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Gary Ross, Screenwriter Behind BIG, DAVE & SEABISCUIT, Is Scripting SPIDER-MAN 4!!
I am – Hercules!!
Screenwriter Gary Ross is rewriting Sam Raimi’s “Spider-Man 4,” following drafts penned by James Vanderbilt ("The Rundown," "Zodiac") and David Lindsay-Abaire ("Robots," "Inkheart").
Ross has already scripted some mighty fine high-concept movies, including “Big” (starring Tom Hanks) and “Dave” (starring Kevin Kline), so I’m hugely gratified to hear the news.
This will be at least the third Tobey Maguire vehicle for Ross, who wrote and directed both “Pleasantville” and “Seabiscuit.”
If you run into Ross, ask him if he's going to let the Black Cat or the Kingpin slap Spidey around this time.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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The guy hates being spiderman and sounds like he has downs syndrome while playing peter parker. Get some one new that will make my panties wet.
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Big Dave and Seabiscut sound like horse porn?
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The year that Mikey from the Goonies won the Kentucky derby!
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Holy shit. Now we're getting movie names wrong on this site. Fuck me in the ass.
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It may be elsewhere on yours.
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They've had a good bunch of writers on this film, sounds promising.
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Spidy 3 sucked bawwwwls
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More Doc Connors!
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Truth be told I've never seen Spiderman 3. You guys have written so many angry comments, I've decided to save myself the agony of seeing it. How bad could it be?
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Just sayin'
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played by Martin Landau
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Sorry, this won't be getting my money. Tobey is 40 years old and to call him 'wooden' is an insult to wood. Part 3 ruined Venom, gave us Saturday Night Fever Parker, and tortured us with not one but TWO nails on chalkboard songs (in a super-hero movie!) sung by Snaggletooth Dunst who couldn't carry a tune in a fifty gallon bucket AND dissed all the fans during the SM3 press junket b/c she didn't think she was coming back and knew what a turd her movie was. If Raimi hadn't done DRAG ME TO HELL he would've lost all geeklove by now. This is a franchise in serious need of a REBOOT! Pass.
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Big Dave Seabiscuit. It has a nice ring to it.
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And as mentioned, the VULTURE.Yeah, thats the ticket!
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No more cameos!
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Shame too as I love Darkman and the Evil Dead movies.
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This obscure villan was in a Spiderman episode of the Electric Company in the early 70s, to which Morgan Freeman provided gravitas voice over. 3 more Sony films to go, my tingling senses say...the Can Crusher LIVES. Or, you know, notsomuch.
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would Michael Clark Duncan play kingpin again? at first I didn't like Daredevil, the the director's cut is actually really good. Spidey 3? eh- it's watchable...
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Spidey can't use Kingpin in the film series. Universal has screen rights to all Daredevil related characters until they relinquish the franchise. "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if they put Magneto in there? I bet its Magneto."
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Are you implying Jon Lovitz as the Vulture? Or as Electro?
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after Street fighter bombed. Offer him a part in spiderman 4 and he'll take it up the ass for you. fact.
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......no, my girlfriend Morgan Fairchild, whom I've slept with......
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...he won't have that stupid looking costume. What is up with the electric starfish mask? That doesn't say 'villainous', that just says 'Burning Man reject'.
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Jul 08, 2009 9:51:29 PM CDT
I hope it's as cheesy and gay as the first 2 movies
by trannyformers_apologist
Then I'll get to hear all the 16 year old goons tell me how great it is.
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Now that you mention it!!But MYSTERIO'S costume would be so cool!
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Sam Raimi, how many songs will MJ sing this time? Are we going to see him in Spider-Man costume at all this time, or will he just be watching MJ sing? SING SING SING. WHY DID YOU HAVE SO MANY SONG AND DANCE NUMBERS IN A COMIC-BOOK ACTION/ADVENTURE FILM? WHY DID YOU RUIN VENOM? AND WHEN HE WAS VENOM FOR ABOUT 5 SECONDS, WHY DID YOU NOT LET US SEE CLOSE-UPS OF HIS FACE AND RESORT TO HAVING US LOOK AT ERIC FORMAN? Whoa. Sorry. I just... wow. Sorry everyone.
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Please go into Spiderman 4 as if Spiderman 3 didn't happen. Just don't take the Bryan Singer approach a la Superman Returns.
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I'm for Kraven the Hunter in Spider-Man 4. Is it cliche to say 'Russell Crowe'? Well damn it... I want Russell Crow.
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The arc for Venom should have began as a C plot in Spider-Man 3, come to fruition in Spider-Man 4, and then set the stage for Carnage in Spiderman 6 (Spider-Man 5 could've been a break from that, but had a few hints and bits here and there... another C storyline, if you will). But none of what I say matters obviously, as we are looking at a film version of whatever that crap they're putting on Broadway is going to be. "Spider-Man: In The Dark", with music by Bono. WHO CARES IF IT'S MUSIC BY BONO? WHO CARES IF ELVIS RETURNS FROM THE GRAVE TO COMPOSE? SPIDER-MAN ISN'T A MUSICAL. Well, Spider-Man 3 was. Thanks again, Sam. Awesome.
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Lets forget it and move one.
Though Superman Returns is hardly a shining example.
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Kevin Kline has such great timing...I'm gonna have to se if that's on bluray.
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Just like Homer's desire to live under the sea, it AINT gonna happen.
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...rent a room from Spongebob Squarepants?
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NEVER. DO YOU HEAR ME? NEVER.
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They have been building to the Lizard for sometime, and think to add Kraven to the mix could really make sense, with a "lizard" and a "spider" on the loose, and maybe Kraven will realise he needs a lizard to help catch a spider.
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'nuff said...
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The way I see it, complaining about Spider-Man 3 means shit in regards to a new, completely Raimi controlled 4.
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I always hated Kraven with his Tom Selleck moustache, leopard capri pants and little slippy shoes. I realize they'll prob give him an x-men leather costume re-design but he doesn't even have any powers. I like Doc Connors and Lizard but how about Scorpion or D'Spayre?
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I like the scriptwriters who have been on this. Zodiac is a tremendous script.
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...Where Kraven comes to hunt Doctor Conners as the Lizard, and Spidey has to try and capture and cure him before Kraven can finish him off. If you're going to do more than one villain, they need to logically relate to each other within the plot.
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Focus on Spidey in New York, doing Spidey-type stuff. Oh, that's right. They can't do that. It would limit the opportunities for Happy Meal toys.
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and refilm and show spiderman 3 in an intro, where venom didn't die and kirsten didn't sing, no emo haircuts and harry wasn't a snowboarder.
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flame all you want, but he'd be the perfect Peter Parker/Spider-Man in a reboot. he'd definitely be able to channel the wise-cracking aspect of Spidey *sorely* absent from Tobey's iteration. seriously, how long is it going to take for Tobey to stop fucking moping around, sad and unsure of himself? shit was cool in S1, but goddamn... by the end of S2 he should've been in full swing (pardon the pun). just give it up, guy... and don't even get me started on MJ...
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the same person who wrote The Rundown, also wrote Zodiac.
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I think if you go strictly down the early Kraven, who can easily be over the top and thus silly you have a point. But I think you can easily make a few changes from the classic version to make him more modern and less over the top.
If you go classic Kraven, it could be about adding a trophy to his cabinet, but he could really be a hired killer/bounty hunter hired by the Mafia or another interest group.
Really its about a human, who doesn't need powers, who uses ingenuity, equipment, incredible training to deal with animals much bigger/stronger and faster than himself or super powered beings. -
Jul 08, 2009 11:24:34 PM CDT
No one in the world will suggest this Kraven casting...
by danielkurland
And it will absolutely never happen, but Angus Macfayden would at least be a viable person to CONSIDER.
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Jul 08, 2009 11:27:14 PM CDT
JUST GIVE US A REBOOT ALREADY FOR FUCK SAKES...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Raimi really shit the bed with SM3 and I am NOT looking forward to the further advetures of Cry Me a River and Snaggletooth McTrollface. SM3 killed my interest in seeing any more SM flicks nor can I watch or enjoy the first two movies because, just like X-Men 3, the promise that the series was building towards a great climax was destroyed by a shitty sequel. This isn’t the Friday the 13th or James Bond series where the sequels have very little to do with one another and you can simply enjoy them on a film by film basis while ignoring the crap sequels. The Spider-man/X-Men movies both had the opportunity to be great trilogies and instead we got one good film, one great film and a piece of shit capping it off. I really fucking wish Raimi hadn’t of done part 3 and handed the series to someone who would have spread out the symbiote/Venom storyline over two movies. Also, the thing that I loved about SM2 was the way the characters had evolved from the first one and how they changed over the course of the movie. In part 3, characterization was completely stagnant nor were there any major developments apart from Harry snuffing it. Peter and MJ break up but get back together at the end. Aunt May is still giving sage advice. Blah blah blah In part 3 Peter should have graduated from Universtity and working as Dr. Conners teaching assistant. That way it would create greater drama when he turns into The Lizard and say he meets Gwen Stacey (making her a student of Conner’s was the only good idea the move had) but don’t make her a fucking fashion model. Parker shouldn’t have been peddling photos to Jameson as that schtick was getting old by the end of part 2. Jameson should have got out of print and been turned into a Bill O’ Reilly type with his own TV show, just do something different with the character. Say MJ was working on a shitty soap opera and discovered that she had a talent for writing drama and by the end she’s given up being an actress and is now a full time writer. The influence of the symbiote causes Peter and MJ to permanently break up. Aunt May dies. Peter shouldn’t be living in a cramped room because he’s now making good money now that he’s graduated from University. The worst part of Part 3 was the fucking amnesia subplot involving Harry Osbourne. What a load of shit. It would have been ten times better if Harry (sitting in his hospital bed after Peter kicked his ass) realized that he couldn’t take on Parker so he decides to fake amnesia. He then hits on MJ, gets her drunk, drugs and date raps her. She gets pregnant and tells Peter that it’s Harry’s baby. Peter, under the influence of the symbiote, backhands her. These events would effectively end their relationship so that parker could move on to Gwen Stacey in part 4. Harry could even kill Aunt May and make it look like an accident BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH… There were any number of ways that part 3 could have been better but Raimi fucked it up because he was trying to have t both ways by claiming that it was the final part of a trilogy while keeping the door open for another film. He should have been plotting part 3 and 4 back to back with a few top writers instead of writing it himself with his dipshit brother.
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This series is too goddamned brooding for its own good. Let's get back to superheroes actually ENJOYING their fucking powers.
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The fact that you think the symbiote story was worth two movies shows you have no clue what you were talking about. Venom is one of the most boring and over used villains in Spider-Man's history. He never should have been in the third movie at all.
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All incredibly valid points. I'd have enjoyed watching that movie.
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When Spider-Man 2 came out, so many were heralding it as the BEST comic book movie. It's just funny to see only after a few years later, how drastically not only this franchise itself has changed, but also the climate and general attitude toward comic book movies.
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Thank you.
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...they have a shower scene with Peter "motorboating" Mary Jane?You're welcome Hollywood!
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it blows my mind that 3 films in, Peter is still a mopey, self-doubting cunt. dude, you're a guy with the abilities of a goddamned spider! go enjoy that shit! oh, and while we're at it...
can we please cut out the music bit(s) for 4? please?
can we have someone other than MJ held hostage in the end? is she the only bitch Spidey will put his life on the line for?
can Aunt May kick the fucking bucket? we get it. you miss Uncle Ben and are proud of Peter... move on.
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I'm down for Lizard and Morbius! And yeah...more Spider-Man, less Peter Parker please...
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for fuck sake, spiderman movies are so boring. peter parker is a fuckin jerkoff, i hate him. and spiderman barely ever does anything cool. its just about feelings and morals. its like being forced to learn to share in kindergarten all over again.
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Miyamoto- re:Kraven. I admit the Kraven/Lizard plot works but meh. I don't go to SUPERhero movies to see Jason Bourne/Sigfried and Roy combo with no powers. But yes, Kraven would need a serious image overhaul. If it is Kraven they should cast Gerard Butler.
CHARLESTHOMASMATTHEWS - I can't watch parts I n II anymore either because III sucked so bad. I like your version til you went off on the date rap tangent. Ehhhh, not in a Spidey movie, thx. -
Jul 09, 2009 12:01:33 AM CDT
characters like BC and kingpin are to DRAB to use for a big bude
by king conan
summer blockbuster action flick. you need kraven/lizard or electro/rhino
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Jul 09, 2009 12:02:05 AM CDT
The Funketeer, YOU'RE WRONG, THE SYMBIOTE WAS A GREAT IDEA....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Because it could have been used a metaphor for the corruption of power. Raimi hit upon some of that in how he showed Parker becoming more of a douchebag but he didn’t go far enough. I wanted to see the screws tighten on Peter until he wasn’t merely capturing criminals but beating the fucking shit out of them and snapping some bones. MJ gets pregnant with Harry’s baby and he beats the fuck out of her. Aunt May snuffs it. Climax the movie with Peter actually killing Harry once he learns about everything Osbourne has done. That would be the moment that Peter goes to the church out of guilt for what he has done and gets rid of the symbiote which attaches itself to Eddie Brock. Raimi’s movie did some of these thing’s but in such a hamfisted way that they came off as laughable. Raimi’s idea of showing the corruption of a human soul is to have Parker brush his hair over his face, dress in black and dance like a fucking moron. Spider-man 3 should have been The Dark Knight of that series but Raimi is incapable of reaching that level of depth. Its became more and more apparent over the years that Raimi’s got nothing but his camera tricks. Outside of the first two Evil Dead and Spider-man films, his movies have been garbage and any time he’s tried for something heavier (A Simple Plan) he fucks it up because they guys always been a visualist. He’s not an Actors Director nor is he capable of anything beyond superficial melodrama.
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Hadn't seen it since opening weekend. Pretty much unwatchable. Thankfully the disc started fucking up halfway through the movie. Even my PS3 has higher standards than that, apparently. So, bottom line... this is good news.
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Jul 09, 2009 12:10:20 AM CDT
well guess what uncle bens first killer is coming back
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
AGAIN and the actor playing him was quoted as saying "who said i died" in refrence to the first movie. HOW ABOUT THE FACT WE ALL SAT THERE AND WATCH YOU DIED!!!! FUCK YOU RAIMI!!
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But it's really shocking that Raimi DOES decide to show Parker's corruption with him fucking dressing in black and other incredibly "easy" methods. It works, I guess. But there are immensely better ways to show it, and Raimi most definitely does take the easy way out.
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dark knight showed corruption. spider-man 3 showed how to deal with problems if your a whiny gay emo superhero who watches queer eye for the straight guy and thinks masks are so pre labor day and worried about what shade of black to wear to the hottest jazz clubs.
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Jul 09, 2009 12:19:48 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN'S REAL KILLER IS....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
AUNT MAY DUH DUH DUH!!! Peter spends the ENTIRE FUCKING MOVIE with tears coming out of his pussyface as MJ asks people trick questions so they can cross the Brooklyn bridge!!!
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over DRAG ME TO HELL. I would have fallen asleep if it wasn't for that God awful,fingernails on a chalkboard soundtrack.
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Jul 09, 2009 12:22:36 AM CDT
why do I surround myself with you stupid, cynical fuckers
by m00kiedood
Sometimes I come to this site and bask, and feel my geek batteries recharge.
But then most times I come here and just want wash the whole lot of you fuckers off of me.
What. You feel Raimi is obliged to you? You feel McGuire needs to make amends to you? You shake your tiny fists in outrage over comic book story lines that have been trodden or fanboy dreams that were never realized? You, who have never held a living female breast, froth furiously over Dunst?
Yeah. Go jerk yourself a soda.
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Boatloads
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But what a lot of people are saying here is that Raimi made a film so bad that it has since made them view the first two movies, which were at a time, very good, now seem bad. How often does a film come along that does that? And do people not have a right to be skeptical accordingly?
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Jul 09, 2009 12:32:03 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN KILLED HIMSELF!!!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
DUH DUH DUH!!!
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Could you describe what holding a "living female breast" would feel like. You know, for those of us that will never get the chance!Or is "living female breast" a code word meaning your dick, that thing that hasn't been out of your hand a total of 15 minutes of your life!
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and do the Hobgoblin right! Not with a fuckin wanna be iron man goblin armor suit but a REAL material purple/orange costume and the fuckin yellowish mask!
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I get what you are saying about Bourne movies etc, but like Dark Knight, Iron Man etc we can have superheores without powers and they can be interesting too.
From a Spidy perspective its cool to see swing him around, but its his human side, that is the catch, that draws us into his story, his struggle, his growth, balancing life and of course his humour, his quips. -
Jul 09, 2009 12:37:08 AM CDT
spider-man 3 destroyed the fucking essence of what made...
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
peter parker spider-man. how can you fucking change who killed them. and it fucking means peter was wrong to be spider-man in the first place, making the scene were he tracks down the killer and confronts him (which was actually a good scene) fucking useless. fuckin raimi. i fucking loved spider-man 2 but spider-man 3 was such a fucking disgrace i have no respect for him. peter dancing. harry getting amnesia. the corny forced team up between harry and peter and the end followed by a fucking stupid faggy cry fest. sandman killing a bunch of people, but forgiven because his daughter was sick. venom getting ass raped. the newscasting scene. the fucking stupid scene with the butler telling harry he loves him. the scene mj and harry dance to the twitch. gwen stacy appearing for 4 mins. the symbiote being able to come off from noise later on, but yet peter stands by a fucking speeding train earlier and the suit doesnt budge. the emo peter. the fucking kiss from spider-man 1 having its own little mini plot. no swing off scene at the end, just another fucking dance scene. dafoe back again for no fucking reason. the list goes fucking on...
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I think this is the perfect chance to call it "The Amazing Spider-Man". While it's not a reboot, it's a fresh new start...redemption to the series.
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Jul 09, 2009 12:39:33 AM CDT
UNCLE BEN HOPED THAT HIS DEATH WOULD MAKE PETER INTO A MAN....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Instead Peter just cried some more and Ben used his dying breath to call him a faggot.
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Sorry Aunt May, think she has to pass on, with MJ am not quiet sure.
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Can show that they have said good bye to the mistake that was emo/dancing Peter.
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Jul 09, 2009 12:47:03 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN'S REAL KILLER IS....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Harry's Butler!!!
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Jul 09, 2009 12:47:05 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN'S REAL KILLER IS....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Harry's Butler!!!
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Jul 09, 2009 12:49:02 AM CDT
HAVE AUNT MAY DIE IN A DONKEY SHOW!!! PETER CRIES SOME MORE!!!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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Jul 09, 2009 12:50:04 AM CDT
PETER CRIES OVER CRYING TO MUCH BECAUSE OF HIS CRYING!!!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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GONORRHEA!
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Jul 09, 2009 12:53:52 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN'S REAL KILLER IS...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
PETER PARKER!!! WHO REALIZES THAT HE IS A CLINICALLY DEPRESSED SCHIZOPHRENIC SERIAL KILLER AND CHILD MOLESTER WHO USES HIS POWERS TO RIP PEOPLES KIDNEY'S OUT OF THEIR ASSHOLES SO HE CAN SELL THEM ON THE BLACK MARKET!!!!!!
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And Parkers "peter" is to blame!
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Jul 09, 2009 12:55:14 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN'S REAL KILLER IS...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
MARY JANE WATSON who was tired of that dirty old man raping her over the trash cans in her back yard!
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Jul 09, 2009 12:57:04 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN'S REAL KILLER IS...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
The same person who shot JFK and JR which means we will NEVER FUCKING FIND OUT!!!
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Continue the story. More Venom. Hobgoblin.
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Jul 09, 2009 1:10:51 AM CDT
IN PART 4 WE FIND OUT THAT UNCLE BEN'S REAL KILLER IS...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Wait, it was all just a dream and when Peter gets up an looks in the mirror, he now looks like Topher Grace, Mary Jane now looks like Laura Prepon, Flash Thompson is now played by Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis is now Gwen Stacey, Danny Masterson is now Harry Osbourne, Wilmer Valderrama is now Eddie Brock, Kurtwood Smith is JJ Jameson, Don Stark is Ben Parker while Debra Jo Rupp now hand out the sage advice as Aunt May while Tommy Chong is now Norman Osbourne. It’s now called “That 70’s Spider-man Show” Directed by Ralph Bakshi who turns the entire thing into a racist, sexist, homophobic, psychedelic freakout with gratuitous amounts of sex and violence that reuses the same shot of Spider-man swinging through the city any time he goes somewhere. My God, that would be beautiful.
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God you're fuckin corny
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Jul 09, 2009 1:24:35 AM CDT
PETER CRIED THE FIRST TIME HE FUCKED MJ BECAUSE...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Her pussy was soo loose from Flash’s Dick of Death that Peter fell in and spent several hours climbing up the walls of her smelly baby wallet to get out.
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the out right hate for spiderman 3 is sort of baffling. I get some of the hate.. lets face it, the movie should have been about the venom or sandman, not both, and killing venom was a huge fuck up. But outside of that, it has the same level of plot holes, melodrama and goofyness the first 2 had. But it has more action and is slightly more playful. To claim that 1 and 2 were "perfect" and 3 was a complete turd is complete bullshit my humble female opinion.
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ANS SING SHOW TUNES!!!
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At least it's not as bad as Transformers and btw I'm going to defend the third one with the Transformers defense Spider-man 3 made a billion dollars world wide. Okay I'm done with that. Some of you need to go read the book about Spider-man 3 that I found. Stop pointing blame at Raimi he hated Venom so he treated them horribly. Look at how Bay treats transformers he doesn't care so they suck same with Raimi and Venom. Spider-man 3 originally had Vulture and Sandman they made the costume and also had a costume made. BUT AVI ARAD and the other producers pushed Venom into the movie and dropped Vulture. So stop blaming Raimi please I'm real tired of hearing that. It's mainly fan boys fault for bitching and crying about Venom all the time is why it happened and turned out the way it did. They had a full script and stuffed Venom and the suit in it. So I'm pumped for the 4th film fuck yeah bring it on! This summer has been horrible only Public Enemies rocked in my opinion with maybe two cool movies coming up. So hell yeah lets see Spidey-4 I look forward to it. I want to see Lizard and Kraven. Or just the Lizard.
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The acting and visuals are top notch. Great movies. These are the only Sam Raimi things I can tolerate.
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It doesn't matter that the suits pushed the Venom story onto Raimi. Change happens in all business and professionals roll with it and adjust. When Raimi knew that he had to use Venom, instead of bitching and trying to shaft the studio he should have actually made an effort to have the story make narrative sense. In 4, please keep the mask on and let spidey have fun distracting thugs and goons with quips. Use the new cartoon as a template for how spidey should be done. If it turns out to be Emo-man 4, I'm out.
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Tobey MacGuire makes a pretty decent Peter Parker and a pretty lousy fucking Spider-Man. The problem with MacGuire being Spider-Man is that every attempt he makes at a wisecrack, which is pretty much the essence of the character, sounds like he's developed some form of mental retardation. Unfortunately, all SPIDER-MAN 3 proved, other than the fact that the franchise had ridden off the rails shortly after the closing credits ended on 2, was that Topher Grace would have made an excellent Peter Parker AND Spider-Man.
As for Dunst, you're telling me she was a "bigger" actress at the time than Eliza Dushku, who Raimi originally wanted for the part?!? Holy crap, a completely watchable and enjoyable SPIDER-MAN movie. Oh, well. It could still always be worse. If you don't believe me, go back and watch the old Nicolas Hammond series sometime. -
In the comics. David Michelini's original plan was that the symbiote found someone who hated Spider-Man just as much as he did - a woman in the hospital. She was pregnant driving in a car with her husband when they just happened to spot Spider-Man fighting with a supervillain. Because he was distracted, the husband ran a light and got broadsided, dying. The woman was in a rushed to the hospital where she lost the baby. Afterwards she just sat in her bed hating in Spider-Man.
The editors of Marvel at the at time didn't think that readers could handle the idea of a woman being an actual threat to Spider-Man so they forced him to be a man. Michelinie chose disgraced reported Eddie Brock for the new host. -
Perfect casting. You know it to be true.
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Based on a Ronald D. Moore draft, has there been so much inconsequential talent thrown at a project. Newsflash, Herc- they could get Zallian and Mann to do a pass at SPIDEY 4, it's all rather meaningless. Don't believe the hype. Or are we still stuck on Darabont's INDY 4 script? Newsflash, Darabont's attempt really sucked.
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I hope this triggers a round of lynchings
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THe problem is where does Spider-Man's personal life go from here. Does he stay with MJ? Do they break up? Does he find a new girl?
And if they do lose MJ, what will happen? Will she just leave and go to LA to start a film career? Or will she be killed in kind of a reverse of the Night that Gwen Stacy Died?
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Not sure SONY would retain the film rights in that case, so they will continually pump out these flicks ad nauseum. But they need a new cast and crew desperately. S3 was so stale it was embarrassing.
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And how about FF4:3 : We told you not to do that to Galactus
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...3 good movies in a row featuring the same property?
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In recent times, look at Shrek 3, POTC 3, not great movies. Look at the Matrix Sequels. Going back Godfather part 3.
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I'm coming out to hollywood and fixin all this shit
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can I borrow some money?
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Aunt May killed Uncle Ben with the dildo in the library.
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With her jagged British teeth, and whorishly pale skin.
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With his hostile penis breath option.
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With her unabashed love for Star Trek's dick.
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we'd have to invent him
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What a well-crafted, enjoyable film. A rare thing in these times. And obviously Big is wonderful and Dave is a delight. If Ross can nail it, then the prospects for a great Spiderman film are starting to look quite healthy.
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Also, Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. That'd be funny.
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Spiderman 2 was incredibly boring(a superhero eating cookies?! if I remember correctly). It lowered my expectations so that Spiderman 3 was kinda entertaining again. So Spiderman 3 for most of the talkbackers = Spiderman 2 for me.
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Jul 09, 2009 4:45:53 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, UNCLE BEN COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED EXCEPT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He didn't have medical insurance because right wing scum like you are still stoopid enough to believe that Free Healthcare will make the USA into a socialist, Volvo driving, latte drinking, communist society. I hope you never have to go to the hospital for anything more serious then lockjaw from all of you're cocksucking otherwise you're going to be financially fucked right in the shitpipe if you room next to all the giant black cocks that you no doubt put in there. Now go let some Mexican babies suckle at you're gigantic bitch tits you 36 year old limp wristed pansy ass cum dumpster.
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You are generally harmless Chuck Baby. What I especially adore is how you can be both simultaneously a Bastard AND a whore. That takes talent my friendless compatriot. Tell me you pedantic irrelevent small little turd, just HOW MUCH do you love Star Trek exactly? Tell once more fat boy about your unyielding love for Bob Orci's Hispanic penis, then kindly go wrap your car around a tree and burn and rot in hell, you flagrantly foul, simpleton little stink of taint.
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with his stink O'death gnarly ballsack mouth chronic halitosis. What's a matter Chuck Baby? Mcshittys doesn't carry medical insurance? Hey fat fuck, I want fries with that.
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Jul 09, 2009 5:09:57 AM CDT
Thanks CTM - Americans and Healthcare is great entertainment
by miyamoto_musashi
As a foreigner watching the discussion of universal medical insurance is hillarious.
Some of the statements i.e. "The government control banks and the car industry, can you trust them in healthcare, what mess will they make". When did America (well parts of it) start seeing a gigantic military as a good thing for the government to run, but not health care.
Think the only defence for not having universal healthcare when you are the biggest economy in the world is that you really don't care about health coverage, if it isn't a priority of people. Its seen as a luxury rather than a necessity. If thats the view than that is an argument at least.
What would the people opposed to Healthcare think about the complete privatisation of Security (Military and Police), the complete privatisation of Education.
Yeah, am not expecting intelligent answers from people who don't think the health of a population isn't one of the highest priorities of a country. -
The question of universal health care in these United States is entirely irrelevent Miyamoto, the bastard medical industry won't permit it to happen they don't want their
"services" subsidized or regulated and the population outcry isn't loud enough to enact any sort of momentum to override corporate monopolys. Not enough people have died yet evidently.
Give it another 4 years or so then maybe we will begin seeing a paradigm shift towards universal health care. Unless of course Charles The Canadian mongoloid sneaks under the radar and votes the cunt Palin in. -
we can't keep the Megan Fox on the shelves
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Yikes. I'm already in line to see something different that day.
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Jul 09, 2009 5:46:59 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, YOU'RE TOO FUCKING DUMB TO REMEMBER THAT...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Firstly, I was ripping Boborci a fresh new asshole on the Transformers talkback for his involvement in not only Transformers but also the new Star Trek which I described as Good Will Hunting+Top Gun+Wrath of Khan+Voyage Home while telling him that he was a talentless fuckwad. So you’re non sequitur about Star Trek was atypically stoopid for a right wing sphincter face like you. Secondly, I’m posting from Canada where we not only have better beer, better donuts but also socialized medicine which means that when I get an STD from porking your ugly dog faced mongoloid of a Mother (about the only whore I can afford on burger flipper wages) I can just go to the doctor and get a shot of penicillin for my cock but unfortunately for you there is no cure for retardation so go drown in a lake so we can watch you hack up camp counselors in a 12 film series douchfag.
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He uses voting for Palin as an insult which means that he no doubt voted for that inbred, hillbilly, white trash moron because he always wanted to vote for someone he could look up to. But like every other right wing cretin he’s now running away from his decision to vote for her. He probably beats off to that photoshopped picture of her in the bikini holding the rifle fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap….just don’t fap too much because you can’t afford a severe case of masturbators wrist since you’re medical coverage won’t pay for it.
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Jul 09, 2009 6:12:41 AM CDT
Solid credentials. Just hope it's not excessive like 3 was.
by mr nicholas
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and throw in a Thor cameo.
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getting a hulk movie..at least not after that awful 2nd reboot. PLease for the love of god do not cast live tlyer as betty ross. Bruce sob sob sob bruce sob sob sob bruce sob sob sob sob bruce. i was dying for bruce to hulk out just so he could crush betty ross. There by setting up Thunderbolt ross to take the hulk down. instead thuderbolt ross folded. bollocks.
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Jul 09, 2009 7:34:43 AM CDT
If they were smart - they would KILL HIM in this one
by professor_monster
and somehow bring him back in 5 -
oh wait - this is Marvel, so smart is out the window. -
I recall reading that in order to save production costs they were planning to film 4 & 5 back-to-back
By doing so, live production would only eat up 4 or 5 months in today's dollars and we, the fans, would be able to see part 5 (once post production wrapped) much sooner, say, 2012
But now we may not see part 5 until 2015--Barring future writer/actor/director strikes and whatnot.....sigh -
annoying...aicn isn't your church you preachy grandstanding faggot. shut the fuck up. no one cares about your stupid fucking wet dreams
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SunkUBoat is correct
Let's just get back to some fun fun fun
Spider-Man (with all the effects that are possible) is MADE for a cool Saturday afternoon popcorn film experience.
The comicbook remains enjoyable because it's just a zillion variations on the same old fun stuff we all love
Wild bad guy bent on revenge or had a bad childhood and Spidey manages to beat him with both cool action and clever quips and MJ is around as a great looking babe
That's all we need.
Thats all we want.
LOVED the train sequence from part 2 as well as the few scenes where the camera "followed" Spidey and Doc Oc down towards the street and they were all tangled up, butting heads, trading blows, and there was no dialogue or music, just great scenes straight off the comics pages
Please leave the goofy, idiodic
Saturday Night Fever Dancing scenes for Adam Sandler. That's more his style. -
Don Cheadle.
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DAVE and SEABISCUIT are both great films. I just hope someone reins in Raimi this time. On a sidenote, I didn't realize they weren't even past the scripting stage for this project. What's the targeted release date, 2013?
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TDK is one of my favorite movies of all time. I'm cool with a superhero with no powers done well. However, Kraven ain't no Batman. Batman has his mythology, his gadgets, his supporting cast. Kraven? Skilled big game hunter bad ass. Period. Pretty thin. At this point I'm so sick to death of Raimi/Tobey/Dunst and the garbage trilogy they made, I just can't bring myself to suffer more abuse of my favorite childhood comicbook superhero just like I can proudly say I skipped Transformers 2. Back when the first two Spiderman movies came out, the new wave of superhero movies were relatively new and we didn't have much to compare it to so we the bar wasn't set so high but after X-Men 2, TDK, and hell, even THE INCREDIBLES, we geeks can tell the difference between shit and shinola from a mile away. Venom was a great, innovative, visually arresting character from the comics yet none of us gave the shitty version Raimi gave us in SM3 just b/c we were so thrilled to see the character on the big screen like we would have maybe ten years ago. I have no desire to see vapid 40 yr old Maguire, charmless Dunst (who never really emodied the "Face it Tiger, you just hit the jackpot" characer of MJ), fat ass, blonde wigged Bryce Howard as Gwen Stacy and the exhausted vision Raimi assfuck the franchise one more time just so they can cash in like the santa monica blvd. street hustlers they are. They never ever get Spidey's strength right either. He's supposed to be able to lift/press ten tons (you know, like a human spider) yet have we ever seen him do anything with that kind of strength? Whatever happened to the Doctor Strange movie that was supposed in the works? Dormammu, bitches!
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Bring on Shocker!
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Or a do-over for Sandman. Unfortunately, not much chance of him doing battle with the Hulk. That'd be cool.I'll take the Lizard, as well. 3rd movie could have been good, but sucked because of the introduction of Venom. If they had left that out and had it just be Harry and Sandman, could have been good. Sadly.Best Superhero movie ever is the Incredibles. Spiderman 2, Batman Begins, Iron Man . . . those all follow.And Raimi isn't entirely to blame for Spiderman 3. The suits--and, frankly, the fans, demanding Venom! Venom! Venom!--all had their hand in it.
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Make it a new, fabulous "Spiderman!""Spiderman goes Mano-Mano with . . . Seanbiscuit!"
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im sean biscuit
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You and all your biscuit-y evil!
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Didn't Kraven actually have super powers? As a kid, I remember watching a Saturday morning episode of Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. One episode featured Kraven the Hunter, where he drank a magic 'jungle' potion that gave him animal abilities.
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the spidey films should be building up to introduce the sinister six, just like the vastly entertaining new cartoon.
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Contriving to make the villain complicit in the origin story is weak. To me that was the worst part about Spidey 3, even with the evil dancing and whatnot. It kind of pisses me off just thinking about it.
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Contriving to make the villain complicit in the origin story is weak. To me that was the worst part about Spidey 3, even with the evil dancing and whatnot. It kind of pisses me off just thinking about it.
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In regards the The Incredible Hulk.....no, we won't be getting another Hulk, but it has nothing to do with TIH, which was awesome, and dare I say, I liked it better than Iron Man that summer. It is the Hulk movie we should have gotten the first time.
However, we will not be getting another Hulk movie because of the shitfest that was Ang Lee's Hulk. Alot of my family and friend's would not go see the new Hulk movie because they thought it was a sequel of the first one, which was god fucking awful. If it wasn't for that movie, TIH would have made quite a bit more, and would already have a sequel greenlit. -
he is such an awkward villian. An old ass man that can fly on fake wings? seriously...SERIOUSLY?? One punch from spiderman and his old ass would shatter, so how is he a cool or suitable villian in any way? someone please explain.
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I blame Sam Raimi
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I like the idea of a reboot where SM3 never really happened and we'll pick right back up at the end of SM2.
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are seanbiscuit who fires piping hot biscuits from his ass and swiss miss who is covered in blades and has little hard marshmallows for nipples...can I get some confirmation on this?
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recycled footage from Sony's failed "Rocket Robin Hood" film.
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Well we are both entitled to our opinions, but I have run into alot of people that thought TIH was a good movie.
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it was missing Spidey's taunting, casual sense of humor that I used to love when I read the comics. His sarcasm was a great contrast against the pompous villain-speeches.
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I don't think she's ever looked hotter than she did in Spidey 3.
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"living female breasts" but I've held plenty of cold dead ones! That counts for something, right? RIGHT?!
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...one or two (no more than that) of the below:
Hobgoblin - Identity should be a secret until the end of the film, a la "Ra's al Ghul" in Batman Begins. His suit should be much less Power Rangery version of the Green Goblin suit with several improvements, and NOTHING like the suit for "The New Goblin" in SM3...ugh.
Kraven - Lose the lion's face costume and make him a famous but mocked reality show hunter who's come to NY to hunt the Lizard to prove he's the real deal.
Lizard - I think a trilogy's worth of Dr. Conners foreplay is enough, slap an arm on him and make the sumbitch scaly already! Have Spidey know who he is and fight Kraven to protect him while the feral Lizard himself is trying to kill Spidey.
Mysterio - I know Bruce Campbell is the fan favorite here, but I think Paul Giamatti would seriously rock it.
Electro - Ex-con turned electrician turned human generator. The visual effects would have amazing potential too. He's a classic character who needs a big-screen shot at Spidey.
Scorpion - I like the big-screen JJJ too much to want him to fall in the footsteps of his comic counterpart and be responsible for bankrolling the creation of the Scorpion, so I'd like to see an alternate origin...maybe something tied to Oscorp.
Black Cat - It'd just be sweet to see, say Scarlett Johhannsen, in a nice low-cut spandex costume on an IMAX screen, am I right? ;)
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Make most of the movie about Kraven and Lizard...and kill off Mary Jane. At the end, bring in Black Cat and Carnage for prt. 5.
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Other villains could be shown in something of an overview of Spiderman finally getting back to his friendly neighborhood version and having a good life...picking off smaller-time villains like Vulture, Mysterio, Electro, etc. He gets overconfident...enter Kraven, who is his equal in strength and acrobatics, but with the added ability of strategy to overcome "big game".
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ScarJo is Black Widow in Iron Man 2 so you will see her in tight black leather next summer! Probably on IMAX too.
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Co-starring Josh Swaney.
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Re-watch the scene where she's 'modeling' before the crane hits the building. She's huge! Certainly not 'model-size' unless shes a 'plus model.' Was she pregnant?
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and the only logical choice! Also kill off Kirsten Dunst within the first 2 minutes.
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Jul 09, 2009 10:53:19 AM CDT
Paul Giamatti as MYSTERIO is a really stoopid idea
by zombieheathledger
Have you ever seen Mysterio? Giamatti is a great actor (though I saw a few too many ultra extreme close up of his face in that Tom Hanks' produced John Adams HBO series) But unless Giamatti lost at least 50 pounds he could never even fit into the suit.
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She announced her first pregnancy in August 2006 I think, so she may have been showing some signs while she shot Spider-Man 3. Good assessment.
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Now that made me laugh! Love the Revolt in the Fifth Dimension/Dementia Five and Phantom from the Depths of Time/From Menace to Menace recycled animation used for both Spider-man and Rocket Robinhood... it is so retarded you can't help but applaud.
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It seriously gets me everytime. One of those rare occassions where a movie comes out of nowhere and just whallops me.
And whoever suggested Ian McShane as Kraven is a casting genius. -
Once I get the gold bullion.
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But for no apparent reason? And Common thought he was going to the club during the raid scene at the end, because he was wearing his aviators at night.
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Is spiceybiscuit your sister?
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How long are they going to keep teasing us and not delivering?
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Since when has Carnage ever been a good villain? Nobody ever suggest him again. In fact, no villains from after 1980 until they use up all the good ones.
Besides, not only was Venom forced into Spider-Man 3, he was forced in while they were in the middle of production! They had to do major rewrites while they were shooting. Avi Arad is lucky the movie even made sense enough to be horrible.
Topher Grace was initially cast as another villain, too. In the commentary, he was kind of hinting at The Shocker. That would have been a much better movie. -
Jul 09, 2009 12:21:52 PM CDT
I've Seen Better Story Lines in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
by aquatarkusman
Getting some sappy fifty-something who writes about fake Presidents and horses is not going to placate the fan-base.
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I believe the 'fat ass' that you were seeing was all the rigging for her stunt. Ms. Howard is pretty petite. Anyway, I still don't see why SM3 was such a shit sandwich - there was some silver age wackiness with the singing, but the whole Uncle Ben thing was just to drive the themes of revenge and forgiveness. Sure there was still not enough of Peter having fun as Spidey before he went dark (and not dark enough), but that's no different than the last films. I think 3 actually had a far better plot than 2, with much more resonant themes. The only thing I wish they had changed was the whole random meteor falling thing. I wish they had developed Venom similar to the Ultimate Spider Man series, as a cure for cancer that Peter's and Eddie's fathers had worked on - that way it would have mattered to the story, not just some random occurrence.
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I agree with the poster above--Ian McShane is note-perfect as Kraven. And I agree with another guy above--I went and saw Drag Me to Hell based on the ecstatic reviews by sites like this and Chud and the cumulative Rotten Tomatoes reviews, and was promptly bored to tears. That movie sucked ass, and it's getting the word of mouth and box office it deserves.
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Actual conversation between Seagal and Rob Schneider.... SEAGAL: Rob, I just read the greatest script ever written. SCHNEIDER: Really? Wow, who wrote it? SEAGAL: I did...
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Please bring him back as kingpin..He was perfect in daredevil...then do a reboot with daredevil..and have the crossover..Kraven (as mentioned above) would rock too.....but KINGPIN DEFINATLY!!! and no ben AFF-LACK...
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Hmmm, rigging? Maybe. But they usually don't add the rigging until they absolutely have to because they are shooting the particular scene it is needed. The scene I was referring to was the one where she is having pix taken of her during the modeling session BEFORE the crane hit. She looks pretty plumpers to me, not Gwen Stacy-ish at all. But like I said, she may have been pregnant, which makes it yet another thing to blame Raimi for not re-casting. And hey, if you liked SM3 good for you, as I said, for me it was so bad I can't even enjoy the previous two anymore.
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KRAVEN. Bruce is a big, tough looking middle-aged smart-ass who can carry both drama and comedy. Have him as the Hunter sent to bring in the Lizard and kick the ass of any bug-guy who tries to get in the way. And no more than 2 villains unless they go balls to the wall with the Sinister Six. No more Venom or Carnage. Lousy excuses for characters, both of them. The original symbiote storyline was interesting; turning that into a hulking psycho with giant fangs and a four-foot slimey tongue along with his gooey clone was just crap. And while we're at it; yeah why not recast Laura Prepon as MJ? She's actually hot enough to be a model (which she once was), she can act circles around Dunst, and it might force her to go back to being a redhead.
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The stories have been going on to long and they have been changed so much over the years there is no way to please anyone anymore. No matter what they do with this series you won't like it. Most people liked TDK. Not because it was a great Batman movie but because they thought it was a great movie period. Maybe this time they will make a great movie that happens to have Spider-man in it. It's possible but even if they do since most posters hate the people involved it won't satisfy you. The fact is that it is being made. It will be what it is. Complaining about it might get you an audience but it won't change anything. You either accept what is there or you don't. I find some of you mildly entertaining but most of these posts are a waste of space, perhaps mine as well.
I found enough entertainment in all the Spider-man and other comic book movies to have more than less. -
Jul 09, 2009 1:29:13 PM CDT
Ehhhh, I love Bruce, but have you guys SEEN him lately?
by zombieheathledger
He's a bit long in the tooth and wide in the waist to be playing either Kraven or Mysterio these days. The OWL, maybe?
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Oops, wrong movie
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No Rainn Wilson for anything.
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It's a fair comparison b/c Harry made it so. My issue with him is he operates on two sets of rules. As a talkbacker who agreed with me said, Harry liked the film so it the vulgar stuff doesn't matter. Besides, he already endorsed this film months ago.
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Wrong TB haha...
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If only for the fact that they showed the side effects and DAMAGE of his transformation. I fucking loved seeing him coughing up blood because "hulking out" was just wrecking his body so much. Or the scene where he's in the shower, and the pressure from the showerhead makes him think of gun turrets and he just freaks out and collapses. Not often enough do we see moments like these in these movies, and I think they're completely necessary.
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Spiderman did in fact save MJ from that falling building (which I'm guessing weighed several tons) at the end of SM2. Anyway, I agree with your post. Also Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are the best comic book films ever made. Cheers.
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Sorry, what has this guy done really? He made a few shitty movies. Got lucky to appear in some other ones. And wrote a shitty pamphlet about his life. And you fuckers lap it up.
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Not even the comic book writers liked him. He was flippantly ripped in half by Sentry like he was nothing. Now Scorpion turning into Venom......working out pretty well so far.
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Bryce was pregnant when filming Spider-Man 3. But she's always had a pretty generous size butt. It's a beautiful thing, really; I don't know why anyone would gripe about it.
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For Pussy!!!
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I like big butts and I cannot lie. However, it ain't a model's ass and BDH aint no Gwen Stacy type. Stacy should've been played by somebody like Rachel McAdams and MJ should've been anybody but Kirsten Dunst, hell, Lindsey Lohan even would've made a better MJ.
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The world would be a better place if more models looked like BDH. The problem is that they gave wrote MJ like she was Gwen in the first movie, so when it came to adding Gwen, it became a weird combo of comic MJ and the exact same character Kirsten is playing. Made for a soggy love triangle.
It might have worked out better with the roles switched. I like Kirsten Dunst, but she always was a redheaded Gwen Stacy. The wouldn't have had to wear wigs, either. -
Do whatever you can, make Uncle Ben the first spiderman, whatever. Just please, make it a prequel. I won't watch any movies that aren't a prequel to something.
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Jul 09, 2009 10:26:23 PM CDT
I'm saying it now...even though I'm sure it will never happen
by darthsaul666
I want to see the Scorpion in a Spidey movie. That would be ubercool. You could work JJJ as an actual Spidey villan. Than Spidey would need to save JJJ from Mac Gargon. That would reflect the theme of Great power comes great responsibility without more cameos of uncle ben and his killer. Shit Marlon Brando didn't have to show up so often in the Superman films as a dead patriarch.
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It was basically 2 script slammed together and were forced to have sex and came out an ugly baby called Spider-man 3
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That's rather close to My opinion. or rather SM3 could have been just as cool the 1st 2 flicks with only 1 villian and that "Joker killed his parents mistake".... That must have been a non Marvel thing. Spidey 2 had about 10 minutes of literal translation of is #50. That gave me the chills.
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When the movie begins he should already be in the middle of a battle with a super villain. For example, Mysterio, (Would love to see Bruce Campbell with the fish bowl helmet.) Paste pot pete aka The Trap-ster (Jim Carrey perhaps?) or the Rhino (Would be cool as shit to see that goliath in action.) Keep in mind this is like 15 minute max but could still be great opportunities for some memorable cameos.
After that scuffle A news report captures footage of the fight. It is being watched by a mysterious figure who is clearly in a lavish hotel preparing weapons for battle. Thus giving us our first glimpse of Kraven (Get the guy who played the Comedian.)
Meanwhile Parker is still in Grad school and he's working for Dr. Connors as a lab assistant and a terrible accident occurs. Conners loses his arm, therefore pushing him to accelerate his experiments with reptilian cell reproduction.
Pull a Superman 3 with Mary Jane and send her ass to South America or something (Just don't have her dominating the fucking movie like she did in 3.)
Parkers love for Mary Jane could be tested at this point because as he throws on the Spidey pajamas to get his mind off of her, he runs into a Sexy ass chick with white hair and donned in black breaking into a jewelers. (There's always room for bad girls)
After three movies the Asylum is open at this point. Baddies are drawn to Spidey like flies to well you get the point.
Fuck the morality tale, Fuck the crying and the dancing. GIVE ME A KICK ASS
Spidey movie that pushes the web head to his limits. -
Go "dark" and paint the town red.
PERIOD.
FUCK EVERYONE. i want CARNAGE!! -
...The Spiderman movies are ALL sub par. The first, average with some very, very ropey effects, the second an overblown, long winded movie with NO PLOT AT ALL, don't get me started on 3- avoided in the cinema, and event with a few beers watching on DVD i started to get bored. Man alive.
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God bless you, sir! :)
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