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AVATAR machine is really beginning to come to life. Cameron at E3, Video Game shots!
Hey folks, Harry here... Well, it seems we've begun to turn the corner with AVATAR - Cameron is beginning to show up and talk about the film, give glimpses of the stylistic look, via the video game screen shots - and I think it is only a matter of time till we begin to get our first look at some finished shots from the film itself. And I hear footage will be shown at Comic Con. All those lucky virgin eye sockets will be popped I'm sure!
This is actually from the video game, but gives a good idea of what the movie will look like. Cameron was at a Ubisoft Press Conference to talk about the game. You can read our write-up here:
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But the best part? The press site let some new images slip. This universe is looking awesome.
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-Media Mike
IGN.com
And my friends at Joystiq at Kampbell Kid's behest sent me this:
5:20PM Guillemot introduces ... James Cameron! The crowd goes insane, of course. (There are nerds here, remember?)
5:21PM Cameron delves into some Avatar backstory: He wrote the first treatment over a decade ago, but was balked at by his special effects guys, Digital Domain. Now, with photorealistic CG being attainable, Cameron resurrected the project. The story takes place in 22nd century, with most of the action taking place on an earth-like planet, Pandora.
5:23PM The navi -- humanoid inhabitants of Pandora -- live among a myriad of alien creatures, some beautiful and some extremely dangerous. This is sounding a lot like Los Angeles, but with better draw distances.
5:25PM Jake Sully is the main character, who explores Pandora in an Avatar body. It allows him movement from a distance, even though he's really paralyzed. As he goes deeper into the Navi culture, "he ultimately has to choose sides" in a battle. Oh, which is the "mother of all battles," adds Cameron. Special effects extravaganza confirmed!
5:26PM December 18 is the film's release date. One would assume that Ubisoft's game adaptation will arrive at around the same time. "A fully immersive cinematic experience" is promised by Cameron, who! says it 's the biggest and toughest project he's ever done.
5:27PM Cameron met with Ubisoft in 2006. Ubisoft was pitching a title that was already in line with the spirit of the film, which filled him with confidence that he was choosing the right partner. Cameron's theory: "I didn't want anything associated with Avatar to suck."
5:29PM Cameron notes that the timing for typical game-movie transitions is too brief -- Avatar's game development started over two years ago, which he hopes will avoid that demonstrable problem usually suffered by film tie-ins.
5:31PM Ubisoft came up with a player's choice addition to the Avatar universe, allowing gamers to choose whether they would adopt a Navi perspective during certain events. Ubi is committed to make Avatar the first major stereoscopic 3-D title, adds Cameron. The initial demo blew him away, it seems.
5:32PM The world of the game is, in some ways, a richer version that you won't find in the film. "The perfect confluence between these two different media." Cameron adds, "Neither one is the red-headed stepchild of the other."
5:33PM "Ubisoft has done it." Cameron warns us to not play the demo during E3, however, because it might make us afraid. "It's pretty darn exciting."
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have been slightly fucked
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yea I said it.
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I hate to say it, I went to the UbiSoft presser mentioned in this article. While I was excited to hear what James Cameron said, he rattled on for WAY too long. It felt like it was a half hour or more. I'm interested in Avatar, but I could have done without him giving so much away. Even if they aren't technically spoilers, it did feel like it was a bit much.
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cool news. And it's legitimate news about Avatar. Not some article about a picture of a pile of boxes with the word "avatar" printed on them.
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WELCOME BACK TO LAND!!!!!!
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very excited.
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expect Avatar 2 where the bad guy becomes the hero, and is a huge hit way bigger than Avatar, then Cameron drops off to shoot Battle Angel while McMostow makes a comedy version called A3
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I know everyone is frothing at the mouth for more on this but the first 3 images are a bit boring but I do like the dropship vs dragons image. The problem with all these shots of ferns and creatures is that it reminds me of Ludas' obesssion with the ecology of star wars and those cheesey big thing getting eaten by even bigger thing scenes. Boring!
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before the movie?Gotta love how the game demo raped Cameron's eyes. hahaha4 years to make.....
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Cheated on my wife and wrote a script.
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(cue deep voice over) In the 21st Century... all human beings are equal... race... creed... color... gender... unity and respect for all...
...except the gingers.
"Neither one is the red-headed stepchild of the other." James Cameron. 2009.
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Being serious for a moment, as a film fan this looks exciting and different but as a video game fan this looks like 100 games i've seen before.
Maybe that tells something about how ahead of the curve video game designers/artists are but those screenshots could have ben from any number of games (Halo, Crysis, Far Cry, Haze, Metal Gear, etc, etc). Even the lead's name "Jake Sully" is a classic video game type character name. -
All the Avatar designs and screenshots look like they could come from any generic FPS console game such as the Xbox's 'Halo', or any other 'heavily-armed-space-marines-on-an-alien-planet' scenario game.
I suspect that the format of this film is what is new, not the actual content. What I mean by that is, the way the motion capture and the 3D visuals work, will be the slick new thing. But unfortunately the aliens, vehicles and environments and even the story will all be a bit disappointingly familiar, to all fans of sci-fi and computer games. -
I don't give a fucking fuck about concept art and Xbox BS... just give us a teaser trailer already, Jim. If he's gonna show footage at ComicCon, it can't be too far off.
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There was never nothing original in any game except perhaps for Silent Hill. All SF games have been raping Cameron and T2 and Terminator Future War for years.
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Why does a robot needs a handgun? Answer me that you logical GI Joe hating whores.
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Oh yeah, he did seem to go on and on and on. I think he was just nervous. Good thing someone posted notes as I had missed a few bits of what he said and couldn't go through it again on any of posted vids.
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why partner up with mattel then? why not mcfarlane or neca or hottoys even?
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Played Indigo Prohpecy? That was something different, though could say it was ripping off... well every thriller ever made. Most games in a given genre are nothing but clones of each other. That's why a game like Heavy Rain stands out, carving it's own genre.
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It's not really an alien planet. Just a really advanced computer game for paraplegics. When the hero dies at the end, he gets a "game over" screen which will be identical to the video game that YOU too can play.
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"there was never nothing" theplant
That actually means there was always something!
theplant, sorry man I got to tease you for saying there's never been anything original in video games. Ever. Oh, except some reason for Silent Hill. And even that's a 'perhaps' in your book. Riiiight. -
Deus-Ex was a great game, very original, and a plot line that seemed more and more relevant to today when you consider it came out pre 9-11.
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swines...
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I want to go in as spoiler-free as possible. I don't know if I'll be able to resist an HD trailer if one comes out, but I'm going to try!
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Seriously, those game wallpapers look reaaaaaally nice.Can't wait to see the first images from the movie!
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I have it from good sources that there's no way Avatar will be finished for a 2009 release. Maybe next summer. But it won't be out this year.
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Dunno what your "source" is but it looks like it aint reliable.
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i really wish cameron still not show us anything. it's still way too early to show us those images.
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or should I get contacts or lasik? My eyeballs are fucked.
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...In addition to SOLDIER at this point. Those rhino and bird-things have guns mounted on them, but no passengers.
I'm getting really fucking tired of space opera...what Hollywood thinks is bleeding edge is actually where literary SF was back in the Fifties and Sixties. State of the art CGI doesn't make a creaky old premise fresh.
Yeah, yeah...Navis are hapless Third World natives living in harmony with nature, humans are Americans. I'm a Leftist, I get it already. I'm paying for truly clever ideas, not a Goddamn lecture. -
I suspect that what we just saw is still just a small tip of the iceberg. If he really wanted to show us everything right before the movie opens then he would have shown the game, or premeired a trailer imho...
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Hopefully it is just the look of the game? I expect a photo-realistic look, not cartoons, when it comes to the movie.
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yeah i know, it's just 4 images. but from now on, i will do my best to stay as faaaaar away as possible from any related avatar news.
let's see how long that would last me.
and Media Messiah... it SAYS "video game shots!". i dont think you're messiah of any media if you cant tell the difference. -
...it seems that 'Avatar' will more likely be pressing against our eyeballs through its shorts. And even if Cameron does lop his dick out for a full on porking then he'll be wearing a bag over it. There's no raping here, thank goodness, and certainly no fucking. Just a gentle nudge.
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Mattel suck? I ask becos i havent collected or bought toys since I was a kid, so i simply know very little about toy companies...
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keeping away from all Avatar news..lol.
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Imagine this in live action, in 3D, in one of Cameron's masterful action sequences with a barnstorming James Horner score on top.
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copter vs those banshees look s pretty damn sweet. I also really like the mech armour with the secfor ground troops. As you say, add on a hopefully good score from Horner (as well as some cool sound effects), and Cameron's ability to stage, and frame action sequences, that could be seriously cool...
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i collect movie toys. nowadays these plastic thingie can be a thing of beauty. just google mcfarlane, neca, hot toys, sideshow products. some you can see advertised on this site. for a movie buff who cant afford to buy real movie props, these toys are good enough substitute.
except for mattel. they are stuck in the last decade with their quality.
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y use sideshow collectibles or Weta to make a more high quality figures, while Mattel would be for a general toyline? Perhaps like how hasbro (i think) did the aliens/predator toys while sideshow makes high quality ones?
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A lot of people tend to forget Cameron's brilliance at staging action sequences. I think we're in for something special here. Cameron gives 200% to all his flicks.
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Smells like the Matrix games.
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(and this is just my opinion), that the action sequences in Avatar are going to be something really special for the exact reason that you say. But I also think that because we have been so inundated with this shaky cam, fast mtv style cuts, and overuse of close ups in action scenes, that it will make Avatar's action scenes even better. Because we will be reminded how it should be done. No use of the aforementioned methods, properly framed action that has the geography clearly defined, the camera pulling back so that we can actually see whats going on, and action that is organic to the story. Action that drives the narrative forward, is an extension of emotion, or says someting about a character.
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clever enough to avoid the silly way the Wachowkis made it so that you had to see the animatrix, and play the games to get the whole story. Thats one of the things I did nt like about the matrix sequals, how you never quite knew why chracters like niobe were just popping up here and there, like there was some info, or story you had missed imho...
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you're right, sideshow is more high end. but there are also toys companies who can make great looking 7" toys. neca and mcfarlane did well with the alien and predator license. and they are in the same price range with the hasbor/mattel toys. and they just plain suck.
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The big AAA release video games typically take two, even three years to develop. However with film tie-in video games developers usually get dealt a bad hand - the film studios rarely give them what they need in the time that they need it in (footage, access to props, sets, etc) so they're left trying to knock a game together in 12 months or less. That's why they're usually a bit shit.
Cameron says here that presumably because of the long pre-production on AVATAR that Ubisoft have had a two year dev time on the game.
Of course it's still no guarantee that the game will be great, but at least it has a fighting chance.
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"And I think that he’s(cameron) trying to present this format in a way where it is a game-changer and in seeing it I think it’s the future."
"I think AVATAR is going to be the kind of movie that’s an event that you have to go see and you want to see again just to understand what you’re looking at. And then you still have his very effective storytelling. He really creates an adventure and draws you into it in the hero’s journey sense of storytelling, the Joseph Campbell sense of storytelling. I really liked the bits that I saw and I saw all the various stages of finished, but he’s a purist in the way he approaches things, and he’s very meticulous."
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"I've seen some stuff and holy sh*t. It's the craziest sh*t ever. That could negate everything I just said,"
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Anyway...have you seen Danny Boyle's comments Cloudrider?
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anticipated movie, and that he believes that Cameron's movies and Pixar's movies are the gold standard in genre filmaking..
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That 'Avatar won't have guns' guy from the previous AVATAR talkback - if you're reading this, you know who you are dude - needs to take a look at screenshot 3. YOU WAS WRONG BOY.
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You're absolutely right. Of course, Cameron may now blindside us and present us with a blaze of rapid-edit MTV cuts! But somehow I doubt it. Cameron understands classical cinematic storytelling. Some poster on another forum said "James Cameron returns to remind us all of what we have been missing." I thought this was a good way of putting it.
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i read it, but couldnt find it now anywhere. i read a glowing comment by aronofsky also. damn... where are all those quotes now?
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not sure i like the look of the world or the creatures. one of those screens looked like it could be from Jurassic Park 4. I love the vehicle designs in Aliens, but rehashing them here is also a bit strange... dunno
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Jun 02, 2009 6:37:39 AM CDT
i'm wondfering when the Shutter island machine is coming to life
by windowlicker74
isn't that movie due for october?
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"There's so many more movies being made that the burn rate is faster and ... things don't stick culturally. They don't stick the way they used to. When people made "Chinatown" that sort of lodged itself into people's consciousness and never went away and I don't know that movies function that way anymore just because of the volume of stuff that's coming at people. You just don't have those kind of benchmarks anymore. There's a benchmark every six days it feels like.
"I mean, it doesn't hurt my life, but it's frustrating to think that, like I said, even movies that hit don't have the kind of influence that "The Godfather" had. Like the equivalent big box office hit, it becomes a big box office hit and people talk about the fact that it made all this money, but it doesn't have this cultural impact of something like "The Godfather." Although "Avatar"... Holy sh*t."
ComingSoon.net: Have you actually seen some stuff?
"I've seen some stuff. It's the craziest sh*t ever."
CS: Wow, that's a big recommendation.
"Yeah, that could just negate everything I just said."
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fuck this eyeball fucking
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they've never been a "collectibles" company, they make toys plain and simple. so of course all their movie related stuff will look and be cheap. its meant for little kids to play with, not to sit on a shelf as some sorta artistic piece. all those other companies people mentioned like neca and mcfarlane, they're in the business of making collectibles, memoribilia. so they put more effort, more time and more detail. besides i'm sure someone like sideshow is bound to release proper figures around the time the movie is released. i mean look at T4, you have the cheap toys for the kiddies and then the stuff for the adults from sideshow etc.
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I can not wait!!!
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Personally I didn't think he talked long enough. He's such a fucking nerd and I could listen to him talk about alien landscapes for hours.
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This looks like Halo! Stupid militaristic 'Aliens' rip-off's for the humans, and glowy blue Aliens...Cameron has no imagination.
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dude, at the end of the day Cameron is just a big nerd..
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...(though bungie may have "borrowed" from Iain M. Banks) and that these just look that way cus it's for the game. At this point I think Avatar will be in a similar mold to Titanic - fucking astonishing technical wizadry but wooden dialogue and performances, though without the Leo/Tragic Love story factor I'd be surprised if it's as successful.
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Yeah, look up three posts.
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Games based on movies...and, perhaps more importantly, movies based on games,...do NOT have to suck.
And I can't help but get overly hyped for this flick. Cameron has been my favorite movie director since ALIENS. It will be...THE...freakin' holiday of holidays, for me! -
I'll be first in line when after all those years the most visionary director of them all will return and deliver his new masterpiece. The movie he has been working on for sooo long. With the best technology ever. The movie that will change the industry, that will redefine how to make movies. The movie that will be unlike anything we've ever seen before. Except the director's earlier masterpieces maybe.
The Phantom Menace will be fucking our eyeballs in 1999! Nohing else matters!
Muahahahaha! I smell a flaming turd. And you will get new screen names and will have known from the beginning that Avatar was always going to suck. And that James Cameron was a talentless hack. Just look at that True Lies nonsense and that cheesy as hell Titanic movie. -
I mean just because John Favreau, Steven Soderbergh, Ridley Scott, Steven Spielberg, Danny Boyle, Peter Jackson, and Darren Aronofsky are all going ape-shit over what they've seen, it doesn't really mean anything. I mean, have **those** guys made ever made anything good?
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opinion dude, but like mine thats all it is. However, I smell a huge success, would you care to make a gentlemans bet on that?
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see you back on the talkbacks. Yeah dude its not really worth getting into, some people have serious personal issues with Cameron, so they just know it will suck lol. Look I know im really optimistic about it, but I still realize I could be wrong. However I will give Cameron the benefit of the doubt based on his past track record, and the fact that so many respected and talented filakers are truly excited by what they have seen.
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"Muahahahaha! I smell a flaming turd. And you will get new screen names and will have known from the beginning that Avatar was always going to suck. And that James Cameron was a talentless hack. Just look at that True Lies nonsense and that cheesy as hell Titanic movie."
And then he goes back to spanking his dorkmeat, watching his downloaded copy of Paul Blart: Mall Cop for the 5th time this week, content in the knowledge he'd never watch anything as stupid as the 10-time Oscar winning, most successful film of all time.
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I predict HUGE disappointment on a 'Phantom Menace' scale.
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about the toys dude....
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...Or is it the afternoon where you are, my friend?
Yeah, I personally don't get how anyone could call themselves a fan of genre films and then call one of their greatest creators ever a "talentless hack." That's like saying you love basketball, but hate all those incompetent flashes-in-the-pan like Michael Jordan.
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we would have to be delusional to think otherwise. But Cameron has a history of confounding expectations. Look whatever you or I may think of Titanic, the simple fact is that Cameron did the impossible with that film. He made a modern day Gone with the Wind, a movie that old and young, male and female went to go see, and not only that but they went to go see it again and again. Even though everyone thought he was out of his mind. But who had the last laugh dude? So for me personally, if there is any director making sci-fi action movies that can pull this off, its Cameron...
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...yeah I agree with you, but many film geeks/fanboys are very bitter/burnt out/ etc..Or as I said they just have their own peculiar personal issues with Cameron....Or maybe there are just a lot of arthouse film fans on aicn talkbacks...i dunno...
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...to get stuck in a loudmouth-off at this time. Going to bed now. See ya, SAG. (& See ya Kwis, if you're out there.)
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stills Lightstormer? The designs and things are looking pretty damn cool to me, and thats just from the computer game. Cant wait to see it in photoreal effects...
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Painstakingly analysing every single tidbit of info, declaring it the 2nd coming before a single frame of film has been shown, assumptions made based on things briefly glimpsed in toy catalogues and video game tie-ins, followed by a geekgasm at the first trailer. This has happened before, and it was called The Phantom Menace.
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now too, see ya dude...
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, i ve been on my best behaviour. Im making it clear that everything im saying is purely my opinion dude. Not attacking anyone for theirs...
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. . . with 'splodey guns. Wow factor diminishing.
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This movie is more than a movie. It's the next step in human evolution. 5 people died of shock from just watching a 1 minute clip from Avatar. You guys really have no idea yet what you will witness when you watch Avatar. It'll be like witnessing the creation of Life!!!
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that interest me, so sue me im not cynical about film, I want to at least give something a chance, and go in wanting to like it...
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Nothing against a gentleman's bet, only I can't bet against you in this case. I have no doubt that Avatar will be a huge success. It can still be a flaming turd though. Just like Phantom Menace. It all comes down to that damned movie. I see the hype and think I've sen all this before. More. I lived it.
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One night after he punched his wife in the face, he had this really cool idea for a first person Avatard game. He said it was going to be a hit.
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Bullshit. ***SPOILERS*** Its a video game. The entire plot of the story, the characters, the fights, the "drama", its all a video game. Thus the title "AVATAR". It'll basically be an ending similar to "It was all a dream". Personally I believe it won't make a difference to the Kool-Aid drinkers who'll support this movie and technology no matter what. They'll say its "classic storytelling". That Cameron is commenting on the digital 3-D age while also "revolutionizing it". It'll look like a three-hour long video game ..."but, but, its SUPPOSED to look like that!"...
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So maybe Avatar won't be Phantom Menace Episode II. But why? For me it bears all the signs of history repeating itself.
Director: long time no see. Check.
Maker of fan favorite masterpieces. Check.
Working on this on for ages. Check.
Embracing new techologies big time. Check.
Better aliens than ever. Meesa sayn dis check..
Other directors saying "holy shit". Check.
"Of course it also has great storytelling." Yeah, right. Check.
Fanboys sure this will be the greatest movie ever ever ever. Check, double check and triple check.
Just why are you all so sure this time the goods will be delivered? Cameron made some good films in the past, but I wouldn't call all of them masterpieces. And he seems like a good candidate for being overly obsessed with his new toys.
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I had high hopes for this picture but all the "new" tech and gloss can't cover up the fact that at its core, this will be nothing more than an attempt to get people back into theaters. This whole new 3D crap. The story of a soldier wanting to be back in action so bad he chooses to inhabit an alien body to begin invasion, in fact making us the aliens is a good story to tell. It kind of gets to the core of what it truly means to be human but unfortunately this is really beginning to look like that new King Kong meets Halo which is sad. The game even looks like a cross between Halo and the King Kong movie tie-in game that came out. Its beginning to become clearer to me that the old methods of telling stories are becoming exactly that.....old.
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through TPM experiance. Yeah, I hear ya man. Fair enough, being skeptical is perhaps a healthy thing. But as you say Jackson did it with LOTR, so we all know its possible. And imho Cameron is clever enough (hell I would argue that he is one of the smartest directors in Hollywood) to have taken notes as to what has and has nt worked in the last few years judging by his comments...I dont know Barbossa I just cant see Cameron having lost all his skill, instinct, and mind like Lucas has....
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Avatar looks average still so far, however theres a little boy called milo along with MS project natal that blew me away. when i saw the video for milo my jaw dropped
check it out as peter molyneux says we are doing what even movie makers cannot dream of...
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in mind that its computer game stills you are looking at, thus they give no indication of story. I have read the old scriptment dude, and based on that if nothing else I can tel you that there is a lot of thematic material and ideas in the story, and there actually is a story. A story that has the potential to be quite good depending on how its done...
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other important differences between Cameron and Lucas, one of the most important is that Cameron clearly loves making movies, and he clearly loves sci-fi. Unlike Lucas who seems super miserable about making films, and in the PT docs seems to almost have resentment for Star Wars imho...
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"James Cameron is a talentless hack" - Congratulations on the stupidest thing ever posted on AICN. I mean there have been some really stupid things posted on here but you just took the biscuit. Congrats.
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Hey man, good to see you back.
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is that all the concept art and game stills come straight out of the old scriptment, I recognize everything Im seeing based on their descriptions in said old scriptment. But whats interesting is that Cameron wrote the damn thing in 1995! Waaayy before Halo was even close to existing....
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are very different people. There is no way Avatar will be Phantom Menace too. Lucas pitched Menace way too young, that was the key flaw. Kids don't like to watch kids as their hero, they like to watch someone a little older they can look up to. If Cameron had cast a ten year old as his lead in Avatar I might be worried. But he hasn't.
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if there's not a serious, convincing set of characters and drama - that never sinks to melodrama. That's the most essential element of all..
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people would look up the meaning of "hack". Look even if you really just dislike Cameron's movies (if thats your taste, more power to you) fine, but its a simple fact that he isnt a "hack" because he does nt fit the damn definition. He would be considered an autuer (shit I hope thats the right spelling)...
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Right. At the very least Cameron would be called a talented filmmaker. To say he is a hack is moronic. Oh well, it is AICN after all.
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Looks like this is going to be awesome! I love how the brightly colored and lively fauna contrasts with the dull and deadly-looking human tech....
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really as different as two guys could be I guess...
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At the very least they will get fingered. This is looking fucking LUSH. But Hendrick's with cucumber will still be fucking your tasebuds in 2009.
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No drama, I meant rudeboy as in Jamaican street slang patois, as with the use of the phrase "Calm Yourself".
If he manages to get as many repeat customers as he did with Titanic, and cross the gender/age gap like he did with Titanic (but with Sci-Fi this will be harder) then crow will be eaten by many and Cameron can be safely crowned The Lord and Saviour of all Filmakers, casting Tom Rothman out of Hollywood Heaven and into the underworld (Sacramento) forever.
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colourful it is too. Really cant wait to see some footage of the movie....
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Makes no sense to me.
I dunno if the story's gonna be any good or not. I hated Titanic, but then again I have a y-chromosome. I also wasn't a fan of True Lies.
Now, to be fair to the doubters, what has been missing from the scraps we've seen so far is "the hook". What is the thematic focal point that grabs and twists the audience's genitals?
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Sounds like Comic-Con's going to be quite an experience this year!
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If he's not in it, that would be a major deal-breaker for me!
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trick right? How to make something this sci-fi, and have it appeal to everyone. Will be very interesting to see...
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Every time I watch that movie I catch something that I hadn't noticed before.
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dude, then you may have your answer...
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love to see Biehn work with Cameron again. Am still hoping he may be in Avatar...
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lucky SOBs that get to go this year....
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I'm surprised we haven't seen too much on this project being that it's supposed to be THE major release of the year. There should have been at least two fleeting glimpse teaser trailers for this film (especially in front of 3-D releases) to get people primed just for the notion of this movie's existence.
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You get a No-Prize for that one.
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If Big Jim's Comic Con presentation turns out to be the first real revelation of what all the noted marquee directors have hinted at, then we will see the beginning of the TRUE hype and salivation for this movie.Those game images are pretty cool (despite feeling a bit HALO-esque). But I, for one, can't wait to see something from the actual film and get a gander at what all the hubbub is about.
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Can never have enough of those.
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Get a Roger Dean, 80's airbrushed sci-fi vibe from this?
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calling Cameron a hack AND comparing this to The Phantom Menace. GIMME A FUCKING BREAK. LOL
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may suck balls, but it won't suck the copious amount of balls The Phantom Menace did. I guaranFUCKINGtee that shit.
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Those video game stills aren't jilting my interest but they aren't helping it either. I have been following his (Cameron) inventions and process of this film for a while now. The guy is a master of his craft but in general, the fake IMAX screens, the "new" 3D, the movie cash in games, etc... all of this is not going to work anymore. You want people in seats, you need to provide a genuine unique experience. If you gave an audience a movie that they could see 5 times and still not be the same movie twice, think American Idol meets "Choose Your Own Adventure" books, I think you would have a rise in ticket sales. This is not a new idea but it has never been seen by Hollywood as commercially viable (i.e. how could they sell that on iTunes or a Bluray disc). They toss away money at date flicks left and right and hope to break even. I say take a chance and find a new way to tell stories. The problem isn't the art, its the medium.
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With all the talk of the planet looking "so alien" and "like nothing we've seen before" I'm disappointed by how terrestrial it looks. More like prehistoric Earth than an alien planet.
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. . . highly coveted than an Oscar.
People have been known to bake their own spleen into a cake in their attempt to earn a No-Prize.
I dunno why they would think that would be a good idea though. Fuckin' gross if you ask me.
In the end, they didn't even get their No-Prize.THAT'S JUST HOW ELITE A NO-PRIZE REALLY IS!!!
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Jun 02, 2009 10:28:24 AM CDT
SET PHASERS ON FUCKING. TARGET THOSE EYEBALLS AND FIRE!!!!
by bringingsexyback
Hey those pics look good.
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The only strange and dangerous creatures in LA are the losers and sicko-phants that migrate here from everywhere else thinking that they are going to make it big. Well they don't, and they are welcome to go home anytime.
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If it's a cultural or financial success (although I suspect it will be)... I simply know that this movie is going to blow me away, it's exactly what I'm into... and JC... oh my!!!
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Jun 02, 2009 10:43:35 AM CDT
But Halo ripped off Aliens which ripped of StarShip Troopers(the
by manzilla
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you're my new best friend for reading Banks.
Oh and check out my trailer focksticks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN06-LzHGnU
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...and paralyzed in the 22nd century? looks like this movie will take a pretty major suspension of disbelief...
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I don't know, man. Don't be surprised if this gets bumped to the summer, like Star Trek.
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Yep, those stills look great - especially that aerial battle, with the blue banshees. Just imagine how vertiginous that'll be in 3D. And the purple forest at night! This is just the crest of the wave, it really is.Could really do without the morons though,but I'll guess we'll have to put up with that more and more through the coming months. Like that fucking idiot Tophat, who apparently STILL thinks Avatar is a matrix-like virtual story. Who are these fucking idiots who know NOTHING about this film, and yet seem to be the loudest voices in the room, teliing those of us who actually do have an idea what we're talking about that we're all 'kool-aid drinkers' or whatever? Inbreds! Wonder when TITBAG will show up?
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...with heavy Halo inspirations, mechs akin to what we've seen before and 'alien dinosaurs' that don't really look much different than the ones found here except in color. I'm still unexcited about this film. I hope it's better than I suspect it's going to be (I'm a member of that crowd that felt T2 was overrated and hated every minute of The Abyss).
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believe it or not, I am excited about this project. I sincerely hope that Avatar forces me to offer my most sincere apologies and props to Cameron and all of you who worship him.
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I'm at work. I'll check it out when I get home.
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Jun 02, 2009 11:54:24 AM CDT
Laser--who are you and what did you do with old laser?
by six demon bag
im excited to see you excited.
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I realized over the course of our Flame War that I was being a troll and a jerk. I still don't like T2, but there's no need for me to say it over and over again.
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would like to see moving images though..that would be a good sign for me.
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welcome back to our side, laser. :)
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what the fuck is going on here???? do i smell peace in the air?
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What is going on in this talkback? Dogs and Cats sleeping together, mass hysteria.
On a serious note, I feel this may be a watershed moment in geekdom. If Cameron's new film is widely considered to be a failure, I think fanboys will reach a new level of cynicism that can never be cured. This after perceived missteps by Lucas and Spielberg would be the last straw. However, if Avatar is thought to be the second coming, a perfect blending of 30's sci-fi and anime, then Cameron will truly and unequivocally be one of cinema's greats. -
cameron is attempting to create a real possible alien world. you may think that since it's alien, that it may look the complete opposite of ours. but what if they're not, not really.
i've seen a show on discovery channel where physicist,biologist, naturalist all imagine life on exotic planets based on their environmental condition. and they're just variations of earth. -
Here, let me help. T2: NEE NUB NOOOO WOBODADA!!! WOOPSY I PWOGWAM MY WOBOT NOT TO KILL!!! MY WOBODADA GOOD!!
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j/k ...
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I get it..
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Yeah, dude, lets bury the hatchet. I took the trolling too far and would like to move on.
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With no lube and chapped hands. SNOOZE.
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Welcome to the Cameron-worship thread. You know you love it ;)
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There's a crowd that hated every minute of The Abyss? Wow. Wouldn't want to be stuck at a dinner party with them.
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I credit Obama.
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Did a korean action movie, dont remember the one, but from the pics i saw, he looks bad ass, in a Hicks kinda way.
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Look it up: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446313/
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mark my words. We haven't heard the last of 'wobodaddy', that's for sure.imagin78, if such a 'fandom' situation occurs, I'm checking out for good. The negativity around here is a pain in the ass sometimes. For 6 years, we had to endure lucas raped my childhood nonsense - those fuckers almost ruined things as far as I'm concerned. If it happened again - Cameron throat-fucked my adolescence or something - then it would just be a waste of time discussing things here. But that won't happen - Cameron will deliver, I'm quite sure of it. I know it'll be a great movie, and likely a huge success, but I wonder what'll happen if its another Blade Runner/The Abyss/ Strange Days situation - excellent film that, for whatever reason, doesn't do financially very well. That would be even more disenheartening than a bad movie (which you're highly unlikely to get with JC).
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Jun 02, 2009 1:05:08 PM CDT
This is his Episode 3, Revolutions and 2005 Kong combined
by performingmonkey
i.e. BUCKLE THE FUCK UP!!!! Strap yourselves in for the biggest letdown of all-time, albeit a visually insane letdown. It's just gonna be game cutscenes with actors looking bewildered at tennis balls. If that floats your boat good luck to you. I hope I'm wrong, but how COULD this go any other way??
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Cameron haters would more likely say he eye-fucked their childhood.
I doubt this will fall into the Blade Runner/Strange Days trap. Those films, while great, were far darker and not really mainstream. Avatar will be flashier and more in the vein of Star Wars. I think regardless of how it is received, Avatar will be a big hit. It is the fanboys that worry me more. -
Exactly what I'm talking about! (Monkey boy, I mean)
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Jun 02, 2009 1:14:59 PM CDT
And don't give me that 'photorealistic CGI' bullshit
by performingmonkey
People are just used to CG now, that's why they think it's 'photorealistic', they don't know anything else. Cameron and WETA Digital have had a difficult job trying to take things to the next level but the FACT is it's not possible. It's CGI, it's always gonna look like CGI. That is all.
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Yes, Avatar stands a good chance of being wildly popular - its big, mythological sci-fi space opera, with a hard science underpinning. It won't alienate the public like pure hard sci-fi. As for fanboys - well, it could go either way - we do, after all, have people on this site bashing Aliens and T2! (in between crack hits, of course)performing monkey - bullshit. You would know its not possible would you? Visual effects whizz, are you? Its ENTIRELY POSSIBLE (with enough time and effort), as anyone who has studied the field will know. They will cross the uncanny valley, and then some. Too many unqualified mouth pieces here - prepare for eggs on faces.
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for the serious fucking they're about to receive from James Cameron's Avatar
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look out.
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I still LOATHE T2, and I still think that Cameron is overrated, BUT he did make ALIENS which is one of my all time favorite movies of all time. I just realized that my trolling was getting stupid. It was funny at first, and then dumb. As far as Avatar is concerned, I'm not seeing anything thats terribly original, but I'm still curious about it and intrigued by it. I'd call myself guardedly optimistic.
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http://tinyurl.com/6745dj
I think the Emily clip shows that the Uncanny Valley is very close to getting crossed.
Cameron is very deft at making his situations feel plausible and authentic without it turning into a science lecture. It is the entertainment first for him, then make sure it is backed up with hard science.
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Come forward and admit it, whoever you are.
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I just dont get the people who come to this site - obviously because they have a passion for film - and immediately put down such an exciting project like this based on nothing. It just baffles me, cause you would think fans would be excited by a new film from one of the most legendary directors, especially one going back to his sci-fi roots after years else where, and also with supposedly groundbreaking effects and 3D. Sure it turn out to be dull, but why on earth would anyone wish it to be? And even if it is, you have to respect that at least it's trying something original. People have such an agenda against Cameron it's mental..
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a talentless hack. Not really. Or maybe I did, if you take me too literally.
My point was that that is exactly what he'll be called if Avatar is a disappointment. Especially in this region of the internet. There isn't much room for _mild_ disappointmed on AICN. If the movie fails to live up to the insanely high expectations poor James will be bashed without ending. The WEBFs (WannabeEyeBallFuckeds) are going to turn into furious haters. And if you want to bash Cameron then films like Titanic, True Lies and even T2 will provide you with lots of ammo. You know that's how haters' brains work.
I'm no hater, btw, I think that's a waste of time. Ok, I kinda hate George Lucas these days, but that doesn't count. I just don't care about movies like X3 or Wolverine. Salvation I have not seen yet. And I boldly state that I utterly enjoyed Bayformers and J.J. Trek.
I'll happily admit I was wrong, if I'm wrong. But I just have that feeling James Cameron has a big bashing coming his way. Maybe he'll be granted a few weeks happy-time when the movie opens, but after that the crows will mercilessly feast on Avatars flaws.
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we've been at each other's throats for months...MONTHS! we're cool now. performingmonkey and Underoos Hero are my bitches now. be nice guys.
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God, teenagers shouldn't be allowed to post.
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Hmm.....with the latest lingo constantly evolving I'm not sure if being someone's bitch is cool now or not.
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yeah you really are jumping the gun on this one...cameron cant be hanging out ot the bottom of the ocean and come back and make an ok film. IT NEEDS TO BE BIG!!!! the fans say. otherwise hes a hack. a disappointment. his film will flop. and just to be clear, he has always made films without compromise and on his terms. damn the consequences or audiences. the abyss shows that in time, people will come around to good flicks--restoring 30 minutes does help the proceedings too.why do i sound like Cameron's biggest fanboy all the time??? simply, hes never let me down. im sure someday he will and i think he knows it, which is why he's deft at underplaying his hand. bravo.
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im not sure either
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need i remind you that this is the man who made TITANIC. regardless of what you think about it, it is STILL the highest grosser of all time and won numerous academy awards, not really the "failure' or "flop" people were expecting in 1997. i think Cameron knows some people will be expecting too much, which is why he is underplaying his hand. bravo.
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I'll forearm a kid in his throat from his bicycle here in my neighborhood and ask him. **turns off monitor, puts vaseline on forearm and proceeds outside**
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...when my wife needs a good ass whippin'. Just sayin.
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Jun 02, 2009 2:30:44 PM CDT
I'm calling for mods here, please can we ban all the punching wi
by theplant
Come on, this is the only place where people accuse Cameron of being a wife beater. Until evidence is shown that is libellous, please ban those ips or delete their posts. Anyone agree ?
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please mods ACT FOR ONCE
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...need to go to pandora and get eaten by some random cgi thing. maybe a deadly meat eating plant.
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hahahah.....Really? MOOOM!!! Tell Brian to give me my ball back!!! MOOOM!!! Give me a fucking break! Go wet your bed.
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Well said. People who liked The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss and Terminator 2 are excited for Cameron's return. Those who didn't have McG, JJ and Bayhem to entertain them.
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However the graphics look very nice. I'm more excited about the other e3 games upcoming and soon to be released. Cameron is too full of himself and is overrated like the wii console. he's mostly good for terminator and aliens.other than that, true lies was a snorefest,abyss was average and titanic; the most expensive chick flick to date.Fuck him and his obsession of the deep blue sea.
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...someone to do a Robotech Macross Saga live action film. Now that would be better than the clitoris. Well. Prolly not. Hey anyone know of any good Jim Cameron wife Stompin' Stories?
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Yeah, he's original allright.Not impressed.
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If anything, Aliens was a rip off of Starship Troopers (The Novel)if anything.
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I have none, as I have not seen it yet. However, I have seen the directors other films and based on that I feel good about it's chances of being very good.
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aliens is a take on 80s militaristic view on american life. SEND IN THE MARINES!! as was rambo 2. Laser--back me up on this one. wow. that just happen?
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Find the Ubisoft video at G4.
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And have a listen for yourself!
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http://e3.g4tv.com/videos/38700/Ubisoft-E3-2009-Press-Conference/
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That's what I did...and listened to every word the King had to say.
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We're talking about you Jan Hammer.
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tried but failed to ruin True Lies. That being said, based upon what has leaked out thus far, I look forward to seeing this.
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Not everyone who didn't enjoy The Abyss appreciates hacks like Michael Bay - that's a pretty ignorant statement, honestly. Many people love James Cameron..other think he's hype and flash - regardless of one's opinion, it's subjective...try and keep that in mind.
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Are you talking about the comment he made at the time of the somewhat lackluster concept art debuted by Marketsaw? Are you talking about the comment he made before Cameron gave an audio interview and made a presentation at E3? You know, like when the "hype" really started to kick in...
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In the zen-like spirit of peace...
And the shining example of brother Laserpants...
I declare no more wife beating jokes from this dojo.
Big Jim may be on his fifth marriage so I guess he's hard to live with but... I don't know he's a wife beater anymore than you do so I shall insinuate no more.
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*me lighting a cigar*
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Read more like a bunch of cynical bullshit pieced together by someone who has been following every available trade story. That's kind of funny in and of itself.Well, I guess there are different levels of "hype" depending on your point of view. So, if TopHat believes a real, in-your-face Cameron-fueled hype machine began months ago, he better hold onto his underbritches when this shit hits the more general web and MSM.
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at the time.No "hype" was getting out to Billy Public, where it counts.Now it's getting out. Now the "hype" really begins.
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am I fucking dreaming or did we all just make peace with laserpants? Holeee shit! Well, why not? Cool that the pictures have gotten him interested....
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yeah we threw the peace guantlet down and now all is right with the world. whats up with you??
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being Cameron, exactly dude. halo is clearly influenced by Aliens, and lets please remember thet Cameron wrote the scriptment (where all the things we are seeing in those pictures are described) in 1995 for heavens sake. So how in the hell did he copy Halo? if anything I think they took inspiration from him imho...
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still early morning here in Korea. What you up to?
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im really starting to get a good feeling about this movie...
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at the GI Joe clip talking crap about the power suits and the bad guys having to force they inside a building in order to shoot at the Eiffel Tower? I'd love to hear your justifications at the power suits in Avatar carrying handguns and assault riffles with both hands. And how come they haven't found a cure or at least a biomechanical alternative for paralysis in the 22 century?
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paralysis. Its just that the main character is a poor war vet, and the future earth is a fucked up one where the corporations control everything, and modern cities have become really polluted and overcrowed (even more so than today), kinda like Calcutta. So if you dont have money/health insurance whatever, then you cant afford to do something about being paralysed. Hope that helps dude
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well i not really sure im afraid, but if I had to guess it would be so that they also have articulated hands, which would allow you to manipulate your enviroment. And this would make them more versatile, and able to change their weapons systems as they could presumably carry different types of weapons (kinda like an infantryman). Makes sense to me if you are going to spend millions to make a high tech weapons system. You would want it to have many uses, and be able to be changed/upgraded/modified etc....
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Now you are trying to insinuate that capitalism will make it to the 22nd century...
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are going to have a hard time making anyone sympathetic to gijoe. That movie looks really bad, I was interested in it, but the more footage I see it just looks nothing like gijoe that I grew up on. And the actors (channing tatum, marlon wayns) seem to be acting like they are in a cartoon. And we all remember the mummy2 and van helsing so why would we expect much from Sommers?
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who knows what form of Capitalism will exist (or if as you say it will exist at all) in the 22nd century. You seem to be looking really hard to find things to pick a fight about due to being angry about people's reactions to gijoe....
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I didn't expect much from the director of Piranha 2.
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for his movies having any kind of internal logic, or any logic for that matter. You can pick holes in any movie if you really want to, but a movie should at least try hard to maintain an internal logic. Which Sommers movie even comes close to doing that dude?
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actually directed P2 (look it up). Also, I dont see your point my friend, you are comparing the begining of a directors career with a director that has made a fair amount of movies now...Should nt Sommers have made a great movie by now?
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tic that the negativity around it is wrong and that it turns out to be a lot of fun. I would love to be proved wrong about gijoe...
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makes any sense. Why would you break into a building and deal with security, and expose yourself to numerous people, when you could launch a rocket at the Eiffel Tower from a several mile radius at any one of a hundred locations? Especially a location that would hide your position, and give you an easy escape route?
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it looks like every cliched action movie out there right now...where not ONE frame will be still. there always has to be some CGI dementia going on in the background, foreground, blah blah blah..when welles popularized mise-en-scene, this was not what he had in mind.. GI JOE, transformers, mummy, matrix, pirates..even speed racer (which i enjoyed) cant sit still. cameron and his films can take time to slow down and "show off" the plot. remembe in ALIENS, before the marines wake up and you get a trip around the SULACO? or how about Ripley just sitting there blankly as a cigerette burns to the filter? unfortunately those days are gone. Cameron can be goofy (see True Lies) but there was a basis in reality, which im hoping Avatar will be steeped in. yes, transformers and GI JOE "technically look good", the best ILM can buy, but that will get you only so far.
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i got transferred so im learning new shit all over again...but its fun. trying to drag myself away from HBO--JAWS is on. damn what a great film.
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while nowhere near a masterpiece the first Mummy was a very entertaining flick. Now, given Sommers' track record after that one, GI Joe might suck. But I will be sure of it when enough unbiased reviews make it evident, or until I see the movie myself. I simply find it most annoying that based in two trailers and a 45 seconds clip people have already decided that the movie sucks. And just for the record I'm Cameron's fan so, just in case, don't paint me as a troll or something.
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and you are right. So i will also wait until we start hearing much more about it....
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heading off in a short while. Glad you are having fun with your new work. And yeah Jaws just never ages does it? That is one of the truly timeless movies man...
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Jun 02, 2009 7:24:39 PM CDT
SAG--why do jackasses always wrongly bring up Pirahna 2??
by six demon bag
this should set the record straight. this is from imdb.comCredit for directing this film was given to James Cameron. Most of the work was actually performed by Ovidio G. Assonitis, the film's producer and prolific film-maker. Assonitis was dissatisfied with Cameron's progress after the first week and took over. According to "Dreaming Aloud," a biography of James Cameron by Christopher Heard, Cameron did do the shooting for this movie, but was not allowed to see his footage and was not involved in editing. He broke into the editing room and cut his own version, but was caught and Assonitis re-cut it again
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SDB..I grew with the toys, and reading the Marvel comics (never really watched the cartoon to be honest). And when I read that Larry Hama was involved, and they claimed they are useing his comics as inspiration, I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt despite Sommers. But the footage shown doesnt bear much resemblance to what I know....
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anybody can make a shitty film look good in a 2 minute trailer. They cant even do that. if they are trying to get asses in the seats, they have failed miserably. they should have shown Baroness if they just wanted the mindless drones to go..they blew it..i actually found Mummy 2 enjoyable, i just shut my mind off and watched dumbfounded. i dont have the time nor patience to do that anymore though.
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Actually Cameron was initally brought on to Piranha 2 as head of the effects unit. There were several other directors who had been fired by Assonitis, and then when Cameron was promoted to be next in line, he filmed only 8 days, before Assonitis made up a story about him blowing the budget on coke and hookers (he had made up similar stories about the other directors). His plan was to direct the film himself, so he made a show of hiring and firng several directors himself so that the financiers would let him take over. Of course, JC was pissed and tried to sneak into the editing room to try and rescue the movie, but he was caught and the footage changed back. Then assonitis filmed all the nude scenes and other shit - and when he saw the movie was turning out be an embarassment slapped cameron's name on it - it should really be an alan smithee film. (either that was the story, or one of the prior directors was going to be credited, but didn't want it blotting his resume, and so tossed JC's name on it instead - shady tactics)I think Cameron had the last laugh, though.
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[edit] Production history
James Cameron was originally hired as the special effects director for this film and took over the direction when the original director left (his hand in story-writing can be suspected under the H. A. Milton pseudonym on the original script). Due to budget limitations the crew was composed essentially by Italians, none of whom spoke English. Some however did have prior experience on horror/fantasy movies so they were, to some extent, able to satisfy Cameron's requirements.
After the first week of shooting, the set harmony was disturbed by some discussions about the work between the director and the producers (the executive producer, Ovidio G. Assonitis, asked to verify the day-to-day activities, arguing most of Cameron's choices), so whilst Cameron was just responsible for the shooting, most of the decisions are under Assonitis' authority. According to Dreaming Aloud, a biography of James Cameron by Christopher Heard, Cameron was not allowed to see his footage and was not involved in editing. He broke into the editing room in Rome and cut his own version while the film's producers were at Cannes, but was caught and Assonitis re-cut it again.
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thanks--yeah there has to be some shady shit going on...you dont really make a shitty shitty film and then go on to make 6 great-to- classic films
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"anybody can make a shitty film look good in a 2 minute trailer". The key word: Shitty. Since obviously you've already seen the film then I'd most certainly like to read your review.
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exactly - you don't go from piranha 2 to T1 and Aliens in the span of a couple of years - talk about a qualitative jump!If you want to see Cameron's REAL first 'movie' - seek out 'Xenogenesis' (might be on youtube). Its only a short of about 3 mins or so (it was intended to be a full length feature made by JC and his buddies - apparently the mormon dentists who funded the thing got cold feet and pulled the financing), mainly consisting of a set-piece stop-motion battle between a robot and a 'power-suit' type deal, but its quite entertaining, and has definite nods to terminator, aliens, the abyss, and of course -avatar. cameron was able to salvage this footage from the original scrapped production and used it to get a job with Roger Corman!
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i was using a generalization. thats the whole point in the trailers--they are ads. they entice you, interest you, sometimes the trailers are even manipulative into thinking the film will be good by showing you all the money shots in the span of two minutes. after the last few months ive had, i would never DARE to presume a film is shitty. only that it doesnt interest me in the least.
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how many times have you gone to comedy and said "all the funny parts were in the preview" or "all the action was in the trailer" for an action flick..after the last few months ive had, id never DARE to presume a film will be shitty. only that it doesnt interest me in the least.
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The stereotypical portrayal of the American characters just annoyed me. I found it insulting and im not even American, and Personally I find lazy portrayals lile that insulting because it assumes the audiance has no brain imho....
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I knew the genral story, but not all that detail..
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any good versions of Strange Days or True Lies on dvd? By good I mean with extras, commenteries etc....
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they have some more pictures that give a really good look at the mech armour in Avatar.....
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I am Ovidio G. Assonitis. Now you know why I flame him -- REVENGE!!! How DARE he break into the editing room and MOLEST MY ART!!! PDAMN YOU JAMES CAMERONS!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!
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He's acting... maturely? What bizarro universe did I land in =).
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when Steve Weibe just fucking lost in 09!! *hangs head in shame*
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You'll never get a clip released from me. Everyone jumps on them negatively, no matter what. But in the case of GI JOE, its deserved. I'd rather just let the trailers and commercials speak for themselves. Like I imagine Cameron will do with Avatar.
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strange day indeed. dogs and cats living together. mass hysteria!
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There excellent trailers for excellent movies, just as there are excellent trailers for bad movies, just as there are really bad trailers for really bad movies, just as there are bad trailers for movies that turned good fun. The moral of this story: A movie can't be judged by a trailer. Period. You think that GI Joe will suck? Alright, think it. But don't try to convince me that it will suck just because you think that trailer or that clip were "bad". How many people here were slamming and/or laughing at previews for Die Hard 4.0 (a movie which, ironically, I hated), X-Men or Hulk 2 only to end up gushing over those movies? Will GI Joe be any good? Will I hate it? I'll know it when I see it or read enough reviews, not from the trailers or clips.
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And at the gym and making dinner and yadda yadda yadda, I didn't think the Avatar TB would be so popular, so I never stopped by until now, but of course, that was me just being foolish *smacks forehead*.
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Ghostbusters is on AMC right now. MASS HYSTERIA!
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region 1 dvds of true lies and strange days arent that great. strange days has an "opening commentary" jsut for the opening..more like an interview. id wait for special editions but i found them cheap at walmart. $5 each..i remember when i got them on vhs when fox was pushing WIDESCREEN..i got abyss, true lies, speed, strange days, and last of the mohicans. all good and all needed to be widescreen. god im old.
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its about winona, aliens, jaws, cameron, mummy, gi joe, ghostbusters, kong....im watching COPLAND right now...its been a while..not bad.
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What you have just said is that... we can't determine a movie will be shitty based on the trailers? Really? We can't look at footage and say "That looks bad," especially if the footage looks REALLY bad? I think it will suck for a number of reasons: a. that clip sucks b. power suits suck Sommers sucks Id like to see more trailers that change my mind, and maybe the closer the film gets, the more interested I will be, but right now, they're doing a terrible job of getting anyone (GI JOE fan or not) excited about this movie.
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to be continued
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Jun 02, 2009 8:45:12 PM CDT
Yep, only bare bones dvds for true lies and strange days
by turdontherun
And unlikely to be any special editions until after Avatar's release. There are a lot of deleted scenes from True Lies - I'd like to see an extended cut of that. And of, course, an anamorphic version of The Abyss. If you haven't heard of it, there's a cool website called DVDrewind, where they do region comparisons of dvds to see which version has the best extras - although there isn't much to choose between the afore-mentioned films. Cameron does commentaries on 4 movies to date - Aliens, T2 (extreme edition), Titanic, and Solaris. Hopefully he'll do more in future as he is a really interesting speaker.
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And it doesn't matter that Cameron didn't edit it, he shot a lot of it. It is about Pirana crossed with flying fish - nothing could make that film good.
My thing is so what if he made a first bad movie. The majority of directors out there- including some of the great ones - make a bad first movie, especially when they shoot a low budget feature. Should Coppola have stopped directing after he helped shoot that piece of shit called the Terror? Or should have Jonathan Demme quit after making the master piece Caged Heat? How about Oliver Stone and The Hand?
No! People can't become good directors unless they get a chance to learn and sometimes that requires that they "fail" at their first attempts so they can learn what they should do or not do. Very few come out with Citizen Kane on their first try. -
This from a Sommers fan(well, former-I still REALLY like the Mummy), and from the Biggest Big Robots(Hitting Each Other) One More Time fan. It just looks-well, like a Parody of a Bad Die Hard knockoff, done about 8 years ago when all things Matrix was still the thing. Seriously Bowser Lousy. It hits every fucking cliche I can think off--shit Mikey Bay had IronHide(i think) doing the somersault around the missiles routine, so WHY does Sommers think it's gonna work AGAIN w/ the same blocking, same CGI F/X and same everything? It Don't make sense!! I wanna see Del Toro try it, and call it GI Jose. You know YOU do, too!
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Who's to say? Jammin' James Cameron gives us a Good show every time out, he shows us something New we ain't seen yet, and he carries it thru w/ utter conviction. He did Aliens. I love that one. He did Titanic. I like Titanic. He did the Abyss. I kinda like the Abyss. And he did Terminator I and Too. I like both a LOT. That allllllllllllll by itself right there-gives this guy a get outta jail free and do whatever the fuck he wants card in La-La land. He HAS taken too long to USE it, of late-sure! He's making Cokey AND Malick look-Prolific--and that's just S*A*D*, you know? I say give the man a chance, this should be really good. Plus it looks like it has (some) Giant Robots in it. Don't say you don't wanna see that. Cuz you DO!
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yeah it sucks but by all accounts that ive read (and i'll give that history is written by the winners) that he only partially shot it after replacing the first couple of directors. in postproduction he wasnt allowed to give his input though. thats a BIG part. im not saying he wouldve made a masterpiece and im sure not holding out for Cameron's cut on dvd (i WOULD put that in my queue though). in hindsight, he was probably too naive (at the time) to take his name off the film.
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say it does nt matter as all versions of SD and TR are bare bones right? Thanks for the info anyway guys.
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Cameron would have made a good movie out of P2, but if he only shot 8 days, and had no post-production participation...well then he simply did nt make the movie...he was merely involved. That being said, you are so right continentalop, making mistakes is exactlly how everyone learns...
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Unless you're Lucas! Oh yeah! (Damn me!)
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point, and either too delusional or surrounded by yes men that tell him his farts smell like perfume to ever see where he made mistakes...
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Yeah, it does resemble Halo. Not that this is a bad thing. But, I hope the really cool shit will be in the demo, which I haven't seen yet. But, hey! If that giant A-V-A-T-A-R behind Cameron was any indication . . .
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"I think the jedi would be able to tell if the sith had returned, Qui-Gon, but thanks for playing. Anywho, gotta go help my Pal-patine move a couch." Yeah, real fukcing jedi-force powers of deduction.
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the photos from the conference? There was a 14 foot tall model of the mech armour, and the photos show it off from all angles. Damn if it doesn t look super cool. Love how Battlemech its looks, and shit is that a serious gun that things carrying. I guess there goes that thusspoke guys conspiracy theory about there being no guns lol.....
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Mace - "I sense a STRONG DARK PRESENCE surrounding the chancellor. Hmmmmm." Very next scene, "The Chancellor is a Sith lord? Anakin, are you fucking with me?"
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sad how the Lucas of the late 70s and early 80s just dissapeared. Now that guy was a damn talented filmaker, this current one is living in his own world, almost Michael Jackson delusional...Or at least it might be sad if he had even the faintest idea of how far he has fallen in many of his fans eyes....
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shit is damn funny....
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you know I do call Lucas the M.J. of the movie world because I really do shake my head and just say, "What happened?"
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I have posted this annoyance before but why would the Fetts use their real names. Kind of blows their disguise as mercenaries! "What are you?" "I'm Bruce Wayne!"
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If it hadn't been for Motoko Kusanagi dropping his mantra into every talkback since before Dark Knight, would we even be talking about this notion of over-hype? And did Motoko REALLY turn that into a site-wide catchphrase all by his (her?) damn self? That's dedication. Even ABKing couldn't do that for Expendables. And frankly, I don't want to know in which orifice the Expendables plans to be getting frisky with us on opening day.
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tarantino's first film is 'my best friend's birthday'. scorsese's is 'i call first'. so what's your point about piranha 2?
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out of piranha 2 - granted the material is inherently very silly, but the point is - he only directed 8 days. And it was hardly trial and error - he was shafted by the producers. so what continetalop said was kind of missing the point. BTW, I don't think that phrase came from Motoko originally - he just propagated it incessantly.And finally - Lucas bashing is played out. The prequels were what they were - and I stand by my opinion that sith is a pretty good movie, and much better than the lazy (though with some great moments) rotj. As for the utterly forgettable indy 4 - knowing what I know about it , I entirely place the blame on spielberg. he is the director; the buck stops with him. it was a half-hearted effort, with no spark to it. at least the prequels failings were very pronounced - ie. lucas took some risks, for good or for ill.
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Best overall everything in the entire prequel trilogy. Best acting, best story, best freakin' music from Mr. John Williams.
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and Ian McDiarmid is great in that film, espeially the scene at the opera. order 66 is a great sequence (star wars always works best when its just visuals and music). And the final lightsabre battle is pretty spectacular (doesn't seem to get any praise- most seem to prefer the episode 1 duel- but it is both psychologically complex and visually spectacular). I'd like Lucas to go back and create special editions of the prequels, or extended cuts. A massive amount of stuff was cut from them all, especially attack of the clones, a film which suffers from some rather shoddy editing. There's good stuff in all the prequels - I've got a feeling that with some heavy tinkering (and I'm not talking about those shitty phantom edits which some seem to praise) that they could be radically improved.
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But you can't tell me Kasdan wouldn't have rawked that dialogue. So much drama wasted. Lucas is a genius except when it comes to scripts. I defended Episode 1 for a while but after 2 fuck it, i call it like I see 'em. I hate that every scene in Sith is a damn green screen. The prequels are excellent in almost every way except for the script. Golden Age of the Jedis my ass. So not Lucas bashing but it is great fodder. You like yo father is now . . . yo mama. The movies peaked with Empire and it sucks. But I'm not saying they are the worst movies ever, not by a long shot. Just a disappointment. I wish they'd release the full score for Sith, too.
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Was proof that the Golden Years of Lucas/Spielberg are long gone. I walked out of the midnight show. I did go see it fully to be sure, but alas, what a horrid third act. "Hey, let's have Indy walk into a room and . . and . .and . .gently place the skull on a table!" "Then what?" (silence) "What do you mean then what? What else is there!" Lol!
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guys, especially with what you say Turd. Inded there are some good things in the PT and Lucas did take riskes (just unfortunate so much did nt work). But sometimes its just funny (as in odd, not amusing)to look at and realize how far from grace Lucas has fallen. And you are right about Indy 4, ultimatly Spielberg has to take the shit for that one. What do you know Turd? Why would you say Spielberg gets most of the blame? ..oh, and yes ROTS was fairly good, and better than ROTJ imho....
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photos of the mech armour from the conference at marketsaw.com? Im interested in your thoughts dude.
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The cockpit for the mech looks just like the cockpit for the drop ship in Aliens. Love it.
Just got back from seeing Drag Me to Hell and Up in 3D, back-to-back.
One of the better times at the movies I had in a awhile.
Raimi needs to alternate the blockbusters with smaller films inbetween. Up was another great Pixar film and it looked great in 3D. I can only picture Avatar now. -
Love the design - wasn't sold from the original concept art but really like it now that we can see it up close. makes the power loader from aliens look like a tonka toy! that chain gun looks brutal-every fifth round is a tracer. also, the huge knife under the barrel - for cutting through foliage. the windscreen wiper is a neat touch. Again, Cameron keeps to his aesthetic of gritty, realistic, industrial looking design.
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Up and drag me to hell. So how would you rate up against Pixar's other movies? (personally my faves are the incredibles, Finding Nemo, toy story, wall-e, and ratattoiue). And how would you rate DMTH against Raimi's other films imagin?
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Up in any way?
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cool and mean looking at the same time. As you say, much better than the concept art made it look. Now I just need to see what the Na'Vi look like and the Manticore (if you have read the old scritment you will know what that is..)
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mech armour or the design of the Banshees. How about you Turd?
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It is hard to rank the Pixar films, they are all so good. My least favorites are Cars and A Bug's Life, but Up is right at the top. Your top five also happen to mine. Either way, Up is highly recommended. It felt like an American version of a Miyasaki film.
DMTH was a great mixture of Evil Dead 1 and 2. It swung from horror to comedy. I wouldn't say it is as good as the Evil Dead films, but it was still miles better than the typical horror schlock. It is definitely a great comeback for Raimi after Spider-man 3. -
3D is so much better than it used to be. I really felt immersed in the environment. The level of depth was terrific. There were no cheap 3D gags. The characters all felt rounded. The vistas were breathtaking. The sight of the zeppelin and the balloons was truly wonderous. I loved it. There was hardly any blurring and I didn't get a headache. I would say the technology is 90% there. Cameron probably has the last 10%. Bring on Avatar in Imax 3D.
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As I stated before, I did not come up with the eyeball-fucking thing.But I think it just hit the nail on the head.My apologies to all who are annoyed by....err....me.
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Has anyone seen the trailer for Bioware's Old Republic game? God it just makes me weep 'cause it so perfectly captures what could've been. Still I'd love to see an animated Clone Wars series done in the style of that game. PS southafricanguy - you ever read Marc Shapiro's biography of Cameron? Great stuff!
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than the released images thus far, ie a space aged bed and a piece of machinery. as i said, one can only hope this is good, but overall i still expect just under 3 hours of PG13 mediocre crap.
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But im sure after Avatar is released there will be many Cameron biographies both new and reissued. But thanks for the info my friend, will keep a look out for it...
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favourite are the same as mine too lol. So thanks for that assesment, that means I will really dig it. I believe I can trust your opinion...
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i dont know which i prefer..just little bits here and there or showing me everything...its only a matter of time before they HAVE to show us a trailer.
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How did Harry get tickets for E3, when his site doesn't write about games?
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I vaguely remember Mori throwing in a talkback post saying "Who cares, when Avatar will be fucking our eyeballs in 2009?"
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Cameron said at the Aliens / Abyss Q&A (GOD, I would've kicked an ass or two for tickets to that damn screening) last weekend that we would see footage from the movie "Very soon." General as hell, I know, but I'm inclined to believe the day is nearing. And Fox keeps insisting the SD ComiCon will be some kind of turning point in the movie's marketing, so... fingers crossed.
The most likely release this summer to carry the trailer seems to be (at this point, since TF2 his been nixed from the list,) Ice Age 3. It's a Fox film being released in 3D, and it hits theatres just a few days after ComiCon, IIRC, so the indications are there. -
-I agree w/ you on Sith. It's a GOOD movie and yes I'd rather watch it over Jedi, too! Lucas bashing is a self-serving nerd circle-jerk anyways, yeah Menace was juvenile and Klones was clunky, but there's decent stuff in all three of the prequels, and it's not like they're directed by Ratner or whatever.
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1) ESB
2) ANH
3) ROTS (you heard me)
4) ROTJ (there are only two good parts to the movie -- the Vader vs. Luke resoultion and the Final Epic Space Battle -- everything else is pretty bad.
5) AOTC (almost completely unwatchable except for the last 30 minutes on Geonosis)
6) TPM (really, REALLY awful on almost every conceivable level. That the last 20-30 minutes are okay barely makes up for how AWFUL the preceding 90+ minutes were.).
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I hope folks aren't saying I was bashing. If so read my posts again, I say the man is mostly a genius. The Old Republic trailer is awesome and that's what I mean when I was disappoited, it's what could have been. But trust me that's not bashing by a long shot. I have given examples of my opinion. I mean, I have fun with LotR and those movies got everything right. The main reason I like Jedi more than Sith is the practical elements. With Sith I sense people walking in front of a green screen. But I saw Clones twice and Sith over five times in the theatre. So I give constructive criticism, and sometimes just like to have fun. But I will always give Lucas his due. NOW DROP THAT FIDDLE AT MY FEET! HUZZAH!
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I agree with what everyone is saying about Jedi, I only meant I appreciate the practical feel of the sets. I wish the prequels had more of that.
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except i like the whole Jabba act in JEDI...sue me, i like muppets.and i dont get that icky feeling watching SITH.and its non special editions for the older trilogy of course.
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Special Editions are a great example of my point. I appreciated the effort from Lucasfilm but in the end, it was a change in how Lucas made movies. I think we all get how CGI has been a mixed blessing for movies. This is why I love Jackson and Co. always using practical sets whenever possible.
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agreed. when you watch EMPIRE you forget Luke is talking to a puppet. not so in the new films. sometimes practical effects and sets are better. give me spartacus and ben hur over gladiator ANYDAY.
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with the special editions and new trilogy Lucas and co. had shit flying around for no apparent reason other than they could do it. it was too busy. little droids buzzing around mos eisley like gnats..fuck that noise.
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I am ashamed to say I never watched Spartacus. I know I should. And let me say one of my favorite scenes of any Star Wars is in Sith. When Anakin and Padme are looking out over the city at each other. William's cue is just awesome. (Padme was mostly wasted unfortunately in Sith. All she did was sit, stand, sit, stand. She deserved better. Kind of like Solo and Leia in Jedi) But that was an excellent scene.
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with Laser's ranking too. Its really a pity that star Wars is bookended by its two weakest parts imho...But yeah begin with Sith and end with Empire....
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becos that cant get here fast enough...
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The Golden Age would have been hundreds of years before that. The Jedi at the time of the prequels were becoming complacent and arrogant, as Yoda mentioned in Episode II, just as the Republic was becoming corrupt. I think it was Lucas' way of saying the government and Jedi, like all things, but mainly a large forest, is in need of a good burn every once in awhile to destroy the weak and dying parts and allow it to restructure and grow back stronger. In this universe, its the Sith and the Emperor's Empire that starts the fire. And it worked.
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I think Avatar will be this years TDK (best Batman movie ever imho..)
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tunity, it could and should have bben so much better, instead we got a really mixed bag. Some bad (most of TPM, the romance in AOTC, Kiddie vader, Jar Jar) and some good (the duels in TPM and in Sith, general Greivious, the end battle of AOTC...)
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You are right, but I guess I was just making a point that the Jedis, except for the main ones, seemed to be falling over railings. I mean, really.
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But am I wrong, wouldn't you rather have had Ventress come into play over Dooku? She pretty sweet. But maybe that's just me. I think Lucas just wanted Mr. Lee, which I can't blame him. and I suppose you could have had both.
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just got so old. No matter how many they killed there was no satisfaction for me in that. Give us more Sith.
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Because he's a former Jedi who actually left the order, which gives the audience some insight into how Jedi and Sith dynamics work (if they know nothing of outside "canon") as a religion. And he's got that aristocratic air that gives the character more than a sneering villain stereotype. Not saying Asajj fits that mold but, I don't see as much depth to her as I do Dooku.
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The problem is Dooku is never really fleshed out. You make a good point, not to sound like a broken record, but if someone like Kasdan could have come in and fleshed out these characters more. That Jedi/Sith dynamic just sits there. Yoda and Obi-Wan should have seen how the Jedi having become too dogmatic helped Anakin turn, but we didn't get that. The whole love forbidden thing was wasted. The story is there, but just not realized on the screen. That's all I am saying. And if Yoda gives me the "pain leads to suffering" run-down one more time! Jedi shouldn't be fortune cookies and aside from Obi and Anakin, they were too wooden. I think they really did need a Han Solo for the prequels. A way for the layman to point out the jedi had become "stale", which is a good plot point.
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I don't think anyone argues against that. It could have been a Jedi himself. Qui-Gon was the closest one in the entire trilogy to that.
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Jun 03, 2009 10:50:19 AM CDT
I agree with Laserpants... Yuck. I feel dirty.
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
That's the correct order of best to worst. Although I enjoyed AOTC a little more than that. TPM is a complete load of shit except for the pod race and the Darth Maul fight.
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I think he's why I like TPM more than Clones. Clones just kind of sits there for me. Some good eye-candy, but, again, cloning Bob from Accounting as opposed to someone with force powers seems goofy - heh, that was the one reason I was going to be able to handle silly metachlorians. And I would be lying if I always thought the Clone Wars were the jedi against the Clones when it was first brought up in Star Wars. I know it turned into that in Sith but very late the game. Needed more than a montage for me. Maul fight was great but too many cuts back to the other shit. Four battles going on and only one was cool.
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Let me word that better, I thought the Clone Wars in Star Wars referred to the good guys fighting the bad clones. Not what I had imagined, but whatever.
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The opening bits with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, up until they meet Jar Jar. Sitting in the theatre the first time, TPM looked like the "HOLY SHIT" movie we expected it to be . . . RIGHT up until they meet Jar Jar.
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... the shot of the Republic Cruiser landing on the Trade Federation battleship was a very "fuck, that's pretty cool, I hope the whole movie's like this" sort of moment. Ditto for the protocol droid with the female voice. Ditto for the first time Qui-Gon shoves his lightsaber through the blast door (first time lightsabers had been seen cutting and melting metal). Ditto for the first appearance ever of a droid in battle (hinted at in ESB with IG-88, but never actually seen).
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Yeah, those were all good. Someday I'll re-edit them and have one really solid movie. Yeah, Qui-Gon using his saber on the blast door was me thinking, oh shit, this is getting good . . . then the negotiations were cut short.
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Period.
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Had an interesting premise and was pretty impressive for a first film in the late 70's or early 80's when they had nothing like what we now have with digital camcorders and nonlinear editing software. From what I remember it was a guy and a girl exploring a vast generation ship devoid of life, and then running into a big killer robot. I'd love to see Cameron resurrect the Xenogenesis concept as an epic 3D feature after he does Battle Angel. There is potential to do something there.
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Had an interesting premise and was pretty impressive for a first film in the late 70's or early 80's when they had nothing like what we now have with digital camcorders and nonlinear editing software. From what I remember it was a guy and a girl exploring a vast generation ship devoid of life, and then running into a big killer robot. I'd love to see Cameron resurrect the Xenogenesis concept as an epic 3D feature after he does Battle Angel. There is potential to do something there.
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But the Jabba part also includes the LAMEST "death" in movie history -- Han Solo *accidentally* "killing" the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy, Boba Fett. I mean, cmon, George! How about an awesome climactic blaster battle on the streets of Mos Eisley? You know, one of those meta Space Western thangs?
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I got the feeling that Avatar replaced it.
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..IS IT TRUE THAT CAMERON USED TO SCREAM "RIDLEY SCOTT IS A POCKMARKED HOMO FAGGOT" WHEN HE'D BEAT LINDA SENSELESS? ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THAT.
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oooh..i forgot about that...yeah you really cant go out like a chump when youre a kickass bounty hunter. kinda takes away from Boba Fett AND Han Solo by killing him that way.
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I was about to bitch about Fett's death, too. You beat me to it. Nice! Maybe he'll go back and special edit Jango's grandson, John Jacob Jingleheimer Fett kneeling down at the edge of the pit holding Boba's helmet, which will be shown "falling off" somehow. Must have everything connect even when there's no need. (guess that's Lucas bashing too.) Lol!
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will be doing BAA after Avatar. He was debating several years ago over which one to do first. He chose Avatar because the script was where it needed to be while he was still unsatisfied with the script for BAA. But f you are interested go to marketsaw.com and look for an old story from about 2 month ago (I think) where they posted some genuine concept art from BAA (also looked pretty sweet)
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right about the sucky way Lucas killed off Boba. But then I always felt there were so many things wrong with ROTJ. I never liked how the films structure is so close to ANH. And the less said about the ewoks the better. Love how the Emporor says that his finest crack troops are on Endor, and they then proceed to be beaten by teddy bears with rocks and spears....Wish Lucas had stuck to the original idea of it being Wookies....
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? I have never heard of it, is it available for viewing somewhere?
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moments of TPM were actually quite good, funny how you can actually feel the movie enter its own suck zone the second Jar Jar shows up....
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does anybody else think that in EMPIRE when Vader pulls down Fett's arm when he aims at Chewie, do you think hes doing that cause he doesnt want C3PO to get hit? or do i have A LOT of time on my hands?
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thos e avatar pics rock..i would like a life size MECH suit and an ED-209 for hannukkah.
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i will gladly take ewoks over Jar jar anyday.
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is next in line after Avatar - although Cameron may squeeze the free-diving drama The Dive in-between. And then, of course, there's the small matter of the Forbidden Planet re-make. Everything is subject to change. When do you think we'll see the next Cameron movie after Avatar - 2011? I really hope he goes back to making a movie at least every 2 or 3 years like he used to, and maybe even more. Apparently Kubrick, according to his widow, wished he had made twice as many movies before he died. Cameron isn't old - 54 I think - but life is short and he's only done 6 movies. I really want him to double or even triple that count before he's through. Ridley Scott is 71 - how many more are we going to get from him before he goes?
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southafricanguy - it is currently on you tube (where you can actually see a lot of obscure shorts/works from directors - speaking of star wars, the dreaded holiday special was on there once, and is indeed every bit as bad as you imagined - hilarious stuff). It is 12 mins long, and pretty impressive for an amateur short made in 1978 (Cameron never attended film school).LV-426, I would like to see him make a 3D epic out of it as well. Just another thing to add to his to-do list, then - he'll be through by 2075 or so, I reckon!
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Guess the other Avatar thread died huh? How is everyone, had I known there was a Star Wars discussion going on I would have been here sooner, as I am a SW fanatic. Got two SW tattoos, one on each arm. Anyways what's going on?
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Blue 5, standing by.
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How about when Vader turns and nearly knocks General Veers over right before the battle of Hoth. "GENERAL VEERS!" See! I love Empire but I can still have fun. Haters indeed. And here's a question, Yoda tells Luke he mustn't give in to hate and kill Vader, only for defense must he use force, but then Ben tells Luke if he doesn't kill his dad "The Emperor has already won." Holy shit, I can't spit without hitting broken logic!
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I LOVE Star Wars in general. Hell, I even watched that damn Clone wars movie with "Sky-guy"! (shivers) and Uncle joe the Hutt, or whatever the hell that shit was with a thick southern accent.
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Interesting thought on that Vader stopping C3P0 getting shot. Trust me bro if you have too much time on your hands then I don't know what I have LOL, because I think of things like that, events in the PT and how they seem (now) to connect to events in the OT, quite interesting.
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VADER: I sense something..a presence i haven't felt since..."STORMTROOPER: Since when dark lord??
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Could have been so much more. I wonder what it would have been if Spielberg, in his popcorn movie prime, had directed it as intended(DGA regs scuppered that). It may have been even better than empire. (Cronenberg, Lynch, and Verhoeven were also considered! and kershner was asked back as well, but turned it down) I wish they'd kept to the original idea of having the emperor stuff set on Coruscant. I think technical limitations kept it down, but if Scott and Trumbull achieved what they did with Blade Runner the previous year, surely ILM (the best in the business at that time) could have pulled off a futuristic city, even using fixed matte paintings, models, and opticals. Another Death Star was just a re-hash of Star Wars - you really need to see new stuff in sequels that expands the universe (such as what Cameron does, and what Empire did).As far as the ewoks are concerned - Lucas should have made them more feral and vicious and less teddy bear-like. He said that he didn't use Wookies because they had been established as a more technological species. Avatar actually has echoes of a far more vicious, gritty, adult version of the ewok/stormtrooper battles in jedi. And of course, the less said about boba's death the better. I think Lucas even acknowledged its lameness on the commentary, saying now he would have a full scale battle between luke and fett on the barge. maybe he'll change this for the 3D versions of the OT?
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no way Lucas "knew" Anakin built Threepio at that point. but if someone knows this to be true, please tell me. That would make one more scene in TPM bearable.
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Of course he could have wanted C3PO to live to ask R2 where in the hell he left those rockets.
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hello no Lucas knew 3PO wa built by Anakin at that time..no way. i just thought it was cute that it works in the film.it also works as "stop fucking around around Fett. are you fucking crazy shooting up this place?"Lucas , as he was writing TPM thought oh this would be cute to make anakin his creator. and the yes men rejoiced.
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Oh hell yeah, that would have been cool. But Lucas was going through a divorce at the time and you really can sense his lack of passion as Jedi progressed. So, I actually give Jedi some passes cause I'm sure he was burnt out as well. but that would have been cool. Trumbull rawks. Anyone see Brainstorm? Love that one.
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Yeah. But that is really too funny. I'll be sharing that one.
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No at that point (when ESB was done) Lucas did not establish that Anakin built threepio, but I think that in doing the PT, he was probably thinking of ways to make more connections to events in the OT beyond the obvious, kind of backwards connection, but when you watch the OT, you think about things a little different with the knowledge of events in the PT. Well, maybe if you are a SW nut like I am.
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Dammitt Fett was so cool as a solo mystery bounty hunter. Why the family reunion! Why! and why is every stormtrooper a Fett! Why! And why, again, would the Fetts use their real names if they are secret mercenaries! lol! Sorry, can't get over that.
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I know and that was part of the problem. and I keep forgetting that Anakin had no dad. Really? Is the best way to go with Anakin?
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bad move, really...it makes the universe seem smaller and too coincidental. 3P0 was supposed to be 135 years old or something - why couldn't he have just been already established at the beginning of the film on the Trade ship and then we could just fill in the rest with our imaginations-about his background, how many masters he had had, where he came from, etc. etc?
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the other day I was watching Sith and it occured to me that NO ONE would kill kids as their first assignment unless they were truly evil to begin with. Lucas never showed that Anakin was evil before that. Palpatine should have killed them and framed Anakin, not that was why he turned, but now when I see Jedi and Vader kills Palpatine he is still a damn child murderer. I get if he had done it later on after the dark side festered in him for a while, but his (basically) first assigment the very same night he decides to turn. I have to give Lucas a pass because I think he was going for the effect of evil and not really thinking that this would mean Anakin was a murderer to begin with. What say ye?
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always thought it was insinuated that Palpatine was anakin's dad. he "created" him from i dunno..or was he just bullshitting him that story in the opera to give him hope of saving Padme? could go either way. if Palpatine was his dad then thats a fucked up family reunion on the death star in JEDI.
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I could talk all night about SW....but, I am a bit messed up (in a good way) and my g/f is giving me the eye ;) so I am off to better things! Well for a few mins anyways LOL. Later fellas, will check back in the am.
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Palpatine was Anakin's dad! I was dreading that...or that Palpatine paid off the tusken raiders to kill Shmi.
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Palpatine was telling Anakin lies and half truths all the way thru ROTS, but the way he looked at him in the opera when he told Anakin how Darth Plagus could have the midichlorins create.....life, it was almost as if he was telling Anakin the he learned how and he did it and made him. Ok now I am done for the night LOL.
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Peace out! My the metachlorians (sp?) be with you!
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your family situation worked out well. Have a good one dude...heh heh..
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but im afraid you are going to have to get behind me in line for one of those mecha dude..lol. An ED209 would be cool too....
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it comes to knowing your shit. Thanks for the info, will check it out asap. And im right there with you about all the projects I still want Cameron to make. I want BAA, I want him to make the Avatar sequals (if anyone should have his own sci-fi trilogy it should be Cameron imho). And then there are all the things that werent to be....spiderman, planet of the apes, fantastic voyage.....
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while I have never hated the PT (I really hate the whole stupid Lucas raped my childhood thing), I have mixed feelings about them. But that shitty clone wars cartoon kind of burnt me out guys. I now consider myself a sort of lapsed SW fan. While I now find myself having gotten back into Star Trek in a big way (was previously a lapsed trekkie...)
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then again, the last time Cameryn (purposely misspelled cuz I think it's better that way) had a project with the word Angel in it, it was pretty meh. Prove me wrong cam, both on Battle Angel Alita and Avatar. Just rewatched Terminator recently. "Fuck You, Asshole," muhahahahah I forgot all about that one.
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Avatar's producer John Landau said at E3 that this is the first time in 32 years that a director has attempted to craft an entire original cinematic universe in such a detailed manner.
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Did you love the new Star Trek or like it? (I'm assuming you didn't hate it.) I liked it, but the main time plot drove me batty. The tone was great and am looking forward to the next one.
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did nt love it. The script was truly quite dumb 9just too many plot holes and conveniances). But the cast had great chemistry (except for Pegg who I think is badly miscast), it was fun, and I loved many of the designs (especially the inside of the Nerada and the new Romulan look). So overall the movie really works in spite of a weak script imho....
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looking forward to the next one, But I think there is a lot of room for improvement. Though I like that with an altered timeline the writers are free to do as they please. Imho trek was hampered by being painted into a corner with its increasingly complex continuity...
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He didn't want Chewie or the Princess killed.
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Yeah, Im pretty stoked that Cameron is putting this much effort into Avatar, and I hope it really is his magnum opus. Im really excited by what he says i9n that interview on marketsaw.com about working with Ubisoft to come up with designs and ideas for the Avatar sequals. What do you think Imagin78? I think its damn awsome as computer game companies have been somewhat ahead of the curve compared to Hollywood. And its never really been done before, so it could lead to some really awsome stuff imho...
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I think once the Empire was created, anyone could join up as a soldier and get promoted to an officer. Solo was originally a Stormtrooper, was he not? Or was he just in the Academy...
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He did slaughter an entire Tusken village, women and children included. He had the capacity for evil deeds.
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when Palpatine told Vader he killed Padme? what possible motivation would be for that? why didnt he just say that ObiWan killed her? Vader would have 20 years of roided rage building up until that showdown..that wouldve made way more sense and wouldve gotten rid of that horrible NOOOOOOO!!!--which almost killed the mood...almost.
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Its actually extremely enjoyable and the great fruition of all the ideas and influences that Lucas had with Star Wars but couldn't explore in the films.
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I actually dig how melodramatic it is.
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I know the academy and all that, just going with the flow. I don't count the Tuskien Raiders because he didn't see them as human and his mom was dead becaus of them. Revenge is different than "oh, I want to save my wife so I'll kill a bunch of kids." That is just a shitty thing to do. No one can tell me Lucas paced him turning right at all. he should have started (in a big way) in Ep. 2. Many heroes take revenge, so that doens't flow into the evil thing.
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It is interesting that Cameron liked some of the designs that were created for the game and then appropriated for the film. It looks like one of those rare instances where the movie AND game are both terrific.
Right there with you on Trek. The script tried to shoe horn too much. The time travel, the origin story and the villain all smashed together. Frankly, there was at least material for two movies in there. Everyone I saw the film with thought it moved TOO quick. However, the acting was good. The effects were astounding. I liked the score. I though JJ did a solid job directing even if I could have done without all the shaky cam. Overall, it was good. It wasn't Trek 2 or 6, but it is what Trek needed to stay relevant. I will expect a tighter and smarter script for the next one though.
Attack of the Clones is the worst of the SW films. It should have set-up Sith the same way that Empire set-up Jedi. Instead, we got one of the worst romances ever put on screen and a botched job at tilting Anakin to the dark side. I can't even get worked up over the battles on Geonosis.
Personally, I love Jedi. Yes, Boba dies like a dope. Yes, Han is a bit neutered and the Ewoks are a bit much. Nevertheless, it has the best space battle in all the SW films. The Luke/Emperor stuff is great and it just, overall, feels like a satisfying conclusion to the OT. I can't carp on it too much. -
Yeah, I didn't get that either about him telling Vader. And the series is kind of cool when the robots don't talk, but the movie of Clone Wars was a big downer.
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I'm with you on the order of worst to best. Clones sucked. Anakin should have walked out of the jedi council quitting at the end so he could get married. Fuck you to the jedi who had become too dogmatic. this would have helped in his turning. As it stands, Palpatine gives him a pamplet "At least look at the literature, son." "Sure, hey I see I can save my loved ones - the same ones Yoda says I should not care about when they die, all for just the price of 20 youngling heads. Nice! I'm in."
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He wanted Vader to hate himself. You hate yourself, you're pretty much going to hate everyone else too. And if he told him Obi-Wan killed her, then Vader would be too hell-bent on finding Obi-Wan (as he would later be in finding Luke), and wouldn't be as easily controlled. Vader would be going after Obi-Wan every chance he could instead of monitoring Death Star progress or wiping out Rebel bases or searching for other straggling Jedi.
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Yeah that was my original impression, but let it go. But, I will concede that makes sense. Shit now that I think about it, I forgot the Emperor was smiling when Vader was screaming, so yeah, that's right.
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They're comic relief for the most part. There was one episode where they did a direct riff of the "Doctor, Doctor... Doctor," scene from "Spies Like Us" but with the droids all saying "Roger, Roger."
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Manipulating. And smiling like an evil bastard when his plans came through.
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Heh, that would have been funny to see. I love the womb-like feel of the show. Like Star Trek t.v. with that soothing ship-hum. And the lightsaber action is always cool. And I will admit that Ventress is hot in her Sith-like way and would have loved to see her in the movies.
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As bizarre and dorky as it is to say... But its true. She's designed quite nicely.
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They're able to do things they couldn't quite do in the films (or at least do well). Jar Jar's comedy works a lot better, as does putting 3PO into dangerous situations (subtle humor with him trying to escape for a perilous environment and all he can do is his slow hobble-run). They're able to do more with characters and situations that are directly influenced by old westerns or 1950s SciF or wari. I find many more references and allusions to other films and genres than I do in the movies themselves.
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My friends and I always said concerning Jar Jar in the movies, if he was just kick-ass at something. Like some kick-ass pilot. Something!
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Lucas tried to do too much in Clones. He put in film noir, romance, and Harryhausen films on top of the existing styles. It was too much and in the end nothing worked. The worst moment, for me, in the SW films is still when Anakin and Padme are falling in love on Naboo. Williams' romance theme is reaching its' crescendo. How does Lucas build up the mood? He puts Anakin on a Shaak and then has him fall down. Anakin and Padme start giggling. What is this Twilight? Also, I am still trying to figure out what exactly Jonathan Hales did exactly.
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I think Lucas admitted that AotC was more than half an aside, or stand alone. "You're not sand." Come on! Maybe Hales gave us the hunter-seeker/worms in Padme's room Dune rip-off.
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I would love for someone to come in and just redo the prequels. Not in every fashion, but there is some great drama waiting to be tapped. And no, "I saw Anakin do it on a security-hologram-video-beta-tape-camcorder-fiber-optic-lens we had installed to spy on Yoda in the conference room."
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The Dune comment was nit-picking. Just trying to say everyone should read Dune. Great book. And the next two as well.
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more SW films, then they should be post ROTJ, and have the old Luke, Solo etc..And Lucas should have fuckall involvement beyond producing, and please for the love of all that is good dont let him write anything..lol.
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palpatine's ruse couldve failed...anakin pretty much gave up everything to SAVE padme and the emperor tells him he killed her. this is how murder suicides happen. vader in his endless guilt and self-loathing coulve just as easily fallen on his on saber to END IT.
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clone wars movie they released into theatres. And I watched it on a plane flight between Seoul and Hong Kong. I was less than impressed to be quite honest. The animation was fine, but it was way to juvenile, and there was too much of Lucas's slapstick shit imho...It just annoyed me, though I realize that the series may be much better, but as I said I just got burnt out on SW becos of it....
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Jun 03, 2009 10:28:31 PM CDT
id just like to say that i really enjoy the love around here lat
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i know that sounds corny and all but its good to see we've kept the peace and acted like mature adults. until friday at least.on that note guys, we rock.
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with Cameron on marketsaw.com?
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conversations/debates with everyone without any name calling or fighting etc..
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gotta go to sleep..CLONES WARS film horrible..ive caught the show with my son..its better.
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almost had to check I was on the right website lol...
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I'll second that. Smacktalk is fine, but having a real point to it is even better. Here's to open-minded people with bow-legged women! Or, something like that.
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I for one waited a while before just recently coming on board because it seemed to get overly pointless name-calling just for the sake of not having anything to back up one's opinion. But if you can back it up call me what you like! Bring it! Lol!
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He had given himself to the Dark Side at that moment (way before it actually). And I think he was pretty committed to the New World Order.
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As far as the movies go, anything that has lightsabers I'll see. But yeah, aftermath would be cool. Or something without any of the known characters. Just use the universe in a cool way. I mean, I guess there would have to be some reference points for people to accept it . . .
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I also think he just snapped and went loco and wanted to take it out on everyone, like you were alluding to D. Vader. Kind of a space-Scrooge. But I think Robot Chicken got it right concerning Padme "LOST THE WILL TO LIVE?"
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I don't rent movies much anymore, so I don't think I'll see it until its on tv. I haven't come across any good reviews anywhere, though. But the show is great, and can be pretty ruthless at times. There's a space episode where a battleship is destroyed, so everyone hops into escape pods, but they have no power bc of the new Confederate Ion Cannon (I think). So the droids come flying out into space on little vehicles that pop open the windows of all the escape pods, leaving the troopers and survivors inside to die in the vacuum of space. Another one has a trooper going on a suicide mission to ensure something blows up and takes everyone out with him. There are many other examples of why the show is great. You should give it a try, and if you see one that isn't so good, its allright. Just stick with it, you'll find one of the gems.
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Jun 03, 2009 10:43:45 PM CDT
Well, if you want to see the insults and name-calling fly...
by d.vader
Just bring up the Transformers movie =). No seriously, please don't.
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Let's just stick with the self-fulfilling prophecy, that in trying to save her, he ended up killing her.
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I hate to keep bringing her up but the one with Ventress going in to rescue Newt Gunry (or whatever his name is) is pretty sweet. If you have seen the movie take that and reverse the cool-to-stupid ratio. Unless you catch one of the pop-up video versions where they block the action with silly facts about the show.
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Just came out on DVD. It is hilarious. So is the first one. I'm sure they will show it again on Cartoon Network again someday. But yeah, it was Dr. Ball (from the original one with the ball and needle in Leia's cell) and he jumps into different scenes bithcing how "No one ever listens to Dr. Ball!" It's good.
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Its got some great saber battles, some intrigue, some good character moments. And Asajj is sorta... uhh, sexy. In a weird, evil cartoony way, I mean.
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should never have been a 'movie'. creates too much expectation. it was after all, simply 3 episodes of the cartoon series threaded together - on those terms it is watchable, lightweight entertainment. I hear the series is quite good. I haven't seen it; I'll wait for the box set of all the episodes (there are going to be about 100 or so, I think).I like parts of Episode II; I think its best moments are noticeably stronger than anything in menace. lucas was getting a little bit of his groove back. but there is a hell of a lot of crap in there - and it is indeed, as imagin pointed out, a terribly schizophrenic movie (I do like the way star wars appropriated different classic movie genre tropes, though - in clones we have melodrama, film noir, war movie, etc., while sith has gothic horror elements - vader as frankenstein and palpatine as a vampire figure). The whole segment on tatooine is quite strong, and the clone war battle at the end is quite impressive (but too short!). John Williams score was ripped to pieces unfortunately, and ben burtt did a hatchet job on the editing (the padme family scenes needed to stay in IMO, as well as the additional political stuff and the further background on dooku - and do we really need that ridiculous slapstick droid factory sequence?)Finally, I would love to see ep. 7 - 9, but its a pipe dream. An older Han, Leia and Luke passing on to the next generation - but what would it be about - luke facing off against his son who is passing over to the dark side? there would have to be symmetry with the other trilogies - a story about 3 generations of a family, contrasted against the stagnation, destruction, and rebuilding of the republic. They shouldn't use the thrawn novels as a template - I enjoyed them, but they do re-hash parts of the OT, and they're only set 5 years after jedi anyway - should be about 30 years at least. In fairness to lucas, he is a terrific conceptualist of stories, and he did ask darabont and kasdan to write the prequels - but I think they declined, kasdan did anyway (out of weight of expectation probably). lucas gets a lot of shit, but from 71 to 83 he was a quite brilliant guy. I wonder what turn his career would have taken if he'd decided to continue directing, and directed apocalypse now, the star sequels and raiders of the lost ark, and other stuff like red tails?
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But got distracted by Conan O'Brien doing "The Year 3000" with Andy Richter on The Tonight Show (his 3rd night hosting).
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We never get that (cut) scene where its explained Dooku is one of the Lost 20 Jedi who gave up their oaths and left the order. I'd say that's important. As is most of the political stuff, but after everyone criticized the first film for being *overly* political, I can see why he cut that (and the family stuff, as much as it would have strengthened the film).
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You know, I forgot about the deleted scenes for 2. I agree with your thoughts about those being in there. Good point. And yes, in all fairness Lucas did ask for help with the writing. So I can feel good that I'm not bashing but stating fact that he's a genius except for scripts. But as I've said props to the man for many, many revolutionary achievements in film. Anyone who fought to have songs used as a soundtrack deserves respect. Just his ideas on sound in general.
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What would they be about? Star Wars is essentially about Anakin/Vader's rise and fall. With him gone, there's no real story. Or threat, now that the Empire is done. There would need to be a spectacular story to make it worthwhile, and right now I can't think of any. And if you needed to have Anakin still be a part of it, he'd have to be the Obi-Wan ghost figure. But, like I said. It needs a good story that necessitates that.
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The Jedi and the New Republic having to fight off small factions of rebels... hell, terrorists even. You can't tell me that all those people who were previously employed by the Empire are going to suddenly fold nice and neat under the Rebels new government, whatever it is. It could kind of be like the 'wars' in episodes I-VI were just a backdrop for the rise and fall of Anakin/Vader, like you said, and that they would be what WWI is to WWII. I don't like allegory that much, but you can lift heavily from reality and be interesting... have some alien planet that helped the Empire out a lot be humiliated and forced to pay reparations, ala Germany, and out of that rises a truly evil leader who also has the support of a number of less fortunate systems. The Jedi have to navigate a political minefield and not make the same mistakes that were made in the prequels. But also... GIVE IT TO ANOTHER FUCKING WRITER AND DIRECTOR. I think there are a number of stories that could be told in the Star Wars universe, and that if the TV series fails, you will see George open it up, ala Star Trek, to other filmmakers MIGHTY fast as it will finally hit home that he needs to keep his hands off his own series for it to be relevant anymore. Then again, he's so fucking rich that he could just continue doing the same shit. Seriously... it's like him and David Geffen... and then 3 billion dollars back is Spielberg.
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your post, and I am aware of the book my friend, apparantly it is one of many influences on Avatar along with John Carter of Mars, Dune, Flash Gordon etc....So what do you think of the pictures of the mech armour, the game stills, the designs etc...Asimov?
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everything I ve seen so far. Now I just really need a trailer....lol
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find it. Anyway...fair enough about not checking the stuff out, you obviously have far stronger will power than me my friend lol.
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fan. I grew up on the comics and I still have several boxes of them in storage back home in South Africa. I have waited all this time for someone to make a real Batman movie so to speak. Liked Burtons but for me they just werent realy true to the source material. But with BB and especially TDK Nolan blew me away with what he did. He will forever be one of my favourite directors for realizing the Batman universe so beautifully on screen...
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dont need to mention the Schumaker abortions....
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rocked my world in the cinema. Just saying.
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xenogenisis on youtube. Wow, its really impressive given that it was made in the 70s, and most likely on a miniscule budget. And that it was a fucking student film! You can really see Cameron's influences, and a lot of what was to come. The robot looks like the terminator HKs, and loved the old style mech armour. As you said even shades of Avatar. I really recommend everyone to check it out.
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you, I have a number of issues with AOTC, but that last 30 mins is just pure Star Wars imho...
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Xenogenesis is pretty amazing isn't it? Shows what Cameron can do on the scarcest of resources.
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Yeah the last half hour of Clones was a total throwback to the original trilogy. Great stuff.
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xenogensis. It really is like someone on youtube said, it looks like an episode of the coolest 1970s sci-fi show that never existed...
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That's the cool thing about Cameron, he throws every resource into his movie, there are no wasted opportunities. When he makes a $200 million movie you can be pretty damn sure the movie is going to look like it cost $200 million.
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if Clones was the first movie, and we never saw Anakin as a child. It just begins with him already Ben's padawan. Keep his exact origin a mystery, and then build towards the clone wars, and have that ending that is the begining of the clone wars. Then the 2nd movie should have been all about the clone wars. And they should of had Darth Maul and General Grievous as recurring villains imho...
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budget is always onscreen. I hate when you go see a massive budget movie and you cant see where the fuck the money went. Terminator: Salvation was like that for me, I really cant figure out how it cost so much, yet felt so small scale....
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director that is good at putting every cent on screen is....Michael Bay. Im no fan of his, and we could go on all night about his shortcomings, but I have to give that to him...
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For all the really great stuff there's some really bad stuff to even it all out. Lucas should have had Anakin the same age as Luke from the get go. Hanging out with Owen and Beru and the other kids, a real cool Han Solo kind of wiseass rebel. Then he gets caught up with Obi-Wan in some kind of adventure which kick-starts the Clone Wars. No need for Jar Jar Binks, Jake Lloyd or Qui-Gon. Concentrate on the Anakin/Obi-Wan relationship from the start and Episode III would have been so much powerful when they turn on each other.
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perfectly dude. How did Lucas fuck it up that way? Man, ROTS would have been so more powerful and impactful if they had concentrated on that relationship more, and if we had been able to relate to and like Anakin much more....
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Some of the things Lucas did was unforgivable really...Anakin building 3PO, 3PO already being at the Lars homestead, picking Jake Lloyd as Anakin...god it hurts to even remember all this stuff and what could have been instead.
Have you read Glenn Kenny's A Long Tima Ago in A Galaxy Not So Far Away? southafricanguy? There's an amazing essay in that book called A Big Dumb Movie About Space Wizards (Learning to cope with The Phantom Menace) that is essential reading, so funny I honestly thought my sides were going to burst. -
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It's a great read, a collection of essays on Star Wars by a whole bunch of writers. Some are serious, others moving, funny. A really good read.
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We don't *not* publish books because they have political undertones that mirror what's happening in the world today. That doesn't happen no matter what.
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Jun 04, 2009 8:43:42 AM CDT
The last 30 minutes of Clones is a good ex. of rising tension
by d.vader
You start with Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme fighting gladiatorial alien creatures. Then you ratchet it up and add Jedi to the mix, then droid armies and you have a full on battle. Then you bring in the drop ships for the rescue and slaughter of the droid armies in the arena. Then you escape with the drop ships and start attacking enemy installations. Then it turns into an all-out ground assault as the Clone Troopers go against hoards of droid battalions. Then it becomes a 2 on 1 lightsaber duel. Then a 1 on 1 lightsaber duel. And finally it culminates with Yoda showing off his saber skills for the first time ever. Like I said, its a pretty great example of escalating tension and action for the climax of a film.
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Because he thought it was better for the story, and better for the character, to see Anakin start out as an innocent child, rather then throwing an arrogant punk at us who's already close to losing his innocence. And I really can't blame him for that. It does make for a more compelling character arc when you see him start out that way and end an old man repenting for his sins.
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in his hotel room.
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Please don't tell me you're infering that the US government goes out of their way to censor/supress the insignificant little book you speak of. I mean, I know you probably like it and all...but if it had sold, THE PUBLISHERS WOULD HAVE PRINTED MORE COPIES.
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yeah anankin needed to start as a child..i agree but i wish they couldve done better..in hindsight. cant really think of how they wouldve done it..maybe did half a film as jake lloyd and then progress thru shitty montage?
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I have to say, not to be an ass, but a better actor I feel would have made us (me) bond more with young Anakin. "My name is Anakin and I'm a person" dind't help. I mean, hate Potter if you must, but those kids (meaning the first two for age comparison) did a great job. But also again, the script needed some tweaking as we all admit.
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Lucas is not really known for getting the best takes from his actors either. Jake had some good moments.
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she'll hold together.
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i sentence myself to the Pit of Karkoon
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Asimov, there was none of that going on. There was a LOT of anti-bush and anti-war publications out there. And its a book written WAY before Bush took office. If the publishing house has connections to a right-winder neo-con, you can BET YOUR ASS he'd have that published because it would MAKE HIM MONEY.
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The possibility for that happening is there, yes. But this is America and Americans put making money above pretty much anything else. I'd bet everything I own that a small book such as that, having themes similar to what was happening in the Bush-era, would NOT get republished simply because people might connect the dots and see it as Anti-Bush. Seriously, there were hundreds of books like that getting written and published and republished. Has nothing to do with the political air of the time. Has everything to do with whether or not the book sells.
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I mean, I'd bet everything I own that the REASON the book was not republished was NOT bc pple might connect the dots and see it as Anti-Bush.
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You are definitely wrong. I'm independent with mostly left-leaning tendencies.
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And I've added it to the list; thanks for the headsup.
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...that maybe YOU have some 'off the reservationn' left leaning sympathies?
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...and not without merit. I would cast myself as a liberal in more of the JFK mold...which by today's standards is definitely right of center. Most people espouse ignorant liberal viewpoints but in actuality live their own lives quite conservativley.
I'm not a card carrying republican nor would I ever be. The way I see it here is...we have the stupid party and the dangerous party. Some choice eh?
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Will you say the same thing when I am defending Transformers II I wonder =).
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The SW discussion has halted, too bad I was ready for more LOL.
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Sorry to hear that my friend, unfortunately I will never be sick of SW, not entirely anyways.So what is going on, are we discussing Avatar or just kind of kicking back and talking about whatever? I am up for anything LOL.
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Oh right, don't need a review to know that movie is going to be one steaming pile of dog shit, and I am the last person to declare a movie shit before having seen it, but in this case I cannot help it, Land Of The Lost will suck big sweaty donkey balls. When I read that they made Chaka a little pervert, I was done. Yea I know the TV show was cheesy and all of that, but they had some good stories, Larry Niven and Harlan Ellison wrote episodes for the show for god's sake, but now Hollywood has to appeal to the lowest common denominator and make this a Will Ferrell moron-a-thon. Ughhhhhhh.
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Who loves ya!
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Whooo hoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh what sweet words those are!!!!!! Hahahaha
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Amen! About to be away for a while, but hey! anytime you feel the need to talk SW shop just throw something out there and I will oblige. (Heh, I'm sure I'll do it first since I always seem to come back to the prequels for examples.) Now, I've got to get a certain wookiee home in time for the holidays! Punch it!
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we can switch and talk about indy for a few posts
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Fine by me, I love the Indy series, yet I still have not seen KOTCS, not because of the bad stuff I have heard about it, because I like to make my own judgements on things, I just have not got around to it for some reason. That being said, I love the first three Indy films, they all have their own great things about them I think. They are all quotable IMO, and I have done so on many occasions.
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Bay's movies right? I was just saying that he puts all his money on screen. What you say about the Island is true though, but then he seemed to get a lot out of transformers for 140 mil. Say what you want but Transformers looked bigger than 140 mil imho....
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Whats up bro?
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up dudes? Have either of you seen xenogenisis? I just saw it for the first time last night on youtube, its pretty damn cool.
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far as im concerned indy 4 (like T4) does nt exist...
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morning here in Korea....
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Did you read my thoughts on TS in the other TB? I'm doing fine, got my kids coming over for the weekend tomorrow, gonna go see Up on Sunday, looking forward to it. Me and my g/f want to go see The Hangover, may do that next weekend. Spent today watching Family Guy, needed some good laughs. Well like I said to SDB earlier, I have not seen Indy 4 yet, but I will despite all the bad things I have heard about it, as I like to form my own opinion, but my expectations are not high which is sad but alas I will get around to seeing it a some point.
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time with your kids, and that you enjoy Up. Well, you should see indy 4 for yourself..but prepare to be dissapointed. Yeah, I saw your thoughts on T4, and what else can be said my friend? MvG totally dropped the ball/shat the bed/ etc...
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hitfix.com and check out Moriarty's thing. He got to play the Avatar game, and he has some really interesting things to say about it. It just makes the wait for this movie all that harder imho...
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the main problem i have with INDY4 is that CRUSADE wrapped everything up nicely..i was content. 4 just seemed pointless. the story was okay, but that lightning in a bottle wasnt there. i think speilberg (and lucas) are much different people than they were in 89 and their perspectives changed. can you honesty watch the prequel trilogy and know that this man directed AMERICAN GRAFFITI?? on a shoestring budget? spielberg once said that if he made CLOSE ENCOUNTERS now, dreyfuss wouldnt have left his family behind to go with the aliens. i think that pretty much sums it up.i dont mind that hes matured but NOW spielberg couldnt direct JAWS the way YOUNG spielberg did.
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Cannot really disagree with you too much on those points. As much as I liked the PT (I know shoot me LOL) the same feeling with the OT was not there, well it was for me at some points, but not as much as with the PT. Maturing as a film maker is fine, but jeezus remember where you came from and what you did to get here. To both Spielberg and Lucas. I say George needs to let someone else do more SW movies because I for one want to see more SW up on the big screen. Like maybe an old republic trilogy or something. Lucas can have final say on stuff but please give someone else the reins, PLEASEEEEEE. Ok gotta go pick up my g/f from work, may be back later for a bit. Peace fellas.
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I enjoy it.
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I enjoy it.
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some bits are childish but as a whole there are 2.34 good films in the 3. big screen clone wars is where it derailed and got offensive..never should have been in the theaters.
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It's like Tolkien said, you don't have to dumb down shit (heh, paraphrase), kids are smart. So, fine let them want to be kid friendly (more Lucas I guess) but kids aren't stupid. My point is I was a kid when I saw SW and Indy and hearts being ripped out of chests and dark moments. I thought it was awesome. Now Spielberg would do things different. I know having a kid must change you, but stop being over-protective. Because it makes movies goofy-good instead of fucking awesome. I'm back! Lol!
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I don't want to spoil anything since we haven't all seen it, but it is weak. I want to like it, and there are some nice moments, but the problem is i just wish the whole movie was like those nice moments. And there are some pure cheap moments that were just to make people feel good but felt tacked-on. The third act was pointless. NOTHING happened. Hey critters, do this. Hey natives, redo this. Paint by numbers. And I have had it with Shia and his fast talking self. I like the guy, I really think he's good as an actor in general, but he's starting to be believe his hype and turning into a one trick pony.
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I mean, it happens to EVERYONE. People get older, their likes and dislikes and attitudes change greatly. My mom can no longer stand the sight of blood on any tv show or movie, and in the past she was always cool with it. I find myself cringing more and more at gory scenes, whereas in the past I celebrated them. Its weird. But hey man, that's just people. Happens to everyone.
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And that's why I wish Indy IV didn't exist. It's just a bad taste in my mouth. I mean they couldn't agree on the script. Heck, John Hurt talk about not liking it and he was part of it. It doesn't get a pass from me. Of course it's not the end of the world, but then again, I'm not gonna be happy about being disappointed. And not to mention Spielberg hasn't really shyed away from violence. War of the Worlds had some moments. (I guess you can say the others were more adult films.) Really Indy IV wasn't about having changed as much as the script was just thrown together. Like let's do this and get it over with so the fans will stop asking us when is the next Indy. so, I guess really the fans are to blame! Haha! Woe is me!
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yeah can you name a bad part in RAIDERS? there isnt one. that film, as with JAWS are his perfect unmatched films..not one second is forced or manipulating. just goodness. and DOOM i just love for the beginning (as they say anything goes) and the last hour. seriously once Indy fights the thuggee in his room and hangs him the film is GRAVY. CRUSADE is cute, kinda lighthearted like JEDI where they want the audience to have a nice time and it to be a pleasant time. they got a lot of lenience with Connery as his dad and i think they coasted by on that. unfornutaely they DID make Brody into a fucking drunk buffoon. and sallah too. but hey, im game.
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yeah Spiel and Luc and Ford have been prattling on and on for years that they werent gonna do one until there was a good script. and this is the best they could come up with?
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You nailed the Indy series. I loved Crusade but it was the weakest to me. And so many people hated Doom, which I just don't get. In fact just the other day I said almost verbatim what you said, about from the awesome Thuggee fight to the mine cars to the bridge, I mean come on!
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that fucking bridge scene is the shit...HANG ON LADY WE GO FOR A RIDE. its like they were writing a script just to see what they could do--as was the case with RAIDERS. PREPARE TO MEET KALI....IN HELL!
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was not very good, either. In fact, there are parts of it far worse than what ended up in the final movie. Lucas actually made a good call on rejecting it, although the final product was no great shakes, either.Crystal Skull was as lightweight as a feather - it took the worst aspects of last crusade and dialled them up a notch. I much prefer raiders and temple of doom; those were visceral, pulp adventure films, without the over-abundance of father/son thematics that spielberg shoe horns into absolutely everything, while short shrifting the adventure aspects. I struggle to remember anything from indy 4; even spielberg's lesser films of recent years or the last decade or so, like war of the worlds and the lost world had some stand out set pieces (the first reveal of the tripod in the former, and the cracking glass in the latter). Skull had nothing. It was the worst kind of film; I felt utterly indifferent to it. At least with the star wars prequels they provoked a strong reaction, one way or the other. Its clear that spielberg's heart is no longer in these types of movies, and probably hasn't been since schindler's list - therefore, he shouldn't do them.
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"You drink blood . . . you not wake up from nightmare." It's like in Empire "Two ships against a star destroyer? Yeehaw!"
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I don't have a problem with maturity or someone changing because they had a kid, I have 3 kids and I know I changed, but that is no excuse for a film maker to lose their edge, and that's what seems to have happened to Lucas and Spielberg, they softened up because they became parents. I can even understand it affecting their work to a degree, but not to the degree it has affected them.Lucas got better as the PT went on, he seemed to want to correct mistakes from the previous films (but obviously not ALL of them LOL). The romance stuff in AOTC was cheesy and could have been done better, not in such a childish way. ROTS had more of the classic SW feel to it IMO, and overall I really enjoyed the PT, probably more than I should have, but whatever I am a SW fanatic in every sense of the word so maybe I am a bit more forgiving than I should be. I even find myself enjoying TPM a lot more as time goes on, and it is the weakest movie of all 6.My kids are 9, 9, and 7 and let me tell you, they are smart kids, as much as they enjoy kid friendly dumbed down stuff, they also are smart enough to appreciate better things. I have been trying to show them movies I loved when I was younger, they absolutely loved Krull, The Karate Kid, The Neverending Story, and they are dying to see Clash Of The Titans, which they will be watching soon. Kids are smarter than people give them credit for, myself included. Last week I had a 1/2 hour discussion with my 9 year old son about video game consoles and the difference between Blu Ray and HD DVD formats.Anyways back to the discussion at hand, As I stated before I hope Lucas lets other film makers give us more SW on the big screen, the series would greatly benefit from a new perspective and we could get some really great movies, as there are a lot of SW stories out there that would make great films. Spielberg I think has some gas still left in the tank, so I haven't lost faith in him. I have not truly lost faith in Lucas, but he needs a serious kick in the ass, he is capable of more I just hope he gets his shit together.
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Well said. Spielberg needs to stop calling his old self up and trying to work it out. It's over. Enjoy your new relationship, it's pretty fucking good. I love his new "style". Indy IV just tells me he's bored with his old-style and should stop calling only to break up again, then call back and so on. Maybe he got his old self pregnant and Indy IV is child support!
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Into fucking blood fertilizer for Martian redweed. That's kinda dark.
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For Spielberg.
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That's what I was saying when you mentioned people get older and blood bothers them. I was saying that can't be used with Spielberg. Close Encounters, thank God he made that when he did, I don't think anyone could get away with that good of a movie today. "But it's just so slow!" Drives me crazy when people say that. Really just makes me sad.
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was about half good. actually, everything up until they hide out in the basement is fine. but what's with that father/son reunion ending? Utterly ridiculous, and there was a very audible groan in the theatre at that moment, when I saw it.Spielberg can't lay off these contived happy endings. Take minority report - the final voice- over of that film was supposed to tell us that the following year, after the minority report program had been abolished, that the crime rate had skyrocketed by 100%; I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like that, and Spielberg cut it out, instead leaving us with some shot of the pre-cogs all warm and cosy on some island somewhere. It seems, in his 'popcorn' films at least, that he is only willing to dip a toe into dark waters, but always pulls back at the last moment.Not that 'dark' endings are always the way to go, but things should be consistent with the tone of what's set up before. I think Spielberg is afraid of 'hurting' the audience,I really do - I don't think he does these things for commercial reasons or because he has no balls, but he honestly doesn't want to leave the audience 'depressed' or with a bleak ending hanging over them. everybody has to be redeemed; everything resolved. It just seems to be his world-view. Well steven, we can take it, you know! spielberg's problem is that he tries to please everybody, all of the time. He is a populist filmmaker in the truest sense, and I don't mean that as an insult. in the early days this worked for him, because it was coming from an honest place, but with his later works it backfires, because his own outlook is now out of synch with some of his material. hence his disinterest in crystal skull (but he obviously thought the audience demanded another indy adventure, so what the hell).
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Jun 04, 2009 10:44:31 PM CDT
I hated it in film school when pple said they thought CEOT3K
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... was boring. I'm like, seriously? You're a fucking film buff/film student and you think Close Encounters of the Third Kind is BORING? Are you outta you're fucking mind that you can't recognize *great* filmmaking right in front of you? Close Encounters is his most spiritual film, which he has also admitted to believing before. Its also his film that best explains/explores the nature of the group event and the shared group experience; for example, what happens in the movie theater when watching a great film, the relationship and bonding everyone has when sharing it. In his film, the aliens were just a metaphor for the moving picture. In one of my thesis papers, anyway.
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was about half good. actually, everything up until they hide out in the basement is fine. but what's with that father/son reunion ending? Utterly ridiculous, and there was a very audible groan in the theatre at that moment, when I saw it.Spielberg can't lay off these contived happy endings. Take minority report - the final voice- over of that film was supposed to tell us that the following year, after the minority report program had been abolished, that the crime rate had skyrocketed by 100%; I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like that, and Spielberg cut it out, instead leaving us with some shot of the pre-cogs all warm and cosy on some island somewhere. It seems, in his 'popcorn' films at least, that he is only willing to dip a toe into dark waters, but always pulls back at the last moment.Not that 'dark' endings are always the way to go, but things should be consistent with the tone of what's set up before. I think Spielberg is afraid of 'hurting' the audience,I really do - I don't think he does these things for commercial reasons or because he has no balls, but he honestly doesn't want to leave the audience 'depressed' or with a bleak ending hanging over them. everybody has to be redeemed; everything resolved. It just seems to be his world-view. Well steven, we can take it, you know! spielberg's problem is that he tries to please everybody, all of the time. He is a populist filmmaker in the truest sense, and I don't mean that as an insult. in the early days this worked for him, because it was coming from an honest place, but with his later works it backfires, because his own outlook is now out of synch with some of his material. hence his disinterest in crystal skull (but he obviously thought the audience demanded another indy adventure, so what the hell).
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I thought War Of the Worlds and Minority Report were both solid Spielberg films, not like in his heyday but damn close. Munich was good as well, and of course Saving Private Ryan.Spielberg needs to stop worrying about the audience and just make a damn movie the way he wants, and to a degree so does Lucas. They never worried about the audience before, and look what we got.With the OT, Lucas appealed to all age groups and did not have to purposely pander to them (well he did with the Ewoks, but I give him a pass with that). With the PT, he deliberately pandered to a younger audience, which is why TPM and AOTC didn't have that real SW feel to them. That is not to say I didn't enjoy the hell out of those films (it was great seeing an army of Jedi in battle, and Qui Gonn is the fucking man) but ROTS was the only film out of the PT that, for me anyways, had the feel of the OT.
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Good posts fellas.
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I thought for sure Spiels would end it with the wife and her family coming out to take in the daughter, and no one pays any attention to Cruise, leaving him outside and all alone, framed by the doorway, much like the final shot to one of Spiel's favorite movies, "The Searchers". It almost ended that way. Almost. Woulda been great.
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is what has kept me from watching it a second time. It had some cool shit, but everytime I think about that ending I just kind of . . .bleh. But I do need to watch it for the good stuff.
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for Jedi he began to sprinkle. 16 years later he unscrewed the cap and just dumped it all out.
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recommended, very cool, and damn impressive for a super low budget student film. Also amazing how many of cameron's later films are foreshadowed...
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Williams shows how genius he can be. I refer to it as his jazz score. So all over the place, and so perfect.
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I was hoping for Spielberg to show how a big alien invasion movie can be done right (erase the stink of ID4). But it just dissapointed on every level for me. Especially the script, imho Spielberg needs to stop having David"minimalist"Koepp write the scripts for his big movies. My hatred of Koepp began with how he watered down Jurrasic Park, continued when he stole so many ideas, and even some scenes, from Cameron's Spiderman scriptment, and was absolutely solidified by that joke of a script for Indy 4...
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I was hoping for Spielberg to show how a big alien invasion movie can be done right (erase the stink of ID4). But it just dissapointed on every level for me. Especially the script, imho Spielberg needs to stop having David"minimalist"Koepp write the scripts for his big movies. My hatred of Koepp began with how he watered down Jurrasic Park, continued when he stole so many ideas, and even some scenes, from Cameron's Spiderman scriptment, and was absolutely solidified by that joke of a script for Indy 4...
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I was hoping for Spielberg to show how a big alien invasion movie can be done right (erase the stink of ID4). But it just dissapointed on every level for me. Especially the script, imho Spielberg needs to stop having David"minimalist"Koepp write the scripts for his big movies. My hatred of Koepp began with how he watered down Jurrasic Park, continued when he stole so many ideas, and even some scenes, from Cameron's Spiderman scriptment, and was absolutely solidified by that joke of a script for Indy 4...
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accident...
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You know it! I have to admit to liking those damn, oh what are we calling them now, "Harvesters?" in WoW. All that blood was "sweet".
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Meaning you know it about Koepp, not your accidental triple post. Lol!
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Did you guys see "The Arrival" with Charlie Sheen and Ron Silver? I thought that was a kick ass movie. Too bad a direct to video sequel was made and sucked balls. But damn the original is freaking awesome. I just had to ask because I was looking on Netflix a minute ago and saw it and had to say something. Carry on.....
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and ideas in WOW, its a Spielberg film afterall so it can never be completely bad, but it just doesnt work as a whole imho...
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That Cruise needed to let his son go and recognize that he could be a man and find his own way in the world. Unfortunately, it had to happen at such an obviously genocidal moment that it made it hard to believe the son somehow survived. Its not impossible. Just a bit improbable. It doesnt bother me like it bothers others, bc like I said, that's the story arc for their relationship.
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the arrival is very underrated imho, a really cool little alien invasion movie, too bad it came out the same year as ID4 (even though it was the far better movie).
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The WGA fucked everyone up on that writing project and only allowed him to get credited even though it was a mixture of a LOT of previous writer's ideas. He basically did a rewrite but got all the glory.
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That I talked to AsimovLives a little about, "The Hidden". A well made sci-fi/cop/buddy/action flick. Underrated in it's time but I watched it last week and it still kicks ass.
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in movies having good screenwriters, and Koepp is one of these very mediocre writers that keeps getting big gigs. Wish Spielberg would hook up with better writers....seriously..Thats one thing that Cameron has over Lucas and Spielberg any day, he can actually write good scripts all by himself
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yep, that robot was definitely a fore-runner of Terminator's HK's. Of course, it was meant to be a full length effort, never completed, so I'm not quite sure what the entire story was supposed to be, but it was cool regardless. Have you ever read Cameron's script for 'The Crowded Room'? It's not sci fi, but a drama/thriller about a guy with multiple personality disorder, based on a true story. It was supposed to be made in '93 with John Cusack playing the lead, but it fell through because of some legal troubles. It definitely shows Cameron's skills beyond sci fi and action material -it's a very well written and ambitious script. I think he wanted to try his hand at some smaller movies that don't have many effects, something he may return to with The Dive.
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The Arrival was a nice find. Actually saw it in the theatre. WOW's end, that was why it was such a cop-out. I was like, awesome the kid has chosen most likely to die and that's brave. But oh no, here comes the fucking rainbow and the end. In real life it would be awesome, but in a scrpt where everything is controlled you have to be VERY careful about that sort of thing. The odds are against people not rolling their eyes.
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has said about the Avatar game on hitfix? He got to play it, and what he says can only make you saliviate some more lol....
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with the Avatar game......
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Close Encounters Poltergeist A.I. Ahem. Yeah the latter is based on another one, but still. The dude *can* write when he wants.
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just kidding.
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I even commented on the Avatar story.
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And Mori has some good stuff on there as well as the other bloggers.
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let Koepp off the hook for his damn limited and unimaginative approach to writing big genre movies...Jurrasic Park (which i love btw) could and should have been so much more...
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Spielberg can actually make characters better than the original author. JAWS and The Color Purple are great examples. He wrote The Goonies, too.
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Yeah, Jurassic Park had so much going for it and it just kind of dwindled. It's still a lot of fun, no doubt.
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But I just started making friends here! Woe is me! What a world! What a world!
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I see your point, but regardless of what Koepp wrote, he still didn't have final word on it, the director, or even the studio perhaps, has final say on the screenplay. All I am saying is that there's more to blame than just Koepp. If the film makers wanted more they would have asked for it, don't you think?
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Oh we are not going anywhere...lol...well I know I am not.
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Chris Columbus wrote The Goonies. But yeah, Spielberg created the story and all the characters.
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I was just referring to his ability with characters, so yeah, I did word that wrong.
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is a very bland writer,but he seems to be a great 'fixer' of threading together multiple drafts of a script into something 'presentable' and very conventional - which is probably why he keeps getting work.I like Jurassic Park, but it was clearly rushed so that Spielberg could make Schindler in time. And it really does fizzle out toward the end: 'I'm not signing off this park!' 'Not, I'm not going to, either!' (Cruise away in jeep as if they were on a pleasant drive in the country). FIN. Spielberg's third acts from the 90's on are kind of tepid - a lot of his movies just start well now and then can't tell a complete story; they just seem to wither away - whereas, Cameron's finales seem to build and build and knock you on your ass.
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had an affair in the book. It was completely uncalled for. Hooper wasn't nearly as likable in the book. The affair just sat there, no arc at all. They met it happened, end of story. No business in JAWS. So say I!
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One of the most influential movies of my upbringing.
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Granted he fixed up Lost Boys, but Crusade was the beginning of the end. Not that it wasn't good, but I feel that was the start for Lucas and Spielberg's slide. (Lucas with Jedi as far as solo.)(did you see what I did there? solo! A fucking character from SW. HAN Solo! Nevermind) I need sleep.
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From what I've heard, from all the behind the scenes stuff I've read about and watched, Spielberg did the right thing by leaving that out of the finished JAWS film (he said it made Hooper vile) and by making Hooper a likable character.
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Wow I did not know that about Jaws, I never read the book but the movie is in my top5 of all time. I may have to read the book now. I am glad Hooper was the way he was in the movie, it is a great character.
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getting close to closing time as well LOL. It's almost 1am here and I am a bit ummmmm......not all there, 'nuff said. I know I should go, but I cannot seem to pull myself away LOL.
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But Spielberg himself said he was trying to get to Schindler. Again, I watch Raiders or JAWS when I am hungry. J.P. is more of a snack. But the movie was groundbreaking, no doubt there. Kudos to them.
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Same time here. Lol! But yeah JAWS is still a great read. I read it every few years.
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says "I'm sure they will be fine without you!" Lol! Peace out! (Unless I post this and see something I must respond to.)
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And wasn't there a sub-plot about the mafia in it as well? Spielberg did right in cutting these unneccessary plot threads from the movie. A case of the movie being better than its source material. I can't say the same about JP, though (although it was certainly a decent movie) - however, I thought The Lost World was lacklustre in both novel and movie form.
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About time for closing time here as well.
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G'night boys, have a good one talk to ya tomorrow...well maybe my kids will be here, so I might not be able to pull away for too long. During the day for a bit perhaps, well my daytime (NY time). Either way, peace boys.
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rest of you guys, i didnt mean to infer that Spielberg cant write, more that he relies on sub par writers imho. Agree that he did the right thing with Jaws. But what Turd says is true JP was much bigger in scale, and more imaginative, with some really scary/tense moments. Koepp just pared it all down too much imho. Rougeleader has a point about directors maybe not asking for more, but It appears to be Koepps style. He minimizes everything, and streamlines the shit out of it (basically he dumbs it down, and blands it up). Though Turd you are so right about the lost world, the book was quite shitty, so there was little chance of it being a really good movie. But for me that is the worst movie Spielberg made imho. Its just so lazy, its him on complete autopilot. I wonder if he spent most of his time napping on that movie, because it seems like the engines running but theres no-one behind the wheel....
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but aside from his habit of tacking on happy endings, I think that he is often too prolific. A number of his movies often seem very rushed, and you often get the feeling the film was nt as good as what it could have been. Though that being said, his rushed movies are still often better than many other directors movies where they took their sweet time.
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good one. Its only afternoon here in Korea lol..
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than Jurassic Park..Catch Me if You Can also great.
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at what he does!
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I really mean no offence my friend, but the book was bad, and Spielberg was really on auto pilot for that one. The ending was just bad, the characterization is so minimal, the daughter and her gymnastics is super annoying (and oh so conveniant), and the whole movie is just a walk across an island where they encounter some dinosaurs (and thats the movie in a nutshell)
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good points about Bay, but i think its useless to discuss anything about him as you really seem to detest his movies lol. Im just more indifferent to them myself....
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about Spielberg Asimov, its true that he has done unhappy endings. Look I still think he makes some damn good movies. I dont think he has made a flat out masterpiece since SPR, but MR, CMIYC, Munich were all really good imho. The terminal was ok, but I really disliked WOTW and Indy4 was just such a letdown...
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about johnny (i call him johnny, we re cool like that), but I also really like Horner, Goldsmith, Silvestri, and brad Fiedal...to name a few...
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Tintin, im more interested in Spielberg getting moving on Lincoln and Intersteller...
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berg making Indy/JP type movies is over. He seems to have entered a kind of Autumn stage of his directing, and stuff like Munich, minority report etc..is the style that he does really well with now imho...But then he has made so many movies, and so any different types of movies, what else is there for him to do?
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for me is that it seems like he is only now entering the next phase of his career (as he has made so few films), while Spielberg has been through several phases now....
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Yes, I do believe you are right. Again, kind of goofy. I mean, Benchley had his plot and for some reason had these motivations that just weren't needed. Human nature is plenty to fuel these characters in general. I had forgotten about that little nod to the mafia.
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My mom would never let me see JAWS when I was younger so my first experience was reading the book. My friends' parents all said their kids had nightmares. Jeepers. (Nothing wrong with reading, I love to, but I wanted to SEE the movie and had to deal with the book. Which I would have read anyway.) Now, I must go look for work. Anyone want to start a company? Huzzah!
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i dunno what it is..everything you said is correct about the film..but oh so right. i think its cause goldblum is the center of the film..the film gets by on his quirky mannerisms. i like the score better too (in the car) a little darker...maybe cause ive seen jurassic park SO MANY times and its at that point where its a little too cute. y'know? i still think its good, but when i want entertainment and a little more excitement--lost world is the way to go. there are lot more people to be eaten on this one..this is something ive complained about other sequels for and i cant really expalin this one but MORE is MORE on this one.
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oh hes great--kinda fallen off a little but his early stuff-ALIENS (thats a standard now) KHAN, WILLOW, ROCKETEER, god theres so many PATRIOT GAMES, TITANIC (thats right)--unfortunately he does get a little repetitive but not as bad as Zimmer...what happened to him?
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Michael giacchino--great speed racer, incredibles, ratatouille.--real jazzy
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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Munich
War of the Worlds
The Terminal
Catch Me If You Can
Minority Report
AI
Saving Private Ryan
Amistad
The Lost World: Jurassic Park
Schindler's List
Jurassic Park
Hook
Always
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Empire of the Sun
The Color Purple
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Twilight Zone: The Movie (seg 2)
E.T
Raiders of the Lost Ark
1941
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Jaws
The Sugarland Express
Duel
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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Munich War of the Worlds The Terminal Catch Me If You Can Minority Report AI Saving Private Ryan Amistad The Lost World: Jurassic Park Schindler's List Jurassic Park Hook Always Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Empire of the Sun The Color Purple Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Twilight Zone: The Movie (seg 2) E.T Raiders of the Lost Ark 1941 Close Encounters of the Third Kind Jaws The Sugarland Express Duel
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I think, for me anyway, I find myself putting in movies on that second tier more often. For instance LotR is one of my favorites, but I feel like I really want to sit and invest the time and emotion. Movies that aren't quite as good I put in more often because I don't mind if I have to get up in the middle and do something else. Does that make any sense? Lost World, as an example, would be like a nice fix for some cool shots, the whole camper scene was great, and some cool music. Lost World score has some really nice cues in of themselves. In fact, I should listen to it, it's been a while!
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There's some ridiculous shit in it, of course, but Spielberg seems to be having his most fun ever playing with the camera and having many fun, creative shots. And as far as it being a bad adaptation goes, He and Koepp came up with the story the same time as Crichton was writing the novel. Crichton told him the basic gist and the set pieces, and Spiels took what he liked and came up with a different story.
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Its really pathetic sometimes.
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I mean, Elfman, Williams, Goldsmith, on and on. After so many movies it is understandable. However, the important thing is can they redefine themselves? All the ones I mentioned could. I didn't even realize while watching it that Elfman scored Hellboy II until the credits. That impressed me. Regardless, Horner has done some great stuff. Among those already mentioned, I love Brainstorm - especially A Gift for Karen, which is the cue for one of THE most romantic moments put to film to me (the movie is one of Walken's best roles). Of course the soundtrack was released like most back then with about 35 mintes of music. Bah!
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I am just practicing to be a comedian in ANY movie these days.
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Jun 05, 2009 10:49:35 AM CDT
Horner and Zimmer constantly reference their past works
by six demon bag
early Zimmer was good now it all souns the same..cant really remember any recent horner scores.. any help guys?
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Compare his scores to Bicentennial Man and the opening track of A Beautiful Mind. Its disgraceful. And he also ripped off William's Schindler's List theme for his Enemy at the Gates (track Tania). That said, Williams has done some wonderful music, but I find his music to be FAR more self-plagiarizing than Elfman or Williams ever is.
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have given Batman some perfect moments. As far as Horner recently? Nothing comes to mind. I do remember The Perfect Storm could have been better. Some good moments, but then Willow and Titanic showed up in the mix. As far as Zimmer I think these days he is best with a partner. Lisa Gerrard was a nice compliment for Gladiator. I liked that score.
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How is everyone getting soaces between their points. Nothing seems to be working. and . . .
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Watched an episode this morning, the season finale. During the action sequences, I heard some strains of their Batman theme, those pulsing strings. It was quite exciting. Clockwork, if you want a SPACE, you must type this: but without the spaces inbetween. If you want a break like I've done here, you type without the spaces. Class dismissed!
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that would be cool
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I have some background in SQL, does that help my image? Lol!
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Once again, you have proven your quality . . .
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The falls mainly the plain. (well, I try)
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Oh well, wasn't funyn anyway. Curse my metal body!
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here it goes---how did i do?
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i call mr williams JOHNNY cause it seems like i know him because he has been around all my life..or so it seems. granted, if i was fortuante enough to ever meet him, i would call him Mr. Williams. but he is like a family friend...with 5 academy awards.
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i agree with you about Horner. it seems that Horner and Zimmer dried up or just gave up trying to write new material. Zimmer i believe started believing his hype and lost it. he overproduces his scores WAAAy too much. its all blended and chopped like hes a fucking mix master. Horner i think can still pull it off but i cant remember for the life of me a great score thats hes done recently.
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PIRATES scores can be placed anywhere--ROCK, CON AIR, GLADIATOR, BATMAN, FACE OFF, etc etc etc. its completely interchangeable. Williams never does that. you cant switch EMPIRE for STAR WARS in my opinion.
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there is a website---filmtracks.com....amamzing
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Did Zimmer wrong you in some other life? "I have a brother!" No, you are right.
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But the prequels do jump back to Epsiode 1 a lot more than the originals to SW. But if you don't have the complete Ep 1 score, it is really good.
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The Jack Sparrow theme is a great little piece of music that would feel completely out of place in those other films you mentioned. I feel the same way about the Davy Jones theme and the one for the Kraken. The score feels way piratey.
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Yeah, there are some nice moments that took me by surprise. I love how the original opened (on Klaus' score.)
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Did you read MY post? Let me repost:
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And since I brought up Gerrard before you I didn't feel the need to repeat myself. DAMN! (just having fun)
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Williams was the only saving grace for that movie. but, because of the bad taste in my mouth, I have to keep reminding myself to listen.
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Hmmm, you've lost me. I think we got on two different tracks. I said i agreed with you about Zimmer and then this. Not sure where you are coming from. Maybe I worded something wrong.
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On what constitutes Jack Sparrow's theme, one that was introduced simply in Pirates 1 by Zimmer in Pirates 2. Its a fun, light-hearted, drunken sounding fiddle and cello. I don't think that's anywhere in The Rock.
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That's why I keep coming back. Yeah, believe it or not C.S. did have a score. I got it and had to put it in chronological order like I always do (how's that for passion) and it wasn't easy since I had tried to block the movie from my mind. LOL! I really need to give a good listen though and see what I really think. The "Call of the Crystal Skull" or whatever is kind of nice . . . I think.
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Abyss swell like he always does.
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was fucking sweet. And again, Brainstorm had a nice vibe.
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I said the Sparrow theme was introduced simply in Pirates 1 by Klaus Badelt and expanded upon greatly by Zimmer in Pirates 2.
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But I attribute most of that blame to the producers bringing him on so close to the release date.
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I love that opening from Badelt. That one hook (heh, more priates!) always works for me.
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Go to iTunes and look up Jack Sparrow's theme. The bit that will play comes from a later part in the track. What played when Jack first appeared in Pirates may have just been the "romantic Pirates of the Caribbean adventure theme" that plays throughout the film. I consider Jack's true theme to be the fiddle/cello tune that plays when Jack first sets foot on the dock. In Pirates 2, Zimmer played with that theme even more, making it a playfully drunken tune that feels like someone tripping and stumbling, trying to walk straight but going side-to-side. It then evolves into the adventure theme (I think), but its wonderfully fun. And even with all that, I have no idea what you're talking about when you say the same tune is in Batman Begins. That's just... out there. I don't hear any similarities between the scores.
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I'm referring to the literal few seconds with the "fiddle and cello" D. Vader mentioned.
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yes, yes, I was thinking Cameron and Horner and swells D-D(minor) that composers always go for. Shit, right, right. Damn I sucked on that one.
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At least I don't own Abyss. But I do have Back to the Future and Contact and Mummy Returns and Van Helsing. Damn that was bad!
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it is this theme because it is in the film...Zimmer doesnt adapt to the film hes scoring..its like he already has it written and then takes the job..BATMAN ROCK PIRATES they are interchangeable..just cause it popular doesnt me its good..what was the last good hummable theme--elfman's Batman?
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We're all film geeks here, and I have a lot of scores sitting on my computer or on my cd shelf back home. I just don't hear any similarities between Jack Sparrow's theme (or the adventure theme for that matter) with anything in Batman Begins. I know what you mean by saying a lot of Zimmer's scores have the same pomp and bombast, but I don't see the connection here.
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but haven't read it yet. Somewhere in my stacks. I thought people said it stayed fairly well with the book. No? Damn, guess I should get to reading it. I know people disliked the movie, but it hit me perfect in the theatre that afternoon. Aside from plots and acting, I think it was Zemeckis alluring me into that zone he can do so well. I liked the progression (pacing if you like) and ambiance I guess is what i'm saying.
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Pounding, heroic, all machismo. Short, though.
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There was a movie I was hoping to be dark and cool, but then it got made and well, the ladies were nice! But, as I'm sure most have said, too much shit going on. Tried to be like his Mummy movies and I think there was just too much coolness waiting to be tapped and he missed it. Anywho.
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I think a theme would have "cheapened" the tone Nolan was going for. Maybe that's not the right word. And maybe if there was a theme I would be accepting it. But Joker's mosquito note rules the day. I love it.
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That'd be the action theme. I'd say the character theme is the one that they used in that Star Trek trailer with the long notes.
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I hated Morricone's score to "Mission to Mars" the first time I saw it and for years felt contemptuously about it. Then I saw it again a few weeks ago and was surprised to find that I was enjoying the music this time around.
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But I am referring to people not liking that it had no traditional theme.
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Beetlejuice? Big Adventure is great, but I love me some Beetlejuice all 'round.
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I think that was one reason I chose other things. I will look into it. Thanks. I love books so I have too many to read so I sometimes forget I even have certain ones. Bah!
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But for over all score, I'm going with Nightmare Before Christmas.
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The one that plays as Bruce remembers his dad coming down into the well or letting him use his stethoscope to hear his heartbeat. That's good stuff.
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Was just watching The Hudsucker Proxy this morning and enjoying his score.
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What is it an Oboe? (or clarinet) that comes in on the main theme always gets me. More people should see the movie. Love it.
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I have to admit I loved Bradbury, Clarke, and even though some tell me it doesn't count, C.S. Lewis and his space trilogy as a kid. I mean for starters. I have to admit I could never get into the robot stories. (No disrepect to Mr. Asimov!)
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She did an amazing job with Beloved. Very moving. And quite eerie at times. Heh, some of it I have to dare myself to listen to with the lights off if I'm in that "scare myself" mode.
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Man, when Jessica is talking to Rob's brother after "the scene" and she tells him if she can bare it to have happened then he can bear not to tell Rob. Holy damn! "You will not! You will not tell him!" Fucking chills even now!
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has some of the best cinematography ever. I couldn't believe the ambiance of that movie. I cannot NOT give credit to the makers of that movie. I couldn't care less about Oprah, but her character, I cared a lot about. I don't get scared at movies, but that is one "ghost story" that works for me. I think because of the "reality" of it. Maybe you won't like it, but I would not let Oprah be the reason to not see it. I don't even see her when I watch it.
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but it's apples and oranges.
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yeah when hes making themes he doesnt repeat himself AT ALL. hes got STAR WARS JAWS INDY ET JP SUPERMAN CEOT3K HOME ALONE JFK..just all amazing. his later spielberg stuff is good too. i especially like CATCH ME IF YOU CAN and TERMINAL. he adapts to the theme of the film and creates FOR IT. i dont see Zimmer doing that. its all cookie cutter with him. WE NEED LOUD DRUMS HERE. EERIE STRINGS HERE. NOW LAYER THEM ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND CUT THEM UP AND FLUSH THEM THRU A SYNTHESIZER!
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beautiful track..even Forrest Gump is great (only from time to time)..
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beloved or Rob Roy---take it to the Judge...rotten tomatoes!
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Rob Roy is one of those movies you plead with people to see because you just can't explain how good it is. "Honor is the gift a man gives himself." Hell yeah.
Jessica Lange has me salivating in that movie. She is perfect playing a "perfect" female character. Damn it's time to watch it again!
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i mean the theme to BB and TDK is ok as is pirates. but overall its a no go. GLADIATOR was a ripoff of THE PLANETS though..i did like Lisa Gerrard though..shes great in pretty much anything. love her voice. mm-hmm. DEAD CAN DANCE.
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I'm just saying a lot of my friends finally watch it and agree it is very good. it is a hard movie to watch (in a good movie way) and they may never watch it again, but more times than not they are glad they saw it. (For what that's worth.) Man, when Danny Glover steps into the house and the red light reflects over him and he asks her "You got a haint in there?" Sweet chills.
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I get what your saying about the music, but the very fact that when that music hits I realized, holy shit, there hasn't been any music and it's almost like a thirsty man drinking a glass of water. It was almost a visceral experience the first time.
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True story, I got a friend of mine a b-day gift and wrapped it by putting it in a donkey pinata and gave him latex gloves, vaseline, and a note on how extract it. Anywho, that same day someone got him a baseball signed by Bay. Guess where he keeps it. right in the ass opening of the pinata. Just how about that!
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the next step in TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION:A V A T A R.December.nothing else matters
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wouldn't be as funny. And you have a point about Cast Away, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the music made it in.
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I hope you're right. I'll be checking it out.
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the reason i think there is no score on the island is that you are isolated from the world and it is just basicall tom hanks and that really adds to the performance and that section of the film. ONE OF HIS BEST. that being said i think the piece (ONLY ONE PIECE!!!) for the film is beautiful and when it enters the film i think it is perfect. actually i love that third act. his meeting with Helen Hunt and them ALMOST running off together. they know she cant. heartbreaking. his monologue to his friend. its a shame they dont have an option to not have score ina film on dvd just to see what the impact it really is. actually im for isolated scores (like they used to do on dvds) and a NO SCORE track on dvds. that would be pretty sweet.
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giving away the third act. I mean, I would have liked to have not known for sure that he makes it off the island. I would have surprised if he hadn't . . . but still, the notion that he MIGHT not make it off. Yeah, isolated scores are nice. No score in general would be an interesting experiment.
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There were some nice moments there. As always, the released score was lacking, but it was cool. Not to mention they used it in the Jurassic Park trailer, which I worked at a movie theatre that summer, and saw a zillion times.
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was way better than this shit. james cameron probably stopped watching TV once Dark Angel got cancelled. lol yea!
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He only writes what he is going to shoot...whereas Bay (and probably every other director)shoot like mad and cobble it all together, trim, re- edit etc.
Nolan is a true professional and his method is super efficient. But hey, there'e no one way to make a film. Ridley went wildly over budget and schedule with Blade Runner and for my money that is the best thing ever captured on film...but that's the exception and not the rule so bad example. -
are you actually talking about AVATAR in the AVATAR TB??? not allowed.
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You boys got your own little private tb going here... that's cool - but CAST AWAY is kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel donchathink?
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you have to admit castaway is great..whenever its on tv im hooked..thats tom hanks for you, regardless of what ronnie howard's doing with him.
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Lol - This is an equal opportunity TB.
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from your retarded mouth to your retarded ears
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this is a peaceful TB. almost 800 strong.
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I've wondered about that scene when he's in the water and turns th body of the pilot over...if he knew what it looked like before they shot it or if he went for that first time reaction. Method baby!
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Zemeckis used one of the actual Craft Servicies folk. He throttled him in his sleep and let him bloat in the sun. An unsuspecting Hanks flipped him over . . . and there! hanging in the Fed-Ex doorway . . . (quickly revealing my hand from my jacket) was the solar-powered cell phone from the Fed-Ex Box Hanks delivered at the end!
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Castaway! It is indeed Cast Away.
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yeah i know about cast away, but i dont punctuate or capitalize. ill try harder next time
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gives it a little more punch.
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SEE THAT YOU DO! Lol! yeah, I was just trying to show off my Hanks movie-titles skills. I suck. And yes, that was the first thing I liked about the movie when I saw it - the pause before "away" came up. I was like "Oh, hadn't really thought about it like that." nice!
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wishes it had a sequence as terrifying as that plane crash and Hanks on that raft at night.
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ive actually never seen it. i have seen the big upheaval wave from the preview..i mean how could i miss that? i dunno, it just looked fake. i heard the acting was pretty good. its got fichtner and reilly and mastritonio? shit thats where she went! anyway. in cast away YOU ARE THERE. just seeing half of the plane sink to the bottom..just fading away--gives me chills. as i said when its on, i cant stop watching it, much to the dismay of my wife.
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I like Perfect Storm, but I love the ocean and boats and all that. You should give it a try. if only for Diane Lane (sigh). The storm is done fairly well, and probably more realistic than we might think. the book describes all the water as being very grey, but it's not terrifying like Cast Away, but still a pretty good movie.
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It's THE Perfect Storm!
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does perfect storm or cast away have to do with anything concerning AVATAR
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george clooney was in perfect storm. he was also in solaris produced by cameron. cast away had a "score" by alan silvestri who also did the abyss directed by cameron. there.
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You don't need Solaris. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was in The Perfect Storm.
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nice.
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dammit she needs to do more acting.
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Jun 05, 2009 7:15:54 PM CDT
This TB will be dead within a week. Get real....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Its not fucking Bale you're talking about.
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The minute a new Avatar thread is created, we will all probably jump ship.
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Where have you been Danny? The TBs have missed your acerbic wit.
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Jun 05, 2009 7:53:32 PM CDT
DGDB has been fighting jerkoff wannabes in carradine TBs
by six demon bag
unoriginal bastards riding peoples coattails.
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Just practicing.
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See, just like Israelites. Baal worship! Get it! get it! Ah, forget it! Where's my dear, sweet Bubo?
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nice RAIDERS ref
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"Frodo, he's left you baguettes!"
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now let's get in there and save Gracie Law!
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1.Empire- anyone notice how it takes place in the shortest time frame of all the movies?
2.Jedi- This is personal preference ranking here but this one i always had a nostalgic bit with since it's the only one i saw in the 97 re-releases though i left during the ending battles since i had to take a piss but i love it anyway. I also like how by the end they're already old friends and have a built up rapport together.
3.Wars- Pretty good too and would probably be 2 but i liked Jedis' more action packed thing going on.
4.Sith- The prequels are a big dropoff point. I like this one solely and only for McDiarmid who i'm rooting throughout the whole movie basically. He's the hero as far as i'm concerned and all the others are so unlikable and whiny, he's so calm and collected and nice and has his shit together no wonder he won. It was time to clean house anyway, republic was too corrupt and fat. Kind of reminds me of the fall of the Russian Empire and start of the Soviet Union.
5.Menace- Qui Gonn was pretty good, Darth Maul too.
6.Clones- Clowns more like it. This is awful through and through. Hayden at his most annoying, awful cartoony action, only thing it has going for it is Chris Lee who can't save it anyway. I hate sand because its sandy unlike you who are smooth. oh boy -
the dude in When a Stranger Calls, when he says, "Why haven't you checked the children?"
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i could go either waay..depends on what im looking for..
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I'm with you on Clones. Not much for me there. Some don't agree, but I would love to have seen Ventress.
also, in Sith, not to rag on her, but when Padme's on the balcony "I want to have the baby on Naboo" and she turns towards the camera, I can't help but do a big Hisssssss! sound. She looks dreadful! And Portman is not an ugly lady. Just surprises me. -
damn, I thought that was pretty good. Well, it will hit you next time you're in the bakery.
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see, Bilbo left Frodo "Bag-end". Baugettes is pronounced "Bag-ets" So it sounds a lot like the ori- (sacking sound)
we would like to apologize for the ridiculous post and are making sure this type of tripe never finds its (more sacking)
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Avatar. In recent interviews Horner has revealed that he is going non-traditional, not useing string/wood instumnents. He is apparantly incorporating the Na'vi language being sung into his score, and will be useing electronic and synthetic sounds. Who the fuck knows if it will result in a good soundtrack, but im at least happy that he is trying to push himself and try something different...
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you doing? Cool about your comments re the lost world SDB, we all have those movies that are nt really good, but we like em anyway lol..
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is anyone else really happy that Del Toro is doing the Hobbit? And Im not even a particular fan of Tolkien (actually i dont like the LOTR books), but i did like the hobbit book. I have a mixed attitude to Jackson, I htink hes very talented (and you can never take away from what he accomplished with LOTR), and he has made some damn good movies (heavenly creatures, FOTR imho..), but I think his horror stuff is just ok, and KK was too self-indulgent for me. Also just not interested in Tintin....
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Cameron seems to confirm that we will see Avatar footage this Summer.
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I agree that its quite a visceral change once the music starts playing. I'm thinking of those scenes at sea where its just Hanks rowing around and the music plays. It works for the context. Once Hanks is free of the island, the music is free to play. It doesn't ruin the film one bit.
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ect your opinions, so please know that I mean no offence when I say that maybe you take a few things a bit too seriously. SDB did not mean any insult or disrespect towards Williams. In English its a sign of fondness/endearment to refer to a famous person in such a casual manner. Perhaps it is different in your culture my friend. Anyway...hows it going Asimov? Have you seen T4 yet? Im actually still waiting to hear your thoughts on it buddy....
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I am a big Tolkien fan and Jackson fan. Del Toro has the imagination. Now, he does use the 3 acts of a script a little different than I think we are used to, which is fine. I hope since The Hobbit is already there he will just follow the long and winding road. I wish it were Jackson, but Del Toro does have a wicked sense of "darkness" shall we say. So, I have hope it will be cool.
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I think I would have felt "Meh" about the Hobbit no matter who they chose to direct it. Cept for maybe Spielberg. Or Peter Weir.
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Not as solid as I wanted but when it worked it was pretty damn solid. I loved how they did "death". And it was a cool role for J. Fox in my opinion.
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Bc we're cool like that.
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YOU FUCKING BITCH MAKING GREEDO SHOOT FIRST WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING!!
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Del Toro i think will be fine with the hobbit. im just kinda bummed that Jackson couldnt take time to complete "his "vision. Del toro's and jackson's creatures are a little different. we'll see i guess.but why are they stretching it out to 2 films, other than they want a cash grab?
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i think it was cause of Contact.back on Zemeckis!!!
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is the best possible choice for The Hobbit apart from Jackson - and maybe even more so since the inter-change between these two talented filmmakers may bring something fresh and unexpected. I'm indifferent about his english language films, but Pan's Labyrinth was all I needed to see to convince me that he was the right man for the job - a very gritty fantasty movie, dark but also very emotional and hopeful, and not in a cheap way either. If he can take that and move up into this epic level of filmmaking, we are in for something special.As for Jackson himself, he is, in my humble opinion, second only to Cameron as someone who can deliver ambitious epic scale filmmaking (Spielberg was once in this club, but after too many disappointments and phoned-in work, he has dropped off). These are the kinds of guys who can make art out of big summer/winter movies, not the Bays and Sommers of this world. Don't care too much for Tin Tin either (never read the books), but that may change when it comes out. But I am looking forward to The Lovely Bones - which I suspect will be Heavenly Creatures on a bigger scale. And I really like a lot of Kong - it's definitely indulgent, and another couple of months of editing would have flayed it into shape, but its a quality type of indulgence - a talented filmmaker getting carried away by his passion for the material and all the tools in the filmmaking box.BTW, southafricanguy, have you heard the rumours that Avatar is supposedly 189 mins long? I hope so - the more epic the better, and Avatar is the kind of movie that needs to be told on a grand scale, not hacked down for the ADD teenage crowd.
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not a cash grab in my opinion. The Hobbit is more slender than LOTR, but still would take longer than you think to fit in most of the book's incidents. And factor in that they are including additional material about the White Council's attacks on Dol Guldur, etc, and what Gandalf gets up to in his absences from the book. (I hope Christopher Lee lives for another few years so he can play the uncorrupted Saruman). So it will definitely have to be split in 2.
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would be nice but probably not. i think that would doom it profitwise. i dont think audiences would handle it well.but it is Cameron, he really doesnt compromise and he might throw it out there at 3 hours.
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The Hobbit is structured very differently than any of the LOTR books and makes a harder translation to film. I don't mind 2 more Tolkien films, and I'm happier the 2 will be The Hobbit instead of the book making the first film and madeup material (the original plan) making up the 2nd. Come on, I don't think anyone can be upset with that decision.
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i hadnt known they changed it...i thought Hobbit one film and then another film inspired by tolkien works. which wouldve reminded me of those soundtracks that have songs"INSPIRED" for the film and they really dont have anything to do with it--just a collection of HOT BANDS!!! rock on.
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when Gandalf mentions the Necromancer. Too cool.
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I asked this before in anther post and no one saw it/or cared (lol) but anyone tell me a better dragon put on film. (Cartoons do not count.) When I heard Del Toro mention his love for that dragon I started to feel better. Bring on Smaug!
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I wouldn't be shocked if Cameron made Avatar three hours. Titanic was practically 3 1/2 hours and is the highest grossing film ever. I personally believe that, unless it is animated, longer films are better and financially more successful.
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Oh shit! The Necromancer is mothafuckin' SAURON! RUN AWAY!
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Have you seen that? Kind of a prequel, if you will, to Pan's Lab from what I've heard as far as the mythology. I got it from Netflix but have yet to watch it.
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Hell, King was almost 3 1/2, too. I think people don't care about length if it fuck'n rawks!
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Yeah, Jake Busey does that to a lot of us. Jackson worked that mug to great advantage in Frighteners.
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Apparently Cameron told Kneighly that Ubisoft was planning on revealing footage of the game publicly sometime during the summer. When asked if there'd be footage from the movie, Cameron laughed and said sure! Marketsaw has links and video to all this shit! Impressions seem to be the game is looking like your typical third person shooter, but the 3D is amazing! ONly downside is that you're going to need one of those really fucking expensive HDTVs to be capable of running it... I think it has to do with requiring a high refresh rate to project both polarized images for the stereoscopic effect... Damn it!
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yeah I ve heard about Avatar being 189 mins, personally I hope thats true. The more epic, the longer the running time needed to flesh out the world, deepen the characters etc...And I agree that if the movie is as good as we are all hoping then there is no reason that running time would be a problem. Lets remember titanic, LOTR, etc....
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as an extended version on Dvd eventually, similar to LOTR....
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images, and all the damn interesting info coming from Cameron himself, it would be really awsome to see some actual footage now.....
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"stargate:atlantis is better than this shit" comment. Hilarious, so he's seen Avatar? How else does he know stargate atlantis (which ive never seen) is better? Iv e seen little snippets of Stargate here and there, and advertisments, but personally i have never seen anything that looked anywhere half as cool as the designs ive seen for Avatar so far. Just out of curiosity, how many people here think Avatar will be better than Stargate: Atlantis?.....Im just wondering if im missing out on some seriously awsome tv show here...
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signed with CAA personally, he has signed with them to sell the technology that him and Pace invented/developed.
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labrinyth. Really good movie, I also thought Hellboy 2 was pretty good (was never that crazy about the first). I think that Jackson and Del Toro's styles will complement each others imho...And I like that Del Toro will bring Doug Jones, Ron Perlman, and Mike Mignola on board along with all the other LOTR vetrens. I think it will help give the Hobbit a different look and feel, while staying consistent with the pre-established look imho...
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some really interesting comments about film dragons and Del Toro. Personally I liked the dragon from dragonheart. The movie is complete crap, but I like the design of the dragon, and how much cooler can you get than adragon voiced by sean connery? Though there is a lot of room to do the definitive dragon on screen still imho...
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dude, and even buy him a gift for saving you from T4, salvation indeed lol...
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very distant second for me to sci-fi. Though imho the Hobbit is by far the most interesting/exciting fantasy project thats in the pipeline, but M.Night's the last airbender could be amazing,or complete shit. To be honest, with him it could go either way these days...And imho Avatar is by far the most mouth watering sci-fi coming our way. Followed by district 9....
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at least wait until REDBOX and its $1 or HBO...or TNT
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That's right. I love that dragon. It's almost like CGI isn't the answer to everything. Thanks for reminding me about his name.
The only thing I didn't like about Dragonslayer was the fact that they used Christianity, or any actual religion. Wish they had stuck pure fantasy. But man that score was pretty interesting too. Need to see if I can find it. Bring on the Blu! -
Just popping by to provide a bit of schooling for you pups.
Sorry boys, you can't diss T4 and big-up CAST AWAY. That extended action sequence starting with the giant Harvester, to the mototerminator highway chase, to the bridge being blasted by the hunter killer was all kinds of awesome - and that ten minutes alone utterly trumps the entirety of CAST AWAY.
On the subject of dragons not one of you mentions Lord Bale in REIGN OF FIRE. Some great, realistic looking beasties that blow away the CGI DRAGONHEART (sorry SAG, but the CGI in that film looked fake as it comes).
I agree with you on DRAGONSLAYER though, very good fx. Also for cartoon Dragons FLIGHT OF DRAGONS and Disney's SLEEPING BEAUTY are both great examples. -
ps. Jeremy Irons to voice Smaug in THE HOBBIT (if they keep that he talks).
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had we never seen a giant robot chase a truck before or a subpar road warrior chase, it MIGHT have been impressive. but since the ENTIRE film was a collage of film references and been there, done that stunts and convenient plot devices. alas it was not impressive.for reasons other than that FANTASTIC plane crash,
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Reign of Fire, for what they could show, did a really good job. No matter about the movie, they did a good job there. I was thinking of the cartoons you mentioned which is why I said no cartoons. Have you seen Sleeping Beauty on Blu? It is incredible.
Maleficent is my favorite Disney villain. She is so damn cool. Scared me when I was a kid. And when she said " . . . powers of HELL" as she turned I was blown away, then and now.
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Falcor was the greatest dragon of them all. just so big and fluffy. i just wanted to cuddle around his neck!!! sigh.
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sir connery was charismatic in that and actually its the one cage action film i like..time and again i need a little cona ir though. guilty pleasure at least the rock is..ah yoda.
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No, see that's my problem. It's too heavy handed. That's where allegory comes in. I mean what if Star Wars had used a real religion. It would have sucked. The use of something real in a fantasy world reeks of "the audience is too stupid to see look deeper into the story."
It's like a wizard being stopped by the IRS because of tax evasion. It just doesn't fit. Takes me out of the world.
Not to mention it's not Christianity that needs be berated, it's the people who use it for their own selfish reasons, like war, power, money that needs berating. Why does "Love Thy Neighbor" need to be berated?
I know you probably weren't saying what I was complaining about, I just have a real problem with "Christians" because they make Christians look to be hypocrites and a true Christian is the exact opposite.
Lol - Thus concludes today's sermon! -
Talk about taking me out of the fantasy world, I didn't see a Dragon, I saw Sean Connery in a sound-booth. Spielberg used to play it right by not using big names in his movies because it can be a distraction.
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Who wouldn't want a Falcor! have you seen the game trailer for The Last Guardian? You need to see it. You'll understand why. It's from the guy who did Shadow of the Colossus which is so damn cool. Even if one doesn't like playing it, it is an amazing game. Last Guardian justs up the ante in the "beautiful" department. (From what I have seen.)
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in scottish brogue, naturally.
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I understand what you are saying and I agree as far as RELIGION. That has always been the problem. When I say "true Christian" I mean that Christ taught tolerance and loving thy neighbor. You refer to the chruch and its traditions. Like Easter. Easter and its practices have nothing to do with what Christ taught.
Give me an example of Christ's words and we can debate. You are giving me examples of churches' dogma and such.
Christ Himself whipped the priest out of the temple. He was not fond at all of church tradition.
I know the hypocrisy of religion. That was my point. It is not hypocrisy for me to say I believe in Christ and then to follow His commandments. It would be for me to say that YOU or anyone else MUST believe what I believe. I, personally don't do that.
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cam AFTER the movies that created it. Liek people have a Matrix religion. But if Star Wars had called the Force Taoism, or even Christianity for that matter, it would have sucked in my opinion.
I have absolutely no problem with a movie berated any religion, I just like fantasy to be fantasy. I don't the reverse, a movie having fantasy elements, like Pan's Lab, but like I said, I don't something liek Han Solo stopping into a space McDonalds. It has nothing to do with whether it's religion touched on or not.
I am certianly not saying you are wrong in liking it referenced. I like medium-rare you like well done and so on. No big deal. -
I don't mind fantasy elements in a movie based in the real world. But I don't want to see Skywalker twittering while drinking a Big Gulp.
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Fuuuck. AsimovLives you're talking a lot of shit. Not about christianity, but about THE ROCK being a bad movie. It was actually pretty fucking decent.
Clockwork, yeah Blu Ray of SLEEPING BEAUTY is a thing of beauty. Possibly the best looking Blu on the market.
Christianity in fantasy films means fuck all. BEOWULF had it and DRAGONSLAYER had it. They're both decent movies.
Finally, Six Demon Bag, you're a nice guy but fucking CAST AWAY is not cool in ANY way. You shamed yourself with that one buddy. Say 10 hail Bale's and promise not to watch it again. -
Disney did release the movie Priest, through Miramax, in 1994. If I remember correctly, that film was very critical of Christianity. Of course, Disney then got chicken after the controversy over that film.
As far as The Rock goes, I hate that film. It still has the most meaningless action scene I have ever seen. That car chase through San Francisco is purposeless. Connery and Cage seemingly destroy half the city and endanger hundreds of people just so Sean can visit his granddaughter. Now, you want me to root for them. I sort of wanted Ed Harris to succeed after that. -
Just want to make sure I am being clear: I am not offended that they used an actual religion in the movie. I am only speaking from a preference point of view. SW uses the force and let's everyone apply it however they like.
But next time I watch Dragonslayer I will take into account your point and maybe I will see it as the director meant it. If the movie was trying to make a point about religion, that could work. I only saw it as something of the real world (so to speak) in my fantsy movie. And in all honesty, I haven't seen it in many years, and it might play on a different level now. So really, thanks! You have motivated me to watch it soon.
It could be like watching the Wizard of Oz once you know to look for the political allegory and satire. (or maybe I'll watch D.S. with some Pink Floyd!) -
Asimov wtf. What's all this shit about 'a European perspective'. No way Jose, don't fucking go there. We all know your Portugese and proud, so what - THE ROCK and BEOWULF are too anglo saxon for your sensibility?
My 3 favourite movies are SEVEN SAMURAI, MAD MAX 2 ROAD WARRIOR, and ROBOCOP - made by a Jap, an Aussie, and a Dutchman. Film knows no international boundaries, stop acting like it does. -
Of course it's people. When I say church and its dogma obviously it's people. But most church dogma has nothing to do with the words of Christ. That is my point. Christ would never have approved of the Crusades. How can you not get my distinction? If the early church had gone with tolerance and love they neighbor history would have been different. What they did is the exact OPPOSITE. A tree is known by its fruit. You can't call yourself a Christian(or a practicing one)and think you have the right to be the moral police. Christ never was about forcing any belief. Again, give me an example of Christ's word, not some church doctrine, which 95% is NOT Christ's words. After all it was the church and its system that wanted to murder Christ time and time again. Does that sound like love? It was all about money and power just like today.
Ciaphas the high priest of the day was appointed by Rome. he was a sheep in wolves clothing. He wasn't a true Levitical priest.
you think just because a church system claims a Rapture that I believe it's true? most churches won't accept that this planet is billions of years old, but the Bible certainly does. Again, I'm not syaing you have to believe the Bible, but please, just because some church says something is true or false has nothing to do with what the very Book they believe in says. So your histotical references are correct in that they were horrible deeds done in the name of God, but anyone can use the name of anything to make excuses. It's the actions that tell us who/what a person is.
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Anyone notice that Cameron seems to have put on a few pounds? I only bring it up as we all know how he hates women to have any weight on them. Talk about hypocrisy! But I will STILL see AVATAR!
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"Cameron...we all know how he hates women..."
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Didn't want people to think I was proselytizing with recent posts. Just trying to get back on AVATAR. Lol! I'm so weak!
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'Cameron beats women'. 'Cameron hates fat chicks'. bleh. Stop pulling things out of your collective asses.BTW, Cobra-Kai -Castaway IS better than T4....because even a red hot branding iron to the balls is better than T4! Fuck Bale as well. take all that shit to 'ain't it bale news'....where it belongs.
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is Bay's best movie, but that's like saying losing an arm is preferable to losing a leg. It does have Michael Biehn in it, though - always a plus point.
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I was kind of being stupid. I noticed he put on a few pounds. I don't ACTUALLY care. I was just changing the subject. HOLY FUCK!
lol - now, who wants some peanuts? (anyone tell me which MST3k that came from?)
So is T4 not even worth it for the "action scenes"? Is it really that much of disappointment? Or better put, is it THAT bad of a movie? Or is just the disappointment factor?
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It's a bag of shite.I want to go into detail to back that comment up but I'm just too traumatised at the moment.
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Heavy Metal, along with Fincher, Snyder, Verbinski, and others yet undeclared, and will also co-produce with Fincher. The original was animation, wasn't it? Is this version going to be live action? Cameron teaming up with Fincher could be outstanding, though. Fincher needs to do Rendez-vous with Rama. What happened to that?
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Fincher was talking about Rendezvous with Rama? Holy mug that would/could be cool.
As far as Heavy Metal it doesn't need a remake (here we go again!), but I can't say I wasn't excited when I first heard them talk about it. I hope they just mean remake in the spirit of the first one. -
was scheduled to be made for quite a while, but unfortunately it seems to have been canned, for whatever reason. Fincher's got a lot of projects lined up, though (Black Hole, Torso, The Goon, Chef, etc.), so it's all up in the air.As for Heavy Metal, not sure if it's a straight remake or not, or even the same stories. But anything with certain directors at the helm I'll look forward to. Maybe Ridley Scott is one of the other guys (apparently they haven't signed yet, but they're big names). After all, Alien and all its Moebius inspired art direction took a lot of its cues from that style.
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It would have to be live action. Otherwise, what would be the point of assembling such a diverse set of directors.
Heavy Metal was a 70's anthology magazine that specialized in sci-fi and fantasy stories. The new film would not be remaking the stories in the previous film but would have all-new stories that are in the vein of the magazine.
Last I heard, Fincher was having a difficult time getting funding for Rama from Paramount. They were aprehensive of spending $100 million dollars or more for a film where not much happens except the discovery and exploration of an alien ship. A similar problem derailed the proposed Myst film in the late 90's. -
trumpy?
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its pretty standard action stuff...stuff you've seen before and performed better in superior films..brings nothing new to the table in science fiction or action or TERMINATOR..shame all around. except anton yelchin.
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in my best Michael Caine Batman Begins accents--"nev-ah"
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no way! My friends and I always use Caine in Begins and "neh-vah!" Much like Sean Connery, he seems to have a piece of juicy steak in his mouth when he says that. That is too funny! Can't wait to tell them we are not alone! Lol!
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best part of the film i must say
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Good guess. But I was making reference to Merlin's Mystical Shop of Wonders the second story with the toy monkey. The father is visiting the medium lady on the park bench and her acting is so over the top. "DAVID, GET THAT THING OUT OF YOUR HOUSE!" And then she is calm and pulling something out of her purse to which Crow says in a very calm voice, "Here, you want some peanuts?"
Obviously it plays better when you watch it. But good ol' Trumpy, "you can do stupid things!" -
At the party when Dent meets Alfred, and Dent says "You've known her all her life." Alfred replies "Not yet, sir. (neh-vah!)" Is that foreshadowing or not? I think, since it is a script, it has to be. In fact when I heard that line I was convinved Rachel was going to die. I had been telling everyone months before that needed to happen to make it really dark. My friend thinks it is just Alfred being cleh-vah!
But, again, since it is written dialogue, and the Nolan's knew the future of the movie, that it was was a clever way to use some foreshadowing. Because the very idea of saying I haven't known her all her life, YET, points to the idea, in general, that whenever she dies, only then can he truly say that.
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by an eager, but unfortunately inexperienced lover. More to come.
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Anyone notice that just like in Burton's Batman, Joker and Bruce use the same lines and both toss their champagne from their glasses? (I know it's not the exact same actions in both movies, but the "mimicking" of each other is used in both.)
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agree with you on the Caine thing..i think it was clever foreshadowing but also him being cle-vah..like a little aside to DEnt that he's not just a butler.
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I nearly shat my pants when in the beginning in some haunted house thing someone makes this "EEEEEHHHHHHH" noise which gets higher and then Mike repeats the same noise but it getting lower.
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Lol! And all the Merlin stuff is too funny. "Look at all those Gordita-wrappers! What have I been doing!" "I bid you lick me!" And of course, "You're welcome!" Over and over again. I love that show.
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fuck i forgot the line "alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival." WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT??? why alter that? it was great the way they had it. it doesnt even sound like jones!!! i liked it better with the whole vader just had a really shitty day--"bring my shuttle"also Lando and Boba Fett eyes meeting as Han Solo screams in agony...great stuff.
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a broken record, but that line "bring my shuttle" was always one of my favorite deliveries. It irks me to no end with that "alert mah staaaaah destroyer . . ."
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I swear they put one in and then took it out for the DVD when he drops away from Vader. Am I wrong? Doesn't one version have him yelling like "Geronimooooo!" (well, not literally, but he did scream.)
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Love the composer discussion, Asimov, SDB, Clockwork et al! Vermithrax - yes, best film dragon ever. I don't think Del Toro will go that serious a dragon with The Hobbit, but I hope he takes considerable inspiration from the Vermithrax design/presentation.
Also, SAG, along with 1) Avatar followed by 2) District 9, you have to have some interest in 3) The Road. My top 3 movies to see in the theater for this year. -
Did a quick search . . . interesting.
Thanks for the head's-up.
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yeah that DID suck...thank god Lucas revised it again and took it out. it was in the theatricl realease in 97 and on VHS tapes...not on dvds. thank christ.what was he thinking? what possible good comes from changing the audio with vader and adding a scream as luke drops? Luke, for all we know couldve been thinking about joing the dark side and slipped...kidding of course. i just like how luke accepted his fate and let go...silently. but vaders delivery is botched in the dubbing of the spec ed.all in all--EMPIRE is the best dvd to watch special edition. they really didnt fuck it up too much..hate the new JEDI shit and new HOPE shit. i actually miss Lapti Nek and "celebrate the love" at the end..i will never forget!
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the feel good film of the year!speaking of--they have on youtube railers for THE SHINING that make it look like a heartwarming family film. lmao!
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I've been busy with other things. Used to follow movies everyday. I seem to remember The Road now that it was brought up. I mean hearing about it.
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The original song is much better. Lucas should fix the romance in Clones and leave the original trilogy alone. I hope he doesn't mess it up some more in the 3-D versions.
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needed! Yeah. I will say I enjoy the extra dog-fight shots in Star Wars, and I really like the Banthas in Jedi marching toward the Sarlacc.
But I cannot stand a young Anakin at the end of Jedi! WTF! Then make young Obi-Wan to balance it! But really, leave them old. That's just goofy! -
Bringing families together for generations.
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I like Yub Nub too, but Williams' music is a more fitting end for the saga.
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i dont like the added shit in ms eisley all flying around...but JEDI is the worst cause i think its not needed at all(come to think of it none of it was)--young anakin (which just started a nerd debate), the audrey II plant coming out of sarlaac, the whole musical interlude in jabbas palace was HORRIBLE. they even turned boba fett into a joke (if thats possible)--he was a mercenary just doing a job, now he seems like hes jabba's errand bitch. argh. sorry.
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weesa free!! that just set back the civil rights movement there. i hope youre happy george.
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yeah it was one of those films that fell of the radar. i thinkit was supposed to come out like a year ago and they kept pushing it back..had i not seen a misleading trailer on a certain website i too wouldve forgotten about it. no harm.
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Really. I mean he's always standing around Jabba. Then he goes and gets Han. Then it's right back to clocking in at Jabba's palace. Maybe he's hoping to run into his mom, June Fett!
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grotesque, fat, belly dancer? I swear I have to look away for a few more seconds during Jabba's Palace. I mean, right before I have to cover my ears and run screaming from the stupid "Hoo, Nee, Hab!" Or whatever that demented reject from Braid thing yells.
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yeah its good but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that films can be rewritten like that. thank god im a pack rat and still own my anthology soundtrack so i can listen to lapti nek ad naseum. when they released the 2-discs of the OT i dropped my VHS widescreens of the OT. kept the FROM STAR WARS TO JEDI doc though. they should release the making-of docs just for shits and giggles but i know they wont--all the shit they bragged about in them just got wiped out due to CGI. sigh.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U_sNIlB7ak
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i refuse to watch JEDI in spec ed. on dvd. i cant bring myself to do it. out of respect for my childhood AND my children.
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yeah that things got like 8 tits!!! they actually made the costume that way. why the fuck do i know this?
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Am I the only one who doesn't mind the fact that they make it look like The Day After Tomorrow? I mean if that means more people will check the movie out then what is the harm. I actually wish Children of Men had a better trailer. Maybe, more people would have checked it out in theaters. Of course, the Christmas release date did it no favors.
http://tinyurl.com/656hgl
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Damn if I didn't mean to watch Children of Men and just forgot. Get that in my Queueueuuuuee (sp?) posthaste.
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I remember one year, I was like 5, my mom got me a stormtrooper mask, you know with the elastic band that catches your hair while your face melts and you try not to suffocate and she made a gold shower curtain (not golden!) into a cape. LOL! WOOO! Weak, WEEEAAK!!!!
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bee-uuu-ti--ful. just a great film, to thnk i had to recommend that to a lot of people. favorite things about the film--the use of sound..like when the bomb goes off theres a little ringing. it comes back in the end. just great all around. once again--the great michael caine.
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cheap plastic with the elastic band..check. maybe the whole thing with outfit cost 6.99
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Anytime I can remind someone about Children of Men, I feel I have done the world a service.
Halloween...I was Gizmo, Casper, Voltron, generic clown, The Karate Kid and Freddy Krueger. I am missing a couple but I can't remember right now. They were all cheap except for Fred. -
wow, you guys have been busy at this talkback lol. Anyway...have any of you guys checked out the trailer for the Star Wars:the old Republic game? Holy Shit! If only the prequal trilogy had been half as cool as that....
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involved in a new Heavy Metal. Now that is fucking cool news imho....
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corny, but its really cool to see everyone just having good film discussion/debate with no personal attacks/flame wars. Imho this is how talkback should be....
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you my friend. Anyone else be warned of possible spoilers regarding Avatar. Turd...I know you, like me, have read the old scriptment and have followed the development of it very closely, so you really know what you are talking about regarding Avatar. And since Cameron has now spoken publicly about sequals, and about devlping ideas for them in tandem with ubisoft, what do you think an Avatar sequal would entail? I have nt really been able to think of any place where I could see it going based on the ending of the old scriptment....
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imagination, but I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter Turd....
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Hey man. I do remember The Creeping Terror, but it has been a while.
The Old Republic trailer is indeed incredible, lol, I think everyone I've heard has the same reaction that you did.
Well, I had fallen asleep reading The Stand, only read it once when I was in high school, so decided it was time. Maybe it's prophetic! Anywho, I'm crashing, but wanted to say howdy!
And not corny at all. Always fun to geek-out with folks who share a love of . . . whatever the heck we all seem to care about here. Lol!
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here (afternoon actually). Fuck man that game trailer puts Lucas to shame, an incredible argument if ever there was one that Star Wars need to be given to a someone else to make....
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Even though I gave you the link like two days ago. ;) That game looks terrific.
Oh, and thanks for that correction on Cameron and CAA. I didn't notice the update at MarketSaw. I still think that Cameron is going to go full tilt after Avatar. His joining Heavy Metal, I think, proves he is going to do a lot more directing. -
Just kidding, but it does seem like that sometimes. Perhaps Lucas brought it on himself with his obsessive compulsive need to continually 'fix' things. I like some of the special edition changes, though - especially the expanded vistas of cloud city, and the death star battle's new x-wing/tie fighter shots. And I prefer the new music at the end of jedi to yub nub - which is just too frivolous to round off the saga. Getting rid of Lapti Nek was unforgiveable, though. And why didn't Lucas change stuff that actually needed it, like Luke's white sabre aboard the Falcon, or Vader gesturing to Tarkin when no sound is coming out his mouth(!)? Some of the additions are very cheap, like using outtakes from Jedi when Vader boards his star destroyer in Empire. We really need to see deleted scenes from the OT, though - Jedi sandstorm, Vader choking Jerjerrod, Wampas in echo base, etc. Lucas keeps everything in his archives, so we know he's still got them.
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I can think of a few speculative directions they could possibly go, but of course, these are just my ideas, I don't know what Cameron will come up with.*Do not read below if you don't want to know spoilers from the scriptment!*Well, the main thing about the sequel(s) is that the whole 'hook' of humans plugging into their Avatar bodies is now gone - because Jake and the others now have their consciousness permanently wired into their Avatars (and their human bodies buried). And, of course, the consortium left Pandora. So might Cameron go for broke and pen a sequel that features absolutely no human actors altogether? I remember something in the script that said the Navi where the 'blue flute' clan or something like that - does that mean there are other clans on Pandora? Perhaps a sequel could be about a war between rival Navi factions on the planet, with Jake assuming a role as the head of the clan - maybe the old patriarch (played by Wes Studi in the movie) dies. So it could be about him coming into his role of leadership as he is now fully assimilated and accepted as part of this alien culture. And of course, I assume he marries Neytiri; maybe they have offspring, and those kids come into play somehow? Maybe they get captured by alien or human trappers as trafficked slaves and have to be rescued?That's one (or several!) ideas, but the scriptment mentioned Pandora being part of a system of other planets - will we see these other planets in the sequels? Could they harbour their own life-forms and sentient intelligences? Another cool thing would be for the Navi to bio-engineer 'space-ships' (since they use organic tech) - then we could have space battles against human invaders (or other alien invaders - will the humans return to Pandora bigger and more well equipped?). Another thing I'd love to see in a sequel would be an underwater battle of some type - remember years ago there was a rumour that Phantom Menace would climax with a 'submarine' battle on Naboo? I certainly remember something like that,and always though that would be a cool thing to see in a space opera type film. Of course, yet another angle would be to attempt what Cameron did in T2 and reverse things - perhaps we could have a sequel where a Navi's consciousness is transferred into a 'human' avatar and is let loose on the dystopic earth? Or perhaps the human troops could engineer their own 'evil' avatar representatives when the genetic engineering tech improves and they can create Avatars easily. Or - we could have a sequel where the human troops' perspective comes into play and they become the 'good' guys, and the heroes of the film, and the Navi the aggressors(obviously the upcoming film will depict both sides, but ultimately comes down on the Navis' side, so perhaps again we could have a sequel that presents the antithesis of the original? The thing about the trilogy is that it would be a good thing to structure it around themes; if the first movie is about 'birth', of Jake awakening into this new consciousness and culture, the sequel could be about 'life' - Jake taking over the clan- and the third about 'death', of passing things on to the next generation, and Jake's avatar body dying at the end. Then they could base the stories around these broad themes. I'd better stop now - I'm getting carried away!! (I'm sure JC's ideas will be a lot better than mine!)
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rip that film apart, and to rip McG a new asshole ..lol..Hit me with it brother...
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dude, sorry but i was a bit busy and only got around to seeing it last night. But fuck me man! That is how it should have been done imho. Thats how I imagine a Cameron directed Star Wars would have been like....
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good ideas, and I was actually thinking of some of the same things. Either way I hope Cameron really expands the Avatar universe. But one thing is clear that like the original matrix movie, the possibilities for sequals are endless imho. Ultimatly I would love an Aliens type sequal, same characters, same universe but totally different movie from the first....
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Six Demon Bag, cried when he saw SPACE JAM on TV the other day.
"It brought all those memories of 'Wilson' flooding back." he reported (to his mom).
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Variety are reporting that southafricanguy is being sought to play the title character in a live-action remake of PINOCCHIO.
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pinocchio! How did you know? Well, they may be having problems extracting my nose from Cameron's ass, but im still in the lead for that part dude, so dont hate me. Its not my fault you lost out due to them being completely unable to extract your head from your own asshole.....
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...and finally, police in South Korea are still searching for southafricanguy's missing sense of humor.
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...is how the Star Wars prequels should have been.
Along with a story/characters/writing that would have actual depth and meaning, of course.
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joke dude. Your post was actually quite funny, though i think your latest post is even funnier. Damn man, if the N.Koreans got my sense of humour I guess I aint getting it back....
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ention....
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imagine the prequals having been even half that cool...
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Hehe. Just watch your back out there SAG. North Koreans with nukes might make things go boom.
Though i've heard Kim Jong whatsisname is a big film buff, so he'll probably have the decency to wait till after AVATAR's been released to unleash the apocalypse. -
Damn. Too many posts... to catch up to...
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will get a DVD from the White House of AVATAR that will have the right region coding!
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Ah, just throw something out there. We don't do pop-quizzes. If all else fails, mention something about Star Wars. Lol! Oh yeah!
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i know it wasnt the greatest song but watching FROM STAR WARS TO JEDI and you sense the amount of work that went into all those muppets and making them do the things they do. Lucas and his yes men seemed happy with what they accomplished. by that time in JEDI, they could pretty much do anything fx wise, so the argument that he needed to go back and fix shit irks me to no end. i understand with NEW HOPE you MIGHT feel the need to tweek it here and there, but by the time EMPIRE and JEDI, he had the keys to do whatever he wanted to do.then they just CGI sy snootles...upsetting.gimme my old school star wars making-of docs on DVD dammit
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you mena space jam with bill murray--havent seen it.havent seen any new looney toons films..i like my cartoons very un-PC
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What the heck is Star Wars? It is all about SpaceCamp. It is better than Aliens. Fox says so.
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Six Demon Bag, best stick it on your 'films to avoid' list along with HOOP DREAMS and WHITE MEN CAN'T JUMP.
RIP in memoriam to 'Wilson' 1999-2000. Made in Taiwan and beloved by all. -
CGI Sy Snootles = the devil's work.
CGI swordfight on the jeeps in CRYSTAL SKULL = an opportunity for Spielbergs stunt team to trump the work they did on the original RAIDERS is wasted. -
well said on the CGI schtick..all that animatronic and puppeteering in the early days (ie dragonslayer and empire) kills CGI anytime. i still forget luke talking to a puppet yet it takes me out of the film in clones and sith.
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great spike lee joint.
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Jun 07, 2009 1:15:17 PM CDT
imagin78--if its all about SpaceCamp, then where does Cloak & Da
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Jack's agility is 24.
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Great Alvarez!
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seems longer..great chatting with you guys without the vitriol.
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wait, hang on, I was just handed something. (scanning over SpaceCamp data) Holy crap-cakes! This changes EVERYTHING!
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SDB, yeah the one moment in LOTR trilogy that I don't like (and it really is just one tiny moment) is when a CGI warg snaps its jaws as if it's biting the camera. Looks fake as fuck.
That's why I'd put TERMINATOR SALVATION above the likes of TRANSFORMERS, SPIDEY 3, even AOTC because it has great sets, great costumes, great stuntwork and great practical effects. I can appreciate it on that level, rather than just some photoshop fake-out (I mean come on Lucas you lazy cunt - you couldn't even make one Clone Trooper costume for the close-ups, not fucking one?). -
Cloak & Dagger falls inbetween Mac and Me and Explorers. It is no SpaceCamp. Nothing is SpaceCamp. Thank goodness.
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My favourite scene in AOTC didn't even make the movie. It's a deleted scene on the DVD of Natalie Portman hanging with her family in a domestic setting. Nothing flash, nothing CGI. But it felt to me like the most 'real' and best-acted thing that Lucas shot for that movie.
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Yeah, that was the one "bad" CGI for me as well in LOTR. And I just mean less than the awesome par they accomplished. Even Jackson admits to not liking the warg-cgi because he never felt like it was "just right". But hey, put that one against the thousands of things they did get right and who cares!
Cloak and Dagger was cool. Had that nice cozy charm of the 80s. Sort of a WarGames light as far as the feel when I watch it. Not saying it was near as good as WarGames. Never saw Mac & Me and sure I never will.
I will see T4 at some point. It sounds like everyone was just disappointed, which I'm sure means I will be as well. But I hope literally watching it just to see what they pulled off logistically will help me not be too depressed. -
Yeah, that was a scene that should have been kept in. If only for one less scene for me to abhor!
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but its pronounced Kevin Donaldson.
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dont hold back..good or bad...but bad..mostly.
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Been a few days have had my kids, been having a great weekend with them. We saw Up today, damn what a great movie it was, Pixar shames all studios with their model of consistent quality. Hope all is good with everyone.
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At least T4 did this, since it is a flop, maybe McG will not be allowed to ruin another beloved franchise again. I hope he doesn't get to remake 20,000 Leagues after this.
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Ahhhhhh I see, well I was disappointed with it but still managed to enjoy it, but I have a feeling you totally despised it LOL.
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Sam Worthington, and Anton Yelchin (who was surprisingly good as Reese, even though he looks absolutely nothing like him). And at least McG doesn't use excess shakey cam. There - that's the limits of my generosity. Oh, and throw in 1984 Arnie cameo as well, but that, and the Guns n Roses nod, only made me wish I was watching the first 2 movies again.southafricanguy, a question - did you prefer T3 or TSalvation? (although both are pretty bunk in my opinion).
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T4 pwns CLONES...
Sam Worthington > Hayden Christensen
Christian Bale > Ewan MacGregor
Stan Winston Terminators > CGI Battle Droids and CGI mosquito men
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Truth is T4 aint a great film, but nor is it a flaming turd either (as Harry and some tb'ers would have you believe).
It's reminiscent of QUANTUM OF SOLACE, in that it's a little too serious for it's own good, the plot's somewhat disjointed and it ends on a bit of a downer rather than a high..
But a lesser Bond film is still superior to most other films released that month and a lesser TERMINATOR film is the same.
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am I the only one? IS THERE NO ONE LEFT BUT I?!?
And hey, Cobra--Kai, give me your rundown of the (The) Karate Kid movies. And anyone else, too.
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The saddest thing about T4 is seeing 'In Memory Of Stan Winston' at the end.There must be something else he worked on. Please don't let T4 be his final epitaph.
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There are only The Karate Kid and The Karate Kid Part II. Nothing else matters. Even Will Smith's son can't take those away.
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T4 was nothing. brought nothing to the table and sorry, the women in the film were pointless.
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As far as Winstson, I know his studio is working (or was) on AVATAR. Surely Stan had some input into the pre-production. If we just believe!
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KARATE KID 3 is the RETURN OF THE JEDI of the series.
Ponytailed badguy seduces Macchio towards the dark side, away from the warm bosom of Miyagi. It's an epic examination of the good and evil that exists within the human soul..
In fact the ponytail bad guy isn't so bad. He has a dream. A humble dream of building an 'evil' dojo in every town in the US. God bless that guy. -
But Miyagi swept the leg of that fuck-ah! Made his evil dojo look more like a D'OH-jo!
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Indeed Clockwork, Miyagi was a legend.
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i think basically is involvement was his name and thats it. they took his initial designs and modified them a bit. kinda like they did with HG giger and alien3. if this was his "last" film then shit, that might be worse than raul julia and street fighter.
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i remember that final fight in Okinawa being HARDCORE. like it was gonna go down. not so much but its still pretty cool. and i like the ice breaking scene. good continutaion. Part 3 was a joke. how old was daniel-san at that time? 34?
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"Wax-on leads to wax-off. Wax-off leads to san the floo-ah. San the floo-ah lead to side-to-side. If you put prequels and originals side-to-side, prequels - queek! Just like grape!"
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wasnt it great? did you see it 3d or 2d? i stated before that i cared more about a bird in UP than any characters in T4. same with the cloud in the short before it.
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"Pokins! Pull-up! Pull-up!"
"I'm all right! I'M ALL RIGH--" BOOM-OOBAH!
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Jun 07, 2009 6:17:14 PM CDT
johnnys gang getting the shit kicked out of the by miyagi
by six demon bag
in the first film was awesome...such a great soundtrack too..YOU'RE THE BEST!!!
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will indeed be Stan's last film. Stan helped with creature designs, and Stan Winston studios has done some type of practical effects for it too. I for one am really happy about that, imho its really fitting that Stan's last movie be a Cameron film....
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about Kim Il Jong, he's probably as excited about Avatar as us, so he wont be starting any shit at least until it comes out. So now we can thank Cameron for peace on the Korean peninsula too....
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Good to hear about Winston. I was hoping that was the case. But will AVATAR be enough to ease Mid-East tensions? I can't see why not.
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I'LL DECIDE WHEN HE'S HAD ENOUGH!
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Loved how they did the recap during the opening credits. Always gave me chills.
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between T3 and T4? Well...i guess i will go with T4 simply becayse its at least trying to set its own formula, while T3 is really just a lame copy of T2. Also T3 was too jokey, while T4 at least took itself seriously. But you know Turd they are really just both so sub par, neither are particularly bad movies, but thats the thing, they are both just such middle of the road mediocre movies imho...
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Avatar suceed where all else has failed? And bring peace to the Mid East too? ..as you say, why not...
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doing? What time is it in your neck of the woods?
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So, South Korea? What is the politcal climate like these days? Is there more of a worry of N.K. than usual? I mean, I like to keep up with news around the world, but 1st hand detail is always nice.
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Hope I don't figue it out like I usual do. WHY do they always, in general, always like to say, "You'll never guess the shock surprise ending!" Every time they say that I usually figure it out because I'm looking for it.
Sixth Sense, The Village (okay, by the time The Village came out we all new to look for the twist) The Others, The Mist, Backdraft (I did, but more of a lucky guess I suppose.) Anywho! -
been doing laundry ALL day. Wash day, nothing clean, right?
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other. How you doing dude? Has your better half ever found out any info on that oil rig that Cameron had completely photo graphed as reference for Hellsgate in Avatar...
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part everyone in S.Korea knows Kim Il Jong is a complete loony, but no-one is really worried about an attack from N.Korea. Its viewed more as a petulant child that likes to throw tantrums form time to time. Generally most S. Koreans would like to just see him gone and then have the 2 Koreas reunited as one nation again. Its really like the Vulcans and the Romulans dude lol....
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trek i felt had a point...and it succeeded--to revive a dying franchise back to relevancy. they took some liberties with the characters which i can accept, theyve been doing that for years, and made them feel fresh again. who knows where they will go from here, though i cant wait. T4 on the other hand is a still born, a true package created by the studio to gather revenue. waste of resources.i know trek was made to make money too but i felt the passion and effort that went into it in the opening scene alone. way better than T4. Trek and Up best movies of the summer so far...though thats not saying much.
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i remember asking her but we forgot to follow up.
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Jun 07, 2009 7:40:47 PM CDT
we start talking about TREK, BringingSexyBack will show up
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phasers set to fun!
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N.Koreans and S.Koreans really arte the same people, same culture, same ethnically, same language. But the seperation between them has been so absolute that S.Koreans have a problem now understanding how the N.Koreans talk, because they use words for things that the S.Koreans dont recognize and vise versa...
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ber...somthing or other, a French name I think. Sorry, will have to look it up again and get back to you. Btw I also enjoyed the new Trek despite the script being so dumb. Agree with yuo that it managed to breathe new life into an almost completely dead franchise. Its amazing what legs the film had, its still hanging in the top 10 and doing decent business. Its by far now the most successful Trek...
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Saw it in 2D, and yes it was freaking awesome, one of Pixar's very best, lots of good laughs, just an awesome movie. Pixar is astounding in every way.
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Taking a quick break. Machinist is good so far.
I heard (read) somewhere about the differences that had "evolved", but I don't think I realized that S.K. had problems understanding N.K. and so on. That is interesting.
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This "first" film felt like they had all the pieces but when they finished building it didn't look like the pic on the box but they went ahead anyway. Time travel sucks, except for ST 4.
I hope just like Wratch of Khan delivered in spades, that the next one will as well. So I liked the tone, but like many say once Kirk hit "Hoth" it just went goofy and the T.V. pacing got turned WAY up.
And I am NOT saying this one was anywhere near as cool as Star Trek: The Motion Picture. But that one did have a few issues. Lol - Like the 20 minute reveal of Enterprise! But it had some awesome effects. -
but hated star trek?
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liked em both baby. watchmen is the best so far this year in my book.
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wrong Tb dude
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Fuck u ! guyz!
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but if youd like to leave a message...
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and leave idiotic remarks...
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ya unoriginal bastard!
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a passionate subject.
http://www.hrgiger.com
There in the film and theater section you will find a article pertaining to "The Tourist". It's an Epic movie that never got made, a great story is there about it though........
P.S. David Carradine smoked out of me before he died.............. but at least he was HIGH GUYS, RIGHT? -
and i said, "GO FUCK YOURSELF!"
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by all means bring anything you want to our little AVATAR way station...think of this as the line in front of the Mann's Chinese theater..without all the smell and ridicule..and you dont even have to leave your town.
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Jun 07, 2009 9:18:54 PM CDT
They should make TOURIST Universal has the rights
by dannygloversdirtybongwater
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Please hum a "SHAFT" type theme songs that ends with DGDBW is a smooth mutha SHUT YA MOUTH!!!!! and then gurgle bong type noises into your MIC like your pretending to be a bong. THANKS GUYS.
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reading my screen name requires additional support to get the intended message across
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it didnt fit well with jj's hectic montage of eye-catching events. its like pulling the brakes instead of slowing down. but overall it was far better than expected even though it totally dishonored the true nature of the original star trek. i though jj was a nerd before this but this came off as too edgy.
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When I was in L.A. I went to Mann's but on the big screen was House Party 3. So my friend and I settled for one of the smaller screens and Ricochet. I'm scared to ever watch House Party 3, but not just for obvious reasons, I would hate to think I missed the big screen when it was really a good movie.
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Lol - I'm gonna release your handle as a single with a bullet. We'll make millions! Of people sick! Just kidding. And I never PRETEND to hit da'bong!
The preceding was for entertainment purposes only, A_Clockwork_Irony does not claim to actually pack a big-ass bowl of wookiee-weed and smoke it while watching Tron. But damn those pretty, pretty lights . . . huh? Wha? Ahhhhhhhhh. . . -
want them in AVATAR as well. heck i want thongs in AVATAR
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I'm hoping the second time I watch it that I will handle it better. I just couldn't get past the lazy time plot device. Not because of resetting the universe, but because time travel plots usually suck.
Not to mention the pace was way too fast to give us some great drama between the characters. Kirk making Spock mad could have really been a wrenching scene, but NO, we gotta go get the pointless villain before he throws another pointless tantrum. Nero, dude, how many planets before you feel better. WTF. Just goofy. -
oreans and N.Koreans are different in other ways too, as I said it reaslly is like the Vulcans and the Romulans lol. And yeah brother I know what you mean. Trust me my eyeballs get a damn good workout every day, What you see in Korean movies...thats how most women here generally look.....
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trek, a really dumb script. But I still think it worked overall in spite of many flaws, and imho its a great starting point. I have not yet seen Watchmen, so im afraid i cant offer an opinion on it. I love comic book adaptations, but for some reason I just could nt get into going to go see it. Would love to hearf rom you guys (SDB, Dioxholster, clockwork..) if I should check it out and why....
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news that Cameron and Fincher are going to co-produce a new heavy metal? And that Cameron, Fincher, Snyder, Verbinski, will all be directing segments? Fucking cool news if you ask me, apparantly they are just shopping it around for a studio to finance it.
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though its quality is really hit and miss....so for me the idea of such awsome directors getting together to make a new one is pretty sweet...
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I actually haven't seen Watchmen. Or let me piss everyone off - THE Watchmen! I collected comics back in the day and my friend told me to read it. I never did. Lol - then when the movie was being talked about I thought about it, but didn't want to be seen as one of those people who are trying to be cool by running and grabbing it. Well, not really.
I like the Korean Star Trek analogy. Used to write music and sing in a band. I actually wrote a song about Hee-Sun, aptly named Korea. Of course the title was the only clue to who the song was about. I seem to remember people liking that song, but alas, that was many, many moons ago. And from what you are saying I should be headed for Korea even now! Nice! -
friend and get your ass to Korea asap..lol
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ALways wondered. Be specific.
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Well I am inbetween (days) jobs at this moment. (fucking layoffs!) Anywho, maybe I'll drive out to the airport and see if someone needs someone to travel for them.
Or, maybe I'll build a raft and stick a volley-ball on it and travel Hanks-style! I will bring a boom-box and hit play right as I go over that one stupid wave! The whales will do the rest. -
I gave you this awesome post and you ignored it! "What a world! What a world!" Lol! Damn I suck!
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after seeing those images, i can only imagine how boring it is to see Cameron's imaginary underwater world that is not really underwater. that movie will just be a fucking tour of a planet. Stargate is where its all at right now, no need to look elsewhere.
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would make it all the way to S.Korea though, and anyways...the current may push you towards N.Korea lol. And you dont wanna go there....
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good food in Korea, much better than Japanese and Chinese food imho. Their food can be very spicy, so generally you need to like it hot. But they use a lot of meat and rice, and many seafood and vegtable side dishes. But nothing is friend, so the food sall quite healthy. I weighed 80 kilos when I got to Korea, after switching to eating just Korean food (at first just because its much cheaper than Western food) i lost about 10 kilos, so I went down to 70 kg...lol
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the wrong way, im really not looking to have a fight with you (im really sick of that shit) but how on earth can you talk about substance based on pictures? Have you read the old scriptment? Because there was a lot of substance there, and the writing is useally where you find that...Also very confused by what you are talking about re "imaginery underwater world", What does anything on Pandora have to do with underwater but not underwater. Look, i ve have nt seen stargate: atlantis so if you say its good ill take your word for it, but you will have to forgive me if i find it hard to believe its at all more interesting than Sci-fi created by Cameron...
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They should call you southkoreanguy.
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then you and I just simply have vastly different ideas of what constitutes cool or exciting (nothing wrong with that, but probably why we have fought so much lol..)
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Stop pimping Stargate here - nobody gives a shit about that TV sci-fi drek. There is no comparison there to Avatar, absolutely none at all.
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this stargate: Atlantis? Is it so good that he keeps needing to pimp it here? Is there something i ve been missing?
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When did everyone get to 1000? I step outside for a little while and this little hodgepodge passes the big G. How come nobody called it?
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Cameron and Heavy metal Turd? Looks like Cameron is already starting to get more prolific. This could also turn into something really special imho...
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talkback just keeps going and going....Guess everyone here is just enjoynig shooting the shit about film in general, and without the fighting and name calling (for the most part anyway..)
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Everything is good.
Heavy Metal may have the greatest collection of directors ever assembled for one project. I am incredibly excited for it.
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you need to understand something. this aint a playground, you cant just play in the sand and expect me to watch. i remember when the talkbacks were way cooler before you decided to poison it with your venomous comments. and btw these pics look ordinary if not nearly convoluted to shit. those mechs dont seem practical to me either and that planet seems like the last place a human would want to get close to.
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Stargate is far more superior than anything James Cameron can pull out of his asshole.
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That guy is a grade-A fruit cake, as proven by other ridiculous posts I've seen him make around here. Underwate that isn't underwater..? put down the bong!Stargate Atlantis is, like its cheesy sister series, and its crappy parent movie - complete tosh. I don't watch it, but I've seen enough of it to know that. But if that dude's got a hard on for it, so be it - just don't poke it in our faces when we are clearly not interested!As for Cameron and Heavy Metal - well, for a start, I hope its live-action (and what would the point be otherwise?). But it is interesting - the style of Heavy Metal is a kind of European and baroque and trippy type of sci-fi, and I wonder how that would fit into Cameron's style? Seems more like something Verhoeven would do! And anthology type movies don't usually work. But anything that Cameron does is to be welcomed - and if its Fincher and Del Toro and others as well, then we could be in for a treat. Yes, he's definitely ramping up to be mor prolific - I think he's coming back in a big way, ready to leave his mark and achieve a lot of very ambitious goals. Its sad that an entire generation has grown up in the time-frame he has been absent from the screen. I bet there were teenagers going to T4 who had never seen the originals.
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He pimps Stargate EVERYWHERE he goes. He's been doing it in the LOST talkbacks all year, proclaiming the greatness of Stargate and how it trumps LOST in all ways. And he does it in every TB, no matter the topic. Stargate rules, topic of the story sucks. Same everywhere. Don't give him more attention when it comes to Stargate.
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One person actually believes the above. I wonder who it is.
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Cameron has shat out logs of shit that were a hundred times worth their weight in gold compared to Stargate Atlantis!
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you need to see it to believe it and it seems that im the only one here who watches it fully and was able to grasp its awesomeness. Cameron is a magician who works for a vegas hotel, those rabbits were in the hat the whole time just done to eye-fuck you but Stargate is the true mind-fucker, no bullshit kind of spectacle.
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is on his own planet isnt he? well if pimping stargate, and thinking that some cheesy show that came from the mind of the modern day irwin Allen (Emmerich) is more interesting/exciting than Cameron's return to sci-fi makes him happy then so be it. But methinks he is going to be a tad lonely on the talkbacks....
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ing out logs comment.....
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Re: Stan Winston.Thanks for the info. I hope you're right about his involvement in Avatar. I'd love to see a dedication up there more befitting than ruddy T4.That sounds terribly presumptuous. I'm expecting Avatar to be better than T4 but obviously who can know for sure until that release date arrives...
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Well, okay, the reveal of Enterprsie is long but that isn't really a complaint. I was just being goofy. But do you really think it couldn't have used a little bit of tweaking? I mean the pajamas they wore for one thing. But seriously, just for the record, nothing makes it a bad movie by any means. I mean the score for one is awesome, the effects are incredible. But it did have the slight feel of trying to figure a Star Trek movie out. But it's been so long I feel to be fair I need to see it again now that I'm talking about it.
And again, I was hoping that the new Star Trek would at least be as good as one of the originals (all things being equal) and when people were saying it was the best next to Khan my "indifference" started to change. Having seen it I feel many just got caught up in the excitement. I can't believe it will keep that high rating when they go back and rewacth the originals and the excitement wears off. -
you might not have liked where its going but it did do waht it was at least meant to do--entertain and make it relevant again.
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yeah if the terminators killed kyle in the future there would be no connor. but then i think there wouldnt be any war either or terminators. the main purpose of the terminator being sent to 1984 would be to kill connor. that wouldnt happen now and the terminator wouldnt be destroyed. cyberdyne systems wouldnt find the arm and chip and get the urge to creat something like that.it messes with your head.
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Jun 08, 2009 9:15:59 AM CDT
im sorry but TMP is pretty weak stuff compared to other TREK fil
by six demon bag
they made the biggest mistake that scifi films make...they slow down THE ENTIRE MOVIE to show off their creations--their model their chi their whatever. yawn. i understand that at the time people wanted to see that--the enterprise on the big screen and that it actually looked good but cmon a beauty pass that took half the film? there wasnt a sense of urgency in the plot. everything felt like--hey we did it--we got the crew of the enterprise on the big screen! yay that should be enough, right?
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And I still need to watch it again. And that's what I mean about they just hadn't figured out how to really pull it of yet. Gene and his "plot with God" mindset never seemed to help. Thank God they got it right with Khan. Thank you, Meyer!
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You're right - at least got it back on the radar. And I feel there were some good elements. Not the script I personally would have gone with . . .
Heh, my biggest complaint is the message to J.J. and the studio that it was second only to Khan. I mean come on people, fine that you really liked it, but let's not just let emotions take over constructive criticism. -
no argument there. I personally would NOT have had THAT long a reveal. It was like grand-standing. But I give slack because I feel there was so much pressure to make it grand. Had he gone for a full 2001-mode fine, but that wasn't the goal.
And please keep in mind I don't say that as a negative. I enjoyed the sequence but that was my first reaction. We can just agree to disagree on that one.
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Jun 08, 2009 12:00:45 PM CDT
clockwork--goldsmith's score in that scene helps ALOT!
by six demon bag
but with repeatability its gets kind of tedious.
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its basically apples and oranges. NO WAY would TMP fly in theaters today, and thats kind of sad to think about. but stand alone, i think 09 trek is pretty good. heres my ranking to know where im coming from--2, 6, 8, 11, 4, 7, 3, 1, 5, 9, 10,
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Everyone seemed to hate Nemesis, but to me that was arugably the best of the Next Generation. The Nexus (again time-plot) irked me. And to me the Borg or just boring. But the thing I really yawned about First Contact was the silly baby-sit-a-drunk on Earth plot. (And again, time-plot!) Insurrection worked for me on a few levels. All the originals are better to me.
Nemesis did have the Data/B4 thing which I didn't feel was needed at all. And there are some problems with Nemesis, no doubt. But for some reason I liked the feel. (Yes, I cringed at the whole clone thing.)
And I know Star Trek V is weak in plot, (the God-plot thing again) but the camping and all the camaraderie elemetns were excellent. I'm a sucker for camaraderie, so the more I watched V the more I let go of the main plot and just really enjoyed the character interaction. -
Yeah the whole looking into themselves with regret was I thought very powerful. And I didn't hate the overall plot, but really it's the character stuff that is golden. I think when you have the character camaraderie machine working at peak performance it's hard for the rest of the writing to be nearly as interesting.
And a great example of a lost moment in the new Trek is Kirk trying to make Spock mad. Look at the great moment in Undiscovered when Spock and Kirk are alone in the conference room at the beginning. . . "Let them die!" Kirk snaps. We feel his pain. "We've done our bit for king and country." That is a well-paced moment.
The new Trek, again, "Hey Kirk's back!" "Spock, your mom wears combat boots!" "Kirk that (K)irks me and so I am weak, here are the keys to the ship." Next scene. Fucking horrible. -
Holy shit, when Sarek is mind-melding with Kirk and Horner shines in that moment. Fucking chills. When Kirk goes into Spock's room and finds Bones and shakes his long time friend because he is instantly offended that it's not Spock. I'm sorry, I think Shatner rules with great emotional beats. And again, the friends coming together to "risk all" for Spock. Spock recognizing his old friend at the end. Hell yeah.
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Is a direct ripoff of TOS episode The Changeling, only with a bigger budget and not as good. THAT'S a big reason why I HATED THAT MOVIE. My buddy tells me I should watch the extended version and I will someday, but I hate the fact that such a huge deal was made out of Trek's first big screen adventure and it was a redo of an old episode. The movie was well made yeah, and I appreciate what they tried to do, but an original story would have been nice.
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Seriously dude, you need to chill. It's just a movie. I understand your passion for cinema, as I am passionate to, but this whole ST thing is affecting you in a way that is not normal, as shown by your statement "It really is shacking and burning me to the core of my soul" that's a bit much dude. I respect you even though most of the time we don't agree (LOL) But please bro, chill ok? Life goes on!!
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as long as you don't allow your heart to explode from your chest like ol' Ahab wanted! The short time I've been posting you're one of the ones who gives real opinion that makes me think.
Actually (sweet strings start) all who have labored to keep this string going - I say you have all proved your quality.
Mother fuck! Shitty and beavers! Now we can all shake my "softer-side" moment from our minds. Lol! -
Sulu:"One minute to space doors"
McCoy: "Are you just going to walk through them?"
Kirk:"Calm yourself doctor"
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Kirk:"And....Now"
Scotty:"Sir?"
Kirk:"The doors Mr. Scott"
Scotty:"Aye sir i'm workin on it"
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"My God bones, what have I done?" Top fucking notch! And that approach to Vulcan, that Bird of Prey in that sea of orange hue. Damn that shit is good.
Kirk falling back on the step when his son dies. Good stuff. -
Why ty my friend, I was not aware of my intellectual stimulation (LOL) but cool, I try to make posts that are not just babbling bullshit, although I do make those sometimes hahaha.
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Asimov / Memories-of-Murder you really need to chill. You're a movie nerd who hates movies (STAR TREK, T4, THE ROCK, BEOWULF).
The one movie you do seem to love is STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE. You talk about audiences of today not being able to bear it - well I remember seeing that very film at the theatre as a kid when it was first released and not being able to bear it. For the simple reason that it was boring. Then and now. It's not 'underrated', it's rated right. -
Let's be honest one of the best story arcs on film. I know 4 was light-hearted, but I think the call to "make it so" was a good one. I love all three of those. To me it's everything I love about Trek.
One of my favorite exchanges in any Trek:
"Don't tell me. You're from outer-space."
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I would have ANY room to complain about babbling! Woo!
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I just think it affects you in a borderline unhealthy way and no movie or any form of entertainment is worth getting so worked up over that it affects you in such a deep way. I love movies, love them I always have, but in the grand scheme of things they are simply entertainment. Yes I am passionate about movies, yes I can get in heated emotional debates about them, but the bottom line is, they are just movies, there are more important things in life to worry about. I do not know if you are a parent, but trust me life changes when you are, everything else seems a lot less important, because it is. Maybe that's why I don't get as emotional about movies as I used to, because they are secondary to many more important things. When I take my kids to the movies, I get as much as, if not more enjoyment out of their enjoyment than my own. As far as ST:TMP goes, I will never be convinced that they did not take the basis of The Changeling and decided to make it their first motion picture. Again, it was a well made movie, wonderfully directed (with the exception of the whole take 20 mins to show the Enterprise thing which I am with most people on in saying it was too much), the acting was good, effects were awesome. But it just didn't do it for me. Like I said, maybe one day when I watch the extended version i will change my opinion, but for now, my opinion stands.
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like TDK or not, it was a fucking orchid among weeds these days.
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I am not saying that if you do not have kids you have an empty life, all I am saying is that it is one of many things that makes you look at life a bit differently, that's all.
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I enjoy the shit outta that movie.
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The movie, from what I remember, I didn't like. Having said that, it had some nice eye candy.
I know as I was watching it I had reasons I didn't like it, but I think I have just removed it from my memory. So my argument against it is really weak at this moment. -
Why not just get Sean Bean and do a real movie.
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great use of widescreen i might add.
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I mean in general. He's always at least trying new things. Granted they don't always work. I was basically giving Zemeckis the respect he deserves for going out on a limb in most of his movies.
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i honestly dont think that abrams is the end all to a great franchise. i think youre wrong that people are worshipping him too much. lets face it--he made a critically good film that made a lot of money. you might have liked it but a lot of people (and some fans of trek) did enjoy it..enough that people are still seeing it.as for my other ranking theyre pretty close...i really enjoy 2, 6, and 8. bored by 9 and 10. the others are entertaining enough to watch from time to time.
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not a fan of the polar express and beowulf.
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Overall, Robert Z is a terrific director. I do wish he would direct live-action again, but he has made many great films(BTTF, Roger Rabbit, Cast Away). I will take an average film from him over anything out of the Bay, McG, Ratner, Sommers factory.
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My favorite Trek films are 2 and 6. I can't get too passionate for the Next Generation stuff.
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xmas carol, beowulf, polar express...yawn
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there is book by nick meyer about his filmmaking and mostly i think its about 2 and 6
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i agree that i might be drinking the koolaid about new trek..only time will tell. we should give it distance for perspective..what do you say?
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they still have my repsect for what they have given to the movie world.
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Sounds like a good book, SDB. Meyer never directed enough for my liking.
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I forget about that movie, but I seem to remember liking it.
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Yeah, like I said, if you like something fine, but this blind admiration bothers me too.
A great example that always gets people's backs up is Tombstone. I love Tombstone but will be the first to say it is a flawed movie. From the silly slow-motion "Noooo!" to the pointless Delaney role, to the absolute drop the ball moments, like taking longer to have a bullet hit a streetlamp than it did to reveal the Enterprsie in TMP. Oh, I fucking said it! (Couldn't help myself.) -
I am curious of your perspective on directors. You acknowledge that Zemeckis has made some great movies. You also hate his mo-cap work. So, are you saying he forgot how to make good movies. Can he become a good director again? Is a director only as good as his last movie?
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There's a very good documentary on the 'Clockwork Orange' DVD called 'O Lucky Malcolm.' Well worth a watch. I could listen to that bloke yap all day.
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did have problems and maybe a better director would have fixed them, but seriously, Delaney's role was just silly. Even for an ambitiuous pop-corn fest that it was, Wyatt Earp's love arc was shit.
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I can see that. And really it's almost a sign of a good movie when you feel like "what? it's over? NO!"
The Prestige was like that for me. At first I thought "was the ending good or not?", then I realized it was just that I wasn't ready for it to end. And damn, if you like The Prestige, make sure you watch it twice because you really see how clever Nolan is at layering the plot. Knowing the end actually makes you apprecaite it even more. -
Well, that's something I need to see!
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Oddly, I've just ordered the 2-disc'er. It was only £5. Would've been positively rude not to. Director's Cut. Don't know how different it is to the theatrical version.
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grab a copy (of Clockwork!) if you can. There are a few omissions - like, he doesn't talk about ST Generations which was disappointing. He just sounds like a great bloke.
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I'm gonna say you already know this, but to all those who love Clockwork (heh, the film, not me), don't forget there is an extra chapter in the book. Kubrick stopped his script one chapter short. Which I think was easily the right call. But just a little FYI for anyone who cares.
Malcolm does seem to be really cool from the few interviews I've seen/read. Right right! -
There is a really nice moment when Doc leaves his lady to go help Wyatt. Most of the new stuff is okay, but that one seemed to be the best of the new. Again, I'm a sucker for friendship/camaraderie.
to Doc about his friendship to Wyatt, "I got lots of friends.'
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TOMBSTONE wtf Asimov? How can you have a problem with TOMBSTONE? It's a damn entertaining movie.
Fuck dude, is your taste so elitist that you have to dump on 99% of movies that are released. I mean I appreciate fine dining but that doesn't mean I turn my nose up to a cheeseburger - you get what i'm saying?
ps. the fact that you liked TDK proves... what? We all liked that film. Loco chico. -
Clockwork, you mentioned GROND that crazy big battering ram in ROTK.
Have you seen the extended edition, just before the call for Grond goes out, you get this classic shot of a pile of orc bodies up against the gates. A literal 'hill' of dead orcs - very cool. Suprised that got cut from the theatrical release (not as suprised that PJ cut the death of elephant man orc however, that ugly cunt was asking for it big time). -
I read 'Clockwork Orange' the novel at school - a loooong time ago, so I'm hazy on the printed version. I do recall being niggled that Kubrick didn't explain the title - which is kind of the whole point.
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Was throwing the comment about kids for perspective, I in no way was inferring that people who don't have kids have an empty life, not at all, I was merely using it as an example of how people can change their perspective on things when certain events in their life happen, that's all dude, no offense was meant. You are definitely not alone in your love for ST III, i saw it 3 times in a row in the theater on the first day. BTW...saw The Prestige in the theater as well, I LOVE that movie. Ok fellas talk to you a bit later, off to my son's championship little league game.
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The View From the Bridge: Memories of Star Trek and a Life in Hollywood by Nicholas Meyer
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wholeheartedly agree with you that as you mature (and have children) your perspective of thing (and films) change...watching parenthood for instance is a lot more charming than it once was, seeing the other side of things.
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thats what i hate about all this. everyones tastes are different from the next. yes, the masses LOVED TDK and they also LOVE TREK. you cant have your cake and eat it too. the masses didnt get "dumber" over the span of a year. im not gonna go to the mattresses for TREK, i thought it was entertaining and really unexpected--they did pull of a reboot that really wasnt a cop out, regardless of your feeling towards the execution. shit i forgot where i was going...yeah you didnt like it..thats cool. it doesnt mean the rest of the masses were lemmings. i think you just dont like the direction TREK is going. but you need to understand that TREK has been open to reinterpretation. dont be afraid that TREK is "cool" now. i know that can be a little startling, but it will be all right.
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I only watch the extended versions. My friend and I were talking about with the release of the blu theatrical versions how we were kind of looking forward to having a reason to see them again since I have almost forgotten all the differences. But yeah, and ironically, THAT battering ram IS LOUDER than Grond. Check it out.
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or most importantly, have a blast.
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"He's as queer as a clockwork orange" meant he was queer to the limit of queerness. (so goes the Old Londoners saying.)
"I mean it to stand for the application of a mechanistic morality to a living organism oozing with juice and sweetness."
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The Prestige is easily as good as The Dark Knight. And yeah, on some levels it IS better. Thank you, Nolan! (And I saw TDK almost ten times in the theatre.)
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I will have to check out that book when it comes out.
Time After Time is a very good movie. McDowell is still underappreciated.
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right there with you on Tombstone, awsome modern Western, and I will not have anyone talk shit about it..lol. C'mon Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer are both great in it, and it has a fucking awsome score imho...
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weakness's (sorry Asimov, and my Korean girlfriend and her Korean friends all liked it, they all thought it was very entertaining). Agree with you about TMP though Asimov, I dig it but the directors cut, the original version did deserve the reputation it got, the amount of shots showing reactions to things is almost comical, the acting is stiff, and that reveal is overboard.However for me almost every problem I had with it was fixed in the directors cut, and I am happy that Robert Wise was vindicated...
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in, my personal fav treks are WOK and TUC. Also like FC, the only good NG film imho. And a cool trek doing Aliens...Man did Frakes just rip Cameron off with that movie, but like they say if you are going to steal, steal from the best..lol
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outta proportion. it really wasnt that bad..i just think he didnt like the direction they are going now. i think they are doing a good job and cant wait to see what is next. the direction they WERE going seemed like a dead end.
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everybody upped their game.
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the aliens were scary. The borg just stumbled around like old-style Mummies. "Oh look it's a borg! Well, guess we should start lunch if we're gonna be done by the time they cross the room."
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or was Alice Krige really hot in First Contact. I think it was the way she talked.
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for Asimov because he particularly like Korean movies, its related to a proir discussion we had, he understands what I mean. Yeah you are right about Aliens actually being scary though. Andas for being your hero....just rememberer that plenty of ass-kissing and stroking of my ego will get you far....lol
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sort of way. She s South African by the way...
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if she wanted to blow on my skin . . . ever . . . so . . lightly.
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those lovely ladies of Korea.
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Thanks bro, they won!! First place and champions, what a feeling of pride I have, his first season of little league and his first championship, how awesome is that?
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Maybe your son's team should replace the Washington Nationals.
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Yes, Alice Krige was hot in ST:FC in a twisted way but she was, you are not alone in that opinion.
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My nephew's team came in second, but they had lots of fun. Come to think of it, one of the dad's in the other bleachers WAS wearing a Rebel Alliance fighter helmet. Son of a bitch!
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Yea the Nationals really suck don't they? I am a Yankee fan myself and am glad they are doing better since A-Rod's return.
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LOL...I have a Rebel Alliance tattoo on my right arm (the insignia, with my kids names around it) it actually gets a lot of attention. My son was great today, had 2 hits, stole a couple of bases, scored 2 runs, he saved his best playing for the end of the season, got his 2 hits off one of the best pitchers in the league. Talk about a proud day for me.
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It's cool because when my nephew first started playing it was cute, ya know? Now they actually have some skills and it's exciting.
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You can't be a fan of the Evil Empire. I happen to be a Mets fan. It should be an exciting weekend coming up. Maybe my team can score some homers for once in the new Stadium. Bring it on.
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My son is 9 and his team has played some exciting games, in fact, the game before tonight's was tense from the get go, it's so cool to see kids so young playing pro style ball, seeing their skills develop over the season, it's really great and as a parent, makes you smile and shed a tear when they win it all. Yea, I'm a big sap LOL.imagin78 - Yep, I am a lifelong Yankees fan, but actually I don't hate the Mets like most Yankee fans do, I don't root for them or anything but nor do I root against them, if they were in the World Series against anyone except the Yankees, I would root for them. Now, when it comes to hating a team, I hate the Red Sox, oh hate 'em hate 'em. Saw a game at Fenway and they couldn't stand me LOL. Here is to hoping both NY baseball teams have good seasons.
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The next six days should be very exciting for both our teams. Here's to another Subway World Series.
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I will stop the baseball talk for anyone who doesn't know what we are talking about.
Joe Dante. Good director or not? Favorite Dante film? The Howling? Explorers? Piranha? Matinee? Gremlins? Innerspace? Do you prefer Gremlins 1 or 2?
I personally love part 2. I love any film that has the balls to make fun of its' own rules.
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Sound like a good papa to me!
I love baseball but haven't kept up with it for a little while. I'm a Braves fan. And, hate to have to say it, but give me the Red Sox! Haha!
As far Dante I have to go with Gremlins because I have easily seen that more than the others, though it has been MANY years since I saw it. I agree about Gremlins 2. Once I got that that was what they were going for, no real sequel or story, just parody, I was able to settle into it. I have only seen it maybe 2-3 times. Need to watch both of them again. I still love Phoebe Cates, (well, I mean, LOOK at her!) in part 2 where she starts to tell another depressing story and she gets cut-off. Lol - nice. And didn't Hulk Hogan storm up to the pojection booth? Jeepers!
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I find myself falling asleep, so I'm off to read til the Sandman fills my orbs with the yellow dust of Saturn. As always, been fun and chat later!
Oh, and Rogue, "I hope that old man got that tractor-beam out of commission or this is gonna be a real short trip! Okay, HIT IT!" -
Yea I am a bit ummm...under the influence so I am off to bed myself. Red Sox yuchhhhhhh. LOL. oh one more thing clokwork...."look good against remotes is one thing, good against a living? That's something else"
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awsome imho....I think he is one of the most underrated directors ever. personally i really like innerspace, the gremlins, small soldiers (very fun and unfairly shat upon imho) Hell I even liked loony tunes back in action (even though I know its not a particularly good movie..but i love the lonny toons....
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more often about Korean women..lol
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Lots of classic sound effects in those films.
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Hell The 'burbs is hands down one of my all time fave movies. It's a shame that Hanks seems to want to forget it exists. PS anyone notice that Amazon is listing an Avatar 2010 calender for release in July, so we might get some pics from the film fairly soon...
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Howdy to the usual crowd, SDB, SAG, Clockwork, Asimov, imagin, vader. Early morning here and I am not fully awake LOL.
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that scared the shit outta me when i was a wee one!
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and they become more of a hater when the film is actually good.NOT YOU IN PARTICULAR though.i wouldve been the first to complain had i not liked the new TREK. T4 i heard it would be bad yet i gave it the benefit of the doubt and went in with an open mind---yet it was still bad. just a giant shrug of a film..at least there was LIFE in TREK some sort of "hey we're making afilm that people might pay attention to" nothing of the sort in T4.--give me your basic problems with the film i will try to explain them the best i can.
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up guys? How you all doing? Anyway...I just recently watched Titanic with my girlfriend (it just happened to be on tv) and what was interesting was her reaction to it. Now, she is 22, and she was like 11 or so when she saw it in the cinema. She told me that it is one of her favourite films, and as we watched it, I could see how sucked into the film she got. This made me realise that in a sense Titanic is Star Wars for girls/women. Dont know if anyone agrees with me on this. But anyway, It got me wondering if that is the reason so many now go out of their way to trash it. For the record Titanic is my least favourite Cameron movie, but I admire and respect the technical and financial success of the film (and the fact that it gave Cameron "fuck off" clout, and if there is any director that deserves that its Cameron imho)
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such a huge risk and try to really push boundaries with Avatar is becos of Titanic imho...Anyway, people complain about the sometimes cheesy dialouge etc...but its interesting that you can level some of the same criticisms at Star Wars. Thats partly why I wonder if it just pisses some geeks/fanboys off that it appeals so much to girls/women...
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of yearsnow, I have to admit to getting quite drawn into it, It never felt 3 hours long, it went by fairly quickly. Would love to hear everyones thoughts/opinions...
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basically just one big action sequence, is actually quite remarkable imho...9again as I said I had not seen it in quite some time, and had forgotten a little what the movie was like)
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make some really interesting points. I agree with almost everything you said. I guess for me I just think its absurd for a movie to have to apologize for its success you know? Also, I love LA confidential (one of my favourite movies actually) but thats not Titanic's fault is it? The problem is in the stupidity of treating art as a fucking competition.
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and heres why....because he would never win for his action sci-fi films because the academy is so damn snobbish and anti-genre films (how the fuck TDK was nt nominated for best film, or how the fuck Nolan was nt noninated for best director..). So in my mind that Oscar Cameron got was for T1,T2, Aliens, The Abyss imho....
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some day for some drma type thing, but we all know it will really be for TDK
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Titanic was pretty damn impressive. The amount of detail was incredible. I remember seeing actaul photos from Titanic and Cameron went out his way to put the exact image in there. I think one was a dad and his kid spinning a top on the deck and he put that in, so not just the ship itself, but any action he could find as well. And let's not forget he descended to the bottom of the ocean to get those shots of the ship.
I saw the thing five times in the theatre. Part because I have a weak spot for Kate Winslet, but I love ships and seeing that sucker on the big screen was too cool. And I love that on one level it had an almost apocalyptic feel. Like Miracle Mile in a way.
It always bothers me when people bash it for no other reason than they gotta be "cool". The logistics alone deserve respect.
And let's not forget Theoden was her captain! "Reform the line, blow that fucking horn . . . the world's ending!" What if WETA had thrown in an iceberg on the fields of Pelennor! -
Yeah the drop scene I was fine with, UNTIL the red shirt decides to eat Doritos and drink Mountain Dew on the way down and go EXTREEEEEEEEME! My friend and I both said aloud at the same time, WTF? I mean have the guy freak-out and not pull his shoot. Have Sulu go crazy and shoot the guy in mid-air, ANYTHING but that. What in hell was that?
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is very true, it was an amazing technical acheivement. Its just interesting to me how its become fashionable/cool to hate it or bash it, and whats funny is how most of said hate seems to always centre around it being a chick flick (as if movies can only be made for guys), or that it only made money because girls/women went to go see it many times (as if thats not allowed compared to movies that made a lot of money because boys/men went to go see them many times)
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Saw Titanic in the theaters, loved it then, still like it now, but don't love it. it is an amazing technical achievement, the movie never feels 3 hours long, the acting ranges from great to so so at points. Cameron's direction is pretty flawless though. For me, the film weakens just a bit after repeated viewings. I think it struck a chord with audiences when it was released and that's all you need. Leo's and Kate's chemistry was and still is, undeniable. I can't quite nail down why it weakens with me after repeated viewings, but it does. I will have to try and figure out why.Asimov, I agree that LA Confidential should have nailed best picture that was an awesome fucking movie.
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dialouge (which I agree some of it is quite cornball), but again as I said its not like a lot of the dialouge in Star Wars is nt really cornball....
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what I just said I love SW, but im just playing devil's advocate on the matter...
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agree with you about La Confidential, but as I said for me that oscar was for Cameron, not Titanic in my mind. Because by the same token why the fuck did Basinger win, her acting was nt anything special imho...in fact if there is a weak link in that movies cast its Basinger imho...
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director, compare his filmography with Curtis Hanson's (who I would argue has only had one great movie..LA confidential) And lets be honest, the Oscars are often given for a body of work rather than for the specific move its being given for...look at Scorcese with the Departed (which i liked), but how the fuck did he never win for goodfellas or Raging Bull?
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i think it gets shit on by people..mostly fanboys cause its not what they are used to from him..they want action and (in true lies case) a little comedy. he was breaking away from his area to tell a good story that really hasnt been told defintively..it has now.
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you are right, that is a pretty good explanation that you put forward...But back to what I was saying earlier, if Avatar turns out to be as awsome as we all hope/think, and it really does push technical boundaries etc...Do you think there is any way in hell it or Cameron would get an Oscar nom? No way in hell, becos its sci-fi...
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he was as good as dead when he started talking shit before the drop...HE HAD TO DIE..that was a little aside for the fans.
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aside from Weaver getting nomd for ALiens and the LORD OF THE RINGS..thats it though.
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i thought the ending of LA CONFIDENTIAL was tacked on..
by six demon bag
crowe shoulda died. Boogie Nights close in running for best film of 1997.
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awsome, really damn funny. I thought LA confidential, Boogie Nights and Titanic were the best that year....
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going from one action scene to the next is ok..basically if you look at TREk it follows the STAR WARS plot closely..farmboy joins up with a father figure and by the end of the day saves the world. inbetween there is a lot of acction set pieces in both. if thats its only sin, so be it.
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your favourite Cameron action set pieces? Or any for that matter?
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action scenes/set pieces are. Discuss....
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I know he had to die, that wasn't my problem - it was the silly way he did die. I mean, the fate of the universe is at stake and this soldier is going to play chicken?
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It's about time to watch that sucker again. Lots of cool moments. Maybe it's a cop-out to your question, but I loved the horse in Lies on the roof saying to Arnold, "Fuck that!"
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That was Cameron, right? Sorry, but that is one of the best fights ever. I always tell people, imagine T-Formers with that sequence, THAT'S how you have giant entities fight each other.
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Not a Cameron movie, but I thought the shootout at the apartment in Face Off was awesome, the one with Over The Rainbow playing on the kids walkman. That just popped into my head when you mentioned action sequences.The Cameron ones you mentioned are all awesome btw.
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The Kong remake was Peter Jackson, not Cameron.
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I am a follower of Jackson. Please no, I was just trying to get that sequence in the conversation. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Lol - if you knew me you'd know how I followed all the pre-production of King Kong and seen all the interviews, the extended version, which rawks! Haha! Loved that movie. So, I know your twisting of that knife wasn't your fault. Lol!
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From Cameron: Crane dragging the rig over the cliff in The Abyss (actually The Abyss is rarely mentioned because it's more drama/suspense than action, but that's a great sequence, as is the Coffey/Brigman fight in the moonpool and the subsequent underwater submersible chase). True Lies: Harrier jump jet end sequence. T2: Canal chase. Aliens: Colony battle/ escape through the air ducts. Avatar: Battle of Big Rock-Candy Mountain (just kidding, but you KNOW it will be up there)Non-Cameron: Hospital gun battle in Hard Boiled, just for sheer excess alone. Predator: Final battle between Dutch and the Predator. Total Recall: Elevator shoot out. Temple of Doom: Mine car chase. Point Break: Chase on foot. There are loads, really.
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You sneak LOL silly silly boy Hahahahaha
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is, quite simply, because it was so popular (backlash syndrome), and, especially as far as the male nerds are concerned, because it was a period romance instead of a genre film, and very popular with women. That's it. That's why I don't take most criticisms of the film at all seriously, especially on this site, because they are as superficial and simplistic as that. Of course, some may have legit gripes or more thougthful critiques, but for the a lot of the hateful internet geeks the above mentioned reasons are really the core of it. Make no mistake - the film is still, to this day, extremely popular with women. It is to them, what T2 and Aliens are to guys. Also, I guarantee, if Titanic had bombed, as all the negative press before it came out tried to insinuate, or even if it had been only a moderate success, like The Abyss, it would now be regarded as an under-appreciated masterpiece.
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I have viewed this site for years, but have rarely posted, this movie which I cannot wait for is the reason for me finally posting something, I just cannot wait for Avatar
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And good picks on action sequences.
any of the Jones' bits in the first two because of the tension, like fight on the conveyer-belt. (even though big gaff on that one, but totally in line with the old cliffhangers. so, not really a gaff per-se.)
That is why, especially Skull, was so boring, no real tension, EVER. "Oh ants, use the skull", or "hey we're surrounded by natives can't wait for the action . . . er, what? Oh, okay, use the skull." Who didn't see that coming. Why bother! It's like people won a contest, be an extra in the next Jones movie. All you have to do is run up, look mean and, that's it. "One take only, Mr. Vasily." -
Is when Tom Hanks and his neighbor find the leg bone in their back yard, and the friend declares its their missing friend's femur. Hanks and his friend start yelling bloody murder and Dante has the camera zoom in and out dramatically with Jerry Goldsmith providing some overdramatic musical cues. His friend stops yelling and tries to get Hanks attention, and Hanks finally stops yelling but he keeps shaking his head, like he's shaking off a trance and his voice just sorta trails off, and he ends with this really confused look on his face. Hi-larious. I also really dig the music when Hanks is walking out of the burned out wreckage of what was the Kopek's home. Its very "western" sounding.
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Yeah, I am letting myself get excited for AVATAR. Damn I hope it doesn't disappoint. I mean I hope it ranks near the top of his movies. Just what if?!
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Thanks for the welcome! I have never been this excited for a movie since I was a kid (saw T2 in theaters when I was nine) It just seems today that movies have lost that magical touch in which I originally fell in love for them, but I have a feeling that Avatar will bring it back.... here's hoping A_C_I!
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No good action sequences whatsoever - and yet he was talking it up before it went into production saying how all the recent blockbusters that had copied the indy movies had really made it hard to come up with amazing and original action sequences, and how he wasn't going to do indy 4 until they had come up with some really mind blowing ones, that would "put a double helping of butter in the audiences' popcorn!" Spielberg can usually be counted on to do at least one or two great sequences in even his weakest movies. But Skull was really bland and sloppy: even the opening warehouse scene looked very badly edited with no clear sense of geography. And what was with that finale? Raiders had the wrath of god, temple had the rope bridge (still amazing even to this day), and even crusade, while not as good as the first 2, had the three tests. What did skull have: some natives that come out of the walls, and then in the next scene they're all dead, a boring sand puzzle, and then a really tame death for Spalko (no exploding heads, crocodile munchings, and rapid aging here). spielberg on politically correct mode - I bet if he made jaws today the shark would vomit quint back up. he reserves blood and horror only for his 'serious' movies now (OK, there was some stuff in lost world and wow, but you get the picture)
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Yeah, I'm surprised he hasn't CGI'd that sequence. He could have Cruise's son from War of the Worlds pop out, too! Why not have a rainbow shoot out and when the shark blows-up just have skittles raining down on Brody. Nice!
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Let's get back to what got these guys so high on the ladder in the first place.
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Her eyes freaking exploded in FIRE. That really gets to me for some reason. I don't like eyes exploding or catching on fire.
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Amen indeed! I'm getting myself excited too, if anyone can pull it off, I think Cameron can, he just has a work ethic and vision lacking in hollywood today, Lucas has lost it, Spielberg has lost it, Mann lost it with Miami Vice (Hoping he can bring it back with Public Enemies)and I can understand why alot of the posters on these TB's are so jaded, I don't blame them, but I'm gonna allow myself this hope for Avatar...
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ive never seen a man drive his trash to the curb and beat the hell ouuta it witha rake. ive never seen that.
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Nobody knocks off an old man in my neighborhood and gets away with it!
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I wouldn't mind being that ant between her knees. Oh my!
And don't get me started on the waste of Karen Allen. I felt bad for her, like she knew she was there only for the effect of "Hey, it's Marion!"
The last scene was so insulting. Not that the event happened, but the movie didn't support it. I feel like they called her up in the 11th hour, "Hey, you mind appearing in some scenes for us. We'll give you a few lines. And hey we'll fool the audience into thinking you're still relative in my new vision for Indiana Jones." -
I completely agree. That is worth the price of admission alone. You can really see how Nolan was influenced by that movie (by his own admission) and used it to his advantage. That's a good director.
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All I wanted was to see the war! How is that so hard? I mean how can they have detroyed the story? It was set!
The sad part is that I HAVE to see it. You know. My brain knows I shouldn't, but the fan in me feels like I have to hold the line. BAH! But no doubt I'll wait to Netflix it. -
Heat is probably my favorite movie of all time, best set piece, great characters, awesome one liners (Cause she got a great ASS!!! and you've got your head all the way up it!!!) And the shootout in downtown L.A. is a masterpiece, alot of why that scene works great is because of the sound effects, the echoes of the gunfire around the buildings is phenomenal.
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can be action set piece to action set piece--FLAWLESS.and yes, trek is no RAIDERS.
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no came with the frame.
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yeah she just looked happy to be there. im pretty lenient with indy 4 though, even though i shouldnt. it was just so unnecessary.
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they dont make them like they used to.
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i like how the bank shootout is at the point in the film where IT COULD end. around the 2 hour point. any normal director wouldve just had a final climax blaze of glory. MANN, fucking professional, takes it further and gives us more. my wife cried at the end when we recently watched it (her first time). i got a keeper.
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but it was played as Crimson Tide. I don't loathe it like Asimov, but I do get his point. I mean, did we REALLY need another "action" movie?
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If the masses aren't saying Star Trek is "boring" I think we got problems.
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And I'm not coming back until I find a dead body.
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Man, this is why I love chatting with our kind, always reminding me of movies I should re-visit.
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Yeah Mann certainly didn't release prematurely! And the end is pretty emotional, Moby's God Moving Hands Over Water (or something like that) is the perfect music to close the film. For me Heat is the epitome of a flawless movie. Avatar may very well surpass it though!
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I thought Collateral was over-rated (decent up until the third act), and Miami Vice was terrible (is it possible to have any less charisma and chemistry than farrel and foxx in that movie?) That said, the shoot out at the end of that film wasn't bad, but no comparison to the bank heist in Heat. On the whole, though, Mann's movies have been good (Manhunter is arguably the best Lecter movie). And here's hoping Avatar will be Cameron's magnum opus.
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Hey lame-o, get out of my yard!
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Collateral is a little overrated, I liked it personally but Mann has done better, (Heat, Insider) and Miami Vice was horrendous, but the man (no pun intended) knows how to direct a gunfight, very realistic, no doves or melodramtic music.
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Here is a good blast from the past for ya, and one worth seeing again...The Hidden, what an awesome under appreciated movie. BTW boys, don't reveal too much about Heat, because believe it or not, I have not seen that movie(go ahead shoot me now LOL).
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Heat= Must see movie. If you like a movie with a great plot, great sub-characters, amazing set pieces, then see this movie.
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Don't you make a move sonny. I was eighteen months in the bush and I could snap your neck in a heartbeat.
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no brainer.
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That might be my favorite one. Just the way Bruce Dern delivers it, his eyes all wide, is hilarious.
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I'm only trying to take a nap! I'm only laying here with my eyes closed trying to get some GODDAMN SLEEP!
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I thought I was alone in my love of Dragnet, probably the last really funny thing Dan Akroyd did.
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his best role was Temple of Doom! Yes, I admit I always like to see who has "discovered" him in that movie.
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Never seen it, but I looked at the poster and damn that looks familiar. I'll have to give it a try. Thanks.
And yeah, definitely see HEAT. Watching it after seeing TDK is cool, because, again, Nolan was inspired and it shows. I saw it ages ago and never got around to seeing it again til this year and now I wonder why I waited so long.
And is Collateral worth watching? I love Mann, but never seemed to get excited about that one, and needless to say Miami Vice well, I might see it one day to catch a glimpse of Gong Li (Li Gong). -
Yea I knew it was Akroyd at the beginning of TOD when they get on Lao Che's plane, what a great little cameo.I thought Collateral was damn good, I think it is worth seeing, Tom Cruise makes a good bad guy I would like to see him do another baddie in the future. Heat is definitely going to the top of my must see list, have heard too many good things about it to put it off any longer.
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have you ever noticed that Akyroyd never stopped the JOE FRIDAY line delivery schtick? that how he acts now.
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when Vincent kills the carjackers..that last one to the dome..he doesnt even look at the guy! BLISS!
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Playing his Driver character from The Transporter. At least, you can look at it that way. Its fun.
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Then how do you explain the vast numbers of "normal" people (and quite a large number of film geeks too) that enjoyed it?
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Oh god the bag of worms you opened up with that question....(runs and hides because I have heard too much of Asimov's wrath concerning Trek LOL).
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Is as close to a perfect movie as you can get, Spielberg in his prime, doesn't get any better than that.
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JAWS is up there too. and ET. id even throw EMPIRE OF THE SUN on there too..though its a little flawed.
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Cameron's best action scene (i'm late on the uptake fucking sue me):
Arnie vs random bag guy in toilet TRUE LIES.
My reasoning is that it's an unexpected pleasure in two ways. Firstly because it's a pretty hardcore fight sequence in a family-friendly film. Secondly because the baddie that Arnie has this epic fight with is just a random motherfucker. Not a named villain. Not a 'right hand man'. Just some unknown henchman who gives it large in the gents restroom.
Anyone remember that scene? Great stuff.
ps. Asimov, I am you life coach. I need you to try and go 24hrs without mentioning Star Trek. Okay, I know it wont be easy but we're all with you. -
What ever happened to Christian Bale, that kid in Empire of the Sun? He was so good. Someone let me know what you find.
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So says my lawyers!
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Fuck dude, you only managed four minutes.
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would that be in the same way that T2 is considered a 'family friendly' film according to certain oddballs on this site?
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Nolan is definitely high up on the list. I wonder what his first slippery slope will be? If it happens.
When did Spielberg start to slip? Opinions? I know Hook wasn't all that I wanted, of course I was hoping for a really dark movie, like they had talked about early the process. I really don't know what to think of Always, barely remember it.
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Yeah aside from TITANIC, TRUE LIES was definitely Cameron's most mainstream family friendly film. No?
I always smile when I see your name Turd. It makes me think of that old Paul Mcartney song - band on the run.
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fairly consistently after Saving Private Ryan. Before that, he had kind of a rough patch between 89 and 93 (crusade, always, hook), but nothing drastic, just uninspired. 1941 was just a temporary blip. But post ryan none of his work has really grabbed me save Munich. Spielberg is the type of filmmaker that works in stops and starts; he's got immense talent, but he has to be driven to really push himself, like a lazy A student who can just coast and get by on his talent, but can do outstanding stuff when he's hungry to prove himself on something. I've got a feling he may be due for a 'come-back' (though he's never really been anywhere) in a big way. If you analyze his career into stages, he's probably entering his third and final one right now. The 1st was everything from Duel up to Schindler, ie. the classic Spielberg style that made his name, then the 2nd was Schindler and all the darker, and more serious stuff he's did right after, like Amistad, Ryan, Munich, AI, as well as trying to infuse and reconcile his 'popcorn' movies with these new sensibilities as well (lost world, minority report, war of the worlds), all the way up to skull I'd imagine. This was his most difficult period, and he's had a lot of misses as well as successes; some of his stuff doesn't really connect with the zeitgeist now the way it used to. From now on, though, I think he made be headed for a new phase in his career where everything clicks again. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part, but hey, what the hell. He was young when he went through the first stage, and therefore hungry; by the second, he was by turns restless, self-satisfied and bored, somewhat coasting on his legacy - his mid-life crisis period. But now entering 'old' age (60+) he may have something to really prove again, to make sure his legacy is assured. There are usually correlations between youth and old age; it's the Fat Elvis middle period you've got to watch out for.
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I being goofy here but, "Hey kids, wanna go see 1500+ people die?"
"Yay, daddy! Will we see life boats floating through a bunch of bloated corpses?!"
(holds up thumb and index like a little pistol and makes a noise as though it went of) "You betcha! Now go find that bitch of a wife of mine."
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My user name is taken from an obscure Rolling Stones song from the Exile on Main St. album. It just amused me, so what the hell, I thought I'd use it. But Macca will do fine. There you go, you learn something new every day!As regards True Lies, I don't really regard Arnie breaking multiple necks, throwing a scalpel in someone's eye, setting terrorists on fire,Bill Paxton's sleazy talk, etc. as family fun! It was an R-rated film, remember! (and The Abyss was PG-13)
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Asimov's life coach. I really like him but he needs to just put Trek behind him. Anyway...Agree with you completely about that awsome shootout in the bathroom dude. Good action, and actualy quite funny. Also love the horse basically saying "fuck that" to Arnie. Oh, and you got to love the Harrier jet sequence, good action, and damn impressive fx imho...
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your kids going to see Titanic was damn funny....
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about Spielberg, he really did go downhill after SPR. Very hit or miss imho..Also, like you Turd I think Avatar will be Cameron's magnumopus (at least I hope so) It will be very interesting to see what kind of stage Cameron's directing career will take now...Your thoughts Turd?
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and hopefully make several movies in the next couple of years. Its also going to be interesting to see how Cameron may have changed as a director (like Spielberg did post Schindler's List). Given that he has been away from filmaking for so long and that he is much older now....
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discussions dude. Dont worry man Im right there with you as far as being excited for Avatar is concerned....
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pect....stop whatever you are doing, and WATCH HEAT! Seriously dude you wont be dissapointed lol..
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Mann's Last of the Mohicans is a great film. One of the few times that the movie is better than the book.
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with you forgot about LOTM, thats a damn good movie, one of my favourite Mann films too....
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True, Jaws is in my top 5 of all time, and it is damn near perfect. ET....ehhhh liked it when it came out but then I gave in to the "hate it because it's so big" syndrome, but watched it a few years ago and yea, it is a classic.SAG - I know i know, bad movie geek bad bad bad...LOL. I will be watching Heat very soon. With Pacino and DeNiro how can you go wrong? Oh yea they did with Righteous Kill...sorry LOL.
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LOTM is one film that gets better every time. A great score by Trevor Jones. Daniel-Day Lewis great as always and a bad-ass Wes Studi who should have had a bigger career.
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Dark fucking Crystal! amazing.
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smoking.
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cant really agree with that. actually the only film i do have a problem is...shit i dunno. as a whole picture, i think his films are great, but there are one or two scenes, ususally the ends that are off in tone. what i like a bout him is that he makes different films each time. when he made JP, schindler was after. then JP2, then amistad. kinda i make a crowdpleaser then an oscar pleaser. i think techniacally saving private ryan was amazing...could have done without the present day bookends, but i see why historical dramas have them. this time it was a little manipulative. AI was good fable about pinocchio. SS told his peter pan story and now it was pinocchio. proabably his most fragmented film--which i would partially blame kubrick for. he was trying to emulate that. Minority report kicked ass, im sorry it was good..i really liked scott franks script, yet another tacked on happy ending. where it couldve been BRAZIL, it was a spielberg film.catch me if you can was pretty good, in fact i think i might like it better than Gangs of New York, aside from DDL. great score. terminal, im a sucker for shit like this. just great. this all hung on hanks performance and he did a wonderful job. hey i liked Cast away too. also another great score.war of the worlds--only seen it twice. wasnt really impressed, remember it being a little suspenseful but i think there were some issues i had with the plot..I DO remember the TACKED ON ABRUPT ending though..weak ending.Munich---pretty good, also kinda fragmented..i thought the ending was a little heaveyhanded--withthe whole sex/violence thing--we get it steven, i think?indy 4--it was okay, but i felt indy 3 resolved everything (for me at least) so i felt this was kinda pointless. i did enjoy it in the theater though.sorry brevity is not in me sometime.asimov--empire of the sun--i do remember it being tonally off in some places, i think i need to see it again. I DO love the film though. surprise to say ive never seen COLOR PURPLE or SUGARLAND EXPRESS--and im from there. ha!
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I adore A.I. I love the idea of one director aping another. Like the way Haynes copied Sirk in Far From Heaven.
Keep in mind that there is a difference to mimicking and ripping-off. McG ripped-off Cameron and Miller in T4.
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It just seems that there are as many folk out there that like Star Trek as there are people that liked The Dark Knight.
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Teddy rocks. I want my own.
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Can you tell me, in 18 paragraphs, OR LESS, your favorite Williams scores!
Just kidding. I agree with most of what everyone's saying, but Indy 4, walked the hell out of that midnight show. My friends and I all looked at each other at the same time and figured why bother losing any more sleep. I think it was right after the AWESOME "fulcrum-trap" a.k.a. DOOR they had to go through to get to where they found the skull. Jeepers! That tension! -
Another amazing Stan Winston creation. He will be missed.
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I've only seen it once but as I sat there and the scene where he is sitting at the bottom of the sea (something like that, something about a ferris wheel?) and I thought how awesome it would be if the movie just ended there. I mean, I'm not saying it SHOULD have ended there, but the impact of such an unsettling moment to end on.
I really need to watch that again, I remember nothing!
Course I was kind of hoping Speed would end when they were trapped on the subway. I love that kind of moment in a movie, where you can think for a split second, wow, what if this is it? What if they don't make it? Again, Speed ended just fine. -
I have never walked out of a movie. I always like to give a film a chance. I have fallen asleep twice. Once during The Mummy Returns and, yes, during 102 Dalmatians. I am so ashamed.
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rocked your lame ass. jaws. ceot3k, star wars, superman, empire, raiders, et, jedi, templein all honesty, every year the guy (read: GOD) scores a film he gets nominated. i think there has been 3 exceptions his whole fucking career!also love EMPIRE of the SUN and HOOK and FAR AND AWAY and HOME ALONE scores. and the others previously mentioned. did i leave any out?
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my friend wanted to bolt during showgirls and i told him THIS would not be my first walkout.
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Jun 09, 2009 8:48:43 PM CDT
Yeah, Clockwork, pple say all the time that AI should end there
by d.vader
And then they blame Spielberg for tacking on the ending. But those people are completely oblivious to the fact that the ending IS the original ending Kubrick intended the film to have. Its not a happy ending either, but it is important for David's journey because finally, at the end, David is special and does have that uniqueness he craved (harking back to the factory where he sees copy after copy of himself, rendering his life meaningless). But now at the end, he is finally and truly one of a kind, not just the first of a kind.
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We were that disgusted. But yeah, I couldn't make a final judgement til I had seen it so I went back the follwing day and watched it. Everyone did on their own and we were surprised to find that the first act is the least offensive! But it felt damn good to say "fuck you" to a midnight show. I went home, slept and felt much better for work the next day.
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Yeah, I was fine with the rest of the movie.
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Pure magic. I love that score. One of my tops all around.
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Didn't say I was always logical. Only ironic.
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there is a cue that sounds a lot like a Gollum moment from Shore. Not the whole cue, just this slow creep.
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Jun 09, 2009 9:05:59 PM CDT
Also, Williams' score for Harry Potter 3 is the best of the seri
by d.vader
It too feels magical, but Williams worked a number of themes into the tracks, and much like his old work with leitmotifs in the Star Wars films, plays them with different instruments at different tempos in different places. But the great thing is, he uses specific "old" sounding instruments that give the entire score a very medieval feel, which fits perfectly with the Harry Potter world. I highly recommend you check it out from your local library. Favorite tracks from Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban: Lumos! Aunt Marge's Waltz Double Trouble (this forms the main theme of the entire score and is a wickedly fun song to boot incorporating lines from Shakespeare's MacBeth) Buckbeak's Flight (great flying theme, very majestic) A Window to the Past (emotional and rustic) Secrets of the Castle (fun and playful, like a bird flitting around from tree to tree... and that's what you see onscreen as this plays) Hagrid the Professor Finale (the end is the great dramatic cue that is used in most of the teasers and trailers now, especially Goblet of Fire). Check it out.
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Williams score for Hook definitely elevates that film. While I like his Harry Potter music, it clearly evokes his stuff from Hook.
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i love aunt marge's Waltz...about 2 months ago in houston our symphony did a retrospective of John Williams--pure ecstacy. i took my 5 year old and we dressed up in suits. it was awesome..father son bonding throught the scores of Williams. mostly played star wars, started with jaws, did indy, some ET ended with superman, did the "mission" theme aka the nightly news. i hope he'll never forget that, i know i wont. many sweet suites! ha i crack myself up sometimes.
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That theme from Catch Me if You Can. So different from everything else he'd done in the past. Harkens back to his background in jazz.
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great listening...i mean he can do anything.
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thats in my car tomorrow!
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I'm still not sure exactly how the score for that film works. I think Williams came up with some themes but another composer technically wrote it? I don't even know who has the credit on the CD cover. His theme for Fawkes was good in that film, I remember liking it.
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is actually the emperor's theme. ever since i heard this rumor, i tried to hear it, but no luck so far..your thoughts?
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williams was stretched too thinkthat year. tired. for more score info go to www.filmtracks.com
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The POA score I mean? I used to request Double Trouble all the time on a few sites that streamed movie music.
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double trouble is some wicked chanting..truly original.
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if you respond to me or anything..i get to it manana!
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With happy children chanting it. Its a more upbeat version. Not the horns part, but the "laaa la laaa.... laa la laa..." part.
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you my friend, Spielberg has been very prolific, too prolific imho, which is why I think a number of his film have felt very rushed. Thus the reason why i say he has been hit or miss. 1941 is not a good movie by any standards, is it super bad? No, but its a bunch of friends pissing away a lot of a studios money to make themselves laugh, and I say themselves because lets please be honest here, its a comedy and it simply isnt very funny. There are just a few amusing parts imho...
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just sloppy, lazy filmaking, its Spielberg on autopilot (though him on auto pilot still has highlights, the glass cracking under JM). Im sorry my friend but thats an example of how not to do a sequal. Always is just a really schmaltzy film, not at all bad, but just really not all that engaging. WOTW is just hugely dissapointing, I really cant watch it anymore because the children are annoying rather than how kids useally are in his films (compare them to the kids in et or JP), that horrible tacked on happy ending, and the complete lack of spectacle courtesy of Koepps shitty script.
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Jun 09, 2009 11:05:46 PM CDT
Indy 4 was a travesty and a slap in the face to indy
by southafricanguy
fans imho...Spielberg and Lucas should be ashamed of themselves for what they did there. All that lying about useing minimal cgi, waiting for the script sp long so the action would be the best etc...blah blah blah, and nothing they said was true....at the least they could have made a good movie, but they could nt even do that...
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like it, but Julia Roberts was miscast (and stunt casting), it was a mistake to include modern things like skateboarding which dates the movie imho...and the whole thing feels so studio bound. But I still like it....
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segment, Spielberg at his scmaltzy worst. Other than that though for me everything else ranges from good to great. Personal faves include Jaws, ET, Raiders, last Crusade, JP, SL, SPR, CMIYC, MR, and Munich...
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compass, had heard about how it bankrupt NewLine and was a big bomb etc....having now seen it all I can say is...what the fuck were they thinking? Its just sooo bad, not much characterization, really boring action, a story that does nt make a lot of sense, ah man I could just go on. What were they smoking when they gave that to the guy from American pie to direct? What the fuck in his filmography told anyone he was suited to massive budget filmaking on a large scale with complex fx? Geeez, no wonder it underwhelmed so much and bankrupt the studio ala Heavens Gate...Thoughts anyone?
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...they don't ever leave the house without their hair. Quality. Yeah Asimov, I totally agree about AI. I think it was a victim of being a Spielberg film in as much as people hear Spielberg and robots and automatically think they're gonna get some sort of epic action sci fi, when instead it was very dark and often disturbing drama. I remember seeing it with my family and them almost disowning me for recommending it, whilst I was fascinated by it. SAG - have you read The Golden Compass book?
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since ET. yeah his films do have shortcomings but i ususally let them go because he can be a crafty enough filmmaker to disguise them. hook, isnt the greatest film, on the contrary, its the one people refer to as his flop, (with 1941) but i keep coming back to it. yes, roberts is doing nothing but shout out things on a blue screen. and the lost boys are skater boys. but that scene when the little boy is looking for peters smile. OH THERE YOU ARE PETER! i agree with you on lost world too, the young girl IS annoying and convenient, but i think i like the set pieces in that film better than JP. JP did it first, but LW did it more. you have the LONG GRASS scene, the ending (which is what godzilla wanted to be) the CLIFF scene, the CAMP scene. i dunno its been a while since ive seen it. and ive seen JP way too much on HBO in the last month. point is, all his film have small idiosyncracies but they dont derail it for me AT ALL. NEVER. i am always entertainment by him. i would have to say that.
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Nice to see the Avatar Love Machine still in high gear. If you guys ever form a band, that's your name - Avatar Love Machine. Particularly like the composer discussions.Well played!
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P.S. Please don't forget The Keep. It's a top film.
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Because I am either with my kids, getting high or tapping my g/f. I guess those are good reasons though LOL. Anyways, mornin fellas, it's a dreary day here in NY.
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dont worry you can catch up or just bring it up again..we're always game to post repeaters.
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Bring it, Cameron!
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How are ya today bro? I saw some of the discussion regarding Spielberg last night, and I wanted to know if anyone here thinks that JP III (directed by Joe Johnston) was better than JP II, because I do.
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Southafricanguy I have a bone to pick with you. Just saw your posts in the Terminator tb where you described T4 as a 'turd'. Yet I distinctly remember you posting comments after seeing it that you thought it was 'ok' but were a little disappointed...
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god no!! lost world is much better than JP3. i think its cause of goldblum..he makes the film
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True, I cannot disagree that Jeff makes that movie, but take him out and JPIII is the better film, I just feel it has a bit more tension than JPII. Just MHO.
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Is my favorite scene in the entire movie. Its gorgeously shot and has my favorite bit of musical score in the film too. HOOK is one of my favorites. It may have its shortcomings, but it always makes me feel like a kid again when I see it. But like I said, I love that moment. I love how the kid, in his closeups as he's searching, as this otherworldly quality in his face, like he's older than he looks. He's got this strange little old man face, as his brow furrows, searching for signs of the old Peter. I love it.
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yeah i always thought that too..the choral part of the score helps significantly. he does look wise beyond his years..that kid. my only misgiving is the opening, but i understand it being needed. but once peter is in his kids room wasted its all forgiven.
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ive actually only seen JP3 once in the theater at midnight and i thought--thats it?? i wasnt impressed. i just felt it was a rehas of the first film. i really cant remember the plot. it would take ALOT to get me to watch it again.
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An estranged couple trick Dr. Grant into taking them to the island to rescue their son after he is lost on the island, he was para sailing over it and got stranded there. One thing that did disappoint me in the film was the fight between the t-rex and the spinosaurus, it was way shorter than it should have been, and it was built up to be a big thing in the movie. Otherwise, I really enjoyed it. Was good to see Sam Neill back.I have not heard anything regarding a fourth installment, I know the idea has been kicking around for a while but nothing definite. Although I don;t know what else they could possibly do that would not be just a rehash of previous films. But you know Hollywood they cannot leave well enough alone.
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Curious about your nick, how did you come up with that?
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its from big trouble in little china
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Only saw that once a long time ago, will have to revisit it sometime soon.
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such a quotable film!
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Hey, thanks for the welcome! I liked who you stood up for yourself a few weeks back, someone was commenting on you being from South Africa and you defended yourself quite well! Anyways, guys I love the Terminal, don't ask me why, most people I know don't, just something about that movie gets me...
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Terribly underrated movie, the visuals , the score, the story, one of spielbergs great recent works
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It came from the mind of Kubrick, and if the film had ended at the underwater ferris wheel it wouldn't have made a lick of sense. It's neccessary for the arc of the character that he has his 'love' returned, even if it is by a creepy automaton. It was just the baggage that Spielberg brings to some that made them over-look this.No, it's other things in AI that bring it down, and are very much attributable to Spielberg - casting the voices of Robin Williams and Chris Rock for instance, and spelling things out for the audience far too explicitly - ie. the opening of the film, with the lecture defining the 'morality' of creating a robot boy. Plus, the whole middle section looks edited to shit. The opening and ending sections in the house and after the super-mechas re-cover David are the places where Spielberg apes Kubrick best and are the most successful parts. Tellingly, the more conventional stuff in the middle, when Gigolo Joe and David are on the run, was the stuff that Spielberg altered or contributed to the most.AI is a a bit of a mish mash, really. It just doesn't work as a whole, and it's very frustrating. If Kubrick had lived, do you think he would have even finished it by now, 10 years on from his death?
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i read many years back (maybe 1996) that Kubrick was tinkering with AI and wanted to film it in pieces with the little boy from Jurassic Park. he would film some and then wait 5 years and then film some more. and so on. has anyone heard this? frankly i do think it is a little fragmented, but thats how all Kubrick films are IMO. overall, i think it works.
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yes terminal is great..a great little film from a big director. it goes to show that he doesnt always have to make BIG films. or oscar baiters.
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Agreed with The Terminal, just an everyday guy, wants an autograph.. The scene with Hanks collecting cart for money to get food, just awesome
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I wasn't impressed. It read rather like fan fiction and didn't feel like a "movie".
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Just to see the cinematography from the candlelight is such a cool achievement (50 points from XBOX!). Go Kubrick!
Nice to see those who liked Azkaban score. I think Williams knocked it out the park with that one. Of course he is known to do that a lot. I love Potter 3 because of the "switch" Alfonso Cuarón did. And along with Williams and that brilliant score I never get tired of that movie. It befuddles me when the fans dismiss 3 as too dark. Every shot of that movie is so poignant. The few changes make it better than the book. I wish he was allowed to come back for another outing. It is exactly what the series needed.
The first two were what they needed as well, but Potter grows darker and you have to make changes or get lost in same-old, ssame-old.
And PLEASE Williams come back for at least the final film. Please, sir! Can I have another!
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Oh God, what a bore. Worst Potter score yet.
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cage goes goes in the wateryou go in the watershark's in the water....our sharkDon't know why I posted that, it just popped in my head, love that quote, Jaws is such a quotable movie.
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Doyle did a kickass CARLITOS WAY!!! the subway chase. awesome.
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I just posted something about JAWS in the Alien TB.
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farewell and adieu to you old spanish ladies, farewell and adieu to you ladies of spain. i love quints monolgue..fucking mesmerizing..you get panicked just by him telling it.
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Not bad at all for having to come in. In fact, it fits really nice.
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Every once in awhile I find myself singing "Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies..." And if I'm a bar its "Show me the way to go home... *bum bum bum* I'm tired and I want to go to bed."
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Kronus Quartet for A Requiem for a Dream
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Jun 10, 2009 5:30:20 PM CDT
I did Quint's monologue in an acting/directing class in college
by d.vader
I wish I had that recorded. Luckily, the teacher didn't ask me to redo it like she did other people in the class. That made them extremely nervous and self-conscious. I just told the teacher that I approached the monologue as a story the character knew extremely well and had told many many times. But only to himself. This was the first time he told it to other people. And she was impressed by that.
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With the Kronos Quartet playing. I love the reorchestrated version for the Two Towers trailers.
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With the Kronos Quartet playing. I love the reorchestrated version for the Two Towers trailers.
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some kind of half assed astronaut?OrYeah, that's real fine expensive gear you brought out here, Mr. Hooper. 'Course I don't know what that bastard shark's gonna do with it, might eat it I suppose. Seen one eat a rockin' chair one time.
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might even be better than requiem. its so hynotic. i love it. the professional score by eric serra is pretty swell too. shit i just put HP3 in my car and now the fountain is going in! fuck!
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Sounds like you did an awesome job, good work honoring the source material.
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why dont you come down and chum some of this shit.
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I love running to that, especially once the track climaxes at the end with all those strings and guitars and the chorus (just as Jackman enters Xiabalba). Its glorious. And Serra's score for The Professional is great. I thought Goldeneye for the Nintendo 64 stole a lot from it.
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Your right D.Vader with Clint Mansell, and the two tower trailer you were talking about, one of my fav. trailer ever just cause of the sound, .... DSB, I really like the score as well for The Fountain, not so sure though about how I feel about the movie though...
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with bow-legged women!"
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It was great fun. At first I couldn't find a monologue suitable enough and finally it hit me: Pick one from my favorite movie! I really wish I had brought in a camera so I could rewatch it to see what I did wrong and what I did right.
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I am not gonna stand here and argue with a man who's lining up to be a hot lunch. No I am not leaving just had to start the quote that way LOL
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died at the age of 103, for 15 years she kept her virginity, not a bad record or this vicinity.How awesome is Quint, a classic character.
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... Until it swims up and bites you in the ASS!
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I think it is the best movie to videogame adaptation and probably the best N64 title, ocarina of time notwithstanding
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Or, in the parlance of our times, KICKS FUCKING ASS!!! Best videogame of a movie. Ever.
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Yes, the score is nice. But I feel as though the movie is too clever for its on good. And what I mean by that is that I try to make it more clever than it is intended to be.
I FAIL!
Let's see who jumps the gun to defend the movie even though I actually only bashed myself. Oh yeah! PASSION! Turn to the left! -
Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation of Christ score is damn amazing. That man is a musical genius!
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When Hooper and Brody or on the boat (Hooper's) at night and Hooper looks up and says, "there's something out there." And the music moves in over the water. Nice!
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I feel ambigious towards The Fountain, I also feel it is too clever for it's own good, maybe I have to rewatch it, I got the gist of it, but I felt stupid afterwards, like I was missing something, great visuals though
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So true, that is one of the best cue's EVER, that whole score was genius.
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No commentary on The Fountain.
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And both end right on the boat with the huge, bite-sized chunk missing from it.
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Thank God they released more of the cues. I love when Brody is sitting with his son after he gets slapped by Mrs. Kitner, that music, and the play between father and son.
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Just to remind me that movies are great
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to save his son..how it just starts building. the father son cue is great too.
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Yeah, that tense moment always gets my blood going. By the time Brody tells Ellen "He's in shock" and runs and grabs the blankets, chills! Then of course him looking out over the ocean.
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see this talkback still going....lets try and get this to 2000 posts guys....
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rough on these talkbacks, but I find that if you just use well thought out and logical arguments the assholes just make themselves look more and more stupid while they post their imbecellic rantings. So in a way its not to difficult to defend oneself. Anyway...Ive been meaning to ask you newdirector, what is it about Avatar that interests/excites you? Have you read the old scriptment? How much do you know?
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damn good, has held up well. Some movie have to be watched again so that we can be reminded that Summer/sci-fi action movies can be awsome, and that they dont have to suck...
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Doing good here, as you can see we have been talking a little Jaws here this evening. This should be good, me and my g/f are going to get high and watch Finding Nemo tonight LOL.
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I don't even have to watch T2 to know that it stands up well over time, just a flat out classic. I feel bad for the ones who hate it, they really are missing out. Same goes for T1 IMO.
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See ya later boys, peace to all, talk to you in my morning..LOL
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looks pretty nifty.
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discussion, what do you all think still remain the great unmade movies? What should have been/could have been films do you all wish we could have seen. Personally for me it was always Avatar, but since we are getting it now, what else guys?......
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Ridley Scott's Dune.Ridley Scott's I Am Legend (with Arnold Schwarzenegger as Robert Neville)Crusade, with Schwarzenegger and directed by Paul VerhoevenJames Cameron's Spider-ManPaul Verhoeven's Hitler biopic.Leone's Battle of Stalingrad movieSteven Spielberg's Return of the JediMartin Scorsese's DinoFrancis Ford Coppola's MegalopolisStanley Kubrick's NapoleonStanley Kubrick's Aryan PapersStanley Kubrick's Blue Movie.
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Coen Brother's To The White Sea.With Wings As Eagles - World War 2 set action epic with Arnold as an SS comander turned good.Christoper Nolan's Howard Hughes movie.
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hoeven's Crusade with Arnie, or Scott's Dune...
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are so right about T2. Well have a good one my friend, and enjoy Nemo lol...
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know your shit. How about Aronofsky's Batman? Cameron's Planet of the Apes? Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopis?
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i meant that its completely bland/ordinary/mediocre at best. If I called it a turd in the terminator talkback, it was because of the T2 bashing going on there, and if I have to compare the 2...well then T4 is a turd of a movie. We can only say that its ok to be kind/charitable
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actually i can find something good in a movie even if I dont like it, and I agree that there is plenty of room for grey areas so to speak. I have mixed feelings about many films. So hopefully dude you no longer need to pick a bone with me....
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And let me just add - Commando 2! I heard that this was transformed into Die Hard, though. I've read the script for Commando 2 - at least one draft of it anyway, and it was pretty crummy, but a good laugh and quite fun (and, strangely, co-written by Frank Darabont).Crusade would have been epic - it was, in fact, all set to go, and would have been released in 1995. The studio, Carolco, had a choice between it and the terrible Renny Harlin pirate movie, Cut Throat Island, as to what to fund first - due to the huge $100 million + budgets of them both (astronomical at the time), it had to go with one at a time, and they stupidly chose Cutthroat Island. Well, guess what happened; that movie tanked, and bankrupted the studio, although I think Arnold still owns the rights to the script. It was said to be a really exceptional script as well, very dark and intelligent, not just the fun but without much depth hack em up you might expect. Aparently very scathing about organized religion, unlike Scott's fairly even-handed KOH. It would really have gotten the fundamentalists up in arms. And it was not without Verhoeven's trademark sleaze and gore - plenty of nudity, rapes, dismemberments, and I even remember descriptions of people being sewn inside animal carcasses and being digested by the acidic juices! Arnold played a thief called Hagen who escapes hanging by self-branding a cross into his back - the religious leaders take this as a sign from god and allow him reprieve to lead an army of crusaders to Jerusalem. Never read the script, though; don't think it ever leaked.Scott's Dune was from the early to mid-80's; I think he described it as his take on Star Wars - ie. that kind of visual style. Space opera, anyway. Dune was first considered for screen adaptation by Alejandro Jodorowsky in the 70's, with effects by Dan O'Bannon and designs by HR Giger - this of course, led to Alien when the project collapsed. Scott's potential version was next up. Lynch's version was the one that eventually got made, though. And wasn't there a TV version as well? Now they are talking about re-making it with Peter Berg, director of Hancock and The Kingdom. I don't know about that.
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shit out of me, especially after seeing that very bad movie Hancock. Man I tried to find something to like there (and the premise of the movie is great), but it was made with just no understanding of the genre imho...
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scrip[t for that. Thanks for the info Turd...
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They were much better than the one they went with for Will Smith. All these drafts I read were still credited to Protosevich, I believe. And maybe these were written long after Scott left the project (matter of fact, I know they were) but for some reason they were in Scott's filing cabinet of projects in development. Still had a woman and child in it, but was a better script all around.
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Jun 10, 2009 11:42:06 PM CDT
Ah yes, I remember the days of AICN when Crusade was a rumor....
by d.vader
When it seemed like a done deal. When Arnie was going to make I Am Legend with Scott, and instead went on to make End of Days instead. Heartbreaking. Man those days seemed so optimistic and full of promise.
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There was another draft written by John Logan (scripter on Gladiator); I believe this was the one that was closest to production (around 97/98). There were no other humans in it whatsoever, until Neville comes across a young boy in the closing scene. The first hour of the film was going to be a huge gamble, as there would have been no dialogue at all. I really hate the look of the 'dark seekers' in the Will Smith film, by the way; they look like bland, pink, roaring things straight from The Mummy. I think they were going to go practical, but made the decision to go full CG at the last moment. Scott's version of them would have been very creepy - they were to be dressed in rags, with only patches of rotting flesh exposed. Very old school horror and vampire-like, not cartoonish, roaring retards.
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I saw a lot of concept art where they were dressed in rags, but some had like, tribal tattoos. These may have been madeup for other drafts, but it seemed there would be a caste system to the vampires implying they did have a culture and weren't totally monsters.
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doing? Great discussion about unmade movies. How about we change the subject a bit? What about movies that you wish had been made by another director? Movies that had great ideas/premises but werent executed well or just made by mediocre directors. I ll kick it off by saying that I wonder what a James Cameron directed Waterworld would have been like. Action, world building, and water all in one film and all Cameron's speciality imho....Always thought Waterworld had a great core premise, and some cool ideas, but the script is quite weak, the villain is a cartoon, and they pissed so much money away with nothing to show for it, it should have been so much more epic.
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inal script for waterworld is anywhere to be found?
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the prequal movies and given each one to a different director? Maybe Spielberg on TPM as one of the main characters was a child. Im not sure about AOTC, anyone got any good ideas? But for me ROTS would have gone to Cameron....
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read the golden compass, why do you ask good sir?
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JP3 too. Its also not a particularly good movie, but imho it at least is trying, making an effort to be more than just another excuse for someone to go back to the island. However that being said it doesnt have anthing as memorable as the highlights of the Lost World...
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island looks cool, did you know that its wriiten by Laeta Kalogordis? And she has also worked on the Avatar script with cameron....
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does anyone know when it comes out? this year?
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come out....
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all i want to do is to thank you/even though i dont know who you are/you let me change lanes/while i was driving in my car...where the fuck did that come from??
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How is everyone this morning? Looks like this TB is slowing down, which sucks because then I have to search for you guys in other TB's LOL. Anyways, Finding Nemo is pretty damn funny when you are high LOL.
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yeah its a light film good pixar..
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avatar love machine out.
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I've known about Avatar for quite some time, obviously I love movies and James Cameron, and when it was announced he would be starting directing on Avatar (project 880) I was interested ever since! I know about the insane special FX it will have and the great 3D it will have also. I know Jim won't let us down!
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But in the words of Daniel Day Lewis from the aforementioned Last of the Mohicans:
"Yous guys stay alive (in the TBs), no what matter what occurs! I will find you!"
Lol - later!
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