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EW: Fox Demands Ridley Scott Direct New ALIEN Prequel??
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Tony Scott told collider.com during a “Pelham 1 2 3” junket last month that commercial director Carl Erik Rinsch would make his feature directorial debut on a new Predator-free “Alien” prequel Tony's brother, original “Alien” director Ridley Scott, is producing.
But Fox apparently would prefer Rinsch make his feature directorial debut with some other movie, according to Entertainment Weekly:
Sources at Fox, however, tell EW that the studio is not interested in greenlighting a prequel unless [Ridley] Scott himself directs.
Although I’m certain Rinsch is a perfectly lovely man and his TV ads quite eye-catching, I admit I find myself getting a little chubbed up at the idea of Ridley Scott ordering around a bunch of face-huggers one more time.
Find all of EW’s story on the matter here.
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We hate Fox right?
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Never thought I'd see the day that I agreed with the FOX people. Did it just get cold in here?
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he'd tell Fox to piss off. But hey, money talks, no?
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Kind of sucks for the other guy though. Niel Blompkaff (however the fuck you spell it) scenario.
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Fox are probably reading from a piece of paper which they'll screw up and get the wrong Scott... Cue Keira Knightly with a god awful accent running round the Jockey ship
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His last few efforts have left me cold.
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Great...the age of the remake and sequel have given way to the age of the "reboot". Please Hollywood, never think of anything original, as it will only frighten and confuse us now.
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...so bring him on! If Ridley is actually considering this you have to know the script is more than decent.
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The Alien franchise is on the rocks. I can understand how execs dont just want "yet another one." They want the person who did the first to launch the next. It would make it more sellable.
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Not a reboot, a prequel. Much, much worse. At this present moment, I cannot think of a single prequel that was better than the original, as good as the original, or shit, even good at all. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Ridley is playing with fire.
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Is that possible?!?
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Nobodys really heard of this Rinsch guy. I'm sure since the very start of this project it must have been a temptation for everyone to say 'Hey Ridley you may know a thing or two about this Alien mythology lark, how about you directing'.
Up until now though it's been the Carl guy. Ridley has remained silent on the subject. Whilst his company has been involved his interest has been muted. Even if this does go through we're probably talking 2011 before we see anything at the earliest and this rumour mill gets tired very quickly.
Hell despite this talk I'm doubtful this Alien prequel will come to pass AT ALL. Likewise Predators, with even less chance of them being a step up from the rancid AVP. The trouble they face is the mystery has been removed from these beasts. Less is more with these franchises, but will that fly with audiences that have seen these two creatures now for 20+ and 30+ years respectively? -
Don't you mean your panties get a little soggy, Herc?
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Thats actually kind of cool.
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I guess endless shitty Alien sequels they finally got their brains back!
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That would be awesome if that was the storyline.
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I'm having a hard time trying to wrap my mind around HOW exactly they are going to make this movie good. I mean the best that we can hope for is something akin to the first movie where it was all atmosphere and lack of seeing the Alien. It was the unknown that was frightening. But now we've all seen the Aliens, and we know the outcome of the ship in question. Don't get me wrong, I want this to be good, but at the moment, this whole project reeks of Alien 4. (which, by the way, is the scent of diapers and feet)
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As much as I liked Body of Lies and American Gangster... A Good Year? Hannibal? Oh well. If there was another Alien film made, he would HAVE to be involved for me to be interested.
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there is a god...
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Don't. Just don't. I'd prefer him taking a crack at a new sci-fi.
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Something tells me that they only want Ridelly's name attached for marketing reasons only. They could give a fuck about the films quality.
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they dont have much in common really.
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no other reason that they'd put a commercial director that has been under their wing for years in front of this, unless they were just looking for a proxy.
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Come Ridley and Tony, they've been in like your last 10 movies. So please don't stop now.
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Ad director are good at visuals, and follow orders very well. The client on an commercial set is king and will often dictate what shots a commercial director should do, who will do as ordered.
Studio suits love that. With a commercial director, you often don't have to worry about some egotist who will want to make his vision and is unwilling to compromise. Of course, you also get a bland, by the numbers picture, but that is what the people want. -
another Alien will never be made anyway. there is no story left to tell, its basically worthless. plus a director rebooting his own work is high disaster commencement, his heart wont be in it.
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"... I'm just going to take my ball and go home."
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The Alien films have always had a tradition of new upcoming directors taking charge. Imagine Cameron's and Fincher's careers if they hadn't done an Alien film. So I've no problem with new directors having a crack at it. But Fox know that they have royally fucked the X-men films, eternally pissed off fans with the way they handled Watchmen and not had major film be a financial AND critical succes for several years. In fact the last Fox film I paid to see was Master and Commander, one of the last films greenlit by Fox before Rothman took over (spot the connection Fox?). Getting Ridley to direct simply proves that Fox have lost the nerve and balls that it's execs once had. Star Wars would never been made if Alan Ladd Jr, the exec at Fox at the time, hadn't kept fighting the board about it. Scott in charge of the megaphone sounds great, but it just proves Fox now only goes for the 'sure' thing. And even then, like every film Fox have made for the last 6 1/2 years, they find a way to screw it up. I think word has finally made it back to board off Fox that fans are actually choosing to not see Fox films and Rothman is fighting keep his job. That's my opinion anyways.
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whoops.
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you smell good and yummy...come to Papa
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Open door I think. I always found both Alien and Blade Runner overrated. Good ideas, bad execution (don’t know what drugs he was doing at the time but must have been enough to kill Mongo). Ok now rip me to shreds.
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no way in hell FOX is this smart. Who ever said this shit had their fingers and toes crossed. That asshole was on the phone with Paul WS covering the mouthpiece. "hell no we'd never remake Alien without Scott"
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i fucked your mom and dont tell me shes dead
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Demanding would be Fox saying "Ridley, you're gonna direct this Alien prequel or we're gonna sue your ass." I dub thee Hyperbocules.
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This is a golden opportunity for Sir Ridders to HOPEFULLY restore some much needed life into this dead and fucked franchise. But first off this can only work with an intellegent kick ass fucking script. Not that there's been many of those fuckers for a while. But sure so long as it's not just another retred OR FUCKING REMAKE then I'm fucking in. But don't, don't fuck this up. You have been warned. Oh and if a Predator is EVEN HINTED AT............
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...this could avoid another McG diminished expectation exposition.
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Will the title of an Alien prequel be "Alie"?
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Damb right it would. That's the only logical reason to develop a prequel from this pile of feted fucked franchise, mutilated by lesser sequels and retarded cash-in. Oh those fucking Predators.....
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Run Ridley! Run away! Run away!
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Seriously though, the only possible cool story would be the space jockey's tale.
What if the jockey was an evil guy, on his way to destroy Earth, and the aliens, by killing him, actually saved us? (then his ship crashes on the alien planet)
Nice twist.
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Thought I'd get a head start.
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but then why would we care about him?
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was good shit. although i hated how they killed that little girl, made Aliens seem all for nothing.
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Your love for ALIEN³ is impressive.
But not nearly as impressive as how you taught me how to make the little ³ after ALIEN. -
Jun 10, 2009 2:47:17 AM CDT
I wouldn't fund a film directed by some guy doing Scott's daught
by juansanchez
Why should Fox?
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caruso_stalker stole it from a previous post from another TB and the previous poster stole it from an earlier TB and then that one stole it from an even earlier TB. no one knows who first wrote the little ³ after ALIEN. and sadly his secret is buried with him.
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Arguably: Godfather II.
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Jun 10, 2009 3:08:36 AM CDT
Won't work. They can't persuade him to make it PG-13.
by motoko kusanagi
And that's what Mr. Tom fucking Rothman wants. Family friendly bullshit movies.
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is visually and sonically beautiful and has incredible performances by Weaver and Dutton. Yes it has flaws but i'd rather take flawed beauty than a piece of total and utter shit like Terminator Salvation.
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Say no and this whole sorry situation can be glossed over and put to rest. Fucking prequels.
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Herc we all know you have a little chub.
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was in no way an improvement on the original. Ditto Blade Runner. I honestly think Mr Scott should pass on this one, his sci-fi days are behind him.
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so he can stop sucking up to them, i seriously had enough of this.
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That or Cameron.
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half the reason the aliens are bad ass is because we dont know where they come from right...wouldnt it take away alot of the "discovery" in the movies themselves if we know for example...ok they like heat and the dark...and moisture.Ok so turn on all the lights turn the air down to like..60 and carry a towel.BOOM no more aliens..or am I over thinking it?All in all I think he should pass.Especially since its fox.I mean they are satans testicles right...fuck fox and all that
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half the reason the aliens are bad ass is because we dont know where they come from right...wouldnt it take away alot of the "discovery" in the movies themselves if we know for example...ok they like heat and the dark...and moisture.Ok so turn on all the lights turn the air down to like..60 and carry a towel.BOOM no more aliens..or am I over thinking it?All in all I think he should pass.Especially since its fox.I mean they are satans testicles right...fuck fox and all that
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... how about another story in that universe that is neither a prequel nor a sequel?
Well, as to Ridley Scott's direction with Alien, having watched the director's cut, I wonder how Scott would approach it. Would he deviate from what Cameron's take was? Keep in mind the cut scene of people mutating in Alien.
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so we can have Sigourney back in it. a prequel will mean no ripley or no aliens... and i want both!
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yeah you tell em man. prequels ruin the mystery. thats why i hate james bone right now.
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is still hot right? i mean i almost got into her pants in a dream once...before those damn aliens showed up.
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Even though Ridley's been letting me down as of late, I still have lots of love for the man and would love to see him knock one out of the park again. The idea of Ridley returning to sci-fi is awesome, but the idea of him returning to the Alien franchise is sublime.
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Jun 10, 2009 3:57:26 AM CDT
Ridley Scott directing Science Fiction is always a good idea.
by sighborg
Any SciFi. Anything! A Bladerunner sequel or prequel. Hell, get him to direct the next Terminator.
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He's made two masterpieces, Alien and Blade Runner. Doing anything substandard to his Alien film is just going to result in massive disappointment. it would be great if he did some new sci-fi and complete a hat-trick of sci-fi masterpieces.
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If this film has to be made, Ridley's the man to do it.
But my advise is steer clear of the signature elements that plague most sequels. For some reason, studio execs seem to think that if a movie moment worked first time around, it's good to to re do it again, ie an Alien film check list must have the following moments. 1- must have a chest burster scene, 2- must have a robotic human, 3- must have Sigourney Weaver, 4- must have endless corridor chasing 5- must have acid blood corrosion.
Terminator. 1 -must have a muscle bound man with half his face removed 2- must have a motorcycle chase 3- must have 'I'll be back'4- must have cool shades.
Predator. 1-must have some green glowing blood, 2- must have the predator chuckle, 3- must have a bomb detonating 4- must have a predator treat his wounds 5- must have ancient greek weapons with a sci fi coating.
It's tiresome & cheap second time around, we see through it.
If another Alien film is unavoidable, re think it, make it different, avoid repetition.
An Alien prequel needs to go back to it's roots. Dark, twisted, wierd, scary. No action hero types, cast character actors, it's more realistic that way. No kids. Go back to the Geiger vibe.
Be brave Fox, go out on a limb, give us the unexpected.
Also, delete AVP Requiem from your catalogue, withdraw the DVD's from the shelves, take back the fee you paid that pair of dunderheads that tried to direct it.
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His last few films, and his brother's last few films, have not done too well. A franchise picture might seem appealing right now. I mean, they are doing an open source Blade Runner series.
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don't want to diss old Riddles, but it seems to me that when he has a great script he can deliver a fantastic film - Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut being case in point. But when the script sucks - Hannibal, A Year in France etc - so does the film. He doesn't seem to get stuck in editorially in the same way that, say, Scorsese does. So if Scott is directing: great. But who is writing the script????
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ALIEN. What other horror films has he done? With Alien he's shown he can do horror and do it well. So why has he shun it? Lets get another scary as fuck, shitting in a bag, Alien film!
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Tarantino, Carpenter, Fresnadillo, Fesser, Nolan... I'd have any of them rather than Ridley Scott again. Tony Scott would be a nice pick, too, though. Just imagine a Tarantino-directed Alien movie. Lol.
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Wish Ridders would step up and commit to this and bookend the Alien series on a high note, return to the form and stunning visual style of his breakout feature. I mean he's diluted his output with some pretty bland projects over the years, none of them bad, but I'd love to see him revisit Alien and show us something new.
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Then you will give birth in a awfully painful way.
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I will take your mother out to a nice seafood dinner and NEVER call her again.
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He was born in a lab.
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Every frame of that film (current edit) is perfection, amazing sets, lighting and beautifully shot. That kind of atmosphere and pacing just doesn't get a look-in these days of shitsletown fodder.
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Cris Cunningham. Actually worked on Alien and made some of the best videoclips ever for Aphex Twin and Bjork. Also make it a sequel.
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And Dan O'Bannon
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Jun 10, 2009 5:02:18 AM CDT
A Chris Cunningham directed Alien could potentially be amazing..
by killakane
But he's yet to prove he can work with actors and tell a story. His visual chops and ability to jar and disturb the senses would make for a seriously interesting Alien prequel though. Huge fan of his video output and as a production artist and conceptual designer (Alien Resurrection, AI, Dredd) he'd no doubt create some pretty unearthly and nightmarish imagery.
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That is all...
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A studio actually makes an intelligent decision... go Fox!
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...must complete f*cking unknowns with talent.
We loved the cast of the original because they felt like an acting repertory group - like they'd been together for ages...
The only star names I would tolerate are Blanchett, Rockwell and Day Lewis (maybe as the obligatory sinister doctor role?).
Any sign of Megan Fox, Keira Knightly, le Beouf etc...well, need I say how strong that sh*t would smell?
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I'd like to see what the Cloverfield director can do with it.
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Ridley and Tony Scott have a multi million/maybe 1 billion dollar deal with fox to produce and direct films that pre existed Rothman. I think they will have a lot of creative freedom to make the film if it comes about. If it is used is another matter. As for stroy, Ash is clearly planted on the Nostromo to keep the alien - Dallas mentions him joining the crew, so there is a logical reason for a prequel as well as the Space Jockey back story. It would probably have a strong British presence as the crew of the Nostromo is Anglo/US and the company has traditionally been thought of as Anglo-Japanese. Prequels with such a long gap between originals usually jettison the logical direction they should take - Terminator Salvation for example so the story could be in a totally new direction. Persoally I think this should be bathed in light - on sets like THX1138/Alphaville - this way the Alien is seen as being totally alien to the sets and has to e filmed differently of new scenarios created to keep the horror. This will be a horror as there is only one alien involved.
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but what's wrong with Scott sitting in the producers chair being the directors boss???? young minds, fresh ideas. personally I'd like to see a hybrid film of both Alien and Aliens. But ultimately if Ridley Scot is back for another alien film I am a happy lil geek
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Seriously, how does one make the little ³ for ALIEN³ .... when not simply cutting and pasting the ³ so you can make it read ALIEN³ .... just like the film.
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like that. RIDLEY SHOULD WALK AWAY.
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I'm getting out my rosary, cause this shit is serious!
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Dead Space Downfall into a movie instead of an Alien prequel.
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will see Fox being a little more adventurous in their choice of material ie stop making complete and utter shit. Come back Bill Mechanic.
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A Good Year was sleep-inducing and American Gangster and Body of Lies were basically Tony Scott pictures.
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is doing reasonably well. Scott did the first, Cameryn (purposely misspelled) did Aliens, Fincher did Alien3, and I believe the guy who did Resurrection went on to direct Amelie. If he screwed himself over after that movie, I wouldn't know. But all the directors have established themselves outside of the franchise. At least outside of the Alien franchise. Don't know too much about the Predator solo or AVP directors outside of Anderson for the first AVP.
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Tony's so gotta do this. PLEEEEEEEEEASE! Put Russell in it for all I care, but this would be one for the books.
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but may be fox dont want him the directors chair. Scott is a very demanding director to work for. The last chapters of Micheal deeleys book are dedicated to working bladerunner. They toll that film took on its cast and crew was immense. it was a complex movie to make. but scott earned his reputation as tough taskmaster on the back of that movie. I just cant see an alien prequel being made after the bush years, where he crippled studios ability make violent films. I dont think people would want or got to see a tame alien movie. but that is what the studios would have to make.
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Jun 10, 2009 7:13:48 AM CDT
I'd rather Scott didn't direct. That way if it sucks...
by l. ron bumquist
it won't be such a blow. Him overseeing a younger director was a good idea.
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He's really annoying, IMHO...
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for starting this prequel nonsense.
Have they not realized in 10 years of prequels that there is no drama, no tension, no excitement in a fuckin prequel? No prequel has been good. NONE. -
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1. Prequels suck.
2. Well...prequels suck.
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3. As much as I love the first ALIEN and Cameron's ALIENS, there is no place left to go, story-wise, with this concept other than essentially re-making the previous movies. If the studio wants to make cash grab sequels, just give it to neophyte directors looking to cut their teeth on a trashy genre movie, and who may bring a fresh perspective to the proceedings. -
...good prequel, INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM; but that movie is the exception not the rule. For the most part, prequels have zero dramatic tension.
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to keep up with the Cameron tradition of naming the sequel.
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kotto, hds, holm, hurt, weaver and skeritt are hardly unknowns
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and that was kind of a prequel
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Makes sense to get Ridley. I'm in.
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. . . but there's no way in hell his Sci Fi days are behind him. He needs to get back to it.
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If it's Fox, they'll mess with Ridley as much as they'd mess with any other director. Fox's upper management doesn't care. They love micromanaging otherwise compelling movies into stale, corporate turds. This will be the case here.
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Jun 10, 2009 7:52:52 AM CDT
I thought that Ridley & Tony as Exec. Producers was a great idea
by margot_tenenbaum
...because I figured it would be a George Lucas/Richard Marquand thing where the director would have to do all of the on-set schlepping but ultimately the producers have final cut. Anything that takes the power over the ALIEN saga out of the hands of the people who allowed it to be combined with Predator is okay in my book.
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come on, sing along
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Ever notice that the contributors to this site get "chubbed up" or hard or splooge a little bit every time one of their male movie gods does something?
I got a good prequel for ya'. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. Great story. Great acting. Amazing, eye-catching special effects. And, an amazing story featuring new and interesting characters, like J.J. Binks. When I first read Jar Jar’s scenes I was terrified because.... well whenever Jar Jar did something, I imagined the solitary focus being upon Jar Jar. But.... Guess what? Mesa Luved Him! -
Is the "Space Jockey" in the first movie a giant humanoid? If not, then you have Aliens versus Aliens and we're pack in AVP territory. How do you retcon humans into that story? The Alien movies, like any movies, are about HUMAN BEINGS. The Aliens are the Other, not the Protagonist. Alien 3 for all its flaws, is still a very human story. The 4th movie is about a Ripley clone with some Alien DNA and a Winona robot. In the AVP movies the humans have become just cannon fodder in the crossfire. If this prequel doesn't return humans to the center of this franchise, it doesn't matter who directs it. Aliens fighting different aliens is about as exciting as CGI droids shooting at CGI Gungans. Who gives a shit?
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Ridley Scott only ordered 1 face hugger around.
He will not therefore be ordering around a bunch of face-huggers "one more time".
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Come on, you know that if they want to make a prequel they'll do it anyway... So if they're going to do it, there's no one better than Ridley Scott. He was always interested in telling the Alien's origin story, let the man do it
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Hollywood is officially out of ideas. No, scratch that, Hollywood HAS BEEN out of ideas for years.
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Start writing!
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May as well start sending in your peanuts now.
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I don't give a FUCK whether it's a prequel or a sequel or a fucking "reboot" but if Sigourney is not in it, it ain't Alien.
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Didn't anyone learn their lesson with Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace? Hey lets get the original director back to make 3 Star Wars prequels! Great, right?
Getting Ridley back to fix/save the franchise by making a prequel is retarded. What if the movie is great? What then? Oh yeah, we know what happens next. If you really want to save/fix the franchise, then bring the original director back to try to salvage this mess with a sequel and try to make the franchise into something great...if that can even be done now.
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As if FOX would say no to the instant revenue that an Alien prequel would create just because Ridley says no. Riiiiiight...
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What sort of dead eyed shite are we going to end up with if any director is FORCED to do something he doesn't really want to do? We know the answer to that because we've seen it all too often in recent times; I'm looking at you Spider-man 3!
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I like your title! However, may I also suggest Alien: Ground Zero. Make the film like Godfather Part II with an aged Ripley narrating the origins of the Alien (perhaps having discovered their homeworld and is on an expedition to destroy them.) The film could be an investigation of the entire Alien franchise. This would lead to an investigation of the Space Jockey's ship. A huge part of the film would be told in flashbacks of the Space Jockey's ship . . . which, of course, would be the "ground zero" of the proposed title. The secrets of that ship will answer the biggest questions of the franchise. How did the Aliens evolve? Where did they originate? How can we destroy them, once and for all?
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How do I get THAT job so I can direct the Alien prequel? Nepotism at its finest!
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Do it, Ridley! Find what interests you in the material...and use the advancements in all areas of effects...and make yourself a masterpiece!
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Yeah! She could go back in time and fight the Aliens! With the help of Giant Stupid Transformer Robot, or whatever the fuck his name is from that Michael Bay piece of shit. And then they could escape through the Stargate with MacGyver and end up in Dioxholster's closet! Special guest appearance by Christian Bale grunting incomprehensible bullshit!
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Ridley Scott, who in my book can visually do almost no wrong, is very busy these days. May not have time for an ALIEN prequel thing. Which may mean...
NO DUMBASS "VOYAGE OF THE SPACE JOCKEY" FILM. WOOHOO! A victory for the forces of good! -
He's not the director he once was. He reminds more of his shitty brother Tony and his fucking awful movies that the great Ridley flicks of old. Still not terribly excited for this.
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Spielberg returning to Indiana Jones - FAIL!
Lucas returning to Star Wars - FAIL!
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MOTHER really tied the room together, so to speak. Need more impersonal, non-anthropomorphized AI characters. Like HAL but without the personality.
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because if the idea was so damn good in the first place, they would have started the trilogy THERE, instead of where they did.
prequels rarely work well, with occasional successes.
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the Alien Saga isn't that bad. A few minor missteps, but it holds up pretty well.
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Ridley Scott has always said he wants to do the story of the derelict spacecraft on LV-426 (or Archeron). I am POSITIVE this will be the subject of the film, though I think it's a stupid idea.
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Why do they have to do a prequel?? Have Ripley lead a crew to the Alien homeworld to end this once and for all.
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--MORGAN FREEMAN MUST BE IN EVERYTHING!
Imagine how much better No Country for Old men would've been if Morgan Freeman played Anton Chigurh or better yet If he was the voice of Vader instead of James Earl Jones!
What If he would've played Batman?
The Joker? Hell, He wouldve been awesome as Riddick! You ever seen Morgan Freeman wearing sunglasses? That a Bad man!
Everything goes better with Morgan Freeman!
My point is every-time I hear ridiculous shit--I'm going to automaticlly suggest that Morgan Freeman be involved somehow----I find it very therapeutic -
with a facehugger
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It seems damn near impossible for anyone to have the balls and try to move these franchises forward. Who gives a shit about beginnings?, Endings are way more satisfying but too bad the studios are chickenshits. Prequels, remakes, and reboots can suck my balls because there's never been a decent movie made in any of those 3 categories.
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The Alien Queen?
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Man, what a bunch of idiots come to this site.
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You see the stuff they're doing with special effects and make-up? Russell Crowe would play an awesome Morgan Freeman! yeah sure Robert Downey Jr. Got nominated for an Oscar but Russell Crowe would win!
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They have every right to pull rank on who should direct since they own the property. If Fox had been gung-ho to green light a project like this with an unproven director, then everyone would ripping into them for having no clue or making the same mistakes again. They should be given credit for wanting to have a proven director who also understands the material do an Alien prequel. In some people's eyes, Fox is damned if they do or they don't.
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Type it by holding ALT, then typing "0179" (without the quotation marks). Alternatively, HTML offers the ability to set characters in sub or superscript via the following tags: (text goes here) and (text goes here) (you'll need to delete the extra space after the "3, and here's a superscript 3.
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I think the entire series, except for maybe Alien3, was pretty good about at least making us think the AI was villains even if they weren't always in the end. but Mother was never a villain. It was always The Company. If you want more impersonal, non-anthropomorphized AI characters check out Eagle Eye. Great movie.
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Jun 10, 2009 10:09:21 AM CDT
Weird. It truncated my post. And not just the HTML either...
by rhuragh
Their shitty web admin is REALLY paranoid after some of the shit that happened a few years ago, I guess. Anyway, as I was saying, you'll have to delete the extra space after the "3, and this is a superscript 3.
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Jun 10, 2009 10:11:15 AM CDT
Ahh, now I get it. Their input sanitization is killing it at th
by rhuragh
less-than sign. Ok, let's try this one more time. Anyway, as I was saying, you'll have to delete the extra space after the less-than symbol to get those tags to work. And, let's give it a shot: this is a subscript 3, and this is a superscript 3.
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Jun 10, 2009 10:26:23 AM CDT
I've learned something about "sources" in my short time on Earth
by hellboy
...when "sources" say something, it's almost always made up.
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There, I said it.
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Alien is superior to AlienS on many levels. Less "action", but you can't ignore Ridley Scott's ability to build tension and mood. It was such a quiet, calm film. The build is so slow, audiences these days would probably call it boring or start texting or tweeting within the first 15 to 20 minutes instead of letting it do it's magic. Hell, people accused The Shining of the same thing back when it first came out. Kubrick understood the same idea. If you create real meditative calm and let people settle into it, the shocks don't require gore (as fun as it can be) or cheap tricks. And the fear tends to settle in, continuing to build. And sometimes it doesn't even require a real "Jump" moment. Lynch could do this , too. Letting something just creep into frame sometimes is just as scary as something jumping into it if the imagery is creepy enough and you've established the right kind of comfort zone for the audience in advance. It was so great to see it on a big screen again years later and discover that for once I wasn't looking back with nostalgic, rose colored glasses. (I'm looking right at you, T2!) It held up much better than I assumed it would. *thump thump..thump thump*
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I hope Ridley does it . and do not have Sigourney Weaver in it , she is getting old, and would not bring any originality to it. The first one was a classic. but all the others were just a RAMBO in outerspace. chases, explosions, bla bla, bla.
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I seem to recall in a blade runner (tenth anniversary, commemorative, third directors revision, special edition 4 or something) interview he said he was bored with sci-fi, or that he felt the genre was out of ideas. Something like that? Maybe he was in a grumpy mood that day, as he sometimes seems to be.
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That will guarantee a hit.
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He's directing way too many films lately
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Over Robin Hood.
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Unless Ridley directs - THIS SERIES IS FINISHED Stop holding on - It's all been done (ruined), at this point.
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Ridley's already done a "one-Alien" movie. This prequel will give him the freedom to do whatever he wants. I'm sure we'll see a new Alien in this prequel as well.
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..he'll use time travel and then introduce absurd plot devices and have marines divert the Nostromo whilst marooning Ripley on LV426 for no good reason. Then she'll jumpstart the SpaceJockey ship with two wires and hijack the Marine's ship and blow everything up WITH BIG CAMERA FLARES!!!!
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If ALIEN=Weaver, why were the last two films she appeared in such a mess? Especially ALIEN 4 which she produced I think?
If the Scotts take the ALIEN story back, they'll bring back Giger in some way or another which will be the well worth the price of admission.
I hope they fire those two self-impressed Fox FX guys who have over the course of five films (ALIENS, ALIEN 3, ALIEN 4, AvP & AvP 2) turned Giger's Alien into just another guy in a suit. -
Jun 10, 2009 11:30:09 AM CDT
The only way it will be a good movie is if...
by trannyformers_apologist
They get jj abrams, mikey gay, and the gay writing duo to make it.
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Firstly, upon your recommendation, I will swallow my utter loathing for Shia LeBoef and rent Eagle Eye.
Secondly, I think it's pretty hard to separate MOTHER from The Company. Just like you can't really separate HAL from the orders he received from Dr. Floyd. That's the great thing about evil, non-anthropomorphized AI characters, when they're done right. You know, as opposed to Skynet, who just played as a standard "bad guy" when they could have made it a way more interesting character who is just following the programming the humans gave it. -
So this seems somewhat pointless, purely a money-making (Fox hope)idea. Ridley PLEASE, let it go... let the series rest in peace and use your talents on another, different sci-fi piece.
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Ive read a few comments on here stating that there is no more story to tell....Well I think that's bullshit! I cant remember were I read it, or if it was true but, I read that there was an idea floating around between Scott and Cameron a while back. The idea was based around the fact that both Scott and Cameron were to put it frankly a bit sick of the Xenomorph. The idea was that a new crack team would find out were these bastards came from, then plan a mission to go there and wipe them out for good. Now basically the idea was that when they got to the planet they found something else entirely. What they found where far worse aliens, different types, real nasty evil fuckers (Imagine Geiger's weird designs)the xenomorphs are nothing, bottom of the food chain and they were in fact fleeing that planet. Now I don't know if that's true but I tell you now, I would personally fucking love to see that movie.
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Eagle Eye gets a worse rating on Rotten Tomatoes than Terminator Salvation did. I smell a trick!
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They never get a script, decide it's good and make a movie of it.
They always decide to make a movie for stupid reasons (it's got a star attached, for example), then hack out a script for it.
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is it calls into question the ORDER of the series. The original Alien series is about Ripley sometime in the distant future. And it gets even more distant with the time jumps involved in each sequel. The AVP movies are a seperate series set in the same universe in the present day. The first one had a few shoutouts to the Ripley series (Henricksen, female hero, etc) and Requiem didn't even bother to do that.So, from my point of view, this "timeline" starts with the first two Predator movies then includes the AVP movies and then you have a long gap before you get to Ripley's story, which IMHO should be watched BEFORE anything else. If the original director of the 1st film that started this whole shebang starts doing prequels to his own movie, what are you supposed to watch FIRST? And wouldn't it technically be a sequel to the AVP films, since they come before it in the timeline? When is the Robert Rodriguez PREDATORS project going to be set in this timeline? Now? Before/during/after Ripley? This is the Star Wars problem all over again. If a kid came up to me and said which Star Wars movie should I watch first, I would say unequivocally: STAR WARS. The first one. Fuck Lucas and his part 4 /A New Hope bullshit. If the same kid asks me which Alien movie should I watch first, the obvious answer is: ALIEN! Why would Ridley Scott want to change my answer? I understand why Lucas would. But Ridley Scott has other sources of income.When this whole thing was first mooted, it was him AND Sigourney Weaver talking about returning to the franchise to give Ripley's story a proper FINISH. That made sense. Difficult to explain probably, but okay with me. Inserting a prequel to Ripley's story into an already convoluted combined franchise 30 years later makes no sense at all. Explain why a 13 year old kid who hasn't seen any of the other movies should buy a ticket on opening night for the Space Jockey Backstory. This 40 year old probably will. But if you don't get the teenagers, the movie has no legs. Who besides us wants to see this story whether Scott directs or not?
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... from Ridley Scott. You beg.
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You think the Queen Alien in Aliens was "just another guy in a suit"? In fact, there's an interview with Cameron and he specifically stated that his mission was to make the aliens NOT look like a guy in a suit. I think he succeeded.
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Get Scott behind the camera, stay out of his way and let it be an R rating and you have me in the seat.
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I want a straight scifi horror film like we used to get in the 70's and 80's that doesn't hold back and is rated R.
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..nicely done with Aliens, I'll give you that. But I'm blaming you for turning almost every cool adult franchise into cruddy family orientated drivel.
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I really don't know what the critics were thinking, they missed the mark on this one.
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almost right. AvP:Rectum had one Miss Yutani in it.
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You may hate Eagle Eye. Many seemed to think it was supposed to be a big surprise that AI is behind the happenings in the film, even though that it's revealed about a third of the way into the film, and thus found it predictable and disappointing. You knowing it's AI fro mthe get go may enhance your enjoyment of it. I was not riveted more by a film last year. I had a blast with it. The climax is heart pounding as is much of the rest of the film. Now if you have some fanatical aversion to Shia, like many here do for some reason, you may not like it.
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for Alien:Resurrection and the 2 Avp fuck ups- When you see dickheads say "I'm a big fan of the series" they don't mean it, they mean "I love Aliens". So they use that as the starting point when they copy it, and make a big fucking mess trying to outdo cameron. Alien is the film they should be looking at.
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If not, I'll wait for the DVD. Thinks about that, FOX. Do you want my $9.00 or not? Balls in your court...
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why on earth would he revisit this tired old franchise, when he's got something new and original to do?
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That's the agenda round here, right?
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Does anyone know anything about Hollywood or film history?I'm so tired of people complaining about remakes and reboots and Hollywood has been doing them forever.Even the original "Alien" was a remake, dumbasses. I believe it was called "The Stowaway"....can anyone confirm?
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Why on Earth would Ridley take on an ailing franchise and risk tarnishing his name and the name of the classic original movie he created in '78? He is more forward thinking than that and I'd expect his next foray into sci-fi to be something a bit more original and involving to steal his interest. He'd only do it for the money, and he doesn't need the money now does he..?
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Jun 10, 2009 12:38:37 PM CDT
If it's a prequel, will it involve the "jockey" from the alien s
by photoman
You know, the Giger alien that's fossilized to the chair that the crew find in the alien chair. Now, if it was all CGI and involved THAT crew, it may be interesting.
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Alien is a ripoff of a 1958 film called "It! The Terror from Beyond Space".
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The suits they created for the drones in Aliens was the first step that lead to the man-in-suit version seen in the later sequels. The Alien Queen was not Woodruff & Gillis, it was Stan Winston.
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I am turning my back on my love of films. I will never watch another movie again! You will never have another cent of mine or my time! Good-bye forever!
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Prequels are always disappointing because the backstory we see in our heads is always better than what they throw up on the screen.
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Jun 10, 2009 1:04:41 PM CDT
Ridley won't replace Rinsch on this, and I'll tell you why-
by ironhelix
Rinsch is "romantically attached" to Scott's daughter Jordan. He's gettin' the hookup (in more ways than one probably).
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I've been waiting for another Alien TB to post this, but what is the deal with this guy? On the Alien DVD set I have, in the docs, there are so many times where he seems to almost belittle Ridley's contribution as, oh, I don't know, THE FUCKING DIRECTOR, and refers to it as 'my movie', that at times I wanted to punch him in the face. Then, on the other hand, David Giler and Gordon Carol seem like utter twats as well, and they belittle Dan and Ron Schusetts contributions to the script so much and insist that they did a top to bottom rewrite, and that their script is what wound up on the screen. When I think about it, I do 'get' OBannon... he's a frustrated screenwriter, he probably wishes that he got to direct the film and believes it would have made his career as a director, he could have done it better than Ridley, blah, blah, blah... I get it. But only if it was actually his and Ron's script that wound up on the screen. How could there even be a question of this? Doesn't the WGA arbitrate for credit in these instances? If so, wouldn't it have to have been their script that made up Alien for them to have the credit?If that's not the case, then Giler and Carol have a point. So did they really do a substantial rewrite in which they rewrote all the dialogue, all the characters names, etc.? And Ron Schusett came up with the chest burster, correct? Then WHAT THE FUCK did Dan O'Bannon do except come up with the germ of an idea (an alien stalks a crew on a spaceship) and introduce Giger to Ridley? Introducing Giger is obviously a HUGE contribution, but from the way he talks, you'd think he forced the actual movie into existence by concentrating hard enough to burn what was in his mind onto the film as it was going through the camera. However, what I DO notice is that NOBODY... not Gordon Carol, not David Giler (seems like a fucking douche), nor O'Bannon, or ANYONE ELSE for that matter questions or takes a shot at Ridley Scott (aside from O'Bannon's slight undermining). Further proof that a successful director is pretty much the most powerful person in Hollywood in perpetuity... even high-ranking executives can do little but rattle a director's cage, but if it's someone like Scott or Cameron, that executive will be long gone from their job and those directors will still have power in Hollywood.
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i got a semi reading that...fuck i'd love to see that. aliens bottom of the food chain haha that would be crazy
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Fire it up Ridley!
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Cameron paved the way for the brainless Aliens Vs. Predator bullshit. After all, he made a brainless shoot 'em up....with real neat Marine Commandos! It's Alien for the MMA crowd. Ironically its the entry most of you adore, and it was the whore that bore the shit that followed that you all cry about.
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maybe fox is taking the high ground for once? one can hope?
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It's about time some other film makers did the same unless you have a 100% percent interference free contract.
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The alien is clearly a creature that evolved in space - it goes from ship to ship/ planet to planet and can hibernate for long periods when there is no host - the actual warrior may not even live that long having an accelerated life span hinted at in Alien and the derelict ship has clearly been there a long time. Why have a home world in the story - it will simply be Starship Troopers again. The Alien Franchise has tried to offer some thing new in each film. There are so many other influences that could occur - how about a political stand off similar to 2010 where the company wants the Alien and another group has a strict code of quarantine/extermination. Other details could be a rescue ship trying to help another ship that uncovers the alien. Or the alien being found, but released on a space station that it rendezvous with.
Also a director going back to an old property they feel passionately about does not mean it will be bad, look at The Last Picture Show/Texasville (though it is another genre)
As far as a new alien is concerned - why? It will be convoluted and badly designed - even the dog burster in Alien3 did not work. It also means that each new film would be expected to introduce a new Alien so in the end you have a poorly designed family of aliens/hybrids/nice aliens/pets/cute ones/fat ones/talking ones... -
It was Fox and fox only who wrecked the franchise. Don't believe me? Check out the wiki page on the series. I never got Harry's hate of Fox until i read it.
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Each of the first two films had long gestation periods and a fully formed script. Alien 3 seems to have changed that and Resurrection continued it with many rewrites and indeed writers. Ridley Scott is a meticulous story boarder and would want a finished script to work from.
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Aliens to Alien was Blues Brothers 2000 to Blues Brothers; bigger, louder, dumber.
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Jun 10, 2009 1:43:13 PM CDT
No disrespect to Stan Winston (God rest his soul)
by dannyglovers_dickblood
He is the primary reason that film gets so much good will.
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Jun 10, 2009 1:46:22 PM CDT
Aliens to Alien, is Staying Alive to Saturday Night Fever.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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You truly are a massive faggot...
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to hate Aliens...it just makes you a giant wanker...lol
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By the way Danny, love the site. I especially like calling the rant 'Bale kata'. Makes me picture Bale doing the rant while doing one of those ridiculous karate katas designed to defend oneself from... air.
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Jun 10, 2009 1:56:05 PM CDT
TheExterminator -- if the dumbing down worked for you.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Then bravo. There is a reason Bay is worth a fuck hundred million...people like you!!But please don't insinuate I'm a homosexual. Actually I consider all that ra ra Cameron/Bay military bullshit to be pretty homo, myself.
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O'Bannon started writing the story as "starbeast"
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Jun 10, 2009 1:59:31 PM CDT
Aliens is an amazing sequel that has been diminished by its imit
by margot_tenenbaum
I remember seeing the trailer for Aliens in the theater back in the days when trailers were complete surprises and being BLOWN AWAY when they showed the shot of the Alien Queen coming out of the landing gear compartment. You just didn't see puppets of that scale and detail on the screen back then and I could not figure out how they did it. That was, of course, the last time anything so suprising and perfectly alien would occur in the ALIEN saga.
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The ALIEN franchise, as we know it, was screwed over first and foremost by the appearance of the xenomorph's skull in PREDATOR 2 (starring Danny Glover...ironically enough). That was the real beginning of the end as nerds foamed at the mouth for what they thought was going to be inevitable crossover awesomeness. Nevermind the noble but half-baked ALIEN3 or the abysmal failure that was ALIEN4. (Michael Wincott was wasted in that piece of shite!!!) It was PREDATOR 2 that began the long, downhill slide that culminated in AVP dreck.Cameron's ALIENS provided the logical response of sending in a lot of over-confident military yahoos with a ton of gear to kick some ass. And as we witnessed, the exact opposite happened and the character of Ripley was allowed to become the supreme female badass we all know and love.
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Jun 10, 2009 2:00:24 PM CDT
There is a very good doc on the Quadrilogy....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...that covers the origin of the story. That crazy old kook O'Bannon is fun to listen to.
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The photography and sets are fucking horrid. If you like to jerk off to military firing automatic weapons...I get it. But other than Stan Winston's work, there is nothing inventive about that turd.
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ALiens was one of the first films influenced by vietnam - a year before Platoon but with many features - unseen enemy, tunnels, outnumber group of soldiers in an unknown terrain. To say it is not inventive getting those influences into a SF film is silly. The designs have been copied frequently - most notably the drop ship and M41A in many films and more recently games. While it is an action film it has a slow build up and has good characterisation - the last in the films to do so. It also has a broader range of emotions involved, though the romance is a little contrived but not as much as in Alien3 with Clemens. WHY DOES EVERY TALK BACK HAVE TO DEGENERATE TO AN "I'M RIGHT YOU OTHERS DON'T KNOW SHIT STYLE BUN FIGHT???"
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Too much dickblood.Bada-bing.
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2 was the pre to 1. and it fukin kicked ass!! So there you pre WHINERS!! If the pre to Alien is the SJ story, Im all for it! It could be great! I always wondered what happened there, and how the Co. knew it was there and what it was??!! How can anyone say that would suck?
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It's been a few years since the last time I saw it, I'm gonna watch it tonight
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-Aliens is a Great movie, even now-sure it's got 'made in '86' all over it, but so? I know you don't like Cameron much-but c'mon big guy-that's a good movie and it holds up quite well. At least to me.-
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What happened, did the writers ditch their avatars?
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A great take on the old Haunted House story, Alien still is one of my favourite ever Sci Fi films. I could have done without the Directors cut though. Cameron did to Alien what he did to Terminator, he took an original idea and gave it a new twist and expanded the story. Aliens was scary at the time, and the first scene with the Queen was amazing stuff.
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...is a cancer on this site. You might not like Aliens, maybe it's not your cup o' tea, and I can respect that... but when you say that it's a piece of shit from a hack director that is responsible for ruining the franchise, you cease to be a person whose opinion on movies I can take at all seriously, and are relegated to the status of attention-seeking, iconoclast-revisionist, shit-talking troll. This used to be a place to talk about movies with people who liked genre movies... now it's more and more just a dick-waving contest between cooler-than-the-room bumper sticker witticists.
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What an absurd statement. In what galaxy is Aliens 'family-oriented drivel'? Because it was action-oriented and featured a kid? It was a dark, R-rated film. And was followed by a dark, R-rated movie(that flopped not because it was dark, but because it was utter shit). Ditto T2 . I'm sure Cameron is responsible for all the multitude of crappy sequels/ spin-offs that followed. Do you have any idea how the industry works? It's economics and demographics, not anything to do with content.The nonsense that spills out of the mouths of some of the geek mouth breathers is sometimes just plain irritating, and dosen't really hold up to any level of scrutiny.
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and was surprised I enjoyed it as much as I did. I agree, however, that there are times when the 'cheapness' shows through, but the storytelling is pretty edge-of-your-seat and there's so much action that it carries you over any rough spots. To Cameron's credit, it's amazing he got what he did onto the screen. But a lot of it is video game 'cut scene' type acting and responses, as opposed to Alien which had Harry Dean Stanton for chrissakes. Alien is an absolute masterpiece... imho, a perfect piece of filmmaking and a perfect marriage between sci-fi and horror. Aliens is a great action movie and a helluva ride, but I don't think it has the clarity of vision and the newness (then, at least) of Alien. I also think the acting just isn't anywhere near as good as Alien, except for Weaver. To me, what unites Cameron and Scott is their ability to film an effect and have an idea of how to make it look absolutely real, whether it's a certain angle or a 'story' behind the effect, even if it's just one shot that almost no directors working today have. I agree DGDB that Stan Winston is a big part of why Aliens works so well, but I think it discounts that Cameron knows exactly how to shoot an effect so it looks real, furthers the story(i.e. - adds tension, or has a psychology to it), and expands the universe that you're watching. Same thing with Scott on Alien and Blade Runner. I think Nolan has that, always preferring to go practical (flipping a fucking truck over?), and Favreau has a little bit of it, although he caved a few times to ILM replacing the practical suit in some shots where it was absolutely unnecessary and, to me at least, it shows.
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Im pretty sure he gives a crap what Fox wants.
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Aliens is that same weird tone as T2. It may be R Rated, it may be violent. But it has that pussified gloss of Cameron's greasy fingers.
It does have a family friendly vibe to it. Even though you're watching violence, it never feels like it has balls.
And I don't care what anyone says, Biehn looks like a little pussy in Aliens. Lance Hendriksen looks like he could tear that boy's head off. -
Raphael Adolini 1715
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...wins the talkback.
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give it to that fuckhead McG. Lets watch him ruin another.... well actually the Alien franchise is already ruined.
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else, how did the corporation know that the alien was there in the first place?
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However, they are two totally different types of film making. I admit, after all these years, Aliens has lost some of it's punch. You HAVE to admit though, that the fucking powerloader looked goddamned real.
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Just stating the obvious, but thanks, at least someone I know gets it. Now someone sober up Chris Cunningham and sit his ass in a director's chair and give us a real reason to use some "spooge" metaphors around here!
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So much hate for Aliens... family friendly... DGDB has a website so his opinions must be valid
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Yeah thats why I bring it up and promote it so often like that cunt Moriarty, right?Shut the fuck up.
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And I do like that scale puppet they used.
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couldn't be more right. In what fucking universe is a movie that starts with an entire colony slaughtered a family friendly film? How fucked up were your childhoods?
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Well said. You should check out the TERMINATOR 5 Talkback. It's a hoot.
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There is also a big slaughter in Return of the Sith, if you're interested. Is that a hardcore movie now?And if you want a laugh, watch that deleted scene with Newt and her family cruising around in their car. That shit is funny.
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...is a pathetic cop-out. Chest-bursting, immolation, blood spurts, violent death, jump scares, siege tension, slimy monsters, corporate corruption and f-bombs -- none of this is "adult" enough if there are kids in the movie, right?
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...for some nice torture porn Alien action. You'll get to see all the "adult" slaughter up close and personal. For 90 minutes.
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Seriously? You're not just trolling? Did Cameron fuck your wife or rape you something?
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I won't shutup. I don't post often, and I do think your somewhat funny, but you tend too bash Cameron films and praise shit like Terminator Salvation, essentially saying you like Terminator Salvation over Aliens, good credibility, hey, at least your have first rate humor and wit
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that's what i'm talking about
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Dickblood's infamous for (among other things) his heinous taste in movies. Trust me -- that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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...and if I had enough time to keep up with you guys, I'd be all over it, as it seems like the first time in a while that a thoughtful debate about the merits/flaws of T2 has threatened to break out. I'll be the first to admit there are flaws, but only if you really go looking for them, and nothing on the scale that warrants the kind of "baby with the bathwater" summary dismissal that seems to stem from a defensiveness about the criticisms of T4. And in the hopes of averting YET ANOTHER T2 hijacking of a TB, I'll just say that you and DocPaz have done a very succinct job of summing up my feelings on the subject. Times like this I wish we really all WERE in a real place, enthusiastically talking movies over beers and mounds of white vader, as I think that would facilitate a much more enjoyable conversation than the TB seems to foster. I think people would be a lot less critical of Harry, too, if we could experience the film-going excitement that ginger sumbitch exudes without the jarring experience of wading through his tortured prose. Ah well, we all just need another good Baleback/Horsefucking-type TB, to make us remember why we continue coming here to bang our heads against the well-worn wall. -
Jun 10, 2009 4:16:28 PM CDT
If I had to choose I like Aliens better than T2.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I don't know if I would say I hate either. Because honestly if one of them is on and I'm flipping through channels, I'll sit there and watch it. I don't think I hate them. I just don't see much to like. But I say Aliens is better because I do admit the last 20 minutes or so is killer. T2 last 20 minutes is pussy.
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And I am not absolute with Cameron. I have defended Abyss once or twice.
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Hadn't seen it in awhile. It really is pretty dreadful. I can understand why Ridley wants to do a prequel. I wouldn't want to follow that shit up either.
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I don't have a fucking sense of smell!
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Jun 10, 2009 4:20:44 PM CDT
I like the idea of responsibility for unessecary prequel/sequels
by smackfu
to fall in the lap of the person who's bright idea it was. If you are a big name director who has an idea to resurrect a franchise, no more of this 'I'll produce it' crap, you thought it was such a good idea, how about YOU direct it and have your rep rest on how it comes out. Then we'll either see an improvement in product, or a lot of directors keeping these bright ideas to themselves.
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was on G4 as I was flipping through the channels. I didn't purposely seek it out. Just want to make that clear.
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...is that it didn't HAVE to suck. Dark Horse comics hit a home run with their first AvP series, which did EVERYTHING right. It was set off-world at around the "Aliens" time period and was illustrated by a goddamn storyboard artist which meant that Fox had a fucking blueprint for a great movie right in front of them.
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I liked Alien Resurrection. It's a batshit crazy freakshow. It's got a good cast. Good fx. Dan Hedaya touches his own brain. Michael Wincott says 'severely fuckable'. Scotch comes in cubes. I don't know, I think it's a fine movie.
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Sorry that I didn't get my point across. Aliens was not a target and I even congratulate Cameron for making such a film, but what I meant was a little dig at the way that T2 was more family friendly than the original. I think I'm wrong though, as looking at IMDB it says it was R rated!
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I would LOVE to see Ridley take on Alien once again. Alien was the first film I ever saw. Everyone creams there pants over Aliens, but ALien had a fucking vibe of terror that has been missing since. Don't get me wrong, Cameron kicked all kinds of ass with Aliens, but Alien was pitch perfect. I'd love to see what he would do with all of the experience he has gained since.
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...would be directed by Chris Cunningham and designed by the Polish surreal artist, Zdzislaw Beksinski, who, alas, was stabbed to death a couple of years ago.
Scroll down the following page and tell me this guy wouldn't have been an awesome inspiration for a new, fucked up take on the Alien universe:
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The two best things about Alien: Resurrection and they get killed off early.
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I agree with the majority that the ending with the newborn let it down, but the rest is damn good. I enjoyed it as a whole but the series was getting worse and worse. Alien 3, once you get over the disregard for Newt and Hicks holds up very well. Aliens is a classic, Alien more so.
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wasn't he killed after fawning over the Newborn near the end? He's usually a great actor, but he should have ripped up the script at that point!
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Ridley Scott will never head back to direct the Alien franchise, no matter how much we fans may slaver at the thought of a third great Alien movie as opposed to the dreck handed to us since Fincher threw the series away. Accept it: we got two great Alien films. We'll never get another great one again. There's more chance of Hitchcock returning from the grave to revamp the Halloween franchise.
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get the fuck outta here!!! Cameron, even though he usually gets shat on for his scriptwriting skills, CREATES characters you actually care about. in the abyss, you cared about the guys down there drowning (on the rig, not the sub) cause you saw some semblance of a character. same goes for ALiens and Terminator, and Titianic. Bay, who doesnt even write, crams his films with so much shit going on that you really dont know who the fuck is who or what the fuck is going on. i still dont know who fought each other at the end of Transformers. fuck that.
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There's absolutely no point in conversing with people that can't distinguish between Cameron and Bay. These people are clueless.
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Bay. Haha. Hey, Armageddon had nice little characters involving a father and daughter, and animal crackers... I cared about the animal crackers
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It WAS cheap. It cost around $18 million if memory serves. Cameron took every dime and put it on the screen.
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Ridley and his writer ALMOST killed off Weaver's character in the original Alien, but decided not to according to my screenwriting professor.
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Alien 4, you know up until Wincott got killed I was enjoying The Betty and her crew. I wish we could have just seen a movie about them in general. I think the main plot of 4, which was "Point A to Point B" was, well, pointless, but put that crew in another sci-fi flick and we just might have something.
And I can't believe they went with the alien out the airlock - AGAIN! It's like Star Trek and time travel, please stop! -
Move it forward! More space marines! NO fucking commercial directors cutting their teeth with a fucking Alien movie! Grrrr!
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I'm not enjoying this as I'm watching. Off topic I know, but I suppose every good idea be it film sequels or Tv, when continued for the money it makes, eventually turns into shit.
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...is perhaps the one movie in the series that VISUALLY has aged the most, but that doesn't detract one iota of ass-kicking entertainment from it. Aliens is still one of the most solid and thrilling movie watching experiences one can have. I can't wait until my son is old enough so that I can sit down and watch it with him and relive the excitement of seeing it for the first time though his eyes.
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Kinda like what Star Trek did. If you watch the movie from the point of old Nimoy, the new Star Trek IS a sequel, that goes back in time. From the point of view of Nimoy, the new movie takes place AFTER the events of TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY. It's like Star Trek IV -- we don't say that the film took place BEFORE Star Trek I, do we? Just because it took place in 1986? Of course not. From the POV of Kirk + Co., Star Trek IV takes place after III and before V.An Alien prequel could therefore still include Sigourney Weaver AND take place before the events of the first Alien. Old Ripley, who's genetically combined with the Alien race after A4, is able to actually manipulate an old telepathically-controlled Alien vessel with the ability to burst backwards 1,000 years and across the galaxy to the original Alien homeworld. She fights a campaign to destroy the Aliens at their source, before the events of Alien would have taken place. From the point of view of the Aliens, this human aggressor is making the first attack. Ripley is eventually killed, the mission to eradicate the Alien race a failure. But now, the Aliens seek out humanity, to kill them off, and therefore the events on the Nostromo are actually PLANNED, not random. The Alien didn't accidentally end up on Nostromo -- it was sent to ferry back to Earth after killing the seven crew members. But that way, you have the movie acting as a sequel, concluding the Ripley arc, and also a prequel, adding intent to the events of the first movie, Alien.
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My son is 11 and has seen them all. Refuses to watch Alien 3 or AvP(s) a second time though. I'll watch them if they are on TV, but don't have the hatred for Alien3--just carry the original disappointment of seeing it in the theater expecting something big after the first two. It's not a bad movie, just not as good as the first two.
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Do we need to see the primordial soup with the Aliens crawling out of it? Should JAWS have a prequel with the shark's birth! Ah, now we the viewer understand the motivation, just like Johnny Ringo!
Just do an Alien movie, and remember it has to have Aliens, not so much Ripley. Or some tie to Ripley. I have to assume the prequel will show us Ripley as a punk kid who gets talked into joining the Industrial Space Workforce. Maye somehow, she can have created the Aliens. She probably built the Nostromo. Her future super-self jumped out of the Nexus and raised her.
Man, why am I not in Hollywood! -
with the great Goldenthal score..as she says at the end...this is ripley, last survivor of the nostromo, signing off. FUCK THAT 200 years later shit.
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And it has Bill Paxton and his classic "Chickenshit Outfit" line. Anytime my brother or me see him, and we can't remember his name, we just say-"Chicken shit outfit" was in that movie! And there ya be. Never saw Alien IV, it looked-AWFUL. III was OK but not what it shoulda been. I'm prob. the Biggest Mikey Bay fan here-and good lord, Bay is Lightyears away from being in Cameron's league as a storyteller or whatever. Just hold up these two films: Titanic vs. Pearl Harbor. Do I REALLY need to say anymore? 'Course not. I'm looking forwards to watching Big Robots Hitting Each Other Once Again in a couple weeks, but I know it for what it is. Big fucking robots doing shit. That's all. And I'm down w/ that.
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There are probably better storytelling options by not trying to wedge the character in.
I don't think a new Alien film has to be a sequel or a prequel or really anything that ties into the Quadrilogy (blech) timeline.
At its base, all the franchise requires is the xenomorph design. The story could take place millions of years away from the Ripley timeline. Have characters that have nothing to with Ripley. You only really need the xenomorph and maybe possibly an space/sci fi setting. But even then that isn't quite as necessary. -
Everything from Sigourney's poofy 80's hair to the reeboks reeks of the 1980's. Alien, to Ridley's credit, still holds up very well after thirty years. I don't think Alien3 will hold up well either, with the crappy sfx of the dog alien.
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I agree, DocPaz. "AVP" did NOT have to suck. It really didn't. If the studio had decided to push an R-rated story, with a director who wasn't a sniveling, immature, braindead fanboy (Weak Sauce Anderson), the movie could've been absolutely classic. Fox simply shat the bed.
Which sucks, because no one takes the story seriously anymore and aliens are no longer scary. Hire a sycophantic douchebag like Paul W.S. Anderson, and you get a watered-down Weak Sauce movie. That's a direct reflection of Fox's priorities. Which sucks.
I read the Dark Horse "AvP" comic series myself, and thought they were frighteningly intense, well-written stories with wonderful characters and character arcs. I actually consider The Dark Horse series to be my "Alien 3," since scenes in that comic were FAR more memorable than anything that's been shown in theaters.
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Aliens hasn't aged well? Shit, T4 ripped off a lot from Aliens in the movie. Go to fucking UP if you don't like Aliens.
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..NOT AGED WELL CLEARLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND EITHER THE FILM, SCIENCE FICTION, OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S COMING NEXT SEASON ON SMALLVILLE YOU FUCKING PONCES. FFS.
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Movie has already been premiered in Japan and Korea. Where are the reviews?
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It was an $18 million movie that looked like it cost 3 times as much. It's practical effects, coutesy of the late, gret Stan Winston, have a versimilitude and a tangibility that's absent from movies today. And the set design is terrific. It's let down only by crappy, grainy film stock. Granted, Alien looks the best; Scott was peerless in his depiction of futuristic and fantasy worlds in the late 70's to mid-80's - but who could forget the godzilla rubber puppet alien on a banjo string when it's blown out the shuttlecraft? As for Alien 3, it always had great cinematography, but it's a boring looking film - cliched dark corridors and grungy basements, layering it on thick where Scott did it so effortlessly. Alien Resurrection always looked cheap, campy, and utterly tacky, even when it came out - that same cheesy euro-sci-fi vibe as the Fifth Element. The ship looks a big warehouse.Aliens, for me, is the only one that continues on from, and expands the look and feel of the origianal, even if it has its own thing going on (which is a positive)- inspirational on dozens of video games, anime, RPG's, and othe rmovies. Alien 3 brings nothing knew to the table - just good looking, empty shit. Alien Resurrection doesn't even look like it's set in the same universe as the first three.
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The Aliens will no longer be viewed as terrifying, unless Scott goes back to the roots of the story. AvP made them vunerable. Okay, so the Predators can kill loads of them due to their superiority as a race...but the crossover just won't be viewed as canon just because it was so shite.
Bring back Giger and have him make some new alien races, after all....the universe in which Ripley is in has never revealed that there has NOT been contact with other species. I'm sure in Aliens there is reference to other life. -
I strongly disagree that "Aliens" hasn't aged well. If anything, I think it kicks the crap out of the majority of modern science fiction.
Its use of tension, sound effects, metal clanking, alien blood holes, violently ass-kicking battles ("Let's Rock!"), compelling and memorable characters, unexpected turns of drama and humor, all-time quotable lines, and other iconic place settings gives "Aliens" a "benchmark" label. It's a benchmark science fiction horror film that no director since then has equaled, in style or substance.
Or classic effects. -
Yeah, you know it would kick ass just like van Sant's Psycho did. Plus, all the original actors are still alive so you can use them again too! Y'all know you want to see a sixty year old Sigourney in her Fruity Looms.
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who fucking cares?
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Aliens on the playstation was alright. I played a version on the spectrum I'm sure. I see there's a new Colonial Marines title due.
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I watched the director's cut and when I realized the stupid dog scenario is not in that version I was happy. Then the movie just plateaued as normal.
As far as a movie it is well made, but like I've said before just NOT the story I wanted. No need for me to go into the "everyone dead at the beginning" issues. -
Come on now! You can tell Alien was made in the late 70s because all of that shaggy Boston hair. Any second you'll expect Dallas to start belting out "More Than a Feeling". This is something no movie ever gets right, except for maybe THX-1138.
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Remember in the first movie the giant aliens and their ship was where they found the eggs.
Let's see what that story is! -
I just released I haven't seen the director's cut of Aliens.
I'm going to go rent Aliens (and The Quiet Man) right now. -
Played the Aliens versus Predator on the pc, great little game
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I was entertained by all the ALIEN movies.
I WIN!
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Besides, it's in the future. Maybe shaggy hair came back? Fuck, people are wearing fucking bell bottoms now. Look at the shit on American Idol.
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Isn't it strange how people are so passe about aliens these days? A lot of people throw them in with Transformers or Star Wars characters or Batman.
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Would probably be better than what they're cooking up!
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I still play that game at least once a week on my Commodore 64 emulator on my Windows Mobile phone. It's great for extended bathroom breaks. Still hard as fuck, though.
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That moment you refer to at the end of Alien 3 was the last classy moment of filmmaking involved in the saga. Like you I count the first three, and nothing after.
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It's a masterclass in sci-fi/action filmmaking. Not much more to add.
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The others are exercises in Production Design.
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It's Whedon's first stab at writing the Firefly crew.
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is so cool!
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...was how Skerritt played Dallas as such a cranky, stressed out, unimpressed son of a bitch. It's like he's channeling Nick Nolte. Especially in the scene when he's tracking the alien in the air ducts, and Lambert and the rest of the crew are freaking out over the radio, "IT'S RIGHT ON TOP OF YOU, MOVE!" And he just sorta sits there shining a flashlight around, frustradedly sighing, "Look, I just want to get the hell out of here." This new Alien prequel should just be Dallas' backstory. -
Didn't we get that in AvP:R? Speaking of which, you guys really need to give that another shot. I watched it again last week, and it's quite awesome. And I will bitch slap (somehow) the first person who says "It's too dark." It's a HORROR movie.
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Humans had knowledge of the alien species prior and might have even interacted with it before. The Nostromo was scheduled to stop and pick up the Alien.
The problem showing the Space Jockey's backstory with the Alien and then human's first interaction with the Alien has to be far apart in time. The Space Jockey is fossilized in the chair. So the ship has been there for a really long time. The eggs have been preserved probably because of the Space Jockey's containment technology. So there's little chance of human and Space Jockey species ever meeting. So the film would have to jump forward from the Alien and Space Jockey, to Alien and Human. -
...as long as they don't turn it into another hollowed-out CGI shitfest like 99% of sci-fi movies are these days (I'm looking at you, Transformers/Terminator Salvation/Day the Earth Stood Still/etc). Blade Runner, Alien & Aliens, Predator, original Star Wars- they all were shot using models, puppets, and other low-tech gadgetry...and I'll be damned if they don't look fifty times better than any George Lucas green-screen wankfest! Here's hoping Ridley sticks to the old school. Only way he's gonna get my $8.
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Wow, they actually want to go with a good director? But then after making horrible and forgettable movies like AVP and AVP2, and not to mention the craptastic X3 and Wolverine, the odds are in their favor for making a good decision ... Well assuming they won't try to handcuff ridley. Aside from that, I've been waiting for Ridley to do a scifi and Aliens movie for a really long time. I'll be one of the first in line to watch Ridley's movie. Fox ... Don't fuck with Ridley. Let him do whatever he wants and give him a huge budget.
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http://tinyurl.com/lfq3t4 Read it and enjoy.
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supposedly its a inside joke. when they were casting for "aliens" janette goldstein dressed like an illegal alien, thinking that was what the film was about, and not a masterful scifi film that it would become. true story..i was there.
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he was just griping about doing shit that he thought was beneath him...he would fit in great in these TBs
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if thats the biggest problem a film has these days, bring it on.
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Jun 10, 2009 7:49:13 PM CDT
The original Star Wars movies suck too because of the haircuts
by robertbaron
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Get your kids to sit down and watch Alien by themselves in a darkened room then ask them if it was scary.
I understand what you are getting at though, modern audiences are desensitized. -
1.) Alien2.)Aliens3.)Alien³4.)Alien:ResurrectionHah, who could have guessed?
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I bet he and Stephen Baldwin would become fast chums.
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Fox is trying to get Ridley off the project. The relationship between him and Fox went toxic after KOH. No way he's gonna work for them let alone on a reboot of his own movie. Fox makes the ultimatum and he walks, taking his protege director with him.
BUT they'll give Ridley some points so long as he keeps his name on as producer and Fox'll hire John Moore to do Rothman's bidding. -
Simple as that.
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What are you stylist pussies talking about? Put down your glamour magazines you cockless bitches and realize that Aliens rocks.
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Good point, Donkey_Lasher. Kids probably shouldn't ever watch "Alien" in a dark room, I'm thinking. Because... frighteningly gory and inappropriate. Hehe.
I guess what I meant to write is that people don't refer to aliens in hushed tones anymore. They're not "Holy Shit" scary at this point. A lot of people think of them in PG-rated terms, not R-rated.
But I probably exaggerated my point based on what I see from people around me. Good point to keep in mind. -
Prequels suck. Period. Name one decent prequel. The Star Wars Prequels were awful and ruin the original trilogy when you recall baby and adolescent Darth moaning for three damn films. Red Dragon was atrocious prequel that parodied the cool Hannibal Lecter who was terrifying in both Silence and Hannibal. The Exorcist prequels were so bad they made two of them. Even remakes and reboots rarely work. The exception being Batman Begins and The Thing and maybe Dawn of the Dead. Everything else is terrible. So what good will come of exploring the origins of the Alien franchise? Why make something concrete and literal when ambiguity is what made the Alien so frightening to begin with?
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There's no way in hell he could deal with the lack of control he'd have on a big studio pic. Plus if he could get past that, he'd walk off the set after a week of dealing with Fox anyway. If he even made it to principal photography.
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I actually just came on here to say Chris Cunningham should be given carte blanche with an Alien film, but I see some other smart people already beat be to it. What's say we all will it to fruition aye?
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Come on people. Admit it
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FOX just boils my blood. Well if the rumor is to be believed that they'll do it if only Scott is on board appears to show that someone at FOX is actually thinking before leaping.
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Jun 10, 2009 11:16:37 PM CDT
Being contrarian is going to get me rich and laid, fuckers.
by dannyglovers_dickbl00d
I insult movies like T2 and Aliens because you mouth-breathing retards like that pussy-ass shit, while giving props to Empire Of The Sun. People like people that think different. And a Hollywood bigwig is gonna be impressed with my swag and hire me out. That's when the naturally large-breasted asian bitches get pummeled by my four-inch angry cock. Wait, I mean eight-inch! ...dammit.
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My idea was that the Colonial Marines have been on plenty of duty, but it almost always amounts to basically killing giant bugs or some shit when the "dumbass colonists" get scared. That was my interpretation at least. Hudson is a coward, but he joined the corps because he wanted to kill. But all he's ever done is basically serve as a glorified exterminator. So there's just this sort of resentment as he gets shipped off to do boring ass shit like killing some bugs because the "dumbass colonists" keep getting themselves into trouble and can't do shit for themselves. So when Gorman says that they'll be up against a "xenomorph" (which basically means "alien shape" and could apply to pretty much any alien), Hicks replies "It's a bug hunt", assuming that it's just gonna be like every other time they've had to kill off some silly fucking aliens.
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One of the best remakes I'm ever likely to see. That shit was near perfect, far better than even The Thing.
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im done with Aliens. i mean really, is there anything more about them to tell? I need a new scifi alien horror series. make up some new monsters and new rules.
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i hate that movie.
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I'll take that challenge.
AvP: Rectum is an unmitigated piece of shit. "Dark" isn't the problem -- not knowing how to utilize the dark most certainly IS. Alien is also a pretty dark film but the lighting, cinematography and editing are so brilliant that you can see what's going on while at the same time mystery and terror are enhanced by the darkness.
AvP: Rectum, by contrast, hides EVERYTHING in darkness, making it virtually impossible to see what's going on. Pretty much every Alien or Predator scene is a bunch of roaring, hissing, thumping and crunching over black, glistening, writhing... well, what IS that, anyway?
Don't even get me started on the script, the cast, and everything else. There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, good about AvP: Rectum. It made the first AvP look like Empire Strikes Back. -
How DO you make the ³?
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That's one of my favorite bits with Dallas, when he's trying to keep it together in the air ducts. Lambert is losing her shit and Dallas freezes up and goes "Uuuuhhhhh...."
What's so great about Skerritt's Dallas is that even if he doesn't like his crew very much, hates his job, feels like he's unqualified to deal with the situation, looks like he has a perpetual hangover and just wants to go home, he still mans up and does what the captain has to do. It's a great performance. -
Why did they never do this? I know it's different companies, but it would be so cool. I once wrote a fan fic where aliens would up on the Enterprise, and Kirk and Spock had to fight them.
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When I said Aliens is to blame for the shite that followed, I didn't mean that it's not a damned good film in it's own right. I was just recalling Wankerson going on about how he was such a big fan of the series and it was obvious that he meant Aliens.
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That the xenomorph skull in Predator 2 was the seed of the idea. However, the style and ethos they keep aiming for is Camerons. And DocP is 100% correct about that abomination that shall not be named.
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or the ability of the Aliens to reproduce by vomiting multiple foeti down a pregnant woman's neck. Fuck that shit.
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http://timesonline.typepad.com/blockbuster_buzz/2009/06/did-you-enjoy-blade-runner-do-you-want-some-more.html
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We don't need another sequelprequelreboot.
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Alien³ isn't shit and it's not great either, but it was an interesting way to end Ripley's arc and it should have ended there. That cloning bullshit was unnecessary.
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Is this for real?! I thought they would have just handed this over to Renny Harlin, no questions asked..! Whoa - this makes me a little dizzy...
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All you guys wanting a Chris Cunningham version of Alien are in for a long wait. He has publicly stated he will never direct a feature film. Though he does do effects and DP them
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So, GI Joe ALLEGEDLY is the worst tested movie in Paramount's history? Stephen Sommers was fired from the project in post-production? HAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAA.
http://tinyurl.com/ll4oyr
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That's what those fuckers get for hiring that dipshit Stephen Sommers.
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deep sleep. Yeah Pacrone I have mentioned that idea in nearly every alien talkback for a year. It seems cliche, but they could start over. It would also explain Weavers/Ripleys aging. Newt and Hicks dying pissed alot of people off. Why go through hell with 3 people only to have 2 of them die in a crash. Kind of a copout.
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I don't know if you read the update, but it seems like the story was bogus. Sure the update could be whitewash, but who do you trust? The producer or unnamed sources?
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I think the Ridley Scott did a fine job on Alien but really Aliens is what made the franchise a true success. Of course you can't have one without the other.
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y doesn't Ridley Scott do it? It's a no brainer!
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Jun 11, 2009 10:11:58 PM CDT
Forget the Alien Prequel - ask him when Gladiator is going to be
by ajd_1
It's the one Blu-Ray I need to own!!!
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When the Alien comes out of Kane, and then Parker goes at it with a little plastic spork.
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And play Old Harry Dean Stanton.
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This franchise is dead. The original movies were about Ripley doing everything she could to prevent the Aliens from spreading and killing. It was her tale. This recent AvP movies have been about nothing more than campy fight scenes and deaths. They need to let it go. And speaking of prequels, does Casino Royale count as prequel? Cause that would be only prequel that I worked. I think Temple of Doom took place before Raiders of the Lost Ark so that might count too (not saying it was better than Raiders...but it was still good)
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