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First 10 'Best Picture' Nominations...Now The Possibility Of No Original Song Oscars??

Published at:  Jun 29, 2009 10:38:43 AM CDT


Merrick here...




Last week we learned the slots for 'Best Picture' Oscar nominations were being doubled from 5 to 10 (details HERE).

Now comes word that more changes are in the wind for the venerable institution : one in terms of telecast pacing, and one that may carry dramatic implications for the 'Best Song' category.

Timothy M. Gray over at Variety has posted THIS interesting piece about adjustments now being made to Oscar rules/voting.

The music branch annually conducts a "bake-off" in which voters see clips of eligible songs as they are used in each film. The voters then rate a song on a scale of 6 to 10. Under the new ruling, if no song earns 8.25, there will be no nominations. If at least one hits that magic number, it will be nominated, as will the second-highest scorer.

(Previous rules had specified three to five nominees, and the new rules say the category will still max out at five.)

The bake-off was an earnest attempt to ensure that a song's contribution to a film was more important than diskery sales, since pop-rock singer-songwriters have increasingly become a presence in a film's score, much to the consternation of some music branch members.

But the bake-off limited the voting pool (you couldn't vote without seeing these clips) and worked to the disadvantage of songs that summed up the mood and ideas of the film but were played during closing credits. (Bruce Springsteen's "The Wrestler" and Eddie Vedder's song from "Into the Wild" were two recent examples of closing-credits songs that were shut out.)


In short: the scoring system for nominating songs has changed, which could theoretically result in NO 'Best Song' nominations in a particular year.

Also, what my father once referred to as "The Grand Old Geezer Awards" will no longer be presented during the actual Oscar telecast. Says Gray/Variety:

The other move was the board's decision to present the "testimonial" awards -- the Thalberg nod to filmmakers, the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award and the honorary Oscars for career excellence -- at a black-tie event in November for 500 invited guests, rather than presenting them on the Oscarcast.









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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:36:21 AM CDT

    Remember when they killed the category so South Park

    by chrth

    wouldn't get a nomination?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:36:21 AM CDT

    sounds stupid

    by themcflyfarm

  • Jun 29, 2009 10:37:19 AM CDT

    south park WAS nominated

    by themcflyfarm

  • Jun 29, 2009 10:39:22 AM CDT

    Fine with me

    by ricarleite2

    But still seems there will usually be 2 nominated songs. And HOW THE FUCK did that horrible, horrible indian song win over Down to Earth???

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:40:15 AM CDT

    Southpark

    by alientoast

    Southpark's "Blame Canada" was nominated, but it was a sham it lost to that insipid and %100 forgetable Phil Colins Tarzan song. The only bright note is it was the -only- nominated song to actually have a musical number done for it (that year they were supposed to have cutback on the elaborate song presentation productions).

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:40:31 AM CDT

    TheMcflyFarm: That was my point

    by chrth

  • Jun 29, 2009 10:41:37 AM CDT

    Stan Lee's Role in 'Iron Man 2' Revealed Larry King!

    by stanbee54321

    www.nukethefridge.com

    Reply to Talkback

  • in 1999.
    I can't find the original article, but there was an article/talkback because the Academy was supposedly going to get rid of the category so that South Park couldn't be nominated. And like so many things back in the day, it turned out to be completely false.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:47:58 AM CDT

    Sad

    by c4andmore

    Under these rules a song like "Falling Slowly" from Once might not have a chance.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:48:46 AM CDT

    Blame Canada was not only nominated but it was performed

    by big jim

    during the ceremony.Maybe they should do that for ALL the categories. Instead of having, for example, 10 slots for Best Picture that must be filled regardless of the quality of movies for that year, have some sort of point system that lets the Academy decide how many films truly deserve the nomination.I'm sure the next announcement will be they are cutting the "In Memory of" segment down to a list of names during the closing credits.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:49:55 AM CDT

    AINT IT POST IT TWO DAYS AFTER NIKKE FINKE DOES NEWS

    by fuckmichaelbay

    Whooooooooosh!

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:51:30 AM CDT

    Will Michael Jackson be nominated next year?

    by ricarleite2

    Because it seems the only fucking artist playing on radio and TV! GET OVER IT!

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:51:40 AM CDT

    Yes, because the Best Original Song category is what's wrong wit

    by brokentusk

    This reminds me of when Warner Bros. looked at the success of THE DARK KNIGHT and said, "All our superhero movies must now be dark!"

    It's the kind of inexplicable Hollywood logic that makes you bang your head against your desk in frustration.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:52:12 AM CDT

    How about...

    by red ned lynch

    ...a designated accepter rule so that only easily identifiable celebrities accept awards? That way no one has to watch the stuttering sound editor get an Oscar. They get to see the Jonas Brothers! Or the Real Housewives(tm)! You could have different cities of the Housewives on hand to represent each nominee, so viewers who haven't seen the nominated films can root for which proxies they wanted to accept the award.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:52:26 AM CDT

    I think this is meant to save everyone....

    by theoracle

    the embarrassment and awkwardness of having to watch another Three-Six Mafia type group win a fucking Oscar.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:53:19 AM CDT

    i remember at the 1994 oscars..

    by bouncy x

    they nominated Janet Jackson for her song Again and even as a huge fan of hers, i thought then and still think now how that was wrong. The nomination was for her movie Poetic Justice but the thing is, while that song does play during the end credits it wasn't even on the soundtrack. Plus it was just a single from her 1993 album. the song was out and a moderate hit before the movie came, i mean it was cool seeing her nominated and performing but according to their rules, it shouldnt have been there. anyway these days they seem to just grab anything as an excuse to have the category so this could be a good thing.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:53:50 AM CDT

    I don't know...

    by wampa 1

    ...but it sure smells good!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Jun 29, 2009 10:53:51 AM CDT

    ... with the show.

    by brokentusk

    Fuck this primitive message board.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:54:02 AM CDT

    How about...

    by red ned lynch

    ...a visible "acceptance clock". And if the winner doesn't finish their acceptance speech in the alloted time the Oscar goes to the second highest vote getter? Come on Hollywood, go for some real drama if you want the big ratings.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:57:56 AM CDT

    No original

    by cuervojones

    The new name for Hollywood.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:58:43 AM CDT

    How about...

    by red ned lynch

    ...letting an on-line and phone vote conducted during the Oscars account for 25% of the determining count? Then you could have an envelope for each presenter, one with the "traditional" vote from the Academy and the other with the "Voice of Oscar's America". The suspense of seeing whether Oscar's America would overturn the Academy's preference would be just...just...damn I hate the cynicism implicit in nominating ten damned movies for Best Picture.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:59:03 AM CDT

    I LIKE The Grand Old Geezer Awards!

    by cymbalta4thedevil

    They add some depth and history to what otherwise is sometimes just a fashion show mixed with a popularity contest. Seeing Sidney Lumet and Robert Altman and Peter O'Toole get up there in recent years was a real joy for people who care about film beyond what's hot at the box office this week.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:05:22 AM CDT

    and another thing....

    by theoracle

    nobody wants to see that no talent self-involved Beyoncee sing all of the damn songs in the category again. That was embarrassing and insulting to the original performers of the song.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:10:59 AM CDT

    yeah I always liked Best Song

    by cherryvalance

    but they've made it impossible for anything to get nominated anyway with their silly rules. Last year the songs nominated were not the best songs. Bruce Springsteen should have won for The Wrestler and he wasn't even nominated. I don't think Eddie Vedder was nominated the year before for Into the Wild. So as much as I'll miss Best Song, it's not like it hasn't been screwed up for a while.

    The old people thing sucks though. The Grammys have been doing that for a while now and I think it's rotten. If anything you should give the oldies their time so they can really be recognized for their life's work. That's the whole point isn't it? How can they get recognition if no one sees.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:15:03 AM CDT

    All future montages...

    by red ned lynch

    ...will be pulled from movies made during the previous five years. Montages including footage from older films will also be relegated to a special show held in the William Hickey Memorial Retirement Auditorium.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:16:41 AM CDT

    How About getting rid of the presenters' banter?

    by big jim

    Buddy, who's worked his whole life in some unglamorous area of the industry has his moment to shine and gets 30 seconds to make the most of it. Yet before announcing the award, Cameron Diaz and Ashton Kutcher get 3 minutes to read a poorly written, supposedly improvised, bit off cue cards, all the time promoting their new movie.Here's another time-saver. When announcing presenters, have them already at the podium! Why do we need to see Tom Cruise and Kathy Bates, walk across the stage? Instead the Academy thought it a good idea to have nominees in some categories lined up on stage to hear who won so the winner, who no doubt had the shittiest seats in the house, wouldn't waste time coming up to the stage. Their other genius idea - handing awards to winners in their seats. And on the subject of presenter's, have only one per category? Why does it take 2 people to read a list of nominees, open an envelope, and read a name?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:17:30 AM CDT

    good, get rid of this category

    by stifler's mom

    It's leftover from when musicals were a major genre. Now it's just a meaningless shout-out to the end credits of Disney films.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:22:53 AM CDT

    GREAT idea

    by logan_1973

    A preliminary scoring system would certainly prevent another rap concert at the Oscars. Good lord that was horrid...

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:23:17 AM CDT

    I like this idea actually

    by bass ackwards

    I think ALL categories should applly similar rules, any category that has nothing worthwhile to nominate should just nominate nothing that year. It makes sense.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:23:24 AM CDT

    Red Ned Lynch, the last thing I want to see is any

    by big jim

    part of the voting opened up to the public. It's sad enough, with 10 movies being nominated next year to include what's "hot", that New Moon is a shoo-in for a Best Picture Nomination. Now you are suggesting a formula that could very possibly give it enough juice to win.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:49:12 AM CDT

    c4andmore

    by theblackknight

  • Jun 29, 2009 12:09:58 PM CDT

    How about a preliminary

    by stile

  • Jun 29, 2009 12:10:32 PM CDT

    Eliminate the Best Animated Feature Category

    by the_myhand

  • My finger slips and my post is screwed.

    What I was trying to say is that there should be a preliminary panel of experts that identifies the top, say, 15 best song candidates which is then narrowed down to the top 3 - 5 by the Academy at large.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:11:47 PM CDT

    Eliminate the Best Animated Feature Category

    by the_myhand

    And only allow the top 2 or so Animated Films to be nominated for Best Picture, since there are now 10 slots....and this will stop shitty animated films from having to be nominated just to have a full category.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:15:29 PM CDT

    OSCARS? YAWWWWWWWWWWWN

    by supercowbell5thecowbellhasspoken

    YYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:16:05 PM CDT

    Thank the gods.

    by rbatty024

    The best song category is always the worst (the two exceptions are this year's Jai Ho and when Eliot Smith was nominated). It slows down the telecast and is boring as can be. I've been waiting for this new for a long, long time.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:16:26 PM CDT

    What's the next shitty change?

    by shermdawg

    A viewer's choice Oscar?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:21:03 PM CDT

    Stupid, stupid Oscars

    by d.vader

    Im not always a fan of the Best Song performances, but even I can recognize this as a bad idea.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:22:05 PM CDT

    Why rate 6-10? Why not 1-5?

    by d.vader

    That's just stupid.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:25:01 PM CDT

    I should recant...

    by d.vader

    The Best Original Song Oscar needs work yes, but doesn't need to be totally scrapped.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:25:19 PM CDT

    Strangely, I'm okay with this.

    by obsd

    Not gay. Not a woman. Don't care about this at all.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:26:09 PM CDT

    The problem with the best animated film category...

    by rbatty024

    is that they rely heavily on American animated films, when it's pretty clear that only Pixar deserves to be nominated while the other two slots should probably go to foreign animated films. When Persepolis wasn't nominated it became clear that the category was a joke.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:28:27 PM CDT

    Well its hard out here for a pimp.

    by mitortilla

  • Jun 29, 2009 12:34:54 PM CDT

    Big Jim...

    by red ned lynch

    ...it's okay. I was being sarcastic.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:35:24 PM CDT

    I'm still pissed about THE WRESTLER

    by manifestchaos

    Slumdog was more overrated than Benjamin Button (which at least had its fair share of critics), and JAI HO is just utter shit. Springsteen's song deserved a Nobel Peace Prize more than Boyle's thoroughly mediocre film deserved anything but an award for first-time child actors (they were pretty great).

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:37:22 PM CDT

    You know all the decision they make based on

    by cherryvalance

    the running time of the ceremony make no sense. Don't mess with awards because you can't produce a short show. Because last year Hugh Jackman did like 27 dance numbers. And there is little I love more than Hugh Jackman and dance numbers but really they have nothing to do with handing out awards. I agree about the presenters walking in but there really isn't any banter. If they just did a straight up dignified awards show, they could have stars present the awards to winners and they could have more than 30 seconds for their speech and they would come in on time. It's all the stuff they add, dance numbers, montages, skits, explaining what film editing is, etc. that slow it down. You know what else they could do, make the clips of the nominees part of the red carpet coverage. Have the official red carpet show start 30 minutes earlier and pack it with nominee clips in between interviews. That way they wouldn't have to show clips during the ceremony.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:48:52 PM CDT

    Persepolis was screwed way harder than TDK

    by jackknifed_juggernaut

    which itself got fucked over. the Oscars as a whole is a joke... and needlessly tweaking the Original Song formula will help nothing.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 12:59:41 PM CDT

    What about

    by series7

    Most anticipated movie? Or viewers choice award! And to that guy above me saying Persepolis was screwed WAY harder than TDK? I've just read your Subject line I'm not even in full chat expansion mode, but I already know your a boner. What else should Persepolis get? I got an Oscar nom? I guess everytime someone takes a comic and makes a moving replica of it we should all shit our pants in amazement? I guess then Sin City got pretty fucked as well.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:03:29 PM CDT

    D.Vader

    by ricarleite2

    So your crappy song will get a 6, instead of a 1. Sounds better.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:05:50 PM CDT

    Cutting out the worst thing about the Oscars?

    by heckles

    Say it isn't so. All the song and dance acts were created because every dumb ass movie churned out in Hollywood from the 30's - 50's was a goddam musical. There are more racist robots in movies than musical numbers these days.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:07:10 PM CDT

    When was Persepolis

    by series7

    NOT nominated for Best Animated Feature Film of the Year? Seriously its like you guys have never tried using the internet before. Here is a good link for you. www.imdb.com Or http://www.oscars.org/

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:15:32 PM CDT

    Cutting the Thalberg award out is a mistake

    by yackbacker

    And the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award too- these are probably the most worthy awards the Academy hands out- they're not automatically awarded annually- they usually recognize someone that goes beyond simply delivering Oscar-worthy work. I find myself truly disgusted by the Academy with each passing year. When I think I can't lose any more respect for them, they go ahead and pull this shit.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:20:44 PM CDT

    Good riddance

    by smackfu

    So you mean no more having sit through horrible, horrible song numbers for songs that in most cases didn't even appear in the film, save for the end credits? Hooray. Sure, every now and then someone actually writes a kick ass song for a film that plays prominently in the film and it's marketing, but the overwhelming majority of the 'original songs' are complete drek.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:20:49 PM CDT

    no best original song GOOD!!!!

    by aclockworkkebab

    when 99% of original song nominations are boring instanty forgettable crap (eminem excluded...Just) its one catagory i can very easily do without, oscar nominated songs are geriatric bullshit for the most part, its like the grammys giving old farts best album awards and artist of the year awards to artists as relevant as the model T Ford, its one part of the ceromny that shows the academy to be old and out of touch, good riddance

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:24:16 PM CDT

    BEST USE OF A SONG OSCAR

    by aclockworkkebab

    when the perfect song is used in the right scene in can be incredible as opposed to a crappy 4th rate tune tacked on the end crdeits RANDY NEWMAN fuck off!!! sorry was that a bit harsh?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:24:18 PM CDT

    Here's an idea:

    by christopher3

    Get rid of the Oscars. They promote boring, forgettable "prestige" films that no one remembers a year later. You know what movies I actually remember with more than vague indifference from 2008? Wall-E, Dark Knight, Iron Man and Let the Right One In. That's really about it.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:30:11 PM CDT

    The Thalberg/Jean Hersholt awards are frequently the LAST time a

    by margot_tenenbaum

    ...gets a moment in the worldwide spotlight. ("Holy cow, Hal Roach is still alive?!?") or a chance to give an overlooked filmmaker an Oscar (pre-prequels Lucas etc.). Cutting these for time is a terrible thing -- it's just because Hollywood can't deal with age. I agree that they should cut both the Best Animated Feature and Best Original Song categories. They're worthless relics of when Disney was pushing everyone around in the '90s.If they want to shunt boring crap off the show, why not move best sound/sound editing/visual effects etc. to the technical Oscars ceremony. Or move the Best Documentary, Short Subject to some non-televised hippie commune in Northern California.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:36:24 PM CDT

    no honorary oscars? man, that sucks

    by bmacsmith

    it was a good way for the Oscars to make up for past fuck ups. i couldnt care less about this stupid ass show anymore.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:41:45 PM CDT

    Best Original Screenplay

    by amazing maurice

    LAWL! Irony

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:50:21 PM CDT

    MY HEART cannot GO ON without an original song...

    by flickapoo

    ...near, far...wherever you are...how could they to this? Isn't this category full of arbitrary bullshit rules about what can and can't qualify? Wasn't Eddie Vedder disqualified recently?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 1:51:54 PM CDT

    The Oscars lost me when the added the Designated Hitter.

    by azultool

  • Jun 29, 2009 1:52:55 PM CDT

    when THEY added...shit

    by azultool

  • Jun 29, 2009 2:09:09 PM CDT

    I haven't watched the Oscars in the past several years

    by indycollector

    I really only care who wins and I can find that out on the Internet without having to sit through some boring-ass show first.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:13:09 PM CDT

    Oh, I hope this passes

    by organs

    The Best Song Oscar category has about as much substance as Olympic Curling.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:16:55 PM CDT

    Oscars is like MTV movie awards. Predictable crud.

    by damien chowder

  • Jun 29, 2009 2:38:02 PM CDT

    YEAH THAT"S WHAT WE NEED! LONG ASS MONTAGES

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Here's a Key Grip Montage!

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:41:43 PM CDT

    This ISNT a shitty change

    by rippergiles

    goddamnit, they don't have to give out awards in a category if there aren't any worthy candidates. If there IS no outstanding song from a film in a given year, why award it to utter shit? It was giving Oscars to piles of shit just to give an award that made "Titanic" and "Gladiator" Academy Award winning films.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:44:46 PM CDT

    Oscars

    by series7

    Need to go to the multiple host format like they used to have. But use actual funny people, not flash in the pans....hmmm 1987 Paul Hogan anyone? Which I also see is the last year they did that.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:46:01 PM CDT

    Fuckin' lockesbrokenleg

    by al swearengen

    Who the fuck let that hooplehead out of his fuckin' dirt cave?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:46:21 PM CDT

    How come best visual effects

    by series7

    Only gets three places? That seems like a mistake on someones part?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:47:31 PM CDT

    Song needs to go...

    by scorekeeper

    I've been wanting them to drop Best Song for a long time now. It's the "cheapest" Oscar out there and a category severely lacking in credible candidates every year. Now if they would just bring back a Best Titles award that would put the icing on the cake.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:52:36 PM CDT

    Never understood the problem with being over running time

    by smackfu

    Seriously, why is ABC so worried about interrupting the 11 o'clock local news for a bunch of buttfark affiliates? I'm sure the world won't come to an end if a bunch of geriatric insomniacs don't get to hear about the squirrel loose in the apartment complex or the Baystreet Stop Sign controversy. ABC makes waaaay more money from their Oscar ads broadcasting to half the world than they do from 11pm commercials during a news program that 12 people in Kansas are watching. And it's not like the Affiliates are going to dump ABC just because of a half hour of pre-empted broadcast. 'Sorry ABC, you and I are DONE, professionally. We're going to use that empty channel for...uh...cable access shows...yeah...we didn't want viewers anyway...'

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:52:59 PM CDT

    Also how did The Bourne Ultimatum

    by series7

    End up with 3 Oscars as well? That seems like a mistake on someones part. It would be cool if Oscars would own up for its mistakes as well, not just in skipping people like Hitchcock and giving them an honarary one. But having like a review of Oscars from five years ago and seeing if the movie that one for best picture was really correct, and say a movie could be stripped of its title if the said title (Crash) did not win the votes again, after getting some distance from the movie.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 2:55:23 PM CDT

    How about Best Score and ONE best Song awarded

    by lockesbrokenleg

    We don't need to see Jamie Foxx singing five songs during the night.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:12:18 PM CDT

    The Oscahs have never been same...

    by bswise

    ...since they fired the Solid Gold Dancers.

    Oh, and I say good riddence to the oxygen-sucking "best song" category.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:34:33 PM CDT

    Couldn't they just solve everything by...

    by jacksparasites

    Couldn't they just solve everything by having higher standards for their nominees. Stop giving awards to flavor of the month movies that audiences will completely forget about in no time. Indian Rags To Riches Boy beat The Dark Knight and Milk? Give me a break. What do Double Indemnity, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, Star Wars, and Pulp Fiction all have in common. None of won the Oscar.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:38:08 PM CDT

    on a scale of 6-10??

    by spice-orange

    what the fuck does that even mean.

    Oscars always confused me as this shit is just a self-love-a-thon. its only fun when a couple of good popular movies people have heard of are nominated so we can all be tense and dramatic about whos gonna win.

    i hate front runners.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:39:03 PM CDT

    Wanna shorten the show?

    by rocklover79

    1) Get rid of ALL the montages save for In Memoriam. There are far too many montages and other bits that are ultimately pointless. The chief offender was that horrific shadow dancing garbage a few years ago. We don't want to see that shit!

    2) ALL speeches are 45 seconds save for lifetime achievement, which gets two minutes. If they go over, cut their mic off, kill the lights in their section of the stage and go to the next award immediately.

    3) No host. Have an announcer just bring out the presenters and that's it.

    You do all of this and the show is two hours, tops.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:40:55 PM CDT

    Do a two hour Oscar. One Hour is the red carpet

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The second hour is all the awards starting from Best Actress to the Best Picture. That's it. No songs. No Montages. No awards for the key grip

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:43:09 PM CDT

    There shouldn't be an Oscar for "Best Song" anyway

    by jawsfan

    There shouldn't be an Oscar for "Best Song" any more than there should be a Grammy Award for Best Video or a Tony Award for Best Playbill Cover.

    With a few exceptions, the Best Original Song Oscar has always gone to the "safe" or "bland" choice or to the artist with the most popularity. It rarely has gone to the song that was actually the best song. Of course this is all subjective and, ultimately, pointless. The Best Song winner normally rides the coattails of a high-profile movie. It's like the plain-jane girl getting into the exclusive nightclub because her hot friend tells the bouncer "She's with me".

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:45:05 PM CDT

    No awards for the key grip!!!

    by series7

    No awards for the key grip!!!! You must not know who the fuck Les T. Tomita is.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 3:45:52 PM CDT

    And stop dissing Three Six Mafia

    by rocklover79

    I'm so tired of hearing people bitch about how "oh, so-and-so has no Oscar but those RAPPERS do!" BOO FUCKING HOO, they wrote the best song in the category that year, they deserved to win, they won, the end. Don't compare their win to other people in completely different categories and diss them for winning while your precious actor lost. Diss the Academy for not voting for your precious actor. Three Six Mafia had nothing to do with it.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 4:04:46 PM CDT

    Don't care for the songs anyway

    by revenge_of_fett

    Comeon, those stupid musical numbers are teh worst part of the Oscars and we all know it. DITCH THE SONGS!

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  • Jun 29, 2009 4:08:37 PM CDT

    Did no-one see this coming?

    by timstuff

    There were three songs nominated this year, and 2 of them were from the same freaking movie! It's quite possible that there just aren't enough high quality original songs being paired with movies to justify having the category anymore. :(

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  • Jun 29, 2009 4:26:34 PM CDT

    Don't get rid of the lifetime achievement awards!

    by royston lodge

    I don't really care about the best song award, but it seems silly to get rid of the lifetime achievement awards ESCPECIALLY if the recipient has never won an Oscar.
    In fact, I think the lifetime achievement awards should only be given to people who have never won an Oscar, but whose body of work is definitely Oscar-worthy.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 4:27:58 PM CDT

    I'd also like to see an award for "audacity".

    by royston lodge

    Like the one that David Cronenberg was given at Cannes for Crash. Hehehe.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 4:49:20 PM CDT

    Best Title Design/ Best Title Sequence

    by continentalop

    I know you were joking about this Scorekeeper since Best Title Design only existed in the Silent era, but they really should have an academy award for Best Title Sequence for the opening credits. I mean, the work of Saul Bass alone says that it is an artistic accomplishment and has an impact on how people view the movie, Or as Bass himself said:
    "My initial thoughts about what a title can do was to set mood and the prime underlying core of the film's story, to express the story in some metaphorical way. I saw the title as a way of conditioning the audience, so that when the film actually began, viewers would already have an emotional resonance with it."

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  • Jun 29, 2009 4:56:30 PM CDT

    BEST FONT USED IN A TITLE SEQUENCE

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Come on. Isn't that a little shitty

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  • Jun 29, 2009 5:15:45 PM CDT

    lockesbrokenleg

    by continentalop

    In all honesty, can't you remember some title sequences more than you can remember a song from the movie? Hell, I remember some of the title sequences more than I do the movie itself.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 5:16:48 PM CDT

    And Helvetica would win hands down

    by continentalop

  • Jun 29, 2009 5:20:18 PM CDT

    I like how most movies these days just drop the title

    by lockesbrokenleg

    sequence. Dark Knight had a bat flying in then the movie started. Perfect.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 5:20:52 PM CDT

    I'll miss the Old Geezer Award

    by axel fff

    It was the one chance to get a whiff of Old Hollywood. Last Oscars was the worst I'd ever seen, with the "personal" introduction of each of the nominees. Unbearable. Get Steve Martin back as host, and turn this shit around.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 5:25:07 PM CDT

    Hey, when it works it works.

    by continentalop

    I think some movies shouldn't have an open credit sequence, but others (like CATCH ME IF YOU CAN or DAWN OF THE DEAD - a movie I didn't care for but had a brilliant opening) it works wonders for them.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 5:51:08 PM CDT

    I know I'll get shit for this, but I liked the title

    by lockesbrokenleg

    sequence for Crystal Skull. With the Elvis song and the convoy heading towards the base.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:05:16 PM CDT

    The Pizza Rule

    by raromo

    Limit the awards to Best Actor/Actress, Best Supporting, Best Writer of an original screenplay, Best Director, Best Cinematographer, Best Score, Best Movie, Best Foreign Film, Everybody Who Kicked the Bucket, Best Old Fart. No more dance numbers. Lots more comedy from the MC. Take best screenplay from an adapted work, best documentary, best short film, best set design, best make-up, best special effects, best wardrobe, etc. etc., and put them on that other show we don’t have to watch. The Academy Awards should only last as long as a pizza stays warm.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:06:26 PM CDT

    Can we see more of the after parties?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The E coverage just doesn't cut it anymore. i want to see Angelina Jole stone faced drunk, and Mickey Roucke hitting on a ton of babes.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:12:47 PM CDT

    RaRoMo

    by continentalop

    No Best Editing? You know that is the only thing unique about filmmaking?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:18:53 PM CDT

    Continentalop

    by raromo

    Absolutely, Best Editing. Editing makes or breaks a film. Everything else is just raw possibilities. Thanks for refining my list.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:28:26 PM CDT

    JacksParasites: Casablanca won Best Picture in 1943.

    by rev. slappy

    It also won for director and screenplay.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:28:32 PM CDT

    3 words - Oscar Winner Eminem.

    by juansanchez

    That's why the category needs to go bye bye.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:30:03 PM CDT

    Best titles or most inventive credits would be nice.

    by juansanchez

    I those were around 30 years ago the Zucker/Abrams/Zucker crew would have a dozen.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:32:46 PM CDT

    Best Titles cat. WTF?

    by logan_1973

    Sounds like something MTV would do for their award show, or an SNL skit poking fun at the Academy. If Best Song has to stay, at least eliminate the live performances. They've been a horrible pace-killer for years.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:46:32 PM CDT

    Why not Best Tittles?

    by continentalop

    I have no problem honoring any category that is a legitimate artistic/creative field. So make-up, Sound FX, sound editing, FX, costume, art direction would still be honored.
    The thing I laugh at is that for a bunch of supposed film aficionados you guys really don't seem to give a shit about who contributes on a film beyond the big name categories like director, actor or writer, much like the average filmgoer only cares about stars. I mean, do you think art director Dick Sylbert didn't have an impact on the movies he worked on, or costume designer Edit Head, or editor/sound designer Walter Murch or makeup artist Rick Baker or graphic designer Saul Bass? Hell, I could make the argument that Dede Allen was the bigger auteur in the editing bay than most of the directors she worked for.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 6:49:58 PM CDT

    "Tittles" WTF is a "Tittles"

    by continentalop

    I meant ever "Titles" or Titties". I'll let you decide which category it should be.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 7:22:51 PM CDT

    Best title or credits.

    by mel_gibsons_nazi_dad

    What is the only way Watchmen will win an Oscar?

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  • Jun 29, 2009 7:39:12 PM CDT

    How irrelevant are the oscars now?

    by mel_gibsons_nazi_dad

    Does anyone really care to watch the big jew and homo lovefest?

    I kid! About the jew part at least.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 8:00:08 PM CDT

    Name a movie about jews or gays that won best picture

    by continentalop

    About Jews = A Gentleman's Agreement, Driving Miss Daisy and Schindler's List. Movies about gays - none (one if you really want to push Midnight Cowboy).
    There have been more Best Picture winners about people from India - Gandhi and Slumdog Millionaires - that has won best picture than about gay people, and just as many movies about Viet Nam as moves about jews. So you're argument has no basis whatsoever.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 8:10:53 PM CDT

    Movies about messed up babes always win

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Or messed up sports athletes.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 9:06:49 PM CDT

    Why raise the bar for songs but lower it for best picture?

    by flim springfield

    I say raise the bar for every category. "It's an honour just to be nominated" would no longer just be a cliche.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 9:09:03 PM CDT

    I approve of a Best Titties category.

    by flim springfield

  • Jun 29, 2009 9:38:11 PM CDT

    I think the biggest problem with the Oscars

    by series7

    Is the Razzies. They don't even try. They are the equivalent to a middle school newspaper worst of the year list. There is so much potential, but they don't even try. Wow Love Guru is the worst, good job. I take it real funny people don't run it. Seriously, it must take about all of 10 minutes to come up with the Razzies, they could do a lot better. Be a lot meaner.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 9:52:20 PM CDT

    Dumbest Motherfucker Category

    by my_iq_is_135

  • Jun 29, 2009 10:11:13 PM CDT

    Continentalop

    by scorekeeper

    Actually I wasn't joking. I was dead serious and you hit the nail on the head. Title sequences are like short films all made by people who specialize in title sequences...SEVEN, CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, CHARLOTTE'S WEB, IRON MAN, SPIDER-MAN 2, PANIC ROOM, and tons of others all had insanely cool title sequences that deserve recognition. They need to bring back the Oscar for this category, plain and simple.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:14:19 PM CDT

    And if thinking of End Title Sequences

    by scorekeeper

    LEMONY SNICKET's End Titles were far far better than the movie itself. WALL-E's art-history end titles were also super-cool.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:16:03 PM CDT

    Best Emotionally Uplifting Montage

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Best killing story development at the third act while we wait for the bad guy to die.

    Best Political Insult at Republicans

    Best unrealistic portrayal of romance in movies (ie nice guy gets girl at end for being nice)

    Best FX Picture to feature major landmarks to be destroyed (GI Joe for the Eiffel Tower, 2012 for the White Hosue)

    Best fictional category

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:19:31 PM CDT

    Best Snarky Indie Film Made for and by hipsters

    by cylon_conspiracy

    Forgot that one. Could be a tossup between that maya rudolph movie where they are better than everyone else, and that 500 days movie where Zooey sings Smiths songs to enraptured indie boys everywhere, like me. But I'm not falling for it this time after Yes Man.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:25:56 PM CDT

    Lemony Snicket's end titles were the best ever

    by d.vader

    That was like a mini-movie itself.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:27:23 PM CDT

    Best Scooby Doo ending

    by cherryvalance

    Best Blinking Instead of Actual Crying

    Best Pacing While Yelling

    Best Green Saturation

    Best Camera-Shake In The Place of Fight Choreography

    Best Token Old Person in a Comedy

    Best Gay Pirate/Vampire/Droid

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:33:07 PM CDT

    I'd LOVE to have a "Best Title Sequence" category

    by nasty in the pasty

    One of the things I most look forward to when I see a new Tim Burton movie is the ALWAYS awesome title sequence he comes up with. In fact, despite Big Fish being an awesome movie in virtually every other respect, the lack of a "Burtonian" title sequence was actually disappointing to me. Often a title sequence can be the most memorable part of a movie (what was that Nic Cage movie from a few years back with the title sequence that followed a single bullet from it's "birth" to it's "death" as it enters a human's body? That was fucking AWESOME).

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  • Jun 29, 2009 10:43:22 PM CDT

    nasty

    by dalbatron

    lord of war... awesome!

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:01:10 PM CDT

    Coolest ass Slow Mo Bullet sequence!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • Jun 29, 2009 11:01:43 PM CDT

    Ehhh, meh, yeah, weird

    by jaka

    10 best pic, ehhh, not sure on that - but I do see how it will allow more films to say "nominated for best picture". Meh to the Best Song set up. Sounds like it may still need some work, but I agree about the end title songs. They SHOULD be eligible. Yeah, I totally agree about the title sequence award needing to be brought back. Se7en deserved it's own special award for just that. Changed the way title sequences are viewed by the industry, imo (also an incredibly brilliant use of a piece of NIN music that I owned before I saw it - freaked me out). Why would they remove the awards that honor people for something other than a (usually) fleeting moment. That's kinda weak sauce. But then I also think somebody should televise the technical awards show, with advertising and everything, as well.

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  • Jun 29, 2009 11:08:03 PM CDT

    Most Blankest performance, most overrated Pixar movie

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Most overhyped Disney song, most overhyped and shitty Brad Pitt movie. Best Angelina Jolie facial tick.

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  • Jun 30, 2009 12:07:18 AM CDT

    Saul Bass was the king of title credits

    by axel fff

    Vertigo, North by Northwest, Psycho, and his collaborations with Scorsese (Casino, etc.)

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  • Jun 30, 2009 12:20:57 AM CDT

    Scorekeeper

    by continentalop

    Glad to see we agree. Going back in time, think what certain movies would be like without there awesome opening credits sequences: The Bond movies, The Wild Bunch ("Anybody movies, kill 'em!"), The Warriors, Thomas Crown Affair, or Kiss Me Deadly?

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  • Jun 30, 2009 12:22:55 AM CDT

    axel fff

    by continentalop

    Without a doubt. Bass' work on Scorsese's Goodfellas is still one of the best credit sequences ever: simple but incredibly effective. And one of his most overlooked ones his his great opening credits he did for Preminger's Bunny Lake is Missing.
    By chance anybody ever see the movie Bass directed about the super-smart ants?

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  • Jun 30, 2009 12:33:08 AM CDT

    at first...

    by thegimik

    songs from dancer in the dark, once, and even south park really worked well. they deserve to be recognized, i kinda like what they are dong. they are making it about how the song fits in with the film and not about what gets played on the readio...

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  • Jun 30, 2009 12:37:52 AM CDT

    The Day the Oscars Died

    by drmorbius

    "It's Hard Out Here For A Pimp".That is all.

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  • Jun 30, 2009 1:17:05 AM CDT

    I hope Purple Rain wins best song

    by the_ritty

  • Jun 30, 2009 1:19:17 AM CDT

    but seriously

    by the_ritty

    how did Song of the Heart win a Golden Globe and not even get a NOMINATION? Huh? Douche chill...

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  • Jun 30, 2009 7:38:53 AM CDT

    I Hope the KILL the Song category all together!

    by nightavatar

    I don't see why they can't just drop the category from the whole show. It's a joke anyway! It usually showcases one or two movies - almost always a Disney movie and sometimes the years "musical" if one exists. A joke!

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  • Jun 30, 2009 7:46:41 AM CDT

    Why wasn't America, Fuck Yeah

    by grammaton cleric binks

    nominated for best original song? Because the Academy has no guts.

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  • Jun 30, 2009 9:49:44 AM CDT

    Best Title? Really?

    by ricarleite2

    So movies like Dark Knight and Apocalypse Now would not be ellidgeble, right?

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  • Jun 30, 2009 10:11:45 AM CDT

    End Title Sequences

    by series7

    xXx, those were really cool. Can't really say anything about the movie, slept through it. Yeah I fucking paid $6 to take a nap in a nasty theater.

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  • Jun 30, 2009 10:58:55 AM CDT

    Hmmm. Sounds shitty

    by lou c.

    I would like the Best Original Song category to stay, but they need to change the process. First of all, seeing Glen Hansard and Marketa Irglova up there to accept for "Once," was a great moment. But they need to stop eliminating songs that sample other works from the process, and just call it "Best Song." What they do now sounds extraordinarily stupid, and Vedder and Springsteen being snubbed shows there are good candidates left out. I'll kinda miss the honorary Oscar speech, but not when it's Warren Beatty talking for 40 minutes, so I guess that's fine. As for Best Animated Film, doesn't that REALLY need to go away now? If it's not good enough to be listed among the ten best films of the year, it really doesn't deserve to be in a separate category.

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  • Jun 30, 2009 11:53:58 AM CDT

    getting rid of the honorary awards is retarded

    by bacci40

    this show just keeps getting worse

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  • Jun 30, 2009 1:03:00 PM CDT

    continentalop: saul bass and the smarty ants

    by raymond shaw

    That would be "Phase IV". Neat science fiction film, now available on DVD. Nicely ambiguous. Couldn't be made today, it would be ruined by CGI.

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  • Jun 30, 2009 2:39:15 PM CDT

    But Scorekeeper...

    by logan_1973

    9 times out of 10 those opening title sequences are from the vision of the director. Snyder's Watchmen, Speilberg/Lucas' Indy 4, for example. Chances are the Directors would be getting the honor anyway...

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  • Jun 30, 2009 3:06:50 PM CDT

    Continentalop, I didn't mean the movies

    by mel_gibsons_nazi_dad

    I meant the people making them.

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  • Jun 30, 2009 3:37:43 PM CDT

    lookit who's in the Academy

    by cherryvalance

    http://tinyurl.com/mxoe8a

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  • Jun 30, 2009 5:53:26 PM CDT

    And I was looking forward to...

    by triple_j_72

    ...FINALLY seeing Harrison Ford get his due by getting a "Lifetime Achievement" Oscar. Now that may never happen... DAMN YOU, Academy!

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  • Jun 30, 2009 6:17:37 PM CDT

    When are the Oscar people going to realize

    by thelordofhell

    It's not about cutting the awards or the speeches, it's about cutting EVERYTHING ELSE!! I was going to watch the last Academy Awards ceremony all the way through, but when I saw Hugh Jackman standing on top of some shit singing, "I'M WOLVERINE!!!", I turned my TV off and went back to my computer. Academy people listen to this.....NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WITTY HOST BANTER, STUPID MONTAGES, PRESENTER'S CONVERSATIONS LONGER THAN THE TIME YOU "ALLOW" FOR ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES!! FUCK YOUR BLOWHARD EXTRAS AND JUST GIVE US HOST INTRODUCTION, PRESENTER INTRODUCTION, NOMINEE INTRODUCTION(with clips), WINNER ANNOUNCEMENT, AND ACCEPTANCE SPEECH. THANK YOU, GOOD NIGHT, THAT'S FUCKIN' IT!!

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