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The BBC Has Launched Its Weeklong TORCHWOOD Miniseries And We’ve Got A Look At Episode One!!
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Here in the states BBC America is getting "Torchwood: Children of Earth" July 20-24, two weeks later than the BBC. If you don’t get that channel, it hits DVD and Blu-ray July 28.
Hi Herc
So TORCHWOOD's back, this time in a miniseries format, with one story (CHILDREN OF EARTH) being screened over five hours, one hour a night Monday to Friday this week on BBC1. Ep 1's just finished here in the UK.
The good news is, the Beeb's getting more of a handle on what to do with the concept. Granted, the series 2 finale acted effectively as a reboot, by stripping the cast down to the essentials. However, this time Captain Jack Harkness and company have got something meatier to contend with than the monster-of-the-week material that blighted so much (and particularly so much of series 1) of the earlier outings.
The set-up is lifted straight from John Wyndham's THE MIDWICH CUCKOOS (filmed twice as VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED); aliens have taken over the children. Except here, it's all children, everywhere. A dormant extraterrestrial signal's been reactivated, and it's taking over all the kids. At periods, they just stop, chanting in unison "We are coming" over and over...
Cue Torchwood staff running around (there's some soapy material to give each of the principals more backstory and a personal interest in the case), some excellent guesting from Peter Capaldi (last seen swearing to magnificent effect as Malcolm Tucker from IN THE LOOP) as a twitchy civil servant who knows too much and an awesome Liz May Brice as military queen bitch Johnson.
Throw in a mental patient who can scent alien activity, some impressive visuals, plenty of sneaky government activity, multiple deaths, an assassination squad out to remove Torchwood from whatever the equation is and a pleasing comic touch to the script and ep one at least gives an intriguing opening which should guarantee viewers returning to see how the story pans out.
Though the backstory material is shoehorned in a little too obviously (everyone gets a kid to care about), there's lots to enjoy here.
Script for ep one and five is from Russell T Davies, with eps 2, 3 and 4 contributed by WHO writer James Moran and ROBIN HOOD's John Fay.
Basically, thumbs up, and looking forwards to tomorrow's ep already. A killer last line sets things up marvellously: "We are coming...back!"
Palimpsest
Hi Herc, big follower of yours on the CoAx. Got a review of Torchwood for you if you want to use it
Hey folks, here's my relatively spoiler free review for Torchwood: Children of Earth - DAY ONE
From the off a very interesting teaser, although it reminded me of various mythology scenes from The X-Files. Once the show was underway proper it was very tense and gripping; particularly with Peter Capaldi as John Frobisher…. that man just screams “weight of the world on his shoulders”.
The Torchwood team themselves, well the actors look very at ease and it feels like they’ve slipped back into character like putting on some comfy slippers. You can tell its some time after series 2, but long enough for things to be settled in to a regular routine now.
One thing i wanted to clarify, are Jack and Ianto living together, or is Jack still living at the Hub?
My thoughts on Rupesh? Im so glad he didnt make it past episode one… just didnt feel like he could have been part of the team at all. Yes ok, he had a nice paralell with Gwen’s first discovery of Torchwood, but that was it.
Anyways, i loved the little bits like Ianto’s fantasticly moving “coming out” scene, the pathos broken up with a comedy line that was drastically needed to keep us on course.
I wasn’t overly impressed with Jack and Alice’s scene. It just seemed a little bit “hey look, here’s a bit about Jack you never knew”, though where she and her son fit in in the overall arc i dont know yet.
Best scene in the show for me was Gwen’s visit to Clem in the care home… Eve Myles is such a pro at empathy! I was just amazed by her… it may be her gigantic eyes, but she just gets me every time.
The “spectacular” ending would probably have had more impact for me if i hadnt heard all about it for months in advance.. but i suppose it sets up the teams actions over the next four days.
If you use this call me Mass
Hi Herc,
Gabba-UK here with a short review of the new and 3rd series of Torchwood: Children Of Earth
Well, it seems that RTD has gone all '24' on us. This new series is is a shorter than usual 5 episode's but being broadcast at 9.00 every night Monday to Friday and been promoted to BBC1. What fun.
The story is being told in a Day One, Day Two style and if tonight's first episode is to go by, it's a change of style that will benefit it greatly. I won't go too spoilerific as this seems to be building up rather nicely and the TalkBackers should have some fun discussing it. So I'll leave any spoilers to them.
We start with a prologue set in 60's Scotland and a bus of children being driven and dropped of in the darkness where a big bright light appears and scoops them up.
Back in the present day Cardiff and Gwen, still of course played by the gap-toothed but still strangely incredibly fuckable Eve Myles, is walking to work and the children going to school have stopped. Literally. All over the world in fact and speaking in English 'We are coming'. Which frankly, was creepy as hell to watch.
UNIT are mobilised and Torchwood are investigating. But a mysterious branch of the British civil service is activated who talk of the '456' and blank pieces of paper and a Kill Order issued with a very familiar name and face at the top of the list.....
What was good about it? Most of it actually. The move to BBC1, post watershed or not, has perhaps made RTD reign in a lot of what made some people a little uncomfortable about Torchwood when it was on BBC2, namely the overt use of bisexuality as a theme. It was never a problem with me and if he could somehow crowbar in Gwen getting steamy with a girl again I'll be happy.
But to me, RTD always used bisexuality as a lazy way out of certain situations and why think hard about using wit in one's writing when smut is easier and can still get a titter-ye-not from the audience. Here on BBC1 RTD can't be as in your face and actually had to write like a grown up, something he can do and do very well but only when he's forced to by the situation.
But don't worry too much if you liked the smut and bisexual stuff, it's still there but used sparingly and as a result much more effectively gets RTD's point across. Less is much more Russell, make that your new mantra.
A little spoiler? At the end Capt. Jack has some indigestion that frankly seems a little beyond the healing powers of Rennie Tablets and Pepto Bismol......
So tomorrow then. Gwen and Ianto are picking up the pieces, an adult who was speaking as the children did and a secretary on her first day at the Home Office when it all kicked off, seem to hold some answers. And a government official is supervising the construction of a cage for 'them'.....
Looking forward to it!
Gabba-UK
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So TORCHWOOD's back, this time in a miniseries format, with one story (CHILDREN OF EARTH) being screened over five hours, one hour a night Monday to Friday this week on BBC1. Ep 1's just finished here in the UK.
The good news is, the Beeb's getting more of a handle on what to do with the concept. Granted, the series 2 finale acted effectively as a reboot, by stripping the cast down to the essentials. However, this time Captain Jack Harkness and company have got something meatier to contend with than the monster-of-the-week material that blighted so much (and particularly so much of series 1) of the earlier outings.
The set-up is lifted straight from John Wyndham's THE MIDWICH CUCKOOS (filmed twice as VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED); aliens have taken over the children. Except here, it's all children, everywhere. A dormant extraterrestrial signal's been reactivated, and it's taking over all the kids. At periods, they just stop, chanting in unison "We are coming" over and over...
Cue Torchwood staff running around (there's some soapy material to give each of the principals more backstory and a personal interest in the case), some excellent guesting from Peter Capaldi (last seen swearing to magnificent effect as Malcolm Tucker from IN THE LOOP) as a twitchy civil servant who knows too much and an awesome Liz May Brice as military queen bitch Johnson.
Throw in a mental patient who can scent alien activity, some impressive visuals, plenty of sneaky government activity, multiple deaths, an assassination squad out to remove Torchwood from whatever the equation is and a pleasing comic touch to the script and ep one at least gives an intriguing opening which should guarantee viewers returning to see how the story pans out.
Though the backstory material is shoehorned in a little too obviously (everyone gets a kid to care about), there's lots to enjoy here.
Script for ep one and five is from Russell T Davies, with eps 2, 3 and 4 contributed by WHO writer James Moran and ROBIN HOOD's John Fay.
Basically, thumbs up, and looking forwards to tomorrow's ep already. A killer last line sets things up marvellously: "We are coming...back!"
Palimpsest
Hey folks, here's my relatively spoiler free review for Torchwood: Children of Earth - DAY ONE
From the off a very interesting teaser, although it reminded me of various mythology scenes from The X-Files. Once the show was underway proper it was very tense and gripping; particularly with Peter Capaldi as John Frobisher…. that man just screams “weight of the world on his shoulders”.
The Torchwood team themselves, well the actors look very at ease and it feels like they’ve slipped back into character like putting on some comfy slippers. You can tell its some time after series 2, but long enough for things to be settled in to a regular routine now.
One thing i wanted to clarify, are Jack and Ianto living together, or is Jack still living at the Hub?
My thoughts on Rupesh? Im so glad he didnt make it past episode one… just didnt feel like he could have been part of the team at all. Yes ok, he had a nice paralell with Gwen’s first discovery of Torchwood, but that was it.
Anyways, i loved the little bits like Ianto’s fantasticly moving “coming out” scene, the pathos broken up with a comedy line that was drastically needed to keep us on course.
I wasn’t overly impressed with Jack and Alice’s scene. It just seemed a little bit “hey look, here’s a bit about Jack you never knew”, though where she and her son fit in in the overall arc i dont know yet.
Best scene in the show for me was Gwen’s visit to Clem in the care home… Eve Myles is such a pro at empathy! I was just amazed by her… it may be her gigantic eyes, but she just gets me every time.
The “spectacular” ending would probably have had more impact for me if i hadnt heard all about it for months in advance.. but i suppose it sets up the teams actions over the next four days.
If you use this call me Mass
Gabba-UK here with a short review of the new and 3rd series of Torchwood: Children Of Earth
Well, it seems that RTD has gone all '24' on us. This new series is is a shorter than usual 5 episode's but being broadcast at 9.00 every night Monday to Friday and been promoted to BBC1. What fun.
The story is being told in a Day One, Day Two style and if tonight's first episode is to go by, it's a change of style that will benefit it greatly. I won't go too spoilerific as this seems to be building up rather nicely and the TalkBackers should have some fun discussing it. So I'll leave any spoilers to them.
We start with a prologue set in 60's Scotland and a bus of children being driven and dropped of in the darkness where a big bright light appears and scoops them up.
Back in the present day Cardiff and Gwen, still of course played by the gap-toothed but still strangely incredibly fuckable Eve Myles, is walking to work and the children going to school have stopped. Literally. All over the world in fact and speaking in English 'We are coming'. Which frankly, was creepy as hell to watch.
UNIT are mobilised and Torchwood are investigating. But a mysterious branch of the British civil service is activated who talk of the '456' and blank pieces of paper and a Kill Order issued with a very familiar name and face at the top of the list.....
What was good about it? Most of it actually. The move to BBC1, post watershed or not, has perhaps made RTD reign in a lot of what made some people a little uncomfortable about Torchwood when it was on BBC2, namely the overt use of bisexuality as a theme. It was never a problem with me and if he could somehow crowbar in Gwen getting steamy with a girl again I'll be happy.
But to me, RTD always used bisexuality as a lazy way out of certain situations and why think hard about using wit in one's writing when smut is easier and can still get a titter-ye-not from the audience. Here on BBC1 RTD can't be as in your face and actually had to write like a grown up, something he can do and do very well but only when he's forced to by the situation.
But don't worry too much if you liked the smut and bisexual stuff, it's still there but used sparingly and as a result much more effectively gets RTD's point across. Less is much more Russell, make that your new mantra.
A little spoiler? At the end Capt. Jack has some indigestion that frankly seems a little beyond the healing powers of Rennie Tablets and Pepto Bismol......
So tomorrow then. Gwen and Ianto are picking up the pieces, an adult who was speaking as the children did and a secretary on her first day at the Home Office when it all kicked off, seem to hold some answers. And a government official is supervising the construction of a cage for 'them'.....
Looking forward to it!
Gabba-UK
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Finally something to watch this summer.
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torchwood is flawed to be sure, but cool
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Camp shit.
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William Shatner Bloat Syndrome
He's just not that purdy anymore -
Krod Mandoon, for example. Or Britain's Next Top Model. Or X-Factor. Torchwood is merely mediocre.
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Thge camp is toned well down. The tone has more in keeping with Spooks or Waking the Dead (but with some humour) and far suits being a serial than stand alone episodes. I was impressed. After dislking the first two series, Torchwood finally has found its way.
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Wasnt a big Torchwood fan before tonight but that was fraking awesome. Cant wait til 2mrw
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...is nowhere near complete, obviously.
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is airing its second season, so there is something to watch already this summer. I suggest you watch it.
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After they beat the Daleks it sure seemed like they were joining up with Captain Jack, which was a huge f'ing relief because I like both of them a hell of a lot more than Tosh and Owen. It gave me hope that the show would become less mediocre. Ah well.
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www.freakangels.com no need to buy it in paper form
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I'm sceptical, but will watch this.
My suspicion is that "We are coming back" will refer to a brand new alien threat, rather than one seen before in Dr. Who, since RTD doesn't seem very keen on maintaining continuity.
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if the choices were being stuck in a pinto wagon in a death dive with Henry Gibson proclaiming his love for
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In an end run with all the Daleks in the universe,
And having Captain Captain Jack plant a big wet one one me
You know, for luck
I'd have to choose the big wet one.
1 Jack's a big boy and I can use him as a meat shield
2 Again, Jacks a big boy and when he dies I can hollow him out and hide inside him
3 Oh wait, Jacks imortal, see 1
4 Henry Gibson is really old, and smells like cheese
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just mailed my review to Herc, hopefully he'll use it. And Krod Mandoon???? There has NEVER EVER NEVER EVER been a program on British TV as soul crushingly SHITE as that. I defy you find one. It makes The Black And White Minstral Show look like serious insight into multiculturalism!!!
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Yes, I was surprised when I saw his name at the beginning, but this was surprisingly tight stuff from RTD. There was still a few moments of his kind of whimsy and box ticking which bugs me but they were few and far between. The direction was damned tight as well. Far tighter than Euros Lyn's previous Who & Torchwood episodes. Keep it up, Beeb!
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Its just my opinion. But you guys have got to agree with me about Gwen as portrayed by Eve Myles. That girl would just be so fucking dirty in bed!!!
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Mickey is now an up and coming director (please see Kidulthood etc) and Martha jumped ship to be in the British version of Law & Order with Apollo from BSG. After tonights Torchwood I bet she is kicking herself.
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The new format, has a sense of '24' style urgency about it. It doesn't give you time to think about how silly it all is.
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And I'm still not - I would agree that it is an improvement - especially in RTD's writing, and the first episode did a good job of setting up an intriging mystery. But it is all shot down again in fiery hot flames by the TERRIBLE quality of the acting by the lead cast, especially Eve Myles. Truly awful, suspension of disbelief killing, performance from her tonight. If they put the cast in an actual scene with Peter Capaldi for example, some home truths are gonna be more than self-evident!
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RTD pushing his "OKAY TO BE GAY" agenda - there's a whole fucking subtext about Ianto and Jack that does NOTHING to advance the plot one bit - and finding the time to push his "THERE IS NO GOD" atheist agenda too, all at the expense of a coherent plot, or creating characters even approaching two-dimensional. Ianto is still so wooden you could use him for a bookshelf. Absolute, PC-is-more-important-than-plot rubbish. So, basicaly business as usual for TOUCHWOOD.
There's an interesting discussion on this going on in the JENNIFER'S BODY TB too. But still.
Oh, and Russell: HAVE AN ORIGINAL IDEA THAT ISN'T SOMEONE ELSE'S, JUST FOR FUCKING ONCE! -
Colour me shocked by tonight's show, it was exciting and funny, something I thought this show was allergic too. Kinda feels like its all winding down though or about to go all Angel season 5 on us, I hope for the latter.
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Or it would have been if the show wasn't 3 years old. Your opinions are as usual biased your way, the Jack/Ianto romance was the story furthered tonight, also it isn't subtext if they openly talk about an issue, it's addressing it.
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How is the fact that Ianto and Jack are in a relationship together pushing an "okay to be gay" agenda? Do you object to gay characters on television, or do you just think that the depiction is poorly handled?
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My old Who TB nemesis. Good to hear from you!
Well, they managed to shoehorn some good old plot advancement when Gwen spoke to her fella - the whole idea that Gwen's guy figured out that the aliens must be targeting Britain as the events happened on UK time and the kids spoke in English all over the world. All fitted in with a chat about them buying a house and maybe having babies.
In the whole "Ianto Comin Out" scene, which important plot points did they get in during the "Are you a bender? You take it up the bum?" scene again?
And while we're talking hypocrisy, do you think a straight writer would've got away with a scene like that without being severly castigated by the Beeb elite? But it's OKAY to broadcast anti-gay vulgarity if a GAY writer writes it, eh?
Come on, Smashing. You have to do better than that.
Oh, and ripping off THE MIDWICH CUCKOOS... that's just fucking lazy, RTD. -
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Just very poorly handled, clumsy in a way that betrays RTD's rush to put his PC obsession before the plot. The whole Ianto-at-home-with-his-relatives scene was pointless - dfidn't move the plot forward one iota, other than to get the car stolen. For what reason?
For a supposedly pioneering gay writer, RTD sure is shit at tying in his gay characters to the actual narrative. You could throw Ianto totally out of this series and nothing would change, he's THAT ineffectual. -
Yet again RTD shits all over Doctor Who. Moffat is our only hope now.
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So yeah, it's the depiction I have a problem with. RTD should be forced to watch BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN several times in a row to see how well a gay relationship CAN be handled onscreen.
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Ianto is a horrible character, totally bland. I too thought the plot stopped dead when he visited his relatives.
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Get all het up about RTD and the gay/atheist agenda all you want.That was some cracking Monday night prime time telly right there. It wasn't great but FFS, it was way better than anything else that was on.The part with the kids screaming was genuinely creepy too. So you guys can rant on about whatever phobias or intolerances you have, but let the rest of us talk about enjoyable telly.
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Can't you guys that are railing on the 'pointlessness' of Ianto and his family/jack scenes see something that is commonly known as 'telegraphing'?You don't think this next week is going to suck majorly for his character?
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I agree with you about the gay-boy/bender/take it up the arse line, it was really contrived, a parody of how the working-class talk. Also - not so funny. Though I suppose it isn't too much of a shock seeing as how RTD's writing is so typically "broad".
As for the "coming put" scene itself. I don't have a problem with it per se. It helps to establish more of Ianto's character (gawd knows he needs it) and his relationship with others, especially Jack.
If you have a problem with it because it doesn't further the plot of the alien invasion, then by that account you should dislike any scenes between gwen and her hubby, or of gwen dithering over her pregancy just as much.
These scenes are meant to contextualise the characters, so that you care for them within the greater drama of the alien invasion and what-not. If you don't care for the Ianto/Jack/"gay" scenes then fair enough, but it isn't anything to do with pushing a gay agenda. -
dude - they were doing an autopsy on a fucking WHALE on channel 4. Are you mental?
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I'd agree with you - if there was any character advancement to be had re Ianto / Jack. Ianto's range of emoting goes from "constipated uncomfortable" to "yearning but constipated and uncomfortable" - a frown that doesn't change for four series isn't what you'd call "contextualising". As I say, I'm more confused by the fact that an openly gay writer can write straight characters / couples as three-dimensional, realistic people with needs, goals, arcs and emotions, whereas the gay characters are two-dimensional to the point that they don't actually develop from series to series - Ianto is still a plank, Jack is still covering his deep inner turmoil (if it's actually there at all) with his flippant, guarded exterior - and the only reason they are a couple at all in TORCHWOOD seems to be because RTD wants a gay couple to feature prominently - and his idea of featuring a gay couple prominently in this series is to have some other character say "But you're GAY!" (or something similar) in every other scene. Honestly - how have Ianto and Jack actually developed beyond Ianto staring at Jack with that intense frown, and Jack dropping comments that indicate he's not interested in anything serious? That same state of affairs for two series is unrealistic. And as for the kiss at the end of the episode - where did that come from, if Ianto's too shy to do anything about the relationship and Jack's too guarded? Is it beyond the realms of possibility to suggest that RTD threw that scene in there to rile up the Daily Mail readers?
By "gay agenda", I mean that RTD thinks that furthering the understanding and acceptance of the gay lifestyle within a greater heterosexual viewership can be achieved efficiently by having every other scene refer to Ianto and Jack's relationship or their sexual orientation CONSTANTLY - without it having anything whatsoever to do with the plot.
Bascially, it doesn't feel organic, and it's not me speaking as some bigot or homophobe - it's me speaking as a vehement hater of badly-written issue-driven shit. THE PLOT SHOULD COME FIRST - and tell me what plot we'd have lost had we cut out the scene with Ianto at his relatives, or Ianto and Jack talking outside the Hub? Virtually NONE.
It's clumsy, it's heavy-handed, and - most unforgiveably - it's SOAPBOX WRITING. RTD needs to get back to entertaining his viewers, not telling them what they should and shouldn't find acceptable in everyday life. -
As did my mother in law who I was watching it with. Not because of the comment itself, but because of the way it fitted in with the scene. Which, incidentally, is how these things should be taken - in context. The previous lines were about how the sister was trustworthy, and that line was the payoff - it was a joke about the sister being a loose lipped gossips, and not about being gay.
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Fuck! Missed the Whale autopsy! The elephant was very cool last week - will catch the Whale on playback...
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Heh, I forgot about that, but then again as interesting as that probably was, it's not my cup of tea!
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and they found a really really big one
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Jul 06, 2009 6:16:40 PM CDT
I don't know about Torchwood's gay agenda BUT...
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
...I DO know that Kathy Bates invented gays. Even before she was born, they used to show a picture of her face to cavemen kids and those same kids never wanted to look at a woman again.We are currently living in what the cavemen prophecised as 'The Age Of The Bates' (AKA 'The Coming Of The Beast') which is why there are more gays than ever.Torchwood should do an episode based on this real-life absolute fact.
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It's past midnight here in the UK, and as much as I want to watch Chelsea Lately (that sexy bitch), I needs to hit the hay.
Have a good one y'all. If tomorrow's ep is shit, I'll be back here bringing the hate. Bring me some reasoned arguments, would-be Spud mashers - I'm always up for a good argument!
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You have a point, but I can't help but feel that it is one that will be disproven during the next few days.The Ianto/Jack stuff was handled poorly tonight but I get the impression that it was handled quickly more than it was handled badly.By this I mean that a lot happened tonight, and I get the feeling that the Jack/Ianto/Daughter/Sister thing will have a lot to do with the plot over the next few days, even if it is not apparent right now.Yes, it has been pretty redundant in the past, but lets judge the result a week from now.
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I thought the first season of Torchwood was crap. The second was much better and I think this is better still.
way to include a spoiler in the review up there though. I was surprised when the guy died (ok, not at the exact moment when he died. that was pretty obvious but the scene before that was a surprise) what's not surprising is our favorite anti-gay commenter is back. Why would someone keep watching a show with a gay character in it if you didn't like it? Expecting something to change after so many years is just stupid. -
I've dipped in and out of Torchwood..(no pun intended I promise!) and have generally been unimpressed.
But watched todays ep out of intrigue of the new format and thought it wasn't too bad..watchable. So will tune in for the rest of the week to see how it pans out.
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Indeed - it is a fair gamble, especially if you are only going to be watching other channels instead, if this wasn't on (sounds sad but its true in a lot of cases).
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Jul 06, 2009 6:50:10 PM CDT
Not bad until the last 5 minutes--
by the gospel according to bastardface
--then became laughably bad.
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anyone who watches it is a plebby gobshite
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Looking forward to it.
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...YOU FIND ON AMERICAN TV THESE DAYS YOU FUCKING TWATS.
FFS. WHAT'S BETTER, THAT GODAWFUL NEW VIRTUALITY RUBBISH? CHRIST. THAT HORRID BATTLESTAR FUCKMEUPTHEASSICA? WHICH WAS GOOD FOR THE FIRST 5MIN OF SEASON ONE THEN BECOME UNWATCHABLE? -
RTD scripts are so haphazardous. this ep was pretty good. nice set-up of a story, we'll see how it goes forward.
i dont understand why everyone is always worried about jack, the man can't fucking die.
nice setup of the Indian doctor, didn't think he was who he was. i'll give rtd one thing, he's all inclusive of everyone, black, Indian, gay whatever. would have been nice to have a regular Asian as part of the team. whatever did happen with mickey? -
This show is just awful! AWFUL!!
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God bless the gays, may they be happy and all that, but I don't watch TV to see that stuff. That's why I stopped watching Torchwood: I got tired of being beat over the head with it.
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They carried the last season at the same time as BBCA. Low-budget British Sci-Fi looks better in HD.
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It's too bad they killed of 40% of the team and 2/3rds of the good characters in the S2 finale. This will help tide me over until Fall TV.
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that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually.
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BBCA is using Torchwood to premier their hd channel so I doubt hdnet will be showing torchwood.
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we heard all winter was that Susan Boyle shit.
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If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it.
Yep, a lot of British TV is shit. It used to be the best in the world, until it was tabloidised etc & now it sucks for the most part. In that sense you're right.
But to say "Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty".".....No we don't. I'm British & I don't give a shit about royalty.
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How can you possibly say Torchwood is better than BSG? That's insane.
BSG pisses all over Torchwood, Doctor Who & pretty much any British sci-fi since the 60's & 70's, when we were good at it.
Also, people complaining about the gay stuff in torchwood are right. Because it's heavy-handed, PC shit. There were gay people on BSG too, but it wasn't done like on Torchwood where everybody's at least Bi-sexual.
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PRIMEVAL? TORCHWOOD is 100 times better than that shit! And I don't even like Torchwood any more!!!
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At least on Torchwood they don't feel the need to turn the gay characters psychotic, or chop of their limbs as an outward expression of how "half-a-man" they are.
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I actually did like a couple of the TENANT Who Eps. I only get to watch them on Sci-Fi (SyFy). Have you seen any of his last Episodes? Don't know when we'll get them here!
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i'd just like to add, that if there's one thing that I don't like about SOME Americans, it's that they look for any excuse to insult other countries & be rabidly nationalistic.
So, we get ChoclateWoman, saying that we "Adore" the concept of royalty. A blatant untruth. Then lockesbrokenleg, saying "They're" making fun of American TV, when as far as I could see, it was TITBAG doing his TITBAG thing.
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I haven't seen any for ages. I live in Japan. I saw some of Ecclestone's & a few of Tenant's, but I wasn't hugely impressed.
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Do you really think they did that to Gaeta because he was a gay character? Then why would they make him gay in the first place?
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You're queen of the back alleys.
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I think the thing abiout Davies is that he's about as subtle as a sledgehammer.
I don't mind him showing that gay people exist & some people have alternative lifestyles, that's reality. But he doesn't stop at just having gay characters, he has to ram it down our throats (no pun intended).
It's as if he doesn't just wanna promote homosexuality, but promiscuity & generally acting like a sleazy fucker, when the vast majority of Torchwood's viewers are little kids, due to the Doctor Who/Sarah Jane link.
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Have you ever seen Sanctuary? If so, what do you think of it? Ir's also a little hit and miss for me.
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That's online though right? I keep meaning to check it out.
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It was weird watching the show in the first season, where it was pure sci fi. Then, it became some weird ass issues show. BSG was never an issues show. It was about people finding Earth.
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Don't really know if its online, but if it is, check out NUBBINS. A light quirky comedy Episode.
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brilliant! so so good!
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are going to do a Dr Who movie: http://tinyurl.com/m26ce6
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you're a douche. BSG was FULL UP with political allegory. it was infinitely more an 'issue show' than 'torchwood', and having said that BSG was not an issue show either. Having gay characters does not make a show an 'issue show'. You have the issues... not the show.
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Your subject line is a completely inane statement. There were TWO whole gay relationships on BSG, and one of them wasn't even on the fucking show, it only happened in webisodes. Actually, the body of your post is fucking retarded too. The show was DESIGNED as a fucking "issues" show. It was designed in the wake of 9/11 to examine how society would function after a massive trauma of that sort. The first season, the season without any so-called "issues", contained one of the best episodes of the series, Flesh and Bone, focused completely on the ISSUE of torture! Note that it aired ten months after the Abu Ghraib torture scandal news broke. The first season also featured the beginning of the remarkably coherent series long arc of turning Baltar from a man of science to a man of faith. And speaking of faith, this season also fully elucidated the series long conflict between the Colonials and Cylons and their polytheistic and monotheistic beliefs. If faith and conflict between religions isn't an "issue", I'm not quite sure what the fuck is.
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Thanks for the link. I'm going to Comic Con and will definitely check it out!
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It has smut, a distinctly British (Welsh) identity, is sci-fi and doesn't take itself too seriously. However it's just so...amatuer?
Since day one it's been BEGGING to be various other shows (with plots lifted straight out of them and occasionally hell the actors from them too) and it's mistaking 'camp' as 'just plain lazy and awkward in parts'.
Doctor Who has the whimsy charm (and in Tenant at the moment a charasmatic intelligent leading man) to move it beyond it's plot and story shortfalls. This has John 'BBC Jack of all trades, master of none' Barrowman and an unconventionally attractive female lead but lumpy story telling that I'm guessing this will culminate in some convoluted reset button affair.
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Seriously. Cardiff?
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I KNOW the new one was an issues so, but it got so into issues in seasons 3 and 4, that it lost focus. Go look at Season one, and then Season Three. The show changed a lot. Of course, the nice guy on the ship turns out gay or bi, and has a ton of issues. The women on the BSG series were messed up, So messed up to the point where some didn't even give a shit anymore. Look at the episode 33, and then at the last episode. A WORLD of difference.
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have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed.
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Some guy without FAIL has to post what he THINKS is an enlightened point of view: "I don't care if there are gay people on TV, but just don't ramp it down my throat". There's also the popular, "I don't have a problem with gay people, but why does every show have to have a gay character?"
There was a chorus of that bullshit after "Brokeback Mountain" came out. People were saying, "Now EVERY movies going to be about gay people.” And then there was a near THREE YEAR GAP from 2005-2008 until another high profile gay-themed Hollywood film was released, 'Milk'. And you'll notice after last year’s financial and critical success of 'Milk', somehow the avalanche of gay-themed films is still yet to occur.
My point is, a lot of times it might SEEM to a straight guy that he is being inundated with gay characters in movies and TV... But, it might just SEEM that way because you don't know a gay person.
So, for instance, in the world of 'Battlestar Galactica', if 2 characters OUT OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE turn out to be gay… That IT SELF would be a science fiction plot.
And if by chance you do have a gay friend or family member that you care about, and it STILL burns your ass when there's a gay character in a TV show... Please take a moment to realize that while this is a character you do not relate to, this might be the ONE character your friend can FULLY relate to...
Especially in the rare case that the character isn't a completely insulting stereotype.
PS: The over-the-top gay [fill in the blank with an occupation] character is not now, nor has it ever been an effort to entertain gay people. They are generally added to make Midwestern housewives laugh... So please don’t confuse that as part some “gay agenda” to dominate your DVR.
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On Torchwood Captain Jack has always seemed to be a different character that just happened to be played by the same guy and have the same name as the Captain Jack on Doctor Who. Jack is always more interesting on Who where he doesn't have to be the guy with the answers or the responsible one. This first episode was entertaining but I prefer to think of it as a different universe than Who. For my money Sarah Jane Adventures has been the most entertaining Who-related show even if it is a "kiddie" show.
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There are gay people on there. The Ellem Degeneres thing was the starting poi8nt. The doors opened and every show had to have an edgy gay character or scenes. Sometimes it's just forced and it makes you shake your head. Hell, Most of the trendy YV shoes theses days have gay characters on them.
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RTD is a writer who would be excellent on soaps like Eastenders and Corrie but on Who and Torchwood he is awful.
The scenes where Ianto and Jack go to visit their family was painful to watch. Jacks scene with his daughter could have been amazing and dark in the hands of a good writer like Steve Moffat, but under RTD it was like one big long Eastenders cliche. Just. Pure. shit.
A story is only as strong has its characters and Torchwood is weak. And why is Gwen is fucking alive!? I hope to fucking god that Gwen gets killed off. Painfully. Clive Barker Hellraiser painful. Gwen is like a sopa opera character imposed/photoshopped into a sci fi environment. It doesnt work. There no dignity in her character. Give her a dgnified PAINFUL death.
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So this week end I just happen to discover that Doctor Who has jumped from Sci-Fi to BBCA. I don't remember this being covered on AICN. Then, I find out that the first of the last four Tennant specials aired back on my birthday (6/26), just in time to miss any reshowings. Seriously, how does an American premiere of a Doctor Who special get no coverage on Coaxial?!
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Well, at least most of them can spell the word 'chocolate'. Dumb ass!
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With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead.
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Again, you're an ass.
"Of course, the nice guy on the ship turns out gay or bi, and has a ton of issues."
The fact that he was bi was back story to flesh out the character... It was not meant to destroy your fantasy of a 100% straight BSG crew. I assure you the creators never intended to hurt you to the point that you're STILL bitching about it months after the show ended... If it really keeps you up at night, just pretend that in your BSG dreams, he's straight… even if he was SOOOOOOOOOO bi.
6's sexuality was completely overt, but I've yet to see you post about how painful that was when they rammed that fact down your throat.
And yes, whether they were gay, straight, bi, or Starbuck, MANY CHARACTERS HAD BAGGAGE BY THE END OF THE SERIES.
His leg was a visual metaphor for the things that had been taken away from him over the course of the series. And breaking from the cartoon tradition, legs don't grow back in the next scene on BSG.
Felix had weak character (WHICH WAS INTERESTING!) and given the fact that he'd been run through the mud over and over, he eventually had a down fall.
The mutiny was one of most badass eps towards the end of the series and it was tied to Gaeta's ruin... If it wasn't a character Adama trusted so completely, it would have mattered less.
How do you like a show like Lost or BSG and fail to understand a plot point can make you sad or even angry and still be entertaining?
You remind me of my mom.
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I liked BSG. It was an awesome show. I thought how they handled Felix. He was very nearly airlocked by HIS OWN CREW, and then they had to go mess his character up. Yes, I realize that Six is sexual, but she uses that to manipulate other characters. It was used to good effect. NOT just a story point. As for Felix, it would have been nice to see something GOOD happen to him ONCE. Instead, he, like most of the shows characters, were raked through the coals.
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So far the series has tried so hard to be "adult" that it comes across as juvenile. The frontline of our defense against aliens is pretty much ruled by hormones and petty conflicts. To its credit, most of the episodes did move rather quickly, but most of the attempts to be "edgy" severely undermined any sort of logic about how the team would actually have to function if it were to be effective. I really want to like this show more than I do, but I usually feel like you could pick a few random people off the street and they could behave more professionally and make more rational decisions than most of the characters on this show do.
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It’s really not your place to tell me the state of entertainment targeted to gay people.
I know there are a lot of gay characters on TV. My point is that more often than not, these characters aren't treated like other characters.
Their relationships are short lived, or largely off screen, or they just don't exist...
On 'Will & Grace', a WILDY POPULAR show about a gay and straight pair of friends, the gay guy didn't have a real boyfriend for the first 7 or 8 seasons of a 9 season run.
I don't expect you to know that, but it SEEMS like you don't know or care much about learning about gay culture
Which is why I find it fascinating that a throwaway line that a character is bi could fucking set you on fire.
Why do you care? I cannot and probably will not ever understand why simply having a character be gay as opposed to being straight makes straight men feel they’re being attacked. And if you don’t feel you’re under assault to some degree, please keep your bitching to yourself.
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Really enjoyed it - but I miss the theme tune!
They mentioned Martha - fair play - but no mention of Mickey Smith, last scene leaving Doctor Who to join Jack at Torchwood?
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Jul 07, 2009 2:53:44 AM CDT
"John 'BBC Jack of all trades, master of none' Barrowman"
by scratchmonkey
You've got that right. What a talentless bunch of ubiquitous cunt that bloke is. The BBC really needs to stop grooming him to be the next Graham Norton.
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For one, the ass thing was out of line… noted.
As Geata's bisexuality not being vital enough to the plot, you're talking shit. I could go through any episode and pick out 50 things that are there for no more purpose than to hint at some insight into the secondary characters' lives. It's these little details that were dropped along the way that made Geata interesting in the first place.
I will not claim to understand why it bothers YOU so much, but I've had may a conversation where an angry straight guy is simply annoyed that the 'bi' thing was thrown in for no other reason than to please gay people.
If this applies to you, I've suggested it might be because you get no added benefit to learning Geata is bi... however, a gay or bi person might look back and think differently about the character and gain a new perspective, I suggest this possibility, because I FOR ONE saw the character differently.
The one thing I know for sure, is NOBODY was aiming to please you with this revelation. If you can accept that you are not THE ONLY audience for the shows you watch, it might be easier to watch them without getting so bent out of shape.
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...five minutes forty-eight seconds.Russell, you're gay, we get it, but are you so shallow and insecure that every single thing you write has to be liberally flavoured by your need to broadcast and justify your own sexuality?Is the fact that you're gay truly all that defines you? Is it? How sad.
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... can we just agree 'lost' kicks ass? i feel the need to find some common ground.
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Imagine him writing this one. Not so much campness, far more spookiness and a bit more subtlety around the wholesale ripping-off of John Wyndham.Oh Russell, you hack...
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you're silly. this is series 3. the characters are bi. why are you still watching if references to bisexuality send you into a time stamp checking frenzy? How sad.
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Actually, by S3 the characters sexuality should be ingrained in them that it doesn't need to be constantly talked about. Jack and Ianto are gay? Great. We don't need characters we've never met to tell us they're gay.
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Why is it whenever a decent british sci fi show comes out, british people flock here in their droves and pretend they know about good script writing? wer-er-er theres not enough plot advancement wer-er-er theres not enough characterisation. I'm sick of it. This is the BEST british Sci fi in years!!! Do you think you could do better? The characters are likeable, the dialogue is sharp and witty, and the plot is ....well i dont know about that, i've only seen episode 1. But so far....i'm tolerant and accepting. Give it a chance Britain! Or would you rather see a double bill of "hole in the wall"?
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As an intergalactic paedo?
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See 28 DAYS LATER, which nicks the opening of DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS. Speaking of which, the BBC (on arts channel BBC4) is currently re-running the splendid early 80s version of TRIFFIDS, partly in preparation for a new version the Beeb's premiering in late 2009. It's interesting that with WHO, TORCHWOOD, TRIFFIDS, MERLIN, SARAH JANE ADVENTURES, SURVIVORS (yes, that got re-commissionned too, and there'll be a new BBC series of that before Christmas), the Beeb's unafraid to present SF/fantasy as mainstream entertainment. The trick for them is to develop original material, rather than rely on remakes, spin-offs and retellings.
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Never seen it before, chief. I've always been put off by Captain Jack, as I couldn't stand the character every time he popped up in Doctor Who. However, the BBC plugged this as and adult sci-fi 'event' and from the trailers it looked as if they were going for a Quatermass-style, thought-provoking storyline. Alas, it doesn't look like that's going to be the case, does it? Just more of the same Captain Jack/RTD 'issues' that we've been spoon-fed ever since the character was introduced...Mr. Zeddemore has put this more succinctly that I, though...
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I'm interested to see how that'll come across. Basically a 21st century retelling of the Holmes stories, this is a collaboration between The Moff and LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN / WHO alumnus Mark Gatiss. A single one hour pilot's been filmed (screening at Christmas 09?). Geeks will rejoice at the casting of Martin Freeman as Watson. Benedict Cumbernatch is Holmes (he looks the part, tho I'm not sure I've ever seen him act) and Rupert Graves gets to bluster as Lestrade. Gatiss can do dark comic pastiche in his sleep (check out his Lucifer Box novels and graphic novels) and The Moff is the UK's go-to guy of the moment for genre entertainment. There are concerns that this material might be getting overworked (the Guy Ritchie movie, HOUSE essentially doing Holmes in a hospital for the last five years, two relatively recent
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Quartermass-style? More like quarterass style. It's not awful, save for the scene where characters we've never met make jokes about Ianto being gay... and he sits there, taking them, because he's a plank of wood. But it's just rather dull. And the dullest part is how you have a three person team and a government conspiracy... but nothing of note happens. For an entire hour. They've spent money on noise!
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Jul 07, 2009 4:44:49 AM CDT
The reason that Jack and Ianto's sexuality was mentioned...
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...is probably because they're expecting new viewers that have never seen the show with it being on BBC 1 for the first time. Also the same reason they had a scene to establish Gwen's relationship with her boyfriend and a scene where somebody reads about Torchwood. It's there to establish the backstory for people who've never seen the show.
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I can see how people would fear it's being overworked, but Moffet's Jekyl was fantastic. Infinitely better than anything on Dco Who.
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period adaptations from the BBC and so on. We'll see. But again, it shows the Beeb's commitment to genre entertainment, if it also shows they're playing safe for the moment.
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JEKYLL was great, but it wasn't as good as Moffatt's "Blink" ep for WHO. Still, JEKYLL reminds us again why we're in safe hands with The Moff.
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The big deal is that it's unsubtle and poorly done. At the start of Serenity, Joss Whedon reintroduces almost every character from the show without it feeling false. We see their world and personalities through how they act naturally. They aren't subject to 'oh, you're a mechanic ey? How is that working out for you?' crap dialogue.
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Not a fan of Blink. I don't think Doctor Who does 'horror' the way that I want horror done. Granted it's better than the way Hollywood does it, but still.
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I just watched it and in the first 30 seconds, I said "Huh, it's like Cocoon, where one of the old guys/kids stays behind." I know intellectually, that it's a common trope, used as far back as the Pied Piper of Hamlin. But then, I thought to myself "Oh, I've seen i the trailers and shit that the kids all over the world are saying "We are coming ... back". I bet the ones returning are the kids who were abducted. They'll have freaky powers and shit."
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Wow - that'a astute. What did you make of the ep?
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Don't get me wrong, for most of its run Torchwood has been depressingly mediocre. It's just that a lot of the complaints here are that it pushes a "gay agenda", not that it's wildly inconsistent in tone and doesn't have anything even remotely resembling a coherent, believable universe.
And I'm a big fan of Whedon, but his dialogue is rarely natural. (Nor is RTD's, but in a different way. And for the most part Whedon's is better.)
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Oh, I'm bashing the shit writing. It's just that the shit writing comes about because RTD has, for three seasons, made almost every character bisexual - thus making it so that none of them are remotely consistent or possessive of personalities. As for Whedon - the dialogue is stylistic, but ingrained in character. On Torchwood, none of the characters have a personality.
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I agree. I watch Torchwood because I still think the concept has potential, but I'm aware that it's almost masochistic at this point. 27 episodes in and I think I've enjoyed maybe 6 of them, and even those had fairly obvious flaws. But my girlfriend likes the show, often for the very things that bug the shit out of me.
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All the characters being bisexual would have been fine if they were written well.
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What did I make of the episode?
I thought the acting was very bad in places. Like when Gwen pointed at the child and said "Jack, look!" or something. Was she trying not to laugh? Did they use "blocking" footage for the shot? I dunno, but it was bad acting.
I liked the surprise reveal about Jack's daughter. I liked the usage of Gwen's bloke.
I didn't care much for the way the UK government is represented. It seems to be a major flaw in RTD's writing. He has either no understanding of, or no ability to convey, the way government works. Or reacts to crises. A first day temp being given someone elses password? That password being something as hackable as "Hastings"? Foolishness.
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BATTLESTAR FUCKMEUPTHEASSICA TURNED OUT TO BE THE MOST OVERRATED SHITE IMAGINABLE. CHRIST ON A BIKE. TALK ABOUT PREACHING AND PC AND MEANINGLESS SOCIAL COMMENTARY. OMFG. AT LEAST TORCHWOOD WEARS THAT ON IT'S SLEEVE AND HAS DONE SO FROM DAY ONE.
WITH BATTLESTAR FUCKMEUPTHEASSICA IT WAS 5MIN OF PURE SCIFI BLISS FOLLOWED BY 4 1/2 SEASONS OF UTTER FUCKING MORONIC CHARLETON HESTON AS MOSES IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS OLD TESTAMENT BULLSHIT.
"SWINGGGG LOOOWW. SWEEEEEET CHAAARIOOOOTTTTEE."
"COMMMIN' FOR TOOOO CARRRRY ME HOOOMEEEE"
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..THE BATTLESTAR FUCKMEUPTHEASSICA TO START SINGING OLD TIME SOUTHERN GOSPEL HYMNS BY THE END OF THE SEASON. I THOUGHT, OKAY, ANYTIME NOW....
PURE SHITE
AND AFTER THE 2ND SEASON WAS THERE EVEN ANOTHER CYLON BATTLE SCENE? I MEAN A GOOD OLE FASHION BATTLE ROYALE? NAY. THERE WAS NOT. INSTEAD WE GOT HOURS UPON HOURS OF GAIUS BALLSACK AND HIS ENDLESSLY STUPID STORY ARC WHERE HE PRATTLES ON ABOUT THE ONE TRUE GOD.
AMEN, BROTHERS AND SISTERS
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With a name (& a mouth) like that, I just know you take it up the wrong 'un.
It's ok to admit it. So you take it in the tradesman's entrance? That's ok.
You're slack in the back? YOur arse whistles when you're kissed? Don't worry.
You don't need to be an angry little dwarf. Just take your sheets to be dry cleaned. Job's a good 'un. -
FFS STOP DANCING AROUND THE ISSUE AND JUST MAN UP AND ASK CHOCOLATEBROAD IF HE'D LIKE TO LICK YOUR TAINT.
CHRIST, I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR YOU FOREVER. -
Only 3 more episodes of RTD Who to get through until Steven Moffat takes over, a much better writer.
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I loved this. Who fan for years, and British, and I hated Torchwood Season 1, and a huge portion of Season 2, but this took most of the problems, and rather than removing it, improved aspects I wanted gone, and made them watchable. If Season 1 had been like this, then it would be part of my collection. But hell, I hate on RTD, but you guys don't appreceate that he brought back Who, or the fact that the guy is writting for kids more so then us. Not a great exuse, but hell, the guy has to make Who appeal to a whole new market, and make it popular.
And he's proven he can write an episode well (Midnight, although would have worked better as a 20 minute episode, was a good example of this). So before bashing him, remember that.
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I should know it, but you guys are far to hard to please.
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There's no way this was as bad as you lot are making out. The Gwen bit ("Jack., look!") was awful though.
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The Dark Shite, calm down on the misogyny. Four in one post seems a bit much.
ChoclateWoman - don't accidentally label an entire nation of dudes with your small worldview - makes you sound like a prick(ette).
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I hope that's true. An eternity of you would be worse than losing my knob in a freak Dyson accident & coming back as a ghost with the nozzle still attached.
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Won't do it again Boss.
Seriously, check out some of her posts. She says far worse things than I did...
Specifically the one mentioning "wierd women issues", "inbred wierdos", "ugly Queens", "Retardation" etc. NOTHING accidental in what she said.
The woman's a fucknut. Plain & simple. Mysogyny is hating women.
I love women. Just 'cause I wouldn't touch choclatefuckup with somebody else's equipment, it doesn't equal mysogyny. -
where a man hates women almost as much as women hate other women.
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I think most of the comments here have been positive, even from people like myself who generally don't like what RTD writes.
Personally, I don't care if he hamfists bisexuality and gayness into every scene. I just don't care. Some people clearly do, but if that's the only reason they dislike RTD's writing, well, one could argue their homophobia is blinding them.
But the fact is, RTD usually has plenty of stuff in his scripts which can annoy any SF viewer with more than 9 years of life experience on this planet.
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Mad talkbackers aside, this one's a doozy. Hopefully we can keep this talkback going over the week as we hit the highs and lows of Torchwood either being shit, predictable, or fandabeedozee.
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Like I said, it's not that he includes it. It's that he does so ineptly. It's one of his flaws, along with having a great scene that he NEVER GETS BACK TO.
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I'VE REGISTERED AT AICN PURELY TO INFORM YOU THAT YOU ARE A CUNT.
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AS OPPOSED TO THE SHITE AGENDA PROPAGATED BY RON MOORE?
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AS OPPOSED TO THE UTTER FUCKING NONSENSE AGENDA PROPAGATED BY JOSH WHEADON?
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No confusion sir, I understood your point.
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There's been far worse Torchwood. Fuck, some of the S1 episodes demanded a refund.
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Which do you think was the worst Torchwood? I remember really hating Countrycide and the one with Gwen's wedding.
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Whether your points are valid or not, you're coming across as a total fuckwit.
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In your post above on British males, in your last sentence you mistakenly wrote in Princess Diana instead of Michael Jackson. Now your sentence makes perfect sense.Oh, and you sound more like a COCOA DOUCHEBAG!That is all!
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But let's be fair, he probably has to keep the Caps Lock on with one hand devoted solely to jerking off to gay porn.
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Whether or not the points you make are valid or not, you have to be the most annoying poster i've seen on this site. Caps lock isn't big and clever. We can still hear you.
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A plank of wood could emote more than most Dr. Who actors
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So funny.
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Nice diving double pistol action there from the welsh wonder
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Your work at Torchwood has taught you to stare blankly at a car following you.
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forgot to mention that
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Gwen's first task should be to find Ianto and use him as a shield. Surely he is dense enough to stop bullets?
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This show should be called Pinkwood.
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He's a drip and a plank. The bullets would pass through his soggy form.
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As the government puts the pieces of Jack in the same place, so he can then reform. Idiots.
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Is just me or does a thick welsh accent make every one sound like they are overracting ie Ianto's family/
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is this thing ever going to let anyone edit a post?
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yeah, all the bits in one bag. suppose it saves on the cgi costs. Government cutbacks and all
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Aye. Not sure what the money IS being spent on, mind.
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I prefer mine medium rare.
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you and i the only ones watching this? or is everyone else too polite to spoil it?
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They may have standards. Better than last night by far, but I still wish something good was on.
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Probably drying their tears from that 3 hour promotional exercise, i mean memorial service
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thats just finished showing on every other channel in the multiverse.
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Or is Captain Jack being sprayed with a very oily substance?
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this girl is atemp on her second day and now she's panning ambushes? Credibility like knicker elastic
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i can spell usually. honest
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GO IANTO
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Yeah, it's implausible... but they're writing a fun story. And Ianto saving the day was awesome.
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It's the trendy thing to do. Seriously, nobody in the US cares about Torchwood. The average Joe on the street has never heard of it. 99% of the average viewers have never heard of it. Move on.
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Your country gave us Dane Cook.
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CNN is rehashing the same shit over and over again.
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Still achingly stupid at times. (Eg. Was the sniper at the beginning chosen for his ability to miss a man running in a straight line away from him at a distance of about 100 metres?)But as Mr. Zeddemore pointed out, at least it had some fun to it. Although perimeter security at that army base is worse than at the school where I work.
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So while it's slightly off topic, I'll just say Bruno is short, disjointed, playing more like a series of sketches. (And yeah, the Michael Jackson / La Toya jackson bit is removed.)
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than watch that shit.
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I'M ALWAYS GAME FOR HARD COCK.
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World's worst sniper (though the laser sight on Gwen's eye was a cool image); the aliens have obviously read / seen CONTACT; Gwen does a bit of John Woo - stylee diving with handguns; reasonable practical make-up FX; Ianto kicks some arse (you almost think they're working up to a "kicking the back door in" joke); some very neat lines indeed ("If she's anti-terrorist, I wouldn't mind being Uncle Terrorist"), a sense of fun throughout, and some naked male bums. Basically they're taking the piss and having fun with guns and aliens and conspiracies on the telly. Good on 'em.
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Thoroughly enjoying the new mini series, that whacking great hole in the middle of Cardiff was very convincing - the exploding truck (that we never saw explode) maybe less so. Loving that Gwen (by far the grooviest and best of the bunch) is getting the lions share of the action. It's all gearing up toward an excellent series with lots of action and fun and character development and... Lordy what more could you ask for? I have a feeling the very nice black woman from the ministry is being set up as a new Torchwood member. So she'll die heroically on Day Five.
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RTD didn't write this one and you could tell. Some people are taking this far too seriously. It's a piece of escapist sci-fi hokum over a week of some, frankly, piss poor TV scheduling. And I'm not gonna apologise for this but I am nursing a semi every time Gwen pulls her bristols... I mean pistols!!
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Thank god, I was worried it would get bumped for the MJ self promotion excercise by "Rev" Al Sharpton & those other wankers.
Enjoyed Torchwood, despite Jack being in 1 piece after being encased in concrete & dropped down a quarry. But still, any excuse for Jack to show his arse (and almost front bum) - that guy is such a tart.
Yet after 3 series STILL NO GWEN NAKEDNESS!!!! WTF???!!!
Torchwood is full of gay shit & nude blokes, and not a single nude woman in the whole run. Bastards.
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is what i like to say after i've released my load. cause i'm posh like.
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joining Torchwood was bollcks after all then.
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only exceeded by the girth of his fat ass. You are one hateful male and there's a reason women don't come to this site. Because of sexist assholes like you. So fuck you buddy. Sure I love it up the rump. I'm open minded. But only a woman hater and closet homphobe like yourself would take that as negative. Die already and let the real people discuss real tv and movie related news.
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Repulsive in every way. I refer you to your statement earlier where you said "suck my clit", to some guy.
YOU weren't talking about TV shithead. YOU. I was. & I'm not Homophobic either (if you read my posts).
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Agyeman had intended to join Torchwood and plans were in the works for her to do so. Unfortunately for us, she was hired onto the new Law and Order: UK series which precluded her from joining Torchwood permanently. Sadly, not only is she wasting her talents on a dull procedural, Jamie Bamber from BSG joined her as well. It really depresses me that great actors who have been a part of incredible shows (like BSG, Deadwood, and Rome) have to take their acting cred from those shows and parlay that into a role on a piece of shit procedural like Law & Order or CSI--where their talents will be completely wasted--just so they can actually make some money.
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who get on here lately. You say let the real people talk about TV, that's what I was doing.
Unfortunately, this site has gained a few people who get exicted by being offensive to others for no reason. Not mentioning the subject at hand, not mentioning the TV show or movie being discussed, but being offensive to any poster above for no reason, then scuryying behind tbheir PC & feeling really esxcited that they did a naughty thing.
That's you. So don't pretend that you were talking about the show & being mature, (in the hope that people won't look up & see your insane hate filled drivel that you posted), because the proof is there. You're a pig. Now fuck off back to the docks you foul mouthed harpie. -
WHOOOO!
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They're big & strong like my dad.
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with the ladies. Fact of the matter is you hate all women and resent being shown up by one, hence the hateful words to all womankind. Mommy must have force fed you her cooch for a while to build up that kind of woman hate, lard ass. And nice name, you racist asshole.
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No I don't hate all women, I jujst don't like your xenophibic comments & I also don't appreciate you trying to turn it around, as if you were bieng normal & talking about TV, while I was somehow being sexit & homophobic.
The reality is still there for all to see. You were horrible.
"Hateful words for all womankind"????
There's only one thing worse than a xenophobic hate filled woman & that's a xenophobic hate filled woman, who doesn't have the courage of her convictions.
You can't hide what you said. It's there. Are you insane?
As for "racist", YOU were the racist one. My name isn't racist. It's a pun. A play on words of the Darlk Knight.
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who read her words, accusing me of racism/sexism etc, you can just look up.
Not thqat it's important of course. It isn't really worth your time. But she's full of shit. She started it with her vulgar xenophobia & offensive remarks. Now that I've commented on it, she's hiding behind her gender. & making unfounded accusations, which personally I find offensive.
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BUSTED. A Woman hater and a racist. Life must be great with all the tin foil wrapped around your fat intolerant head.
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You've gone too far.
Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar.
Before I'd spoken to you:
by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009
10:28:40 PM
"There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually."
I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty.
Later....
by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009
01:27:59 AM
"Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed."
What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart??
To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name...
"With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead."
THAT is your sole contribution to the TB.
So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities.
You're a frucking liar.
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just the crazy rants of a fopul mouthed, xenophobe.
The only worse thing is that you thought you could wait & post later, as if you're the one being mature & talking about TV & then accuse ME of the things you did.
Well, I'm too smart to let you do that. Everyone can see the truth. Now as I said, get back to the docks you foul mouthed harpie. The sailors is a' waitin. -
& her bullshit posts trying to paint me as the things she is won't work...
Did anyone see the remarks from John Barrowman saying he feels the show has been "punished" by being changed into a week long show instead of a series?
I'm in Japan, so I haven't seen it yet, but I can only imagine moving to BBC1 & having a concentrated run would actually improve the quality. -
It won't keep all the evil coloured alien probes out. "OH NOES, TEH BLACKS AND TEH WOMIN R COMING TO GIT ME!! HERE'S THE PROOFF I'M INNOOOCENT!! INOCENT I TELLJA!!". Hahaha, keep going, you racist sexist retard. Keep digging that deep hole in the shitpit that is your life. Everybody is watching you. Really.
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Leave it alone. Now you just look like calling me sexist/racist etc is just your way of trying to offend me (which it probably is)..
BECAUSE I've posted your comments. You've been shown for what you are. I'm talking abiout the actual show, you know, the subject we're supposed to talking about??
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& your comments & accusations can be seen as bullshit by anyone who wanted to read the TB. You're the sexist, you're the racist. Your comments are there to see.
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You know, the worst part is that you're such a coward that you can't even stand by your convictions. You have no integrity as a human being. You've also got a potty mouth, which is very unattractive in such an un-educated woman.
You had to go & pretend like I was being sexist etc further up, when really you were the one being sexist AND xenophobic. I don't know why you care so much that people who hadn't read the whole TB would get that impression. But for some reason you wanted to paint me in that way & I caught you out. You also insinuated that I was a racist because my name is The Dark Shite. That shows you as the racist. My name is simply a pun on British slang & a movie title.
I wouldn't mind your brainded spamming if you stuck to your guns. I might even enjoy beating you in a verbal spat, but you're a coward hiding behind bullshit PC allegations of things I never even said. I was talking TV. You used the TB to bve bigoted & repulsive. You've shown yourself.
From now, if you talk to me, I'll just keep reposting your TB comments, thus depriving you of the one thing you want, which is to pretend you were being mature & I was the one saying the stuff you said.
Like so:-)..
You've gone too far.
Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar.
Before I'd spoken to you:
by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:40 PM
"There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually."
I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty.
Later....
by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009 01:27:59 AM "Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed."
What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart??
To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name...
"With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead."
THAT is your sole contribution to the TB.
So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities.
You're a fucking liar.
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into a paranoid dribbling mess who posts on this TB like someone with an obsessive personality disorder has been my pleasure, dark douche. Especially because you hate women and black people so much, as EVERY SINGLE POST of yours on this TB as shown. I don't need to quote you in my posts because all the proof is there for everyone to see and laugh at you with. And since that was your last and final post above, we won't be reading any more of your hate filled delusional bile on this TB, right? Hope so. I'm mailing this link to all my GF's so they can laugh at how tiny your dick is, fatso.
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You were bigoted, foul mouthed, xenophopic & sexist, then tried to turn it around, using your credentials as a woman to insinuate that I was the bad one. "Oh pweese help me, the nasty man is picking on me" Bullshit. It's the other way around. You're a nasty bitch & if anything the only one demeaning women is you by using your gender to curry favour.
As I said, the more lies you tell, the more I'll just repost your comments & point out that those comments were the ONLY contribution you've made to this TB.
Like so:-)..
You've gone too far.
Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar.
Before I'd spoken to you:
by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:40 PM
"There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually."
I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty.
Later....
by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009 01:27:59 AM "Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed."
What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart??
To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name...
"With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead."
THAT is your sole contribution to the TB.
So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities.
You're a fucking liar.
Ps, you obviously don't know shit about Britain. & fatso? I'm a sculptured work of art compared to you thighmaster.
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all day long. I don't give a fuck.
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Jesus. Shut the fuck up.
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10+ posts filled with hate for women and minorites, 100 feet+ of tin foil and 50 donuts prove as much. Thought your last post was two posts ago, liar. Keep frothing at the mouth. This link is being forwarded on and on. Most of female kind will be laughing at your tiny tiny manhood by the end of the day.
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Whats up with that COCOA DOUCHEBAG? Is he/she/it for real?
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If you can get that lunatic to go away so I can talk about Torchwood, by all means do it.
Choclatefuckhead...
If you think you're bothering me, you're mistaken. I'm just watching you dig yourself deeper & deeper into a hole. It's fun to me. Also pretty easy to win, as I just have to copy & paste.
You can't win, because you're fucking lying & everytime I re-post your evil words, it shows how insane you are. Only a loonie writes like that.p>
As I said, everytime you call me a racist/sexist etc, despite having no proof (as I never said anything of the sort at all) & despite the evidence that you're that..I'll just re-post your comments.
Like so:-)..
You've gone too far. Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar.
Before I'd spoken to you:
by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:40 PM
"There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually."
I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty.
Later....
by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009 01:27:59 AM "Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed."
What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart??
To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name...
"With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead."
THAT is your sole contribution to the TB.
So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities.
You're a fucking liar.
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I don't even think "She's" a woman.
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Like "10+ posts filled with hate for women and minorites"....
Yeah? Really? I'm pretty sure nobody can see them. Because they don't fucking exist.
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to he/she/its post regarding British males, guess she didn't see it, or she just has a hard-on for you!
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"It" isn't really worth botheirng with. It's Obviously insane.
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I mentioned earlier (before the loony hijacked me), that John Barrowman seems to think doing a 5 show-a-week run is "punishment" for the show.
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What about it TITBAG?
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In fact I do recognise the phrasing a bit. There is someone on here who keeps making several identities.
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I haven't seen Torchwood since Season 1. They moved it to the BBC America Channel and I don't get it. If they are online I might give it a chance, but usually only get a few eps of any series, not the whole season. Are they stand alone eps, or needed to be viewed in order?
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They're stand alone eps, with little references to stuff that happened before.
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I was gonna say I can't see it here at all. BUT I do know of some websites that I probably can't name:-).
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left Doctor WHO. I really liked her, thought she was hot as hell. Someone mentioned she's on Law and Order UK. Don't get that here, DAMN! What's your take on her?
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and the lack of quality it contained and the reasons as to why it was so terrible until you started attacking me and all womankind. And then you kept doing it. Now you've moved on to delusional rants of multiple user names. The tin foil must be running out. Move on, little boy. I'm happy to continue discussing movies and tv if you STOP harrassing me.
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I'm not interested. & you weren't discussing the show & the reasons as to why you think it's terrible.
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Yeah, Freema's great! That's one of the reasons I don't get the Catherine Tate love. She's ok, but how can you go from Freema to her?
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What is the purpose of this EDIT BUTTON everyone keeps talking about?
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would just give you a chance to fix any mistakes you made if you wrote the wrong thing, or didn't write the full sentence. Sometimes I accidentally post when I haven't written everything.
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you could go back and change things?On a different note. Someone posted a link, for a DOCTOR WHO Panel at Comic Con, plus Cameron will be there with "something" from AVATAR, EXCITED about that!
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No. You're the one who keeps harrasing me! You keep referring to me by name & trying to offend me with lies about things I never said, when I'm busy talking about the show.
Now you're pretending you were making valid points about the show. That's bullshit. You were just being xenophobic. You probably haven't even seen Torchwood.
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Is that a good or bad thing? Should I read up on it or just see it without any preconceptions?
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Not after, just a quick preview thing. Sometimes you have to write fast here to keep up, so there isn't always time to check spelling etc.
Who am I kidding? It's just laziness:-).
Comic con sounds like it would be great! Never been. I wish they did that kind of thing here.
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I still don't understand how so many people got excited about it without knoing anything though. As it turns out, they might be justified in the end, but for the wrong reasons.
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woman hating virgins there are on this site. I defend myself as any proud woman would by an onslaught of sexist bile *see post above* and then attacked further by tubs of goo whose nearest interaction to females is going thru garbage cans to find toe clippings. Dorkcity, you are sad sad piece of shit. And Dark Blimp. your hatred for the other sex would be terrible if your paranoid delusions weren't so hi-larious. You two deserve a double ended dildo and each other.
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As the person claiming to be choclate "woman" is obviously a dude that's trolling.
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I am dark shite and this is an alternate id I use to make myself feel sexy and get closer to women. Now watch as I flat out deny being Choclatewoman in my next post and continue to argue with myself for another 20 posts.
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Not really, just always wanted to say that:-).
I'm neither. But thanks for limiting the options.
I know it's someone trolling. But you try being accused of racism etc, see if you can resist the temptation to defend yourself, even if you know the wanker's a troll. There's always the worry that people might believe her/him/it.
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The fucking whore.
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Because I won't spend the next 20 posts arguing with "myself". I'm done with your skanky arse.
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The voices!! make.. them ... stop!! WHORES!! NIGRS!! SHIT! FCK!! CNT!!
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I realised that. "She" isn't complaining about sexism etc.
"She"'s pretending to complain about it, trying to draw attention away from the fact that "she" did those things. "She" thought "she" could do that further down the TB, after "her" bigoted rants & make out like I was the one who did it (not realising that "her" posts were still there. Maybe "she" didn't expect me to come back & read the TB again the next day. Now "she"'s turned her attention on you too.
Look at "her" post above, where "she" has me supposedly referring to what "she" calls "Ngrs".
I've made no such comment. Not anywhere in this TB.
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I have reverted to a state of being known as "Supreme overlord of Japan". The aliens, they show me the way. THE WAY. As CW, dresses fit my beautiful body better, but as DS, I can rain down fiery showers of liquid gold onto the minorities that persecute me so. I will now proceed to validate myself as DS by denouncing myself as CW or "She" as she is known by the aliens that touch me at night.
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You filthy bitch:-).
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& attention starved. But 1) I've been on this site for ages, so it's not like people are gonna suddenly think you're me.
2) if you were me, you wouldn't refer to yourself as DS. There's a T in my name. It's THE Dark Shite. Got it? Now get back in the kitchen & cook my supper. -
Jul 08, 2009 3:18:00 AM CDT
Geez, can't you two just admit, you're in LOVE with each other?
by v'shael
For fecks sake guys, if you're going to continue this playground sniping in front of a small bored disinterested audience, like the latter seasons of Moonlighting, can't you at least try to make the snipes a little more entertaining?
Now returning to the regular thread already in progress...
Ep 2 was not a let down after Ep 1s frantic pace and set up. But it did have a couple of outstanding flaws. Like how they put Jack out of commission. Any fool would have put the pieces in seperate small metal boxes, and sent them to the 4 corners of the earth. Not put them in a body bag, SEAL it, then put on a camera on the closed bag.
Stuff like that is fine for dramatic effect, but it's pretty dumb.
I also got the impression (can't say for certain) that the story line was not worked out entirely before hand. It felt like each writer was handed the baton of the previous episode, but then pretty much told to run with it. Maybe that's just me. I'd be interested to know what anyone else thought. -
Jul 08, 2009 6:39:19 AM CDT
HARRY - BRING THE PAIN! BANHAMMER DOWN ON CHOCLATEOMAN!!!
by spud mcspud
Bring that skanky, no-class bitchfest to heel. Ban her fucking barely literate ass for not posting one single word on what we're all meant to be discussing.
Fucking attention-seeking twat. Obviously in need of some dicking... -
But this is hands down the best TORCHWOOD yet. Yeah, I had problems with the issues-driven plotless scenes in Ep 1 (and for those about to flame me with the HOMOPHOBE name again, I think a little less on Gwen and Rhys house-hunting wouldn't have gone amiss, though at least they advanced the plot in THAT scene) but Ep2 ironed that shit out and gave us what I always wanted TORCHWOOD to be - a grown-up, dark, thriller of a show. Dealing with the regenerated Jack - THAT was some of the darkest stuff I've seen in British SF since the halcyon days of Nigel Kneale. Ianto ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING!!! I'm still reeling from that. (Oh, and if Jack continues spurning Ianto after what Ianto did to rescue him - then fuck him, Ianto, there's better out there for you.)
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Yeah, not sending Jack's pieces to the four corners of the Earth is pretty dumb. But this is TORCHWOOD, and I can't believe you've made it to season 3 and STILL expect it all to be sensible!
But yeah, I agree - shit like that should be thought through much more clearly, fun though it was. And ditto to th4e TBer who mentioned about poor perimeter security - you're not kidding! It's harder to get into a fucking car park in the East Midlands than it is to get into that army base ;D -
You're a class act. Leave that attention-seeking harpy to her/his/It's own devices. Most of us would rather discuss things in an intelligent and literate fashion with TBers like your good self than spend precious time feeding trolls like that...
Talking of which, Smashing's here - where's Tegujai Batir, my TB stalker? Dammit!!! -
SPUD MCCOCK by TITBAG Jul 7th, 2009 - 11:08:05 AM
I'VE REGISTERED AT AICN PURELY TO INFORM YOU THAT YOU ARE A CUNT.
fucking hell, titbag. You care THAT MUCH about what I have to say. Wow. Just... WOW.
First Tegujai Batir, now you. I'm really racking up the dumb-ass TB stalkers here, aren't I? At least Smashing can articulate - intelligently, and at length - why HE think's I'm a cunt, and usually we manage to see each other's point of view, even if we do disagree.
But you... I fear rational, literate discourse will be wasted on you. Therefore...
GO EAT A BAG OF DICKS, DIRTBAG!!!
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"I can't believe you've made it to season 3 and STILL expect it all to be sensible!"
If it had stayed on BBC3, I might agree that such hopes were forlorn, but damnit, it's on BBC 1 now. Time to raise the bar and bring some fucking game.
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Likewise.
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that must have pissed the bbc off no end. I had heard that she was going to do Law and order UK. utterly boring that show is and it wastes the talents of its actors. though bradley walsh and the word talent. not so sure about that one? but on freema and torchwood. it buggered up the ending of season 4. Cant blame the beeb for being privately very sore. I have been watching this torchwood. Eva mysles looked stupid firing those hand guns last night. Those teasers gave me goosebumbs for the children of earth. so far very bland. In the loop was a a huge let down. before they commit actors should read the small print of thir contract. if freema had that then she might have gone to torchwood. we will never know. Off topic the Micheal jackson memorial was awful. I was once a micheal jackson fan. I even had bad on tape and it end up in a cup of tea. I profoundly disagree with those who say lets move and remember the man and his music. This should be used as a way to change hollywood forever. Rid it of its need to have its stars on priscription drugs. If the ryan report into abuse industrial schools in ireland teaches us anything its how silence was the abusers deadliest weapon. it made me sick to think that Micheal jacksons children would end up in the hands of the people who abused him. ie his mother and father
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MAYBE YOU AND SMASHING CAN SUCK EACH OTHER OFF NOW THAT YOU HAVE SOME COMMON GROUND YOU FUCKING TWAT.
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YOUR ARGUMENT IS BORING AS A MOTHERFUCKING. WOULD YOU MIND DOING ME A FAVOUR? CAN YOU TWO RAMP IT UP A COUPLE OF NOTCHES BECAUSE HONESTLY I'M READY TO TAKE A RUSTY SHOVEL TO MY HEAD ANY SECOND NOW.
USE OF THE WORDS 'CUNT' AND 'TWAT' WOULD BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YOU TWO CALL ME IF YOU NEED ME BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR YOU FOREVER. YOU KNOW THIS. -
I came over all Headmaster-y yesterday and told you to tone it down.
But ChoclateWoman is a total mentalist.
What a fucking freakazoid. If this was happening in real life, she'd be sectioned by now and goofing off on happy pills. How many cats do you think she's got? -
NICE ONE SPECKTRON YOU FUCKING TOAD.
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You're a little live wire, aren't you?
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You're a little live wire, aren't you?
I bet your boyfriend's well content. -
Don't worry - when Titbag's Mom finshes up crushing his ritalin to go in his Cheerios, maybe the twat will calm down.
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That would be very welcome - The Moff brings a welcome mind-fuck to most of hs plots - and he'd tone down all the interpersonal bollocks to deliver some proper thriller type stories. Anyone else remember class acts like THE X FILES, that REALLY did avoid going into its characters' personal lives, going downhill as soon as they started getting into the agents' private lives? And as for that mid-credits shot in XF2: I WANT TO BELIEVE... FUCK RIGHT OFF. The worst thing they EVER did was to get Mulder and Scully together. What are we, fucking Mills & Boon fans? FUCK OFF!
When TORCHWOOD just deals with the plot, it can be great. See DAY 2 - fucking classic compared to the heavy-handed PC preachiness of DAY 1. Can't wait to see what else John Fay has in store for this series.
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Splash shit on a screen. 'Do you want me to continue?'
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you gave them the children! ( aliens remind me of the film the mist)
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Hmm. Smacks of keeping the budget to a minimum. Enjoyed the pillar of fire though.
It's kind of weird actually enjoying TORCHWOOD - though you can tell this was co-written by RTD. Yet another heavy-handed "calling gay people queer is WROOOOONG" lesson crowbarred in there by Russ the T - luckily the rest of the episode wisely concentrated on ratcheting up the tension. There's some fantastic atmosphere being developed here, with overtones of THE OMEGA FACTOR, DOOMWATCH and QUATERMASS - thoroughly enjoying it!
Every RTD line, though, adds mightily to the argument for throwing his issues-driven writing and his fucking overbearing social engineering type dialogue out, in favour or writers who actually think the story should come FIRST. He's like a fucking furious right-on sixth former preaching at a Gay Rights march, for God's sake. We get it. You're gay. It's okay. MOVE THE FUCK ON. -
There wasn't anything too bad in this one, apart from the scenes of them nicking laptops and credit cards which seem to have been ripped from "The Real Hustle" of all places. Oh, and using the incredibly tired television news for exposition device after managing to restrain themselves for two episodes. And the rubbish staging of the grabbing of Jack's daughter. On the plus side, Frobisher is great. I'm hoping it all works out ok for him.
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Interesting how every time there's a problem with aliens that have been to Earth before, Jack's often the cause of it. His ass should be thrown out of TORCHWOOD already - he's a fucking menace!
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I have the feeling things can only get worse for the hapless Frobisher. But then, he does work for the Government, in the Cabinet - so fuck him and his dodgy expenses claims for duck houses and moat cleaning! FEED HIM TO THE TENTACLED ALIEN!!!
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Great hints at a Chtulhoid alien, though. You CANNOT have enough Cthulhoid aliens in current SF TV.
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He's not in the cabinet and he's not an MP. He's a civil servant.
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Shoggoth would be good, but we all know that the 456 will be really disapointing when finally revealed. Probably a giant animal.
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Really? He's just a civil servant?
Do you reckon a civil servant could attain a position that close ot the PM? Or is this just lazy writing (perish the thought from such a literary genius as the man who invented "Bad Wolf" then did fuck all with the concept)?
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I could live with a Great Race of Yith. It would be every flavour of AWESOME to see such a batshit insane creature on a Doctor Who spin-off!
But not as cool as when the Real Ghostbusters crossed the streams on a Coney Island rollercoaster and FUCKING DESTROYED GREAT CTHULHU! THAT was a great Cthulhu tie-in.
TORCHWOOD better pull out all the stops if it's gonna beat animated Venkman falling off the coaster and into a bush - after vanquishing Cthulhu back the the void between the stars... -
He seems a nice guy, who needs some rest after that traumatic 1965 thing. Hope he does okay.
Enough with the "dark secrets of Captain Jack" shit. It peaked with ADRIFT, which is my favourite TORCHWOOD plot ever (marred with all the Jack/Ianto shagging - would you REALLY be more bothered about getting it on in office hours than you would be preventing Gwen from uncovering one of TORCHWOOD's biggest, nastiest secrets? WHAT THE FUCK EVER) and I think we prefer the "Tony Stark" Captain Jack over the "Dark Knight" Captain Jack. Sometimes, dark is less, not more.
(Oh fuck. Watch that last statement get twisted into me being a racist bastard by some halfwit fucker like TITBAG or CHOCLATE(ILLITERATE)WOMAN... -
BRINGING CTHULU INTO THIS HAS ONLY DEMONSTRATED THAT YOU ARE A FUCKING PONCE WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT EITHER TORCHWOOD OR LOVECRAFT. FFS.
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You're telling ME about knowing nothing about Cthulhu? YOU didn't even fucking spell it right! And as for knowing all about the Cthulhu mythos... Well, let's just say I'm probably A LOT more familiar with it than YOU. Since it would involve reading, and if you're as illiterate a reader as you are a writer, well...
As for TORCHWOOD... it's not exactly STAR TREK. There ain't a whole lot you need to know about its backstory. But then, none of this matters, since you're a reactionary cunt who just abuses anyone you find on a TB to appease your monstrous, bloated, childish self-seeking attention-craving, pathetic, cowardly ego.
Fuck off, you fucking useless excuse for a talkbacker. Calling you a FUCKIN' AMATEUR is an isult to the fuckin' amateurs, you wankstain. -
Not taking sides (but if I were it's obivious which side I would, the one that doesn't need sectioning). But the third episode was very good. Only problem is RTD is writing that last episode and he always fails to finish his stories as good as the build up deserves.
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Agree 100% - RTD always has problems bringing a satisfactory ending to the tension he builds up. His plots (though usually nicked off others) are always good, it's just his soapbox issue-driven scenes and crap dialogue that need sorting out. A decent producer and another writer (to handle characters) could improve RTD's stuff no end.
John Fay's DAY TWO was awesome, though. Even Ianto was badass! IANTO, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!
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LIKE I SAID, CTHULHU ASSHOLE.
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Loving the twitchy fucker negotiating a cover-up with the 456. Liking the splattery alien goo, and the wobbly mad tramp and the contact lenses gag. All we need now is a proper resolution and maybe some wholly unnecessary lesbiandige between Gwen and the army hitwoman and things will be utterly groovy.
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Must be more to it than this .....
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This episode was pretty solid, but I'm pretty confident the quality will go down from here. RTD understands how to build suspense, but once it's time for the payoff he goes to shit.
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Despite what I said after episode one, I decided to stick with watching this. Partly because I'd invested enough in the story to want to see where it went and partly because that Welsh bird has got a great arse.Result? Last night's episode was a belter! There was the 'Quatermass' vibe I was looking for (though admittedly it was the John Mills version).I'm now officially hooked, though if it ends up with Captain Jack Gayness snogging Ianto, I'll probably vom. Nevermind - roll on tonight and Episode 4!
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is the best Torchwood has ever been. I'm really looking forward to the last two episodes.
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...I have to say that I am riveted to this 5-nightly series - loving all the twists. My only concern echoes what has been said on here about RTD's climaxes (stop sniggering at the back) - please don't let him go for the ol' RESET button at the end!!!!
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...would be for the Tardis to materialise at the end. The Doctor steps out, chucks a bucket of stuff over the 456 which immediately vanishes, Doctor winks at the camera, back in the Tardis, credits roll.
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about it. I mean, it's filled with plot holes, but it rocks along at a fair old pace so you don't really notice.
The fictional British PM stood up to the American at the table, with far more backbone than we'd ever see in real life. But then, as a nice counter to that, the alien says Britain was chosen because it's insignificant. That was funny.
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Means I don't have to feel bad about wanting to fuck Eve Myles ragged!!
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I'm sure she's a lovely lass and all, but every time she opens her gob, my eyes are drawn to that gap.
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What would we do without them? The Dark Shite, I feel for you. ChoclateWoman, looks like you had a good time. But listen, in all sincerity, you really are insane. However, I'm looking forward to your reply - hopefully a further illustration of the typical form of psychosis you presently enjoy that will provide a good example to some of my psychology students.
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I did get the feeling the alien was giger-esq. I thought that stuff with the alien was really menacing.
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jack. This is what it was. he was a pawn to alien races.
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...I can't imagine why Eve Myles would be so sensitive about her teeth gap with people like you around? There a pic of you anywhere where we can bathe in YOUR gorgeousness?
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Didn't harm Madonna's career, eh?
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Calm down. I didn't say she was bet-down ugly or anything like that. She's not my cup-of-tea, and yeah, the gap thing would put me off. I'm shallow that way. But since when do you have to be a model of gorgeousness to comment on someone elses features, especially when they are in the public eye?
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I think there'll be an immediate ret-con of that statement in ep4. I can't see them saying that Jack was a pawn to another race. Rather the "gift" was a sacrifice or something, to save the planet. Who knows. But they won't just let it stand with "They were a gift, from me to them! Happy birthday."
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...I don't need to calm down, mate - trust me, u aint significant enough to rile me xx
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is expendable. but is captain jack? playing both sides is risky and that is what Captain jack has been doing. he has been playing a danger dual role being on earth while secretly siding with the aliens. someone is trying to bring him down. love the menace about frobishers children as well as the gigerish looking alien. complete rubbsih but entertain rubbish.bit like tf2.....
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Not this mini-series, but the first two seasons as well? This is my take on it.
The "456" appears to be a tentecled beast that... appears to slaughter some of the life forms in its' cage when asked a question in the wrong way or tone. Not always, but enough that I see a pattern. I may be completely wrong but it seems that way.
In the first season, the one about the fairies that had chosen a particular girl to become one of them, Jack, against the objections of the others and with tears in his eyes, let them have her. The point: They weren't strong enough to stop them, so better to let one little girl go than lose countless lives trying to resist them.
To an extent, I think this is what we are seeing here. Jack was an agent in the transfer the last time not because je's an Earth agent for aliens, but because he realizes the level of destruction that would result if they refused. The fact that one kid, the now old man, got away, has deeper meaning than has been revealed.
Here's a dark thought: anyone else wonder if the beast in the gas is slaughtering lifeforms it's gathered from previous hostage takings?
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I thought maybe holding down shift while hitting enter would do it, but it didn't.
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but with no space between the
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Just a few more hours until I can start looking for the next dl'd.
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That Jack flashback was BETTER than most stuff from S1/S2. So is the Alice stuff. WHY wasn't that part of the S1/S2 arc?
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Are starting to look cack. God forbid they show up in sunlight.
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And they said Whedon dragged deaths out.
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This is really getting better and better. Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it?Can't wait for the finale tomorrow night. You Yanks are gonna love this when you get it! A 'Quatermass' for the Noughties and the best Sci-Fi miniseries since the original 'V'...
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Still, can't have everything.
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Then the scene with the school league tables came up.. and wow. Very impressed that they went there.
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Pinkwood's got a little better since the first episode, which can only be down to John Fay and not that dreadful fat poof RTD. His writing's only marginally better than Titbag's
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That bland tit is gone.
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That was as dark a British sci-fi moment as I've ever seen. Storming stuff. Just worried about how they end this. If it a typical RTD copout like 456 are allergic to peanuts or someother shite like that, I ain't going to be happy.
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The penultimate ep was about as grim as a grim thing on a particularly grim day, having just read a note in its diary saying "Note to self- be more grim."
At this rate I wouldn't work for Torchwood if they paid in gold-plated hookers.
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...actually quite awesome I thought. Pretty dark for British tv, looking forward to the finale... although I too have my worry about what RTD might do! Hoping they keep the dark theme (looked like it in the highlights).. oh well we shall see.But definitely worth a watch...
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anyone notice the similarity between the 456 and the face of boe? is it possible that by the end of tomorrow night's episode captain jack will be transformed into a vapour breathing, glass encased head?
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Just got done watching - FUCKING WOW!!!
And that bland bastard gone as well! Can this mini-series get any better? Well, NO, probably not, as Russell the T gets his George Lucas writing style (great at overall story, fuck all use at ANYTHING ELSE) on the end of the best TORCHWOOD EVER. DAY ONE was okay when not showcasing Russ the T's views on homosexuality (show it as often as possible, regardless of it being part of the plot), religion (all religion is VERY BAD and only believed by VERY BAD PEOPLE) and government (apparently PAs get to stand in the highest level meetings, regardless of National Security). DAY TWO was spectacular - especially what they did to Jack! And Ianto as badass - WHO'D A THUNK IT? DAY THREE - Even more tension, and FINALLY some alien action - pitch-perfect, terrifyin visuals, more hints than reveals and a VERY "QUATERMASS" / Cthulhoid monster. And tonight DAY FOUR - hysteria, threats that envelope the whole world, a stunning reversal where TORCHWOOD turn the tables on the black ops team out to destroy them, and then - BOOM! Back in the deep shit, and the born-again badass bites the dust! How much more atmospheric, grim and downright FUCKING AWESOME can this show get?!?
Gotta lower my expectations. You just KNOW there's no way RTD is going to match the quality of Days 2, 3 and 4 for his finale - every WHO finale he's ever written has been unmitigated SHITE. This will be no different, though I fervently hope I'm wrong.
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i just knew it couldn't be rtd writing this whole thing. another excellent episode, low on rediculousness, high on tension and suspense. yet the budget is crap, but a good script will always keep people coming back for more.
bloody hell torchwood is a bit thin on the ground for personnel these days. It's good to have gwens husband playing a more active role, but i'd rather he not become a full time member of the team, nor lois habiba ( c'mon that surname, is that the best you got?).
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jamelia is looking quite lovely http://bit.ly/jamelia
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Please, RTD, don't shit the bed in the finale like you have in every other season of Doctor Who or Torchwood...
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I truly have no clue how he's going to handle the final episode. But I'm now hopeful that it won't be utter crap.
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There was more awesome packed into Day 4 than every previous episode of Torchwood combined.
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The old man that died has to hold the key - why did they not take him in 65 -- he has some DNA defect or some auto immune disease -- but he is dead?
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By FOX.
And put on Friday nights.
At 8:00 PM...
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...LOVED the discussions about how to select the 10% of kids. Cracking stuff!
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But after Ep. 4 of CoE I think Torchwood is better than the current incarnation of Dr. Who.
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RETCON is coming.
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In a way, I kind of hope they do retcon CoE. I mean, in the last five episodes of Torchwood, they've killed three of five members of the team, and destroyed the Torchwood facility itself. That means the rift manipulator is gone, as is, likely, their alien artifact storage, the weevil cells, and even the morgue containing the bodies of Suzie, Toshiko, and live cargo like Jack's brother. Moreover, even if parts of the Torchwood facility survived, are they going to continue the show using graphics of the Roald Dahl Plass with a giant crater in the middle of it?So, in other words, between Exit Wounds and Children of the Earth, it certainly seems like they're doing their best to kill Torchwood off, or at least DRASTICALLY remake the series. Will they bring the series back with a low-tech Torchwood team struggling to keep up with the flood of alien flotsam and jetsam now that the rift manipulator is no longer there to regulate the rift? Or are they simply killing the series off since Moffat has had absolutely no part in it so far and wants Jack (who, while created by RTD, made his first appearance in Moffat's two-parter The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances) back in the TARDIS with Matt Smith? No matter how much whinging these boards may draw, the character is still incredibly popular, and the role made Barrowman's career. I can't imagine that either he, or the BBC are willing to let Captain Jack rest quite yet.
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Captain Jack is actually a good character... when supporting someone else. He could make a great lead, but they never develop him fully. Take this Alice stuff - that SHOULD have been shown in S1/S2. It wasn't because they're useless. Best to stick him as a recurring character on Doc Who.
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I know what you mean, and if it was JUST Russel writing the series, I'd think the reset button was a given. But consider, they killed off 2 team members in Season 2, and that was permanent.
They could just be going for a retool of the show. Or maybe the Hub will be "rebuilt" in record time, or they'll move to a new location. I mean look at how quickly they set up new digs in ep3, with a montage of thieving shots.
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...is simply conjecture on my part trying to explain the wholesale slaughter on Torchwood lately. I don't watch the Confidential series, so didn't know that Moffat doesn't like Jack. I find that disappointing, given that I really like the character (and even, for the most part, the Torchwood series). I also didn't mean to imply that a potential CoE climax retcon would bring back Tosh and Owen, though I wouldn't mind that happening in some fashion, since I really liked their characters too (what they did with Tosh and Owen in 2x12 Fragments was _excellent_).
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Freema agyeman was supposed to go torchwood and then ITV offered her a role in Law and order UK. She accteped but her contract stipulated that she could only work for that show and nothing else. must have pissed off the bbc highly. it does confuse the viewer over her absenece, but that is the reason why she is not there.
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and will watch. the conclusion tonight. I think they are trying to kill off the series. There is a bit in tonights ep with gwen in what appears to be a video recording. If you are going to go out with a plot about the end of the world. Barrowmans acting was awful. and I found the scenes in the cabinet office woodden. One other piece of inexplicability was that in the 40 year gap since 456's arrival, you would have thought that someone would have been ready if they came back. or that a plan would have been prepared.
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Or was it just a coincidence?
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"If we can't identify the least achieving 10% of children, then what on earth are the school league tables for?" Holy shit. I dunno - I teach high school. People don't usually speak that plainly about education, even if it is on a fictional TV show.
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Putting it on nightly made it into a great event, it built up suspense well despite being effectively a long film.
Loving it so far, and excited for tonight, as if it were a Who episode.
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Pretty much. The acting was awful. Ianto's demise was the worst acting i have seen on tv in a while. It was emotion free. bollocks
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The 5 part serial format has been done before on UK television. Most recently, I remember "Dead Set", the Zombie Big Brother thing. Nowhere near as entertaining as this.
The plot still has some very very stupid holes, but it's sweeping the viewer along really nicely. I think first time viewers who have never even seen the show, would be loving this on BBC1.
And to echo those above, yeah, the school league tables dialog was fucking amazing. Shocking not just at the cynicism, not just at how plausible it is, but that anyone would have the balls to show a UK government in that light. -
But I've come to expect bad acting from SF. It seems to be a standard.
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RTD lasted one minute. I'm already pissed off with this ep
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For ALL my faults, I've watched every night. And the overall experience has been good.
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Are you pissed off already?
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Because we got Gwen making a video about the end of the world (dumb because if the world ends, it can never be seen... and the fact that RTD has done it before), and then a news report. What a bad way to start the TENSE FINAL EP.
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And NOTHING is happening.
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RTD, you... YOU MAGNIFICIENT BASTARD. That was COLLD
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is the new black.
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Whatever. This is the fifth part of a five part story. It's meant to be building off of the previous momentum, but hops between great scenes and shite.
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is the new fickle ;)
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Fine. I'm touchy. And this is 40% of what it could have been. Still watchable, but littered with bullshit agendas. And switching from 'tragic Frobisher scene' to Andy asking if Ianto is gay has to be the dumbest thing RTD's done.
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That went straight to shit.
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it's left me with a feeling of what the fuck was that all about? the pacing built up over the last couple of episodes went out the window. frobersher killing his kids seemed wholly predictable and avoidable. jack sacrificing his own was good it seemed a unnecessary waste of manpower chasing after the kids who hadn't gone to school... just pick schools with kids in them! and the blackmailing of the pm.. that other bird was just as guilty.6 months later, i feel let down again. yep. thats the feeling im getting.
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That Frobisher scene was actually great for my money. Just was then marred by another shitty 'is Ianto gay?' joke.
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SciFi endings rarely satisy me. Buffy and Angel did it well, but miniseries always end too quickly. It was fun stuff and I enjoyed having sth to watch every night, but Series 2' last 2 episodes were far better than any episode of this series as a single ep.
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no, that frobisher scene was ridiculous. set him up as the patsy when he instigated all this shit? that scene played out much better in the movie "the mist" and yes he could have easily exposed everything as opposed to killing his family. c'mon man, it's not as if it was a no win situtation. I'd have actually prefered him to get the gun and pop the PM instead. that would have made more sense.
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RTD turns gold into crap.
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i shall never mention lanto or rtd and thier raving H0m0ness again. -
.......in that such a lot of people who criticize the show readily, desparate to put forth their ire, watch it without a moments hesitation. I mean, why are you wasting your time watching it when you can watch something you can enjoy? Great program throughout. I don't care for its flaws, it entertained me throughout. Fuck the haters!!
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...dont you get tired of your own voice??!! No one thinks you are insightful or intelligent or amusing.
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but an angel. biatch.
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@Castiel
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That isn't irony. Fuck off.
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The scene was jarring in terms of meshing with the episode, but still powerful. Unlike Jack's scene with Stephen... which came out of fucking nowhere, and negated the point of Jack's pain at Ianto's death. I get that Jack wants to save humanity, but would he really kill his Grandson hours after losing someone else he loved? Bull-fucking-sheet!
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berksbear, whats your problem dude? were you an extra on torchwood? did you play child in the playground screaming #67?
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...RTD refuse to suck your cock? You have issues, my friend, serious issues.
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to be fair though, jack didn't want to kill his grandson, its only the other creepy woodwork teacher scientist guy that said they needed a kid. so he was conflicted. but look at the maths 1 vs 350,000 you can't really not. i would have expected a bit more from him though.. perhaps a refusal to do it and creepy woodwork teacher scientist guy to take over.
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i'm not gay, so if rtd refused to suck my cock im be happy. if eve myles refused, id be upset, but i'd get over it. simply cause im not a winge like yourself.
My forum name is original. I used to be MR_X, i'm now castiel. now seriously, fuck off, and don't talk with me again. -
My problem is that they could've found any number of kids. There was no pressing 'need to now' deadline. Maybe if they built to it HAVING to be Stephen, it'd have more effect.
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That was good stuff. RTD gets a lot of flack for his Who/Torchwood writing, but he did a very solid job there. Minor quibbles aside (could an American general walk into the cabinet room and start threatening the Prime Minister (even a weak one) without getting his arse thrown into the Tower of London?), it was nice dark, nihilistic sci-fi of the sort that is in painfully short supply on British TV.
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...I misunderestimated your immaturity, Casty. Trust me, no further energy will be wasted on you. Toodles x
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but there was a deadline, they had the kids ready to be beamed up. so what are you run around and grab a kid off the street or go with the kid you already have that soldiers are buying coke for and playing football with. go with the familiar!
total 180 for that hard nosed bitch solider as well which didn't really make sense. she's following dubious orders all the time, yet decides to go rogue after a 5 min conversation with jacks daughter! that's some persuasive arguing. though truth be told jacks daughter did deserve it. who hangs around a jail once they've been released? it's not as she's suffering from stockholm syndrome -
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They weren't beaming any kids up. It seemed like they had the plan, went straight for Stephen, and lucked out that it worked.
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gotta agree with you there mcbegbie. Its a good series when rtd doesn't get his fingers stuck in. maybe they can do a spin off Harkness and daughter like Sapphire and steel!
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Torchwood has improved alot since it began and this series, for the most part, was good. Barrowman was annoyed about the shift to BBC1, and RTD has said previously that he wouldn't leave the show whilst it was still running. The dick seems to have solved that problem by winding it up, I can't see how it can come back for another series. I just pray that RTD doesn't stitch Who up before he hands the reigns over to Moffat
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Get a hold of yourself man!
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It was a little ropey in terms of plot but Jack daughter did say he had a dark side. Killing your own grandson to save all the worlds children was just cold. At least they didn't kill them with a peanut allergy, which would be typical RTD copout.
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Just finished watching. RTD grew some balls - the scene with Stephen was awesome (nice to see Lucy Cohu finally get to show how great an actress she is - she was the bomb in CAPE WRATH) and (sorry Zedde) it's fairly obvious why they choose him - no other kids immediately available, and it's 1 vs 350,000. No contest.
The negatives? Well, there's nothing compelling or especially interesting about Capt Jack, and the fact that he keeps running away every time he gets to make an awful decision is more than a bit pathetic - it means that next time Jack is in WHO or TORCHWOOD, I'll just be waiting for him to do something heroic so something awful can happen next, so Jack can fuck off again. Upshot of all this? Jack is a selfish, cowardly bastard who has occasional bursts of heroism between his craven running-off-and-crying fits. At least Bale's BATMAN is a hard bastard in between being alternatively heroic and angsty; Capt Jack is just fucking boring. Enough with the dark and brooding heroes shtick already - it's SO FUCKING OLD. Get someone a bit more Tony Stark in to run the new TORCHWOOD, and keep new mum Gwen as the overseer of the info centre. Reboot with an all-new crew. Why not? Blank slate!!!
I DID like that RTD went there: the scene with Frobisher and his family, the Prime Minister getting hung out to dry by his own Cabinet, the overbearing American general, all the stuff to do with forcibly sending kids to their certain death, capitulating to aliens without even an attempt to fight back... It'd be nice to see the assassin chick and her black ops unit fighting FOR "TORCHWOOD" if it came back - I can't imagine that character just sitting by as the British Government pretended all this never happened. I think this would radicalise her to fight WITH TORCHWOOD - the only organisation who actually tried to resist the 456.
Talking of which, the reason for the name 456 SUCKED. But then, it' RTD.
In conclusion? Mostly stolen from QUATERMASS: THE CONCLUSION and VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED, RTD is still ripping off the best, but it'd be nice to have a fucking ORIGINAL story for once. Glad to see some good dark, nihilistic, UK '70s style apocalyptic sci-fi back on British TV (hard to believe, but back 30 years or so ago we did this shit best) and we have to thank RTD for this. His last attempt, THE SECOND COMING, went well until the unbelievably dumb (and predictably soap-boxy anti-religious) ending, which theologically was the fucking most stupid ending you could imagine. Dramatically, it could have worked... but RTD bottled out of a REALLY nasty twist (I'd have had a bogus religion spring up based on the erroneous belief that God would rise from the dead again, despite the entire world feeling it when God commits sui-deicide and destroy Himself forever). But he didn't. Coward...
Yeah, good stuff. Hope the next TORCHWOOD is anywhere NEAR as great as this. Now bring back QUATERMASS, and maybe reboot SAPPHIRE & STEEL. And I think CHILDREN OF THE STONES is due a rehash too... -
i wonder if we'll get a spinoff, maybe the adventures of captain jack, interplanetary hitchhiker?
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I think a peanut allergy will be what regens Tennant into Smith. Heh heh.
Glad they didn't wheel out the Gallifreyan to save everyone in the TORCHWOOD conclusion: that, sometimes, the Doctor DOESN'T ride in on his TARDIS and save the day. Niiiiiiiiiice.
Oh, and hope Capt Jack NEVER comes back. He's a weakling, a coward, and a shit character to hang a concept like TORCHWOOD on. Give Gwen the reins and have her (and the black ops team that tried to kill them all) recruit a new team and reboot. Go X-FILES on this bitch. TORCHWOOD could be great - and this mini-series showed us how. Hope it comes back this strong. -
he's our alien expert, he's been keeping all your alien secrets for years. now all of a sudden, before you know what the aliens want, before you even think of a defence, you go out at kill the team that can help you most?
damm you RTD, your poor writing creates gaps wider then those in eve myles teeth. -
The biggest problem I'm having with the recent Torchwood and Who is that it's sort of breaking Earth. To put that another way- a lot of what makes RTD's take on Who work is the 'real world' feeling, so the companions have families who live on council estates, and Paul O'Grady is talking about the events of the story on his show, for example. The problem is, the more aliens visibly trample all over Earth, the harder it is to see 'our' world meeting the world of The Doctor/TW. It's a tightrope the Stargate series managed to walk for a very long while, whereas RTD seems to have fallen off it a bit.
That's not to say I hated it- just that it's going to get increasingly tough to do this sort of thing and make it work. -
pretty good, as said before good dark sci-fi (for british tv) and that's a great thing.
Yes they're some negatives with the way RTD let it play out... but overall still quite enjoyable.
...and really just comparing it with what's on British tv generally there is no contest it kicked ass.
Never really watched this before as a series (aside from the odd ep here and there) just didn't hold my interest..but this miniseries did it..because as others have said it went there. -
...of everyone else here. I thought it was great. Yeah, there might be a few issues with pacing (but then again, it is essentially a five hour episode), and the "end of the world" rhetoric was a bit hyperbolic. Regardless, Day Five was much like Day Four in that it had some very well crafted and honest line-crossing. Day Four's frank discussion on the logistics of sacrificing ten percent of the world's children was matched, nay, exceeded by tonight's implied triple murder-suicide and then a graphic ON CAMERA murder of a child! Including blood streaming from his nose and ears! WHILE HIS MOTHER WATCHED. And this was on BBC1! Can you imagine being stateside and seeing something like that on ABC, CBS, or NBC? Here we banish stuff like that to the cable networks (think BSG)! In fact, off the top of my head, I think this might be darker than anything that ever happened on BSG! Oh, nope, looking through an episode list I can say that the attempted rape of Athena (then still Boomer) in 2x10 Pegasus, and Tigh murdering Ellen in 3x04 Exodus Pt. 2. Still, as dark as those two scenes were, neither of them involved a child. Given the MONUMENTAL social taboos about hurting children in the media, I'm going to have to give the point to Torchwood (but only barely).
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Anyway, I have to give RTD some massive credit for this. He played scorched-earth with the characters on the show (such that I doubt the series will be back), but he managed to not fuck up the climax! He didn't resort to something retarded like a peanut allergy to kill off the aliens, he actually wrote a pretty smart way for Jack to turn the aliens' technology against them! He also avoided using the patented RTD reset switch or a deus ex machina! That has to be a first for him in the Whoniverse.
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I think it's some of the best torchwood they've done yet. And it was as epic as some of the best things they've done on Dr. Who. It was suspenseful and delightfully dark.
And I know other fan sites are in an uproar, but I'm so glad they killed of Ianto. I've hated his character since day one when he was constantly whining and crying about his half-cyberman girlfriend, ready to let the world go to hell by hiding her rather than man up and tell everyone else about her. I just wish they nixed Gwen as well.
Torchwood is an odd series because I really like it overall, but I've loathed every character except Tosh and Jack, despite the latter's HORRID acting ability. I'm crossing my fingers that season 4 is a go, and the first thing that they do is kill off Gwen and replace her with the Lois Habibi character. Now she was someone who was both likeable and intelligent, which would be a refreshing change for Torchwood.
btw, the show will supposedly get a fourth season if the ratings for the miniseries are good, which they have been. In fact, the ratings have way surpassed expectations. http://tinyurl.com/mlgwwn -
I definitely think this is RTD's best work for Who or Torchwood. Yeah there were tons of holes and nitpicks but I didn't really care. I was definitely surprised at how dark things got.
I'm not sure why they've decided to kill off so many important characters, when including S2 finale. It certainly clear that they either don't want torchwood to return as a series or they want a brand new spinoff with just Captain Jack. Either that or Barrowman asked out, even though he publicly denies it, or the BBC has another show lined up for him. -
Jul 11, 2009 12:31:42 AM CDT
One thing that seems to distinguish BBC sci-fi? and American is.
by mindtrip
...the BBC willing to kill off characters much more sop than the US. Thinking back a bit, this certainly applies to "Spooks" or "MI-5" over here, although it isn't sci-fi. They've recently done the same with Primeval.
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I thought that episode five, while having some good moments, was a letdown overall. Unlike Rhuragh, I thought the way they killed off the 456 was the very epitome of a deus ex machina. More importantly, I thought it was kind of boring. I'll say this, though--it was far, far FAR better than the massive clusterfucks that were the previous two season finales. I do like that there was no happy ending and no pushing of any reset buttons.
I do wonder if the show will be back, and if it is back, who will be in it and what form it will take. This miniseries felt to me kind of like it was a sci-fi version of 24, and frankly I liked that. -
V-e-r-y disappointing. The PM/Frobisher scene was utter nonsense, what would the PM have hoped to achieve?? And as for Jack killing his grandson - great idea, poor execution (pun intended).
All the great work from the previous 4 episodes, just pissed up the wall. Gutted. I really REALLY wanted it to be a classic piece of telly, but it was a huge letdown, like all RTD endings are. -
You're right, it isn't irony - it's listening to some anally-retentive twat who hasn't got something else to rant on about.
You fuck off. Forever I wish. -
Perhaps what's most surprising is that the switch from BBC2 to BBC1 didn't dilute the series' dark intentions. If anything, it played against all expectations, and I would agree with one of the above posters that it was reminiscent of an old Quatermass series. In an age where there is often bugger all on television to get excited about, this 5-nighter was must-see stuff.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you that this was a deus ex machina. Given that this is a sci-fi series, and a particularly outlandish and incredible one at that, the bar for deus ex machina is quite high. Given that RTD has ended three of the four seasons of Doctor Who with LITERALLY turning a character into a GOD to solve the dilemma I don't think this really counts. For the record, those three are having Rose absorb the Time Vortex in season one, having the Doctor absorb the combined "psychic energy" of the planet in season three, and the Donna Noble human-timelord "biological meta-crisis" in season four. THOSE are deus ex machinas. Jack is a human from the 51st Century; he has been shown to have technical skills on par with the Doctor's (for example, rigging the Slitheen surfboard to create a shield around the TARDIS in the season one finale). It doesn't strike me that anything he did at the end of Day Five was beyond his character's established technical capabilities.
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..."And as for Jack killing his grandson - great idea, poor execution (pun intended)" I mean, Huh? What, you wanted Jack to maybe force a gun up the kid's arse and shoot him through the head???? I think what Jack agreed to with Stephen was suitably shocking and dark for the series. Damn you retarded ranters - get lives, please!!
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I'm not an RTD fan, I can't stand Barrowman and I've never watched Torchwood before, but I thought this miniseries was the absolute tits!Very dark, very entertaining and loved the five night format. I can't remember the last time I stayed in on a Friday night because there was something unmissable on the telly! Brilliant stuff!
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for Torchwood COE i got a chill. all those kids saying in unison we are coming etc made me sit up and take notice. I watched COE from start to finish. aside the moments of menace. I found this series of torchwood to be average. No knock out moments, no final twists no suprises, whatever. gwen questioning the dr lead me to believe that tennant would turn up at some point as the series big suprise. despite being an anagram for dr who. the whole thing seems like a wasted opportunity. I liked Season four a lot and it seemed they were becoming more and more ambitious. which is why this season was so avarage is all the more disspaointing. I had high hopes for this week long Torchwood and I agree with barrowman in retrospect. putting this on bbc 1 was not a good idea. But then bbc2 has miniscule budget. all of the actors in this had little to work with. but these are all talented people so why were there emotions all on mute? Ianto's demise was wodden and shockingly so. Gwen should have called capt jack a coward. but when she challenged him not to run away he said just watch me. weak and if this is the final of torchwood. it was an utterly cack handed way to go.
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celtic rock legends Horslyps are back preforming live after an absence of 35 years. They play the 02 dublin and the oddessy arena in belfast in december. Horslyps were legends in the seventies. they merged trad and rock. Their album sleeves were works of art. The designed there own outfits. their gigs were fire crackers. heady stuff. utterly unpredictable. they are all older wiser heads. Like most bands of that era. they drank too much and had a huge row over royalities and who took the credit for writing the songs which included Dearg duam, trouble with a capital t and the man who built america. berry develin one day went to court without telling the others and got judgement saying that he was the ole song writer in the band. they woved never to work with hinm again and the band split up. rumours abounded then for at least a decade that the band would reform. but then a couple of years ago at some music festival the prefomed an acustic set and that was all. untill last week when it was announced that the seminal and mighty horslyps are back on the road. there concerts were the stuff of legend.
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eithe. I hated that quiz he did last yer. where he seemed to shout for no reason. he seemed to channelling later pacino. and anyway he looks like cruise. and we all know that cruise is well.......
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...your blow up doll is waiting. Go have sex (and pretend it's a real girl) and then you'll realise that you don't have to spend your life slagging off successful people to make you feel better. there, there.
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Am I even correct in calling it a "Time Agent" device? I thought the Doctor had disabled it the last time they met. What am I mising?
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Oddly enough, I was expecting Jack to yell out "the kids are alriiiiiight!" with his best jazz hands at some point during CoE. A potential crossover into Jack's double life as a terrible gameshow host lost forever. A sad day for British TV.
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I loved this, it had so much fucking gravitas. I liked that Jack seemed to be in the back burner all the time, and they even managed to make Gwen extremely likeable, Ianto you will be missed
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Do you know where you are? This is a TALKBACK! We're MEANT to be slagging off successful people - especially those who got where they are DESPITE their extremely obvious limited amount of skills. Barrowman is a fucking AWFUL actor, and emeraldboy is bang on with his comments - WHY all the shouting on that fucking terrible quiz? And, more to the point - WHY are you so upset by people slagging off Barrowman?
Barrowman has a great career, loads of wonga, a man he loves AND just had a hit mini-series on BBC1. He could NOT give less of a shit what we think. Why the hell do you? -
You would too. Admit it. Regardless of your shallow American prediliction for perfect china-white UV-reflective teeth, you'd all be queuing up for a go on the gappy Welsh bird, wouldn't you? You know it, I know it. Get in!
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...am entitled to my opinions of you sad pathetics as much as you are of Mr Barrowman. Deal with it, saddo!
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Fair enough. While you spend your entire life in here slagging off anyone else who dares to have an opinion that disagrees with yours, I'll be off actually living my life.
So who's the saddo again? -
... I think it's sweet that you jumped to poor emerald boy's defence like that. Maybe you don't like John Barrowman because he is more like you than you dare to believe? Hmmmmmm.
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That when barrowman is on other programs he comes across as annoying. I have seen him on other shows like graham norton, 8/10 cats and when someone cracks a joke he goes over the top in a completely and utterly contrived way . He works well on those shows to a find a lead ie those loyd webber reality shows he knows a lot about musical theatre . I saw barrowman once on Friday night with jonathan ross and he was acting the idiot in the green room and I just turned off the tv or changed the channel.
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...that FASCINATING story really contributes to the textual analysis of Torchwood: Children of Earth.
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The Doctor just disabled the vortex manipulator, so no time travel, but other functions were probably maintained.
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story?
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Whereas your veiled insult (which either means you think Barrowman is untalented and so am I, or you are pointing out that I must be gay because Barrowman is) adds huge amounts of intellectual rigour to the textual analysis of TORCHWOOD: CHILDREN OF EARTH. I'm sure media studies degree students will be quoting from your massive contribution to the semiotics of TORCHWOOD for decades to come.
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...you don't like it when your little emeraldboy gets attacked do you? When's the wedding? xxx
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Bend over. I'm going to fuck up your kidneys FROM THE INSIDE. Prepare to SAY HELLO TO MY LEEEEEEEEEEETLE FRIEEEEEEEEEEND!!!
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...buy me a drink first? ;)
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a little umbrella in it. And then I'll tell you how beautiful you are before I rearrange your insides with Lil Spud ;D
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...and Jesus, it was spectacular.
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I can't recall him ever using the device to transport like he did. I wonder if this will be alluded to in one of the last two Doctor Who shows to be broadcast later this year, be explained in S4 or never mentioned again...?
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I was amazed at how dark bleak and distressing the show was, especially for a primetime bbc show on the most watched channel in the UK.
Frobisher was brilliant, especially after seeing him play a completely different politico in the excellent The Thick of IT
It wasnt perfect a few plot holes and shaky plot device here and there and the music got in the way a bit
But overall the show was excellent, proper sci-fi for grown ups, obviously going way over the heads of some of the intellectually challenged homphobes that seem to post on here!
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May 23, 2011 4:20:10 PM CDT
I bet $1,000000000 that the next season will take place in America
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Anyone wanna take me up on that bet?
I also reckon it'll star at least one big Hollywood actor.
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