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A Clip From Jane Espenson’s Cylon-Centric BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Movie THE PLAN!!
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“The Plan,” a prequel about what the Cylons were up to, hits SciFi this autumn, probably during November sweeps. It was directed by Edward James Olmos from a teleplay by Jane Espenson (“Buffy The Vampire Slayer,” “Firefly”).
Somebody pointed a camera at SciFi Friday night:
And here’s the months-old trailer:
Both are cribbed from Galactica Sitrep, which also has a description (but no video) of a "Plan" encounter between Cavil and Boomer.
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First? lol
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...is a good sign.<p>Cavil, along with his yearning to cast off his human-like bonds to be the "perfect machine" should be front and center in this.
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Why couldn't they have just included all of this information, during the drawn out final season? This makes all those filler episodes even more frustrating. All of that time and energy could've gone into telling this, rather integral, part of the story.<p> Oh and... Espenson still sucks.
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they pull me back in.
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Sadly, this once-amazing show rode off the rails in season 3 and showed just how little anyone knew about what the fuck they were doing in Season 4. The most amazing part of the finale was that just about anyone's proposed version of how it would end, or any fanboy's faux finale beat the hell out of what actually happened. I can actually tell you the exact moment BSG lost it: the minute they showed what the Cyclons were doing. Up until that point, they were an enigmatic and even frightening enemy. And we won't even dare go into the entire last hour of the show. I think "Small Wonder" managed a more-successful wrap-up.
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There was a trailer!? Months old?!
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has made me realize that owning the DVD's is no longer worth my while. Hellllloooo ebay.
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I foresee a lot of weeping.
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BSG is dead to me. I second all of what ArmageddonProductions said.
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I just want to forget it ever existed.
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Good point, however, I think even seasons 3 & 4 were better than most of the stuff on TV despite notable shortcomings. <P> I do hope BSG: The Plan sheds a little light on what the resurrected Starbuck and the Head Six & Baltar were. After rewatching the series on DVD it is very clear that Head Six was working as a Cylon at the close of the mini, but by the end of season 4 she was an angel? And Starbuck vanishing? WTF?!
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The finale was great, and miles better than I expected after the really poor 4th season. In fact, knowing what the underlying story was all along, makes me really appreciate season 3 a lot more, and I had big problems with season 3. I think the main problem was that Season 4 should have been 11 episodes, not 22. They were telling 11 episodes of story and cramming it into 22, so basically every other episode was lame filler. Still, as a whole, the series has been incredible I'd say, 100% for seasons 1 and 2, an 80% for season 3, and a 50-60% for season 4. That still averages to like a 85%.
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the new Caprica series.<BR><BR>Pray my fellow nerds Pray hard she does not royally fuck this all up.
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I never been so disappointed with a series as I was with BSG post season 2.
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I'm as big of a science fiction nerd as the next guy, but I had been forcing myself to watch for a number of episodes by that time anyway. The spectacle of the show was attractive, and it definitely had some elements that appealed to my inner geek. But if I'm going to keep watching a show or reading a book, I need there to be some likable characters. <P> It wasn't that the show was "too realistic" (LMAO) or that it failed to conform to my childish, American need for black-and-white morality (BSG fans can be so cruel). It's just that I only have so many hours in the week, and there is more good content out there for me than there is time for me to consume it, so I prefer to follow stories that have at least *one* character that acts like a real person (i.e., not some weird combination of emo, asshole, vein-poppingly intense, this-is-serious-business, I-fight-you-or-I-fuck-you characteristics that is about as "grown up" as Pee-Wee Herman). Having some hint of human joy evident somewhere in the series from time to time would be a great plus as well. <P> Sorry, just had to vent for some reason. This sounds like a neat move, can't wait, etc.
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I loved the whole Season 4 Watchtower and finding the dead "Earth". Great stuff. The ending was all right. I am glad they finally found a planet, and the Cylon War was over.
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All that mystery wrapped in endless potential. I've seen the whole first season more than once and along with season 2, it's one of the most imaginative sci-fi's ever.
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and before thet, The Simpsons
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ArmageddonProductions, sir or ma'am, I quote you in saying The most amazing part of the finale was that just about anyone's proposed version of how it would end, or any fanboy's faux finale beat the hell out of what actually happened." Let's see what yours was: "Spoiler City by ArmageddonProductions Mar 13th, 2009 03:15:08 AM ... and for my Very First Post, I'm gonna lay out a couple of mind-boggling spoilers for the ending of BSG. Skip if you don't want to know the ending! You have been warned! 1) Daniel, the seventh Cylon, is Kara Thrace's father. You probably figured this one out already. What you didn't know was, Daniel is ALSO Gaius Baltar's father. In-head Six (and in-head Baltar, In-head Slick, etc.) is Daniel's way of "guiding his loved ones" -- projecting helpful advice into their minds via "angels". Yes, this means Starbuck and Baltar did the Kentucky-style nasty. Not sure how she resurrected in a new Viper, though. 2) Roslin is connected thanks to her Cylon-baby stem cell injection, which is how she is able to see the opera house stuff and share visions with the Cylons. 3) Adama, Roslin and Hybrid-Anders, who is now Galactica's "pilot", will go down with the ship. Those of you who guessed Galactica was "the dying leader" were correct, though some may also be led to believe it was Baltar. 4) Anders "piloting" the Galactica will figure quite prominently into the ending. So do the Raiders and the Centurians. 5) The last human/Cylon survivors make it to a habitable planet, which Cavil knew the location of for a long, long time. Guess what they decide to call it? And the fact that the dead Earth found at the mid-season closer more or less had many of the same landmarks our Earth has (the Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) ties in to the "all of this has happened before ..." schtick. Am I right? Guess we'll know in a week or so ..." But wait, there's more! "Spoiler City, Pt. 2 by ArmageddonProductions Mar 13th, 2009 03:37:50 AM Forgot to mention that, while the last three hours are gonna be fairly satisfying (unlike a good portion of this last half-season, which felt like they had ideas for maybe four great episodes and went "Oh, shit, but we gotta do like ELEVEN of these goddamn things!"), you can expect a lot of Adama Meltdowns and more flashbacks than the first season of "Lost", which means pretty much everyone who's ever been on the show at any time will be back. As it stands, they could have trimmed it down to one hellacious hour finale. Still, three more hours of BSG means less air time for "Moonlight" or that show where the blonde chick from "Stargate SG-1" pretends to be British." How is that better than what actually happened? That was predictable bullshit that was lifted off the IMDb boards. Just because you have "productions" in the latter half of your handle (in honor of BSG) doesn't mean you're an actual writer, you know, one who gets paid for their creative thoughts like RDM or Jane Espenson, it means you are a pretentious wannabe douchebag loser trolling on this board, unlike the rest of us wannabe douchebag losers who may or may not be trolling on this board.
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Her episode was by far the weakest of 4.5.<p> Anyone else find it bizarre after telling us in the intro for the first two-plus seasons that the Cylons "have a plan", we don't actually find out what the plan is until the show is over?
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The hostage and black market eps say otherwise.
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Free Will exists in the BSG universe; the presence of the In-Heads prove that. It's not Baltar or Caprica that provide the solution that ends the cycle: it's Apollo (insert irony that no else in the universe has apparently noticed but me) who does so. Yes, there was some direction that probably influenced the key decision. But the decision was still made. Those who reduce the ending to 'god did it' frankly need to take a philosophy course or something.
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I had my peace with the ending of BSG. But as quality SF is going to be extinct soon,(with only 1 year more Lost)I prefer any return to the BSG universe against all the new crap (Atlantis, V, Fast forward)that's coming up next season... Liked Caprica, but it's probably going to be buried after 1 season.....
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Colonials + Humanoid Cylons = Golgafrinchans
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Free will is an illusion in any universe. All beings are essentially biochemical robots who can never escape their programming. It doesn't matter if the programming is cultural or Biological it is ALWAYS there. <p>God, being a prime mover, would have laid the groundwork an eternity ago. God would not need to act in the present to cause something in the present to happen. Because god being omniscient and omnipotent has already observed every variable and taken them into account. Thus producing gods desired outcome. <p> Or it could be merely a Charles Stross type virtuality. Possible the BSG universe is a vast matroishka sphere computing device running various simualtions. These simulations are indistinguishable from reality. But there are bugs in the system. Those bugs result in discrepancies. Discrepancies the computer attempts to correct. Thus Starbuck reappears then disappears. <p> This also explains why it has happened before and will happen again. Each virtual BSG universe explores various variables. Each has subtle changes which may or may not create profound long term effects. <p> Factually we have no proof it will not happen again. We only have a limited perspective.
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You can ignore all the weepy chitty episodes, and go through the main storyline.
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they're scraping the bottom of the barrel, now, aren't they? the first couple of seasons - absolutely fantastic for many reasons, none greater than Baltar and the tack they were taking with him. The more the show went on, the less of Baltar we saw, and what we did see became less and less interesting. Shame.<p>The show lost me for good when the annoying Stands with a Fist did NOT die of cancer.
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I'm sick to death of people posting here like their opinion is fact. Yes, we know talkbacks are for opinion pieces, but the scale of some peoples' egos are just breathtaking. ArmageddonProductions, KillDozer, prbt - say what you like about Galactica, surely it kept you guessing, right til the end? i.baronvladimir - "The more the show went on, the less of Baltar we saw" - did you actually watch the same show as the rest of us??? Baltar's in it plenty. Least you had the smarts to say "The show lost me", and not "The show lost it". Galactica at least had plot originality, in *my* humble opinion.
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Wasn't there supposed to be an extended edition of Daybreak (final episode) on the DVDs and Blu Ray? Well on the UK versions of the final episode dvds there are is no extended edition. <p> I simply can't afford the Blu-ray set right now (Blu Ray is way overpriced...the Blu Ray of the Star Trek movie collection is twice the price of the dvd version...ridiculous) so I guess I'll have to wait until the price comes down or until the extended version shows up online somewhere. <p> By the way, I watched the last 10 episodes back to back today. While I know some complained about the final few episodes, when you watch them all together they really work well.
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Hell, this WAS the best freakin' show on TV. They addressed a lot of topics and managed to keep me staring at the tube. Some of the drama I've seen, a memorable love story (Lee/Starbuck), tackling the gray areas involving war, terrorism, nationalism, religion and working within the confines of the stigma attached to science fiction. They can crank out all the prequels they want and I'll be there so long as the original writers and creators have a hand in it.
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purchase the rights to BSG and then reboot Seasons 3 & 4??
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The thing is, I kept thinking there would never be any resolution to any of the mystical bullshit going on, but they pulled through at the end and explained pretty much everything. I know people wanted a scientific answer to everything, but that was practically impossible with the amount of craziness going on. As mentioned above, the nice thing is that you can skip over the dull episodes when you rewatch it on dvd, and I think the core story is very strong. I mean, look, Season 3 had the incredible new caprica arc, the cool stuff on that planet with the supernova, baltar being tortured, and the introduction of probably the most memorable bsg character with lampkin. Season 4 had a kickass opening and ending, the cyclon civil war, the fake earth and aftermath, and the really nice mutiny arc. I mean, if you skip over the episodes you know are filler, theres plenty of worthwhile material in both seasons.
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Yes, I agree that 90+% of all human decisions are 'predetermined' by unconscious factors. However, that does not imply predestination, as predestination encompasses all events in the universe: which sperm fertilizes an egg, which tv channel you accidentally switch to, or whether you date Fry after you flip a coin. If an external force is guiding things deliberately (in-heads, for example) then that means predestination at that level does not exist (of course, it is feasible that there is a higher level of predestination that even advanced beings are subjected to -- regardless, since the god we are speaking of in this context is not at that highest level, inasmuch as we know about the divinity in BSG there is no predestination).<p> And I still believe that Free Will does exist even when there's a large level of biological or cultural determinism. Lord knows there have been many times I've wanted to tear a troll a new one on this forum and resisted ;)
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I can't completely defend Season 3 (although I stood up and applauded Apollo's speech in Baltar's trial because it was the exact same shit I'd been saying in here for weeks), but the second half (The first half had too many pacing problems) of Season 4 was excellent in my opinion -- once you got over the fact that they weren't going to explain everything. Taken as "the final ten episodes" yes, they're lacking. But if you look at them as just another half-season, they're really compelling eps.<p> Excepting the Espenson-scribed one, of course.
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Ok...so I went on to the Amazon site to check out the box sets. Turns out the DVD version of the box set is everything you get in the individual US releases plus Caprica and dearer. <p> In fact its cheaoer to buy each season individually. You get the same extras. <p> Don't get me started on the Blu Ray set which actually costs more than an Xbox 360. <p> BUT....Season 4.5 is out in the UK and Ireland on dvd. It's labelled as "The Final Season" here. <P> Galactica DVDs are distributed by a company called Playback here and I have to say, what a load of shit. <p> The webisodes aren't on the set, the quality of the image is fucking awful (so much grain you could bake some bread), sure the podcast commentaries and weblogs are on it, but not much else. No extended editions, no Caprica...it's a piece of shit. <p> That is all.
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The thing they abandoned for the dreadful Final Five maguffin that plummeted the show into a directionless death-spiral for the last 1.5 seasons.
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Open wide, you whiny bitches.
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You are a fuckin loser! It jumped the shark in season 3, and you still watched up to the finale. At least i lost money when I watched the Star Wars prequels and Crystal Skull. You had a fuckin choice. And don't giv
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I mean, insufficient manhood aside, go read the talkback for the 4.5 Espenson ep. Even the strongest supporters of 4.5 were disappointed in it.
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Or in fairness, you just ignored me... Sigh... Welcome to the internet, where sanity is a distant memory!
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Jane Espensen has no place writing BSG. she was fucking fantastic on Buffy and Firefly but those shows suit her writing style. They should have gotten Weddle and Thompson for this not someone who wrote an episode that had the potential to be brilliant (Ellen reuniting with Saul, Final Five jumping away from the fleet, saul and caprica's baby) and she fucked it up big time. worst dialogue in BSg history. I almost hate that episode as much as black market if not more. IMO of course.
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I'm mad<p> You're mad
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Think about it, people didn't like her exposition. But this is gonna need a lot of exposition!
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Get yourself a loaded gun, place inside your mouth and then pull the trigger asshole.<BR><BR>You can then spend the afterlife glowing over Espenson leaving the rest of us down here to tell it like it is.<BR><BR>Dark Shite wtf are you talking about, is it a case of Shite by Name, Shite by Nature?
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Just like the rest of the show. As I said on the Bear Mcready TB, the show was always a blend of practical realism vs sipirtuality. <p> There was nothing in it to say 100% that they were being guided by God & it was done that way deliberately.
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Shut the fuck up with the insults, prick. It neither makes you look big nor clever to insult people behind a screen. Also, you might wanna learn the meaning of Sarcasm. I was joking, you dumb cunt.
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Than acting the big man on the internet, is doing it, then realising you were too dumb to understand that the person you're insulting agrees with you & was making a joke. Personally, I recommend you commit Seppuku.
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Sorry but exactly who the fuck are you, a regular on the BSG talkbacks..have I missed your fucking pearls of wisdom up until now.<BR><BR>How the fuck was anything you said in your post remotley indicative of the fact you might have been sarcastic you baby fucker.<BR><BR>Your another one who can kill himself cuntface...lol
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Baby fucker? <p> Fuck you. <p> You're scum.
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Insulting people just because they have a different opinion than you, that's up to you. <p> Let's face it, that's what you were doing. I was jokimng about Espensen, but if I wasn't, it would be my opinion. If your life is so lacking that you have to get your kicks insulting people just 'cause they have the power of free thought, that's your own tragedy.<p> Terms like baby fucker, that's just low. Deeply fucking wrong.
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good luck, sailor!
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Longer than me well its 2:16 in the a.m here in the Uk and I just got back in about half hour ago....so ok will give you that...you been here longer than me.<BR><BR>Why are you called Shite btw is it taken from something person or persons call you in real life, are you a bit of a shit as they say.<BR><BR>Is this some sort of Scat reference? were you the cameraman behind 2 girls and a cup?
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I don't think cable companies abide by sweeps... since sweeps months are when local affiliates/station set their ad rates. since SyFy has no local affiliates, November isn't a special month to them. (you all may continue your discussion now)
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it's on the streets
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Darling if you want me to
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Don't try to start something. You lack the wit or the intelligence. I'll run rings around you. I do it over & over again on this site. I'm pretty well known for it. <p> & these talkbacks aren't meant for just a small bunch of people, who start it then continue..like you said, time zones etc. People come & go & add their opinions. <p> I've been here for years, so don't question my participation. I could easily himiliate you further by having a poll..<p> How many people know The Dark Shite V how many know Medicinaluser. <p> I won't. I can't be bothered. But once thing you ned to learn is that if you wanna be dark & sarcastic here, that's cool. If you wanna mock someone or insult them in a conversation that's going that way, fine. I do both. You don't insule people just 'cause they say "I like epsensen as a writer" or something. Even if they were joking. That gets you a rep as a prick. <p> & you certainly don't call people Baby Fucker. <p> I'm from the U.K too, originally, hence my name. You should know what calling someone Baby fucker would get you on the street back home. That's not fucking cool.
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I tend to get a bit angry & write quickly when a Nonce calls me a Baby Fucker.
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I said something along the lines of Espensen would be good for this, becase everyone complained that she uses too much exposition. That's all. <p> As I said, it was a joke, but even if it wasn't, it's a person's opinion said with interest in the subject. <p> At times like that, when a person gives his or her opinion about the show, that's when you come back with a counter-argument, say what YOU think, give YOUR opinion & say why you disagree with the other person.<p> You just waded in like a cunt, throwing around names like Baby fucker. It shows you're a tool.<p> There are times when it's cool to do that on this site (but not the baby fucker part). It's partly why people enjoy the TBs. But there are times when you do it & times when you don't.<p> The insults thing is for when you're having either a big disagreement, or a jokey one. That's how the site works. Then, it's fine, sometimes even fun.<p> Doing it if someone likes a writer, just makes you look like a dumb cunt.
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Haha funny nonce and baby fucker being the same thing *yawn* <BR><BR> So all powerful and by your accounts well known Dark Shite...exactly what part of the Uk you from as am interested to know what calling someone a "baby fucker" would get them in your area.<BR><BR>I am thinking a slightly disgusted look and then you'd walk on doing FUCK all softlad.<BR><BR>Fucking asshole lecture from some cunt calling himself Shite...yeh thats really going to have an effect.<BR><BR>Run along now love run along
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You're a dick. I'm not rising to it. I could spend all day running rings around you. I will say I'm from the North East & where I come from calling someone "Baby Fucker" would get your throat cut. Seriously. Now get some sleep. It'll be back to school for you on Monday.
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Looking back on the last 4/5 episodes of season 4 before the final, still think they were poorly done in comparrison to the rest of the series. <p> A comment above mentions that maybe if you didnt expect answers, it might have been better, which I think is a fair call, but its hard to reign in your expectations when its generally been a high quality series. <p> The final for me, still mixed about it. Think it should have ended with Adama or Hera looking out across Earth. The Ron Moore reading the newspaper, the images of the modern robots and the in heads talking, was too blunt and silly for a generally intelligent show. <p> The plan, not holding my breath, but will give it a go, any will definetely go in with lowered expectations.
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to what I wrote a few posts up (before your last reply). Read that, learn how the site works, then come back.
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Just the dumb cunt above, who seems to be in the "OMG, I can call people names on AICN & get away with it" Excitement stage & doesn't know when to use it.
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You a Geordie bastard? please tell me your a toon supporter LMAO <BR><BR>Ok so you can run rings around me fine...but your pulling your skirt up and running off instead...ok fine actually been a wicked brill night until you started fucking rambling.
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KnowItAllFuckhead: thanks for bringing that up (and my goodness, I must've made quite an impact on you if you had to rifle through tons of old AICN posts just to stamp around and tell me how I got it wrong!), but you pretty much made my point for me. The ending you quoted me posting was actually about eighty times better than the ending that was actually televised. HOWEVER, that's not information that I manufactured, those are plot points that either weren't used, circulated so as "throw viewers off the trail" or just flat-out wrong. Re-read those posts for yourself; at no point do I state or argue with anyone that they're absolutely spot on. I ended both posts with "We'll know for sure on Friday." Are you hoping I cop to being wrong? I was wrong. Thanks for playing. I guess you got the "fuckhead" part of your name right, anyway.<p></p> Sicuv: I guess that would be almost as bad as someone who only watched the show for two seasons, as you claimed to have done, then, apparently, spends his or her spare time STILL trolling BSG-related talkbacks.
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& certainly not a Sid James' park attendee. I'm not going anywhere. I'm right here. <p> I just happen to be a big BSG fan & while there are other TBs where I'd happily spank you like a dirty cross-eyed bitch, I'm actually interested in this one.
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You started it ya knob! <p> I was talking BSG. You're the one who mentioned me by name & acted like a prick. "Wicked brill night"? You 12 yrs old or just a chav? If you're a chav, you might wanna buy a goldfish & get that to write for ya, 'cause it'll no doubt have a higher IQ than you.
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Mackem FTW?????????? lol<BR><BR>I pissed so fuck know what it says about your running rings around folk madskills if you having trouble getting rid of me<BR><BR>Good you staying anyway your Shiteness should never have to leave on the account of another.<BR><BR>Anyway back to Espenson she bloody awful or what...no she actually pretty shite.
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The words Sid James' park? <p> I'm not having problems getting rid of you. I'm not trying to. There does seem to be a gulf in intellect however, wherebvy you think it's about annoying me & me needing to get rid of you, whereas I don't actually give a fuck.Besides which, I'm eating & you're pissed. <p> Look, I don't like Espensen's writing on BSG either. Just be careful with the "Baby fucker" type insults. It won't do you any favours.
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Every week it was like A QUESTION WILL EB ANSWERED and all we got was Adama sitting in paint.
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... and by the way, whether I'm guilty of disseminating wrong information or not, I fail to see how that makes the last two seasons of BSG satisfying in any way, shape or form. I will agree with the other posters who claim that, as bad as it got, it was still better than a good 90 percent of the crap on television at the time. Even in the last run of episodes, stuff like the mutiny storyline was excellent ... but completely unnecessary. Bringing Starbuck back was unnecessary. Making five characters on the show arbitrary Cylons and then having to messily explain how such a thing was possible was unnecessary. And most of all, the entire second half of season 4 was probably unnecessary. They should have discovered Earth was a nuclear wasteland, as they did in the mid-season finale, and left it with that gut punch. It's like the ending to the original PLANET OF THE APES. Sure, you can show what happened to Charleton Heston after he discovers the Statue Of Liberty ... but you damn sure don't have to.
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I love the way put that. It's true..but still funny.
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The main question that got answered for me was "How is Kate Vernon making a living these days?"
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I disagree on the mutiny being unnecessary. Maybe Gaeta's involement was unnecessary, but The Zarek storyline had to come to a conclusion one way or another, as did a lot of the side stories, before the big resolution, otherwise there would have been so many strands left just hanging. <p>
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Right fuck yeah man I just noticed that aswell aw fuck Dark Shite and to think you making things so easy for me and yet all I seem to want to do is be an asshole.<BR><BR>Here a joke to cheer you<BR><BR>A Mackem walked into the local DSS office, marched straight up to the counter and said "I’m lookin" for a job.". <BR><BR> The man behind the counter replied "Your timing is amazing. We’ve just got a listing from a very wealthy man who wants a chauffeur for his daughter. You’ll have to drive around in a big black Mercedes, uniform provided. Because of the long hours of this job meals will also be provided and once a year you will also be required to escort the young lady on her overseas holiday. The salary is £30,000 a year."<BR><BR> The Mackem said "Nah, you’re bullshittin" me!". <BR><BR> The man behind the counter said "Well you started it !". <BR><BR>Did you enjoy that..was good yah can we be friends now(just dont beg me for money) well.....can we?
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I'll give ya that. <p> I'm cool. Just didn't like the baby fucker thing. <p> Not gonna hold your hand to school though.
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cf. earlier comments re: 'we're all mad down here'
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it was all a done by a magical entity that can do anything it wants without explanation. There, I saved you 1:20 plus commercials of your time.
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why am I watching someone who pointed their goddamn towards the tv? isn't there a proper capture somewhere?
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that's what I mean
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needs more neutered suspenfulllessness.
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The mini series was a beautiful piece of work. I was absolutely floored by it, but after season 2 it started to drone on a bit. A few hit or miss episodes with just enough to keep me coming back for the eventual end. The finale was too long, drawn out and not enough answers. The constant questioning of who is and isn't a Cylon from week to week was painful to watch. The revealing of one at a time, Lucy Lawless for instance, was outstanding work. But the unveiling of the five at one time lost my faith and seemed like they were hurriedly running to the finish line of the show. The story got to where it needed to go. Leave it alone.
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Her writing works for lighter-weight shows like BUFFY, but the episodes she wrote for BSG were consistently weaker than what other writers produced. Yes, some writers shat out some stinkers, but not with the regularity that Espenson did. As a result, I am a bit worried about how THE PLAN will turn out. I'll see this one way or another, but I hope this isn't another lesser effort from a series that on balance I really enjoyed.
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That always one of my strongest memories of the first episode of Battlestar after the miniseries. Why 33 minutes? I guess it doesn't really matter why particularly, but still, I'm just glad to hear them mention that again. Details like that are fun. Looking forward to this, still love me some BSG, and the finale was fantastic, IMO
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heh those crazy pigeons
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Too late now, but IMO the best place to insert BG: The Plan would have been as a teaser after Season 2.5 and prior to Season 3. As much as Dean Stockwell's bravura piece of exposition in Lay Down Your Burdens Pt.2 did the job of explaining the Cylons abandoning the Twelve Colonies... something about it felt unfinished. It would have been truly interesting to roll back at that point and see what the Cylon mindset was just prior to the initial attack.<P>I'm hoping The Plan will show a small degree of trepidation on the part of the Cylons and fill in that particular blank spot. Regardless, it's gonna pull down big ratings. BSG fans may bitch & moan now, but when the time comes...
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<p>mini series, superb. the first season was brilliant. i mean fucking superb. then again, we did see the series in the UK before the US. season 2 * meh* not so much season 3, the pegasus storyline, good stuff. season 4, the final ep. that's a long drought between the end of season 1 and the final ep.</p> <p>I've watched the first episode of caprica. and you know what as a single episode it neatly wraps up how the cylons came into being. seriously. there is no need for a 5 season tv series of life on caprica. that sole episode was a good enough explanation
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She was in every fucking episode while Starbuck and Lee were off somewhere else. Kinda shitty.
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Then buy the Region 1, so I get all the extras. Fuck 'Playback' and their shitty collections.
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LL+ Starbuck & Lee Adama= too much ammo for any given episode. I hear you, mate. I suggest you watch Episode 3.9 (Unfinished Business) on DVD (BSG Season 3, Disc 3). It fills in the missing pieces of the Lee Adama/Starbuck relationship.
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...And chat.
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June 14, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST
I thought it had finished? Money for old fucking rope.
by alucardvsdracula
Loved the series it was a blinder, but now they're taking the piss. They're already doing Caprica which I don't really get either. They made a perfectly decent, occasionally brilliant series, simply adding more and more redundant episodes ain't gonna do nothing but taint the memory of a good show.
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Ever watch the original The Vanishing? Raymond Lemorne whole story about saving the girl being idolized by his daughter then wondering if he could do something truly evil in theory represents free will. But in fact he could never conceive of it unless the potential existed within him to begin with.
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A BSG Talkback!<p> Just kidding, I love you guys.
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I agree that the mutiny storyline was at least somewhat necessary overall ... just not in the last ten or so episodes of the show. In fact, it would have fit in a lot better inside of the first two seasons, maybe even the third season (instead of trials and boxing matches). As it is, it ate up two of the last ten episodes and did nothing to advance the series towards its ending.</p><p> The last half of the fourth season, in order to justify its existence, should have been a well-thought-out continuous storyline that wrapped up the series' loose ends. Instead, we got exposition overload over the course of a couple of episodes that did nothing but raise yet more questions, the person who emerged as the central antagonist (Cavil) blow his own brains out with virtually no preceding conflict (he shows up on the bridge of the Galactica, adds a little more exposition, figures he's screwed and saves the humans a lot of time by offing himself), a deus ex machina in the form of "All Along The Watchtower" that somehow magically spirited the colonists from the Cylons' secret base to our Earth, a LITERAL deus ex machina in the form of Starbuck (and the in-heads), that defied both explanation and the show's early conceit of being both gritty and realistic, and the early gut-punch of them finding their "Earth", which, as it turned out, was not OUR Earth, and therefore, pretty close to meaningless, except as a mid-season cliffhanger. Ending it with discovering Earth, OUR Earth, except that we had destroyed it in a global nuclear conflict thousands of years earlier, would have been a much more satisfying conclusion and had a great deal more meaning.
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It's basically a clip show that bridges key scenes throughout the series together, but largely from Cavill's POV. It worked out pretty well, since it was put together as an afterthought. Jane did a great job. First act is all mayhem as the Cylons unleash the attack on the colonies that should have been seen in the Miniseries. Pretty FX heavy.
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"Let's blow up all our ships!"...WTF? Let's just blow the human race back to the stoneage while the cylons cruise the univers and dominate? Lamest shit ever.
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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So they find a planet, and then leave themselves defenceless, without any kind of technology, any means (other than primitive and basic) of taking care of themeselves, no medical supplies, no way of making even basic stuff such as clothing...<P> That ending was so fucking AWFUL it could only have gotten worse. Finding out that the Cylons then created society on Earth as we know it - not so much Jumping The Shark as Flogging A Dead Shark To Death Then Clusterfucking It Back To Life And Fucking It To Death Again. I've never seen anything more senseless this century than that fucking stupid finale.<P> I'm sure, however, that Russell T Davies will show the BSG showrunners how you REALLY Jump (and then clusterfuck) A Shark when you see the last ever RTD / Tennant episode. My expectations cannot be any lower than they are for that. He's gonna make the ending of BSG look like Citizen fucking Kane in comparison.
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http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=1123841
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My guess is that the BSG writers were making reference to Cortés scuttling his ships in 1519, in order to eliminate any option of retreat in the "New World". My point is that there is historical precedent for this which plays into the "All this happened before and all this will happen again..." story device.
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Of course the feedback on 4.5 was poor...everyone in every profession everywhere has failures/offdays, but it is hardly a reason to condemn the body of a television writer's work. What irritates me are a bunch of self-professed "experts" who weigh in on someone's overall writing or narrative skill when they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about and are just pissed off about an episode they didn't like and which they took WAY too personally. As for medicinaluser...when one does not know of what one speaks, one's mouth is best used for sucking. I think sticking a revolver in my mouth and blowing my head off might be a tad severe for a mere disagreement in opinion. But, if these talkbacks are how you deal with your rage issues and make yourself feel superior, by all means, keep posting moronic bullshit.
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The most hard assed character on the show became such a pussy after he found out that he was a cylon.
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I like my Futurama argument better.
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prior to that he was one of the best villians on tv
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so Head-Six and Head-Balter were angels...and Starbuck was an angel too but she was a different kind of angel that didn't know she was an angel and everyone could see her?
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just for the scene where Tyrol killed Tori, and Cavil shot himself. Hilarious!
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Yeah... I had a hard time getting my head around those character arcs too. I think RDM and the gang were going for some kind of elegant ambiguity, but it didn't work for me. <P> In the miniseries Head6 says "We will find you" to Baltar after the Colonial Fleet escapes the Cylon strike force - implying that she is somehow connected to the Cylons. RDM dropped this aspect of her character in subsequent seasons and shoehorned the whole angel thing into the latter episodes. <P> Ultimately, I thought most of the finale was superb (I actually think controversial series conclusions are better than having a series end all wrapped up with a big bow), but I still have a hard time with the "angel" stuff. I think they BSG: The Plan will touch on this and offer an explanation with more closure.
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Somehow I partially erased the last paragraph of my post. It should read: "Ultimately, I thought most of the finale was superb (I actually think controversial series conclusions are better than having a series end all wrapped up with a big bow), but I still have a hard time with the "angel" stuff. I think they could have done better. I hope BSG: The Plan will touch on this and offer an explanation with more closure."
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I,too, patiently sat through season 4 assuming that it would all be resolved and explained in the series finale, and was sorely disappointed. It's rare that a finale can disappoint so much as to reduce what came before. Anyway, I read the "Final Five" comic books (the last issue isn't out yet), and they're fantastic, giving lots of answers that the series didn't (what happened on Kobol and Earth, what the Head People were, who Pythia was, what happened to the 13th tribe, what resurrected Kara Thrace was, and so on). Great stuff for people who expected answers to those kinds of questions. I hope they'll make that into a TV movie someday. Anyway, I'm looking forward to "The Plan". Dean Stockwell is great.
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Dude, you can't leave me hanging like that... I am curious to hear the details (I had no idea these comics existed). <P> Throw up a SPOILER ALERT and fill me in would ya!
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If you were any more of a tease, you'd be Harry, with his "I know who the Final Seven Directors of the Next PREDATOR are!" list. C'mon, man, give! Don't hold out on us!!!
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Oh my! Aren't we a creative species these days...
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Yeah, we know. We knew that three episodes ago.
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WHO GIVES A SHITE ABOUT THIS FUCKING TRAINWRECK OF A SHOW. EASILY THE WORST FUCKING FINAL SEASON AND FINAL EPISODE IN TELEVISION HISTORY.
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because nobody frackin' cares about this frackin' show any frackin' moore. it dropped off the radar so fast people thought it "jumped". It's going to go down in Tv history as one of the worst series finales ever made, and it's stars will be signing at conventions for the next 30 years trying to live off it's corpse with $5 signed photos. FRACKIN FRAKTASTIC FRAKABILLY. Now go FRACK yourself FRACKERS (with cheese and salami)
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My argument is based on Determinism and Fatalism.
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"There's nothing, including whining, bitching, crying, attempting (and a sad attempt, at that) to appear learned and intellectual (and apparently therefore worthy of greater consideration LOL) that will change that"...<P> Firstly, a well-structured and properly argued refutation, backed up by well-reasoned and intelligent analysis of the episode in question will ALWAYS be more worthy of consideration than "OMG FFS YOU SUUUUUCKXXXX" arguments.<P> Secondly, just because "'Daybreak' is the finale and there's not a damn thing any of you can do to change that", does NOT mean that you are right and the haters are wrong. Just because the finale has been made, does not mean that it has been made WELL. The haters have made many decent arguments, most based around the (correct) assumption that the finale made no sense out of Pythia, who/what Starbuck was/is, how the whol "Head6 / Head Baltar" thing works, etc etc ad infinitum... The problem is, the lack of explanation showed up what REALLY happened with the finale: RDM had NO IDEA where he was going or what he was doing with this show and the mysteries he created. It's exactly the same as with Russell T Davies and that "Bad Wolf" bollocks that he teased all through the Eccleston and Tennant tenures in DOCTOR WHO, and which mean absolutely fuck all in the final analysis. It's not clever writing, it's covering up for the fact that they had no answers to the questions they posed. And after watching all that shit about Jacob and his opposite number in the LOST S5 finale, I am wondering whether the Darlton actualy know where they're going with their program too...<P> In short, sauron: Give me a well reasoned argument and I'll listen to you. Otherwise, you're just barking at the moon, son.
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What the fuck is this "teleplay" shit? I don't care what the marketing department want to call it this week, it's a fucking script. "Teleplay"... FFS!
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It was embarrassing and made no sense. They both went out like chumps.
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I intensely disliked Seasons 4 and 5 of BSG. However, I thought the finale was better than it had any right to be. While character actions in the series were frequently mercurial and contrived, it was nice to see some actual human emotion and action at the end. Tyrol choking Tori was his only in-character action for a long time. <p> At first I thought them sacrificing all their tech and dispersing was unlikely. However, I can completely see these folks wanting to get the hell as far away from each other as possible after years of essential confinement. <p> But I would have been just as happy had they appended the finale to the end of any of the previous seasons.
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Apparently, "Daybreak" ISN'T the finale of BSG, since there's both "The Plan" and "Caprica" coming down the pike, as well as spin-off comics and tie-in novels, and if there's anyone dumb enough to stick around after all that, I'm sure "BSG: The Earth Years", where the marooned colonists get to teach the Neanderthals how to make fire and fight off wooden Cylons, isn't all that far off.</p><p> "Daybreak" was terrible. When you require comics, novels, a movie-length tie-in and a prequel series to explain something that was horribly set up in four seasons of your show, you've done something wrong. If you wish to pretend you got something that virtually no one else did, good for you.
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I think people just didn't want a happy ending. Thats all it boils down too.
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this show was awesome.
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... but he/she is better than that Irish character upthread who was offended that people posted opinions about the show after he/she explicitly told them not to.
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I'm a tease? OK. :-D The Battlestar wiki has summaries of the first three issues: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica:_The_Final_Five_1 http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica:_The_Final_Five_2 http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica:_The_Final_Five_3 Hope that helps. :-)
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You Da' Man!
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The beginning of BSG mentions that the Cyclons look like us and mentions "they have a plan." <p> Other than attacking the 12 colonies in the mini-series, they didn't actually seem to have a plan. Seems odd that we're finally learning of one AFTER the show has finished. <p> Overall, I liked the run of BSG. I think Season 3 were okay. They had some good concepts at points. I didn't like how religous the show became. And it seemed they didn't have a real handle on Apollo or Starbuck as charcters. They jumped personalities almost on an episode-episode basis. Whatever the plot required, one of them would do. <p> Overall, it was a great show, though. And I thought the finale was rather well done. I thought it had something for everyone, action and thoughful reflection.
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90%, you say? Do you care to enlighten us on how you came to that number?
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Except that that album was an audio documentary, and the events were recorded in real time.
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does anybody care anymore? Other than Edward James Olmos. I don't believe the cylons ever had a plan, they were kind of pathetic.
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He whines about BSG's "Weepy shitty episodes" when the entire seasons 2, 3 and 4 of Lost consisted of just that. Actually you could argue the entire series so far has only been weeping and love triangles with the exception of your occasional explosion. Fool.
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