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UPDATED with actual trailer! Capone has seen the teaser for Michael Moore's still-untitled doc about the economic crisis!!!

Capone here again. Our friends of at TrailerAddict got a hold of Michael Moore's new teaser trailer. Here it is!
Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here. So I get a note floated to me from someone representing Overture Films the other day saying they would like me to come to a special sneak peek at what I suppose could be called a teaser trailer for Michael Moore's still-untitled documentary, set for release October 2. I know as much as anybody what the film is about. According to a release from Overture and Paramount Vantage, Moore's new film examines "the root causes of the global economic meltdown and takes a comical look at the corporate and political shenanigans that culminated in what Moore has described as 'the biggest robbery in the history of this country'--the massive transfer of U.S. taxpayer money to private financial institutions." I guess the real question is, Are Americans or any citizen of the world ready to laugh at a meltdown that we're still in the midst of? I'm more intrigued by the "corporate and political shenanigans" aspect of this film. This is what Moore does best--he goes after these chairmen, CEOs, and elected officials and makes them talk to him whether they want to or not. It's been 20 years since ROGER & ME introduced us to Moore's brand of documentary filmmaking--aggressive, opinionated, antagonistic, informative, and, yes, biased. So let me tell you about what I saw this evening… The Overture folks actually bought me a ticket for PELHAM 1 2 3. After telling them there was no way in hell I was sitting through that movie again, they told me that for this one showing only in Chicago (as well as showing in New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C.), they were attaching this teaser trailer/special message for Moore's new movie. The clip is just Moore addressing the audience directly. The funny thing is that as part of the trailer/commercial package before the leading up to Moore's piece, we saw one of those Will Rogers Institute PSAs, and Moore's plea struck a very similar tone. He begins, "Hi, I'm Michael Moore. Instead of using this time to tell you about my new movie, I'd like to take a moment and ask you to join me in helping our fellow Americans." He goes on to talk about how the down economy has hurt so may people, and how there are folks relying on government assistance who never have before. He ends by asking the audience to reach into our pockets to lend a hand. While he's talking, the camera is slowly pulling back from just a head-and-shoulders shot to reveal Moore holding a white collection can with the words, "Save Our CEOs" printed on it. "Ushers will be coming down the aisles to collect your donations for Citibank, Bank of America, AIG, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and a host of other needy banks and corporations," he continues. "Now, I know what you're thinking, 'I already gave at the bailout," and I know you did." Eventually Moore tells us that we should give some more because it'll make us feel good. At this point in the theater, the lights came up, and, sure enough, people in "Save Our CEOs" t-shirts with collection cans started marching up and down the aisles rattling their nearly empty vessels. The spot ends with four title cards: Michael Moore; The New Movie; Coming Soon; and This time it's personal. I'm not sure what the plans are to roll this teaser out, but if Moore is still undecided about a title, I actually love SAVE OUR CEOs. Obviously, I have no idea what the exact thrust of his film will be, but the audacity of such a title would be right in step with the stories we're hearing about millions of dollars in bailout money being used for executive bonuses or retreats. Anyway, it's a wickedly funny spot that hopefully you'll get a chance to see very soon. -- Capone

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  • June 13, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    We're fucked!

    by Aphex Twin

    Why Moore doesn't just come outright and use this for a movie title I'll never know. His documentaries are always so negative. It'll be ok Michael...have a cookie.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    well, now moore has gotten his wish

    by babblerouser

    call it "Obama and Me"

  • June 13, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    He's a jackass!

    by Lashlarue

    Where's a real humanitarian like Glenn Beck when you need him? <p> "I'm... I'm sorry. I just love... this country.(sniffle) And I just hate... to see what's happening to it." <p> pussy

  • June 13, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST


    by Aphex Twin

    Call it "Pennies for the Pretentious"

  • June 13, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    will he be bitching

    by babblerouser

    about GM getting bailed out after the unions dragged 'em to the grave... me thinks not.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    All of Moore's causes

    by Subaculta

    have been good ones to get behind... he just seems so damn smug, and the self importance dripping off of him is palpable.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    you other posters are mad at the wrong guy

    by radam04

    for the wrong reasons

  • June 13, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    that's not self importance dripping..

    by babblerouser

    it's gravy.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST


    by babblerouser

    it's really hard to not like a guy who makes a name for himself, standing on the sidelines complaining after others have already suffered

  • June 13, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Inside Moore's brain

    by Aphex Twin

    Hatred for the GOP <p> Must find a sobbing laid off employee of one of the Big 3 to exploit <p> Denny's Grand Slam Breakfast

  • June 13, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    the only thing positive that will come from moore

    by babblerouser

    it a diabetes test

  • June 13, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by Trannyformers_Apologist

  • June 13, 2009, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Nikke Finke has the teaser up...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...for now.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Will he dig up Charlton Heston's corpse...

    by Monkeybrains

    and take the gun out of his cold dead hand? <p> Dum ass fucking useless lying piece of shit. <p> Any one who actually can believe anything this fuck head says after all his misinformation deserves a dick up their ass. <p> " I don't have to tell the truth, just tell my opinion and make it seem like the truth" M. Moore

  • June 13, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    nah, he'll find Lenin's corpse and start dry humping it

    by babblerouser

    until he rolls over and dies from a heart attack. fin

  • June 13, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Just Watch the Frontline docs.

    by deathbunny32

    Aside from humor, I doubt this movie will provide anything the 5-7 documentaries already on the subject provide.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    That's the problem- people don't watch real documentaries.

    by Flim Springfield

    Moore has to make his films jokey and sensationalist to get people to watch them. It's a shame, but at least he gets the issues out there to the masses.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Moore is a Fucking Fuck

    by blairmonster

    What an idiot. So he's going to slam Obama for giving away billions of our taxpayer dollars to corporations with no accountability, right? Oh wait - he'll find a way to blame that on Ronald Reagan. I paid to see one of this fucking fuck's "films" - never again. This fucking fuck can go toss the salad of a dead horse for all I care.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:13 a.m. CST

    the issue out to the masses? really

    by babblerouser

    that's like saying "it's a good thing there was a ref watching while those two retarded kids fought"... he is the ref and we all know retarded kids shouldn't be fighting. He just likes to put himself in the middle of an obvious mess.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST


    by Melvin_Pelvis

    vote you a $200 mil bonus if you vote me a $200 mil bonus<p> Oh and we should actually go into the office sometime next week<br> The week after at the latest

  • June 13, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    The Fall of the American Empire

    by Chain

    Greed and Corruption Gluttony and Arrogance We've lost control and the monster is loose. The great lie revealed.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST

    greeg, corruption, glottony, and arrogance..

    by babblerouser

    are you descibing america or michael moore?

  • June 13, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Yeah, the Iraq War was a great idea and no one needs health care

    by Flim Springfield

    And you guys think Moore is the idiot?

  • June 13, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    it doesn't take an idiot to point out

    by babblerouser

    the negative issues on the table - all it takes is a pulse and an 8mm...and a baseball cap.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    i hope my tax money went to a well deserving CEO family

    by BMacSmith

    i hope they can afford to buy that second yacht now. god bless em!

  • June 13, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    the federal imperial govt has been blowing tax money FAevAH

    by babblerouser

    ..and now you yutzes get yer panties in a wad? little late to the party ain't ya?

  • June 13, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Here is the trailer!

    by Herb West

    Watch it quick before it's gone. <p>

  • June 13, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Privatise Profit Socialize Risk

    by Relugus

    Is the mantra of our elites. Wall Street does not want government touching their sacred profits, but they have no qualms about sponging off the taxpayer. The bailouts were welfare handouts for the rich. And then there's the Spentagon, which is ass-raping the US taxpayer with its pointless and obsolete weapons programs, with its ridiculous, farcically huge budget. Spending more than the rest of the world on defence is unnecessary, wasteful and stupid. If social welfare lost $2 trillion dollars of taxpayers money conservatives would be screaming murder, but the Pentagon does it and no one says a word. The millitary industrial complex is bleeding America dry. Eisenhower warned the American people and they are paying the price for not heeding his warnings.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I mean, that's what liberals like michael do to fix problems

    by babblerouser

    take SOMEONE ElSES money and give it to someone who made BAD choices....hmmmm.. this sure sounds familiar. And now yer complaining on the model you've preached since the new deal - HA! awesome.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:47 a.m. CST

    whenever I can't make a point..

    by babblerouser

    i like to use the term "military industrial complex".. good, now i feel better.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    by digital8

  • June 13, 2009, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Quentin Hardy

    by Relugus At about 2:45 he tells it like it is, and cuts through the BS. Wall Street were bailed out because Republicans and Democrats are owned by the bankers. Bank employees should be barred from all branches of government, people like Paulson and Geithner have too many conflicts of interest.

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  • June 13, 2009, 2 a.m. CST

    THE TRAILER ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    by digital8

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    by digital8

  • June 13, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    More biased shit then?

    by The Dark Shite

    Moore has to be the most one-sided, biased documentary film-maker around. He manipulates the facts to suit his argument & leaves out anything that might contradict his own opinion.<p> The classic one being when he gave a list of the so-called "Co-alition of the willing", omitting all the countries with power. It was needless & fucking insulting & I say that as someone who was against the Iraq war.<p> The irony is, the kind of people he goes after are so fucking bad, they'd show themselves for what they are without having to resort to such tactics, which are designed to appeal to people who wanna feel smart by watching a documentary, but actually don't know shit about anything.<p> Compare Moore to John Pilger. Now THAT's a documentary maker!

  • June 13, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Uh I saw it ahead of the Taking of Pelham 123

    by CherryValance

    and I live in the boonies. *shrug*

  • June 13, 2009, 2:12 a.m. CST

    I didn't like how he betrayed Nader.

    by mitortilla

    Fuckin' Fat Pussy!!! lost all credibility.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Maybe I am the only one

    by marcspector

    Maybe I am the only one but when you know someone has an agenda it makes me put up my guard. It really is hard to sit back, relax and enjoy propaganda.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    You're not the only one, marcspector

    by The Dark Shite

    I said the same about 3 comments up. <p> Everything he does is biased & has an agenda. <p> Once he sets his sights on a subject, he'll always make sure the finished film shows whatever his opinion is, instead of the facts. <p> It's also worth noting, that he makes a lot of stuff up. As far as I'm concerned, a film like fahrenheit 911 is equally as guilty of spin as the people he was trying to expose.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:40 a.m. CST


    by mev186

    Because the news networks don't have an agenda or bias ;)

  • June 13, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    But mev186..

    by The Dark Shite

    GOOD documentary makers have no bias at all.<p> Speaking as a Brit, I can see how Micheal Moore might seem like a beacon of truth compared to the big business-sponsored bullshit Americans get spponfed on their so called "News" programmes, but he's not much better. <p> If anything, he does the same thing, just from the opposite viewpoint. Clowns to left of me, jokers to the right..

  • June 13, 2009, 3 a.m. CST

    I hope the Fat Fuck has a Heart Attack!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    That's right, I said it. I hope fat fuck Moore has a giant heart attack at the premiere of this new shitfest and then needs major health care to pull through.<p>Then we can air lift his ginormous carcass to Cuba and we'll see how much he praises their socialized system over ours THEN. Or gee, do you suppose the rich shit (who continually likes to pretend he isn't wealthy and is just an "average joe" like you or me) will cry his eyes out and demand to be treated here in American hospitals using OUR health system?<p>Yeah, that's right, Michael. You're a hypocritical douchebag and I'm looking right at you...

  • June 13, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by DeevBach

    I hope you have a heart attack, there, I said it.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    I'm with DarkShite, marcspector

    by BenBraddock

    I used to think a lot of Moore but recently it's become harder, his films are so slanted. They actually lose through being so biased - even though I very often agree with his general argument, it's getting harder and harder to defend his lack of impartiality.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Michael Moore

    by conniebrean1

    offered millions of dollars for anyone who could find one factual error in Fahrenheit 9/11. No one has collected yet. Sure he's got an agenda, but he's not wrong.

  • June 13, 2009, 4:38 a.m. CST

    The problem with Moore..

    by The Dark Shite

    Isn't in what he says, it's in the way he edits & chops up statements to make them look rediculous, essentially taking quotes out of context. <p> The way he manipulates facts/ommits anything that might show his targets in a good light, or even a normal one. <p> Earlier, I gave the easiest example (because I haven't seen the film for a while), where he mocks the co-alition by reading out small countries. I can't remember the exact ones he mentions, but for example, it was like "Luxembourg, Belgium, Lithuania" etc. That one stands out in my memory, because it was a hack thing to do. Anyone with half a brain would see the blatant bias in not mentioning the key allies, who are substantially more powerful & useful. It also exposed him for having(whisper it), a pretty neo-con view of the world.<p> Like BenBraddock, politically, I'm on Moore's side. But I don't need deceit to fight my battles, when the truth speaks for itself.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:47 a.m. CST

    EVERYONE has an agenda...

    by SnapT

    ...and Michael Moore's documentaries are obviously EDITORIAL films meant to entertain as well as enlighten. Chill out, people.

  • June 13, 2009, 6:45 a.m. CST

    No they don't..

    by The Dark Shite

    John Pilger doesn't have an agenda.<p> The BBC doesn't have an agenda & is legally bound to never have one.<p> It's just as possible to entertain without changing the facts, as it is to make an argument without slanting the truth. <p> Besides, the guy's an idiot. He used to have TV shows in the U.K, before he found a subject controversial enough to make him enough money to buy a 3rd world country. <p> In one of those shows, he'd invite people to call in. It was around the time when one of the Kennedys went missing at sea. I don't know which one. I didn't really care much.<p> I can distinctly remember Moore talking about the Kennedys & then looking down on the people of the U.K for having a monarchy.<p> His point seemed to be that having a Monarchy is unfair/ how unjust it is that they get special treatment & how much better the system in the U.S is. Then he went back to the search for this Kennedy guy. <p> I thought to myself "You don't even realise it's the same fucking thing, do you?". <p> They don't have titles or crowns, but it's the same thing. How many Planes, Helicopters & Navy ships would be out searching for a normal guy for that long? <p> Moore just forms opinions, based on nothing more than whatever thoughts pop into his head at the time, then does everything he can to back himself up & influence opinion to match his own.<p> He's like the loud, obnoxious bloke in the pub, who won't let something drop until he's proven himself right & everyone else wrong.

  • June 13, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    U2 -- Save the Yuppies concert 1987

    by Wookie_Weed

    U2 pulled a stunt like this 22 years ago in San Francisco, staging a Save The Yuppies concert to help all the CEOs who lost money in the 1987 Wall St Crash. Yeah, they're mega-rich now, but they give more than they take. Unlike the parasite puppetmasters at the Bilderberg meeting who pull your strings...

  • June 13, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    The Millitary industrial complex

    by TheBloop

    The Millitary is one of the only parts of the government that is actually well run. It also provides much the technology advancements for the private sector, the internet, satellite communications, the kidney machine, etc. If you want to talk about someone bleeding the country dry with no return on investments, look at the department of education.

  • June 13, 2009, 6:57 a.m. CST


    by Franklancer

    if he does not go after bawney fwank and chris dodd, the whole thing will be a biased political hit piece.. you now.. like his other propamentaries..

  • June 13, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    I hope he blames Obama too and not just Bush

    by neoufo51

    Because the only "change" I see from Obama is his skin color. Obama's economic and foreign policy hasn't differed from what Bush did. More of the same bullshit.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    This is about as comforting as Cinnamon toast....

    by Gus Van Rant

    Covered with full blown AIDS.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Blame Obama?!

    by Wookie_Weed

    Did I miss something, was he part of Bush Co the past eight years? Seriously, don't blame a man who's barely been in office for six months for the corruption and greed of the previous admin's eight years. Read Naomi Klein, she knows what's going on -- it's the SHOCK DOCTRINE. Global weapons sales hit over FOUR TRILLION US DOLLARS the past year. War is big business.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    not in the mood to laugh about this

    by animas

    being robbed isn't funny.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    goldman sachs?

    by Deeber

    my brother works fro GS...they didn't want to take the bailout money...obama said they had to. they are giving every penny back.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Yes, Blame Obama, because he's as much a crook as Bush

    by neoufo51

    These bailouts are meant to destroy our nation's economy. Not fix it.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Moore is a Douche...

    by richievanderlow

    and I can't believe he is actually going to speak badly about Obama. This will be the fault of Bush, I'm sure. Moore hasn't made a documentary yet.. they're all agenda pushing films. Until he grows up and learns to be objective, which is never going to happen, I won't be seeing any of his movies.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Deja Vu

    by Chaosinabox

    Didn't he do this bit on TV Nation back in 1994? And then again on The Awful Truth in 1999?

  • June 13, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Sometimes I think Moore is just a tool of government

    by neoufo51

    To popularize the ideals of socialism, which will allow the government to run every part of our lives...

  • June 13, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    by Gh0ulardi

  • June 13, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Ain't It Old News™

    by Gh0ulardi

    i now see that digital8 has already linked this but i had to go ahead and do it again just b/c obviously it's not like AiCN would ever update this article to bring this to our attention. <br><br>why are you guys so behind lately in the movie news? <br><br>every other movie site scoops you on every single story and then when you guys get around to posting your blurb about whatever the tidbit is your always blissfully unaware at how behind you are.

  • June 13, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST


    by Gh0ulardi

    you wouldnt've had to have typed a whole trailer description<br>if you had just went on and checked youtube b4 you published this article, maybe then you could at least have embedded it with your story.<br><br>(sorry for bein' a cranky troll, i've been up all fucking night partying and now i'm @ work.)

  • June 13, 2009, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Can he shoot it and avoid critcizing The Teleprompter?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Ah, of course he can. Make sure the DVD has an Austrian audio track, Mikie!

  • June 13, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Maybe its me...

    by Grendel745

    Here's the thing, I despise big business and corporate greed, I hate political corruption and love conspiracy theories. So I should be Moore's biggest fan. While I do like his movies, I view them as just that...movies. In much the same way I view Lord of the Rings or Mega-Shark vs. Giant Octopus. I find them entertaining, but I'm smart enough to not take them as gospel truth. Think of them as "based on actual events" and you'll be fine.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Ten bucks says...

    by RogueWarrior65

    He'll totally ignore the fact that people like Barney (potatoes-in-his-mouth) Frank, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Acorn started this cascade of dominoes. Everyone else was simply playing hot potato, passing off the crap to the next schmuck in the chain because they could and the tax-payers got stuck with it all because there was nobody left to pass it to.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Pathetic sack of suet

    by Sexicutioner

    This D-bag needs to choke to death on Barney Franks tiny little bean bag.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by redfist

    there is enough blame to go around, what the fuck does Jimmy Carter have to do with it all? Did I miss a memo? How does he effect policy in America, after being out of office for 30 years?

  • June 13, 2009, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Agreed MM is a D-bag

    by redfist

    But the again, so am I.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Let me fucking guess....hmmm...

    by bobbofatz

    Its US and American greed that caused the melt down? It is our fault and Georges fault also and mostly. Right Moore? It is a broken fucking record. How about making a film of true terrorism or genocide in places like Darfur. Where thousands of people are executed for what ever reason. Moore dont have the balls to tackle the inconvenient truth of what is really wrong with the world. You all know this. Lets collectivly tell moore to fuck off+10.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    So he's flamboyant. Big deal. He takes on the power brokers fearlessly. Is he perfect? Are you? What have you done for the poor and disenfranchised lately?

  • June 13, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Documentaries are a Point of View

    by styles99

    Hate to say it, but all documentaries have a certain POV. Yes, he can try and approach one as unbiased as possible, but as a filmmaker, the second you make a decision to place an edit, you are a personal decision. The moment you decide to leave one clip in, and another clip out, you are deciding what you personally think it important and what isn't. That is a Point of view. Go watch the Christmas Log burning if you want unbiased filmmaking....

  • June 13, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    But he'd have to go full serious. I would be hard pressed to see any lightness or humor in that situation. <P> At least we have The Devil Came On Horseback. That is quite powerful.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Man, shut the fuck up already.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "If that show hadn't brainwashed people into buying a house we would not be in this mess."

  • June 13, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Right with you Bobbofatz

    by Sexicutioner

    It seems that there aren't nearly as many loony lefty lib's around here anymore claiming the U.S. is to blame for everything. FUCK OFF Moore!!!

  • June 13, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by bobbofatz

    He is such a propagandist. Any social idealism for enough money. He hates the idea of being armed. He hates the health system in the US, but his fat ass has been taken care of youll see. The US lied about everything. Flint Michigan needs moore jobs, even if they are union or gov whoring jobs. What about small biz you whore moore?

  • June 13, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Talk about a fearless journo. Props for his shoutout.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by redfist

    I though u gots banned....

  • June 13, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    So you're saying the Bush Administration was completely forthright in building its rationale for the Iraq invasion? <P> Are you saying Moore advocates zero gun ownership? <P> Are you saying that the US healthcare system is perfect, despite the enormous number of personal bankruptcies owing to medical expenditures? Of people who actually have health insurance but that did not cover them adequately? <P> Are you saying Moore is opposed to small business employment?

  • June 13, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Where'd you get that idea?

  • June 13, 2009, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Fuck Moore!

    by bobbofatz

    He really is not that talented. He takes the big issue of the day and sensationalizes and warps it to his bidding. He gets poor fools to play in his stupid games.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by bobbofatz

    I am saying Moore is the biggest pimp. Those who believe him are the saddest whores.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That's your opinion. Now how about answering my questions?

  • June 13, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    What an angry bunch of assholes this site attracts

    by blackshuck

    You heard me. I feel sorry for your parents, still supporting you despite all the resentment and heartache you give them.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Been looking forward to this...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Although I don't how funny he can make it. I mean, the economy isn't particularly interesting when it's doing well...

  • June 13, 2009, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Every work of art has a bias

    by marcspector

    Even a photographer of still news images makes a choice of what subjects he includes or does not include in the frame. That choice alone is a form of bias and has an effect on the viewer. But there is a difference between *discovering* the artist's conclusion and knowing the bias when entering the theater. The entire experience is basically an elaborate sales presentation. No matter how great the film is, there is something kind of weird about movies like this. These kinds of films are really for people who already agree with what is being sold and want their beliefs confirmed.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    What a douche ball!

    by bobbofatz

    Yeah Moore way to go. You out smarted a 80 or so old Heston. You made him think you were part of the NRA. Your a liar! And thn you put a picture of a dead girl on his door step for more rentals? Just for ratings or box office you fuck? Fuck Moore!

  • June 13, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    BSB what is your question?

    by bobbofatz

  • June 13, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by bobbofatz

    I am not angry, but I did move back in with the folks. Its true and Im sad.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST


    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Thing is, that's the only way Republicans repsond to anything. Republicans are flat-out bullies, who use shouting and intimidation to talk over everyone. Even when you confront them with, say, the photo of a person who died as a result of their actions and efforts, they will not accept it. They will call you the villain. And they have absolutely no moral authority whatsoever. The ONLY way to defeat them is to expose them to others. You cannot tell a bully his point of view is wrong, because he already KNOWS it's wrong - that's why he's being a bully. The benefits to him outweigh the consequences to everyone else ... that's the defintion of WHAT makes a person a Republican. So, the only thing you can do is lay the photo of the dead girl on the doorstep and hope SOMEONE, ANYONE finds that so awful that they'll think for just a second "Hey, maybe being a Republican is putting blood on MY hands." It most likely won't work when the alternative is money and power - in fact, I near-guarantee it won't work - but at the very least you tried to fight that insurmountable human evil.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    BSB - Darfur

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Did you know that in Darfur the Islamofascists of the population have admitted en masse to slaughtering blacks because the fascists believe black people's dark skin color makes them inferior to them? Of course, Moore would find a way to make that the US' fault.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Every president makes

    by bobbofatz

    mistakes. They have all fucked up, and Bama will fuck up too. Bush may have been wrong on occasions. But do you remember how much we needed him right after 9/11? Did you guys see the left and right coming together? Did you see the high fives George got from even the left? Everybody forgot party. Slowly the ones who chastised W for not going in fast enough, became haters of the war. I remember all of you fucking pining for us to hit Iraq. Yeah you say Bush called for an invasion of a fine dictatorship. He lied to us. Joke. It should have been left in place? Sadam was an angel just like Kim is. You all thought you voted in a dove, When Prez O stepped into the power chair, he saw the world W saw and so far he is holding strong.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    yeah, Republicans are the DEVIL!

    by palooka_boy

    give me a fucking break

  • June 13, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Moore's bias undermines...

    by Relugus

    ...the valid arguments he does have. Moore does not attack all corruption which means he fails as a satirist, for the true satirist does not take sides; he/she attacks greed and corruption wherever he sees it. Pilger makes valid points but his political correctness leads to him giving certain people (Castro and Chavez) a free pass. The BBC is nicknamed the Brown Broadcasting Corporation, it is full of Labour supporters (such as Michael Crick and Andrew Marr) who have tarnished its impartiality.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    BBC is bias + socialism scare mongering

    by Ben

    Firstly, The Dark Shite, the BBC is sensationalist and bias to garner popular opinion. Look at all this crap about the PM and a BBC headline "Brown could still be forced out of office" when it's a tiny minority of his party trying to oust him. I'm not for the guy but you really shouldn't believe everything the BBC say, especially as any news source is going to be bias simply because they have to simplify everything to the point where the original point is lost. Why shouldn't the Obama administration nationalise some of the failing companies? Americans have been so scared by the word 'socialism' and the evil Russians that you have to put up with some of the worst health care and financial support in the western world and that's not just according to Michael Moore, that's just fact. So nationalise some of the banks and big corporations, get some of the money to go back to the people rather than just ceo's pockets and start sorting the country out yourself rather than leaving it up to a corporation. Lastly. Take everything MM says with a container of salt but at least he's better than FOX News, or more aptly called, 'What an insane Australian wants to tell you to think today'

  • June 13, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Palooka - No, Not the Devil

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    Just people who would take a quarter even if it meant ten people would die. Forget that old story about the million dollars for one. "A Republican would take a single quarter, people other places in the world will die." "But I get the quarter, right?" You don't believe me? THEY DO THIS EVERY DAY - with fast-food, CEO robbery of people's retirement money, deliberstely lax gun control, tobacco lobbyist money ... and, lest you think I'm exaggerating, consider the case of anti-freeze. Repeatedly, Democrats have tried to enforce a regulation that would require anti-freeze manufacturers to insert a chemical that would cost less than a penny a barrel into anti-freeze to make it taste bitter rather than sweet to stop very young children from mistaking it for a candty drink (it's that sweet) and dying as a result. Through fillibusters and lobbying, they have forced the vote down every time, the Republicans - so, basically, they are saving quarters but letting kids die. So, there you go - not the Devil, just good students of him.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Thus,brother you got us wrong

    by bobbofatz

    You are characterizing millions of people. Who taught you to despise Repubs? Jeez man most of us are salt of the earth. Why the vitriol?

  • June 13, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by Relugus

    Often get plush jobs sitting on the boards of banks. Easy work, only have to turn up a few days a year, and you get a shitload of money for it. This is why they were so keen to bail the banks out; if the banks go down the politicians lose out on their lucrative (future) board "jobs".

  • June 13, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Bobbo -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    "I learned it from watching you!" Seriously, it's the behavior I've observed that's so reprehensible. On almost every issue, the Republicans take the side of negativity - fear, hatred, viciousness. This is a political group that believes it's in their better interest to poison babies in Africa than sanction a company (Nestle) for doing that. Think about that. They thought it was BETTER to POISON BABIES in AFRICA than PLACE SANCTIONS ON A COMPANY FOR DOING THAT. The Republicans had to be FORCED ALONG with the sanctions against Nestle. Do some research.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Oh, and since you don't have a clue ...

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

  • June 13, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Hey Moore preaches

    by bobbofatz

    better health care and gun control. He preaches. He is standing for the little guy. ie, you and me. But he lives in a mansion, eats what ever he wants, flys anywhere he wants, has armed bodyguards, and has the best healthcare money can buy. Left or right, can we really believe him?

  • June 13, 2009, 11 a.m. CST

    moore may act like a jerk

    by bacci40

    but he is more right than he is wrong<p> he was dead on in roger and me...and looky here, gm went bankrupt

  • June 13, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Michael Moore is brilliant

    by hst666

  • June 13, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    If the Republicans were true conservatives

    by Relugus

    they would have cut corporate welfare and stop doling out welfare to Walmart and Lockheed Martin.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    The BBC

    by hst666

    is one of the most even-handed and informative news organizations. Better than anything on the air in the US - period. It's where I go if I want substantial journalism. <p><p> Having said that There are definitely great things on 60 Minutes and some of the other longer form shows. I am referring mainly to daily news telecasts and 24 news channels.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Thus, dude please.

    by bobbofatz

    If there is one fucked up company that fucks up, it does not count for all of us. I could bring up the horrors of the left throughout history. But that does not mean you or Obama agree with Mussolini. Your diggin.... deep

  • June 13, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by hst666

    The first step to fixing a problem is acknowledging it. Many Republicans refused to acknowledge that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake and they should have listened to the public. As appalling as I find it, it appears to be necessary to point out the obvious to some people.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST


    by hst666

    besides the fact that Mussolini had much more in common with the Right than the Left, I am not sure hat your point is. <p><p> Not every business person is completely unethical. Of course. What's supposed to stop egregious behavior is government regulation and that's been slowly torn down since the Reagan administration. We need regulation to prevent future economic crises like the current one. We should not have lowered interest rates and we should not have bailed out the companies that we did. They could have gone into bankruptcy and the crisis would hve passed sooner. However, if the companies were limited like they were 30 years ago, this crisis would never have happened.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Hey 666

    by bobbofatz

    The BBC is no better thn the NYTimes. The one problem with the BBC is they gotsta run it by the queen. Ya know what I meen?

  • June 13, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    666..... Mussolini was a fascist

    by bobbofatz

    And that is where we are heading if we are not careful. Sure... that is fine. Bring up the wrongs of right icons. I expected it. Maybe you all have a point. But how many rights or freedoms are you all willing to toss aside? So no smoking, no hunting, no loud noise, no maryjane, do what your neighbors think should be done with your property, be politiklly fuckin correct again, again and again. I think not sir. And there millions just like me. A peaceful revolution. Ala Ghandi or the man King!!!

  • June 13, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Typo: Michael Moore doesn't make docs

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    he makes propaganda pieces. I'm not saying he doesn't have some valid points, but those are way overshadowed by the way he twists other things around.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I agree about the agenda thing

    by CherryValance

    Because I mostly agree with Moore's view just sometimes that super saccharin sarcasm that he uses really grates on my nerves. That's how the trailer is. There's no need for that. The stories tell themselves. He doesn't need to overdo it like that. He's not going to convince anyone who doesn't already agree with him by acting like that.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    is everyone memory really that short?

    by redkamel

    I use quotes loosley... "liberals" on the board: he's going to bash Obama! "neo-cons/cons": he'll find some way to blame a Republican! Lest we all forgot, the bailout money was approved by George Bush. Thats a fact, no matter what your politics there. Theres some room to bash Obama, and DEFINITELY a Democratic Congress and House who, but its not hard to "find a way" to bash a Republican when a Republican President signed the goddamned bill.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    bobbofatz The BBC

    by hst666

    has a lot less bias than any US media. All US media has a corporate bias - How many papers can we sell? The BBC is way more objective and I dare you to find a piece that appears to be the result of government involvement.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Facists are right-wing buy definition

    by hst666

    Authoritarianism and control through force are pretty much owned by conservatives.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    FUCK!! "by definition"

    by hst666

  • June 13, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by redkamel

    oh yeah and Michael Moore is a dipshit, his docs are usually one sided, full of unsubstantiated outrageous claims, and basically summarize the last 35 online news cycles. He is generally pointed in the right direction though, and at least he sparks conversation. Unfortunately it requires all the facts to be eaten, processed, edited, and then shat out in pre-formed movie format with comedy, outrageousness, and simplistic/crazy claims. Otherwise nobody would be able to pay attention for 90 minutes to a movie about something that dominates the news and impacts their lives and futures. Michael Moore, either you are genius moron (got rich for being a dick) or are just very smart and carry the heavy burden of dumbing topics down for people.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    We have been gettin away from

    by bobbofatz

    the subject at hand. Moore is a hack. He cries the so called every man thought, but lives in a mansion, Has armed gaurds when needed, eats everything, flys enviro damaging jets and has the best health care money can buy. How much does he care about the "everyman". He is a fucking hack. He attacked big business in Flint with Roger. Is there any chance a company needed to flee because of outrageous union wages and dues and over regulation?

  • June 13, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by redkamel

    I dont know if you've noticed, but its the DEMS that support individual rights, not the conservatives. <p> who pushes for gay marriage? who pushes for less taxes on middle classs]? who pushes for public infrastructure (y'know, so people can do things)? <p> Look at Gandhi and Kings viewpoints and you will see they fit with the Democrat party, no matter who they pledged to years ago. Civil rights? Free speech? Less monoplies/big business? <p> In terms of hunting and guns, I doubt most conservatives feel the same, and I'll rant here, but seriously, coming from a liberal: go hunt. I spearfish myself, its fun. Just actually go HUNTING instead of driving around shooting stuff, and please don't deplete the animals (y'know so they can be around to be hunted) <p> I also don't care if you own a gun, as long as its a gun you might actually use to hunt or defend, and not a military spec assault rifle for WWIII. Every guy has a boner for hardware, but that doesn't mean people need an AK47, an AR51, sniper rifles, and other high powered stuff under their bed.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    hst666, you also spelled "fascists" wrong you stupid liberal pie

    by neoufo51

    And authoritarianism and control through force are owned by BOTH left and right, you dipshit.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You represent the Right's view very adeptly. Good job.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Fuck Moore big time!

    by bobbofatz

    Dude I can not quote BBC 666. I just would rather not be pacified or held back by the Union. I am not flag waving. I Just want the US to be strong, and not let our free market get bastardized by the worlds opinions.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    BsB thank you

    by bobbofatz

    even if it is a backhanded compliment.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Misguided anger

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    I don't like Michael Moore. i really don't like the guy. At the same time, I really don't understand all the the hatred towards him; I don't understand all the attention either. <br> <br> Moore's docs have been proven to be, at best - misinformation, at worst - out and out lies time and time again. He really is just a bully with a camera spewing hate and stirring up resentment for his own private gain. <br> <br> Are we to hate him for that? Hell no, free enterprise and all that; the guy's simply making a living playing by the rules he was given. <br> <br> Yet, we all sit here and debate his claims and "facts" and get pissed at each other. <br> <br> The bottom line is, Michael Moore's documentarys are for people who are to lazy to find the whole truth or people who won't look at the big picture and realize that on any issue just about everybody is partially wrong all the time. Moore stands for one reason only: to preach to the choir. He offers nothing new to any intelligent discussion and regurgitates opinion as fact. His main M.O. throughout his career has been ambushing people with a camera in their face and using the element of surprise in order to look like he "WON" the debate. <br> <br> This is not agame, and none of his subjects so far have been either. Some people prey on all of America's special interests to keep everybody divided on the little issues mainly dealing with civil libeties and all that does is keep our eyes off the ball. <br> <br> But again, Moore is not to blame for any of this; we are. We who have given him a mouthpiece and allowed him to stand on his soapbox for all these years. The people who have given their money through ticket or DVD sales have kept him in power. Watching "SHOCKING NEWS SHOWS" in whch he is the guest. All we have to do is look away and he'll go away.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    The truth is we all are closer thn you

    by bobbofatz

    think. I dont want Obama to fail. I wanted him to revolutionize the way we have been run. I am just sayin, when is enough? How much as a free society do we all give in, before we break? a peaceful breaking point? When, who ever is in charge, is enough. Where do you draw the line?

  • June 13, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Micheal Moore is an adept propagandist

    by mercuryx23

    What I love reading here is all you people who, rather that make a point about his films or skills, resort to "He's fat!" as an "argument." Yes. He's obese. Big fucking deal. His films are not documentaries. Erroll Morris makes great documentaries. Man on Wire is a great documentary. Moore's films are polemics. He is a hard left populist just as much as Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh are hard right populists. Does he edit to support his positions? Of course! Are his positions worth twisting facts for? I believe so. I have no problem with someone exposing the effects of moving jobs offshore on once powerful American industries. I have no problem with someone exposing the effects of unfettered gun ownership (I own guns and I have no problem with the government knowing about it and am willing to have my ability to own guns limited). I definitely have no problem with the evils of the health insurance industry or the effects of unregulated corporate greed being targeted in a biased matter. Someone has to voice these things. A least with Moore you know you are getting a hard left voice and he wouldn't deny it. But hell, for a lot of y'all who disagree with him, all you can say is "he's fat!" Well, George Lucas is fat, too. Harry's fat (oh, yeah. you shitbirds attack him for that too). Marlon Brando was fat. Orson Welles was fat. Chris Farley was fat. Most people living in America are fat (myself included). What the fuck does saying it add to any conversation?!!?!?! IF it's all you can say, you must be stupid. So how about this. Everyone who posts that someone is fat instead of a reasoned argument or an unreasoned opinion, well, we can begin every response to that person with "You're a shithead." So all you folks who pointed out Moore's weight problems rather than making a point are shitheads. ALL of you.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    True Dance

    by bobbofatz

    But so many people believe what he spouts out. He has a right to say it,thanks to the constitution, but he wont ever mention that we , America, have done so many things right in the world for the world. Jezus we feed over half of the planet with our leftovers. I am not a right wing nut, It just is sick the way the US gets raked over the coals on this site among others.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    on either/all sides, there will be conflict. I don't think America will ever reach utopia. Obama, like him or not, is the most moderate President we can hope for, yet the ultra-Right will not compromise in its mission to make him fail at our cost.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    Where should Moore live? Have you seen his "mansion" in any case? Should he live in a trailer park? Should he not have bodyguards when people probably send him daily death threats? (Especially given the proclivity of extreme right wing "lone wolf" gunmen who have begun to pop up and shoot people they disagree with?) What would you have the man do? He doesn't claim to be perfect. He's a guy who grew up poor and has some money now and spends it. Good for him.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by bobbofatz

    It has nothing to do with weight. But you gotsta know he will come out with a doc talking about the wrong things we are being fed. Point is he is all sensational. He is the quan of hypocrisy.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Merc the point is he

    by bobbofatz

    docs about gun control, big business bad, health care, but he has the best money can buy. Why is anybody listening to him?

  • June 13, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    Aside from New Zealand, there is no place I would rather live than America (New Zealand just seems like a nice quiet corner of the world). Even with all the crap, our crap is still preferable to the crap of others. There are plenty of people who say lots of nice things about America. Moore even does at times. He is hopeful that America will be the country he would like it to be and believes he has the right to make a case for that. But he is a muckraker and it is the muckraker's job to point out the shit they see going on in the hope that someone will clean it up. If you don't want to smell the shit he's digging up, don't watch him. If you do watch him, know that it's going to smell and it may make you angry for one reason or another. He wants you to be angry. It's his job. He may even want you to be angry at him. But if he gets you to think about the issue from his perspective just a little, then he opens your mind to the possibility that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. He's very good at this. Some people, however, don't want to hear that there are people dying because someone at an insurance company refuses to pay for a necessary treatment and they get angry at him for blaming American policy for the problem because they do not want to accept that even in our great country there are those who would rather make a profit than provide life-saving service.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    BSB you are right

    by bobbofatz

    Some of the right are being unfair and sabotaging his presidency. But feel the onslaught that Bush went through every fucking day with most press and blogs. Think of him as you may, but what if, maybe all he wanted was to keep you and me safe.

  • June 13, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    I don't think he'll do a food documentary...Super Size Me and others have used his style to go over that ground. As to why people should listen to him even though he has used his profits to make sure he has health care and a good home? Should we only allow the poor and uninsured to speak of poverty and health problems? Is he a hypocrite for having a nice home? People listen to him because he provides populist information from a biased viewpoint. Seriously, do we no longer listen to politicians speaking to poor people because the politicians are wealthy? Who in the media is not a hypocrite by your definition? When he made Roger and Me, he was not a wealthy man. So is Roger an Me okay and Sicko off the table?

  • June 13, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    In defense of Moore (and I hate Moore)

    by Continentalop

    He gives a third of his money to charity. Just because the guys a tool doesn't make him a hippocrit (sic?).

  • June 13, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    Did Bush earn any of the ire directed his way? He started an illegal war based on lies. He allowed Americans to torture or allowed prisoners in American control to be removed to countries that tortured. He claimed to be about bringing freedom to others but ignored the problems in Burma and other places where people toil under tyranny. Did he do some good things? Sure. But he earned far more of his negative press than Clinton, who was raked over the coals (and impeached!!!) for lying about sex.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Merc ya speak the truth

    by bobbofatz

    New z sounds good. I just think Moore goes overboard. Alot of peeps listen to him. Hell he got a standing O at Cannes. I just get tired of the constant bashing of the US. I dont think he is a communist. But his diatribe sure sound like the wrong way to go, coming from a trailer trash like me.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I'd like a standing O at Cannes!

    by mercuryx23

    Hell, I'd just like to have a film at Cannes. Hell, I'd just like to SEE a film at Cannes. I don't think Moore has a lot of answers. I do think he asks a lot of meaningful questions.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I think Michael Moore is an interesting film maker

    by Alkeoholic77

    But do you really consider what he does documentaries as opposed to editorials or opinion pieces?

  • June 13, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Merc... Clinton did not need the

    by bobbofatz

    bashing either. You say Bush got us into an illegal war. Maybe your right, but after 9/11 everybody was for it. You dont think Mertha and such had the same briefings that the Bush admin. had? Who is naive here. On top of that once Obama got in, he is following pretty much the Bush status quo.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Even negative attention is attention

    by ThePilgrim

    Moore will not admit there beeing any truth to anything but his own opions. Master manipulator, hey atleast he found a way to make money doing it. The Flint movie was great entertainment. Did Moore ever toss some money into Flint after becoming a breadwinner. Did he???

  • June 13, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    by ThePilgrim

    Moore will not admit there being any truth to anything in his docs but his own opinons. Master manipulator, hey at least he found a way to make money doing it. The Flint movie was great entertainment. Did Moore ever toss some money into Flint after becoming a breadwinner. Did he???

  • June 13, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    still listen to Moore's nut rumblings? <p> <p> <p> <p> Peace out!

  • June 13, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Pilgrim - Check this

    by mercuryx23

    Michael Moore is not everybodies cup of tea but the man is one smooth operator as this nice post that couldn't even get the most rabid reactionary upset will explain. Jim Kenefick runs one of the most popular anti-Moore websites, Last year Mr Kenefick's wife was taken ill with a neurological disorder but with no medical insurance, he was struggling to pay for her health care. In desperation, he posted a note on his site pleading for help and stating that he would "be in your debt for all of time" for any assistance in these troubled times. Mr Kenefick received a cheque from an anonymous individual for a lump sum of $12,000, equivalent to a year's medical fees for his wife. It was enough to ease the crisis and ensure the continuation of the website, so Mr Kenefick banked the cheque and put up a thank you note to the person he called his "guardian angel". You can guess what's coming can't you. After some digging to find out the identity of the altruistic donor it was revealed as the man he had dedicated years to bad mouthing. Confirmation came from Moore himself, who left a message on Mr Kenefick's answer machine confirming that he was the donor, adding: "I wish you my best." Classy."

  • June 13, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Obama is is not pulling out.

    by bobbofatz

    If I was dgdb I would make a joke here. The drum beating of the US lost in Iraq was echoed by Obama. Is that not the biggest reason he got into office? He is going along with the Bush foreign policy, because when he looked out across the world, he realized we can not all be friends. They want to kill you and your family, just because you think difff from them.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    Jack Murtha is most likely a criminal in his own right. Besides, who ever said that the Democratic party had what one might call a spine? And Obama? The only nice thing I can say about him is that I am fairly sure his brand of status quo preservation is preferable to what would have been McCain's brand of status quo preservation. At least Obama gives a pretty speech and doesn't carry Palin around his neck like an albatross.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Pilgrim

    by mercuryx23

    When was the last time someone on the hard right (Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc.) admitted to something other than their version of the "truth"? Moore is a propagandist. He need only present his side of the argument.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Bobofatz: so, it's ok for the local police to carry ARs, Submach

    by babblerouser

    but the citizens of this country can not? Why don't you go take a look at previous attempts to weaken the local civilian's access to firearms (Nazi germany, Russia, etc.) and see how that worked out. ..... and a "sniper" rifle is no more than fancy way of saying "hunting rifle". It's called a class 3 - look it up.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Nobody, I think thinks Moore is

    by bobbofatz

    heartless. He is not evil, but he got some play out of that gift. If he cared so much he would go after the clit chopping extreme Islam, or the starving in Ethiopia, or the genocide in darfur, or aid in the cause for Tibet or human rights abuses in china. Or the Enviro slautering of most of the third world. The Us is mostly clean, and centuries ahead in so many and so many ways. I could dig him if he went after the true evils of the world.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Dems support Gay Marriage?

    by MegaBeth

    California, with the vast majority of Democratic voters, voted DOWN the proposition allowing gay marriage. Obama, the king Democrat, does not support gay marriage. Thus some Democrats support gay marriage, apparently more do not. At least not in California.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    How's he going to handle it?

    by Rand92

    It'll be real interesting to see how he tries to handle this, because if he's fair (cough) he can't just go after Bush like he always does. He's going to have to ruffle some feathers in his own party.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Babble, not sure where ya comin from

    by bobbofatz

    Tell me more.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by MegaBeth

    When was the last time the hard left (Pelosi, Olberman, Garofalo, etc) admitted to something other than their version of the "truth"?

  • June 13, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I am for the 2 amendmant

    by bobbofatz

    To have a democracy, the ex leg and jud must fear the threat of a united people kicking their asses out.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by Harold-Sherbort

    ...skewer Obama in this too. So don't start freakin out you crazy rightie tighties.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    Go look up the footage of the bank robbery in Burbank where heavily armed and armored gunmen wreaked havoc on an unprepared and under-armed police force. Do we need heavily armed civilian militias who have paranoid delusions of the "government" fed to them by hate radio? Why shouldn't someone who buys a gun (myself included - I have an Enfield Mark 3 and a Mossberg pump action) submit to a background check? If you have something to hide, you shouldn't own a gun. You don't need a gun TODAY, so what's wrong with a waiting period? And can you really tell me it's necessary to have a Dragonov sniper rifle to go hunting? Sport target shooting, maybe (I'd like to fire one...sure). But hunting? What are you hunting from that distance? Why do you need an AK or a submachinegun to hunt? What are you hunting? Oh, wait, we're back to protecting ourselves from our armed police...right.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Amendment of course

    by bobbofatz

    I am such a hick. On par with Palin

  • June 13, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Merc If they take one kind of rifle from you

    by bobbofatz

    What makes you think in a couple years they wont zero in on the gun you favor. WE could register all guns, just like Poland did. Doh!

  • June 13, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    Is Pelosi hard left? Really? But seriously, people on both sides use facts to encourage others to see things from their side. It just seems like the hard right tends to use their facts to incite people to paranoia, large scale ammunitions purchases and the occasional lone wolf killings of innocents or targeted enemies. I'm trying to remember the last time someone Moore or Olbermann's rhetoric resulted in someone's death or paranoid stockpiling of weaponry in the fear that the government was coming to get them and take their "freedom". Please remind me of when Pelosi proposed a "hard left" law or was factually incorrect in a speech. Please remind me of that.

  • June 13, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    Hey, you know what? I actually believe our country works and that no one is coming for my rifle or ever will. For one, I live in Arizona, which would go all kinds of crazy first. Arizona is the crazy gun capital of the world if you did not know (Cowboy ethics and all). Second, Democrats have no spines. The most they want to legislate is registry and waiting periods and, sometimes, a limit of the number of bullets that can leave the barrel of the gun in a given amount of time. I have no issue with this. Anyone who thinks the Democratic party wants to disarm the county does not really understand the Democratic party. All they really want is to be in charge. I mean, really. Do you think they can take all our guns away if they can't pass an amendment making abortion or gay marriage constitutional? Those are much bigger liberal issues than taking our guns away and the Democrats cannot even get those right. Please. Stop buying into the paranoia. We are not Poland or Germany or Russia. Those countries all had/have popuations that were culturally programmed for dictatorships. Americans are culturally programmed for "freedom". Plus, there are too many people with too many guns, legal or no. Even if all the good citizens like me turned in our Enfields, there would still be a million others who kept them in a safe somewhere...

  • June 13, 2009, 2 p.m. CST

    There is some ridiculous

    by bobbofatz

    radio for sure. But somehow I think you are trying to lump Rush in there. He is not extreme. He hates the idea of socialism in this country. Dont demonize him. He did say he wants Obama to fail. To fail in the socializing of the states. He believes in capitalism. It works. He is not a racist or a homophobe which is prob what you have heard about him. Listen to him for a week or so. Bottom line is he loves this country. He just thinks Obama is taking us down the wrong road.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I Saw The Teaser...

    by Spaz Medicine

    It was attached to a midnight viewing of Moon on Thursday night at the Arclight in Hollywood.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by mercuryx23

    If you're a Rush listener and really believe that he speaks the truth all the time or is somehow not extreme in the viewpoint he promotes, well, I cannot say anything to convince you otherwise. There is a long record of his remarks and hypocrisy (including much in the way of racism, homophobia and hate), but, just like those who think Obama walks on water, I cannot say much to change your mind. I'll simply agree to disagree with you on that subject.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    You cant hold the Right hostage over

    by bobbofatz

    a couple nut jobs deeds. Just like you question, I question the rhetoric pumped into our brains every day about how we lost the war, and our Prez and secur. lied to us. Drummed drilled into our brains to hate Bush and the war on terrorism. Oberman is as guilty as anyone in a sort of treasonous sabotage of the Bush admin and the war at large.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:24 p.m. CST

    moore haters = fucking hypocrites

    by Sweet Action Hero

    you're telling me that if you had the chance to make a propaganda piece—on a subject you're passionate about—you wouldn't? Fucking bullshit. hes a modern day leni riefenstahl. at least his subject matter doesn't include killing jews. all docs are biased. Did "Supersize Me" give McDs a fair argument? Did "Born into Brothels" give calcutta whorehouses a fair shot? Doesn't matter—they were still fun to watch.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Obama haters...

    by Sweet Action Hero

    what the fuck did W accomplish in 100+ days? He didn't even set up the destruction of the WTCs yet. pathetic.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    If Michael Moore truly cared

    by HughJass

    He would donate a percentage of the profits from this shit to the people that are suffering because of this crisis. Sadly, that money will just go to endless #3's at McDonalds.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by Sweet Action Hero

    Michael Moore is simply doing research for Supersize Me 2. He is currently on year 24. Morgan is a puss.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    How the FUCK is a conservative going to be against it?

    by ricarleite2

    Can't they realize what is going on around them? What is it going to be this time, "Michael Moore is a douchebag" again?

  • June 13, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Do guys that read this site go and shoot people in museums?

    by stooopider

    Because....dang. Lot of hate in here.

  • June 13, 2009, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Pretty brave dude

    by blackshuck Moore. Yeah, he's sensational and biased. He's not a journalist, he's a FILMMAKER. Documentaries are completely subjective by there nature... That's film school 101, kids. I am a pretty progressive socially liberal person and Moore says a lot of shit I disagree with, but he's a powerful filmmaker. And he speaks truth to power, did so when many (including the 'mainstream liberal media') were too chicken to do so. A lot of theories he raised in F9/11 were not the ultimate truth. The ultimate truth was WAY worse! bobbofatz, I will give you props for admitting to being back at Mom's - nice one!

  • June 13, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by blackshuck


  • June 13, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Michael Moore is Neo

    by Dreamfasting

    The system has just integrated him into the matrix as another level of control to mark and marginalize those who won't accept the program.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    i dig frontline docs

    by Westonian

  • June 13, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Merc.... Rush does not walk on water

    by bobbofatz

    I think. He is full of bull at times just like the others. But he is not the monster the left would make you think he is. He hates socialism. It his bane in life. He does not like the road he perceives we are marching lock step on.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    are pure Communists.`

  • June 13, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    but even he can't stand the likes of Rush and Fox News.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    He couldn't care less about the middle class (or the poor, which goes without saying). How about berating him for HIS money? Hmm?

  • June 13, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    as is National Public Radio.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Rush is only out for Number 1.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    here's the clip

    by blackshuck

    with a write up by my friend, the lovely and talented Jenna Busch.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    to the detriment of American jobs and industry.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    and outcry.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    and domestic terrorism.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Bush did this to YOU!

    by screamster101

    That's right. 8 years of that SOB killed our country. Anyone who blames Obama is f'n retarded. Obama is the guy that has to clean up the mess. Another thing that caused havoc was outsourcing our jobs overseas. Question: What happpens when you take money out of the country and don't put it back in??? Answer: Recession

  • June 13, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 13, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Michael Moore is a fucking scumbag

    by Sithdan

    This "documentary" is going to yet another manipulative, bias POS crapped out by a man who paints the world as black and white.

  • June 13, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    What he does do is critical, complex issues that affect us all, in a way we can all understand, and retaining the appropriate gravitas and emotional impact.

  • June 13, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    Can't stand Moore...

    by Charlie_Allnut

    But I do hope he actually exposes the corrupt politicians of both parties that have been ripping us off for years. That would be a public service. But in general, fuck Michael Moore.

  • June 13, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    MOORE ROCKS!!! "Libural" types agree ;)

    by Darkplanet

    And on a more personal note; FUCK OFF to all you extremist, hard right fascists who have made AICN your home. I love you because you're so easy to despise! GRAB A FUCKING BRAIN!

  • June 13, 2009, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    TUCSON, Ariz. — Two of three people arrested in a fatal southern Arizona home invasion had connections to a Washington state anti-illegal immigration group that conducts border watch activities in Arizona. <p> The Pima County sheriff said Friday that 34-year-old Jason Eugene Bush, 41-year-old Shawna Forde and 42-year-old Albert Robert Gaxiola have been charged with two counts each of first-degree murder and other charges. <p> The trio are alleged to have dressed as law enforcement officers and forced their way into a rural Arivaca home on May 30, wounding a woman and fatally shooting her husband and their 9-year-old daughter. <p> The Web site for the Minutemen American Defense lists Forde as the group's leader and Bush as its operations director. Forde is from Everett, Wash., but has recently been living in Arizona.

  • June 13, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Allah be with them in their struggle for democracy, freedom and justice. I applaud them for their patriotism and desire for peace.

  • June 13, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I love how Moore makes money off the latest Ameircan crisis

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Fat ass.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    M.Moore sucks cock for money

    by Snikkar124

    There is little facs in his so called documentaries. He twists it around to make his own viesw fit, Fat rich asshole who makes money pointing out others misfortunes, He should be shot in public.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    not again. Moore Moore go away, come again another day.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster

    like a duck

  • June 13, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by GeorgieBoy

    The messiah said we had to pass his stimulus bill or unemployment would go beyond 8%. Now that we've passed it (without reading it or debating it or anything) we have almost 10% unemployment!<br><br> Obama is a wet-behind-the-ears liar who wants nothing less than the total annihilation of a free America. YOUR FREEDOM IS GOING AWAY THANKS TO OBAMA.<br><br> Now, let's hear the responses from you brown-shirt Obama followers.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    OBAMA needs to smoke

    by dioxholster

    some weed to get his shit straight after selling us to the arabs.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Moore and Scriptgirl

    by dioxholster

    belong together seeing the are both attention-seeking whores

  • June 13, 2009, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Gotta give cred to Moore

    by tombseye

    He makes documentaries profitable in a country that gets bored with entertainment that doesn't feature explosions. And his stuff is dead-on (especially Sicko and Fahrenheit 9/11), which is why the rightwing hates the guy. He has to make the docs this way, with sarcasm, emotion and, yes, sensationalism. Otherwise, he'd get zero attention. And let's face it, 'leftist' infotainment is at least actually informational and largely accurate, while the right only has the same lies repeated over and over again (Clinton could've gotten Bin Laden, wrong he never had such an opportunity, Obama's not a US citizen, wrong his birth certificate exists and has been verified, healthcare in other developed countries is worse than ours, wrong as average US lifespan is at the level of a small Eastern European country, we fight just wars, wrong we fight for profit and special interests). Indeed, Obama may be, at best, a centrist who has continued many of the same policies as Bush (including hand-outs to superrich banking institutions), BUT I am very much looking forward to Moore's take on the financial crisis. It will likely be equal parts entertaining and informational and will enrage the right, who can go screw their statues of Ronald Raygun for all I care.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I hope they match it up with one under another talkbacker name. Because I have a feeling he's a "regular" who registered a new name just to make a death threat.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    What's your solution to our myriad crises? Do tell.

  • June 13, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    HOORAY! Michael Moore YAY!

    by JethroBodine

    Like him or not, you always leave his films having learned something. It takes hard work, passion, and talent to do what he does. Kudo's Michael Moore!

  • June 13, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Moore isn't really original...

    by edgreen86

    How original - NOT! Done before, and here's proof:

  • June 13, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I'm tired of Moore's voice over work in his doc

    by Orionsangels

  • June 13, 2009, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Yes Moore sucks. but you know who sucks even more?

    by Continentalop

    You fucking nuts who try to put all the blame on Obama already while turning a blind eye to those who caused this mess, No, the guy isn't the messiah, but compared to the retards we had running the country the last 8 fucking years he looks like a fucking savior so I can see how people might feel that way towards him. <p> I think Obama is far from perfect and deserves to be criticized, if such criticism is honest and intelligent not pure fucking insane ramblings. If you can actually sit there and blame Obama for a mess that is 90% of the fault of the party that has dominated American politics the last 8 years (I will give you a guess, their name starts with R), than I think it is about time you go to a doctor and ask for stronger medication because the current dosage isn't working.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    bush wasnt bad

    by dioxholster

    the problem was his name, bush, it was easy for the whole world to pronounce

  • June 13, 2009, 7:07 p.m. CST

    are people STILL blaming the economy on Obama??

    by Six Demon Bag

    get your heads outta yer asses

  • June 13, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    I've been sleeping (tricky time zones), but in reply to the point you made.<p> First of all, I'm not an American, so the end of your post doesn't really apply to me. <p> But the first part, that the BBC is biased. They aren't allowed to be. They're paid for by the people &b essentially owned by the Government. Part of their remit is to be unbiased. If a particular show or reporter is found to be unbiased, they get fined & & people lose their jobs.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Obama needs to time travel

    by dioxholster

    we should send him back in time because thats the only way he can save us

  • June 13, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Oh & Relugus

    by The Dark Shite

    The BBC isn't nicvknamed The Brown Broadcasting Corporation. Well done for thinking up that little gem, but I'm British & it just isn't. <p> Of course there are Labour party supporters working there/in positions of power. I'm sure there are Tories there too. It doesn't change the fact they simply cannot be biased at all. <p>

  • June 13, 2009, 7:31 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by dioxholster

    your women have that dirty look. why? i demand to know.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    The problem with American politics..

    by The Dark Shite

    At least in my opinion, as a neutral observer..<p> Well, as they say, it's a country of extremes. It's a cliche, but it's true. <p> You see it even on the TBs from time to time, where a right-wing supporter will be arguing with a left-wing supporter & neither will give an inch, even if the other guy makes a valid point. It usually ends up in nastiness & name calling. <p> The way I see it, for every normal American with a particular political view, there's a nutjob who takes things to extremes. & none of them are ever vindicated, because you live in a country of people doing the same. <p> Look at your politicians. Some of your right-wingers are the most hateful, paranoid people I've ever seen. Likewise, you have left-wingers who would happily reduce your country to nothing.<p> In-between, you have the normal, intelligent thinkers, who struggle to get their voices heard. <p> It reminds me of a quote I read once that summed it up. Something like "Pius & holy, wholesome & clean cut, yet it's possible to buy dwarf porn & a shotgun in one shopping trip."

  • June 13, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    That would be because they're filthy. Truly, truly, filthy.

  • June 13, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Continentalop: "No, the guy (Obama) isn't the messiah"

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Gee, I guess you haven't been keeping up with the news since it was only a week ago that NEWSWEEK actually DID declare him a god who was standing above the rest of us mere mortals.<p>(Insert mocking Rodney Dangerfield eye roll here)

  • June 13, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    He's not the Messiah..

    by The Dark Shite

    He's a very naughty boy.

  • June 13, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by dioxholster

    what? i meant British women are kinda rough around the edges and it makes them look like used-up whores.

  • June 13, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Moore and Limbaugh have a lot in common

    by irritable

    ... besides being obese and drenched in negative charisma.<p> Both of them are so convinced that they are in combat with "forces of evil" that they consider it their "duty" to be grossly dishonest, obnoxious and unfair to their selected targets.<p> Their gullible viewers/listeners accept this because they enjoy having their prejudices confirmed. Instead of thinking.<p> And both of them make a lot of money out of their scam.

  • June 13, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Rush and Moore - who is more fat and annoying?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • June 13, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST

    OBAMA is a muslim in dsguise

    by dioxholster

    islamic upbringing -check, socialist -check, hes into S&M -check, he cited quranic verses -check

  • June 13, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    this is CNN

    by dioxholster

    the force is strong with this one

  • June 13, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Since you think Obama's doing such a bad job, it goes without saying that you have better ideas. Don't be afraid to share them. It could be the basis for a healthy debate. <P> Or you could be talking out your ass.

  • June 13, 2009, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Not conversion, but perhaps reading the Kor'an. I am intrigued.

  • June 13, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by dioxholster


  • June 13, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    I hope this nation has a Civil War 2

    by Ash0k

    If it does, I'm moving to Texas, baby.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:03 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Better start learning Spanish then.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by Six Demon Bag

    no BSB is open minded and not ignorant...big difference

  • June 13, 2009, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I'll bring back some virgins for ya.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Shoukran, SDB.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST

    actually im from texas and our idiot gov has thrown the

    by Six Demon Bag

    secession word around lately...if so im out.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by Six Demon Bag

    everytime i would visit my grandmother i would scrounge thru her books...she said shed read most of them--art, mythology, history, etc...i noticed she had the koran next to her bible on the pointed it out and she said that shes been meaning to read it. she died a year ago and now its on my shelf with the rest of her books..she was a great woman, an open minded woman, something that rare these days.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    should be investigated for sedition. Anyone know what the punishment for sedition is?

  • June 13, 2009, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Do we really have to go through this again?

    by Sithtastic

    Friends, I would have thought after having theroughly seen virtually all his films summarily debunked and laid bare by a fellow leftist (no less) in "Manufacturing Dissent" a real documentary about both Moore and his various causes, do we really have to do this dance again? Moore's one undying talent is to weave comedy into documentary that has forever been his claim to fame and nothing else. <p> What's really astounding about this is the same tired Leftist populist bent is going to sound somewhat dated and out of place, with Moore's antics unable to paper over bold faced political realities of GM simply being a poorly run company whose Unionized VOTERS were given extra time on company life their company could go broke with all of our tax payer money. I have better things to do than watch Moore lumber about harassing some ambushed suit, unable to answer his false dichotomies and other slanted questioning.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:17 p.m. CST

    So did I dioxholster..

    by The Dark Shite

    So did I.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The extent of my religiosity is Baleism, but I am open to exploring sprituality in the teachings of other religions. I find Taoism and Buddhism to be very intriguing too. I may end up bringing Bale to Islam, who knows what wonders lie ahead in my journey.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Then Obama gets to crush his rebellion with one swift stroke.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    However Dioxholster..

    by The Dark Shite

    If you can say British women look like dirty used up whores (which I kinda agree with, except for my Gran, bless her)..<p> Then it's fair game for me to say that I've been to your fine country quite a few times & well, a lot of them ARE dirty used up whores by the time they're 18. <p> Geralisation's so true!

  • June 13, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by Sgt.Steiner

    burns the flag with every word. And he knows nothing about patriotism, other cultures, or anything residing outside the empty vessel that he calls a mind.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    It's worth reading. Personally, I think the only way to understand another viewpoint is to study it. <p> I've read bits of it (not the whole thing, for the saem reason I can't read all of the Bible-I just find it preposterous). But I learned a lot of things I didn't know, like the fact that Jesus is a prophet in Islam & that it actually teaches peace & loving your fellow man the same as most remigions. <p> The problem lies not with the religion, but with the murderous pricks who use it as justification, the same way Christians used it over the years.

  • June 13, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    I need to go back to school..

    by The Dark Shite

    Wtf is a "remigion"? I'm sure I'm turning dyslexic! Probably from speaking & writing in Japanese all the time.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    It's good to have moral support from moral people.

  • June 13, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Blah, Bush, Blah, Republicans, Blah, Blah, Blah.

    by solartaco3


  • June 13, 2009, 10:46 p.m. CST

    "Obama gets to crush his rebellion with one swift stroke."

    by Ash0k

    LOL.... Obama crushing a rebellion? With what, a tear inducing speech?

  • June 13, 2009, 10:58 p.m. CST

    In before the "Michael Moore is fat" comments.

    by ELGordo

    Ah too late.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:31 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Why don't you join a secessionist group and find out?

  • June 13, 2009, 11:45 p.m. CST


    by Ash0k

    I'm really not afraid of Acorn hippies and bleeding heart pacifists.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    btw Dioxholster

    by Ash0k

    Obama don't like Stargate SG-1.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Michael Moore

    by Craig2574

    Is an ass clown who lives better than most people on this planet. He has no idea how the world works. How much he just blames the GOP (Bush) and forgets it was the DEMS who passed TARP. To you BringingSexyBack most people who are in the army are from the South they will not storm Texas you jackass.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:50 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Then taking Texas from the Union should be a cakewalk for you, tough guy.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Craig2574 reporting for duty!

  • June 13, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack


  • June 13, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Pass the popcorn!

  • June 13, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by antonphd

    Michael Moore is just a person who is talking. He may not be accurate all of the time, but he doesn't have to be. He's not a reporter, he's not a politician, he's not a teacher. He's you or me or anybody else who's telling people the way he sees things. I know that some people think that just because a lot of people listen to what they say that it means that they are correct or some kind of leader. But that's not how the people who listen to what Michael Moore is saying see things. They don't just swallow what Michael says. They listen. Then they think about it themselves. Then they talk about it with other people. That is Michael's goal. Not to shove things down people's throats. He just wants to start people talking. Now, I know that some people have a problem with people talking and they label it dissent as if dissent is a bad thing instead of the core principle of being American. Well, that's too bad for those people. Talking is our greatest freedom in this country. We don't have to be right and we don't have to agree. We don't even have to talk. But we can. And if you have a problem with people talking because you think they are wrong, then talk about it. Like you are.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST


    by m_reporter

    lol bsb, lol

  • June 13, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I love talking. Lots. Great post.

  • June 13, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST


    by antonphd

    Are you going to start shooting now? Or bombing? Which will it be, crazy insane person?

  • June 14, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Punch it!!!

  • June 14, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    is assassinate and secede. You guys are the very definition of "faggot".

  • June 14, 2009, 12:05 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Your treasonous posts have cured my insomnia. Buttfucking bitches.

  • June 14, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I hate to leave on a bad note.

  • June 14, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    The govt'-mandated unwinding of AIG's credit default swaps at fi

    by RandySavage

    is why likely insolvent banks were able to post profits in Q1:2009. The general public and most politicians didn't balk or even come close to understanding how these deals work or what it means for our economy & society. The stock market saw our collective ignorance and rebounded. The perception (or presentation) of "reality" has become more important than the actual reality. <p> What this means is that the Treasury has awarded free, unaccountable, and totally unsustainable reign to the financial sector and the guru's facing shrinking production will attempt to shape value (and reality) like clay (ie. mark-to-market). <P> Moore might be extremely partisan and arrogant, but at least he's waving his hand saying "Hey! Look over here! You may want to pay attention to this, because it will profoundly affect your personal future as well as the rest of the world's"

  • June 14, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    "You guys are the very definition of "f*gg*t".

    by Ash0k

    Barny Frank is a Republican?

  • June 14, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Moore Is in Ecstasy

    by MC1701B

    Because the failure of GM he prayed for in "Roger and Me" has now come to pass. For this reason alone, I hope not a single person buys a ticket to his new film, regardless of whether or not his points are valid. He is celebrating the demise of American industry, and thus is doing more to destroy what's left of the economy than Obama ever can or will.

  • June 14, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    this looks right

    by Potatino

    I know its gonna be biased as all get up but damn if ever there was a documentary that screams Moore this is it. Nice teaser trailer, a little smarmy but what the hell its a teaser. He better not hold back on the full doco. I'm expecting rage that is as pure as sunshine and kittens. I hope he doesn't stuff this up.

  • June 14, 2009, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Save the US from Socalism

    by mulberry

    Boycott government bailed-out companies. <p>Just buy your goods from China <p>Let the US companies go to the wall like honorable capitalists <p>Then let cash-rich Chinese, Middle Eastern and Russian companies buy them. <p>Land of the Free. Home of the Brave.

  • June 14, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Here's my prediction:

    by ErnestBorgNine

    regardless of your "side," you're all going to A. Do Nothing About Anything; B. Keep Taking It; and C. Continue Crying. I include me in the all. But, hey, Avatar in December, right? And that's going to be great!

  • June 14, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Anyone who looks to Michael Moore for "the truth"...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Is obviously an idiot. The man blatantly and shamelessly lies and distorts information in his "mockumentaries" more than Al Gore in "An Inconvenient Truth."<p>People who watch his films AREN'T looking for information. They're simply paying money to watch a 2-hour reinforcement of their own narrow and misinformed opinions. Moore's nothing more than a fat parasite living off of the gullibility and stupidity of his audiences.

  • June 14, 2009, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Michael Moore films

    by HagCeli

    I very much liked Roger & Me and Bowling For Columbine. Well-crafted, unique documentaries. Fahrenheit 9/11 however wasn't that good. Too biased, too sloppy, not very memorable.

  • June 14, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    google the Obama Deception

    by Michael_Bay_Rox

  • June 14, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    lol @ the 1st poster

    by Michael_Bay_Rox

    Actually, NO everything is NOT going to be o.k. if you ignorant fools continue to sit on your fat asses and let the corporations loot the treasury with your dick in your hand.

  • June 14, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST

    you know what

    by Michael_Bay_Rox

    I don't care anymore. Reading this talkback, you fools deserve everything that's coming to you. Enjoy your cardboard box.

  • June 14, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Forget the politics!

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    Can't the right and the left just forget their differences? The main issue should be whether or not Michael Moore is a self-richeous, smug cunt. Surely that's something we can all agree on?

  • June 14, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    Reminds me of a gurning slug.

  • June 14, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST


    by Michael_Bay_Rox


  • June 14, 2009, 7:33 a.m. CST

    *sigh* sorry to interrupt the poo flinging monkey zoo party

    by Michael_Bay_Rox

    but in all seriousness Ron Paul's bill to audit the Fed now has over 200 co-sponsors in the house of representatives. Do any of you even know what the House is or are you too busy shopping for Green Lantern undies on the net?

  • June 14, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see Ron Paul's cameo in Bruno

    by Verbage

    And to watch the Ron Paul fans go apeshit when their Master and Commander looks like a buffoon on the silver screen.

  • June 14, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Dude, where's my film site?<p> Political tb's = the devil's work.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:08 a.m. CST

    then dont walk into a Michael Moore talkback

    by Michael_Bay_Rox

    you dumbfuck

  • June 14, 2009, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Two stories about Moore

    by emeraldboy

    One. After Bowling for columbine friends of Trey Parker and matt stone kept coming up to them and saying jeez the animation you did in bowling was great. stone and parker were amused at first. after a while it got out of hand. So matt stone went to see bowling for colombine and blew a fuse after seeing the movie. He sent out a statement saying that he and parker had nothing to do with the movie. What riled the pair was moores response in a newspaper that he had commisioned the pair do to the animation for his film. What actually happened was that moore was passing through utah and said that he was big fan of South park and that was all he needed to make the animation look like south park. two Farenheit 9/11. When doing promo work for that film. Moore said that he contacted pete townshend to use you wont get fooled again over the end credits s of farehnheit 9/11. Towenshend said that he eally wasnt interested in seeing the movie and wasnt a filmgoer. so he saw the film out of curiosity and he exploded when he saw the end of the movie. He opened up a can of verbal whoopass on moore. saying that he had never met him. did not know him and the who had instructed thier lawyers to take legal proceeding against Moore for copyright infringement. In his press statement Townshend called moore a liar.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You're a faggot.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    about what their proposed solutions are. Criticize Obama, yet have no viable plan to counter him with. That's productive. <P>

  • June 14, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    BSB--top o the morning

    by Six Demon Bag

    after my posts, i crashed--thanks for your kind words..what the hell has happened to out country? the right lost and now they are moping and pouting like my two year old..i for one dont really want texas to would be very awkward at family gathering and basically inconvenient for me. if they do, the US would kick the ever living shit outta them, without the armed forces..they would just cut all ties with them...right before hurrian move perry. they really havent fixed galveston to the way it was and now hes throwing idiotic words around..<P>which is really more dangerous ithink--just putting secession out so blase--like it was no big thing...this happened in the civil war!!! perry--think you fucking moron

  • June 14, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by Six Demon Bag

  • June 14, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    The left's big hitter has struck out

    by FeralAngel

    And so the left's big shitter has stepped in to sort it all out. Although I really doubt Moore will take on Obama. No doubt he gets wet at the very sight of the Boy Wonder just like the rest of the libtoids. As for improving on Obama's "plans"...why crap son that's easy. Cut corporate taxes. Stop spending like a fuckdrunk lottery winner. Get the government out of the auto business, or hell, ANY business. Treat unions and companies with equal fairness. Stop slapping on stupid regulations that none of America's competitors have to kowtow to. Lay off the social engineering. STAY OUT OF THE HEALTHCARE BUSINESS; just ask England or Canada if you want to see how truly fuckedup "universal health care" truly is. (And if any of you poor souls out there don't have health care, then get a goddamn job that provides it, twits). Treat our armed forces with respect, give them the tools they need to win, and especially don't use them as political footballs and don't declare a war lost when our soldiers are still fighting it. (Eat groin, Harry Reid). OH, yes, and most importantly, buy American and vote Republican. And there you go. So simple even your basic typical left-wing pseudo-intellectual can grasp it.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:44 a.m. CST

    The usa had a choice last november

    by emeraldboy

    Obama/biden or Mcain/palin. Over the last few weeks I have had to endure like many others in ireland have to endure the opposition saying we need an election. We had an election in 2007 and the people spoke. Like blair in the UK, ahern stood down and cowan took over. ur economy has gone into the toilet. Fine gale our now the biggest party in the country after last weeks Euopean and local elections in ireland. There was shift to the left and to the extreme left. Fine gale are center right party. Fianna Faill have been in power for 20 out of the last 23 years. A period in oppostion will have to happpen. Fianna fail have a lot in common with new labour. They are party of patronage like new labour. they have lnks to big business like new labour. Fine Gael are like the tories even down to thier sound bite about having an election and they have made contact have cameron and kenny. Ireland was the first to see through Declan ganley of libertas. His stalling tatics fooled no one last week in the RDS count centre. I wll say this about bertie aherne. The political damage he wrought on Sinn is becoming more apparant. 11% may sound like a gain aherne destroyed them by saying that there economic policy was looney stuff. No other party will touch them with a ten ft barge poll.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Not all on the Right have jumped off the psychological cliff. Just the "base". After the McCain/Palin rallies of 08, we know them all too well now. Country First is really code for Party First, Country Be Damned. <P> Secession is a far more dangerous crime than terrorism. Our country endured 9/11, and may have been even stronger if not for the Bush/Cheney Administration. <P> Yet, should the treasonous Rick Perry declare secession, it would devastate the United States like no other event in our nation's history. The entire country would erupt in chaos. <P> As you said, people like Ashoko act as blase about secession as terrorists act about the victims of their murders. They're all mentally deranged cowards.

  • June 14, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by Six Demon Bag

    this country should stick together thru thick and thin as theyve done thru the years..i can understand why the south seceded before the civil war, though i dont agree with it, in understand their limited thought processes. <P>what perry is doing seems to be so trivial, done for political purposes and grandstanding--which is far worse.<P><P>i wouldnt be surprised if perry runs in 4 years for pres--"im the guy who stood up to obama" hes hurting texas by not taking federal money and damaging the country by throwing the THOUGHT of secession out there..who the fuck does he think he is?? fuck him, bush wannabe.

  • June 14, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "Cut corporate taxes": American corporations already pay among the lowest of effective corporate tax rates in the world. How does a further cut spur economic growth? How will those tax cuts encourage consumers to spend more? What benefit will corporate tax cuts have on the overall economy when corporate revenues are in constant decline? <P> "Stop spending like a fuckdrunk lottery winner": Depends on what you call "spending". Government has always constituted about 25% to 35% of GDP in peacetime. That figure goes up in wartime, as we are now. Do you want to take the money away from the military? Without stimulus jobs, the unemployment rate would be even higher. Stimulus jobs = money that eventually becomes income for small businesses to large corps. One construction project leads to revenue for everyone from local markets to steel and concrete manufacturers. With your "proposal", our soldiers would have insufficient armor and arms to do the job you sent them to do. And more jobs would be lost in a host of sectors. You call that a solution? <P> "Get the government out of the auto business": What does that mean? Let Chrysler and GM be sold off to foreign companies with no guarantees that they will use American auto workers and American parts suppliers? So what you're saying is just continue with the Republican agenda of global free trade to the detriment of our economy? Okay. <P> "Treat unions and companies with equal fairness": That's assuming Obama doesn't. What leads you to believe that? The unions have been forced by the government to accept huge concessions (and that is fair by my standards) to keep the auto companies viable. So what is your point? <P> "Stop slapping on stupid regulations that none of America's competitors have to kowtow to. Lay off the social engineering.": What regulations? Are you referring to gas efficiency and toxic emissions? We already have some of the most lax regulations in the world. And anyone who wants to sell a car in America - be they Chrysler, Honda, Mercedes, or Kia - has to conform to the same regulations. What's your point? Are you saying we should give American companies a break and hold foreign companies to stricter standards? <P> "STAY OUT OF THE HEALTHCARE BUSINESS": People in England and Canada are satisfied with their healthcare, not having to worry about going bankrupt when either they don't have insurance or when their insurance does not cover them for serious illnesses. Again, what is your point? <P> "(And if any of you poor souls out there don't have health care, then get a goddamn job that provides it, twits)": Health insurance is no guarantee of healthcare coverage. The providers goal is minimum payouts, maximum profits. You think simply having insurance means you never have to worry about costs. You're wrong. Read your policy's fineprint. <P> "Treat our armed forces with respect, give them the tools they need to win, and especially don't use them as political footballs and don't declare a war lost when our soldiers are still fighting it.": I agree with you there. Except Obama is doing every responsible thing to make sure they are well-equipped, well-treated (aka not being electrocuted by showers made by Cheney's Halliburton/KBR). The point of your post was to point out Obama's wrongs, right? <P> "OH, yes, and most importantly, buy American and vote Republican.": That's quite an ironic statement considering the Republicans blasted Obama for including Buy American provisions in the stimulus package, using "preserve global free trade" as their excuse. <P> "And there you go. So simple even your basic typical left-wing pseudo-intellectual can grasp it.": What's there to grasp? A uninformed partisan rant that has no basis in reality? How hard is that?

  • June 14, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    It was the lack of "stupid regulations"

    by irritable

    ... which nearly destroyed the US banking system.<P> In other countries, prominently Australia, prudent regulations curbed the greedy excesses of investment bankers and reduced the damage caused by financial hillbillies in the US.<p> The idea that Obama is single-handedly making economic policy is puerile. His cabinet is making precisely the same decisions to re-establish financial stability as virtually every other democratic government in the world.<p> And as for subsidized healthcare, most democratic governments in the world have it. Whether or not the UK and Canada run their Health care systems rationally, there are dozens of countries which do. Why should the US stay permanently stuck in the 19th century? Switch off Fox and get educated.<p>

  • June 14, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    BSB--you are my mantra

    by Six Demon Bag

    i literally couldnt have said it better myself.

  • June 14, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    its these monday morning quarterbacks

    by Six Demon Bag

    who have all the ideas--just do this and do this and dont do this!!<P><P>"obamas an idiot"--i think hes doing the best he can considering this shithole economy took 8 years and two unjustified wars to create..this will take some time to fix--obama just needs to sack up and deal some heavy blows, damn the country's opinion of him.

  • Really? That must be why hospital waiting lists in Canada are HUGE, and Canadians often travel across the border to the US for treatments.

  • June 14, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Thanks. Though the attacks on Obama are much like Feral's post. Very weak and void of ideas.

  • June 14, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Let's hope his mother doesn't send in the Feds.

  • June 14, 2009, 10:08 a.m. CST

    BSB--mommy just needs to cut his..

    by Six Demon Bag

    internet off and stop sending down the funyons.

  • June 14, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    BSB brings the jokes, but he also brings incisive, intelligent, articulate debate. He wins.<p> Michael_Bay_Rox you bring a shitload of nuttin. You lose.

  • June 14, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Ash0K healthcare

    by redkamel

    the hospital waiting lists in the US are huge, and americans often travel across the border to Mexico or fly to India/Europe for treatments. Have you ever been to an ER?

  • June 14, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by uberman

    Because he's talented, fact-based rather than just opinionated, and has a NATIONAL PLATFORM in which to shine a light. They view him with such contempt because he is informing on them, and the fact that we have an educated electorate threatens their very existence. They also hate hime because they they cannot DISPUTE the EVIDENCE. All they can do is try to destroy the messenger, and so far, Moore has proven too resiliant for them. Be afraid, fading right winger. Be very afraid. Your time has passed.

  • June 14, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    After becoming the biggest party in the country

    by emeraldboy

    of Ireland FG leader announced that there was going to be a big announcement at 7.30pm last saturday. given the economic mess this country is in, where we going to get a Fine gaels big economic plan to solve the countrys woes. no. Enda Kenny announced that he was putting down a motion of no confidence. We all knew that it was going to be defeated. perhaps the biggest and most important report in the history of the state was the ryan commission report into clercial abuse in industrial schools. The opposition defered that debate while they went ahead with thier poxy no confidence motion which they lost. thosuands of people marched on the dail many were surviovrs of those awful instutions and some were families of suvivors. and in the chamber of our parliment on the no confidence motion The two leaders had a go at one another. Taoiseach: deputy kenny has stated that our economy is going down the - Deputy kenny: i have never used the word toilet. That is the leve of debate that goes on in the dail. words fail me.The irish labour party has begun its General election campaign. You have to desolve the dail. go to The president of ireland, return the seals office. oh and do up a manifesto.

  • June 14, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Moore, Bill-o, Beck, Coulter

    by Larry of Arabia

    They are all cut from the same cloth. People who hate Moore and call him names love the other three for the same reasons they hate him. "He's a pompous blowhard! Now Bill O'Riley, that's a man we can get behind." They all bend the facts (or outright lie).

  • June 14, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    ON september the 29th of last year...

    by emeraldboy

    the banks trotted in to see the Irish minister for finance. The banks were not sound. but that was not the message the minister was given. they all went in and said the banks were all sound. Anglo irish bank was nationalised. and the rest were given the biggest state gaurantee in the history of the irish state. 500 billion. This was very big deal and the opposition tried to get questions but everything was a bit vague. The dail had allnighter and the legislation to cover the gaurantee was rushed through the dail and senate. Questions were and are still a bit vague. why did the irish govt choose to save anglo irish bank. Fianna fail has friends in high places and one of those was sean fitzpatrick. Anglo was the builder and property developer bank and fianna fail had strong connections to them. IN the same that new labour does. anyon who dared write negative news stories about the econonmy was accused of talking it down. and bertie had freinds who were property developers. I dont know how some people dont commit suicide when talking down to economy. Said bertie aherne the head of the task force on suicide prevention. to a buiness lunch in dubin. they all thought that was hilarious. The people trying to stop suicides in ireland didnt see the funny side. There will be alot more of them as business people ending up loosing everything. INcluding small business. The banks are lying throught thier teeth saying they back lending again. The banks association official says they are and fianna fail TD said they are not and he is gotten letters from small business. who are going to the wall. and all our polticians can say is that jobs are they priority. thier own?

  • June 14, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    I love the way you mention England & Canada (as if we're joined at the hip), then only mention Canada's supposed woes.<p> Let's put this straight. The NHS was formed on the basis that it is the right of every human being to have healthcare, wherever & whenever it is available. It wasn't based on wishful thinking/politics by the way, nor idealism, but on the medical code. <p> That's why even enemy combatants are treated on the field if need be. Does it work all the time? No. Are there waiting lists? Yes. Becaue it's free. <p> BUT, & this is something that American opponents do a Micheal Moore on (in other words they ommit the truth)...<p> We also have the same kind of private treatment you have. If we want it, we can have it. IF we can afford it, we can have it.<p> Treatment taking too long? Hey, if you can afford it, go private! It's there. It exists. You don't wanna wait? Pay. In that sense it's the same as the system you have now. <p> The difference is, those who can't pay, get treatment. Those without insurance, with no money, get treatment. Sometimes they have to wait, but waiting is better than no treatment at all.

  • June 14, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by thesinofthesky

    Seriously- you're one of the most well spoken people on this website. It's nice to see someone who doesn't need to resort to vitriol to get a point across. Keep up the good work. That being said, there are a couple of things that we disagree on (I think.) As far as government sponsored healthcare, the last thing we need is Big Government telling us what we can't and can't do in regards to our health. Need an example? There already is government sponsored healthcare, and its called the Veteran's Affairs hospital and healthcare system. Seriously- after having seen how our vets are treated an dealt with, I wouldn't trust the government with running a 7-11 in the middle of Oklahoma, much less running national healthcare. There really has to be another way of going about it. Secondly- Obama hasn't really done much to see to it that our troops have gotten the tools they need to win these wars. Obama's SecDef- Robert Gates, has seriously gutted our military's development of new technologies at his boss's behest. I just can't agree with our troops not having the absolute best technology available, especially at a time when Iran is pushing for nukes, North Korea (however hollow their threat may be) is threatening nuclear war, and Communist China (who is hands down the biggest thief of American military secrets and technologies) and Russia have completely revamped and upgraded their war machines. As much as I would love to see us not need a military because we're all to busy holding hands and singing songs around the campfire, it's unrealistic. There's the old adage that we have what we need to win a war just in time for the next one. Cutting our defense spending and projects will fuck our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines in the long run. And oh yeah- the Attorney General is a douche.

  • June 14, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    What I mean is, it isn't about YOU..

    by The Dark Shite

    Let's say you had a national health system. It wouldn't affect you at all. <p> I grew up in the U.K, I never had to use the NHS. I was always private, because my Dad was doing ok financially. <p> The notion that nationalisation of the health system means waiting lists & bad treatment is bullshit propoganda. <p> Both exist in tandem. If you can afford insurance/paying for private, you can. <p> The point of the NHS is to give healthcare for those who can't pay. Not you. Not the people complaining. It doesn't even affect you at all. <p> Your lives will be exactly the same.

  • June 14, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Fuck Michael Moore

    by Rat Fink

    I fucking hate liberals. Democrats are a bunch of whinny pussies who bitch because they don't have what the republicans have and they don't want to work hard for it like we republicans did.

  • June 14, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Michael Moore is a SOCIALIST PIG...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...Bush started the bail-outs, but Obama took it to a new level all-together...and it's not working. <P> I guess all of Moore's films for the next 3.5 to (God-forbid) 8 years will be retroactive docs about the previous administration, right? <P> Fuck Michael Moore.

  • June 14, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    You're all fucking insane.

    by The Dark Shite

    I give up. Rant away children.

  • June 14, 2009, 1:51 p.m. CST

    meanwhile the DOW has regained 2009 losses

    by HaterofCrap

    in this age of 0 second news Moore has become a dinosaur. by the time the movie finally gets released the market will have gained even more of its 2008 losses back.

  • June 14, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    For Chrisake!

    by arthurrex007

    If Moore was a real documentary maker instead of the FAT WEENY LIBRAL FUCK HE IS, he would go to the root cause of the entire economic collapse the housing debacle which was conceived and executed by Democrats including, FRANKS CLINTON CARTER and Dodd. Real good Idea making mortgages available to anyone who could print their name. JEEZUZ!

  • June 14, 2009, 3:13 p.m. CST

    BSB thank you

    by andrew coleman

    My god some people are just stupid. They watch Fox News then repeat what they hear without actually looking into anything. I actually feel really bad for die hard Republican voters because they believe this stuff and want a better America but the party and the people running it are doing the opposite and hide behind a wall of lies and fake pro-American talk. It's sad to watch. Also stop using the term Liberal most of you don't seem to know what it means. I'm looking at you arthurrex007.

  • June 14, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    So Moore is taking on Bush and Obama...

    by rbatty024

    and people still aren't satisfied. Whatever you say about Moore, at least he's not walking the party line spouting soundbites he heard from television. That's a lot more than I can say about many of these posts. <p> Also, can we do away with the myth that the CRA's attempts to get banks to loan to minorities caused the economic collapse. Economists have looked into banks regulated by the CRA and those not regulated by the CRA and who provided more subprime loans. Guess what, banks who had no obligation to provide subprime loans actually gave out a lot more subprime loans who are not regulated under the CRA.

  • June 14, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    So...Moore and Glenn Beck on the same side!?

    by Raymar

    Reality...imploding! AAA!!!

  • June 14, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Blah blah FOX doesnt worship the Messiah

    by Ash0k

    LOL.... gotta love sheeple Obamabots. FOX doesn't worship Bobo as the Messiah!?!?! Really??? OMG, I guess it can't be REAL news!!!!!

  • June 14, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    it does not matter who it is-they will put a negative spin on any Democratic president-right now it just happens to be Obama. There is nothing he can do, no reaching across party lines that will satisfy, no policy he can enact...Even if he supported tax cuts for the rich and an escalation of the occupation of Iran, FOX would find soumething wrong with them. FOX was 100% a mouthpiece for Bush/Cheny policy these past 8 years, and will also be just a PR mouthpeice for the next Republican President. It's not news anymore, its non-fact based PR for the far right.

  • June 14, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    I don't understand the Moore hatred

    by hst666

    The vast majority of what he says is factually indisputable. He has crossed the line a couple times, which he should not do, but that seems to be all his detractors focus on.

  • June 14, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST


    by Ash0k

    it does not matter who it is-they will put a negative spin on any Republican president-last admin it just happens to be President George W. Bush. There is nothing he could do, no reaching across party lines that would satisfy, no policy he could enact...Even if he supported tax cuts for the ultra poor and a decrease of troops to combat the War on Terror in the Middle East, CNN would find something wrong with them. CNN was 100% a mouthpiece for the failed Kerry/Gore campaigns, and will also be just a PR mouthpiece for Bobo. It's not news anymore, its non-fact based PR for the far left wing fanatics. <p><p> Meanwhile, FOX NEWS is crushing CNN in ratings.

  • June 14, 2009, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The country has undergone a radical privatization of hospitals in the last 15 years. Obama is not about to "take over" those hospitals nor is he going to build new ones. We are talking about voluntary opt-in system of healthcare coverage. If you want to keep your private plan, choose your own doctor, etc. you are free to do so. <P> We're not talking about a replication of the VA healthcare system, which I agree has been criminally neglected by Bush (especially since so many casualties have returned in the last 6 years due to Bush's wars). Obama did the right thing in installing General Eric Shinseki as VA Secretary. This is the same general who was fired by Rumsfeld when he said the invasion of Iraq required a far larger number of troops than were being sent. Had Rumsfeld heeded him, many American soldiers would still be alive. General Shinseki will improve services for our veterans. <P> Obama and Robert Gates ordered the cancellation of outdated, redundant and ineffective military contracts. At no time did they cut funding for vital supplies and arms. The military budget being one of the largest components of the entire federal budget, it was imperative that Obama ensured it was streamlined and made efficient. Bush and Rumsfeld abused the military budget with years and trillions wasted in notorious no-bid contracts to the likes of Halliburton. Shit, they were so corrupt they fired whistleblowers at the Defense Dept. Obama and Gates are simply countering that corruption. <P> I agree that our military should be the most advanced and effective in the world. The problem also is that companies that develop for us (like Lockheed Martin for example) also develop for other countries. They have no loyalty to America. I would vote to give Obama special powers to ensure that military technology developed here, stays here under secrecy laws. <P> I don't think you and I disagree very much. We just need to look at facts and not be distracted by the rants of uninformed Fox News drones and Dittoheads.

  • June 14, 2009, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Look on the bright side - the stupider they are, the easier they are to crush. And all indicators show that the rabid fringe elements of the Right are cannibalizing mainstream support to the point that the Republican Party will be completely insignificant. <P> For that, I don't mind enduring the mindless ramblings like Ashoko's. I just hope he doesn't go out and make himself a martyr for the cause.

  • June 14, 2009, 6:03 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Right back atacha

  • June 14, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Wow, there's always more wingnuts here than I would expect.

    by Christopher3

    This is AICN, right? It primarily covers amoral, gore- and sex-filled genre films. What are you self-righteous Christian crusaders doing here? I also find it hard to believe that anyone in their right mind thinks that Moore's new film will be a love letter to the Obama administration's bailout policies. I think he's in for some humiliation -- that's Moore's usual M.O.

  • June 14, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Whats up with the bowing

    by Prossor

    People bowing to Obama, him bowing to others, are we going back to middle ages or islamic etiquette?

  • June 14, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Obama's strange personality

    by Prossor

    Anyone think Obama's personality seems artificial?Something seems off about him. He sort of seems too humble and respectable like it's a mask or something, just doesn't feel genuine.

  • June 14, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST


    by Christopher3

    He's all polite and intelligent and respectful and shit. It's downright un-American, I tell ya!

  • I say having an abortion because they chose to be murderous lunatics as to where gay people can't help it that they are freaks.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • o.O <p><p> Really?

  • June 14, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 14, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 14, 2009, 8:13 p.m. CST

    How is everyone in here?

    by gotilk

    Good I hope. I got nothin'.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:15 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 14, 2009, 8:17 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 14, 2009, 8:21 p.m. CST


    by lockesbrokenleg

    last year Rush won.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Look, I'm all for political debate...

    by Ash0k

    ...but can we quit with the CAPS LOCK MODE? I feel like I'm engaging in dialogue with Terminator 4 Bale.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    Lots of nasty language, but not one fact. He's fat? OK. The other ugly things you say to de-humanize him-thats only indicitive of your hatred of the man. What is it that bothers you so much about the man? The fact that he speaks truth to power? That people actually SEE his movies as opposed to something like Zuckers 'A CHRISTMAS CAROL' which went after Moore, but nobody listened. They listen to Moore. Excuse me now while I recycle another $5.00 bottle of water and adjust my Solar Panels.

  • June 14, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG

  • June 14, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Moore alone could feed Africa for a year

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • June 14, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 14, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    fuck all the wingnuts

    by bacci40

    after moore put out f 9/11, hundreds of wingnut fucks put out their own docs in an attempt to show that moore lied<p> not only did they fail, but no one bothered to watch any of the movies<p> they tried to kill sicko by releasing it in dvd quality to the web...the movie still made money, and got people talking about the health care crisis<p> 20 years ago, moore out out roger and me, and was pillaried by the right...but guess what? gm just went bankrupt<p> the only reason you fucks hate moore, is because he knows all of you....he knows you are all evil and must be stopped<p> and i still dont understand why you evil fucks bother coming to a website that worships all that is hollywood...dont you all fucking hate hollywood and all that it stands for? you hypocritical aholes

  • June 14, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    Shut the fuck up.<p> & you can keep on pretending to be British, but you're not. Your terminology's all wrong. We don't use most of the words you use. <p> I just woke up by the way & I see Ash0k ignored my reply completely. I disproved his scary propanda about national health systems (in the sense that private healthcare/insurance still exists, so nothing really changes, except for the poor). So, he simply changed his argument. & just a couple of posts underneath my reply, which means he saw it. <p> It makes me wonder what's the point in discussing things?

  • June 14, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    I've seen all of his stuff. I don't hate him, in fact, politically we're on the same side.<p> But what he says isn't the issue. He edits & manipulates everything, to an embarrassing degree. <p> Do you know what it's like, to be of the same political opinions as him, to want him to do well & expose the corrupt fuckers of this world, & to sit there gobsmacked at the bullshit he puts out? <p> It isn't even clever! Any intelligent person can see his deciets coming a mile away. They're so ameteur & hacky. He makes movies for people who don't understand politics. <p> It's embarrassing to sit there among friends & try to argue his side, because his tricks are so blatant. He actually makes it difficult for smart people to back his points.

  • June 14, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    I'm sorry I missed your response to my post. I could not get a signal from my position over the South Pacific in my private jet. I do hope they have Pierre Water in the islands-I asked my servants to stock up. At any rate, I see that your not intellectually honest enough to answer my query, but then what can one expect from the 'common class.' We, the Elite, will still be plotting to offer Health Care to the poor, eliminating tax havens for the rich (Like me, your typical liberal), stopping the use of torture (were sooo weak in our world view), keeping us out of Wars of Choice, and being so presumptuous as to believe that great Satan-SCIENCE!- and advocate for more sustainable forms of energy production (were soo crazy that we even re-cycle so as to not to contribute to that Rhode Island sized island of garbage floating out in the pacific (Ssssh! It's a Liberal Plot to take away your right to litter). Last, we want all your guns, you ignorant little maggot, so our Jewish Overlords and stomp into your homes, abort your babies and throw the rest of you into our FEMA concentraion camps. If only we could silence FOX NEWS, then we could control the debate...At any rate, dear TITBAG, feel free to let me know your location and I would be more than happy to flush our sanitation system at your approximate site. Cheers:)

  • June 14, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    The Dark Shite

    by Ash0k

    Well, if you can pay for private treatment, that's great. Regardless, in the USA, we have the benefit of NOT having "free" health care further draining the economy into a black hole. I have zero interest on wasting my tax dollars to support a government run health system. USSA, here we come.

  • June 14, 2009, 10:48 p.m. CST

    by fanboy71

    Michael Moore is a worthless traitor. All he does is spout liberal bullshit and edit people's responses to make it look like his ideas have merit.

  • June 14, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    I agree, Fanboy71. He is betraying the corportate elite, he has the gall to question the NRA (Try and take my AK, government thug...I got 6 more in the shed), the audacity to ask why the Bush admn let the Bin Laudens fly back to Saudi Arabia right after 9/11, went after the big auto execs, questioned our health care system not responding to those in need-he stands for EVERYTHING that is against huge coorporations taking over our country. Yeah, hes a TRAITOR! And, we both know what that kind of language that leads too...if one is a traitor to the United States, well, what does one do with them? Ah, we both know the answer, my friend. Its the way the far Right (not the Powell right) deal with those of differing viewpoints. With violence. As for me, I am an elite Liberal and therefore will never have a lack of healthcare. If my wife gets cancer, and I cant afford the treatment, we sell the house. When that runs out, we simply sell my organs (I have 2 of most of them). When that runs out I pray for divine healing. When that doesnt work, well, I guess it's time to utilize assisted suicide...oh, thats right-thats a sin and is against the law in most states. Well, I guess I'll just load up on Advil (TM) and hope the ol' girl can fight it off. Yeah. Fuck Michael Moore. What a Asshole!

  • June 14, 2009, 11:11 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    Yeah, 'cause it really crippled the British economy didn't it? Er, no, it didn't. We get by just fine. In fact, until the world's economy went tits up, we were the richest country per citizen in Europe. One of the richest in the world. Not an easy task considering we're a tiny island. <p> I should also point out that when you mentioned Canadians coming over the border, do you know that of the biggest drains on the British NHS, Americans are on the list? Yep. Usually pregnant women who cotton on to the fact that it's illegal for a hospital in the U.K to turn them away. They can't pay for healthcare in the U.S, so it's cheaper to fly to the U.K & waltz into a hospital. That's where your private healthcare gets you. Third world countries provide better healthcare for their citizens. <p> So, you'd rather live in a "greed is good" society, than one in which sick people can get well, as a basic Human right, rather than based on income? That's wrong on so many levels.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    well, I think "wickedly funny" was a bit of an exaggeration

    by Puddleglum

    but, I AM curious to see what Moore has cooked up this time. As someone who works in the banking industry for one of the world's largest banks and who has not taken ANY government assistance, I can still watch it and laugh.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    This TITBAG character has gots ta go

    by Puddleglum

    And if he can't find the do', I'll help 'im wit mah .44!

  • June 15, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    And not just b/c of his posts in this TB

    by Puddleglum

    Because he's ALWAYS an obnoxious prick who does little else but troll TBs.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:41 a.m. CST

    If Nationalized Heath Care is instituted...

    by darthvedder81

    That will be the end of the United States of America. The sun has been setting for about 40 years now but ObamaCare will spell the end. Taxes will be raised to pay for the free health care of the fucks who are too lazy to pay for anything themselves even as they continue to eat shit. Companies will then head overseas in droves (and I won't blame them one bit for it). Health care costs too much because through giant insurance corporations, HMO's and Medicare we've removed the actual act of paying money for services rendered from the process. Anyone with half a brain knows this.

  • June 15, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    I have more problems

    by Campion

    with the radio and TV hosts that pretend to be news people but are spewing lie after lie. Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly, etc. I don't understand how people who listen believe everything they hear. Michael Moore's Roger and Me and Bowling for Columbine were good movies and contained a lot of interesting information. Going in, you had to know that F9/11 was much more biased and propaganda ridden. After all, the guy made the Move website his personal blog for his Bush attacks. Just clicking there for the first time in months, I don't see him anywhere. I'm rambling, anyway, Moore is not going to solve anything, he's going to make money. Worry more about the nuts who launch completely one-sided attacks claiming to be "reports" over the airwaves and their followers.

  • June 15, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST


    by uberman

    Hell, its only $600-$1000+ per person. Just dont eat for a month and anyone can swing it.

  • June 15, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.Paul Blart Mall Cop had the best selling DVD two weeks in a row and made $146,336,178 dollars domestic B.O.

  • June 15, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Saw Moore at Canne

    by BendersShinyAss

    he's a BIG guy

  • June 15, 2009, 5:08 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Considering he lives with his mother, one surmises his tax contribution is miniscule to none. <P> Which validates the insignificance of his opinion.

  • June 15, 2009, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Moore is a fat GAY fuck

    by dioxholster

    liberals are freaks and they do crazy things that i dont understand. i hope they all move to another country.

  • June 15, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Actually, you'd have more money..

    by The Dark Shite

    In the U.K, NHS hospitals are funded from our income tax. The Government takes a percentage of our income tax & uses it for the NHS. After that, there's nothing to pay. <p> Under our system, if you've worked & paid income tax, even if you aren't working at the time treatment is needed, you've already contributed to your medical treatment. <p> Imagine the difference that would make to a Cancer patient for example. Someone who can't work, but needs regular treatment. Under the American system, the costs would be horrendous!

  • June 15, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    In other words..

    by The Dark Shite

    IF (& that's a BIG if!), your Government did it the way the U.K does it, you'd pay the same income tax & actually save on insurance etc.<p> The difference would lie with the Government, who would need to spend more of your taxes on hospitals & less on spy satellites & ingenious prototype death rays.

  • June 15, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Micheal Moore

    by Series7

    Has small Decepticon testicles.

  • June 15, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Michael Moore is a Douche Bag, But . . .


    I suspect I will agree with this movie more than anything else he has ever done. The bailouts are crap, corporate welfare is crap, throwing taxpayer moneys at companies to return for supposedly more "oversight"--but probably just exactly the regulations that hamstring corporate profitability while doing nothing to limit CEO shenannigans--is all messed up. I'm sure he'll blame some of it on his standard bogeyman--free markets, capitalism, individual liberty, Christians, and so on. But this time, I think I might actually agree with him. At least based on the teaser trailer. Fuck tax payer bail outs of major corporations that are "too big to fail". Sheesh.

  • June 15, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Obama's Strange Personality


    Yeah, I've never seen a two-faced politician before. How mysterious.

  • June 15, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    BTW, ObamaCare is Not HillaryCare


    That's one of the reasons it is likely to happen. It includes big payouts to the insurance industry, who paid for a lot of the opposition, last time. So ObamaCare might actually cost you more in tax dollars in private insurance that you never see manifested as actual coverage, but . . . the insurance companies will enjoy a payday, at least for a while, so aren't nearly as likely to stand up in opposition. Meh. What happens, happens. Whatever it is, it'll still be better than living in the middle-ages without proper sewage treatment or indoor plumbing or air conditioning.

  • June 15, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack: The End of the Republican Party


    "Fringe" elements may be canibalizing the Republicans--actually, I think it's more the domination of "moderates" and liberal Republicans who want to offer "Democrat Lite" to voters, but, maybe not. Still, political cycles are tough to avoid. One party rarely holds power over the presidency for more than 8 years, almost never for more than 12. The Democrats held the house for 40 years, but the senate waffled back and forth fairly often. Eventually, Republicans will make electoral gains if for no other reason than they aren't the party in power . . . Although it tends to be, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss", if you ask me. Slightly better or slightly worse, depending on your point of view, but mostly the same. Still, historical cycles seem to be pretty consistent, over time. They may expand or contract, but there's a good chance of a Republican in the Whitehouse after 8 years of Obama, just based on trends. A good chance of a Republican controlled house and/or senate after 2016 (maybe before, but more likely given historical cycles after the 2016 midterms). And we can blather on about how it's "the end of the Republican party" or "the end of the Democrat party" (a common phrase in 1994 and 1998 and even 2004, not so much anymore) but the electorate seems to cycle the bums overall every 8 to 16 years, at a maximum. Some folks hold on to their congressional and especially senate seats forever--but, on the whole, the party in power changes no matter what. Given how anemic the Republican party is right now, that doesn't exactly excite me, but . . . there it is.

  • June 15, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    It's that time again: THE MICHAEL MOORE HATER CHALLENGE!!!

    by HoboCode

    What up assholes who hate michael Moore. Every time a Moore TB pops up I issue this challenge at which all of you invariably fail.<p> Here goes: NAME ONE LIE, FACTUAL ERROR, OR HYPOCRITICAL STANCE IN ANY MICHAEL MOORE MOVIE AND I WILL GIVE YOU A COOKIE.<p> Take your time cocksuckers.

  • June 15, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That may be, but as long as the radical fringe has as loud a voice as they do now, the Party will have a long hard slog achieving even your modest projections. <P> And that's assuming Obama and FEMA does not inter all Republicans to concentration camps as Glenn Beck predicts (and which I am on the fence about).

  • June 15, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    You missed a good talkback. Where u been?

  • June 15, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    We took over the country, if you haven't noticed. You should move. Canada's nice, they have universal healthcare.

  • June 15, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Your biggest problem is that you are repetitious. The other problems we can deal with. Work on it.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "The sun has been setting for about 40 years now ..." <P> Wow. You must be a ball of sunshine. Just shoot yourself, how much misery can you take?

  • June 15, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Sorry man. Work has been breathing down my neck.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I suspect some wingnuts heads will explode at that revelation.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    A working American in point of fact.

    by HoboCode

    Now THAT is a shocker.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    than the secessionist basement brigade.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Working liberal here, too.

    by gotilk

    No day off in months. No two full days off in more than half a year. And people ask "why do you guys obsess and waste all that time, must be nice to have all that free time." Some of us can construct a complex thought and convey it intelligibly in about 1/4 the time it takes you to re-type a talking point. No offense to the mentally impaired intended. But we just don't spend the time you think we do here.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Talkbacks get me through difficult days.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST


    by uberman

    A Husky, 20" blade, gets the job done. I also own a shotgun. And I'm a LIBERAL. I spent my youth in North Dakota. I've been on farms, and I know the score for all you Righties on this site. Every summer, the farm boys would show up with their new trucks, paid for by farm subsidies-i.e. the Taxpayers. These are many of the same folks who are screaming bloody murder about healthcare.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Achieving Modest Projections


    Eh, I don't say they are going to achieve it, just that it'll sorta "happen to them", while it'll seem like they did something to make it happen. Not have Reagans or FDRs can't overcome the cycle for a time, but . . . still, history tends to indicate a cycle, not that'll mean much. Although there occasionally seem to be more ideological cycles, too, but political reality seems to blunt them eventually. The 1994 Republican Revolution, for example, didn't really keep the momentum going.<br><br>Arguably, the "radical fringe" will end up winning the elections. The Republicans aren't going to make a lot of progress, overall, running as Liberal-lite, any more than Democrats, overall, are going to make a great deal of progress running as Conservative-lite. Dichotomies tend to help win the day--at least, more quickly. The Contract With America was not Democrat-lite, for example. George Bush kinda was (compassionate conservative, open borders, blah, blah, blah), but that gave us the 2000 stalemate, etc. McCain was a perfect example of middle-of-the-road, milquetoast, country-club Republicanism, and he lost handily. And he really was Obama-lite.<br><br>I suspect that, the more conservative the Republicans are, and the more they offer a stark contrast to the Democrats, the more rapidly they will push the cycle and win back seats and the presidency and proceed to do almost nothing with them. The more moderate and middle-of-the-road they go, the more rapidly they approach the strategy that got them 40 years of Democrat rule in the house. But . . . what's gonna happen is what is gonna happen.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Heck, that's why I've been here often over the last year. Tabbed browsing and bookmark tagging. You can track anything and spend 20 minutes on something that would take the average user 3 hours.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I'm Also Opposed to Farm Subsidies, For the Record


    I also grilled lamb kabobs and had them with a fine homemade mint sauce (with homegrown mint) and a delicious tabouli salad (homemade, though we didn't grow the bulgur wheat, only so much room in the backyard) this weekend. Man, it was good, too. I don't own a shotgun (or any gun), and I don't currently own a chainsaw as, thankfully, I don't need one.<br><br>Alas, I don't think there is a politician alive that will seriously try to curtail farm subsidies. Con-Agra and Archer Daniels Midland would have a hit put out on anyone that did.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Still waiting........

    by HoboCode

  • June 15, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Easy to slam Moore...

    by HoboCode

    without the burdon of proof to back up your misguided suppositions, isn't it?

  • June 15, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I try to stay aloof from the whole RRRGH I HATE MICHAEL MOORE th

    by Sepulchrave

    ... but I WAS unhappy with SICKO. It was wildly inaccurate about many things and the old 'lets finish with a wildcat stunt' thing is just so OLD. The heart-breaking human interest stories at the film's heart were completely ruined and drowned out by Moore's grandstanding and overbearing presence.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    HOBOCODE, I'll accept your challenge

    by Sepulchrave

    ...though I wish he were more accurate, regarding SICKO, Moore's depiction of British and French healthcare was wildly inaccurate. No, they do NOT offer utterly free treatment and medicine; much of it is part-privatised and the waiting lists are incredibly long, with delayed bills arriving later. It is not fast, friendly and free; it is frenetic, feeble and falling apart. It's so sad (I am devoted to universal healthcare as a concept) but it's true. Moore's representation was rosy to the point of being a complete fabrication.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    From a review

    by Sepulchrave

    As it turns out, France can't. In 2004, French Health Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told a government commission, "Our health system has gone mad. Profound reforms are urgent." Agence France-Presse recently reported that the French health-care system is running a deficit of $2.7 billion. And in the French presidential election in May, voters in surprising numbers rejected the Socialist candidate, Ségolène Royal, who had promised actually to raise some health benefits, and elected instead the center-right politician Nicolas Sarkozy, who, according to Agence France-Presse again, "plans to move fast to overhaul the economy, with the deficit-ridden health care system a primary target." Possibly Sarkozy should first consult with Michael Moore. After all, the tax-stoked French health care system may be expensive, but at least it's "free."

  • June 15, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I'd take the waiting list. <P> It won't be perfect, but the current situation - so-called healthcare providers driving people into bankruptcy because they will not cover all costs - is unsustainable for our society. <P> Health Insurance is a scam. And that was the biggest lesson I drew from Sicko. I spit in the providers' faces. Pfft!!!

  • June 15, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I'm all for universal healthcare

    by Sepulchrave

    but we have got to get rid of the smokers, alcoholics and obese people. Sorry, but they are going to to drag us down with them. Call me a fascist but if you want government sponsored healthcare then you'd better be ready to do 5000 mandatory jumping jacks and give up smoking to prove it. Honestly, who wouldn't agree to eat green veg and go to the gym in esxchange for free hospital visits and meds?

  • June 15, 2009, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That's it?!?!? Pocket change!

  • June 15, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    and disease prevention. I quit smoking years ago, exercise, have a treadmill in the bedroom. My wife has got us on the Rave diet and I feel fit as fuck. None of you will have to compensate for me, and I sure as shit don't want to have to compensate for any of you, provided you don't abuse yourselves with smoking, overeating and drinking.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Read RISK: The Science and Politics of Fear

    by Sepulchrave Dan Gardner. The ONLY thing that keeps us from reaching 100 in fairl good condition in the West are smoking, alcohol and obesity. Other dangers to health are negligible by comparison. If we could do something about those three factors, we could constuct a healthcare system that might be able to deal with the other problems within a reasonable budget.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I think that's fair. I'm not saying 2X or more over anyone, but definitely some premium over the premium.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    And I feel fucking great. No fish, even. Pure plant-based diet. Helps with talkback stamina too.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Oh and my friend (25) goy lymphatic cancer last year

    by Sepulchrave

    ...did six months of chemo. CAT scans, endless consultations, meds, psychological counseling, the works: a fortune in medical expertise and infrastaructure. Recovered completely. Now back in the pub. Smoking cigarettes. Fucking idiot. Expensive idiot.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Oh and my friend (25) got lymphatic cancer last year

    by Sepulchrave

    ...did six months of chemo. CAT scans, endless consultations, meds, psychological counseling, the works: a fortune in medical expertise and infrastaructure. Recovered completely. Now back in the pub. Smoking cigarettes. Fucking idiot. Expensive idiot.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 15, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 15, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    We should all submit to physical testing

    by Sepulchrave

    like cars; they have to pass a test here to be deemed roadworthy but any fool can take his or her monstrous mess of a body out for a spin and expect the rest of us to pick up the tab when it crashes. Why? Give medical cards to people who have proved they can take charge of their physical wellness.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    His eating any animal products is going to hold him back from his weight loss.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Oh you veggie Jews can work it into any conversation.

    by Sepulchrave

    Still, at least you don't have to eat chopped liver... ...urgh, liver.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Friedman Suing Fox For Wrongful Termination, Scientology Blamed

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    New York Daily News say Friedman was fired not because he encouraged people to run out and illegally download one of his employers' own movies(Wolverine), while that same employer at the same time chided other writers for doing the same. Instead they say he was fired as part of some big conspiracy spearheaded by Scientology. No I am not joking.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Moore's a putz but....

    by drewlicious

    I never miss a movie. Quality filmmaker even if he disorts the living crap out of the truth. But just like "Sicko" I'm going to enjoy seeing him set his sights on a worthy target.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Not only that, but being a fit nation means mental fitness too. What holds us back is that too many Americans (all Republicans, natch) are stupid as fuck. Look at Dioxholster and Ashoko's posts, for Bale's sake. <P> Imagine if we're a totally fit nation. No more fat clogging the brains of Fox News viewers, hence no more Fox News. Oh what a great day that would be.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I'll Be Interested In Seeing How Universal Healthcare


    Works out here. I expect politicians in this country will get tarred, feathered, and run out on the rails if healthcare ends up being long waiting lists and disqualifications based on obesity or personal habits. That may be what BSB is thinking about, when he mulls over universal healthcare, but most people are thinking about a magic bullet and will be bitterly disappointed to get UK national healthcare. Not that healthcare in this country is that great, now, but I'm pretty sure the fantasy of many voters will not match the reality of universal healthcare. And, unlike BSB, not all the folks who are so into universal healthcare now are vegan, non-smoking, working out all the time sorts.<br><br>I had meat for dinner yesterday. Lamb. Baaaaaaa.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Give me the quote in Sicko where Moore says healthcare is free in France. ONE. Here's a hint. There isn't one. Never does Moore say healthcare is free, in fact he points out several times in the film the burden of taxes in France, Canada, Cuba to pay for their healthcare. But those taxes pale in comparison to the medical debt and insurance premiums, deductables, copays that are drowing U.S. citizens. <p> No cookie for you.<p> But you're right about limiting the number of smokers, alcoholics and obese people. If only we increased taxes on tobacco, alcohol, and fast food to reduce the use of the causes of these problems. But no, THAT would be evil SOCIALISM. Good thing you didn't get that cookie.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Friedman’s attorney Martin Garbus is further claiming that the leak of Wolverine onto the internet 30 days early, the leak which Friedman used for his illegal downloading, was actually all the fault of Rupert Murdoch to begin with. “Apparently, someone made another copy for themselves,” he says. That’s right, they’re claiming Rupert Murdoch pirated his company’s movie.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    if you keep eating animals you will die prematurely and painfully. Nuff said,.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    They'll Have to Pry My Bacon


    Out of My Cold, Dead Fingers.<br><Br>Fortunately, my fingers will be greasy so it won't be that hard to get it. Ah, the miracles of pork.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Must fight urge ...

  • June 15, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The other artery clogger.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I just play one on talkbacks.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    But then claimed he wasn't when it was argumentatively expedient. <P> Anyway, he's long gone so no one really cares.

  • June 15, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    on Top Chef who make the winning pork dishes are all Jewish? Boggles my mind everytime. <P>

  • June 15, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    She's one animal I'd eat (out).

  • June 15, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Its days are numbered.

  • June 15, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    Agreed BSB

    by HoboCode

    The ywere spectacular. I was agasp at their beauty. Luckily I was allowed to motorboat my girlfriend later that night.

  • June 15, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm going to wear out that tape watching it.

  • June 15, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Lamb Kabobs With Fresh Mint Sauce


    A cold tabouli salad, with olive oil, lemon juice, diced tomatoes and cucumbers, a bit of cumin . . . a little lamb can't hurt you, BSB. No one has to know.

  • June 15, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Stop tempting me with the flesh of animals.

  • June 15, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    True. I was told it would make me stronger (nope) and that I'd be thinner (nope) and that I'd have more energey (nope). That being said, I wasnt sickly either and got along just fine. The problem is that you have to really plan and cook-and I hate cooking. If your on the road, get hungry, well, your shit otta luck unless you find a supermarket. Somebody needs to come up with a fast food veggie chain. Anyways, though I used to hunt, I gave that up years ago. My old shotgun is just a sentimetal object from my dad. I AM planning on very, very soon stopping eating meat again, this time for good. Why? Because, very simply, I believe all animals are sentient beings and as such I dont want to be part in their slaughter. Should the world go back into the dark ages, however, and I had to hunt again, I could do that, but I just dont believe that in this day and age we need to consume all this meat (which I like). But just because I like it does not mean I should do it. I can go back to Protein powder, veggie burgers and the like. Cheese in small amounts is OK. One last thing: Think that in 50-100 years, we who eat meat will be thought of as barbarians by our great, great grandchildren. The conciousness is evolving, and I think its our destiny to evolve to a point where we dont eat meat.

  • June 15, 2009, 2 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    We're doing the RAVE diet. Check it out. Not vegetarian, it involves raw plant-based foods. Little to no cooking. I think that's the diff. I don't know, my wife researched it, I do what she says. She preps the food so I can talkback.

  • June 15, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Lamba and Mango Kabobs


    Serve with couscous. Mmmmm.<br><br><br><br>I am not planning on going vegan anytime soon, but I recognize it is the healthier lifestyle choice. BSB will probably outlive me.<br><br>Not that I object to anything in the vegeterian diet. Veggie burgers are yummy. And tofu. Mmmmm. Just had some soynut butter recently. A lot of sodium, I suspect, but very tasty.

  • June 15, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by Bastard_Chief

    "I never miss a movie. Quality filmmaker even if he disorts the living crap out of the truth." One person's quality is another's steaming pile of shit. Which is what Moore is.

  • June 15, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    I will research the RAVE diet. Thanks for the tip!

  • June 15, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Refer to the challenege douchebag. Still waiting all you fucktarded conservative cunts.

  • June 15, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack <P> Uberman: check it out. It's somewhat related to RAVE. We started on the road to raw foods after watching King Corn.

  • June 15, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    And the White House is riding the fence.<p> Pussies.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:04 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I hope you are too.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Sent by the people via Twitter...<p> BBC & CNN, PLEASE publish information on nationwide strike planned for tomorrow Tuesday throughout all of Iran <p> State TV announced that they will "recount" voted again since tomorrow<p> Ahmadinejad called us Dust, we showed him a sandstorm.<p> Protesters writing "only Mousavi" on Freedon sqr. tower, Iran's most prominent landmark<p> U beat (us),U kill,U cut, what DO u do with d unpreventable growth of new blooms" a Persian song*<p> ppl chanting "Police, police, support us"<p> also 6 students who were beaten last night in the dorm died today. they were from my university. we wore black today :((<p> Police destroyed computer <p> NOTE to HACKERS - attack - pls try to hack all iran gov wesites. very difficult for us.<p> confirmed - ahmadinejad website hacked off net.<p> Intelligence calling homes and play recording saying "u participated in today's march, don't repeat"<p> Reports of gunfire in Tehran's Saadatabad district<p> Tarasht dormitory is seiged by basij<p> Non stop sound of shooting heard in Tehran

  • June 15, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The election was Roved!!! 10 minutes after polls closed they announced 64% win for Mahmoud? How do you say WTF in Farsi?

  • June 15, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    what a great nation it truly is. Allah Ackbar!!!!

  • June 15, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 15, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 15, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 15, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 15, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Persia rising!!!!

  • June 15, 2009, 4:22 p.m. CST

    People are speaking about Iran...

    by DoctorWho?

    ... not as an enemy - but as a people who has had their freedom taken from them. I don't know how this will resolve, but those protesters need to know they are not alone. Will Obama vigorously denounce the killing and brutality of the mullahs and their thugs?

  • June 15, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    And that's understandable. His Middle East plan hinges on diplomacy with whomever is in power. Surely the CIA can work matters undercover, and aid Mousavi's supporters. But Obama can't be seen rocking their boat. <P> Also, I've never spoken about Iran as an enemy. Because I'm not fucking brainwashed.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    in Iran that can affect peace in its future foreign relations.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • seeing as how he founded Hezbollah doh!

  • June 15, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Quite appropriate: <P>

  • June 15, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Who said you spoke of them as an enemy? <p> If anything you've spoken of them as a model of stability in the Middle East.<p> And the notion that a president cannot speak forcefully if he is to have diplomatic relations is nonsense. Ahmadinejad speaks forcefull, vile rhetoric and we still come to the table. Reagan worked mumerous deals with the soviets and spoke bluntly about communism. It's the way it is played.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    No, BSB my wife is Indian.

    by DoctorWho?

    But we have a mutual friend who's husband is Iranian and he is in Iran as I write this!<p> She happens to be in Columbia for a vacation...we are trying to email her and see if she has any reaction from him.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Not the same thing. Allah Akbar.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Is she Pakistani?

  • June 15, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I was perplexed by Obama's appointment to begin with. He surely was the wrong man for the job.

  • June 15, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • June 15, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    would characterize me as in league with Hamas and Hezbollah. Those were fun times.

  • June 15, 2009, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Moore is crybaby, loser Socialist- just like Obama.

    by ZodNotGod

    I'm sure Moore's flick will be one-sided and full of shit just like all the rest of his junk. FUCK CUBA!

  • June 15, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG

  • June 15, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG

  • June 15, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG

  • June 15, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG

  • June 15, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 15, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Yes BSB, she is a Muslim

    by DoctorWho?

    She was born here in the U.S. Her father was adevout Muslim from Hydrabad and was caught in the upheaval when Pakistan seperated. He was actually held prisoner by the Indian govt mistaking him for a Pakistani spy! He was held there for a month or two I believe and had to prove he was Indian. <p> David Frost actually interviewed my wife's mom at the time about her struggle to get him released. I have never seen the footage but my wife was about 5 years old at the time and was on camera.

  • June 15, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Silence speaks a thousand words. Obama can't just come out and dispute the results of an election that for all we know was conducted legally and in the spirit of democracy. Iran's main argument against the U.S. is that our government is trying to undermine their democratically elected government by covertly installing a Western, pro U.S. regime against them. What's it going to look like if the U.S. comes out and backs a pro western candidate that for all we know lost the election? It will feed right into the Shah's hands and he will crack down even further on the protesters. <p> I say fuck these protesters actually. What evidence do they have that the election was rigged? Have they given any? Why would it be? It's a figurehead political position and these assholes are burning down the cities because they lost, while Mousavi has done nothing and pretty much endorsed the behavior. Way to let us know he and his protesters are serious and wouldn't be just as fucking fucked up as Ahmadinejhad. <p> We are trying to open up a diplomatic dialogue wit hthe country no matter what the outcome is of this election. It's essential to our own security that that happen. So why would Obama take a side. It would be the worst thing he could do.

  • June 15, 2009, 5:26 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Break time is over.

  • June 15, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That's funny considering Indians and Pakistanis ARE the 'same people". Or am I off the mark there? Kinda like a Korean proving he's South Korean instead of North. He's still a Korean.

  • June 15, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Funny you said that. I'd read that the Obama Administration would prefer to engage an Ahmadinejad Administration instead of Mousavi, if only because that's the known factor. <P> However, let's not categorize the protestors as a-holes, please. This is real democracy in action.

  • June 15, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Can Moore do an expose on Old Country Buffets?

    by lockesbrokenleg

  • June 15, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 15, 2009, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 15, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Actually there is a lot of evidence Hobocode

    by Continentalop

    That the election was rigged. In fact, Juan Cole presents some good evidence: <p>

  • June 15, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    And Obama shouldn't say a thing

    by Continentalop

    As BSB said, Iran has long history of other countries interfering with their elections, including the 1953 (I think that is the year) election that the CIA rigged so the Shah would come to power. So the last thing that would help the Iranian protesters right now would be for Obama to say he supports them, and all Ahmadinejad has to do is say "See! American puppets!"

  • June 15, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Oh, the whole world knows Iran is a fucked up nation

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Every time they show an image of Iran on TV it's always of riots in the streets.

  • June 15, 2009, 7:24 p.m. CST


    by The Dark Shite

    Ok TITBAG, I haven't spoken for around a day, so your random message to me saying "Shut the fuck up" just looks dumb. You're a wanker mate. Caps lock kid! <p> I've shot more intelligence on your Ma's tits.

  • June 15, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Good one!

  • June 15, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That's just shy of Bale's cock!

  • June 15, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    It took him a day to come up with that. Let's at least credit him for the effort.

  • June 15, 2009, 8:20 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    A 10-hour delay in response ruins the spontaneity.

  • June 15, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    that the mighty Persians have risen to the occasion in defending their precious democratic ideals. Allah be with them. Allah is great.

  • June 15, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    No, Obama should not dispute the results of the election but he needs to call for the Iranian regime to respect basic human rights as the protests grow (which he may have already done). <p> But I think you need to read up on what Iran is all about and educate yourself a bit...see Claudia Rossette or Michael Rubin for example. This is an authoritarian, semi fascist theocracy not some budding democracy. <p> Mousavi is NOT the answer...the people are sending a message which has been repressed for decades.<p> I may be wrong but I find it ironic that you probably have no doubt that Bush "stole" TWO elections yet cannot conceive of the true theocrats and thugs capable of it.

  • June 15, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    "That's funny considering Indians and Pakistanis ARE the 'same people"<p> No, you're right on the mark! I would call it silly but I don't understand the full history behind the division in the first place. <p> "IT'S DUE TO THE POWER AND INFLUENCE OF PRESIDENT OBAMA" Thanks for the chuckle....

  • June 15, 2009, 9:20 p.m. CST


    by Prossor

    What's the problem fellow professional?

  • June 15, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone think Moor is a guru?

    by mojoman69

  • June 15, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Bringing Sexy Back...

    by FeralAngel

    Reagan cut corporate taxes when he had to deal with a truly horrible economy (courtesy of Obama's noble ancestor, Jimmy Carter), and it worked; the economy rebounded. A strong dose of that remedy would work wonders for the malaise we're suffering now. As for unions making major concessions right now...well, why do you think it was necessary? From Fortune Magazine: " As analyzed by Harbour-Felax, labor costs the Detroit Three substantially more per vehicle than it does the Japanese. Health care is the biggest chunk. GM (Charts), for instance spends $1,635 per vehicle on health care for active and retired workers in the U.S. Toyota (Charts) pays nothing for retired workers - it has very few - and only $215 for active ones. Other labor costs add to the bill. Contract issues like work rules, line relief and holiday pay amount to $630 per vehicle - costs that the Japanese don’t have. And paying UAW members for not working when plants are shut costs another $350 per vehicle." Got it now? There's more info on that subject, but we're costing Harry enough bandwidth as it is. And as for the gov't running the auto business...hell, it's been doing it for years via tree-hugging legislation and other stupid add-ons courtesy of members of Congress. Now we've got the Boy Wonder firing auto company heads and attaching strings as to what kind of cars they can build. Yeah, that'll help people choose American cars over Japanese. As for spending, Obama is now talking about taxing health benefits in order to give people without health benefits health benefits. There's some fucked up logic for you. And people in England and Canada are HAPPY with their health care? What orifice did you pull THAT out of? Here's the facts, courtesy of PBS: "SURPRISING FACTS ABOUT AMERICAN HEALTH CARE Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government role in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered, says Scott W. Atlas, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor at the Stanford University Medical Center. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers: * Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. * Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the United Kingdom and 457 percent higher in Norway. * The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries: * Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. * By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them. Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians: * Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). * Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor." Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom: * Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long -- sometimes more than a year -- to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. * All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. * In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment. Source: Scott W. Atlas, "10 Surprising Facts About American Health Care," National Center for Policy Analysis, Brief Analysis No. 649, March 24, 2009." There you go. Nothing like a good dose of FACTS to clean the mental colon. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

  • June 15, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    If you really want to know what's up read Greg Palast

    by malificus

    THAT guy is the single greatest real journalist working today and Michael Moore isn't fit to shine his shoes.

  • June 16, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Feralangel, your 'facts' are from the National Center for Policy

    by Sepulchrave

    which is: "The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is an American non-profit conservative think tank. NCPA states that its goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector." It's a fucking stooge for the private health-care insurance and Big Pharma. You dolt. Their facts are worth less than dogshit. get your lobbyist garbage outta here.

  • June 16, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    It was your 'facts' about prostate cancer in Norway

    by Sepulchrave

    ...that caught my eye. look it up with the WHO. Bullshit. Absolute fucking bullshit. Owned.

  • June 16, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    And they work out of Dallas, Texas, for Chrissakes.

    by Sepulchrave

    The Pyongyang of the USA.

  • June 16, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Agh! It gets worse.

    by Sepulchrave

    The Chairman of the NCPA is Pierre DuPont IV. Yes, those DuPonts, the CHEMICAL CORPORATION DuPont that turned the Mississippi Delta into a cancerous soup.

  • June 16, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    OK so the election appears to have been rigged.

    by HoboCode


  • June 16, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    OK so the election appears to have been rigged.

    by HoboCode


  • June 16, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    OK so the election appears to have been rigged.

    by HoboCode

    FIVE FUCKING MILE LONG PEACEFUL PROTEST! Holy shit. I take back what I said about fucking the protesters. Get a fucking clue Khamenei. This is a potentially real democracy in the middle east. Not a puppet regime forced on the populace through military intervention.

  • June 16, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST


    by TITBAG


  • June 16, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Those were the same false figures cited, and discredited, numerous times during the election. <P> You would think that since Obama's been in office 6 months the Right would come up with some fresh lies.

  • June 16, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Do you seriously expect me to address that copy/paste mess of lies as a real counter-argument? <P> If you're going to debate someone, do what I and others did. Take each of my points to task. Like I did with yours. Don't copy/paste bullshit. That's lazy and worthless. <P> And if you're gonna end the post with a zinger, make sure it's funny.

  • June 16, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "A strong dose of that remedy would work wonders for the malaise we're suffering now." <P> How would it work wonders? <P> What size tax cuts do you believe will result in such wonders? <P> What range of wonders can we expect? Describe please? <P> Will tax cuts solve the problem of declining sales? If yes, please elaborate.

  • June 16, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    For BSB, enjoy

    by Continentalop

  • June 16, 2009, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Quotes of the Day:

    by Continentalop

    “President Ahmadinejad would like nothing better than to see a very aggressive series of statements by the United States that would try to put the U.S. in the center of this. And I think President Obama is avoiding that quite rightly.” <p> “This is not a dispute for the U.S. to be the center of,” Burns said at another point. “It’s up to Iranians to decide who Iran’s future leaders will be. He said he respects Iran’s sovereignty. I think it was important to do that.” - Nicholas Burns, former ambassador to Iran during George W. Bush. <p> "When your adversary is making a fool of himself, get out of the way. That is a rule of politics Lyndon Johnson once put into the most pungent of terms. U.S. fulminations will change nothing in Tehran. But they would enable the regime to divert attention to U.S. meddling in Iran’s affairs and portray the candidate robbed in this election, Mir-Hossein Mousavi, as a poodle of the Americans... <p> The dilemma for America is that the theocracy defines itself and grounds its claim to leadership through its unyielding resistance to the Great Satan—the United States—and to Israel. Nevertheless, Obama, with his outstretched hand, his message to Iran on its national day, his admission that the United States had a hand in the 1953 coup in Tehran, his assurances that we recognize Iran’s right to nuclear power, succeeded. He stripped the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad of their clinching argument—that America is out to destroy Iran and they are indispensable to Iran’s defense," - Patrick Buchanan.

  • June 16, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    No-your right on. As for the far right, what you are witnessing is the death of a political party. Soon it will only be a lunatic fringe movement dominated by angry rich white men and their followers-mostly poor, uneducated, white supremist types. They're angry a Black Man hold the highest office in the land; Theyre angry that the scientific community is convincing the world that Global Warming is real; They're angry that latinos will soon replace whites as the majority; they're angry that they cannot wage war/torture with impunity; They're ultra-paranoid that somebody is going to take their guns, so they stockpile weapons in the hope that someday things will crumble so that they can murder at whim all those they think are messing up our country; Theyre angry at public Schools for teaching science and evolution, as they believe it contradicts a book written by space gods thousands of years ago. They have one idea: Tax Cuts for the richest 1% of the population. Thats it. But even is Obama bumped his head in the night and woke up convinced we need this tax cut, they would still secretly despise, distrust and hate him-just like they really do Michael Steele. Anyone who thinks the far right has got their backs is a fool-esspecially if your a minority. God Help Us All should these thugs ever gain ultimate power.

  • June 16, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Uberman, emphasis on FAR right

    by Continentalop

    I know you said "far right", but I just want to make sure that we point out the difference between someone who is conservative and has a legitimate alternative view point/position versus those who are on the fringe of the right wing and absolutely nuts or partisan assholes (Chuck Hagel vs. Rick Santorum or Tom Delay). <p> Unfortunately, that fringe has a great sway over the Republican party. Yes there are far left loonies as well but I will say that the difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party right now is that you don't see Michael Moore as the key speaker like you do Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. <p> Personally I long for the day when the current Republican party finally implodes, and can either kick out all of the nuts or else a new party (perhaps a libertarian party as long as the exclude the "privatize the sidewalks" crowd) can be formed so we can have a sensible debate about the direction of the country and wether are economy should be based on a Keynesian or a Friedman model instead of wondering where the President's birth certificate is or accusing him of being a Muslim/socialist/Communist/racist/fascist (I don't even know how that works because they pretty much negate each other).

  • June 16, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by uberman

    I do mean Far-Right. The majority of sensible conservatives-Buckley, Powel, etc. need to stand up now and assume control of the party. It may divide them and cost elections in the SHORT run, but in the long run it will prevail. We need true conservatives to balance the scales in our country. Hell, I could see myself even supporting a true conservative when needed. But the current foaming at the mouth rascist, war mongering, corporate bitch theocrate lapdog who represents the party now is destroying the very thing they are trying to save. Remeber: Lincolin was a Republican-Pro-Union, anti-slavery. Today a guy like him wouldnt stand a chance in the GOP. Eisenhower also-raised taxes on the wealthy-he was a Republican, and he was anti-war unless we had to do it. Hope that you true conservatives can re-claim your birthright. Good Luck!

  • June 16, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Where's that Hezbollah supporter

    by Prossor

    BSB come back my light trashing professional!!!

  • June 19, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Node, I'll take your challenge

    by Lost Jarv

    Sicko, again: <P>At the beginning Moore shows a league table for healthcare and points out that the USA is below Slovakia. What he forgets is that it is also one place above Cuba. <P>Later in the film, he deliberately portrays Cuban healthcare as far superior to American. <p>This is factually inaccurate- by his own table.

  • June 22, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    What Mike digs up this time. A true American patriot. BTW, when Obama adressed the ongoing junk food problem in this country, you think he specifically was referring to one Bill Maher's dildo? But no, seriously Moore,just take the Farhenheit money and move to France or something.

  • June 22, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    BTW, Uberman...

    by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby

    Way to stereotype an entire political party. It's one thing to personally represent or prefer a party. It's quite another to spew out the garbage you typed onto this fucking site. So, I guess according to you, the majority of my family (far right) is just an ammunation, god-fearing, klan member? Yeah, you seem to represent whats going wrong with this fucking country. I suppose now I'll bid you adue with Enjoy the lattey and the tofu! Open up that mind just alittle further, okay fellow American? (btw, I voted for Obama).