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Harry has seen THE EXPENDABLES in Action, Joking and making their film!
Holy Shit That Was Way Fucking Cool!
Ok. I’ve been doing this for 13-14 years now. Been on a lot of big sets, met a lot of big stars. But you know what? Going into THE EXPENDABLES stage in New Orleans and seeing chairs for Sylvester Stallone, Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, Terry Crews and Randy Couture. It kinda melts your brain.
But then, when they all file in, one after another. Shaking your hand and greeting you. Your brain does a wicked freak out.
We have all collectively been panting like dogs in heat for this film. Everything we’ve heard has been golden. The photos of real men doing real crazy shit… it has made us giddy. And the rumors of folks in, maybe in, wished were in – well it has lit our imaginations – but the real question is… Will it really rock?
So – today – without a very strong sleep history recently, I boarded a plane with Father Geek bound for New Orleans. The plane seemed to know how much I wanted to get there, as it arrived 28 minutes early!?!?! When the hell does that ever happen?
Ok, so then I found out that my call time for the set got moved up an hour and a half. So not only do I get to New Orleans early, but I find out I get to set earlier. Then, once I get to set I find out that all the Expendables will be there! Sly, Jason, Jet, Dolph, Terry & Randy!
Now – for all the film that has shot in Louisiana – I haven’t been to a single set there. No, it wasn’t some protest against the Louisiana Film Industry stealing Texas Films. No. For some reason it has just never worked out yet. I have to admit that I was a little surprised by just how rough the facilities were. It kinda looked like an abandoned warehouse, a bit dilapidated. The big building which held all the magic of THE EXPENDABLES, had mosquitoes and incredibly humid and uncomfortable sweaty conditions – which had a lot of ladies griping, but given it was actually about 15 degrees cooler than Austin – but with 90% humidity – it wasn’t so bad. BESIDES – would this be THE EXPENDABLES if everyone on set wasn’t sweating like they were in a sauna?
I didn’t think so either.
Ok – so what did I see on set?
When we entered the big stage area, I instantly noticed all the gear for The Expendables – along with several machete and large scary knives. All the equipment looked well used and brutalized. Then there was a large plane with that Expendables Raven perched upon a globe.
Past that was a stage with the interior of a Somali Pirate ship, where much death and mayhem was conveyed to me as happening there! But not today.
The next staging area had the top of the ship – which is where all the shooting today was taking place. When I arrived, they were resetting and Sly was rehearsing and blocking what he was shooting tonight. I was thirsty so we went to Craft Services – which is where I met Chad Stahelski, he’s the Stunt Coordinator on THE EXPENDABLES, as well as being the martial arts choreographer and 2nd Unit Director on NINJA ASSASSIN! We didn’t talk very long, but he’s been building up quite a resume of impressive films, and is also sometimes Keanu’s double in the MATRIX films.
The next person I met on set was Dolph Lundgren. I have to say… I was really giddy to meet Dolph. He was all dressed in his gear, various weapons hanging off of him, all black – but with his arms fully exposed. On his right arm was a tattoo of a traditional Dia De Los Muertos sugar skull, complete with all the bright colors. On the other arm was the “Expendables” tattoo of the Raven perched on a Skull. All the members of Stallone’s team has the tattoo. Not necessarily in the same place or size. Dolph struck me as being a bit shy. When I brought up that I liked DIRECT CONTACT, his latest Straight to DVD film, I think he thought I was kidding, till I started describing the scenes that I liked. And he became genuinely enthused that I had actually watched it and retained what happened.
I get the impression that Dolph doesn’t get much praise for his more recent work, but while these films he’s been a part of haven’t had the budgets or casts that would take them out of the DVD realm – they are straight action films shot in the old school manner. Something that folks like myself and Vern appreciate.
Next, I get loaded up in this motorized cart that steered like a rusty Model T. We were being shown the site of many recent explosions. The “Palace” set. And folks, it got blown up but good. Guard towers leveled. Craters. Blown up aircraft and vehicles. And by no means are they through blowing this shit up! They’ve got two more weeks of shooting and a lot of what they’re shooting is the hard core action stuff.
It was at this point that I learned what would be being shot today.
At the beginning of THE EXPENDABLES there will be a rescue mission, where some Somali Pirates have kidnapped and are ransoming some folks – and Sly and his team come in to pay them… and / or KILL THEM ALL. I’m not entirely sure.
What I saw seemed like the beginning of the scene. How it becomes action packed.
Now the day I was there wasn’t a very smooth day for Sly and crew. The scene involved the EXPENDABLES having an elevated position above the pirates, which are in the hold below. Our guys have the drop on them – and first Randy Couture’s TOLL ROAD tosses a bag with allegedly $3 million in it to the Pirates, but these pirates want more. And you can feel the tension ramp up. Everyone grips their guns a bit tighter. Lasers finding their targets – when Dolph’s Gunnar Jensen bursts into the scene – coming completely out of left field with a Pirate joke. Which basically ends in a grenade gun making a big boom.
The night was basically about making this scene work. Honestly, it wasn’t working at the beginning or during the first 4 hours of shooting it. Lundgren’s tone was flat or loud – and Sly knew that Dolph could bring more to it, if he pushed him. To Stallone – this scene was a gateway to Lundgren’s character here. He’s a bit druggy, the rest of the team kind of doesn’t want him there anymore. He’s a bit burnt out and flakey as all fuck. Obviously – In a Somali Pirate HOSTAGE situation, telling a Pirate joke… not the right move.
I think Dolph was having trouble with where the character was coming from, Dolph seems like a very bright guy, we all know about his history at MIT – but Sly was wanting the character to be the exact opposite of Dolph. Someone that was instinctually irrational – a loose cannon that seemed to not care about the process. Someone with drug issues, that the rest of the team doesn’t trust – and right from the first scene, he wants the character to sell it.
But at the beginning of the day, Dolph had a long way to go to get there with the character. I also felt that Dolph isn’t a jokey kind of guy. His rhythm wasn’t natural for telling the joke, until much later in the process.
It is at a moment like this on a film, where you really get a glimpse at a director and how he handles situations like this. How he helps an actor to tap into something that they may not know they have in them. Because make no mistake about it, Sly absolutely believed in Dolph for making the scene work.
The scene in question had the whole team there. Sly, Jason, Jet, Terry, Randy and Dolph. The scene was basically between 3 characters – Stallone’s Barney Ross, Dolph’s Gunnar Jensen and the lead Somali Pirate Amin Joseph, I think… though I know THE REVENANT’s Senyo Amoaku was also on set doing his part! But the toughest part came to Dolph.
After the first series of takes, it became evident that this scene was going to take some work. Sly used the break to change his angles for the 5 or so cameras that were shooting the scene. As Dolph continued to wrestle with the scene, Stallone decided before the midnight lunch break – to offer up a series of quick improv’d lines for the rest of the team.
Almost without exception they were derogatory towards Dolph’s Gunnar. Sly told Dolph to mime his scene, while a series of close-ups of each character was busting on Gunnar’s gonads. I really liked this, as it gave Sly an out if Dolph couldn’t fully pull the scene off, but more than that – it showed Dolph that it was possible that if he didn’t nail this scene – it would be divvied up amongst his co-stars… and no actor likes to see a big scene move away from them.
At lunch, Dolph became pretty sullen. Having quiet talks with his associate. Not looking very happy, but mainly I feel he was beating himself up. You could tell that it meant a lot to him to nail the scene. But it was tough for him.
When we came back from lunch, we went right back into it. And for a brief period – Dolph was on the right track – but as the scene further developed to the Grenade Launcher’s inclusion – Dolph shifted his focus on that a bit and kinda went fast and loose with the lines. Not enunciating things the way Stallone wanted and losing some intensity. Sly began to show his aggravation not at Dolph directly, but in further improving his own dialogue – throwing in Captain Crunch and other more violent phrasing towards the Somali Pirate leader.
But he began cutting the second he heard something wrong, he’d cut Dolph off and take it from the top. You could feel Dolph getting frustrated, but what came through the camera wasn’t frustration, but something growing more and more unhinged. It was what Sly was looking for. And after two successful takes they moved on to the live grenade gun firing. Which was loud and glorious!
This took a long time. During nearly every break – Jason Statham came over to chat. I’ve never met him before, though I have been a fan of his work. Jason’s career has spanned AICN’s history. From LOCK, STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS to SNATCH to THE TRANSPORTER, THE ITALIAN JOB, COLLATERAL, CELLULAR, CRANK and CRANK 2. Those are my faves. But he’s also been in some pretty shit films, films that he himself has misgivings for – as they did not turn out as he imagined when looking at the page. He’s really hoping that this film with Jet Li will mark the saying, “Third Time’s The Charm,” as being a truism.
Jason asked about my thoughts on 3D, CG vs. Practical and a whole host of subjects. Sometimes a cigar toking Stallone would join our conversations – and it was all rather informal. I honestly don’t really like the “interview” process. It gets factoids about people, but rarely offers insight into who they are, or what they care about. Much of what was on Jason’s mind was my thoughts on future film technology that he didn’t have experience with yet… like 3D, Motion Capture, Piracy and so forth.
We talked about his experience on the film – and how for him it isn’t about a spectacular stunt he did, but really being a part of the team of remarkable slabs of man meat that were shooting this film. From most everyone that I talked to, it seemed that Jason and Sly have gotten along famously. Essentially stating that their character interaction has basically become a “Buddy pic” relationship. Everyone felt this film is gonna bring out a lighter side to Jason, though Statham never stated that himself.
I brought up how upset I was when the “geniuses” at Screen Gems veto’d John Carpenter’s casting of Jason Statham as Desolation Williams in GHOSTS OF MARS. Which sent Jason into expressing a great deal of love for John Carpenter. He really wanted that role, as it would have been his first big starring role in the U.S. Sadly, the suited monkeys didn’t think he could carry a film. Something that over the next subsequent years was proven dead wrong.
At one point in our conversation, Jason began worshipping at the altar of Rick Baker’s brilliant transformation sequence in AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON and longed to see a return to that sort of work, versus CG. We discussed a lot. He really came across as a great guy. Especially when he attempted to kill me in an elaborate series of moves that he was recently trained in. So basically folks. Jason could’ve killed me had he wanted to win all you talkbackers over.
For those of you wanting to know about Arnie’s involvement – I can only tell you that Arnold’s character has an incredibly badass truck, that has been so customized that I dare not guess at a make or model, but it looked as though it probably sprung from a late 40s model truck. But that’s a wild guess.
Arnold will be shooting his scene at some point in Los Angeles, I hear, but he hasn’t shot his part yet. But I know a truck will be involved and the truck is badass!
The main thing is – it seems that Sly is being very dedicated to making this film kick a lot of ass. He has been working to build each of the characters as their own unique beings. Giving them enough to work with so that they’re not just a bunch of muscles. And there are a BUNCH of muscles on that set.
Randy Couture’s forearm is one of the scariest forearms I’ve seen. Rippling like a harp of pain. Then there’s the giant, Terry Crews… That guy looks like the embodiment of John Henry! Inhumanly large shoulders and arms, but man – watching the costume people strapping on all his gear – he just got meaner and meaner looking. But then he’d flash a crazy charming smile. Jet Li, is probably my greatest regret of the trip. I shook his hand, he smiled that awesome Jet Li smile, but he pretty much hung out with his group of associates and friends. Dolph looked awesome! His face has just so much character in it now and physically he seems to be in excellent shape contrary to that beach vacation shots that were all the rage a few months back.
Now for the one piece of BAD NEWS. Danny Trejo is not in the film. Sly met with him. Loved him. But just couldn’t really place him in the film where he felt Danny fit – that would do the film service as well as Danny. But I get the idea that at a point in the future we’ll see them work together.
Things that are still up in the air: No confirmed release date yet, just some time in 2010. There’s also no ETA on a teaser trailer or full trailer. I’m very curious to see how this film plays out. As we all know – this group of actors – individually have not always made the best of films each time out of the gate, but they are very intent on making this one count. And I don’t think there’s a single one of us that are rooting against them. Because to us, they are certainly NOT expendable.
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boo-yah.
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$hit!
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That was a set visit report. That's what I wanted more than any hyperbole, more than any sexual innuendos, more than PR filler crap. Thanks for taking us on the set. NOW I'm fucking pumped for this film.
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Harry, do you have any info on the casting of Church cameo/character?
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...PG13? Stallone was fucking with us, right? Or is it going to be a Drag Me To Hell PG13?
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I scrolled to the Statham part and read that first (but you probably knew I would do that).
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is already being written, its the text above with the following added at the end: 'It is the best movie in the history of everything, I cried' -THE END
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but I gotta say, if they were going to do matching "Expendables" tattoos, I wish it was just a big ugly brand of the word EXPENDABLE
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They let you take them sometimes. Great read this one was, by the way.
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That's very important to me!
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The unit photographer took some photos - hopefully they'll send some, and I'll add them in a future story. But they didn't want me running around snapping shots while they tried to work.
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how knowledgeable/involved is Stallone with camera work, shot setup, angles, lenses, etc.? I hear a lot about him actually being very good with actors, and you gave a great glimpse into that, but all the movies he's directed have been a little, you know, clunky, directorially. Rocky Balboa and Rambo were both well edited and paced, but the shot selection was so BORING, sorry to say. I honestly wonder if he knows that getting people hooked into his characters and stories is enough, and rudimentary visual direction is enough. but then a movie like this comes along, that is completely an ensemble piece, with presumable 4-6 people on screen at a time, and a more cinematographically inclined director would feel much more at home, I'd think. does he leave a large amount of those decisions to the DP? is he stepping it up a bit?and don't let the haters get you down, Big Guy. I for one would be super bummed if Statham had broken your neck and then gone for a slushie.
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nice one
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This movie's cast is just ridiculous, should be a lot fun to see these guys all together in a movie.
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Check out some of the sites online. It all comes full circle, man.
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But really sorry to hear about Danny Trejo. That sucks.
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Can't wait for it. Then Stallone can follow up with that Poe bio-pic.
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was really hoping they would go a different route with conan this time, stick closer to REH. another muscle-bound oaf. brilliant. damn it, terry1978, you've ruined my night.
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no really, they truly gotta eat
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And it better not be a bunch of old famous broads from genre films past. A couple of those would be okay, but c'mon.
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Lemme get this straight.... the plot involves a group of mercenaries going to SOUTH AMERICA.....and they couldnt find a role for Trejo?!!?!? If "MACHETE" hadn't been greenlit I'd be pissed!!! Sly better write a role in "Expendables 2"
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I don't know, Jet Li seems out of place among those guys. Carl Weathers or someone other '80s western action star might have been aight.
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Now, just bring Sly back here for a question/answer forum. That would be fantastic.
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He would have nailed that scene. I'm sorry, but no matter how smart Dolph Lungdren supposedly is, he is not a good actor. He is flat, stiff, and lacks charisma. Watch "Showdown in Little Tokyo" for plenty of evidence of this. Van Damme would have certainly pulled off the scene Lungdren had such trouble with.
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No Bill Duke = No Deal
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cue ballerina jokes
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I'm dying to tell my friends, if I had any that is :(
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fuck yeaaaaaaaaaaaah
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PG13 OR R. Fuck, you know we're all dying to know. I don't know anyone excited over this movie, that wants a damn PG13 rating. Just tell us what you think Sly may be shooting for from all the shit you saw. Pleeeeeease, this shit is really killing me, bro.
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Sly brought us the goods in Rocky Balboa and the unbelievably ass-kicking Rambo, so I have no doubt that The Expendables will deliver the goods once again. Thank you Sly for keeping the traditional action movie alive and well!!
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This movie will rock, though.
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I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT HIM RECENTLY, BUT HE STILL SHOWS UP ON THE IMDB.COM CAST LIST. HOPEFULLY, HE'S BUSY SHOOTING IRON MAN 2 AND HE WILL COME BACK TO FILM HIS SCENES AFTER THAT WRAPS.
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But I sure as shit hope it is a hard R. Rambo style.
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Pretty sure Rourke is in it . I have read at least 2 interviews with Rourke where he talks about it
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Anyone know whether Stallone and co. will make ti to Comic-Con this year?
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http://www.latinoreview.com/news/debunked-kickinger-not-conan-7187Don't believe everything you read on the web. Except this post. And that The Expendables will have full ownership of our asses next year.
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...that The Expendables will be given a great review by Harry? Probably so.
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Jun 19, 2009 1:33:29 AM CDT
Where the walls padded thick to contain the awesomeness?
by gibsonusa returns
So much of it in that room.
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I'm not your biggest fan, but I really enjoyed reading that set report. Well done.
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really why? i dont get the hype
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I live in New Orleans and I didn't see you there, ergo, the veracity of your statements doan hole watah, cher. Eat all dem chips, yere?
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Jun 19, 2009 1:50:42 AM CDT
So is the name "Expendables" reference to action stars?
by gibsonusa returns
...who have their time then are seemingly cast off? Wonder if Sly will address the name in the DVD commentary.
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EAT ALL DEM CHIPS, Y'HEAR?!!!
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come on man, i don't think Vern gets paid for all the years he's done stuff here. please ask sly to send him down there.
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Because it's sexy bulky men blowing shit up. It gives us hard ons. You really need this explained, you little wimp!
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I Believe in You!
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Total respect to Dolph for sticking in there and nailing the scene. The guy is awesome and Sly is amazing for seeing his potential. These guys should have made more movies together.
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But ony if Sly can take it to a level on par with Rambo:First Blood 2 where there was the right mix of action and violence and where it still stands to repeat viewings today. Many have copied none have equalled. Cosmatos did for Sly what Siegel did for Eastwood.
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hip hip.......
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and his wife's vagina later on.
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When i was about 15 (twenty years ago) i wrote to Sly and the guy sent me a signed photo. I still have it. THe guy is genuine and KNOWS he has fans, RESPECTS the fans, and ultimately WORKS for the fans. This guy GIVES 100% and wants to PLEASE his fans and not just make moolah ($)
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FOR COSMATOS, FOR THE FANS, FOR THE LEGACY!
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post talkbacks!
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er...hooray!
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About 5 times on cinema
Buy the Blu-ray
Buy the directors cut
Buy the film companion
Buy the PS3 game (I wanna be Dolph)
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RESPECT
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and bow before dolph.
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DOLPH BELIEVES IN ME.
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This is my most anticipated film of the century.
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Danny Trejo, JCVD, Bill Duke, Kurt Russell, Michael Biehn, Hulk Hogan.
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Jun 19, 2009 4:05:56 AM CDT
Fascinating, candid stuff, Harry. Can't wait for this movie!
by mr nicholas
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Jun 19, 2009 4:17:29 AM CDT
when he attempted to kill me in an elaborate series of moves tha
by masteryoda007
Come on Jason why stop at trying to kill him.? You could have ended Harry's existence in under 1 second yet he survives to fight another day?
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All ye Dolphites et al Slyralites listen to the message from the forbidden place called STALLONEZONE and ye shall be cleansed of the plagues of Ratner, Anderson & McG sayeth King Omega_786
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...Should have been in Expendables but would to see him in Commando 2.
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This film will fuck your girlfriend and then go grab a sandwich from your fridge before you set down your controller.
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...And it says stuff like ...'the director of' and then names previous films. Well i think for Expendables it should say ' Directed by Sylvester Stallone - creator of the high octane action genre.
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something like 'Directed by Stallone - you know who the fuck i am'
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i'd like to see Stallone topless in this one...check that testosterone out. Actually the film could say 'Directed by Sylvester 'Testosterone' Stallone.
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Cos what i meant was Stallone being topless to show off scars and tattoos like Rambo.
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Stallone directing Dolph and telling him to use the phone to say 'i'm checking out pirate-bay' and Sly saying 'CUT! - I need more intensity Dolph'
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...I went to the movies with my Uncle. There was a guy, about 17 years old, sitting next to my Uncle on the other side, all by himself. And a few minutes into the movie my Uncle unzipped the kid's pants and started jerking him off. I was like, "Uncle, what are you doing?!!", and he was like, "What?" And I was like "Why are you jerking that kid off?", and he shrugged, and said "Why not? *FAP FAP FAP*" And I said, "Stop it", and the kid said, "Shut the fuck up you faggot, and I'm trying to bust a nut...ohhhh yes....ohhhhh yes....ohhhhhhhh" Yep, that's what this reminds me of.
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Although Willis had been rumored to play the part, he's tied to 'A Couple of Dicks'.
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Michael Biehn should get the part.
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Great set report Harry..But did you catch any wind of what is going on with the Church casting?
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WHAT'S IT GONNA BE RATED!?!? THIS IS THE ONE QUESTION--THE ONLY FUCKING QUESTION-- WE GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT RIGHT NOW!?!?
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I'd like to know, though I also think Michael Biehn is an awesome next choice, too.
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You are the fucking man. You shouldn't consider Collateral a favorite Statham film though, he's in it for 4 seconds. Its like saying Young Guns is my favorite Tom Cruise movie, when it is actually Legend.
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HERE'S THE THING, HARRY... INSTEAD OF WASTING OUR FUCKING TIME RAMBLING ON ABOUT HOW GODDAMNED GOOD DIRECT CONTACT WAS(NT)(MAKE NO MISTAKE, FOLKS, DIRECT CONTACT IS FUCKING UNWATCHABLE--HENCE THE STRAIGHT TO DVD), WHY THE FUCK AREN'T YOU ASKING THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION, HUH? WHAT IN THE NAME OF RAMBO IS THE MOVIE GOING TO BE RATED!?
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Imagine the level of carnage seen in Rambo brought to a movie about not one, but multiple Predators? The sheer possiblity of that potential bliss is unmistakeably blissfully blissful to the nth degree of unknown bliss.
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I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL OF US WHEN I SAY WE ALL LOVE DOLPH, REALLY WE DO. AND FOR ONE FUCKING REASON:
ROCKY 4! YEAH, YEAH, UNIVERSAL SOLDIER WAS COOL, BUT ONLY BECAUSE IT PITTED JCVD AGAINST THAT 'DUDE FROM ROCKY 4'! AGAIN, MY CHUBBY LITTLE FRIEND, WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GONNA BE RATED!? -
Hey dipshit, how the hell should Harry know what rating it's going to be? The makers of the movie don't even know that. Once they've finished the final cut, it'll be submitted to the MPAA and they'll decide. So shut the fuck up and stop your bitchy whining. Jeez.
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Listen up everyone, we all know that Harry sits and monitors all of the TB's of his posts sweating, naked, with a ding-dong in one hand and a fucking Suzie-Q in the other. Why doe he do this? Because that's one thing that Harry is actually really fucking good at, answering the questions we all throw at him. Yet, despite begs and pleas for an answer in numeorus TB's on this movie, Harry has remained silent on the Rating. Now let's really stop and think about this because it isn't too fucking difficult and all chatter about this movie being PG-13 should stop cuz it aint gonna happen. First off, we have SLy stating the now infamous PG-13 comment, when? On April fucking Fool's Day. This has spawned an incredible amount of protest and creaming but most importantly, ut has keopt all of us talking about the movie. It has set us up to be falling over ourselves wit glee and ejaculations just for finding out that the movie is rated R. Now, think back to the moment we heard about Rocky Balboa and Rambo 4, the main consensus was something like this, "BWAAAHHAAAHHAHHA" Right? Two things changes our minds. The first was that Rocky Balboa was actually really damn good and earned its spot up with some of the best Rocky movies and it fucking owned the others. The second thing that changed our inds was a Stallone directed red-band trailer that we all watched on this site of Rambo 4. Do you remember the first time you saw that? Holy fuck, we all went apeshit. So now, we have Sly, an intelligent man who has proven himself to be incredibly in tune with his fans, knowing what his winning formula was for this comeback stage of his career. Carnage, absolute fucking carnage. Bringing the violence back to an R rated action movie. Making an action movie for his adult fans because the teenagers today don;t give a fuck about him anyway and he knows it. Now he has assembled this incredible cast and seemingly promised an old-school, flat-out, balls to the wall, old school action movie. Do you really think he would go the PG route? Or even PG-13? Consider that Harry could end this discussion based on what he saw on this set visit alone. He watched a scene of carnage. Now, he could easily tell us whether or not this scene of carnage is more akin to an R rated movie or if Stallone has pussied out to grab the teenagers. Yet, Harry remains silent despite the fact that Harry gets off, and we all know that Harry gets off on answering our little questions and thinking he has the answers. WHY???? That's the inportant question, why? I think Stallone has told Harry, or asked Harry to keep quiet about the rating and the level of violence that he has witnessed because Stallone is planning on blowing us all out of the water with the ultimate red-band trailer from hell! If that's not so, than Harry just spent 6 hours with a group of people who all have the answer to one the hottest questions on his site and didn;t ask anyone. If that's the case, he's a moron and should send someone else on trips like this who might actually ask a simple question that we have all been screaming for moths now. My two cents.
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while there are instances of movies that were meant to be released theatrically and the studio decides to dump it, make no mistake, Dolph isn't in that group. Neither is Van Damme or Segal for that matter...their movies were made with the budget and production values and knowledge that it would be DTV. so to accuse any of Dolph's movies being so bad they were "dumped", well that's just impossible.
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PG-13 rating can backfire. Consider it!
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LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE ASS LICKING, D & D PLAYING CUM STAIN, HARRY FUCKING KNOWS WE WANNA KNOW WHAT THE FILM IS GONNA BE RATED. HE FUCKING KNOWS THIS IF HE READS THESE STUPID TALKBACKS... EVERY TIME 'THE EXPENDABLES' IS MENTIONED ON THIS SITE, EVERY OTHER FUCKING TEN COMMENTS OR SO FOLKS ARE ASKING THE SAME FUCKING QUESTION: WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GONNA BE RATED!? SO, WHAT NOT COMMENT ON THE USE OF PROFANITY (OR NOT) IN ANY ONE SCENE HE IS DESCRIBING INSTEAD OF FUCKING RAVING ABOUT 'DIRECT CONTACT WITH A REALLY BAD MOVIE'???? SEE MY POINT? PROBABLY NOT, BUT WHO GIVES A FUCK ANYWAY, RIGHT? I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO ANYWAY, LIKE DESTROYING SOME DRAGONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
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Sorry for the long post and sorry this arcane, cheap ass site has no edit feature. I mean, I love this site as much as the next guy but Jesus Christ, get out of the 90's!
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God, it was awful. Totally unwatchable. Hideous acting, and dare I say it? Terrible direction from one of my cinema heroes. I'll always be pissed at this site for pumping me up so much for that tired, cliched, well-beaten-path, piece of garbage. What the fuck happened to Sam Raimi? First Spiderman 3 and now this? Ugh...
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How are you, my friend? I always enjoy reading your posts, but must say I'm not sold on your latest. I hope you're right and all, but believe you are forgetting the current trend of PG-13 action films? And too, were 'they' joking with a PG-13 rating for Die Hard and Terminator 4? I mean, really, man, you'd think those two, they WOULD have been joking about, right? Wrong. It's all about money, and if the studio stipulated to Sly that it will be PG-13, it will... and movies like this-- movies that should be rated R instead of PG-13-- delay the 'official' rating until the very last minute to build excitement and delay fan backlash... happens all the time.
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EVERYTHING.
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Jet: "I blake you light back!"
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Jun 19, 2009 7:19:09 AM CDT
THE POSTERS FOR THE EXPENDABLES WILL BE SO BALEDAMNED AWESOME
by ayatollahsexyback
Can you imagine these guys on one fucking poster? Guys and gals alike will be spontaneously jizzing.
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damm you jason! well at least jet li had the good sense to stay away.
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Once you get a faceful of SlyJasonJetDolphRandyetc, the only possible outcome is fucked eyeballs.
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I think the difference between Die Hard 4 and Terminator 4 is Sly's willing to listen to the fans. Look at the fiddy cent backlash and how Sly resonded to us by showing him his walking papers. Harry could easily end this debate by simply reporting what he saw, yet he doesn't. I think, or hope, there's a reason for that. But you're right, lately it does happen all the time, the integrity of living up to all thse great films is shitcanned in favor of extending them with a homgenized (sic?) sequel to bring in the 13 year-old's. On this one, I really hope I'm right.
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Fuck it, watered down.
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and his pussy cast
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there is no loving both!
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with the shitty cast of: schweiger, myers, roth, kruger etc
IN SLY WE TRUST! -
Expendables = Naked Bristol in a bed with satin sheets
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Hillary Clinton slipped and broke her arm, so I think you should help her by opening up the fly of her pant suit, and licking all up on her labia. Just lick those elephant ears up and down. She doesn't shave so it won't be too prickly, but it might be a little bumpy from what I've heard. Then put a finger in her cooch while sucking on her love button, and rub-a-rub-a-rub her G-spot til she squirts.
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One of your all time best. Sounds like Dolph will nail that character.
And Jason S.? Very, very cool. I hope he gets a chance to work with Carpenter and Rick Baker some time in the future.
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Sounds hot!
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thats for sure, he was on the set some weeks ago.
mickey did some days of shoting 4 the expendables and went back 2 the iron man set after that.
willis was confirmed 2 play church and will shot his scenes with arnold together as far as i know, til this day.
but changes may come?
sadly no michael biehn, damn i hoped he would be in this but maybe in part two, lets wait?!
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Harry, you fucking deliver like an aging boxer with a solid right hook. Damn, you can still bring it. I want more of this, brother!
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Because right now he is completely naked and sitting on a dildo he had mounted on a bar stool and hopping up and down on it while jerking off and staring at a large Rocky IV poster, the one where Stallone is wrapped in an American flag and his mouth is open like he's moaning, and ABKing is imagining that Stallone is climaxing at that very moment while he violently beats his meat.
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Michael Bay will not see this film unless it features robot testicles. He considers movies without robot testicles to be a complete waste of time. GIVE MICHAEL BAY WHAT HE WANTS! MICHAEL BAY WANTS BIG BALLS!
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he is a Toronto actor, a new face, and has talent! This only comes out in 2010, there is still time! Check the proof here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Od4sFlyECw
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role of Vinnie Jones,and the Asian dude in The Condemned. Steve Austin would not have a chance, Dolph would have killed Jet, and they could have just named the movie Oleg's Island.
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So that geeks can live vicariously through the geek expendable and imagine that they too are an Expendable. Someone like Wil Wheaton, or Rainn Wilson, or Judah Friedlander, and at the end of every day the geek Expendable should massage the sore back and shoulders of all the other expendables, and the geeks watching can imagine that it's their own geek hands rubbing all those muscles.
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computer geek expendable. He could kick Cody Banks' ass.
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Did anyone mention Bruce Willis joining the cast of this flick? Of all the people we nerds want to see (Carl Weathers, Trejo, JCVD) Bruce has me the most excited. Bruce's name on the cast would turn this film from a "Balls out non-stop thrill ride" to "TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION"
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A MUST: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Od4sFlyECw
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Gary Coleman should be one of the Expendables, too, and Emmanuel Lewis should be one of the villains, and then Gary and Webster fight to the death in hand to hand combat. Sly, make it so.
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Sounds like the most testosterone on a set since Predator.
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You know, a break in the action where every thing kind of slows down, and things become real calm and you get some insight into the characters. And they'll be sitting around telling jokes, and then they'll tell some stories about their most bad-ass encounters, and then eventually they start talking about women and their ex-wives and girlfriends, and the hottest girls they've ever fucked. Then Randy Couture will suggest that they let off some steam, so they all remove their pants, and start jerking off the guy to their left as they sit in a circle around the fire. A ceremonial Indian drum will play in the background as they enact the most spectacular circle jerk ever to be filmed.
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for men!
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as the guy who serves sandwiches and juice to the Expendables?
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...and he'll serve the Expendables a tray of hot dogs, but when Sly goes to take his hot dog, it will appear to be stuck, and he'll keep yanking and yanking on it while ABKing's eyes roll back into his head and he lets out a guttural moan.
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That sounds hot!
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Jun 19, 2009 9:16:35 AM CDT
if chuck norris plays the president, binks, spandau, caruso and
by ironic_name
will have to sue.
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straight men that is.
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Jun 19, 2009 9:23:28 AM CDT
I can't fucking stand when people say "CRAFT SERVICES"
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Its just fucking desperate "Industry Talk" bullshit. Yeah-- everyone here understands what the fuck that means. You could have easily said "I was thirsty so I got a drink and ran into....." Wow so you're their special guest, and they gave you a free fucking Sprite. Bravo. We're all jealous.
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"Extreme edition" for DVD with footage not seen in theatres with a digital copy
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anytime Law and Order is filming in the hood.
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There must be a scene at the end where EWB can sing her trash.
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Oh no, gay men will definitely gravitate to the Expendables. And that's good for box office.
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Jun 19, 2009 9:31:09 AM CDT
IT'S THE LEAST THEY OWE ME FOR MAKING ME CROSS THE STREET
by ayatollahsexyback
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"Hey foodbot what do you have for us today?"
"Hey foodbot let me get some ketchup."
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Stallone was smart enough not to get Brad Pitt.
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Jun 19, 2009 9:57:32 AM CDT
" mosquitoes and incredibly humid and uncomfortable sweaty condi
by gaiusthebrave
Welcome to New Orleans! It was actually only 4-5 degrees cooler here. But, who's measuring?
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Jun 19, 2009 10:03:09 AM CDT
Harry, get Sly to put Steve Kasan as Church! A new face and..
by kenshiro_187
A new talent! The old guys are cool and awesome, but when they are gone, who's next to step up? Dwayne and Diesel messed up, please don't tell me that any of the Gossip Girl homos or Shia are the ones to do so! Steve Kasan, Harry! Make it so!
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IF the film is rated R then there's scope for a trilogy at least. And the best thing...Sly just needs to cameo in the others & let either Dolph or Statham lead the assualt.
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Looking at the $200 million and more worldwide box office potential i reckon they are all on %.
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Jun 19, 2009 10:26:47 AM CDT
SLY NEEDS TO GROW SOME BALLS. TELL US THE RATING.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Right fucking now.
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Dolph isn’t a jokey kind of guy, my ass.
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I hope this makes him a star, he is also funny as shit.
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who else will they market this to? Not fucking limpwristed kids who watch Twilight.
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Harry, new talent that must be found! And he wants to be in here not like fucking Seagal.
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Jun 19, 2009 10:42:07 AM CDT
FUCK SEAGAL, Steve Kasan is tens times better than Steven Seagal
by kenshiro_187
Sly, Harry, Lionsgate Reps, whoever, you have a talent to use in Steve!
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I must have missed that, reading that put a big smile on my face. I'm so happy I'm gonna inject my ass with steroids twice today!
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Jun 19, 2009 10:45:01 AM CDT
Fuck Trejo too! He Mexi-Can't where Steve Kasan can Mexi-Can
by kenshiro_187
The Truth Suckahs, if you can count!
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Tony Jaa instead of Jet Li.
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come on the American Ninja deserves to be in this.
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Learn! To! Write!
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and worry about the rating later. It's going to be great. Stop worrying about it.
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WHEN HARRY MET STATHY.
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Worth the look Sly!
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Jun 19, 2009 11:12:30 AM CDT
FORGET STEVE KASAN, GET TERESA FROM REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ
by ayatollahsexyback
She flipped a fucking table last week!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBNMe8GfTVI
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Teresa can do strip tease for the Dictator like Jaime Lee in True Lies.
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Somalian pirates getting gunned down in slow motion. Could be an opportunity to call in the Exotic Wailing Bitch?
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Jun 19, 2009 11:21:42 AM CDT
AyatollahSexyBack, or she blow the dictator just when...
by kenshiro_187
Sly and the gang fuck this up!
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Jun 19, 2009 11:23:21 AM CDT
seriously though, Sly should look into getting Steve...and EWB!
by kenshiro_187
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Holy shit, get them both you're right!!!!
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Do not give us a PG 13. Really think there's another Rambo in you as well... Lose the belly and take that shirt off in this one. You looked BLOATED in the last one. (We both know why) Good luck with Expendables.
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Legend has it that the Exotic Wailing Bitch wears one of those burkas with a ninja slit. Not because she's muslim. Just for the mystery.
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Sly, get them both! Steve Kasan and that Terese cunt as Exotic Wailing Bitch.
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for realz!
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sold. count me in big guy.you sold me with rocky balboa-i pretty much dug rambo, and this...well...you jsut "get" us aintit-coolers.rock on, and count on my $10
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http://tinyurl.com/ ck5cds
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One scene have Sly's character ride her ass hard then get a phone call to do the mission!
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Can you recommend a good free pic hosting site that's not such a nazi on barely NSFW pics?
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Sometimes photobucket lets you get away with shit, sometimes not. With the site, I can just upload right from my desktop.
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Jun 19, 2009 11:58:42 AM CDT
life will be both better after seeing this, but also sad
by ironic_name
that we won't ever get that much coolness on screen again.
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We need to hear it.
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That is why you will own a copy of this and watch it religiously to honor the Gods....
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Expendables 2/3/4. If it makes enough dough, count on it.
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Bruce's chin is one of the sets, so technically he is in it.I think Biehn died back in the early 90's.
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He slaved over that site, night and day.
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Jun 19, 2009 12:13:45 PM CDT
"In no verse you are better as Segal" Get the fuck outta here!
by kenshiro_187
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the "pictures of real men" really got me going too!
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Jun 19, 2009 12:16:32 PM CDT
You got your opinion fine, but Randy Couture cant act either..
by kenshiro_187
You watch Scorpion King 2, fucking shit! But you got your opinion.
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He doesn't do ensemble pictures=Sly, I'm not doing this shit.
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Jun 19, 2009 12:20:09 PM CDT
Steven Seagal's taint has a better chance than Steve Kasan
by juansanchez
of ending up in The Expendables.
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I see the same fuckers get all the roles, the same vanilla midgets. There is tons of talent out there waiting to be discovered now with the net we can find talent. You think he's shit, fine, two sides to the coin you know. I think he is great.
Thats why Im rooting for him otherwise we have to go through god knows what. If this rakes in huge money, who knows, Lionsgate might tell Sly to put in Robert Pattison, you want that? Studio Execs has the money you know, even Sly can't fight that.
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I forget - was it because he really is a dick in real life and wouldn't join the ensemble?
Not sure about Jet Li in this, doesn't really work for me.
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dancetothebeatofthelivingdead, what are you talking about? Harry pretty much NEVER answers people Talkback questions. That's one of many readers' biggest peeves, in fact--he ignores questions thrown his way.
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Statham, Crews, Austin and Coture aren't 80s icons. Only Stallone and Dolph are true 80s icons. Now man, you have your say and I had mine, its friday, lets just end it at that.
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Jun 19, 2009 12:34:57 PM CDT
DavidCarradine, dude again, I am not Steve. but I am white or..
by kenshiro_187
caucasian to be politically correct. And Irish.
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Jun 19, 2009 12:36:55 PM CDT
DavidCarradines, next thing you know they have Pattison for Mad
by kenshiro_187
You never know these days, Pattison as Max in Fury Road. It can happen!
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Jun 19, 2009 12:37:46 PM CDT
I can't even find Kasan on IMDB. Not even an actual actor.
by juansanchez
Just some fanboy pretending to be a fan of himself.
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He spent all his days in wrestling.
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Some resource, IMDB.
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Just watched about 30 seconds of his youtube audition. Shouldn't this guy at least look tough?
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I am just saying in general. I am not saying Austin cannot do action movies but there should be someone ready to go as the new generation. Tony Jaa can be that guy.
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"Allahu akbar Bale!" — "Bale is great!"
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Steve - if you want to be an actor then pursue your dream. Take classes, work out, audition for parts and so on. But please don't get your hopes up for this online push. Your time would be better spent taking classes, reading books on acting and so on.
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I will send him your advice.
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Gee was this trip on your dime or there's. Let me hazard a guess. You wheel around set and then have nothing but good things to say about the film when it comes out.
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Jun 19, 2009 12:53:18 PM CDT
David, I was not even referring to Steve for the New generation
by kenshiro_187
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He is plain and simple!
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Jun 19, 2009 12:58:43 PM CDT
Again I am not Steve, David, but I will relay your message
by kenshiro_187
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Jun 19, 2009 12:59:44 PM CDT
As long as Tony Jaa kicks ass then the acting is forgiveable
by kenshiro_187
Worked for Seagal, Van Damme, basically all the guys we grew up with.
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The main bad guy.
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who will blast it with a flaming leg kick.
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Jun 19, 2009 1:05:51 PM CDT
TERESA: "YOU BITCH! PROSTITUTION WHORE! ENGAGED 19 TIMES?!"
by ayatollahsexyback
Jet: "Shut up bitch! I cut you!!!!"
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Jun 19, 2009 1:05:57 PM CDT
I agree to that, Micheal Jay looked puny compared Adkins
by kenshiro_187
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Jun 19, 2009 1:06:58 PM CDT
THERE'S MORE TESTOSTERONE IN THIS TALKBACK THAN IN BASTURDS
by ayatollahsexyback
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Till next time huh? And no, I am not Steve but I will say you thought he was soft and sweet.
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Look at Shia's success. I'm sorry but that's how Hollyweird works.
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Jun 19, 2009 1:12:08 PM CDT
FORGET MOVIES - GO BE A PERSONAL TRAINER TO THE STARS
by ayatollahsexyback
You'll get more money and pussy than from being an actor.
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Jun 19, 2009 1:16:06 PM CDT
SLY: "JET, I WANT YOU TO MEET HARRY KNOWLES FROM AINTITCOOL"
by ayatollahsexyback
Jet: "Oooh My God! He bigger than Han Island!!"
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Jun 19, 2009 1:17:59 PM CDT
This movie sounds more and more like something you'd dream up
by wickedjester
When you were watching Commando, Rambo, Universal Soldier and Transporter back to back.Maybe he can get Sharon Stone's boobs from the Specialist to make a cameo.
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looks like complete ass compared to the way this movie sounds. I guaran-damn-tee you, that QT movie will suck balls and will be a failure, while The Expendables will rock our eyeballs and make a good amount of yummy doughnuts at the box office. And yes, there will be a sequel, but with different actors. A la the Magnificent Seven movies. But Sly is back and doing the greatest things with old-style American action movies! Way to bring the old school to the new school, you Sly dog!
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....so to speak. I had the great privilege of being on set for the Wednesday and Thursday night shoots (thanks to the kind and gracious Sheryl Main), managed to hang out with harry and Father Geek a bit and take in all the badassery that is The Expendables.
Harry nailed all the fine points but I just wanted to follow up on some of the stuff that went down after he left and on Thursday night.
The aforementioned showdown with the Somali demanding a ransom turned to a live fire shot that was literally earth shaking. All of The Expendables opening up with fully automatic weapons through a cloud of smoke grenade cover that sent pretty much anything not bolted down vibrating and clattering to the floor. Even the video playback on the monitors skipped frames like a mother fucker as the guns roared. I've grown up around guns, race cars and hot rods and it was absolutely one of the loudest things I've ever heard in my entire life and fucking amazing to behold.
I had to head back to Texas early on last night (in relation to the shoot)but I did get to watch Dolph and Jet's fight scene which looked like it took place just after the big shoot out. Watching Jet throw punches with such blinding precision is hard to describe. You don;t really get an idea of how truly fast the guy is until you've seen it first hand. The two went at it for several takes as Sly paced around barking orders and adjusting the shot. I won't spoil how the scene ends up but let's say the little bout had two referees, Sly and a .45. :)
It was my first time on a movie set and what a film to break your cherry. Everyone was amazingly cool not the least of whom, harry and Father Geek. Any of you guys and girls who give Harry shit, I'd like to see you spend 5 min with the guy and I guarantee you'd change your tune forever. He couldn't have been a nicer and more friendly guy; thanks again Harry! -
didn't realize y'all didn't catch that!
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You accepting Transformers reviews? I sent one in earlier...it's a bit of a mess, like the movie, which came out here today
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I'm guessing you hated it.
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From what you saw would the language being filmed warrant an R rating?
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Burns actually...old IRC holdover and all the good nicks were taken. Didn't see any scenes with any strong language to suggest an R rating but I do know that the Dolph + grenade launcher (I'm pretty sure it was an M79) scene has the potential to be pretty gory so I wouldn't rule out anything. Couple other things I thought of - barney's truck was about a '53 or so Ford. hard to nail down the exact year model since some of the body was shaved, chopped and modified but it's in the early to mid-fifties range. Sheryl posted a link to a local NOLA news cast and you can see some shots of it @ http://tinyurl.com/qxsjv4 - Also, the men's bathroom, which looked like the set of Saw 1 was the only air conditioned and comfortable room in the building. Kind of a weird yin/yang of terror and comfort.
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I made my girlfriend watch Over the Top. She loved it, and I'm so dragging her ass to Expendables next year!!
Fucking man love!
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It gets me so excited about that film that I don't know how to survive until I can finally watch it a couple of times.
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Fatty has the review written for this movie already and big surprise it will be nothing but glowing. I can see it in my head already , the first 3/4 if the review will be some pointless boring tale about his child hood and whole he loves sly so much even though ninety five percent of his movies have been shit. Then after he sucks Sly's cock properly will will get to the "real' review maybe something along the lines of how he had tears running down his fat face or some shit like that. Please we all know how this book is going to end fatty will not dare give a poor review now that they gave him is proper tribute.
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I'm confused.
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I ate when people compare sly and Arnold. in my opinion Stallone was never in the same league as Arnold period. Movie wise Arnold blows him away and Arnold could to comedy when the script was good and with the right actors, Stallone is nothing more then a body a relic of a long ago time, his movies compared to Arnold's best just don't hold up. Terminator one and two, True Lies ,Predator , Running man, Total Recall, please now come up with Sly's list.
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is going to suck. Stallone should give it up at his age.
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Ya see, Harry could have easily ended all debate right there and said, "Yeah they were throwing out F-Bombs left and right," or, "Blood and guts everywhere," or even, "It was odd how they avoided blood and guts and f-bombs." Instead, he completely ignored the main theme of this and every other Expendables TB. Something's brewing and I think Sly is gonna bomb out and fucking crazy red band trailer and we'll have no eyeballs left for Cameron to deal with when Avatar rolls around. If this thing rolls out PG-13, it'll be a massive fail and the biggest waste of this superb cast and Basterds will shred this movie. Sly reads these talkbacks, he actually reads them!! He knows who is waiting with baited breath for this movie and he knows what we want. He knows we got no nostalgiac love for Tango & Cash but mad love for some R-Rated Marion Cofuckingbretti! Harry, end this debate right now and tell us once and for all that all Cameron will have left to fuck is empty sockets!
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That was actualy a well written and descriptive set report. I know everyone bashes the shit out of your grammatical gymnastics, so let's give some credit when it's due.
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If he or any other 80's action star turned down a role in this movie...man...fuck his couch! I love me some Kurt Russell up on the screen as much as everybody else, he's Jack fucking Burton, Snake fucking Plisken, but he always seemed to me like he could be a real douche in real life. Now, if Sly came to him and Kurt said no...he should turn in his SAG card and inject himself into Goldie's lips.
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Jun 19, 2009 4:51:53 PM CDT
Sure you went to craft services but did you take a shit in the h
by zombieheathledger
Does Dolph say: " I vill break heem"?
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I must've been busy in the Letterman talkback.
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damn it.
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AICN being the only site to push this c-list piece of shit or the fact that Stallone thinks that getting AICN support somehow means box office success.
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DavidCarradines, professional use of the dojo my man.
i3U7N5 who the fuck r u and why u got such a fucked up 'I am robot' name?
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Jun 19, 2009 5:13:40 PM CDT
Teen Wolf Remake sodomizing your fragile mind
by trannyformers_apologist
Who the fuck cares when Teen Wolf Remake sodomizing your fragile mind in 2011
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some other websight I never heard of interviewed Avi Lerner, who said they were going to test a PG13 cut and an R cut to see which one did better, because they want it to be a big hit with sequels, etc. So it sounds like they genuinely don't know the rating yet. I don't remember the source but Chud linked to it.
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Jun 19, 2009 5:44:44 PM CDT
It will be rated "X". As in "Xellent". As opposed to 2012,
by snake foreskin
which will be rated "PG-13". As in "Pretty Good for someone with the directing talent of a retarded 13 year old leper with ADD, epilepsy, bipolar disorder and juvenile-onset dementia".
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Vern, fuuuck - if that's true it means a Pg 13 theatrical release followed up by an 'unrated' home release. That's how the money goes these days. Guaranteed.
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Tut,tut...
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http://movieblog.ugo.com/movies/rambo-5-to-be-less-brutal-than-the-last-film-two-cuts-for-the-expendables
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Jun 19, 2009 6:22:38 PM CDT
As usual...Vern's got the real info we fucking need.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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(which I hope it doesn't), it's a lock to get a glowing review here. These set visits have got to stop. Keep on bringing up those obscure films to get an "in", Harry.
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Jun 19, 2009 7:53:45 PM CDT
Ive always wondered why a movie cant be released PG13 AND Rated
by dailysportspages
Whats the harm?
You give everyone what they want.
These movies open to massive screens... so why not split it up to where you can show both the PG13 and R cuts.
Show the PG 13 version all day, and after 9PM have one screen showing the Rated R or "unrated" version.
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Jun 19, 2009 7:55:43 PM CDT
Hell, even a delayed Rated R version to rake in more box office.
by dailysportspages
Release the R version a few months later as a re-release.
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thanks for the ratings update... you're the man. Just wish I didn't read your post right. Sad, really. Real sad. If it is rated PG-13, Sorry, Sly, you won't be getting my 10 bucks (if we don't stop supporting this shit, it'll never end).
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The Bale can do anything. He could probably even play an actual church. He'd probably spend months in preparation eating trees in order to build himself up.
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I visit a lot of movie sites . Probably too many and AICN is sure as hell not the only site that writes a lot about this movie douchebag .
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Well, friend, not really sure what is was that you 'told me'? That Sly is only teasing us with a PG-13 rating? Well, frankly, and according to Vern, seems I am the one who told you? Two Cuts usually goes the way of PG-13... And also, Sly, like Bruce Willis, isn't stupid. They fucking know who the fans are, what they expect and so forth... just really don't give a damn. Remember Bruce Willis on this site? 'We were shooting a movie, not a rating'. Fucking bullshit. And it never occured to him strange, while shooting that piece of shit, that his character, John-YIPPI-KI-YA-MOTHERFUCKER-McClane never used the word 'motherfucker' once during the entire film??? Yeah, okay, sellout. As for Sly? Mum is the word, which, as I pointed out earlier, is never a good thing when dealing with movie ratings... I'd be willing to bet at this point that it's PG-13 theatrically.
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I think action movies are better with less violence so that families can watch them together without anyone feeling uncomfortable. By the way, I just watched one of the FUNNIEST movies I have ever seen and feel compelled to share it with everyone. if you haven't seen DISASTER MOVIE yet, do yourself a favor and either rent it or buy it. My daughter and I couldn't stop laughing, it's hillarious!!!
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Jun 19, 2009 10:10:48 PM CDT
I don't see how this needs to be rated R. PG 13 is fine.
by gibsonusa returns
This is not Rambo. This is not Terminator.
There's no legacy to follow. Jet Li can kick some ass fine in PG13. Sly can mow down the bad guys fine in PG13.
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http://tinyurl.com/ck5cds
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The savagery in that movie was loved by all, and we'll prob get a sequel because of that. Rocky Balboa was full of heart and I just wish he got Roy Jones Jr instead of sorry ass Antonio Tarver. Sylvester, if you really do read these talkbalks then please listen. With all the 80s and 90s beef in this flick, what the 13 year old would give a shit. Anybody reading this: walk up to a 12 or 13 year old and ask them who Dolph Lundgren is. Even with all the well known cast we all know your doing this shit for the 25+ crowd who knows who the fuck every single last one of this cast is. Pg13, R, I don't care, I'm sure I can talk all the shit in the world about it. But just the thought of seeing Sly and Dolph in a movie again makes me want to go have anal sex with my wife. So Sylvester, my friend, I'm coming no matter what.
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I refuse to have anything to do with anything without Bale in it.
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Jun 19, 2009 11:06:58 PM CDT
if dolph has $5 and you have $5, dolph has more $ than you.
by ironic_name
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Jun 19, 2009 11:19:49 PM CDT
ABking says: EXPENDABLES is Sly's OCEAN'S 13 of ACTION BLOCKBUST
by abking
THE EXPENDABLES and it's two sequels -most likely will be a trilogy-- will be Sly's version of what GEORGE CLOONEY did with the OCEAN'S 11 SERIES...except this will be a great trilogy of ass kicking action films. You cunts who scream for an R rating...get over it already. Not all of Sly's films have to be RAMBO you silly AICN cunts. ABking has spoken!
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Expendable
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So says Sly, Arnold and ABking!
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any real enthusiasm for Dolph's performance in those last two takes. We know they moved on that it must have been satisfactory, but were hoping to hear that Dolph really nailed it.
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Hulk Hogan. There's gotta be a part for the Hulkster somewhere.
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I want this to be as much bullshit as all of you guys, belive me. I won't jerk off for the next 12 years if this turns out to be a PG-13 movie I'll be so depressed. I don't know who this guys is, his website or what but I saw it on bluray.com and had to share:
http://movieblog.ugo.com/movies/rambo-5-to-be-less-brutal-than-the-last-film-two-cuts-for-the-expendables
I'm inclined to believe it's bullshit. Stallone wouldn't do this to us. Not after the action-boner RAMBO. Fuck no. He knows the world needs this to beat the recession!
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but for the record fuck whoever says it's OK an R-rated version is never released (GIbsonUSA, you commie) to theaters. This is the type of movie that needs to be on the big-screen. If it isn't on the big-screen it turns into all the "zunrated, Uncut, Extended" bullshit dvd's out there already. This is Sly's movie for all of those who need it! We number in the millions! It DESERVES to be seen in big-screen glory!
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If drag me to hell was an r and the same film it is now nobody would be saying "this isn't an R! it's pg13!"
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Drag me to Hell was a different movie; this is supposed to be THE end all 80's action film. The type of real action film we all wanted to see in the theaters for years while spidey jumped around in CGI-tights! The bottom line is that action film would be required to be an R. Alien vs. Predator was so off the fucking mark they had to do a sequel to that one (requiem) AND reboot the fucking thing with a movie that forgot AvP ever happened (provable, no, but watch the end product and tell me different).
Our appetites were whetted with RAMBO and Mr. Sly knows we're blood-fucking hungry for more.
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Drag me to Hell was a different movie; this is supposed to be THE end all 80's action film. The type of real action film we all wanted to see in the theaters for years while spidey jumped around in CGI-tights! The bottom line is that action film would be required to be an R. Alien vs. Predator was so off the fucking mark they had to do a sequel to that one (requiem) AND reboot the fucking thing with a movie that forgot AvP ever happened (provable, no, but watch the end product and tell me different).
Our appetites were whetted with RAMBO and Mr. Sly knows we're blood-fucking hungry for more.
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I heard Bale didn't do this movie because he found Sly's puffy HGH muscle veins "Fucking Distracting'! Ah-de-da-de-da!
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http://tinyurl.com/ck5cds
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They'll screen them both, whichever gets the better reaction...is the one they'll go with.
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While I was on the set of The Expendables, I spoke with producer Avi Lerner and picked his brain in a thousand ways. One of the questions I asked him was whether Rambo V - if it gets made in the first place - will be as violent and brutal as Rambo (2008). Avi Responded with a resounding NO, saying that the story in Burma had to be tackled that way, with extreme and brutal violence so that it portrayed an important aspect of what that story is about. He also told us that they lost at least half the audience for that film with such a hard R, so neither The Expendables nor the Rambo sequel will be as brutal. He did, however, say that it is not an "if" but a "when." Rambo 5 is definitley coming to theaters near you.
Also interesting, there will be both PG-13 and R rated cuts for The Expendables and they will test each to decide which to release. The Expendables is costing about 80 million dollars, thanks to so many real explosions, the star cast, and everything else that goes into making an action flick. The studio wants this film to be a big hit and Avi is hoping to turn it into a franchise - including whoever doesn't die in the first film in subsequent films. My money is on Dolph dying. -
....was from UGO.com,the site Vern had `never heard of`....
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I really hope that's not true. On a better note, I saw Public Enemies at Capone's Chicago screening last night. Micheal Mann was there which increased the awesomeness by tenfold. Go spend your money on Public Enemies, badass movie. If this one is PG-13, leave it for the 13 year-olds.
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**cross fingers**
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http://tinyurl.com/lghwdn
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Harold should arrange for more things like that on the site if he can. It was alotta fun.
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Jun 20, 2009 7:32:00 AM CDT
...since when did R rated action films go the way of the dinosau
by deniro4prez
It's fucking strange. Bond aside, all the really great 'action' franchises I grew up with were all rated R. Think about it... Alien, Terminator, Rambo, Beverly Hills Cop, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, etc., etc. Hell, I can't really think of one single kick-ass action franchise back in the day being rated anything other than R? And all these franchises were fucking huge! Hell, T2 was the number 1 money maker in 91'!? Do these fucking retarded studio heads really believe adults don't go to the movies anymore? But it's not only that... I remember as a kid, the fact that a movie was rated R was one of the reasons I wanted to see it in the first place! I remember the summer of 87', my friends and I cased the entire neighborhood for someone over the age of 17 to take us to Predator... I just don't get it. AND I FOR ONE, WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.
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NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG HERE, I'M NOT COMPARING THE TWO. BUT IMAGINE IF MIRAMAX TOLD TARANTINO THERE WOULD BE TWO CUTS TO HIS PULP FICTION. A PG-13 AND AN R. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SHOOT A MOVIE, A 'SUPPOSED' VISION, UNDER THAT FUCKING ABSURD PROPOSAL? THERE WOULD BE NO CONTINUITY TO THE SCRIPT, THE TONE WOULD BE WAY THE FUCK OFF, AND NOBODY-- INCLUDING THE DIRECTOR-- WOULD HAVE A CLUE AS TO THE FINISHED PRODUCT. IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE CLUSTER FUCK!
On a lighter note: the reason Rambo(4) underperformed at the boxoffice wasn't due to the violence, rather to the shitty marketing and realease date. Having said that, I know of no one who didn't absolutely love the movie once they saw it, with many (like with First Blood) discovering it on dvd. It's always a good sign when the only negative feedback for a movie is that it was too short! -
300 was R. It sucked, but it was R. Gran Torino made money. I just don't understand why studios don't have balls anymore. I wish Watchmen made more money than it did this year, then studios wouldn't be so scared to plunk down the big bucks for an R movie. Hell, I feel like I've seen more blood and violence in an episode of Lost than I have at anything in the theaters this year.
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How many of them were rated R for saying fuck loads of times or because of just once scene in the movie? and T2 was rated 15 in the UK, don't think it was R in the states was it?
My point I guess is this - It doesn't have to be an R to be fucking amazing and brutal. Rambo needed to be over the top and bloody as hell. I personally really don't think this movie needs to have that. It can still be amazing, hardcore 80's fun without having peoples head pop off and shit every 5 seconds. -
Everybody files in; picking their favorite seats. Some prefer the top, others the middle, and some hideous trolls like the very bottom. Your woman is at your side; yea you dragged her along... shit, who else is going to hold on to your popcorn, soda, and twizzlers while your watching man jizz splash across the screen, eh? You look around and there are no screaming kids with their cell phones and shit... theres no room for tweens in this dojo! Just men, burly men waiting to see all their manliest of manly dreams come to fruition. Then the screen goes black and the credits roll... thats right.. no previews... this movie doesn’t need previews... this movie eats previews for breakfast mutherfuker!!!!
After two hours of sheer manliness... our minds explode in testosterone ecstasy!!!! Men pile out of the cinema through the lobby dripping of sweat... sweat by the gallons!! Because real men sweat!! Thier muscles amplified and senses heightened from the manliness. Women and children flee from the lobby as we all are too manly for them... Even gay men... well men who were gay then saw this movie and were given such a large dose of manliness that changes them... the manliness has entered their brain and slap that fucking queen right outta there... there is no room for gays this world of the Expendables...
The next day we all go to work... punch our bosses and fuck their wives and daughters because we are all just too manly.... to manly not to... Obama sees this movie and immediately goes to Iran.. guns blazing and blows those mutherfucking extremists straight to hell... because he’s too manly not to....
This film is then shipped over seas to Iraq and Afghanistan where it is shown to the troops.... immediately the grab their guns... whisper their guns sweet names (thats right they name them) and go to work... overnight terrorism is wiped out completely.. because there is no room for terrorism in this world of extraordinary manliness... no room for it in this dojo!!!!!
This movie changes the world... We all immediately buy huge trucks and get giant dogs... because real men have those things.... yea they do. The second amendment is thus changed to the first and only true amendment... its reworded to say “ALL MEN MUST OWN GUNS, LOTS OF’EM” Because of this film we are now at this point a nation of men, gun-toting, pissed off manly men. Men who kick ass and chew bubble-gum.... and are often all out of gum. Chuck Norris is elected the next President... for life!!! Because Chuck Norris can.
This movie is then shown to kids in high school... and this is how the world will be.
Thank You Sly... The Manliest of Men... You made Rocky V and the world hated it... So you said fuck’em I’ll make a sixith... and we all saw that it was good.
The world said you were to old to do another Rambo.... you said fuck’em I’ll make a fourth... and we all saw that it was damn good... so your making a fifth. God bless you! -
Jun 20, 2009 8:03:47 AM CDT
I'm really starting to wonder about you JohnCarpenterLives
by talkbacker with no name
Your total disregard for film making, character, story and great action is baffling! It's all gone out of the window just as long as you can see some bloke have his cock chopped off or something.
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anyone who read the leaked script could figure that one out...theres one F word, and the violence isnt that graphic...
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Stallone is going to make the movie he wants to make regardless, so everyone calm down a bit eh. It's going to be rad!
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Jun 20, 2009 8:19:26 AM CDT
Chuffster- Avi Lerner can eat a bag of dicks. TDK was...
by zombieheathledger
a "hard R" and it's the second highest grossing movie of all time. So Lerner is just making excuses. RAMBO (2008) didn't make box office breaking money because it was a "hard R" it didn't make it because RAMBO (2008) was a piece of shit of a movie. The Rambo character really struck a chord with the zeitgeist of American post Vietnam sentiment in the 80's but in RAMBO (2008)the character was just a passe' cash cow that totally fucking sucked. Lerner should've bought the rights to that Mark Wahlberg movie "SHOOTER" and turned that into the the new Rambo movie. SHOOTER was the movie that RAMBO (2008) should've been. That would've been a perfect marriage and totally fucking owned.
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Yes, T2 was, in fact, rated R. And many of the films I mentioned were indeed rated R for their absurd (in a good way) use of profanity throughout(Beverly Hills Cop, Die Hard, Lethal Weapon-- Joe Pesci anyone?) Others, for their over the top violence (Alien, Rambo, etc.) And my point remains the same: an Axl Foley or a John McCane who doesn't swear is no longer an Axl Foley or John McCane. And a Rambo movie--or hell-- any fucking 'supposed' war movie that features 'supposed' bad-ass mercenaries who don't swear or squirm at the sight of blood, even, no longer is entitled to call itself a proper war movie... I was in the military, and I can assure you this; soldiers fucking swear! And war is fucking violent! Anything short of that is just plain silly...
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I agree with you on every point. I'm not denying any of that, but I don't think this is going to be the film you think it is... R or not.
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??That was a quote from UGO.com,I just posted it.
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...because that's the only way we're going to get full frontal nudity in a shower scene with all the Expendables washing and lathering up their ripped, muscly bodies with their junk in full view. So if you want to see some cock, then demand that Expendables be rated R.
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As I pointed out it wasn't in the UK because...um...what's R about it?
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You're right, pal... a PG-13 'Expendables' certainly would qualify as being 'not the film I thought it was'(going to be). I was holding out hope for the return of the kick-ass action genre that has seemingly vanished into thin air the past 10, 15 years. And I was hoping against hope, that it would be my childhood hero, Sly Stallone, who would have brought it back (full circle). But what the fuck, right? Pretty woman are still pretty, the skies still blue, and I still have my R RATED DVD collection to keep me occupied.
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I understand that you were quoting another site. I had it mistakenly in my head that TDK was "R" rated, but after a quick check of IMDB I see it was PG-13 which really astounds me because I re-watched it with a girl friend of mine the other night and she nearly had me turn it off because she was so put off by it's violence. My point still stands though. IMO, though you don't see be-headings like in RAMBO (2008), I think an argument could be made that with the multiple shootings/killings in the bank robbery scene in the beginning of TDK, plus The Joker's pencil trick, his sticking his knife in Gambol's mouth and the implied slicing of Gambol's throat, the multiple shooting/cop killings in the Dent/Swat transfer scene, the shootings/cop killings by Two-Face, the torture/killings/face carving by the Joker of the Harvey/Dent/Batman impersonator and particularly the ending scene with TwoFace threatening to kill Gordon's young boy son, it could be argued that TDK is in it's own way nearly just as violent as RAMBO (2008) yet it is the second highest grossing movie of all time. I disagree with Lerner that RAMBO (2008) didn't make boffo box office because of it's "hard R" rating, I suggest that RAMBO (2008) didn't make huge $$ because it sucked. Then I brought up the Mark Wahlber movie "SHOOTER" as what I thought RAMBO(2008) should've been and would've made a perfect marriage and made a much better Rambo movie, IMO. Does that clear it up? (Man, I can't believe TDK got away with a PG-13 rating.)
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you can still jizz over the now over the top and out of date rating on those dvd's, man. Might release some of that pent up anger over all of this.
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Thank you Harry for one of the few original pieces on this site all week. To say I'm insanely excited for this movie is an understatement. If you can get pictures I'll send you a fruit basket or a stripper, whichever you prefer.
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You thought TDK was an R? Suprised it was a PG13? You have just killed your own argument for The Expendables being an R, bud. You have no idea what one is.
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I was never arguing about the rating for EXPENDABLES one way or the other. My overall point was that violent movies can make money. I should've used the T2 example somebody else brought up instead of TDK which I admit I was wrong about but the point still stands. Lerner's assertion that RAMBO (2008) didn't make money because of it's R rating fails when compared to T2 which also had an "R" rating yet did very well at the box office. THE EXENDABLES has sounded from the get go to me like B-List straight to DVD dreck that I probably won't even watch on cable. So where did you get the idea that I gave a shit what rating EXPENDABLES had at all much less an "R", er, bud?
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A screening of The Expendables for all the geeks, and ABKing will be the guest of honor. And while the movie is playing, ABKing will start unzipping dudes' flies and start sucking their cocks, and they'll be like "Whoa, what the hell are you doing?!!!", and everyone will look at him to see all the commotion, and then ABKing will look up at everyone and scream, "Real men suck each others' cocks while watching The Expendables, the most manly movie ever made, so stop being a bunch of sissy boys and start sucking!!!", and someone will yell, "HE'S RIGHT!!!", and then everyone will start sucking each others' cocks.
The theater will erupt in orgasmic hysteria as all the geeks fellate each other while fingering one another's anuses (anii?). While the end credits roll, everyone will lie in exhaustion, and the theater floor will be covered with jism and saliva which will slowly pool at the front of the theater in front of the screen. After everyone has left, the janitor will collect some of this pooled jism, and sell it to a scientist who will use it to artificially fertilize an egg and create a supergeek. This supergeek will grow up to spend all his time watching movies, reading comic books, playing video games, and eating. So, he'll be no more super than the average geek - just much, much fatter. -
sorry I take it back. I thought you had. Was somebody else. But the last point still stands, babe x
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Given the wide berth that separates some R movies from others, perfect example being the difference between the violence in the R rated T2 and the violence in the R rated RAMBO (2008) I don't think the censors themselves know what one is either, er, sparky. Apology accepted, btw.
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he's too busy being the inspiration behind a one-note ripoff of the Chuck Norris old meme. Bale fucking professional light trash time!
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The only movie he ever really truly "acted" in I think was the Machinist... That was about it. I mean TDK was fantastic but it wasn't because of him... it was all the talent around him... you could have put anyone in that suit and pulled off the same movie... Clint Eastwood accent and all
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Good in The Prestige and Batman Begins. He's a good actor, but he's got lots of room to grow.
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He was in a Spielberg movie before he had pubes! beat that!
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make the swine flu more virulent. *shrug* That's what I heard.
Someone grab topfivevideo. He needs to be prepped for waterboarding. Bale's greatest acting achievement was Velvet Goldmine where he played a glam rock wannabe. I mean think of how he had to have every fiber of his being act against it's true light smashing nature. Think of how difficult it must have been to train his arm to lift up to his eye to put on *cringe* eyeliner. That's talent. -
but he starred and carried that fucker! So don't come here with all that "he only ever truly acted in such and such". That's bullshit and you know it!
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when he was a young teen in a small but memorable part. His lifeless body was carried across the battlefield at the end by Branagh to Non Nobis, Domine. http://tinyurl.com/kpdggw
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"If this team isn't slipping and sliding and having trouble standing up because of all the gore, blood and viscera splattered over every floor they walk across, I'm not watching this movie!""If they don't go bowling using the severed heads of their enemies as balls when the mission's over I'm waiting for the DVD!" "If this isn't a full on combination of gay porn and torture porn that makes me jizz in my pants and shit myself simultaneously, I'm just going to download a pirate copy off the internet!"The Ratings Board are hypocrites when it comes to violence. Always have been. What really bothers them is language and sexuality. Most of the R Rated movies you guys love from the 80's aren't as violent as you remember them being. They were rated R for language and nudity. Just like they would be today. Take out the language and nudity and you have a PG-13. Why does an action movie have to be as bloody as a SAW movie?You guys love Christian Bale so much. Most of his successful films are PG-13. You don't think he's a pussy for not ripping people's limbs off and beating them to death with them while cursing like he's having a Shane Hurlbut flashback.This movie needs to be FUN and SUCCESSFUL if you want sequels. The average audience would walk out shellshocked and depressed if they catered to the dozen or so of you guys in here demanding blood and guts on the level of that last RAMBO movie.
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I think you just summed it up right there. AICN talkbackers in no way represent the public at large. I don't care if it is PG-13 or R, as they don't shoot for one rating or another, and simply include everything that is integral to the story and accept the rating they get. Explosions generally don't result in an R-rating, and since this movie is a sausage fest, the puritanical American audience won't have to worry about their adolescent kids being permanently scarred by seeing a pair of boobies, God forbid. The violence in Rambo was excessive, and it didn't make the movie better, despite the opinions of AICN talkbackers.
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You're missing the point. Everyhting recently has been so watered down. McClane goes PG-13 and...well...it was bad. It's the norm now, not the exception. All of these franchises that we grew up with are being diluted to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And then, we got news of this movie. Throught he casting, Sly's interviews here, and just the pure attitude surrounding this movie it felt like, "Well, maybe Sly's gonna deliver and give us adults back an old school action movie. It's not that we get giddy when we hear people say, 'fuck.' (Unless it's DeNiro, no one says it like him, but I laugh just looking at him.) It's not that we need to see severed limbs and disembowled men on the battlefield. It was just an attitude, it was a message that THIS MOVIE, this ONE MOVIE, was gonna be an action movie the way an action movie should be. Yes, there will be blood, yes, they will say "fuck." Yet, it's not those things that were important. It just looked like we were going to get a hard-core balls-to-the-wall, no holds barred, R Rated action movie and that was appealing as fuck to all of us. It didn't have to be on that last Rambo's level, that's not what any of us are saying. Die Hard, Terminator, Commando, these and their kind are different movies if released today in a PG-13 format. They really are. "You are one ugly motherfucker." "Yippe-kiyay motherfucker." "Fuck you asshole" It's just that with this cast assembled it seemed that someone was going to out of their way to make one for all of us. What we have with a PG-13 Expendables is a movie in which everyone will be holding back. It's just compromised
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and you are basing Sly compromising on what? a PG13 hasn't even been confirmed yet has it? jesus! They haven't even finished filming the fucker yet. If you don't think he is making a balls to the wall old action flick then what is he making?
"It didn't have to be on that last Rambo's level, that's not what any of us are saying"...Um that's what a lot of people are saying. Hence a few of us saying calm the fuck down a bit and let's wait and see eh? It's great to speculate what it will or won't be, but to just assume is silly. -
If you look back throgh this Talkback, you will see since it was posted that I have been one of the few that has stated that I think the movie will be R-Rated, and I think it will be great. What my last post was responding to was Cymbalta's questioning of everyone's anger and dissapointment over this movie being made palatable for thirteen year old kids. I was defending the desire of us all to see this movie go all-out, not stating that I hate this movie without seeing it based on the rating that the MPAA, not Sly, gives it. I have not been one of the people om this TB flapping their ar,ms because they heard a rumor of a rating, but I felt the need to explain why everyone wants this movie to be the best it can be, and I really, honestly think that an R Rating is a major factor in that happening.
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"Something's brewing and I think Sly is gonna bomb out a fucking crazy red band trailer and we'll have no eyeballs left for Cameron to deal with when Avatar rolls around." "Sly reads these talkbacks, he actually reads them!! He knows who is waiting with baited breath for this movie and he knows what we want."
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I like you, man... you're my kind of people. I just wish the 'movie going public at large' were as thoughful and as passionate as we are, no? But the fact is, most people, it is true, probably don't care what the movie is rated. And they simply don't get it, either. Probably never will. Movies-- some movies-- used to be an art form. Now they are a a fucking product. Who loses? We all do. Even you stupid fucks out there that don't get it! You lose too.
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IT'S FUCKS LIKE YOU THAT THEY KEEPING MAKING THESE PG-13 ACTION FILMS... YOU DO REALIZE THIS, RIGHT? IMAGINE IF YOU STOPPED GOING TO THEM, AND YOUR FRIENDS STOPPED GOING TO THEM... IMAGINE WHAT WOULD THEN HAPPEN? YOU GUESSED IT, SMART GUY. THE RETURN OF THE R RATED ACTION MOVIE.
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Yeah, my man, go see Public Enemies when it comes out. It's no monumental epic piece of art, but it is a damn fine piece of entertainment. I thought it was Mann's best movie since Heat. Kickass shootouts, too. BTW, last night when I said I told your so, I was only referring to my statements that Harry is constantly lurking and could possibly end this debate at any time by simply *AHEM* REPORTING!!! what he saw, you know, like a reporter would do. Surely, from six hours of on set goodness he could tell us what they were shooitng for just based on language alone. My thoughts were that he wasn;t putting this debate to bed for a reason. Now, it's starting to look like, based on more than one report, he's simply not talking because he just wants to keep pumping this movie and knows the backlash once a children's rating becomes official. I dunno, I'm conflicted, I just know it won't be anywhere near the movie that I already have in my head and hopes.
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It simply MUST be said, that the only action ICON in the film is Stallone himself. It's not like he got Bruce Willis, Kurt Russell, JCVD or fuck, even Steven Stupid. Yeah, he got Arnie in a small cameo playing himself, and Dolph is cool, but surely no fucking ICON! Mickey Rourke can't do much wrong in my book, but he's sure as shit no action ICON!? Jason S. and Jet Li? Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, they been in there share of action movies, but action ICONS!? What the fuck? Fact is, Stallone was the reason to see the movie... that is, until reports started to surface of its being rating PG-13. Which pretty much translates to: SELLING THE FUCK OUT!
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I'm not a comic-book dude, so, like the majority of the folks, I din't know anything about the Watchmen before the movie surfaced. But I do think it's almost comical that the PG-13 KNOWN property that was 'Terminator Salvation' will only end up grossing about 15-20 million more than the R rated, somewhat obscure, no big names in the cast 'Watchmen'... besides, Snyder's previous film, 300, went over 200 mill here in the states. Due in large part to its R rating. Same with Braveheart and a host of other similar movies; Private Ryan, whatever... what do you remember about them? Odds are, the graphic war violence (which would be fitting, of course, due to the fact that they were WAR films). Take that commodity out (graphic, realistic war violence), what are you then left with? Answer: apparently The Expendables.
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Thanks for the tip on 'Enemies'... love Michael Mann (though he's been on a bit of a slump) and same with Johnny Depp. Always go to the movies to support (good) R rated adult entertainment...
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people didn't flock to see Crank 2 because of its rating, rather than because of its stupid premise. Watchmen, while underperforming, did still manage to crack 100 million +.
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Both T2 and Private Ryan were rated R, and both were the top money makers of their respected years (91', 98'). So what do you think happened in the meantime? That people stopped going to R rated movies, or that they stopped making R rated movies people wanted to see?
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not really sure what you're talking about with all the downloading...? Seems ratings don't really play a part in that. The last film that made headlines, insofar as downloading was concerned, was Wolverine, which was PG-13, of course.
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Zombie, I get all your points. It should be noted T2 was cut by British Film Board Censors to obtain the cert. 15. Various video releases have both cut and uncut. Consult IMDB.
Talkbacker, can you really argue Rambo was a good movie, seriously good? That it had fleshed out characters? That it had a really solid plot? That Rambo II had a good director? These movies are for hard action fans. Why? Because ultimately they're not really good movies. T2, Predator, Die Hard. Good action flicks? Totally. Truly good movies? No.
The actors in this film are fan-favorites, not huge stars. Most tweens know Arnie as a politician than the king of movies! The majority of the audience who are going to see this movie are going to see these bad-asses back in action on the big-screen, versus another direct-to-dvd. The harsh reality is that tweens today don't really know who most these guys are and won't go see it. They prefer cars that turn into robots (robots to cars? whatever) and gay vampires. -
that the film isn't even done yet, and I think Sly will push for an R. I think it would be terrible if it isn't rated-R; I do doubt it will be as gory and over-the-top as RAMBO simply because it's a different kind of movie.
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This movie is my childhood dream come true!
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You're an idiot. T2 and Die Hard were both GREAT films, regardless of genre. Just like Halloween was a GREAT fucking film regardless of genre... let me guess, you're from the school of thought that determines a films 'supposed' greatness, based on the number of academy awards it recieves? What a fucking moron... and am now, OFFICIALLY, done with you. Next?
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Jun 20, 2009 6:32:19 PM CDT
Yeah, I totally thought Little Miss Sunshine was way better than
by johncarpenterlives
Jackass.
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T2 was nominated for 5 Academy Awards and won 4. Yeah, still just a good action flick. Giant B-Movie, just like Abyss. Die Hard? 4 Academy nods.
And the fact of the matter is that Johnny C. hasn't made ANY movie for years, let alone a good one.
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Allow me a retort? Very well. John Carpenter hasn't made a good movie in decades. Yes. DECADES. On to the latter: if T2 and Die Hard (neither of which recieved any MAJOR academy award nominations) were, as you say, 'good action flicks' or perhaps 'giant B-movies', I very seriously doubt we'd still be talking about them twenty sum years after the fact.
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Jun 20, 2009 8:03:38 PM CDT
like Plan 9 from Outter Space? Night of the Living Dead? Rocky H
by johncarpenterlives
...and I'll agree with the Carp remark. Everything post-80's is questionable. I'm a fan so I forgive more, sometimes a lot more.
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and I figured out that I saw Commando in the theater when I was 11. Watching it as a grownup I thought "hmm... this is more violent than I remember". But as a kid it didn't phase me. I saw Land Before Time a couple years later and that scared the shit out of me. Ratings are dumb and I can't believe how much stock people put into them today. I don't think people consulted the MPAA as much back in the day. We're probably better for it too.
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He also did Newsies, Reign of Fire, Equilibrium, and Shaft... I still stand by the fact that The Machinist was his best performance by a mile... I am not saying he's shit by any means I am just saying that when somebody is truly acting.. hes putting themself into a character.. for two hours they are a total different person... I mean come on.. look at the amount of weight that guy lost for that role and then immediately put back on for Batman.. thats commitment.. I don't give a shit what lame as Spielberg movie he was in... don't give me that shit... that asshole ruined Indiana Jones along whit douchebag George "Everything Better with a Little CGI" Lucas. And you want to talk about doing a Spielberg movie before the pubes set in... some other actor did one... um... let me think.... Haley Joel "I see dead people hanging around second hand lions with A. I. " Osment... those two took a brilliant idea of Kubricks and turned into piss
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Well, yeah... films like T2, Die Hard, Night of the Living Dead, hell, Predator too, to a lesser extent, although they were all "genre" films, they have acheived the greatest acheivement any film could ever possibly acheive... they're timeless. And not because a lot of shit blew up, or body parts were ripped to shreds, rather they were very good movies. Unforgettable movies. Plan 9? Unforgettable for just the opposite reason. But that is a whole other conversation.
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I'd have to disagree, pal. A.I. wasn't 'done in' by Spielberg or Osmont, rather by Kubrick's own, unfinished screenplay. In other words, you can blame Spielberg for making it, but you can't blame him for fucking it up...
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Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Blame him all you want for that, won't hear neary a word from me.
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The rating should be beside the point. That's what I'm trying to say. Terminator Salvation was a flawed movie from the jumpoff. Adding a few F bombs and Moon Bloodgood's naked tits would not have pushed it into masterpiece territory. Making the action bloodier wouldn't have saved it either. Live Free or Die Hard was a flawed movie as well. Some of the action was just too over the top to suspend disbelief. Having more graphic violence or hearing Bruce
Willis say motherfucker for the umpteenth time would not have made it as good as the original.When you guys go to the theater do you say "I wanna see a great movie" or do you say "Let's watch that. It's Rated R. Even if it's lousy I might get to see some blood and tits and hear people curse." ? I trust these guys to make a good movie. Maybe a great one. If they save some stuff for an unrated cut, so be it. Every horror movie and sex comedy is doing that these days, even WITH an R Rating in release. If a new generation of teenagers get turned on to how cool these guys are, how is that a bad thing? -
If it ain't R, I ain't watching.
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that way ellie may clampett can take her brood to see the splosuns, but won't have her pretend Christian values* sullied by a tit. *at what point did americans decide Jesus was ok with violence? the guy hung out with adulterers and lepers and people who needed help, a tit is a tit, but war and death are ok for american tv.
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The use of the word "motherfucker" would not have saved Die Hard 4, and it really just pushes the original film further into being a stereotypical action movie. In the original Die Hard, McClane gets into a discussion about stereotypical American film heroes like John Wayne and Gary Cooper, McClane mocks that stereotype by adding the "motherfucker" on the end of "Yippee Kayay".
Willis had just come off of doing "Moonlighting" back then, where he played a funny man detective, not a tough guy or action hero. That's why Die Hard blew people away, because Willis was the "every man", not a badass muscle bound Stallone or Schwarzenneger, and the "Yippee Kayay, motherfucker" line punctuated that notion of the every man kicking some major ass and turning the action hero stereotype on its ear. Fast worward to 20 years later, and now Willis is a stereotypical action hero film star, the type he was lampooning with the original "Yipee Kayay, motherfucker" line. The very creation of Die Hard 4 shows that Willis is out of touch with the original character and the spirit behind what made the original so phenomenal, and the infamous line is now a sad reminder of that. Thank you, and good night. -
With all due respect, I believe you are missing the point all together... we are not saying that all R rated movies are good, or that we only go to R rated movies. If Sly set out to make the best film he could, ragardless of rating, and the film ended up being PG-13, so be it. But this, we fear, is not the case. When a studio stipulates to a filmmaker a rating before the film is even in the can, that's a real fucking problem, right? The word COMPROMISED comes to mind, and a host of others. When Rocky Balboa came out, I was chiming in on how much better it would have been had it been rated R... it was a sequal to a PG rated franchise. But in contrast, our anger is in the fact that they are making PG-13, kid-friendly sequels to hardcore R rated action films, just (and this is important) to make more money. This is the very definition of SELLING THE FUCK OUT. Think of it another way: how would you feel, or how do thing the majority of parents out there would feel if they started making R rated sequels to PG rated franchises? You know, like an R rated sequel to fucking Paul Blart!? I can see it now, Mall Cop 2: Observe and Report!? Catch my drift yet?
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Ok so yea, it was an unfinished script... thats like giving your friend half of a story and saying finish it and dont ask me what I meant by any of it... I think had Kubrick been alive to do it himself you would have had a much different movie because it was unfinished. The whole feel of the movie was very un-Kubrick I just keep thinking to what might-have been. I just think that Steven should have kept his hand off thats all but yea.... THEY RAPED INDY!!!!!!!
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I think the problem with the R-rated vs. PG13 is very simple... when I was a kid R movies were movies that pushed the boundaries... there was really no line for them to cross... I mean snuff-films excluded but the line just wasn't there... Now the MPAA and Studios have pushed the line so far back that most movie today are PG-13.. the MPAA thinks they are saving peoples sensability and the studios are thinking they can now get bigger dollars for their films. I recently saw Drag Me to Hell... now you haters can hate all you want, I loved that flick... it was as close as we've gotten to pure Raimi since Darkman. But I had to see the damn thing on a Sunday morning at 11 because all the friggin kids that were in the thing we just nuts and immature. Thats the problem I don't want to have anymore, especially with the slice of fried gold Sly's working on... so R the damn thing... hell X it if you must.. I'll take anything but a PG13 that would just be nuts man.
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I want to see a pair of titties in this movie, and I want one of them to use the word "motherfucker" all the time, kind of like the character in Predator who told the joke about his girlfriend having a huge pussy. And Terminator Salvation would have been better if we saw Moon Bloodgood's tits, and not just for gratuity - it would have made the story better. The scene at the end where Marcus sacrifices his life for John Connor and gives him his heart, and then he kisses Moon Bloodgood before dying...there should have been tits in that scene. Moon Bloodgood should have taken him to a tent and fucked his brains out. It's the apocalypse, none of them are getting laid except for Connor with his preggie wife, and these two are lucky enough to have found each other and be attracted to each other, and she's not gonna give him one good lay before dying????? Bullshit. There's should have been tits in that scene. But I'll see Expendables if it's PG-13, it's not make or break for me...just don't include a female character if we're not going to see all that testosterone unload on her face.
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...I meant I want one of the Expendables to use the word "motherfucker" all the time, not one of the titties...although that might be cool, too.
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I'm with you on that one, pal. Great movie. But you know something? I never got the feeling that Raimi set out to make it PG-13, rather he just got lucky with the Ratings Board. And that's entirely different from purposely having a gun go off at the very moment John McClane utters his famous catchprase, you know?
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hahahaha brilliant
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And pleased not to see men emasculated and feminized in a movie for a change. Its like being on the set of the Great Race or something. Thanks for the report I love those guys in a bro-mance kind of way of course
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I hated Drag Me To hell, I know that most people on this site throw out, "Worst ever" and "hated it" type grand sweepimg statements all the time. It seems for me to make a statement like that would mean very little here considering how often these statements are thrown out. However, I don't throw them around at all. I walked out of one movie in my life, Mr. Wrong with Ellen Degeneres. There have been a few times that I've wanted to or have been tempted to; Drag Me To Hell was one of these times. I don;t know if I expected too much of it, no, I didn;t expect too much. Low expectations would not have saved it for me. There was so much wrong with that movie in my opinion that I couldn't possibly pin it down in one post. What surprised me most of all was what I thought the biggest problem was; the directing. I'm happy for all of you who like it and I'm really happy for all of you who got the horror film they've been waiting years for, I really am. For me,all I was left with was a grand sweeping statment. 2009 provided for me the biggst film dissapointment in my life, the return of Indiana Jones. It destroyed a large protion of what little bit of film innocence I have left. To see an Indy picture with no heart made strictly for a buck broke me alittle inside. But right up there with Indiy on my top 5 dissapointments all time is Drag Me To Hell
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"As Dolph continued to wrestle with the scene, Stallone decided before the midnight lunch break – to offer up a series of quick improv’d lines for the rest of the team." What the hell does that mean? The hyphen is useless!
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You made me picture that. And what's worse, said titty sounded like Danny DeVito.
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And she'll be wearing her signature dress with one of her titties hanging out, and everytime Crews says something that annoys her, her titty will say "Motherfucker!!!" But it can't be Danny Devito, it has to be Dave Chappelle.
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even my screen name is funnier than yours, you called yourself the dark shite, like thats called a circumlocution , which is supposed to be 'ironic' or 'humourous' my screen name is Ironic name, trumping yours. in short, I'm funnier, smarter, a better dresser, and probably better looking than you. now go away.
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thats what I get for having 7 aicn tabs open and not checking which one I was on.
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and terry can say: "sheeit, after me, that bitch can hide a bazooka up there!"
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makes me feel funny in pants
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I appreciate your passion, man... I REALLY do! You remind me of... ME. Now although I disagree with you on 'Drag Me to Hell'--again, I thought it was BRILLIANT; far and away the most inventive horror film I had seen in years-- I had a similar experience this summer with 'UP'. Scored, I don't know, something like 98% oo rotten tomatoes, and everybody I knew kept raving about it, and so forth... so, and even though I usually just can't get into 'toons all the much, I went, along with my 7 year old son (who also loved 'Drag me to Hell', by the by)... film started out very well, that is, until the house lands in the jungle, and the Saturday morning cartoon hyjinks began... I left the theater scratching my head as to why in the fuck THIS movie was built UP the way that it was...? But to each their own. Keep up the great posts, my friend.
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Sylvester "Testosterone" Stallone = testostallone.
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It has to take that one R movie that rakes in millions for execs to see that Rated R action films can draw. The Expendables could have been it but Bourne, Quantum and even Taken has shown you don't need an R rated action film unlike the good old days in the 80s.
But I agree with DavidCarradine, Mag 7 was action packed and that was not rated r. -
for Stallone's fitness company, Instone.
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Probably a stupid question considering the forum but why all the discourse regarding the rating? I know it's the internet and thus, home of sandy clam diatribe but you guys HAVE looked at the plot synopsis and the cast list right?? I'm all for the movie being of Rambo 4 brutality and violence but holy shit, any way you slice it this is a dream film and short of Clooney smirking at Pitt and bumping around in suits that cost the GNP of Eastern Suckistan, Hollywood doesn't make films like this. This is our Wild Bunch, our Magnificent Seven, Guns of Navarone. This is like being a kid again and being able to go grab all your favorite action figures and throw them together in a big fight out on the play ground. WTF more can you ask for? So *maybe* (and that's the operative word, we really don't know yet) it's not as gloriously violent as Rambo 4 but again, this has SO much potential in every other possible facet of the film. I can tell you from first hand experience, seeing those guys decked out in tactical gear all standing side by side w the fully automatics roaring, EXPENDABLE tattoos blazing was enough convincing for me. I'm already the first person in line at my theater. Wait until you see some of those set stills or the first teaser and you won't give a fuck if it's PG-13 or R.
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Like they are harking back to the proper characters in an action like the first Predator. Would love it if they establish this as a franchise and cycle through the action legends like Snipes, Willis and others.
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I mean Statham and Lee are pretty disposable and their action careers are letdowns. This needs Chuck Norris, Steven Seagal, and Van Damme.
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Just film his scenes in the U.S.
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Chuck Norris was never the sort of action hero to do this sort of flick and despite the stupid jokes that have endured for what seems like eons, Norris is/was "action-lite" imo. his most memorable film moment, for me, is getting his ass handed to him by Bruce Lee. Segal, really...hmm. I'm sure the shooting schedule conflicted with his latest moo moo fitting or he'd have been in the flick. And JCVD...he said no once but my money is on him being in the sequel. Assuming this movie lives up to it's potential, pretty much anyone on the outside looking in is going to be making a play to be in the follow ups.
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I've read that Stallone has that intention, barring a box-office collapse. Then we could see Forrest Whitaker, Arnold (in a bigger role if he doesn't run another term) & other actors who couldn't make it in the first time around.
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i am not goint to watch it at the cinemas,and ofc wont buy the R-Rated DC dvd when its released.
i am sorry,but i supported sly when he created his last rambo/rocky movies,and if this is the way he repays his fans,then to hell with him.he is not going to take a cent for his expendables from me -
that sounds like it's way past expiration date. Do you think they had to inflate Arnie's tits?
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Jun 22, 2009 3:19:17 PM CDT
Do we get to see Dolph's testicles in this film?
by edgarwrights_testiclesobsession
I mean I'll probably see it anyway but that would totally seal the deal!
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As someone above mentioned, this is going to primarily appeal to an older audience even younger Statham fans are probably at least in their late teens.
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You didn't get to meet the Texas Rattlesnake...for shame!
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where all the hunks are naked from the waist down.
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EXPENDABLES RETURNS: SHOOTERS
Chow Yun Fat
Antonio Banderas
Wesley Snipes
EXPENDABLES FOREVER: STRIKERS
Jackie Chan
Chuck Norris
Steven Seagal
Kimbo Slice
Dwayne Johnson
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There are some of you so torn between Basterds and Expendables...yea...as if 'Rocky Balboa' was that "wet dream comeback" you oh so needed.
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Instead of having the actioners with the biggest muscles why not try having a few new guys join the crowd? I like the idea of Statham
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Terry Crews would be perfect for the role of Sgt. Bosco "B.A." Baracus.
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Where's the dude from Gymkata? And it would be cool if the kids from Three Ninjas got killed in the first scene!
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http://tinyurl.com/2htqt8 http://tinyurl.com/nv9dkq
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Jun 23, 2009 8:29:16 AM CDT
DavidCarradine, I agree, downloading this movie is a no...
by kenshiro_187
downloading Basterds, thats a yes, Tarantino doesn't get my money anymore. But the Expendables is well paid entertainment!
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http://movies.ign.com/articles/996/996849p1.html
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Ernie Reyes Jr. Ernie fucking Reyes Jr.
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i hope it gets the r rating it deserves,you carnt have all them action stars and then have the movie as violent as a playground fight and i agree with the sequels gibson usa said would be awesome to get everyone we want back in sequels!!!
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stallone should blow up mcg, tom rothman and everyone in hollywood who comes up with ass handed remakes and the crap blockbusters we have to see on the pirate ship to, now that would be worth seeing alone!!!
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I would have given my left foot to be there. This is going to be so great. If there is only 1 movie I could watch in 2010, this fucker would be it. I CAN NOT WAIT!!!!!!
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