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Oscars To Start Picking Ten Nominees Instead Of Five!!
I am – Hercules!!
Presumably to boost ratings for the Oscar telecast, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences just announced it will for the first time since 1943 field 10 best picture nominees instead of five.
I am all kinds of for this. Too many worthy movies get the high hat each year, and I’m excited to see them spread the recognition around!
Now they should bring back Steve Martin and/or David Letterman to host.
Find Variety’s story on the matter here.
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I'll be interested to find out who the nominate. But I'm not going to watch it. Until Midnight. This is a way to boost ratings?
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five extra undeserving nominees for Best Picture...
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Hey, I'm just saying. It's a good idea.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:42:30 PM CDT
Okay, so they couldn't do this LAST YEAR for "The Dark Knight!!!
by evangelion217
If their were 10 oscar nominees last year, then "The Dark Knight" would of been one of them. I guarantee it!
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Are both a couple of tools. So is Hercules!
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every fucking movie! 10 is way too much. Should just be 3.
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Guess that means best animated film will still only be 3.
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I'll sign that petition... although Hollywood doesn't have the stones to have Patton host.
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They should have Patton Oswalt and either Jeff Foxworthy or Larry the Cable Guy co-host. That would be an evening to remember.
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try again
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"Now here's Jonah Hex's Megan Fox introducing a clip from the best picture nominated Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen."
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That'd be....interesting...
Or maybe, Christian Bale....
He could shout out the nominies, announce the winners angrily.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:48:20 PM CDT
I'll Tune Into Watch if they Burn Dane Cook in Effigy
by kevinwillis.net
That doesn't have much to do with the Oscars. Just saying, I might watch it if they did that.
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"The Dark Night Rule." Time Warner has a lot of power in Hollywood. The ratings for the show last year sucked because The Dar Knight was not nominated for Best Pic.-----later-----m
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That's the stupidest thing I've heard lately.
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And turn the judging over to AICN. Then watch Ryan Reynolds and Megan Fox win.
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That should be a shoe-in now...
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I'm interested in your organization. Please send me some of your literature.
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Let's hope that people don't see this as watering down the accomplishment that goes with the best picture nomination.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:53:30 PM CDT
Only for best picture? What about Director and writing?
by spectrebeeyatch
Actors can stay at 5 though.
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Damn Typos!!
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It will get a nomination, as well as Dance Movie, and New in Town.
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So we get this in a year where there aren't more than 3 or so good movies! UP (stop giving pixar animated film noms, they're jsut as valid and better crafted than most live action), The Hangover...any other actual good films this year? I can't think of anymore...
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Seriously, what is the point of this? It just makes everything a longer shot and will irritate more people in the industry and fans of the show.
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The Academy fielded ten Best Picture nominees till the mid 1940s.
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then they will have to do director and screenplay...how the fuck are they gonna do actors and actressess?
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As long as its not every dang category. The stupid thing is long enough already, and maybe they'll give the more mainstream films that people have actually seen a chance rather than just Indie Sundance crap.
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"the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences just announced it will for the first time field 10 best picture nominees instead of five."
1943 was the last year to have 10 films up for best picture....just look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Picture#1940s -
thank god for that. i had visions of 'academy award nominee' after EVERY ACTOR'S NAME on posters/trailers from now on.
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The problem isn't great films being left out of the mix. The problem is voters choosing the wrong five for the honor. I think Hollywood is hard-pressed now to find a handful each year that actually deserve to be nominated. There's so many other things the Academy should be focusing on (a GOOD host, show length, comedy category). This announcement is ridiculous. ... "TDK" was robbed!
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I work at a theater and see tons of movies, and I'm lucky to be able to pick 5 worthy of best picture let alone 10. Maybe I see too many mainstream movies, and not enough of the indy or limited stuff that gets the nominations. I say if it's a worthy film and it's getting good buzz, get it to the mainstream theaters for people to see. I tired of the oscar nominations coming around each year and going, "Never heaqrd of them, never heard of that, nope never heard of that either."
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He ridicules Scientology.
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good call. Is this not goign to make this wankfest even longer? sheesh.
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Inquiring minds want to know! Also, uhhhh... I dunno about this. Doubling the amount of Best Picture nominees? Why? Why not just add 2 more to the list? Now it will be doubly insulting when the fantastic foreign film or animated film doesn't get a nomination. Or it might just lower the quality of every other good film when something mediocre gets on the list because they couldn't find 10 good films that year.
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Hugh was awesome.
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I'm done...
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Jun 24, 2009 1:04:37 PM CDT
There are not 10 Best Picture deserving films....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....each year. There are probably one or two. If anything they should cut the nominees down. Fuck this.
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I'M DONE....
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Still three films for Best Animated Feature. And if it looks like there might be five, we'll start disqualifying films until there's not enough "eligible" titles. Can't let the Japs or the fucking Frenchies get a fair shot, can we?
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fuckin' a-holes, they WILL TURN IT INTO THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS.
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who enjoys every minute of the Oscars, even when I disagree. I'm all for this, for selfish reasons.
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...and pretty cynical marketing at that. I can see it now, "On DVD and Blu-Rray January 15th, "Transformers, Revenge of the Fallen", nominated for Best Picture by the Academy of Motion Pictures...
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Face it--most of the movies chosen as best picture are forgotten quickly. Hollywood gets it wrong every time.
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It's a gimmick to attract viewership. The Academy needs to either appeal to the lower common denominator and nominate films that regular joe six pack types enjoy, or they need to forget ab ratings and appeal to their niche base.
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Suddenly made the show much less competitive. I can't wait until next year when we can call "The Hangover" an "Oscar-nominated film". Groan.
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...and "Land Of The Lost" ,"G.I.Joe" and the Eddie Murphy, "Year One",...and maybe a special "Ed Wood Lifetime Achievment" award for Michael Bay.
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They just want to atone for not having the Dark Knight in last year's slate. They really think more people will watch because Star Trek WILL be in this year's slate, maybe even Avatar.
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...will be more difficult to ignore if you have to choose 10 films. I'm sick of the "Animated Feature" consolation prize.
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I'm 100% serious! These people are risking their asses AND are working in pretty much every kind of movie, from you big summer action movies to your arthouse drama, but do they get an Oscar! NO!
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Jun 24, 2009 1:18:38 PM CDT
THERE'S BARELY FIVE FUCKING GOOD MOVIES A YEAR!!!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
WTF is this stupid fucking bullshit?
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Now Hollywood just has to...
make 10 "Oscar-worthy" films in a year.
Can you do it, Hollywood?
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this means movies like Up can be nominated and have a shot at winning. maybe even a curveball like Star Trek will get nominated (but wont win) like they sometimes do at the golden globes
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Jun 24, 2009 1:20:18 PM CDT
Awesome. Now let's eliminate the gender segregation for acting a
by heavenlykid
Seriously, do we have a best female director? A best female screenwriter? Why best female actor? And don't tell me performance is different. Kate Winslet should be allowed to go head to head against Sean Penn.
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got cut off. Which hopefully didn't take too much of my fire.
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Absolutely right. A performance is a performance. Continue to divide by lead/supporting, but let's integrate the sexes already.
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That crap is still televised????
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This means nothing. There's still one winner. What good does 10 vs. 5 nominations do? What they should do is have more nominees for SFX and open some new catagories.
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Or are you telling me that stuntwork in a movie is less important than "best costumes"?
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In this increasingly PC world, "competition" hurts people's feelings when they don't win. Eventually, ALL pictures will win Oscars so that everybody stays happy and nobody is offended.
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This is a huge announcement but it is not the first time that the Best Picture had ten slots a year. The shame is that with double the slots, its half as meaningful for a film to get nominated for best picture.
I mean seriously, as it is with five it becomes an honor in itself to be nominated, and guessing what films will be nominated is quite difficult/fun. Now, they are going to have to settle for more mediocre films that are there because of the history of the director/producer/cast.
I'm exited to see how it pans out, but i'm also very hesitant. If there is a category that needs ten nominees, its The Foreign Film category. I'd hate to see mediocre shit get nominated for best picture and find out some of the years best foreign films aren't even acknowledged. This happens every year, and this year it will be twice as obnoxious.
I can't even think of five films so far this year (in english) that i'd be willing to give a nomination to. With that many slots we'll likely see shit like The Soloist nominated, which will make it much more idiotic when brilliant films like The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford get shafted. -
(which usually has a hard time finding 5 worth the noms), they have 5 nominees in a Best Comedy category? Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer will finally get the awards they so richly deserve.
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to get people to tune into the telecast. Every time the ratings go down, they try to look for something new to spice things up. People will tire of this in like two or three years and then they'll go back to 5.
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Since they usually end up having the best review average, more than any other film released each year? Like someone said above, it will be harder to ignore them. Or they won't even bother with a nomination.
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and I second the notion for a stunt coordination Oscar. If you want to get more movie fans and young people to tune in, they should do this.
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But when you consider the limited choices for best and/or supporting actress....it's lean like Joan Cusack being nominated.
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Enough said.
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Fuck, now we're going to see movie trailers with "Academy Awward® Nominee Jack Black" FUUUUUUUCK!!!!!
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I don't like the idea of diluting the significance of the nominations by this much. Adding 1-2 more would have made sense to me, but doubling the number of nominations seems like too far too fast.
Also, I can only guess that with more options to split the vote, we'll have a bigger chance of an upset that pisses people off. Of course loads of Best Picture awards go to lesser films anyway, but I don't see this improving the situation, unless they really believe that "just getting nominated is an honor." -
at the risking of reading too much into this, they're probably doing this to generate more box office. nominated films usually see an increase in ticket sales. this will water down the categories and the gluttony of nominations will cause people to lose interest or not focus on any of the nominations at all.
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I can't remember the last time I, or anyone I know, sat down to watch anything more than 30 minutes of that show. It's a damned disaster. Now twice as long!
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Why not make it 15 or 20? Hell, just give everyone a nomination....
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Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar! Stunt Oscar!
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Cloverfield had consistently good ratings....should it have been eligible for Best Picture? Get out of here with that nonsense. They made the toon category for a reason, to tell Lasseter's fat ass to shut the fuck up. PIXAR = ANIMATED OSCAR BAIT
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"How does it feel to be nominated?" "It's an honor just to be nominated ....... well ... not as much of an honor as last year, but still, it's nice."
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They have TEN freaking spots open now. It seems like they'd have to, at some point, acknowledge the films that have the highest critical ratings. Would that put Cloverfield into the mix? Maybe, who knows? Its a terrible idea.
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I know, the Academy goes most of the time for the big names too, but to say that there are every year less than 10 great movies, is just dumb. (But what do I expect from the same people who think that The Dark Knight was oscarworthy?)
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This is going to result in a calvacade of "Marisa Tomei" Best Picture decisions. 6 nominees would've been passable, but 10 is INCREDIBLY stupid.
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With this many nominees, it's time to expand...If they're going for ratings and a financial boost, maybe they should just go with an American Idol scheme and eliminate a couple pictures every week leading up to the Oscars? It would build tension, and everyday movie goers can have a vote too. I hope everyone can tell I'm joking. Having 10 nominees is simply ridiculous.
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But the name dropping of Pixar for a Best Picture win gives me the runs. Why don't they just go all the way and name the highest grossing film the Best Picture every year?!
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Since he switched shows, he really has upped his game.
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A) For ratings...how likely are you to watch an Oscar broadcast full of movies you've not seen? B) More movies will be able to tag "Oscar nominated" on their ads, giving more movies that post-Oscar-nomination-announcement-pre-Oscar-broadcast increase at the box office, maybe even resulting in more second releases. C) I think it's dumb, but I know why they are doing it. They need to do a better job of nominating instead of just adding more. The "it has to be a drama or one of the greatest comedies ever or it won't get nominated" is just a nearsighted way of looking at the best that Hollywood has to offer.
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Funniest most fearless comic in the Hollywood inside at the moment imho.
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That the amount of money a picture made is equal to quality. Its a much less respected argument than the "amount of critical praise a film receives is equal to quality" argument. Pixar's films are consistently among the top rated films each year, like it or not. You can't debate that.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:01:07 PM CDT
Are they taking everybody out for ice cream after the game?
by mitortilla
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That's what's killing the Oscars. They only have to release a movie for one week in NY and LA to qualify, so you end up having a number of nominees from movies that most Americans haven't even been able to see.
I'd also like to see the Academy spruce up the telecast. How about taking it out of the stodgy 1940's style and make it a little more hip, fun and spontaneous. I swear every year the sets are the same garish and tacky Art Deco Golden Age of Hollywood bullshit.
Finally, for some really out of the box thinking (which I'm not sure I even agree with myself), how about making box office and a fan vote a percentage of the voting, say like 20%. Kind of like how they do with All Star selections. -
The Academy should change the qualification so a movie has to be in theatres for a say a month on at least 500 (1000??) screens to qualify.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:09:33 PM CDT
Hercules you are vacant moron on your best days
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
first you pick the 2 worst hosts in the last ten years..(It should be Sienfeld's gig and that was proven from his performance 2 years ago)..and second..what's the point? YAY..THE SHOW NOW GETS TO BE ANOTHER HOUR LONGER..and now there are 9 losers instead of 4..is anyone going to seriously keep track of 10 nominees..ultimately what you end up with is 4 pictures that don't deserve to be there and are just filler..jesus man..
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split it into two groups of five. comedy and drama. (no musicals)
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SHAMELESS plea for ratings and to placate the people who think "popular" films get shafted. ...and come on, when was the last time there was 10 worthy pictures in a year? Mos years I can't find FIVE worth nominating!
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UP highest rated film so far this year...will it win best picture? not a chance.
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at 100%
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Now the less-than-worthy (but still great) Up and Star Trek will get Best Pic nominations when WALL-E, the best-reviewed and obvious best of last year got left out in the cold. Will love to hear the Armond White "WALL-E sucks" crowd (i.e. those who crap on good movies just to be different) saying we told you so. *sigh*
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...where you guys are getting 2 hours logner from? How long does it take you to say 5 things out loud. Double that. Oh, and i guess the time for those clips or whatever if they still do that(they probably won't) this won't make anything to long. It will cheapen the nomination, but the studios don't care. And thats what matters most.
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This is dismaying. It does seem to devalue the honor. That said, if it gets more truly great films that are overlooked some recognition (and I'm NOT talking about studio movies WALL*E or THE DARK KNIGHT), then I suppose it could do some good.
That all said, with ten nominees, the Academy absolutely MUST do something about the voting procedure. You can't have a straight-up who-gets-the-most-votes in a scenario like this and expect to produce the actual favorite movie. You're certainly never going to get a majority on one ballot. Do some research, Academy, and institute INSTANT RUNOFF for the Best Picture voting procedure. It's the only thing that will make sense. -
Won't this make being nominated for best pic a little less impressive?
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if that happens. With 10 noms, Up deserves one. Last year, Wall-E deserved one as well, Best Animated be damned. Wall-E was one of the best fucking movies of the year.
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Will they start nominating obscure films that most people have never heard of?
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What an outrage! This is going to alter the great tradition of the Academy Awards! HeHe. I love the fact that they think that this will drum up interest in the telecast. You want to know why the ratings are down? Because NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THIS GAY SHIT!
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it was definetly one of the top 10 best movies of the year..and with 10 choices the academy would have to be dicks to ignore it liked they ignored TDK last year...also star trek totally deserves a nomination
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Jun 24, 2009 2:23:07 PM CDT
There's no excuse for Up not getting a Best Pic nomination.
by colonelfatheart
Yeah, that's right, Pixar haters. I said it.
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Seriously... just because a movie is made by a big studio its dumb? Oh really?
I'll take movies like "Dark Knight" or "Up" or "WALL*E" any day over "Another Boring Indie Movie Featuring People with Dysfunctional Families #97". -
AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR, AVATAR
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That's all the Oscars are, the industry giving itself a blowjob. Who CARES?
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I've wanted them to have more nominees for sooooooo long. The snobs hate the idea because they think Year One is gonna get nominated, but the fact is quality films get left behind every year because not enough people have seen them, they don't have the backing of the right people, not a large enough campaign, etc. I think this helps the little guy. And it will trickle down to the rest of the categories. Because actors have a hard time getting nominated sometimes if their performance isn't in an "Oscar worthy" film. So if there are more "Oscar worthy" films, at least more that the academy will watch, that'll give actors a better chance too, imo.
This is the best news I've heard in a while seriously. I was all depressed when I woke up this morning. And then when I read this I popped up so high off my chair that I almost hit the ceiling. :D YAY for movies!!!! *hugs everyone* -
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Jun 24, 2009 2:27:21 PM CDT
Ummm there is an excuse for Up not being nominated....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....for Best Picture. Its called BEST ANIMATED FEATURE CATEGORY you dumb fucks. What Pixar's too good to be clumped in with lowly animated films? Fuck you. And fuck them and their white-bread Oscar baiting.
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... and present Best Documentary prize beside Michael Moore.
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Thank god I was wearing 3-D glasses during that opening montage. My girlfriend couldn't see me welling-up like a bitch.
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Why not? It's just being consistent with the acting awards.
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And movies that have been nominated in that category were nominated in best picture. A feature is a feature. DGDB, if you want to challenge the folks who say voice actors should be nominated for acting Oscars, go right ahead. But Up and Wall-E and Finding Nemo were damn good, even great, movies. Certainly better than much of the shit that makes the final five every year.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:32:39 PM CDT
Unless they allow animated features a chance at the BP prize...
by nasty in the pasty
...then this is a horrible, HORRIBLE idea. EVERYTHING will get spread too thin. Most of the BP nominees will be lucky to get even three or four nominations in other catgories. The ceremony will run an additional hour just to allow for clips from the additional BP nominees (plus all the added schtick from the host and presenters...oy). Plus, it devalues the prize itself when you have more nominees. Like when they had five nominees in the Best Animated Feature category, you had deserving films like Spirited Away and Lilo & Stitch competing with crapola like Treasure Planet and Shark Tale. Fuck this!
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But marketing departments and ad firms must be salivating at all the work they will have locked in every year going forward now.
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I think it thoroughly deserves a Best Picture nomination, but I thought the whole point of the academy creating a 'best animated feature' category was so that they wouldn't ever need to compete with Disney/Pixar for best film.
Much like how the New York Times created a separate best-seller list for young adults, so they wouldn't have to suffer the humiliation of consistently reporting "Harry Potter" as the #1 bestseller. -
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is that we're getting too close to those award ceremonies at the end of the school year. The ones where even the fat, smelly Mongoloid eating his nose candy gets a special certificate because he's good at reciting Pokemon characters or some such shit.
But I give Oscar credit: even though he's being vague about it, he is admitting he's whoring out so the Wal-Mart crowd will tune into the Oscars and think the dead celebrities reel is a trailer for the new Blue Collar Comedy Tour movie. -
Great idea.
They could lead from nomination day through to the ceremony with ten and then halfway through the show they announce the top three.
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Stunt Coordinators and Stunt People are getting the shaft. Considering that action films make up the majority of Hollywood's revenue nowadays, I think an Oscar category to stunt people is long overdo. Plus, many times they are literally risking their lives for the film. When people say an actor or director made a brave choice, they are talking out of there ass.
Two people died who worked on The Dark Knight: one was a big star who ODed on drugs after he was done working on the movie, the other was a stunt man who died while working on the picture planning a car scene. Which one do you think the Academy recognized? -
Wall-E would have been nominated if this rule existed last year. Foreign films will have a better chance to get in too. Guys, this is good for the movies we like. It's our time now.
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Fuck I shoulda put a subject line, now it looks like im condoning academy award winner Paul Blart.
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Haven't seen Up. Wall-E was mediocre, the last half was no different than any whiz bang cartoon. Finding Nemo was fucking horrid. Albert Brooks' annoying ass squealing "NEEEEEEEMOOOOOOOOOO!!! THATS MY SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!! NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" ever 30 fucking seconds just isn't my thing. Sorry. But as I said...this has nothing to do with my personal opion. I'm pointing out what you already know-- an animation category exists. For people to suggest Pixar is too good for the animation category is fucking nauseating. They have a formula that works. Big fucking wow.
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This seems like another attempt at a ratings boost, but maybe it would not be such a bad idea. The amount of bitching that went on about the Dark knight not getting nominated was rampant on here. It's a good idea so that movies less forgettable than The Reader are nominated, but what the hell is going to be nominated this year? Star Trek? I mean, so far there has been nothing of outstanding quality. The nominees are going to be spread in the same way: 5 movies you'd expect might win, and 5 movies everyone can plainly see are there for the hell of it.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:38:09 PM CDT
NEWS: NCAA Basketball tournament to be expanded to 128 teams
by continentalop
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We don't have a release date so I don't know when in 2010 they were shooting for but if they could get it out by the end of the year, you never know. ;)
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Yeah, a Best Stuntwork oscar is WAY overdue,I know Spielberg and other have lobbied for a long time on this.. but clearly not hard enough.
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.....was created because people were crying animated films werent receiving the acclaim they should. People seem to forget Beauty and the Beast. So they gave them their category so animated films could start winning Oscars, and now people are whining it prevents them from being nominated for the big prize....so animated films should be eligible for both? Or only Pixar? I don't get it. Either way, it stinks like dead cunt. Fuck you.
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I respect your opinions on those movies. Fair enough. But it's not just that Pixar deserves some special treatment, it's just that they're consistent (although I'm no fan of the Toy Story movies, and I hated Cars). What about Miyazaki? What about a DreamWorks animated move that comes along and knocks socks off? If there's a great animated film, or documentary for that matter, they should not be pigeonholed.
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think about what is best movie or best screenplay or actor? Who gives a shit?
yeah it's fun to see all the 'stars' in one place, and sometimes the opening sequence is interesting, and I used to love the Oscars until I realized it was just a bunch of people who work in Hollywood giving their friends awards for making films that match their political views, and giving them a platform for making asinine political statements (when there's a republican in office that is) that reflect how insular their worlds really are.
Sure Ledger was the obvious favorite last year for the Joker for best supporting actor. But Penn was also the obvious favorite for lead actor because he played a homosexual. He was great in the movie but him winning was about as predictable as it gets.... which makes you wonder if he REALLY was the best actor, or if all the gay people in the academy wanted to celebrate another gay movie. Which weakens the whole significance of the award, and in a way undermines Penn's performance by patronizing it.
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..is one of my favorite tv memories. I still find myself sometimes giggling when I'm thinking of 'Uma......Oprah......Uma....Oprah'or Jack Palance auditioning for Cabin Boy. 'Would you like to buy.... a monkey?' Can't believe he gor crucified for that. Best TV ever.
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Thats fine. Then lobby to get rid of the Animated Feature category. You can't have both. You can't have the pitty Oscar just so an animated film gets an award every year, and still make it possible for the really really really good animated films to be eligible for Oscar. Thats fucking bullshit. Thats like saying Tilda Swinton is eligible for both Actor and Actress Oscars because she has neither cunt nor cock. -
Animated SHOULD have it's own category. It clearly is a different medium to live action, any fool can see that.
Any crew that wins a Best Animated Oscar is not going to feel like they got the booby prize. There's massive kudos for it. No need to change anything. -
Best of 7 just seems like a logical and catchy sloganoh well as long as watchmen is nominated i'
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You'll get your 5 prestige pics like the old days, then add 1 animated flick (which is then a shoo-in for Best Animated), 2 critically lauded foreign films, an ultra-low profile independent gem and the best-reviewed action flick of the year (e.g. DK, Trek) to appease the fanboy crowd. Pretty shameless but also savvy from a ratings/box office persepective.
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The culprits to stuntmen's lack of recognition is actors. I actually have respect for actors - it is a lot tougher job than most people realize - but having said that actors are also a narcissistic bunch and don't want people to realize they are not doing those incredible feats. And who makes up the biggest block of Academy voters? Actors and actresses.
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but Danny, animated movies always been eligible for both. So are docs and foreign films. They just don't get nominated because the Academy doesn't feel like it.
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Change the category to best animation, then. Animators absolutely should be recognized. But the movies should be eligible for the best picture award. When I go see Up or Kung Fu Panda, I don't say I'm going to the animated movies tonight. No, I'm going to the movies.
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How about just have an hour long show where they do the top awards? No one gives a shit about Best Lighting.
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Best Kiss, best Villain, Best fight, etc.
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On her wedding night Tilda Swinton nervously asked her new husband 'if he'd ever seen The Crying Game?'
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Now that would step up the pressure and interest. There should be less fluff not more.
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I think you're almost right. And it may also make for some interesting vote tallies as votes are split. But I have a feeling Hollywood's just going to reward more of its expensive "prestige" pictures like Cold Mountain or Revolutionary Road or Memoirs of a Geisha that didn't make the cut in previous years.
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now my life is complete
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MTV Movie Awards make me feel dumber.
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That foreign films still get nominated for Best Picture even though they have a separate category too? And there are many people who were not happy with the Best Animated Feature category (when it was announced) for specifically the reasons we are arguing about- that it might deny the chance for an animated film to ever win Best Picture even though it might be more critically acclaimed than all the pictures nominated. This isn't a suddenly new thing.
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Conti, I hadn't thought of that. I guess it might damage their 'mystique' a bit but surely they could stick it in as one of those cut-price Oscars that get awarded by Salma Hayek the night before.
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Therefore, it is a good idea. Check and mate.
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By all appearances, it was a big dinner party. I think the Golden Globe ceremonies echo the old Oscar presentations. Which I think were cool. Besides, with the opportunity of alcoholic libations, it would increase the possibility of hilarious acceptance speeches.
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...I bury those cock-a-roaches.
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These guys are fucking idiots. Now winning a Best Picture nomination is not going to mean the same thing - they have effectively devalued it. Besides, it's hard enough finding FIVE fucking decent films these days! By saying that a comedy might slip in there now, or say a superhero flick, they are basically admitting that they have lowered the bar in order to get fucking ratings for the fucking TV show. That's all this is about. This is just so fucking stupid. I'm going to predict right now that it will either end up not happening or only happening this one year.
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get him every year...
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The members of the Academy don't like movies like we do. They have other stuff to do. So when they get that glut in their malibox of all those DVDs they don't plough through and watch them all. They get around to it eventually, probably only seeing some or most of them AFTER the Oscar ceremony. So that's why people often win the year after their great performaces. For example. Moulin Rouge and Nicole Kidman could/should have won Oscars in 2002. But instead Chicago won the Oscar the next year. They gave it to the next (undeserving) musical because they missed the musical that should have won, and Nicole ended up winning for wearing a nose in The Hours. They have a delayed reaction.
So this year. Watchmen and UP will get nominated in the place of The Dark Knight and Wall-E. I'm willing to bet that many members of the Academy who have now gone through all of last years movies now realize that The Dark Knight and Wall-E were the best two movies last year and that they were jackasses for not even nominating them. They probably saw some others they liked better than their 5 nominees since the ceremony too. So how to fix it? They reward movies like them in the future. Maybe Twilight will get nominated in the place of Let the Right One In. Makes no sense to normal people but if you look back you can see they've been doing that for years.
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If you don't like the Oscars, then don't fucking watch them. How's that for a solution?
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Is when people say ""Who gives a fuck about category X? Just do the best awards."
Screenwriters, DPs, Editor, Sound Editor, Art Directors, etc. might not be big names, but I usually find that they are more often responsible for how much I like a film than the actors. Anything Paul Schrader wrote in the 70s - I am there. I think Dede Allen was a bigger reason I liked Bonnie and Clyde and Little Big Man than anything else; Walter Murch's sound editing on The Conversation and Apocalypse Now is essential to those films success; and don't get me started on Dick Sylbert's art designs, Roger Deakin's camera work or Edith Head's costume designs.
I don't give a shit if people in the middle of America give a shit about Best Editor or Cinematography and the Network thinks it is ratings poison, the Academy should honor those who made a contribution to the film. If regular people don't like it - tough shit. Learn more about the film businesss. Fucking Offensive Linemen aren't nearly as glamorous as Running Backs or QBs, but they still get a damn Super Bowl ring and a trip to the Pro Bowl like everyone else.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:03:07 PM CDT
I don't think Foreign Films should be eligable either.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
You want your own category? Stay the fuck out of Best Pic than. But....there's been what-- 4 foreign films nominated for Best Pic in the past 80 years? Give it 80 more and we'll see if Pixar gets there.
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tits.
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I spelled a bunch of things wrong. I got too excited. sorry. :(
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Jun 24, 2009 3:05:41 PM CDT
CherryValance -- You actually believe Watchman + Up...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...will be nominated for Best Picture? Fuck. I pray you're in some post anal sex euphoric haze right now.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:06:54 PM CDT
CherryValance -- I was calling myself illiterate.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I misspelled "eligable". One thing I would never do is slam someone for typos. Thats just weak.
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If Salma presented me with an Oscar my three minute acceptance speech would be spent groping her tits.
'I owe it all to these puppies here...god they're lovely..' -
seriously. I even thought that was possible when there were only supposed to be 5 nominees. Now I think they will make it. For Watchmen, I think it just depends on when they get the DVD out. The earlier the better.
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Documentary's aren't eligible for Best Picture, neither should Best Foreign Language or Best Animated be.
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I guess you can thank all those fools who were complaining that The Dark Knight didn't get nominated last year. Regardless- it will still only be a two movie race ( it always is )...
Or mabe this was done for Harvey- Since he's broke now- he can make one movie a year and concentrate on that flick to steal the Oscar next year ( hey..it worked for him in the past ) -
...or get their categories fucking cut, and THAT would justify 10 nominees. Maybe thats where its headed. In that case, Pixar will never have a fucking chance. The Academy members would sooner give it to a documentary no one saw.
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20% +1 votes, one could now be able to be declared Best Picture with 10% +1.It would be nice if this means smaller films will have a better chance of being recognized but I'm a cynical bastard. All I see is the opportunity for more lobbying of the Academy members by the big studios for their big-budget box-office successes. Besides, it seems every year there are one or two movies in the BP category that don't have much chance of winning. Now they are giving nominations to an additional 5 films that will have even less chance.
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Online votes for viewer favorite next as well.
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I mean, duh.
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Sure, let's get rid of it. The eligibility rules for nominating are fucking stupid. One entry per country? Give me a break.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:20:55 PM CDT
"Maybe Twilight will get nominated in the place of Let the Right
by big jim
I bet the new Twilight movie will be nominated for Best Picture. Not because of LTROI but because it will get all those tweens who made Twilight the #1 movie at the MTV movie awards to watch the Oscars. That's why they are doing this. To give nominations to popular movies that have no chance of otherwise being nominated, let alone winning, so that their fans will watch.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:21:03 PM CDT
If they do online votes, Yao Ming will win best pic every year.
by azultool
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...just like 5. What's the point?
Some years there will be more than 10 great films. Some years - most years - there will be fewer than 5.
Here's a thought: why not decide how many Best Picture nominees there'll be in a given year based on how many worthy films there are in that given year. The Academy is taking it upon itself to make these qualitative decisions anyway. Then they box themselves in by saying there can only be five. Well, now they're saying there HAVE to be ten and most years that will be a stretch and very questionable films are going to be in the running each and every year.
C'mon, Academy. You call the shots here. If there are 13 great films then so be it -- have 13 Best Picture nominees. If (and I believe this is WAY more likely) there are only 7 or 6 or 3 in a given year. Well -- those are your nominees.
Face it, Academy, the years in which there have been 10 GREAT English-language films -- well, I'm afraid they have been (and will continue to be) few and far between. -
was actually good; that it is somehow worthy of their praise and devotion. It's a sad state of affairs.
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USA v Spain just wrapped and it is historic!
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Think about it, wouldn't that be something for 3 hours. I wouldn't be surprised if Chicken Little hosted one year in the not too distant future.
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Big Jim also has a great point. This move both cheapens the accomplishment of being nominated and lowers the bar for winning. What's next? Letting viewers call in and vote on their cell phones, and revealing the winner on the next night's broadcast?
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That's a kind of crummy twist--hate to see them go into the final without everyone on board. maybe it will motivate them somehow. I really didn't think they would do it, certainly not scoring more than once, so this is a great result.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:33:41 PM CDT
Jugdish, only douche talkbackers don't like Dark Knight
by mattmanreturns
There's very few people in the real world who didn't like it.
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Nope. But they'll remember Dark Knight. It's the old "A Beautiful Mind" vs. "Fellowship of the Ring" argument, and it holds true.
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it's still the fucking Academy picking the movies! The sme people that chose Forest Gump over Pulp Fiction. The same people that snubbed Bill Murray for best actor in Rushmore, and yes, the same people that picked Crash as Best Picture over...well, anything else. They're still not going to pick the best movie of the year to even be nominated because it's not milquetoast enough. Its going to be another 5 bloated melodramas and/or period pieces. You can have an extra 25 nominations and they'll still gloss over amazing films like Let The Right One In. Fuck the Academy.
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It's called boxofficemojo.com which features exit polls and box office statistics.
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...I will say Boyle should have instead won Picture and Director for Millions, a far superior film.
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And its not actually him doing the polling....its the head of his dick.
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If you got nervous your wife would spot your rising semi, thats your fucking problem.
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God knows Michael Bay deserves one of those little statues.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:44:47 PM CDT
Finally Megan Fox can get his Best Supporting Actor Oscar.
by stuntcock mike
Sausage and Bean award.
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Public Enemies is gonna get nommed for sure. Praise Bale.
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lets worry about the feelings of the 5 other crappy nominees.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:47:05 PM CDT
CherryValance -- the best thing you've said all month.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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that's all.
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I said "few people" didn't like it, I didn't say everyone liked it, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. By few people, I mean relatively few in contrast with the majority that liked the film. If you didn't like it, that's fine, but don't pretend that it's not a highly regarded film, because it is. Hell, I'm one of the freaks that didn't like Spider-Man, but I can concede that most people did. But if I go around telling people it's a piece of shit and they're stupid for liking it, I am nothing more than a douche troll.
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Alexis Arquette wins it for Trans-America 2.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:48:43 PM CDT
I doubt there will be 10 movies even worth seeing this year
by blackmantis
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but im too lazy to read through all this:
Let an animated film go for best animated film OR for best picture. But not both. I think a foreign film has to submit for either best foreign or best picture.
The hubbub around this kind of thing started years ago when Desperate Housewives went in as a comedy instead of a drama and everyone bitched that, at 60 minutes, it was a drama, and vice versa when "Boston Legal" entered for drama that year.
But letting Up go for best ani and best picture just because it's good? FORGET IT! And while we're at it, Transformers should go for best animated too. Why not? There's wall-to-wall CGI characters in there, just like Up, Kung Fu Panda or any of the 93274 CGI penguin movies that came out making me want to hire one of David Carradine's Lady Boy friends to tie me up. -
Jun 24, 2009 3:51:03 PM CDT
It's official...the Oscars have less credibility than the Golden
by 9000rpm
Enough slumming. After last year's truly putrid nominees (except Frost/Nixon) and the down on the knees blowjob to Bollywood for Slumdog Shit Film, there's no longer any question, the Oscars are as meaningful as MTV's Best Onscreen Kiss award. From now on, if a film's nominated, I skip it (except for Avatar, which will of course be the best film of the year AND be nominated AND win every category it's nominated in). All foreigners who even attempt to make movies should be ass raped (except James Cameron, of course, who WILL be nominated for Best Director next year, who will WIN Best Director next year, and who will win every film honor that can be bestowed on a living OR dead human being).
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Documentaries are actually eligible for Best Film - when Hoop Dreams came out there was a lot of talk that it would be nominated.
As for should they (and Animated an Foreign Film) being eligible for Best Film, I have no problem with that. The reason have their own categories to begin with is so they can be recognized for the unique qualities they possess as an art form - you can't say that a documentary doesn't have unique features from most fiction films, same with animated films. Plus, like foreign films, they all are usually ignored and passed over by the Academy when it comes to best picture nominations. The reason probably being that the Academy is made up of mostly Americans and actors: American people aren't very likely to not favor an non-American film, or at least an English language film, and actors are not going to give a nomination to a film that either has none-actors (documentaries) or only uses actors' voices (animated).
And I have no problem with them being eligible for best picture and still have their own categories. Not all films are documentaries, animated or in a foreign language, but all documentaries, animated films and foreign films are still films. The best player in baseball isn't necessarily a pitcher, but the best pitcher can be the best player, hence why we have MVP and Cy Young awards. Honoring them in one category shouldn't exclude them from another. -
9 out of 10 vaginas loved Dark Knight.
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Most underrated sci-fi film ever.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:55:32 PM CDT
Do people really not think there were ten good movies last year?
by mraig
1. Synecdoche New York
2. Wall E
3. Rachel Getting Married
4. Gran Torino
5. Revolutionary Road
6. The Wrestler
7. The Reader
8. Frost/Nixon
9. Milk
10. Slumdog Millionaire
If you disagree with any of those, feel free to substitute Dark Knight. See? And I didn't even have to use Benjamin Button. -
Slumdog is crap? C'mon.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:56:37 PM CDT
and they should pick five from the first half of the year
by slappy jones
and five from the second half so the great films that are released early and forgotten about awards season get a shot
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Of course there hasn't been anything really great yet. The studios hold back the best stuff on purpose and release it in December so it will still be fresh in Oscar voters' minds. Summer is for popcorn movies, one or two of which are maybe good enough to get an Oscar nod (Up this year for sure).
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I got a little overzealous attacking the "This is for all you Douche Bag Dark Knight Fans" comment. Not all Dark Knight haters are douches, it's just the ones that attack people who like the film who are (which you often find on these talkbacks). So, apologies to anyone who didn't like Dark Knight but isn't actually a douche.
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UGGGHHH, DROPING LOADS ON RYAN REYNOLDS' WIFE!!!
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The other 9 didn't know what is was. I liked it though. Reign of Fire was shit. They had dragons, they had tanks, and they had Christian Bale, and they somehow fucked that up?
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Snow White, The Sound of Music, On the Waterfront, How Green Was My Valley. You could pretty much say that about any movie, you gotta do better then that. And Slumdog was hands down better then Frost/Nixon, who taught us that Nixon was not a nice man. Who new?
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God Damn does that thing make you swell. PURE HUMAN DRAMA. The cinema of life. There is no other truth.
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Whoopdy fuckin doo
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See here: http://tinyurl.com/newcky
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shit
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The academy need only to look at the arguement against expanding the NCAA March Madness tournament from 64 teams to 128. Stupid idea. What's the point? Nobody wants it except the 2nd tier players in the game who won't win anyway. It will just end up watering down the Oscar trademark to the point where nobody pays any attention. Elastigirl: Everybody is special! Dash: Which is another way of saying nobody is.
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The Oscars are just trying to cling to relavency in the ever evolving world of mixed media/entertainment/arts/digital/graphical/performance arts! Shit I am a visionary from the 22nd century!!!
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Because that would require sitting through the 3 1/2 or 4-hour telecast and staying awake until the very end to find out who wins Best Picture. If little kids are excited that Star Trek or Up get nominated for BP, they ain't seeing the results on TV, they're hearing about it the next morning at breakfast.
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But it was manipulative. I think you must be under 21, with a lot to learn. OUT!
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The 10th turned out to be a man. Not my finest hour. (I guess it was a warning sign).
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Probably looks a little something like this...... Click to enlarge. http://tinyurl.com/lfmwrh
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..is it weakens the weight of the films that get nominated.
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And boy do I regret it. Ughh. Curiosity got the better of me.
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Jun 24, 2009 4:31:45 PM CDT
Look for the show to be over at 3 in the morning!
by hollywoodhellraiser
Who gives a fuck!
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Hmm, I don't want to see a film win Best Documentary and also win Best Film.
That's double dipping. It's like some positive discrimination move where the poor little Docu / Animated / Foreign Language 'minority' film gets over represented by having two categories to take home gold.
Similar debate with that Paralympic athlete with 'magic legs' who took home the 100m gold and now wants to enter the regular olympics so he can take that 100m gold too. Greedy legless bastard. -
Letterman hosted in 1995
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Takes some of the presitige out of the nomination (if you even want to call it that.) I am not a fan of this one bit.
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Jun 24, 2009 4:41:20 PM CDT
Finally admit the mistake of changin WATCHMEN ending?
by zombieheathledger
I mean, WATCHMEN was panned by half of the critics, not to the lengths of TRANSFORMERS 2, but WATCHMEN was not well received universally by all critics, let's admit it got at least "mixed reviews." The word of mouth by non-geeks was that it was "ponderous" to say the least. It underperformed at the box office. There are those speculating that at even with ten Oscar nominees, WATCHMEN shouldn't be included. So can we now admit that they should've went with the tried and time tested, crazy awesome ending of the comic? It couldn't have done any worse than what they went with instead. Plus, all the people who loved CLOVERFIELD would've paid to go see WATCHMEN just for the new monster, the giant squid, and that would've meant higher grosses just right there. We would still be talking about the WATCHMEN squid today in talkbacks, but no one, NO ONE, ever talks about the generic big, blue, "Heroes" explosion ending. No one.
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By doing this, it's going to be pretty easy to decipher the 5 tag along nominees as the directors for those films will not be nominated since almost every year the director/picture noms are almost identical.
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Maybe, I don't know...pick those who DESERVE it rather than saying "Well, we've got Nicholson, DeNiro, and Pacino...we need 7 more guys. C'mon, dammit, BRAINSTORM!"If there's a good year, by all means nominate 10, or 20 if they deserve the honor. If it's a typical year, then 5 nominees is usually 2 too many.
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You're clearly right, Subtitles, but an Oscar is an Oscar.
The 'worth' of the 'category' shouldn't be an issue. Like a gold medal at the olympics. It's still the pinnacle of achievement.
If you were the creator of MAN ON WIRE wouldn't you be proud to win the Best Documentary - not bitter that you weren't eligible to 'also' enter another category and potentially win that too? (while also depriving the 'regular' movies a chance to take home a trophy). -
...Elisha Cuthbert...to touch my penis.
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And it will still decline in ratings because less and less people care about this bloated bullshit every year.
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With 10 nominees, this will also tarnish the so-called 'prestige' of being awarded a Best Picture nom. As if it wasn't already a problem, this will give many marginal movies the 'Academy Award nominee' credit. It starts to put it in the realm of the People's Choice Awards or something...
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My point is, if MAN ON WIRE won Best Picture then we would never have known what the best non-documentary movie of last year was.
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Yeah, but how many other categories do Docs, Animated and Foreign Film's legitimately compete it. It's not like you are going to get 4 Best actor nods in an animated or documentary, or best cinematography, art direction, costumes or makeup in an animated film or best Special FX, Sound and Sound FX in a documentary. So them winning best documentary and best picture would be like Forest Gump winning best actor and best picture, or even more aptly s special FX movie winning best FX and best picture.
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i love it how jokey the oscars appear when looking back on past years and seeing the winners. "how green was my valley" for 1941? really? lol fucking dumbshits. no one remembers that. everyone remembers citizen kane. oliver! for 1968? wow. no 2001 or once upon a time in the west? also 1979 is funny since kramer vs. kramer won. i'm happy that if further invalidates the oscars and i hope they actually continue picking crappy winners. I also love how it was so anglocentric while so many greats came out from other countries and totally shat over whatever the winners were of the day. awesome.
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But if we end up with a list of 10 small semi-independent period dramas I'm gonna cry
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"Best Picture to stand for Best Non-Documentary, Non-Foreign Picture With Actual Persons Acting In It." lol
Yes! That's exactly what it should stand for, perhaps it needs to be a bit catchier though. Best Dramatic Picture maybe?
Obviously Best Docu is never going to be eligible for Acting categories but all others - why not? I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't be able to recieve noms for Editing, Directing, Sound etc. The editing in Docu's is often (to my eyes at least) superior to regular feature films. -
Returning as host would be ideal. Its a good year for him.
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It was directed by John Ford, who was coming off of an incredible string of movies (supposedly caused by him being in an affair with Katherine Hepburn) starting in 1939: Stagecoach, Young Mr. Lincoln, Drums Along the Mohawk, Grapes of Wrath, The Long Voyage Home, Tobacco Road and then, finally, How Green Was My Valley. In fact, Orson Welles himself has said he can think of no director who produced that many good movies in such a short span. So I can see how the Academy would be bias towards his work.
Plus, the other nominees that here for Best Picture included Citizen Kane, The Little Foxes, Sgt. York, Suspicion and The Maltese Falcon. So I can understand the Academy, facing so many great movies that year, making the wrong decision in hindsight.
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And EVERY film can be an "Acadamy Award Nominated Film!" Hooray!
Coming this summer to DVD, the Acadamy Award Nominated "G-Force." -
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaa
Oh my sides.
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The easiest way to improve the Academy Awards is to ban thank you's.
Reading two dozen names out like a fucking grocery list is not good viewing.
'I want to thank every one who worked on this movie with me'... There, everyone's been thanked, no one left out. How fucking hard to say is that. -
Ok, maybe a Doc can get nominated for other categories, but it isn't very likely. Which Doc is going to have as good as cinematography as Fargo or There Will Be Blood? Very few. And what type of Sound design or FX will be in a documentary? Or what about Art Direction, Make-Up and Costumes? Hell, 80% of all available awards are gone. Same thing with animated.
To me the Best Documentary Award goes to the film that shows the best qualities of a documentary - not necessarily the best qualities of a film. Same thing with Animation, you are honoring the art of animation not necessarily the best film that is also animated.
Of course, being the lazy people they are, they usually associate one thing for the other. Just like how whenever a picture whens best picture it also seems to rack up the majority of awards it was nominated in (maybe it was best picture not because it had the best editing, cinematography, art direction, etc, but because it had the second or third best in those categories and it added up in the end as making it the best. To much thinking for that one? Ok, we'll just give it all the awards). -
Yup. Desperate gimmick for hard times. Still, now maybe "Basterds" might get a nom. Or "Year One". Ha.
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You can read Harry's review of HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY where he reminisces for four pages about spending long summers in a particularly green valley - giving him a unique insight into the said movie.
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HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY? A trick question. The fucker was in b&w.
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Subtitles, yes they're an industry event - but they're also a showpiece. Come on dude, millions around the world tune in, you know that. Of course they need to be viewer friendly.
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Regardless of whether it's a doc, an animated film or a foreign (language) film. I don't see how "double dipping" is a bad thing. A film can't be the best Animated Film AND the Best Picture at the same time?
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So yeah try to boost ratings by making it longer and more boring. Great job.
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Read the names of people he doesn't want to thank? Hell, if I ever won one I would pull out my "Fuck You" list.
Yeah, this is to Jenny, my ex-girlfriend who cheated on me and then left me for a guitarist in a "rock band" and told me when she left that I would amount to nothing. Well guess what bitch, I've got an oscar and tonight I am going to be doing lines off of Anne Hathaway's ass while Natalie Portman blows me in the back of a limo, while you will be at home watching your "rockstar" boyfriend play guitar hero and drink beer with his buddies. I wouldn't be here without you!" -
Jun 24, 2009 5:30:31 PM CDT
As long as it's got Hugh Jackman singin' and dancin'
by zombieheathledger
count me in! New York! New York! It's a helluva towwwwnn!
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Both of your post made me laugh Cobra. Especially the idea of Harry's review.
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Et tu RobertBaron? I feel like the dude in 12 ANGRY MEN.
My simple point remains that if a documentary won Best Picture we would be denied the knowledge of what the best 'regular' movie that year was.
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The Oscars became transparent agent-driven bullsh*t from the 1990s on. Come on. Rain Man? Forrest Gump? Dances With Wolves? Silence of the Lambs? Shakespeare in Love? Titanic? ETC ... Hello! These are some serious bullsh*t films. Who cares how many films are nominated? It's just a night for the industry to wag its dick around.
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Hehe. They had 'gown cam' or something like that at last year's red carpet gliding up the actressess bods.
They are a showcase, not just for the industry but for the nominees. I don't think they'll ever go back to being held behind closed doors. -
Jun 24, 2009 5:44:49 PM CDT
Cobra kai- the best picture category should be renamed then
by robertbaron
to The Best Live Action Feature That Used Pre-Existing Mostly English Words To Tell Its Story.
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Subtitles, yeah it is moot.
Damn! Moot's a cool word. I'm gonna use that more...
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That is actually pretty typical of them to "reward" him with his golden dildo after a string of best hits and totally forget about that citizen kane flop, again it just reveals the oscars that it's all about da benjamins! as a celebrity get together and suckoff session. As for John Ford, guys like Orson Welles and Sergio Leone might of idolized them but in turn made much better movies without that romanticizing of the west snoozefests. He wouldn't be fit to lick the fecal remnants from their hairy anuses.
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Fuck, they should have 10 Best Score nominees like they did in the mid-90s (Dramatic & Musical/Comedy). You know I'm right.
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See the WSJ's article on this:
http://tiny.cc/qaAU6
Also, you can't solve the problem of 'they didn't nominate a worthy film!' by lengthening the slate of nominees: by going to n nominees you're drawing the line for nomination at 1/n level of support. There's almost always going to be a filn just on the other side of that line, i.e., with 1/(n+1) support. The alleged injustice next year won't be that TDK didn't get nom'd when,say, The Reader did, it'll be that Iron Man didn't when The Visitor or Frozen River or in Bruges did. -
This is all about money that's all. Studios want to promote a movie as being "nominated for Best Picture." That brings more than a little coin by the time the DVD is out.
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Yeah, when he's not involved with Hollywood.
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EVERYONE'S A WINNER!
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It goes "I mistakenly rented Schindler's List as a porno, oh, well, at least it had a shower scene." C'mon that takes huevos grande.
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Best Anal DP starlett: Julia Roberts.
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If you think about the Golden Globes already do 10 nominations with their comedy and drama best pictures so it's not that much of a stretch...and I think they chose what will be one of the best years in film this decade (as opposed to the worst which was last year).
I can already pick 10 worthy contenders:
1. The Road (John Hillcoat)
2. Nine (Rob Marshall)
3. Public Enemies (Michael Mann)
4. A Serious Man (Coens)
5. Tree of Life (Terrence Malick)
6. The Informant (Soderbergh)
7. Shutter Island (Scorsese)
8. Avatar (James Cameron)
9. Invictus (Clint Eastwood)
10. That unknown movie that pops up from nowhere and is movie gold.
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...when they have LESS great films. Seriously...the last few years have been filled with BAD films and actors that were nominated for purely POLITICAL or SOCIAL reasons. The best films and actors are often forgotten or neglected. The Oscars have long outlived their usefulness. We need to see it for what it is: An attempt by the movie industry to MAKE MONEY from advertising their films (for free), congratulate one another for a job well done (*cough cough) and allow the "winners" to share their political views (as if their films weren't "preachy" enough).
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LOST IN TRANSLATION, MILK, JUNO, GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK, SIDEWAYS, ERIN BROCKOVICH, CHOCOLAT, AS GOOD AS IT GETS, BABE, BUGSY and GHOST need to get nominated for BEST PICTURE?!? Sure, they are good movies (most of them). But BEST PICTURE OF THE YEAR?!? Holy cow! Some years are pretty thin in "greatness."
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Yes Welles and Leone had a number of masterpieces, but they produced a much smaller quantity of films than Ford did.
And they also worked off what he did first...as Isaac Newton once said, you work on the shoulder of giants. Ford was a giant. If it wasn't for him, they might not have been able to reach as high as they did (same with Kurasawa and Paul Schrader).
Plus I will put Searchers against anything, and I mean anything, that Leone did. We may all love Leone's anti-heroes, but none of his films deals with anywhere near the depth of characters or has as complex themes as the Searchers did. I'm not saying the Searchers is better, but it is just as damn good as anything Leone did, just not as "cool".
As for criticizing the Academy Award that year, how often do we really make the right choice, especially when dealing with something as groundbreaking as film? 1941 was a incredible banner year for film, and had many hard choices, so I don't blame them for doing what many people do when they face a hard choice, they went with a known commodity. John Ford was a proven great director and had already made a great film, Citizen Kane was either a new masterpiece or just all flash and be revealed as the Emperor's New Clothes. That is why I always think that maybe they should wait two-or-three years before selecting the Academy Award, it lets you have time to process whether the film is really good or not. Of course, that will never happen.
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Why? Just 'cause.
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More movies are out then ever, so it makes sense to increase the number of nominated films! Right on!
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to have seen those movies already!
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Ha, ha, ha, the Oscars. Oh how they suck, and how!
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I love Miller's Crossing.
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It means films like City of God, The Diving Bell & the Butterfly and The Dark Knight are less likely to get snubbed.
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screenplays, and sound.
But fuck the makeup category.
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Apparently you guys had noooooooooo problems with Shakespeare in Love winning or Garbage like Chicago. Gimme a break
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"and fianlly, id like to take a moment for my parents, who never said i would amount to anything...well FUCK YOU!!!! I'm KING OF THE WORLD!!!now where are the whores?"
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I am nuts...about Welles and Leone. Quantity doesn't mean better, ask Kubrick. As for Isaac Newton's words, he forgot to mention that all artists are influenced by someone else but it's how they mold it to their own vision which is what counts. It reminds me of those critics of James Cameron complaining that The Terminator wasn't even his idea but an Outer Limits episode, hilarious. I personally don't really give a shit about Ford's complex themes nor his subject matter of the rosy west. I saw The Searchers, i understand how it's so widely regarded but i simply DO. NOT. CARE. FOR. IT. I bet you have some widely regarded movies you don';t give two bits about either. They are snoozfests. As for the academy not just 1941 but a host of more years to follow.
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Why not twenty? Or even thirty? Yeah. They may have done that decades ago but there was enough good movies to be in the top ten. Slim pickings nowdays. Oscars are getting desperate.
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Why not twenty? Or even thirty? Yeah. They may have done that decades ago but there was enough good movies to be in the top ten. Slim pickings nowdays. Oscars are getting desperate.
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Damn.
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...shit. If anything, the Oscars ought to take a page from the Golden Globes and have two awards- action/drama and comedy/musical.
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since it will most likely be the box office champ this year. Too bad it fuckin' sucks.
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appararently
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But then get rid of Best Animated and Best Foreign, and start nominating them against the usual shit. That'll see the occassional animated gem getting real recognition, and cut out the fat of stuff nominating Ice Age and Jimmy Neutron. But of course they won't do that, they'll just nominate 5 popular films that have no chance at winning as a way to bring in viewers. Oscars via MTV movie awards.
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Jun 24, 2009 8:51:10 PM CDT
gamus -- you pick the nominees before seeing the films?!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Uhhhhhhhh.......LIKE TOTALLY FUCKIN' RETARDO = YOU!!!!
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Jun 24, 2009 8:54:14 PM CDT
SECRET OF NIMH COULD HAVE BEAT GANDHI IN '82...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
.....so fuck you. If Nimh didn't have a shot-- no fucking cartoon should ever have a shot. Ever.
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Hollywood to start pumping out twice as many biopics
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up for contention, so tune in! Keep in mind, we'll still go with the movie featuring the gay mentally handicapped main character with a horribly depressing ending, the movie that you wouldn't sit through if someone paid you to, but hey, take a chance!
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Considering how shitty this year has been for movies, where the hell are they going to find 10 'best' nominees? Star Trek will be declared winner against GI Joe, TF2, Terminator 3, and the Hannah Montana Movie. I can't even think of more movies that came out this year, let alone anything worth 'best picture'.
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Jun 24, 2009 9:11:01 PM CDT
if films should be able to double-dip, as advocated
by jackknifed_juggernaut
by some, then what's the fucking point in having the individual categories? in the case of animated features, when do you break the threshold of being "merely" the best animated film to being best picture? shit should go either one way or the other.
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So you have Ten Nominees for best picture. In the same respect then, shouldn't the directors be nominated equally?
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... and now the academy expects them to watch 10? Bullshit.
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They can have 100 nominees for Best Picture. The "winner" will still be some Holocaust-related thing, or something gay. That's all the Oscars know to give trophies to.
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Best Cleavage Award (5 nominees, 10 winners)
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Oh well, maybe I'll still get nominated.
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nothing screams "Oscar Bait" like a slow, gimpy bastard.
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Oscar winner for Best Sitcom, Coming this fall to FOX
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Especially since that gay movie Brokeback Mountain won!
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Southern, Stupid, and 'Splodin. You inbred peckerwood.
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Anything with Larry The Cable Guy. Cuz that thar is entertainment.
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Along with Terminator 4, Avatar, Last Airbender, Night at the Museum 2, X-Men Origins Wolverine...
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A film about about a gay, retarded, slave (fuck, make him an alcoholic also).Imagine: Amistad meets Brokeback Mountain meets Rainman meets Affliction.And, I know some of those didn't win shit, but just imagine the movie.
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Jun 24, 2009 9:53:46 PM CDT
unless the yet-to-be-released films of '09 come with
by jackknifed_juggernaut
the kick-assery, picking 5 nominees will prove to be a chore, let alone 10. because as of right now, '09s shit is weak. as fuck.
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Oh shit, let me take off my pants....ohhhhh yes, 10 Oscars..ohhhhh, ohhh yes..*FAP*, *FAP*, *FAP*,...ohhhhhh, ohhhh 10 Oscars.....ohhhh yes...*FAP*, *FAP*, *FAP*,.....ohhh, ohh, OHHHH, ARRHGHGHHHHHHHGRHEKDH, ....ahhhhhh.
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Reno - stop going to see movies that are Jewy or Gay or Black or Chinky or Wop-ish or Vagina-ish or Democraty or int-I-lectual or anti-Bush or any of those fuckers where you gotta' read them words on the screen that flash by too fast, I hate that... And don't see any movies MADE by said mudpeople. Then see how your rental choices narrow down. Pretty soon you'll just be watching an endless loop of The Blue Collar Comedy Tour, until you decide to kill yourself. But have the integrity of your ignorance, stand by it. Because I hate to break it to you, you backwards motherfucker, but all your entertainment is made by Jews and queers and Liberals and people whose names end in a vowel, and you can kiss their ass.
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Just take a look at the 00's Oscar Winners, really crappy decade. Crash? Gladiator? Chicago? A Beautiful Mind? Million Dollar Baby? The Departed? Good movies, but are there any classics this decade????? And I still havent forgiven the Oscars for Shakespeare of Private Ryan!
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Jun 24, 2009 10:16:47 PM CDT
Classic-er of this decade: Let the Right One In
by jackknifed_juggernaut
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Movies today suck, doesn't mean the Oscars don't matter anymore - it just means they have much less quality product to choose from. That's why it makes such great sense to increase the Best Picture category to 10 films! Fuckin' idiots.
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or Ricky Gervais
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I believe problem in recent times has been not strong enough 5 movies to nominate. Slumdog ruled last year, before that TWBB and NCFOM. What we need is better quality of movies, where competition is so intense that no one can predict which one is going to win.Well, that happens now also, but is more on lines of 'will the Academy fuck it upagain?' And from looks of it, they're fucking it up well in advance.
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Jun 24, 2009 11:12:38 PM CDT
It won't mean anything to be nominated anymore
by my friends call me killjoy
If they go to 10 films, they need to eliminate the animated, documentary, and foreign film categories. The 10 best films of the year...period.
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Every year there are a bunch of papers, magazines, organizations, that put out Top Ten lists and no one complains. Even Harry does it. So why do you guys think there aren't enough movies to pick from?
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You heard it here first.
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It'll mean a hell of alot to marketing.
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...and is more of a knee-jerk reaction to The Dark Knight and Wall*E getting snubbed last year. chances are this next awards season they'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel to fill 10
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I swear, some of ya'll aren't happy unless you're miserable. Always complaining about everything, and the same here. The only thing I see by expanding the Best Picture nominees to ten is improvement. What, if this had been in effect last year you'd most likely get a nom for THE DARK KNIGHT, WALL-E, REVOLUTIONARY ROAD, and maybe a WALTZ WITH BASHIR. How is that bad? The result would be no different (SLUMDOG would have still won), except now you have more genre-type films finally getting recognized; films that never get the recognition they deserve because the Academy only nominates a certain type of film. Hell, this year it might even mean that a cinematic genius like Hayao Miyazaki can finally be recognized for PONYO. To me, that's a win-win. Is it about ratings? Yes, but I'm not looking at what the motive behind it is; instead, I'm looking at the end result. Smaller films that cater to more niche audiences get the light of day. A nomination for a film like WALTZ WITH BASHIR will not only get these films the critical accolades they deserve, but will put them in more theaters and the typical Oscar box office boost will put more money into the hands of those filmmakers not with the name Michael Bay. That's good, right?
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Jun 25, 2009 12:14:13 AM CDT
if all the movies are about abused women boxers watch out!
by lockesbrokenleg
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There's NO WAY that 'Jai Ho' should've won for best song!!! 'O Saya' was clearly FAR BETTER!!! A. R. Rahman WAS ROBBED!!!
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Jun 25, 2009 12:22:46 AM CDT
The statuette should be of an Oscar blowing itself.
by det. john kimble
This is pointeless money gribbung.
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Out of all that shit CRASH wins?
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Full sweep for all production awards!!! I call 10 Oscars including Best Film! UP! will also be nominated for best film and it'll be about damn time! Pixar's only rivals are potentially the Japanese. One being Miyazaki, but unfortunately Ponyo won't be that film. And Otomo needs to get off his ass and make Steamboy 2! It's a travesty that Steamboy wasn't nominated last time! Maybe Satoshi Kon? But I've no idea what he's up to... anyway, 'Millenium Actress' was hands down the best animated film out that year, same for 'Tokyo Godfathers'!!! Pixar's all well and good, but ignoring good anime that everyone can agree on and nominating Dreamwork's crap has no fucking room for excuses!
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Overhyped piece of shit.
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Award. After talking at length with a Stunt Man who has done 30 some odd films, and seeing how involved he was in the film I watched them make, and relizing how neglected they are in regards to award recognition, as in an award cerimony that's watched by Average Joe America. I'm actually offended that there's no Oscar Nomination/Recognition category for these people.
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Jun 25, 2009 1:13:34 AM CDT
Horrible idea unless they include documentaries, animated and fo
by rev. slappy
A better idea would be to reveal what came in second and how many votes each nominee got.
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Up should get nominated. So should Ponyo On A Cliff By The Sea.
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although I don't think he'll accept.
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Best reboot of an old movie. Best movie based on a TV show. Most Overrated Pixar movie of the Year.
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The motion is passed.
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Only one film has won Best Picture have dealt with the Holocaust - Schindler's List (The Pianist won for Best Director not picture) Only one out of the 62 Academy Award ceremonies since the end of WWII. And only tjree films dealing with Jews have won it if you add Gentleman's Agreement and Driving Miss Daisy (which is far from just a Jewish movie).
As for Gay people, some have been nominated - Milk, Philadelphia, Dog Day Afternoon, Brokeback Mountain - but none have won Best Picture, unless you want to read Midnight Cowboy as a gay movie (even though the gay director Schlesinger insisted it wasn't). So making a movie dealing with gays and jews isn't really a goldmine for winning Best Picture.
I would hate to call you a bigoted, anti-semitic homophobe, but I don't know how else to describe you.
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Best Picture over fucking Saving Private Ryan
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there wont be 10 good movies all year
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there wont be 10 good movies all year
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to be snobby.
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1 - There aren't 10 Oscar worthy pictures in one year!
2 - They still have no category at all for stunts
3 - Some catagories like effects, still only have 3 nominees!
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before CGI he did stuff that no one else would do. He even got to act a few times. I still remember his most famous stunt. Burt Reynolds dropped him from the side of a building, and as he was falling backwards instead of freaking out, his albino assassin character fired up at Reynolds trying to finish the job. Then a while later Dar died in what is considered a relatively normal stunt.
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Here's a comment I originally posted at "Hollywood Elsewhere" and will also share here: I just had a GREAT idea... okay, it's a possibly cheesy idea but it'll really play to the cheap seats: 15 minutes into the Oscar broadcast next year, announce the 9th runner up award in the Best Pic category, then 15 minutes later announce the 8th runner up winner, etc. It'll create excitement as the list slowly gets chipped away at. During the last minute or two of the show, there will be only two movies left standing and one wins. Of course, the downside is if popular favorites get the heave-ho early on in the show. But it might not be a problem, as a "Dark Knight" would have definitely remained standing for at least a good portion of the show if the 10-nominations thing was in force last year.
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I loved SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE.
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"Best Cleavage Award (5 nominees, 10 winners)"
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and you know even then that's not enough for the Razzies.
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Go back thru the years and try to pick 10 nominees...you'll be making some stretches.
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name a year. this could be fun
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10 films for best picture? When last year there were only 3 good films in all. Stupid.
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a fox film gets nominated. With the academy Xpanding the list, that is bound to happen. I have heard that one of the strong contenders is the new film from rob Marshall. Stars daniel Day lewis. Its a musical.
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whats the point of having ten pic noms and NOT director noms...the 5 films that have director noms are gonna be the favorites and the other 5 are gonna be also-rans before they even "ran". this should be fixed.
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The Oscars are ridiculously long as it is and they want to make them longer? Count me out. Feh.
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DVR them and fast forward...its really not that hard, besides they arent really for you anyway..they are just letting you see them. they used to not televise them.
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"...anymore - it just means they have much less quality product to choose from. That's why it makes such great sense to increase the Best Picture category to 10 films!"
No, that's why it doesn't make sense. Why, with most movies sucking (as you say), is it a better idea to reward mediocrity with a Best Picture nomination?
Others above have said the number should not be fixed but rather should reflect the quality of films that year. The decision to have 3, 5, 7, 10, 15 or whatever number Best Picture nominees, should come during the short-listing phase. I don't know how they get from 300 or so films a year down to 5, whether it is by vote, by committee, by studio bribery, or some other method. However, if the Academy finds there are 9 or 10 films that are all on a relatively equal level then have 10 nominees that year. If, on the other hand, some year they find there are only 4 or 5 films that truly stand head and shoulders above all other, then nominate only 5, or even 4. Movies should not be nominated simply to fill a slot that was created as part of an arbitrary number. A Best Picture nomination should be an honor that carries some distinction and not something that is simply given as a place-holder. -
I will never watch another film again.
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I was being sarcastic. You left out my last two words: "Fuckin' idiots". I agree with you, completely. I wouldn't be so opposed to them saying the category MAY expand up to 6, 7, even 10 in certain years, but to just double the nominees - when we can barely find five decent films a year - is ridiculous. It's June, halfway through the year, how many "Best Pictures" have you seen? Me: ZERO.
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should've been nominated
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I'm just curious.I've never watched the Oscars for more than 30 minutes. For me it is like watching an Employee of the year banquet of a company I do not work for, and in which I do not know a single person. Although, I can see watching it if you are somehow attached to the properties nominated.
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So why are you posting about it then? And furthermore, why do you hang out at a movie site?? Do you only see movies made by your friends? I don't think so. Dude, go away.
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You know about the concept of Oscar season, right? The reason you haven't seen any Oscar films is because these studios know they're only chance to win an Oscar is to release their movie closer to the end of the year so it's fresh in voter's minds. It sucks but it's true. 10 months of shit and then in the last two months they dumb 30 great films on us at once sometimes only rleasing them in NY and LA on December 31 just to get in under the deadline.
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I hang out at a movie site because I like films, the Oscars really are not about "films", they are about the corporations/individuals that made them, and even at that they provide no insite on the inspiration of the film or the particulars of its making. In fact they do not even give the reasons why a particular film was awarded over other nominated films, if that were the case I'd probably watch to gain insite on the decision process.No...I was just curious as to why people watch them, what is the attraction?
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I did not read it as being sarcastic and thought "fuckin' idiots" was directed at those who have or might disagree with what you wrote.
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Uma.. Oprah. Gold! Letterman's hosting job was so bad it was good. I agree let Letterman host it again, but only if he does a really really crap job!!
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live on television. Then the ratings would skyrocket!
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Jun 25, 2009 11:26:24 AM CDT
And yes...I watch the Oscars every fucking year.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...in its entirety. And I still enjoy the hell out of it. Even if I don't give a fuck who is winning. I still enjoy it. Its good family time.
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this will add maybe 5 minutes to the proceeding...they will show a 30 sec clip from each film...wowsa!
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2009. Good fucking luck.
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Jun 25, 2009 11:51:29 AM CDT
DGDB...Respect. But here is the way I'd make it watchable
by conspiracy
No red carpet, No bad song and dance numbers, no horrible hosts, no close up shots of celebs, no talk about dresses, tuxedos, jewelry. No Auditorium full of people. Instead we get the President of the Academy and some seats. He announces the nominees...and then the winner for a given catagory. Winner comes out, does his thank yous and sits down.THe Academy guy talks for about 5 minutes as to why this film was chosen over the others, with pertinant scenes shown, and then they talk to the person/people just awarded to get their insight on the film and its making. ENd of segment..next award.It would be half the length...and much more entertaining to film fans in my opinion.
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And a song and dance routine for each one. Are they going to nominate 10 films for BP but only 5 in the other categories? If not that would be unjust. If they do it's going to take on at least another 30-45 minutes. Some of us on the East Cost like to sleep and not stay up until 2 am.
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Instead of 10 nominees, how about nominating worthy films and performers people have actually seen. Every year now the films get more obscure and the actors as well. There are plenty of mainstream films that are well-made. With the exception of The Departed, Oscar has gone completely Indie art-house for its nominees since Return of the King. If they want television ratings, they have to change what they nominate. 10 obscure films wont make any difference.
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If they do it would be unjust and if not it would add more time. Long day.
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Jun 25, 2009 12:15:00 PM CDT
I never understand this "Films are more obscure" thing....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Ben Button, Frost/Nixon, Milk, Slumdog.....really? Those are obscure snobby films? Give me a fucking break. Half you motherfuckers crying about how obscure and high falootin the Oscars have become are the same people that rave about how hip you are because you watch the Independent Spirit Awards. Talk about obscure bullshit no one fucking watches. By saying the Oscar Picture nominees are obscure, what you really mean is they are not Summer Blockbusters. I'm all for the big budget spectacles. I see more of those films than anything else...and indy drama award baiting shit bores me to tears. I just think its delusional to consider the Best Picture nominees to be these tiny obscure films no one knows about...its just not true.
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Integrity seems to be in extremely short supply in Hollywood. Jesus Christ, the economy is really this bad? I'm not saying this puts them one step away from the Spike awards, but it definitely removes a bit of the shiny object syndrome studios will have with winning these things. And it comes off as PURELY a cynical financial move, not a move to embrace a wider variety of nominees. I mean come the fuck on, even the WINNERS hardly ever deserve to win, now we're going to have more nominees? What the fuck is this world coming to? Is every goddamn media outlet, blog, news organization, critic, and group like the Academy willing to sell out in one way or another to get a wider audience? In the end, all they're doing is alienating the audience they already have and then trying to appeal to the same broad swath of people who could give two shits to begin with, are fickle, and won't stick around long enough to put them into the black. I'm continually amazed at this... media is truly eating itself alive, chasing it's own ass for an audience. Actually, if you think about it, there's going to be lots of little niches opening up for other companies/content producers to fill a gap and make some money.
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skip the song and dance...yeah they should add 5 more for director at least..the 5 films that get both noms for pic and director WILL BE the frontrunners..and we are back to the same problem..whats the point of recognizing them if they have no chance to win? they can keep acting cats the same for all icare--its hard to get even 5
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No Country For Old Men? There Will Be Blood? American Beauty? Gladiator? The Dark Knight (Ledger DID win)? Million Dollar Baby? Yeah... nobody went to see any of those fucking movies... I mean, who has heard of Russell Crowe?
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But the Academy probably realizes that everyone else is starting to realize that this is just a political ploy to include films that the general public thinks are deserving. The awards will still go to those lowball films that "preach" Hollywood social views. The question will continue to be which "gay rights," "anti-conservative," "anti-Christian" or "global warming" film will win this year? Yeah, the BEST PICTURE of 2008 was, without a doubt, THE DARK KNIGHT. However, the Academy was probably upset with the allegorical elements of the film (Batman's own phone-tapping "Patriot Act" for finding a terrorist named the Joker -AND- "waterboarding the terrorist is sometimes needed" attitude). Films like THE DARK KNIGHT and CHILDREN OF MEN were robbed -- and will continue to be robbed -- although they might (just might) received a nomination.
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...the Academy Aware for BEST PICTURE goes to the film that the 5,722 STUDIO INSIDERS (actors, producers, directors, editors, etc...) think to be the "best." Fuck the public! They are merely collecting money, garnishing some free advertising, allowing the winners to share their political views during speeches...while patting themselves on the back for what they think is a "job well done."
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But there are now like 100 other awards shows that cater to the public's taste. Hell, it's even breaking down into niche's of the public's opinions on what is good and what isn't. Why shouldn't there be a few inward facing circle jerk award shows? I understand your argument and I agree about the political aspects, but how else would we really know what those homo loving commie bastards like and don't like?
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You're right! However, the OSCARs are marketed as if they are the king of all awards -- and the only awards that truly matter. You and I view the Academy Awards as merely the opinion of the particularly elite industry members who comprise the voters. I usually disagree with their opinions anyway. However, the studios still market them as if they truly matter. It is the biggest show in Hollywood for a reason -- because it is given by the studio big wigs (as a chance to advertise and make money at the same time). Instead of an "inward facing circle jerk award show," it is a career builder (or career destroyer, in certain cases). It is the time of year that most big name clebrities (and those who want to be big name celebrities) gather to bow before the industry and kiss the bowels of the studios. Their opinion is strictly their own...but they package it in a way that makes it seem like a consensus of the public, critics, etc... It is hilarious that they make soooooooo much money advertising their films to us while giving themselves awards! In the end, they are still the same "preachy" films that the big wigs choose to win. The only time they feel otherwise is when they fear a public backlash from their choices. I think that this new 10 film selection format is a result of the public's anger about THE DARK KNIGHT getting snubbed last year in favor of Slumdog, Milk and Benjamin Button. Some of those were good films -- but FAR from the best.
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I think, though, that what you're arguing is more of a change of the tone of the show itself, and that I agree with. I just don't think they should even attempt to second-guess themselves based upon popularity and box office when it comes to picking the films or second guess the audience they're catering to. 10 nominees in an overly self-important awards show is still an overly self-important awards show. I wouldn't change the nominees and the voting, if they get it wrong, they get it wrong... so be it. It's one of the interesting things about the show actually. Sometimes they do get it right and even then, it's a matter of opinion. But it probably wouldn't be as offensive to some of the public if it weren't marketed the way you are describing, which is true. And I don't even think it's just a matter of perception, as much as I enjoy watching the show every year, I actually work in the entertainment industry and it makes me cringe and think, "Holy shit... they really do act like we're curing cancer." Empirically, there are times when the show comes off as offensively self-righteous... and that would usually be any time it presumes that the nominees are already annointed classics or stars that will be beloved for all time (they're just nominees for THIS year, only time can tell otherwise), or when it veers off into too much political bs. Also, with the host... the reason it's the toughest hosting job is because the audience is ready to get pissed at ANYTHING that suggests this isn't the center of the universe for that night. Those constant refrains of A BILLION VIEWERS has go to go. There may be a billion POTENTIAL viewers, but I'm always amazed at the number of people I know who don't bother to watch or just flip back and forth here and there, maybe to catch the end. So I'd change the pace, length, and tone of the show, but I wouldn't change the process.
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Horseshit. You just don't see any of them.
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There may be 10 good films a year -- but they aren't the ones that are picked by the Academy. Of course, there are some years that those 10 "good" films might prove tedious to find.
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Jun 25, 2009 1:25:37 PM CDT
This'll cut down on the "my fave film didn't even get nominated"
by soylentmean
This is also going to throw Vegas for a loop.
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Jun 25, 2009 1:27:39 PM CDT
It's usually not that hard to find 10 good films in a year
by soylentmean
Although this year is, so far, presenting quite a challenge. We still have 6 months left, but as of now there hasn't been too much to get excited about. Does anybody know if they're going to increase the nominees in any other category, or is this just a test run?
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good fucking luck.
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Up, The hangover, star trek, Taken, why the hell 10 nominations, their aint even 10 good movies a year
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I am angry that THE DARK KNIGHT was snubbed by the Academy. So were many other people. In fact, it was even included as a story by NBC, ABC, CNN and even THE NEW YORK TIMES (along with many other news outlets). We're not "idiots." But you're right. For the Academy, this is about MONEY and PRESTIGE. The Academy would LOVE for their hand-picked films to make more money. However, this is also a question of LEGITIMACY. The Academy has lost its importance because John Q. Public is starting to see the Oscars for what they are: Rich studios are merely increasing profits through free advertising, allowing the winners to share their political or social views during speeches...while congratulating themselves for what they think is a "job well done."
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just saying.
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Jun 25, 2009 2:34:57 PM CDT
In a year with a lackluster Summer, will Fall bring hope?
by soylentmean
I'm really hoping that since this Summer has sucked more than it hasn't that we'll see some really good films hit theaters in the Fall and early Winter.
After last year's abyssmal selection of "Best Picture" contenders I think we're overdue. -
I thought it was snubbed as well.
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Yet it was still enjoyable. The two together make a great double feature.
But there's nothing like falling asleep to Murnau's film and waking up to the stairwell scene... -
I've only heard good things about Vampyr.
Speaking of subtitles, and I'm not sure if you're a fan of the movie or not, but I just saw that the Blu-Ray of Iron Monkey is coming soon. I just wonder if we'll have the option of seeing the film with the original language intact. Then I will have to put the subtitles on, but most likely enjoy the film much more. -
And so it was written that Our Lord Bale was denied three times for TDK by his disciple Oscar.
Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Director.
"Have mercy upon them, for they know not what they do" quoth Bale as he pissed on the corpse of Sean Penn. -
Sure, there are far more important things to be angry about, but you seem to be the guy writing posts and rebuttals about this. Me? I could care less about the opinions of the 5000+ plus voters of the Academy. I just don't like the fact that they act and market these awards as if their opinion is the only one that TRULY matters. And, yes, I would think that any one of Herzog's films are better than 90% of the nominees for BEST PICTURE.
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As a kid, every year, I would make predictions for every category, and bet my Uncle John a dollar that I'd get more right than him. Finally, tho, I realized how shallow and bogus the Oscars really are and stopped caring. Remember the year that Halle Berry AND Denzel Washington won Oscars. AND fucking Sydney Poiter got the lifetime achievement award? Now look, I'm not racist in the least, I swear, but that's SO fucking obvious and obviously a setup. They're staged, people. Staged to sell fucking tickets and DVDs. Staged as fodder for gossip rags (and shows). Staged so ridiculously rich celebrities can stand in a circle jerk that's watched by millions of people. And Forrest fucking Gump? Don't even get me started.
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THE PROFESSIONALS: Part 51
THE BALES OF MADISON COUNTY;
She sat at the end of the bed, the sheet barely clinging to her naked body. She looked up at him, her eyes pleading with him to stay.
“Why?” she finally asked, her voice filled with hurt and pain.
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD didn’t reply. He stood at the open window, looking out at the lights of Paris at night. He took another long drag from his cigarette before finally turning to face her.
“You wouldn’t understand, baby. I don’t know if I understand it myself. But we just wouldn’t work out.” “Why?” she repeated, tears building up in her eyes. “I love you. Don’t you love-“
DICKBLOOD cut her off in mid-sentence. “Don’t ask questions to things you don’t really want to know the answer to.”
“Why don’t you love me? Aren’t I beautiful?” DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD sighed, sat down on the bed next to her. “Let me put it in words you can understand, baby. My lights were trashed. Ok? I walked into someone’s eyeline and they just trashed my lights. And nothing is going to put them up again.”
She studied him for a moment, than said, “This is because of Bale, isn’t it.” “WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING??” BGDB screamed. “WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THEENK YOU ARE DOING? WHAT IS IT WITH YOU? DO YOU KNOW HOW DISTRACTING YOU ARE?”
She started to cry then, tears flowing down her cheeks. DGBD shook his head, and then pulled her towards him.
“I’m sorry baby. You’re right. Bale is involved. But I am not doing this because of him.”
“Then why?” she asked through her tears.
“Because you are an amateur, and I am a PROFESSIONAL. You’re just ah-da-da-dah, like this in the background. You're a nice guy. You're a nice guy, but that don't fuckin’ cut it when you're fuckin’ around like this on set.”
His words into her like knives and she lowered her head. He could hear sobbing escape her. “I’m sorry, but I am done with you professionally.” She looked up and him, her eyes wet and her lips moist with desire. “Please, just kiss me one last time, “ she begged him, as she dropped the sheet to reveal her beautiful body. “Just kiss me like before.” DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD leaned over, closed his eyes kissed her. She felt her head growing light with ecstasy.
Little did she know that he was thinking of Bale the entire time.
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Combined a couple of paragraphs on accident. Damn it. I'm not posting this twice.
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I posted it in the wrong TB.
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It's a Baleback thing.
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Conti = professionalism.
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Sometimes to taste the man, is to be the man.
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....my credibility with the women is fucking ruined.
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Thanks for posting that in the wrong TB. Made my day.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:11:00 PM CDT
I hope they ditch that five past winners kiss new winner
by lockesbrokenleg
ass format they did this year.
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It is my credibility that is ruined.
"Continentalop's got like some gay fantasies about DGDB and Bale? FUUUUCK!" -
Conti, what happened in the Baleback 'stays' in the Baleback.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:35:55 PM CDT
Sorry Cobra. I broke the first and second rule of the Baleback
by continentalop
I also broke the third rule "Always wear protection."
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Fuck, is Michael Jackson dead???
Local broadcaster KABC has said the 50-year-old singer was taken by ambulance to the UCLA Medical Center.
The Los Angeles Times has reported he was not breathing when paramedics arrived at his home.
The paramedics performed CPR and took him to the medical centre, the newspaper says. No further details were available.
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When they have the montage of all the film makers who have died in the last year.
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Jun 25, 2009 6:03:41 PM CDT
"...include films that the general public thinks are deserving"
by big jim
Hear me now and believe me later, New Moon will be nominated for Best Picture.
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...just remove all the red carpet, pre-show coverage. All the viewers who are only interested in celebrity fashion would then have to watch the actual award ceremony to see what people are wearing. It's the 24 hour media coverage that is diluting the Oscars, not the number of nominees.
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10 casts of movies at the same time? Seating would be nuts.
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Can someone say watered down?!
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I haven't seen 1 good one yet...we always talk about movies being deserving, well now were ganna have so many b.s. pity nods its not even funny...way to go academy, your totally going to encourage thoughtful film making...it makes me fucking sick
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Maybe 3 or 4. I can wait for shit like Friday the 13th Part 1,000 on DVD anyway.
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So it appears the powers that be will add rules so that the winner did not have just 10% + 1 of the vote.
For the sake of argument, assume that there are something like 5800 voting members. So, as is, the winner could be decided by 581 votes. A vert tight coterie of voters could decide the victor.
I read in Variety that the Best Song nominations will be based on accumulated vote totals. So although there can be a maximum of five nominees, each of those nominees must have received at least one first place rating on the ballot. Maybe they will do something similar for the Best Picture category where there is a minimum of three and a maximum of ten, or what have you.
So it is an industry show and, really, the chips should be allowed to fall where they may and the victors should thank whomever they think is deserving of thanks. But the specter of a radically split vote deciding THEIR winner must hang over their heads. -
I enjoyed both Shakespeare in Love AND Crash and had no issues with them winning. (At heart I am an Angeleno so the movie struck home with me.) So there.
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it was the best choice this year.
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The day you need more than 3 slots for Best Animated Picture, is the day Pixar makes more than 3 movies in a year.
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