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Holy Jesus! Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND is going to scare the crap out of women, children, men and animal alike!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Yes, Alice in Wonderland is an inherently creepy story. The TV movie from the '70s or '80s scared the shit out of me. The Disney cartoon isn't as scary as seeing Lewis Carroll's nightmare creations running around as real creatures, but it's trippy itself. Tim Burton's vision of Carroll's story is going to be a walking, talking nightmare.
USA Today has a story that features some interactive production art and the stills of three characters. I've included Depp's Mad Hatter below. Which, by the way, confirms we nabbed the first look at the man back in November of last year!
Click through to see the production art as well as the Gacy-clown-make-up-ish Red Queen (Helena Bonham Carter) and Anne Hathaway as the White Queen.
Fucking scary, right? I saw some stuff at ShoWest as well and the Cheshire cat is also terrifying. Seriously. I love that, though. Burton seems to have the perfect style for this universe and I've been screaming for studios to start making scary children's films again (especially Disney, who have a history with them).
This is gonna be a horror show, but that's a good thing. What do you folks think?
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Great contribution Amazing G. Now tell us what you really think.
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*HONK* *HONK*
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I just can't help myself, when I see the opportunity I just have to take it!
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Let me guess, more fucking dancing skeletons?
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TDK's Joker. I heard Depp was a fan of that performance like the rest of the world so I imagine he based it loosely.
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it's too bad they never made a movie of that, but I hear they're making a sequel
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Looks like he's bringing his 'A–Game'.
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Lol. Words of truth.
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Been waiting for some good news about this flick.
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That shit will haunt my dreams.
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The only great movie he ever made was Ed Wood. Talk about overrated.
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Looks kind of dumb to me. Just real, I don't know. Lame.
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Ed Wood was a great movie. But I'm not holding my breath for this one.
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anyone who denies the awesomeness of PeeWee's Big Adventure is a confirmed idiot
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Fuck you, Zombie Mad Hatter!BLAM!BLAM!
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I like how it's twisted, but still pretty and not over the top scary like the American McGee version, of course that Red Queen is indeed scary as hell, yikes
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Might we get a reboot of the Roger Rabbit series starting with a Jessica Rabbit porno?
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It's like seeing a hobbit on acid (as opposed to normally seeing a hobbit).
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I don't know if that is intentional but it is creepy.
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... the possessed Regan McNeil and Harry Knowles.
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that Jessica Rabbit makes me funny in pants
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sucked. Scissorhands..sucked. Both of his Batmans...sucked. Mars Attacks...sucked. Sleepy Hollow...sucked. Planet of the Apes...beyond sucked. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory...sucked. Am I forgetting any other suckfests.
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... but I have to say, this one looks amazing. Hope the story lives up to the production art/design and costumes and makeup. Now if only it wasn't in 3d...
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thanks for confirming it
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been 15+ years since Burton made a decent movie
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damn
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I am just sick of his Danny Elfman musical score, his off beat bullshit, I mean I am just fucken fed up.
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CRYPT KEEPER GOTTA EAT
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predictable.
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Your mom (I keed)
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that Burton was gonna make a Wizard Of Oz movie, think he'll do that next?
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I think the scariest dream I ever had was of this cartoon wolf (like the one in the Twilight Zone Movie) chasing me in a dark movie theater. It scared the crap out of me and that shot of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum gives me that same sick feeling in my stomach. I am afraid to miss it. Tim better not let me down again. PLEASE!!!!
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Fuck's that gotta do with Burton? Well, yes, that sounds like an awesome movie but what brought that out?
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good Johnny Depp, you look pretty cool
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all style, no substance. Wow look at all them pretty colors.
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All Johnny Depp in make-up, no substance.
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it has to with Danny Elfman, not Tim Burton, someone mentioned Elfman and I remembered he did the main theme for that series
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It was a good joke because it really fucking does. Respect.
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..and Burton live NEXT DOOR to one another with a door between their houses, because they don't think they can live together?They're a strange couple. Still, if it wasn't for Burton (and MCG) Bonham Carter wouldn't have worked for the last few years.
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a bad porno.
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JK Looks cool & creepy.
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Looks like Elijah Wood got fucked by Carrot-top
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how is it if i turn my brain off?looks cool to me.
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And Charlie and the Chocolate factory was an abomination. But I still have some faith in Burton.
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it does look a little Madonna-ish. The last photo of Depp as the Hatter someone in that talkback nailed as looking like Bernadette Peters. This should be pretty good. I'm ignoring how much I hated Sweeney Todd. So I'm still expecting much from this one. So far the look hasn't disappointed.
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Depp in Wonka = ABSOLUTE SHIT.So....I dunno. You tell me.
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Theres one I forgot...sucked
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Does Depp do 3-ways with Burton and his wife?
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went down slightly better with a second viewing.
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for this universe" Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what everybody said back in 99 while he remade SLEEPY HOLLOW. Then in 01 when he remade PLANET OF THE APES. Then in 05 when he remade WILLY WONKA. And we all know what happened there. BAD, BAD, BAD movies. Christ, Tim, do something original for a change. You best films come from ORIGINAL stories. BEETLEJUICE, SCISSORHANDS, ED WOOD, BIG FISH.
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there was serious talk of a Beetlejuice sequel that would take place in Hawaii?If I remember correctly, the cartoon show was going to have a bit of an influence on it.
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And Depp just looks stupid.
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I do wonder why He and Depp work together so often.
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Mad Hatter, but it looks like it should be a pretty sweet adaptation otherwise.
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and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe, all mimsy were the borogroves, and the mome raths outgrabe. So the Tweedles are in it, so I'm assuming it will be a mish-mosh of AIW and 'Through the Looking Glass.'
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Jun 22, 2009 12:49:39 AM CDT
Wait..Helena Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp in a Burton movie?
by disfigurehead
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That was pretty good, mostly due to Michael Keaton. I forgot about Big Fish, that wasn't too bad either.
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The one with the Jabberwocky. So may nightmares.
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It doesn't matter how good this movie will be. The bottom line is it's just more fodder for brooding teenage girls. There are going to be a lot of black t-shirts and ironic pink backpacks with Depp's face plastered on it once this film drops. Fuck. You. Burton.
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Tim Burton's best film as others have indicated. But I am getting tired of him. It is mostly that jerk off Danny Elfman, I can't stand his music anymore. Just Blows.
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After reading the description I realize this movie will be not even close to either book.
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Scary INDEED!!!!
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a shipment.
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Yes sir, you gandered!
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Needed to retire after he wrote the Simpson's theme song.
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And yet I might see this...
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Jun 22, 2009 1:03:26 AM CDT
Yeah that 80s made for tv one was scary as fuck.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
The whole fucking thing seemed like it was a dark. And that fucking beast busting through the floor in the party at the end.....crazy shit.
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i dunno, something about his face reminds of of elijah wood. anyway, does anyone have a fucking link to the cheshire cat? can't find one on the net.
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So I'm really looking forward to this one. :)
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DANNYGLOVERS DICKBLOOD?
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Jun 22, 2009 1:06:43 AM CDT
I think it'll be uninterestingly shot and predictable at every t
by industrykiller!
Are we not over this yet? If Burton had done anything in his last, I dunno, 8 films that even hinted that the Burton of yesteryear isn't dead under a pile of money then maybe I would be excited. But Burton has been churning out Burton-lite tripe for like 13 years now. Moreover I think Sweeney Todd proved that even when his production design is top notch his camera and sense of vision is as boring as hell. Im hoping to be proven wrong ehre but I wouldnt bet money ont hat if I were you.
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Jun 22, 2009 1:08:24 AM CDT
You can't possibly think Sweeney Todd is a masterpiece
by industrykiller!
Unless you are really that entertained by Edward Gorey-esque costumes. Then again if you think Johnny Depp should play the Joker in Batman 3 what the hell am I expecting?
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Finally Burton is back doing what he does best. Cant wait, hope it's a return to form.
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You're a cunt, ironic_name. There's a flop for ya.
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The next Lightsaber
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Is DEFINITELY not to be trusted. "This guy ain't one of us!"
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SUCKED. There, I said it.
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Johnny Depp looks like him in this movie.
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Was in a porno theater.
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Don't trust this wolf in sheep's clothing!
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Now that I see that horrible background in the photo, all I can think is that he's the new villain in Schumacher's latest Batman flick.
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Seriously, If you're going to defend a Burton movie, You could pick a better one than that.
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Destined to be a complete shitfest of style over any semblance of substance. Sadly, it will be hailed by many. Burton is a must miss director for me.
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Visually this is stunning. I just hope Mr Burton remembers this is a childrens story that works on other levels, one of those being adult! I tire of Alice re-inventions and making it 'adult', but so far this looks promising.
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Time to get back to the real world bro.
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Yeap, that's what the fucker would look like... Probably be just a smiley too.
I was kinda depressed to find out those first three images were concept painting and not actual frames from the film. :(
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Is simply delightful and one of Phil Hartman's greatest creative and comic outputs. If you don't enjoy that film, honestly, I don't think I could trust your tastes.
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Sorry man, to each his own. I just don't get Pee-Wee. He was great in the Blues Brothers though.
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Now you're talking. Gilliam is sort of like the Thinking Man's Tim Burton.
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Oh, look dancing skeletons!
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Tim Burton stinks
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The movie is just funny all around. It could be about a completely different character, and there would still be a great deal of funny moments in the film Come on, who can't laugh at the Alamo joke? *A dazed Pee Wee, after being thrown from a bull at a rodeo, is woken up by a group of cowboys* COWBOYS: What's your name? PEE WEE: I dont remember. COWBOYS: Where are you from? PEEWEE: I dont remember... COWBOYS: What do you remember? PEE WEE: I remember... The Alamo... The cowboys all throw their hats into the air and cheer. COWBOYS: YAAAHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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It was oblivious. That's why it was funny. Not Burton.
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I was in San Antonio about a week ago driving thru down town and thought of exactly that qoute.
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Adaptation of Alice in Wonderland:
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Alright, Alright. I haven't seen the God Damned movie in about 20 years. Maybe I'll give it another chance, I just remember finding it really unfunny.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJdLRoKKuLQ
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Yeah above I put the wrong link... same show different video... blah blah... here's the Alice one and it does put a space in after the v remove it and you'll get directly to the video.
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First thing that came to my mind was he looks like Colin Baker as the sixth Doctor Who in his Ronald McDonald/Richard Simmons outfit.
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Sweet transvestite.
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The version of Alice you posted is WAY better than the version I posted.
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can't get enough Johnny Depp.
The guy bring something good to everything he does.
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On the plus side - can't be any worse than choc factory...
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At one time Burton was so great. Now, I've seen high school plays with better art direction.
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...but this does look pretty amazing so far.
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strut your stuff
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This just looks cartoony, which might be ok.
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One of the few people left in Hollywood with a bit of creativity and all you do is bitch. Yes, he’s made a couple of stinkers and I don’t like his taste for camp. He also has 2 movies in the IMDB top 250 and a Batman far better than the one we now know.
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No it's the threeway is between Depp, Burton and Elfman, they all put on white face paint too.
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Thats is all.
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Jun 22, 2009 3:50:34 AM CDT
so Tim Burton has finally made the movie he was born to direct!
by cifra
Best Picture, Best Director, Best Supporting Actor (Depp), Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Cinematography, Best Film Editing, Best Art Direction, Best Make Up... these are the Oscars they can rightfully expecting to get without much surprise...
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Planet of the Apes sucked. Other than that, anyone who doubts the mans originality in the sterile blockbuster-producing schlock-fest that is the current state of Hollywood(cough Transformers, Terminator, Ben Stiller films cough) needs my steel toed workboot to connect with their fucking temple. Repeatedly....
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how many directors in the world right now have anywhere near his range? Name another director, just one, that made a big-budget family film then a stop-motion film and then a gothic musical. Name me just one. Sure he no longer works from original material, but who does? Scorcese? Spielberg? Zemeckis? (okay, maybe Gilliam, Cameron and Nolan - there are a few) And everytime he does adapt someone elses work he stays true to his own vision and does his own interpretation. The fact that Depp/Bonham-Carter are alway in his films? The Cohens, Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, Del Toro, Scorcese (again) all do the same. Bottom line, he is one of the best, most consistent and entertaining directors currently working in Hollywood. End of.
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I gather this is not the face he makes when he screams out his demands of a private jet for his pet monkey and threatens not to show up on the set otherwise?
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I really hope this turns out well. It would be a nice add to my DVD collection which already has several Burton entries.
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too bad these retards deserve my crass version. Go fuck yourselves.
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Mars Attacks: D+, Sleepy Hollow: B-, Planet of the Apes: C-, Big Fish: C+... And lets not forget he didn't actually direct Nightmare Before Christmas - Henry Selick did. Lets face it - he hasn't actually made that many good films.
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I mean it's not like Michael Keaton, Winona Ryder, Catherine O'Hara, Glen Shadix, Jeffrey Jones and Dick Cavett are y'know...busy. Getting Robert Goulet again may be a bit difficult unless you get Will Farrell to impersonate him (which could actually work if you put Goulet's character in the afterlife.) Just sayin'.
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I've read both Alice books at least 100 times or more, and I never heard any mention of Carrot Top.
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Jun 22, 2009 5:57:10 AM CDT
Hathaway reminds me of Alanis Morissette in that pic.
by kevin holsinger
Not sure why. But I'm looking forward to this movie all the same.
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and less Tim Burton tired aesthetic.
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LOL. It's true...Madonna is freakin' hideous.
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Don't be jealous.
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Burton is one of a few Hollywood directors who has his own vision instead of churning out generic pap.
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Jun 22, 2009 6:32:35 AM CDT
Looks like Megan Fox five minutes after the sex change op
by stuntcock mike
Needs more ass model.
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lolfail.
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Anne Hathaway look like Cicciolina : an ugly mess appealing to nobody.
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I liked it.
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Little less tuna and swordfish for Mr. Depp I think
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Shit man I'd plop my pants in an instant if that crazy woman offered me a cup of Qabballah tea.
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Burton Sucks, Depp Sucks, Everyone Sucks...I Hate Everything, I come on AICN to make sure everyone knows how much I hate Everything, cuz hating everything is really really cool.
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Unfortunately I'm not sold on the Queens looks.
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Anne Hathaway's White Queen makeup actually covers her eyebrows, however they are too powerful to be contained and appear anyway.
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Another attempt to out-dark every other re-imagining of a creepy kids' book. Alice, Oz, Wonka. How many times are we going to try this? Does anybody even read the originals anymore? They're actually not all that dark. I'm not keen on a feature length "Where the Wild Things Are", but I welcome the dreamy quality Jonez has chosen over yet another completely UNchildlike acid trip nightmare.
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However Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Sleepy Hollow and Planet of the Apes all did as well and we know how those turned out. Don't fuck this up Burton, please.
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I see the interactive artwork (which looks very good) but I don't see any publicity stills. Am I being thick people?? Someone paint me a big sign pointing at the publicity stills!!
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Totally agree on Planet Of The Apes and Michael Jackson's Chocolate Factory...but no fan of Sleepy Hollow? I've always loved that film, felt it had the perfect combination of cast, tone, visual effects and story.
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I'll give Tim Burton PEE-WEE'S BIG ADVENTURE, BEETLEJUICE, ED WOOD (which is excellent across the board) and, depending on my mood, EDWARD SCISSORHANDS. Every other film he's made ranges from pretentious/boring to outright fucking awful (PLANET OF THE APES), and I don't care what any of the Burton boosters say: visual style alone does not make a movie worth sitting through. If I hadn't gone with a group of friends to see it, I would have walked out on SLEEPY HOLLOW less than halfay through, and now with the benefit of hindsight I wish I had anyway.
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Ack, ack, ack, ACK-ACK!
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just saying.
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Seriously, I'm clicking on everything and I can't find them! Do you click on the backgrounds? Cuz that's what I'm doing and nothings HAPPENING!
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Jun 22, 2009 8:14:42 AM CDT
Mad Hatter=A bizarre cross of Kozi and Yu~Ki from Malice Mizer
by anna valerious
Yeah, it's THAT J-Rock.
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As always.
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...you've been repeating yourselves since the 90's. It's boring. Move along.
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I haven't watched Sleepy Hollow in years, so it's hard for me to do a thorough job of picking it apart. From what I remember, the Headless Horseman's background felt tacked on and unnecessary. Essentially it suffered from the same thing as Charlie and the Chocolate Factory....too much unneeded information.
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http://media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/images/wonderlandphotos.jpg
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j/k, thanks for the link. USA Today finally publishes something moderately interesting and then they back off. No wonder newspapers are dying.
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Burton is a mster storyteller who crafts larger-than-life films that leave an in indelible impression. Nolan's POS Batman series doesn't even hold a candle to the brilliance of Batman Returns. I'm looking forward to see what Burton does with Lewis Carroll's classic pedo novel.
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...but it shoulda been Tom Petty. How fucking awesome would THAT be?!?!
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That's fucking weird! But I have a feeling this film will turn out much better than Burton's Willy Wonka. Color me intrigued!
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How come he's getting all the casting calls? I prefer David, though he will make a good tweedle dee and dumb. But this movie will suck. Tim Burton's use of green screen is terrible, he needs to stop trying to follow Zmeck and Lucas and go back to his roots, fucking Mars Attacks, he's last good movie. Sweeny was alright.
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in his fucking retarded goat ass
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And Hollywood keeps kissing his ass over and over.Go figure.
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This is going to be some trippy as shit!
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Helena Bonham Crater in a film. Awful actress. She makes my eyes burn when I see her in a film. Promo's look about as original as a new Tarantino film.
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Glad he's going back to his own unique style, with Depp no less. He might not always strike gold, but the man certainly entertains and he gives his best. Which is more than one can say for 90% of the product out there.
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Wow. Depp looks like the Mugatu hallucination in Zoolander. "OBEY MY DOG!" "Now kill the PRIMIE MINISTER OF MALASIAAAAAA!!!"
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About damn time someone did this with the disturbing visuals from the story.
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I wish they'd make final fantasy vi into a movie. Brilliant characters and excellent story.
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I think this movie could worse than his Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. That movie had no charm and was an abysmal mess. Depp doesn't look interesting at all. He looks like Burton's version of Mr. Data if he were given the chance to remake the Next Generation. Burton used to be an interesting director that I liked, no I cringe when I hear he's taking the directing chair.
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Still, it wasn't horrible.
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Jun 22, 2009 9:59:31 AM CDT
a polite 'fuck off' to all Burton/Depp haters...
by jackknifed_juggernaut
this looks fucking money. but if you think otherwise, fret not... Beastly will be playing in a theatre near you. whiny cunts.
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Sweeney Todd was an awesome movie.
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First thing I thought when I saw that pic of him as the Mad Hatter.
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Was Gene Wilder doing interviews slamming it to shit. That was awesome.
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Jun 22, 2009 10:08:36 AM CDT
TIM BURTON AND DAVID LYNCH SHOULD COLLABORATE ON A HORROR MOVIE
by ayatollahsexyback
It would possibly be the scariest movie ever.
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Doing his own material. And stay the fuck away from stop motion unless you got Henry Selick doing the work for you. My god was the Corpse Bride awful.
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Jun 22, 2009 10:17:52 AM CDT
The head of my penis should collaborate with Anne's cunt.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
They could do a duet.
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Yeah POTA sucked but in fairness to Burton he was tacked on late in production and the movie would have been infinitely better without Wahlberg, the most overrated actor to ever be put on film, and the distracting Helena Bonham Carter Michael Jackson chimp face. To me Big Fish was Burton's worst movie, which is not bad per se, just tired.
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Now, is that Elfman sucks now too. His last decent score was on Planet of The Apes. He just hasn't made anything slightly memorable since. Hellboy 2 was ok, but T4 and SOP??? Nothing there.
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Have you guys ever seen it? I caught bits of it at a college beer bash/keg party that someone had playing on TV in the background, years and years ago. I remember it being kind of trippy: a musical with a hot chick and lots of skin. Alice actually felates the Mad Hatter in that one.
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Not in a good way either.
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Jun 22, 2009 10:21:16 AM CDT
Jesus, the Tweedles look like a Monty Python cartoon!
by yotzvonfrelnik
Which is pretty damn creepy-cool.
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Starring Tim Burton and HBC, if Tim really wants to creep us out he'll release his home video collection.
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Maybe. He was all wrong for the abysmal POTA and CATCF. However, despite casting Depp and Carter in everything, he just might have the right twisted vision to make Alice in Wonderland work. Depp's Mad Hatter has me a little concerned though, looks like Elijah Wood on meth.
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he did for Wanted.
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I was so sure that Tim Burton would tackle that after the Chocolate Factory, and I guess it'll never happen anytime soon.
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might have been better if Elfman rehashed his Beetlejuice score. WIth a little Harry Belafonte thrown in.
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I saw RACHEL GETTING MARRIED over the weekend on a 'staying-in' date with a lady friend. Hathaway is a real looker; the girl playing her sister gives a better, less showy, performance though.
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He should stick with supporting roles in large emsembles - like The Departed.
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His last few efforts has been really subpar. Though I think his last great score was for Hulk, which is one of my favorite scores ever.
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...and I'm guessing the we have Carrot Top to thank for Johnny Depp's latest inspiration.
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the same movie you've seen him make for the last 25 years
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I just remember Wanted using an old NIN song and Hulk had that Velvet Revolver song. Maybe if those movies weren't complete garbage I could move past how terrible they are I would've noticed the music.
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Terrifying.
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Looks like a character out of Wallace and Gromit with her face, those teeth.
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I know so many parents who won't let their children see anything scary at all. I was recently critisized for letting my 6 year-old see "Jurrasic Park". Was she scared? A bit, but she loved it. It's not like I'm showing her "The Exorcist." "Alice" is right in Burton's comfort zone, but I can't remember the last movie he made that I actually liked.
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but it would be nice if Tim Burton found some other actors to work with than Depp and Carter. It's getting to be like the Clint Eastwood movies of the late 70's... the same actors in every movie, and to some degree you felt like you were watching the same movie over and over again.
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I think it's less the scary and more the dismemberment and eating-people-alive that you might have been getting criticized over.
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Jun 22, 2009 10:53:13 AM CDT
It's not going to be nearly as "Creepy" as everyone's making it
by thefreescreeningwhore
Sources close to the movie say Burton is purposefully trying to distance himself from the expectation that this will be "another Gothic Burton Movie." Also, the script is solid.
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Come on, that's not creepy, unless you're scared of gay clowns (which, admittedly, may indeed be every redneck schoolkid's nightmare). I think it looks cool. And the background art at USA Today looks FANTASTIC. I'm actually interested now in going to see it. Plus, the scriptwriters have added a new twist to the story - it's actually NOT a retelling of the original "Adventures in Wonderland" but a SEQUEL. Alice returns to Wonderland (while escaping from an unwanted marriage proposal) at age 17, but although she visited there 10 years before, she has no memory of it. Sounds like a story of an escape back to childhood. Something I can definitely identify with. I'm looking forward to more info on this now.
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I was thinking the same thing. Charlie was supposed to be creepy too. And, aside from Depp modeling his character after a child molester, it wasn't. In fact, the original was MUCH scarier.
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I thought they had a falling out.If he's not gonna do it-- get John Murphy.
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...if you told me I had to have a conversation with this guy and couldn't smack him.Sorry, men and women won't be scared of ALICE IN WONDERLAND and most kids won't care.They do one of these creepy ALICES and edgy WIZARD OF OZs every yeard.
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The only people looking at these pictures and seeing "creepy" are the ones bringing a boat load of expectation with them. That being said, again, the script is solid enough that I don't think anyone will care.
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and pussified parenting techniques have more or less stopped all "scary" children's media. Studios never used to care because it was always assumed that a good scare is healthy for kids, especially with a moral attached. Today studios don't make stuff like that. The only example I've seen in years was Coraline, which had kids in my theater crying ( and that's when I knew it was effective). They need to start airing old "Tales from the darkside" episodes or something. Toughen these pansy kids up.
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Jun 22, 2009 11:13:29 AM CDT
Speaking of falling outs..what happened with Elfman and Raimi??
by odo19
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"Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking-Glass, and what Alice Found There." Can we please, for once, film an adaptation that doesn't bastardize them by cross-pollenating the characters into some kind of greatest hits? The Mad Hatter and the Tweedles don't belong in the same movie. Sheesh!
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No frigging way. Screw Burton and his precious Goth puppetry.
Join the "Drag Me To Hell" talkback!
http://tinyurl.com/ll7s4p
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It's doesn't. It's more of a sequel. Kind of.
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... that is fucking scary ..
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I see through your ruse! Also wrong talkback.
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I think I finally have this figured out.Before I became Father O' The Year, I was in the movie geek/studio b.s. camp that said, "These parents are trying to overprotect their kids from blah,blah,blah..."Mostly because I wanted to see the scary, childish movie. Once yer a parent, you don't really want to see cartoons or ALICE IN WONDERLAND. It's much cooler to be the kind of eat a steak, do a shot of tequila and smoke a cigar kind of guy.Then, when I became a parent, while my kids were little, I thought, "Those non-parents are as crazy as I was. I know my kids and I'm not going to subject them to some frightening piece of studio merchandise that they don't know is real. What do I care that some director and 22 year old fan is telling me Kids can take more than you think?"Now, my kids are in the middle grades and crazy about ALIENS, and TERMINATORS and the PREDATOR and JURASSIC PARK and zombies.So here's my theory: when parents object, they're thinking of their kids as little kids. And when geeks protest, they're remembering themselves at 9 or 10, not 4 or 5.Begin countdown until someone says they saw OMENCIST at age 2 and loved it or someone showed their preschooler NIGHT OF THE LIVING CHAINSAW MASSACRE and the kids plays it over and over.Although, I think I'd worry more if my sons wanted to see ALICE IN WONDERLAND once they were over age 6, unless they're into filmmaking or art.
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has been the same boredom masquerading as faux negativity that characterizes virtually every talkbalk about every topic on this site anymore. Virtually all TB's can be summed up with three posts or variations on them: "Looks like shit." "X-Director is a hack that hasn't done anything relevant in y-amount of time." and my favorite, "I could write better than this crap." despite all given evidence to the contrary.
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was a disappointment to say the least. End of story. Back to the topic at hand?
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Jun 22, 2009 11:31:27 AM CDT
i'd *so* love to complete Anne's look by jizzing...
by jackknifed_juggernaut
on those eyebrows. 'White Queen' indeed...
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Lucas I'll give you, but not the Berg. But then again, I liked the majority of Burton's work. If you think Burton is taking a hit here head over to the IB thread and see what people are saying about Tarantino.
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Was awesome, and I won't let you snide little typical talkback motherfuckers besmirch its good name with your automatic dismissive robot programming. Dime a dozen personalities that's what you got.
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Jun 22, 2009 11:48:07 AM CDT
BURTON IS OUT TO ENTERTAIN. TARANTINO MASTURBATES HOPING FOR
by ayatollahsexyback
an audience.
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Jun 22, 2009 11:48:47 AM CDT
I'VE HEARD GOOD THINGS AND BAD THINGS ABOUT DRAG ME TO HELL
by ayatollahsexyback
Who to believe?
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I mean to fuck Anne Hathaway's face.
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Was extremely divisive. I respect what Raimi was trying to do, but it ended up being just fucking goofy.
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When I click the USA Today links, all I'm seeing are the three 'widescreen' zoom-in/zoom-out images (The White Rabbit, Alice with the flowers and The Tweedles)... Did USA Today take down some links and/or images or something? Can someone please provide more links to the Red & White Queen images please?
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Point being?
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You're getting curioser and curioser. I can't stand the "sport" but that's not to impugn your interests.
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Found them elsewhere...!
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Yes, I like Shyamalan films and golf. Sue me.
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Wonder why. Well, I hear the posters are being unveiled this week, guess that has something to do with it.
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and followed Mickelson for the day. Wish Tiger was there as that would at least have been interesting and borderline exciting. Didn't go this year because I didn't want to spend another day of my life with my stupid FIL, and was glad that the Open was mostly rained out hahhahahahahahaaha!!!!
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My point being it sucked.
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Jun 22, 2009 12:04:40 PM CDT
SUBTITLES_OFF - I SHALL HEED THE LATTER PART OF YOUR ADVICE
by ayatollahsexyback
I prefer cerebral scares, not goofy tricks. Thanks for saving me time and $.
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..but he's never really scary, or anything other than utterly superficial. C'mon, we have a long, drippy career full of toothless, pretty pictures to draw on here: when did he ever do anything remotely visceral or disturbing? He's a Disney boy at heart: always was, always will be.
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Jun 22, 2009 12:09:51 PM CDT
Fucking scary, right? Uhhh, no. Seriously gay though.
by hint_of_smegma
I've got faith Burton will make it look good onscreen, and that the film will be darker, a bit of a surreal and scary ride. But that poster isn't scary, just freakishly gay.
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I think I just saved some money as well.
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Everuything you need to know about Burton's need for gooey suburban acceptance is contained in that one decision. He wouldn't know uncanny, cark or mysterious if is bit him on his aspartame ass.
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Everything you need to know about Burton's need for gooey suburban acceptance is contained in that one decision. He wouldn't know uncanny, dark or mysterious if it bit him on his aspartame ass.
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Knuckle dragging retards disagree, of course.
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Speaking of Depp, I really hope that the negative advanced word about "Public Enemies" is just a bunch of bullshit. It would really suck if that one sucked.
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It had one line, and then stopped talking. And it was a great line.
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It was possessed for 5 seconds, and said one line (a very cool line) and that means the whole movie sucks? What idiots.
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Hence the lack of people going to see it. Raimi was great back in the day, love his earlier films all the way through Simple Plan - but taking on Spiderman killed that guys abilities, it seems. Would have loved it if that film had been great, but it wasn't, and Raimi doesn't get a pass for making a shit film just because of who he is. The opposite in fact, because we all know how good he can be.
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I think this movie will have Burtons imagery all over it. It will look like it was shot on a soundstage. It will be visual but have no soul. It will be an empty movie experiance. There will be no sense of wonder either, because wonder requires a hightened sense, and Burtons films have no sense of anything. If Burtons films were food, they would be a big bowl of sugar-sweet at first but you leave with a sick feeling in your stomach and wish you'd never ate the whole thing. Burtons films work best as simple pictures, something that belongs in a coffee table book. As film, they're tedious, boring and completely unremarkable.
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I bet you look like the dad from Christmas Story!
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... to predict the possession of a goat brought into a ceremony FOR THE STATED PURPOSE OF DRIVING A SPIRIT INTO IT. Make sure you use your precognitive powers for good instead of evil.
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You're retarded...
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. . . but I just found a way. These pics make me feel like we were tricked and Burton really directed Schumacher's Bat-Films.
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I'm with you. I hate all of Raimi's Spider-man movies and since word is that 40 year old Tobey "Block of Wood" Maguire and Kirsten "I hate the franchise" Dunst are both back on board for part 4, my hopes aren't that high for the next installment.
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anyone care to post direct links to the other two actor's photos? I can't find it anywhere on that USAToday site, I only see the 3 production artworks.
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Or keep spamming the Drag Me To Hell talkback to keep it in the Top Ten, whatever. But spamming the rest of the talkbacks about how great the movie is is becoming unforgivable, like when Trannyformers_Apologist spams every story to tell us why Transformers2 will suck. Its annoying as hell.
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Is such an original, well crafted, paced, acted, shot, stylized movie that it stands on it's own outside of most people even realizing it's by Tim Burton. That and Ed Wood are his great ones so far. Oh the Johhny Dep pic made me think of that actress, you know, Ron Howard's daughter... Bryce... from Spiderman and Lady in the Water
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wasn't directed by Raimi, all of you Raimi zombies would be ripping it to shreds for it's shitty jump scares and lack of real suspense. It's just another PG-13 "boo!" fest.
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I'm sorry, but you don't need to put THAT much make-up on Johnny Depp to make him look scary. They're overdoing it.
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Nope, woulda loved the ride either way.
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FUCK HIM.http://tinyurl.com/nxyaae
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I don't think there will be a feature film and I'm glad. That TV revamping completely destroyed the feel of the original. It was just trying to be another X-files.
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Alice in Wonderland is one of my top 5 favorite books, and I can tell you that it's not just some 'nightmare' of a story. Yes, it has it's creepy moments, and it's quite surreal, but to call it a nightmare is a disservice. It is many things. And I think Tim Burton directing will erase everything that's great about the book: Lewis Carroll's inventive worldplay (puns, inverted logic, nonsense, the mathematics), the John Tenniel illustrations (which are amazing), etc. etc. This movie will be nothing more than Tim Burton's visual extravaganza at the expense of the story. It will have his stamp to on it to such a high degree that Lewis Carrol's Alice in Wonderland will disappear. I, for one, am not excited.
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Jun 22, 2009 12:46:58 PM CDT
Well at least it looks better than Inglorious Basterds....
by thewaqman
Tarantino is the real washed up director. I used to argue that Pulp Fiction was his final masterpiece. But I tried watching it again. It follows that shitty derivative Tarantino formula where they have crappy pointless discussions for an hour. Reservoir Dogs, his first and last good film, was the tightest of the bunch he's made. He should watch that film and learn his lesson. Burton on the other hand can get repetitive in style, but hey at least he made Ed Wood and Big Fish to stray abit away from time to time. I have no problem with Depp though. He's a fantastic actor. One of the best working today.
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Try giving "The Grudge 2" a spin. There were lots of twelve-year-old-girl-screams coming from that theater too.
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I loved it, despite the fact that Helena Bonham Carter can't really sing! That didn't matter in the end, Depp, Rickman and the younger cast ruled the movie. Maybe if you don't like musicals you won't get it, but I reckon it's one of Burton's best since the Apes debacle.
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slight exaggeration but only slight
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I call bullshit. You can't watch "Big Fish" and tell me there's no substance there.
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If any of you ever have fun watching movies in the theater or otherwise. You can find fault in anything if that's your personality. Obviously arguing on a talkback isn't going to sway the opinion of either side, even if it is a bit amusing/frustrating. I personally enjoyed Drag Me To Hell, saw it twice, thought it was a great ride. Argue that it sucked if you must. I got my great memories of it.
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Jun 22, 2009 1:01:55 PM CDT
Rupee88, good thing Burton didn't write this movie.
by thefreescreeningwhore
Also, Voyageur, I've read the Carroll books dozens of times, and are you really trying to claim that they possess any form of narrative sophistication?
I mean, I understand the love and respect for his wordplay (which, I can tell you, is a force in the script) but the stories have always been pretty nonexistent.
I'm happy to say Woolverton has told a truly compelling story within the framwork of Carroll's iconography.
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to something I'll definitely see.
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Lets compare Drag me to Hell to the Grudge 2. You officially lost all credibility of having a balanced perception of film quality and scripting. I see Drag Me To Hell's faults, but comparing it to the Grudge 2? If you value your stock as a critic in any fashion you'll recant that silly statement.
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If you want to say it's a good source of comfort food, that's fine. It's a "check your brain at the door and laugh at vomit and dancing possessed people" movie. But don't say it's an effective horror film. To put it simply: Transformers is to the action genre what Drag me to Hell is to the horror genre.
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The sequence during Carter's "cute" song about a happy life with Depp is so fucking gorgeous. When they're at the pier specifically.
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Jun 22, 2009 1:05:13 PM CDT
I have fun watching good movies in the theater.
by fuck_you_george_lucas
It's true. If they're good, chances are I'll have fun.
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They're both PG-13, involve curses, and neither are scary. Both also have shots of people coughing things up and are riddled with jump scares. Neither have suspense. I was generalizing, sure. But I wouldn't say Drag me to hell was better scripted. The difference is the grudge 2 was funny when it wasn't trying to be and DMTH was unfunny when it WAS trying to be.
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You're not gonna tell me the fight in the car didn't add something we had never seen before to the horror genre. And the film was shot beautifully. I'd pit the camera placement and movement in Drag me To Hell against any horror in recent memory.
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Really? You'd say DMTH was filmed at the same level as "Let the Right One in"? Talk about losing credibility...
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I'm having an enjoyable argument with Kolchak, you on the other hand are not enjoyable.
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Those are two different characters in the books. The Queen of Hearts is the "off with their heads!" playing-card character in _Alice in Wonderland_, while the Red Queen and the White Queen are both chesspiece characters in _Through the Looking-glass_. Are the Red Queen and Queen of Hearts being combined into one character here?
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He already made it. It was called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, and the Mad Hatter was the star.
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.. but Tim Burton is the most overrated director in hollywood. How many really good films has he made? Ed Wood is fantastic and Pee Wees Big Adventure is enjoyable fun.Big Fish and Sleepy Hollow are just ok. Hes a better designer than he is director.
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Had different pacing, but yes, I'd say both were superbly Directed for their tones.
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Don't Come Around Here No More. That was the perfect homage to Alice in Wonderland. Cake anyone?
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The only other jump scares in a film that were of the same style as Drag Me To Hell was Lord of the Rings whenever they flashed Sauron's eye suddenly. Same flavor.
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Jun 22, 2009 1:13:02 PM CDT
Blech, Subtitles Off. Must completely disagree with you there
by d.vader
That would have made the death scene like EVERY OTHER death scene in a dramatic film. I was surprised and very impressed with the symbolic death (the dad saying goodbye to all his friends, turning into the fish that swims away a legend) and found that to be much more moving than a standard death scene you can find in any other film.
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I don't think that car sequence was anything new. The difference was it was a gypsy breaking into the car in lieu of a knife wielding stalker or monster. As for the direction, it was alright. I thought the decision to show the little boy going down in the beginning was awful. Other than that it's less a problem of directing and more a problem of writing.
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and post the new Halloween 2 and Inglourious Basterds trailers so we could discuss them instead of another damn Tim Burton breaks out the Crayola box picture
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The tension before the fight, the angles during the fight, especially the coughing ruler part, were well crafted. I wouldn't be surprised to see it on top 10 fight scene lists in years to come. The Gypsy flying face first into the dashboard? Only the soulless wouldn't enjoy the brutality of that scene.
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Tel you about jump scares, because they come in different styles and flavors. Just like different breeds of cats have similar overall features but also have obvious differences. Is it far too difficult to see a world of color in your gray scale vision?
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There is no difference between the jump scares in "One Missed Call" or "DMTH". A jump scare is a jump scare. They don't have unique stylings. By the way, the cut to "hell" during the silence in the tarot reading was one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
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Robert Smith 'dos went out sometime during the summer of 1987. You're in your 50s, time to grow up and get a manly haircut like Arnold Rimmer's.
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Doing exactly what you're accusing me of, and making generalized statements with no substance to do it. You're very typical.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Suggestions_of_paedophilia
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And the 7 jumps to Saurons eye anytime someone looks at the ring, touched the ring or loo into the Palantir wasn't overused?
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Does that mean that scene in "Satan's little Helper" where the killer smashes a cat into a wall and crushes its skull is masterfully shot? You know, because it's brutal and you have to enjoy it or else you don't have a soul.
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I just enjoyed its uniqueness and found it to be much more moving. A teary bed-side goodbye would have, I think, had me rolling my eyes because it seems to be so cliched at this point in cinema history. That said, however, I can see how the reality would work for you better than the fantasy. To each his own.
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Did anyone say they weren't? Of course they were.
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False alarm, just a squirrel eating a nut at the window
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But like I said there are different breeds. A killer jumps out, a non threatnng cat jumps out, a flash to unrelated image, a flash to a threat that isn't immediately present. Playing with the timing etc. The effects are the same, but the flavors are different. I am completely valid to point out that DMTH had jump scares similar to LOTR as opposed to the Halloween movies.
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It's the way the brutality was delivered not just the act itself.
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They're things jumping out. It doesn't matter what's jumping out. It could be Mickey Rourke in a thong. Who gives a shit? The ones in DMTH are JUST like the ones in Halloween or any other horror franchise.
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My roomates are ready to go to the beach finally. Kolchak I enjoyed the argument, much respect. Neither of us swayed each other, but that's fine. Subtitle, learn to be cool like Kolchak.
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So I guess because this brutality was delivered with lots of CG shots it's more brutal? The shot I spoke of was a nice, non-shaky cam, still shot. And it was much creepier. And that movie was GOD AWFUL (Satan's little Helper). I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.
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I'll check it out, later man.
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Don't. Trust me. Anyway, the the jump scare shots to a demonic gypsy spirit are just like ones of a guy in a Shatner mask. But, hey. Enjoy the beach.
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Jun 22, 2009 1:37:12 PM CDT
"If a shark jumps at you on the beach, ask him how you taste"
by kolchak
Best line in the TB. Subtitles is clearly the same level as cool.
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But for every "last scene of Carrie" there's about a thousand jump scares on the other side ruining the rep with insane cats, Dads just downstairs making a sandwich, summer camp children lurking inappropriately behind trees, and completely innocuous every day objects
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I would have loved DMTH when I was 8.
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anything but the production art. How the hell do I get to the other portraits? Grr.
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The venom from the haters makes me want to see it even more. Makes me think it's probably pretty good from the vehement, almost desperate hatred.
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Well deserved.
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Have fun at Year One, juicebox.
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now i feel like i know exactly what im going to get when i pop in one of his movies. he has become a parody of himself. this movie looks like the wayans brothers and the cast of madtv got together and made "Tim Burton Movie"
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Jun 22, 2009 1:59:04 PM CDT
Now that everyone realizes Burton's Batman films are superior to
by sithdan
we should feel at ease Alice in Wonderland is the hands of a competent director.
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is the batman theme song. i still think the best batman is the animated series in the 90s.
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When Kolchak and Subtitle are done jerking each other off and high fiving.
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Jun 22, 2009 2:03:53 PM CDT
Johnny Depp as Elijah Wood as The Mad Hatter
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
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He needs the win.
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The trailer made it look like a stinker, but the reviews have been glowing. I would have checked it out by now but I was traveling and then I got swine flu.
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appears to be the most promising casting effort so far. I wish Johnny Depp and Bonham Carter sat this one out.
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i like dmth, but it wasn't very scary it was just a crazy silly movie with lots of gross out gags going on in it. its certainly not a great horror movie but it was a fun time. I saw it at a drive in while drinking copious amounts of booze with a big group of people and would recommend seeing it in that fashion if there is a drive in near you. and if you drink copious amounts of booze and want some cheesy laughs.
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starring your favorite starving mad tv comics from 95-2001 in hilarious spoof of tim burtons movies! cameos from shaq, carmen elektra, dustin diamond, pauly shore and many more!
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Red Queen? It's not with the USA today collection.
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Having read the book Burton on Burton, it was interesting to see his process and how he works.
I'd advise people to read that before judging him too harshly, as he's quite dry and self-deprecating as well.
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Step 1 - Insult Subtitle, elude to more important things to be discussed.
Step 2 - Say something derivitive about the topic at hand.
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They are two totally different characters!
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Jun 22, 2009 2:30:09 PM CDT
I Want to see Burton make just ONE ORIGINAL MOVIE
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Jun 22, 2009 2:32:41 PM CDT
Swine Flu is more enjoyable than Drag Me To Hell
by fuck_you_george_lucas
So I've heard.
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infact, if the report had stated "staring elijah wood as the mad hatter" I would have believed it.
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I love him enough to tell him the truth: That thos maniquins on the OLD NAVY adds have more personality and life than anyone he's ever directed. The man has a knack for turning gold into cardboard.
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Many thanks. Bizarre!
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Or any movie for that matter?
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is because there's only so much to be said about a set of pictures.
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They shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. Let The Right One In is a (mostly) subtle, (mostly) quiet, beautifully shot drama. Drag me To hell was a dopey, entertaining cartoon. It was fun, but there was no subtext or underlying message. People like NoDiggity are looking for fire where there's only a smoke bomb.
For the record, I liked them both. But one was a gourmet meal, and one was a late-night drive through burger after a night of heavy drinking.
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Jun 22, 2009 3:20:10 PM CDT
I like the subtle trick that's done with the contact lenses.
by royston lodge
One of his contact lenses seems designed to make it appear that one eye is slightly off-centre. That's a nice, subtle touch that adds to the character's mania without beating you over the head.
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Jun 22, 2009 3:21:16 PM CDT
http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/41485#comment_2734530
by voyageur
I would agree that all adaptations have been quite terrible. But, I never said the narrative was sophisticated. Anyone who has read the book enjoys the incoherence. The book is about reality turned upside-down and inside-out. The Count of Monte Cristo it is not, and that is Carroll's lasting influence on fans of the books, and writers and filmmakers in particular. But the incoherence and surrealism of the book doesn't give screenwriters or a director free license to do as they please, and go campy and over-the-top (which Burton's conception of the Hatter is). Hatter is bizarre, but what Burton has done is a travesty. Now, the film might change my opinion on this (I will allow for that possibility), but I remain skeptical and uninterested in Burton's vision. It isn't his story... It is as much Tenniel's as it is Carroll's. And a certain respect for Tenniel's illustrations is demanded, in my opinion, and Burton has not been respectful from what I can tell.
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Jun 22, 2009 3:23:54 PM CDT
FreeScreeningWhore... that last post title was meant as a reply
by voyageur
that last post title was meant as a reply to you... I cut and pasted the link to this page dammit. sorry.
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That Tom Petty video will always be my favorite Alice in Wonderland adaptation. "Who do you expect to meet?"......HEY!!
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1.) What, Johnny Depp AGAIN?!2.) What, Helena Bonham Carter AGAIN?!3.) I'm SO sick of Danny Elfman writing the same score over and over!4.) Wow, goth chicks will be ALL over this!5.) Burton's ONLY good movie was Ed Wood!
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Maybe that's because numbers 1, 2, and 4 have merit.
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If you stare at it for too long, it seems as if the smile is slowly turning into a frown. Eep!
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that golf is NOT a sport, it is a passtime
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I mean do have some kind of financial investment in Drag me to Hell or something? Get off Sam Raimi's nuts, he's not that great a director. yeah I just said that.
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I would like to add my own personal top Burton-themed posts:"The hygenically impure Tim Burton...""The faux goth-camp of BATMAN..."So on and so forth. Carry on.
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...and will pay to see it. But it does not look frightening in the slightest. It's Alice In Wonderland - we know what happens already. Ya know?
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For that alone he should no longer be considered an artist. But that he also made a film of CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY so very inferior to the 60s one, makes this version of ALICE very unappealing. I bet half that assholes who think he's an auteur and say 'Burton this, Burton that' wouldn't even be able to name the guy who directed the 60s WONKA film - and maybe not even the original APES. This is what you get when people go 'auteur crazy' - shitheads judging stuff just from the name on the jar, not from what's inside.
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I can tell if that is Helena Carter or Johnny Depp.
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By the way this is trending on Twitter it seems Burton has a lot of people interested. I guess keeping Depp in the fold has it's PR merits.
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Always has been.
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They messed with the story again, according to the article. "Girl power," indeed. Sigh.
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how the fuck doesn't Alice remember conversing with a talking caterpillar ten years prior?
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Hook. In other words, an uneccessarily complicated version of a simple story. Why does everything have to be made "bigger" for the movie version?
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Like the zoomed-in, pixellated shit that goes nuts when I put my cursor over it? No thanks.
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Know what would have kicked ass? A 360 degree panoramic view.
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Burton is about as unDisney as you can get. Disney would never touch a film like Beetlejuice, and they only like NBX because of all the merchandise it still spawns. Disney is a near-paedophilic american dream, Burton is on the outside looking in.
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I hear lots of whining about "Burton's just made the same film for the last 25 years" - because Sleepy Hollow and Mars Attacks are totally identical! And "all he can do are visuals". No, but it is a speciality - the forest in Sleepy Hollow was pretty fucking special. You hate Burton so why the hell would you click on a link about a Burton film if you hate Burton so much?So, hands up who here has had more success as a director/writer/producer? Who can do better? Keep those hands up, let me count...
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Jun 22, 2009 6:22:49 PM CDT
even funnier, Lemure, is that those same people
by jackknifed_juggernaut
complaining about Burton will *still* have their collective asses in theatre seats once this releases.
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I feel sorry for the goth kids that think that's a good movie.
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It happens in EVERY TB. You think the people bitching about Tarantino won't show up for Inglorious Basterds? Of course they will. Best to just ignore it.
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Burton is a gifted visual artist. He's been copied so often that it is easy to forget that he is the original. He's no more a jerk for using Johnny Depp all the time as John Ford was for using John Wayne.Not all of his films tell a story well. All I can figure is that he's incredibly hard to write for. Too little story and it's a mess. Too much (did CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY need Willy Wonka's backstory?) and it grows pointless.I feel that PEE WEE, EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, ED WOOD, SLEEPY HOLLOW, BIG FISH and CHARLIE all worked in terms of story. Didn't see PLANET O' THE APES or SWEENY TODD (although if Timmy had done a musical ape movie, I'd have been there). But oddly, my two favorite films of his are BATMAN RETURNS and MARS ATTACKS which were crap in the story department but incredible visually.So why am I, and guys like me, the problem? Unless yer into filmmaking or graphic arts, why are we seeing most of this stuff? What's in it for us?Who is this movie really for? I have sons and neither of them would have ever looked at this stuff and said, "Can we go see ALICE IN WONDERLAND?"But let me ask you, unless yer in film school or something, are you really going to call yer buddy and say, "Hey, Bob, let's go see ALICE IN WONDERLAND"? Or are you going to take a date to see this? Don't count on getting past the front door later unless yer really good looking, in which case you are probably not reading this.
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I can see getting scared a little by that, but the Mad Hatter doesn't cut it for too many people any more.
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i've taken girls to see some pretty "date-unfriendly" movies and have still been able to seal the deal afterwards. i can't lie, Watchmen almost fucked it up for me, but aside from that, things tend to work themselves out regardless of the feature.
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Needs to be fucking thrown into a gulag.
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One of the best and most original films of the eighties. Burton definitely has his own style, some people love it, some people hate it. But to deny that a large majority of his films are easily recognizable as being his is kind of silly. For one thing, Johny Freaking Depp is half of 'em! lol Anyway, I'll say this for Burton - at least he keeps working, and keeps trying to make films that aren't like everybody elses. The fact that he's done this, mostly, inside of the major studio system is actually pretty commendable. But I still don't see anything frightening in those images at all.
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You mean Depp's Hatter isn't doing it for you?
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I didn't hate it. I kinda liked it actually. But I didn't see that as a straight up remake. I felt that it was the events of the first film, had everything in the subsequent movies/tv shows happened. Meaning all that time traveling and whatnot would have change what happened in the first movie, so the remake was kinda that new version of the first film.
And for the record, I'm not a Tim Burton hater. I'm fond of most of his movies. But I felt like he ruined Sweeney Todd with his need to cast Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter in everything. They couldn't handle the singing. It was bad. And with all the acting talent out there that can sing, it pissed me off. But in this case I think they should be okay. They make sense in these roles. But whatever movie is next, I think he should force himself to not use them. I have a funny feeling they'll still love him anyway. -
Most likely a separation leading to divorce. If they attempt reconciliation I'll watch Drag Me To Hell.
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Just checked Timmaaaaay on the IMDb - there's a lot of cool voice talent in 9, a movie I didn't even know was being made. Pretty excited for it, now.
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GUYS
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Fuckers were so anxious to get away from each other they couldn't even wait for the episode to air.
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Damn you!
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I thought the announcement would be that they were getting 3G iphones.
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Thank Bale.
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It had some really tasteful barfing sequences that were just MASTERFULLY shot.
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The guy from The Eurythmics was the hooka smoking caterpillar in the beginning of the video.
Here's the you tube link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5H0wUo37RY&feature=related
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The perfect mad hatter
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Elijah Wood at first, lol.
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making an ape appear sexy. You almost had some Marky Mark beastiality going on.
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JUST LIKE THAT AWFUL FUCKING OVERWROUGHT PIECE OF SHIT BIG FISH. NOT TO MENTION THAT FUCKING WONKA.
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I SEE GREAT POSSIBILITIES WITH A HUGE COCK ON THE CHESHIRE CAT. MMMMMM.
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FFS. ANOTHER UNBELIEVABLY ANNOYING PERFORMANCE FROM DEPPARDO. AND CARTER JUST KEEPS GETTING FUGLIER AND FUGLIER. SOMEONE PLEASE PUT THAT FAT COW OUT TO PASTURE.
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Gimme a break.
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"you're jokin'! You're jokin' I can't believe my eyes!" Oogie Boogie. Dude, I must've watched that movie ten times, twice in the theater, once in 3D, and own the DVD. Original concept, great songs, great animation. I'll admit Burton's had some misses (Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) but TNBC ain't one of 'em. It hasn't aged at all, fresh as the day it came out more than ten years ago. Give it another try...
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I tried but i couldnt get my flaccid penis to get up, and when it did it just beat out air.
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...but mainly hoping it's not TOO modernist for it's own good.
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Jun 22, 2009 8:56:49 PM CDT
So Kate was fucking that Hanson guy from deadliest catch?
by stuntcock mike
"Fuck the shrimp Jon, I'm coming home with the crabs."
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is that he hasn't done anything even remotely surprising in over a decade. Every image I've seen of this film's art direction doesn't look even vaguely different from what I expected. And by all means people, if you're a Burton fan, stay the hell away from this talkback. I love Tarantino, and as such I won't step near an Inglourious Basterds thread. The negativity really is overpowering.
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Burton MAY be back in form...but we shall see. He's been slightly off for about the past ten years. willy wonka was just awful. His best movies are those which have fully developed characters and a lot of heart and soul...ie. Ed Wood and Edward Scissorhands. All the artwork for this looks spot on though.
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Is it me or Deep's whole carrer is based in attach anything to his body and talk weird
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NJ REUNION!!!! tomorrow, hell yeah.
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Did I grow up or has the Burton/Depp collabo gone stale?
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Was masterfully shot. Are you fucking blind? Say what you will about the story, the Directing was well played. Don't show off your crippling Down's Syndrome again.
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Carrot Top's hair, and Tilda Swinton's complexion.
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I hear she did Mike Rowe too.
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And can he get the fuck over the whole "Surrealism" thing? Man, museums just eat that shit up, and it's HIS FAULT. In other news, Subtitles_Off claims that filmmaking does not rely on angles...
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I mean...Are we expected to believe somebody would actually be named that? COME ON HOLLYWOOD! Couldn't he have been named like..."Hunter" or...."Bryce" or something?
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in Drag me to hell. With the exception maybe of that cemetery scene, because of a) great lighting and B) how it was set up to look like a set (painted background, etc.)
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Burton is frustrating because he seems like he should be alot cooler. But he's shitty and all his movies are ageing poorly and the ones he makes now will have no one looking back on them to check if they've aged well. It's cliche to say Ed Wood is his best but it is because its an actual movie. Ed Wood has some actual weird shit in it and good dialogue and characters. He should actually do something dark instead of faking dark. Stupid Charlie and the Chocolate factory, was that midget who played the oompa Loompa supposed to be bizarre and cool? The oompa loompa was obnoxious like the whole movie, a giant reach for something original. He has the oppurtunity to do whatever he wants in Hollywood and he chooses to continue with his boring shit.
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You're fucking blind.
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Helena Bonham Carter. Check. No one gives a shit about it when it comes out? Check.
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Enjoy your PG-13 jump scare fests and the English remake of "Let the Right One In".
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Don't let Alice touch the (cock) ring. Its reserved for Samwise.
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Enjoy not recognizing quality when you see it and enjoying one less valid thing in life. Wannabe, condescending, ass.
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I put "Let the Right One In" in my corner. You've got a CGI goat. There's nothing "valid" about movies that fail at what they're trying to do.
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Jun 23, 2009 12:31:23 AM CDT
WTF is Let the Right One in? Sounds like a Rolling Stones
by lockesbrokenleg
song
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YOU got Let the Right One In "In Your Corner"?! What are you fucking stupid? Not only did I never mention Let The Right One In, I never pitted it against DMTH. Get your head out of your ass.
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'Nuff said.
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This kid got Let the Right One In backin' up his corner. Don't like no other movies, motherfuckers, he gonna pit'em against his winnin' bitch!
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I can't get it out of there
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That Bobcat Goldthwait is a biter. Watch your hand!
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He punched this guy's head clean off you shoulda seen it
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It was hot out. My brain got fried.
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It's a car. That flies. And there's musical numbers. What now?
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Or drunk. These postings make no sense, lol
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Nicholas Cage will shoot you until your soul stops dancing
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It will make you less randomly evil than you were before by explaining your fucked up childhood
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It was the late 90s, I had just seen ED WOOD and was amazed. I also thought that threesomes were a little over the top, excessive. Obviously, I have evolved and become quite distant from my views of the late 1990s...
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Yeah. I knew your grandpa and he said the same sort of thing about color. "THOSE DAMNED HUES and TONES, it'll never catch on!! It's a FAD!"
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We all know it. Big Fish is the worst, I wanted to puke. Event these images make me cringe. I'm sure this one will be the last one he does which has any interest from the public and his 'fans'.... urgh...
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Flabby goth bitches are going to wet their panties over this one, I've given up on Tim Burton long time ago. And yes, Ed Wood was his last good movie, and his best. I find his unique vision or costume/set design rather tired now since he's never done a fucking interesting thing with it once.
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Jun 23, 2009 6:38:32 AM CDT
why does he always, always, always have to use Depp Depp Deppp?
by livingwater
this this this is like the same same same movie with a different script......EVERY EVERY EVERY TIME ! ....nobody can tell him him him ???
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Maybe it's just my own personal prejudice though. I saw that movie after my Dad had died and I had no idea what BIG FISH was about going in, and I was balling like a baby by the end of the movie. In a way it really helped me process my loss. I've seen it since sans emotional baggage and it still holds up as an amazingly imaginatave adventure almost like an old Danny Kaye movie.
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Jun 23, 2009 7:13:18 AM CDT
Here's my opinion that no one asked for
by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead
Johnny Depp one of the greatest actors of his generation? Yeah, but he was held back so long by????????? Tim Burton We all know after the Pirates press that Depp likes to go all out with his characters. Has he proven that to be a good thing? I saw Public Enemies last Friday at an AICN screening and it was a huge reminder of how great of an actor Depp really is. Is it cool to every now and again watch him go all out? Yes and no. Depp needs to be controlled a little bit or else what we're left with is that horrendous child-molester Willy Wonka that shit all over Gene Wilder's genius. The same goes for Burton. Think of his best movies, or...really his only good movies. We Have Pee Wee, Beetlejuice, and Ed Wood. Pee Wee, yes it had Burton's touch but it was before Burton started sitting in the corner masturbating all day to his "odd, eerie visions." Same goes for Beetlejuice, it was a good, maybe great movie that was made around Burton's vision. It wasn't a vision that spawned a movie, which is what he's been giving us since. With the exception of Ed Wood. I don;t think too may people argue that Wood ishis best film. It's just a great movie, and again, it had Burton's touch, but it was simple, not over the top. The Burton vision culminated with the Wonka movie, that was the movie where he and Johnny Depp just ejaculated all over the screen and what a mess it was. Depp is a great actor with good ideas but he needs someone to reign him in at times. Yet, he gravitates to Burton because Burton lets him sit in the corner with him and yank it. The vision is old and tired, it always just looks like the same mess in every movie. Lately, I find his films unwatchable. You know what? I forgot about Big Fish; great movie. AND IT LACKED BURTON's MASTURBATORY STYLE!!!! Ya see? Maybe after having an orgasm all over the screen after Wonka, Burton can reign it in, maybe he can put a handle on his "vision," but it seems he's still letting Depp go over the top. The character doesn't look good. If they're going for scary, doesn't fit. If not, well...I don;t know the character just looks like shit to me. The set designs do look Burton-ized but Alice maybe can handle that. I'm thinking that now that Burton has blown his nuts all over the place with Wonka, maybe...just maybe...he can finally make the movie that he's had that vision for all of these years. Perhaps then he can justify using it in almost every movie he's ever made.
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confirmed on CNN
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Chitty Chitty Bang Bang kicks DM2H's ass. It's scarier and funnier when it wants to be.
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It's a fucking joke to say that he's a hack when there's a TB about Rob Zombie going on. It's not even close.
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My problem with Tim Burton is he only has HIS vision of the world (which we're invited to see again and again and it always looks pretty much the same) but he almost never explores ours. I still think his best work was Ed Wood...though Edward Scissorhands was interesting (but I LOATHED Beetlejuice...terribly overrated movie).
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Frankenweenie. Remember that one?
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...no way. Does he overindulge on the 'vision' thing, at the expense of story? Yeah. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is likely his worst movie to day, after Planet of the Apes. Burton is at his best when he brings his over the top style to the modern world or day to day events. See: Big Fish and Ed Wood.
It should have been Burton who directed Benjamin Button and not David Fincher; that would have been perfectly in his wheelhouse. I think ALICE will be another excuse for Burton to again go way overboard on the vision thing. -
Holds up well. Underrated.
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. . . Sleepy Hollow & Corpse Bride.
Sleepy Hollow lacked any ambiguity. It would have been way better if it had ended with Ichabod still debating in his own mind if the events were truly supernatural or merely a hoax.
The plot for Corpse Bride seemed too "paint-by-numbers". There was no real tension or suspense.
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I've never thought of it that way, but you're right that it's a lot like an old Danny Kaye movie.
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If you didn't know "9" was being made, then you haven't been to a movie theater in months. The trailer's been playing in front of half of the movies out there... you can't miss it, especially considering it used the most dramatic string parts of Coheed and Cambria's "Welcome Home"... a real attention-grabber.
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Who the hell cares? Boohoo, they're getting a divorce, like millions of other Americans. Oh, no, they have 8 children! And they wonder why their marriage didn't work?
We need to stop glorifying baby factories. You, too, can be on TV if you pop out a litter and ruin your marriage! Is that really the message we want to send?
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...how I missed it, either! I don't hit the theater weekly anymore, but I've been at least once a month for the last few. Just saw The Hangover and didn't catch the trailer if it was attached to that film.
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I mean, cool, that's your opinion. But could you give a reason for the loathing?
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This marketing campaign is a carbon copy of the one for Charlie and The Chocolate Factory: big high-res and lurid portrait shots of the main players accentuating their make-up against a slightly psychadelic backdrop. Depp looks like Wonka in every way; the palette is just different and he has scary contacts in. Hathaway is clearly standing in for Lisa Marie: Burton's glacial fairy princess figure. This will be a retread. everything about it feels overwhelmingly familiar. It will be as flossy and sweet as cotton candy and about as filling.
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I'll pass. The digital warping of the characters is an extra strike against.
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At least Burton HAD a style and take on it. Nolan is void of anything, bland and boring.
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It's amazing to me that the man that created three of my favorite movies of all time (Ed Wood, PWBA, and Beetlejuice) also created three of my most hated (Sweeney, POTA and CATCF). I have little confidence that this movie will appeal to me but will wait for the trailer to make my final judgment. Aside from Alice, these character shots are awful.