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AICN COMICS REVIEWS CAPTAIN AMERICA! JUSTICE LEAGUE! STAR WARS! DOCTOR WHO! & MUCH MORE!!!

Published at: July 8, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST by ambush bug

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The Pull List (Click title to go directly to the review) CAPTAIN AMERICA: REBORN #1 JUSTICE LEAGUE: CRY FOR JUSTICE #1 IMPALER #1-3 LORDS OF AVALON: SWORD OF DARKNESS #6 ANNA MERCURY VOL.1 HC STAR WARS: INVASION #1 BOOM! KIDS BATMAN AND ROBIN #2 WE KILL MONSTERS #1 EXISTENCE 2.0 #1 MARVEL DIVAS #1 GREEK STREET #1 ESCAPE FROM WONDERLAND #0 DOCTOR WHO CLASSICS VOL.3 GREEN LANTERN CORPS #38 Big Eyes For the Cape Guy presents GANTZ Vol.5 Indie Jones presents… CHEAP SHOTS!

CAPTAIN AMERICA: REBORN #1

Writer: Ed Brubaker Art: Bryan Hitch & Butch Guice Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewer: Stones Throw

“… Steve Rogers has come unstuck in time.” “Poo-tee-weet?”
January 2005. Ed Brubaker’s CAP series began and over the course of fifty-one issues it managed to press through worthless crossovers like HOUSE OF M and CIVIL WAR with its own better-planned and far superior story. The resurrection of Bucky as Winter Soldier, his turning away from that identity and back towards Steve Rogers, the death of Captain America, and Bucky becoming a new Cap were all a natural progression in Bru’s over-arching story that to their great benefit took place in the title character’s book. CAPTAIN AMERICA was the voice in the wilderness proving that big things still happened in monthly comics, putting character over “event” for the past five years.
It was now July 2009. We were getting the most important arc since the “Death of Captain America” in a separate miniseries drawn by THE ULTIMATES’ Bryan Hitch.
At some point in the mid-Nineties, Mark Waid wrote the opening of KINGDOM COME that would get ripped off for the opening of the series that regular Cap artist Steve Epting has been jettisoned off onto (previewed within).
It was 1944 in the Marvel Universe. Captain America leapt over a landing craft, yelling “Let’s go kick these Nazis all the way back to Germany!” In 2001 Mark Millar wrote the sequence that probably inspired this. At Normandy in 1944 there wasn’t any Captain America. Sixty-five years later the anniversary of the D-Day landings reminded the public of this, making the opening of CAP: REBORN and its narration (“Always the first into battle … always leading the way …”) feel pretty cheap and tasteless. Missions behind enemy lines, I can take, but the image of those men in the landing craft is just too ingrained.
In a slow news week in 2007, CAPTAIN AMERICA (vol. 5) #25 was able to grab headlines and morning news-space, prompting a rush on comic shops not seen since the Death of Superman.
Back in 2009, despite a million one BIG-@$$ EVENT minis, the House of Ideas was lacking a central “event series” to peg its summer on.
In the 1940s Captain America adventures were largely set on the home front. In the Sixties Stan and Jack, both of whom had lived through the war, avoided such problems by using characters like Zemo and Strucker.
In May 2008, the Robert Downey, Jr. IRON MAN movie was released and became a hit. In the comics, Tony Stark was quickly shifted from his job directing S.H.I.E.L.D.
Bryan Hitch sat at his drawing table. Flipping through the pages of Ed Brubaker’s script for CAPTAIN AMERICA: REBORN #1, he decided to do away with the wings on the side of Cap’s head and give the guy a helmet instead, just like in THE ULTIMATES. This contradicted previous flashbacks in Brubaker’s CAP series and made Steve look like a pussy, since he also drew a sixteen year old Bucky standing next to him wearing nothing on his head but a domino mask. Still, Hitch’s art was excellent in an action-packed storyboard fashion, even though he chose to put Cap in a pose no one but an action figure would strike, and drew an occasional really odd face. Seriously, that wasn’t a pillar of the Marvel U getting shot in the second panel, it was a nervous looking Archie Andrews!
In summer 2009, another meaningless crossover raged through the Marvel U, this time involving Norman Osborn, the new director of H.A.M.M.E.R. My CAP comic book had to include two of the most foul characters in the Marvel Universe (Green Goblin and Venom), who between them had more deaths, clones, resurrections, Goblin babies, ret-cons and offspring symbiotes than I’d have ever wanted to count, reminding me that comic book death and rebirth is seldom well handled. Oh, and an ugly god of war.
On Wednesday, July 8th a Talkbacker furiously typed, “Stop fucking around and review the damn comic book!”
Six months from now, I’ll likely look back on CAP: REBORN as another quality installment in Brubaker’s CAPTAIN AMERICA saga, by far Marvel’s best continuing series for the last few years, even though the first issue was more about “the event” (discovering that Steve Rogers is unstuck in time) than “the character”. Even so, I’ll ask myself why it couldn’t have been part of the regular title and regret the involvement of the latest iteration of the Avengers. And wonder why the hell Bryan Hitch chose to draw Hank Pym’s stanky man-feet on show.
So it goes.
So it goes.

JUSTICE LEAGUE: CRY FOR JUSTICE #1

Writer: James Robinson Art: Mauro Cascioli Publisher: DC Comics Reviewer: BottleImp

Wary. Conflicted. On-the-fence. Those were my feelings when I first heard about this Robinson-scripted series some months back. See, I was a big fan of James Robinson’s work. STARMAN, THE GOLDEN AGE, WITCHCRAFT, LEAVE IT TO CHANCE—all great comics, all showcasing wonderful combinations of characterization, dialogue, plot and mood. But his recent writing on SUPERMAN…well, let’s just say that it’s no STARMAN. So I was (justifiably, I think) apprehensive of this new JUSTICE LEAGUE miniseries. Was it to be the return to quality comic book making that I had hoped for?
While it’s still waaay too early to give a concrete answer, I’m happy to say that CRY FOR JUSTICE seems to fall more in the realm of the above-mentioned earlier work than in the current SUPERMAN doldrums. The crux of the series is fairly simplistic—superheroes deciding to actually mete out justice against the villains who have murdered and escaped judgment time and again—so a lot of the weight of the storytelling is going to fall on the characters and their interactions. And so far, so good. The iconic characters of Green Lantern and Green Arrow come across as individuals with their own personalities and manners of speaking; there’s none of the cookie-cutter dialogue that turned me off SUPERMAN. And better still, Robinson has fleshed out the ranks of his team with some of the more obscure heroes of the DC Universe, thereby playing to one of his greatest strengths: the ability to take a character who is virtually a blank slate (such as the blue-skinned Starman or Congorilla) and make the reader care about what happens to him. Anyone who’s read STARMAN or THE GOLDEN AGE knows what I’m talking about—they’re the comics that elevated third-stringers like Will Payton and Simon and Kirby’s Manhunter to equal the likes of Batman or Superman. I’m looking forward to seeing more of Mikaal Tomas (who was used to great effect in the pages of STARMAN) and seeing what Robinson has in store for the former Congo Bill.
On the visual side of things, Mauro Cascioli provides exceptional artwork. Though his style (painted? Or penciled with digital paint? I can’t really tell) will draw the obvious comparison to Alex Ross, Cascioli’s work is slightly more stylized and less reliant on photo reference. In other words, it’s more comic book-ey. Since this issue has been mostly people standing around and talking, it still remains to be seen how well this style will work for more action-oriented scenes, but all in all this issue has it going on when it comes to good visuals and an exquisite color palette.
Yep, I enjoyed this comic. There’s just one little problem…
Last week in our “Shoot the Messenger” column @$$hole extraordinaire Optimous Douche told of his conversation with DC honcho Dan DiDio regarding the price hike of DC comics from $2.99 to $3.99. DiDio asserted that the comic buyer would be compensated for this by getting more content in every issue—as is the case with DC’s current “Second Feature” titles. However, CRY FOR JUSTICE has no “Second Feature.” It has 22 pages of actual story, just like all the $2.99 DC titles. And EIGHT FUCKING PAGES OF UNESSENTIAL BEHIND-THE-SCENES BULLSHIT. Eight pages of what, under normal circumstances, would be described as “filler.” Eight pages of 18-pt text and reprinted art (some of which came from this very issue) that could have easily been condensed. There is no need to include images of old Congo Bill comics or Cascioli’s pencils—save it for the inevitable trade paperback! And the two-page “Origin of Congorilla” comic sequence is ludicrously unnecessary.
Bottom line: stop screwing your readers, DC. If you’re going to promise more comic for more money, you can’t just blow up what should have been no more than two pages, max, spread it over eight pages and call it more content. Shame on you, DC.
But aside from the dirty business end of things, I’m looking forward to the rest of this series… although maybe I should just wait for the trade so I don’t raise my blood pressure with every “content-filled” issue.
When released from his Bottle, the Imp takes the form of Stephen Andrade, an artist/illustrator/pirate monkey painter from the Northeast. You can see some of his artwork here. He’s given up comics more times than he can remember. But every time he thinks he's out, they pull him back in.

IMPALER #1-3

Written by: William Harms Art by: Matt Timson Published by: Image Comics/Top Cow Reviewed by Ryan McLelland

There's going to be some spoilers here so for those who haven't read the first volume of IMPALER then you are S.O.L. in SO many different ways. IMPALER is perhaps the best vampire comic ever to hit comics and Volume 1 saw the streets of New York invaded by vampires during a horrible blizzard. Series hero Vlad Tepes, the man known for starting the vampire legend, had teamed up with the local cops to subdue the menace. Then the military freaked out and decided it was best just to nuke New York City.
The next part of the IMPALER series kicks right back off with a story that sucked me right back in thanks to the amazing writing skills of William Harms and the unbelievable artwork of new series artist Matt Timson. Panels literally jump off the page at you causing the book to almost flow together as a film (a sensation I haven't had while reading a comic in a long time...the last maybe being Mike Kunkel's HEROBEAR AND THE KID). These are some nasty vampires looking to decimate anything with a pulse and the feeling of terror never stops coming, just like most great horror novels or films do.
So it's post-nuking but everything is still going to hell. Vampires are still running rampant and the military is now focusing around New Jersey and Philadelphia in efforts to stop the vamps. The book follows the military and Vlad, who has survived the nuclear blast and is still looking to kill a whole lot of bloodsuckers - joined by Victor, a NYC detective who joins Vlad in the chase.
For a book about vampires these issues don't have alot of them in it. Say what? I'll put it this way - the vampires in IMPALER are entirely vicious and out-to-kill. When they spring into a panel there is nothing but mayhem, blood, and death. It's a character driven book where you really fear the vampires and fear what may happen to the characters 'hunting' them.
Vampires are hot right now - but nothing is hotter than IMPALER. Hands down one of the best books on the market today and too bad that seems to be a big secret. Get your grubby little mitts on the collection then head over to here to the first three issues. IMPALER adds so much to the vampire mythos that you may not look at them the same after reading this. I know it has changed how I want to see my vampires portrayed.
Ryan McLelland has worked in movies and comics journalism for the past several years before joining the @$$holes here at AICN. Ryan’s comic work has already graced comic shelves with Arcana’s PHILLY, WISE INTELLIGENCE, UPTOWN GIRL, and THE SENTINELS ANTHOLOGY. He rarely updates his blog but when he does it can be read at www.eyewannabe.com. The first issue of his new WISE INTELLIGENCE miniseries can be found here.

LORDS OF AVALON: SWORD OF DARKNESS #6

Writer: Sherrilyn Kenyon Art: Tommy Ohtsuka Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewer: Mr. Pasty

As an author, Sherrilyn Kenyon has experienced a truly remarkable career in publishing filled with incredible highs (#1 New York Time Bestseller) and incredible lows (living out of her car in Columbus). Where does LORDS OF AVALON fall in this wide spectrum of success and failure? Probably somewhere in the middle.
I accept that as a man, I view the world a certain way. I like to think that I’m slightly more evolved than your typical ass-grabbing fratboy, but I still see things through testosterone-colored glasses. In fact, last week’s review of the Brian Reed-penned RED SONJA has only further established for me the marked difference in how men and women tell a story driven by female protagonists/antagonists.
Having said that, this swords and sorcery book reeks of estrogen. One of the central themes is Merewyn’s fear of losing her man because she starts to age prematurely while he remains young and nubile. Apparently a woman of higher rank has placed a spell on Merewyn that wrinkles her faster than Walter Donovan when he drank from the false grail. She spends at least a page or so whining about her looks and how Varian, the man in question, will no longer love her or bang her because she looks like a prune and has kitty litter between her legs. Naturally he does what any man would do and rebukes her fear of rejection by taking her into the woods and making love to her wrinkly ass anyway. Then poof! She reverts back to her young self under the power of medieval sex.
Folks, welcome to the twisted logic of LORDS OF AVALON.
The book does have a certain amount of charm and I can’t discount the elegant simplicity of Tommy Ohtsuka’s artwork. But there are so many distractions in this story that continually prohibited any suspension of my increasing disbelief. For example, three triplets are on the run from the evil queen. Their names are Merrick, Derrick and Erik. That’s way too close to Huey, Dewey and Louie, allowing my peanut brain to wander off to MAGICAL QUEST where the Quack Pack must fight King Pete – and it was very hard to come back. I also felt like the book was very noncommittal on the character design, almost like it was easier to just Frankenstein a bunch of different but established looks together and call it a day. Lord of the World of Warcraft I think is an apropos description.
In the end, LORDS OF AVALON is one big magical mess. Imagine EXCALIBUR if it were directed by Meredith Baxter-Birney instead of John Boorman. I grabbed this book hoping for a unique and compelling re-imagining of the Camelot universe. What I got was an episode of FRIENDS with pointy ears.
My Rating: 2 BFF’s out of 5.
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ANNA MERCURY VOL.1 HC

Written by: Warren Ellis Art by: Facundo Percio Published by: Avatar Press Review by: Baytor

Bod bless Warren Ellis for helping put Avatar Press on the map. A lot of creators sit around online bitching about the state of the industry, so it was refreshing to see a creator spend so much time and effort to build a home for the work they want to do. He took his growing stature at the major companies and went out and forged a relationship with a company that seemed beneath his pay grade, which seemed odd at the time, because what he was doing there would have seemed right at home at Vertigo or Wildstorm. A few years later, the shenanigans surrounding THE BOYS and LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN proved that a DC imprint wasn’t the artistic safe-haven that many imagined it to be.
Which doesn’t have terribly much to do with ANNA MERCURY, apart from explaining why this book is a full-color hard cover collection featuring some kick-ass art by Facundo Percio. It exists because Warren Ellis helped changed the rules of the game, because he took a chance on doing some B&W comics with not-ready-for-prime-time artwork all those years ago.
First things first, this is a Warren Ellis mini-series so standard Warren Ellis rules apply. There will be a tough-as-nails female lead who will shoot you through the face as soon as kick you in the balls; she will not be obsessing over what happened on GOSSIP GIRL last night; and, most importantly, she will make stuff ‘splode. She also tends to look like a drag queen, but that’s kind of intentional.
The basic set-up involves nine worlds in invisible orbit around Earth. Don’t worry if that sentence doesn’t make much sense to you, because the book points out that it didn’t make much sense to anyone in their world until the 1970s, despite these worlds being discovered in 1943 by the U.S.S. Eldridge during the infamous Philadelphia Experiment. That incursion was viewed as a religious event on one of the worlds and our leaders have been sending agents there trying to minimize the damage of that accidental encounter ever since.
Enter Anna Mercury, who is one of the best agents, because she’s more than a little mad. She’s got one hour to prevent genocide on that world and she’s armed with two pistols and a device that allows her to bend reality around her…the only drawback being that she’ll ‘splode if she runs out of power. As is the case with most Warren Ellis books, underneath the bad attitudes are good people who sincerely care about saving lives and making the world a better place. But, mostly, it’s about stuff ‘sploding.
Ellis has carved out quite a niche for himself doing high-concept, high-action, bad-mannered, intelligent stories featuring distinctive visual hooks and ANNA MERCURY is no exception. It’s fun, it’s cool, and he's got a wide-open premise for exploration and action. It even features some hints of what's to come, so I eager await a second volume of this series.

STAR WARS: INVASION #1

Writer: Tom Taylor Art: Colin Wilson Publisher: Dark Horse Comics Reviewer: Matt Adler

This comic has an interesting provenance. In the late ‘90s, Dark Horse, longtime publisher of Star Wars comics, planned to do a storyline in their books that had the far, far away galaxy of STAR WARS face its first invasion from outside the galaxy. But licensed comics are often subject to the vagaries of corporate infighting, and around this time, a new publisher, Del Rey, was given the rights to publish Star Wars novels.
Lucasfilm has always been very strict about insisting on a single, unified STAR WARS universe, which means that all STAR WARS spinoffs, whether they take place in television, books, comics, or videogames, must agree with each other (and even more importantly, must agree with the movies, which are considered the “true canon”). Unfortunately, this becomes even more complicated when different companies have to coordinate their respective licensed products with each other.
Such was the case when Dark Horse was compelled to sit down with Del Rey and discuss their proposed storyline, to ensure it did not conflict with Del Rey’s plans. To the surprise and dismay of the editors at Dark Horse, Lucasfilm decided to take the storyline they’d developed away from them, and give it to Del Rey to publish in novel form instead. Even though Dark Horse had already begun planting the seeds of the event in their comics, they quickly soured on the notion of participating in the event any further, given their loss of control, and the fact that Del Rey planned to take the story in a completely different direction. So, all plans for the Invasion in comics were shelved.
Fast forward about 10 years to 2009, and Del Rey’s invasion storyline had already been completed 6 years prior, in a 19-part novel series called “The New Jedi Order”. The series, though controversial in some quarters, proved a sales success, and fans still showed an interest in it even after its completion. By this time, old wounds had apparently healed enough that Dark Horse decided the time was right for the Invasion to come to comics. Hence the book that is the subject of this review. So how does it stack up with the novels?
Well, for starters, it’s not an adaptation. Dark Horse has instead chosen to tell tales “around” the time of the invasion, from the point of view of (at least some) characters we have not seen before. This is not an unreasonable decision; given that the storyline involved the invasion of an entire galaxy, it’s entirely plausible that there might be some interesting stories mined out of planets that we had not seen covered in the original storyline.
From the point of view of someone who has read the novels, the main thing I was looking for from this comic is its handling of the villains. The most compelling aspect of the novels was the Yuuzhan Vong, a race of alien invaders from another galaxy unlike anything the STAR WARS universe had ever seen. The books were filled with descriptions of a ruthless, unstoppable armada made up of creatures tattooed from head to toe, who made ritualistic self-mutilation a mainstay of their society, used bizarre biotechnology wherever the normal STR WARS universe used mechanical objects, and perhaps most mysteriously, seemed to have no presence whatsoever in The Force. So what could the comics do with creatures that were so visually compelling and frightening even in words alone?
The answer here is not much. The artist here draws them as pretty conventional movie monsters, definitely not anywhere near as creepy or revolting as the descriptions in the novels would suggest. They run around looting and pillaging, but they simply aren’t scary. The writer too disappoints, not giving them any opportunity in this first issue to show off abilities or technology that would make the reader think “This is something different and deadly.” The rest of the story too is pretty by-the-numbers, with fairly generic characterization and few truly dramatic or intense moments. It’s not aided by the art which is a little rough, but without any particularly interesting stylistic quirks to make up for it. All in all, it’s a little surprising that for what should be a fairly major launch of a new Star Wars comic, the effort and the creative team turned out to be so lackluster. One has to wonder whether Dark Horse’s heart is really in this.

BOOM! KIDS

Reviewed by Liam ‘The Kid’

Note: ‘The Kid’ is 8 years old and has been doing reviews on his own site since August of 2008. And you can now follow the kid’s daily ‘adventures’ on Twitter.
One of my favorite comic companies right now is Boom Kids. A lot of times when people make comic books that are supposed to be for kids only they can be pretty boring. They’re usually sillier than the regular comics that have Batman or Spider-Man and the adventures that they have aren’t as cool as what happens in the real books. Some kids comics like Marvel Adventures Spider-Man and Tiny Titans are really good because they’re funny and have some good action in them but I’ve read a bunch of comics that people suggest for kids that really aren’t that good.
Boom Kids has a lot of comics that are supposed to be good for kids and that adults will like too. I think I’ve read all the Boom Kids books or if I didn’t read it then my brother, Ethan did. They do a really good job of coming up with some fun ideas for stories. Since I don’t have one comic to review this week (Batman and Robin #2 was the best book last week but someone else is reviewing it) I am going to do mini reviews of all the Boom Kids books.

MUPPET SHOW Written and drawn by Roger Langridge

THE MUPPET SHOW is a really fun comic. I never watched the television show of the Muppets but I saw the movies. The comic takes place on THE MUPPET SHOW and has a lot of different stories going on at the same time. Kermit is trying to make the show go good and no one ever listens to him. They also do the Pigs in Space action story and have really funny parts with the chef and the scientist and his lab partner. Those are always my favorite parts. I like the old men who just complain about everything, too. THE MUPPET SHOW is my favorite Boom comic because it has a lot of different smaller stories in the comic which is better to read.

TOY STORY Written by Dan Jolley & drawn by Chris Moreno

TOY STORY was a really good movie and the comic is just as good. Buzz and Woody are the main characters but they show a lot of the other toys, too. The piggy bank and dinosaur get the most things to do but other characters are in the book like the slinky dog and Bo Peep and the green army men. I like in the first issue that everyone is jealous because they think there’s this cool new toy but it’s really just an air freshener. Toy Story is probably the funniest of the Boom comics.

INCREDIBLES Written by Mark Waid & drawn by Marcio Takara

I didn’t like the INCREDIBLES movie that much but I got the comic anyway. The comic is a lot better than the movie was. Mr Incredible lost his powers but he’s still trying to stay a hero even though he can’t do much. I like a lot of the crazy battles that happen in the comic like the one at the zoo and the other one with the giant alien robot. They came up with some pretty interesting battles for the Incredibles to have and it makes the book better. I also like that they spend time on other characters besides the Incredibles like Frozone. He’s the best character in the book.

CARS Written by Alan J Porter & drawn by Albert Carreres

I didn’t like the CARS movie, either and the comic book reminds me a lot about the movie. I know it’s pretend but I don’t think that cars that talk are very interesting. My little brother really liked the movie and collects all the toys and he liked the comic a lot more than me. He likes how they spend a lot of time showing all of the different cars and letting cars besides Lightning McQueen have things to do. So I guess if you really like the CARS movie you’ll like the comic book. He thinks so.

MUPPET ROBIN HOOD Written by Tim Beedle & drawn by Armand Villavert Jr

I think having the Muppets do Robin Hood is such a great idea. A lot of the Muppet movies have all of the characters doing different stories like Scrooge and Treasure Island and Wizard of Oz so doing Robin Hood makes sense. Kermit is Robin Hood because he’s like the leader of the Muppets and Robin Hood is the leader of his group and all of the other Muppets show up as different characters from Robin Hood. My favorite character in this comic is Gonzo because he’s really crazy. I don’t know how to explain it but he just makes no sense in the comic and says and does all of this weird stuff that makes it kind of funny. It’s like he wants to get captured or hurt. He’s weird. There is more action in this comic than the regular Muppet book but it’s also pretty funny, as well.
They also have pictures at the end of their comics for FINDING NEMO, MONSTERS INC and WALL-E so I guess they’re going to be doing those as comic books too. If they do, I’ll read those, too.

MR STUFFiNS Written by Andrew Cosby & Johanna Stokes & drawn by Axel Machain

MR. STUFFiNS isn’t a Boom Kids book but it does come out from Boom and it’s one of the best comics that I’ve read so I wanted to mention it. MR STUFFiNSis about a teddy bear who gets a special chip put in him that turns him into a special secret agent who is a great fighter, too. It’s a really silly idea but it’s so fun to see the parts where the teddy bear is just beating on the bad guys or using weapons and stuff.
Boom has a lot of great comics for kids and grown ups and so far I’ve liked all of the books that they have come out with and think that most kids would like these books too. I gave copies of THE MUPPET SHOW and CARS books to kids in my class and they were all really happy to get them and liked them a lot.

BATMAN & ROBIN #2

Writer: Grant Morrison Artist: Frank Quitely Publisher: DC Comics Reviewer: Optimous Douche

Wow, talk about a dynamic fucking duo! No, not Dick and Damian (anyone else think this still sounds like the title for gay porn), they are still getting their sea legs as the protectors of Gotham as we’ll explore in a minute. No, my expletive praise is showering down on the heads of Mr. Morrison and Mr. Quitely, a team that has yet to do wrong and seems to have the uncanny ability to resuscitate even the most tired titles and comic characters. While I was one of the harshest critics of FINAL CRISIS, I would never be so arrogant to call Morrison a hack, nor as this book and ALL STAR SUPERMAN indicate a one-note wonder. Anyone who has read Morrison’s non-mainstream titles like DOOM PATROL and INVISIBLES knows that this guy lives on another plane of existence. Quitely, though, seems to be Morrison’s Patronus, his cute little spirit animal that is able to bring the big M back to a state of normality and greatness. There are no disjointed concepts like misogyny pancakes and Nazi pantyhose to be found in a title when these two work together. I don’t know why they gel so well, but for anyone that was put off by Morrison’s work outside of his Quitely team-ups, don’t let that stop you from basking in the glory of these two - you are only hurting yourself.
Everything in this title was meticulously timed and crafted, from the characterization of the new Dark Knights (who are not so dark) to every beat of action that left me enthralled and thirsting for next month’s installment. Right from the opening page as Dick Grayson sits on the stairs of the new Batcave under Wayne Tower, beaten and downtrodden, you know that he will never be Bruce Wayne and that’s A-OK in my book. Bruce Wayne was never human; the same event that made him Batman stripped away all facets of humanity. Dick by contrast is all too human articulating every ounce of self-doubt and loathing that has come with taking on the august mantle of The Bat. Does this tragic flaw make him a better Batman, well not yet, but in time I think it will certainly make him more interesting than his predecessor.
Dick’s sullen shoulders are the result of a botched rescue at Gotham’s Police Headquarters. In response to a Bat-Signal from Commissioner Gordon, Damien and Dick (there that’s better) arrive to bleed some information out of Mr. Toad on his recent crime spree. The interchange between Gordon and his men after the dynamic duo leave the rooftop to respond to an emergency call inside the building was priceless if not a bit mistimed. Phrases like “Wasn’t Batman taller” and “That’s not his usual voice, but I do recognize it” acknowledged the fact that the costume alone does not make the hero. I say mistimed because Gotham’s finest were having this conversation after the emergency call came through, but fuck it, it’s comics, for the yucks alone I’m willing to roll with it. Once inside the building where Mr. Toad’s circus freak friends are seemingly trying to bust him out of jail Quitely renders some of the best action fight scenes I have ever seen. Every acrobatic tumble and smattering of drywall moved with such a natural grace I thought I was watching a movie. I could hear every snap and crumble inside my head. As the tussle ends with four policemen and Mr. Toad lying lifeless, you know you are reading a book with real consequences where perhaps the heroes will not always save the day. This sort of “real-life” approach is something one expects from an indie title, but always lacking inside the universes of the BIG TWO. I applaud DC for allowing Morrison to take this sort of no-nonsense approach to a story that is clearly going to be imbedded inside ongoing continuity.
The scuffle at the police station was essentially botched because Damien and Dick have yet to gel as a team. Damien’s arrogance and unbridled hatred for Dick is at the epicenter of the discord. I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around Damien. Twenty years ago we all voted unanimously to keep douchiness outside of the Batcave with the DC 900 number campaign that allowed the Joker to wail on Jason Todd like a piñata. If you strip away Damien’s DNA he is Jason, but ten times worse. Don’t get me wrong, I like the dynamic of mentor and petulant learner that is developing between these two, it just seems like an odd choice. It makes me wonder how long Damien will truly be around. This dynamic also allowed for some wonderful scenes between Alfred and Dick after Damien storms out searching for Mr. Toad’s killers. It’s eminently clear that Alfred now calls the shots until Dick is ready to man-up and truly carry the mantle.
After their run on X-MEN and ALL STAR SUPERMAN I was ready to read anything that Morrison and Quitely teamed up on. Now after reading the second issue of BATMAN AND ROBIN, I am sending out a clarion call to both DC and Marvel to let these guys have a crack at all of the comic chestnuts. If you want to save comics, guys, I think the work of these two is the magic formula; you will certainly get my money.
When Optimous Douche isn’t reading comics and misspelling the names of 80’s icons, he “transforms” into a corporate communications guru. "What if the whole world had superpowers? Find out in the pages of Optimous’ original book AVERAGE JOE. Read the first full issue on Optimous’ New Blog and see original sketches by fellow @$$hole Bottleimp. If you are a publisher or can help these guys get AVERAGE JOE up, up, and on the shelves in any way, drop Optimous a line."

WE KILL MONSTERS #1

Written: Laura Harkcom, Christopher Leone Art: Brian Churilla Published by: Red 5 Comics Reviewer: superhero

Well, this is a fun little horror romp. There’s nothing incredibly special about this book. It’s very much like other entries in the monster hunting genre. This particular story is about two brothers who run an auto mechanic shop. One night they come across something incredibly bizarre and it pretty much looks like it’s going to change the course of their lives forever. Like I said, there’s nothing particularly unique or different about this book. If you’ve read something like TOMB OF DRACULA or are into BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER you’ve seen stuff like this before. The thing is that books like the aforementioned properties are very good company to keep. And while WE KILL MONSTERS hasn’t achieved that sort of potential just yet it looks like it could build up to something that could be just as entertaining as either TOMB or BUFFY.
This first issue is pretty much just setup for the rest of the series and it moves along at a great pace. The standout for me was the cartooning work of artist Brian Churilla. His work reminds me of early Kieron Dwyer but with a bit of a more refined line to it. It’s his work that really got my attention here. His storytelling is spot on and his style is fun and breezy yet able to portray enough intensity for this particularly creepy action tale.
The first entry of WE KILL MONSTERS was interesting enough that it left me curious for more. The problem is…well, the price tag. As I said, this issue moves pretty fast and is a very quick read. I’m not saying anything bad about the content of the book as the story moves along at just the perfect pace but four dollars for this introductory chapter seems like a bit much. As much as I love independent books and I understand the costs of self-publishing I have to say that I’m probably going to wait for a trade edition for this particular title. It’s not that I don’t think that WE KILL MONSTERS is worth paying good cash for, it’s just that I think that potential fans are going to be turned away from a good book because of its cost. I know I am. It’s too bad, because I think that the WE KILL MONSTERS crew has some talent here. I just think that its talent that would have been better displayed in a graphic novel format and not overly priced monthlies.
Discovered as a babe in an abandoned comic book storage box and bitten by a radioactive comic fan when he was a teenager, superhero is actually not-so mild mannered sometime designer & cartoonist, Kristian Horn of Los Angeles, California. He's been an @$$hole for three years. Some of his work can be seen at www.kristianhorn.com.

EXISTENCE 2.0

Writer: Nick Spencer Artist: Ron Salas Publisher: Image Comics Reviewed by Andrew Goletz

I don’t do many reviews anymore. I limit my commentary on comics to a few words here and there every week about the latest comics that I enjoyed (or hated). But every now and then a project comes along that you’re so impressed by that you want to shout out to anyone who will listen or care, “you NEED to read/watch/listen to this.” EXISTENCE 2.0 is such a project.
The story is simple enough. A physicist is murdered by a hitman and his consciousness is transferred to the body of the killer so he has to solve his own murder. The comic itself is narrated by the main character, Sylvester Baladine, who is running out of time. Not only was he murdered, but the people responsible for putting the hit out on him have also kidnapped his daughter. Sylvester isn’t necessarily a likeable guy. People don’t seem to be all that pleased whenever he’s around and it becomes obvious that there is more to ‘Sly’ than meets the eye. He’s got more to his past that most people know about and as he inhabits the body of the man who tried to kill him Spencer and Salas shine a little light on what other talents Sly may have.
There’s action. There’s intrigue. Its crime noir mixed with a little bit of sci-fi and pulpy adventure. Spencer’s dialogue is sharp and smart with a little bit of wit mixed in for good measure and I can’t say enough great things about Salas’ art. His style looks like it’d fit right in on a CRIMINAL or SLEEPER. One other thing that really stuck out when reading this book was the color choices. Coloring is an art that often gets ignored. If it’s bad, you complain about it. If it’s good you expect it to be that way but the choices made here with colors give the book a different dimension and make it even more of a visual treat. When you try a first issue from an unproven creative team you’re looking for something to keep your attention and leave you craving more. This team succeeds. The action starts from the very first page and the twists and turns throughout the narrative will hold your interest until you sadly realize that the issue is over.
I want to address the power of the team behind this comic. Both are new to the industry and this is their first big published work. The temptation could have been there for either one of them to try and overshadow the other with either dialogue that’s over the top or splash pages that resemble pinups instead of complimenting the story. Reading the book you get the real sense that these two are working together on telling the story, not just doing separate halves of the same job. Ed Brubaker and Sean Philips on SLEEPER, Brian Bendis and Alex Maleev on SAM AND TWITCH, Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely on FLEX MENTALLO: early pairings of fan and critically acclaimed comic book teams. Remember when you first read those comics and thought that there was something more to your liking the book than simply words and pictures? EXISTENCE 2.0 isn’t on the level of those teams yet, but you can certainly see the foundation being laid right before your eyes. There’s an energy to the book that extends beyond the page and you can just tell that you’re reading the beginning of something special. The book is scheduled as a 3 issue series to begin with. If sales warrant it, there will be more. Regardless of whether there is more EXISTENCE 2.0 on the horizon I would almost guarantee that this is a creative pairing that you’re going to see on a fan favorite title one day. Pick up a copy next Wednesday, July 3rd and be able to say, “I remember reading Spencer and Salas’ first comic way back when”. 32 pages for $3.50 is considered a bargain now and if you don’t feel the same way about the book after you read it think of how fun it will be to come to the talkbacks next week and slam me.

MARVEL DIVAS #1

Writer: Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa Artist: Tonci Zonjic Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewer: Rock-Me Amodeo (with a little help from the rest of the @$$Holes)

Midnight at the Talkback League of @$$Holes HQ. Ambush Bug and Sleazy G fight over a packet of Funyuns. Another self-published comic has been successfully foisted off onto Superhero. The mysterious ritual known as “Dibbage” begins…
ROCK-ME AMODEO (ROCK-ME) (for it is he): Dibbing MARVEL DIVAS #1 – reminds me why I hated “Sex and the City.”
OPTIMOUS DOUCHE (OPTIMOUS): Wait, I'm trying to wrestle with the fact you actually bought it. Please say Marvel sent it as a review .pdf ...
HUMPHREY LEE (HUMPHREY): Is that the book with the Greg Landed Cosmo cover on the front and written by Joe Q's current shoe shine boy? Who could resist that?
ROCK-ME: What can I say? I’m still trying to get in touch with my masculine side.
Actually, I can’t resist a book with Patsy Walker. I was thinking T&A. But it’s gossip, dishing and pedicures. Kind of like “Outshined.” It was looking California. But I’m feeling Minnesota…or maybe Manhattan…
AMBUSH BUG (BUG): What sucks about it is that it really wastes an opportunity for characters like Firestar and Captain Marvel who don't have other series going for them. And also, those are not the characters I would associate with the word diva. Hellcat, maybe. Black Cat, ok. But Firestar and Monica Rambeau (Cap Marvel) always were pretty down to earth and wholesome.
Storm, M from X-Factor, Namora from Agents of ATLAS, Dazzler, even She-Hulk or Dakota North (former model)...those are divas.
Uhm...why are we talking about this again...Gotta go do man stuff.
STONES THROW (STONE): Monica Rambeau is a sad indictment of female characters in comics. She’s gone from leading the Avengers under Roger Stern to being seen as just another available woman to be shoved into a random miniseries. Seriously, when frickin’ SHE-HULK was Marvel’s best written comic in years starring a woman, what does that say? I like how they sell it as “getting in touch with your feminine side”, as if anyone without a Y chromosome was reading it. And as if it didn’t have a completely crass and objective view of women.
But then so did SEX AND THE CITY and apparently the chicks love that.
In conclusion, shame on you, Rock-me! But I’m looking forward to the review.
ROCK-ME (lights a cigarette): Actually, the thing that kind of sealed the deal for me, regarding Monica, was remembering how selfless she was in Avengers, long time ago. I LIKED that person. But she’s dishing with her gal-pals, and says something like, “So I was down in New Orleans after Katrina, helping to clean up the mess you white folks left…”
WTF? I know that Caucasians are the only people it’s okay to say are racist, but this really struck me as out of character for her.
In fact, all of these characters seem to simply be shoe-horned into some kind of plot. I can almost hear the narration going on in “Carrie Bradshaw”s whiney voice…
Like the AICN advert goes, it seems like just another author’s lame attempt to push their self-seeking agenda…whatever that is.
BUG: I really started following the Avengers right about the time Monica was introduced. She was awesome. Really the only black female character who wasn't royalty or a criminal. It's too bad no one knows what to do with her at Marvel.
OPTIMOUS: They didn't even have the decency to have them pillow fight once in underwear. What the hell are comics coming to?
STONE: Yeah, GOTHAM CITY SIRENS was much better in that regard.
HUMPHREY (downing another whisky): This needs to be a Roundtable methinks, just to fuck with everyone.
Fade out.

GREEK STREET #1

Writer: Peter Milligan Art: Davide Gianfelice Publisher: DC Vertigo Reviewer: Humphrey Lee

The "old stories" come alive is the name of the game in this new ongoing from Pete Milligan and Vertigo. GREEK STREET, for those not aware (like I wasn't before this book came out), in the real world is a stretch in London, in Soho, that is apparently a very ethnic area. GREEK STREET, the comic, is a "re-imagining" I guess you would say of old Greek myths and legends playing out in modern times with the aforementioned location as the backdrop. It's also the next in line in a push of Vertigo books designed to try and get some readership going by starting out with over-sized and under-priced debut issues; a great maneuver on their part because it seems that its been a trial to get attention to and sustain it on these new ongoing outings from the line as of late. Think of this, though, as an ongoing version of THE INFINITE HORIZON, except with an infinitely larger amount of tits and 100% more mother humping. Ah, the old stories and their understatedness...
As you can imagine by that commentary, the main story of this book starts out very Oedipal. Young Eddie, a two-bit hood, seems to be our lead for the moment, or maybe for the series even, but obviously this title is young and we have no clue if these characters are going to be around for a while or if this book is going to use a rotation of protagonists. Really, this time around, there's actually just a ton of players being introduced, from Eddie to Mr. Furey, the owner of Furey's strip club - which also seems to be like a character itself given how much action revolves around it and the girls within - and a big man in the area in general, to uh, some girl in an attic that's a bit nuts (supposedly our Oracle) and on and on. There's a ton to digest with this first issue, as you can imagine given its size, and in this case I actually am not sure that those extra pages were such a good idea.
Now, what I mean by that - and here's where I'm going to put on the Critical Hat - is that I think this book would have been better served if maybe it had spread itself out more. I don't know if maybe Mr. Milligan got caught up in all the extra space he had to establish his book and figured he needed to get those who picked it up as much info as possible to get acclimated to it or what, but I think in the end this got overloaded. There're just so many elements introduced here, some with almost little or no background or depth to them, that I think it would have better served the book to "slow burn" us for a couple issues. The main story is on Eddie, and he does get a fair amount of scene time in the book like he should, but then you get a fairly excessive amount of jumping around from scene to scene to scene with each only getting a limited amount of time to play themselves out. Even Eddie's incestuous horizontal polka with his mother that left him in an orphanage when he was younger seemed to play out too fast as it went from him talking to her in a bar to their drunkenly going back to her place to the reveal of her being his mom to her having an accident and dying all in the span of five pages. Really, and I don't know about you, but when it comes to the shock and horror of tipsily slipping it to the woman who brought you into the world, a handful of pages seems to be a little on the light side, y'know? That whole bag of WTF could have played itself out for one 22 page debut issue methinks while everything else got spotlighted in their own issues until everything lined itself up, or at least that's how I see it.
Now, not to be completely down on this book, I think all that above is probably my biggest complaint of this, and it really could just be boiled down to a pacing complaint. I do think the book has a great atmosphere to it, almost an aura really, that surrounds it. It feels "magical" even though I'm not entirely sure if there's going to be anything more or less supernatural going on, or whatever term you wish to use for it. The back-end previews of this book that have been running throughout all the Vertigo titles the past few weeks would have me believe so, but that's kind of what I was getting at above: I got more about the players in this book out of a preview spelling it out for me than I did reading the issue itself. At the least, though, this has all the makings to be a good, even great, underworld drama (of the criminal element kind, not the fire and brimstone one) because obviously we know there's going to be a lot of tragedy and buckets upon buckets of blood spilt. The side characters will need to step up and carry the book a bit more, methinks; I don't think Eddie is strong enough a character to carry enough page time himself and make us care, but it is early and there might be some strength of character under all that confused little boy in a man's exterior. There does look to be a lot of gang and territorial intrigue at play here, plus a murderous side plot that could pan out as something pretty devious as well, but again, to beat that horse even deader, we really didn't see enough of those to know what they mean.
I still do remain optimistic that the Old Stories have a lot of life left in them to make the pages of GREEK STREET jump to life. Honestly, the big gripe that I had that dominated this review is the same one that I had for THE UNWRITTEN, another brand new Vertigo book, and all it took was a second issue of that to slow things down and expand all these concepts that were thrown at us rapid fire with the debut of it to make me throw my unmitigated support behind that title. I think the same can, and will, happen here. It really does have the base elements that make a good story down: sex, violence, mystery, and - something I've neglected to mention up to this point - fantastic interiors under the pencils of Davide Gianfelice, a large contributor to that aura I said earlier lent so much to making me really feel this book. Hopefully GREEK STREET follows in the same vein and becomes a place that I can't wait to revisit month in and month out, and not just another rundown and shoddy area that you pump the gas a little harder to run on by.
Humphrey Lee has been an avid comic book reader going on fifteen years now and a contributor to Ain't It Cool comics for quite a few as well. In fact, reading comics is about all he does in his free time and where all the money from his day job wages goes to - funding his comic book habit so he can talk about them to you, our loyal readers (lucky you). He's a bit of a social networking whore, so you can find him all over the Interwebs on sites like Twitter, The MySpaces, Facebookand a Blogger Account where he also mostly talks about comics with his free time because he hasn't the slightest semblance of a life. Sad but true, and he gladly encourages you to add, read, and comment as you will.

ESCAPE FROM WONDERLAND #0

Written by: Raven Gregory, Joe Brusha, and Ralph Tedesco Art by: Daniel Leister Published by: Zenescope Entertainment Reviewed by: Ryan McLelland

I love alot of Zenescope's line, especially these WONDERLAND books. They take our sweet ALICE IN WONDERLAND premise and just kick the living shit out of it. They do it well and the art is just so appealing to the eyes. The series is a trilogy with RETURN TO WONDERLAND & BEYOND WONDERLAND already having hit shelves. Now comes the final act ESCAPE FROM WONDERLAND and I hope that the book doesn't come to suffer from trilogyitis.
This issue doesn't slam action right in your face but actually acts as a bridge from the second series to the third. Calie, our blonde heroine, returns to her old home looking for a pathway to Wonderland. Why would she go back to the horribly violent place she ran from? Turns out those not-nice fairy tale creatures have stolen her baby and now she's ready to do anything to get her back. Every journey has its first step and this is our lead-in to what is coming with #1.
For those interested in the series this issue is a great place to get your feet wet. The intro story is quite short but the rest of the book has a great look at the characters who make up the WONDERLAND series. One look at the Cheshire Cat and you realize what this series is all about.
With a $1.99 price tag this a great cheapie to pick up and suck you right in. ESCAPE FROM WONDERLAND looks to be a powerful end to the series and #0 gets you in the mood for what is coming next.

DOCTOR WHO CLASSICS VOL 3

Story by: Grant Morrison, Steve Moore, Steve Parkhouse Art by: John Ridgeway, Bryan Hitch, Dave Gibbons Published by: IDW Publishing Reviewed by: Baytor

When I was a kid, STAR WARS was my favorite comic. My dad refused to take me to see the movie the first year it was out, so I had to wait until it was released in 1978 to finally see what everyone else had been raving about. The Marvel comic was my life-line, although years later I would be amazed at how little the comic resembled the movie, featuring giant carnivorous bunny rabbits and Wild West shoot-outs in the cold vacuum of space.
Of course, my childhood memories of DOCTOR WHO are no where near as good. Back then, Doctor Who was played on PBS, which made the horrible mistake of presenting all their offerings as if they were good for you. This was back in the Dark Ages when you had to journey five miles, through the snow, up-hill, both ways, to change the channel, so it was a good thing there were only 10 channels to choose from. The point being, sooner or later you’d end up watching anything just out of sheer boredom, so that’s when I gave DOCTOR WHO a shot.
God, I hated it. This wasn’t quality science fiction like BATTLESTAR GALACTICA & BUCK ROGERS, this was a hammy actor running up and down cheap corridors being menaced by a guy wearing tights and a bull head, without so much as a hint of roller disco. How can you have proper 70s science fiction without roller disco? Such was the suckiness of this single experience that I didn’t watch another episode until the new series premiered with “Rose”, which I loved…and I even went back and revisted the old series and learned to look back at the cheap sets and microscopic budget with love, although “The Horns Of Nimon”, my first-ever Who experience, is still ass.
But I’m drifting.
The old Marvel UK DOCTOR WHO comics resembled its television counterpart about as much as STAR WARS resembled its. Freed from the microscopic budgets of the BBC, the stories took on a scale that often seemed at odds with the televised version and embraced a sense of whimsy that even Tom Baker at his most silly couldn’t match. Think Colin Baker in that rainbow colored suit is bad, wait until the comic teamed him up with a shape-shifting penguin. Personally, I kind of liked him, but a lot of fans hated him almost as much as Bonnie Langford’s Mel.
The third volume in the DOCTOR WHO CLASSICS series not only continues the adventures of the fourth Doctor, but reprints the entirety of Grant Morrison’s work on the character (three tales clocking in a whopping 48 pages). The best is the slightly trippy “Culture Shock!” which is about the 7th Doctor helping out a society of micro-organisms and featuring some rather forgettable artwork by Bryan Hitch. My least favorite was “The World Shapers” which is basically a continuity wet-dream, featuring the return of an old companion (Jamie), the return of a villain not seen since the early 60s (the Voord), the explanation of an old bit of continuity (“Planet 13”), and the secret origin of a classic villain (the Cybermen). All of which might have made a good

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  • July 8, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    What's that?

    by Series7

    You want more reviews? <P> http://tinyurl.com/ncr6bz <P> Man I got nothing better to do.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    BOOM! KIDS

    by Series7

    Is pretty good stuff. Though Mr. Stuffins was not as cool as I thought it would be.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Though

    by Series7

    I don't feel the need to turn EVERY Pixar movie into a cartoon. I really want to see what they do with Wall-E, but are they really going to bring back A Bug's Life and Toy Story 2?

  • July 8, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Just me?

    by Duck of Death

    I found that Captain America review completely incomprehensible.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Liam ‘The Kid’

    by Series7

    Though I don't know if he reads this, maybe his dad does. Either way he needs to be tought about Teddy Ruxpin and that creepy ass bear from AI. Then go back and read Mr. Stuffins.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Good ole Optimous

    by Series7

    Gay porn always on the mind.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    EXISTENCE 2.0???

    by Series7

    Why is everyone tripping over themselves to praise the shit out of this title? It was ok, better then Unwritten but not the next anything. And the art was really just flat, I don't think it matched the story.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Anyone going to pick up the

    by Series7

    $4 newpaper that DC is putting out this week? Fucking $4 for that thing. I wanted to get it, now I dont.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I want to see a Max series round up

    by Series7

    By Liam the Kid next week.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Series 7

    by AndrewGol

    Teddy Ruxpin was before his time and he's never seen AI. And I want to spare him the horror of ever knowing about Ruxpin or watching AI

  • July 8, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Wednesday Comics

    by AndrewGol

    Definately picking it up. I'm glad that DC is trying something different with the new format and they have a great line up of creators. The preview pages were amazing. 4 bucks seems to be the new standard price for books so I'm not really bothered by it. My geek pick of the week of course is Amazing Spider-Man Annual 36....Ben Reilly flashback baby!!!

  • July 8, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Awww come on

    by Series7

    I think Ruxpin is making a comeback, and Teddy was the only cool thing in AI. <P> New Ruxpin <P> http://tinyurl.com/2fy2po

  • July 8, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Duck Of Death...

    by alfiemoon

    I guess the Cap/Reborn review was meant to be "unstuck in time", like Steve Rogers appears to be. Unfortunately, this prevented it from saying anything interesting or insightful about the book itself, leaving it less of a review and more a series of disjointed, apparently unconnected statements (a bit like Series 7's posts). I would have preferred an actual review, I think.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Stream of conscious

    by Series7

    Kind of like Faulkner.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Stop fucking around and review the damn comic book!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Also, I'd buy a Bryan Hitch drawn Archie comic.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    MUPPET SHOW

    by Series7

    Does it have the Bear? He was created for the new Muppet Show in the 90s, the bumbling idiot security guard. He was pretty funny, I don't see him on the cover.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Cheshire Cat one shot

    by Series7

    Was pretty cool, though it played out like Black Christmas.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Agreed

    by Joenathan

    Usually, I prefer going on about my own opinions, instead of talking about you guy', but the Cap review was bad and frankly, a little embarrassing in its total failure. Better luck next time...

  • July 8, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I really would've liked to have had an informative review about

    by The Nihilist

    ...rather than seven paragraphs of the reviewer masturbating back and forth, saying "Whee, look at how clever I am here!" Oh well, maybe next time.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Reviews of classic Marvel Comics

    by kalel21

    Remember to check out comicsradio.blogspot.com for a week-by-week history of classic Marvel superhero books. I'll stop plugging this site every week before I become too much of a troll. The blog is done by a friend of mine, though, so I wanted to give his blog what I think is some deserving attention.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Marvel Divas

    by Joenathan

    If there was nudity and fucking... top ten seller. Why not make it a max series with the stuff that you know your main demographic is going to buy immediately (and claim that they didn't). Otherwise, a Superhero Sex and the City? I mean, its not a bad idea, in and of itself, but is there really a market for it, sans naked tits?

  • July 8, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    U.S.A. COMICS #1

    by Series7

    Why did they put that fucking preview in this? I would have actually like to have read some interview about how they went updating the story or what not. Putting a stupid preview in this comic dates it, while the whole thing shoud have come off as a timeless thing. Fucking pisses me off.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Marvel Divas

    by Series7

    Is just an answer to DC Sirens. Both suck.

  • July 8, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Black Widow

    by Laserhead

    So is her name Natasha or Natalia? They can't seem to decide...

  • July 8, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Joenathan

    I haven't been to th LCS yet, so I'm excited for the next Batman and Robin. Morrison and Quitely are fanatstic. Do you think its because Frank tells Grant "no"? Do you think Grant spews his weird shit, just getting more and more unspooled and losing more and more sight of the narrative string and thn Frank goes: "Grant! You're drifting! Focus!"

  • July 8, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Frank slips

    by Series7

    Adderall in Grants sippy cup.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Reborn

    by machine monkey

    Could we get a new review? One that makes sense?

  • July 8, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    I cry JUSTICE for my $ back!

    by Squashua

    I want my four bucks back, DC.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Liked MR STUFFINS when it was BORIS THE BEAR

    by Squashua

    Just sayin'.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Liked MARVEL DIVAS when it was ULTRA

    by Squashua

    The only readable book from The Luna Bros.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Is that Katrina line about white people really in Divas?!?

    by Laserhead

    I hope in the next panel another cartoon slapped that stupid cartoon bitch in the face.<p>What an asinine, hacky thing to write for a black, female character.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Hey

    by Joenathan

    Did Far Arden come out yet? I wanted to check that one out.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    "That stupid cartoon bitch"

    by Joenathan

    Thats awesome

  • July 8, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    REBORN : Review / Plot breakdown. Courtest of wikipedia

    by V'Shael

    Captain America #600<p> The story starts with the second anniversary of the death of Captain America. There is a dispute between people, whether to honor him as a patriot, or hate him for being a traitor. Sharon Carter is also looking for the agent to whom she gave the gun she used to kill Steve Rogers. She tracks him down, and using a device from Nick Fury, she hypnotizes him and makes him tell her where he put the gun. <p> The focus they put on finding the specific gun, gives the writer the option of saying "It wasn't an ORDINARY gun..." so methinks we can see the beginnings of the ret-con right there. <p> As Bucky (the current Captain America) reflects on what's happening to the country, Rikki Barnes talks with Eli Bradley (aka Patriot), telling him that she wants to be Bucky's new partner. Patriot says that Bucky is not looking for a new partner right now, but he wants Rikki to meet him, like Steve would have wanted him to. <p> Meanwhile, Crossbones and Sin escape from the H.A.M.M.E.R. holding facility in Colorado, and the Red Skull returns, still trapped in his robot body. In Central Park, Falcon, Natasha, Bucky, Luke Cage, Jessica Drew, and Clint Barton are there without their costumes, but have a teleportation spell ready in case Norman Osborn and his Dark Avengers attempt to capture them. Osborn, Sentry and the new Ms. Marvel manage to find the group while hovering over the park, but Osborn decides not to attack them. Instead, Osborn appears in front of the crowd, and says that the gathering, thought to be illegal, was approved by H.A.M.M.E.R. He declares that they will honor Captain America for who he was, and the crowd shouts his name, which upsets the Avengers present. Sharon Carter then appears to them, saying that there is still a way to save Steve. <p> At the H.A.M.M.E.R. holding facility in Colorado, Sin is questioned about a second shooter besides Crossbones in the murder of Captain America. They promise her freedom in exchange for the shooter, figuring that since the Red Skull is dead, she does not need to be loyal to him anymore. Sin laughs at this, and tackles the H.A.M.M.E.R agent, whispering something in his ear. She is about to escape when Bullseye captures her. Later, Bullseye and Norman Osborn are talking with the agent Sin attacked, and he says that she whispered, "Why are you sure he is dead?" Osborn declares that is a problem, but the question is whether she was talking about her father, or about Captain America. <p> Reborn <p> Sharon, Falcon, Vision, and Hank Pym are meeting together at Hank's lab. While Bucky and Black Widow infiltrate a H.A.M.M.E.R. helicarrier, Sharon explains to everyone how she shot Captain America. However, when they examine the gun, which she recovered in Captain America #600, they discover that it is technology sponsored by none other than Doctor Doom. (Yeah, saw THAT coming...) The gun didn't kill Steve, but as Zola explains to Osborn during a meeting, "froze him within space and time," and while Sharon was captured by Red Skull, she was used as part of a device to bring Steve back, or "unstick" him from time. When she damaged the machine, Steve did become "unstuck," however, no one is sure where. As Bucky and Widow are attacked by Ares and Venom, there are flashbacks to Steve Rogers, who appears on D-Day, his mother's death, and then back in D-Day with Bucky from that time. He questions what is happening to him, but appears to prepare to go along with where he is, and fight the battles of World War II all over again.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Stuck/Unstuck in time

    by Mr.FTW

    So are Steve Rogers and Bruce Wayne just hanging out together?

  • July 8, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Any kid who doesn't like Incredibles or Cars

    by FeralAngel

    ...is suspect, IMO. Therefore I shall heretofore make it my life's mission to warn all parents against Liam's choice in reading matter, lest their children also eschew solid superhero action and big shiny things that go ZOOM in favor of talking oven mitts. An entire generation is at stake here. Seriously, I think Liam's dad is making his kid's choices and telling him to like it. Nazi Dad. Not a pretty picture. Break free Liam. Be your own man! You're too old for puppets, little dude. (And can there be anything lamer than CARTOON puppets?)

  • July 8, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Worst Review Ever

    by Mike Hunt 4 Pres

    That Captain America Reborn review was the worst review I have ever fucking read. The Kid's reviews are way better.

  • July 8, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    You know what bothers me about Bullseys/Hawkeye?

    by Joenathan

    The bracer on his left hand is facing out. hat makes no sense. The bracer is supposed to protect the inner arm of the bow arm from the bow string and they always darw it facing he wrong way. That bugs the hell out of me.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Maybe he wears it that way on purpose

    by Laserhead

    to show that he's so fucking good, he doesn't need to protect the inner arm of his bow arm, because his pulls are so perfect, the string never grazes him.<p>NO PRIZE!

  • July 8, 2009, 11:17 a.m. CST

    ^ That is correct

    by Autodidact

    Here is your No Prize!

  • July 8, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    morrison and quitely

    by bacci40

    nothing they do together is bad<p> and how can someone not like the incredibles, which is just the dumbed down version of watchmen

  • July 8, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    We3

    by Autodidact

    If you like Morrisson+Quitely, We3 is the best thing they've done. It's about runaway experimental military animals. Probably my favourite comic of 2006.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    JUSTICE!!!

    by Dingleberry Jones

    Well, that was pretty weak. A couple of points for the pretty pictures, but overall, the book was brutal-particularly the dialogue. It was grade school, nay, alternative school at best. Cliches abound. How many times was there a character screaming "Justice!!" or a phrase containing said word? How trite. Characterization was brutal. Hal is leaving the League because he wants "justice" for recent events, okay, but is it "justice" Hal wants or is it revenge? Really? That's the type of hackneyed writing that were up against, folks. I would call it lazy writing, but mind you, they've been working towards this book for what, a year and a half? And yeah, that filler b.s. won't play here, unless it's 8 more pages of banal dialogue, in which case, you can keep your book and I'll spend my money on a cheap bottle of wine and drink to forget I just spent 4 bucks on a turd thats painted really nice.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Thank goodness other people pointed out

    by dogrobber

    they had problems with the Cap review - I thought it was just me and I had suffered a stroke while reading it. Seriously, I don't know if it is because of my Asperger's but this is the first time I have read something that actually caused me physical pain.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    which is just the dumbed down version of watchmen??

    by Series7

    Huh? How so?

  • July 8, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Justice/Robinson

    by Laserhead

    I just flipped through it, but the dialogue was fucking terrible.<p>And you know what, I just realized that Starman hasn't held up that well for me, having now read the third omnibus. It's a series that largely revolves around people sitting around telling stories, and those scenes are often suffused with a sugary sentimentality portrayed by a writer who is truly in love with the sound of his own voice-- Robinson has to narrate EVERYTHING in this series, often with way too many words-- as in redundant, syrupy, melodramatic words and very, very clumsy, hacky metaphors and similes: "The resolution like rice from a morning wedding on a windy afternoon. Scattered. Gone." There's stuff like that everywhere. And finally, thinking about it, I realized I kind of feel like Jack Knight is a huge fucking douche. He's a hipster poseur, with his little tattoos and collectible turds and "vintage" everything and lack of training or tradecraft. He's dull, kind of, in the sense that I feel Jack is a collection of quirks meant to signify "interesting" when really those quirks seem built around a hollow space, some lack of character, making him a, well, poseur. I couldn't understand this reaction at first. I'd loved the series when it first came out, though I did drop it somewhere in the mid-30s-- and now I remember why. There's this pedantic, kitschy sense of self-satisfaction to the book, which becomes more pronounced as it goes. A lot of dead air on the page, and a lot of purple prose. It's not really a bad comic, and can at times be really good, but as a series, it's hardly the defining masterpiece it seems to be taken for.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    For God's sake

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    Stop fucking around and review the damn comic book!

  • July 8, 2009, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Didio and more bang for your buck

    by Mr.FTW

    Here is a novel idea, instaed of secondary stories or bonus material how about 30 pages of the comic you paid $4 for? <p> Give me 30 pages of the main story without fluff and filler and then I might see some value.<p> The secondary stories might be good but if that is the case collectthem and put them in their own book and you can keep you "bonus" material.<p> If that is how they justify the price hike, no thanks, you can remove that stuff and drop the price back down.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    On a more serious note however...

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    <p>...Series7, I'm assuming that the Cap review is a homage to the scene in Watchmen, where Jon is on Mars, examining his entire life from his helter-skelter perspective on time. If you recall, he jumps forward and back multiple times as he's narrating how he ended up on Mars.</p> <p>And as witty and amusing as it might have been to see the review of Cap as a Watchman homage, I still can't make heads or tails of it. Dammit, if only I could perceive time in a non-linear fashion.</p>

  • July 8, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    You know, Morrison can be that good without Quitely

    by Laserhead

    I mean, he's always been able to do 'Super-adventure-comics-Grant-Morrison' (and there's probably nobody better at that kind of thing, actually). He usually doesn't have an artist as great as Quitely, but I don't think Quitely restrains him in any way. It's just a matter of which Morrison shows up to work.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:41 a.m. CST

    The Cap Review

    by Laserhead

    The Reborn review just became unstuck in time. Alright? That's hardly the fault of the reviewer.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Mr. FTW is right

    by Joenathan

    30 pages would make the price seem like a deal. Back-up stories are always a waste and are usually the type of story that is either common knowledge on a "duh" level or the type that believes it's an arty little tale, but is actually just art student shallow and cliched.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    maelstrom_ZERO

    by Series7

    No I was talking about bacci40 saying that the incredibles was like Watchmen. I wanted to know how.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Laserhead

    by Joenathan

    I haven't read starman, someone missing it when it first came out, and in the years since people slaver all over it and I linger around the edges almost picking it up, but when I glance through it... I get the exact same feelings that you just described, so I never get it. I can't imagine this feeling grows less with time, either.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Morrison

    by Joenathan

    yeah, its a matter of which Morrison shows up and not reliant on Quitely, but still, somewhere post JLA and Invisibles, Grant started to show tendencies toward becoming... narratively unstable at times... and the dichoomy between his two halves is so wide and fascinating, that I can't help just what the hell is going on at that moment that determines which one we, as the readers, get.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    secondary stories

    by Series7

    Actually Skaar is doing this quite nicely. Jumping back and forth between Skaar on earth and Silver Surfer on Sakaar. But Skaar is only $3 save for the one shots, but they are pretty full as well. Though that Hulk Family was $5, jeez didn't pick it up, anyone? If you don't read Skaar, you should, but flip through some of the back issues you will see what I am talking about it is handled very well.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    You're right about Morrison

    by Laserhead

    Where, exactly, can we mark the break, when he started becoming 'narratively unstable'?... Was it his last arc on X-Men, "Here Comes Tomorrow", or before that?

  • July 8, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Well fuck

    by Series7

    Just looked Skaar jumped to $4 last issue, I guess since you add a $1 for ever extra Hulk family member in a comic together.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Yeah WEDNESDAY COMICS.

    by Series7

    Should have been a $1 max. I wanted to buy that, but now fuck that. I'll wait for the trade.

  • July 8, 2009, noon CST

    Invisibles was "narratively unstable".

    by rev_skarekroe

    But that was the point.<p>Invisibles was so cool...

  • July 8, 2009, noon CST

    Superman in USA Today

    by Snookeroo

    Kudos to DC for this one -- the Man of Steel is the subject of an article in today's USA Today. Apparently, USA Today will run the Superman strip from DC's Wednesday comics format every week for the next six weeks.<br>Though I'm not that big a fan of the new format, you gotta hand it to DC for trying something different to reach new readers. There's a lot of encouraging comments from the article talkback:<br><br>"I've just made plans to go out and lunch and find a copy of this."<br><br>"Superman comics in the paper! Awesome!"<br><br>"This is exactly the kind of stuff that gets me to buy a newspaper or visit a website. I have already purchased the print edition of the USA Today. Hope to see more of this kind of stuff after this Superman serial is wrapped up!!"<br><br>"Sweet! I like that Superman and USA Today are teaming up for a new adventure. And I love the retro feel of the old-time cliffhangers! Nice art, too. I'll be back next Wednesday to see what's in store for the Man of Steel! I wonder if the rest of the comic book looks like this? This might just get an old guy to visit a comic book store for the first time in a couple decades."<br><br>"Cool, Superman in USA Today. I bet it's been 25 years since I last read a Superman comic."<br><br>This is the kind of thing the comics industry needs to do more of to reach new readers. That being said -- if one of these new readers wants to buy the Wednesday Comics, they have to find a comic book store. No comic store in your small town you say? You're more or less out of luck.<BR><BR>Nonetheless, this is a step in the right direction.<br> Ain't it cool?

  • July 8, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    No offense Stones Throw

    by Lyghthouse

    But you're not Kurt Vonnegut. I understand what you were going for, but its incredibly nonsensical.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Misogyny pancakes

    by RenoNevada2000

    Misogyny pancakes are what my wife served me every Sunday for breakfast, while wearing her Nazi pantyhose.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Invisibles was consistent

    by Joenathan

    You could count on a little bit of un-reality throughout he series AND it seemed controlled and purposeful when it did happen, no Laserhead is right, somewhere in X-men Morrison broke something in his head and the weird has been leaking out a little uncontrollablly ever since then. NOT hat he doesn't do great stuff now, he does, I mean, All Star, We3, Seven Soldiers, etc... amazing... No, its just that now... sometimes... the man starts from one place and then he just kind of.... wanders off. OR it seems like he's been talking to himself about an idea for a long time and its like he forgot that he didn't ever share those beginning grounding houghts with the rest of us and just jumps into the middle.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Superman in USA Today

    by Series7

    Just checked out the website. While that is cool, if you click on the menu to read other Comic articles USA has had recently there is nothing. Meaning that they haven't been talking about comics otherwise.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Wow chock-a-block with goodies this week!!

    by gooseud

    1. I've said this in the talkbacks before, but Starman suffers whenever the Shade is off camera. That character has a knack of cutting through Jack's (actually, Robinson's) pretentious bullshit. I recently re-read omnibus 1 and 2, and I think the series suffered from 2 things: LAck of narritive cohesion with the 317 different one shots and flashbacks between story arcs, and Robinson's ever increasing self-satisfied pretension. He, and by extension the series, went down the rabbit hole of Robinson's own arse. I will say, no one could write a one shot like him, though. The Mikaal Tomas one shot in the 70's? The "talking with David"s? Awesomeness. Its a supremely flawed series, but still one I highly recommend reading. It will awe and frustrate you all at the same time. 2. Sounds like Robinson hasnt improved with the general disdain for "Justice!!" in this talkback. It would take a very sharp writer to write that series, as Green Lantern is right: the blood is on the hero's hands for not doing what it takes to stop the villain. However, you cant actually SAY that, or the jig is up. 3. That Cap review sucked balls, the end. 4. Morrison requires artistic control, obviously, from people he respects. It cant come from editorial, as FC showed he will just ignore the suits. It seems to have to come from a creator he respects, IE Quitely. I refuse to accept that it is just coincidence that whenever he works with Quitely, everything snaps into place.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    The reason people slaver over Starman

    by Laserhead

    I think it must have to do with the 90s. A lot of us were in the first stages of our empowered youths, 19-22, when the book first hit, and the country was rich as fuck, music was slightly less about marketing, the movies were enjoying an independent renaissance of quality shit, and Seinfeld was on TV. It was a fun time to be a young American, and a lot of us were hipster poseurs who could connect to Jack Knight's 'list-of-quirks', as we were in the early stages of forming our adult identities. PLUS, this series was occurring at a time when most mainstream comics sucked so hard and so bad, it was refreshing just to see one that was concerned with the literary aspirations the series seemed to have. Anyway, I think it's legend has grown via nostalgia for our youths in that time: a brighter, more optimistic future, a more substantive pop culture, and a greater sense of possibility (all of which aren't necessarily products of the time, but products of youth).

  • July 8, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    The moment Starman broke was......

    by gooseud

    the last issue of the "Portrait of Dorian Grey" storyline. They had been building to that for years, and that issue was hideous. The devil makes an offer, they say no, and.....thats it? The end? Terrible, and the series honestly was never the same for me from that exact moment.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Superman in USA today would have been cooler....

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    ...about 15-20 years ago when there was an actual audience that read newspapers.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Wednesday Comics

    by optimous_douche

    I have words -- they will be here next week.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Laserhead: Slavering over Starman

    by gooseud

    was due to the piss-poor quality of 97% of the comics of the day. A comic like that, doing something so different (and say what you want, but Starman's style, ideas, and rhythms have never really been duplicated before or since, its wholly original) will stand out like a diamond in a pile of shit. Even as flawed as it was, it still was amazing compared to what was out there. It is STILL amazing to this day in spots, those first 12-16 issues or so are gold, GOLD JERRY!! However, as the general quality rose around it, the flaws became more apparent.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    so wait, on another topic.....

    by gooseud

    I should know this but I dont: editorial interference with The Boys? I remember vaguely that Ennis took the title away from DC? Can someone fill me in on the whole story?

  • July 8, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    True that.

    by Laserhead

    Re: state of the industry when Starman first arrived. And I agree about that lame ending for the Satanic poster. And to be fair, Starman kind of paved the way for everything Johns would do in JSA, and DC's embracing the legacy nature of its heroic identities.<p>But I still think Jack Knight is a big fucking douche. And the series on a whole probably weighs in at something like 1 great issue for every 3 mediocre or outright bad ones.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Goose The boys

    by optimous_douche

    As I understand the story, it was someone at Warner Brothers that read the book and pulled the plug.<p> They didn't want to tarnish their overall corporate image.<p> As a fan of comics and someone who works in corporate branding, I can see both sides of the coin here.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Will somebody else review Cap, please?

    by minos7

    I'd really like to read an actual AICN review of Cap Reborn, rather than seven paragraphs of editorial masturbation. Thank you.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    The Boys

    by Joenathan

    Yeah, from what I read, someone at DC thought the book was shit (rightly so) and wanted it cancelled. OThers looked at it and went: "eh... yeah... pretty much." and so they cancelled it and I found myself agreeing with overly controlling corporate assholes. Ennis then took the crappy thing elsewhere, where it continues on sucktastically to this day.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    CarmillaVonDoom

    by Snookeroo

    I agree, newspapers are a dying industry - however, the article and strip are also in their on-line version. And frankly, I don't think the Wednesday Comics thing will fly. In a society of instant gratification, who's going to wait a week to get a singular page of story?<br>What I do find encouraging is that DC is trying to bring in new readers outside the fanboy base. Wednesday Comics is an advertising tool, and not much else.<br>However, if they want Wednesday Comics to be a successful marketing vehicle, they need to find a way to get it into outlets that aren't comic book stores. And, just as importantly, they need to practically give it away -- this should not be something DC makes money off of directly, it should be a loss leader.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure why I originally missed Starman

    by Joenathan

    I mean, I was working in a comic shop at the time, buying Hellboy and Preacher and Astro Cityand the Invisibles and starting to take notice of Warren Ellis with his Stormwatch and Transmet. Also, I was totally against pretty much all of marvel at the time with its 3000 X titles, with Onslaught and Forceworks and Heroes Reborn an Liefeld and all that shit. I was actually reading more DC than Marvel at the time... I don't know how I missed it, but honestly, I think it was the slight whiff of cliched douchiness coming off Jack. I mean, I dressed and looked just like him, but he was written by some older dude and I was authentic... heh... whatever... the point is, I don't know how I missed it at the time, but I di and now I'm not sure if I can go back again... kindof like I would never grow another goatee if my life depended on it...

  • July 8, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Snookeroo

    My point exactly -- there is no conversation about comics otherwise in the general public, and that's not good for the industry.<br>People have to know your product exists if you expect them to buy it. And, they have to have easy access to it.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Snook

    by Series7

    I at least thought USA today would review a TBP or graphic novel from time to time. Fucking Entertainment weekly does comic reviews.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Comic trailers

    by Joenathan

    DC and Marvel should attach book trailers, maybe even post that LCS finder number: 1-800-comic-book, or something to the beginning of their all their big comic book films. "What more Batman check out this story of an aging Batman coming out of retirment... blah, blah, blah." Maybe not motion comics, actually please no, NOT motion comics, but a synopsis or two about some cool stories, with some pictures and where to find them.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Frank Quitely=Quite Frankly

    by nofate

    ha ha, clever *sigh*

  • July 8, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Where STARMAN fell apart for me:

    by SleazyG.

    All that stupid-ass outer space shit that lasted like a year. God, it was awful.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    douche - Wednesday Comics

    by Series7

    Do you really think they are worth $4?

  • July 8, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Joenathan

    by Snookeroo

    Joenathan<br>That makes entirely too much sense, and it's far too simple. Get the hell out of here with that kind of crazy talk.<br><br>Series7<br>I'm assuming DC paid a fair coin to have the series inserted into USA today.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Comic trailers

    by Series7

    They should remake those cheesy READ! posters from the 90's. You remember they were in the library, they had famous actors reading a book and it said read (i think Morgan Freeman did one). They should do new ones with the stars of the new movies (Morgan Freeman again) and put them in Movie theaters, saying read comics.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    WEDNESDAY COMICS

    by Series7

    The only comic I'll read printed on newspaper is Dilbert, for free.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Marvel Divas

    by Homer Sexual

    Totally deceptive marketing, lots of questionable decisions made, yet....I liked it. <p> A Campbell sexpot cover, but an edgy, not sexy art style inside? What a bait and switch. <p> Firestar and Captain Marvel don't fit with Black Cat and Hellcat, but at least they are getting some exposure, which they weren't before. I have always loved Monica Rambeau, and am glad to see her here. Firestar is here as a plot device. <p> While I found the entire comic very entertaining, it's hard for me to imagine it being a success. The T&A crowd, of which I am a member, would prefer "Marvel Kitties" with Tigra and someone else, White Tiger or whoever, getting all sexy and ridiculous. The fleshed-out-female character fans, which I also am, are probably not hugely represented in the comic buying public. <p> I actually think if Deodato or Hughes or someone like that were drawing it, this book would do well. Must. Have. Sexy. Art. The sexy art would turn off actual women, but how many of them really buy comics, we all ask?

  • July 8, 2009, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Series - Wednesday Comics.

    by optimous_douche

    When Didio asked me at Wizard World what I think of a Magog comic I said I never shit on a piece until I read it.<p> I'm going to hold true to that. When I get home this afternoon, I'll decide if it was worth it.<p> I mean from a paper quality -- big fuck no. This was how they justified the price hikes back in the 90s. Now we have reverted to something worse but we are paying more.<p> hey, me thinks I have an intro now for next week

  • July 8, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Snookeroo

    by Series7

    Probably, but you think with all the hoopla about comic book movies these past couple of years you think they'd have some sort of comic book/graphic novel section.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Frank Quitely=Quite Frankly

    by Joenathan

    Yes, apparently this is where his artist's name came from, but here's the thing... Whats the joke? How is it "clever?" I mean, I don't think its stupid or anything, I just don't understand why everytime someone mentions this, people go: "Oh... ha,hah, clever..." Why? Why is it clever? Is this just a joke that NO ONE actually gets, but that everyone PRETENDS to? Someone please explain it to me.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Speaking of comic sales

    by Series7

    Is there any sort of tracking system for that? Like a top ten bestselling comics of the week? Some sort of Neilsen rating? Box office Mojo?

  • July 8, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Marvel Divas/Gotham Sirens

    by Series7

    Artest. Please go review the whole Wonderland series (and pretty much everything else) over at Zenescope Entertainment before you put pen to paper on issues two. <P> Since I don't think you are trying to create strong female archetypes to atract more female readers with these titles, then with such bad art I wonder why bother doing them at all?

  • July 8, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Anyone seen this contest over at CBR?

    by Series7

    You could get killed in a issue of Berserker, that would be pretty cool. <P> http://tinyurl.com/mrd8sv

  • July 8, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Homer

    by Joenathan

    I'd be a fan of MArvel Divas, if it was a well written character piece of the ladies living and dating and tra-la-la-ing in the city and occasionally fighting villians and/or monsters. I'm a big fan of Blue Monday and Scott Pilgrim, it can be done and done really well, but from my perusal, it looks like a shallow knock off of exactly what you'd expect: <br><br>"Oh shoes are awesome! <br><br>"Oh boys, are mean!"<br><br>"blah, blah, blah FASHION!"<br><br>Yawn. No tits and no depth? whats the point? Who is the market?

  • July 8, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Artist*

    by Series7

  • July 8, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The Horns of Nimon isn't ass

    by Meglos

    It may have ridiculous costumes, a lead villain who's so over the top, and a Tom Baker who's ad-libbing every other line, but its still more entertaining than some of new Who, including "Rose". Watch it again. With a box of wine.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Sirens Vs. Divas

    by Homer Sexual

    Both sexy books with sexy ladies, but otherwise very different. <p> Ivy and Harley have a long-standing ambiguous relationship most of us love. Catwoman has been a third wheel for a while. The whole thing totally makes sense, but needs better art. <p> Divas is just a gimmick, albeit one that entertained me, throwing together some random women. But that is kind of how lots of team books start. So I'll check out a few issues.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Divas

    by Joenathan

    I like the idea of the everday lives of the "Also rans" and D-lister superheros. Maybe its like a TMZ or something and I just want them to talk about the time Thor farted in the Quinjet and they had to throw their costume away. I just think Diva needs a writer with a stronger voice in order to succeed.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Squashua you're insane

    by StrokerX

    The Luna Brothers are GODS! C'mon...The Sword is my #1 book every month. I even got my roommate into it. He gets cised everytime I go to the comic store thinkin i'll come back with The Sword or No Hero...he's also digging Old Man Logan.<p> I'll admit there are some talky parts in Girls...but overall their shit is great.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    And is Reborn just Slaughterhouse Five?

    by StrokerX

    I remember something about being unstuck in time....war...somethin.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Goosedud

    by optimous_douche

    Subtitles might be right, I was just recounting what I heard/read.<p> Since I do work in corporate branding though the rationale is pretty sound.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    FUCK CAPTAIN AMERICA REBORN

    by DrMorbius

    FUCK THAT AND FUCK MARVEL TOO!!<P>Does anyone remember Captain America White? Supposed to be a 6 issue series by Loeb and Sale.<P>Number 0 came out, I dunno, like a year ago, so I'm predicting it will be completed in 2014!<P>FUCK YOU MARVEL, you killed Spiderman with that BRAND NEW DAY SHIT, and now this!<P>FUCK OFF AND DIE, no more money from me, except CA White, if it ever comes out again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 8, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Wait--

    by Laserhead

    did you just say a Loeb-scripted book would make you buy Marvel again?<p>Your priorities might be in the wrong place, my friend.

  • July 8, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Apparently they were........

    by DrMorbius

  • July 8, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Snookeroo

    Comic book sales:<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/n9fbkj

  • July 8, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Captain America: Reborn = Slaughterhouse Five

    by LaserPants

    Unstuck in time! Will he also experience the bombing of Dresden and some outer space conundrums? I fucking hope so!

  • July 8, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Snookeroo

    by Series7

    Thanks man thats a cool site.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I'm reading Slaughterhouse 5 atm

    by OGoncho

    Nice coincidence, but that review still made no goddamn sense to me.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Vonnegut pissed me off...

    by Dingleberry Jones

    after he tried to rip off Thornton Mellon on that paper he wrote for him.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Subtitlesoff, Starman Art

    by gooseud

    Yeah Sub, thats when 80% of the people I've talked to think Starman went instantly off the rails, when Tony Harris left...... which Robinson, based on his comments in the Omnibus's, is STILL bitter about, against all odds. "FUCK Tony Harris!!! He was never important!!! I'm the genius, dammit!! ME!! ME!!!"

  • July 8, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Just me..?

    by fletch93

    Is it just me or does that Anna Mercury cover look like a rip-off of Joseph M. Linsner's Dawn?? If not its trying really hard to be.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Wait what?

    by gooseud

    Is that comment a few lines up supposed to read "I'm reading Slaughterhouse ass to mouth"? If so, either you've been reading too much Herogasm or there is an interesting story to be told here.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Damn

    by Series7

    Didn't realize that Flash Rebirth was so popular.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Green Lantern, we hardly knew ye

    by gooseud

    So the final chapter of the prelude to Blackest Night comes out.....in a comic which has recieved orgasmic critical reviews......and by all accounts kicks ass......and no one cares. Remember when you couldnt come in this talkback for a year straight without every other comment being about Sinestro Corps? What happened? Did myself and Joe's light hearted yet sincere boxing gloves comments chase off the GL fans? Is no one reading it anymore? Did they wait too long to kick off Blackest Night, or maybe they didnt wait long enough? Event fatigue? Anyone? The fact that we could be this far into the talkback and not have a single comment (its true, not even one) posted about a GL Corps review is surprising to say the least.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    STOP!

    by BERSERKR

    Not reviewing Thor books, they come out once every two months for gosh dern sakes the least you could do is review it when it does, considering its Marvels best book. And especially considering JMS will soon be leaving it.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Ass to mouth?

    by Joenathan

    That must be a REALLY crappy book...

  • July 8, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    The Boys

    by gooseud

    For those who don't know in the talkback, I work in running estate sales and have the opportunity pretty regularly to buy up big chunks of comics for pennies on the dollar (thus me randomly reading the entire run of the god-awful Initiative book, for example).....so based on a recent buy, I'm conducting an experiment: I'm going to read The Boys front to back. Yep, all 29 issues. Why, you ask? To see if it sucks as much as I think it does. I do this so you all dont have to. No need to thank me. After I finish The Boys, it'll be time for.......drum roll please.....Planetary, front to back. I want to see if Planetary's issue to issue coherence is as utterly unintelligible as I remember it to be.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Joe

    by gooseud

    Dont give Ennis any ideas.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Goose

    by Joenathan

    I made direct fun of GL in the last talkback and there wasn't a single taker. Not one. I think everyone has tasted the rainbow, at this point, and found it lacking. An how could they not? This story has been building for over 15 years or so now.<br><br>Also, boxing gloves? come on.

  • July 8, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Goose Part deux

    by Joenathan

    Reading Boys front to back? ...good luck. I bet you can't do it. By issue four you will have rolled your eyes so much they will have come loose and fallen out.<br><br>As for Planetary... I love that book, so mark my words: If you do not love it, prepare yourself for ENDLESS debating! You have been warned.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    I hope

    by Joenathan

    everyone read my Planetary warning in the voice style of the Monarch... for full effect.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Damn

    by Series7

    Marvel has had the number one comic since Jan 07 until April 09. The last company to have a number one comic outside of DC or Marvel was Image with Masters of the Universe in Nov 02.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    He-Man!??!

    by Joenathan

    He-man had a number one comic?

  • July 8, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Venture Bros is back in September?

    by Laserhead

    I thought we had to wait till November, maybe even 2010?

  • July 8, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Green Lantern

    by Series7

    Does not interest me.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    All my posts

    by Joenathan

    are intended to be read in the style of th Monarch. Go ahead, try and you will see the truth... oh yes... you will see the truth.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Goose & Joenathan

    by Mr.FTW

    Like someone else said, when Blackest Night hits it will probably consume the talkback.<p>As far as your jokes, I think you went to the well one too many times. You'll have to come up with some new material, green boxing gloves just won't cut it anymore. Maybe you should jump on the green folding chair that will be making its appearence in the up coming GL animated movie.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Late to the party, so I'll start with DIVAS

    by Continentalop

    God that looks like crap. Number one reason - having people act out of character. I hate that in a comic book, just so you can go stick with your high concept idea of "Sex in the CIty" for super-heroes. You throw Special Agent Scully into "SAC" and she isn't going to act like those twats - hell, she'll leave even before she finishes her martini. <p> And Monica Rambeau is the most fucked over character in Marvel comics. Once leader of the Avengers and arguably it's most powerful member, she has since been a parody of herself on Nextwave and Divas. Man, is this how to treat a Roger Stern & John Romita Jr. creation? Give her back her old powers and code name Captain Marvel already. <p> I hate to use offensive language, but the only reason she feel to the wayside and had the name Captain Marvel stripped from her is a bunch of loser fanboys, editors and writers in the late 80's and 90's couldn't handle a "nigger-cunt" being the caretaker of that esteemed name. Hopefully we have grown up enough to handle it now.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    New material?

    by Joenathan

    Tell that to Green Lantern... green boxing gloves won't cut it indeed

  • July 8, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Morrison and Quitely's NEW X-MEN

    by Prof_Ender

    Was garbage.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Hey! HEY!

    by Joenathan

    Nextwave was awesome

  • July 8, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Certainly that's why I wanted her stripped of the title

    by Laserhead

    of Captain Marvel. Though I'd never use such language.<p>And I say all this an African-American wife and mother.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    AS an African-American wife and mother, I mean

    by Laserhead

  • July 8, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    No Subtitles, you joke died

    by Joenathan

    Its Black Lantern Joke

  • July 8, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Planetary

    by Continentalop

    I agree Joe, great comic except for one thing for me - the damn Zero-Town. I hated how they had it be an American concentration camp for 50's commie types. <p> Yes, I know about the Black List. And I know about the Tuskegee experiments. But God am I sick of these ridiculous Nazi-like experiments the have the American government perform in comic books. America has made some mistakes, lots of mistakes, but believe me when never have done anything as remotely as bad as that in the last century. <p> The Boys, however, is absolute shit. I ripped on Millar last week, but Ennis annoys me just as much. Both are "Batman ass-raped in prison" kind of guys.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Morrison's X-men = garbage?

    by Joenathan

    Bah! Thats all I have to say to that! Bah!

  • July 8, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    No love for Snejbjerg?

    by bottleimp

    In some ways I like Peter Snejbjerg's art on the latter portion of STARMAN better than Harris'-- including the space arc. Snejbjerg's slightly catooney Eisner-esque designs gave the series a little boost of energy that I found lacking in a lot of Tony Harris' obviously-copied-from-photo-reference drawings.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Joenathan

    Well, there were the Japanese American Internment camps and while, sure, they didn't experiment on anyone, certainly the stripping of their constiutionally gaurunteed rights is just as bad. I mean, those rights are what makes America, america.<br><br>Also, a lot of those Nazi scientists were brought to America after the war and had their work financed by the governement.<br><br>Either way, though, I think Science City Zero was more Randall Dowling than U.S. Government and HE was at least evil, right?

  • July 8, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I got no problem with Snejberg, actually

    by Laserhead

    It's just around this point that the main character and the writing become really, really annoying for me.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    You're right Suntitles_Off

    by Continentalop

    I should used the ** approach for half the letters, especially the vowels or double consonants . Like A**h*l*. My apologies.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    One thing I did not much like in Planetary

    by Laserhead

    The last issue-- the way to beat Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Woman, the intricately laid master plan, was to drop them into a big hole? That fucks them up? Really? Hah! Surprise! I made a giant earth god rise up and create a crater into which you drop! I mean, a couple hundred ways they could have gotten out of that sprang to mind, and it really dampened their menace to me. They'd been portrayed as these untouchable masterminds, and, yeesh, that's the endgame?

  • July 8, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    What?

    by Joenathan

    Excuse me, but Batman is a Pitcher, not a Catcher! Come on!

  • July 8, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Laserhead

    by Joenathan

    They were returned to their Master, who I can onl assume did the actual fucking up, since he was basically Darkseid. Besides, even if you didn't like that one, the one between Jaquita and John Stone was pretty bad ass.<br><br> Plus, there's one more issue coming.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Hey, I still liked Planetary Joe

    by Continentalop

    But it definitely had that left-wing British "American Government is evil" vibe to it. <p> And remember, Randall Dowling was working for the US Government back then. Artemis was a government project. <p> As for the Nazi scientist being brought back to the US, I think that is something people exaggerate as some horrible sin we did. Yes, we brought back Nazi scientist - what were we supposed to do? Try them while the Russians where assembly a bunch themselves to be used to develop weapons? People seem to forget we lost hundred of thousands of lives in WWII, I can imagine our government saying we are going out of our way to make sure we have a leg up if we have to have another war.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Joe

    by Laserhead

    They were fucked up BEFORE they were returned to the Darkseid-guy. At least on panel, it looks like they're falling out of a portal and they're already fucked up. Which means, again, dropping them in a big hole won the day.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Nope Subtitles_Off

    by Continentalop

    I was just giving an example. I'll wait until you do something worthy before I call you an asshole.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Joenathan

    As for the Nazi scientist being brought back to the US, I think "that is something people exaggerate as some horrible sin we did. Yes, we brought back Nazi scientist - what were we supposed to do?" -- exactly... there's the rationale for the sin... I'm not saying that we were nessecarily wrong or that the potential good/benefits outweighed the bad/moral responsibility, I'm just saying... there's the beginning of the slippery slope that ends up in Testing out Invisibility potions on prisoners, homos, and commies...

  • July 8, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Laserhead

    by Joenathan

    It was a 50 mile deep hole from a shift ship, so maybe because it was a really big hole...?

  • July 8, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I bet there were some sharp rocks too...

    by Joenathan

    at the bottom of that hole. Plus, I bet their knees were scraped to shit.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Everybody hates Robin

    by Continentalop

    And I got to admit, I prefer Batman without Robin. But to be honest, Robin makes Batman. Without Robin, especially in the Golden Age, Batman would never have stuck out as much as he did. When he first appeared, Batman was just rip off of the Shadow, the Spider, the Gray Seal and about a dozen other pulp heroes. Robin made Batman into an actual "Super-Hero". <p> Of course, nowadays we are not buried under Pulp style vigilantes so we would like Batman to fill that void. But truthfully Batman AND Robin have been on the comic book scene longer than just Batman has.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    big hole

    by Laserhead

    The invisible analog can project force-fields. Dowling can stretch.<p>Not that we need to belabor the point.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    But we never did experiment on them

    by Continentalop

    Despite taking Nazi scientist, we still never did carry out Nazi-like experiments on prisoners and undesirables. I guess we hosed off some of the grease off of that slope. <p> Best human experiment in comics = Luke Cage. I can easily see us using volunteers from prison.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Did AICN just get hit with a Korean virus-bomb?

    by Laserhead

    Anybody else keep getting re-directed to an installation site?

  • July 8, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Laserhead

    by Joenathan

    The scene was ghost written by Slott, so they were talking about using their powers the whole down and ended up chatting too long, so... splat

  • July 8, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Redirected

    by Joenathan

    me too. It goes away after a bit

  • July 8, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Dowling can stretch...his mind.

    by Continentalop

    He can lay "mind-control eggs" in other people's minds. Not literal eggs, but that is how they described his mind control.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Joenathan

    We never experimented on them...that we know of... du, du, DUH!

  • July 8, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I never quite got that Dowling power

    by Joenathan

    and I don't think Ellis did either, since he never really did anything with it.

  • July 8, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Who hates Robin?

    by Mr.FTW

    Unless you are talking about Damien then I have to say, yeah I hate him.

  • July 8, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Subtitles, true

    by Continentalop

    But Batman without Robin is just The Shadow or The Spider. And those guys were first, so that would make Batman just a cheap knockoff without ol pixie boots.

  • July 8, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    I like Damien

    by Joenathan

    I wish he wasn't 10, because thats almost too hard to reconcile in my mind, but I enjoy him being a rude, know-it-all little bastard. Especially when played against Dick. Its good and it works, and its especially important because their dynamic needs to be different. It has to be, othewise what's really changed?

  • July 8, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    I don't like Robin

    by Laserhead

    The 'Batman is a douchebag' consensus derives from the way the character's been written since "The Dark Knight Returns"-- a paranoid, humorless prick with a one-note 'I am the night' characterization.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Batman should be a paranoid humorless prick

    by Joenathan

    He can't be happy, he should be mean and unrelenting in his puruit of total justice.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Damien being 10 is fuckin' retarded.

    by SleazyG.

    But then, so is the very existence of Damien, so...

  • July 8, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Damien

    by Mr.FTW

    My biggest problem with Damien is that he is a clone and therefore disposable. As soon as they bring Bruce back, when ever that will be, and they will do away with the character so he is pointless.<p>Plus the fact the Bruce already hads 3 sons, Dick, Jason and Tim each with their own intersting character dynamic again making Damien pointless.<p> The bestt hing I think they could have done with him was if Jason had become Batman (or possible shared the mantle with Dick) and Damien died on his watch. Putting Jason in that role reversal would have been interesting for that character than bieng crazy or being an asshole.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I'm not throwing him under the bus

    by Laserhead

    Not at all. I think Bruce Wayne's the greatest alter ego ever. I just hate that version of the character, and they did it with and without Robin for a long, long time.<p> I've come to realize I much, much prefer Batman as Sherlock Holmes+James Bond+The Shadow+Bruce Lee. Much more interesting than Dirty Harry in a bat outfit. Actually, I take that back. Harry Calahan had a sense of humor.<p>This is why I liked a lot of Morrison's Bruce Wayne work in his run.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Wow, mention Planetary

    by gooseud

    and the whole place goes berserk, BERSERK I TELL YOU! Heres my issue with Planetary: the individual issues, when taken individually, are genius. For example, say you give someone the Monster Island issue. Awesome. They would read it and be like, I love this book! These characters are awesome, I want to know more about them! Who are they, what are their goals? Why do they do what they do? What are their powers? Weaknesses? Etc? The problem is, most of that stuff never came. It was just Ellis throwing out awesome idea after awesome idea, with absolutely no connective tissue between issues. I felt (even more then Slott's Initiative) that I was only reading 70% of the story. Planetary literally feels like it is missing pages. That 70% kicks ass, but......we shall see, you get my Planetary review 2 weeks from now when I can refresh my memory on it by going front to back. Next week is The Boys. 3 weeks from now will probably be.....wait for it.......LOXG.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Damien clone

    by Laserhead

    NOBODY is clear on this point-- for a while, Son of the Demon was considered Elseworlds (a retroactive label). Then Morrison introduced Damien, but he was said to have been artificially created (or at least aged) in a laboratory, but THEN in #666, in a one page re-cap of Damien's origin, it shows Batman and Talia fucking (or getting ready to) and seems to say that he was conceived naturally.<p>I don't think anybody at DC knows exactly how Damien was made.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    The Secret Origin of Dick Grayson and Robin

    by Continentalop

    Bruce Waynes parents died when he was nine. Since then he has wondered the world studying science, forensics, martial arts, detective work, disguise…and acrobatics. <p> When Bruce Wayne was 16 he joined up with a circus under an alias so he could learn acrobatics. While there he met a young girl named Mary, who was about two-years older than Bruce and was just starting out as a circus arcobat as well. She had a boyfriend already, another circus acrobat named John Grayson. Despite that, she and Bruce became friends and soon lovers. However, she became pregnant and told Bruce about this. Bruce realized there was only one thing to do…and that was slip away in the middle of the night. She didn’t know his real name and would have no way of tracking him down, and Bruce wasn’t going to give up his war on crime because of some circus floozy. <p> Confused and scared, Mary convinced her boyfriend John that he was the father. John believed her and the two go married. Nine months later Richard Grayson was born. <p> 8 years passed, and Bruce Wayne was now in Gotham fighting crime as Batman. But something was wrong. He had dedicated his whole life to this goal and now felt empty. He felt alone. <P> As fate would have it, as he was feeling down he passed a poster advertising Haley’s Circus and showing the star attractions, “The Flying Graysons.” Bruce Wayne instantly recognized Mary and John, but the young boy caused him to take a step back. The boy in the poster looked just like Bruce Wayne did about the time his parents were murdered. <p> Being a detective, Bruce Wayne did some research and discovered that Richard was 8 years off. Being good at math Wayne deduced who his real father was and made a surprise visit to Mary. She was shocked at seeing her ex-lover appear out of the blue, and even more shocked when he revealed that his real name was Bruce Wayne, famous Gotham millionaire, and that he knew he was Dick’s father. Bruce told Mary that he wanted the young man to live with him, but Mary refused and told Bruce that would happen over her dead body. <p> “Fine” thought Bruce. That night he went to the Circus big top and coated the trapeze ropes with acid. The next day, during Mary and John’s big finale, the ropes broke and the two plummeted to their death. <p> Knowing that Boss Zucco’s men had already made threats against the circus. Batman used the murder to frame him for this crime and then approaches Dick Grayson, offering him a chance at revenge. Dick readily accepts, and becomes Batman’s sidekick in the process, wearing an old costume that Bruce Wayne once wore. <p> Now Batman lives out his fantasy life – fighting crime but also resuming his relationship with his father. Batman, however, fills the role of his father, even wearing a costume that resembles the one his father once wore for Halloween, and Robin plays the part of a young Bruce Wayne living care-free and happy. And when Dick Grayson got to old, Bruce Wayne discarded him and found another surrogate son (notice they all resemble each other, and all look like a young Bruce Wayne) for him to continually live out this fantasy with.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Batman can have fun

    by Laserhead

    Pre '84 he was quite the wit. And he swam in pussy all through the 70s.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by Mr.FTW

    Damien was grown in a tank and is not the same character from the Son of the Demon story.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Green Lantern #43

    by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI

    Just read it after getting back from my LCS... If this is just the prelude issue to Blackest Night, color me excited. Because that was pretty damn spectacular. I never knew Black Hand could be such a badass.

  • July 8, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Goose! You are wrong!

    by Joenathan

    Everyone's motivations and backstory was told. dilettante!

  • July 8, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Mr.FTW

    Did you find that Batman and Robin origin at Frank Miller's house?

  • July 8, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    What would have made R.I.P. work

    by Laserhead

    and brought Morrison's whole run into focus would have been to include pages from the original stories he was referencing, maybe re-doing the dialogue, but sprinkle the actual pages into the story as flashbacks, like Alan Moore in Supreme. Instead all those stories are collected a year after the fact in a book called 'The Black Casebook', and the stories are of course terrible, and there's no real reason to revisit them other than in bits and pieces to add depth and coherence to Morrison's run. But it should have been done during the run itself.

  • July 8, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    I liked Morrison's Bruce Wayne, too

    by Laserhead

    He was lighter and getting laid again. Fucking a woman he KNEW was waiting to betray him to this organization called 'The Black Glove.'

  • July 8, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I am LOVING all the James Robinson stuff lately.

    by Hercules

    That last issue (of "Superman"?) with Mon-El zipping around the world exploring all those obscure corners of the DC universe was adorable! <p> Much love also to Morrison's work on Batman. Nice to see DC's most important ongoing titles in the hands of truly great writers for a change.

  • July 8, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    The prose Joker story did suck

    by Laserhead

    Mostly due to Morrison's really horrible prose, but if it had been a scripted book, it would have been great. I like R.I.P. I think the only thing wrong with it were the expectations created beforehand; it's a cool story with great action, though the ending could have used a definitive reveal of the villain's identity (but I've read that's on the way in Batman and Robin).

  • July 8, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    I'm glad Herc is here

    by Laserhead

    and I don't want to attack his opinion of Robinson...<p>so... I'm<p>...gonna...<p>resist...

  • July 8, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Laserhead, just to give you a little more ammunition

    by Hercules

    I thought the storyline with Krypto and Atlas genius.

  • July 8, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Did I already mention

    by DrMorbius

    FUCK MARVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 8, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Series7 - Diamond Distributors has a sales list

    by FeralAngel

    Latest one is for May. Here's the link: http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2009/2009-05.html

  • July 8, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    first appearanc eof Howard the Duck

    by Rupee88

    Giant Size Man-Thing #4 not proud that I know that but not ashamed either

  • July 8, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Stop fucking around

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    is Steve back or what?

  • July 8, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Slaughter House Five quotes? Wtf??

    by Bootskin

    Seriously man. The Cap appearance doesn't "cheapen" anything. He's living through all these different scenarios throughout time, that either did or did not happen. That's the point of him being there in that one part of the book. Becoming "unstuck" in time is placing him in places ha hadn't been before. If it was a "What-if?" book, would you cry then? Stop trying to be clever in your reviews, and whining like your vagina hurts.

  • July 8, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    damian > jason

    by sonnyhooper

    sure they are both assholes and at first glance, damian and jason SEEM like the same character, but beneath the surface is a world of difference. jason was an asshole in that street punk, wanna be tough guy, "i-know-it-all-cuz-im-from-da-hood" way. <p> damian is an asshole in that, harvard legacy, trust fund, "do-you-know-who-my-dad-is" way. to me that makes all the difference, because how else would you expect batmans kid to act? it's like getting a caricature of "dark knight batman" in child form. it's almost like morrison is making fun of millers bullshit with damian.

  • July 8, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    morrison and quitely

    by xsi kal

    I am, apparently, the one person in the world who doesn't like either of these two. <br><br> Sure makes it easy to avoid a book when the two of them stick together though.

  • July 8, 2009, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Stone's Throw Captain America Review =

    by DS9Sisko

    Most Incomprehensible Review of the Last Decade. Reviews should make some kind of sense instead of exercises in long form, stream of consciousness, experimental maxi-haiku.

  • July 9, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST

    A quick note to laserhead from -- DOOM!

    by V. von Doom

    RE Black Widow: Using English characters, "Natalia" or "Natalie" (pronounced na-ta-li-eh in both instances) is the proper name in Russian, and "Natasha" is the diminutive. DOOM has mastered little Russian but had a colleague (in Latveria) with this name and is in a position to know.

  • July 9, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Damian being such a smartass

    by the milf lover

    is almost like he's a kid on a sitcom, saying smartass/funny stuff that no regular 10 year old kid could think of in real life. <p> Which ironically is one of the things I'm enjoying in Batman And Robin, the little bastard telling Dick and Alfred about how they're not professionals like his daddy. The rest of it isnt bad but nothing special, so I'm done as soon as Quitely is. <p> And if Damian really is a clone of some kind, then that is complete bullshit.

  • July 9, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Continentalop, your Batman origin is genially twisted ...

    by V. von Doom

    ... ever sent a spec script to DC?

  • July 9, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    NEXTWAVE was awesome

    by the milf lover

    on every level and one of my favorite comics in years. Monica Rambeau was a total badass in it, and despite her being a bitch I didnt find her to be out of character. <p> I dont know about this Divas book, they seem to have thrown random girls together for gimmick's sake.

  • July 9, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Wenesday Comics

    by Series7

    Well I didn't realize that USA today is a fucking $1. But flipping through it at the LCS I did not find it worthy of $4, especially since my shop had a similar thing with old ass funny comics (like Popeye) for only a $1. <P> Though I hear Aquaman will team up with Hawkman at some point. If that tickles anyone's balls.

  • July 9, 2009, 2:44 a.m. CST

    So much hate.

    by Deathpool

    Man, my mind is blown. You guys have pretty much name checked some of my favorite books ever and then proceeded to rip them all to shreds in Planetary and Starman. I even really enjoy The Boys, but I've always been an Ennis fan from Preacher and Hitman, and I think most have a love/hate relationship with his work. I've never tried any of his War comics though, which I've heard are fantastic.

  • July 9, 2009, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Should I withdraw my 'Geek Card'?

    by The Dum Guy

    I admit that the only comics I've read have been (bean?) written(again ?) years ago... I've most recently (I don't spell check) the Preacher series, and prior to that it was the first in the Dark Tower series (already read the books in novel form) comics.<br><br>I haven't read the new series in the DT-series(should I?)<br><br>I only ask because most of the things I read are much cheaper than comics.

  • July 9, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Greek Street

    by hst666

    Would be a classy name for an anal-themed porn series. Classsy.

  • July 9, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Soony -- Damn Nice Analysis

    by optimous_douche

    On the differences between Damian and Jason. I agree 100%.<p> The point I was trying to make in my review is that Douche Robins, no matter where it stems from seem to be short lived. Although this is only the second so perhaps I'll be proved wrong, but I don't think so.<p> Dick and Tim were around for so long becasue they embody the virtues of the super hero mythos.<p> Again though, time will tell.

  • July 9, 2009, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Thanks Doom.

    by Laserhead

    That was really bugging me.

  • July 9, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    ContinentalOp

    by hst666

    The Tuskegee experiment was not that bad? How about the radiation tests performed primarily on the elderly and menatlly challenged as well as innocent communities in Nevada? How about dosing people with LSD without their knowledge in early brainwashing experiments?<p><p> Our government did all those things and they all came out in government records! Imagine what has not come out, what was illegally destroyed or shredded before reaching the public.<p><p>One more thing - look up Operation Northwoods. I am not one of these Loose change 9/11 conspiracy nuts, but it's not like the ideas haven't been seriously considered in the past.

  • July 9, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Great Cap Review/Why I Like Luna Bros,etc

    by Buzz Maverik

    Stones, don't listen to anyone who has problems with your review. If I'm gonna read a review of the comic, I appreciate it when it entertains me more than "The story was good, the art sucked, everyone talked and there was a fight scene.."<p>I like the Luna Brothers because I wrote a negative review of ULTRA but admired their design skills and I got quoted on the cover of the trade with the one positive thing I had to say about the book.<p>I'm with Joe on the DIVAS deal. Who are we trying to kid here? Without the t&a, who but the most brainwashed would read this? Captain Marvel was the leader of the AVENGERS? I always sorta hated what Dan Slott has called Avengery Avengers (he likes 'em). I like the A list.<p>PLANETARY? City Zero was my favorite story. Forget real conspirary (which probably isn't all that real...I mean, try to get five people to agree on what movie to see next Friday night and see how impossible it would be to mount a massive conspiracy)it was a great warped twist on a pop culture phenomenon. Ellis and Hitch should get paid for MONSTERS VS. ALIENS. No City Zero, no MVA.

  • July 9, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Liked City 0 In Planetary, But...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...I had more problems with the concept of The Four. At first, it was a brilliant, warped take on the FF that asked the question:"If Reed Richards can invent the Negatron Hyper-Transbaymorpher, why can't he cure cancer?"<p>I liked Ellis' answer in PLANETARY: Because he's a monster...but as usual, the problem is the fans, which is the one thing John Byrne has been right about in decades. The Fans try to apply to Four concept to the FF and let's all scream together:"IT'S THE FANTASTIC FOUR! THAT'S LIKE LOOKING FOR HIDDEN MEANINGS IN THE LYRICS OF THE MONKEES. IT'S THE MONKEES!"

  • July 9, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Buzz! & Some Linear Thoughts on BATMAN & ROBIN #2

    by stones_throw

    And thanks also to Rev Skarekroe for adding the finishing touches. Anyway, for those who are so desperate to read my thoughts on a comic book laid out in a more conservative fashion, here's what I have to say about BATMAN AND ROBIN #2:<p>It was nice to see the return of the "big figure" to BATMAN covers. This used to be a staple of title pages (though seemingly not covers) and I liked Quitely's revisiting of the style. Here's some examples from the past: <br>http://tinyurl.com/lkntnd Giant Catwoman!<br>http://tinyurl.com/mw6xgl Giant Batman!<br> http://tinyurl.com/nkou8o Giant Pied Piper of Peril!<br> http://tinyurl.com/m9jrf5 Giant Red Hood!<br>http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=11842&zoom=4 Another giant Batman!<p>The "Circus of the Strange" is rather similar to Marvel's Circus of Crime.<p>Frank Quitely drew an amazing comic book action sequence. He didn't just illustrate a script, his art actually pulled you through the fight, just like Gil Kane or Neal Adams would'a drawn.<p>After Quitely's designs for the Circus characters, Pyg/Pig seems like a much less interesting villain.<p>Robin being a ten year old doesn't bother me. It's dumb, but so are bat costumes in the first place.<p>Morrison's conclusion is rather too reminiscent of THE KILLING JOKE. An abandoned fairground at night, a grotesque villain, a member of the Bat-family in peril, and Batman driving to the rescue? I still think it just about works, but so much for Morrison's coveted originality.<p>Whose head is exploding on the penultimate page?<p>Umm ... that's it. Clear, easy to understand, and guaranteed to cause neither physical pain nor aneurysms!

  • July 9, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Captain Marvel (not Billy Batson or Rick Jones)

    by stones_throw

    As I understand it, Stern wanted her to become leader but Marvel disagreed and wanted a more A-list team. Stern quit the book and was replaced with Walt Simonson, who in a classic Marvel fudge was forced to use U.S. Agent and the Fantastic Four as his Avengers team.

  • July 9, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Stern on the Avengers...

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

    along with Buscema and Palmer was some of the greatest issues ever. Bad move on Marvel.

  • July 9, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    hst666

    by Joenathan

    Operation Northwoods. I bet thats where they got the idea for Long Kiss Goodnight, my favorite Geena Davis movie.

  • July 9, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Planetary

    by Joenathan

    I'm just hoping that this last issue of Planetary is actually a gate way to a new dimensional exploration/shift ship series with the cast of planetary hoping from universe to universe.... oh, please, oh, please, oh, please.

  • July 9, 2009, 10:06 a.m. CST

    TheDumGuy

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    <p>You should read the rest of the Dark Tower comics that you haven't gotten around to yet--I'm assuming that you've read the 1st run (Gunslinger Born), but haven't read "The Long Road Home," "Treachery," and "The Fall of Gilead." In which case you probably should.</p> <p>Not to say that all the aforementioned comics are great--I think they're just average and okay. But hell, it's Dark Tower stuff, so it's much more entertaining than a lot of the derivative, trite superhero stuff that's usually on the market nowadays.</p>

  • July 9, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    They put up artwork

    by Joenathan

    I'm not sure what the hold up was, but I think its scheduled for September or October, I don't know.

  • July 9, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The A-List

    by Homer Sexual

    Buzz's comments are very interesting, as was the reason that Roger Stern got forced off Avengers. <p> I am kind of the opposite of Buzz. I hate teams made up of A-listers most of the time. For several reasons. <p> Numero Uno is overexposure. I can't believe people really like reading so very many books with Wolverine, Spider-Man, Superman, etc. I find those characters overdone and boring. My only caveat is that I do like Wolverine IN HIS OWN BOOK AND X-MEN, but nooo...there have to be multiple versions of his solo title and multiple team books. Which leads me to... <p> Reason the Second: We all know not to use "logic" in comics,but still I believe there should be some internal comic-book sense. Wolverine is on three different teams (if not more) as well as a plethora of solo stuff. How does this work? How can he be in X-Men and Avengers at the same time (let's leave X Force out of it for now). <p> Third reason: I can't relate to the big guns. I am not a Super-Man or a Peter Parker, much less a Logan, so who do I relate to? <p> Fourth reason: Characters who are interesting but can't support their own books get exposure in team books. When the "second tier" characters are in team books with the big guns, they tend to be overshadowed. Hawkgirl was in JLA for years with no focus, no development, no nothing. <p> What I will say for the modern team books is that they at least mix it up. So as much as I hate having Spider-Man and ESPECIALLY Wolverine in the Avengers, I still pick up the book because I get to read about Spider-Woman and Luke Cage. <p> Everyone loved Morrison's JLA, which except for Aztek was totally A-List,but that run left me cold. Probably my least favorit Morrison work ever (except SeaGuy).

  • July 9, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    hst666

    by Continentalop

    Hey, I admit all those things happened. But Tuskegee is far from Zero Town. Tuskegee they didn't treat people with syphilis, they didn't induce it or give it to them. Now I am not saying that alone isn't bad - it is fucking terrible - but it isn't Nazi/Stalin death camp level yet. <p> It's like the entire deal with Isiah Bradley, the "Black" Captain America. I can handle the idea of the government using black soldiers as volunteers for a dangerous new formula, but to then gun them all down afterwards? Even in the racist days of WWII that would be fucking hard to believe. In fact impossible to believe. <p> As for Operation Northwood, as I always tell people A) it wasn't carried out; and B) they couldn't even keep it secret. In fact, I don't even believe in Government conspiracies - why do they have to do anything in secret when they can do it right in front of us and have the American people back them up: Viet Nam, Iraq Invasion, Gitmo, Torture. The American people just turned a blind eye to that stuff.

  • July 9, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Subtitles, I'm a patriot

    by Continentalop

    Not a nationalist. Read Orwell's essay and it will explain the difference.

  • July 9, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    DC/Marvel A list

    by Joenathan

    Its strange, but I think non-A-list JLA teams blow... big time, but non-A-list Avengers teams works just fine and I wondered why that is. I thought about it and I realized, DC has way more Big Time Cosmic Threat type villians than Marvel and those DC baddies are constantly swinging by Earth, like they've all taken a fucking number or something. Marvel has, basically, Thanos and Galactus and neither one of them has really been seen in years. With DC, its every other week some universe destroying villian shows up, so DC needs a big gun team, where as the Avengers can mix it up with a through D listers, because they rarely have to face cosmic level villians... weird. Which might be indicitive of Marvel's more "street" level human/character focus type story-telling, where as DC is always been more interested in the masked God.<br><Br>That being said, I really like how the Avenger teams are set up now, even though I find Slott's writing on Mighty to be rather poopy.

  • July 9, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    DC/Marvel A-List

    by Continentalop

    I always thought that a nice mix between the two is always the best. My favorite JLA teams were the ones in the 70s where you would have a-listers like Batman, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman working with B-listers like Atom, Elongating Man, Red Tornado and Zatanna. Same thing with the Avengers: Stern had Captain America and Thor on teams with Captain Marvel, Black Knight, She-Hulk and Dr. Druid. <p>

  • July 9, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    optimous_douche

    by sonnyhooper

    i see your point about "douche-robins", i just wanted to clarify the difference between the two as i see it. but you are right, time will tell how it works out for damian. the deciding factor will be if other writers pick up on how morrison is writing him and match his tone. otherwise we probably will be getting another 900 "robin lives or dies" number in the near future.

  • July 9, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off re;miller vs. morrison

    by sonnyhooper

    well lets check the score card.... miller did DKR, Y1, DK2, and ASBARTBW. <p> morrison has done ARKHAM ASYLUM, GOTHIC from lotdk, the "bat-god" from JLA, R.I.P, the final crisis bat-death, and the current B&R run. to me, that puts morrison right up there with miller, o'neil, kane and finger as "guys that left their mark on batman". <p> just for the record, i don't HATE frank miller now. i even think DK2 and ASBARTBW work on a couple of levels. if nothing else, frank deserves love for giving us the catchphrase "i'm the goddamn batman!" <p> but here is the thing: back when i read DKR and Y1 the first time i too thought it was the be all, end all of batman stories. of course that was back in 1986 and i was 14 years old. my point being, that time has a way of making me see things differently as it goes by. sure i still think DKR and Y1 are classic tales, but i don't think they are the ONLY high water mark in terms of bat-stories told in the last 30 years.

  • July 9, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    The Stern team was great,

    by Joenathan

    but I've never enjoyed a JLA that wasn't the big seven.

  • July 9, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I've never enjoyed a JLA team that had

    by Continentalop

    Superman as a member. It's like watching movie about the Universal monsters - Dracula, Frankenstein's monster, The Mummy, The Wolfman - and suddenly you throw Godzilla in the mix. Talk about overshadowing everyone else.

  • July 9, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    You didn't like ANY of Morrison's run?

    by Joenathan

    crazy talk

  • July 9, 2009, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Miller v. Morrison

    by optimous_douche

    Really an apple and an orange at this point. Miller did his thing in the 80s and Morrison is the voice of the next generation. Seems more like a natural progression than a need for comparison.<p> It's like when people say the new Batman movies are so much better than the old Batman movies, well no shit, of course they are. And the movies of the 80s were infinitely better than the 60s TV show and movie.<P> But I guarantee we would not have the new Dark Knight films nor our new crop of writers without those paths first being forged.

  • July 9, 2009, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Morrisons JLA run...

    by sonnyhooper

    ....is flat out awesome. and the funny thing is, some of his best stuff on that title was done when he was stuck with electric blue superman. seriously, think about that...... the. guy. made. electric. blue. superman. cool. how do you do THAT?

  • July 9, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Impaler Review

    by williamharms

    If the awesome review of my book Impaler makes you at all interested in checking it out, please do. You can read the first issue for free at www.topcow.com/impaler

  • July 10, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Miller vs Morrison?!?

    by Laserhead

    Hey-- Morrison did his thing in the 80s, too. A little book called 'Animal Man', which in its quiet way also revolutionized comics, in the long run. Morrison is Miller's contemporary, not next-generation.<p>Anyway, comparing Miller to Morrison is like comparing a lobotomized dung-beetle to, I don't know, some supernatural entity that shines a light which makes you feel like you're getting drunk and receiving a blow-job at the same time.

  • July 10, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    B Listers, Even Among The B Listers

    by Buzz Maverik

    I love what Dr. Strange told Valkyrie when him, the Hulk, the Sub-Mariner and the Silver Surfer if she could join the DEFENDERS: "We are really not an organization so we can't be joined. Secondly, we are four of the most powerful beings on Earth and, no offense, but how could you add to that. And, finally, since you have no interest in men, you can't help convince the readers that we are heterosexual."<p>Actually, I think I may have added that last sentence myself.

  • July 10, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    I Left Out Some Words Again

    by Buzz Maverik

    "...what Dr. Strange told Valkyrie when SHE ASKED him, the Hulk, the Sub-Mariner and the Silver Surfer if she could join the DEFENDERS..."<p>All together now: "STUPID LACK OF EDIT FEATURE."

  • July 10, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    I'm Writing & Drawing Marvel's New Team...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...THE BLISTERS. See, they are all B-Listers and they know it and one of 'em gets drunk and calls 'em the Blisters and...

  • July 10, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I Hear You Laser

    by optimous_douche

    I don't know why, I just consider Miller and Morrison from two different periods of the "modern age". Even though as I just learned the guys are only three years apart in age.<p> Morrison was around in the 80s, but Miller truly changed things with DKR.<p> It just didn't feel as though Morrison received the same comic super star status until almost a decade later...just about the time Miller started to really fall from grace.

  • July 10, 2009, 7:37 p.m. CST

    A Serious House on Serious Earth....

    by sonnyhooper

    ....came out in what? 89? thats only 3 years after DKR. i know Arkham Asylum was well reviewed at the time but it didn't make as much noise as DKR. but if you go back a re-read them both, Arkham has aged a lot better imo. the advantage being, it's not weighed down by the politics and attitudes of the time period it was written.

  • July 11, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    "a serious house"

    by Laserhead

    That's a line from a Phillip Larkin poem, speaking about a church. A great poem.<p>Anyway, all you can say about Miller and Morrison in the 80s, is that Miller was working with the highest-profile hero, so of course his work was noticed by pop culture at large. Morrison was working on Animal Man and Doom Patrol-- and writing the motherfucking shit out of them. Those are two series which influenced an enormous amount of material in their wake. Once Miller leaves Batman, all his work starts sucking, and revealing the weaknesses and myopia that were always there, but in a much more glaring light. On the other hand, Morrison's rep has never waxed or waned (with the exception of the outcry about Final Crisis-- and look, we're all back to praising him with B&R). Morrison just worked on fringe superheroics outside the mainstream for his early career. But the first time Morrison made a stab at mainstream super-heroics, we got JLA. His JLA has influenced every team book that's come in its stead, and it defines the modern team book-- major powers versus apocalyptic scenarios with action/action/action. Ellis and Millar's Authority only exists on the shoulders of what Morrison did in JLA. Then he went to New X-Men and had one of the all-time great runs on that book. The whole time, Miller was drawing played-out chiascuro and his writing was devolving into a lamer and lamer imitation of bad-Mickey Spillane.<p>There's no contest here. At all.<p>A more valid competition would be Alan Moore vs Morrison.

  • July 11, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Miller vs. Morrison Also Doesn't Work...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...because of the art factor. With the original DARK KNIGHT, the power of Miller's artwork compensated for what few weaknesses his writing showed at the time. The blending of styles and timelines, the spooky Lynn Varley colors, the new characterizations of Batman, Superman and the Joker coming in through the images is something Morrison would be dependent of an artist to capture. It's the luck of the draw.<p>If you look at Miller's collaborations with David Mazzuchelli from the same era, although strong, worthy and beautiful, we can start to question Miller's judgment and taste in a few spots. I think they were already afraid to edit him. When we got into HARD BOILED, ELECTRA ASSASSIN, etc I started questioning that if it weren't Miller's name on the writing credit, would I like the writing?<p>Basically, after DKR, I already started wondering why anyone would want Frank Miller to just WRITE a comic?<p>What Miller brought to mainstream comics was that he was the first new guy in a long time who seemed to be influenced by more than mainstream superhero comics. Since then, guys like Bendis, Moore and Morrison have brought their outside interests into their writing for great effect but Miller had his love for film noir, for the pulps, for crime movies and fiction that we just didn't see at the time. If a guy wrote DAREDEVIL, chances are he'd just read a bunch of DAREDEVIL. Miller was sort of just doing the Spirit (Will Eisner's not Frank Miller's at the time) in his first DD run, but guys like me didn't know it at the time. His Batman had a lot of the Spider in it, sort of an aging Spider in a Clockwork Orange world...<p>Which brings us to why DKR is the most stunning of all Miller's writing (it's a matter of opinion what his best is, I say that his writing on DD was better than his Batman work). Anybody see the movie ALMOST FAMOUS? There's a scene where the teen journalist asks his first interview question of the rock start: "You had 26 years to create the music for you first album. How are you going to equal that in the 7 months before your next album is due?"<p>DKR had to have been a story Frank always wanted to tell, maybe from back in high school. After that, some of his stuff has been good but not as good. <p>So my Miller rule of thumb is that if he draws it, I'll check it out but if he writes it and someone else does the art (even if I like the artist)I don't waste my money.

  • July 14, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Miller changed DK half way thru

    by Star Hump

    So it wasn't a story he always wanted to tell, Buzz. When the Watchmen pages started coming in to DC, he altered DKR with issue 3. There's a glaring tonal shift halfway through. Miller was heavily influenced by Moore.

  • July 28, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Seriously, Who Taught Stones Throw How to Write???

    by Atkinson

    I mean, what the fuck! Review the fuckin' book, and stop jumping around Marvel Universe's timeline like you're motherfuckin' Dr. Manhattan!