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An Update On What’s Doing With Season Four Of HEROES!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
With “Heroes” already hiring new actors for its fourth season, I thought I’d check in with the show’s best writer, Bryan Fuller, to see:
a) if he was promoted to showrunner, as many were hoping, or
b) if he had left “Heroes” entirely, as rumored, to join a new NBC Universal show (like, say, “Day One” or “Caprica”).
It turns out he’s continuing with the fourth season of “Heroes” as a consultant, the position he held in the first and third seasons as well. In addition, he relays, “I'm developing a couple of TV shows to pitch to [NBC Universal, where Fuller is under contract for the next year and a half] in the next month.”
Four already cast for season four:
* Ray Park (“The Phantom Menace,” “X-Men”), who may play a knife thrower with superpowers.
* Deannne Bray (“The L Word”), who may play a deaf girl with superpowers.
* Clearmalt heiress Madeline Zima (“Californication”), who may play Claire’s college roommate with superpowers.
* Robert Knepper (“Prison Break”), who may play a bad guy with superpowers.
Find all of Michael Ausiello’s Entertainment Weekly exclusive on the “Heroes” casting here.
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Just checking.
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Fuller was there for the final episode when they shit the bed, nothing can save this.
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Was he?
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...that everyone and their dog apparently has super fucking powers? I don't know what's harder to believe, that or that this show has a 4th season. Who watches this shit anymore?
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I wanted to do a first blook joke here...
and as for heroes... just let it die. please.
season 2 was painful. season 3 managed to top it in awfulness...
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I'd love to Californicate with her!Seriously though, why isn't Fuller captaining this ship. NBC fire Kring!!I'd rather PD season 3!!
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T-Bag in Heroes? Brilliant. Now if they can just work on the writing, I'll be looking forward to season four!
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I was typing in the dark. >_<
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(By the way, that ellipsis is meant to convey sarcasm.)
(Seriously, Fuller, you're fucked. Just sit with "Heroes" and wait until they make you showrunner. Don't waste our time with any more of your namby-pampy supernatural shit. Not enough people out there like those shows for them to matter. Your luck of being in charge of a popular, long-running show is much better if you just assume power on a series that has already proven itself ratings-proof, even when it sucks.) -
Cancel this joke of a show already!! A least maybe Hayden will go do Playboy after.
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Who would have thought...?
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when i stopped watching this show mid season 2, and read everyone say how bad it is makes me happy that I have made at least 1 good decision in my life
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hiyoh!!!
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It's sort of like Conan's "In the year 2000" segment or it's just the Heroes drinking game. Next season on Heroes...
Suresh delivers the worst voiceover narration in television history. Peter, Hiro, Claire & Sylar will continue to not take full advantage of their unstoppable, god-like powers. In the season premiere Hiro will discover something terrible will happen in the future and the cast will spend the entire season trying to preemptively save the day. Ali Lauder's character will die but a new character will be introduced that coincidentally enough looks just like her. Nathan will die in the season finale. Millions of lives will rest on Peter shooting the villain but he'll hesitate like a whiny bitch long enough for the villain to escape. Momma Petrelli will be mysterious (shh!) Noah Bennett will be mysterious (shh!)Suresh will join forces with the villain to do mad scientist-like research and then long after he's doomed millions of people will have a change of heart and join the heroes. Nathan will join forces with the villain and long after dooming millions of people, will have a change of heart and rejoin the heroes. Matt Parkman & Suresh will suddenly forget they left little Molly all alone at home over a year ago, will get arrested for letting her die due to neglect, and will be win the award for worst parental guardians EVER! The heroes will discover the last, last, last (this time they really mean it), last picture of the future that the dude from season one painted. Tired of being ignored, Claire's brother will turn to evil villainy just to get a little attention for once. After there's no one else left on the planet without superpowers, the writers will decide to give Muggles, the Bennett family dog his own reset button superpower. During sweaps, audiences will be shocked when Noah Bennett gets contacts. Characters will continue to behave completely arbitrarily based on the nothing but the whims of the show's writers and their desire to write lots of contrived dramatic tension between characters. -
that the suits at nbc havent shown him his walking papers? fuller shouldve been handed the show ill watch the epis that fuller writes....other than that, i couldnt care less
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good god, nothing is sadder than the sad sacks that take the time to come into a talkback for a show they claim to hate in order to regurgitate one of the boring, unfunny cliches about what they hate about Heroes.I don't watch Gossip Girl, so guess what I would do should a talkback for that appear? NOT READ IT.seriously, the show is still on the air. if it bothers you, write a god damn latter, and leave the rest of us who enjoy the show alone. it's getting pathetic.
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a bit maybe.Or if Knepper plays his character like T-Bag with superpowers.
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besides, who would even read my "god damn latter."I'll tell you what though... if I were given a choice of two shows for Bryan Fuller to be working on last season -- Pushing Daisies or Heroes -- I'd definitely pick the LATTER.One more thing... Heroes sucks.
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I usually blook over my posts for typos, but it's late.
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... for me to poop on.
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BUT! a Carnivale-esque storyline? color me intrigued, Ausellio, color me intrigued...
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be caught dead naked in a cupboard chewing an orange with rope around my balls then watch this shit
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Heroes stopped being good about 3 episodes before the end of season 1.
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the only reason why I will tune in again.
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Is there anybody on the TV show who DOESN'T have a super power?
Apart from HRG, just about everybody has a power. That'd be like if every character in Buffy had super strength or shit?
"If everybody is special, then nobody is"
What made the Scooby Gang interesting was that they were just normal. Granted, a couple of them got juiced up later on, but Buffy was still the Head Beeyotch In Charge. Having core characters who were basically mundane somehow made her seem that much more special and the show's action that much more intense.
With Heroes, EVERY FUCKING PERSON HAS POWERS. Even uber sidekick Ando got a Hadoken. That's just lame.
Is there nor freakin' Batman, Punisher, or Hawkeye in this world? There's something a little depressing in knowing that the show suggests that only whiny superhumans, mostly from the same families, can be heroes.
In the early years, what made Marvel comics so much more different than DC was that their characters were people first and heroic icons second. That still holds true, to an extent, today.
Heroes is taking the silver age DC approach to characterization. Powers first. Personality second.
I can honestly say that I'd never expect Heroes to tackle more human issues like alcoholism, spousal abuse, or suicide - all stories based around character.
Heroes isn't a show about character. It's about caricature.
I have no doubt that Robert Knepper will turn in another cool bad guy performance, quite possibly upstaging Zachary Quinto, but I'm quickly losing hope for Heroes as a show. There was a time where I'd say, "Okay. This is just a show that you have to turn your brain off to enjoy." Now, with so much bad storytelling and shameless plot holes, I'm having far more WTF moments.
What's also killing Heroes on a storytelling level? ... ... ... Volumes.
Comics are suffering from the same artificial story arc structure. This whole "made for trade" structure makes it so that epic stories are forced to finish in a certain number of issues. It also makes it so that some very, very simple stories are dragged out for a months.
Heroes needs to have their stories evolve and conclude naturally. Forced compression or decompression is just bad storytelling.
Plus, if we want to see some really kickass fights.... FIRE THE DEAD WEIGHT. Seriously. There are too many worthless characters on this show. Dump those actors and redirect that money toward VFX and fight choreography. I'm so fucking tired of the epic fights taking place off screen. Fire some of the increasingly worthless and annoying dingleberry actors like Ali Later or Masi Oka. Give us an actual superhuman slugfest that lasts more than 30 seconds.
Heroes will never have the equivalent of a full issue brawl thank to so many worthless actors and characters sucking money out of the budget. Just look at how bad the flying effects have gotten because of the money leeching dead weight.
Because a show about superhumans can't do anything super... just cancel the fucker. -
Wasn't interesting 30, 20, or even 10 years ago when Marvel lamely attempted to push the Circus of Crime.
L..A..M..E.. LAME. Cheer that, Claire. -
Heroes also really doesn't understand the concept of overlapping story arcs? There's no real story layering here.
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very well played mr kring. very well played indeed. this show will be cancelled in no time.
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And if so why is Mika a "Hero" then?
Whats the point in watching Heroes if they cant even be bother to tie up previous seasons storylines? What happened to Copycat?
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OMG!!!
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band together and form a united group after season 1. And they could fight a major supervillain a season after that. It would be better than this tiresome soap we have had to endure.
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That amazing teaser where we see someone saved after they fall from a bridge had me hoping this would be amazing. A real world inhabited by real people a few of which have amazing powers. Brilliant, I thought. It looked like 'Marvels'. By the end of season 1 I was pretty bored and season 2 was terrible. Everyone has a power. Real people, people ignorant of the supers just don't exist. No innocents are saved. There are no heroics.
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...I'm a cashier in an amusement park with super powers. Where is the love?
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You should probably check in with your mum, dad, sister, brother, niece, nephew, real dad, real mum, secret brother and employer as they probably all have superpowers as well.
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ITS BULLSHIT WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR CHUCK
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Lest us not forget Mr.Muggles is now IMMORTAL. He ate Claire's finger. His power will grow and evolve over time. I forsee him as a doggie version of The Brain. All due to the Pinky.
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They share the seasonal resets and continual deaths of directionless characters.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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the Shark, she's been jumped.
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Uh..... no. Comparing Heroes with Lost is like comparing The Hills and The Wire. Nothing in common.
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...more characters.
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I don't like the whole Nathan/Sylar thing, but T-Bag playing a Jim Jones villain is what the series needs. People have to come to the realization has really nothing minus their Thursday comedys and Law and Order to keep them a float even some of the Law and Orders are on the verge of cancellation. The Jay Leno show will probably tank after a fast start. Heroes is their number 2 or 3 show in the ratings that is why they are on TV. I am also so tired of this Bryan Fuller is the messiah talk. Pushing Daisies was stupid, but of course the net loves it, because AINC said so. It never had any hope lasting past two seasons. Heroes can go on forever as long as they keep a core of the cast and tell some good stories. Season 3 had a terrible middle part, but came back strong with Fugitives. NBC needs to stop listening to the bitching on the net and keep going.
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barely worth downloading
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Jun 05, 2009 7:39:55 AM CDT
I'm taking odds on when Sylar caps the Carnival Barker dude.
by pennsydeux
Five episodes into the season, and I'm betting the under.
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That's all. And hopefully this won't cut back on Zima's presence in Californication.
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...Cares?!!? I mean, REALLY!
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... you multiple-posting-to-the-point-of-annoyance homo... cut that sh*t out!
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I just found out Madeline Zima was the little daughter in that annoying Fran Drescher show The Nanny. So...conflicted...
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GIANT PIG!!!
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this seasons disposable characters
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...yeah, we used to get ripped, watch TV and laugh our asses off back in the 90's whenever The Nanny came on and the name "Madeline Zima" came up in the opening credits. To share a name with a clear-malt beverage... if she wasn't a child star, she would have gotten a beatdown everyday in public school. Now my mind is wandering... wonder if they make that sh*t anymore? They discontinued the clear Pepsi a long time ago, bet Zima (the beverage) suffered the same fate.
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I was thinking more like Bullseye. But I'm sure he will be closer to Smallville's Green Arrow (but with knives).
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JacksParasites> Freakin' hysterical! Love the post!
EvilWizardGlick> *slow clap* Well done, sir.
Reelheed> Exactly! It would be so simple to deliver on the original promise of the show. Yet, they've let us down at every turn.
Just cancel the show, and create a spin-off concentrating on Claire-Bear and a scooby gang of Heroes like Micah and Aqua-Boy or something. Concentrate on simple things and make Claire-Bear's Super Gang a fun show to watch, with more fighting and powers on display.
Otherwise, nobody gives a poop about a large group of characters with powers who only really talk about their powers, and talk about who has too much power, and talk about who needs his power removed, and talk about who should be stopped from using their power only to fail to stop said powerful character...and all the while the only power the characters actually consistently display is the power to BORE THE AUDIENCE!
Heroes had plenty of promise, and has failed to deliver three times now. Not even Buffy would have survived three seasons if they didn't produce an actual climax or reason for an entire season of waiting for something to happen, without anything actually happening!
And let's be honest...casting stunts have been used since the start of season 2 for this show. They've shown it's the only CHANGE they know how to do, and yet it rarely changes anything. Introducing too many new characters for short periods does not provide the progress needed to fix the problems with Heroes.
They need to be releasing publicity statements announcing NEW WRITERS, PRODUCERS and DIRECTORS in order to get me somewhat interested again. And even then, it would have to be somebody very special. Tim Kring and company have run out of time.
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cobbler's fuck
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Heroes should have become more like Wildcards. Where are the ugly Heroes and villains?
The problem was everyone combined to save the world, multiple times, then seemed never to be in contact again. At least a handful should have formed a consistent core group attempting to either recruit or neutralize the others.
Essentially that was what the company did. But they never had an ultimate goal a never again type motive.
I'm sick of disposable characters in Heroes and Lost. Why the fuck throw new actors in only to die a meaningless death before we could really bond with them.
I'm tired of continual revision on Heroes and lost. Isn't there anyone who can maintain continuity from first season to last? Each season of both becomes a cover your ass patchwork attempting to explain the new revised past, or simply ignore previous activities.
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Ratings would soar! Otherwise, I can imagine little else that could revive interest in this show.
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"You should probably check in with your mum, dad, sister, brother, niece, nephew, real dad, real mum, secret brother and employer as they probably all have superpowers as well."Brilliant. I imagine something like that had to be the original pitch for the show."See, but his brother is also secretly his father, and everybody who didn't have any reason to know each other the first time, they all end up knowing each other, and having super powers, and being the parents of everybody else, and also having been rounded up in Gitmo style camps back in the 60s, where everyone, it turns out, has a secret brother or sister, and they all have super powers, too. And though everybody has super powers, they'll almost never use them, and when they do it'll be, like, off screen or as a blip of future vision. George Takei! Malcolm McDowell! Ack! Phhthhht!"
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Actors bail, want more money, or become more trouble than they are worth, so they have to be cut. Its hard to do a long serial episodic show like Lost, because it may have sounded fun to Mr. Ekko when he started, but shit comes up, and he wants out ASAP, so . . . "What do we do guys?" - "Um, the smoke monster kills him!" - "Okee-dokee."Mysterious French woman wanted off the show. So, 'bam!' She shows up to get shot. Julia got a gig on 'V', Rose and Bernard were great characters for the 'stranded on the beach, waiting to be rescued, hey, damn this island is mysterious' part of the show, but there really wasn't any place for them when the time travel started. And it's hard to see that with perfect clarity when you are writing season one and season 4 is so far away.With Heroes, I think it's more about writer churn, and capricious, lazy writers.
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I understand the budget constraints of flying and stopping time and such, but Matt Parkman's power requires no real budget, and can still be super cool, judiciously applied. Super strength is also relatively easy--they did it all the time back in the days of The Six Million Dollar Man. Why they can't work around their budgets and have a guy like Matt constantly reading minds and taking control of people, I dunno. It's a cool power, and can be used to great dramatic effect. And involves almost zero additional effects.
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DO YOU HONEST TO FUCKING GOD THINK THAT ANYBODY IS GOING TO READ YOUR FUCKING PHD'S THAT YOU'VE POSTED. AND THAT'S NOT A QUESTION, YOU NONCES. FFS.
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Or the Shoveler? How about a guy whose superpower is that he can throw forks? This show has been dead to me since the first season crapped out its ending.
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There needs to be more muscular studs in this show. Would it kill the creators of this show to introduce a muscular hero who takes a lot of showers?
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The first season of this show sucked ass, also people. Go re-watch it. It was NEVER good. Broad, vapid entertainment for the huddled, bewildered masses.
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haha seriously, what's up with that?
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Haha! You're right, that's actually my super power. I write too damn much, email or otherwise. But I also really liked rsanta74's post too, so I don't mind long and well thought posts. Cheers!
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At least Robert Knepper will get paid though.
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Jun 05, 2009 12:33:25 PM CDT
I really loved watching Sylar fight the Petrellis last season.
by mitortilla
Oh, I forgot. They didn't show that.
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I was forgiving during the first season, and mostly enjoyed it. But like you, I felt the next steps would involve an actual Heroes team. The first season was about them coming together, and I was even forgiving about the lack of a final battle on-screen because it was just the beginning. But to pull that in the 3rd season finale was really ignorant, and somewhat disrespectful to the fans who had clearly voiced their concerns previously.
And I know many folks are still fans, and hate all this Heroes-bashing, so I'll mention some of the biggest positives. I think Sylar has pretty much been done to perfection. There aren't many villains who truly commit the kinds of heinous acts he has, yet you still cheer for him as a viewer. Plus, Quinto eats up the role to his credit. Sylar's response to Claire when she asked if he was going to eat his brain was brilliant! "Claire. That's disgusting."
I think in Heroes we all see the massive potential, and that's why so many TBers are so critical. I felt this season Noah Bennet at times looked like he could become a true badass character, with Punisher type awesomeness. I thought the introduction of Danko was great, mostly thanks to Zeljko Ivanek, but a solid character to build upon. Claire, Peter, Hiro, Parkman and even Mohinder could still be all sorts of geeky cool. It would have been fantastic to have Mohinder's appearance change forever, have him similar to Beast from X-men, and live with the regret of turning himself into a freak.
The promise has always been there, but like Claire...we're all just seeing a glimpse through the key hole of how f'n cool this show could be. That's what is so frustrating, to me anyway. -
Instant 200% improvement
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Sally, hit him with your disintegrater vision.
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Jun 05, 2009 1:40:31 PM CDT
I have quit Heroes and will replace it with another show...
by prof. pop-cult
I'm looking at catching up with Fringe and maybe checking out True Blood. I stuck through Heroes, and really defended it in its first season on these Talkbacks. But even I've given up. So I'm forcing myself to not watch the fourth season at all, and the most productive way I think to do this will be to start watching another, obviously better quality series.To those of you who have are disappointed with Heroes but feel trapped in a "battered relationship" with it, take my advice: Look into checking out another scripted drama series (particularly one that is only in its second or third season, so you can easily catch up) that you know would interest you, but for some reason you never made the effort to watch. Well, use not watching Heroes as your excuse and motivation to seek out other series.
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Oh god, I'm getting old, and a little creepy, apparently.
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such a wasted talent. He is too good for this craptacular show.
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that can shoot killer sperm and all the Heroes die...then he goes after the Genesis that thought..."let's keep it going one more year with the shitty plot line"! FUCK you NBC witless wonders of program
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And I, like other Heroes fans, don't get why people take the time to rip on the show so much in these threads that are actually important to the fans.
Go waste your time somewhere else. I was excited to get this update! -
Twist your nuts in a vice and spare future generations the agony of having to deal with your inbred progeny.
Dude, you're on AICN by choice not by force. If my "PHD" was too long for you to bother to read here's a a cool solution. Simply don't read it.
Me try use small word for the talking next speaky speak. O'tay?
@Spiceybiscuit: Didn't Seth Green come up with some disturbed, big dicked superhuman in his "Freshmen" limited series' before? LOL I swear. That would be the worst power. Kill you ladies. Avoid shorts. Fear the zipper. =) -
It's not that people come here to simply hate Heroes, or other shows/movies for that matter. It's that we see so much wasted potential, so many bad creative decisions, and such a distinct lack of direction.
Heroes could have been truly great. Instead, they chose to dwell on the one or two things that "clicked" with audiences in S1 and ran with it straight through S3. Just some examples:
- The Petrelli brothers as superhumans was cool. What do the creators do? Make everybody in the extended Petrelli family a superhuman.
- Hiro says "Ya Ta!" in one episode? Let's make him say it every other one now.
- People liked Sylar? Let's center the show around him.
- The idea of "the company" as a conspiracy plot was cool in S1. Let's make even more shadow organization in every season.
- Viewers like the super powered characters more? Let's make even the non-powered characters superhuman now.
It's stuff like that that's just blatant pandering.
On top of that, Heroes may be fun from time to time, but the writers make absolutely no effort in hiding their sources. You can see where Watchmen was ripped off. You can see Days of Future Past being liberally abused. You can only groan when they unapologetically steal from movies like The Fly.
Take on the amazing number of plot holes or deus ex machinas and you quickly reach a point where you have to scream.
Heroes can't be taken seriously as legitimate sci-fi or fantasy adventure simply because it doesn't make serious attempts. At best, it has become superhero junk food for the mass market.
It's not that people come here to hate Heroes. It's that they come here to ask questions like:
"Why won't somebody take control and focus the show?
"Why can't the writers keep things straight?"
"Where is the humanity?"
"Why can't we get a decent fight scene?"
ETC ETC ETC
There have just been so many mistakes made since the half-hearted S1 finale that people have to wonder if the show was more hype than actuality. Some stars burn brightly for years. This one went supernova in a period of months.
We're all just waiting and hoping that the show will either reclaim that S1 greatness or be put out its misery for meandering and limping along blindly. -
awesome post. definitely summed up a lot of the problems and things people disliked. While there are some plain "haters" there are a lot of people that are more annoyed with the show not reaching it's possible potential.
I like the show. I still watch it (on DVR....not Live like I used to when I was surprised and wanting more at the end of each episode). But when I watch it......I have the same mindset as when I watch MacGyver on DVD......it's entertaining and actually fun to laugh at sometimes. But it's not going to win any awards or make people think. It should be better than it is....but it's getting less and less likely that things will be great. -
TRUE STORY, THAT.
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...no justice in this world, I tell ya.
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Cancel this show. Okay?
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Y'know.... You never know. I gave up on hoping that Smallville wouldn't just be Buffy's Creek after S2. However, even if the show has long outstayed its welcome, this season has been shockingly unSmallville-like with all of the fan service. Putz still doesn't fly, but it's much better the years of Clark/Lana BS. Even the changes to Doomsday were enjoyable, for TV.
I'll only give up on Heroes when it's canceled. I just feel that the light at the end of the tunnel is getting further away each episode. It's a case of the tail wagging the dog. -
Hey, Pete. How have you been? Let's do lunch?
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Parkman, you bastard! You tampered with my mind!
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I had diarhhea last month! I had to shit all fuckin day! -
The Katrina arc reeked of rating bait. Yet it bore the most interesting character on the show ever (to me). Monica brought the perfect Peter Parker template to the table in such a twist that it didn't really feel like a rip-off. Teenager, parents gone, lives with aunt, struggling with dead-end job and minimum wage, etc. But most important was the wide-eyed sense of discovery and wonder of her new found abilities compleat with foreshadowing via the Copycat comic. Hers were the few exciting moments of season two.Please bring her back.
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WTF? We have those now. They work in placed called the Circus
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Hire Victoria Pratt, give here cat-like powers and make her eyes glow. This will improve the show by a factor of ten. A knife thrower will do the opposite unless he's played by that guy from the Naked Gun series. No not that guy, I meant Leslie Nelson.
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Only one man was born for this role and his name is Leslie Nelson.
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and im one of the people that rsanta74 was writing about.
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Jun 05, 2009 10:12:44 PM CDT
A fifth newbie is on board - daytime Emmy nominee Rachel Melvin
by pennsydeux
From Days of Our Lives, and she'll play Claire's 2nd roommate. http://tinyurl.com/l9mozu
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Looks like there'll be some actual acting on this show now. His work on Carnivale as Tommy Dolan and Prison Break as T-Bag were two of TV's greatest gifts of the last several years.
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... when a genre show does an episode about a traveling circus, it's as creatively doomed as when it does a show about the characters boxing (GALACTICA) or an episode about space miners/cowboys whose culture resembles or who have adopted the ways of cowboys.
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Give the show a moral center, first off - what is Peter trying to do? Is he setting out to save people? To hide? Peter's a fascinating character to me, but he's been living in a fog where we don't get the same idealistic medic we had earlier in the show. Set up the ticking clock -right- at the start - CLEARLY. You know why the first season rocked? We were TOLD right off the bat "Bad stuff is going to happen - like this, and this, and this ... and it WILL happen. Uh-oh." Likewise, LET THE CHARACTERS START TO BECOME FRIENDS - let Matt Parkman sit down in a bar and talk to Peter. Don't constantly keep the cast seperated. Make them form their own little Legion of Justice or whatever. I often think 9TH WONDERS could've turend out to show them all together - and somehow that didn't happen. Perhaps it was Hiro's fault when his future self intervened? KEEP IT SIMPLE. Time-travel is easy if you set up the idea that -nothing- can be changed. Use that.
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Jun 06, 2009 12:28:50 AM CDT
My friend just told me that Marlo from The Wire is/was on this s
by billypilgrimisunstuck
That makes me sad.
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Will this be the epic rematch of Throwdini vs Throwgali?
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Season 1 needed to be about the heroes discovering their powers and coing together to defeat a common enemy, that much they got right. Season 2 needed to be about the trials of them trying to forge a unified team out of the group that came together at the end and learn more about how to nurture their abilities. Season 3 should have been about the team having to confront other teams both rogue and sanctioned by foreign governments in an international power struggle. People should die and stay dead in this show, friendships and relationships should be forged and characters and their powers should develop beyond their initial state. Hiro for example has remained the same idiot for three seasons despite the first season showing a far more mature, intense and interesting future version of him with the sword trying to prevent the crisis they averted in season 1. And they need to stop using the same plot device to avert future disasters by reading a comic or painting by someone who can see the future when his eyes go white!
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I really don't know why they ditched her character and did nothing with her. Imagine an arc where she and Claire team up, on the run from the government, and living together in NYC, and taking care of kids and teens who have developed powers (including Mollie and Micah). It could have been a decent ripoff of Runaways. Claire would have been more cool in such a story arc scenario.This is simply another example of the utter lameness of the show's writing and production. Tim Kring and his writers may rip off comic book plots but they do a very lousy job of it.
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Don't post much because of my affliction. All of the criticisms are valid, but it is still an escape vehicle for mindless entertainment that is sorely lacking for the most part. The writers DO need to include some crazy, whacked out super power battles and include less angst. A little Sylar smackdown wouldn't hurt either. Lightning bolt farts, green laser snots, exploding mams, shit like that.
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That might make me start watching.
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Why do you want to cancel a show that me and my family love and that you do not even watch - and haven't watched for years? There a thousand other shows you can watch. Like Lost .. Lost is the most absurd, convulated nonsensical show I've ever seen -- it abuses the 'time travel' motif far more than Heroes ever did (and Heroes has wisely pulled back from it, unlike Lost) .. AND Heroes has discrete, half season tales. If you don't like one tale, there is the next one. They are independent stories .. unlike LOST, which is one long meandering mess .. in which the castaways just never get off the island you know they never will - because Gilligan keeps messing it up at the last minute. In other words, Heroes can easily be great next season, regardless of past stories, whereas LOST cannot be fixed without fixing every past episode, because it is one long story. Heroes is Star Trek as a set of mini-series. LOST is Twin Peaks, but without an end-game.
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... no one really gives a sh*t. HEROES died in it's 2nd season. 3 was a walking corpse. let it die.
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Reminiscent of the small minority that consistently bashed episodes of Deadwood and The Wire for having "convuluted" and
"nonsensical" plotlines. Just because some material is too dense to obtain a full comprehension from it from superficial viewings does not automatically make it lack quality. Moreover, just because something is fun, albeit fleeting, does not require it to have quality. Lastly, judging by your qualms about LOST, it is evidently apparent that you do not follow the show as closely as the show requires you to. And that is totally acceptable. Not your cup of tea. Not everyone has time to sit and think about cultural works, just like how most kids can barely sit down for 20 minutes to read a book. But to infer that Lost is a "mess" is just so off target. You come off as immaturely defensive. -
Yea, Heroes is still really amazing! The writing is brilliant! It may be one of the greatest shows on TV! It's almost as amazing as Army Wives and Jon and Kate Plus 8!!!
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Huh? Do you even watch LOST? If anything, LOST is actually well thought out and has a very impressive structure. The end "twist" was foreshadowed long in advance. Love it or hate it, the writers did a killer job with the last finale. And now that the show is 5 seasons in, it's blatantly obvious that the story was actually thought out and mapped several years in advance.
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I think we all know they'll just get killed off. New characters on Heroes is like new shows on network TV, they throw in more than they can ever renew and kill whichever ones you might happen to like. Bad enough they just throw in characters who don't serve any realy purpose. What the hell was the point of Swoozie Kurtz's cameo last season? Was she doing it as a favor? They coulda got anyone to do that. Frankly, I'm shocked it wasn't Grace Lee Whitney or some other Star Trek reference. As far as I'm concerned they haven't made good use of the characters they have--often killing them being the best escape. Is there any doubt that Kristen Bell's Elle had been totally ruined so that killing her off was all that was left? Far as I'm concerned, this show has earned the fans' derision. I'll watch out of habit, but only because everything else I watch has been cancelled. I'd trade Pushing Daisies for this thing in a heart beat.
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Hell yeah! Bring back the Pie-gang!
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stunt casting because he was so popular on PRISON BREAK. just like Kristen Bell. he'll have fuck all to do in this.
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Jun 07, 2009 11:25:24 PM CDT
We are talking about one of Cher's long-ago boytoys here...
by pennsydeux
So I'm not putting too much stock in Knepper's work.
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where the material doesn't matter, she'll make it work. I was aghast at the possibility of Sylar and Elle as a team. Then I watched the episode Bell eventually submitted for the Guest Drama Actress nomination, It's Coming. 50 minutes later, I was on board with Syelle.
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Jun 08, 2009 2:37:29 AM CDT
Unless Knepper's character is bad ass and kicks Sylar's..
by the founder
ASS, I don't care to see them waste an actor of his calibre with him being predictable and is eventually killed by Sylar(surprise) and he gets yet another superpower. Jeez can any of these phucking people that Sylar runs across actually fight?? It's so predictable.
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