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Kingpin To Serve As SPIDER-MAN 4’s Big Bad??
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“Spider-Man 4” producer Todd Black tells the New York post:
"We're just coming up with who the villain's going to be now. We'll be shooting in New York again. Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it'll be a big part of New York."
Post columnist Reed Tucker surmises Black is likely talking about Wilson Fisk, “The Kingpin.”
Though first played in 2003’s “Daredevil” by Michael Clarke Duncan, the superstrong crime boss was actually introduced in 1967’s Amazing Spider-Man #50.
I’m a huge fan of Duncan’s and quite enjoyed “Daredevil,” so I’d love to see Duncan brought back for a bit more Marvel universe-building. But I also wonder if Fox, which released “Daredevil,” has any claim to Fisk that would prevent him from appearing in Sony’s Spidey franchise.
Black also confirms to Tucker that Kirsten Dunst will reprise Mary Jane Watson in the fourth chapter.
Find all of the Post’s story on the matter here.
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purely speculation
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Been done! How about Mysterio? Vulture?
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The Sinister Six?
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He's a Spidey villain first and foremost to my mind.
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Bruce Campbell as Mysterio
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They used him in Daredevil and still have the rights. That's why the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon used L. Thompson Lincoln (Tombstone) as the main boss of crime.
Why not cast Densel Washington as Tombstone? He made an awesome criminal in previous movies.
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You can't tell me there's not a big fat white dude out there to play Fisk that can "act" as well as MCD.
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Hollywood doesn't even care about continuity between films in the same franchise, much less ones from different studios.
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But Kingpin seems admittably too 'real world' for the series. It worked to a degree in daredevil because that was basd in a semi-plausible world. I just don't see them following up Power Rangers armor and robot arms and alien space goop and sand monsters with a great big fat motherfucker in a white suit.
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I demand Paste Pot Pete!
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Please let it be lizard. I'm only interested in Spider-Man 4 if the main baddie is the Lizard. And if it's written in such a way as to facilitate the forgetting of Spider-Man 3.
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Those vague comments about NYC's involvement makes me think he could be referencing the sewers of the city...thus, The Lizard.
Honestly, I'll be disappointed if the film's villain is just a fat crime boss in a suit, rather than a more glamorous character...just my opinion. -
No offence my Afro-centric friends...but my America is a WHITE KINGPIN!!!
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This would be amazing twist!! It would definitely bring back the interest that the die-hards had for the Spiderman movie franchise. Especially since some was lost from the part 3 debacle. Wilson Fisk as the Kingpin is a dream come true to many Spiderman fans. And having Micheal Clarke play him will bring a surprise continuity from the Daredevil franchise!!
I think paying off Fox for the rights to the Kingpin is worth top dollar!! GO FOR IT RAIMI!!!!!!!!! -
HE appeared in the MTV Spider-man cartoon and he actually was black in that.
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I figured it was Kingpin as well. Who else could it be?
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Not gonna happen. Especially not with Clarke-Duncan.
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My last post sounds incredibly racist...lets all forget about it and start a petition for "ALAN THICKE FOR KINGPIN".
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If there is just one villain, I can understand what you mean about it being a super powered villain like Lizard or Kraven etc.. But remember having Kingpin as a main villain entails other minor super powered villains that work under him even if they are b level villains. Kingpin being in the continuity is only the beginning of some amazing stuff for the Spiderman franchise!! TRUELY Amazing! It opens the door for Hobgoblin, Rose, Silver Sable, Black Cat, Bullseye, Hammerhead! and on and on!!
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I think the villain in Spidey 4 will be... The Lizard. I think what Black is saying when he says "IT'LL be a big part of New York" I think he was giving a clue.... also, anybody who is familiar with New York knows about the urban legends about "gators in the sewers" which will translate to the Lizard lurking under the Big Apple. This scenario may also give Raimi a chance to keep practicing his "horror tricks" after Drag Me to Hell. But most of all, Dylan Baker has been in the last two films... they're obviously building his character up for some kind of payoff.
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I wont see it unless he cries.
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director's cut rocks.
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1 & 2 were good because the villain got appropriate development and screen time. Even as good as TDK was, the quick treatment of Two-Face (& killing him off) really marred the whole thing for me.
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I mean really, Kirsten Dunst? Really? Mary Jane is supposed to be a red haired knockout, not a cheesecloth bag filled with dough. She's such an ugly actress.
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Or Robert De Niro.
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...her ONLY saving grace as Mary Jane. She is otherwise crap, crap, crap.
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Oh great, a guy. But he's really big and stocky! How interesting.
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Get that fucker some steroids, shave his head, put him on set, then tweak the lights!!! It'll be movie magic!
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for Spiderman 3 (but Sony didn't)
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Daredevil is an absolute atrocity that makes Spiderman 3 look like an epic masterpiece, so anyone involved with it better stay a continent away from any other superhero movie lest they infect it with poisonous failure.
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I'm thinking back on other comic movies' 4th chronological sequels: Superman IV: The Quest for Peace; Batman and Robin... and that's it, folks. Wolverine is a prequel, but from what I've heard (I'll wait to watch it on cable) it's no better than X3. Can Spider-Man 4 really be expected to improve upon the pattern of diminishing returns?
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Jun 08, 2009 9:18:41 PM CDT
Didn't they already say that 4's villian has already appeared in
by meta
Which leaves us the possibility of 1) Lizard (most likely) 2) Man-Wolf (John Jameson). Or they could go with the classic spider slayer that has Jameson's face in the videoscreen. I personally wouldn't mind a Kraven the Hunter, but we haven't seen Sergei anywhere in the first 3 films. But I hope the don't do the double dipping of villains in the same movie like in 3. It hurt that film. It's what hurt the Batman films (pre-Bale), so much. Having 2 baddies just waters down the impact of having a cool villain, because you can't spend enough time developing them into someone interesting. Yes, BB & TDK did have Scarecrow in both along with the big bad, but he was more of a incidental tool of the main baddie, than an actual main villain.
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Seeing as Spider Man lives and operates in NYC aren't all of his villians NYC villains?
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MATT MURDOCK: Cillian Murphy THE KINGPIN: Michael Clarke Duncan OR Vin Diesel in a fat suit like in "Find Me Guilty" KAREN PAGE: Billie Piper FOGGY NELSON: Wil Wheaton ELEKTRA: Eva Green BULLSEYE: Rufus Sewell
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movie or its "continuity." Even Fox thought it sucked. If they didn't they would be making a sequel to it instead of "remaking" it.
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He was hands-down one of the best parts of Daredevil(a film thats not as bad as you folks seem to remember). Who cares if he's black or white? The color of the Kingpin isnt an integral component of the character...and it would be cool if they could find a way to bring the FOX films into the Marvel fold(who wouldnt geek out at seeing Daredevil or Wolverine pop up in The Avengers?)
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This is some ridiculous bullshit. There is nothing about that report that should give the impression that they are thinking of Kingpin as the villain. I hate reports like this.
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Jun 08, 2009 9:26:22 PM CDT
i had no idea who he was before this talkback, but
by jackknifed_juggernaut
Paste Pot Pete has to be the most awesome name for anyone in any profession. ever.
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I always loved that guy.
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But even I am going... meh.
He's just not that interesting for a movie. A fat guy in a suit? OK, sure. You can pull that off. I mean, I like him but I would rather see real life versions of Kraven, Mysterio, or Electro - with the starfish mask. -
to try and offset the raging homosexual overtones of the first three movies.
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Why not Kevin James for Kingpin.
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Should be the next villain; for so many reasons.
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Maybe the Kingpin and The Lizard - but I have a funny feeling Clarke won't be back.
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The Statue of Liberty comes to life & goes around biting people's heads off.
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Jun 08, 2009 9:30:02 PM CDT
who wouldnt geek out at seeing Daredevil or Wolverine pop up in
by jimmay
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Umm, me, for one. That sounds pretty fail-y.
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I'm on-board. This is GOLD!
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She truly thinks the series can't go on without her. But I'd trade her saggy grandma boobs and dull face for the likes of Alison Lohman.
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He's close...
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Did you just post that on IGN?
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Fuck the haters Alan, a bunch of Tony Danza ass wipers they are.
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The Shocker gives MJ the shocker while Harry, the Green Goblin and Uncle Ben watch from the dead and eat really good pie.
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obviously
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Bright lights. Big city. I sure Fox will just hand over Kingpin to Sony like they did with Watchmen for Warner Bros. I don't know that I'd be thrilled with either of them. I think Kurt Conners (The Lizard) and possibly Kraven (coming to hunt down the Spider and the Lizard) would make for an interesting film. But with Spidey it's always about the soap opera. Look at Spidey 2. Really what made it great was the real connections between Pete and MJ, Pete and Otto, and Pete and Harry. Spidey 3 had none of that. All of it was and over the top cheese. I think Peter needs a villain he can connect with for Spidey 4.
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Jun 08, 2009 9:37:24 PM CDT
What suckage. Kingpin is a crappy villain. MCD was terrible.
by snake foreskin
Come to think of it, Daredevil was terrible. Kingpin is like Christopher Walken's bad guy in Batman Returns. Ass.
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= potato in your milkshake
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of course he was found to have also killed Uncle Ben. Then you've got yourself a story!
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He was first portrayed by John Ryss-Davies back in 1989.
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Drag Me To Hell, indeed. Raimi need only have shown her on-screen doing the dishes and folding clothes.
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Jun 08, 2009 9:39:11 PM CDT
oh, and it's obvious that Spidey's villain in 4...
by jackknifed_juggernaut
...will be the RENT musical billboard in Times Square (how New York is that?). and if the producers want to go the dual-baddie route, they can throw in The Lion King for good measure.
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...a good choice for Kingpin. He definitely has the mass for it, just needed the right clothing to nicely conceal but at the time show his girth. And a shaved head John Goodman would've been intimidating as hell if you ask me. Anyways I think that with Spiderman 4 they'll incorporate some kind of Goblin in it. Norman Osborn is/was a huge part of New York, so that's a good indicator. They have to incorporate some kind of Goblin because the Goblin is to Spiderman what Lex Luthor is to Superman, ie always has some part in Spiderman's life.
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Every new spiderman movie we go through this endless villain speculation. Getting too old for this shit.
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and then watch the continuity insanity begin
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I was just thinking the other day that the Round Mound of Rebound was the perfect size for the Kingpin, what a coincidence.
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Fresh face please!
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Though, the Director's Cut is horrible.
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It could work, just get Shaq some acting lessons. He would look intimidating as hell in that big, white suit. Dwayne Johnson as Kraven would work for me too. The Spidey b-list villain i'd most like to see in a cameo- HAMMERHEAD!
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Always has to do with hairstyles. The actor who plays kingpin or the vulture must be bald, no one can simply shave their head. If anybody suggests Larry David as the vulture I'm going to fucking kill myself - on TV.
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So far the most logical idea I've heard is that the 'big part of NYC' is a reference to the underground subway system, which I imagine would be The Lizard's main hangout.
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daredevil was actually a pretty good movie, i don't understand the hate for it. spidey need a super villain. no vulture. who he fuck wants to see a geriatric villain? rhino, kraven or the lizard. actualy the lizard would be preferable.
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Maybe that's why he recently slimmed down some of his massive tonnage (he's been to big to be Kingpin, not quite big enough to be the gay Hutt from the Clone Wars) ...and he's been a ruthless hateful dick the past week. He's getting into character.
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"Looks like you're a born loooooooooser!"
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Y'know the one where Spiderman grows 4 more arms, that would be freakin' AWESOME!!
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It all fits so perfectly, dammit.
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Now where is my cookie and bag of chips!
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Hey, I heard from a friend in the know that the decision has already been made and he's cast as Kingpin
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I think it's Mysterio. The theater is a huge part of what makes New York New York. I think it's going to be Mysterio. I just can't see Fox allowing Sony to use the character especially if they own the rights. And if so, I smell lawsuit a la Watchmen.
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...so long as that villain kills off Mary Jane in the opening scene! Crap on a cracker...I hate-hate-HATE Kirsten Dunce as Mary Jane Watson! She is even worse than Emo-Parker! That said... Kingpin would be a poor choice for any of the Spider-Man films. It should be Lizard, it's only smart to payoff having Dr. Curt Connors mentioned in 1 and actually show up in 2 & 3! And being that The Lizard is an large, exotic animal...bring in Kraven The Hunter! BUT...absolutely no more than 1-2 villains in TOTAL! I think Morbius would have been a horrible idea and it would be looked at as a way to cash in on all the current vampire craze, be it good ('True Blood') or horrible ('Twilight'). Elektro would be a nice choice! Hydro-Man is too close to Sandman in effect, so he's out. Mysterio could be interesting, but everyone would bitch about how they'd surely fuck up the original costume design. Rhino might be interesting simply from a power/strengh standpoint, but again...not so believable with the costume. Lastly, the Vulture might be an interesting choice...well, then again, maybe not. So my choices would be (in order of preference...) Lizard, Kraven, Elektro or Mysterio!
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Oh Mysterio you crafty bastard. But sorry Daredevil still sucks. Mysterio's power of illusion only goes so far.
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Jun 08, 2009 10:10:07 PM CDT
Daredevil the Director's Cut is Awesome...
by the_floating_skull_of_robert_loggia
That flick, Blade II, and X-2 are the three best Marvel flicks, period. The rest are cack!
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that short foreign guy from "The Hangover" who was trapped in the trunk naked play Kingpin, imo.
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I'd like to see Dunst get in trouble with the Shocker.
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And I'm sorry but Kirsten Dunst is the bomb mega. Go check out her fantastic ass in Luckytown - my infliction tool could find a home in there for weeks. I would make her cry.
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Jun 08, 2009 10:11:38 PM CDT
to hell with the Kingpin casting, can a guy just get...
by jackknifed_juggernaut
an MJ who's actually fuckable; a Peter who's actually entertaining/non-depressing as all hell; a Harry (and Doc Ock... and Norman) who's actually alive; an Uncle Ben who actually wasn't killed by Sandman McTears-alot; a plot that actually has someone other than MJ standing in as final hostage...
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A criminal kingpin named "Kingpin"... ugh.
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I loved Daredevil. Duncan played the Kingpin about as well as anyone could in that movie, but Kingpin is just not right for a superhero movie. Even in Daredevil, they threw in Bullseye for most of the action scenes; the Kingpin fight was quite lame by comparison. Kingpin as the main villain in Spider-Man 4 will be a yawn-fest.
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I'm just saying----He looks Iike him
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hahaahaha Sounds like you want a reboot. I agree with you on a lot of that but ha. I think this is as good it's ever gonna get.
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Get it done.......NOW!
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For fuck's sake, they've been teasing that shit for years. I thought that now, with all of the obvious picks (Green Goblin and Doc Ock, especially) out of the way, they'd finally get around to giving us some Lizard action. Damn.
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C'mon...you know JK Simmons is the best part of this franchise!
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King pin.
HO Hum.
As long as he doesn't get too much screen time.
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...as a kid I thought either Brando or Orson Welles would have been perfect. What 'large'/ 'older' person do we have nowadays who could have the screen presence?
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I would cast Ian McShane as Kraven and we already have Dylan Baker patiently waiting to be the Lizard!!
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is in the ballpark. Big, fat and intimidating is hard to do right. There's only a handful of guys who can pull it off. If they don't use Michael Clark Duncan, they may need to just get a really tall actor and put him in a fatsuit (augmenting with CGI).
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would be a fucking nightmare for spider-man...and raimi could pull the mechanics of it off really well too.ultimaate rhino for villain!!
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I'd like to see Malkovich as Dr. Hugo Strange laying a serious mind-fuck on Batman in the next movie...ok,back to Spidey..
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and it's not Kingpin.
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argument to me. I really don't get it. The color of his skin really doesn't define his character. I'm not trying to sound politically correct here, and maybe I'm ignorant to something that happened in Kingpin's past, but I don't understand why something so superficial matters in this specific instance. I could understand if they cast a movie with Atticus Finch as a black man or Martin Luther King Jr. as a white man, but this is a fictional character whose caucasian ties are purely watercolor.
That being said, I always liked Kingpin in the lat 90s animated series - which is about as deep as my Spiderman knowledge goes. OH. And I DO want Lizard.
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Instead we'll get another nauseating "Pete's a' walkin'" scene surrounded by crap.
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We need a very strong actor in the role of kingpin. I don't know who, but he needs to be top rate.
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Fuck haters.
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In Spidey 4, or the rebooted Daredevil.
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Without a doubt. YUP. There's nothing I agree with in this TB more then that.
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in "Trial of the incredible hulk" small "e" for effort on that one.
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Wasn't a big fan of part 1, but it did what it was intended to in telling an origin story. Part 2 was more fun and had a more compelling villain then part 3 all out sucked. Terrible villains, terrible plot and the chemistry between actors seemed to make a hard left turn. Now they want to do a part 3 with no (now a good thing) re-boot in mind? I won't worry about the Kingpin rumor just yet as it really won't matter who the villain is until a script is done and someone behind the scenes can indicate that they plan to do this one much better than the last.
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Actually John-Rhys Davis played Kingpin first
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Just replace Vermin with The Lizard and it should fit into the movie series really good. Spyder, Spyder, burning bright!
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anybody remember my kingpin/kraven daydream in the old spiderman 4 poster TB? wee
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Come on Sam Raimi, you are the casting genius. If you can bring Topher Grance along as Venom, then you sure as hell can do Michael Cera as Kingpin. Oh and since you worked with the douche bag Justin Long in Drag Me to Hell, he can play Carnage.
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This way, he can get that snaggletoothed Mary Jane to blow her brains out.
Seriously. Just imagine a crazed Dunst with a shotgun saying, "I am in a world of shit." right before painting Peter's small apartment red.
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just sayin...
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PLEASE Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Jun 08, 2009 11:09:03 PM CDT
Kirsten Dunst's only remaining role in the Spidey
by jackknifed_juggernaut
universe is that of the mounted head of the illustrious snaggle-tooth tiger adorning Kraven's trophy room.
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cool villains...this is the problem. i do think kraven and lizard would be great tho...and make it less fucking faggoty. doesn't have to be as dark as batman but less saccharine than it is now. also kill kirsten dunst. get the english girl from 3...oh no she killed herself..
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Then would the race thing mean something?
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Jun 08, 2009 11:14:31 PM CDT
not only would the race thing still be ridiculous, JediRob,
by jackknifed_juggernaut
but if Farrell wore his Miami Vice 'stache and mullet combo, i'd say his Blade would be kickass by default.
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The Lizard for way too long. Let's
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PLEASE keep him. And anyone who hasn't seen the director's cut of daredevil DO SO...Great flic. The orignal was a date movie (released on valentine's day remeber) all cuz of columbine but the DC is still my fav Marvel flic... Affleck was tha bomb!
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...because those things have spurs on their feet and can be really nasty. they fight them in mexico!
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Jun 08, 2009 11:23:27 PM CDT
oh, and the director's cut for Daredevil must've put the
by jackknifed_juggernaut
GOOD back into the movie, because what i saw was hot garbage. Duncan be damned.
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we can't have a Spider-Man movie with the Kingpin and Daredevil & The Punisher as side characters.
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One thing they cant do is overstuff the movie with characters like part 3 and it goes in every direction lacking a concrete story. Sandman was done right, but he definitely needed more screen time and Venom was just mediocre, do Venom right or not at all.
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Didn't the comics establish him as originating from the Italian mafia and rising to become head of the greatest crime syndicate on the globe? Comparatively Duncan's black Kingpin was just some street thug and looked like low organization boss. Hardly the same thing... Kingpin's ethnicity does matter in that regard, but then again the Spider-Man movies aren't as serious as some of the recent comics so whatever... I'm hoping that Marvel will tie in the Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider, X-men thing with reboots to go alongside what they're doing with the Avengers/Captain America/ Iron Man/ Hulk...
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Im biased with the HULK, but can we get more Hulk movies and not shitty Captain America. Thor is in the same line. Theyre fucking boy scouts with no personality ala Superman. Cmon we need The Hulk the greatest beast of all time. At least make him the opponent for the Avengers movie and have him destroy eevryone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hulk smash everyones penis!!!!!!!!!!!
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...wait
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You enjoyed Daredevil? What the fuck? I'm sure Raimi's Kingpin will be much better than the previous. Unless he dances, in which case all bets are off.
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A true Fisk needs to radiate both thugishness AND sophistication at the same time.
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is the ONLY choice for KINGPIN! He's a pretty good Winston Churchill too- check out "Into the Storm" on HBO.
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Otherwise, for what other reason has Dylan Baker been playing a one-armed doctor in the past several movies? I can't imagine them skipping that prolonged setup for Lizard, just to use a rather mundane, recycled villain from one of the lamer installments of the Marvel movie universe.
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If it's essentially New York, it'll be yet another 9/11 metaphor come to life. Not sure who would be that metaphor realized as a villain - possibly Rhino? Scorpion?
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The reason nobody cares if Kingpin is white or black is because who gives a shit about Kingpin? Blade, on the other hand, has to be black, because I don't want to hear any white guy try to act cool while talking about ice-skating uphill. Also, there's already a Van Helsing, we don't need a(nother) Neo Van Helsing.
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anyway. Duncan's Kingpin was a different take on it, but really, you need a sophisticated, huge mountain - yeah, fat, too -- guy, white or black (which doesn't matter). I'm just concerned they'll do something like...ugh...Tombstone.
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besides the acting and awful stunt coordination, was the godawful soundtrack. It sounded like the studio wanted to sell an album of all these unknown bands they represented. It was embarassing.
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Think about it. It'd come to life. and eat some motherfuckers. Goddamn. Pure fucking genius, I say. I'll wait for my check in the mail.
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Where the hell is TFD anyway?
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...when properties from a particular stable are licensed to different studios, unless it's explicitly stated in the contract that a given character is reserved for someone else, they belong to who ever uses it first. An example of this would be when Soderbergh did Out of Sight, Universal had to seek permission from Miramax to include Ray Nicolette, since Jackie Brown was made first. So in this case, being that Fox still definitely has the Daredevil film rights, chances are slim they would give permission, or Sony would pony up the cash for something so seemingly inconsequential. But hey, it all depends on the contract.
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Its central park. Lizard is loose in the park and the public calls in kraven.
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Could be Michael Chiklis...and they could use the digital "embiggening" effects that they used in "The Lord of the Rings" Trilogy to make Gandalf look bigger than everyone else. But, I don't like the idea regardless. Bring on The Lizard, please. Then, bring on Kraven The Hunter to hunt him and Spidey!!!
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Was thinking Brian Blessed myself...
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As I was about to say.
If the BQE came to live and devoured innocents...
motherfucking Sufjan Stevens could score the film.
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i had to tell him how to get to where i wanted to go. and he took out his map and i had to show him. he still drove all over the city . he took the long scenic route. then he expected me to pay him. lol.
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I'm actually quickly running out of black comic characters.
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Its an alliteration and the irony is unbelievable. Beyonce for Black Cat, Hayden Christiansen as a whiny Kraven, and Horatio Sanz as Mysterio... Dont forget about the re-emergence of Topher Grace with even blonder hair as Venom..... plus we can throw in some random ginger for carnage....
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That Ginger bastard is probably still alive and still soul-less as can be. I say we track him down and play child hood star revival. Problem Child kid, Topher, Tobey.... Sounds like an Allstar Cast
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I can see part 4 featuring Kraven hunting Parker's mentor Dr.Connors, trapped in the Lizard's form, with Spidey caught in between... classic he wins-he loses situation for Spiderman.
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What an ass. I seriously wonder how someone can make the conclusion that The Kingpin is a "big part of New York". The Lizard makes MUCH more sense. Especially if he's running around the sewers, fulfilling that old urban legend that actually IS a big part of new york- the alligators in the sewer. And I'm betting Fox owns Kingpin. Trust me, this ain't happening.
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A Sam Raimi Kingpin is a fat bastard I'd like to see.
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because he's not written by Joss Whedon. Thank god.
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YOu could definitely bring back Doc Ock somehow and then he snookers Sandman into the racket along with Lizard....then throw in an intelligent partner like Mysterio and added muscle like Electro and Hobgoblin (some thug that gets access to the Osborn Goblin equipment.) What say you all??
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I've posted this twice before:
Here's a comparison pic:
http://tinyurl.com/yrq36z
and, just for inspiration:
http://tinyurl.com/5rtcuh
http://tinyurl.com/57wt4b
The current MJ:
http://tinyurl.com/2h7uyy
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http://tinyurl.com/yrq36z
and, just for inspiration:
http://tinyurl.com/5rtcuh
http://tinyurl.com/57wt4b
The current MJ:
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Kingpin... meh.
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I could see the Kingpin if you did a variation of the Goblin and the Gangsters or something like that, involving Hobgoblin and Kingpin, but I can't see that now considering the Goblin angle has been so overplayed.
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Such as Brendan Gleeson or James Gandolfini and then pull a Hagrid and just digitally increase his size by a couple of feet. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.
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also there in plans of a DD reboot so I doubt they will release it to Sony.
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Instead of Dunst playing girl-next-door Gwen Stacy, she plays MJ- who is supposed to be supermodel hot. If Dunst played Gwen, they could have killed her off in Spiderman 3 ramping up the drama while introducing MJ. And instead of superhot Jolene Blalock playing Elektra, the studio decided for another girl-next-door type Jennifer Garner. Bad casting on both fronts.
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not writes
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Bryce DH looked and seemed alot like the MJ we know and if she looked like 8 years ago she would had been perfect for THE MJ we know and Kirsten would have been a OK GS.
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as the hobgoblin.
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and fox owns kingpin
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The guy fucking owns this town.
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Spider-Man faces his toughest foe... his uncontrollable boner!
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We'll all have boners in that case! Even Kirsten Dunst will sport wood.
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I really want to see a bald John Goodman kicking ass.
If that means he has to be in a Spiderman movie and take the moniker "Kingpin" instead of "Bald John Goodman", so be it.
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Sorry , but it sucked. I too thought it was cool at the time, but when I sat down to watch it on DVD for the first time, and was watching with my uninitiated (meaning non-comic reading) friends and they laughed at scenes that were not supposed to be funny?? it clued me in. The movie sucked. Sorry. it did. Anyway, as far as kingpin is concerned, the only way it works for me is if he is the head of a syndicate, in which he has hired a slew of villains to kill spidey, almost like the whole movie being spidey on the defense being attacked by all of his foes, and then after he has been weakened and beaten to a pulp, but still going?? THEN Kingpin shows his hand..I'm good with that...but if he is the main baddy?? doesn't sound too exciting to me...almost as bad as Lex Luthor trying to grab land AGAIN...
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and do that thing where Spiderman falls down a hole and finds a whole weird world where there is inexplicably a sky *underneath* New York and for some reason all the ground is tiled, and he runs into that castle from Rocket Robin Hood with the same organ guy and all the freaky monsters. yeah, they should totally do that.
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Kingpin could be awesome though. Movie spidey always seem to be fighting freaks from his own life. It would be cool if he gone up against the status quo, actually making a difference.
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him or Delta Burke..
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... and nailed Kingpin, in my opinion. He's a great actor in all senses, and the fact he's african-american playing an originally caucasian character doesn't bother me, in the end. I hope he - or Ving Rhames, another african-american that could be a perfect Kingpin - are cast if it's confirmed that this character is a villain in 4. But I assumed it was the Lizzard's turn now, after appearing in its human form for the other 3 movies...
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Digital Comics is awesome! Loving it so far, and the updates are always coming. A paper copy is very much the superior no question, but it's worth for sheer variety.
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Was the only thing that had any soul to it in the whole film.
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Jun 09, 2009 5:34:51 AM CDT
What part of FOX owns the rights do you not understand??
by tom_hanks_raped_my_girlfriend
fkkin retards.
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I'm not even American, never mind a New Yorker, but even I know this. What is the most popular urban legend associated with NYC from the 20th Century?
Alligators in the sewers of course.
Raimi wanted to use Kingpin a few years ago but couldn't because Fox have the movie rights to the character so it's not him.
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Jun 09, 2009 6:04:52 AM CDT
Duncan was good. I'd be happy to see him back. Less confusing
by mr nicholas
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That's all - we'll be getting a more standard, Earth-based Spidey villain. I mean: they're pretty much ALL from NYC...
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The whole mythology of the "Gators in the sewers" would play well plus it's a big part of New York. Have Kraven lured in to the hunt and... who knows?
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I think he died of a heart attack a while back.
Can't image why, he was so fit and trim. I think the Big Show Paul White would work. His performance as Captain Insano in the Water Boy is the stuff if Legends. -
I was also thinking Kingpin, but the alligators in the sewers is something I didn't think of. Weird how in Daredevil mentioned alligator in the sewers though and people keep saying Kingpin. Kingpin as a villain would be great, because you could cameo Daredevil or Bullseye plus he can use people like Electro, Vulture and other supervillains to go after Spidey. I know Fox owns the rights, but really its Marvel's character and Fox will eventually lose those rights anyway.
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is fucking HUGE. He should be a mix of practical and CGI effects. Kind of like what is being done with the monsters in Where The Wild Things Are...and get Kirsten Dunst out of these fucking movies. Sick of her.
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There's no way they'd use Kingpin without using another villain like The Lizard. Spider-man has always been about spectacle...and a giant mafia don in a suit won't get it done. They need splash and effects (these are not emotionally 'deep' films...nor will Kingpin sell toys which are absolutely interconnected with this franchise). Kingpin may be in it - but I guaran-fucking-tee you he won't be in it alone.
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And gender-bending stunt-casting at that. Playing the Kingpin: Rosie O'Donnell!
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Let it be because he brought Kraven into the mix. Maybe the lizard is disrupting his business inadvertantly... Then there's three villains and that could be a tad much...
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... the little midget judo guy, the big dumb guy, and the redneck with the cowboy hat and lasso. Hey, can't be any worse than Spidey 3!
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I was so looking forward to an Evil Dead-style Michael Morbius story!!! Creepy deadites stalking the citizens of New York and your Friendly Neighbourhood Spiderman having to save the day.
Bummer.
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For what it's worth, it seems to me the way to go is more villains and less back story, ala Batman Forever's short-but-sweet explanation of Two Face (he got splashed with acid in court; now he's crazy; let's begin). They'd get a great Electro in Lee Tergesen, and his usual epic fails would make a great opening to the movie. Bring the Lizard into the story, finally, and have Kraven hunt the Lizard if you want to keep the cast smaller. If you want to go the other way, add The Chameleon (no stunt casting required), Mysterio, The Shocker, Scorpion, Taskmaster, and a Hobgoblin plot to give Peter some paranoia. Either way, have the movie open with Peter and MJ already broken up again and introduce the Black Cat as a romantic interest, so that Peter gets some help in the third act.
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Like race race matters anymore. Who cares if he's white or black or hispanic or even asian? As long as he's a huge fucking guy, I couldn't care less what ethnicity he is. Hell, no one complains when Nick Fury is white in the normal comic line, but in the "Ultimate" line, he's black. So the fuck what! I hope he is Micheal Clark Duncan. That big gay motherfucker (no offense) is huge. Unless you can find someone larger, it's gotta be Duncan.
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assuming he's in the movie, won't be in it alone. He'll be pulling the strings of other villains. Though I'd fully expect him to be the last boss fight. Anyway, I like this idea. Bring on Kingpin!
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He's not a plotter. He's not deep. He's the Lizard. He's a riff on Creature from the Black Lagoon. He's beloved, and a great story, but not a great focus for a motion picture plot.
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...that in the early comics Fisk was described as Polynesian. anyone else remember that?
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knocks it out of the park with Spiderman 4. It'll make it easier for me to pretend Spiderman 3 never happened.
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Using the Lizard and/or Kraven and setting much of the action in Central Park? It seems a pretty vague comment to start making assumptions about who it is, and it's a stretch to conclude Kingpin based on that.
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John Goodman would make an excellent Kingpin. As for the race stuff, it's frustrating this doesn't sink in more than it does: comics are a visual medium, and strong visual iconography is a core component most successful comic characters. When you screw around with how a character *looks*, like it or not, you are screwing around with how they come across as well. This isn't even an issue of race- it's just standard operating procedure for faithful adaptations (or at least it ought to be). The Beast has blue fur. Captain America wears red, white and blue. The Incredible Hulk has green skin. etc.
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They plain don't need her - in fact the franchise would be so much better without Dunst. She's been my biggest problem throughout the series. Get rid of her and her hackneyed "woe is me" struggling actress subplot.
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perfect fit...but personally I would like to see Tombstone as the villain in SM4...
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They use any of the C-Grade villans like Electro, Vulture or Kraven. Lizard works, he's had the build up and the personal connection with Parker is there. How's he gonna feel going up against the last Father Figure he has left.
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...taking bookings!
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Doesn't Fox still own the rights to all of the "Daredevil" characters? That's why Ben Urich had to be a writer for the Post and not the Bugle, right?
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Really, many of you are up-and-arms against Dunst because she's--of all things--unattractive? If you had complained about her general lack of acting ability, I could understand that.
But if any of you guys had a naked Kirsten Dunst in front of you, slicked up in oil, all hot, wet, and begging for your cock, I daresay NONE of you would have the moral conviction and fortitude to say no.
So, yeah. When I hear these complaints that "Dunst is not hot" or "she's ugly and ruining the Spider-Man franchise," I'm kind of inclined to laugh at the audacity of those statements. -
"It's all... MUSCLE!"
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Now I havent read comics steady since the early 90's but I could had swore I saw in a spiderman issue and definetly in one of those Marvel Universe biography books that I have that Kingpin was pretty much all overdeveloped muscle.
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Whenever he was in the comics i always wanted spidey to defeat him not because he was bad or about to do something dastardly, just because he was so fuckking annoying.
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Jun 09, 2009 9:35:06 AM CDT
Common AS The Vulture (the culture vulture)
by tom_hanks_raped_my_girlfriend
perfect fit. annoying = annoying.
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Kraven's last hunt is the only spiderman story I'd want to see. Replace the vermin creature in that story with the lizard and you've got a good one. Also, haven't they been setting up the lizard story with Spidey's professor with the one arm for oh about three movies now.
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I dont think she's ugly, but I dont find the girl hot/fine either, okay she was lookin a lil good in Bring It On. From day one and every since I think she is completly wrong for Mary Janes, from every single aspect..I'm not just talkin about looks wise..but your right.
"But if any of you guys had a naked Kirsten Dunst in front of you, slicked up in oil, all hot, wet, and begging for your cock, I daresay NONE of you would have the moral conviction and fortitude to say no".
I wouldnt lol...I got standards but she not below them lol.
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Raimi's MJ to die a horrible death.
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i mean how laughable was that- it was embarassing. otherwise their were some good parts to the movie, i did like the potrayal of bullseye. spidey 4, i think kingpin would be a great choice, but think they should go with Lizard and morbius
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I gots an inside source in the scriptwriter's office says it's not Kingpin. I know that's really vague and completely unsubstantiated... but that's what I heard.
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Kirsten Dunst just looks wrong for the role. I always pictured Angie Everhart or someone of her stature and look as Mary Jane.
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I vote for Mysterio. And if you're going to do multiple villians again, go with the Sinister Six.
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I would say that The Sinister Six was a great idea. But the three villains in #3 proved that any more than 2 villains is too much.
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The director is incompetent, the script is worse, the production design and acting is dreadful, the casting of Jennifer Garner is terrible, everything is a preschool-numetal version of Daredevil. FUCK THAT.
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This is film. There won't be another Spidey movie or three a month later. Vulture is good. Kraven is good. Whomever said Bruce Campbell as Mysterio is brilliant. Electro would be good. The Lizard. Maybe even Morbius, but probably not.Also, I wanted Duncan for Kingpin in DAREDEVIL but it was the first time MCD sucked in a role. It's probably not his fault. The script, the directing and all the other casting, even the designs were wrong. DD needs a reboot. DD may be the best Frank Miller has ever been or will ever be, but they need to bring back more Stan Lee and Gene Colan into the movie. Marvel movies were afraid of costumes at the time (Arad even wanted DD to be an extreme athlete in a red hoodie for awhile).
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I doubt that GHOST RIDER was supposed to play like a brilliant, grade B second feature, but it worked wonderfully that way. It was like GRINDHOUSE without the self-consciousness. Although it did make wonder whom Nicolas Cage and Wes Bentley offended in Hollywood.
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so it's going to be Kingpin as villain number 1 and I take it therefore that villain number 2 will be someone he hires to take out Spidey? Hope not though as that would be shit and a copy of Daredevil. Just do Lizard, it's mostly set up anyway. And Carnage - that would be brilliant
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It doesn't matter to me if they use Kingpin as the arch enemy in S4. It doesn't bother me a whit whether they elect to use Michael Clarke Duncan (minus that annoying "I am the Outlaw" rap intro music). What WILL annoy me is not doing the character right. For those of you who may remember the character, Kingpin is a constant schemer, whose girth is deceptive making him extremely dangerous. It's important to keep this in mind and unlike Daredevil, do not make the climatic fight a few slams into the ceiling and wall with possitively no energy at all. Do it with style and have the Kingpin play all sides, manipulating Spiderman (and who knows, perhaps the Lizard as well, no?) then drawing him into a final confrontation.
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she was and will always be the worse choice for MJ and Kingpin, meh, he's just never seemed like a Spidey villain to me. he's definitely better suited to the Punisher or DD
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I always support continuity in casting characters, so if Kingpin is a part of this I say keep Duncan. Hell, you could even make him bigger than he was in Daredevil and show him start to take "shape".
But I agree with many opinions here...Kingpin can't be the only villain and The Lizard is a great choice, IMO. And what about Hammerhead instead for a crime boss?
Doesn't anybody else expect Sandman back? I thought it was all but promised with his exit in part 3? Which I thought was refreshing, to not have him die or written off.
Doc Ock was the best villain yet in the series, and I could buy into any story that would bring Alfred Molina back! He was brilliant, and those tentacles could have pulled him to the surface?
As for that giant teaser poster that was supposed to be a clue to the next plot...TBers seemed to look at the picture to guess a villain. But for some reason I saw a giant "4" and started to think of a "Fantastic" cross-over! Sony has shown they want to make each version bigger and better, and after Watchmen and with The Avengers on the horizon, I wouldn't bet against Spider-Man 4 adding MORE characters to the mix in one giant film to top all others.
But I'm definitely in favour of one central villain. I just think we should expect a bigger and more bloated movie than Spider-Man 3, even if fans don't want that.
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No Toby. No sale.
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Spider-Man does not need to cry in every scene! I will never see another Spider-Man movie until he is banished from the country. The shitty animation of "Spectacular Spider-Man" Peter Parker has a wider variety of emotions.
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Why set up all this Lizard teasing if it'll never pay off?
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Is treading dangerously close to Dunst territory for me. I don't know how many more gay emo faces I can take.
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If Marvel Studios could do a crossover thing with Iron Man & the Hulk, then they can do the same with Spider-Man!
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I dont think they can since Sony has the Spiderman movie rights and not Marvel Studio's onlyway is if both studios come to some agreement.
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IForgotAbout19, Spectacular Spider-man has incredible animation. I could understand if you didn't like the designs, but the animation is amazing. Also Topher Grace should have been Peter Parker.
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John Rhys-Davies played him in TRIAL OF THE INCREDIBLE HULK (1989).
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Duncan and Leland Orser reprised those roles in an episode of MTV's "Spider-Man" cartoon, so they are a part of that universe. :)
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Conners turns to Lizard. Runs amok. Kraven tries to capture him. Spidey protects Lizard from Kraven because he knows that Lizard is his mentor. That doesn't stop Lizard from kicking Spidey's ass too. MJ pouts a lot and gets held captive for the finale. This thing writes itself pretty much.
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I like that idea!Kid Z, you are thinking of The Enforcers (Fancy Dan, The Ox, and Montana).My problem with Kingpin in the Daredevil movie is they made him a wuss. DD reveals his true identity to Kingpin, but Kingpin won't do anything about it because it will hurt his street cred if it gets around he got beat by a blind guy. WTF?!? The Kingpin in the comics wouldn't hesitate, now that he knows Daredevil's true identity, to have Matt Murdoch's friends, family, teachers, entire high school graduating class, and his mail-man, slaughtered. As well as anyone who dares question his "street cred" because he got beat by a blind man. It was the stupidest, most ridiculous, most anti-climactic thing I think I have ever seen in a movie. The race of the actor playing Kingpin would have made no difference. Hell, he could have been played by Vern Troyer and that scene would not have been any less laughable.
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is what I meant to type.
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lizard man is spidey's teacher, kraven is trying to kill him, while spidey tries to cure him.
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Muscle. The fact that people are bitching about him being black and then suggesting as an alternative he be played by a 5'5'' skinny 60 year old guy says more than anything else about casting complaints.
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...is actually pretty good. I don't understand the hate for that movie. One could argue that Daredevil (universally hated) was better than Spiderman (the Green Goblin was pretty terrible, yet the movie was universally loved).
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...everyone saying Kingpin doesn't work as a villian because he doesn't have super powers, yet Lex Luthor works for Superman. Honestly, I think a truly evil, powerful man doesn't need super powers when they can out-manuever or out-smart their opponent.
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Make him a big reality TV star blowhard.
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I've lost a great deal of faith that a good Spiderman movie, at least as good as the second, will ever come to be. But I could see a movie-tie in with the Hulk beating the hell out of Spiderman at the mid- point in the movie, with Mary Jane stepping in and appealing to the Hulk to stop pounding him. This might at least try to change the "save Mary Jane" dynamics of the first two films. Either that or have a movie with Peter Parker crying and dancing simultaneously, then roll the credits so I find a better way to waste an evening.
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Maybe a subplot with the Lizard in the sewers, but that's a stretch. Either way something needs to be done with the Lizard already. I can't see Fox giving up anything Kingpin related seeing as how he's basically Daredevil's main villain and a reboot would be very welcome. Or whatever makes me forget Venom and the shit "Goblin" from part 3.
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Could be kind of fun. And the only way they should do Kingpin is as a CGi Brando.
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They should have taken my advice: Have Connors become the Lizard. Have JJJ hire Kraven to hunt the Lizard, so JJJ looks like a hero. Have Kraven realize the true worthy opponent is Spidey, who must stay alive while also protecting Connors.
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Todd Black was talking out of his butt, and he gave a purposely vague answer to sniff out what people are thinking?
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still alive. He was born to play Kingpin.
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Kingpin is white. You weak minds crack me up. Beyond black or white, you dont fuck with a character's identity PERIOD unless there's a legit and pressing reason to do so. Stunt casting is lame whether it's making a white character black, a male character female, tall character short w/e. It's called respecting the integrity of the character. Real life artists and writers' work went into creating these characters and no true geek would ever go along with random and cheap changes that merely disrepected the creator's vision for a quick buck. Aside from being black you morons actually think Duncan was ANYTHING like the character other than being massive? In the comics you can literally feel the machinations turning in the Kingpin's diabolical mind, Duncan came off as a thuggish enforcer. Once again PC mind are the stupidest in society. There can be exceptions, for example Wolverine was a foot taller in the movies but despite that change Hugh's portrayal was the truest thing in the 3 movies (miles better than black Halle Berry's performance of black storm and the only thing they had in common was they both had black mothers...) But you dont change a character from white to black and then pat yourself on the back merely to be PC. You are morons. Black and white does matter in characterizations. Why? because it's an integral part of the character's identity and one of the most immediately recognizable.
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I forgot who coined that one but it is great.
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search your hearts and you will know it to be true my fellow talkbackers...
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Ok, normally I would agree with you, but here is the thing about the Kingpin:
A - he is 6'7"; 450lbs according to the Marvel Handbook. I agree he is supposed to be a Machiavellian guy, but the biggest thing about the Kingpin is that he is big. Massive and Powerful, not just fat. Name a white actor who can play that part? James Gandolfini? The guy is big, yes, but he isn't built like the power lifter that Wilson Fisk is (which ex-lineman Duncan Clark is).
B) I think the problem with Duncan isn't his color, but he lacks Gravitas. Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction radiated power, Duncan didn't. Of course, I also blame the director, Mark Steven Johnson, for this. They missed the entire iconography that Miller did in DD with Kingpin - you ever notice Miller had shadows hiding Kingpin's eyes in DD? He stole that from Gordon Willis' work on The Godfather and how they shot Brando. And they also should of had a little Tony Soprano and Paulie from The Sopranos and GoodFellas, respectively. Tony always sat there stewing when he was mad with that insane breathing, and in GoodFellas they had that great line "Paulie didn't move fast, but that was because he didn't have to move for anyone." Johnson didn't do anything like that with Duncan.
Of course, I don't think Duncan could have pulled it off, but once again I don't know any actor who could. And to be honest, I was bothered more by Affleck's and Farrel's cheesy performances than anything Duncan did.
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...could hunt the Spiderman...in the city...a sort of reversed THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME...and it could be everything that PREDATOR 2 was not.
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I actually really dig Spectacular Spider-Man. I'm not crazy about the giant eyes, but once he gets in costume, I do really like the animation, and as far as story/characters/action goes its got me totally hooked. I really do think it has better acting than Tobey McGuire or the live action films.
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For suck sake, they won't cross him into the Spider Man realm simply because Marvel bought out their characters and made Marvel Knights. They didn't just make this production label to make a new Punisher movie alone, they plan on doing every Marvel Knights comic label into films. Ergo they want to try and make an R rated reboot of Daredevil with Kingpin and other foes. Crossing King Pin over to Spider Man would fuck up all their plans and confuse non-comic readers, with results of loss of profits.
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It's for sure Lizard and Carnage or both. The Doc still has the Symbiote specimen from S3, he tampers with it causing a complete and utter failure turning him slowly into the Lizard, where as it duplicates finding the host for Carnage.
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Since Doc Connors has appeared in the previous films it makes sense for them to do the Lizard now, but part of me hopes they don't because it would really just be repeating the same premise they have already done. Doc Ock in the SM2 essentially had the same role that the Lizard would have in being someone Parker knows who then becomes a villain due to a science accident and Spider-man has to face him while knowing that he is really his friend Dr. Connors. Doing that whole plot would seem a bit repetitive to me. Kraven on the other hand I am just not sure about. I'm not really a big Kraven fan and somehow I just think he would seem out of place in the movies, but then again it is Spider-Man. Kingpin though would to me provide something interesting in a villain that is very different from anything we have seen before. The problem with Kingpin however is the same problem that plagues Lex Luthor in Superman movies. How can one guy really pose a true threat to the superhuman hero? Honestly, I just hope the writers are smarter than me and can come up with a good way to use any of the villains left in the Spider-Man universe.
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If the villain wasn't created by Stan Lee and Ditko, or Stan Lee and John Romita, don't use them. The only exception to this is the Hobgoblin (but even he I would avoid because they have over done the Goblin route).
Don't ever, ever us Carnage. He is a horrible villain because he doesn't plot or have any goals besides killing. He is one dimensional as hell (and Venom is only slightly better). -
If so like the one I read in the comic book.
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A big fat mobster? Who cares?
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No matter what villain we ask for they'll fuck it up somehow. I love Sandman - they fucked him up and made him a good guy who feels remorse for his actions. Great, forget about a Sinister Six team up now.
In fact, maybe we should be asking for our least favorite villains if they do screw them up at least we won't care.
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Been there, done that.
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No, I don't want to see that.
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So much potential lost. I'll never forgive him for that.
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"Hey pal, you see that light at the end of the tunnel? That ain't heaven, it's the C train!" I don't think that guy can write a better line than that. Oh, and DD was the best Jennifer Garner has ever looked on film. The Worst? Elektra. So strange.
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. . . Dr. Michael Morbius and his undead legion of deadites?
I'm not hurt that nobody's written about how it's a great idea.
I'm hurt that nobody's written about how they hate the idea.
I mean, I can live without love if I at least get some hate.
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He's big, and tough as nails.
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Lizard & Kraven. Done. But I would like to see Spidey take out a B-lister in the first 15 minutes. I still don't get why that hasn't been done yet. Bring in Shocker or (BC's) Mysterio, have their punk ass taken out, then start crying.
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Gerard Butler as Kraven.
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Really cool Character. Make it so.
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Agreed. Shocker needs to be on the big screen.
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I could see him doing Kraven. "This is BROOOKLYN!"
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Yeah, that crazy quilted costume would look freaking sweet for real.
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you said "the double dipping of villains in the same movie like in 3. It hurt that film. It's what hurt the Batman films (pre-Bale), so much"
just pointing out the inaccuracy of this statement. 2 villains in Begins was great, and did you forget the 2 villains in Dark Knight too?
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yeah he looks pretty gay his big dome head and all but he could look different and just have the same powers of illusion. After all we do want Raimi to return to the psychedelia of Evil Dead 2, and a villain with the power to make you hallucinate/have visions (like scarecrow in Batman begins) is a fucking excellent idea me thinks to let Raimi unleash his craziness
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not much more to say, a villain that can shock/electrocute you.... next!
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Shocker would be more interesting but still not a great choice
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That's why you have one fight with Shocker at the beginning...he goes to jail and you never see him again. Or he could be a running gag where he pops up and Spidey kicks his ass in seconds, then goes about his business.
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This statement seems purposely vague!
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is a genius, that would be perfect casting
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Vulture-Ben Kingsley if serious, Larry David if funny Paste Pot Pete-Steve Buscemi Hydroman-Ty Burrel Jack O'Lantern/Hobgoblin(Jason Macendale)-Nathan Fillion Black Cat-Rosario Dawson Mysterio-Bruce Campbell Kraven-Gerard Butler Chamelion-Voiced by Sam Neill Shocker-Voiced by Jason Alexander Electro-Lee Tergesen Tombstone-Denzel Washington Hammerhead-Dolph Lundgren Scorpion-Thomas Jane Alastair Smythe-Crispin Glover I stole some of these, but there ya go.
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Plain and simple. If you're a true comic book fan and know your Spiderman essentials, then you would see all the hints of The Lizard and Carnage. I really don't understand why people only see The Lizard and not Carnage. They put Venom in S3 in order to ease in Carnage.
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People don't want to see Carnage in a Spider-Man movie because he's lame. He's a one-note knockoff of Venom, who's a pretty thin character to begin with. Raimi would never, NEVER, touch Carnage. He's got no motivation. That said, if they brought him in to kill MJ, I wouldn't be too upset.
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I had some pretty interesting casting choices. Just trying to start a dialogue.
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THAT would be old school.
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Forgot about him. Stephen Colbert for Molten Man!
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like they did with the honeymooners, except bring back cedric the entertainer as kingpin, maestro harrell as peter parker and beyonce as mary jane.
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Shave his head and I second that. I doubt he can get too physical, though. He looks even heavier than he did in O Brother Where Art Thou. But still, he's got the size and the voice so he would be seriously kickass. Also, whoever suggested Ian McShane for Kraven is dead on.
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Fuck it would be great if they could have Kingpin, and weave in Daredevil in 5 for the Sineater story.
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Spidey 4 should resurrect Venom and introduce Carnage. Venom can go through his whole moral struggle and eventually help Spidey defeat Carnage. Also, it'd be great to incorporate Black Cat into it this time around. And in terms of techno-babble to explain Venom's survival, it shouldn't be too hard. Say a small piece of the suit survived and since Venom and Brock are one and the same, if Venom survives and finds a way to reconstitute, the Brock personality does too. It's no more implausible an explanation than anything else in the Spidey universe.
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Just because I would fuck her doesn't make her pretty OR the right fit for MJ. And someone tell Tobey to quit playing Peter as a pussy. Peter Parker was never a pussy.
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didn't suck. Only the theatrical version did. Studio cut half and hour out of the thing and what we got was a 90-min milquetoast toy commercial. The director's cut is much better and addressed every problem I had with the movie I had seen in the theater. Also, Michael Clarke Duncan reprised his role as Kingpin in MTV's (thankfully) short-lived CGI Spider-Man cartoon. He rode around in a Limo that, for some inexplicable reason, had a flag with a picture of a hamburger on it.
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Michael Clarke Duncan did a good job in Daredevil, he should get the shot if the character is in Spider-Man 4.
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Mr.Duncan totally sold me as the Kingpin. He oozed control, but was capable of sudden violence. He was smug and sure, powerful even in silence, and pretty much encapsulated everything I feel about Fisk. So yeah, if they go that route, bring him back. But, you gotta have a DD cameo. Got to. And there's your reboot, right there.
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I can't fathom why nobody's jumping on the Morbius bandwagon!
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this is like giving batman back to shumacker. oh sure i hear what you're saying, "Raimi made Drag me to hell - he's still got it" shumacker went on to make phonebooth, one of the most underrated films of recent years
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Raimi should go a diffrent direction like they should have done with supercrap returns. As SR should have gone cosmic, S4 should go sci-fi. And I'm not talking about Doom from F4. After that, Spider-Man making a cameo in Avengers.
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Spiderman 3 was so bad I don't think I could handle another Spiderman movie.
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I don't understand how people can worship Evil Dead (esp. Evil Dead 2) and loathe Spider Man 3. It's the same kind of humor! The scene where Peter Park does that dancing shit is soooo Evil Dead 2 humor!
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and do an intro an fix all the crap from Spider Man 3
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MICHAEL CERA AS SPIDERMAN, JUDI DENCH AS MARY JANE, AND SETH ROGAN AS VENOM. PLUS AN APPEARANCE BY OZZY OSBOURNE AS NORMAN OSBOURNE
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Fans will never forgive Raimi for ruining Venom. I'm sorry Sam, I love you and I thought Drag Me to Hell was the most fun I've had at the movies since watching Grindhouse.
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Should have been kingpin and lizard in Spidey 3 though. Whatever, I stopped seeing these after 2, I probably won't see this if Raimi writes it himself.
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Would be fucking awesome.
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Bringing the Bada BOOM to Spider-Man.
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Should be in... they've already set it up.
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by that I mean someone who doesn't mean bad. A victim. Anybody else notice that about almost all the villians? Green Goblin - a victim of insanity brought on by the gas... Doc Ock a victim of the tentacles taking control... sandman trying to save his daughter... brock getting doused with the symbiote.... SERIOUSLY Spiderman needs a REAL VILLIAN. One that isn't suddenly at the end - "I'M SORRRRRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO!!!" Lame.
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by that I mean someone who doesn't mean bad. A victim. Anybody else notice that about almost all the villians? Green Goblin - a victim of insanity brought on by the gas... Doc Ock a victim of the tentacles taking control... sandman trying to save his daughter... brock getting doused with the symbiote.... SERIOUSLY Spiderman needs a REAL VILLIAN. One that isn't suddenly at the end - "I'M SORRRRRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO!!!" Lame.
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unless Ben Kingsley is available.
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This guy Damien
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MeiwLLZjDo
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where spidey the lizard and kraven will hug it out
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by the way no king please, he is a lousy villain and is only strong! has no skills besides that and i dont wanna see another criminal mastermind like lex luthor in superman returns, we had that enough already!
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Come on, Who's with me!?!
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That's my vote. James Gandolfini would make a great Wilson Fisk...or Thorne, in Batman's world.
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Jun 10, 2009 10:00:13 AM CDT
U forgot Beyonce as Wonder Woman for Christ Sakes, Wake up !
by paulyd30
How about Johnny Depp as Blade in Blade 4 ?
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and Zac Efron as Brother Voodoo
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Was anyone on that movie not telecasting their awareness of what they were doing? I kept expecting everyone to glance at the camera and wink. You guys think Duncan was a great Kingpin? The guy has the face of an ewok and you thought he was menacing enough?Character-wise, I must say I wouldn't know as I never read any comics with KP in em but I must admit to surprise about the reaction to this role and casting. He's supposed to be huge as in super-humanly huge as well as super-humanly strong too, right? Well, Duncan is a big dude to be sure but he looks like a doofus football player, a mutant ewok, not a menacing superhuman crime boss.And then...holy shit am I the only one tired of the mafia bullshit? Movie after movie..show after show..story after story. I'm all mafia'd out and anything that even hints of mafia just makes my eyes roll at this point. I'm sure I'm not the only one but holy shit come up with a different crime element than the mafia. How bout you just make some shit up? Even Russian mob or Yakuza is more interesting but not by much (well, Russian mob is more interesting as there hasn't been much about it movie wise lately). But please...no Italian mafia for at least 24 months.Even beyond casting or the 'ever-present-mafia' fatigue, if Raimi goes with this guy for the main badguy, he deserves the mediocrity of the results.Dylan Baker and Lizard is not only the best thing to do, to me they OWE it to Baker who's been there to setup it up since the beginning. This ain't Lando in Batman wanting to be Two-face in the sequel...this is a 3 movie setup (1st was by mention and then he was actually in the last 2 right?) and to not pay off on that is just ass.Kraven is another good idea I think but I'll always miss Goblin (not PowerRangers Goblin, the character from the comics) as I've always thought he was a kick ass villain. Now that we get sequel after sequel, can they not kill off theses major villains anymore?I still think Two-Face, for the most part, was totally wasted in TDK (for all of what, 20 minutes? 30?)...and such perfect casting too...wasted.But please...spare me the mafia broken record beating me over the head with guess what..yup, more mafia...I can't even watch Gandolfini now and the guy's got way more talent than just portraying a mafioso. Not that Hollywood would notice of course.
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Marvel “bought out” all the Marvel Knights and plans to turn them all into movies? Really? Is that why when they mapped out their entire film slate for the next 3+ years there are precisely zero MK movies? And Marvel plans to reboot Daredevil? What about the part where Fox still owns the rights and is toying with the idea of making another DD movie so those rights don’t expire?
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I'm with you there. Spider-Man has only had to fight scientists and photographers, for the most part. I'd like to see him go up against someone with TRAINING, like Kraven or Jason Macendale (Mercenary who became Hobgoblin). Someone who actually knows how to kick ass, and has experience doing it. That's a great advantage, even over someone more physically powerful.
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have no idea if it would really work, but in my mind, it seems like it should. That guy can get scary fuckin pissed on-camera when it's called for.
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Or am I just totally off my rocker?
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Oops. I think "Blad" is what a fat vampire with a lisp says...
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Now listen here. Some have said Carnage would be a boring character because there would be no motivation. Think about it, that would make him even more interesting. A killing machine, akin to a terminator. He would have to be the best cgi has to offer. Red and dripping goo. No conscience or reason. A killing, slaughtering demon. Make him nearly unstoppable. Have him kill MJ. They kind of wasted Venom in 3, but could make it up with Carnage. And Pg-13 can be pretty violent. Search your collective souls. We have had alot of villians who had good in them. It is time for pure evil incarnate.
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was dead fuckin ON. Just to recap that guy's thought: http://tinyurl.com/yrq36z http://tinyurl.com/57wt4b How can you argue with that, i ask ya?
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in the first 7 minutes. And replace her with that Winstead chick.
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Someone with experience in fighting and killing is what we need in a Spidey villain. No more mad scientists or evil photographers.
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I could see that. Pock marked motherfucker.
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right? "Grazie, senior."
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Zart.
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It's a 'Last Action Hero' reference. Get with it.
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it hadda be said
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