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The Composer For IRON MAN 2 Will Be...

Greetings! ScoreKeeper here with a rivet of scoring news forged in heavy metal from the most clandestine laboratories of Stark Industries. The composer for IRON MAN 2 (2010) will be John Debney.

The pairing of Debney with director Jon Favreau will mark the third time the two have collaborated together. Their two prior films were ELF (2003) and ZATHURA: A SPACE ADVENTURE (2005). Personally I’m thrilled by the selection! Debney is a fine craftsman who can provide the necessary unrestrained wallop of adventurous emotion crucial for a comic book superhero adaptation. He’s a virtuosic melodist, a dazzling painter of kaleidoscopic orchestration, and an auteur of classic cinematic scoring. IRON MAN 2 is already one of the most anticipated movies of 2010. It may also be one of the most anticipated scores of 2010 as well.

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  • July 15, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Well this is

    by Johnny T Williams

    damn cool news.

  • July 15, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Anything but those hacks from RC...

    by Johnny T Williams

    This can only be a good thing. Iron Man's score was crap. Dull, uninspired, simplistic and repetitive.

  • July 15, 2009, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by mitortilla

    I hope they still have Tom Morello Shredding in some parts.

  • July 15, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I thought you were gonna tell me Mozart had this puppy

    by SoylentMean

    Zombie composers for the world!

  • July 15, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Oh and when are we gonna get Elf 2?

    by SoylentMean

    They gotta make that movie before they make Elf 3...

  • July 15, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Another forgettable score

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I don't really remember Iron Man having a memorable theme.

  • July 15, 2009, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Looks like a pedophile...

    by Rubiks Doob

    really- that's the best picture you could put up?

  • July 15, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    IR1 score

    by Logan_1973

    was just ok... def improvement needed.<p>That's two big composer TB's in one week...hoo-ra for what's becoming a lost art.

  • July 15, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    The Composer For IRON MAN 2 Will Be...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...who gives a fuck, it's just music.

  • July 15, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack: crusader for the deaf cinemaphile

    by Toilet_Terror

    or just a moronic bore?

  • July 15, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I was all excited thinking it would be John Williams

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and here its some bland guy.

  • im confused

  • July 15, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    They should just...

    by IAmLegolas

    ... keep playing Black Sabbath's IRON MAN throughout while Iron Man's fucking shit up. Hey, it'll be better than Transformers 2 and GI JOE, which means it'll really decent!

  • July 15, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I'm more amped to see

    by Phategod2

    Action sequences inspired By Gennedy Tartovsky sp. storyboards.

  • July 15, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    did they cast hawkeye yet?

    by alice 13

    i thought he was suppose to be in this.

  • July 15, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Locke, you're a fucking annoying twat, y'know?

    by axel fff

  • July 15, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Debney's 1996 score for Doctor Who

    by kwisatzhaderach

    was pretty amazing. I can't remember any music from the first Iron Man so I can only assume this is a step in the right direction. Thanks for the heads-up ScoreKeeper!

  • July 15, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Debney is a temp hack.

    by AlexandraDupontsBellyButton

    But let the dick-sucking begin

  • July 15, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Care?

    by Gus Van Rant

    Anyone? Nope. Shows over, everyone drive safely...except that primo douchebag Chief Redcock.

  • July 15, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Is this the best you can do?

    by Oldnewbie

    I used to turn to AICN for the hottest latest greatest, and believe me when I say I could give a shit who writes the useless score to the Iron Man movie! These movies need nothing more than background noise for a score. Try reporting on something worthwhile next!

  • July 15, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 1 had a score?

    by Immortal_Fish

  • July 15, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by Dkev00

    Thats almost as interesting as Script Girl's bull shit.

  • July 15, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Ironman Fail

    by Series7

    Not using the Black Sabbath song properly.

  • July 15, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Only retards like John Debney

    by AlexandraDupontsBellyButton

  • July 15, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Insignificant News

    by HoffmanPasander

    EXCLUSIVE: Randall Poster is the Music Supervisor for Drew Barrymore's directorial debut "Whip It"! Are you boys excited?

  • July 15, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I don't remember the score for Iron Man being that remarkable, b

    by BanditDarville

    they did rock Suicidal Tendencies when Stark was working on his hot rod. That's quality music in my book.

  • July 15, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST

    They could fucking hire the fucking Wiggles..

    by conspiracy

    and it would turn out better than the Horrible score from the last film....really...it wasn't just bad..it was fucking amatuer.

  • July 15, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Tell John Debney to write something catchy that makes you feel uplifted, and heroically bad-ass this time. He doesn't seemed to have gotten the memo on the first IM.

  • July 15, 2009, 8:26 p.m. CST

    oh no

    by BendersShinyAss

    sure he knows how to write music, but he doesn't know how to score a scene!! argh!!!!! what was wrong with the last guy??

  • July 15, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Screw This!!! Who's Composing the new Twilight film

    by DarkhawkPrime

    Just asking, lol

  • July 15, 2009, 8:32 p.m. CST

    the last score was great

    by BendersShinyAss

    driving with the top down... find it - it's fucking kickarse!

  • July 15, 2009, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Don't Forget How He Screwed Up Superman-The Movie

    by KingDingaLing

    I cringed at how the orchestra couldn't keep the tempo or the notes on most of the tracks. I wrote off Debney after getting suckered into buying that release.

  • July 15, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    i hope we finally get a theme

    by Darth_BeerFart

    the first movie had no theme, when i see a superhero movie i want to leave the theatre humming a theme, something epic like superman, x-men, elfman's batman or even the theme from the dark knight and batman begins

  • July 15, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    John Powell For Iron Man 2

    by KingDingaLing

    Truthfully the era of listenable movie scores died when Marco Beltrani and a host of no-name composers came to the scene.

  • July 15, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Let's hope its better than Iron Man 1

    by D.Vader

    "Its gonna make House Party look like House Party 2!"

  • July 15, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Horner composed Avatar

    by Bobba Phat

    Buddy of mine is contracted to play in the orchestra recording it end of July/beginning of Aug. He's pretty hyped (though not a movie nerd)

  • July 15, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    What no ACDC?

    by Lone Fox

    My 7 yr old son rocks out to Back In Black. Or 'the Iron Man song' as he calls it. He'll have a martini with extra olives, if you're buying.

  • July 15, 2009, 9:04 p.m. CST

    How about Tom Morello?

    by hallmitchell

    I loved his guitar work in the first film.

  • July 15, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Still can't get that Hans Zimmer Dark KNight score

    by hallmitchell

    out of my head.

  • July 15, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I second my previous guess of Mozart

    by SoylentMean

    I'm not sure why movie studios, always looking to cut corners and costs, don't use more public domain classical music. Sure, there are a lot of classical pieces that are familiar to even the most casual of music listeners, but there are loads more pieces that people don't recognize. Nevermind that most movie score composers blatantly rip off of classical composers in the first place.

  • July 15, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    And the composer for Iron Man 2 will be... WHO GIVES AN EFF

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • July 15, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    TDK is not a Zimmer score

    by Proman1984

    not just anyway.

  • July 15, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    i agree with the testicle dude and vulva

    by frank cotton

    who gives a shit? license some decent METAL/INDUSTRIAL tunes

  • July 15, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    so many haters

    by theironman66

    if most of u guys don't care about this news than just skip over and don't read it instead of coming here to criticize the reporting of it. don't be jackasses. anyways, reagarding the news, anyone would be better than those Zimmer rc hacks. I'm so sick of zimmer and his cronies' shitty music all over Hollywood nowadays..give someone else like debney a chance (who's a great composer btw, listen to his passion of the christ, scorpion king, cutthroat island, and his score for the video game lair). he'll do a great job since he normally wastes his talent on kids movies/ comedies most of the time. hopefully Hollywood will now realize him and hire him for better projects

  • July 15, 2009, 9:37 p.m. CST

    so many hater haters

    by Mysterious_Volvo

    if most of u guys don't care for the way people dont like about this news than just skip over their comments and don't read it instead of coming here to criticize the way they critisize the reporting of it. don't be jackasses. anyways, reagarding the news, WHO GIVES AN EFF?

  • July 15, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST

    hollywood is having trouble with...

    by RockLobster800

    memorable scores recently. Even Danny Elfman who came out with classic themes ,like, 15 years ago now seems to be reduced to creating background noise without evena decent leitmotif (like Terminator...I mean why couldnt they bring in Brad Fiedel to ressurrect and maybe even improve the T2 stuff? I can barely remember a note from Elfmans score let alone anythrough backs to the originals). The TDK score (which was held in pretty high regard last year)is pretty good, mostly for Why So Serious, but even that isnt the most inventive bit of scoring. The one note whine/buzz, though memorable and effective gets lazy after a while, and some nice touches like bringing back Bruces dad's theme for Gordon's scene with his son are terrific, but on the whole it isnt as good as Elfmans early Batman stuff and particularly Shirley Walker's work on the animated series. Beyond that I dont remember many modern event films having memorable let alone impressive scores-or at least anything above generic fodder drowned out by explosions. Watchmen for example could have had a clever retro 80s score thats stuck in your mind and truly shaped the film. and there are hints of that idea in a few chessey guitar licks but the rest of its just...you know...meh. I mean, to not give characters like Rorshach their own themes on a par with the Imperial March or something always seemed criminal to me...anyway Im rambling...sorry :S

  • July 15, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    mysterious volvo

    by theironman66

    I was making an observation before I commented on the actual news vovlo. I have to scroll through all the comments to get to the bottom of the page, so when I see all these ppl being ridiculously uncivil about a small bit of news who actually take some time to criticize something because they have an "Internet voice" to voice their meaningless opinions which do absolutely nothing to make them look credible. I think this is why people choose to go to more credible websites like /film, comingsoon, etc, not because of the news items AICN posts but the credibilty of the talkback posts, 95% of which are trolls. Rant over.

  • July 15, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    The composer of Iron Man 2 SHOULD of been Michael Bay.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • July 15, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Lesson for today:

    by Jaka

    Pedophiles don't "look like" anything. Remember that if you ever plan on protecting a child.

  • July 15, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Rocklobster

    by T 1000 xp professional

    i'm right there with you man.. Miss that stuff. Don't worry some filmakers out there are keeping the love alive even though they are few and far in between.

  • July 15, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    WILLIAM DEFOE TO PLAY TARS TARKUS

    by uberman

    in the adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs 'JOHN CARSON OF MARS'. Sounds cool to me...

  • July 15, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    THIS is how far we've fallen with film music...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...when even a serial plagarist like Debney is a breath of fresh air compared to those HORRIBLE Media Ventures scores.

  • July 15, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    The composer for Iron Man 2 will be..... Shitty

    by AlexandraDupontsBellyButton

  • July 15, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Maybe he saved some good score for this film

    by Jesiah

    I re-watched The Rock last year and when they're starting to chase Connery, and the music starts to sound like Pirates of the Caribbean but then stops short of being the familiar theme. I looked on the back of the bluray cover and was kind of surprised to see Zimmer's name. Its almost as if Zimmer said, "I have the chance to be a part of a hollywood blockbuster and to put some kickass music in this, but its being helmed by this piece of shit Bay so I'll give him a taste of one of my more memorable works without going all the way in. I'll save it for a true blockbuster, like one with that guy from 21 Jump Street acting like a drunk is-he-or-is-he-not-a-homo-pirate saving a British guy who's first name is the same as the popular city in the state where old folks go to die. Yeah it sounds fucked up, but if the director didn't film stupid shit like extreme closeups of coins spinning forever on tables and on the floor I might actually go full blast and not half-assed on this score." Admit it you know that's what Zimmer was thinking.

  • July 15, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    FACT: Every good film Debney has scores has turned out a great s

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    In my estimation this is a fantasic report, and I praise the decision. True, Debney has had the unfortunate proclivity to dedicate his talents to alot of lesser fare in the past. Certanly those superfluous comedy and family films are indeed beneath him and frankly do not deserve nor require great music. <p> But when he's gets his shots he really makes the most of them. All doubters should educate themselves to his scores for Cutthroat Island, SeaQuest DSV, The Halloween Tree, The Relic, Sudden Death, End Of Days, Dragonfly, Passion Of The Christ, The Stoning Of Soraya M., Elf, Zathura and especially his work on the video game Lair. Awesome stuff. <p> This is great news after having to endure Ramin Djawadi's lackluster, themeless, meandering flat-rock. Debney's a legitimate classically trained composer and is as versatile as they come, I hope all defamers will have the common courtesy to step forth and admit their blunder after Debney dips this thing in some serious heat! <p> Oh...and if you all are going to spew hate, at leat have the fortitude to back it up with some intelligent debate citing specific examples of your grievance instead of throwing words like "retard" and "temp hack" around. Do also remember; those remorseless souls who recklessly sling mud unabashed are usually inarticulate cowards, mmm kay?

  • July 15, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    zombieheathledger

    by manifestchaos

    Re: "He doesn't seemed to have gotten the memo on the first IM."<br><br>He didn't score the first Iron Man! The composer was Ramin Djawadi (yes, whoever the fuck that is). Hence this story.

  • July 15, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Every GOOD film Debney has scored has turned out great.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    (there that makes more sense, sorry.) <p> When the material is there he has always rose to the occasion. And as far as Debney being a serial plagerist, cite an example beyond SeaQuest=King Of Kings, because there a bunch of scores that steal from that one (Battlestar Galactica, Beastmaster, Mummy Returns).

  • July 15, 2009, 11:43 p.m. CST

    manifestchaos- my point still stands

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    I don't know anything Debney has done and I don't remember jack squat from Ramin Djawadi (who didn't get the memo).

  • July 15, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Good Choice

    by Cobbio

    I heard Debney's score for "The Stoning of Soraya M" after seeing the film, and thought it was great. Strong, melodic, gently passionate, and articulate.<p> Hopefully he'll step up to the plate and hit one out of the park. Musically speaking.

  • July 16, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Zathura is a good movie

    by Orionsangels

    When I was little I had a dream I opened the front front door of my house and I was in outerspace, like most of my dreams. there seemed to movie movie style edits. because when I opened my front door and saw outerspace. it cut to a shot of my house floating through outerspace. I never forgot that dream. I never read the zathura book either either. It was just something my mind conjured up. so imagine my surprise, having never heard of the book and then seeing the trailer for the Zathura movie. i said, that's like my dream! I've also had dreams where i open the window curtains and my house is on the moon.

  • July 16, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST

    GEE IT'S FUCKING MUSIC FOR GOD'S SAKE

    by damiz707

    I'll be damn if I go pick up some chick and she's like " Oh what's that your listenin' to?" "Oh baby, I thought you knew? That's that new shit from Debney. That Iron Man 2 shit." " Oh wow, turn that up."

  • July 16, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    damiz707 - Actually that's EXACTLY how I roll.

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    But I'm usually bumping Thomas Newman and whatnot though. But I've been known to get my flow on with some Debney too. Recognize.

  • July 16, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    "a dazzling painter of kaleidoscopic orchestration"

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Did that come straight from Debney's bio?

  • July 16, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Debney's legacy of copycat music

    by therealkumar

    He has got no snese of style. Everything he does is a hodgepodge of other composers and whatever is on the temporary track. Listen to any Debney score for examples of this, particularly the shit of Cutthroat Island and Lair. Yes-men like him are why a really talented fellow like Michael Giacchino has a hard time getting the respect he deserve.

  • July 16, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    lol @ y'all

    by Jaka

    Because sometimes you are actually funny. <br><br> Admittedly scorekeeper goes a bit overboard with the hyperbole sometimes but, believe it or not, a great many of us really do care about this stuff. Fully 1/3 of my CDs are film scores at this point. Which may have something to do with the fact that I'm a vinyl nut and soundtracks/scores are never released in that format. But still, some people do care about this kind of news. <br><br> Strangely, the only thing I've seen and really loved that he scored was Zathura. Always thought that movie was a bit underrated.

  • July 16, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    All is well

    by marcspector

    This guy will be fine. I approve. You can all relax.

  • July 16, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    movie scores

    by Metal Watch

    theyre supposed to compliment the images, not take them over. who gives a tit about "style." maybe someone like elfman, who has been creatively shot for years. a good example is vangelis' blade runner score. without THAT, blade runner just isnt the same. as an added bonus, this movie is about a rich guy who fights in an iron suit. is debney such a bad choice to make music for that?

  • July 16, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Re: Meta; W

    by Cobbio

  • July 16, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Re: Metal Watch

    by Cobbio

    Fuck! Type-o city.<p> Anyway, I disagree with you, Metal. And in fact, your own words make my argument that music can make or break a film. What would "Blade Runner" have been like without Vangelis's music?<p> See what I mean?<p> What would "The Lord of the Rings" films have been like without their music? How about "Star Wars" (the original trilogy)? "Indiana Jones" films? "The Terminator"? Not to mention hundreds of other films that everyone associates music with?<p> Music can make or break a film. It's important. Which is why Scorekeeper posted this news.

  • July 16, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Music does not make or break a film

    by lockesbrokenleg

    TDK and Iron Man had shitty scores, but both movies were huge

  • July 16, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Superhero Hype reporting that pics of

    by Dingbatty

    Scarlet Johannson as Black Widow coming up in Friday's Entertainment Weekly. Let the fapping begin.

  • July 16, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Comingsoon has a bad quality cover and SJ

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    as BW looks like shit, IMO!

  • July 16, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    F.Y.I.-IT'S NOT TOO LATE...

    by SeXX ED

    ... Thomas Dolby is available. Tee. Hee. Oh, I just saw "MOON' - it was superb.

  • July 16, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    re:legacy of copycat music

    by theironman66

    therealkumar "He has got no snese of style. Everything he does is a hodgepodge of other composers and whatever is on the temporary track. Listen to any Debney score for examples of this, particularly the shit of Cutthroat Island and Lair. Yes-men like him are why a really talented fellow like Michael Giacchino has a hard time getting the respect he deserve." Let me ask you this, because I am an avid film score fan, how many film composers now a days actually have a discernible style?? I can name maybe a handful within the last 25 years: John Williams, the late Jerry Goldsmith, (as much as I'd hate to say it, and as crappy as his style is) Hans Zimmer, Thomas Newman, and maybe Danny Elfman (although he tends to ape Hermann a lot). Now as for you naming giacchino as a "really talented fellow," I'm sorry, your credibility goes out the window on that one. I will say that Giacchino is a good composer (not great yet, he hasn't written THAT many scores), who has yet to prove himself (I simply thought his Star Trek score was very lackluster), to everyone. He's still very young, but there have been many rumblings around inner hollywood that he doesn't write his own music. He has alot of "help," and has a good team around him with many orchestrators, and his right hand man Tim Simonec. I wouldn't have used Giacchino as an example for your argument on "originality," and "style." His Incredibles score was very influenced by John Barry's jazzy scores of the 60s (not to mention one of his themes in the Incredibles was temped with Debney's Cats & Dogs, but let's not talk about that....). Temp tracking happens all the time, and it's happened to Debney as well, it happens to everyone. Remember the theme from the Polar Express (written in 2004) by Alan Silvestri that was turned into the song "Believe" by Josh Groban? Listen to Debney's main theme to Elf (written in 2003), and you'll see a big similarity. Simply picking Debney out of this generation of Hollywood composers who all follow temp tracks (and I blame that on the producers, directors, and not the composers), is ridiculous when you can name more than a dozen other examples, such as Tyler Bates and 300. Anyways, about Debney, I think he's a very good and capable composer, and an excellent choice. Like someone else said, when he scores the right project, he certainly goes all out. Cutthroat Island (even though the movie was a disaster), he did a fantastic job, and the scores universally embraced by many film score aficionados as one of the great scores of the 90's. Passion of the Christ was pretty darn good as well. The guy is very versatile, and I think the reason most people (who care about this news) seem to be doubting is because he's never really scored this high profile of an action film. Trust me, he'll deliver a score 100X better than that excuse of a score by Ramin Djawadi for the first movie.

  • July 16, 2009, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Anyone who says music isn't important

    by Seph_J

    clearly doesn't like films at all. <p> Yes, 'Driving With The Top Down' was the best track from the first score... and possibly the only good one. But for anyone who doubts Debney, please listen to the Cutthroat Island score.

  • July 16, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    oh and also

    by Seph_J

    The Bruce/Evan Almighty scores aren't bad either.

  • July 16, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    From the composer of Hotel for Dogs

    by JoeSixPack

    Comes Iron Man 2!

  • July 16, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Jerry Goldsmith

    by AspectRatio235

    is sorely, sorely missed!!!

  • July 16, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    scarlett johansson black widow pics are boneriffic

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    massive cum stain in my shorts, they left

  • July 16, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    Goldsmith was great

    by Seph_J

    and yet... unappreciated. Overshadowed possibly, by the greatness of John Williams. <P> Consider... 'The Mummy' was scored by Jerry Goldsmith. And yet, 'The Mummy Returns' was given to Alan Silvestri (a good composer, but one who himself has been pulled off projects and replaced a million times).

  • July 16, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    The composer will be....

    by masteryoda007

    Michael Jackson

  • July 16, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Got happy for a sec

    by Cr8z13

    Thought it was David Gilmour.

  • July 16, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    From the oscar-nominated composer of The Passion of the Christ

    by theironman66

    Comes Iron Man 2!

  • July 16, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST

    I thought movies stopped having music...

    by JonJonB

    Because I haven't noticed a film's score in YEARS. Yet another area where TV is just shitting all over film. How and when exactly did this revolution happen? There's maybe two or three must-see movies out every year, versus at least a dozen unmissable shows churning out a full season of episodes.

  • July 16, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Should have been George

    by Eonz_Higlo

    I've got a shit load of soundtracks. I think last count was over 180. And the one I keep continually going back to is Planet Earth by George Fenton. The thing that really interests me about it is, first they give him the video, he scores it, and then they hand it over to the narrator. For my money, when someone can make music from absolutley soundless images and weave a beautiful theme through multiple story lines it doesn't get any better. I would like to see him do some more work in the US.

  • July 16, 2009, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Murray Gold is still one of the finest

    by Seph_J

    composers out there. I would love him to start doing feature films..... and yet I would hate him to leave Doctor Who.

  • July 16, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    One day...

    by 69DUDE

    someone should score an entire movie with NES-style music.

  • July 16, 2009, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Passion Of The Jew score...

    by SonOfTorah

    ...was good, can't recall anything else the guy has done. Hard to believe that the guy was going to ditch the original Dr Who theme and create an all-new one that had no relation to the classic theme...

  • July 16, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Seph_J

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I can't stand Gold, he's turned the eerie electronic/ambient soundscapes of Who into a third rate bombastic sub-Hollywood score. Doctor Who's music used to be unique, now its just like every other generic sci-fi/adventure series out there.

  • July 16, 2009, 4:41 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Seph_J

    I disagree. <p> Sure the old radiophonic workshop stuff was eerie... but it was also not very good. <p> The Doctor has his own themes these days. It creates a 'whoniverse' which is so much more epic than it used to be. Sure, the show dumbed down regularly... and the score is not always used very well in the show itself, but I defy you to find better tracks than anything containing the Doctors Theme from series 4, Marthas Theme from series 3 and the Madame Du Pompadour track from series 2. (Although if the Sea Devils make a return, they need to keep the old creepy-as-fuck sounds that went with them back in the Pertwee days)

  • July 16, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    ainitcool

    by MorganLeafy

    Some guy I never heard about is doing the ST to the sequel of a slightly above average super-hero movie. No, I don't want to be a hater but that does feel better

  • July 16, 2009, 4:50 a.m. CST

    MorganLeafy

    by Seph_J

    Just because YOU never heard of him, doesn't mean John Debney isn't an important figure in film making. <p> Judging by your comment, it means quite the opposite.

  • July 16, 2009, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Alright, alright

    by MorganLeafy

    All hail John Debney. Actually I just looked him up in IMDB. Turns out he worked on Idlewild, which is one of my favorite albums ever (let's say top 20). So I stand corrected Sir.

  • July 16, 2009, 5:29 a.m. CST

    The old Who theme, and all the Delia Derbyshire

    by seppukudkurosawa

    radiophonic workship music in general is just brilliant, especially for fans of old electronic music like me.<p> Anyone who says that their stuff "wasn't very good," obviously hasn't heard the album by White Noise called Electronic Storm. Take a listen to its proto-trip hop songs like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pTdzt7BiI and eat your words. Delia was a visionary, compared to whom all these hacks Scorekeeper on plugging are completely forgettable recyclers.

  • July 16, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Seriously, go listen to that song

    by seppukudkurosawa

    and tell me it isn't 30 years ahead of its time.

  • July 16, 2009, 5:31 a.m. CST

    And because I'm that intent on getting you to hear this

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Now in tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/deliaderbyshire

  • July 16, 2009, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Debney's Doctor Who score...

    by photoboy

    ... was really good, in fact I might load it up in Winamp right now.<br><br> I'm certain Murray Gold took a lot of inspiration from this score when he started doing Doctor Who. Although Gold's early Who stuff was shit, he's really improved since he put the synthesizer away.

  • July 16, 2009, 6 a.m. CST

    *all these hacks Scorekeeper keeps on plugging

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Edit Button. Now!

  • July 16, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Seph_J

    by BC007

    Regarding Goldsmith and "The Mummy" - it was actually Goldsmith who passed on "The Mummy Returns". Apparently, he really hated "The Mummy", and declined to do the sequel (which is kind of odd to me - looking back at the man's career, it's not as if "The Mummy" could really be considered a low point for him - he has plenty of really crap movies on his resume).

  • July 16, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Uhm, Michael Giacchino F'ed Up Speed Racer

    by KingDingaLing

    Yea he tried to incorporate the score from the animated show but a "nod" or "tip of the hat" isn't enough. The Transformers G1 had an awesome score but Jablowski probably never watched on episode.

  • July 16, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    A nice step forward.

    by JDanielP

    Now, the other foot. Then the next. And so on...

  • July 16, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Meh

    by JeffreyKatzenkunt

  • July 16, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Meh

    by JeffreyKatzenkunt

  • July 16, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST

    ...And Thrice Meh

    by JeffreyKatzenkunt

  • July 16, 2009, 6:41 a.m. CST

    No, Seriously

    by JeffreyKatzenkunt

    I think somebody should give Thomas Newman a shot at a big Hollywood action blockbuter. He lends gravitas and dramatic weight. Iron Man wouldn't be so frothy.

  • July 16, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    True

    by Cobbio

    I agree, JeffreyKatzenkunt. Thomas Newman is my favorite film composer, by far, and I'd love to see him get a blockbuster action movie gig at some point. Dramatic weight would definitely be added, though I hope Debney gives us some of this too in "Iron Man 2."

  • July 16, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Who the fuck cares who the composer is??

    by Cap'n Jack

  • July 16, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    I *did* like Debney's portion of the Sin City score

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    And, again...ANY superhero movie NOT scored by a Media Ventures puppet is okay by me.

  • July 16, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Iron Man fucking sucked

    by Sithdan

    Indiana Jones 4 was supposed to be THE summer film of 2008, and Iron Man came out of nowhere and stole its fucking thunder. What overrated crap it is.

  • July 16, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    EW's cover with Black Widow is up...

    by The Garbage Man

    http://tinyurl.com/kr6unv

  • July 16, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    superherohype.com has the EW cover and pic of SJ too

    by YackBacker

    It looks like she lost a contact lense in onse of the pics.

  • July 16, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Color me pleasantly surprised

    by The Garbage Man

    Black Widow looks... pretty damn Black Widow-ish. I didn't think Scarlett had it in her.

  • July 16, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Tom Hanks lookalike?

    by TinkerTIW

    Doesn't anyone else see that?

  • July 16, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Debney's score HAS to be an improvement over IM1's

    by SpyGuy

    Go ahead, try and hum the main theme to IRON MAN (HINT: It's not the Black Sabbath song). <p>As long as Debney gives IM2 a halfway memorable theme, I'll be happy.</p>

  • July 16, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Goldsmith

    by Jaka

    Composed the ST:TNG theme. :) Definitely missed.

  • July 16, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    IRON MAN 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

    by Reckoner

    Debney dabbles in ELECTRONICA

  • July 16, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    ironman66 bullshit

    by therealkumar

    So, you argument is that because most other composers in hollywood are copycats, that somehow excuses Debney, the guy who spearheaded this behavior in the 90s?! Don't settle. That kind of attitude is why film music is in trouble. And as for Giacchino, he isexample of someone who's influenced by the greats who actually writes interesting stuff that isn't a just re-write of this cue or that cue that was on the temporary track, which is what Debney does. I never heard the rumors you're speaking of when it comes to Giacchino, but they sound like bullshit.

  • July 16, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    What's so fucking amazing about John Debney?

    by AsimovLives

    This guy's music style are complete bad pastiches of Hans Zimmer... and Zimmer on a bad day, i migth had. Debney is the idiot who composed the score for Cutthroat Island, and that turned up so well, didn't it?<br><br>This is the realy first bad news i get from Iron Man 2. As as somebody once said that a movie score is the soul of a movie, i can already tell that IM2 will have a bit less of soul then it could.<br><br>John Debney, what fucking bad news!

  • July 16, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Nobody in Hollywood now has the balls to

    by AsimovLives

    to make an action sequence and not put any music in it at all. Nobody has the balls to do that! I'm still amazed that Christopher Nolan was allowed to have many action sequencesin The Dark knight run for extended sequences with no score, and i'm double impressed na dsuprised they allowed him to use that "one note evil violin" theme for The joker to play on for many segments of the movie as well. That's how you do it, if you want to make a good movie, do whatever you need to do, don't put a score, or put a weird "un-hip" sound, do whatever it takes to do right for the movie, and fuck commercialism bulslhit idioticies. Like the idiotic music that John Debney makes.

  • July 16, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Jerry Goldsmith's score for Planet Of The apes.

    by AsimovLives

    You think there is any composer working for today's big Hollywood movies would ever compose a score like Jerry Goldsmith's for Planet Of The Apes? Noen of those would had the balls to do that, much less the imagination! The majority of the composers for the big Holyywood blockbusters are as much the hacks as the directors and "writers" who make them. They are like the music equivalent of Bob The Orci.

  • July 16, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Passion of the Christ score is ass

    by AsimovLives

    One of the worst piece of shit i ever had the displeasure to hear while watching a movie. What a fucking piece of shit that movie score was!

  • July 16, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Nasty In The Pasty

    by AsimovLives

    John Debney is one of the Media Ventures guys.

  • July 16, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Debney has fuck-all to do with MV

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Where did you get THAT idea?

  • July 16, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Nasty In The Pasty

    by AsimovLives

    The hell he hasn't. He was trained by Hans Zimmer himself.

  • July 16, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives - I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    you're either a troll or incredibly glib and ignorant. These are not virtues. Please do try and remedy that so as not to further disgrace the great man from whom your namesake is derived.

  • July 16, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Asimovlives is uneducated- and response to therealkumar

    by theironman66

    Asimovlives: You clearly have NO idea what you're talking about. If you think Debney is related to to Media Ventures (or Remote Control, whatever Hans calls his film scoring "factory" now) than you're simply a misinformed. He has never worked with anyone from Media Ventures, nor has he ever worked with Zimmer himself. I don't think anyone will take you seriously when you blatantly lie and spread false information. Not to mention you seem to just bash his music without any real criticism by simply saying "it sucks," "what a piece of shit that was," and also by saying "look how Cutthroat Island turned out," when that is a 5-star score praised by almost everyone who's heard it. Sure, the movie was a POS, but the score is one of Debney's best works. You're clearly in the minority on that one. I also love how you post 4 negative repsonses in a row. Trolling much? therealkumar- I am in no way excusing the behavior of temptracking now-a-days within modern film scoring, but you have to remember that anything in hollywood, that includes film composers and their scores, are a business first, and an art form second. To say that Debney "spearheaded" this in the 90's is a ridiculous accusation. Using him as a scapegoat to blame for something that is now a part of the film scoring process (and has been since the 80's), is wrong. Temp tracking may not be right, but it is reality my friend, and it's not going to go away any time soon because Hollywood is moving further and further away from originality every day. Composers like Debney (and just about EVERY other composer, even John Williams) have a job to do. If you boss tells you to do a job a certain way, and you don't do it, you'll probably get fired. It's as simple as that. Some directors/producers fall in love with a temp track, and basically force a composer to do it that way. Composers have one job: to please the filmmakers. That's it. It's sad because it truly is a lost art. You seemed to have completely ignored 75% of my last post as well. I gave you examples of Giacchino ripping from Debney, Silvestri ripping off Debney, yet you seemed to ignore them. Temp tracking HAPPENS to everyone, and EVERYONE does it. John Williams has ripped of classic works, is that excusable? (and this was before temp tracking existed). Zimmer rips himself off time after time, not to mention ripping off Holst for his Gladiator score (or was it Pirates? Oh wait, they sound exactly the same!). Horner rips himself and everyone off. Silvestri ripped off Zimmer's Pirates "theme" in his new Night at the Museum score. If you're going to scapegoat a film composer for temp tracking, at least act like you know what's going on in the film scoring world. And as for Giacchino, he does just like everyone else. The guy does not have his own "style." And the talk about Giacchino not writing his own music is true. People always try to make up excuses for him when they don't know what they're talking about. And he is a "hummer." He never had formal musical training, took some night classes at Julliard, and majored in film and history. Now that's not to say that he's not a good composer. I'm not here to bash Giacchino because I like his music, but to say he's original while someone like Debney isn't is truly ironic. Because unlike Giacchino, Debney writes his own music. I think there's one thing we can all agree on, there truly is no more "originality" in movies, so take what you get in today's Hollywood.

  • July 16, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Cutthroat Island is great!

    by bierce

    Anyone who says the Cutthroat Island score is "shit" has musical tastes that I don't understand. I love Debney's music for that film and listen to it all the time. It's a great adventure movie score.

  • July 16, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    cobbio

    by Metal Watch

    i didnt say a score can make or break a film, i just said its not there to be "stylish" or be outlandish or to take the spotlight. its complimentary. its not even there to provide you a good album to listen to. vangelis wasnt thinking about being stylish when he composed blade runner. he was trying to find the right sound for the images. if it sounds stylish or great as an album, thats just a bonus. there are a number of composers who are stylish for the sake of style and its annoying. if you have a specific sound, you better utilize that for the RIGHT moments in a film. maybe we are just misunderstanding each other. to get back on topic -- i think this is cool news.

  • July 16, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Debney was trained by Zimmer?!

    by Darkman

    What proof do you have of this (and, no, 'something I read on Wikipedia' is not a valid answer)? <br><br> Debney should've been hired for the *first* movie, but hey, better late than never.

  • July 16, 2009, 11:19 p.m. CST

    You know who would be interesting...?

    by Mr. Osato

    Howard god-damn-motherfucking Shore. More unmelodious crap.

  • July 16, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    I saw IM1 twice...

    by JTStarkiller

    and don't remember a single damn cue. Not saying you have to be able to hum a theme for it to be good, but forgettable is an understatement.

  • July 17, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    theironman66

    by therealkumar

    It is very true that every composer of film music has been influenced by a temp track from time to time, even the great ones. But the best film composers have always had a clear style despite this. Even when they lift something here and there, you can always tell a John Williams score or a Danny Elfman score or an Alan Silvestri score, Jerry Goldsmith, etc etc etc. Can you tell me what a John Debney score sound like? Of course not, because his entiiiiiire scores are just collections of stuff by other composers. End of story. You can hem and haw all you want but it's the truth. And all Iron Man 2 will be is a big phony John Williams/Silvesri theme with a bunch of geenric action music that sounds like other composers. Blame the "business" all you want but Debney has been around long enough and has done enough projects to establish some sort of voice for himself. Clearly he doesn't have it in him. As for your accusations of Giacchino being a hummer, if that were true it be more wide spread than the lone accusation of some asshole on an AICN talkback. So I think I'll go on believing that Giacchino writes his music, thanks.

  • July 17, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Osato

    by Seph_J

    Are you calling 'The Lord of the Rings's scores..... unmelodious? <p> Or did you stop listening to Howard Shore after 'The Fly'? <p> Howard Shore = LOTR = unmelodious? Ha!

  • July 17, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    On the topic of Giacchino

    by Seph_J

  • July 17, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    On the topic of Giacchino

    by Seph_J

    Check out the 'Speed Racer' score, theres far too much orchestration there for it to have simply been 'hummed'. Similarly with the 'Roar!' track from Cloverfield. <p> But I'll conceed that as cool as the new 'Star Trek' main theme was... it is easy to hum. Hmmmm.

  • July 17, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    If Debney was not trained by Zimmer

    by AsimovLives

    Then he imitates Zimmer's style very well. Too well. If i was Zimmer, i would sue.<br><br>And his score for the Renny Harlin bullshit movie Cutthroath Island is shit, and anybody who is enamorated by that movie's score knows shit about good film music.

  • July 17, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    There was a new Star Trek theme?

    by AsimovLives

    All i heard was some boring cacophony and an abuse of cliches score sounds that i have heard a thousand times before this last 10 years. The movie's score was the same as the movie itself, a pile of garbage. And i loved Giacchino's score for The Incredibles.

  • July 17, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    You guys got pretty pussy in your reactions

    by AsimovLives

    when i said Debney traiend with Zimmer. deosn't matter if i was right or, most certainly, wrong onthe issue, what matters is how pussy ass you reacted to that. You must be some hardcore fans to the Debney hackboy.

  • July 17, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Every soundtrack should be by Jablonsky

    by RockMSockM

    Simply because his name rocks.

  • July 17, 2009, 3:33 a.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Seph_J

    makes me laugh. <p> Apparantly the things that the industry has got right is shit (Cutthroat Island score, JJs Star Trek) and inventing bullshit stories about Debney being a Zimmerite doesn't matter. <p> And though The Incredibles score is good.... let me please present the score to 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service' as evidence to the jury.

  • July 17, 2009, 3:35 a.m. CST

    and

    by Seph_J

    Giacchino's 'Enterprising Young Men' does not "some boring cacophony" make.

  • July 17, 2009, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Not quite a hardcore fan...

    by Darkman

    But Debney is a step up from Djawadi.

  • July 17, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    therealkumar-again

    by theironman66

    Asimovlives is not even worth responding to anymore, the guy's an idiot. Good that we can somewhat agree on the temp tracking thing. But let me ask you this, is it so important to you for a composer to have a discernible style, that if they don't, you will refuse to even give their music a chance? Is that what you're saying? You say "the best" always have a clear, distinct style, you think maybe that's just YOUR opinion (and maybe a small minority of film score enthusiasts) on the matter? I like John Williams and Elfman (I wouldn't quite include Silvestri in that group, maybe his older scores), but I do get tired of the scores that sound the same time after time. Elfman's sound gets old with his layered "busy" music (as I like to call it) just adding layers upon layers of music going in all directions but it seems to somewhat be coherent. If that's the Elfman "style" you're talking about, and you're looking for a composer to have a "style" just for the sake of having a "style," or to make their music "legitimate" to you, then maybe you should only listen to scores on CDs, or not listen to film scores and just classical music. The score of a film serves one function, and that's to compliment the images. If a score takes away from the movie in any way, the composer hasn't really done their job right. Look, I'm sure even Debney himself would admit to you that he doesn't have a distinct style throughout ALL of his scores, but that doesn't take away from the fact that (IMO and many, many others) the guy can write darn good music. If you don't like his music, that's fine, but as a pretty big Debney fan (since his Cutthroat Island days) I can tell you if you listen to his scores, there are recurring traits and stylistic improvisations that aren't "just collections of stuff by other composers." Maybe you've never taken the time to listen to his comedic scores (which I'm sure most haven't actually, but some of them are quite wonderful). Most of them sound like they're written by the same person. He has a style that I can hear. His action/adventure scores such as Cutthroat Island, Scorpion King, Lair, his portion of Mummy 3 are all examples of Debney's style of action music. TO ME, they all sound like they were written by the same person. And re: Giacchino, fine, believe all you want, but the guy doesn't write most of his own music. And if we're talking about style's, he DEFINITELY doesn't have a unique voice.

  • July 17, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Definitely some confusion..

    by Thalya

    Don't know about Debney, but I'm surprised no one's mentioned that Djawadi was trained by Zimmer and Zimmer produced Iron Man's score.<BR><BR>And if I might add, the Iron Man score wasn't all that bad. Driving with the Top Down was the best track, but Mark II and Merchant of Death also have some recommendable qualities, in addition to a few other pieces. If the Mark II piece were drawn out into something much longer I'd play it almost nonstop while I'm programming at work, it matches the mindset so well.

  • July 17, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    you all act like...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    you'll be paying attention to the score. That's the least of worries...who gives a shit how the fuck it sounds as long as it sounds superheroey.

  • July 17, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    theironman66

    by therealkumar

    I do think it is important to have style. Debney does not have one and his comedy scores are bad. However, I have come around to your way of thinking regarding Giacchino. He does not have a style either. But he does write his own music.

  • July 18, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    First: I love Giacchino and I do detect a discernable style the

    by The_Genteel_Gentile

    Second: He most definately does use ghost writers on at least Fringe, because I happen to know one of them. <p> At least Zimmer gives his guys credit in the small print so they can benefit from any royalties and helps to propell their careers as composers in their own right. <p> I don't mind actually how someone is trained or their method of writing so as long as the music is responsive to me. Alot of the classically trained guys who write everything out on paper tend to also over-orchestrate and become destractingly cloying. The same is likely true of any method eventually, but I don't think it has to be one way or another. If synthesizers and humming gets you there, if surrounding yourself with young protege apprentices begets that creative atmosphere, then I say; "so be it". <p> I think Zimmer is a more instinctual composer and actually comes from a more honest place then he is being given credit for. I personally find Zimmer's music to be more emotionally moving than the technically superior classical approaches of alot of more esteemed composers. On that level I have alot of admiration for Zimmer. Zimmer definetly took what was going on with Harold Faltermeyer, Vangelis, John Carpernder and Tangerine Dream, and successfully created his own unique style of film composition that is aped by most composers now whether they be Media-Ventures/Remote-Control or not. I mean everyone knows even the great John Williams stole from Zimmer's Thin Red Line for the very best portion of his entire score to Revenge Of The Sith. Say what you will, but aside from using collaborators, Zimmer never gets accused of ripping anyone off beyond himself unless it's a deliberate homage (as he's done a couple of times to Morricone). And lest we forget (or are just too stubborn to admit) Zimmer has actually produced some very good composers also, John Powell and Mark Mancina being chief among them. Unfortunely Ramin Djwadi is not among his best offspring, which is why John Debney is such a cause for celebration. Whatever Debney may lack in unique trademark style he makes up for in sheer versatility and proficiency. Anyway I don't know why Debney is being compared to Zimmer anyway, I cannot recall one instance where they could be similarly compared.

  • July 18, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    New Wolfman movie pics!!!

    by jologs

    Hey All, Check this out!!! What is this??? I sumbled on this surfing the web on www.NukeTheFridge.com Who's doing this??? http://tinyurl.com/mys5d4

  • July 18, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    on the Debney 'comedic' scores topic

    by Seph_J

    as I said earlier.... 'Bruce/Evan Almighty' are both good.

  • July 18, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    MARVEL MOVIES = BAYWATCH NIGHTS!

    by EDGARWRIGHTS_PROLAPSEDANUS

    NORSE GODS FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!!!!! RDJ says: 'HEY!'