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The Composer For IRON MAN 2 Will Be...
Greetings! ScoreKeeper here with a rivet of scoring news forged in heavy metal from the most clandestine laboratories of Stark Industries.
The composer for IRON MAN 2 (2010) will be John Debney.
The pairing of Debney with director Jon Favreau will mark the third time the two have collaborated together. Their two prior films were ELF (2003) and ZATHURA: A SPACE ADVENTURE (2005).
Personally I’m thrilled by the selection! Debney is a fine craftsman who can provide the necessary unrestrained wallop of adventurous emotion crucial for a comic book superhero adaptation. He’s a virtuosic melodist, a dazzling painter of kaleidoscopic orchestration, and an auteur of classic cinematic scoring.
IRON MAN 2 is already one of the most anticipated movies of 2010. It may also be one of the most anticipated scores of 2010 as well.
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damn cool news.
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This can only be a good thing. Iron Man's score was crap. Dull, uninspired, simplistic and repetitive.
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I hope they still have Tom Morello Shredding in some parts.
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Zombie composers for the world!
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They gotta make that movie before they make Elf 3...
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I don't really remember Iron Man having a memorable theme.
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really- that's the best picture you could put up?
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was just ok... def improvement needed.That's two big composer TB's in one week...hoo-ra for what's becoming a lost art.
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...who gives a fuck, it's just music.
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or just a moronic bore?
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and here its some bland guy.
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Jul 15, 2009 6:58:57 PM CDT
So is the score heavy metal oriented? Or are they trying to be e
by mike_d
im confused
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... keep playing Black Sabbath's IRON MAN throughout while Iron Man's fucking shit up. Hey, it'll be better than Transformers 2 and GI JOE, which means it'll really decent!
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Action sequences inspired By Gennedy Tartovsky sp. storyboards.
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i thought he was suppose to be in this.
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was pretty amazing. I can't remember any music from the first Iron Man so I can only assume this is a step in the right direction. Thanks for the heads-up ScoreKeeper!
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But let the dick-sucking begin
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Anyone? Nope. Shows over, everyone drive safely...except that primo douchebag Chief Redcock.
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I used to turn to AICN for the hottest latest greatest, and believe me when I say I could give a shit who writes the useless score to the Iron Man movie! These movies need nothing more than background noise for a score. Try reporting on something worthwhile next!
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Thats almost as interesting as Script Girl's bull shit.
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Not using the Black Sabbath song properly.
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EXCLUSIVE: Randall Poster is the Music Supervisor for Drew Barrymore's directorial debut "Whip It"! Are you boys excited?
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Jul 15, 2009 8:18:48 PM CDT
I don't remember the score for Iron Man being that remarkable, b
by banditdarville
they did rock Suicidal Tendencies when Stark was working on his hot rod. That's quality music in my book.
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and it would turn out better than the Horrible score from the last film....really...it wasn't just bad..it was fucking amatuer.
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Tell John Debney to write something catchy that makes you feel uplifted, and heroically bad-ass this time. He doesn't seemed to have gotten the memo on the first IM.
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sure he knows how to write music, but he doesn't know how to score a scene!! argh!!!!! what was wrong with the last guy??
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Just asking, lol
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driving with the top down... find it - it's fucking kickarse!
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I cringed at how the orchestra couldn't keep the tempo or the notes on most of the tracks. I wrote off Debney after getting suckered into buying that release.
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the first movie had no theme, when i see a superhero movie i want to leave the theatre humming a theme, something epic like superman, x-men, elfman's batman or even the theme from the dark knight and batman begins
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Truthfully the era of listenable movie scores died when Marco Beltrani and a host of no-name composers came to the scene.
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"Its gonna make House Party look like House Party 2!"
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Buddy of mine is contracted to play in the orchestra recording it end of July/beginning of Aug. He's pretty hyped (though not a movie nerd)
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My 7 yr old son rocks out to Back In Black. Or 'the Iron Man song' as he calls it. He'll have a martini with extra olives, if you're buying.
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I loved his guitar work in the first film.
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out of my head.
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I'm not sure why movie studios, always looking to cut corners and costs, don't use more public domain classical music. Sure, there are a lot of classical pieces that are familiar to even the most casual of music listeners, but there are loads more pieces that people don't recognize. Nevermind that most movie score composers blatantly rip off of classical composers in the first place.
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Jul 15, 2009 9:15:06 PM CDT
And the composer for Iron Man 2 will be... WHO GIVES AN EFF
by mysterious_volvo
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not just anyway.
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who gives a shit? license some decent METAL/INDUSTRIAL tunes
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if most of u guys don't care about this news than just skip over and don't read it instead of coming here to criticize the reporting of it. don't be jackasses.
anyways, reagarding the news, anyone
would be better than those Zimmer rc hacks. I'm so sick of zimmer and his cronies' shitty music all over Hollywood nowadays..give someone else like debney a chance (who's a great composer btw, listen to his passion of the christ, scorpion king, cutthroat island, and his score for the video game lair). he'll do a great job since he normally wastes his talent on kids movies/ comedies most of the time. hopefully Hollywood will now realize him and hire him for better projects -
if most of u guys don't care for the way people dont like about this news than just skip over their comments and don't read it instead of coming here to criticize the way they critisize the reporting of it. don't be jackasses. anyways, reagarding the news, WHO GIVES AN EFF?
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memorable scores recently. Even Danny Elfman who came out with classic themes ,like, 15 years ago now seems to be reduced to creating background noise without evena decent leitmotif (like Terminator...I mean why couldnt they bring in Brad Fiedel to ressurrect and maybe even improve the T2 stuff? I can barely remember a note from Elfmans score let alone anythrough backs to the originals). The TDK score (which was held in pretty high regard last year)is pretty good, mostly for Why So Serious, but even that isnt the most inventive bit of scoring. The one note whine/buzz, though memorable and effective gets lazy after a while, and some nice touches like bringing back Bruces dad's theme for Gordon's scene with his son are terrific, but on the whole it isnt as good as Elfmans early Batman stuff and particularly Shirley Walker's work on the animated series. Beyond that I dont remember many modern event films having memorable let alone impressive scores-or at least anything above generic fodder drowned out by explosions. Watchmen for example could have had a clever retro 80s score thats stuck in your mind and truly shaped the film. and there are hints of that idea in a few chessey guitar licks but the rest of its just...you know...meh. I mean, to not give characters like Rorshach their own themes on a par with the Imperial March or something always seemed criminal to me...anyway Im rambling...sorry :S
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I was making an observation before I commented on the actual news vovlo. I have to scroll through all the comments to get to the bottom of the page, so when I see all these ppl being ridiculously uncivil about a small bit of news who actually take some time to criticize something because they have an "Internet voice" to voice their meaningless opinions which do absolutely nothing to make them look credible. I think this is why people choose to go to more credible websites like /film, comingsoon, etc, not because of the news items AICN posts but the credibilty of the talkback posts, 95% of which are trolls.
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Jul 15, 2009 10:08:57 PM CDT
The composer of Iron Man 2 SHOULD of been Michael Bay.
by scriptgirl_nipples
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Pedophiles don't "look like" anything. Remember that if you ever plan on protecting a child.
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i'm right there with you man.. Miss that stuff. Don't worry some filmakers out there are keeping the love alive even though they are few and far in between.
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in the adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs 'JOHN CARSON OF MARS'. Sounds cool to me...
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...when even a serial plagarist like Debney is a breath of fresh air compared to those HORRIBLE Media Ventures scores.
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Jul 15, 2009 11:07:47 PM CDT
The composer for Iron Man 2 will be..... Shitty
by alexandradupontsbellybutton
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I re-watched The Rock last year and when they're starting to chase Connery, and the music starts to sound like Pirates of the Caribbean but then stops short of being the familiar theme. I looked on the back of the bluray cover and was kind of surprised to see Zimmer's name. Its almost as if Zimmer said, "I have the chance to be a part of a hollywood blockbuster and to put some kickass music in this, but its being helmed by this piece of shit Bay so I'll give him a taste of one of my more memorable works without going all the way in. I'll save it for a true blockbuster, like one with that guy from 21 Jump Street acting like a drunk is-he-or-is-he-not-a-homo-pirate saving a British guy who's first name is the same as the popular city in the state where old folks go to die. Yeah it sounds fucked up, but if the director didn't film stupid shit like extreme closeups of coins spinning forever on tables and on the floor I might actually go full blast and not half-assed on this score." Admit it you know that's what Zimmer was thinking.
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Jul 15, 2009 11:15:41 PM CDT
FACT: Every good film Debney has scores has turned out a great s
by the_genteel_gentile
In my estimation this is a fantasic report, and I praise the decision. True, Debney has had the unfortunate proclivity to dedicate his talents to alot of lesser fare in the past. Certanly those superfluous comedy and family films are indeed beneath him and frankly do not deserve nor require great music. But when he's gets his shots he really makes the most of them. All doubters should educate themselves to his scores for Cutthroat Island, SeaQuest DSV, The Halloween Tree, The Relic, Sudden Death, End Of Days, Dragonfly, Passion Of The Christ, The Stoning Of Soraya M., Elf, Zathura and especially his work on the video game Lair. Awesome stuff. This is great news after having to endure Ramin Djawadi's lackluster, themeless, meandering flat-rock. Debney's a legitimate classically trained composer and is as versatile as they come, I hope all defamers will have the common courtesy to step forth and admit their blunder after Debney dips this thing in some serious heat! Oh...and if you all are going to spew hate, at leat have the fortitude to back it up with some intelligent debate citing specific examples of your grievance instead of throwing words like "retard" and "temp hack" around. Do also remember; those remorseless souls who recklessly sling mud unabashed are usually inarticulate cowards, mmm kay?
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Re: "He doesn't seemed to have gotten the memo on the first IM."He didn't score the first Iron Man! The composer was Ramin Djawadi (yes, whoever the fuck that is). Hence this story.
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Jul 15, 2009 11:24:59 PM CDT
Every GOOD film Debney has scored has turned out great.
by the_genteel_gentile
(there that makes more sense, sorry.) When the material is there he has always rose to the occasion. And as far as Debney being a serial plagerist, cite an example beyond SeaQuest=King Of Kings, because there a bunch of scores that steal from that one (Battlestar Galactica, Beastmaster, Mummy Returns).
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I don't know anything Debney has done and I don't remember jack squat from Ramin Djawadi (who didn't get the memo).
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I heard Debney's score for "The Stoning of Soraya M" after seeing the film, and thought it was great. Strong, melodic, gently passionate, and articulate.
Hopefully he'll step up to the plate and hit one out of the park. Musically speaking.
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When I was little I had a dream I opened the front front door of my house and I was in outerspace, like most of my dreams. there seemed to movie movie style edits. because when I opened my front door and saw outerspace. it cut to a shot of my house floating through outerspace. I never forgot that dream. I never read the zathura book either either. It was just something my mind conjured up. so imagine my surprise, having never heard of the book and then seeing the trailer for the Zathura movie. i said, that's like my dream! I've also had dreams where i open the window curtains and my house is on the moon.
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I'll be damn if I go pick up some chick and she's like " Oh what's that your listenin' to?"
"Oh baby, I thought you knew? That's that new shit from Debney. That Iron Man 2 shit." " Oh wow, turn that up." -
But I'm usually bumping Thomas Newman and whatnot though. But I've been known to get my flow on with some Debney too. Recognize.
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Did that come straight from Debney's bio?
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He has got no snese of style. Everything he does is a hodgepodge of other composers and whatever is on the temporary track. Listen to any Debney score for examples of this, particularly the shit of Cutthroat Island and Lair. Yes-men like him are why a really talented fellow like Michael Giacchino has a hard time getting the respect he deserve.
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Because sometimes you are actually funny.
Admittedly scorekeeper goes a bit overboard with the hyperbole sometimes but, believe it or not, a great many of us really do care about this stuff. Fully 1/3 of my CDs are film scores at this point. Which may have something to do with the fact that I'm a vinyl nut and soundtracks/scores are never released in that format. But still, some people do care about this kind of news. Strangely, the only thing I've seen and really loved that he scored was Zathura. Always thought that movie was a bit underrated. -
This guy will be fine. I approve. You can all relax.
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theyre supposed to compliment the images, not take them over. who gives a tit about "style." maybe someone like elfman, who has been creatively shot for years. a good example is vangelis' blade runner score. without THAT, blade runner just isnt the same.
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Fuck! Type-o city.
Anyway, I disagree with you, Metal. And in fact, your own words make my argument that music can make or break a film. What would "Blade Runner" have been like without Vangelis's music?
See what I mean?
What would "The Lord of the Rings" films have been like without their music? How about "Star Wars" (the original trilogy)? "Indiana Jones" films? "The Terminator"? Not to mention hundreds of other films that everyone associates music with?
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TDK and Iron Man had shitty scores, but both movies were huge
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Scarlet Johannson as Black Widow coming up in Friday's Entertainment Weekly. Let the fapping begin.
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as BW looks like shit, IMO!
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... Thomas Dolby is available. Tee. Hee. Oh, I just saw "MOON' - it was superb.
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therealkumar
"He has got no snese of style. Everything he does is a hodgepodge of other composers and whatever is on the temporary track. Listen to any Debney score for examples of this, particularly the shit of Cutthroat Island and Lair. Yes-men like him are why a really talented fellow like Michael Giacchino has a hard time getting the respect he deserve."
Let me ask you this, because I am an avid film score fan, how many film composers now a days actually have a discernible style?? I can name maybe a handful within the last 25 years: John Williams, the late Jerry Goldsmith, (as much as I'd hate to say it, and as crappy as his style is) Hans Zimmer, Thomas Newman, and maybe Danny Elfman (although he tends to ape Hermann a lot).
Now as for you naming giacchino as a "really talented fellow," I'm sorry, your credibility goes out the window on that one. I will say that Giacchino is a good composer (not great yet, he hasn't written THAT many scores), who has yet to prove himself (I simply thought his Star Trek score was very lackluster), to everyone. He's still very young, but there have been many rumblings around inner hollywood that he doesn't write his own music. He has alot of "help," and has a good team around him with many orchestrators, and his right hand man Tim Simonec. I wouldn't have used Giacchino as an example for your argument on "originality," and "style." His Incredibles score was very influenced by John Barry's jazzy scores of the 60s (not to mention one of his themes in the Incredibles was temped with Debney's Cats & Dogs, but let's not talk about that....).
Temp tracking happens all the time, and it's happened to Debney as well, it happens to everyone. Remember the theme from the Polar Express (written in 2004) by Alan Silvestri that was turned into the song "Believe" by Josh Groban? Listen to Debney's main theme to Elf (written in 2003), and you'll see a big similarity.
Simply picking Debney out of this generation of Hollywood composers who all follow temp tracks (and I blame that on the producers, directors, and not the composers), is ridiculous when you can name more than a dozen other examples, such as Tyler Bates and 300.
Anyways, about Debney, I think he's a very good and capable composer, and an excellent choice. Like someone else said, when he scores the right project, he certainly goes all out. Cutthroat Island (even though the movie was a disaster), he did a fantastic job, and the scores universally embraced by many film score aficionados as one of the great scores of the 90's. Passion of the Christ was pretty darn good as well.
The guy is very versatile, and I think the reason most people (who care about this news) seem to be doubting is because he's never really scored this high profile of an action film.
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clearly doesn't like films at all.
Yes, 'Driving With The Top Down' was the best track from the first score... and possibly the only good one. But for anyone who doubts Debney, please listen to the Cutthroat Island score. -
The Bruce/Evan Almighty scores aren't bad either.
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Comes Iron Man 2!
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is sorely, sorely missed!!!
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Jul 16, 2009 2:58:21 AM CDT
scarlett johansson black widow pics are boneriffic
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
massive cum stain in my shorts, they left
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and yet... unappreciated. Overshadowed possibly, by the greatness of John Williams.
Consider... 'The Mummy' was scored by Jerry Goldsmith. And yet, 'The Mummy Returns' was given to Alan Silvestri (a good composer, but one who himself has been pulled off projects and replaced a million times). -
Michael Jackson
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Thought it was David Gilmour.
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Jul 16, 2009 3:40:14 AM CDT
From the oscar-nominated composer of The Passion of the Christ
by theironman66
Comes Iron Man 2!
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Because I haven't noticed a film's score in YEARS. Yet another area where TV is just shitting all over film. How and when exactly did this revolution happen? There's maybe two or three must-see movies out every year, versus at least a dozen unmissable shows churning out a full season of episodes.
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I've got a shit load of soundtracks. I think last count was over 180. And the one I keep continually going back to is Planet Earth by George Fenton. The thing that really interests me about it is, first they give him the video, he scores it, and then they hand it over to the narrator. For my money, when someone can make music from absolutley soundless images and weave a beautiful theme through multiple story lines it doesn't get any better. I would like to see him do some more work in the US.
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composers out there. I would love him to start doing feature films..... and yet I would hate him to leave Doctor Who.
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someone should score an entire movie with NES-style music.
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...was good, can't recall anything else the guy has done. Hard to believe that the guy was going to ditch the original Dr Who theme and create an all-new one that had no relation to the classic theme...
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I can't stand Gold, he's turned the eerie electronic/ambient soundscapes of Who into a third rate bombastic sub-Hollywood score. Doctor Who's music used to be unique, now its just like every other generic sci-fi/adventure series out there.
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I disagree.
Sure the old radiophonic workshop stuff was eerie... but it was also not very good.
The Doctor has his own themes these days. It creates a 'whoniverse' which is so much more epic than it used to be. Sure, the show dumbed down regularly... and the score is not always used very well in the show itself, but I defy you to find better tracks than anything containing the Doctors Theme from series 4, Marthas Theme from series 3 and the Madame Du Pompadour track from series 2.
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Some guy I never heard about is doing the ST to the sequel of a slightly above average super-hero movie. No, I don't want to be a hater but that does feel better
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Just because YOU never heard of him, doesn't mean John Debney isn't an important figure in film making. Judging by your comment, it means quite the opposite.
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All hail John Debney. Actually I just looked him up in IMDB. Turns out he worked on Idlewild, which is one of my favorite albums ever (let's say top 20). So I stand corrected Sir.
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radiophonic workship music in general is just brilliant, especially for fans of old electronic music like me.
Anyone who says that their stuff "wasn't very good," obviously hasn't heard the album by White Noise called Electronic Storm. Take a listen to its proto-trip hop songs like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pTdzt7BiI and eat your words. Delia was a visionary, compared to whom all these hacks Scorekeeper on plugging are completely forgettable recyclers. -
and tell me it isn't 30 years ahead of its time.
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Jul 16, 2009 5:31:59 AM CDT
And because I'm that intent on getting you to hear this
by seppukudkurosawa
Now in tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/deliaderbyshire
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... was really good, in fact I might load it up in Winamp right now.
I'm certain Murray Gold took a lot of inspiration from this score when he started doing Doctor Who. Although Gold's early Who stuff was shit, he's really improved since he put the synthesizer away. -
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Regarding Goldsmith and "The Mummy" - it was actually Goldsmith who passed on "The Mummy Returns". Apparently, he really hated "The Mummy", and declined to do the sequel (which is kind of odd to me - looking back at the man's career, it's not as if "The Mummy" could really be considered a low point for him - he has plenty of really crap movies on his resume).
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Yea he tried to incorporate the score from the animated show but a "nod" or "tip of the hat" isn't enough. The Transformers G1 had an awesome score but Jablowski probably never watched on episode.
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Now, the other foot. Then the next. And so on...
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I think somebody should give Thomas Newman a shot at a big Hollywood action blockbuter. He lends gravitas and dramatic weight. Iron Man wouldn't be so frothy.
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I agree, JeffreyKatzenkunt. Thomas Newman is my favorite film composer, by far, and I'd love to see him get a blockbuster action movie gig at some point. Dramatic weight would definitely be added, though I hope Debney gives us some of this too in "Iron Man 2."
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Jul 16, 2009 7:47:16 AM CDT
I *did* like Debney's portion of the Sin City score
by nasty in the pasty
And, again...ANY superhero movie NOT scored by a Media Ventures puppet is okay by me.
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Indiana Jones 4 was supposed to be THE summer film of 2008, and Iron Man came out of nowhere and stole its fucking thunder. What overrated crap it is.
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http://tinyurl.com/kr6unv
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It looks like she lost a contact lense in onse of the pics.
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Black Widow looks... pretty damn Black Widow-ish. I didn't think Scarlett had it in her.
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Doesn't anyone else see that?
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Go ahead, try and hum the main theme to IRON MAN (HINT: It's not the Black Sabbath song).
As long as Debney gives IM2 a halfway memorable theme, I'll be happy.
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Composed the ST:TNG theme. :) Definitely missed.
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Debney dabbles in ELECTRONICA
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So, you argument is that because most other composers in hollywood are copycats, that somehow excuses Debney, the guy who spearheaded this behavior in the 90s?! Don't settle. That kind of attitude is why film music is in trouble. And as for Giacchino, he isexample of someone who's influenced by the greats who actually writes interesting stuff that isn't a just re-write of this cue or that cue that was on the temporary track, which is what Debney does. I never heard the rumors you're speaking of when it comes to Giacchino, but they sound like bullshit.
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This guy's music style are complete bad pastiches of Hans Zimmer... and Zimmer on a bad day, i migth had. Debney is the idiot who composed the score for Cutthroat Island, and that turned up so well, didn't it?This is the realy first bad news i get from Iron Man 2. As as somebody once said that a movie score is the soul of a movie, i can already tell that IM2 will have a bit less of soul then it could.John Debney, what fucking bad news!
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to make an action sequence and not put any music in it at all. Nobody has the balls to do that! I'm still amazed that Christopher Nolan was allowed to have many action sequencesin The Dark knight run for extended sequences with no score, and i'm double impressed na dsuprised they allowed him to use that "one note evil violin" theme for The joker to play on for many segments of the movie as well. That's how you do it, if you want to make a good movie, do whatever you need to do, don't put a score, or put a weird "un-hip" sound, do whatever it takes to do right for the movie, and fuck commercialism bulslhit idioticies. Like the idiotic music that John Debney makes.
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You think there is any composer working for today's big Hollywood movies would ever compose a score like Jerry Goldsmith's for Planet Of The Apes? Noen of those would had the balls to do that, much less the imagination! The majority of the composers for the big Holyywood blockbusters are as much the hacks as the directors and "writers" who make them. They are like the music equivalent of Bob The Orci.
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One of the worst piece of shit i ever had the displeasure to hear while watching a movie. What a fucking piece of shit that movie score was!
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John Debney is one of the Media Ventures guys.
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Where did you get THAT idea?
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The hell he hasn't. He was trained by Hans Zimmer himself.
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Jul 16, 2009 4:57:34 PM CDT
AsimovLives - I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...
by the_genteel_gentile
you're either a troll or incredibly glib and ignorant. These are not virtues. Please do try and remedy that so as not to further disgrace the great man from whom your namesake is derived.
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Asimovlives: You clearly have NO idea what you're talking about. If you think Debney is related to to Media Ventures (or Remote Control, whatever Hans calls his film scoring "factory" now) than you're simply a misinformed. He has never worked with anyone from Media Ventures, nor has he ever worked with Zimmer himself. I don't think anyone will take you seriously when you blatantly lie and spread false information. Not to mention you seem to just bash his music without any real criticism by simply saying "it sucks," "what a piece of shit that was," and also by saying "look how Cutthroat Island turned out," when that is a 5-star score praised by almost everyone who's heard it. Sure, the movie was a POS, but the score is one of Debney's best works. You're clearly in the minority on that one. I also love how you post 4 negative repsonses in a row. Trolling much?
therealkumar- I am in no way excusing the behavior of temptracking now-a-days within modern film scoring, but you have to remember that anything in hollywood, that includes film composers and their scores, are a business first, and an art form second.
To say that Debney "spearheaded" this in the 90's is a ridiculous accusation. Using him as a scapegoat to blame for something that is now a part of the film scoring process (and has been since the 80's), is wrong. Temp tracking may not be right, but it is reality my friend, and it's not going to go away any time soon because Hollywood is moving further and further away from originality every day. Composers like Debney (and just about EVERY other composer, even John Williams) have a job to do. If you boss tells you to do a job a certain way, and you don't do it, you'll probably get fired. It's as simple as that. Some directors/producers fall in love with a temp track, and basically force a composer to do it that way. Composers have one job: to please the filmmakers. That's it. It's sad because it truly is a lost art.
You seemed to have completely ignored 75% of my last post as well. I gave you examples of Giacchino ripping from Debney, Silvestri ripping off Debney, yet you seemed to ignore them. Temp tracking HAPPENS to everyone, and EVERYONE does it.
John Williams has ripped of classic works, is that excusable? (and this was before temp tracking existed). Zimmer rips himself off time after time, not to mention ripping off Holst for his Gladiator score (or was it Pirates? Oh wait, they sound exactly the same!). Horner rips himself and everyone off. Silvestri ripped off Zimmer's Pirates "theme" in his new Night at the Museum score.
If you're going to scapegoat a film composer for temp tracking, at least act like you know what's going on in the film scoring world.
And as for Giacchino, he does just like everyone else. The guy does not have his own "style." And the talk about Giacchino not writing his own music is true. People always try to make up excuses for him when they don't know what they're talking about. And he is a "hummer." He never had formal musical training, took some night classes at Julliard, and majored in film and history. Now that's not to say that he's not a good composer. I'm not here to bash Giacchino because I like his music, but to say he's original while someone like Debney isn't is truly ironic. Because unlike Giacchino, Debney writes his own music.
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Anyone who says the Cutthroat Island score is "shit" has musical tastes that I don't understand. I love Debney's music for that film and listen to it all the time. It's a great adventure movie score.
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i didnt say a score can make or break a film, i just said its not there to be "stylish" or be outlandish or to take the spotlight. its complimentary. its not even there to provide you a good album to listen to. vangelis wasnt thinking about being stylish when he composed blade runner. he was trying to find the right sound for the images. if it sounds stylish or great as an album, thats just a bonus. there are a number of composers who are stylish for the sake of style and its annoying. if you have a specific sound, you better utilize that for the RIGHT moments in a film. maybe we are just misunderstanding each other. to get back on topic -- i think this is cool news.
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What proof do you have of this (and, no, 'something I read on Wikipedia' is not a valid answer)?
Debney should've been hired for the *first* movie, but hey, better late than never. -
Howard god-damn-motherfucking Shore.
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and don't remember a single damn cue. Not saying you have to be able to hum a theme for it to be good, but forgettable is an understatement.
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It is very true that every composer of film music has been influenced by a temp track from time to time, even the great ones. But the best film composers have always had a clear style despite this. Even when they lift something here and there, you can always tell a John Williams score or a Danny Elfman score or an Alan Silvestri score, Jerry Goldsmith, etc etc etc. Can you tell me what a John Debney score sound like? Of course not, because his entiiiiiire scores are just collections of stuff by other composers. End of story. You can hem and haw all you want but it's the truth. And all Iron Man 2 will be is a big phony John Williams/Silvesri theme with a bunch of geenric action music that sounds like other composers.
Blame the "business" all you want but Debney has been around long enough and has done enough projects to establish some sort of voice for himself. Clearly he doesn't have it in him.
As for your accusations of Giacchino being a hummer, if that were true it be more wide spread than the lone accusation of some asshole on an AICN talkback. So I think I'll go on believing that Giacchino writes his music, thanks. -
Are you calling 'The Lord of the Rings's scores..... unmelodious? Or did you stop listening to Howard Shore after 'The Fly'? Howard Shore = LOTR = unmelodious? Ha!
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Check out the 'Speed Racer' score, theres far too much orchestration there for it to have simply been 'hummed'. Similarly with the 'Roar!' track from Cloverfield. But I'll conceed that as cool as the new 'Star Trek' main theme was... it is easy to hum. Hmmmm.
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Then he imitates Zimmer's style very well. Too well. If i was Zimmer, i would sue.And his score for the Renny Harlin bullshit movie Cutthroath Island is shit, and anybody who is enamorated by that movie's score knows shit about good film music.
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All i heard was some boring cacophony and an abuse of cliches score sounds that i have heard a thousand times before this last 10 years. The movie's score was the same as the movie itself, a pile of garbage. And i loved Giacchino's score for The Incredibles.
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when i said Debney traiend with Zimmer. deosn't matter if i was right or, most certainly, wrong onthe issue, what matters is how pussy ass you reacted to that. You must be some hardcore fans to the Debney hackboy.
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Simply because his name rocks.
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makes me laugh. Apparantly the things that the industry has got right is shit (Cutthroat Island score, JJs Star Trek) and inventing bullshit stories about Debney being a Zimmerite doesn't matter.
And though The Incredibles score is good.... let me please present the score to 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' as evidence to the jury. -
Giacchino's 'Enterprising Young Men' does not "some boring cacophony" make.
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But Debney is a step up from Djawadi.
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Asimovlives is not even worth responding to anymore, the guy's an idiot.
Good that we can somewhat agree on the temp tracking thing. But let me ask you this, is it so important to you for a composer to have a discernible style, that if they don't, you will refuse to even give their music a chance? Is that what you're saying? You say "the best" always have a clear, distinct style, you think maybe that's just YOUR opinion (and maybe a small minority of film score enthusiasts) on the matter? I like John Williams and Elfman (I wouldn't quite include Silvestri in that group, maybe his older scores), but I do get tired of the scores that sound the same time after time. Elfman's sound gets old with his layered "busy" music (as I like to call it) just adding layers upon layers of music going in all directions but it seems to somewhat be coherent. If that's the Elfman "style" you're talking about, and you're looking for a composer to have a "style" just for the sake of having a "style," or to make their music "legitimate" to you, then maybe you should only listen to scores on CDs, or not listen to film scores and just classical music.
The score of a film serves one function, and that's to compliment the images. If a score takes away from the movie in any way, the composer hasn't really done their job right.
Look, I'm sure even Debney himself would admit to you that he doesn't have a distinct style throughout ALL of his scores, but that doesn't take away from the fact that (IMO and many, many others) the guy can write darn good music.
If you don't like his music, that's fine, but as a pretty big Debney fan (since his Cutthroat Island days) I can tell you if you listen to his scores, there are recurring traits and stylistic improvisations that aren't "just collections of stuff by other composers." Maybe you've never taken the time to listen to his comedic scores (which I'm sure most haven't actually, but some of them are quite wonderful). Most of them sound like they're written by the same person. He has a style that I can hear.
His action/adventure scores such as Cutthroat Island, Scorpion King, Lair, his portion of Mummy 3 are all examples of Debney's style of action music. TO ME, they all sound like they were written by the same person.
And re: Giacchino, fine, believe all you want, but the guy doesn't write most of his own music. And if we're talking about style's, he DEFINITELY doesn't have a unique voice.
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Don't know about Debney, but I'm surprised no one's mentioned that Djawadi was trained by Zimmer and Zimmer produced Iron Man's score.And if I might add, the Iron Man score wasn't all that bad. Driving with the Top Down was the best track, but Mark II and Merchant of Death also have some recommendable qualities, in addition to a few other pieces. If the Mark II piece were drawn out into something much longer I'd play it almost nonstop while I'm programming at work, it matches the mindset so well.
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you'll be paying attention to the score. That's the least of worries...who gives a shit how the fuck it sounds as long as it sounds superheroey.
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I do think it is important to have style. Debney does not have one and his comedy scores are bad. However, I have come around to your way of thinking regarding Giacchino. He does not have a style either. But he does write his own music.
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Jul 18, 2009 12:25:38 AM CDT
First: I love Giacchino and I do detect a discernable style the
by the_genteel_gentile
Second: He most definately does use ghost writers on at least Fringe, because I happen to know one of them. At least Zimmer gives his guys credit in the small print so they can benefit from any royalties and helps to propell their careers as composers in their own right. I don't mind actually how someone is trained or their method of writing so as long as the music is responsive to me. Alot of the classically trained guys who write everything out on paper tend to also over-orchestrate and become destractingly cloying. The same is likely true of any method eventually, but I don't think it has to be one way or another. If synthesizers and humming gets you there, if surrounding yourself with young protege apprentices begets that creative atmosphere, then I say; "so be it". I think Zimmer is a more instinctual composer and actually comes from a more honest place then he is being given credit for. I personally find Zimmer's music to be more emotionally moving than the technically superior classical approaches of alot of more esteemed composers. On that level I have alot of admiration for Zimmer. Zimmer definetly took what was going on with Harold Faltermeyer, Vangelis, John Carpernder and Tangerine Dream, and successfully created his own unique style of film composition that is aped by most composers now whether they be Media-Ventures/Remote-Control or not. I mean everyone knows even the great John Williams stole from Zimmer's Thin Red Line for the very best portion of his entire score to Revenge Of The Sith. Say what you will, but aside from using collaborators, Zimmer never gets accused of ripping anyone off beyond himself unless it's a deliberate homage (as he's done a couple of times to Morricone). And lest we forget (or are just too stubborn to admit) Zimmer has actually produced some very good composers also, John Powell and Mark Mancina being chief among them. Unfortunely Ramin Djwadi is not among his best offspring, which is why John Debney is such a cause for celebration. Whatever Debney may lack in unique trademark style he makes up for in sheer versatility and proficiency. Anyway I don't know why Debney is being compared to Zimmer anyway, I cannot recall one instance where they could be similarly compared.
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