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Wait a minute? Gambit is John Carter? And Wolverine's girlfriend is Deja Thoris?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I don't really know what to think of this news. Borys Kit at The Hollywood Reporter just broke a story that the two leads of Andrew Stanton's adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs' JOHN CARTER OF MARS series have been cast.
Civil War soldier turned inter-planetary traveler and hero John Carter will be played by Taylor Kitsch, best known to movie-goers as Gambit in the horrible WOLVERINE movie that just came out.
Also nabbed from the X-Men Origins call-sheet is Lynn Collins, who played Wolverine's real/not-real girlfriend Kayla.
I wasn't as taken with Kitsch's turn as Gambit as most were, but he did have a certain charm. I don't see him as having the weight of character, the history written in his eyes and on his face that John Carter needs, but if Stanton sees that in him I'll defer judgment until I see him in the role. The kid definitely has talent, but this is going to be a big proving ground for him.
Collins... that one I don't really see any light at the end of the tunnel. I hope she surprises me, but I thought she was horrible in WOLVERINE. Maybe that wasn't her fault, that whole film was a mess after all... and I remember liking her in BUG. But Dejah needed to be someone a man would do battle with a sea of 15 feet alien warriors for. A Charlize Theron, perhaps. Or, if you want to go for someone obvious, an Angelina Jolie (after she's had a couple of sandwiches).
I don't know. This casting isn't the worst news in the world, but it doesn't get the fire going. I think Kitsch has the potential to surprise us and really cement himself as movie star with this role. But he's going to have to bring everything he has and more to this character. I hope he's up for the challenge.
What do you folks think?
-Quint
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...that they make him a modern vet, instead of a civil war one.
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Can't lose. He's great on FNL. Hopefully he can pull it off.
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thank you reality television and general mass apathy for free thought...
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Nothing against either of them, but this is just a non-event in terms of casting.
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They have a habit, sans Toy Story and Cars, with not putting A-list talent in their main character roles for the most part, so Stanton may have something up his sleeve doing so.
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I really don't know either of these actors and don't really care, but someone need to say it.
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I hope TK is better that the 8 min he had in XMOW
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Nobody involved in the making of X-Men Origins: Wolverine should be allowed to work again. Except maybe Dominic Monaghan. He's alright.
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Not his fault he looks nothing like Taylor Mane
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I wouldn't say John Carter is a well known property, you would think a studio would require somebody known to anchor the film.
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Fuck no am I gonna give a cent to this shit. I smell an illegal download.
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yeah I said it.
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Well at least the Taylor Kitsch part. There was an article in Outside last month where he went fishing with one of the magazine's writers in Texas, and towards the end the author off handedly mentions Kitsch's agent calling or texting him saying they just got the script for Andrew Stanton's new John Carter film. Well I guess that didn't make it a sure thing, but I'm at least not surprised. Plus, I like the guy alot in FNL, and hope he does a good job with the roll.
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Not good. Not good at all. Kitsch has all the gravitas of a pressed ham sandwich on white bread with mayo. And Lynn Collins?!?!?! Dejah Thoris is supposed to be the hottest chick on, literally, THREE WORLDS! And *this* is who they come up with? Don't get me wrong. Lynn Collins is hot, but she isn't even the hottest chick in Hollywood, never mind the planet, never mind, THREE PLANETS!
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I was waiting to hear what dude from the UK or Aussieland was going to nab this role. Kitsch does excellent work on Friday Night Lights though, so I'm down.
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It's Pixar, you loon.. Pixar.
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Probably the best part of Wolverine (aside from Ryan Reynolds 120 seconds of screen time).
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Jun 12, 2009 4:15:52 PM CDT
If Sabretooth is in XM4 I vote Schrieber over Mane
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And Olivier Martinez as a 15 yr older Gambit.And Sentinels Dammit.
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Some jacked-up executive did a shit load of meth then jerked off to those two in Wolverine for, like, six hours. He *DEFINITELY* knows them and his speed-fried brain is absolutely sure that both of them would look great in some fucking harnesses with ray guns and not another stitch on...Whack-whack-whack-whack-whack! Oh, yeah, baby, that's it. That's it. Who's your John Carter, huh? Who's your Dejah Thoris? *ring-ring* BITCH, I TOLD YOU NO FUCKING CALLS!!!
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Maybe I spoke too soon...
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Don't want to state the obvious but...
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It's Stanton, not Pixar. That's not to say I don't trust Stanton, but this is a Walt Disney film, not a Pixar film. I ran into Stanton a few months back and he did tell me a lot of Pixar's braintrust will be collaborating with him on the movie, though. But it's not gonna be Pixar's John Carter of Mars.
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Pixar won't do PG-13, so it is now under Disney. Pixar is NOT doing the effects. This news sucks.
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So they definitely went animated with no REAL actors then?
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Are you shitting me? 2 talentless hacks in a potentially great movie. Matthew MCConannahy would be great as Carter, as Dejah, how about Megan Fox, or Penelope Cruz? She need to be STUNNING and voluptuous. Carter needs to be muscled, tough, and SOUTHERN! Why not get Eddie Murphy! These studios are so out of touch with the source materila I wonder why they bother.
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Me smell this film. It suddenly smell like 10,000 BC.
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He's Canadian.I'm sure that he does fine work on FNL, but John Muthafuckin Carter, Warlord of Mars?!?!? The baddest motherfucker to ever strap on a harness, read some green martians minds, unite the warring hordes, and take down Zodanga?Three words:Not.Fucking.Likely.
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http://tinyurl.com/me6nvz So the question is, is Lynn Collins willing to go nude for the whole running time? I don't think ANYONE can play Dejah Thoris. Her hotness is total fiction. Like Helen of Troy.
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See above post: "Lik ely"LIK fucking ELY?!?!?
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Jun 12, 2009 4:26:22 PM CDT
Y'all don't know 'bout Tim Riggins?...Best find out!
by the_genteel_gentile
FNL is and has been the best show on television for three years running, and Taylor Kisch isa big reason why. Don't even try coming at with a snide comment, just go buy the first 3 seasons and thank me later. Andrew Stanton's a confirmed genius and clear eyes, full hearts can't lose! So put that in your milk and shake it, busters.
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Off topic I know, but my God it was horrible and I need to vent. I've seen episodes of "Supernatural" that were scarier.
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The question is, are you even gonna try? I mean, shit, the green martians are fictions, too. Why don't we just strip a bunch of sweaty, fat dudes, paint 'em with Day-glo green, shove a couple of fangs sticking out of their lower lips, and point 'em at John Carter? 'Cause that's what her casting feels like -- L-A-Z-Y.
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Or with FNL. More power to 'em both. But Paul Giamatti is a helluva an actor, too. Ditto, Steve Buscemi. Why the fuck didn't we cast them?Shit, I better shut the fuck up or Stanton just found his Kantos Kan AND his fucking Sab Than.Ron Jeremy in Day-Glo Green, no clothes, and some reverse vamp fangs for Tars Tarkas?
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You've seen no screen tests or even costume tests for the roles. Why are you so 'Meh' when there really is nothing to see yet? Let's not do the 'Michael Keaton is Batman?!' crap from 20 years ago.
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THAT'S a helluva Dejah Thoris pic, Dogsoup!
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Jun 12, 2009 4:33:22 PM CDT
If its live action people won't associate it with Nemo.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
This is gonna have to pave its own way. Now a story unfamiliar to most with a shitty ass unknown lead.....not very wise. The spectacle of the whiz bang effects will not impress in a semi-live action film.This will bomb without a strong leading man.
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they might as well hired ashton kutcher....this movie is now officially heading in the wrong direction..they need somebody older along the lines of a gerad butler in 300. the girl look alright but they could of hired someone ethnic rather than just a white girl with red paint
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That's the contrary point to yours, it seems. Keaton, good actor, shitty, weak-chinned, gadget NEEDING Batman.
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I know jack-shit about John Carter of Mars. But even I know that Diora Baird is a no-brainer in terms of casting that chick.Her body is hard enough to crack diamonds and she has no problem getting naked. So, what's the problem here, Hollywood?
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I am by no means a fan of her and her weird thumbs, but she really is the closest thing looks and curves-wise to Dejah.
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I don't know why people and critics are trying to pimp that junk. It really was quite bad, just totally senseless, I don't know how anyone can even refute that. Way over the top and not in a fun-cool way, in a asinine-embarassing way. Wish someone would drag that movie to hell and burn it along with Sam Raimi's career.
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This past summer has taught me that maybe Not Even Trying should be a viable option if you refuse to get it right. You know what? Im going to go read this again because i know for a FACT the movie in my head will be better then anything they come up with. I'm so sick of being excited and then disappointed so Im drawing a line right here all over this movie. Fuck it, I ain't interested.
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Hoping for him to bring his A-game on a mega popular character. The key to making sc-fi/comic book character is RESPECT to said character. Dark Knight is perfect example of this.
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and we've already how she'll look with orange-ish skin (see: Transformers)
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WTF is that? Is this gonna be some fucking Polar Express shit?!?! Goddammit! Make me a fucking REAL John Carter movie with REAL fucking actors who LOOK the part then use some bad ass matte paintings and miniatures, HELPED by CGI (not DEPENDENT on CGI.) Motherfucker. Is this shit that fucking hard to get? Burroughs' book absolutely SCREAMS for this, not SEMI-LIVE ACTION?!?!?!Then again, I guess "SEMI" was the only word running through the meth head executive's brain after six hours of jerking off to Kitsch and Collins...
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Jun 12, 2009 4:40:25 PM CDT
This casting feels so "Names on a list" like....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....Disney gave him a list of 10 males and 10 females. Half of them were already highlighted as "Pending Availability." These two were the best of the worst of B-Listers to keep cast cost down and effects budget UP!Lame. Just go pick up some people at the local community theater next time. They are just about as recognizable.
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Thankyou! I am *not* alone!!
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I mention in the piece that I trust Stanton and will defer judgment, but my honest reaction is that Dejah is horribly miscast (how about Eva Green, imagine that!) and Kitsch isn't backed up with enough experience and work that would make me think he could take on this iconic role.That said, you're right. I haven't seen his screen test, I haven't heard his audition. Maybe he's going to knock it out of the park. I acknowledge that in the post. But like Keaton in Batman he's going to have a lot to prove.
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That "list of 10 names" shit sounds just about fucking right. Although how these two fucking got on that list (437 other people dropped dead?), is anybody's guess. Oh, no, I forgot. Pole stroking, tweaker studio exec must've subbed their names in when he had to pull his pants up and deliver that list...*pulls pants up**reviews jizz-stained paper on his desk**grows frantic**begins searching through his own desk**can't find what he's looking for**punches intercom for assistant*WHERE THE FUCK IS MY FUCKING WHITE-OUT, BITCH!!!! WHERE IS IT?!?!
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That guy's waaaaay too young and purty to play Carter. Nossir, I don't like it. The visual casting for Dejah Thoris, however...Yowza! She looks like Frank Cho's version of the character, and that ain't hay!
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It wasn't nearly as hard to encourage audiences to take a chance on Keaton.Most are not familiar with this character or story. So they see a trailer for a film they don't care about with a weak ass looking lead they don't know-- thats a tough fucking battle.
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Dude, I'm telling you man, you have got to get your mits on FNL and feast your senses. The show is no joke and Kitsch has a young Mel Gibson/Brad Pitt thing going on. To hell with James Dean this guy's got Paul Newman potential.
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Eva Green, Eva Green, and then Eva Green again.
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Jun 12, 2009 4:46:45 PM CDT
But you know what....no matter what happens....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...it could have been worse. It could have been directed by Robert Rodriguez.
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A character whose world and story they'll think are cheap rip-offs of Star Wars. Instead of the other way around. Which is the truth."Dude, you wanna go see that Star Wars rip-off with that dude from Friday Night Lights?""No, man, I'm cool."
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the Disney banner? I've seen Stanton quoted as saying it's not an all-ages film but I wonder what kind of expectations he's working under here? I'm not opposed to the actor choices as I trust Stanton but they aren't going to excite people with them until they seem them in character/context.
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Jun 12, 2009 4:49:42 PM CDT
Thats true. The world will seem like a rip off....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...of everything that has come since. Thats the sad thing about being late with an adaptation.
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And starring Rose McGowan!!! You know what? Maybe this Lynn Collins chick ain't so bad. Hmmm. Not bad at all.
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Apparently Quint and I were thinking the same thing.
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Nobody's gonna say "with that dude from Friday Night Lights?", because unfortunately no one watches it.
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...actually sounds more interesting to me. Whats up with that Quint?
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Granted, with something like this they may want the face in order to sell to crowds because it ain't based on a cartoon, comic book or video game, but if the eye candy is there, which I don't doubt Disney will provide, it should garner interest.
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Half the sequences - light saber fights? Check. On cliffs, ledges, and other assorted high spots? Check. Speeder chases? Check. Desert setting? Check. Arena battles? Check. Dungeon prisoners? Check. Sandpeople, I mean, green martians? Check. Big ass star destroyer, I mean, airship, battles? Check. Power of the Force, I mean, to read minds? Check. Small, personal sword fights while larger battles rage nearby? Check. A "princess" in distress? Check. A motley and unlikely group of heroes, some on opposite sides, united by another hero? Check.Fuck, dude. George Lucas is a fucking, thieving ass clown.
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Whether or not Stanton actually was able to choose these actors is the question, and as pointed out above it sure feels unlikely. Certainly not what springs to mind when conjuring the characters as known.
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A total lifeless Manikin.
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I actually liked Desperado and Dusk 'Till Dawn, but now I just wish the dude would disapear and take his giant green sheets, guitar and handycam with him. I'm not even gonna get into it, I've said too much as is and havn't the time or inclination to devote anymore thought to that patronizing jerk.
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'Cause the actual worst thing in Wolverine was my ass in a theater seat.
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Upgrade!
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in the next 50 reboots and remakes and I'll happily go to at least 49 of them.
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Lynn Collins does NOT look like this: http://tinyurl.com/mr4gve
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The first time that we meet Dejah Thoris in APOM, she's in an airship engaged in a battle during which she's captured, quite similar to ol' Princess Leia Organa.Now, for the analogy to completely hold, ol' Luke would've had to have been a prisoner of the stormtroopers himself at the time or one of them.But, motherfucker, Luke and Han *ARE* disguised as stormtroopers (read: Tharks) when they actually meet Leia and rescue her!
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You are a freakin' font of hot ass Dejah Thoris pics! Dude, in the days before internet porn, me and those old covers of naked Dejah Thoris were inseparable. I sometimes felt as strong as John Carter himself, what with all the lifting Dejah Thoris with one hand that I did. ;)
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George Lucas is Milli Vanilli.
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Thark? I mean, stormtrooper. Shit, did I say "thark" again, George? I'm sorry. I'll get it right next time. And I promise not to call Luke "Dotar Sojat" again. For real.
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Jun 12, 2009 5:08:49 PM CDT
Just keep it all FNL and cast Minka Kelly as Dejah Thoris.
by the_genteel_gentile
Mmmm. I'd certainly buy that for a dollar!
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The Hidden Fortress, by the way, awesome. Absolutely - "John Carter + Hidden Fortress = Star Wars!"
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Jun 12, 2009 5:13:35 PM CDT
with a little Lord Of The Rings sprinkled on top.
by the_genteel_gentile
For good measure of course.
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Those covers are now in my DNA...erm...or had my DNA all over them...I forget...Which is why I just can't give over my adolescent fantasy to some lacking person. Who looks like this?!: http://tinyurl.com/aw9xg9
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Ooh, ooh, ooh, I hate Lu(cas)!
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Jun 12, 2009 5:17:52 PM CDT
DOGSOUP - You know what that last picture just made me think of?
by the_genteel_gentile
Kim Kardashian, sincerely. Which of course is NOT a good idea, but I'm just saying.
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...for me to accept a Confederate soldier as a hero. A whole lot. It's why "Gone With the Wind" is garbage to me. The South was not fighting for a noble cause. They were fighting for slavery-- plain and simple. Or at least they didn't want to give it up for economic reasons, which is plainly wrong, and it's just about impossible to heroicize anyone from that side at this day an age.
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I've actually had lengthy discussions with my wife about Burroughs presentation of Dejah Thoris (through the eyes of John Carter) and how that has effected my perception of women ever since. Sort of a "princess of Mars pedestal," I guess.Unfortunately, discovered porn about the same time so it would appear that, like most other men, I've got a dual vision of women - pristine princess on a pedestal and nasty fucking whore. (I actually think "New Wave Hookers" was my first porn.) I am, needless to say, quite insane.
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Sigh.
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Really Angelina and Theron? Snore..... I would take this girl more hotter
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Jun 12, 2009 5:32:13 PM CDT
Andrew Stanton raped my grandfather's childhood!
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I don't have a history with JC (makes me think WWJCD - what would John Carter do?), so I don't care as like some of you do. But, I'm guessing that they were thinking "Franchise!" they went with someone younger.I like the Karl Urban idea myself. He just proved he can play a Southerner.
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You've obviously never read the books so why bother? I'm sure ERB will be crying in his grave.You one of those people who sees all black people as street thugs, all Asians as bad drivers, all Indians as drunks?Not everyone in the South is the same and not all of them fought for what you've convinced yourself they fought for. Many of them, including Robert E. Lee, thought that slavery was sinful, though he resigned his commission in the U.S. Army to lead the Confederates. Despite whatever shit you've convinced yourself of, people, all people, are different and have different motivations, even in war.You might want to educate yourself on the ongoing tensions between the North and the South from pre-Revolutionary War times onward as well as Lincoln's own stated purpose in waging that Civil War for its first half.All that having been said, ERB was a GIANT EUGENICS BELIEVING RACIST who wrote one of the all-time best science fantasy-adventure stories.
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Holy cow.
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Stephen Moyer should play John Carter, a man not a boy!
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Guess its doomed before even leaving the gate!
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Moyers is perfect for John Carter. A blind man in a dark room can see that.
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Not bad. They've got that "gravitas" that John Carter needs.
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That's what this looks like. Can We say Stanton now has fubared this and hasn't even begun shooting.
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...of the long-stemmed cultural tensions between North & South, Lincoln's initial hesitance to emancipate, the complicated motivations for many supporters of the Confederacy and how several of them, including Lee himself, frowned upon slavery. But at the end of the day, they were still fighting to preserve it. Some fought to preserve it for economic reasons, some as an issue of state-sovereignty, and some just decided not to fight the issue amongst their countrymen and hoped that it was an institution the South would naturally outgrow, in time. I can see how otherwise anti-Slavery southerners would decide to ignore the issue for the duration of the war in the spirit of a united front.
But frankly, that just makes it that much worse. Just because Lee saw tolerating slavery as the lesser of two evils-- as opposed to a divided war effort agaisnt the Union-- doesn't make his position any less morally repugnant. Those who place a higher value on their economic prosperity or the expediency of their revolution than on human life itself have no right to claim any moral perspective whatsoever. And granted, there was a lot of disagreement and hipocrisy in the North over the matter of emancipation-- some supported, but still looked down on blacks (like Lincoln), some were against, and probably most didn't really give a damn as long as it didn't involve their day-to-day lives. Perhaps that's how many poor southerners saw the issue, as well, but that lack of compassion for fellow members of the human race is far worse, in my eyes, than mere apathy.
All I'm saying is, beloved or not, "John Carter of Mars" has a HUGE elephant-in-the-room in the shape of Carter's allegiance during the Civil War. It's one of the reasons that I, and many others, will find it incredibly difficult to identify with him. I can appreciate the fact that you wouldn't want to see that part of his character shied away from-- it's like the problem Peter Jackson & Co are having with the name of the dog in their remake of "The Dam Busters". You can pay respect to the original story at the risk of being totally insensitive to modern audiences, or you can change things and come off as cowardly.
The only reason I'm interested is because Stanton's doing this-- I'll admit, I don't really care enough about old-timey space operas (despite my chosen name) to watch a flick about a Confederate-soldier turned Martian-hero unless it's being directed by somebody whose work I've enjoyed before. Stanton's got a tough job ahead of him, remaining true to the Civil War roots of the character while not pissing off everybody else with those same roots. Time will tell, but until then, all I'll say is that I'll take the hipocritical morality of the North to the noble immorality of the South, any day...
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...to know how to present the Civil War angle in a more palatable light. If you can make guys in a goddamn NAZI U-BOAT into heroes, I'm sure you could do the same for a Confederate soldier. Maybe.
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Aria Giovanni and Erica Campbell come to mind.
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... see and know what a hack Robert Rodriguez is. I remember all the flaming when I used to say that when Sin City just came out. Anyways, I trust Stanton and I'm sure that he'll make a great movie out of A Princess of Mars. The guy can pass as John Carter (at least the looks), but the chick is not curvy as I've imagined Dejah Thoris to be.
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Nudity and violence are an integral part of the book series.
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I have high hopes for this film. And Taylor Kitsch is hands down the best thing about Friday Night Lights. And there's a lot of great things about FNL. Don't judge him on 8 minutes of an average film. Judge him on three years of a great series.
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And with Schreiber, a great actor, that's saying something. Because I have never liked the character of Gambit and I sort of liked him in the movie and for me to like Gambit at all means the actor did a good job.And Quint, Charlize has to be knocking on 40s door and Angelina is in her mid-30s. Nothing wrong with that, but they'd be the Queen of Mars by then, not A Princess of Mars.
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I could see it.
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He's in everything these days
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They look the part, though I haven't seen WOLVERINE, FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS-the series or TRUE BLOOD, so I can't judge either of their acting abilities.
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I'm surprised by the negative reception to this casting. Granted, I haven't seen Wolverine so I don't know how Lynn Collins is, but having watched Taylor Kitsch for three seasons on Friday Night Lights, he seems like a fantastic choice to me. And, as has been said earlier, I absolutely have faith in Andrew Stanton's choices. I imagine he's really trying to prove himself as a director capable of making live-action films as compelling as his animated films, so I don't think he would make the mistake of casting actors unable to sell the story.
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But I'll continue to disagree on the "elephant-in-the-room" argument. And I never said I wanted or didn't want "that part of his character shied away from." Where did you get that? His background is barely even referenced in the books much at all. In point of fact, it's stated at the beginning of APOM in literally ONE paragraph that he was a captain in the Confederate cavalry who now has no money (other than Confederate) and no job (since the war's over). Thus, his motivation to be down in Arizona with a friend looking for gold. That's almost all it's mentioned.Look, personally, I would LOVE to see an entire movie about Robert E. Lee or Jeb Stuart or any of a hundred other Confederate soldiers, but this story isn't about the evils of slavery or the hypocritical morality of the North or the noble immorality of the South. It's about a dude who ends up on Mars and kicks ass. That's it.I am a fan of good stories and that's it. I don't give a shit if it's a good story about a Nazi, or a Confederate soldier, or a Union soldiers, or dead people who come to life on the banks of a giant fucking river that spans a planet, or a ass-kicking demon on a quest, or an human who uses an alien fucking avatar to bring peace to a planet. I don't care. I just want a good story.Personally, John Carter's Confederate soldier-ness is literally so unbelievably peripheral to this story that I wouldn't waste a nanosecond worrying if it got cut. Conversely, I also don't think most people will give a shit if it's handled exactly like it is in the book: I pretty much picture this starting out in Arizona with two wandering friends, Powell and Carter, in dusty boots, hats, and worn-out military duds. (Yes, probably gray trousers with suspenders and a tight long johns shirt underneath.) I hear Carter's voiceover, explaining that,..."My name is John Carter; Captain Carter of Virginia. At the close of the Civil War I found myself found myself the servant of a state which had vanished with the hopes of the South. Masterless, penniless, and with my only means of livelihood, fighting, gone, I determined to work my way to the southwest and attempt to retrieve my fallen fortunes in a search for gold."Voila!But, hell, even if for some strange reason, the screenwriters decide to explore his Confederate past (when Burroughs never did), I still think few would give a shit. For evidence, I give you...Cruise as a Nazi,...Winslet as a Nazi,...Pitt as a Nazi,...Jude Law as a Confederate soldier,...Etc.I honestly can't see a single soul (except you, I guess) leaping to his feet at the above voiceover and going --"Confederate? Egads! I'll have none of this! Everyone knows that those ruffians fought for slavery. Come, darling, let us away from this vile theatre!"Honestly, dude, you know that many people who refrained from or walked out of Valkyrie, The Reader, Seven Years In Tibet, and Cold Mountain because of who the characters are/were?!?!?! That's kind of sad. Their prejudices will keep them from learning a lot.
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....uhh who gives a fuck. I'm sure there were plenty of Nazi's that were also decent people, does it really fucking matter considering what side they are fighting on? I do agree with StarWarsRedux. Its a little odd to make a kids movie where you root for the dude that was beating on his slaves a year ago. Of course not all of them did....but thats the image you get. Just like the image that every Nazi was an evil monster. Thats what happens....we simplify the enemy. That being said, who fucking cares. Gambit boy sucks dick, so I'm downloading illegally anyway.
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Jun 12, 2009 6:38:40 PM CDT
Cold Mountain was garbage for the same reasons.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
.....I could give a fuck watching a grey coat get abused.
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Quint, you need some slapping upside the head. This actress is more attractive and exotic, which is what dejah needs to be. as for her acting chops, you know, i didn't read ERB novels for the subtle characterizations.
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Not every fucking thing ever written needs to be raped and adapted. How bout we just let it be?
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that no one has figured out the real reason these two were hired. They're cheap and they can be signed for sequels. for me it looks like a poor attempt to attact teenage girls with a talentless prettyboy and the teen boys with a hot chick.
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Just fine. Just thank God it's not Shia Labeef.
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Well, me. StarWarsRedux stated that the South fought FOR slavery. I pointed out the error of his ways.And, like him, you may miss out on a shit load of good stories there, Dickblood. I'm sure no one gives a fuck whether or not you or he or I go see John Carter or The Reader or Seven Years in Tibet either. We probably out to abstain from Bobby Kennedy flicks, too, since he spent all that time spying on MLK. I mean, seriously, who gives a fuck if the ass clown got shot in the head when all you can picture is him jerking off to illegal wiretaps of MLK and his mistress.We simplify the enemy IN WAR. Perhaps we ought, 150 after the fact, use ART to explore the entire human experience, including Southern soldiers, Nazi death camp guards, Yankee war profiteers, and Zulu warriors.Cold Mountain , however, was a fucking atrocious piece of shit, but not because it dared have a Confederate in it. The story just plain SUCKED.
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It's so tertiary to the overall story that it's only given a line in Burroughs' novel. The movie can even evade this by showing Carter in generic mountain man/miner/cowboy wear and get away with it. They can make him a Civil War veteran who fought because he was a prisoner and fought to get his freedom, or something like that. I'm sure a creative guy like Stanton (and his Pixar pals helping him out) can figure this out.
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Can't be very much being that they're casting b-listers here. Chances are the majority of the moolah is going towards VFX (ILM, maybe?). Either way if I had to choose it would be George Clooney and Cate Blanchett
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Like you said... bittorrent like a motherfucker. They're never gonna do those books right (or justice), but what the fuck...
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Jun 12, 2009 6:49:54 PM CDT
The Bicycle Sharer -- you got a lot of good points....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...respect.
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There is no other way.
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This will wind up being as throwaway as Wolverine and X3.
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I mean, seriously, it's about as fucking important to that story as the color of Carter's hair or the time that he got a real serious blister on his big toe that hurt like hell until he put some medicine on it and then it still hurt but not so much and finally it went away and...Doesn't fucking matter. It's ONE three or four sentence paragraph in a thick ass, densely worded (although not terribly thought-provoking) novel.
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when I've seen the actual movie.
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Quint is making as if she's below Angelina Jolie, in the looks department. wha?
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LOL! Gold, dude! Gold!
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...but you can make John Carter a modern day guy, maybe an Iraqi War veteran who's a drifter or ranch hand. I know you guys want to stay close to the novel's opening, but really, as long as you get the basics of John Carter's character right, you can pull it off.
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Actually Robert E. Lee was not antislavery; he sounds antislavery only when one line in a letter is quoted out of context:
http://tinyurl.com/m5jvs9
As for the Civil War generally, 4 points:
1. The Confederate government's primary motivation was to protect slavery.
2. But many ordinary Southerners fought to protect their homes from invasion and not to defend slavery.
3. The Union government's primary motivation was a power grab and not to end slavery.
4. But many ordinary Northerners did see themselves as fighting to end slavery.
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Jun 12, 2009 6:59:40 PM CDT
If they just went a tiny bit farther into 'Pussy Boy' territory.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....for Carter-- they could have cast Jesse Eisenberg.
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Not terrible, it's just weak. That's all.
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Oh, my gosh! Thank you. Thank you. This is so unexpected. I don't have anything prepared. Um, I'd like to thank my agent, ol' fifteen percent Morty Shecklestein. Uh, oh, oh, StarWarsRedux, I'd like to thank you. Thanks for offering me the chance and believing in me. Uh, oh, my parents! Thanks, Mom. And, uh, God! Thank Him! Peace out.Feels like I won something very special and rarely seen 'cause I've never seen Dickblood handing out compliments. Ever. Fuck me, dude. Thanks.
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Freida Pinto
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About most things that you've written there. Guess, it depends upon your definition of "anti-" when discussing Lee. He certainly wasn't "pro-" slavery and viewed the institution more as a "necessary" evil by which God was testing both African-Americans and white people alike, including slave-owning whites and non-slave-owning whites and that the issue would be resolved by God in His own time and that all men should restrain their passions (and desire to go to war) until such time as He chose to resolve the conflict and free the African-Americans. That's about as precise as one can be about Lee's view of slaves and slavery.
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Far less admirable motivations."Nice, dude, and so true. Continuing words of wisdom for 150 years and counting. The more things change...
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Wife suggested Charisma Carpenter.
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Be glad they're making it at all, I suppose-though personally I do hope these guys they've picked work out. Who knows-? could be pleasantly surprised. It's hard to say. At least you'll get to finally see this made.
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But Taylor Kitsch isn't right for this but he's absofuckinglutely amazing as Tim Riggins.I couldn't be assed to read through all the long blocks of texts above but was somebodies panties in a bunch that John Carter was a reb? It was mentioned like once in the opening page or two of A Princess of Mars. That's it.If they are going with Kitsch, because he's young, they can just say he drifted out west after his family lost everything in the War so ike a lot of people he drifted out west. There, no mention of being a Reb.
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John Carter would've taken one look at the four-armed green martians, calculated the fact that the martian year is twice as long as ours (with a commensurately longer growing season) and immediately started building a plantation, planting seeds, and looking for a whip. ;)
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Some of my DVDs tell me so, before I watch the movie, that I FUCKING PAID FOR!
Hey, assholes that make me watch the little FBI logo warning/THREAT even though I clearly selected the "Go To A Scene" option on my supposedly "interactive" DVD menu. Why don't you fucking protect us from actual fucking threats you fucking facist motherfuckers. I fucking hate that fucking shit to no fucking end.
And it doesn't end, because they keep putting that shit on my fucking DVDs that I fucking buy just to subtly fucking remind me that I don't really fucking OWN anything.
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I never said that you wished for the Confederate-ness of Carter to be shied away from. I was comparing the Confederate-ness to the Dam Buster-Dog problem I mentioned before (if you've seen the original, you know what I mean). Sorry for the confusion, but still.
The points you raise above are interesting, but I don't quite buy them all. Cruise as a Nazi-- yes, but a Nazi who took part in an effort to assasinate Hitler and was finally executed by the Nazi, so there's quite a big asterisk next to his designation.
Winslet as a Nazi-- fair enough. But that entire movie was dedicated to her moral character, so nobody can accuse it of trying to turn a Nazi into a hero.
Pitt as Nazi-- I'll have to take your word on that one, man, because I never saw the damn flick.
Law as Confederate soldier-- well, that's why I didn't see "Cold Mountain" or whatever it's called. I also didn't care to see Tobey Maguire as a Reb in that Ang Lee movie he did. And let me remind you-- I fucking HATE "Gone With the Wind", the movie that probably comes closest to making a Confederate soldier seem, to my eyes, at the very least makes Rhett Butler a halfway respectable character (though mostly that's because he has the self-respect to walk out on that prima-donna bitch Scarlett).
And hey, for all I know, you may be right about how little Carter's part in the Civil War has to do with how the audience will percieve him. From what you describe it doesn't sound like it plays any real role in the story, so maybe people won't care. Maybe they'll treat him like John Wayne in "The Searchers", who's come home from the war and put his past behind him. But audiences of today are far more removed from the Civil War than years ago. The last major film that dealt with it was "Gods and Generals", and we all know how that turned out. People aren't as interested in the selfish-minutia of all the different perspectives of the war, at least not for a big-budget adventure film like this, and I guarantee that when it comes out you will have people who, at the very least, raise an eyebrow to the prospect of a Confederate hero.
What was widely accepted in ERB's time is likely to be widely scrutinized today. Carter is a character who hails from the days that D.W. Griffith, and "Birth of a Nation", neither of which can go mentioned nowadays without the heaviest of caveats. You can't assume that most audiences will simply accept Carter's Confederate past and move on-- Burroughs might've been able to gloss over it in his time, but today, we really ARE going to have to hear his reasons.
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But we'll have to agree to disagree. Well said, though, sir, and well-played.
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Jun 12, 2009 8:36:39 PM CDT
Just started watching FNL; it's true, Kitsch is great in that,
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he's at his best when he's doing something comical and buffoonish, like hazing freshmen, coaching powderpuff or partying. So I agree with the above posters, I don't think he's right for this role.
He's also a model-type and too pretty. I pictured John Carter being more average looking and grizzled, like a Ray Stevenson.
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I have southern blood flowing thru my veins on my fathers side and my confederate relations that fought were absolute badass mutherphuckers. They rode with Nathan Bedford Forrest (need I say more). But if Disney in any way allows the movie to keep John Carter's Confederate roots, especially with the current President in office you can kiss a considerable amount of B.O. away. I can tell you there will be a backlash from certain groups and Disney will not let any chance of negative P.R. affect this movie. I think making him a Southern soldier returning from Iraq more palpatable. This can also lead to some interesting personal conflicts and reality check problems for him cause we know Mars has no atmosphere, so besides fighting his inner demons from experiencing the horrors of urban and desert warfare to coming to grips with this reality he finds himself in (is this a dreamlike nightmare where anything goes, an alternate universe or Mars a half billion years ago. With modern references and atitudes this can actually achieve loftier goals than just Summer Popcorn fare.
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People have argued that ERB was a racist and that he was an antiracist. Both are easy to show because he had both racist and antiracist strands in his writing. At least the antiracist stramds tend to get stronger over time.
John Carter does refer to his background occasionally in the novels. For example, when he meets the Black Pirates of Barsoom [and incidentally, why do they call themselves "of Barsoom"?] he says something like: "I found them very handsome, which might surprise you, considering my old Virginian background." -
All they have to do is release it under their Disney Nature label.
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One detail they'll almost certainly leave out (reasonably enough, IMHO) is Carter's claim that he has remained the same age for many decades and has no memory of his youth -- something briefly mentioned in the beginning and never explained or explored again.
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Here's the exact quote, from _Gods of Mars_:
"Only in the colour of their skin did they differ materially from us; that is of the appearance of polished ebony, and odd as it may seem for a Southerner to say it, adds to rather than detracts from their marvellous beauty." -
"odd as it may seem for a Southerner to say it"
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Looks like its made out of Bondo...
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I can't imagine that this will have the same tone as the novels.
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strikes again
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IT'S PG 13...
IT'S LIVE ACTION....
WAKE UP, THIS IS RAPE!!!!
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"Charity for all and malice for none," whatnot. But let's talk about what's really important here. Anyone know who Stanton's DP on this is going to be?
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Even that four-armed dude better be swinging free, balls hanging free in Red Planet's breeze.
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...and she looks like she belongs on keeping up with the Kardashians. Fuuuuck me. Brilliant. Bury a fucking franchise before it has a chance. If the studio wants to make money, just take the production crew and this cast and start shooting The Final Destination 3D sequel ASAP. Stop fucking around with what could be an amazing fucking property.
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as Aragorn all over again. Hope they come to their senses and hire a Viggo.
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Excuse me, but southerners were murdering wounded black Union soldiers on the battlefeild when that was supposed to be 'truce' time when each side got a chande to gather their dead and wounded officers. They just strolled up and killed them. For this reason alone the North stopped allowing the South to collect their dead/wounded officers. A 11 year old black slave was hung in the South because she cheered when she saw Union army men. 2 years after the war, the Federal Govt. (you know, those evil fucks who want your guns)went down south to collect war dead and give them a proper burial. They were routinly shot at and killed. Southern Farmers purposly plowed over the remains of the Union Dead, taking care to intern their own.
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I cant even think of a movie besides GLORY that did'nt paint the confederates in a favorable light and the Union as murderous thugs. Time to set the record straight, Hollywood.
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when he has had 3 stellar seasons on FNL. But then, FNL was never more than a blip on AICN's radar.
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You open with him as a child, in a crowd as a family is separated on the auction block- drawing a parallel with the side that he defended in the CIvil War and the corruption he fights against on Mars.
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Don't offend this guy, or that race, or this religion, or that handicap, or that size, or that political belief. You know what fuck all you oversensitive bastards who can't let a story be a story no matter what subject matter it tackles or it's main characters positions and or beliefs on things reside. Pussified America is giving us a Live Action PG-13 Non nudity, Non gore, Idealized, Semi Kid Friendly, House of Mouse version of John Carter.
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how did that pan out
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Couldn't believe that in the article.
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Would be like judging Natalie Portman based purely on the Star Wars prequels.She was FUCKING AMAZING in The Merchant of Venice. And she was AMAZING FUCKING in the first few episodes of True Blood.Go watch her as Portia holding her own with Al Pacino, Jeremy Irons and Joseph Fiennes and come back and tell me she's not a great actress. Then go watch her buck naked getting banged from behind, laughing and growling like a cat in heat and come back and tell me she's not hotter than a $2 Pistol at the Compton Swap Meet.To quote the Late Great Richard Pryor: "Bitch was so Fine I
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a sad place to go with such a seminal series. the dude should at least older than a kid fer fuck sakes.
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see the post right above me by 'flipster'? This is why I don't take fanboys seriously.
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Taylor Kitsch turned 28 in April.Lynn Collins turned 30 a week and a half ago. Why is EVERY actor who wasn't a big action star in the 80's and soon to be eligible for social security a "KID" to you people? It's like the morons in those TREK talkbacks calling it "Dawson's Trek" when almost every actor in that cast is in their late 20's or early 30's.Kitsch is a MAN. Collins is a WOMAN. You geeks acting like angry twelve year olds when some of you are two or three times that age are the only KIDS in this talkback.
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Fuck! This blows major chunks! As a lifelong ERB fan, I was hoping THIS was the role that Hugh Jackman would fall into. But this guy...bleh and double bleh.And all those praising his FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS acting are kidding themselves. He was average at best on the show, average relative to other TV actors, and I never ONCE thought he had some sort of breakaway star quality for being the leading man in a major budget franchise -- which is EXACTLY the kind of manly star power you want for someone playing John Carter.And if I couldn't get Jackman, then I agree with Danny Dickblood. Fuck, why couldn't Christian Bale have stayed away from TERMINATOR and been in this instead?
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Oh yeah, and like most teen guys reading the MARS novels, I always envisioned Dejah Thoris being a helluva lot more voluptuous than Collins here, who -- just like the guy -- looks as if she came straight of out central casting for a frakkin' bad CW show. And she was limp in WOLVERINE, to say the least.THIS is what Hollywood thinks the HOTTEST woman of 3 worlds should look like? Man, I sure hope as part of the budget they're giving her a boob job or something!
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...but perhaps they gave damn good auditions and thusly that was why they were cast? Scary notion I know. Personally it makes sense they're going youngish with Carter considering Disney will be looking at a long term franchise here and well Stanton is two for two, so I'm gonna reserve judgement until we see something in a year or two.
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Can't you see the forest for the trees? Wolverine may not have been everything you wanted, but Jesus Christ, it was way more fun and exciting than Fantastic Four or whatever. Go f yerself in the a. You whiny dooshes. At least the success of the film means there will be more chances of making the Wolverine film you want. Jesus, you people bitch...
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and looks like she already has fakies!
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Everybody whining about the casting should take a deep breath and consider who (excepting Alec Guinness, maybe) was a major, A-List actor in the original Star Wars films. I take the cast so far as a good sign that they're putting story first.
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M-E-H...meh.
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I thought taylor kitsch was decent in friday night lights, he can do a southern accent (although perhaps not a cajun one) and in that show he managed to instil some humour and depth in a character that could easily have been exceptionally flat.
I'm a big comic fan and I was happy to see him cast as Gambit, and accent and terrible fx aside i thought he was one of the better characters in the movie.
Had he been in it for more than 3 minutes i think kitsch could have potentially aced Gambit, and i'm willing to gamble he'll be a good John Carter, and with a director like Stanton who has shown a flair for developing likeable characters perhaps a great John Carter!
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That KID is not John Carter. He doesn't have what it takes to bring him to life. Instead of killing the story to make a fast buck, they should shelve this movie quick, rather than put out a piece of pop culture shit. This story is a classic. If they're not going to do it right they shouldnt do it at all. Peter Jackson has showed us that a classic CAN be turned into movies and done right. We dont have to accept it if it's not. WE don't have to put our money into it. This pisses me off to no end. Karl Urban, or even Hugh Jackman would have been a much better choice. This is just kid crap. John Carter is in his 40's and has age on him. Shit. Congrats Hollywood.
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"He was average at best on the show, average relative to other TV actors, and I never ONCE thought he had some sort of breakaway star quality for being the leading man in a major budget franchise-- which is EXACTLY the kind of manly star power you want for someone playing John Carter."Substitute the last name MCCLANE for Carter and you would sound exactly like most people back in 1988 when they heard the salary Bruce Willis was getting for DIE HARD. I was 19 in 1988. I remember vividly that NOBODY thought David Addison from Moonlighting, who had only two fair to middling Blake Edwards comedies on his resume, would EVER be able to compete as a badass action star on the level of a Schwarzenegger or a Stallone.Then the trailer came out. And the movie came out. And everybody had to STFU about Bruce Willis.Will Taylor Kitsch be that cool and badass? Who the Hell Knows? All we have is a CASTING ANNOUNCEMENT. They haven't shot an inch of footage. No teaser. No trailer. No MOVIE. And this "Kid" is only 5 years younger than Bruce was when Die Hard came out.Did anyone think that George Clooney would be as cool as he was in FROM DUSK TILL DAWN based on his role in ER? I rest my case.And anyone who thinks Lynn Collins needs a Boob Job has never seen True Blood. Check it out. You'll get to see Anna Paquin and Lizzy Caplan naked too. 3 for the price of 1.
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John Carter was a man in early 30's living in the 19th century and having fought in the Civil War, he would look like a man of 40 in today's world. a man with a lifetime of hard living and living with the horrors of war. That is why Burroughs gave him that brief outline so you can picture how he looked. Get a photo of some man in 30's taken right after the Civil War, a hard war makes an individual age. Karl Urban, Clive Owen, Gerald Butler, Pitt and others in there late 30's and mid 40's would be a closer choice to John's appearance. Collins is too old, Dejah is a young woman in early 20's appearance with a very hard tight body with a exotic look. When I saw Freida Pinto in Slumdog, I immediate thought she as the required look. I have seen some high glamor shots of her on the web and she looks like royalty, Collins looks like your average beautiful woman. I have also seen Pinto in some very sexy photo's and she has that exotic erotic air to her. She just needs a month with a trainer to harden her body. Pinto is also in her early 20's. Please Disney, recaste, I am not attacking them saying they are bad just not right for the roles, Kitsch is the best thing about FNL's, and Lynn is a nice woman, who has a sleazy side to her, cough!, TB, she went to Juliard, which is saying something about her talent. Well known actor around 40 and young actress in early 20's. and the script better be a mature epic story not some immature popcorn summer fare (which is the vibe I am receiving from your casting selections atm). If you fuck this up Disney I am sending your offices to Mars.
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Jun 13, 2009 9:35:24 AM CDT
Awsome Pic Mutt, but you need to retype the link there are gaps
by iluvsyfy
She looks great in that pic, but I need to see a glamor shot of Lynn with hair up like a Princess, because I still cannot envision her as royalty.
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"And the sight which met my eyes was that of a slender, girlish figure, similar in every detail to the earthly women of my past life. She did not see me at first, but just as she was disappearing through the portal of the building which was to be her prison she turned, and her eyes met mine. Her face was oval and beautiful in the extreme, her every feature was finely chiseled and exquisite, her eyes large and lustrous and her head surmounted by a mass of coal black, waving hair, caught loosely into a strange yet becoming coiffure. Her skin was of a light reddish copper color, against which the crimson glow of her cheeks and the ruby of her beautifully molded lips shone with a strangely enhancing effect."
"She was as destitute of clothes as the green Martians who accompanied her; indeed, save for her highly wrought ornaments she was entirely naked, nor could any apparel have enhanced the beauty of her perfect and symmetrical figure."
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In agreement, though.
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... from Disney/PIXAR, than as Judas Priest says : "You've got another thing comin'" *dert....nert...dernernernet!*
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Jun 13, 2009 10:59:26 AM CDT
Angelina Jolie (after she's had a couple of sandwiches)???
by famouseccles
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So yeah no more bitching about her I think.
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I have been online trying to find a romantic stylized photo of Kitsch to better guage his look as Carter and found this one http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3200000/Tim-Riggins-Taylor-Kitsch-friday-night-lights-3240624-600-610.jpg - I have to say he might just look the part, he has the physique for it. I also started realizing that if the film does buffo B.O. and begins a franchise of perhaps half a dozen more the actor would be playing the role for a decade and a half, so I can see picking someone in late 20's as he might be 45 or so when the last film is made.
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like the casting is getting fucking old.
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why are you surpirsed Pixar isn't doing the fx? THEY DONT DO VFX FOR LIVE ACTION WANKER.
They tried to in the late 80's and even bid on The Abyss, but they dropped it and haven't gone back. -
Jun 13, 2009 12:09:58 PM CDT
Sandwiches? Give that crack whore a fucking STEAK!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Who cares about Martians when there's crew members and moms still around?
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Jun 13, 2009 1:45:40 PM CDT
Just IMDB'ed Collins. She looks nowhere near as good as this pho
by damien chowder
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at least they didn't stunt cast and piss off thousands and use Will Smith instead.
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I don't know enough about either of the actors to really judge their skill... but their performance in Wolverine can't be used to judge. The stink of that movie colored all the performances.
I'm encouraged that they're no-name actors. That bodes well for the movie, I think.
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a 20 year younger Monica Bellucci, that's about as hot as you can get.
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When all you whiners turn around and think this is the greatest movie ever. I mean, it IS Pixar. They tend to make films you guys love. So, I love how before a movie has even gone before the cameras you bitch and moan. It's gross...
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When all you whiners turn around and think this is the greatest movie ever. I mean, it IS Pixar. They tend to make films you guys love. So, I love how before a movie has even gone before the cameras you bitch and moan. It's gross...
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LANNY BARBIE!!!
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...watch True Blood. At least the beginning of Season 1. She's mad fine.
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A bunch of horny guys are now rooting for this casting. Guys get off somewhere else and let's recast and save this before it ends up Phantom Menace revisited.
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I'm seeing Gerard Butler and Eva Mendes. Not ANYONE from the lame stillbirth that was Wolverine. Kitsch may be a good actor, but he was a horrible Gambit, but then again, I have to conceed that a good part of that was piss-poor writing.
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Josh Holloway born to be Carter with Jessica Alba or Zoe Saldana !
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Bruce Campbell as Carter. Not that he has the acting weight for this ( well who knows he might but maybe he's too old for the part now also ) but he looks more like what I would imagine John Carter looking like ( at least back when he did AOD ). About the woman I'm not sure.
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I think it's great that this movcie is finally getting made. But the fact that they have cast these two individuals in the lead roles has me not only worried but stumped. If it had been me (yeah I know...we all say this)I would have cast a well known actor as John Carter and went from there. I stilll think either Hugh Jackman or Karl Urban would have been terrific casting. All i can say now is that I hope they manage to make me feel like a fool for being concerned. Oh...and for God's sake get ILM or WETA to so the spfx work, 'cuz a film of this magnitude deserves the BEST!!!
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...then go to lanasbigboobs.com and look up a model named Lorna Morgan...SHE would be friggin'AWESOME! And I don't give a rat's ass if she just a skin model who can't act...get her some quick acting lessons ro something. Besides, you cast her, and I guarantee no one will give a shit if she can act or not...they'll be too busy staring at her hot voluptuous body to care!!!
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...have earned a lot of latitude in my book (name one truly TERRIBLE Pixar movie. You can't, can you?). So until I see footage as evidence that JOHN CARTER has gone off the rails, WOLVERINE-style, I'm confident that this flick will be solid.
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...is similar to the best of the Errol Flynn swashbucklers, i.e. Captain Blood and The Adventures of Robin Hood.
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Sounds like Assclown Rothman strikes again!
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In that case, it'll be updated to modern day, John Carter will be a slacker brother who has to babysit his sister's cute tykes for an evening and accidentally gets them transported to Mars where they meet Eddie Murphy in a green rubber suit as Tars Tarkus. FAIL!
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...Tars will be redesigned per Murphy's request to resemble Gumby. Of course.
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... I dunno, she made one fugly Orion chick in JJ Trek!
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That wasn't Diora Baird. That was Rachel Nichols who will be appearing in GI JOE. Trust me - Diora slaughters her.
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is just gonna go ahead and write this one off right now. it will be an abortion...
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is just gonna go ahead and write this one off right now. it will be an abortion...
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Like i said, omitting Toy Story and Cars, they hire subtlety as far as casting goes. This is right in tune with what they do.
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This is good casting? What the heck are you bitching about? Stop complaining, Jesus.
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Christopher Reeve before Superman? OMG they're casting this guy I never heard of as the Man of Steel!?!?
So how'd that work out?
How well known was Mark Hamill before Star Wars? OMG some blond kid nobody ever heard of!?!?
So how'd that work out?
I don't know where some of you are getting this idea that John Carter is supposed to be in his forties. Here's a quote direct from the book:
I was supposed to be a great uncle, or something of the kind equally foolish. I could pass anywhere for twenty-five to thirty years of age, and to be a great uncle always seemed the height of incongruity, for my thoughts and feelings were those of a boy.
He isn't the middle-aged guy you seem to want him to be.
"twenty-five to thirty years of age"
Those are his words, not mine. Taylor Kitsch is twenty-eight, and thus is perfect, age-wise.
I can only assume that you guys first read and fell in love with these books at about twelve or thirteen, just like I did. And when you are twelve, thirty sounds pretty damned old. So as we get older ourselves, we tend to see JC as barely young enough to not be old old. But he isn't that old. He's "twenty-five to thirty years of age."
I just got an account tonight because of this movie. I'll have more to say later. Glad to have fallen in with a bunch of fans, as I can tell many of you are. Kaor! -
it's going to take a while to get used to the posting here. There's no recognition of line breaks, and no way to edit posts. Sorry to make you work on making sense of that post of mine above; it made sense the way I wrote it. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to finish writing that zero-G orgy scene.
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I've seen Lynn collins on stage. as in a play. She is one of the most powerful female leads I've ever seen on stage. Ya'll have no idea what ya'll are talking about. She's pretty damn amazing.
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Jon Hamm from "Madmen." He's definitely got "the weight of character, the history written in his eyes and on his face." And the guy can actually *act*, which is a handy bonus I'm not convinced Taylor Kitsch can bring to the table.
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Thank you for helping me talk some sense into these people. Anyone who thinks Taylor Kitsch is too "young" to play an ex-soldier when there are guys five to ten years younger than he is in uniform right now, is a lunatic.And I would love to see Lynn Collins onstage! Do you remember which play it was?I already recommended The Merchant of Venice in this talkback. If anyone can play a sexy princess, naked or not, it's Lynn Collins.
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Jun 15, 2009 1:35:40 AM CDT
Not to get all gay, but Jon Hamm can't possibly step to this:
by the_genteel_gentile
http://www.fridaynightlightsonline.com/wallpapers/Taylor-Kitsch/taylor_wall_3.jpg 8[REMOVE SPACES]* Just imagine a babe on his arm, a sword in his hand and mars behind him (in fact someone should photoshop that up ASAP). Dude cuts a pretty impressive figure and he can act to boot.
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told Jeffrey Lyons he's "probably" going to do a "very dramatic role" in this movie. Any ideas who that might be? I haven't read the book yet.
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I always assumed the main reasoning behind Carter's past as a Confederate soldier was that he needed to be someone handy with both a sword and gun - the stereotypical saber wielding Confederate cavalryman obsessed with courtesy and honor.
Whenever you read stories that involve people going back to more primative circumstances, I think the author usually comes up with some kind of plot device to explain how they fit in. Either they're a historian, or studied ancient greek, or learned fencing - some excuse as to why they can easily surpass the culture shock. -
This won't happen. Especially given this weekend and last - anyone who'll greenlight a JOHN CARTER movie in the midst of LAND OF THE LOST's $100m failure and THE HANGOVER'S $30m success would be a crazy person, especially given that audience are trying desperately to prove again and again this year that fntasy and sci-fi are utterly dead in America for Hollywood movies.
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But I don't have to be. I'm a fan of Pixar and Andrew Stanton and I suspect they knew what they are doing. I've seen exactly one picture of Lynn Collins that would make me think Deja Thoris, and she was butt naked, but maybe they saw that picture, too. I'll still see this, and not because it's John Carter or whoever is cast in it, but because it's Andrew Stanton, it's Disney/Pixar . . . and they are not updating it to modern times, which would kill it for me, Pixar be damned. And I'm not a John Carter of Mars fan, anyway. I struggled through a couple of the books back in Jr. High School and barely remember them.
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Jun 15, 2009 10:02:28 AM CDT
There Were 14 Year Old Soldiers During the Civil War
by kevinwillis.net
Though I'm pretty sure none of them had Taylor's six-pack abs.
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http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/2200000/josh-3-josh-holloway-2215213-1280-1024.jpg
Sawyer for Carter !
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Jessica Alba
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Presumably, learning the error of his ways--or at least showing an expression of dawning understanding--at some point. And he will fight to liberate Mars, calling it Operation Martian Freedom. After he's dealt with one four-armed Martian, he unfurls a banner declaring "Mission Accomplished".
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...and she has the looks, so she could work. But we all know that Guy Pierce is John Carter. Probably the most important aspect though, and the one most ripe for failure, is the character of Tars Tarkus. They have to nail that or all else is for naught.
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Interesting. I'm assuming he'll do an Andy Serkis, i.e. Gollum and Kong, and he'll be a walking CGI effect/body-mapping/ motion capture. Now THIS is the correct use for mo-cap, not the full on mo-cap fests of Zemeckis.
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it COULD work for John Carter. depends on the director and if they can get him in the right headspace
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Now I like Taylor, Ive been a fan of FNL since the beginning, my favorite characters are Riggins, Saracen & Tyra. And Taylor is a fellow Canuck like myself so I gotta support my boy--BUT, that being said as John Carter, the Conan of Mars, um, fuck no! Daneil Craig people!
I can see why Taylor was picked, he's the new Orlando Bloom for Disney. Get the kids in plus the eleventeen year old girls, sell mad posters & merchandise, making money. We will NEVER get what we have in those Frazetta paintings, unless Disney gives up the rights to someone with balls.
DannyGlovers_DickBlood, everytime I read your comments I agree with you 100% but not this time with Bale. Daniel Craig owns Bale, in fact I'll go even further, FUCK BALE!
Sorry homey, don't agree with you on this one. -
Hey, I think this is awesome casting...
For FINAL DESTINATION 5!
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Charlize Theron and Angelina Jolie would be TERRIBLE as Dejah Thoris. Not that I noticed much about her character of interest, other than sex appeal, across the books I read. Then again, I was 12 or something. I think the actress they picked at least doesnt have me going "ugh, no" like your example. As for the male lead ... meh. Maybe. We'll see.
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Taylor Kitsch as Gambit was such a disappointment. The "Bo Bice" look didn't help him at all.
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This casting is utter shit.
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Theron, Jolie or Eva Green? Dude are you frakking KIDDING? Those are three of the worst choices I might have EXPECTED a Hollywood hack to make. I'll take semi-known Linn Collins over that trio any day of the week (especially Eva Green who wouldn't be the hottest chick in my house let alone on the planet)
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"All that having been said, ERB was a GIANT EUGENICS BELIEVING RACIST who wrote one of the all-time best science fantasy-adventure stories".
ERB was not that simple. Last time I checked the white Martians were villanous, elitist, fops who had to wear wigs...and were also cannibals who thought they were gods, but really were unwitting slaves of the master Black Martians who were technologically brilliant and incredible tacticians.
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Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union first and foremost because he saw this form of govwenment as unique and Noble. He second wanted to eliminate slavery as both a sin and also as a threat to the Union. Lincoln was certainly willing to slow the abolishment of slavery in order to preserve the Union (which if broken would NOT have resulted in Slavery's end in the South by definition anyway). Anyway The North's interest in the War was NOT a "power grab". Let's stop the over-cynical modern revisionism.
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"John Carter is in his 40's and has age on him. Shit. Congrats Hollywood" Actually Carter is of unknown age (He is at least 100 years old) - and according to many references in the books looks like he's between 28 and 30. Taylor may be a bit too short and not look rugged enough...but age has nothing to do with it.
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without the spaces gives you a new paragraph Kaor!
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I'll try my earlier post again.
How well known was Christopher Reeve before Superman? OMG they're casting this guy I never heard of as the Man of Steel!?!? So how'd that work out?
How well known was Mark Hamill before Star Wars? OMG some blond kid nobody ever heard of!?!? So how'd that work out?
I don't know where some of you are getting this idea that John Carter is supposed to be in his forties.
Here's a quote direct from the book: I was supposed to be a great uncle, or something of the kind equally foolish. I could pass anywhere for twenty-five to thirty years of age, and to be a great uncle always seemed the height of incongruity, for my thoughts and feelings were those of a boy.
He isn't the middle-aged guy you seem to want him to be.
"twenty-five to thirty years of age"
Those are his words, not mine. Taylor Kitsch is twenty-eight, and thus is perfect, age-wise. I can only assume that you guys first read and fell in love with these books at about twelve or thirteen, just like I did. And when you are twelve, thirty sounds pretty damned old. So as we get older ourselves, we tend to see JC as barely young enough to not be old old. But he isn't that old. He's "twenty-five to thirty years of age."
I just got an account tonight because of this movie. I'll have more to say later. Glad to have fallen in with a bunch of fans, as I can tell many of you are. Kaor!
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