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Mr. Beaks Comes Clean About His Flickchart Addiction! Interviews The Site's Founders!

Flickchart began its assault on my free time a little over a week ago when Cinemtical's Scott Weinberg touted it as "The Coolest Movie Site of the Year!" Since I implicitly trust Scott's rabid enthusiasm, I figured there was no harm in checking it out. Within fifteen minutes of logging in, I was hooked. Four hours later, I was obsessed. Now, nine days into my Flickchart odyssey, I am evangelical. Though pitched as a social-networking site that helps you locate like-minded movie buffs, Flickchart is essentially a barroom argument with one's own impeccable taste in cinema. Here's how it works: once you log in, you're presented with two randomly generated movie titles. Pick one. Then you get two more titles. Pick again. And so on until you've compiled something approaching a master list of your favorite movies. To avoid selecting from the same group of popular titles, you can filter by genre, decade or year. This is particularly helpful when a good-but-unworthy title ends up in your top twenty because it appeared early in your ranking process and keeps going head-to-head with atrocious competition (e.g. I couldn't knock THELMA & LOUISE off my all-time list until I focused on 1991 releases). Is the process flawless? Hardly. Consider my current top twenty: 1. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 2. CITIZEN KANE 3. JAWS 4. DIE HARD 5. THE GODFATHER PART II 6. MANHATTAN 7. CASABLANCA 8. NOTORIOUS 9. BULL DURHAM 10. THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING 11. MEMENTO 12. BACK TO THE FUTURE 13. ETERNAL SUNSHINE OF THE SPOTLESS MIND 14. SHADOW OF A DOUBT 15. 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 16. DO THE RIGHT THING 17. THE FLY (1986) 18. DUCK SOUP 19. BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA 20. JFK Not an awful list, but there are galling omissions. For starters, there's no Hawks, no Lubitsch, no Ozu, no De Palma and only one Welles. This is problematic because those are my five favorite directors. Also, there's no way THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING gets anywhere near my Top 100. But it placed high enough, early enough that it's going to be hanging out in that elite group for quite some time. But while Flickchart has thus far painted a somewhat inaccurate picture of my overall taste in movies, I keep coming back because I know the gentlemen who launched the site, Nathan and Jeremy, are working tirelessly to add as many titles as possible; even better, they're planning to tweak the algorithm, which will help ensure that quality films like BREAKING AWAY don't consistently languish beneath, say, THE AMITYVILLE HORROR remake just because a) their chances of going head-to-head are slim, and b) the Peter Yates coming of age film was released in a much better year for movies (1979 vs. 2005). Flickchart is improving by the day - and it'll only get better via your participation and input. But for every minor annoyance one runs across, there's an awesomely agonizing Sophie's Choice like this: Romero's DAWN OF THE DEAD vs. EVIL DEAD 2. I got hit with this dilemma the first night I logged on to Flickchart, and I literally had to walk away from my computer to deliberate. Two of the greatest horror movies ever made. One is perfect as social commentary, the other is flawless as full-throttle cinema. There was no wrong answer. There was only what I preferred at that moment. So I went with the Romero. Tomorrow, I might take Raimi. Of course, I think MARTIN is better than both of 'em... There is a FAQ on the Flickchart site, but I thought it might be helpful if I hit up Nathan and Jeremy with my own questions and concerns with regards to Flickchart. So here's a little back and forth with the boys about the origin of the site, why they turned it into a social-networking tool, and how they plan on expanding it.

Mr. Beaks: How did you guys hook up?

Flickchart: We met in college, although we were merely acquaintances back then - passing in the halls and computer labs. It wasn't until we ended up both getting a job at the same company 3 years later - at the exact same time - that we became friends. Our idea for Flickchart, combined with a love for debate about film, and the fact that we're both web developers/designers, presented us with all the ingredients to create a site that tries to solve the question as to what the best movies of all time really are.

Beaks: Why a social networking site based on movies? 


Flickchart: Flickchart was sparked by an off-handed comment when the two of us were arguing about the movies on IMDb's Top 250 list. PULP FICTION was sitting 3 spots above THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK in the top 10 (currently 5 spots above). We agreed that if everyone had directly compared them, rather than assigning star ratings to each one in a vacuum, things would've shaken out differently. It seemed like a pretty fun way to build a list of your favorite films, and maybe truer than what you'd arrive at by only using star ratings. If THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and PULP FICTION are both "5 stars", which one's the better movie?

We didn't sit down to create a social networking site, but it was immediately obvious. When we couldn't tell our friends about Flickchart without getting into arguments about our example matchups, the social aspect proved to be essential to the format. Some of the most fun we'd ever had talking about movies was debating which of the two is better, but no other sites were pitching it that way. Gathering friends to debate about what the best movies of all time are, in a way they hadn't considered before, just seemed to be a perfect platform for a website.  

Beaks: In a nutshell, how does the ranking system work?

Flickchart: We present two films, and you simply choose the one you prefer. You might like one over the other for a myriad of reasons; the better story, the better cinematography, the better acting, the one you're most nostalgic for - but ultimately there's always something that makes one of the two the better movie - to you. As you rank, you get introduced to more and more films (from popular blockbusters to obscure cult films), and your rankings get mashed in with everyone else's on Flickchart to generate the overall "Greatest Movies" list.

Beaks: I've done 2,418 rankings, yet my top 20 is not close to resembling my all-time top 20 (I admire THELMA & LOUISE a great deal, but I doubt it's even a top 200 movie for me). Any idea how long I'll have to rank to get my list to better represent my tastes? (Keep in mind I've seen a shitload of movies.)

 

Flickchart: It's different for everyone, depending on whether you're ranking all movies, or if you use our filters to fine-tune your Top 20, 50, 100, or 250 - or choose to rank only within a specific year, decade, or genre. That being said, we're currently in the process of testing a new & improved algorithm we've been developing internally that will substantially change how the rankings are presented and stored, which should make for faster refinement of users' lists, with smarter results along the way.

Beaks: How does the system account for a shift in preference? For instance: let's say I choose PARIS, TEXAS over WINGS OF DESIRE. Several nights later, I pick NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD over PARIS, TEXAS. But a week later, when confronted with NOTLD vs. WoD, I decide at that moment that I prefer WoD. Does that foul everything up?

 

Flickchart: A lot of people ask about that lack of perfect transitivity, but it's not a problem. We always take whatever your most recent preference is, as many users have flipped back and forth on their choices. Sometimes the difficult matchups are so close that you might go with one film today, but the other next week. Sometimes your tastes just evolve over time. And again, our algorithm refinements will be applying to this as well to be smarter about your past choices, so we'll have a much better sense of your decisions once that's in place.

Beaks: Will you add TV movies? And what about a spinoff site based on TV shows? Or could you incorporate that on Flickchart?

 

Flickchart: Right now we're working on expanding our offering of movies, starting with all of the more obvious omissions and then digging a lot deeper in our lighter areas (international, anime, indie, documentaries, TV movies, etc.). For our launch, we're focusing on making sure that nearly all U.S. theater-released films are included, and we'll continue to add more as we go. As for a TV-only spinoff site - we've already developed plans internally for that, and other media as well (music, video games, books, and more). Movies are just the beginning for us.

Beaks: Have you thought about bringing on featured critics?  

Flickchart: We'd be absolutely thrilled to have featured critics on Flickchart. We'd love to see what Roger Ebert's highest ranked unseen film is, or favorite horror movie, or favorite 1980's movie - wouldn't you? (Beaks note: "Unseen"? Roger's seen everything!)

Beaks: What about getting into the movie news business? Trailer premieres? Exclusive interviews? If the site really takes off, you can guarantee that the studios will come a-callin'.

 

Flickchart: News, premieres, and interviews are some of the many things we'd love to dive into as the scope of the site evolves. The trickiest aspect of adding stuff, especially large features like news & interviews, is preserving the feel of the site while it grows and avoiding too much clutter. In the not so distant future, though, you'll see Flickchart grow well beyond just its front page. More social interaction, better ways to compare your lists and tastes in film with your friends, and the ability to create custom lists with commentary on why the films are ranked as they are for you, are all features we have in development. In addition to these and other ideas, our 10,000+ beta testers have been extremely helpful in providing all kinds of excellent suggestions to us through email, Twitter, FriendFeed, and GetSatisfaction.

Beaks: How do you answer the criticisms of someone like Harry, who doesn't like facile comparisons between films? (And isn't list-making a time-honored barroom tradition?)

Flickchart: The exercise is only as facile as you make it. When it comes to actual matchups, we hope you'll feel more of a connection to each pair of movies -  via the posters, the trailers, and above all the spotlight that's trained on just the two of them - than you do with shuffling titles around on a list and attributing stars. It can really challenge you to think about what makes a good movie, and what makes one movie better than the other. You can also make comments on each pair of matchups, and we've gotten some terrifically insightful stuff from users so far. Harry's right that the mechanism itself is simple; but the depth of thought and conversation that arises from it is enthralling.  
Not everyone loves making lists - but we hope Flickchart, at its core, should be fun above all else. A lot of people have described the effect as a sort of StumbleUpon for movies, since you can sit back and rank while the system delivers films to you that you love, hate, haven't heard of, forgot about, or have always wanted to see. As you mark movies that you haven't seen, we store that list for you so you can check out what you've missed - automatically ranked by greatness by all of Flickchart's users which lends itself to be a great recommendation system. When you see a new movie, you can bring it up on Flickchart and do a series of rankings to immediately slot it into your list where it belongs.   The thing that we think makes Flickchart different is that it makes you really consider what you love about movies, and as a byproduct of our process, you get introduced to great films you've never seen, like-minded people that have similar tastes in film, and - for statistics junkies - a wealth of knowledge about how films relate to each other in a way you've never seen before. We have a lot more to unveil along those lines up to and beyond our public launch, so hopefully we'll have even more to offer both casual movie fans and hardcore cinephiles alike. 
As for barroom traditions, load up Flickchart on your iPhone at the bar sometime and yell out "Which is better, DIE HARD or RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK!" and see what happens.



Ready to lose hours of your day to Flickchart? Click here. If you like what you see, be sure to friend me (username: mrbeaks). Faithfully submitted, Mr. Beaks

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  • July 6, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    sounds cool

    by bigbadbua

    is it free?

  • July 6, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    It Is Free

    by mrbeaks

    And devoid of MSG.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Own a stake in this site, Beaks?

    by Heckles

    Long advertisement for no money changing hands or some kind of vested interest.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Bull Durham better than Empire Strikes Back?

    by Hercules

    I bet you love Arli$$, don't you, Beaks?

  • July 6, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Back To The Future doesn't hold up very well

    by eoneon

    sorry,but true. I'll check this site out though because,well i'm buzzed off Sam Adams Summer Ale.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    A Movie Site that Discusses *MOVIES?!*

    by Just_Another_Fat_Geek

    What an innovative idea!

  • July 6, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Bull Durham better than Holy Grail??

    by Hercules

    Bull. Shit.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    What the hell, sounds weird, I'll try it eventually

    by SoylentMean

    I like coming to this site that provides very little information in an untimely fashion. I hear tell of strange myths when one Harry Knowles used to write reviews of upcoming and current DVD releases, but sadly these are from untrustworthy sources.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Oh, and that youtube commercial fuckin' lies

    by SoylentMean

    It says this Flickchart site launches on September 9th, 2009, which is in the future.<P> Holy shit this website comes with its own fuckin' time machine!

  • July 6, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    If Vice Squad isn't on my list

    by Continentalop

    Then the system is fucked and has to be fixed. <p> "Blink and you die in the dark."

  • July 6, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Do The Right Thing Better Than The Godfather??

    by Hercules

    Big Trouble In Little China better than King Kong??

  • July 6, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    2 greatist horror ever made? Lol I think not

    by bongo123

    1 verges on being a comedy and the other has aged badly with a laughable social commentary worshipped only by his fans, you'll find that the two greatist horrors of all time are Alien & The Thing, but great article as usual

  • July 6, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    It's still in fuckin' BETA?!!!!

    by SoylentMean

    I do not want huge ass videocassette tapes in my house anymore, thank you!

  • July 6, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    so how long does it take to sign up?

    by SoylentMean

    they still haven't emailed me

  • July 6, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Hercules, why did you disable talkback in the Hercvault?

    by SoylentMean

  • July 6, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I would like to play this game, but they haven't emailed me!!!!!

    by SoylentMean

    Must play game!

  • July 6, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Bull Durham better than Annie Hall AND Anchorman??

    by Hercules

    And The 40-Year-Old Virgin??

  • July 6, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    No Star Wars?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    What?

  • July 6, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    waste of time

    by HEADGEEK

    I hate things like these. I have my list of favorite films. It isn't dependent upon some site's ability to have those titles listed. And there's no need to CHOOSE between two titles. Watch both or don't.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I've been trying to sign up for days...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...still no confirmation email.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Bull Durham better than The Dark Knight??

    by Hercules

    And X-Men, Iron Man and Spider-Man 2????

  • July 6, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Holy shit, I agree with Harry

    by SoylentMean

    I still want to try this site. I also want to read Harry's Fuckin' Movie Reviews!!!!!!! Dagnabbit!

  • July 6, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Arguing about movies on the internet? Get the fuck out!

    by Heckles

    Man, I haven't seen an argument about movies on the net in nearly 5 minutes. Where can I find more movie arguments? Oh, on every AICN TB ever.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Facebook already did this months ago

    by lockesbrokenleg

    You can pick and chose your top five favorite films and compare them to other people. Also IMDB has been doing this for YEARS

  • July 6, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    But this sounds like a game! A game!

    by SoylentMean

    Now when have you ever heard of there being games on the internet?

  • July 6, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    DarthCorleone, what if this is just a scam?!!!!

    by SoylentMean

    Seriously, you've been waiting days for a confirmation email? I think you and I are going to start seeing a lot of spam from this supposed "website".

  • July 6, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    eoneon

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Epic fail.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    this shit don't have anything to do with movies

    by SallahBoBallah

    it's a business model supported by a proprietary mathematical equation facilitated through the form of a user friendly website that compares things. It might as well compare ways to be tortured. Boiled in acid vs. Eaten alive?

  • July 6, 2009, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Sallah, give it time

    by SoylentMean

    Choose your death, but choose it wisely.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Ever wonder why you have to justify your favorite things?

    by SoylentMean

    I do. Monkeys are weird that way.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    It's like Hot or Not and IMDB got together

    by FapMaster5000

    and had a baby with Down Syndrome

  • July 6, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    So MrBeaks, how long did it take to get your confirmation

    by SoylentMean

    email? And why do you like Trading Places so much?

  • July 6, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    imdb top 250 is a joke

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    so is the bottom 100 at times.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Rumors of our evil business plan have been greatly exaggerated

    by Prophasi

    Hey guys - Jeremy here (one of the two co-founders). 1) We're missing some egregious movies so far, it's true. We're working on that as our top priority apart from the site not outright crashing and igniting. 2) The algorithm is sadly not as proprietary or secretive as is suggested; if you try out the site, you'll hopefully have a lot of fun, but still hit some snags. We can likely take the heat for any outright insanity in Beaks' (or anyone else's) list, mostly further down. That's part of the fun! Not really - a complete rewrite is imminent. 3) You won't get any spam from us (interesting that not getting ENOUGH email from us would provoke that theory). Like Beaks said, it's meant primarily to be fun. If you enjoy it, great. Some do, not others. And if you stick it out, we have a lot more on the way.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    The Food, Sex or Cars SNL sketch with Rob Lowe...

    by Heckles

    ...was more interesting. <br><br>An orange circus peanut, Bea Arthur, or a Dodge Dart. Go!

  • July 6, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Netflix ranking system is a joke, as is much of that site

    by SoylentMean

    I just go there to rent movies. They won't even show you what movies are being released on any given week.

  • July 6, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Doesn't Rotten Tomatoes already do this?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I hate how people seem to cite RT reviews as the end all of how good a movie is. Fuck that.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST

    BULL DURHAM

    by mrbeaks

    It's not better than some of those titles, Herc, but it is a great film. Very perceptive about the rituals of romance *and* baseball. Shelton's script certainly outlcassses the superhero movies you mentioned. And I'd probably take it over HOLY GRAIL, but not LIFE OF BRIAN. EMPIRE STRIKES BACK would win head-to-head, but it'd be close.<br><br>And DO THE RIGHT THING is absolutely in THE GODFATHER's class. It should probably be higher on my list. Although, when I get Hawks and Lubitsch in there, maybe not.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by mrbeaks

    I got mine right away when I went through the link at Cinematical.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    And Comparing ARLI$$ To BULL DURHAM!?!?

    by mrbeaks

    Madness.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    so wait, you basically have to level up on this site?

    by SoylentMean

    That's kinda dumb.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Well I went through your link Beaks...

    by SoylentMean

    I'm still waiting.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:15 p.m. CST

    This website is as about as bad as

    by FapMaster5000

    the Predalien bust that Aintitcool.com is trying to hawk in the top right corner of my screen

  • July 6, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    It's kittenwar.com for movies

    by BrandLoyalist

    http://kittenwar.com <br> as seen on the infamous Slashdot "OMG Ponies!!!" April 1st site. (Naturally there's also puppywar.com too.) <br><br> I am sure that whether it's movies or kittens, there are sure to be a lot of cases where a > b and b > c does not assure an answer of a > c. There are sure be all kinds of loops and seeming contradictions in users' responses; not because people are wishy-washy, just because there's no creating a 1-d metric function for something as complex as movie coolness or kitten cuteness.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    the WAIT

    by lopan

    seriously, good fucking God, how long do I need to wait for the god damned confirmation email? this sounds awesome, and i'm anxious to test it out, but confirmation emails SHOULD NOT TAKE MORE THAN A COUPLE HOURS, PERIOD. Focus on getting that in fucking order and THEN add some more movies and noodle with your algorithms. Jesus tittyfucking Christ! How hard can that possibly be?

  • July 6, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    This is madness.

    by Toilet_Terror

    Before long you'll be writing lists of movies on the walls of your bedroom and complaining loudly in public about your 'list problem'. There are better things to be thinking about!

  • July 6, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Will Smiff AND Spam Jackson ARE TJ Hooker

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    a role so big it takes twice the negro to portray

  • July 6, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    OOPS WRONG THREAD

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    not that anyone'd fucking notice

  • July 6, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    if it helps me meet hot birds

    by TheExterminator

    who like the same movies i do...im in

  • July 6, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Notice

    by MTCicero

    how not even one of the site's founders addresses the issue of NEVER fucking getting your confirmation email. So, Beaks, why the FUCK is it taking so long? STOP IGNORING THESE QUESTIONS, GODDAMN IT!

  • July 6, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    beaks

    by Buzz_Aldrin

    you're such a fucking nitwit, it hurts, beaks. what is this shit?!

  • July 6, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    I want chicken and Chi-Chi's

    by SifoDyasJr.

  • July 6, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    fucking waste of time

    by Castiel

    i agree with harry on this one, watch one or don't watch both or don't. as if i don't argue enough already with the fuckers on this site already.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    this talkback is about as bad as the inevitable

    by FapMaster5000

    talkback that will be posted tomorrow for Michael Jackson's memorial. Seriously, that shit's going to be wall-to-wall coverage, all the networks, all the cable news, and I will be here, making jokes of you all.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Invites

    by Flickchart

    (This is Nathan, one of the co-founders of Flickchart) - Just so you know, the invites are first-come, first serve - and there are A LOT of people waiting to get in (like seriously, a hell of a lot of people)... We'll be sending more invites out every day - but realize we can't easily invite thousands of people at once as there's a ton of processing going on with all of the data. So hold tight, and you'll get your invite email from us soon.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    well im using a disposable email

    by TheExterminator

    to prevent the inevitable spammage from this site that will no doubt be affiliated with all types of gayass sponsors gearing their spam missiles to my movie taste. guess im fucked then.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    What if you like neither movie?

    by The Dark Shite

    Then you have to choose the lesser of two evils & have a piece of shit movie on your "favourites" list.<p>

  • July 6, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Don't invest cunts!

    by SallahBoBallah

  • July 6, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    um, Flickchart, so it's like a club?

    by SoylentMean

    You must be this tall to ride. First come first serve? That sounds like a porno title. Also, if your site does get up and running and is successful, well then you're gonna have to deal with thousands of people trying to sign up daily. I'd have to imagine that would be your goal. <P> Who knew computer programming could be so difficult. <P> Dammit, once I get in you better let me have Jurassic Park in my top ten!

  • July 6, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by SallahBoBallah

    Expect to die in your sleep. I won't say when.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    I'm done with Aintitcool.com.......

    by SallahBoBallah

    Die with dignity (hopefully) Jimmy Kimmel aka Harry Knowles aka Moriarty!!!

  • July 6, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Sallah, ok kinda creepy

    by SoylentMean

    Why would I expect to die in my sleep anyways, that kinda defeats the point of dying in one's sleep. I expect to die in the jaws of some as of yet unknown monster.<P> Death by chewing.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I'm going to check my email to see if I'm in da club

    by SoylentMean

    This website better be faster than fast's fastest speed while on speed speeding in a speedy car going downhill fast!

  • July 6, 2009, 7:33 p.m. CST

    datsdapointidgonnakilluyoucuzi'mucuzi'msoylentmean

    by SallahBoBallah

    akaharryknowles

  • July 6, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    sallah is crazy, pass it on

    by SoylentMean

    but pass it on the left 'cause it's safer.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Beta sweetness

    by Prophasi

    Soylent - We can't claim the invention of "invite codes" - it's been done before on hundreds of sites with pretty standard results. We want to moderate how many people get on at any one time so our crap server that doesn't cost $4K/mo (because we're just two guys with families) can handle it without degrading to crap for everyone on the site. And yeah, sorry for dodging the question. I'm sure there are more cynical & bitter interpretations, but the much more boring truth was that I typed it quickly just before leaving work to go practice guitar. And yes, I do suck as much at guitar as I do at making websites. :) Dark Shite - Right, but the suck movies get pushed further and further down the list. If you have 1000 movies on there, just consider the top 250 your "favourites." Easy and done. You're right, though, the list as a whole wouldn't be your "Top Movies" per se, so it's mislabeled a bit. Once we have the API up and running, you can grab the Top X and put it wherever (blog, etc.), so the crap movies will sit outside that. Exterminator - Nah, spam sucks, and it's a crappy business plan compared to what we hope to do with the site. Rather have a good product than forcefeeding ads to people (um, yeah, we DO have a few ads on the site...why do you ask? :).

  • July 6, 2009, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Four consonants in a row

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    ... is too many. Here's one instance where mashing two words together benefits no-one.

  • July 6, 2009, 7:56 p.m. CST

    what's taking so long for these fuckers to send me an invite?

    by Bruce of all Trades

    Well?

  • July 6, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    so can i meet fit women

    by TheExterminator

    who like the exterminator and other great movies like that or what?

  • July 6, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Invites

    by Prophasi

    Sorry, guys. We're sending out batches of invites, but there's a little bit of a backlog. Check out this post - http://tinyurl.com/l547n5 - for a bit at the bottom about how to get right in.

  • July 6, 2009, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Not spam

    by Prophasi

    Oh yeah, and that link above is NOT a site with tons of viruses that will take over your machine, steal your actual, physical credit cards, and spam your mom.

  • July 6, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Great success!

    by Bruce of all Trades

    Thanks, dude! Can't wait to check out your site.

  • July 6, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    OK, but do this with books and we'll talk

    by palimpsest

    Movies is easy, y'all. Books is where it's at, and where there's stuff to be discovered.

  • July 6, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    I repeat..

    by The Dark Shite

    "What happens if you like neither movie? Then you have to choose the lesser of two evils & have a piece of shit movie on your "favourites" list."<p> You're here answering people's questions. Can't answer mine? YOu don't get my custom. Not even gonna click the link. <p> I'd rather suck a pig's cock.

  • July 6, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    like your penis

    by TheExterminator

    cos by the sounds of it you haven't discovered that yet...or your balls

  • July 6, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    can't we skip the queue or some

    by TheExterminator

    shit...da fuck!

  • July 6, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    TheExterminator

    by The Dark Shite

    You talking to me? I haven't dicovered my balls because I don't wanna go on a shit site? Mainly because the people who run it avoided my perfectly common sense question. <p> Um..ok. <p> Bet you go on twitter too, eh?

  • July 6, 2009, 8:52 p.m. CST

    & I wasn't aware you need balls..

    by The Dark Shite

    to join a gay little online club. <p> Yep, very manly that is.

  • July 6, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile this site has used the same background

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and font since 1999

  • July 6, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    You guys owe Moriarty and Harry some royalties

    by seppukudkurosawa

    http://zone.aintitcool.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53836<p> By the way, the fact that this was used in the AICN Pilot by Harry and Moriarty makes the big guy come across a little hypocritical. Although I agree with him; this looks like just another circle jerk, in which the same movies get shuffled around over and over again. Why do people feel the need to suck the fun out of the things they love by placing them in order of preference or giving them star ratings? Isn't enjoying them enough? Still, best of luck to you guys!

  • July 6, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    & wasn't this on hotmail before?

    by The Dark Shite

    But as a poll thing to find the best albums? Like you choose between "Rubber soul" & "London Calling" or something.<p> Then it goes around until at the end of it, you might have "Dark side of the moon" vs "Rubber Soul". It's like detergent, same old shit, new package.

  • July 6, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Admirable feat for two guys with families

    by SoylentMean

    I look forward to getting the invite to your site, but what is the proper attire? Please don't say Saran Wrap. That shit is really fuckin' hard to move in.

  • July 6, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    I kinda got the idea that this was a quick toggle type thing

    by SoylentMean

    You pick your film allegiance, then the next options pop up, you pick again. sounds a hell of a lot better than solitaire. Although I still think Battle Chess is probably more fun.

  • July 6, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    A cool feature would be a communal poll thing

    by SoylentMean

    You have your list and then the community at large rates it. Also some 'splosions would be nice. And War Hippos.

  • July 6, 2009, 9:24 p.m. CST

    dark shite..no i wasn't

    by TheExterminator

    u insecure fucking drama queen lol...chill out you fairy

  • July 6, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Drama queen, me?

    by The Dark Shite

    I'll scratch your eyes out. <p> BITCH!

  • July 6, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Which is better, Empire vs Pulp Fiction: answer, NEITHER.

    by Amy Chasing

    They might both be films, they might both be "comic book like", but otherwise they're two different genres and you can't compare a sci-fi epic with a crime/drama/comedy/thing with such a general question as "which one is better". <P> Apples and Volkswagens people. Apples and Volkswagens.

  • July 6, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    "Apples & Volkswagens"

    by seppukudkurosawa

    A: Apples.

  • July 6, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I've been waiting over a week for confirmation e-mail...

    by MMAmadman

    If there are this many people waiting, why promote website until you're capable of actually handing the traffic you would expect to receive? Very strange.

  • July 6, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I dunno seppukudkurosawa

    by Amy Chasing

    a friend of mine swears by her Golf GTI. But then again, there are some mighty fine apples...

  • July 6, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    LINK TO REGISTER IMMEDIATELY

    by ehh108

    http://tinyurl.com/flickchartreg

  • July 6, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by the beef

    He answered your question, "Dark Shite - Right, but the suck movies get pushed further and further down the list. If you have 1000 movies on there, just consider the top 250 your "favourites." Easy and done. You're right, though, the list as a whole wouldn't be your "Top Movies" per se, so it's mislabeled a bit. Once we have the API up and running, you can grab the Top X and put it wherever (blog, etc.), so the crap movies will sit outside that." I'm hoping you were just being sarcastic and really aren't a dumbshit. And JESUS FUCKIN' CHRIST people, it's a GODDAMN GAME. Play it or don't. The fun of it is HAVING to decide which film YOU would pick as your favorite. It doesn't have to be the "better" film, it's giving you an ordered list of your "favorite" films. That's the fun, it's YOUR list of the shit you'd rather watch. Is BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA better than DO THE RIGHT THING? Fuck NO!!! but would I rather watch BTILT over DTRT if I HAD to pick one? Fuck YES!!! Quit complaining. Unless you're complaining about not getting an email. 'Cause that sucks.

  • July 6, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Spike Lee's mom ...

    by Hercules

    ... doesn't think Do The Right Thing is better than The Godfather. <p> I'd like to rank all the films by the number of times I watched them. I've probably seen all three hours of The Godfather 70 times. I think I've seen Do The Right Thing once. What do you think your counts are on those two movies are, Beakso?

  • July 6, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    And Bull Durham better than Pulp Fiction??

    by Hercules

    Really? Because it offers better insights into fucking baseball?? Baseball isn't even a real mansport like football and basketball!! Why not pick Ice Castles for its insights into triple-lutzes?? <p>and, yeah, put me down for apples too.

  • July 6, 2009, 10:54 p.m. CST

    SOYLENT MEAN

    by MooseKnuckleMalone

    don't try and hide behind the new name, we all know your DGDB. and guess what? I LOVE IT

  • July 6, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    SOYLENT MEAN=DANNYGLOVERSDICKBLOOD

    by MooseKnuckleMalone

    Is it only this obvious to me? or did I miss something?

  • July 6, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    malcolm x is spike lees best movie

    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN

    THE COWBELL HAS SPOKEN

  • July 6, 2009, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Oh. I didn't see the reply.

    by The Dark Shite

    I've been medicated up to the eyeballs for weeks. Sometimes I miss stuff.

  • July 6, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    I think Titbag is Bringing Sexy Back

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The Caps, the shitty ass replies. It all makes sense.

  • July 6, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Citizen Kane

    by Lashlarue

    Will always be king!

  • July 6, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    It's a mad fun project BUT!!

    by stupidpunname

    "Sunset Boulevard" is not listed! It belongs in my Top 20 but it wasn't coming up, so I searched for it. Not recognized! Since you know these guys, you should have a word with 'em...If they're gonna do this they should do it RIGHT.

  • July 6, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the Quick Reg, dude

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I've been doing this for all of three minutes, and I guess it's kind of cool... I don't expect much in the way of the Top 20 having anything to do with my taste, but clicking is fun!<p> By the way, having recently rewatched Malcolm X, I can tell you that's some pretty goofy sledgehammer filmmaking right there. Stick with the Autobiography. <p> Did Olly Stone and Spike Lee make a pact sometime in the early '90s to shoehorn as many badly-acted ranty scenes into their movies as possible? Shame, 'cause they both can be great when they're not all up in yo' grill.

  • July 7, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Honestly, Herc...

    by mrbeaks

    ... I've probably watched DO THE RIGHT THING more times than THE GODFATHER. It's a masterpiece. *The* definitive film on race relations in America. And it's shorter than THE GODFATHER (which is a masterpiece, too; I'm just saying I prefer Lee's masterpiece to Coppola's in this instance).<br><br>Also, I must've watched JUST ONE OF THE GUYS, like, twenty times on cable back in the mid '80s. Doesn't mean I think it's better than THE DOUBLE LIFE OF VERONIQUE.<br><br>And I don't think BULL DURHAM is better than PULP FICTION. I just haven't ranked the two head-to-head yet. I am, however, comfortable with THE BAD NEWS BEARS being my #1 for 1976.

  • July 7, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST

    I don't get it. I already know my favorite movies.

    by CherryValance

    And FOTR is #1. :p I'll try it and see what it says.

  • July 7, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Are you fucking kidding?

    by OutlawsDelejos

    Get back to work.

  • July 7, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Don't waste your time.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Flickchart is the worst sort of internet bullshit. Empty-headed and the worst kind of pandering to the "opinionated." Come to my website instead: applesvsoranges.com...

  • July 7, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I didn't know this was gonna take a long time.

    by CherryValance

    pshhh... This whole concept leads me to believe that some people don't keep a list of their favorite movies. I used to keep mine in my wallet in case of an emergency. My top 50 is pretty stable but the rest of it is pretty crazy. I go back and tweak it every know and again usually after I've rewatched something. I thought everyone did that.

  • July 7, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Yeah, just what we need. Another site to turn real movie fans

    by lockesbrokenleg

    into movie douchebags.

  • July 7, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    it's like Desperate housewives, mrbeacks.

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span class=spelle>mrbeaks</span></span>, you &quot;watched JUST ONE OF THE GUYS, like, twenty times on cable back in the mid '80s.&quot; </p> <p class=MsoNormal>Are joking? This and your &quot;addiction&quot; to this &quot;what's your favorite ice cream flavor&quot; site is bewildering. How can one become so bored and uninterested in the world as to waste so much of their time on so much mindless, useless crap? </p> <p class=MsoNormal>You're like a professional Pavlov dog. I bet the dog also ate the same treat more than, like, twenty times.</p>

  • July 7, 2009, 1:51 a.m. CST

    applesvsoranges.com

    by Amy Chasing

    Interesting pics. Guess you prefer Volkswagens. ;) <P> So are we to assume those that prefer apples like it sweet, crunchy and refreshing, while those that prefer Volkswagens like to go somewhere and have things reasonably well engineered? There may be room for thought here that goes well beyond just "which is better". Perhaps the question should be "don't your favorite films deserve better than a yes/no critique".

  • July 7, 2009, 1:54 a.m. CST

    HERC HAS A HARD-ON FOR BEAKSY

    by ChoclateWoman

    how cute and erotic.

  • July 7, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    The site just got renamed to "Which Movie is More Overrated"

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • July 7, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    For years, I've wondered.....

    by aint_it_cruel?

    Just what IS my 234th favorite movie?? Turns out it's Poltergeist. Thank You Flickchart!

  • July 7, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    This is news?

    by masteryoda007

    This site sucks balls. What the hell happened to AICN?

  • July 7, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    [Dawn of the Dead] is perfect as social commentary

    by Iowa Snot Client

    No, it's not. Land of the Dead was so bad, so hamfisted as to retrospectively suck any credibility from the previous films. I still enjoy watching Dawn, but as a "message" film it sucks zombie cock.

  • July 7, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Amazon started this

    by ThePilgrim

    Other users who bought this also bought. Imdb to some extent as well. So this is it, huh this is the big deal. So empty of any real anything that we now are what we watch, and only those that enjoy what we do who have things on their list that we dont are worthy of seeing. Fuck theres a real world out there. One more day closer to the grave. I got better shit to do with my time. Like um, waste it here.

  • July 7, 2009, 5:13 a.m. CST

    this one really got me

    by ThePilgrim

    Flickchart: Flickchart was sparked by an off-handed comment when the two of us were arguing about the movies on IMDb's Top 250 list. PULP FICTION was sitting 3 spots above THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK in the top 10 (currently 5 spots above). We agreed that if everyone had directly compared them, rather than assigning star ratings to each one in a vacuum, things would've shaken out differently. It seemed like a pretty fun way to build a list of your favorite films, and maybe truer than what you'd arrive at by only using star ratings. If THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and PULP FICTION are both "5 stars", which one's the better movie?

We didn't sit down to create a social networking site, but it was immediately obvious. When we couldn't tell our friends about Flickchart without getting into arguments about our example matchups, the social aspect proved to be essential to the format. Some of the most fun we'd ever had talking about movies was debating which of the two is better, but no other sites were pitching it that way. Gathering friends to debate about what the best movies of all time are, in a way they hadn't considered before, just seemed to be a perfect platform for a website. <P> Beaks: In a nutshell, how does the ranking system work? <P> Flickchart: We present two films, and you simply choose the one you prefer. You might like one over the other for a myriad of reasons; the better story, the better cinematography, the better acting, the one you're most nostalgic for - but ultimately there's always something that makes one of the two the better movie - to you. As you rank, you get introduced to more and more films (from popular blockbusters to obscure cult films), and your rankings get mashed in with everyone else's on Flickchart to generate the overall "Greatest Movies" list. ===============================================<P> So they talk about emoire and Pulp Fiction, and then they formed the idea that basically rips off pulp fictions scene when Travolata is asked if he's a beatle or and elvis fan. Cause you cant be one or the other. You must choose to like one more than the other and thats it. The whole which of 2 is better, man they lifted that shit from pulp fiction. So sad. So sad....

  • July 7, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Beaks I love this comment by you

    by ThePilgrim

    Beaks: What about getting into the movie news business? Trailer premieres? Exclusive interviews? If the site really takes off, you can guarantee that the studios will come a-callin'.============================== You could make a conan bit about this. Call it what he's really saying. <P> What Beaks is really saying is this. Are you ready to whore yourself out to make some serious money? And the Critic thing. well hey that's pretty self explained. AICN wants in on this shit.

  • July 7, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    fuck this site

    by TheExterminator

  • July 7, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST

    What's with the Beaks hate on this site?

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Guy's not aggressive, prone to douchebaggery and, on those rare occasions when he condescends to enter into an argument, he always does so like a gentleman. So what is it that you guys hate so much about him? Do you really want to drive away the only lucid voice this site has left now that Mori's gone?<p> By the way, Beaks, I managed to get a Lubitsch film- Ninotchka- into my Top 20, so keep plugging away. I will say that after killing an hour on this thing, it's an even bigger waste of time than I first thought it was. You've got to spend dozens of hours trying to get a movie you love into your Top 20, when it'd take all of two seconds to just write down its name on a piece of paper. This is Geek OCD in its lowest form.

  • July 7, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    "only lucid voice this site has left now that Mori's gone"

    by Amy Chasing

    hahahahaha! cheers for that, made my Tuesday. :) <P> Me thinks you're forgetting Scott Green, Alexandra DuPont, Twitch (yeah go on, they help make this site good), and I recently saw Harry responding to talkbacker crap with virtual grace and a sense of humor. Compared to Mori who has had his fair share of outbursts to industry types and talkbackers alike, and as for the claims that he stopped a Superman movie from going into production... no, probably better to choose someone else to compare Beaks to. Quint perhaps? Both seem to be capable reviewers.

  • July 7, 2009, 8:36 a.m. CST

    A website that tells you what movies you should like?

    by Verbage

    What a load of bullshit. So it's like the movie-version of astrology, or one of those facebook quizzes where you answer a bunch of questions and it tells you what type of animal you would be, or which character of the Golden Girls. <p> The only possible interesting aspect of this site (I'm assuming, I didn't click on the link) is the possibility of people with very unique movie tastes meeting and talking with people who like the same movies. They can friend each other, and then dudes can meet up and stroke each others meat before ramming their respective prostate glands while watching Predator 2.

  • July 7, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST

    AC

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I'll admit that Mori "was" an ornery son of a gun at the best of times, but I just browsed over some of his reviews at Hitfix recently and he's still the best reviewer this site ever had, with the possible exception of Vern.<p> Quint's got too big a habit of describing scene after scene in his reviews, as if that's all movies are- a collection of scenes. Scott Green's a great guy, but he does have a tendency to resort to Engrish on occasion (as an Engrish connoisseur, I happen to love his stuff, but we are talking about "lucid" reviewers here). And I never really thought of Miss DuPont and Vern as really belonging to AICN; this is just the place they go to when they get the masochistic urge to be called bull-dykes and rambling, illiterate cranks by puddle-faced fanatics.

  • July 7, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    by Buzz_Aldrin

    If Beaks is not prone to douchebaggery who is? We're talking about the guy who "seriously considered" banning for life every talkbacker in the Wolverine leak thing. A guy who pretends to be smart by copying faulty Wikipedia entries about movies. A guy who apparently thinks Do the Right Thing is better than the Godfather because it is shorter!! Beaks is the pinnacle of douchebaggery around this site, the most pretentious small mind you can suffer. <p> Also: He plugged this shitty compare movies site and interviewed the makers, like anyone anywhere cared about this shit.

  • July 7, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    In Beak's defence RE: Bull Durham etc.

    by seppukudkurosawa

    (Which IS a good movie). I found it virtually impossible to get rid of most of the movies that suddenly appeared in my Top 20 after I answered the first 30 or so questions. An hour later, 15 of them were still there. You might want to do something about that, guys...

  • July 7, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    The site is shit

    by Buzz_Aldrin

    We get it. Can this useless article be deleted now?

  • July 7, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    At least he interviewed these guys

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Have I had one too many peyote trips in my time, or did Harry once write an article for Twitter? And at least Beaks has never tried to pimp a laser... Oy.

  • July 7, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Herc seems to have shit taste in movies.

    by George_Kaplan

    Big Trouble in Little China is better than King Kong. And a shitload of stuff is better than Pulp Fiction. Did you write the IMDb top 250 or something?

  • July 7, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I doubt it, George

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Otherwise Serenity would be in the Top 5.

  • July 7, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    seppukudkurosawa

    by Amy Chasing

    No one's ever called me AC before. I think I like it. <P> I don't really know what you mean by Scott Green resorting to Engrish. Could you site some examples? I find him probably the most interesting, well-researched and philosophical reviewer here, and if that doesn't take some level of lucidity I don't know what does. :) <P> Mori's probably found his groove since I've heard he's working on some Hollywood projects now, but I think I speak for us all in wishing Ms DuPont would grace AICN more often than she does.

  • July 7, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Top Twenty

    by AdmiralNeck

    The top twenty films starts off all wrong, but does eventually weed them out. I had The Thin Red Line in there for a couple of hours, but eventually it goes up against the movies below it and sllides down the scale.<p> And seconding the curiosity re: Beaks hate. He's the best film critic on the site (no disrespect to many of the lovely people here).

  • July 7, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Addendum

    by AdmiralNeck

    Re: critics on AICN, I don't count Vern as he has his own place and only seems to visit here.

  • July 7, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    LOCKESBROKENLEG

    by TITBAG

    THAT'S FUCKING INSANE. ASSATOLA SAW A POST OF MINE ONCE AND HAS BEEN TRYING TO CRAWL UP MY ARSE EVER SINCE. <P> TRUE STORY, THAT

  • July 7, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Herc is coming off as the worst kind of 'movie buff'

    by George_Kaplan

    ...someone who treats the IMDb top 250 and the AFI 100 as the indisputable best movies ever, like critics' opinions are objective fact. Jesus Christ on a dinosaur, branch out or you don't deserve to call yourself a critic.

  • July 7, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    George_Kaplan

    by the beef

    where does Beaks mention giving weight to the IMDB top 250 or the AFI 100?

  • July 7, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    And I think a good deal of you are missing the idea

    by the beef

    The idea behind the site is to develop one's own personal preferences of "favorites", not "best". Most sites, if any, don't give you the opportunity to really do that. You're typically presented with a star-rating system where you're more than likely going to rate a movie based on how good / great / bad it is, but not exactly on how much you really loved the film. That's what flickchart helps you with; getting down to the nitty-gritties of the films you would probably rather *watch*. On IMDB I'd rate Citizen Kane with 10 stars, and probably give The Monster Squad 7 or 8. However, if I was to pick one of the two to watch I'd pick The Monster Squad. It helps make you more aware of what you truly enjoy more than what you would think is truly a great film. It's much more representative of you; and the social networking aspect of the site allows you to possibly meet people that have similar viewing tastes more than similar opinions on what constitutes greatness, which I personally think is a better gauge of determining whether you and said person really agree on films. Plus, the difficult decisions is what makes the site both fun and a pain in the ass. It forces you to pick between Raiders of the Lost Ark and Back to the Future, or The Exorcist and Star Wars, or The Thing and The Fly; because ultimately you'll find that you do in fact like one more than the other; but making the decision can be painful, yet fun.

  • July 7, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    by ThePilgrim

    Eventually there will be a sum that reflects the whole of everyones taste, This tally to some extent, can not be changed. People have this selfish need to have their views and critique absolute, and everyone else is just wrong or dumb. When they can't move a title up becuase the shear numbers are against them, they will be upset somehow over it. I don't know, and I don't hate Mr. Beaks. I was drunk and depressed last night, most of you know about these kinds of moments. I don't know who the fuck that me was up there. I have my douchbag moments from time to time the ones that suck for both parties usually involve me drinking on a bad day/night. Sorry about that. The site sounds like fun. This is a capital idea that could turn the site into a real money maker, no doubt. Althought the name flickchart for games or books wouldn;t work well, wouldnt those sites need names like gamechart and bookchart. If the site goes in that direction. It should be called something that reflects a Ratign system to all those things. Like Rated.com or something like that. Anyways sorry mr beaks for the douchery shitfaced bullshit on my end. Drunk doesnt always mean truth, or true words, sometimes it's just someone angry and sad being and asshole to cope.

  • July 7, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    So this site is another Entertainment Weekly basically?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    There are enough movie sites on the net that try and tell me which movies to watch and avoid. Fuck this. I am not a movie snob. I like all kinds of movies. Fuck this!

  • July 7, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by the beef

    No. It's not.

  • July 7, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    As long as everybody knows their opinion is unique

    by SoylentMean

    like snowflakes. Then they can understand that their opinions will turn yellow when everybody pisses on them.

  • July 7, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, and that MooseKnuckle dude is wrong

    by SoylentMean

    I'm not that black actor guy from Lethal Weapon's sanguine urethral discharge, it just ain't true by gum!

  • July 7, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Hey beef

    by lockesbrokenleg

    What up?

  • July 7, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by the beef

    Hi. Nothin'. You?

  • July 7, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Oh not much

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Still trying to get over the Sci Fi Channel name change.

  • July 7, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Since other people are pimping their web wares...

    by SK229

    go to youtube and search WOODS ULMANN or GREY CORRIDOR for a new sci fi web series that I created. It centers around a guy who once wrote a famous book about alien abduction and is now filming his daily experiences instead of writing about them. He's suffering writer's block and is just lazy... anyway, there's a few clips, but the longest one is the first episode and the one called ALIEN ATTACK is a clip from the second episode which I'm uploading this Thursday. The response has been pretty good and with no marketing whatsoever, I can't believe the total views across the internet are already close to 4,000. Also, I think everyone is gonna really see what we're serious about trying to do puppet effects, lighting, limited compositing and stuff for this series once the second episode hits. We couldn't blow our load with the first one... check it out, I guarantee you like it.<p>http://bit.ly/AWNuu

  • July 7, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Well, I can't guarantee...

    by SK229

    but at least its free!

  • July 7, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    beef

    by George_Kaplan

    He doesn't, but the creators of this site very clearly do, as that's about all the films they include in their rankings. And why the fuck would you differentiate between 'best' and 'favorite'? All that means is that you accept some preordained standards of film excellence instead of forming your own opinions about what makes a film great. Your favorite movie should be the same as the best movie.

  • July 7, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    best vs favorite

    by Amy Chasing

    I actually have a classic (ie. best) film list and favorite list separately. eg. Star Wars is on the classic list but Empire is on the favorite list. It gives me a chance to acknowledge that Star Wars is a great movie to be mentioned in the same sentence as Godfather and Metropolis, but I personally prefer to watch Empire Strikes Back - also a great movie, a favorite of mine, but arguably not as classic as Star Wars. <P> It's a fine line, but I understand it. The problem I had was the notion that you can say Pulp Fiction "is better than" Empire. Why? What's the basis for that? And once you start going into specific reasons then why have such a general question like "is blank better than blank2"? For a bit of fun, fine, but don't think it's at all fair, balanced or interesting.

  • July 7, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Soylent

    by MooseKnuckleMalone

    stop fibbing. your reply screamed DGDB. oh yeah...

  • July 7, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing and George_Kaplan

    by the beef

    There is most definitely a difference between "best" and "favorite". It's like asking someone who their favorite boxer is, and then asking them who the best boxer is. Some films show incredible skill in overall filmmaking execution, while others simply just entertain the hell out of you. Floyd Mayweather Jr. may be the greatest boxer of our lifetime, and you technically can't make an argument that he's not a great fighter, but if I had to choose to watch either a Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight or an Arturo Gatti fight I'd probably pick Gatti because I'm likely to see someone get knocked out. It'll be exciting. I can watch Citizen Kane and be in awe of its accomplishments and superior skill, but I know if I watch The Monster Squad I'm more likely to see a knockout. Sorry for the sports analogy. I do that a lot. <b> The whole thing is really based on one's approach to the decision of one film over another. I like flickchart immensely because it's the only site I'm aware of where I can be faced to choose which films I actually like vs. acknowledging simply which films are great. Everyone knows that The Godfather is a great film, but Flickchart gives you the oppurtunity to point out that while you may realize it's great it may not be your "favorite" film. It also helps you become more aware of films you've seen that you never realized how much you actually liked, or films that you thought were phenomenal yet when presented with the dilemma of choosing it over another film that you know is inferior but have seen thousands of times throughout your childhood you have to take a step back and recognize that you didn't exactly *enjoy* the better film so much as just recognize that it's great. <b> Again, though, it all depends on your approach to choosing one film over another. In the case of Pulp Fiction vs. Empire Strikes Back I would approach it as both films are on two different HBO channels, both just started, which do I feel like watching now and which do I set to record on the DVR? The answer may change from one hour to the next on close calls like that; but again, that's part of the fun. I'm not saying that Pulp Fiction is better than Empire (or vice versa). The only thing I know for sure is that RIGHT NOW I feel like watching one more than the other, and that's what i'll pick.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    so what I said then

    by Amy Chasing

    :)

  • July 8, 2009, 5:34 a.m. CST

    The definitve movie on race relations is

    by CherryValance

    The Thing With Two Heads. Everyone knows that.</p> <p>btw, I sent my email but didn't get an invite yet. Why advertise if you're not ready?</p>

  • July 8, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    beef

    by George_Kaplan

    It's not like boxing at all. You can't use that analogy because film is an art and therefore all opinions on it are totally subjective. Only you are right and everyone else is wrong. With boxing yeah you've got stats and titles to determine who's the best but what do you have for film? Oscars? That's a group of people voting on their own opinion. Critics? Same thing. Why does everybody have to agree that The Godfather is a great movie? What if I think it's a bore? If I do, you can't prove me wrong because it's subjective. You might certainly be able to formulate a better argument for its greatness, but you'd be arguing based on standards of greatness that you adhere to and I don't. Everybody should decided for themselves what makes a film great instead of accepting what the Academy and the AFI say. And Amy, why would you even bother making a classics list? The AFI and IMDb have already done that, and it's a far better list than you'll ever make because IMDb is actually voted on by thousands of people. Don't waste your time thinking about what everyone else's opinion is. Form your own opinions. and hahahaha The Thing with Two Heads. That's a trip down memory lane.

  • July 8, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    George_Kaplan

    by the beef

    The boxing analogy fits fine. Determining someone's boxing greatness is just as subjective as determining a film's greatness. Just because there are stats to assist with one's argument of whether or not someone is a great boxer doesn't mean that someone else has to accept that as fact. Just as you can say that The Godfather is a bore I can say the same thing about Jake LaMotta (but I won't). Maybe I don't consider LaMotta a great boxer because I think his fighting style is boring. That's subjective. Who can argue with that? If one was able to determine a boxer's greatness, or even sometimes who wins, based solely on stats then there would be no need for judges if someone doesn't get knocked out. One judge may give a guy an edge for throwing a lot of punches, while another may give an edge to the other for not getting hit with any punches. One judge may think a boxer is better because he dances around the ring and looks flashy when he throws punches, while another thinks another is better because he throws his punches effectively even though he's boring to watch. One can segregate entertainment value from skill. I qualify greatness based on skill. I qualify entertainment based on enjoyment. The Godfather, Citizen Kane, 2001: A Space Odyssey I consider great films based on their skill. I qualify The Monster Squad as entertainment because I enjoy the hell out of it. I do get your point, and I'll rephrase that while best and favorite are not exclusive of one another, they can be considered as such; as I do. I weigh my favorites based on entertainment value and nostalgia. I weigh greatness based on skills displayed, effectiveness, timelessness, ingenuity, etc. Not all films aim to entertain, but just because they don't necessarily aim to do so doesn't mean that they can't be considered great.

  • July 8, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by Cotton McKnight

    I mean really. When I saw this story, I clicked on it thinking that it might be some kind of website where you can watch movies. Perhaps they struck a deal with a major studio. No, this is just a place where you can make lists. Guess what Beaks? I can do that with a pen and a piece of paper. Oh.. the point is you can "talk" about your list. Wow, that's something I've been dying to do- discuss why Star Wars is not number one on some random stranger's top ten. Oh and then we can talk about how Lucas raped his childhood and that's why he doesn't want to have any star wars on his list. Never had THAT conversation before on the internet.<br><br><br>Pass.

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