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Herc’s Giving Away Two Copies Of MAD MEN’s Second Season!!
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The contest:
In the BODY TEXT (not the subject line) of your talkback entry below, type the date you think “Mad Men’s” third, fourth, or fifth season should start.
In the SUBJECT LINE (above the date you input), explain why you chose that date.
So they should look something like these:
SUBJECT LINE: The day the Beatles arrived at Kennedy Airport
BODY TEXT: Feb. 7, 1964.
SUBJECT LINE: The day President Kennedy was assassinated
BODY TEXT: Nov. 22, 1963.
(I've also shown how in the actual talkback.)
If you want to elaborate on your choice, you’re welcome to do so in the body text after the date (though I make no guarantee I will read your elaboration, so try to keep it short).
Remember that season one launched in 1960 and season two in 1962, if that helps guide you.
The two best ideas, as I judge them, win the second-season “Mad Men” DVD, on sale now for $24.49 if you don't want to wait around for me to pick a winner. (“Mad Men” is, in my view, the best series in production.)
You’re welcome to enter as many times as you like. Entry deadline is 11:59 p.m. PT, Wednesday, July 22.
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Feb. 7, 1964.
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Nov. 22, 1963.
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August 28, 1963
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July 15, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST
Season 4 - America lands man on the Moon and Neil Armstrong beco
by knight_rider00
On July 21st 1969 America lands man on the Moon and Neil Armstrong becomes the first man to walk on the Moon.
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January 30, 1968
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March 26, 1964 Robert McNamara also gives address saying South Vietnam will receive military and economic aid.
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January 12, 1969
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Nov 24th 1963. A little less obvious than the JFK shooting but timely enough to still open the season with a "camelot is crumbling" vibe.
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April 4, 1968
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July 2nd, 1964
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May 4, 1970
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April 8, 1968. Clark innocently touched Belfonte's arm during a song. This prompts concern from the show's sponsor (Chrysler Corporation) due to the difference in their races. In the end the scene is aired intact at Clark's insistence. The special airs to high ratings and marks the first time two different races share friendly bodily contact on American television.
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May 5, 1965
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November 9th, 1965
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August 11 1965
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July 14, 1969
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August 2 1964
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August 15th, 2969
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January 14, 1963
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April 1, 1970, President Nixon signs the Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act into law, banning cigarette advertisements on TV. The law takes effect January 2, 1971. The series started with cigarettes, why not continue the trend?
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Jan 15 1967
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January 11, 1964 (The SG in question was Luther Leonidas Terry)
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April 22, 1964,
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February 25, 1964
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June 25, 1963
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March 9, 1964
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April 9 1965
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July 15, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST
Release of Disney's Sword and the Stone/Beatles first US release
by muthmedia
January 2, 1963 It's after the Christmas break, and features the cartoon rendition of the Arthur legend, and the full-scale beginning of the British invasion.
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I remember something about a plane crash on season 2, was that the day it started?
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February 3, 1964.
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February 21 1965
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July 15, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST
The Death of Frank O'Hara (Meditations in an Emergency)
by maxkerkerian
July 25, 1966. Nice callback to the beginning/end of Season 2.
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July 15, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST
Correction: Release of Disney's Sword and the Stone/Beatles firs
by muthmedia
January 2, 1964 It's after the Christmas break, and features the cartoon rendition of the Arthur legend, and the full-scale beginning of the British invasion.
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January 18, 1964
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April 8 1964 perfect since the Mad Men all act, dress and drink like Bond.
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January 10, 1964
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January 13, 1964 - it falls early in '64 which will probably be the year, and it's all thematical and stuff!
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January 18 1964
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March 13, 1964. (I want to see Rorschach in Mad Men, hot dammit!)
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September 24 1964
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the inroduction of the birth conrol pill been addressed by the series? Putting pregnancy in the control of women helped shape feminism in the '60s.
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you beat me to it!
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March 30, 1964
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July 15, 2009, 6 p.m. CST
Bobby Kennedy's Indianapolis speech about the assassination of M
by adrianmole
April 4, 1968
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July 15, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST
Barry Goldwater announces running for Republican candidate 4 Pre
by muthmedia
January 3, 1964 (Kind of goes along with my previous entry)
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August 23, 1972 <p> (Vietnam Veterans Against the War force their way into the convention hall during Richard Nixon's acceptance speech at the 1972 RNC in Miami. Attendee Don Draper spits upon Ron Kovic.)
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July 15, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST
Tens of thousands of Vietnam War protesters picket the White Hou
by coffeeandpie
November 27 1965
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July 15, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST
Lyndon Johnson proclaims his "Great Society" during his State of
by Jo3yHuds
1/4/65
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19 February 1963 The relations and tensions between men and women have always been an integral part of Mad Men and I would like to see Joan, Betty and Peggy's reactions to the feminist movement, now taking solid form.
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August 7, 2009
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July 15, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST
A Bunch of Talkbackers Copy and Paste things from Wikipedia
by Gleemonex
July 15-22, 2009
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August 11, 1965
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September 27, 1964
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July 15, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST
First manned Gemini flight, Virgil I. Grissom, John W. Young
by filmfanatic1
March 23, 1965
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July 24th, 1969
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7/24/1969
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Understanding Media: The Extensions Of Man. The book is the source of the well-known phrase "The medium is the message".
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July 15, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST
The Day Congress Passed The Federal Cigarette Labeling and Adver
by Anhedonia
July 27, 1965 Congress requires tobacco companies to label cigarette packs with the clear warning - "Caution: Cigarette Smoking May Be Hazardous to Your Health." Cough...
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August 29, 1997
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Season 5 of course.
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Sept 8, 1966. One character will be a fan, some will try to figure out how to exploit the show, etc. Plays well against the space race, which I'm sure will be part of the show by then too.
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July 15, 2009, 7 p.m. CST
The Mets Win the World Series at the Premiere of MM's Final Seas
by coffeeandpie
October 16 1969
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August 8-10 1969
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December 1964
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Who cut the balls off this site?
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June 28, 1969 (Season 5)
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February 19, 1968
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July 15, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST
Gulf og Tonkin Resolution Passed (also my birthday, no joke)
by Crow3711
August 7, 1964
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August 28, 1963
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June 5, 1968
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September 20, 1973. One of the most watched sporting events. The office is reeks of chauvinism, yet Peggy is an upcoming, independent women. I want to see how the media attention impacts the atmosphere in the office and the subsequent ad campaigns launched.
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November 10, 1969
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June 25, 1975. The summer blockbuster is born, marketing movies changes forever.
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August 15 to August 18, 1969. Height of the "tune in, drop out" concept, brought about by the likes of Timothy Leary. How do you advertise to the counterculture and more importantly, do you even bother advertising to them?
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July 22, 1968. Marketed to women. Slogan is "You've come a long way baby." And how have the women come a long way, baby? I want to know!
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September 26, 1964
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July 15, 2009, 8:01 p.m. CST
The Coca-Cola Company debuts its first diet drink, TaB cola.
by TakeItEasyMon
May 1, 1963
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September 15, 1965
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July 4th, 1964 Season 2 started on Valentines Day, would love to see the holiday theme continue
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February 19, 1963
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December 15, 1966
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May 8th, 1963
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February 2, 1964 Pete, has to manage the campaign, and therefore finds time to connect with his lovechild.
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Fucking SeptembeR 7th, 1964. "These are the stakes! To make a world in which all of God's children can live, or to go into the dark. We must either love each other, or we must die."
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June 25, 1964
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January 15th, 1967 Since the Super Bowl is now the mecca of advertising and the Rolling Stones had to change the lyrics of Let's Spend the Night Together that night on Sullivan
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30 January 1968 A somber way to start a later season.
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December 3, 1967 ... gives Mr. Sterling hope for redemption.
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December 22, 1964
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August 28, 1968<br><Br> The final season opens with the cast watching coverage of the riots outside the 68' Democratic National Convention, setting up a series finale focusing on Nixon's election (which dovetails with season one's focus on his loss to Kennedy).
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Gus Grissom, Edward White, Roger Chaffee- January 27, 1967
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January 18, 1964
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March 8, 1971. Fight of the Century. Political subtext. Ali loses.
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June 12, 1968.
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January 29, 1964
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March 31, 1968
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July 15, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST
The day Don Draper fell, hit his head on sink, and came up with
by studioki
...therefore making time travel possible. August 4, 1965
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...therefore making time travel possible. August 4, 1965
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...therefore making time travel possible. August 4, 1965
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July 15, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST
Season 3- Texas Jury finds Jack Ruby guilty of killing Oswald
by drewscif
March 14, 1964
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July 15, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST
"You're in the Pepsi Generation" advertising campaign launches
by cplwacky
Early 1963 (couldn't find an exact date) According to several sources, the campaign was considered one of the most significant demographic events in commercial history because it made the post-war baby boom a social and marketplace phenomenon. and it was the first time a product was identified, not so much by its attributes, as by its consumers' lifestyles. Works perfect with the baby on the way in the plot line, and the focus on "youth" that changes everything.
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April 22, 1964
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June 25, 1964
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July 10, 1965
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July 15, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST
In his first State of the Union Address, U.S. President Lyndon J
by RedJester
January 8, 1964 As those of us who watch the show know, Don Draper grew up in a dirt poor family on the wrong side of the tracks and this has always been his achilles heel in one way or another. Having Lyndons speech playing on the tv as Don has flashbacks of the homeless man who visited when he was young as well as flashbacks of his little brother would be a great way for him to come to terms with his past as well as serve as a great centerpiece for the episode.
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October 1970
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January 22nd 1973
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Sorry about the two parter...
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November 5th, 1968
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January 18, 1964 Living in New York, this event would clearly spark the imaginations of creatives and non creatives alike. Events such as this (and landing on the moon) are what I feel truly kickstarted the Golden Age of Advertising.
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July 15, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST
Smith and Carlos raise a black power salute at the Olympics
by Wolverine's Dad
October 16th, 1968
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August 29, 1968. Guess I'm not the only one with this thought
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October 22, 1963. Season runs the month leading up to the assassination.
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March 8, 1965
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July 15, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST
The Russians launch Elektron I and II using a single propulsion
by Quin the Eskimo
January 29 1964 <p> The same day the US Ranger 6 crashes on the moon. Four days later The Beatles are on the top of the charts with "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" Highlights the interesting duality of the era.
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September 8th, 1966
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July 15, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST
John Lennon says the Beatles are more popular than Jesus
by Wolverine's Dad
March 4th 1966
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April 4th 1964 I could see Don not taking this account seriously, forcing the 3 very young founders of BLIMPIE to go with another Ad Agency. Don would probably think nothing of it until he and his son are at the grand opening of Shea Stadium later that month where a Blimpie vender comes around to their seats and Dons son asks his dad for one, Fade to Black.
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July 15, 2009, 9:57 p.m. CST
Thurgood Marshall is nominated for the Supreme Court
by Wolverine's Dad
June 13th, 1967
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August 27 1964 This could coincide with a decision by the Drapers to get a full time Nanny/Housekeeper. The episode would consist of the Drapers interviewing possible Housekeepers until one catches Dons eye!
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July 15th, 1965
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July 15, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST
The morning after the Beatles appear on the Ed Sullivan Show
by Scorpio678
Season 3 - February 10, 1964
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19 February 1963
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July 14, 1969
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June 17, 1972
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December 21, 1967
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September 7, 1964 This is the link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf-MEdAPhYA If you like Madmen, you all really owe it to yourselves to check it out. Perfect example of what's called a scare-spot. The campaign commercial called "Ice Cream" is equally appalling. It is essentially saying Barry Goldwater wants your kids to get radioactive sickness and die. No joke!
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March 29, 1968. Time to make Mad Men the culmination of the never realized show "Assignment: Earth"
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Don Draper with water up to his knees.....Bob Dylan lyrics: "Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown"
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July 16, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST
The Final Looney Tune, "Señorella and the Glass Huarache", is re
by schickouttashape
August 1, 1964. (For Season 4)
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July 16, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST
Final Looney Tune released, WB Cartoon Division shut down.
by schickouttashape
August 1, 1964. (For Season 4)
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April 6, 1968
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July 16, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST
New 1963 Corvette Sting Ray Advertising Appears in Esquire
by Domingo_Montoya
December 18, 1962 Tag line: "Only a man with a heart of stone could withstand temptation like this"
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August 9, 1974 Since the show started with Nixon starting his presidential run, only fitting that the series end with him, resigning.
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April 14, 1965<P>for those who don't know or don't remember Richard Hickock and Perry Smith were the IN COLD BLOOD killers
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Friday August 30, 1963. - The Friday before the Labor day weekend. Just after King's march and speech. The last hurrah before all parties come back to NY to settle for a winter of discontent. <p> By this time, Betty would have had the baby (or not) and be dealing with an infant. That means no awkward pregnancy acting for January Jones. <p> The time sets up a 'back to work' feel after the discord and fugue of last season. All the characters may get back to some normalcy and then get hit in the gut with Kennedy's assasination in November for Act Two of the season.
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Back to the Future IV.While attending the New York Auto show in 1964 Don meets Doc Brown who arrives in his Time Traveling DeLorean and brings Don to the twenty-first century. He shows Don that by encouraging and supporting Peggy he has created a monster. <P> Peggy is responsible for a shallow world where all the kids are fat, Micheal Bay movies are number one at the box office, Paris Hilton is a celebrity, and a pussy like Shia LaBeouf is considered an action star. <P> At the end of the Movie Don meets his future self a senile, drunk pathetic old man with AIDS,herpes,cancer and genital warts. The Beatles "In My Life" plays over the end credits.
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December 14, 1963 <p> It is a John F Kennedy Memorial. <p> The Saturday Evening Post, having published over 300 of Normal Rockwell's covers, decides to abandon putting paintings on its front covers. <p> The magazine's attempt to update its image does not significantly increase circulation or advertising revenue and it eventually ceases publication in Feb 1969. <p> Rockwell continues his all-too-successful career elsewhere until his eventual death in 1978 of emphysema, aged 84...
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December 6, 1969 <p> a free concert put on by the Stones to make up for the fact they never made Woodstock - it was the end of the year, it was the end of the sixties, and it was the end of an era... <p> a young man by the name of George Lucas was there with camera in hand as part of the crew for a film marking the event, called Gimme Shelter - he's not sure if it's his footage of the infamous murder of one of the audience by a Hell's Angel - he really couldn't care less about these hippies...
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November 2, 1963 <p> three weeks before his own date with destiny <p> upon hearing the news (of the coup d'état) Ho Chi Minh reportedly says "I can scarcely believe the Americans would be so stupid."
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July 16, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST
Battle of the Sexes - Billie Jean King Defeats Bobby Riggs
by Schrutebuck
September 20, 1973 The 55-year-old Riggs, a self-proclaimed "male chauvinist pig," threatened to jump off a California bridge if he lost to the 29-year-old King. A television audience of 48 million tuned in to see what would happen.
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September 7, 1964 <p> a factor in President Lyndon B. Johnson's landslide defeat of Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential election and an important turning point in political and advertising history, it features a little girl picking the petals of a flower, which then segues into a launch countdown and a nuclear explosion - a voiceover urges "We must either love each other, or we must die." <p> the ad was immediately pulled <p> interestingly, the 2003 BSG reboot paid homage to the ad with a similar scene...
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I thought about the Daisy ad, Ali beating Liston, the Beatles, etc. But then I think in a lot of ways Mad Men is a more subtle show and would not begin with such a big bang. Instead, it would begin softer, with something that is unusual . . . like a Leap Day. It would be at the start of the year, Johnson's inauguration and the War on Poverty is under way. The Civil Rights movement is loud. Ali beat Liston and the Beatles are in the US. And I think the show will begin quietly, Don on the train, or a secretary arranging her desk, or a conversation on an elevator on the weirdness of Leap Day.
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April 23rd, 1968 / Start of season 5 Surgeons at the Hôpital de la Pitié, Paris, perform Europe's first heart transplant, on Clovis Roblain. With all the smoking they do on the show, at least one of their hearts should be giving out by the end of the sixties.
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Since the media coverage was so immense and revolutionary for it's time, employees would be watching it all unfold on television at work, as they did the night of the 1960 election at the end of the first season. Everyone alive remembers where they were when they heard Kennedy was shot, and it truly was the end of an era. Mr. Weiner said 1960 was the height of the "50's" and chose to start his series at that point. November 22, 1963 was the end of the "50's". It would be a logical starting point for this new season and a backdrop to the continuing changing times and ideas that were starting to emerge in the second season.
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July 16, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST
Lenny Bruce sentenced to 4 mos. in prison on obscenity charges
by mobilesworking
December 22, 1964
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3 June 1965
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May 25, 1977
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September 5, 1972
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July 13, 1965
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December 1, 1969. Since Dick Whitman became Don Draper during the war, it only seems fitting to start the final season with the looming dread of another war on the minds of the entire agency staff as well as Draper himself.
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July 16, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST
Jim Morrison Defies Censors on The Ed Sullivan Show
by StephenHawkingDiarrhea
September 17, 1967. Would only make sense to have the 4th season open on a day that hugely impacted advertising and issues of censorship in general.
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Ms. Holloway's lucious boobs become "self aware"
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September 29 – October 1
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September 7, 1968 - It could be the big account the firm lands which could make or break certain characters.
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November 17, 1968 - Raiders-Jets game cut off at the end to air Heidi. NBC was virtually destroyed by this. NBC itself could become a character, ala 30 Rock.
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November 3, 1964
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July 1, 1963 - Not a major world changing event, but could lead to a nice subplot about having affairs in different zip codes or the distance between Betty and Don both emotionally and geographically.
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Watch Revolutionary Road, its thes cliff notes version.
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Matt Weiner, creator of Mad Men, has said Revolutionary Road was a major influence on the show. Personally, I think the show is much better. Good tip, though. I say if you missed Season 1 or 2 go watch Season 1 and 2!
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July 16, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST
30 Rock gets fuckong 22 nominations and Lost gets !?
by lockesbrokenleg
FUCK!!!
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Did you know who did the music for Heidi? A young Johnny Williams!
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Feb. 25, 1964
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April 16, 1964
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January 24, 1965
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April 30, 1966 - Also the date that the Church of Satan was created(!)
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Or just send the emails and let us all figure out we didn't win on our own?
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The day Crow3711 announced he's retarded.
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July 17, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST
M. Fallon coins HIPPIE in article about rising counter culture
by studioki
September 5, 1965
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July 17, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST
Margaret Chase Smith announced candidacy for the GOP presidentia
by Cshifty
January 27, 1964. Roger can have a snide comment about a woman president. Shows that 45 years later there still hasn't been a female president.
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December 18, 1966. The major film to be released without approval of the Production Code.
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April 20, 1965 The first film showing bare breasts to be released with Production Code approval.
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July 18, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST
First "Stan's Soapbox" Appears in Marvel Bullpen Bulletins. 'Nuf
by Chaztastic
June 7th, 1967.
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December 8, 1965 There's no better way to show some of Mad Men's old institutions are about to radically shift than the final day of the Second Ecumenical Council of the Vatican, the event that changed one of the oldest institutions on the planet, especially one as mired in its traditions as the Catholic Church.
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November 21, 1964 - Possibly with Don driving across it for the time or something.
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I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that Matt Weiner said the show would remain in the 1960s and not venture to the 1970s.
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Man walks on a celestial body other than Earth for the first time. To show how far we've come. For season 5, or whatever the final season may be.
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I've done every single entry wrong or backwards...haha, don't disqualify me?
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Independence Day. Mad Men is a show about America. The American dream. American history. American values. All of that was changed drastically when JFK was assassinated. The innocence of the country was killed with the President. It's a bittersweet day for the country, as the Mad Men characters celebrate it's history yet look toward an uncertain future. It's subtle, like much of the thematic elements of the show.
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July 4, 1964. Mad Men is a show about America. The American dream. American history. American values. All of that was changed drastically when JFK was assassinated. The innocence of the country was killed with the President. It's a bittersweet day for the country, as the Mad Men characters celebrate it's history yet look toward an uncertain future. It's subtle, like much of the thematic elements of the show.
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May 15, 1963.
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January 1, 2525 <p> "In the year 2525, if man is still alive" <p> yes it's foolish, but no more so than some other dates on here. OK, slightly more foolish, but I'm having fun with my entries now. I think my first one was the most accurate.
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Choose the Daisy spot Herc! Come on, it's probably the most controversial ad campaign of that decade!
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Because I didn't just cut and paste mine from frickin Wikipedia like most of the bozos on here. I bet most of them don't even want the DVD. Asses. I want it!
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I found all of my entries on Wiki with the exception of LBJ's "Daisy" spot. That one was from the extensive research I've done on advertising over the years. Oh yeah, I'm an adman.
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and say he just emailed the two winners and isnt going to formally announce them or end the contest. Which is stupid. So much for this contest. I just want to know who won.
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Herk, that's very disappointing if you won't announce the winners of this thing. Especially with such an eclectic mix of ideas it would be great to see which one you went with. The way it is left now just seems like you decided to have this contest and then just completely forgot about it and never decided to pick winners.
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Hey guys, don't forget everyone at AICN is tied up with ComicCon. So, this may be a while to get an answer. Or, if someone DID win, they should post and let everyone else know.
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July 27, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST
Doesn't really matter to me how long they wait to decide...
by RedJester
...as long as they post the winners when they do.
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I guess I didn't take Comic Con into account as much as I should have. It was a creative idea for a contest and their were some creative responses which is why I would love to see who was selected since there were a lot of good ones to choose from. I'm sure they will post the winners in due time...
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yes I would like Herc to make some sort of announcement but not really sure how that should happen, exactly? <p> sure there could be an "updated" version of this talkback but... what would be left to say on the talkback, after that? hmmm.....
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...and let me know I was one of the winners. He didn't say which of my entries won but I assume it was the one about the Surgeon General declaring cigarettes dangerous.
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same deal as Gleemonex. he didn't say which of my entries won, either.
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Good Choices
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didn't expect Herc to make some kind of prominent statement somewhere on the site - no probs with the winning choices...
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Package is beautiful - kind of sad that I still don't know which date got me the prize...But, thanks. :)
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