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If you haven't seen the official AVATAR Na'vi image, check it out!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. This image popped up over at ComingSoon.net yesterday and anybody heading to Comic-Con in three weeks is going to get to see this (and much more if this banner is any indication).
After a year and a half of blurry, fuzzy images, fanmade pics, character descriptions... we finally have our first look at a Na'vi from James Cameron's AVATAR! Behold!
Can't wait to see some real footage from this sucker! I'm counting the days until San Diego!
-Quint
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now you get to go home and fuck the prom queen. Prom queen from 1979 that is...or as you call her....mom
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That looks, umm... generic. Like that chick in X-Men, kinda.
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Sweet
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Blue face!!! oh Cameron is gonna redifine science fiction with this one i tells yah folks
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IT'S A ROBOT!
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will kill Avatar? Any news on the rating?
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Downtown is f'n packed beyond belief every year. Luckily most of the closet cases don't hit up the bars. Haven't seen that display yet though. Surprised, usually the streets are lined with Comic-Con ads by now.
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the real avatar.
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i has them
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I doubt JC will post a standard trailer on the internet. He might show some footage at ComiCon OR do some early test screenings, and count on word of mouth to bring in the masses. If he posts a trailer on the net, then everyone will see it in less than ideal quality, and then rip on it for 'not being all that'. At this point he won't risk it. The stakes are too high. So no trailer, maybe just some teaser images.
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Listen!!
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This movie is gonna rock! I may even look up at the screen while i'm at the cinema this time (usually i don't watch the movie, i just give my bf head)!! yay
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Laser tits and Katana asses, much more interesting.
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As far as news morsels go, this is not even a crumb. This is a speck...an atom.
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It makes sense that Iron Jim went with a humanoid-like avatar.
Supposedly the actual Na'vi are a little less humanoid in features (I heard that avatars have 5 fingers/toes and more human-like face, while Na'vi have 4 fingers/toes). Mr. Cameron probably realized that a less humanoid face/form would make it difficult for the audience to connect to the story/characters. Bold move on the eye, though. Part of Davy Jones' realistic connection was his human eyes - eyes are the toughest part of crossing the uncanny valley.
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A trailer should be in the works. What big blockbuster will that trailer be attached to? Something coming out in August or September that's going to be huge?
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...will be attached to the movie "9" in September. Or it could be released in August attached to Basterds or GI Joe, but both those films seem like crap. Not much coming out in August that would be worth hitching this trailer onto.
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Those movies reached out to more people this summer than most movies did last year. I don't get it.
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And it was just OK.
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Bravo Cameron. And no, our eyes aren't gonna be fucked.
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My eyeballs have just been fucked so good! Thank you Cameron. :)
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He probably goes through several re-workings of the trailer until he's satisfied, which means it might not come out until October.
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"That looks generic" like that chick from xmen.
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"Glad you're here Howard! The star faced midnight lion lady escaped from the Zoo!" "You mean the Na'vi?" "Exactly!" Is it just me, or is this FUCKING BARELY A PICTURE OF A NA'VI?? When I saw the headline I was thinking, "Ohhh shiiit, here we go, I'm about to actually have something to get excited for avatar about..." And then it's a picture of a comic con advertisement flag. And now I'm thinking, "I'm so fucking tired of every scrap of this thing being news." This is exactly like when the first Iron Man poster turned out to be... the helmet. Looking just like the iron man helmet was ever gonna look like. Now of course that movie ended up being RAD, and this one will too (even though the plot sounds really boring... like... video game boring), but as of right now I'm more stoked about M. Night Shyamalan's kids fantasy action superpower movie than this one. And I have a sneaking feeling it's not just me.
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I don't know shit about Avatar, so...
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Just like that chap in the poster!Good call on the face. It looks like a guy in make-up, not CG, which bodes well. Plus, it's supposed to be fairly humanoid - at last at a cursory glance. The whole point of the Navi is that they ARE humanoid (though 10ft tall and blue), not some random shit because a)the audience has to relate and b) there has to be some common shared genetics between human beings and Na'vi, since the Avatars are human/na'vi DNA re-combinants. I expect the actual Na'vi will have even more alien characteristics. This is all subtle, well thought out stuff, not hokey bullshit aliens with 10 eyes, six arms, and backwards legs.Also that face looks menacing as hell - the Na'vi/Avatars are supposed to be imtimidating. I think all the sceptics can banish images of camp, dancing blue mooncats from their minds. James Cameron will NOT disappoint.
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it's a blue guy with yellow eyes...the concept art we see a week ago was way cooler.no way this is gonna be better than Piranha Part 2: The Spawning
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it kinda hurt, too.
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So generic is good, as long as it's CG? That's curious logic.
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This movie has been nothing but hype for two years! It better rip out my eyeballs and skullfuck me to make up for everything I have and haven't heard about it to date.
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If you look at the features of the face, there are basic patterns similar to Sam Worthington, the main character in the film. That is an image of his avatar.
The Na'vi are supposed to have a little less humanoid features.
. Just saying. Respectfully.
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...why I'm supposed to be excited about this film.
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I know literally almost nothing about this project. I'm not trashing it. I do love crazy visual trips, so I am rooting for this to be something awesome. I'm not really a CG fan, but I did like Beowulf.
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You are supposed to be excited about this film because it will have the best special effects to date. The poster hints at that...it's CG... Maybe the best I have ever seen.
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you wouldn't give it a second look. I'll get excited when I see a trailer that generates excitement.
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Fucker made 200 some odd million in 5 days. That's a shitload of unfucked eyes.....
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Agreed. What's up with this movie? Worthington seems kinda lifeless to me. And Why can't aintitcool get the hot stuff anymore? In the old days you guys would have beat comic con to this. I kinda liked when you were a bit more against the grain.
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I'm sorry, but when you look at that face, you kind of want to bang it. Sam Worthington isn't going to look like a babe in this movie. http://www.geektyrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/navi1.jpg
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..... You, and so many other just aren't getting it. That poster is CG. It's the best CG ever produced. People keep assuming its an actor with makeup. It isn't. The point is that Cameron is going to produce photo-realism. Compared to Avatar, Gollum is going to look like a childs crayon drawing. That is the point.
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Yeah, the trailer will be interesting, as Cameron wants it just right, judging from the interviews he's had.
Wow, "9" - I totally forgot about that film! I need to add that to my top films to see in the theater, which are:
1. District 9 (August)
2. 9 (September) - thanks for that!
3. The Road (October)
4. Avatar
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Jul 02, 2009 9:28:53 PM CDT
10 feet tall, long necks, big eyes, tips of noses are cat like
by thepilgrim
colored blue (darker than I thought) they have long jointless fingers, weird slimy jelly fish like tenticals coming out of their heads and tails, and they got sparklies all over them. Jeremy loves sparklies!!!!
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Jul 02, 2009 9:30:20 PM CDT
But Mystique lost her mutant powers and went all tan.
by eats_sandwich_gets_laid.
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From Beauty and the Beasts TV Series. Image of the Na'vi is not clear enough to see if they simulated flocking like hair covering.
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...actually looks like the ones used in 'The Last Airbender' subtitle of the Avatar:TLA TV series. Which is weird.
Fingers crossed that there's going to be some eyeball-fucking footage in San Diego. I gather the complete run-down of panels is to be revealed next week. This'll be my first Comic-Con, some exclusive Avatar goodness would be amazing, but I gather Cameron looks down on the convention, so perhaps not... -
Not a female avatar/Na'vi.
Here's a link that mirrors the image:
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/07/avatar-taking-over-san-diego-comic-con.html
Definitely male features. Each avatar/Na'vi will have some of the facial characteristics of the actors.
Look at the talkback in that link, and there are links to other full-faced images of that poster, for visual confirmation that it is a male avatar. Peace. -
Anyone have a link?
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...are you guys. So if it's over-hyped, blame yourselves. And that's NOT a Na'vi. It's an avatar. 100%.
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Or Catwoman!
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Cameron did not cast enough Orientals in this movie! Sign the petition to protest! Boycott the film!
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Yeah man, I know it's CG. The test of realistic CG is never in the stills, it's how it moves. And yeah, everyone knows that's CG, I mean... LOOK AT IT! The huge gold iris? The light freckles? The animal nose? That ain't make up. I'm just saying, I was hoping for a dynamic full body shot or something groundbreaking. Instead I got a photoshop face. I really hope it puts other cgi to shame, but as it is, the incredible hulk's face was just as good as this. "I'm waiting to be impreshed."
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Does anyone have a link to the screen play? .... Yeah, I'm a drunk belligerent asshole... I'm sorry to the people I already offended tonight... Screenplay please?
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in a halo setting. fucking hollywood writes itself.
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I can tell it's going to be some of the sweetest eye candy in sometime. But will the story be good? Been awhile since Cameron directed, hope it doesn't turn out to be his TPM.
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.... to get a screenplay around here?
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... an Eyeball I'd Like to Fuck.
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weeping jesus, PLEASE SHUT UP! some of us don't mind waiting a day for something, if it means not having to peruse 18 other retarded sites and running into whiny asshats like you.if it's important enough, it'll be on AICN eventually. and guess what? if that 12 hours after it was on whinyvirgincomics.org, I'm not going to lose much sleep over it.
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There is no screenplay that's leaked for this. Yet.
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Nah, this won't be like the Phantom Menace. Avatar is going to be sexy as hell. It's going to be a love story wrapped around an action film with the best special effects to date. It's going to be all dreamy and shit
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I'm hoping for the best
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WRONG. The screenplay has been online for something like 11 years, every site refers to it, and I can't find it for some reason.
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.... Fucking your eyeballs in 2009
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Wrong on you. You're referring to the OLD treatment. Not a screenplay.
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(sigh). Ok, fine. So do you know where I can find the old treatment? And how much dick I got to suck?
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on digital Jolie from Beowolf. The surface texture on her face and that peachfuzz hair on it.. damn that was sureal. Benjamin Button is cool to but Jolie had the peach fuzz. Peach Fuzzzzzzz
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Have to get a few extra pillows to make up the height difference Na'vi supposedly being 11 feet tall, but hell I love a challenge. You know Sam Worthington is going to bang one, why can't I?
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Treatments are a pain in the ass to write and they're usually just a bunch of fumbling around. The form demands storytelling with absolutely no nuance that is about as exciting to read as a grocery list. I still want to read the old Avatar treatment though, hook up a link.
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....I of course mean "do nothing at all except sit here and drink more beer."
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In the original Star Wars most of them looked human. Big deal.
In the new Battlestar Galactica most of the cylons looked human. Big deal.
Your point, V'Shael? I'm interested in connecting with the story and characters, just as much as reveling in the effects. Hopefully we'll get the best of both worlds.
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...Though I shall praise your kindness for eternity.
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Hey, I hear you regarding the need to read the scriptment. I'm sure if you dig around, you can find it. Obviously that scriptment from 11+ years ago is Jim's Old Testament, then he went through revisions over the years for the New Testament, finally culminating in the King James Testament that will be bestowed upon us, the voracious masses, come December 19th, 2009. Merry Christmas!
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King James Version, not Testament.
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Why so blue?
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right?! i'm just not getting how this creature from dr moreau's island is supposed to change the cinematic world as we know it.
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What. The. Fuck?! Wow, thank you for making my fucking night, AICN, that site is a goldmine.
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and tape it to a camera and record the comic con footage and leak it. It will be in 3d, so plan ahead!
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However if it's CG it's bloody good.
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And the person who tapes the comic con footage of Avatar better bring a tripod with them, because if we get the same shitty shaky cam like the Tron preview, I'm gonna have to choke a bitch.
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Agreed. And however films it, please make sure no one makes a fricken' sound around the camera.
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And yeah, make it a good video for us to see. Thanks in advance.
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Wait... it's a different Navi? Nevermind.
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Is this why "The Surrogates" was made just now? JC's $750 bil, 14-year-in-the-making 3D epic will end up being the second movie in 3 months to feature remotely controlled substitute bodies when it comes out in December. The Mouse is evil! Evil!
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Punch that fat bastard in the eye and steal whole damn 3D apparatus. Bring that shit to my house and let it have its way with my eyeballs.
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...a character in Ocarina of Time?
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..it was. lol Glad the memory isn't playing tricks on me yet.
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I hadn't even seen your post! Cracked me up. "Hey! Listen" (brrriiinnng)<---- game sound lol
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fucking douches!
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It's a shitty song... Most likely the comic-conners will be seeing the same footage as the people in Amsterdam... Apparently an actual trailer won't be due out until August...
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ing imho because that looks like good make up fx. Gollum was damn good, but I could still tell he was cgi. The first time my eye was completely fooled was Davy Jones. Adn it looks like they have succeeded here as well. If this is the level of photo real we can expect in this movie, then holy shit this could look amazing...
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Jul 02, 2009 11:03:17 PM CDT
The film company must be scared as shit about this movie
by lockesbrokenleg
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one of the Na'vi/human hybrids that are used as avatars. The real Na'vi apparantly look more alien....Disagree with you about the eyes though dude, they have to be alien looking imho, the eyes go a long way towards selling something as being otherworldly.....
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, only an old scriptment that was written in 1995 (which is now out of date as clearly many things have been changed). However if you would like it I can email it to you if you want, but obviously you would have to post your email address (which may not be a good thing on here...lol)
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Especially human eyes. That's why Gollum looks better than Beowulf. There is no life in Beowulf's eyes. But there's a disconnect with Gollum because he's so outlandish looking, I'm not constantly comparing his eyes to normal human eyes. Even Dr. Manhattan works, because you can't see his pupils. And I'm pretty sure these alien eyes are helping James Cameron get closer to photo real. Next up, lip synching...
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I thing you are pretty dead on my friend, the Na'vi will be quite menacing. Apparantly they are supposed to be somewhat sinister looking even. But as you say, there will be no camp here....
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Jul 02, 2009 11:12:29 PM CDT
still not fuckin hyped. cameron is being a douche
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
the way hes acting i hope this movie fuckin flops hard. just show the fucking trailer you old fuck.
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, I really like how you can see the skin pores, texture, and lines in the skin. I love the hyper attention to detail. Apparantly Weta, ILM, and Digital Domain are working their asses off and really have had to push themselves to meet Cameron's exacting standards. Even had to develop a number of new software programs...
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my email is look54345@yahoo.com
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...isn't ready, ya know?
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damn clever imho. Everything about how this movie has been handled is completely against the grain of how its done these days...and thank God for that. Im sick of seeing everything in the trailers (Hello Transformers 2!), and feeling like I have already seen the fucking movie. Cameron, just keep doing what you are doing, old school baby, like it was with JP, T2 etc....
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im at work at the moment, but will do when I get onto my laptop.
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use Cameron wants a trailer that will highlight the world he has created, and that is approprite for 2d screens, as that is how most people will see the trailer first I guess. He has made it clear that the movie will play in both 2D and 3D. And as we all know he is a serious perfectionist....
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...is the way light is softly diffused over the skin, as opposed to that plastic look that most CG has. Also the lips.... the texture is perfect, and again, the way the light is diffused over them... Jesus, am I writing a critique or a Roberta Gellis novel?
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It looks like a cartoon movie. It's painfully obvious this is an CG animated wankfest.
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I agree. I like the mystery. I'm salivating a little bit, but like that I have no idea what is being served to me. I sort of want to read the scriptment to satisfy writerly curiosity, but the fanboy in me says to just trust in Cameron's showmanship and wait for a serious eyeball defiling. Also in regards to textures, hair, skin pores and etc. I think they are getting close to perfection with that stuff. I'm waiting for the day that they make a movie where they don't tell anyone one of the characters is CGI, and see how long it takes for people to notice. We'll know we've crossed the uncanny valley if someone can pull that off.
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Jul 02, 2009 11:31:39 PM CDT
On the topic of scriptments, treatments, unproduced screenplays,
by gwai lo
unused drafts, and products of development hell in general... where do you people find this stuff? Is there a magical treasure trove somewhere? Tell me the password. I somehow must read Richard Kelly's Cat's Cradle adaptation. I want to write that screenplay, dammit.
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It almost looks like the Pleiades.
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Awesome image. The panther people. Wicked.
How is San Diego looking this year for the con?
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Subtle but it's there.
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Jul 02, 2009 11:34:12 PM CDT
...I'm surprised we haven't already crossed the uncanny valley
by gforce05
Considering Final Fantasy the Spirits Within came out in 2001! And that movie was pretty damn close. I was just talking about this with someone the other day, I feel like effects studios have been seriously slacking off since then. How do you get that close in 2001, and it seems that we have hardly gotten any closer since.
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And he WILL deliver.
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Good call! It does look like it could be a constellation. sag, I think I remember reading that, but I agree with you about the way this movie is being handled. In general I just like that Cameron does whatever he wants at his own pace. Sure, I'd like to have seen a couple films from him in the last decade, but why force something if you're not inspired? I also like that (for now) I can read this Avatar talkbacks without fear of major spoilers. It's refreshing.
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Keep teasing us. Do not cave to the ADD addled masses that need to see everything before entering the theater. Of course, if you do show them everything, they will rip it to shreds. I am happy with the marketing as is.
I am also impressed that no one working on this film has leaked anything. I feel this proves that they know they are working on something special. After a crappy summer full of T4, TF2 and G.I Joe, Big Jim will show everyone how it is done...including Lucas.
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than this. And they were all CG save for one or 2 actors.
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I got friends that have worked on some high profile stuff. Their schedules are nuts. Plus different effects houses doing different shots leads to movies where the CGI is photoreal in places and dodgy in other places (see: The Incredible Hulk) Hey, many filmmakers still have trouble making their shots look as real as stuff from 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's a very long and arduous learning curve.
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Why are people claiming the old 1995 treatment is so hard to find? I found it with one google search of "avatar" on about the 4th or 5th link I tried. Either I got lucky or you guys are lazy!For those that haven't read it yet, definitely worth a read regardless of how much they change, especially to give a notion of the flora and fauna of Pandora (which is described in surprising detail). Even if only 1/10th of it makes it into the movie as described, you're still going to be looking at some of the most imaginative critters we've seen onscreen in a long time (barring Cloverfield, I'm struggling to think of ANY movie in the CGI era that has had more than one type of ORIGINAL creature design in it - this has about a dozen)
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Don't mean to sound like a dick... but the banner shows/reveals very very little. Yay Comic-Con!!
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You fags get hard over anything.
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Jul 02, 2009 11:43:05 PM CDT
last time we waited forever for a trailer a big budget movie=SUP
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
funny because i liked it even though now i relize he just lifted up things
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DRY LAND IS NOT A MYTH!
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Post the link you smug bastard
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Jul 02, 2009 11:43:53 PM CDT
last time we waited forever for a trailer a big budget movie =
by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken
SUPERMAN RETURNS
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I've read horrible things on this site before...and you banned me for a few obnoxious posts! You really are a biased red-headed faggot bitch! LONG LIVE MICHAEL BAY!!!!
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You know fuck Cameron, almost 13 years between movies, and we haven't even gotten a FUCKING TEASER TRAILER. FUCK THIS MOVIE.
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Jul 02, 2009 11:45:44 PM CDT
Superman lifted that goddamn Australia size hunk of kryptonite
by gwai lo
right into the goddamn sky he did. Because he's the goddamn Superman.
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I thought 'its' design was pretty poor. I went home and sketched up some creatures that were much cooler. In fact, I thought the idea of a mutated whale was cooler than the actual idea.
It made no sense. Was it an earth creature? If so, why hadn't we discovered it yet? No creature lives in isolation, and a creature that size would have been discovered centuries ago. Was it from space? If so, that's just as stupid. So they are telling me that that the atmosphere condusive to life on the alien planet is exactly that of Earth? By the way, a create that size would never be able to support itself in Earth gravitation field, it would collapse under the its own weight. -
Last Action Hero! This guy is the Will Farrell of Directors....Hit or Miss!
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You titboob
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reading back my last post... fuck am I drunk
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Yes, I mentioned that was a Na'vi/human hybrid (i.e. avatar) earlier in this talkback. Glad we agree on that.
The eyes...always a tough hurdle. Gollum was impressive, Davy Jones even moreso. Gwai Lo, agreed on your points as well regarding this. I really hope that these effects houses Big Jim is outsourcing to does their VERY BEST in this final push to Dec 19th, because this could be a positively historical moment in motion pictures. -
My eyeballs are totally fucked! this changes everything! No one has ever, in the history of cinema, brought such an innovative and original vision to the screen!! Thank God you were all here to remind me how genius this was and how it would give meaning to my otherwise empty life.
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He didn't direct it...but he had a hand in it. Just like I have a hand in your moms dry vage
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Harry is a Michael Bay hating cunty cunt cunt!
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... He does Cloverfield, Fringe, and Star Trek and claims to be some scientist/artist when his work is so scientifically illiterate its sickening. HG Wells was a scientist/artist... Abrams and Spielberg... uhhhhhhhh NO. They both flunked physics and biology and it shows in their work.
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THIS SUMMER WITH LOST AND TREK! DAMN STRAIGHT SKIPPY!!
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spreading wide so you can talk out of it. Neither the Wikipedia article nor the IMDB page for James Cameron list Last Action Hero in his credits. So you are wrong, "Charger28"
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Any idiot can write whatever they like on Wikipedia - it's a crap source for info as far as reliability goes. All it says is that he had an acting part in LAH. Well, that's not true either, because he doesn't, not even as a cameo. It also says Cameron had a hand in early drafts of X-men also, which I've never heard documented anywhere.
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aint sayin' it wont be good, you just cant tell from a little picture of a blue face with big eyes.
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He is just Michael Bay in disguise. Can't you see the similarity in directing style and writing style? He is just jealous that Cameron is about to school him in how to make a sci-fi/action film.
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Always have to have a bunch of apostrophes in their names. Give them an opportunity now and then to have nice, flowing beautiful name. If Tolkien apostrophicated Elvish, it would just be Klingon. Fuck Klingon.
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Yeah...fuck them up their fucking Sa'Huts.
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are slacked jacked fagots who enjoy raping small boys.
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the last action hero? Geez dude, please pull your head out your ass. And lockbrokenleg.....give me a break, your opinion is so worthless given that you like TF2 (a cgi wankfest if there ever was one) and think its better than the matrix for fucks sake. What have all the Bay fans come here to shit on this because they arte pissed off at the fact that sci-fi action fans with standards found TF2 to be utter garbage, and that we are interested in something that will probably get get critical acclaim? Move along guys, Avatar wont be for you, there wont be explosians every 5 minutes, there will be confusing (to you guys anyway) things like a story, characterization, and thematic content. Also, you will be confused by the action as it will be shot and framed in such a way as to establish the geography of the action, there wont be any shaky cam or overuse of close-ups (so you will actually be able to tell whats going on). And your patience will be worn out because the action will be an organic extension of the story, as opposed to just a reason for more things to go boom...
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Chill out dude, ain't got much love at home? I love being an ass and whine all day. I mean, what can you do? Telling me to shut up?
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nuff said
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Fanboys will be killing themselves!
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this news IS 2 days old, can't rely on AICN anymore...
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Cameron doesn't owe you a movie or a trailer. Sometimes the rants on talkbacks are silly, disturbing, insulting, intelligent, insightful, unnecessary, funny, lame, brilliant, etc. etc. etc. More often than not it makes for good reading. But this name calling and insulting because someone in creating art on their own terms is absolutely ridiculous. James Cameron owes you NOTHING. It doesn't matter if he hasn't made a film in FIFTY years. It's his film already! lol Dang.
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...Transformers2.I don't really think I need to explain further, because it JUST. DOESN'T MATTER. Seriously, one of the 10 worst films I've ever seen. I almost walked out several times but the people I was with didn't want to leave. Talk about a pile of nothing.
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Stop calling that abomination T2, damn it! There is already a GOOD movie that goes by T2 and you insult it every time you call that pile of robot puke by the same name.
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... to be fucked. Without the KY cause it will sting my eyes.
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then nothing dude, its just a movie, if it does turn out to not be good, it will be dissapointing because i have always wanted an epic sci-fi action space opera with a more adult tone and sensibility (ala TDK to superhero films). But otherwise....*shrugs*
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There is only one T2, and it certainly isn't an incoherent shambles of a movie about robots with cast-iron (wrecking) balls!! (not to mention, Transformers sequel doesn't even have a numeral in its title, so the abbreviation makes no sense whatsoever). Bay outdid himself in retardedness. He is nothing but a mindless inbred yokel (and certainly has the tastes to match) - JC is Einstein in comparison.
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So I take it you saw ROTF then? I was less than impressed personally.
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Jul 03, 2009 1:18:12 AM CDT
Looks suspiciously like it might be classic a sci-fi to me
by mysterious_volvo
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that some footage will be shown at Comic–Con in 3D. Possibly, the same footage that everyone who has written about this movie has seen, which is something like 10-15mins.Anybody got spare tickets they wanna sell?
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screen 3D, so make of that what you will.....
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Jul 03, 2009 1:36:43 AM CDT
Why has there been bitchin' in the media about the budget?
by standundermyumbrella
It cant cost just $200 million can it?
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With 3-D now a mainstay, I imagine that every ComicCon will have an outfitted 3D screen. The banner, I feel, proves that Cameron will be showing 3D footage. We will find out soon enough.
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It's already 7 months into the year—I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
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I CAN'T WAIT!!
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There is nothing there. .. it's like smelling a hot chick's fart when she walks by you in the bar, it means NOTHING
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...doesn't necessarily ensure that. Last year there were Star Trek banners for the Con, yet no footage was shown (I don't even think it was featured in a panel). But it's looking like this time there will be some footage shown, so everything I just said is irrelevant.
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A little mild for-play. Like a dry-hump or something. So far I liked the videogame images, and those eyes and face make an enticing image. But can we please skip the teases and get down to some real fucki...I mean footage.
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Jul 03, 2009 1:48:54 AM CDT
I am tired of hearing of this movie, and I know nothign about it
by cylon_conspiracy
I love sci-fi and I'm sure when whatever "it" is comes out, I will see it and enjoy it, but come on. They've been hyping this film for what seems like years now, and only NOW we're seeing a girl who looks like a cat?
I'm all for not spoiling yourself and not revealing too much info about a movie too soon, but if you are going to hype a film like this, you better give people SOMETHING GOOD to justify all the hot air and meaningess speculation you put out with your film.
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I cut and paste it from IMDB avatar forum:
having worked on quite a few features, I know how much a minute can cost. Knowing how MUCH work is going into a minute of avatar, how many revisions there have been on each and every element of every shot, how much R&D went into the lighting, shading and texturing, the sheer SCOPE of the production and the level of quality demanded by Mr Cameron, going over $200 for this movie is in no way a stretch. I'm pretty sure that Weta got more than that for their contribution alone,and when you factor in Actors, live action sets (AWESOME live action sets, I saw them being constructed) the full size APU, the live action crew, the mocap shoots (pretty cheap, considering) ILM, Framestore et al and the fact that 800+ people at Weta alone are putting a LOT of OT in on this production and you can see how costs can rise.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Every penny will end up on screen. It will LOOK amazing. Like nothing you've ever seen. I only know that the 3d screening I saw gave me a bad headache and nausea, but that was most likely a technical issue at the screening. I did find it hard to believe that JC would put out something that would give people headaches, well technically at least.
as for the costs, I can't know for sure as I'm not privvy to the finances, but I can extrapolate and I've worked on other features that were not as enormous or ambitious as this one and I know how much they cost. This movie is HUGE. It makes Titanic look like a Kid's paddling pool video and look how much THAT cost over 10 years ago!! Avatar is going to be THE movie that all future effects movies are going to be judged by for a good while to come. It's the story that concerns me most, but then I liked Titanic, still do. Even the cheesy bits. Think Dances with Wolves meets Aliens. With kickass battle armour and planet spanning war. Doesn't sound too bad, eh? -
Genre fans are used to getting leaks that titillate and excite. The days of Blue Harvest are way past us.
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I'm amazed to see so much intelligence on this site.
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Really? Wow! Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, seeing as there are also people out there who like to watch mexican women fuck donkeys. Some people just enjoy watching dumb shit.
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Jul 03, 2009 2:23:24 AM CDT
Cameron has already put out movies that unduce headaches
by lockesbrokenleg
They're called Abyss, and True Lies.
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Jul 03, 2009 2:24:32 AM CDT
Happyfat73, yeah i know imagine people liking dumb popcorn movie
by bongo123
I mean there’s guys out there that like fat chicks... what gives... and how can anyone not like startrek!!?? Or waffles... i thought we were all the same, as for the Mexican donkey fucking.. isn’t that how your dad met your mum, when the donkey couldn’t get it up and he stepped in...
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friend. Did you not check out some of the stuff being said in the TF talkbacks? Apparantly you should nt expect a story, characterization, or logic because it aint shakepeare, and if you were offende by it, or thought it needed things like plot or characterization you are a left wing liberal nut...lol. Yeah it was actually THAT nuts...
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Hardly unique don't you think.
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films with loud, obnoxious crap like TF:ROTF...
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True Lies is what TF2 wishes it could be. A light action movie that doesn't take itself seriously, but still provides imaginative set-pieces that one can follow.
The director's cut of The Abyss is a tremendous film. The one thing one can't say about Cameron is that he gives people headaches. He doesn't use shaky-cam and has a great sense of story structure and geography. -
It's silly panderous shit. Tom Arnold was terrible, and the only real good scene is at the start. Jamie lee Curtis was just awful, too.
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Yet, you claim to like 2001. That has an even more obtuse ending and the warp sequence seems to last forever. Keep in mind, I actually love 2001, but to attack The Abyss for being boring is strange in relation to 2001.
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Jul 03, 2009 3:08:27 AM CDT
Who care when Bubbles the Chimp is in the news again?
by anything but tangerines
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MJ's startling pure white genitlia
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I usually skip to that section of the movie when I watch it. I like some aspects of the Abyss. The characters are great, and the military part of the story I liked.
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It was trying too hard to be James Bond with a harder edge. I can get a better spy movie with a classic Bond than in True Lies.
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It was posted by other sites two days ago.
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Titanic, T2, and Aliens.
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Hmmm
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That the rabid fanboys who think this movie is gods gift to cinema should calm right the fuck down.
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Or did you see anything else? A poster maybe?
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popped out my eyeballs , rubbed them all over his sweaty cock and drenched them in spunked before popping them up his ass for good measure
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Where James Cameron and True Lies sucks, and JJ Abrams and Mission Impossible 3 rocks.
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Where The Abyss sucks and Star Trek rocks.
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Fucking A.I. with Haley Joel Jackson-bait.
We'd hear all this bull about how Kubrick, the great god Kubrick, saw the effects in Jurassic Park and said "Now, finally, the technology is here, and I can make my masterpiece called A.I."
And we followed it for ages. And marvelled at stills which showed robots with the faces of girls, and Jude Law as an unconvincing sex bot.
And when A.I. finally came to the screens? Sure, Harry sucked it's cock. No surprise there. But a large number of people did call it a steaming bag of boring shit.
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Where people only watch the 'space bits' of 2001 and think Transformers 2 rocks.
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That's a lot of dope. And great eyes too Did Not See That Cummin'.
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Cameron has spent years on this. Spielberg knocked out A.I. in a few months.
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Like really gigantic titties I mean. Not the wrestler.
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Agreed, A.I. was a rushjob.
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not V'Shael.
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—the AintitCool talkbacks age well, don't they?
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Where The Mist is cool, and Titanic is crap.
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You're an idiot. AI wasn't rushed, it was developed for years. The problem was Spielberg trying to be Kubrick, but being unable to ditch HIS trademark elements.
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Kubrick developed it on and off for years. Spielberg picked it up and shot it in 2 months. Thats what i'm talking about. Now who's the idiot?
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The Mist is indeed awesome. But Titanic isn't crap. It wasn't to your taste (nor mine) but you can't say its crap. On a technical level its mindblowing.
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Indeed.
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You, for saying it was rushed. It wasn't. And if you still maintain it was rushed, I'll throw back that Cameron did nothing with Avatar for multiple years, and then pushed it quickly back into production.
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Kubrick spent 2 years shooting Eyes Wide Shut. Spielberg spent 2 months shooting A.I.
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Way better than the last 2 years, what sorry excuses those were. Avatar will make everybody shit their pants.
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Yeah it's to Cameron's advantage that all the big summer blockbusters have been shit. The game is his for the taking now.
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Comics? Anime? Avatar?
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Get it through your head. You bash so much on this site and you're a Lost fanboy. There is so much wrong with that.
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half a blue face, mindblowing!
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I don't care about Blackest Night, or the new Batman. It's obvious Bruce Wayne is coming back at some point. I don't follow Marvel much so that's out the window. Anime? The only anime I care about these days is Shinichiro Watanabe's. But he's busy working on that shitty Bebop live action movie that will suck.....uh I just want to see some Avatar stuff. It's half a year off. We have to see something now!!!
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The movie was fairly mediocre. And they just threw in that stupid ending to distract you from the rest of the pile of shit you watched. All you would think was, "wow, poor guy" when you should be thinking "that was a piece of shit, did Darabont actually make this?"
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heres a preview of a shitty show called LOST: http://tinyurl.com/lfkylx STARGATE is way superior, LOST lovers are gross, from my experience with them.
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its like death throat, i mean deep throat.
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The two slightly less accomplished Cameron films from each decade (although arguably the special edition of The Abyss propels it to the front ranks of his output), but still terrific stuff that lesser directors would give their right testicle to have in their resume (and maybe their left, as well).True Lies was not trying to be a 'Bond film with a harder edge'. It was trying to be a send up, a boderline (though not quite) spoof, and an imaginative twist on the spy genre (what would Bond be like if he had a dull domestic life as well as his glamorous job as a spy? - something which has personal resonance both to Arnold's life as well as Cameron's, since he was coming off a third divorce at the time -yes, even this was a highly personal film as was The Abyss, with it's depiction of a failing marriage. Lies was a comic spin on his predicament and feelings thus). That's a big difference in intent than just being a Bond clone. And yet it succeeded as both a comedy/parody and a straight-ahead action flick, too, which is an extremely difficult line to walk. It's almost a farce, the action scenes have got ridiculous looney tunes comedy slapstick in them, and the villains are verging on the comical as well, but you can still take it seriously as an action movie, and there's genuine tension and suspense. Basically, Lies is a gleefully and consciously silly, fun, and un-PC movie made by an intelligent guy, whereas TF2 is an offensively dumb and unconsciously un-PC excursion into bad taste by an even dumber and un-self-aware director - there's no irony in Bayformers. And even if we're comparing True Lies directly to the Bond films (and it's quite a different animal), it is better than any Bond that came between Connery and Casino Royale, with the possible exception of OHMSS. Yes, it's far better than the crappy 90's Brosnan films. Regarding The Abyss, I won't labor the point, but suffice to say that those who worship the tacky, ADD-riddled excesses of TF2 - well, I can see how it might appear 'boring' to such pea-brained minds.And finally, as for all this so-called 'hype' around Avatar. News for you: there is NO hype. Not in the 'real' world. Nobody in the general public even knows anything about this movie, there is no awareness whatsoever that it exists. That will soon change. But 'hype' among a small cadre of hardcore movie fans online isn't the same thing. Hell, there are plenty who post here who don't seem to know much about this project at all.
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I dunno. Any other things about Comic Con? Ever read "Kick-Ass" or "The Boys"? Are you going to any panels?
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why settle for less when you can have it all ---- STARGATE has adventure, action, sci fi, its sexy, and its entertaining...watch SG-1 and Atlantis and try to prove me wrong, you will find your eyeballs not only fucked but mesmerized...STARGATE is not a one night stand like AVATAR, its a long-relationship full of excellent eye fucking.
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That show feels like a step above Sci-Fi Channel's "Flash Gordon" to me.Sorry, that's 'SyFy Channel.' Meh.
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STARGATE UNIVERSE cast will be in comic con, you should check them out
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Yeah Lost ends next year. Thank God. It hasn't been good since the first season. Everybody says season 5 was good, but it was merely a decent season. And you had to sit through the piles of shit that were 2, 3 and 4. How does this show have so many fanboys? Oh wait, the constant use of flashbacks and clear lack of ending in sight. People bash BSG. But all the sane people knew how it was going to end.
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Stargate is the epitome of 'never even rated at all.' Seek therapy.
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I only heard mild complaints about the ending.
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dude i knew how exactly BSG was gonna end, because it was the only logical conclusion. LOST dragged on heavily and i couldnt stand all those empty unfulfillable episodes. it was like the writers had one idea and wanted to milk it for all those seasons, same thing happened to Heroes
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Might as well ask, 'cause it just might be interesting…
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only watched by the numb-minded idiots that roam the earth at the daytime searching for a job and maybe a house. STARGATE is where its all at, smart people like me have been watching it and refusing to give in to the shit-eating-contest that is BSG.
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check out the cool trailers http://tinyurl.com/pxsogv
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for a Nebula Award. so that should tell you how good it was. i dont remember BSG ever being nominated in the same category as TDK
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than a whore on steroids
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Might as well. Can't be worse than "Ghost Hunters" now can it? And, nothing, I mean nothing is worse than "Flash Gordon."Thanks for the link.
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they are both equally shitty right down to the most basic shit-filled particle.
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i cant imagine God watching BSG or LOST, they are too boring and will waste his time.
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any time man, keep cool and stay away from craptastic shows.
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You know, I always considered Spielberg to be a tool. A garden tool. He has a keen sense of what's hot/not, great timing on the release dates, but that's all. Never broken the mold like a Kubrick or, say, a Cameron, making the type of movie that changes everything you thought you knew were the movies. He hasn't done that ever. Unlike the classy gem OLDBOY, and his version of that and his party over the weekend chopped and screwed versions of everything classy and original OH I'm angry. WAR OF THE WORLDS? INDIANA, DUEL, ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT Oh F You. Not you Zed, SS, you seem like a classy gem willing to admit it's faults. Nicks.
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then he will be really pissed and 2012 might just be our last year. i wont blame him, its too shitty of a show.
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dude, for the love of god, go find some stargate related talkback for that shit, you are in every talkback pimping that crap. And for the record, how do you know anything to be fact about Avatar? Did you hop in your imaginery time machine and travel to the future? Must be in the same imaginery world you live in where anyone gives a shit about this tv show.....
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I DISAGREE!
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your assessment of TL.
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Oh my sides.
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so that pretty much tells me he cant tell the difference between chocolate and dog shit. Yikes!....how god awful must this stargate show be?
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So STFU about it.
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comedian, he makes me laugh...lol
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There's some right morons on this thread. Never mind, 3 weeks til some Avatar footage!
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like a Draenei. Mr. Cameron, are you playing WoW?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdkTIgdOnas
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even way more funny when they have to try even harder to come up with shit to hate Avatar lol.
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, hope you got it. Enjoy!
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the Na'vi were created way back in 1995, so i would guess its just coincidence...
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Need to see a full body pic. But still serously jazzed for this one!
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I'll be around the corner buying tickets to the Jeff Goldblum-man Group. Same paint, more entertainment.
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Good times.
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Enjoy. The rest of us will be busy being blown through the back wall of the theater.
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Megan Fox vs. Michael Bay... I need to grab the butter really quick.
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This movie is about the Blue Man Group?????
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that was like really old article
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"..how god awful must this stargate show be?"
Stargate is a lightweight, cheesy, fun sci-fi TV show. It's quite enjoyable, has some fun characters and doesn't take itself too seriously.
However, dioxholster is a fucking mental case if he thinks it is anywhere near the league of Lost, BSG or freaking Avatar(!!!). Dickholder is a notorious troll who is either genuinely mentally retarded or has the worst taste in entertainment of anyone ever.
Despite no other human being remotely agreeing with him, he continues to pump out hundreds of trollish posts extolling the virtues of Stargate as the pinnacle of entertainment and vastly superior to everything else ever filmed.
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What if Avatar's story really IS like Pocahontas? Now, if it's like the Real story of Popo, nice, but the bullshit version most are familiar with? That... would suck hard. Like the real Pocahontas under the table at Thanksgiving hard. This could be a ham. Here's hoping it's glazed.
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and thanks for putting all that into perspective.
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Sweeeeeeeet. I'm going to read it right now. I'll let you know what I think.
Anyway, people who are talking shit about Avatar on here don't seem to understand what Cameron is trying to accomplish. He takes on projects that are almost impossible to film. They are always beyond the cutting edge. He challenges himself with every single project. He makes movies that are almost always the most expensive for their time, drawing ridicule through production, because everyone knows that if he fails, it'll be his head on a plate for the kind of money he's blown, but he produces, every time.
The Abyss was absolutely brilliant. It was one of the most expensive films, if not the most expense film, when it was first produced. Cameron actually rented out a nuclear silo and filled it will millions of gallons of water to get his shots. Go back and watch the trailer. It was made in 1989, and it could have been made tomorrow. There is absolutely no time stamp on it. It is an action movie with brilliant acting, and incredible tension. It was way ahead of its time. If you don't understand what makes the movie brilliant than I seriously question your taste, and therefore understand why you don't understand "Avatar".
With Avatar it would appear that Cameron is trying to make the first photo-realistic CG world. This hasn't been done yet, not as far as I am concerned. I can always spot the CG. The fact that so many people have come on here saying, "looks just like beast from xmen, big deal" proves that Cameron is succeeding. The banner is a CG image, and it would seem that people who come to this talk-back without prior knowledge of Avatar have no clue. They just don't seem to understand why anyone would be excited about a guy painted blue!
The Avatars and Na'va are human-like so that the audience has an in. Pandora will be like Earth, only more extreme. Like a dream, or nightmare, depending on how you look at it. It seems like it will have the aesthetic quality of a photo-realistic Disney anime, but for adults, haha.
It's going to be beautiful, sexy, cutting edge, and daring.
Cameron isn't going the usual route with his marketing plan. He is appealing to all the geeks directly, at E3 and Comic Con, and letting word of mouth do the rest. He's brilliant.
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I like.
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And stupid idiot geeks will be screaming through all of it.
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here in Chicago....
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I may nick that and put it on my blog :)
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Jul 03, 2009 7:38:35 AM CDT
Quick!!! --Hide it under the mattress!!! --MY EYES!!! MY EYES
by jdanielp
My eyes can nOt WAIT to see MOre!
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Nice to see some Abyss love. You're absolutely correct, it's just a fucking tremendous movie and it still looks great today.
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Would you mind e mailing me the treatment too? I've been searching on google, but to no avail.Until recently I had had little excitement for the project, but with all the tidbits that have been released I'm pretty psyched.
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explained much of the ignorant comments that get posted here by people that know absolutely nothing about this film. but yet they have really strong opnions...
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email. You will have some difficulty finding it due to Cameron having quitely made sure all copies were removed from websites once he knew he could make Avatar...
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I'm just setting up an account; don't want my actual one posted online.
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way to push the boundries of special effects! The green women of Star Trek looked better.
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my real one on here either lol...
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avatarscript@hotmail.comThanks a lot, dude. Much appreciated.
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Next I'll be conjuring up tiny 3's like a fucking professional.
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bringeveryone@gmail.com will do man, I barely use that anyway.
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Ok, I can't find the treatment - only posts saying Cameron tracked them down and terminated them all. Anyone got a link?
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Jul 03, 2009 8:21:26 AM CDT
People are going to be awfully disappointed with this film
by hint_of_smegma
Seriously. I love Cameron's movies, and while I think this will do well at the BO, I don't think it's going to do as well as hoped...and I truly believe it's going to underwhelm as a film itself. The images of production art, this image - we've not seen much so far, but I've seen nothing so cool as a single old art shot from Aliens, or the Abyss. Hell, I'm more excited to see a rerun of any of Cameron's older films than seeing this brand new. The story isn't going to engage a lot of casual viewers, and I have a dread feeling that this film is about 5 years - or more - too late for Cameron. Nothing so far has actually made me want to see it, and judging by the talkbacks over it so far I don't think I'm the only one. Hope I'm wrong, but I really do see a lot of Camerophiles being quietly disappointed come the day of their seeing it.
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Which, if the pacing is there, is a very nice prospect indeed.
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to me at all. I think what little we have seen is damn interesting and exciting. In fact its exactly because so much of what we have seen reminds me of Aliens, only epic, and more imaginative (and I fucking love Aliens dude)
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genius?
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.... Wow. If the movie is anything like what I've been reading so far its going to be the best movie... maybe ever.
The writing is very dense. Cameron goes into minute detail of all the technology and biology behind everything. He gives detailed scientific explanations for the floating mountains, for the avatars physiology (they use the lights on their face to communicate emotion, the colors change, and in intensity, etc...), he explains unobtainium in detail, it is a room temperature electrical conductor found only on Pandora. The engines that powers the ships that go to Pandora. And on and on. It is all interesting. Amazing that Cameron did all this research before he could just grab it all off the internet. There is A LOT of thought here. Much much more than I was expecting, and I was expecting a lot. It is obvious that he is not going to let anyone punch holes in his story. He is also a good writer. The treatment reads like a good sci-fi novel.
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Got wrapped up in trying to conquer the small 3. I'll have a read tonight; pub plans fell through so at least its something moderately exciting to look forward to.
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bleeding.imagine what will happen when the people will go to watch the movie.total genocide.
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Jul 03, 2009 8:38:42 AM CDT
Southafricanguy....just am not having that feeling for it, you k
by hint_of_smegma
Haven't felt unenthusiastic for a Cameron movie since walking out of seeing Terminator the first time back in the day, have loved the guy ever since. Hell, The Abyss is my favourite by him, followed by Aliens and Terminator, and I just haven't seen anything on this so far that has peaked my interest beyond making me wonder why I'm not stoked for it....and it all comes back to "nothing I've seen or heard so far is very interesting", and I take that as a bad sign. I've been a massive movie geek since I was a young kid, and I still get stoked for various upcoming movies by certain directors/artists etc....but I'm really not feeling this at all. It's a complaint I've seen in talkbacks/message boards on various sites so I know I'm not alone. I'm not a hater for the movie, I really hope it does well and changes my mind - but at the moment I'm only going to see it because, well, it's a Cameron movie, and he's not let me down yet. I have a horrible feeling though that I'm going to walk out of that theatre in a few months time not hating it, not loving it, just thinking "meh". Really hope I'm wrong. And also that Sigourney Weaver is for some reason made up and in costume like she was in Galaxy Quest, except that this time all her clothes fall off, but I guess that really is too much to hope for.
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Great name. Had to look up Smegma. Wish I hadn't. See, I have that feeling too about this. It doesn't have the H.R. Giger Alien wow factor like you mentioned, although that's not entirely JC's fault. I'm sure some little tyke heads will absolutely explode once that see this, as my head surely did when I first saw T2 in theaters as a young buck. It's a time thing. You get older, you get wiser, and the wow's are fewer and far in between.
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and its just a scriptment, not even an actual script, nevermind a shooting script...
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please man if you want to talk smack about Cameron's talent at least come up with something factual. You do know he never actually directed that movie, right?
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If the movie is anything like the treatment, the last thing we have to worry about is it being under whelming or "five years to late". Filming what I have been reading will easily top 300 million. It is epic. It sucks you in bit by bit. He teases everything. The unveiling of the na'vi, the first glimpse of pandora, the first glimpses of the life forms there... It is not only CG assets, but the human fortress and equipment on Pandora is probably going to have to be built for real, and there is a lot more than just the helecopters and mechsuits. As for the subject matter, "five years too late" isn't even remotely accurate. What is being described is all incredibly timely, especially today, it deals a lot with an overpopulated Earth etc... It's all very sharp, very brilliantly thought out. There is no competition. All Cameron needs to do is film what he wrote and he will have a blockbuster that demolishes everything else out there.
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can u send me the original script too?
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http://tinyurl.com/ldr7z8
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that you will be proven wrong come this december..lol
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I would, err, also like a copy, if that's alright with you, sir. I'm really not as dumbass'd as I think I may appear to be here. I just get so jazzed up on these talk backs. It's a funny haven! And I love a good read even more so. Please. ameribooty@gmail.com :D :D
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Jul 03, 2009 8:52:57 AM CDT
Excerpt from the treatment... All glory goes to SouthAfricanGuy
by gforce05
Josh hears shots and turns. There is a commotion out on
the killing ground. Near the tractors, an enormous animal
has burst from the treeline and is charging for the fence.
In the dust raised by the giant machines, and with the
number of men around, it is difficult for the troopers to
get a shot. To make matters worse, the sentry guns have
been deactivated in that sector while they bring in the
heavy equipment.
Almost twice the size of an elephant, the beast is called
a HAMMERHEAD TITANOTHERE, and it is like a six-legged
rhinoceros. It has a massive, low-slung head with blunt
transverse projections of solid bone which give it the
look of a hammerhead shark. It is a herbivore, but like
the rhino, elephant and hippopotamus, it can be aggressive
and deadly. Troopers fire there rifles at the monstrous
silhouette charging through the dust clouds, but the
rounds have no effect on the armored head and shoulders.
A trooper in a powersuit strides between the tractors,
trying to get a shot with the GAU 90. Suddenly the beast
appears out of the dust at a full thundering charge, and
the powersuit is knocked down before the cannon can swing
to bear. The bull hammerhead smashes the canopy with one
foot as it charges right over the powersuit, pulping the
trooper inside.
Josh sees the hammerhead close the final distance to the
compound fence. It is coming straight toward him.
Everyone is firing at once, trying to bring down the
twenty ton creature. The ground is shaking in time with
its galloping gait.
It hits the outer fence, smashing right through it. A
powersuit runs forward, striking a firing position, and
opens up with its cannon. The GAU 90 rips into the
hammerhead, blowing divots out of its shoulder and head.
The creature bellows in pain and rage and keeps on coming.
Josh pulls his pistol and adds his firing to the general
thunder of guns.
The hammerhead hits the inner fence. In a blaze of high-
voltage arcing, it bulldozes through the chain-link. It
stumbles, tripping on the wreckage of the fence, then
rises and thunders forward again, filling Josh's vision.
BOOM!!! The cannon roars again and the titanothere
topples forward, plowing into the ground. It flips and
skids, coming to rest in a cloud of dust ten meters from
Josh. There is a beat, then...
Over the creature's body flows a cat-like shape, big as a
tiger. It hits the ground in a ripple of muscle and
bounds straight toward Josh. It is a SLINTH.
Its venom-injecting spear-like head is cocked back on its
powerful neck, ready to strike. Josh raises the pistol,
which CLICKS. Empty.
He faces his death.
Suddenly beside him is N'deh, drawing and aiming his bow
in one swift move. The two meter long arrow flies
straight into the slinth's throat. It coils over itself
in agony like a snake. N'deh knocks another arrow and
lets fly. The slinth shudders and lies twitching.
N'deh walks forward, stepping on the needle-like head
while he removes his arrows.
JOSH/AVATAR
N'deh. Thank you.
N'DEH
Luck.
(he holds up an
arrow)
Fishing points not good for killing
slinth.
The high tech troopers stand around with their blasters,
looking at the stone-age arrow that killed the beast.
N'deh looks at the dead slinth, then at the body of the
titanothere which cleared a path for it all the way into
the inner compound. His expression is enigmatic.
N'deh takes the blood of the slinth on his finger and
draws a line under one eye, then under the other.
Honoring the slinth, and its purpose for existence. He
starts dragging the carcass to the Samson.
Nearby somebody screams. Several hideous insects, almost
a foot across, are leaping from the body of the
titanothere and trying to fasten their hook-like legs into
some of the troopers. With the host dead, the parasitic
WOLF-TICKS are looking for a new ride. A frantic burst of
firing breaks out, as the soldiers jump around, trying to
kill the fast-moving parasites.
Nasty place.
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know if you got it....geeez, im like fucking Santa Claus today lol..
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was built as a massive practical set...
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I didn't mean 'five years too late' to apply to the script's content and it's relevance to current issues, I meant that Cameron may be a few years past his prime now - everytime he's released a movie since Terminator, I've been wowed by the tidbits we got beforehand, and blown away on the first viewing of the various movies. I'm not wowed with this, so what I meant was while I think technically he will be flawless, I have a feeling he will have lost the 'feeling' for making an involving film. Like I said, hope I'm wrong, I really do, but none of this grabs me and I wish he hadn't had a 12 year break between films.
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Just like John Carpenter's ________ ??
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YODA MAN!
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...How the hell has Cameron been able to keep the lid on this thing? If its like the treatment so far its going to be fucking massive.
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know if you got it
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I had the same worries, that Cameron had maybe lost his touch, like Spielberg... but all he needs to do is film what he wrote in that treatment. Everything I have read so far is spectacular.
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As displayed in this TB, what was once a movie of almost mythic proportions, is now close at hand. We are seeing finally seeing and reading about its development and production; and now there is at least a reason for the excitement. Avatar is now my most anticipated film this year.
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ment, not an actual script. The shooting script was co-written with Leate Kalogordis, and many changes have been made....
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pisses me off.
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Jul 03, 2009 9:07:55 AM CDT
EveryonesReimagining....I know where you're coming from
by hint_of_smegma
Sounds like we may be among the more, shall we say politely, mature posters here - in years at least. I still get psyched for movies and shows though, although yeah, I left my teen enthusiasms behind long ago. I guess I was just expecting a new Cameron film to 'grab me' in the lead up the way they used to, the way some movies still do. This one just hasn't shown me any image or given me any script tidbit I can get excited about, so I worry that maybe a lot of the enthusiasm for the movie from others here is "CAMERON IS GOD" type thinking rather than looking at what we've seen so far subjectively. I mean on this talkback we've had people throwing out the "raped eyeballs" nonsense for this image of half a blue face. Technical achievement or not, it's not an impressive image as it stands, yet people are pretending it's a herald of the second coming and that we're all getting laid because of it. 'Fraid I don't see it, it's not an image to get worked up over at all.
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thank you very
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Hope you're both right, guess we'll find out soon enough.
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is like watching a 2d movie blindfolded.
dont judge the movie based on a fuckin photoshoped promo pic for a convention.
even if cameron shows a trailer in the convention,again it wont give justice to the film.because u need a special theater room and special glasses to watch this thing.
jesus christ,what the fuck happened to common sense?
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Well, James Cameron and his cohorts seem pretty sure they are reinventing the human experience with this film. Everybody else is just like "Oh, this reminds me of farscape. Cool" and until a trailer hits I'm going to have a shitty attitude about this film. if the trailer sucks, I will continue that attitude right up until I pay $7 to see the movie. Fuckers.
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I feel like ive been in a peepshow for a year with this movie. Show a fucking trailer already or a titty, something. shit
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It may well be a 3D movie. It is however in the most part, a 2D marketing campaign. Regardless, 2D or 3D, it's not an impressive image even if it is an impressive achievement in digital effects. So forgive me for not creaming my pants over half a pic of a digital Sam Worthington. I'll be happy to come on a talkback after the movie is released and retract my current fears for the films quality, when and if it actually convinces me otherwise. At the moment nothing is doing so. Not seeing the image in 3D has got cock-all to do with it.
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Cameron acolytes or casual viewers regardless. And I feel I'm as qualified as anyone in saying so. Cameron has never been afforded the opportunity to do a sci-fi film on this scale before - in fact, no one has. This isn't just another film from him (which would be reason enough to be excited all by itself), but he's moving up to a level of epic fimmaking that he's never attempted before. This will be his magnum opus (well, until he goes even further with Battle Angel). Why do you think he spent 12 years away? It sure wasn't crippling fear, I can tell you that. He decided that he was going to wait until the technology developed to the stage where he could tell the stories he truly wanted to tell. He's not the type of guy to just throw out another movie by rote; he could have quite happily left filmmaking altogether after Titanic, because he'd already made his mark. But no, Cameron is a guy that loves a challenge. It's no wonder he got on with Arnold so well - they share the same mentality. He has to constantly set himself bigger and bigger challenges and goals. Not all filmmakers have this characteristic, even some really great ones. It's why he's never made a bad film or even a mediocre one - and probably never will(and don't give us any shit about True Lies or Titanic - they are, at even the most conservative estimate, nothing less than very good). The man is just too damn skilled, too much of a true craftsman.Now if all this talk about people not being wowed so far, and steeling themselves for imminent disappointment, is true (and despite what Smegma says, I've seen plenty of excited people around the web), then Avatar is REALLY going to blow a lot of people on their asses. And it seems that a lot of these folk don't really know much about the film. The stuff released so far has been mere tidbits - there hasn't really been any concerted efforts to tease yet. People should not be expected to get too excited over a few images like half a blue face or some video game stills if they don't know much about Avatar. SAG, imagin, and I, as well as others, can get excited and assess these fleeting impressions of the movie, because we have some knowledge of the story, and know a little of the context of these images and where they fit in. Cameron isn't expecting anybody to crap themselves over these tiny glimpses - you will see what he has planned over the coming months when the real marketing kicks in. Doubters - you will be converted, even the most obstinate and jaded among you. And if not, well - there's always Transformers 2 for you.
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I was worried that Cameron would ignore evolutionary theory in Avatar, but judging by the treatment he definitely hasn't. The treatment explains the evolutionary relations between the species. The slinger, which throws his head is actually really cool. I thought that had sounded so stupid when I first heard about it, but the head is like a small bird with a poison dart, so it cocks and launches its head, and the head glides after the prey, homing in using its wings, eyes, and brain. Then it stabs and poisons. It actually makes a lot of sense.
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to get interested about a 3d movie? your logic elludes me.
its like wanting to see how is the texture of the page,in order to read the book which is printed on.
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Hes going to keep it under his bed forever. He thinks hes Frodo with the fucking ring. Stop being a puss and throw the bitch into the fire.
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the scriptment guys. And if anyone else asks for it, all I can say gforce, ominus,geteveryone..pay it forward guys..lol
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Cameron should just "throw the bitch into the fire" and stop being a "puss"? Really? For not showing us more trailers, footage, et al before the film comes out?
I'm giving you the award for "ADD Bad Attitude Quote of the Day". You really should relax.
Because what you wrote represents the most jaded, self-interested viewpoint I can possibly imagine.
Know what I mean?
I want what I want NOW! I want it NOW! Give me what I want NOW, or you're a TOTAL ASSHOLE!
See how juvenile and self-interested that sounds? That's how you're coming across.
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...the final line, which was pretty petulant and frankly beneath you based on your argument prior to it. I genuinely hope you are right and that this will be the epic scifi movie we've all been waiting for, whether from Cameron or whoever. I simply have a feeling that if this is indeed something so epic in terms of story, concept and evolution, let alone effects and realisation, then I should be feeling a bit more excited about it. I've followed the information that's been released, leaked, reported....I've followed the images of production art, comments by actors invovled and comments from Cameron himself and yet for something that is supposedly going to change the moviemaking world and deliver a science fiction movie to knock our socks off, it is simply not grabbing me in anyway and I fail to understand the seemingly utterly over-the-top enthusiasm from posters around the web. In reference to one of your comments, we both know that many, many people are looking forward to this, yes. Like me however, a lot also feel distinctly underwhelmed. I'll be more than happy if I'm proved wrong.
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I love it!! and look... it's also on comic conn right next to it. geez lay it on thick why don't you?
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Has written some pretty intense Sci-Fi, under the impenetrable psuedonym of Ian M. Banks. Likewise, many of his alien races have ' in their names, but the novels are often at least interesting and quite exciting.
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And I am never wrong. Never! It might not have a 200,000,000 opening, but it will not drop at all(!) for the second week. This has "watch it again and again" written all over it.
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..the same as being intelligent, as your ridiculous comments are illustrating. I don't really want to insult you, but good grief man. Think about the idea you are trying to convey, and maybe you'll see how daft what you're saying is. First of all seeing a 2D marketing image of a 3D movie is like watching a movie blindfolded? WTF? Are you really that dumb? No, it's like seeing an unimpressive 2D marketing image, hence the comments. And if you're idea is that anything less than seeing the entire film in 3D is going to be a terrible experience compared to it's 'glory' in 3D, then most people WILL indeed be disappointed with it, as most people will see it in 2D theatres or on, you guessed it, televisions when it hits DVD. If the only way to enjoy it will be 3D, it's something of a major fuck-up, eh? Get this idea into your head: It is a major science fiction movie from one of the known giants in movie making. It is costing so much money, his reputation hangs on it being a success, but you apparently are saying that one of the most contigent parts of making it a success - it's marketing - appears shit compared to the film itself. Not exactly a way to sell a movie, is it, by putting out 'rubbish' marketing. Not everyone is going to see those posters and think, "yeah, doesn't really grab me that image, but if it was just in 3D - well, that would be THE GREATEST FUCKING THING EVER!!!" Give me a break.
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Geroge Lucas did the same thing - remember. James Cameron is not going to make the ultimate film that sees aintitcool talkbacks singing praise with only 1 distractor (like the trek boards) no i think Cameron's style doesn't resonate with everyone. that said....... i hope it has more 'true lies' in it than 'Abyse'I hope it's more Terminator 2 than Terminator 1I hope it has the power of titanic but without all the bullshit that comes before the last hour.
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Was just a tongue-in-cheek comment, not meant to be taken particularly seriously. I guess humor doesn't travel particularly well online. However, I take your point. I have huge respect for Cameron, but I am no blind hero-worshipper. If he drops the ball, I'll be the first to admit it. I doubt he will, though - there's simply too much at stake here. As for the excitement that you feel, or lack thereof, that is, of course, entirely subjective. But for me, the prospect of Cameron attempting a fully realized and entirely original sci-fi fantasy space opera universe, directly written for the screen, something that's really only be done in cinema once before with Star Wars, is reason enough to get excited.
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Mind if I call you that? I’d prefer to. I’m not blown away, but there’s still something good about this one I can’t shake off, unlike cheesy sebaceous matter (I’ll stop) - let’s take a cinematic trip shall we, story aside, that’s established. The 60’s and below, stunt dummies, The Ten Commandments swimming pool. The 60’s thru 70’s, you got your epic car chases, Westworld. The 80’s, Oh Man, clay animation, things generally blowing up and/or getting Mel Gibson smashed, lots of guns, lighting effects (Ghostbusters & the best of ‘em, The Last Dragon ending), topped off with a heap of Jean Claude Slo-Mo. The 90’s, T2, that Matrix hubbub, and CGI overkill. The 00’s, nothing. Not even the more hyped than this, I think, one ring to save them all larf. What else could there possibly be to add after all that? What’s the new trick? Can James Cameron own another special effects era Twice? I have watched many interviews with Cameron on Avatar, and when he talks about it, there’s worry there. Worry Is Good. Very good. And the way he's constantly holding this thing back? He wants to knock our sockets off. And yes. That was an eye joke. Keep hope alive brother. I am positive he's thinking a new way.
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if people go to 2d cinemas to watch a 3d movie,then they are idiots.
but not as idiots as the people,who want 2d still images to get impressed for the 3d motion of the movie..
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Of course, there will definitely not be unaminous praise around these parts, no matter what kind of film Cameron makes, or how good it is. We have insane people here denouncing T2 and Aliens, remember?! Even the first trailer, no matter when it hits, will be greeted with derision from some quarters, even if it is absolutely spectacular. So no, not everyone likes Cameron -but I'm speaking from the perspective of people who have enjoyed some or all of his work in the past, and who may be guardedly optimistic. Lucas is not really a valid comparison in my opinion - the man never really enjoyed direcing anyway.BTW, there was definitely more than 1 detractor of Trek on those boards. Of course, if you're discounting TITBAG on the grounds that he is sub-human, then fair play.
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Cameron said that, (paraphrasing) while "designed" to be viewed in 3D, Avatar is just at home on 2D screens; little will detract from the experience.
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really.
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that to fully experience the movie,u need the glasses and a special 3d panel.
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The idea of an interdimensional portal opening up and it's monster attacking Earth folk is a cool one but the fucking lousy CGI beasties flying around in the supermarket ruined it for me. I didn't like the ending of the main guy shooting his young son only to find out that he didn't need to either, instead of leaving it as a fucked up act of mercy it became a mind fuck twilight zone ending. The best shot in the movie, however, is the shot of the ultra-giant interdimensional monsters walking thru the mist, very memorable and haunting.
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The flying beasties in the supermarket were more practicals than cgi, still sucked though, so did the tentacles, but the cthulu-esque gigantic monster at the end ruled.
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The black and white edition helps the poor cg immensely. Given the story is pretty good, and that one the major flaw, it makes a good film better.Saturating the Tb with my comments, but I'm bored at work.
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genius?
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Could someone please send me a copy of the script/treatment or whatever it is?
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You masterbate to the Navi dont you. If you cant understand what people write, then you just sit at home and keep sticking your fingers in your pee hole. Then smell it. You shit filled vage.
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Finally some idea of where this is going. Although I predict a massive let down, it's been talked about for toom long...
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Totally with you on your perspectives. And V'Shael, you are certainly fair to express your opinions. Besides the Amsterdam (and soon Comic-Con) screenings, the only hype generated is by us geeks. That's good, because it means more money is being diverted to this epic production rather than the promotion/advertising. The Abyss - that movie was like the moon landing in terms of development. Anyone who watched the making of it would agree. Using that nuclear cooling tank, and getting the actors to do those stunts - I just can't see that happening these days with all the legal/regulatory ramifications, etc. And Aliens - $18 million to make that film. And it still holds up today (better than most films out today). The fact that Cameron used only cotton balls and careful lighting to create that climactic nuclear mushroom cloud at the end of Aliens never ceases to amaze me. The man knows how to use practical effects to their maximum. And he will use the new practical/CGI/3-D technology to the maximum on Avatar.
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Poster would have been better if blue dude's eye socket was a bleeding cavity, and our favourite tagline was under the title.
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About this movie. Other than uber-nerds.
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If this film does go HUGE then it might be an idea to snaffle up a bit of memorobilia. Begging the One-Sheet from your local theatre, putting your name down to get the standee after the run's finished, etc. That shit can sell for a lot of money after the event.
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Sweeeeeeet.A V A T A R. FUCKING YOUR EYEBALLS IN 2009.
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Done, dude.
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Needs more dead raped deer, IMO.
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What a great idea...makes things a lot easier...just turn out the lights and get to it.
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This looks pretty enough, but, cmon, its not THAT great. I want to see some STUFF, you know what I mean?
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Jul 03, 2009 12:36:37 PM CDT
suddenly, fat girls with japanese names on thier livejournal
by ironic_name
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a furry movie.
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I can't wait until this PG-13, bloodless, actionless (and make no mistake, giant CGI fighting giant CGI is not action - it's just noise) story of an injured astronaut who can't protect a paper bag falling in love with a blue Thundercat finally gets released to theaters and the 3D and CGI are both met with MASSIVE apathy from an audience with such a short attention-span that they can't really see any difference between it and BEOWULF. The era of even mild audience discrimination is over - it's OW! MY BALLS now. If the audience feels that their mental bellies are filled, they're content 'til the next bread and circus donkey show.
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this loots crap.
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Really? Didn't know that.
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Meh. I've had better.
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I stand by it - this movie is fucking hype without cause. I just can't get excited about it...I certainly hope it's interesting but I don't get all the buzz.
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regardless of its pg-13 rating (which I'm sure it will be with the money at stake), the MPAA has usually been much more lenient with blood and violence against aliens. I don't know how hardcore this movie will be, I'm just saying don't be 100% sure this'll be a soft pg-13
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While I'm not one to moan about blood and violence, people who watched the Amsterdam footage commented about how you could see the Na'vi/Avatar get hurt and bleed and you could see the muscle and bone and it was all photorealistic CG! Besides as others mention Dark Knight was PG-13, is that a pussy film???As for marketing James Cameron is PURPOSELY holding back the hype. He doesn't want to hype the movie and wants it to be discovered on its own merits. The trailer he's cutting is being made knowing that the majority of you asshats will not be seeing it in 3D but instead over the internet, most of you on fucking Youtube! So instead of emphasizing the 3D he's putting out something that just shows Pandora. And besides the blue face thing is an obvious fucking teaser image. Apparently Cameron plans to use those 3D animated lenticular posters. Get with the program.
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...WITHIN IN INCH OF HER LIFE, I WOULD DAYDREAM ABOUT MAKING A MOVIE WITH A LITTLE BLUE BOY FAGGOT AND GIANT ROBOTS IN THE JUNGLE."
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Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I miss the days when an eyeball fucking trailer would come out of nowhere and blindside you, even on movie sites.hype kills, hasn't anyone learned this by now? The final product never lives up to it.So far I have not seen anything that hasn't already been in a dozen games and a hundred anime. Frankly, i'm not impressed. The production art looks like something from Star wars or halo, the photos are a joke, "oooh Jimmy in a chair, pointing", or that Mecha leg that could have been from G-Savior or robocop. The storyline mentioned so far looks right off the production line in japan (though James is a fan so I guess its understandable).Look, i'm not saying its going to suck, on the contrary, I'll probably like the movie, But this "excitment" over word of mouth, summaries and poor quality leaked photos is just too much. So me some eyeball fuckery and then i'll have something to get excited about.
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enter the troll
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.... needs all the CGI work in the whole of Australia to chissel a character out of him.
he can't even spell wooden! -
Michael Bree
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...I'M FUCKING SOLD!
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It's magical.
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faints
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Thundercats HOOOO!!!
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Ahhh yet something else we agree on, I have said from the get go that the hype could very well destroy this movie. The hype being generated by the fans could very well build to the point where the expectations are so high that anything less than a full out masterpiece will be considered a disappointment. Now, I have also said that there is ample reason to be excited as it is the first Cameron film in over 12 years and his return to sci-fi. But some are already anointing it the crown jewel of the 21st century and that is a bit much. I am interested and getting a bit excited for it, but I am also cautious as well. Hype can definitely kill a movie, there is no doubt.
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I'm a huge Cameron fan. I've been constantly checking blogs, film news sites etc once the hu-ha died down following Titanic (yes, I'm a fan - not his best but still fab, Aliens being the pinnacle). I'll get back on track now - what hype? The only "hype"I've got are from Cameron fans on the various boards (good stuff) and non fans (what are you doing here? Are you the sons/ daughtets of Michael Bay?). That's a cheap shot, but there you go. There is no hype for this movie at the moment apart from the relatively few people knocking around the boards. NOBODY outside of these boards knows anything - and that's a lot of people. Roll on December 18th.
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good luck.
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You know you're a VIP if you get to party-down in the NAMBLA luxury suite at the Staples Center funeral.
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willing to sell me their comic con tickets
Any takers -
...I'D PRETEND SHE WAS RIDLEY SCOTT AND THAT I WAS TEACHING THAT ENGLISH PRICK A LESSON HE'D NOT LIKELY SOON FORGET. JAMES CAMERON DOESN'T LIKE ANYONE WHO IS HIS INTELLECTUAL AND CREATIVE BETTER."
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with Revenge of the Sith. You fail!!
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P.S. James Cameron likes TITBAG.
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fuck yeah!
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Some of you whiny shitgarglers really need to look up the word.
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Jul 03, 2009 5:33:16 PM CDT
WE DID SEE IT..ON SEVERAL OTHER SITES 3 DAYS AGO!
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
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Jul 03, 2009 5:41:47 PM CDT
its a gray face with a catnose. those who have said blueman
by ironic_name
can go die
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This is about opening your conscious to the other dimensions we exist in. It is part of the propaganda to help us achieve the next step of getting closer to "one". It is what all the prophecies of "apocalypse" is trying to reveal to us. The Mayans, Hopi, Hindus, Buddhists, red hats, yellow hats, etc. predict. The "truth" so to speak. We all know that a small group of men control the world. We just are told that it's a lie. Yet, we know. Kinda feel it's not a lie. This movie is about taking the next step. Actually listening to that small voice. Then we could realize. It's all imperfect. We as humans cannot be perfect. Only nature can be perfect. Nature does not waste. Everything is symbiotic. Including, time and space. Scientists have even recently discovered organisms larger than galaxies. With the development of quantum physics, we had a scientific way of verifying what we had "sensed" all along. The movies like What the Bleep and Waking life and now Avatar. The "secret society guys" help usher us into the new way of life. The next level of conscious, the idea of one. The Mayas predicted it. They also predicted suffering and chaos. At least we would have evolved.
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Totally f&%#in blazed right now
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If the aliens come. Get on the ships.
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sent it dude.
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Jul 03, 2009 6:35:17 PM CDT
Hundreds were rushed to the hospital after viewing Avatar
by orionsangels
They were treated for shock.
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word
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Governor of Alaska. She said, "I just compete with James Cameron.
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what?
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Some people are paying forward the scriptment...
I would love a little looksie...
silentsentient@googlemail.com
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Jul 03, 2009 8:09:07 PM CDT
"MY EYES, MY EYES. WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAMPER WITH THE UNIVERS
by damiz707
Saw Lea Thompson's name on the other article and thought of this. So y'all know what movie it's from?
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Is that you BSB?...don't be coy.
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Comic-Con, hurry up and get here!
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...SHE SCREAMED OUT MICHAEL BIEHN'S NAME SO I BEAT HER SENSELESS FOR WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN A SOLID WEEK. THAT FUCKING PRICK HASN'T BEEN IN ANOTHER OF MY MOVIES SENSE. JAMES CAMERON DOESN'T TAKE KINDLY TO BEING MISTAKEN."
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Now in 3D
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make into the Avatar thread? The only 3D related to her would be 3Dicks in her face. And to think that you Republicunts wanted her as Vice President....WTF!
As for the Avatar banner. That's Jake's avatar. It's more human then the Na'vi. Jake's avatar is the main role of the film.
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If you sit in front of me at Comic Con, please don't wear a big hat.
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exclusive shite you mean, that just a photoshop job. mirror images. trying to be FIRST and instead you jumped the gun brotha.. you got served!
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You haven't read the scriptment have you.
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Scriptment sent
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http://bit.ly/pQNhP
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Fucking the world's eyeballs in 2009!!!
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There is nothing in this scriptment that deserves an 'R' rating. This is PG-13 through & through.
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I'm lying?
What do you call scenes with guys getting impaled on the ends of alien venom spikes... Guys getting spattered under alien feet... Scenes with doe eyed aliens getting ripped to shreds with gattling guns, a suicide scene, etc... That's PG-13? Since when? The Na'vi aliens breasts are referred to over and over again as being immaculate. Jesus, just read the excerpt that I posted above and tell me that it has the tone of a PG-13 movie. It's "Aliens" meets "Dances with Wolves". Aliens was R, and Dances with wolves was a hard PG-13. Avatar isn't a family film, it has the tone of an adult movie. -
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that is all PG-13 content. I don't really care. I know it is still going to be a rad movie because the scene described by the people who say advanced footage follow the scriptment almost exactly, and the scriptment is fucking awesome. It's like Jurassic Park/Dances With Wolves/Aliens
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I LIKE TURTLES.
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http://is.gd/1n480
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hope you have been keeping well. Yeah I really dont know what all this "hype" is that some are getting their panties in a twist over. As you say its only some over zealous types with the whole "eye ball fucking" thing, which was started on this fucking site. Geez some people here are desperate to hate this film, looking for anything to latch onto....Locksbrokenleg...dude, please stop passing off your desires/dreams as reality. Neither you nor I can 100% predict anything about the success of Avatar. However, given Cameron's track record at the B.O (which must really piss you off) im willing to bet it does just fine. Are you willing to take a gentlemans wager dude? And if you are wrong come December, will you admit it?
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geeks/genre fans are so wanting to hate this film or for it to fail. This is the one big budget, risky, and original sci-fi/action/adventure film we are getting this year. Are nt we all sick of the never-ending remakes/reboots/sequals/prequals? Well if this does fail, then thats probably all we can look forward to, but if it succeeds big, then maybe studios may be willing to take more of a chance on risky sci-fi projects. Nevermind that I have no idea how anyone that is a fan of either sci-fi or action is nt excited by the prospect of an epic space opera made by the guy that did Aliens and the first two terminator films, teamed with Stan Winstons last work, Weta and Digital domain, and many of the best conceptual artists working today, and cutting edge fx (with a real attempt to push fx forward).
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scriptment.....
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not forget District 9, however if you read carefully dude I did say big budget and I did say sci-fi action.....Thus there is only Avatar.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY. CHRIST BUT YOU ARE DULL.
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Yes - I agree with you re: sci-fi and so-called 'fans' of sci-fi bashing everything and anything. Personally in terms of 'original' sci-fi, Moon and District 9 are my stepping stones towards the epic-ness that will be Avatar. I suppose you could throw in The Road (if you consider that sci-fi) and 9 (that animated film looks great). Thinking about it, this is a great year for sci-fi fans!
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Fuck, but are you one insane, obnoxious cocksucker. Go finger bang your mom in your trailerpark and leave the talking to the adults....hmmkay princess?
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(much as I love it) isnt really sci-fi in the strictest sense. But at the same time what constitutes sci-fi is quite broad Asimov, we could argue all night and day about what is and isnt sci-fi. Personally I think Star Wars is a complete mixture of Sci-fi and Fantasy. Trek is more traditional sci-fi if you like (or at least it used to be). I love hard edged sci-fi the most, but I dont mind some fantasy elements. I guess thats why I like Cameron's particular brand of sci-fi, its hard edged imho, and no matter what fantasy type elements he uses he always tries to ground it in reality as much as possible.....
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looking forward to district 9 and Moon (great run ups to Avatar) and man you are so right about 9, that is one damn cool looking animted film....
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Just need to set about some time now to read the scriptment... looking forward to it.
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gforce passed it along......
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SouthAfricanGuy gave it to me, after I promised to suck his coc... I mean praise his name for eternity.
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Yeah, I agree with what you were saying about hard core Scifi. That's also why I like Cameron. He doesn't have the bullshit that, say, a Spielberg puts into his Scifi movies. Ex. Minority Report when those three mediums can read peoples thoughts after taking drugs... uhhhhh... BULLSHIT. And yet that was what the entire movie was based on. Hey, if they want to make a movie about seeing the future why don't they base it on a computer that calculates the entire universe as a mathmatical function starting from the big bang, and therefore has calculated everything that has ever, and will ever, happen. Now THAT would be interesting.
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By the way, I copyrighted that idea. No bullshit. So don't think about stealing it. I sent it to myself as a timestamped email six years ago, so if you use it I'll just pull that email off Yahoo with the date and time. Boo-ya!
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Yeah, I know it was based on a book. I'll try and read it one of these days. But Spielberg also butchered a very hard SF book, War of the Worlds. Wells book showed understanding of evolutionary theory, and therefore the aliens were non-humanoid, and had a very difficult time moving under Earths heavier gravitation pull. Spielberg, however, decided to make his aliens humanoid, even though the odds are stacked ridiculously against this from a biological stand point, and they walk around Earth fucking NAKED even though they arrived in FUCKING SPACECRAFT, its absolutely retarded. And yeah, Avatar has humanoid aliens, but that's different, that is a fantasy concession that Cameron is making because Avatar is a love story at heart. However, Spielberg's War of the Worlds would have only benefited by having the most monstrous, unhuman-like, freak show aliens that survival of the fittest could muster. Ex. Octopod-twelve eyed, insect jawed monstrosities that would have scared the shit out of people.
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Knowing... I think I saw that when I was really drunk once. I think the difference is that Cage was a human that could see the future, which would be impossible, whereas, it might not be so impossible for a computer, a really fucking big computer, to do this one day.
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I'm sorry. I'm a fucking asshole. You're really smart. I'm a dumbass. Though if you look back through the posts I did promise to suck someones cock for a treatment.... That offer is now null and void however as I said I was just joking and under business law article 3, code 7, paragraph 13 that invalidates the dick sucking offer.
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I scared everyone away. Mother fucker...
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to know whos cock you offered to suck....anyway.....so what did you think of the scriptment overall dude?
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in a strange land, starship troopers etc...Also like Frank Herbert. Like some of Dicks stuff, but it can get a bit much...
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What is that about?
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really cool imho....John Carter of Mars..
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july?
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...Anyway, yeah, the treatment. I thought it was great! It reminds me a lot of this old seventies graphic novel called Elf Quest. The love story, and the rivalry....
I think this movie is going to be fucking phenomenal. And I couldn't care less if it flops. That is the kind of attitude I have too when I do things, so I relate to Cameron in that way. I think a lot of others do too, a so I think the genius has a blockbuster on his hands. -
Am I celebrating the 4th of july? So you are asking if I am American. Yes. But I have fucked up hours due to the job hunt, 9.5% unemployment here.
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because I would like to see Cameron get to complete the planned trilogy he has for Avatar....
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in South Africa dude. Even harder to get a job...
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I sent you an email about work I know of in America...
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but every article here talking about the film shows nothing of any significance. we get to READ about OTHER PEOPLE seeing the film, or clips of the film and saying how great it is but we get shown nothing. Not a trailer, not a teaser, not even real screen shots. nothing. why should i care if a bunch of people saw 20 mins of it and loved it? I wasn't one of them. I wasn't shown a clip. Just as people callimg a movie crap, or racist or whatever other stupid shit they can pull from their ass to bad mouth a film isn't going to make me not want to see a film, i can't get excited about a film based on what other people say. Especially the filmakers themselves or other people who have vested interest in whether it does well or not. I trust Jimmy, I like Jimmy. But I judge for myself, and right now, I have nothing by which to make a judgement
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That IS a Smurf, right?
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Hey man, can you send me scriptment as well?? Oh and props to Stranger In A Strange Land, one of my fav. sci-fi books. And to all the haters, fuck off, this is James Fucking Cameron, the guy made Aliens and T2, those movies were the stepping stones for me to love film in the first place..
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There is no more violence in Avatar than say Lord of the Rings. LOTR had impalings, heads chopped off, etc… And like LOTR, Avatar will get away with PG-13 because most of the violence happens to fantasy creatures. As for the alien breasts, well, the X-Men movies had Mystique walking around fully nude. Also, the Avatar scriptment wasn’t even close to being as violent as Aliens, it just had more action. Honestly, after reading Avatar I felt like I had read the script for the next Hayao Miyazaki film. Reminded me a lot of Princess Mononoke. Great script, but defiantly not an R rated one.
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First thing I thought of when I saw that.
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...guess we ultimately owe you for this scriptment so props for that.. but remember I never promised to fellate anyone ;) Mt gratitude only goes so far..
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Cameron makes,is going to live up to the ridiculous amount of hype that has built up around it. It will be a shame that what will probably be a great movie with a great story is going to come across as a failure because it never stood a chance.
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hype comes from cameron or from the studios trying to get their money back...this has yet to happen...i STILL dont know what the fuck this movie is about. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING!!!until its plastered all over times square and fucking "vjs" on MTV are showing me clips and my son knows what its about, there is no HYPE. GI JOE has more hype than AVATAR.
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Hah! Take that Avatar! Just when you think you can fuck my eyeballs, I splooge on one of yours!
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you the scriptment, let me know if you got it.
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hell in Texas? Its so fucking humid here in Korea now dude. Thanks for putting that into perspective. Exactly dude, fucking gijoe has more hype, where all this "hype" is for Avatar I also have no idea as no-one outside of uber-geek sites like this has even heard of it...
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asked for any pole smoking as payment, that was purely an over-share from gforce..lol. He was obviously pretty drunk...
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in Heinleins work, but I think its only a problem if you are easily offended by someone elses socio-political beliefs. Someone could be just as offended by Dicks hippy/druggy pov, so I think a lot of it has to do with what you as a person bring to the material as well....
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gonna go yell at my neighbors now --almost midnight and they're still popping loud ass firecrackers outside..freaking my wife out, thinking our house is gonna go up in flames...how are you?
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rate plays a big part in fueling the xenophobia shown towards all the African immigrants in the black townships. You know, competition for resources....And thats a big part of what they are tapping into with District 9 from the look of it...
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ons quite crazy in the states? BTW SDB, what are your thoughts on the gijoe movie?
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the clip we saw with those accelarator suits was fairly bad, but after how bad TF2 was, and thinking about how fun the first Mummy was, and that Sommers did tn write this (apparantly Stuart Beatties script is fairly good according to some sites that have reviewed it). Just maybe it will actually be the fun, light action/adventure movie thats been missing this Summer (unless we count the new trek, sorry Asimov dont hate me lol)
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Who will make more money?
Anybody read Verns review?
Megatron lives in a cave in space with Starscream and The Fallen, who if I understood correctly just sits in a throne all day shatting out slimy baby robots and complaining about the Prime brothers and how they’re the only ones who can “defeat” him. So Megatron goes back to earth (jesus, I just got home, you’re sending me back already?) to kill Optimus Prime so that The Fallen can come down and get the secret symbols from “the boy” and use those to find a secret tomb where his brothers sacrificed themselves to hide The Matrix, not the movie but a piece of metal that can power a machine that nobody noticed was hidden inside one of the pyramids and that will destroy the sun in order to do something else although I honestly forget what it was, but it was evil. I remember that much.
I think the robot Starscream has to stay home and take care of the babies, but I’m not sure.
http://outlawvern.com/2009/06/30/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/#more-5389
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of Avatar on the Net is the computer animation, which should really be the least important in terms of enjoying the film. I could care less how many people worked on "widow-maker" effects shots, just let me get into story and character.
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Unfortunately, Transformers 2 will make more money. That sort of lowbrow humor is just more accepted by the masses. It will make around $470 million in North America and probably $1.1 billion worldwide.
I see Avatar making Lord of the Rings level grosses. $350 million domestic and perhaps $800 million global. The one wildcard is that it does come out in the Titanic slot where it has the dead zone of winter to rack up a lot of cash. If the movie is as great as it could be, it can beat TF2 in those slow early 2010 months when it will have the IMAX and 3D screens all to itself. -
Jul 05, 2009 2:37:02 AM CDT
IS gonna steal all the thunder of competition at COMICON
by standundermyumbrella
poor iron man 2
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from. What are your thoughts on the gijoe movie Asimov? Are you familiar with the property at all?
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take much for any movie to be better than TF2, it just needs an actual story, some characterization, or even some thematic content, and you have yourself a better movie...lol
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essment, I also think LOTR level success. I think it will have legs for Dec, Jan, and even into Feb...
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it is,if he doesnt use arguments or uses arguments.in other words,he is a troll.
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iw promised to take my son to TF2, but i told him it wasnt that good. he understood. as for GI joe, thats a NO JOE!!!! i really am disappointed in this one, its something your inner child gets excited about. when i saw the early promo pix of the cst in uniform about a year ago, i knew something was up. then the moving images started surfacing...why is this GI JOE? i "see" Duke and others but thats not what it is. this isnt even the cartoon, which i love guilt-free. it just seems generic. they grabbed a script, deleted the original names and inserted new ones--viola! GI JOE!as with avatar, i think the end credits will be of more quality than anything in TF2. asimov and i do agree on something...cant wait for those TBs.
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, but at the same time I do like some of the cast. Quaid is perfect for Hawk imho, Ray Park is perfect for Sake-eyes, and they have kept his look iconic. Like the dude playing destro, think Joseph Gordon Levitt is inspired casting for CC, though that new CC design is quite crappy....Somehow im still hoping its fun....Me and my cousin used to watch gijoe:the movie endlessly as kids. Im ashamed to admit it but I can still quote lines of dialouge from that film...lol
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to be much better than everyone is expecting. Call it the optimist in me....
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its just they put these characters into a really shitty direct-to-video bond film..we'll see.
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the 80s incarnation of gijoe was heavily influenced by the Bond movies. Cobra was modeled on SPECTRE, and cobra commander was modeled on Blofeld. Thus the Bond influence Sommers is bringing to it is nt a minus imho. Personally im far more worried that the film appears to come across (in the traiers anyway) as a completely un-self aware live action team America film..lol. Pyramids? Check! Eiffel Tower getting fucked up? Check! etc...
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if its dumb tongue in cheek my i'll check it out with my son...i DO owe him one. if its insulting on the brain and assaulting my senses nonstop like a certain Bay film...negative. trailers are not hopeful though.do you hear the fued going on between Megan Fox and Bay...shes pretty much talked shit about the film..rightfully so, but hey dont bite the hand that feeds ya! shed stillbe working at hooters if it wasnt for horndog Bay.
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for her telling the simple truth, that the film is complete garbage. She has enough of a media profile now that she does nt need that idiot to get work. But she better prove she can act, and soon, or she will have bigger problems to worry about imho....
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Megan Fox is the next Jessica Alba. Have you noticed that since Fox has hit the scene, Alba has seemingly gone into hiding? Fox is taking all of her bimbo roles. Megan had better back up her tough talk or she will go the way of Alba into obscurity.
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I don't care about box office either. I am just pointing out that the masses eat-up lowest common denominator shit like TF2. I just don't see Avatar beating it at the box office. I would love to be proven wrong though.
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Yeah I got the scriptment, thanks for sending it, someone else passed it along as well, I'm going to be reading it tonight after I watch Public Enemies at the theaters, ... oh about the money that avatar will make, well , I don't think it matters cause of course its gonna put Bay in his position (as well as many other directors) and its weird someone mentioned the dead of winter and racking up profit , i was thinking that the other day, and i think ppl will be going to see this for a while, could it beat iron jims top movie in ticket sales? im not sure it will , but it has a fighting chance, who knows?
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geez
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did you like it? im about to go see it here in 2 hours
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didnt think the digital shooting would be good but i hardly noticed..great mann work.
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Nice! I hear the gunbattles are pretty phenomenal, but that is standard for Mann, well its good to know that their is a decent movie this summer
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Looks dreadful, but that's just me. Just extremely juvenile and cheesy, and believe me I am no snob when it comes to these types of things. I'm not sure I'll even bother with it in theatres unless it turns out to be surprisingly good. Did you see that shot in the trailers where it pans around people looking up at some streaking missile thing? A direct rip-off of Bay's patented shot that he uses in almost every one of his films. Sommers is stealing from the best there, eh? Sommers made 2 alrightish movies - the first Mummy and Deep Rising (which I actually quite liked!), but Mummy Returns and Van Helsing were just horrible, full of awful effects work that gives CGI a bad name, and GI Joe looks just the same. It gives the impression of being directed by a bouncing kid hopped up on excess sugar.I think - and you may believe this is crazy - that Avatar will outgross Titanic. I didn't think so at first, but now I think it's got a shot, when you take into account inflation, the longer-lasting appeal of 3D showings and IMAX screenings (which can't be replicated at home), and its winter release slot. I don't know if it'll have the biggest opening, because it's not a known property or a sequel/ remake, whatever, but it'll have legs, and word-of-mouth, which is a rarity in this day and age. What matters most is that it's a great movie, of course, but I've got a feeling it will do better than anybody is predicting-it's the kind of epic space opera adventure type sci-fi that the general public takes to, even though it has hard sci-fi elements. People love these types of movies, and you don't really get that many of them - I'm talking about the big pop culture phenomenon epic universe type movies - obviously Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTR, maybe Harry Potter fits in there, I don't know. The kind of stuff that breeds a rabid fanbase. So people will be on the look-out for the next one, and Avatar will fill that gap if it succeeds - this could well be the 21st century Star Wars - in scope, innovation, mass appeal, cultural/media penetration, etc. No pressure on Cameron there, then?! I saw Public Enemies recently as well. I thought it was pretty good - distinctly better than Miami Vice (which I hated) and Collateral (which was decent but not great). It's not Heat though, and some parts of it were flat. Its also extremely understated - the contrast with Transformers 2 couldn't be more marked. I've no idea why they thought this should be a summer movie, and I don't think it's doing too well at the box office. Its subtle - too damn subtle sometimes - so it only really achieves drama and tension in sporadic bursts. But at least it treats the audience like an adult instead of a retarded caveman.
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i hope it does well, but when you have people rushing en masse to TF2, you kinda figure that it really doesnt matter..i am happy if its a great film..if its on par with his previous outings then i will be elated. yes, inflation and the ticket prices for 3D then yuo can guarantee a huge opening, but will the audieces rush to it?
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The Manticore!
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If the Na'vi are little more than Big Blue loveable "spiritual" eco natives used as an unsubtle metaphor for native Americans, aboriginies and many other Hollywood favourites to paint in a one dimensional way, then Cameron is putting his Titanic sentiment hat on and it will be pretty weak stuff.
If he tries to make it more subtle and moraly complex than that and give the Na'vi a truly unique culture that shows us the good AND the bad then it could be very interesting indeed.
I still feel we are in for a sci-fi Apocalypto of sorts but if he avoids the usual cliches and paints it with complexity and gives it a bit of a brutal hard edge to it then it might be a very good Movie indeed.
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some very interesting points about Avatar. I too think it will have very long legs due to no real competition and that 3D films play longer. But as you say if its that next pop culture event, then people are going to go back and see it again and again anyway.....
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but I have faith that Cameron's smart enough to know how much is at risk here, and I truly believe he has been taking notes from the last few years as to why some thngs worked and others did nt (TPM as opposed to LOTR.) imho...
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post asking for it, but did nt see anyone offering it to you...
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The Na'vi are a metaphor for Native Americans. That was obvious from the start. And yes they are spiritual, but this leads to a very interesting aspect that reminded me of Princess Mononoke. The story here is great, but your idea of complexity is something too abstract to ever work in a story. You take out your so called cliches then you really dont have anything to work with, and you lose the metaphor altogether.
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Will Avatar get a best picture nomination? Up seems to be a lock. The Hurt Locker and Public Enemies have a shot. I figure that Cameron's past success with Titanic and the 10 slots make Avatar a sure thing.
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due in large part to the new 10 nom rule. Which will allow for a broader split of the vote, and more chance for genre films to get in imho. Remember that part of the reason for this is the outcry over TDK not getting nominated (deservedly so imho). Also I believe that if Avatar is so impressive fx wise and it does move fx forward, its possible Cameron will be given a special technical achievement Oscar like Lucas was for Star Wars or John Lasseter was for Toy Story....
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I can't see it being as "on the nose" as that myself. There will be similarities to Native Americans yes, but if he's smart he'll show a society that isn't just a stereotype but quite radical and alien in many ways.
There is a way to include a degree of complexity without scarificing it to a simplistic "nice spiritual natives Vs rapacious conquistador/empire humans".
For a start they can't just be blue space hippies if they are to take part in a war against the technologically advanced humans.
And that might be where Cameron could throw in a curveball of sorts. If the Na'vi defeat the humans using the war tactics and thinking of the human avatar the Movie could ask at what cost ?
Perhaps showing the Na'vi adopting some of the less desireable warlike traits they used to repel the "invaders".
And since Avatar is, unless I'm mistaken, perhaps going to be a trilogy then it can't end in a simplistic "and the humans go home and peace is restored" way either.
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I think it def. will. Public Enemies was very good,some amazing set pieces, but yeah like most of you are saying its not Heat, probably my 2nd or 3rd fav. Mann movie
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Avatar scrptment reads very much like a Mizyaki film. And thats a very good thing imho....
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CHRIST, ANOTHER WEATHER GONE WRONG/CLIMATE CHANGE/GLOBAL WARMING YAWNER. AND WHAT'S WITH THE CHICK IN THE FLICK?
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEW GOLD STANDARD IN TERMS OF TAKING AN AWESOME BOOK AND MANGLING THE SHIT OUT OF IT.
MARK MY WORDS.
THE ONLY CHICKS I WANNA SEE IN THIS FUCKING MOVIE ARE THE CANNIBALS.
AND THERE'S NO WAY THE WORLD IN THAT FLICK IS NEAR DARK AND BLEAK ENOUGH AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ASH FFS. -
actually turned out to be a fucking thundercats movie???
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Long time no talk, how ya been? I am interested in the Avatar scriptment, any way to get a hold of it? Things are fine here, moving on after losing an Aunt to pancreatic cancer, a tough time but got thru it. Have not been to the theaters since seeing Terminator, just have not had the time. Did watch Deja Vu at home with the g/f last week and found it to be pretty good although a bit implausible at times. Anyways hope all is good on your end.
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All that "weather gone wrong/climate change/global warming" shit isn't actually in the movie, it was just thrown in the trailer to entice all those types who need an explanation. The movie appears to be a pretty accurate adaptation of the book, and if anyone can make it bleak and violent enough it would be John Hillcoat. Didn't you see The Proposition? That head exploding wowed the shit out of me every time I watch it. . .
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sorry to hear about your aunt dude. Always super shitty when you lose family....Im doing good my friend, thanks for asking. I can email you the avatar scriptment if you would like...
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http://www.dga.org/news/dgaq_2008-2/30-37_CameronQA.pdf
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My condolences for your loss.
I haven't seen Deja Vu yet. I have mixed feelings about Tony Scott. He is clearly not as good as his brother, but he still has made some good films like Crimson Tide and Spy Game. I might check it out in the future. -
You were one of the people who cried when you realized that the only movie Hollywood would ever make with the name G-FORCE was going to feature talking guniea pigs, huh? Me, too.
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There's no way this movie will take the 80s-90s risks of being bloody or exciting. It'll feature PLENTY of ABYSS/T2 dialogue, though - of the variety as such: "Men - men like you KILLE THE NA'VI! THIS LAND WAS PERFECT, A PARADISE! THEN SCUM-SUCKING CAPITALISTS LIKE YOU DRAGGED THEIR BALLS ACROSS IT TO LOWER THE INFANT MORTALITY RATE AND MEDIAN HUMAN SURVIVABILITY WHILE ALSO INCREASING THE STANDARD OF LIVING FOR PEOPLE! YOU MONSTERS!"
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Sounds good to me dude, let me know how you wanna do it.
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send it to dude...
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send it to ja99208@gmail.com thanks bro!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIbkFamE23Y&feature=popular
Pretty spot-on on the basics of it.
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and his bizarre, 'Avatar featuring no guns fired and no action' conspiracy. Yeah right, pal. But Avatar WILL be PG-13, that's a given. Which means nothing since Dark Knight and Quantum of Solace got away with plenty at that rating, and most of the violence involves aliens and creatures with non-red blood. It'll be a strong PG-13. Terminator, Alien/Predator and Die Hard are different, because they came from previously R-rated franchises. And Avatar'll have plenty of action - some of the best ever seen too, I'd wager. Nor will it be some simplistic liberal/hippy allegory (that said, it'll delight me if it pisses off neo-cons and right wingers). Also, if it's anywhere near as good as The Abyss or T2 we're in for a treat.
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but when i get home latwer I will send it to you.
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yeah, dont know what the fuck is with this conspiracy theorist nut. Despite so much factual evidence to the contrary (the old scriptment for one, and all the pictures from the game showing guns being used) this guy still keeps repeating the same bullshit.
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and lots of violence involving alien creatures and the Na'vi. And like you Turd, I will also get a good laugh if this movie pisses off the neo-cons, im no leftie, but its always funny seeing how easy it is for those on the far end of either political side to get pissed off at anything they feel promotes an opposite viewpoint...lol
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is probably going to be one of the greatest action sequences ever put on film imho. Cameron doing epic sci-fi action? Should be amazing....
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No one's impressed by it. That's why it's so fucking cool. No one can tell it's CGI.
I'm glad all this money is being thrown at effects that are actually groundbreaking and not just plentiful *coughtransformers2cough* -
mundane looking, and thats the whole point, its invisible fx, the best kind imho....
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your email and let me know if you got it....
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It's just obvious from the political ("Iran can do no wrong." "The US gov't can do no right." "Corporations that improve the standard of living and lower the infant mortality rate in the US are evil.") views of Hollywood, the dialogue of James Cameron, his track record (THE ABYSS was also actionless, if you remember, defining action as the type in T2 ... and the less said about TITANIC the better), etc. "No Weapons of Any Kind" doesn't mean "no guns will be visible" - I'm sure everything will be rippling with guns. But look at G.I. JOE : TROC to see what I'm talking about - there's a shot of a guy with a gatling firing off a helicopter ... and that's the only shot of any handheld weapons being fired by someone, and I wonder if that will turn out to be Roadblock firing at a water tower or something like that. It won't be at people! This is going to be line an episode of THE A-TEAM ... NOT like ALIENS or T2. It'll be bloodless, with lots of "OH NO, THEY CONVENIENTLY MADE A PLOT POINT THAT WE CAN'T SHOOT IN HERE OR THE PHLOGISTON WILL EXPLODE!"
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or something? What the fuck is this obsession you have with guns and wether they will be shown shooting people? How the hell can you use the Abyss as a comparison? It was nt a fucking action movie, it was basically an underwater thriller. So why the hell would you expect lots of action? Geez dude, read the damn scriptment, there is lots of shooting and things/aliens/people getting shot. Otherwise, give it a damn rest...
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Guns will be fired, people will die, you'll still be an idiot
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You want to understand the origin of "NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND?" Watch this clip, read on ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYS_XmPOYuc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAmWZSewLyA
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The meaning of "No Weapons of Any Kind" should be obvious now. It's a slogan I use to represent a movie being sold as one thing when it's clearly going to be something else. The blatant lie of the original teaser was that ALIEN 3 was going to be R-Rated, wall-to-wall action set on Earth, with huge military groups fighting against waves of aliens descending in spaceships/meteorites/whatever, of a zombie apocalypse of chestbursters and facehuggers in the vein of LIFEFORCE, the end of the world via terrifying monsters - and lots of insane gunplay with brave soldiers fighting the aliens. That's OBVIOUS from the teaser - it's going to be an invashion of Earth by the aliens! OHYEAH! But then, the movie comes out, and it's ... about ... a cold sun ... and cold wind? And ... wait, WTF did she just say? "No WEAPONS OF ANY KIND?" WTF x 100?! This is the bill of goods fans of AVATAR are being sold. It may feature charaters with guns, and it might feature someone firing off a bunch of rounds, but it will be in the vein of THE A-TEAM, bloodless, or goopy aliens going "splat." Nobody in AVATAR is going to grab a shotgun, shove it up into the Na'avi's mouth, scream "EAT THIS!" and fire. I guarantee you.
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Fincher had a bunch of crap to deal with in that production. He did what he could, but it tells that he is the only director who doesn't give a commentary track on the Alien Quadrilogy, doesn't it?
Alien 3 should HAVE been on Earth...with Ripley, Newt, and Hicks. And epic battles between Aliens, civilians (loaded up with weapons) and military (loaded with nukes, knives, sharp sticks). I always picture a bunch of characters barricading themselves in some university building, financial complex, or mall, and seeing a wave of hundreds of aliens coming over the dark horizon towards them, as they look through holes in the barricaded windows....the sheer terror about to begin. I don't mind Alien 3, but they really took the story in the wrong direction in my opinion. -
And that's kind of the thing I'm saying about AVATAR - what you described is what -everyone- who saw that teaser pictured, and it's all the studio needed to do. However, the studio was so evil and creatively-bankrupt and hateful of sci-fi that they wanted to spend as little as possible and get as much return as possible, so they came up with an ad for the event we all wanted, planted the seed, created a piece of trash and sold the public a giant bill of goods on a PC bandwagon of "no weapons of any kind." And I think the same thing is going on with AVATAR - people are mistaking the description of huge effects to mean HUGE -VIOLENT AND AWESOME TERMINATOR 2 NUCLEAR AND FUTURE SCENES- effects, when in reality the finished product is clearly going to more closely resemble KUROSAWA'S DREAMS or WHAT DREAMS MAY COME.
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Alien 3's lack of weapons was never anything to do with some hollywood PC conspiracy against weapons. Do you know anything of the history of that production at all? Southafricanguy called it right - you sound like some babbling red state NRA gun nut raging against the imagined conspiracies of 'liberal' Hollywood.Alien 3 was NEVER going to be about marines fighting aliens on earth. That trailer in question was knocked out by the Fox marketing dept. when they were eager to promote a set release date for that film, despite the fact that they hadn't even decided on a story for the movie at that time. Nobody knew what Alien 3 was even going to be about at that point (the story of the numerous drafts of that movie is too long and complicated to recount here). So they knocked up a misleading trailer just to get something out there. In any case, the whole 'no guns' angle of Alien 3 came out of an attempt to do the opposite of Aliens and out of Vincent Ward's monks on a wooden planet scenario.Now, Avatar WILL feture guns, and aliens and humans being killed. We knows this based on all the evidence thus far - screenshots, the scriptment, etc. I think this is readily aparent to anybody with common sense so you're now backtracking because you're talking balls, and you know you're talking balls. One minute you say there's going to be no weapons at all, then you say there will be but they won't be fired. Then you say they will be fired, but not at living targets. Now you say goopy aliens getting shot doesn't count as action (but I thought you said there weren't going to be shots fired at targets?), but only if someone sticks a gun in a Navi face at close range? What the fuck are you talking about? That's got little to do with the style of this movie anyway, its not Aliens with marines versus inhuman creatures, just as your ridiculous points about The Abyss hold no weight either - that was a claustrophobic thriller,not a blast em up - that's the style and content of that movie, nothing to do with having no guns. You have utterly bizarre criteria for action/violence, and as nutty as you're argument is, it doesn't even any internal logic to it. You keep contradicting yourself. And as I've said previously, Avatar will be PG-13, there's no doubt about that whatsoever. But that's got nothing to do what you're talking about, nothing at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Avatar comes out, and proves you definitively wrong, yet you'll come out with some strange nonsensical crap, saying it somehow doesn't count, and seeing things that aren't there. Charlton Heston's dead corpse would be proud of you.
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It is also important to note that Alien 3's problems largely stemmed from way too much studio interference.
Avatar, on the other hand, is being completely shepherded by Cameron himself with little to no say by Fox. This is why it is able to be marketed with so much secrecy. Fox would have inundated us with plot-ruining trailers by now.
Avatar is a space opera. Something along the lines of Star Wars. It is not meant to be a hard-edged film. If that is not your cup of tea, then there are other films for you. -
Avatar will likely be more 'Star Wars' in approach to violence - maybe a bit more intense.
ThusSpakeSpymunk - I think District 9 should give the grittiness you're thinking about. By the way, I just found out someone is showing the entire District 9 film online already. Unreal. -
hows it going? Yeah THUSSPOK really is coming across like a fucking nut. he really does contradict himself, and its obvious he does nt even know what the hell he is talking about. He seems ignorant of much of the production history of Alien 3, and he clearly does nt know whaty Avatar is.
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And he's entitled to his (varied) opinions. It's just good to actually discuss films with you, turd, imagin78 and others. It's all about constructive speculation and appreciation, ain't it? Southafricanguy, keep the faith, dude! By the way, I'm still shocked at District 9 possibly already leaked on the internet? I'm not totally sure about this, but there is a link on youtube.
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I've used the phrase "No Weapons of Any Kind" for years on here, always to mean any movie that has its balls chopped off by the studio. "Dear god - people LOVED that ALIENS movie, with all the guns and weapons - you know what would be really awesome? We should remove them! People LOVED the action - so let's make it a talky prison flick about men with multiple y-chromosomes! People loved Hicks, Newt and Bishop - KILL 'EM ALL!" It was the nadir of that kind of PC filmmaking crap - anything noble, good, positive must be shown to die, and nonviolent self-sacrifice (remember, Ripley "wins" the movie by committing SUICIDE) is beautiful and noble ... which dovetails nicely into eco-movies, because the only "crime" huamnity is ever truly guilty of in flicks like this is simply exisiting: "MEN - MEN LIKE YOU-!" In THE ABYSS, Cameron displayed his utter contempt for humanity by having the Squid-People want to destroy Earth for being violent and for polluting the oceans. We're getting more of the same from AVATAR. There's no contradiction there. Every element of the script treatment and initial "buzz" says this movie will be wall-to-wall talking about the crimes of man against the beautiful and peaceful Na'avi planet, noteably absent actual realistic technology - remember, only in an imaginary utopia can man be shown to "harmonize" with nature in some kind of conceived "balance."And don't be an idiot about "No Weapons of Any Kind." There's never been a contradiction. One of the worst movies I've used as an example of "No Weapons of Any Kind" was THE ROCKETEER, which even went through the trouble of having the hero get a gun from a gangster so he could fly up onto a rooftop as a search light illuminates him - for a shot they could use as the end of the trailer and on some posters that suggested the hero atually, youk now, used a gun against mobsters and Nazis. However, of course, in keeping with PC-liberal-Hollywood, the hero loses the same gun as he lands awkwardly on a blimp not 60 seconds after he's acquired it, thereby making the presence of the gun entirely meaningless EXCEPT as a device to get people into the movie thinking they'd get actual, you know, legitimate action. Want another example? One of my favorites? READ ON -
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Jul 07, 2009 11:47:40 PM CDT
ONE OF MY FAVORITE POSTERS FOR A MOVIE EVER FOR NWOAK
by thusspakespymunk
http://www.impawards.com/2002/posters/reign_of_fire.jpg
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FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE, the ad says - showing Apache helicopters about to engage an army of dragons. Woot - the only thing I needed to know about this movie was that poster and when it came out - until I sat dumbfounded in the theater as the opening narration showed a shot of an apache helicopter NOT in combat with a dragon for about five seconds being torn apart and the narration washed over me to chilling effect: "The battle was over before it began. It took a few minutes - then, there were no weapons of any kind - the dragons destroyed us so we could run around cheap sets and bleak backgrounds in castoff outfits from other movies." It's a far cry from THE BATTLE IGNITES ... the battle ****ing happened OFFSCREEN BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN STARTED! And it should've been replaced by different captions. The top one should've read: THEY HAVE NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND - AND NOW THEY'LL RUN and the bottom should've said ALL ACTION OFFSCREEN BEFORE MOVIE STARTS.
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You'll note that there was a lot of running around and "things happening" in REIGN OF FIRE - but I would also refer to IT, too, as "actionless." It wasn't an action movie - despite the lies of rhe trailer and poster. It was a horror flick, with people getting picked off one by one until they overcome the monster. And despite the fact that a lot of stuff was shot at a lot of stuff, it was also entirely NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND because it was all kept in the realm of fantasy - or, as PC likes to call it, non-repeatable violence, IE nobody picks up a gun or a knife because they think that the audience will stupidly emulate that (which I'm even hearing here as people call me a gun-nut - which I'm not - for wanting to see characters use guns). It's more like this - if you're going to make a movie about soldiers fighting in a war, don't have them suddenly discover "Oh, no, our weapons are broken so we can't shoot them to keep down the budget and keep the anti-violence peons happy!" If you're going to do a slasher movie, don't have everything happen off-screen. If you're going to do a DIE HARD movie, don't blank out the word "mother(BANG!)er." Don't lie to the audience. Don't sell the audience a bag of crap and tel them it's gold. THAT isn't backpedaling - I tried to clarify what I meant as people thought the mere presence of a gun meant the movie would be SHOOT 'EM UP. Not what I'm saying, and not what I'm advocating. AVATAR isn't CRANK, nor do I want it to be. But when I hear people saying "Oh, my god - these action war scenes are going to rival T2 in intensity and violence!" or "IT'S GONNA BE THE MOST AMAZINGLY AWESOME VISCERAL EXPERIENCE EVER!" or "IT'S GOING TO BE SO INTENSE IT'LL MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE," I am reminded of "BECASUE ON EARTH ... EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM!" Yeah, tell me another one, Hollywood - you can only burn us so many times. Me? I'm burnt from all the lying in the aforementioned movies, at the pussification of leading men (it's a long way down from JOHN MCLAINE to the Pieman of PUSHING DAISIES, but the latter is what Hollywood thinks - foolishly, as they learn over and over again - that we "want" in the PC age). I hope that addresses the so-called "contradictions" Turd observes. I do respect you, at least, for having the thought process to speak on your behalf.
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... I have only one thing to say to you. "Slusho - ... summons the monster. That is the clue - Slusho summons the monster!"
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you say we are all entitled to them. But thusspake is passing said opinion off as fact. There is a big difference. Despite his liberal conspiracy theories, Alien 3 didnt have guns beciase of numerous issues/ideas etc...involved in the very convulated production of that film
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adventure story, geez the entire third act is basically one giant series of action set pieces, with lots of shooting, things dieing, and explosians. And yeah it has thematic content, but not just enviromentalism (which seems to horrify thusspake), but also about humantiy maturing, issues of colonialism/imperialism. And others...going by his logic then LOTR sucked because it also has a strong anti-war, anti-industrial, enviromental message. GTood directors like Cameron and Jackson know how to put that stuff in there and not hit the audiance over the head with it. Nevermind that those issues are all very pertinent at the moment...
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yourself look like one of those people that just believes whatever you want, regardless of actual factual evidence to the contrary, but if believing in the anti-gun/anti-action conspricy makes you happy then have at it dude...
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Quite what this massive web of politically correct spin in movies has to do with Avatar, I don't know. Quite what the fact that you've been disappointed in certain movies has to do with this, I still can't fathom (and seems more to do with those movies not being the genre or type of movies you wanted them to be more than anything else, rather than some liberal 'plot'). Quite how the fact that Alien 3 had no weapons of any kind, and a misleading trailer, is tenuously connected to Avatar, I'm quite frankly baffled by- and once again, no weapons in Alien 3 had nothing to do with political correctness WHATSOEVER - that was a consequence of that film's troubled production, a fact that seems a waste to explain to you again since you seem to see only what you want to see. As if Alien 3's troubled production has somehow got anything at all to do with Avatar; what a bizarre reach! Who the heck is comparing Avatar to T2's future war? Avatar does not take place in a nuclear-ravaged dystopia, it takes place on a phantasmagoric jungle planet. Nor is it anything like terminator in tone or violence-level - it is a Star Wars style space opera fantasy adventure, though more gritty and hard-edged than Star Wars. I don't recall anyone looking forward to this movie because of viscera and violence, but rather because it'll be a mindblowing visual experience, a compelling, dramatic sci-fi story, and will have epic scale action from one of the greatest action directors in cinema history. It IS a fantasy style movie, with fantasy style violence. But that does not mean it will have no guns, no violence, no intensity, no death. If that type of action doesn't constitute 'action' for you, then sit this one out. But don't go around posting ridiculous, disingenuous nonsense, or trying to link some madcap theory of 'liberal' Hollywood to this thing.Also, I have to say, vis-a-vis talking about the 'crimes of humanity' themes of certain movies, people with such extreme views on either side of the political spectrum so much so that they take great offence at such things, should really not bother watching movies. That's crazy, loony talk. "Gasp! Cameron must be trying to poison the minds of the American youth with his despicable and insidious liberal allegories, cloaked in the guise of entertainment! How dare he! He's a fucking Canadian as well! The bare-faced cheek of it!"
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What all this stuff he keeps going on about has to dowith Avatar is also a complete mystery to me too. His leaps in logic are baffling enough that Im wondering if thusspak is George Bush posting on aincn....lol
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Jul 08, 2009 8:37:59 AM CDT
Southafricaguy - LOTR would suck because it was anti- ...
by thusspakespymunk
Yep.
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I've got nothing against AVATAR or for it, myself. What prompted my initial NWOAK posts was that people in the Talkbacks seemed to interpret the "amazing visuals" to mean "amazingly huge and violent future-war T2-type segments" and saying things like "Man - the action in this movie is going to make T2 look like a cakewalk!" And I was like ... uh, no. It's PG-13 guaranteed. The whole point of my remarks stems from idiots on here who have been posting how it will rival ALIENS in intensity. It CAN'T rival ALIENS in intensity because it's PG-13. It CAN'T rival T2 because it's PG-13. No matter how "much more" you can now "get away with," it's NOT GOING TO reach the levels of T2 or ALIENS. At least you have the good sense to understand that in your post, and that's all I've been trying to say, really - despite my own bias agaoinst presenting something as being "mindblowing action" and showing mechs with guns with the knowledge beforehand you won't see skulls being crushed under robot feet despite the presence of robots and a "theme" of "war." It's like the old rule of the playwrite Chekov, about whom is said "if you're going to show a gun in the first act of the play, you'd better use it by the third." Movies like AVATAR want the gun because it draws in a certain crowd (and believe it or not, that crowd ISN'T me), but they then want to bait-and-switch the audience. "We've got thousands of guns! We're ALL ABOUT THE GUNS AND MECHS! DUDE, COME SEE IT - IT'S GONNA BE ALL GUNDAM UP IN HERE!" and then ... "But, uh, wait, at the ... uh ... last minute ... the ... planet has sprayed everything with ... uh ... anti-gun-firing gas! DON'T SHOOT ANYTHING OR WE'LL ALL DIE!" It's a technique Hollywood has used for years. It's not the lack of violence I dislike - I couldn't care less about the violence. It's the dishonesty.
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saying, and I agree that I dont like bait and switch advertising in films, but heres the simple question dude, have you read the old scriptment?
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is no "gas that prevents shooting type thing". I dont know how else to put this to you, the entire third act is a massive action set piece, that may rival Aliens, because of how epic it is, and because it is an amazing example of the sustained dramatic action that Cameron did in both Aliens and T2.
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There it is again. "... may rival ALIENS." No. No, it won't. It's going to be PG-13. The only way it could "rival" ALIENS is if it was as INTENSE as ALIENS, and PG-13 can't be as intense.
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Intensity has nothing to do with rating at all. When Avatar is said to rival Aliens/T2 for action, we are not talking about violence - we are talking about sustained, brilliantly orchestrated set-pieces that build and build. This is what determines great action. People saying this movie wil have 'amazingly huge war scenes' and 'action that will top T2' ARE correct. We're talking about giant scale battles here on a scale never attempted before- who exactly are these people expecting Avatar to be some ultra-violent bloodbath of which you speak? Avatar is NOT being sold as something it isn't. It is being sold as an epic sci-fi adventure. Because it is. It is being shown to have guns and mechs. It does. It is being shown to have these in action. It will. You know - battles, things blowing up. Aliens and humans and creatures dying. Not in an overly graphic R-rated way, but it is there. These are FACTS - not matters of opinion - facts. It's in the treatment (which I take it you haven't read); it will be in the movie also. Spymunk, do you deny this?Now, your talk of movies having the balls removed may have some validity - vis a vis movies like Live Free or Die Hard, Terminator Salvation, etc. But it has nothing to do with Avatar. Your arguments seem to randomly jump from one thing to another, making specious leaps of logic. If Cameron was making a watered down PG-13 Terminator, your points would possibly have merit. But that's not applicable here.As for PG-13 not being intense - The Dark Knight, Casino Royale, Taken, The Bourne movies etc. were plenty intense (not to mention I recall quite a lot of gunplay in these movies - yes, even these PG-13 ones - so there goes your 'no guns in liberal Hollwood' conspiracy) Again, this was because they were well-crafted action films. Now if you're talking about violence and body counts and most of all the decline of R-rated blockbuster fare (a situation that I, too, lament), then that's an entirely different discussion.
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You equate intensity of a movie to its mpaa rating? Hmmm.. I thought the LOTR movies intense and they were rated pg-13. Especially the helm's deep attack.
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