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Don Murphy shows one negative message board commenter who's the boss... by optioning his book!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. This is certainly one way to shut up a hater, I guess. Borys Kit has a story up on Hollywood Reporter about Don Murphy's Angryfilms picking up the rights to a novel called THE FLOCK written by James Robert Smith. It's apparently about some pterodactyls or other type of prehistoric bird species found in the Florida Everglades who become hellbent on protecting their land.
What's really interesting to me is the origin of this option. Apparently while reading Eddie Campbell's blog Murphy stumbled across this one guy talking shit about the FROM HELL movie Murphy produced. If you know anything about Don Murphy you know he couldn't let things lie and found out this poster, James Robert Smith, had a book out, so he got a copy expecting to hate it and, I guess, humiliate the guy on the forum. Turns out he loved it and instead optioned it.
How bizarre, right? I hope the movie happens just so that story is cemented in infamy. This is like old Hollywood craziness.
I myself have only ever had one personal encounter with Murphy in which I got an email from him after posting something on TRANSFORMERS while it was in production. I think it was a story that another director was being considered right after Bay came on board (which was true). I don't think it was even a negative piece, in fact I probably defended Bay as a good match for the material (which I still think he is). But I got a fortune cookie email from Murphy that seemed to be written in haiku saying that my agenda will soon be revealed. Needless to say, I was surprised as I wasn't aware I had any other agenda other than wanting to see a fun movie made.
Unfortunately I lost that email in a harddrive failure (or I would have posted the whole thing), but I'll always have the memory.
I know that Murphy does troll the message boards of the nets and have seen his fury unleashed at full force first hand when he went after Moriarty pretty hardcore. So this story really makes me laugh. This Smith fellow was in Murphy's crosshairs, but ended up writing something so good that Murphy had to put that aside and make this work. He's apparently angling the project for a tentpole studio release.
Love him or hate him, you can't deny Murphy's got good taste in material. He has a talent for discovering new things and getting in on the ground floor with a lot of great properties. I look forward to hearing how this one turns out.
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Should rename it The Flock You.
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Don Murphy, you want a piece of me? I'm right here bitch... oh, that's right Don. You better run. Back to your mama son.
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Don, pls email me... I got this script that's smoking hot....
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and he is a no talent jerk whose movies are steaming piles of shit.
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He also knows how to hire just the right guys to FUCK THEM UP BEYOND REPAIR.
Take LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY SHITE. Steve Norrington kicks fucking ass as a director. Exhibits A & B - DEATH MACHINE and BLADE, both awesome movies. So the studio backs Connery over the fucking DIRECTOR, the movie bombs because it's as far from the material as possible - doesn't the PRODUCER get to take shit for that?
FROM HELL - ditto. What the fuck happened with THAT movie? Couldn't be further from the source material if it tried.
TRANSFORMERS - kids' movies. Nothing more, nothing less. Well made, but empty and ultimately NOT classics.
The only movie on his IMDB resume I've REALLY enjoyed was SHOOT 'EM UP, which was a fun little cartoon movie in the vein of CRANK which if you didn't take it seriously, was great fun. We3 could be an amazing movie, as long as Don gets the studio to back him on his choices. I don't know if it was Don's fault or the studio's, but they clusterfucked the pooch on LXG and that needs to NOT happen with We3.
Oh, and Don? I have a book called WHY RUSSELL T DAVIES IS A SHIT WRITER that you can read if you like. It's been serialised on every DR WHO and TORCHWOOD TB in the last five years. Good stuff. -
Yeaaaaah, son.
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Jul 13, 2009 6:44:27 AM CDT
WHAT A SURPRISE! DONNY TWO CHINS IS MAKING A PIECE OF SHIT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He’s an atypical Hollywood scumbag and wannabe player. He latches onto anyone that will further his career (QT/Oliver Stone) then does nothing but talk shit about them once he’s done leaching off of them. Of course Donny Two Chins and his ass kissing sycophants will show up here to remind us that his name is on Transformers and that it has grossed about 650 mill, so far, but what they’ll fail to mention is that he had fuck all to do with these movies, which is why they’ve made money, and his producing credit is a finders fee for bringing Transformers to Spielberg and Bay who patted him on the head and told him to go away. Go read about what he has to say about Bob Orci on his board. He calls him a “prince” and a “true gentleman”. This is because Orci and his fluffer Kurtzman are the flavor of the month hacks who write nothing but trash that just happens to make money and are associated with Spielberg, Bay and Abrams which is why Two Chins has his lips firmly planted on their asses. I wonder what names he’ll call Orci five years down the road once they stop making Transformers movies and he stops returning Murphy’s calls? Isn’t it just really fucking sad that despite being a millionaire and a Hollywood producer, this asswipe feels a compelling need to troll message boards and defend the garbage that he makes and that’s because for someone like him, money isn’t enough. What he really wants is respect but he will never obtain because he is a creative black hole who does nothing for the movies he makes apart from driving up the catering budget. So, some guy talks shit about a shitty movie he made so Murphy says to himself “I’LL SHOW THAT MOTHERFUCKER, I’LL READ HIS BOOK AND LAUGH AT HIM THE WAY QT LAUGHED AT ME AS I TREMBLED ON THE FLOOR AND PISSED MY PANTS AFTER HE KICKED MY ASS!”. What kind of logic is that? Hey, ASSHOLE, you won the fucking lottery, you’re a Hollywood movie producer! Instead of letting burger flippers like me get the better of you, why don’t you spend some time making good movies you fucking loser. Of course I’d be pissed too if I was in a loveless marriage with a mail order bride who wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire if I wasn’t a producer with a track record. As for The Flock, it sounds like another stupid fucking idea which is explains why he was attracted to it like fists are attracted to his pussyface. Hey DICKLESS, I’ve got a script about a time travelling lesbian alien android teaching ghetto children how to play the trombone with their feet so they can escape a life of pimping and dealing while they die of lukemia. Despite how it sounds it reads like a cross between Schindlers List, Boyz in the Hood, Silkwood, The Last Starfighter and Deep Throat. I’m thinking Michael Bay should Direct, Orci and Kurtzman can script since you’ll need people who can dumb down my concept so it can appeal to the same retards that made Transformers ROTF a hit and Megan Fox is perfect for the lead since I wrote the character as being a dead eyed zombie fuckdoll who blows Directors to get parts while having a dirty snatch that smells like stale 90210 jisim. Produce my script Murphy and I GUARANTEE that you’ll finally get the chance to perform the Oscar speech you constantly practice in front of a mirror while holding your wife’s 8 inch gold colored dildo. Money in the bank man, MONEY IN THE BANK and you’ll be able to upgrade to a more expensive mail order bitch, maybe even one who has all their limbs? Call me anytime at Burger King and you can HAVE IT YOUR WAY!!!
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Fuck, man. you're even more bitter and twisted than I AM.
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Cold blooded, but too wordy. Having seen how Don Murphy acts on his board, all he deserves is a nice and succint 'you suck ass.'
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That's all I got.
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Wow is it that time again already?
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Jul 13, 2009 7:29:19 AM CDT
ONCE AGAIN, A PICTURE OF MURPHY AND HIS WIFE....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Remove any spaces... http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1213/murphyandbitch.jpg
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At least link to the blog when posting the story:
http://eddiecampbell.blogspot.com/
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Fuck...is Don Murphy TITBAG??
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Titbag is just some dude who called you out on your horrid shtick. Not Don Murphy.
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It doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to realize that a movie about giant robots fighting which has a huge fucking fan base will make coin. WHAT A FUCKING GAMBLE, DON! You are truly a VISIONARY! p.s. I have no agenda.
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sounds like it should be on SYFY and have C. Thomas Howell or Lou Diamond Phillips starring in it.
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Jul 13, 2009 8:00:57 AM CDT
Cobra--Kai, TITBAG SOUNDS TO INTELLECTUAL TO BE MURPHY!!!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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just reading your post and you mention they are making a We3 movie,i had no idea bout this but loved the book,you have any more details on it? id appreciate it cheers.
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....LET'S BE HONEST - And Don, I do hope you read this. The plain and simple fact is most of the movies you produce are utter shit. Shoot Em Up? The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? From Hell? Just because you made a few decent films early on (Natural Born Killers and Apt Pupil) which benefited greatly from savvy casting, does NOT mean you know how to produce a film. You should be bitch slapped once an hour for the Extraordinary Gentlemen abortion. What a massive mongolian clusterfuck on an epic scale.
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http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/michael-bay-wants-to-get-facts-straight/
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"LET'S GET SOME FACTS STRAIGHT
06/29/2007 11:20 PM
The movie is over.
Wow that was a hard one, but I must tell you it was so much fun. The most difficult actors I’ve ever worked with, besides Bruce Willis, are Optimus Prime and Bumblebee. They took every single one of my days for a year. But they are well worth the work. I’ve just traveled 36,000 miles around the world (in two weeks) and had the most amazing premiere at the Taormina film festival in an ancient, Greek-built theatre that existed well before the birth of Christ. I loved seeing the reactions to the film from so many different cultures. This movie really travels around the world. I’m so excited for everyone to see it. Thanks to all you that supported me on this film.
Just so I set the story straight, my budget started at $145 Million, it crept to $150 and some change – I’m very proud of that – the fact that we are half the cost of all these other summer blockbusters. I see people doubt that out on the net, but anyone want to challenge me I’ll put a ten thousand dollar bet down on the table right now.
Even when the studio tried to ship me out to Canada or shoot down with Aussies - I looked but I knew we were dead up there. I needed my crew that I have been loyal to for years, they are the best in the world. Besides I believe American movies that portray America, should be made in America. I cut my fee 30% so I could make this at home. I knew this was right for the movie so I asked the other producers to join – Ian and Lorenzo did, and the two others (that came attached to the project) Tom Desanto and Don Murphy did not. That was my introduction to them – they did not want any part of their fee going to make a better movie. Things like that don’t usually sit well with me.
Now that the movie is done I get strange questions from the press. Like 'how did Tom control the set'? What? 'How did Tom and Don control you?' What the fuck. 'How was it working with Tom and Don who knew Transformers so well?' 'We heard Tom wrote the story – he had a 90 page treatment, right?' Okay stop. Let me take you back in time. Tom and Don are very nice guys, but let’s get some facts straight.
Tom had one creative meeting with me for one hour and ten minutes to be exact about a year ago. He told he was the über fan boy and was going to protect me from the minefields. The type of minefields on the Net like 'Damn you Michael Bay' 'You wrecked my childhood Michael Bay' and other various web death threats I received. Tom proceeded to tell me how much he had problems with the robot designs and script issues. I realized he was worlds apart in my vision. I said thank you very much, and then showed him my office door - I never really spoke to him again other then to mutter hello. He would occasionally come to the set with guests like it was some theme park. I never spoke creatively with Don. I read his notes kind of trashing the script and making me and the writers feel like a big shit pile. But during production Don was nice to me, he knew I was not going to talk creative with him.
One day not too long ago, the writers of our movie Alex and Bob called me in a panic saying all of a sudden after the movie was almost finished in post that Tom was applying for writer's or story credit. I was appalled because neither the writer’s nor I ever saw any treatment. Well, he applied for credit, but the Writer’s Guild shot him down, denied him.
But what made my blood curl was something that was on the Net with Tom at the Saturn awards on IESB.net where they interviewed him about the movie – a movie I might add he had not seen yet. He acted very much like he did. Check it out as he vamps through the questions, and how Hugo put his 'thumb print on it'. Give me a break, the guy was lying through his teeth - he had seen nada, nothing, until the press screening.
So that’s the real truth, I had to say it, cause I'm tired of answering these questions.
What these guys did do was stuck with a ‘silly toy movie’ and pushed it around town and kept the faith after everyone turned them down, always with the hope that maybe someone somewhere would make it. Now I commend them on that. Hats off to them, but trying to taking creative credit in the press let me just say it – irks me. Too many credits are given to too many people who had nothing to do with the movie. Hell, even investment bankers with not the slightest idea of how to make a movie all of a sudden are big producers in town.
I guess that’s how it goes in Hollywood.
Michael Bay"
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Is that Don dedicates it, "CharlesThomasMathews1978, I'm sending you some of the profits to upgrade your digs in your mom's basement, Love Don."
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Talkbacker with no name / TITBAG / Don Murphy = the same fucking person!
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And Michael Bay really IS the most iconic visionary in Hollywood. If he learned how to apply contrast, ...to add lows to his incredible highs within the context of a great story and script, there would be no stopping him.
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...I liked LXG. If you're reading this Mr. Murphy, we're not all cynical jerks.
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Jul 13, 2009 9:06:28 AM CDT
Ha! When I clicked on this story, I thought it WAS going to be a
by turdontherun
Or some other ne'er-do-well who frequents these boards. That would have been hilarious.Don Murphy options "HOW TO FIST A GOAT" by TITBAG. A guaranteed summer blockbuster if ever there was one!
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Fucking corporate bureaucratical douchebags coming between you and getting actresses to audition for your vision by washing your Ferrari. Tell those bitches where to stick their parasitic leeching from the supple teat of art and blowdried hair.
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is that he continues to this day to insist that League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is much loved by some people and was a huge hit. I don't even know people who think it's okay. I also cannot ever recall having been at anyone's place ever and noticing they have a DVD of LXG. I promise you in five minutes he'll be posting here a breakdown of its finances and how loved it is by EvilVader1137 in Tewkesbury Mass
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Don Murphy guarantees a whole new generation of juggalo / Call of Duty / UFC overweight dorkwads will be polishing his knob at his website for the next few years, hoping to get him to make their visionary script about Star Rangers and the Battle Of Kansas.
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is that he was slapped around the chops and humiliated in a restaurant by Quentin Tarantino. If you cower in terror from Cokey T (who looks like he couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag), then you are truly pathetic.
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encephalitis. i think he was the base model for the Team America puppets. let me sum up the future of this story: said writer will go online and bitch about how Don Murphy got McG to direct this giant piece of shit.
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Jul 13, 2009 9:28:23 AM CDT
THANK YOU SOOO MUCH Frye777 FOR POSTING THAT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
It just proves my point that Murphy had NOTHING to do with the Transformers films. No wonder he was soo angry in the Transformers ROTF talkback. Of course Two Chins doesn't have the balls to tell off Bay for being a retarded cocksucker but that's because QT's Punching Bag™ is a craven, spineless, asswipe who would drop to his chubby knees and suck off anyone who he thinks would further his career.
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imdb lists 10 producers for TF2, and Murphy clearly ranks dead fucking last. Sure he did SHOOT EM UP (fun), APT PUPIL (cult fav), FROM HELL (carried by Depp), and NBK (his one hit), but he is NOT a big-time producer who can bring in the bucks. He's riding on Bay's coattails right now, and Mikey owns his ass.
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I agree, this new project sounds like it's destined for SyFy.
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How come no ones opted to make Harry's Story?
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Jul 13, 2009 9:44:30 AM CDT
Philvis, THE OLD "YOU LIVE IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT" INSULT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
That’s about the level of creativity I’d expect from people who associate with or reveres Murphy. Why don’t you call me a “ferret” like he calls everyone on his circle jerk echo chamber of a message board?
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Jul 13, 2009 9:44:54 AM CDT
Hey Murphy, you suck! Now read my story treatment about...
by yackbacker
A dyslexic piano prodigy who plays notes out of order, which helps uncover a hidden code that the North Koreans use to crack the US Firewall, which results in the destruction of Cleveland, OH, which causes our nation's pierogi supply to drastically decline, which prompts the US President to draft men of a desirable age to wed young, hot Polish pornstars who can make pierogi, making them US citizens and thus reconstituting the US's pierogi supply to safe, sustainable levels. I call it HOT POLISH CHICKS SAVE AMERICA: THE MOVIE.
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that was a great read. thx for many laughs pal. I hope he produces your film :)
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Stop bitching about Don Murphy and how he is a hack, etc. If you don't like him, don't pay to see the movies he is associated with. You act like you are forced to watch his stuff. CTM1978, your hate borders on the line of rejection by Don Murphy. Did he deny you a membership to his fan club or something?
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You remember those tall, bipedal carnivorous birds in 10,000 BC? That's what we're talking about here. Super-smart terror birds that have learned to hide and survive in the Everglades for the past few thousand years.
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Jul 13, 2009 10:02:53 AM CDT
YackBacker, MY STORY WAS PLAUSIBLE, YOURS IS JUST SILLY :)
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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Instead of bitching about Don Murphy and how he is a hack or whatever, just don't watch his movies. It's called voting with dollars.
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When this book was released, he was coming to the local Borders Book Stores to sign copies. I saw the cover of the book and read the synopsis. It sounded really cool, even if it did seem a tiny bit derivative of Jurassic Park. If you can't do dinosaurs and velociraptors, do giant super-smart Diatryma! Still, congratulations James Robert Smith. I wish now that I had bought that book and had you sign it!
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Or specifically, Matthews, the same town that Sports illustrated swimsuit model Brooklyn Decker is from. I wonder if he delivers mail to anyone I know...
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Jul 13, 2009 10:10:22 AM CDT
Philvis, DON MURPHY HAS A "FAN CLUB"? WELL, MICHAEL JACKSON....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Had millions of fans around the world and he was a child molester so it's not unreasonable to assume that there are people who would join a fan club dedicated to some Hollywood hack who has more chins then Oscars.
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Some (Zedd) said they've seen what an asshole he can be on here... what names did he use?
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Jul 13, 2009 10:50:20 AM CDT
CharlesThomasMathews1978, I know- mine needs more lesbians
by yackbacker
You are a prince, a true gentleman! But seriously, keep giving it to Two Chins, he's a fucking worm.
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Go to any TB for films he does. You'll find people attacking CharlieThomas relentlessly. No actual TB-er is gonna be that relentless for fucking Murphy. And you can see his conduct at his own board. Murphy's actions towards Wiki are fucking pathetic.
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Awesome contradiction. In one interview he said he didn't fight or do drugs... then the next he says he took E while making Kill Bill. Hilarious.
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That's why I have a hard time believing its TITBAG, as TITBAG wastes more time at AICN than any other poster. And how often are the defenders fighting for Don Murphy or just Transformers in general? It seems like the connections are too tenuous to be definitively Don Murphy and not just a Transformers super-fan.
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Is CharlesThomasMatthews1978 Don Murphy's nemesis or something? The Moriarty to his Holmes. The Klingon to his Kirk.
I never seen this tb'er before but by the sound of it he shows up on any and all Don Murphy related boards and fights flamewars with Murphy's tb alter ego.
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Jul 13, 2009 11:01:47 AM CDT
D.Vader, MURPHY CALLED HIMSELF CharlesThomasMathewsMom.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
During the Transformers ROTF talkback. Wonderfully imaginitive name he picked don't you think? I confirmed that it was him through his message board where he was ranting to his drones that I was being mean to his good bestest buddy Bob Orci.
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...he had Paramount pull the TRANSFORMERS ads from this site (following Harry's call for a boycott of the film).I've little doubt that there will be a thread on Murphy's board about this and that it will refer to this place as, "Ain't It Shit News".
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Jul 13, 2009 11:07:55 AM CDT
CreepyThinMan Expresses Outraged Due to Lack of Suckling By His
by charlesthomasmathewsmom
I mean really. Murphy is a true genius. I read the Bay posting because unlike you fucknuts I can read. It's almost all directed at Desanto not Murphy- he's actually positive to Murphy. Murphy has a huge fan following.
The problem is that you all have been hosed. CharlesThomas is an unloved loser banished from this awesome site, Scorched PLanet, because of being useless and stupid. EVERY time you respond to his asshattery he LAUGHS because he is only here to spread hate because he is filled with self loathing. He claims to be a burger flipper but doesn't even have this job. CTM, Suicide brings on many changes, get it on! -
Bay said Two-Chins tried to steal writing credit for the first movie. He called Two-Chins out for trying to take creative credit where it wasn't deserved. He may not hate Murphy with all of his being (that's something Murphy does towards others, actually), but Bay was pretty clear in saying that Murphy done people wrong.
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While I appreciate that Michael Bay is very candid, what I liked most about that article was hearing that Desanto was against the Transformer movie designs and the 2007 movie script and expressed that to Bay. While Bay rescued a really poor script I still firmly believe he was and is dead wrong on the crappy billion moving pieces robot designs.
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Don (or one of his trusted Stooges) used to troll this place BIG TIME during the first TRANSFORMERS Talkbacks. He was banned numerous times and kept coming back in a vain attempt to counter the hate-fest that had started on the film before its release. He concentrated his most vicious attacks on Phategod1 and created the name, "FartGod The IRStard". It now appears that he is riding under the name, "CharlesThomasMathewsMom".Don and Charles appear to have quite the feud going on...
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Is fucking atrocious. You don't offend me personally, because you are a troll, but it really does reflect your worth as a person when you make those kinds of jokes.
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He says all that about Desanto not the Mighty Murphy. Personally Desanto is also a hero of mine. But you need to read better. And write better. And lose your virginity.
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HA! Seriously, how much is he paying you?
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Is BFF's with Mike Bay, you're right- so sorry to misinterpret The Bayster (your nickname for the guy, no doubt). Still, you should be ashamed of yourself for the way you speak to others.
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CTM considers suicide three times a week. This is because he has a worthless life. It is not atrocious. This would be a better world if JOHN PAUL YOUNG, his real name as used on suicide hotlines, finally did it. He wouldn't be missed and there would be more food for Harry.
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...He'll option the rights to Frank Miller's Give Me Liberty and pick Kathryn Bigelow to direct it. I hope you're reading this post, Murphy. And I'm actually a fan of yours all the way back to when you were working with Jane Hamsher on Natural Born Killers. And From Hell kicked ass! Fuck the haters!
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How about a sincere fucking apology scrotum? " I am sorry for writing something completely incorrect because of my poor reading skills and then defending my bullshit on a second post." Only way to get a life is to man up and admit your shortcomings which are legion.
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Not implying that CTM's mom was Creepy ThinMan.
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Jul 13, 2009 11:21:35 AM CDT
fassbinder79, you want some dressing with Don's Ass-Salad?
by yackbacker
That was pathetic, dude.
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No-one else doing this, okay? Go fuck yourself. Even if you're not Don Murphy, you're still a cretin whose resorting to jokes about someone's 'Mother' on a message board, then defending an idiot who publically admits to trashing Wikipedia.
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I don't owe you anything except the same degree of respect and maturity that you give to others. I'll admit I misread the Bay quote, but so what? Does that change anyone's opinion of Don Murphy? No, but if winning little points makes your day, you're the winner, buddy! Go high-five someone that cares.
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If it's not Murphy, it's one of those toss-pots over on his board. Seriously, name one other fucking producer who has their own message board?
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A torture porn film about a Hollywood producer with a lisp who's made films so bad he spends all day on the Internet reding every trivial thing ever written about him. His name is Sean smurfy.Then he gets kidnaped by graphic novelist Ellen Muir who forces him to watch his movies endlessly until he loses his mind the fifth viewing into shoot em up.
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Look dude...What films have you produced?
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Fassbinder79, what this guy wants is for "all of us dude to hang tight. Because what we write here matters. IT HAS TO MATTER or I am wasting my life." By you point out that Murphy is actually a super cool guy (which is WHY he has a fan base) you have broken the rule and the status quo... and of course proven yourself to have a life.
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I don't know who the fuck CharlesThomasMatthews is or his fucking mom (pretty sure neither of them are Don Murphy).
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Jul 13, 2009 11:36:19 AM CDT
Cobra--Kai, I'M CREEPYTHINMAN AND I GO WAY BACK...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I got into it with Murphy on a site called The Scorched-Planet, that I was briefly associated with in early 2004, created by a little West Virginian pansy called Jimmy Hatcher who’s mom is a delicious looking cripple. Murphy was there because SP had got a few fake reviews on AICN and he loved that because AICN had ripped apart some of the shit he had produced like LXG. Harry posted one fake review I sent in about War of the Worlds where I claimed to have been at a screening with Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg and James Cameron in attendance. I said that the aliens were humans from the future that came back to destroy mankind or some such shit, Knowles fell for it :) Anyway, Murphy reads these boards I think it’s necessary to remind him of what a pond scum ass kissing Hollywood maggot he is and how he clawed his way up on the backs of genuinely talented people then trash talked behind their backs once he got as much out of them as he could. He’s never contributed anything to the movies he has his name on apart from body odor and stupidity. Natural Born Killers and Apt Pupil were successful DESPITE his involvement, I mean, this guy “produced” Permanent Midnight which was about a heroine addicted scriptwriter who worked on A.L.F. for fuck sakes. That Michael Bay interview is proof positive that Don Murphy is basically a human colostomy bag in the shape of a giant parasite using his mouth to swing from the cock of whoever can do the most for him. He even got his ass beat by Quentin Tarantino, a guy who looks like he’d lose a fight against a ten year old girl and Murphy couldn’t even take him. Don just took it like the little bitch he is and sued QT, won the case and all it cost him was the last shred of dignity and masculinity that he ever had hidden under the second chin on his pussyface.
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Although I think its funny that such a pathetic,petty little man has been brought so low by the forces of Wikipedia. I have trolled his borads from time to time and laughed my ass off at his posts...he basically whines and begs to get his slobbering fanboys to attack people on the internet for him. For a so-called multi-millionaire Hollywood exec,he certainly seems to have a lot of free time on his hands....
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We should all unite around anyone who has produced anything and never offer an opinion criticizing anyone for doing work that we inwardly know is garbage. That, fassbinder, is the definition of a "stooge." Tell me, how is your local chapter of Hitler's Youth doing this summer? Any fun book-burnings planned?
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Heh. I like it, drturing. But I wonder if Don would have the balls to produce something so seemingly auto-biographical...
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What have you produced? What has Don Murphy actively produced like the best producers? Fuck all. He's an opportunistic snake who hasn't creatively helped anything form.
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Don fights Wikipedia because it allows people like JOHN PAUL YOUNG to edit and vandalize pages. Don produced Permanent Midnight which is a great film (thus showing JOHN PAUL YOUNG as the tosser he is) Don has made sure that FOUR movie studios no longer advertise on AICN. Don is the Warrior Prince of the INternets
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There, that reads much better.
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Chase saw Murphy's chins and said "Holy shit, can you get the makeup department to make me look THAT fat?"
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What has Don Murphy created? Nothing. So fuck him.
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Because he's afraid of his own lack of masculinity. Fartgod laughs at Gayus.
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Which, according to the "liars" at Wikipedia accomplished the following: Stiller's performance in the movie was critically lauded, but the film failed at the box office and never saw widespread release.
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Okay, so only people who have produced a movie can comment on it? Only people who have put out a cd and ended up on the charts can say whether a cd is a piece of shit or not? Change your handle to "DonMurphy'sButtplug" and we'd have more respect for you just for the honesty.
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Murphy has created the flowers and the trees and the air that you breathe. Murphy is a goal, a name we all try to be. Murphy loves you Zeddemore. Put down that noose.
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So Don Murphy vandalizes Wikipedia because others do? Nice circus logic.
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Jul 13, 2009 11:49:41 AM CDT
Wow, a hissy snit between some possibe and wannabe insiders
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Best entertainment these boards have had since Liberal Warrior ripped some asses apart. Carry on Screaming
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I think what Fass was trying to state was that it is hard to be a genius like say, Murphy, and easy to tear shit apart in order to feel fulfilled in an empty life- like you have.
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Can I take as an actual 'kill yourself' post? Because I'm sure the FBI would like to see it if so.
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He's a leech, a hanger-on, hitching his wagon to the likes of Spielberg and Bay. Without those guys, Murphy is nothing, TRANSFORMERS is never made, and he has the rights to a property that are utterly worthless.
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Figures.
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Oh, so Murphy is a genius? Such a genius that his most successful film had zero involvement from him, and in many cases he was asked not to help. Essentially meaning that his one success isn't actually his.
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The best producers at least come up with some ideas. Murphy's just a parasite.
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Jul 13, 2009 11:53:36 AM CDT
Yackbacker - that is tad disengenuous
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
That could describe every producer. Take that back!
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I can't believe this Murphy loser has defenders...
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He did shop TRANSFORMERS around and was a catalyst. But can he argue that he had any involvement in the creative process? Or did he, as Bay suggests, stay out of everyone's way?
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Not true. William Goldman writes how great Michael Douglas was a producer, someone who actively helped shape a film. Same with Andy from Castle Rock.
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who has the ball and you have to let him play, or there won't be a game.
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They are involved in the creative process, they do guide their projects. They have clout and an undeniable record of success. So, no- not all producers are like Two-Chins. And the good ones are easy to distinguish.
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Zeddmore post one- yes it is a go kill yourself post. Report away. The FBI will encourage you to end it all as well. Yak- love or hate him, every one of his films started with Murphy. HIS ideas. I see the TF poster right here on line and he is the FIRST listed producer. Theres SOME reason for that. Zeddmore post two- It was Desanto marginalized, not Murphy. As far as Wikipedia, it should be destroyed.
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Oh man - it's hilarious. Silver's an arrogant ass too, but the dude fucking fought for GILLIAM to make Watchmen. I can never hate the guy, he went outside the box -- before it was popular cinematically - to make Watchmen.
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My point precisely.
Caint tar them all with the same brush. And ya gotta give credit where it is due. He pulled that rabbit outta his ass, but it still came from his ass and no one else's. So hold your nose at the smell but acknowledge that shit is a fact of life. -
His ideas? THEY ALL EXISTED IN PREVIOUS FORMS. Fucking dumb-ass.
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...About the message boards one these sites is people bitching about directors, writers, producers when they haven't made a fucking film themselves. As far as I'm concerned Don Murphy deserves respect. He's worked with some of the most important and respected directors/talents in the biz (i.e. Stone, Tarantino, Singer, Hughes Brothers). I'd like to see how many of you have actually worked on a film produced by Steven Spielberg or Michael Bay. Yeah they're not my faves (i.e. Spielberg, Bay and Singer) but they have paid their dues. Which is more than I can say for most of the people on these boards. And Yackbacker - Its not ass kissing or "pathetic" to respect that Murphy has gotten shit done during his time in Tinseltown. Hollywood is a BRUTAL fucking business. People lie and manipulate everything. And it isn't some pussy shit like what you see on Entourage. Its blacklisting and backstabbing and a gun to your fucking head. There's McTiernan style wire tapping and blow jobs in development offices to get pitches heard. And then of course you've got the internet message board folks (and hey i'll include myself in this) who they have to listen to bitching them out. And Blue Demon - What exactly is your gripe with Murphy? And what does it matter if I like some of the films he's produced? Call me "DonMurphysButtPlug" all you want. I just get tired of people bitching just to bitch who haven't done shit themselves. And yes it means something. John Landis once told a group of students when asked what it means to be a filmmaker and he responded " its when you've made a film." And until you've made a film you're not a filmmaker. And all the bitching just makes you a critic. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. You're not Roger Ebert. You're not Harry Knowles. You're a speck on their little pinky. I was watching an old episode of the UFC show the other night and one of the fighters was talking about this trainer who loves to talk smack about the fighters but has never gotten into the Octagon. Making a film is fucking hard. And until you've gone through the process you don't have the right to say much of anything. And if you have...Good for you. Proceed with your bitching. And feel free to call me a douche, dumb ass, kiss ass no nothing wannabe dickhead. But until then shut the fuck up.
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Was a great read. The guy is so fucking passionate about his work, you can tell he loves making movies and he's smart as Hell. And for the record, SPEED RACER is a good movie. Don't you agree, Don?
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For the record, I don't hate you. I've never met you, so until I do I can merely dislike. But you strike me as an unbelievably lame human being based on how you act online. And the fact that you send these idiots (and yes, you do send them - I've glanced at your board and seen how you act) points out how lame you are. Want respect? Earn it.
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*I* am Don Murphy.
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Yes, making a film is hard. As many of us have done. And many of us have also written webcomics and scripts. So being talked down to because we're not opportunistic snakes is extremely patronising. What you're essentially saying is that every person who hasn't produced (in a non-involvement capacity) a terrible blockbuster that earns a mint doesn't have the right to complain about how bad it is?
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Yeah, I doubt that. You can write.
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If I've never recorded a chart-topping cd, I can't call a shitty band a shitty band? Riiiiiiiiight.
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You want me to respect somebody that 1) produced some bad movies and 2) acts like an angry child towards us "little specks"? I don't know how Murphy got his career going. And if he was on his knees slobbin' people's knobs himself, that's something I should respect?
Here's what I respect- excellence, talent and success, in its many forms. You can be a nurse, a firefighter, a US Senator, an actor, whatever, and if you do your job well and treat others with respect, you're aces in my book. But your basic premise is flawed. This is the ENTERTAINMENT industry you're talking about. By its very nature, they're seeking our approval and money. Murphy's job is to make movies that people want to see. Just showing up isn't enough.
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Your comment was:
"For the record, I don't hate you. I've never met you, so until I do I can merely dislike. But you strike me as an unbelievably lame human being based on how you act online. And the fact that you send these idiots (and yes, you do send them - I've glanced at your board and seen how you act) points out how lame you are.
Want respect? Earn it."
Murphy is a producer. His job is get films made and make the studios money. His coming on message boards is to protect his asset. Its not different than what Jim Cramer and his hedge fund cronies do on the yahoo finance message boards to push stocks. But its a free country and their allowed to pump his product. Its a free country to even call me an idiot and a loser. But its also a free enough country that I can have my opinions and share them on these boards just like you or anyone else. -
You said:
"Murphy's job is to make movies that people want to see. Just showing up isn't enough."
From the box office results on Transformers and Natural Born Killers its looks to me that people indeed want to see his films.
And I don't think that people have the right to bitch about our Presidents unless they've gotten off their asses to back a political candidate. I know plenty of people who bitched about Bush during his 8 years in office and didn't even fucking vote!
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If only the so called 'experts' can judge a thing, then we would be at the mercy of a very limited pool. An incestuous one at that.
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What asset? His name? He's a producer, he produces. We don't need to know anymore.
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Fair point.
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No-one had a problem with Murphy before he became a dick online. Someone who publically vandalised Wikipedia, who threw tantrums over bad reviews, who encouraged harrassment of interest posters who slighted him.
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Changing your logic on us, bro. You said we had to be producers in order to bitch...now you say we don't have to be President to bitch but just back a candidate? Okay, then everybody here who has cheered on a produce or director can bitch about Murphy, no?
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Michael Bay and his crew made the movie- Murphy had the rights to the property and got the ball rolling. Creatively, he wasn't involved- he stayed out of the way. As for NATURAL BORN KILLERS- you're telling me Don Murphy told Oliver Stone how to make his movie? Ha! Think about what you're saying!
And your issue about people voting proves my point- it's our right to speak up and vote- be it for a candidate on a ballot or for a movie with our dollars/opinions. No, to criticize a movie one's never seen is analogous to bitching about a candidate without voting or knowing the issues. Your example validates my argument, so it's time you sit back, think about what I've written and reconsider your entire argument. -
I've gotta go to lunch but do me a small favor and read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Killer-Instinct-Jane-Hamsher/dp/0767900758/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247505827&sr=8-1
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Someone up above (drturing) mentioned how those who frequent his site are big UFC fans.
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"I cut my fee 30% so I could make this at home. I knew this was right for the movie so I asked the other producers to join – Ian and Lorenzo did, and the two others (that came attached to the project) Tom Desanto and Don Murphy did not. That was my introduction to them – they did not want any part of their fee going to make a better movie. Things like that don’t usually sit well with me."
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But he forked up the green. Murphy didn't. Says it all.
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Jul 13, 2009 12:52:31 PM CDT
thats actually pretty cool of phartegodd1 aka don murphy
by ironic_name
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Hell even give him a black box. All this sneaking around under a false name defending himself is just lame. That's our job!
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Jul 13, 2009 1:00:22 PM CDT
fassbinder79, KILLER INSTINCT WAS WRITTEN BY JANE HAMSHER.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Murphy's producing partner although I know that he never got into her pants because even a fucking pig like her has standards. In the book she portrays every woman as an innocent angel and the men are all demonic bastards. It's all about how she and Murphy suckered QT into selling his Natural Born Killers script to them and how, after Resevoir Dogs, they peddled it around Hollywood until they sold it for much more then they paid QT and conned their way into a Producing credit while claiming that they themselves were responsible for that movies success despite the fact that Stone had all of his own people on that movie including Clayton Townsend, the REAL Producer of Natural Born Killers, who has Produced Born on the 4th of July, The Doors, J.F.K., Heaven and Earth, Nixon, U-Turn and Any Given Sunday for Stone not to mention Judd Apatow’s The 40 Year Old Virgin and Knocked Up. The whole book is a PR fluff piece designed to make Hamsher and Murphy look like they saved the movie and are responsible for it’s success as opposed to the reality that they were unwanted parasites getting in Stone’s way. Oh and if you want proof that they had fuck all to do with the movie then know that they also “Produced” the cinematic masterpiece that was Double Dragon the same year. Didn’t save that one with your Producing prowess did you Janey? After this they continued their habit of leaching off people by attaching themselves to Apt Pupil, Bryan Singer’s follow up to the Oscar winning The Usual Suspects. People like Don Murphy and Jane Hamsher ride on the backs of others and contribute nothing of worth to anything they’re involved with.
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listen to Creepy Thin Man. Townsend is a very capable LINE Producer- an accountant. Nice guy but he doesn't make the movies happen. They actually had fuck all to do with Double Dragon, focusing instead on NBK. But the weed that is John Paul Young spreads lies and thinks you are all idiotic enought to listen. And you are.
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Kudos for resorting to disgusting accusations when people prove you wrong. And yes, you are wrong.
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Although then we could all laugh at how you didn't use your real name.
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What's your point?
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Questions:Can you cite specific examples of Don Murphy's direct, creative, managerial involvement with the overall product known as TRANSFORMERS 2: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN.What are his thoughts (if any) on the vehement criticisms leveled at the movie (beyond his somewhat defensive post on his messageboards)?
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That'd be hilarious and possibly an internet first: giving a hated producer his own black box on a popular internet site that said producer hates.
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Those crazy Greeks...
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And curse at each other. This site's hit count would shoot through the roof as people turn in each week to see Harry and Don Murphy exchange insults. Like Siskel and Ebert but with more hate and chocolate covered pussy juice.
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Jul 13, 2009 1:19:56 PM CDT
CharlesThomasMathewsMom, WOW, DID ORCI WRITE THAT ONE FOR YOU?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Based on Transformers ROTF, it's about the level of wit that I'd expect from the man who's pipes you publicly clean on your message board. Yeah, let's talk about Townsends dozen or so credits on quality films as well as a few blockbusters and then let's compare it to Michael Bay's revelation that during the making of Transformers you were about as welcome as rectal cancer and just as productive.
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He comes to a site he hates and posts at all the time anyway so why not eh?
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Jaw just dropped when saw him on Sotomayor hearing. Just had tp get that off chest. Ok, back to the Murphy bashing
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Where's the news thread talking about it's box office numbers? You know, like we got for STAR TREK? Just curious...
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That franchise had never enjoyed "blockbuster" status quite like it did this summer. TRANSFORMERS 2 is obviously the big $$-maker this year, but everybody expected it to do big. TREK was a bigger gamble, and it revived the prospects of a once-dead franchise.
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making a movie is hard, WAAAAA WAAAA. Who fucking cares how hard it is, everything is fucking hard. Don't get all pissy because us nobodies come here to bitch just to bitch. That is what this site is for, this isn't fucking film school. Its not like we are here to make a name for ourselves. Its just a bunch of people talking about movies for better or worse. What the fuck do you expect from us? Serious knowledge and understanding of the flim process? It always boggles my mind when someone says how they are tried of talkbackers bitching and complaining and talking shit….isn’t that what the definition of talkbacker?
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Jul 13, 2009 1:59:04 PM CDT
Series7, fassbinder is caught up in the majesty of filmmaking
by yackbacker
Because becoming a lawyer or doctor isn't hard work...
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I generally don’t get involved in Internet message boards. I’ve posted on here maybe three or four times over the years, but I enjoy reading the talkbacks for the mindless bitching that they are. However, this is really coming across as somewhat sad. How many of you people actually know Don Murphy? I’d be willing to bet not many of you, if any at all. CharlesMartinMatthews1978, I really hope you do know Don and that he has done some particular wrong to you at some point, because if not, you’re just coming off as a combination of pathetic and jealous that someone has actually made something of their life. But you can take solace in the fact that you are not alone. Pretty much everyone on this board spewing hate at someone they don’t know can be lumped in with you. Bitching about LXG is one thing, but making fun of his wife and saying he has a loveless marriage. What are you basing this on?
I’m just gonna throw my two cents in, because that’s what these boards are for, right? I have been working in entertainment for about seven years and I actually do know Don Murphy. I’m not going to get into details, I will simply say that I’ve worked with several movie producers over the years and even more television producers and he is by far the nicest one I’ve ever met. No joke. Does he fly off the handle? Yes, I’ve seen it firsthand. You know what? So does every other producer I’ve ever worked for or around. However, one thing about Don that I really can’t say about a lot of other people I’ve interacted with in Hollywood is that he is genuine. You know where you stand with him. If he likes you, you know it. If he doesn’t, you know it. I’ve dealt with so many backstabbers and people who smile to your face then talk shit about you and when the doors are closed, that dealing with Don was a breath of fresh air.
It seems like all that ever gets out about Don on the Internet is the bad stuff, but I will simply say I’ve seen him do some very nice things for people that he did not have to do and I'll leave it at that. I’ve also met his wife Susan on several occasions and she seems like a very nice woman and from what I’ve seen they have a very loving marriage. I can’t attest to what goes on behind closed doors, but neither can any of you, which is why I say let’s leave her and their marriage out of this discussion.
From my point of view, let’s take a look at the facts: As far as I know, Don is a self made man, a rich, successful movie producer who has numerous films to his credit that were either critically or financially successful or both. More important than that, is that he really cares about his movies. SO MANY producers couldn’t give two shits about the movies they make. He’s the hardest working producer I’ve ever been around and he knows I think that because I told him to his face. Most producers are in the business just to hobnob and go to parties and say that they're movie producers. That is definitely not the case with him. I will be the first to admit that not all of his movies have been home runs, but name me one producer, director, etc. who has made more than two movies who is batting 1.000? At least he’s out there swinging the bat as hard as he can, swinging for the fences. That’s what you, as fans, should want, at least the way I see it. I know that if you’re not in the business, you probably think I’m full of shit and you think that every producer realizes how lucky they are and really cares about their movies and works hard and takes it really seriously. Trust me, they don’t. If Don has one major flaw, it might be that he cares too much, but I’ll take that ten times out of ten over the guy who doesn’t give a shit at all.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m just as cynical as everyone, if not more, but in this case, I saw a wrong being done and felt compelled to defend someone that I know to be a decent guy who was just getting kicked in the teeth. I know this won't change your opinions, and you're entitled to have your opinions for certain, but try not to resort to name calling and try to leave the insults to the movies or at least to just Don. For God's sake, even the mafia doesn't involve the family. For the record, I am not a member of Don’t website, I am not one of his “stooges” and I have never actually worked FOR Don directly and (I can't believe I have to state this) I am not Don himself. I have no financial interest in his success as a producer. I do root for his films to do well because I know him and wish him well. I am simply a man who has seen him work firsthand many times who felt the need to say his two cents. Please feel free to berate me mercilessly. -
From all the napalm being slung in here! Gee-sus this is some intense shit!
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Don Murphy has been downright nasty to people on the internet. Name me another producer that goes out of his way to verbally attack people? Don also is proud to have personally attacked Harry and this site- gladly "persuading" 4 studios to stop advertising on this site- tell me if that's classy. And it's not about batting 1.000- it's about batting above .100 or even being a relevant factor in your biggest hits. If TRANSFORMERS and NBK are his best examples of his worth as a producer, then he's taking more credit than he deserves from his more-consequential collaborators. Murphy is foul-mouthed and immature. He may be a swell guy to work with/for and in comparison to your average producer he may be Mother Theresa- but we don't get told "go kill yourself" by these other people. Murphy made his bed. Fuck him and his worthless fucking chins.
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Jul 13, 2009 2:26:36 PM CDT
And to be clear- Don is not above attacking people's family
by yackbacker
Mothers, etc. He's a troll.
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Having no opinion one way or the other about Mr. Murphy I will say that your defense of him while sincere, is a tad bit misplaced in this particular forum. This is AICN, and while appealing to reason is a decent and praiseworthy endeavor when it comes to defending your friend, these boards are not the place for such sincere outpouring of affection. This is AICN, and people are on here to argue and bitch and moan. Being reasonable aint part of that. But if any it is any consolation you at least provided me with a different view of Murphy. No - one view encompasses all of a man.
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I HAVE made a movie and I HAVE worked in the industry. Don Murphy is a producer. So is Jon Peters. Jon Peters is/was an illiterate hairdresser who slimed his way to the top of the Hollywood pecking order...no reason to think Murphy's annnyy different. Don Murphys behavior speaks for itself-on here,on other sites,and in court with the numerous people who have had to sue him. Don Murphy is a gigantic piece of shit,but at least its amusing to watch him come on here and put the bullets into the gun we use to shoot him with.
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So then you're (and I say you as in the talkbackers, not you specifically) bitter because he doesn't like you and tells you that he doesn't like you. I believe I mentioned that he was genuine and will tell you what he thinks to your face. Doesn't that qualify? Believe me, you may not be around the other people you make fun of on talkbacks and so forth, they hate you just as much, they just can't be bothered to post it. I'm not sure which is better, it's a matter of opinion I suppose. Also, AICN isn't exactly the most above reproach website out there. It's a known fact that their "reviews" are based purely on how much access you give them, how much you kiss their ass, etc. I would have a hard time finding a more biased "critic" than Harry, so let's not pretend like he's trying to convince studios to stop giving money to the Red Cross or something. As I said, you're entitled to your opinion and I can only speak from personal experience, we're all biased in our own way.
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If you know us long-time talkbackers, you know this is a community. There are a lot of trolls that come through and make noise, but what Murphy has done here is far beyond the pale. He brought this shit on himself- mfoul2422, fassbinder, etc. are going about their posts with respect and decency. Two-Chins could learn a lot from those guys.
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Don Murphy may be a nice guy (which is great) but his movies still suck and he acts like a douchbag on the internet.
Also, the Bay/DeSanto conversation just cemented how bad of a director Bay is when it comes to getting a film made but smart when it comes to profit.
And for Fassbinder, just because I don't make movies doesn't mean I can't tell what a bad movie is. I don't make cakes, but I know when one taste good and when it tastes like crap. I don't make houses, but I know when one is well made and a good home, and the other is a piece of factory made crap or a design masturbation, -
You're saying Don doesn't deserve the verbal lashings he gets here, but he has the right to tell us what he thinks of us? No, that doesn't add up- if he comes on here and says truly hateful, homophobic remarks then he deserves the same treatment in kind.
I don't think anyone is bitter about Don saying he doesn't like us. In fact, I think that's the least of anyone's concern. It happens to be the opinion of many moviegoers at this site that Don Murphy sucks at his job. He's regarded as a hack- and we (like Don) are being genuine in our opinions!
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You know this guy is just the zenith of intelligence when you can come up with an insult like "ferrets." Do another line, Don. Douche.
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Jul 13, 2009 2:41:09 PM CDT
Yackbacker - I accept part of that, but not all
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Yes, there is a 'community' of like minded movie lovers and geeks around here that do not go full troll. You see pockets on various boards like the Twitch boards or the Lost boards etc. But from what I have observed, the majority of TB'ers are here to see the latest news)paltry), and to bitch and let off steam. Some of it nonsensical, some designed to be hurtful. Then the trolls come out - useless except to provide cannon fodder and comic relief for the few troll killers out there.
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I love the responses "he brought this on himself" and he "acts like a douchebag" on the internet... coming from a roomful of douchebags who act like they have the ability to judge. Hilarious.
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No matter how much two talkbackers despise one another here, that doesn't compare to the overwhelming amount of disgust this community feels towards Murphy.
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Don't you have a big meeting about MY LITTLE PONY: THE MOVIE to attend?
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The level disgust at Murphy is near universal on these boards. I am relatively new around these parts, but even I have picked up on that. As far as the Trolls, well I must admit I like seeing them only because it sometimes leads to epic smackdowns. I do love me some Liberal Warrior laying into them - and anyone else who gets in his way! I will have to look into Murphy's record before I can make an decision about him though
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...is that Don Murphy sports a raging hard-on for this site. Apparently, he holds a deep-seated personal grudge against Harry because of a falling out over a particular film's development.(Was it John Carter of Mars? Feel free to correct me Don and/or Stooge...)Apparently, Don used to enjoy AICN. But after Harry allegedly stabbed him in the back over this film deal, Don has done nothing but go out of his way to slag this site and attack the members of its Talkback community.So, if he seems a little bitter and his cohorts seem unusually venomous, well...there you go.
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Get Gary Ross (Seabiscuit) to direct. It's a horse movie right?
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...or you wouldn't be here reading them, hence, you give us the power to judge you. The verdict is in: you are a two-chin douchebag.
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Dont forget,Don has a tiny,raging hard-on for that site as well...mainly because all the people he's worked with have tried to post their stories under Murphys bio on Wiki,and he freaked the fuck out and threatened to sue Wikipedia for damaging his "rep"...thats OK Donny-boy,the internets a biiggg place,and the truth is already out there.
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he seems to be saying how DARE Don Murphy hat the fat man-mountain that is Harry Knowles. Well Harry Knowles is a piece of human shit. Murphy has brought down advertising and more will fall. Bless his soul.
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Well, you certainly could use some writing skills there, pal.But I'll tell you what I am saying (and I hope that the concept of irony isn't lost on you...):I find it funny that Don and his Stooges believe that AICN has no influence and that what the owner, editors, and Talkbackers say has no impact and/or meaning in the movie world whatsoever. Yet, at the same time, Don and his minions patrol this site, keep tabs on it, and yes...even call their bigger brothers at Paramount and so forth to pull advertising because Harry called for a boycott of TRANSFORMERS 2.If Harry's site has no meaningful influence, then maybe the advertising geniuses that Don works with should have thought about that before providing him with those revenue generating ads in the first place.
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It is still A PLACE. The ads here are insanely cheap (hello Sideshow). Of course you guys don't matter. Look at how well TF2 did for god's sake. NO ONE cares what you think or say. BUT ads gotta go somewhere. And now, not here.
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Makes a movie about how great he is. Like that The Kid stays in the Picture guy, Evans something? Awww who gives a fuck what any producer's name is. They all go the way of Don Simpson in the end.
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The rest of you AICN'ers hope Mommy is making Shake N Bake chicken tonight.
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His Bio says absolutely nothing about him. That's kinda strange, right? He IS tall, tho. Which is what you want in a producer, right?
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Jul 13, 2009 3:16:40 PM CDT
mfoul2422, A FEW THING’S I HAVE TO SAY TO YOU….
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Firstly, if Don Murphy has ever been nice to you then it is because he sees you as being higher on the Hollywood food chain so it is his best interest to kiss your ass. Also, it’s not jealousy that drives me to attack him, it’s the fact that he feels the need to browbeat anyone who doesn’t agree with him or thinks that his movies are shit while using the old “I make movies and have this or that, so I’m better then you and what have you done?” argument when he isn’t making personal attacks on people who disagree with him. Just look at the genesis of Quint’s article. Someone wrote something about Murphy so he sought out that person’s book just so that he could trash that him which was his original intent. Doesn’t that come off as a bit petty and pathetic for someone who uses his career as a Hollywood Producer to assert his masculinity because he so obviously doesn’t possess any. Secondly, the only time the fat cunt shows up on these boards is when he’s got a movie out and what exactly does he do? He gets into flame wars with random strangers who have absolutely no impact on his career what so ever. What kind of psychological problems compels a multi-millionaire Hollywood producer to do that kind of thing? I come here because it’s fun and a lot of laughs but I can’t tell you the joy of getting to trash talk to a Producer and Writer of a 200 million dollar piece of shit. These people’s ego’s are so fragile and they know exactly how bad Transformers ROTF is so they must defend it with every breath they can muster because to do otherwise is to admit that, despite their success, they are still losers suckling at the teat of Hollywood and are incapable of anything resembling quality work nor do they have the balls to stand up to the likes of that fucking moron Michael Bay and his retarded idea’s about what constitutes good cinema because he sure as fuck doesn’t know and they are too pussy to tell him. Finally, Don wants to talk down to me about flipping burgers then I’ll just explain to him how his marriage is a shame since that is blatantly obvious as the corpulent mongoloid has all the charm of a serial rapist with tourettes and all the sex appeal of the elephant man with a case of leprosy. Awfully convenient that his wife is a Director and he Produced her first feature but I don’t envy her as I can’t imagine the Lovecraftian horrors of that disgusting creep grinding into her as she retreats into her mind and her fantasy of being plowed with 12 inches of meaty, throbbing, black cock and swallowing the mighty Nubian spermblast as opposed to Don’s wad which I’d imagine tastes like EPIC FAIL as it secretes out of the folds of fat covering his microscopic cock and balls. I’m sure when he cums he squeals like a stuck fucking pig who’s just been brained with a hammer at the slaughterhouse and is such a horrible sight that they wouldn’t even show it on Faces of Death.
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We, eh? Gottcha!Hey, what you choose to do with the ads is entirely up to you. But if you hate AICN/Harry so much to begin with, why even provide them in the first place (regardless of cost)? I mean if you're going to make a cheap, personal issue out of it, do it right up front, dumbass.And heaven forbid Harry actually tailor his review in such a way that it doesn't offend the greedy powers that be. Because as often as he gets accused of selling out, one has to marvel at the level of vitriol in that particular review, eh?And let's be serious. NO ONE cared about his impotent call for a boycott until you chimed in, right Don?
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Ahahahahah the first sentence of the last paragraph, I think that should be on his tombstone.
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does anyone who uses the internet actually click on ads anymore? I don't even notice them.
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Uh, a little too personal and vulgar there dude. You need to put the past behind you and rise above.Just a suggestion.
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I don't do it all of the time, but I like to give a little support where I can. I will not buy shit through Herc's product links to Amazon though. Herc uses too many punctuation marks.
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You don't loose an email in a hard drive failure....fail
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Jul 13, 2009 3:30:09 PM CDT
just give CharlesThomasMathewsMom a blackbox already
by talkbacker with no name
Murphy, you'd get a lil bit of the respect you desperately crave from AICN talkbackers if you come out of hiding. We can see you behind that tree, bud.
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There is an ad for the complete Ghostbuster cartoon show on DVD. I actually clicked it looks like a pretty impressive dvd collection. Too bad its out of my fucking price range, especially for DVDs right now.
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Sly comes here, respectful and professional as he is, and we embrace him. He's made some TERRIBLE movies, but it's all good because he's a decent person to the community. Murphy comes here, being himself, and we react accordingly.
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I saw a fetus squirming in the trash can behind planned parenthood and couldn't stop laughing for 666 days straight.
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Jul 13, 2009 3:37:14 PM CDT
If "NO ONE cares what" we think, why is CTM's Mom still here?
by d.vader
Eh? Huh? Dowhatnow?
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How the heck are you? I bet you smell like cock.
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Sup, brotha? This is a decent talkback- not nearly as entertaining as the TF TBs from 2 years ago. But it had a little bit of that old magic.
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I know Mr. Nice Gaius asked you to "put the past behind you" but that still counts as talking about murphy...boom boom
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Yeesh.
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it's just getting started
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After examining stories about Don and his comments and actions over the past 15 years. I have come to the conclusion along with many others that Don Murphy rightfully deserves all the hate, contempt and insults which is currently receiving. Everybody be sure to feed Don's massive ego and sooth his raging insecurities by acknowledging his existence... thus making him popular. Oh BTW How come there is only one or two people defending this guy?What happened Don's "stooges"? Isn't that their soul purpose in life to constantly defend Don and his horrible movies?Who the fuck cares about this wanna be "Big Shot" Hollywood asshole? Don..I hope all the hate and disgust you receive in keeps you up at night.....Well I'm off to Wikipedia to fuck shit up for YA DONNY "THE TWO CHINS MONSTROSITY" SHITBERG.
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Which means Liberal_Warrior and TITFAIL will be shortly behind...
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Smurfy Murfy
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His stooges are two years older now. They have been forced to get jobs by their parents now that they are of age... Unlike us layout 30 somethings who have all the time in the world to play with don.
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Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen sucked ass! You suck ass as well! You're just another boneheaded coked-up idiot hotshot producer who wouldn't recognize a good movie if it was fucking you in the ass.
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Sad but true.
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Jul 13, 2009 3:55:22 PM CDT
EXACTLY YackBacker, STALLONE HAS MADE SOME CRAP BUT...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He’s man enough to laugh at some of the shit he’s made and doesn’t take himself too seriously which is why we give him respect. Plus, you can say without a doubt that the man has been responsible for some great movies and hasn’t simply leached off the talents of others and he’s willing to take the blame when a movie turns out shit. But Murphy will NEVER admit that anything he’s ever done is shit and puts the blame onto everyone else (Double Dragon) while taking credit for other people work when a movie he has his name on is a hit (Natural Born Killers). The difference is that Stallone actually TRIES to make good movies and has some humility about his work. If I told Stallone that I thought a movie of his sucked I don’t think he’d be to chuffed about my opinion and he might want to engage in a conversation about a particular movies lack of merit and I’d be respectful in regards to my opinion about how I found the movie somewhat lacking. Murphy get’s no such respect from me because he is a slimey weasel.
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Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, is the most patriotic and American movie this great land has ever seened. God and Allah bless you. Sincerly, The State of West Virginia
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1. Gets up to see if there is anything about him on AICN
2. Posts about there being something about him on AICN on his forum
3. Goes to AICN under one of his many names to defend himself (while letting slip from time to time that he is in fact Murphy)
4. Goes back to his site to post a message about "what you want to see made into a movie"
5. Breaks for lunch
6. Goes back to AICN (see number 3.)
7. goes back to his forum and writes down all of the most popular things people want to see as movies. Tries to get the rights and crosses his fingers they get made with him attached as producer.
8. Dinnertime!
9. Back to AICN
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In some form, I don't think I would want to spend my free time talking about movies to strangers. I hate talking about my job now, there are only so many ways to make cooking fries seem cool. I don't think working in movies would be any different.
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you don't see angelina jolie's tits for 15 hours a day.
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You ever heard that Louis C.K. bit about certain things being CHEWED UP. Thats how I'd imagine Tomb Raiders to be at this point.
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Murphy's IMDB page is pretty sparse, period. He's barely done anything. He must be a lot of fun to work with, right? He probably brings a lot of creative talent, right? Ordinaryily I wouldn't waste my time, but damn anyone who actively worked (in any capacity) to get Transformers (Bay's vision) to the big screen. DAMN YOU TO HELL, DON MURPHY. You suck.
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Jul 13, 2009 4:23:38 PM CDT
Anyone remember that SNL skit with Stallone and Norm McDonald?
by d.vader
Where Norm McDonald is in a car accident and Stallone comes to save him, but Norm kept dissing all of Stallone's shitty movies? He died saying "Stop... stop.... Stop or My Mom Will Shoot Sucked..." And just when Stallone thought he really was a true fan, bc Will Ferrell found a copy of "Rambo" in Norm's hands... it turned out it was really as copy of Ramboner. That's good Stallone comedy. He can definitely poke fun at himself.
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but happen to like Louis C.K a lot. got a link?
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Was called Chewed Up...its pretty much that whole thing. They just showed it on Comedy Central the other week. Plus I'm at work and You Tube is FORBODDEN! I could give you a link to a Louis CK bit but wouldn't be able to tell you if it was the right one.
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"If I told Stallone that I thought a movie of his sucked I don’t think he’d be to chuffed about my opinion and he might want to engage in a conversation about a particular movies lack of merit and I’d be respectful in regards to my opinion about how I found the movie somewhat lacking." Okay, if you ever had any credibility, and that's a big IF, it's gone. Sylvester Stallone does not care what you think and most certainly does not want to talk to you. It's very clear that you're a loser, but now you're also a delusional loser. Congratulations. Also, next time the fat chick at the Dairy Queen asks you to go out with her, accept the invitation. Stop holding out for Megan Fox. She isn't going to talk to you either. Sorry to break it to you.
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I wonder where he came from...
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You, sir, have misnamed yourself. That's very misleading.
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Been meaning to check out that stand up for a while. I'll get searching :)
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That means that, what? They're a spy for the bad guy? Interesting. Paranoia will ruin your mind my friend. Mr. Gaius, do you not see the level of ridiculous delusion that CharlesThomasMartin1978 has displayed in that post? Look, I could give two shits about Don Murphy or movies about pterodactyls or Transformers, for that matter, but I want to congratulate you all for making an otherwise slow day at work very enjoyable.
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No, I really do love losers, I am one. I'll be the first to admit it. But I'll also be the first to admit that if I walked up to Sylvester Stallone on the street and told him about how "Rocky V" sucked, he'd probably have security push me away and go back to drinking his latte. Feel free to be a big nerd, but live in the real world at least.
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I really got no idea what your trying to say in your posts. Dumb it down for us, come on my life is ran by the different ringing bells on the fry machine. I can't even read the buttons I press are for. I just know that 2 rings means to put the fries in the grease, 3 rings is to press the orange button, 4 bells is to press the blue button and 1 ding means to life the fries out of the grease.
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See, isn't that a fun talking point? But seriously, you smell of Don's spunk.
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It means nothing. We're just accustomed to an influx of new Talkbackers when certain types of Flame Wars (such as this one) break out.Anyway, glad to have helped make your day more enjoyable.
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Hilarious. Seriously, though, 20 more minutes till work's over.
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That's how I know. I still let MRS. IHEARTLOSERS clean my toilets though, she's a thorough little one.
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Jul 13, 2009 4:48:14 PM CDT
What's Two-Chin's take on the "bamboozled" Autobot characters?
by yackbacker
Does Donny like racism as much as he enjoys homophobia? Just wondering.
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Because I'd be rich! Also, I'm not even married. Do your research.
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Don't let internet rumor or innuendo slow you down.
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Use your brain, moron.
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I read in an interview where you recognize the gold-toothed Autobots were legitimately offensive. While you weren't behind the idea (you didn't script it) I appreciate your candid recognition of the issues involving stereotypes and racism involved. I doubt Don Murphy has your backbone.
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Hee hee this brings back memories of the original TFbacks. What was Two Chins' name back then? Phartegodd? Anyway I wonder if Donny knows how much Bob Orci hates him.
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He comes here and actually talks about his movies- makes his points and acts respectful at all times. Stallone and Orci know what AICN is all about. Don is an angry, sad soul.
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Two-Chins doth protest too much! http://tinyurl.com/nnd4du
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Not once has he gotten into a flame war with anyone, as far as I know. He took a shitload of heat for New Trek and he stood by his work valiantly.
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Jul 13, 2009 5:05:44 PM CDT
IHEARTLOSERS, I NEVER CLAIMED THAT STALLONE WOULD CARE….
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I was hypothesizing that, unlike Don Murphy, he wouldn’t just resort to “FUCK YOU, I’M SYLVESTER STALLONE, I MAKE MOVIES, I HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I MAKE MOVIES AND I’M BETTER THAN YOU!!!”. I read the talkback where Stallone took questions and I didn’t see him acting like a fucking cunt unlike Donny The Hutt. So your pathetic attempt to flame me has no effect since I know that Sylvester Stallone wouldn’t give a shit about what I think or have to say. Do you know why? It’s because he’s Sylvester Fucking Stallone and unlike Don Murphy, Sly doesn’t need to seek out every one of his critics and try to shout them down and that’s because, unlike Murphy, Stallone doesn’t have an endless pit of insecurity and self-loathing that can’t be filled with either food, money or success nor does he lie in bed awake at night in fear that the woman he’s married to doesn’t really love him and is only using him to further her career. This is why Murphy has such a drive to succeed that he is willing to shred every last ounce of dignity (if he ever had any?) to achieve his goals of becoming rich and famous even if that means being known as a slimey fucking worm who will fuck over or take it in the ass from anyone who will help him obtain the money and possessions that he needs to assert his masculinity which he never had. I can only imagine that he was just as hated as a child as he is as an adult and like every other bully, he is a coward, a wimp and proved it when QT floored his pansy ass where as Sylvester Stallone would have ripped Tarantino to fucking shreds but then that’s the difference between a real man and Don Murphy.
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I mean, I'm sure he goes home and sees piles of money on the coffee table and laughs at those people who rip him here, but like you said, he stands by his work valiantly, never resorting to the nastiness directed at him. Bale has a word for that kind of conduct- Bob, you're a professional.
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Bale = Professional. Now there's a sentiment I can understand.
That aside this has been one of the most confusing tb's i've participated in. Made all the more confusing from the fact that i've never heard of Don Murphy before.
One camp says he's a fat guy with a small dick who posts on this site to defend his own movies. The other camp says he's lovely (admittedly that camp might only exist out of aliases belonging to Don Murphy himself).
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Jul 13, 2009 5:15:18 PM CDT
Series7, OH I CAN TEACH YOU A THING ABOUT FRENCH FRIES....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Some people think it’s all about pushing buttons but that is the difference between a novice fryer like you and a master such as myself who appreciates the subtle nuances of the dark arts. I’m so fucking good that I don’t even have to use my hands and can levitate the fry basket with my mind while bending time and space. Remember, there is no fry basket.
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What I do like about Bay is how he kept the production in the U.S., like it's supposed to be. A movie with that big a budget doesn't need to try to shave money by leaving the county. On the other hand, Tom Desanto was absolutely right. The robot designs are shit and the scripts for both films are lousy. While there's no way to know, I think it's reasonable that the films would make just as much money (if not more) with TFs that look more like TFs and an interesting, coherent plot.
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Wow. no wonder movies these days suck ass.
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daggor, I haven't actually seen TF2 but I thought it's big coup was shooting at the Pyramids? That'd be Egypt.
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Thanks for not screaming at me. Respect. Your answer actually makes sense. I'm gonna go live in the real world for awhile. Cheers.
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And that was quite a last paragraph in your lengthy post there, CTM. Wow! It's too bad you wrote "shame" instead of "sham." "Sham" is funnier. I was dying laughing a few times. What Dan Murphy doesn't understand is that we concede to him that he has more money than we lowly AICN TB'ers BUT most of us in here are fans of cienma, we're like a free focus group. If Donny TwoChin doesn't like what we think of his work (and granted some TB'ers you'll never please) but if he does give a shit enough to come here and argue with random web-cinefans then maybe he should consider making better movies instead? You don't see any of us in here giving shit to Scorcese.
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Shit, I got kicked off just for saying Vern likes remakes -WHICH HE DOES- ...talk about having an overheightened sense of importance..! (Vern likes remakes, still, btw)
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Jul 13, 2009 5:47:00 PM CDT
YackBacker, Boborci HAS BACKBONE? WELL, THEN I GUESS THAT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He'll refuse to work with Bay again on Transformers 3 due to the charges of racism credited to him as co-screenwriter of Revenge of the Fallen which he claims was all Bay’s idea? Oh, shit, for a second there I was in an alternate dimension where Orci wasn’t a studio lapdog drinking at the toilet bowl of mediocrity because he needs his 1000 dollars a week. Doesn’t it bother you that while Christopher Nolan was able to take fucking BATMAN and make an almost universally acclaimed movie that won Oscars, your legacy is attached to a bunch of movies that will be flushed down the shitter of history and forgotten? You know what some of my favorite movies are? Network, The Hospital, Talk Radio, Fail Safe, The Ninth Configuration, The Exorcist 3 and The Silence of the Lambs because, at heart, they are pure theatre and every one of them could (theoretically) be performed as a stage play because the writers of those movies cared about things such as story and characterization and they understand the power of the written word where as someone like you, Kurtzman or Bay only understand surface level action nor are you able to imbued your shallow screenplays with any sort of subtext or thematic content. For fuck sakes man, Star Trek and Transformers had budgets of 150 - 200 million dollars and they weren’t about anything while George A. Romero was able to take a bunch of people in blue and grey make-up and, with Dawn of the Dead, make a movie with such resonance that even after 30 years we are still talking about it because of the idea’s underneath the schlock Horror veneer. I doubt that anything you have or will ever script will be as well remembered 30 years from now.
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Likes Exorcist 3, but hates Star Trek.
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Gus Van Rant will be helming the next Natalie Portman vehicle, about a bunch of venomous rabbits erupting from the earth's core.
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Jul 13, 2009 6:32:06 PM CDT
lockesbrokenleg, EXORCIST 3 WAS GREAT EXCEPT FOR THE SHITTY EXOR
by charlesthomasmathews1978
The exorcism was tacked on by the studio who ordered Blatty to shoot it. I don’t even like the first Exorcist but The Exorcist 3, originally known as Legion which was the title of Blatty book on which it was based, is an exceptionally well Written, Directed and Acted movie that works on a level of metaphysical Horror that should gave brought it as much acclaim as The Silence of the Lambs. Fans of Transformers ROTF wouldn’t be able to appreciate it. Not enough explosions, racist robots, slutty looking whores, leg humping robots or dogs fucking to keep their interest. Plus there’s a lot of this thing called “talking” which fans of Bay’s movies couldn’t comprehend as the movie isn’t filled with cornball melodrama or toilet humor.
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I use Microsoft Word to write my posts and spell check them as it's what a professional troll would do. But when I post them I find spelling mistakes that aren't on the Word document. Has Harry programmed this site to deliberately cause spelling errors to cover his own lysdexia thus hiding his shame?
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Great movie. Absolutely pitch perfect movie. On a side note, I carefully look over my posts before I post (Like a professional PROFESSIONAL would do) and I've never noticed any errors added. Maybe it has something to do with transferring it from MSW to the Web?
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Absolutely with you on your movie list. NETWORK and TALK RADIO are pure theatre, and absolutely riveting as movies - ditto with EXORCIST III, which is obviously victim to a tacked-on exorcism at the end of the movie - this is obvious if you've (a) read the book LEGION (which I have, and it's almost as great as THE EXORCIST novel is) and (b) are paying even the slightest bit of attention to the movie. George C Scott is so fucking great he almost makes the tacked-on exorcism work ("I believe in pestilence! I believe in filth! Lord, I BELIEEEVE!") but it's painfully obvious those fuckers had no idea that what made THE EXORCIST work wasn't the effects-laden 15 min exorcism at the end of the movie, it was the two-hour slow screw-turning tension that shreds your fucking nerves as you endure it to that spectacular ending. Those bastards in Hollywood couldn't be more fucking creatively bankrupt if they actually fucking tried.
And BOTH versions of EXORCIST: DOMINION fucking sucked.
As for fans of TF:ROTF... don't expect ANYTHING too taxing. Wiping their arse and picking their noses simultaneously may be taxing for your average TF fan. I mean, I enjoyed those movies... but no more than five minutes in my toilet with some Kleenex and a Playboy centrefold of Megan Fox would be. In fact, the centrefold might be MORE enjoyable. And less fucking noisy, to boot. -
Sorry, that analogy is shit. So, movies can't have big budgets? Why can't you enjoy many different kinds of movies? I just don't get it.
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In fairness, EXORCIST III has a weird-as-hell George C Scott performance in it - not exactly accessible to most viewers - and STAR TREK is full of pretty effects and warp-speed narrative drive.
BUT...
STAR TREK effectively IS about nothing, with God knows how many plot holes in it (why does red matter destroy planets but allow ships through, unscathed, to emerge in a different time? What's with the transporting aboard a craft travelling at fucking WARP SPEED? Why can't Simon Pegg do a credible Scottish accent? Why would Spock suddenly respect Kirk after he makes fun of him and tells him he's a jerk for not showing emotion at his mother's death? Why the fuck would ANYONE listen to Kirk after his return from being marooned? ETC et-fucking-cetera...) - while THE EXORCIST III has more interesting metaphysical ideas to spark serious intellectual discussions about the nature of faith and the paradox of good vs evil than Kurtzman and Orci can ever possibly fucking imagine. As pretty and fun as it was, STAR TREK ultimately IS empty and vacuous, while THE EXORCIST III, though not exactly an easy watch, is chock full of interesting stuff to chew over and assimilate. It's actually INTELLIGENT, in a way the new STAR TREK could never be. -
Star Trek is one of the better films of this year, or any year for that matter. Also, it didn't have a HUGE budget as you say because the other Trek movies were flops. Also, much of the movie takes place on two sets - the Enterprise, and the bad guy ship. LIKE A PLAY!!
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Nope - dumb shit can be fun - but the intelligent stuff is more likely to stay with you, and nourish your soul in a way humping dog-robots never will.
They won't be talking about TRANSFORMERS 2 or STAR TREK: REBOOT twenty years from now in the way they will STILL be talking about THE EXORCIST or NETWORK. There's reasons for that... -
Jul 13, 2009 7:00:59 PM CDT
You're wrong - The New Trek movie will be talked about for years
by lockesbrokenleg
it rejuvenated a sorry franchise. Are people still talking about Exorcist 3? I don't think so.
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But is it too much to ask that blockbusters at least TRY to be intelligent? They've taken old-school STAR VTREK - philosophical discussion and all - and sucked all the smarts out of it, turning it into STAR TREK through the lens of George Lucas' STAR WARS prequels - pretty SFX but fuck all else going on narratively. Sure, there's a visceral thrill to seeing shit blow up on screen - but what about resonance? Why CAN'T a blockbuster stay with us through sheer greatness? STAR TREK was fun, but I forgot most of the plot ten minutes after watching it - it means nothing to me, whereas I'm STILL trying to figure out most of what STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE meant, 30 years after its release.
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You are thinking too hard. You are supposed to enjoy movies. Not fucking take tests on them. It's not hard to figure out TMP.
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I think the audience got too dumb for the franchise. Take NEMESIS: at the end, when Data gets on the bridge, he sees Picard frozen, staring at his clone's body, lost in thought - would he have been the same had he been raised the same way? Could he have become as evil as this Reman? All of which was lost on the fuckwits around me at the cinema when NEMESIS came out - most of whom were saying "Why isn't he fucking running for it?" instead of understanding the complexities of what Picard was feeling, expertly being conveyed by one of the greatest living Shakespearean actors.
Audiences are broadly TO FUCKING THICK TO GET IT. Which is why great stuff like old-school TREK become empty-headed, SFX-led new TREK, and the biggest movie of the year is the near-incomprehensible TF2: ROTF. -
CreepyThinMan aka CharlesThomsMathews aka John Paul Young has actual warrants out for his arrest on three counts of fucking mopery and you loser support his rants? You've been played people!
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But to some of us, THINKING about a movie IS enjoying the movie. I enjoyed KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE, but that movie had more to say about the human condition than STAR TREK or TRANSFORMERS 2 did.
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CHRIST HARRY, FUCKING EDIT BUTTON! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!
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Jul 13, 2009 7:09:50 PM CDT
TedKordLives, TALK RADIO, IMHO, IS STONE'S BEST MOVIE....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I still can't fucking believe that Eric Bogosian didn’t even get an Oscar nomination for his screenplay, based on his own stage play about the death of Alan berg, let alone for what I consider to be the greatest performance of the 1980’s. That man was on FUCKING FIRE and Stone’s genius was to not get in the way and let Bogosian do his thing. A fucking masterpiece.
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...but is someone comparing STAR TREK: REBOOT AND TRANSFORMERS 2 to THE EXORCIST or NETWORK? Really?
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I want to THINK at a movie not enjoy it!! waaah! Did you really think at The Dark Knight? Give me a fucking break.
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Agreed. Bogosian was godly in that movie. Lockesbrokenleg: "Are people still talking about Exorcist III?' Dude, we're talking about it right now. Take a huge step back, pal.
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and people are talking about Trek too. God.
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Jul 13, 2009 7:18:31 PM CDT
Talking shit about a successful producer is kinda dumb.
by dailysportspages
But being a successful producer who supposedly makes millions of dollars and is a big time hollywood player who feels the need to come to internet message boards and act like a little pissant... well thats just retarded and embarrassing.
I can only wonder how his fellow filmmakers see him?
According to Bay... he is a laughingstock.
And his movie credits arent even the problem. As much as people shit on LXG and as much as Connery tried to ruin it... there are some good things in there. I remember getting some enjoyment out of the DVD (which i did own at one time).
But Murphy, dude... you are a big time movie producer (and by that i mean that you are a producer period, that alone is fucking kick ass cool)... what in fucks name are you doing talking shit to people on the internet for?
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You mean you DIDN'T think at Dark Knight? You didn't come out and have conversations with your friends about the different perceptions of good and evil, order and chaos? Ok, then.
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We were talking about how good the scenes and performances were.
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There's no reason why a person can like TF2 AND EXORCIST 3. No reason at all. Whatever rule book you guys go by gets re-written daily.
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And we ARE (well, not me because I never saw Exorcist III. E2 looked so bad I never went back to the series) talking about Exorcist III. You didn't specify that it had to be 76956 people or however many people or it didn't count.
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Jul 13, 2009 7:27:21 PM CDT
lockesbrokenleg, I ENJOY MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF MOVIES...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
For instance, I love Corpse Grinders, The Seventh Seal, Return of the Living Dead, Gone with the Wind, The Ruling Class, The Toxic Avenger, Boogie Nights, Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte, Carnival of Souls, The Godfather, The Stuff etc…. My tastes in cinema are very broad so it’s not like I’m some sort of cinesnob. But I really despise people who make excuses for shit like Transformers by saying “well, it’s not Shakespeare so just turn your brain off”. Fuck. That. Shit. Just because a movie is about a certain subject such as, say, transforming robots, doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t expect at least a small amount of intelligence in the script or, at the very least, for it to be competently written. By settling for less we ensure that the studios won’t make movies like The Dark Knight or Iron Man and will continue to make movies like Batman & Robin and Transformers ROTF. It doesn’t have to be art. I just want some quality. Is that too much to ask?
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That Wolverine Sideshow thing looks NOTHING like Hugh.
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I hate big budgets. Sniff. Why can't all movies be done on one set. God.
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I don't get that either. Some Shakespeare plays are dull as shit. Do we really want to pay to see that?
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Jul 13, 2009 7:33:17 PM CDT
CTM'sMom, I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT MOPERING....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
In Revenge of the Nerds, after they’ve been harassed by the Jocks, the nerds go to the police where an officer points to a man in nothing but a trench coat and explains that he was arrested for “mopering” which is exposing yourself to a blind man. In Don Murphy’s case he causes blindness when he flashes people.
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A) That could easily apply to any kind of "snob." I mean, I could say "I really hate book snobs who go on and on about Ullysses by James Joyce. Twilight is where it is at."
B) There are very few snobs here actually. I mean, most people here will throw out there love for Evil Dead, TCM, Godzila or even Porky's. The thing is, we all admit that they are not as good as Godfather or Citizen Kane.
It's like saying Ted Nugent's Stranglehold is better music than Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's Symphony No. 25 in g-minor. You might personally like Stranglehold better but you know it isn't as good as Mozart. -
Yes, I have seen it. It's in my collection, but I admit the movie is boring and full of itself.
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...Is just a call for good writing. But sometimes even a badly written script can turn into an entertaining film. And that's one of the three (3) things I ever ask for in a film: Entertain me, educate me, stir up som emotion.
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That's good taste? That takes some kind of producing genius?
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CharlesThomasMathews1978, you are officially in my 'Cool Book'. 'You tell 'em, Colonel!'
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http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4945/themurphys.jpg
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I hate to say this lockes, but you sound defensive as hell. I mean, maybe the problem isn't so much with movie snobs but you're own aesthetic taste. Nothing wrong with that, each his own, but the way you sound is that you are upset you don't "get" these classic films.
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Must be one arrogant douchebag.
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Do you see me writing 10 paragraphs on why I hate Star Trek in every thread?
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Jul 13, 2009 7:47:15 PM CDT
TedKordLives, THE STUFF IS A CLASSIC AND I'M ALSO A BIG FAN OF..
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Return of the Killer Tomatoes and Elvira Mistress of the Dark. The other day I watched Bachelor Party, The Party Animal and Moving Violations. These movies aren’t Citizen Kane but they are well Written, Directed and Acted for what they are and none of them cost 200 million fucking dollars!!!
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way to attack another TBers taste. It pretty much is "I hate Star Trek" "I liked Star Trek", yadda yadda yadda. I don't see many people saying "Yeah, well you like the Stuff so you are an arrogant douchebag."
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I just watched RotKT last week, and I have Moving Violations on DVD. I love that the three leads are siblings to much more popular actors (at the time, Meg was the more popular Tilly, but I'm sure you knew that). I haven't actually seen Elvira since it was in the theater, but I remember the church picnic very well for being 7 or 8 years old.
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There are different ways of attacking people. Fans of new the new Trek movie and TF2 are attacked daily by posters on here, but at the same time we must all praise pieces of shit like Exorcist 3. Also, please don't fucking say Elvira is better than Star Trek.
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Haven't seen the new Star Trek but I imagine it is better than Elvira Mistress of the Dark. I hated that movie.
But I can't imagine it is better than the Stuff. That movie has Garrett Morris as Chocolate Chip Charlie. Does ST have Garret Morris as Chocolate Charlie? -
I really hope he's smarter than he lets on here. Like this is his hobby, and he's at his graciously appointed manner sipping pinot noir and just laughing himself silly. Sigh. Prolly just that last part is true.
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Jul 13, 2009 8:09:41 PM CDT
So lockesbrokenleg hates Shakespeare and "Citizen Kane"?
by thejokesonus
But will defend "Transformers 2" until the day he dies? God bless ya. Do you own any Ed Hardy? What about any Affliction or TapOut? Do you like "Twilight"? Did you read "Spawn" or "Youngblood"? Are your favorite bands Nickelback, Staind, Linkin Park, Creed, Limp Bizkit or Hinder? Did you vote Bush? Once or twice? Did you vote McCain? Just wondering...
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That will clinch it
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Jul 13, 2009 8:12:05 PM CDT
lockesbrokenleg, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PRAISE THE EXORCIST 3 BUT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Could you give us reasons why it sucks apart from "it's boring or slow". When I and others trash Star Trek and Transformers, we actually point out specific examples as to why they suck while also giving praise as it is deserved. For example, I actually didn’t hate Star Trek and I would like to see a sequel but one that is better written as this movie was purely by the numbers. There were no idea’s just “OH NOES, Nero’s pissed and has a doomsday weapon111 :o”. The best science fiction, such as The Twilight Zone, manages to create an exciting drama while also providing a little food for thought. Star Trek 2 The Wrath of Khan is considered to be the best of it’s kind because of the quality of the story, the strong characterization as well as the theme’s of the movie not to mention the idea’s driving the plot. The new Star Trek didn’t have any of that, just action.
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why can't I like ALL kinds of movies. Why do I have to defend myself? You say that Trek just had action. It had STORY too. It was about Kirk and Spock at the academy and overcoming adversity to solve a problem. Can you give me a story point about Bachelor Party?
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is how Kirk and Spock have to come to terms with their elders, and how they must overcome their own internal issues, and resolve them to work together. It's not that hard to figure out.
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I'm being sincere.
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and he's made one GOOD movie (Shoot em up) and one decent one (Apt pupil). I'm sure he's a lovely person in real life but online he is an epic douche. No fisting rights for him.
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Jul 13, 2009 8:20:29 PM CDT
You don't have a question. You just have opinions diguised as fa
by lockesbrokenleg
I bet you like Evil Dead, too, right? I bet you think Firefly was awesome TV. I bet you like Torchwood, or Dr. Who right?
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It is about a man who must set aside prove he is mature enough for the love of his woman. Everyone tells him not to get married, everyone lets him know it is a mistake and he will have to give up the drugs, booze and sex that his friends have (and his brother wishes he could still have). Yet Tom Hanks realizes that he loves Debbie more than he does that life style.
Also all of Debbie's (Tawny) relatives don't trust him, planting seeds of distrust in her mind. In the end, when she shows up to his bachelor party to find him out, he can prove he can still live a fun, juvenile lifestyle but still stay faithful to her and have fun. He does this by asking anyone at the party if he has had sex with them - everyone says no. He proves despite his appearance he will be a wonderful faithful husband, and Debbie learns that her friends and relatives were all wrong about him. -
Jul 13, 2009 8:27:15 PM CDT
Wow, did you read the back of the DVD cover for that?
by lockesbrokenleg
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Never saw the other stuff. Now answer my questions, please.
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lockesbrokenleg doesn't answer questions put forth to him. He's incapable of putting enough sentences together to form a coherent paragraph/train of thought.And he's a gigantic pussy.
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...and feels that CITIZEN KANE "sucks shit" and is "full of itself".I'm starting to believe that lockes is a comedy act.
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answer my polite questions.
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Damn, you are such a bright classy spot in any talkback.
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Punch it!!!!!
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getting out some may help your taste. or not.
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You understand, I don't need to 'splain.
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Says the guy who talks about his hate for TF2 in every god damn talkback
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It is one of those films that if it is on TV I am not changing the channel (like Godfather or Once Upon A TIme in the West).
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CAUSE IT GIVES PEOPLE A SENSE OF SELF IMPORTANCE WHEN THEY SAY THEY ACTUALLY WATCHED IT!
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One that sucks the life out of any thread you're in.
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I don't see Node here ... are you feeling ok?
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yes. i am your exact opposite.
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or is he right, in his opinion of you being a pussy?
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YOU SEXY ASS MOVIE SNOB! WE CAN MAKE OUT TO YOUR COPY OF SCARFACE!!
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I implore you to do the same. Come on, make it interesting.
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Jul 13, 2009 8:46:14 PM CDT
CITIZEN KANE IS A MASTERPIECE, WELL AHEAD OF ITS TIME
by bringingsexyback
I can only imagine the wave of WTFs that roared through audiences' heads back in the day, when Rose Bud was revealed..
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I'm right and he knows it. Now, he's resorting to childish insults in ALL CAPS. Obviously, we are dealing with an underdeveloped mind here...
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pussy out.
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You have yet to make a point of anything, in any thread.
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At least he seems that way to me. The defense of tacky movies, the lost reference. That has Node written all over it.
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When shit blew up. I was like "daaaaayumn!" It was the watercooler topic at work at Wal-Mart the next day, believe you me. Then me and this thick-ass honey from Oklahoma totally did it. Then I found out that Seether was coming to town! It was the best day ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Like the scene where Kane throws a beach party for Susan Alexander. They had to use old movie footage for the rear projection, so for that scene they had to use some film from Son of Kong. If you look close you'll see a pterodactyl flying in the bg.
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come on, man. I'd respect you if you were honest with your opinions. I'll even answer some questions for you, again.
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But he and MNG are about to get epic.
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I also liked when the bird flew the coop, literally, and you could see through its eye! Freaky.
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CharlesThomasMathewsMom (aka Donny Boy). Man, what a fruitcake.
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People will think you're me!!!
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But ferreting out alternate personas is a past time of mine on here. People can 'sound' different for a while, but little tells always pop up sooner or later. Remember Nodes epic meltdown? Due is capable of going mental in a heartbeat - and I happen to like Node most of the time.
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I'm amazed that Harry hasn't banned him, nor posted a column on the alleged blacklisting of AICN by four studios. Don't you think he'd get a lot of cred back if he acknowledged it and didn't back down? He could reformat this place as being underground again, and post more unauthorized stuff without consent like in the heyday.
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house on the hill that was supposed to be a stunning mansion. WOW!
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You obviously don't pay attention to any of the various conversations happening on this site at any given time. All you're concerned about is using AICN as your own personal Twitter account. Oh, and getting schooled by me.
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Fill in a newish guy.
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figures.
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Where Ebert compares Kane to Star Wars? HELL YAH! EAT THAT LUCAS HATERS!!!
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You don't have to answer anymore, lockes. I got all I need from that sentence.
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'Sup fellas? So, you're thinking lockes is HoboCode? Hmmm. Well, it's an established fact that lockes is the former "skywalkerfamily" but I don't know about about the Node angle.
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I love Olivia Newton John.
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Considering the limits of technology.
Reminds me of what Terry Gilliam said (a director I admit I am not a big fan of): "Everything about movies is getting better - the cinematography, the technology, the sound, the visual effects -except for the actual movies." -
I knew he sounded familiar.
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Do you ever post anything relevant? You seem to really hate this site and the people here. Why stay? You won't be missed. are you some bitter screenplay writer that got dissed in a review once?
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Seriously??
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Well, I could be wrong. And if so, I regret smearing the good name *cough cough* of Node. For the newbie. Node is a the former name of a TB'er now known as Hobocode. Node is actually a shortened version of his former name. He had an epic, and epically funny meltdown in a Hulk Smash TB a few years ago. He single handedly spammed that TB to the top of the boards with titles such as "Hulk Smash itchy toilet paper". He has some hilarious stream of conscious/metal breakdown way off the meds moments. It was a train wreck live . It was amazing. The shame of it was he was banned because it had some funny stuff in it. Still if MNG says he is skywalkerfamily, I have to believe lockes is not Node - even though they have same crappy taste in movies. Node is a good dude though so, I am happy if I am wrong and he is not a troll.
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Gee, another slam from you? Where's your ten paragraph I hate Trek review you post in every thread? I miss it.
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I think I've seen Hobocode and lockes in the same TB, so I don't think they are the same cat. In fact, I think they dueled it out in node 41581.
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Seriously. Do you ever read anyone else's posts but your own? Over the past few years, I've posted tons of relevant things on this site. I've been part of some great conversations and some memorable Flame Wars.I don't hate this site. In fact, I've been accused of defending it more often than not. And I don't hate the people who post here. However, you may be an exception because I have yet to see you contribute anything relevant to this site since your return.I think your mind is a little confused with that last post of yours. You should take your question, "Do you ever post anything relevant?" and apply it to yourself.
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Sorry Node. Guess my 'Nodar' needs adjusting!
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but you don't seem to be here to talk about movies. you just post snipe little remarks. do you want to talk about something? yes, i have seen the Ebert commentary on kane. loved it. i don't remember the star wars comparison. could you please elaborate?
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Knowing what I know of HoboCode, I have to believe that he would have the balls to fess up if he were posting under another name.(And I don't think he would lower himself to the caveman-like ramblings of lockesbrokenpussy...)
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Spot on.
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Jul 13, 2009 9:36:44 PM CDT
are we actually discussing the merits of CITIZEN KANE??
by six demon bag
is this film 101 or what? you might not like the film per se, but it has stood the fucking test of time, in the face of censorship from a media giant, innovated (at least standardized) technical wizardry that we filmgoers are LUCKY to be taking for granted. deep focus, mise-en-scene, FUCKING CEILINGS on the sets, LOW LOW ANGLES..the mastering of the storytelling...nothing really came before it in terms of putting it all together. welles took his bag of tricks and showed what he could do. fuck you all who cant appreciate this film.
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I can't remember the last time I was involved in four TB's at once, with new news.
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So on one hand, I'm with Lockesbrokenleg. Plus, he's named after one of my favorite TV characters. But then on the other hand, he's not answering any valid questions from other TBers I respect. And on the third hand, JAWS is my favorite film.
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..but Ebert has compared Star Wars and Citizen Kane for both revolutionizing cinema in their respective times. They introduced new methods of storytelling.
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people would be bitching about the TWIST ending and complaining about how shit isnt blowing up and yadayadaydaPROSTITUTION WHORE!!!!!!
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He and Hobocode actually have discussions on the LOST board. I don't think anyone here is crazy enough to have discussions with himself. Except for, of course, BSB and ASB and BCSB...
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I was gone for a bit and came back to the LOST tb to find Node was now Hobocode. When he told me what he did, I was surprised. Because up until that point, he seemed so sane...
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Just thought I'd be nostalgic.
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Best Scene; Elvira hits her noggin on a sign and someone asks, "How's your head". Elvira's response,"I haven't had any complaints"!
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It needs to happen. Lets make it happen! I will throw the full weight of my vast internets fortune behind MNG 09
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stick with "Transformers 2".
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I don't really think Star Wars did add anything innovative to cinema like CItizen Kane did. I'm not saying it didn't revolutionize cinema, but I don't think it changed the fundamental grammar of film language like Kane did. Star Wars changed what type of movies where being made (the Blockbuster and Sci-Fi/Fantasy as mass appeal movies instead of niche audiences) and Kane changed the way we used film to tell stories. I will agree that both used the technology that was available in ways that were never thought of before.
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Up until Star Wars no movie I had ever seen - and I saw Star Wars first run back in '77, had ever sounded so loud and clear.
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As Obi-Wan's nickname for young Luke.
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I don't think you get AICN Talkback. You should leave and stick with Don Murphy-styled messageboards or something.
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Yeah, keep on kissing Bruce Campbell's ass.
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im out.
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Recently, I saw Gus Van Rant on the boards and asked him about starting up our feuding mod campaigns again. But, I never heard back from him.Speaking of mods, this site could definitely use a flush or two. I don't think we've had a real time moderator since the day Moriarty left.
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I'm almost out. Almost there... Just a few more seconds... (I like mixing up movie quotes)
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Why not start your own forum?
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Jul 13, 2009 10:04:11 PM CDT
and maybe someone will purchase a screenplay from you
by lockesbrokenleg
about your wonderful life.
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I forget about that. Most movies back then where just Mono mixes. Star Wars was a Dolby Stereo for the 35mm ones and Dolby Stereo 70mm Six Track for the 70mm run.
I remember as a kid actually feeling the theatre shake when the Star Destroyer went over head (probably do to the two LFE channels they used back then). Nowadays if someone heard the original mix they would probably be disappointed, but back then it was mind-blowing (kind of like how Apocalypse Now sounded a couple of years later). -
The Don Murphy reference? Maybe you should check the title of this thread. HE'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.Anything else you don't understand? Anything you want to admit as being over your head?God, you're a dolt!
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That was the thing that stayed with me most. The Tie fighters screaming across the screen, and the Star Destroyer just sounding like it could kick all sorts of ass. No movie before that had that sound - at least not in my then pre-teen memory
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Jul 13, 2009 10:18:29 PM CDT
How can I kiss Bruce Campbell's ass when he doesn't come here?
by thejokesonus
And fuck kissing his ass, I'd kiss his godlike lips. That man is a living legend. Whereas the people behind "Transformers 2" will be discussed derisively by third-rate comedians on "I Love The '00s" in a year.
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Jul 13, 2009 10:23:09 PM CDT
The original King Kong is probably the only film that compares
by continentalop
Not saying it is the same level as Star Wars is at, overall, because SW obviously blows it away technologically and technically, but I think they were both just as innovative.
I mean the original King Kong was the first American movie with an original score for a talkie, it also basically invented Sound Effects and Sound Effects editing. The sounds of Kong are a combo of a backwards lion merged with a tiger, and then pitched shift. In fact, they made a mixing choice of pitching a lot of SFX to match the score during the mix.
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Do you gargle Murphys jizz for free or does this untalented toad let you sleep in his garage?
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I'm kinda partial to FORBIDDEN PLANET. Came out in mid 50s, It had great SFX, Score, The KRELL, Monster from the Id, Walter Pidgeon, Robby the Robot.....any thoughts?
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Just a truly amazing movie. It is in my top ten all time for any genre. I remember being blown away by Robby, and the Disney monster, and (what I thought at the time) was a nekkid Anne Francis. Just a truly great, great movie! Groundbreaking in many ways. Excellent choice.
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Would not want any rumors being spread!
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Watch it at least once a year, and saw it on the big screen last year in L.A.Nice to know someone here shares my passion for it.
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Jul 13, 2009 10:42:49 PM CDT
Forbidden Planet is a movie you can't say "It ain't Shakespeare"
by continentalop
Because it fucking is THE TEMPEST.
Forbidden Planet and The Day the Earth Stood Still are like the two films they led the way from Sci-Fi being for kids with Flash Gordon and Captain Video to it being for adults with 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Funny thing is I am not a huge fan of either one. I appreciate them, but they don't know me out like other movies of that period. I actually prefer some of the "grungier" Sci-Fi movies of that time like Invasion of the Body Snatchers and especially Invaders from Mars.
Yeah, invaders from Mars seems like a cheesy movie on face value, but if you watch it you realize it really is a metaphor for a kid losing his parents to alcoholism or another personality altering drug (his father's personality suddenly changes). It really is a very subversive movie for its time IMO. -
John Gielgud, Helen Mirren, Malcolm MacDowell in a movie with full on fisting? WIN. Shawmawn, tell me ... alright?
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IT MADE ME REALISE TIM BURTON WAS SHIT!!
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It was the very first DVD I bought. Ever. I am a James Bond and Godzilla freak, but Forbidden planet was the first movie I wanted to see on DVD. Creature From Black lagoon was the second one I bought. Dr. No was third on my list. King King vs Godzilla was the next DVD.
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I remember being shocked at serious Leslie Nielsen. It's worth a look just for that alone.
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There are better films out there than Citizen Kane.
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What movies do you list as better than Citizen Kane?
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The backdrop of the Krell power room is worth it. Robby is worth it. A Drunk Earl Holiman is worth it. Police Woman was big back then when I first saw FP. and seeing Holiman that young was a shock. Anne Francis exuding unbridled sexuality was worth it. Leslie Neilsen was worth it. But the star (sorry Robby) was what the Disney Animators did with the monster - just an amazing effect
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I'm a big fan of early Sci-Fi. Invasion of the Body Snatchers, good call. Also the original War of the Worlds, This Island Earth.But then again, I like BUCKAROO BANZAI.Laugh while you can MONKEY BOY!
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Hoosiers, Rudy, The Natural, Goldfinger,
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Jul 13, 2009 10:51:52 PM CDT
Man, you're making me want to see Forbidden Planet again
by continentalop
Haven't seen it years. Maybe my opinion of it will improve.
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and didn't even have a fisting scene.
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Forrest Gump, Close Encounters, Star Trek II, Airplane. All better.
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Haven't seen that in ages. No fisting involved either.
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If you liked Caligula, EQUUS should be right up your "alley", so to speak!
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The others don't come close to CK.
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Jul 13, 2009 10:55:31 PM CDT
JFK, Saving Private Ryan, Airplane, Dr. No, The Empire Strikes
by lockesbrokenleg
Back, Spider-Man 2, Magnificent Seven
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And movie watching is subjective so what might be best to some is shit to others. But a standard does exist - a benchmark if you will. Lets say your favorite besteses movie all time was Amazon Women on the Moon, well that is your opinion, and it might be shared by others, but the majority opinion is that Citizen Kane is a better than AWOTM. CK repesents some of the finest technical achievements made on film. Not to mention being a damn good story and well made. Is it my favorite? No. But I appreciate the talent and groundbreaking achievement it represents. And it is in my top 20 all time favorites
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And you mentioned Airplane twice..or did you mean to say Airplane 2?
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Northwest,
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But Hoosiers? Rudy? Even the Natural, The Great Escape and A Few Good Men?
Not saying any of those are "bad" movies (in fact, far from it) but do you honestly think those are better than Citizen Kane? More innovative, more ambitious, have a better aesthetic or technical qualities? I mean, does Rudy have better Mise-en-Scene, composition, cinematography and editing than CK? -
Jul 13, 2009 10:57:46 PM CDT
Superman, The Color Purple, Raiders of the Lost Ark,
by lockesbrokenleg
American Graffiti.
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Thanks!
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Fucking brilliant movie. I love the scene when he walks down the stairs realizing how he has to live his life just as the young japanese girls start singing Happy Birthday to their friend coming up the stairs.
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Jul 13, 2009 10:59:21 PM CDT
Yes, I do. Nearly all of these movies have stood the
by lockesbrokenleg
test of time and are influential, some more influential, that CK. Rudy is one of the greatest sports films ever. If the last scenes of the film don't have you crying, you are a heartless bastard. Name one scene in CK that makes you cry.
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But Forbidden Planet outshines them all for me. I loved every aspect of it. From Earl getting Drunk, Anne Francis realizing that she can make boners pop just by walking past the men - and loving it. BTW there although unspoken, there was an incest undercurrent as well.
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If we talked to the directors of all those films you listed, how many of them would say there film is better than Citizen Kane? How many of them would say Citizen Kane isn't that good?
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All I know is there are better films than CK to watch and enjoy. Even War of the Worlds is a better Wells movie.
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And that's a shame.
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I hated Rudy. Just hated it. I thought it was tripe, but I know it is popular with a lot of people so obviously it touched them in some way I don't understand.
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Jul 13, 2009 11:06:06 PM CDT
If you like Sports movies you should watch The Natural
by lockesbrokenleg
and Hoosiers. They're very entertaining. They're not so much about the games, but they're more about people.
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So, while I may fault your taste in saying they are better than CK, I will not fault your belief for saying that. However, to say that any of them are more influential than CK is to be a true idiot. And unaware of film history.
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Cuz Owen's stupid head blocked the view of Portman's snatch. Fucker.
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did we go from Don Murphy's new project to CITIZEN KANE vs. RUDY? If this isn't the most entertaining TB ever I don't know what was...
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If not for SW Skywalker Rance would not have been built, and we'd still be listening to movies in mono. Sci Fi movies of the 50's were using the same tech gimmicks that CK was,
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They were what Scorsese called Smugglers - inserting themes and subtext that most people didn't see or got right off the bat. I mean the Incredible Shrinking Man - what a great metaphor for the disappearance of men's self-worth and masculinity (the smaller he gets the more he tries to boss around his wife, he flees into the arms of the midget girl until he shrinks to smaller than her, forced to live in his daughter's doll house).
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He's so little!
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Now to some Portman skin sites ...
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Jul 13, 2009 11:12:19 PM CDT
No, Logan - this link will show you the most entertaining TB
by toadkillerdog
Ever.
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When Robby grabs the Bourbon from the Cook (Holliman) and pours it into his analizer, The Cook almost shits his pants!The incest aspect, would that be between Altaira and Morbius?
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DId he invent cutting to parallel action? Did he invent classic Hollywood editing or Russian Montage style juxtaposition of images?
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And I'm quite sure the AFI is not run by idiots. While CK is not in my top FAVORITE movie to watch, you have to respect what it did at the time. And it still holds up against today's standards.
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were using those same effect tricks. But they were low budget and shitty so they were avoided
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robotic cameras and sound. Not to mention the first to make CGI a household name.
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ALF'S SPECIAL CHRISTMAS.
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Even my childhood mind could pick up on those clues. Which means that quite a few in the audiences of the day also picked up on them. It does make movie watching more enjoyable, but I remember something Boetticher (sp?) said after being honored by the French for his westerns with Randolph Scott. Some French student said he saw the 'Christ crucifixtion allegory' in one of his films with regards to a tree in the desert, Boetticher responded, 'no it was just a tree'. Some people can read too much into it, but you know what? That is what makes is subjective and entertaining.
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Yeah, a movie about a stripper should have nudity in it, no?
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ripoffs based on his property.
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That is an epic TB.
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While we saw hazy views of his house?
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Yes, Altaira and her daddy. And yes, The Cook look poleaxed when Robby took the last bottle of liquor in hundreds of light years, and poured it down his own gullet!
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(his subversive lifestyle exiled from memory), the press ignored the death of Karl Malden, a sterling actor who contributed to the qualification of films as authentic classics (STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, ON THE WATERFRONT, BABY DOLL, PATTON, et al). A wonderful legacy has been neglected. Michael Jackson, adhering to Jesse Jackson's sole function as a p.r. parasite, wielded a compromised talent which paled compared to Mr. Malden's lustrous career. I'm elated that Mr. Murphy's activity, when eulogized sometime in the future, will hardly eclipse his so-called competition; I'm confident that Murphy's junk will not even be evoked in trivia competitions (exempting LEAGUE/GENTLEMEN's inevitable link to "Movies as missed/wasted opportunities." LEAGUE evolved from an intriguing premise to another CGI-plagued rhino turd that was profound as Joe Besser's "Stooge"). Michael Bay is the Dustin Diamond of producers; initially successful but finally annoying. His movies are about as poignant as Cleveland's 1954 "hula" tournament. He's never share the mantle with the producers/directors whom he obviously envies.
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The link you posted for Logan didn't work for me. What was the subject matter?
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And since we have a Thor TB - I SAY THEE NAY or NEIGH!!!
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It is a TB about Horse Fucking and a Horse Fucker named Equinas. I shit you not. Just funny and disturbing as hell.
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You;re argument is like someone who claims he is a military strategy buff but then puts down anyone who studies ancient Greek and Roman military history, or even Civil War and WWII history.
Film is a progressive art form - obviously technology has advanced since then. But that is taken into account when you watch and appreciate those movies - what they could do with the technology and tools they had at that time.
I don't mock Civil War and Revolutionary soldiers for lining up in a straight line and firing at each other. Sure it looks idiotic to our modern eyes but when you realize that muskets were incredibly inaccurate and that you couldn't really hit a single target so it was better to fire in mass you realize there was a method to their madness.
Same with film and special effects. They did things that way for a reason, and just like someone who wants to be a better soldier or officer might study ancient tactics, so does someone who is a film buff study older movies. At the very least to understand why we got to the point we are at.
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something about truth as a defence...
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Take the spaces out of the link...and enjoy...NAY!
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I'm just tired of these inane arguments that don't do anything.
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Thanx.
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Jul 13, 2009 11:35:52 PM CDT
Ya think Murph is pissed we are not talking about him?
by toadkillerdog
I am sure that if this TB is still in top ten tomorrow, it will swing back to him.
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Just scroll up and prove yourself wrong.
DrM - YW
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H.G. or Orson?
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Night, fellow PLANETEER!
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It's a fucking review site!
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Every village needs an idiot. And You are doing a great job!
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Watch the skies!
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Don't beat up your wife tonight.
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Don't know how you feel about Joss Whedon, but a bit of a homage to FP in SERENITY. A spaceship is labeled C 57-D.
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lockes mentioned that even "War Of The Worlds" was the better Wells film. The movie was based on a novel by H.G. Wells, not involving Orson Welles, who did the radio broadcast. He implied that "Citizen Kane" was the lesser of the Welles projects, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he meant that the radio broadcast was better than the motion picture.
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Well, never mind. A "special" DVD edition of CITIZEN KANE is in development for elitists like yourself. This colorized variant offers an optional ending (it turns out that "Rosebud" is a silver sled-surfin' android, christened Burnsteen, that gleefully incinerates black and white movies/negatives. SONS OF THE DESERT, DUCK SOUP, et al are cremated but your personal utopia--movies starring Pauly Shore, Chris Farley, Will Ferrell, Eugene Levy, et al--are indefintely preserved in an insulated "robot-shielded" vault. And, hey, anyone who who even alludes to directors outside of your comprehension--Mr. Welles, Jacques Tourneur, Truffaut, James Whale, Howard Hawks, Billy Wilde, et al--are "laser-blasted"). Bet you can't wait to collect the action figures!
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Do I think it's a good movie? It's okay. Yes, it is amazing what they did back then, but look at the sci fi films of that era, and tell me they weren't doing the exact same thing. Yes, I got the Wells' confused. But, I do like the War of the Worlds movie more than CK. I have several different versions of the radio drama, and they are all good, but film and radio are different mediums.
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rubbish like The Flock, TF2 and Star Trek [eponymous] should be ashamed to rear their empty, abominable heads.
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zzzz...oh, the movie's still playing?...zzz....
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...produced a shitfest movie which ended SEAN CONNERY's career. Sean was so disgusted with LXG and its filming process that he quit making movies.
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with the nonsensical screenname. Ditchclock? That's the best you could come up with?
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Jul 14, 2009 4:30:46 AM CDT
I've said this ever since the first Transformers movie
by gibsonusa returns
Yes, I did have my concerns while the first TF was being made, but I've always said Don Murphy seemed like a cool guy. I just dont see the a-hole people seem to be trying to make him out to be. I'm not kissing ass. Everything I recall reading from him...he's seemed like a cool guy.
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Epic quality.
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Don Simpson + Eddie Murphy = Don Murphy. The splice of life.
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...and direct to DVD release.
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nope
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"Fans of new the new Trek movie and TF2 are attacked daily by posters on here, but at the same time we must all praise pieces of shit like Exorcist 3."
You've just given examples of an Interesting Failure (EXORCIST III) and two Mediocre Successes (TF2 and STAR TREK). Most of us on here prefer an Interesting Failure to a Mediocre Success. I, for example, actualy ENJOYED the hell out of STAR TREK and TF2 - but I won't be talking about how interesting or intelligent they are, or how great the performances are, or how innovative and unusual the story / writing is, several years from now. Know why? Because they're cookie-cutter movies - simplistic in every way, requiring no brains whatsoever in order to enjoy them.
The stuff people talk about year from now is the innovative stuff, not the stuff where you know EXACTLY what's going to happen before you even watch the movie.
But there's really no need to get all bent out of shape over this. We can ALL enjoy ANY kinds of movies - but as far as quality goes, you can't argue that TF2 and STAR TREK are superior to the likes of EXORCIST III in any way other than in SFX and possibly sound design. That's all we're sayin'. -
Jul 14, 2009 7:39:35 AM CDT
CharlesThomasMathewsMom aka donny 2 chins: lay off the coke
by ironic_name
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but the childish rants on here... fuck - you're a millionaire, why do you care if some people don't like you? get off the drugs and take the family for a yearlong vacation in st barts. that is gonna lower your bloodpress' a lot more than lame yo mother attempts at humor.
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You want some fucking respect. Man up. Up the anti and challenge us to an MMA fight or something. Or challenge Uwe Boll to a boxing match, or sheering race.
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Good post. I concur 100%
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Came in here defending his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie and was shown that he didn't really know what he was talking about?
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My '72 Beetle. Your Porsche. Loser buys the coke.
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i was thinking you were gonna race him skiing the slopes. whoevers heart gives out first loses their car.
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don = fat and weird?
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I have the heart of Chev Chelios. He's doomed.
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I SAW THROUGH THE BULLSHIT
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Write a review of Caligula and I shall publish it here: http://tinyurl.com/ck5cds ......
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Give me shit for my name and then use the term "pathetic sockpuppet"? Moon seemed like a 1/2 hour film that they stretched into a feature.
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Jul 14, 2009 1:46:04 PM CDT
and still the Ferrets wriggle while we laugh at John Paul Young
by charlesthomasmathewsmom
You can post all you want for now, but once Don presents his case to Sideshow Toys who is left to pay for this shithole?
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Why don't you ever answer anyone's valid questions?
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Just admit you don't like them. A lot of people do. I know 10 people in my real life that think CK is shit, and liked Trek. Get off your high horse douchebag.
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period. you might not find it entertaining or enjoyable. thats fine. but from a filmmaking perspective and critical perspective (from both critics and filmmakers) KANE is KING. sorry to disappoint you and your friends.
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can you?
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Dude, we know it's you posting as CTMM and IHEART, so quit hiding behind your sock puppets and your 8 ball (snort!) and use your bloated, fat fingers to type your real name, coward. That is, if you can spell DONNY TWO CHINS thru your coke fueled haze. Boborci had to take his real name because "TalentlessHack" was already taken by Kurtzman. And I'm going to go buy something right now from Sideshow Toys, after clicking on it's link from this site, just so Harry/AICN gets credit for the sale, just to piss you off. Biiittchhh, pleeeasseeee.
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Have you seen every movie every made?
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and ive taken enough classes and seen enough films that eagerly rip off welles and cite his film as muy influential and know all the technical innovations that was used in it that we take for granted.
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episode stretched into a feature. Star Trek is smarmy, yuppified Trek.
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I bet he's seen the movie once. He's just saying it's good to fit in with the cool kids.
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It really was a revolutionary film that teaches us film students so much about story and technique.
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are just upset because their order for Rene Belloq is on back order due to high nerd demand for something that's 12 inches.
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don murphy e mailed me in response to a comment I wrote about transformers. wasnt even something that bad - i made a joke about it probably being as good as murphys other awesome work - but he e mailed telling me how he was having dinner with lee tamahori and they were laughing at what a pathetic loser I was and something about my moms basement etc etc. it was incredibly odd.
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that have videos up on Youtube.
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that should go without saying. personally i find touch of evil more entertaining, but that doesnt slight KANE for what it was, is, and will always be--THE BEST FILM. can you name anything wrong with KANE? can you name any films better--i hope those up there in the posts earlier were not them--forrest gump, rudy, the natural, airplane? seriously?
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Jul 14, 2009 2:58:05 PM CDT
Wow, I feel sorry for you if you think Kane is the best
by lockesbrokenleg
film ever. Do you still think movies can't be in color, either?
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We've had some great LOST conversations and other discussions in other TBs, so why are you being such a dick?
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I don't know why he thinks Kane is the best movie ever? Cause it has cool models? Star Wars had models, too.
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With that last response, I really have to believe that's your game. I don't see why it bears repeating, but LOTS of people- film critics, filmmakers, cinephiles, etc- believe that Citizen Kane IS one of the best, if not THE best, film ever made. Why would it bother you that Six Demon Bag also thinks this?
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Jul 14, 2009 3:06:48 PM CDT
MURPHY, WHAT'S THE NEXT PROPERTY THAT YOU'LL FETCH....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Like a good little dog to make Spielberg and Bay rich? How much was your cut of the gross on these movies? Oh, that's right, it was the sweat off of Bays balls. I hope that you've got something else to peddle because one they stop making these movies I'm afraid you'll be back to "Producing" shit like Double Dragon 2 or you whores next movie. When and if she even shits out a kid I'd get a blood test if I was you but I’d don’t think you’ll need it since the kid will be black.
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is not right in the head. Citizen Kane is the movie that will never be overrated. This mvoie is either rightly appreciated or underappreciated. Never overrated.
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Jul 14, 2009 3:11:15 PM CDT
It doesn't boither me that people think CK is the best ever
by lockesbrokenleg
movie. It just bothers me to think that he thinks all other movies can't be.
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You are doing the good fight. The more people get to know the dealings of such parasites as Don Murphy, the better. It's people like Don Murphy which have dragged down Hollywood from the heights it achieved in the 70s to the cultural, intellectual and filmmaking misery that is today.
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Jul 14, 2009 3:21:58 PM CDT
hey don, I pirate your movies! no cause I wanna see them tho
by ironic_name
just to piss you off.
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There shouldn't even be a discussiona bout it. Beside,s the fact that citizen Kane is the best movie ever made will not take away the merit of other very good movies. Why people feel threatned of Citizen Kane's Best Movie Ever Made just label is beyond me! It being the best movie ever made will not diminish your personal favorite movie at all. Easy!
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wait, are we talking about.. nvrmnd.
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im not saying its my favorite film (goodfellas and jaws and raiders) but if you love ANY aspect of film, you have to have respect for the film. as with anything, you need to respect what preceeded it. for all its glories, that is why we still talk about KANE. you can be a child today who think Terminator Salvation was the greatest fuckiing film in the world, but you need to respect the films that inspired it. yet, you still havent sacked up and thrown down your opinion of the BEST film. you are probably skimming for some obscure movie.
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yep that just happened.
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just like there will never be another MJ. there literally is nothing that can be groundbreaking anymore..what BULLET-TIME is the best they have now? GREEN SCREEN. what citizen kane did was find new ways to tell story with visual tricks and great storytelling. this should be a given.plus, the world we live in now is too fucking jaded and cynical to even accept a film like KANE. we want flash and smoke and mirrors and obviously two ebonic speaking robots to entertain us with its great storytelling.
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You are okay in my book. I will buy you a copy of the CK Blue Ray.
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Because a lot of Kane's tricks WERE smoke and mirrors. Hell, there's even a shot that literally spells it out for you: Kane is seen dancing in a smokey reflection!
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I DO enjoy blockbustsers and popular films - I've said several times that I ENJOYED TF2 and TREK - just that they are NOT as good as interesting failures such as EXORCIST III (amongst many others) and that I know for a fact I WILL NOT be talking about TF2 or TREK ten years from now because they just ARE NOT QUALITY MOVIES. Other than their exceptional SFX and sound, they are bog-standard cookie-cutter movies with utterly predictable plots and banal storytelling, not to mention two-dimensional characters and terrible camerawork (which explains why watching TF2 felt like being beaten around the head for two hours plus with a Marshall amp stack whilst being forced to stare at the world through special glasses that make everything neon, glowing and ten times closer than they really are).
They're like cheeseburgers - fun at the time, but ultimately empty. You can ENJOY them, but they'll NEVER be classics, and you sure as hell won't be discussing the finer points of ANY narrative written by those hacks Kurtzman and Orci any time in the future.
I can't make this any clearer! -
We all like movies. I'm gonna go watch CK tonight. Really. You guys are cool. No hard feelings.
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CITIZEN KANE is the best biopic ever made.
That I'll go with. Best film... no.
Personally i'm a viewer who likes action, swords, fighting, battles. Therefore to me SEVEN SAMURAI (made about 10 years after Kane) is the better film. Forgive me if im stating the fucking obvious but 'to each his own' is the order of the day. -
Jul 14, 2009 3:43:07 PM CDT
C K is the Starr Wars and Lord of the Rings of its day
by lockesbrokenleg
I admit that no question.
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Why be threatened by the mantle of Greatest Movie Ever on KANE? I saw KANE o an A Level Media Studies course here in the UK - had to write essays on it and such. And whilst I can admire its many innovations, originality and imagniation, plus the exemplary technical skill with which it was created - if you asked me do I want to watch CITIZEN KANE or BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, Jack Burton wins EVERY TIME.
CITIZEN KANE fully deserves the title of Greatest Movie Of All Time. But it's not MY Greatest - I have several of those, none of which are KANE. But it's arguable that KANE IS the Greatest - technically, narratively, and in most departments, its achievements in the realms of film-making cannot be over-estimated.
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No hard feelings - apologies if I coume across all judgmental-like. There's no harm in watching summer movies - hell, we all revere Spielberg as a Movie God, and where did he get his biggest breaks? SUMMER MOVIES. Hell, he and George Lucas practically INVENTED the concept.
And if Michael Bay hadn't created the TRANSFORMERS franchise, I wouldn't have almost torn my cock off in the last few years to that slut goddess Megan "Mega" Fox.
To each his own, as a wise 39976 veteran Professional once said. Hope you enjoy CITIZEN KANE (try not to hold its age against it!) - and as an added extra treat, try watching Humphrey Bogart's CASABLANCA and Pamela Anderson's BARB WIRE back-to-back. BARB WIRE is a direct rip-off of CASABLANCA, right down to Pamela being Bogart, Temeura Morrison being Lauren Bacall and Xander Berkeley being the shady Italian policeman. It even has EXACTLY the same last scene, and ALMOST the same last few lines!
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You'll all think it's awesome until you realise it's basically DANCES WITH WOLVES with aliens in place of Native Americans. And Sam Worthington will be considerably more well armed than Costner was.
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In truth naming the greatest movie of all time is always going to be 'subjective'.
The only 'objective' way to judge it is to base it on popularity - a measurable, quantifiable thing - box office.
Therefore, tragically, 'the greatest movie of all time' = TITANIC.
Incidentally LOTR: ROTK is no.2 and fucking PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MANS CHEST is no.3. -
Kudos for sticking with your principles while the entire fucking Talkback went out to get you! And you didn't resort to telling us all to go eat a big bag of steaming dicks, either.
Kudos and respect. you are a true fucking Professional. Go get 'em. -
Jul 14, 2009 3:52:34 PM CDT
I'm glad the openning scenes of barb wire and casablanca are dif
by ironic_name
I don't wanna see bogey getting water sprayed on his silicon boobs.
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You just can't walk in and out of there like the wind!
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Damn, I wanna watch BARB WIRE now!
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Great movie. Have you ever seen the Moonlighting take off of it? Hilarious.
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Jack Burton is my idol. If Christian Bale could laugh (which he CAN'T) he'd be the next Jack Burton.
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So many old classic movies have been ripped off and put into another genre. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
Shane = Soldier
High Noon = Outland
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You are not bwaught upon this Earth to "get it"!
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You don't need to be spock to objectivelly understand why Xitizen Kane is the best movie ever made. Yes, there's tonnes of objective reasons for why that mvoie is so highly and rightly claimed as the best movie ever made. There's by now 68 years of continual study of the movie that ends up with the same result: CK is the best movie ever made. Best and most influential. Basically, CK invented modern film way before modern film ever existed. Truly avant la letre work. Let me jsut say this, no modern movie as exists today would be like they are without Citizen Kane. NONE! Even counting your beloved and awesome SEVEN SAMURAI (which is funny you call it an action movie, when in fact it's a character drama with kick ass action moments).And when i mentioend spock above, i ment the TOS version of Spock, not the emo version by JJ/Orci.
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Absolutely no progress since I went to try to sleep. Oh, wait...BTLC love. Much better.
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That's a great classic i just can't bring myself to like it. I recognize it's greatness, i recognize it's importance in film history, i admire it... but i can't like it. And i know it's totally for personal reasons. But that doesn't mean that i'll be blind to it's qualities. That would be stupid.
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Are there two versions of you? Because in here you are acting all intelligent, mannered, ballanced, thoughful and respectful. In the Appolo 11 talkback, you are being a bit of a dick. But maybe you are acting like that thjere due to the influence of that other fellow there whose nick i can't bother to write. I think i have misunderstood you, and for that i appologise.
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Sometimes I like to clown around. I don't mean anything by it. I was just clowning around in the other thread.
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Asimov, trust you to drag Star Trek back into it... sigh...
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it comes out.
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I can objectively understand why CITIZEN KANE is the best biopic ever made. It's comparable. It's a like for like evaluation.
Soon as you compare it up against a historical epic like a SPARTACUS or a SEVEN SAMURAI then you lose all objectivity. Different genres are chalk and cheese. Trying to evaluate whether the best-ever biopic is better than the best-ever historical epic is entirely subjective.
There you go, Asimov. Do you feel suitably schooled? -
"Sometimes I like to clown around."I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes i do that myself too. And sometimes, too many times, i do that in real life as well, not just on the tyalkbacks. And i always regreat doing that, you know what i mean?
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Whenever i need to compare something with pure shit, yeah, i'll drag tthat movie as way of example, because it's the freshest example and is still on people's minds. Oh yeah!
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What need i would have for that DVD? It's too harsh to be used as toilet paper.
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but I like them both.
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Citizen Kane is not a biopic. It doesn't matter if Charles Foster Kane was heavily inspired by two or three major important people of the early 20th century USA, the fact remains that Kane is an fictional character. So, the movie is not a biopic, it's a character study drama.
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I love 2001 like my own blood, maybe even more. You have no idea how much i love that movie. It is one of my top favorite movie. And yet, i think Citizen Kane is a better movie. Not by much, but it is. I'm certain you understand me.There is a differenc ebetween we love a movie, between we love a movie we know for sure it's a genuinely great movie, and between a truly great movie even if it is not among one of our favorites but which is better then any of our own personal favorites.And by all means, please, do watch Citizen Kane, if only for curiosity's sake.
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I think i goofed up. You are not the fellow who had not seen Citizen Kane yet but was about to watch it tonight, are you?
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Bio pic definition = 'a film dramatizing the life of a famous person'
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I've probably seen it about 10 times.
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I'm sorry to be a pit pedantic about defenitions here, but no, a fictional character is not a famous person. Citizen Kane is a character study drama about a fictional character. Gandhi is a biopic about an important and well known real person. There's a world of difference in there.Yeah,i know, character study drama is not somethign to say as quickly and easily as biopic, but c'est lá vie!
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That means you have seen the movie like 4 more thems then i have. I need to catch up.
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CK makes me think of Calvin Klein, man!
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...AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER I SHOULD PUKE OR WHIP OUT MY 9" AND RUB ONE OUT.
THOUGHTS, PEOPLE? I'M OPEN TO FUCKING SUGGESTIONS BUT YOU BETTER KEEP THEM INTERESTING YOU DOUCHEBAG MONGS. -
SEVEN SAMURAI is an action film. It is a samurai film, a genre about samurai's fighting which is a part of the action genre. Samurai's fight in this movie, a lot, and the entire conflict of the film is the samurais fighting the bandits - that is what they are their for and what they hope to accomplish. Sure is is also a character drama, but so is The French Connection and that still falls under the crime genre.
CITIZEN KANE is not a biopic. Biopic means Biographical Picture, so since it is not based on a real person (yes it is loosely based on Randolf Hearst but loosely) you can't say it is a biopic. It is a technicality, but we have to stick with it. -
Ok - not really, but fuck it, I love that movie. Ready to fight to the TB death against anyone - even Liberal Warrior over this! So any of you motards got something to say against the Hawk ya better be 'ware!
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sorry im late guys to the Burton+1 party. just got me some GI JOE love
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Was that before or after Lee Tamahori dressed like a woman and offered a cop a blowjob?
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Call 1-800-I'm Gonna Fucking Die!!!'Hudson Hawk is the shit. I got your back, toadkillerdog.
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even the insults are reruns.
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But God do I hate fuckin' Hudson Hawk. Sitting in the theater watching that was one painful experience.
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I used to like Hudson Hawk more then i do today. I used to like Hudson Hawk more back when i had far more tolerance for Bruce Willis' muggings for the camera then i have today.
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but I saw it again recently, and it was so painful to sit thorugh. Ag
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Jul 14, 2009 5:43:47 PM CDT
All right Ted! It might just be the two of us against the world!
by toadkillerdog
Fuck all y'all haters! Hudson Hawk was awesome, and I am not even trying to just stir the shit. I loved that flick. Danny Aiello and Bruce singing!
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The third musketeer arrives.
I too liked THE HAWK.
"Would ya like to swing on a star.." -
Cobra!
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I think you guys are being a little pedantic on this biopic thing.
I say CITIZEN KANE falls squarely within that genre for a whole host of obvious reasons. I also say that being the 'best in your genre' is the highest accolade you can give a film. No one film can be considered the 'best of all time' because of the inherent differences between genres. -
You should be seeing the praises of a real awesome movie - like Bugsy Malone. 10-year old Jodie Foster as gangster mol and slut? Fuck, my five or six year old brain couldn't handle it. That might have been the first time I pre-matured in my pants.
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But ti's aslo goofy as well. Verhoeven defend's the movie's goffiness in that since the entire plot of Quaid being a super-spy is in fact the running of the dream program he bought at Rekall, it explains all the weird goofiness and strange and impossible stuff it happens in the movie. Yeah, that's right according to Verhoeven, all the plot of the movie from the Rekall scenes foward are entirely Quaid's dreamworld. Which makes sense.
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Lack of lesbian sex scenes and a serious lack of Bale.
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"You could'a bin anything that ya wanted to be... la la la"
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When his dream program runs out, he doesn't wake up, and dies. It's depressing.
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It's not being pedantic, it's being correct. And it's important to be correct. Or else, this is why we get such fallacies as people using expressions such as "quantum leap" to qualify a big change, when in fact it means the exact oposite, but it got popularized by a dumb ignorant reported who knew shit of science.The biopic only, AND ONLY aplies to movies which are biographies of people who lived or are still alive. Biopic literally means biographic picture, picture as in movie.Citizen Kane is a drama about a fictional character. It's not the same thing at all. It really is a world of difference there, and it's not pedantic to accertain the difference and to put the biopic defenition in it's proper context and meaning. Words cannot and must not change their meaning just because of our own personal fancies and lack of vocabulary.
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The love must flow. And The Hawk deserves love! Or would you rather be a fish?
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Hmmm... most biopics are kinda fiction anyway aren't they? A 'dramatic account' of how things might have unfolded rather than boring old realism.
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Conti, Jodie Foster's 'hot or not?' status is a strange one.
She's done some films (like NELL) where she has zero sex appeal, and others (MAVERICK) where she most definitely has.
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You wouldn't have a chance with her.
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He is a corpse fucking paedo! Said with affection.
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Would I fuck the Foster? Yeah, probably... but if she started doing that NELL voice halfway through i'd go limper than a wet mackerel in an instant.
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The closest thing to a cartoon you can get without actually drawing anything. I'll never apologize for that one. And Total Recall is a classic to me as well. The violence, the quips, the accent. It's like going home again. Maybe I just haven't matured at all since I was a kid.
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Doesn't matter if the biopics end up with as much fiction in them as any truly fictional story. The point remains that any biopic intention is to tell the story of a real person that lived or still lives. that's very different from the fictional take of a fictional character which was the creation of an author.This difference, evne if you only see them as technicalities, are very important. but most important of all, words have specific meanings which cannot be betrayed by our own personal fancies, misinterpretations or lack of vocabuliary.Citizen Kane is a brillant FICTIONAL DRAMA movie. Not a biopic. Never was, never will be that, no matter how much you want it to be. Citizen Kane is as much a biopic as Batman Begins is a biopic.
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But she had a few moments when she could really smoke you like a kipper!
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Highly entertaining. Has not dimmed one iota. A great sci fi actioner
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is the most well known "secret" in Hollywood since the late 80s.
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At least for me because i was a big fan of her when I was kid - Bugsy Malone, Taxi Driver, The Little Girl Who Lived Down the Lane and Foxes. They were all early sexual fantasies for me, and I think Foxes was one of the first movies I beat off to.
And the way I figure it, you convince her to go to bed with you it ain't gonna take much to convince her to let you bring another girl into bed. That's got to be worth a couple of points. -
In the 90s Jodie Foster was totally the babe!
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You win this round Asimov.
...but i'll be back.
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Shit, that stuff is nothing compared to some of the shit I said in Twitch.
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Just women who haven't slept with Bale yet.
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But she has aged hard
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Bale could turn anyone to whatever team meant they could sleep with him.
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But the hottest Jodie ever got on film, for my money, was the Accused. Honestly, I've never seen it, but I know the story, so it's not the rape imagery that excites me. I just thought she looked kinda skanky in the Accused. And that's hot, imo.
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Yes, she did look skanky in that one. And now we know that Kelly McGillis was eyeballin her too!
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Jul 14, 2009 6:34:43 PM CDT
I like women. Lesbians like women. Therefore I'm Lesbian
by toadkillerdog
With a really deep voice
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In Contact, I wanted to take her over that computer console and bang her silly.
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and freaky friday. those sweet sweet braces.
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great Goldsmith score too.
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i have proof.
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Jul 14, 2009 6:43:34 PM CDT
TR is Michael ironside's best film role next to Top Gun
by lockesbrokenleg
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just kidding.
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I love HUDSON HAWK so much, I bought the tie-in novel, and read it so many times I can actually quote parts of it verbatim. One of the best tie-in novels EVER - because the writer really GETS the Jersey vibe and humour of it. Second only to GHOSTBUSTERS as best tie-in novel EVER (and GB only wins because the entire novel is written inm the present tense. Have you any idea how DIFFICULT that is?)
HUDSON HAWK is in my top ten comedies of all time. I will NEVER apologise for my love for that cat burglar and his love for those unmasculine European coffees. If ever Willis should reprise a role, HAWK IS THE ONE! -
I thought Ironside was awesome in Scanners.
Another good role for Ironside was Visiting Hours. Movie sucked, but Ironside was good in it as a psycho serial killer. -
A movie starring Hudson Hawk and Jack Burton?
Even Michael Bay has no concept of the amount of AWESOME required to begin making THAT fucking movie.
Best. Movie. EVER! -
Even in TERMINATOR: SALVATION, where he was the second most obviously typecast character (misguided and ultimately crap, though Good, character) next to Bale (intense, shouts a lot, saves the world, WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?!?!?).
IRONSIDE IS ALWAYS AWESOME. Witness his demise in STARSHIP TROOPERS. Incredible stuff. -
By God, witness her in MAVERICK. Fucking hell.
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And McGillis' current lover at the time, Whitney Houston, showed up on the set of the accuse to yell at Kelly.
And no I am not making this up. It is what I heard. -
Jul 14, 2009 6:54:10 PM CDT
Sprinkler system set up in the back! Can you fucking believe it?
by spud mcspud
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You lying bastard. Swear on the name of BALE that this is so.
foster and Gillis in the TOP GUN era. What a double-team THAT would have been. Hmmmmmmm... -
That is what I heard.
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In V. He just kicked Marc Singers ass all over the screen - even though he never layed a finger on him. Dude made that Mini when he showed up!
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You're right. Fancying Foster in THE ACCUSED is VERY creepy.
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Jul 14, 2009 6:57:09 PM CDT
Good morning, gentlemen, the temperature is 110 degrees.
by lockesbrokenleg
Holy Shit it's Viper!!
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Are you aware of a Bale like audio catch of Whitney going off on Kelly?
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It's 1am here in the UK, and I got an early appointment to go see HALF BLOOD PRINCE with Mrs Spud-To-Be first thing tomorrow. Plus I'm fucking knackered.
I'm heartened to see the depth of the love for BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA and HUDSON HAWK. Now THAT is why I love the AICN TBs. You fuckers have SUCH GREAT TASTE!
Have a good one, people. I'll be back in the am. SPUD OUT! -
I have it from two different sources that this is a true story, Both are in the business and both are carpet munchers so I think that ads a lot of credibility to their claim.
For the record, neither one of my sources is Ellen or Rosie O'Donnell. -
Jodie must a soaked her bvds just thinking about that!
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Genius! 'Guess you won't be attending that HAT convention in July.'-I have no doubt in my mind that Willis thought that one up himself, then browbeat the director (Lehman?) into putting it in the movie.
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Jul 14, 2009 7:17:47 PM CDT
Damn, McGillis and Foster. is it weird all the women I have
by lockesbrokenleg
crushes on are Lesbo?
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it would make the Bale-back look like your average 100 post Script-Girl talkback.
I'll keep my fingers crossed. -
Than I would say you need help.
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JESTER'S DEAD!!!!
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That's my Michael Ironside impression from Starship Troopers, THANK YOU! *bows*
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He keeps trying to interject some insults, and we just brush him aside and continue with our real, genuine cinema discussions. He could learn a thing or two from that.
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I nearly fapped.
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Jul 14, 2009 8:53:45 PM CDT
you see teen, illegal nip in "The Little Girl Who Lives Down the
by ironic_name
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when I decided to write my assumtion of our collective approval of lesbians, I thought "thumbs up" so that is completly unintentional.
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is also and excellent book.
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Seriously, you and some of the other guys Murphy harasses should sue Donny for cyberstalking. (Especially those of you whose blogs and forums he stalks.)
It's the new crime that's in all the press lately, and that fat fuck has deep pockets.
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Why? Because your a self-important douche bag. Hate to break it to you loser...your mark on history will be about the same as the average porn fluffer.100 years from know and no one will ever care about any of the throw away movies you've been involved in. No wait make that 10 years.REAL PROFESSIONALS don't troll internet forums and worry/care about criticism from anonymous fan boys. You have thinner skin than Kevin Smith.
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at least now you have come to terms with the fact no girl will ever fuck you, so are just picking anyone female now. What the hell eh?
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Thank you Jodie Foster and Cherie Currie. Randy Quaid's house has Kiss posters on the walls. Fuck yeah.
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Threatening people who disagree him with his "stooge army" it is people like Murphy who get others hurt and laugh about it later, he creeps me the fuck out, have you read his semi demented ramblings on his website? nasty stuff, and totally bat shit crazy.
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Is your continual apologising for Transformers a sign you also think the sequel sucks?
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I shall get to work on that Caligula review. I'm not good at writing reviews but I'll get to watch the movie again and give it my best shot.
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Kelly McGillis re-enacts SILENCE OF THE LAMBS in private with the Foster.
"I ate her pussy and clit bean then washed it down with a nice chianti. Fa fa fa."
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Trust in Bale. He will guide you.
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Another well know Hollywood "secret", just like Jodie Foster.
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heres my caligula review---that girl has talent.
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I can't help loving that movie. It's so insane, i can't help admire it. They don't make them like they used to, that's for sure.
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That would tempt some Women over to the "other" side. :P
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It's a common misconception that a would would turn lesbian because of rape. But that's nonsense. And stupid too. Too bad some men can't accept that a women is a lesbian, and have to fantasise that lesbians are so because of soem traumatic shit, or becasue they never tasted a real men before. empowering male fantasies that are nothing but nonsense bullshit to satisfy men with little strengh of personality.
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