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THE LAST AIRBENDER trailer is manhandled by ET, but I HAVE IT HERE FOR YOU - The Right Way!!!
Hey folks, Harry here earlier today I got a look at THE LAST AIRBENDER trailer - which will debut online tomorrow. ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT had the ability to show it tonight, but as you can see - they took a trailer of TWO LONG SHOTS and diced it up to where you really have no flow to it at all. The trailer begins with our hooded airbender doing a complicated BO routine surrounded by candles - blowing out sections, then with a thrust down they all go out and he removes his hood. Then we're in a shot where he pushes a wind out of the temple and we slowly follow, out of the temple looking down at the cliff face, then the ocean - where we see an armada of strange ships and catapulted fireballs. It is pretty nifty. Obviously just a teaser trailer but it shows M Night's predilection for long shots. But it shows a scale and action like we've never seen from him. I'm really hoping for something amazing. M Night needs it, and it'd be nice to have a great AirBender movie, right?
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Never a huge fan of "firsts" posts but what the hell? Anyway, hope Night does well with this, can't be worse than "The Happening"
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I hope the live action does it justice.
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Dear God, Read this Harry Knowles before it's too late!
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...that came up with this one?
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Whoa - that showed almost nothing at all. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
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The Last Bender
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They always butcher them.
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And.... there's no twist at the end! What a twist!
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is Tarantino.
Really though, i still hold stock in this guy, despite his last two being complete crap and The Village being mediocre. The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and Signs are enough to always keep me interested. It will take a lot more to loose hope in this guy. -
Grainy though it was, chopped though the trailer may be, even giving it the benefit of the doubt on that basis - that looked absolutely awful. Shyamalan certainly needs a hit after the last three movies.....this movie is not that hit though. Hope he's bracing himself for the bad reviews....they're a-coming, alright.
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Reminds me of that old Police video where sting dances in slomo and knocks over all the candlesticks. http://tinyurl.com/mhlnjm
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in 3...2...1...
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...unlike the 'other' Avatar.
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Fuck him and the dildo horse he rode in on.
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Why are they making this a movie? I mean, don't get me wrong it was a great show, but seriously why?
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Jun 22, 2009 8:55:04 PM CDT
Blech. I'm sick of this guy poking his finger in my chest.
by stuntcock mike
Gotcha. Not this time.
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Noah looks awesome---hes got insanely cool moves, and the ships they showed looked great. I know his last few movies were crap, but the material here is incredible, and what little they showed on the teaser DID look good. Im usually skeptical, but at this point, I have faith in this one.
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God, is that funny. It is like the old Police video. Great call.
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Go watch some episodes and get a clue.
http://www.animeshippuuden.com/category/avatar-the-last-air-bender/
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It was a teaser people, not much to see yet. At least wait for a full length trailer to judge it.
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a little 'breathy' for a voiceover
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Full length trailers are always representative of how awesome the movie will be!
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Just watched the full non et'd teaser. Looks great for a teaser. Anyone one who is calling this crap either is not a fan of the show, or not a fan of M night.
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As if this is some long-loved fanboy property that deserves proper treatment. Does anyone actually care?
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Ummm its not Shyamalan's IP why is his name on top of it?
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Looks awful...have fun waiting tables at your local Denny's.
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Ever watched the series? Its good. Really good. It does deserve a proper treatment. How this show slipped under fanboy radar for so long is a mystery to me... perhaps it being on Nick had something to do with that. But, seriously rent the DVDs. It was a great show.
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But based on the bits and pieces of seen from when my nephew's watched the show, it seemed pretty good. A serious, intelligent action adventure show for kids. Could lead to a good movie.
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That part where the air kinda skips along to the next few candles...c'mon that's cool. I bet this will be amazing. You'll see.
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..with the exception of The Village and The Happening, which were both unremittingly bad. Still, I liked Lady in the Water, Signs, Sixth Sense and Unbreakable very much...so am usually willing to give even his maligned films a go. That trailer however, to me, just looked daft. For one thing, children doing martial arts can never be taken seriously. Beyond that nugget alone, the rest of the trailer just looked bad to me. Hope Shyamalan knocks it out of the park, I hope he gets back on his feet and delivers another movie of the quality of Unbreakable. Just can't see this film as being the one to do it so far, but who knows. I'm not optimistic though.
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I actually watched the whole cartoon series, and the characters have a lot of heart.
This has a real chance of being good, just based on the source material.
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But I will definitely be open-minded enough to check it out.
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Why is hollywood obsessed with making "live action" versions of animation, books, or graphic novels? Geez, just go watch or read the source material and be entertained. I don't need hollywood's interpretation of the source material--it then becomes a second hand art form. I'm a fan of M. Night (he writes his own scripts and films them! He understands original material in a medium!), but really hate movies that raid other art media...For example: Lord of the Rings? Read the damn masterpiece books! League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? Read the damn comic books! Air Bender? Watch the well-done animated series! So much is lost in translation with all these stupid movie versions...what, can't people read? What, can't people pick up the DVDs for Airbender and enjoy them for what they were originally intended? OH YEAH, I forgot...hollywood is a constant state of remakes, rehashes, and raiding source material all for the sake of MONEY. That's the bottom line.
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Wow, that was quick.
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The Dragonball movie is another example--watch the damn anime series which is beloved by fans around the world! Why is there a need to make a live action movie of this? It was already developed in a distinct medium (Japanese animation) and well received in that medium. Enjoy it on DVD and don't make it a "movie"... urgh.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ZjjMBXMpk
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M. Night used a long shot, and thus long-shots are egomaniacal and pretentious. He also released a trailer, and thus trailer's are hacky because they either A)Have a twist ending, or B)Don't have a twist ending. Aaaaand, let's see, I think it's also his fault that some of you find curry too spicy, right?
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Sorry, I had something in my throat.
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What other director in recent history has both written and directed this many films in a row (up until Airbender)? Sure, there may be 1-2 lesser movies, but his percentage and talent are remarkable considering he's doing the whole thing himself...that's damn impressive. His lesser films may not be GREAT, but they aren't trash either. This is a talented guy, you have to admit, regardless of whether you care for his style or work.
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M. Night ranks high among those that are utilizing the film media in original ways, instead of rehashing stories from other forms of media (well, up until Airbender...)
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That is all.
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I'd be more interested if I didn't see Shyamalan's name in the "written by" section.
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... but his last couple of movies completely negate your argument. There are plenty of writer/directors out there who don't have to rely on a hacky gimmick to put butts in theatre seats. I'm not a fan of the Sixth Sense, but I'm willing to admit that at the time, it was a unique filmgoing experience that captivated audiences. Rather than take that good will and become an interesting auteur with a unique voice, ol M. Night decided to just continue milking the "what a tweest!" teat until it was completely dry and no one gave a shit anymore. It was shameless and, as with most shameless stunts, delivered diminishing returns. Putting himself in increasingly larger roles in his films didn't take away any from the "self-important douchebag" moniker he gradually earned. While I'm willing to give Airbender a shot (mostly due to the fact that M Night didn't write it), but I can't understand how people continue to defend the man as anything other than a one-trick pony with an interesting visual style.
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... just saw he's one of the writers too.
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I mean, let's get real here; M.Night has serious fucking talent compared to MTV hacks like Bay. I'll buy a Night ticket over Bay any day. At least M. Night tries things outside of formula Hollywood vomit.
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Cause when ya blow your money on a ticket to the thing you might as well bend over...
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PT Anderson, Wes Anderson to name a couple.and if churning out movies is all that it takes to be talented, Roger Corman would be the supreme chancellor of Hollywood.the best response to your argument is this: by almost ANY standards, Shyamalan's movies has been getting progressively worse. each one is a little less than the one previous. Sixth Sense is the best, and the fucking death air is the worst. the only possible exception is The Village, which came in the middle but may be not only his worst, but one of the biggest turds in movie history.from Roger Ebert's review of The Village:
"Eventually the secret of Those, etc., is revealed. To call it an anticlimax would be an insult not only to climaxes but to prefixes. It's a crummy secret, about one step up the ladder of narrative originality from It Was All a Dream. It's so witless, in fact, that when we do discover the secret, we want to rewind the film so we don't know the secret anymore.
And then keep on rewinding, and rewinding, until we're back at the beginning, and can get up from our seats and walk backward out of the theater and go down the up escalator and watch the money spring from the cash register into our pockets."Shyamalan made a great thriller, but he's been elevated to a position he's never earned. doing everything yourself, which you seem to indicate is inherently proof of real talent, is really just ego and vanity. if you're going to do everything yourself, then you better be Soderbergh, or Kubrick, or Coppola. otherwise, you're just an average filmmaker with no one telling you when your ideas suck. -
Unbreakable and Signs are works of genius (Signs is in my top 5 all-time). Never was much of a Sixth Sense fan but I liked The Village. LITW and Happening were noble failures (at least the man takes chances). The guy can direct provided he has a decent script and actors to work with.
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That was the most worthless sneek peek trailer I've seen in a loooong time! A kid blowing out candles? Really? Fucking give me a break...M. Night has ruined his reputation. Put the fork in his ass. He's done. Studios take note..No more money from me for M. Night Sham-a-dong films. That is all...
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Because ET's audience are a bunch of mindless retards, who need to have everything cut up into bite sized segments and have the premise explicitly fucking explained through god awful voice overs because they're too fucking retarded to let the trailer sink in and speak for itself. Those fucktards watch ET mostly for shitty useful gossip on Octomom and Brangelina.
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End of rant
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ZjjMBXMpk&feature=player_embedded
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it'll be better than that horrid Dragonball. This movie could be very good but M Night still has to earn it.
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As tired as I am of cliched stories where someone's the one to bring balance to fucking whatever, this looks well done.
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Disaster movie 2 or Scary Movie: Unnumbers will surely rework this scene.
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that aren't from the 80s
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The guy is definitely talented, and in the world of MTV editing, his films are a breath of fresh air in mainstream genre pictures. Never checked out the TV series but I'm hoping Shyamalan can deliver.
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The kid that they got to play Aang is a great martial artist. His moves look awesome and the way he spins the glider around is freaking awesome. I'm not sold on the guy who they got to play Zuko (or the rest of the cast for that matter), but at least Aang looks and moves like Aang and the Fire nations ships look badass. For those who have not seen this great show please do yourself a favor and watch it
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now that's fucking hilarious.
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The thing the story has that most action movies don't, are real subplots. You actually care that Aang feels like the entire world falling is his fault. You care that Zuko is trying to decide between evil (to be accepted by his family) or good (to follow his missing mother's path). All of the side characters have interesting back stories that can be expanded on without derailing the movie. On top of that, you have the special effects and unique animals in that world. He could fuck it up, but if it's done right it should be huge.
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Pretentious, egotistical and precious? Yes. Hack? No.
A hack is someone who will sell-out and produce any old dreck for a paycheck. That ain't Shyamalan. In fact, I think he's a very talented director - he's got a great eye for composition and scene pacing also knows how to use sound to great effect (Signs has a masterful use of sound to create suspense)/.
Shyamalan's problem is that he is a shit screenwriter and is too self-absorbed to acknowledge it. Team him up with a good screenwriter and I reckon he could produce gold. The problems with his later films have largely been script-related. -
Honestly, what was The Happening? I have never found out if it was his own miscalculation or his own deliberate fuck up. Watching that movie, I got the impression he wanted to make it not just horrible, but an excruciating film going experience. As if it was his aspiration. I think his slow descent throughout his career shows the truth: that he got lucky with a great twist, and had nowhere else to go but down...until he reached this. A bald kid in a room full of candles panned outwards to a bunch of four-year old cutting edge effects of fireballs and battleships.
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Doing movies from other media instead of his Hitchcockian mindfuck, shit dialog with a twist of lemon movies.
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Please kill yourselves you illiterate fuckwits. As if the name is that hard to say. It's four syllables using normal western phonetics. If that's too challenging for you, suicide is probably your best option.
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he huffs and buffs and queefs and farts
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...blowing me.
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This trailer sums up M. Night's style perfectly: Failing to live up to it's own pomposity with an inexplicable lack of filmic restraint. In other words, he's a boring hack. Always will be. He's more of a producer-director, rather than a director. He is definitely not a screenwriter. UNBREAKABLE was a wonderful fluke.
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I'd rather watch him try an original story and fail rather than endure another pointless remake or lowest common denominator 'safe' movie.
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candles? choreography? damn, this is stupid...
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I tried to make that point earlier...
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its the most fucked up bizarre thing i have ever seen. it had to have been on purpose. everyone acts in the same terrible manner...it was all intentional. it was marvellous.
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Jun 23, 2009 12:33:19 AM CDT
M. NIGHT. DGDB supports you. FUCK ALL OTHERS.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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...is a B movie. That is what Night was trying to make. Something along the lines of Them or The Blob. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
I will take one hundred Shyamalans over the true hacks like Sommers or McG. They have no style whatsoever. Shyamalan is a gifted director with a great visual look.
I personally like The Village. It takes a lot of balls to pull the rug from under the audience. Everyone is expecting a monster movie and instead get an allegory on violence in America. I will take that everytime over the brain fart that is Transformers 2.
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Has a better ring to it anyways. M. Night can go fist himself with a boxing glove...
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And I don't know a fucking thing about the cartoon.
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Jun 23, 2009 12:46:03 AM CDT
DGDB, I don't think we were watching the same teaser...
by guntermonkey
It was derivative and boring. Now cue the part when you insult me and tell me to fuck off...
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Geez, anymore cliche phrases we can include in this thing?
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...they might as well shown a clip from 'Kung Fu' and said "coming 2010"
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Watch some episodes of the cartoon. It's really great:
http://www.animeshippuuden.com/category/avatar-the-last-air-bender/ (remove spaces)
The unedited trailer looks fantastic. Those are some fucking good scenery effects.
The fire nation ships look as they should, Ang looks awesome, his air bending is awesome. Come on M night, do not disappoint.
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I mean, really!
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Your a shithead, now fuck off
Sorry just doing what you asked for...
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Problem is that I can't take a ridiculous Mr. Trailer Voice seriously in the slightest. I just think of somebody in a studio contorting their face into all kinds of shapes to give the appropriate 'distinct' sound to a string of cliches.
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...is that the Hollywood Reporter say that the other 'Avatar' film is going to be unveiled tonight. Hopefully it won't be NDA'd.
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otherwise known as ham and bean supper night, at the local catholic church.
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Do you really want to stick up for a trailer because the "scenery" is pretty?... for one, it's not that impressive, and two, go see Transformers and tell me "scenery" is important.
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Go to a botanical gardens or art museum. Movies should give us something called "engaging narrative" and "character depth."
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How does one go about pushing "a" wind exactly?
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This trailer is two shots long. Trying to make a case for it sucking or rocking just from the footage shown is a bit of a stretch. But it does show that, good or bad, M. Night's films provoke passion. And that's something, at least.
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I disagree.
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Not much to judge from the teaser anyway. I was just hoping for something more original to kick things off. I'm pulling for M. Night to succeed in his "commercial" venture, cause I want to see him make more original films...
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But I'm a bit iffy about the Slumdog Millionaire dude playing the bad guy. I can't imagine him doing martial arts.
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But the man knows more about shot composition, pacing, and building tension than Bay or McG ever will. Umm, to be fair much of my opinion is not based on The Happening... The less said about that the better.
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As much as I've disliked M. Night's work the past several movies, this didn't look bad at all. I'm glad M. Night decided to direct an adaptation of a property for a change, instead of writing his own screenplay for production on this. It's a changed of pace that might've energized and focused him in a new way.
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He's got the moves, that's for sure. I know Spymunk is championing BooBoo (he had the moves too), but this kid looked pretty solid.
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Was that original? You hardly hear truly original trailer music nowadays. And was that Aasif Mandvi of The Daily Show in the credits? Nice. Had no idea he was in this.
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I prefer The Venture Bros. take on children. Inept.
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Suck to High Heaven.
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That looked pretty cool!
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when they illuminate the place from above? not to speak from the easyness he can blow them out with just one move/punch from his hand.
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From Wikipedia...As a martial artist, he is a black belt in Taekwondo and was a bronze medallist at the 2004 AIMAA World Championships in Dublin.
We already know he's a good actor, and he's obviously a very good martial artist. I'm not sure how he fits as Zuko, but at least he's got the tools to not be an embarrassment like so many actor's trying to pretend to be good at something they've sucked at (especially all the bad movies about musicians).
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he did not create the amazing show and had nothing to do with it's built in audience that's going to see it. Avatar is giving him a huge fucking second chance at his career. It should only have the creators names in the title. He hasn't earned a name next to something much more successful than himself.
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As opposed to a barrage of vaguely related shots edited together quicker than the eye can register them. Kudos for that.
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From what I've seen (three eps) the cartoon is REALLY good, with an orignal, exciting world and mythology. M. Night is fucking awesome when he gets out of his own way, and keeps his hyperego in check. The kid has great moves. I think this will work.
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I didn't notice any ''s' ... looked like it was just his name... I'm too lazy to recheck...
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I don't care how pretty it is. I'm still not seeing this damn movie with its damn White Eskimos.
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..but this trailer was too little, too soon. The studios are in such a hurry to whip up enthusiasm for properties that they crank these teasers out when little, or virtually none of the film has actually been shot, and it shows. That being said the kid looks close enough but his moves lack snap and definition, weak sauce. The cg outdoors shot was even worse and the identical, repeated ships looked completely fake and rushed. Not even gonna get into M. Night and jump on that dogpile, I just can't imagine all these Avatar fans actually think that looked good. It's early, but it's completely underwhelming. Hoping for the best though, the property deserves better than someone with such a crappy track record.
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Child martial arts prodigy does NOT = actor. Where's Aang's sense of fun? The pictures and this trailer show he can dance real pretty, but if you can't identify with him because of overacting, it's going to peel the skin off your eyelids while force feeding you fun.
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People actually have put their faith in M. Knight for this movie? You're nuts! I hope the kid fights some evil plants in this movie.
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Lady in the Water (snore fest), Signs (aliens are harmed by water... yet they come to a planet that is nearly 78% water)...The Village (crap.. beware of construction!)... The Happening (let me apologize to this plant)... Unbreakable (mediocre)... I don't put much faith in this.
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This might be good!!!
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Jun 23, 2009 4:33:03 AM CDT
HE DOESN'T HAVE AN OUTLINE! HE HAS PORES! ITS NOT LIKE THE CARTO
by ironic_name
THIS WILL SUCK! DAMN YOU MICHAEL SOMMERS!
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this isn't one of M Night's 'original ideas'
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In other news, the sequel to THE HAPPENING will be called WHAT'S HAPPENING. It will star an unfunny, heavyset flash-in-the-pan black comedian as Rerun.
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I'm a HUGE fan of the cartoon. And a big fan of M. Night. I know M. Night (and his family) are big fans of the cartoon. I'm thinking he won't shit all over the property. Buuut, I'm not impressed with what I've seen so far in terms of casting and now this trailer. I agree with malificus on this. Its too little, too soon.
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need to see a bit more to make up my mind.I like the Troy type ships throwing the fireballs.
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Just burnt through this series in a few days and loved it. First is kiddy cartoons but it jumps over that bar towards the end of the first series and gets progressively more mature each season whilst keeping the charm and humour intact.
This trailer has me interested. I love M. Night as a film-makers and think he's one of the few auteurs working right now. This has his filmic style all over it and it looks marvelous. -
Shyamalan + James Newton Howard + ILM guarantees a visit to the flicks for this one.
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normally the so called teasers are just shorter versions of the full trailers showing it all. but wow, an actual teaser that doesnt show much...and it might even be one of those teasers were thats footage shot specifically for it and not in the actual movie. i miss those days.
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M. Night hasn't sone anything "amazing" in a decade. Harry, how many times to you have to watch an awful M. Night movie to realize that the guy was a one-hit wonder? There isn't going to be anything "amazing" about this.
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As`bender`is slang for a gay man...
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(puts feet up on computer desk and opens a bag of microwave popcorn)
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...or does "air bender" sound like a euphemism for a fart?
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It's a freakin' TEASER trailer. What the hell do you expect?
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I'd love to see M. Night return to what he started with Unbreakable.
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It has my attention.
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Sham-WOW!
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Made the thing worthwhile. Losing final cut has done wonders for Shyamalan already. That was one hell of a teaser.
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When Night hits the ball he hits itout of the park. Denying his great work in Sense, Signs, Unbreakable, and The Village is ignorant. When he fails its epic like any good director should fail. He's never boring ya gotta give 'em that. I'm not a fan of avatar but I'll check out the movie because of Night.
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You people make me laugh. You come to a movie site, watch commentary tracks on dvd's and have seen all the special features on the LOTR dvds and you think you know what it takes to make an effects heavy film. Guess what? you don't. As a matter of fact, I don't either, but I do know that everyone here throws the word "hack" around like they actually know what it means. Just because you don't like someone's style or they're version of your TOY movie doesn't fit with what you had always imagined, you call them a hack. You should really think about getting so upset over a toy movie or a live action version of a cartoon...excuse me "Anime" cartoon. The fact is, any filmmaker who does those kinds of films, by your definition, is a hack. Real directors, guys who make "art" movies with rich characters and dialog and real human drama are not going to ever make a film like Transformers or The last airbender or The Dark Knight...they won't because it's beneath them in their minds. Do I think the directors of those films are hacks? No, absoulutely not. It takes a special kind of talent to marshall all that tech and turn it into a film, and those people are not hacks. A hack is the guy who fixes your car at the garage. a hack is the guy who drives a taxi, a hack is the guy sitting across from you at comic con who just bitches about everything while never actually DOING anything on his own. You think talking shit about Bay and M. Night and others and talking about how bad the box office and reviews will be makes you sound smart to all the other bottom feeders, but it actually has the oposite effect. It makes you sound sad and pathetic. Why don't you worry less about M. Night getting his "shit together" and try and get yours together instead? I think, hit or miss, Night will be just fine.
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Plenty of people like the Spy Kids movies and all, but doesn't it frustrate most people when notable directors take a movie to make one just for their kids? Wasn't that kind of what Lady in the Water was anyway? I guess there is a bit of demand for this particular franchise to get a film series going, and maybe it will be a substantial improvement over Lady in the Water and/or The Happening, but it looks like a pass.
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WWW.RACEBENDING.COM
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By the way, I have no intention of seeing this film because I have no interest in the kind of movie it is, but I do not feel the need to personally atack Night and call him names and say he's a one trick pony and a hack and a loser and a has been and all that shit. I like Night. I don't always like his films, but I have no ill will towards the man and if he makes something that I find interesting, I'll go see that. Why is it that it has to be all or nothing? Why do we either worship a guy or want his head on a plate? Why is there so much hate towards everybody who makes a film we don't like? And don't give me the tired argument that guys like Night, Bay and McG are destroying movies and raping childhoods and all that sad tired shit. Shitty movies have been around since before sound in film, okay? Every year since film began has seen bad, horrible, shit movies, and it's no worse now than before. These guys make movies that, like it or not, people like. And we can whine and bitch about how dumb people are and stoopid the mass tastes are, and I agree to a point, but the fact remains that they make films people like and at it's core, Hollywood is a business and the dollar will always win.
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Harry didn't your wife say something to the effect of not seeing Asian people in movies. I am sure I read that somewhere on this site. You're a fucking douchebag if you're ok with this BS movie. I guess you can now raise your son to be completely white since you agree Asians should be second class people. Yeah I'm starting shit so bring it on you fucking dumb ass talkbackers.
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mainly because there are some other people M. Night is working with who may reign him in. Plus, the story wasn't written by him, was it? So maybe he can just focus on what he is actually good at (direction). Maybe. I'll be checking it out.
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with the statement "a film by M. Night Shyamalan" because they probably lost half of their audience by that point. I enjoyed Night's first three films but his last three have gotten progressively worse. I've just about given up on him as a director.
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The Happening was a hit at the box office. If you want to talk money then Only Lady in the Water bombed. Night has always made money for the studios that back him. That's a fact..
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I think the day any of these people create art they will learn to take it easy on other fellow artists. Its very difficult and its hard to put yourself on the line. Once you create something and put it out there for the wolves to devour it takes alot of balls to take the criticism both good and bad. There is alot of pressure involved and I'd love to see how they'd buckled under the pressure. Guys like Night and Richard Kelly are living their dreams. Talkback insults mean nothing to them. How many people in the talkback are living their dreams? Are they adding something to the culture they love so much? I for one am trying to contribute with three books I've written and I'm trying to get them published.
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www.racebending.com
And don't let a chubby white kid who hangs out at the karate studio in the mall play a Tibetan/Chinese kid...
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They sure as hell aint drawn to look Asian. Most anime isn't. Maybe if they are drawn asian they will cast asian.
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If you don't like a film or it's premise, don't go see it. Simple. It's all very democratic that way, no one holds a gun to your head and makes you go. If you don't like it, that's your right. Why do you have to go after people who don't share your view? Why are they dumb and their mothers whores and their fathers perverts? You might think that your opinion is the only one that matters and everyone who doesn't agree is wrong, but guess what? That isn't the case, never has been and never will be. Everybody hated Wolverine, everybody said we should boycott Fox for daring to get involved with blocking Watchmen, but in the end, Watchmen tanked and Wolverine is close to 200 million. Is that right? Maybe not, but the people spoke and chose what film they wanted to see. That illustrates perfectly the fact that people like us (yes, I am lumping myself in) have absolutely no power when it comes to saying what films get made and what people do or do not like. I guess it's because we feel so helpless in that fact that we adopt a superiority complex and make ourselves feel better by saying that Bay is a hack and has no telent, even though we go to his movies and hate them the whole time and then get on here and bitch about how much they suck and that we'll never go to another one of his films (until he makes said film, at which point the whole cycle will repeat) and go back to feeling all superior about "our" taste in film. Of course, during all of our bitching, Michael Bay has made 80 million dollars on the first film, bought an effects house, produced 5 other films and drives his 200 thousand dollar car home to his 25 million dollar house and snorts coke off a supermodels stomache. Yeah, I'm sure he really gives a shit what we think of him. And you know what? He will continue to do that because he makes movies that people want to see. You can call him a hack all you want, but I would change places with him in a heartbeat. The guy makes 180 million dollar films on time, on budget and shoots at a rate that most directors only dream of. In the real world, that person isn't called a hack, he's called a professional. Just saying.
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Say what you want about what he puts on screen. I've never seen a director more in control of his set. Watching the transformers features really made me admire the respect he commands on set from everyone involved. That is why studios trust him with 200 million dollar budgets. He puts every penny on screen. Even in a film like Wolverine I'm wondering why such an expensive film looks like it was shot for 40 million dollars.
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I'll see it, always kinda liked this cartoon
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you're such a fucking moron. So you're a fucking expert on animation, art, and have seen every Asian person on the planet and know what they all look like. So every asian person to you should have slanted eyes and dark skin. So animation has nothing to do with portraying innocence and facial expressions (like Disney did). So you're just an uneducated moron who sees a circle with two dots on a piece of paper and says, oh he must be white....fucking idiot.
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If races were accurately reflected in the film, Katara and Sokka would be eskimos! NOT asian.
I think it's very VERY sad that we see a character with large eyes and automatically think him eastern. The world of The Last Airbender is NOT our world. You DO NOT KNOW where certain races would be. Infact, in that world there is Fire, Earth, Water or Air. No asian, western, european etc. Get over it and think for a second. -
never mind...since you thnk BAY has admirable directig traits then you really must be mentally handicapped and I can't rag on someone who's not firing on all cylinders...my apologies...now go have some juice and go to sleep.
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eskimos are asian dipshit...take a fucking history class.
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The main character in Air Bender does not look Asian. Sorry. He's drawn to look like a little white kid. Its a white kids fantasy show anyway so its pretty easy to see why he's drawn that way.
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Your insults speak volumes of your intelligence. Your inability to even debate without resorting to childish name calling means you are just another anonymous internet user who throws around insults.
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See, you are doing it. Thank you so much for proving my point. We don't like the same thing you do? Someone has a view different than yours? Well, spew the hate. We can't be intelligent and we must be dumb. You are just sad. Go ahead, take your shots at me, call me all the names that a 3rd rate comic would call a heckler, make yourself feel better. Go on. Prove the point that bottom feeders are the only people that actually come to this place anymore.
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google it
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I AM SO FUCKING SICK AND GODDAMNED TIRED OF HEARING THAT SHIT!!!!!!!
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You ever seen that family guy episde where they have Tyra Banks ranting on her show and than a giant iguana comes out from her skin? Thats what Iseewhitepeople reminds me of. lol. I mean is it so difficult to see that Bay does have certain talents and not others? It really is all or nothing around here. They beg for movies and than hate them. They love directors one minute and hate them the next. The internet has really made us vicious and insecure.
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2 white kids with tans playing eskimos or asians american kids or native americans playing eskimos?
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You're hung up on the money end of movies...I dont give 2 fucks how much money any shitty director has. I would take art over corporate sanctioned, pandering garbage any day of the week but then again there are very few real artists left in the world of film.
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But it can't be all art all the time. Star Wars sure as HELL is not art but its good. I think we need both kinds of entertainment. But of course fun movies don't have to be dumb to be good. But they don't have to be that smart either. Its a happy medium thats hard to find thats for sure. I think Carolineaprojectionist was just pointing out that those that bash Bay don't realize that he just doesn't care what they think and neither do most movie goers. Its about the ego of the internet fanboy thats gotten out of control. Not so much box office or cash earned by Bay.
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1. If you want a kind debate of intellectual merit go to a different website, this site has never been that. I'm not personaly attacking Night's directorial style or artistic merit, I'm attacking blatantly racist casting. I completely realize other people have different OPINIONS but Racism is nothing but an opinion. It isn't something based on fact. KNOWTHYSELF, I hurl insults at morons like you when you say stupid blanket statements like "they look white" without actually knowing jack shit about how anime evolved (from Disney), and why eyes have to be drawn so big to express emotions easier and innocence and the fact not all Asians have "slanted eyes". It is is a lazy moronic statement. So that's why knowthyself I hurl insults at you cause you're a moron. OH btw I guarantee I'm fucking waaaaaay more intelligent than your dumb ass. Plenty of intelligent people curse to get their point across...look at Goerge Carlin...if you need further proof here's my MENSA membership number...100174701...look it up bitch.
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I'm sorry am I missing something here? So why does an intelligent individual such as yourself waste your time watching a childrens cartoon show? I'm pretty sure your super intelligence is needed elsewhere and yet you choose to waste your time here arguing about the way cartoons are drawn? You're not backing up that Mensa membership and don't you dare compare yourself to George Carlin again. You made me throw up in my mouth when you said that.
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I agree with you completely. Somewhere, someone said that Bay was a hack and had no talent and everyone just latched onto that. They don't know what it means, they don't know really what it is they're talking about, they just know that it's cool to say that and it's not cool to actually like his films. When you call them on it, they all go to the same old tired lines about how he cuts too fast, how the action is so blurry and quick it can't be followed and that he's all style and no subtance, all just parroted back from some film school article they read in some magazine. They don't know what it's like to actually be entrusted with 200 million dollars, a release date before filming even starts and an army of 200 techs to order around, as well as coordinating work with the Millitary and work on bases around the world, dealing with studio people, writers, actors, effects people, making the literally thousands of decisions every day that comes part and parcel with a movie like this. No, it's easier to say that he has no talent and that he's a hack. They've never dont the job to be able to make that assesment, but they feel safe doing it here in the dark hole of the web. Why don't they sign off and go make an actual movie and then they can comment. You know why you never see ACTUAL directors talk shit about other directors? aside from the fact that it's poor manners and poor business? It's because they know how hard it is...how spirit crushing, bone wearying, plain old fucking HARD it is to actually make a movie. Anytime you hear someone talking shit about a director, you can be assured they, by definition, have no idea what they're talking about.
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So I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up.
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I am doing this BECAUSE it's a kid's movie. If this was a movie geared toward adults I wouldn't really care that much. I didn't care about the miscasting of 21 or Memiors of a Geshia Adults can differentiate fiction from reality. Children's world views are fully formed yet. When children see Asian mythologies (yes they were created by Caucasians but they have admitted to blatantly copying Asian myths)where white people save them, or white kids darkened to look ethnic, or eyebrows arched to look ethnic, I believe it damages children's viewpoints.
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From what little was shown... it looks great so far.
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That reminds me of something David Lynch said about not being to watch movies made by his friends. He said he just gets too scared for them lol. Such a sweet thing to say.
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damn fucking typos....oh by the way knowthyself if you didn't mean slant eyes then how do these characters look white to you? Their pale skin then? ummm there are plenty of Asians even paler than Caucasians.
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I was watching the trailer for that MEATBALL movie in front of UP and I was wondering why everyone had to be white. I share your frustrations with that Iseewhitepeople.
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Racial argument aside, (I think it's racist by the way)...this just looks awful. I was a big M Night fan but the village, the happening, lady in the water, and signs were all garbage....really they were.
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I agree that there are very few artist left out there, and if you want art, then I suggest you make some of your own. I am hung up on the money side a little, I guess, but it's because that's what the business is...it's a business. It's not about art, and hasnt been for years. If you want art, you have to get outside of the studio system, that's the only place to do that. That's what Fracis Ford Coppalla did, he left the studio system and is making smaller personal films like TETROS and that's great for him, I love that. But in the studio system, it's about money, smaller oscar bait films aside. I wish it were otherwise, but it's not. I wish it were, but that's not the reality.
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White is the default race when you choose not to give your character any race characteristics at all. Avatar lacks any such details so he defaults to white. If they really cared to give him such an identity he would be drawn more realistically. Satoshi Kon does this so its very much possible also Akira makes it very clear what race the characters are but Airbender does not and since its an American cartoon its very likely he's ambiguous so he could appeal to the white kids as well as the asians and blacks.
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I'm hispanic so I'm all for diversity in films and cartoons. Its a pretty interesting effect this "default to white". For example when an author does not specify a race for his characters we default to white. I mean how many years of white washing did it take for us to do that so automatically? Its probably not right but its kind of how we've been programmed. I'd like to see that change over the years. But its the best explanation, like it or not, for why Avatar is played by a white kid in the movie.
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Are we sure the kid is played by a white kid? I don't know, i'm just asking. If he is, then that does suck. Yet another reason why I have no interest in this movie.
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Is that for all of Bay's talents off screen his soul less traits come off on screen 100%. He seems to have no emotional side and thus his films are void of any real emotion. He's got no artistic soul so his films always feel manufactured and sterile. The saddest thing about Bay is that for such a talented director he's got the emotional range of a fratboy and thats why most of his films lack a real connection with those of us looking for a little more heart with our action films.
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This we can totally agree on. Hollywood has socialized people into equovacating white as the default in fantasy but I hold on to the belief we shouldn't just accept it. African Americans were also played by white people in the past and people were told to accept it but THAT stopped. Why can't it be the same with Asians. As far as akira goes I would have to argue some characters like Keneda and Kay were drawn typically "anime" style and they're japanese.
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yes he is white...there are some claiming he is part Native American...like a sixteenth or some shit like that...therefore making him "ethnic"
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Glad to see we agree on something lol. It was great to see Pixar's UP use some atypical lead characters and its success at the box office to support it is even better. For some reason the white scientist lead in that meatball cartoon really annoyed me. I mean WHY IS HE WHITE? I just kept asking myself that for some reason. The sad fact is is that if you do not go out of your way to specify a race Hollywood will defaul to white. Avatar made this mistake. What can we do?
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by NOT accepting it and letting it disappear into oblivion like Dragonball.
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I agree with you. Michael Bay is a grown up frat boy. I think that's probably why he's so good at these kinds of films, he's like a 13 year old making films for other 13 year olds. He, for some reason, is perfectly tuned into that kind of "wow" gene that boys have. I, for one, think he should stick to these kinds of movies and stay away from the smaller, character driven stuff. And that's the thing, I agree with you about him having no soul...well, I think the same thing applies, I think it isn't that he's souless, it's that he has the soul of a 13 year old boy too..lol. But to ignore the talent it takes to make those kinds of films is a mistake. And after post after post from guys with "creative" names like: zombieheathledger taking shots at him (and others) with the tired old "hack" stamp is just annoying. You might not think it takes as much talent to shoot a movie like Transformers as it does to shoot three people talking around a table, but it does. Sorry, but it just does.
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part of the Avatar story. Its fantasy. Its like expecting the part of Frodo to be played by an Englishman simply because Tolkien was from England. (Although he was born in Africa.)
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oh that hurt coming from a douchebag like you....weren't you the moron that said Terminator Salvation would be the best movie of the year or some stupid shit like that.
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But with people like James Cameron and Steven Spielberg one could make an argument for summer action films that have more heart and soul.
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We were finally having a decent insult-free discussion. Come on lets not go back to that.
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knowthyself, the creators of the show have said in interviews they specifically stayed away from any European themes and such to create something unique and new to American audiences.
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I do actually agree with you about cameron and Spielberg. When they are on their game, no one does it better. I don't know anything about Avatar (Camerons) except that it's coming, and that in itself is a nice surprise after knowing way too much about most films a year out from release. Like I said, I don't know what kind of film it will be, but looking back at the past, almost no film from my younger days had the effect on me that ALIENS did the first time I saw it. The same thing can be said for the first time I saw RAIDERS when I was a kid. Those movies had heart and soul AND slam bang action that made me dig my fingers into the hand rests. The first time I ever saw the trailer for RAIDERS was as a trailer in front of SUPERMAN 2, and from that moment, I was in love with the whole idea of Indiana Jones. Those are two different kinds of films, but they both moved me. Has Michael Bay ever moved me like that? Sadly no, but truthfully, very little ever has. I am always hoping for the best, I hope AVATAR blows me away, Hell, I hope TRANSFORMERS 2 blows me away too, but I don't really think it will. These days I take what I can get. I watched THE WRESTLER and it moved me, but when I go to TRANSFORMERS tomorrow night, even if it doesn't move me, there's still enough of that 13 year old boy in me to go "wow" and just enjoy the giant robots fighting and then go home and sleep like a baby. I'm not looking for a deep emotional impact every time. If I get one, that's great, but i'm not looking for one everytime. Sometimes I just want to go "wow". To put it a little more crude, everytime I have sex i'm not looking for a deep emotional connection. Sometimes I just want to get off. lol.
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And mention the fact that lots of Korean and Chinese animation has the same Disneyfied "large eyes" and yet they also still maintain a slant. So its not out of the question for regular people to see Japan's large eyed characters and wonder if they're supposed to be non-Japanese.
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I would agree with you if Bay films it right. Transformers was poorly shot, in my opinion. I wasn't looking for Shakespeare but the cluttered designs and the frantic filming didn't work for that movie. If you're just gonna concentrate on action sequences then at least film it as opposed to cutting away to Shia and Megan while Bumblebee fights, or filming it so close where you can't differentiate one robot from the other.
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I just hope Shymalan didn't mess with the screenplay much. He is a crappy writer, but as a director I think he's quite good.
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Shyamalan will pwn you all!!!
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Coming from an M. Night fan, I don't know what to think. This couldn't be more different than anything he's done before: Huge effects, adapted material, all-kid cast. I also have never heard of The Last Airbender until recently, so I no nothing about the cartoon. I'm not even a big fan of anime. Having said that, I'm sure I'll check this out (unless the reviews are God-awful). Also, regarding MY stance on M. Night, I do think he has a ton of talent. I'm sorry, but Signs will probably go in my Top 10 of the decade. I absolutely loved that movie. Yes, Lady in the Water & The Happening blew, but I just can't seem him STAYING that bad. Hopefully this flick rejuvenates his storytelling abilities, and gives us some better flicks down the road. One other thing: I also have a ton of respect for him, as he (up until now) has written & directed all of his movies, and they're all ideas from scratch. In the age of Potter/Batman/Spider Man/Transformers/remakes/sequels, he's doing this all from his own mind. That is talent, like it or not. It just needs to be executed better.
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So as you can see, if they could not nail something like the race of the characters, they obviously cannot nail the production values either. And many crappy movies have great CGI (Star Wars Prequels, Terminator 4, Lady in the Water, ect)
Never mind that this kid was chosen on martial arts alone and man did that suck. I'm amazed most of you people thought that the bending was amazing, you guys sound like Harry even though you bashed him. Hay, guess what? Many Asian people auditioned for this film, here is one of them. http://tinyurl.com/l9cb6v THIS is what we could of had on screen pure martial arts wise since Noah was not chosen for his acting. This is and will be a train wreck like DBZ but 10x greater, including the delusional fans that will like anything that has Avatar slapped on it. Funny since that title was also removed too and even more importantly the Hanzi characters from the show that were accurate too boot! Here is why this film sucks. http://tinyurl.com/njopjc Please visit Racebending.com for the real deal behind the scenes info of the train wreck! -
Jun 23, 2009 11:59:23 AM CDT
Iseewhitepeople -- out of respect for this TB.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I shall tell you get fucked by a diseased whore in Thai Town....and go on my merry way.
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so you want me to fuck your mom or your sister?
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Great wit! Great wit! Maybe I have room for you on my staff. Email me for details: dannyglovers.dickblood@gmail.com
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Why the fuck else would you post it? Am I supposed to be impressed its a real life Asian kid doing martial arts?! Yippeee!!!
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Nothing quite so sad as people screaming "RACISM" over the casting of a CARTOON. It was lame when white fanboys cried their round eyes out over Michael Clarke Duncan playing Kingpin, and it's just as lame now when asian fanboys whine about Aang. Do asians have blue eyes? Because the "asian" characters in this "anime" do. I wouldn't have had a problem with an asian Aang, as I don't have a problem with an indian Zuko, but you people (YOU PEOPLE!) just want an excuse to whine about this movie. Honestly, from the little we saw of that teaser, this looks EXACTLY like an Avatar: TLA live-action movie should look. It is a FANTASY world, with mythical animals and characters that exhibit traits of various ethnicities and cultures. This sort of nit-picky whining is on par with PETA complaining about a fly. RACEBENDING.COM? Fandom never ceases to reach new depths of eye-rolling patheticness. I didn't think I'd say it, but on this issue, DGDB is absolutely correct. I can't wait to see what M. Night does with this.
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...isn't wrong on most counts (although you do go about making your point in a douchebagerly way, pal).
The character designs in the series run the gamut (so much as is possible within the structure of anime stylizing) from asexual preteens devoid of ethnic distinction (Aang) to deftly crafted characters (Guru) who do approximate an ethnicity.
Invariably, it is easiest to argue that every lead character in this movie should be played by Korean, Japanese or Chinese (or Laotion, Pinoy, etc, etc) actors, but then the blending of other ethnicities into the film would be that much more jarring (if you know the series, you have to admit Boomi [sp?] was designed as a white kid and the Swamp Benders as, well, white rednecks).
As far as I can surmise from the series, the Air Nomads did not have a societal base to draw from for benders but probably built their ranks from members of the surrounding nations (probably reading too much into the mythology here). But if that is anywhere near close, then even you have to admit that occasionally, as happened within the last decade when a white PNW kid was found to be the reincarnation of a revered Bhuddist monk, then the Air Nomads were likely the most ethnically inclusive nation.
That having been said, this casting decision is just that … a subjective call. The kid must have impressed everyone involved to garner the part. It is not as egregious an insult as casting Chuck Heston as a Mexican lawyer in “Touch of Evil.”
Nor can you deny that, as a matter of logistics, there were more white kids in the casting mix (for God’s sake, Iseewhitepeople, it is L.A., the land where casting moms outnumber soccer moms).
Finally, I’ll put this question to you: If John Woo wanted to get serious and make an authentic “Hamlet” in Hong Kong, would you restrain him to only hiring Danish actors that spoke Cantonese? -
....Avatar is set in an Asian-influenced world[2] of martial arts and elemental manipulation. The show drew on elements from East Asian, South Asian, and Western culture, making it a mixture of what were previously traditionally separate categories of anime and US domestic cartoons. Aang is the fun-loving, 112-year-old protagonist of the series, who is biologically 12 years old, but was frozen in an iceberg with his flying bison, Appa, for 100 years. He is the current incarnation of the Avatar, the spirit of the planet in human form. Aang is a reluctant hero, who would prefer adventure over his job as the Avatar and making friends over fighting the Fire Nation.-----------------------Ummmmmm yeah. So all those dumb fucks crying the kid needs to be Asian-- shut the fuck up. Its a fanciful world with ambiguous origins. Because they fight in a martial arts style, they MUST be Asian? Well that makes YOU pretty fucking RACIST.
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You see Aang as White because you yourselves ARE white. He's not. There isn't a single European person in the entire cast of the show.
The more you go and try to make your point, the deeper your backpacks get.
Here, go read this:
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How the fuck do you know who is and isn't white in here? So you just see everyone as white? After reading about the world and the character, I don't think it fucking matters. He is an incarnation of the spirit of the planet in human form....I didn't know the spirits of planets were nationality specific. SO FUCK OFF.
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Making Zuko of East Indian descent is a nice, daring touch.
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Jun 23, 2009 12:38:52 PM CDT
according to plastroncafe -- EVERYONE HERE IS WHITE!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
You all see yourselves as white!! NOW FUCK OFF!
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Are you, or are you not, Caucasian and male?
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As a huge fan of the show, the teaser makes me excited for a movie that I previous wasn't stoked for.
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Jun 23, 2009 12:42:10 PM CDT
"There isn't a single European person in the entire cast..."
by ebonic_plague
Uhhh... there's no Europeans in the cast because the show is a CARTOON. Europe doesn't exist in that world. Unless you count the voice actors, more than half of them ARE white. What is your point?
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The show was created by a white guy. Most of the voice talent on the show was completed by white actors.
...and I wouldn't have batted an eye if everyone cast for the live-action film was of Asian descent.
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This site needs more complaints, don't you think?
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My point is that all kids should be able to watch a "kids movie" and see themselves up on the screen as the protagonist. Whether that screen be in their living room, or at the theater. One of the better aspects of Avatar was its lack of the standard White Male protagonist. It's a sad commentary on the state of Hollywood that they couldn't recreate that in the theatrical release because of its nonprofitability.
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this trailer was awesome. made me curious. felt epic. made me want to know more. pretty much perfect. on the other hand, i watched both lady in the water and the happening and i know he's totally fucking batshit bonkers.
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plastroncafe is spot on. It is a damn good teaser. I couldn't agree more.
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It's a big deal for the reasons I stated above to ebonic_plague. As for why this bothered me more than say...DragonBall? I never watched DragonBall. For the most part I'm not a fan of Manga/Anime.
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There is a valid argument and protest here. The white creators of the cartoon itself said the characters are based on Pacific Asian ethnicity. This is clearly another pathetic case of Hollyweird whitewash and Shamalamadindong needs to be accountable. We need to boycott racism in all its forms.
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I believe you and Iseewhitepeople are arguing the same point. I responded to him a few posts up. Take a look at it and get back to me. Cheers.
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Here here on post 12:16:15 PM
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This is getting ridiculous. So I'll play Devil's advocate and throw out the game changing question:
Where are the Black actors?
...let it begin anew...
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Except for Gymkata which is Cracker Arts.
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he'll be dead to me.
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How can anyone claim Shyamalan is whitewashing anything when he himself is ASIAN (Indian). A movie is whitewashed when it features an almost entirely multi-racial cast?? What the fuck are you talking about? I've seen the first six or so episodes of the cartoon (a little too kiddy for me)and it's Asian-influenced but no specific culture or "race" can be attached to any of the characters, despite what the creators have said. Hell if anyone could be racist here it's them.
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and most characters played by Will Smiff. Like in I Am Legend and I Robot, the original characters were white. You don't think whitey has a legitimate grievance against that? Think again!
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But not shitting on the guy automatically, either.
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Hollywood is Hollywood, though. All cultures are subjected to the broadest stereotypes of themselves, whether it's aw-shucks whitebread midwestern hicks or rapping gangsta urban minstrel black people. This is something the cartoon can avoid by making Aang such a blank slate... the fact that there is no definitive answer to the question of what race he is allows kids to more easily identify with him. Ideally, I would have liked to have seen a mixed-race kid cast in the role, to personify this ambiguity... but as Bruce Vain pointed out, the reality of Hollywood casting is what it is. Would I have liked to have seen a little more faithfully cast roles for this adaptation? Yeah, but I don't think there are that many Inuit showing up to L.A. casting calls. I just don't think that this would be as specifically offensive a change as, say, DiCaprio as Kaneda in Akira. It doesn't call for an organized boycott, IMO, especially as they seem to have gotten so much else right with this production. But I see your point. -
Jun 23, 2009 1:06:56 PM CDT
ED McMAHON IS ROLLING OVER IN HIS FUCKING GRAVE.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....he loved the yellow bitches.
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Well right off the bat I'm going to disagree that Aang isn't ethnically ambiguous at all. To me? He looks Chinese. I realize mileage may vary there, but...you asked. As for the Hamlet Remake: Yes, it would still be cultural appropriation. And yes, it would still be sketchy. Would it bother me as much as this? No. Why? I'm white and privileged. Because for me there has never a dearth of white characters on stage and screen.
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There's your problem. TO YOU. Who gives a fuck how he looks to you?
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You lost me in using "Hollyweird" (trite) ... now you've just alienated me.
What is your point? Or are you just an ethnic antagonizer?
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You'd have a point if there weren't cattle calls for this movie all over the country. Cattle calls asking for people to come dressed in traditionally ethnic garb, and then not checking checking in the slightest to see whether or not the garb suggested in the press release actually matched the ethnic group they said it did. As for the Boycott? I'll admit that it was far easier for me to say I'd boycott the movie before seeing the trailer. I'm suddenly finding myself kind of wishing it was Summer 2010. Though...that could also be due to the craptastic weather we're having.
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Still not owning up to your own Ethnic heritage and Gender, huh?
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Vietnamese, Cambodian, Burmese Malaysian perhaps. Definitely a Buddhist bent. Maybe even Indonesian pre-Islam.
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I'm sorry, but the trailer I saw was someone acting like they knew martial arts. The whole scene looked unnatural and his movements were not fluid. It a few steps above Jedi Kid in my book.
As for the race. I'm disappointed. But that's Hollywood for you. The simple fact of the matter is that there was some studio exec that made the decision that the protagonist wouldn't sell if he wasn't white. Demographics and poll data. No one wants to go to the movies to see an Asian. Oh, wait--I forgot. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon proved that wrong and launched a wave of renewed interest in Asian films. Naruto, Inuyasha, Ikki Tousen, Shikabane Hime--their popularity stands as a sign that perhaps Hollywood is wrong about that particular assumption. Plus a Martial Arts movie is sooo much better when the people in it actually know martial arts.
You're telling me that out of 4 billion Asians on the planet that you couldn't find 6 or 7 actors to put in a movie? Oh sure--you could use the argument that they might not speak English--but I point out that Antonio Banderas did Desperado without speaking English at the time. He learned his lines phonetically.
The arguments just don't add up. Hollywood claims to be about equality and social consciousness but they fail to live up to that image when it actually comes to practicing what they preach.
For those who use the argument that the voice actors of the cartoon were not white--that's because voiceover acting it's more necessary to find a voice because it's a part of the entire image. The visual style of Avatar, the principles, philosophies are distinctly Asian and the studio should have been true to that.
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Dis sum racist cracker boolshit up in dis muhfucka.
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What you see is what you see. And I honestly agree (Nepalese for sure). But I think that has more to do with my innate assumption that any character in anime is Asian.
Still, what makes you think he should have been cast as a Chinese kid? The clothes made Carradine...but that's another can of worms...
As a fan of the show, I'm still willing to give this white kid a shot. I'm hoping the casting directors chose the kid who did the best in the audition. I'd hope you'd see it the same way.
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Does Wayne Brady have to smack a bitch?!?!
Lol. Enjoyed your response, dude.
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Oh I didn't see you asked. I'm half Italian, half Mexican myself. But I just look white. Shameful huh?"Still not owning up to your own Ethnic heritage and Gender, huh?" You are a slimy little prick, aren't you? What the fuck is your point? I want every kid in a film to look just like me? Yeah right. Thats exactly what I want. Really its as simple as me not being the kinda fucktard that sees an Asian inspired world and an Anime sensibility and natural assumes the actors MUST be Asian. Fuck off with that nonsense. And at the end of the day...who gives a fuck what you think. The films in the can.
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But that's the thing, it's not another can of worms. It's the same can with a fresh label for the New Millennium.
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It's going to take one hell of a movie for me to get over The Happening. That may have been the worst movie I have ever seen.
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"Really its as simple as me not being the kinda fucktard that sees an Asian inspired world and an Anime sensibility and natural assumes the actors MUST be Asian. Fuck off with that nonsense. And at the end of the day...who gives a fuck what you think. The films in the can."
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That bitch got what he deserved.
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This isn't 1960's Hollywood. If it were, Night would be working the table in catering rather than being behind the camera and in the production seat.
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...where's the offended outrage about the indian guy playing Zuko? Zuko is very obviously ethnically Asian (I would say Japanese, but then Spymunk will call me racist, for some reason) in the cartoon. Is it only racist casting when a white guy is cast in a role that was intended to be a specifically different ethnicity? -
You have never tried anything dangerously kinky?
Please, a little respect for the dead, mate.
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You're the one who brought up Carradine, the guy who stole the leading role in Kung Fu from Bruce Lee of all people.
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Hahahahaha. DAMN WHITE DEVILS!! You are hilarious. Keep going.
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Keep up. Zuko was recast after SlumDog won all those Oscars. Originally Zuko was also being played by a white actor.
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5/10. Keep trying.
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From what I know, and I may be wrong, he never "stole" anything. He accepted a job.
He was a working actor offered a part. Lee wrote it for himself for sure, but again, the '60s aren't the '00s.
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That would be outrage worthy, especially if it was the Disney chode I think it was. But it doesn't address my question. Is it still racist for Patel to play Zuko, or only a whitebread H.S. Musical douchebag?
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Okay, you have a point. My word choice was harsh. But you can't really make the argument that the '60s are all that different than the '00s when Yellow Face is still a problem.
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You're totally right. I found proof. http://tinyurl.com/lq2rga
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I won't quote stats off the top of my head (since I don't have the books in front of me), but prior to, I believe 1972, 96% of all actors on film were white.
I think we are all getting hung up on ethnic identity. Apparently, Felicia Reshad is playing a white woman on Broadway right now. I'm not seeing an uproar anywhere.
Having grown up in one of the most ethnically diverse burbs in the nation, I only care that we are all Americans.
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The short answer is, Yes. That while the new choice of Patel for Zuko is leaps and bounds better than the original casting, there are still issues present.
1) It takes the ethnically Chinese-inspired Fire Nation and populates it with Indian actors. No, Hollywood, one brown person does not fit all.
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Thats what we need to find out.
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As a White person in America you have that privilege.
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Also.....look at Unbreakable, only non-white cast member = VILLAIN. I think you're onto something.
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Sorry...what privilege is that?
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Here, I'll link you to it again so you don't have to do all that messy upscrolling:
http://www.uakron.edu/centers/conflict/docs/whitepriv.pdf -
Jun 23, 2009 2:02:54 PM CDT
Philadelphia = 44.9% Black or African American
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Yet Shyamalan films would have us believe every male citizen looks like Mel Gibson or Bruce Willis. Sickening.
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Haven't left yet but looking forward to the link...unfortunately the one you sent directed me to an error page.
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He has cast himself as a doctor in both The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable! So now all Indians-Americans are doctors? Stereotype much?
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I don't give a fuck what race he is in the movie as long as he doesn't speak with the cartoon character's LISP. Seriously.
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/bgcjzg
Try that. If that doesn't work, Google (Or Bing, if you're so inclined): "Invisible Backpack" Peggy McIntosh -
http://www.racebending.com/raceinavatar.php
The casting sheet for the four lead protagonists
The casting sheet clearly calls specifies Caucasian actors over 'any other ethnicity'. To an actor's agent, this signifies a preference for Caucasian actors. Non-white actors can apply, but they chances of getting the role are slim-to-none. This completely eradicates the myth that they chose 'the best actor' for the role. In fact, the actor they wanted was Caucasian, and that's what they got. -
That's exactly why I think that Zuko's casting is more of a problem than Aang's. But most of the outrage is all about Aang being white, which I don't see being as big of a deviation from the original depiction in the cartoon as Patel as Zuko. It seems to me that this is more about NOT wanting to see white people cast than it is about casting to fit the characters from the cartoon. And since none of them were going to be Inuit anyway (let's be real), I don't see why it's such a huge disgrace to cast generic white people in the roles rather than equally-miscast generic brown people.
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...thats what plastroncafe said they were, and he's been right about everything else so far.
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all the bad guys are brown
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and yet none of them AREw white. fuck off.
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ha. Fair point. I did do history...just didn't remember that.
Still, point remains...if you compare the map of the avatar world to our world..it's DIFFERENT! shock horror. I'd prefer (and hope for) people who can act over people who look authentic but are bad actors. i'm not saying all asians are bad actors, just that i'm not against this and think people should get over it - it's hollywood ffs! they've done worse! memoirs of a geisha anyone?? -
http://www.racebending.com/rac einavatar.php The casting sheet for the four lead protagonists The casting sheet clearly calls specifies Caucasian actors over 'any other ethnicity'. To an actor's agent, this signifies a preference for Caucasian actors. Non-white actors can apply, but they chances of getting the role are slim-to-none. This completely eradicates the myth that they chose 'the best actor' for the role. In fact, the actor they wanted was Caucasian, and that's what they got.
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I'd take the first IF they were better actors.
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Than Zuko does. But there is more outrage over his being white than Zuko being Indian.
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OUTRAGED!!!
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Why is that bad necessarily? You know who else was kind of pretentious and egotistical--Hitchcock. And he's one of the greatest directors of all-time. Night may be a dick but critique the movies and not the guy. Other than maybe LITW I don't feel a "pretentious" vibe in his films. On the contrary he has the balls to inject real humanity in fantastical situations in an era where that's completely out of style.
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everybody's bitching that Aang, a supposedly east asian character is cast as a white kid (is he, I can't tell), but no one is bitching about Zuko, another supposedly east asian charecter, being cast as an Indian actor. To me it's just more prejudice. Listen. I'm white. I'm origiinally from the Midwest. And I have had to bust my ass since I was 14 years old for nearly everything I have (half my college tuition aside thanks to responsible parents who gave a fuck). I'm fuckign sick of this "white people are the enemy" shit. Just fuck off.
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http://www.racebending.com/rac einavatar.php
The casting sheet for the four lead protagonists The casting sheet clearly calls specifies Caucasian actors over 'any other ethnicity'.
To an actor's agent, this signifies a preference for Caucasian actors. Non-white actors can apply, but they chances of getting the role are slim-to-none. This completely eradicates the myth that they chose 'the best actor' for the role. In fact, the actor they wanted was Caucasian, and that's what they got.
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What you say implies they barred any Asians or blacks from auditioning at the door.
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Jun 23, 2009 2:58:43 PM CDT
do you think Rathbone, Jesse McCartney and the chick had to audi
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i think noah was the only who really had to audition...
the other original cast members were handpicked.. and handpicked to be white...
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all i'm asking... is why asian americans and native americas did not get a fair shake at these roles...
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I don't even know who Rathbone and the chick are, and I don't know why they'd be handpicked. But don't you think Night had something to do with that? Are you suggesting he's just a tool of the white man by allowing it?
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You're assuming they weren't given a fair shake. This is America. Everyone gets a fair chance. The casting agents, if they did their job properly, picked people who were best fits for the roles while also being better box office draws. The races were changed in this to be white, East Asian, and Indian looking. Its more multicultural than the cartoon was. Doesn't *that* give everyone a fair chance?
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Jun 23, 2009 3:11:47 PM CDT
Dood......if they didn't get a fair chance....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....thats because Shyamalan went in with the intention of casting a white kid in the lead role. Does that mean he has an agenda, or he is racist, or he is the white man's puppet? No. Get the fuck over it. And this whole idea that studios don't cast Asian-Americans because they don't make money.....if thats the case, does that mean its a racist agenda? It has nothing to do with the specific ethnicity, it just has to to with the fact that white-bread Brad Pitt-esque leads sell. Don't blame the studio. Blame YOU...the paying customers. If the public demanded films with more diverse leads, and those films became profitable, you can bet fuck thats what the studios would start pumping out.
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im demanding a diverse lead for this movie
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Nemo is supposed to be a Hindu prince, for goodness sake!
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STOP MESSING WITH THE SOURCE MATERIAL!!!
how would u guys feel if Gandalf was black and the hobbits were mexican???
but since it's just a stupid cartoon with asian characters in it... its fair game to mess around with it... coz asians are not appealing to the american media...
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How can the lead role be "diverse?" Should multiple people of various ethnicities play Aang? Because otherwise you have to narrow it down to one guy. And that's been done, it's the kid who M. Night says gave the best audition, he happens to be white. It wasn't a crime against racial equality to make Kingpin black, it's not a human rights violation to make Aang white. Get over it. The only thing missing from this talkback is one of those useless online petitions. Get to work, mazuzu.
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i just hope in the future... asian americans get a shot at being the lead character...
coz so far hollywood has a terrible track record...
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Jun 23, 2009 3:46:42 PM CDT
BLACK GANDALF = would've made ROTK less fucking boring
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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You know you want to see it!
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....I might check it out. That sounds pretty White Vader to me.
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let's face facts.
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God bless this country and our place in time in space that anyone, regardless of their creed or ethnicity, can show their bigotry proudly.
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Jun 23, 2009 3:58:37 PM CDT
I would have liked to have seen a Japanese Zuko, too...
by ebonic_plague
...but I'm willing to give M. Night the benefit of the doubt in his decision to cast Patel. Same with this Noah Ringer kid. Instead of condemning this sight unseen (the AICN way!), I'll wait to see more of this production to make up my mind whether or not it will be good enough to get my butt in a seat. But so far, so good. Also, while I'm at it... am I correct in judging the Fire Nation to be more Japanese influenced than anything else? Seems odd to want a Korean guy to play Zuko, then, if we're going to nitpick. Wasn't that a criticism of Cho's casting as Sulu? Where's AsimovLives when you need him...
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Those guys at least made intelligent points...unlike this yahoo Mazuzu
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Gandalf: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Sam "Gandalf" Jackson: "YEAH HE DESERVES TO DIE, AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HAYELL!!!" -
Dude, what is your problem, you are making more racist statement and supositions about this than anyone involved with the film. Aang in the cartoon looks completely caucasian and even has blue eyes. All of the "races" in the show are a hodge-podge of features and characteristics. The skintones have a very limited pallet and the characters have various hair and eye colors. All of which I'm sure was specifically designed to not make them resemble any specific race in order to avoid crap like you are spouting off. Yes, obviously it all takes place in an asian inspired fantasy world but again it's just mix and match as to not specify a particular culture and especially not to make a specific culture look like the bad guys. The kid in the trailer looks exactly like the character in the cartoon. You are making complete assumptions on the race and ethinicity of the characters.
And Dragonball, come on. If you want to get on a high horse about other anime shows that take place in Japan even though the character designs look like 100% honky cracker white people thats fine but Dragonball, DBZ and DBGT don't take place on our earth, There is only on continent in Dragonball and Goku is an alien. He doesn't have to look asian at all. Granted the original story is based on a Chinese legend the show strayed away from that and stayed away from that early on. You are just projecting your own racial views on these properties. -
Jun 23, 2009 4:26:51 PM CDT
oh my god...I just heard Ed McMahon has passed.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
http://tinyurl.com/mzr9k6
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It has some very strong moments, but the twist is pathetic. The mother's last words tell her challenged brother to beat the alien to death? As if they couldn't have figured that out. An alien invades your home, you know it's hostile, you try to shoot it, stab it, beat it to death. No need for the prophetic last words of a woman squashed between a car and a tree.
Also, the whole "His lungs were closed, the poison didn't get in" thing was crap. Asthmatics generally can't breathe OUT; that's why they perform poorly in peak-flow tests. The poison would have gone in and stayed in, most likely. So that's two pieces of nonsense at the climax.
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Jun 23, 2009 4:31:15 PM CDT
M Night Shyamalan? Wait- I thought we as human beings were igno
by particularly hard vato
I mean, how many times do we have to learn the same lessons? He sucks- don't watch his trailers, don't view his movies- don't discuss his work. End of story. He is dead to all humanity.
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It's a fucking american cartoon. It was never classified as an anime. Get the fuck over with this asian shit. We are ignoring the fact that most of the fucking animes out there draw their characters in reference to white people. But nooooo, they should be asian in the real life version or they are racist. Fuck you.
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Would have been fucking epic, except it would have distracted everyone from the plot. The one shortcoming of having Sam "The Man" Jackson in a movie.
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no, fuck you! your statement just completely contradicted what the creators have said, the evolution of anime, and basic common sense. So you've met EVERY Asian on the planet and therefore deemed Anime as looking like white people. So you know white people with eyes covering 3/4ths of their face like an anime character? Really? Now go to bed kid grown ups are talking.
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MR. FTW the eyes colors are a designation of their bending ability not their race. Aang doesn't have blue eyes, they're hazel, Sokka and katara are blue cause of water bending...if you've seen blue in Aang then adjust your tv cause you're seeing it wrong dumbfuck...
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The foundations of all "anime" character designs are based on the Disney classics animation which solely depicted caucasian people. The big eyes are just an exageration of style that developed but has it's roots in the Disney style. Like it or not most animecharacters are depicted as "white" whether or not they really are. Naruto from Naruto and Ichigo from Bleach are two main stream examples. They are Japanese characters but have absolutely no physical asian characteristics what so ever. So yes, most not all but most anime characters look like white people.
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Aang is going to be played by a really talented kid named Noah Ringer--he's phenomenal. We used his motions for an animated short called "Ninja Toy" while he was auditioning for the part. You can check out the video and see more of what he's about at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2I1Wbr-i7g
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I don't want Sam Jackson as Gandalf or fucking Nick Fury cause then it gives a bunch of morons an excuse to make every FUCKING thing whitewashed like they're doing now.
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Christ read some details before expousing BS. THE large eyes copied from DISNEY was not a racial designation. THey were copied from BAMBI a FUCKING DEER! The large eyes were a way of expressing innocence. Whether you want to say Naruto being caucasian is a completely different argument. I would concede that. Shit if you want to go as far as thinking Ichigo as CAucasian I'll even throw that one in for you (but you do know it's called BLEACH for a reason dumbass). BUT TO blanket an entire art style from a couple of examples without looking at the story line or other clues of the anime is completely moronic. If the intent was to make Aang caucasian like the way you believe NAruto and Ichigo were made, then why didn't they give him blonde hair(he grew hair in a couple of episodes and it was black).
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YOu cannot just say blanket statements about an entire art form on either side. Many people argue that Cowboy Bebop should be all asian. I disagree. By looking at the names and other racial clues in character I would surmise they all could be played by mixed or completely caucasian actors. Last Airbender has a medievil/fantasy setting. It is completley different from Bebop and has racial clues that all point toward Asian. The dress, the hair color, the writing(it's straight Chinese, not a language based on Chinese but straight Chinese), the religious themes and on and on. Christ just look at how both the actors shown in this trailer have their eyebrows arched to give their eyes an "asian" look....i'm sorry but that is Soooo fucking wrong.
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You are right about Bambi but the look and design of Snow White and Pinoccio were major influences that both Predate Bambi. Post Bambi Alice in Wonderland, Cinderella and Peter Pan also influenced the character design of anime. I'm not trying to throw down with you in the talkback but maybe it's you who needs to check their facts. I only used Naruto and Ichigo as examples and even said not all but most. There is a lot of anime and mange where the character designs are asian in physical characteristics but the over whelming majority is not. I used those characters as examples because unlike Cowboy Bebop those characters are specifically asain and Ichigo is Japanese but their traits are anglo. They don't have pink, blue or green hair or pink or yellow eyes or anything like that.As far as Aang goes I pointed out that that even though heavily asian influence the characters designs themselves are non race specific. Yes, Aang has black hair but he also has blue eyes. So what would you prefer a white kid that they make look a little more asian or an asian kid they make look more white?
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The matching hand-held moves is impressive. Good texture too.
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Holy sweet Jesus. You are beyond debate, ain't ya?
I assumed you were a bloke that could be debated.
I reckon I was wrong.
Hopwever, you seem to be dead set on putting Asians above others.
In the long run, that makes you a bigot.
Having lived in Japan for years, and seeing how little the population cares for stereotypes, you seem to be arguing from a point of ignorance.
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Jun 23, 2009 6:21:26 PM CDT
Iseewhitepeople, I see you're still going on about large eyes...
by d.vader
While completely ignoring my post to you way up above on the subject.
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All the character designs are definitevly anime...and therefore Asian. And therefore ambiguous.
And, dipshit, at least half the written characters shown in Avatar are Japanese (I know "tea shop" in kanji when I see it).
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http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/seussjap.jpg
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Thank fuck!
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Don't take one....they are fucked up in the head. But pound the piss of that cunt.
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...are you a cumsucking spoiler?
You've added nothing to this argument since you joined it.
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This movie is so racist. There are not enough white people in it. The role of Zuko was stolen from a better qualified white actor and given to that slumdog chai wallah. That is racial discrimination! I am starting an online petition to boycott the film due to the filmmakers racism. I will be posting the link to the petition ASAP.
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Get your petition going! I'm sure it will be an overwhelming success and clearly not the complete and total waste of time 99.9% of people think it will be!
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Just playing the agent provacateur ....
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...glad that was your retort. Seriously, it put a smile on my face.
Honestly, I am looking forward to more of your posts.
Cheers, mate.
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..."fuckin' with ya" Legolas. Sam Gandalf Jackson explaining Gimli's attitude to the dense elf.Oh yeah, this movie ROCKS! Dev Patel for BIlbo!
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That short was great. Also, M.Night deserves a chance with this. People bitch about him, but at least he's making a film based upon a pre-existing property. And I actually loved The Village, it's my second favorite film of his after Unbreakable. I even thought LITW was an interesting failure, which is more than I can say for most shit out there. The guy knows how to tell a story and BUILD SUSPENSE, something few directors today have any clue how to do.
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It's all for shitz n' giggles. Which is what the world needs most.
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Color me impressed. I didn't realize Dragon Ball did enough money to make a sequel.
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...the greatest animated action series of all time. Better than STAR WARS. At least equal to LORD OF THE RINGS. Deny it and you're ignorant.
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I call shenanigans. So there aren't enough Asian PROFESSIONALS to fill Asian roles? The Director of Photography BETTER be Asian. For fuck's sake!
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Hollywood got it half-right, at least!
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Jun 23, 2009 11:53:46 PM CDT
Are those Fire Nation soldiers climbing up the cliffs?
by ye not guilty
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...that get blown the fuck off the edge of the cliff at the end of the trailer. Cool!!
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He actually said that Zuko being portrayed by Patel is racist because it makes the non-white the villain. Except if he wasn't so busy being a race-baiting douchebag, he might realize that Zuko and his Uncle Iroh are THE FUCKING HEROS of the series. WTF....Moron
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m night directed the original 'star wars kid' video
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AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER is better than STAR WARS in every concievable way. So suck a dick if you have missed it.
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iseewhitepeople claims that Sakka's eyes are blue to match his water-bending skills....except he doesn't have any water bending skills. Douchebag #2.
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And yes, I think that Aang should be Asia.... wait, does that mean the fire kingdom are all punjabs? And the air nation is... white....sooo... Are the earth kingdom black???...and the water tribe Asian... or they were white too... This is all a bit shit. Also did anyone else thing that kids martial arts was a little stale? Ive seen House do more impressive things with his cane during a differential. they better not screw up the martial arts... Trailer gets 6/10. a pass.... for now
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http://derekkirkkim.blogspot.com/2009/01/new-day-in-politics-same-old-racist.html
www.racebending.com
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ummm dude All the water tribe has blue eyes regardless if they bend or not just like the entire FIre nation has gold eyes. It's not a racial designation it's an element affiliation. Do you even WATCH the fucking show? So does that make you Douchebag Prime!?
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I read Iseewhitepeople's post. He's right. Each nation is an elemental nation with their eye color matching their elements therefore their bending abilities. You don't see a person with gold or green eyes bending water. So you say he got the bending aspect wrong therefore his entire argument is wrong? How old are you 12? You want to affiliate eye color with racial markers when it is CLEARLY an elemental marker in which the CREATORS have said themselves in DVD extras. Yes Zuko and Iroh are heroes BUT THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES in the fire nation that are. SO the ENTIRE FIRE nation will be brown and BAD GUYS! Plus Zuko will not even be a good guy in the first movie. It's like you're trying to find any nitpicking excuse to make them white when you ignore the argument being made.
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should read "nitpicking excuse to make them Caucasian" not white...before you morons start bitching...yes Indians are Caucasian...if that confuses you look it up.
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I deny it. Every person who is nutty for an anime show feels the same way about it as you do Airbender. You're all wrong. I'm glad you like your cartoon, but to say it's on par with Lord of the Rings, or better than Star Wars, is kind of retarded.
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the elephant in the room, is that the people who have the real problem with 'yellow face' are the people WITH the 'yellow face'. Aka the asian animators who remove all asian characteristics from their drawings of asian characters. There is a whole plethora of asian art out there that depicts asians that *actually look asian* without being offensive or charicaturish. Yes, it's true kids, you can actually draw Asian people that are not only identifiable as asians, but you can even draw them specifically enough to tell a drawing of a chinese person from a drawing of a japanese person. Anime artists are fully capable of doing this, but instead choose to draw their 'Japanese' characters with distinctly white characteristics. But the real heart of the arguement we're having in this thread, is that you guys are argueing something you don't even really believe deep down inside. You don't really believe anime characters 'look asian'. Because if you do believe that, then how come you're not watching the Batman or Justice League cartoons and asking why all the characters look asian? Because deep down, you're just lying to yourself, and I suspect there is a certain measure of subconscious self-loathing involved.
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We can blame the nips for that.
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...but I digress.
Sokitome and Iseewhite people are wrong about eye color. Eye color denotes lineage...not nation affiliation. Swampbenders have grey eyes (not unlike Aang's).
Perhaps this film should have had an all Asian cast (including Punjabis...since they are Asian as well ... technically) so that this TB string would never have come into existence.
I hate, hate seeing Asians acting like backwoods crackers in throwing down the race card. Maybe this country hasn't come as far along as I thought.
P.S. The kid playing Aang looks darn good in the role. But I'll admit that time will tell. -
"Yes Zuko and Iroh are heroes BUT THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES in the fire nation that are."
Well, I'll give it to you that I didn't watch the Avatar DVD extras (because, well I'm not 12). However, since you did I was wondering if you could explain the above statement. The "only" good fire benders? Really? Zuko's mom, the priest who helped them Jeong Jeong (who was part of the elder's who saved the day in the end)? How about all the kids Aang interacted with? Nope, I guess they're all evil and I just imagined it. Just like how I'm imagining an Indian film maker used Indian and Iranian actors to play the fire nation because it's really some kind of a white plot to make non-white people seem evil.
Yup, people like me are obviously the problem. -
Saw the teaser a few days ago, just finished the first season. Splendid. I go to the theaters about 50 times a year, so this movie is definitely on my watchlist. That said certain movies suck. Transformers 2 started off nice but got boring about halfway through.
MNS is a decent film director, better a director than an actor, that said, he's talented enough to actually make a film, there in lies the power to cast a film. The film is made in hollywood, do you actually think the studio would allow him to cast an asian lead. It's not racist, its business. Money talks son, you dont like it dont watch it. Quit your crying and stop writing Iseewhitepeople. Mensa Number, who gives a fuck, your a bitch and now everyone knows it. And Signs fucking ruled. Quit dissing on it. The happening give it a c, but i still spent my money on it. As long as it has cool ass Matrix kung fu and the chase is on, I'll be happy.
As for the color of there eyes and the tans, Before photos don't show this and you don't know what he's doing.
The teaser looked good enough for me to watch the first season and then read all of this crap and then follow it up with a talkback.
Yo if someone comes across the script post that shit, i read that its a trilogy based on all three seasons.
By the way, if you post first that just means you nerdiest fuck here. -
http://www.hd-trailers.net/blog/2009/06/26/the-last-airbender-teaser-trailer/
Ok, i'm quite advertising that page, but since i stumbled upon it, I just had to add that NewsFeed, and i never got disappointed in it
http://www.hd-trailers.net/blog/feed/
Now I'm wondering how they're doing the World of Avatar: The last Airbender, as it seems quite accurate even to the Firenations Battleships.
But I certainly think it's gonna be way more better than CartoonNetworks Ben10-Movies(the first was only at an typical Cartoon-Episode-Level). -
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