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Massawyrm pretty much hates everything about TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN!!

Hola all. Massawyrm here. Sigh. I can’t believe my eyes. I don’t want to believe them. TRANSFORMERS REVENGE OF THE FALLEN is one of the most unrepentantly juvenile, gleefully offensive, mind bogglingly inane films I have ever seen with a real budget behind it. And that’s saying a lot. There are things here I never would have believed had I read about them – things I would have found to be exaggeration and hyperbole on the part of oversensitive, agenda driven people looking for a fight. But I saw them, plain as day. And I’m still having a hard time believing what I saw. By now most of you know me pretty well. I’m a Bay fan. I love his over saturated, testosterone dripping romps of wanton destruction for what they are. Michael Bay isn’t the guy you get to tell a great story – I’ll never defend his storytelling ability for a minute. No, Mike is the guy you get when you want to orchestrate and compose a nine movement symphony of carnage and mayhem - a popcorn chomping festival of mindless abandon. He is the reigning king of spectacle – a guy who makes films with their own laws of physics. Every bystander is beautiful. Every car is souped up, turbo charged and throbbing with power. And he can even suspend night so he can show every capitol of every country in the world bathed in daylight all at once so we get a sense of just how important this mission is to every other person on the fucking planet. Hoo-ah! He is one of the most blatantly ripped off, visually visceral guys out there, having influenced an entire generation of action movies...whether you like it or not. But left unchecked he can apparently make a seriously mind numbing piece of shit. This is a film as epic in scope as it is in its failure. As much as I loved the first film, even I (in my review - HERE) admitted a number of its glaring flaws. Fortunately, everything that was right about the movie overshadowed the robot pissing, the goofy as fuck Turturro and the sneaking giant robots. When it worked, it REALLY worked. The storyline introducing us to the Transformers through the eyes of humans slowly over the course of the film was fine for a first film. It was okay because we, as an audience, needed to buy these things as characters over time. And ultimately we did. But everything that was simply wrong or just underdeveloped was excused because, well, we wanted to see what fifty foot robots beating the shit out of each other looked like…and that’s exactly what Michael Bay gave us: fifty foot robots beating the shit out of each other. But now we’ve seen that. We’ve watched fifty foot robots beating the shit out of one another and now we’re ready for what’s next. Unfortunately, what’s next is more of everything that was wrong the first time. Here Bay magnifies EVERYTHING bad about the first. You thought robot pissing was weak? Check out robot farting, robot crying and giant, clanging robo-testicles. Oh yeah. Michael Bay wanted his big cast iron balls in the film and there they are, dangling off of Devastator in one of the film’s defining dramatic moments. I guess he couldn’t get away with a giant, limp swinging cyber-phallus, so he went with the next best thing. But if that weren’t enough, he had to add even more comic relief than the first time around. Remember Turturro? Yeah. Well apparently he had it in his contract that there needed to be a character even more obnoxious than him to say all the REALLY shitty lines. It’s Turturro squared. Then there’s the Joepecicon – a terrible GOODFELLAS joke gone awry in the form of a small Decepticon who cracks wise…incessantly. And worst of all, the frightening sidekicks of the film and the mistake this film will most likely be forever known for: Mudflap and Skids, the Stepin Fetchbots of the film. It’s as if Michael Bay looked at Jar Jar Binks and said “Oh, fuck no. Really? People find THAT offensive? Fuck that, I’ll show them a fucking stereotype they’ll never fucking forget!” And he does. Oh. My. God. They speak in clichéd urban slang, tossing around phrases like “I’m gonna pop a cap in your ass” while fist bumping and mumbling unintelligently in a voice that sounds like a bad Chappelle Show sketch. Then you get a close up. And they each have bug eyes and a gold tooth. Then there’s this jackass comment about them not being able to read. My jaw was on the floor. I mean, if you’re gonna toss out a bad stereotype, at least have the courtesy to make that stereotype a complete badass so as to deflect complaints that this is a deliberately negative portrayal. These mother fuckers are incompetent, bumbling and never, EVER, cool. And all this leads to the worst sin of the film. It’s called TRANSFORMERS. And yet, 90% of the film is spent entirely with the above collection of tools and occasionally Bumblebee who has mysteriously lost his voice again. Sure, the film OPENS with Optimus Prime and all the badasses from the previous film. But they’re barely in this film at all. It’s more about Shia and Megan running around, collecting incompetent sidekicks while half-assing their way through an Indiana Jones plot. Ironhide? Ratchet? They’re all back at the base. They could only spare a pair of sambot jackasses for THE MOST IMPORTANT MISSION, LIKE, EVER! Which leads to the next issue – the plot. There isn’t one. As one reviewer pointed out, this film is roughly a few minutes longer than 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY - and yet it can’t scrape together enough of a story to be, you know, somewhat comprehensible. I mean there are a few story elements here that get strung together into something resembling a MOVIE, but there’s zero through line that anyone can explain. Shia gets zapped by an energy that turns him into an unwitting memory storage device and he becomes the kid from FLIGHT OF THE NAVAGATOR, so the Decepticons want him because of a piece of info he has on a lost artifact, so he has to find the artifact first. Throw in a revenge subplot that makes zero sense (They sacrificed their lives to betray me! But I’m okay and they’re dead, so now I’m super pissed…wait) and a race against time because only a Prime can defeat The Fallen (um, why exactly?) and you get something that you can follow, but never, ever care about. And before you try to point out “isn’t that every Michael Bay movie,” let me say: no, it isn’t. He’s never been this completely incomprehensible. It’s like the script was written in one sitting on a Morphine bender, with the writer nodding in and out of consciousness, thinking that he’d already written what happened in his dreams and simply picking back up where the dream left off. But the action…the action has to be pretty awesome, right? Um. No, actually. This time around it is even harder to discern than before. Bay puts all the focus on the humans whenever possible, with the giant robots doing all their fighting in the background. Most of the time the fighting is so fast and furious that it is a series of digital blurs – the audience left unable to discern which is the Autobot and which is the Decepticon. The audience broke into applause no less than 5 times during the film, but this only further punctuated the problems as it was always during a slo-mo scene of violence. You see, when you can actually tell what is going on, the fighting is AWESOME. There are some truly spectacular moments of robot on robot assbeating - all of them in slow motion. But the rest of the time you won’t know and probably won’t care what’s going on. This film is a total and complete waste; a soggy, half baked dessert of a film that you can’t even say “Well, at least the action was cool.” It is an embarrassment, a pathetic misuse of hundreds of millions of dollars that only serves as the new model for excess run amok. Hopefully ten years from now I can put this in and laugh about it the way I laugh about BATMAN AND ROBIN, giggling furiously at the idea that they spent that much money of robot balls and a cybernetic minstrel show. But right now I’m too disappointed, too bitter and just too appalled to find any of this funny. You know, now that I think about it, maybe Bay got his giant, limp, swinging cyber-phallus after all. It’s called TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN.
Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. Massawyrm
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  • June 23, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I LOVE BIG TESTICLES!

    by EDGARWRIGHTS_TESTICLESOBSESSION

  • June 23, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    PLANT!!!

    by JohnRyder

  • June 23, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Heh

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    God, this sounds shit.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Is anyone surprised?

    by Playkins

    Really, is there anyone that is shocked at all? Another director for the next, please.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Whew...

    by Gd00

    Michael Bay passed his zenith? Unbelievable!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Okay, TRANSFORMERS: ROTF is bad, but is it PEARL HARBOR bad?

    by SpyGuy

    Because PEARL HARBOR sucked...and I miss you.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    this movie is going to be a disaster

    by Turd Furgeson

    Awesome!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    No no, Massa . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . the rights in the first one, didn't overshadow the wrongs. Not even close.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:25 p.m. CST

    2001 is overrated....

    by Zardozap2005

    I've said it before and I'm saying it again. So there. As for Transformers. It's based on a kids toy. I don't expect brilliance in the least. Especially after the first one was so damn goofy and enjoyable. It sounds like Bay Squared this time around. Should do well at the box office, especially after Paul Blart was such a big hit.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    So Massawyrn really liked it, eh?

    by M Bison

    I got nothin.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Orci & Kurtzman fuck another film up...

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • June 23, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Hey Massa...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...prepare to have your balls washed, blow dried, waxed, and polished by AssimovLives.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Ebert gave it one star.....

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    and he liked the fist movie....lol

  • June 23, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Gosh DAMN ths summer is dissapointing!

    by decypher44

    What a letdown. I am one of those that enjoyed the first Bayformers. It was fun. I was hoping that the second effort would be at the very least just as good (to me). But when massa says that he is actually emphasizing the flwas from the first, then I have no hope for this. Damn, damn, damn you Michael Bay.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    It's funny...

    by StarskyandHushky

    ..I saw the movie, and thought it was funny. I dozed off a bit, but I kinda liked the comedy bits, it was like a 'Carry On' movie. 'Carry On Robots', really.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    LOL!

    by Grrrr....

    Ok, it could be that I'm wrong... I'm going to go watch it tomorrow but even I must admit this is starting to sound like a real stinker.... Fuck, the haters were right! :D

  • June 23, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Gee

    by DrMorbius

    Whats the matter, didn't they have Big Robots that Smoke? Isn't that the Real reason you didn't like it?<P>Just think of all the kids who could have said "Big Robots who Smoke, how cool is that".<P>More addicts for you to befriend, how cool is THAT?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Apparently, t's made 8.5 Million in the British box office.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    It's also easily beaten Star Trek's 6 million opening weekend there.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Trannyformers_Apologist

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Which fist movie did Ebert like? Might be worth a rental.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Hey, Massa!

    by HorrorFan81

    At least, they didn't put grease paint on their faces like blackface, right?<p> Ah, fuck it. I hated the first one. So, I'm not seeing this one.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Neill Blomkamp for TF3!

    by decypher44

    Let's get a push going for Neill Blomkamp for TF3 and get a serious TF movie.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    It's also easily beaten Star Trek's 6 million opening weekend th

    by Harry Weinstein

    So fucking what?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Trannyformers_Apologist

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Was it the 'Hand that Rocks the Butthole?' 'Fist Wars. Revenge of the Knuckle?' <p> As long as it stars an attractive woman, it could be interesting.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Movies are ruined

    by fuldamobil

    This reminds me of an interview I read with the guy who "wrote" the Pirate of the Caribbean films. He said he doesn't care about story. He writes a film by coming up with something big and exciting, and then something even bigger and more exciting, etc., etc. Apparently, movies don't have to make sense any more. You just string together a bunch of expensive scenes and you have a movie.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Mr.NiceGais

    by DrMorbius

    NICE!!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    HorrorFan81

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Don't give them ideas.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA<p> *inhale*<p> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • June 23, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    fuldamobil

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yeah - don't buy that. Elliot and Rossio's blog is the opposite of that.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    GOLD!!!

    by IAmLegolas

    COMEDY GOLD!!! Thanks Massawyrm.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Ok....

    by Grrrr....

    ...so is this INDY4 bad. Or, *shudder*, worse?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I'm baffled...

    by porterdsgn

    ...as to why people in Hollywood think it's cool to have characters in movies try to be urban and try to pull if off seriously. If you're not the real deal, it doesn't work fools.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    @ MASSA...

    by jason baum

    why blame only bay for the story/script?! yes he has his input, but orci, kurtzman & kruegar ARE THE FILMS WRITERS, yet they consistently escape having to answer for the crappy outcome of their scripts. and again, i'm well aware that bay gives his 2 (or 100) cents, but i'm always baffled at how misdirected blame gets handed out when it comes to bay films. i haven't seen the film yet, but it sounds like the script is where things began to go horribly wrong...so why aren't we pointing the blame finger at the guys responsible for the films blueprint aka the script?! throw bay's name in there too, but let all parties answer for this disappointment.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    "Why does Michael Bay.....

    by DrMorbius

    ...get to keep on making movies..." TA.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    but how is it with brain turned off?

    by BMacSmith

    what, you were expecting Shakespeare? (obviously you were, because there are only two levels of quality in film: Bayformers and Shakespeare) . Why do you MENSA, Ivy League film snobs demand any sort of quality when watching movies? GET OVER YOURSELVES! <p>ITS ROBOTS FIGHTING! Well actually, its more like 2/3s wacky robot hijinks and a boy trying to bang a slut, but then its ROBOTS FIGHTING! well, i think thats what they are, they could be random piles of junk metal, but still: ROBOTS FIGHTING<p> you expect too much to have a popcorn movie with even a base level of intelligence, even though that has been done in a million or so popcorn movies before...<p> ROBOTS!!!!! Check your brain!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Massawyrn this is a terrible review

    by Dhaemon

    You let your emotions take over your review. Grow up and write a proper one. Well nevermind, if you were able to write a proper one you wouldn't be working at AICN now would you. <br> Never fear Massawyrn, there will be enough Japanese Horror Movies and Fanboy bloodlust movies ripped from other countries to get you off. <Br> Or how about "The Expendables", I'm sure it'll get such a glowing review from all you so-called reviewers because Stallone made you all feel like somebody because he posted on AICN. Wowwwwweeee. <br> I'm done with the biased reviews here.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Harry Weinstein

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Erm... Because TF2 has beaten ST, and that was the biggest opening weekend of the year so far?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    it cant be that bad

    by Castiel

    a friend of mine watched it and loved it. but then again she hated star trek. I'm conflicted. but fuck it i'll watch the bayhem on the big screen cause its out over here.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I'm happy because

    by I am_NOTREAL

    I think Michael Bay is a shitbird hack who personifies everything that's wrong with movies today. I'm not kidding myself, this will make bank, and if the guy's career can withstand Pearl Harbor, it's a veritable cockroach of a career, hard to kill - but anything that puts a dent in his rep, however small, makes me smile.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    And didn't...

    by Grrrr....

    ...Spielberg give this the thumbs up?!! Maybe it wasn't Lucas that fucked up Indy... FUCK YOU BAY!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    orange cinema

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Shia and Megan Fox have admitted that most of their dialogue is improvised. I don't think Bay gives a damn about the script, save to give a very slim view of what scenes there are for the studio.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    IS IT green in here?

    by Nuck81

    Cause I see a PLANT

  • June 23, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Wow, now I am more excited to see this.

    by jackshephard

    He makes it out to be such an epic fail, that i have to go, and i will probably love it.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay is an unrivaled God

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    at snorting cocaine off hot chicks.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    by the way...

    by jason baum

    i'm really bummed to hear that this is what ROTF is. this is my #1 most anticipated film of 09', and i', praying you guys are being overly harsh, but since you are an admitted bay fan...sadly yer probably being very honest. i cannot believe they thought personifying skids/mudflap in that irritating manner was a good idea. i'm not offended by the racial stereotype - i'm offended by the shitty writing. did they hear none of the outrage at jazz's dialogue from part 1?! it was stupid then, so now we get twice the stupidity in the sequel?! i am soooooo disappointed to hear this.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    dammit

    by Nuck81

    I just read the talkbacl and someone already used my plant joke. Move along folks

  • June 23, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Its going to be the best EVER!!

    by Cronkit

    BOOM,POW,BANG,WAP

  • June 23, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    damm you michael bay

    by Castiel

    now i have to watch this movie

  • June 23, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST

    BAY IS FINISHED, AS IS TARANTINO

    by theplant

    THEY SHOULD BE THE ONE FOUND IN THE SAME CLOSET HANGING BY THE BALLS

  • June 23, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    So you're saying it's bad?

    by Bulvai

  • June 23, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    the worst piece of S**t...

    by Ace Calban

    I've seen in a long time. The amount of money, time and energy thrown at this garbage is odious. And for the love of Christ what's the story? Just because this is based on toy line does that mean we can't get a reasonable story line!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    don't blame orci and kurtzman

    by drturing

    they handed in an outline just before the writer's strike hit. i'll bet there wasn't a script. and word is spielberg was far more hands off on this one, hence why part one is much better. it's seriously time though to figure out michael bay's deal with black people; for that matter, with any minority. the bit in transformers where jazz got killed i actually yelled out in complete shock "oh yeah of course they kill the black robot"

  • June 23, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    This Review is spot on.

    by jascozmith

    Yep everything that is said is spot on. It really is that Bad

  • June 23, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Well at least I could read 3 paragraphs of this review

    by ThePilgrim

    Then came the spoilers I think. Don't know cause I stopped reading. This films bullet proof and I'm sure I'll love it. Even those Un-PC ignorant rap culture black sterotyped robots played by that white guy. Yeah I'm going to love them in all their insensitive sterotyped glory. Why cause it's how alot of young white and black people act today. Admit it! It's not a black thing anymore. It's a retarded thing and lots of young folks are behaving like that, some adults to, say it's bullshit then go to your local mall and look at all the types walkign around you, fuck every 25 feet theres a indian run stand with big ass fake bling watches and necklaces and gold teeth inserts then a cellphone one and then another bling one. Tell me I'm wrong..... Nice to see it played up and offensive to all. Oh no they is making fun of black folks again. Nope they are making fun of trends, and this one needs to die. Black culture in america since the 70's has been making and playing out some really dumb shit. Afros, Z cuts, binkys in the mouth, Hydrolics, Bling, Baggy jeans, 200 dollar sneakers, Soul Glo, Hat floating on heads, parachute pants, and songs that only speak of kush, rides and bitches. Yeah eat it. Eat it all!!! Don't play that OMG "You're Racist" shit with me... I voted Obama and my Uncle is black, and I preffer Black chiks over white chicks, There's no way. I hate dead evils like Nazis and shit and stores like Hot Topic and Hanna Montana. Yeah so I'm racist against brands and shit, not races. I'm Glad bay did this. Be offended. It's a mirror, deal with it! I'm so offended, how dare you... Hahahahahahaha. Fuck You!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Summer 2009

    by lochkray

    I guess that this will have to be the summer that Star Trek was fantastically rebooted and...uh...nothing else noteworthy happened. All that's left in the summer action spectacle department are Harry Potter (and as much as I enjoy them, its all "been-there-done-that") and G.I.Joe. And I don't really have much hope for that one - though I would be SO happy if Sommers prooves me wrong. Anyway, Wolverine, Terminator, Land of the Lost and Transformers will fade away into forgettableness, leaving us with a summer of few thrills. At least the laughs have been pretty good this year with the Hangover, Up, and lotsa promise showing from Bruno. Guess I just have to wait for summer 2010 for some thrills.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Waiting to see this movie is starting to feel like...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    ...being the last guy to creampie an ugly fat chick in a 200 dude gangbang.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    How ironic...

    by rfid

    ...that someone at AICN wold complain about something being badly written, given the quality of writing on this site.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Did you see it Jizonme

    by Cronkit

  • June 23, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    don't blame the screenwriters

    by palinode

    Usually films start off with a good script and then things get increasingly clusterfucked thereafter. Except with ROTF - apparently the script was cooked up over the course of a weekend or something like that.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Hey MNG

    by DrMorbius

    I read this post in the Eye Candy TB, think it was Sal Bando.<P>Devastator's got Balls-AsimovLives Doesn't.<P>Golden

  • June 23, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed it

    by D.Vader

    That is all.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    and anyway

    by palinode

    There's always District 9.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I love you Wyrm

    by sfgeek

    I really dig your reviews and yet I have not said anything on any of your review talkbacks. I think that most of your reviews or spot on and I am sure your review of T2 is going to be right on as well (talk about assumption!) I hated the first Transformers and I know I'll hate this one too, but I'm still going to see it to see just how bad it is. I'm guessing that all the bad shit done here is done without care of an audience that would actually respect a live action Transformers movie (like to me, the first was). But I will say this for GI Joe ( a tad off topic), it makes T2 look like Shakespeare. Now that Hasbro film is really going to blow.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    "...but is it PEARL HARBOR bad?"

    by jim

    Pearl Harbor has its flaws but it has a great score and is beautifully shot. Plus it has Kate Beckinsale. So I'm gonna guess "no".

  • June 23, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert with the 1 star beatdown

    by IAmLegolas

    http://tinyurl.com/mbu73h

  • June 23, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Lochkray if JJ's STAR TREK was "Fantastic"...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    ...we have lowered our expectations beyond ridiculous. Remember when we had an awesome LOTR movie to look forward to every other year? My next hopes waiting to be dashed are now hinging on HARRY POTTER.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Star Trek was a good Reboot?

    by ThePilgrim

    You liked Dragged Me To Hell as well I'm guessing. Ha!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    "No," meaning it is worse

    by jim

  • June 23, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Can we stop calling this

    by kolchak

    T2? That title ONLY belongs on the Cameron film. Not this piece of shit.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    The "it was based on a kids' toy" excuse is getting tiring...

    by RandySavage

    ^exactly. It doesn't matter if the film is based on a cereal box character (and they soon will be), a writer can make a great, good or terrible script out of it. <P> Lesson: Even great writers have about 5 really good scripts in them. That's it. Good writers have 1 or 2. <P> Orci and Kurtzman have had a lot of b.o. success so they kept on getting thrown the ball, but as writers they are out of gas, bankrupt, and need to be retired. <P> Hollywood needs to realize this.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay is an unforgiving

    by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS

    piece of shit. "You didn't like robots pissing?" "Well FUCK YOU. Have a gander at DEVASTATORS BALLS!"

  • June 23, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with robot crying?

    by D.Vader

    The Transformers always acted so human anyway. And the robot farting was such a subtle thing that most people probably missed.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Decepticon Testicles

    by Series7

    Your face.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Do the Big Testicles have anything to do

    by mitortilla

    When McG Said that he had bigger testicles than Michael Bay?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Orci & Kurtzman need to be anally raped

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    by Devastator.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Toys!!!!!!

    by ThePilgrim

    Ahahahaha, oh my god. I'm so mad. They ruined my childhood memory of a cartoon created to sell toys... Uhhhhh I'm so Hacken mad!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by DrMorbius

    Did you post your review in the EC TB?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    People just like to bitch

    by Cronkit

    The films good,Eat a DICK with robot balls

  • June 23, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    And actually, the fighting is easier to discern

    by D.Vader

    I don't know where that criticism came from, Massa. That one really confuses me.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    And who claps during slo-mo scenes?

    by D.Vader

    That sounds... weird to me. The only time I've ever encountered clapping in a theater is when it punctuates a funny joke or an entertaining action scene. Not during a slo-mo shot. Audience clapping has to happen at the end of something- not during the middle. That's odd.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    How about calling it TRANSFORMERS: ROTFL?

    by SpyGuy

    Or simply TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE BAYFAIL?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    After the stereotypical Anthony Anderson

    by skimn

    and Bernie Mac roles in the first, is it any surprise that Bay has "gangsta bots" in the latest? Isn't the fact that robots can transform to vehicles and such be enough? Do they HAVE to exhibit cartoonish, stereotype behavior? This is one Bayfest that I'll gladly pass, despite the, what looks to be, amazing effect work.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by D.Vader

    Which is the EC TB?

  • June 23, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    YAY!!!!!!!

    by FuckMichaelBay

  • June 23, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    yer mama

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Nice gimmick.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm is racist

    by pencil-man

    I know douchbag WHITE guys that talk like that- it just makes them laughable buffoons. If anything, it's a comment on jackassery, not just sterotypical urban black youth. I can't wait to see this movie.

  • June 23, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    God fucking DAMMIT!!

    by batzilla

    I was looking forward to this even though the first had too much goofy humor and was... kinda lame but FUCK! I loved the robot shit and now Bay has gone and screwed EVERYTHING UP!!! FIRE THIS DICK SUCKER!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Coloring Book Spoils yet another movie!

    by Series7

    Pictures from a Tranny 2 coloring book. <P> http://tinyurl.com/cngjzl

  • June 23, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    The only review I can't wait to read is

    by ThePilgrim

  • June 23, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

    by FuckMichaelBay

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    This movie is 149 minutes????

    by I am_NOTREAL

    89 minutes, maybe 99...fine. At 149 minutes, it's nearly AN HOUR longer than it should be. It's like five episodes of the cartoon, if you added in the commercial breaks. <p> Just for a frame of reference (and I'm not trying to turn this into a Dark Knight discussion, I swear, I'm not), I thought TDK could have easily lost 15 minutes. I might like it as much as many or most others here if it had. But an HOUR?? When, knowing Bay, it's a hour of explosions and slow-mo and motion-sickness camerawork? I don't even know where to start, except to stay far, far away...

  • June 23, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

    by FuckMichaelBay

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

  • June 23, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Jessy Jacksons!!!

    by ThePilgrim

    I hope he cries

  • June 23, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

    by FuckMichaelBay

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

  • June 23, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    This is maybe a little harsh

    by Tomarru

    I have all my main concerns with the movie in the reviews talkback so look there for more info. I can see the issues massa has with it, theyre all up there on screen for anyone to see. The action though i thought was wholy acceptable and for me thats what saved it, I agree though, the more and more i think and discuss the movie the less and less satisfied i am with it. It was competely wasteful with time, characters, effects and plot. Things just seemed to happen after endlessly waiting through huge dull sections, random transformers would pop up and then die. And in the end you dont really care for what is happening. That said it's still a better movie than terminator.

  • June 23, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Another obligatory AICN bad review

    by CaseyMcCall

    will equal a big payday at the boxoffice. DreamWorks & Paramount say thank you AICN, you lucky charm you.

  • June 23, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    All of you knew it would be a piece of shit...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...the first one, and all of Bay's films, sucked monkey-balls.

  • June 23, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm...

    by Space

    you actually own Batman and Robin?

  • June 23, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    yer mama????

    by Series7

    What the fuck was that? I couldn't tell if you are jokeing, actually only 12 years old? A girl or a guy?

  • June 23, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Can't wait, seeing tonight in IMAX! A real IMAX!

    by ganymede3010

    Massawym is the worst reviewer on this site. He encouraged us to go watch the Day the Earth stood still. And that movie was definitely something we could waited to rent from REDBOX.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    When the Black Robot...

    by DrMorbius

    transforms into a vehicle...<P>is it a Pimpmobile?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    FuckMichaelBay

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    You rawk!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    FuckMichaelBay

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    But The Rock is still fantastic!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by DrMorbius

    International Eye Candy Talkback.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Yes it's true...

    by Flames gotta Eat

    this Devastator has a scrotum. And yes this is as bad as Massa says, I saw it last night. Beyond disappointing and the most expensive mess I've ever seen. There is no story here, there's barely a film. I don't even know how you could fix it, honestly the only way it could be good is if you started from scratch. I liked the first one, and this one maybe has 2-3 "cool" parts which last for about 5 seconds. Do that math, that's a collective 15 seconds of coolness out of 2 1/2 hours. Please don't see this in the theatre so they dont torture us with a third.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Sounds like TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    hehehehe

  • June 23, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Selling Out

    by CaseyMcCall

    Hundreds of tomorrow night’s midnight show times for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (debuting June 24 at 12:01 a.m.) are already sold out across the country. A few facts from Fandango below: * Sold-out midnight show times (on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning) can be found all across the U.S.A., in cities such as New York, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Albuquerque, Denver, Houston, Nashville, Orlando, Colorado Springs, Tulsa, Fresno and Buford, Georgia. * Exhibitors are continuing to add 3:45 a.m. or 4:00 a.m. show times on Wednesday morning to meet the fan demand. * Currently, the film is selling twice as many tickets on Fandango as the original Transformers sold at the same point in that film’s sales cycle (two days before release date). * The movie currently represents 87% of today’s ticket sales * And as we noted yesterday, TF 2 showings at 500+ theaters in China are sold out 1.5 weeks in advanced.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Mudflap and Skids could have been worse

    by D.Vader

    I almost expected them to start eating watermelon or fried chicken. <p> Or to maybe start huffing on the end of a broken, blunt-shaped exhaust pipe.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Yes Dr. Morbius, I did

    by D.Vader

    Just a quick one with quick thoughts at 3 in the morning.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    The real bummer is the racist shit

    by fassbinder79

    Why Michael? Why? :(

  • June 23, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    REBOOT THE ROBOTS!

    by batzilla

    And get the mighty Chris Nolan to direct! He and his brother can pen it as well.<p>Then sign ANYONE but Shia LaBeouf and shit can that talentless SKANK Megan Fox ( outside of screwing she is absolutely WORTHLESS!) and POOF! KICK FUCKING ASS DUUUUDE!!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    oh dear, nobody likes it

    by Brody77

    what do you expect? Bay sucks, Spielberg lost his mojo after JP and the writers are hacks. Add in shia lewank and megan fox (totally gone off her, she looks freaky now) and there you go. That said, I really wanted this to rock. And tell us what happened to barricade

  • June 23, 2009, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Excuse me, Massa-whateverurnameis

    by OneComment

    Thanks for speaking for everyone... "But now we’ve seen that. We’ve watched fifty foot robots beating the shit out of one another and now we’re ready for what’s next" (Massawhatever, 21 July 2009). How does watching robots beat the shyt out of each other get old?!? I'm pretty sure that is why the cartoon and the toy line has been so successful that people fregin worship them to the effect of even getting tattoes and paint jobs on the cars. Is that extreme? Yeah it is, but God bless them for their passion. I personally want to see robots beat the shyt out of each other all the time!! It doesn't get old. I'm not looking for this movie to win a fregin academy award. I am just wanting to fregin drink some beers and be entertained for a couple of hours. I am expecting to see robots beating the shyt out of each other. If they have to add a few cheesy characters and cheesy comedy bits, so be it. It's not like the first one was the "Godfather" of action movies. I'm not looking for this one to be better, just close to more of the same. You uber-geeks are hard to peg on your tastes sometimes and the way you sway back on forth on what you want in a movie. At least you make a living off of watching all kinds of movies all the fregin time and sharing your thoughts on those movies... hats off to you for that.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by DrMorbius

    Thanks, I'll check it out.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

    by batzilla

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    The Pilgrim has a point about the Twins...

    by D.Vader

    Its not necessarily a "black thing" anymore. Its just stupid behavior.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Yes... yes...sing it people! FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

    by FuckMichaelBay

    FUCK MICHAEL BAY!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Won't be bigger then

    by Series7

    The Dark Knight.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    A thought from Michael Bay himself:

    by CaseyMcCall

    "C'mon guys critics? Give me a break. Do you all have short term memory? They killed the first one, and it still became a world-wide smash. I made this for the you, the audience!"

  • June 23, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    The first one had its racist parts too, watch carefully.

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    The Transformers:ROTF defense buzz phrases

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Turn your brain off, it's not Shakespeare, stare at Meagan Fox, the cartoon was a toy commercial, it's not Citizen Kane, Shia Rocks! Did I miss any Bay touchers?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    "An embarrassment, a pathetic misuse of..."

    by LoneGun

    "...hundreds of millions of dollars..."<p>They should use that as a blurb in the ads.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    From Ebert's review

    by Moviegimp

    The humans, including lots of U.S. troops, shoot at the Transformers a lot, although never in the history of science fiction has an <b>alien</b> been harmed by gunfire. <br> <br> Perhaps he missed Aliens?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I mean anyone whose surprised by this

    by Series7

    Must haved not seen BB2.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Ahmed Best is rolling in his Ford Aerostar

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That he currently calls home.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    he cartoon was a toy commercial, it's not Citizen Kane????

    by Series7

    REALLY??? REALLY??? Because I', PRETTY fucking sure that, that "Toy Commercial" was Citizen Kane's final performence.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Surprise, surprise, TF2 isn't good.

    by Orbots Commander

    It'll be a rental for me then. Still it's hard to get too worked up over 'hating' this movie though; it's a movie aimed at 12-15 year olds. It's not really meant for us.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Well, I hated the first one

    by Super Rabbi

    So it sounds like I'm really going to hate this one! Good review Massa.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Anyone who expected this film to be good...

    by rfid

    ...is an idiot. The first one was a truly horrible film--how good could the sequel have been anyway?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Massa... Bay = incomprehensible plot !!

    by ricarleite2

    Massa delivers the pain as usual, but I am QUITE surprised of how much of a Michael Bay fan he is. How is this piece of crap any different from the first piece of crap? This is garbage Hollywood money-grabbing shit-flick at its best! And Bay is the king of these sort of shit-flicks. Jesus, 2009 is one of the worst movie years EVER!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Brobots...

    by kgreene

    I have never liked Bay's depiction of black people in his movies so this isn't entirely surprising. Then again, I haven't like Bay's depiction of pretty much anything.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    The voice of reason:

    by The Game Master

    Let me address a few things people seem to get really fucked up: 1) BASED ON A TOY. Yeah, so what? "Raiders of the Lost Ark" was based on cheap, pulp B-movies, and it had a great storyline. Same with "Star Wars". Just because it BEGAN as a toy there's no reason it can't be made into something much more. Shit, the cartoon had a great story and great characters. Bay took 200 million dollars to do a worse job. 2) IT WILL MAKE MONEY. God, let's hope not. Let's hope it LOSES money. And there's a chance it will. Know why? The first film made money because (A) fans were hopeful and went to see it and (B) the general audience was curious because it was a cool concept. Now that both audiences have been thoroughly butt-raped I don't think this (more expensive) sequel will make nearly as much bank. In Hollywood business terms, that equates to losing money. And if THAT happens, Bay's glory days are numbered. 3) BAY SUCKS. Yeah, he does.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I LOVE LICKING OTHER MEN'S TESTICLES!

    by EDGARWRIGHTS_TESTICLESOBSESSION

    I AM INCREDIBLE! YOU ARE ALL POOR! I AM INCREDIBLE! I LOVE THE SMELL AND TASTE OF OTHER MEN'S TESTICLES! THANKS FOR THE BIG TESTICLES MICHAEL BAY! YOU RULE!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    But tell us what you really think ...

    by MorpheusTheSandman

    Already love this review more then the movie, which I will not watch.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    It's already makin' piles in Europe

    by CaseyMcCall

    And will do more in the States. Count on it. You'll never get rid of the Bay-ster.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry

    by BERSERKR

    For one of the first times in my life i am going to be a conceded fuck, i have to say i have INCREDIBLE taste in movies, and i loved the first film quite a bit and i think the second besides its flaws is going to be just fine, these reviewers these days just have to get over themselves and remember what it is to be a kid and have fun, i am by no means condoning stupid movies, but TRUST me i have seen COMPLETE crap and transformers is far from it.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    OneComment

    by Tomarru

    You get robots beating the shyt out of each other, interspaced between extremely long periods of randomly following shia at home, at university, at the A&S museum, in the middle of the desert generally doing nothing or interacting with annoying characters (they are somewhat bearable...only just). Plus the robots you see beating each other up....you generally never know who the hell they are, you get *insert single character from first film* randomly show up to save shia from some random deceptacon/s that have only just randomly appeared in the film, either by coming from space or being disguised as something that you know is a transformer but you dont know what friggin side its on.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Bay's glory days are numbered

    by Series7

    No, not by a long shot.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Bay is a fucking racist.

    by HoboCode

    Every single ONE of his movies has some minstrel act in it. How the fuck does this guy get away with it?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    WHY ARENT PEOPLE COMPLAINING

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • June 23, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    ABOUT MEGATRON AND STARSCREAM

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • June 23, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    THE BAD GUYS, BEING WHITE DUDES

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • June 23, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    AINT THAT UNFAIR AGAINST IMPERIALISTS?

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • June 23, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    How is big robot balls different from big CGI blue penis?

    by HoboCode

    Just wondering.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Oh, one more thing . . .

    by The Game Master

    "Batman" began as a simple, made-for-kids comic book. A "toy", if you will. And yet "The Dark Knight" was a pretty damn sophisticated movie. Translation: There's no reason a toy can't be made into a great science-fiction movie with action AND depth if the director and his team are willing to make the effort and respect their audience. BayCo. does neither. They make no effort and they respect no-one.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by CaseyMcCall

    Should that get rid of the haters, it's time well spent

  • June 23, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    But does Linkin Park

    by Series7

    Cover, The Touch?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    CaseyMcCall

    by Orbots Commander

    Well, lots of bad movies make money: Paul Blart for one, Meet the Fockers for another. And those movies are nearly unwatchable. <p> It's nice when movies make money; it doesn't make them good.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    kgreene

    by fassbinder79

    My thing is I just don't understand why he (or Spielberg for that matter) thought it was necessary to take it that far. Unfortunately my sense is Orci and the other guy who wrote this thing have issues. I say this having seen the new Proposal movie which they produced which features one of the most embarrassing portrayals of a Hispanic person that I have ever seen in my life. I don't think Bay or Spielberg are racists but it is disturbing that they chose to take/allow this depiction to go as far as it did. I mean as if it wasn't enough that they were voiced in a jive dialect they had to go ahead and add insult to injury by giving him a gold tooth and all the anti-reading talk? Outrageous. And I'm a mixed race (black and white) minority who thinks Song Of The South isn't that bad when viewed in the context of the time it was made. But T2 is completely different. So sad and disappointing because I'm one of Bay's biggest defenders when I discuss his films with friends.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay: The modern DW Griffith

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Just placing the old offensive stereotypes on robots. Maybe in pt.3 we'll have a Jolsonbot.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    SHIT RISES TO THE TOP !!!

    by mr dark

    If you need proof of that theory you only need to look at the AICN bannner at the top of this site for Teansformers R.O.T.F

  • June 23, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Michail Bay discovered that EDGARWRIGHT..

    by DrMorbius

    Was ticklish...<P>He gave him a couple of TESTIC(K)LES!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Bay and Griffith: Just the race stuff

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Because obviously that hack Bay hasn't innovated any film techniques, he's just recycled the same crap Tony Scott did slightly better.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    This movie ain't selling out. IN NEW FUCKING YORK

    by whothefuckcares

    it ain't sellin' out. Go to movietickets.com or fandango.com, go to the wednesday june 24th showing for the amc empire 25 at movietickets an the loews lincoln square at fandango, look at the showtimes for wednesday. Only ONE showing at both theaters for tomorrow is sold out, and that's at the empire. Fuck outta here with this "it's sold out" shit. Anyone can sell out a midnight showing. That ain't nothing. This movie is getting worse reviews,by FAR than the first one. I ordered tickets for both theaters, but I downlaoded it and saw it last night. It's draining. It's depressing. I'm going to enw york tomorrow just to cancel my tickets. If I had only known that I would have seen this shit in advance, and hated it, I never would have gone and ordered the tickets in the first place. Now I gotta go all teh way to NY,from philly, just because I ordered them, but unfortunately, not see the movie because that shit is every bit as fuckin' offensive as every review suggest.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay RULES!!!!

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    Has not made a bad film yet! Well, Pearl Harbor is the one exception!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    SO IT'S BASICALLY UNIRONIC BLACKFACE?

    by Giario

    What the fuck were they thinking?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Soundwave to shoot watermelons out of tape

    by Samuel Fulmer

    deck in TF3.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Sounds like TOTAL FUCKING SHIT

    by turketron_2

    I'm going to feel like a huge dick when my friends try to get people together to see this once it's out, and I refuse and look like some kind of antisocial asshole.<p><p><br> Fuck it though... I didn't pay money to see Wolverine (saw the workprint and laughed at my roommate who cursed that piece of shit after going to see it), and hopefully I'm strong enough to resist going to watch it. The worst part would be sitting there while the mouth breathing window lickers lap up the shitty humor...

  • June 23, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Why complain about Megatron and Starscream?

    by D.Vader

    Their relationship was VASTLY improved in this movie and was quite enjoyable to watch.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    You had me at "morphine bender"...

    by StatelyWayneManor

  • June 23, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    You guys will really be yelling come Monday

    by Moviegimp

    From Box Office dot com <br> According to Paramount, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen opened to $20 million from 846 locations in the UK and Japan. <BR> The sequel was #1 in both territories, with the UK’s opening total of $14.1 million from 517 locations outperforming rival comic book sequel Spider-Man 2 by 18%, the original Transformers movie by 71% and coming within 3% of The Dark Knight weekend total. In Japan, the film’s gross of $5.8 million from 329 locations was 64% ahead of The Dark Knight, and only 13% behind Transformers which had the advantage of opening in Summer school holidays. <BR> Might be the dumbest movie ever but it's still going to be the biggest of the year. <BR> What most of us love in great movies is gone or only in small movies no one else sees. You just have to face it and get on with life.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Bay hasn't made a good film yet

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Sorry, The Rock is good for a late era Connery flick, but that's not saying much. The rest of his cannon is subpar. He makes JJ Abrams look like Truffaut.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Berserkr

    by DrMorbius

    What exactly, is a "conceded" fuck?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Devastator's balls...

    by Mr.FTW

    So, does Devastator teabag anyone?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    Very good Point! Metal Balls > Big Blue Dong. At least the Balls were meant to be funny!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Another problem

    by fassbinder79

    If the action isn't there it doesn't matter how much a person wants to defend it. That means its a FAILURE. I love Bad Boys 2. I know its not "coo" to say that but its got the most action set pieces in a movie I've ever seen. And the money spent is on screen. The first Transformers had some problems. And the Jazz character portrayal was terrible. But at least it had the action. My problem is racism without action is garbage. He has to deliver the action at the very least. And it sounds like Mass didn't think he succeeded with that. And all I've been hearing from Bay and his PR people is how much this one is supposed to be so much better action wise than the first one. Well, sounds like he didn't deliver on that so its probably only worth a cheap matinee ticket rather than the 15 bucks for Imax quality gold teeth.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Explanations

    by DocMHumphrey

    The other day I was talking with a friend of mine about "Wolverine" and "Transformers"<br><Br>It boiled down to the following in the conversation:<br><br>Steph: "I don't get why you're so passionate about little changes to the characters or story, the movies were fun and good."<bR><BR> ME: "Well, what if you took a book like Mary Poppins. Made it into a movie where she lives in Guam and is a prostitute. It wouldn't exactly be Mary Poppins, would it?"<br><br>Steph: "I get your point."<br><br>Seriously, look for example a film/book translation like Mary Poppins. The character (like Optimus Prime or Wolverine) is liked by adults and children. Same with the film. It has a great translation from the novels to film, with respect of the source material, and is generally respectful of its audience (adults and children alike).<br><Br>Transformers has a great wealthy history beyond "a kid's toy" that has a ton of tragic elements, logos, pathos, and ethos well longer and more diverse then Shakespeare (for those of you who make the comparison).<br><Br>Just because something is looked at from the outside as "a child's toy" or "if it deals with a robot/scifi/outside of the box" doesn't mean it has to be mindless.<bR><br>Afterall, "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings" were released as children's books. "Batman" was a comic book, a campy tv show, a cartoon, children's toys, etc...so why can't "Transformers" be more than a commercial and a toy?<br><br>There is a history there, that has been establish. Why change it so drastically?<br><Br> Even my mother knew who Optimus Prime was before the first film came out. The Transformers have a basic and known story line and characterization.<br><br>The problem is, is that everyone wants to see the robots...that's the draw...but the robots are not properly represented.<bR><Br>Plus, did anyone learn from the catastrophy that was Jar Jar Binks? Now it's multiplied by two, make them ghetto (because aparently the "My Bad" generation of thuggery needs more representation in the media) because the ghetto crowd is what they're aiming for, and worst of all: Give them a sweet voice actor, Tom "SpongeBob Squarepants" Kenny.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Confessions of a 40 year-old movie geek

    by Beezbo

    Like many of you, I'm the first guy to line up for the big movies - sometimes I even blow off work to see the ones I'm really excited about. But when I came out of "Transformers" a couple of Summers ago, I finally said, "I really am too old for this shit." A bad concept, executed poorly, that insults my intelligence at every level. If anything, I can thank "Transformers" for making me at least somewhat discerning! I will see none of the sequels.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    yup.

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 23, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79....

    by kgreene

    Well, a lot of times I question just how much screenwriters bring to the table in movies like this. You'll often hear people say "Oh, that wasn't in the original script" and things like that. I realize that this is all CGI and that a lot of people have to know that these characters will look and sound this way but I won't be so quick to blame Orci and Kurtzman. Bay doesn't get a pass though. I am not one to jump up and down and scream that something is racist but this damn sure sounds unfortunate.I think it's the not reading thing that totally pushes it out of bounds for me. I can let a lot slide but this has a lot going against it.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Zardozap2005

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "2001 is overrated" <p> FAIL

  • June 23, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Kurtzman and Orci strike again

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The artists behind Xena Warrior Princess, The Legend of Zorro, Mission Impossible III, The Island, Transformers and Star Trek return to wow us with their plotting and wordplay.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    2 months on...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    can anyone remember one line of dialogue from Star Trek?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    For being an action director

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Bay loves to cram in a huge amount of unfunny comedy scenes in his action movies. The first Transformers might as well been called American Pie:Robot Camp.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    kgreene

    by fassbinder79

    Agreed.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    It isn't Shakespeare!!!

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Of course not, it's more like a subpar episode of Sanford and Son.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I'm not worried at all...

    by ShogunMaster

    We still have GI Joe coming to make this summer RULE!! [/sarcasm]

  • June 23, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Who the fuck cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    nobody

  • June 23, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I saw it last night and have to agree

    by IndyCollector

    There are way too many pointless characters. Shia's mom is given more to do and she's VERY annoying. The attempts at humor are just LAME. Michael Bay is not a comedy director so why try?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    This summer has blown hard.

    by HoboCode

    This sumemr needs a Dark knight or a sleeper hit like The Matrix to save it. What else is on the horizon? Jack shit except for GI JOE and Bruno which will be two of the biggest flops in history. Public Enemies and Inglorious Basterds will be too "talky" for the mouthbreathers.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I never thought Jar Jar Binks was bad

    by D.Vader

    He didn't talk like anyone I knew.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Avatar

    by kwisatzhaderach

    will own all. Jay Jay, Bayhem, Bratner, McShit and Wiseass will all be out of work come January 2010. These guys hire hacks to write drivel then shoot it like an MTV promo as quickly as possible and shit the results al over our screens. <p> Jim Cameron takes years writing and preparing his own projects, refusing to give an inch until his vision is 100% on screen. Can you see Cameron hiring a acouple of hacks like K&O? No. Not in a million years.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    The Hurt Locker

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Saw this last week, incredible. Real action filmmaking. I'm hoping for a miracle and that people actually turn up to see this at theaters.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Bay's Career Ain't Over Though...

    by fassbinder79

    That's just silly talk. And I'll still see the film. The question mark for me is whether I'll pay money for a matinee ticket (AMC before noon) or I'll rent it from netflix.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    "too many pointless characters"

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Looks like producer Spielberg might've had a hand in this. That was my biggest grip with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Testicles on Transformers

    by DocMHumphrey

    Second, to make a comparison between Dr. Manhattan and testicles on Transformers is irrelevant.<br><Br>The point of Dr. Manhattan making you "uncomfortable" for seeing a penis on paper or on a movie screen is the point. He represented everything that man-kind is lacking. In biblical reference, man didn't have shame before defying God. He was naked before that. Manhattan didn't give a shit...it wasn't even on his radar. It was testament to his character on another level. Being naked in a way defined the character and his differences to humanity.<bR><BR>Balls on a Transformer is just juvenile and a cheap joke. This is a long stretch to "humanize" the robots, so that what, more gangstas can assoicate with them? Plus, why would any of them need "genitalia" to "reproduce" when the blown out of continutity "All-Spark" does the job for them?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    kwis

    by DrMorbius

    2001 overrated.<P>2 months on can anyone remember....Star Trek?<P>Are YOU serious?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by fassbinder79

    That's the flick I'm dying to see! Thanks for the reminder about that one. Bigelow definitely has talent. Loved Near Dark and Strange Days.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    The Phantom Menace

    by kwisatzhaderach

    would be about 4000% better if around 15 minutes was cut and Jar Jar was redubbed with a cool alien accent like Nien Nunb's and then subtitled in English. Come on George, do the right thing!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by BERSERKR

    Here are a list of some of my favorite movies, recent or otherwise Old boy, let the right one in, No country for old men, Seven Samurai, The Seventh seal, Aguire, Lone wolf and cub series, Lord of the Rings, Dead man, The Third man, Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring, Both Kill Bills, The Good, The Bad and the Wierd, the list goes on... i'd say that's pretty good taste,

  • June 23, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Fuck yeah. The Hurt Locker!

    by HoboCode

    i'm seeign that instead this weekend. Fuck Bayformers Tizzle.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer....

    by kgreene

    Yeah, I don't know why Bay thinks he's so Goddamned funny. You could've shaved at least 40 minutes of corny ass bullshit out of the first movie. Fuckin' eliminate Turturro completely. I've always said that you could take RoboCop II, shave that down and make an excellent 45 minute film out of it. Transformers? An hour. This one sounds like maybe 20 minutes...

  • June 23, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Tomarru

    by OneComment

    Like I stated... the first one wasn't the greatest action movie I've ever seen. And I was a little disappointed the story wasn't told better, but I enjoyed it because it was "Transformers" on the big screen beating the hell out of one another. Was I disappointed in the long drawn out scenes with insignificant human actors? Yes. But I did think Shia was pretty good in his role. I can deal with him and even the other ridiculous characters if that is what I have to sit through to see 15-20 mins of "Robots in Disguise" beating the shyt out of each other in a movie! Maybe I'm easy to please, but I don't care. I enjoyed the first one and hopefully I'll enjoy this one too. I'll let you know come Monday. P.S. I really wish they would of kept Starscream's voice from the cartoon. Now that would of been awesome.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's the most serious film she's done. Very impressive. The audience I saw it with didn't move for two hours and burst into applause when the credits came on. You're in for a treat.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    You know what *was* funny in the movie though...

    by D.Vader

    That fratboy joke.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Tell all your friends to go too! This movie deserves to make money!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Oh and the Soundwave's voice isn't modified

    by IndyCollector

    It's Frank Welker doing that deep, evil voice he's done in other things (like in Golden Child) but it doesn't have that electronic sound to it.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah but Berserkr, no one will take you seriously...

    by D.Vader

    When you make such an all-encompassing and divisive statement like "I have INCREDIBLE taste!". No one buys that around here.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Transformers III: Nuts Over You!

    by kgreene

  • June 23, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Its the Dr.Claw voice

    by D.Vader

    But yeah, without the electronic mod.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I'll wait for a DVD-Screener to hit the net on this one...

    by Kenshiro_187

    Also, Kurtzman & Orci are the biggest dickhead writers and are comparable with the dipshits who made that Meet The Spartans trash.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I didn't say 2001 was overrated, another poster did. I think it's one of the 5 best films ever made.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Isn't there a director's cut of Armageddon?

    by Spandau Belly

    Seriously, I heard the Criterion release was a director's cut that pushed the movie past the 4 hour mark and that the audio commentary is an unleashed ego more destructive and massive than any Decepticon.<br><br>I agree with Massa that Bay is one of the most influential directors of our time. That makes me sad. But I actually prefer any of his immitators because at least guys like Tony Scott know how to keep this popcorn fluff short and sweet. Bay seems to think he's making a David Lean movie or something.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Soundwave's voice. It's done WRONG!

    by baaba_pappa

    Yep, they got the same guy to do Soundwaves voice as on the cartoon, in the same way and Bay and company didn't treat the voice so he sound EXACTLY like The Claw from Inspector gadget. Also soundwave's face is weird. Why do they all need monster faces to be decepticons if it's a civil war? They are the same race, right? Jetfire is like a Pirates of the carribean style character. For such and old robot his vehicle mode is pretty modern. The twins are dumb, but they have a couple of good one liners and can actually fight a little bit. Still, they shouldn't have been the main transformer prescence in the movie. I mean that's just unspeakably fucking stupid. Stick them on the poster with their stupid faces. Too much stupid comedy with shea's mother, but his dad is good and add a little drama later on at least. Optimus is tough this time. Very tough. Remember the first when he said 'forgive me brother, I had no choice' after being beaten up and saved by the beef? Well he's not taking shit this time. Devastator turns up with little fanfare, and just looks junky with huge gonads. A dissapointment for sure. Tutoro is much better this time round, a much more fun character to watch. The multinational transformer/human task force NEST is a great idea (that I hoped they would do after the original), but aren't around much. I'd have much prefered a film about NEST, than the dumb comedy. Don't get the point of Shia's tutor. It's just shoehorning in another comedic character. This movie has more side kids and comic relief than straight characters. Zoom out a little, and STOP THE FUCKING-SHAKEY CAM!!!! Not just Bay, everyone, shakey-cam is the worst modern cinema trend around. Just fucking terrible. You can sort of make some stuff out, but I want to see everything. Basically I had a good time, but it could have been a much better film, and thats a big shame. Oh, and no character, especially Ironhide, should say 'punk ass decepticon' I cringed at that.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Kwis

    by DrMorbius

    Sorry, my bad. All is forgiven?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:48 p.m. CST

    DocMHumphrey

    by fassbinder79

    Hilarious post. But I think that its entirely possible (dare I say it) that they made a calculated choice with the new Jar Jar type characters to play on the animosity that many in rural America feel now having our first black President. I mean lets be real...Is it a coincidence that that new Roland Emerich film has Danny Glover as the Black President on the eve of the END OF THE WORLD? Some subliminal messages coming out of Hollywood right now that don't feel right. But then again it could simply be old fashioned juvenile racism. Or they meant no harm at all and there simply have a bad sense of humor. I'll tell you one thing. I can laugh at racist jokes with the best of them. Smoochy for example has some of the funniest lines I've ever heard in my life. And they don't bother me. Why? Because Robin Williams is fucking hilarious in that film. Sounds like Bay's brand of humor doesn't work.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    This actually sounds funny.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Of course, I don't give a damn about Transformers, I've never seen the cartoons / games / toys / whatever the hell they first were, but I assume they were some form of a goofy promotional campaign from the 70s - so it's probably very good that it's being spoofed rather than taken into the moronic and pathetic "grim and gritty" direction that Batman VI began.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    DrMorbius

    by kwisatzhaderach

    No worries!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by BERSERKR

    That's why i said for the first time in my life i would be a conceded fuck, i actually admitted it:P

  • June 23, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    And Shia's roommate has to be THE most pointless character

    by IndyCollector

    in the history of film. Not to mention very annoying. The only reason he's there is to freak out at everything.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by fassbinder79

    Spielberg was the CORE reason Indy 4 was terrible. I know people love hating on Lucas but War Of The Worlds was awful too and had similar problems. Spielberg hasn't been good for a long time. And I don't want to hear any responses from people telling me Munich was tight because lets not forget the wet slow mo shot of Eric Bana during love making. Not good.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Spoofed

    by Samuel Fulmer

    please don't give Bay that much credit.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Kathryn Bigelow = movie gold

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I can watch STRANGE DAYS or POINT BREAK any day.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Is is true that Bernie Mac died

    by Darth Busey

    just so he wasn't contractually obligated to appear in this film?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I totally agree. At the end of the day KOTCS was a Steven Spielberg film. People who want to blame Lucas for everything (which one thing we know you can blame him for is the alien concept), but then they forget Spielberg has been bringing lame stuff to his films since Always. I don't think George Lucas can be blamed for The Lost World!

  • June 23, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Bernie Mac died of shame

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Jon Voight has no shame, hence he lives.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Not as good as "Ghosts of Girlfriends Past?"

    by Rhinosaur

    Right, Mass?

  • June 23, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    200 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS SHIT?

    by Giario

    Wow. That's appalling really. Hollywood at its worst and most embarrassing. This is definitely one of the most disgusting displays of excess in Hollywood's history. Bay's obviously completely fucking clueless but Spielberg should know better. Fucking shameful. If I were involved with this film in any capacity I would be too ashamed to admit it. Dreadful. I love movies but this kind of shit leaves a bad taste in my mouth. In this day and age movies really are such a luxury and then something like this comes along and just completely takes the piss with unchecked ego and grotesque excess and just makes the whole industry look fucking shameless. I genuinely feel that, in every possible way, this film humiliates the artform of film-making. We're witnessing a low-point right now.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Devastator's balls

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    http://i42.tinypic.com/33vgdo1.jpg

  • June 23, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    they could always fix soundwaves voice for the dvd

    by baaba_pappa

    thatd be a step in the right direction

  • June 23, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Those complaining about the "big blue dong"

    by skimn

    in Watchmen, do so because they found they couldn't take their eyes off it. They became obsessed with it, and therefore made them question their manhood. And that ascared them..

  • June 23, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79....

    by kgreene

    I just think that 2012 is just trying to ride the coattails of an actual black president in office. I don't think it's racial, per se. Yeah, nevermind that every cinematic black president is around when it's the end of the world... lol... At least President Tiny Lister in The Fifth Element (the strangest casting of all time) didn't see the earth get blown up...

  • June 23, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    2001 is overrated

    by Samuel Fulmer

    In comparison to Paths of Glory. That's it.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    President Morgan Freeman

    by Samuel Fulmer

    See Deep Impact.

  • June 23, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    And I've said it before..

    by skimn

    Just because a movie is made and marketed toward 14-year-old boys, it doesn't have to look like it was written by 14-year-old boys.

  • June 23, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    There is absolutely...

    by LastDragon

    ...nothing, and I mean nothing, redeemable about this film. This piece of excrement is so terrible it can't even be lumped into the 'but it was a fun popcorn summer movie'. I guarantee that the vast majority of you will be completely disappointed by this, and you can't say that about many movies.

  • June 23, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    OneComment

    by Tomarru

    I loved the first movie aswell, imported it from the states on HD-DVD as soon as it was available, its a great action movie that does exactly what it says on the tin. TF2 is "enjoyable" enough, i still got something out of it, but theres just so much wrong with it that you just cant forgive. The likes of RC, which i was dying to see is seen standing a couple of times, but mostly as a random blur, the only time you have time to digest what she looks like is a 2 second clip where she delivers her single line. Thats the kind of waste thats going on here, they design and cast a character that is completely throwaway. Starscream and Megatron are treated better than last time and they get more screentime than optimus. I did laugh, as did a lot of people in the theatre at a lot of the "jokes" but a lot of them fell flat, the twins were painful at times and bearable at other times. Theres just far better stories could have been told without sacrificing the action, build some characters, make the enemy and goal seem worthwhile, it was all a bit empty, exactly like terminator but at least it didnt take a dump over anything i hold dear moviewise.

  • June 23, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by fassbinder79

    Here, here on Bigelow. Days is great and Break has some great heist sequences.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Forgot about Deep Impact

    by fassbinder79

    Those were the Haysbert days.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    50 ft robots beating the shit out of each other??

    by Six Demon Bag

    this was supposed to be cool? it came off more hollow and vapid than "cool". i cared more about a CLOUD in the short PARTLY CLOUDY than anything in transformers, and probably transformers 2...cant wait.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Mike Bay is proving something

    by andrew coleman

    I think he hates people in general. I bet he sits around and goes "people are fucking stupid, especially the black one's. But watch I'll make horrible racist movies and they will make bank. Just watch!" He made these movies to make a point about the US. Michael Bay is a hero. These movies are trying to prove how stupid movie goers really are and how they will watch and eat up anything. I applaud his efforts especially as he watches the weekend BO of 186 million and he will be laughing and then screaming "Those idiots! You are all my slaves now MWAH HA HA HA HA!!!" We must all bow down to Bay because he has proven that we all are indeed morons.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see the trainwrek that will be G.I. Joe at this point

    by CHUDfucker

    than get fucked again by T:ROTF... just put out KICK-ASS already so the summer can be saved by at least ONE great movie@!#@!$#@

  • June 23, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    What Bay does not get

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Give the robots character. Toy Story is about "toys" but Buzz and Woody are characters. Just because they're giant robots doesn't mean they have to be nothing more than CGI props.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    And those not offended by blue dong...

    by HoboCode

    are used to having dong in their face.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Jetfire is a more modern plane babba pappa bc...

    by D.Vader

    He had been here for hundreds of years blending in. He was probably a train back in the 1800s.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Sorry I forgot our greatest President

    by Samuel Fulmer

    David Palmer. RIP.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Berserkr

    by D.Vader

    Touche =).

  • June 23, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    whats the point of getting Frank Welker??

    by Six Demon Bag

    if you're not gonna use the correct voice...

  • June 23, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Fassbinder

    by D.Vader

    So, the makers of Deep Impact knew one day that a black man would be President too?

  • June 23, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    thanks BAY for making me lie to my son!

    by Six Demon Bag

    i WAS gonna take him this weekend, but i think that coinstitues as child abuse.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Sounds Retarded

    by Autodidact

    I'll be there tomorrow at noon.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST

    "Car Car Binks"... lol...

    by kgreene

    That's pretty good. Subtitles_Off. You will be suitably ripped off now.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    ThePilgrim

    by pdennett316

    Whiggers have been around for a decade, is that any reason to put them front and centre of a movie like this? <p> When the bots from the first get such little screen time to facilitate a shitty joke, is that not a huge problem?? <p> I enjoyed the first for what it was, but this is sounding worse and worse with every review. I just re-watched Predator, an olde- time popcorn movie, and at no time did I feel insulted for having watched it. Seven or eight different characters all established with minimal dialogue, characters you actually gave a shit about, great action that was visible for more than a second, and decent acting. Even Arnie managed a couple of different emotions. TF2 costs god-knows how many times the budget of Predator yet is a far less effective film. Why can't scripts be that effective now? Why must they be bloated yet anorexic at the same time - lots of stuff there, but zero that means a shit? <p> Fuck this film.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Everything is racist...

    by Dhaemon

    Unless everyone speaks like a Anglo Americian! <br>

  • June 23, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Racism...

    by BizarroJerry

    Re: the first movie, I still don't understand how 1) they had a black character introduce his mother as his "Mammy", and 2) how Bernie Mac agreed to even say that line. I mean, I watched a 35 year old Archie Bunker episode and he upset someone by saying "Mammy"!

  • June 23, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    I bet Predator 2 is a more effective film

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Than Transformer Pt.Deux.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by BERSERKR

    Proper spelling is not a sign of intelligence or lack thereof.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    So basically it's a big-budget 'Glitter'

    by kafka07

    what the fuck, I almost had a siezure reading that review. I figured this movie would be stupid, but man!

  • June 23, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Dhaemon

    by fassbinder79

    Its not about that. Its the gold teeth and the "we don't read"

  • June 23, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Saw this last night...Wow, what a pile.

    by Satyrgreen

    I agree with Massaworm 100% I'm not a bay fan but I did like the the first Transformer alot. Everything he said in his review is spot on. I'll add though that as I was watching the film I found myself far more offended then maybe he did. Does Bay think that we are all sex crazed junior high minded total fuckwits that would get a kick out of turnning the next Transformers into a fucking embarassingly bad series of cock and fart jokes. was I watching Transformers or a Wayens brothers movie? Totally let down by the film.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    My name is Robot Dick!

    by natecore

  • June 23, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Prediction:Bay to remake Song of the South!!

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Zip a dee do da

  • June 23, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by BERSERKR

    Believe what you wish, i am definitely not what you would call a true nerd, but i am definitely far from stupid.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    SO, WATER IS STILL WET?

    by uberman

    And Bay still sucks as bad as Bay.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    I will go insane

    by kafka07

    and lose all faith in humanity if this movie actually makes bank. This movie needs to fail, for all of our sakes!

  • June 23, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    NONE OF THE TRANSFORMERS CAN READ...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    the symbols in the film. They're written in the language of the Primes, a FORGOTTEN LANGUAGE. It's stated in the film. If you think Mudflap and Skids are meant to be "black," it says more about you than it says about Bay.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Bigelow

    by skimn

    Lets not forget Near Dark. All the True Bloods and Twilights owe a tip of the hat to that classic.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Since FLAMES ON OPTIMUS didn't piss ENOUGH fans off..

    by Clavius

    ...Bay had to put BALLS ON DEVASTATOR!?!<br> <br> I sure as hell aint gonna shell out any of my money to take a bite out of this shitburger.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    TITS ON ARCEE

    by Clavius

    might as well huh?

  • June 23, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Flames on Bay's closet doors

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • June 23, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Ouch.

    by wonderboy2402

    That was a hell of a scalding review.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Yes, cause balls on Devastator completely ruins the film

    by D.Vader

    Pssh.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    RE: And Shia's roommate has to be THE most pointless character b

    by Moviegimp

    You obviously haven't been paying attention to the viral site. That is where Leo comes from the real effing deal dot com. He is supposed to be annoying a freak out about everything because he is supposed to believe all this is real. It's actually a pretty funny site with some good real world robot linked stories. Besides the Transformers tie in stuff.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Borg9

    by skimn

    Reread Massa's review, "They speak in clichéd urban slang, tossing around phrases like “I’m gonna pop a cap in your ass” while fist bumping and mumbling unintelligently in a voice that sounds like a bad Chappelle Show sketch. Then you get a close up. And they each have bug eyes and a gold tooth." No, I'm sure Bay meant any resemblence to urban blacks to be coincidental.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    This is what you get, people.

    by ColonelFatheart

    This is what happens when you shell out $10 to see shit like Transformers. This is what happens when you embolden mongoloid hacks like Michael Bay. You get what you deserve.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Bay Vs. Himself

    by MattHooper

    I don't think Bay himself understands that while he's a great director-for-hire -- he's simply not a very good filmmaker. The more creative input he has, the more ... "bad" the movie gets. But like I said, as a director working for others, he's rather good.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Glad to say that I will never see it

    by MontyPigeon

    Throw away your money folks! Help Mikey make his next piece of crap.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    That reads like...

    by zb.brox

    ...exactly what I would've said about the first one.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Don't be a dipshit apologist ErnestBorgNine

    by Massawyrm 1

    The Joe Pesci Transformer tells us what you just did. But not until AFTER the illiterate space clowns tells us 'Yeah, uh, we're not what you'd call read-uhs." That line is delivered with a close up of the face showing off the gold tooth. Explain that one away.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for Vern

    by ballyhoo

    I seriously hope Vern reviews this, since he was the only one who was spot on with T1.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    BizarroJerry - BizarroJerry

    by Boborci

    "I still don't understand how 1) they had a black character introduce his mother as his "Mammy", and 2) how Bernie Mac agreed to even say that line. I mean, I watched a 35 year old Archie Bunker episode and he upset someone by saying "Mammy"!<p> He actually improvised that line.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    There's always been rumors about Bay's sexual preference

    by skimn

    But a recent print ad for M & M's spells it out. Revealed as his "inner M&M", Bay's M & M figure is colored....purple. 'Nuff said.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Amos and Andy reboot

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Directed by Michael Bay.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    THE GEORGE W. BUSH OF MOVIE FRANCHISES

    by Giario

    That sums it up pretty well I think.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    GI JOE or TF2?

    by Clavius

    Which will reign as the biggest shitfest of the summer?

  • June 23, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Two great Hasbro toy properties fucked by bad movies.

    by Clavius

    I sure hope no one decides to make one about STAR WARS. Imagine how bad THAT would suck!

  • June 23, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I wonder if this is better than Transmorphers: Fall of Man

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    From Asylum Films!

  • June 23, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON ANAKIN

    by Clavius

    I'm sure that's what we would get in a STAR WARS movie adaptation. No doubt about it.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    am I the only one who gets headaches from bay movies?

    by ironic_name

    I'm not the only one, right?

  • June 23, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON ANAKIN-Actually we did

    by Samuel Fulmer

    In the finale of Revenge of the Sith when he was on fire.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    It's not a waste...

    by jimmy_009

    ...at least not in a financial sense. They will make back every dollar spent on it and then some. The trouble with people thinking this might be good is that they are forgetting NOTHING about Transformers the property is actually good, worthwhile, or intelligent. The whole concept is fucking stupid. Who cares if robots fight each other?

  • June 23, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    So can we all agree...

    by the_octagon

    that "Devastator Balls" is this year's "Nuke the Fridge"?

  • June 23, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The Hurt Locker Fu%&ing owns TF2

    by knowledge1027

  • June 23, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    GI JOE vs TF2

    by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS

    Whichever wins. We all lose.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Ha Ha Ha

    by subfreq

    "But now we’ve seen that. We’ve watched fifty foot robots beating the shit out of one another and now we’re ready for what’s next" So true. I wanted Optimus to write that killer song that would unite the world in peace and serenade the Decepticons into an age of togetherness. They could have all formed a band. The Bandicons. It's where they should have taken this. All I wanted from Transformers two was more 50 foot robots, more kicking the shot out of each other and more Megan Fox. It's true Bay over did it but the idea that this needed to become something else is wrong.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry, the gold tooth takes it too fucking far.

    by HoboCode

    Urban slang? Whatever. I was down with it in the first movie with Jazz. He learned to speak English watching Earth media. I can buy that. I really can. but a GOLD FUCKING TOOTH while relishing in ignorance? FUCK THAT! That is offensive people.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    You just have to google transformers and racist

    by mitortilla

    and its not just us who've noticed it.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    ColonelFatheart, you went and saw it too.

    by ironic_name

  • June 23, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Mass...

    by Orbots Commander

    I'm not sure what you know about this, but is Spielberg REALLY set on screening this for the Obamas??? What is the studio thinking here?

  • June 23, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    If Terminator: Salvation can get a sequel . . .

    by Royston Lodge

    . . . you just know that Transformers: Return of the Garbage will be slipping some rohypnol to your eyeballs in a couple of years.

  • June 23, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST

    People who justify this shit should be used as fertilizer

    by IndustryKiller!

    I mean seriously what threshold of fucking horrible has to be breached before people actually start liking good genre films again?

  • June 23, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    Why is a Gold Tooth Offensive?

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    People are so touchy these days!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay is the worst big-budget director in Hollywood...

    by Pdorwick

    ...surely we can agree on something so self evident.<br><br>...and the first Transformers movie was utter garbage. Come on...

  • June 23, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    So, only black people have fake gold teeth, Massa?

    by ErnestBorgNine

    And only black people can't read? Like I said, if you watch these two characters and immediately think "BLACK PEOPLE!" then you've got the problem. I think you're full of shit. My criticism of the film comes from too much bullshit with the parents and the military, but every time there's a giant fucking robot on the screen, it's magic. You sound like some kind of crotchety old man when you write that you couldn't tell what was going on. And again, if all you're thinking about after the film is imagined offenses and balls instead of robot fighting action, then that says a lot about you. I'm surprised you're not fixated on Turturro's man-thong, too.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    White guys can't have gold teeth?

    by WickedJester

    Harry in Home Alone did didn't he? And that's Joe Pesci(-tron).<br><br>For all you know they could be based on Paul Wall.<br><br>Seriously though, if you don't want people stereotyping your race then STOP HAVING EVERY 'CURRENT' BLACK MALE SHOW HIS 'GRILL' ON CD COVERS, MAGAZINES, VIDEO SHOOTS, PROMO POSTERS, MYSPACE ADS, MIXTAPES, HORRIBLY MADE STV DVD MOVIE COVERS AND WHATEVER ELSE THEY SLAP THEIR NAME ON!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    In August, HASBRO files for bankruptcy

    by Six Demon Bag

    serves them right

  • June 23, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Touche' Ernest -- beat me by about 50 seconds.

    by WickedJester

  • June 23, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBre ak

    by HoboCode

    Well they are ROBOTS for one thing. They shouldn't even have teeth let alone one gold one. But if you think that's not a negative black stereotype you need to get real.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    massa

    by Six Demon Bag

    the name of the robot is jopecion???

  • June 23, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    ErnestBorgNine

    by Samuel Fulmer

    What would you think if you saw a someone in black face and starting sputing ebonics? Would you think he was just a white guy who fell face first into some chocolate frosting and talking?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Saw it Friday, couldn't agree more

    by Chopper3

    total waste of time and money - it actually gave me a headache. Oh and don't get me onto the (lack of) logic in the film, it's farcical.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Never made it through the first one, and I own the BluRay

    by WickedJester

    Wow, pretty cgi robots... then I lost interest about 1 and half hours into the 2 hour plus robo-orgy.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    And the "Joe Pesci" Decepticon...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    when it started talking, the first thing that popped into my mind wasn't "Italian stereotype," it was "hey, is that Steve Buscemi?" It's neither actor, but there's that whole perspective thing, fucking with you.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    When Bay has robots chomping on chicken

    by Samuel Fulmer

    and watermelons in TF3, remember he's not being racist, you're being racist for making any sort of connection.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I too like a lot of Bay's shit movies, but....

    by Rob0729

    I was never much of a Transformer fan to begin with so I am not surprised that this one was worse. All you have to look at is the Bad Boy movies to see that Bay likes to take the worst parts of the first movie and magnify them in the sequel. <br><br> The Bay movies I like most typically have good to great actors who realize they are in a movie devoid of any plot or soul and play it for fun. That is why I like the Rock so much. Sean Connery, Ed Harris, and David Morse rise above the material and Nicholas Cage decides to go over the top, but not too over the top like he can do like in movies like Con Air or Snake Eyes. I like the first Bad Boys more because of the chemistry between Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, and Tea Leoni more than the inane action. I even enjoyed Armageddon (yes, I am the one) because of Bruce Willis, Will Patton, Steve Buschemi, Billy Bob Thornton, etc. all knew they were in a crap movie and basically seemed to just have fun with their roles and their paper thin characters. Bay needs actors who can carry his crap movies and Transformers doesn't have that.<br><br> I still don't get the appeal of Shia LeBeuf. I am guessing if Speilberg didn't love the guy so much, he would be still doing crappy movies like Constantine. Megan Fox is as much eye candy as the Transformers themselves, maybe more so. I don't know if she can really act (I am guessing she can't) since all Bay asked her to do is look hot in the first movie. John Turturro is one of the more disapointing actors in recent years. He started with a very promising career when he worked with Spike Lee and the Coen Brothers, but seems to have become a characture of himself ever since associating with Adam Sandler. Josh Duhamel barely registered as a character in the first movie. Jon Voigt has also become a characture.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by WickedJester

    You're really going to compare BLACK FACE to GOLD TEETH!? <br><br>Don't you have an Al Sharpton rally to attend?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Ironic_Name

    by ColonelFatheart

    I didn't, actually. Saw the first one on HBO. But I did shell out money to see Pearl Harbor, and boy did I regret that.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    ErnestBorgnine is like a monkey fucking a football

    by IndustryKiller!

    Watching him scramble to come up with ridiculous reasons why an obvious racial stereotype isn't exactly what it is is sad and funny. Just ban this fuck and put him out of his misery like a lame horse.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    You're automatic assocation

    by WickedJester

    Means you're the one stereotyping... think about it.<br><br>Gold teeth?<br><Br>Urban slang?<br><br>Can't read?<br><br>MUST BE A BLACK A GUY THEN!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    'WISE' Speak? MUST BE AN ITALIAN MOBSTER!

    by WickedJester

    Did you guys all get to this point with your JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS mat?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    So.... you sorta liked the movie???

    by Darth Valinorean

  • June 23, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Way to not take on the question! Maybe I should ask if you're going to attend a Klan rally.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    So... you might see it again?

    by Darth Valinorean

  • June 23, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I'm Irish and I'm offended!

    by ErnestBorgNine

    Jetfire is an Irish stereotype! Not all old Irish men are cranky and walk with a shileighly, you know!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Tomarru

    by OneComment

    Fair enough. I'll post my thoughts Monday here.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    subfreq

    by OneComment

    Agree 100 percent.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I don't doubt a word of this review but

    by Arteska

    the amount of things people projected on to the Jar Jar character (and still do even 10 years on) is preposterous.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Yes, IndustryKiller, ban me because I disagree...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    wow.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    I can't wait...

    by OBSD

    for the Rifftrax guys to tear this movie a new one. The only reason it should exist is to have the MST3K guys make fun of it. Other than that, like the first one, it's a retard test. If you think this movie is any good at all: you=retard. Get on the short bus and go run in the special olympics, you retard.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    bay did it on purpose

    by TheExterminator

  • June 23, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    WickedJester + ErnestBorgNine = Bay's fluffers

    by TheJokesOnUs

    What, did you two fucking write this piece of shit or something? It's fucking retarded, why are you defending this garbage?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I guess it shows what a dud this film is

    by Samuel Fulmer

    If the most interesting topic that comes from it is how racially insensitive it is.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Duuude, C'Mon.

    by mitortilla

    I noticed since the first movie I tell ya' All that talk with the latino soldier that starts talking in spanish. ENGLISH! ENGLISH! Bay is a total Republicon.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Bernie Mac

    by mitortilla

    Welcome to Bolivia Autos, like the country but without the Runs. The Bernie Mac character cheap, sleazy. The other fat hacker guy with his momma and his fat cousin. The movies are full of negative stereotypes, not just the robots.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Yeah I never thought Italian Transformer

    by D.Vader

    I dunno where the hell that came from.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Great dialogue !

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Don't you go all Ricky Riccardo on me MAAAANNNN!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by WickedJester

    Just gave you a bunch. They're are a ton of idiotic WHITE rappers that fit that 'stereotype' too.<br><br>Should I be offended because everyone assumes a robot talking 'wise' speak is Italian?<br><br>No, because I don't walk around with my panties in a bunch like 80% of the world.<br><br>And yea, me saying that it's their own fault for being stereotyped that way is the number one on the klan kommandment.<br><br>Saying an illiterate with gold teeth, blood shot eyes and the insistence on talking like a street thug is automically black sounds a little more rascist to me.<br><br>But what do I know...

  • June 23, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    RE: THE STEP N FETCHIT BOTS

    by turketron_2

    If they wanted to have a couple of caricature/stereotype robots, I can think of some shit that would have probably made me laugh: A couple of fratboy/meathead robots that speak in "bro-ism's". "Cool story bro, but reading's for sissies. Totally broheim, we don't go for that. You know what would be so cash, brosepholis? What brosephis? If we like, banged this guy's girlfriend on the hood of his yellow camero. Brotacular."

  • June 23, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    We deserve shitty movies and franchises...

    by TheJokesOnUs

    Look at these comments: "It'll suck, but I'll still see it" "It'll be good for the robot carnage", or "I'm going to see it just to see how bad it is". News flash: Hollywood does not know nor does not care whether you see a movie ironically or for fifteen minutes of special effects and nothing else. It just wants your money. By giving them your money, you silently give consent to make more and crappier movies. You all are supposed to be the smarter filmgoers. Raise your standards. These movies have the same quality as the "____ Movie" franchises, except at least with those movies they couldn't feed a third-world nation for a decade with the budget.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    hell, they could have been the brobots!

    by turketron_2

  • June 23, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    TheJokesOnUs

    by WickedJester

    I'm not defending Bay at all. I won't be seeing this movie, probably at all.<br><br>Just hate how everyone is so quick to throw the race card at everything.<br><br>Can't the movie suck on it's own merits, not because it may or may not be Klan Propaganda?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    What's worse

    by Arteska

    Flames on Optimus or balls on Devastator? Can we get an official ruling?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    They need a beat up pick up truck that transforms into a sombrer

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Yes they're supposed to be black robots-

    by TheJokesOnUs

    if there was a beat-up pickup with a solid steel hayseed coming out of his mouth and spitting out gasoline chaw, you wouldn't say "How do I know that's a southern stereotype? How do I know he's not from New York?" Don't be a dick. Bay is a huge idiot, of course he's going to put hugely idiotic things in his movies.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    turketron_2

    by mitortilla

    can't it be both?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I want a Kung Fu-bot

    by D.Vader

  • June 23, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    "ton of white rappers"

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Huh??????

  • June 23, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by TheJokesOnUs

    No one is saying this movie sucks because of the stereotypes, they're saying the stereotypes are but one ingredient in the giant souffle of suck. Just out of curiosity, who did you vote for in '08? Be completely honest.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    I guess there weren't enough D&D references...

    by JackLucas

    for Massadouche to worship at its feet. And to think that I repected this jackass' reviews once. It's called TRANSFORMERS! What in the fuck is so hard for all of the haters to get through their heads about that? Have any of you who hate on these flicks even once watched a few episodes of the old cartoons? So many of you act like these flicks are supposed to be oscar contenders or drama fueled films with a few actions set pieces. They are MOVIES BASED ON A CARTOON PROPERTY THAT WERE CONCEIVED IN THE FIRST PLACE TO SELL FUCKING TOYS!!! If you can't have fun with these kinds of movies, perhaps you shouldn't be reviewing them. You loved the first one... uh huh. Now you seem surprised at more of the same. What a fucking douche. Go back to your lame ass no-one-fucking-cares tabletop gaming and leave the real fun to the rest of us. Please. Thank you.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    No surpise it's getting slammed

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Most people slammed the first one, yet it still made money. Ebert loved the first one.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    The Beastie Boys count as three.

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    I have known several Black People who had gold teeth. Nice guys too!! Why is that such a negative stereotype. Maybe it is based on a rapper, or hip hop artist of which MANY have gold teeth in real life. This is not Black Face, that I could see being offensive, but gold teeth, really? Did people get upset that C3P0 sounded like a nerdy WHITE professor? That is a sterotype as well, for another intentionally annoying character.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    can't what be both?

    by turketron_2

    ?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Captain Jack Sparrow...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    has a gold tooth.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    ErnestBorgNine

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    Thank you!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    The gold tooth on it's own isn't the issue

    by Samuel Fulmer

    It's all the things combined. Thanks for playing.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBre ak

    by HoboCode

    No, they got upset that C3PO was an effete homosexual sterotype.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Those robots are based on Jack Sparrow, everyone!

    by TheJokesOnUs

    Thank you, ErnestBorgNine. The hip-hop slanging, illiterate robots with gold teeth are based on Jack Sparrow. Whew.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    I have not seen it yet, so cannot say much about it, but I just think the pointing out of the gold tooth is silly! Thanks.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Can't it suck for sucking sake and suck for being racist too?

    by mitortilla

    If the brobots would've at least be funny we wouldn't be here. I'll say it again, I don't easily get offended as you might have noticed by my sense of humor, but I did notice some stuff from the first film against latinos specially. And just google "racist" "transformers" there's a lot of blacklash from the black community.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    When are white men going to get a fair shake?

    by TheJokesOnUs

    When are white men going to take this country back? Who's with me, ErnestBorgNine, WickedJester and IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBre ak?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    C3PO was prissy

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But I wouldn't call him a gay stereotype. Now if he told Luke that he looked fabulous and walked around with a limp wrist, that'd be a different story.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    WickedJester wrote in David Duke.

    by Harry Weinstein

    n/t

  • June 23, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    TheJokesOnUs

    by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak

    I am with you!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    So McG's got a bigger penis.

    by MrFloppy

    XD

  • June 23, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Flimfreak Central's review

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    "The worst summer in recent memory continues as Michael Bay brings his slow push-ins and Lazy Susan dolly shots back to the cineplex with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (hereafter Transformers 2), the ugliest, most hateful, most simple-minded and incomprehensible assault on art and decency since the last Michael Bay movie. It's bad (that goes without saying), and it's possible that even its fans will have the brute sense to recognize that it's bad--but it's bad in such a way that defies easy description. It's so bad, it's exasperating. The action, as you'd expect, is impossible to follow, with long stretches cascading in on one another without the slightest notion of who's winning, where, and to what end."

  • June 23, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    And it's okay for Harry to use the word "honeychild"...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    and claim his favorite film of all time is "Song of the South," but Bay puts a couple of questionable characters in his movie and it's a hate crime? I admit that Mudflap and Skids are goofy, questionable and uncool, but racist? Sorry, but after actually seeing the film, unlike the majority of you, that wasn't what stuck with me. It was more the action, the special effects and the slow-motion Megan Fox running.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    WickedJester & ErnestBorgNine

    by Massawyrm 1

    <p>Actually, I found the more than obvious caricatures uncomfortable. It was the two friends I attended the film with who were REALLY offended.</p> <p>I wonder. If I mention that those friends are black, does that make me a racist?</p>

  • June 23, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Ah...ErnestBorgNine

    by Massawyrm 1

    So you just laughed at the Sambots. I get it now.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    JackLucas

    by TheJokesOnUs

    Why can't you have fun at a good movie? What, because something has a ridiculous premise it has to be shitty? And anyone that hates it are just mean, bitter haters? The first "Godzilla", "King Kong" and "Pirates Of The Caribbean" had crazy premises, yet they were quality movies. Don't hate on people with higher standards and IQs than yourself. Be happy watching dumb shit and fucking fat chicks, then. Don't bother the rest of us.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I didn't think it was racist

    by mitortilla

    until I saw the three crows from Dumbo landing on optimus prime and started talking 'jive.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    If many of you don't know about the rampant racism on this site.

    by JackLucas

    you probably haven't been coming here very often.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    my suggestion of "brobots"

    by turketron_2

    Goes with my suggestion of having fratboy robots who use the word "bro" a whole bunch. I haven't seen these things yet, just making a suggestion for what would have been more comical than the jar jar throwback they apparently went with instead. My idea would have been totally cash, bro. I'm pretty sure this movie sucks for sucking sake, but Bay's idiotic attempts at humor seem to be a root cause. Of course, I'm sure many audiences will guffaw at the dumb shit he puts on screen.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Offended by robots

    by CaseyMcCall

    And I thought the hate for Indy 4 was weird...

  • June 23, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBre ak

    by TheJokesOnUs

    We're all meeting at the burning lower cross "t". I'll bring the razors, you bring your copy of "Mein Kampf"!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    I SPAKE

    by CAR_CAR_BINKS

    Wesa racist stereotypes. That's why you no liking us meesa thinks.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    TF2 = leave-your-brain-outside entertainment

    by MorganLeafy

    Thing is, that makes it so much harder for most fans to remember to pick it back up again.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    5 robots merge together to form

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Al Jolson.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Is it worse than Jazz?

    by knowthyself

    Cause just one minute of him was unbearable in the first film.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    There should have been a 2 bots 1 cup scene

    by turketron_2

    I hope you're reading this Mr. Bay... put it in part 3!!! GO FOR BROKE.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    There's a big difference between a movie that...

    by Massawyrm 1

    ...requires you to take your brain out to watch it, and one that requires you to stomp on it a couple times before putting it back in. Guess which one this is.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Spielberg's just as much to blame as Bay

    by alienindisguise

    My guess is that he could have overridden anything Bay was doing but just didn't give a shit about a property he supposedly "loves". Just lame.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Right on!

    by swedishero

    Massawyrm is 100% right! I saw this shitpile of a movie last night and I walked out speechless. I really liked the first movie and I wanted to love this one...Sadly that was not the case. It seems like Michael Bay thought he could get away with throwing in every single sequel cliche and get away with it...He does not! This movie was solely an exercise in inflating Bay's already enormous ego. He even has Shia painting on a BAD BOYS II poster for Fucks Sake! I mean how self indulgent can you possibly be? and why BAD BOYS II. is it because he knows people are gonna hate this movie as much as they hated the Bad Boys sequel and this is his way of trying to suggest, "Hey this was all done on purpose, I was trying to show the audience that if I just spend 2 1/2 hours blowing shit up people will still love it! No matter how incomprehensible or mindnumbingly dull EVERY single character is!" I think he brings in something like 20 new decepticons and 6 new autobots and we never get a sense of who the hell these characters are and what purpose they serve. And lets not forget the glaring plot holes. I'm not gonna get into spoilers but to give you an idea of how little they thought through this movie Lets think for a second...Motorcycle autobots...awesome. Motorcycle autobots in a desert...fucking brain dead. When has anyone...EVER seen a motorcycle work in sand? Saying they are magical alien motorcycle tires is not an excuse...

  • June 23, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    As bad as this will be, I'm sure it'll be better than

    by turketron_2

    THE SPIRIT.<p> I'M STILL PISSED AT THAT MOVIE WEEKS LATER AND WE FAST-FWD'D THROUGH 75% OF IT.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    TheJokesOnYou...

    by JackLucas

    you know, I started tapping out a well rounded and fair response to your failed attempt at a personal jab. Then I saw that you included GODZILLA as an example of cinephiles such as yourself having higher standards and IQ's. Decided it would be better to just go on living my life and ignore you.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I don't know, Massawyrm...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    I don't think you're a racist and I never claimed you were. I didn't have the same reaction to the characters as you did, that's all. And I guaran-goddamn-tee you that I am more liberal than you are. I just pointed out that NONE of the Transformers can read the symbols, not just Mudflap and Skids.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Regarding ErnestBorgNine...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That guy just makes friends everywhere he goes.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    If you're in a persistent vegetative state

    by Samuel Fulmer

    you'll love Transformers 2!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    JackLucas

    by OBSD

    You=retard. See my previous post. Thanks for pointing yourself out. Someone will be by your house to chop off your balls to make sure you don't breed. Ever. Thanks and have a good day.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    IT'S UPGRADE TIME OKEEDAY?

    by CAR_CAR_BINKS

    Ye gods, whatta meesa sayin'?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    JackLucas

    by TheJokesOnUs

    Hey, I like the 1950s "Godzilla". Did I give you credit in assuming you knew I meant the original Japanese movie and not the 1990s American one?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    TheJokesOnUs

    by WickedJester

    Not Obama.<br><br>I wasn't saying the movie can't suck AND have racial motivations behind it, I was just saying I'm not defending the movie. If it sucks, it sucks. Not necessarily BECAUSE of the racism.<br><br>I just can't imagine being offended by a cgi robot or cgi star wars character.<br><br>Even if he was using one hand to beat his wife with a salami while guzzling beer in his other, with an Italian and Irish flag tatoo on his back.<br><br>But, like I said, I'm not part of the Panties in a bunch group.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    From Urban Dictionary

    by mitortilla

    3. mud flap 24 up, 20 down love it hate it a racial slur for a really dark african american that mud flap stole my bike!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I think you guys never gave it a chance

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It really sucks to read these reviews on all these sites every summer. EVERY summer movie gets slammed. Pirates. Star Wars. Every big franchise always gets slammed. It gets old. When Avatar gets its first bad review, I won't be surprised.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Harry Weinstein

    by WickedJester

    David Duke jokes? Really?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Skid

    by mitortilla

    3. Skid 88 up, 53 down love it hate it Brown shit stains on a pair of briefs, or a person who is discovered with(or suspected of having) said marks.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Now you're just making things up, Massawyrm...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    what part of "goofy, questionable and uncool" means I laughed at them?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I like it when things explode...

    by TheJokesOnUs

    Megan Fox is hot. All women should look like that. Linkin Park is a great band, better than the Stones by far. When special effects are on the screen, I clap my hands and smile because it makes me happy.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    READ? UNH UH

    by CAR_CAR_BINKS

    How wude!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    ErnestBorgNine, I'm just pointing out that...

    by Massawyrm 1

    I found an obnoxious racial stereotype disconcerting and uncomfortable and you seem perfectly fine with it. What does that say?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    See Bay threw Paramount Under The Bus?

    by MANNZILLA

    They weren't aparently spending enough on pr for his liking. Maybe they realized he made a steaming pile of shit and cut their losses

  • June 23, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    OBSD...

    by JackLucas

    don't promise me things that you can't deliver on. I would LOVE a free vasectomy! Will you take my two sons as well so that they can be raised by such stellar acheiving individuals such as yourself? I mean, as proud as your parents most likely are to have such a discerning and upstanding young woman such as yourself as a daughter, I'm sure you would make a wonderful mother. I'll pack their shit. What time will you be here?

  • June 23, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by TheJokesOnUs

    I'm not surprised. You're probably a white Republican. I'm not saying you're a racist. I don't know you. I will say that you're unaware of stereotyping and ignorance that pervades society. That doesn't mean that whites can never tell jokes about blacks. Anything is fair game, but you have to man up and admit it. Those bots are clearly meant to be black, and if there were robots such as a Suzukibot good at karate and a Pintobot with a metal sombrero, it would be just as ridiculous. Plus, it's just lazy and stupid. Like Michael Bay's movies, and the people that like them.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    What the hell is this movie?

    by #1 Zero

    My god, if I was a critic, I swear sometimes I would just give some movies the "what the hell is this movie" rating. This sounds like it would get one of those. Jazz was pretty much a racial stereotype in the first one (at least a lot of people thought so) with his break dancing and hip hop lingo. Now it sounds like he "tested" well so they amped up that aspect of things. But beyond that I don't like the idea of having the previous robot "stars" on the bench. I mean make it about the characters we know. Oh well, who cares I'll probably wait for cable for this thing. And I also agree that this summer is a huge disappointment movie wise. Star Trek was probably the best and that was a reboot of an almost 50 year old story so really how original was that? And unfortunately, Public Enemies is getting luke warm reviews from what I've seen. On to The Hurt Locker for me I guess.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Damn. And here I was ready to say "who cares?"

    by Cotton McKnight

    I was going to say this movie is review-proof and that I would see it no matter what, but now.. geez. You highlighlighted some of the things I disliked about the first one and told me its actually worse now. You definitely dampened my enthusiasm.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    JackLucas has kids?

    by TheJokesOnUs

    Here comes the cure for AIDS, everybody! Maybe the other one will invent cars that run on water, or make awesome kick-ass movies like Michael Bay!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    WE DON'T REALLY DO MUCH READING

    by CAR_CAR_BINKS

    It's a longo taleo buta small part of it would be mesa... racist stereotype. Yeah, yousa might'n be sayin dat.

  • June 23, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Forget the race thing

    by Samuel Fulmer

    The question is not so much is Bay a racist, but why are these stupid moments in the film? From all accounts they dominate throughout the run time. I think the problem is that you've got a director that has total contempt for the film he's doing, so he's just putting as much stupid off topic stuff in there to stroke his own agenda. Thinking back to the first movie, it spent way too much time with stupid teen movie antics, and barely any on the action/sci-fi stuff. I mentioned Toy Story in an above post and I'll mention it again. Imagine if the focus of the first Toy Story wasn't Buzz and Woody, but the kid who owns Buzz and Woody. That alternate version of Toy Story is how these Transformers films play out. It's like Bay is making a dumb teen coming of age sex comedy that just happens to have Transforming robots in it. If Bay stuck with the actual Transformers concept, people would'nt spend so much time over analyzing his lame (and racially questionable) comedy that seems to dominate these films.

  • June 23, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    I haven't seen this film but a thing about stereotypes

    by Continentalop

    If you had a transformer turn into a smaller car, fought like it was good at martial arts and spoke in pidgin English, would you say you could correctly assume that it was supposed to represent Asians? <p> If you had a transformer turn into a BMW, is militant and salutes Megatron like he was a Nazi, could you assume it is supposed to represent Germans. <p> And if you had a transformer turn into a pink car, had it talk with a lisp and complain about the others transformers color schemes could you assume it is supposed to represents homosexuals? <p> So I think there is nothing wrong with people assuming the two twins represent black urban youth. <p> The second part, however, is that wrong? We are becoming a post race world (well, everywhere but here at AICN) so is the film making a racist joke on black stereotypes or are they make a legitimate criticism and joke at the expense of hip-hop/urban culture, which they might not like? Is it them channeling David Dukes or them channeling Chris Rock and his criticism of those who are "Keeping it real...real stupid!" I haven't seen the film but it is a valid question.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Is it time for a reboot yet?

    by HoboCode

  • June 23, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    If Harry Likes this Movie....

    by liquids

    Ill never visit this website again. Fuck Bay, Fuck Spielberg, Fuck the sheep who see this shit, and Fuck to two hack writers. Transformers fucking suck anyway. Why you think they waited 25 years to make a fucking movie cause no one gives a shit.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Massa

    by WickedJester

    Is the guy who last week had an avatar of himself nailed to a cross with an IV of Dr. Pepper really about to try to teach me whats offensive?<br><br>If your friends were offended, they're a bunch of pussies and should stick to 'safe' material like UP! to ensure they don't leave any movie without a smile on their face<br><br>My original point was (before I suddenly got twisted into the Grand Wizard of the TB), if someone lays the dots out there and YOU connect them, you're calling the kettle -- no pun intended -- black.<br><br>Short haircut.<br><br>Female<br><br>Gym Teacher<br><br>Did you automatically think lesbian?<br><br>I intended the character to be a neo-nazi that lives with her very straight punk-rock skater boyfriend.<br><br>Guess you're misinterpretationmakes me a homophobe now.<br><br>I'm not even going as far as to say that Bay wasn't intending to be a bigot, what do I know, I wasn't there writing it. But as usual, everyone throws the race card so automatically now, it's truely amazing.<br><br>This whole thing has me rolling my eyes so much I can't even remember what the hell I was talking about anymore.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by HoboCode

    Really good post.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Well

    by BERSERKR

    I guess i really can't pass judgment until i see the film. Hey here is a thought, totally off subject matter, but for some reason it popped in my brain so here it is, The Hobbit...sure the subject matter isn't quite as good as Lord of the rings but who else here thinks the movies will be better than The Lord of the rings movies?

  • June 23, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Why didn't people complain about the movie CARS

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Shit, that movie was ALL racial stereotyping. Yet. Critics missed that one.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    And even if it was being pegged as a racist

    by WickedJester

    it's cool to see my name in the black box! Thank's Massa! Made my day... now I have to go meet TheJokesOnus.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I think everyone's missing the point

    by TruPhan

    Unless Michael Bay wanted us to be debating whether or not characters in the flick are black stereotypes, he fucked up. Because last time I checked, I thought he wanted us to come out of the theater having had a good time watching robots fight and talk about cool action sequences.<p>Apparently, the action scenes just aren't more memorable than two characters' dialogue that's only memorable for sucking. So Michael Bay fucked up the film. It happens.<p>Sorry, world!

  • June 23, 2009, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer - your logic

    by Boborci

    would completely apply if the movie was completely animated. This is the only franchise I know of where the title characters are completely CGI in a live action format. It puts barriers on screen time.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by WickedJester

    Nice, well thought out post. What the hell are you doing here? :-P

  • June 23, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Boborci

    by Samuel Fulmer

    You mean Shia Lebouf and Megan Fox are real? I get your point. Maybe it should've stayed animated.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Racist or not

    by kolchak

    it's an awful movie.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Ebert had the best one-liner about this film:

    by Larry of Arabia

    "If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination."

  • June 23, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    One can dream...

    by JackLucas

    one can only dream. Oh, and for the record... I can't fucking stand about 80% of what Bay has put out up to this point. I just recognize these TF flicks for what they are and enjoy the fact that I can geek out a bit with my kids the way I did when I watched the toons and collected the toys back in the day. Yes, they have stupid shit in them. Yes, Bay doesn't seem to have anyone checking him on his shit and so we have to wiggle past a lot of the fart jokes and horseshit to get to the cool. But I just can't help but laugh at the number of people who get SO up in arms over these things. I understand that this is a film lovers site. What gets me is that most of us can't seem to get past the fact that at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. So I feel it's OK to laugh at a dick joke here and there or at a robot humping a chick's leg. I used to be one of you vehement "this isn't good in the sense of what I personally believe is good so fuck it and fuck anyone who thinks differently than I do" types of TalkBacker fuckwads back when I first started coming here in '98. So I understand the mentality. I do. I just know, or at least hope, that one day you guys who get so fucking angry about this kind of thing will realize how petty it is and be able to sit back and giggle a little at Jar Jar for what he is. Or these "Sambots". Or any other number of dumb humor spots in what might otherwise actually be a fun summer film. That's all. Oh, and fuck you and your fucking mother. Go eat shit and watch your Kubrick films you elitest snob cunts. I am better than all of you. Thanks.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by TheJokesOnUs

    I will say that that example was used exactly by Michael Scott in an episode on "The Office" about racism. When your logic is dovetailing into a character such as Michael Scott... it's not looking too good for you, my man.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    the studio could have saved a bundle

    by RobotKing

    by having a 13 year old kid write the screenplay, instead of those chumps Orci & Kurtzman. Those priveleged motherfuckers probably got stoned one evening and threw that piece of crap together in a couple of hours, messing it up on purpose, then laughing their asses off while they pull one over on the studio, and especially the audience. What greedy jerks.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer - your logic

    by Boborci

    Samuel Fulmer "You mean Shia Lebouf and Megan Fox are real? I get your point. Maybe it should've stayed animated."<p> I'll bet a future iteration of these movies will take that route.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Actually WickedJester

    by Massawyrm 1

    <p>The guy who posted an unsolicited, fan-drawn picture of himself, mocking his beliefs, drink choice and addiction is EXACTLY the kind of guy who knows what offensive is. I not only let people mock me - I celebrate it.</p> <p>And your Gym teacher wouldn't strike me as a lesbian. But if she ran around the whole film slapping girls asses, commenting on the perkiness and size of girl's breasts and made jokes about carpet getting caught in her teeth - you could hardly blame me for connecting the dots. Enjoy the pointy wizards hat. That's gotta be the best part of the job.</p>

  • June 23, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    GI Joe will be better. Can you just imagine if that happens?

    by Ash Talon

    TF2 will open huge. And bad word-of-mouth will destroy it. Although, next weekend is a holiday weekend which will help. This movie will drop like rock, though. Just like Wolverine. <p> I'm hoping GI Joe actually turns out to be the surprise hit of the summer. The one movie everyone is writing off. If it's actually good, it could take everyone by surprise and actually have some legs. It'll have the entire month of August all to itself. <p> And then the circle of life will be complete. The wannabe-Sommers will have usurped his mentor Bay. Like one Sith killing another and taking his place.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    TheJokesOnus

    by WickedJester

    I'm in NO WAY, unaware of it. I was saying that if it was so offensive, then the people offended should start petitioning THEIR OWN PEOPLE to stop REPRESENTING THEMSELVES THAT WAY.<br><Br>To be offended by something that is so prevelant EVERYWHERE - BET,MTV, fuck even VH1 puts Lil' Wayne on now! - is just ridicilous.<br><br>I know I don't know prejudice (except maybe when I was like 6 and asthmatic I didn't get picked very high in sports), I wouldn't dare to pretend to.<br><br>But the people who are all ready to organize a march on Bay's house are more than likely the same people that would laugh at the stereotype if it was in a Tyler Perry show/movie, or if (as mentioned) Chris Rock was doing it.<br><br>Fuck, wasn't this an episode of The Office (US) now that I think about it!?

  • June 23, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Some things just don't make good live action

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Garbage Pail Kids comes to mind.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    How is it...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    ...that an animated from from 1987 nailed the property so much better?

  • June 23, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Skids and Mudflap refer to Leo, the Latino college student playe

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Judging a movie on its merits

    by ColonelFatheart

    WickedJester: Sure, let's judge the movie on its merits. This movie features a couple of clearly bigoted stereotypes of blacks as prominent characters. That's a pretty big merit to judge it on. It's one thing to make a character that sounds black (get a black guy to do the voice!), but why go out of your way to make these characters so stereotypically "street"? Is this choice implying that Prime and others are "white"? Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of Massawyrm's black friends. There's racial humor, and then there's crude, dehumanizing stereotypes.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Things not looking good.

    by mitortilla

    Skids and Mudflap refer to Leo, the Latino college student played by Ramon Rodriguez, as a “shrimp taco.”

  • June 23, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Did You Haters Ever Think...

    by blhotz

    that perhaps Jar-Jar and the "cheesy" autobots were put into the movies for kids? OMG... don't feed the kids!! ...lol. Learn to ignore!

  • June 23, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    JackLucas: Defender of the Mediocre!

    by TheJokesOnUs

    Way to hold it down! Celebrate fast food, minimalls and getting her done! America needs a few heroes, and JackLucas has answered the call. Can you?

  • June 23, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    IS BEST MOVI E EVER SO SHUT FUCK UP .!!

    by petergrifin

    this is the best movei ever made ,so shut fuck up about it then !i dont care if is racist becase im white and so are most peeple so whats problem then ?is awsome movie with best, specail affects ever saw in a movie before in my life and micjheal bay is best directing and this movie make you love usa and also make you t hink about 9/11 and you are not patroit if you dont see it then !peeple shold shut fuck up about racist stuff becase it dosnt matter if you are white person does it so just go to see best moive ever made and shut fuck up and stop saying these things then !micheal bay is best directing in world and you are fag if you disagre .!i see it in england wehn im visits my dad and i only person who cheer at the end and all of england fags walk out and not cheeering !becase they jealus of coarse !becase usa is best counrty and tramsormers 2 is best movie ever saw in my life so go to see it then !

  • June 23, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    BOBORCI

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What are your thoughts regarding the allegations of racism in the new film? As one of the screenwriters, is it something you are concerned about and would like to address?

  • June 23, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    TheJokesOnUs -- get out of my head man lol.

    by WickedJester

  • June 23, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Everything good last summer is wrong this summer.

    by Larry of Arabia

    I mean the biggest hits last year were about PLOT and CHARACTER. Dark Knight, Iron Man, Kung-Fu Panda, Wall*E, even Quantum, they all were about character. Hulk and Get Smart might not have been GREAT but they were both character based. This year outside of Star Trek and Up it's all about loud clanging action. The "sure bets" of Wolverine, Transformers, and Terminator seemed to forget that you actually have to make the viewer care about the characters for the action to have any effect at all.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Can anyone tell me:

    by Massawyrm 1

    is this petergrifin serious or satire? I honestly can't fucking tell at this point.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to see...

    by Fenrisulfr

    ... how many millions of retarded people there are in the world. All the people who are actually gonna go watch this ultimate epic absolute piece of stinking smoking shit. Michael Bay MAKES SHIT. He can't film shit, can't tell shit, and certainly can't compose a fucking orchestra of mayhem as Massa said. The guy is probably one of the most arrogant pricks in Hollywood right now, is the most unlikable director I ever heard in an interview, his films are unwatchable, his action sequences are unreadable and migraine inducing, and still, the guy keeps making movies because you motherfuckers keep giving him your hard-earned money. I don't know if I hate you guys more, or the Bay himself.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Lol, you snobs

    by lockesbrokenleg

    "oh, I hate Transformers, but I love Evil Dead." Fuck that

  • June 23, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    If the giant robot testicles were Bay's response to McG

    by smackfu

    than that makes it a fucking hilarious inside joke. But otherwise, yeah, hated the first film, this one looks the same.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Racist robots? TRANSFORMERS 2:ELECTRIC JIGABOOS

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Call it that and get it over with, Mikey, you racist prick.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Some other Racial Coincidences.

    by mitortilla

    http://tinyurl.com/nsf5qp

  • June 23, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    PeterGrifin is sick in the brain.

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Boborci

    "What are your thoughts regarding the allegations of racism in the new film? As one of the screenwriters, is it something you are concerned about and would like to address?" <p> Would like to address the issue. Now is probably not the time to make any general statement, but am happy to answer specific questions if I can.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    blhotz

    by ColonelFatheart

    Yeah, that makes it better, the fact that they're meant for kids. Like Ku Klux Klam.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Massa and everyone

    by WickedJester

    I'm done. Any point other than the ones that peg Bay as the new Hitler are going to be labled racist.<br><br>I don't consider myself one, but what as long as the TBers say so, it must be true.<br><br>And Massa, guess I didn't quite get your point. You encourage mocking? Just as long as it fits who you are with for the day? Isn't racism treating one race different than another? So White Catholics are joke fodder, but black rappers aren't because they're (wait for it) black?<br><Br>The way you're acting you would've thought Optimus was whipping these robots with jumper cables as they sang 'Swing low sweet chariot...'<br><br>I'm not a racist, I hate everyone equally.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah, stop hating snobs and haters lol!

    by TheJokesOnUs

    You just don't know how to have fun, lol! This is a great movie, lmfao! Anyone who says "lol" is a preteen girl, roflmaobbq420.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    DVD screeners have got to be out...

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    So why can't someone rip it and torrent it already so we don't have to support it with money? Wolverine anyone?

  • June 23, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    lol is only for preteens? That's ageist!

    by WickedJester

  • June 23, 2009, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Memo To Bob Orci: Please climb tallest building...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    ...and jump.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Okay, lets take a random survey of reviews

    by skimn

    Detroit Free Press:"In a bit that could be accused of veiled racism, two of them have gold teeth, profess to be illiterate and speak a version of jive that must date back to "Starsky & Hutch." <p>AP:"The only robots with any discernible personality traits, aside from bravery or antagonism, are the Autobot twins, Mudflap and Skids. These are shockingly crass and unfortunate black stereotypes, jive-talking fools who can't read and bumble their way from one mishap to the next. They are Jar Jar Binks in car form."<p>New York Daily News:"One sounds like Steve Buscemi, two others are offensive Amos 'n' Andy-style carbots,"<p>And thats just a small sample. I'm sure these professional critics missed Bay's subtlety...

  • June 23, 2009, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Ed McMahon DIED?!! WTF????

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • June 23, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I just don't know too many straight grown men using "lol"...

    by TheJokesOnUs

    I apologize if there are any out there.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Jazz is the only autobot that dies in the first one.

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Yes. Mr. McMahon has passed. Only 1 site is covering it.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    http://tinyurl.com/mzr9k6

  • June 23, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Oh my! Massawyrm HATES SOMETHING!! Tragic!!

    by JacksonsPole

    Snoooooze. All the writers on this site are either over-the-top with their praise, or over-the-top with their HaterAde. I don't believe anyone takes them seriously, anymore. If they ever did. It's always kind of a joke when you see their name(s? Cause really they only print that big, very corny but loveable, name Harry) in a movie advertisement. Cause their not considered real critics. Just fanboys. And their very stingy fanboydom, at that. They spew vile hatred all over anything that doesn't meet their prissy sensibilities. It seems to me, they're missing the point of the passions that brought them to start this website in the first place. Why can't you just love something for what it is? Why can't you find the good in something, as well as the bad? Why does everything have to rule or suck? Are we in junior high, or something? People work realy hard on films. A lot of planning and preparation. Things don't always go right on the day of the shoot. Money isn't easy to find, or limitless. Contrary to popular belief. A final film is rarely perfect. So, can't you find what they were doing right and build on that? Why all this pisssy moaning and groaning?! It makes coming to this site a trying experience. Wading through your tantrums to find nuggets of movie gold (which is why I keep coming back). All this bitching just seems counter intuitive and counter productive. It's like politics on the national scene. It's so divisive that nothing gets done. Is that what you want from life? A nation divided?! How can you make great movies when all you see is negatives? It makes optimistic and big picture people, such as myself, feel as though we're pushing that damn bolder up that damn mountain...

  • June 23, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Guess I need a shoehorn for the foot in my mouth.

    by WickedJester

    This had been the first review I read that suggested the 'blatant' racism.<br><br>My points still stand, though.<br><br>Guess I'm just not the offended type.<br><br>Except TheJokesOnUs now infering I'm a non-straight grown male or a straight 11 year old girl.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Yahoo news doesn't even have it up

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Sad. I guess they'd rather show videos of squirrels doing tricks.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    RE: petergrifin

    by Continentalop

    I am convinced he is the Andy Kaufman of AICN. A comedian who never winks or lets you know it is a joke. <p> Either that or someone who should increase the dosage of his meds.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    JacksonsPole -- your post was long and boring....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I got 6 rows down and said no fucking way am I gonna continue reading what this douche bag has to say. You and your whole bloodline could die tomorrow and I could give a fuck.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Hey Now! You Are Correct Sir!!

    by skimn

    You'd think McMahon would get a mention. Just think, he and Phil Hartman are dueling McMahon's in heaven as we speak...

  • June 23, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Berserkr

    by rfid

    Dude, if you can't even spell "conceited," then you're not exactly someone whose word holds a lot of weight with me.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm is a tool - always has been

    by jansona

    Completely stopped reading your reviews as they are completely worthless and your taste in movies is terrible.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Messy & ugly Transformers = too exspiseive = less screen time

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    This what happens when the director hate the source material<P> <P>Well maybe if Bay didn't fuck up the designs by giving the transformers 50,000 different parts they would not have been so expensive.....<P> If the Transformer's designs were not so EXPENSIVE they could have had more scene time.....<P> If the designs weren't so messy and ugly then maybe people could tell what the fuck they are looking at.<P> Nobody wanted a blocky cartoon look... Bay shits on everything he touches.....<P>What no middle ground between Bays scrap metal shit piles and the cartoon .... what a waste.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    As much as I hate to agree with DG's Dickblood

    by Massawyrm 1

    I got similarly bored and had to pull away. Nothing like someone who rarely reads the site giving informed critique...someone give me a heads up if he actually had something of merit to say.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Tiny robots can suck it!

    by strosmer

    That's all I have to say.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    did somebody say giant robot balls?

    by son_of_ebert

    nope sorry I'm all out of summer movie $$$.. might check it out on netflix though..

  • June 23, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    If they didn't really matter jansona

    by Massawyrm 1

    Would you stop by to flap your gums? Move along and let the big kids continue their conversation.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by ColonelFatheart

    "So White Catholics are joke fodder, but black rappers aren't because they're (wait for it) black?" Nice straw man. Ugly stereotypes are ugly stereotypes, no matter what. Mexican, Irish, Polish, Black, etc. Check out the AP reviewer's point. Why do the only robots with any kind of personality in this movie happen to be the ones that are blatant black stereotypes? On top of being ridiculously racist, it's lazy and stupid.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm, Borg9, Wicked Jester

    by C A Iversen

    I'm from New Zealand, so have no real perspective on what makes people so hateful towards each other in the states based on colour. I will say this though. I'm shocked that a reviewer is calling two guys racist simply because they watched something and looked past what may or may not have been racial stereotyping. Calling someone that is one of the most hateful things you can say and I note they are not calling you racist. Jester pointed out your drawing trying to say you were being relatively hypocritical. I don't care if your right or wrong on this stereotyping issue. These guys are not necessarily racist and you should not rush to calling them as such. Take the higher ground and maybe say, "Ok, we disagree, I've made my feelings clear". Or something like that. You are spewing venom and to be honest I don't expect you to have any level of grace to back off a bit, but if you do you'll be the bigger man.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_off

    by WickedJester

    How am I not for progression? I want to get OVER this shit.<br><Br>Don't want shit like this to happen? Stop stuffing the representatives of said racial stereotype in people's faces everywhere they go.<br><br>Can I be mad that a wise-cracking italian is automatically a mobster? No because the only things that have come out with Italians are either Mobster movies or... Rocky.<br><br>Can I be mad that most people consider Irish people drunks? No, because St. Patrick's Day happens every year!<br><br>I can poke fun at my heritage too.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm -- no he didn't.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Just a rambling cunt. If you're gonna be a cunt...FINE. But at least make it concise for fuck's sake.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    But DGDB... If it was 'rambling", then by definition...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    it isn't 'concise,' no?

  • June 23, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm..since AICN doesn't have a McMahon story...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....up. Feel free to link to ours. <p>http://tinyurl.com/mzr9k6

  • June 23, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ZombieHeath -- from a certain point of view.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 23, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ps. petergriffin is satire.

    by JacksonsPole

    whether he knows it, or not. that sh*t is hilarious comedy. oh, and as for the racist stamp, i haven't seen the flick. not gonna comment. but, i will say, the last film had three black guys who were computer geniuses. They helped save the world. Kinda not racist. Also, the cartoon had black charicatures. I dunno. I have a hard time buying that the characters were meant as racist. People are just so damn sensitive these days. But, I could be wrong. As I said. Haven't seen flick...

  • June 23, 2009, 4:49 p.m. CST

    CA Iverson is right.

    by WickedJester

    Massa (and everyone for that matter), I apologize if you took my comments as me supporting the Klan, but that was not my intention. In fact, I started it off as a joke -- that white guys can't have gold teeth? -- and it suddenly turned into this.<br><br>We're not about to solve the race issue here on this TB, nor do I think that it was anyone's intention to try. <br><Br>If your friends were offended, I can't say I understand that, but I'm not in their shoes, skin, whatever.<br><Br>I have friends (of color) on both sides of that fence, some laugh til they pee -- others want to storm out when presented with such material. <br><br>I understand everyone's point and if it is that blatant of a racial offense, than it's unfortuntate that it will be seen by millions of people a million times.<br><Br>Just because I do not get offended by such material that may jab at my religion, race, heritage, whatever doesn't mean other do not have the right to be.<br><br>

  • June 23, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Twins steal megatrons stereo.

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    petergrifin = MISSISSIPPI DELTA BLUES

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 23, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    White people never fail

    by whothefuckcares

    They will ALWAYS defend any depiction of non-whites in a negative light and NEVER chalk it up to or as bigotry. EVER. Even though, obviously, Masswyrm and Devin Faraci and alot of other reviewers are white, but I mean the talkbackers at this site an others. You whites odn't quit/ You never quit. This "IS" the example they use when they talk about something so blatantly offensive that not even the most...WHITEST white person can defend it. It's like, the fuck do they have to do to offend you guys? Seriously, I downloaded it yesterday, (and am going to New York to get my money back) and it's every bit as bad as people say. But of course the WHITES will never point out how offensive that shit is. So. Fucking. PreDICTABLE!

  • June 23, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    DGDB- Don't go all ObiWan From Empire on me, lol

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    "From a certain point of view." heh heh. Just to play devil's advocate, from what point of view can one be both rambling AND concise? Just askin'.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    WAAA! Giant robots offend me. WAAAA!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • June 23, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    JacksonsPole - do I HAVE to guess what race he is?

    by whothefuckcares

    My god. My. God.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Sounds Like

    by HapaPapa72

    not even Megan Fox's It-Girl ass cheeks hanging outta her cut-offs can save this one. Wasn't gonna see it, and now even less so. Thanks, Massa. "You da cow..." "Naww, you da cow!" "Hey, Disney gets us!"

  • June 23, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Wicked Jester!

    by C A Iversen

    I'm outraged that you spelt my surname wrong, just because of Allan Iverson. Don't stereotype me! Just kidding, but thats almost how knee jerk this has been. Anyhow, who says it's a negative stereotype to have a gold tooth and speak like a rapper? These guys make big money, so I'd call it positive. We're all different, let's not get too hung up on it.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    C A Iversen

    by Massawyrm 1

    Actually, if you go back and read the thread you'll note that I never call anyone racist. In fact the word Racist never appears in the review. What I was doing with Wicked & Borg9 was turning the tables on their criticism to point out how easily it can be done. For the record, I don't find either of them to be racially motivated. But the way they went about their defense of the characters was unwarranted. So I trolled a bit to illustrate a point. I don't think Bay is a racist either. But I think it's safe to say his film is insensitive.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    And they come in droves

    by whothefuckcares

    lockesbrokenleg. If I had money for every time one of you guys said something. "Waah weah waah, everyone's offended, waah waah waah". Your white ass would be the first fucking person to cry reverse racism if some black or non-white had said some shit about whites that you feel whites would be unable to respond back to.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Zardozap2005

    by gunnarcannibal

    You are an idiot.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST

    whothefuckcares

    by WickedJester

    The movie ALSO lampoons Italians no? Guess they're just poking fun at the black Italians? <br><Br>And 'white people' always have to defend it because they're always the one being put on trial for it.<br><br>When was the last time a black writer/director/producer/,usician was even approached about such a matter? And don't even tell me it's because they don't do it.

  • June 23, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Shit, Am I in the south again?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    DAMM IT!!

  • June 23, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    I think Bay is. He shits on blacks in every movie.

    by whothefuckcares

    One movie and only one movie, one incident, is one thing. Even though the level of an incident can be huge, but this is THIS movie, this is one HUGE incident, not some small shit, and this is dating all the way back to Bad Boy and The fucking Rock. But if I was white maybe I'd wonder what the big deal was. ha ha ha. Y'all get away with murder man. Bay is a fuckin' embarrassment.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    JacksonsPole

    by skimn

    Whhhaaaahh!! You people are negative!! Movies are hard to make with film and actors and stuff!! Whaaaaaahhh!!<p>Listen jackweed, if this site saved me 10 bucks or more for a shitty movie, or raised awareness for a movie I might've overlooked, its done its job and then some.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Save your money! see Avatar instead!!

    by SylarTheCylon

    hit these bastards where i hurts!!

  • June 23, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Too much shit on screen.

    by atalcot

    I think by Transformer 3 they may reach their goal of having 1 robot per square pixel.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    But for every Transformer film this site slams

    by lockesbrokenleg

    it praises 100 or so more film festival movies no one will ever see.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    WickedJester

    by Massawyrm 1

    Actually, I disagree with the whole "Italian Stereotype" angle. That Character isn't Italian. He's VERY CLEARLY a Joe Pesci impersonation - right down to some Goodfellas dialog. The thing that nailed it home for me was the cribbing of a Lethal Weapon line. "I'm getting too old for this crap!"

  • June 23, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    You could just post JacksonsPole's post

    by turketron_2

    And then put a message that says, "Transformers 2 is just as shitty as what you just read". I was not able to read that shit either, hell, petergrifin's post was probably better.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST

    "I'm getting too old for this crap!"

    by Boborci

    Actually, the line first appeared in TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Boborci

    by Massawyrm 1

    Is that where the line was cribbed from?

  • June 23, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    WickedJester = my example of whites screaming reverse racism

    by whothefuckcares

    The evry definition of it in your reply to me. It was only a matter of time. "And 'white people' always have to defend it because they're always the one being put on trial for it." I could quote your whole post but just that one part. The "whites are innocent" part. Fuckin' typical man. It's always the same shit. It's like what the fuck do they have to do for YOU, not someone sensitive, YOU, and white people like YOU, to be offended by it? The fuck do they have to do? Obviously you don't disagree with the portrayal if you DON'T find it offensive. Did "YOU" point out that the italian stereotype was OFFENSIVE? You just asked me what I thought, because I didn't point it out. Well why not you? No one's got a rope tied around your hands. One at a time. You could've brought it up on your own terms. They put that shit in there, and your still not offended by it. It only makes me think what you think about that shit, and if you DON'T find it offensive, the fuck does it say about you? Let some bblak people make fun of whites, and as you pointed out, and I POINTED OUT BEFORE YOU, whites all over would be screaming bloody fucking murder! Democratic and fuckin' republican alike. But go ahead, gloss over half the shit I said.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    People just don't get it

    by mitortilla

    It's the WE DON'T DO MUCH READING that makes it so so WRONG. Remember, the "N" word means "IGNORANT". Ignorance associated with African Americans is the worst thing you can say. It sets us back like 50 years as a society.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Is that where the line was cribbed from?

    by Boborci

    Line wasn't in the script. It was "improvised..."

  • June 23, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    cribbing of a Lethal Weapon line

    by son_of_ebert

    Haven't we seen this kind of "homage" from these folks in the past? It started as old hat and is still old hat..

  • June 23, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm call a spade a spade already...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    no pun intended. In TRANFORMERS you have "Mammy!" "Speak English, dude" Crzy black guy hacker "Shut up Grandma" which wouldn't be so bad if there were other black characters not acting nuts but if memory serves the only other black character is crazy fat hacker's even fatter Dance Dance Revolution friend who screams and crashes thru the glass door only to be tackled into the pool for more 'comic relief." I'll give Bay a pass on Jazz because that's how he was in the cartoon series (though a case could be made that Bay took him across the line with, "Whassup Li'l Bitches"). Now you have "stepnfetchit" twinbots who say dem books iz hard to read with gold teeth. I mean c'mon What will it take for you to see the obvious offensive trend in Bay's work?

  • June 23, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    by whothefuckcares

  • June 23, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Boborci

    by Massawyrm 1

    Then I'm going to my fallback position. Besides, if your going to crib, crib off of Shane. No shame in that.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Agree -- Love Shane Black

    by Boborci

  • June 23, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Zombie, forget it. I tried. How the fuck is Bay NOT

    by whothefuckcares

    a bigot is beyond me. And dude, this is one movie. Let's not forget all his others. MAMMY! MAMMY! Mother fuckin' MAMMY! And people defend this shit. I want to see one of you white people get attacked by a black character or made fun of by Spike Lee, 'cause I know you all love him, and see how cool under the hood you keep about it. Fuckin' hypocrites. Call spade a spade is right.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by Continentalop

    Well, isn't the point of sites like this is to champion good movies that don't get enough exposure? Popularity and financial success doesn't also equal quality. <p> That would be like criticizing a literary site for trashing the TWILIGHT book series while praising the work of authors who sell less than 100,000 copies, like Kate Christensen's "The Great Man" or Junot Diaz's "The Brief and Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao"

  • June 23, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Celebrate our differences!

    by bobbofatz

    Are we to get angry at stupid scenes in stupid movies? Eddie Murphy was in white face on snl. He dressed up as a fat person in Nut Prof. There are so many other examples. Tform2 is a stupid movie. Dont let something like this or other people divide us. We are one race!

  • June 23, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    A-FUCKING-MEN!

    by TedKordLives

    I will, no shit here, I will lose respect for anyone I know who buys a ticket to TF2. I don't care if it's my boss or my best friend or President Fucking Obama- If you support this movie in any way then you and me are done. PROFESSIONALLY.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Bay to direct remake of Birth of a Nation

    by mitortilla

    with robots.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:16 p.m. CST

    This is a REVIEW site

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's all opinions. I can disagree or agree with the reviews if I want;. It's not a brainwashing site. Thats Fox News.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Transformers 3: Rebirth of a Nationbot

    by Massawyrm 1

    Sounds aces to me.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by C A Iversen

    So much hate. Just lock Bay and his family up. You know you want to.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    "Call spade a spade is right."

    by Continentalop

    I know it wasn't your intention whothefuckcares, but that line made me laugh. When I went to college we had a number of racial conflicts between some of the students, including a big fight at an off campus party. The Dean said he was going to get to the bottom of this and he was going to assign someone to investigate these problems and find out who is responsible. <p> "This guys is a straight shooter" the Dean said. "He calls a spade a spade when he sees one." <p> You can imagine that did not go over well with the black student body and didn't fill them with to much confidence.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Boborci

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "Would like to address the issue. Now is probably not the time to make any general statement..."<P>Interesting response. Well, I have yet to see the film so I can't offer my two cents on the issue. However, it does sound like some of the film's "choices" are rather insensitive. And in a movie that's supposed to be about a war between ROBOTS, one has to wonder why so much appears to have strayed into such questionable territory.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I was gonna mention Birth Of A Nation as well

    by CaseyMcCall

    ....this discussion is really beyond me.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Awful awful film

    by barnaby jones

    Utter crap.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Lol, man you people like o overblow the smallest things

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Is this movie supposed to be a two hour study on racial divide? Uh. No. It's a sci fi movie.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Birth of a Cybertron

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Close doen AICN - The Hitler of MOVIES!!! EVIL!!

    by NYC_1977

    Please shut these evil bed-ridden guys down......PLEASE!!

  • June 23, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by CaseyMcCall

    That makes it worse, man. It's a disguise. First Michael Bay got us all riled up against gay hairdressers in The Rock, now this! How dare he!

  • June 23, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Orci, trying to phrase a question so you can

    by Dr.DirtyD

    answer. Okay: Did you, yourself, see any racial stereotypes in the film?

  • June 23, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    IMAX or no?

    by wheresmybourbon

    So it's a horrible, racist piece of shit ... but it's an event movie, and most of us will see it at least once anyway. Is it worth ponying up the extra dough for the extra IMAX footage?

  • June 23, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Oh, I forgot about Tyrese "LEFT CHEEK! LEFT CHEEK

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    LEFT CHEEK!" Even the sane black person is a little nuts, added with a little 'flava' of "Bring Da Rain! What!!"

  • June 23, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    The Sweat dripped in torrents down his back...

    by conspiracy

    and from his brow, furrowed in concentration as his body moved fast and rythmically, pumping his rock hard member balls deep into the now gaping bowels of his female lead.</p><p> It was times like this Bay loved life...how easy it all seemed, how little effort it all required. Loosening his grip from Megans sweat and saliva covered,, glowing ass he wiped the sweat and remnants of Peru's prime export from his upper lip..."Fuck this bitch can take a pounding" he though as her now red hot anus showed only the faintest signs of distress as just the hint of feces and blood covered his shaft; "I bet she's been doing this shit since she was 12...good thing I got her before that fucking Spielberg tainted her" he imagined as he gave an extra forceful lunge into her rectum, eliciting a whimper from deep within her throat.</p><p> The coke was really hitting hard now, and frankly the act of fucking yet another nubile flash in the pan had grown tiring...and so his thoughts drifted...he imagined himself now, not destroying the well used shit hold of his current favorite actress, but rather the typical fan. Oh how he'd enjoy it as they wailed...he thought about fucking them while shooting some practical effects; he imagined how startling effect of the explosions would tighten the sphincter of even the most rabid fanboy and Bay appologist, how he'd love to hit it hard whilst watchin his own films..and then it hit him..the ultimate fantasy...he though about Bob Orci holding down an Transformers fan from AICN Talkback while he rammed that piece of shit script square up their ass while jerking himself off, cuz deep down nobody pleasured Bay like Bay.</p><p> Grabbing Megans sweat and spunk drenched hair he yanked her gasping face from the pillows she had buried it in. Self aware tears of humiliation and loathing streamed down her cheeks then she thought of the real film fans, how financially raped and insulted they'd be when they saw TF2...it made her own sub human treatment seem pleasureable by comparison, and at that only the money made it tolerable at all.</p><p> With all the power and overblown visuals of his own film Bay pulled his cock from his muse...and as he stared at her gaping ass he loved himself right there and then...his steaming wad shot high, and in typical Bay fashion he thought...hung for a moment in slow motion before dropping with surprising heft right on the Bulleye on Megans Back...."That", he thought as he stared with contempt at the actress sprawled before him, "That really should have been for the fans"

  • June 23, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD, as Mr. Orci's lawyer I'm gonna have to advise

    by Massawyrm 1

    that he not answer that and take two whiffs of the ether instead. Otherwise, we're never gonna get out of this Vegas hellhole.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    lockesbrokenleg

    by C A Iversen

    "What do you mean... You People?"

  • June 23, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    TRAMSFORMERS2 IS BETTE R THAN ALL OF STARWARS .!

    by petergrifin

    and is better than all of indiama jones and matrix and diehrad !is best moive that has been ,made made and micehal bay is best directing for actoin movies becase way he move camara and also he directs theesplosoins where to go so go to see it then !its no need to say theset hings abuot you wont see it becase you will see becase everone will see it beccase its best choise of all the movies .so pleese dont say any moer of the things about ,racist becase is not bbig deel reelly amd isnt true reely .i dont belive in it and no of my frends do belive in it .is not racist then andits film for all of ages adn im 19 and but old peeple will like it and jkids will liek it for all of the funny part and the actoin amd old pepele will like itfor sams mom wehn shes funny .!i dont undestand what your sayign most of you but i intilted to my opinoin arnt i ?so shut fuck up sauying all these things and just to go see see best movie i ever saw then .!i ,dont want tofight with you ok then ?

  • June 23, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Btw, SHANE was on cable last night...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Fuckin' GREAT film. Such complexity in characters. Even the bad guys are sypathetic and have character arcs. And what bad ass Jack Palance was as Wilson, the gunfighter....'prove it.' How many times has that movie been ripped off?

  • June 23, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    You know a films good when its defenders list box office stats

    by slappy jones

    always means quality.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    You know a films good when its defenders list box office stats

    by slappy jones

    always means quality.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    You know a talkback is good when someone posts it twice

    by Massawyrm 1

    =P

  • June 23, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    ZombieLedger

    by Continentalop

    I can think of at least two direct rip offs/reinterpretations: PALE RIDER and SOLDIER.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    "cybernetic minstrel show"

    by SoylentMean

    Really, so exactly how does a robot put on blackface makeup? And why?<P> I'm already seeing this, like millions upon millions of other humans on this planet. I can only hope it is as mindblowingly offensive as Massa says. We need a good giant robot comedy.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Massa...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    You totally just called my predicament.

  • I know US pop culture is awash with black douches but this is starting to smell...

  • June 23, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Appaloosa

  • June 23, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    massy, love your reviews

    by palewook

    1st time i've given you grief, but boy theres somethings wrong with you if you hate everything about transformers 2. <p> i mean shit, stare at megan fox, that will make at least 1/3 of the movie ok.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    This Film is NOT ART get over it.

    by Crackfiji42

    I just saw a screening last night. Of course the film is not art. And sure it's brain numbing, filled with hot women, bad stereotypes, and giant clanking metallic balls. But guess what? I wasn't going in expecting art, and I was fine with it. The argument that the plot is incomprehensible is something I've read all over the net in these pre-reviews, but guess what? If you can't follow along with it, you're a moron. Because it's easy to get. The rest is popcorn at it's best, simple, and easy to swallow. I understand why so many have issues with it but I'll put it to task with ANY of the new Star Wars pieces of shit. An no, this movie is not pearl harbor.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off..When you are in between phone calls

    by conspiracy

    on company time...there is no time to edit.;)

  • June 23, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    What's the shock horror here. Transformers the terrible.

    by hallmitchell

    I nearly walked out. Yet sat it through. The first movie was terrible yet I will drop how much i hate the first film and someone in a group will always defend it. Why I don't know.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    KANYE WEST IS A GAY FISH

    by craptacular

  • June 23, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Does Megatron turn into a giant gun in this one?

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    conspiracy's stories are fucking legendary.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 23, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Does soundwave shoot a cassette tape that turns into a bird?

    by mitortilla

    or else i'm not watching.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I actually don't blame Orci for the racism, here's why

    by IndustryKiller!

    I'm not sure how many of you read the original Transformers script, but it was widely available online before the movie came out. The movie followed the scripts plot and characters tot he letter but it was clear a HUGE majority of hte dialogue had been improvised using the script as a blueprint. Now int he first film it was a good thing because the T1 script is literally, from a dialogue standpoint, one of the worst studio scripts I've ever read. It was cliche, boring, and impossible to deliver from an acting standpoint. I would actually say, even hating the first film, that the actors did an admirable job with what they had dialogue wise filling in the scripts holes. It looks like that just got all fucked up with this script. That Bay, following his worst instincts as a hack, just went all balls out. Now its not to take all the heat of Orci and Kurtzman, I think we all know the quality of their writing and that they have no problem selling out at every possible second, but its probably small potatoes compared to all the players, actors and writers alike, following Bays direction.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I love that Ebert review

    by Larry of Arabia

    He's best when he covers terrible movies. The disdain drips out of his pen.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST

    ED MACMAHON MISSED TRANSFORMERS 2

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Lucky bastard.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    This review seems similar to DH Garth's

    by Kefrif

    Seriously - have a read of Garth Franklins Dark Horizons review of this film. All the points are similar, and even his use of Batman and Robin is almost the same. If two reviewers on opposite ends of the planet can make the exact same observations of shitness, then you know the film is a dud.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST

    So none of the script is in the movie?

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Paramount pays 3 writers over 8 million dollars or w/e to write a script where most of the dialogue is ad libbed. What % of the script's dialogue made it into the movie 5%?

  • June 23, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    It's shit and we know it is. Repeat as necessary

    by G100

    Sorry but no amount of plants and apologists can hide the foul stench from this festering steaming lump.<p> <p>I can switch off the first one's idiocy for the better action parts because that's why you would watch a Movie about Giant transforming Robots who kick the shit outof each other.<p> <p>But I trust the many, many reviews including Massa's far more than any of the few posters/plants parroting awesome! or trying to justify a blatant stereotype by sophistry or shooting the messenger.<p> <p>If this Movie is so colossaly stupid as to relegate the fighting Robots to a bit part in favour of Bay's pathetic attempts to be "funny" and idiotic "plotting" then there is no concievable reason to see it in the Cinema.

  • June 23, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    And just because a film isnt Oscar worthy doesnt mean

    by IndustryKiller!

    that it can be totally fucking garbage from beginning to end and have that be ok. Is there ANYTHING that these apologists wouldn't accept from this movie? ANYTHING at all?

  • June 23, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Like I said Tranny, MOST of T1 was improvised

    by IndustryKiller!

    I wonder how it makes guys like Kurtzman and orci feel when actors flat out cannot deliver their terrible dialogue?

  • June 23, 2009, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Wow, for a Transformers talkback...

    by pdennett316

    It got pretty fucking heavy in here with all the race talk. Frankly I'm not so bothered about the use of stereotypes (stereotypes generally have a ring of truth to them); it's the fact these lazy attempts at characterization are replacing actual, quality writing and characters. <p> I go back to Predator again (sorry), Hawkins was the least characterized of the group, yet he has more depth of character than the fucking Jar Jar twins. The fact that the most recognizable Transformer is put on the back burner in place of these little shits is mind boggling. <p> And Massa, when you're telling a guy to enjoy his pointed hat after he has been accused of racism, I'm pretty sure a case could be made for you tacitly supporting the claim.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    LOOK AT ME! I HATED TRANSFORMERS 2

    by lockesbrokenleg

    BUT I LOVED THE PROPOSAL BETTY WHITE IS SOOOO HOT!!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    BETTY WHITE

    by craptacular

    Could have been an old rusty robot stereotype, like fucking mater.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Crackfiji42...

    by pdennett316

    To be fair, it wasn't that they couldn't follow it, many said it simply made no sense or seemed cobbled together at the last minute.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Best review on AICN EVER

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    Michael Bay hasn't made ONE good film..He's fucking James Cameron, just without talent. That's why I love whenever he does something and people get hyped for it..I sit back..wait..and then laugh my shit off..He's a fucking Renny Harlan clone on steroids.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Betty White is so funny

    by mitortilla

    the should've made her a transformer.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    To be fair,

    by TedKordLives

    I think 'The Rock' is pretty solid (hehe). But even then you have to ignore the entirety of Bay's filmography, or else you'll realize he only has a couple of tricks that he trots out over and over again. Throwing more money at those tricks only makes them shinier, it doesn't make it new. <P> Again, I will lose respect for anyone supporting this 'movie'.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    This review bums me out but...

    by Jabroni

    like so many others, I have already purchsed tickets for Transformers. Infact I have tickets the Sunday AM show in IMAX. I really enjoyed the 1st one, and had incredible hopes for the second outing. As one of the rare Bay defenders. I enjoy his work for what it's worth. In his defense, when the studio focuses more on getting a release date for the sequel, before seeing a script, it's no wonder that this is loaded with problems. Why they couldn't take another year, or two to get something really good, this shows everything that is wrong with movies today. Like this review, I agree that storytelling is always taking a backseat to the bang, pow of something visually "cool" to look at. Sequels used to take at least 4 years to come out and that was an era when sequels never measured up. I am totally bummed out that this is being panned so heavily. I normally think the reviewers on AICN often times think they know everything, and come off as the deciders of what we should and shouldn't watch. But Massawyrm's review seems to highlight the biggest problem in rushing a moneymaking sage into production and leave the script to be written, "as they go". While I like mindless entertainment as much as the average summer moviegoer, it sounds like one of the most anticipated movies for me is going to be a dud. I guess I'll have to see The Hangover again to make up for this.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Betty White HOT sexy!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • June 23, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    I didn't think it was racist

    by mitortilla

    till' they started calling the bad guys the decepticoons.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I refuse!

    by TedKordLives

    I will not 'turn off my brain'. Ever. I need it to think, and stuff. Unless I'm drunk. Like, really drunk. Like, 'Oh shit where did that 12-Pack go' drunk. Then I'll turn off my brain and go to sleep. <P> Fuck this movie!

  • June 23, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm, I think you're mistaken

    by D.Vader

    The Steve Buscemi-bot (he sounds more like Buscemi than Pesci to me) did not say the "I'm getting too old for this crap." The old Transformer Jetfire said it. <p> Unless I missed it and BOTH bots said it.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    WTF is wrong with "LEFT CHEEK"?

    by D.Vader

    That's the stupidest criticism I've heard of the film.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Jesus was offended by the left cheek comment.

    by mitortilla

  • June 23, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Oof

    by Cobbio

    Thanks, Massa. I didn't see the first film but was thinking maybe I'd see this one.<p> Not anymore.<p> As of now, I won't even give it a second thought.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    I just want to turn on Larry King...

    by Kid Z

    ... and have my mine blown to bits of skull particles and brain matter by the inevitable Michael Bay Vs. Al Sharpton racial debate you all KNOW is coming!

  • June 23, 2009, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Jabroni -- Trade them for My Sister's Keeper....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....its not too late. And you'll feel a lot better about yourself afterward.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Cobbio = GOOD MAN.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 23, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, and by the way...

    by Kid Z

    ...we also all know they'll be picking chunks of Bay out of Sharpton's stool for weeks!

  • June 23, 2009, 6:54 p.m. CST

    I'll give BobOrci credit for wading in here...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...and being honest with us. Or at least posting and answering what he can. I might think TF was a hollow excuse for a cash-grab, but Bay gets what Bay wants, and I seriously doubt the majority of the blame for that lies with the writer. Orci gotta eat, man. Now go write us some Shakespeare, you hack.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    How is anyone surprised by this?

    by superfleish76

    It will probably make a billion dollars worldwide.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Spielberg is to blame

    by Relugus

    Tom DeSanto and Don Murphy are working on a Transformers film. DeSanto has took the time to watch the cartoons and read all the Transformers comics so he knows the source material. DeSanto and Murphy even consult Simon Furman. Then in comes Spielberg (whose knowledge of TF is based solely on his kids having the toys and him seeing bits of the cartoon), says it should not be about sentient robots, says "lets make it about a boy and his car" (ie the robot is his "pet"). Having already displayed his ignorance of the Transformers concept, Spielberg then decides to hire Michael Bay. Bay is not interested and knows nothing about TF, but Spielberg persuaded Bay to do the film, even knowing Bay was ignorant of the concept. Spielberg's first question when interviewing directors should have been "do you like the concept of Transformers? Which are your favourite characters?" Characterisation is actually central to the Transformers concept; Bob Budiansky envisioned the Transformers as "everymen", anthropomorphic pastiches of humans. Transformers without characterisation of the robots is not Transformers. The whole point is that they are sentient, and alot of the pathos and humour comes from how like us they are. The emphasis on the human characters is insulting, because it is based on the assumption we cannot empathise with the robots, even though the cartoon and comics clearly proved that we can. The wealth of characters and stories they have to draw on is immense and any filmmaker with passion and imagination could come up with something amazing. In particular the religious subtext of Transformers lore, surrounding Primus, is pure dynamite for any intelligent writer. The idea of robots, created by a God in his image (and I'd add that Primus, in one of the comic's most subversive twists, does not care much about his creations...imagine how the Christian fundies would react to THAT in a blockbuster movie) is a pretty amazing one because it challenges alot of our perception of robots and ourselves. I'll bet you Spielberg would have shot down any attempt to make a smart TF movie. But Spielberg could not give a shit about that, he wants a dumb TF movie, to fund his vanity projects and Oscar bids.

  • June 23, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I take it everybody who liked the Star Trek movie will see this.

    by I Hope You Die

    Since action movies can't be good or bad because they're just action movies. Only a complete dork would have a negative opinion of an action movie!

  • June 23, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    how is Spielberg to blame???

    by Six Demon Bag

    hes just an executive producer...hes not on the set everyday cramming notes up Bay coked-up ass.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    New Avatar pics......

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    http://tinyurl.com/nerkwz

  • June 23, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    6DB

    by TedKordLives

    Are you sure? Were you there?

  • June 23, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Where's Harry's analysis of Transformers ROTF

    by BDuncan

    I'm sure Harry's own analysis of the film will be equally as negative (if not more so) as Massa's savage attack, but it'd still be interesting to read. The same fucking lame hack writers of the recent crap Star Trek film scripted this, so what did people expect.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Relugus....that actually makes sense. And sounds plausible....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....and after Indy IV, I wouldn't put anything past that cocksucking motherfucker.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Rose tinted glasses

    by Galactica_cag

    Who really gives a shit? What we have is a movie based on an animated series that was produced to sell toys to kids. Bays raped my childhood bullshit! Its a movie about giant robots, lower your expectations. No director worth his salt would touch a franchise like this with a barge pole. I enjoyed it, as I did the first one.. giant nut jokes aside & those shitty twins... & I'm a huge fan since I was a kid. What the fuck do you want... Shakespeare? GIJoe though.... that's gonna suck a nut!

  • June 23, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Harold will go soft on this movie....watch.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    He was excited for it. He makes up his mind before he sees a film, and he already made up his mind he was going to like it. He'll write one of those famous Moriarty "I didn't like this film but I don't really have the balls to say so" reviews.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    How many more fuckwads have to say "What'dja want, Shakespeare?!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Seriously....get a new fucking line you spineless apologist cunts! Do you realize every single one of you repeats the same fucking thing over and over again?

  • June 23, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Spielberg was exec producer..

    by Six Demon Bag

    all they deal with is legal isues and the business side..they are in no way a part of any technical part of the film. <P><P>if, and IF spielberg came to the set and wandered around and gave his 60-something sagely advice, i really doubt Bay wouldve heeded it. they are a part of two different schools of filmmaking.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    D.Vader re: LEFT CHEEK!

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Calm down. I was bringing it up as evidence that even the most 'regular' black character had his own crazy moment which you didn't really see in say, Josh Dumel's character who had no similarly flipped out moment which seem pretty much reserved for the black characters. I was going to let the issue die, not being one to beat a dead horse, but since you asked... The "Left Cheek!" point was a very, very small addendum to the overall point and should not be taken as the central thrust of the critique which you seem to be taking it as. Relax.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    DGDB--in this economy

    by Six Demon Bag

    i only want gold baby..perfection. great obit by the way.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    no Anthony Anderson as the "scared negro"??

    by Six Demon Bag

    i guess he didnt make the cut.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Harry won't go soft

    by D.Vader

    I dunno. His last comments about the film were "The word I'm hearing isn't good..." <p> Remember, he said he was looking forward to GI JOE more than this.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    thanks BAY for making me lie to my son!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    i WAS gonna take him this weekend, but i think that coinstitues as child abuse.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    He will go soft. He proved his point with Wolverine...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....and Salvation. He will be afraid he is at risk of become a so-called 'Hater,' cause remember....he's supposed to be the guy that just loves movies! <p>And GI Joe will destroy Trans2. People will slowly start to admit it as the years pass and Joe has ridiculous replay value. <P>

  • June 23, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Ah, ok ZombieHeath

    by D.Vader

    I swear I had heard that criticism before in another TB (coulda been by you too) as evidence of a stupid black stereotype. I thought that's what you were going for there.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Btw, mitortilla

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Being a white person myself, I am not offended as whothefuckcares (who I'm guessing is black is). If there does exist racist undertones in Bay's work it's not directed at me therefore I cannot be offended by it, however when other non-AICN reviewers are referring to the twinbots as "Amos n Andy," this is obviously not a crackpot issue and something others are picking up on independently of one another all across the globe.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:28 p.m. CST

    My favorite part of Trans1 was fat guy going through the glass..

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...it was one of the only times I smiled, during that whole sequence with the cops busting in.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    No, this was my first mention of it, tho I agree I have seen it mentioned before in other TB's.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I dunno bout that Danny

    by D.Vader

    Everything revolving around JOE just looks so damn stupid. Both in logic and just all around dumbness.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Masa chill and calm down - its bad, but not as bad as you paint

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    It's a 5/10 movie, and its a complete mixed bag. <p> Some people are glass half empty, some are glass half full, Masa you are really caught up in the empty part. All of the negative stuff you say is very true, the twins for instance were so appaling bad, that I look forward to seeing a tech savy fanboy editing them out of this movie, in some edition. <p> But there are some decent parts, i.e. the forrest fight was well done, smaller scale, knew who was fighting, almost anytime Optimus is on screen, Soundwave was done well, Megan Fox.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    You all know how I feel about Transformers..

    by conspiracy

    but ya know what I really hate. I really hate thinking about the fucking party at Bays house this weekend when the retards add another 20 or so Mil to his bank account. I'd be surprised if they do not have an actual virgin sacrifice at that fucker..provided one can be found in LA.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    GI JOE will be forgotten like that one film..uh...

    by Six Demon Bag

    what was it called?

  • June 23, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi--50% not GOOD ENOUGH

    by Six Demon Bag

    sorry it needs to be better than that...why the fuck should i accept a film that is half-good???

  • June 23, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST

    funny how Bay is "done with transformers"

    by Six Demon Bag

    i think he's smarter than we give him credit for...he realized he's a bout to get sacked when this doesnt make what its expected...<P>also why he preemptively clashed with the studios "for not promoting it"...sure thats the reason it didnt do so well...i heard that when T4 came out..sing me another coked up lullaby.

  • June 23, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    no shit. I imagine Bay literally snowboarding down his man-made ski slope (like that hotel in Dubai) except Bay's is made of coke, the moguls are porn hooker asses sticking out of the coke and at the end is a small ramp that launches him headfirst into Megan Fox's gaping hole.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Dumbness of G.I. Joe

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    There is no film with a budget bigger than $500 that will feature anything half as dumb as the shit I've been reading about Transformers 2.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm - the question is "why did you stop..

    by jansona

    by to flap your gums?" Keep your POS reviews to yourself. Your obviously not a fan of 90% of the movies that get covered on this site, and it seems your only goal/purpose is to drop by and piss everybody off. - Go start your own site where you can talk about how you hate damn near every movie that rolls out.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    jansona

    by Massawyrm 1

    Just as I thought. You do care. I love you man. I haven't had an insipid, bullshit troll in a while and I was feeling unloved.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    The GI JOE clips I've seen don't make sense. They're dumb

    by D.Vader

    Like the bad guys shooting up an office building and scaring people and very loudly announcing "BAD GUYS OVER HERE!" in order to get to a very specific office in order to shoot a hi-tech missile at the Eiffel Tower. Logically, they're the stupidest bad guys ever. Just fire the missile from the same fucking helicopter you're using to escape in! <p> When it comes to Transformers, there aren't many of those kinds of glaring moments where everyone's been affected with stupid syndrome. You may think the overall idea of Transformers is stupid and the execution bad, but there are few moments like the one I described above.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    I nearly choked on my cornflakes..

    by The Dark Shite

    When he ranted about racism, then wrote the words "Sambot Jackasses". <p> I hope he means that as in "Bots that Sam found", otherwise, that's equally as fucked up as Bay's characters. <p> Oh & Massa, it would be easy for Bay to "suspend night so he can show every capitol of every country in the world bathed in daylight all at once". <p> Major cities of countries are called "Capitals" with an A. "Capitols" are buildings, housing a legislative assembly. They could make every capitol look like it's daylight by, oh I dunno, maybe switching the fucking lights on. Here endeth the lesson. You're welcome.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Jasona, Massa is the biggest populist on AICN

    by IndustryKiller!

    The guy even liked the unwatchable Hancock. HANCOCK!!!?? So keep your silly apologist ignorance to yourself.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    More clips from GI JOE

    by Continentalop

    Here are some more scenes from GI JOE that have just been released. <p> http://tinyurl.com/2c6hbu

  • June 23, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Vader-- its like complaining about a Bond villain.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Yeah....they're always stupid. So? Its a cartoony violence sort of world. Its like The Transporter. <p>

  • June 23, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    new term? BAYPOLOGISTS.

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    or did I already see that coined somewhere else?

  • June 23, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    FUCK YEAH. MEGAFORCE!!!!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 23, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Maybe, Danny, maybe

    by D.Vader

    But I never did see any of those movies. I'm all for dumb fun. Obviously, I fucking liked the Transformers movies. But with JOE, its just... stupid. Reminds me of the same stupid way characters acted in Heroes, just as a service of the plot, doing retarded things bc it led to something "cool" happening. <p> You and I should make a bet about this flick.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off..er NO..

    by The Dark Shite

    I told him the difference between Capitol & Capital, which technically doesn't make him "less wrong than me". <p> But jusging from your other posts, you seem to be his little cock bitch, so you just wanna say anything to protect him. When actually, I quite like his stuff & happen to mostly agree with his oprinion of the film. <p> I was simply informing him of the difference in meaning between capital & capitol. <p> Now fuck the Subtitles_Off.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:30 p.m. CST

    So The Dark Shite...

    by Massawyrm 1

    What your saying is that when Bay flashes around the world, showing the various CapitOl buildings...as he does in TF2...I would be correct in my spelling?

  • June 23, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Subtitles

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    Heh heh, different side of the coin, equally clever.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    DO NOT PAY TO WATCH THIS MOVIE!

    by Herb West

    Here is my review. <p> www.mymavra.com <p> Under no circumstances should anyone pay to see this movie. Everyone needs to boycott this piece of shit and tell others to do the same. It really is as bad as everyone says it is.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    But..

    by The Dark Shite

    That isn't what you meant though. <p> Technically, you can get away with that, in a Ron D. Moore ret-conning kinda way, like .."I meant Capitol buildings all along".<p> But morally, you would go to hell for such an evil trick.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite....AH!

    by Massawyrm 1

    So even when I'm actually right, I'm wrong. I see. =P

  • June 23, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    The problem with the JOE clip

    by Continentalop

    (The real one) from is that the entire attack on the Eiffel Tower is so obviously just a set up so they can have a fight and an encounter. I mean, it is the laziest of writing. <p> As for GI JOE, I fall under the "I want a more realistic GI JOE" camp. I am not asking for A THIN RED LINE or BAND OF BROTHERS, but give me RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARC and STARS WARS Episode IV & V level action. Shit, people forget that in ESB we had guys getting show with lasers, yeti monsters arms getting cut off, snow speeders getting stepped on with people inside them, and star ships getting blown up. Action and death, and it was still PG or PG-13.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Yeah.

    by The Dark Shite

    Because you're right by default of the fact that capitol buildings are in capital cities. <p> If you wanna get anal about it, to be 100% right, you have to play the movie & point out every single Capitol building in all of the scenes, without studying what they look like first. Which I'm sure you can't do. I couldn't.<p> Then & only then, can you say with 100% vindication, that you meant the buidlings. Even then, everyone would know you didn't:-). But you could get away with it on a technicality. <p> LIke a rapist without a cock.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Er Massawyrm's little bitch

    by The Dark Shite

    Movie-makers turn dark into light all the time, using lights, which they have to switch on.<p> Ret-con complete. Now get back on your knees, puddin head.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_off

    by The Dark Shite

    That isn't what he did at all. <p> He got the speeling wrong & that's all. He almost admitted as much in his tongue-in-cheek reply. <p> Only you are obsessing about it. Because you're a puddin head. <p> Anyway, I count one ret-con each. Technically we're equal, but my intitial post was the correct one. <p> Jesus, say what you like about Bob Orci, at least when I called him a hack the other day, he agreed with me. <p> He doesn't have his own little bitch as a wingman.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    MEGAFORCE!!!!!

    by darthSaul666

    This film screams torrent!!!!! All the way!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    & yeah, I wrote speeling.

    by The Dark Shite

    In a sentence about getting spelling wrong. Don't point it out. I'm on meds after having a heart attack a few weeks ago & my writing isn't great. <p> & mine doesn't change the context. You know, sometimes, people should just say "Oh yeah. You're right. I fucked up." It saves a lot of hassle. Even Optimus Prime himself says "My bad" ;-).

  • June 23, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    "Raiders of the Lost Arc"

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Good one.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    "LIke a rapist without a cock."

    by IndustryKiller!

    I laughed for about three straight minutes at that. Awesome.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    DarthSaul666

    by The Dark Shite

    I saw it in the cinema & I could barely make out some of the action. I can't even imagine how shit/unintelligible those scenes would be in a torrent filmed on a camcorder or something.

  • June 23, 2009, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Guys, guys, guys...

    by Massawyrm 1

    let's chill. Subtitles, let him go. There are better fights to be had. Dark Shite, you'll understand when you see TF2 and realize that there is a three shot of various national capitols all experiencing daylight despite being on opposite sides of the globe. Not the cities. The buildings. I was tongue in cheek about it because it's about the silliest god damned thing I can imagine arguing about today. Can't we get back to talking about robot genitalia and calling each pother gay...you know, the bedrocks of AICN talkback?

  • June 23, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Shit got real dumb here.

    by mitortilla

    Where's PeterGriffin we need some sanity back in this TB. some people just don't understand tongue in cheek humor.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Ok Massa..I agree..

    by The Dark Shite

    Now get back to sucking those robot balls. You big queer;-).

  • June 23, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Do we get to see Cybertron?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    One scene at least?

  • June 23, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Orci said something weird the other day..

    by The Dark Shite

    He said something like "I feel the haters' pain & I don't mean that sarcastically." <p> I wondered what he meant by that, I was busy calling him a hack at the time. The temptation was too great.<p> Could it be that he really agrees that the movie's a POS? I mean, after talking for a little while on the other thread, (during which he seemed to be a pretty nice guy & I felt bad for taking the piss), he left. <p> He only came back when someone asked him, who thought up the robot balls etc. He said it was Bay. <p> Considering the fact that he hadn't been posting for a while, but returned only for that, do you think he maybe does indeed feel our pain?

  • June 23, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    AVA-fucking-TAR footage shown!!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    bring it to me!!!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Not asking anyone to accept it, just commenting on balance and about sometimes how we can only see/focus on the negatives. <p> Some of my comments already on this movie have been scathing, the twins, the excess etc, we should never accept mediocre, especially with the budget he had. <p> But really it comes down to the type of film maker,the people they have around them and how open the film maker is to criticism. <p> I still believe some smart editing could make it a decent movie, well at least a fun one.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Subtitles_Off

    by The Dark Shite

    You have no idea how deep the shit is that you're wading into. You don't wanna be calling me a fucktard. <p> Even sick, even on meds, I can run rings around you mentally & verbally. <p> If that happens, remember one thing, I wasn't talking to you. You jumped into something that had nothing to do with you, like you did earlier to someone else, because you're Massa's new bitch. <p> Trust me, you wanna back off kid. Or it won't be Avatar fucking your eyeballs in 2009. It'll be the finger bone of your newly dead, yet still infinitely fuckable, Mother. The one she uses to wag at you & call you puddin head. <p> Except I'll be wearing her dress & shoving the aforementioned finger in your fucking eye.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Bay's world

    by Rommel Catuncan

    I think in Bay's world, *everything* is superficial, that includes ideas of other races/cultures, women etc.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    "sambots"

    by Magnum Opus

    This review gets a bajillion stars just for Masa's turn-of-phrase with the Sambo robots. That one word is funnier than this entire movie, which is roughly as enjoyable as going down a slide behind a naked dude who is shitting himself; the slide should be fun, but what you're witnessing is so fucking awful that you can't enjoy yourself at all. Plus you're covered in shit.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:26 p.m. CST

    AVATAR FOOTAGE!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    what did harvey dent say?<P> the night is always darkest before the dawn...thank you james...thank you for giving me hope again this weekend.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Your review doesn't mean jackshit.

    by darthsynn

    This movie will make a million billion zillion dollars.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    TF is just like Family Guy

    by Magnum Opus

    It's a great way to weed out imbeciles once someone admits to liking it.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:35 p.m. CST

    People praise the how much money it will make....

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    ..but can't list any positive aspects of the movie...well not any that can be taken seriously.<P>Do they work for Bay?<P> Work for Paramount? <P> Brainwashed fans who can't let go?

  • June 23, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Uhhh...

    by nicegoogly

    Isn't it worse that Bay does not even realize that he is being that insensitive? Is it the fact that the Bad Boys films involve black actors/characters that he has some sort of pass to do this? It is fuckin' juvenile to take a bunch of aliens and put a bunch of archetypes, stereotypes and illogical personalities on them. They are fuckin' robots. They don't need to be "readuhs." For fuck's sake, they shoot holograms out of their eyes "Help me Obi-Wan" style. Give them personalities, but they are not from this fuckin planet. Suspending disbelief is required for all films like this, but you don't have to suspend common sense. We know this movie is made to move some merchandise. Were they all at a brainstorming session when someone said "Look, we need to find our lowest common denominator here to keep the young kids' attention. Let's make at least two of the robots uneducated inner city minority youth. They will be robots, of course, so no one will really get that they are black." You have three or four hundred characters to pull from in the transformer universe, some that are voiced by black actors or meant to be a character that a black robot, but even the insipid cartoon didn't even make it painfully obvious that the character was black. There is disparate treatment and disparate impact. Bay has done both here.

  • June 23, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    My Toadkillerdog Balls are in this flick?

    by toadkillerdog

    Damn that Mavra Chang! She stole my Metallic balls and sold them to Mikey Bay! <p> Good thing they have homing device built in just like Iron Giant.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:02 p.m. CST

    So, Transformers should be called.......

    by closeencounter

    More of The Same, instead of Revenge of the Fallen. And Bay directed? WHY I'm I not surprised you thought so little of it? You didn't expected LESS than the original Transformers, did you? That's not Hollywood!!!!

  • June 23, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Magnum Opus

    by Herb West

    Man, that was fuckin brilliant. I think that's the best way anyone could ever describe this movie. Goddamned hilarious. You should do movie reviews.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    BAYFORMERS 2 DIVIDES THE TALKBACK COMMUNITY

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    It has its supporters, and its detractors. <P>

  • June 23, 2009, 10:11 p.m. CST

    SAMBOTS!??!!?!!

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    What next, a monkeybot that does nothing but sit on a porch? Fuck you Michael Bay. Fuck you indeed.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    MAGNUM OPUS I LOVED THAT ANAL-OGY

    by AyatollahSexyBack

  • June 23, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite...Don't feel bad about pissin on Orci..

    by conspiracy

    I'm sure he is a nice guy..But Fuuuuuck, the dude simply can't write a decent script.</p><p>I also saw that "feel your pain" line...and I'm sure Bay had his cock deep into this script...but this level of suckitude goes much farther than Ball on Robots and a mechanical dry humping Fox...this is ROOT level suckage..and for that Orci must take some of the blame.</p><p>So..don't weep for him, if for no other reason than he is hackish enough to write a script in which FUCKING Robots Piss and fart for which he was paid an income the size of a small countries GDP.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:15 p.m. CST

    JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU HOW JJ IS SIMPLY A SUPERIOR DIRECTOR

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    Despite some of Orci's silliness, JJ managed to inject a lot of humanity and tenderness into New Trek. Bay is incapable of overcoming a weak script, only amplifying it.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:19 p.m. CST

    i can see Bay overcompesating for Jazz

    by brokenheadstuff

    "they complained that i killed the only black robot the first time, so i'll give them TWO MORE, and they're EVEN BLACKER!!"

  • June 23, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Bob Orci....

    by Zandunga

    ...seemed to be hinting, two or three times, at the fact that he understood it was subpar product. He basically pointed towards the fact that as a writer in Hollywood, your control is severely limited by other people who are the true decision-makers. And he said he understood the complaints were, zero sarcasm. <p> Maybe because of the way it was rushed prior to the strike? Maybe the gaps were filled in by Bay and others? Who knows. Either way, Orci can't escape blame because his name is on this turd.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Soldout

    by Bladernner79

    My brother just called from a midnight showing he said eight theatres are sold out for , I'm not saying this is going to be a great film but after Harry's terminator and land of the last reviews I'm going to take every review on here with a grain of salt

  • June 23, 2009, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Wow..Comedy Gold.. racist terms for robots.

    by conspiracy

    Go!

  • June 23, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy

    by D.Vader

    Are you suggesting you *wouldn't* write a script that includes robot urination for a fee the size of a small country's GDP?

  • June 23, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Vader...Not at all..

    by conspiracy

    But at least I'd have at least TRIED to make something just a tiny bit more...classy.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:55 p.m. CST

    by Boborci

    Zandunga "...seemed to be hinting, two or three times, at the fact that he understood it was subpar product. He basically pointed towards the fact that as a writer in Hollywood, your control is severely limited by other people who are the true decision-makers. And he said he understood the complaints were, zero sarcasm. Maybe because of the way it was rushed prior to the strike? Maybe the gaps were filled in by Bay and others? Who knows. Either way, Orci can't escape blame because his name is on this turd."<p> You may be reading a bit much into my answers. I think I would elaborate to say that we truly feel for any fan that feels that a franchise that they love has been disrespected or done wrong.

  • June 23, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Let me tell you guys a little something about Bob Orci

    by IndustryKiller!

    A few weeks back him and I got into it about the problems in Star Trek. Now whether you liked the film or not (and I actually kinda did) it's got plot holes, conveniences, and devices up the fucking wazoo. I don't wanna argue about it because its a fact. Now I took him to task on some of these problem, most of which he didn't answer. BUT some people on the talkback were pissed about the Enterprise being built on Earth rather than a gravity vacuum in space, now its not a big complaint of mine but I thought I might take him to task on the continuity switch for my Trekkie friends.<P> His response was that after George Kirk died they, for some reason that seems inexplicable, rearranged the entire starship building process to build them in Iowa to honor George Kirk's memory. When I asked him if this was explained in the film he said no. When I replied that he can't just make this shit up after the fact and not explain it in the movie at all, he responded that I should have known because the salt shaker Kirk uses in the bar are shaped like the Starship Kelvin. When I asked if he was fucking seriously implying that salt shakers explain a large continuity shift he responded something like "Well next time I guess I can dumb it down for you." So not only did he come up with that completely asinine justification, he was fucking snooty about it. Feel bad for him all you want, but this is not a guy who gives shit 1 about storytelling, and he's rich for thinking that way. Trust me there are a lot better people who could use your pity in this town.<P><P><P>p.s. I also asked him if Spock Prime simply miscalculated when a supernova thousands of years in the making was going to destroy a planet and his response was basically "Yeah". So I'm just sayin this aint a rare thing with him.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Couldn't have timed that one better

    by IndustryKiller!

    He's just covering his bases guys, I think we all know EXACTLY what he meant.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:04 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by Massawyrm 1

    <p>"I don't wanna argue about it because its a fact." LOL! Seriously. Man. That was awesome. -wipes tears-</p> <p>To answer your Criticism in Star Trek, I thought it was self evident. With the advent of the attack and destruction of a Starship, Starfleet became more directly militarized and their mission less focused upon exploration, their focus more upon defense against unknown hostile threats...like giant fucking Romulan ships of unknown origin. That's not to say that is Orci's actual answer - but that's how it appeared to me and those I've spoken with.</p>

  • June 23, 2009, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Orci, you already copped to BumblePEE...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    ...being your idea. Did you ever even watch a single episode of TRANSFORMERS? You got NOTHING right. NOTHING. Everything got 're-imagined' 'coz y'know your such a fucking genius and everything canon that stood the test of time and created the audience that got the film greenlighted in the first place just wasn't as good as what YOU could come up with, right? Fuck that nobody Gene Roddenberry, too, right? Who are they to stand up to your staggering intellect that dreams up robots that piss and fart and hump legs? Paul Shrader's got NOTHING on you, dude. I'm starting to think you probably scripted Shia's, "Nononononono,"'coz y'know you are just THAT high a level of wordsmith. May I repeat my request that you please find the highest building you can and promptly throw yourself off of it?

  • June 23, 2009, 11:10 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by Boborci

    Not how I remember the conversation, exactly. Attack changed history... that's it. Nothing more complicated than that. So some things CHANGED, like where the Enterprise was built.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST

    So wait Massa

    by IndustryKiller!

    Because a ship appeared out of nowhere in a far away reach of space they switched up the entire ship building process to build them on Earth instead? I don't see that happening. It's not like the Kelvin was destroyed in mid-construction or anything. Moreover how did they even get the ships into space without any kind of evident launching mechanism? Look, we could go back and forth like this but the point is it was clearly all done so Abrams could have a cheesy shot of Kirk looking at the ships and doing an "I'm seeing my destiny for the first time and IT. IS. GLORIOUS!!" Skywalker-esque thing. There is no actually justification from a storytelling perspective that is universally obvious. GAH! Why am I arguing about this?? It really isn't even close to being one of my biggest complaints about the film.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Bob...I actually PAID to see Star Trek..

    by conspiracy

    As promised I stole that Fucker right off TPB...watched it..considered it "ok" and then went out and padded your coffers. No..it wasn't good, the script was it's weakest link..but I was entertained enough to give you my share of your Ferrari payment.</p><p>But this shit...Balls...On...a...fucking...ROBOT! For Fucks sake man...whats WRONG with you? Are you emotionally and mentally stunted or something? Do you get your writing gigs based on directors pity and some Federal EEOC guidelines regarding the employment of the mentally handicapped? I mean damn guy...robots humping the leg of some girl? That alone is all kinds of god damned stupid!</p><p>I know you are just the writer, and can claim your hands were tied...but that dickweed Bay got these FULL RETARD ideas from somewhere, or at least bounced them off you...Lord knows he isn't THAT fucking stupid all on his own...is he?

  • June 23, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I swear to God we went at it about salt shakers

    by IndustryKiller!

    Trust me the argument became about salt shakers. Seriously, it was, like, a THING with us. The salt shakers. Which probably makes us bad people.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    by Boborci

    ""Moreover how did they even get the ships into space without any kind of evident launching mechanism?"<p> Or to rephrase your question, how did they get their flying ship to fly? Do they build the space shuttle in space? Certainly the Enterprise is as advanced as the Space shuttle, no?

  • June 23, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Most entertaining review I've read all year!

    by AJD_1

    Kudos, Sir! Kudos.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by Boborci

    "I mean damn guy...robots humping the leg of some girl? That alone is all kinds of god damned stupid!"<p> I agree that the that particular robot should behave better. But he is a bad, bad robot.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    You wanna see writing Bob...Scroll on up and read my take...

    by conspiracy

    You just wish you had such a fertile imagination. I created a more vivid characterization in 10 minutes between phone calls and paperwork than you did with 24 months of dedicated work and an entire back catalog of characterization at your disposal.</p><p>Tell me I'm not spot on in my treatment of Bay and this project.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Orci, you were snooty when we spoke as well,

    by BillyMayesHere

    you did a solid job with Trek - how you shit the bed with Transformers baffles me... At the end of the day, you really don't care.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    only naughty robots hump legs

    by Boborci

    and some of the robots in this movie are very very naughty

  • June 23, 2009, 11:22 p.m. CST

    BillyMayesHere

    by Boborci

    snooty? How come I have to be all prim and proper -- this is a talkback section, right. Am I not allowed to join in? What is this fucking CNN or something?

  • June 23, 2009, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Nope, im not a troll Massawyrm

    by jansona

    Had this one and only user name for 5 years or so, just never got the itch to post in here. I was just simply stating my opinion - that you are a tool. I spoke my opinion, now I can go back to reading useful and worth while reviews

  • June 23, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    As for the building Starships on Earth..I give Bob a Pass.

    by conspiracy

    as obviously any civilization that can produce gravity (as we see inside the starships)can use the same technology to nullify it planet side...meaning that the movement of mass is a non-issue.</p><p>Still...it looks a lot cooler, and makes more sense given the potential planetary lethality of something like anti-gravity propulsion to make it off planet.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    AHA! I found the Shaker-Gate convo

    by IndustryKiller!

    Too early for a "gate" suffix? Anyway here is just a snippet to prove it did happen:<P><P>Boborci:"And if you notice the Salt shaker in the diner, it is clearly the KELVIN, but perhaps that was too subtle for you. Will try to dumb it down more next time."<P><P>IndustryKiller:"As for building ships on Earth, a salt shaker?? I'm supposed to assume salt shaker = George Kirk Memorial Shipyard?"<P><P>Boborci: "The salt shaker thing is a layer to be discovered by those who care. With or without it, the story works"

  • June 23, 2009, 11:26 p.m. CST

    This is pointless...

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    "I agree that the that particular robot should behave better. But he is a bad, bad robot." That answer is beyond gay. If a talkbacker were to post that here they'd be torn a new one by EVERYONE. Your responses demonstrate that you live in your Hollywood ego bubble and you are completely out of touch and that is reflective in your work and one of the reasons why TRANSFORMERS 2 is getting universally panned including the woodshedding Masswyrm gave it here. I'm going to bed...

  • June 23, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    hhaha the snooty thing is funny

    by IndustryKiller!

    I meant that more as a joke cause, I mean, who says "snooty"? No believe you me I appreciate insults flyin fast and furious.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Anti-Gravity=Antimatter...sorry wine hitting home.

    by conspiracy

  • June 23, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    ZombieHeathLedger

    by Boborci

    Out of touch? Maybe. But you have to understand that I know that hating Michael Bay and his movies is it's own cottage industry. Good night.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Orci you just have to challenge someone...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...to a wrestling match. Then you'll have earned your talkback credibility.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:34 p.m. CST

    correction -- "its own"

    by Boborci

  • June 23, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    BOB, I DEFENDED YOU FOR NEW TREK

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    but you're on your own here. Bayformers is indefensible. I suggest you stick with JJ if you want a half-respectable career.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay Racist? Yeah, probably.

    by Mockingbuddha

    The sad thing is he probably thinks he's keeping it real or some shit. I noticed in the first movie, which only had three black characters, that two of them cussed out their matriarchs. I think one was a mom and the other a grandma. And the only Autobot that died acted black, and not in a dignified way. It makes me sad that out of all the people involved in this movie, not one of them could talk some sense into this guy. Everyone shares the blame. Mike is only one man.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    AND DON'T YOU DARE GET SNOOTY WITH ME

    by AyatollahSexyBack

  • June 23, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Hating Michael Bay...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...is so much more than just an industry. It's a way of life. A rejection of mediocrity. A WILD EYED, PASSIONATE EMBRACING OF FEAR!

  • June 23, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    downloading this right now

    by animas

    I don't think a script can be worse than Star Trek but I will be taking notes. I have never cringed more at dialogue than with Trek, so TF2 might have an advantage since there will be less talking.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Read Garth's Review On Dark Horizions

    by knowledge1027

    Then Keep Lying To Yourself That Mass IS wrong.Every critic sees the blatant racism.Its right in front of our eyes..

  • June 23, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE RACIST UNDERTONE

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    Was that really necessary, Bob?

  • June 23, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    24% on the tomatometer...need i say more

    by knowledge1027

  • June 23, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Oh one more thing The Hurt Locker

    by knowledge1027

    Is 95% on the tomatometer...Guess which one i'll be seeing this weekend

  • June 23, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    THAT WAS A SALT SHAKER?!?!?!

    by AyatollahSexyBack

  • June 23, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    WHATS THE HURT LOCKER?

    by AyatollahSexyBack

  • June 23, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    MY SISTER'S KEEPER IS AT 100%

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    I like Jason Patric and the trailer made me verklempt.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    gold teeth

    by Choo

    Who is Bay stereotyping when you see robots with gold teeth who can't read?

  • June 23, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    THE HURT LOCKER LOOKS GOOD

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    I guess Kathryn Bigelow knows how to do explosions right.

  • June 23, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST

    has orci ever explained

    by animas

    how he and kurtzman keep getting jobs? I seriously need to know.

  • June 24, 2009, midnight CST

    The one thing that bothers me

    by knowledge1027

    The golld tooth is just stupid...mybe mike thought it's still cool and hip.But why the hell did they throw in that they cant read.Is mike racist or a bi-product of the dumbing down of a generation of young people of all colors

  • June 24, 2009, midnight CST

    The one thing that bothers me

    by knowledge1027

    The gold tooth is just stupid...maybe mike thought it's still cool and hip.But why the hell did they throw in that they cant read.Is mike racist or a bi-product of the dumbing down of a generation of young people of all colors

  • June 24, 2009, 12:01 a.m. CST

    MARLON WAYANS IS THE SAMBOT IN G.I.JOE

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    This is not a good summer for black people.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST

    DAMN YOU ENTER KEYYYYY!

    by knowledge1027

  • June 24, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Yeah Hurt Locker looks pretty good

    by Series7

    So did The Kingdom, but that was only ok.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    bob, its cool of you to come here and receive feedback

    by ironic_name

    but I don't think I can take the explosionfest. sorry.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Has Bay been asked about the twins yet ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Given his arrogance, wouldn't imagine that he will give a great answer on that.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    God people can go over the top!

    by CeejayNightwing

    I'm Black, I watched it and it was great fun! The twins ere streetwise, NOT BLACK! And that's how these young idiots on the "streets" talk these days so it was a good send-up. When Jazz used street for his dialect in the first movie, nobody called it racist. When Jazz in the cartoon was played by a black guy and spoke in 70's semi-jive, nobody called it racists! Now we have a pair of robots talking like modern day street kids and its suddenly racist? Sorry but as a black man I reject that, go look up the meaning of the word and try to explain how it applies here!

  • June 24, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    ironic_name

    by Boborci

    no worries -- you can catch it on an airplane sometime!

  • June 24, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    CeejayNightwing

    by Boborci

    God bless you!

  • June 24, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Man I want to see this

    by Adelai Niska

    If I had seen this I would be able to join in the talkback "The real actual fucking writer showed up here, holy shit" fest. I will say that I liked TF1, hated The Island, and thought the first 3 seasons of Alias were solid gold. If this movie has a moment as cool as Starscream attacking the jets in TF1 I'll be OK with the rest of it.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Adelai Niska

    by Boborci

    Fair enough!

  • June 24, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST

    I'll probably get the blu ray, that way I can turn it down

    by ironic_name

    the explosion porn of bay movies really gives me a migraine. but I did just watch simon west's very baylike con air, and that was actually a lot of fun. <P> maybe if I wear earplugs.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Bob - do you read the reviews ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    And also can you read Harry's comments about the writing and answer whether he is on the mark or not ? <p>

  • June 24, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Holy shit! Orci was a part of Alias?

    by ironic_name

    good work, man!

  • June 24, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I miss all the good stuff.

    by The Dark Shite

    I leave for a few minutes & Borci shows up. <p> Oh & Subtitles_Off, I wasn't talking to you. You're a brown-nosing cunt & a fucking idiot. <p> Do you know, I pity smart Americans? Wanna know why? 'cause stupid Americans like you are fucking annoying!Because the poor fuckers have to deal with cocksuckers like you. <p> You say nothing, yet make an argument, don't come even close to winning it (because you can't), lack any form of with or intelligence, then proclaim yourself the winner. <p> Despite. Winning. Fuck. All. <p> My post (which wasn't even important by the way, until you got involved by being a little suck up), still stands. The difference between capitol & Capital still stands & is not a spelling mistake, but a mistake of context. <p> If I'm gonna read a review, I wanna know that basic things are correct. It's important, so I can trust the review. Like the AICN donunder guy, who called the film "Rise of the fallen". How can I trust the review if he can't get the name right? <p> Capitol/Capital isn't so important (you made it so by volunteering to be Massawyrms arse bitch, humiliating yourself in the process). But if you're gonna write a review, write it properly, that's my view, so I mentioned it, briefly. <p> You've got some Massawrym jizz on your chin. No, not that chin, the one underneath it. Cunt.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy.. Good Post

    by darthSaul666

    You got your porno letters writing down.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi

    by Boborci

    I do, I read everything.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Seriously, WTF is Bob Orci doing here?

    by Continentalop

    Jesus Christ man, how pathetic are you to come trolling around here to talk about your movie? I'm only here because I am stuck at home doing my wash. But you, fuck, you could go out and do something fun on a Tuesday night, or go score some coke and use that to score some stripper. <p> Fuck, Hollywood is wasted on guys like you. You make me sick...

  • June 24, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Industry Killer.... One poit about the supernova

    by darthSaul666

    Romulan and Federation are enemies since day one... Misleading till the 11th hour is rather true to form... Even that aspect is reflected in Nero going down a black hole in the movie..... The more I post on this site the more I realize many of you have never seen.. ILSA:SHE WOLF OF THE SS

  • June 24, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    I used to like this site.

    by The Dark Shite

    If I ever had a disagreement with someone, it was usually intelligent. Even if it turned nasty, the sarcasm & intellect in the little duels was fun. I'd even congratulate my opponents on a good one-liner or be congratulated by them.<p> Ever since the other week, when I posted about my heart condition & that my spelling etc was a bit shit, it's like I'm being stalked by fuckwits. <p> I'm still winning, but they piss me off. They're so lacking in self awareness to the point where they make the kind of point a 10yr old could make. No wit or intelligence or anything, just normal statements. But they think it's genius so they then congratulate themselves on it. <p> It bores the fuck out of me. Where's the sport in fighting idiots? It's like racing Stephen Hawking down the street.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    meant point...meant to say point

    by darthSaul666

    Don't tempt my SLAYER fandom!!!

  • Did he even see this movie before it was put out there? Bay I can understand - but SPIELBERG?????

  • June 24, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Continentalop..he comes here to feed his ego...

    by conspiracy

    He'd rather come here and be abused by us than go out and face the fact nobody outside Hollywood insiders would recognize him.</p><p>Here...he is Bob Orci...writer of films we love to hate; out there in the real world he just another douchbag trolling for underage runaways on Hollywood Blvd. in a leased Aston Martin.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Bob was just spotted trying to promote a movie he produced

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Roberta please go back to Don Murphy, TFW2005.com, Screen Rant, or Trekmovie.com.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Boborci

    I am indeed pathetic, but I am understandably curious as reactions trickle in on opening night.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Trannyformers_Apologist

    by Boborci

    "Roberta please go back to Don Murphy, TFW2005.com, Screen Rant, or Trekmovie.com."<p> I'll be there, too.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    My salt shaker..

    by The Dark Shite

    Brings all the Romulans to the yard.

  • June 24, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    conspiracy -- a good theory

    by Boborci

  • June 24, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite... You tried the RetroJunk?

    by darthSaul666

    Dude man... I saw threeveing w/ Kevin Smith a little while ago. The ignorance and shit is legendary in these talkbacks. Go find a site where negativity is at a low....

  • June 24, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Boborci...curiosity my ass, you knew we'd despise this..

    by conspiracy

    It is one thing to sit in anonymity and gauge reaction to a mean spirited joke, quite another to stand in the middle of the room of of strangers you just insulted, scream "I did it" and beg them to hit you harder.</p><p>Really dude...stop hanging out with Shia and Bay..that fuckin Coke has relieved you of common sense.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    My post was tongue-in-cheek Bob

    by Continentalop

    But still, why post anything? You can still gauge people's reactions without letting your presence known? Doesn't your appearance here kind of ruin any chance for real honest criticism or reaction? <p>

  • June 24, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by Continentalop

    Never, ever put down the use of cocaine. If anything, Bob needs to use more coke or start using it. <p> Cocaine = the 70s, greatest period of film ever. Scorsese, Friedkin, Schrader, Coppola, Robert Altman, DePalma...they were all coked up. And thank God for that.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Continentalop

    by Boborci

    "But still, why post anything? You can still gauge people's reactions without letting your presence known? Doesn't your appearance here kind of ruin any chance for real honest criticism or reaction?"<p> Does it? I don't see a lot of ass kissing around here. But you're right that I use it to harden my skin as a kind of exercise.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Greatest thing to happen to AICN

    by Adelai Niska

    BobOrci is like a bazillion times cooler than scriptgirl. The very idea of a the writer of a $200 mil movie in the talkbacks DURING the midnight release? Insanity. And once again, I just gotta give the props for Seasons 1-3 of Alias. can anyone tell me if Fringe is any good? Havent watch it at all.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Darthsaul666

    by The Dark Shite

    I don't mind the negativity. I cause a lot of it! <p> I just like my negaticity a bit smarter than some of the dumb fuckers who show up lately.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Bob Orci sounds like..

    by The Dark Shite

    The name of a puppet on a kid's TV show. <p> TV Presenter: "Do you think Bob Orci is here today kids? Shall we open the box & see? Ok..let's have a look!" <p> "Ah! There he is! Hello Bob Orci!" <p> (Bob Orci waves puppet hand) <p> "What are you doing today Bob Orci? <p> (Whispers)<p> Oh, you're counting?? <p> (Nods head & whispers) <p> "Counting your money??" <p> (Nods head)<p> "What else are you counting Bob Orci?" <p> (Whispers) <p> "Shit hack job movies about giant Robots??" <p> (Nods Head) <p> "I know, let's all count together..you can join in at home too, if you like".<p> "One...................Two. Two shit hack job movies about giant Robots! Yay" :-).

  • June 24, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Bob Orci, I am not wearing any pants right now.

    by mitortilla

  • June 24, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Boborci...Harden your skin?!?

    by conspiracy

    What...you are expecting worse from us in the future? Don't tell me you have so little confidence in yourself and your abilities you can not foresee a time in the future someone might actually PRAISE you.</p><p>Christ man..get some self confidence...it'll help your writing.</p><p>And Cocaine is the wrong drug for Bob in his current state...It helped those guys because they were good and imaginative writers/directors to begin with; Bob isn't quite there yet....giving Bob coke would just send him into a fucking panic attack. I recommend LSD Bob...or if in LA try some PCP, you can score that shit down by the nearest Zankou chicken....who knows maybe running around Glendale naked at 3am with a chicken stuck on your dick my help you get some fresh ideas.</p><p>Dry humping robots...ha.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Bob Orci, can I send you a script I've been working on?

    by mitortilla

  • June 24, 2009, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Bob

    by Continentalop

    Bob -you don't mind if I call you Bob right? - Bob, it might not seem like there is any ass kissing but you can't say for certain that your presence hasn't changed the tone of this TB. Who knows how many people might be biting their tongues because you are here, or maybe being extra vicious because you showed up. <p> As for using it to harden your own skin as a kind of exorcise, I am saying you are a masochist or else full of shit. <p> Personally, I think you came here to gloat because your film is going to do gangbusters despite what the opinion here is. And actually there is nothing wrong with that. You are like a liberal Democrat on a bunch of Conservative Republicans on the day Obama got elected, laughing at our impotent nerd rage. <p> C'mon Bob. You can tell me, that is the truth isn't it? I won't hold it against you if it is. I'm just curious.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST

    the LAST THING I am here to do...

    by Boborci

    ...is gloat, but I'm not going to shrink either.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Bob..Got a Great idea for TF3!

    by conspiracy

    Trannyformers! Come on..you've gone step-n-fetch it/gowld toof/humping/pissing/farting/crying robots far..wy not pitch it right over the fucking cliff next time...think about it.</p><p>Trannyformers...guy dressed in disguise; Trannyformers...Surprise between the thighs.</p><p>Tell me that idea won't launch Bay into orbit and tap into a whole new demo to sell mediocrity too.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Dude... you proudly proclaim your devotion to the worst director

    by Citizen Sane

    You praise his moviemaking sans story-telling and yet your biggest complaint is that there is no story. What did you really expect from a narcissistic hack who owes his career to his giant, swinging cyber-phallus (and to hack-producer Bruckheimer taking all of it).

  • June 24, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Dark Shite...I can empathise

    by darthSaul666

    The lack of intelligent critique I can definitely understand. Got a lot of that in the STINO talkback.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Roberto San, I'd like to know your target audience..

    by The Dark Shite

    I mean, the way I see it, there are aspects of the characters that are great. Mainly the bits that resemble the characters that have existed for what now? Over 25 years or so? <p> What possible justification is there, for having the characters so things like "Punk-ass Decepticon"? Really? <p> That kinda stuff isn't aimed at the fans, who find it offensive, so who is targeted at?<p> & you know what? It's a shame. I was watching the forest fight scene & I thought to myself "This could be a fucking great film, if they cut out all the shit & added more of this stuff." It really is a shame.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    You are a better man than me, Bob

    by Continentalop

    I am not ashamed to admit if I made a movie that split opinion as much as Transformers 2 but it still was going to make tons of money I would be here gloating all the way. Fuck, I would laugh and mock DGDB and Stuntcock Mike, and insult conspiracy and D. Vader until my fingers were numb with pain from typing.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    HOw could you shrink?! You made 7 figures...

    by conspiracy

    selling something you probably tossed off over a weekend. If I had gotten someone to pay me that kinda money in return for even Lucas would be embarrassed to call his own I'd be fucking proud as fucking punch.</p><p>I'll say this...if you ever get tired of punching out scripts you'd make a hell of a used car salesman.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:27 a.m. CST

    In light of STINO.....Azimov was troopin

    by darthSaul666

    Had some good points but kept going like the AIC song the Rooster.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    I think we should have an "Ask Orci" section here..

    by The Dark Shite

    Every week. <p> "Dear Bob, everytime I watch Star Trek, the lens flares make my cock bleed. Do I have Leprosy?".

  • June 24, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Just ingore him and he loses all of his power

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    and will fade away. <P>What he is doing here? <P>Answering questions about his movies?<P> Try to promote a movie he produced?<P> Any questions about the quality of his scripts will be answered either in a vague manner, not at all.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    And with that...I bid you all a good night.

    by conspiracy

    As always...it was a riot.</p><p>You too Bob, it isn't personal, you are probably a nice guy and if you try REAL HARD, and keep at it...someday, when you sell out enough to never have to work again... you'll surprise yourself and find a real artist in that void of creativity that currently fills your skull.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:31 a.m. CST

    saw TF:ROTHF

    by darthSaul666

    My favorite part was JetFire!!! actually philosophically true to the character in the cartoon!!!! Want to see the movie with good audio to see if it holds up!!!!

  • June 24, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Jetfire is second to Optimus..... I grew up on G1

    by darthSaul666

    His character was the only one with some catharsis. I feel the need to see if verified in the right sense

  • June 24, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Kudos Mr. Orci....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I sincerely have to commend you for coming into this TalkBack and interacting with us in a reasonable and even humorous manner in spite of the beating you and the movie have been getting.<p> I dunno if you're aware of the ridiculous manner in which Don Murphy was acting during the run up to the first movie, it got so bad he got himself banned from a major TF website because of his over the top abuse of the fans. (I was one of those fans, and if I'm honest, at least some of the vitriol I express towards these films probably stems from those confrontations)<p> So kudos to you sir, you seem to give as well as you take, and that, in my experience, is a rare thing in Hollywood.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    thanks, Hairy Nutsack

    by Boborci

    and good night, conspiracy... after this movie, I have nothing more for you this summer so until next time.

  • June 24, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Trannyformers sounds good for the 3rd movie

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    They already had a Decepticon giving Sam a lap dance. <P> How about robot torture porn<P>Fox can get dressed up and torture robots by burning their eyes with a blow torch ... while other Decepticons tentacle raped Sam.<P> Bumblebee give golden showers ....

  • June 24, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    NOW I HAVE TO SEE THIS MOVIE! :D

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    I wasn't going to, but after reading Massa's hand-wringing kvetching about how un-PC this film is, it's pretty much become a MUST-SEE for me! Thank ya, Massa suh! :D

  • June 24, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    I think it's good he's here..

    by The Dark Shite

    It means if he's involved with the next movie, maybe he can take people's concerns into account.<p> Or maybe he'll just take the money. <p> I suppose a lot depends on if his steroid & coke infused, Army worshipping, Casting couch staining, megalomaniacal, super Human overlord, Emperor Bay really does walk away from it. I fucking hope so! <p>

  • June 24, 2009, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Actually, I got a question for you Bob

    by Continentalop

    I will be upfront, I am not a fan of your work, but that is mostly because you work in genres I don't really like. I am sure that will keep you up late tonight when you read that. <p> However, my question for you is what were the types of film you wanted to make when you first got into the business? What films inspired you to get into the business? And would you say that Transformers fits that same criteria? <p> I know it is unlikely that you would say you are only doing this for the movie, wether it is true or not (for all I know making a giant robot movie has been your life long dream), but I am curious if this is the type of stuff you set out to make, or if you are "forced" to work on this type of stuff because that is the way Hollywood works now (only blockbusters are getting financed nowadays).

  • June 24, 2009, 1:50 a.m. CST

    That always makes me laugh...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...when someone calls me out by "name." I mean, do you think Roberto Orci ever thought in a million years he'd thank a hairy nutsack?<p> **pats self on back for giving self such a stupid name**<p> I did mean every word though Bob! And since I'm in ass kissing mode, I REALLY liked Star Trek. And while I didn't make a specific connection between the shipyard and George Kirk, it was a simple enough conclusion that changes had occured because of the altered timeline. (I did however notice the Kelvin salt shaker, nice touch there actually)

  • June 24, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Get to work, Orci..

    by The Dark Shite

    "Yessum Mr. Bay! Don't whoop me now, I's a good boy."

  • June 24, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    is Orci still here?

    by Adelai Niska

    It just occured to me to ask about his involvement with WATCHMEN. If you're still around- what/how much did you do?

  • June 24, 2009, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Adelai Niska

    by Boborci

    We did the final re-write. Kind of a polish, mostly putting back some of the lines from the graphic novel and a few other little things.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Dark Shite... Your on my good side but...

    by darthSaul666

    If I read another lens flare quip I will give you a PANTERA death metal explosion!!!! Scientifically if you shine a flashlight in an hermetically sealed tin can, like a theoretical starship? What do you get? FUCKING LENS FLARING... I SWEAR THAT FUCKING HATE GRIPE WILL MAKE ME INVENT A FUCKING VIRUS or something....

  • June 24, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    You're still there..

    by The Dark Shite

    But ignored a bunch of people's questions? That's not cool. <p> I'm thinking of questions like mine: "What was your target audience for this movie?"<p> Or Continetalop's : "what were the types of film you wanted to make when you first got into the business?" <p> I mean, I realise that Conti's might make you cry, if you had intentions of doing something cool & somehow ended up scrambling for crumbs at the feet of a cunt like Bay.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Lens Flare is just a visual trend.

    by mitortilla

    Don't think too much into it, the dark knight had plenty of it. Yet people don't seem to care until conan tells a joke about it.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    DarthSaul666

    by The Dark Shite

    I actually liked the lens flare. & the movie. The joke was the "Ask Orci" section, the rest was just me talking shit:-).

  • June 24, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Well, I can't speak for Bob Dark Shite

    by Continentalop

    But I doubt he has ever sold out as much as i have. I use to write Skinemax movies for fuck sake. I don't have any leg to stand on in criticizing Bob's resume. <p> If you did sell out more than me Bob, how much of One Cup + Two Girls was your idea?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Questions for you Bob re:BSG...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I'm an extremely singleminded, dedicated fan of Battlestar Galactica so I have to know, are you fan as well?<p> Edward James Olmos makes it a point to work with Latino/Hispanic people, any involvement with him on anything?<p> (these questions are for me and MNG, the rest of you can piss off)

  • June 24, 2009, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Light defusion....Anyone???

    by darthSaul666

    The punk in me has to ask to ask "are you the fucking stupid?"

  • June 24, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by Boborci

    "What was your target audience for this movie?"<p> Our target was fans of the last movie. But in general, we don't think in terms of target audience, but more in terms of what's natural to the franchise.<p> Or Continetalop's : "what were the types of film you wanted to make when you first got into the business?"<p> When we first got in, we thought we'd be doing little independent movies like Sex, Lies, and Videotape, but as a kid I wanted to make Spielberg type movies like Raiders, ET, Back to the Future, etc...

  • June 24, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    I meant " that"

    by darthSaul666

    Or am I that fucking stoopid?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:09 a.m. CST

    hahaha who wrote defusion? that's funny shit.

    by mitortilla

  • June 24, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack - LOVE BSG

    by Boborci

    Would love to work with Mr. Olmos.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    So the consensus on this movie is that it is shit, right?

    by Continentalop

    I really can't imagine it being good. I have yet to see anything by Michael Bay that I like. I know some guys go nuts for him, but I am a firm believer in what Von Ellstein said in The Bad and the Beautiful, that a film can't be all climaxes. That is a sign of a bad director (something I consider Bay to be).

  • June 24, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Dark Shite... You good

    by darthSaul666

    Nice!!! I totally dig your attitude.. I will re-read your post so I don't miss the usual 1/3 of what's being said. RIGHT NOW. Then another Dartheweiser!!!

  • June 24, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Bob - Creative Control, Fringe v TF2

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    How much direction and control did you have with something like TF2 compared to say Fringe. Watching Fringe and seeing TF2, Fringe comes across as well written, whereas as others have pointed out TF2 is clearly lacking. <p> With TF2 is it a case of Bay or a producer, saying you need to include dogs humping, robots humping someone's leg or Sam's mom high on pot brownies or is at actually you guys coming up with it, and do you have any say, i.e. "Sorry Michael Devestator's scrotum is where we draw the line"

  • June 24, 2009, 2:19 a.m. CST

    To be fair..

    by The Dark Shite

    I haven't seen much "natural" in the franchise at all. <p> There's nothing natural about the characters, because their personalities keep switching from the ones we recongise to your own creations & they don't gel.<p> Then you have your scenes, which also aren't natural. Even from the start of the first movie, it was pretty much writer's 101 stuff. <p> For example, you have a bunch of soldiers in a helicopter, each one kind of a cliche. One of them mentions his kid, one of them talks Spanish & talks about his mother, the one with the kid is specifially referred to as "Captain", just to hammer the point home that he's the one in charge. It was fast, cliched exposition. There to suit a movie that requires exposition, but lacks the time for it.<p> Why? Because the kind of people who'll mainly go to see it, lack an attention span. So a lot of the scenes are very inorganic. Not natural at all & it continues in that style all the way through. <p> You love BSG (one of the best shows ever) & you don't mind writing for a Bay movie? Fuck me, it must be for the money.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Continentalop - Consensus

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Currently 22% on RT. <p> Saw it last weekend, 5/10 kind of movie I think, there are some good parts, especially for people who were fans of the cartoon, there are some appaling bad parts. For the reviewers that have no connection with Tranformers, think its a 2/3 out of 10, for most think its somewhere between a 4-6 out of 10. Certainly not good by anyone's measure when you think about the amount of money involved. But being as cynical as I am, from a studio perspective its all about the bottom line.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Massa.....why doesn't this Orci have a black box yet?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 24, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Boborci

    Don't want one.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    The Dark Shite, in Bob's defense

    by Continentalop

    Do you realize how much money the writer of a big Hollywood blockbuster get's paid? Shit, movies have been made about people killing their spouses for probably a fourth of what he got for Transformers. <p> Nothing wrong with selling your soul out for Transformers level money. You can always use it to buy or lease a new soul.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Ya know what, I found it entertaining

    by YackBacker

    It's not a "good" movie- it's a collection of set pieces with some shoddy plotting, but it's a meal of hot fudge sundaes and fried chicken- tastes good going down, leaves you less than fulfilled in the end. And it's precisely what I expected here. The acting was actually pretty solid in a lot of places- particularly Megan Fox who sold the emotions with sincerity. Again, the story was nutty but it felt no different than watching the old cartoon. Leaps of logic are a staple of this material. I won't see it again, but for a night I was entertained.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi - creative control

    by Boborci

    It's about the same. You still have a network and a studio that are your collaborators.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Decipticon Balls

    by Series7

    Seriously, who's idea was that? I think its very funny, TBS even agrees with me.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't do it Conti.

    by The Dark Shite

    I turned a job down the other week, that would triple my salary at Junior High. <p> To give you some context, I already earn twice the standard wage in Japan. As I'm probably never gonna be a multi-millionaire, triple my salary would make me comparatively rich.<p> But it would mean working at a private school in Japan, singing the ABC song & essentially being a pink dancing monkey. So I said "No". <p> You may not believe me & if you do, you might think I'm insane, but I truly believe that as a would-be writer, if Bay came calling, even now, I'd tell him to go fuck himself. Because I truly don't believe in his films. <p> Now either Bob orci likes Bay's movies (in which case he must be dumb), or he doesn't. Having read his words here, I'd say he isn't dumb enough to be a Bay fan. In that case it's selling out.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Marketing Instead of Storytelling:

    by christian66

    "But in general, we don't think in terms of target audience, but more in terms of what's natural to the franchise." Like robots farting.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST

    I don't think you are lying

    by Continentalop

    But i can sometimes see where it is just a job. Call it the blue collar background in me, but sometimes you got to do somethings because they are offering to much money to turn down. Money equals financial freedom, financial freedom equals creative freedom. <p> Of course, if after making shitloads of money you are still doing stuff like a Bay flick, you either do like his movies or you are just greedy, I agree with you there.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    christian66 - Like robots farting?

    by Boborci

    as a matter of pure logic, yes. What is Tansformers? It is sentient tech, with recognizable human personalities and qualities. They are our vehicles and machines PERSONIFIED. And again, you are reducing it unfairly... The SR-71 is an old jet with a paarachute, and it malfunctions. How is that not fair game?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Do screenwriters

    by Series7

    Get good health insurance?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST

    I get you..

    by The Dark Shite

    I suppose so. I would never really criticise a guy who can set himself & his family up for life. <p> But you're right, what he does next would be the test. I mean even McG tried to do something with a bit more creative integrity this year. <p> Not much, mind you. But he tried.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    I have to say....

    by Zandunga

    ...kudos to Bob Orci for showing up to discuss and being a gent about getting slammed left and right. Listen, I dislike - nay, hate - what has been done to Transformers as much as anyone, but if I were a writer I'd also be curious. It has nothing to do with so-called insecurity or being pathetic...it's about being humble enough to come and interact with your movie's audience, even if they're a gang of foul-mouthed, saber-rattling chimps like you lot. I may not like some of Bob's work, but I have to respect him on that count. <p> Much as I have talked smack about the Orci/Kurtzman duo in other talkbacks, I do think Bay sours the equation. It's no coincidence that their worst work has been with Bay...whereas what they did with Alias was so much better. Likewise with Star Trek, which was flawed but highly entertaining and a fun time at the movies. <p> Bob...at least you're not at the level of Akiva Goldsman. Great to have you on the forum. I hate the Transformers films, though. I know you can't answer this for a variety of reasons, but I do wonder if what ended up on the screen truly exceeded your expectations for this film. Did it match the vision you and Alex saw in your heads? Do you think a more storytelling-oriented director (say, Peter Jackson or Bob Zemeckis) would have fared better with the material? I know it can be understandable to get defensive because this is, after all, your baby, but do you see where many of the reviewers are coming from? Cheers.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST

    But STILL people are going to see it!

    by Mr Gorilla

    I think it's made something like £8 million (is that $12 million?) at the UK box office. Even though people who even went in with an OPEN mind seemed to hate it. I mean, who is telling their friends that they should go see this?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:45 a.m. CST

    I mean

    by Series7

    The "pissing" scene from the first one. Was it really intended as that? <P> Also who were the Decepticon Balls modeled after? Megan Fox or Key Grip - Les T. Tomita?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    I agree Zandunga

    by The Dark Shite

    Regardless of what I think of the movie, I think it's great to have the chance to air our views & have them heard. <p> I wonder if he'll answer your question though. That's the kinda question that can get a man fired!

  • June 24, 2009, 2:47 a.m. CST

    creative integrity this year????

    by Series7

    I guess recreating complete scenes from other action movies (including one from the same franchise) is creative these days.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Ehren Kruger???

    by Series7

    Who the fuck is that asshole? Whats his screen name? Did you even meet this guy?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST

    He is a simple questions I don't think gets asked enough

    by Series7

    Of the cast and crew of the Transformers movies. <P> Which one was your favorite toy? <P> Probably get a bunch of, what toy? responses though.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:51 a.m. CST

    I just don't get..

    by The Dark Shite

    what is the point of making a movie based on characters who've been popular for a long, long time & then changing them? <p> If characters have been popular for so long, it's obvious that they work. In fact, if I had the job of writing those movies, the chances are, I'd be far more confident making them as much like the succesful characters as possible. <p> Is it a need to put your own stamp on it? Because they didn't need to be changed. So why? <p> & while I'm here ONE BIIIIIIIG QUESTION...............<p> Bumblebee has a voice at the end of TF1. It's gone again in the sequel. How?

  • June 24, 2009, 2:52 a.m. CST

    What's interesting is...

    by Zandunga

    ...that the films Bob has cited as influences, such as Back to the Future & Raiders were basically the anti-Transformers 2. They had charm, great narrative, interesting characterizations, wonderful pacing, witty humour, heart, etc. This is obvious to Bob, of course. So compare what inspired you to what you're doing now...what happened? Far be it from me to blame you if you sold your Orci soul for a moolah-filled payday cause I would have done it too. But still...the possibilities for this franchise were so much greater.

  • June 24, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Someone said earlier

    by Series7

    Come on guys, its not Citizen Kane. But I came back with the rebuttal stating that Transformers: The Movie was actually Citizen Kane last performance, his swan song if you will. <P> How does that feel to be working with such a concept that the great Orson Welles had once worked with? Is the idea of Unicron ever brought up in meetings, and quickly shut down because of fears of the comparison? What do you think Orson Welles would say about the final film if he were alive today?

  • June 24, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    Kruger wrote...

    by Zandunga

    ...Arlington Road. The film had issues and was contrived as hell, but I enjoyed it and felt he did something very interesting with it. He also adapted The Ring for the US market, competently so. I remember making a mental note, "hmm, I'll keep an eye out for his work."<p> If I had only known then his magnum opus was yet to come, robotic scrotum in tow...

  • June 24, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    So I guess your gonna let good ole

    by Series7

    Kruger take the blame for Decepticon Testies? <P> Well he did give us the Ring..... which I guess was good if you were a 12 year old girl and got scared by the site of Brian Cox.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Zandunga Jun

    by Boborci

    "I know you can't answer this for a variety of reasons, but I do... did it match the vision you and Alex saw in your heads? Do you think a more storytelling-oriented director (say, Peter Jackson or Bob Zemeckis) would have fared better with the material? I know it can be understandable to get defensive because this is, after all, your baby, but do you see where many of the reviewers are coming from? Cheers."<p>Hard to answer in a way because the process in this one was so different. From the day the strike ended to the first day of shooting was exactly 3 months or something, so we had to be generating pages every day and giving them to Bay and having him add his two cents and simultaneously prep the movie, and then giving us notes and us generating more pages etc... And then we were on set, and then we were with him endlessly in the editing room rewriting the movie some more... so it's not like in some cases where you just hand off a script and don't know what happened to it until the movie comes out and you wonder how it got from A to z. We're with Bay every step of the way fighting the good fight.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Too bad that song

    by Series7

    Tick Tick BOOM! Wasn't out before the trailer of Arlington Road was made, maybe it could have turned it into the a hit movie. Just like it did for Outlaws.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Damnit -

    by Massawyrm 1

    Good talkback going on and I've been missing it. GAH! I'd like to take this chance to officially thank Bob for making this one of the better talkbacks I've ever had, and for answering so many questions. It takes a lot of balls to face talkback. Mad props.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Series7

    by Massawyrm 1

    You don't mean "Boom! Boom! Shake Shake the Room!" by DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince, do you? Because that was '93.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Yeah I know

    by Series7

    Its fucking late as balls to boot.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST

    It takes a lot of balls to face talkback.

    by ironic_name

    ... too easy.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:16 a.m. CST

    orson welles hated the movie

    by ironic_name

  • June 24, 2009, 3:17 a.m. CST

    No that

    by Series7

    Crappy Salvia song. It was in the trailer for American Outlaws, starring that thing from James Caan's nut sack and Colin Bullseye. <P> http://tinyurl.com/m8vs67

  • June 24, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    PG-13

    by Series7

    For western violence? As apposed to what other form of violence? Does Hood violence constitute an R? And suburban violence a PG?

  • June 24, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Orson Welles loved that movie!

    by Series7

    You shut your mouth. There is no way in this black cold earth that he did it souly for lunch money.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    later -- it's been fun

    by Boborci

    thanks, even those who hate it, for at least sitting through it. Until next time...

  • June 24, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Good night and

    by Series7

    Big Decepticon Balls.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:27 a.m. CST

    It was pretty damn good.

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I went for the action, and was not let down. There are really nice sci fi concepts going on here much more than the first movie.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Actually I didn't pay to see it

    by Series7

    I got a leaked copy online about a month ago, though it was just a rough cut and the studios said that it wasn't the final version. That some scenes were unedited, and the CGI wasn’t finished. So I'll probably see the final film in theaters this week to see if there is any difference. Like maybe a Decepticon hand reaching through the rubble at the end and getting Deadpools head or something.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Awesome new review....read on:

    by Zandunga

    G'night Bob...thanks for taking the time, mate. <p> Anyway, you guys have to read this review. My homepage is msn .com and as the central news item is their new review for Transformers 2. I encourage you to go take a look, but here are a few lines: <p> "And, to deal with the token objections of the film's defenders, I have an inner child; he's just not an inner idiot. And if how much money something made had any correlation to how good it actually is, doctors would recommend you get more cocaine instead of more leafy greens. And no, I can't shut my brain off and have fun, anymore than I could rip out my tongue and enjoy a meal, because my brain is where I feel fun. And I could talk about the plot and characters and performances of "Revenge of the Fallen," but why should I care about those things when it's so clear that Bay doesn't?" <p> "The action is badly cut, confusing and incoherent, with no sense of space or distance or dynamism aside from close-ups of brutal blows and long shots of explosions. The effects are either too swift to be truly seen (Wasn't one of the pleasures of the Transformers toys slllllllowly ... clicking ... each change into place?) or so phony you can't bear to look. "Revenge of the Fallen" isn't good; it's just expensive, and while Michael Bay can't tell the difference between those things, a reasonably intelligent person can."<p> "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is not as bad as "Transformers"; somehow, in the face of long odds, it is actually worse. Where the first "Transformers" was clumsy, "Revenge of the Fallen" is paralyzed with its own stupidity. I literally could not stop laughing out loud during "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" -- not at the moments intended as comedy, which are not funny in any way, but rather at Bay's superhuman ability to look at his own film and not see that it's nothing but broken bits, desperate distractions and empty explosions. (I can imagine Bay braying "Wonderful! Cut! Print!" after every scene regardless of its quality, Ed Wood with hundreds of millions of dollars, not just hundreds.)" <p> "If you tell me you loved "Revenge of the Fallen" -- really, truly, loved it without reservation or complaint -- then you've essentially told me you can't tell something from nothing, good from bad, craft from cost. The best thing about "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is that it's perhaps the funniest movie of the year. The worst thing is that ticket-buying masses will shower stupid spectacle with success one more time because they don't want, need or expect anything better from big Hollywood."

  • June 24, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    I've nothing personal against anyone

    by Dingbatty

    involved in these movies. But the first clearly demonstrated that none of them know the first thing about The Transformers property. Trying to boil it down to just "They are our vehicles and machines PERSONIFIED" is so far off the mark, that I makes me feel embarrassed. I get the impression that they are willfully trying not to get it closer.

  • June 24, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    ^film snob review

    by lockesbrokenleg

    He probably thinks Bruce Campbell is a good actor

  • June 24, 2009, 3:49 a.m. CST

    "I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. T

    by ironic_name

    maybe harry can be in pt3!

  • June 24, 2009, 3:52 a.m. CST

    orson didn't even know what he was working on

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/n9hu3k

  • June 24, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    " having influenced an entire generation of action movies...whet

    by ol' painless

    Indeed, sir. I do not like it. At all. Not one infinitesimal iota. And I bid you GOOD DAY.

  • June 24, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Good Day? Where are we? Fucking England?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Shit, the kid in the movie had a Cloverfield poster on his wall. Now that film sucked.

  • June 24, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Oh no. I wasn't expecting much, but...?

    by Mr Nicholas

  • June 24, 2009, 5:03 a.m. CST

    "I SAY!"

    by ol' painless

  • June 24, 2009, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Just trying to bring a little civility to Talback . .

    by ol' painless

  • June 24, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Or I could just say

    by ol' painless

    Bay SUCKS! And stop hitting the Enter key by accident. My apologies.

  • June 24, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Transformers 3 - Unicron Attacks

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Given what we have seen he will have a gigantic cannon which of course will be on his groin and look exactly like a gigantic cock, the cannon cock will actually be a transformer called Strap-on, and of course can fire a yellow laser or a far more lethal white one, yes I know all very subtle. <p>

  • June 24, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Transformers 3

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Definetely needs more panties shots, in fact we need to have Megan Fox attacked by Vibrator, ohh the kids will laugh when he is drilling her butt

  • June 24, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Here's some observations from my local Theater.

    by ganymede3010

    After this heaping pile of shit, the entire Theater cheered and roared with applause as if they just watched the Godfather. I went to the 12:01AM showing PST. After I got out, there was more people waiting in line to see the 3:15am shows then any other shows that night. The fucking theater, the parking lot, the concession area, everything, as If it was 1:00pm on a Saturday afternoon. This nightmarish experience is going to eviscerate the box office. And Bay going to be rewarded with another Sequel. I'm done with Transformers until the eventual reboot in 2020.

  • June 24, 2009, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Transformers 3 - Sam in the work place

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Sam will of course be a pimp for high class escorts, can't have any ugly ones, Bumblebee will have a disco ball and those spinning rims

  • June 24, 2009, 5:38 a.m. CST

    The Transfornicators........

    by NoCalFlicks

    Starring: Bumble-Bitch Mega-Tramp and introducing, Star-Squeel. I liked this movie about as much as I like the first one. It was medicore but nothing to get angry over. After all the money that the first one made, why would anyone expect and better effort and/or changes to be made for the sequel? The masses loved it at the 12:01 showing I went to, clapping and loud applause various times through the movie, and the biggest shock I had was that a lot of young women came to the show, and not the typical geeky-hot chicks that some quasi-geek dudes have managed to score, I am talking about ladies you would never expect to be there. Is the Megan Fox/Shia bullshit from these flicks really all it takes to bring in females?

  • June 24, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    oh God...

    by The Amazing G

    I'm probably going to be forced to see this with uncle's 13 year step-son, yes my uncle is an asshole

  • June 24, 2009, 6:09 a.m. CST

    TRANSORMERS 2 IS GREETESTMOVIE EVER MADE !

    by petergrifin

    you are are all just jelous becase you willl never do anthing with your liveas awsome as how awsome this movie is so just shjut fuck up then andmegan fox is hottestt girl in world and wayhoter than your girlfirend if you evem has one wich you proberly dont becase your so booring reely !just go to see this moive to makes it most sucessfull movie ever made so to make michel bayt make tramsformers 3 in next year or theyaer after that beacase nobobody is as good to make these movies as micheal bay is becase he know how to make the actoin look cool andthe affcts so go see it then !if i ever see see anybody who dont like this movie in reel life i will punch pfuck out of them becase, they dont deserve cool thinbgs and they are not gratful are they then .micheal bayr ules and this mivie is best movie e er amd is not racist so shut fuck up sereosly becase yuou are all idoits !i hope this moive make $2billon dollars becase it will proof your wrong and it willproof that america is most best countryt and that micehjal bay is best directing !NICHEAL BAY RULES ANDTRANSOFORMERS 2 RULES !i have some ideas about what to do fro transformer 3 but there dsecret .

  • June 24, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Boborci

    by BadWaldosRevenge

    Do you take pride in almost every completed *filmed* project you and a buddy co-write, or just take a fat paycheck and shut up from the sideline?<p> Is TF2 one of the low points of your writing career because your name is on the credit, judging the execrable reviews of the movie?<p> Is the final product result of TF2 entirely the fault of Michael Bay and the producers - and you regret having contributed to a story that ends up being relentlessly butchered by the filmmakers, but resign to the fact Hollywood works just the way it is? <p>By the way, I hated Star Trek re-booted. IMdb.com removed my negative review of the movie, twice, for calling the movie a tedious revenge yarn ripped off from a Final Fantasy video game with reference to director's "coke-snorting" for using lens glare visuals to obnoxious effect. Try imitating Shakespeare and rise above the crap. You're lucky to have made it to a lucrative screenwriting career, because even your recent movie scripts would end up being tossed into the trash bin by studio script readers were it not for your lucky break. Hollywood bigwig idiots sure have short attention span and they need hack screenplay lackeys as slave chimpanzees with half-functioning typewriters.

  • June 24, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    DAILYSPORTS

    by AyatollahSexyBack

    What are your thoughts about the recent Burger King controversy? You think the Mexicans had a legitimate gripe? I mean, they are on average a smaller people, so why shouldn't they be portrayed as a veritable midget next to a white cowboy, right?

  • June 24, 2009, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Michael Gay...

    by MJohnson

    Sorry...I watch movies for the stories. Bay sucks. End of discussion.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST

    I got a free movie ticket for sending in

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    five box tops from Pop Tarts. I'm trying to decide between Transformers or GI Joe. Big cheesy movies with lots of CGI and 'splosions." I'm leaning towards Joe because of Quaid.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    ROBERTO ORCI IS THE NEW AKIVA GOLDSMAN

    by Giario

    Spread the word.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    at 22% on RT

    by Six Demon Bag

    wow

  • June 24, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    RECTIFY OBVIOUS LIE IN IMDB USER RATINGS

    by Giario

    Log in, give accurate score, log out. It only takes a few seconds. I think the studio has got all of its staff to give this film 10/10. Make it right.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:26 a.m. CST

    SPIELBERG DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK

    by Giario

    about parents who haven't got much money and who can maybe only take their kids to see one film this year. This is not what kids deserve. This is a fucking atrocity of a film in every possible way. It demonstrates an absolute lack of quality control from top to bottom. Shame on everyone involved with this wholly unnecessary ego-trip of a film. It's a fucking embarrassment.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    So Orci actually came on this talkback?

    by Kenshiro_187

    get the fuck outta here, bullshit! What fucking disgrace, trying to pull a McG and make excuses. Bullshit.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Building the Enterprise on Earth is a non-issue

    by D.Vader

    Seriously. Stop wasting everyone's time on that.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Damn a lot of you guys are dicks here

    by D.Vader

    I may not like McG or Brett Ratner AT ALL, but if he showed up here on Talkbacks, I wouldn't be so rude to insult him to his (internet) face every single time I posted. I'd probably just ask a few questions, politely express my displeasure as if I were face to face with him, and then ignore him for the rest of his time here. <p> But some of you seem to relish in peppering your posts to BobOrci with as many insults as possible. One of the very few Talkbackers (ie, the only one without a blackbox) who everyone knows is a real person and not some anonymous troll on the other end. Its just asshole behavior. Its definitely not professional. And honestly, it makes me disappointed in a lot of you. Dark Shite did it right. He insulted and joked and when he realized BobOrci was the real deal, he cut back and became civilized. I'm surprised many others of you can't.

  • June 24, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    ErnestBorgNine - Wimp

    by Projectedlight

    Before being called out by Massawyrm: "If you think Mudflap and Skids are meant to be "black," it says more about you than it says about Bay." "So, only black people have fake gold teeth, Massa? And only black people can't read? Like I said, if you watch these two characters and immediately think "BLACK PEOPLE!" then you've got the problem." After being called out by Massawyrm: "I don't think you're a racist and I never claimed you were. I didn't have the same reaction to the characters as you did, that's all."

  • June 24, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Orci has balls for coming here

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Though maybe it's easy to take criticism when you are well paid , not all of us can afford to hunt poor people and snort cocaine of the thighs of some sold into slavery kidnapped 16 year old virgin

  • June 24, 2009, 8:57 a.m. CST

    "We're with Bay every step of the way fighting the good fight."

    by conspiracy

    So there is the truth of it...from the dirty script punching sell out fingers of "Boborci" himself.</p><p>Bay may be one of the primary directors today turning film into complete garbage, but ultimately guys like Orci make such stupidity possible. I can't blame them for wanting to make a truck load of bucks...I just want to know why they can't do it while not insulting the audience and respecting their craft.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Ya know...most of us here should give this a try...

    by conspiracy

    if we aren't already.</p><p>If THIS is the level of artistry and creativity it takes to make it in Hollywood these days most of us here could write just as well. Fuck...most 6th graders could do it...and judging by this fucking mess they might actually have. Hey..is THAT the secret Bob? do you have kids? Are THEY the ones who actually write your scripts? Or perhaps you just stand outside Disneyland and ask random 8yr olds what they think is funny and turn those random comments into a movie filled with those same random scenes. Kinda genius actually.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    ContinentalOp, you just wait

    by D.Vader

    I'll remember what you said up above for when I get rich and famous.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi...

    by conspiracy

    "snort cocaine off the thighs of some sold into slavery kidnapped 16 year old virgin"</p><p>Damn...you sure can paint a pretty picture. lmao

  • June 24, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    By th eend of the week the GOP will be raking this over

    by Six Demon Bag

    and the "liberal media"

  • June 24, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    boborci should have the balls to admit that yes...

    by Kenshiro_187

    it was all about the money. I just made this crap all for the money. Admit that and I will respect you a lot! Honesty is the best policy.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST

    sounds like orci and the other guy ARENT to blame

    by Six Demon Bag

    for the story...it got a polish?<P><P>can the real boborci confirm this?

  • June 24, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    DVader

    by Six Demon Bag

    these TBers wouldnt have the balls to do it face to face...its alot easier to do it anonymously though hiding in a basement.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    That's what I mean, Six Demon

    by D.Vader

    Its one thing to anonymously trash each other, as no one here knows each other, we can't put a face to one another, none of us are "real" in that sense. And its usually always over a difference of opinions; we don't just start being a dick for fun (well, not all of us anyway). So it always strikes me as odd when a "real" person shows up and I see who takes it as an opportunity to just let the insults fly.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Best question of the TB, Bob failed to answer.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    "Also who were the Decepticon Balls modeled after? Megan Fox or Key Grip - Les T. Tomita?"

  • June 24, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag -- you're wrong.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I'm in California. I don't have a fucking basement.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Roberto Orci = Josef Mengele, The Angel of Death

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 24, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I still don't believe thats Orci.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...if I did I would have been in here more last night telling to him to gargle my fucking piss.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but he loved Taken, so what does that say?

    by coconutgroves

    Just saying, he loved that piece of shit, so this actually might actually be good

  • June 24, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    DGDB, exactly!

    by Kenshiro_187

    How do we know if that is actually Orci, could be just some guy fucking around. As D.Vader says, "we can't put a face to one another"

  • June 24, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Sharapova is out of Wimbledon

    by kolchak

    You can all stop playing with your balls now.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    T4 sucked and now this?

    by dioxholster

    what the hell is happening here. only good summer movie was star trek

  • June 24, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure its Bob because...

    by D.Vader

    And I didn't know Mori or Massa or Harry confirmed it, but I started seeing him pop up randomly a few months ago and I thought "Who would make that their screenname?" Honestly, who would? The only reason anyone would take a celebrity's name for their TB handle is to tarnish his character, to make him seem like an idiot or an asshole. Instead, this BobOrci was very self-deprecating and for the most part had a somewhat witty retort that undercut any insults that were thrown his way. He sounds like the real deal. I'm pretty sure its him because I can't imagine an intelligent person wasting their time impersonating a much-maligned screenwriter.

  • June 24, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Anyone could answer those questions....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....we all know how he will respond. <p>And some people find very odd things funny. It wouldn't surprise me if it was one big joke. I've seen that guy in random TB's unrelated to him the past few months. You know how much fucking shit he's attached to? No way in hell would he sit in a TB for hours....

  • June 24, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    D.Vader, guess so...

    by Kenshiro_187

    i did get accused for being Steve Kasan when I was just only helping the guy. Still, doesn't excuse him for making such a trash movie. I mean, there's all this effort and time put into this production, have some thought at least!

  • June 24, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Bay Pisses On Audience...

    by christian66

    ...and the masses open their mouth wider for more! Film at 11!

  • June 24, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    "It’s like the script was written in one sitting on a

    by CreasyBear

    Morphine bender, with the writer nodding in and out of consciousness, thinking that he’d already written what happened in his dreams and simply picking back up where the dream left off." Poetry. To think that tons of morons stayed up until 2 in the morning wasting their time with this garbage on the early-opening.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    TF2, T4 and Wolverine v SM3, POTC3 and Shrek 3

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    2009 is looking even more disappointing than 2007

  • June 24, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    True, he could be anyone

    by D.Vader

    I guess we won't really know unless Harry really truly super hardcore confirms it one day. I guess I'll continue to buy it and you'll continue to deny it.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by dioxholster

    hes baby has just been released, i would stay home and check the reviews too

  • June 24, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    at least we got STAR TREK

    by dioxholster

    and STARGATE UNIVERSE is showing after two months so its not all bad

  • June 24, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Vader...Insults are the only ammo we have...

    by conspiracy

    because logical arguments simply won't work on a guy, who if it is really him, makes millions of dollars a year peddling this cinematic swill to troglodytes who think Explosions=quality. Logic fails...the numbers prove it. Why SHOULD he change a thing...he is filthy rich off this crap, he is the Walmart of Writers.</p><p> I don't blame HIM, if I could make that kind of $$$ sitting at home over a weekend and writing an entire move while high as a kite, and you know this entire franchise was written just so, I'd do it too...but I wish HE would at least be honest and tell US, people who see through this nonsense, that he is only in it for the money and does not give a fuck about artistic integrity or respecting his craft or the audience. THIS is why we insult...because it is all we have...Bob has all the bullets, all we can do is throw our rocks; and throw them we shall.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST

    conspiracy -- amen.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 24, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    heck i wish i can make mindless movies

    by dioxholster

    that the masses will eat up.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    All about the money! Admit to it, boborci and...

    by Kenshiro_187

    I will respect you, IF that is you. Honesty is the best policy.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    You appeal to someone better with logic

    by D.Vader

    Not with insults. Honestly, he doesn't give a shit about you if you're just going to insult him. If he's an intelligent fellow, he'd rather hear some good criticism and engage in debate than just trade insults back and forth. That will get you nowhere, trust me. Don't we know that by now? This is AICN. When has an insult volley EVER gotten anyone to admit they're wrong? Answer: Never.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    anyone really believe orci's bullshit?

    by animas

    his scripts are the level of tennessee williams until that bay ruined them! yeah riiiiiight... I watched an hour of TF2 last night and turned it off.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    D. Vader - Fuck That

    by ZombieHeathLedger

    So you're saying it's okay to trash someone (in this case, deservedly so for his part in a truly wretched sript) in overall consensus, universally and ad nauseum but as soon as they grace us with their presence they get a pass? Fuck that. I give Orci credit for coming in here and facing the peanut gallery but everybody knows what they are getting into when they step into the AICN Wild Wild West TB's. Just as I'm sure that when I told Orci to go take a flying leap he understood I was doing so metaphorically. I don't actually wish death on the man for a shitty script, I'm sure he has a family who loves him. I'm just sick of him trashing canon to lesser results and I had the opportunity to tell him and I took it. If I were to have this opinion of his work, post it and then backpeddle and give him a reacharound when he shows up, that would be hypocrisy and I ain't about that. Besides, I'm sure Orci wiped away his tears with his millions, so don't feel too sorry for him. Sheesh.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    The Brothers Bloom just came to my city, so I watched

    by CreasyBear

    that yesterday. I'll the idiots stand in line for shit like TF2.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    animas

    by dioxholster

    TF2 is in theaters, how did you turn it off?

  • June 24, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    dioxholster..Have you tired? It can't be that hard!

    by conspiracy

    When you can get a major studio to write off on a script that as high points contains; Robot Balls, obvious lifted racial stereotyped "Jigabots" who as Icing on the cake CAN NOT READ, farting robots, robots dry humping a girls leg, and human characters whose only quality is the ability to scream, run, or look good in a skirt...I say anyone can do it. And perhaps we should.</p><p>These Talkbacks are FULL of people who obviously have a brain...our flame wars and insults have more creativity than this unholy mess...maybe those of us who are not actively writing for a living should give it a whirl. If this film is representative of what it takes to "make it"...again I say anyone can.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    AMEIRCA IS NUMBERO NE !AMERICA IS NUMER ONE !

    by petergrifin

    peeple who dont like this movie is not american and not patroit then and they are jelous of ameriac being numberone in the world !transormers 2 is new styl of of movie and is nwe americn styel from now on becase its most sucessful movie or it iwill be !if youdont pay to see this movei then youare againt america then !ameica is best and stronger than all of other countrys in the the world !i cheerd in england after movei over america is bumber one america is is number one america is numb er one and all england gfags laufings wehn they gobecase there jelous of america !

  • June 24, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    What I'm saying ZombieHeathLedger...

    by D.Vader

    Is that insulting a "real" person who comes here to discuss isn't going to make me feel like more of a man. Plus it'd just make me look like an asshole. I'll bitch about McG's dumbass ideas for Terminator sequels and original endings all I want on here, and if McG showed up and mentioned it, I'd politely tell him I think those ideas are horrible (and I'd explain why). <p> But I seriously doubt I'd call him a fucking dumbass right off the bat. Guess that's just me.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    D.Vader -- No one here has an ounce of respect for him.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    We don't give a fuck about hurting Orci's feelings, nor do we give a fuck about learning a damn thing from that unoriginal cunt. Sometimes it just feels good to lob a handful of shit into someone's face.<p>Not everyone here is impressed with industry people like you are.

  • June 24, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by dioxholster

    movies like this give me hope to one day be able to make it in the industry, thats like my dream. but TF2 turned out like this bec