June 18, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST
June 18, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST
Promising? Now you're asking too much.
June 18, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST
...Swayze was still it fighting shape.
June 18, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
June 18, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST
Like they tell a defensive back in the end zone during a Hail Mary play... JUST KNOCK IT DOWN! KNOCK IT TO THE GROUND!
June 18, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST
I just can't get interested in this movie. I don't mind remakes, but why remake this? Yawn.
June 18, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST
Lets see, venezuela is ok with Obama. Russia is essentially an oil company now. Which only leaves china. Why would China invade the U.S? They need the US folks to buy all their toys and fake DVD's!!
June 18, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST
June 18, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST
by a goonie
...this doesn't exactly strike me as great news. I have no idea what influence Gilroy had on the finished Bourne films, but any script credited to just him seems to fizzle, so his name gives me little hope.
June 18, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST
...hiring Alan J. Pakula to rewrite...well, Red Dawn.
June 18, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST
June 18, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST
Damn I would fuck her like a mongoose!
June 18, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST
a "reimagining." You guys have to update your studio exec. lingo. And this is definitely one nobody was clamoring for.
June 18, 2009, 11 a.m. CST
The best thing about it was the opening scene, when the Russians land - surprising and shocking stuff at the time. The remainder of the film didn't hold up to the power of that opening. It just turned into a standard good guys vs. bad guys flick. If Gilroy (who is a terrific writer) and company can maintain a level of high drama, it's perfectly possible this remake could surpass the original. It's a post-24 world, though, and they would have to come up with some intense surprises.
June 18, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST
Three New Avatar Screenshots!
June 18, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
But still not interested unless he also directs the new Red Dawn. Unless a producer locks the script down, the director could fiddle with it and kill it. Gilroy could possibly add layers to the movie and raise above its genre into a good movie. In somebody else's hands it'll turn into a quick cut music video.
June 18, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST
Who seriously thinks this will be good? Next they will remake Hunt for Red October only Sean Connery is a Taliban Sub Commander now, who wants to defect from Al Quaida's submarine fleet. Or how about remaking Thirteen Days but instead of Kennedy in the Cuban Missile Crisis it's now about a teenage vampire? Fuck you Hollywood.
June 18, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST
So in other words it will turn out that the evil mega-corporations sold us out to whoever it is that's invading us this go-around. Speeches will be made about the evilness of these faceless companies.
June 18, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST
by Big Dumb Ape
RED DAWN made sense when it came out. You had America vs. Russia... Reagan vs the Kremlin... international tensions still up... and so naturally Hollywood cashed in. Anyone old enough to remember WORLD WAR III, the NBC miniseries with Rock Hudson and David Soul in '82? Where the Russians attack the Alaskan pipeline? That was a big hit on TV (though time seems to have washed it away), and it was immediately followed by THE DAY AFTER to voice the views of the disarmament peacenik crowd, which in turn was immediately followed by Milius' "Fuck you, we need to stay strong and be ready to fight" response with his testosterone driven RED DAWN. The point being they were all a product of the time and made sense FOR the time.<p>What I find laughable is that politically correct and certainly Left-leaning Hollywood seemed to have no trouble making movies that were essentially anti-Bush and anti-Iraq War, yet in the wake of 9/11 how many major big budget action movies did you really see with Muslim terrorists? Aside from trotting out terrorists as the driving plot device for Jack Bauer to fight on 24, once again you had Hollywood saying "We'll stay away from that one. We don't want to offend anyone since we need foreign box office to really make a profit. And we don't want to seem like we're supporting Bush's foreign policies." Maybe as I type this I'm completely forgetting some major action movies that came out, but it just seems like the last time you had someone going balls out with Arab terrorists in a big way was Cameron in TRUE LIES -- and it's hard to believe that was so ahead of its time and is now actually 15 years old. So I love that Hollywood won't do anything like that, but it will remake RED DAWN, only this time with the Chinese, who we might be having an economic war with, but hardly a military one. For crying out loud, even if you were going to do a US vs. China war movie, set it in Taiwan or South Korea, where the U.S. could have a realistic and viable military motive for becoming engaged in battle.<p>Not to mention, I've read elsewhere online at other rumor sites that supposedly in this remake we don't even get fucking attacked. According to some other rumor mills and preliminary story leaks, what prompts the whole thrust of this remake is that the military action is actually a RETALIATION move against America, and that WE started things and WE brought this on our ourselves. Which means on top of everything else, we don't even get a good action movie, we get another Hollywood wankfest about how "America is really the villain in the world."<p>Well, I say fuck that shit right up it's ass. America is the GREATEST country in the world, and if this remake goes down that road, spewing some bullshit ideological backstory that we DESERVED to get attacked, this movie is going to get pissed on like no other.
June 18, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST
...unless this one portrays Iraqi teenagers fighting back against an marauding imperial force, this one will be too.
June 18, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST
by Turd Furgeson
I only come here for pics of half naked dudes posted within articles... Yum yum
June 18, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST
June 18, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST
But only if you're talking about abstracts like "freedom" and "liberty" and not, yknow, "statistics" and "facts." Unless you mean "great" as in size. Otherwise, not so much, unfortunately. <p> Nah, I agree with you, BDA, this remake is destined to suck, and part of the reason why is certainly due to the test-market approach when it comes to writing it. I may think that Milius' original was total right wing masturbatory cheese, but one thing I'll say in its favor is that the story had some big swingin' balls. I don't want to see a fictional "insurgent retaliation against imperialist America" Red Dawn, either, and not just because it would be an insulting simplification of the state of the world right now... with this being a blatant cash-grab, it'd just make for a really boring, obviously trite story. Flame away.
June 18, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST
Accrding to Kevin Reynolds, his script was originally written as an inner Lord Of The Flies scenario, but Milius changed it all to suit his own vision.
June 18, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST
When the DEA stops busting down doors of cancer patients, cocaine users get snared into a drug rehab rather than the prison industrial complex, and we leap over Morocco from 47th to 46th in healthcare rankings.
June 18, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST
Bollocks to Kevin Reynolds. Red Dawn stands up as a good laugh at least, even if half the film is them hunting deer and sitting in the snow. If Reynolds had got his way it would have been as unbearable to watch as Rapa Nui. And there's no way a remake of this in the current political climate can be good in any way.
June 18, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST
by Big Dumb Ape
You said it best: Milius' original WAS right wing masturbatory cheese, and as a result it DID have big swinging balls because it DIDN'T try to hide it's politics. And, with it's opposing viewpoint, the same was true for THE DAY AFTER which made no secret of which way its politics leaned. So, whether you agreed with the films or not, at least the people who made those movies had a view they wanted to express...it was fitting for the time...and THAT is what made the movies compelling to watch.<p>But I have NO such hope for this remake. As you said, I'm sure this will be just another lame Hollywood cash grab, where they figure they can use a pre-existing name to draw up some interest... cast some young actors to draw in the usual teen crowd for a quick Friday night opening... and then escape out the back door with the box office receipts before everyone in the theater realizes what a shitfest they're actually watching. Ultimately, you can bet that the makers of this turd will try to justify using the RED DAWN name and the remake concept in an attempt to argue that they artistically have "something" to say, but if that were really the case then why not just make a NEW and ORIGINAL movie? Gee, remember when people who got into movies did it because they LIKED movies and wanted to make THEIR OWN movies? This remake is yet another sign of how creatively bankrupt Hollywood has become, and how pitifully it's become just a cash grab whore machine now.
June 18, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST
An all-American action-adventure brought down to a wussy, we-had-it-coming movie. The writer can't even get Capitalist ethics right (not living beyond your means, not invading parties that refuse trade). That pink as***** needs to grab a copy of Atlas Shrugged. There's an apology from The States for the financial metdown to the rest of the world? WTF?! Is this going to be a moral-equivocation flick? The United States is no better than a country under the ethical philosophy (Altruism) that the individual has no rights? Read what the term's founder had to say here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism_(ethics) And Ayn Rand's rebuttal here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism_(ethics)#Criticism_of_the_doctrine Why does Hollywood have to remake every great American hero flick to take out what made them heroic in the first-place?
June 18, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST
Where did my paragraph spaces go?
June 18, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST
You've managed to unite the most viciously opposed factions on the internet-- right and left leaning talkbackers-- into agreement that your brand-name cash-grab remake is a BAD idea. And not just for the usual "remakes are bad" reason... but because this movie is (ALLEGEDLY, according to all evidence we can see) trying to have its cake and eat it too, in the form of taking xenophobic rah-rah cheese and trying to market it to bleeding heart, traitorous anti-americans by half-assing the premise to make it lay limply on the exact middle of the fence. Pinko leftist anti-americans don't want to see a movie about redneck gun-nuts as xenophobic freedom fighters, and dittohead racist war criminal-enablers don't want to see a movie that paints America as a short-sighted villain sowing what it reaps. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. This is the exact kind of story that NEEDS its balls, one way or the other, and that is inevitably going to offend some people. PLEASE, OFFEND US. Offend us in any way except by patronizing us in the way that the fence-sitting, bean-counting test-marketeers ALWAYS end up doing. Take a RISK. Use this grotesque expenditure of money to say something interesting, otherwise what's the point? For fuck's sake, this is a movie about taking a STAND. Pandering to every last demographic in the misguided hopes of trying to wring money from every available wallet is the exact opposite of a principled stand. It's called selling out.
June 18, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST
Okay, opinion is opinion, but let's get some frame of reference here. Ever see "The Siege"? That was a big budget Hollywood movie about terrorism. Radical fundamentalist Muslims were the antagonists. It wasn't a comedy and was quite prescient in depicting attacks on NYC.<br><br>Suggesting Hollywood is 'left–leaning' or 'politically correct' is an embarrassingly shallow view when faced with the constant barrage of 'Anglicized' Asian horror movie remakes exist, not to mention movies like 'Soul Plane.' Politically correct? I think not. Exploitative? Obviously.<br><br>My point is that in the post–Watergate era, the post–Iran/Contra era, the post–Clinton era, and now the post–Bush/Cheney/clusterfuck era, it seems many Americans have a more pronounced cynicism for 'traditional values.' Some voices in the Hollywood movie Industry (I'd argue that Gilroy is one) try to articulate that. For a profit, of course, but that's the bottom line for studio movies.
June 18, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST
Or nobody. Hollywood is so leftist they'll turn the enemy into Nazis or some bullshit (like they did with Sum of Fear) instead of real threats like China, Russia, Islamic Jihad, etc. Red Dawn was great because it had elements of realism. Milius, a man who loves his guns, could give this sort of insight. This is going to be like that shit movie where the submarine full of nazis land and take over the elementary school. It will be clownshoes all the way. I'm not interested to see 90 minutes of lefty attacks for $10. They already have MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and so on for that. And I'm equally disinterested in seeing some watered down movie too pussy to make a statement like the original did. And there is no way in the current Hollywood industry they'll do anything else.
June 18, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST
They are after all the real threat facing the world.
June 18, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST
All semi-memorable 80s movies need to be remade. Commando 3 Men and a Baby Gleaming the Cube Garbage Pail Kids Look Who's Talking No Holds Barred ... just to name a few
June 18, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST
by Frat Boy
is one of the best screenwriters working today. He was totally robbed when Diablo Cody, also a good writer, won for writing Juno. Michael Clayton was a far superior script.
June 18, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
screenplay. It's called TEN SOLDIERS and it's not all that different than RED DAWN except that it reads like he was writing to direct it himself with lots of camera direction and shot descriptions. I've got a slightly later draft too where Matt was replaced with Jeb's girlfriend Sandy who got most of Matt's lines, then a Milius draft which is obviously a Milius rewrite of Reynolds because I also have an early draft of APOCALYPSE NOW that is so beautifully written, so perfectly described that filming it would have only ruined it.
June 18, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
once said in an interview that the kids would be fighting the US Government. I became slightly less of a fan after that...
June 18, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST
and prob closest to what Hollywood will eventually churn out
June 18, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST
That would be the perfect Red Dawn remake. With fascist Obama creating czar after czar we're looking at some hideous blend of 1984 and Brave New World. I think many on the right fear a tyrannical leftist dictatorship like Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. While many one the left may hate the idea of this movie that' the fucking point! Milius hated Totalitarianism. Red Dawn was a big fuck you to the left. Back in the 80's the far left was Soviet Empire. Now it's the American government. So why not make the movie about teens surviving against an American despot? Would make more money than Passion of the Christ. Fucking great idea Milius! He knows the riddle of steel.
June 18, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
...There I was, summer of '84, poised to enter film school. I see a one sheet of RED DAWN and I'm stoked because Milius was my idol. I see the name Kevin Reynolds and I get even more stoked because I knew a guy named Kevin Reynolds back in junior high who wanted to be a filmmaker, too. I figure, I reconnect with my old geek bud who somehow turned pro, he gets me working for Milius, I got a career. The Kevin Reynolds who wrote RED DAWN was significantly older than us and already a lawyer. Told you it was Harry-like.
June 19, 2009, 4:30 a.m. CST
the best film this year so far. Gilroy is an immensely talented filmmaker and honestly, I wonder why he bothers to work on remake crap like this. It's the money, apparently.
June 19, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST
<< once said in an interview that the kids would be fighting the US Government. >> Great idea. Would certainly make for a more honest and urgent film than having an absurd alliance of Russia and China as an antagonistic force. Unfortunately, Hollywood lacks anything resembling *balls* these days, so they just rehash the original story with a minimum of tweaks. I wonder if people in H-wood are actually still *thinking* about what they're doing... or if they've all turned into bulltshit-peddling robots.
June 19, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST
But Red Dawn kicks ass. <P> I can see his reasoning about fighting the government since the only force in the world that the American people should fear is our own. <P> But all you fucking mouthbreathers that are cry about the tyrannical leftist dictatorship that American has become in the last 6 months need to fuck off and watch FOX News, the next "kill this abortion doctor" order is about to be broadcast. <P> Fucking Ass.
June 19, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST
<p>...if it were about freedom fighters rising up to take back our government from the looting, fascist Bushbama's of the world. Or perhaps a mass succession movement vs. the fed thing. Since much of the US military would likely be on the side of the secessionists, they could bring in some NATO or UN allies on the side of the feds who don't want to be there (to parallel the Mexicans? who didn't want to be there in the last movie).</p> <p>Obviously, China and Russia no longer make sense as invaders. China already owns us, and if they wanted to destroy us, they could simply sell off their treasuries (for less then it would cost them to invade us). And Russia will be able to pretty much do whatever they want once our military empire soon goes the way of our financial one.</p>