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Harry says TRANSFORMERS 2 is foul mouthed, racist & misogynistic! It also runs an hour too long!
Hey folks, Harry here... I saw this at the IMAX. If you want to see this - that is how to see it. It makes two action sequences pretty fucking amazing to just stare at. You won't really be emotionally involved because frankly, no character work has been done to make you feel involved. But for pure IMAGERY - there are two sequences that the IMAX experience makes unbelievable.
The film is padded by an hour of completely unnecessary, worthless, offensive and repugnant sequences that do nothing but tread water. Be it the family dogs fucking, twice. An extended sequence of Mom hopped up on pot brownies on a reefer madness binge. The well talked about racist foul-mouthed robots that are built in monkey proportions, have a big shiny gold tooth and do nothing to advance the story an inch. It's almost like Michael Bay showed the script to George Lucas and Uncle George let loose with another of his awesomely inappropriate animated racial slurs. But the racial stuff isn't limited to just the animated variety. There's a black man with bad teeth working in a Butcher Shop to earn new teeth that kinda blew my mind. But my problems with these things aren't so much of the PC variety.
I'm all for off-color humor and thumbing your nose at the PC police. But I really would like it to serve the story. Michael Bay is famous for pointless asides, and this time he has a solid hour and a half of story telling, padded with absolute bullshit.
Now - I know I'm supposed to be the big Michael Bay apologist - for the record - I loved and continue to love BAD BOYS 1 & 2, THE ROCK and ARMAGEDDON. I feel PEARL HARBOR was an hour too long and it hurt what might have been a better shorter film, much like this film. And I really really strongly dislike THE ISLAND and TRANSFORMERS.
This latest film I found more tolerable than the last one, if only because I enjoyed Prime's battle with 3 Decepticons in the forest. And the Egyptian battle sequence, especially with the modified Prime.
But you have to remember, I didn't like a single action sequence in the first film. I rewatched TRANSFORMERS on Blu-Ray before going to the theater today, because I wanted it fresh in mind. I do feel that John Turturro is better this time out. Megan Fox was hotter in the last film. But this film has so much obviously wrong with it, that you have to wonder if anybody in the process ever told Michael Bay that he was fucking offensively retarded.
Well, I know it wouldn't be Lorenzo DiBonaventura - the lead ACTIVE producer on the film. He's the incompetent schmuck that shat on IRON GIANT, and put Schumacher on BATMAN. Lorenzo is a nice guy that has zero barometer for taste. He's like a sweet janitor, more than a smart producer or studio exec. The basic storyline about the Fallen - and the distant history of Robots on Earth... I like. I very much suspect that Orci & Kurtzman created the overall storyline, but then Ehren Kruger came in with the Twins and most of the SHIT in this film. I say this, because I once experienced first hand the rancid idiotic fumblings on Ehren Kruger on JOHN CARTER OF MARS - who single handedly managed to shit on Burroughs in a way I though unthinkable. And cost us untold fortunes in rewrites and changes. And yes, I've never been more frustrated as when the studio forced that hack upon us. But I will say that Mudflap and Skids and Jolt read just like some of the unnecessary bullshit that I've read from Kruger before.
All that said though - my nephew loved the film, he's nearly nine. He hated the kissy stuff. But he loved pretty much everything else. He adored Mudflap and Skids - which is more disturbing than anything else. The amount of foul language popping out of their mouths is astonishing, especially with the shit, bitch, muther..., ass, pussy, etc...
What the hell is this stuff doing in a TRANSFORMERS movie?
Anyone?
This film was conceived during the WRITER'S STRIKE - with Michael Bay up at ILM doing animatics on the big action sequences. Then when the strike was over, he brought in Orci & Kurtzman to string the scenes together. Which oddly enough was kinda how Hitchcock and Lehmann worked on NORTH BY NORTHWEST (to radically different results). And then the roto-rooter of screenwriters, Ehren Kruger did the mop up work on the film. At least that's how I've heard it went down.
The film will make a mint, undeservedly so. Steven Spielberg should be embarrassed to have his name on shoddy storywork like this. Shame on you Steven. Kids will be lining up for this - and they'll be met with dog fucking, cussing, racial stereotypes and more. I seriously wonder if Spielberg was thinking of Mudflap & Skids as he watched the inauguration of Barack Obama - because he'd read the script at that point, he knew what his name was bringing, and yet he still had the gall to attend.
The filmmakers, studio and toymakers behind this film should be ashamed. To spend this type of money to bring this sort of hurtful and repugnant work to screen - it is an insult to every DREAM that so many have WORKed for, for years.
I'd like to ask you not to support this film, but those of you with young boys, I know there isn't a chance. But realize you'll be taking them to see a film with the lowest forms of humor, stereotypes and racism around. Not only that, but its packaged for our children. Which makes it all the more offensive.
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Well, now I know what I won't be going to see today.
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I had really hoped we would see improvements from the first, not more of the worst parts.
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Yes there was some stupid shit in there such as the twins, the dog stuff..the pot brownie stuff, but Soundwave...that was awesome Megatron and Starscream going at it..wicked Devestator.. sweet, honestly I'm not in it to be experience a story that will blow my mind.. I'm in it to see stuff from my childhood realized in a ooo that looks fucking awesome kinda way, and that's why I enjoyed it
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Concise and to the point...
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Sounds like Michael Bay took the money,filmed a giant FUCK YOU,and then ran laughing all the way to the bank. He's made a movie too stupid for adults and too offensive for parents to bring their kids to. In a perfect world,this movie would fail and cause Hollywood to take a long hard look at the shit it produces. In reality,it will make more than DARK KNIGHT did and lead to at least 3 or 4 more Bay-directed robot flicks....maybe the next one will have Al Jolson-Prime singing Mammy and treating us all to a delightful giant robot soft shoe before transforming into the General Lee!
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It makes no sense to me.
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Harry, tell your buddy MICHAEL BAY that his cock might be huge, but that he needs a BIG brain the next time he tries the bigger is better approach. HE NEVER WILL BE JAMES CAMERON and the sooner he realizes that, the better.
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Bay et. al won't see a penny from me... or even bandwidth for an illegal download, for that matter.
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If this really is as terrible as everyones saying im gonna be pissed...This summer has had 3 good films thus far...Star Trek, UP, Drag Me to Hell...everything else has been disappointing. Ive also been hearing Public Enemies is mediocre...so this summer is officially mediocre.
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thanks for trying to give me and Alex a pass, but the sequence of events isn't exactly right. Two weeks before the strike, Alex and Ehren and I generated a 20 page story outline together, and then Michael used it during the strike to prep the action and to develop some of the things he wanted into more of a 60 page scriptment. The twins were born then. I wouldn't blame Ehren for anything that you wouldn't blame us for, but thanks anyway.
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I get the headline now.
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I think...
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if you are real you did a fucking great job on TREK...wtf happened here?
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I liked the first film, but this one sounds horrid.
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I know that when a movie is this offensive to a fanboy there really is no hope for it. I felt the same way when Wolverine came out. What a shitty year for blockbusters.
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We will have to wait and see what an the majority of audiences think before we can draw any lessons.
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...if the stuff is actually true. Just because they showcase it in a movie doesn't mean it can NEVER happen in your eyes, Harry. Live in Downtown L.A. for about two weeks and all of these "racial slurs" won't seem so ridiculous.
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despite myself.
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was going to see it.. but.. meh
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The forrest fight was really good, and a lot of excess crap that could be easily taken out, forgot about Sam's mum and the brownies, that did go on for far too long.
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It's great to hear that Michael Bay managed to top his brilliant masturbation joke from the first one.
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I hate to state the painfully obvious, but is there anything else to say about a Michael Bay movie? It's hard to find enough competence to grasp onto for a review to rise above cliche.
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What the hell was Spielberg (maker of some of the most inoffensive and entertaining films of my childhood) THINKING? Did he even see this movie? Someone must have realised this stuff wasn't going to play well before this mindless flick was released!
What on earth does this say about what Hollywood is trying to tell the world?
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Lets hope not!
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one of your better reviews...
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It's a fuckin' movie...about giant robots from another planet. You guys act like you haven't seen the cartoon before. I have all the seasons on dvd and have seen every episode, and you know what? They're fuckin' goofy as hell.
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and then now hates Transformers two only a little bit less, I know I will enjoy Transformers 2 even more than Transformers 1! OMG....Yes a movie can have worthless fluff, but if it's fluff filling in between Optimus kicking ass and Devastator powning the little guys then so be it. It's a popcorn movie (maybe with a little ass-hattery)! Not a Kurosawa flick released on Criterion! Duh... ___KNEEL___
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Kid mashed up his hand and almost lost an eyeball for that? Geez.
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Bob Orci or was somebody just impersonating him?
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But this reviews reeks of jealous fanboy bullshit.
Call out Spielberg Harold.
Bet it'll serve you in spades.
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Well said. I saw it last night with my (who happens to be african America) who walked out, with others..of a FREE SCREENING! The comic shop I own is cross promoting it with a local free newspaper and I had to send a letter of apology to all my customers. I was too embarrassed for words. Let's just say it didn't play well here in San Francisco.
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can't say i remember much "shucking and jiving" and all around buffoonery. but again, that was nearly twenty years ago... i could be wrong.
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yeah no shit. I'd be happy with a fun, badass summer movie thrill ride, but it isnt that either!
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Jun 24, 2009 12:38:20 AM CDT
Most Awkward AICN Headline Yet
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Which is saying something, hell yeah Harry, keep working that magic.
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Watched it two days ago in Tokyo. It's not bad, it's just really really retarded. What do you expect from a movie based on toys that stopped being "cool" after you turn 10... I needed a dose of kick ass SFX on a big screen, and it's just what I got.
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i swear that dude is on drugs. now the titles of his reviews are as bad as the review itself. I dont really know if its racist and i really dont care. its terrible anyway.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:42:45 AM CDT
What do you expect from Mr. "I create world class images"
by citizen sane
He's an inept director who obviously doesn't give A SHIT about telling a good story; and Speilberg has been totally irrelevent since Shindler. But just wait, this piece of shit will probably rake in an insane amount of money from all the clueless fan-boys who can't resist jerking off to what's her fuck... or Optimus Prime
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Harry's certainly entitled to his opinions, but I hate being preached to about what films I should or shouldn't see, especially by someone who belches the words "f-ing retarded" around so frequently. Also, the complaints about Ehren Kruger may have validity, but they sound petty and personal.
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support swearing and disgusting things. So, surely then I ought to... stop coming to .... this site? Anyone??
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You must have known something was going to go down?????
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I bet everyone involved regrets that now.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:46:06 AM CDT
BTW Harry... ALL of his movies have SUUUUUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by citizen sane
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He likes everything, guess transformers didn't help pay any bills
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remembering the first names of those freaking toys is beyond me. I'm sure some of you guys can name those robots more easily than your politicians or historical personnalities...
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I try to avoid comedy movies for this same type of low level humor. It's sickening and has no place in theater.
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Even the first TRANSFORMERS grew on me, but I gave up BAY a long time ago. He is a HACK with power because of how much money his films make...and much of that thanks should really go to JERRY BRUCKHEIMER and STEVEN SPIELBERG. They produced many to most of his films and the one they did not do -THE ISLAND- FLOPPED. Michael BAY is a big flop himself. GO AWAY BAY!
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With another Transformers opening, and David Fincher attached to a Facebook script, I don't think I've ever been more bored with movies. Seriously, the only recent films I can remember being alright are The Lookout, Idiocracy and 3.10 to Yuma, and IMDB tells me YEARS have passed since they came out. I could start to rave about remakes, sequels, CGI etc etc but what good does it do? It's the time I live in, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. How much worse? Read Flicker to get an idea. Read it, don't wait for the adaptation. Apprently it's been fucked up too.
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I'm gonna see this any way, but since it's so long, it'd be nice to know when there's a nice long stretch of inanity so that I can outside and smoke another joint. So will someone please suggest a point in the running time where it would be adviseable to get up and leave for fifteen minutes?
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I'll bet it's his dick that bought him his pointless career. i wonder who he gave it up for...? Geffen, Bruckheimer perhaps.
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"So, Orci, who's idea was it for decepticon ball sacks?" I think that was us 3 screenwriters. Yes, it took all three of us. Only I have to quibble a tad with your label. They are wrecking balls.
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Everyone says so and those who actually like the film other than 9 year olds make me lose all hope in the human race. Whatta piece of shit. And I can tell just by watching the trailers. FUCK THIS MOVIE!!!
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Best Star Trek Film ever!
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Seriously..? It's a BAY movie, for f**k sake
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tells many a great tale of the rights and wrongs of his kind.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:59:41 AM CDT
Bruckheimer has the aidsface, like the 'guy' who married liza mi
by ironic_name
and barry manilow.
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It's about time they bring some salty offensive humor back into movies. I am going to see this-- just for the plain fact that Harry doesn't like it I am pretty sure I will LOVE it because Harry can't check his biases and snobbish nose at the cinema door.
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Torrent a Go!
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Jun 24, 2009 1:02:35 AM CDT
How can you go from writing something so good to something
by pissed off and bitter
So shitty? Did the execs give you a truckload of money or what? Come on man. How do you go from re-inventing Star Trek to being incomprehensible with these TF movies? Don't give me that bullshit about box office. Shit is shit and this movie is definitely shit!
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and he was laughing, so I guess it was okay.
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First an accurate review of Terminator 4 and now another accurate one of Transformers:RotF... I'm liking this trend.
Harry, when your brain fully develops, please go back and watch Phantom Menace and write us an honest review.
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Jun 24, 2009 1:06:08 AM CDT
aidsface: Bruckheimer, manilow, bay, guest, cliff richards
by ironic_name
http://tinyurl.com/nrbhf9
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And Chris "Mad Dog" Russo- what's his opinion?
Howard and Jimmy said it killed. -
why? because they feel guilty. they think they know what kids like, and pander idiotic bullshit commercials, TV shows, etc. Why do they feel guilty? Because they were too selfish with their own careers to give a fuck. And if they do have kids, they rarely see them. This is why you will always have hollywood crap that panders to children. But kids know the difference... at lest the smart ones do, the others, just don't care.
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come on. Are they really wrecking balls? ..this is a huge wTF? Surely theyre wrecking balls but obviously part of some piss/fart/ style joke because everyone else whos seen it seems to call it a HUGE NUT sack.. What happend to that consultant michael bay hired for the first one? He was the gatekeeper of all transformer knowledge, surely he wouldnt allow this. No one wanted to hire him the second time out??..Its looking like that was a bad move so far. Im seeing it anyway tommorrow even though ive been warned.
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You'll be hearing a lot of negative things about Giant F-ing Robots Part Deux. It's not that what the critics are saying are entirely wrong. For the most part, I agree with a huge chunk of what's been said. But I think people are missing the point about Michael Bay and his Bayhem.
Because Michael Bay does not make movies.
Michael Bay makes porn.
In the seventies, people thought how revolutionary it would be to film a story where once you cut to the love scenes, you would actually see people having sex. This is like the golden age of the seventies in film where you have Coppola, Scorsese, Spielberg, Friedkin, Lucas (before the dark times), and so forth. But you know what? How many individuals actually sit through the story of the porn movie thinking "oh gosh, I can't wait till these two get it on, I'm in SUCH suspense?" No one. We fast forward to the good parts. Then in the eighties, videotape ruined that. Less story, more porn. Now in the age of DVD and BLU-RAY... no story, all porn. For example, a man in a suit enters a house for a business meeting with his partner. The partner isn't there, but his wife - dressed in slutty lingerie at 2 in the afternoon - is there to greet him. The man in the suit says "great - I confirmed this meeting three times. NOW what am I gonna do?" And then slutty lingerie wife offers him options. BAM! Cut to the love scene. One and a half minutes of story followed by twenty minutes of gymnastic sexual antics.
So what Michael Bay does is make modern day blockbusters following the formula of modern day porn. Skip the story, and get right to the reason we hit 'yes' on our On Demand. Sometimes, you're just not in the mood for a story that changes the way you see the world. You just want some porn. You want The Rock or Armageddon.
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is like Giant Robot Porn. We don't really care how we see big robots fighting, because that's inherently just silly. Kind of like when a hot blond girl in a short skirt who says she's over 18 can't wait to get at a man in his forties who oozes Axe Body Spray. It's just silly. But we don't care. We just want to see big robots fighting. We want to see Godzilla smash some shit. So give us about ten to twenty minutes of story (which is what T:ROTF gives us) and then give us 2 hours of insane over-the-top-ludicrous-action-that-we-know-can't-possibly-be-realistic-and-doesn't-make-sense-but-who-gives-a-crap-it's-fun-as-hell-to-watch. He basically skips the setup and gets right to the good stuff. Which is what porn does best.
So I had a total blast watching T:ROTF. The audience laughed and clapped a hell of a lot at the end. I sat next to four black women who were on the edge of their seat and laughing at all the stuff with the Twins. Judging by those lines I saw, I expect the rest of America will be figuring it out for themselves this week.
Now imagine if Michael Bay made an honest-to-goodness porn. (Or with all this remake madness - what abot a remake of SHOWGIRLS? AND on IMAX?) Now that'll be worth $14 dollars... -
Just give your money to me and watch the original Transformers animated movie. Screw "Bay"!
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Seriously, Im so off this site its not funny. Almost EVERY movie gets the shit bagged out of it. This isnt a movie lover site anymore, its a haters site. Check a site called trip advisor. its supposed to be about reviews. However the only time people use it is to bitch and moan about little things. Transformers ??? What the hell were you expecting? Seriously. Have a REALLY good think about what you wanted to see. All this web site does is promote directors you like and bags the crap out of ones for some small pathetic reason that you dont like. You promote shitty comics and obscure fan boy crap like its liquid gold coming out of your screens. You may as well call this site 'Aint it Cool if you are .....'. This isnt abvout TF2. I havent seen it. I will. I may think its crap too. But Im certainly not expecting an Oscar worthy 2 hours like all you fools still living in the 1980's. I watched Outlander on this sites recommendation and found it the biggest turd worthy sea anchor I have ever seen. But you guys liked it. Next time I want to depress myself about the joys of movies, I will come back here. Harry and crew, have a good think about the last 2 years of this site. There is no love anymore for 'Aint It Cool 5% Of The Time If You Tell Me So'. Get your own opinion everyone. Im outta here
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Jun 24, 2009 1:30:36 AM CDT
HEY, Boborci, DOES THE MONEY YOU MAKE WRITING SHIT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Fill the hole where your soul should be? You and your butt buddy have written nothing but fucking trash. You invest NOTHING in your screenplays but generic garbage aimed at the lowest common denominator. Understand that the success and critical blowjobs over Star Trek is because Abram’s made the movie so fast paced that people were willing to ignore the fact that the whole movie was Good Will Hunting + Wrath of Khan. Star Trek was successful DESPITE your involvement. I’m sure my words mean nothing to you as you and that other dickhead you “write” with are rolling in cash but know this, 50 years from now the two of you will be forgotten to the trash heap of cinema. You move no one, you inspire no one and you will never make a difference. You only make things worse.
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Jun 24, 2009 1:34:56 AM CDT
WOW, HARRY GETS HIS REVIEW OUT A DAY BEFORE THIS OPENS…
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Glad to see the check from Paramount cleared, you know, the one you got to keep your mouth shut. Doesn't it bother you that you are now owned by people who loathe you? You are now a company man and Bill Hicks would not approve.
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Run with it, Sommers.
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Your advertising it on the main page in two places for goodness sake! Thats real integrity?
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I swore never to see another Transformers film while Michael Bay's name is on the credits.
I will never ever see Transformers 2. You got my money the first time. That's enough.
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You hide behind your keyboards and piss and moan about EVERYTHING. Bob Orci comes here to interact, and you guys treat him like shit. You know what? If you think you can write a better movie, then get off your fat asses and do it. Stop complaining and do it. But you wont do it, because you dont have the talent or drive. Get a life.
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in both movies (i downloaded the second) he seems more interested in blowing up army dudes and showing off vehicles than transformers. and nothing creative. its shit you've seen a thousand times in better movies. who the fuck besides Bay wants to see this shit? For a good 30 minutes you see the military randomly blow up, with some robots doing stuff in the background. the last act was terrible. BAY! YOU CANT DO HUMANS! youre just not good at it. stop trying and focus on robots fighting for the love of god! truly pathetic. way to miss the point.
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you know how retarded you sound? you have to suck a lot of cock (and know which cocks to suck) to ever write on a huge budget movie. it has nothing to do with talent. there are much better writers in the biz, and their problem isnt laziness, its not knowing the right people. stop crying.
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"HEY, Boborci, DOES THE MONEY YOU MAKE WRITING SHIT Fill the hole where your soul should be? " No. It doesn't.
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Jun 24, 2009 1:48:41 AM CDT
Headgeek, you liked BAD BOYS II, which was racist...
by badwaldo s revenge
...towards the Latinos. Even a neighbor who is a Hispanic to whom I loaned a rental DVD of the movie said it's racist.
I saw the first Transformers movie and thought it was lame-assed despite terrific visual effects.
While I doubted your judgment on Armageddon, I'll skip Transformers II flick. I might bear to watch it on a free rental (no Red Box dollar) to see how wretched the movie really is. I'm a little surprised you are considerably more uptight when you expressed concern about unmitigated foul language in Transformers II flick. It's PG-13. From your description, it sounds like it's close to an R with raunchy humor geared towards children and teenyboppers with deceptive marketing focused on the action scenes.
I haven't been to the movies since I saw that over-glared POS Star Trek, and based on your condemnation of Transformers II along with T4, I'm glad to take your advice and skip the movies this summer. It's more refreshing watching great classic movies in black and white on DVD, so one would not have to be reminded of the godawful inferior, foul, hyper-edited and grotesquely violent movies out in theaters now that undermine the faith in recent movies.
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Thanks for proving a point for me. There truly are some vile and disgusting people here.
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while working on this movie? Its as if Obama is the only man of race ever in this country.
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Yeah, but BAD BOYS 2 was not aimed at children, and though I loved BAD BOYS 2 - my original review talks a lot about the crazy ass racism of that film.
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check the front page of the site - Roadblock ads from TRANSFORMERS 2. Sure did buy loving reviews didn't it?
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my favorite review ever!
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Yeah, Harry, I wonder if Uncle George Lucas runs his "Racist" jokes by his African-American girlfriend, you ignorant, worthless little cunt. I love how there's an entire article on The Guardian's website where people are absolutely tearing into you, you pathetic waste of other people's oxygen. Fuck off and die!
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the Jar Jar Bots veered dangerously close to stereotyping, but i dont know for sure. its not the ghetto slang or the gold tooth, that stuff is race neutral to me. plenty of idiots act like that, and that idiot Wayans brother acts like them in every movie that he's in. but i think the way they were designed looked an awful lot like the old racist cartoon stereotypes of blacks. the facial features and build. Really dumb.
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just as long as you read what i said and realize how stupid your comment was, you can call me what you want.
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Transformers 2 is a spectacular special effects showcase and pure eye candy. No more, but no less either. I enjoyed the hell out of it (and I'm 28) And yes, some of the comedic relief elements could have been left out, but all in all they didn't feel out of place like the monkeys and groundhogs in Indiana Jones 4 for example.
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I hardly think a movie that is rated "PG-13" is "aimed at children". This is no Disney for crying out loud...
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Jun 24, 2009 2:13:14 AM CDT
At least the Jar Jar Twins dind' have a huge clock hangin'
by mitortilla
like Flava Flav.
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Welcome to the more democratic future. I'm sorry for you.
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Didn't I bust your balls a few years back for showing Troma films to this same nephew :p
Why the fuck would these hacks take the worst parts from the last film and make them more glaring in the second. It's painfully obvious that the film making process is broken. Rather than focus on good characters and storytelling they write scripts by committee and try to throw in something for every age and taste.
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All I can ask is, why?
Why did you have to have the twins?
Why put a testicle joke on Devastator?
Why have Jetfire fart a parachute?
Why have Wheelie hump a girl's leg?
It's not like jokes are bad. It's just fitting the joke to the setting, and these things were just . . . jarring.
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The cries of racism from you Harry are pretty weak, and if you're going to be nitpicking to that extent where was your cry of racism back with Episode I, I believe your reaction in your review to Jar Jar was Mesa Love Him hardly a condemnation of George Lucas using so called stereotypical racial humor. This review is another example of this website going Aha! Filmmaker I'm going to try to Batman and Robin you. It's like Perez Hilton twittering people to call the police for him, a grab for attention, so congrats somewhere Michael Bay is thinking..fuck you Harry.
You do mention it yourself in your review the core of a proper story is in there you see it, and I'm sure if someone Phantom Edit's this thing you could probably have a much better film if you cut out all of the rubbish, cause there is some gold in there, should we have to dig to find it? no but this is a summer special effects romp not a hopeful best picture nominee -
Three of the most moronic, talentless writers in Hollywood and directed by Michael Bay. Oof!Harry's right. Go and see The Hurt Locker instead and see what an intelligent action movie, not created to tick every box of a marketing demographic looks like.
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The racist angle, I can see you disliking. I mean, I didn't think it was too awful, and the girl I'm seeing seemed to think the twins could have easily been making fun of white-trash people (especially since they were apparently voiced by white actors) - but ok, it offends you. That I get. But again, like I said in the dedicated, The Dark Knight it ain't, but that's ok. Like Hagrid1 says, it's porn, and I don't know, I didn't have any problem with that. I had a lot of fun, the crowd had a lot of fun, clapped their asses off. Awesome fights, insane amounts of deaths, a Transformers story that reminded me of the tv show, Frank fucking Welker, great Megatron/Starscream back-and-forth... What the fuck? My girl did point out that Obama was kinda made to be a douche, appointing the asshole character and all, so I guess I'm annoyed with that aspect, but otherwise...
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The Velvet Alley, written by Rod Serling for Playhouse 90 in 1959. It stars Art Carney as Ernie Pandish, a struggling writer who gets his big break, dumps his long time agent and friend played by Jack Klugman, and goes to Hollywood. The character that represents you and Kurtzman is Eddie Kirkley, played by Leslie Neilsen, a fellow writer who’s been in Hollywood for a while and who, in a moment of clarity from his alcoholic stupor, explains the trappings of his success, quote – “You know how they do it Earnie? They give you a thousand dollars a week and they keep on giving you a thousand dollars a week until that’s what you need to live on. Then after that you live every day, your afraid they’ll take it away from you.” These words were written 50 years ago and they are as relevant to you today as they were to any other hack who sold out at the cost of their personal integrity. But the truth is that you and Kurtzman never had it in you to become another Rod Serling or Paddy Chayefsky so you never had to “sell out” in the first place as being studio lapdogs came to the two of you as easily as breathing.
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It is what it is, a decentish movie about toy robots. I watched the toons as a kid and owned a couple of the 'formers (as well as the Gobots!!!!) but that's as far as my interest went. I'm expecting pretty much the same deal from no2, no more, no less. Oh and I wouldn't pay to see the fucker either, but I will catch it at some point, I'm in no hurry though.
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Would people stop defending this fucking dirge with the tired 'its just a popcorn movie' line. That's a line thats come from Hollywood producing vacuous, moronic, identi-kit crap for more than a decade. You're basically starting to accept this shit because its been so long since you saw a well-made, well written summer movie.Wake up people.
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Since its late and I've had a long day, I will indulge a little by giving you my one and only, but truly sincere FUCK YOU of the night. Congrats and thanks.
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I can't imagine somebody being on the fence about this. Nothing Harry says will keep away anybody who wants to see it. IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT A TRUCK THAT TURNS INTO A ROBOT. FROM OUTER SPACE. BASED ON A FRICKIN' TOY.
As far as the sexism and racism stuff goes, I can't fathom how somebody who's watched "Family Guy" or Dave Chappelle's show would storm out of the theater in a huff. It's a non-issue. -
Jun 24, 2009 2:42:46 AM CDT
Boborci, HAVE FUN SLEEPING ON YOUR PILLOW FILLED WITH MONEY....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Dreaming of winning writing awards that you will never obtain in reality. Hack.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:44:12 AM CDT
i thought the hate level would die down after this shit movie
by bmacsmith
but then i remembered GI Joe was coming out.
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Fucking broken record bull shit and a lazy ass defense that's used constantly by fan boys defending lame shit.
Hey here's a thought mental midgets...I want FUCKING BOTH! If I'm gonna pay minimum $30 for 2 to see a movie w/ tickets and large drinks only, it better cover all the bases.
You're telling me it's that hard to produce a movie with good special effects and good characters and a decently written story. FUCK YOU! It really can't be that hard with that much money and talent in the industry. Wait...I guess this is really showing that the hack to talent ration is way off the charts in the hacks favor.
And for all you douche bag, fan boy, fuckwads who pull out the "it's not Oscar worthy stuff, it's just a special effects summer popcorn flick FTW?" Eat a dick. Why don't we just have ILM produce 1 to 2 hour "summer special effects romps" with no story, just all the good FX.
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Do you have any idea how pathetic you are? Truly?
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deter them from making an animated version of Bayformers, so we can get that third season of the brilliant "Transformers Animated."
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Nuck81: Wow, Harry didn't like it? He likes everything, guess transformers didn't help pay any bills
Two comments earlier:
jimmy_009: Too bad they're advertising this film on this site I bet everyone involved regrets that now.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:50:21 AM CDT
that third season of the brilliant "Transformers Animated."
by ironic_name
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Jun 24, 2009 2:50:52 AM CDT
and yet here you are - WITH ADS FOR IT ON YOUR SITE
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
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Jun 24, 2009 2:50:53 AM CDT
Penhall99, I DON'T GET PAID WRITING ABOUT LEG HUMPING ROBOTS...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
So at Christmas I don’t have to explain why I bring shame to my family on a global scale.
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He twittered people to call the police? God, what a waste.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:54:36 AM CDT
If you're that much against it -PULL THE FUCKING ADS DOWN KNOWLE
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
You hypocritical asshole
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Jun 24, 2009 2:55:55 AM CDT
that third season of the brilliant "Transformers Animated."
by ironic_name
the same show that every. single. mongoloid. everywhere. screamed and howled their hatred for? I remember seeing the designs and liking them, but that was verboten, now the same mindless peons are screaming that the show they said was destroying the lore!1!!11eleven!1 is not being faithfully revered. I hate 'fans'.
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You don't think your extremely rude comments to a man that simply wants to interact with fans were out of line? Not even a little? Come on, man. I know its the internet but try to show a little decency.
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That guy has to come to his senses and realise that you don't get to do SCHINDLER'S LIST and AMISTAD one day then exec produce TRASNFORMERS 2 the next. He needs to ask himself 1) How much money does he actually need? and 2) If putting out TRANSFORMERS 2 helps him finance another MUNICH (or whatever), is that an acceptable trade-off? (I would say absolutely NOT, given how many kids will watch TF2 and feel that various racist and misogynist attitudes are acceptable.)
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It would have been worse if the movie was only 70 minutes long. Then it would have been:
"Harry says TRANSFORMERS 2 is foul mouthed, racist & misogynistic! It also runs an half an hour too short!" -
before it was random words strung together. something about shitting.
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Sadly, there will be one who positively loves Mudflap and Skids, proudly shouting, "Hells yeah! They be representin'!" And that's so fucking sad...
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No invites to Skywalker ranch for you. After your rant about McG, do you have any friends left in Hollywood? See you in court!
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No invites to Skywalker ranch for you. After your rant about McG, do you have any friends left in Hollywood? See you in court!
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... music video director who happened to get super lucky with WIll, Tea, Sean and Nic in his first few movie. I enjoy the second unity action directing on his films, yes. I enjoy the super work by ILM on his films. There has never been more than 2 minutes of story in any of his films. I agree that ultimately, Steven is responsible for this film. But whatever, right? Steven made a mint off good aliens until he needed a hit and finally made bad aliens. He's a businessman first. Just like Bay. They want to make money. And it's just entertainment guess. But all the same... I'll see The Hangover again this weekend.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:20:07 AM CDT
"Lorenzo is a nice guy that has zero barometer for taste"
by kevin_costners_recycled_piss
For some reason that line made me laugh.
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Can you do us all a favour and don't report about every single toy or imageor casting news, or sneak peak that gets released - just publish stories for the trailers, then reviews of the film. That's the very most it deserves.
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Wasn't offended at all. Everyone in the audience laughed at the right places. It's a fun, enjoyable movie with good action. Sure, it has plot holes, but then so does everything else.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:27:03 AM CDT
Penhall99, "DECENCY"?!? FOR PEOPLE WHO MAKE...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
An obscene amount of money by writing a movie with geriatric farting robots that they will have to explain to their children one day? Hey, I believe in capitalism and the American Dream and if these two had the balls to come on here and say “yeah, we make more money writing nonsensical garbage, with racially offensive UncleTomBots, then 5,000 autoworkers do in an entire year so SUCK IT YOU FUCKING PEASANTS HAHAHAHAH!!!” then I’d have to give them some respect for admitting that they’re money grubbing hacks. But they won’t because they have artistic pretentions and live in the hope that if Akiva Goldsman can win an Oscar then Hollywood will throw them one once they get around to scripting Michael Bay’s dream project about illiterate, Ukrainian, quadriplegic, lesbian, mineworkers starring Megan Fox and Isabel Lucas.
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Disney any closer to acquiescing to your demands and releasing it on DVD?
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Sad. Everyone in the theater was laughing at them. Aldo, did I mention it was playing on like five screens all sold out?
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Bob Orci just fucking owned this elitist piece of shit Charles whatever whatever.
Hey Bob man, you can rest easy at night. You are living your dreams and making bank doing it. Don't ever permit a turd detractor that is a failure in life dissuade you from accomplishing your dreams. People resent success you know Bob. It's indicative of their innate misery.
You've made two event films this summer that filled theater seats up and ellicited massive audience participation and enthusiasm, and that's something I haven't seen in films since Return of the jedi/Indiana Jones days. Bob, you just keep doing what you're doing. Fuck these turdmongers to hell. -
All the animosity here is just crazy. But thats all this whole website is. Animosity and hate. There's no discussing movies or anything here. Just a lot of crude comments. Oh well. I'm glad I have other places where I can actually have civilized discussions about things.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:38:01 AM CDT
Holy shit! SpongeBob Squarepants voices Mudflap and Skids!
by iamnicksaicnsn
How much whiter of a guy can you get??
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They actually remastered it, recorded a Leonard Maltin intro for it - along with other celebrities. We'll see what happens with it, but banishing it, would be like banishing GONE WITH THE WIND. It is a great film in Disney's history.
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Go fuck yourself, you piece of shit. Bob Orci (if that's him) showed up here to discuss things with us intelligently, and he has to put up with that? Even if you hate the guy, perhaps you could have - oh, I don't know - articulated it as less of an asshole, and maybe tried to find some common ground?
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Jun 24, 2009 3:44:15 AM CDT
lockesbrokenleg, IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING THE END OF THE USA..
by charlesthomasmathews1978
People are patting themselves on the back because they got a HALF African American elected to the White House (never mind the sad fact that Obama wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the WH if both of his parents were AA’s) but the truth is that the damage has already been done from Reagan to Bush II and you are now living in the United Corporate States of America where there is always 900 billion for war (to protect against airplane highjacking by people with boxcutters when a locked cabin door and an armed air marshal would be cheaper) and 750 billion for Wall Street (to cover their gambling losses) but it’s impossible to create a free healthcare system or improve education while the masses are asleep in their media saturated stupor and lap up trash like Transformers : Revenge of the Fallen. This is what it must have been like at the end of Rome.
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Special effects were great. Shia LaBeouf and John Turturro were hysterical. Michael bay gets shitted on because he makes two autobots that act "black" yet the wayans brothers make a whole movie stereotyping white girls and nobody blinks. As for Barack Obama. In the movie he was mentioned during the decepticon invasion and how he went into an undergroung bunker for his protection. At least Bay had the decensy to save him. If he was a racist, Obama would of been blown up by megatron.
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Special effects were great. Shia LaBeouf and John Turturro were hysterical. Michael bay gets shitted on because he makes two autobots that act "black" yet the wayans brothers make a whole movie stereotyping white girls and nobody blinks. As for Barack Obama. In the movie he was mentioned during the decepticon invasion and how he went into an undergroung bunker for his protection. At least Bay had the decensy to save him. If he was a racist, Obama would of been blown up by megatron.
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i liked the last film starting from the part where they leave the Dam sector thingy. I was hoping this would learn from its mistakes in the first film. Ive read most reviews that have been posted and decided not to see it til i read yours. I dont always agree with your reviews ie twilight but your review sounded level headed and basically like the movie is too dumb for anyone who is even willing to forgoe the stupid jokes just to gawp at the sweet action sequences. kinda gutted. bring on Avatar.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:49:32 AM CDT
Harry, you've taken your nephew to see slasher films in the past
by righteousbrother
is foul language and dog mating worse than murder for entertainment?
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Jun 24, 2009 3:51:20 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, Boborci OWNED ME HOW EXACTLY?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Because the measure of a man is by how much he has in his bank account, right? By that definition I should be jealous of drug dealers, prostitutes and country western singers. But I’m not because they contribute nothing of worth to our society just like Orci and Kurtzman.
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Fuck you. I never prejudged Transformers Animated. I'm a huge fan of cartoons, more than live action movies/shows, and I particularly like stylized design in animation.
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Jun 24, 2009 4:02:17 AM CDT
Mr. Zeddemore, I WOULD LOVE TO INTELLIGENTLY DISCUSS THE VIRTUES
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Leg humping robots, geriatric farting robots, dogs fucking and the unspeakable horror of John Turturro’s ass in IMAX. It would be like Mike Wallace interviewing Rod Serling on the eve of The Twilight Zone’s premiere in 1959. I have no doubt that a discussion with Orci and Kurtzman would be like talking physics with Stephen Hawking except with none of the intellectualism and all of the retarded drooling.
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...the first one's DVD immediately after the dizzingly prolonged discussion of masturbation. I couldn't believe what I was hearing in a movie geared for kids. Spielberg should be embarrassed by this crap and he seems to not have learned much the second time around.
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Sorry butit is really fucking beyond me why anyone who watched the first one would go and see this sequel. The first one was an utter waste of time and anyone sees it as a fun action spectacle needs their fucking head examined. It's devoid of any sense of story, character and lacks a single ounce of humanity.
The average cinema goer will see this movie meaning that Hollywood will continue to churn out this neanderthal nonsense. People get what they deserve if they support this shit. -
Hi. I would like to let everyone out there in on a little secret. There are black people in this world with gold teeth, who are stupid, and who speak in slang. Why can we never show that? We can sure as fuck show the asshole racist white guy, the dumb white jock, the pale white dirty molester, the redneck NASCAR white trash idiot, and on, and on, and on. Anyone with half of a brain knows that most persons of color are in no way respresented by the two GOOFY ROBOTS DESIGNED TO MAKE KIDS LAUGH. When somone makes a movie that calls African-Americans the N-word, shows them eating watermelons with fried chicken, while dancing in blackface for their master, Call me, and I'll be right with in calling that out as insensitive and racist. Until then, get over it.
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fuck you with a fucking cherry on top. you, like all other peons, hated the designs.
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How did Bob Orci own you, you ask?
I'll tell you how. It's fucking simple to sit in the comforts of your own basement force feeding the bag of cheetos and sign on a computer Mommy bought , and attack someones elses art, without having ever, ever in your fucking life, achieved a modicum of success or societal influence.
You God damn people aren't film critics, infact your elitist pedantic tastes in film is shit. You mother fuckers don't know the first thing about film, yet you can so callously attack someone that orchestrates an ARMY of technicians and creative artists with a vision to produce mass-media entertainment. Fuck you fleebs. Fuck every one of you fat cocksuckers that have ever said a cross word about a Lucas, Bay, Orci, Cameron, Sommers, whoever the fuck else you want to name. These mother fuckers have achieved more in 10 minutes of their lives than any of you fat pieces of shit will achieve in a life-time, and you have the audacity to presume to lecture someone that LIVES it on what constitutes high art? Fuck you.
You mother fuckers have that LUXURY. Cocksuckers. It's fucking EASY to tear down and destroy, but try building and assembling you hack talentless uninspired pieces of shit. Orchestrate a 200 million dollar budget and an army of actors, technicians, craftsmen, designers, writers. Fuck you.
How did Bob Orci own you? By even fucking showing up and giving you the profound courtesy of even READING what a true piece of shit that has never created anything has to say. You cowardly mother fuckers it takes a sack to create something all the world will see and unleash it on the public so that any small insignificant trashy piece of shit can "critique" it. That takes more balls than fifty of you fucks have. You pretentious pricks put your shit out there for everyone to judge and lambast and tear apart then see and feel the other end of what insipid, tired little fucks sound like after you've labored on a thing for months.
It's one thing to not like the results of a film but when people start attacking the artists or creators as if THEY COULD FUCKING DO ANY BETTER it begins to sound like salty pussy. Tired. Bland. Stale. Small. Salty Pussy.
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honestly people, go and see any other film in the top ten than this festering monkey turd. Believe me its Batman & Robin bad !!
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Jun 24, 2009 4:31:04 AM CDT
Harry loves torture porn, but he cant' take a robot talking jive
by lockesbrokenleg
After reading these reviews, I was thinking they were going to be a lot worse, but they are hardly in the movie.
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C'mon Harry, you saw Star Trek, that had tons of plot holes, all of them big enough to drive a starship through. The first Bayformers was pathetically scripted and Fringe has the worst science I've seen in a sci-fi show for years. You can't lay all the blame on Kruger here.
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Colour me retarded but I loved Transformers 2 but even if I didn't, shit, I'm shocked by the vitriol on here. It's far more offensive than any presumed racism in a family film. A film that reminded me of Transformers, y'know, the Transformers for kids long before aging nerds snapped up all the toys instead and complained their childhood was being raped? The humour was delivered by decent comic actors, and as Michael Bay is more than happy to fill his films with a variety of ethnicities, I don't think one group was lampooned any more than the other. Shut the fuck up and be entertained or... don't. Simple. Don't watch it/fall into the plot-holes/cry. It's easy to walk away from the summer season, but if you do want to participate, I think you have to dial down the rhetoric and get over the fact that Spielberg et al won't let you write that Transformers sequel for them...
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Jun 24, 2009 4:56:52 AM CDT
joshuavance1701,YOU LOST THE ARGUMENT WHEN YOU USED THE WORD....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Used the work “Art” in reference to Orci and Kurtzman and I’d rather not achieve success at the cost of having that success mean that my “societal influence” is through writing a 200 million dollar piece of shit that will no doubt make 1 billion worldwide because there are that many fucking retards like you out there that will gorge on this shit like Knowles at an all you can eat buffet even though I have to give Harry credit for trashing this garbage even though that’s because the studio probably didn’t cut him a large enough check. Through their contributions Orci and Kurtzman only help to drive North American cinema into the ground by reinforcing the misconceptions of idiotic Hollywood executives who think that you need to spend the gross national product of a small country on a pile of garbage, directed by an ADD juvenile delinquent hack with severe arrested development issues and written by three chimps that write their scripts using the highly intellectual process of shoving their fingers up their assholes and finger painting the script on the wall as Uncle Spielberg takes a picture of it before showing it to ILM and saying “DO THAT!”. But it’s not Shakespeare and I should just shut my brain off, right? It’s just about robots that turn into stuff so I shouldn’t expect anything in regards to thematic subtext or characterization, right? I should just buy my ticket and make sure I have a bib to catch my drool as ILM’s effects reel and Megan Fox’s skanky ass parades in front of me for two hours, right? No thanks and expecting me to do so is like expecting Jews to go on vacation at Auschwitz and enjoy it. In closing I’m glad that you enjoy paying good money to be treated like a moron and that’s because you are one. Fuck you.
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nuff said
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Just to pick you up on: 'These mother fuckers have achieved more in 10 minutes of their lives than any of you fat pieces of shit will achieve in a life-time.' There's no point arguing about the QUANTITY of achievement, it's the QUALITY that counts. Which is why Jean Vigo's four short movies are a bigger cultural achievement than 2,497 hours of THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL. I personally think that Lucas and Cameron have achieved a lot. They have created mythologies that are still ringing round our heads - even if we don't like EVERYTHING they've done. But to say that the world is a better, richer place because films my Michael Bay and Stephen Sommers exist - well there my friend you lost me. By your logic, any film deserves applause because someone got off their ass and made it.
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I am whining because I seriously believe that this shit (TF2) should NOT be endured, 1) because it doesn't care about character or story in any meaningful way, and 2) because it has a rotten heart that wants to make $ off kids and doesn't care how it does so.
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This site gets worse and worse every fucking day!!!! I can't believe your trying to boycott this film? That's pathetic Harry, let us the diehard film lovers decide for ourselves if it's worth it. You love alot of shitty movie's, why can't other people too? Not saying this movie is crap, cause i have yet to see it. But Harry...really a boycott?
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Jun 24, 2009 5:08:42 AM CDT
I seriously wonder if Spielberg was thinking of Mudflap & Skids
by eveelcapitalist
So I hear there's a moment which makes Obama look like an asshole, wanting to sacrifice LeBouf to the Decepticons. Is that what it comes down to for you, Harry? Making the Chosen One look bad? Can't have that, can we.
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Never EVER commented before on this site, but had to respond.
Joshuavance1701:
I know you’re right, YOU know you’re right. In fact, it’s obvious to most casual observers of this site that the talk-backers (especially the fervently vicious ‘regulars’) have no real life to speak of, and no real talents (hell, most of their comments criticizing Harry’s bad writing look as if they themselves were turned out by retards).
But there’s a group of us out here (and it’s growing…not exponentially, mind you, but slow and steady) who are entertained by these ‘talkbackers’. They have become our circus geeks.
So don’t get yourself all bent out of shape over them, and for God’s sake, don’t challenge them to ‘accomplish’ anything! A few might actually try, and then what would happen to the society at large? We shutter to think of the consequences of THAT one!
These people exist for one reason, and one reason only: to entertain through their ignorance. So, to challenge the validity of their comments at any level is futile.
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Josh, just read your whole post - god that is so offensive. No wonder you didn't find TF2 offensive! So, if you don't want anyone who hasn't made a movie to criticise one... er, what are you doing on this site? This site where the viewing public opine about films, as it is their right to do. And Tinsel: that's totally fine if you want to decide for yourself, but you gotta understand that this site is all about reviews, in which someone who has seen the film writes about it so that someone who hasn't can decided whether to go see it. Not exactly a mind-blowing concept, hm? (Or maybe you guys just don't like it when the predominant opinion is against a film you like, or want to like.)
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Fuck the children. The film was a great popcorn flick. I saw it in a large group tonight with about three black guys included and they didn't know what the big deal was about the twins.
One of them actually wondered why a bunch of white critics were crying on the behalf of blacks, as if to say "Don't show this to them, they can't handle it."
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They all faced the public embarassment of saying ''we'r going to be in the movie business'' both Knowles and those jealous fuckers at chud. and now, we hear not a word about any of it. HAHAHAHAHAHA you stupid wankers.
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people will slurp it up like the cock sucking shitheads they are.
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I love that you came to talk but it's like a mouse walking into a circle of cats. sure you might have their attention, but one of those fuckers will pounce and as soon as the smell of blood hits the others noses you'll be torn to shreds. and the cats that were willing to hear the plight of the lowly mouse will have no choice but to 'sigh'. that said, man star trek was fucking insane cool. my friends and i still talk about it - as in, prime conversation always..... can't wait for the next one. but please don't just do more of the same. really stretch your wings on the next one... it is after all, star trek, and i'd hate to think the first one was just a fluke...
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just saw it in korea today. sfx were good, for the most part, really fake looking in others. this move is made for kids, i'm 37, not made for me.
be prepared to correct tons of geographical errors in this film, as Bay shits all over the atlas, from the location of the pyramids, to the Smithsonian. I can overlook some things for the sake of the plot but to have our heroes walk out of the Smithsonian and into the desert is just insane beyond words. no explanation given.
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Harry,are you serious about this shit about Lucas being racist?
come on,and then you keep on writing great about Frank Miller or Robert Rodriguez,....those are really racist & misogynistic.And don't say that this kind of movies,Lucas ones ,are fore children,because movies like 300,Sin city are the same but for 30 year old ones.So...come on.It looks like something personal -
Actually Gorilla I havent given my opinion on the film Transformers one way or the other, I saw it, whether I liked it or not isn't really relevant to the point of small dicks like this Charles Thomas avergageJoe ass munch that presumes to have an opinion about films and has never directed a successful shit in the toilet, much less a summer tent-pole film. Liking or disliking a film is irrelevent. It's called behaving like a human being towards your fellow human beings, and not some turgid fuck face like Charles bastard up there insulting someone that makes a living doing what he loves like Bob Orci. Hey Chuck you puke faced piece of shit, no one GIVES a shit you felt intellectually violated by the film. That's the whole point here. The fucking internet gives voice to those that simply. don't. fucking. matter.
Oh but my how they creep out from every nook and cranny throwing their pig shit faced little opinions around with a sense of ENTITLEMENT. Now Charles you pedantic half-baked piece of shit, you may kindly wrap your car around a tree and burn and rot in hell. -
I know that this won't be read by Harry...but needed to say it since a long time
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Seriously, props to you for having the guts to come on here and face up to angry critics. That takes huge freakin' balls and I think we can all respect that, regardless of what we think of this movie. Personally, I'm holding out hope for this one and will see it in the next couple of days. The first one was fun with its groan inducing moments (actually saw it twice in the theatres and bought the DVD), and I'm checking this one out based on that and my love of the 80s toys, comics, and cartoon. I honestly haven't seen much of your other stuff, but I'm hoping what you wrote made it into the final cut and blows me away. Hopefully the rest of the movie will too. The reviews and most recent trailers have me a little unsure about it though...
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I was blown away. The action scenes were insane and the audience applauded multiple times throughout including (most importantly) at the end.
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I should be jealous of drug dealers, prostitutes and country western singers. But I’m not because they contribute nothing of worth to our society just like Orci and Kurtzman. dude, drugs are great - its the users who have the problem. prostition (while i heed my fathers advice never to pay for it) is an honest buck and could well be a deterant to rapists. Country music... sure it's shit, but it has it's fans. what do you listen too?
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Protest everything about it.
You can start by taking down the Transformer side banners that pop up when you first log in on this site.
Let's face it Harry...
You set out to hate this movie months before it was released.
What? None of you never watched a Godzilla movie? They weren't Oscar award winning either but they sure were fun. And the special effects were NO WHERE near what they are able to do nowadays.
Transformers is based on a goofy kid cartoon, I expected a goofy ass movie with the first one as well as a even more ridiculous sequel.
What is the point of Aintitcoolnews, when "cool" shit gets bashed around here every two minutes?
SUMMER BLOCKBUSTERS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LOUD AND RIDICULOUS---yes even Batman Returns!
Here you have a movie with giant robots, shit blowing up everywhere and a hot chick. I thought you guys were geeks? You guys just sound old and bitter.
If this movie came out lets say 15 or 20 years ago before you could spew hatred all over the internet, you guys would've been creaming in your pants for it.
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For those who haven't seen it yet, and are hardcore Transformers fans. Prepare that experience that agonizing feeling you suffered after walking out of the Phantom Menace, only a 1000 times worst.
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,Everone will love this moive if if they just go to seeit and stiop being so stupid becase its best moviei ever saw and its best choise of all the movies so shut fuck up then .!you dont knwo what your saying about and you proberly likr moveis about , danceirs and stufdents and is a joke for you to speek about thismovie bcease you dont know what what your saying about doyou then ?stop to say these stupid things about racist becase its fukcing lie reely so shut fuck up then !i see it in egnland when im visits my dad and nobody of england did cheer at end but i did for long time cheer at theend becase im proud to be amerincan and if you ar eporoud to be ameican then you will have to watch this moive becase if if you dont you ar e not patroit becase its about america is best country of world and nichale bay is best directing in world for actoin and esploions andspecail affects !so go to fuckingsee it then !
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ah you got that cock out of your mouth long enough to type more retarded dribble...please let us know if in fact this is a genius bit of Borat style comedy or you're genuinely the aborted fuckhead dropkick you sound like.
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needs work.
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If you think this will be terrible, don't FUCKING SEE IT. That's the only way to send a message to the studios. Money is the only language they speak.
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Are peoples hopes and prayers so pinned on a movie that it can affect them psychologically in such a manner? Is that truly possible? If so, isn't that something worthy of discussion in and of itself? The Psychological implications?
I've never in my entire life felt so utterly dissapointed by a film that I couldn't sleep over it. That's actually sad and worthy of empathy someone could experience such a plight.
CRUSHED by The Phantom Menace? Maybe these films here aren't the true issues here, but rather, the reactions to them.
I go to the God damn movies to be entertained. ENTERTAINED. Escapist shit you know? I don't seek intellectual enlightenment or spiritual edification, and frankly, if people do, there's a serious emotional problem involved. Help is available professionally. If it's intellectual enlightenment you seek read a book, trust me they still print them. If it's spiritual edification attend church. Attending films for anything other than a sensory experience is assinine. People have WAAAAAY too high of expectations and projecting their own personal views rather than simply accepting something for it's own merits at face value and either enjoying it or not enjoying it. Anything else stinks of self-ingratiation. -
Jun 24, 2009 5:56:58 AM CDT
pleasedont, YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE LIKE joshuavance1701 ACCOMPLISH
by charlesthomasmathews1978
By settling for less and accosting others for not doing likewise, they accomplish the lowing of standards which is why a large portion of the USA’s population now thinks that TORTURE is justified. It’s our standards as a society, as a culture and as a people that made the USA the shining beacon of civilization and it is people like you and joshuavance1701 who are driving not only cinema but the quality of our life into the ground. You know what people like me accomplish by bitching and complaining? Progress. A word that regressive asswipes like the two of you wouldn’t know the fucking meaning of because you’re to busy watching ASS in a movie theatre. In relation to cinema, it’s was the filmmakers of the 60’s and 70’s who railed against big budget generic Hollywood shit and created the greatest era in the history of North American cinema by not settling for less. pleasedont and joshuavance1701, YOU are what’s wrong with society today as there are millions of retarded mongoloid fucksticks just like you and that’s because your generation has been cowed with reality TV and gadgets. You have no taste and are too dumb to appreciate quality cinema and although not every movie has to be Citizen kane or The Seventh Seal there is no reason that a movie with a budget of 200 million dollars shouldn’t be expected to have a reasonable intelligent, coherent screenplay written by people who have an IQ high enough to operate a spoon. By settling for less people like you reward mediocrity and ensure that Hollywood will continue as a trash factory and make movies that are insulting to anyone except for you and that’s because you have a terminal case of teh stoopid.
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Dude, I've had a webcomic reviewed on AICN. By your logic, I have more right to complain about Michael Bay than anyone who hasn't - but would still be miles behind Bay on the ladder. You're using an odd logic, whereby each person on the pecking order is somehow more entitled (yet not entitled enough) to criticise a director. Right up until they hit Lucas level, and then (by virtue of their success) aren't open for criticism. Oh, and I'm not trying to come across as a big-shot. I got a review up here, yet I earn a miniscule fraction in a year of what Michael Bay makes in ten minutes.
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So you're not a Patriot if you don't cheer that $200+ million was spent on a piece of shit film? Hardly a surprise that people aren't patriotic given how much trouble your country is in financially.
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Just look at him, read his posts and really analyze how this prick sounds.
It's TRANSFORMERS you cocksucking moronic turgid piece of flotsam. Lowering standards?? Let me clarify for you so there's no mis-understanding fucker, it's TRANSFORMERS. It's a movie, about robots, that turn into cars. Do you get that through your fucking head? Your expectations are what is flawed asshole. Once again, it's TRANSFORMERS. Finally to re-iterate, it's TRANSFORMERS.
This isn't Lawrence of Arabia or Spartacus or Citizen Kane you anhedonic piece of shit, it's a film about ROBOTS that turn into CARS. Get that through your fucking head. I challenge YOU , or any screen-writer of the last 50 years to pen a screenplay worthy of Sir Lawrence Olivier about the premise of CARS that turn into ROBOTS. You God damn idiot. Your perpective is utterly skewed and simpleton.
As far as "My generation" and reality TV and gadgets. I was born in 1973 and I'm 36 years old and SAW Star Wars in the cinema in '77 you trisby 21 chromosome lacking fat mother fucker. You address me as MR. VANCE. -
I SURE LOVE BEIN' A TRANSFORMIN' ROBOT! SHEEEEEEEEEEEIT!!! what crack were they smoking when they thought that was a good idea?
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"I go to the God damn movies to be entertained. ENTERTAINED. Escapist shit you know? I don't seek intellectual enlightenment or spiritual edification, and frankly, if people do, there's a serious emotional problem involved. Help is available professionally. If it's intellectual enlightenment you seek read a book, trust me they still print them. If it's spiritual edification attend church. Attending films for anything other than a sensory experience is assinine. People have WAAAAAY too high of expectations and projecting their own personal views rather than simply accepting something for it's own merits at face value and either enjoying it or not enjoying it. Anything else stinks of self-ingratiation." Nice argument. Them books is smart becuz I herd it in skool!!! Not like mooviez, theyre all about love and relashonships and aliens and stuff! Never mind the fact that cinema HAS JUST AS MUCH POTENTIAL to inspire the mind and the soul as any other medium. Remember that: cinema is an ARTISTIC MEDIUM. People like me and the people you're arguing with BELIEVE IN CINEMA and its capability to touch us, and obviously you don't, because books are superior and films can't really reach greatness...why exactly? Because they have already and they can continue to get greater and greater and increase in artistic accomplishment IF and ONLY IF we fight the battle against lowered expectations and intelligence, as epitomized by colossal cultural black holes like this film, NOW.
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The Presidents liaison who was a bumbling fucking idiot was the stereotypical image that the far right perpetually depict. He was portrayed as an anti-military pacifist. Fuck you Michael Bay. I can't wait until Avatar kicks your ass into the sirius star system and beyond.
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I'm not dismissing popcorn or escapist movies. I love them as much as the next guy, probably more (really), provided that they're good. But there's nothing good about film's like this. In fact, a culturally and morally reprehensible film like this is anti-good.
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He should've, but he didn't.
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What is Hollywood smoking these days???
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It's called having the wisdom to not walk into a filom called TRANSFORMERS expecting it to "have the potential to move me intellectually or spiritually." Let me make it abundantly clear for you as well. It's called TRANSFORMERS. It's a film about robots that turn into cars. Save your faux arm-chair critiques for the Independent film channel and movies that have the "potential".
That's my whole fucking point here. If you expected to walk into a movie called TRANSFORMERS expecting ANYTHING but what was served up, you are not only ill-advised you are a sheer idiot. -
....so it gets a ridiculous review.
Harry you sure this is not your ST review instead as that was a massive POS. TF2 is nowhere near as bad and all the negatives are ludicrous as its only designed to be a lightweight summer popcorn flick.
There are zero racial stereotypes in this, remember how all the robots learnt everything they know from the WWW well obviously the 2 your offended by goggled rappers or street gangs!
Geez how hard is it to join the dots. Everyone knows if TF2 gave AICN an exclusive or advanced showing and or lots of freebies the reviews are suddenly positive!! -
Jun 24, 2009 6:22:20 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, BY YOUR DEFINITION THE DARK KNIGHT WAS....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Only a movie about a guy dressed as a bat fighting a guy dressed like a clown and, yet, Christopher Nolan was able to create a movie that was rich in character while layering subtext and meaning to those concepts while you sound like a stupid fucking cunt that would prefer Batman & Robin. Take your head out of your asshole as you could use the oxygen you fucking brain dead pleb.
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is the reason Star Trek was good. Without him, you get the likes of this pile of shit.I can only imagine who would've been peeing on whom in Star Trek if he hadn't been involved...
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Jun 24, 2009 6:25:31 AM CDT
MR. VANCE, THEN YOU'RE A 36 YEAR OLD STUPID CUNT PROBABLY...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
From the South.
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Jun 24, 2009 6:27:41 AM CDT
WELL SAID Projectedlight, I NOW HEART YOU AND WANT YOU TO BUM ME
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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The Dark Knight was a film about a guy that dressed up as a Bat to fight a guy that puts makeup on to be a clown. Let's keep some perpspective here. The parts that make up the whole are BY FAR as ridiculous as cars that turn into robots. "Layering subtext and meaning to the concept?" You are a fucking imbecile. Listen to you prick, "I found enlightenment in a movie, I learned about subtext and characterization, innuendo, sardonism, irony, metaphor, and situational context. Batman was nirvana because he was morally ubiquitous and grey, and Joker well, he was clearly the bad guy I could root against, because darker themed movies are by virtue thematically adult in their execution. "
Congratulations you small fucker, your parents FAILED you.
Now go watch WATCHMEN dick face. While you're at it, kill yourself and conserve some oxygen for the remaining 6 billion of us. -
Right or wrong, you're a fucking prick. Wanting people to kill themselves is crossing the line, you utter twat!
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first we get the Twilight movies with their Mormon subtext and now this?
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But this little patsy pasty fat cunt having the luxury of hiding behind the anonymity of the internet as he spews his vitriol is entirely indicative of small cunts completely enabled by their mommies.
You have that luxury Charles you fat cunt, however, I can unequivocally assure you my fat little friend, if proximity and your anonymity werent your cushions, I'd knock your fucking head off. You can take that to the bank. -
Jun 24, 2009 6:39:21 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, YOU KNOW NOTHING AND UNDERSTAND LESS....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I'm guessing that you voted for McCain and Palin. It must be wonderful going through life oblivious to any deeper meaning to anything nor even gaining a greater knowledge of ones self and the world around you. You are MTV, you are Coca-cola, you are McDonalds, you are a mainstream drone content with the shit that is fed to you like a mushroom in the darkness of your own ignorance.
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You piece of shit I'm a Democrat and have voted Democrat since 1992 in every election how about you fuck face? Not only are you ignorant you are a presumptuous asshole that falls back to assuming and by virtue TRULY makes an ass of yourself. I'm college educated fucker how about you? What do you have? I work for the Federal government and sell paintings fucker what do you have, what do you do? What do you bring to the table other than your ass shaped mouth?
You are SMALL, very small and lacking in significance. You are a failure of a human being and get on a talkback to spread your self misery. You represent everything that is fundamentally flawed with this society today you EMO sack of shit. -
Jun 24, 2009 6:47:27 AM CDT
joshuavance1701 IS DEFINATELY A CONSERVATIVE...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Just look at how he resorts to threats of violence just because he can't shout down someone with a different or opposing view. Good thing that there are millions of dumb shits like him lining up to put more money into Bay’s pocket thus fueling his lifestyle of hookers and blow. I wonder how joshuavance1701’s head doesn’t cave in from the atomic levels of stoopid this shit flinging chimp has in his brain.
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"The amount of foul language popping out of their mouths is astonishing, especially with the shit, bitch, muther..., ass, pussy, etc...
What the hell is this stuff doing in a TRANSFORMERS movie?
Anyone?"
Well dude, this is 2009 not 1966 or 1986 and that's how the youth speak! You ever watch The WIre? Sorry but its a TF film set in the now and from the MTV to the digital radio, the hip hop, the R&B and the dead studio gangsters, the Niggaz and the Wiggaz.. this is how they speak and act and how the youth around the world adopt it as their own. Here in the UK every kid talks that way and I'm BLACK! It's not a black thing, its an American street culture thing so calling it racist is being short sighted and simply looking to make it out to be worst than it is! The movie is the best popcorn flick of the summer and as entertaining as the first if you enjoyed that. If you didn't enjoy the first movie then there will be NOTHING for you this time around either. I wish people would stop trying to make out this film promised so much and delivered so little, it did exactly what it promised to do for those who ere entertained the last time. Same crew, same cast, same writers and director.. what here you hates expecting to be different about the movie this time then? More fool you! -
You're just a spoonfed little fuck that mommy over-indulged and daddy didn't play with and you relate to Optimus Prime as a father figure clearly because your parents failed rearing you hence the disrespectful spoiled cunt you turned out to be.
See in the real world when you get away from World of Warcraft you virginal cunt, when someone of modest celebrity graces you with their presence when they don't have to, there is a behavioral etiquette called courtesy wherein you address that individual with all the respect and courtesy you would God damn want for yourself, and not resort to attacking said celebrity with your piece of shit hyperbolic rhetoric as you did to Bob Orci. His celebrity status is actually irelevent, he is a person you tired cunt and even if you LOATHE the results of the mans efforts, what the fuck gives you the right to lambast him in a public forum like a small penised shithead when all you have to say to the man is "I didn't care for your product" and I daresay he would get the fucking hint. You owe Bob Orci an apology you spineless cowardly mother fucker. bnecause everything you have said here in these talkbacks you DAMN sure wouldn't say to any recipients face. That's the bottom fucking line here. -
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You're both nucking futs!!!!
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Jun 24, 2009 7:00:03 AM CDT
I WOULD NEVER SAY ANYTHING HERE THAT I COULDN'T SAY
by ayatollahsexyback
in person. Except "Too Soon." That just confuses people because they don't know the context.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:00:07 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, I HAVE THIS I HAVE THAT BAH BLAH BLAH.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
It must be terrible to have to constantly feel as though your worth as a human being is determined just how fancy your shit is or how much money you have. It’s also typical that you are a liar claiming to be a Democrat when everything you have said clearly indicates that you are a Conservative i.e. greedy, selfish, stupid and short sighted. It’s also sadly pathetic that you need possessions or status to make you feel more like a man. What’s worse is the way you cheerlead someone like Michael Bay and his script monkeys for raking in cash making garbage that won’t stand the test of time. Orson Well’s died broke but he will always be remembered for Citizen Kane long after Bay is dead and I hope that you enjoy what you think is important in life because you can’t take it with you when you die.
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It just pisses me off when failure to launch fat little fingered piece of shit assholes like this clown sit at their fucking computer and talk to someone any fucking way they want with no regard or courtesy or RESPECT to them as a person. Bob Orci didn't fucking deserve that shit regardless of what someone thinks of the mans movies. Words hurt mother fuckers. Words can fucking hurt and people like this fat piece of shit Charles or whoever should be more fucking conscious of that when someone visits these forums to get feedback from the "fans". This bastard attacked Bob Orci personally and that was completely irrelevent to Bob Orci's writing or screenplays.
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and get fuckin serious..these films are ABSOLUTELY aimed at that age group...and the sexual content and language was totally inappropriate. Hey put whatever the fuck you want in a film, but the ratings system needs to be HONEST. THAT"s the point
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Jun 24, 2009 7:04:45 AM CDT
LIBERALS BASHING EACH OTHER AND A BLACK GUY WHO THINKS
by ayatollahsexyback
the Sambots are okay.
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...PEOPLE ARE STILL POURING INTO CINEMAS TO SEE IT HOUR AFTER HOUR DAY AFTER DAY. ALL THE HATIN IN THE WORLD WONT STOP IT. ITS LIKE ASKING MICHAEL BAY NOT TO BLOW STUFF UP ANYMORE. I LAUGH AT THE ANGER OF THE HATERS. IT MAKES ME HAPPY.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:14:29 AM CDT
I HAVE HEARD JOSH AND CHARLES' ARGUMENTS, SO HERE IS MY FATWA.
by ayatollahsexyback
Josh. Clearly you are a Liberal because you have empathy even for those you disagree with.
Charles. Clearly you too are a Liberal because you are rationally passionate and you write intelligently.
Verdict: Continue, both, to do what you are doing. This is a free country. Our Grand Ayatollah Knowles enforces the tradition of free speech. Bob Orci is a big boy and has thick skin. If he feels offended he will lash back. He is aware of talkbacks' unruliness and brutal honesty.
You have been fatwa'd.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:15:51 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, VIRGIN? WORLD OF WARCRAFT? PROJECT MUCH?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Typical conservative behavior of claiming your opponent of everything that you are. Also, I’ll talk shit to Orci all I like as he and Bay drive North American cinema even further down the shitter with every ridiculously expensive piece of trash that they make while a cock slobbering 36 year old dickless pussyface flames me for not being as dumb and easily entertained as him. College huh? I know they have affirmative action for minorities in the States but I didn’t know they did that for retards. How much did your crash helmet cost, eh Corky?
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Jun 24, 2009 7:16:14 AM CDT
White people offended by "racism" that really isnt...
by dailysportspages
Are generally self loathing closet racists themselves.
They just cant admit it.
Was it racist when the original animated Jazz was voiced by Scatman Crothers in full jive ebonics?
Of course not... unless you really just disliked hearing how a large percentage of the black community actually speak.
Of course the real truth as to why Whites find depictions of Blacks talking in that fashion has to do more with how they want black people to act, talk, live, be.
And wanting another culture to be more like your own and less like theirs can only be one thing... racism.
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So you think Al Jolson in blackface is okay?
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And you think portraying Jews as money grubbers with big noses is okay? Because judging from your argument, there's no such thing as stereotyping and it's anything goes.
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But pricks like that just don't encourage more visits from people inside the industry. This is supposed to be a website and forum that celebrates the art of film. A screen-writer visits and he gets THAT fucking reception? Big boy or not it just shows what lowest common denominator frequents this website and actually Harry should institute a polcy of fucking BANNING people that arbitrarily bash visiting celebrities.
Here we have a fucking perfect opportunity to interact with someone that writes screenplays for major motion pictures and can hear and learn about the process involved , choices made, and he gets a reception like that from a pice of shit that has never done anything with his life? It's disrespectful, and my Grandmother would have slapped a stupid ass like that across the cheek. -
What are your thoughts about the recent Burger King controversy? You think the Mexicans had a legitimate gripe? I mean, they are on average a smaller people, so why shouldn't they be portrayed as a veritable midget next to a white cowboy, right?
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Jun 24, 2009 7:23:38 AM CDT
Its even more retarded if the "racism" would be ok if the movie
by dailysportspages
Its even more retarded if the "racism" would be ok if the movie was not aimed at children.
So racism is ok, just not for our kids?
And i find it hard for someone who runs a website which frequently runs articles by its writers (including Harry) talking about all sorts of obscene stuff (not obscene to me of course) like cum covered pussy lips and dick blood and pussy juice, etc...
I didnt know that this site had an R rating?
You would think that Harry would think twice about all of his obscenities if he knew how many kids read his site?
Its not like constant attention to movies like Spiderman, Star Wars, Transformers, Ironman, Batman, etc... is something that is made and marketed to attract CHILDREN!
Fucking hypocrite.
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in the New Trek talkbacks. He's probably still wiping off the cum from those encounters.
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should swap face slapping stories!
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I'm off to the Mousavi rally.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:31:44 AM CDT
AyatollahSexyBack, ORCI CAN CRY IN HIS PILES OF MONEY....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I'm sure he's had lots of practice when he goes to see his parents and his father starts screaming at him “FARTING FUCKING BLACK HUMPING ROBOTS YOU MOTHERFUCKER, WHEN YOUR MOTHER TOLD ME SHE WAS PREGNANT I KNEW I SHOULD HAVE PUNCHED HER IN THE FACE AND KICKED HER IN THE STOMACH UNTIL SHE ABORTED, NOW LOOK AT THE SHAME I HAVE TO FUCKING ENDURE!!!” before he starts breathing into a paper bag filled with spray paint as his mother starts in “THE TRUTH IS THAT WHEN I WAS GIVING BIRTH I ACCIDENTALLY SHIT ON THE TABLE, THE DOCTOR THEN MISTOOK THAT SHIT FOR LOOKING SO MUCH LIKE YOUR FATHER, WRAPPED YOU UP AND HANDED YOU TO ME. I WAS SO FUCKED UP ON MEDS THAT I DIDN’T NOTICE THE REAL BABY THAT FELL OUT OF MY VAG ONTO THE FLOOR AND WAS LATER SWEPT INTO THE TRASH. HAD I KNOWN THAT UNCLESAMBOTS WAS GOING TO BE THE RESULT I WOULD HAVE STUCK A SHOTGUN UP MY SNATCH AND PULLED THE MOTHERFUCKING TRIGGER”. I can only imagine that this is mild compared to what happens at the Bay household at thanksgiving.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:37:52 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, YEAH WE CAN LEARN WHO'S COCK ORCI HAS SUCKED...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
To get where he is considering that I’ve seen letters written by John Graziano post car crash that are more coherent and more insightful than anything this thundering D-bag has written.
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See the diffeerence is Bob Orci can improve his shit screen plays, you, you on the other hand, are stuck being the small, lonely, UGLY person inside that you are. Forever, and ever, and ever. How must that feel?
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Ever seen Short Round in temple of doom? (or goonies, for that matter?) But, you know, asian stereotypes are o.k.
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It's been crazy to me to see people kiss Orci's ass just because he graced the TB's with his presence. Glad to see you weren't intimidated or starstruck (unlike another AICN reviewer) and called TRANFORMERS 2 out on it's racist undertones and other shortcomings. Kudos to you, sir.
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Blackface = Act used by whites to imitate the common black slave, most of the time for ridicule.
Obviously something that is meant to offend blacks.
Moneygrubbing Jews = Fear of Jews control over major elements of power in society.
Again, obviously used in order to offend Jews and/or scare people into hating Jews.
Ebonics = HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE TALK. Its everywhere, specially in big cities/urban areas. Turn on your TV... listen to music. Hell if you are a White middle aged parent, guess what, there is a good chance your KIDS probably talk like that too.
Look, i didnt enjoy those parts of the movie as much as some people did, but i dont think it was racist. Just not that funny other than in about 2 or 3 moments. They went overkill, as Bay tends to do.
This isnt the same as blackface... because Black Urban Vernacular is part of our society, its inescapable. Its not even a black thing anymore... Whites have co-opted it and use it more than Blacks. (simple due to the larger amount of Whites than Blacks in America)
And its not just whites, Latinos/Asians/Indians/Arabs/Jews, etc... ive heard all sorts of diverse racial group speak exactly the same way as those two characters did.
Im sorry White people, i know you hate that your country is not "pure" anymore... but this is your Ameria now. A little blacker and browner than you may prefer.
Burger King = If that offends you, then you are a fucking retard. With apologies to all mentally challenged people.
A retard is a person who is of right mind but is so warped by bullshit that he might as well be mentally challenged.
My father is Mexian, and my mother is from El Salvador, but i consider myself Mexican... i did not find that ad insulting on any level.
I also got the joke about "a little spicy mexican", it was great.
Most Mexican people arent even offended because of that part, they are offended due to the deep institutionalized homophobia of many Mexicans. And to them, that ad was filled with latent homo-eroticism.
And the other major group that is pissed about this is the Mexican government itself.
But that is because in their constitution it is illegal to use the flag in this type of fashion. They are VERY strict with things like desecration of their flag... its actually illegal in Mexico to drape it over yourself or use it in comedic entertainment like this.
This world, specially the US... is simply WAY too politically correct.
Its really really sad.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:50:06 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, IT FEELS LIKE THE TOUCH OF A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
So you'll never know.
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You guys stand up and call out the offensive shit that can damage the BOYS of today.....
*HUGE FUCKING EYEROLL*
Harry, sometimes your fucking scale of things is out of whack.
Yes, it's a shit movie but ask yourself is it going to do any more damage than has already been done??
Mori was right when he said that this is the congolmeration of what box office fanboys have been asking for in the last decade. And the hyped up reviews bitch beasting, blowing shit up is a part of that. You have to realize that you are a part of the disease.
The rub is that you can't change. Rememeber when Drew had a kid? And he started reflecting that conciousness into his reviews? Dickwad Talkbackers tore him apart; saying he "lost" something meanwhile none of them supposing that he actually GAINED another perpective.
Are you gaing a perpective, Harry?
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Jun 24, 2009 7:57:20 AM CDT
Again, if you think the Burger King-Mexican ad is racist.
by dailysportspages
Then you need to familiarize yourself with one of the worlds greatest literary works by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra.
As this was a classic take on the Don Quixote/Sancho Panza dynamic.
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Sure it is not shakespeare or will go down in movie history but it is fun and as much as I think an improvement over the original. I like Michael Bay movies and I didn't notice the two and a half hours. The action is fine and I agree that I dislike the parents but the twins or the Balls did not anger me mind you I didn't find Jar Jar Binks to be as bad as some would have me believe. The worst film ever, no I say 2001 is the worst. Worst sequal, No, I say AVP2 is worst. No this is just another big summer movie it won't win any oscars beyond fx but it isn't the worst film this year. And to all those who hate Michael Bay, why go the see his movies? Leave that to those of us who LIKE his movies.
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Go to Hitfix and read what Drew has to say. After I read Drew's review it became abundantly clear that Harry's review is amatuerish to say the least.
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Is that there is not ONE SECOND of this film that isn't completely informed by what we saw in the first installment. If you saw that movie, you are getting precisely more of the same with this one, in a larger helping. Everyone is picking at the margins again because there is nowhere else to go to slam this anymore than the whole endeavor was slammed the last time around. But yeah it is too long by like a half-life. James Cameron might have dibs on my eyeballs but Bay destroyed my bladder.
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Please post more often.Nice creative insults.I might copy/paste some to use in the future.
And you have a point.If someone like that visits this place,regardless of wether you like their movie or not,you just don`t talk to them like that.
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and dimwitted.
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lol! like it's a fucking disease. Your're so fucking white.
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Watch these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN5RkRYsru0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2w8_37549M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffbekYOh04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClXzsZBGMA&feature=channel
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for real? This is in the movie?? wow
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...is the way the robots are treated by Bay.
They are always secondary to the humans.
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Transformers 2 or Terminator 4?
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Cause that really drives me bat shit. Fucking Robots.
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So I can review it...and because I haven't had my site up long enough, I'm not certified, so I have to pay for this.
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I've been hanging around here since before that kid was born. What have I been doing with myself? Why am i still here? Good grief.
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i am sorry sir,but i am going to ignore your pitiful prompt to boycott the film (i wonder why,didnt u get a free ticket for this too?) and laugh at your pathetic turd for a review.
I am very glad that your site doesnt have enough public power to influence the majority of the moviegoers.aicn maybe be the no1 cine news site,but like hell isnt going to turn people away from transformers because Harry says so.
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Where is the outrage for the good people of West Virginia who are depicted as inbred cannibals in the Wrong Turn franchise?
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All Lindleloff, I dont know why JJ has these two dipshits around? Maybe they are good at sucking Abram's dick and getting him smarties.
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thats a shame
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"I have all the seasons on dvd and have seen every episode, and you know what? They're fuckin' goofy as hell. "
And there's the thing fanboys will never remember. The source material WAS CRAP! The most we can hope for from the film is some great action scenes, and almost EVERY critic who's trashing the film has taken time out to say that the action shots were outstanding. Good, all I'm there for. It's not going to win a Best Pic Oscar, nor should it (not that The Academy ever really rewards the best film, since WALL-E didn't make it last year) but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy some offensive over-the-top action shit. Tools. -
sounds fucking atrocious!
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Jun 24, 2009 9:13:39 AM CDT
Strongly disliked "The Island"? It's his best movie!
by lanemyersclassic
C'mon Harry! You are all over the map!
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Jun 24, 2009 9:14:13 AM CDT
by the end of the week GOP will be raking this film over
by six demon bag
and its "liberal media"
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No, The Rock is.
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both are racists turds...
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How many time have we all read a review by Harry just teeming with obscene misogynistic bullpoop? You know talking about how sexual this or that movie made him feel how it made him jizz you know the drill! The last talkback comment I read from him a while had a zany homophobic comment about how he and someone else jack each other off while looking lovingly in each others eyes. Honestly read any review where Harry is trying to be all manly and stuff and just roll your eyes at all the amount of misogynistic sexual poop that that he publishes... Oh yeah and how about all those wacky sexually laced intros to scriptgirls column boobtube.. oh Harry you slay me! In closing I do not think Harry can take the moral highground, not when it comes to rude words and misogynistic behavour without seeming like a hypocrite. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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Yet another movie it's silly to expect character development from. Who in their right minds wants to see a TRANSFORMERS movie with character development? This isn't GOOD WILL HUNTING for fuck's sake! It's GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS KICKING THE CRAP OUT OF EACH OTHER!!! No more, no less. Let's stop expecting great acting and a touching story out of movies like this.
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To long, no character devlopment extremely noisy. CGI so much it looks like a cartoon. Looks just like a kid movie. I have heard all bad from many!bay is ruining Hollywood. CGI is the only thing he can do!
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Why can't we make fun of blacks without being called racists? Fifteen years ago, we could walk up to one and nickname them 'Kool and the Gang' even if there was no gang around, and everything WAS Kool! With that being said, I'm not interested in watching Transformers flatulate and urinate. I don't need my childhood raped any more than it already has been, thank you! But geez, Harry, didn't like Wolverine. Didn't like Terminator. Do you and the Aint it Cool folks like ANYTHING any more?
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That seems to be the response from a lot of people to the bad reviews: "Hey, what were you expecting? It's a popcorn movie about robots!" Valid point. Here's the thing though: it's not entertaining. It's long, boring, and yeah, offensive. Could've easily been cut down a half hour. When the action's not confusing, it's repetitive. Etc. Very disappointing.
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Come on guys. You don't go into these movies expecting a "There Will be Blood" or "Let the Right One In" cinematic experience experience. These are big loud, slam-bang action movies that are meant to showcase your home theater system 5 months from now on Blu-ray. I routinely pop in the first one and skip to the action stuff just to flex my speakers and annoy the neighbors.
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there really was a solid story in there amongst all of the horseshit. A story that, if properly handled, could have sustained two entire two hour films. The problem is that instead of spending quality time on that story and getting the characterizations of the newly introduced bots down solid, Bay tossed all character work out the window, slapped together a bunch of sloppy expositionary dialogue together that should have flowed naturally from a well told story given two films to form and flourish and padded out the rest of the horrorshow with dick and fart jokes any twelve year old with little to no imagination could have themselves thought up. It's really very sad. Had they truly given The Fallen a more thoroughly explained backstory (not to mention explaining to non-hardcor-Transformers fans just how and why the fuck it was that Megatron was subserviant to the guy) and given newly introduced bots like Sideswipe, Arcee, Jolt, etc. time to develop and shine, we could have had a very kick ass one two punch with a nice cliffhanger ending to this film leading into a third that tied things up with the Autobots leaving Earth after ultimately defeating the Decepticons. It would have been a great trilogy of films with enough open endedness for anyone to come in and carry on after that with a fresh, new approach. Unfortunately, I guess at the end of the day what I am forgetting is the very thing that I myself and so many others had been using as a crutch for the franchise... it's based on a cartoon. That's all Bay knew and apparently until he gets his ass removed from these films (fat chance considering the box office this thing is going to clock) that is all we are going to get from the motherfucker.
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Noting the obvious insanity of this ridiculous Talkback. "Did I just enter the goddamned Twilight Zone?"
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that was exactly what I was thinking as I read Harry's "review". But if there is one thing I have personally noticed about Harry over the past year or so since he got hitched, is that his overall personality seems to have been affected by the tragedy. I mean, the fucking guy loved Twilight for fuck's sake. Liking Godzilla or Armageddon is one thing. But fucking Twilight?
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I think its well-known that a lot of the stupider things in the Transformers films are the brainchild of Michael Bay. So ease up on the Orci hate until we get a better story from him regarding whose choices were the farting robots and whatnot. And honestly, the farting robot sounds like more of an aesthetic choice that was most likely Bay's. He looks at the finished shot and decides "Its not interesting enough, have that robot fart as it runs." That makes more sense to me than having a screenwriter write it. Also, I think Orci already confirmed the Twins came from Bay's head and they had to integrate it into the script.
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did i read this right? this is a family film right?
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Jun 24, 2009 9:53:11 AM CDT
The transformers in last year's Treehouse of Horror were way bet
by sick fixx
"Sex Toy! Where have you been?" "Where haven't I been?"
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AyatollahSexyBack, ORCI CAN CRY IN HIS PILES OF MONEY....
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And I'm mixed race (black and white). Great fucking movie! Bought the bootleg this weekend. I don't think anyone can call themselves a true fan of the old Disney films and not like it. And actually I came away from it thinking it was considerably less racist than Gone With The Wind. Please fight as hard as you can to get it released. And if you ever need a comment from a brother about it to back you up I got your back. Its a great film! Really beautiful actually.
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You give those guys JJ Abrams, you get Star Trek. You give them Michael Bay, you get this thing. I do think that these guys are trying to tell geek stories and do them justice. Ultimately I blame Spielberg for getting Bay involved in the first place. I mean, the fucking guys disses the shit out of Transformers when offered the project and now he has something like a 15% share of all movie related toy sales and other merchandise (as reported in a recent article on his financial rewards from becoming involved in the franchise). Bay is in it for NOTHING more than the money. He can try and claim that he has become a fan of the property all he wants. The shit playing out on the screen screams otherwise.
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sounds like its just bad and racist. Can't be down with that. And I didn't know that the Mudflap and Skids voices were done by WHITE actors. :( What the fuck are Bay and Spielberg thinking?
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You are name checked in the flick.
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I really should go to bed.
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George Lucas actually wanted Glynn Turman to play Han Solo and the studio wouldn't let him because it would have meant that there would be an interracial relationship with Han and Leia. Lucas' significant other is also black: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=407130 No he's not racist.
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As for Barack Obama. In the movie he was mentioned during the decepticon invasion and how he went into an undergroung bunker for his protection. At least Bay had the decensy to save him. If he was a racist, Obama would of been blown up by megatron.
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... THAT ALL OF THE CRITICISM I'VE HEARD REGARDING THE TWIN BOTS' STEREOTYPING IS COMING FROM WHITE PEOPLE.
ALSO, DID ANY OF YOU GET THE FEELING THAT MICHAEL BAY IS NOT THE BIGGEST OBAMA FAN? ONE OF MY FRIENDS, WHO WAS A BIG OBAMA SUPPORTER, WAS SO PISSED ABOUT THE POINT IN THE MOVIE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, GALLOWAY, SHUTS DOWN NEST ON PRESIDENT OBAMA'S ORDERS (THE MOVIE MAKES IT CLEAR HE'S PRESIDENT) BECAUSE THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE DECEPTICONS (I.E. GIVE UP SAM).
LENNOX POINTS OUT THAT YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THE DECEPTICONS AND DIPLOMACY WON'T WORK... THE SOLDIERS DISOBEY THE ORDER AND JOIN IN ON THE FIGHT WITH THE AUTOBOTS.
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You may have found the reason Billy! Maybe we should support Mr. Bay at least he has the balls like Roddenberry of showing real life in the guise of fiction.
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Good for you. This is some of your best work in awhile.
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...but I'm gonna get this on Netflix when it comes out, and literally just watch the action scenes...I really do want to see what they pulled off...as for the rest of it, why waste my time?
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...but I'm gonna get this on Netflix when it comes out, and literally just watch the action scenes...I really do want to see what they pulled off...as for the rest of it, why waste my time?
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That is some disturbing shit you've pointed out. Now I'm really bummed about this. I'm not the most politically correct person in the world but thats definitely gotta be on purpose. And he was a big McCain supporter. Man this depresses me. I just wish they could keep the politics out of a movie like this. Its supposed to be turn your brain off entertainment. I'm not looking for a pro Obama movie either. Just action and robot fights. This is really upsetting because I was very much looking forward to this film being a big action fan.
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FUCK THIS MOVIE!
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IMDB is reporting that Tom Kenny (white actor) voiced BOTH twins, but I've heard conflicting reports that Reno Wilson (an african american actor) voiced Mudflap and Kenny voiced Skids.... can someone tell me which is right?
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heavy spoilers!!
All the AICN reviewers ripped they shit outta this trashy ass fucking movie. AWESOME! I watched this shit online yesterday fucking horrible. Optimus kicks The Fallen's ASS in less then a FUCKING MINUTE!! WTF!!! Thats like Superman fighting Doomday and its lasting 1 fucking page. Thats like Goku fighting Freeza for 1 episode. Fucking horrible Bay is a master of action huh?? My fucking ass.. The forest fight was fucking weak. Good guy fights 3 get killed from BEHIND!! O wow the decepticons are so bad!! they have to stab in back to win.....literally. and its 3n1 wow there bad. O_o. Also all the money shots are in trailer excpet for scene where the big contruction robot forms. Now that was cool. I admit go ILM. and final desert battle is weak DONT BELIVE THE HYPE. its not 40 mintue fight more like 10. -
I thought only hardcore rightist wingnuts believed in that load of fucking bunk. This review just made me lose (more) respect for Knowles.
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Sorry, man. I'm a minority and I had absolutely no problems with the way Scatman did his voice work for the cartoon. And there isn't a gold tooth or "I can't read" moment in sight!
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Hi Harry...I'm an old poster here, since 1997. I'm interested: is is true that Megan Fox met Michael Turner at a comic convention when she was a kid, and they became friends? If so, I think Megan has the most potential of coming out of TF2 in one piece. Michael Bay and Shia LeBouf not so much.
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Since birth he was raised by a white mother and grandparents. Only in our polarizing race-centric society was he forced to claim to be 'black' when all that was necessary was for him to claim to be a good person and a good American.
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Jun 24, 2009 10:20:09 AM CDT
D.Vader, DON'T GIVE ME THAT SHIT, ORCI PUT HIS NAME ON THE FILM.
by charlesthomasmathews1978
And cashed the check. Also, writers have this habit of taking credit for everything that works in a film while telling everyone that all the shit was the director’s fault. He and Kurtzman have make who knows how many millions writing their shit so if you were asked by some nimrod Director "hey, what we need is two racially offensive robots that represent the worst stereotypes of blacks” wouldn’t the average person say something to the effect of “were making a movie based on a cartoon about robots that transform into vehicles Michael, were not trying to incite a racewar, so NO, I’m not writing that stupid shit and if you don’t like that then fire me so I can spend my time counting the millions I’ve already made while by my pool with my dick in some tight 18 year old pussy”. Of course none of these people are ever going to do that and it’s because Orci, Kurtzman and Kruger are whores with no integrity, willing to take it in the ass if the price is right.
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EXCEPT THAT THE FIRST ONE DESERVED AN OSCAR NEXT TO THIS TRAVESTY!!! AND IT WAS A LAME MOVIE!!
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Transformers2 is much like Aintitcoolnews.com
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Transformers2 is much like Aintitcoolnews.com... at least the talk back.
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about this film is that it sounds like all the so called un PC elements simply had no place in the film and in many cases detract from it. We can argue all we want about people being too sensitive. I like alot of things that I think most people with my background might not appreciate. For example one of my favorite movies of all time is Bakshi's Coonskin. But that whole film is ABOUT black stereotypes and its animated by many black animators and entirely voiced by black actors. And more importantly the subject called for that. I don't have any problems with Song Of The South. I don't have any problems with Robin Williams shit in Smoochy (which is hilarious BECAUSE ITS FUNNY!) Williams is a talented enough comedian that he can tread that line. Black people are not as sensitive about this kind of thing as many white people think it just has to be done well. This sounds like it was racism just for the sake of being racist and not funny. And that's not too cool.
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Jun 24, 2009 10:24:48 AM CDT
IMDB is wrong all over the place with the credits Billy BOOMSTIC
by d.vader
They still have John Turturro listed as the voice of Jetfire instead of Marc Ryan. So for now, don't trust them. Some AP report on Transformers confims Reno Wilson.
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Uhh, you think you wouldn't put your name on a film that would make a gazillion dollars? Honestly, you must have no concept of how screenwriting and working with producers and studio heads and the concept of "notes" works. Its been confirmed the Twins were Bay's idea. As was the line "I'm too old for this crap." Bay interjects a LOT of his own ideas into his films. And yet you're still blaming Orci for a lot of the bad shit. That's all I'm saying.
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That the voice actors and Bay pretty much made up their own dialogue in the recording sessions.
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And NONE of my friends,family or children talk like those to damn transfomers
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Jun 24, 2009 10:39:09 AM CDT
Guys we need to flood Hasbro/Paramount with emails, REMOVE BAY
by ganymede3010
Bay is a fucking cancer. This movie is lucky that's sitting at 22%, I can't wait until it drops to 10% where it belongs. What a fucking letdown. Not even a good popcorn movie.
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After some of these early “reviews” I was really expecting a mess of film, completely unwatchable, so imagine my surprise when I found the film not only entertaining but actually superior to the original in most ways. I guess what mystifies me is that there is a ton of geek stuff in this sequel that none of the detractors even mention and it really is pretty damn cool. The robots are all given much more personality, especially the Decepticons; Star Scream and Megatron actually have the same type of relationship they had in the cartoon and comics; Rampage, Soundwave’s beasty, is used pretty well here; the action is literally a dozen times better this go around with some truly incredible scenes; most of the humor is actually better than what was found in the first film and most of it works. As to the cries of racism, whatever. The whole idea behind the personalities of some of the robots is that they are emulating earth’s different popular cultures and while I found the twins to be annoying, they were hardly offensive. (They were also tossed on their ass by Bumblebee, which I thought was pretty cool.) I guess Harry expects us to believe that he is suddenly overly concerned with what the children are seeing these days despite the fact that Transformers has the same rating as just about every other summer blockbuster, all of which contain violence, profanity, sexual references, etc. Regardless, I thought it was a good time and certainly not the shitfest Harry and his band of merry fucktwits are claiming.
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Jun 24, 2009 10:40:44 AM CDT
"racist foul-mouthed robots that are built in monkey proportions
by ds9sisko
..roughly half of the people who post to these talkbacks.
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The blame falls squarely on Michael Bay's shoulders for taking a turd of a script and spinning it into a turd of a film.
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These bad reviews are written like they're "news." As if this is shocking.
Movies this bad are released ROUTINELY by Hollywood and Harry and his gang eat them up like chocolate-covered... oh you get the idea.
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signifying nothing. Dammit. I was really looking forward to this, too.
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Friends are talking about seeing this turd at the Orlando IMAX this saturday. No thanks. Gonna have to be an antisocial asshole this time...
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"The Twins are racists gold bucktoothed mongoloid faced thugged out "bust a cap in your ass" cussing hillbilly gangsters" Couldn't say it any better myself
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Jun 24, 2009 10:52:57 AM CDT
Thanks Harry, I am more excited than ever to see this movie...
by therealmikejames
Racsist, stereotyping, offensive fighting robots! Hot chicks showing off their goods! Goofy Shia and Taturro delivering bad writing! SOLD.
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Jun 24, 2009 10:54:40 AM CDT
D.Vader, NOT IF THE MOVIE WAS A PIECE OF SHIT I WOULDN'T....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
The point is that Orci, Kurtzman and Kruger are three hacks that kissed the right asses to get where they were and I haven't seen any of them use their position to get some high quality work done. Hey, everyone has to start somewhere and sometimes you need to whore yourself out and do what you have to do so that you can do what you want. But the three of them have had their names attached to how many high profile projects over the last few years and have made how many millions not to mention that everything they’ve done has been shit. I don’t see them taking time off from being Abram and Bay’s fluffers to do some work on their own and show off their abilities and that’s because they have nothing to offer apart from the trash that they’ve attach their names to.
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Nice review, H, a well measured, reasoned piece on why you didn't like the movie and it's messages.
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A lot of producers and studios don't care about the quality of the film, just how much money it made. Therefore, even if the movie is shitty but it makes a gazillion dollars, they'll look to the screenwriters and the director to capture some of that "money-making magic" again. And not to impugn your honor or anything, but I honestly don't believe any Talkbacker that says they wouldn't accept this kind of well-paying job or that they'd take their name off the film. Really, I don't buy that. Now, have Orci and Kurtzman done anything original, like you suggest they should be doing? I don't think so. Don't know their history. But a lot of screenwriters don't. A lot of just writers for hire, like they seem to be. Which makes even more sense as to why they'd keep their name attached to a film that makes lots of money.
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Is Britney Spears set to star in a Holocaust movie?
By City Mouse
Ha'aretz News Tags: Holocaust, Israel news
Is American mega pop star Britney Spears set to return to the big screen, seven years after starring in the box office flop Crossroads? According to reports, Spears has been offered a part in the upcoming Holocaust film The Yellow Star of Sophia and Eton, which integrates time travel, concentration camps and a love story.
If she accepts the role, Spears will be taking on the title role of Sophia LaMont, a woman who invents a time machine and succeeds in traveling to the time of the Second World War. According to the script, LaMont ends up at a concentration camp and falls in love with a Jewish prisoner named Eton. However, the budding love story is cut short when both are killed by the Nazis.
Spears is currently on tour promoting her album Circus. In stark contrast to her thriving music career, Spears' movie career never really took off. Critics panned her role in the teen comedy Crossroads in 2002. Since then, she has appeared in guest spots on TV series such as Will and Grace and How I Met Your Mother.
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Jun 24, 2009 11:04:48 AM CDT
And yeah.... FUCK THE STAR WARS RACISM SHIT...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....I agree. That was the beacon of dumb fuck in this review. Yeah sure-- George hates all people of color, he just devours their fucking pussies.
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I already do it for free here.
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Jun 24, 2009 11:08:38 AM CDT
WE REALLY NEED A YELLOW STAR OF SOPHIA AND ETON TALKBACK
by ayatollahsexyback
Please.
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DGDB, did my email help?
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a women's prison flick anyway.
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As much defense as it seems I'm giving to him. And yes, cries of racism in Star Wars is even more Baytarded than Transformers.
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I'm still on the hunt. I know she's out there.
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BSB, I heard Elton has signed on to play Eton. Gonna sing some tender duets with Britney, shave her head and then take her up the ass.
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WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
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It's long, it's loud, it's boring, it's dumb, and people only go see it to watch the crashes.
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He's the rocket man, burning up her arse.
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THIS MOVIE IS TAKING IT THE ASS - hard.
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So here it is. Any film that has a pro-war, Irag war, against terrorism stance is a piece of shit. And film that "insults" someone is a piece of shit. Any film that follows your political and twisted liberal mindset is a classic. Harry my man, you and your little crew are slowly becoming the joke of the net. It will be a matter of time until even shitty direct to video releases will fail to put your reviews on the cover. May I remind you of WHILE SHE WAS OUT, a piece of shit that you and your clan acutally hailed as well made. Why should anyone take your review of TRANSFORMERS seriously?
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Transformers 2 sinks to an all-time low. Worse than the first in every conceivable was, but let's not piss off the studio so in the end I highly recommend! Then suck Obama's dick. And scene...
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Yeah and who could forget the defiant rendition of 'Im Still Standing' after Elton comes out of the gas chamber alive.
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and her gaggle of moral crusaders now?
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LOL!!!! How about "Don't Let The Shiksa Go Down On Me"?
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Geeks reviews are having no affect on the box office. Overnight box office was high and I've recieved emails from friends that showings have been selling out all morning on both east and west coast. The numbers are the ultimate judge here, not geeks and wannebe filmmakers pissed at the state of their lives.
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So we can point out where Hollywood touched us wrong
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shit was crazy..more crazy on tomorrow.
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Jun 24, 2009 11:32:55 AM CDT
ASB--the GOP will be out in force about this film--watch
by six demon bag
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Yes, though it didn't match the absolute insanity of the Last Supper, it was quite good. But I think they're saving the best for Thursday, with lots of crying from Caroline.
Side note: I think Andy Cohen is a completely prick of the highest order. He had the nerve to say he was offended by Joe's minor gay remark? Seriously? Right before accusing Dina and Caroline of being associated with the fucking Mafia? Stereotype much, Andy? I fucking hate that guy. He is the most pretentious arrogant cocksucker this side of Michael Bay. -
Jun 24, 2009 11:37:44 AM CDT
THE GOP IS BETTER OFF PURGING ITSELF FROM AMERICAN SOCIETY
by ayatollahsexyback
and coming back with some sane leaders. Did you hear about the Mark Sanford scandal? Fucking guy.
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They will be in stores by the time G.I. Joe comes out
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Did I miss something? Reunion? Last Supper?
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Harry, I still don't trust your positive reviews, but your negative reviews are usually on point. Other than Bad Boys II, I think we both have the same taste when it comes to Michael Bay movies. The thing with Bay is that he never really progressed much from his commercials and music video days and he is all about style over substance. His movies usually succeed when he has actors who can rise above the paper thin plots and character development and bring some weight to the material where there is none. I never thought that Transformers had the actors to do that.
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I just assume since I never heard you once mention the crass Gypsy stereotypes prevalent in Drag Me to Hell, where the gypsies are either black magic wielding old crones or nasty, mean-spirited people who venerate the old crones. Also, the Asian gangster in The Hangover could very easily be viewed as stereotypical and borderline offensive if you really want to play this pedantic, PC-Correct bullshit game. Also, I’d love to know who you think you are, Harold, to call out somebody like Spielberg? You are at best a leech on the ass of that man and this industry in general so really, notch this shit down. It’s fucking weak.
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We voted for McCain.
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Got right to the point. Still, how can Megan Fox not be at least as hot after only two years?
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...in the irreverent humor in The Hangover and ROTF....I wonder why the negative opinion is so prominent here.....does an R rating make it ok to make racist jokes or innuendo....
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Methinks Bob had better disassociate himself with those characters more stridently. It really sounds like Bay took them and ran with it in his own way.
"LOS ANGELES — "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" introduces some 40 new mechanized characters of all shapes, sizes and even sexes _ but it's a pair of jive-talking 'bots that critics are singling out as more than just harmless comic relief.
Skids and Mudflap, twin robots disguised as compact Chevys, constantly brawl and bicker in rap-inspired street slang. They're forced to acknowledge that they can't read. One has a gold tooth.
As good guys, they fight alongside the Autobots and are intended to provide comic relief. But the traits they're ascribed raise the specter of stereotypes most notably seen when Jar Jar Binks, the clumsy, broken-English speaking alien from "Star Wars: Episode I _ The Phantom Menace" was criticized as a racial caricature.
Wall Street Journal film critic Joe Morgenstern described Binks in 1999 as a "Rastafarian Stepin Fetchit," a reference to a black character from the 1920s and '30s that exploited negative stereotypes for comic effect. Extending that metaphor to the "Transformers" sequel was AP Movie Critic Christy Lemire, who calls Skids and Mudflap "Jar Jar Binks in car form."
And Manohla Dargis, film critic for The New York Times, takes it a step further, writing that the "Transformers" characters were given "conspicuously cartoonish, so-called black voices that indicate that minstrelsy remains as much in fashion in Hollywood as when, well, Jar Jar Binks was set loose by George Lucas."
Director Michael Bay insists that the bumbling 'bots are just good clean fun.
"We're just putting more personality in," Bay said. "I don't know if it's stereotypes _ they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it."
TV actor Reno Wilson, who is black, voices Mudflap. Tom Kenny, the white actor behind SpongeBob SquarePants, voices Skids. Neither immediately responded to interview requests for this story.
Bay said the twins' parts "were kind of written but not really written, so the voice actors is when we started to really kind of come up with their characters."
"I purely did it for kids," the director said. "Young kids love these robots, because it makes it more accessible to them."
Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they followed Bay's lead in creating the twins. Still, the characters serve no real purpose in the story, and when the action gets serious, they disappear entirely, notes Tasha Robinson, associate entertainment editor at The Onion.
"They don't really have any positive effect on the film," she said. "They only exist to talk in bad ebonics, beat each other up and talk about how stupid each other is."
Hollywood has a track record of using negative stereotypes of black characters for comic relief, said Todd Boyd, a professor of popular culture at the University of Southern California's School of Cinematic Arts, who has not seen the "Transformers" sequel.
"There's a history of people getting laughs at the expense of African-Americans and African-American culture," Boyd said. "These images are not completely divorced from history even though it's a new movie and even though they're robots and not humans."
American cinema also has a tendency to deal with race indirectly, said Allyson Nadia Field, an assistant professor of cinema and media studies at the University of California, Los Angeles.
"There's a persistent dehumanization of African-Americans throughout Hollywood that displaces issues of race onto non-human entities," said Field, who also hasn't seen the film. "It's not about skin color or robot color. It's about how their actions and language are coded racially."
If these characters weren't animated and instead played by real black actors, "then you might have to admit that it's racist," Robinson said. "But stick it into a robot's mouth, and it's just a robot, it's OK."
But if they're alien robots, she continued, "why do they talk like bad black stereotypes?"
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We're talking about Real Housewives of New Jersey ...
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It's so easy for these idiots to type HATE when they don't have the ability to put themselves in a position to write or direct ... or lead a crew into production. That takes something inside that nobody typing these posts can even begin to relate to.
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or paying for anyone else to see it. Michael Bay sucks major assage.
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You can piss and moan all you want. You all knew this was A MICHAEL BAY FILM with all the trappings and trimmings. Minimal story, racist stereotypes, giant fuck off robots battling, and lots of lens flare. If you hated it, then you asked for it. TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN owns your great aunt's sagging tits for near three hours!! And if you hated it, you fucking asked for it! I hope it hurts! I'm going back saturday you fat fuckass!
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You're a juvenile idiot but yes, this will be critic proof.
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It's almost as cheap as surrounding everything with explosions to mask some of the poorly executed scenes.
Jeeeesus Christ so many stupid fucking explosions. Tedious.
There is more CG than the reviews might lead you to believe but the CG is also not as good as many are painting it.
Wait for the DVD so you can skip past the hours of embarrassing Bay shit.
And for the morons saying what do you expect from a Movie about Giant Robots ? Judeged on the Giant Robots fighting itself it's a failure. Far too little was actually on show. The Millions spent on this Movie were not up on the screen for almost all of the Movie.
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Call me when you need a fatwa.
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yeah when Any Cohen said he was gay...i looked at my wife and said..really??but im not buying the mafai thing...it was a sad story and all, but then Dina had to ruin it with..think of the grandchildren...meadow soprano didnt know HER DAD was in the mob...these mob guys dont go around and advertise it...its bad business. even so, they seem like a good loving family..jaquiline got lip injections...and huge.
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I am stunned that so much time and energy has been spent debating a Transformers movie. I mean, it's Transformers, for god's sake. Transformers. Complaining that Transformers doesn't have a lot of artestry going for it is like complaining that a mesclun mixed green salad doesn't taste chocolate-y enough. I mean, it >could< (as a Transformers movie could contain a high minded story, with social relevence, executed with good acting and quiet restraint), but it's not bloody likely. Transformers is not, and sadly has NEVR been, "More than meets the eye", and as such, I won't be wasting my time with it.
In regards to Mr Orci: I really dug Star Trek and think Fringe really started to come into its own towards the end of the season. Keep it up. -
got uglier, is because while Shia was busting his ass making every movie he could, she hasn't done shit but sit around and drink stale old 90210 jizz and eat Twinkies. Seriously why the fuck is she the voice of this movie? You know what if its as bad as they say, I'm glad she'll be the main person attached to it. I like Shia and he seems up for anything and I don't think this movie will set him back at all. Hate him all you want but you know when you saw his moppy ass hair back in the day you were like, yeah I'll never see this kid in 5 years.
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By the way, if Kate Goselin ever gets a talk show hosting gig, I'll... I'll... well fuck, I'd be really upset.
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I think she hinted in her blog that her friendship with Danielle is over. And rightly so. Danielle is definitely a toxic personality. They all have faults but Danielle is too brash for sweet Jackie to handle. And if she never had a nip/tuck then I'm the Queen of Africa.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:05:01 PM CDT
NO D.Vader, I HONESTLY WOULDN'T PUT MY NAME ON SHIT FOR ANY PRIC
by charlesthomasmathews1978
You can say bullshit all you like but I truly care about cinema and if it was a choice between having my name on a piece of shit that made a billion or a masterpiece that was seen by very few people, I would have to choose the latter, as I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror. It's like Bill Hick's said, once you take their money then there is a price on your head and you can be bought. Fuck that.
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You KNOW it is. We always gripe about these properties catering only to kiddies, yet people like Bay take it TOO far to the opposite extreme.
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But the fact that they were allowed on the screen at all speaks fucking volumes about Bays judgement.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:09:22 PM CDT
Empire called it possibly the gayest summer blockbuster ever
by d.vader
Noting the homoerotic tensions between Sam and Optimus. Heh.
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In a decision like that, I would probably choose the dream project over the shitty job for hire too. IF I had to pick between them. But IF I couldn't do the dream project for whatever reason, I'd definitely take the money project.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:13:36 PM CDT
SARAH PALIN IS TELLING HER 14 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER NOT TO FUCK....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Which means she'll get knocked up by the time she's 15 because, HEY, abstinence worked for her slutty 18 year old unwed daughter, right? They hypocrisy of that ignorant, know nothing, white trash, hillbilly, grifter is breathtaking.
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So if I was just "meh" about Transformers, will this film change my view and make me want another one?
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then there truly is no hope for humanity.
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Fucking shrill, castrating, evil harpy cunt…
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The apple looked delicious on the outside but when he bit into it, it was rotten and full of worms and overall tasted terrible. He set the apple down and then watched as, a few minutes later, his friend picked up the apple and, not seeing the rotten bite taken out, started to eat it. Unfortunately, good ol' Josh here has never planted an apple seed. He has never generated the photons of light so critical to photosynthesis. He has never provided water or nutrients to a growing plant. For that matter, he has never picked an apple at harvest time, packaged it, or brought it to a market. Unfortunately, all those things meant he wasn't qualified to give his opinion about said piece of fruit. After all, it's only an apple, right? It's not like it's filet mignon for god's sake. And hell, some people like the taste of worms anyway...
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Hey dudes and dudettes,
Remember, DRAG ME TO HELL?
That is how you do it, with lil' to no budget....DOWN WITH BLOCKBUSTERS, UP WITH STORIES WHO HAVE GOOD STORYTELLERS AT THE HELM!!!
Also.................."WHERE THE FUCK IS KURT RUSSELL?"
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Alice. Right in the face. Golden Shower. Only this time, its "subtle".
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Oh, and by the way, Damn you Michael Bay! I reluctantly rented Transformers on the recommendation of a couple of my coworkers. Hated every last second of its porn-style vfx money shots, endless camera spinning, over-designed robo-trash and monkey-level script. Never have I seen a film that has less interest in story or character.What a ridiculous waste of money. This new movie just seems like it's the same times 10. Bay is just a spoiled child with too many toys who deserves a spanking.
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Jun 24, 2009 12:27:56 PM CDT
GOSSELIN'S LIKE SOUNDWAVE IN THAT SHE'S ABLE TO....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Fire an army of evil looking little minions out of her body!
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I foolishly took my then-7-year-old soon to a pre-release premiere of the first movie, mistakenly thinking "It's a movie based on a TOY LINE, how inappropriate can it be?" It was one of the most foul PG-13s in memory. I made that one exception to my "screen movies before letting Junior see them" rule, and Bay bit me in the @ss. Not this time.
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I'm not defending racism, but I suspect that if those robots resembled and / or acted like fat, white, greedy, corrupt and allegedly Christian types in their late forties or fifties with a tendency to blame the "poor" for all their own problems, you guys might admit it to be cliched, but I guarantee you wouldn't dare call it racist, which is all the more ridiculous since Harry is white and, I suspect, at least half of the contributing staff of Aint-It-Cool-News is white. I could be wrong about the latter assessment (and the first, but I doubt it), but I suggest it because I've seen other reviewers put their race upfront as almost a bragging point because they think it makes theirs a "unique" perspective, which itself would probably make this site appear predominantly white. You guys aren't tolerant or progressive - racism and the tolerance of it isn't going anywhere, it's just changing form a little. Now, white Christians are fair game while everyone else of any minority, particularly racial, can only be made fun of in America to certain extents or by someone of their own race or, maybe, by another racial minority. It's proof that nobody wants real EQUALITY or FAIRNESS, just possible retribution for centuries or decades-old race-related societal crimes (slavery, Jim Crow), entitlement and privilege. Why else can blacks have their own college(s) and white men can't even have a private golf course and country club operated within the letter of the law without still being threatened for being sexist and / or racist? I guess it has to do with which race is starting all the wars from America, right? Never mind that Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice were and still are black - one made the case for the Iraq War (in spite of recent assertions of regret) while the other helped propagate it. But, then again, like Bill Cosby, they're probably not "black."
Again, I'd never condone racism, but that's exactly why I'm not condoning this - the movie or the review. And though I haven't seen the movie, I've heard plenty of complaints from African American community leaders about the same sort of depictions in films by African American filmmakers and actors that still seem to fall on deaf ears, including the ones on this site. What's more, it's been my experience that whether you're talking about blacks, Asians or whites - whatever race - most of the stereotypes and cliches have more than a grain of truth to them. Just as there are fat, White, allegedly Christian people of various types in their late forties and fifties that are greedy, corrupt and insensitive to the poor, there are plenty of "people" that DO act and talk like the robots you describe. If you encountered them, you'd never bash them for propagating a negative stereotype within their own community - odds are you'd either pity them, turn a blind eye or tolerate their behavior as part of a culture that whites couldn't possibly understand and about which should have nothing substantial to say.
Ignore it or say what you will about this post - call it racist, ignorant, stupid and use probably five times the amount of four-lettered foul language in TRANFORMERS 2 doing it (as usual) - but you know there's truth to it. In any case, in the event the sort of accusation occurs to anyone, if I were truly a hypocrite, why would I bother mentioning the truth behind Caucasian Christian stereotypes? We can only justly be called hypocrites in what we say and do, not in what we think. -
It was exactly what I expected, and probably a lot more. It's everything that "Terminator Salvation", and "Wolverine" were suppose to be, but never were. The action is bigger then the first "Transformers" film, it's funnier, it's louder, crazier, and WAY more obnoxious. The fight sequences between the Transformers was more comprehensible, and you can see most of what was going on. And as a former fan of the cartoon, I loved seeing Optimus Prime kicking so much ass. He completely kicked the living sh!t out of Megatron. That was the main thing that pissed me off about the original. Optimus only killed one Decepticon, and got a beat down by Megatron. That's not my Optimus. My Optimus kicks takes names, kills things, and saves the day. In "Revenge of the Fallen", Optimus Prime is THE hero and that's the way it should be.
Overall, this isn't a film that is built to last. It's just a forgettable McDonald's meal that you need when you are very hungry. It's a feast for the eyes, a sensory over-load, and a very big film. Nothing more, nothing less. My rating is a 7/10. -
Something NFL's MICHAEL VICK Could Never Say..."I Got No Dog In This Fight." I (RDD) was too old for the TRANSFORMER toy fad. So I have ZERO interest in seeing any TRANSFORMER movies good or bad. I could NOT care less. I am at the bottom of caring. So why post? I wanted to use my MICHAEL BAY comment.
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CORRECTION: "I wanted to use my MICHAEL VICK comment."
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yeah that bitch Danielle MADE HER pick up her glass and toast her..who the fuck does that..you dont order your friends around.
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I'll bet HARRY KNOWLES has a correction function on here. Although, the grammar police will say it does him no good.
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You took your "7 year old kid" to a "PG13" movie...and complained it contained inappropriate content for your kid?..?? you're a moron.
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But hated the Island? I thought he loved the Island, and only people in coma's liked BB2?
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Jun 24, 2009 1:00:42 PM CDT
pointing fingers...NO ONE wants to take credit for the racist Tw
by zooch
Orci & Kurtzman say it's not Kruger, it's Michael Bay's fault. Michael Bay is like not my fault, blame the voice actors. Pass the blame. Ha!
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magical negroes!
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seriously, that'd make this bullshit go away.
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I've shat on your writing before, but you ain't done no bad job this time. Good show.
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...what's funny about Bay...he truly thinks he's the greatest action director ever...when in reality, he's the all time worst..his action sequences are always atrociously edited, poorly photographed and way overlong.
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"Well, it's a construction machine, so you of course have wrecking balls. And Michael, immediately, of course, loved it." -KurtzmanHa ha! This movie was written by adults!
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...he'd fix his PELHAM 123 review and give David Shire his proper credit for the music in the 1974 version.
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but you can't swear or show a titty, you are fucked in the collective brain, america.
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He's not racist. Just slightly crippled. Hobbled. Whatever.
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Why exactly is there no chance parents with young children will not have to take them to this offensive, soul-destroying, socially-corrosive, rancid garbage? Fucking PATHETIC. Hey assholes, the word is "NO."
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Jun 24, 2009 1:13:04 PM CDT
Yet with all that, he likes it BETTER than the first one!?
by revenge_of_fett
I am the first to point out that the first Transformers is a big, bloated POS. I said it was going to be when the project was announced, I said it was when it hit screens and I say it today. HOWEVER it has Shia being funny, Megan being hot and the robopts do look cool and the cinematography is fantastic. It sounds like most of those things are still intact but the story is way stupider and they've instilled some bizarre racial humor. Remember, Michael Bay wasn't even going to DO this movie because of the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray debacle (after Paramount dropped BD support), and he had to be talked into doing the first one. Honestly, why not someone who really WANTS to do the movie?
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Foul-mouthed? Check. Racist? Oh yeah. Misogynistic? Yes. Time to transform into justification mode, Harold?
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Get over yourself. Misplaced fanboy indignation, roll out. And if you're so offended, thinking Spielberg should be ashamed to have his name on it, what about those nice little ads for Transformers you have on your site? Ah, don't want to stop the gravy train. Well played.
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Please write a script for the 3rd...consistency is key.
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Man, I must have lost my mind because so many people are in love with Drag Me To Hell. It was a fucking piece of dogshit for Pete's sake!
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...if for no other reason than my TB name is actually relevant again.
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I was going to see TF2 today but real life intruded. I bet I'll get more out of it than I did Drag Me To Hell. All it will take is five minutes of actual entertainment. Fuck you Raimi!
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I truly don't understand how there are so many people writing comments here about how much they hated this movie. I am 33 years old, and I took my 11 year old son with me to the midnight showing. There were 10 theaters at the location where we went and they were all showing ROTF, and all were sold out. It was a mad house, packed full of Transformers fans, casual movie-goers, and everyone in between. And when the movie started and you heard Peter Cullen doing his opening monologue, everyone applauded and took an immediate interest in the movie. And all during the movie, you could hear laughter, oohs and aahs, cheering, excitement, and yes, even some sobbing (myself included). When you're in the theater and EVERYONE is that engaged in a movie, it is obviously doing something right. It isn't about whether or not you agree with a few seconds of a certain joke or not, it's how much you enjoyed the experience of watching the movie. No one left that theater saying anything less than fantastic comments about the movie. It was a magical and intense ride to watch what Michael Bay and everyone else created. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen wasn't as mindless as people are making it out to be; while it may not win any awards for plot complexity, it certainly wasn't void of a plot line. It has a solid and engaging story, one that I (as a Transformers fan) thought kept the spirit of the Transformers mythology very well. I absolutely loved this movie, as did a ton of other people that I've talked to, offline. Sure there were some minor plot flaws, but every movie has them. This movie will make a ton of money, because it deserves it. Kudos to Bay, Orci/Kurtzman/Kreuger, and everyone else that contributed to bringing this movie to life! It was a fantastic experience that I intend on enjoying over and over again.
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Why couldn't you elicit the same passion for TF's as you did for Star Trek? It's glaringly obvious that you wrote this movie as fast as you could so you guys could move on to something you really love like Star Trek. That's all fine and dandy, but you really shouldn't return for TF3, allow someone to do it who really cares about the characters as much as you care for Trek.
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Can your post be any more planty? FFS!
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If Harry's bleeding heart calls the movie racist...it definitely is a must see. Keanu Reeves still owes me $9 for The Day the Earth Stood Still, so what's $10 more for TF2. Harry, where is your hyperlink to Perez Hilton's website?
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I guess we have JJ to thank.
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He was quite the nice guy. Had a young girl following him around doing whatever he asked too. I think they called her his "assistant".
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...read it and weep bitches!
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Jun 24, 2009 1:39:53 PM CDT
BREAKING NEWS: ANOTHER REPUBLICAN GOES DOWN IN FLAMES
by ayatollahsexyback
Mark Sanford is having an odd Oprah moment on CNN ...
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Drag Me to Hell was fucking swill. Cheap, ugly, unfunny and un-scary and yet, because Raimi directed it the film is being called a masterpiece. IF anybody other than Raimi had made this flick it would have been derided into dust.
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... great point regarding "Bruno"... It's okay to laugh at stereotypes if they are of a certain type. Is it hypocrisy to find one caricature hilarious, and to express outrage over another?
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www.myspace.com/qatlantis
I am not a "plant" - I'm just a hardcore Transformers fan that was not disappointed by this movie. You can check out my myspace page if you like to verify my identity - I'm not ashamed of who I am, and I'll continue to defend my admiration of this movie. The true fans are sometimes the hardest audience to please, and I was highly satisfied with this movie (as were a ton of other people), so they must've done something right!! -
Shallow/stupid/meaningless characters, bad dialog, dumb plots, juvenile jokes, wtf moments etc point to problems with the writing. Sounds like it might be hard to tell who should shoulder most of the writing blame but the result is a shameful mess.
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Like you, I grew up with the Transformers and I really enjoyed this sequel, probably more than the first. They really did a great job with the action scenes and the Megatron/Starscream relationship was dead on. I love all types of film but not everything needs to be heavy, deep and complex. There's a decent little story in the film and the special effects are amazing so really, I don't understand the hatred. Then again, I don't understand why people who hated the first one would watch the sequel.
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According to Orci & Kurtzman at Botcon (the Transformers convention in Pasadena) last month, the powers that be saw that the strike was coming so with 2 weeks to go until that, TPTB convinced them to agree to write the film. The Orci Kurtzman connection slapped together an outline for Bay & co. to begin preproduction. After the strike ended, Bay locked them in a hotel a few blocks from his office and they got to writing. But as they were working on 3 other films around that time, someone (them, Bay, producers, studio, I don't recall them saying who was responsible) brought in Kruger to the aforementioned hotel sleepover to help them get the work done. Kruger impressed Bay and the studio with his knowledge of Transformers and his dedication to researching the TF material as they wrote stuff. Ortzman (the celebrity coupling) liked Kruger so much that they are producing a film of his.Now you know, and knowing is half the battle. The battle to figure out who to blame first for this film.
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You'd think with all that stuff, it sounded like this was a rushed script, right? They said Bay kept them in the hotel for 4 solid months writing this thing.
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I just said your post was planty. The fault lies with the real plants. If it weren't for them we wouldn't have had an issue.
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A couple friends went to the late night showing of TF2. They didn't think it was the worst thing in the world, but it wasn't so hot either. In fact, they were surprised by how dull it was, despite the robot action.
The movie could have lost 90 minutes from the run time, and you wouldn't have missed a thing. Apparently, you can sit down for the movie, watch it for a while, get up, drive away from the theater, go home, balance your checkbook, do your laundry, come back to the theater, sit down and you'd be just in time for the action packed part in the 3rd act. And the movie wouldn't have lost anything in coherence. -
Jesus the GOP is so fucked. What a tool. Happy Father's Day kids. I'll be fucking my mistress in Argentina but have fun with Mom while she and everyone else on Earth wonders where the fuck I am. Down in flames.
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You bitch about the language in the film but not 29 words into your very own review you use the word "FUCK". NICE Harry!
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I saw it and really liked it. Don't dare ask me or anyone to boycott anything.
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Thanks for supporting my point; not everyone hated this movie! I agree with the Megatron/Starscream banter, it was missing almost completely in the first movie, so it was great to see them include more of it the second time around. And I'm not trying to say that this is the best movie of all time ever created, but it seems that everyone expected it to be and are totally trash talking it now and pointing out every little flaw because it wasn't. It was a fun ride and worth every penny to me!!
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What you're not considering is that in the 25 years of Transformers, there's been a ton of literate, characterized, & sometimes very profound Transformers material in comic form. Sure, it's still robots turning into vehicles, but kids who played with Transformers in 1984 wound up dramatically expanding upon that 15-20 years later. There's a ton of good source material out there.
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Sanford had a gay sex romp. Count on it.
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I agree, AyatollahSexyBack. Qatlantis is a studio damage controller posing as a talkbacker. He's paid to spout "This movie is SO awesome!" rhetoric into this otherwise scathingly anti-Transformers talkback. It's a typically corporate damage control tactic.
The problem is: he's lying. None of what he described actually happened.
"Insane fun!" Bullshit.
"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen wasn't as mindless as people are making it out to be" Also BS.
Faceless Damage Controller named Qatlantis, this is what you should write: the movie wasn't as great as it could've been, and yeah the humor was childishly inappropriate and borderline racist, but hey, how about those explosions! Lots and lots of big explosions! Big robots fighting each other! What's not to like about that?
See how it's done, Q? Thus endeth the lesson. -
...to expect this movie to be good in any way.
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Bruno is a character that is intended to make homophobes feel uncomfortable and exposed so that we can all have laugh at their expense. It's Sasha Cohen own social commentary on homophobia...and you obviously do not get it. It is completely different.
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Is that what all of these robots are fighting for?
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Go back and watch the original cartoons. They are very goofball. I don't expect the movie to be super serious and plot driven as the cartoon it was based upon was not. The original plot of every episode in The Transformers was the Decepticons trying to get energon cubes and the Autobots trying to stop them. Personally, I thought the first film had its flaws with the fact that you couldn't tell who was who during the action sequences and there tended to be commercial like sequences with the cars. Other than that, it is what it is, a cartoon made into a movie. It was an entertaining popcorn movie. That is all I expect out of the second one...a popcorn movie. My only hope is that I will be able to recognize who is who this time.
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who cares about TF needs to examine his or her priorities. Plenty of great action films not based around toys and cartoons. Go rent the Steve McQueen version of "The Getaway" and get back to us.
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Which he so desperately tried for by playing to diehard conservatives in his attempt to reject federal stimulus money.
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Cohen is a shit disturber. Don't get me wrong, I think he's funnier than hell. I get it. Don't forget, the social commentary is essentially a crude, racist hidden camera prank show. Sure, SBC is making a big joke, that somehow justifies it? Either way, I don't care. Give be gold tooth Transformers, give me Bruno's African baby named O.J. Just don't tell me one is funny racism and the other isn't. Can't have it both ways.And Bruno is marketed toward the same teen market as Transformers. MTV Movie Awards stunt, roll out.
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Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean that their opinion is any more or less wrong than yours. I disagree with a lot of people on this post, but I'm not going to try to "school" them on how to properly document how they really felt about a movie. I loved the movie - plain and simple. I'm not overanalyzing every single plot hole and trying to say how horrible the movie was because of it. I had an insane amount of fun while watching it; you cannot try to dictate to me how I felt just because you didn't agree. And it wasn't mindless - they explain a lot about the Transformers' past and where The Fallen came from, and they involved Sam into that past. As I said, it wasn't an award-winning plot, but it was great for the movie. You don't have to agree with me, but I know that there are more people out there that do.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:17:52 PM CDT
I can give a fuck who some Right Wing prick is fucking.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....what I do give a fuck about is Obama right about to once again give the finger to the assholes that got him elected (I'm counting myself in this group....yes) and dropping a public health care option from his big Health Care Reform package. I'm sure his dear old pal Tom Daschle had nothing to do with it. Bought and fucking paid for.
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...and I also wanted to clarify that I'm not a "faceless damage controller" - check out my MySpace page to learn more about me, if you like... www.myspace.com/qatlantis
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Who the fuck are you? You've been registered for a week and you call me out? Funny child. Funny.
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I'll admit, it was moronic of me to assume that a PG-13 movie based on a Toy Line might not be all that bad for a 7-year-old. There are plenty of PG-13 flicks that I thought were OK for him (Spider-Man 1, Indy IV, Iron Man...). Like I wrote, I had free tix to a premiere, and I made a bad decision. Kind of like Mikey Bay did, for including a "hilarious" scene about masturbation in a Transformers flick. So fuck both of ya.
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Jun 24, 2009 2:23:29 PM CDT
Qatlantis -- wow that is a lot of Transformers.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I'm curious...have you ever fucked your wife with Optimus Prime?
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...where it doesn't belong.
Government sponsored healthcare, yes what a brilliant idea. Give our literal lives over to the geniuses that fucked up Social Security, MediCare (which IS government sponsored healthcare BTW), and our public schools to name just a few of the absolutely moronic things government has no business being in the business of.
Give me a tax credit or a stipend and let me choose my own healthcare. The free market is ALWAYS better than the goddam self-serving politicians. -
No, I have not fucked my wife while wearing the Optimus Prime helmet (I'm assuming that's what you were referring to). She and I have tons of sex without the interaction of Transformers (yes, a Transformers fanatic can get laid!!) LOL
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If my marriage falls apart I hope it's at least due to a sordid affair with our hot young Russian receptionist and not to too much talkbacking.
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... calm down. This isn't a HuffPo talkback. ... ...like Heckles, I get Sacha Cohen's humor, but a stereotype is a stereotype; to say I can exploit this stereotype because it is for a good cause and you can't use that stereotype because it's not for a good cause is absurd. Personally, I find all stereotypes to be hilarious, and I find it even more hilarious that white people are the ones who raise the biggest stink about them. I know stereotypes are not entirely true... BUT there are some truths to them... that's what makes them so fucking funny.
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Who asked you anyway.
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Its called a public healthcare OPTION, because its fucking optional. You can keep whatever the fuck you want. This would simply make an affordable government run program available for those that need it. But even that....would dig too deep in Tom Daschle's lobbyist pockets, so don't worry-- you're not gonna see jack shit under this President. -
Is how one radio host described the sambots.
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I mean actually fucked her with the head of a 12 inch action figure.
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The moment he gets something more than a cold he's going to find out the hard way he aint got no fucking coverage. LOL
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Damn
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OH!! That makes more sense. She prefers my 12" head over Prime's, but I could probably try your idea next time... :)
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... the only problem with his story is that he wasn't cracking a Brazilian chick... those bitches are FREAKS!!!
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a cape, and a New Trek phaser. Bring Halloween on.
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... I made a political statement and I kept it on the subject of stereotypes (Brazilians=Freaks).
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Well DickBlood threw it out there, I was just responding. So eat me SexyBack.
And don't be retarded, I have my own healthcare NOW, they paid for 100% of the costs of birthing both of my children, and I and my wife have never had a problem getting medical care for ourselves. I know not everyone has it that good, but pardon me for wanting to keep something that's been so good and valuable to us. -
I've enjoyed reading and interacting with these posts for the past couple of hours, but I have to go get ready to see Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen again, in IMAX! Have fun everyone!! :)
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No one will force you to drop it. A public plan option is crucial to ensure that our fellow Americans are covered too, maybe not as well as under your plan, but to have access to care.
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Amid everything else, why not?
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Tell your corporate master we didn't buy it.
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Are you going as the guy from George McFly's nightmare? "Last night, Darth Vader came from planet Vulcan and told me that if I didn't ask Lorraine out that he'd melt my brain."
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I have so many problems with what you just said Sexy I don't know where to begin, so I'm going to drop it for fear of disrupting the warranted anger towards TF2 we should all be talking about instead of this. Peace.
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you shoul rewatch bad boys 2 ad armaggedon and you'll see the same repugnant Bay cliches on both
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"The Ring" was actually a damn good horror movie, one of the few since "The Shining" that was about the atmosphere and characters as opposed to the slasher crap from the 80's/90's and the torture porn shit from the 00's...so Kruger can write, maybe just on occasion, but it's possible. Meanwhile, Orci and Kurtzman have proven to be sub-mental twits with a questionable grasp of the English language time and time again, (and are so creatively bankrupt that they're only a season into their Fringe thing and have already done the same episode TWICE, the crisis on the airplane storyline)...so I'm sure all the shit is from Orci and Kurtzman, not that you'd ever admit wrongdoing on the part of anyone involved with the CINEMATIC MANIFESTATION OF GOD that is, wait for it...JJ ABRAMS "STAR TREK"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 24, 2009 2:47:25 PM CDT
SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform -- you're registered to SUCK MY DICK.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Now gag on your 12 year old daughter's first pop of the Jesus juice you MOTHERFUCKING TWAT!
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that review took an unexpected turn at the end, even by Harry's usual standards. Gonna try as hard as I can not to go see this thing...
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I will go as that guy absoluteluy!!! Haha I didn't make that connection!
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Ok, I read and appreciate your two-part response to my assertion. Thank you.
But I must say I still think you're compromised. No one ever gives such a happy happy, pom-pom waving opinion of a film in these talkbacks. Even you loved the film, I think if your opinion were genuine (and not compromised), you would've talked about the film itself, and not how every theater in the cineplex you went to was packed. See, no one cares about that stuff except salesman-types who want to create buzz and sell tickets. See what I'm saying? It's never genuine.
Plus, you actually used the full name of the film when describing it, which no one here does. You're probably a nice guy and I have nothing against you personally, but your rah-rah enthusiasm for "Transformers" comes across to me as fake.
And I'm sure to other people as well.
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Yes let's agree to drop it, since we'll only waste a lot of time and bandwidth to come full circle .. where I'm found to be right.
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Dont give in to his brainwashing juice!
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Who could definitely use some help when it comes to insurance.
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The hyper-stereotyped, minstrel show black character went out sometime in the 90's (during an episode of "In Living Color" I believe). Even then it was attempting to make a mockery of racism. I don't think that's the case here. I bet Michael Bay thought two trash-talking Transformers would be cool. They even had the gold teeth? Were they drinking a 10W-40 ounce at the same time?
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WOW. That's all I can say. I must've grown up because I haven't done the forum thing in a while and this thread is the same childish, purile, asinie, tripe as always. There's always the LOVERS, who are usually fine until you say you hate it then you MUST be an asshole because how could they possibly be wrong?
Then there's the HATERS, who are complied mostly of frustrated fanboys who KNOW in their greasy little hearts that THEY could make the movie SO MUCH BETTER if someone just gave them a chance. They've been harboring their dream script for Transformers since 97, of course they never wrote it, they just mentally masturbated to the idea of their dream version that the one they saw at the theater just shat all over.
Then there's just the ASSHOLES. Wanna-be street toughs who talk about "being called out" as if a forum Talkback was the wild fucking west. This place is a cowards paradise, where those who wouldn't dare open their mouths if staring someone in the face, will attempt to textually shred them, click 'post' and recline in their chair as if they were 'bad ass.'
I would never tell you to shut the fuck up because it's your choice and I can always just not read your idiocy.
THEN there are the TRUE JACKASSES who turn every damn forum into a Liberal v. Conservative debate. They win the gold prize for dumbfuckery. When you are so blindly aligned with one political side that you can't realize that both sides are a bunch of lying scumbags who care about their party before you, and would crush your grandmother's spine if they thought it would garner votes, then you are a bigger fool than Skid and Mudflap who while they may be black comical stereotype characters are hardly racist. I've seen the same caricatures a million times on In Living Color or any BET comedy special. Flava Flav is a WALKING TALKING Skid or Mudflap.
I'm done.
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I say that because the part of the review that says that crew members said that Bay was really trying to make a good movie, it reminds me of this girl at work who's a pill addict, she was trying to come clean and then she said "I got a gret deal for this" and showed us a little bottle filled with pills, and she did it with a stupid smile like saying "I know it's wrong but I couldn't resist", Bay is just like that, he tried to make it good but he overdosed on retarded comedy and bad/overcut action
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Why would a studio plant or whatever give two shits about this forum or this place? This film is going to make a truckload of money and anybody who thinks this site and the opinions of those who populate this place holds any kind of sway in the real world is delusional. I think what is jarring about somebody like Qatlantis is that he offers a fair and balanced take of a film despite being surrounded by people acting like it is the worst movie ever made.
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"wow, Bay gets us" (family guy reference)
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If you yell at someone named "dannyglovers_dickblood" which I'm sure he thought was absolutely badass hilarious, then you get exactly what you deserve. What do you expect him to reply with?
Everything about him from his moniker, to his posts do more damage to him than any snappy comeback you have in your lexicon.
I weep for the poor bastard.
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How in the hell can Harry say anything it too offensive when he runs the website that gave us the term ,"Chocolate covered pussy juice" or some stupid. This fucking website is over the top and can't see quality popcorn fare for what it is. Anyone who says that they can't see a plot in this film isn't paying fucking attention. And you know what, if they had two overly offensive-speaking rednecks in there, no one would have a problem. Fucking counter-racial shit. So go ahead Harry, play up to your black readers and throw Obama's name in there to sound smart. Ladies and gents, I give you the WHITE UNCLE TOM.
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OH MY. THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP EINSTEINS I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!!!! Can you stupid assholes come up with new material and new excuses besides posting the same garbage over and over again? And grow an original thought that isn't bull that has been shot down a million times already.
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I just got done seeing this movie and I thought it was amazing. Of course, I loved the first one. If you even liked the first one at all, you will like this one a lot. There's more action, more Transformers, more everything. And as for the Transformer Twins and that one guy on this site trashing them calling them "Jar Jar Binks". That is stupid as fuck. If you think about it in the first one they said they got their language and stuff from the World Wide Web. And if you think about it, they weren't that bad.
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You're telling us to boycott the movie, while giant video ads for the thing are playing on your FRONT PAGE!
C'mon man. I've never been one for calling you out, most of the time it just stinks of jealous fanboys wishing their shitty site was getting as many hits, but DUDE!
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the actor who played 'Yakov' the one-tooth butcher isn't black at all...he's of canadian and middle eastern descent so let's not call every brown person an african american or black guy when we see one on film :) Seriously, I didn't view that part as racist at all, and I'm black, but I could tell by the accent that the character wasn't supposed to portray an black guy....I do agree with ya about some fluff, but the movie is trying to reach everyone of a lot of different demographics and it's not going to please everyone 110% of the time...some of the negative points you bring up I may not have liked either, but the audience got a chuckle out of because we're all a diverse world...take the good with the bad, but enjoy the good...I was glad to see Optimus kick some butt this time
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It's more like ramblings you would find written with feces on the inside of a bathroom stall.
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Try looking up definitions of 'stereotype' and 'racism'— your apparent need to see the images you mentioned as 'accurate' depictions of racial groups makes you seem, well, uninformed to be polite.How your twisted and ignorant comment relates to "Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen" escapes me…
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and he points out he doesn't do the forum thing too much.
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Jun 24, 2009 3:21:32 PM CDT
Mudflap and Skids should've been played by Will Smith and Martin
by mitortilla
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I saw the 1st matinee of ROTF and it was worth $5.50 and 2.5 hours of my life. I really enjoyed watching the spectacle. The only aspects that distracted me were Megan's perfectly glossed lips and the twin Autobots dialogue. The foul language was not so much offensive as it was unexpected and unnecessary to make the movie enjoyable. I am going to see this movie again soon.
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Randall took back porch monkey, so I'm taking back Skids and Mudflap!
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I have to see how bad this movie is with my own eyes (unfortunately).
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Because it makes Obama seem like an incompetent, cowardly ass willing to negotiate with evil Decepticon scum.
http://www.wilshireandwashington.com/2009/06/transformers-a-swipe-at-obama.html
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because i kinda enjoyed TF2.
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HAHAHAHAHAH Mark Sanford HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Jun 24, 2009 4:04:41 PM CDT
MIR HOSSEIN MOUSAVI WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT
by ayatollahsexyback
FREEDOM!!!!!
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I personally think that portraying them as "Marlon Wayans" was a stroke of genius..."We don't do much readin'" That shit is just classy. It's like they're saying, "Yah, son! We ain'ts be gettin' down book, BULL-shit! Leh-me axe you a question...why you hay-in?"
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Jun 24, 2009 4:16:03 PM CDT
You can't call for a boycott while advertising the movie!!!!!
by future help
too funny.
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If you're in the States, ever hear of the freelancers union? Look 'em up.
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Everything is racist. Your dog is racist, your fridge is racist, the sun is racist. Gravity is racist (white men can't jump)! Racist, racist, racist, racist, racist. Let's just milk this term. Oh yeah I forgot, spare change is racist. Lastly, I'm offended by it all. Every molecule in the universe offends me.
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...you fat bastard, it's sterotypical. Typical over-sensitive, pc, liberal pansy-ass.
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Pure Capitalism.
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You can be a pedophile like Francis Ford Coppola.
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he put his director credit on Bad Boys II over an image of a burning cross. dude has issues when it comes to black people.
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Are you not getting my emails? I offered to review The Hurt Locker, Cold Souls, and In The Loop for you.
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Shit i'm cracking myself up here.
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...REALLY,HARRY? I take movies VERY seriously, as do you, I've made them my PROFESSION, as did you, but STILL brother, sometimes a movie is just a freaking movie. Maybe the studio heads, Bay, the writers..etc are just REALLY REALLY
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Everything is racist.
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if he won't take them, we will......www.aintitbalenews.com dannyglovers.dickblood@Gmail.com
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Simpson leads to Bruckheimer, Bruckheimer leads to Bay, Bay leads to suffering. This sounds just like his last horrible shitty movie, and the one before that, and so on. PLOP-SPLASH! (the fall of Michael Bay's latest turd, signaling my departure)
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I did not find mudflap and skids to be at all racist, and have a hard time believing there would be such a thing as 'White' Robots or 'Black' Robots. I mean if that's true then wouldn't by logic Bumblebee be a bad ripoff of Dr. Stephen Hawking and all disabled people? Would Jetfire be derogatory of scotsmen? Is Starscream derogatory of cowards and chickens everywhere? I think all the reviewers I've read are bringing way too much baggage to this film.
And Harry, if you true feel this is way too offensive a film for the family audience, I dare you...
I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU to come up and actually release and distribute a large powerful family action film for everyone to watch. You got real close with John Carter. Let's see you deliver the goods just once, huh? -
Jun 24, 2009 4:43:52 PM CDT
Hairy Nutsack, THE SAME FREE MARKET THAT IMPLODED?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I live in Canada and we have a great healthcare system despite what you hear from Fox News. See your phone book? Pick it up and dial a doctor and ask him if he’s taking patients. If he is then BLAMMO he’s your new doctor. If not then you call another until you get one and NO it won’t take more then two or three phoncalls. If you get into a car crash or develop cancer you don’t have to worry that you’ll be crippled with debt for the rest of your life nor would you EVER have to consider avoiding treatment. Also, the myth about wait times is just that A MYTH. If you need immediate emergency healthcare you go to the fucking hospital or call and ambulance and they take care of you RIGHT THERE and you don’t have to worry about a bill coming in the mail for thousands of dollars. The problem is that stupid, selfish fucks like you think that your taxes will go towards paying for poor people and illegal’s well that won’t be the fucking case. You see we have this thing here called PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE where the goal is to make sure people have regular checkups and encourage you to go to your doctor if you suspect that anything is wrong as opposed to your system where people will avoid surgery for fear of getting into debt. Finally, you are a perfect example of just how fucking dumb the right wing of your country is. Even after the economic devestation caused by the GOP and their buddies on Wall Street you STILL spew that stupid fucking shit about the free market solving all. Hey, I didn’t see Ronnie St. Reagan protecting the FREE MARKET when he removed the regulations and anti-trust laws that prevented companies from buying each other up, creating less competition and the “too big to fail” corporations that have so spectacularly imploded over the last year. In closing, eat shit you fucking tard.
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Better this fuck-cunt of a site...I love how I read everything over at Comingsoon, and then like an hour to day later it's here. CLASSY
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SHIT WAS SO CASH, too bad it's just a cam version for now
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WITH A TWIST OF RACISM.
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C'mon Harry. For you to slam the movie is one thing; but for you to bring the "the lowest forms of humor, stereotypes and racism around. Not only that, but its packaged for our children. Which makes it all the more offensive". All of a sudden you're a knee-jerk reactionary?! This from the guy who thinks Hostel 2 is good.
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Iran is to Freedom, as Harry is to saying anything worth a shit lately.
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Apparently the twins weren't originally supposed to appear in the film. They were written in after a test screening because people were offended by the original Tomb of the Primes scene.
You see, originally, instead of the twins fighting and smashing into the wall, it was Shia and Megan who were to be going at it because she was fucking that Mexican guy who served no purpose in the movie except for fucking her. So Shia goes all Ike Turner and smashes that bitch's aging face into the wall. The feminists (who are always ugly bitches) were up in arms, and the blacks really had nothing to say other than, "Why you kill the only black one in part one. We wants anudda, black'n." So to oblige them both, they made the twins. FACT
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Seriously, this is the only big summer flick 09' I DID NOT fall asleep too during the second viewing. Bitch, Bitch, Bitch! You guys are nitpicking a Michael Bay movie? I laughed. I was entertained. My obligatorily "brothers from another mothers laughed too" statement inserted here and very true so it makes it PC for me to say, YOU GUYS ARE OLD. Get over yourselves. It was Michael Bay's Transformers 2? What did you expect? Bambi 2? I went to get my Big robot fight on and some hot a$$ on motorcycles. I don't know what you went for? It clearly says PG-13 as well. Would you take your 8 year old to "Angels & Demons". Ok yeah, no video game/toy tie-in but really? Would you want a Tom Hanks as "Robert Langdon" action figure? Whatever, I liked it. Can't wait to pick apart all the great ILM work in HD on my monitors once the BR's are out. As far as the racism goes, hillbillies and rednecks are ok to portray in G rated (Cars) movies but 2 Robots that probably made young minority kids laugh and feel more welcome than made fun of (and I know some fools in Flushing just like them 2) is a travesty? Maybe that picayune crap is still looked at in the way you guys are reacting but not by me and my friends here in Bayside NY. We just see an action packed, funny ass robot destruction summer movie with hot lady a$$ on motorcycles too. :) People crying racism over this only want to perpetuate it. As for the dog/leg humping. My uncles dogs do that all the time and my 5 year old cousin laughs his a$$ off. Maybe it's time to throw in the towel cause you ain't cool and you're old as ?@!# in your opinions. Diceptiwhatevers.....Mobilize!!!
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The only people who bitch about racism are people who are racist. FACT
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Or did he act 'black' just the right amount? And why did the holographic cop in the cop car Decepticon have to be white? With a mustache? And why were the Autobots American cars? Racism and ethnocentric overtones. Sad.
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Every other straight male on set is overcome by the sight of The Mega Fox - Bay just keeps on jizzing as his pumped-up military keeps on rolling out at his command... BAYHEM! HOO-AAH!!!
*shakes, comes in his pants*
Goddamn, that was good... Bring on more hardware!
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ROTFL!
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Never mind kids, Kathryn Bigelow, Michael Mann and James Cameron are here to save the cinematic day.
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Good God, u people are fucking retarded! Lucas is a racist? Yeah right...I didnt even know what a Stepppen Fetchit was when the 99 reviews came out, some of them anyway, slamming Jar Jar with that garbage...I think its worse to look for racism when its not there to see it so blatantly. Dumb ass fuckers, all of you who think Lucas and Bay are racists...so goes society, we are now a nation of cry-baby, reactionary, full blown weak ass, PC pussies. FUCk you all.
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You gushed over that pile of steaming excrement. It was far more offensive in tone and it was literally a shitty movie. I'm going to enjoy the hell out of TF2 for what it is a trill ride, a big fucking popcron movie. Not an artsy fartsy indie cinema experience. You talk about foul mouths. You are one to talk. You use the word Fuck more than Tony Montana.
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And how can Jar Jar be racist when he's performed by a black man? DUH!
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Stepin' Fetchit. Black guy played him too.
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I am sure I will enjoy this now. harry, you have proven to have no crediabilty by accepting free gifts, bribes and whatever else to elicit positive reviews despite the obvious. How for fuck's sake can u dislike this film and love all over "Armageddon?" You sir are an idiot, from your Obama support alone.
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Sorry guys, I tried to end it but this halfwit asked for it.
Chaz honey, you really believe the GOP caused this crash when it was the GOP that has been calling for the reform of Freddie and Fannie for more than a decade now? If by "cause" you mean they didn't do enough to force change onto the lenders and their toxic loan policies, then I would agree with you.
Not too long ago John McCain himself attemtped to introduce legislation that would put an end to the toxic loans and fucktards like Barnie Frank and his cronies shouted McCain down before the legislation even made it out of the committee level. McCain predicted EXACTLY the mess we are in today, but here you are incorrectly blaming him and the GOP.
Sorry bucky, but the GOP weren't the ones that began this mess 10-15 years ago by "encouraging" the lenders to start giving out these toxic loans to people who never had a chance in hell of paying the loans back (loan welfare anyone?), and the GOP weren't the ones that blocked the legislation that may have stopped this economic tumble before it ever began.
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He made me hate black voice actors.
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...I really didn't want to jump on the fucking politics carousel again. Everyone please bite your tongue and ignore my post so we can avoid another unless and fruitless political bitch session!
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Bay tells Associated Press "the Racist bots are for the kids"! In other news Producers and writers blame the the terrible aspects of ROFT on Bay. What does Bay say about the critics?:"C'mon guys critics? Give me a break. Do you all have short term memory? They killed the first one, and it still became a world-wide smash. I made this for the you, the audience!" GOOD JOB BAY
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99% of you assholes need to know the true definition of racist before throwing it around so freely.
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Clank clank, nooka....clank clank!
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Let's pray bad word of mouth will kill this film in the coming weeks. I do not think it will come close to Dark Knight numbers because what shot DK to the moon were the glowing reviews and WORD OF MOUTH. Which is still extremely important today. Why do you think Hangover is doing as well as it's doing? I see at least a 50% drop in numbers for TF2 by next weekend.
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http://tinyurl.com/met9gc
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I don't get, though, why some who didn't care for the first movie, would pay to see the sequel in a theater. Why would you be expecting better from this director?
I thought the first Transformers movie had a bit of charm to it, largely due to the Spielberg-influenced 'boy and his car' storyline. I didn't think so much of it that I'd waste $20 in a theater to see the sequel. I'll likely wait for the DVD or HBO.
Anyway, the flick is what it is. If I do go with friends I won't be expecting a coherent story or 'acting' from Lebouf or Fox (by the way, is it me or does she, despite her hotness, look really plastic-y?). I also think Bay is over rated as an action director. There are other directors, like Doug Liman, who can shoot a better action sequence. Some of Bay's movies do offer an escapist good time though, even if it is junky, like watching a badly-dubbed Japanese monster movie, which TF was obviously influenced by.
Take heart lovers of good stories and cinema, good stories are out there or coming our way. I'm looking forward to Shutter Island, and there are also many fine new novels out there which I encourage you to read. -
Jun 24, 2009 6:13:48 PM CDT
Maybe, ZodNotGod, but maybe you should also learn the history
by continentalop
Of racist caricatures in American History. Blackface, Minstrel shows, and such images as Picaninnies,Sambos, Darkies and Coons. Then maybe you would see where people who have a deeper understanding of America's history might be a little offended by Jar Jar Bink's resemblance to a character that Willie Best might have played, and how just because a black man portrayed him doesn't mean it can't be a racist stereotype (Stepin Fetchit and Amos N' Andy were also played by black people).
Lets put it this way - if you saw a bunch of guys wearing arm bands with Swastikas on there arms you might be alarmed, and if they insisted it wasn't because of the Nazis but because they liked Hindu culture you might be a little skeptical because really, who doesn't know about the Nazis. That is how some of us feel - really Lucas, you didn't see the resemblance between Jar Jar and some of the racist characters in the past. You're old enough to know better. -
everything you hated about the movie, Bay stuffed in there because he doesn't give a crap and all he could see before his eyes was BIG BUDGET + 42 ROBOTS + 'SPLOSIONS + MEGAN FOX. That's it, that's all he wants - and I for one love him for making such an over the top and massively flawed film, because he can. Think he wants any awards? Pah!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_XmCJ_Z2Y
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The same author who endorses BORAT (and BRUNO) for being offensive and vulgar chastises another film for being just that. Harry, either you sold your soul to the devil or you're a solid flopper.
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The cartoon had plenty of "black" bots. You purists got exactly what you wanted...
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"In Ways I Thought Unthinkable"
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Jun 24, 2009 6:20:41 PM CDT
Hairy Nutsack, it was Republican’s with their VETO PROOF MAJORIT
by charlesthomasmathews1978
That forced Clinton to remove the Glass-Stegall Act (created after the Great Depression which was also caused by Republicans) which was DIRECTLY responsible for the collapse. Oh and John McCain would have saved you with his brilliant legislation? The same John McCain that picked an ignorant know nothing white trash hillbilly from Alaska as his Vice President? The same John McCain that was one of the Keating 5? The same John McCain that was singing BOM BOMB BOM IRAN last year, let’s see Mr. I Crashed Five Planes™ sing that to Neda’s parents, eh? The same John McCain who said “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” a few months before the crash? The Same John McCain that said, even after the collapse, that there was “too much” regulation. Also, the reason Barney Frank and Sen. Dodd didn’t come down on Fannie and Freddie was because those companies were cooking the books and they didn’t have the insider information that John McCain corrupt, stubby little fingers got a hold of. So fuck you and your Fox News lies. Oh and of course like the good little drone that you are you trot out the old “they were giving out loans to poor people i.e. minorities which is what YOU REALLY MEAN! The Republican’s/GOP/ Conservative’s had control of two of the three branches of Government from 1994 to 2006 and control of over all three from 2001 to 2009 and it was during this time that the worst terrorist attack in the country’s history happened because Republican’s didn’t pay attention to the warning’s. An entire city was allowed to be destroyed while Bush and McCain ate cake. You fuckers also used 9/11 to start a war with a country that didn’t attack you and created a torture program to illicite false confessions in order to justify that war not to mention the illegal wiretapping of dissenters, critics and political opponents never mind that your kind blew the cover of a CIA agent. In short, you are a pathological lair and a piece of shit.
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Jun 24, 2009 6:22:27 PM CDT
Great point Conti. It is called lowest common denominator
by toadkillerdog
I do not think Bay is necessarily a racist - but is insensitive as hell, and does not care, because he appeals to the lowest common denominator, and he gets his cheap laughs at the expense perpetuating a historical stereotype. Lucas, on the other hand is an out and out racist who knew damn well what he was doing, and did not care because: 1) he really is a racist, and 2) he felt burned by being forced to include a black man prominently in his first trilogy. After being pilloried for three years after Star Wars. I also blame the writers who felt they could get away with it.
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Jun 24, 2009 6:24:54 PM CDT
ALSO, DIPSHIT, OBAMA HAS TO SPEND TO DIG YOU OUT OF THE HOLE....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Since you fucking tanked the world economy he had to pass the stimulus Bill which is the exact same thing that Clinton did when he took charge which is why there was an economic upswing during his Administration. But fucking morons like you were to preoccupied about where he put his dick. To bad you fucking traitors don’t pay that much attention to the 5,000 soldiers that you murdered in a war for oil. My only worry in life is that there is no Hell for you to burn in for eternity.
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Please read the talkback before posting.
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The only film worse than Transformers 2 is the Street Fighter: Chun Li movie. And at least that wasn't remotely as gutter trash as this piece of "art". I hope when Michael Bay steps up to accept his effects Oscar he is wearing a white hood and burns a cross on the red carpet. This movie pissed me off more than anything in the last decade.
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Jun 24, 2009 6:27:36 PM CDT
Orbots Commander, MEGAN FOX IS A SOULESS DEAD EYED ZOMBIE FUCKDO
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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A somewhat fair point about Harry and Borat, but not entirely because Borat was a comedy that aimed to be offensive as hell. People knew going into it what they were getting. The equivalent is if you went to a Richard Pryor concert in the 70's and were offended at his language and content. Transformers is aimed squarely at kids. It has no reason for such racist stereotypes. And the fact that the cartoon had them does not excuse it either. Plenty of cartoons were offensive or played upon stereotypes. It does not make them right.
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Transformers is aimed at kids (it's a 2hr toy commercial, for christ's sake!).
Borat is aimed at retarded college students.
I dunno about you, but I don't want my 9 year old thinking ANYTHING from Transformers 2 is funny or appropriate.
Well, actually, most of the talkbackers would want their kids emulating a Michael Bay film.... bunch of classless, brainless, f'cked up liberals who have so many drugs in their systems and so spoiled by welfare that they don't have braincells anymore... -
I think I'm intelligent enough to see a movie and not equate it with the intelligence of African-Americans. The characters are goofy comedic CG created robots. Indiana Jones re: I don't see all modern day Germans as members of the third Reich.
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Harry, this whole motherly attitude doesn't become you. It rings false and sounds sillier than the quote I mentioned earlier. If you don't like the movie, that's fine, if it's juvenile humor flops and it's characters are lifeless, okay.
IT'S MOTHERFUCKING MICHAEL BAY MAKING A MOTHERFUCKING MOVIE ABOUT MOTHERFUCKING ROBOTS.
we didn't really expect any humanity, and figured the jokes would suck. -
Jun 24, 2009 6:34:41 PM CDT
CORRECTION, GOP CONTROL OF ALL THREE BRANCHES 01 TO 06
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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Had a really big anti-immigrant sentiment just as the whole political climate was tense regarding that issue.
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That is not the point. Sure, you may be smart enough not to equate the twins, and their antics with racist stereotypes: but those racist stereotypes should not be present at all. They serve no purpose other than going for a cheap joke at the expense of perpetuating historical stereotypes. There are far better ways to get humor. This smacks of K and O lazy writing. The same they exhibited in Star Trek. It also smacks of a director who doesnt give a damn either.
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Aintitcool.com is being ripped on numerous other sites for all the "hate" here. About time people noticed... strange it took a Transformers sequel... I'll still gladly visit this site for mostly info but the hate has definitely gotten out of hand especially in talkbacks.
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Big ffing deal. There are scenes seeming racist? So what. Everyone is racist. Which makes us all equal. In reality, there is only one race, the human race, but there is to much money to be made from keeping us divided. And the hate for Reps/Cons on this site is breathtaking. Did it occur to some of you that you are hating on a lot of really good people, who may just differ from you in a few superficial ways.
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First off, I am a fiscal conservative and socially pseudo-liberal. Which means I believe people should take care of their own damn selves but I am not opposed to helping them socially when they run into trouble through no fault of their own. I believe in social safety nets, I do not believe in cradle to grave socialized welfare for anyone other than those who simply cannot help their situation, such as the mentally disabled. So fuck you motherfucker, I'm no Fox News tit sucker like you so incorrectly jumped on me for.
I'm going to address one thing and one thing only from your diatribe because most of it is "Spare Chage" level stupidity and bile that isn't worth commenting on.
"...trot out the old “they were giving out loans to poor people i.e. minorities which is what YOU REALLY MEAN!"
No you stupid racist fuck, I mean people of any race that cannot afford to pay back a loan period. There are millions upon millions of people who are white that are holding these toxic home loans, ridiculously far more whites than anyone else. The fact that you think it's only minorities is incredibly telling of your racism and bigotry. Of course the fact that they are not giving out these loans to people you assumed were minorities anymore doesn't even register on your radar does it, because it completely and totally shatters your bullshit socialist world view now doesn't it?
No one should be able to get a loan if they cannot afford to pay it back period. Where oh where did the myth that anyone should be allowed to buy a home regardless of ability come from? Oh yeah, it was uber-left morons like yourself.
I, my wife, our two kids, and our little dog live in an apartment because we cannot afford a home right now. Because we believe it would be irresponsible to attempt to buy a home when we cannot afford to make the payments. I know, I know, the idea of people being responsible is a notion you simply cannot wrap your feeble mind around, but it's something we believe in and live every goddam day.
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Kindly piss off.
I find it off to label people who didn't care for any movie as 'haters'. WTF?? What does that even *mean*? If I hated a particular novel, or magazine article, does that also make me a 'hater'?
Please go grow a brain, and *think* something through before you write or say it.
I swear, some people just don't seem to have an internal EDIT function before they spout inanities.
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The only people getting offended are white people. No one else gives a shit about the racism that does not exist in this movie.
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...apparently I need an 'Edit' button on this site though.
(Please, Harry)
I meant to write: "I find it odd to label people who didn't care for any movie as 'haters'. WTF?? What does that even *mean*? If I didn't care for a particular novel, or magazine article, does that also make me a 'hater'? -
Yes, you probably are an intelligent enough person to not equate it with a certain group. But let me ask you, when you see the crows in Dumbo, do you think they are supposed to represent black people? Or how about the crows in Fritz the Cat or the animals in Coonskin? Do you see them as representing black people or just animals? And if you and others come to the conclusion they are supposed to be representing black people, why is that?
Because those cartoon characters displayed traits that have historically been used in stereotypical portrayals of black people.
That is the thing about caricatures,they display stereotypical traits. And racist or racially insensitive caricatures (which blacks have had to deal with for a long time) are mostly negative traits. And the thing is many of those (mostly negative) traits appear in both Jar Jar and the Twins.
Now you can say it is unintentional, which is a fair argument, but don't say people are reading into something when American film (and especially animation - Coal Black and the Seben Dwarves anyone?) has been using these images and associations for 80+ years to make the connotation between them and people of a certain race. That is like saying people are crazy for seeing Christian imagery in the Neo character from the Matrix just because he is the "one" and he returns from the dead. Even if such imagery wasn't intentional, it is would be very rational for people to notice it and come to a conclusion about what the filmmakers are implying. -
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You seem to speak truthful. Good luck talking sense into some of these propaganda soaked sponges.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:08:38 PM CDT
Hairy Nutsack, YOU BEAT YOUR WIFE, MOLEST YOUR KIDS AND…..
by charlesthomasmathews1978
FUCK THE DOG WHEN NO ONE IS LOOKING WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!
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Made my point, and he did with 1/5 the words.
Concise my friend. Concise. -
Jun 24, 2009 7:10:46 PM CDT
Bay on JarJarBots:"they were kind of written but not really writ
by bmacsmith
Bay said the twins' parts "were kind of written but not really written, so the voice actors is when we started to really kind of come up with their characters."kinda says it all about this stinking pile of shit, doesnt it?
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Hmmm let's see... I made Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and that made 20 billion for some fuckin reason, so now i'm assuming people love SHIT!! I got away with this a few times before with Hook and Lost World, so why not? Fuck you, moviegoing public, I'm getting paid, bitches!!!
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Saying Transformers can only be dumb because the cartoon was dumb is like saying Batman can only be silly because the 60s TV series was silly.
Watch this and tell me Transformers is dumb:
http://tinyurl.com/mjs4dg
http://tinyurl.com/lvjwkb
I would say Transformers has a richer universe and characters than Harry Potter, yet alas TF is treated shoddily in its adaptation.
This critic sums up the problem with the film:
http://tinyurl.com/m2aqrf
On the DVD commentary of the first film Bay says he was initially dismissive of Transformers but saw the light, I suspect that he is still dismissive of the source material but sees it as a way to make money.
Bay is a snob who won't take TF seriously, that's why he plasters every scene with "humour", he does so because he has no interest in the Transformers. This is the typical reaction of film-makers who think they are above material.
Transformers started as a toyline but grew into something much more via the comics.
TF is the only really serious portrayal of robots in pop culture as something more than mindless tools (Terminator) or cute pets (WALL-E, Short Circuit), portraying TFs as pets is a big no-no for me, it totally goes against the concept.
The beginning of Revenge of the Fallen was hugely promising, the prologue and opening scenes work well, but as soon as the kitchen bots appear Bay's inability to take it seriously creeps in more and more.
After the forest battle, the only set-piece in the film other than the opening which really feels like Transformers, the "Bay cancer" spreads throughout the film, poisoning its bloodstream.
Its frustrating because great movies can be made from Transformers. Yes, some of the mythology is there, but its very heavily truncated and squeezed in rather than being at the heart of the film.
Optimus, Megatron vs Starscream, and Jetfire (some funny lines but he is never allowed to be serious) work, but the rest of the robot characters are shunted into the background, largely, it seems, so we can see more of Car Car Binks and Bay's "humour".
The Pretender is totally pointless.
Transformers is about sentient robots, in order for that premise to work, characterisation must be a priority, which is why Bay was the wrong choice to direct. -
All the talkbackers who loved Borat shouldn't talk about Transformers as offensive unless you admit Borat was, because Borat simply was. The stuff in Transformers 2 is mild compared to Borat when it comes to offending people. I saw Transformers 2 earlier today and it seemed like an even bigger version of the first Transformers film. The African American audience I was in, for the politically correct who frequent this site, laughed and seemed to love it - many applauding at the end. Have you been to a comedy film aimed at African Americans? This was tame and really not offensive, unless you are a certain PC humorless type.
Lots of robots fighting - in fact fans will love it because they won't have to wait. The robot slaughter starts right away.
Megan Fox has more to do in 2 and she does it well for a young actress with not a lot of roles yet... I strongly disagree with those who find fault with her... fun bits with the little robot. Shia is fine and they worked his real life hand injury in very well. Great to see Aaron Pierce from 24 playing a general. He has those military and government agent roles down pat. The dogs screwing is silly but the audience I was in laughed loud. Guess the tame souls here have never witnessed it in real life.
Lots of explosions, very well shot scenes, and plenty for the chi chi folks who like boring movies on this site to hate. Including Harry who lately I've been disagreeing with. Which is good.
The story made sense to me, and flowed OK, and once again I wonder how reviewers here and elsewhere can space out and not follow along. It could've been trimmed of some of the battle stuff, but that's what the movie is really about. Ignore the critics, unless you are really like them, and see this if you want. Once again proof not to take a critics word unless you really are in lockstep with everything they say. -
And that is that some guy called Joshua has told me I'm not allowed to dislike and criticise a movie on a site built around the idea of discussing film until I become a director.
Wowsers, thanks for the lesson. I actually agree about the lack of respect to a certain Mr Orci, but fucked if I can agree with the assertion I can't call a movie crap unless I've made one myself.
Fuck it! To get around that, I'm going to film a 5 minute short story based on the love between my left hand and my cock, written, produced and DIRECTED by me. There, now I can have an opinion again...joy! My opinion is that your assertion was bullshit of the highest order and I'll criticise whatever the hell I like. -
Jun 24, 2009 7:17:09 PM CDT
mitortilla, Hairy Nutsack IS GOP WHICH MEANS HE'S A PATHOLOGICAL
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I don't believe a fucking word of what he says because for his kind reality is optional and facts have a liberal bias. Fuckwads like him will say or do anything to justify their greed and selfishness and that’s because he’s a sociopath who has a complete lack of empathy for any other human being which is A-typical of the Republican mindset. I don’t believe for one second that he’s married or has kids because what fucking whore would marry a cuntrag like him and shit out his kids? Not even the Chicken Lady from the end of Todd Browning’s Freaks is that desperate.
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to crit Bayformers you also have to have millions of dollars from exploiting idiots and do a lot of coke. apologists are so bad at making excuses for this movie.
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I don't really see what the big problem is. what about the people that are saying "oh well, one has a gold tooth, they talk in street slang, they can't read, and they're bumbling idiots...why...they must be making fun of black people!" like in this day and age there aren't just as many white people that act the exact same way.
second, i think its pretty shitty that most of the people posting on this board are bad mouthing the movie, yet they haven't even seen it for themselves. you can all talk about how you "weep for the future of our country" based on people's opinion of a movie, but at least those people are going out and forming their own goddamn opinions. if everyone acted like you fucking pricks, then america never would have come to be and everyone would be rocking red coats.
did i like the movie?? yeah, it wasn't bad. wasn't the greatest thing ever, but it wasn't this godforsaken "abomination" that people claim it to be. its been said many times already, but for fucks sake its a movie about a cartoon from the eighties. did you guys seriously expect it to win an oscar? and i feel bad for the people that say the plot doesn't make sense, you might not have liked it, but it made perfect sense. if you couldn't follow it, then maybe you should wait the Thomas the Train movie coming next summer, maybe that's more your speed. -
FUCK MICHAEL BAY!
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FUCK MICHAEL BAY!
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FUCK MICHAEL BAY!
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i would like to hear Spike's opinion on this shit.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:21:15 PM CDT
im not gonna jump on the racist bandwagon, i just want to say
by bmacsmith
this movie sucks balls.
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"The only people getting offended are white people. No one else gives a shit about the racism that does not exist in this movie."
There's probably an air of truth to that. I wouldn't call it racism exactly, I'd lean more towards bigotry. We should all know by now that there is always a certain amount of truth to stereotypes of this kind, whether they are supposed to be black or wiggers or whatever, that's what usually makes this sort of thing so morbidly funny sometimes. And I would agree that the reaction to this particular stereotypical portrayal may be over the top.
From a creative standpoint it's just a WTF thing. Why would alien robots choose this ridiculous behavior to emulate anymore than why would Jazz in TF1 choose to breakdance as he transforms? Creatively the idea is ridiculous knowing the established background of these characters, even in Bay's TF universe, is that they are centuries old battle-hardened warriors...who ingest the internet when they land and apparentely then emulate the absolutely stupidest parts of Earth culture. These warriors chose to emulate wigger/street/whatever culture rather than say Rambo? Yeah that makes sense. -
Jun 24, 2009 7:21:26 PM CDT
This movie was a bigger turd than I could've imagined...
by fuckmichaelbay
...I defy you to defend Bay after he has brazenly assumed your an idiot lemming that would lap this shit up. Flock to the theater with your children and waste your hard earned money to be insulted, when you could take them to a baseball game for the same amount.
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there's at least 20 more reasons why this movie sucked.
and will someone tell me why the hell did the decepticons bring sams parents out to the set from transformers 1? why were they there!?
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i assume you mean the desert scene?? they brought them out as a distraction, kind of like ransom thing, its harder to fight when you have to protect people too.
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I've loved transformers since the 80s and was really planning on seeing this. I didn't expect it to be good. I just wanted big robots hitting each other. I'm not going to go now. The fear of giving Bay one more penny to make another film is horrifying enough to keep my away from Fallen until one of my friends rents it someday.
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Sign me up. All I want and expect out of this movie is huge robots kicking the shit out of each other. If it delivers that, then I will consider my $10 well spent on the movie ticket. I don't care about the other characters in the slightest. BTW, the new Terminator was a fucking AWESOME movie...and Harry hated it. I'm pretty sure that I'm going to really like this new Transformers movie.
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Yawn.
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See, I don't even remember that part. The whole desert scene was a big blur of random robots being shown for a second and people running away from explosions.
I was pretty sad that I kept yawning and actually thought..."Man when is this over?"
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LOL!!!!! good call buddy.
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Wow, are people supposed to take you seriously after your last several posts? You're a bigger stereotype than Car Car Binks here. I'm having trouble believing you're a real person at this point. FFS!
And fuck you right in your stupid goddam ass for the comments about my family and for suggesting I lack empathy for my fellow man. Building homes in Mexico, feeding Mexican orphans with my own hands, and doing years of charity work down there gives me the right say I hope you get AIDS and die you ignorant fuckrag. Enjoy some prostate cancer while your at it you fucking waste of oxygen.
Too bad you aren't here face to face so I could go Will.I.Am on your Perez Hilton like soft ass. No doubt in my mind you would crumble like tin foil when presented with a real confrontation, you cowardly internet tough guy. I'm officially done responding to your ignorant, RACIST nonsense. Enjoy the AIDS and cancer, expect zero more responses from me. -
Ummm, why is Optimus Prime taking out decepticons like a drugged up crazy man??
Ripping off faces, shooting already defeated guys in head, pulling spines, punching in neck, etc just a lot of unnessary brutality. Cant Bay do action with out overkill?? I dont think Superman, Batman or Spidey would act like this in fact they havent in there movies. So why is are hero Optimus fighting like this? Not very hero like..... FUCKING BAY -
the green one...I dont remember his name...he's kinda crouching down and shooting from the hip behind the humans in the desert scene...kinda looked like a Gundam.
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i agree, it wasn't the greatest but i got what i wanted out of it, so i'm not gonna trash it. they could have done without the whole college part for sure though!
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Oh and Ravage was cool...but that robot he spits out...i couldnt tell if it was floating or if it like was balancing on a tail or wtf it was....
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i know exactly what part you mean, and yes he looked cool. and the forest fight was sick. pretty much anything without fighting sucked, but thats not why i wanted to see it.
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What? Jar Jar-ese was Jamaican Patois, was it? And I bet Watto was a veiled send-up of money-grubbing jews, wasn't he? Or was he Italian? No one could decide! You couldn't resist another stab at Lucas could you, Harold? One thing I always liked about him is that he never pandered to geek sites like this. Believe me, if Lucas had showered AICN with 'pwesents' then Harold would have been eating out of his hand forever more, instead of harboring a perpetual grudge. No doubt Bay's latest shit-bomb opus has distateful elements, but his whole resume is in extreme bad taste and an insult to viewers, so what else is new?! He's the king of tacky, sugar rush, cinematic junk food, and it seems this time out even the general public have gorged themselves to vomit-level on his cinematic turdburgers. But that's no reason for Harold to come out with racist allegations - and its no reason to bring tiresome diatribes about Lucas' supposed racial caricatures out of the closet straight from 1999, by apparent 'association' (Lucas deserves far more respect, for many reasons, than Mikey 'lord of cinematic tat' Bayhem). This site is hardly the bastion of good taste, morality, or even common sense. You've got no integrity, on any level or on any issue fat man, so stick to bizarre, sticky doughnut-fuelled metaphors about chocolate-covered pussy juice, and leave serious issues to intelligent people.
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was like the coolest character lol. when he was shooting at the soldiers and hopping back and forth he looked awesome. i'm gonna train my dog to do that
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I haven't seen the movie but after the reviews I've read, I don't want to see it. I will probably agree with Harry after seeing it (on cable next may or june probably) but I will say this is his most lucid posting in a while. It's straightforward, lacking lewd commentary and doesn't drift into weird asides (I'm looking at you Marley and Me posting). It's weird that this site's reviews mostly refer to the racial stereotypes and maybe Arfican American comedies and Airplane are laughing with African American stereotypes while a movie like transformers isn't a parody and possibly therefore shouldn't present a stereotype at all. And I know Airplane was written by white people and maybe some of the African American comedies are too, but maybe it's just that Michael Bay is doing this that it smacks of having a racist bent. Maybe I'm just too harsh on Bay, but I read in an esquire or GQ interview where he parked his sports car in a handicapped spot during the interview for pete's sake. Sounds like a great guy.
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From what I've been reading here for years on the AICN forums is that everyone, the majority, hates something and always try to bully someone who thinks differently. TRANSFORMERS ROTF is just another example. Now I'm not gonna get one some STFU haters mode, but opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and thinks the others stink. This is true but try to explain yourself on why the hate is there, not some "michael Bay sucks" tirade.
I liked the film, there I said it, I didn't mind all the "dreaded explosions", "racist robots" or so-called "mess of a story". It was sid in the first film that the Autobots/decepticons were millions of years old so it was no surprise to me that their was ancient autonomous robotic organisms before the ones we all know and love. I noticed the little touches from G1 in the movie such as The Matrix of Leadership, energon and definitely the Megatron and Starscream's rivalry. loved Starscream's G1 cowardice was present here too. Plain and simple , I liked the film and that doesn't make me anomally, just willing to accept my own beat I dance to. -
after every battle? How tall is Prime anyway. He was tall as the pyramid in one shot, but at the graveyard he was smaller than tombstone.
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Actually...at that graveyard scene optimus is all dirty and even has mud caked on his windshields.
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couldn't have said it better myself. People arguing about soundwave being a satellite. like they really wanted him to be a tape deck? how bout the fact that starscream is an f-22 and not an f-15. Things change for a reason, not to mention, soundwave did about as much in this movie as he did in the old show, he spit out little trasformers to do his dirty work. what else do you want?
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But you used to love Jar Jar
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I can't possibly know the mindset of Disney writers/Animators had in the 1940's. It is a fact Societal norms are very much different today. Ralph Bakshi was/is a maverick. He didn't care who he offended. So, I don't know if we can apply this to someone who pretty much told society to fuck off in general.
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Jun 24, 2009 7:59:21 PM CDT
Hairy Nutsack, MORE LIES AND THREATS OF PHYSICAL VIOLENCE.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
All hallmarks of a GOP D-bag. Years of charity work in Mexico HAHAHAHAHA you fucking liar. If you ever were in Mexico it was more then likely for underage boys to ass fuck. A person who devotes oh so much time helping the poor of Mexico and yet you have no sympathy for the poor of your own country? If your gong to lie then at least make up something that sounds plausible for a member of the GOP like shitting in a cup and giving it to a blind orphan who’s hungry, you wife beating, dog fucking, child molester. FFFFFFUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK YYYYYYYOOOOOOOUUUUUU!!!
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I think it's Ratchet's work if it after battle
But if you talking about how they look tarnished when robotic compared to vehichle form flawless look, I think it's just a ILM or storywise ploy to make them look more defined and less artificial for the camera by giving them flaws in robot form maybe
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Thanks...Soundwave's voice was close enough too. Liked that he's still up there waiting, and keeping the Decepticon's "in the know" even as the movie's over. i wonder if TF3 is made, will Blaster, the Autobot's version of soundwave, be introduced? or even UltraMagnus and Hot Rod?
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I love these posters who make a one sentence, drive-by comment and end it with FACT. As if your insightful analysis is beyond reproach, and there is no logic that can overcome it. "The only people who bitch about racism are people who are racist. FACT"--OOOOKAY SlapStickJim. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I am enlightened.
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Just the way things roll on AICN. Personally, 90% of what Harry seems to report on comes off as BS anyways. It's biased, obviously, from his point of view. I find nothing wrong with enjoying a bad movie so long as you have fun. Hell, this is a movie based on a cartoon that ripped off it's premise from two defunct Japanese toylines so they could reissue them and sell it to American kiddies. It worked on me. Hoist was a fricking actor in one episode of the cartoon. OMFG! That's so lame, blah blah blah. With years and years of contradicting source material I'm just happy seeing Optimus on the big screen. Would you prefer gorilla Beast Wars Prime? Wasn't Jazz pretty much a walking talking stereotype? Fuck people, if you enjoy it then cool, if you hated then cool. One person's opinion doesn't matter vs another, you know? Especially Harry. His movie tastes suck.
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Well said. Optimus' presence and impact as a leader and warrior were well shown in this movie as well as the fact he no longer wasn't hesitant to battle his "brother" Megatron. Prime made Megs look like the menacing oppotunist-yet fearsome Decepticon leader we saw in G1
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Jun 24, 2009 8:17:44 PM CDT
filegumbo, I STARTED THE WHOLE "FACT" THING BACK IN 2003
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I started doing it as a homage to Lloyd Kaufman's book All I Need to Know about Filmmaking I Learned from the Toxic Avenger. At the end of one of his ridiculous stories he ends it with the word FACT.
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People who say "its based on a 80s cartoon" are morons.
That's like saying Batman is "based off a camp 60s TV show".
Like the 60s Batman shows, the 80s Transformers cartoon is ONE interpretation of Transformers. The numerous (vastly superior) comics are equally valid interpretations.
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You started this...damn you! Well, as the originator of so epic a closing phrase, you are the only one who can use it. I kinda preferred "Fuck first posters, fuck them up their asses," but that hasn't been used in a long time.
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stand by your convictions dudes.
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....and some people may not like the "interpretation" of Transformers but heck, we shouldn't try to make one another sound like a moron for haven't different opinions. I'm glad it payed homage but didn't imitate the "80's cartoon" where they are immune to human weaponry, could have destroyed humanity but chose just to fight one another and never get killed until the animated movie. In place we got these two films that were good to me. Fighting machines that posed a direct threat to humanity, showing their true destructive nature and the consequence of their war. Remember how the human world of the G1 series were like power rangers, magically rebuilt after every giant robot fight? No the movie. Thank god we didn't get the 60's Bat, wait a minute we did..ask Joel Shumacher
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Jun 24, 2009 8:39:16 PM CDT
filegumbo, I ALSO COINED AVATAR - FUCKING YOUR EYEBALLS IN 2009
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Back in late 2007 and Motoko Kusanagi, Ceiling Cat bless him, has been running with it ever since. I’m a virtual catchphrase machine, FUCK ME, I should be writing Transformers 3 and taking it in both ends like Bob Orci does from Spielberg and Bay.
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I used to think the same thing that Harry thought, that Mudflap and Skids were racists stereotypes, but than I remembered that the African American community elevated Soulja Boy to idol status, a guy who can barely speak English and is worse than any black face act Whites have ever put out, EVER, and then I remembered how this wasn't an isolated incident, and how the African American community makes heroes out of those kinds of people, over and over and over again, the latest examples being T-Payne, Akon, that Jamacan douche who sings that song about taking his "girl to the slums" and the chorus of his new song goes "she's cool like fire. COOL LIKE FIRE!!" Idiot doesn't even know that fire is hot, and I'm supposed to complain because some black guy voiced a robot who can't read?!? Give me a break.
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Could you provide some elaboration? How does it work? I freelance in the film and video industry, would I qualify?
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Jun 24, 2009 8:52:35 PM CDT
I HAVE HEARD HAIRY NUTSACK AND CHARLESTHOMASMATHEW'S ARGUMENTS
by ayatollahsexyback
and here is my verdict:
Hairy. You parroted all the standard Republican talking points with strong conviction.
Charles. You effectively debunked every last talking point with deadly precision. You made a great, patriotic case for a public healthcare plan.
Charles wins.
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I hate Autotune!!! Soulja Boys sux and I'm ashamed my fellow people think it's hot music, hot shit...I was desensitized the Skids and Mudflap by the crows in Dumbo, The screaming Black dolphins of Family Guy and years of other crap that's exploited my people. It's sad many of us would rather see a fiend like R.Kelly free because "they like his music" which started sucking many moons ago if you aske me...back to the topic, Lil Wayne's even worse and many think he the best? WTF?
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ALL CAPS SUBJECT LINES.
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That are ripping into AICN? I wanna know!
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It amazes me how people are actually angry with him and verbally bashing him... Real classy folks. It's easy to be a know it all when you hide behind a username, but Bob Orci (assuming it's him) was kind enough to come by and share some info and thoughts with us even though people were giving him shit, many of which likely haven't even seen the movie yet. Well Bob, I hope you don't let a few douche bags stop you from commenting here in the future. I was a fan of the first Transformers, cause I knew the kind of movie I was going to see, and I enjoyed it on that level, a fun action flick. So I hope I enjoy the sequel the same way when I go see it tomorrow night.
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The only people I can see who are making an issue out of Mudflap and Skids are White!
The African American community are seeing Mudflap and Skids and nodding their head thinkin', "finally some robots that represent us!"
The most famous African American's in music culture are all much worse than Mudflaps and Skids: Soulja Boy, the Ying Yang Twins, T-Payne, Lil Wayne, etc...
I have always thought that South Park should do a Soulja Boy episode where they find out that Soulja Boy is really a white clansman in black face trying to give African American's a bad name, but how can you deny the obvious. There really is a segment of the community that really does behave like Mudflap and Skids and they are PROUD of it! Racism? Then what do you can a 14 year-old African America dancing around like an idiot while rapping "Watch me super soak that HOE! Super soak that HOE! Superman that HOE!" Talking about spraying down women in semen while HIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY, ADULTS, MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN CLAP AND MAKE HIM A MILLIONAIRE? I'm talking about Soulja Boy by the way. -
Jun 24, 2009 9:00:23 PM CDT
Tell R. Kelly to stop pissing on children you wise ass.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Fred would like to respond to your post -specifically the part about The "African American Community elevated Soulja Boy". Fred heartily disagrees with that assumption. There is no monolithic mind think in the African American Community. Sure, some Blacks liked Soula Boy, just as some Blacks liked Clarence Thomas. Maybe more liked Soulja Boy than Clarence Thomas, but that does not mean that the "African American Community" elevated him. A segment did. Just as as segment of whites elevated the Jonas Bros.
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FUCK MICHAEL BAY!
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Everytime I heard something I didn't like.
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Jun 24, 2009 9:07:47 PM CDT
In todays music, you will find just as many whites
by freds_balls_in_a_mason_jar
Repeating and rapping offensive lyrics, as you do blacks. It does not make it right, but it does mean that you can not pigeonhole one ethnic group any longer. Rap and hip hop have become universal. M&M anyone?
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Long time Orcus no see. Long time Orcus didn't see alot of folks come to think of it
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...on BOOTLEG DVD!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope it was shot in a russian theater, with subtitles with people getting up to buy popcorn and sodas!!! I'm not gonna spend a dime on this, but I'm going to watch it for free and talk about how crappy it is and make fun of it. HATE! HATE! HATE! BOOTLEG DVD!
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"I hope you don't let a few douche bags stop you from commenting here in the future. " Not at all, being an occasional douchebag is the fun of a talkback and I reserve the right to be a douchebag, too. All part of the fun!
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Must suck that you will never make films to the calibur of he who walks on HIGH...THE BAY! BOW BITCHES at his majesty, and blaspheme no more!
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Hello! Fred is very happy to see you posting. It has indeed been quite a while. Fred thought you might have gotten lost doing you mystic time traveling.
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Ok fine. A segment of the community. Fine.
But your mistake is comparing Jonas Brothers to Soulja Boy. I'm not a fan of either, but the Jonas Brothers could easily do what Soulja Boy does - dance around and poorly rhythme words together, whereas Soulja Boy definitely could NOT do what the Jonas Brothers do - actually play instruments and sing in tune.
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Newfangled tings catch Orcus' eye
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Jun 24, 2009 9:13:58 PM CDT
Actually Fred, I brought up a similar point in another TB
by continentalop
And raised the question is Bay making a racist stereotype or is ridiculing a culture and trend that he doesn't like - hip-hop/urban/ghetto rap culture. I guess the question is does he seem to be acting like Michael Richards or is he acting like Chris Rock and his whole "Keeping it real...real stupid!" skit.
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Things
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He's a musician trained in numerous instruments. Including piano and drums.
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Jun 24, 2009 9:15:36 PM CDT
Hello Mr. Boborci - if that is indeed your name! Hee hee
by freds_balls_in_a_mason_jar
Fred has a question, and please forgive Fred if you have answered this before. Were you responsible for painting such a broad and out of date stereotype, or was it an improv by the voice actors that was allowed to stay in the final cut?
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Jun 24, 2009 9:15:57 PM CDT
AyatollahSexyBack, Hairy Nutsack STARTED SWINE FLU IN MEXICO WHI
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He was letting starving Mexican children suckle on his bitch tits and starring in a donkey show.
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If he is the real Bob Orci, I just imagine him at a keyboard with a big smug grin on his face as he types.
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I can't believe somebody said that.
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Hee hee.
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Yeah, Eminem sucks. His music is an embarrassment. Even Lil Wayne is more talented than Eminem. I'm not going to disagree.
The fact that people call either the greatest rapper alive says volumes about the sorry state of hip-hop. Tupac4life. -
Jun 24, 2009 9:19:14 PM CDT
Why exactly is it racist to show a black guy with bad teeth?
by snake foreskin
Was Austin Powers a racist movie? They made tons of jokes about his bad teeth. By Harry's logic, it was racist against Brits. Did Harry pop a zit over it? I think not. Get a life, screwjobs.
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Are you serious? Wanker!
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For every Black performer that you or Fred might find "offensive", Fred is certain that an equal number of white performers can be found. The difference is, that the some want to label an entire community (African American) by the actions of a few.
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I don't think Bay is making fun of the hip-hop/urban/ghetto community at all!
I think he is paying tribute to them to make money! It just so happens that hip-hop culture is such an embarrassment that any attempt at tribute seems like a bad stereotype, because that is basically what hip-hop culture is at this point. Case in point: Soulja Boy. -
...a good natured joke aimed at a British caricature and a joke that brings up a hundred years of slanderous stereotypes, I ain't going to take the time to explain it. But I will give you a hint - one laughed with them, one seems to be laughing at them.
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It was bound to happen
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Certainly not as bad as the reviews here made it out to be, and sure as Hell worth the ticket price. Mudflap and Skids were nowhere near as scandalous as I was hoping they'd be either. You cunts need to grow some fuckin' perspective.
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Been awhile.
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Fred thinks some people are too quick to use the word "racist" when in fact it should be "racially insensitive". Fred does not believe that it is the duty of a Director or writers to provide "sterling examples of racial pride" in their movies. And broad ethnic based humor has it's place and can be very entertaining. But when only the stereotype is presented (which should not be case at all -hence the insensitivity) then you are left with an unbalanced view point, which can lead some folks into really thinking "hey African Americans really behave that way". When in fact, the only knowledge they have of such alleged behavior comes from TV and movies.
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it's really easy to talk about the need for great story and plot...
How a film is hard to watch if it doesn't commit to real drama of any sort, and ruins any sense of real tension with Comedic Beats
Then why the fuck does EVERYONE around love the EVIL DEAD series?
why is Hangover the runaway hit with the critics(not just on here)
it's called going into a movie and knowing it's a comedy, a bruce campbell film.
it's not shakespere,it's fun, just as any comedy is fun.
but then of course, how can you earn your strips as a critic if you don't do the impossible...point out the story and acting flaws is a bay summer movie
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Republican talking points? Conservative maybe, I find very little to admire within the Republican party. I dunno if there's a party for my beliefs exactly, but I've heard it called constructionist or constitutionalist.
So your gonna criticize me for using "Rep talking points" (as if) but give him a pass for parroting Keith Olberman and Michael Moore? LMFAO, ain't that rich? Very neutral evaluation of what I shudder to even call a debate considering the bullshit he levelled at me.
But seriously, a patriotic argument for healthcare? Now that's hilarious, he's a fucking Canadian, a person who sucks on the teet of grandma government for his entire life, from a country whose population is a tenth of the US's but thinks for some reason that their opinion matters oh so much more than anyone else's. A country whose population hates us for being capitalists, but can't sustain their own economy without our capitalism as a foundation.
Canada, America's hat!
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Jun 24, 2009 9:31:48 PM CDT
thegeorger, I AGREE SO PLEASE Boborci, TELL US ABOUT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
How you have to write your scripts phonetically and as monosyllabically as possible for Mr. Bay to read and understand while also including little cartoon stick figures with air bubbles above their heads next to anything involving dialogue so Bay knows that those are for the second unit to shoot. Then tell us if he let you smell his fingers so you could know what Megan Fox’s dirty snatch smelled like? Or did everyone involved in this movie fuck her until cum was spewing out of her mouth, rancid cunt and engorged asshole like Old Faithful? P.S. have you got the newest edition of Studio Executive Cocksucking and Shit Writing for Retarded Fucksticks™ since I assume that Screenwriting for Dummies is a little above your reading level?
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Orcus took a bit of a hiatus, still lurked though. What did Orcus miss?
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sometimes refers to himself in the third-person, and is not above trolling on occasion
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That was touching, I think you just inspired me to write a movie called
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That's all. But you're back just in time for the great Bayformers Battle Royale.
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...that post to Orci was actually pretty goddam funny (especially the first half), but Jesus Christ lay off a little so he'll talk to us.
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You fucking plant.
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Fred was third person speaker for quite a while, Fred glad you are back.
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Orcus' luck, the Apocalypse will include his 37th banning
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I'd see it. Sounds like a lot of people I know.
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Now all we need is JPT, Lost Jarv, Xiphos and a few others
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Was that during that who ShitGirl debacle? Or was that the first?
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Though I think JPT has dropped out for awhile due to... differences with the rest of us.
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To be fair only one line of the post was directed at Orci, and you missed the point... I find it interesting hearing what professionals in the industry have to say about their material (again, assuming it's actually Bob Orci), I DON'T care to hear a bunch of faceless pricks spout off every insult they can think of, with no real point. I can go to any random forum or talkback on the net for that.
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Orcus forgets. Still trying to get the dents out of his pointy eared skull
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What happened there?
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Fred has been absent for a while, what happened with Just Pillow Talk?
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... when u can get crazy bot on bot action, driving a train thru Michael Bay ahem...
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It seems the party is in thread 41375
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...that the Farrelly Brothers are secretly directing half of these movies. I thought the marijuana brownie part was hilarious, dammit. And come on, the granny flipping the bird from the first one (Homer Simpson's definition of 'quirky') is total Farrelly.
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ganymede3010, weren't you one of the guys defending this movie a few days ago, or am I wrong?
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Jun 24, 2009 10:02:55 PM CDT
Hairy Nutsack, HOW MANY US BANKS HAVE CAVED SO FAR?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
How many Canadian banks have failed? Oh, that's right, ZERO and that’s because we have a financial industry that is maintained through regulations that are strict while allowing the free flow of capitalism unlike the US system which is corrupt to it’s core because little greedy rats like you have to fuck everything up for everyone else. “sucks on the teet of grandma government”, another clue that you are GOP scum as that has been the talking point of Republican cocsuckers since that piece of shit Ronald Reagan was making anti-government healthcare PSA’s about how a free healthcare system would lead to communism which is ironic since it was St. Ronnie that created the conditions that would allow companies to buy each other out until you had 4 or 5 multinational conglomerates owning everything because Wall Street style capitalism is really communism in disguise never mind that cum gobbling ass bandits such as yourself didn’t seem to mind Bushco. socializing Wall Street’s 750 billion dollar losses nor do you complain how 900 billion dollars of you money is spent on a military to protect you from people with box cutters never mind that you are more then likely to die from being killed by your wife once she gets tired of you beating her, molesting the kids and fucking the dog then you are ever to die in a terrorist attack you fucking coward. I’ll also assume that you live in a Red State, probably one of the ones that still allows you to marry your 12 year old sister, since white trash GOP’ers always complain about states taking their taxes to put into the pockets of poor people (i.e. minorities) when it is a statistical FACT that Blue States have been carrying you inbred fucking deadbeats for years if not decades because your local economy can’t get by on moonshine and assrape. FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK YYYYYYYOOOOOOOUUUUUU!!!
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" EVERYONE IS A LITTLE RACIST "
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That dropped out bc of disagreements with us. It was someone else, and right now I'm forgetting his name. Damn these dirty Arnold Palmers.
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Why did I think you had been banned during all the crap that went down in the ScriptGirl talkbacks last summer?
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I'm new to posting but I wanted to say thank you to Harry for this site I do read it everyday but this is the first time I felt I needed to comment. With that being said I have read the articles about this and I am shocked at the out come. So let me get this right so called "hip hop" street talk is portrayed by robots in this movie and people are crying racist? Who is more racist you just accused all people who speak slang are of colour? What??? That seems racist to me. Last time I checked street slang and hip hop slang is spoken by people of all colors. So how is poking Fun Of a culture (hip hop whatever you want to refer to it as) Suddenly a race? So I guess thAt meAns groundkeeper Willie needs to be pulled of the air cause he is a racist view of Scottish people. It's a stereotype of a culture Harry not a race. Not all Irish peoe eat potatos and get drunk either. I feel people are kneejerking the PC boat. To further illustrate my point I shall now direct you to a insane clown posse fan most are shite and sound no different than skids or mudflap.
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Which thread was it?
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I'm writing from my iPhone and i typed "shite" at the end there I meant " white" sorry about that.
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Jun 24, 2009 10:15:37 PM CDT
EXPECT RETARDS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DINOBOT'S IN TRANSFORMERS 3
by charlesthomasmathews1978
While fat people bitch about the planet eating Unicron.
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You give Americans a bad name buddy... You clearly have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to Canada... Or your own country for that matter. Canada is an amazing country, and you are a ignorant douche. America needs Canada just like Canada needs America, anyone who doesn't get that is a moron.
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I've already screwed up two stories. Orcus, the ScriptGirl thing was last summer. I wasn't there (perhaps that's why I'm remembering this wrong), but apparently, when she first started out, a bunch of people called her out on her shit, some made a bunch of crude jokes at her expense, and a LOT of people got banned, many people very undeservedly so. I thought you were one of those lost during the SG debacle. I thought your name was mentioned around then. It must have been for something else...
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...if y'all write a third.
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Seriously Orcus doesn't understand why she's here. Is she now a part of AICN because it appears she has her own thing going on. Nice tits though
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I'd like an extreme long shot of an all out robot battle royale. But with Bay, chances of my seeing that are very slim.
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And that's the problem. Harry likes to pretend she is and likes to sell her to us like she's doing all these columns for us... but its all still bullshit. She makes these videos to get noticed and she makes them for YouTube. That's all. Harry just embeds them here. But he likes to lie and pretend she's part of the gang. I will agree, she does have some nice tits. But that doesn't take away from the fact that she doesn't belong here.
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Jun 24, 2009 10:34:59 PM CDT
It's okay guys, I told Mikey it was okay!!
by michael_bays_black_friend
He brought me to his crib, yo, and he said I heard you like black people, so let's put a black person in a Transformer, dawg, and pimp that robot out. Sometimes Mike let's me hang out at his bbqs, and he tells me how much he likes The Wire and rap music. It's cool!
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well what I have to say Is that I see stuff like this every fucking day. seriously, their just goofy heroes that see in comic books or t.v. shows It just harmless fun
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This looks like it will get ugly, no need for a 38th banning. Why does trouble follow Orcus?
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"honestly I'm not in it to be experience a story that will blow my mind.. I'm in it to see stuff from my childhood realized in a ooo that looks fucking awesome kinda way, and that's why I enjoyed it:
That attitude from the average filmgoer is why Hollywood doesn't bother to raise it's own standards when it comes to summer movies. The audience doesn't give a shit so why should they. -
It was still a pretty fun movie to watch. Take it for what it is: a popcorn movie. you're reading too much into things bud.
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This talk back is just like the movie, loud, dumb and full of bad language.
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has the river I'm crying made it to Texas yet? Ah shucks a ding dang doo, thems robotz'r all the racists type.
I need to cut it with the redneck stereo typin' me damn self.
Oh wait. I'm sure Martin King is rolling in his grave over this, like for reals yo! You do realize they probably included those "Hip Hop" robots in a shallow attempt to appeal to a demographic? Ah who gives a fuck? I did however,want to see this movie fail on it's true tortured weakness, not the 7th crappy thing down the list. -
Pure garbage. I didn't know there was a mountain range by the Smithsonian. Same goes with the scene that says "New Jersey" on the screen and you clearly see mountains in the distance. Lazy filmmaking. The parents should have been disemboweled so we wouldn't have to hear their annoying one-liners. Turturro was embarassing along with every visual "gag" already stated previously. And the tagalong roomie was a hoot!
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Reading a review from Steven Lebowitz and he quotes South Park :
"...A couple of years ago the television show “South Park” put out a 3-part episode entitled, “Imaginationland” that went on to win an Emmy. In the episode, terrorists have taken over our imaginations in Imaginationland and the US government enlists the help of some Hollywood filmmakers to help come up with ideas to help stop the terrorist. One of the directors they enlist to try to help them was Michael Bay.
Michael Bay offers some great actions sequences which anger a general to say, “Those aren’t ideas. Those are special effects!” A confused Michael Bay replies, “I don’t understand the difference.” “I know you don’t”, says the general."
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We know they're exaggerations but if there wasn't any truth to them they would be unrecognizable and baffling. In the media's paranoia to avoid any intimation of offense, we end up with (e.g.) commercials where ONLY the white man can be the butt of the joke.
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Once a year I leave my mark,just came back from seeing Prime and friends.Action?Lots of it...did it make any fuking sense??HELL NO...and that's what "summer blockbusters" are all about.Now being a black female,I did not take The Twin to be racial parody,after all Autobots learn everything,from downloadinf shit from the world wide web.Somehow these two found their way on some idiots My Space..MudFlaps sure sounded like Paul Wall.Megan Fox was purely "eye candy" in this one,losing her "hot wire/grap the tow truck" moment she had in the first film.
Transformers reminded me of Bad Boys II which had to be the most FOUL MOUTHED movie,I ever watched in a theater.
It is what it is,if you were looking for "Dark Knight" type-sequel...I guessed you got "Pawned",if you went in to see shit get blown up and Chevy's new line up of cars (coming to a checy dealer near you) than you was in for a treat......why must every summer movie be "The Notebook"..??
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in the later episodes...how fucking gay was that?
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Most stereotypes are culled from the most extreme and negative behavioral trait. They are far from the norm, but because they become associated with a particular group, over time they become an 'accepted' way of thinking about that group. Their( the stereotype) legitimacy comes not from the truth, but from the acceptance of it as truth because it has been reinforced in mass media and pop culture over time.
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To me are throwbacks to the cartoon, which had severeal characters with african-american qualities, and served little other purpose than to provide laughs. The purists asked for more cartoon stuff, they got it.
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Bill Maher was recently talking about Greed not being good, referring of course to that quote from Gordon Gekko from Wall Street. He then goes on to talk about how our problem in relation to greed is the common thread to our financial meltdown, climate chage and healthcare. Its definetely worth a look and Bill is on the mark.
Bay seems to be the personification or "greed is good", more and more, excess is better. Its this criticism of Bay which has been a common thread throughout the reviews. "Why have a tight 100 minute movie, lets expand it out to 151 minutes. Why have 10 or so robots we can really focus on, give me 40+. More explosions, more, more, MORE!!!"
But then again Bay has always been like this, you give a guy tonnes of money, who is known for a lack of constraint, and spending up big, the outcome is expected.
From a Studio perspective, does anyone oversee him, or is it a case of "you made tonnes of money last time, go for it and make tonnes of money this time", is there micromanagement, project reviews etc ?
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This is honestly the first time I've felt frustrated with this website. I saw TF2 today, and I basically enjoyed the hell out of it. The whole crowd was in to it and even applauded at the end. YES, there is some stupid, low-brow humor that I found annoying. But you know what? I DON'T FUCKING CARE! I came to the theater to see giant fucking robots fight each other and that's exactly what I got. As far as the racism goes... This honestly never occurred to me once in my viewing of TF2. I found the twins a little obnoxious and unnecessary but I didn't realize they were apparently some kind of racial slur? This sounds more like someone who was prepared to hate this movie looking for things to hate about it. Yeah, the movie is seriously flawed in ALL THE SAME WAYS EVERY MICHAEL BAY MOVIE IS. The sweeping, epic shots of people who are just standing there. The obnoxious exposition, the crappy dialogue. Whatever. The point is I had a blast watching this movie. It will not win any awards and I didn't expect to see a movie like that. What this movie DID have was seriously awesome action, transformers looking for energon, some awesome backstory about the transformers' species, and that dynamic between Megatron and Starscream that I was missing in the first movie. Harry, did you hate the original cartoon movie as well? Did you think Arcee (the female motorcycle autobot) was misogynistic? Do you remember when Bumblebee said "oh shit!" in a children's movie? Cuz if you did hate that movie, then fine, I guess you were predisposed to hate this one too. The thing that gets me is you're using this "racism" thing (that I really didn't see, but maybe I'm just a moron) like it makes your opinion untouchable. Like, "how can anyone say they liked the movie now that I've said it was racist?" Ugh
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After reading all these there is no way she is seeing this. TF1 was borderline here and there but this is just unacceptable.
There's was subtle racism at the start of TF1 with the entire "hey mammy" salesmen scene. Always made me shift a little especially when the two black ladies behind me in the theater said, (and ironically) "Oh hell no! He did *not* just say that!"
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Charles first: You were a dick. Plain and simple. That dude came on here to talk, and you acted like an ass. You aren't better then him. In fact, you're a lesser person for how you treated him.
Canada is awesome. I love Canada. I've worked in Canada, but Canada has its fair share of fucking problems bud. Rednecks exist there. Rapists, murderers, they exist. Walking in Downtown Van, you're going to see people shooting up on the street. Thats no better than any city.
I give you all the free healthcare, but in return look at the taxes you pay.
Every country has its pro's and con's. Don't act like yours is any better than ours.
Joshua: I agree with you 100% and its for this line: "It's one thing to not like the results of a film but when people start attacking the artists or creators as if THEY COULD FUCKING DO ANY BETTER ..."
Apparently everyone over looked that remark. You aren't saying you have to be a filmmaker to critique the result of the film, but you should at least be someone who has accomplished something to critique a person behind it. Everyone fucks up. Everyone has different tastes. But to bash the person themself, well... that just shows how trashy a person you are. I agree 110% with everything you said. So bravo. You were on point. -
This movie isn't racist. You know why it's not racist? The supposedly "racist" characters ... are robots! THEY ARE BRIGHT CANDY-APPLE RED AND SOUR-APPLE GREEN! They are not "black" people. They are a PAIR OF ROBOTS! Who says they're black? You? Because the swear and have gold teeth and talk funny? Why does that make YOU think of black people? Me, I thought of two robots. Where are you getting the idea they're black? Is it from your own ... racism?
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Harry, you still have my respect, and the above comment's not meant for you - you say what you feel.
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When they see Sam's face on a computer screen, and quickly pick up a phone and literally all they say is "Allahu Akbar"
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are usually the biggest assholes you'll ever meet.
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Jun 24, 2009 11:48:12 PM CDT
THUSSPAKESPYMUNK, EVEN THROUGH THE DENSE FOG OF THE INTERWEBS
by ayatollahsexyback
I can sense the intensity of your retardation pulsing through my monitor. Do something about that. Try multi-vitamins and ginseng candy.
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Not only will you teach your daughter that racism is not to be rewarded, but also that Megan Fox is not to be emulated. Win-win.
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Not sure i understand all the negativity for this film. I'm not going to revert to the "It's a pocorn movie" defense. Quite frankly, that is a weak defense. I understand people's desire to to want to be entertained by the films they go see....I myself have seen this twice and will see it again this weekend, I found it rather enjoyable. I can understand why some may not like this film, but the utter disdain baffles me. It's as if the filmmakers personally ripped your heart out and eat it with some fava beans and a nice chianti. Sure, I have disliked some films, but you know what, I just don't go see them. I certainly don't think it's viable to slander someone just cause they like certain films that you may not like. Alot of people are holding James Cameron up on some pedestal. I'm sure AVATAR will be a home run, it better be considering he has not made a non doc in over 10 years, but honestly, he has made one great film (Terminator) and the rest are meh. Go back and watch T2, there is as much goofy, awkward humor in that film as there is in ROTF...Bay just jazzed it up a bit. As for the racism...I never once thought the twins were making fun of anyone but white trash guys. sometimes it's as if people are just searching for things to call racist. p.s. if not for Heath Ledger, DARK KNIGHT would be....meh
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I'm not sure this issue deserves this much attention, but at the very least these bots are racial stereotypes put into the film for laughs. Call it racism or bigotry or whatever, but it's certainly a discussion worth having.
I think there's more than a little hypocrisy here though. There's been plenty of racism used for comedic effect in a myriad of films these same reviewers, here and elsewhere, have never said word one about because they like the movies the scenes were in.
Two biggies that come to mind immediately are Blazing Saddles and Animal House. Hell, there isn't a single Mel Brooks movie that doesn't have wanton displays of racism of one kind or another, especially directed at his own race.
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He would smite everyone that likes this movie, thus drastically improving humanity by removing the bottom level of the gene pool. He should probably give actual retards a pass, and children under 12, but everyone else dumb enough to actually be entertained by this should go.
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But I have no idea what happened. I mean, apart from what I can guess.
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You are on the mark re Charles, but have to be careful when we go down Joshua's track re accomplish something. That is very subjective.
Agree Bob didnt have to come here, he chose to, and surely its important that he hears from the fans, he may dismiss them and focus on bottom line, like Bay does, but that is up to him.
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Primus would beat the shit out of God.
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Because I don't have *any* respect for Harry, like I once did when I was 15.
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Let's talk about abortion now.
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Have you seen Aliens (different movie to the first one, but its really well done action, with some great characters) or T2 ?
The Abyss is underrated IMHO
Titanic (am not a fan), but it has a place in a lot of people's heart, and True Lies was fun. -
When some reviewer here hypes up something enough people come to this site and blab about shit.
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Yikes...I did forget about The Ayss...you are right, very underrated...especially the extended cut. And yes, True Lies was ok. as for Aliens, it was enjoyable for sure, but I wasn't a fan of having more action and less suspense then the first.
My point is that while Camron did have some good hits, he is in no way the end all be all of filmmaking
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Does that include everyone that enjoyed this film, but also loves Seven Samurai and 2001? Idiot. Don't boil this down to such an immature and moronic statement along the lines of "only idiots are entertained by this". Give me a fucking break.
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therefore he is a racist.
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He/She hasn't done a very good job. Might say that there is a God for every planet, we got the George Bush one, C grade student. "....hmmmm oops, dropped my beer, another Tsunami". "Yeah need to do my homework and do something about Africa, hmmm or watch some suns exploding with my buds, yeah Africa can wait another 100,000 years or so".
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With the constantly rotating banner ads that AICN has, it's pretty damn unfair to criticize them for lambasting a movie whose ads they have on their site when they have no control over what banner pics the ad agency sends to this sight through their server. Soon the banner pics will be Harry Potter, a movie most on this site will love, and still AICN will have no control over what banner pics the server sends them. That's how the ad banners work boys, AICN doesn't control them, and naturally they'd be fools to say no to the money, would you?
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Terminator was the only great film Cameron made??? Aliens? T2? Aliens is one of the best sci-fi action films ever made. True Lies and The Abyss weren't too shabby either. All of these films share 2 common things: Good writing and great effects. Bay got one of those right. Makes for a very shallow film.
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Guess I should post faster!
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Jun 25, 2009 12:21:20 AM CDT
MICHAEL BAY, POSTER BOY FOR REPUBLICAN'S IN HOLLYWOOD.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Maker of shallow, superficial trash posing as a summer flick for kids that is in fact a 200 million recruitment promo for the military while also displaying Bay’s imperialistic Neocon politics and cross burning racism. Was the paycheck really worth being associated with that Boborci?
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I agree, ROTF was a shallow film, but I found it fun. T2 was nothing more then a "boy and his 'bot" again, I'm not saying most of his films were bad, I just wouldn't call them great.
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He did that movie with a BROKEN HAND!!! Damn professional.
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Just Harry Potter? Am I missing any other tentpole films?
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Actually one of the things I love about True Lies is the seeming lack of sfx. I know they're there, but they are few and far between.
The harrier scene at the end is amazing, and most of that was a practical shot done by hanging the jet off of a crane on the building. Nowadays that whole scene would be boring ass CGI, CGI has its uses, but I love a director that has the balls to go practical when he can. -
I'm up in the air on this one. I've heard my 5 year old approximate Scatman Crothers voice when he quotes Jazz from the G1 cartoon. He imitates the voice he hears, which has a distinct rhythm to it. I can't judge Crothers for being racist, since, well, thats his voice. So is my son racist in his imitation? All he is doing is mirroring. By the same token, if Mudflap and Skids have "racist" voices, then shouldn't we all be up in arms every time we see Chris Tucker in a movie?
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of the summer. I'm sure the Potter asshats will eat that shit up one more time.
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Is this true? Did Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen make nearly $41 million worldwide on it's opening day 06/24/09?
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Is this true? Did Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen make nearly $41 million worldwide on it's opening day 06/24/09?
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And I liked it. Not a follower of Bay. I´d never read the comic or watched the TV show. Or had the toys. But Turturro was hysterical. His sidekick, his face inside the car targeted by missiles...pure golden comedy! Megan was the dream gal every scene on the screen. The Blackbird is my all-time fave airplane (the military stuff was awesome, BTW). The sinking of the aircraft carrier scene was just like an insane Ultimates art from Bryan Hitch becoming true. Older Shia looks more and more like the dude from the Y the Last Man.
I actually liked the retarded pot jokes, because of the acting and editing. The website with the dumb cute cats. Didn´t expected so many goodies after reading the one star Ebert´s review. The plot and the jokes, again, were "for the kids, you know". Even the military dudes (from the general to the grunts), they acted just like kids playing good guys vs bad guys, "woo-hoo, let´s go save our brothers and kick some evil dudes´ assess RIGHT NOW!". Kids will love it. Now, waiting for the more adult, more politically incorrect and gorier Team America version of the Transformers, hehehe. Cheers! -
...dang new-fangled Google Chrome browser.
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Yes, Harry Potter does look epic and I think will be one of the best of the series. As for the rest of the summer, let's not look past some of the smaller films like "District 9" and "Humpday"...and then there is "Funny People" comming out as well
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I really dug the first one & the only Bay film I cant watch anymore is Pearl Harbor...I think this flick is easily one of the summers best movies. Maybe its cause I went in with some incredibly low expectations, I really loved everything about it.
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Exactly. Those truly are "special" effects. Lizarkeo, what age group of kids was this intended for? The jokes were for kids? A leg fucking robot and the words bitch, ass and pussy? Perfect for the kids!
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oh...and how could i forget "Inglorious Bastards"
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Eat that UP!!
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It's mind boggling...where were all of you?
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Deceased directors I would say Kurosawa and Kubrick, living hmm.
The ED on this Spielberg would be up there, but not on recent movies. Possibly Scorsese, Coen Brothers, probably Yimou Zhang. -
With the trash you watch on a consistent basis, I'm surprised this was even a blip on your radar...
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Megatron will crush Batman.
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nothing like seeing the Pretender's panties. Am sure there will be a few more Birds and the bees talks after this one.
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I'm a HUGE fan of Tim Burton...as stylish directors go, he is among the best.
Raimi, as well as Jackson are up there as well, especially their earlier work.
The cohen Brothers are ok at directing but AWSOME at writing...I eat up all thier films with a smile on my face.
I will always have a soft spot for Spielberg, he was such a presence in my youth.
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Fair play to ya! I missed Transformers by a few years, so I never paid much attention. If you say there's some good stuff in there ( I mean the Transformers mythos), I believe you. I certainly have no grounds to argue, that's for sure. For what it's worth, I'm sorry the franchise turned out to be (by most accounts) crap...
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I'm not surprised this film will break all sorts of records...let's face it, some movies are critic proof. As i said, i did enjoy this movie, as did both my daughters (who i have shown the original cartoon to). Would i have liked a deeper movie, one that appeases the geek in me? Of course, but the studios, while trying to do things that the fanboys (and girls) will like, they ultimately want to make money...say what you will about Bay, but he does know how to orchestrate lavish action sequences that go boarderline overload...but in this disposable society, that is just what the public wants
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So, casting a white kid for Aang in the Last Airbender is horrendously racist and needs to be protested by all fair-minded moviegoers... but illiterate, shit-talking stepin-fetchit robots are IN NO WAY racist, and everyone should just get over it and enjoy the movie... now that's pretty fucking funny.
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Than sinners in the church!"
If you guys claim this movie is a piece of shit.
Why did you pay to go see it?
I mean, This isn't the first time Aintitcool ragged on this movie. You guys knew 3 months in advance what this movie was going to be like.
Whenever Harry and Co. put up a new Robot or Production still, there were plenty of "The Fallen looks like he has a penis" or Fuck Micheal Bay!!!! remarks to go around.
I can count on one hand how many people that were positive about this movie,
So why the fuck did the rest of you pay for a ticket?
Did you intentionally go into this movie, knowing you were going to hate it, So you can give Micheal Bay your money, for something you hate, so you can hate it some more?
"THAT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE!"
Tell the truth, you know you liked this movie....
I can respect a persons honest opinion about something if it's in fact honest.
However, there are a lot of guys (and gals) are on here chiming back and forth on str8 bullshit. I'm quite sure no one is that stupid to intentionally walk into a movie and freely give Micheal Bay they're money.
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From memory they existed in the cartoons/comics ?
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I would assume they would be had all the decepticons been human size....my guess is this is one of the models that was hatched AFTER the first film....but why argue scamantics...Isebelle lucas was pretty hot
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I don't understand why the negative reviews are so full of vigor. But it seems like everyone's buttons were pushed on this one. So while it may be horrible, I'm tempted to see it now to see why it is so divisive.
I thought the first one was a solid B--just couldn't make sense of the fight scenes. I can't believe Bay is making deliberately racist comments in summer movie designed to sell toys. This film must be one huge mind-fuck. -
...and contain animal sex, drug use, robot balls and fowl language? I guess I missed the memo on that one...
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TF2 was an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. No hypocrite here. It's time that the entire team is fired! That's not going to happen anytime soon. Especially when this movie is going to gross a billion dollars.
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...and this movie fucking rocked.
Yeah, it got way too stupid every now and again as far as the humor goes.
Yeah, it could definately be a good 25 minutes shorter.
Yeah, the two robots were everything that everyone has said about them...but...
...So what? Who gives a shit? It was a fuckin' fun-ass movie to watch. Everyone at the midnight screening where I saw it loved it. The theater was packed and everyone was having a blast.
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If we are going to point out racist charecters in movies...why has no one pointed out that in the movie "up" delroy Lindo voices a dog that is a pit bull....
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he came up to me and he said that in college he read "The Invisible Man". And he thought slavery was bad. And man he cracked me up so much, he told about this joke Chris Rock makes about how there are black people, and there are... "N word people"! It was so funny.
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I've seen this movie twice now, and I still must be missing something... Which race are Skids and Mudflap insulting? I noticed that they have an urban type of street slang when they talk, but that doesn't strike me as offensive. It's the same as when Mater would talk with a southern 'twang in "Cars", or when our former president use to speak with his Texan accent. Were they all racist, too, just because they speak similar to how other people speak? There were no derogatory remarks in the movie against the twins about how they were speaking; no one in the movie tried to put them down or make them feel inferior because they couldn't read the ancient Cybertronian language (they did not state that they could not read at all; in fact, all they did was stated that the printed glyphs were ancient and unfamiliar to them). I thought racism involved the blatant hatred, disrespect, or intolerance of someone's ethnic background, and I just don't see that in this movie. I think we as a society have lost sight on what is considered offensive and have jumped straight to believing everything that is different is racist.
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Ooooh look at meee, I'm Josh Vance, I know basic medical terminology like "anhedonia" and Trisomy 21 (btw ur comment implying that someone had Down syndrome was VERY offensive).
You're a first class prick. Fuck off and die, asshole (and yes i WOULD fucking say it to your face if I saw you) -
my point is you can find racism in ANYTHING if you looked....isn't it a waste of time to do that though? Doesn't pointing out something like that in fact make you racist...even subconciously?
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It was well written, considered, and thought out. Fucking amazing. I wish all of your reviews were like this. And about the public health care option... this was dead and buried the second someone (or a bunch of people at the same time) realized you could get very, very rich and create huge conglomerates based around something as basic and necessary to humans as FUCKING HEALTHCARE. I realized it during Nightline after the Aetna CEO spoke. It's just fucked, it ain't ever gonna happen. That guy who came after, can't remember his name, basically made it clear that he wants his $2,500+per family for his shareholders. BOTTOM LINE - WE ARE FUCKED. There's not much Obama can do about it. If anything, Obama highlights how little change can come, no matter how much sense the president is making. If Bush showed the true face of one side of the coin, Obama is showing the other. I'm repeatedly flabbergasted at the amount of simple sense the man can make and yet it doesn't penetrate because of partisanship or plain-ole stupidity. Fuck it man...
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pretty accurate post- http://tinyurl.com/noqyo4
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I wasn't fond of the toilet humor at all in this film. The dog sex, the fart jokes, Sams "love you b" shtick with Bumblebee that went on for 5 min too long, leg humping transformers, the blatant racism, misogynistic themes, unnecessary crude language.. none of it worked. Just because it's Transformers doesn't mean we should get a mess of a film like this, does it? There's no effort here except to make a special effects showcase. We should care about the Transformers and their eternal war, those who've survived so long and those who fall in battle. We should care about Sam and Mikaela, I want to tense up in my seat when Mikaela is in mortal danger from Megatron or Starscream and Sam is helpless to save her, but instead it's flat. No one cares. I'm no film guru but I love movies. I don't know shit about them, but I can tell if what I'm watching is "good" or not and I think most of us can, but then I see a film like this and I start to wonder.. If I was a producer and putting up my hard earned money for a film and this was what I bought, I'd be upset. Sure I will earn my money back and make some too, but forever my name would be attached to this movie. A few parts stood out though, the forest fight, Megan Fox, John Tutorro (?) he was much better this time around minus the nudity. Optimus is always awesome and really fights like a Prime in this film. Bumblebee was great to watch and has gotten much tougher in the last 2 years (still no speaking tho? yes I know the kids like the radio an noises he makes). Racists robots.. what was their point? Just a head shaker moment for me. Just overall this movie felt thrown together. I've been rewatching some of the G1 cartoons, which weren't full of writing genius either, but they're still better done than this film. It's just a mess and I just wish it wasn't.
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I love how Harry has to bash Steven for putting his name and stamp on this movie. I seem to recall this travesty of a movie that came out called "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" which he DIRECTED. I seem to recall alot of bashing on that film as well. The point is, everyone has their opinion, even someone as biased as Harry. Honestly at this point you just know too many people and are way too opinionated about how a project will turn out simply based on who's in charge of it. It's like going to an Applebee's and getting a burnt steak...you'll hate it and maybe never go to THAT Applebee's again, but you'll go to another one someday. You may love or hate Michael Bay, but who do you think could have really done it any better?
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They speak just like Bumblebee does. With the clipped phrases and goofy music.
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Jun 25, 2009 2:12:37 AM CDT
d.vader: I think they called her his "assistant". the hustla
by ironic_name
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Bill Cobbs is a fucking pimp.
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Seeing Iron Hide and shit introduced in the first scene, and then they suddenly dissapear until the end of the movie. WTF was that shit. They needed to be in the movie more.
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Absolutely horrid. I haven't felt this bored, numbed or mentally assaulted since I saw Van Helsing, only this was much, much worse.
It's a curious thing to experience with your eyes that which by all rights should be awe-inspiring and mind-boggling, yet is no more exciting than watching a snail crawl across a patio.
The movie looked amazing. The effects were all top-notch and you could definitely see all the money on the screen, but it was utterly uninvolving and tedious. Afterwards it was almost like a dream -- did I actually see all that stuff? Why don't I feel excited or charged after witnessing all that cool carnage? Is there something wrong with me?
No. No, there isn't.
Apart from the sinking of the aircraft carrier, Optimus' growling "I'll take on ALL OF YOU!" and the clanging robot balls, I have a hard time remembering ANYTHING distinctive about this movie.
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ok dude, I'm black and those two robots were clearly a satirical attempt on "urban youths" or "gangster culture" or "rap culture" whatever name you label it with. I live in West Chicago and I'm telling you those two robots were clearly trying to appeal to that crowd. Or even worse mock it for the white suburban kids. Does it offend me? Yeah to an extent it does, it's like Robot blackface. But does Mr. Bay have the right to have them in his movie? Yeah of course he does and it's up to you whether or not you go see it right? Personally, I have thick skin, I didn't like it but that in and of itself didn't ruin the film, and I just tried to ignore it. What does worry me is the underlying acceptance of this bigotry. Same thing that was going on a few years before Jews were being ushered into slave camps and ovens. Dehumanizing people seems to be the way around here though, people telling each other to die and such.. it's abhorrent and has me worried about the state of the world. If I wasn't an atheist I would pray that none of you psycho's live next door to me. lol
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Jun 25, 2009 2:21:42 AM CDT
"It could easily be a Transformer that uploaded Kevin Federline
by ironic_name
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Both the PC people who complain about it AND the people who made the film are idiots.
I mean, the way the people involved in the film are defending the characters, is along the lines of "They aren't black. They're robots. They picked it up from the internet & they're wannabe Gangster posers."
Um, ok. Except, they ARE meant to be copying black people. You can invent any backstory for fictional characters to prove a point, it's just idiotic. "Oh, they're not mimicking black people. They're talking like that 'cause Optimus Prime sponsored them to talk funny for a week, If they can do it, the local school will get a new computer room." Bay et al need to grow up.
The proof is in what people can see & hear.On the other hand, that's why it ISN'T racist though.
The fact is, people are watching it & saying "Oh my God, that's racist", but why are they noticing it? Because some black people DO act like that. Nobody ever once says in the movie that they act black.People are assuming it, based on the fact that the characters resemble a certain number of black people. Maybe a minority, I don't know. But I've seem them around.
It's no different to Jetfire having an English accent. I don't talk like him, I don't behave like him, he doesn't have my accent per se, but there are some English people who speak like him.
Why is it wrong to have Mudflap & Skids speak in a way that a few black people DO speak, yet it's fine for Jetfire to have a pretty stereotypical accent? -
Jun 25, 2009 2:26:49 AM CDT
um do you really know how urban youths talk these days
by lockesbrokenleg
if you have never been one? I can't. It's such a non issue.
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Cinematic gluttony to the nth degree. A master class in excess. The worst kind of "everything but the kitchen sink" type filmmaking that is loud, obnoxious and worst of all, boring. The film was so manic it made "Transformers" look like "My Dinner With Andre." And this is coming from a (former) Bay aficionado. What a waste...
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They picked out Harry and Devin, but have read a lot of comments saying the same thing. Don loses any real credibility with " Michael Bay made a terrific film", the reviews haven't been kind we aren't talking about a 40-60% range at Rotten Tomatoes, where it is about a matter of taste.
Not sure why Don should care so much, don't think Harry has much box office pool these days compared to the old days, as was demonstrated in that scene in Entourage. -
...people like Doc Pazuzu. Now I think he makes lucid points and agree with him wholeheartedly. But...why put your money behind this film?? You're voting with your wallets here, folks. You're sending a powerful signal of what you would like to see in the future, and if the trend is to be reversed, you need to not see it in the theaters. Wait for a cheapo rental if you must, or if you're so inclined, stream it online...whatever. But there are so many of you who know you're going to hate it, who don't fall into the category of the lowest common denominator prats who love this bullshit, and leave the theater indignant...and should have really known better.
I'll admit that part of me is curious to see this train wreck, just to check out what Bay did, but I prefer to stand fast and not subsidize the wholesale spread of idiocy and gauche fucking filmmaking. -
Blazing Saddles isn't a racist movie, it is a comedy about racism. Who do the jokes poke fun at? Black people? No, white people. The redneck cowboys and the simple-minded towns folk. Black people, especially Sheriff Bart, are portrayed as smart, cunning, brave and honest. The majority of white people, especially the racist characters, are portrayed as idiots and fools. The scene when they try to get the black railroad workers to sing a Negro spiritual is the epitome of this: Instead of singing a cliched song, the black workers break out into a hip Frank Sinatra song and then trick the dumb white formen in singing "Camp Town Lady."
As for Mel Brooks making fun of his own race, well he is allowed to. As George Carlin once said, a black guy can call another black guy a "nigger." Why? Because they are both "niggers." How can you be offended if it applies to him as well.
There is a big difference between making fun of racism, poking fun at your own group and making fun or mocking another group with stereotypes.
And if you want to point out the double standard of black people mocking white people, I am all for it. Nothing is lamer than a black comedian doing the "white people do this and black people do this-" acts. -
So fuck off and go watch your copy of Evil Dead for the 400th time. Hey, did you know that movie BOMBED?
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Despite what I posted in that other talkback about adding money to Bay's bank account, I actually got a free ticket to the movie. I just posted that to get a rise out of AsimovLives.
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because most of the people, like myself, who's a 36 yr old black musician that lives in West Chicago, that are bringing this up are American. You see, after we kicked your asses back across the pond, we still had this problem with slavery over here. Some black folks take it a bit unkindly to be mocked on television or cinema, because of our history here. Some white folks feel guilty about history and overreact to try and make up for it. Other white folks are just racist, whether they admit it or not. In the black community we have racists as well, but generally speaking we don't make 200,000,000$ movies to showcase it.
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What planet are you on, seriously? I just saw it and it was fucking insane awesome. im not joking, i fucking loved it. here are some points id like to call each and every complaint onThe opening; plot setting, establishing a whole new story. everything that happened in the first 15 minutes was just non stop action excitement and it explained the world we are in, whats happened, who are allied to the transformers, who is suspicious of them. it was fucking GREAT!!the whole witwicky family, dogs humping, transformer appliances... bumble bee jumping to guardian protection, the mother having her change of life episodes - michael Bay is a fucking comedian! the whole campus story arch, the situation with sam and michaela... this film was non stop, it didn't drag and it didn't let up! I fucking loved it!! the twins were not anywhere near as annoying as was let on - as for racist over tones, bullshit, it was a fucking riot! a good time!! and it wasn't the least bit offensive, it was fucking funny! cybertron, megatron, starscream, soundwave, the fallen, the pantha, the little ballbearings, shit, even the human transformer - this was THE TRANSFORMERS!!!!!!the whole egypt battle, the reintroduction of sector 7, this film FUCKING ROCKS I feel sorry for you sad bastardsdevestators balls... come on, it was one quick shot- a pov and they were just dangling wrecking balls... and they weren't exactly balls, but sector 7 dude looks up and says he's under his balls... i fucking laughed!!! and so did the audiance. this film was AWESOME!!!!!!!Michael Bay - I love you man!! i fucking love you. you made a killer kick arse film and I'm going to see it again this weekend. hahahahahahahahahayes whoooooooo :)
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You're absolutely right. I won't make the same mistake again...
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He probably did because that theater had to rent out seats for advance screening so he is probably counting your money right now
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...it's that it's crass, lazy stereotyping, and above all, stupid.
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I don't even know what the heck that is, but way to make your point brotha! curse words are so cool man. Nothing like internet tuffguy's to make ya chuckle.
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At least in as much as I grew up in an urban area. I'm not black though, which confuses the fuck out of me.
I hate that term. When the powers that be say "Urban", they're being PC when they really mean black. Usually poor/not so well off black inner city kids. The kinda kids who grew up next door to me.
But as we all know, black people live in cities & grow up on "the streets" whatever the fuck that means. Us white folk meanwhile, live in castles, wear sweaters like the white people on "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" & listen to Englebert Humperdink. -
Let me ask you, did the English accent feel condescending towards you? Did it feel like he was denigrating towards the English? Do you think he was presenting a stereotype of the English that reflects negatively about your people?
If you say no the that, but can say yes to the Twins, you will see the difference. -
cause they liked a movie about robots.
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"Let me ask you, did the English accent feel condescending towards you? Did it feel like he was denigrating towards the English? Do you think he was presenting a stereotype of the English that reflects negatively about your people?
If you say no the that, but can say yes to the Twins, you will see the difference. "
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...SHOULD be fun. But this wasn't. Not at all.
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You're also the guy who believes the moon landings might be faked, that I'm part of "the AICN Multi-Username Zionist Conspiracy", and that the Earth is actually hollow.
In short: you're a fucktard. -
...around discerning company, you may want to keep your opinions to yourself. Because, to quote the review from MSN.com,
"If you tell me you loved "Revenge of the Fallen" -- really, truly, loved it without reservation or complaint -- then you've essentially told me you can't tell something from nothing, good from bad, craft from cost."
The reviewer is being charitable by expressing it in a diplomatic way. But basically, he's saying you're a no-taste retard...and worse, you belong to the subcategory that is shockingly proud and flaunts their lobotomy for all to see. Good on ya, boy!
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Please stay in Canada and NEVER come to the USA, okay? Thanks.
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You're a fucking idiot man.
First of all, you didn't "Kick our asses back over the pond". Not that it has ANYTHING to do with the conversation, you rude prick.
But it never happened. You didn't win. We were busy with the French & crazy George didn't think it was important. Bear in mind, we were like you are now, compared to say the colonies being like Luxembourg or somewhere. Your country became important later. Back then, you were a backwater & we didn't really want it.
Oh & don't say that when we went back you STILL had slavery. Slavery really took off there when we left. & we were the first country to abolish it, even destroying American slave ships around the world. & African slave ships. Because you do know Black people started what became the modern slave trade right? Where'd you think the white people got the idea?
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I was going to compliment you on your point about black racist not having $200,000,000 to spread there point across. Hilarious but true.
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if I knew how Hollywood worked or knew anyone there I'd turn in a script for a 3rd Transformers. I would have to turn my short story into a script, which I have no idea how to do. Friends have read it, family, a few professors I had at U of C, they all thought it was a good story worthy of publishing, if it wasn't about giant robots and was longer than 105 pages. Maybe they were just being nice to me, who knows? I can't help but feel that my story was better in some ways than this films story. Mine didn't have leg humping, humanoid tformers, wonder twins or a feeble Jetfire that's for sure. :) Maybe I'll put it online and post a link, if it pleases even a third of you it has to be good! lol
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You see the problem? I made a point that wasn't taking sides. I pointed out the stupidity on both sides....
Defending the characters by use of a fictional backstory, which is bullshit......
But also claiming racism about fictional characters, when they clearly DON'T have black skin or are referred to as black at ANY point. So how do people assume they're black? Because some black people ARE like that. Are those black people who act like that, racist to other blacks by their very existence? If not, then it's a moot point.
As for English stereotypes, I'm offended by pretty much EVERY American movie with English people in it. Jetfire wasn't so bad. Although, why did he have an English accent? Because he's an old fuddy duddy, that's why.
Typically, we're evil. Or we live in castles & we're all snobs etc. Same fucking thing. -
Ok you're just rude and ignorant. No war historian I have ever met talked like you do, with such an unprofessional manner. But anyway, yes we did kick your asses and yes we still could, but did that offend you? see, we have the 1st Amendment here limey, that's what's protecting Michael Bays bigot bots, now I understand you english commies don't have this anymore, but over here on the free side of the pond we do. and arrogant? you bet your pussy ass I'm arrogant, I'm an American I have a right to be. You'd be a lampshade without America buddy.
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that's offensive! and Arrogant Americanism Dark Shite! lmao
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Cause they didn't want to work with the Humans and were forced to. Commiees!!!
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You were rude & ignorant. I made a valiud point that bioth sides are ridiculous. Unfortunately, those with chips on their shoulders will argue points even when someone like me wasn't disagreeing.
How do they do it? By being fucking rude. YOU were rude. Not me. I didn't speak to you. You spoke to me, & your first words were insulting.
Actually, we never had a constitution. Still don't. That's why your amendments exist to make the polticians look good. You always had the right to free speech. Also the right to bear arms etc. We only lost that in the U.K a few years ago after a school shooting. See my point? Amendments that didnt need to be made. I should also add that while I was studying my degree, I worked at Washington old hall, the ancestral home of George Washington. I know more about the foundatuon of your country than you do, so shut the fuck up.
"I'm arrogant, I'm an American I have a right to be." NO, statements like that are why Americans go around the world & get the shit kicked out of them in pubs. -
is a commie these days. shoot even Harry is a commie I bet. Harry you a commie too?! Inquiring minds wanna know!
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Rude & unprofessional manner..
I'm not at work. & I chose a different profession anyway, I just happen to be a doctor of it.
If I was at work you'd know, because I'd call you an intellectually challenged vaginal cavity. As it is, I'm free to call you a dumb cunt;-). -
you need to lighten up brotha. stress kills. and no I won't shut up, in fact I think I'll comment more often now that I know I get under your skin
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You and petergrifin need to write the script for the next Transformers. I'm serious.
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ooooo internet tough guy with your lies and tuff guy resume!!! wooooooooah watch out dr dark shite's in the hizouuuse!!
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thanks for your support. please donate $100 for the cause! thanks and keep the faith brotha!
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I had a fucking heart attack the other week. Yeah? You wanna get under my skin? Why, are you going for a job interview?
If you wanna wind me up, you can fuck off. If on the other hand you have a valid point (depsite the fact that I wasn't disagreeing with you), then by all means have it said. But don't start conversations by insulting me or my country. That way only problems lie.
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Im am no way PC but I too was cringing watching these.Mind you they are nothing worse than some of the soft cunts who turn up on any programme made by MTV .For Skynet read MTV programming- that will bring the end of the world about.
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So basically it's just like every other movie Michael Bay's ever made?
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nah I like you angry better. I'm not fond of polite people. You don't really know a person until you have it with them, someday maybe I will return to England and give you a good pub stomping, then we will be friends. You can show me where my family is from over there, teach me wtf cricket is, introduce me to some hot English sluts, we'd have a blast.
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Kinda like every torture porn movie that comes out that this site seems to love?
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ultimate win dude. that is funny stuff right there.
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"this site is all about reviews, in which someone who has seen the film writes about it so that someone who hasn't can decided whether to go see it." why would someone let a review decide what movie they should see?
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here we go.. you really do love me hey. truth be told, i actually think you're drew macweeney.... but it's just a hunch. as for the moon. grow a brain. everyone else has
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I can teach you about the Cricket bat though;-). A good oub stomping? Man, Americans can't fight for shit! Not in pubs at least.
1) Your beer is so weak that when you drink real beer you fall over.
2) Your life is so sanitised over there. My American friends would shit themselves in some of the places I used to drink.
That's also one of the reasons why Engluish steretypes are annoying. If you compared the posh aristcratic people in movies, to the people in the pubs back home in the North east of England, it's like 2 different worlds.
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Jun 25, 2009 3:17:08 AM CDT
I think dude and Dark Shite made this a romantic comedy
by continentalop
First they hated each other and now they are getting along. Pretty soon they will be falling in love. *sniff* Beautiful.
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what sort of scientology bullshit is that? the whole fucking cinema loved it. i saw it on a reconmission for the kids. I'm taking em! that said, Terminator salvation was a fucking limp dick affair I'll have forgotten by next year
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where the one robot says they need to be undercover like a Ninja. Do Urban Youths talk about Ninjas a lot?
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Really - is there anything as fucking pathetic as nationalism?
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Jun 25, 2009 3:23:06 AM CDT
RECORD-SMASHING WEDNESDAY! $55+M For 'Transformers 2' Breaks 'Ha
by ghostraider2008
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/transformers-2-midnights-16-million/
WEDNESDAY 9:45 PM: It's now officially a rock-'em, sock-'em summer! Sources tell me that Paramount's Transformers 2: Revenge Of The Fallen today has shattered the Wednesday opening record set by Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix (#5) in 2007: $55+M to $44.2M. The robot sequel grosses from 4,234 North American theaters are $10M more than Paramount expected. That puts the sci-fi actioner on track for at least a $170M five-day opening -- and probably more like $175M-$180M -- despite overwhelmingly lousy reviews. But this Decepticons vs Autobots battle is reviewer-proof. -
to fuck you up the arse conti.
By the way, people don't need to insult me to make me angry. I'm ALWAYS fucking angry! Constantly.
That's why my name isn't the fluffy shite. Or the happy bunny shite. I wish I wasn't so angry, but I am.
I've even spent the last 3 days, making sure to piss off Bob Orci every chance I get.
Because he came online, so I jumped in & called him a fucking hack, then for some reason, he was nice to me & I thought "I can't call him a hack, because he's more successful than I", plus "her indoors" was asking me to be calm. "You had a heart attack!" she said, "Relax, take your time". So I did.
Now I feel bad for being nice to the cunt. I want revenge. I won't stop until I've crushed his very existence under my cock. -
made love here. I'm telling ya I bring the love. lol. Dark Shite, I may not be no fancy doctor type like you, but I do have 14 yrs active duty in the Army, 5 in combat, I assure you this American can fight. Growing up in West Chicago didn't hurt neither. I'm not saying you English aren't tough but we see a lot of softness in you guys over here as of late. But shit, our politicians over here are beyond the pale, America is in bad shape, lotta work to do to fix it. I bet England has rough areas but have you been to Detroit dude? How about Philadelphia? Camden? Chicago? LA? When I think of mean streets London just doesn't come to mind :)
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yes we have them, at least here in Chicago. You haven't felt pain until a ghetto ninja leaps down on you from a fire escape and plants a judi chop on your dome.
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But a lot of Americans can't have a conversation without it, that condescending tone that comes with growing up in a country filled with propaganda about being "The greatest country on Earth" despite the fact that there is no such thing. Try telling the people of New Orleans they were in the greatest country on Earth, a few years back.
That kind of talk from Americans brings out the worst in the person being spoken to, because it's offensive & also just plain wrong.
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here's an on topic question. What did yall think of Optimus in the movie? He seemed like a bad ass this time around, more ruthless. Killing Decepticons, don't remember him doing that in the cartoon! "Any last words Decepticon?" He was kicking the snot out of Starscream and Megatron and whoever the other one was for awhile there too. Plasma swords an all!
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that's it then! my ticket to Baydom! Ghetto Ninjas! lol
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You guys talking about Sweden?
As for taking turns fucking me in the ass, Shite, all I ask is that one of you have the decency to give me a reach around. -
That's the thing though, I'm from from London. London's just one city (a problem because most Americans go there & assume that's England).
In fact, you're talking about Detroit etc. I'vew been there. If I could compare my home town to anywhere in the U.S, it would be Detroit. But with even fewer jobs. Ever seen Get Carter? That's where I'm from.
I'm not gonna get into a pissing competetion about towns, but the 1st time I went to London, I felt like I was in a foreign country. I don't recognise anything English about the way we're shown in movies at all. -
red truck [working man vehicle] takes on tank and helicopter [military] and wins. its a compleate communist fantasy. compleate misspelled on purpous.
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better watch out harry....the ftc is coming down on websites who accept payment from those they write aboutbay doesnt make good films, he makes big budget eye candy
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Russians. C'mon, we all know that it is true.
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not my intent dude. never was. only been to England once, but they did give me a safety lecture about defending myself against stabbings lol. I assured them I could protect myself, they said "all you yanks say that and you end up getting mugged and stabbed" lol
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Jun 25, 2009 3:41:27 AM CDT
London.. detroit.. bah! come drink in a Belfast "ghetto" pub
by bongo123
i swear, some of those places i wouldnt enter without the SAS covering my arse... Anyways, TF2 i have to admit was a bit long but fuck me the effect shots were photoreal in lots of scenes ILM are now the new masters of SFX, cant wait to see WETA retake the crown with Avatar..
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I'm not from London, not "I'm from from London".
I can understand, black people had a tough history in countries like the U.S. But yeah, it's easy to say "These guys are black stereotypes", while we aren't ever allowed to complain about British stereotypes.
We're villains, or aristocrats or cheeky cockneys who sing & dance. The Japanese are always idiots who take photos of whatever's happening in the movie. Russians are tough guys called either Boris or Yuri, etc. It's this simplistic stereotyping in American cinema that's troubling, especially as the vast majority of Americans don't own passports & will take it as real.
Similarly, the French aren't allowed to complain about movies that make them look like pompous cunts. Which they are.
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Jun 25, 2009 3:43:11 AM CDT
Continentalop is correct. and the toughest of the tough is
by ironic_name
http://is.gd/1cQQh OLEG!
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in my experience it's been hard to say, bedouins, uzbeks, english, irish, german, american, jordanian, austrailians, I've served with tough people from many countries. hard to say who was the "toughest" though, everyone had their strengths and weaknesses.
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do you have the DGDB one?
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lmao that dude rocks!
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Do any of you follow ? Are you aware that the US beat THE BEST FUCKING TEAM IN THE WORLD LAST NIGHT!!
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I wonder what a Ronald Moore Transformers movie would be like..
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bill cobbs is a smooth muthafucka
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When I said Russians. Just making fun of what I thought was going to be an America vs. English pissing contest.
And I understand what you are saying Shite about the stereotyping of the English (although you must say Daniel Craig and Jason Statham are combating it very well). I am from Minneapolis originally, and every one instantly assumes that it is just like Fargo and thinks Minnesota Nice. You try to tell them you come from a working class neighborhood and that their is crime and stuff and they laugh and think you are making it up.
I mean, it isn't like I grew up in Hell's Kitchen or Cabrini-Green, but every city and place has an underbelly and a bad side of the tracks. I remember working at my uncle's massage parlor as the front clerk and having to go buy out and buy the whores their crack from the local Gangster Disciples. Scary shit for an 19-year old, even if I was a big guy because of college football. -
Jun 25, 2009 3:55:54 AM CDT
ironic, which Professionals script are you talking about?
by continentalop
I don't think I know of a DGBD script.
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Based on stereotypes in American movies.
Bedouins:
Strengths: Camel attack.
Weakness: No teeth/ camel toe.
Uzbeks:
Strengths: Stealth mode. Nobody knows where the fuck they live.
Weakness: Nobody knows where the fuck they live.
English:
Strengths: Elephant riding, while wearing a Fedora & whipping a small Indian boy.
Weakness: Cakes.
Irish:
Strengths: The ability to blend into a large group of people who feel sorry for themselves & wear caps & braces. Finding pots of gold at the end of rainbows.
Weakness: Fiddlydiddlywiddlydiddly.
German:
Strenghts: Sausage eating, Jew murdering, wearing glasses.
Weaknesses: Boring as fuck.
American:
Strengths: Large population of easy to fool people, ensuring an endless stream of dead young people.
Weaknesses: Can't drink beer without hugging people, vomiting, then falling over & crying. I love you dude! You're my best friend!
Jordanian:
Strengths/weaknesses: Fuck do I know. I wouldn't trust the fuckers as far as I could throw them though.
Austrailians:
Strengths: Good at bragging & being cocky.
Weaknesses: bragging & being cocky.
Wish I didn't start that shit now. I'm tired.
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what the fuck is happening with the world... since when have the yanks been able to kick a ball straight without grabbing it or wearing a ton of pussy "armour"... good job lads!
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I thought Devastator was sorta weak. Definitely like the original design a lot more on that one.
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I knew I could count on you to verify everything I say about you.
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Who are the best "Soccer" team in the world exactly?
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YOu do have a point , you lot cant drink beer to save your lives :)
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Based on what? I would never say they were the best in the world. They aren't the best national team & even a few European club sides would beat them. Manchester Utd, Chealsea, R.Madrid etc would thrash them.
Well done though. Ordinarily, I'd have had Spain down to hammer you. So good job!
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come on, no matter what country your from we all have our scary places and tough neighbourhoods but i think the cake would have to go to Joburg, them crazy african fucks are just plain mean and nasty, watch or download Ross Kemp on Gangs, the places he goes into and the guys he talks to are too scary for words, ill stick to having my appletini at the local winebar thanks
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Based on the fact that no one could beat them for what felt like 20 years (probably about 3 years) .Most club sides could beat any international side because they take the cream of the crop from all nationalities.Still amazed the USA beat them mind you. I saw Eddie Johnson play all last season and that fuck couldnt beat an egg.
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GIANT PIG!!!
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The first film had the same problem. Namely...
Who the hell is the target audience? Which age group?
It's designed to obviously sell toys to kids, but the humor is aimed at teenagers. The first film had jokes about masturbation. Yet, it's a property aimed at children.
It's like they said, "We want to target children and adults. How do we do this? Let's split the difference and aim it at teenagers." It makes no sense.
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I live in Japan, but I just read ESPN got the rights to the English Premier League.
Shit.
I have to put up with their shitty commentators over here. They haven't got a clue. Be prepared for shit like "He's in the red zone!"..the what? The red zone? What's that? Is he fucking menstruating?
THEN, if somebody gets a yellow/red card, they'll turn it into drama, like the fucking Colby's or something. & anyone who can kick the ball straight, or keep it for longer than two seconds is "World class". "He's got a penalty kick Bob! That means he can kick the Sakkerrrr ball into an offside red zone deeefense OFFense position."
Nightmare.
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Ive found myself in the Red Zone a few times .Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Me too.
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for example rich Jew or a black guy hung like a donkey
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Ha ha! I wonder if anyone else knows what the fuck we are on about haha!
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It's probably for the best if they don't.
Miyamoto_Musashi, I think everyone likes it when the stereotypes are positive. They only whinge when it goes against them. It's human nature. -
For me the robots were a diminutive flaw on a colossal pile of shit. Yes, they were overtly racist, and yes at times it felt as if Mudflaps and Skids might have well just sampled dialogue from various episodes of Good Times; but at least these characters have some redeeming value of entertainment. Shia LeBeouf, the man that will probably end up being the next Indiana Jones, was anything but interesting; in fact at times it felt like his character had no real purpose but to cue explosions by screaming out the name of a random Transformer. Don’t get me wrong, I like Shia LeBeouf, I’m glad he’s probably going to take the helm of the Indiana Jones franchise, but in this Transformers movie it felt as if he was just there… just... there snuggling his boner up on the crack of Megan Fox’s ass. Fox, by the way, is the best part of this movie; not because she had like a five minute “watch my boobs bounce as I run through the chaotic desert” scene, but because her character seemed pop out a bit more. In closure I feel that Michael Bay is heading the Transformer franchise in the right direction. Maybe the third installment will have Mudflap and Skids decked out in canvas bags, eating watermelon, and grabbing on their big robotic dicks while they discuss last evenings Lakers game. Fuck you Michael Bay, not because you took a jab at the brothers, but because you insist on shitting the same movie out year after year and I keep falling for it.
Oh, since when did Transformers in their golden years require walking sticks? When did Transformers have “golden years”?
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Michael Bay isn't a bad director, yeah this movie was pretty "meh" but I'm a fan of his past work. Who didn't like The Rock? Twas fucking bad ass.
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Jun 25, 2009 5:27:57 AM CDT
conti, the professionals comic where dgdb leaves a french woman
by ironic_name
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Since they are robots, and void of human racial differences, anyone who associates them with a negative stereotype is the one promoting that stereotype. A similar thing happened in Tucker Max's tattoo story when he described several people in great depth as extremely ghetto. He received a lot of negative feedback from readers saying he was racist against black people, but he never mentioned their race, and the people in the article happened to be white. But seriously, they're alien robots. If you're so against judging people by race on the grounds that it is merely a difference in appearance, then calling something racist on personality is the greatest of all hypocrisies.
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Oh, and Transformers isn't a 2 hour toy commercial, nor is it aimed directly at kids. Its aimed at the generations that grew up with transformers, the 80s and 90s kids.
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That should be the theme for the movie, fucking offensively retarded. That's what it was, in every sense. The majority of the movie is full of some loosely strung together, fucking unbearable scenes that amount to a huge, steaming pile of who gives a flying fuck?! Transformers is an easy movie to make cool. It's almost idiot proof, or one would hope. Here's the basic formula: Giant Robots + Kicking the shit out of each other = Good Movie. Instead we got roughly, oh, 20-30 minutes of that (and I'm being generous on this one) and 2 hours total bollocking bullshit stabbed directly into our eyeballs with a rusty, hepatitis-ridden syringe that had been soaked in the vomit of a man dying from syphilis. I walked out of the theater feeling like I had gotten cancer and herpes all in one shot. The movie is just full of shit no one cares about unless you're at total fucking dumbass. I want to see Transformers, I don't want to see John Turturro getting more screen time then all the Autobots combined. I don't care about Sam Whitwickey missing his first college wankfest whilst he watches his girlfriend finger herself on her webcam...I can download porn for that. I don't want to see Sam's stupid mom high on weed brownies...I WANT TO SEE FUCKING TRANSFORMERS!!! The final fight, and yes I'll ruin the movie for you because you shouldn't go see it, with the villain of the film lasts just under 3 minutes...I timed it. Other questions: Why are their cannon fodder Deceptions? Why is the little RC car Italian-American robot humping Megan Fox's leg? Is racial "humor" good for a kids movie? Hey, I love racial humor, I'll admit it...but's there's a difference between being comedic and being a giant flaming douche. By the way, after this fiasco, if some makes a movie that blatantly and retardedly makes fun of Jews, Executive Producer Spielberg best keep his fucking mouth shut after putting his name on this movie.
Is the humor supposed to be for kids? Is that what I'm missing? Do kids get humor like Sam's mom being high on weed brownies telling the girls that he recently had his cherry popped? It's in there, trust me. Do they laugh at a guy walking out into the Smithsonian with his pants down because he ran out of shit paper? Is it good for kids to be laughing at racial humor that's not only offensive and stereotype reinforcing, but not even clever? Are cursing robots good for kids? Do you want them emulating the twins from the movie? If that's true, the human race is fucked and we should all commit mass suicide right now.
Well, the answers to all my queries are simple: Michael Bay. Sure, the man has a talent for blowing things up, but so does a kid with a firecracker and his little sister's Barbie doll. We all know exactly who this movie was made for: Michael Bay. In his mind, this is the pinnacle of film making. A Marines recruitment movie with the occasional robot sprinkled amongst a 2 hour useless, offensively retarded, barely cohesive shit cake. And it's our fault too. All you Michael Bay apologists, you are to blame for his almost as much as he is...you empowered him by forgiving bits and pieces in his other movies. And for that, I have the perfect analogy. I take shit and there's bits of corn in it and I think to myself "Wow, corn is healthy for you, good thing I ate that" and I feel a little better knowing that...but what is the majority of the turd floating in the toilet? It's turd! A movie that is mostly shit with the occasional bright spot is precisely this: shit with bits of corn in it. When you allow for corn sprinkled turd from a man and excuse him and defend him for it, don't be surprised when one day he just shits on your chest and makes you pay 10 bucks for it. -
So it's one of two options...
Maybe Harry's just asking for a film boycott to check on the 'redundancy' status of his shit site...
or...
He's just a fat, cock-gobbling, corporate whore, C U N T who only gives out decent reviews if the price is right $$$ -
"What's that, Paramount? You only want to run a small banner at the top of my site? Righto then, better rewrite that review..."
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Grow a pair, Harry. Take the banner down if you hate the movie that much. Come on, fucko. Not that hard. Just say no to the $$$...
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What, posts removed? Must have hit a nerve.
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Well, for one, that bullshit in between the alien robots fighting actually has a name: "The Plot" There is also a reason why John Turturro got more screen time than the robots, he didn't take 72 hours of rendering per frame. As it is, had you tried to generate the robots in this movie on your computer, it would have taken you 16000 years. Also, the leg humping part with the little robot was meant to parody a dog, I cant think of any time I have ever seen an Italian-American humping someones leg, although I have seen dogs of similar size to the robot in question doing it. Honestly, if you don't have anything intelligent to say, or at least have any real facts to back up your opinions, don't say anything at all.
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Bob Orci "On a large pile of money with many beautiful women" ;)
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If you happen to like the movie, well good for you.
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Wouldn't the characters have to be black to be portraying a black stereotype? By making them robots aren't they being equal opportunistic ignorant crudballs? Still I haven't seen it yet.
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Holy shit, I didn't realize that there was actually someone with basic reasoning abilities on this site! Good job stvnhthr, I'm serious. Its a good movie, you should go see it.
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is it really racist if your making fun of someone that ACTUALLY ACTS THAT WAY?? everyone on these boards knows that they have met people like this. the whole "gangsta" "street" mentality thing is what they making fun of. and you all know that there are just as many ignorant white people acting that way in this day and age. i love that most everyone just assumes they must be talking about black people. if you're one of those people assuming that, let me ask you, doesn't that make you a little racist too? "hmmm, gold tooth, their idiots, they can't read, and they talk with street slang, why...THEY'RE BLACK!" Come on people, ease up. this country has become a bunch of whiners. fuck's sake
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Since the whole "i hate Wolverine coz of no free screening" I have decided, after reading all your reviews since, that you've lost your edge and I will never return to this website again.
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10 Reasons To Love Micheal Bay. Man he can handle action.
1) Sean Connery Nic Cage Chase (The Rock)
2) Opening Asteroid Shower Sombdy Dial911(Armageddon)
3) Freeway Pursuit Now Show Em ur Badge (Bad Boys 2)
4) Tranforming Scenes & Character's Intro(Transformers)
5) Destruction of Paris / Russian Space Station (Armageddon)
6) Prime v/s 3 Decepticons (Transformers 2)
7) Will Smith Running Slo Mo (Bad Boys)
8) Climax in Eygpt (Transformers 2) BEST
9) Climax (Bad Boys 2)
10) Attack on Pearl Harbour (Pearl Harbour) BEST
I Love Bay's Talent But He is on #5 Of Best Action Director's List.
1) Speilberg 2) Cameron 3) Emerich 4) Jackson 5)Bay 6)Woo 7) Wiseman 8)Mctiernan 9)Harlin 10)R Scott
Its not just the Action that counts the intensity that it should be felt. Transformers 2 is not for Kids or Grand Pas its for the Harmone filled, Super Hot & with Six Packs of Abs build Ppl Like Me. for the rest of you story lickers wait for the Majician Kid Called Harry Pot. But the way I like his Girl Friend. -
No Offence Harry I Love Your Wicked Sense of Humour But Here Lemme Tell U Guyz, Arent We There To See Things Blown Up Beautifully. With Wicked Humour. Sexy Women & Cars, Cars, Cars. Today We Are Complaining About The Slang & Twin Bots. WTF. Grow Up Man. These Day PG13 Is No Longer PG13. I Loved the Movie. Harry Man You Needed Some Red Bull Before The Screening. Micheal Bay Is The Da Vinci Of Action Choreography. Fuck U McG. I Wish Salvation Would Had Been Done By Bay. OMG Just Imagine.
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Regarding Medam Megan Fox. She was hot as hell in it, No Come on guyz you cant expect an oscar calibre performance out of her. She is a bombshell. She has done astonishing work let me tell you guyz at the Imax giant screening Megan equiped with her fruits was looking like a sex godess. what i would say is she has the most Sexy Bod & Innocent Face. The only let down is Shia. He is a great performer but not even an inch close to Megans Sex Apeal. Michael Bay should root for Hugh Jackman Next Time. After the screening only one name i was chanting in my dreams & it was Megan, Megan, Megan O O O O O O O Megan
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I care that it sounds god damned stupid!
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Michael Bay Rules. He is the real action director. Let us know a single director who dares to take such steps to direct one of the most complicated toyline story & walks away with it. Have you seen the scope of action. Critics are old sitting, bitching, reading & 70% busting their butts in front of computers. So what the hell does they now about what adrenaline pumping action junkies like us want. So F U Michael Bay Haters. Go & Watch Hanna f ing Montana. This is not the kind of Meal you Sissies can dijest. Way to go Micheal. we were blown away at the Imax. Hails to Micheal
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your response to JustUsNerdsHere was that all the shitty retarded things in Transformers 2 was called 'the plot'? Hmmm....nice comeback!
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and in no particular order,
Garbage man whore
Charles thomas sophist
chief joseph cunt
Black Prince ass mouth
and shit-titles off , may kindly suckle on my fat tranforming cock.
Suck loud, suck long, and suck hard you fucking ass smelling delinquent uninformed neuvorische pieces of choad flotsam. Afterwards, you may kindly wrap your cars around a tree, and burn and rot in the deepest, darkest bowels of hell like a smarmy cocksucker such as yourselves should.
Charles you smarmy bitch these other insignificant mouth-breathing cocksuckers are reliably pedantic , but you, you have no excuse. Mother fucker you aren't an intellectual, you are a sophist. A sophist mentality pedestriant minded sack of snot that latches on to my scrotum like two dollar whore. Give it up cunt, you aren't important. You don't matter. No one gives a flying fuck what you think about a GOD DAMN thing. You're a little bitch whose only outlet and voice in life is an anonymous talkback where you click refresh over and over just to see if anyone is paying attention to you. Your taste in films SUCK. You suck. Now go fuck yourself Oye? -
Star Trek is still the movie of the year.
Watchmen, Wolverine, and Terminator still suck horribly, and Avatar will be a steaming over-hyped inflated pile of shit stacked on a choad. That's....basically all you need to know. -
Hey Vance, u think ur so clever w/ ur scientific insults but ur just a fucking TOOL!!!!!!!
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I can forgive an awful lot of shitty films....I like corn.... but even I felt humiliated and raped by Transformers 2. The movie was an entire crate of nothingness. A real DISAPPOINTMENT in the truest sense of the word. An unfair lure to the cinema to see something which was not provided. Impressive CG just does not equate to action. Action needs to be staged... rather than just thrown together. Why were almost all of the transformers shooting at things off screen? Where's the contact betwen robots (aside from the forest fight)? Wheres the TRANSFORMATIONS for fucks sake?
I am exactly who this movie was made for... I am exactly the person who looks forward to a Transformers movie... and Bay couldn't even deliver for me.
Bay made a movie full of things which only HE finds funny, and and 'action' which ONLY HE thinks is cool.
TOO FAR, Mr. Bay.....You have gone too, too far.
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Yes, those of us who have the ability to actually think prefer movies that have more than just say... robots fighting. A story line, with several characters, (and even some brief moments of humor) are often enjoyed by those of us with IQs above 75.
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the debacle about box office and commercial acclaim versus critical acclaim, defining a films relevancy and capacity for entertainment. Ask yourself this-
Would you rather be a studio executive sitting on a piece of shit with a 300 million domestic box office run, or an unemployed bankrupt studio exec sitting on a box office bomb that happens to be a cinematic masterpiece? I fucking thought so, you lying self-deceptive mother fuckers. FUCK artistic integrity and "selling out." That tired chestnut is the last refuge of the poor and disadvantaged. -
The movie was very disappointing and I agree with you re: Spielberg. How he could seriosuly attach his name to this is just sad. Unfortunatley, Meghan Fox was the best thing about this film...
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OOOH - by your rules you just got served.
"Give it up cunt, you aren't important. You don't matter. No one gives a flying fuck what you think about a GOD DAMN thing. You're a little bitch whose only outlet and voice in life is an anonymous talkback where you click refresh over and over just to see if anyone is paying attention to you. Your taste in films SUCK. You suck. Now go fuck yourself Oye? "
You're like a lapdog barking out the window at some perceived menace but then we realize, it's really your reflection that's set you off.
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You ding dong dingleberry if I need your fucking opinion I'll give it to you.
Go back to bed the adults are talking. -
Who the fuck are you exactly where did you come from? Are you talking to me?
I just got "served?" Who the fuck talks like that? Served? is this the 90s? SERVE me my fries cunt my orders getting cold. -
Everything in your review is 100% accurate. I couldn't agree with you more on EVERY point you made, from the "story" flaws to the racist characterizations, I was thinking the exact same thing. Thank you for spotlighting this film for the racist, ugly piece of shit it is. Fucking hate this movie.
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I heard they put sooo much work into this movie. All that effort for seemingly little critical reward. One stat I heard was If you rendered the entire movie on a modern home PC, you would have had to start the renders 16,000 years ago (when cave paintings like the Hall of Bulls were being made) to finish for this year’s premiere!
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That the design concepts of the Transformers themselves don't more closely resemble you know, Transformers.
Organic robots really aren't anymore or less believable than tradtionally boxy like more utilitarian robots. Alot of the visual confusion people seme to be having during the fights would have been eliminated if the Transformers were actually a little more distinguishable beyond color codes.
That being said, the forest battle was fairly tight and kick-ass. Optimus Prime was finally done justice and behaved as Optimus Prime should. Like a champion. -
transformer_prime ACTUALLY THINKS TRANSFORMERS 2 WAS FUNNY........ HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
Yes mate, I like films with more than Robots Fighting.... but.... I don't class TRANSFORMERS 2 to be one of them...AND TO MAKE IT WORSE, THE 'SCENES' WHERE ROBOTS DO 'FIGHT', WERE ALMOST all TOTALLY CRAP! Please continue to defend this film...because IT MAKES ME LAUGH. -
To quote a fine comment on IMDB.
"it's a play on our own ignorance.
they are robots from outer space. they do not have a color. l o l.
this is the thing,
if someone thinks a character is black or white, it is THEY themselves who are looking at it with their racist lenses.
they start filling out what they think a black person looks, talks, acts like. those are stereotypes.
so if anyone says a robots is black, white or even half irish, they do so because they are reflecting their own racist views on the world.
trust me"
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Excuse me, I didn't use the more modern term Pwned.
I'm from the Star Trek talk-backs which was Bob Orci related..Its funny because your presence is tied to his name as well. Should I suspect something, or are you too another lonely sad little basement dweller hammering that F5 key into dust? Please don't give me your history, I'm well aware of it from those talk-backs.
I'm curious, is there youtube footage of you thrashing around your little world, punishing yourself, ripping your hair and screaming till your throat bleeds all in some limp attempt to best your enemies? Cause wouldn't that be the end?!
Keep the entertainment coming Josh the Clown.
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If no one played devils advocate and defended the film, there would be much discussion. You'd have Charles anus munch up there pontificating incessently about canadian bacon.
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You learned a new hotkey function, F5.
Also, you are culturally "hip" aren't you? You saw the latest video on youtube of the moron crying his warcraft subscription was cancelled. Aren't you just the veritable sooth-sayer of trends. Did you mimic your role model and stick the Transformer up your ass? -
Loved it.
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Loved it.
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"Must of hit it pretty close to the mark to get her riled up like that huh kid?"
You know you fuckers love it. -
It's no different than the Star Wars prequels.
Everyone and their mothers loved it EXCEPT, EXCEPT, a few discerning culturally informed drop outs from New York film Academy on Ain't it cool news. -
is playing devil's advocate. I think he genuinely considers Transformers 2 to have had a plot... and to have also been a fulfilling action/fantasy movie experience. And though he is entitled to his own opinion, in this intance, it is clear that only a lobotomised retard (that's an already retarded person who was also lobotomised) would have said opinion.
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They laughed mightily hard at them, not with them, they laughed a lot when the presidents advisor was assaulted out that plane too, seems anything cruel and mean about people they are threatened by is amusing, guess Bay just knows his audience as he is his audience.I won't pay to see another of his films in my life ever again, flat out that man is a massive cock.
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I clearly said there were humerus moments; I never said it was a comedy. Obviously humor is something lost on someone such as yourself since you obviously lack both a sense of humor judging by your reaction to my last post, and have the mental capacity of a roadkill squirrel, which you have demonstrated to everyone by actually voicing your "opinions."
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Are you Don Murphy or another producer?
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I'm a 20 year old Comp Sci student from one of the worlds most respected military schools.
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Regarding your response to Seph_J, several characters that do what? You also ripped for missing the plot in Transformers. You're right, I did...because whatever it was replaced with was nonsensical. These several characters you mention, how did they serve the story? Look, a movie called Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen can be broken down into 2 easy, simple plot points:
1. That the said Transformers are the core characters (based on the film's title) of the film and therefore should be the films focus unlike, say, John Turturro. And if you can't take the time or money to render the CG main characters of said film, then maybe you shouldn't make the film at all.
2. That there is a character (or characters, in this case 1) called the Fallen who wants to get some kind of revenge on someone.
So, did these 2 basic points take up the majority of the film's run time? Were they the focus of storyline with all other characters serving said plot? Or was it the adventures of Sam Witwicky and John Turturro tooling about a CG rendered desert potholed with crude humor? -
is struggling now to actually have a point. a roadkill... squirrel....? sense of humour? eh? keep posting, its far more entertaining than watching Transformers 2 was!
Bottom line is, there was nothing redeemable or HUMERUS about the film. Even for someone like me that often gives bad films a pass. -
This serves as a great how NOT to make a movie on any budget, on any level. It's hackness at the highest level. Maybe Spielberg was coked up with Bay to allow this abomination that carries his name on it to be made in this manner. FUCK 'EM ALL!!!
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You should try asking Francine Patterson (http://tinyurl.com/fpwiki) to explain these things to you. Since she was able to teach a gorilla sign language there is still hope that she might be able to dumb down a simple movie plot to a level that you can understand.
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"josh the clown"
"Shitterspray?"
The New York FILM Academy Basement dwellers are coming to get you Josh. They're a growing Army who wants to end well deserving manure producer's windfall profits and they've been talking Josh! They're saying they might take your Megatron buttplug away.. and you've had that since you recently crawl out of adolescence!
NOOO! Don't let them win Josh. Keep up your defense at that screen door and bark your tiny little head off because if they get in then we'll all end up living in a wasteland of plotty movies that don't make money.
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didn't Michael Bay already dumb the plot down? or was it... high art for you??
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As I understand it, TF2 offers a veritable petrie dish of bigotry. There's an Italian stoolie robot. There's an incontinent Irish robot that carries a sheleighleigh. There's a German robot that performs a Mengele-type operation on Sam. Turturro's character embraces his inner Jew while making bagels. A Muslim is afraid to come into contact with a pig carcass. An old Chinese man is interrupted while eating a bowl of noodles. The French refuse to engage in combat. The middle east consists of nothing but sand. An short Hispanic is referred to as a ' shrimp taco'. Women are good for only one thing as long as they're pretty enough. Parental ignorance is played up beyond distortion.I haven't seen the movie yet, but I can understand why some people would be offended by one, some, or all of these. However, I doubt the intent of the filmmakers was to be racist by intent. Was it racist to portray two jive talking passengers in AIRPLANE! way back in 1980? No, a stereotype was capitalized on and played up simply for laughs. Insensitive, yes. Offensive, perhaps. But racist? I don't think so. And that's the form of humor TF2 appears to dispense based upon what I've read so far. I could be wrong.Given such the long laundry list of offenses TF2 engages in, I can't help but wonder -- why is the common knee-jerk reaction to focus solely on the Car Car Binks twins? And doesn't that say more about the offended than it says about those who made the movie?
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Paraphrasing a little, but many have said they just want to see robots beat the shit out of each other.
Why not just show two robots bitch-slapping each other for 2 hours and call it a movie? Cause that would be pretty fucking boring wouldn't it? Bay's minimal effort at story and character are not enough, seriously, how long can you watch a fucking fight scene without becoming bored? There needs to be other stuff or the fights cease to be exciting - is that so fucking hard to grasp??
And no, blockbusters aren't supposed to be dumb as a bag of hammers, they used to be well written AND fun. Again, why is so difficult for some fuckers to grasp this concept? Quality and mass appeal don't have to be mutually exclusive you idiots...there's plenty of examples over the years of both, so why do you think we should accept less now? Shouldn't we expect MORE as technology/techniques/creativity expand?
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I don't know how I can dumb down the movie plot anymore than I have. I broke down a 2 and half hour movie into 2 points for Christ's sake. Secondly, why would I want a psychology professor and linguistics specialist to explain the plot of Transformers 2 to me? More importantly, maybe YOU can explain to me why this film is actually good and not bad. Hopefully in a dumbed down, lower primate fashion since this is what I require, all that extra jaw muscle on my head keeping my brain from growing large and all.
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I get the feeling you would defend a piece of shit ..."it is big, solid and you can see corn"
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isn't it Shitterspray, that everyone posting on these forums is irrelevent, since that outcome would be the invariable result of "fan" interference- the decline of cinema. I use the term "fan" with the most piss-stained affection I assure you.
It's comical you inflate your fragile ego enough to refer to yourself as an "enemy." That would presuppose I give a shit enough about talkbacks which, you MUST know I don't. Actually, I don't give a shit about Transformers one way or another, this film matters to me about as much as wiping my ass where your rim job was dirty. I just like taunting fat boys that's all. -
I'm sorry, I will try this again.
The movie Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen, although predominantly an action film, included several humorous moments. One such moment is when the protagonist, Samuel Witwicky's mother inadvertently consumed a brownie containing cannabis. As a result she started acting strangely, and even went so far as to tell embarrassing stories about Sam to other students at his university. This of course is a classic example of situational irony, in which someone acts contrary to what would be expected and or desired in a certain situation. More situational irony can be seen in the scene at Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center of the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, when one character comes out of the bathroom with his pants (but not undergarments) around his ankles asking for toilet paper in an attempt to create a distraction. In addition to these brief comedic scenes, director Michael Bay also included two characters, often refereed to as "The Twins" as a form of what is called "Comic Relief." These two characters are portrayed as not being the most intelligent characters, and often have comedic altercations with each other as the result of petty arguments. It is through these brief moments of humor that Michael Bay adds more depth to the movie, by introducing a more broad range of emotional response from the average viewer. It is unfortunate that there is apparently such a large base of viewers who are mentally incapable of perceiving and or understanding such a simple, and basic movie making technique.
There, is that better Steph_J? -
I apologize that while typing up that last one, I neglected to give each and every one of you your own verbal bitch slap as I just did to Steph_J. I promise that you will each get what is coming to you, as soon as I am done making some food, unless of course I can't be bothered because I found something better to do, which is a very real possibility.
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1. Drive up to Magic Mountain (not Disneyland as I said in another TB...Disney patrons are too sophisticated for this).
2. Poll everyone in line under the age of 11 asking them what they want to see in a Transformers movie.3. Ask any of these kids parents under the age of 25, who are wearing gang colors or White Trash paraphernalia such as Nascar T-shirts or wife beaters with Country music bands on them what THEY want to see in a Transformers movie.4.Meet with Marketing to determine which of these ideas best match the established demographic matrix developed from the last film.5. Assemble these random ideas into random action sequences, the logic and linear flow of these shots does not matter as your target demo would not recognize the difference and money can be saved by not putting capital into such unnecessary things as story development.,p>6.Release immediately prepare the Brinks trucks. -
Although I do not whole heartedly agree with everything you said, you at least said it intelligently, and with proper references and backing to your arguments. As a result, I respect your opinion even though I do not fully agree with it. Good job, you gave me hope that there are actually intelligent people here.
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it means. Is this really a 'woman-hating' movie, by virtue of liberal use of T&A? If so, I propose this review is misogynistic; the only mention of women is that Megan Fox was 'hotter' in the first film.
Also, you hated TF1, but own it on Blu-Ray? Why not ebay that disc and give the money to a bum? It may do some good. To be fair, you said you watched it on BR, not "YOUR" BR. -
simple, basic movie making technique. Thats what it was. VERY simple and VERY basic.I want more basic and simple films. Just like Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen!!!! ,P> and for everyone else reading this talkback.......apparantly transformer_prime considers 'the twins' to have 'added more depth' to the film. Comic Relief is supposed to 'relieve' the tension. FIRST though, you need to CREATE the tension. Don't YOU understand this basic and simple movie making technique?
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Sounds like the HUDSUCKER PROXY to me...
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Sounds like the HUDSUCKER PROXY to me...
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it's terrible what Michael Bay and company has done with a kids adventure story into foul mouthed porn movie,shame on them! didn't they know little kids are watching this movie? but they didn't care what a shame should have been rated "R".
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Last I checked, the threat of the Sun being extinguished and the Earth dying would count as tension. If you do not consider it as such, I am more than curious to hear what you would consider tension.
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why did Hitchcock even bother showing the bomb under the table... he should have just slipped it into the dialogue of the humping robot R.C car somewhere! Thats REALLLLLY tense. And you know what really creates tension.... when EVERY SINGLE character that 'dies'... comes back to life again!!! Real good. Stakes are high here boys!!!!! 'the sun being extinguished and the Earth dying' is really not that terrifying when the ability to resurrect yourself is held by every character (Megatron, Prime, Sam etc.). Real Tense. If Janet Leigh came back from the dead in Psycho, sure it would be creepy - but if everyone could do it... why fear Norman Bates? And did Janet Leigh go to Robot Heaven when she died?...so....er... why did Sam Witwicky??
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but I did not like transformers 1 and I wont be seeing this long ass piece of shit like the rest of the world will be.
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You're incredibly invested in these talk-backs. You were in Star Trek as well and your banner was always the box office results for the week. Not once did it ever feel like you were just having a go at the fans. You came off as a dejected child sore that people dared criticize this beloved property you hitched to and you argued that a lot of people paid admission so it must be GOOD and loved by people not represented here. Those who are turned off afterwords and vent about it on a message board designed for that very thing must be on the fringe and you're like the only fan. Or those people are simply "haters" who only showed up to poo-poo and do not have a legitimate argument because the property made money. This is what I take offense to, and why I'm on your case.
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Is Megan Fox replacing Angelina Jolie in the next 'Tomb Raider'. What the fuck is that about? Gone are the days we were able to rationalize seeing those movies because they at least starred an oscar winning actress. In spandex. Goddamnit.
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Jun 25, 2009 9:39:34 AM CDT
no more stupid comments about robots not reflecting race
by miyamoto_musashi
Orci mentioned the human qualities of the transformers, whether it be the old British professor with flatuence problems or the joe Pesci type decepticon, clearly it's about whether bay and his friends thought any of this was offensive and unnecessary
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The reviews are true... the action IS boring at a point. I wanted it to end so bad.
In reaction to some of the reviews, I feel like the one purely racist moment in the movie was when one of the twins said, "we really don't do that much reading" (or some near minstrel show version of that).
This is the kind of stuff that doesn't register with most kids, but reinforces some truly evil stuff some kids get from their dickhead parents... So cheers, Hasbro! Who knew you were in that business?
Aside from that, I sat next to a family with a 6 year old who cheered for Bumblebee EVERY TIME he appeared on screen and he had to have his ears covered 90 times (and eyes covered twice for the dog sex).
I read some reviews and I thought... maybe this is overkill cause it feels good to shit on Bay. BUT, I gotta say when that second dog-sex shot rolled around, I thought, "That's not 2 dogs fucking... It's Bay saying a big FUCK YOU to anyone who had a problem with the first dog sex scene".
And I'm MORE THAN FINE with that if it's funny, but just because something can make a 13 year old laugh twice and a mom cringe twice doesn't make it funny. Both groups spend 95% of their day laughing and cringing, respectively. -
what are you you waiting for ?its best moive now and its new styel fro movie actoin adn micheal bay is is best directing actoin in world and beter than speelberg amd jame camerun is togeter so dont be iodiots and ssee it then !its funny and exsiting and and the specal affects are bestr ever saw !only idoits wont see tramsformers 2 becsase is better than frirst transrormers movie and all of starw ars and indiana jomes movies and i think trnasfromers 2 will willbe most sucesfull movie eveer made and its proofs amereica is number one and i sayd at the the end of the movie america is nimber one american is number 1 becase i was in england at the time wehn i saw it becasae i was visits my dad in englnad and all ,of englamd fags were laufing wehn its over and they didnt cheers becasse there jelous ovbbiosly of ameirca and of how goood nicheal bay is at directimg action movies !is movei fro all ages for kids and and adults adn im 19 years old and its perect movie for me and for everone !if peeple keepbeing nasty att this film iwill punch fuck out ofthem becase they dont knowwhatt there talking aboat and if i see somone who dont like this moive i will brek there neck proberly well not reelly but i wish i wolud be aload to do that !peeple who who dont like tramsformer 2 are worong and idots reelly !i am siuck of them and if you want to be not a idoit then go andsee transdormers 2 then !MIcHEAL BAY IS BEST ACTOIN DRIRECTINg !
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Was the voice of Skids. Hahahah first gays, now this. Tom Kenny also voices Spongebob.
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Jun 25, 2009 9:46:13 AM CDT
joshuavance1701, THAT THESAURUS IS GETTING SOME WORK HUH?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Or does Google feature a Retard to English translator?
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yeah... maybe just saying it objectifies women is more true. But then again, that assumes ANY character is fleshed out (human or CGI robot).
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Peter grifin is God!!!!
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...and his impression of Michael Bay's target audience. Spot on man, spot on.
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"!i am siuck of them and if you want to be not a idoit then go andsee transdormers 2 then"
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please harry, instead of milkgirl.
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what do you meen ?are you saying nastyat me or are you saying about wehn sams mom is isbeing funny in the movei .?its funneist bit of moive fro me but engalnd fags didnt think is funny adn they gigling wehn you are not ment to to andi wish i saw tranformers2 in america reelly so everone willcheer at end ameirca is number one aemrica is nimber o ne !is this happens hwen peepel see it in america ?
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"englamd fags were laufing wehn its over and they didnt cheers becasse there jelous ovbbiosly of ameirca and of how goood nicheal bay is"
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Jun 25, 2009 10:07:35 AM CDT
Peter Griffin. Your namesake would also agree with you
by col. tigh-fighter
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Nice to see you finally come to admit what others had told you years ago, about Bay's work and the puke himself.
Bay is like the Sacrecrow, Tin Man and Cowardly Lion of filmamking. His movies have no heart, no brains and no guts. He caters to the lowest common denominator --for you GayBay fans out there no "Denominator" is not the name of a Transformer-- and it says a lot that there so many people falling over themselves to make excuses for it.
I'd advise the Bay apologists to watch the movie Idiocracy. And then ask themselves is they're more like the hapless protagonist of that movie or the nation or morons he has to circumvent?
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...what happened in America. I am an englamd fag.
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Jun 25, 2009 10:13:43 AM CDT
Dr_PepperSpray, joshuavance1701 IS JUST ANOTHER GOP CLOWN…
by charlesthomasmathews1978
The fact that he’s defending this piece of shit movie says everything about what type of person he is. Someone who places money and status over persona integrity while he thinks that throwing medical terminology into his insults somehow makes him an intellectual. For him, it’s inconceivable that you can make a summer blockbuster with an actual brain despite the fact that The Dark Knight and Iron Man did it last year while he was probably eating up Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. This braindead fucking syphilitic cockhead believes that something popular or successful automatically equates quality. It must be horrible for this sad little clown to have to constantly prove to himself that he’s better then everyone else by busting his ass to maintain a lifestyle while always burning up inside over the fact that there will always be someone who is more successful and, by his own definition, better than him.
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first, I take you do intend to say "england fags", leaving me surprised this movie didn't offend you... being that you are so sensitive.
"wish i saw tranformers2 in america reelly so everone willcheer at end ameirca is number one aemrica is nimber o ne !is this happens hwen peepel see it in america ?"
The 9 and 10 year old I took to the movie fell asleep before the end of the movie... and there was no cheer at the end to wake them up. (but I think my two nephews, and the whole rest of the crowd were secret "england fags")
And since my nephews were bored to sleep, I'll give you there address so you can "brek there neck proberly" and "punch fuck out ofthem". -
wait... is "englamd faNgs" anything?
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Just to let you all know, this review contains spoilers.
There. I said it. Don’t be mad @ me, ya'll, but I can’t get into this particular review w/o spoiling a couple things here and there.
Let me preface this review by stating that I am a HUGE Michael Bay fan. I absolutely love most of his movies and can totally appreciate his style of leave-your-brain-home-and-enjoy-the-pretty-colors direction, and I thought the 1st Transformers movie was an absolute PERFECT junk food movie. I copped it in HD as soon as it came out and STILL watch it once in a while. When I heard Bay was going to make a sequel, the inner fanboy in me bust a virtual nut.
“MORE Optimus Prime? MORE giant robot fights? MORE intricately detailed transformation sequences? And the Constructicons? AND they form Devastator? Megan Fox draped over a motorcycle w/batty lick shorts on? Sign me all the way up for this!” I said to myself.
Dammit, Man…this movie sucks.
No disrespect to anyone on these boards who loved this flick, but this movie sucked huge metal robot balls (which were in the movie, BTW…WTF was up w/THAT one?!?!?!?) in comparison to the 1st.
There isn’t even a bloody plot for the middle 1/3rd of the movie!
Seriously.
You could literally cut a whole hour out of this, and it would probably make
more sense. There were some kewl introductions of new robots in the beginning (more on the Twins later) which was nice, but there wasn’t much of even a semblance of plot. I know, I know, “it’s a Bay film! What do you expect?” you say…same defense I put up against all the so-called “elites” who railed against me for loving the 1st one. One shouldn’t expect Shakespeare from a toy commercial. I get that (for instance, I vehemently defended my love of the largely implausible “Cloverfield” last year! LOL). But this was bad even for him. For instance:
1.The scene where Shia’s character’s mom eats the pot brownies…did it REALLY need to go on for that long?
2.Did John Turturro need to strip to his underwear again? AGAIN?!?
3.How the f–k is it daylight EVERYWHERE on the planet? And if I’m able to teleport across the globe, why drive? I guess that’s how Bumblebee was able to get to Egypt from the US in 2 scenes flat.
4.Megatron is not supposed to be ANYONE’S bitch, I don’t care how many millennia you have on him.
5.Since when are Transformers able to disguise themselves as humans?
6.I’m a shaky-cam fan, but DAMN!
The Robot Twins…what.the.F–K!
I don’t like them @ all. Why are they so damn stereotypical? I could accept Jazz in the 1st one because the original G1 Jazz was “black” also (voiced by the late Scatman Crothers, who was also the voice of Hong Kong Phooey, BTW). And he was a decent soldier and a great fighter, though he was destroyed by Megatron in the 1st one. These two Latino carriacatures should offend anyone w/even a modicum of ethnic blood in them. Why can’t they read? They’re cybernetic organisms that were apparently able to absorb complete knowledge of Earth’s languages via the World Wide Web. Why does one of them have a gold tooth? Why are their eyes all kooky? Since when is it ok to have Step N Fetch It in robot form?
F–k Michael Bay for this part of the movie.
Jar Jar Binks-like characters (Car-Car Binks in this instance? LOL) will always be an epic fail as far as I’m concerned. They didn’t work in the Star Wars prequels and they don’t really work here. The Twin Robots were funny @ 1st, but then quickly became grating as the movie progressed.
It’s not ALL bad though…if you’re hungering for more robots, this one delivers in spades. I consider myself a huge TF geek-I know most of the robots on sight. But this was almost overload…ALMOST! There were almost too many of them! It was cool, though, to watch them fight, albeit hard to tell which robot was which. The scene in the forest is absolutely spectacular, and here is where Bay shines best. Very well choreographed, and expertly framed…ILM once again proves that they are standard bearers for virtually all other digital FX studios. The integration of the CGI w/set pieces is nothing short of flawless; the robots are even more real and intricately detailed this time.
And Megan Fox. Wow. She could get all 8.5″. ALL of it, and raw, too…LOL
Anyway, there is a marked difference in tone from this sequel and the 1st. The first movie was a bit more refined; it was like Bay had Spielberg reigning him in when he got too grandiose. Now, it would seem that since the 1st one did so well, he was allowed to do whatever the f–k he wanted, to ill effect.
Visually speaking, this movie is just frigging golden! It’s a bit hard to follow @ points from a visual standpoint (what are these robots doing? Are they fighting or dancing? Who is that fighting who? etc.), and the plot is LITERALLY non-existent @ times (bad even for Bay). Like I said, it looks really, really, really, REALLY good, especially in IMAX (although it would seem that most of the scenes weren’t actually shot w/IMAX cameras, as you can tell by the changing aspect ratios) but the Twins and lack of direction kill this for me. A strong rental, as far as I’m concerned.
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did england crowd cheer when you sawthe movie ?i dont think they they cheer for movei becase is my second tiem and last time i saw inrcedibal hulk last yaer and tehn nobody cheer in england then asw ell and i by myslef cheering ameriac is number one america is number one !aslo i dont think all of england peeple are fag only the ones who dont like trnsfromers 2 and reelly fag is diferent word for idoit for me so i not meen there gay or wahtever .and some englnad peeple are good like onekid caled tyron who son of my dads frend and he is 18 and hehas xbox 306 and he drinkd bbeer all of time .i dont haveproblem wiht enfgland becaese i go go here to visits my fad each year but they didnt cher at the ennd of transormers 2 wich was reelly anoying so i cheer on my own then and sayd ameriac is number one america is number one !wehn is rtansformer 2 on dvd anyway ?MICHEL BAY RULE !
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http://tiny.cc/S5Qng
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Don Murphy has gotten the ads pulled and intends to get ALL advertising pulled here! http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=31346
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All reviewers of this movie seem to have bleeding vaginas.
My biggest problem with the movie was that Devastator was not kicking ass all over the planet and he got owned by a robot Eminem. Oh, and robot balls, that could have been left out.
Other than that, I was able to follow the "story" and the battle scenes pretty easy. I would have liked more interaction between the bots, other than the fight scenes (which there are a lot of), but I'll manage to get over it.
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I though he made good movies back in 1996 when i saw the rock, because i was fucking 16. Seriously the guy has the sense of humor like a retarded 12 year old , i mean he uses the same plot devices and comedic dialogue in pretty much every movie. Who can forget the scene in the rock when the black woman in the jail cell states" i should have brought my motherfucking gun" he paints black people in the same light in every film he makes, and the whole Obama thing is really odd when you realize what he's trying to put across their. The man has made seven films and is 44 years old he has not evolved as a director at all and will never, you know just what you going to get with his films, full circle camera shots, close ups of some incredibly hot chicks eyes tearing, the shot of people in some Midwestern town that looks circa 1930 watching a tv together outside, military asskissing, i could go on . The special effects where cool but thats about it i knew what it would be so im not disapointed in the least, could he spend more time with the robots of course but you know he won't, he rather indulge his inner mongloid with lowbow humor so what can you do. my biggest problem is with speilberg i really don't know how he let some of that racial shit slip past him unless he really doesnt give a fuck, money is king i guess. Just be thankful we have directors like Nolan , Mann and others they make dealing with the Bays of the world alot easier.
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By not going to see ROTF.
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The ultimate irony of this film is that (whether consciously or unconsciously) it's a great, big metaphor for sticking around in Iraq. Okay, fine, but what's really quite ironic about it is that the film itself is a total trainwreck, very much like the "salute" it's trying to send off. The decepticons are all foreign vehicles (the autobots, all GM), great attention is paid to the knocking over of the american flag, and, yes, one decepticon actually yells "Jihad". I couldn't believe my ears. I've always joked about Bay's films being "recruitment videos for the army", but... wow.
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Jun 25, 2009 10:54:12 AM CDT
I'm MAD AS HELL and I"m NOT GONNA TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
by the reluctant austinite
For fuck's sake, this is the worst summer for movies I've ever had to live through, and I'm sick of hearing "You're too old, you're not the target demographic and these movies are for kids." Okay, "Star Trek" was entertaining and "Drag Me to Hell" was great, but as I predicted, nobody will go see an original horror film these days not based on some recognizable name brand. "Wolverine" was bland. "Terminator" sucked. Now this, and all we've got to look forward to is "G.I. Joe"? Just shoot me! Whatever happened to summer movies that could be enjoyed by practically all ages, like "Raiders of the Lost Ark"? These flicks don't have to be dumbed down to make a mint at the box-office. Creative film makers can work hand-in-hand with the money men and everybody can win, but this summer the evil empire has won. Bay, Sommers and McG have had their way, and now we all know how that feels. Next year can't come soon enough.
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as the phenomenon that shook people up or some kind of marketing scheme like that. pictures of people jumping in their seats.
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Both decent horror films released in the summer where they go to die.
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Released that on Thanksgiving weekend for fuck's sake.
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and all the moreso because he a billionaire one
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...of having PeterGriffin write reviews for this site. Have him review all the big summer blockbusters.
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No... no, no, no. Seriously, go fuck yourselves. You people are the reason piles of shit like this get made. And Harry is making a coordinated attack? Fuck off and die. He's still got the page views to turn this ship around and make it into a titan stronghold of criticism if looking at these other sites attacking him and LAUDING THIS PIECE OF SHIT are any indication. That just shows that the emperor has no clothes. You want him to give a bad review... as long as you hate the movie as well. In recent months, there have been certain things, like the Wolverine bs, where it was obvious how hypocritical they were being on here, but I think Mori took it WWWWAAAAAYYYYY over the top. He's a gone job. I'm glad he's gone. However, if you're going to bitch and complain about Harry then call him out when he actually writes a bad review, you're more full of shit than you think he is. At THAT point I have to say, "Ok, then why the fuck are you still coming here?" Obviously nothing will satisfy you. With this review, all Harry would need to do in my eyes is BE FUCKING HONEST with himself and his audience in some sort of epic post about the site, pwesents, who his friends in the business really and whether or not he could ever give their movies a bad review (if not, don't REVIEW them... news is fine, reviews are not), and then wrap it up with some kind of new mission statement for the site. Hire some new reviewers, change the layout just a little, add the edit button. And on the subject of 'respecting Orci', I agree, don't attack someone like a rabid dog, a certain amount of human respect should be on display, but otherwise, if you think the movie is a pile of shit and agree with Ebert, then say it. Why shouldn't you? So whenever someone comes here, we're supposed to be in love with them and their film even if it sucks and we loathe it? Ummm, I was under the impression that this is what everyone was attacking Harry for and complaining about the downfall of AICN... too much of Harry's slobbering, dog-like love for EVERYTHING? You people are the hypocrites at this point.
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I just followed the link to his message board and he claims Paramount already pulled the ads. Too bad I just saw one on the main page. HA!
Ridiculous, Paramount paid for ad space, and Paramount's ad agency sends the banner ads here via their server through the Flash window, Harry doesn't post the pictures, Harry doesn't choose the little video clips that come streaming onto our screens whether we want them to or not.
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the film made 6o million yesterday so its not going to be anything but a huge hit maybe 190 for the first five days. im not suprised at all most people will love this movie
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I don't think Murphy cares about the reviews. He thinks calling for the boycott is retarded. He thinks attacking Orci crossed a line. Hey, he's right. I think Murphy's gonna make sure the site loses maximum revenue. I support this effort.
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I clicked over to Murphy's message board too. What kills me is how they're all flapping on about how classy Orci handled himself -- which is true -- only to engage in the same juvenile behavior over there that they claim to find so disgusting over here. For example, one person chided another for swallowing their dog's semen.If, as they claim, this site is full of "loser ferrets"... then I'll take the ferrets.
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No one over there has been personally attacked and run off the board. Take the Ferrets...while you can. Immortal my ass.
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At the end of the day this website still gets miliions upon millions of hits a day/week/month/year and the studios would be foolish to ignore it.
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You wanna bet? Paramount's down and he's moved on to Dreamworks and Sony next. He's not calling for a boycott, he's cutting the money off. THANK GOD.
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Jun 25, 2009 11:42:26 AM CDT
Harry Knowles would sell his father into alien slavery for the l
by mitortilla
Don Murphy supports slavery.
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Drag Me To Hell sucked balls and I have yet to meet anyone who liked it who isn't a die-hard Raimi fan. It's a bad movie you Kool-Aid drinking fucks. It sucked!
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First off I defended Bob Orci when he was here and told several of the asses here to back off, so suck my left nut. I agree with Murphy about their treatment of Bob.
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Besides the forest battle and the final battle, this was unwatchable. I sat next to a mom and her 3 kids, not one over the age of 12, while robots called each other "bitch-ass" "pussy", etc, dogs fucked, and the pot brownie scene. Then all the kids were treated to jokes about a robot's balls, and a robot humping Megan Fox's leg (Ok, that wasn't bad). All the trailers before the film were kids movies aimed at the under 12 set. "Aliens in the Attic" was one of the trailers, and some Adam Sandler sappy story, the name escapes me. I saw it once, not buying a DVD, not seeing it again. Things I did like: thought I saw Hot Rod in an early scene, coolness. Devastator was cool, some of the action was less choppy/jump-cutty, so you could follow it a bit. My opinion on the political turmoil gripping this TB: Liberals, Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, are not your enemies or your friends. Whichever 'side' you're on, the politicians are on their own side. Government is the enemy. Arguing about which side is better just makes them richer.
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You're just a bowl of sunshine, aren't you, peaches?
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The new James L. Brooks film he's doing with Seth Rogan.
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Fat fuck dilikes the racial steriotypes. And not a SINGLE word to the plot. PIECE OF SHIT, HARRY! PIECE OF SHIT!
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Don't know if it's something that's hard to notice if you aren't American but we did not pick up on that at all.
If anything it's an insult to Britain (and probably the rest of the world). I mean is giveng someone 3 lines and the odd close up of a union flag suppossed to pass for showing an "international effort"?
The real flaw though is fining stuff in a pyramid that's been explored and robbed to death, not at the peak I mean the other stuff.
Seriously though, not seeing the racism, nor the anti female stuff either, save for the objectifiaction thing, but that's par for the course.
Oh one more thing, I was always under the impression that the censors gave out film certificates, not the film makers. If this stuff is too much for PG 13 it should be an R roght? It's one of the drawbacks of a "non barrier" certification system; which I'm sad to say we're moving towards over here with the 12A certificate, our version of the pg13. It's down to people like Harry, with his nnephew to read the warning and decide whether to risk taking a cild under the age of 13, or watch the film THEN decide if it is suitable or not.
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Jun 25, 2009 11:57:22 AM CDT
I JUST POSTED THIS ON DON MURPHY'S BOARD...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Murphy, go fuck yourself you pompous, bloated sack of shit. I hate Knowles and he has banned me multiple times and maybe Paramount didn’t kiss his ass enough but the truth is that Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is an appalling piece of fucking shit aimed at the lowest common denominator. I know you have a vested financial interest in this enterprise but are you such a capitulating asskisser that you couldn’t have asked Bay why he needed to throw two robots based on racially offensive stereotypes? Or why he needed to throw his politics into the movie in the way he made the President’s secretary of defense who was portrayed as a spineless coward because he wanted to negotiate with the Decepticons? I don’t remember seeing that in 2007 when Bush was still Chim In Chief? Or why he portrayed the Decepticons and nihilistic savages that had to be destroyed which is why we see Optimus Prime shooting them in the face or tearing their heads apart? As for Boborci, he can go fuck himself. At AICN I’ve been posting as CharlesThomasMathews1978 and if he doesn’t like being told what a fucking terrible writer he is then he can eat shit. “Nice guy”? I don’t give a fuck because the fact is that he and his butt buddy have written nothing but shit over the years but because some of that trash has made money, asswipes like you talk as though the guy is fucking Paddy Chayefsky. Last time I checked Chayefsky didn’t make a living writing about geriatric farting robots, leg humping robots and uncle tom bots. Of course he’ll try to pass the buck and blame bay in a round about way because he’s a whore who’s concerned about collecting a paycheck on Transformers 3 then showing any sort of personal integrity by telling Bay to go fuck himself with his Neocon politics and cross burning racism. Hey, how about in Transformers 3 Bay throws in a robot that speaks in a Jewish accent, has a big nose and is shown to be a greedy fuck? I wonder what Spielberg would have to say about that, eh? This movie is indefensible and what makes it worse is that you spent 200 million dollars on this over produced piece of fucking shit and yet despite the racism, fascist politics and sub-retard storytelling, this movie was above all else FUCKING BORING! Now, I’m sure that this will make a billion worldwide and I’m positive that’s all you care about but don’t even try to sidestep criticism of this fucking awful movie because your fragile ego can’t handle the fact that you, Bay, Orci, Kurtzman, Kruger and I’m now sad to say Spielberg (especially after this and Crystal Skull, he really doesn’t give a fuck anymore does he?) are a purveyor’s of trash cinema and are everything that is wrong with Hollywood and North American cinema today. For this movie I hope that the big one hits and California sinks into the fucking ocean taking all of you with it.
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Is he planning on putting them up on neo-nazi sites?
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You know, if you tone down the language, I think you could land a recurring gig at the Huffington Post.
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Jun 25, 2009 12:03:32 PM CDT
If you dont want to receive ads for a certain product, all you g
by dailysportspages
If you dont want to receive ads for a certain product, all you gotta do is call the company serving the ads. Tell them you dont want a certain ad on your site, and they usually stop sending you that feed.
Its not usually a difficult process.
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Thank you for making me laugh CharlesMathews. I remember you as Creepy Thin Man on that other site where you got mocked and PWNED by Supernova and his friends. I remember you crawling around with toilet paper coming our of your ass begging for love and not getting it. How amazing to learn that you're the reason AISN will suffer. Yes, you know who I am now don't you you sad lonely little boy?
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Where's you up to the minute news? Aintitlate.com
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That's my biggest problem with the movie, why Bay felt the need to put is political views on the screen. unless you blind its really hard not to see he wants to make Obama out to be weak and willing to hand over Sam and deal with the terrorists. Besides pearl harbor which had to have the real president at the time in it , none of his movies have ever used the image of the current president.
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If you don't like a movie, don't watch it again. Simple as that. Because the Sec. of Def. was portrayed as a coward because he wanted to negotiate with the Decepticons, that suddenly makes this movie a right wing conspiracy? I hope Don Murphy sends you a fruit basket.
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Seriously, Don Murphy is upset that people on AICN are talking shit? Does anyone remember Murphy's profane, venomous talkback temper tantrums around the time of the first TF talkbacks? That guy is one of the bigger punkass bitches I've ever seen on this site... and that's saying a lot. Now he thinks he can attack AICN's ad revenue? What other web site is actually going to advertise a 12" Rene Belloq doll? -
The bleeding hearts are out in full force. Now it is suddenly offensive for a political implication made in a film (if one actually really is in TF2). Bladernner79 and CharlesThomasMathews1978 seem to overlook every other Hollywood movie with their liberal political messages.
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Jun 25, 2009 12:11:05 PM CDT
ORCI'S A FUCKING LAPDOG AND WRITNG A MOVIE FOR BAY MEANS...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He gets a smack on the nose with a rolled up newspaper while Bay screams at him "NO, MORE EXPLOSIONS, GIVE ME SOME NIGGERBOTS, MORE FARTING, MORE MASTURBATION JOKES, MORE GIANT MILITARY BATTLES SHOWING HOW FUCKING AWESOME WE ARE USA USA USA!!!" as Ocri regrets selling his soul.
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I'm not saying your point is wrong, but Bush was on air force 1 in the 1st Transformers.
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going to McDonald's for lunch. You get the urge every once in a while but you know you'll regret it right afterwards.
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copyright that before bay does.
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this forum has gone MAD!! MAD I TELLS YA!!Anyways, who gives a fuck about some stupid Transformers movie anywho? Sure, I wish anyone else besides that dipshit Michael Bay had directed it and we actually got a good action summer movie but...it didn't happen. Big fucking deal. I plan on watching Batman Begins and The Dark Knight this weekend on Blueray instead of going to the theatre to see the shitty T2. I'm happy.
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Pelvis is a pussy.
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ChazMom and Murphy both made references to someone named Supernova when talking about Chaz1978. Hmmm...
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Then who was asking for ding dongs in TF1?"Bay felt the need to put is political views on the screen"So what? Lots of filmmakers do it. Happens all the time. Even Pixar did it with Wall-E."he wants to make Obama out to be weak and willing to hand over Sam and deal with the terrorists."Wow. This one is ripe.Lookit -- remember the whole ordeal with the kidnapped sailors? Obama told the snipers to fire ONLY if it appeared that the lives of the sailors were endangered. They had been out on the ocean for several days held at gunpoint! I'd say that their lives had long since been endangered!It was only this Monday that Obama finally said some harsh criticism about Iran, after receiving much criticism himself about it from both sides of the aisle. Meanwhile, it didn't take long at all for Clinton to call out Milosevic's re-election scam for what it was.I wouldn't say Obama is "weak." Too early to tell. Yet the guy obviously thinks he can talk (or ignore) his way through anything. Given such a propensity, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would give up Sam to the Decepticons.And who knows? Maybe Dubya really does like ding dongs.
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I'm not bleeding heart you douche , I'm just saying it clear what Bay is trying to convey . I don't recall seeing bush in transformers but my point is Bay didn't go out of his way to make Him look weak and more then willing to banish the auto-bots and submit to the decepticons .
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Jun 25, 2009 12:17:59 PM CDT
It aint racist y'all jes a buncha lemming pussy's!
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
So Harold sez its racist and all y'all jes nod ur pointy heads and agree.
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But please make sure you click our ROTF banner so we get moneys from Paramount. Watch the movie or don't, but for the love of Fuck don't make your decision based on this soapboxing wannabe activist bullshit.
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do this weekend. Watch some old 30's gangster films to get ready for Public Enemies. Forget the newest Spielberg/Bay abortion.
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I'm sitting here jumping back and forth from AICN to Murphy's board just like back in the golden days of TF1, we need Phategod here immediately, especially if ChazMom is who I think it is. This is getting fun again!
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Or CharlesThomasMathewsMom or whatever. SInce you're so tuned into what makes one a racist and what doesn't, I have to ask... What are your thoughts of Judge Sotomayor?
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Jun 25, 2009 12:20:25 PM CDT
CharlesThomasMathewsMom, PWNED BY SUPERNOVA AKA JIMMY HATCHER?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
That inbred West Virginian faggot who went crying to his lawyer when I was being mean to him? Not to mention that he shut down registration at The Scorched-Planet beause of my work. So who won exactly? You don't even have the balls to post under your SP name which shows what a little bitch you are. When I post it's under a variation of CreepyThinMan so you know exactly who you're talking to while you hide behind a dozen proxies you massive homo cunt.
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Jun 25, 2009 12:20:54 PM CDT
He was trying to tell the movie audience should buy Ding Dongs
by mitortilla
cuz the president likes 'em.
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I really don't care what you think of Obama's weakness or competence, i don't care for the majority of American politicians to began with, (Mark Sanford? another Republican family values hypocrite. I don't want anyone stupid political views in a dumb action movie period.
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I saw the movie with my son. It did not change my life for better or worse. We had a great time looking at the robots turning into cars and motorcycles and airplanes. We even laughed at the jokes. Michael Bay isn't trying to win an Oscar or a NAACP Image Award. He makes movies that go KABOOM. By now, you should know that before you buy your ticket. The theater was sold out and in the neighborhood I live in (Central Florida) the crowd was about 50% white and the rest black and hispanic. Some of the biggest laughs to be had were from the minorites laughing at the Autobot twins. I am a grown-ass man and will spend my money on anything I please. I am also beyond sick of people being "offended" because they don't agree with someone's "art" (yes, used loosely for a Bay movie). Our nation needs to grow a new backbone. We spend so much time worrying about hurting feelings that we are distracted from real issues and problems. You know, I didn't even think the movie was that fantastic but I think I am going to make a point to pay for a ticket for it everytime I go to the movies this summer - regardless of what I am seeing - just to add to the box office receipts. Finally, if you hate it all that much here is an idea: stand your fat living-at-home asses up our of your computer chair and go to film school and get a job in the industry or write and sell a script to a movie studio. Then continue to work your way up until you get to direct your own movie so you can stop bitching. Christ, what a bunch of little girls some of you are.
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"I'm not bleeding heart you douche"Right. You're a biased bleeding heart.
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Don Murphy has a picture of LXG in his background, I would've shot myself in the head if I had produced that shit.
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http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090623/REVIEWS/906239997
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Double Dragon: The Movie
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
And the Disturbingly Gross Shoot 'Em Up
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He gave money to that exploitative pedophile of a "director" called Larry Murphy for Bully.
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a funny thing happened back when Matrix 2 came out. I saw it and thought it sucked and couldn't understand why people liked it. It was almost like they were caught up in a mass cult mind hypnosis that it was cool in some way. At the same time Terminator 3 surprisingly entertained me (I was expecting a piece of shit). It had great action scenes and a surprisingly acidic sense of humor with regards to referencing and destroying all the cheeseball pandering cliches invented by the first two Terminator films. It also had an emotional hard core scifi ending of doom and loneliness which I loved. Who would have expected a deep feeling out of a terminator movie? I mean these movies have cheesy skull faced robots (But Cameron has always had the worst derivative taste in concepts and styles) But, to my puzzlement, everyone condemned Terminator 3 and loved Matrix 2. I made up a theory that people don't really know what they are feeling when they view a movie that has mass expectation or hype. They feed off of mass perception which can really go so far off the truth, it's like watching a bunch of cultists put on black tennis shoes and kill themselves.
In the case of Tranformers 1, I absolutely went in expecting something fun, but aside from the part where Megan Fox checked his engine, I was actually irritated by EVERYTHING including the orange skin/blue background look. The story was crap and didn't make me feel nostalgic, excited, or even have a sense of wonder. Okay, the effects were good, but everything else cancelled out the entertainment value of ILM's work. Yet... everyone said they loved it. I felt in my heart that deep in their mind they hated it, but like the Matrix 2, their true emotions would be redirected at the next one (just like everyone hated Matrix 3 which was much better than Matrix 2 and not deserved of the condemnation that should have hit Matrix 2)
So now I think I was right. Everyone is hating this new Transformers, and I think they are just applying their true submerged feelings that should have come out the first time around. I'm willing to bet I will even like this one better than the first one. That it IS better. Well... maybe it is shitty (I haven't seen it yet), but my point is... the first one was a horrible piece of shit that I could barely sit through! Why couldn't everyone see that back when it came out?????????? -
"I really don't care what you think of Obama's weakness or competence"I wrote that it's too early to tell if Obama is weak and all you take away from that is that I claimed he's weak? You really are an Obot aren't you?"Mark Sanford? another Republican family values hypocrite"Funny. I was under the impression that infidelity was off the table once a sitting president got away with a blow job. "That's his business" was all I heard from hypocrites like you, over and over. What -- I should vote Democrat simply because they don't suggest that people should make an attempt to keep it in their pants?"I don't want anyone stupid political views in a dumb action movie period."And I don't want stupid political views in a TB about a dumb action movie. So why do you lefties keep bringing new material to the table?
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No you wrong again and i want to end this now because i don't want to get into a bullshit Left/Right argument on a movie site forum. I support neither party since i fell the majority of both party's care little about the American people and that won't change till we do something about it, and 2012 if nothing changes in this country i will be the first to say Obama d''t get the job done and want make excuses or blame Bush still. Without my biggest problem with Transformers two was the horrible humor, Bay doesn't know whats funny and goes to the gutter right away which delights the white trash, black trash, and whatever other subhuman group around.
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Chaz1978, what did you do?
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He doesn't give a fuck about telling great stories anymore. Lazy fare like WAR OF THE WORLDS and INDY 4 are proof enough of that.
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To bad the time you spend trolling message boards created by inbred West Virginian faggots wasn't spent on making some quality movies. How did you end up being Jane Hamshers Producing partner anyway? It's obvious that you never got a piece of that as I doubt that she goes for corpulent corpulent faggots which is why you had to settle for that fucking ugly dog faced whore you married who's no doubt pandering to your needs by shitting in your mouth on a daily basis because, hey, you are what you eat.
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It doesn't bother me if he's fucking another woman, put Democrats don't push their high morality and how christian they are in everyone's face.
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Jun 25, 2009 12:39:18 PM CDT
Hairy Nutsack, MURPHY'S SCREAMING AT HIS COMPUTER BECAUSE....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
A lowly burger flipper can get the better of him HAHAHAHA!!!
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Have been either embarassing, or average at best. He's straying into George Lucas quality at this point.
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He has always been my Favorite director but honestly besides Band of Brothers I'm not to high on anything he has done since the 90's. I can't think of one film he has done this decade that is classic, Indy 4 was just a disgrace Lucas had his greasy paws all over that one. Put the Pacifc sure does look good
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cuz it must suck having a pedophile for a brother.
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Murphy's board is back up and...yep the TF banner ads are still churning away on AICN. Murphy's influence is staggering in its ineffectualness, eh ChazMom?
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our methods have now become unsound. Are our methods unsound? Don Murphy... are you an assassin? Seriously, though, this is descending into complete nuttiness... I love it.
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...is a classic, as far as I'm concerned. I love CATCH ME IF YOU CAN but I wouldn't claim greatness. MUNICH is near great.
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I thought it had some well done suspense scenes, but everything else just didn't work. The ideas behind the film were sound, but Spielberg's execution was not. The sex scene at the end is maybe one of the most unintentionally laughable things Spielberg has ever committed to film.
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.. I felt like Bana was fucking ME!
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Jun 25, 2009 12:56:50 PM CDT
Philvis, "liberal political messages" YOU MEAN LIKE…..
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Peace, understanding and love for your fellow human beings while working together towards a better future for every child, woman and man? Fuck that shit, right? Rather then support Iranian's and their political uprising we should just "BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN" like that senile, war mongering, fifth from last graduating, five airplane crashing piece of shit John McCain right? You make me sick.
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My favorite show (next to LOST) of this last year. Great, great stuff. Loved the twist about Walter's son. Loved the multi-dimensional stuff. Fantastic, just awesome. Yeah I enjoyed Star Trek, but FRINGE was close to my heart. Some stellar, heartbreaking performances from John Noble there as well. Please include more emotional drama involving him so he can show that range as an actor (and of course also serve the story). He got a little kookier towards the end, but I guess thats fine. A friend of mine in the business said Fringe is returning but with a much smaller budget... is that true? I don't get it.. because you guys had the #1 new show amongst the advertiser's coveted 18-49. How come show's like Supernatural seem to be getting more money.. or is it just me. Anyways, LOVE Fringe. Looking forward to season2!
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Spielberg hit it way out of the park with that one, for my money.
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I agree with you about the sex scene. All of my other problems with the film stem from the screenplay. Overall, I though the direction was pretty stellar. If he brought the same kind of energy found in both MUNICH and MINORITY REPORT, INDY 4 may have turned out differently.
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thanks to him at least we didn't have any dinobots.
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I have said it before John McCain is no hero, he's a hot head who couldn't fly worth shit and got places because his daddy and granddaddy where admirals. He knows nothing about leading men into battle if you want the definition of a true war hero look up major Richard winters.
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Opus. It probably didn't even have to be released in theaters considering how much money was made off of product placement alone.
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I was wondering when the Red Neck Autobots would show up.
The problem with the Twin Bots begins with the deceiving images of mainstream youth marketing. The Twin Bots caricatures, including the Don Imus "nappy headed hoes" comment, is an ancillary reflection with what is truly wrong with youth marketing in pop-culture. These stereotypes are amplified through the heavy rotation of mindless music videos and buffoonish television programming. I personally have issues with today's rappers who claim to be Hip Hop when they are not. I myself have issues with clowns like Lil Wayne and Rick Ross because the image they promote is a stereotype of the Hip Hop culture. I can say this because I am from the Hip Hop culture since the late 1970s, yet I am happy to say they do not represent me as an individual.
Lack of culture is the initial problem in popular media. The "corporate suits" say what they produce is what people want which is one of the biggest cop outs in business. An example is: If you raise a whole generation on Olive Garden how the hell will they ever know real Italian cuisine? Italian cuisine comes from real Italian culture in general. Simple math right?
Let's not continue to complain. Let's act responsibly. Let's understand mainstream marketing and promotion:
"The more dumbed down the information is for merchandising, the wider the audience to garner appeal."
With the absence of culture and humanism, that is the formula. I ask all of you to look at the largest corporations that make this the most acceptable: Viacom and Clear Channel. They are the rivers who allow this form of pop-culture marketing to grab a larger audience for advertising dollars. They make revenue off of corporate sponsors to satisfy the profitable promises made to every pocket who invests in them; the shareholder To be responsible we must not support their advertising sponsors.
All we have to do is boycott and protest the brands that advertise on their outlets. If Burger King is advertising on a Viacom outlet then do not buy a Whopper, AND write a letter to the corporation's executive marketing department, CEO, and CFO of Burger King's corporate entity. They will begin to tell Viacom, Clear Channel, and the Recording Industry what to do because they are their customers. That is it.
Channel your anger by not buying merchandise, food, and products from their sponsors. Companies make money from their brand image and spend as much to keep it clean. Denny's is still trying to shake off its history of racial discrimination to customers. Tell why you refuse to buy their products in letters and emails.
For starters, Viacom owns the following networks, studios, and media outlets. I will not look up Clear Channel because you need to make this effort. But for starters, one of Viacom's companies is Paramount Pictures who are the makers of Transformers 1 and 2.
BET Networks
MTV Networks
MTV Films
VH1
Spike TV
ATOM Films
Addicting Games
CMT
Comedy Central
Game Trailers
Harmonix
LOGO
Neo Pets
Nickelodeon
Nick at Nite
Nickolodeon Movies
Noggin
Parents Connect
Quizilla
Rhapsody
Shockwave
The N
TV Land
Virtual Worlds
X Fire
Home Entertainment
Paramount Pictures
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Too bad he continues to breathe human air.
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Ah yes, I definitely remember those early TRANSFORMERS Talkbacks with Don Murphy and his "Stooges". I was amongst the mighty AICN Talkbackers who held their ground against the pathetic attacks made by Donny "Two Chins" and his messageboard minions.If memory serves, the last operative of that bunch was, "FartGod TheIRSTard" (or something to that effect). He made PhateGod his chosen target as there appeared to be some bad blood carried over from the various TFers related forums. I have no idea whether it was ever confirmed that IRSTard was actually Don Murphy.For a guy who claims to hate AICN and carry a personal vendetta against Harry Knowles, Don Murphy sure does pay a lot of attention to this place.
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Where we get trapped with goofy Tim Robbins for half an hour, with aliens that inexplicably come lurking around like velociraptors and end up getting in a fight with a bicycle? And what about the idea that these huge alien walkers were left under the streets of New Jersey 1,000,000 years ago - for some unexplained but no doubt nonsensical reason - and were never discovered by the public works commission when they were building roads and sewers? And how about the fact that he did nothing to fix the biggest hole in Wells' original story - the notion that highly advanced interstellar travelers would expose themselves to an environment that they clearly haven't studied well enough to recognize hostile organisms that could kill them. Don't they have a button they can push that will run an analysis? At least Wells has the excuse that he wrote the story over a century ago. Spielberg just doesn't care about plot logic, any more than Bay does. It's all about giving the audience a big wallet-lightening "WOW", whether it makes any sense or not. Despite a couple of well-crafted action sequences and some great visual and sound effects, WOTW is one of the stupidest things Spielberg has ever put his name on.
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Looks like Paramount has pulled the ads from this fucking wasteland after the FATMAN called for a boycott. Nice work...since the film had a $60m opening day. I am Hugh G Rekshun, and I call on anyone with a club to beat some fanboy ass. This is my final post on this rancid fucking cesspool. Now if you dicks would kindly crawl into a mass grave and die, my day will be complete.
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Jun 25, 2009 1:25:24 PM CDT
Bladernner79, IVE READ EVERYTHING ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN AND...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He’s another George W. Bush. A spoilt, over privileged dirtbag who coasted through life on his family name and never achieved anything on his own. War Hero? HA!. He was an incompetent fuckup and one of the luckiest cunts on Earth. He survived five plane crashes including the one that got him captured in Nam. He was lucky enough to survive Nam and come home only to dump his wife and marry a bimbo who was 18 years younger then him and the heiress to a fortune. Like I said LUCKY. He was also lucky enough to avoid prison as one of the Keating 5. He only went into politics because he knew he was never going to out do his Daddy and Granddaddy which is the only reason why he wanted to be President. It’s always the same thing with people like him and GWB. Always trying to compete with their Fathers because of the inadequacies they feel and the knowledge that they are worthless human beings with nothing to contribute to the world. Unlike me. I flip burgers!
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And then magically appearing at Grandma and Grandpas.
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I rarely post on here but had to log in just to say...kill yourself you troll.
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There is no way that could should have survived that. I also forgot that the aliens cause an electromagnetic pulse that will make an airplane fall straight down out of the sky (as if it were not moving at hundreds of miles per hour), but they can walk over to an abandoned news van right next to the wreckage and watch TV.
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The fact is the Democrats took the high road mainly because they didnt need to a call him on his "service" . All you need to know about the man is he never led men into battle and knows nothing of miltary strategy he got shot down or crashed because he was a garbage pilot and a hot head which is not the the temperment you want as a fighter pilot. If John Mccain was the pilot of that plane that went down in the hudson river everyone would have been dead. He is no hero nevery will be.
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*** crickets chirping ***
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Jun 25, 2009 1:38:45 PM CDT
SLY_STALLONES_COCK_VEIN, STICK AN AIR PUMP IN YOUR URETHRA!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
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Yep Don sure influenced those Paramount guys about those ads that are running RIGHT NOW as I write this on the AICN front page.
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was it good, well no it was complete and utter shite, but its still for some strange reason quite entertaining. I would not watch it again but its not the worst film I've seen this year.
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Jun 25, 2009 1:47:18 PM CDT
If more true movie fans tried to boycott more mindless entertain
by mitortilla
We would ave more quality films, music, t.v.
Why does anybody think we TB's care they take TF advertising out of the site? its not like they pay us to be bitter, angry haters. -
I haven't seen any ads for the movie itself on here today, only for mechandise from another company. I know they WERE on here, but after multiple page views and refreshes...nada. Not that it matters, there seems to be very few people here who fully understand how irrelevant their opinions are.
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It doesn't matter if you hate it.
It doesn't matter if you love it.
It doesn't matter if you hate Bay
It doesn't matter how fucked up the script is ( There was a script? )
It doesn't matter that they turned the autobots into horrendously laughable caricatures.
It JUST doesn't FUCKING matter
The following is ALL that matters to the the studios and to the "creative" team behind the movie
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I sure hope you treat your customers at Blockbuster better than you act on here. Rant about intolerance, racism, etc., and then continue to spit fire and brimstone. Gotta love a hypocrite!
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I'll be making a similar choice this weekend, but instead of 30s gangster I'm going to rewatch Heat to prepare for the power of Michael Mann.
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... CHeesy?
Just cannot agree with any of that, and your comments go to prove, once again, that people are different and can have wildly different reactions to things. T3 was a very average movie with some awful, awful movie that's an insult to the 1st two. I'm still shuddering at the ridiculous notion that the TX (or whatever she was) could control ALL machines. O.K but control of a car doesn't suddenly give a car, levers and pistons or whatever else it would need to DRIVE itself??? That's telekinesis’.
The Matrix parts 2 and 3 were both poor films, with a very small number of redeeming features. I don't know which was worse than the other, Maybe cat shit smells better than dog shit, but I have no desire to find out.
I don't get why people read posts on sites like this and take the view that "everybody" hates this or that movie. It aint true. Transformers was a massively popular movie that a small, but very loud, minority disliked. The money this movie makes in its 1st ten days or so will confirm that. It has nothing to do with whether or not people like THIS movie that we'll find out when it's into its 3rd and 4th weeks. That's what showed that "everyone" loved Star Trek, not the negative comments on sites like this the $140m plus that it made after its 1st $100m is down to good word of mouth and repeat views. Transformers HAD that, it remains to be seen if Transformers 2 will. I have a feeling it will, but that doesn't make the people who like it idiots, and all of us hyper intelligent.
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Jun 25, 2009 2:06:57 PM CDT
Please people, don't waste your money on this piece of shit
by kief_ledger
the only way this is going to stop is if we stop paying for it. We've tolerated Bay's shitty movies (ok, I'll give The Rock a pass) for far too long. We have the power. WOLVERINES!!!!!!!
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I watched Heat again a couple of weeks back.
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I watched it last night with my three sons. They loved it, but couldn't understand why I didn't.Is it full of action? - Yes. Is it beautiful? - Yes. Does it have a great story? - Not so much. Are there as many robots as Baysplosion said there would be? - Yes.So why did I dislike it? - None of the 2nd string Transformers had a decent introduction or a chance to say much. The only reason I knew some of the names was looking at the toys ahead of time and reading news from this site.I'm a fan of the original animated series - is it perfect? - No. But almost every episode dealt with the Transformers themselves. How about seeing more of Megatron talking with Decepticons (at least he spoke more than a sentence to Starscream this time). Maybe Prime could actually lead a large group of Autobots vs. a large group of Decepticons? How about 'meeting' some of the new Transformers? Maybe state their name, show of a move or two, and have them speak?
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Jun 25, 2009 2:18:34 PM CDT
there seems to be very few people here who fully understand how
by son_of_ebert
"there seems to be very few people here who fully understand how irrelevant their opinions are"As long as you believe you have no say you won't. If you look back through history you will see that those who seek to empower the individual are persecuted (thrown in jail, killed, etc.)Look what happened to Gandhi. Look what happened to Martin Luther King Jr. Look at what is going on in Iran right now. As long as you believe you have no voice you will cease to speak and then you truly will have no voice.rant complete.. dick and fart jokes may continue..
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Why show new Transformers that are killed within three minutes or less?Soundwave = The most underutilized Transformer. I loved Soundwave in the cartoon. This movie just left him in orbit (pun intended).Scorponok = Coward? He hides throughout the entire Egyptian fight, until the very end? WTF?Wheelie = Annoying. He was annoying in the cartoon too, but at least he wasn't a toy Decepticon tortured into becoming an Autobot.Optimus = Brutal and vengeful? It was disturbing to see Optimus ruthlessly kill a wounded Decepticon - IMHO this was way out of character.The Twins = Enough has been said. They should never have been written anywhere.
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That sounds awesome.
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for the twins.
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Yeah, your posting on a talkback on a substandard website about a movie that will have no impact beyond the next 3 months certainly entitles you to equate yourself to Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. You pretty much proved my point.
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There is precedent in the G1 canon imho. Optimus would have killed Megatron at the end of the Autobot City battle if Hot Rod had not fucked everything up. He had after all just walked over and picked up his huge hand-cannon.
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There's just nothing I can do. Crap wins again and again. My best friend who I grew up with loving Sam Raimi just emailed me. His kid can't wait to see "Transformers 2." He's also taken him to see "Night at the Museum 2." He did get to see "Up," but only because the dog looked funny, and they ended up thinking it was too sad. This same friend skipped seeing "Drag Me to Hell" in the theater because he just doesn't have time to see anything the kid can't see. Why? Why? Why? Why are children who haven't developed critical tastes yet absolutely in charge of what films succeed or fail? Nobody is really going to actually like "Transformers 2" but everyone is going to see it in droves to the tune of $400 million, but no one is willing to risk 6 bucks on something like "Drag Me to Hell" because they know the budget wasn't $200 million. "Gotta have the graphics, dog," or something like that. This pattern cements the fact that more films like "Transformers 2" will get made and less original films will be risked by Hollywood. Why have we become a society of morons? And more importantly, why are we letting our kids decide what we see and letting them become the next generation of morons? When did "big and dumb" become what we will pay for? If it ain't big and dumb, we'll wait for cable. Thank God the occasional gem slips out of Hollywood in the Summer (see "Iron Man") that can be big and fun without being insulting to anyone over 10 years old. Still, it's a dark time for film fans. Film fans amd film geeks don't matter anymore. Joe Walmart and his rug rats are the only ones Hollywood cares about.
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....and just like that they're already writing Transformers 3!
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Jun 25, 2009 2:55:53 PM CDT
FIlms have gone crap weve just had a crap summer for films
by sheepshagger
Last summer gave us three genuine genre classics in Dark Knight, Iron Man and Hellboy 2. Im disappointed that the powers that be didnt take note of this but maybe thats because all of this summers films had been greenlighted. Summer 2008 was a classic. This year pales in comparison.
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Because all that was was a piece complaining about robots using vulgar and obscene language chock full of vulgar and obscene language.
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Jun 25, 2009 3:01:45 PM CDT
why can't a TRANSFORMER movie just be about TRANSFORMERS??
by famouseccles
Hollywood is full of assholes
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^ Oh look another Sam Raimi fan who thinks Drag Me To Hell was good. Show me one person who is not a Raimi fanboy who enjoyed that movie. Pretentious fucks!
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she is hot
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Hey it is what it is. I have to agree with the majority of exit pollers (91%) who say they like this as well or more than the first one (I like it more). Hardly anyone likes everything in any movie, so you go for what you do like. Dark Knight was only good because of Heath, the rest of it was boring. Iron Man was the better movie, Heath the better actor. Transformers 2 delivers what it promises. Drag Me To Hell delivered what it promised (I saw it 3 times).
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I really have to laugh at people who are critical of Prime "executing" the Decepticons. Are people really so full of flower power and love that they forget something so simple and basic as the fact that these robots are at war with each other...to the death?
A Vietnam vet told me something I'll never forget. He loved Full Metal Jacket right until the part where they stood around wrestling with their consciences over if they should kill the sniper girl or not. He said you can't afford to have a "conscience" when facing an enemy that will without question pick up a gun and kill you or your comrades if given the chance. You do your job, you kill the enemy. War makes you very pragmatic. (interesting side note, the vet in question was none other than the great Tucker Smallwood)
Now relating that to this movie, since apparently any character can come back to life at will, such as Scorponok who was burnt into oblivion in TF1 (seriously WTF?), then of course Prime has to literally rip his enemies to shreads or they will do the same to him and/or his comrades.
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LOL. Other than out of character the 'execution' is kinda cool.Nice pick-up on G1 'near-execution' I forgot about that. The only thing I'd say in defense is that Prime and Megatron had a long history at that point, so I could buy it. Also prime might have changed his mind at the last minute. We'll never know.
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Jun 25, 2009 3:16:24 PM CDT
FlandersBum, WHO YOU WANTED TO HAVE A BEER WITH GWB…
by charlesthomasmathews1978
And voted for him which is how you helped cause a world wide economic collapse while also being responsible for the deaths of 3,000 people in 9/11, 5,000 American soldiers in a war for oil not to mention the 2000 killed in NO while GWB and McCain were eating birthday cake. There's a pace in Hell for people like you who help rack up those type of numbers.
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Yes. I agree with Tucker Smallwood. I was more or less commenting on the character of Prime - kind of a What Would Optimus Prime Do? Hey that's gonna be my new T-shirt! WWOPD?
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http://www.theonion.com/content/news/ michael_bay_signs_50m_ deal_to_fuck (remove spaces)
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...I think Harry and other reviewers I've seen could use this piece of wisdom from David Cross.
From someone who's chummy with the likes of Eli Roth & Quentin Tarantino, and who I've attended countless films of unjustifiable racism, sexism, gore & all-around-fucked-up-shit, I figured you'd be the last person to complain about this movie being racist. But holy shit you did! And then you said you weren't trying to be PC, but whether you're trying to or not, YOU ARE! Making a robot have a gold tooth and making him talk in street slang isn't bein' fuckin' racist, just like a bunch of white kids eating watermelon and fried chicken on Juneteenth is being fuckin racist. Sure, it's fulfilling stereoptypes about these races, making them not fully realized characters in the process but instead carictures, but there's no hate in those twins. It's just stupid comic relief characters that I agree isn't that necessary. The whole fuckin' thing isn't that neccessary. Which is why Harry needs to go on a much-needed philosophical debate within himself on the nature of movies and stories within them. What the hell is necessary in a film? Obviously people go to them to hear great stories. But on the flip-side, I watch certain movies to just see what crazy shit they can put on screen, with all context be damned. And Harry I would have assumed would be the greatest champion of this since conceit. But no, for this movie, and others, he's a hypocrit, whom I still love, but a hypocrit. Transformers 2 DOES have some of the most badass robot action/complete and utter carnage sequences I've ever seen committed to shitty computer-generated film. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM TO REBUILD SHANGAI?! But by the end you're so exhausted and you don't give a shit about it anymore, magically it seems, since I had so much fun in teh first hour and a half, but yeahm, by the end I heard a lopt of groans. Whatever. I can put it in percpective. But this racist thing has got to go. Quit being scared of stereotypes. If there's anythign we've learned from South Park, Mr.Show, the Simpsons, Seinfeld and every other uber-popular satirical dark comedy in the past twenty five years, it's that you shouldn't shy away from these traits that are found threaded through each race. See em head on and let's all have a good laugh at em and one day we'll tell our kids how stupid we used to be. But for god's sake Harry, that Obama comment was retarded.
Let me know if my logic is fucked up
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Just watched it again yesterday. He escapes underground and just loses his tail.
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All bow before the might of Tucker Smallwood, Captain of the U.S.S. Saratoga, and a damn fine American!
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Jun 25, 2009 3:24:18 PM CDT
ORCI/KURTZMAN ADMIT THE TWINS ARE RACIST AND....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Throw Bay right under the fucking bus. Article here....remember to remove spaces... http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/orci-and-kurtzman-respond-to-claims-of-racism-in-transformers-2.php
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If you look up "pretty, superficial, brain dead icon" in your Funk & Wagnall's, I'm pretty sure there's a picture of Sarah Palin next to it. Seriously - the Republicans haven't put up anybody worth voting for in decades. Maybe McCain for about a millisecond in 2000 - before he sold his soul to keep his Senate seat - but other than that, they've cornered the market on empty, brainless mouthpieces for Big Business and the Christian Right.
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just like a bunch of white kids eating watermelon and fried chicken on Juneteenth ISN'T being fuckin racist.
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With that title, did anyone think that would be good. Of course this site loved it.
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Didn't they hit Scorponok with an aerial bombardment of the fire bomb thingies? I could swear I remember him squirming around in the sand as he disintegrated in fire.
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With that title, did anyone think that would be good. Of course this site loved it.
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They said,
Kurtzman: I wasn’t thrilled. I certainly wasn’t thrilled.
Orci: Yeah, same reaction. I’m not easily offended, but when I saw it, I thought, ‘Someone’s gonna write about that.’”
Please tell me where they said it was racist? If your mom ever came down to the basement and caught you typing one of your hate filled rants, I'm sure you would lose internet privaleges for the week.
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No, he just lays on his back damaged for a bit and then digs under the sand. His tail is the only thing than falls off. It's hard to see through the smoke, but he clearly escapes. Like I said, I just watched it yesterday.
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But Harry loves some things way too much and see hates other things way too much. There seems to be something else going on to his motivation. I'm just saying.
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Agree 100%. Which is one of the reasons why I now only go to this site once in a blue moon.
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...and here's why: it's more fun.
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Terminator Salvation or Transformers. I have not seen either, but from the impressions that I get from the trailers and fan reaction, I assume that Transformers is the winner of the worst film of the year. Anyone else have opinions on this??
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Jun 25, 2009 3:40:09 PM CDT
BAY/ORCI/KURTZMAN ANNOUNCE REMAKE OF THE COLOR PURPLE....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Now with spinning camera shots, slow motion, giant explosions, photorealistic CGI in 3D and hot lesbian sex between Celie (now played by Rihanna) and Shug Avery (Beyonce) while Celie’s abusive husband Albert (originally played by the man who can’t catch a cab, Danny Glover) will now be played by Chris Brown who will teach Ceilie about slavery by beating her ass twice a week. The soundtrack will feature N.W.A., 2 Live Crew and Public Enemy and will open next year on Martin Luther King, Jr.’s birthday. Happy Kwanzaa motherfuckers!!!
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Jun 25, 2009 3:40:22 PM CDT
HEY DUMMYS, TRANSFORMERS HAS BEEN RACIST SINCE G1
by the green gargantua
Seriously what are you even talking about?
Including the fucking Yin Yang Twins in this movie is hardly introducing something new. Transformers is a racist fucking show dude.
Let us not forget G1 "Jazz" as played by Skatman Cruthers. Jazz was described by "Star", the black robot activist from Disney"s "The Black Hole" as a "house niggah uncle Tomobot"
Having re-viewed some of that material I so loved in my childhood, I tend to agree.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfhVPWl-taY)
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Foul mouthed, racist, and misogynistic? Isn't James Bond misogynistic? Aren't many films inadvertently racist? I actually respect the fact that this film was so obvious about it unlike most other films. And this is coming from someone who is actually Black.
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I have to wonder if it has anything to do with being married to a woman who isn't white? I mean, doesn't Ebert give nearly every Afro-centric film an unconditional thumbs-up? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that could explain why Harry is suddenly getting all PC about a Michael Bay movie.
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Transformers 2 is in no way a "good film". But it is a damn good 2.5 hours of shit blowing up. It tries to be nothing more than it is, a stupid action film. Go in with that in mind and you should enjoy it, as I did. T4, on the other hand, is a stupid action film that doesn't know it is a stupid action film, which is why I did not like it. T4 also has some of the most bland and forgettable characters I have ever seen. And that's EVERY character in the film. Say what you want about the twins, but at least you feel something for them, whether it be disgust or whatever.
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Jun 25, 2009 3:50:13 PM CDT
Philvis, THEY WERE RESPONDING TO THE CHARGES OF RACISM....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Acknowledging that those characters were racially offensive stereotypes since it is blatantly obvious to anyone and that it has been brought up repeatedly in reviews across the country. How brave of them to speak up on the eve of the premiere after this movie has been in post-production for, what, a year and their paychecks have cleared. They claim it was Bay’s idea so I‘m sure they’ll refuse to do Transformers 3 because of Bay’s blatant racism, right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Megatron had just killed many Autobots. It looked to me like Prime would have killed every Decepticon he could get his hands on if Hot Rod hadn't fucked it all up. That movie was so awesome for how ruthlessly it offed characters in the first act.
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I meant that Terminator 3 was better than Matrix 2, and Matrix 3 was better than Matrix 2. All in all, the entire Terminator franchise never excited me in the first place... something about James Cameron is not visionary to me... his work has always seemed like movies of the week (movies that are cliche and formulaic that mimic past works that were much more startling or original) but he does have decent effects post ALIENS (yes, I'm an original A L I E N junkie, and no very respectful of Cameron's sequel).
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He talked in rap like a black dude. Where was all the hype back then?
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So because a stereotype was used, it is considered racist? Give me a break. That means Jamie Kennedy was being racist in his Malibu's Most Wanted movie and that Dave Chappell is racist on every single one of his shows. I'm sure the $500 million it makes domestically will resonate clearly how racist everyone in America thinks it is. You PC people and your feelings getting hurt has made our country a bunch of pansies.
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That only racist see racism or racial insensitivity in this movie. Because they are robots, there is no way they should be considered as representing people of a certain race.
Glad to know, So I guess when Southern bigots in the 1910-1960s used to use images of monkeys, only people who were actually racist would possibly think they were referring to black people huh? Because you know, they are two totally different species so no way should infer that one is meant to represent the other.
These might not have been intentionally offensive images, that is open to debate, but to say that the people who find them offensive are somehow the bigots is ridiculous. It isn't like there hasn't been decades of using similar behaviors to represent black people in a derogatory manner. It isn't like we are making this up in a vacuum. -
you know, kets face it. niggers are just that. they were damn jungle bunnys until the white man came and domesticated them. in many ways slavery was a huge favor for them in the long run. so now when i hear a coon or a porch monkey sympathizer, i just want to say get over it. we brought them to this country and after a period of adjustment they were given limited means to succeed. how do they repay us? by being responsible for the majority of the crime in the U.S. and bringing down social standards in areas they populate. and on a final note, TF;2 was really horrible.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:05:35 PM CDT
Mosquito March - Agreed, but that doesn't change the fact that..
by flandersbum
...Obama is overrated, all-flash-no-substance, heavily scripted, disapointing, promises the moon and delivers little, empty, pretty to look at, sometimes obnoxious, and yet still popular with the brain dead masses of the world person. EXACTLY like Transformers 2! So my comparison still stands. And yes, the Republicans are currently no better, so we're all basically screwed at the moment.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:06:13 PM CDT
the Green Gargantua, SCATMAN CROTHERS VOICED JAZZ BUT…..
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He was never overtly portrayed as an African American nor was there anything in his dialogue as offensive as "we don't do much reading" nor was he designed to have the physical characteristics of a monkey. I think Spielberg had Bay was on a tighter leash during the first movie otherwise Jazz would have been seen eating an energon cube that looks like a watermelon before applying for welfare.
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Now you will know why you fear the night. Esspecially the tool who said he's going to buy a ticket to "Transformers 2" every time he goes to a movie this summer just to boost its insane box-office total and annoy AICN talkbackers who enjoy good film making. That guy is going to the Hell of Upside Down Stephen Sommers and Bret Ratner Underwater Double Features.
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A - Jamie Kennedy was mocking a white guy who only sees black culture as being hip hop. It was a dig at white guys desire TO CARICATURE black people and living by that CARICATURE.
B - Dave Chappelle is black. As the great George Carlin said "A black guy can call another black guy 'nigger'. Why. Because they are both 'nggers'.' Meaning, it is hard to offend someone when you are referring to yourself at the same time.
There is a difference between parody of peoples stereotypical views of another minority group, making fun of your own group, and mocking/insulting a group you don't belong too.
By the way, people who complain about PC usually seem to mean they are upset that they can't say nigger and kike jokes anymore without people getting upset. -
Jun 25, 2009 4:11:00 PM CDT
Wow .....so now it's the cartoons fault........
by trannyformers_apologist
Damn that racist cartoon.....DAMN YOU TO HELL!
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Never in a million years would I think Scatman's portrayal of Jazz was racist in any way. Scatman wasn't playing a black character or caricature or anything except himself. It wasn't a put on, except for the robot related dialogue Jazz WAS Scatman Crothers.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:11:44 PM CDT
Comparing The Twins to Dave Chappell and Blazing Saddles
by continentalop
Is the same as comparing The Accused to I Spit On Your Grave. "Hey, they're both about rape..."
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I wonder if people who saw that Fanboys movie was just as offended by Harry's bad acting and irrelevance to the film as he was to the 'racist' robots being included in TF2?
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Do you remember that scene from Crash where this black actor wants to play a smart guy and Tony Danza tells the Director who's the boss and that the black actor should play the dumb black guy and the director obliges?
Scatman Crothers' name sounds like a Scooby Doo Villain.
PERIOD.
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when the site is closed?
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Thanks for the education on stereotyping and when it is and isn't acceptable. Did you hear the one about the 3 caucasion guys that walked into the bar? Don't worry, I can tell this joke.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:20:34 PM CDT
I BELIEVE IN BEING AN EQUAL OPPERTUNITY OFFENDER SO....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
How about this. In the next one we have, as I said before, a greedy, big nosed robot with a New York Jewish accent? A robot with squinty eyes and buck teeth that speaks in broken English and can’t pronounce R’s? A robot that doesn’t like to wash and is lazy with a Mexican accent? A fat robot with ADD to represent the US? How about a limp wristed gay robot with a lisp that hit’s on all the Autobot? How about one that’s dumb with a Polish accent? Or a snobby one that sounds French? Give Megatron a German accent while were at it.
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who gives a damn if its a hip hop caricature or urban stereotyping. This is the reason why people are talking about it, the minstrel show thing and the we don't do much reading line. If the robots had said: we don't do much symbol readin' we can't read those damn symbols foo. those symbols are very old school. It wouldn't have been so suspicious.
Now, I'm keeping my opinion to myself. But I feel this TB is going around in circles.
I have felt some racism in Bays films before, felt it. In the first one I remember turning to my gf and saying what the fuck?! was that necessary!? a couple of times about the latino soldier's dialogue.
Be it as it may, if Bay is indeed a racist, he has free speech. The fact that makes me weary is if somebody is trying to hide such crap in children's movies. Which I think is unlikely.
The Republican Agenda is evident in many of Bay's films: You just have to see Armageddon when bruce willis is hitting golf balls at the Greenpeace folk, etc. etc. etc. -
You want to stereotype, go ahead. I ain't gonna stop you. But don't get upset when people call you out or get upset. When that asshole professor CHurchill in Colorado said that the people who died in 9-11 were little Eichmanns, he had every right to say that. We also had every right to say "what an asshole" and wonder if he was fit to be teaching at a major University. Freedom of speech give you the right to offend, but it also means that people can point out that you are offensive.
And if you want to bitch about black comedians doing "White guy" jokes, I am all for that. I find nothing lamer than listening to a black comedian going "White guys are like this and black guys are like this" routines. -
Jun 25, 2009 4:27:52 PM CDT
TINO 2 "is foul mouthed racist & misogynistic!" (AKA "sucks")
by finky089
In other news, clouds produce rain! And lungs are used for respiration! This and more at 11!
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Jun 25, 2009 4:28:11 PM CDT
Harassing or Persecuting Closet Racists is as Ridiculous and cow
by mitortilla
I don't see anybody beating up neo-nazis or kkk people.
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I voted for Obama because my only other option was voting for a 70+ year-old man and an outrageously ignorant "hockey mom" who can't even manage her own family. If there were a strong third party candidate up for the office, I'd have told the Reps and Dems to go fuck each other.
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If I were Michael Bay, I'd put ALL of that shit in my movie. Make it over the top with the stereotypical robots, and watch as people LAP THAT SHIT UP WITH SHIT-EATING GRINS!!! Apparently from audience reactions, they LOVE this stereotypical shit! Go to the extreme, Mr. Bay. The limp wristed gay robot will be rainbow colored, make the stereotypical black robot look similar to Mr. Popo from Dragonball Z in its color scheme, make the lazy mexican robot come from space and land in Mexico, and have a scene where it has to sneak across the border into the US, make the fat robot fart a lot and scratch its ass, have the robots get hit in the nuts and scream OW MY BALLS! and the snobby French robot will always run away from fights. GO FULL FUCKING IDIOCRACY RETARD ON THIS MOVIE MR. BAY AND YOU WILL MAKE DOUBLE THE BOX OFFICE, JUST MAKE SURE TO HAVE MORE SHIT BLOWING UP AND GETTING DESTROYED. PLEASE MR. BAY, WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU!!!!!!!
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Jun 25, 2009 4:30:00 PM CDT
Hey y'all, check this video some guy put up from the movie
by whothefuckcares
YouTube - wedontreallydomuchreading http://tinyurl.com/wedontreallydomuchreading FUCK Michael bay
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http://tinyurl.com/lg9tk7
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"me"
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Jun 25, 2009 4:34:43 PM CDT
Spike Lee was right. He called this shit with Bamboozled.
by whothefuckcares
America would eat up ignorant black stereotypes.
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if it meant they'd get to watch explosions. Fucking morons, the lot of you.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:36:20 PM CDT
CharlesThomasMathewsMom, PROBABLY UP YOUR MOMS PUSSY....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
In Roland Emmerich's next movie THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE™ and humanity seeks shelter in the folds of your mother’s smelly cavernous twat.
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The percentage of talkbackers with interesting, well thought-out opinions and insights to post has dwindled to a ridiculous low, while the amount of completely idiotic drivel generated by barely literate mouth-breathers and intellectually bankrupt dittoheads is rising daily. May you all gargle an overflowing mouthful of DGDB's most pungent vintage. -
Jazz- yes, Scatman did his voice, but it didn't make him a "caricature" of a black man, and certainly not a "bad" caricature of a negative black stereotype. The fact that his name was "Jazz" and he was voiced by Crothers, is probably not coincidental, but there's really nothing negative portrayed by G1 Jazz. Blaster - this character seems to have been heavily influenced by the increasingly pervasive acceptance of what was previously considered only "urban" culture into non-urban lives. Namely, the rising popularity of rap music beyond its city roots (please note that I'm purposefully stating it like this b/c rap came out of urban culture, not just one "race" or people.) Anyway, Blaster's rhyme talk and characteristic affinity for was was basically "light" rap and rock music certainly made him a more "urban" transformer than any of the other cartoon contemporaries. But was it a negative caricature of Black Americans? No way. Was it even a negative portrayal of "urban" culture. I doubt it. it's been a long time since I've seen much of the G1 cartoon, but I welcome somebody to point out some cringe-worthy scenes of Blaster that would indicate the charater was merely there to promulgate negative Black American stereotypes. Watching TF as a kid, I never even thought of Blaster as "black".
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replaced by ads of G.I. Joe. Fair exchange of shit movies, I guess.
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Its great to see Michael Bay's minions disguising themselves as responsible parents taking their kids to the movie. "Plant" doesn't even describe this. "Get all of our people online to defend it, we have a HUGE budget to pay for people!"
And other black people online to defend the movie. When I see someone claiming to be black but giving a stupid defense of this movie, its pretty obvious.
Also really cool to see posters from neo nazi sites defending the actual racism by saying people are like that in real life. Brilliant arguement.
And even forgetting all of that, you are defending a Shia Lebouf movie. Really?
Directed by a close friend of Ben Affleck's. Really?
And having the gall to tell me to check off my brain. Really?
I like my brain. it doesn't have to always enjoy high brow entertainment, but I will not punish it by putting it thru this piece of shit movie.
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Fuck, is Michael Jackson dead???
Local broadcaster KABC has said the 50-year-old singer was taken by ambulance to the UCLA Medical Center.
The Los Angeles Times has reported he was not breathing when paramedics arrived at his home.
The paramedics performed CPR and took him to the medical centre, the newspaper says. No further details were available.
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is dead. Wow.http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/
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Farrah Fawcett dead.
Michael Jackson dead?
Transformers 2 makes over $60 million.
This is one shitty day. It has to be a sign of the coming apocalypse.
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it is TMZ...they aren't very reliable.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:54:29 PM CDT
Reports say Jackson's has been seen dancing in a cemetary.
by mitortilla
In what appears to be a zombified state.
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Oooooooh, you mean not just his career? Gosh, can it be true?
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Man, word travels fast. I go off and do invoices for half an hour and the whole world changes!
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he's been taken to the hospital! Ah-hee-hee-he! OW!
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He died after defending Michael Bay. After the kid scandal, he couldn't bear to lie anymore.
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His heart couldn't handle so many baysplosions.
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and Michael Bay made $60 million dollarsThere is no God.
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Stereotypes wouldn't exist if stupid motherfuckers would stop reenforcing them! I saw it last night, it's a great movie. I didn't come out with a sense of awe and wonder as I have with other movies, but it was great for what it is. Not to mention 'racism' is a strong word. They're robot cars for Christ's sake. How many white punks do you see acting like that? It's gone beyond color, its culture. Urban, Ghetto, or whatever you choose to call it. It's not about color. BTW, they're green and red, not black, if you want to get technical. You might see it as racism, I see it as funny shit. We laugh at all types, no matter what color, or make and model thay are. Also, this is a movie about big fighting robots, so why are you people expecting Oscar class acting? What did you think you would see? Maybe the story could have been more indepth, but then it would have been longer. Enjoy it for what it is, entertainment, and lighten the fuck up.
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Who fucking cares if a child molester dies?
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A friend just called my wife and told her that her husband's fire battalion took the call to come to MJ's house. He called and told my wife's friend while MJ was on the way to the hospital...already dead. Now, rumors swirl like fucking crazy over shit like this, so it could have been a miscommunication between the two emergency responders, but.....
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If the way they were acting wasn't black stereotyping, why are white called "whiggers" when they do it? NO one said anything about oscar calibur acting. But your intelligent post shows what happens when you watch too many Bay flicks. I can play video games to watch big fighting robots, and most likely get a better plot too. go suck a metallic nutsack you racist prick.
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all those little kid ghosts in the afterlife, that's who!
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Jun 25, 2009 5:22:41 PM CDT
SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT HIM BUT HE DID MAKE THRILLER!!!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Best music video of all time.
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Im sure they're giving him a nice reception in hell. I hope that all his victims can take some solace in his death.
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I liked the movie as well, but those robots were, without a doubt, racist. They were almost exact replicas of how black people were depicted in old racists cartoons back in the day. If you don't see that, then you need to brush up on your history or something. Ignorance may be bliss, but those robots were so racists I think even KKK member would of said "Damn...that was racist" after seeing the twins. Bay is a racist filmmaker. Fact. Yes...even Bad Boys 1&2 is racist in parts. Look at any of his films closely and you will see it. Does he consider himself a racist? Of course not. No one does. Did it ruin my enjoyment of the film? No. But denying that something was what it was is just ignorant. I can tell you as a person of color, that I was personally offended multiple times over the course of T:RF. Especially with the snaggled tooth black dude in the butcher's shop.
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That's just it, it's not about race. It's about the culture. 'Whigger' or not, hell, I've seen Korean and Arabic people acting 'black'. It's not a black thing anymore. It's a culture. And yes, you could probably get a better plot from a video game.
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There will always be Asians, blacks, and Jews who excel in life better than you ever could and there will always be a reason for you to jump off a bridge. You're a Hitler youth reject. Go have blue-eyed circus children with your anemic sister, you confederate relic. You taint the human race with your stale, out-dated brain. Have yourself stuffed and put in a museum next to the dodo exhibit. Your ideology is simply a turd that won't flush. Hopefully when you die you'll meet a non-white God who gives you a prompt thumbs down. Enjoy your nappy vagina in the next life, moron.
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You really need to get out more or read some books or something...
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I think Devastators_Ballsack was trying to be sarcastic.
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But how they looked and the fact that they could not read, but I'm done debating the obvious with someone that just doesn't see it. I almost envy your ignorance. No disrespect intended though. I liked the movie too.
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its not just the acting, but the physical insults..the bug eyes, the monkey resemblances, that wasn't aimed at Eminem wannabes.
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There's no doubt those two were over the top, and I agree, that guy in the deli, that was just stupid. I just dont see color being an issue here. Im not defending Bay, but there are those of us out here that don't care about the color of someones skin (or paint) but their actions. And by actions, Im not neccesarily referring to the way someone acts.
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Jun 25, 2009 5:49:44 PM CDT
Ok...look at it this way, Mereel...(Last thing on the subject fo
by kdog69
Was there one single person of color that was positively portrayed in the film? That means, doing something heroic or doing something to advance the plot in a positive way. And no, Tyreese's stereotypical performance doesn't count. And like I said...This is a black person tell you (who I assume is white...correct me if I'm wrong) that those two robots were racist caricatures similar to the ones that were in all those old Looney Toons that they don't allow on TV anymore.
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EXACTLY!
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I didn't like the first Transformers.Being a fan of the comics, 80s cartoons, and the toys I was offended by the first lackluster effort. You couldn't tell one Transformer from another because the action sequences were so rapid fire. Plus I still think that the robots look more like Gundam or Voltron than the Transformers I grew up with. Plus I cannot stand Shia, whom I am convinced is trying to ruin everything I liked as a kid. Hey Shia would you like to attack and destroy any other popular 80s icons????
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Jun 25, 2009 6:15:07 PM CDT
blakindigo - you seem to have misunderstood my statement
by bonecrushersmith
I'm quite aware of the meanings of 'stereotype' and 'racism'. I never said they were 'accurate' depictions of a racial group, I merely said that there are SOME black (and white) people who act like the bots in question. Thank you for being "polite", as I may have misunderstood your statement that I made the "stupidest comment of the century" seemed not so.... polite. If you had read what I had actually written, and not responded to your knee-jerk interpretation of what you thought I said, we wouldn't be discussing my comment. There are people in every race, who fit every stereotype, of every race. They tend to be an exaggerated minority (no pun intended). Just as there are (SOME) jive-talkin' blacks, there are some hillbilly-talkin', racist rednecks. I'm neither, and I have never had a racist thought in my mind. I had more black friends than white when I was growing up, and I never looked at them as being any different than me. I just find it irritating that movies can't have a character that talks and acts like SOME people of a certain race, without it being labeled as racist. As I said, no one cries foul when a white stereotype is portrayed (innocently), but then it's not a good way to show everyone how enlightened you are unless it's a minority stereotype. I think the constant accusations of racism in everything cause more racism than already exists. No one wants racism to end more than me, because I see the damage it causes to both sides quite clearly. Finally, I'm not really sure how me discussing the topic at hand, "racist stereotypes in a movie (ROTF) doesn't "relate to Transformers 2...." I hope that I've explained myself well enough.
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That this argument is really shallow. Arguing about a kids movie. Sad people.
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Yeah, he really showed that when the one scene that GW was in in the first Transformers movie shows him as a lazy doofus. Bay also posts (several) updates on his website about how Obama likes his movies. Yup, Bay is definitely a Republican. Cuz it's sooo cool to be one.
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hahahahaha! take that harry. Singing Linkin Park and shit hahaaha
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Hell no. People die all the time, and they died when Amos and Andy was on the air, that didn't stop people talking about what an offensive piece of shit radio and tv program that was. And again, if it wasn't for the physical characteristics of the negro bots, I would agree that the slang and mannerisms were NOT a racial slap in the face. But the stepinfetchit bug eyes, and the monkey resemblances, that is straight from a klan/nazi recruitment book. Its not about political correctness. Its about dehumanizing the people you are parodying. The robots are parodies of a racist white person's REAL LIFE beliefs that affect their minds, lives, and ultimatly how they treat other people, whether at their job or at the ballot box. You could've had a movie about giant bots without that racist bullshit. I dont see how anyone can be so dense about this. And the "some of my best friends are black" line should be canned. You sound like that asshole producer of the tv show "Cops": '...if you look up the word liberal in the dictionary, my face is there...' Yeah, exactly you ignorant jack wad.
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Harry hates the only two good Bay films. That says a lot.
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...a movie review with valid and relevant points that MAY ACTUALLY AFFECT MY DECISION to see this movie, or not. And I'm actually leaning towards NOT seeing it. THIS from a fucking movie critic. But not just ANY movie critic...you, Harry. Hate your guts sometimes, you magnificent bastard - damn your eyes, Harry...but thank you.
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"you have to wonder if anybody in the process ever told Michael Bay that he was fucking offensively retarded."
A WHOLE BUNCH OF US ON YOUR OWN SITE HARRY - WHY NOT PASS ON SOME OF THE *NEGATIVE* FEEDBACK ALONG WITH THE POSITIVE NEXT TIME
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That line sez it all. It was the line all Liberal critics heard and reacted to. That being said, it got a huge response from those in the cinema - and I'm in liberal suckhole New Haven. Obama looked bad? Boo-hoo! and get use to it. I haven't been to a film with so much applause since "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Jurassic Park".
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That line sez it all. It was the line all Liberal critics heard and reacted to. That being said, it got a huge response from those in the cinema - and I'm in liberal suckhole New Haven. Obama looked bad? Boo-hoo! and get use to it. I haven't been to a film with so much applause since "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Jurassic Park".
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Obama is reality, Transformers is a suck ass movie with Lebouf and that hack director. If you defend those shitty "artistes" you are a fucking morong, YankeeHabsfag.
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"YankeeHabsfag"? Such hatred. I thought you libs were tolerant. Your mother must be so proud. By the way, I'd watch making clever twists on name, especially with your chick killer handle "(fill in the blank)giver". Out, wienie.
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I'm not a lib, jackass. And if you are going to use a ridiculous movie like this to make political points, I say crack open a book instead of masterbating over jive talking robots. BTW, has Limbaugh had anythign to say about this wreck of a movie? you must cream to everything he says, right?
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Thanks for pointing out that the vulgar language, scenes, situations, etc. DO NOT belong in what is essentially a kids movie. Would it have been so hard to cut that out, along with the stereo-type crap and make a PG rated movie? It made no sense in the first movie, and sounds to be worse in The Fallen.
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Harry, you're such a douchebag. Who knew you were so righteous? There were some moments that could have been taken out like Simmons' cup and the Twins entirely, but the movie isn't as bad as your or others are calling it. Granted I'm a life-long TF fan and the movie has issues, but the negative shit this film is getting doesn't seem fair. Whatever
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exactly. so much for conservative family values, eh?
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Terminator: Salvation and Indy 4 all fucking day
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Jun 25, 2009 7:59:12 PM CDT
I bet alot of poeple in this thread have asthma problems
by lockesbrokenleg
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I'd heard bad things about it before I went and saw it, but holy shit, none of them did it justice. Some of the crap they pulled had me staring, because I couldn't believe they'd honestly just gone and done that. Mudflap and Skids don't even try to be subtle--it's like they purposely sat down and said "How can we make these characters as offensive as possible?" Add in the fucking dogs and a small Decepticon humping Megan Fox's leg...easily the worst movie I have seen in a long, long time.
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Jun 25, 2009 8:52:42 PM CDT
I FOUND A PICTURE OF DON MURPHY AND HIS WIFE....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Remove the spaces http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1213/murphyandbitch.jpg
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Transformers and The Island are both great...I seriously can't fathom how anyone can dislike The Island.
Also, yes, Transformers 2 was by all means a bad film, but it was also the most fun I've had at a movie theater in awhile Somehow all the parts that were retarded just dont bother me at all because the movie doesnt take itself seriously at all, neither should anyone watching it. Its entertaining as shit and if you dont think so you are expecting the wrong things from the movie, granted things that are reasonable to expect from most movies, but you just gotta go into this movie with a different frame of mind. -
"Some Chinese citizens are not happy about this movie because Shanghai appears to be very shabby in the movie which they think is not a real representation of the city.
Moreover, they think bombing Shanghai is an insult to China. They think the movie intentionally tries to uglify China. It is understood that publisher may cut these scenes from the Chinese edition out of consideration for box office receipts.
Some people comment that it is still unbearable for the publisher to only promise to cut these scenes in China. If the "shabby Shanghai" in "Transformers 2" is widely seen by people all over the world, this will mean an even bigger insult to us. Therefore, those people are requiring that those scenes are not shown anywhere in the world."
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Did I smell some Murphy back there, look I was appalled when the 1st movie came out. To tell the truth my interest in this bordered between Morbid curiosity and total abhorrence with the racial shit I’m definitely passing on this, but its pretty much what I expected when you throw a ton of money at Michael Bay, give the tool free reign, in the middle of a writers strike. So good ole Donny 2'Chins I aint mad at you in the slightest. I just blame you for saying 2 years ago that Michael Bay was on your Short list of Directors when People like Robert Zemeckis where built for this type of shit.
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I think its hilarious all the ways people are getting offended by this movie. Seriously people, lighten up...boo hoo China doesnt actually look like that? I mean, Micheal Bay obviously has some problems but I appluad him for being able to make a movie as entertaining as this without a story that makes any sense or believable characters and acting...and create controversy over it while at the same time preparing to make hundreds of millions.
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I'm going to do two things I don't do often when posting here: be positive and gentle, at least at first.
Bob Orci: I loved Star Trek. I loved the first Transformers. Loved 'em like true love loves anything, including the flaws.
I loved parts of ROTF, and those parts made up for what I couldn't stand. The scenes with Prime being Prime...holy shit, I was in geek heaven. The tears I shed in 1986 when I watched Prime die were shed again, this time because Prime actually fucking LIVED in this movie. I think the next movie should just be called TRANSFORMERS: OPTIMUS PRIME.
I didn't like the Twins, nor did I like the stupid humor. I put the blame for that squarely on Mike Bay's shoulders. He's a moron it seems and while I appreciate some of his craft in making visually stimulating movies, that doesn't erase his baser instincts.
Nor do I think you and Kurtzman are somehow sucking Bay's cock because you work with him in creating these films. Way I see it, you HAD to do these movies. Otherwise, in come non-fans who don't get it and they shit all over the properties. From a fan to a fan, I honestly say thank you for two exciting and fun movies, movies that made me feel like a kid again.
Now, back to the old Doc Cosmic, but only for the haters. You fucking over-educated, snobbish little twats can't possibly begin to appreciate anything FUN or CHILD-LIKE because your inner child died long ago when you convinced yourself that good=dark, "serious," thought-provoking, "deep," or whatever.
You sit behind your computers and bash a man who has actually gotten off his ass and worked hard. Sure, they aren't writing high-brow stuff, but they aren't pretending too, either (though Star Trek was close).
As a writer myself, I can attest to the fact that it's one of the hardest jobs in the world. You face your own insecurities and your own willpower when you sit at that keyboard.
You fucking elitist pricks can sit there and bash Orci and Kurtzman and all the other successful folk you want to for not creating the kind of "intelligent" and "mature" bullshit that has clogged the Academy Awards lo these many years. You do this because you have nothing else to do after going to your pathetic jobs and coming home, alone, to the computer wherein you dump all the self-loathing and hatred you have because you have failed yourself.
So Haters, go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut and then kindly shut the fuck up. Oh, I'm sorry...was that too "simple" and not "intelligent" enough?
Doc -
You've signed on for everyone in Hollywood looking for an easy target for a joke to tee off on you whenever they want. Right or left, Democrat or Republican, good or bad. Of course it isn't right, but it's the way it is. Obama's gonna have to get used to the bashing the same way Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter and everyone else has. There's no respect for the office on the silver screen (at least not in movies like this.) and if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
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Fun and Childlike means calling someone a "mudflap" (go look it up if you are too stupid to read a book)? Not liking a shitty movie means you are an elitist prick? There are plenty of movies out there that accomplished being half way decent fodder for a summer blockbuster. This one was a giant turd. Fuck intelligent and mature. Does a robot humping a woman's leg appeal to the child in anyone, or the fucking moron in everyone? This was all about being a stupid piece of shit that Bay's promotion team is trying to defend to recoup that ridiculous budget that would've been better spent on another Ace Ventura movie. If this is Bay working hard, he needs to take a vacation...while laying off the cocaine. Give druglords a fucking vacation, eh? Oh, and to keep this from going back and forth, read the goddamn points of the so called haters.
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Harry, get over yourself. I know that's quite a task, being as massive and nigh immobile as your are, but really, what the fuck, do you think you're fucking Rosa Parks or something?
Harry, you fat faggot fuck, give us a fucking break. You don't give two shits about "dreams" or "PC" or anything. Your cholesterol-clogged heart is the size of your cock, i.e., under two inches.
My guess is, you're just pissed that Paramount didn't send you some kind of cock-stroke package or invite you to the premiere.
And please, don't try to convince us that you're objective because you run some ROTF adds on your site. Big fuckin' deal, you need the money to buy the boy-whores you frequent and the drugs you use to deaden the pain of being Harry Knowles.
Oh, and also to pay your she-man to continue the charade of being someone stupid enough to marry you.
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...that's life. Didn't like the movie? too bad people actually did, deal with it and stop trying to make your misery everyone's company if all you can do is complain about the toilet humor and Bay. They were more tha a few nods to the G1 and TF:TM. I have really nothing bad to say about the film. Honestly, I'm trying to think did anything really piss me off and nope, ok maybe I wanted more more autobots, the two films make them dependent on the human to win, it's a plot device to make the human characters relevant I guess
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Extremely similar to the first movie in the series except on steroids, and filled with retarded humor and non stop action...resulting in something that doesn't come close to resembling a "good" movie...but go in expecting nothing more and you will have a great time.
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I just tried to see the 10:40 show on the VIP screen at my local multiplex which had it showing on 3 screens per showtime. It was sold out and the place was a damn zoo. Anyhow I overheard multiple people say "that was stupid, but the action was fucking awesome!" Then since I couldn't get a ticket I went for a burger instead, and the girl who served me said she saw the movie yesterday. She said she "loved it soooo much" and then I thought about her blowing me. It was only a thought.
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Come on now, its comic relief, its humor, you don't like it? Move on! No one said shit when Jazz was talking like a "black" person how come? because he was a "cool" guy and now that these 2 transformers change it up a bit, you out here posting like a little baby that your feelings are hurt? I don't understand why everyone is dissecting this movie so much. It is a movie after all, and a damn good one, its a summer blockbuster, and weather your feelings were a little hurt or not. It will go on to become one of the best selling movies of all time. We don't really need more people in this world talking crap about stereotypes and shit anymore. It was funny, and I am glad they did it, and I hope they do something very similar in part 3.
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Transformers when I read the comics and the toy bios as a kid (and I loved those wonderful tech specs and read them many times, learnt some words from them too), was that they had various character traits but because they were robots there was no stereotyping. Through reading about these robots I learnt to see people's personalities without the race/gender/etc bullshit. I am sure others feel this too, that TF educated about how people differ.
I actually think TF reduced racism because if a person can see robots as people, they are less likely to dehumanise people of other races.
Shame, then, that Bay undermines all that good work with lazy stereotypes.
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WELL DONE.
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The black actor who provides the voice of one of the twins had this to say:
"It's an alien who uploaded information from the Internet and put together the conglomeration and formed this cadence, way of speaking and body language that was accumulated over X amount of years of information and that's what came out," he said. "If he had uploaded country music, he would have come out like that. It could easily be a Transformer that uploaded Kevin Federline data. They were just, like, posers to me."
Also, I was sitting next to an african american couple during the movie and the guy next to me seemed to find the twins very funny, much more than I did. If you really think about it...they are fucking annoying, but mostly harmless. Sure they could have done without a couple of the lines like the reading thing..but just stop being so overly sensitive...especially you Harry god damn it. This whole controversy seems to have alot of people jumping on the bandwagon. -
I fucking loved the posts you just did, and i agree with 99.9% of every single thing you said - i just can't get behind the diss to harry's wife. now, as for this this race card that has been dropped on ROTF...i just can't believe how frustrating and fucking pathetic it is - and i dread what it's going to become. you think harry or any of these other 'internet journalists' (using the term very fucking lightly) got even half as upset over a real issue, like the recent nuclear threats that north korea has made? fuck no! but they easily get all riled up about some imaginary racism that they have concocted in their sad little worlds. my opinion is that it was poor writing/characterization and not racism in any form at all. was ROTF perfect - no. i was certainly disappointed at a few of the choices K, K, & O went with the script, but it was nothing unforgivable. i remember being heartbroken when prime died back in 86', and i just cannot get over the fact that they have given us Optimus Prime as a character, here in 07' & 09'. i wish they could give him more screen time in these films, but there's nothing i can do bout that, so i'll enjoy what we got - rather than endlessly bitch. what always cracks me up about these fucking complainers, is that they rarely - if ever - give us some insight into what they would do differently. all they seem to be capable of is name calling & 'couch quarterbacking' - which continuously exposes how little they actually know about filmmaking. i defy 99.9% of them to make a coherent 3 minute film, let alone something of this magnitude. in harry's defense, the guy knows alot about films, but i'm just really disappointed that this inept race thing has been brought into the fold. enjoyed yer post, cheers...
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Jun 25, 2009 10:50:34 PM CDT
"What up Bitches? This seems like a cool place to kick it."
by darthwaz1
One of Jazz's lines from TF1
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This parading shitfest Charles sophist cunt isn't a Canadian national, the hefty chuckles cocksucker is hiding out after ditching military service and child support payments.
Go back to your van fat cunt, You are a shit-stain on my laundry. Of course this little pecker breath runs his mouth, this fuckers hiding out in CANADA! Hey piss breath, didn't we like, conquer you and your people?
GOP? Man you've got a flatulent shit breath sort of reasoning and logic don't you. Now why don't you continue sodemizing infants you socio-pederest pedaphile piece of shit. You feeble-minded fat fucker my left nut has more intellectual agility than your entire fucking genetic lineage and you're just pissy you know it. You miserable turd, only a poor, fat, miserable, cocksucker like you would propogate fallacious rhetoric to such a small dick degree. I blow a wet voluntary ass wind in your general direction fat whore. You STINK of hypocrisy shit breath. Now go fuck off and die. -
the 1st one Why keep a device able to animate machine right next to a deactivated Giant Killer Robot.
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NICE explanation - that's -exactly- how I read it. And the "urban" audience (aka black) who I was with loved the twins. I thought they were funny.
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now it's time for the people who actually LOVE awesome big spectacle movies to have their discussion. doc paz, just skip this one bud. no one caresApart from some trashy songs, how fucking cool was the music. every cinematic beat - note perfect!How awesome was optimus prime. omg.... that guy is a leader, a prime, for a reason. he is what arnie was in the 80's 90's. I was amazed at how enjoyable Shia performed. he is a top actor. i love how sparce and open this film is - like the old indianna jones - a whole world unto itself - this is what films are spose to be!! fucking huge!!anyone who didn't understand the plot must have been talking or playing with their balls - the film is NOT complicatedAfter star gate having the pyramids as spaceship landing pads, i thought i'd seen it all - but now, ancient covers of a giant transformer deathray aimed at the sun - fucking genius!! wow - STOP that transformer... stop him!!!!the matrix disintigrating.... but it didn't actually disintigrate, it just transformed into particles... this is transformers how it always should have been. omg i love this this film. i want the other lovers to come out. screw these haters. screw them. and to asshats thinking im a paid plant... get a fucking life. aint it cool news WILL NOT kill this film. its good. it just is. The only offensivething at my screening was the cock behind me crackling his chip packet. nothing a sideways look from me didn't fix tho As an afterthought... some people just can't handle Bay's massive style. wel.... i can i guess.
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if ur going to use uncommon words like "pederAst" learn to spell u bad excuse for a human being (i have a feeling, considering ur bad science analogies that u have an arts degree, which is sad as ur spelling and grammar suck).
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It's a Michael Bay film based off a toy line from the 1980's. What do you expect? You can read negativity into anything if you want. Hell... Jim Carey saw the numer 23 everywhere he looked. ;-)
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The cube is the only thing that brings life to the robots, right? So what physiological urge could there be for a robot to hump anyone? (Yeah, I know, cue the "But it's Megan Fox!" replies. Please spare me.)Kinda reminds me way back when the TBs first hit for TF1. Back then I had asked how Soundspike (or whatever) could survive decapitation by Sam, yet Barricade couldn't survive decapitation by Prime.And, hell, while I'm at it, since it applies to TF2 as well as TF1 -- Why is it all robots are born Decepticons? Meaning, that they first thing they crave upon coming to life is bloodshed. Do they have to be contained and sent to Autobot discipline school in order to learn how to behave civilly?
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I'd like to see them explore that plot point, actually - especially with Jetfire's remark "It's a choice, a very personal choice." It seems like the new robots are inherently corrupt and violent. Perhaps, as I suspect, the Cube wasn't as benevolent in its origin as the Autobots would like to believe? Maybe it was a device designed to create war?
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Trying to analyze the plot of these movies that deeply is pointless...Michael Bay doesnt give a shit about anything like that...and for these kinds of movies, that's perfectly ok with me.
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Lets see: 1)come up with bullshit stories about how supposed black people in the audience loved it so that they won't feel bad about themselves. 2)Then say that anyone deriding the film has no right to do so even though this is an open forum with people who have different opinions about it.3)justify that there are people who talk like this in real life, no matter how stupid it is. 4)gang up on the head honcho of the very site they voice their opinions on and insult him like immature junior high school pussies. Once these are done by people hired by the studio, other morons who actually don't work for Bay and Company get follow like sheep and think it must be okay to defend the shittiest movie of the year (if not decade) by the worst director and the most over exposed actor (LeBoof). Shia killed Indy, Transformers, a Kennedy movie (Bobby), and now the sequel to Wall Street. This kid must love wrecking the past. Will he also play Conan? Play a character in The Hobbit? Remake Casablanca? Play Spike Lee's character Mookie in the remake of Do the Right Thing? Or try to make Plan 9 From Outer Space into a serious action film with Mr. Bay on hand for the BIG EXPLOSIONS? Turn off your brain kids! You can never have enough crap to dumb you down! And you wonder why Jay Leno's street questions worked so well...their the audience for Bay's movies.
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just learned how to spell.
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"if ur going to use uncommon words like "pederAst" learn to spell u bad excuse for a human being (i have a feeling, considering ur bad science analogies that u have an arts degree, which is sad as ur spelling and grammar suck). "
Bwwwwwwah hah hah hah. Go fuck yourself and clean up aisle nine you small cocksucker. Then go suck your moms dick. -
And imagine, it will be the end to retarded Jar Jar-esque characters on film.
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After I was seeing the two "Stereo-Bots" I was waiting for the lowrider that would say "Hey vato, yo quiero Taco Bell.
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That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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All I've heard about is Don Murphy. Anyone else? And its not ganging up. Its just shit-talking. Harry has done plenty of it. This isn't really any different.
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Devastator's got Balls-AsimovLives Doesn't.
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Don Murphy is completely full of his own importance and by now should have learnt how to deal with critcism, instead of rambling like an 11 year old who has just been teased in the playground.
Michael Bay is just an music video director who was given a tonne of money,and firmly believes bigger is better, don't really think the guy is evil or anything, just very simple.
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What's the matter, Harry? Did Micheal Bay diss you somehow like Brett Ratner did? Didn't invite you to the press junket or something? I don't even like MB, and I can admit that it was great.
The critics don't know what they're talking about. I almost hate to admit it, but I thought Transformers 2 was awesome. Totally in line with the original cartoon and one of the most epic effects-driven movies I've ever seen.
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What is Spielberg's involvement in the movie from a creative and decision making perspective, does he really have any, and did it change from the first one ?
In regards to the success of the first one, I am convinced that Spielberg's attachment to the movie helped significantly in getting the crowds there. Adding some much needed credibility, with the assumption that he could control Bay to some extent, get him to think about a story rather than just set pieces. Was this assumption true in anyway ? -
Just got back. SPEED 2 + BATMAN AND ROBIN. That is what this film is. And Michael Bay can go fuck himself for his subtle Obama jabs. Fuck you Bay.
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Just got back. SPEED 2 + BATMAN AND ROBIN. That is what this film is. And Michael Bay can go fuck himself for his subtle Obama jabs. Fuck you Bay.
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The climax that was 40 fucking minutes of running across 2 miles in the desert for 2 minutes of Optimus Prime action. What the fuck?!! Who is responsible for editing this film? Cut out an hour. Oh, shit, I forgot Harry said the same thing above. It's true. It's an hour too long because it's got an hour of NOTHING happening. If they had cut the hour then it would play more and make more money, but nooooo, they had to put in the most boring build up to a 2 second climax of boredom since Speed 2. Just a total fuck up. And the effects were NO BETTER than the first film which I now actually think is a better film than it was. Bay totally let down the actors in this film. They obviously came to work hard and Bay was obviously just winging this shit. This movie is going to plummet after this week. People were yawning literally in my theater. I am forgiving of films. I enjoy all the stupid action shit, but this was as bad and Batman and Robin and Speed 2. Really truly that bad. Wow.
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I read his review, and this is quite possibly one of the stupidest sentences I have ever read:
"Realizing just how little I have in common with the mindset of the film, I disconnected emotionally from it completely, and maybe that's why the spectacle of it all worked for me."
And he keeps doing that throughout...spewing a warped logic that turns things on their head. The films blatant weaknesses are suddenly strengths. The fact that it's so damn BIG at the expense of plot makes it enjoyable, because that's Bay's hallmark. Or how now that he understands how even Bay doesn't take his own films seriously, he has actually taken a liking to him. Or how being emotionally disconnected from the film is a good thing that increased his enjoyment.
He has such smug self-importance and tries to write as if he knows what he's taking about. This brainless fuckwad shouldn't be writing reviews. At least he's not on AICN anymore; this is the first time I've visited his stupid site (and the last). Good riddance. -
It was fun stupid nonsense - not a commentary of our times. Why try and review a film like this as if it means something socially. It is big dumb fun with stunning effects and explosions, and hot women.
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Jun 26, 2009 4:05:25 AM CDT
speaking of racism, tf1 has jewish shia trying to raise money!
by ironic_name
by selling his own grandpa's glasses! whatta cunt! stereotyping jews as money hungry!
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don murphy is... they didn't have any coked out men with the intelligence of babies in dh, did they?
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just asking.
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...of a giant transformer deathray aimed at the sun - fucking genius!! wow - STOP that transformer... stop him!!!!"
BendersShinyAss is a well-known tinfoil-hatter conspiratard, so it's no wonder he was jizzing into his popcorn at all the covert, hush-hush, ancient alien shenanigans.
"some people just can't handle Bay's massive style. wel.... i can i guess."
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—but if you read your statement again, it implies the opposite of what your just clarified. Yes, many groups are stereotyped and ridiculed. My knee-jerk response to your comment is because of anger, not at you per say, but the attitude of entitlement it represents. The constant use of those specific stereotypes are disproportionately exaggerated and one–sided; it's tiresome, offensive and incredibly lazy. Of course people can (and often do) turn to tired old character chestnuts, using obvious and exaggerated humour—hell, watch BET for some hack comedian's lazy points on 'the differences between white people and black people.' Or the consistently annoying black stereotypes in Michael Bay movies (for even clearer examples Google seanbaby's essay on that).Ever see Bakshi's "Coonskin"? It's LOADED with racist stereotypes and comments on them BRILLIANTLY. But, Bakshi isn't using these images to poke fun at his characters, or the people they 'represent' he's poking fun at the values that created them in the first place.Your original post wasn't clear and felt like a complaint in favour of a backwards tradition. Again, there are many truths in certain stereotypes, but do you really think people are overreacting when it's their group that's being repeatedly targeted? Especially in light of Hollywood's history?Watch "The Boondocks" for a black American critique on Hip Hop culture—it's obvious the creators love the genre, but their vicious satire rings true, whereas, I don't recognize ANYONE who talks like those two illiterate sambots; we're meant to laugh at them, recognizing them as bafoons. If there was a character (term used EXTREMELY LOOSLEY—sorry boborci, I know your just working with what you've been given) in the film that commented on their idiotic behaviour and as a contrast was NOT a bufoon (like in "Tropic Thunder") that makes it funnier and more interesting.Note that I didn't refer to the film as 'racist'. But, is it stupid? Yes.Are those stereotypes comedic? No. Hell no.
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Smell that shit. Gonna try and see it today but I think school's out in which case I'll just come back home. I don't need to sit shoulder-to-shoulder with ten year olds, my life is embarassing enough.
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Makes me sad that movies are getting more and more dumb. Just hearing that there are humping dogs in TF2 is enough to make me now want to see it. Movies are too expensive to throw down so much money to watch such juvenile garbage, just like the pissing robot in TF1, not to mention John Turturro wearing Sector 7 apparal, which is unbelieveably retarded. That man was never funny, either.
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That should have been NOT want to see it.
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The first half was fun. The desert scenes started to drag. My fave fight was actually BUMBLEBEE. You could follow his fight moves. The twins were just THERE (though they got a good fight scene). The second half felt underwritten. Devastator was good but *spoilers* Optimus vs. Fallen fight felt short. (Same problem with Optimus vs. Megatron in T1). The climactic fight scene should be extended! Esp. since it spent ages building up to it with goofy desert travel scenes with Turturro. Starscream and Megatron were given less focus here. I don't know, it was like there were scenes that dragged in the desert when other things like the army, other characters- overall context could've been built up better. Focus seemed to be given more to the Tropic Thunder explosions/dying scenes than the hand-to-hand robot combat. Shia was funny in college. (Funny 'tight t-shirt' scene). Teenage schoolboys still in uniform in audience wouldn't shut up about Megan(she does less here). Crowd seemed to love it. I felt the pacing dropped once they met that old Scottish robot. Added mysticism/mythology with this, less robot fighting.
I agree with two many major robots given too little screen time, goofy comic robots given too much. All these robots seem to just appear towards the end, yet they all needed to be fleshed out (so to speak). Humans too. It was pretty good but could've been much better with tweaks, focus, simplifying things a bit. Things felt like they were missing. -
Film being re-edited. Co-director also removed from film.
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I'm in medical school you fuckin idiot (why I knew your ref to Down syndrome), and don't work in a fuckin supermarket: stop projecting. Idiot.
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Like he had no fucking control with the blackbots. Yet he admits he was the one that put the gold tooth in. Why not have them chewing on watermelon and slapping some bitch-bots about for TF3 Bay? Cunt.
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Jun 26, 2009 7:37:34 AM CDT
"No one said shit when Jazz was talking like a "black" person ho
by stooopider
Yes we fucking were. And he's the only robot that gets killed in the first movie! And none of the other robots cared! Talk about token black dude. And he fucking breakdanced. Ugh fucking awful.
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... Not to mention everyone in SECOND UNIT... Everything else (and I mean EVERYTHING) failed.
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Looking forward to it. Personally I loved the first one. Just my personal opinion, but I think people forget how simplistic the cartoon was, and think a movie about giant robots is supposed to be some thinly veiled statement about global warming, or the war on terror, or some other highly charged issue that seems to be what happens to 80% of the movies that are released today. Remember how many people tried to make The Dark Knight into some allegory on how Big Brother tries to watch us, or a statement about how Batman was George W. Bush? Transformers and from what I have heard, ROTF can't be analyzed because it's just a movie about giant robots blowing stuff up and that causes people like Harry to go into hissy fits because they can't use the movie to promote their thinly veiled politcal views, or use it to write a review that fools them into thinking they are more important than they actually are. Look if you don't like the movie I have no problem with that but guys like Harry write these wordy, self-important reviews that make us want to believe he will actually influence the box office take of these movies when in reality about only 2% of the people who see this will actually read his review. Also I find it odd to find ads for this movie on his site. Why would he run advertisements for a film that is so horrible and as he put it "foul-mouthed, racist and misogynistic." I enjoy the news on this site, but for the most part the reviews are boring, angry, diatrabes that reflect the views of a group of men that more than likely have had their own screenplays rejected numerous times, and when faced with a movie they hate turn bitter, petty, and cry to the heavens because they just know, they just know they should be great successes because their work is so much better than the dreck they have to review. I could be wrong, but that's how these reviews come across to me. Anyway looking forward to the flick and since it made 60 million on opening day I guess some people do like it.
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...he shoots a lot of 2nd unit stuff himself. Doesn't make the movie any better though.
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Christ Harry, you were pretty close to expressing an opinion that didn't nauseate me, there.
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I think 2% is actually a bit high, to be quite honest. Not to be mean, but of all the theatres in all the world, I don't think there's that many.
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Nothing mean in that statement of all. 2% could very well be a bit high, that just further proves how irrelevant Harry's reviews are compared to how relevant he thinks they are.
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Have I seen Transformers 2? No. Do I know it's crap? Yes. How so? Because even though McDonalds tries to convince me it's a restaurant with real food...it's crap. I've eaten there. I know it's crap. I've seen Bay's movies and have peered into his mindset. Michael Bay feels that all our base are belong to him. Meesa won't waste words here critiquing the hairs on a rat's balls. I offer this from The Onion. It says it all. http://www.theonion.com/conten t/news/michael_bay_signs_50m_d eal_to_fuck
Of course, you'll have to take the bloomin' spaces out of the link, so that it reads
http://www.theonion.com/conten t/news/michael_bay_signs_50m_d eal_to_fuck
which the above likely has spaces too. Cut, paste and backspace, dammit. Personally, I'd like to see Rosario Dawson put 15 pounds back on and play Cheetara...but that's just me.
Michael Jackson, Farrah, and Ed: is this another freaky God example of the power of 3? Three different kinds of pain...
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SInce we have an ignorant negro ruining America, passing a cap & tax billl that will kill millions of jobs (ask mom & dad), and all out Socialism. I need about as many nigger jokes as a movie can muster. I'm there. Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.
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What a week it's been.
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if bay has anything to do with a movie it will be shitty, even the ones harry liked of his are forgettable, the only thing cool is big explosions and hot girls, so ill wait until it comes out blu-ray and watch it while im drunk
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"I'd like to ask you not to support this film, but those of you with young boys, I know there isn't a chance. But realize you'll be taking them to see a film with the lowest forms of humor, stereotypes and racism around. Not only that, but its packaged for our children. Which makes it all the more offensive."
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from what I hear Paramount has cancelled any future advertising on ths site at Murphy's request, as have Dreamworks and Sony.
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And it s WAAAAAY too long. They should just put together a reel that is just Giant Robot Action sequences. You could easily put together a 90 minute action / efx demo. The rest of it just throw out. So, yeah, basically the same as the first one, BUT, the action and efx are much better this time around. You can actually follow the battle scenes and they're pretty awesomely done.
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Jun 26, 2009 1:08:49 PM CDT
DON MURPHY CLAIMS TRANSFORMERS SUCCESS AS HIS…..
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I was on his board throwing insults at him about how he’s a parasite and Bay/Spielberg only threw a Producers credit at him for bringing the property to them while having nothing to with the production. Murphy went on a tirade about how he was the creative driving force behind these movies and claimed that it was his involvement in them that has helped make them Michael Bay’s biggest hits. I get the feeling he realized he’d get in shit for those comments which is why he scrubbed them from his site. What a delusional scumbag.
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This is the best movie review I have ever read in my entire life. From io9:
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Function: Director
Motto: "Faster, more intense!"
Michael Bay is all about excess, screaming and shouting into his microphone, he thinks subtlety is a mental illness.
Bay can shoot extreme close-ups making his opponents unable to see what the fuck is going on. Can suck all characterisation and emotion out of entire scenes. Has many, many weaknesses.
STRENGTH: 4
INTELLIGENCE: 3
SPEED: 1
ENDURANCE: 10
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Thanks for the link. That was freaking hilarious.
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Why? Because Harry gave his opinion of the movie and suggested a boycott?Boy, talk about thin-skinned, Chuck...Stooge...Don. Whatever.
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Would you want to give money to someone who bashed your product?
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Jun 26, 2009 1:41:09 PM CDT
NO WONDER MURPHY IS SOO DEFENSIVE WHEN TARANTINO.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Bitch slapped his fat pussyface. Here's a report taken at the scene of the bitch slapping where Don Murphy got PWNED by a guy who looks like he couldn't beat up a 12 year old girl, quote - Filmmaker Quentin Tarantino, who adapted Elmore Leonard's Rum Punch into the upcoming Jackie Brown, allegedly punched a fellow diner at a posh West Hollywood Italian eatery, according to an eyewitness account Wednesday. Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputies responded to the ruckus involving the 34-year-old Pulp Fiction auteur at the restaurant Ago on trendy Melrose Avenue, but no arrests were made and no charges filed. "All I know is that Tarantino and somebody else got into an altercation at the restaurant," said Sgt. Marty Chulack. "Whatever problems they had were resolved at the scene." When called for comment, a worker at the dining establishment, described as the new meeting and eating place for insider Hollywood, refused to answer questions about the brawl. But according to an eyewitness, the Tarantino incident occurred at lunch time. The witness, a fellow diner, looked up to see "this slug fest going on [near] the maitre d' station." who then described the melee like this: Tarantino standing above a cowering, unidentified man, "punching at his head." Sheriff's deputies appeared after the fight had broken up. When they left, Tarantino was still there--joining his own party in another room of the restaurant, the witness said. No word on the identity of Tarantino's punching bag or the cause of the brawl. Tarantino's publicist could not be reached for comment Wednesday afternoon. Murphy subsequently sued QT for $5,000,000. He only received $450 when the Judge took one look at Murphy and decided that QT couldn’t help himself as Don had a face that demanded to be punched. Murphy reportedly spent part of his settlement on an all you can eat buffet where witnesses reported seeing him crying as he finished off his seventh plate of food before using the rest of his money to buy cheap porn to jerk off to before crying himself to sleep in a stupor of self loathing, grease and cum. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Jun 26, 2009 1:45:10 PM CDT
CharlesThomasMathewsMom, I'M COMPETENT AT BURGER FLIPPING WHERE
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Don Murphy rides on the coat tails of creative people and couldn't make a good movie on his own to save his life.
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Do you really think that's the issue here? Well, it's not. Don Murphy has a personal vendetta against Harry due to a falling out over a certain film project. And it looks like the hypocrite is exercising his third-tier producer muscle in an effort to lash out at a website that he thinks has no influence anyway. Amazing!
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Keep making stuff up... never said shit about Bay, settled the QT case for $2 million and all the movies are good. BTW Jimmy Hatcher has told me everything, you sick demented pervert.
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First I have to say that I think of Harry as an icon for those of us that love movies, and on a side note I loved you in "Fanboys". However I just saw TF2 in IMAX today, and while, yes I could have done without the foul mouthing throughout the film, other than that I LOVED THIS MOVIE. But of course I loved the first film as well, this one was easily 4 times better. I almost teard up when it paid homage to the original animated movie by bringing in the "Autobot Matrix of Leadership". The fight sequences were mind blowing, and left my boy bouncing up and down in his seat. The only problem I had with it (other than the potty language), was the fact that you never learn the names of all of the bots. The Twins are only refered to as just that, and the new Autobots, and none of the new Decepticons are named, with the execption of Ravage, Soundwave, and Devistator. Over all my only regret was that I couldn't afford to watch it again, though I will before it leaves the theater.
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I don't really know or care about any personal vendettas Don Murphy has against Harry. All I know is that if I produced this movie and bought ads from this site and then read that piece of crap review I would cease to do business with that person. That's all I'm saying.
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in Moonwalking.
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He needs to tear into this shitfest.
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Jun 26, 2009 2:36:03 PM CDT
Geekhaterssuck - but that takes "credibility" away from AICN
by finky089
I realize what a potentially dubious statement that is on its own, but, anyone not reviewing or giving a film a positive/negative review that is influenced by a potential conflict of interest with the advertisers on this site has no integrity or credibility anymore. I think there have been times where a negative AICN review has been oddly "late to the party" or just left to the lesser knwon contributors of the site due to just such a "conflict", but you'll never get anyone at AICN to fess up to it. In fact, i think sometimes you get more BS "love" (or, defacto "love" by not writing a scatching a review and glossing over the bad stuff) by AICN writers, rather than the omitted or late reviews. But I think that happens pretty infrequently here, too. Anyway, Harry and his gang have to maintain the image that they are a "reviewer of the people", not to be swayed by advertisers, free on-set tours and interviews, and early screenings in order for AICN to retain its popularity. Otherwise, it becomes kinda like movie payola.
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he doesn't seem to get to see this kind of stuff to early. Maybe we'll get one by Monday?
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Fair enough. But Don's animosity is motivated by far more than a simple statement from a film review. I'd love to know if he's been this hawkish over the ads on other websites that have been just as critical.
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Word.
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Bay didn't make this for a bunch of 30 year old nerds, he did a George Lucas and made it for the CURRENT 12 year old male population. That way, Transfomers has longevity. Duh!
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I understand that view, however if that was a concern then Harry should not accept ad dollars from movie studios to begin with. The arguement could be made that the only reason Harry bashes some movies is to put out that very image, that he will not be swayed. Farfetched I admit but the possibility is there. Anyway I'm not saying Harry should shill movies he doesn't like for ad dollars. I'm just saying I do not blame a movie studio for pulling advertising, or refusing to buy more if a movie that they produced was reviewed like that. The review itself was crap. In my opinion, and I stress in just my opinion, the "reviewer of the people" line might be the image Harry and his gang want to portray but that is a bad joke. Critics rarely have a clue what people want. Box office decides what is successful and what is liked. Case in point, I hated Titantic but it's the highest grossing film of all time, so my opinion hardly matters. Harry hated this movie, and produced a dreck filled review to prove it, yet it posted 60 million in one day the second highest opening day of all time. As I've said before I have no problem someone hating a movie it's all personal opinion but the stupid hate, and paper thin reviews drive me nuts. Harry is no more a "reviewer of the people as I am."
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I would have to wonder the same thing, and I'm asking because I have no clue but how much power does Mr. Murphy have in such decisions? I'm not a Hollywood insider I don't even know who the guy is. Bigwig at Paramount? Producer? I simple don't know.
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sorry typo.
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I think it's going to make some money.
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Might suck to you and that's fine but on Yahoo 5,113 user reviews rate the film an A-. IMDB users rate it a 7.0. So frankly it seems many more people like the movie than don't like it.
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you guys are all fucking stupid.
and half of you cant spell.
hey i want transformers 2 to be a great movie too, and wish it could be as good as you would hope. Oh .. fighting robots .. yes I dont expect anything more..
but if you truly understand the way movies and creativity is done ( i mean really, dont be offended ) .
you would see this, unfortunately was nothing more than a cash grabbing flick. ¨the hot chick¨, the ¨big explosions ¨...
dont get me wrong, thats what this movie is suppose to be, the 1st one was done well, it made you think.
this one is just long shit that goes nowhere... theyre always running, robots fighting you cant even tell whats happening.
give me a break
well i guess they succeeded at getting to some of you fanboys who cant seem to grasp or care to see things for what they really are.
i guess your the same people who watch reality tv shows or MTV .
dont worry about it, maybe youll get help soon
this movie would be ok for kids under 14, because they wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a good movie and a bad one, only ¨what I like and dont like ¨
which isnt the fucking same.
period.
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Wow what a clever post. Let's see we are all stupid and can't spell eh? Let's break down your post shall we? How many time did you type i instead of I? Also "maybe youll instead of you'll, cant instead of can't need I go on? I know I'm not "Mister perfect grammar," but when you accuse others of stupidity maybe you should read you own post first?
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I don't know how people are surprised its gonna be such a humongous hit.
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Polynesians in Armageddon, flips in The Rock, blacks in, well, every movie....I've been telling folks 'round me for years bay is on some 3 leaf clover type sheeeeet.
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Come get me when the Go-Bots movie comes out.
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Those who review movies are like those who work in restaurants - do it for a living and it sucks to do it as recreation. Get a life maybe? Do something worth doing.
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Jun 26, 2009 4:21:36 PM CDT
Oh, and the Transformers learned out language through the Intern
by jedimast3r
...so guess what they talk like? And really what does it matter when compared to other movies like Watchmen?
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Jun 26, 2009 4:26:14 PM CDT
DON MURPHY, WHY DO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH ANTI-SEMITES?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I wouldn’t take anything Supernova aka Jimmy M. Hatcher, of Huntington West Virginia (creator, owner and proprietor of the website The Scorched-Planet), at face value since his site is a repository of hate speech against women, homosexuals, minorities and most especially Jews which is interesting as you were a registered member of that site for several years and have even recently mentioned it on your own personal website donmurphy.net. I wonder what Mr. Steven Spielberg would say about one of his Transformers producers being associated with a site that engages in rampant hate against anyone who isn’t a white conservative and routinely trash talks Jews and makes light of the holocaust? Never mind that members of that site have engaged in harassment campaigns while illegally hacking e-mail addresses on such sites as Hotmail and Yahoo. That’s against federal law last time I check so would you like to explain why you are involved with such characters and complicit in their lawbreaking? How do I know about that site? I first became aware of The Scorched-Planet in early 2004 when someone suggested to me that I might like to join as I had grown tired of AICN and CHUD’s rampant favoritism towards movies where the studio’s involved had lavished exclusive set visits, free premiere tickets and all sorts of freebies and the people who wrote for those sites. I was at TSP for approximately 3 months until I decided that I had enough of their bigoted views. I went there because I thought that it would a website free from the influence of studio money where I could talk freely about movies without fear of being banned as I had by members of AICN and CHUD during various heated arguments over movies and their apparent shilling. Over the next several months I received numerous strange phone calls while at home and at work. Some of the calls were harassment while others were from people who had allegedly gotten into arguments with “me” on various websites before “someone else on that website would give them my phone number. I didn’t realize why this was happening until I revisited The Scorched-Planet and found that my resume had been posted on that site and someone had been posting under my username for several months, starting arguments etc… I asked Mr. Hatcher to remove the resume as it was obvious that someone had hacked my e-mail address more then likely using a keylogging program which is illegal. Mr. Hatcher has repeatedly ignored my requests and over the years I have had various e-mail addresses and facebook accounts hacked by someone who has sent nasty, hate filled letters to people on my friends lists. I even had someone tell me that they traced my IP address which I had though was impossible since I had not even contacted that person. I have subsequently learned that an IP address can be appropriated or even faked which requires a level of skill which is beyond my minimum wage earning capabilities. I even suspect that my own home computer has been hacked on occasion based on the fact that pictures of me have appeared on various websites, pictures that I had never posted anywhere on the internet. A recent example of this sort of thing is my Facebook account which was operational until today. Tell me, have you received any messages through my Facebook account. Please tell me as I don’t appreciate someone mouthing off to people in my name. I prefer to do that myself here at AICN Anyway, getting back to you. I have to wonder why Steven Spielberg would allow someone such as yourself to work on the movies he produces when you have just admitted that you know Jimmy Hatcher who started his website under the guise of democratic internet freedom of expression which apparently was a free pass for people to post hate speech of the most vile kind of which appears to have appealed to you since you joined the site and posted there frequently for a number of years and mentioned both Hatcher and The Scorched-Planet on your own website as well as AICN. Finally, I don’t know about perverted (well, I occasionally like cripple porn which is why I took a shine to Hatchers mom) but I’m glad that you described me as sick and demented as that will be my defense if you ever file a lawsuit against me. I think my condition should be called Internet Tourettes as anyone who has ever known me in real life can attest that I’m loveable, soft hearted and as gentle as a kitten in mittens. I’m going to hate fuck you using a rabid Chihuahua as a condom. See what I mean, oh and your movies are far from good. Hack
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Easy money and all it cost you was your dignity except that you never had any which explains the fucking garbage you produce and put your name on.
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Jun 26, 2009 4:42:00 PM CDT
HEY, GIVEN YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE SCORCHED-PLANET DON....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
It's not suprising that Michael Bay's racism doesn't bother you:)
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C- from the critics , have to wonder about yahoo voters
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Yahoo voters are regular people like most of us that work, go see movies for fun. Critics are self-important hacks that think movies should all be deep works of art that are a model for whatever topic du jour that they want to promote that month. Regular people determine what is good and what is a success not ignorant critics who are out of touch with reality.
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I'm hesitant to say that the story (or at least the story these two came up with) is a problem with this film. The film was loaded with so many Michael Bayisms that it makes me think there is a large gulf between script and film when it comes to Bay's films. Not sure what contributions Kruger made.
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...is wonderfully explained here (taken from a great review I read):
So the Decepticons essentially take over the planet right here. Why they didn't do this previously, I don't know. They hack the TV signals and deliver an ultimatum: Give them Shia LaBoof or they kill us all. See, the symbols in LaBoof's brain are like a map of some sort to a giant alien gun built into a pyramid that, once activated, will blow up the sun. I don't know why they want to blow up the sun. I don't know why they haven't already taken over the planet, given that we see here there are at least dozens of them and that's really all it would take. I don't know why simply taking over the planet isn't enough. Taking over the entire Earth is a means to an end for the Decepticons to blow up the fucking sun. I don't know why this is such a thing for them. There's a lot I don't know.
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I think I'm going to bow out of this discussion since it’s a beautiful day and I’m off work in twenty minutes. I think I’ll go hang out with my friends who like me despite my status in life while you spend your weekend surrounded by ass kissing phonies who are only interested in what you can do for them including your wife who thinks about big black cocks when you fuck her.
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...here you go:
LaBoof is now a fugitive from the FBI and the CIA because, as we learn from Asshole Politician, "the president is considering all options." That's right, Barack Obama wanting Shia LaBoof dead is a major plot point in Transformers 2.
Anyway, old Transformer guy uses the symbols to teleport everyone to Egypt. They all go flying off in different directions in what I imagine Bay thought would be a hilarious bit of physical comedy but all it does is take up like three minutes of an already long movie. Fox of course lands with her face in Hacker Guy's dick because there's something wrong with Michael Bay and LaBoof not inconspicuously hurts his finger. This is how LaBoof's real life accident was accounted for in the script. He fucks up his hand and the next shot of him, a bandage has appeared there. There are no hints given as to where he found a bandage in the middle of the Egyptian desert.
"...asks them to bring Prime's body to Egypt so he can use another ancient plot device to bring him back to life because, as the old Transformer tells us, "Only a Prime can kill a Prime." Of course, we just watched Megatron kill Optimus Prime with very little effort. Jesus Christ, this is a stupid script."
"Practically every joke is about sex or piss or shit or baseless cruelty, every character in the movie is a flaming moron or a vicious stereotype, the whole thing is so tastelessly cynical, and never in a clever, funny, or ironic way. Bay doesn't know about irony. Nobody told him. I like a cynical perspective. I like dick jokes. I like robot dick jokes, sure, why not? But there's something about this movie, I can't entirely explain, maybe because it's so unfunny and the characters are such caricatures but it all comes off as so... mean for the sake of it. Bay hates his characters, he hates his audience, he hates stories, and he'd hate this movie if it didn't have tanks and helicopters and shit."
"if called upon to identify which of the Transformers in this scene were Autobots and which were Decepticons, I wouldn't be able to tell you. They look exactly the same. The rule of thumb, I guess, is Decepticons are black and gray and Autobots are colorful, but there are a few on both sides who buck the trend. So, while some of this action isn't bad on a technical level, I was completely lost through 90% of it."
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Great, you quoted a random guys thoughts on the movie, no one gives a shit.
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Yeah, so sue me. I was laid off some months ago, the job market sucks with nary a call-back, so I have a lot of time on my hands these days.
In summary, although it isn't the worst movie in the world, it's also not very good. In fact, for a movie about giant fighting robots, TF2 was pretty dull. I didn't mind getting up to get something to eat in the middle of the movie, and took my time getting back to my seat, because by mid-way, I was bored to tears.
I was also surprised by how much of a pastiche of other, better movies it is; Bay also lifts entire sequences and shots from other movies which include Jackson' King Kong, Kong vs. 3 T-Rex fight (Optimus Prime forest fight), National Treasure (the Egypt 'key' hunting sequence), the Jason Bourne movies (chase by cop cars in Egyptian street) and a very blatant shot for shot lift from Raiders of the Lost Ark, from the beginning where Indy swipes the golden figure head and replaces it with a bag of sand.
Now, I'm not going to tear down Michael Bay too much, because he has an obvious eye for visuals (the aircraft carrier sinking!), but damn if this movie isn't proof that without a good script, his movies can be as limp as a wet noodle.
The only two sequences where I find myself feeling anything, a hint of emotion, were when Bumblebee comes to Sam's rescue in Egypt, which is a great, rousing fight scene, and a short non-robot scene between Shia's character and the actor who plays his father, again in Egypt.
I know this movie is going to make a mint over this weekend, and that's fine. I'm sure it isn't easy making $200 Million action spectacles, but would it hurt to give us some story and character next time? It worked for Iron Man, Raiders and countless others and those movies still live on. I've also never seen half a theater filled with bored-seeming 12-year olds, getting up and shuffling in and out of the auditorium, but my audience had them.
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All of his movies suck, although The Rock is entertaining simply because he was able to get Sean Connery to give the movie some gravitas. He doesn't even attempt to tell a good story, doesn't attempt any character development, and there is zero drama in his movies. His movies are about action, CGI, explosions, and more action and CGI. Why people go see his movies I just don't understand??? I thought the Dark Knight would be a turning point in ushering in 'thinking man's summer movies, but then I see the shit that has been in the movies this summer, and it back to the usual dummy movies where you leave your brain at the door.
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Geez, though, ladle in the action with generous amounts of story and interesting characters, like say, Empire Strikes Back.
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"His movies are about action, CGI, explosions, and more action and CGI. Why people go see his movies I just don't understand???" Maybe people like to have a good time when seeing a movie?
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And I dont know why anyone would expect anything like it when going to see Transformers. This movie did exactly what it had to do, take everything from the first film and amp it up to the next level. This is all I wanted from the movie, and thats exactly what I got, and surprise surprise I enjoyed it very much.
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The first movie had a lot of charm. Besides the robot action it also had a good amount of emotion, where you felt empathy for the characters. This one, not so much. It was like watching one long, nearly three hour, movie trailer.
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Everyone complained too much time was spent with the human characters, so the focus this time around was more on the robots, specifically the decepticons. Also as for the length, I love how everyone bitches about it when in reality its only 5 minutes longer than the first movie. It could have been 30 minutes shorter but I was much more bored in other recent movies I've seen, Terminator for instance.
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Something about Sean Connery and those interesting looking clusters of green-color-filled balls still mildly entertains me to this day.
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It has a tight, caper structure storyline and good, magnetic performances by Connery, David Morse, Ed Harris and even Cage, who can tend to over-act, but seemed more subdued in that flick.
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I still don't get it. When I go to the movies, I don't want to know what is going to happen before I walk into the theater. Now I am not saying every movie should be 'The Sixth Sense' suprise, but Transformers is just a throw away, forgettable movie that makes alot of noise for 2+ hours. I know it is not my cup of tea, and everyone has a right to enjoy what they like. But I would ask anyone who likes these types of movies who isn't a kid, what is the point? Atleast with The Dark Knight, you didn't know where the movie was going, with movies like Transformers, it is point A to point B to point C, The End.
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"An extended sequence of Mom hopped up on pot brownies"
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...if you like, go see TF2. It won't make your eyeballs bleed, but bring something to read or a Sony PSP, because you WILL find yourself looking at your watch on a frequent basis. Despite the FX and *Booms!*, it's a very flat, lifeless non-movie. Here's to hoping that Bay actually hires a competent writer--Steve Zaillian or Tony Gilroy wouldn't hurt--next time out.
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So much for Harry's boycott. On a sidenote, I've been seeing Autobot and Decepticon logos on vehicles all over town. So don't tell me Bay killed the franchise.
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Most action films have thin storylines: Find the ark, find the grail, save the girl, blow up the death star, run away from the terminator....etc, etc...
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That's the most disturbing post I've ever read on AICN.Why are you posting it here? Is Murphy on these boards?
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Penhall99, and joshua...whatever, excuse my french but please go back to eating dicks. Orci may not comprehend the ugly afterbirth of what his projects resemble, but I bet you dollars to fucking donuts he knew what he was getting into when he decided to step into the thunderdome here. I mean, come on! it's a fucking website dedicated reviews and opinions about reviews. If you've got a hard on for Orci just because he's made it somewhere in Hollywood, then you're just fanning a flame of mediocrity for others to aspire to. I too respect the drive it takes to be in a position to dictate the creative angles of a hugely budgeted movie, but that's about all I can respect. He and Kurtz' got away with Star Trek with pacing just fast enough to make you not bother trying to figure out what the fuck quantum physics theory they thought up to solve a problem, but come on: Eagle EYE?!?! A supercomputer kills a walking plot point by somehow disconnecting a powerline to land precisely on target?!? gimme a fucking break. Fringe is/was a bad X-Files. And Van Wilder basically saved the Proposal. All in all, nothing of merit (yet?) from O & K that makes me hopeful I won't see another stupid idea given steroids. How Ehran Krugar gets work, I don't know.
TF2 is everything it was supposed to be: Big, Dumb, Loud, Expensive, and again Dumb. Only this time I did kinda wonder what the fuck all the kids in the movie theater might pull from it. My guess is nothing. Too much noise and Shit was blowing up way to much to even hear half the dialogue in the film. Plus kids ARE getting smarter, but not that smart - unless you drop f bombs or call each other pussies at the dinner table. It is lame that a movie this violent and lacking in pop-culture restraint is being pandered to kids. But that just illustrates the larger problem of allowing Michael Bay to have his way with a Hasbro cash cow legend. Studios don't care, the writers don't seem to care, Spielberg doesn't seem to care. And nobody's gonna care come 8 months from now anyways. Its a sad state for us movie going folk to have to re-argue this shit, but as long as we have websites LIKE THIS ONE, or you know a pub/living room/watercooler etc etc to talk about why crap films get made and who should be responsible - you're gonna see and hear our fury.
And try not to tug too hard on Orci's junk if you wanna defend him as a working professional. A) it's fairly obvious, and B) there's no excuse for shit filmmaking. Regardless of how successful you think someone has a right to be.
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Okay, I couldn't resist responding: yes, many action pictures (although not as many as you think) have simple seeming story lines, but they're enriched by memorable character moments and themes that run through the movies. It makes them stick in your mind past a few days than it would otherwise.
The examples I keep coming back to are Empire Strikes Back, which is chock FULL of story and character moments AND great action; and Raiders of the Lost Ark, a classic adventure movie. Then again, Orci and Kurtzmann are no Lawrence Kasdan. -
every step of the way with us.
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What are the inherent challenges in writing a sequel? Especially a phenomenally successful one?Also, I understand "Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen" had certain action set pieces in place before the second 60 page scriptment. How do you tailor/tweak scenes that may have already been shot into that kind of structure (I believe Coppola did this on occasion, but his genius speaks for itself).
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If that's really you, I won't rag on about TF2, since I've mentioned my opinion of this flick.
I'll just compliment you for a good job well done on Star Trek.
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Without accusing you of making the Twins racist or saying the are offensive stereotypes, I'll let others decide it they are or are not, can I ask you Bob does it bother you that people see them as racist?
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http://tinyurl.com/nsywhy
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As many have said this is critic proof, high advanced sales etc.
Harry doesn't have the influence he once had.
What I still don't understand is why Don Murphy acted like a 10 year old spoilt brat. He still is delusional in thinking that Bay made a terrific movie, its a so-so movie at best, disappointing might also be an apt description. Its not really a polarising movie, 21% at Rotten tomoatoes is indicative of that. TF1 with 57%, is far more indiccative of a polarising, mixed view on a movie. -
his/hers/our point is that we pay money to be entertained. Hard-earned, not a whole lot floating around right now-money, to hold onto that thin sliver of hope for at least a decent Transformers outing. Not to see a treasure of childhood toy memory be whored out by a piece of shit commercial director (twice), written by people who's indelible mark was Tuturro telling the Navy he was directly under the robot's testicles, and signed off by the guy who brought us Raiders, E.T., and Schindler's List just to name a few. Yes it's a popcorn film, but exists on a lower rund in the caste system of watchable flicks, just below the normal popcorn flicks that at least give the impression there's a working plot.
So go back and choke yourself off to Michael Bay because I can guarantee you he doesn't give a fuck about your idol-worship, and its the closest you'll ever get to him being in the same space with you. Unless you're detailing his porsche en route to cashing the biggest paycheck you'll never see in 5 lifetimes -
Jun 26, 2009 7:27:24 PM CDT
blakindigo thanks for that link - was also wondering what they t
by miyamoto_musashi
Was watching TF2, thinking can this be the same Bob Orci, who is responsible for such a great well written (and with a few really good actors - John Noble in particular, one of the standouts on network TV) show in Fringe.
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But the adaptions of his books haven't been down well, not sure I want to see Dark Tower on the screen.
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See it in B&W.
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Jun 26, 2009 7:34:21 PM CDT
2020 - Transformers Reboot - who do you want to direct it ?
by miyamoto_musashi
Lets assume whoever you chose is still alive, if they are under 70.
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If anyone thinks that, it would bother me. While it is very difficult for me to be personally offended by much, and without agreeing or denying that there a line has been crossed in the movie, Alex and I were aware that it some jokes could give Bay's enemies ammunition to make very negative accusations. We expressed our opinions freely as always.
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...was in regards to story-telling in general, be it novel or film.
I think he's right; people read novels and go to movies for a good story (even a science fiction action adventure story with cool FX). And I enjoyed the hell out of Star Trek, and liked the first TF1, which was why it was so disappointing to watch TF2 and its non-existent story, inexplicably from the same writing team. -
Isn't that overly defensive, and personal, the guy makes a lot of money from a very public industry, he should be ok with both criticism and praise.
Its very childlike to always paint detractors as "enemies", as this will mean he will tend to dismiss all comments, not just the simpleton ones like "Bay you suck". Like most people to become better in life you need to be open to constructive criticism, take it and act on it
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eighties. It had more human drama than most prime time soaps. Didn't really like 'Transformers' except the 1986 movie (I was a kid, and this was before I'd seen uncut Miyazaki movies). So, I don't think I can answer the question fairly. What might be interesting is an adaptation of the tv series "War Planets" from Mainframe Entertainment. It aired in the mid-nineties.
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"Now I want you to memorize everything I say...
RIMMAR RABBA UMMA CABBA UBBA DURRA ZIMMA ZAMMA YAMMA JAMMA CHUMMA DUMMA WUMMA HUMMA CUMMA HUBBA YUBBA ABBA RAMMA ROMMA!"
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I say give it to an up-and-comer.
How about the guy who shot 2nd unit, and pre-vizzed, on Terminator Salvation (and the Pirates movies)? His name escapes me, but I read an interview he did, and he's reportedly signed on to helm one of his own flicks.
Or even Patrick Tatopoulos (okay, I'm biased, I'm a fellow Greek), the SFX guy. He directed Underworld 3, and for a schlocky horror movie, it worked really really well.
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Or too involved? If so, my bad.
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Glad you mentioned Miyazaki, am a huge fan, and one of the most imgainative and greatest storytellers IMHO in the last 20-30 years.
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"What are the inherent challenges in writing a sequel? Especially a phenomenally successful one?"Challenge one is that the novelty has worn off. Two is that you want to give folks that liked the first movie more of what they liked, while also trying to do something new and in a different structure, with higher stakes.
"Also, I understand "Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen" had certain action set pieces in place before the second 60 page scriptment. How do you tailor/tweak scenes that may have already been shot into that kind of structure (I believe Coppola did this on occasion, but his genius speaks for itself)."
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filmmakers. I think that his imagination and vision are unmatched.
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...with Miyamato.
Why should Bay feel like anyone with criticism is an "enemy". We're not his enemies (well, I'm not); we want him, almost rooting, for him to make a really GOOD movie. I like going to movies, enjoying scenes of action and adventure and cool CGI; but I also like an involving plot, and give me an interesting character or two, and a running theme would be nice.
Those qualities aren't anathema to summer popcorn movies. What's wrong with Mr. Bay just taking, selective, but constructive crticism. Jeez, don't listen to ME; one of the best reviewers is online: the SF writer, Orson Scott Card. Bay should be reading that guy's reviews, and maybe giving him a call. -
"Isn't that overly defensive, and personal, the guy makes a lot of money from a very public industry, he should be ok with both criticism and praise.
Its very childlike to always paint detractors as "enemies", as this will mean he will tend to dismiss all comments, not just the simpleton ones like "Bay you suck". Like most people to become better in life you need to be open to constructive criticism, take it and act on it"
Believe me, I am very open to criticism or I wouldn't be here, though you have a point, I think I should be more precise and say that we know Bay is a pop-culture target for many reasons and that we wanted to give audiences less ammunition to criticize the film, that's all. -
Higher stakes and different structure…Damn. Would you attack structure first or tackle the hierarchy of dramatic stakes first?My guess, it would be based on director preference or their strengths?
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You have to, if you work in Hollywood.
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Do you read all the post in this TB or just scam for your name?
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the "Transformers" comics from Dreamwave? If so, how do you think they compared to the movies?
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No, I never did rid that comic. Is it any good?
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The comic was completely unexpected. Artwork was in the 'cell shaded' style and it was fairly violent. The initial 6 issues are worth reading, I'd say.
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was pretty solid, I think. Not exactly as detailed case histories as Larry Hama, but some pretty interesting ideas. The Transformers and GI: Joe fought Cobra.
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http://tinyurl.com/pbbj6e
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Appreciate you work on Star Trek and Finge, keep it up.
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I love how Harry talks about the film being full of foul language and racial stereotypes like he's actually offended. Mr Chocolate fucking pussy juice even calls out Spielberg for attending Baracks inauguration as if only morally perfect people should be showing up to an event like that. Spielberg has nothing to do with this movie except he put up money and will rake the profits. Get over yourself Harry.Just write reviews and stop with the hypocritical preaching.
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I don't know if you read reviews, but check out Orson Scott Card's review of "Star Trek". It's pretty good praise from a solid writer.
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Jun 26, 2009 9:15:26 PM CDT
blakindigio - any Dreamwave collection worth reading?
by miyamoto_musashi
And if more than one, what order ?
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Congradulations on your successes. And allow me to extend an apology on behalf of the genetically complete for the behavior of the self-aggrandizing mouth breathers with delusions of relevancy.
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The movie was good for what it was: a sequel to Transformers. The 3rd act in Egypt really is a horrible mess, but even during that sequence I enjoyed it pretty much anytime a robot was on screen. I don't know what the hell you wanted from this thing Harry. You are so out of touch it's not even funny.
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It's a bit hit or miss. I like "Prime Directive"—I think that's the first series. The order is confusing because Dreamwave had several titles going on simultaneously. The "Transformers/GI: Joe" was pretty good though. Not on the level of a book like "The Authority" or anything, but fun nonetheless.
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The movie was fun mindless entertainment. I saw the movie in JACKSON MISSISSIPPI with a theater full of African Americans and all I heard were laughs whenever the twins were on screen. I didn't see one single person get upset, or comment on the racism while leaving the theater. Lighten up.
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Jun 26, 2009 9:49:27 PM CDT
Boborci, YOU’D FUCK UP WRITING A SNUFF FILM…
by charlesthomasmathews1978
You’d be better off writing porn flicks, that is, the ones with bestiality but then you’d still need Kurtzman to help you with structure and dialogue like “WOOF WOOF”.
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Isn't this the same Harry who wanted to put up the Rules of Attraction poster "outside every theater playing SPY KIDS 2 and LILO & STITCH! I want fragile little minds skull fucked." Yeah, it was a joke, allegedly... That said, false packaging is why my 10 year old doesn't see anything I haven't seen first.
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Given your consistent credibility and articulate observations, and Michael Bay's track record as the modern incarnation of Ed Wood w/ a big budget, I will stay away. But i do have one question:Does it fall into the so bad it's good category? (For a future DVD night w/ friends and alcohol.)
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Jun 26, 2009 9:53:37 PM CDT
Delinquent_Dave, WOULD YOU LIKE SOME CHAPSTICK?
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Your lips must be chafed from all that ass kissing.
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Looks like all of America sure hates those racist robots. Damn them for bring their roboty racist ways.
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I would buy a ticket to TF3 (and also the blu-ray probably) if it featured Unicron. Man that would be cool as shit. Maybe get some Blurr, Ultra Magnus, and some Junkions in there too!
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This movie had comedy it had action and it had drama. All the things that piece of shit universal released called land of the lost lacked. You can honestly give LOTL a rave and not Transformers? C'mon man, your geek cred is seriously become questioned.
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I mean, Don Murphy is the Drew McWeeny of producers and can’t stand the idea of anyone talking shit about him anywhere on the internet which is why he’s a multi-millionaire Hollywood producer with a dozen credits and a 200 million dollar film in theatres and yet is compelled to trash talk to a Canadian burger flipper who gets the better of him by making fun of his complete lack of masculinity and small cock which is why he constantly needs to assert himself through his bank account rather then through the quality of his work or strength of his character and that’s because he has displayed neither. He’s just a money grubbing pussyface but I’m guessing the reason you’re here is because as a, AHEM, “writer” you constantly seek validation as an artist which is why you come here for some ass kissing and that’s because you know you might get it from some of the mental defectives here at AICN who might defend your trash because they have no taste and like paying to be treated like retards or the others who get wet at the idea of connecting with anyone in the industry even if that person is a talentless script whore who is the equivalent of a Mexican day laborer shoveling shit for a white man. 1000 dollars a week.
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Would you like a butt plug to stem the flow of your diahrettic drivel? Or is the one you already have just not in at the moment? Maybe pull it out of your mother's mouth and spare us your repetitve and decidedly uncreative pseudo-insults. Hate to tell you chum, even Bob Orci could write better stuff than you've come up with...
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Jun 26, 2009 10:51:49 PM CDT
Blakindigo, Boborci's CHALLENGE OF WRITING PART 2 WAS…
by charlesthomasmathews1978
To go full retard, well, Orci and Kurtzman have proved that they were not only up to that challenge but reached such new depths of anti-intellectualism that they somehow managed to kill both Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson on the same day.
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CharlesThomasMathews1978. Geezus man, what's the matter? Isn't Hollywood filmmaking about commercial product? They're not making "L'Atalante" and I don't think the system as it stands would support films of that ambition. Most visionary filmmakers have been making films for over 40 years; they lived through the cultural revolutions of the 1960's and 1970's; as a by-product of living in that era; they expanded the language of the artform. But, that's due to a very specific set of circumstances; their sensibilities weren't linked to demographic marketing, which is a requirement of Studio filmmaking in the 21st Century.
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"as a by–product of living in that era, they expanded the language…"
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I bet half of the naysayers jumped on the trashwagon once more followers jumped on Sparticus Harry's wagon. Form your own damn opinions. We all know the tide would be turned on the site if the asshole actually liked the film. People still try to make others feel inadequate if they don't agree with one another here which overlies the fact that many here just like to annoy and be part of the bandwagon. What a shame..
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The Robots beat the crap out of each other was more of the same -- fun, bigger, louder, etc.
Fox is still hot for Dads and adult male who want to take her in the shower and elsewhere (wank away in privacy boys).
But the stuff that's terrible as noted above are seat-squirmers at times for an adult, plus some of that language my kid at nearly 7 knows not to repeat, say, etc. Like the first film, it's a B-movie with an A-movie budget. It may beat out Trek's box office but in no way at all is any of it "better" - not a chance.
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Canadian. I AM CANADIAN, and believe me, there's not a soul in this country who's even half the worthless douchbag he is.
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When did Canadians become so militant about movies?
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Jun 26, 2009 11:07:27 PM CDT
Delinquent_Dave, I COULD USE YOUR BRAIN AS A BUTT PLUG....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Because it’s soo small except that you’ve already got your head so far up your fucking asshole that you’ll probably travel back in time and end up back in your mothers womb where I hope she succeeds in stabbing your brain with that fucking coat hanger thus sparing us from another ass kissing cuntface. The fact that you are congratulating someone for helping to destroy North American cinema reveals what a fucking cretin you are. I’m sure you’ll be first in line when Bay, Orci and Kurtzman reunite for a 300 million dollar movie called GIVE US YOUR FUCKING MONEY SUCKERS : THE MOTION PICTURE IN 3D!
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I'd just like to remind everyone that Drag Me To Hell was a piece of trash, and I still have yet to meet anyone claiming to like it who is not also a Sam Raimi fanboy. Drag Me To Hell is still the worst movie I've seen in 2009, including video.
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Is re-released every year.
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Sure, the older summer blockbusters had simple plots too, but they SOME depth, and was still an interesting story. Say what you want about Star Wars and the basic good vs evil story, but what makes it stand the test of time is the characters, the drama, the humor, the magic moments, not just the special effects. Great movies are defined by memorable scenes no matter what genre they are. Can you name ONE memorable scene in any Michael Bay movie? Even Jaws has a simple plot, but it is a great movie, because the audience actually gives a fuck about the characters, and that is what all these CGI-loaded movies lack, they are movies with NO soul! If that floats your boat, then keep plopping down 10 bucks for explosions and CGI, but when I see a movie, I want more then that, and as long as people keep plopping down money for this shit, then Hollywood will accomodate. Supply = Demand, and going from these talkbacks there are enough people here that will pay money to be entertained by a mindless movie. Oh well, what can you do?
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No need to take things personal dude. For chrissakes we're talking about a movie based on a goddamn toy. Try decaf.
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I most certainly WILL be first in line when Bay, Orci and Kurtzman reunite for a 300 million dollar movie called GIVE US YOUR FUCKING MONEY SUCKERS : THE MOTION PICTURE IN 3D! and apparently you'll be right there with me since you've seen every movie they've made even though you profess to despise them. So which of us is the bigger cretin? The guy who sees a couple of movies he doesn't much give a shit about, or the guy who lines up to see a couple of movies that drive him into a preadolescent frenzy?
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it runs an hour too long.Since when does Harry know anything about "running"?
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Jun 26, 2009 11:30:29 PM CDT
blakindigo, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
When you have access to 200 million dollars I think it’s a fucking sin to waste it on garbage like this when there are thousands of great books out there that would make not only intelligent but highly commercial movies. Notice how most of the movies that get made today are remakes, based on cartoons and adaptations of old TV shows? The problem is that Hollywood has become completely illiterate. Back in the 60’s and 70’s the question executives and producers asked wasn’t “what can we repackage and resell to modern audiences?”, it was “what are some good books/story’s that we could option and develop?” which is why you had great movies like The Godfather 1 and 2, The French Connection and Midnight Cowboy while quality writers produced fantastic original screenplays like Taxi Driver, Chinatown and Network, you know, movies that were about something. That’s not to say that there wasn’t plenty of fluff and mindless entertainment made but today it seems that’s 90% of what does get produced falls into that category as budgets become more astronomical, I mean, am I the only person here that is severely bothered that we are now in the era of 200 to 300 million dollar movies when directors have access to digital technology that should be ushering us into a new golden age of cinema by giving unrestrained freedom to people with a vision other than explosions and toilet humor?
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Harry - you're my new hero. What a great review! My husband and I went to see it opening day and although we enjoyed the action (and I though Mrs. Witwicky was hysterical!), we were distressed and annoyed by the gratuitous profanity, sex and racism. We work with children and sitting in a theater full of kids under 15 made us and loads of other parents terribly uncomfortable. I don't know what college Bay went to (if he did) but his depiction of college girls as "hoes" is As we review movies we want to recommend or take young people to see, I am now on a mission to forward this review to everyone I know to at least warn them before taking their kids. Spielberg should be ashamed and Bay slapped repeatedly.
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It's crammed to the gills with dumbness, could have been miles better, and in fact is rather insulting to the intelligence for pretty much the entire running time. Yet for some reason, I enjoyed the hell out of it. Guess I'm in touch with my inner lowbrow moron.
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a 2 hour ripoff of someone else's ideas retrofitted around robots.
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I put off seeing this movie until tonight. I watched the Tomatometer plunge to 21% with a sinking feeling; I read the hate posts on AICN and thought this movie must really be the steaming pile that public opinion convicts it of being. But with precious little in the way of blockbusters this summer, I needed my fix, headed out tonight and am now back from hearing people of all colors and ages cheer and clap all through this Friday night bout of escapism. Sure there were groans at the embarrassing moments but no offense taken by anyone, because IT'S JUST A MOVIE. Gold teeth, street slang, wiseguy talk, cockeyes, jockstraps, humping dogs, brownie benders and fart jokes aside, I was reminded what going to the flicks - A SCI-FI FLICK - is all about: carefree abandon, a tall tale, a good time,future tech, aliens trying to blow up our sun, giant robots fighting, and watching our heroes beat the bad guys in wall to wall entertainment, conquering even the grave to get the job done. Bay, Orci and team deliver this in spades. Apologies on behalf of the crappy posts in this forum, boys: you delivered another film that gave value for money. These guys clearly know who their audience is, because movies is about making money as much as telling a tale. And this movie hits that audience between the eyes. It's not the politically correct reviewers who take themselves so seriously they can't help but malign a movie to find their 15 minutes of fame. Go make a masterpiece yourself. As the opening credits proclaim, the film is presented in association with Hasbro. They make TOYS and vacuous CARTOONS. So unless you're in the demographic that keeps action figures on your bookend and make whoosh noises in the sandpit (oh, you are?), you're not really the target audience here. Would you have loved Jar Jar, the Goonies and Gremlins as a pubescent teen, while you cringe at them as a grown up? Maybe. Same with the farts, balls and banality here. So get over it. I found that going into this film with such dread, I left delighted at how good it is. Shakespeare? No. But it doesn't claim to be. It's Giant Robots blowin' stuff up. That said, what made this get a PG-13 should have been cleaned up for a wider PG audience. There was a lot of Eddie Murphyesque self indulgence in the script. Did I cringe? Sure did. Character development? Read Alan Dean Foster's excellent novelization and prequel if you want flesh on them bones. Did any of what's missing make my experience a bad one? No, there's more than enough action, spills and wonder in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen to entertain anyone who still goes to the movies because it's an escape to enjoy, not a job to comment on. Next I'll take my son to see this and have a whopping good time all over again. And then I'll probably try IMAX as Harry suggests. Because dammit people, it's a movie, and we go to those to have fun, remember? So grab the popcorn and soda, and check your apprehension at the ticket counter. It's summertime, and this IS two and a half hours of franchise tentpole movie-making we should cheer for. Two thumbs way up (my ass probably, but yeah, I really liked it). Peace out. Soapbox returned.
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he used to be phartegoddprime
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Jun 26, 2009 11:44:29 PM CDT
Delinquent_Dave, I'VE NEVER PAID TO SEE THEIR FILMS….
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I leave that to the slack jawed troglodytes like you that I see lined up at the box office like lab rats waiting for a feeder pellet. I’d rather wait a few weeks and watch them online for free where I can have a bucket next to me to puke in.
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Don't get out much, do ya?Better not see LAND OF THE LOST either!Married and still a Ms?
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You're still watching it, moron. That's like if I were to watch gay porn and complain how gross it was. You're really blind to your own idiocy, huh?
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the little boys in the theater today were kindly the mums had butter around their mouths the popcorn was hot when the lights went down the theater was very dark i could almost remember what it felt like to be inside my mother...
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Racism didn't have much to do with it.
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i have ten oily eyesores when did love become sloppy? why is dinner always announced like it's a damn cavalry charge? when did love become opulent, a giant robot's giant green gun, and gold tooth? there should be a law against henry, mr bones. and a decal of a decepticon stencilled onto the back window of my neighbor's red SHO dump the avalanche of trash, FHM, my blisters...your hand will grow...
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i have ten oily eyesores when did love become sloppy? why is dinner always announced like it's a damn cavalry charge? when did love become opulent, a giant robot's giant green gun, and gold tooth? there should be a law against henry, mr bones. and a decal of a decepticon stencilled onto the back window of my neighbor's red SHO dump the avalanche of trash, FHM, my blisters...your hand will grow...
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the man is rags and understood are the rich who, a few years back, celebrated the arrival of a young pianist who could play a very difficult piece of ribbon through a typist...taking into account his handlessness he was happy to not play at all, reallywhat was he saying? no it was that they were listening to nothing but silence is a fixable thing i suppose while all afternoon the dog has been barking, the dark clockwork of a disassembled doll becomes an old man's reclamation project the saw-dust covered floor of his old imagination box...a little bit yes...blown off or up, depending on the ticket.
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I'm over it when did Mandy learn what rueful meant? a week went by i suppose i ought to start brushing my teeth who knew... when most robots "achieve" consciousness partial urges, cluttered mindscapes although my uncle is innately suspicious of all machines the telephone cauled in oil i would rather not get into that story i had some sort of experience the other day at a coffee shop like a movie except there weren't any cameras or people there, in person at least but i think i mentioned that already! oh well...tomorrow I'll think of a question for a structure the floor or the window or must i focus on the story of your being there? or my being in there? like in a room or something?
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Dear Dr...
Married over 30 years to a wonderful man, raised a family and I've traveled more, seen more an done more than I imagine you may have. Not only that - I teach kids who are affected and effected by what they inculcate on tv and the big screen. If you work with, and are in tuned to young people, you come to know what and how they are affected by what they see and hear. What you as an adult, I assume, are able to process and separate into usable and un-usable information, children cannot always make the distinctions and take it all in as OK and normal. They also don't always have the venue to discuss what they see beyond, T I watched a child, approximately 2yrs during the movie. At some points he clapped and laughed. At other points, appeared terrified and was in tears. Please - let's not make this personal. -
1.) The Studios of Old, were basically family business that became huge corporations. Their founders died and the companies were purchased by conglomerates. These studios, now part of behemoth multinational corporations, agencies that have an enormous, hungry, bottom line are created with he sole purpose to produce MORE PROFIT. So, their reason to exist is mostly created around profit-margins and revenue.2.)Marketing runs most media; it's easier to sell a known brand if it's repackaged (remakes anyone?) for a new audience. This is the reality of the current system.When faced with these PRIMARY considerations, there's no room for truly 'original content' and that bring us to point 3.)The audience. Is the audience really discriminating? Or do they want to enjoy a night out with friends or lovers etc., watch a movie and relax from the trials of a 40+ hour work week? If a movie is mildly entertaining, not too ambitious, offensive or outside social norms, it generally makes enough of a profit to help keep the studios running. The mega-budgeted summer blockbuster usually pays for the smaller films that don't do gonzo box office. I'm not defending this system, it is what it is.In that formula where does an ambitious, or 'visionary' story fit? How do you convince your boss that a film that stretches boundaries will make an insane amount of profit? Or do you take a known property (toys, video games, remakes, reboots, children's tv shows, theme park rides) and mine that vein for profit?Again, I'm not defending this system, just pointing out the reality of it. Is there room for a movie like "2001: A Space Odyssey" in that structure?
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Jun 27, 2009 12:21:44 AM CDT
Delinquent_Dave, OF COURSE I WATCH IT YOU STUPID CUNT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
It makes me appreciate good movies even more but they still never get a cent from me. You must be from Alberta since that’s where most of the conservative retards live.
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Thats all this movie is to me a giant pile of robotic poop!!!!
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Dear Dr...
Married over 30 years to a outstanding man, raised a family and I've traveled more, seen more an done more than I imagine you may have. Not only that - I teach kids who are affected and effected by what they inculcate on tv and the big screen. If you work with, and are in tuned to young people, you come to know what and how they are affected by what they see and hear. What you as an adult, I assume, are able to process and separate into usable and un-usable information, children cannot always make the distinctions and take it all in as OK and normal. They also don't always have the venue to discuss what they see beyond the basic movie review with their friends. I watched a child, approximately 2 years old during the movie. At some points he clapped and laughed. At other points, appeared terrified and was in tears. I would hope, if you have a young daughter, that she would not buy into the "college girls as hoes" image portrayed. Wouldn't you be upset! I enjoyed the action and am a big sci-fi fan, which is why I went to see the movie in the first place, BUT - as many others have stated - cutting a hour of the crap out would greatly improve the movie.
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Nowhere near Alberta. Northern Ontario, with frequent trips south. Feel free to shoot me your contact info, I'd love to watch you have one of your seizures live.
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I readz it.
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I'm almost certain that the theatre I attended had turned the sound down as an overreaction to complaints from the audience. There was no ambient sound at all during non-action scenes, only music and voices. Then it still seemed pretty quiet and subdued during the action sequences.
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I can only shake my head as I hear the millions being raked in for this schlock. It sooooo doesn't deserve to make a single dime, but Bay n' Friends will make a mint... which will only assure a 3rd installment. I'm so long past hating Bay for his treatment of Transformers. As you touched on here, Harry, Spielberg is starting to garner some of my ire. How can he put his name behind this shit? It's just so sad. :(
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Do the twins at least say niggah or beyotches? I won't watch it unless they say niggah or beyotches...
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Jun 27, 2009 1:18:32 AM CDT
blakindigo, IT'S ALL TIED INTO CORPORATIZATION....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
I've read Easy Riders/Raging Bulls and it pretty much explains how, after the collapse of the studio system, young upstart writers, producers, and directors took advantage of the geriatric studio heads, who were completely out of touch with the modern day audiences of that time, and ushered in the greatest era of American cinema. But it all came to and end once Wall Street scum moved in after they saw the profits of Jaws and Star Wars while a plethora of spectacular failures by some of the biggest Directors of the era gave those people the excuse they needed to reestablish the star system and update the studio system where they enlisted and gave marching orders to flashy/shallow directors who were more concerned with the visual aesthetics of the movies they were making rather than the content. Movies became more like music video’s and commercials which isn’t a coincidence as many Directors of the 80’s got their start in those fields as opposed to the previous generation who had established themselves through short films and features. Music video’s and commercials are all about selling which is why Hollywood recruited soo many of these Directors because with the corporate structure it all became about the hard sell. There’s no reason that more intelligent, challenging and entertaining movie couldn’t be made today but the modern day system is designed to suppress those types of movies by making it financially inconceivable for anyone to make a movie in Hollywood for a reasonable amount of money. Studio’s just don’t want to make movies for intelligent people because they know there is only a small audience for those types of flicks and they are rarely large grossers, so they don’t even try and it’s because the people who are in charge of the studio’s and marketing are creatively bankrupt and wouldn’t know how to create a campaign to sell that movie if their lives depend on it. So the movies they make today are based around the marketing rather then the narrative needs of the story. This is why Transformers Revenge of the Fallen, indeed Michael bay’s entire catalogue, feels more like a collage of ideas and scenes from other, better movies and that’s because it’s been reversed engineered with a checklist of elements that they feel they need to market the movie to the broadest demographics possible. Essentially making the movie for everyone and no one which is why the movie will initially have a huge box office but will be forgotten within a few years time because they’re an empty, soulless enterprise without a point of view or any vision beyond simplistic technical proficiency. If movies don’t cost 200 million then they don’t need to make that much to turn a profit but Ceiling Cat forbid that the studio’s would try to make lower budgeted movies because as George A. Romero once said in an 1982 issue of Cinefantastique “no one is willing to approach this business sanely with small but steady profits” and that’s because the stockholders of these studio’s demand profit increases every quarter and want to see gigantic, braindead blockbusters get made because a huge opening weekend ensures that their stocks will skyrocket. Until this era of rampant Hollywood corporatism subsides we as North American cinemagoers are going to continue to have our choices of movies to watch at a theatre become more narrow with each year until we are left with nothing but trash like Transformers Revenge of the Fallen.
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Ms Teacher is right that kids can't distinguish fact from fiction. There was what looked like an 8 year old a few seats away from me at T2. The 2012 trailer played, followed by The Last Airbender. Even after the gooey wonder of seeing Ang and the Fire Nation realized on screen, the kid was still disturbed by what he saw with 2012 a full three minutes earlier. Ang didn't make a dent. I heard a very young, very concerned voice shout "Mom, movies aren't real are they? The world's not really going to end in 2012? I want to grow up first!" Bless his frightened little heart.
But he didn't know any better (and neither did his mom for taking an 8 year old to a PG-13 film). But this kid is who T2 was really made for. Kids don't know that 2012 is just a fiction any more than they don't know the Pyramids have been x-rayed to discover hidden passages and not one trace of an alien weapon is at the tip. They can't tell that there's no such thing as Decepticons masquerading as Cylons at college, or that they can't really lay probes in your throat with their metal tongues like the facehugger in Alien. They don't know there's no such thing as robot heaven, and that the digital red oil spurting out of the Decepticons' mouths wasn't real blood. Kids take it all literally, and thank the god of that robot heaven that Witwicky and Optimus lived to fight another day. Maybe that kid will sleep tonight instead of needing therapy for the desensitizing blow to innocence he received tonight.
But the good folk on this forum are, I expect, older than this 8 year old. Old enough to know T2 is a fiction, and not worth filling a chatroom with poison as if it's of real world importance.
Where have the lovers of movies gone on this site? Harry you really need to reboot the purpose of these blogs.
OK, I'll go first. T2:ROTF is a sci-fi action movie. There were some sci-fi aspects that had my inner geek cheering. Even though the ruins of Petra have been overexposed ever since Indy took us there in The Last Crusade, it was damn cool to see a graveyard of Primes buried behind a chamber wall and have Sam's hero moment shattered as the Matrix of Leadership turns to dust after the seal is broken. I loved when Ravage (tigerbot) comes bounding out of the ocean seamlessly, claws sparking across the tarmac, with twin guns on its back and a mouthful of Aeon Fluxesque nanobearings, and then to see these form a bot that's so paper thin it's one-dimensional (yeah I know, like the acting), I haven't seen that type of infiltrator before, and I felt it was wholly original, a great invention. There's a lot of quality sci-fi in this movie. And as with any sci-fi, you have to suspend your disbelief.
What Leia spat at Tarkin is true with this film: the more you tighten your grip the more will slip through your fingers. So let go, trust your feelings, and get the only big budget sci-fi fix this side of Cameron's next, on the big screen where it belongs. Viva la Cinema! I'm still a believer.
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One of the areas where toxic waste was dumped into the water supply causing permanent brain damage in all the locals not to mention flipper babies?
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All dat an' a bag o' chips, but I won't go unless da twinz say niggah or beyotches...
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He's "cleverly" trying to tell you that it's shit, but still recommends you go see it, so the ad money keeps flowing.
Star Trek, also written by Kurtzman & Orci is not as shitty as this only because of the actors trying their best to save it.
The script still makes the movie a pile of shit. It's got the same type of "humour" in some of the scenes, so Bay is not the only one at fault here. I love the first 2 seasons of Alias, and this is far below what these guys can do.
Everyone wants to hire them now, but that means they have no time to write a decent script, let alone polish it. Expect part 3 to be even shittier, more racist, profane, sexist, military propaganda, Decepticon penises and buttholes, anal sex jokes, Turturro in a shit-bukkake scene, bestiality if we're lucky...
After all it's for the kids. Kids love that kind of stuff, and the half hour toy commercials certainly were full of such moments, as much as I can remember. Bay is just being faithful to the cartoon.
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John Turturo should commit suicide for his roles in these movies. And I liked 'em!
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How many of us went to see Phantom Menace even though the reviews were terrible, and how many of us also own the dvd while claiming to hate the movie?
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Jun 27, 2009 1:45:27 AM CDT
I WANT TO SEE MEGATRON BRICK INTO STARSCREAM'S MOUTH!!!
by charlesthomasmathews1978
While Arcee gives Prime a golden shower. Or Unicron fuck a hole in a planet with his gigantic robotic cock. The Quintessons can suck off five Sharkticons at a time while Bluur fucks and sucks everyone on Cybertron in under five minutes.
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want. They want the 'big payoff'. A guaranteed hit. And, every year they get it. Every. Year. The job of the director in this case is to satisfy the client, which is the studio executives and their shareholders first. The audience is secondary.I can't blame the writers, directors, for doing the job they were hired to do. I CAN blame the system for stifling creativity and originality. But, how can it change? A $200 million dollar tentpole picture has the potential of grossing over a billion dollars in several markets. Generating that much money, minus net profits, commands a lot more attention than a film like "Days of Heaven," tragically. But, if your making a cultural export that helps reinforce nakedly capitalist ideals, then Terrence Malick isn't part of your agenda. But, let's not delude ourselves, how is a film like "Transformers:Revenge of The Fallen," affecting the artform of film? It's simply a commercial product. Essentially, the film should be nominated for a Clio, not judged using the aesthetics of film—that type of judgement isn't applicable to this type of marketed infomercial.
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Gratuitous profanity, sex and racism? What the hell movie did you people watch? There wasn't much cursing, and what little was there is perfectly within the boundaries of a PG13 film. The only sex I remember is between two awkward dogs for less then 2 seconds. Racism? OK...if you consider bright green and orange robots to be african american, that's YOUR racism, not mine. This movie is PG 13 and perfectly within those boundaries, morons. I like how everybody is now the morality cops. I guess you all are in bed because you have to go to church in the morning to pray forgivness for hearing the word "bitch" in a PG13 film.
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CharlesThomasMathews1978: really, your post on the studio system is the best thing you've written in this forum. You nailed it, amen. A great contribution. Possibly the exception to the rule this year will be Duncan Jones' "Moon". I wonder, if the studio gave him $100 million would he have made the film better than what he's done for $5 million? Could Rockwell have acted any better? Films that show a great arc in the character's journey, where you care about what happens to these characters more than the effects, don't need the studio formula to be a success. I hope Moon will demonstrate that to the studios, and we might see a renaissance in storytelling as a result, regardless of budget. Spend less on production of great stories that get repeat eyeballs + throw a decent marketing budget at it to fill the theaters = more profit. Surely one of these Wall Street studio rapists can do their math on that. Spielberg did it after Duel. I hope Jones will do it after Moon. Which studio head will be next to see the pattern and get it right instead of the lemming brigade now in charge of bankrupting our cinematic culture?
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Honestly, See it on IMAX. I was surprised, the twins are funny, they're totally eminem type wiggas. The Special effects are incredible. Stop listening to bitter critics, honestly. People were cheering, applauding and laughing all the way.
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that this is *the* bob orci commenting on this board. I know he answered questions on TrekMovie.com about that movie, but really people, are we just accepting this on faith? It's pretty easy to create a fake handle here. For instance, I hate to squash anyone's hopes and dreams, but I am *not* Socrates. Unless I missed something (in which case I apologize) i refuse to believe this is the Bob Orci until Harry blackboxes him. Maybe it's the cynic in me, but you people seem to be so eager to be able to discuss a movie with someone who may or may not have been involved in the production that you're willing to overlook how easy it would be to fake this kind of thing.
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It's supposed to be a movie FOR KIDS. It's based on a half hour TOY COMMERCIAL from the 80's tha that was also made FOR KIDS.
The content is inappropriate for children to watch, but still many parents have taken their kids to see it, because they were fooled to believe that's not the case.
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The weekend crowd is filling the cinemas now. They're the real test, not the weeknight warriors who've been sounding off so far. The numbers will speak for themselves. They'll be Prime numbers for sure. And even the Tomatometer might crank up a few notches. Who knows? It really is a fun movie if you let it be. Folks, go see it again and let it take you for a ride. They have a wide selection of cars, trucks and planes to choose from.
And fubukid: the wiseguybot does say beyotch, when the beyotch is torching its eye. It ain't no Twin, but hopefully it's the goodness you're looking for niggah.
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I saw a lady putting on a strap-on and fucking a guy, that was the first porno I saw. And I turned out alright.
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That is all
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Why don't you and mitortilla go suck each other off instead of trolling this talkback?
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There's too much money invested in this commercial infrastructure to change.Consider what it takes to make a $200 million dollar film; the resources, the man hours, the amount of labour, taxes, interest on loans, back end deals and pre-sales. That's a huge amount of contract negotiations and lawyer fees. Then, add marketing and product tie-ins. Where talking about an astonishing amount of money. Why? Because the pay-off is HUGE. Where talking staggering amounts of money.Also, include back-end deals and network deals. All of this starts BEFORE a script is completed. Trade union deals are in place for years and these negotiations take months.A system that intricate doesn't change overnight.
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Jun 27, 2009 2:30:17 AM CDT
I just have to say thank GOD we don't listen to critcs
by lockesbrokenleg
Critics hated the first Star Wars.
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If a person decides to take a child to see a movie that is PG13, then that is their questionable parenting choice and they should be prepared for what a PG13 movie has in it to deserve the rating, which is why the ratings exist. Duh.
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Your name is MGDC and you are complaining about this movie? Idiot.
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Jun 27, 2009 3:07:58 AM CDT
I will be suprised if we look back at TF2 in 30 years time..
by miyamoto_musashi
and see it as a cult favourite.
Though maybe we (human race) will be so fucked up by then, we will all be turned on by watching 14 year old she-males being stabbed in the gut,then fucked in the stab wound.
And the word "cunt" will be so common that in Season 38 of 24, Jump (Jack's grandson and replacement,and yes everyone's name will be an action word then) will use "cunt" in place of "damn it" -
Yes the content is inappropriate for kids. I agree. It objectifies women, hints at infidelity, shows alcohol and drug use, includes profanity, has images of violence and terror a young audience can't filter as fiction (as MsTeacher pointed out)...and that's why it got a PG-13 sticker as a warning that while the cartoon was action and morality for Saturday mornings, the movie has a darker tone than you'd expect from a cartoon. So I don't buy that any parent was fooled by clever marketing. Read Wikipedia's entry on motion picture ratings and you'll see the rating given to T2ROTF is right on the button. What parent could expect a kid-friendly romp? This isn't the Care Bears Movie. It's a Michael Bay movie! If it says PG-13, it's for a reason. We saw on the trailer there would be violence, mayhem and ass shots. No surprise the film delivers more. And no amount of blaming the filmmaker can account for poor parenting choices. I have a 9 yo and a 13 yo gagging to see this flick. The youngest will love the action scenes, but that's no trade-off for the "education" other scenes will give him, which he's not ready for. That's a parenting choice. My choice. I don't foist it on others. I don't blame Bay for putting the candy on the table; I just won't let my child take it. And one of the toughest parts of parenthood is making those calls. If people let their kids see it then complain afterward feigning innocence, doesn't that smack of Decepticon behavior somehow?
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Better than Pirates 2, Fantastic Four 2, most of the X Men movies, better than Spidey Three. Better than Attack of the Clones. About as good as Spidey 2. Better than Superman Returns, etc.
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Nosir…
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Yes and no. His ugly, bigoted views on gay marriage have marred his reputation though. Probably permanently.
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—does he have a personal beef with Ehren Kruger, maybe? That could taint his enjoyment of the picture.I don't think the JJ Abrams link has traction though. Tony Gilroy did work on that other monstrosity, along with Jonathan Hensleigh. I refuse to blame them for that mess.
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How many people who saw this movie do you think actually know what a rating this movie has, or who the director is, who stars in this.
I'd say barely anyone outside the geeks who visit sites like Imdb.
It's not widespread knowledge.
Hardly anyone probably reads reviews before seeing a film.
The decision what movie to see is mostly made on the spot, by choosing the prettiest poster, with a title that they like best or in this case reminds them of a TV show thy watched as kids. They think it's the same thing as that only a live-action movie. So in their eyes it's ok to take their kids, because honestly - genitalia on robots, robots farting, pissing, puking, cursing, sex jokes, dogs humping, offensive blatant stereotyping, military propaganda. Who would expect that in a movie based on toys? Did you expect this? Did you want this? Bay himself said it's for kids. So basically what people have is his word for it and the positive association with the cartoon. Such things have no place not only in this movie, in any movie. Bay got so cocky that he inserted so much disgusting crap believing he could get away with it just by lying that it's for kids. We cannot allow that to happen. -
I thought I'd give you guys the viewpoint of some of us from across the pond in the UK. Interestingly or not, the film press have been pretty kind to the movie and make little or no mention of the negative aspects. I'm not naieve enough to think that some of the publications are so far up the film companies ass that they could give them a tonsilectomy. Anyway, I gotta say I was very much looking forward to a second installment of the franchise. Bigger? Better? Who knew.
For once, and it doesn’t happen very often, I whole heartedly agree with Harrys review and most if not all of the negativity leveled at the movie is well deserved. I could write an essay on what was wrong with this movie, but most of you have that pretty much covered. Spielberg should be ashamed of himself, the writers never allowed to submit this kind offensive crap ever again, and Bay should retire. Period
What's the target audience? Cos I certainly wouldn’t take my kids to see this!!
I read with some interest the comments by Bob Orci and kudos to the guy for coming on here and answering his critics which takes some balls, maybe even bigger than Devastors (I mean seriously guys?! hang your heads in shame! How the fuck did that ever make into the script, and don’t get me started on robot heaven which got a collective groan from the entire cinema). The point is I don't buy this "its hard to make sequels" bollocks. Look at Dark Knight!! Better in every way imaginable. Also when you think about it, look at what Batman became (referring to Tim Burtons and Chris Nolans). So long as the story is good, so what if its based on a superhero? or toy or whatever, it can still be a great movie.
Btw Bob, did Peter Cullen ask for more money btw? cos I was wondering why you killed him off for half of the movie…inspired idea to resurrect him btw, we didn’t see that one coming
It's probably going to make tons of money and they'll keep churning out this shit until the franchise is completely dead.
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Bravo! I think I actually love you a little bit.
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I am so sad that I contributed $12.50 to this piece of garbage.
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and I really have to agree with you. Spielberg should be fucking ashamed of himself...im not even a parent and I thought the humour (while some of it was funny) was completely inappropriate for kids, there were so many sexual innuendos. The twins were for me far more annoying and retarded than offensive. The script is a new all time low for Orci and Kurtzman, its beyond dumb. The Fallen was a crappy villain, and the action was actually boring imho. The effects were good, and there were some cool elements of the old cartoon in there (Megatron and Starscream fighting, the paln to blow up the sun etc..) And I second that Bay needs to retire...who the fuck was this film made for?? He has fuckall understanding of plot, characterization, thmeatic content etc...I just give up.....The Summer is officially a waste of time imho. Bring on the end of the year and please give me Avatar, where the wild things are, sherlock holmes etc...
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making recruitment videos for the arm/air force?? I have nothing against either, but for fucks sake its getting old now, I was just so damn tired of all the pointless military shit all the time....
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So i disagree with the internets. Prime forest fight was worth the price of admission alone.
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Good show Harry. I was looking to see if this was decent for kids, and from what your saying, my kids will be the only boys who don't. Kudos.
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as confirmed here:
http://tinyurl. com/noqyo4
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There wasn't anything more objectionable in TF:ROTF than say, "Goonies" or "Monster Squad". Both of which contain their fair share of ethnic stereotypes and toilet humor. Don't listen to Harry, as usually he's far off-base with his review.
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anything more objectionable than the Goonies?! what frickin planet are you on?! to my knowlegde jive talkin' gold toothed, homie robots, little people being referred to as munchkin and every racial stereotype imaginable weren't in the goonies - and don't get me started on the anti-arab and pearl harbour references. You sound like the sort of brain fart that Bay is aiming this craptacular at. I bet you lapped it up!
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Jun 27, 2009 8:50:08 AM CDT
It's not only for kids! 13 year olds are not innocent anyway...
by karimkai
For god sakes it's made to touch base with the original fans as well, which are 30-somethings now. It's no Disney rated G film and did you forget Walt Disney's peronal views on race? Or is it because his company puts out wholesome movies it's cool? Their was racist overtones in The Lion King even thought it was a good film (the heyenas)and let's not forget the lesson of intolerance from The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Ages 13 and up have been tainted already...walk pass a group of kids 13-17 and you'll hear profanity almost as bad as SUPERBAD(loved that film). All profanity and stereotypes aside, I recommend seeing the film because it was more of everything I wanted extra from TF1: more robot story, more action, Optimus not being a wuss when it comes to fighting Megatron. Man did he show why he's a Prime. Let me not forget the fact that they managed to make Bumblebee formdible in the movies so far. Like it or not, I enjoyed it, just stop shouting the same shit critics are saying and learn to follow your own opinions unless you have no interest in TF at all. Like for example, I think the premise for all the SAW movies is dumb and have no desire to see any of em and I came to that decision after watching the trailer. .I said "what's this? people are being trapped and forced to lose an appendage or die? Stupid". People who hate because it's popular are trapped in High School mentality, grow up, some of you...
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Good little rundown on the Wall Street-ing of Hollywood.
I'd actually argue that the smartest fare for adults---science fiction, thrillers or drama---is on cable TV. A single episode of Mad Men, Battlestar Galactica or Lost is better written than TF1 and TF2 put together. Those looking for great stories are better off waiting for the Fall tv season (or you know, reading a book), or even not---Burn Notice, now on USA, is also very smartly written.
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this is one of the worst action movies ever created. shitty camera work, acting, writing and editing. the devistator robot was totally useless as were most the robots. actually most all of the charactors served no point i.e. the roommate, parents, mudflap and skid... most importantly the fallen. the robot who is in the goddamn title didnt even do ANYTHING!!! idont mind movies with foul language but when its written into the script it needs to have a purpose. it was so forced and uncomfortable to the ears. was it ment to make the film edgy? what? nothing about this film is worth a shit... not even a single fight scene. they all had forced slowmo action so at least one movement could be understood. i'm thankfull that i didn't spend money on this shit.
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I'm not sure where this toxic waste is coming from. The majority of industry around here is sawmills, and sawdust really isn't that toxic. Not that I wouldn't love to see an explosion in the flipper baby population, they'd likely make an awesome fishing buddy. Though now I see my earlier assertion that you're too much of a douchebag to actually be Canadian was perhaps misguided - you're from Scarborough? Maybe Sarnia? You reflect the persona of either one.
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Harry is fucking nuts!!! How the hell can you hate this movie??? I mean maybe the black guy in the meat shop was a bit much... but other than that I didn't see an issue with this flick. It wasn't that long. I had plenty of action.. and they actually developed some sort of character with some of the Transformers... my only gripe was the roommate. He was a bit of a douche, swap him with Rainn Wilson and I think the movie would have been better but overall I think this is the most obvious case of blatant hating of a film and a director in a long time. Harry... get the fuck over it... its a Transformers movie.. not Shakespeare.
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Dude, you would NEVER say that kind of crap in person. You're a worthless coward. Asswipe.
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Thank you for taking the time to post here, Mr. Orci, and for putting up with illiterate, irrelevant troglodytes like CharlesThomasMathews1978--who, sadly, is indicative of the general type of obscene, cowardly, unintelligent dickheads who often post here. Given how poorly written his posts are, he has a lot of gall calling you a hack--something he'd never have the courage to do in person.
Although I agree with the vast majority of critics who have pointed out the racist nature of the film's characters, and with the general consensus that the film is a bomb, I still hold you in high regard.
When the first Transformers film was released, I had NO intention of seeing it. Space robots that turn into cars? Seriously? But a friend made me watch it, and to my surprise, I found it to be witty and fun--far more so than it had a right to be, given the subject matter. Kudos on winning over someone who thought the very concept of Transformers was idiotic and childish.
Then there's Star Trek, which I think is probably the best film I've seen so far in 2009--and as a journalist, I pretty much watch every film that comes out. Trek had a perfect mix of emotion, humor, excitement, surprise, action and pensiveness, and was extremely reminiscent of the humor episodes of the original series.
But most of all, I respect that you have remained civil and calm, despite idiots like CharlesThomasMathews1978, who have likely contributed nothing of consequence to the world, and yet who feel empowered by attacking you from the safe, anonymous confines of their Cheeto-encrusted armchairs. They live meaningless and worthless lives, and no one outside their families cares about them or their opinions--and they realize and resent that fact, which is why they compensate by hurling personal attacks at you.
Don't let these sheet stains bother you, Mr. Orci. You're cool in my book, and although I admittedly still think Transformers was probably the worst film I've seen this year, entirely the polar opposite of your work on Star Trek in terms of quality, I still plan to go see the next picture you write.
The only thing you've said that I have to take exception to is the idea that those complaining about the testicles and racism are just Bay's enemies, or those with an anti-Bay agenda. Critical and fan reactions to those two aspects of the film, right across the board, have been hugely negative. It's not just those who hate Bay's work--it's practically everyone. And while I have an immense amount of respect for the fact that you are here, taking responsibility for the screenplay's weaknesses, I think it's also important that you realize that the reason people are complaining about those aspects of the film isn't that they hate Bay--it's that those aspects should have been left on the cutting-room floor. At some point, someone--whether you, your cowriters, Bay, the editors--should have recognized the bad and/or offensive aspects of this film for what they were, and expunged them.
Perhaps it's because you all were too closely involved with the project to realize it had so many problems, and I can't really fault you for that. But surely, when you go see a movie you haven't worked on, you are able to recognize crap when you see it. So it surprises me how much crap remained in the final product of this film.
I hope I have not offended you with my comments. I remain a fan, despite this momentary bump in the road.
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Harry, this is one of the best reviews I've seen you write in a couple of years. Please keep up this level of reviewing - I miss it.
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...I know I rag on you a lot for your complete inability to punctuate properly, and for the rambling incoherence of many of your articles. But I have to agree with the masses--this was one of your best reviews. More like this, please.
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It appears that Hollywood has learned nothing from the horror that is Jar-Jar.
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I hate to say it, but....Damn you Michael Bay! I hated the first Transformers for exactly the same reasons...racist, dumb, POS. The special effects are awesome (duh fucking ILM people), but that doesn't save the first or the second from being steaming piles. I saw this on Wednesday with my little brother, and the twins blew my fucking mind...Harry hit this dead on. Micheal Bay is a racist fuck...but thats not even the worst of it, what a terrible fucking filmmaker he is. So Harry, heres my question...which film do you prefer, Terminator:Salvation, or Transformers 2: Revenge of the Racist? I think you owe many a fan boy a goddamn apology, as far as all you geeky mother fuckers who shit on T:S just to further your dick sucking of Bay...go grab some rope, and your pointy hoods ya fucking racist's.
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Those who throw around the word "retarded" say more about themselves than those they're trying to insult. I don't have much else to say in response to your comment, since it was kind of pointless.
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that still does nt excuse McG for making a worthless Terminator movie.
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how are you?
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I now have a huge pet peeve and that is some people creating the acronym of T2 for this pile of shit. Transformers 2 has no right to even be mentioned in the same breathe as the real T2.
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es and info we have been getting Asimov?
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agree more...
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Maybe a script breakdown led the snowball into full speed at ILM, yes a ball that does not stop and the end result could be, Van Helsing (a shit heap of a movie), Star wars 1,2,3 and many others that have been for the most part, duds like "revenge of the flatulence".
Its the way these films are made that they end up not cutting anything out because some of the useless scenes cost millions, and Michael Bay for all he's worth can't ride the snowball as well as others, and ends up making a two hour car commercial that will look good on allot of VFX artist's show reels -
dont know how to do that very well compared to Cameron and Jackson imho....
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Which was my point. But the action sequences in T:S were worth a ticket price, the fucking truck chase scene, don't let McGay get you down to a point where you can't at least recognize the better points...then you'd be like Harry, who apparently finally woke the fuck up.
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"I now have a huge pet peeve and that is some people creating the acronym of T2 for this pile of shit."
Then you, my friend, need to take a deep breath, have a Corona with lime, and go have some adult fun with the girl or guy of your choice. The acronym by which someone chooses to call a film is so minor and unimportant--why let it get your so riled up? -
Or maybe second to the one with that "young adult" book that was being serialized. But definitely one of the two.
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I have a new pet peeve. People that waste their time to comment on a seemingly unimportant post by mentioning how minor it is. If you found it so minor, then you would have ignored it. You see...a pet peeve, by its' very definition, is a minor thing that irritates somebody. Got it? Good.
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Is guys who comment on the comments of their comments. Pricks!
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I sat right next to a black chick (rather attractive with green eyes and tig 'ol bitties), and she laughed along with everyone else at approximately 1/4 of the humorous scenes, and didn't seem to have any particular reaction to the "negroidbots". Like Michael Bay says, "they are robots, after all." The autobots seem to absorb some of their personality from the web and stuff, seems logical that these two bots spent too much time on the wrong Myspace pages.
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The chick beside me also murmured "nuh-unnh" every time danger loomed, which at first annoyed me, but then I noticed the entire crowd was into the film in that way. So I couldn't hold it against her. There was also a guy sitting right beside me who constantly cracked up at 1/4 of the jokes, or visibly straightened whenever something cool was happening. People around me constantly saying "that was cool" or "this is gonna be cool" type of shit. Again, the movie was incredibly dumb, with horrible story and pacing, and a terrible 3rd act that totally wastes Megatron and Starscream with John Turturo continuing to make me facepalm every time he's on screen. Nontheless, the crowd I saw it with was right into it, and the ten year old boy inside of me was massively satisfied by stuff like Optimus ripping a decepticon's head in half (by the way was this the decepticon who opened the first movie.... Blackout I think was his name?)
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Right at the beginning when Sam's mom is freaking about him leaving for college and his dad says something like "Yeah, tough break, you gotta go to college." That cracked me up along with some of the fathers in the audience. That line was definitely there for the grown-ups.
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Jun 27, 2009 1:36:25 PM CDT
Steven supports this film fully, it's making even more richer.
by ganymede3010
And this point that's all Steven is worried about. $$$$, fuck making quality films, those are for narcissistic film geeks and unfortunately they don't pay the bills, the masses do.
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Jun 27, 2009 1:41:49 PM CDT
George Lucas is the perfect Director for this Franchise.
by ganymede3010
We'd actually see Cybetron, we'd get more ranged battles instead of blurry melee battles. Robots using lasers instead of bullets and missles, more planets, plus Lucas likes CGI characters more than Humans. So we'd definitely see more Robots and less humans.
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Anyone who cried during that movie should be drawn and quartered. I have never seen such a overlong messy contrived piece of shit like that, i haven't tried to sit through that one since i saw it July of 98, god bay hasn't changed one bit just gotten worse. As for Mr. Spielberg he certainly has begin a greedy shit making hack.
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I'm just happy i saw this movie during the week so i didn't have to sit like a fucking sardine. With a theatre packed with the stupid sheep like masses, shoving overpriced food into their fat mouths laughing at every stupid joke right on cue.
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Jun 27, 2009 2:01:12 PM CDT
shakespeare wrote a play with a man transforming into a donkey
by ironic_name
stop complaining when people say it wasn't shakespeare. it could've been. well actually it couldn't have been, but I wanted to point out shakespeare did write transformers.
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hgo to see it then !
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I like to watch movies alone for the most part. There are certain people I like to watch certain types of movies with. Aside from that, I must be a sociopath or something because other people's enjoyment of a movie, or more specifically, there tendency to communciate that enjoyment through non-verbal cues, really fucking skews my viewing experience. I've always been a little too sensitive to the people around me. In the case of TF2 (an acroynym I dislike because I'm already using it for Team Fortress 2), I think being around other people who were enjoying it immensely helped me to see it for what it was... a really dumb summer movie that could have been miles better, but also could have been far worse. It's certainly not on Batman and Robin,or Speed 2 level. It's more ont the level of Transformers 1 or even Die Hard With a Vengeance.... stupid and not completely satifsying, but enjoyable and worth the ticket price.
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Fuck I can't believe I made that typo.
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Your ignorance far exceeds what little humanity you seem to have.
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i dont know if someone else mentioned it already,unfortunately i cant read the whole talkback from the start.please just bear with my long post,i just need desperately to clarify something.
i just saw the movie yesterday here in greece.i will post my comments for the movie later.what really bugs me and i need an answer asap,is what i have witnessed in the intro of the movie,where the autobots hunt down the decepticons.
the decepticns are hiding for a reason that is unknown to both the autobots and us the audience,somewhere in Benjin.they are just hiding,they didnt kill anyone,they didnt do any damage,they were just hiding.
suddenly the autobots appear,and the decepticons dont fight.they just run to get away from them.i repeat the just run to escape from the autobots.
during the pursuit,the decepticons didnt try to intentionally kill any human,in fact most of the havoc caused in the streets,were due to the big mass of the 2-wheels decepticon [what was his name btw]
now here come the two socks for me.first there is the decepticon car who tries to escape without shooting,without threating someone on purpose,it just tries to escape,and then this autobot comes and he cuts him in half.
then we have optimus prime,who fights the 2-wheel decepticon and he beats him.the decepticon is half-dead,he poses no threat.
and then optimus points his gun and shoot him in cold blood.and then he throws a macho quote.
and i ask u.is this what the autobots from the cartoon would have done?.to hunt down for 2 years,all the decepticons in all over the world,in order to exterminate them? to just kill the decepticons while they were trying to escape from them,THEY WERE NOT FIGHTING.
and espceially optimus prime.would optimus killed in cold blood an already,beaten up,half-dead decepticon? whom he doesnt have any vendettat or personal thing against,to justify this kind of fact?
didnt the autobots have in the comics/cartoons a morality as a faction,a combat code in their war?
yes they are in a war,yes they would kill the decepticons when fighting them.BUT they hunt them and exterminate them like that,for 2 years in the whole world,without any provocation from the decepticons part,would they kill them while the deceptcions were running unarmed for their lives,would optimus prime just kill a deadly wounded decepticon like that?
did i miss something from the cartoons/comics? did i got the wrong picture for the morality of optimus prime and faction?
am i that wrong? would autobots turn into nazis hunting down jewish,or a cop killing from the back a thief who runs unarmed to escape,or the Punisher who would just kill a beaten-up,half dead villain?
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I agree i can't watch a movie in a packed theatre anymore, besides the sub-humans who come out during the weekend i can not take how people will laugh at the so-called funny moments in a movie at the same time, even if theirs nothing funny about it, drives me insane.
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I agree i can't watch a movie in a packed theatre anymore, besides the sub-humans who come out during the weekend i can not take how people will laugh at the so-called funny moments in a movie at the same time, even if theirs nothing funny about it, drives me insane.
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No, you didn't miss anything. The Autobots aren't showing any mercy in this film. They are on a vendetta—I don't think that is really explained or justified in the film.
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In this case I had to give credit to the people around me for laughing selectively overall. Some of the jokes were sort of funny. In this case I picked out the sub-average IQs in my vicinity by the people who found the pot brownie bullshit to be funny. Although if they were stoners in the early phases of usage, when any pot reference is the greatest thing in the world, I suppose I can forgive even them in that context.
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I think they autobots are pretty clear on the fact that the decepticons are genocidal on a universal scale. They will try to kill and dominate anything they come into contact with. Even if they're running now, it's probably because they are laying in wait to hatch some murderous plan. So decepticons need to be ruthlessly exterminated. This is contradicted in the movie by the two defector decepticons. It's cool how there's a spiritual message that rings pretty true amid all the retardation and utter claptrap.
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Jching says Aint It Cool News is unintelligent, fake, infuriating, self important, pseudo-geeky, corporate tosh. It is also run by a bed ridden, hawaiian shirt wearing, orangutan looking, obese, bed sore covered, half-witted, corporate bribe accepting, ginger freak.
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so the autobots,dont differ at all from the decepticons.
they are just Dales who exterminate every probable threat to their existence.
which means the autobots have no connection with the original autobots we have grown up.thats why i asked.to clarify this.
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You must be new around here. Good points are generally considered a waste of time here as compared to bickering and calling Harry an "overweight sellout hack." Next time, remember to call someone a stupid douchebag for having an opinion. That's really how it works around here. Take this "reasonable argument" stuff somewhere else. ;-)
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Jun 27, 2009 2:54:44 PM CDT
ominus, IT’S REPRESENTITIVE OF BAY’S NEOCON POLITICS.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
In Transformers : Revenge of the Fallen Decepticons are sleeper cell terrorists and THEY MUST BE DESTROYED. To bad Osama Bin Laden wasn’t a 100 foot tall robot otherwise the US military with its 900 billion dollar yearly budget might have found him by now. Anyway, no, in the cartoons the Autobot’s were more peaceful and interested in science and progress while helping the human race. The only time the Autobot’s would throw down was if there was a threat from Megatron and co. But Optimus and his gang would always try to appeal to the Decepticon’s to turn away from their evil ways, at which point they would tell Prime to fuck off before the Autobots started some ass kicking. They didn’t even need to kill the Decepticons as they were mostly cowards and would turn tail. That’s not to say the Autobots should never kill Decepticons because it’s a question of which is the lesser evil, letting thousands or millions of people die vs. the death of a few Decepticons. But in the cartoons there was always a fair bit of morality and the most disturbing thing about ROTF is the way the Autobots have an almost gleeful reaction to killing Decepticons such as Sideways ‘Damm I’m good” line after slicing a fellow Cybertronian in half. TF:ROTF is proof positive that Spielberg probably had a lot less to do with the sequel and just slapped his name on it for a percentage of the gross. In the first movie Optimus Prime mourns the death of Megatron and the fact that there was no other choice. There is none of that morality in ROTF because Bay is a right wing, conservative, neocon, sociopath for whom might equals right and you are always justified killing your enemies and anyone who wants to negotiate is a coward. The politics of Bay’s movies are disgusting as is his love for military propaganda and cross burning racism. What a piece of shit and I can believe Spielberg put his name to this fucking disgraceful trash.
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What do you expect? You're on a website called Aint It Cool News. A website whose reviews are about as credible and insightful as, well, Harry himself. The average user of this site who actually takes notice of these reviews, and lets them influence their choice of cinematic viewing, will be incapable of any kind of intellectual discussion. Therefore, if you want to be a part of this site, treat it as a form of light entertainment and not as a serious form of film media.
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thank you very much for your input.and i really believe u r right in everything u said.
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"There is none of that morality in ROTF because Bay is a right wing, conservative, neocon, sociopath for whom might equals right and you are always justified killing your enemies and anyone who wants to negotiate is a coward.
The politics of Bay’s movies are disgusting as is his love for military propaganda and cross burning racism. What a piece of shit and I can believe Spielberg put his name to this fucking disgraceful trash."It's worth posting again. -
Jun 27, 2009 3:05:58 PM CDT
AsimovLives, STAR TREK'S FAST PACE DISTRACTS FROM THE SHITTYNESS
by charlesthomasmathews1978
It seems that if you make a movie at a lightening pace then you can distract them from just how fucking badly plotted it is. I didn’t hate Star Trek the way I hated Transformers 2 or Terminator 4. I just wish that Abrams would have avoided all the time travel, alternate history bullshit and made a straight forward story that wasn’t incoherent and convoluted to the tenth degree. I actually think that Star Trek was well made, I thought the actors were fantastic in their roles and, for me, their performances saved the movie. I look forward to seeing a sequel but only if Abram’s hires some competent writers and stays away from fucking time travel, I mean, I know Star Trek has always featured plenty of it but for the movies what I was is space exploration and adventure. If I want time travel I’ll stick to Doctor Who which, btw, is an incredibly well written show and I think Orci/Kurtzman would do well to watch it so they can learn how to properly write compelling stories with strong characterization and fascinating sci-fi concepts.
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when it comes to movie reviews?
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Did you guys miss the part with the machine that would destroy the sun?
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It was a bit stereotypical, but it was in no way derogatorary. There are people that speak like that, black AND white. They were there for a bit of comic relief, and used in the exact same way every single "geek" is portrayed as a white male. It was NOT racist and was just a bit of fun. Stop taking this film so serious and see it like it is - a film about giant robots that transform into machines and fight eachother.
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Star Trek was the rape of a legacy. Revenge of the Fallen is suitably retarded/awesome for being the progeny of a fucking toy line from the 80s.
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And good editing.
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There are a few good quality film critics out there, Peter Bradshaw springs to mind, and there are certainly very few on this site, least of all Harry fucking Knowles. However, I chose to not be influenced by reviews and prefer to use my individuality to make my own conclusions on a film.
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Is your review as completely unreadable as your talkback comment announcing it?
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"the most disturbing thing about ROTF is the way the Autobots have an almost gleeful reaction to killing Decepticons such as Sideways ‘Damm I’m good” line after slicing a fellow Cybertronian in half."Exactly. This bothered the shit out of me. I don't know Michael Bay's politics, but there is such an air of machismo arrogance in the Autobots behaviour that makes no sense. The only thing I can imagine is that it serves a militarist fantasy of deserved "payback"; if that's an indication of his ideas on combat than it'll only get worse from here on out.This is why a story like this must be grounded in human characters—it's the people that have the most to lose and the most to learn through the narrative arc. What do Shia LeBeouf and Megan Fox learn in this movie? What are the Autobots showing them by this behaviour?
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i am not american,but i was very upset with the way bay filmed the gruesome event of the destruction of the harbor.
i mean there is a real historical event,hundreds of people died in that assault,and u as a filmmaker depict this assault,with ultra cool,fascinating,impressive,explosions and destructions of ships?
i mean,dude,u have people dying in these explosions,people have died in real life in these explosions,and instead of trying to depict the dramatic impact of this scene,the human side of this event,u just sit there and u film super cool,awesome explosions to bring the awe in your movie audience,to show them how great u r in creating action scenes??? what the fuck? thats the point of a movie entitled Pearl Hardbor?an excuse to give u as a director,the opportunity to destroy ships in the celiloid?
and i see that bay does have this obsession,judging by the destruction of the aircraft carriers and other ships,during the invasion of the decepticons.
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ever. Ebert and Pauline Kael wish they wrote a review this powerful.
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I'm really not sure what his political leanings are, i never felt in any off his other films that he went one way or the other. Aside from his hard-on for the military and making every soldier in his movies this movie to look like they came out of a fucking modeling catalog, in reality the vast majority of the enlisted army recruits in this country are inbred trash from the south, middle America, or rural pennsylvania
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It's possibly the best review I've ever read. Paramount should put "its my best movei i ever saw !" on the posters immediately.
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Spelling and grammar were made by man, petergrifin's review is a force of fucking nature.
To use spelling and grammar check would be as futile as man's attempt to control nature. The awesomeness of his review would just sooner or later break free like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park.
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I 100% agree.
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If you do one thing, just one thing, in this world, make sure it is that petergrifin's review at Aint It Bale News gets put on a Transformer poster or commercial.
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you'll see the audience this film is aimed at. In hindsight, petergrifin's review speaks VOLUMES about the "movei" and reviewer.
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So let's forget all this right wing propaganda that he is nowhere near savvy enough to include in his films. He may be using the same form of simplicity and generalization that the neo-cons use to spread their message, but he himself is not trying to spread a message. I'm amazed anyone here gives him that much credit.
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Went in a gang of 5 and we all loved it. Too long and some of the supposed funny stuff was at times unwelcome, but on the whole it was good. I'd say that after Star Trek this is the years best biggie thus far. Complaing that the movie differs from the cartoon is redundant, it's 25 years ago and thngs evolve and change, accept it for what it is and move on, to be fair the original cartoon's dated badly and isn't easy to watch. A spot bollock remake catoon style should be done, perhaps when the trilogy's complete we will. Special Effects were incrediable though, see at the Imax.
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... Kirk was kicked off the Enterprise, landed on a random planet/moon, chased by a big monster that still could not outrun him and then was saved by Spock Prime who explained what was happening in the silliest of non-science science and then they happen to run into Scotty and his pet Umpa Lumpa(sp). The rest was downhill for me...However, I thought the cast was excellent and I'm hopeful for the franchise. I just hope Orci and Kurtzman(sp?) decide on taking a pass on writing the script...
And my Bay comment: ONCE HAD YUMMY LABIA.
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THE WORLD IS STUPID!
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assuming that u r the real deal,i have just one small question to ask u:
For what reason do u think, the homosexual attraction between Hercules and Iolas passed unnoticed even to the gay community,whereas the sappic affection between Xena and Gabrielle,not only became too obvious to the general audio [homo and non-homo],but was the main cause for the series huge success?
was it because of your scripts? because of the producers?the directors? or the truth lies in the possibility that generally the straight men and women [lesvian women and straight],are inclined to have fantasies with 2 beatiful amazon women making love,rathen than with 2 muscual guys who suck the dick of each other?
please satisfy my curiousity,oh great storyteller.u r the real person,i have just one question:
For what reason do u think, the homosexual attraction between Hercules and Iolas passed unnoticed even to the gay community,whereas the sappic affection between Xena and Gabrielle,not only became too obvious to the general audio [homo and non-homo],but was the main cause for the series huge success?
was it because of your scripts? because of the producers?the directors? or the truth lies in the possibility that generally the straight men and women [lesvian women and straight],are inclined to have fantasies with 2 beatiful amazon women making love,rathen than with 2 muscual guys who suck the dick of each other?
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Seriously, this sequel is three steps backwards for this franchise.too many over the top shitty comedy scenes poor dialog,lack of character development, material stolen from other movies and then there ate those fucked up stereotypes. One would think that this movie was bankrolled by the KKK.Bay has gone too far so fuck Bayformers.This Box office Summer is very disapointing so far.
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Wow didnt know that.
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Or CharlesThomasMathewsMom or whatever.Since you're so tuned into what makes one a racist and what doesn't, I have to ask... What are your thoughts of Judge Sotomayor?
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Any talkbacker who claims that the theater "stood up and applauded at the end" must be writing from a town full of retarded rednecks. I saw it in a pretty full theater with a pretty wide cross-section of the American public- white, black, male, female, young, old, and you could literally feel the energy being sucked out of the theater. By the time the closing credits FINALLY appeared, the entire theater let out one big GROAN in unison. By now, everybody has heard the negative buzz, but trust me, if you haven't seen it, you have no idea how TERRIBLE this movie is.
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Just got back from seeing it in IMAX. Good movie but far from great. Too much "fast action" but otherwise worth seeing for the action alone. Writing wasn't near as bad as critics would like you to believe. The "twin robots" were far from Jar-Jar-Binks and the movie didn't seem to be over 2 hours long, imo. But do hope they have a great script for the next sequel.
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Jun 27, 2009 5:01:44 PM CDT
MY PERSPECTIVE ON OFFENSIVENESS, TF2 VS. CRANK 2…..
by charlesthomasmathews1978
The argument most people use when defending Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is that we are a bunch of overtly sensitive PC bitches. For me, that’s just not the case because I’ll tell you right now that Crank High Voltage is my favorite movie of the year, so far. I know what you’re thinking. How can I say that when Crank 2 is ten times more offensive then Bay’s movie while displaying all the same characteristics of style over substance that I and many others accuse ROTF of? The difference is that Crank 2 was made for an adult audience where Director’s Mark Neveldine and Brian Taylor had the balls to say “hey, were going to make a move so fucking offensive that it will blow your ass off” not to mention that it’s one of the most mean spirited, misogynistic and just plain misanthropic films ever made. NO ONE is spared in the movie as it is an equal opportunity offender that trashes everyone in it’s sight and I FUCKING LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT. So why is it a better movie the TF:ROTF? Well, Crank 2 was made for sick and demented perverts like me who revel in exploitation movies and it felt strangely democratic in it’s willingness to offend everyone and shit all over humanity. There’s an honesty to that movie unlike ROTF which is disguised as family entertainment as it displays Bay’s fetishistic obsession with military propaganda, his hatred for blacks and sociopathic personality. Now I actually loved Bad Boys 2 for the exact same reasons as Crank 2 and that’s because with that movie Bay was revealing his true self by pulling his cock out and spewing his ID all over the screen. The difference between Neveldine/Taylor and Bay is that the former were trying to deliberately make an offensive movie in the sprit of Troma and there was some actual thought put behind everything they did in their attempt at maximum offensiveness. I get the felling that there is no such thought behind Bay’s work and that he is just as racist, misogynistic and misanthropic in real life while his movies are incapable of displaying any sort of genuine humanity or anything resembling real human emotions apart from surface level melodrama. That’s because I suspect that Bay is actually a sociopath in real life and this is most revealed in Pearl Harbor, in that, despite the inherent horror and drama of that situation due to all the pain and suffering he was incapable of conveying any sort of real loss and that’s because people with sociopathic tendencies have the inability to empathize with others which is why he focuses on showing people being killed in creative ways while never truly making the audience see the tragedy of a human being losing their life. In comparison let’s look at James Cameron’s Terminator 2 (I also fucking hate how people have been calling Bay’s sequel T2). That movie features just as much death and destruction as any of Bay’s movies but you can tell that Cameron actually has a heart through Sarah Conner arch of regaining her lost humanity by showing her inability to pull the trigger on the man who might very well be responsible for the death of billions. Or how the Terminator learns the value of human life and why he must not kill. Cameron was also able to absolutely destroy the audience with the sheer Horror of Sarah’s dreams of nuclear devastation. That’s not even mentioning the wrenching drama of the Terminators suicide and John Conner losing the closest thing he ever had to a Father. Terminator 2 isn’t complicated cinema but its theme’s are universal and, despite being about time travelling cyborgs, Cameron doesn’t sell the concept short nor does he sacrifice real human drama at the expense of incredible action sequences or visual effects. If Michael Bay is the future of cinema then I weep for us and our children.
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Shit, some people here really don't have any fucking taste in movies.
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and want to talk about someones taste "People in glass houses" buddy.
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Holy Christ did this movie suck. I'm surprised that more people are not comparing this to that other Michael Bay crap fest - "Pearl Harbor" another movie that just would not end. Has Bay even heard of a script editor? Needed to knock at least an hour off this monster. This movie also has huge geography fail - since when is the Smithsonian located next to mountains?
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Please take your dumb Right-wing ass and go the fuck over to fox news you pea-brained moron. your a member of a political party that's dying by the day. that's why i love right-wingers so very much. the republicans Had control of the country for almost a decade and rightly fucked it up and all you can do is pretend all the problems in this country are the "lefties" fault. please take your red-state ass and fuck-off, i love how you people think this is you country and your the most American. the fact is this country is an immigrant nation and doesn't belong to anyone group, it was built on the backs of black slaves and grew to greater heights by the millions of Irish , Italian, polish, Chinese and other groups who came here in the mid to late 19Th century. sorry to tell you jerk off in thirty years Hispanics will be the majority in this country and thankfully the republican party will either be dead or vastly changed hope your dumb ass is still here to witness it.
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Jun 27, 2009 5:31:48 PM CDT
Immortal_Fish, YOU MEAN IN REFERENCE TO THIS...
by charlesthomasmathews1978
That she said in a 2001 speech at Berkeley “a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."? Is that what you mean because if it is then I now know that you listen to Rush Limbaugh and watch Fox News because that’s what they and fucking scum like you have been trying to use against her by calling her a racist. You know what, FUCK YOU! White Christina conservative scum like you have the fucking nerve calling anyone racist as you post your shit from your lily white gated community in suburbia. Either that or you’re a toothless inbred shit kicking hick card carrying member of the Aryan Brotherhood you mongrel fucking cocksucker. What she said was fucking true and HOW FUCKING DARE YOU snipe at her you piece of fucking shit. She’s a Latina, born in the Bronx and brought up by her Mother after her Father died when she was nine years old so she wasn’t some fucking trust fund baby like that shit flinging chimp George W. Bush. She worked her way into Princeton and graduated summa cum laude before going toYale where she graduated with a J.D. and was accepted into the New York Bar all by the time she was 26. Have or will you achieve as much at that age fuckface? Just talking about her makes ME feel ashamed of being a burger flipper and I’m fucking white. Coming back to your insipid parroting of GOP talking points what she was referring to was that a person like her has a stronger character than some fucking cracker that was born into wealth and coasted in Law School and that’s because as a Latino woman she had to work ten times harder to prove herself and she deserves every fucking bit of recognition that she has fucking earned not to mention that she has more experience going into the Supreme Court than any of the other judges had when they were appointed. In honor of Judge Sotomayor I’m going to eat some Taco Bell so that Immortal_Fish can SUCK THE SHIT OUT OF MY FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!
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I have to say, there was 90 minutes of fun there, and a good hour of "what the f^&k?!!". I reckon Bay had a bet with his mates down the pub, and a lot of dares were put on the table!! I do think Bay lost it a fair bit, and I don't think he realised that people were there for the Transformers themselves - the cheers in the audience when Optimus made his entrance was noticeable.
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...was bloody humans. The notion that Hollywood has that robots can only be (a) Cute (b) Blow shit up gets right on my tits.
FFS The Transformers are US, that's the whole fucking point of the concept.
Addressing the posts about the Autobots ruthlessness.
Most of the Autobots are nice, decent sorts, however, just like in real life, some of those on the "right side" are dicks (and the tech specs bios of the original toys pretty much make it clear that the likes of Sunstreaker (btw "Damn I'm good" is exactly the sort of thing he would say, not Sideswipe), Slag, and Blades are total assholes, while Mirage is a snob and is not sure he is on the right side). Some, such as Skids (the G1 version) and Beachcomber, are very much pacifists.
Likewise some Decepticons such as Thundercracker, are uncertain about their cause, and others, like Swindle, could not give a shit.
Because Bay gives the robots so little proper screen time, there is no chance of showing their different viewpoints and personalities. In doing so he MISSES THE WHOLE POINT OF TRANSFORMERS.
Killing a Decepticon in cold blood is not Prime's style; it's more Grimlock's style, but very much not Prime's (actually would have been more interesting if Prime walked off then Ironhide sneakily shot Demolisher, but Bay is not that imaginative).
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Bladernner79: "Immortalfish... the republicans Had control of the country for almost a decade and rightly fucked it up and all you can do is pretend all the problems in this country are the 'lefties' fault." The only thing the Republicans did wrong was to play nice while the left continued its campaign of discrediting Bush and co. for putting national security before political correctness. Remember, EVERYONE thought that another terrorist attack was inevitable. It fidgets the left something chronic that America became the most powerful nation on Earth in record time thanks to capitalist, free market economics and a system of morality based on Judeo-Christian principles. You leftist have no choice but to discredit and impugn America; to do anything less is to cast doubt on your own tenets and belief systems, which are antipodal to those which dominate America's history. As for the right wing being on its way out, people said the same thing in 1993, when the Dems ran the white house and Congress. Then, the conservative sweep of Congress happened in 1994, and everyone on the left shut their pieholes. Obama's poll numbers have been declining stadily for months, and there is no end in sight and his radically left administration continues to enact policies that have made even Castro and Chavez sit up and take notice (Chavez said so himself). Even many of us black voters are starting to say, "WTF did we put into office??" I wouldn't celebrate just yet, son.
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we needed a human death, not Sam's fake death. Just to put things in perspective.
I hated the terminatrix, I think Bay put that girl in as a response to McG having big robots on terminator.
I also agree, for a sequel it is a damn fun movie. I honestly had a lot of fun.
Compared to that bland Terminator: Salvation, this was a masterpiece. I went and took a shit midmovie during terminator, I think that's the first time ever I haven't held it in during a movie, I was all like, this movie is boring, i'd rather go take a shit. Honest.
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(I discuss this in my post above as well) Most of the Autobots did follow a moral code but some didn't. There were a minority of hardliners, notably Grimlock and the Dinobots and a few others, but most of the Autobots are reluctant fighters, essentially civilians.
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Transformers 2 was good. Not spectacular, but definitely a good time. Mike Bay was totally in-your-face with the ghetto twin robots -- I'm black, and I loved it. Wanted to see more. Loved his typically reverent depiction of the military, loved his jabs at the Obama administration (which is patently anti-American), loved his jab at the mainstream media (a bunch of leftist lap dogs), loved John Turturro's "remember what I did for my country" moment. HELLZ YEAH, Mike. Keep pissing off these greasy-ass, punk b!tch hippies, from Harry Knowles on down. The more they cuss and whine, the better you're doing. Bring TF3, my friend.
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Jun 27, 2009 5:50:46 PM CDT
Well said Bladernner79, ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Fucking morons like Immortal_Fish and the rest of his white Christian brethren in the GOP have ran the USA down both intellectually, morally and financially into the fucking ground and yet they still have the nerve to claim that it’s the lefties fault. Or how they claimed that 88 year old WW2 vet who shot up that holocaust museum was a left winger. Or how every time a republican gets busted having an affair, having gay sex in an airport bathroom, chasing around teenage boys or getting diapered by hookers, Fox News always labels them as being Democrats. What do you expect from a bunch of fucking pathological liars and sociopaths? What’s most pants shittingly funny is how when their political party is in charge they call you an anti-American traitor if you don’t agree with them but the second they are no longer in power they start talking about how the Redneck Welfare states are going to secede from the Union. It just goes to prove what fucking hypocrites these cockroaches are and how the Republican Party is now a regional party of racists, sexists, homophobes, bible thumpers, NRA lunatics and violent right wing extremists all based out of that festering inbred shithole known as the South where they are still fighting the fucking Civil War in their delusional minds.
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Fact. You posted as much racist & sexist stuff on SP as anybody. But you were drove from the site because you are retarded, not intelligent, spastic and work at fast food restaurants (Fact). Seriously, a person had to FILE A RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST THIS INTERNET FORUM TROLLING DEVELOPMENTALLY RETARDED FAILURE. How psycho must one be to go so far beyond arguing movies on a message board that a restraining order is needed? CTM is a dumb, crass, socially retarded and deluded as Michael Bay. On topic: TRANSFORMERS 2 is not the end of civilaztion or movies. Reading the reactions here and everywhere else is hilarious. People seem to think it's going to start a race war. Or here will be an apocolypse. Get a fucking grip. it's a bad movie. You'll get over it. It doesn't personally effect you unless you are sick in head. But please carry on with your sweaty sucidal rants. It's funny. "Boycott the movie."HAHAHAHA! .0003% of the moviegoing public know this site. It has never had an effect on box office of any kind. Besides, if 2.5 hours of sub-literate entertainment helps a person escape from the ever darkening shithole of our real world then I begrudge them nothing. One more time: GET A GRIP PEOPLE!
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Is when the soldiers start screaming bailouts! in the airplane.
Also the stupid product placement of Chevy is soo damn suspicious it angers me, they probably used all their bailout money in that stupid product placement. I loved the art direction on the ice cream truck, I kinda wished all the cars were designed that way. Also the jetfire design was so damn awesome. Agh I can't believe people so easily dismiss such hard work. Watching fucking robots that turn into cars on the big screen that look so amazing!!! -
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Yet, Harry loved the shit out of that movie. Double standards once again arise.
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Relugus: "... most of the Autobots are reluctant fighters, essentially civilians. Bay, in depicting the Autobots as cold killers seems to be trying to tell us something about his own morals." That, or it's an action movie about some Hasbro toys, and you're a self-styled intellectual who so full of himself that he has to analyze everything through his hippie peacenik filter.
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Not Cold blooded Killers is way too hard to believe.
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A lot of people can't relate to her achievements or struggle. They don't see it in context and that is a generational divide. If someone is say 23 years old in 2009, they were born in 1986 and have NO IDEA what the world was like during the eighties, much less the seventies. They don't have the context to understand race and gender struggles because they assume that everyone starts in the same place in society.In 2009 things are much different. Women and people of colour are visible in positions of power, something unthinkable in the seventies and early eighties. It's not just a problem on the right, but they are the most vocal and usually mired in 'traditions' that never included anyone else beside their own—singing their chorus of "Well, we just can't find qualified prospects."Many young minds still believe that nonsense.And, please don't let me get started on this 'free-market' bollocks.
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Yeah, little did I know that when one visits the Smithsonian in DC, you can go through a pair of back doors, and bam!, you're in a big ass air field.
With mountains. And sand dunes. In Virginia.
I also need to re-check Google maps, because last I remembered Egypt and Jordan do not share a land border, yet there was Bumblebee driving through A JORDANIAN BORDER CROSSING. Featuring a little person, right out of the Howard Stern show.
Michael Bay fails at 4th grade geography.
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oooh, He's so cool driving a car downtown. oooh look, he peeled of a parking lot again. Ooooh shit this movie is good.
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Jun 27, 2009 6:29:46 PM CDT
" This is summer eye candy. so what if the story sucks..." ahh
by snakecharmer
PIXAR! Every Pixar film is eye candy and has great story. I don't give Michael Bay a pass. The dudes at Pixar make a whole lot less than Bay and deliver classics. I don't expect much from this flick. The Hurt Locker needs to open in San Diego now!. Oh well. Public Enemy should keep happy until then. Peace.
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"Why would the Director do that?" she is referring to him making it a potty mouthed, rascist, too long crap fest. She really liked the first one. Oh well.
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Ridiculous. I don't expect better storytelling from Bay, but Spielberg read the script and thought lines like this can stay in the finished product of a 300 million dollar movie. I can't fathom, how can someone make Jurassic Park (the best summer movie I've ever seen) and then be involved in this movie. The setup was there, the technology was there, hell, even the actors were there... I just don't get it. How can you shoot a a 40 minute robot battle to stop the sun from exploding and leave someone as juvenile as me bored and uninvolved. Maybe if I knew the source material I could enjoy stuff in it more, but to a non-fan this was a truly sad day in the cinema.
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...maybe I over-analyse, though. That's just how I am.
But the moral ambiguity of some of the Autobots is on the back of the G1 toys boxes, its there in the original character bios.
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They used to be good, but now every move they make is just a calculated cash cow to brainwash critics and audiences.
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...scoop my eyes out with a spoon than sit through another Transformers piece of shit.
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Please don't tell me that was a good movie. It sucked sooo baddd. And it was racist. Ooh, a hick is a pick up truck.
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These comments just make me want to see this movie again! everyone else, just leave it up to strangers to decide which movies you should like. baaah!
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Jun 27, 2009 6:56:56 PM CDT
the second half of WALL*E damn sure was overrated
by jackknifed_juggernaut
and CARS was just ass. but those two instances aside, Pixar is cash.
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in Cars, but, no it wasn't racist. And, as a character he had dimension. Sorry, but you fail.
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It's Transformers!!! It was perfect as it was! Ok, it could have losed some stuff sure....but honestly WHAT are you people looking for from a Transfomers movie? Deep plot, huge dramatic themes, complex character development??? Geez....a Transformers movie guarantees 5 things.... Giant robots that transform into cool vehicles. Giant robots beating the crap out of each other. A straightforward good guys vs. bad guys plot with escalation in scale of decepticons to create hopelessness and last minute surge of autobots to win at the end. Humorous banter between Autobots. badass actions by Decepticons. This movie provided on all those expectations more than anyone could have believed possible. Any other expectations other than these and dont you really need to see another movie instead of seeing this one? I LOVED IT!
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Jun 27, 2009 7:28:08 PM CDT
I wish for once the Talkback could focus on things from the movi
by dogmatic
from the movie....b/c this one was full of cool geek stuff that brings out the little 80's Transformer loving fella in me!!!
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Jun 27, 2009 7:29:08 PM CDT
Anyone up for discussing the plot and characters of the movie?
by dogmatic
:D B/c I just saw it and would love to talk about it.
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the box office. Just like Serenity did
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Made me want to find out who Chiwetel Ejiofor was.
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Jun 27, 2009 7:35:59 PM CDT
so... Transformers is a great movie because it's
by jackknifed_juggernaut
making like gangbusters at the b.o? hmm.
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i had no familiarity with the property whatsoever, but Ejiofor definitely stood out and made me want to see more of his work.
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to the quality of a movie. I hate to use another often used measuring stick as the Oscars, but how many of the Best Picture winners are also box office juggernauts?Titanic does not count, that movie suck all kinds of balls and you ALL know it!
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I liked it as much as I could have hoped for a fairly faithful Transformers movie. I have to disagree with the comments that the Autobots were gleefully murdering Decepticons, Prime's 'any last requests' line was lifted straight from the original movie (let's not forget Hot Rod was the only reason Prime didn't execute Megatron via a hole in the head from his blaster cannon) and seeing Megs beat on little bitch Starscream was awesome.
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What I got was a insulting and beyond B movie cheese. 200 million dollar commercial/music video. Poorly shot soulless, random, pointless, action scenes ruined by shaky cam, blurry, zoomed in, 1 second, ADHD editing, with 20 different camera angles.
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Megatron and Starscream really FELT like the cartoon versions in this...being together a lot on screen, teaming together in combat, Megatron berating Starscream and beating him. Megatron himself was more developed...the way he would try to talk Optimus over to his side before engaging him in combat, his justification method of things, very cool stuff. Starscream was totally in character. Soundwave sounded perfectly like Soundwave and he was cold, logical calculating commanding through relaying of plans and information...that was dead on. Would have liked to see the Constructicons talking and arguing but they did show them scrapping a bit before resurrecting Megatron. Optimus' lines are all dead on. Jetfire being the old, crotchety character as well as duality from the comics and cartoon was great too. ANd I thought Skids and Mudflap were hilarious...sorry. I just wish Prime hadnt dispatched of the Fallen so quickly. It kinda undermined how big of a threat he was supposed to be.
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Autobots: Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Ironhide, Ratchet (though he didnt speak :( could've said something medical at least when they dropped Prime's dead body in front of him.), Wheelie, Sideswipe, Arcee, Chromia, the other girl bike that i dont know, Mudflap, Skids, Jetfire
Decepticons (wow): The Fallen, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Demolisher, Sideways, Rampage, Ravage, Scorponok (loved how he came outta nowhere to critically wound Jetfire), Grindor, all 6 Constructicons, Jolt, the little doctor decepticon, the little one that came out of Ravage (Rumble we could assume since Frenzy was in the first? but no shaking powers), I saw Onslaught repaired and a big green one with big wheels on its shoulders....then it seems like a bunch more... Anyone know the names of those or any I missed? -
If that's true no wonder it's doing so well.
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and even I got fucking lost with all the robots.
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Did Soundwave ever transform into robot form and join the battle on Earth? I couldnt tell. Was that him wrapping coils around the Empire State Building to broadcast the Fallen's message? I thought that was Megatron. Was that him with the big panels on his arms that was battling and then killed by Jetfire at the end? Far as I could tell the Autobots didnt lose anyone but one of the motorcycle girl bots and Sideswipe took a nasty hit but not critical it looked. Decepticons lost everyone except Megatron and Starscream it seems....unless SOundwave didnt come down to fight...
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Jun 27, 2009 8:26:32 PM CDT
CTM real name JOHN PAUL YOUNG, loser extraordinaire
by charlesthomasmathewsmom
It's like taking the crayons away from a small retarded boy- CharlesThomas r/n John Paul just screams and cries and makes shit up. He is desperate for one thing- to matter- and sadly this will never happen. He is the sound of one hand clapping "see me!". He is pathetic on every level of his life. I don't pity him his future suicide- he is an abused child whose daddy beat him. Sad loser.
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Pixar is by no means perfect but it has a great record of doing more with pixels than Bay has ever been able to do with actual humans. It's so true that the masses are so easy to distract and hypnotize. haha.
Film is first about storytelling. Bay uses the thin plots of his films to bridge from one action set piece to the other. The dude hasn't mature in storytelling from one film to the other. What do I mean? Fincher puts up great visuals but you can clearly see him improving as a storyteller from one film to the next. Anyways, Time for some Dexter. peace. -
I don't care what anyone says, this movie is geared towards kids... Come on Hasbro get a spine and do what's right. Read all the CRAP that's in Transformers.
A woman shoves a man into a sitting position on a chair and straddles him, sitting on his lap, facing him, and saying, "I just want to have fun"; she offers to let him pretend she is his girlfriend if they engage in intercourse. A man suggestively slaps the bottom of a woman. A woman is shown lying facedown on top of a man's crotch in a suggestive manner; the man states that her position is perfect. Women are shown dancing seductively and a man dances beside a woman, making thrusting movements while she dances seductively. A woman strikes a seductive pose and prepares herself for a "virtual date" with her boyfriend, commenting that she is nervous for the "first time."
A woman dressed in a short dress shoves a man down on a bed and straddles him; as she leans over her underpants are exposed. A woman suggestively runs her hands up her thigh, lifting her dress to show her inner thigh area and a man looks her up and down suggestively.
A man is shown ripping his pants off, his bare buttocks are shown and he is wearing thong-style underwear; he turns and the front of the thong is shown. A man is shown wearing his pants and boxers around his ankles, his shirt is covering his private parts, he exits a bathroom, and then passes out on top of another man. A young woman is shown wearing a small towel wrapped around her body. Women are shown wearing mid-drift revealing shirts, low-cut tops and short shorts and skirts. A young woman is shown removing her jacket and pants, and in the process exposing her underpants; she wears a low-cut, short, strapless dress. A poster of a woman wearing a bikini reveals bare abdomen, legs and cleavage. A room is plastered in pictures of women in various states of undress. A woman wearing very short shorts and a low-cut, mid-drift revealing shirt is shown suggestively straddling a motorcycle. A small, nude female shaped devil sculpture is shown being painted.
A dog is shown mounting another dog in front of two men; one man points out the two dogs copulating and infers that the other man will soon face a similar mating, one man chastises the two dogs, stating that one will not dominate the other and the two dogs are shown humping in a small birdhouse.
A small robot humps the leg of a woman, a man refers to this as perverted and points out that the robot is nude; the woman says that she doesn't mind the action and uses a seductive voice to lure a small robot to her. A woman implies deriving gratification from a car engine.
A man is shown under a very large robot, and what appears to be simulated male genitals are shown on the robot; the man then mentions the resemblance, and states that he is directly under the genitals, using both anatomical and crude names.
A man and woman embrace in a passionate kiss. A young man and young woman are shown in a passionate kiss.
A woman under the obvious influence of drugs says seductively, "Oh Professor, I'd do anything for an A" when she is pinned to the ground by a man trying to control her. A woman tells a group of passersby that her son had recently "had his cherry popped" and stating that she heard him engage in sexual intercourse. A man says he can "get his freaky freak on," implying sex. A man uses a rude hand gesture and, using crude language, implies that another man is performing sexual actions on a man's genitals. A woman and man discuss sexual intercourse with thinly veiled allusions in front of a young man. A woman frankly tells a man that she is "good in bed." A man asks if he can "sit and watch" a man and woman having intercourse. A man tells a woman that he loves it when she speaks and asks her to repeat a specific non-sexual phrase, but in a sexual manner. A man verbalizes his disappointment about not being able to have sex with a woman. A man says that a place is "stacked with hotties" and full of "pretty betties" and discusses a website which flashes on a computer screen showing pictures of women. A man uses very suggestive words as thinly veiled sexual references (nubile, virgin, throbbing) during a group lecture on astronomy. A man says that he is a "one woman man." A woman jokingly asks if a man has finally reached puberty. A man says that a woman is "hot" after he looks over her body suggestively. A woman says that women like "dangerous men." A man says that he has prepared a kit for the woman to use when they video chat, including candles, implying setting a sexual mood. A woman answers her cellphone, the caller's voice sounds distorted and she comments that the person is a perverted "mouth-breather." A man refers to a woman as having "options," implying that she could be involved in a romantic/sexual relationship with other people. A young man refers to himself as the "fruit of [your] loins" in a discussion with his parents. A man tells another man to "tighten his sphincter." A woman says she is going to go skinny-dipping.
5 not fully enunciated F-words, 9 scatological terms, 12 anatomical terms, 16 mild obscenities, sexual exclamations, a car is shown with a sticker that reads "Suck my Popsicle," name-calling and disparaging terms 19 religious exclamations.
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Do you really work in fast food? Are you thirty to thirty-one as implied in your screenname? I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just curious. You seem too informed to be a burger flipper, although you're really weird and political, so I can see how that might freak out 98% of living people.
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If you go by profit....in the last 20 years Dances With Wolves, Forrest Gump, Braveheart, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings: Return of the King (helloooo), The Departed and Slumdog Millionaire....all HUGE box office successes....ok Slumdog picked up steam after it won but it had already made a TON of profit by then on its own.
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Jun 27, 2009 8:55:15 PM CDT
TF2 Producers - what are you doing in regards to CTM
by miyamoto_musashi
Why do you care so much ?
You haven't made a quality movie, Harry sees it, the vast majority of critics know that (see rotten tomatoes or metacritic), but it is making tonnes of money and clearly that is what you care about.
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Pixar is calculated to fool critics and fans? How about... critics and fans like Pixar, because Pixar makes good movies and cares about their product? Pixar movies are calculated, in the sense that smart people think about things such as plot, characterization and meaning, and not just explosions and sweaty 22-year old women. Wow. How are you able to be a (presumable) fan of "Lost" and yet you hate Pixar and love "Transformers"? Does someone have to explain the plot to you in crayon pictures?
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Jun 27, 2009 9:05:04 PM CDT
LOOKS LIKE DON MURPHY CALLED FELLOW SP ANTI-SEMITE'S....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
What's the matter Murphy, doesn't Transformers ROTF's estimated 125 million two day take fill the hole in your soul where your masculinity and sense of artistic integrity should be you fat pussyface. Or did you look through your contract and realize that your cut of the gross will be the sweat off of Bay's balls? Or did Boborci go crying to you and did you offer him some tissue from the massive wad you stuff down your pants? TheBatDad there never was a restraining order. Jimmy Hatcher decided to close registration so he and his fellow racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, conservative friends could circle jerk each other in their own private echo chamber about how awesome they are. As for claiming that I was a part of that, I’m guessing you mean the person who was posting under my name, probably the same one who hacked that e-mail address, committing a Federal crime that The Scorched-Planet was complicit in by posting that information on the website. Not to mention the campaigns of harassment you waged on anyone you couldn’t shout down. For all of your posturing and despite how FUCKING AWESOME you claim you’re lives are you’re such pathetic fucking worms which is why it’s so easy to bait you. Oh and which one of you got my facebook account closed? Hacked by your friends like my e-mail account?
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I just don't like Pixar movies. Most of them are boring, and YES I have seen all of them, so don't whine at me. I just don't think Wall E and UP are good. I hated them. I like drama and action movies, too.
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Hey man, to each their own. You're not one for subtext or nuance. There are people out there that just want to turn their brain off and not think for three hours. Nothing wrong with that.
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Step away from the internet. Seriously. Look, your whole backstory is creepy and weird. You make some good points, but you go way too far with the whole wishing death and all Americans are fat, ADD-addled Republicans. Not even all Republicans are fat and/or ADD-addled. You clearly have had some sort of bad or criminal experience with this site I've never heard of. If something illegal has happened to you, then that's lawyer time. You should be able to get some justice or money out of it. If you did something wrong, then man up and admit it. Be honest. And correct your behavior in the future. Regardless... none of this can be healthy for you. You seem to hate this website, yet you continue to post. Why? Why post on a website that banned you and allegedly sucks? Wouldn't you rather be out with friends, reading a book, watching a movie, or somehow working to elevate your position in life beyond your self-described position of burger flipper? Move beyond the stereotype of angry internet nerd, and towards the person underneath. Look, motherfuck "Transformers". Or any big-budget Hollywood blockbuster. Focus on the things you can change, and live the life you want to.
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Eh screw beeing pissy about bad language. Bad language is one of the biggest pieces of bullshit around. That being said the movie was shit.
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...beautifully crafted though they are, most of them follow a very similar formula (fish out of water, goes on journey, after climax is reunited with his/her friends). Rinse and repeat. Bugs Life, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Carsall have a similar structure and basic plot.
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How old are you? What type of action movies and drama do you like?
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I like all movies from Untouchables to 2001.
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I just get a little defensive about things I like. I liked both transformers movies. Can't wait for Public Enemies this week.
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I enjoyed it. I took a friend with me who's 16 years my junior. She enjoyed it as well. Correction. She LOVED it. I read quite a few of these posts, but I just can't bring myself to read almost all of the 1800 or so of them. Let me say this: The people that made Transformers 2 made it to make money. The first movie did well enough that it spawned a sequel. Does a movie that doesn't do well make a sequel? Look at Joss Whedon's Firefly movie, Serenity, it was made because the Firefly DVD Series Set was #1 on Amazon.com for I don't know how long. They made the movie for $38 million. Do you know how much it made at the box office? $36 million. There will be no sequel nor a 2nd tv show. It's called capitalism. If the people don't like it, they won't see it. I saw it today. I enjoyed it. The main plothole I saw (and forgave, because I know why they had to do it) was Sam's (Shia LaBouf's) cast. Personally...BIG [BLEEP]ING WHOOP! We ALL know that he had a car wreck. We all know they almost shut down production because of it. We all know that they worked it into the movie. We all know it was going to be IN the movie. IT HAPPENS. I applaud Shia for going on with it. He's a trooper. People are going to this movie in droves. I tried to get into the local theaters on Tuesday night for the midnight showing...I couldn't. Why? They were SOLD OUT. That is the FIRST TIME that has ever happened. ALL the movie theaters in the area were SOLD OUT. Transformers made $60.6 million on Wednesday ALONE. $125.9 million for Wednesday through Friday! People are going to see it. This movie will MAKE MONEY. There WILL BE a 3rd Transformers movie. IT IS A GIVEN. If you don't like the movie, don't see it. Please don't talk bad about the writers who take time out of their day and away from their families to post on here. Harry is paid to make his reviews, be they for or against a movie. The companies who pay to have their movies advertised on here know that. They know that for every person that posts in these threads/talkbacks/etc there are probably 100 people who don't. They want the MOST exposure they can get to everyone. It takes about 9 times for a person to be exposed to something before they remember it. Transformers 2? Well, with its rich history (before the new animated series [which I enjoy, by the way] and the previous movie), it is a given that everyone will know it after the first time they see it, but the more they see advertising for it, the more they're going to want to see it (most likely). I have no doubt that paying for multiple months of advertising here on AICN is WAY less expensive than a 30 second commercial on a network tv show during primetime. Simply put, they want the movie's name out there. They could care less about the reviews because they know there will be people that will go see it, no matter what the critics say. I am one of those people. I opted to not go see a movie at the movie theater before because of what critics said, and then saw it on TV. I missed out. There is an experience in a movie theater that you can't have at home, even if you have a huge widescreen tv in a home theater...it's just not the same. Bob Orci, thank you for taking your time out of your day and family time to spend with us on this site and share your thoughts and feelings. It really is appreciated by some of us. For the rest of you reading...guess what, no matter what you think of the director, producers, writers, the movies, Harry and/or this site, be happy you can actually be able to post your thoughts & feelings on here...there are places in the world where people don't have that freedom. I debated whether or not I was going to post this, but I opted I would. I know part of it sounds like a rant, and so maybe it is, but I am happy that Harry and the rest offer us a chance to actually share our thoughts and feelings about his critique and interact (via talkback/posts/etc) with each other. I know this: I saw the same things that he did. Did I find it excessive for a PG-13 movie? No. Did I think some of was an important part of the storyline? Nope. Did I ENJOY it? Yes. [The wrecking balls thing, well, to be honest, since it was a big decepticon made out what was, well, basically, constructicons, I understood that they had to go somewhere, and it added a little bit of levity for John Turtoro's[sp?] bit when he was calling in the artilary[sp?] from the naval force out at sea.) The movie is made for people who want to be entertained. That is what it did. I enjoyed it, well, I loved it, to be honest. My friend loved it. It was a great escape from the Texas sun and for 2½ hours, I had a blast. The military, the Autobots, Sam going off to school, the little decepticon Megan Fox domesticated, all of it, was a fun, enjoyable, edge of your seat, movie.
If you want a movie that is Oscar material (which, by the way, the Academy Awards are nothing more than what the actors, producers, writers, etc. vote on), then go to Cannes, an art house movie theater, or whatnot, because, to be honest, about the only thing that Transformers 2 might get an Academy Nomination for is...the special effects.
Bob Orci and all from the movie who have posted here, thanks for your time. As I said before, there are some of us who do appreciate the time you take to post and share here.
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Because i don't believe critics anymore. You all suck.
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Jun 27, 2009 11:15:31 PM CDT
Remember when this site gave all those great MIST reviews?
by lockesbrokenleg
And the movie came out and flopped huge? Yeah.
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It was a low budget film to begin with (by industry standards); it cost around $18 million and made $52 million worldwide. That's actually average for a lower budget horror film on over 2000 screens.Check what similarly budgeted movies did at the box office.
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Are you that defensive about a bloated, big Hollywood mess that affects you in no way?
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Jun 27, 2009 11:55:03 PM CDT
TheJokesOnUs, WHY I DO THESE THINGS? BECAUSE IT'S FUN.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Plus, I fucking love flipping burgers. When I was in grade school and my class had to do reports on what they wanted to be, the other children showed their limited vision of the future by saying they wanted to be firemen, police officers, doctors and astronauts. But I marched up to the front of the classroom and declared that I would fulfill my destiny of becoming the greatest fucking burger flipper of all motherfucking time and that my achievements would echo throughout history long after they were all dead and buried. Anyway, notice how Don Murphy and Jimmy Hatcher display the exact same type of behavior patterns as other conservative scum such as Bill O’ Reilly and Rush Limbaugh? They’re all bullies who have to constantly assert themselves against others by referring to their wealth or material possessions as an indicator that they are better then everyone else and that’s because they suffer from severe feelings of inadequacy probably from their small cocks. This hypothesis in reverse probably explains why I flip burgers for minimum wage and have a big penis. Also, their revelation of the name JOHN-PAUL YOUNG and minimum wage status has a correlation with the recent murder of abortion clinic physician Dr. Tiller by right wing extremists who were goaded by Conservative mouthpiece’s such as O’ Reilly and Limbaugh who, once Dr. Tiller had been murdered, threw up their hands and said “It wasn’t our fault that we painted a big red target on his head for every nutcase in the country”. Don Murphy/Jimmy Hatcher display similar characteristics such as trying to shout down opponents with different views and if that doesn’t work then they wage campaigns by posting personal information of their opponent while other like minded individuals use that information to actively harass said person while saying “oh, it wasn’t my fault that someone hacked your e-mail and posted it on my website, nor am I responsible for the people who use that info to harass you”. So why do I keep doing this? For some reason I really enjoy spewing hatred at people, which also explains my love for the movie Talk Radio, and I love it even more when they hit back because, for me, it becomes a game of verbal one up manship, and I sit here laughing my ass off at some of the insane, evil shit I come up with but it’s not nearly as funny as having the Hollywood producer of a 200 million dollar movie talking shit to me except that getting into a verbal bitchslap with this creatively bankrupt Hollywood parasite is like me firing an atomic bomb at an anthill. Finally cockbreath, no matter how much money this piece of shit makes, and as I have said I’m sure it will make a fortune given how may fucking retards there are in the world, within 5 years no one will give a shit about this trash but then you don’t care because you have no pride in your work and when you come on this site you bitch that people aren’t kissing you and Orci’s ass because you managed to suck off the right people and make expensive garbage like the talentless hacks that you both are. But even with all the success and money you make you still crave respect that you can’t even get from a lowly burger flipper and that burns you up like a meat patty that’s been overcooked. Damn I’m good at metaphors.
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Sorry, retards.
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and the only way to defeat those evil plants would've been to put googly eyes on them.
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It was alright, a nice time at the theatre. Better than the first one in my opinion but that's not saying much. I won't be watching it again, not even on video or TV. This sort of movie is only fun the first time and annoying afterwards. It's pretty much a bunch of ridiculous shit strung together with deus ex machinas and comedy skits that do nothing to move the plot forwards. Anyway, enjoyable once and that's it. But I do think Bay is better suited for G.I. Joe cause the military looked damn good and pretty in Transformers, that's for sure and G.I. Joe currently just looks like one big pile of WTF?
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But I think that it's hilarious that it's white people who keep saying that the twin characters weren't racist caricatures. How about asking a black person if they find the twins racist? You might be surprised by the answer...
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Wouldn't the better revenge be to live your life according to your own standards, drop off the radar and leave him wondering? Does he even really come on here, or is it all conjecture?
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...that Shockwave had a mental meltdown of his own when he saw it last week.
Apparently ole' One Eye was screaming "ILLOGICAL!!" and just going berzerk and calling Megatron "a fucking moron!"
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I'm starting to think this guy is seriously mentally ill.
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The movie was too long, and the racist crap was dumb and inappropriate. Autobots should act like heros, not a bunch of punks. What saves the movie are the fights with Optimum Prime, Megan Fox (for eye candy), and the military tech. So far Star Trek and the Hangover are the gems of the summer movies. I'm sure it will make tons of money, but man, it could have been better.
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seriously- godfather 2 is an overrated piece of shit- TF2 trumps it!
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you know, where blatant racial stereotyping is high comedy. and don't bother crying about the PC police, sarah palin already has the job
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Jun 28, 2009 1:31:56 AM CDT
TheJokesOnUs, IT'S BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT CINEMA....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Murphy talks about me on his message board thread called Ain't It Shit News, here's the link, remove the spaces... http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=31346 Also, I'm perfectly happy with my status in life and have a lot of fun here, talking shit at AICN, but people like Murphy think that money and possessions are the end all be all of human existence. Maybe he’s always been fat and grew up in poverty while relentlessly teased about growing up in a town called Hicksville in New York State and feels that by having money and success he is getting revenge on all the people that looked down on him as a youth while in school most especially the girls who laughed at him? At the core of his being is a desperate need for respect from his peers and he thinks that money and fame is the key to that gaining that respect which is why I assume that he grew up poor. It’s also why he has so desperately clawed his way through Hollywood by leeching off the success of other like Quentin Tarantino (making money off his work) while at the same time stabbing other people in the back such as Oliver Stone (with the book he co-wrote with Jane Hamsher about the making of Natural Born Killers) at every opportunity while searching for his next mark. The guy is clearly an intellectual lightweight judging from the movies he produces based on comic books (From Hell, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen), cartoons (Transformers) and video games (Double Dragon) while his first serious stab at a drama (post-NBK which was all Stone) was a bio about the guy who created the TV show A.L.F.. Either that or he leeches onto projects featuring controversial subject matter such as Bryan Singer’s Apt Pupil and Larry Clark’s Bully, mainly to gain exposure for himself as a producer of “edgy” and “provocative” movies that have ceased since he jumped on the Transformers gravy train. Murphy is creatively bankrupt, doesn’t bring anything to the films he produces and it’s obvious that he has nothing to do with Transformers as those movies have actually made money. But once they stop making Transformers movies it’s only a matter of time before he’s reduced to making Double Dragon 2 before his inevitable heart attack and the final indignity of not even being featured in the Academy Awards segment where they pay tribute to the dead as they will have forgotten him and his terrible movies even before his body is cold.
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wow...talkbackers are getting more insane as times go by...
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Jun 28, 2009 1:46:47 AM CDT
HEY, BrightEyes, FUCK OFF BACK TO MURPHY'S BOARD.....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
He could use someone like you to lick his taint and tell him how good a producer he is despite the fact that all he does is drive up the catering budget.
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I had his Facebook account closed because his mom asked me to help get him into rehab. He drinks too much spermicidal jelly to get high. He couldn't get MORE insane.
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For my money is still the undisputed entertainment extravanganza of the year. The A New Hopesque spirit of optimism and unambiguous charm with unabashed sense of fun evoked responses from the audiences I haven't seen in cinemas since at least the 80's. Probably Last Crusade.
Transformers had several breath-taking action set-pieces that channeled the spirit of the 80's cartoon but Star Trek maintained a fun-factor vibe throughout the entire duration of the movie.
Transformers may be more expensive and bellicose, and Halo IV: Avatar may be visually more ground-breaking, but to me Star Trek more perfectly embodies that old school 70's sense of wonder and pure cinematic joy of riding the adventure.
During my first screening of Trek post-prologue when those in your face, blatantly heroic titles proclaimed for all to see STAR TREK was returning, I felt like I was beholding something of paramount importance- something significant was occuring, and no film has made me feel like that or engaged me to that extent in quite some time.
The visual sensory overload of Transformers and Halo IV : Avatar may be more of a graphic cluster fuck , but Trek had it's spirit in the right place and it's abundantly clear with every frame there was some serious TLC behind the scenes. I never got that impression with any other film this year, certainly not Transformers. I don't believe Bay loves the material. The production crew behind Trek clearly loves the material so I'm going with Trek for movie event of the year. -
What the fuck is going on?!
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all Paramount advertising has been pulled
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Show as much creativity as the movies you produce, which is none, but then I’m sure Orci and Kurtzman are writing your posts for you.
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Revenge of the fallen came off a highly successful predecessor, and Halo IV: Avatar is riding Camerons reputation, Star Trek came off a flaccid fucking bomb, an abysmal piece of shit film that stunk of irrelevancy in the form of Nemesis.
Star Trek has truly demonstrated itself to be the little film that could, as everyone and their fucking brother was all ready to smear all over this film. It was a daring risk and gamble the choices made with Star Trek and Abrams and crew are to be commended, as it could have been the greatest waste of celluloid in the history of cinema, but as I said before, when those abashedly bold and heroic titles appeared, it was like a huge "FUCK YOU now here let me show you how a movie can be fun and honor the source material." -
Jun 28, 2009 2:09:57 AM CDT
Transformers 2 clearly not made for the 200 or so fans
by lockesbrokenleg
of the cartoon.
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Boxofficemojo shows that TF2 has made just over 125 million in two days and 208 million worldwide. Any other human being would have spent this weekend celebrating. I feel sorry for you. I’m not going to post on this thread anymore as you’re fucking depressing me. Goodbye Mr. Murphy until the Transformers 3 thread. It’s been fun.
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I don't know if I can in good conscience agree with that assessment, a mere 200 fans? The first film was the success it was because of the fans, not in spite of them.
You know, in a film about ROBOTS that turn into fucking CARS, I can forgive and overlook a overall story tantamount to a WWE grudge match, since the whole point of a movie about ROBOTS that turn into fucking CARS is seeing them knock the hell out of each other, to blazing hell with any plot that attempts to connect said mechanistic ass kicking.
What I still struggle with is the design choices made for the Transformers themselves. The entire organic robots approach was initially to permit the robots to emote more effectively but, the net result simply doesn't achieve that, infact the organic design approach comes off as entirely busy and distracting, especially in non-closeup shots.
More mechanistic designs I believe would have translated a bit better and eliminated alot of the sense of impressionism when the ROBOTS that turn into fucking CARS are bashing the shit out of each other. Prime had a distinct design and color palette, as did Megatron, but the new iterations when they tangle come off as colored treebark indistinguishable. It's just a very unfortunate creative choice. -
what's the deal with people talking about talkbackers real names and displaying knowledge of the advertising scene of AICN? Is anyone else weirded out by that, and wondering why certain people aren't being banned for obviously being studio insiders or people from other forums?
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Who are you reffering to? I've seen Bob Orci post in here a few times God bless his leathered, weathered hide for doing so, but who is from another website or a studio insider?
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just not that many of them left. It appealed to a lot of people. The car crowd, the Shia crowd, the Speilberg crowd, etc. I took a friend to the first one who had NEVER seen the cartoon, and he enjoyed it.
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..calling each other racists. You see we are extremely sensitive, intelligent and caring people and because of this we are actually better at sniffing out hidden racism than non-white people.
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The majority of people, simply go to the movies to be entertained, that majority doesn't frequent these message boards. That's sort of the point, the majority of people seek escapism and pure cotton candy for two hours to get away from their lives or, simply to be entertained by the newest and brightest. For whatever reason, the majority of those posting on these boards HAVE the luxury of infinite discussion and analysis on the merits of what constitutes high art in film.
Now, the contingent that cries foul at a dumb summer popcorn film probably have their hearts in the right place, but clearly there heads aren't.
Would you really want to see a Transformers movie with Optimus Prime lounging in a recliners smoking a pipr with a bathroom talking about "Oh but that the dread of something after death, the undiscovered country from whose bourne no traveler returns puzzles the will, and makes us rather bear those ills we have, than fly to others... yadda yadda."
No of course not. You want a film that is a large scale version of what you did when you were a kid (assuming you had a healthy child-hood) playing with the toys and figuring out how best and quickly to get these mother fuckers fighting and destroying each other. I like Kubrick, Clark, Bradbury, Welles, Ellison, et al. That's the meat and potatoes. I don't want a two hour film about 60 feet talk robots pontificating on the meaning of it all, that sort of defeats the purpose of having 60 ft. tall robots. You have your meat and potatoes, and you have your desert in the form of fluff films like this as well, and there's no reaosn whatsoever why both can't be enjoyed. Unless of course, your parents failed you and you are all intellect with no imagination in which case, you probably shouldn't be watching such low-brow entertainment anyway, but rather, doing something constructive and positive that benefts humanity, using that vast keen intellect you possess, as opposed to wasting your life on a message board. Catch my drift? -
Everyone wants to see profits grow from quarter to quarter. But, as is ONLY NATURAL, profits should fluctuate: ups and downs. What's stupid is that when box office receipts are down (for example) after steady years of growth, everyone sees it as a massive failure. Same goes for tv ratings. Not every year can be a record breaker. To expect *another* record breaker the following year is just stupid.
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The majority of people, simply go to the movies to be entertained, that majority doesn't frequent these message boards. That's sort of the point, the majority of people seek escapism and pure cotton candy for two hours to get away from their lives or, simply to be entertained by the newest and brightest. For whatever reason, the majority of those posting on these boards HAVE the luxury of infinite discussion and analysis on the merits of what constitutes high art in film.
Now, the contingent that cries foul at a dumb summer popcorn film probably have their hearts in the right place, but clearly there heads aren't.
Would you really want to see a Transformers movie with Optimus Prime lounging in a recliners smoking a pipr with a bathroom talking about "Oh but that the dread of something after death, the undiscovered country from whose bourne no traveler returns puzzles the will, and makes us rather bear those ills we have, than fly to others... yadda yadda."
No of course not. You want a film that is a large scale version of what you did when you were a kid (assuming you had a healthy child-hood) playing with the toys and figuring out how best and quickly to get these mother fuckers fighting and destroying each other. I like Kubrick, Clark, Bradbury, Welles, Ellison, et al. That's the meat and potatoes. I don't want a two hour film about 60 feet talk robots pontificating on the meaning of it all, that sort of defeats the purpose of having 60 ft. tall robots. You have your meat and potatoes, and you have your desert in the form of fluff films like this as well, and there's no reaosn whatsoever why both can't be enjoyed. Unless of course, your parents failed you and you are all intellect with no imagination in which case, you probably shouldn't be watching such low-brow entertainment anyway, but rather, doing something constructive and positive that benefts humanity, using that vast keen intellect you possess, as opposed to wasting your life on a message board. Catch my drift? -
That should read "lounging in a recliner smoking a pipe with a bathrobe on."
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WTF are you babbling on about? You've been in this thread all day, so don't yell at other people who post on message boards. At least I don't act like i OWN the fucking board. Get a clue, asshole.
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Paramount is pretty happy with a shit eating grin, Star Trek exceeded splendidly every accountants best case scenario for the studio. Infact, I'm 36 years old, and I never, in my entire life, ever, envisioned anything with the title Star Trek associated with it pushing 250 million domestic. That figure is just absolutely unprecedented for a franchise that has languished in niche market for years.
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What the fuck are you talking about man? Are you some kind of a God damn idiot? I asked you a simple question who you were talking about that is from another message board, and what you meant by your post, as I HAVENT been on this thread all day. Are you a fucking retard or what? Go back and re-read my question to you fuckhead before you go off on someone without knowing what the fuck you are talking about.
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I actually got tired of seeing big, giant robots fighting and I'm a student of 3D animation. I thought Terminator Salvation was bad. At least the first Transformers felt like it had a soul — even though it was mindless crap. This movie is beyond anything I have ever seen. It is mindless crap to the 10th power with a cherry on top. My young cousin who I saw it with, is fourteen and loved it. I shudder to think that his peers — who also loved it — will one day be in prominent positions in the film industry.
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Objectionable "Goonies" material:
Asian and Italian AND developmentally disabled stereotypes, kids swearing in every scene, low-level toilet humor, etc, etc.... "Monster Squad" much the same, with the exception of a Jewish stereotype in place of an Asian or Italian.
Not that I'm saying I don't enjoy those movies, just that if you're going to crucify one, don't try to defend the other. -
is one dumb asshole. those depictions of skidz and mudflap was obviously racial stereotypes. oh, and besides the belligerence they don't "read".ppl that would defend this sophomoric piece of shit especially transfans, are obviously biased.ergo their opinions don't count.
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but certainly better than Bayhem's latest.
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Transformers 2 was fucking awfully insulting.
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I'm not sure what you were expecting or what serves as Trek to you man, but "dreadful" isn't a word applying to the film I could ever concieve, I've been a fan since 76 or so, and this movie hit all the right buttons , theme, and tone to capture the spirit of the original show.
I think maybe the problem with a few fans is that we were served such a heaping steaming pile the entire duration of the Berman era fans were acclimated to smelly pirate hooker versions of Trek and fell so far from the original show they wouldn't recognize a return to that sort of spirit.
Did the movie have flaws and glaring plot holes? Absolutely, but so did Star Wars, The Dark Knight, and basically every other profound genre movie to come along the pipe in the last 25 years.
I remember when Wrath of Khan premiered there was a certain backlash much like this film from a small contingent, "Khan didn't know Chekov, they killed Spock," etc, and that film is considered the greatest Trek film now. Not anymore. Not only is this new Trek film the greatest Trek, it's also one of the best movies I've seen in a long, long time, and would EASILY fit in the pantheon fun classic 80's films we were all raised on.
Since this film was structured based on A New Hope, I'm actually expecting the next to be the Empire Strikes Back mode: Darker in tone, main heroes split up majority of the movie, a cliffhanger ending, heroes getting bloodied and battered,the villains getting the better of the heroes, and then the third film structured like Return of the Jedi where everything falls back into place and there is resolution. -
Please!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're my new white friend.
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I'm a black guy who found the film racist and still enjoyed it (not that I'll ever say that it was a "good film"). Though what does bother me is the fact that Spike Lee's prediction in Bamboozled (as someone earlier here posted) basically came true, judging by the B.O. numbers. I'll take blatant racism over ignorance any day. Well...I guess having a Black President kinda evens it out... wait...no not really.
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Caught the movie yesterday, not a bad flick at all. Eat it Harry!
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"...There has also been considerable negative reaction to the characters Mudflap and Skids, who are alleged to embody racist stereotypes. Manohla Dargis of the New York Times said that "the characters [...] indicate that minstrelsy remains as much in fashion in Hollywood as when, well, Jar Jar Binks was set loose by George Lucas."[164] Critic Scott Mendelson said, "To say that these two are the most astonishingly racist caricatures that I've ever seen in a mainstream motion picture would be an understatement."[165] Harry Knowles, founder of Ain't It Cool News, went further, asking his readers "not to support this film" because "you'll be taking [your children] to see a film with the lowest forms of humor, stereotypes and racism around."[166] Director Bay has attempted to defend the film as "good clean fun" and insisted that "We're just putting more personality in."[167] Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman responded to the controversy with "It’s really hard for us to sit here and try to justify it.I think that would be very foolish, and if someone wants to be offended by it, it’s their right. We were very surprised when we saw it, too, and it’s a choice that was made. If anything, it just shows you that we don’t control every aspect of the movie." Yeah, nice try Orci but way too late as this sequel is getting shitty reviews. one can only imagine the further fallout from the racial stereotypes. kiss your career goodbye asshole.
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Because I'm not going to waste money watching it, not will I waste time when it comes on TV. There's an overabundance of entertainment already, enough to fill several lifetimes. I don't know why you guys who hated it bothered to watch it in the first place.
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The physical embodiment of the lowest common denominator.
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The Grand Ayatollah of lowest common denominators.
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I think that's the first time that has happened. Normally I don't even read his reviews because they tend to be somewhat incoherent and profane.
The amount of swearing by the Autobots was definitely off putting. I realize kids these days use and hear it more than when I was young, but still... that doesn't mean it belongs in this movie, particularly coming from the "good guys". What exactly was the point of showing dogs humping, not once but TWICE?
I enjoyed the first one (wasn't great, but had it's moments and showed some promise) and wanted to love this... but it was just too crass. -
I don't get all the complaints about the length... the first one was nearly 2 1/2 hours as well.
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Star Trek is not better than Khan. The new film was an entertaining film but it doesn't have the intellect or weight of Khan.
Also, what the fuck is Halo IV: Avatar? Halo, like many games, ripped off Aliens which in turn took ideas from Heinlein's Starship Troopers. Cameron wrote his first treatment for Avatar in 1995. That was six years before Halo came out. Halo owes a hell of a lot more to Cameron than the other way around. -
And I went into TF:RotF expecting it to be a steaming pile of crap and what I got was a entertaining boom for 2.5 hrs. After hearing all the crap about how this is worse than the worst film I ever watched, how it's offensive and disgusting and mysoginistic... You guys really need to pull your heads out of your arses. No it's not great, it has no brain and I'll only know the names of the various robots from the kids toys, but you would have to be willfully refusing to enjoy any part of this film to give it the reviews AICN have been giving it. I took my 2 sons to see it and yes at times i did feel it was borderline inappropriate for the really young kids, but then Bay didn't make this for the really young kids. The demographic it's made for is plastered all over the screen for the entire movie. It's for mid-teens and students who just want to eat pizza, way too much sugar (or whatever they can get wasted on) and enjoy a stupid Boomfest. And thats what the people who go see this movie should do. Check your brain and your expectations at the door and watch Dude, Where's My Transfoming Alien Robot. Then you'll enjoy it and not come across like a bunch of know-it-all, self-aggrandising arseholes.
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Once upon a time, Michael Bay just came back from a holiday. A tropical island in Indonesia, called Aceh. He visited his old friend, Spielberg. He didn't bring any fancy souvenir, but instead, he brought Ganja. It was a bright sunday morning when the incident occurred.
"Bay-man!, Sup bro!”. As expected, Spielbie was on his bike and pretend that he’s Tintin, his current obsession.
“Nuthin, just got back from holiday, I got sumthin for ya”.
“What is it?”
“guess!”
“ermm…Another alien eggs? Or Shia LaBeou’s post-card…maan I love that kid!”
“Naah, it’s just Ganja…just came back from Aceh”
“Wow…we should try, so how’s the Rasta-man doing there?”
“Erm…Rasta-man?”
”Yeah, I mean, Aceh is somewhere around Jamaica, right?”
“Nah, it’s in Indonesia. I met the CEO of Nokia also there. Their stuff sold well there”
“Those Japanese….hey let’s try the stuff”
In a couple minutes after, the two old geezer’s faces start to look like Pokemon somehow.
“Bay-man…how’s the Transformers project goin, btw?”
“Lack of ideas man…we gotta make more innovation”
“Hmm…let’s put up some ideas, roll the joint man!”
As the joint rolled the two old timers start to open the proposed script written by Roberto Orci.
“Man, this is not bad…but we gotta make sumthin neeeew, we can’t lost from Ice Age and those stuff”
”Yeah you’re right, let’s think up sumthin else”
”You know what man, after watching Bat Man, we have to admit we love the joker”
“Why so serious???!!”
They both mimic joker for a moment, and Bay Man pretend he’s the Bat Man, and start makin poses against the Spielbie.
“But, anyway, yeah, we’ve been makin lotsa stuff…seeeerious stuff, but hey, why so serious man?”
“Yeah, I think we should stop being Dexter for a while”
“I know I know, I got another idea…let’s put the alien into human form and put a scene where Sam is makin love to it”
”You mean…like Terminator?”
“Yeah Man!..i think it’s gonna be cool!”
”And you mean we should call Arnie to involve?, I think he’s bit busy runnin the state”
“Hmm…sounds bit Gay, but, we’ll see”
“Btw, Spielbie, don’t u wish u’re black man sometimes?”
”Yeah man…I mean, it’s gonna be cool, bling bling, gold teeth, the style, I mean, sup nigga!.”
”Yeah Man!...i think it’s cool also”
“Hey, do you notice, no black robot in transforma?”
“Hmm, now that I think of it, u r sharp man, no place for black in Transforma!”
“Yeah, I think we should put some, pass me the pie”
“Hey hey check this out man…” Spielbie discovered an article in local magazine while walking limbed to reach the cereal.
“Eeww that looks nasty! Cannibal!”
“Yeah I mean, nasty, but, take different angle Bay-man!”
”Like what?”
“You see, for the survival sake, Cannibalism is necessary, for survival, I mean like..”
”Hey hey, I know what we should do. Do you remember that Orcie will make the Jet Burner into an old geezer?”
“You mean, Jet Fire”
“Yeah that one”
“How ‘bout makin prime to eat the old sucker to make him strong, I mean like the necessary cannibalism thing”
“Cool man…u r slick!”
”Anyway, dude, don’t u think that the Megan Bitch is hot?”
”Yeaaah man, that’s why we pick her”
”She’s hell of a babe, I mean, I think the robots are also dyin to hump her”
”Yeah…I’ll be the Robot….SpielbieTron!”
“But now that we think of it. Don’t you think the story’s bit absurd now man?”
”Naah Spielbie, u r the one who’s being absurd…I mean people love the absurd stuff. …and this time, they can bring their kids with’em Some guy is even trying to re-make a movie about space, that's lame Man!..and the pointy ears guy is godamn old fashion u know..”
“Yeaah…think so”
“I think we should call Orcie-dorcie….we need to tell him these brilliant ideas, did u write it all?”
“Yeah, but…u just turns it to joint man!”
” Damn!...Hell I’ll remember, I even remember the history of Nazi”
So in the end, the two legendary movie makers, again come out with a brilliant ideas that will launch the best movie about robots.
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If I was stupid enough to listen to reviews here, I would have missed a flick with great action, some low-brow humor, and more importantly, Devastator on a big-ass screen. Summer popcorn flick, that's what the doctor ordered. What, you whiny bitches expected Oscar material from a movie based on a cartoon? Morons.
It ain't Star Trek - but that role was already filled. By Star Trek. You want Star Trek, go see Star Trek. Idiot.
It was lot more entertaining than Terminator: Salvation. Mostly because I wasn't sure who the robots were in Terminator. If that's the human race after judgment day, I say throw in the towel, folks.
AICN, you are officially too old, because it's too loud. Dig the remotes out of your asses - it's the Weather Channel for you from now on.
Oh, and to all you politically correct pusses worrying about "offensive material" - grow a set of balls, will you? Or stay home and cry into your man-panties. Nothing is more racist than your mock outrage and so-called "white guilt". -
"Now - I know I'm supposed to be the big Michael Bay apologist - for the record - I loved and continue to love BAD BOYS 1 & 2, THE ROCK and ARMAGEDDON"
All these movies suck...especially bad boys... -
"Now - I know I'm supposed to be the big Michael Bay apologist - for the record - I loved and continue to love BAD BOYS 1 & 2, THE ROCK and ARMAGEDDON"
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If those 2 dumb robots are racist, then you guys want to be hauling the Wayans brothers up by their necks, because thats who they made me think of. That was their biggest crime of all; it wasn't because they were supposed to be black, it was because they made me think of the Wayans. Thats inexcusable!
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Oxi-clean guy is gone!!!!
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Whether that old robot with the walking stick was supposed to be English or Australian. Obviously both sound the same to American actors and directors! I guess English, though I'm not really sure why a Blackbird would be...
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what a waste of money. luckily the pop-corn tasted ok.
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...and you blow Hollywood's lazy robot stereotypes out of the water.
Hollywood can only do cute robots or killer robots. Sentient robots is just too imaginative a concept for the likes of Spielberg, who thinks robots should make cute sounds and make us go "awwww ickle robot".
Transformers could change all that, show robots in a way never seen before in mainstream movies, as living beings with the same problems as the rest of us. Holding up a mirror to us, and them being robots cutting out all the race and gender bullshit we surround ourselves with.
Making all the Autobots goody goody and all the Deceps evil alien-looking drones (having the Deceps look different from the Autobots was a stupid decision by the design team) goes against the everyman concept of the TFs.
Bay does not think of them as characters, and thus he does not get Transformers.
In comics lore Grimlock is (to use the Team America analogy) the Dick you need to fuck the assholes.
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I think Orci is a hack as well. I'll also one up you and say BOTH his summer movies this year were based on scripts that were utter crap. But to call Orci names and personally attack him when he's trying to talk to posters is pure DICK. Oh and incidentally, there's no such thing as "free health care" you clueless moron.
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Even without them the movie sucked.
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Jun 28, 2009 11:56:44 AM CDT
I know this is crazy, but there's such a thing as wishful thinki
by axeemall
1. No Mudflap and Skids. Make sure Bumblebee could talk.
2. Begin the movie with the words “Enceladus, one of Saturn’s moons,” then show Starscream just arriving and reporting to the Fallen that they were defeated by Optimus, that Megatron is dead, and that the Allspark is destroyed. Make the Fallen reveal that their stores of Energon are about to be depleted and that shards of the Allspark need to be retrieved since they could be used to resurrect Megatron (to which Starscream indirectly protests) and reveal the location of the matrix of leadership . The Fallen then informs Starscream that other Decepticons have just arrived, which he promptly introduces to the latter. Soundwave is ordered to get to earth first and prepare for their eventual arrival.
3. After the incursion at Shanghai, and back at the secret base, show Ratchet doing repairs on his pals, while showing Sideswipe, Ironhide, and Jolt eating scrap metal as shown in the prequel novel to the movie. After Ratchet explains with a lot of high-minded techno babble why this happens, Eps simply says something like “Now I finally understand where metal for your weaponry comes from.” Show a little family dynamic going on among the Autobots, until they are disrupted by the arrival of that government envoy.
4. After the freak incident at the Witwicky’s , Sam accompanies his parents to the airport, says his goodbyes to them there, and heads off to college. In the dorm, he encounters Leo, and just as that video of Shanghai is shown on his computer screen, it gets hacked with the name Robo Warrior appearing onscreen like a virus. As this happens, Leo tracks the IP address of the guy.
5. Have Arcee as a single distinguishable robot who, together with Bumblebee, escorts Sam, Mikaela, Leo, and Simmons to Egypt. Make Arcee and Bumblebee fall in love and use them as foils to Sam and Mikaela. (For the plot nitpickers who question how the female gender exists in the Transformers universe, Jetfire claims in the movie that his father was the first wheel. How can a wheel produce a son that ends up as gigantic as a jet? Who was his mom? Has it ever occurred to us to ask why most robots are depicted as male? It doesn’t matter, right? )
6. Since Sam and Mikaela needed a diversion so that they could get to Optimus, make ex-agent Simmons ride Arcee without any sexual innuendos and make him a kick-ass hero as he and Arcee whip up a lot of dust as they dodge the missiles fired by Starscream and the thumping feet of Devastator.
7. Have distinguishable colors for the arms, hands, and torso of the robots so that battles won’t be a mass of confusion, considering the fact that each robot has thousands of parts. Mudflap should not have been the Autobot that escaped through Devastator’s eye sockets, since his red color blends seamlessly with the Decepticon’s red head. And have a non-construction type Decepticon capture Sam’s parents, since many are left confused with the idea that the heavy- equipment-Decepticons on the desert floor also form part of Devastator climbing the pyramid.
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that's what I meant above.
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was one of the most offensive things I've ever seen in a movie,ever. I'm pretty damn white, but jeeeeeeeez was that some inexcusable shit.
Hopefully when Transformers 2: Uncle Tom's Shiny New Shackle hits stores on DVD and blu-ray that'll give Disney the go ahead to release Song of the South.
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Here is to this movie being an awful turd....yeah....I think the masses completely disagree with you and anybody else who thinks it sucks....
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You'll see, he'll show ya!
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You won't need that shitty excuse when Inception comes out.
Nolan will show you how 200 million $ blockbusters should be done. With a ton of brilliant actors giving memorable performances thanks to a great, polished script. With real characters you can root for, who grow and evolve during the course of the movie, and a story that makes actual sense and involves you, keeping you on the edge of your seat.
With mindblowing effects that are used to enhance the story, instead of REPLACING IT ENTIRELY. -
HA HA HA!!! TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN is breaking box office records...fuck you fatboy, and all of you other bitch-and-moaners.
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...your reviews have no impact on anything...they're just funny to read.
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Quote Variety "Paramount’s sequel “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen” grossed an estimated $201.2 million from 4,234 theaters at the domestic box office to score the best five-day haul ever after “The Dark Knight.”
“Transformers 2’s” worldwide cume through Sunday was a massive $387 million, one of the best global deubts of all time."
Michael Bay is laughing at every critic and all of us right now...all the way to the fucking bank. Doesn't mean that it's still not a piece of shit film, it just means that most of America doesn't give a fuck. Third & Fourth film? You fucking bet they'll be in pre-production on Monday? -
Are you guys getting a cut of the gross or something? Is Michael Bay your uncle?
I don't if it makes Ten Trillion Dollars. Good for it, the studio and all involved.
But I still think it's one of the worst movies EVER made, right up there with BATMAN AND ROBIN. -
Harry, your review was just too darn funny. I'm going to copy/paste some comments I made regarding this movie from another site...
"There's plenty I did not like about it. ...but let me try to explain myself a different way.
How many of you saw Transformers the Movie in theaters back in, was it '86? I was 10 or 11 I guess, and I remember lovin' it. Most of us who saw it then think of it as a "classic".
Did any of you bring your parents (or parent) along? Did they enjoy it? NO! They thought it was an assault on their senses.
And have you seen it recently? It's TERRIBLE!! LOL, it's just God awful! But we still think of it as a "classic" no matter how crappy it actually was.
When I saw ROTF Monday night, I kept that in mind. And I also thought to myself, what if this had been released in '86? You know what we'd think of it?
...it would be another "classic"! You KNOW, you absolutely know that if you saw this as a kid you would have fuckin' LOVED IT. Don't even try to deny that. Anyone who denies that is just too grown up and has lost any and all connection with their little kid selves.
ROTF is about Transformers. I played with Transformers when I was a kid. That little kid in me enjoyed ROTF big time. The adult in me kinda snickered. ...but I swiftly kicked him in the shins toward the beginning of those two and a half hours to make him shut up and proceeded to enjoy the film as it was meant to be:
A wicked toy commercial, and a "classic" for the little kid in me to remember for all time. The adult in me thought it was an assault upon my senses though."
I think what I'm getting at here is: take some ex-lax and chill out, it's just a movie dude. -
Why is he off limits? You would be the first to attack anyone in here, but because a member of the crew came in here he's automatically red-shirted (football term, nerds)? Get the fuck outta here. That makes no sense. He's in a TALKback. If he doesn't like shark-infested waters....I think you know the rest.
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Yeah, at the end of the day, it is just a movie.
Three thousand people seeking personal freedom, were just clubbed by state forces in Iran this Sunday, so yeah, there are more important things in the world than a goofy movie about wresslin' giant robots. -
Unless you come in peace, like Corey did. He earned out respect.
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Seriously, there's thousands (millions) of teenagers getting pregnant/making babies/getting diseases despite the fact they're literally giving condoms away in teen support centres.
It's no surprise that dumb shit like TF2 is making people stand and applaud a movie screen, (Who the fuck does that??? Stand and applaud at a play or a concert, NOT A FUCKING CINEMA!!).
Parents don't give a shit and are raising a new generation of abused little anti-christ's who'd sooner stab a stranger in the street than look at them.
Predator, Robocop and Die Hard aren't snobby elitist movies, why should we settle for films that aren't fit to lick their metaphorical boots? Those films were also made for a fraction of the cash of an abortion like TF2, even accounting for inflation. What's the fucking excuse for standards slipping this far? The new generation of writers, actors and directors should be trying to out-do what has gone before, not pander to the fucking idiot masses by dumbing stuff down to this degree.
Why not just concentrate on FX and not bother paying writers, actors and the like? It seems all the fucking idiots want is shiny effects to stand and applaud at the end like a bunch of lobotomised seals. Fuck character, fuck coherence, just bring on the shiny effects. That's what the defenders seem to be advocating, there can be no other excuse for such simple-minded ignorance.
I don't expect Shakespeare, but I expect the bare minimum of effort - as good as what's come before with better effects - but it seems the likes of Bay and McG can't even achieve that!! Fuck them, but fuck the defenders even more for not only ensuring it continues, but actively excusing it and trying to pass dissenters off as snobs. Fucking morons!! -
Jun 28, 2009 1:56:42 PM CDT
I'D RATHER GET DIDDLED BY HARRY THAN WATCH BAYFORMERS 2
by bringingsexyback
At least it would feel good.
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JUST BECAUSE IT'S MADE A LOT OF MONEY DOES NOT MEAN IT'S A GOOD MOVIE!!!!
IT IS NOT A DEFENCE, IT IS NOT AN EXCUSE, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE!!
FUCKTARDS, GET IT THROUGH YOU'RE THICK, SCREEN-CHEERING SKULLS.......BOX OFFICE DOES NOT EQUAL QUALITY!!!!!!! -
Yes, that would have been much better.
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I agree 100%. TF2 had a lot of what made TF:TM great back in the day. Mainly excessive violence and unexpected profanity. You have to call out your inner ten year old to enjoy it, considering you are watching a movie about a fucking TOY LINE!
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It's a fun film though, very much a fun film and people are enjoying it for that fact alone! You people with your narrow-minded "I will not see it" views are wanting the film to be something the entire legacy of TF and its many media productions never was. TF was always simple silly stuff made for kids, in your childish nostalgic minds your still feel it has classic quality and that simply is nostalgia fucking with your opinions. TF2:ROTF is huge, sprawling entertainment and loads of fun, if you can't relax and enjoy this film then you really are a classic, sad, die-hard, t-shirt wearing fanboy! BOX OFFICE DOES NOT EQUAL QUALITY but then NEITHER DOES NOSTALGIA!
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Seriously---this was like the first one, just More Robots, and more robot characters and more stabs at giving the Gen Y fans what they Say they want-lines and etc right outta the cartoon. I'm guessing that's what ya got here. I liked it, the audience seemed to really be into it too-it DOES get kinda longish at the end, but--*shrugs* it's pretty similar to the first one. If you liked that one, you really should like this one, ain't much difference. Swap a city for a desert and Huey and Lewey bots for Anthony Anderson, say-and it's the same.
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Jun 28, 2009 2:50:03 PM CDT
The search for stuff plot was better here than in Indy
by lockesbrokenleg
Michael Bey should do Indy 5. At least it would be entertaining.
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With a different Director. Alot of people did not like Chris Columbus' Harry Potter movies, but many of those same people were pretty pleased with the Alfonso Cuaron's third movie.
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What are you at a ballgame? A concert? I stopped doing that when I was eight at Superman II.
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Jun 28, 2009 3:04:46 PM CDT
The same people talk out of their ass at a screening too
by lockesbrokenleg
What happened? Why did he do that? What's happening now? What did he say? SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
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Jun 28, 2009 3:19:01 PM CDT
KATHY BATES DECLARES WAR ON TRANSFORMERS
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
Even Michael Bay is forced to yield before the power of PURE BATES.
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(guitar solo)
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TF2 makes Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull look like Lawrence of Arabia.
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It's insane to what heights people will go to defend this movie. Look, I want a movie that isn't going to completely insult my intelligence. One where I can tell what the hell is going on in the action scenes, and that features a strong story and interesting characters. These are fairly routine marks for a good movie. So because it's directed by Bay we should just shovel the shit into our mouths and say it was fun? He gets held to lesser standards because he's a retard? I wasn't looking for Oscar material when I saw the first movie, and I still hated it. I'd say it's one of my least favorite movies ever. It's on the same level of shit as Batman and Robin in terms of camp and incoherence, yet why aren't people defending Joel Schumacher? The fact that it just grossed $200 million boggles my mind.
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I believe Jetfire had an Aussie accent in one of the more recent cartoon incarnations, so that's probably what they were going for.
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You don't get it, do you. That's okay, kinda whisked over your head there didn't it. LOL Oh well, adios (done with this thread)!
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I really didnt have an issue with this movie. What the hell were you expecting Shakespere? Or how about a romantic comedy, would that have made things better for you?
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Trek didn't do it for me at all. Kurtzman and Orci just can't write. They took the iconography of Trek and applied it to a bad remake of Star Wars. Standards in event pictures have fallen so low Trek was received as some kind of great piece of filmmaking. Bizarre.
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I just re-read your post and then my reply to it. I still don't see where I'm missing anything, because it seems to me we agree that the 1986 movie was loved by kids at the time the way kids these days love the Bay movies. Looking back you know it's crap, but you still have a fondness for it, and the new stuff is also crap, but if you can relax and watch it with a kid's mentality, you can enjoy it.
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"..He said 'I don't mess with the Wii to be honest with you. It's kind of an amateur console. I'm not into the Wii thing.
'This is how in a simple way you can find out if it's a gamer you want to play with. Ask them if they have a Wii. If they say yes, get the f**k out of there.'
We're sure the makers of the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Wii version be delighted with Shia's comments."DUH! -
think shit like Donnie Darko is brilliant.
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The above quote was from Yahoo News and I've just noticed the missing word in the sentence.Maybe it was written by an AICN TBer?
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Jun 28, 2009 4:15:47 PM CDT
by Kief_Ledger - you want a movie that won't insult your intelli
by ceejaynightwing
..yet you want it to be based on toys robots?!?! That's like wanting Ice Cream but not wanting it to be cold! Seriously, give up on trying to hate this movie for being what it is and find something you do like!
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Last time I checked, Toy Story is based on childrens toys. Yet, it is a terrific film that has more heart and excitement in one minute than the two Transformers films have together.
Robocop is a film where the concept involves a robot cop. A ROBOT COP! If Bay directed it, his defenders would say, "Well, what did you expect from a robot cop movie."
Any concept can be made into a quality movie if you have a smart director and a smart screenwriter. Transformers has neither. -
That has millions of characters.
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and is considered one of the best animated series at its time.
the comics [dreamwave,idw,idw,marvel] have great stories,really great with strong characterization,clever stories and moral messages.
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Actually, a few characters in there are based on established toys. If not lifted wholesale.
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get sued. Also, some would argue that Robocop was a piece of shit, and cult classic.
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So - what's your point?
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You STILL think Transformers is shitty, and we know that. This site posted 10 reviews a few days ago saying it was shitty, yet, it made a pile of money. What was the point?
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about the movie.
although i am a big fan of the TF universe,and i dont like bay as a director,i acknowledged the problems he had to face in order to translate this huge franchise into the big screen.
and i agreed with spielberg when he was saying that the hear of the movie must be the boy and his alien car [something like ET] in order for the audience to have a character to relate to.he was right.
so i gave a chance to bay and waited for the final movie.during the time of the movies creation,i was defending it here in the talkbacks,and was very critical of the haters here.
when i watched it,there were things i loved,and things i hated,but overally he had done a pretty good job to deliver a decent summer popcorn movie with big fuckin robots.
the movie was a huge success,and a sequel was already greenlighted.and here i had the hope,that now that the robots were introduced,the non-fans audience got accustomed to them and loved them,i had the high hope,that in the sequel,the robots would be the protagonists and the boy just the companion to their adventures.
unfortunately when i saw the movie,all my hopes vanished.The movie was a monstrosity,a sacrilige to the TF lore and an insult to the art of cinema.it was a product alright,a toothpaste lets say,but a toothpaste with a very bad taste.
i wont go to details why the movie sucked,most of the bad things of the movie,have already been mentioned here.and i owe an apologoy to an earlier statement of mine against Harry.the guy was right to most of the things he said about the movie.Harry i am sorry,u were right.
the only thing i cant say i agree or disagree is the thing about the racism,but i will talk about that in another post.
Guys,if u have noticed already,TRANSFOERMES 2 is essentially a remake of the first movie.Bay took the things that worked in the first movie,the things that the audience liked,he used the main basis of the first movies story,and created the same time,only this time the reused and the new ideas were on steroids.everything was on steroids.
moreover i strongly believe that whereas spielberg was giving to bay some general directions to where his movie should go,here in the sequel,spielbergs control was non-existent.bay got his budget,did everythin his way,and got the chance to freely express his personal beliefs and maybe politics through out the movie.
just watch the final scene of the movie.its a lot like the last scene of the first movie.which i consider that scene,a beautiful way to end the movie.the boy with his girl on top of the car kissing,under a tree,autobots looking at the suns dawn,and optimus final monologue.it was a good nice.
but in the sequel the same scene,happens ON A FUCKING AIRCRAFT CARRIER.do u understand?do u get it?
if the guy,michael bay,doesnt respect his own work,his first movie which he created,when he reuses some good scenes with such an atrocious manner,if the 'artist doesnt repect his art',then how the fuck does he expect me to respect his own work? to like his movie?
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WHAT THE FUCK!!!
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and Batman and Robin here. I've read the comments myself the last time it was brought up. Sorry you thought the people here have taste.
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what would your reaction be to a movie simply called "'Splosions!"? A two hour movie that's little more than explosions temporarily relieved by shots of Maxim magazine T&A? Would you be excited? Or would that be too much for you?
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Megan Fox does nothing but run and bounce (which, while enticing, is not why I went to see it). Can anyone tell me what the robots said at any time? Their voices were so out of sync and modulation that it was impossible to know what they were talking about. Lot's of blowing stuff up. Good. Lot's of blowing stuff up for no apparent reason. Bad. Apparently the Army, Navy, and Marines are very poor shots since they practically expend their entire arsenal to take out one robot. Fallen premise. Good. taking 2 and a half hours for a resolution. Bad. Could have been done in 90 minutes with a cohesive script and intelligent directing. Pot brownies, unnecessary, Mudflap and Slingblade or whatever their names were, unnecessary. By the way, you can tell LaBeouf still has issues with his hand. He was holding gingerly on Kimmel the other night.
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Still hugging your copy of Evil Dead?
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Jun 28, 2009 6:19:26 PM CDT
200 million dollars worth of foul mouthed, racist & misogynistic
by caseymccall
Just for you, Harry. ;-)
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for his 100th time.
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People will hate and like every movie. I don't care. I enjoyed it.
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Pity. Michael Bay is like those jerkwads that made all the spoof movies (Epic, Disaster, what have you). He'll dole out the same old crap until people stop buying tickets.
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I enjoyed it too. But I don't heckle anyone who hates it. As long as they have a valid reason. everyone sounds like they're reading fom the same script.
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And "Transformers"=good? It's like you're the Bizarro fanboy. Ohhh how I wish I could be entertained by almost three hours of 'splosions. Life is so much more complicated having a thought process.
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Jun 28, 2009 7:29:26 PM CDT
Over $200 million, sigh---Summer Cinema is dead to me.
by the reluctant austinite
So this is how art ends, not with a whimper, but a huge fucking explosion of mindless CGI. Apparently, this is what the audience wants, so they'll get lots more just like this. Only bigger! The only suspence now is to see if this drops like a rock next weekend or goes on to "Titanic" sized box-office. Since it's a piece of crap, I'll bet on the former. The rest of the world will buy it on Blu-ray and dvd in three months. I wish audiences would line up like this for something good, but I guess that's not the point. Expensive mediocrity is apparently the safe experience movie goers crave.
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I don't know what movie some of you critics saw but the movie I saw was great from beginning to end. It was Transformers with more action, more Transformers and more fun than the first one. And the robot fights were more fun than in the first movie - strategic action slow downs - Optimus finishing some fights and generally being bad assed. All the characters got to rise to the occasion - their own personal battles to be fought and won including Tarantino climbing up the Pyramid and calling in the target. Just a great second movie when those second movies often times suck - lose their way or otherwise mess up the good they had started.
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Here's this week's scriptgirl!
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i would like to see Bays take on racist, toilet humour. and fuck this 'i go to the movies to be entertained so i dont care if it is shit' bullshit. since when do people not demand quality from ANY form of luxury? Food, entertainment, etc. Do you same fucks say "i drink wine to get drunk, so bring me another BOX!" fucking sad. as consumers you should demand more.
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the movie rocks because I said so. I have excellent taste. PERIOD!
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your mouth is like a parking garage for cocks, bitch.
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I'm sure glad I don't follow in your weird world where we must follow all online reviews to the letter, and not see anything.
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there's plenty out there, you just have to look a little harder. the payoff is worth it.
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that's up to you. Harry's review nearly had me passing on this in the theater but I took a chance and caught the matinee.
The science was sloppy and there were plotholes galore and in the end it didn't matter, this was a very entertaining two plus hours for me. This is a popcorn movie inspired by a toy line, not Shakespere. try to enjoy it rather that be outraged that it doesn't match your image of a 'proper' Transformers movie. -
yeah, Tiffany & Co. are plenty concerned with making money, but at least they deliver a nice product.
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as a consumer i don't want to TRY and enjoy anything. either i enjoy it or i don't.
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Jun 28, 2009 8:04:30 PM CDT
LAST THING, A PICTURE OF SHIA LABEOUF'S REAL TALENT....
by charlesthomasmathews1978
Remove the spaces... http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1410/spielberg2.jpg
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i actually thought it was alright
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Thank you for bringing me back to reality, I don't know what fantasy Earth I was living on.
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Nothing is more funny to me than reading some of these self appointed critics of what is good bemoaning the fact that people like whatever they like. "But I say it's Crap! Waaa, why don't you all agree with me!" - Hey whiners - write your own script, write your own novel that you'll like and you know what? There will be another herd of Whining Emo Critics wondering why anyone would even write that crap. Geez Louise.
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Thank you to anyone who saw the movie. Apologies to anyone who didn't like it or was offended.
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Hate all you want critics, this movie got people to part with their entertainment dollars and thus ensured that Transformers 3 will be made. Think of it this way - you get to rant and rave about how much you hate Bay and how he entertains the masses one more time. in the mean time, I'm gonna just sit back and enjoy the show and a frosty beverage.
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Jun 28, 2009 8:45:06 PM CDT
You silly people you are not allowed to dislike movies
by trannyformers_apologist
All movies are good. People are not allowed to hate movies because not liking or hating movies is wrong. People should gladly praise and accept what ever Hollywood give us. For there is no such thing as a bad movie and everybody should think alike and openly praise everything as being good.
Michael Bay is a genius and a visionary director who ranks with the top action directors of the world. That is why a lot of people hate him and his style just like a lot of people hate and call Spielberg, Cameron, and Jackson hacks. Bay is famous for being a hack like so many other famous action directors which is a sign of greatness. "Geez Louise" indeed! -
and the black robots were cringing. fuck you orci u cocksucker ;)
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While you are at it go ahead and apologize for Star Trek and Transformers 07. I believe a lot of people where offended by those movies as well.
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You know, if you don't like it say 'I don't like it' - don't launch into a "What's wrong with this world, the world likes crap and it's going down the toilet and why oh why can't the world see this is crap" posts. Because Transformers II makes a giant pile of money it's not evidence that the alien pod people have successfully lobotomized everyone in the world but you.
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There's plenty of other evidence!
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SUCK THAT MICHAEL BAY
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Can't say I'm a fan of the character models....or really the property for that matter, but it's far from Batman & Robin levels of shit some have made it out to be.
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In this most recent CG-orgy, flash-bang director Michael Bay and his shape-shifting robots are back to quash whatever crazy ideas Hollywood producers may have about quality scripts and characters leading to big-box office following last summer’s hits, Dark Knight and Iron Man. Once again crafting what essentially amounts to a war of attrition on the eyeballs, Bay and company aim their sites squarely at the 8-18 demographic and anyone older can go to hell. If nothing else, you’ve got to give them credit for catering to their audience.
The film picks up 2 years after the first blockbuster with Shia Lebouf capably reprising his role as Joe Average Teen Sam Witwicky whose girlfriend Mikaela, as played by Megan Fox, is certainly one of the most stunning visual efx in the film, which is saying a hell of a lot in a film that craps out mouth-dropping CGI every 2 minutes or so. Truly we’ve reached the end of the line, folks, as it’s difficult to imagine a live-action film more dependent on visual “excitement” – be they the digital or the Maxim magazine kind – ever being made. Even the inevitable new Transformer films steamrolling their way to us in coming years can only match what’s on display here.
And when it does show up, it seems likely the third film will deviate as little from this clichéd storyline as this one did from the first. Why mess with success? An almost exact duplicate of the first film, Revenge of the Fallen is all about following Sam around as he searches for some kind of key that will keep the world and his robot buddies safe as they fight what seems like a never-ending battle with the evil Decepticon robots. Sound like a cartoon? It is.
Now there’s nothing wrong with cartoons, but then why bother making a live-action film? The answer of course is because a cartoon can’t awe the way these CGI robots and Megan Fox do. I’m not sure which one is more jaw-dropping to look at, but I do know that watching robots with the personalities of 15 year old boys showing off wears thin pretty quickly. Unless of course you’re 15, and that’s the point.
Still, could it have hurt to put something in the story for those of us of drinking age? Perhaps a little more money into the script and characterization and a little less into the relentlessly numbing CGI? Maybe the writers could bother to make the robots and human soldiers who get involved somewhat interesting so that when one of them kicks the bucket an adult in the audience might actually give a shit? And, maybe, just maybe one day Michael Bay could slow his pacing down just a tad, at least in the brief non-action sequences? His rush to get to the next explosion (and truly never has a director – or human being - been so in love with explosions) just makes it obvious that he’s as uninterested in the constant expositional dialogue and 5th grade comedy as we are.
One thing Iron Man and Dark Knight and Spiderman proved was that it paid to craft a film with balance: one with an intriguing storyline and characters with recognizable human emotions instead of putting all your eggs into the efx basket. But the people behind the Transformers only care about the under-18 demographic and they know that when you carefully target male adolescents and make a power fantasy this id-gratifying and visually charged, none of the 15-year old repeat customers are going to be able to notice how bad it really is.
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Bob Orci, I forgive you for calling Leo a Shrimp Taco. Because I had fun at the movies in such a disgusting movie summer.
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Really fun movie. The Buscemi robot was great. Prime was the man. Bumble Bee kicked ass. Loved this movie.
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Oh lord, the march of the Emo Critics from Hell - those amazing folks who might have taken one Theater class as an elective and then proceed to know everything about everything. We anxiously await your masterpiece Rebecca.
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Just so Transformers fans can laugh at it.
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hands down.
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Darko, really? They even know who Ellis is?! But if the character is supposed to be Australian in the show (and why then a blackbird?!) then...
JSM. Wow. I know they don't give a shit usually because Yanks obviously can't tell an Aussie (or Kiwi) accent from a hole in the ground. Most live-action flicks and current cartoons are a public embarrassment. BUT, when you've actually got Hugo Weaving there (the chick doesn't count so much I guess) already doing another robot, why the fuck would you get a non-Aussie to do the usual botch-job to a character specifically meant to be like that? Hey, having seen the film nothing makes much sense but Jesus.
It's an abstract, bizarre world when there are heaps of Aussie actors throughout Hollywood and their accents are so good (we are brought up on U.S. TV after all - even my 6-year-old-girls can do great Yank accents in their everyday play) even Americans don't know. Yet when it comes to foreign accents I'm not sure if it's the filmmakers and actors themselves that are clueless, or it's a general American arrogance. But hey, if I was black I'd be more offended. I do think it's an oblivious/unintended slur, and Lucas isn't racist either. but it can still be offensive whether you meant it that way or not. And the Deli scene? What the fuck?!
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No, Wolverine was still worse. Which is different to saying TF2 is better - like Beavis & Butthead. It's not that one is smarter than the other, it's that one is MORE done than the other. Semantics, but you get my drift...
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so uncle bens first killer isnt dead?!?!?! he said "who says i died in the first movie?" how about falling out of a fucking bulding to your fucking death?!?!?! fuck you raimi!!
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Dammit, it feels good to say that,
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You do realize that the majority of people in America are COMPLETE FUCKING MORONS. These are the same god damn people who voted Dubya into office TWICE. Who make American Idol the biggest show on television, and the people who made Nickleback successful. This country is full of retards, so that isn't a defense of the film.
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Harry's review is boring, prudish, and way off base. It also shows how out of touch he is!
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ugh...wow this decade does suck
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How old are you really? You go around calling people morons, when you should look at yourself. A great deal of people have said that they enjoyed the film. Fuck off you whiny asshole.
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...after all, this is a movie based on a FUCKING TOY BRAND/CARTOON!!!!!. You say it's packaged towards kids? Well thanks Captain Obvious...any other great insights for us? It's Transformers!!! What the fuck did you expect? Look, I defended Terminator Salvation after Harry ripped it to shreds. But even I have to admit after seeing that one a second time...the holes really started to show. But I just got back from seeing Transformers for the 2nd time this weekend, and I STILL LOVE IT. Hands down the best special effects I've ever seen, and probably some of the best action scenes ever. What more do you need? I'm a 31 year old dad, and I liked the movie more than my son. I can't believe the expectations attached to a movie about alien robots. It's a toss up right now between this one and Star Trek for my favorite movie of the summer. Overall, I agree the summer's been disappointing, but lighten up people...this is not that bad of a movie.
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I wasn't crazy about the first one. It's a SPECTACLE film. And I'm not being apologetic. But that's really all Bay's good for. Really cool action set pieces and completely irrelevant filler material between explosions. So yeah, I'm not in a rush to see this. I didn't see the first in theatres. And I bought the DVD only because Target had that nifty Optimus transforming DVD case. This movie is making a fuckload because it looks cool. Don't feel like your intelligence is being insulted as you watch it because you ALREADY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT and we, the jaded film community, know that audiences eat anything that "looks badass!!!" up. The only thing about TF2 that geeks me out is the transformers history being explored. Racism? Good lord I know Bay's not a racist but I thought the disrespect was pretty explicit in the first one. All of the black characters were jokes. ALL of them were comedic relief and they all played off of stereotypes. I'm more pissed about that than you know, "black" robots in the sequel. And pot jokes in a movie like this? Really? That's just unnecessary. But general audiences aren't stupid...well not entirely. They're just gullible and will believe that after over two hours of neat sci-fi action they've seen the best movie ever. Gross is only ever relevant to the people whose wallets get fatter every weekend from this shit. It should never be an indicator of quality. Never. I really wish people would never cite it but here we are.
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These sequel TBs are not nearly as interesting or hate-spewing. There are a ton more illiterate contributors now, which makes me sad. Fuck... I miss the Flames on Optimus chants, Donny Two-Chins, etc. Thumbs down to you all.
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Yeah lighten up dude! Megan Fox alone cancels all shortcomings. This is the first movie I liked this year.
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Cause, wow, no one went to that shit movie.
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You know, I usually never read other people's comments...I just read the review and base my comments directly on that person's analysis. But I happened to glance at a few comments and...I just don't get some of you haters. If I choose to like a movie, that's my right; and if someone else hated it, than more power to ya buddy. When I attack Harry or another reviewer, it's only because they make narrow-minded comments that influence people's decision to see a movie. There's been some movies in the past I absolutely hated that most people on this site loved...and I guarantee you that you never saw my name come up in the talkbacks just for the purpose of belittling someone else for liking a movie that I didn't. Grow up people.
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In the Star Trek sequel, you've got to make Kirk more proactive with a slightly larger sack man. The heroes journey origin is completed, so now it's time for Kirk to cut loose.
I'm talking torn tunics, double axe handle chops, and flying drop kicks Bob. His sack was swollen and hefty in the bar, during the Kobayashi maru simulator, and when he took command at the end , but it's time to ramp up the blatant machismo man.
You've also got to include the obligatory Kirk lectures a primitive species on the truth that their bible is wrong. "You don't understand...I'm ...Captain of the ship, I'm...in command. Your...bible is wrong." These are quintessential Kirkulatory reactions Bob.
Remember- Torn tunic, double axe handle chop, flying drop kick, moral instruction to primitive species and disregard of their bible.
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The fact that such a poorly made, horribly scripted, bad acted film can make over 200 million in 5 days only serves to reinforce the idea that this country, and the world in general is run by complete retards.Here is proof that government controlled education is a failure, that it leads to an easily controlled, easily amused populace that can't even spot shit when it it shoved under their noses, let alone fathom the complexities of fractional reserve banking, the WTO, or see that their Constitutionally protected rights have been shredded.It is proof that people are nothing but shallow unthinking serfs who can't see beyond a cheap popularist slogan, a smile, and some decent marketing...it proof that we as a species have failed.I will not scream "Fuck Michael Bay", but rather I will tonight just open my window and scream "Fuck all of You!"
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Jun 29, 2009 12:07:15 AM CDT
You know, I was all shitty that in Oz they delayed the shit
by half vader
out of Coraline and UP which we've still got months to wait for, when we get these shitty things even before you guys.
Then it occurred to me that it's a blessing in disguise. OUR summer (well winter actually) movie season looks like it'll end on two of the BEST films of the year. It's all in how you look at it I guess... -
Obviously I meant more DUMB, not done. Sorry.
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alot like Megan Fox but the difference is she has bloody impressive acting skills whereas Megan thus far just pouts.
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You Tim Burton skeleton dancing assholes loved it I bet.
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Didn't McG think his T4 was going to big the big summer movie? I don't think he knew TF2 was coming out. Or "Up". Or "Night at the Museum", or "Star Trek", or even " the Hangover".. He should check to see whats coming out before opening his big mouth huh?
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It should have been a winter film. It was another depressing as shit Terminator movie.
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Wow, in the last few weeks I've had to read 2 aneurysms of a review...the first for "T4" and now this. First of all, racist? I know white people, Chinese people, even Mexicans who talk like Skids and Mudflap. Was it over the top? Sure. Racist? Fuck anyone who says so. That type of speaking is part of our culture as a whole by now, why the fuck does it have to be taken as a shot towards black people? What a bunch of bullshit. BTW, all your bitching about these characters being degrading, how about the fact that these "idiot" characters end up turning around and kicking some fucking ass towards the end. I did have a problem with the some of the language though...did we really need a Transformer to use the word "pussy"? Definitely not. And as for the "balls" that Harry fucking shit a brick over....viewed in the context of the movie (they were dangling off a robot built from 4 or 5 different construction vehicles) it just seemed like a harmless gag. I thought there were plenty of robots running around in this one....how many can we focus on at the same time? Character development? What is this, the fucking "Godfather"?! I thought the Fallen was a decent addition, and it gave us a chance to see a decked out Optimus Prime, which kicked ass! And the acting? There was nothing wrong with it here. The parents were too much though, but at least they had a nice moment late in the film when the dad tries to get Sam to leave with them. That was actually a genuine moment, a nice change from all the buffoonery going on early. But Sam's quest to get the Matrix to Prime was intense...I just don't understand how this could POSSIBLY be called one of the biggest P.O.S. in movie history...fucking dumb.
I used to put more stock into these reviews, but now I just check out the site for the news and to see all the dumb comments people make after every report/review. This review went way too far I thought. I'm not the biggest Michael Bay fan, but this one just seemed like Harry had it in for him before the movie even came out. Way too over the top and full of shit on this one. I give the movie a B, and I thought it was better than the first one. I waited a week to see it because of all the bullshit reviews, but I'm glad I went. -
When I was so excited to see this movie, I saw the first one, it was kind of juvenile in parts but fun in others and great to see big robots up on the screen, particularly Prime.
The preview for the second one, looked promising, looked like it would be fun, exciting etc. And it was in parts, parts of it are enjoyable, the forrest fight scene was some of the best fighting in the two movies. But part of it was appalingly bad, hence from me a mixed review a 5/10.
What I see on these TB's generally, fits in line with many discussions, such as politics, that is we seem to hear a lot from the two ends of the spectrum. Some who think its so bad its the first sign of the armagedon and others who think its the best movie for the year.
I look at some of the reviews from reviewers I respect and see scores of 1/4, or even 0/4 (Travers), my feeling there is maybe they can't get past the appaling parts, and enjoy it on any level.
In terms of whether the defenders of this movie are retarded, at times I thought that was a bit strong, but seeing so many people equate box office to quality, retarded might fit the bill.
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Better than in Indy or Iron Man. How cool is it to see Humans and Autobots fighting a common foe in the Decepticons. The entire last hour of the movie is damn cool.
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Well as usual the talkbacks here are way out of kilter with the cinema going public, as this quote shows..
"Despite negative reviews, more than 90% of those polled as they left theaters said the sequel was as good as, or better than, the first."
So if you liked the 1st you'll probably love this. Also the way I remember it people on here moaned about the lack of Transformer action / involvement in the 1st movie. Well they got their wish, now there are many, many transformers and plenty of action. Most of the negative stuff on here, has been shown not to stand up to scrutiny. As usual I say see it for yourself and make up your own mind.
Oh as for Cameron, everyone is different and is , of course, entitled to their own opinion, but to me Cameron is hands down one of the best moviemakers of all time. His movies are visionary (mostly) far frombeing derivitive they are groundbreaking, and no not just in the use of effects. The "tech noir" shooting of Terminator (on a very low budget) strong female character match cuts etc, etc.
The Abyss is one of the most under rated movies of ALL time. Almost killed by studio interference, hamstinging the subplot. The director's cut is one of the few worthwhile director's cuts out there.
His real quality is that, despite a reputation for FX he is one of a small number of directors who uses effects to tell / enhance a story, rather than shoehorning a story around the effects.
Oh I'm also one of those who loves the 1st 2 Alien movies, but thinks the 2nd one is better, as there' more "story" to it, and I think it's a deeper movie. I actually wrote an essay about the 2 when I was doing media studies at Uni. I remember the quotes Alien is just a haunted house movie in space, and Aliens is just a war movie / shoot em up in space. Both quotes manage to be true but oh so wrong at the same time. -
I watch it every few years and the level of immersion (no pun intended) never fails to strike me.
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I'm not pretending that I've read ALL of the posts but what I've seen, as I often do on here, is people using the box office to demonstrate popularity. In particular as proof that, despite forums like this one being filled with 100s of angry "sucked" posts, by a the same few people the overwhelming majority of cinemagoers liked or loved the 1st film. Because of this they are turning out en mass for the 2nd one. They will also point out that with the movie msking a lot over the weekend, after $84m worth of fans rushed to the 1st 2 days, it looks like the majority of people are finding this one fun too. As my quote above shows, 90% of people polled enjoyed it. That doesn't mean it'll up for a palm d'or or an Oscar, just that people think it's fun. Let's face it that's all they wanted a Transformers movie to be. Anything else was / would be a bonus.
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"I think they reviewed the wrong movie. They just don't understand the movie and its audience. It's silly fun," Bay said over the weekend of the many "Transformers" critical detractors. "I am convinced that they are born with the anti-fun gene. The reviews are just so vicious. A lot of them are more personal than anything else."
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It's quality, pure and simple.
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His reaction is on rottentomatoes.com
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as a gangsta rapper,singing about whores,cars and bullets and ofc he will be farting asteroids from his butt.
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looked great. Megan fox looked great. Silly, entertaining nonsense. but the final hour resembles nothing more than a wrestle mania match.
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to make a movie entertaining AND meaningful. People saying 'oh it's just a movie about robots from space! it shouldnt be taken seriously,' your argument holds no water. Any story COULD be taken seriously if you do it correctly and invest in the characters. Michael Bay simply doesnt know how/doesnt have the capability to do that. So he blankets this mishap with crude and childish humor and (admittedly well done) special effects. But a summer blockbuster can have both entertainment AND intelligence. Take the former T2. Terminator 2. Amazing story, amazing immersion, amazing action, amazing effects. To give Bay a free pass because his films are entertaining is too easy. If he could make the battles seem to have real value (something Star Trek successfully achieved even in its opening sequence) where the character moment drives the fx around it, then it will satisfy everybody. Which is why Bay is a hack, and Abrams' Star Trek is this year's best summer movie by far. Overall, I'm (kind of?) glad people are enjoying this film because it has SOME merits, but is it really too much for ask for more? For a movie that doesn't rely solely on eye-candy and childish jokes on such a huge budget? Is artistic integrity really something that means nothing anymore?
Fuck... I can't wait til Avatar to remind us how it's done. Shit, we just had The Dark Knight remind us, and now we're back to fucking Transformers. Makes me sick. That post about Michael Bay's films being porn is dead-on.
And don't shit on the writers, scripts can be (and usually are) ruined by directors. Notice the difference in quality between Star Trek and Transformers 2. Both tell outlandish tales with plot holes, but one involves you so much you don't really care unless you're looking for it, while the other, you can't help but notice out of a complete lack of caring for what you're seeing. -
By the end of Star Trek. It was not much better than TF2. Nobody reasonable is saying TF2 was a great movie. Mainly I think people are reacting to Harry's review, which is completely out of line. He's obviously oversensitive due to his non-caucasian wife.
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Some of it might be warranted, but I also think Bay misses the point. Or probably doesn't care.
He doesn't give the impression that he wants to make a quality
movie just a fun one. And studio's will keep employing him because he can make them a tonne of money.
Hopefully some of the money that is made from this, will help to fund some high quality movies.
My fear is that studios will try to copy this model, the whole greed thing, and this will mean that quality movies aren't made. See Wall-e for how we may all end up. -
Jun 29, 2009 5:13:22 AM CDT
Autodidact - think it would have nothing to do with his wife
by miyamoto_musashi
The comments about racism, have been said far and wide, most people I have met who have seen the movie have made comments about the twins. The comments have been of varying degrees. Orci and Kurtzman have been asked about the two characters in regards to racism.
Not trying to defend Harry, the guy says a lot of stupid stuff, and does a lot of stupid stuff (i.e. not initially reviewing Wolverince, because he didnt get a free pass). But the racism issue is not a Harry issue. -
let me check the reveiw
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TF2 was still a shitty sequel.One of the worst movies this Summer...oh, actually I meant this year.I could care less about Orci's "apology" as it's nothing more than an attempt at damage control.. nice try bobbie.
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I liked it
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in hopes the internet implodes in a ball of fury.
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movies get so shitty? And when did standards drop so much?
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What a shocker coming from the director of Bad Boys I and II. Fuck Michael "Douchebag" Bay! He is the worst director ever, even worse than Roland Emmerich.
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haters, in act i ve been mostly ambivelent about him (though i never cared for his movies much). Shit, I even enjoyed Transformers for what it was, and thought it was kinda fun. But after seeing this crapfest, i now fucking hate Bay, and its really depressing seeing so many people lap this shit up. T o all those asking "what more do you want?" Ill fucking tell you all what more those of us with standards would want more.....silly little things like an actual damn story, characterization, some attempt at 3 dimensional characters that can make me care about whats happening so that what happens in the action scenes affects me as opposed to just boring the shit out of me. Humour that comes naturally from the situations, and humour not aimed at a 4 year old's idea of whats funny. How about action that serves an actual purpose? shit, i d even settle for action that is filmed with any sense of geography, or that is staged and filmed in a manner in which I can actually see what the fuck is going on. Or maybe, just maybe not having the two worst characters onscreen since Jar jar. Or even not having to watch a very long and thinly disguised army/airforce recruitment video? Ok, we get it Bay, you love the military, please make a military themed porn movie and just get it out of your system already.....
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is an idiot of epic proportions, he really has no idea how to tell a story, have a film actually be about something...anything, or how to film good action scenes imho...
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Well the Twin's were a very bad judgment and ALL were to blame. Other than that I actually enjoyed it. It was also fun to watch in a theater in which the TICKET BUYERS clapped and cheered.
I had fun time watching these people walk through a world full of giant robots. I don't know what to say. Call me idiot, call me stupid simpleton... it won't change that this film put a smile on my face.
You know what also puts a huge smile on my face? Films like "The Wrestler" that I saw in the theater and bought the BluRay release on day one.
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had no ability to make me care about anything I was seeing, c mon guys, a movie can be silly fun and still have some semblence of a brain, or a heart/soul...all things this movie has none of...Oh well, glad some people could find enjoyment out of it, to each their own i guess. I really wonder now what gijoe will be like? Will be funny if it ends up suprising us and turns out to be the better movie. Though at the end of the day thank goodness for Pixar, and for the end of the year, bring on where the wild things are, sherlock holmes, and Avatar. At least Cameron will hopefully give a great sci-fi action movie to those of us that appreciate sci-fi action movies that have a brain and heart, and soething to say...
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enjoying it dude, its your own personal tastes/opinion. I just dont get it is all....
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Hey, I didn't like it at all (*shrug*), but regardless...
Congrats to Bob Orci on the success of this, the Proposal and on Star Trek (which I thought was really great).
Just because I didn't care for it, I'm not going to label the rest of the world idiots. The movie's audience consisted largely of teenagers who wanted to some meaningless spectacle, cgi and action. I liked a lot of crap when I was 15. Let people enjoy it without insulting their intelligence.
When I was around 14-15, I thought Masters of the Universe with Dolph Lundgren was a pretty cool flick; of course, watching it now, I can see it's undeniably bad on many, many levels, but when you're a certain age, stuff like this, Transformers 2, is the bees knees. -
Jun 29, 2009 9:02:07 AM CDT
Great! This Means Bay, Orci, & Kurtzman will do the Next Trek Fi
by victor82
Numbers tell the story, folks. If this racist send up to "Birth of a Nation" pulls in 400 million in three weeks, look for Michael Bay to do the Trek sequel in which Spock and Uhura do the Ponn Farr pornstar style and Uhura talks deep ebonics.
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Great Summer Popcorn Flick. Lots of fun, and the opening sequence with Demolisher/Sideways/Sideswipe/Optimus Prime was incredible.
I think that from now on, if Harry hates a movie, I will go see it. If he has a fatgasm over a movie, I'll probably pass.
After all, this is the same guy that had a shitfit over X-Men Origins: Wolverine, because Emma Frost's skin turned to diamonds.
Yes, they followed the source material of the comic books, and he hated it because we didn't have a third telepathic mutant in the movie.
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characters, thematic content, properly framed and edited action scenes, proper use of action to drive the story or say something about the caracters,...and hell the list just goes on...are now liberal art house school of thought ideas?? I dont even know what to say to that.....
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Why didn't Bumblebee fix his voice modulator so he could have a 2 minute monologue on his abusive father, and how that has helped to make him the protective being that he is today.
And I really want to know how Soundwave FEELS about just sitting in outer space as a satellite, and not getting to feel the exhilaration of battle.
Seriously people....CHARACTER DEVLEOPMENT??
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im mostly a sci-fi/genre fan, but sorry I still need a movie to actually adhere to the things that make a movie good...
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Yes, the guys at AICN are notorious for liking crap, but in this case they were right on. Although I didn't find the movie offensive, I did think it committed, in my mind only obviously, the ultimate story-telling sin: it managed to make a movie about giant fighting robots, boring beyond belief.
I was so bored, I got up halfway during the movie for a stroll out in the lobby.
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It was just a reaction to the MANY other posts aimed at the people who enjoyed it. People that dislike the film have valid points. But for the people that enjoyed this film it only came down to pure film fantasy fun. There's no other way to explain it.
I am saddened that this isn't a film that quite a few of you wanted. I remember how disappointed I was when I found out Bay got to direct Pearl Harbor. I liked the Bad Boys film but was VERY displeased with him getting the job. I still don't know who thought he could pull off a film based on real events. Especially something like Pearl Harbor. He's a very specific kind of director. I hope one day he actually tries to go beyond Bayhem and add a little heart, but it just isn't in him.
Pearl Harbor... someone needs to remake that. That tacked on "we dropped a bomb on ya japs" ending was horrid. I wish it instilled the fear and suprise of this foreign country popping out of the blue and attacking a remote part of the U.S. Oh well.
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remakes/reboots/sequals/prequals etc...I guess Hollywood isnt actually to blame for what it does wrong, its really just giving people what they want....
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Like they did by the 3rd Harry Potter... I actually wouldn't mind that at all. If Cuaron, Joon-ho Bong, or someone from the BSG world, I'd be up for it.
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...were obviously victims of the writer's strike. It seems as if they all shot their first draft screenplays.
The exception seems to be UP, proving once again that those Pixar guys are creative geniuses. Honestly, if UP isn't nominated for Best Picture, not Best Animated, but Best Picture of the Year, I'll be dissapointed. -
On the one hand its a visual masterpiece, on the other hand its the dumbest movie ever made. Go figure! Its sure to make a quizillion dollars. De-evolution is very real.Now, if only someone would hire a GOOD director / writer to come up with a GOOD Giant Robot movie (Gundam, Eva, Macross, et al) using this Gobsmackingly EPIC HUGE level of efx, then we'll be in bidness. Until then, we have really cool looking shit.
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Reposting this in case you missed it. This truly is the funniest, most spot-on movie review I have ever read in my entire life. From io9: http://tinyurl.com/nd7dpl
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Who DOES that? Who pays for a movie, then just gets up and goes for a leisurely walk because they aren't engaged in the movie?
Well, I guess someone with A.D.D... Or someone that had to take a piss really bad... or maybe someone that needed a 4th refill on their large popcorn...
Sorry, I just don't get it. I've been in boring movies before ("Year One" is the most recent example), and I never thought of just getting up to go for a frickin WALK mid-movie.
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Well I went for a soda, but I took my time getting back, made a phone call, etc.
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Slumdog Millionaire
The Wrestler
The Host
Red Cliff
Dark Knight
Let The Right One In
Mad Men
Lost
BSG
Zodiac
There Will Be Blood
Observe and Report
Up
There's a plethora of films out there beyond things like Transformers. That's why it never bothers me. Yes I get upset when things like SW prequels and Matrix sequels happen, but movies go on. Innovative and brilliant directors emerge from the ashes to try to create something new and different all the time. Some films will make more than others, but that's just the way it goes. Can't expect Hollywood to bat 100 percent and that's why there's other outlets for film.
Who knows. We have a crazy film made by Bay that is doing well and a T4 film that lays limp from MCG. Both are the same kind of director. MCG is trying hard to be otherwise, but he MUST admit defeat and pursue his style of film. Just make silly cheese. There's a market for it. I just hope that producers understand this. Just because Transformers is doing well doesn't mean you'd hand a film like Gone with the Wind or Macross to a person like Bay/MCG. They have spectacle but lack weight. -
Jun 29, 2009 9:49:28 AM CDT