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Jonah Hill And Robert De Niro To Fuck With The Wrong Mexican In Rodriguez' MACHETE??
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Bloody Disgusting apparently has a spy embedded with the Robert Rodriguez organization who now offers exciting news of big-deal supporting players joining the filmmaker’s “Machete,” due to start shooting in less than two weeks:
-MICHELLE RODRIGUEZ ("Lost", Fast & Furious, Avatar) is said to be playing "Luz".
-JONAH HILL, the comedian who has starred in such films as Superbad and the forthcoming Adam Sandler comedy Funny People, will play "Julio".
-Lastly, a legend of our time, ROBERT DE NIRO, will take on the role of "Senator McLaughlin".
Is it wrong to be more excited about the casting of Hill (hilarious in Judd Apatow's “Funny People,” due in two weeks!) than that of De Niro?
Danny Trejo's title character was introduced in the "Spy Kids" series, then emigrated to the wondrous fake trailer (above) that served as a component of "Grindhouse."
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-JONAH HILL, the comedian who has starred in such films as Superbad and the forthcoming Adam Sandler comedy Funny People, will play "Julio".
-Lastly, a legend of our time, ROBERT DE NIRO, will take on the role of "Senator McLaughlin".
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Also: this is in Coaxial.
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His best film is still El Mariachi. He's a fan first, a filmmaker second.
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I've been disappointed with his work ever since.
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I know it's a faux-pas to pick a director's most recent film as their best movie but, GODDAMNIT, it has zombies! And gore! And goop! What more do you want? Tons of funny lines galaore, "We're gonna have to lose the leg." "Even daddy?" "Espicially daddy."
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Jul 17, 2009 3:25:04 AM CDT
It's not wrong..his shit looks like a fuckin stuffed animal.
by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby
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Everything > Meet the Parents
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DeNiro maybe isn't even trying to act anymore these days, but just thinking of seeing him in motherfucking MACHETE, gives me a geek boner!
And I only mention Jonah Hill to make sure that he is so untalented and irrelevant, that he just isn't worth to be mentioned, -
be cast as a thick machete? what in the fuck could he possibly contribute?...Btw... "God have mercy...I don't" is Fucking badass.
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For me to be disappointed that Jeff Fahey won't be the Senator? He seemed bang on for that role to me. Then again, De Niro isn't exactly a bad choice. I will never know how Michelle Rodriguez keeps geting roles. She might be a looker but she plays the same miserable bastard character in every role she takes.
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Oh. Too late.
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"A legend of OUR time"? That legend flamed out in 1995. I don't know who that guy is who appeared in all those dire comedies and B-movies since then.
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making these juvenile films, and do something a bit more intelligent? I mean, when El Mariachi came out, he was being lauded as being an exciting new film maker. And quite frankly he just makes crap. The Mariachi sequels, Spy Kids (I'll let him off those ones as they're meant for kids) Planet Terror, The Faculty......and now Machete? And we're supposed to be excited by this? It may work as a jokey trailer, but a whole film?
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Jonah Hill can be in anything he wants to, but DeNiro?! He's a goddamn legend! He should have some sort of quality filter on him. By this point in this career he should do only grade A flicks...
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But the trailers were the best part. Hopefully this one lives up to its fake teaser. Danny Trejo is an intimidating motherfucker.
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Pure & simple. He has absolutely zero talent.
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Rodriguez's talent ran out years ago, and even Trejo can't save this bullshit. I'll probably see it anyway though. I'm weak!
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Jul 17, 2009 4:10:37 AM CDT
DeNiro still makes the worst crap partially watchable
by zikade zarathos
And I don't care if he does SHOWTIME & RIGHTEOUS KILL movies for the rest of his life, for TWENTY YEARS (roughly 1975 - '95) the man was completely untouchable.
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I second that!
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put him in the fucking movie.
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After Bullwinkle....the fucking guy lost his mind. Maybe he has lead and mercury poisoning from all that Nabu Sushi.
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The man was GOLD in Planet Terror.
An overlooked 80ies B-icon.
He can combine cool with corny the likes of Campbell.
PUT HIM IN THE FRIGGIN MOVIE!
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J.T = JEFF FAHEY
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"Machete! The fucking Senator is after you! We need to leave the fucking country, or I'm going to end up eating a motherfucking lead salad like you! I don't like lead, Machete! I don't even like motherfucking salad! Imagine how fucking horrible lead salad would be to me! Fuck, Machete! I don't want motherfucking lead salad!"
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Jonah Hill and DeNiro can go suck each other off for all I care. Nice that Danny Trejo is getting a starring role. Long over due.
Robert Rodriguez may not make the most cerebral movies out there, but every last one of them has been damn fun. I'm jealous of his set up and I wish he were more prolific. -
When I saw him bolt the machine gun onto the bike.
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RR has too many rumors surrounding him nowadays...
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On a more important note: how do you pay with Pay Pal on Mondotees? They claim it can be done, but there's no option to. Help appreciated, mo fos.
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WTF? They're casting real actors for this movie? This is a show for B-movie has-beens and never-was-beens!
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You got him perfect. I liked him in Superbad before I found out that was his only character.
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Thanks :D ---- Yeah, he doesn't even act. He spurts obscenities like a spastic psycho and he thinks he's funny because of it.... He's basically a younger, more rotund version of Will Farrell.
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Lmao...That was awesome.
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I can imagine the fat fucker saying it to a T.
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And yet way funnier than Jonah Hill. He is the only actor who I simply LOATHE. I'm not a guy who gets bent out of shape about actors like some do around here. I'm not a 'hater', as they say. Sure, there are actors I don't much care for. There are actors I plain don't like. But Jonah 'funny as cancer' Hill is in a class of suck all his own. He is not just unfunny. He is NEGATIVE funny. I genuinely hold it against people who think he's talented. They might as well have a neon sign above their heads declaring that they are paint huffing morons who will literally accept anything from comedy, no matter how mediocre or totally charmless and pathetic it is. Jonah Hill is talentless. Shame on our culture for its continued endorsement of his miserable schtick.
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is to be considered a talent then by all means TURN THE CAMERA TOWARDS ME. I'm about a ton less but still...no real difference. The only real difference is Judd Apatow's balls aren't being squeezed in my hands.
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...we used to be taught that it is the sign of a desperate and shallow comedian to resort to yelling and profanity and abuse to get laughs. It was true then, and its true now. It's something they teach thirteen year old kids as a fundamental! How has this guy gotten away with it? Even those who have occasionally resorted to this schtick from time to time have used it more effectively than this dickhead and typically as part of a much larger routine (see Will Ferrel and Chris Farley). Jonah Hill, on the other hand, ruins every scene he is in with his desperate, transparent attention seeking. He sucks all the timing and atmosphere and hard work that other actors are putting into making an interaction work and just makes it all about himself and how loud he can say 'fuck', steamrolling everyone else. I don't know how a guy like Michael Cera can stand to even work with him.
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Jonah Hill squeezes Apatow's hands with his mouth, not his hands :P
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A little Fruedian slip there.... my bad....
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His shtick worked in Knocked Up, but it fails to carry an entire movie, like Superbad.
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...mostly because you are criticizing Jonah Hill.
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She deserves more breaks. And I'm happy this film is finally happening.
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He was the guy who wanted the senator dead. So he'd better be in this fucking movie. Motherfucker carried DARKMAN 3, for Christ's sake.
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According to Harry, all Rodriguez gossip and ideas go through our beloved fat man. Yet, even though Harry sucks and bows at the altar of Rodriguez, AICN still has to get this story from another site just like every other bit of news posted news. Aint it somebody else's news first? Oh, Bobby Deniro. The name alone still evokes images of some of the most powerful, if not the most powerful acting that has ever been captured on film. All I want for Christmas is for Deniro to find his way again. Every once in a great while we get a limmer of hope and he throws us a really good performance in a poorly chosen bad movie. Or he shows he can still pick a good one but phones in the performance. Has any acting career warranted such head scratching as the last twenty years of his? According to legend, it was Deniro who "found" Dicaprio for This Boy's Life and they got along incredibly. Now that Dicaprio has provided Scorcese with a much needed late career resurrection and a new muse, why not get him and Deniro on a Marty movie together? I don;t know if Deniro got to feeling it was just more of the same after the one-two punch of Goodfellas and Casino, but Marty has really spread his wings in the last fifteen years and made different films. Maybe they just got complacent with each other, I don;t know. Enough time has gone by that each other's company should feel fresh to them on a set, though. All I know is I want my Bobby Deniro back! I want him back now! If this is true, the Machete thing will be cool but instantly forgotten.
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he proabably senses that he's gonna be the next Rob (stapler, carrot,dubadubadernt, kenny) Schneider. Y'know, barely passable as a human let alone a funny comedic actor with A-lister's for friends. This is probably a pathetic attempt to branch-out.
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Jul 17, 2009 6:22:42 AM CDT
"All I want for Christmas is for Deniro to find his way again...
by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby
Well, I remember reading awhile back Scorsese was suppose to do a movie entitled "I heard you paint houses" with Deniro. Idk if that's still in development or whatever. Also, rumor that Scorsese was gonna do a Departed sequel with Deniro as a crooked politician or something along the lines. That sounds like it could be kick-ass but only if he comes back to do it. Martin Scorsese never did a sequel...you never know.
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I was waiting for the voice overs to end and the real movie to start....and second now.....maybe in the 2nd act.......ok maybe at the climax....man I was robbed. and people bitch about the Blade Runner voice over.
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...I wish Harrison Ford would've done that more often.
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when it comes to Marty and his crime/drama...
Mean Streets- His foot in the door
Goodfellas- Substance at his best
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I don't believe Deniro will even be in this flick.....I'll shut up now.
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with DeNiro it seems unlikely it be a DTV movie as all the stories were indicating. and whats this about the character originating in Spy Kids? you're telling Trejo's nice scientist uncle from Spy Kids is supposed to be Machette?
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Wow you super hip talkbackers are soo cool. Every single one of you came in your pants when this trailer was shown and now that the movie is being made you have to shit all over it to keep your cred...so sad.
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I will be fucking disappointed if the movie isn't exactly like that.
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when he totally asshole'd out and came out to the fan forum wearing dark shades and sucked his own dick about what kick ass film-makers he and Rodriguez were and was his typical overly-high-on-his-own-farts douchebag self, that he wanted he and RR to make trailers in front of GRINDHOUSE that were soooo good that the fans would "make" he and Rodriguez make these movies. I guess only MACHETE made the cut, eh? The assassin who gets the switcheroo on him plot device has been done before a few times in Hollywood, recently in Marky Mark's SHOOTER (a very under-rated movie IMO). I guess with Rodriguez, like he admits in the same interview, he likes pulling the trick of making the tired formula Latino (or putting it in Spanish in the case of El Mariachi) and magic magic, you convince everyone this old bromide is suddenly an edgy "art house film." Ole'! Ole'! Ole'!
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And then eat taco bell.
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Danny Trejo's character's name in Spy Kids is Machette. It would be awesome to see his brother, Antonio Banderas' Gregorio, make the Grindhouse leap also.
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The guys that made that released Treevenge recently. Pretty cool short.http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/07/13/watch-this-treevenge/
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I won't believe this story til Harry confirms it.
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but De Niro took it to a whole other level... sure, he hasn't made a great film since 95'(Heat), and hasn't even made a really good one since 97'(Wag the Dog), but this man is still a fucking national treasure, with a body of work (1973-1997) that will never, EVER be topped. Maybe this movie, along with other 'rumored' projects: 'Frankie Machine' (Michael Mann)and 'I Heard You Paint Houses' (Martin Scorsese) will finally, FINALLY give him the John Elway swan song he deserves...
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He's might play every other emmotion to the "T" but the dude can't cry real. Until he can he will never be the greatest actor alive. Acting is about portraying emmotions in a convincing manner. If you are a master you can do all of the emmotions. Bobby can't do that. He needs to buy a shitload of dogs and run them over or something.
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I love how everyone's calling out Jonah Hill for being a one-trick pony (and I agree), but no one is calling bullshit on Michelle Rodriguez? She is the same damned character in everything she's ever done, from Blue Crush to Lost.
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That was a pretty fucking good impression.
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"Where's my wife and daughter?"
Salma for the wife.
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De Niro earned his lifetime pass on THE DEER HUNTER. No dissing that man pls.
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Watch the transition in "Once Upon A Time In America" where an aged "Noodles" stares through the peephole in the toilet. Tears welling in his eyes as he "looks" into his past.Then come back and tell me he can't portray emotions in a convincing manner.The guy is/was a master, at his best he can convey more emotion in a wordless look than most actors can in an entire film.
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Didn't De Niro cry in THE DEER HUNTER, after running naked down the street following the wedding party?
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he's too much of a living legend.
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De Niro's the Greatest... but, fuck, you're right. The man can't cry. There's no getting around that. I watched The Mission again the other night, and his crying scene was damn near painful to watch (for all the wrong reasons)... Goodfellas (when buddy Tommy gets whacked) also comes to mind....
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the man is such a badd-ass, he can't cry real tears...
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De Niro has cried in quite a few films, and done so convincingly, and appropriately for each character.I think some people just have the image of De Niro's over-the-top crying from "Analyze This" stuck in their heads. Then again even that suited the tone of the film, as it was meant to look silly.
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and he's retarded, more retarded than ScarJo
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Well thats being very loose with the term.
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De Niro is the best... ever. No one else even comes close. Sure, Brando, Pacino, Nicholson, Day-Lewis, Hackman had all had their moments, but none reached the heights of De Niro. That said, the man can't cry!
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until I saw Showtime. Talk about falling from grace. If he earned a lifetime pass for any of his classics...he voided it with some of the shit he's made the last 10 years and it's not just "for fun" shit...it's total garbage that 1970s DeNiro wouldn't wipe his ass with. There's only so many freebies we can give the man.
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Unless Fahey refused this role it is a slap in the face to him.
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Why hasn't Fahey been cast?? Fuck De Niro.
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DeNiro is playing the senator that Jeff Fahey's character paid Machete to assassinate. So don't worry...
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That crappy little steel town in the movie is Migo Jct. Ohio. My mom was a bartender in Welshes. My dad worked alongside DeNiro in the mill before they started fiming. It was my first introduction to film at the age of 5, being on the set when the rolled tha Caddy with the deer on the front in front of the bar.
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Jeff Fahey should be playing the senator like he did in the trailer. This report sounds kinda odd to be true.
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Gonna have to agree to disagree. The scene I mentioned earlier from "Once Upon A Time In America" is one of the most moving crying scenes I've ever witnessed. You can then contrast that with his freak-out in the jail scene in "Raging Bull". Both on opposite sides of the crying range. One subtle, one over-the-top, both entirely appropriate to the charters he was playing.
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I don't believe De Niro portrayed an 'emotionally stunted boy' in that movie!? What the fuck movie did you watch? His character, like the theme of the whole goddamned movie (save for the Pesci character), was a regular sort of dude, who just so happened to be a gangster... he was a loyal friend, a good provider for his family, etc., who just so happened to whack guys from time to time when they got out of line. In other words, he could have just as easily been a construction worker, a dentist, whatthefuckever. And when his best friend dies, his character DID cry, but the actor COULDN'T.
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CONSPIRACY THEORY 241c: 'ROBERT DE NIRO CANNOT CRY'.
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Actual 'tears' have to be in evidence.
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Amazing.
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Not quite sure where people are coming from with hating on the guy. I think he's a shit actor, I think he's unfunny. But hating him is a bit strong, he's making a living for himself, he's a fat doofus who's probably - due to his 'fame' - getting to screw a lot of much hotter chicks than most of us ever will and if he isn't rich already, he's certainly on his way to it. Good luck to him I say. I don't watch any movies anymore where he's anything but a minor character, Superbad was enough for me to see I don't want to see the guy as a main character in movies, but it's hardly a hardship to avoid watching him. So why all the venom? Sounds like he's a geek made good. I can't stand Scarlett Johannson in films either, she's a bloody awful actress - so I just avoid her films for the most part. I don't 'hate' her. Simples, yes?
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...you weren't paying attention, were you? De Niro has been cast (according to this) as the *Senator*. In the Machete trailer, Jeff Fahey plays the bad guy who hires Machete to *kill* the Senator before double crossing him. Whether Fahey is in or not I can't say (it would be awesome if he was) but either way he's not being replaced by De Niro you muppets.
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...and yet there are still retards whining about it.
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I mean he only got famous because of Chris Farley. By that I mean this. Seeing that Seth Rogan was getting famous quite fast and was of a hefty size, people probably worried that he was going to OD on drugs like most big comedies do. So they made Johan Hill famous as a back up. Well looks like Rogan got the surgery and is not going to balloon up. Unlike Hill, so the plan may have back fired.
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Rock & Bullwinkle was a low point in his career. And about average for Rene Russo & Jason Alexander. ;-)
I think that the real question remains, "Will this still be Direct-to-DVD or not?" I don't think that DeNiro, bad taste and all, has gotten down to that level yet. This must be a theatrical release now. -
Yeah he does. Does it come with a paycheck? Do I have to try? No. Ok I'm in.
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and that's Piper Perabo. I have thing for that woman and I don't know why
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was Sacha Baron Cohen's disciple in Bruno. Sure, playing his one role over and over again is going to get him a lot of shit, but that's payday, while he studies with one of the best. Most people in his position would just drown in coke and whores.
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So what ever happened to Chuck Aspegren? Is he still alive, and did he always say "f---in' A!" in real life?
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stop hating on everything...yes, this film will probably not be as good as the trailer because thats what made the trailer so good in the first place..they prety much whittled down a 90 mintute opus into 90 seconds and streamlined the plot and gave us all the bang and sex and hey wait..didnt they make this film already---SHOOTER.
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Did anyone else notice Danny Glover was having a really hard time with his false teeth in that film? He sounded like Daffy Duck throughout the whole thing!
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Flawless - 1999
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i bet mooney on it.Unless its a 10-20 second cameo-like george clooney did in ALL the Spy Kid's films.And,I like Jonah Hill-I loved superbad-he was pretty funny there.And offly-He was the ONLY FUNNY part of Night of the museum 2:Cash grab.I thought they were filming this shit already! If this gets thetrical-IM THERE! good or bad!I PRAY they make it look like a 70's movie.
And EXTREMELY SIDE NOTE-me and my friend saw him in Coral Gables about 2 weeks ago-and he was getting trashed at a bar-but god bless Danny Trejo..he was plugging 2 films(direct to dvd variety)...and he was mad cool. -
...and he can't even string a sentence together.
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But I would expect no less from the Apatow dick-sucking staff of this site. De Niro may be long past his best, but he's still not even on the same planet acting-wise as a fat, shrieking man-child like Jonah Hill. Nothing really against Hill, or Seth Rogen, or any of those other guys, but they are one-note personalities, not actors - and barely personalities at that.And fuck anyone who disses Casino; that movie was extremely underrated. The last great Scorsese movie, and far better than the sloppy 'The Departed'.
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Jul 17, 2009 9:42:55 AM CDT
ROBERT DENIRO, MACHETE AND MICHELLE RODRIGUEZ….
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Firstly, DENIRO IS A FUCKING LEGEND and I doubt that we’ll ever see another actor as brilliant as him in our lifetime but then you also have to remember that DeNiro’s rise as America’s Greatest Living Actor™ was tied to the cinematic revolution of the 1970’s which gave people who were essentially characters actors a shot at playing lead roles which is why that era was the greatest in North American cinema history. The problem isn’t DeNiro, it’s that we live in the year 2009 and Corporate Hollywood doesn’t have any interest what-so-ever in even trying to make movies as good as they did back then because the people who run those studio’s are Wall Street scum who’s only goal is to raise the stock value and don’t have a creative bone in their bodies. This is why they only greenlight remakes while every other movie is based on an old TV show, cartoon or comic book. The studio’s aren’t interested in innovation otherwise DeNiro might have spent the last decade starring in some modern classics instead of making infantile shit such as Rocky and Bullwinkle and Meet The Parents. I really wish that the would do Grindhouse 2 : Machete/Thanksgiving and I would have hoped that Jeff Fahey would have stayed on as the senator because I’ve always though he was a fantastic actor ever since I first saw him in Psycho 3 back in 86. I really don’t understand how this guy never took off? He’s got the looks and he’s a damm good actor while a one note midget cretin like Tom Cruise becomes a player?!? I’m really fucking tired of Michelle Rodriguez. Her entire repertoire as an “actor” consists of being a miserable looking, stone faced sour bitch and I really wish that people would stop casting her.
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DeNiro is overrated though
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Jonah Hill, however, needs to stop eating pounds of lard every day. I saw him on Letterman (homey was high off his ass, btw) and my God was he uncomfortably fat. He's gotta be 300 lbs now. At least. Fucking shame he chose the Chris Farley door of comedy careers. Prepare your eulogies now, save time.
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Jul 17, 2009 10:05:58 AM CDT
Oh, and I am a pretty loyal DeNiro fan and I admit he's overrate
by yackbacker
He is very talented, no doubt- but honestly, when has he gone beyond being "Robert DeNiro" in a role? He's like Humphrey Bogart- he's his own character. DeNiro never transforms himself the way Daniel Day Lewis or Sean Penn manage. It's not a knock against DeNiro in a serious sense, he does his parts extremely well, but he's always listed in the top 5 actors out there and it's kind of overkill. And while we're on the topic, Tom Hanks sucks.
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nuff said benito.Don't hate on Hill, he's funny.Obviously, you're not.
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And I agree with the earlier post-make HOBO with A SHOTGUN.That preview was pretty cool
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Jul 17, 2009 10:24:59 AM CDT
that wife and daughter moment is just so fucking wrong..
by famouseccles
.. which is probably why it's so fucking awesome!!!
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I love your name BUT you are way off base on GoodFellas. The theme wasn't that these were just regular guys, family guys and providers, who just happened to whack guys, it was a film about people who were completely devoid of morality. Scorsese pretty says so on the commentary, saying that they were men who were spiritually lacking. Their wives would claim they were just providing, and they would claim they had honor, but in truth they were a bunch of murderous bastards.
As Scorsese and Pileggi also point out in the commentary, when you look at the family photos of friends on vacation, usually someone in the photo was whacked by someone else in the photo. These guys were always double-crossing each other. Their code of honor was just a sham which they never lived by. Henry Hill himself says that Jimmy didn't like sharing, and the only reason he was safe is because he didn't ask for much of the Luffhansa heist money and because Jimmy was making money from his cocaine connections. Jimmy sure had no problem whacking any of the other guys, including long time friends like Anthony Carbone.
And why did he cry when Tommy got whacked? Because Jimmy could never get made, but Tommy, someone he had long been associated with and worked with, could. It was the closest Jimmy ever was to getting made. Yes Tommy was his friend, but Jimmy cried when he heard Tommy was dead because he felt denied. They had just fucked over his shot at becoming a made man. -
Why should we be more excited about Hill than De Niro? That has got to be one of the strangest observations in a long time.
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What's with all the Jew froed fat bastards that have been polluting our screens as of late?
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...he needs to try a new character. "Fat guy who cusses a lot" will only get you so far.
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Jul 17, 2009 10:56:11 AM CDT
DENIRO ISN’T A CAMILLION LIKE DAY LEWIS BUT…
by charlesthomasmathews1978
The man was in The Godfather Part 2, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and Goodfellas, four of the greatest films of ALL FUCKING TIME and even though he might not have disappeared into the roles, you can’t deny the power of those performances
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Jul 17, 2009 10:59:07 AM CDT
YackBacker, CHRIS FARLEY WAS FUNNY AND I STILL MISS HIM BUT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Jonah Hill does nothing for me and when he dies I doubt that anyone will care.
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and not a Mexi-can't.
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Jul 17, 2009 11:05:31 AM CDT
YEAH, I MISS SPELLED CHAMELEON, MY BAD.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I just finished at the gym and I'm feeling a bit light headed.
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seriously
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Sorry, but he's one of the greatest American actors ever and has done enough great work to earn untouchable status. That doesn't mean you can't criticize him when he does shit like bullwinkle, but it does mean you can't call him overrated.
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I've been waiting for years for that fat, annoying, Seth Rogen-wannabe to be put out of my misery! >:( Have DeNiro and Machete tag team him in a dirty Mexican alley interspliced with shots of children smacking a piñata of a burro.
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Pretty please?? I want machetes and Gatling guns thrusting out at me!!
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What could be worse?Paul "Death Race" Anderson and Corey Haim maybe?
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I wish this was coming out this summer... I cant think of a summer I've been THIS uninterested in going to the movies... Trejo, DeNiro, Michelle Rodriguo... I'll be at the theater TOMORROW...
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I mean, he's like the funny kid in school. And when he's in movies, I get a chuckle from him. But you must freebasing embalming fluid to even mention him in the same breath as DeNiro despite all the crap Bobby has churned out in the last few years. Jesus christ.
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there are no Generation Next DeNiros and I doubt there ever will be. The actors of DeNiros generation topped what Marlon Brando began and brought it to its fruition, but where do you go from there.
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Any negative opinion concerning the man is ignored as blasphemy...
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He's Generation X, my generation. But, he is great. For Fear and Loathing alone.
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nuff said!
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This overexposed fatass tard is seriously getting old.
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tom hanks is a fantastic actor. does he have the range of a daniel day lewis? maybe not, but can daniel day lewis do comedy. not sure. haven't seen any comedies from him. tom hanks made the burbs and joe the volcanoe watchable movies. drop day lewis into those movies and tell me it would be watchable.
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Depp is a star, not an actor. I'm not saying he can't act, but he is much more of a screen presence than he is an actor. Sure he can create memorable characters, but how often can he do that unless the characters are way over the top to begin with? Put Depp in a movie where he has to play a "real" person and he just isn't that interesting.
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I can't imagine Daniel Day Lewis in Bachelor Party.
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can day lewis play opposite a volleyball and make it entertaining to watch. not sure but i'm pretty sure the answer would be no.
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what about CLIFTON COLLINS Jr-he's a good NEXT GERNATION actor,
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Sorry, but he was bad in CITY BY THE SEA and I found nothing impressive about his work in DANGEROUS KILL. These are his bread and butter movies too, the ones where you should be thinking "I just saw a fucking Bobby D movie!" Lately, he's been morose and squinty-eyed... in every.fucking.movie.
Look, Marlon Brando did some shit work towards the end of his life, but nobody can take away his legendary roles from the start of his career. Same thing applies to De Niro- he did magnificent, dangerous, courageous work starting out but now he's a fucking characature. The last thing De Niro has done that made me go "Wow" was CAPE FEAR. That was 1991. 18 years ago. Wake up, folks. -
Tell that to Cary Grant!
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He doesn't have the cool factor that DeNiro had. Also, as Continent points out, Day Lewis is not funny, while DeNiro is quite successful as a comedic actor: Midnight Run, Meet the Parents.
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he was kinda good in JACKIE BROWN...I thought.That was a lil stretch for him.
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He was fuming anger in GANGS and he was pretty fucking complex in BLOOD DIAMOND. And he plays the light material well too, like CATCH ME IF YOU CAN.
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Just saying...
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At least four times.
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Seriously, I don't understand how that term applies to an actor's talent.
If you watch THERE WILL BE BLOOD, Day-Lewis is a fucking master of the craft. The scene by the fire when he talks to his "brother" is such a perfect piece of acting. The guy eats up every scene without being a ham. At his best, Day-Lewis might be one of the best ever. -
And Russell Crowe, even though they're older (they're both 25-30 years younger than De Niro).
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a film more quotable than JAWS...
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of tom hanks ability as an actor. it seemed that he was playing it for laughs but as the movie progressed hanks gave that charactor a tremendous amount of gravitas. i'm sure there are gump haters out there but the scene with him at jenny's grave was some fine acting in my opinion.
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I think Hanks in "Philadelphia" was better than in "Gump."
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Shame on you, Herc. Shame on you.
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And that bullshit floating feather, and FORREST GUMP is exposed as the maudlin, manipulative tripe that it is, on the level of TITANIC. Hanks isn't a bad actor (I disagree with some of the folks who are outright trashing him) but he isn't a great actor either. If I were defending his work, I would cite PHILADELPHIA before GUMP... as a suggestion.
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Even DiNiro? Christ, this place is just a bitchfest lol....
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oh yeah!
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Jul 17, 2009 12:03:27 PM CDT
Why Generation X is not the next DeNiro or Pacino Generation
by continentalop
Those guys aren't getting their start in great character studies. I mean Pacino's got noticed in Panic in Needle Park, DeNiro's was discovered in Greetings, Hi Mom, and then he did Bang the Drum Slowly before doing Mean Streets.
Hell add in Jack Nicholson who did a bunch of Corman movies before getting discovered by main stream audiences in Easy Rider, Dustin Hoffman with the Graduate, John Voight with Midnight Cowboy, Gene Hackman thanks to his role in Bonnie & Clyde, etc. These guys got famous BECAUSE of their acting and despite their looks. There were guys who were better looking than them, but these guys were the best actors of their generation. Fuck they had to be to overcome the fact that some of them were Hollywood ugly.
Now compare that to the leading men of Generation X. Leo, Depp, Bale, Damon, Norton - all of those guys got discovered and famous by playing in much more mainstream roles. They were cast because they were heart throbs or looked good or were you expect to see an actor who looks like a star. So I really believe that the best actors of this generation aren't necessarily the ones who are the big name stars - they are just the ones who are getting through the door and getting all the parts.
Sure Generation X also has actors like Philip Seymour Hoffman, Paul Giamatti, Billy Bob Thornton, John C. Reilly, etc. But none of those guys are really a big enough name to be the lead in a major Hollywood film (unlike Jack in Chinatown or Hoffman in Little Big Man or Marathon Man) and for every one of those guys nowadays we had a Robert Duvall, John Cazale, Harvey Kietel, Peter Boyle, etc. back in the New Hollywood days. -
Jul 17, 2009 12:04:58 PM CDT
In defense of Russell Crowe: THE INSIDER, A BEAUTIFUL MIND
by yackbacker
L.A. CONFIDENTIAL, MASTER AND COMMANDER and AMERICAN GANGSTER- the guy is a talented actor. A fucking legit movie star that does better work than Tom Hanks, that's for sure.
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You're right. Back in the good ol' days, you had average-looking guys who acted their way into stardom. Now it seems, they do it backwards. Young good-looking guys get into movies, and then start to look for roles where they can "act" long after they've been established: Pitt in "Babel," Cruise in "Born on the 4th of July," etc.
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Remember, Paramount Pictures wanted Robert Reford to play Michael Corleone in THE GODFATHER. Coppola insisted on Pacino, over the studio's objections. And without Scorsese, there is no De Niro, trust me. Sometimes it takes a director or producer with brass ones to make the right choice. Hollywood has always been about the pretty face, trust me. Nothing has changed with this generation at all. All the handsome folks always got the lion's share of work going all the way back to the start.
Now, I think a bigger factor in the disparity of talent we notice isn't about the glitz, but rather reflective of our society in general. We're a softer bunch of people than 30 years ago. We are air-conditioned, iPhone-using softies. We gotta go to a third world country to find a real hard-ass motherfucker to star in our movies now. We Americans have become pussies in general. -
This place is a bitchathon... Look I'm not a fan of DeNiro's recent work (last movie I enjoyed was Casino I think) but he's done too much great work to be treated like he's a hack... Same for Pacino...
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I remember seeing something about how the real men in acting are people like Russell Crowe and Christian Bale. Hell, even Cameron said that he chose Sam Worthington for "Avatar" because "they grow them differently down there." Kee-rist! Where's our next Eastwood?
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He can be a chameleon in his roles (INSIDER), he can be light-hearted when it calls for it (the "lesser of two weevils" bit from MASTER & COMMANDER) and he can play a guy coming apart with the best of them (A BEAUTIFUL MIND). I never watched him in a role and thought "This guy is not believable." Quite the contrary. If you don't like his presence, that's one thing, but if you're saying he's not talented, that's a stretch.
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Jul 17, 2009 12:19:49 PM CDT
Blue_Demon- yeah the masculine leading men are all Aussies
by yackbacker
Or Englishmen. We have Brad Pitt and Matt Damon. Wow. We're screwed.
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Just because DeNiro was in it. He was even great in The Fan which was otherwise a POS.
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Were not cast originally because the weren't lookers? 21-Jump street and Legends of the Fall?
And yes I don't hold it against them that they live in an age were people expect the guys on the screen to be good-looking - it isn't there fault - but I also realize that the guys making it are not necessarily the best actors out there. Or guys who would have been great screen actors are even trying out for parts (maybe they are staying on Broadway or doing theatre?).
But to say there isn't a huge disparity in the quality of work and acting level between a DeNiro, Pacino, Nicholson, Hoffman, Hackman, etc. vs. the Generation X actors is absurd. Depp is his best day has yet to do a performance as powerful as Pacino's first six movies of the 70s - Panic in Needle Park, The Godfather I &II, Scarecrows, Dog Day Afternoon, Serpico, And Depp is constantly mentioned as one of the best actors of Generation X.
Now once again, Depp is a good star. Compared to most handsome actor types he can really act, and he is great at creating these larger than life characters (like Jack Sparrow). But he isn't able to do the nuances and subtle things that the guys back then could do, and I also think that if an ugly actor without the rock star presence of Depp tried to do Cap'n Jack audiences would have rejected him. -
Heh.
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I mean listen to the debates over that one- some folks are even thinking of Jon Cena. America is fucking soft! It's a damned shame... Paul Walker is not Cap. Matt Damon is NOT Cap. Fucking balls...
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I'm sure of it.
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Imagine if the New Hollywood movement wasn't filled by directors and producers who didn't want to revolt against the old studio system. I like Redford, but him as Michael Corleone? Or casting Redford in the Graduate (which he was originally slated to star in)?
There are probably a bunch of really talented actors out there who are not getting there shot because they are not considered "star quality". And that is what made the 70s and that generation great - they got actors first and then these guys went out and became starts, not the other way around. -
I wasn't crazy about it the first time I saw it, thought it was just okay. But I caught it again on the tube, and for whatever reason, I found the whole movie and acting so much better the second time around.Hell, I also love Gladiator, 3:10 to Yuma, and I even have a soft spot for A Good Year. Yup, I do.
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Jul 17, 2009 12:25:26 PM CDT
Oh and hats off to you all for NOT mentioning Colin Farrell
by yackbacker
That guy sucks a fat one- literally. Ask Kevin Spacey.
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Problem solved! Cap: First Blood.
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Suddenly I'm not as depressed!
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while Damon and Pitt pick out his wardrobe.
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Jul 17, 2009 12:30:01 PM CDT
the lack of an American actor who has the "presence"
by just pillow talk
is part of the reason why AMC is so good. They play tons of Eastwood movies, plus classics like the Dirty Dozen, James Cagney movies. I've become quite hooked recently now that I don't have some movie channels I did before.
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I mean there are tons of books on this subject. For a various bunch of reasons- post-Vietnam, post-Watergate, post-MLKJr, post-assassinations, etc.- this country was in one crazy fucking mood... schizo really. And so you had the counter-culture movement, but then you had this updated version of film-noir, with gritty dramas/thrillers, you had the horror genre Renaissance, the sci-fi movie Renaissance... and you ahd some of the best auteurs all come up around the same time.
I am in fucking awe over the 70s. I try to see revivals of films from that era whenever possible. I saw SERPICO a few years back on the big screen- holy shit was that awesome. And of course, THE EXORCIST was re-released back in 2001. We need more revivials... home theaters are great and all but nothing beats a real movie house. -
Major oversight, Brolin is dope.
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They do play some not-so-classic films on that network a lot- STAR TREK: NEMESIS being one of them. Fuckers.
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But I think the good far outweighs the bad that they play. They had a Carey Grant flick on early this morning...Only Angels have Wings. I never saw it, but it wasn't bad. The effects on the plane crash at the end I thought were pretty damn good for the time.
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The reason we lack really good tough guy actors is because of two things: WWII and the GI Bill.
After WWII you had all these guys get into acting you probably never would have thanks to the GI Bill: Jack Palance, Charles Bronson, Charles Durning, Neville Brand, Lee Marvin, etc. These guys had tough lives and you could see it on their faces, and now the theatre doors were finally opening up for guys like that.
Since then there has always been some guys who have gone from the military to acting (Garner, McQueen, Eastwood, Hackman), but as the military has become more of a full time profession less and less people have made the transitions. Which is why now all of our American "tough guys" nowadays seem more like body builders than they do authentic soldiers or cowboy types. -
Jul 17, 2009 12:41:21 PM CDT
yeah, that sounds like a pretty legit explanation to me
by just pillow talk
No one seems to carry that baggage, that going through the shit, anymore. If anyone does, it certainly doesn't transfer itself on screen nowadays. And I like Denzel, a lot. Just watched Training Day again, and I do like him a lot in that role.
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I'll grant you the determination that De Niro is a level above Crowe- that's not at issue. As for Denzel, he's a great actor, but he's not really gone beyond being Denzel. I think his best role recently was INSIDE MAN- but he was also fucking solid in HE GOT GAME. Actually, HE GOT GAME might be his best work. I didn't love him in MALCOLM X like so many others have said in recent years. And he was also truly moving in THE HURRICANE.
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Jul 17, 2009 12:47:49 PM CDT
Subtitles Off, I'm not diminishing an entire generation
by continentalop
Just the ones who are the considered leading me. There is a bunch of really good actors, but they are almost always pushed to playing supporting roles. The supposed leading men and vanguard of American Generation X actors are the ones I find lacking.
Seriously, line up the names of Gen X. actors who are leading men and then line up the New Hollywood Generation of Leading Men and see which is deeper in talent. Sure Gen. X has guys with talent, but not nearly the depth. Hell, even their handsome actor types like Warren Beatty and Redford were actually pretty good actors in that Generation.
And yes it is unfortunate that we make Giant Robot movies nowadays instead of Dog Day and Five Easy Pieces, but when I attack the actors I am also attacking the industry and the audience - maybe they should demand a little more challenging and expect our actors to do more than just point at a blank spot on a green screen. -
Jul 17, 2009 12:48:37 PM CDT
Subtitles_Off, word my friend- this is TB heaven right here
by yackbacker
Something Don Murphy and his retard stooges don't have the brain-power to understand because they're too busy praising racist robots.
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But he doesn't get as many chances to show it. And when he does it usually is in an inferior product.
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That despite how bad DeNiro has been lately he and his generation of actors are still infinitely more interesting than RR.
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That's the mark of a great actor- that he carried that whole mess on his back and made it worthwhile. Wow, just looking at the Oscar nominations that year- you had Denzel for HURRICANE, Crowe for THE INSIDER, Penn for SWEET AND LOWDOWN (awesome movie), Richard Farnsworth for THE STRAIGHT STORY and Spacey for AMERICAN BEAUTY (he won). Wow, that was a tough year.
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But I want to reiterate that Hackman is the fucking man. If I could be any character from a film for a day, aside from a porn star, it would be Gene Hackman as Popeye Doyle in THE FRENCH CONNECTION.
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Sure he did schlock like the Poseidon Adventure, but the man did some really interesting work - both character studies and studio pictures.
The Hunting Party, The French Connection I & II, Prime Cut, Cisco Pike, Scarecrow, Young Frankenstein, The Conversation, Night Moves, Bite the Bullet, A Bridge Too Far, and Superman I & II.
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to the Generation X pretty boy actors, as far as leading men go. Paul Giamatti too, but I don't consider him a leading man.
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I didn't, but my friend keeps telling me to rent it.
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He's a pretty boy for sure, but the guy has done some good work- TRAINING DAY, GATTACA, HAMLET... not a huge list of winners, but he's definitely a solid performer.
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Man that was a twisted little thriller. Melanie Griffith was all sorts of Lolita-ish in it too. Wowzers, definitely "interesting" as C-lop would say.
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It's a perfect film. "The duck of death?"
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But I never get around to tracking it down. I'm not a huge Nicholas Roeg fan, but I have heard good things about it.
Night Moves - brilliant movie (and it has a young Melanie Griffith AND James Woods). It is part of that quartet of Hollywood Revisionism Detective movies that are so awesome: Chinatown, Hickey & Boggs, Night Moves and Klute. -
I just like him in general, things like Narrow Margin, The Package...had to see them because he was in it.And while you can say he has one of the lesser parts in A Bridge Too Far (fucking one of the best War movies ever made), he was great in it.
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"We all got it coming, kid."
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I say that as a former fan. I worshipped the guy. Him & Pacino.
Machete is kinda cool, but not his level. If people like him & Pacino just wanna rest on their laurels, take the money & turn up in shit (Pacino being the worst offender-a Mathew MCconeheyeyeyeye movie? Fuck that!), then why should I give a shit? -
Jul 17, 2009 1:20:24 PM CDT
Shit. Hollywood QUINTET of Revisionist Detective movies
by continentalop
I forgot THE LONG GOODBYE.
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in Before the Devil Knows Your Dead, but I say he's crazy. (Same friend who recommends Eureka.)
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Someone up there mentioned that Deniro didn't have the chameleon-like ability that Daniel Day Lewis has; I beg to differ. Deniro set the bar for absorbing roles, he was the originator of chameleon acting for the modern era. Day Lewis has upped the ante a little bit, but only because his eccentricities are3 borderline insane. It's just in the middle age crisis of his career (post Scorsese) that he has just succumbed to playing Deniro playing a character. Sit back and think about it, really think about it. Think about how many great performances he's put out and you don;t even realize consciously until halfway through the film that it's Gary Oldman. You know it is, but you just don;t see him, you don't realize it. That is mark of one fucking great actor, yet it's also a burden and the reason he doesn;t get mentioned in these conversations barely ever. It's ironic that Oldman is such a great actor that he disappears so deeply into a role that he so he doesn't get recoginized for it. am I way off the mark here? Is Deniro untouchable is also a question that keeps getting debated on this board. Was he? Abso-fucking-lutely!! Has he worn down that status in the last 20 years to the point that now he is not only touchable but has been dethroned? Yes!! Look, Deniro is my favorite actor by far....by far! For two decades he did something on screen that had never been done before and hasn't been done since as well. But all of that goodwill has worn off and he just doesn't seem hungry or heartfelt in any way anymore. He's not intense anymore, he's not sincere anymore, and I can;t say for sure if he is even a great actor anymore because he hasn;t acted at a Deniro level for a long time. What was the last great performance? Bronx Tale? Casino? Heat? These are all by rights, old movies now. I'm waiting patiently for Deniro to come back, but the wait has dragged on for some time. The one consolation is we have an incredible new generation or two of fantastic actors that pattern themselves in some ways after Deniro. Guys that have taken a little bit from him and added it to the little bits they've taken from the other giants. Sadly, they are all found wanting when compared to the man in his prime. Too bad it seems he burned out.
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No one can dissapear into a role like Gary Oldman, though. No one at all. You can be watching a movie knowing that you're watching Oldman and not actually realize until an hour in that you're watching Gary Oldman. Unfortunately, his ability to absorb a character may work against him in these kinds of discussions cuz you don't think of any of his performances as Gary Oldman performances. When it comes to him, you really just think about and remember the characters because Oldman disappears from the screen and all you're left to watch is his creation. Incredible actor.
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And I stand by my statement. Look at the range Bardem and Day Lewis have exhibited (Bardem from THE SEA INSIDE to NO COUNTRY, Day Lewis from MY LEFT FOOT to THERE WILL BE BLOOD). Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying De Niro is shit, quite the contrary- he's very diverse, but you can see "him" in every role he's in more or less. Well, actually there's two versions of De Niro that have slowely merged over the years- the wiseguy/psycho and the socially retarded mope. Now, we have the wiseguy mope.
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Before him you had guys in shape, but they never looked or felt like really boxers or athletes. DeNiro brought that insane level of physically altering yourself so you fit a part. Since then Tom Hanks, Christian Bale, Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Russell Crowe and even Charlize Theron have all followed his lead.
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Jul 17, 2009 1:29:10 PM CDT
Gary Oldman, I know you're reading this talkback- I'm sorry
by yackbacker
I'm so fucking sorry I overlooked you before. You're the cats pajamas, dude.
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Not a brilliant movie, but a highly watchable flick that I've always enjoyed. De Niro did good work there- be it a bit overacted in parts. C-lop, your mention of Charlize brought this flick back on my radar.
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Because even though I love his performance in Ed Wood, it is can never be compared to Robert DeNiro as Jake LaMotto. That is one of the THE revolutionary performances, up there with Cagney and Robinson for bringing characterization to film; Fonda in Grapes of Wrath for bringing naturalism; Brando in Streetcar named Desire for introducing method acting and bringing internal characterization instead of external; and Robert DeNiro for bringing physicality. Depp is good in Ed Wood but it isn't a historic performance.
And once again, I think their are a lot of good actors in todays generation, but they are not getting the parts. Can you find them if you are looking for them? Sure, but that means the are not part of the major names of their generation.
The DeNiro generation put acting and art before looks and image. It is as simple as that. And like I said, I don't fault todays leading men, but they also have to realize that they became stars in a day-and-age when a Gene Hackman or even a Lee Marvin never would have been let in the door. Movies like Dog Day Afternoon, Taxi Driver or The Last Detail would be considered rare art house films - back in the 70s those were the "mainstream" and played at the same theaters that showed the Poseidon Adventure and Towering Inferno.
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Exhibitors demand the calendar of constant new releases to pack their stadium-seating screening rooms. Movies are not given a long shelf-life. I wanted to go see UP this weekend (haven't seen it yet) and it's not playing anywhere near me past a matinee showing. That movie came out 2 months ago, right?
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You know when you watch a movie and the actor does something that takes you out of it? That is with me and physicality. When I watch a film and an actor is supposed to be a baseball player but can't throw even as good as girl - I'm right out of the picture.
And even when guys do get in good shape I can tell if they aren't quite right. Bale as Batman, yes he has a six pack but if he is supposed to be knocking guys out with one punch he needs to add 10-15lbs, He needs to be built like a light heavy-weight in the UFC. The force of a punch is acceleration x mass. If Bale is trying to win by scoring points, he looks fine, but if he is supposed to be knocking guys out, he is still to skinny.
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Granted, I've only seen him in LAST OF THE MOHICANS and THERE WILL BE BLOOD.
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The guy is trained in martial arts. He's also wearing body armor. Mass is less of an issue if you have your technique down. It's realistic enough that he knocks people out w/ a punch. Much more realistic than Indiana Jones, that's for sure.
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Seriously. Who is going to invest in an untested character study about characters no one has ever heard of? I mean, that is a big risk of money, and considering how bad the economy no one wants to take a risk.
But you've got a movie with name recognition (remake of an old slasher movie or about robot toys from the 80s) and it is in a proven genre (action, horror, etc,) I can easily see why the studios green light those. No one is investing money into movies to not make a dime, right? Even the guys who made Brokeback Mountain were hoping to make money by being counter programming. It is just in todays economy people feel those type of movies are way to risky compared to the standard big blockbuster. -
MY LEFT FOOT, THE BOXER, GANGS OF NY, THE AGE OF INNOCENCE, IN THE NAME OF THE FATEHR. As for TWBB, if you didn't find the brilliance in that performance, then you're a person who needs a hug.
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Over the past 10 years, you've seen a steady decline in theatrical runs for "character" movies and a shift heavily towards blockbuster comic-book flicks. It's not the audience demanding it over "quality" material, it's the industry cashing in on properties they know will get 2-3 weeks of big turnout.
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Still need to watch it.
I thought he was alright in TWBB for the most part. Really liked his confession scene. But I didn't think it was anything to really write home about. He never felt like a real guy to me, no matter how many veins and tendons popped out of his neck. That last scene pretty much killed it for me. I mean it was pretty fucking hilarious, but when he was prancing around and shouting and spitting and DRAAAINNNNAGE! DRAAAAAAAAAIIIINNNNAAGE!, man, it really made me wonder why he won an Oscar for it. -
NEVER. Why? Because if he looses a fight he is dead. Career over. It isn't like a boxing match or MMA fight were you get a rematch.
Bale looks tough, he would probably kick my ass and I am a pretty big guy. But Batman cannot afford to have a chance he might not lose. He leaves a combatant up and he suddenly is facing 2, 3 or 4 guys instead of one. Every time he swings he has to make sure it is a blow that will incapacitate his foe, otherwise he might get overpowered.
I try to imagine Bale taking on Mike Tyson or Brock Lesnar in an alley-way, and I just can't see it. Batman to me has got to be tough enough I can imagine him taking on those kind of guys.
An interesting book is Becoming Batman. This neuroscientist wrote it and in it he goes over what one would have to do to even try and be Batman. It actually is really interesting because the guy who wrote it is crazy enough to try and look at it as realistic as possible. He even figures out how long Batman's career would be before he would finally lose (about five years). -
Day-Lewis created a guy who actually had very little genuine emotion. That's the whole insanity of his character- he's such a sociopath that he didn't let his real emotions come up to the surface, he simply invented fake, extreme emotions to exist in their place. And his anger at Eli is anger towards himself (for telling his "son" all those awful things at the end), which has always been the case. The crazier he gets in the movie, it's usually at points where he's deeply ashamed or angry at himself.
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You know for me De Niro's greatest talent wasn't his delivery of the script it was his internalization.
I mentioned THE DEER HUNTER but also HEAT is a prime example. He acts internally, with his mind, and that plays subtly upon his face for us to 'read'.
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By making Batman exist in a semi-realistic sense, but at the end of the day it is truly a fantasy pic, let's not forget that. I think the movies benefit from a more realistic palette because it makes the emotional content more potent and real, but people- relax about the practicalities of Batman. And for the record, he has gotten his ass kicked in those movies. And then he adapts, which i find credible within the context of that universe.
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"Batman is a guy who can never lose a fight." Fuck Conti that's some deep insight, you hit the nail right on the head.
Reading that makes me think Bale 'gets it', perhaps thats why he beefed up so dramatically for BATMAN BEGINS (yeah, you'd like him to go further, but becoming a true man mountain just wouldnt be practical).
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Think about it, we are actually having these debate about a man who dresses up as a Bat. He made it realistic enough that these are legitimate debates.
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When Batman and Rachel land on top of the cab after falling/jumping off the top floor of that high-rise. What the fuck was that shit?
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How does she keep getting work? She's unattractive, can't act, and typically the worst part of anything she's in. A monkey in a wig would do her job better, and look hotter doing it.
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For Bale to be the exact same stats as Batman in the comic books (215lbs instead of 195lbs). I mean, the guy is an actor not a pro-fighter. But still, I would love to see him get that big, all muscle. Have a Batman that people see and thinK "Fuck. I can understand why he never looses."
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What Nolan has accomplished is a fantasy-level of reality that we want to believe. I mean, how demented a character is The Joker? Isn't there a scale measuring serial killers' insanity? I read about it, the name slips my mind at the moment- but in any case, The Joker is the most extreme type of killer imaginable. And maybe even a little beyond that, and Ledger (who would have made our list of excellence) made that realistic enough to be truly unsettling and scary. But yeah, Nolan pushes us to believe shit we want to, in a sort of alternate reality sort of way.
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Regarding the next wave of actors, there are a few that have particularly impressed me in recent years; Viggo Mortensen, Michael Sheen, Josh Brolin...
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That is: More than any other era.
Consider the late thirties through forties. Yes, the big name actors: Grant, Flynn, Taylor, Power, were all in the handsome to pretty boy range. But all of them (with Taylor being possible exception) had legit acting chops. Now consider the other major male stars from that era. Tracy, Fonda, Stewart, Wayne. With the notable exception of Wayne, they all had major award winning talent (early on that is). Tracy being the finest actor of his generation. None of those men screamed 'heart throb' but they still were good looking enough and all major stars who could open a movie. The fifties were dominated by Newman, and Curtis and the one who completely changed the game, Brando. Brando was not classically handsome, but he radiated the type of masculinity and raw power that no actor before or since has had. Lets skip to the seventies. Beatty, Redford, Deniro, Pacino, Hoffman, Nicolson. All had talent. Beatty and Redford are the legit pretty boys but also award winning talent. Deniro and Pacino were considered very good looking, moreso than Fonda/Stewart/Tracy. Hoffman may be the Tracy of his generation. And Nicolson, defies easy categorization. But he was never considered good looking. The point is we may perceive one thing, but reality shows us something different. the 70's had grittier and more realistic storytelling, but the caliber of talent- to -looks was about the same as all other eras. -
Dude, you're gonna be an unhappy person for many years if you keep that up. But yeah, falling 1,000 feet to your death without dying does bother me a ton more than a school bus backing into a wall and then driving out.
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Meet the Parentsssss,Rocky n Bullwinkleeee,etc,etc,etc. The man has nothing left to proove. Let him do his fucking job and ACT IN MOVIES. You don't see him goin' down to where you work and slapping the dicks out of your mouths, do you??
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It's sad.
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tkd i think for the comparison to work you have to take it into the nineties and noughties.
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He decided to let Damon, Clooney and Pitt all exist in the same movie- 3 times. Fucking guy bangs Jules Asner too. I blame Soderbergh for Iran's nukes too...
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Or rich and sad? I honestly don't know my answer to that question.
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Conti, an 'ultimate fighting' tournament between all of todays male Hollywood actors.
I would put my money on Statham making it to the final (and prob winning), but i'd give Bale a good shot at reaching at least the quarters.
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Very true. I do have to extend into nineties. Hanks, Lee Jones, Hopkins, Spacey. Not a pretty boy to be found. Yes, that was also Denzel's decade - but he also had talent.
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when Daniel Craig was announced as Bond is one of the reasons why I think he's awesome for that role. I find him entirely believable as a cold blooded killer and someone who could kick some serious amounts of ass.
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I am the Toadkiller - I can only be what I am.
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or Law and Order: SVU I'll always have mad respect for the guy.
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Been a while dude. I agree about Craig. He looks like pants, but he was perfectly cast for this day and age. But Connery is still king - they only made one like him.
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no no no. They'd be seeded. No first round meeting between Bale and Statham.
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Jul 17, 2009 2:48:17 PM CDT
just pillow talk, I haven't heard one woman say "Craig is ugly"
by yackbacker
It was only us fanboys that made that point. Every girl I know wants to fuck his brains out, actually. Man, was that awkward when my great-aunt told me she was on board too.
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Pacino and DeNiro might be good looking, to a degree, but are they classic Hollywood hunks? No, they were two ethic looking guys that broke through the old Hollywood casting system.
I'm not saying good looks didn't help some of the 70s guys getting cast - it obviously helps the audience like you and it certainly helped Jimmy Caan - but they were not cast originally just because of their looks. Depp, Pitt (admittedly, not a great actor), Damon, Norton, Leo, etc. All of these guys fit the Hollywood "leading man" type of this generation. They are obviously good-looking guys. Pacino and DeNiro might be good-looking, the sure didn't fit the leading mad type before them, and neither did Jack Nicholson or Dustin Hoffman, and sure as hell not Gene Hackman.
And side note, while Tracy and Stewart were not handsome actors when they were stars, they weren't bad looking when they first started out. Just watch Tracy in a one reeler he made called the Hard Guy or him in Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde and tell me he was ugly. You can see why ingrid Bergman falls for him in Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde.
Now Edward G. Robinson, he was ugly.
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tkd, you're making a strong case.
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My final four - Daniel Craig, Statham, Bale and Will Smith.
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Hear me out- I'm simply saying that the charm, machismo and charisma of Eastwood, Jones, Sutherland and yes, even Garner was what made that movie even slightly acceptable. And how about Robert Duvall in DEEP IMPACT? There was a serious John Glen trend going on in cinema ten years ago, eh? Fucking wild...
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Whatever mark out of 10 you'd give yourself for looks. Stardom adds 2.
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I get my hair cut by a gay guy or as one talkbacker would say "a gayer" who keeps a picture of Daniel Craig in his work space. I asked him if he was a James Bond fan or just a Daniel Craig fan and he said both. So, it's not just the ladies who love Craig.
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Jul 17, 2009 2:56:07 PM CDT
Subtitles_Off, women find men attractive for various reasons
by yackbacker
A big cock and money are probably the top of the list. But seriously, Craig turns women on, in part, because he is a credible badass.
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But Tracy/Fonda/Stewart were not as good looking as Deniro and Pacino.
And you forget Brando. Who defied every stereotype. But lets go back to Deniro and Pacino. The country was changing and ethnic looking actors were being accepted. If Deniro and Pacino had come of age in earlier era they would have played gangsters - which is *gasp* what they played to achieve stardom. The difference is that due to the times they were able to break out of the ethnic stereotype. Not just due to talent, but due to the shifting climate in this country. -
I take personal offense to that being a huge Rockford Files fan. James Gardner is one of the greatest male leads ever on television.
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As an ex-GF told me - "If you are at a restaurant and the table next to you was being loud and obnoxious, Craig as James Bond looks like the type of guy to lean over, whisper something to get them to shut up, and then turn back and ask what you want for desert."
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the photo of Craig coming out of the beach was probably in his locker.
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And has one of the craziest war experiences ever. Look it up. The guy saw some shit.
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Don't ge your gay-cut hair in a tussle!
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I'm sorry Mr. Garner. Won't happen again.
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Is one of the best all-around guy movies ever. If you have a son, a young boy, make him watch THE GREAT ESCAPE. All of life's lessons for a man are contained in that story.
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Jul 17, 2009 3:02:41 PM CDT
I wish I had gotten in this TB a couple of hours earlier, it's a
by banditdarville
I have to agree with Stuntcock Mike's comment way back up the line. Batchelor Party Redux with Daniel Day Lewis, Tawney Kitaen and a tooted up horse = Cinema Greatness.
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Was actually a brilliant piece of comedy acting, alongside ANOTHER legend that hasn't been mentioned yet- Jack Lemmon. For shame on us all for overlooking that guy.
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Somebody said in another talkback today, that they would go postal if they make a Magnum, PI movie and don't use the original cast. Well, that's how I feel about if they ever decide to make a Rockford movie.
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Jul 17, 2009 3:04:46 PM CDT
What can stretch wider: Jonah Hill's anus or DenIro's acting ran
by takingscorpioscalls
i'm going with jonah's anal cavitty.
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I'd like to see Day Lewis in the 'Pooky' role from NEW JACK CITY.
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huge disappointment.
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RDJ just to see if he could pull it off.
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Daniel Day-Lewis as the Nutty Professor would be another fun idea.
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I'm not saying that Pacino and DeNiro are not good looking, and I am certainly not saying that they didn't benefit from changing taste in Hollywood films, but I am saying that those guys did flourish because of those changes.
Mean Streets, Godfather, Dog Day Afternoon, French Connection, Taxi Driver, Nashville, etc. Those types of movies required a different type of actor, someone who required more skills and not as much in looks.
Modern movies, as Subtitles pointed out, are dominated by Giant Robots Fighting, so you need stars who depend more on looks and presence and less on range.
Does that mean that actors in todays movies are not good? No, but it does mean that they don't have to be AS good as the Pacino and Hoffman generation because they are usually not required to carry a movie on their acting talent alone. Megan Fox isn't required to do more than look great and hide her junk, and she does that very well in Trannyformers 2. Diane Keaton, Ellen Burstyn and Sissy Spacek all had a little more work to do in the blockbusters they stared in.
And sure their are guys who are probably just as good as those guys in that generation, but since we make less movies that require a modern day Hackman or Nicholson, we therefore have less actors of that calibre. And sometimes we just put in a bigger name star who just isn't right for the part because he is a draw (Leo in Gangs of New York for example). -
I don't think Judd Apatow's dick is that big or has much girth.
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Yeah Day-Lewis needs to follow a new path and start nicking roles from Chris Rock and Martin Lawrence.
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Every time he would walk away and then turn around like he forgot something, I just felt sorry for the suspect. "You guys are fucked."
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I don't understand Scorsese's obsession with DiCaprio. Not that Leo isn't a good actor, but he has miscast him a few times. I guess Martin thinks that DiCaprio is the new DeNiro, but he is sadly mistaken.
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MACHETE'S FUCKIN' EM DOOD!!! WOOOOOOT!!! I bet this is gonna be more fun than a barrel of amputee strippers with machine guns for legs!
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They didn't let slip RDJ's blackface in th trailers or commercials?
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what I meant to say was I'd like Day Lewis to play a black man seriously, not tongue in cheek comedically. Just to see if he is that great of an actor enough to pull it off. In other words DDL basically doing what RDJ's character was doing in the movie except in real life.
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I am Kathy Griffin..nah syke I'm Andy Dick so SUCK it.
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You cannot tell me he didn't project real anguish in that movie. His scene with Jennifer Connolly when he talks over moonshine was brilliant work. The guy is a good actor. His big showdown w/ the Senate in AVIATOR was another masterful scene/montage.
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that was an example of Scorsese correctly casting him.
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Jul 17, 2009 3:26:40 PM CDT
I put the P.Hartman curse on you *sniff* *sniff*
by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby
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I don't think he has the gravitas to pull off Howard Hughes. He just looked like a kid in a suit.
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SERENITY, KINKY BOOTS, CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN, REDBELT... the guy has the goods.
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prooved Leo as an actor.
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was completely ruined by the commercials.
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THE TREJO IS YOUR ASS LANDLORD, RENTS DUE, ESE!
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It's hard for me to get past his "moron" voice. That guy was not blessed with a good voice at all. Poor guy, he was so good in CoM too.
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I miss jesuschrist too. I wonder what happened to that guy...
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I'm pretty sure there's no dildo around here...
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Jul 17, 2009 3:33:05 PM CDT
danny trejo is a really cool guy, his life story is amazing
by ironic_name
glad to see the trejo getting some respect.
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Since BLOW and CHOCOLAT, he's been doing one blockbuster after the next.
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not everyone can play the mentally-challenged role. If that was the case, they'd all end up looking like Johnny Knoxville in 'The Ringer'.
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The Quick & the Dead. Spoiler: Leo has a great death scene, and he's got a great character arc as well. Lots of room to maneuver, as an actor, and I think Leo pulled it off rather well.
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And I don't like the PIRATES movies that much. He's on my list of sell-outs.
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Jul 17, 2009 3:38:49 PM CDT
brendan was great in with honours, even tho its pesci's movie
by ironic_name
one little george of the jungle movie and we never got to see anymore of him in serious roles, still if you had a choice to sit through "my cat has cancer and my wife died: the movie" or "holy shit that dude is a mummy I'mma shoot him" you'd probably go for the mummy one.
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Good thing nobody gives a shit about me or my job!
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Michael Bay's attempt at non-explosion movie.
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I used to love that guy's work. Now, I purposely avoid his films. I once thought he could be one the level of Spielberg, but no way...
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Well, now you're on MY list of people who keep lists of sell-outs. Don't worry, tho. I just keep the list, I'm not ever gonna do anything with it.
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with the dancing animated Helena Bonham Carter skeleton's ?
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Just leave it at that. It's all downhill from here.
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He must have first proved his worth or greatness. To be shit that does constant streams of shit makes you Carrot Top. Fuck Affleck and his phony Oscar.
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I got the super-deluxe Batman '89 DVD for cheap, and tried listening to Burton's commentary. I got the impression that he had no idea how the film was actually made. I think Tim Burton is more of an interior decorator than he is a director of films.
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of people who are sell-outs. Fucking-a this is getting serious.
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you hit that right on the head.
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Jul 17, 2009 3:46:36 PM CDT
TedKordLives--- Dude! Exactly- Burton is a moron on that DVD
by yackbacker
I remember eagerly firing up the commentary and realizing he's a fucking flake. I was pretty disappointed hearing him go on and on about nothing in particular. He came off like a huge putz.
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turning away from his Vincent Prize collection and picked up a fucking comic book.
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Jul 17, 2009 3:46:58 PM CDT
the dark knight's "you gotta see how good ledger is" marketing
by ironic_name
is why it grossed so much money, don't get me wrong, its a great movie from the music to the cinematography, but frida the hairdresser and simon the investment banker don't care about comic movies, so when they think maybe ledger died after being taken over by the joker, they have to see the brilliant performance. of course the movie was worth seeing more than once which is another reason it was so big. a popcorn movie that was actually fun to watch.
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He started out as a box office success, he didn't trade it for a Woody Allen-esque career. And once he proved he was the master of the box office, he went and did some more personal work. And he did try to make serious dramas in his heyday- THE COLOR PURPLE, EMPIRE OF THE SUN, etc. No, Spierlberg isn't a sell-out like Burton, who is afraid of tackling real human emotions without the aid of ridiculous art direction (even BIG FISH is absurd).
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"ledger died after being taken over by the joker, they have to see the brilliant performance"
You're thinking too much of Frida the hairdresser. Only if Frida was a member of AICN would she think that. The general film going audience knows dick about good taste and only seen TDK because they heard from so and so that..."it was good". -
Unfortunately, he made a brilliant, poignant movie and it made me a fucking true believer in his talent. He ahd the right actors, the right script, the right feel... he made an excellent movie. And since then, he's been a fucking sell-out.
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Jul 17, 2009 3:53:24 PM CDT
First off, fuck Vincent "Anti-Semite" Price and as for EMPIRE
by yackbacker
There were no midgets or circus freaks in it, was there? It's been a while since I've seen it, but last time I checked it was a drama.
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It's all downhill from there.
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The guy did turn his act around- there's always room for forgiveness.
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...a wee bit off topic.
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He even entertained me in BUBBLE BOY.
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some dude do a Jonah Hill impression in one of the OP above? It was real early on. 3 or 4 dudes applauded it. It had me laughing...
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""Machete! The fucking Senator is after you! We need to leave the fucking country, or I'm going to end up eating a motherfucking lead salad like you! I don't like lead, Machete! I don't even like motherfucking salad! Imagine how fucking horrible lead salad would be to me! Fuck, Machete! I don't want motherfucking lead salad!""
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I didn't know AICN was actually 'Band of Brothers', you fucking twat.
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bale was a hardass from the moment he headbutted his mother's vagina and grabbed a pack of fags from the doctor.
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Same to C-lop, ironic and the rest. I'll catch you all around.
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peace.
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but what's NOT cool is being woken up by those fucking pendejos cutting the grass almost every morning. I hope Trejo can use his influence and connections to alleviate the situation.
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http://tinyurl.com/nm8wyj
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you think Bobby would be caught dead in a flick ith Segal? There's not enough film for the both of them. Especially since most of the film would take up major close-ups of Segal's face.
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you were the pioneer of AICN. Too bad I'm all out of bread crumbs. Y'know I think I have alot to learn from you Subtitles...sincerely.
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To the guy who said that Dicaprio and Bale started out as heartthrobs, that's absolutely incorrect. They both started as child actors in serious roles. That said, I agree to a certain extent that the actors of today have less substance and presence than the great generation of 70s powerhouses. But I disagree that there is no comparable talent out there today. You might have to widen your search for greatness beyond America at this point. The explosion of foreign cinema further into the mainstream has given us many new extremely talented actors and actresses to be excited about (like the previously mentioned Bardem, Mathieu Almaric, Michael Fassbender, Tony Leung, Gael Garcia Bernal, Daniel Auteuil, the late Ulrich Muhe and many more). Granted, some of these names have been around for quite a while, but so have Dicaprio, Depp, Bale, hell pretty much everyone you guys have named for this generation of actors. So I consider all these people to be relevant to the conversation.In response to another talkbacker, I believe the biggest sellout around today, or "the person who could be on the list but chose not to be", is probably Jim Carrey, actually. He's shown he can do GREAT work (Truman Show, Man On The Moon, Eternal Sunshine), yet he still feels compelled to make crap like Yes Man.
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We all agree ED WOOD was baked goods, so he should do another biopic of a b-movie filmmaker. I'm going for COLEMAN FRANCIS, whose holy trinity was Red Zone Cuba, Beast of Yucca Flats, and Skydivers. They can even get the Tor Johnson actor back for YUCCA.
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And he's still build like a rock! And to think he used to be a druggie in his teens.
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Man, that movie really is unforgetable, isn't it? But not for the right reasons. And i respect anybody who is though enough to watch that movie not in the MST3K version but the real original version.
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The guy is dead to me. There was once upona time when i bought into the visionary label they shoved on him. for some movies, it did seemed it fit. But from Planet Of The Apes foward, i think the man showed his true colours. Either that or he completly burned out or he is just doing the shit for the buck and became a parody of his former self. Screw him.
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The first time I saw him was in a tv movie called "12:01". It was a Groundhogs Day-esque thriller with Jonathan Silverman and Helen Slater. Oh, and Martin Landau as the boss and Jeremy Piven as the best friend. It's actually a good little movie, directed by Jack "The Hidden" Sholder. Anyway, Trejo was a prisoner in the jail Silverman keeps getting thrown into as he goes about the day (over and over) trying to solve the big mystery.
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anybody who can sit through any of the MST3K movies without the riffing deserves a medal.
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Sadly, the really good acting movies he made didn't provided much in term of lots of millions of dollars (with the except of Truman Show, which was actually a very profitable movie and one of the top money earners of 1998).
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In my mind, it's as if i had always known him from the movies. He's one of those actors you keep noticing him in this and that movie, because he's so darn charismatic even if he never gets major roles. Also, for the long time, i knew nothing of who he was. Until i just had to know who he was, so, when i first saw HEAT, i waited for the cast credits to roll by so i could know who was this guy. Funny enough, in Heat Danny Trejo plays a character named Trejo.
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And not 'know' in the biblical sense?
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because i enjoy analyzing those movies, you get into a zen state. If you watch it enough you start to appreciate certain things in those. I'M CHEROKEE JACK
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Jul 17, 2009 5:08:29 PM CDT
All I know is that we made this the #1 talkback of the day
by yackbacker
And without any SPAM either. You are all professionals. Even Andy Dick.
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I like watching 'bad' old low budget schlock. I examine their methods, what works, what doesn't, and how they get away with making a movie on the cheap. And maybe someday I'll get to make a shitty no-budget movie!
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Jul 17, 2009 5:15:16 PM CDT
al kabong leong, the trejo, terry crews and james hong are
by ironic_name
the 'hey! its that' guys. soon.
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best line delivered by jeff fahey
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Ted, biggest cost-cutter is steer clear of sets. Location, location, location. Exhibit A: THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT.
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When the FUCK did that happen?
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I prolly wouldn't write anything that I didn't think I could film 'for real'. But thanks, no sets in the dojo:got it. Side note: If going to prison got Trejo where he is today, should I go to prison too?
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Ted, I don't know you in any sense, but I'm gonna bet my bank account that you're not as hard a man as Trejo. And now that I think of it, Trejo has probably sucked a few dicks in his time. So, no, don't go to prison.
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Ted, yes go to prison. But only to hire a bunch of cheap yet supremely authentic hardmen to star in your kick-ass festival-winning movie.
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I'm about as hard a man as William Hung, but I'm working on coming up a little bit. Any Tips? Cobra, how bout "Wood in da Convicts"? Prolly have to take that to a different kind of festival, tho...
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You forgot Thomas Rosales, Jr. One of my favorite "Hey! It's that guy!" guys. I about shit a brick when he showed up for one second in EVERY WHICH WAY BUT LOOSE.
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CONVICTS IN DA WOOD. All the way to the bank with that one Ted. Shit practically writes itself!
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Or drink lots of milk like Leon in THE PROFESSIONAL. Apparently getting lots of dairy makes you a stone cold mutha.
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Ok Ted, I have a better idea - a homage to your family.
Make a low budget 'cinema verite' flick about a teenage guy in a small town who's blind. Turns out this blind guy is a 'genius' at bowling. He plays against some of the local cool kids and wipes the floor with them. A local girl hooks up with him, inspired by his modesty and talent, a smarmy agent sees potential to make millions out of him, etc etc.
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Apparently my body turns dairy molecules into opiates. Which is not as cool as it sounds. Burn Notice IS freakin sweet tho. I only got to see the first season and a half, but I love all the DIY spy shit they clue you into. And, of course, the magnificent Bruce!
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'Blind Alley'. Not bad, huh? Wait, holy shit, you remember me saying that my Pop's in the BHoF? That's actually touching, Cobra. To quote Bill Murray, "It's your PROFESSIONALISM that I respect."
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There's something in his eyes, a kind of weakness. I bet he's bottom.
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He was in his 20s during his jailtime in the 60s wasnt he? I'm pretty sure that's like a pornstar to the fellas there. But then again being in the can from that age makes teh badassery all the mroe so that's a good tradeoff i suppose. Moral of the story, if you want to be the ultimate stone cold cholo, you're going to have to be the concrete of some freshly laid pipes sometimes. Just one of the trials of the cholo jedi.
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BLIND ALLEY = awesome title. It sums up the bowling but also a metaphor for small town hopelessness.
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I can just see Trejo spreading his cheeks to become a cholo jedi..
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Jul 17, 2009 6:24:23 PM CDT
I love how this TB has arrived at "Trejo took it in the ass"
by yackbacker
But based on logic, not emotion.
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I'd say we're all in agreement that Trejo is the man. I only know of one tb'er who'd say different, and I dare not speak his name, lest he appear.
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Nope. It's Candyman
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Don't mention her at all. And certainly don't post in her TB if you don't like her. If we all ignored her, that would be the kiss of death.
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I'm off to a 'Parallax View'/'Marathon Man' Double Feature at the Paramount. (Never seen MM, really excited). And if that odd little argumentative weasel AsimovLives shows up, please pelt him with virtual tomatoes. Have a lovely weekend, all!
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There's no room for the bible in my life. It's not may particular favorite books of myths, i prefer The Illiad and The Oddyssey, much better writen and a much more interesting stories.
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Same to you Ted, and remember if a dentist asks you "Is it safe?" you answer 'yes!' and run like shit.
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Asimov, I thought for a mo that i had uncovered this memories-of-murder guy in another tb - I wanted to proclaim you as innocent! See the last few posts in the World War Z tb. Some guy posted there that writes rather in your style.
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Where the fuck you got that idea from me? And i though you were one of the cool guys. Was I mistaken?And The Marathon Man is a very good movie. Enjoy.
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I don't care for copycats. Anyone who doesn't have his own style is not worth of my attention. And many foreigners whose first language is not english makes the same grammatical mistakes i do. No biggies, i have seen that happen that a lot at IMDB. By now, i can guess pretty well if they are brazilain, spanish or portuguese, due to the writing style and grammar mistakes they do.You are not going soft in the head and start believing the Mr Nice Gaius stupid bullshit, are you, brother?
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WWZ is in the top talkbacks column. Asimov, whether you went by a previous name or not I truly don't mind either way, i just don't like to see a guy get picked on.
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Alright then, fair enough. I might not agree with you always, but i like your style. You are cool in my book.And for the record, i'm just a newbie here with a lot of piss and vinegar (d'uuhhh!). Which, i believe, sits ill with some people here. Maybe they feel their protagonism is being stolen or some lame ass bullshit like that, but they could not openly admit as such due to their fragille girly egos.I found the WWZ, thanks, and i posted there, but i wrote about Quantum Of Solance, the WWZ movie itself seems quite uninteresting, frankly.
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And that is true. But my friend, what do you think helped carry them over to the A-list when they got adults. I'm sure it didn't hurt that they were good looking.
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They're funny guys. They'll get it.
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Batman first knocks the guns out of their hands from the shadows with his batarangs/shurikens. There is no reason why he'd put himself in a place to have to fight a crowd -- he simply releases knockout gas with his gas mask on, or he zips in and out with his batgrapple/zipline. You are forgetting the gadgets, and his martial arts training. Ninpo bombards an enemy with tricks and concealed weapons, Taijutsu looks for weak points and avoiding blows.
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someone got banned because of that lazy eye girl? was it DGDB? btw if anyone gives three tits this is fellow professional Prossor. i got shitcanned on the fawcett obit for making a necrophilia comment.
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Abe Vigoda laughs at you all... still.
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Got any "fucking dead Cronkite" material?
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Way back before I registered this name, there was a group of guys that were stuntcasting and writing a DTV epic with Mickey Rourke, Eric Roberts, Danny Trejo, Michael Madsen, and other guys like that. It was hilarious and I always thought they were onto something. Does this ring a bell?
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still has the power to turn public opinion against any war.
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Someone tell FuckMichaelBay and GusVanRant of the plan to ignore Boobs MacGillicuddy. Their bitching take up 98% of her posts.
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fucking idiots don't realize taking the Jesus Christ route of ignoring the beast is the way to kill it. I've stayed away from that Rosie O'donnel's cracktown of a talkback for months now.
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"Subtitles, it just goes to show you
by Continentalop Jul 17th, 2009
12:52:12 PM
That despite how bad DeNiro has been lately he and his generation of actors are still infinitely more interesting than RR.""
Hear, hear. There are some terrific actors about these days, there are some great movies being made, but there is a marked difference in quality between the younger generation hitting the screens these days, and the generation that gave us DeNiro et al. I think it's unreasonable to expect the guys from those days such as DeNiro, Pacino, Scorcese, Spielberg and such to still be making such great movies 30 years later. The times have changed and they were, as others have pointed out, the driving force for the types of film emerging at the time. On top of that, age changes perspective and slows people down, even if it broadens perspective. I do wish we'd get films of that quality from those guys again, though.
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Praise Bale! Good to know you are back.
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Shutting him down for simply saying what everyone was thinking, is wrong wrong wrong.Please, no "breasts out for attention girl" this weekend!
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Good to be back! Btw what happened to DGDB? :) RichardGere, what did NeilF say?
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RIP Neil. We'll never forget.
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DGDB spends most of his time at his own site night with a bunch of other PROFESSIONALS from the Baleback. AintItBaleNews.com. Check it out and tell him Conti sent you.
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It's actually a very good movie geek site. They mix it up- they pull no punches, they bring it to the hole... phew, any other cliches?
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Should be doing Gay themed romantic comedies. Something tender and coming of age, about a fat man's loneliness and longing for the Cock-O-Ballz.
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but thanks anyhow...
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yes philadelphia is the obvious example in discussing hanks acting chops. but i chose to bring up gump simply because at the beginning "going retard" hanks played it almost as if it was for laughs. but i thought it was a very nuanced and subtle performance by hanks. also he didn't go "full retard" which of course every one knows is a mistake.
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I just cant.
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who gives a fuck. If it wasn't you then why you care? all of a sudden you are gonna act like you guys care about one another? gimme a fuckin' break.
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Jul 17, 2009 11:53:55 PM CDT
Learn to read people. DeNiro is not replacing Fahey.
by dailysportspages
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I thought they were going to go and fuck around with my Fahey. Thanks for clearing that up people who pay attention. This movie is going to kick so much ass, and that talkbacker's Jonah Hill impression is uncanny.
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squinting match for ten minutes. I like that they may be giving Machete a baddie that can hold his own against him, if you asked me before I heard this casting I don't know if I could of come up with someone who could pitt themselves against Trejo's grizzled mug and not be a complete pansy in comparison. Ok, Michael Ironside is one, but De Niro could bring another caliber altogether as the big bad in this one.
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Without having ever written a review?
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Can't underestimate his aptitude (e.g. RAGING BULL); he could even calibrate a delicate balance between camp and conviction in THE UNTOUCHABLES. But will he be remembered ad infinitum? Probably not. College kids, enrolled in filmmaking/film culture, draw a blank when you refer to Chaplin, the Marx Brothers or even Laurel and Hardy. Criminal. One week ago or so, a (truly) classic actor, Karl Malden, died; but his obit was compromised with more media "homage" to pop hack/kiddie scavenger, Michael Jackson. Malden did STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE (among other classics), Jackson did "Thriller". As for DeNiro, I wish him nothing less than immortality...but a few months ago, a teacher opened discussion about "Jimmy Cagney's psychopath in WHITE HEAT." The class was clueless in regard to Cagney and the movie. A dork raised his hand and inquired, "Is that one of those black and white flicks?" I absolutely kid you not.
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Didn't he do some movie last year with Al Pacino? God that was awful.
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Gene Hackman may be the best of his generation. Be sure to rent FRENCH CONNECTION II (Popeye unleashed in France); his performance and the movie are extremely underrated (routinely, I loathe sequels). The scene where Hackman is dealing with his involuntary drug addiction is flawless...unnerving and funny rants are eclipsed by despair and pain. It's friggin amazing, truly Oscar-worthy if I invested any sort of credence in those phoney awards. And, literally, the final 30 seconds of the movie---holy shit!
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Jul 18, 2009 12:57:43 AM CDT
You can always tell when some kid thinks he's discovered
by lockesbrokenleg
a movie the rest of us have seen a million times already.
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Deniro's legacy is safe and secure. You can catch a movie of his on all the time. As for people not knowing who James Cagney is... Most people don't know who the vice president of the United States is.
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Wish I could share your confidence, amigo (and, yeah, MOST people are clueless). But I'm still grieving over a an entire class of students--FILM students, for God's sake--who were clueless in regard to Vincent Price's legacy. I blurted-out, just impulsively, a single credit--HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL. A dumb snot, obviously referring to the remake, inquired, "Did he play the husband of the X-MEN chick or was he the black guy?" Again, I'm not kidding, I'm not laughing--I'm just depressed.
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Gee. Shock.
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far up their own asses, you just have to ignore them.
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What is This????
On www.NukeTheFridge.com
http://tinyurl.com/mys5d4
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200% agree. Can't debate CITIZEN KANE--but can recite dialogue from nearly all of Adam Sandler's "classics".
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Jul 18, 2009 2:27:28 AM CDT
It seemed like when i was in film class, I was the only
by lockesbrokenleg
one who liked movies. The other kids were too busy watching some art house flick no one ever heard of.
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in the 'The Hidden'.
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Jul 18, 2009 8:08:43 AM CDT
crazy news...machete now seems cool. CHEECH BETTER BE IN IT!!
by stonedwriter88
i haven't heard casting news this ridiculous since i dont know when. and i must say its made me rather excited for this movie. first of all i love michelle she's a cute little badass. and i think jonah hill is pretty funny he seems like a regular dude just getting mad and cussing. and de niro? thats just crazy. i hope faheys still in it. cheech better have some good scenes and lines like in the trailer. and its cool trejo will have his moment, he's been playing minor hollywood badasses for a while. its funny cause i keep thinking the actual trailer for this wont be as good as the fake trailer, though if they do a good job it should be better.
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Shit I had forgotten you got banned too. Welcome back homey.
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That dude plays different in every single movie, whether its 3:10 to Yuma, 30 Days of Night, Hostage, or X3 (where he had *nothing* to do). I fear for the day where he wins his Best Supporting Actor Oscar and then only takes roles which allow him to be dramatic or be the main actor (I'm looking at you Kevin Spacey and Philip Seymour Hoffman), ending his string of awesome supporting roles.
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Though the first day of class, when we went around the room telling everyone who our favorite director was, everyone seemed afraid to just tell the truth and started picking obscure directors. Someone said Wes Anderson (this is before Life Aquatic), and I half-way believed him. When it came to my turn I said "I'm not gonna lie, its Spielberg. His films have been the most influential on my life and made me want to be a filmmaker".
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I said Singer and Cameron at the time. Nowadays I'd probably say Wes Anderson and Nolan.
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I need new ones
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Have you been paying attention to what's going on down there? Killing police department and throwing heads around all day. We don't need a fence. We need a force field. I hope they film this in Canada or something.
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Jul 18, 2009 11:55:00 AM CDT
Michelle Rodriguez > The majority of female leads in action flic
by mrhazard
She plays the same character but she plays it well...
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The tales you tell from people who are film students and should know better reads more like an horror story or as a macabre comedy. For fuck's sakes, they are studying film!! Small wonder Holywood today is filled to the grilsl with mini-Michael Bays and JJ Abrams. Those are the guys the new film students are worshipping, not Orson Welles, Akira Kurosawa, John Ford or John Houston. Depressing indeed!
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I dig this concept so fucking much. Ah, such a simple movie, yet so potentially wonderful.
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popular movies, and only favor art house ones, you are not a true movie fan in my opinion. BLAH!!
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Please continue to entertains us in future talkbacks with more of your impersonation of Jonah Hill. You have him down so perfect. You gave me a good laugh. I know Seth Rogan reads this site, Seth and Jonah are good friends. Does DrunkyMcLush=Seth Rogan? Hmmm.
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Why is it I can never understand a damn thing you post?
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Couldn't Harry ask RR about Machete when they spoke about Predators? I understand you guys might be too lazy to actually look around for scoops, but this makes no sense to me at all.
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You mumbled something about how art house movies and popular movies are the same when they aren't. They never could be.
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It's baffling why she doesn't smile more often. She's a beautiful woman, but the perpetual sneer isn't doing much for her career.
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Jul 18, 2009 10:31:00 PM CDT
Art house film and a popular film the same...
by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby
...isn't that by definition a load of bullshit???
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you'll garner plenty of cred.
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yeah i dont think the machette that trejo plays in spy kids is the same machette that this movie is going to be about.
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To paraphrase Eisenstein: I don't care if a film is "educational" or is "entertaining", I just care that it is gripping.
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Will the film still have that low rent quality from the trailer? Is Cheech in it?
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on EW some dude wrote apparently Seagal makes a million a week. How? Isn't he doing those fucking shit direct dvd movies? I saw that Against the dark one, it sucked my ass, not even the cheesy awesomeness of Seagal could save it. Question is. He was paid probably a million dollars for that? I would have offered him a large pizza and coke, sure he'd be happy. Isn't Rodriguez really cheap also?
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Jul 19, 2009 8:12:04 AM CDT
I saw jonah hill on a talkshow, I though it was seth rogen
by ironic_name
took me five minutes to work out who it was.
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Ra's Al Ghul is better than you.
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I know that this is off-subject now, and I apologize for going back to what has already been neaten like a dead horse for the last few weeks. That being said, I have tried for the last 6 - 7 days to figure out what is missing from Deniro's career. I have even gone back in the last couple of days and re-watched King of Comedy, Taxi Driver, Once Upon A Time In America (The Full Version, of course), Godfather II, and Man Streets. Now, of course, most of those came in the 70's when cinema was taking real chances, but that's just the thing. Even though films don;'t take, well, mainstream films, don't take the risk that the 70's new-age took, there are still plenty of opportunities for actors to stretch out and explore character depth. Deniro stopped doing that a long time ago. Deniro became Deniro and elevated himself over the like of Brando by taking on roles that no major star including Brano would have touched with a ten foot pole. Even after Deniro cemented his place in film history and won his Oscars, he still raised the bar. Characters like Jake LaMotta and Travis Bickle aren't going to endear yourself to the ticket buying masses. But Deniro brought it, he brought it so much to those roles that people started paying just to see him no matter what the movie was about. Then one day, the risk-taking stopped and it seems he's been resting on those risks for the last twenty or so odd years. Even some of his best performances like Casino, Midnoght Run, and Goodfellas are just Bobby riffing on the image of Bobby. Not to mention those four terrible comedies that he shamelessly became a part of. Now, once he hit a certain age, he may have decided just to play it staright and I can't begrudge him that decision. Most actors would never play it the way he did for one movie, let alone twenty years. Unfortunately, what we are left with just seems like half a career and a lot of broken promise. How the fuck could he have been THAT GOOD and then just become good/average. Now, we all know that he is/was a method actor and as silly as that may seem in theory perhaps he took it such an extreme that it wore him out at a young age. I don;t know, but goddamn, I'd like to see him take on a monster role and just act the shit out of it.
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Are some of you SERIOUSLY stating, on a film fan website, that Robert De Niro IS NOT a good actor? I mean, really? GUYS!!! Wake the fuck up! Don't get bogged down in that whole, well that's my opinion shit - these types of websites allow us to voice some very idiotic opinions that were merely momentarily thought, not thought out arguements or things that have a great deal of consideration behind them: they are just abstractions, purely illogical gut reactions, amid a culture that due to its ever-growing reliance on media as a barometer for how it should feel about "stuff," is becoming desentitized to consequence, to the fact that opinion is something with weight, not something to be rammed down somebodies throat. ROBERT DENIRO! Folks, seriously... BOBBY DENIRO!!! Just because you see a lot of a person doesn't mean you have to demean the entirety of their life or career.
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That was at least a thoughtful interpretation of DeNiro's career over the last two decades. I may disagree with some of it, but thanks nonetheless. By the way, another problem that I see is DeNiro's tackling comedies - DeNiro uses caricature to be funny, and while it works sometimes (just saw "They're No Angels" a while back, and his highly elastic facial expressions are bewildering bizaree but hilarious all the same, despite - and maybe due to the fact - that they were hyperbolically unrealistic, to the point if somebody in real life pulled faces like that, not only would you not mistake them for a priest when three ex-convicts are on the loose, but you would probably ring up the state mental hospital after shirking away in instinctual revulsion; BUT DeNiro is the funniest part in that highly strange, but endearing, picture and his risk pays off because of the vaudevillian tone of the picture). His drama output in these last few years has been very very slim. And I'll say something else, sometimes it is hard to watch a star age, as that process seems to insist to us that they are no longer as elegant as they once were, not as supple and skilled, dulled maybe. So I think that, like DanceToTheBeatOfTheLivingDead, that DeNiro's career choices are more of an indication of his acting style over the last few years rather than his actual reservoir of talent (though, if misused, those instincts can be, to degree, become ill-worn, atrophied). You can look to "the Good Sheperd" to see how much film still matters to DeNiro - and what a non-commercial project that one was, one with a lot of passion and language behind it; not many spy pictures actually deal with the erroding away of ideals, the reason one stays a spook, while many many deal with the struggle of being amoral, or just set up ammorality as par for the course. But we need not defame DeNiro's career, or potential, in order to express discomfort or disappointment with his choices of late - there have been some really good ones over the years.
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I can think of no more heartbreaking performance than DeNiro's Rupert Pumpkin. One of the most disconcerting film experiences of my life - and actually, if you look closely at it, at the writing and the performance that inhabited it, there is a lot of Rupert in many of us. His constant embarassment in order to achieve what he wants, what he has been taught to desire by the cold dim light of the TV that gives him the little hope he has in life, the hope that he has accepted while disavowing any other: the embrace of someone else, an actual relationship (his manipulations of Bernhard's Masha are so true, and so cruel of acts, he achieves the pathos and sorrow, the pity we relinquish upon so crippled a beast as Daneil Day Lewis' Daniel Plainview). It is all so prophetic, such resemblance of what we've allowed ourselves to become in the sadomasochism of our popular culture. Such a deluded a creature we've rarely seen.
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Jul 19, 2009 1:17:27 PM CDT
And DeNiro's Louis in "Jackie Brown" is a great role,
by chaunceygardiner
played marvelously, humbly.
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DeNiro's acting has to be so good that it has to sell that final moment in "Heat," that action of reaching out and holding the hand of the man who has killed him, the man who has ostensibly robbed him of his dreams (though he, and we if we've been careful and considerate viewers of the film, both know this to be untrue). It is the pinnacle moment of the film, and truly the whole reason for its existence, for that choice and the time of that choice to come to fruition. And DeNiro has the unsettling task of portraying a stone killer who does something so ... so honest and helpless. The need for human contact - whether it be antagonistic or communal, convivial and meaningful. What we do is secret. Till it isn't. It is a performance delivered matter of factly and professionally, much like Neil himself.
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He is, for my money, the best of the convict benefactors in all the many storied and rightly acclaimed adaptations of Dicken's "Great Expectations." The convict benefactor, if played right, is the heart of the tale, not merely a coincidence. He portrays the stories underlying theme of disappointment-guilt/hatred/acceptance-compassion/repentance/absolution-freedom with the acumen of a man who truly understands the compacity for film to use metaphor as vital embodiment. DeNiro is much less the main show these days, and more the side man. I do wish for more show-stopping, but we'll see... we'll see... I do think that the tasks we took on in his career have been monumental, and do to this, exhausting - taking a spirit few of us would wish to explore, to expend at the risk of venturing into places where pieces of us would stick and stay, like loved ones migrating to distant, and cold, locales.
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I realize that, in fact, the actual number of people just totally degrading DeNiro is at the level of a very small minority. And in actuality, the majority of talkbackers are in the positive on DeNiro (as far as on a consensus about the whole of his career, not merely the disappointments after those many years of plenty). I should be more respecting to "just don't get" DeNiro. All films (even the great ones) speak to people differently. This is why great films are great - they speak in myriad voices. The majority of the negative posts were in that category of not caustic dislike, but merely confused about the popular consensus about DeNiro's acting. I would say, they should watch more of his films, give the smaller ones from years past a chance - I think he'll you will be surprised. Thankfully, I now realize that the disparagement was kept at a minimum; AintItCool can bring out the polarizing in all of us sometimes - and I jumped the gun. Apologies.
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Jul 19, 2009 2:16:43 PM CDT
ChaunceyGardiner, thank you for reigning yourself in there
by yackbacker
I was going through your posts and (since I was one of the people being somewhat critical of De Niro) thought "Nobody says De Niro sucks outright" but you re-read the discussion and you adjusted your comments. I respect the heck out of you for coming back and writing your last post- intellectual honesty can be fleeting in these times, you're fucking aces.
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I am not disagreeing with anything you wrote. As a matter of fact, I'm assuming you won;t look all the way back to something I wrote two or three days ago, so I'll just tell you. Yes, i have stated that Deniro has lost what made him Deniro in the first place over the last 20 or so years. BUT....I have also said that statement comes with exceptions. It's funny that you mentioned We're No Angels as that is mostly a forgotten film. I used that, This Boy's Life and Heat as the major exceptions to his declining intensity lately. So, we're kind of on the same page there. That being said, if you were to ask me to list the top 20 actors of the last 20 years, Deniro would not come to mind. Has he lost it? Who the hell am I to say' I don;t know. But has he lost it according to what he's shown us lately? I would say yes. There was a time where the name Robert Deniro would ensure my seven dollars, I bought the damn ticket based on the star of the show. I have never done that on a regular basis for any other actress or actor ever. The man has all of my respect and admiration, all I'm trying to do is understand where it all went, because it just isn;t up there on the screen anymore.
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Now, just another actor with plenty of shitty movies under his belt.
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The "bullshit" that AssimovLives hopes you won't believe is that several longtime Talkbackers have identified him as the former Talkbacker known as BladeRunnerUnit and Memories-Of-Murder. It's a simple matter and why he chooses to deny it when confronted is really quite strange.
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In the Pacino vs. DeNiro battle i'll go with Pacino. I personally dont care about DeNiro's toughguy/psycho shtick. Not that i'm against actors who basically stay in one area like Clint Eastwood who plays the same 1-note badass, i like that persona though. Pacino on the other hand can do psycho, intense, softy, anything. Heck he even went whimsical in the Author Author comedy. Even DeNiro does the same tougguy shit in his comedies. That said Travis Bickle is still one heck of a role. Still even if DeNiro plays the same guy his own charisma and naturalism shows which is a million times better than Daniel Day "HAL 9000" Lewis and his fake ass synthetic feelings.
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WTF? FTW!!!!
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"IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER" - bet you thought I was going to use obscenity. Just kindness. And awesomeness. All of which I rank highest for in my Jedi training. And not obscenity. It is AGAINST THE CODE. But seriously - "In the Name of the Father."
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Daniel Day-Lewis robotic? Are you fucking serious? Yes, in There Will Be Blood, he seemed extremely ingenuine with his emotions, that was kind of the point of the film. If you are basing your HAL 9000 comment on that movie alone, I would simply say that you didn't understand the movie and ask you to watch it again. if you based that comment on any other film in the man's career or on hs entire body of work...well...to be nice, I won;t call you a fucking moron. Deniro and Pacino displayed similar chops early on, Deniro had so much more range, however. Don't get me worng, Pacino was hreat and showed range, Deniro just acted all over the spectrum. The tpugj guy image you speak of g=has mainly come in ythe latter part of his career that we're speaking of, stasting that it's incomparable to the early years. However, if you want to talk about an actor molding and fitting into a self-made cliche, it's Pacino. His acting recently is just over-acting, yelling out his lines and over-emoting even when the scene and part call for the exact opposite. Early career, I don;t believe there is any comparison whatsoever between the two. Later career? I would prefer Pacino. Mainly because his ratio for bad films over good films has been better than Deniro's in the last 20 years. Also, over-acting has really brought him some iconic moments, quite a few actually, many of which I admit I enjoy. Deniro's career has been void of anything iconic lately and compared to Pacino's overdoing it, Deniro seems to be phoning it in.
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Sorry I broke you obscenity code. That claim on Daniel Day Lewis fucking warranted it, I believe.
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Damn black keyboard in a dark room, sorry everybody
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Oh yeah. "Ferocious ain't I?"
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He's played the whole explosive hanger, type-A complex card with singular energy and devotion. While playing this type of character he's been able to make almost all of these incarnations subtly different - like all the assembled members of a drunkenly brazen and overtly emotional family, all explosively angry people. All that neuroses bouncing one off the other. Vincent, Shylock (oh yeah, he did it, and made that language pulse like no other), Coach Tony, Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade, Carlito, Lefty (his humbled gangster in "Donnie Brasco"), Ricky Roma, and, my personal favourite, Lowell Bergman. His Lowell provides a particular insightful example of that trope: a man who must be explicityly emotion, but only when what he cares about is on the line, but otherwise, he has to hold his cards, expend his energy in the quiet of an intensive work regimen. The way he portays a man thinned out and grasping still, that marvelous phone call to Jeff from the Bahamas, trying to talk him out of whatever he is about to do, whether that be give up spiritually by giving in to pity, or give up in the temporal sense, by offing himself. To Roger Bart's hotel manager, "No, you can [say "GET ON THE FUCKIN' PHONE!"]. Tell him to - GET ON THE MOTHERFUCKIN' PHONE!" A lot of his characters are a lot like actors, actually - they act out a pantomime to achieve an effect.
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And Lefty from BRASCO was such a great, understated performance from Pacino too. ChaunceyGardiner, you're speaking truth to the Man. I don't recall your posting in other TBs before, but keep it up, dude. Awesome stuff.
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Jul 20, 2009 12:32:57 AM CDT
Nobody here had as cogent an arguement as your's, ToTheBeatofThe
by chaunceygardiner
I just referenced it to the degree that I did because that it gave a lot of food for thought on the mystery of DeNiro's acting these last few years. I am very much like you harbouring the hope that there will be a sea change in his choices - but I do think they are very conscious choices (as seen by the intensity and strict moral focus on spiritual disintegration of the whole of "the Good Sheperd"). The only thing I outrightly disagree with (and I didn't even mention it) was the way we separately view his work in "Casino." Ace Rothstein is one of the best things, I think, Scorsese has ever accomplished on film. While it seems like he is holding back, that's the point of Rothstein - a high wire act that covers up his insecurity and desolate personal life by exerting the control that has brought him wealth and success in his occupation. He is all work, no play. Purely rational - except when it comes to Ginger. Love for Rothstein is a mystery; and it is a marvel for me, watching that film and watching how he made the tragic mistake of attempting to love Ginger, and being unable to love her in any other way than the way he ran his professional life: no excuses. And Scorsese gives us that one little peek into Ace's private world - when Ace comes out from behind his desk when the intercom rings, revealing that he works with no pants on, hosiery gaurds attached and all. Then he puts on the pants, and then its business as usual. But a great performance. And rarely do we get to watch a character on film who is a mathematical genious that is played with the series of tropes and stereotypes that usually accompany people of such abilities and leanings. Rothstein is portrayed so guarded, so professionally inclined that you almost forget he is the brilliant man he is - and that's the point. He is a man who survives by his relative anonymity. And in the end, he realizes that it is not by cold calculation alone that he is indebted to: it is the moment of his face from grace, from innocence to knowledge. And his broken heart. A brilliant film that I strongly disliked the first time I saw it, couldn't comprehend at all. Then one day I had a conversation with a friend about it, telling him about it when he hadn't seen it yet, and I found myself going on and on, even steeped back inside myself as I rambled on and thought, "Wow - there's a lot more to this film then my initial reaction had prepared me for." Now, I respect as one of Scorsese's masterpieces -and that ain't no small potatoes.
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During the school year I don't get to post very much. This time in between gives me a great space to think over the movies I saw in the year between, all the great experiences. For all its flaws, I do love this site. A lot of excitement about the forum of film, a subject I've loved since my first theatre-going experience. "E.T." 1983/84 (the re-release, at the Dollar Theatre). I remember that experience better than my parents do.
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Jul 20, 2009 12:42:46 AM CDT
and that's "fall from grace," "not face from grace."
by chaunceygardiner
The Force failed me.
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THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE; the most appealing Satan since Walter Houston (THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER). A "morphed" Pacino breaks the fourth wall and addresses the audience ("Vanity--my favorite sin!" Cue Pacino's signature laugh). Kick ass! The film is criminally underrated and Pacino's sign-off scene is one of the best of the past milllenium.
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Jul 20, 2009 4:59:46 AM CDT
It is funny you guys say DeNiro plays nothing but tough guys
by continentalop
Because when he first appeared he played nothing that resembled a tough guy at all.
GREETINGS and HI, MOM he plays a draft dodger who later becomes a trickster character who has a number of adventures while trying to make it in NY (the only "tough guy" he plays in Hi Mom is when he pretends to be a NY cop during the "Be Black, Baby" experimental theatre sequence). In BANG THE DRUM SLOWLY he plays a likable but slow catcher; in BLOODY MAMA he plays the most spoiled member of the Barker Gang; a comic turn as a scared cyclist in THE GANG THAT COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT; the son of a rich Italian landowner in 1900; an ambitious Catholic priest in TRUE CONFESSIONS; and desperate funny man Rupert Pupkin in THE KING OF COMEDY.
Sure he played dangerous or powerful men in TAXI DRIVER, GODFATHER PART II, RAGING BULL, THE DEER HUNTER or even THE KING OF COMEDY, but he never played anything really like the "stereotypical" DeNiro parts until probably the 90s. The same thing with Pacino (SCARECROWS, PANIC IN NEEDLE PARK, DOG DAY AFTERNOON and BOBBY DEERFIELD are all very much unlike any of Pacino's later roles). -
It's a criminally unfair and ignorant description of the choices of character he has chosen to play over the years. Vito Corleone wasn't a tough guy. Brando and Deniro made him an honorable man fo integrity who chose that life for all the right reasons along with all the worng ones. Deniro took Vito so much further than Coppola allowed Brando to, really getting to the soul of the character. As a matter of fact, it was the stark contrast of integrity of father and depravity of son that formed the entire nucleus of the sequel. Vito wasnt tough guy, he was just as tough as he had to be. This is the problem that people who try to wrap up Deniro's characters into one word face. At first glance, Vito Corleone is a gangster. Gangsters are usually...by definition...tough guys. It's ironic in that Deniro's Vito was one of the first cinema gangsters to break that mold instead of fitting into it. The same can be said about Ace Rothstein. Chauncey, I don;t know where you got that I didn;t care for Casino or Deniro's work within, I may have said something to that effect, and if so, it came out wrong. I agree with you wholeheartedly in just about everything you said and that was one of the most descriptive and concise dissections of a movie character I have ever read. Ebert would be proud of that. Well written, my friend. While Deniro has played a lot of "tough guys" the vast amjority of his work has been playing against this type. His characters in Taxi Driver and Deer Hunter were mentioned above as fitting into this type and I disagree. Travis Bickle was no tough guy, as a matter of fact, his final act of violence was brought on by his introverted nature and years and years of taking abuse from all angles. It was only when he saw innocence being destroyed that he acted out on all of his pent up pain and anger. None of the guys in Deer Hunter were "tough guys" either. They were Steelers, small town regular working guys thrown into a war and their souls were rattled to the core by the violence and abuse they endured. It's an allegory war and innocence lost, not Deniro or Walken showcasing macho attributed playing Russian Roulette.
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We can probably get a good read on how Deniro perceives this tough guy image in that he has made as many comedies playing the tough guy as serious films. Think about it, Midnight Run, We're No Angels, Parents 1 & 2, Analyze This and That. These are the films that have given him that label. How many real, true tough guys has he played serious? Just eliminate all the cookis cutter cop mives he's made in the last twenty years and look at his true body of work. Even recently, he's been in two gangster movies, Mad Dog & Glory and Sleepers, playing the straight coward and the priest respectively. Deniro has always been comfortable playing with that image. The whole tough guy thing has come about recently and it is his recent choices that have brought this conversation into existence. Perhaps those complaining about him playing the one-note tough guy are people in their teens and twenties who only know the films he has made in their lifetime. Movies like 15 Minutes, Showtime, Ronin, The Score, these are quick and easy paydays that have landed on his desk and he has accepted. Honestly, is it all about laziness? This guy has accepted roles based on scripts he's read for The Deer Hunter, Once Upon A Time In America, Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, The King of Comedy, The Untouchables, etc, etc, etc. Does anybody think he got the script for 15 minutes and thought, "I've got to do this one?"
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Pacino's Satan was funny; I'll give you that. Was he the funniest Satan ever? Yeah, I'd give you that, too, outshining Nicholson's gleeful turn as Old Scratch in Witches of Eastwick. You know who has played a much better version of Satan, though? Uhh...Robert Deniro. In just 10-12 minuted of screen time, he ripped Angel Heart right out of the hands of an in-his-prime Mickey Rourke and stole the show. Pacino's devil was funny, Deniro's was genuinely fucking scary.
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Ray Milland in Alias Nick Beal. At least in my opinion. But DeNiro comes close.
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Jul 20, 2009 10:10:23 AM CDT
I haven't seen any of the early DePalma comedies with Bobby D.
by chaunceygardiner
What do those of you who have seen them think of them? Always been curious, just haven't gotten around to them.
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Roddy McDowell vs. Mr. Rourke on FANTASY ISLAND.
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If you want to see DeNiro playing as regular a guy as you can get and doing it brilliantly watch Jacknife. Also, Ed Harris is amazing in it and I didn't even recognize him at first. He looks so different than he does now. But, anyone saying that all DeNiro can do is badass gangster or psycho will get their ass kicked by Jacknife.
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I think one of his strongest performances is in Bronx Tale in which he has to go up against the mob figures that everyone expects him to be. The quiet storm that rages inside him when he confronts Sonny over C. The complete lack of fear when it comes to protecting his child. His role in that film is a stark lesson on integrity and morality. You jst know that The Bus Driver could have been one of the bad-ass wise guys in the neighborhood and would have been one of the best; he carries that presence on him quietly but forcefully. Yet he chose to take the hard road and work a menial, low paying job in order to be a good example for his child and to bestow upon him the virtues of a days hard-earned pay. When that all gets turned upside down and Sonny introduces the kid to the easy money and wise-guy lifestyle, Deniro comes up for air. The scene doesn't end the way you'd expect it too. Deniro directed it and could have easily turned the scene a different way to make his character appear tougher. He didn't however, he had his character walk away from the situation. It was the way he walked away from it, never backing down to the one guy in the neighborhood that you didn;t stand up to that made it an incredible scene. Deniro sold every emotion needed to in the two minute scene. The rage, the hurt, the frustration, the embarrassment. That scene is Deniro at his best. Not playing a tough guy. <br. Old Scratch in the original Devil & Daniel Webster is a pretty good Satan. So is Liz Hurley in Bedazzled but for completely different reasons, of course.
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I always thought that movie was DeNiro kind of making amends for glamorizing the gangster lifestyle and by him directing that film he was basically saying this is how I really feel about these types of people.
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And as far as old actors go, look at Michael Caine. Sure he's done some shit movies too like Miss Congeniality, but he also consistently pulls off amazing performances. We haven't seen the last of what DeNiro has to offer, I guarantee.
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i'm saying is i prefer Pacino over DeNiro if i was walking near in mexico late at night and some tacohead pointed a gun at me and said "DeNiro or Pacino" THEn i'd definitely know what to say and pray i don't dissapear in the drug wars. I agree Pacino was in yellfest mode during the 90s, but at their prime as actors when they were taking chances, 70s/early 80s, no one, NO ONE was better than Pacino. Not DeNiro, not even fucking Nicholson for sheer variety of roles and presence that jumped out of the screen. Pacino's string of performances from 1971's Panic At Needle Park to 1975's Dog Day Afternoon even blows away Brando's run during his 50s heyday. As for the modern age DeNiro is still doing mob movies with another Scorsese and Mann movie while Pacino can fall back on his theater background with Shakespeare and apparently he's going to play dali. All i'm saying is DeNiro is great when he plays that one character but Pacino has more outlets to do things.
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Yeah, I just have to respectfully disagree with you as far as my choice is concerned. I love the shit out of Pacino as I've stated before but I don;t feel it or desire to be a part of it like I do with Deniro. I do agree with you on Brando, however. He has the unfortunate task of being the one who raised the bar. It's just like listening to Robert Johnson. You know he created everything modern about the blues, and therefore, rock n' roll, but after listening to Clapton, Hendrix, Zeppelin, and the rest of em take his songs to the next level, it's hard to appreciate Robert Johnson's music as much because it is so bare in comparison. Brando has the same problem, he introduced method acting to the world, but shit, we've seen great actors take his beginnings to new heights for 50 years now. It doesn't take anything away from Brando but when you watch the intensity of a Deniro, Penn, Oldman, Pacino, Day Lewis, & Depp take his lessons and run with them it's just hard to appreciate what Brando did.
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