Cool News
Shia LaBeouf Claims Steven Spielberg Has "Cracked The Story" For INDY 5!
Beaks here...
Did anyone see this coming?
Going strictly by the worldwide gross ($787 million) of INDY 4, it should come a surprise to no one that, according to Shia LaBeouf (in an interview with the BBC), George Lucas and Steven Spielberg - two guys who love racking up box office records as much as they love making movies - would want to continue with the series. But considering that the last film ended with the whip-cracking archaeologist settling down and getting, *gasp*, married, wouldn't it seem a bit weird to drag him--
Okay, so this was totally a done deal the minute everyone realized the franchise was more popular than it's ever been. Yes, it may have been received poorly by some fans and critics, but money is money, and INDY 4 made a fucking pile of it. The question before us now is "Who's the lead: Indy or Mutt?" And if the answer is the latter, then I think it's fair to start wondering "Who's going to direct?", since I'm having a hard time seeing Spielberg return for what would essentially be a spinoff. I could be wrong (and that's not meant as any disrespect to Shia, who's a fine actor in my opinion), but that's the way it always felt like it would play out before we saw INDY 4. And now that we've seen INDY 4, I have a hard time believing Spielberg has a shred of interest in directing this kind of film anymore.
But I guess I could see him coming back for INDY 5 if his old pal Harrison was eager to take the lead one more time.
Frankly, I hope he pushes forward with INTERSTELLAR, the Kip Thorne-inspired, Jonathan Nolan-scripted science-fiction film which has been the most promising project on his plate for the last several years.
Readers Talkback
comments powered by Disqus-
+ Expand All
-
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
-
Oh Yeah 5 baby yawn
-
Still yawn
-
Just leave it alone. Indy IV was terrible. There's nowhere left to go but (further) down.
-
no way should that ever be done.
-
I think he's a decent and fairly charismatic young guy, and I'd gladly watch him in a series of Indy-esque adventures with H-Fo as his mentor. Just don't call him "Indiana Jones", and ideally the less Lucas involvement, the better.
-
First...who gives a crap, just say something worth while.
-
No no no no no no no no no
-
Recieved poorly by 'some fans and critics'...<p> Beaks is that meant to be a dig at your fellow AICN writers who gave the CRYSTAL SKULL such glowingly positive reviews?
-
I know where i'm NOT gonna be when this comes out...in a theater.
-
...would this be the Second to Last Crusade? George, Steven, Harrison...just stop.
-
Who gives a crap about Indy 5? I'd rather be first.
-
not sure what those things were at the start of the last film but that ruined it for me, ill never watch a new one ever
-
is like making Jurassic Park 4 without dinosaurs, a Friday the 13th without Jason a Buck Rogers movie without buck Rogers... and I don't know what else.
-
than see those two rape the series yet again
-
Listen, I love the vibe of Indiana Jones. The swashbuckling action adventure vibe. Globe trotting and surviving cliffhanger deaths at every turn. That is great stuff.<p> If that vitality can be retained then i'm all for more movies but... Harrison is too old now. Fact - plain and simple.<p> If they were to do it James Bond style with a new actor playing Indy that would be fucking great.<p> However the fact that they're talking to Shia about it means that they're doing this as a continuation. CRYSTAL SKULL 2 if you like. And you know what...<p> That fucking sucks!!!!!
-
Part I didn't have any Jason to speak of.
-
If only George Lucas would retire. Then this would have potential. I'm convinced 4 would have been better if he hadn't had as much power over it. I don't really have a problem with Shia, but Lucas has become poison.
-
You all will be there opening day, giddy as school girls in heat. and so will i.
-
I understand the movie industry is a business, but fuck aren't businesses supposed to take pride in their product. Clearly Spielberg and Lucas couldn't give a fuck about the product - evidenced by Indy 4 which was a steaming pile and the Star Wars prequels. And they couldn't give a fuck about us, the fans who love these characters and worlds they created. Shit my Mom doesn't even have a copy of Indy 4 and she masturbates to Harrison Ford more than American Gladiator!
-
Unless Spielberg's talked some sense into Lucas about the series. Indy needs certain things: a) Indiana Jones being the main character b) mystical artefacts need to be hunted in a race against time concerning c) the Nazis. I fully expect any INDY 5 to feature Nazis hiding out in South America looking for something (the Crown of Thorns, the Spear of Longinus, Noah's Ark, whatever) in order to kickstart the master-race / bring Hitler back from the dead. If we've got Mutt Williams looking for his comb / hair gel / puberty, I'm outta there.
-
No no no no no no no no no...
-
No, that's just me going out of my way to acknowledge that not everyone loathed it as much as I did.
-
<p>After waiting for something to happen throughout the entirety of "Indiana Jones and the Fourth Installment Whose Identifying Title Included Too Damn Many Consonants?" Nah. No IMAX for me. No movie screen for me. Will wait for the local library to have it available for borrowing.</p> <p>Anyway, what? "5" should have Indy in bellbottoms and Humperdink-class sideburns. Do we REALLY need to see that?</p> <p>Viva la Indys I and III</p>
-
Why not get Brett Ratner.
-
And we can't do anything about it!
-
Apology to the fans? Lucasberg gotta eat? Indy 4 was a piping-hot plate of shit, maybe lucasberg sees that and wants to make amends. Shia's not THAT bad, but he's no Ford.
-
Indy 4 may have made a ton of money but that had more to do with Indiana Jones being in a theater again for the first time in 20 years. It was something people wanted. After seeing Indy does anyone really want to see another adventure?<p> Indy 4 was just a really bad movie and that has nothing to do with the raping of childhoods as people like to proclaim. It was jast bad, from story, characterization, jokes and the god awful CG.<p> It may have raked it in but now people know what to expect from Indiana Jones, I doub a second one would make as much, I know I won't be paying to see it. After the huge disappointment Indy 4 was I'm not sure I'd want to see Indy 5 for free.<p> The up side though, they already made the worst Indy movie they could make, they couldn't possibly make one worse... could they?
-
I would love to have Indy five be about the last adventure of Original Indy, not dying or anything like that, but just passing the torch to his son, who drops the Mutt and takes the name Indy at the very end. In my opinion, Shia is the perfect actor to step in and take us on all new Indy adventures, never sullying the originals since they would be completely new adventures in a new timeline. I can't see how Spielberg would allow anyone else to direct an Indy FILM..sure he would allow TV shows and what not to go their own way, but why make another Indy film if he is not directing?? Can't see that. Harrison was PEFECT for the Role when he originated it...there is no other like him, and I feel Shia has that same 'IT' thing going for him, he has a similar charisma...I'm all for it...
-
in comparison to some of the crap released this summer. Terminator 4 and Wolverine were dreadful. I've watched Indy4 a few times now, and my only real complaints are the Mc Guffin was too weak for the movie and the scene with the monkeys and the waterfall made me cringe.If you can see beyond that, then you might find it quite enjoyable. I actually would like to see them take another crack at it and get rolling with indy 5. Although I agree with what another talkbacker said "Less Lucas involvement". Do you honestly believe Spielberg came up with the Mutt, Monkey, Vines idea?
-
is a helluva screenwriter. If Spielberg's smart, he 'll jump aboard whatever Nolan's next project is.
-
June 16, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST
Indy 4 was the biggest cinematic disappointment of my life
by BadMrWonka
I walked out of the theater shellshocked. it was like this huge, pathetic mess that somehow got worse and worse as it went on, culminating in this huge ridiculous michael bay ending that was so out of place in the series, it actually made me wince. <p>when Shia says something towards the end to the effect of "what just happened?" the whole audience snickered as if to say, "we don't know either!!"<p>so pathetically bad. just horrible. make all the new ones you want, but you won't see me in the theaters. and I suspect a lot of the people who were duped into seeing Indy 4 won't drink the Kool-Aid a second time.
-
Shitty LaBeef really knows about this? I think not. And "cracked" is correct. Crystal Skullfuck was an extremely depressing experience...about half-way through was when I realized that Steven Spielberg, my idol since I was 7 years old, had finally lost his goddamn mind.
-
They made a young indy project, nobody cared and it got canceled. People say it was good, but I've never met anyone that watched an episode. I remember trying 20 years ago and being bored to tears. Mutt sucks please don't waste our time with him. I like Superman's kid better than Mutt. An the thought of Superkid makes me want to puke. F you Singer and F you Lucas.
-
I have no problem with him as an actor. But his comments in the Playboy interview about wanting to marry his mother and how she is the sexiest woman he knows made my skin crawl. If your co-star is Megan Fox and your mother is still the sexiest woman you know, you are one messed up individual.
-
Was pretty solid... up til the end. Okay, the fridge thing was a little goofy. Okay, a lot goofy. Otherwise, it was enjoyable. I'm sure 5 would be too. Great? Probably not, but still better than much of what is out there.
-
I guess it's no suprise but I really wish they would create something new.
-
It's gonna happen. Whether you like it or not.
-
I'm pretty sure that he implied a while back that even HE though Skullfuck was fucking fucked! While watching the shitty-looking UFO take off, Harrison was probably wishing he were back being rolled down a hill again, like when he was a baby...
-
I am so bored with the raping my childhood crap. Good lord, you virgins need to get laid before you know what rape is. I didn't mind Crystal Skull considering anyone that has ever been to film school, you know like all the AICN talkbers, must have realized that once Indy saw the bomb it was going to be 1950's sci-fi flick. The most annoying character was the idiot doctor. Harrison and Shia had good chemistry together and Karen Allen was great as usual. I think Indy has a mentor cameo would be cool. Indy 5,6 and 23 can be made I'll be there and so will a lot of people. $787 million can't be wrong, but then Dark Knight made 1 billion and had a crap ending.
-
Which movie made you angrier?
-
came from Lucas
-
Whether it was Lucas' suggestion or not, Spielber directed Indy 4. Vine swinging, a brain dead Marion, Indy as an observer rather than a participant. He could have changed some of that and didn't. If a hack Indy 4 makes nearly $800 million, he won't balk at Indy 5.
-
Indy IV just didn't feel like Indiana Jones. It really felt empty as a movie. It also was pretty bad on the research part of things. I was in Peru watching it in the theater and the part where they arrived in Ica/Nasca Lines drew nothing but laughs from the audience. They had people in the desert dressed like people in the mountains with heavy ponchos and to top it off, Mexican music in the background. Then there was a jungle just around the corner from the desert. The research was VERY sloppy. If they can make a fifth one with the feel of the first 3, I wouldn't mind. I don't mind Shia, but he just isn't Indy and I don't think he could hold a movie series like that on his own.
-
Indy4 or the people that hated it so much they won't be able to stop talking and speculating about an Indy5? Most people old enough to have seen Raiders/Doom/Crusade in theatres on original release got along with Indy4 fine from my observations. The internet generation is so totally ignorant of the series/character's pulp origins and what that even means that they can't see the forest for the trees though. If you didn't like 4 I'd like to see some of you back up your venom by truly staying away from what they attempt with the character next, if anything, as you said you would do in all your principled ranting.
-
Put the animation team behind Clone Wars to work on some feature length specials on some of the great (not-yet) cinematic stories.
-
Indy 4 was the biggest disapointment for me. I don't really care about Spiderman so much and TPM was cool at the time it really didn't sink in that it was bad for about a year
-
Spidey 3, hands down. <p> MovieMaven - If they wait 20 more years, they can meld it with the Mummy movies, with Indy being the Mummy.
-
We need more monkeys on vines!<p>Less of that old bloke and more Shia, too, obviously...
-
I hope they go back to the Raiders format. As much as I enjoyed IJ4, in the sequels (and prequel) Indy has waaaaaayyy too many sidekicks. In Raiders, Marion and Sallah came and went throughout the story, but all the action was on Indy's shoulders. <P> In the last installment, how many sidekicks did Indy collect? Mutt, Marion, Mac (on and off), Oxley... that's 4, plus all the Russians in the mix. And they all needed screen time, so you get stupid stuff like Mutt doing the splits between two jeeps while getting nailed in the balls. <P> They gotta go back to basics: Indy vs (insert villains here). Raiders was great because is had that "Die Hard" effect on the character... just when you thought Indy couldn't take it any more, he gets himself into a fight with a HUGE fucking German mechanic. Only to end up in a truck chase. Eventually taking on a German U boat. The stakes just kept getting better and BIGGER! <P> But what am I saying... it will never happen. IJ4 made like a bagillion dollars. Steve, George and Harry will stick to the format that made them the most money. <P> a shame.
-
...then someone need to teach him a seriously less...maybe write a spinoff of SCHINDLER'S LIST and have McG direct it...
-
June 16, 2009, 3:17 p.m. CST
Didn't Lucas already say they weren't doing a Mutt movie?
by rev_skarekroe
I could've sworn he did.
-
seri0usly....who gives a fuck? Despite Harry's denials, the last movie was abso-fucking-lutely dreadful. One of the worst pieces of crap in the last 10 years - shit, it was so bad, even South Park tore it up using the hyperbole-infused charge of rape.
-
You mean Spielberg came up with something that doesn't suck? Was Lucas involved with this "cracking"?<P>Gods be damned. I don't know if I can suffer the shock I experienced with INDY4 again. The horror... the horror...
-
I wouldn't mind another film if just to get the bad taste of 4 out of my mouth. Whatever they do - do not let Lucas near the script.
-
...Shia was just stroking his own ego in the interview...
-
I saw all the Original Indy movies in theaters and loved them, but something was just too cartoony about part 4. I don't hate it but I will never watch it again or buy it.
-
Bay made a more entertaining movie than the dynamic duo of Lucas-Spielberg. How fucked up is that?!
-
But Indy 5 will be riding on the tail of Indy 4. Not an enviable tail to be riding on. A lot of people saw part 4, but not all of them (by a long shot) enjoyed it. I can't see part 5 achieving the same numbers as part 4.
-
please leave Mutt out of the next Indy sequel. Indy 4 was a pretty fun summer movie when he wasn't on screen.
-
nonononononononono!<p><p> Lucas simply can't make good movies anymore.
-
Peaking in popularity but way past its prime in the creative output department. A drunken George Lucas choking on his vomit could be our only hope of this mess finally ending.
-
Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars?
-
Nuked fridge >Dancing Peter Parker> Midi-chlorians on the lameness scale. But its close.
-
...mended.
-
A very appropriate statement, and that tail was soaking in the latrine while the massive diarrhea dump that was Indy 4 came into this world.
-
How did we get from "Steven's cracked the story" to "Shia is going to be the lead in a spinoff"?
-
June 16, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST
I Don't Know About Cracking Indy 5, But Spielberg Was On Crack W
by Media Messiah
Cocaine, is one hell of a drug!!!
-
that I wouldn't go see Indy IV. Based on the reviews I saw, I didn't want the franchise ruined for me the same way the prequels fucked Star Wars.<p>Seems like that was a good decision...
-
There has to be: (1) More groundhogs; (2) More swinging from vines with monkeys; (3) More refrigerators; (4) Megan Fox with a ILM CGI'd perfect thumb.
-
as Indy's long lost brother. seriously...
-
...incriminating on Spielberg, as in photographic evidence? Because he's in a bunch of the movies that the Beard is directing and producing. Or did Spielberg make a deal with the devil, but with the requirement being that he has to stick Lebouf in every other movie?
-
Originally Lucas said he wanted a spin off but later said he did not want a spin off. I don't know Lucas is crazy I think he wants to do what will make him a lot of money. The problem is he keeps going back to the same two things that make him money.
-
How about this: RE-MAKE the Last Crusade with Shia as Indy and Harrison as Henry. You could even one-up it by having Sean Connery show up as Grampa Jones. Oh, and 4 was visual bile.
-
...everything else was trifling. Then again, I didn't think Temple of Doom was that great.
-
...we get another kickass South Park episode???
-
Why not just release the video of Speilberg fucking farm yard animals that apparently Shia LeBeouf has stashed away that is having Speilberg put him in all these movies. I just don't get his fascination with Shia. He is a decent enough actor, but I don't feel he can carry a movie. His awkward teenager routine is getting old too.
-
June 16, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST
I Don't Know About Cracking Indy 5, But Spielberg Was On Crack..
by Media Messiah
...when he nuked the fridge!!! "Cocaine, is one hell of a drug!!!"-, renown philosopher, Rick James (author of Super Freak, and Give It To Me Baby)
-
Bile.
-
Are you the same guy that was on here before it came out that kept saying it was going to suck? If it is you I always wondered if you went to see it.
-
June 16, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST
Michael J. Bassett In Consideration For Predators?
by Trannyformers_Apologist
Joe Quesada Talks Thor and Iron Man 2 <P> Stuart Beattie is going to write and direct an adaptation of the novel Tomorrow, When the War Began. The film, which he calls “coming of age in a war zone,” will be his directorial debut. <P> Stupid Remake Of The Birds Finally Being Scrapped?<P> Reviews of ROTF say Devastator has balls and Bay has made a movie dumber then the 85 cartoon! <P> Megan Fox's foul mouth and toe thumbs are more than meets the eye!
-
..."Ford isn't too old!...trust Spielberg!...they wouldn't be involved in a piece of crap!!" I would say to anyone who would listen. Then it came out and I saw it. And it was worse than crap...it was dribbling, frothy anal leakage. Shame. Shame on them for making me sound the fool.
-
I'm not going to deny people's right to dislike/hate/criticize Indy4, but almost all of it is manifested in picking at the margins in ways that tear down the previous installments just as easily in my opinion. It's not my favorite of the series but it's so much better than what we routinely get anymore - especially as an entry in this stupid nostalgia trip Hollywood is on that I just find the venom to be hopelessly misguided and silly, if not just still-lingering fumes from internet Lucashate originated in '99 along the same lines. I do wonder how our pre-internet moviegoing experiences would have held up to all this internet ranting sometimes though. I suspect a lot of what we remember fondly would be diminished by others if not ourselves.
-
I had chilli for lunch.
-
Also known as "What would Don Logan Say?"...<p>To this piece of news his immediate reaction would be: "Not this time, Spielberg and Lucas. Not this time. Not this fucking time. No. No no no no no no no no no! No! No no no no no no no no no no no no no! No! Not this fucking time! No fucking way! No fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way! You've made me look a right cunt!"<p>There...yes, I think that just about covers it.
-
Screw the critics, I really enjoyed Indy 4 and would love to see Indy 5. Having said that...um...I kinda wanna see Lincoln and Interstellar sooner rather than later.
-
The more you try, the harder you fail.<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!
-
Likes to make the poster first then work backwards.
-
Oh GOD MAKE IT STOP. PLEASE! IT WON'T FIT! THAT'S WON'T GO UP THERAAAAAAAAAHH!
-
Can be traced directly to Lucas. EVERYTHING.
-
The original 3 are playing at the Music Box Theatre (Chicago) in July. Midnight movies over the weekends. I am going to help wash Crystal (skull) cola out of my mouth.
-
Yes, I know Lucas threw a quick soundbyte out there last summer, but as you say, he also retracted the idea fairly quickly. Both he and Spielberg have always maintained that Ford is the star of the franchise.
-
Saw all 4 in the theatres, loved the first 3. Never want to see part 4 again, it was a TRAINWRECK
-
I definitely thought it would suck based on Lucas' track record of late, but I think I kept those thoughts to myself. Hard to remember, though.
-
It was a generalization not a statement of fact. Get a grip.
-
Rolls off the tongue, eh?
-
OK I guess that was someone else.
-
it fell apart at the end for me. It's all been seen/done before it was like a cross between 'Close Encounters Of The Third Kind' and 'Raiders Of The Lost Ark'. The only thing it had going for it was the nostaglia factor and the references to the earlier movies. And the Lucas factor really needs to be excised if any of this is going to work at all in the 5th one(CGI gophers, monkeys, backgrounds, etc.)
-
I've been saying that for a while. It is interesting that virtually all of the movies Shia has been in since Disturbia are associated with Speilberg. Yeah, he is up for Wall Street 2 (a bad idea all together) and was attached to Y:The Last Man, but the only movies that seem to get get into the theater are Speilberg produced or directed movies.
-
The Indy 4 backlash always reminds me of the famous quote that usually gets credited to Pauline Kael: "How did Nixon win? Everyone I know voted for McGovern!"
-
I RODE STAR WARS AND INDIANA JONES TILL THEY DIED. AND THEN I DID.
-
animation a la Beowulf with Harrison Ford doing the voice of Indy. And they should be adventures of the younger Indy we knew and loved. Old Indy just doesn't work. And I have no in Mutt. Make that less than Zero!
-
Carl Sagan was/is amazing
-
<p>I'll start by laying out where I 'am' on the Transformers series. Never watched it as a kid, thoroughly enjoyed the first film - saw it in the cinema once, used bits of the HD-DVD (oops) to demo my home theatre but was never really tempted to watch the whole thing again - in the main I thought it worked because Shia was genuinely likeable and the effects absolutely floored me. It got by on those two things, even though the humour was occasionally cringeworthy, the action shot too close and overall it was too long. And for the record, I like a few of Bay's earlier films and thought The Island was OK, but didn't like Pearl Harbor, Armageddon or Bad Boys II (amazing trailer though). So, if you care about whether you agree with me on his past stuff... now you know. I saw the film in Seoul and here's what I thought... <p>Michael Bay isn't sorry. He does not feel shame or remorse. <p>He's not sorry for Bad Boys II. This film took the first Transformers and added the over-indulgence, unwilling-to-edit-himself attitude and disregard for story he brought to BB2 (only, no ultraviolence here). He even puts a Bad Boys II poster in the movie. For Bay, sequels must be bigger, longer, noiser and much, much shitter. <p>He's not sorry for the shot-close-up, hard-to-follow action when the robots fight. That's back again, and there's no standout action scene. The finale is a scrap in the desert that looks just like the one in the first film. Rather underwhelming. <p>He's not sorry for Pearl Harbor either. Minor digression here - and maybe I'm reading too much, but go with me... Pearl Harbor was his attempt to recreate the success of Titanic, right? Love triangle, historical disaster, epic... agree? Well, Transformers 2 features battleships getting death-from-aboved (as you've seen in the trailer), and then Bay goes on to restage the best shots from Titanic (people clinging on to and falling down half a vertical, sinking ship). He rips it right off, only with Transformers clinging on and planes tumbling down. "Fuck you!", shouts Michael Bay, gleefully spending millions of dollars on shots that serve to remind us of his biggest failure to date in an act of monumental hubris. (Sorry, I like that word). <p>And while we're on historical disasters that he's not ashamed to wring dry for our watching pleasure, towards the end he gets Optimus Prime to shout "Let's Roll!" before going into battle. Let's. Roll. Jeeeeeeeeeeee-sus. Even Paul Greengrass held back on that one and his film was about 9/11. Does he think this'll make for an audience-pleasing, whooping-and-hollering moment?! What on earth was he thinking? <p>Nothing slots together in this. During an action sequence, one minute they're in a desert, the next they're on a road. The film's so desperate to get back to the effects that even the most basic scenes are left out. At one point there's a momentary breather - one character fires off a flare so another can find them - which would make sense in most films. Here, it's the first time a character bothers to communicate such information to another, or that the film bothers to show it. It stuck out so badly that the second it happened, it was obvious the Decepticons were about to spot the flare and chase our heroes... and sure enough they do. Admittedly, that's a really minor moment and bound to sound like nitpicking, but in the main the film's a jumbled mess, hopping back and forth to squeeze in all the pointless characters. <p>The action's hectic but we're not invested - there's a couple of good lines and one good scene between Shia and Megan in a library - but most of the rest of it is clumsy plotting or foreshadowing, or cutting to CONSTANTLY FUCKING WISECRACKING people/robots in the middle of almost continuous, but rarely exciting, mayhem. Everyone's a walking cliche and that's how the film gets its laughs. I'm loathe to point out that there's a midget joke as it might tempt people to investigate the film, but this is not In Bruges. It's just tiring. And wait until you see the sort-of-dream-sequence at the end. Lordy. No thought has been put into what makes a film like this work - it's just an effects showcase, but second time around, even as someone who liked the first film, that just wasn't enough to get me through. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen just flat out did not work for me, and I'm sad about that.
-
Total shit. That was Indy 4. Not one sodding good thing to say about it except for when it finally ended. Spielberg lost it decades ago, Lucas has always been shit and steadily gotten worse, and Ford is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to old for the role. We need new writers, directors and a new Indy, and no fucking Mutt. Shia's cool and enjoyable to watch, but not in an Indy movie and not as Mutt. In fact, maybe they could hand this franchise over to the guys at Platinum Dunes and just let them remake it. I bet Nispel would be great for this once he's finished fucking Conan up the arse.
-
He was saying that before the movie came out but as soon as he heard the response to the movie he very quickly retracted his statement. I just thought it was funny.
-
Alternatively, Don might hear the news about INDY V and retort: "Shut up, cunts. You louse. You got some fuckin' neck ain't you, Lucas. Indy V? Fuck off, you're revolting. Look at your lack of ideas, it's crap, it's like mindless crap, your ideas. We could make a fucking franchise out of this mindless crap. Like another Star Wars, crap Star Wars, fat bastard. You two look like your best years as film-makers are passing, you know what I mean? Indy V? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Who do you think you are? Sylvester Stallone? The Neverending Story?<p>What you think this is a chance to make more money? You think you can cheat film lovers out of more cash and fuck off? Leave the table? Thanks Don, see you Don, off to make some more sci-fi now Don, fuck off Don. Lying in your studios like a pair of has-beens laughing at me, you think I'm gonna have that? You really think I'm gonna have that, ya ponces. All right, I'll make it easy for you. God knows you're fucking trying. Are you gonna make Indy V? It's not a difficult question, are you gonna do the movie, yes or no?"
-
Shia LaBumfluff
-
After Shia destroys the franchise they can reboot it with Matt Damon.
-
Spielberg: "Let's call it Mutt's death scene!" Lucas: "Can we have CGI howler monkeys?"
-
I went and saw Raiders again where Karen Allen did a Q&A. The guy next to me had halitosis of death. That's all I remember when they opened the ark at the end. <p> So the moral of the story is G-d says go to the dentist for a cleaning or you'll melt some guy's face off.
-
The key word to the problem is franchise. Thats the problem, McDonalds is a franchise
-
Um, how can it fall apart if it never came together? 4 was so bad. Just. Ew. Speilberg and Lucas skullf****ed me while I watched them do it.
-
Anyone that has seen the making of docs on the DVD knows that Spielberg was the architect of this movie, not Lucas. Lucas provided the story idea, thats about it. Personally I was disappointed when watching Skull as there was so much expectation but watching it again it's basically a lot of fun. The screenplay was weak and there were some dodgy CG moments (hello there gophers and monkeys) but it was nice to see a blockbuster made in the classical film style again after the geography-challeneged summer blockbusters of recent years. <p> Hell, I even enjoyed the whole end sequence. When Indy uses the skull to open the chamber door and John Williams music kicks in it was almost like being a kid again. I'd rate Skull third, ahead of Crusade.
-
Don't get all of the hate. Its not like all three of the originals were perfect either.
-
Where??
-
Lucas and Spielberg have both denied it. Nobody wants to see an indiana Jones movie without Harrison Ford.
-
Because man, I don't care; I check this website, not nukethefridge.
-
because he thinks that Yorrick is too much like his Transformers character and he doesn't wan't to play the everyman in a extraordinary situation again. WTF? Did he ever play something else? CAN he play something else? Indy 4 makes me think: No. <p> So be it...bring on Joseph Gordon Levitt!
-
...disappointment and SOUTH PARK had the only accurate and definitive thing to say on the subject. End of sad story.
-
For people who thought the fridge scene was ridiculous, I ask that they take a look at the first three films. ALL of them had scenes like this. ALL OF THEM!!!!
-
Raiders WAS PERFECTION, and 2 & 3, while not perfect, were great films. What do YOU define as perfect films? Please, examples...
-
June 16, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST
The "story" has been cracked; now Lucas can F-up the script.
by Bob Cryptonight
-
Quote: "Its not like all three of the originals were perfect either."<P>You need to watch RAIDERS again. Then take a long look at yourself in the mirror and make a change.
-
I'm surprised at you. Talking that way about our baby. He's got your looks, too. <p> And your brains.
-
transformersreview, with that name you shoulda been the worst plant in history. But I think you're probably on the level.<p> "the film's a jumbled mess" pretty much sums up my feelings about the first. I won't be going to see it.<p> But to tie it back to this tb is TRANSFORMERS 2 better or worse than CRYSTAL SKULL?
-
...that's right...the only scene that had a little of the old Indy zip.
-
But he also joked about not having mentioned it to Ford or Spielberg. The only people who put much stock into the idea were the ones posting online. I see where you're coming from, although I'd be surprised if Lucas really paid any attention to the negative reaction. Unlike most filmmakers, he just naturally expects that his ideas will be trashed online.
-
Great foreshadowing.
-
"Why did you go back on your promise and fill Indy 4 with CGI?" I'd fucking love to hear his answer.
-
Gonna watch Indy4 BluRay and freeze frame one of the the gopher cutaways (the shortest-lived images to ever ruin an entire film in the history of cinema) and do a Vader impression, "NOOOOOOO!!!!!!" Toodles.
-
I definitely don't consider Attack of the Clones or Revenge of the Sith "good" movies. They just... exist. Saw them both in the theater, have seen bits and pieces of them when they come on tv or when I'm in a store, and I've never felt the urge to stop what I'm doing and watch, which is what happens when I happen upon an actual good movie. As for what I consider a straight up "BAD" movies with no redeeming value whatsoever: see THE SPIRIT. FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUCCCK
-
I hope it's not dead.
-
Worst. Review. Ever.<P>You actually created the "transformersreview" handle just to post that garbage?
-
"why did you light INDY 4 like an Elisabeth Taylor perfume commercial? Wrinkles on Indiana Jones are cool. Don't light him like Barbara Walters."
-
And say I actually enjoyed INDY IV. Not as much as the first three, but there were enough little moments where I thought "It's good to have you back, Indy." I'm not sure why, but I have faith that Spielberg CAN make a better number five. Just focus on INDY, with Mutt and maybe Marion as the only side characters (besides the baddies). Ford was just named the highest paid star for the past year again this week - he earned $65 mil for the fourth installment. I have a feeling he could be lured back for another...
-
Last Crusade was Spielberg slumming it after Empire of the Sun tanked. Its the most lazily directed Spielberg movie ever, a lame retread of Raiders. Lets not even mention Brody and Sallah being turned into Carry On characters...
-
It felt like this last time...what can happen now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvXm1D90Y8U
-
I actually liked it. I like the original Indy's. I'm not a rabid fan mind you. I think the spirit of the originals is in there and I'm not quite sure what was so "god awful" about it. Compare it to other adventure films and its got quite a few really fun moments. You don't have to like it but I don't get the rabid foam at the mouth hatred some of you seem to be spewing. Its a little over the top. Especially when you see what Lucas did with Star Wars, I think Spielberg avoided alot of those pitfalls.
-
turketron, THE SPIRIT 'no redeeming value whatsoever'<p> Scarlett bending forward in low-cut nurses uniform (that aside I totally concur).
-
I remember that, he did go back on his word that movie was filled with CGI. In case anyone was wondering that IS part of the reason the movie was terrible.
-
You are correct. How anyone could not accept the nuked fridge scene yet accept Indy going out of a plane on a raft, inflating it in mid-air, landing on a mountainside then going off a cliff and plummeting hundreds of feet into a white-water rapid is beyond me.
-
Who the hell else could prove the existance of Jesus Christ, Aliens, survive a nuclear blast, and not even look back??? Thats right, Indiana fucking Jones, Mr. Badass himself! I agree that Indy as a mentor would be a good idea, he also still has a little kick in him as well...
-
Yeah, I thought about that when I was creating the account. "OMG I just saw transformerz 2 and it woz soooooooo sickk!" <p>But no, I am on the level, I promise, and it was not a good film. And I liked the first.
-
Lucas was responsible for: 1) Delaying the project for YEARS with his hissy fit bullshit. 2) The interdimensional being plotline 3) David Koepp. 4) Mutt swinging on vines. The man manipulates Spielberg constantly. The only thing that might have Spielbergian origins was the weird lack of gunplay which Spielberg has been instituting recently.
-
And to answer your question, I preferred Indy 4, but then I thought Indy 4 was a fun 3/5 adventure that didn't live up to the originals (which I like, but was never a hardcore fan of).
-
Actually, I think you're in the majority- just not on this particular Talkback. From all outward indications, the general consensus was that Indy 4 was "not great, but good enough". And despite all the talk that we don't need another, this has become the 2nd most popular topic in less than an hour. We might as well face the fact that Indy is still a popular subject, even three decades later.
-
is a fucking tool of the highest order...if he has his hands anywhere near this movie it will fail...but if he's going to make this lets get J.J. Abrams to direct and cuse and lindelof to write the fucker...we can give lucas credit for the "story" or whatever he needs to nourish his monstrous quality devouring ego...keep Lucas away from the screenplay and let the Lost boys have at this fucker...at least we know it will be entertaining and most likely without any cringe worthy parts
-
By saturday morning serials than anything goes in my book. Nuked fridge. Aliens. Space ships. Whatever. I mean its a live action cartoon. Always has been always will be.
-
...Himalayas to the jungly plains of India in an inflatable raft in about three minutes.
-
I've said it before, and I'll say it again till I'm blue in the face, Spielberg knows how to direct action scenes. The fight prior to the rocket chase, the motorcycle chase, even the jungle truck chase...all are directed with an eye for action and edited so you can actually make sense of whats going on. It still amazes me that Spiel backs guys like Bay and Caruso.
-
The number one problem with the first Transformers was the comedy relief idiots. Too many of them.
-
the whole "based on saturday morning seriels" excuse is fucking tired and it's a shitty excuse to justify an even shittier movie
-
but Harrison Ford's performance was part of the problem with Indy 4. It certainly wasn't top of the long list of things that made the movie the piece of shit that it was. But, hearing from Blanket-Man that he earned $65,000,000 for that tired phoned in performance pisses me off. And I love the man, almost in a gay way, but not.
-
transformersreview, yeah I think I also would've given INDY IV 3/5 upon walking out of the show.<p> However, since then I've felt absolutely zero compulsion to watch it again... so rather than being one of those films that 'grows on you' I think the opposite might be true.
-
...to describe Indy IV? Holy crap, some of you people need to get away from your glowing rectangles and experience life for God's sake.
-
Were originally made for kids. These kids grew up and suddenly called these movies "art". So when Lucas and Spielberg once again made these movies for kids the adults got upset that they didn't get a movie made for them when the originals were also made for kids. Its pretty absurd. Moriarty was right about this new generation of entitled internet fanboys.
-
Sorry, that title just doesn't have the same ZIP as say, "Indiana Jones and the BLANK of BLANK"<br><br> I'd like an Indy5, but what the frick are they going to call it?
-
Spielberg was on top of his game. It's a great looking picture. I think the warehouse sequence might be one of my favorites in the franchise. But the writers (Lucas and his minions) dropped the ball. Let Darabont write #5 and kill off Mutt. Then we're good.
-
<p>Bring that shit on. And if you DIDN'T like Indy 4, you can go fuck yourself, I couldn't care less.</p> <p>Good day.</p>
-
You DOUCH BAGS FUCKED UP THE LAST ONE SOOO FUCKING BAD AND POOPED ONE MORE WET FUCKING TURD IN MY INNER CHILDS MOUTH WHILE BEING EAR RAPED BY SHAI LAFUCK!!!!! Whew, damn, I'm forty and should be ashamed of myself. BUT I'M NOT YOU FUCKING FUCK LUCAS!!!!!
-
...hyperbole friend. Read more about hyperbole in your local library.
-
I think FOrd easily slipped back into Indy. I bought it. The ONLY time he seemed off was the first bits of dialogue outside the warehouse. There was a hammy delivery there that HAS to be intentional but I still don't get why.
-
....I prefer masturbation to real sex.
-
The action in Skull was brilliantly directed. Sure the film was weakly written but Spielberg brought his A-game to the table.
-
...and the Assisted Living Facility of the Cracked Hemorrhoids.
-
I said "Good day", sir.
-
You are absolutely correct. As Lucas said: "The fans grow up. The films don't." Watch Last Crusade and Skull back to back. You may get a surprise.
-
give this to Abrams and the Lost writers...you know it would work
-
I think it was the ADR. Or the CIA. Whatever.
-
I was not a fan of some of the cg elements, namely Shia swingin' with monkeys, but aside from that, I thought the movie was awesome. I got to give it to Raiders as the best for starting it all, but in my opinion Temple was extremely weak. I know most of my peers remember Temple as their first Indy experience, or how awesome Short round was, but it was not good. IMO, of course. Last Crusade for Connery alone wins out over Temple. So I'd put Raiders on top, Crystal Skull as tied for second with Last Crusade and Temple as a distant third.
-
A good movie is a good movie. Doesnt matter who it's made for. Original Star Wars and TPM both made for kids sure, but the new one just does not have that x factor or magic that made the originals so great. The pacing the acting the story the chemestry of the original is just amazing really.
-
June 16, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST
I still think that a top notch INDY that focuses on his...
by FlickaPoo
...age would be great. Indy was always creaky at the joints...age suits him well. I would love to see him beating Nazis with his cane. But not after INDY 4.
-
June 16, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST
Who wants to see another half-hearted effort from Spielberg?
by TurdontheRun
Indy 4 was a limp offering to satisfy 'fan' demand, just like The Lost World was a listless and obligatory sequel to Jurassic Park. It's clear that Spielberg had little enthusiasm or interest in the project. So who wants to see another movie in the same vein? I would much rather see Lincoln and Interstellar, projects he actually seems excited about. <P>And yes, Spielberg is definitely the one to blame, not Lucas. If the anti-Lucas brigade had bothered to do some research into the devlopment of the project, instead of mindlessly mouthing off, they would know this. Vine-swinging, sanitized violence, silly comedy, family issues - this all came from Spielberg, following on from the light-hearted and over-rated Last Crusade, which was more of a Spielberg movie than a Lucas one. Conversely, the hugely under-rated Temple of Doom - which, if you think about it, was the purest one as truest to Indy's pulp, straight-down-the-line, serial adventure roots - had more of Lucas in it, and was all the better for it. Of course, Raiders was the perfect melding of both sensibilities.<p>Spielberg, stay away from this unless you bring your A game; we don't need to see another phone-in job.
-
Yeah Ford's delivery outside the warehouse was weird.
-
Lucas isn't responsible for Karen Allen's acting, true. But Lucas was the man who wrote her character as a smiling dolt. She had nothing to work with in that script. Everything else you mentioned besides the CG were story flaws. Mutt being emphasized, Indy being a passenger, the lame action sequences. Those are all writing flaws. Not technical flaws on SPielberg's part. And who wrote the script again? Oh, yeah. GEORGE "FUCK THE FANS I WANT MORE MONEY" LUCAS. Spielberg is just a puppet.
-
I keep saying this, but it hasn't stopped being true - for some reason Gen. X is demanding that their childhoods grow up with them, and they need to get over it. You don't see my dad bitching that there's not a grim 'n gritty version of Captain Video out there. He didn't whine to all his friends when that crappy Lone Ranger movie came out in the '70s. 'Cause he grew up.
-
Indy snatching his hat back from him at the end basically said "sorry, kid - these are my adventures. I'm the only one who can wear the hat".
-
June 16, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST
After seeing what passes for summer movies this year
by Larry of Arabia
I kinda long for things like the bland competence Indy 4. The only bright lights of the summer were Star Trek and Up. Everything else was a hackjob.
-
...I know the geography sort of works, but in tone it's pretty close the "the fridge". I thought INDY 4 was a boring turd, but I did think the fridge scene had a little of the old zip.
-
Yup, Raiders is classic and Doom is great.
-
Sure the fans do grow up and when they do, true art will take on new meanings and work on differant levals. Take the Beatles for instants their fans grew up and the music took on new meaning.
-
AFTER Mutt and Irina Spalko's swordfight!
-
What ever happened to shooting things outside. Vitamin D motherfuckers. That shit is good for you
-
of the Decepticon's Balls. <P> That is all.
-
Exactly. I'm not gonna waste time slating Spielberg when Bay, McG and Sommers are in work.
-
Mr. Speilberg, don't you have enough money? Wouldn't you rather do a movie that actually excites you? Try a modern adventure instead because for the life of me I'm having difficulty remembering anything you've made lately that takes place in the modern world. There was "War of the Worlds" I suppose, but would an original script kill you?
-
George Lucas didn't write the script. Try double checking imdb next time you feel like spouting off "facts".
-
Yeah but the equivalent here is the Beatles bringing out a new album in the 1980s. I'm sure most fans of the 60s albums would have been unimpressed.
-
COME ON GUYS! WE LOVE INDY! BE COOL.
-
You are correct, but they didn't, they moved on and did new stuff. Thats the differance between them as artist.
-
June 16, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST
adjusted for inflation, KINGDOM is not the most popular
by RogueScribner
Domestically, KINGDOM grossed less than every other Indiana Jones film. Worldwide, only TEMPLE OF DOOM grossed less. Adjusted for inflation, of course. So I don't think the franchise is "more popular than it's ever been."
-
dude ur crazy if you think Abrams and co. couldn't have done a better job with Indy 4 than Lucus...i'm sorry but I'll take a movie made by guys who are still in touch with the audience over some ancient has been and his once great director sidekick...sorry but Lucus is done and Spielberg is following his buddy george to the grave
-
You and your endless goddamned straw men. Just about everyone here in talkback hated Indy 4 when it came out, and you know it. You did the same thing when I Am Legend came out, accusing AICN fanboys of worshipping Will Smith when the polar opposite is closer to the truth. <p> What's wrong with you, anyway?
-
True, but Spielberg did dabble in new genres too, Schindlers List, Amistad, Catch me If You Can etc. And Skull was different, even if some fans didn't like the whole alien angle to it.
-
The writer was David Koepp, who was specifically brought on board by Spielberg - he's written other stuff for him - and he is a terrible writer, utterly bland and unimaginative. So again, as said above, the mindless drones should get their facts straight.<p>As for Darabont - his script was awful. Lucas called it right when he rejected it.
-
As an artist you should know when to say when and move on with your creativity. I think Speilberg has but Lucas has not. I think he's more interested in created the McDonalds of movies.
-
people love to bitch about Americans and Hollywood, but its foreign audiences that will eat up whatever shit looks flashy and goes boom. Terminator Salvation is making tons of cash and fucking Angels and Demons is well pat the 400 million mark . 400 MILLION!?!?!? <p> fuck. none of these stupid franchises will ever die.
-
WTF are you talking about? Abrams is a mediocre TV director. If you can't tell the difference between the direction of Crystal Skull and the direction of Star Trek there really is no hope.
-
really made for kids? What makes them kids movies?
-
Correct - Spielberg brought Koepp onboard. And Darabont's script was AWFUL, like bad fan-fiction.
-
He still does- he party-crashed ROTS to help develop the lava duel on Mustafar. Maybe it's not the thrill it was for him 25 years ago, but I believe strongly he'd want to be the one working with these characters. That being said, INDY 4 was not a good movie. It was a Sci-Fi movie of the week with big effects. Wretchedly idiotic.
-
I agree about Speilberg. He's done great stuff. I think he's more of an artist.
-
We all know why we went to see the last one - DO NOT give us a "PASSING OF THE TORCH" CRAPFEST!
-
That's something I'd go see.
-
I understand where you're coming from. But I did like Skull, it had problems sure but the old vibe was still there in enough places. <p> And, whilst I liked Munich, at least Skull didn't have a sequence as bad as the sex scene in Munich. Spielberg should never do sex scenes, it's not his thing.
-
haha ok abrams has directed barely any of the episodes of his tv shows...he is a creative talent...and he brings with him Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof...those guys could write the shit out of an INDY 5 script...I don't care if Abrams directs or not to be honest...I would like to see HIS TEAM take a shot at Indy
-
ever since Lost World, his characters have been terribly unrealistic in his fantasy movies. They feel like pale imitations of normal people by hopelessly out of touch ultra rich, new age hollywood types. <p> great director, but he just seems like he doesnt have the heart for fun movies anymore.
-
My point is the Beatles did not come out with a new album in the 80s. They knew it was over and they did not try to cash in and make a crappy album. They moved on, they knew better. Money is not everything.
-
Nuff said.
-
directing in Indy 4 was not something you should be citing as quality...Abrams took an average Star Trek script and turned it into a universally loved movie...Spielberg capitalized on brand recognition with Indy 4...not his best work
-
Indy 4 is a steaming pile of shit that started bad and ended worse. Why anyone would feel compelled to defend it is beyond me.
-
fuck this noise
-
Two can play this game!
-
some of my favorite kid friendly moments in Raiders include: Alfred Molina being skewered by a bunch of spikes, the roomful of mummies in the Well of Souls, and melting Nazi faces. <P> Take that, Disney.
-
Crystal Skull is an abomination. Absolute dung. The worst movie experience of my life. No hyperbole.
-
Huh, I never thought of them as kids movies. They've always been in the same category I put films like Back To The Future or Ghostbusters. Family movies, I guess, but still ones that it's entirely possible to enjoy regardless of age.
-
and Iran is a democratic state.
-
Just like Terminator, for godsakes, they entered the fours and now are aiming at a fifth with this series. Not being a fan of the 4th, just please end this at 6 and not 5. It would just be so much better. Film series that end at 5 is just wrong. You've already butchered what you created, at least wrap it up at 6.
-
...scene" is the one small glimmer of fun in an otherwise slowly decomposing turd.
-
Seriously? most of those people cant afford to watch movies. the ones that do are becoming a larger and larger problem for keeping these shit franchises going. ten years ago, T5 would be a bomb, now its a runaway smash hit, and its not because of AMericans. Same with many other shit movies. Studios have absolutely no reason to quit making movies now, because Americans matter less to their wallets. not saying its wrong, just saying how it is.
-
is still one of my faves
-
it will limp to 150 million maybe, but will make 400 mil worldwide. thats all that matters now.
-
i welcome it! C'mon, it'd be fun! Especially if there's more alie....erm..... INTERDIMENSIONAL BEINGS.
-
I hated Shia as much as the next geek but come on, we're talking about a kid who went from a (horrible route like most upcoming actors are taking, which will lead them nowhere) Disney Channel show, to Holes, and then showing he can hang with the grit. For christsakes, you can hate that Indy 4 sucked, but enough with the Shia hate, he's proved enough. Remember back when DiCaprio was like Shia? Playing a douchebag in his movies and then he works up to The Departed. Cut him a break, he's done enough to please honest fans of films.
-
Indy shoots his dad and runs off to join the Texas Rangers
-
...it took them almost 20 years to "crack" the Crystal Skull "story" with full approval from the big three. What the hell does that say about the potential of this one? Maybe they realize they no longer have a standard of excellence to maintain, so any story will do.
-
He is Indy. Not Shia and his stupid monkey like swinging antics in Indy 4.
-
June 16, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST
By "cracking" it, does Shia mean there will be a Monkey King?
by finky089
because, we all saw how he loved to swing with them monkeys in the trees in KOTCS. <p> Or has that script been around way too long for Lucas still be interested in it?
-
I don't think Lucas and Spielberg make these just for kids. I think it's more accurate to say they make them for the kid inside of everyone. The best Indy 4 reviews I heard all came from people over the age of 40. But you're still pretty close with your assessments. When Return of the Jedi first came out, a lot of fans were upset by the Ewoks. ("What?! Star Wars is not for children- it's cinema for mature adults!!") I guess they simply forgot that the last entry had starred a fucking muppet. The same thing happened again when Phantom Menace was released. Yes, there are valid criticisms that can be leveled at any film, but many people take this stuff far too seriously. As Moriarty said in his Indy 4 review, today's audiences no longer have a taste for pulp. If it's not trying to be "gritty" or "realistic" (sic), then it's obviously the worst movie ever made.
-
Indiana Jones has a seat on the Galactic Senate. Right next to E.T.
-
June 16, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST
whats the big deal with Iran? they are voting for vice president
by BMacSmith
Khamenei runs the shit there, the 'president' is a laughable figurehead position. if they want to protest, protest the stupid clerics.
-
Soviet villains, 1950s, nukes, alien shenanigans, old Indy, Marion Ravenwood -- NONE of these things were bad ideas at all. What went wrong was the EXECUTION of every one of those things at the hands of Spielberg and Lucas. <p> I was one of the project's most vocal supporters in talkback for ages. I waged flame wars against its most ardent foes, people like Nodiggity, and tirelessly championed the return of Indy. <p> I was wrong. <p> The movie was terrible. Sure, as a stand alone film it may not have been the worst on the market, but as an Indy film? Fucking horrible. Unforgivable. The opening scenes were great, although the bum note of Ray Winstone's character was alarming. Unfortunately, Mac was simply the harbinger of how awful the movie would swiftly become. <p> Virtually NOTHING in the film worked. And Karen Allen? When did she forget how to act? Zero chemistry between the leads. <p> The only person to escape that shambling clusterfuck of a movie was Ford himself. He was great, but was given nothing but shit to work with. <p> What a crushing experience it was to watch that film.
-
It is pretty much Lucas going non-stop at Spielberg saying, "more CGI.. and let's have aliens." Spielberg says no it's silly, then gives in later. Spielberg needs to follow his gut and slap Lucas to wake up.
-
If Spielberg is keeping the Beef in the loop then clearly he hasn't cracked the story yet. Any Indy sequel would have to have no Beef in order to be any good. So it's more the case that Spielberg has crapped the story.
-
They'd best stay away from all the stink of Indy 4 and that includes shia.
-
Lucas....step away from the franchise!! Don't rape our childhoods any further you bearded tit.
-
have you seen the piracy rates in CHina and the 3rd world, not to mention more developed places?<p> um... when did i say they cant afford to eat? show me where i said that. obviously thats not the case. You went off on some long winded rant that has absolutely nothing to do with anything i wrote. congrats.<p>Action movies have always done well, but never made much of an impact until the last 15 years or so. People have more money and dont give a shit how bad it is because its probably some shitty dub or subtitle that wont make sense anyway.
-
Given Shittas real life statements about his Momma, I can see how Lucas, a well known sexual fetishist, would be influenced to write up a little Mother-Son action.
-
Gimme Monkey Island - The Movie.
-
For one thing, Shia is in my mind kind of like a young Cruise. He always runs in his films. Unlike Cruise, he tends to find loopholes where he can escape looking like a complete idiot and become worthy of being some type of hero at all. I'm not saying the kid is a Grade A actor, i'm just saying he's worthy of playing the lead role in many gritty action flicks. For instance, Eagle Eye sucked, but he played a good role, as for the guy who walks into his apartment to find he's a public enemy. He didn't act like a pansy most of the time, he did what the phone said, regardless of knowing the outcomes. Transformers, he's playing a struggling teen, trying to get a car, he gets one, it turns out he's now a new prophet for planet Earth, yet he doesn't back down, he goes the distance. DiCaprio's best role was Basketball Diaries, I dont recall whether that or Gilbert Grape came out first, but he fell (sadly), by his own choice under the pop culture icon radar, summing up next to N'SYNC and The Backstreet Boys. Not exactly was he the douche movie guy, he had a good thing going, but crumbled sadly under his success and became a teen phenomena. Luckily, like Mark Whalberg's distress, he got his A game back, and he's a wonderful actor again.
-
junk
-
MOAR ANTS, MOAR MONKEYS, DAMMIT MOAR!!!!
-
once you have gotten OSCAR fever, you really cant go back to what you were. like Ron Howard, hes chasing oscar and slumming with indy...he wouldnt make Raiders today what it was, nor Jaws, nor ET...hes a different person..i can accept that, but HE needs to.
-
We all know Paramount raped our childhood with Iron Man, Indiana Jones 4, Star Trek, Transformers, and GI Joe <P> "So Pause.com claims to have a mysterious source who tells them that Indiana Jones 5 is actually in the works, not at Paramount Pictures where the last movie was distributed, but over with 20th Century Fox."<P> Paramount might stop raping childhoods and give it to Fox where the raping of childhoods belong!!!!!!!!!
-
I no longer care what they do with this franchise. The damage is done now, irreparably.
-
i didnt care that he was fighting commies (Doom is my second favorite and there were no nazis), but the movie sucked balls anyway. as lame as the monkey swinging bullshit and the nuked fridge was, what killed it for me was the waterfalls. i gave up completely then. all sense of danger and tension were gone once they became invincible supermen that could not be killed. From that point on it was just watching a pointless string of events until it mercifully ended.
-
are you talking to me? is there another bmacsmith i dont know about/? who the fuck are you talking to? Road Warrior what?
-
I left Indy 4 a depressed sob, but I just for some reason have faith they will get this one right. Give Indy more to do, have him race AGAINST his son to get the artifact. Make it up to Darabount and let him write it. Fuck the kids and lets have some of that Indy darkness here. THIS COULD WORK if all of these things are done.
-
You're right. There was NEVER a sense of real peril in this ADVENTURE movie. Insane. That's like the most important part and shit.
-
I couldn't stop laughing at it <p> <p> <p> ---to keep from crying
-
I'm not crying in my blue milk over it either. I liked the movies growing up and then... well, I grew up. Maybe if I was 12 I could have latched onto SKULL, but I think the movie is flawed in ways that even a kid could identify. What does it say about a story when the hero's entire participation in the outcome is completely negligible? The Aliens handled their shit just fine, no need for Indy whatsoever. Way to go, Lucas & Spielbergo.
-
so you are saying foreign box office grosses always accounted for most of a movies take? that foreign audiences arent propping up many shitty Hollywood films that would have died a merciful death a few years ago without these huge foreign revenues (at least those that werent propped up by shitty American audiences back then)?<p> virtually every blockbuster American movie makes huge income from foreign sources now, no matter how bad. At least some of these are failing miserably in America, but it doesnt matter to execs. This is undeniable. Granted, North America still accounts for a larger percentage, but its not enough anymore to kill some of these shitty franchise. THESE ARE FACTS. <p> calm down, sweetheart, and try to rationally explain why this isnt the case. Argue your points raionally without resorting to hilarious exxagerations and anger. you can do it!
-
Just don't invite Harrison. Shia was bad, really bad, but not completely unwatchable. Why does everyone ignore the fact that other than the absolutely laughable CGI, what brought the movie down more than anything was Harrison Ford's dismally bored performance. In some movies you see boom mikes, in Indy 4 you could see the telephone cord. Ford and Spielberg phoned this fucker in. Maybe they gt tired of fighting neckbeard over control and the final draft, I dunno. But Indy 4 was neckbeard all the way. <br> <br> It is no overstatement to say that it was the most dissapointing moviegoing experience of my lifetime. I got over the prequels cuz they had glimpses of greatness at times and cuz I understand now that Lucas is just an out of touch egomaniac who wants more than anything to impress us all with his technical wizardry and will throw story out the window to do so. I looked past how cardboard and fake the movies seemed cuz I knew it was Lucas stroking himself. It was a hard pill to swallow but i fucking did it. <br> <br> Then came news of Indy 4. Yeah, Shia was playing a Lucasesque cardboard character named Mutt. I looked beyond it because it was Indy. Indy always felt like Speilberg, it alwaus felt like Lucas was along for the ride and Spielberg had all the control. <br> <br> Then I went to see that horrible, horrible, terrible, piece of shit movie that they all fucking phoned the fuck in! It was Lucas, it was all Lucas. You could feel it. It felt like Spielberg and Ford were completely unhappy with it and it came out on screen. I know that they are just as much to blame, but it was that cocksucking digital dynamo that molested Indiana Jones. So let Lucas have it, let Shia take it over. Blow it all to hell and back. Just keep Ford out of it because it was painful to watch him have so little fun with a character that used to be so goddamned fun.
-
did you try looking in the pockets of Lucash and $pielberg?
-
June 16, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST
The "crack": Harrsion Ford as Mutt Jones in the present!!
by Flim Springfield
Okay, not really.
-
Also he's always been a straight shooter and continues to say he liked how it turned out. He did a fine job, but given MUCH MUCH MUCH more to work with with make his part even better. Lucas, just back the fuck off man. Seriously.
-
June 16, 2009, 5:05 p.m. CST
Shia LaBeouf Claims Steven Spielberg Has "written Indy 5 while o
by palewook
he was mis-quoted
-
I got the weirdest impression that his character was almost moving backwards through the film. I mean, the film is five minutes old and he's already double-crossed Indy, with absolutely no emotional pay-off whatsoever because of it. It's actually kind of funny because Indy gives him a look that seems to say "Ray, you tool, you're not supposed to do that until the end of the film." <p> After that he just keeps popping up in weird situations, cheerfully and inappropriately yells "INDY!" and gets punched for fucking up the scenes. <p> What a fucked up movie.
-
No way will I face possible shame by seeing another INDIANA JONES film, not after such a depressingly bad fourth installment. Shitty script, terrible characterization, and phoned-in direction from Spielberg.
-
I am of the believe that one of the problems with Indy 4 is that Lucas and Spielberg belabored it too much. The thought that Spielberg has an idea already actually gives me some hope. I think they all need to go in and make this quickly without over thinking it. <p> For the record, I think Skull was better than Crusade.
-
damn tb cut off the header
-
Lucas had the idea for KOTCS and it was shit. But now Spielberg has the story idea s maybe it'll be good!? You all know you'll ALL go see it anyway. And the shit will make a ton of d'oh!
-
been reading EMPIRE OF DREAMS--basically he made CRUSADE because he became a father and wanted to rectify his relationship with his dad..also wanted to cleanse his palate after DOOM..pisses me off that hes trying to distance himself from DOOM...SKULL wishes it could be DOOM...<P><P>furthermore...i dont mean hes always making oscar bait, but his turn for serious dramas--COLOR PURPLE, AMISTAD, MUNICH, SPR, SCHINDLER, all were to show that hes not just the guy who made ET, INDY, and JAWS...he wants to be more than a guy who makes films that make tons of money. <P>and yes hes provn it tenfold, but where does it lead to now? Lucas sais he wants to make smaller fil ms too--i dont think he can thought--too much hype and baggage.
-
It's just as much Spielberg's fault. He didn't do squat to coax even the barest minimum of a performance out of a flatlining Karen Allen. Marion's and Indy's relationship was supposed to be the heart of the fucking movie and it was Spielberg's job to make that work.
-
How is that even possible?
-
5 can be better though, just hurry up and get on with it already.
-
"What does it say about a story when the hero's entire participation in the outcome is completely negligible?" <P> i think this topic was discussed in some of the pre-IndyIV release Indy TBs and it was argued that Indy's involvement in Raiders is essentially negligible and Raiders is an incredibly great movie.
-
June 16, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST
maybe im just old, but i dont care anymore about these franchise
by BMacSmith
pretty much every 'franchise' (i hate that word) has been mined to death at this point. I dont care to see any more ALiens, Terminators, Indys, Bonds, Spidermans or any of that shit anymore. Their stories have already been told. There is nothing left to add at this point, at least nothing i really care about. They are glorified TV episodes now.<p> a few years ago i might have grumbled about some new sequel that sucked balls, but i would go watch it anyway. Now i dont even care to. As big a geek as i am, I dont plan on watching any of these sequels anymore. Not because of some righteous boycott, but because i just dont want to. I've seen all the amazing FX i care to. it doesnt sell me anymore. <p> is anyone else at this point yet?
-
It's not that bad. It was better than 80% of the rest of the mindless drivel we see in the action genre these days. It was a shit ton better than any of the Star Wars prequels
-
even though you are. now please answer my questions.
-
I've been constantly disappointed with movies lately, but the Indy series is my absolute favorite (obsessed). I hated Indy 4, but would KILL for a good Indy adventure with practical effects and a good story. So yeah I'm done with the current attempts at sequels, but I'm thrilled at the potential if that makes sense.
-
it wasnt as bad as Episode one or most of two, but it still was somewhere in the middle of those.
-
carry on
-
Marion and Williams BOTH being underwhelming were two of the most disappointing aspects of Indy IV to me. Things like these were more disappointing to me than the stuff most people griped about. <P> My hopes were low based on much of what I had seen, heard, and read going into the film. Even listening to Williams' score in advance of seeing the film, I was surprised how underwhelmed i was by it. But I started off fellingin similarly about Crusade's score when I first heard it, but it grew on me very quickly. KOTCS, on the other hand, still hasn't. <p> I really wanted Marion to still have someo fher firecracker spark in KOTCS. Instead we got a Marion who seemed tired and at best only mildly irritated that she was dragged into this "adventure" at all. <p> Short story, long: marion and Williams in Indy IV were disppointing.
-
I could maybe take another Indy, but i dont see how its gonna be any good. the stories could still have a lot of cool stuff, but Ford is too old, and Lucas and Spielburg have lost it for some reason. Im not holding my breath for any more good Jones movies. sucks
-
has always been a constant source of irritation. The best he can say about it is that he met his future wife on the film. I never heard Lucas apologising for Doom. And of course, Spielberg made Crusade as an over-reaction to the 'darkness' of Doom. He needs to be taking more cues from Doom, and less from Crusade - but because Crusade was the popular one at the time, he thinks that's what the audience wants.<p>Spielberg is a very self-conscious type of guy. If Doom had been rapturously received upon release, I doubt he would be saying those types of things about it. He certainly wanted respect and acceptance from the Academy as well - a touch too blatantly at times. I like his 'serious' films, but they have a touch of the earnest and 'worthiness' about them at times. IMPORTANT films about IMPORTANT issues - lest we the audience forget it. I mean, didn't he even say that audiences shouldn't take popcorn into screenings of Schindler's List, or something to that effect - I read that somewhere, although it's probably bullshit.
-
I'm MUCH more likely to wait until any number of the current franchise sequels hits DVD, than blow $40 (2 adult tickets + popcorn and drinks) and two hours in a theater .
-
Arguably that Indy was a soldier for the forces of good- like he was in LAST CRUSADE. Since these movies recognize the Judeo-Christian God, I'll put stock in the fact that God seeks a human to represent His will. Sure, the movie didn't bother getting into that stuff (thankfully), but from a storytelling/mythology standpoint, RAIDERS is a much more classically constructed work than SKULL, which was about a race to the end where there was no need for Indy to show up. Indy in RAIDERS delivered the Nazis to judgment. It was Indy that discovered the Ark, and it was Indy that understood what the Ark would do once the Nazis opened it up. So, no, I don't think they're the same story structure at all.
-
... if they relegate Mutt and Marion to simply doing a telephone cameo scene like Sgt. Al Powell in Die Hard 2. That way they can retain continuity but still keep the suck as far away from Indy as humanly possible. <p> Oh, and making a GOOD Indy movie might help, too.
-
June 16, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST
Subtitles_Off- please expand on the BATMAN BEGINS comment
by YackBacker
This I want to see.
-
One of the things that is great about Doom is that it felt completely fresh. It had a new local, characters and feeling to Raiders. Both Crusade and Skull felt like they were trying to copy Raiders too much. I still feel that Doom is Spielberg's best overall action film to date. Yes, the truck chase in Raiders is the best scene, but Doom is right up there with Cameron's films for pure action.
-
forgot how really dark it was. and it was awesome. for some reason i never noticed until yesterday just how incredibly stupid the cart chase was, and the ensuing flood (how did all that water come out of that tank and get past all those canyons of lava? hahah). still a close second to Raiders. <p>the girl isnt that annoying and Short ROund is great. "prepare to meet Kali -- in Hell!" is the best line of them all.
-
I think the key is actually expecting it to be good going in (ruling out like Batman & Robin or X-Men Last Stand)... 1) Alien 3 2) Phantom Menace 3) Indy 4 4) Matrix Reloaded 5) Godfather III
-
But he should be, like, vague and offscreen for most of it.
-
Makes as much sense as him playing an older Nick Stahl.
-
With all due respect, the movies also acknowledge spirituality of the Hindu persuasion. This aspect of Indy always appealed to me as it's very much a quintessentially American idea -- equal opportunity religion. Either all faiths are "true" or all false. <p> That having been said, Indy movies don't have to be defined by spiritual mcguffins. Indiana Jones is a classic American pulp hero, meaning he's just as comfortable fighting Nazis, Communists and Thuggees as he is battling aliens, ghosts, vampires, monsters and religious fanatics.
-
is a glass of warm milk, man. He's like a father to me.
-
What makes Indy and SW kid's movies? The numerous graphic deaths, severed limbs, melting nazis, forced organ removal, satanic worship, child labor, exploding planets, vaguely-masked sexual innuendo, a guy kissing his sister on the mouth, Yoda's somewhat Buddhist teachings, and the smoldering, highly visible remains of Luke's Aunt and Uncle who obviously died slowly and in terrible agony. It's practically the Teletubbies, for fuck's sake.
-
...is that it seems to be getting people to finally realize how fucking great Temple of Doom is.
-
All of 'em yapping at the end like that. Needs more grappling hook.
-
Definitely not the same kind of story structure. Just making the point that "playing a negligble role" doesn't make it crappy movie. I saw Indy IV once and that so far has been enough for me. It was actually worse than I expected and i didn't have high hopes for it. I really wanted to like it. <p> But then the paramount mountain dissolved into a friggin gopher hill for a CGI gopher. <p> I will point out, though, that without Indy, Toht would have surely taken the Headpiece from Marion, the Nazi's would never have been digging in the wrong place, and would have found the Ark and still likely have opened it to their own Doom. If anything, Indy's biggest "change" in Raiders is possibly preventing the death of marion ravenwood when Toht comes to take the headpiece.
-
I didn't say that the INDY series was devoted only to monotheism. My explanation was that they legitimize the Judeo-Christian God in two of its movies where God intervenes. That was my point, not that these films are dogmatic, Kirk Cameron Jesus-fests.
-
is some of the best action stuff Spielberg has ever done. If only Skull had anything on that level of balls-out adventure. Crusade's action scenes looked like they were shot by the 2nd unit (except for the tank battle). Skull had absolutely nothing even as good as that.
-
John Candy. Stripes. Watch it, muthfucker!
-
That part is true, unfortunately. Fuck sake, I miss the 80's and 90's. 2000's are fucking amateur. They don't know about working with fanboys, that's what that is...they wouldn't have done that otherwise!
-
to the wearhouse. One of the best final shots ever.
-
Really, it fucks KoCS in the face with extreme prejudice...
-
Who owns the Batmobile? Batman. Who employed the assistance of James Gordon to stop Ra's? Batman. Who discovered the Ra's overall plot and manufactured a cure? Bat-fucking-man, baby! <p>I'm a lawyer, so I'll put in logical terms- but for Batman's participation in these events, Ra's would have undoubtedly succeeded in killing millions of people. Batman was completely essential, even if he didn't push a button that he in fact ordered Gordon to do instead.
-
For liking any movie... then you are an idiot. For someone to be an idiot for liking a film, films would have to be... oh, I don't know... actually important... for starters... then they would have to require intelligence to enjoy... I haven't seen any film that was actually intelligent that wasn't a documentary... so, intelligence cannot be measured based on something like 'watching a film' which doesn't require any intelligence.
-
For some reason, people keep expecting these sequels to be as good as the originals from the 80's. I learned after Attack of the Clones, that all of the great filmakers from that era are past their prime, and we need to move on from these series. Raiders, Star Wars, Empire, Back to the Future, Superman, Terminator, Aliens, all great movies from that area, please retire these series so I don't have buy these expensive boxsets on BluRay when I just want the originals!
-
Why show the warehouse where the Ark is kept (Area 51)? That location should have been left a mystery. It's just like Lucas trying to connect all the dots in the Star Wars prequels - some things should be left to the imagination, a little bit of mystery. It completely ruins that fantastic last shot in Raiders.
-
Have Indy go back in time a few years and kill George Lucas before he thinks of the Crystal Skull idea.
-
The Ox carves a heartfelt "THANK YOU" on the wall of his Mexican sanitorium.
-
It's over, George. It was a good ride. Thanks for many great films in the past.
-
fuck that! the last hour of DOOm is pure awesomeness! when the thuggee gets strangled its nothing but great after.---the fucking bridge scene is the jam!
-
Remo Williams. Fred Ward! Let the adventure continue...
-
Because the series, like America itself, doesn't presume to dictate which religions are true or false. They're all given equal shakes. It would have been easy to avoid the idea altogether by thinking up scientific explanations for all the supernatural doings or only portraying one faith as "true" but the films don't do that.
-
That's beyond certified fresh into an overwheling majority of critics liked it. Once again proving a point: AICN talkback (and some of it's writers) are full of trendy dipwads.
-
Unthinkable, yes... but what if the young charismatic (albeit) annoying lead, is able to bring back some of the action and excitement that a real Indy movie is supposed to have?
-
Is it just me or does anyone else think he would be perfect for the role?
-
I love the Indy films for the mostpart. I DON'T love what George and Steven have become. I suppose HasBLO is going re-release the toys they cancelled? Indiana Jones and the Resurrection of the Money Machine, part 2, 5 years later. Sure, it'll work.
-
Hey, thanks. I think I'll go grow a soul patch, buy a Mac (you know, to show off in a coffee shop) and wear a mini-fedora.
-
You idiot! If, according to you, most people like Crystal Skullfuck, and we're "trendy", wouldn't we all pretend to like it too? Oy...
-
I love Fillion but that's a terrible idea.
-
"I have to go now. My planet needs me."
-
I'm not talking about Americans, but the core ideal itself.
-
sorry, just on a Stripes kick. Peace
-
The last hour of Doom may just be the best action climax ever. It is basically four set pieces back-to-back. Cameron usually ends his films with a triple climax. Doom has four. The Willie/lava scene into Mine fight into Cart chase into Bridge. Just tremendous.
-
Lucas and Spielberg duped me into buying tickets to see Indy 4 on opening weekend. That's the last time. Indiana Jones ended for me with everyone riding off into the sunset. I will never see a part 5. I didn't even buy part 4 on blu-ray... I don't care whatextras they stuck onto that disc, a shitty movie is a shitty movie... even more so in hi-def. They should have made Indy 4 10 years ago when Ford still looked good (during the time "Air Force One" came out). Shia as Indy can suck it.
-
June 16, 2009, 6:05 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Resurrection of the Money Machine, part 2,
by JediTray
Indy stands on his porch, gets his walker, and waves away the kids that are trying to fetch their ball. "Get off my lawn, you whippersnappers!" YAAAAAWWWNN....
-
so you know its good.
-
Yep, the bugs, the human sacrifice, it's all good. But it really kicks up a gear after Indy has been recued from the 'black sleep' of Kali Ma. <p>And who ever said Short Round was annoying? He's a great side-kick. Mola Ram is a top drawer villain as well - much better than that boring Donovan guy from Crusade. I say Doom is Ford's best performance as Indy. Much like Empire, he had just fully settled into the role by that time. A fucking badass. Ford was the coolest sonofabitch on earth between 77-85. Now he's just a boring old fart with a neck like a wrinkled scrotum, and an emaciated toothpick on his arm (really could do better).
-
YOU GUYS WANT IT TO HAPPEN!!!!!! YOU LOVE INDY - FUCKIN' HATERS THAT YOU ARE - YOU'D ALL PAY TO SEE ANOTHER.
-
i won't debate the semantics that in some ways, the colective opinions on things among the AICN Talkbackers can often mirror a "geek" trend, but when RT shows a 76% rating for something, that obviously spells the popular "trend" is is in favor of the film. let's also not forget that the "majority" opinion of AICN Talkbackers is not necessarily 1:1 with the majority opinion of all AICN site readers. There's alot of viewers who rarely, if ever post. The talkbackers are a cross-sample of mostly extreme view points, self-important self-loathing trolls who will do anything for attention, a few wannabe comedians, and a sprinkling of seeminbly level headed folk who are still put up with it all for some reason. The opinions of the TB posters does not necessarily equate to the majority opinion of all AICN readers. Only the most vocal/in need of attention post.
-
speaking of which, did DGDB get banned again? haven't seen his handle around lately.
-
Indy 4 is a billion times worse than Superman Returns. Anyone who tells you otherwise is smoking fucking crack.
-
<p>. . . 'cause he should be all grown up by now.</p> <p>I want royalties for this suggestion.</p>
-
And no rebuttal. Dumbasses who spit a good game but can't do the math when presented. Must be Obama fans. I was, but then again, lots of people liked Hitler's speaking too.
-
They BOTH suck influenza'd cow diarrhea a@$. The f*&k we gotta chose one over the other for?
-
I'll second that phrase's retirement to the Mom's Basement Wall of Shame. There's very little that will entice me into a theater these days, I probably see about 4-5 movies a year during their theatrical run. That's why I have cable; something like Transformers or The Spirit finally makes it to Starz or whatever, I'll check it out, and if it starts to stink like a dirty diaper, changing the channel is infinitely easier than walking out driving home and wasting $10. <p> The collapse of the traditional theatrical distribution business model can't come quickly enough, IMO. I'm hoping that this creative bankruptcy in the form of infinite sequels and reboots and hollow brand-name cash-grabs is just the first spasm of its inevitable death throes.
-
I agree with DocPaz that the only good thing about Indy 4 is more realization of how good Temple is in comparison. On the other hand it also aids Crusade's standing which i didn't like as much as Temple since it felt like a retread with Nazis again, glum score and drab locations. They already missed the chance for more good Indy in the freakin 90s, no clue why they waited since it would have been a perfect WWII flick there. Although they did wait a bit too long for a trilog, 81 to 84 then to 89. they could have squeezed in one between 84 and 89.
-
June 16, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST
Also, being a fan of anything George Lucas-related
by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester
is like being in an abusive relationship. "Oh, come back honey, I hadn't directed anything since 1977, I was just rusty, I learned my lesson...I'll put BOBA FETT in the next one! BOBA FETT!" "O...okay, Georgie!" "Except it'll be a ten-year-old girl!!!" WHAM! Right in the fucking face...
-
Indy 4 made a pile of money b/c in involved a beloved character everyone had missed for 20 years; not because it was a great film.
-
all films that have actually ruined their respective franchises for me. i cant even read a spider-man comic anymore without shedding a tear... Indy 4 is the same. It just let all the gas out of my zeppelin and fell to the earth with an embarrassing 'flomp.'
-
Nice to see. It shits all over Last Crusade. As others have said the last 40 minutes is mind-boggling. As a 10 year old it was just about the greatest thing i'd ever seen. The whole thing flows beautifully.
-
ready for it...... TIME TRAVELING NAZI'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-
Bring it on James Cameron.
-
Is Indy going back for the Ark. Plain and simple, oh and Mutt dies.
-
as I might have actually found some small pleasureable aspect of that to focus on and therefore make it bearable.</p><p> No...Lucas took my decades long enjoyment of a movie series, tied it to a CGI stake, kindled a fire with a horrible script, and burned it alive.</p><p> I said it once and I'll keep saying it... Lucas hasn't been worth a shit since Masha fucked him over and made him a bitter manchild who blames the people who made him, the fans, for the death of what he saw as his once in a lifetime marriage.</p><p> The man will NEVER make anything resembling a good film again.</p><p>Spielberg...I do not know what his excuse for this pile of shit was. Perhaps he simply can't be honest with his "friend", perhaps he has no balls, or maybe he just never really gave a flyhing fuck about doing another Indy and only did it to shut George the FUck Up. For whatever reason he is as much to blam as George for Indy 4, if he had just had the Balls to say, "George...this shit sucks" we might have gotten a decent film. Instead we get CGI monkeys, stilted acting and a script only George Lucas could love and a movie most don't want to see twice.</p><p>
-
While there is no doubt that Raiders and Doom are far superior to Skull and Crusade, I still am entertained by the latter. Especially in comparison to the truly god-awful Mummy movies.
-
Listen to the bile spewing loser bullsh-t in this place!! Listen to you. Like a bunch of loser sports bloggers who couldn't throw a baseball to save their lives. I know all of you aspire to it in this talkback, so why don't you get off your lazy clown asses and make a movie yourself? Try to write a screenplay start to finish, take the time to actually sell it. Achieve anything other than high score on some video game and adult onset diabetes from your couch dwelling, slurpee sucking "life." FAN BOY CLOWNS.
-
June 16, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST
I like Shia... maybe not for an Indy reboot, but in general
by ebonic_plague
Remember when he was just the kid from Project Greenlight? I dunno, there are actors out there that just inexplicably rub me the wrong way (foremost among them being that leering eyebrow midget Cruise... I have a zero-tolerance policy for him, so movies that I'd otherwise want to see, like Minority Report and Last Samurai, do not exist in my dojo) but the hate-boner this site fosters for Shia just confuses me. I thought he was practically the best part of Constantine, and stuff like Eagle Eye didn't make me hate him. Is it like Ben Affleck syndrome, where he's been co-opted by the US Weekly crowd and therefore is stripped of all geek cred? Is it because he's making blockbuster tentpoles and not doing the requisite indie stuff needed to balance out the heart-throb image? That seems more like a criticism for that Twilight kid, or Zac Efron. And if you hear any sort of interview with Shia, he seems pretty down to earth for being the latest "it" kid in Hollywood. It can't be just a bandwagon thing because DGDB has a talkback anti-crush on him, can it?
-
Batman single-handedly uncovering the plot. But that's ok, I'm fine with you being wrong about BATMAN BEGINS. That's just more BB for the rest of us!
-
My nuts are not numb! They are in fact humming. Not saying you have to be a screenwriter to have an opinion. More saying that the absolute virulence people (and I should say some, not all) shroud their opinions in on this subject, to me at least, requires a little putting your money where your mouth is, that's all.
-
how was that for incoherent nonsense?? They should hire me to write T5.
-
Lucas came up with the dumb alien crap, spielberg shot it down but lucas kept chipping away at him and we got indy 4 (which is ok imho, just needs no shia). My personal order for the films is 3, 1, 4, and 2 last. They need to recast mutt. Sean Connery begat Harrison Ford and ford with Marion begat....shia? Wow that sucks for Indy and Marion.
-
Batman determined the fear toxin was going to be used before Ra's told him all about it. The only thing Ra's revealed was that he was in fact Ra's. Liking (or disliking) BEGINS is irrelevant. You're not countering anything, you're just playing dodgeball. But I'm done with this talk, because I've made all of my points.
-
that in order to critique a Restaurant one must be a chef? Or to judge the quality of a car an automotive engineer?
-
ever
-
Seriously, I gave my one shot at even trying to get through to a thick headed fuck like you Subtitles. Hence me not trying anymore because I'm sure you're some lonely faggot who hasn't had a love life of any sort in years. And if you so much as come back to me with an excuse that you're married or some shit, then your wife or girlfriend has no standards. I wouldn't put up with a lazy fuck face who finds it necessary to cram his beliefs down peoples throats. People have their own opinions, stop trying to change them you soul soliciting pig fucker.
-
The basic plot for NATIONAL TREASURE (1) would have been perfect for Indy 4; being that we had never really seen him have an adventure in the U.S. NT had great ideas that could have really wowed in the hands of better directing.
-
Anyone in here read the Darabont draft of Indy 4? It had a couple of pretty awesome action scenes (an even better jungle chase than skulls for instance and dealt with the aliens in a better, more sinister way), but overall it was an absolute DISASTER. Lost a lot of respect for Darabont after reading it. I bet Lucas leaked it on purpose to show the fans who were complaining what Darabont actually came up with. The Koepp draft, while having its issues, was WAY better than Darabont's.
-
June 16, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and The Overreacting Fanboys of Self-Entitlement
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
WHAT was the big fucking deal with Crystal Skull? It was as good as any other Indiana Jones movie. It drew from old pulp stories like the old ones. Fuck the lot of you.
-
DJ Caruso will direct.
-
i know its a little jokey, but compared to films these days which are all punchline and soundbites..CRUSADE is a breath of fresh air. yeah the villian is pretty white bread, but elsa is pretty smoking as a bad girl.."she talks in her sleep" is probably one of the best side-lines ever. <P>it does suck that sallah and brody are doddering buffoons but i can live with that...the chemistry between sean and harrison makes it worthwhile.
-
Set the next movie back a few years. No Mutt. No Marion. Get Sean Connery for a scene or two.
-
Take the "Indiana Jones" name off the title of SKULL and you've got a flop.
-
I require nothing. Just that when a man has an opinion, he should be ready to back it up with more than a "they raped my childhood take", that's all.
-
with more fridges and some lens flare, bitches!! HAHA!!
-
June 16, 2009, 7:02 p.m. CST
"the minute everyone realized the franchise was more popular tha
by BigTuna
Anyone who's old enough to have been around in 1981 knows that's bullshit. Raiders made over 500 million adjusted to todays' box office numbers. Indy 4 got beaten by Iron Man and Dark Knight last summer.
-
I hope he focuses on that.
-
ford will be too fucking old...connery will be dead through hard living...he still has tin tin and lincoln and he WAS supposed to direct the chicago 7 film but that is now ben stiller's? WTF?
-
millions of people who have seen ALL the INDY movies in the cinema, and WE all loved INDY 4. If you ever try to "speak on my behalf" again I will find you.... you whore!!!
-
You're a funny cocksucker. And no, We Dont Like Sportz. You can continue your dumbass rant now.
-
Sober up, rewatch Raiders tonight, and tell me tomorrow that you weren't/aren't high as a fucking kite when you typed that statement my friend.
-
yeah let Darabont write the script for 5. Yeah, it was Darabont who put in alot of the fucked up tuff that was in the film TO BEGIN WITH. Nuke the fridge? Check. Saucer Men? Check. Unending references to the earlier films for no reason? Check. Ants? Check. Oh wait, Darabont did Koepp one better by having GIANT ANTS. UFOs in a battle at the end? Ch...wait a minute that wasn't in the film. Oh yeah, that was only in DARABONT's SCRIPT. Tossers
-
you do have to realize that there werent many BIG films in 1981 to compete with Raiders..you have to take that into account when yu compare 1981 to 2008, where you had 398 films in 3 months...all which had their release dates picked two years prior.<P><P>thats the movie world we live in.
-
Doom was beaten by Beverly Hills Cop and Ghostbusters and Crusade was bested by Batman. I don't think the ranking really comes into play.
-
nyone being candid enough in an interview is going to have a few crazy quotes cherry-picked to make them look good for tabloid fodder. Same with "drunken rages," give me or any of my good friends millions of dollars and a nation of girls swinging from their jock, Shia's little escapades would seem tame in comparison. <p> He's not to blame for the hype and the Spielburg coronation, either. Again, I have my own irrational hatreds, so I can't throw stones, but I don't see any evidence that there's a good reason to hate Shia, or put him in the same camp as Efron or that sparkly vampire kid. Hell, any one of the cast of Entourage (barring Piven) is infinitely more punchable than Shia.
-
Dark Knight would be better.
-
June 16, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST
That SUCKING sound is the air deflating from the franchise
by twogunjames
Because Indy 4 was the first in years, but indy 5 follows one of the worst sequels ever made, and I'm betting would not make a pile of money. Might even be the franshise killer.
-
Sound advice in any situation I'd say.
-
That is why Indy 5 can only be one of two things. <p> 1. A passing of the torch film where Harrison is even more of a bystander and Mutt takes the reins. <p> or <p> 2. A real quick film that is made after Spielberg is finished with the Mo-cap work for Tin-Tin. He can film Indy 5 while checking in with the effects work. He did something similar with Jurassic and Schindler's.
-
Didnt want to see the film, but had to find a decent film to take this girl to and it was the only thing showing. When we got in the theatre she told me she had never seen an Indy film before. The result? I hated it, she liked it, and I didnt get anything until our next date.
-
also kept shoe horning in the phrase "adventure still has a name." some russian guy kept saying it. Tons of stuff like that in there. At one point Indy gets eaten by a giant mutant snake as big as a tractor trailer. Then blows it up from the inside but somehow doesn't get blown up himself. It had a wedding scene with a drunken Henry Sr. singing and dancing on stage. And ended with Oxley using mental powers to make silverware dance. Literally. Even the Monkey King script was better than this one, and the monkey king script blew, l... monkey.
-
(expelted deleted) I called him/her a dumb cunt and whore!!! Learn to read, snowdrop!! but I believe the phrase you meant was (expletive deleted)!! but yes, I can speak for the many millions because I am one of them. AsimovLive is not one of anything...
-
In the opening bit. Indy finds something. In the middle of a big ass battle. Comes back into play as a clue years later.
-
Karen Allen was, I mean the worst thing after the horrid CGI, script, etc....</p><p> I swear to God every time she was on screen she had this look on her face that made me think she was about to break character, what little character Lucas wrote for her, and wave at the screen screaming..."I can't believe I'm back here..Thank you!"
-
and darabont has Indy get drunk and break into the college museum to steal the chachapoyan (sp?)idol!!!!
-
So we can never criticize the President, and unless we run for President. I guess many here will have to keep their mouths shut until they are 35 years old.
-
that's right. Darabont's draft was the geneis of alot of the CRAP that ended up in the finished film. You know, the film that talkbackers whine "they shoulda used Darabont's script! Whaah!" Haha! Unknowing douches! Oh, you forgot to mention that Darabont had ANOTHER waterfall drop in his script. God it was awful.
-
btw, just going to watch IE TO ME so I'll be back in 20 mins or so
-
yeah i like when he does that one two punch..but thats my point...i think the next one will be lincoln/interstellar...after tintin.<P><P>indy 5 should not be made quickly or without ford..if they pass the torch, then im sorry its not INDY 5. spielberg will be pulling a Terminator Salvation on his own fucking franchise--shit that might be worse than what McG did.
-
June 16, 2009, 7:23 p.m. CST
You all are just trying to recreate Phantom Menance all over aga
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
It wouldn't matter if Crystal Skull had come out and blown Citizen Kane out of the water, every body would still be going on about this rape bullshit business because that's "just what you do now" when for Lucas movies when your a nerd fanboy
-
...for One Crazy Summer. <p> And that explanation works for me, Sub. If Shia turns "nonononono!" into his version of "Aw HELL naw!" he'll warrant a first-class seat on the next rocketship to be shot into the sun.
-
hes gonna show the first part of Raiders--gonnad bring back Alfred molina, Paul Freeman, and Harrison Ford and film the beginning of the South American part of Raiders..Yay?
-
Covered this like 30 posts ago!! Keep up! I'm saying that when a person (not everyone in here mind you) hits with ridiculous overblown drama queen whiny expletive filled bile, they should be ready to explain their bonafides. That's all.
-
June 16, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST
AsimovLives - I didn't call you hypocrite, I called you
by FamousEccles
a cunt. seriously, I didn't.
-
AsimovLives mistook himself for me!! btw, "can only legitimately speak for ONE" makes it quite clear you don't know why I'm the FamousEccles :)
-
don't be baggin' on an old Indy...I'd rather see him than Shia starring in the blasted thing. And no Raiders reboot -ugh. Bad idea. You want more Indy in '30s, 40s? wait another decade and then Harrison can do flashbacks to bookend..
-
Yeah...Harrison's age is the real problem. There is no doubt it contributed to Indy's passivity in Skull. I just can't see a third alternative. Unless...Spielberg goes the mo-cap route with Indy 5. The horror. The horror.
-
the Indy movie was good the Batman movie sucked cock.
-
all of us older-than-40 and above coots can kick your wussy asses. anytime children, anytime...
-
But if they fuck this one up, may the devil eat their souls.
-
June 16, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST
Subtitles_Off, I thanked you for pointing out the truth
by FamousEccles
and quit with the american arrogance, please. aicn is retricted by national borders and oceans
-
fuck that...had Indy 4 been anything other than a cashgrab, we wouldnt be Tbing right now...but thats what it was..a bone to throw to the collective masses who kept whining about another Indy 4...Lucas and Spielberg both probably got sick of fielding those questions in EVERY FUCKING INTERVIEW! <P>we are to blame...we tolerate this mediocre shit. how many Tbs are there saying BRING ON GHOSTBUSTERS 3 or YAY ALIEN REBOOT or PREDATORS!!!! FUCK YEAH! or GIVE THE FUTURE FUCKING WAR!!! and when they come out, they ALWAYS fail to satisfy EVERY SINGLE TIME. <P>i admit i was entertained when i saw Indy on the big screen after 20 years, but was it the same as before? not even close. i had smiles, just by seeing an imitation (a top grade imition, but one nonetheless) of a beloved classic coasting on nostalgia alone. had this been a stand-alone film or the first of its kind--the would be in the depths of the MUMMY..<P><P>accept nothing less than quality in films like these or they will continue to make the mediocrity they thrived at. <P>we. are. to. blame.
-
It's obvious that it was his arrogance and absolute love of corn that created that last horrible mess. Word I heard is that he pressured Spielberg into making such a CG corny mess where Steven had otherwise wanted to do it all old school. Such a shame Lucas won out.
-
Seriously, fuck you. Especially when we're talking the first two Indy movies. Yeah, exploding heads and disembodied bloody hearts are real kids stuff.<br> My offer still stands. Find me some PERIOD articles in which those films are referred to as "kids' movies", esp. Lucas or Spielberg saying that. You won't find any.
-
I will see whatever they choose to do for Indy V
-
as always
-
Danny's still around he has not been banned.
-
Cut out most of the CGI garbage and use practical stunts. At the very least it will look better.
-
Relax. Lucas said Indy is Ford no way will it be anything other than the Indy we know & love. Spielberg will direct , Ford will star & Lucas will exec Produce and contribute the macguffin. You know ILM will do all the VFX & John Williams the music, Ben Burtt the sound FX with Michael Kahn doing the editing. Storywise most likely it will be David Koepp again for the final screenplay. Indy4 was great haters can go back to watching such masterpieces as Star Trek 2009..............
-
June 16, 2009, 7:53 p.m. CST
New Indy story that could reboot the franchise, Star Trek style.
by dailysportspages
Indy-Ford finds evidence of ongoing Nazi activity. <br> He is now more of a mentor to Mutt and has completely retired from adventuring.<br><br> The fleeing Nazis had built a secret citadel in order to continue their struggle to bring out a New World Order... and Indy finds out Mutt was investegating this before he went missing.<br> The citadel was used to further the scientific and occultists ideas of the Nazis.<br> Mainly to bring to life the theory that the master race was indeed descendant from Atlantis. <br> The process of purification of the species was believed to bring forth the god like powers that the Atlanteans are believed to have had. <br> <br> Indy with follows the clues from Tibet to the Andes and finally to the Arctic in order to find Mutt and foil the Nazi's plans. <br> The Nazi' SS is alive and well and are conducting all sorts of advanced experiments concerning time travel, cloning, and eugenics. <br>One of which being the restoration of Adolph Hitler's remains into living breathing flesh.<br><br> Indy rescues Mutt but is then captured himself. It seems that Mutt being captured was the bait to bring Indy into their lab.<br> Indy is used in the experiment to bring back Hitler, Mutt is able to repay the favor and comes in to save Indy before its too late.<br><br> The experiment forms of time space psychic link between the current Indy and Hitler from the past.<br> During the experimentation process we can see Indy start to age backwards as past events in his life flash before his eyes.<br> Mutt is able to rescue him, but not till the damage has mostly been done.<br> Indy has now shed half his age and Hitler has been brought back to the life as a powerful super soldier. <br><br> Now the 35 year old Indy + Mutt have to battle against super soldier Hitler.<br> Indy is not able to defeat Hitler, who kills Mutt and enters a chamber that the Nazis had been preparing for his return to the mid 1940's in order to fix the mistakes that caused the Nazi's to lose WW2.<br> The building is rigged to explode and Indy has to make a choice of following Hitler into the time travel chamber, risking that it being a failure that kills him... or dying in the subsequent explosion within the Nazi compound. <br><br> Indy choses to follow Hitler in order to stop him from bringing forth the Third Reich. <br> The movie ends with Indy appearing inside a Nazi held castle... with 2 rifles pointed at his head, as he gives a sly wink to the camera.<br><br><br> That leads into a new Indy series with whatever actor they find that best has that "Indy" quality to him. Obviously the guy that gets the part is the same guy that becomes the de-aged Indy during Indy 5.<br> Guys like... Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, James Caviezel, Nathan Fillion, Jon Hamm, Josh Holloway, or some complete unknown that is a mirror image of Ford, like with Superman Returns. <br> You can have Indy in the 40's, trying to stop a super soldier Hitler and Third Reich, while having those great adventures with the Nazi's that we all want to see.
-
A smaller story maybe, like Temple of Doom, where Indy actually affects the outcome of the story and saves the day in the end. Make it a prequel (Shia never actually says he's IN the next movie).
-
I liked it more than most here, but even I can't call it "great."
-
let a new director helm. Spielberg can produce, if he behaves. Shut out Lucas completely.
-
AND THEN INDY GOES IN SEARCH OF THE MAGIC TIBETIAN TEABAG IDOL AND ALONG THE WAY GETS ASS HAMMERED BY A GROUP OF HOT HOT HOT SS NAZIS IN DELICIOUS LEATHER.
-
Which means he'll either: definitely do another one, or definitely not do another one. It allows for both possibilities.
-
KOTCS and the Star Wars prequels, it would be for making Temple of Doom, The Last Crusade and Return of the Jedi (which I personally think are all good films) look greater.
-
June 16, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST
Ahmenidijad denies the Holocaust because of you Shia.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Fuck off with this bullshit.
-
Hahaha
-
TRYING TO REMEMBER IF HE SHOULD DRESS TO THE LEFT OR DRESS TO THE RIGHT IN ORDER TO PICK UP SOME ROUGH TRADE. I'D PAY TO SEE THAT FOR SURE.
-
OI VEI
-
Then again I always like prairie dogs, unless they start digging under the foundation. Then it's hunting time.
-
..MAKE IT'S WAY INTO THE NEXT ONE? I'D LOVE TO SEE HER GET SKULL FUCKED. LITERALLY. KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL FUCK.
-
<p>but I liked Indy 4. I didn't love it and I think the originals are better but I enjoyed the movie. It was primarily driven by nostalgia and I recognize that. Were the stunts over the top given Indy's age? Yes. Was the clearly Lucas inspired drivel like CGI gophers, the concept of Indy having a son, the swinging from the vines with the monkeys, etc. all annoying? Yes. Was including aliens out of left field for an Indy movie? Sort of, but to be fair, I buy the alien elements of the 4th about as much as I buy the paranormal elements of the other films</p> <p>The bottom line is given it's flaws, I still was able to look past all of that and had, for the most part, that same feeling I had when I watched the third film in the theater as a kid (I was too young to see the original or the second in theaters but I caught them on VHS).</p> <p>The same couldn't be said for the first Star Wars prequel. It was total garbage and the nostalgia was gone and the good will was all used about about 5 minutes after Jar Jar appeared on screen.</p>
-
You knew it was coming bitches.
-
I don't mind Shia - I actually think he's a good actor. He wasn't the problem with last Jones movie. The problem with the last movie is that it seriously sucked. Raiders is a masterpiece, and the sequels are popcorn follow-ups. Skull was complete crap - it really was. Granted, it grossed huge amounts of money, but was there anything really memorable about it aside from what folks hate (like the stupid fridge sequence)? NO. If #5 was even slightly better - go for it. Don't leave Indy with such a crap final closing chapter.
-
is if they show us how Indy lost his eye. As for all the shock and disgust... eh. We all paid for this sequel. Last Crusade was a perfectly good place to end the series, and most of us (myself included) wanted more. It wasn't like the trailer didn't give hints that there wouldn't be trouble ahead. People that followed the news knew even better (but still went). For most of us, lets face it, as high and mighty as we might be about it after the fact... most of us knew we were going to see a disappointing to terrible movie with Crystal Skull and yet we filled the seats and filled their pockets. So no, I'm not going to go ape shit about this. It's the price we paid if it happens. The question is, will we pay them to frustrate to flat out piss us off again?
-
You know that if they released a movie that was just two hours of Matthew McCounaghey talkin' all southern-drawly with his shirt off, you'd wait in line for two days to give Lucas your money.
-
June 16, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST
ever notice that Indy never aquires what he sets out for?
by Six Demon Bag
ark-nope. sankara stones-negative. holy grail--not this time. crystal skull--flew away. hes a pretty shitty archaeologist if thats the case.
-
June 16, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST
SPIELBERG....STICK TO PRODUCING TRANSFORMERS MOVIES.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Please do not ever direct a feature film again. You have absolute fucking lost it and you have nothing left to say. <p>Oh yeah-- and take that mocap Tintin bullshit and stuff it up your fucking ass, via satellite. <p>Dumb fuck.
-
lucas has "erased" those to where they dont exist. when he revised the series into tv films on dvd and vhs, he took the bookends out, hence no old indy.
-
Well, he did get the Cross of Coronado in Crusade.
-
June 16, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST
Lucas kept the episode with Harrison playing Old Indy....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
-
MUNICH kicked ass..except for the preachy ending. jew assassins killing naked woman. Your Bale would be pleased
-
the one that looked like John Ford
-
but at what cost man? at what cost?<P><P>was that dramatic enough?
-
Shia felt like the only person really working in that film. Harrison felt more like the Harrison I grew up with and love than he has years, granted. I felt like he cared again. But Shia was really working his ass off to make Mutt interesting when on paper he shouldn't be the least bit. He's got the job nobody should want, the one fans were going to hate him for, and he stepped up to that. So yeah, I'm not crazy about Mutt, but I'd never blame Crystal's problems on him.
-
You knew it was going to suck the minute they said Sallah was not in it. It got worse when Spielberg said "this is for the fans" which as we all know is the fucking kiss of death.</p><p> Lucas and Spielberg should be kidnapped and locked up for a year, without contact with the cadre of sycophants that surround them both, and with only Raiders and Empire to watch.</p><p>TOugh Love baby...it is time for an intervention.
-
Set Mutt in the present day and have him played by Harrison Ford!
-
Indy not getting the artifact is part of the series' charm. They are truly MacGuffins. It is all about the adventure. Not fortune and glory.
-
When did Spielberg lose it? Just curious.
-
June 16, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST
You're right Harrison was middle aged Indy.....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...in that episode. <p>THIS is OLD ASS INDY.<p>http://tinyurl.com/lqrnkl<p>And it is a damn shame he was cut. I do like the feature length versions...I just think both should be available on separate dvd sets.
-
Yeah... but I didn't grow up with a CGI E.T. where everyone carries walkie talkies instead of guns. My Indiana had one-eye in his old age, so to hell with what Lucas does now if he can't accept that.
-
....in between jerking off to the mocap technology on Monster House, and visiting the set of Transformers.
-
or... [Ford clutches his chest and dies]
-
??????????
-
I seem to remember a lot of hating on Temple of Doom before this last one came out. SO which one do you all feel is worse?
-
...Superman Returns is Citizen-fucking-Kane compared to Indy 4. The screenplay was better. The action was better. The FX were better. The acting was better. Virtually everything about Superman Returns was better than Indy 4.
-
I had a mad urge for a Tayto sandwich, and that can't be rushed. firstly, you say "international community" like the US isn't a part off (on this we agree). secondly, I was merely pointing out the fact that your american arrogance made you constantly use american terminology assuming everyone here is a yank.
-
It feels like we've seen the same thing a thousand times. The payoff with the fat lady story is pointless, the climax is cheap, the kids are annoying. If it was claymation, directed by Burton, score by Elfman...maybe it would have been memorable. <p>
-
1. Raiders 2. Crusade 3. Temple 4. Crystal. That said, I actually feel Crusade and Temple are disputable. I honestly enjoy Temple more (other than the female interest... god she was terrible) and watch it more often, where The Last Crusade feels like it tried to be Raiders all over again do to the backlash at Temple. The father/son angle was interesting and River as young Indie has nostalgia value for sure, but its just has moments the feel like they lag too much and I've always love Indie best in the jungle. But generally Crusade is a better crafted film, and Crystal is so ADHD that you can't help but miss those lags in comparison.
-
I know that in most people's eyes it's the "Phantom Menace" of this decade, but I really enjoyed it and it really felt like a natural extension of the original trilogy.<p> And this is coming from a guy that wanted to be an archeologist as a kid, only because of Indiana Jones.
-
sounds like boredom. guys who here wants a movie about interstellar travel? AVATAR as an inspired idea is far better and i hate AVATAR.
-
Thats what you guys WANTED right? Now that it may be happening, why complain?<BR> Personally I dont see a need for an apology for anything. Its a MOVIE. And in this case, its a for-fun, popcorn, bring the family and be happy movie. If you didnt like it, than fine.
-
June 16, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST
I just googled Interstellar - WTF?? how will that be an interest
by FamousEccles
-
June 16, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST
Shia is forcefed on public the same as Colin Farrell was
by toadkillerdog
You can not manufacture a star anymore. Shia has talent and some appeal - to God knows who, but someone must like him. But he is not someone I would pay to see just because he is in a movie. Same with Farrell. Ten years ago he was in every damn movie paired with every legit star. Is Farrel a household bankable name now? No. He is a decent actor and I do not cringe anymore when his name is mentioned, but he can not open a big movie by himself, and that has made him a better and more palatable actor. Maybe Shia will get there in ten years.
-
Imagine knowing how to speak French (or not, if you already do), and you happen one day to make a stranger's acquaintance who introduces himself as "LaBeouf."<P>You wouldn't take him seriously no matter what he said, even if it were, "Oxygen is good." Would you?<P>And since, as AICN users of TB, we all know what it means, why should we take value in anything written about what he's said?
-
June 16, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST
AsimovLives you don't know what the hell you're talking about
by slone13
Last Crusade made $474 million. Burton's Batman made $411.
-
<p>Why not try coming up with an original fucking hero for a change instead of going back to the well for the fifth time? With all the unique ideas in the world, they have to go back to Indy yet again?! Come on, Spielberg and Lucas. As Jones Sr. said, "Let it go." Come up with a new universe, a new group of characters, a new story, a new plot. Make another series as good as Indy and stop beating a dead horse into bloody mush.</p> <p>Must every beloved film franchise get a heaping helping of ass rape? Star Wars, Terminator, Alien, Predator, Robocop. Will it ever end? What am I talking about? This is Hollywood, the place where originality is more taboo than incest.</p>
-
You can't get fooled again." I wouldn't pay a fucking nickel to see Indy 5.
-
I'll read your comeback tomorrow - it's 3am here and I should not have had that Tayto sandwich so late - I think it stuck
-
June 16, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST
Jack Shepherd, you don't know what the hell you're talking about
by slone13
Superman Returns was easily one of the most boring movies I've seen in years. Virtually unwatchable.
-
Although Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade made the most money worldwide in 1989,[45] Batman was able to beat The Last Crusade in North America,[46] and made a further $150 million in home video sales
-
for the double assassination of his wife and son by Nazis in hiding.
-
I suppose this is where I'm supposed to go "Oh wait, I'm arguing with DICKBLOOD... nevermind" but I'll let this roll a bit more. Formulaic it is, but that in itself is a problematic excuse. Most movies are formulaic, it's sorta how genre film works. Let the Right One In can be easily argued to be formulaic, so unless you are going to go on about how that is a terrible movie, then we need to get a bit more into what is problematic about formula. Predictability is certainly problematic in suspense films, but less so in tragedy (where the plot was traditionally told by the chorus before the play started). In the latter, it wasn't about the machine of the plot, but the nature of how it unrolls. I liked Monster House because I thought the coming of age formula was done entertainingly. It's been a long time since we had a film remotely like Sandlot or Stand By Me that tried to make kids interesting, and frankly, I wish there were more films out there like The Burbs and Goonies, and even Monster Squad. So I'll grant you, it is not groundbreaking new territory that Monster House was trekking with having a suburban adventure with kids that acted a bit more adult (or had adult elements in their humor and themes), but I'll take it any day over the overly sanitized and much more formulaic adventures of most kids adventure films of late. The film did seduce me a bit with nostalgia but I'd hardly call it shit.
-
on wiki..astonishing..it is rare now that a film can hol two weeks...10 years ago, 20 years ago...they were holding months! i think that shows what the studios are thinking when it comes to making films...they are only concerned about one weekend.
-
didn't you give out earlier, because I claimed I could speak for millions, but you said I could "only legitamately speak for ONE "? but now you can speak for everyone, because "no one can understand (me). Ever." HAH!!!
-
i dont have it in me...it did far better than the last two..period. sue singer for trying to bring some drama and plot to a comic book fight. what did you want, just straight up action for 2 hours?
-
There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once -- shame on -- shame on you. You fool me, you can't get fooled again.
-
So you want David Fincher to direct? ;)
-
Who cares? That's history.<P>Didn't you hear there's a new jester in town?
-
1.Raiders opening- if only the rest of the movie took place in the Amazon instead of Egypt <p> 2.Temple bridge scene- This scene is the high watermark of the entire action packed 3rd act. you are THERE with him on that bridge. <p> 3.Temple opening
-
That might actually be interesting.
-
It is a different time now. With DVDs, video games and the internet, there are far more entertainment venues. This is why attendance figures always drop. <p> Say what you will about Titanic, but it was number one for 15 weeks. We will never see that again.
-
June 16, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST
Subtitles_Off, really got to go this time. I'm guess that
by FamousEccles
there'll be to many posts to get by the time I check back, so please just start all resposes to me with FamousEccles - and I can find them that way.
-
along with TDK. iron man is second
-
Here is that audio (you have to hear it in context), plus many more gems:<p>http://tinyurl.com/n48wat
-
Truth be told, I actually like Alien 3 quite a bit despite its flaws.
-
June 16, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST
Neosamurai85 -- okay every film is formulaic.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
The concept of a narrative feature film in itself has become formulaic. That doesn't change the fact that Monster House was a bore, and the animation itself was poorly designed. The climax with the tractor and shit was fucking horrid. I didn't give a shit about a single character in it. The only character I was mildly amused by was that dude banging the babysitter. <P>Respect for mentioning The Burbs. That film doesn't get enough love. And the fucking end credits are more enjoyable than that soulless shit Monster House.
-
The realistic saying would be, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times, shame on me, fool me again, shame on me, fool me once more shame on... shame on... can't get fooled again!
-
You have to put the truck chase from Raiders above the Club Obi-Wan scene. Though that scene is great.
-
You pretentious cunt. <p>"I'LL LET THIS ROLL A BIT MORE" <P>As if you're doing me a favor by acknowledging me.... <P>Fucking prick.
-
Indy 4 reminded me very much of certain dreams I have occasionally. Like, in some, I'm hanging out with the Beatles, but none of them speak. OR, I'm rummaging through a basement comic shop and I find all these sweet silver/gold age ishes dirt cheap, buy them, and then wake up empty handed. Indy 4 left me with the same strange, disconnected feeling as those dreams, as if I was around something that should have been great but afterwards looked back found the experience lacking in some indefinable way. I'm sure there are plenty here who could define it, but it was like "There's Indy.." and "there's some Nazi's" and "Shitfire! It's Marion!" but then afterwards it was like I wish they hadn't gone there. Think about how long ago Indy 1 was, and that fucking film was perfect in every definable way, but shit that was a lot of years ago. Indy isn't like fucking Columbo, he's not a character you can dust off and put on and deliver a line and scratch your glass eyeball and pull it off. Indy is one of the most action-packed, dynamic characters ever put to film, you can NOT have him wandering around looking old....EVER.
-
June 16, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST
Subtitles_Off, Tayto isn't an ethnic thing at all and they are
by FamousEccles
in the US. in fact they're international.
-
good grief, it's late!! cheers!!
-
I mean Superman Returns is at 77%. So come on.
-
yeah i'd probably switch it with the Truck scene, but those top 2 are leagues above anything else for me. shorty, chao chi latsu sansa! he was good, he was very very good.
-
Aw, I'm just fucking with you man. :)
-
ewwww ur gay.
-
ive been reading transformers 2 reviews from the UK. It sounds like the transformer action scenes are clearer , and the transformers are in it alot more-which is good
-
Superman Returns being unwatchable even though it does indeed drag in spots. I really don't believe Singer has made an unwatchable film thus far, but opinions are like assholes...now Rob Zombie on the other hand excels at it. I've yet to make it through one of his films.
-
I kinda like that this guy isn't coming after me at all, or even acknowledging me. he just made the name, now he's a typical talkbacker.<p> except he never writes more than like 3 words...<p>why can't I have a fun stalker/hater?!
-
I'm entering the next phase of wanting my own stalkers too, perhaps i will up the ante on my assholishness! HEIL HITLER!
-
93% on Rotten Tomatoes. Ridiculous.
-
I've never really gotten what people see in it. Or rather, why people see its freshness meter is such a strong weapon to whip out in arguing if something was good. Sure, it looks at the percentage positive and negative reviews from a diverse collection of critics, but beyond the concept it really isn't that appealing. The percentage is still of however many reviews there are among members for a film, so it's meaningless without the number cited as well (8 out of 8 people finding a film rotten doesn't tell me much). Many rotten reviews if actually read say several positive things and many fresh reviews actually turn out to be quite negative. What is actually being said matters a lot too, but is overlooked by that percent. How much does it matter that a reviewer who hates horror films in general didn't like The Descent? How much does it matter (to you personally) if a reviewer who has loved all the Saw films praises Wolf Creek? Beyond that, some of the reviews are just not really well written, but none of that is addressed if someone just points out in an argument that so and so got 94% fresh rating or a 40% rotten.
-
and I see SheRa LeBoof movies if and when there is nothing else on TV<p> Never at the theatre and never a rental
-
Got them from Boxofficemojo.com. Nothing way off about them at all. I'd say pretty nigh accurate.
-
every time i get a beer i chuckle. Whenever my friends see it they laugh their asses off.
-
played by shia la boof
-
u do a service to ur name sir
-
fine as in "yeah, he's ok, he's fine", or fine like in a fine wine, subtle and complex? Or like talcum powder perhaps? <P> Anyway, hopefully the former, 'cause he's just a lucky kid that got into some big films IMO. He's no box office draw-card let alone leading man.
-
...so I'm not holding out hope for this one.
-
To me it just seems that he is playing the same character over and over in all his movies. The guy seems to have no great acting skills. So far I haven't been impressed. Still, I can't fault him for the roles he is getting currently. Wish though that he would take on something different in his career and challenge himself. I actually want him to prove me wrong.
-
for playing a retard. oh wait he already played one!
-
June 16, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST
Oh for Fuck's Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
What else is there to say?
-
we're gonna trust shia's judgment that this is "cracked?"
-
You all know what I mean..
-
is on screen. I could never imagine anyone who could, but it's true they do exist. can not do it, especially an indiana jones movie. i jsut can't like shia as a charactor in my movies. plus indy should have had a daughter, it would be more like a slap in the face joke because of his womanizing ways.
-
man i slept through it TWICE! but i stay awake during threesomes though
-
man that felt good.
-
I joked to myself, "At the rate he's going, Lucas will do an Indy prequel." A second later, I realized he already had. Man, the reservoir of ideas is just FLOWING out of this guy, ain't it? I will never again spend a dime on anything Lucas puts his name to.
-
An incredible disappointment. Maybe a fifth one could make up for it. Don't really want Shia as the new Mr. Jones. Nothing against him, he's a fine actor, just prefer someone more fitting ala Matthew McConaughey or Dennis Quaid.
-
No one wants to watch Shia.
-
actually many pple will. around the world too. indy is extremely marketable
-
if he decides to make another shitty Indy movie. That last film was god fucking awful. Let it fucking die already.
-
Let it die. For godsakes, don't let Shia continue this franchise.
-
are two of the same now.<p> "Daniel Jackson And The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull" <p> sounds good to me.
-
Tartakovsky style?
-
June 16, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST
What about the time travelling super soldier Hitler Indy5?
by dailysportspages
Cmon, you know you want it!
-
Spielberg was responsible for the following (some of it he insisted on!): <p> Tarzan Mutt & the Monkeys <p> The Waterfall sequence <p> Shia as Mutt <p> Indy in the Fridge <p> Marion's return <p> So before you all go taking Lucas down please try & remember that SS was actually responsible for most of what the haters focus on. <p> Lucas was mainly responsible for the inter-dimensional beings angle & the sci-fi aspects. <p> Indy 4 made far more money outside the US than TDK did so he is still more popular overseas than in US which is ironic as Indy is an american icon but there you go international audiences are less picky & more grateful that Lucas, Spielberg & Ford would revisit the series even if they get unfair treatment from the fans. <p> The global marketplace nowadays is much bigger & far more important than the US which is why we get little movies like Transformers2 this friday whereas you whiny little biatches get it sometime next week. <p> Maybe Iny5 can go straight to Bluray + DVD in the US as a lot of people seem to hate it so much then you cannot complain about it can you......
-
the only way to watch crystal skull is the Rifftrax way. The acting was horrid, the script awful, and the cgi sub-par and overused. "the way you roll those wubau's i'd say.." oh please, crystal skull was terrible on all fronts, whether as an Indy film or film in general, it was terrible.
-
after seeing Terminator Salvation i arrived to that conclusion
-
I could list many reasons why, but you won't listen anyway. So I just thought I'd put it out there. You are incorrect. Sucks to be you.
-
I could list many reasons why, but you won't listen anyway. So I just thought I'd put it out there. You are incorrect. Sucks to be you.
-
..I beg to differ,it was simply unnecessary. I took my son and he'd seen Indy 1 on DVD (gotta get a copy of that by the way), and he liked it all right, though he didn't want to go out and master a whip the way i did when i was a kid and saw the original. There are far worse ways to spend a saturday matinee (IMAX "Under the Sea" I'm looking at you).
-
Its proven out so far that the odd numbers are the better films and better to go out on a critical and financial winner. Indiana Jones vs the Boy from Brazil, DAMMIT! I want NAZIS!!!
-
I think what I disliked most about Crystal Skull--beside the by-the-numbers last act--was that it should have been made in the early 90s and retained the WWII setting. I disliked seeing Indy removed from his proper setting and deposited in the LATE 50s of all places. He belongs in the world of the Bogart movies, not the Last Summer of Innocence. I liked that they played up the Grease aspect and red menace, but they put the movie at the end of the fucking 50s! That just leaves the 60s, and they SUCK for this kind of adventure unless we're talking James Bond. Who wants to watch Indy in James Bond's setting? I want him back in Casablanca territory, dammit!
-
Let me just say I actually enjoyed the movie. Certainly, the weakest of the 4, but the guy who made the first 3 isn't the guy we have now. He's older and his style changed. And the story had its share of problems and lax spots, particularly in the middle. But my big beef was the cinematography. It just didn't LOOK like an Indiana Jones movie (the CGI didn't help). Now, we can't get Douglas Slocombe back to do his old fashioned, high contrast shadows and bright day vistas, but Kaminski is just the wrong guy for the job. His soft, muted lighting worked in SCHINDLER'S LIST, A.I., and RYAN, but I really Spielberg's been too slavishly devoted to him, to the point where he doesn't seem to care if the guy is just the wrong person to shoot a certain story. Until they address the idea of what the movie looks like, and get it back to its old fashioned look, then I'd say they shouldn't bother.
-
everything<p> He's the most drab, bland, colorless actor I can remember.<br> When he's on screen I just fade out, start thinking about anything but the movie.<p> And if I'm not going to watch the movie, why should I pay to see it?<p> So I don't go<p> I do my taxes or something more engaging
-
That never gets old.
-
It's true Spielberg insisted on Shia as Mutt, but Lucas was the one who wrote Mutt in to begin with. Not to mention made him such an unlikeable character. The other stuff I really have no issue with. Nuking the fridge, the waterfall sequence, etc. all fit with the franchise.
-
June 16, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST
Never thought for a fucking second I'd say..
by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer
PLEASE NO MORE INDIANA JONES MOVIES..PLEASE GOD...
-
If you can't sport a Selleck, then keep it clean boys, that's the lesson right there. Redmond makes a great point about cinaphotography these days, and I've posted at length about the death of great authentic movie visuals. The brain does NOT buy digital fackery, it's decent eye candy, but your brain knows and the doubt ruins ones ability to suspend disbelief. Hell I've seen matte work on old Star Trek's that I bought into more easily than some of the ILM stuff I see around. And on that note, for the love of god George, if you're not paying a live actor at least populate all these awesome cg cities and vistas with some bodies. GOD I'm sick of watching the central character and one other character walk through a building with empty hallways and huge tall ceilings and ultra-wide walkways with not a single soul wandering around in any of them. Have you ever even BEEN to New York City? You are NEVER alone in that fucking place, EVER. Big empty cathedrals George, EMPTY.
-
Does that mean they cant make another cool Indy flick at least on the order of the classic supernatural formula and as good as temple of doom or last crusade (cant see anything nearly as good as raiders ever get made Ill admit...). If so then why not let them make another one?
-
I haven't played a game this cool in a while.
-
... Indiana Jones and the Awkwardly Open Bath Rob, Indiana Jones and the Bingo Night Brawl, Indiana Jones and the Chemically Induced Coma, and the Long Ass Line at Wallgreens, and anterior grade memory loss. You guys are better at this than me.
-
Indiana Jones was flawed from the beginning, but it still became a classic because it was fresh and exciting- a type of movie we hadn't seen before in such a magnitude. But by the time "Indy Aliens" was released it had too much to compete with, and the typical bland story couldn't sustain it. If "Indy Aliens" was relased in 1985 we would all remember it as a classic, exactly like we remember the others. But "Indy Aliens" was forced to compete with modern day films, and that was the death of it. This is why the Star Wars prequels failed miserably... Lucas and Spielberg aren't great writers/directors, they just happened to capitalize on the times they lived in. But now their reign is over. It's time to let them retire and move on to bigger and better things. "Indy X 2000 revolution next generation resurrection" will fail because audiences expect more today than they did 20 years ago.
-
How exactly was Indiana Jones flawed from the beginning?
-
June 17, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST
Correcting the oversight: BRING BACK SHORT ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!
by GibsonUSA Returns
That was one of the first questions for the movie..."Is Short Round gonna be in it?"....and he wasnt!!<BR><BR> Huge miscalculation. Everyone wanted Short Round.
-
The guy really gets a bum rap. He has the luck of working with Mikey Bay (damn him) and CGI Lucas since those fucks have no respect for the audience, he gets the heat because he is in front of the camera. <P> Everything that was wrong with Indy 4 smacks of Lucas, snarky humor, bad dialog, overblown action, CGI for no reason excpet to show off his effects house and the zen like no-violence of Indy...lets not forget Indy brings a gun to a sword fight. <P> Spielberg allowed Lucas to turn a beloved charactor into a clownshoe.
-
Just because they have their fare share of intellectual retards, that happily pad Spielberg and Lucas' pockets like their pavlovian American cousins, is no reason to point it out for all to see.</p><p>And as for blaming Lucas..there is enough blame in that steaming ball of hack spunk to go around. Spielberg was guilty of negligence...he was directing...the buck stops with him; but Lucas struck the match and set it to the Indy property. This guy is intent on destroying everything he ever made...it is his plan; it is his revenge on the fans for making his life miserable and destroying his marriage. Fact.
-
A new hope was about a rebel group sticking to the intergalactic man. Phantom menace was about trade tariffs and taxation. When guys like speilberg and lucas get old, they're just write what they know. Old man boring shit.
-
Indy 4 was terrible. Name one film critic worth their weight in salt who says it wasn't. The acting was abysmal, no passion, improper inflection, dull deliveries, it was B grade acting from A list actors. Harrison Ford clearly could have given two shits about the film, his acting was at it's worst, especially the first 30 minutes. Not one actor, besides Shia, who still hasn't got his chops yet, actually tried to provide a memorable and quality experience. This film was to appease fans who were clamoring for a new Indy and to make buckets of money to fund future projects. If you differ in your opinion that's fine, you are entitled to, but that doesn't make you correct in your assessment. You are wrong. This film was awful by any standards. Honestly Transformers was better written, acted and executed than Indy 4 and Transformers was pretty bad in itself.
-
I'm not sure why everyone is only blaming Lucas, lets not forget Speilberg had final cut. Indy 4 had the right tone for an Indy movie, it was just those ridiculous moments... surviving not only a nuclear blast but being thrown miles away in a fridge! What the fuck were they thinking? Shia swinging through trees, ants piggybacking themselves, Marion being able to manipulate vehicles into perfectly balancing on tree branches! Seriously what the fuck were they thinking? BUT ill take a new Indy movie any day. Indy 4 had a lot of things going for it, its just a shame that the things going against it were enough to ruin the movie. Also I think I'm the only one on the planet who enjoyed the chemistry between Mutt and Indy.
-
And a small role part for Karen Allen. The opening intro scene with a 40-something year old Abner Ravenwood will provide for some fun stunt casting, as well.
-
I thought that his birth name was "Indiana Jones Jr" who like his dad nick named himself after a dog his being named Mutt while Henry Jones Jr named himself Indiana after his dog who had died. Which was sort of a nice connection between the father, and son in the last movie. I loved the last movie, and I would like to see at least a 5, and 6! Just like Star Wars I would love 6 Indy movies.
-
June 17, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST
I always liked INDIANA JONES AND THE VALLEY OF THE POLYPS
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
....whoever originally came up with that, please contact me. You deserve a fucking medal.
-
Lets all wait for confirmation from Spielberg before we start getting worried. I can't believe any Indiana Jones movie would work without Ford in the central role. I mean, come on!
-
June 17, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST
Cast a River Phoenix lookalike and REBOOT.
by The_Ghost_of_Marcus_Brody
the only way to save the franchise. Need more advice Lucas? I can email you my synopsis for Indy 5.
-
...away from the Palin daughters.
-
isn't he? i mean, in his day comic fans loved john byrne, the death of the leader of alpha flight, his Superman stuff, good god the early x-men years. Now his stuff looks ugly and dated, and even when you re-visit his best stuff it seems not so very great. it was great in its day, yet creators never know when to stop, except Bill Watterston, that guy went out gold.
-
So it is with great delight that I can say this: <br> <br> "Indiana Jones and This Will Finally Be the Last One"
-
come one, you all know we all are going to see it, or more exactly, PAY to see it. Which is what Lucash interest in this franchise is.
-
Sean Penn Backs Out of Three Stooges and Cartel<P> Chris Nolan Not Doing Batman 3? Batman On Film claims to have heard from mysterious and unnamed inside sources that Nolan’s return is far from assured.<P> Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof talk about Star Trek 2!!<P> Peck and Palicki Join Red Dawn<P> Summit Entertainment Buys Conjuring<P> The New Official Public Enemies Site<P>
-
He was killed by a crystal skull.
-
Calista's out but Shia's got crumbs in his pube 'stache. I say bring back short round, but as an actual beef round, fully cooked, that Indy carries around like a football, get's him out of jams and he talks to while Mutt rolls his eyes and humors him and sometimes goes off like Tom Cruise on that retard Dustin Hoffman. (bored at work)
-
15 minute Woo sequence with Indy and Short Round busting out of Nazii fortress.<BR> Thats what I'm talking about...
-
Yeah, the last one sucked but I like the character so much, I still wanna see more. I got a great idea, I wish they would make a 5 and 6 at the same time, save money and get two movies done at once. Lord knows Ford would be over 70 by the time they would get around to doing a sixth one otherwise ('course I would still rather see Ford doing one even if he was 75. Just like I would love to see a 79 Year old Dirty Harry. When you love the characters who gives a shit anyways. I mean is an 85 year old Indiana jones running around any less realistic than going off three separate waterfalls in an inflatable? It's not.
-
June 17, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST
Dirty Harry just needs enough arm strength to lift that big cann
by malificus
-
yep. it did.
-
It beat the shit out of Indy 2. I hate that fucking movie.
-
Right?
-
...of Doom, don't like great action movies.
-
For a guy my age (30ish) there was no movie action hero who was as downright cool a role model as Dr. Jones, not Bond, hell not even Han Solo! <p> But, last year they raped and killed my hero, and now lucas and spielberg seem intent on defiling his corpse and pissing on his grave. <p> I like Shia LeBoeuf in the right role but for the love of all thats holy, THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT ROLE FOR HIM! <p> Even if he was replaced by someone who could fit the hat and bullwhip (Nathan Fillion? Hugh Jackman?) its too late now for indy. You killed him you bastards, let him rest in peace
-
"come one, you all know we all are going to see it, or more exactly, PAY to see it. Which is what Lucash interest in this franchise is."<p><p>LOL I didn't pay for the LAST piece of shit, so needless to say I won't be changing my game plan this time out.
-
With a lump of steaming turd in one hand and a check for $20 Mill in the other the Transformer 2 sensation pulled down his pants and screamed "I'm Ready".
-
June 17, 2009, 2:43 a.m. CST
Who let lucas and Speilberg out of Jail after raping Indy?
by alucardvsdracula
And now they're gonna do it all over again. Oh the horror.
-
War of the Worlds (crap)... Munich (crap... hey let's intercut an explosion with an orgasm)... Minority Report (crap... chickened out on the original ending... story had too many holes... why remove his eyes only to use them again later on to open the door in the facility?)... Indy 4 (bland crap)... The Terminal (bland crap)... Catch Me If You Can (bland crap).
-
Sorry I know most of you lick his balls but for me Shia was one of the worst things in Indy 4, not like there was a lot of greatness but he was horrible. Kill him and I will love Indy 5 because it would strictly be a ballsy move. Kill a "in" actor in a movie would make it a hard core film. Just do it. Do it for me.
-
"Hi, George Lucas here, We're making a new Indiana Jones movie, but this time it's gonna be for the fans, the real fans. We're only making this because you all loved the last one sooo much that we just want to be able to say thank you for giving us your money. In our newest adventure Harrison will DIE in the first five minutes of OLD AGE and the YOUNG whipper snapper Shia will take his place and go on an adventure into OUTER SPACE. We know you're gonna love this movie cause me and Stevie came up with the idea after an evening out in Bangkok with David Carradine - the idea is to move the character to one side (KILL HIM, RAPE HIM, RAPE HIM SOME MORE, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA) and have Mutt Jones along with his protective mad mom Kaz Allen take on a super intelligent alien civilization that glow in the dark. The film will be shot in 3D using the latest CG technology, so the actors need never leave their trailers. Our new Indy (HA, HA, HA, HA, HA or MUTTY) movie will be out May 2011, so there's still time to kill yourself before then."
-
Fail.
-
June 17, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST
I like Shia, but there's only one Indy. It'd better be less flu
by Mr Nicholas
-
Dr. Jones a better role model than Bond(Connery?) and Solo? Not that i'm disagreeing with you but what are your reasons explain. I guess he is more relatable since there aren't any space smugglers or 00 agents but we can all try our luck in booby trapped caves.
-
Indy 5? after the last abomination, why? seriously, how greedy can you get?
-
Most of that movie was pretty bad, but as much as it pains me to say it, Mutt wasn't the problem.
-
Indy is the new bond! Let the reboots begin!
-
Anyone who thought INDY 4 was a good film needs their head examined. The rave review AICN gave to this film I found to be utter nonsense! ABSOLUTE PILE! The ONLY REASON it made a SHIT LOAD of money was the huge amount of INDY fans out there who like myself paid good money to go see it, watched it and then hated it!! Cardboard acting, terrible plot and jesus christ what was going on at the end of the film FFS!!! If AICN give misguided reviews like this to other non-deserving films then why bother visiting this site at all???? Will INDY 5 be getting any of my money?? I can safely say A RESOUNDING NO!!!
-
Butters
-
...it was so bad. But lets just dredge up all the old great films and make shittier, shinier versions where nothing of substance happens and you get bored stupid watching. Ghostbusters 3? Really? Why not make Back to the Future 4 while you're at it. Ruin all the best movies of the 80s/90s. COME UP WITH SOME NEW FUCKING IDEAS FOR FILMS YOU FUCKING HACKS! Indy IV was a disgrace. 'It's a B-movie' is no excuse thats just bullshit pandering to Spielberg and Lucas. Raiders, Temple and Last Crusade had a plot and characters that interacted in a world that had set up and was (just about) believable, even with the odd crazy (but fun) stunt. KOTCS was a skull fuck from start to finish, I can't even name all the stupid fucking things wrong with it, it'd take longer than the film. But the Looney Tunes tree was a particular highlight. LEAVE IT BE FOR CHRIST'S SAKES.
-
prepare for more fanboy weeping and gnashing of teeth
-
I thought this was a dead beaten horse in the five gazillion talkbacks we had prior to Indy 4's release.
-
It's all about CONTEXT!!! Indy IV was the weakest of the series. Let's face it, Raiders is one of the greatest movies ever made. But Indy IV is actually nowhere near as terrible as people (especially round here) make it out to be. It just stacks up poorly against the other three.<P> It is still fun, entertaining, swashbuckling etc. etc. I would argue that in context, Bad Indy (IV) is still a damned sight better than about 90% of the other shit Hollywood churns out.<P> Sky high expectations coupled with lack of context are the root cause of the backlash.
-
I think Indy 4 isn't that bad. It's meh and forgettable- which is a cardinal fucking sin for an Indy Film. <P>I blame Spielberg entirely- all the things that suck in it are things that suck consistently in Spielberg since Hook.
-
Indy IV wasn't a bad film because of expectations. It was a bad film for a whole host of reasons, notably the script, direction and acting. The story was all over the place, the effects switched between bad fake jungle sets and poor CGI, constantly pulling you out of the 'experience'. The actors didn't know whether to play it straight, comic or just fucking dull (the director can take some of the blame there) and the set-pieces got gradually more and more insane as the film dragged on, until I fully expected fucking Bugs Bunny to reveal himself in the UFO being chased by Marvin the Martian. Oh, wait, THAT would have been entertaining. The backlash is fully deserved.
-
Well.... I would pay good money to see more of Marvin the Martian.
-
but it's like proust compared to Star Trek, Terminator Salvation and Transformers.
-
Marvin the Martian is a legend.
-
If they learn from IV's flaws, make a brilliant number 5, I mean V, then the series is saved. Only the even-numbers will be ropey, kind of an inverse-Trek deal
-
than Indy 4 because the next installment won't have the excess baggage of a 15 years development hell. Bring in ONE fresh writer with a CLEAR vision, and do it quickly, then it should work. But don't wait another fxxxx 20 years.
-
Blaming foreign audiences for Hollywood's creative bankruptcy is ABSURD.
-
That last Indy movie was horrible from start to finish and the next one will be just as shitty. Especially if She-uh LaBarf is in it.
-
How the FUCK did Spielberg watch the final cut of Indy 4 and said "Yep. That's good enough to ship to theaters.". Did Lucas have a gun on his head? Spielberg is DEAD to me. DEAD. I want to force-feed him pork. And Shia can FUCK HIMSELF. Fucking hack.
-
But I don't know how to not go to a big movie like that. I guess buy a ticket to a chick flick and sneak in. I wish Shita would get a big movie franchise and stick with it only and stay the fuk away from my fav's like Transformers and Indy.
-
It was pretty much during the jungle car chase that i gave up on this film and didn't give a SHIT about anything that was yet to come in the final hour. I was of this mind because it was so glaringly obvious that Spielberg also didn't give a shit. I've never had so much anger towards the guy and started re-evaluating all those arguments I'd had with people telling me he was a hack. <p>what were they seeing that'd I'd missed until this point? <p> That jungle chase scene just got progressively more and more absurd and not even in a 'mummy-esk' way. actors standing in front of a blue screen with moving cartoon background and camera shake added in post. "Ok Shia, now act like something just hit you in the balls..... no! do it again. damnit... who cares, we'll fix it in post.... moving on!" <p> and what the FUCK was with those monkeys and the vine swinging?? <p>fuckin gay arse movie. im not seeing 5 if it's more shia and marion. I watch indianna jones for indianna jones. i want a cranky old fucker living in his world! indy 4 can be a bad dream for all i care. just ignor it. or set it a year before so we can have sean connery. <p> indiana jones died a tragic death
-
June 17, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST
the adventures of jewy jewenstein, written by judah friedlander
by ironic_name
-
PLEASE SPIELBERG, no that 'Shit' Labeouf in the next Indiana Jones. Any actor better than that. And above all, NOT a spin off.
-
i was dragged by my kid, not really knowing what the film was about and i walked away pleasantly surprised..lot of credit goes to jeff bridges and shia.
-
June 17, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST
Set it befor Crystal Skull, Have Indy in a trench coat...
by L. Ron Bumquist
Like a crumpled old Humphrey Bogart type, in more of a noir type mystery but with the usual archeological mcGuffin.
-
yeah bullshit <p> i heard the same arguments with Wolverine and terminator salvation. how were those 2 btw?
-
..and when they got it they hated it. These are the same idiots asking for Evil Dead IV. They asked for more star wars and got Episode I. Stop asking guys. Just stop asking.
-
T4 has 200 mil world wide and Wolvierine opened pretty big and made quite a chunk of cash. So yeah...you bitch but you still go to see the movie.
-
Get over that being the older movie is the best movie. Crystal had the major advantages of no screaming Willy through out the film and Indy being possessed. The plot made little or no sense either. I watched it after seeing Crystal Skull and realized how much better Skull was. Plus, we all know that Last Crusade was the best one of the series only because Connery is God.
-
christ, give it a break.
-
Moments you could only get from Spielberg - the shadow of the fedora on the car door, the lights in the hangar being magnetically pulled upwards, the diner brawl, the Conquistadors turning to dust accompanied by cool Williams choral music, Spalko's theme, the 'Call of the Crystal' theme, Indy holding the skull up against the wall painting of the alien. And i loved the whole inner sanctuum sequence, a real throwback to my 80s childhood. OK the film had flaws but its nowhere near as bad as some on here are protesting.
-
Wrong - Raiders is the best one. Last Crusade failed on an adventure level since most of the running time was taken up by Connery's schtick.
-
$279,342,386 total box office for T4. And $355,836,235 total for Wolverine. They both did pretty well actually. Internet fanboy bitching means nothing in the real world. We don't matter. Nothing we say or do matters.
-
Very true. We are a tiny fraction of the audience out there, most of whom wouldn't know a good film if it smacked them in the pus. They lap up Pirates of the Caribbean, Mamma Mia and High School Musical.
-
yeah i was entertained by indy 4..on nostalgia alone...it was coasting on it, though i think spielberg and ford are the only ones to pull that off..williams' music was good, but nowhere near as good as 75-84.
-
...Silverstone Batgirl, little kid from Terminator Salvation, entire cast of Land of the Lost... it's all the characters no one wants in one movie. Yes, it's The League of Poochies! (Obscure Simpsons reference, if you don't get it, too bad!)
-
dont shit on PIRATES--they were good for what they were--just madcap entertainment
-
The one with the new physics engine. Wasn't it supposed to be out by now? It just completely disappeared off the radar.
-
The film totally coasted on nostalgia. And Williams score was pretty unmemorable, apart from the themes I mentioned. He even used the Last Crusade theme at the end as Indy and co stood discussing the alien ship! Still Williams is pretty old now, I can cut him some slack.
-
Never got the Pirates love, I spent the whole film wanting to murder Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley.
-
at least we're still discussing the merits or otherwise of Skull a year on. Does anyone think we will be talking about Star Trek, Wolverine, Terminator Salvation or Transformers next summer?
-
What was wrong with Star trek? I thought it was great!
-
for those of you in the dark. <P>AL is insufferable douchebag formerly known as memories-of-murder. He has a grossly overinflated sense of his own importance, and puts far too much cache in his own opinion, which he frequently presents as fact. Despite the fact that his intellect is roughly equivalent to a semi-retarded tortoise. He's also a nauseating little hypocrite, a simple minded little xenophobe, and has a pompous streak a mile wide. <P>The last film that he sounded off like this about was Alien v Predator: Requiem, where he went on and on about how evil it was then saw one trailer, blew his spuds and bought a ticket to the opening night in Oporto. <P>So when he says shit like "i don't need the new half-arsed modern shit." What he means is "I'll bitch about it in advance, but I'll be there wearing a dirty mac on opening night fondling myself to orgasm to the opening credits". <P>This was a public information service from Jarv.
-
June 17, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST
Shia Lebeouf will never be universally loved like Harrison Ford!
by Orionsangels
In fact I hate Shia LeGoof! If the franchise goes with him. Count me out!
-
star trek will be the film this summer that we will talk about..that is the only one to have any longevity.
-
That's some laughable shit.
-
Why did the berg drop out of trial of the chicago seven? Ben stiller is now directing that?
-
Came out for the PSP and now the Wii. I asked about it at Gamestop last week and was told that since it came out "early" on handhelds and wasn't too well received that they dropped the big consoles. Take with a grain of your favorite condiment.
-
Seriously.. best sidekick ever was Wu Han because he died 10 minutes into the movie..<p>never gonna happen though..
-
yeah it seems so
-
Do to this doll <P> http://tinyurl.com/nlnd3n
-
WHATS your point?? there are a select few, asimovlives icluded, who actually bring something worthwhile to the discussion. he just doesnt blather off at the mouth and NOT back it up..he usually backs his opinion with some semblance of truth behind it...i will gladly have a convo with him about film, defintely when we dont agree..i think this occured with SR...
-
who hated Munich with a passion. I found the movie incredibly boring. Opening was great rest of movie not so much. One day in september is still the best film of those events ever made. Why the berg didnt make that into film is beyond me.
-
I want another Indy adventure.
-
That Indy was his father. He chose the name "Mutt" but must have know his real name was Henry Jones III, right?
-
is to this day the worst christmas movie.. ever.
-
They should make it a prequel to the fourth fuckfest...no Mutt, no Marion. Set it several years before Skullfuck, and use make-up to make Harrison looks less dead. Use the Communist Chinese as bad guys...I saw someone jokingly say they should bring back Short Round as an antagonist, but it's not a terrible idea...better than "Agent Spalko". And I agree, I wanted a new Indy movie to start with a flash-back to World War II. Have one of Indy's former students now a full professor, who's a duplicitous and competitive pain-in-the-ass, serving as a secondary villain/anti-hero. And the thing should revolve around Ancient Greek or Norse mythology...I'd love to see Indy struggling to prevent Ragnorok. Maybe the main bad guy could be leader of an ancient sect of Vikings who've persevered into the 20th century. And most importantly, make it thrilling, brutal, and take-no-prisoners like ToD. Of course, Spielbitch and LucASS would find a way to completely fuck it up, but whatever...
-
that is all
-
Hate to agree but your fucking right. We're pissing in the wind against a tide of millions of hapless fuckwits only too willing to pay for dross and remakes. For a while now I've been watching the general public in music and video stores, following them around to see what they've bought. Everytime I see someone with a copy of Alien Vs Predator under their arm I wait for them outside and stab them. The cops ain't caught me yet and there's plenty more work for my trusty blade before I retire to the gas chamber.
-
That is the bestist idea i've ever heard. I would like to discuss this with you in person. I shall be at the following address from 8pm tonight: 149 Van Winkle Ave., Garfield, NJ. Be sure to wear pink!
-
June 17, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST
Here's a preview of what Lucas has in mind for Indy 5
by alucardvsdracula
http://tinyurl.com/ofsejc
-
A little better, but it was weak enough that there wasn't much point in running out into the streets shaking a fist at the sky over how bad Crystal Skull was. Truth told they are batting .500 with the Indy movies, it just so happens that the first one was one of those grand slam, out of the park, sending sparks from the stadium lights out onto the field type hits. Raiders was three times as good as the next best installment in the trilogy, Last Crusade, which merely qualified as an above average, entertaining summer flick.
-
I'd rather they use a grown up Shortround than Mutt.
-
Doom is one of the greatest action movies ever made. A masterpiece of set design, pacing, score, and set-pieces. Roger Ebert called it not so much a prequel to Raiders, but an equal.
-
..spend more time on films that you pretend to dislike than you do on the bullshit that you pretend to like. I'm all for Indy 5 and fuck you if you say otherwise.
-
Temple of Doom is the shit. Nothing beats that James Bond intro. And please, fuck you all again.
-
...is better than The Last Crusade.
-
About the "We asked for it" post. Thats why I now say fuck no to Evil Dead IV.
-
...has its problems, but it's still a lot of fun. Fridges and all.
-
Agreed. After watching Drag Me To Hell, I couldn't give a fuck less about Evil Dead 4.
-
fuck that...had Indy 4 been anything other than a cashgrab, we wouldnt be Tbing right now...but thats what it was..a bone to throw to the collective masses who kept whining about another Indy 4...Lucas and Spielberg both probably got sick of fielding those questions in EVERY FUCKING INTERVIEW! we are to blame...we tolerate this mediocre shit. how many Tbs are there saying BRING ON GHOSTBUSTERS 3 or YAY ALIEN REBOOT or PREDATORS!!!! FUCK YEAH! or GIVE THE FUTURE FUCKING WAR!!! and when they come out, they ALWAYS fail to satisfy EVERY SINGLE TIME. i admit i was entertained when i saw Indy on the big screen after 20 years, but was it the same as before? not even close. i had smiles, just by seeing an imitation (a top grade imition, but one nonetheless) of a beloved classic coasting on nostalgia alone. had this been a stand-alone film or the first of its kind--the would be in the depths of the MUMMY.. accept nothing less than quality in films like these or they will continue to make the mediocrity they thrived at. we. are. to. blame.
-
June 17, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST
you know what was fun in INDY 4? The greaser fight.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
And the 4 minutes that followed. Thats it. Everything else was absolute garbage. The jokes weren't funny, the action wasn't impressive, the story was boring, the MacGuffin was boring, the characters were generic, even the fucking costumes looked less authentic. And oh yeah.....HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MAKE JOHN WILLIAMS SUCK?!! I dunno. But somehow The Berg pulled it off.
-
in the tradition of the rest of the series. Anyone who thinks otherwise is joyless or ignorant or both.
-
I learned my mistake from Indy4...not saying it was terrible, nor great, that--can't believe I am saying this, Indy4 was a download movie. Shia, I will give the faggot his due he is a good "actor" when he plays himself. There are some "actors" out there who are good at playing a variation of themselves than actually acting out a character. Like Julia Roberts. But anything else, nope. And to someone who said that Shia can play the lead in a gritty action role, are you fucking kidding me buddy? Is that what we have come to, having prissies be in action movies? You say Shia is in an action movie, next thing you know Michael Cera will be cast as Col. John Matrix, or the twilight retard as Mad Max. What have we come to?
-
and also pimps Terminator Salvation, Star Trek, Drag Me to Hell, Wolverine, Transformers and every movie that came out this year to Aryan Redneck, Latino and BGF inmates in San Quentin for cigarettes and alcohol.
-
Open wide sweetheart. Now fucking choke.
-
Indy was supposed to be racing against Mutt to get the artifact. THAT would be awesome because it would put the focus on Indy more.
-
Let the hate FLOOOOOW through you.
-
We asked for an Indiana Jones sequel (which in hindsight was a mistake), but we didn't ask for what we got. <P>It's like we ordered sirloin steak in a restaurant and got stewing steak. It kind of is what we wanted, but not really and distinctly sub-par. <P>SDB, I've got a long history arguing with that pretentious cocksucker, but will happily not involve anyone else. He doesn't back up his opinions reasonably, what he does is put up indefensible straw men and opinion as fact. I'll just keep to him rather than involve anyone else. Sorry.<P>Hobocode- that isn't a fact, it's an opinion. But you think The Happening is a good film.
-
... and then Victoria Principal would come on screen and say, in reference to Indy 4, "it was all a dream -- a horrible, horrible dream!" Shit. Indy 4 was so bad it made "Hook" look good. Does Shia REALLY have to be in another Indy film? If the film simply consisted of George Lucas dropping his pants and taking a giant shit on a copy of "Raiders", followed by Spielberg unzipping his fly and whipping out his penis and taking a prolonged piss on a copy of "Raiders", then at least there would be some honest integrity on the screen as a perfect reflection of their film-making mission. Anything less would just be another slap in the face.
-
the berg of late is because He is working or was working 5 major projects: the two tin movies, The pacific World War Two HBO tv epic, His memoirs. Lincoln. and a big multimedia project which will include films, tv and books.
-
Fair enough. An INFORMED opinion based on evidence, but an opinion none the less. As far as The Happening, I never said it was good. I said I liked it, and that it wasn't as bad as the vitrolic hate it elicted from this site. From people that never even saw it might add.
-
there'd probably be a musical number in it.
-
based on your subjective taste. There's plenty of people in this TB that think it's nothing of the sort. <P>I'm still "meh" about it, it isn't bad enough for me to hate, but not good enough to praise. A let down, but not Star Wars Prequels bad (which is why I think Spielberg is to blame not Lucas).
-
Happy now. Am I at least entitled to it? Because the "plenty of people" on here you speak of would seem to think those of us who liked the movie are not?
-
June 17, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST
HoboCode -- I only hate two people on this site.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Coughlins Laws, and you. But at least Coughlins can make me chuckle. You just get on my fucking nerves.<P>Prick.
-
Gets constantly pissed on. It wasn't made for you. It was made for kids. It's like you bitching about "Jumanji" or something. Give it a rest, guys.
-
rightback atcha
-
before I'll say a nice thing about The Happening. And yes, I didn't just like The Village, I think it's one of M. Night's best, and even I hated The Happening.
-
I hate Munch as well.
-
but when you put something as smug as "FACT..... anyone that thinks otherwise is joyless or ignorant or both" you are effectively denying everyone else's opinion. Especially when you are in the minority. <P>I'm surprised how upset people get by this film, it really isn't bad or good enough for this level of vitriol.
-
It's a children's picture. It's whimsical. It's like Levinson's "TOYS" which is constantly ripped to shit by critics whom it wasn't made for. These are fairy tales not meant for 35 year old internet fanboys. I digress. In the case of Indy IV, It's not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be; particularly upon multiple viewings. There's some great stuff and some lackluster stuff. But it fits with the rest of the franchise for the most part.
-
last third is mince. In my opinion. Heh.
-
i think hook was made during the time when spielberg was becoming a father...he made Indy 3 and hook..and come to think about it, hook is the quintessential spielberg film---its about a boy who doesnt wnat to grow up and what happens when he does..a perfect metaphor for him making indy 4...he now makes films like minority report and munich, but thinks he can still play in the backyard with indy 4.
-
Your hatred of me only further validates my sanity and decency.
-
spielberg at least makes his "lesser quality films" interesting and entertaining because he his a great director..i just dont think his heart was in it with indy 4.
-
One of Williams' best scores. Makes me feel like I'm 9 years old every fucking time. <P>When Ruffio bows down to Pan and says "You are The Pan," and Peter raises the sword and crows....fuck me-- just pure magic.
-
June 17, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST
anybody notice that EMPIRE OF THE SUN and AI are the same film?
by Six Demon Bag
basically the same plot...pretty cool to watch back to back..but stay away from sharp objects.
-
Spielberg always shoe-horns shit from his own life into films- hence Connery in Last Crusade when he was working out daddy issues. <P>Asimovlives is sort of right, but mostly wrong, talking about Transformers etc doesn't make them classic, but if even the most ardent geeks are discussing disposable dreck like GI Joe in ten years time, then that isn't geekiness- it's obsession. The General Public lose interest in things about 3 seconds after they're finished.<P>You're still a cunt though.
-
hook score is smashing
-
awful.
-
I'm just fucking around most of the time. But you, you actually take yourself seriously. <p>
-
I saw IV in theaters. And I thought it fit in just fine. All of them are just outlandish and silly. Just now its the age of CGI, but really the most bizzare thing was have you ever seen an uglier cast? I mean that stereotypical everyone's got to be attractive in Hollywood goes out the window with Indy IV.
-
Maybe I won't now, but I'm starting to realize that I'm better off just letting old movies be and not going back.
-
So your argument revolves around the fact that because it's about an adult, it can't be made for children? How does that make any sense at all?
-
The intention is the thing that matters least- there's plenty of examples of books, films, plays whatever where the final product is hugely different from the intention. <P>You do not judge on what someone intended to do or tried to do. <P>Having said that, it is a therapy session and does blow goats. In the same way that Superman Returns is.
-
With 1/10th the magic and heart of Hook. The metrosexual Pan with a lisp kid is fucking nauseating. Sorry-- I'll take fat 40 year old Robin Williams instead. <p>And Isaacs don't got got shit on Hoffman.<p>Everything about that film reeked like a poor man's version of Hook. Neverland looks okay, but not as good as Hook. The score is okay, but not as good as Hook. The photography is okay, but not as good as Hook. <p>Oh yeah-- and Tinkerbell was an annoying cunt in Pan. I'll take Pixie haircut Julia Roberts.
-
Yes, I have seen the other movies many times as I grew up watching them, and Indy IV is very much similar to the others:<p> Harrison Ford as Indy<p> A love interest<p> A sidekick<p> A scifi/adventure story<p> Goofy humor and lots of outlandish action<p> A creepy crawly scene<p> Fascist villains.<p> Sounds like an Indy movie to me.
-
If you want to wheel out the intentional fallacy or any of your other bullshit high-art pretensions and think you can bluff your way round it in shattered English then I'm going to call you for it. <P>Be happy that you're mostly in the right on this one.
-
You missed the entire point of the film. The exact opposite is true. It's made for children but the adults are supposed to take things away from it.
-
ANY BIG POPCORN SUMMER TENT POLE THIS YEAR HAS TO OFFER, REALLY ONLY THE HANGOVER HAS BEEN WORTH THE MONEY.
-
Superficially Indy 4 does fit in the series, except for the Alien rather than Religion gubbins, (they're communists not fascists, by the way), but it just feels out of place. I think this is why people have reacted so badly to it.
-
"...act like a punk-ass bitch and anoy other talkbacks with dumb diatribes that serves absolutly no porpose whatsoever..."<P>Your Honor, I hereby present to you AssimovLives' "BAYFORMERS" and "Jay Jay Trek" rants as exhibits Alpha and Bravo.<P>And if it please the court, I ask that you smite him across the nose with your gavel for being a repetitive, hypocritical bore.
-
June 17, 2009, 12:13 p.m. CST
I don't give a fuck what the intention of Hook was....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
I enjoyed the fuck out of it as a kid. I enjoy the fuck out of it now. Each time I see it, it doesn't lose an ounce of charm. To me, Spielberg got almost every element of that film right. There are a few things that bother me....like how hideous Peter's wife is, and I think they should have included the indians-- but overall its near perfection in my eyes. My entire family loves it, and most of my close friends as well. I think it has a lot do with your upbringing-- I find a lot of people complain about what an asshole of a father Peter is at the beginning.....uhhhhhh isn't that the point?
-
it's supposed to be entertaining enough for children, with something for adults. It isn't for adults at all. <P>I can't stand it, but not because I think it's an adult film.
-
June 17, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST
There is no spirit of adventure in Indy IV.....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
....none whatsoever. It feels more like their task is a chore. It never feels like Indy has any passion for what he is doing. <P>And sword fighting/Tarzan swinging/monkey taming Mutt....that does not fit anywhere in the world we had previously seen.
-
Because you're a cunt. <P>You really can't help yourself, can you. Hook is not the film you either think it is or wish it would be. <P>I totally disagree with Danny, I think it's horrendously awful and Julia Roberts makes me want to bang knitting needles through my own eardrums.
-
....do you not like the entire concept of an old Peter returning to Neverland not remembering who he is?
-
Oh, shut up. I already contributed earlier. But in case you missed it: INDY4 sucked donkey balls and I hope they don't make a 5th. RAIDERS is the best of the series and you are a droll bitch.
-
I understood it as a kid. Seems like everyone else did too. Maybe you're just daft? Simply because films have aspects made to keep adults entertain doesn't mean they're for adults. The theme of hook is to hold onto your childhood whimsy.
-
June 17, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST
Oh yeah...Smee fucking blows in Peter Pan too.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
You know what held that film together though-- the girl that plays Wendy. She was fantastic. She made me believe that homosexual Pan would go straight after the way she looked at him.
-
Communist. Fascist. What the fuck ever. If you want to get specific they weren't aliens they were interdimensional beings. You get the point. <p> I respect your opinion but disagree that the spirit wasn't there. I personally think many people are letting their nostalgia for the originals interfere with their enjoyment of the new film. We're adults now (Dickblood excluded) and many have forgotten what it was like when we first saw these films as children. It's the same with the star Wars prequels.<p> Anyway if you didn't like the film that's fine. I did and I won't apologize for it. I look forward to a new movie if they make it. If you r willing I suggest giving Indy IV another look on DVD, without a ragingly geeky summer audience hopped u pon Red Bull or alcohol or both. It's a much better way to watch it and you may find you like it a little bit.
-
June 17, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Mother Superior of Cunts
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
-
Round them off with 1941, The Lost World, and Always, and you have the top 5 worst Spielberg movies. But Indy 4 is far lazier - and thus more offensive - than Hook.
-
Exactly. You're saying because a film has an adult as a main character it can't be a children's film. Which is completely moronic.
-
No, I quite like the idea. I just think it was abominably handled. <P>With one exception- the score. You're right about that. <P>Memories, listen: Forget the intention, it's got fuck all to do with the film. It is a family film- it isn't adult. You aren't watching Cronenburg's Crash here. It is something that is to entertain children, but keep adults interested. <P>If you think that film is completely from an adult perspective with Robin fucking Williams thrashing around in the mud trying to learn to fly then you're on crack. You are talking complete fucking shit- it's a whimsical family movie, albeit one I despise.
-
something Steven, or The Berg as DG puts it, has lost apparently.
-
I really enjoyed KOTCS, it actually improved on subsequent watches. Just like the prequels there were things i thought were awful, but ultimatley you have to think "am i going to let a few really annoying things ruin this"? I'd be happy if they made a 5th one and i wouldnt expect it to be any different in its form than the last one. Harrison Ford obviously has a few years left in him yet, if Crystal Skull was anything to go by. The only thing i'd insist on is some slightly more "substantial" bad guys, they dont have to be Nazis, just a bit more interesting than the ruskies were.
-
June 17, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST
Obviously there are things that will go over kid's heads.....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
....just like in every recent animated film. <p>It doesn't mean it wasn't intended for a young audience. I saw it when I was young in a packed theater full of screaming kids who all enjoyed the hell out of it. No you don't really grasp the "Midlife Crisis" element, you just take it to mean that Peter is a shitty dad at the beginning. He remembers the magic of being a kid and becomes a better father by the end. End of story.
-
Nailed it on Hook being a children's film. Respectfully disagree on whether it's a_good_ children's film. But a children's film nontheless. I still enjoy it.
-
especially in the context of an Indy film. I thought that was a good idea, moving him into the cold war.
-
Lucas insisted on shoving that "interdimentional beings" shit down everyone's throats. Lest we forget that the reason the movie wasn't made for years and years was because the Berg didn't want aliens and Lucas pulled his prima donna bullshit holding off until Ford and Steve finally gave up and caved.
-
is that he states something utterly fallacious and moronic, then when challenged on it simply repeats his original incorrect point, without ever ceding an inch. <P>On that note, rather than argue with that cunt I'm off to find a brick wall to bang my head against. It's a more useful way to spend time. <P>Have a good night.
-
June 17, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST
I liked the concept of Russians as well.....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...they were just horribly handled and never for a second menacing.
-
Consider them reread. "but more importantly, it's about a middle aged guy in the middle of the bitching middle life crisis who discovers he once was a mythological being. No, it's not a kid's movie." That's the gist of your argument. So once again, I remind everyone that just because a film is about a man going through a mid life crisis, that has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on whether it was made for kids or adults.
-
The Hook score is one of Williams best, just brilliant. There's a lot of cool stuff in Hook too, a lot of great movie moments.
-
But it was lacklustre at some points. However, I am still convinced that Indy was a product of its times - the 1980s - and that kind of film making. The people involved should've continued their careers in other directions. The fourth one just felt like a reunion where you feel very uncomfortable, but it was nice to see some familiair faces again.
-
There is nothing wrong with the alien (or inter-dimensional beings)aspect of it whatsoever; it fits perfectly in with the whole concept of Indy discovering artifacts linked to the supernatural, occult or some other phenomena. It doesn't have to be religion based at all. What tanked Indy 4 was execution - and that all came from Spielberg, and Spielberg alone. The buck stops there. Clearly, he could not have give a tuppeny fuck about that movie - there's no spark to it at all. That, and Ford blatantly clamouring for a hit after years of flops.
-
Where did you hear that Spielberg really didn't want to make Hook, and was hired to do so? Never heard that before.
-
equivalent to a great movie by the hack directors today. Hook is a good film, like I say, there is creativity in it. Even if you didn't like it at least you gotta admit they planned shit out.
-
i think nick castle was gonna direct hook....spielberg did instead..dunno if he was forced or what...wouldnt see why he would be.
-
A movie being made for kids and being told from a kids perspective are two completely separate issues. You're combining the two and I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You're bragging that Peter Pan is great because it for kids and told from a kid's perspective, and then you say Spielberg used to be able to tell a story from a kid's perspective and reference Empire of the Sun as your example? Uhhhhh......news flash. It may be about a kid-- but Empire is not a fucking kid's movie. The fact that you feel it is, proves why your views on Hook are so severely fucked. If you wanted to back up your point, you would have mentioned E.T. as Spielberg's shining achievement of telling a story from a child perspective. But you didn't-- which proves you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You say Hook is not as good as Pan because Pan kept it about the kids....okay, fair enough. It was a straight adaptation from the source material. Hook builds on the existing mythology and asks the question, what if Peter Pan grew up? How the fuck would you tell that story from a kid's perspective? You could go into details of what you didn't like about the film to justify your bullshit....and thats fine. An opinion is an opion. But this whole Spielberg fucked up with the kid's perspective nonsense is indecipherable diarrhea.<p> And you proved you're full of shit when you said Hook's score is not memorable. Here you go, have a listen to track 12, 13, and 14. <p>http://tinyurl.com/2vqy8y <p>PURE FUCKING MAGIC.
-
Yeah no shit it feels like a Chore Danny. Indy's what fucking 60 years old. He probably wishes he was at home watching Wheel.
-
That was a Spielberg fuckup, but I disagree with Hook. DGDB makes valid points with that film. HOok is a kids movie, but yet I still watch it whenever they show it on TBS or AMC, there is still magic in that movie.
-
....at its heart though, I think its a story of the loss of innocence, and a boy that grows up too fast.
-
bro ur still at this? take a break...oh and DGDB just fucking dominated you...also and don't talk about Empire of the Sun...you're not qualified to speak about movies of such high quality
-
Gets me every fucking time.
-
He could make shit movies for the rest of his career and his past filmography would be reason enough to give him a Full Pass.
-
Can truly say that ToD is the one film where Indy truly becomes a hero and not saves the day for selfish reasons. And Harrison was built like a monster in that one!
-
He has a lifetime pass and respect from me already. And I'm fine with him fucking up once in awhile.....but please-- don't destroy your beloved franchises. If you wanna try something new and possible fuck up-- go ahead. Make it a whole new animal. Do not toy with the sequels to the films people treasure. If you're not quite sure which direction to take it for a new generation....don't even fucking bother.
-
It features the greatest action climax of all time. I love the setting, I love Indy's character, I love tearing people's fucking hearts out. I love it all. And it truly loses nothing over the years. It is just as fun and exciting now as it ever was. I just watched it a month ago.
-
than Indy 4 and that's sad.. almost as sad as that kid's parents buying it at the end..
-
i cant remember what my parents looked like....fucking heartbreaking!
-
"We. Are. Going. To. Die." Cracks me up every time.
-
When the big miner bad guy goes sliding across the gravel.....tilt up slow and push in on Indy standing in the steam, backlit from the tunnel behind him. <P>100% PURE FUCKING MAN
-
This was at Ausiello EW site; where's the discussion? http://tinyurl.com/6h66xj
-
You infidels do not deserve real Indy.
-
I can see someone not liking Temple (though I do) since it is such a departure from the other three in the fact that it's not only semi-racist, but Indy goes from being an honorable man trying to preserve antiquities and save his friends in the other movies, to a money grubbing "fortune and glory" seeking douche in Temple. But I don't see how anyone cannot at least like Crusade. Just about every monet of that film kicks serious ass in my opinion. To each his own I guess.
-
Short Round is most revered among my people.
-
Keep in mind that Doom is a prequel to the other films. So, it could be the period where Indy gains a certain level of maturity.
-
Hence the fortune and glory aspect of his character.
-
I know you all agree. <P> The Nazi characters were pure caricature. There was no real sense of danger, or wonder. I mean, you just found the Holy Grail, saved your father's life with its divine healing powers, and you just ride off like you finished eating at Country Buffet? WTF is that?
-
Fair enough. It doesn't make his attitude in Temple any less offensive though in some ways. Like I said, I love ALL the movies. I was pointing out that aspect as one that might turn people off compared to the other films.
-
Have him team up with Mutt. Because that is the only way that will get this mullah to buy a ticket.
-
he's just making it up as he goes along...beautiful.
-
June 17, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST
INDIANA JONES AND THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NEW JERSEY
by AyatollahSexyBack
Can Indy survive the guidettes from Franklin Lake? <P> Tables will be thrown. <P> Hair will be pulled. <P> The English language will be mangled. <P> Coming Summer 2010.
-
is that you BSB???
-
I don't have anything in pink. I'll just show up in my birthday suit!
-
ive cracked it...did you see teresa goes fucking apeshit???? the bubbies got to her brain!
-
Indy & son search the Pyramids, and find a Stargate?
-
Teresa went full meltdown! I was agasp during the whole scene. It was unbelievable! <P> Best surprise of course was how Jacqueline stood up to Caroline and Dina. And her husband stood by her, calling them out for acting like fools. It was a delicious episode, can't wait to see the reunion next week. <P>
-
Indy will be in his mid 70's. And his son will have to help him.<br>
-
FYI, the correct terminology for a skeezy Jerz guidette is "Bleeth." <p> Hotchickswithdouchebags.com FTW
-
...but then I saw the aliens in Indy 4 and all was forgiven.
-
I'd rather see a Dr. Henry Jones movie over a Mutt movie any day of the week. I see a common pattern in these reboots, they introduce cool new characters and kill them in the first movie (Marcus from T4 & Mac from indie 4) And let the lame ass characters live (Mutt & Black little girl that didn't speak from T4). I was angry while watching Indie 4 since I saw Indy's dad had died. These movies are about the characters we already fell in love with from the past incarnation terminator-the connor family. INDIANA FUCKIN' JONES, Not Mutt.
-
He chose...poorly.* *Spielberg, that is by doing INDY IV.
-
Stalin just isn't exciting a villain as Hitler.<br> Sorry Stalin :(
-
mitortilla, be careful what you say.<p> One day the lame ass characters may rise up. Think THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN but reversed.<p> Starring Mac, Mute Black Kid, Newt, Scrappy Doo, Jar Jar Binks, and other fan 'non-favourites'.
-
I hope what Shia means when he says Spielberg cracked the code for Indy 5 is that Indy will have a b&w picture of Mutt and he will say, oh Mutt passed away during that trip, remember? and that will be all.
-
The man was built like