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More News On Fox's ALIEN: LAST FLIGHT OF THE SPACE JOCKEY!!!
Beaks here...
Remember that ALIEN remake Bloody-Disgusting reported on last week? Well, thanks to some pointed questioning by Collider's Steve "Frosty" Weintraub (who probably just attended his last Fox junket until Tom Rothman is tossed out on his tuchus) at today's THE TAKING OF PELHAM 1, 2, 3 press junket, we know now that it's a prequel. 'Cuz that's what hot.
Weintraub got this scoop from Tony Scott, who's producing the prequel with his brother Ridley at Fox. He also confirmed Bloody-Disgusting's report that the Scott brothers' protege, Carl Rinsch, will helm the project. There are no plot details yet, but my good friend and former colleague Drew McWeeny is probably not far off the mark with his fervent enthusiasm for a Space Jockey origin tale on Twitter. I hope this bittersweet scene makes it into Rinsch's film:
"'One day, Mommy Space Jockey, I'll go to the stars and I'll meet someone from another planet!' Sad, foreshadowy music."
I've got nothing but apathy for this movie. Maybe Ridley and Tony will hire a talented young screenwriter to knock out a sequel that doesn't trash the memory of the first and second films (I really like the third, too, but the first two are indisputable classics). I wish I could be optimistic, but they'll be working under the aegis of Fox aka The Prequel Factory. Here's hoping they've got a significant degree of autonomy over there.
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who cares?
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shmaliens
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sigh
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sigh
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that star trek wasn't so terrible.
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Especially if it turns out the Jockey ship picked up its eggs from the Alien homeworld.
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Fleece this one on the cobbles immediately.
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there, I said it. mostly because of no Bill Paxton, and Charles Dutton knocking every scene out of the park. I know I'm in the minority, but hey. a lot of people liked Crash, too. and in hindsight, we can all agree that that movie was horrible, right?but anyway the first Alein is the gold standard for a lot of sci-fi, a lot of thrillers, and a lot of monster movies. I mean, it redefined EVERYTHING. to make a prequel to that, they can't try to tie it in too closely, or step on any heels. just make a fun, decent sequel that just HAPPENS to take place earlier in the timeline. that's it.your only other choice is to take a huge taco bell diarrhea shit all over a modern movie classic.
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seriously, fuck the both of them.
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i always liked the idea that the xenomorphs were created by the space jockeys or maybe some other race with which they were at war with and were then used as a weapon,always seemed like a cool idea to me but its fine as it is in my imagination i wouldnt be too bothered about seeing it on screen,just leave the poor things alone i reckon.
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He'd tell me what to do.
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The space jockey story should be told with human characters, with the human space jockey finally dying in his big swivel chair, then an epilogue where his remains are found by spacesuited visitors who are the species that the space jockey in the original film was. Why? I don't care to watch a whole movie where all the characters have indecipherable creature faces. Just reverse roles and call it a kind of visual translation.
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If you want a place for hard to read conversations, you're in luck!
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...all of Kubrick, Scorsese and Kursawa's catalog's, if we could just be the fuck rid of all things Twitter.
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Its like a declining scale of quality.Alien being the greatest then on down to the turd that was the fourth film.
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hated it when it first came out. rewatched it about 5 years later and enjoyed. aliens shits on all tho
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Or something along the lines of that old Dark Horse comic book (now retitled Female War or something like that). The major problem I see with the Space Jockeys is that they probably will loose all sense of mystery once done as fully fleshed out CGI creations, unless of course they only show the jockeys and their civilization as a long dead or fallen one. That dead skeletal one fused to the chair/telescope in Alien was so effective. The other problem is, the idea of humans being able to survive on Giger's Aliens' homeworld seems too far fetched. I suppose they could have Starship Troopers type of combat suits, but then when does Aliens start and Starship Troopers/Forever War/Halo/Armor stop? Unfortunately for Fox and the Scott brothers, the Alien series has been ripped off and or influenced so many other films, TV series, comics, novels, and video games over the past 30 years that they've got a tough road ahead if they want to stand out. And this is without the inevitable Dead Space video game to film adaptation that will probably be greenlit once news of another Alien film gets downwind to whoever has the rights to that one.
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I remember there was lots of talk of Cameron doing another Space Marines movie (with another alien threat _not_ related to the Alien alien). That would've been pretty amazing.
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Surely endless underwhelming collaborations with Russel Crowe can't be more interesting.Fuck Fox - they give the impression of wildly flailing about, desperate to score with something that sticks - "hey, let's try filming a sequel to aliens without a script, no that didn't work, let's try bringing back ripley from the dead, nope didn't work, I know let's try a crossover with our ailing Predator franchise but make it PG 13 to draw in the kids, nope, lets try a sequel and make it R to draw back the hardcore audience, no cigar, let's try a reboot, dead end, lets try a prequel, nada, lets try re-inventing Alien as a family comedy! Lets do a spoof version, lets do ripley: origins, lets do alien 5, lets do alien -1, lets do alien x10 cubed!!!!!!"
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fucking sick of this shit!
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I loved the third film, and the recut (in the Alien Quadrilogy collection)further enhances the tone that Fincher was shooting for in the film. I think its tough to compare 3 to Aliens because they are such different films and it truly did take time for me to appreciate the third installment. But I do believe 3 belongs in the category of greatness that Alien and Aliens occupy - for the unique tone that it brings to the series as well as expanding on the shadowed universe in which these films exist. And LOL at all "I LOVE PREQUELS" anecdotes - priceless.
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If there's anything left.
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oh man this is great news,Ridley Scott on board thats a definite plus,possibly seeing how the aliens
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How did The Man With No Name 'earn' his poncho? Why did Lee Van Cleef grow his moustache? These are questions the film will aim to answer!
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they can show us the future war just like McG showed us the future wa......wait. Never mind.
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May 29, 2009 7:53:21 PM CDT
I Starting to get really fucking sick of god damn prequels and r
by bryan007
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Did you know Doc Brown would never have even built a time machine into a Delorean if not for a chance encounter with a determined future version of Marty McFly who realised that if he didn't go back in time and help his old mentor buy that exact car then... uh... YEAH!
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Relive the glory days with Pike and the original members of the crew. That's right, THE GANG'S ALL HERE!!! Co-starring Ernest Borgnine as his future self.
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Deckard is back and better than ever!
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for a loooong time. So there.
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There are no artists left in Hollywood anymore, even those who used to be great have had their souls sucked dry by the godless corporations. Hollywood is run by business people scared of new ideas, business people who want things like FRANCHISES and MERCHANDISING. Turning Alien into McDonalds, Star Trek into WalMart. As long as we keep paying our hard-earned cash for this dreck, they will keep churning it out.
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I guess I'll hold my breath - having brothers Scott involved is promising at least...so, i'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I did the same for McGinty, but T:$ was a disappointment...the Remake/reboot frenzy is really pathetic - a lot of the directors/writers we consider as visionaries started on the basis of their ideas!! Not people that reboot franchises. Cameron (terminator), Lucas (SW), Nolan (Memento), Taratino (Reservoir dogs), the Coen Brothers(Blood Simple), Rami (Evil Dead), and on and on and on...Hollywood is, sadly, no longer a meritocracy; its ass kissing and who you know.
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if it's a true origin story, then it would have to be about the space jockeys. there is no way humans will not be front and center. this will never be made. book it.
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From the studio that brought you Fantastic Four! Cast Zach Effron, and have Brett Ratner direct. When Fox is done with that they can call up Joss Whedon to tell him they want to bring back Firefly, only to cancel it four seconds later.
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Why in the name of fuck would you want a "Space Jockey Prequel"?!? The stuff you got tiny glimpses of in the first ALIEN, like the Space Jockey, the Nostromo or even the alien derelict, were all contributing factors to what made it both believable and scary. You saw just enough to blow your mind without having 1979-era makeup and visual effects ruin the creepy mystery factor. Everything else -- where the space jockey or the derelict or even the eggs -- were left completely up to the viewer's imagination. And trust me, a movie studio is pretty much the last place you're gonna find something approximating "imagination" these days. Other than making some Fox execs richer, there is absolutely no justification for this film ... which I guess is something you can say of pretty much every movie Fox made in the last five years or so.
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Terminator Salvation got its ass whomped by a G-rated film last week - we need to skew younger in the demographics, dammit! This next Alien movie has to be suitable for pre-schoolers if it has any hope to be successful at the box office.
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Even though I think Star Trek is one of the best summer films I've ever seen.
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...that came up with this one?
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I agree. and I really think that the idea of having Ripley sacrifice herself at the end in order to protect the world from Aliens was a really big deal. Alien3 was meant to be the cap to the entire story, letting the series stand as one of the all-time great trilogies.of course, money is money. and French auteur filmmakers are...well, you know.and I don't dislike Aliens, I just think of the 3, it's the most "pure action" of all of them. Alien was the introduction, Alien3 was the (in theory) destruction...so Aliens was....The Temple of Doom?actually, that's not a bad analogy, then the abortion that was Indy 4 would be the abortion that is Alien 4...then the Young Indiana Jones series would be like the Alien vs. Predator movies.HOLY SHIT! and this new prequel will be like the inevitable reboot of the Indiana Jones franchise with Shia LeBouf that Lucas wants to do!!that's eerie, man. eerie....
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Can someone please explain to me WHAT THE HELL DALLAS IS DOING IN ALIEN VS PREDATOR 2!!!!!!!
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May 29, 2009 8:22:47 PM CDT
Yawn, I hope it never gets off the fucking ground.
by the gospel according to bastardface
It's insulting, all these fucking remakes and reboots.
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the ground.
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Except Temple of Doom comes before Raiders chronologically.
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It could be an all-CGI kid-flick with an all-star cast!! With Zach Braff as the voice of young Yoda!
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They're called Alien vs. Predator and AVP: Requiem.
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Is going to be a prequel/origins movie as well.
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Before Ben Stiller...
There was...
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See Jason Statham (using that amazing X-Men de-aging technology, of course) take on his first ever mission as an Amazon.com delivery guy and discover just how he came to be known as... The Transporter.
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in what universe???
Have all of the director's cuts and whatnot you want, but in no way, shape, or form does Alien to the third power or whatever its called equal a better movie than Aliens. At it's best, it's an interesting failure. Interesting, and not a failure because of the director, or Sigourney Weaver's effort (arguably, her best of the series) but a failure nonetheless.
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thats right
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here are some more connections, after I've thought about it a little more. (and yes, I can type this fast)
Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark / Alien
-introduce iconic characters
-reinvent genre (action/adventure - sci-fi thriller)
-introduce enemies that will be at the heart of the (good) films
-object must be destroyed to save mankind, even if self-sacrifice is needed
Temple of Doom / Aliens
-more comic relief (Bill Paxton/Elephant)
-interesting characters from first movie are absent, replaced by caricatures (Short Round/Willie/Hicks/(the butch hispanic chick)
-main character acts to save a child(Newt)/children from peril rather than an animal like in the first movie (monkey/cat)
-evil Paul Reiser has no heart, Mum Shivari dude WANTS hearts
Last Crusade / Alien3
-original foes return (Nazis/Aliens)
-characters form previous movies return, but are incapacitated (Brody knocked out, Bishop asks to be turned off)
-new versions of original foes arrive to present new challenges (hot Nazis, dog aliens)
-main character must sacrifice him/herself to save others (Ripley leaps in the lead to kill the alien, Indy retrieves the chalice to save his dad)
-in the end, the story has been completely told!! right?
WRONG!! (Indy 4 / Alien 4)
-new, young hip characters introduced (winona ryder, Shia LeBouf)
-ridiculous plot contrivances are presented to bring characters back into the series (gene splicing/cloning - whatever the fuck was the plot of Indy 4)
-ridiculously bad special effects (crazy bad monkey-looking alien baby, crazy bad alien-looking moneys)
-convoluted plot pretending to be more meaningful than it actually was
-in the end, everything's sucked into/out of a little hole (that's what she said)
-many hints that the story could go on indefinitely with the new contrivances in place
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I will never see this film. I have already imagined the origins of the space jockey to the extent that I need to imagine them. Anything else would be superfluous and ruinous. I happened to catch the Simpsons "Bee Sharps" episode not long ago, and I think George Harrison said it best when he said "It's been done."
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x-men origins: wolverine:originswhat was he like befre we saw him as a sick boy...also zachary quinto goes back in time and we see how spock and kirk actually met at daycare as babies
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rumors said that they are doing alien 5 not a stupid prequel. give me a blowjob.
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I cannot wait for this! I hope we find out why exactly the space jockey ship crash landed, maybe they'll have a scene that shows where the laser light in the big alien egg room comes from! Maybe in the prequels we'll say Luke's father be a badass pilot in the clone wars and maybe even how C3PO and R2D2 meet! I'm really looking forward to this! Prequels are an awesome idea!
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opening day : kazillion dollar$$$$ katching !
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I'd say the same if this was being written by O'Bannon and directed by Scott himself. With Giger on board. For the record, I fucking loved Trek. The franchise needed bringing back to life, it was a decaying corpse. But this? Why? Why do we NEED to be told what happened? WHERE everything came from? Your answer: We don't.
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Last Crusade is a lazy piece of filmmaking. Alien3 is a good film that has no place in the Alien universe.
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Well done that man. Correct on both counts.
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It starts with a day-old turd that gets hit by lightning and turns into a human being.
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I'm thinking Christian Blahdy Bale.
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Scott himself is behind this, and the entire premise is based directly on Alien. With all the face hugging and acide blood, people tend to forget that the actual setup for the story was that an Alien ship on an uncharted planet was sending a warning beacon intended to keep anyone from ever returning to the planet, and that when the company idiots landed anyway they found the remains of the giant Space Jockey, of whose story has never been told.
There is a large story behind the Alien franchise that Ridley Scott has yet to have told, and it would involve no humans whatsoever. Its largely assumed that the Space Jockeys made the aliens as their own personal army which they were destroyed by, but who were they fighting? Maybe some other crazy ass race, or maybe its as simple as a peaceful race creating a bloodthirsty army to fight an enemy they otherwise had no chance against; the PREDATOR.
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i think they should approach the story from another angle, from the point of view of an evil corporation that wants to use these aliens for their benefit like say make them slaves or assassins with the help of some AI of course. and then the main character is an android whos built to transport a special weapon, and blah blah blah you see where am going with this?
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Do an "origin" prequel to Unbreakable! Yeah! Be redundant in a diffrerent way!
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.... makes a fair point, but still. It would be nice to see some, you know, NEW films, no?
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I can see which might show some promise is if they decide to show how the planet the Nostromo later lands on gets taken over by the Aliens.
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is still dull bullshit. But it has enough bleakness and frowning to be "reconsidered." Terminator Salvation will be a favorite for the teenage posers of 2016.
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Did Harry like it? I jest.
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FUCK YOU RINSCH!!! FUCK YOUR MOTHER !!!
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I would normally agree with you in that it's not very sensible to pre-judge a movie with as little info as we have here. That said, I don't agree with you in this particular case. Couple of reasons for this: First, there is absolutely no way that Fox greenlights this without human characters involved. Remember how amazed that people were that Pixar had the balls to open the first 40 minutes of Wall-e with no dialogue? Well that was 40 minutes, and this would be a full feature. Also - Pixar actually does have the balls to stand behind a controversial decision that benefits a film; Fox - well, their track record would seem to indicate that - not so much. Even if this is the Space Jockey story, there will almost certainly be human characters there, and - to put it simply - they don't fucking belong there. Second - Prequelitis is taking over the movies, and I'm fucking tired of it. The dramatic potential for these stories is severely blunted, since we know how things ultimately end up - in this case, with a dead Jockey and a ship full of eggs. Whatever else happens - clever or not - we know that's where it ends. I'm tired of stories that I know the endings to. Also - I don't know why there is this perceived need to de-mystify things! It's fun to speculate about the relationship of the Jockey to the Aliens, but we're robbed of that fun when a definitive answer is presented. Tied in to that is the fact that despite the fact that visual effects are more amazing than they've ever been before, they still don't meet up with our imaginations. I know what my idea of the Alien homeworld looks like, but what are the odds that the version that shows up on screen is as "good" as what I have in my head; that means near inevitable disappointment. I'm not against a new Alien movie, even though the last few have sucked. I'm not against an unproven director. I'm just tired of prequels. Very very very very tired of prequels.
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its ime for a new Alien film..I think people are over reacting to the term REBOOT. Think SEQUEL instead and calm the fuck down. Why are then not just calling it a sequel? A) they don't have plans to cast Sigourney Weaver-as 1 she'd want $$, 2 today's audience asks Sigourney Who?? 3 her story has been told, 4 its time for somebody, anybody else to meet the aliens B) the recent sequels in the frachise were and lets be charitable here, less than ideal C) the term Reboot is current in fashion and garners press
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May 29, 2009 9:32:04 PM CDT
Just don't hit the reboot button with a trunk, please.
by anything but tangerines
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May 29, 2009 9:42:14 PM CDT
The Deer Hunter Rising: Origins - The Beginning
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
I just want to know why they started hunting deer together?
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I would love to see him swinging to safety on the tails of aliens he's killed with a whip. - also, paul blart, space jockey. - It's interesting to note that the LACK of visual effects is something that I think helped the alien movies...ever notice that once they had CG swimming aliens who behaved more like dumb animals and not like the dormant silent captivating menace it's supposed to be, that you weren't interested or scared in the slightest??
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The dead alien kind of looked like a giant hybrid of a man and an elephant with a phallic telescope... nothing jockey-like at all. When I think of a Jockey, I think of a midget who races horses... Its a really stupid sounding term...
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...will keep his head up his Ass, cause that seems to be working just fine for him!!!
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These are the best fifteen minutes of hate ever.
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tired of pussy, wants to pursue acting career now, as a male human what am i supposed to do? huh?
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Is this accepted geek vernacular, like the "Smoke Monster" from LOST? I thought I was pretty familiar with the ALIEN films but I guess I was wrong.
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if only you could stop sucken ships, you would be able to write better more thoughtful comments. btw that gf of yours must be really nasty to like that perverted shit u do to her.
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May 29, 2009 10:10:10 PM CDT
Now that the Scott's are involved, there's nothing to fear.
by ganymede3010
I have full confidence in this prequel now. I still think they shouldn't do it, but since they're having the Scott brothers in charge we have nothing to worry about my fellow hatebackers.
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Seriously, you will hear it all on this site. No matter how batshit insane or illogical it is, it will be pontificated on AICN.
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seems like a cool term to me, i will use it from now on. O:=:O DIOXHOLSTER CERTIFIED O:=:O
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Judge for yourself if Transformers is better than any film this summer: Jetfire WAS a Decepticon that shifted allegiance to the Autobots. Before dying, he gives Optimus Prime his wings to get to the Giza Pyramid, so that the latter could defeat The Fallen. The blonde that Sam meets in college is a Decepticon disguised as a girl. "Alice" is her name, since it was a copy of a human-like Honda robot (This blonde seduces Sam and when a probe was being inserted into his mouth--a.k.a. the tongue of the Decepticon, much to Sam's shock-- Mikaela enters his room...) Optimus Prime goes into stasis (he's not really dead, but it would take like a thousand years for his body to repair itself) after being stabbed by Megatron (Optimus goes mano-o-mano with both Starscream and Megatron in that forest in the trailer). Sam actually dies, and while he was being revived, he sees a vision of the original 13 Primes,killed by the Fallen, telling him that they choose him to be the keeper of the Matrix of Leadership (the dagger-like thingy that Sam picks from the ground in the trailer, produced by the AllSpark thousands of years ago as a key to a machine atop the Pyramid of Giza that produces Energon, a secondary energy source taken from any star, in this case, our sun). Sam uses the Matrix of Leadership crystal to revive Optimus' Spark. Simmons has a major role in the film and becomes a hero of sorts. After being fired from Sector 7, he spent his time in his mother's deli, and he keeps a secret attic above his mom's restaurant, blogging with the name "Robo Warrior" who happens to be discovered by Sam's geek dorm mate.Simmons is responsible for helping out a carrier with coordinates to destroy Devastator by sneaking under the biggest Decepticon ever. And Mikaela gives Simmons a kiss (well, a flying kiss that is, for helping her and Sam). Yes, it has a happy ending.
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even Fincher hates it. it was plagued by rewrites, combining bad parts of different scripts, rushed production, and studio interference. its not some little indy art film that some here want to think it is. its a disaster.all i saw were a bunch of interchangeable bald guys running around in tunnels. and the way they kill the alien is a travesty. The black guy just wrestles him until she can poor hot stuff on it? really?! why did they make a sequel with a wimpy dog alien? it was not worthy of the first two, but its not Fincher's fault.
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But as executive producers they suck horseshit! Does anybody remember that piece of crap remake of "The Andromeda Strain" they executive produced last year? Sure it was for television, sure the budget probably sucked dick, but can you tell me that these 2 guys couldn't find a better script idea than the virus is "a message from the future" and hired less wooden actors than Benjamin Bratt and the rest of that cast. If that's how these executive producers work, god help Alien. I'll pass. Just like I'm passing on Termanitor Salvation. I'll just sit and re-watch my quadrilogy boxset again.
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Better acting, more interesting characters, more artistic visual style. Aliens is still pretty cool though.
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better acting sure but all the characters were interchangeable and the only artistic style was that it was dark as shit. The camera bounced around from shot to shot so much i didnt know what was going on half the time.
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there is a wiki page for space jockey, i had no idea what that meant either although i have seen the first alien like a million times and listened to the commentary as well, i always assumed that the fossil was an alien. im going to pop in the dvd right now and watch this part again.
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alien 3 could have been amazing, as it is though it is just an alright movie. i think the documentary on the making of it on the special edition dvd is actually more interesting than the movie is. Fox fucked Fincher real hard on that one.
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May 29, 2009 11:00:45 PM CDT
Ripley could time travel back, creating an alternate timeline.
by flim springfield
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Spectacular Spider Man (cartoon on CW)
I just saw 2 episodes of this by accident tonight...i love it. My new favorite action adventure cartoon. Not since Samurai Jack has tv animation entralled me in such adventure. It feels like the best of Raimis Spidey mixed with some James Cameron action mixed with Batman old school.
Below is a review i found online to help convey my feelings:
(seek em out and download em so we can watch more together in the upcoming weeks...eh?)
Review:
Spectacular Spider-Man isn't just a great cartoon. It's a great show, period, that is deserving of a better time slot. Seriously, if it were shown during prime-time, it would fare better than most would think.
For one, the action scenes are all fluidly animated. Spiderman moves the way he should. He jumps, flips, swings, and dodges with the greatest of ease. After watching the first season, I don't think I've seen him make the same move in the same way twice—amazing. Not only are the action scenes visually arresting, they're well thought out as well. Yes, Spidey is superhumanly strong, fast, and agile. However, most of his victories come from him using his brain. He defeated Electro by dropping him in a swimming pool. The Shocker gets an abandoned theater brought down around his head. Spidey took out the Sandman by drenching him with wet cement. The Rhino was defeated by being lured into a steam tunnel where he quickly overheated.
Then there is the humor that, so far, has been absent from any version of Spiderman outside of the comics. This show has some vicious one liners that sound like they were written by professional stand up comedian. Case in point, Spidey is fighting the Shocker and just ripping on him. (Shocker—Don't you mock me). (Spidey—Hey, it's what I do. I mock. I'm a mocker). The Green Goblin tells Parker that they should join forces to take over New York City. The hero's response: Are we just talking Manhattan or all five. The snappy writing doesn't end with the tights though.
Peter Parker's more normal life is covered full and well, providing this show with less fantastic and more dramatic character interactions. Pete's relationship with his aunt is more fleshed out and shown to be extremely close, with him having a curfew and suffering restrictions. And it makes sense. After all, they're all that they've got. At school, Pete is the perennial outcast and has to deal with being picked on relentlessly. However, the bullies and valley girls are never cast in a one dimensional light and, as the season progresses, are allowed to grow as characters. Eventually, they even start warming up to him. This is especially evident in the Flash Thompson and Liz Allen characters. The real meat of the slower paced scenes, however, all take place at the Daily Bugle.
J.J.J. is faithfully depicted as the perennial boss from Hell and to hilarious effect. The first time Parker approaches him about taking photos of Spiderman, the guy has him kicked out of the bullpen before he can say anything. Then there is Betty Brant. She is an adult. Parker is sixteen. Yet, there is still an attraction between the two that is resolved in a way that feels right, not forced, and never becomes creepy. I fell out over Aunt May going all the way into Manhattan to tell Brant to back off her teenage nephew, all while dodging a rampaging Rhino. When Parker trounces the bad guy, only to end up losing out with a babe, the show is working on overtime and firing on all cylinders.
The Spectacular Spider-Man has amazing animation, sensational action, side splitting humor, absolutely relatable drama, snappy dialogue, and, lastly, spectacular writing. -
Remake of the remake of the Thing. Title: "The Thing - Redux" Secret US army base on the south pole gets attacked by a whole platoon of "things" they shapeshift into WEREWOLVES. Chris Pine as Kurt Russel and Lindsey Lohan as the Norwegian dog!
The Matrix prequel trilogy. How did Morpheus become Morpheus? War against the machines? WHY HASN'T ANYONE TRIED THAT BEFORE?! IT WILL MAKE MILLIONS!!
The RAY Reboot. Marlon Wayans as Jaimee Fox as Ray Charles. But in the reboot he saves his brother and together they form a musician-crime fighter duo. Together with the help of a small child, a sexy secret agent and a talking Pterodactyl they bring an end to racism as we know it!
I will make millions in Hollywood, Ma! -
That her gynacologist told her that my dick is too large for her vagina!
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`Is that Ridley will take no shit whatsoever from that giant turd Rothman.
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during the abyss of all films!!!
how's that for irony?
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It was called Aliens Vs. Predator.
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That sucks, man, i am sorry. So she is in pain when you two make love? I hope this doesn't put too much of a strain on your relationship. But as far as i know you guys, you will work it out. You're such a nice couple!!
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I love you man! Thanks for your concern!
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The Indy films and the Alien films have both come out in exact order of enjoyableness (it is too a word!).
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You know, I hear a lot that prequels fundamentally have a lot going against them, and I agree. You know where the story is going to end, and that sort of removes a lot of the viewer's investment in the film. But 12 Monkeys was a lot like that, albeit compressed into a single movie. From very early on in the movie, it's clear how the story ends. Ends with James Cole watching himself get gunned down right before a doomsday virus all but extinguishes humanity. The dude with the mustache was ALWAYS easily recognized as a badly disguised Bruce Willis, the woman he's with is easily recognized as Madeline Stowe, and within the first 30 minutes you know that the movie is going to end with Young James Cole watching his older self get shot to death as Kathryn Railly watches in despair. But from that moment on, it kind of enriches the movie in a way. There is absolutely nowhere else for these peoples' stories to end, but the journey is quite fascinating. And this kind of foreknowledge in this case doesn't make me less invested in the movie, it sort of adds another dimension to the characters. I'm no longer rooting for these people to overcome their obstacles, I'm just constantly seeing them as these kinds of sad and tragic figures barreling inevitably towards their doom. The only real surprise at the end was that way that Kathryn Railly looked at 10 year old James Cole after old James Cole had died. No events were actually really any different than I expected, but that one little look told so much. The way that she looked at that total stranger, a little kid in fact, with such a knowing expression full of such a mix of emotions. That absolutely haunting and borderline creepy mix of love, sadness, and pity. I know I've rambled on, but here's my point. The second that you start watching 12 Monkeys and realize how it will end, the rest of the movie sort of works as prequel material. And yet the movie is still excellent, one of the best science fiction movies I can recall seeing in the last fifteen years. The joy (or despair) was in the journey, not the destination. And anyone who ever plans on doing a prequel should damn well know this. Prequels typically suck for the same reason why videogame movies always suck: the filmmakers don't try hard enough. Just as the makers of videogame movies too often rely too much on a built in fanbase and some cool action scenes, prequels are usually done for the same reason...to capitalize on a successful property. There is absolutely no reason why anyone SHOULDN'T be able to make a great Alien prequel. But the Alien prequel WON'T be great, because people typically do not make prequels for artistic reasons. It's about capitalizing on a successful property. Movie X is a big success. So we get Movie W, the story of what happened before Movie X. The only problem is that hardly anyone ever constructs an origin story that's actually worth telling. The ONLY thing giving me any confidence in this is that Ridley Scott is involved. With him, MAYBE we'll get a story that he always intended to tell. Story will still probably be shit. But at least if he always wanted to tell it, there's a chance that it won't just be some lazily and hastily thrown together piece of shit that doesn't add to the overall franchise.
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The Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the Crystal Skulls Prequel. Maybe something with Chinese bad guys. The story how Indy met Short Round. The Story of the somewhat mystical but also somewhat funny circumstances that led to him wearing this fine leather jacket! Finally with today's special effects we can show what is IN THE ARC OF THE COVENANT! Back in the eighties they didn't have the technology! Now we can see it in 3D while the theater chairs swivel in the direction of the emotion you feel! Ryan Reynolds as Indiana Jones, Jared Hess as his funny sidekick Sallah, Jet Li as short round (exciting Nazi wire-fu Battles), Jessica Alba as Marion and Sir Kenneth Brannagh as Hitler wearing a steam punk mech suit with a huge swastika painted on it. "Oh my god, when i saw Hitler in the powersuit i had an instant geekgasm! He rocks like Ripley in Aliens but it's also better because now it's 3D smellovision! Liquid Pussy Chocolate!" I can see it now...
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let me remind you that in Aliens, a WOMAN singlehandedly pinned an Alien to the wall before blowing its face off with a goddamn pistol.
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Man, I'm fucking sick of prequels! Nothing new or terribly interesting is ever introduced, and every prequel Fox or other studios has made has sucked compared to the movie it tried to set up. I'm almost tearing my hair out with frustration over this issue.
Prequels suck. Always and inevitably. I would've thought Tony and Ridley were aware of this, but they've both descended into the haze of aging moviemaker mediocrity. They've thrown in the towel, essentially, and want to make a buck instead of a good movie. Funny how they've capitulated so thoroughly and soul-crushingly. This from the guy who once directed the classic "Alien."
I'm sure Carl Rinsch has talent. I'm sure he directs fairly solid movies. My contention: use that fucking talent for something new and interesting! Jesus Christ, we know every fucking detail there is to know about aliens. We've become so oversaturated with them that they're now actually boring. Boring, I tell you! I never thought I'd write that. Ever!
Yawn.
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May 29, 2009 11:42:24 PM CDT
Alien, Aliens, & Predator= Excellent Movies.....................
by crackerfarmboy
The Alien vs. Predator video games were also excellent (and the newest one looks amazing). Every other Alien or Predator movie has been varying levels of pure shit. One thing we do not need for EITHER franchise (or is it all just one franchise now?) is a reboot. Fuck that. Why mess with timeless classics that still hold up today? You can't recreate that sense of claustrophobia, suspense, tension, isolation, and mystery that the first Alien had. Let alone the action and timing of Aliens. Or even the mystery and shock of Predator. They've been done, move along...Although I still believe an AvP film based upon the video game concept of a three way dance between Aliens, Predators, and Colonial Marines set in space could actually work. But they would have to pass on the hack screenwriters and directors, who have unfortunately ruined any chance of a decent AvP film being made.
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...running a shuttle duty. No! Really it could work: take a look at the Alien deleted cocoon scene, and check out what happened to Brett. The Alien , once it had sex/violence with the Predator, could have melted him into that chair. Actually it's a fun YouTube fan video. Check it out.
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Outgrew the trunk!
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Glad I wasn't the only one.
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with The Citi$en Kane prequel starring some rapper.
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had some things going for it but Fincher was working off a screenplay that needed a lot more work. Though I'm not sure he did the best he could've done with that scrip...
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I remember reading a pretty fantasitic Alien comic years ago where it was several years past the events of Aliens and a new band of colonial marines were shipped out including Vasquez's equally tough and ready cousin (or sister?) vowing revenge against the aliens. The info obtained from the first battle led to modified battle ready exosuits and they visited the planet that was in the original Alien film that brought about the face hugger that stowed the first Alien on the ship. On this planet we discover for the first time the King Aliens who were obviously monstrous in size compared to the Queens. Not sure how hard it is to see the obvious appeal to go this direction with a film if they're going to go anywhere outside of finally having the aliens infest the planet. Get out of modern time, stay away from the predator and get this franchise back on track Fox!
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Similarly, Ridley Scott hasn't made a decent film in decades, and his last great film was Blade Runner. I'm sorry to say it but the man lost the magic after that film. He's a washed up piece of shit. The only thing he can do now is cash in on his past triumphs.
Also, Fincher's Alien 3 was absolute crap. The man has made three decent films in his career, but for some reason fanboys have been letting his failures slide because he has visual flair. Seven, Zodiac and Benjamin Button are the only good films he's come up with. The sooner he forgets about crap like Alien 3 and Fight Club the better. -
After AvP movies, can an Alien prequel actually be worse?!
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2 was the perfect ending. Then FOX decided to turn it into a franchise.
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May 30, 2009 1:01:35 AM CDT
Even better: "Alien Origins: Episode I: Alien Begins"
by flim springfield
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I agree that Ridley Scott lost his way somewhere after "Blade Runner." There were some entertaining small films like "Matchstick Men," "Black Hawk Down" kicked some ass, and "Gladiator" was fun at the time it came out, though its cavernous plot holes grow monstrous over time, rendering it harder and harder to watch.
But "Kingdom of Heaven" (both versions) was a total misfire, "Hannibal" was embarrassingly stupid, "American Gangster" was a another misfire, as was "Body of Lies," and did anyone give a shit about "A Good Year"?
Ridley was great in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. He had vision, pulled inspired performances out of his actors, and chose unusual stories to tell.
But he's lukewarm at best these days. It almost seems like he's grown old and mailed it in. "A Ridley Scott Film" doesn't grab my attention anymore. It only reminds me of how good he once was, and could possibly be again with the right material.
How about an original R-rated science fiction story, Ridley? Something inspired that you can sink your teeth into? Something sans Leonardo DiCaprio or Russell Crowe, giving us new faces in the spotlight? I'd pay to see that. I really would.
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New characters in the Alien Universe encounter an alien, or whatever.
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An origins film. Well I would definitely like to see a little girl in the lead role. A movie led by a young "Noot" type (last of the survivors) character would be good. Like an Anime type cute kid actress holding a flame thrower. The whole kid soldier thing could play into it. Who would want to see A TEN YEAR OLD GIRL DIE. Automatic connection to audience. Get a ten year old girl with a bad ass weapons and a great director. And get "The Rock" for Predator reboot.
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and a massive twat.
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A "little girl" in the lead role of an "Alien" film? You really should rethink that. And it wasn't "Noot," it was "Newt," like a salamander.
Also: an anime type cute kid holding a flame thrower? A kid soldier thing playing into it?
It's obvious you haven't had much experience writing stories, which isn't your fault, but these are marginal ideas at best for an "Alien" film, really horrible and poorly conceived ideas at worst.
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Look at me! I'm so different! Alien3 was a better movie than Aliens! Yeah, RIGHT. You can keep your Alien 3 times the assness. Aliens is the superior film in every regard. Aliens gets your blood racing, Alien3 will have you checking your pulse for any sign of life. What a snoozefest, and I say that as a person who holds the original as his favorite film of all time. But hey, some people prefer the taste of camel dung over a strawberry banana split.
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saying he was sick of prequels? For instance the future war in Terminator is a tale that doesn't need to be told. How is this any different? If any tale does not need to be told it's the whole Space Jockey crap. An alien got loose, killed the crew, ship crashed, the end. It's not worth it to make a crappy film to destroy the mystique of the classic.
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Brilliant! I should be a casting director! He's grafted to his chair and everything! The role he has been preparing himself for for the past 38 years!
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But it'll be a watered down version of what could be. Because, you know, franchise, tie-ins, toys, etc. Does anyone here really expect that a respected franchise from the 1970s and 1980s gets a cool R-rated prequel in this day & age where Cool Shit happens? Wake up & smell reality.
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How is a child character not a good idea. A child left alive to discover a planet takes on the same perception the audience has. We are fearfully discovering an unknown place. Since these films require a certain body count, we can have the lead start out as lost and have other characters in a sub plot rescue mission attempting to find the lost lead child. We wander with the child as she searches for other survivors. The body count begins as the rescue team searches for the lead. The child's responsibility is a metaphor for human adapting to a new environment such as space. She finds weapons almost matching her size and learns to use them. Its scary and empowering. We fear what we know she will encounter sooner or later, the space Jockey. How big or how many is the question.
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and both Godfather 2 and 3 are pointless and pretty much suck.
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Last year Ridley Scott & Tony Scott got together as a production team to do a remake of the "The Andromeda Strain"!! Remember the second half of that mini series? This is just one for the money and two for the show... Ridley Scott!! You want to be remembered for spitting on your own grave?
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"It's about the 'Space Jockey'" is a statement of speculation from AICN, not fact.
Two cast iron reasons why it WON'T be about the 'Space Jockey':
-No one knows about the so-called 'Space Jockey'. (I seen the series multiple times, and sure I remember the fossilised creature in the chair, but like 99.99% of humanity never knew/cared he had a name).
-'Space Jockey' was a 12ft tall alien creature with a snout. What 'star name' is gonna play that one to bring in the punters? Tom fucking Cruise?
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but 3 is crap. didnt care for any of them when i was younger, now i love 2 and like 1.
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May 30, 2009 2:22:26 AM CDT
I read an interview with Ridley Scott a couple of years ago...
by rbatty024
where he pretty much ripped apart Alien. He said he would never make the film in the same way because today's audience would never sit through the extended shots. Scott should start to worry less about "today's audience" and worry more about what makes a good film. Judging by his record he's forgotten how to make one.
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"If I don't like Fincher's better, I'm not a real film geek regardless of its quality." Fucking retards.
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...another franchise.
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For every classic He makes He also lays shitburgers like Hannibal. You know who should make a new Alien movie? NO ONE. Other than that I think Zack Snyder would do a fine job.
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I have GOT to stop reading this site. Way too many bottom-feeding people here who think anything less than "perfection" (in their eyes) means it "sucked". Kingdom of Heave DC, Black Hawk Down... even Body of Lies. All great films.
I have full trust in Ridley... unfortunately, it's yet to be seen how much his involvement in this will actually be. I don't really have too much faith in Tony, and it's hard to believe Fox will let this go through with a decent budget and a fair amount of filmaker control.
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Prob not, Wolverine 4 still made dosh.
It'll probably be them who get involved in the "Buffy Reboot" as well.
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May 30, 2009 3:06:17 AM CDT
The best one can hope for is that it will be utter shit.
by jackpumpkinhead
Because if it's something "tolerable", something that will be summed up as "not as bad as I thought, at least better than those Alien versus Predator movies", THAT will be the worst possibility.
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Expansions, reboots blow them out you ass! Thought Ridley Scott would be happy sitting on top of his mountain of money. Also I was ok with the stuff they suggested in the old Dark Horse comics regarding the Space Jockey. So reading that comic already filled that gap. Don't bother Riddles...
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Time to get away from short–changing our imagination with obviousness. Maybe its time explore the more successful adaptations.Peter Briggs wrote a good piece with his "Alien vs Predator" script and that was ignored in favour of something much inferior, sadly. Maybe let him have a go at this adapting Stephen Bissette?
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it's a terrible affliction. But I'll be just as patient with you, and carefully, in a supporting, non-judgemental way, kindly remind you that even the director of Alien Cubed admits it was a complete mess, though by no fault of his own. Fincher had little to work with, and he made the best of it. But still, the problems with Alien 3 are as follows; the antagonist is almost non-existent in the film. We get neither the balls-out 'they're everwhere' approach of Aliens, nor the tense 'less is more' approach of Alien. Nor to we really care about the protagonists. A half-dog half Alien is running around killing murders and rapists? ok. Fine. Let him. On a purely asthetic level, having the entire cast of protagonists be a bunch of filthy, shaven-headed thugs with cockney accents, running around an equally filthy foundry, combined with the overall tone of the film (everyone I love just died offscreen because the actors didn't want to participate, and I woke up in a dirty shithole full of degenerates with 30 hours to live and can't even think of a reason to not just kill myself and be done with it) makes it an overall unenjoyable experience. It doesn't connect Ripley with the audience on a personal level as the first 2 films did, or even make her relateable as a human being. The script, score and cinematography are completely unmemorable. I cannot quote one single line from Alien3, do not remember the score at all, and the only visual scenes that return to me are the dogs-eye view of the Alien running around the tunnels, which was cheesy and cheap, and the shots of the Alien face to face with Ripley, and her jumping into the Foundry at the end.
I remember so many wonderfully framed shots from the first 2 films I could probably storyboard them. And Aliens script was riddled with memorable quotes, several of which have become cult memes 'they mostly come out at night....mostly', 'nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure' and just about everything that came out of Hudson's mouth. And the score and sound design of Cameron's Aliens were fantastic, notable enough that each and everyone of us can immediately recognize the sound of his pulse rifles. How many sound effects unique to Alien3 could you pick out right now? Right, none.
Basically you're full of shit. You've latched onto the underdog Aliens film for the same reason emos listen to terrible, terrible music - it makes you feel smart to like something other people don't. But in this case, the film really is a turd, it's ok at best, at worst, it's 2 hours of bleak misery. -
since it first came out, I have never understood the ill-feeling towards Alien 3. To me it was a really good ending to Ripleys story (repeat after me; "Resurection never happened - Resurection never happened")
Yes - it was flawed and yes the action set pieces were not handled particularly well. But it was also bold..and stark... and finely acted. The story itself was a good one but I think people were jarred at how visually and tonaly different it was to Aliens. But it managed to be both sad and brutal even in its smaller moments (Newts autopsy and hicks/newt funeral, the "rape" attempt). Fincher took Ripley to new places - into total desperation, and even showed a touch of romance - and still managed to keep her true to the character. To me, all 3 films are classics and I love it as much as they previous two films (even though Aliens would obviously be my desert-island-disc). Overall I think it was a fine film, and I've watched it at least as often as I have watched Alien. When the-installment-that-must-not-be-named was released it only served to further cement in my mind how good Alien 3 actually was in the overal context of the series. -
Just a little bit boring... Glad Fincher sorted his stuff out. Thought Alien Resureection was a pile...
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The planet, from the first film...where they first found the facehugger...was the same planet in the second film.
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It was a bit like a poor mans version of the Gibson Alien 3 script (if only that had been made... Very little Ripley due to coma... Hicks alive, Bishop, super fast Alien mutation and President Arnie at the end of his golden period. Moving away from Ripley at that stage would have been a very interesting move although I'm sure everybody would have felt cheated). Nice colours though (on Resurrection). The series should have stayed dead with the pathetic Alien baby...
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But better than ALIENS, Wonka? Damn. You got some cojones, my friend.
I mean, yeah, it's got better acting and Charles fucking Dance.
And smackfu, what the fuck are you talking about? "How many sound effects unique to Alien3 could you pick out right not?" What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Can't quote any lines? Maybe it's because you were too busy memorizing lines from ALIENS. Yeah, I've seen it a million times, too. I've got that shit burned into my brain. The fact that I can quote ALIENS does not make it a good film.
Anyway, in my daily life I probably quote ALIEN³ more. Who doesn't like to recite Dillon's big inspirational speech in public for no reason? "You want it on your feet? Or on your fuckin' knees. Begging! I ain't much for begging! Nobody ever gave me nothin'! So I say FUCK that thing! Let's fight it!" -
This idea doesn't sound too good. Better than a remake, though.
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I mentioned sound, script, and cinematography, all of these things are kind of key to quality filmmaking. You may notice they even have their own categories at the Oscars. The overall point, is that a memorable script, score, sound and cinematography are all signs of a well crafted film, and an unmemorable script, score, sound and cinematography are all signs of a poorly crafted film. I'm not sure why you two are so gay for Alien3, but imo you're basically delusional. It's a horrible film watched only out of loyalty to the franchise.
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Can anybody in Hollywood figure it out? ...or how about just do simple math or figure out that numbers thing? I give up, Officially. Are you serious? Ridley Scott should set off a thermonuclear device.
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the music and cinematography are pretty bold in "Alien³"— the music is tragic, especially during the establishing shot in the beginning. The cinematography is distinctive and grim, capturing the hostile landscape perfectly.And, I don't even like "Alien³" but, I don't think the photography and the music are the reasons for it's failure as drama. I think the other reasons you stated are pretty solid though.
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goddamn at least just give us a goddamn sequel ok?
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I heard this will feature a young Ripley and she will have midi-chlorians. Tony told his protege to use lots of quick cuts.
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it's special "microclorians" that are carried in the Alien DNA that can be passed magically.
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I singled out the stuff about memorable lines because it is a weak argument for a film's quality. You've got several solid reasons for disliking the film, which is why I tend not to give people shit about it. I know the film is a mess, but I love it in spite of its many, many flaws.
However, I think it has quite a few wonderful and striking images. My favorite shot of the film is during the funeral, with the faces of Ripley, Clemens and Andrews filling the frame. And I really like the funeral scene overall and how it is juxtaposed with the birth of the alien. With some very MEMORABLE music from Elliot Goldenthaal.
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Is way better in the Directors cut edition, with added scenes and a bit more explanation for some of the characters and a way better Alien birth.
I don't know why they insist on prequel and sequelitis when you could quite happily make a good Alien film with an entirely new set of characters in an entirely new situation. The Aliens are a bit like a disease; once they've been discovered theres very little you can do to stop there spread, so put them in a new environment, have someone else discover them on another planet or a derelict ship or something. We don't have to keep following the same old tired storyline. -
Yeah, those scenes are stirring. Also, the prisoner falling into the blade was well done.
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Whedon wiping his brow - if he did indeed kill the franchise, at least he didn't rape the corpse.
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a black mute kid with a flare in this film.
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that needed to be in the theatrical cut. And, even that isn't Fincher's intended version. But, at the time he was 28 or 29 years old, so I don't think he had much pull with Fox at that point.
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I liked the theatrical cut of ALIEN³. But that version looks shittier and shittier as time goes by. I didn't start to really love the film until I watched the assembly cut, which actually creates more plot holes.
And Turtle_Z, you're right about the birth scene. So much fucking better in the assembly cut. The alien in the theatrical version looks like a muppet with Parkinson's. And I think it's missing that awesome shot when the newborn shakes itself off and runs off down the hall screaming like a maniac. Hard to believe that was a rod puppet with the puppeteers taken out in post-production. Could've sworn it was CGI. -
Damn. That'll look good on the poster.
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IF YOU MAKE A 'SPACE JOCKEY' PREQUEL, YOU WILL ABSOLUTELY KILL THE MYSTERY AND AMBIGUITY OF THE ORIGINAL FILM.
Culture is dead. The internet killed culture. Twitter killed culture. Facebook killed culture. It's all over. Nothing will ever be distant or mysterious ever again. It's fucking over. -
Gives you something to unite against, I guess. Still - I remember lots of people being angry about Bush and wanting him gone... then being angry when Obama got in. Guess for y'all it's 'meet the new boss... same as the old boss.'
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It'll kill the original? How? If anything, people will flock to the original if a new version sucks.
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I was trying to draw a link between the fact that, like Bush/Obama, whoever comes in to do Rothman's job after he leaves will be criticised.
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There IS hope. "G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra" comes out on August 7, 2009.Can someone please help us?!
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and almost on par with 1 and 2. It has another horror-theme, despair, and it fulfilled on that level. It has of course it's faults, namely that it is sometimes unclear what is happening - at least if you watch it the first time - but that is also a part of the mood. The inmates are despaired and confused and there is no help or hope till the bitter end. A classic, but not for people who can enjoy a movie only when the "hero wins".
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May 30, 2009 5:15:02 AM CDT
Actually a prequel on the Alien Homeworld COULD work
by alucardvsdracula
If done right, very fucking right. With both Scotts on board it's off to a good start. I've always wanted to know more about the derilict space ship from Alien and that huge fucking space jockey. I remember reading one of the Dark Horse comics years back and they had a cool take on it. Anyway THANK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK it aint a remake. Phew.
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BUT WE JUST GOT OUR ASSES KICKED MAAAAAAAAN!!!!!
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Alien homeworld, yes - Space Jockey, no.
Fuck it'd easy to make this cool.
Denzel Washington and a team of scientists get sucked through a mysterious wormhole that jettisons em out to crash land on a strange and menacing planet (the alien homeworld).
Turns out they're not the only ones to have suffered this fate as a whole bunch of other strange derelict spaceships litter the crash zone.
Denzel and the boys go exploring in a hope of finding a way home and encounter all sorts of Giger-inspired monstrosities.
By the end of the flick only Denzel's left alive and is rescued from certain death by the 'space jockey'. In a bleak finale we see the space jockey ship escape the planet but Denzel looking a little 'ill'. Some sorta stomach ache...
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frankenhampsterz.
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seriously what is it with the old guard. john carpenter, lucas, spielberg...its like they think they can recapture their early success by turning out the same shit over and over again. This film can suck a cock, im not watching it.
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Conans Sword I think you can add Romero to that list. However in Ridley's defense he's not directing this one - and the films he has directed in the last decade haven't been rehashes.
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the rest...the underwater scene..all that shit rocked hard...and had that awesome quirky city of lost children vibe..its a weird movie..i love it
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I get it now. I hated the way they just threw away Hicks and Newt. They could have easily kept Beihn. But I forgive Fincher now and really appreciate the acting. Charles Dance, Pete Postlethwaite, Brian Glover all excelled in this.
Alien 4 was fun, but I see it as being outside canon. A sort of "what if" movie along with the Alien vs Predator films.
So it's
1.Alien
2.Aliens
3.Alien3
I'm excited that Ridley is part of the new film, and equally baffled by the idiots on here that say that he hasn't made a decent film since Bladrunner.
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point taken. im just venting my frustration at the thought of yet another film from my youth that i associate so many good memories with being abused by assholes from fox.
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who produced bladerunner with scott describes him a pointilist like seruat the painter. Deeley book is great by the way.
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It's called money, man. Carpenter, Scott, and others have been in the business for a LOOOONG time. I'm sure that by now they see it as the business that it is. They're going to milk their legacies for cash. Sometimes life is less about "artistic expression" and more about the mortgage payment for the beachfront property in Malibu.
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I'd pay to see that as a Fox film.
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getting chestbursted...but for real
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Actually would probably go see that one.
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It's fun to think we all make a difference, huh? But do we? Stallone made a movie specifically for his the fans with his latest Rambo outing; hard core, blood soaked, ass kicking... and yet? Less than 43 million at the domestic boxoffice!? If this stupid crazy train of PG-13 installments of beloved R rated favorites is ever going to end, we're the last line of defense.
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to play deckard in bladerunner. Its true you know. Scott and deeley had long and detailed discussions with hoffman about the role that went to Harrison ford. eventually. But what shattered ridley scott was the death of his older brother frank from skin cancer.
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As a longtime fan of your site, I would urge you guys to start up a forum, or pleading page for Sly Stallone and his upcoming (rumored to be) PG-13 The Expendables. This CAN NOT HAPPEN. And if you think your site has any REAL power, let's see, shall we? Let's see if we can convince Sly to do the right thing here, and deliver the hard core movie we all want (and as long time fans--DESERVE).
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Yup. Comes out 8-28. More torture porn.
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John Ringo's series needs to be done.
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The chick from AvP 2 gets a new identity and a complete memory erase from the government after the events of the film. Her new name is Ellen Ripley. A wonderful, heartbreaking story of a mother and her daughter finding a new life. At the end of the film she's leaving the Earth with the Nostromo. The movie is rated just PG, because there are absolutely no aliens in it. It's made for Ellen Ripley fans, the same people who enjoyed Alien 3 and 4 - those turds didn't have any proper alien action, just the endless agony of Sigourney Weaver's character.
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DeNiro4Prez (i'd vote for you), you got to look at the big picture for RAMBO - it's an international marquee name - and although it didn't do great domestically it's still taken over $150 million.
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Cobra--Kai, yep the movie pulled in an additional 75 mill or so overseas, but that's not the point. The point being, here we had a guy who didn't pull a Bruce Willis and sell the fuck out, and what did he get for it? A January release date, and lackluster boxoffice returns... here in the states!? So my point is, what's going to keep him and others from going PG-13 the next time around if we don't start supporting their efforts, and too, dismissing the Terminator Salvations of the world, by not buying tickets to them?
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Ridley Scott has always talked about seeing the Alien world and he said he wanted to explore where the space jockey had come from. Could be ok. Could be pants. But can't surely be worse than AVP.
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Rambo did quite well here in europe, its kinda getting a cult status in certain places, which is more fitting than mainstream appeal. also when sly turned up at the bafta awards people went nuts cheering him.
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DeNiro4Prez, yes it is a depressing thought that GI JOE would almost certainly thrash an R rated EXPENDABLES at the box office...
I guess the double whammy of a PG-13 theatrical release / 'unrated' home release is a way of 'having your cake and eating it too'.
Seems that it's becoming an attractive way for studios to package their action genre properties.
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Actually it's not just action flicks - seems like 9 out of 10 of teen comedies are now being pitched that way too.
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You wouldn't hold it against Sly if he sold out? And you see, that right there, on a silver plattern even, IS the problem... but imagine if you, and all of us, DID hold it against him!? What then...? Could we possibly then, change the bastardly course of American cinema (commerce over art)? Probably not. But it sure would be a righteous fight...
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I won't see it. If it has a cast geared toward teens, I won't see it. If there is a funny black guy role in it, I won't see it. If they change the score, I won't see it. Wait, Rothman will have his dirty fucking hands on this, I will not see it.
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here's the redband
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUM3tsFtz_M
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What i'm saying (assumes Nixon voice) is 'it's not selling out when Sly does it'
The guys a fucking legend and as you pointed out he gave us geeks a ultra-hard action movie last year - and not enough Americans went to see it.
So, if he wants to make EXPENDABLES PG-13 and then release a 'harder cut' at a later date, I don't think we can damn him for that.
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May 30, 2009 9:09:56 AM CDT
Alien 3 Lovers are Clinging to Fincher's Balls..................
by crackerfarmboy
The movie was awful. It tossed away the two of the major characters in the series needlessly, it completely ruined the wonderful story that was Aliens, it was morbidly depressing, slow as shit, and just didn't fit with the series or characters. The only reason some of you fanboys are acting like it was Shakespeare is because Fincher went on to make actual good movies. It's all hindsight people! It's a bad movie, that happens to be made by director who went on to make good movies. Just because a director produces an overall good body of work doesn't mean that EVERYTHING they do must be gold. Deal with it!
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ALIENS = Sci fi action
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Yeah they maybe shouldn't be reusing names like that but the Dallas in Requiem is an ex-con, I don't think there's any relation to Captain Dallas from Alien.
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if they hadnt misleaded the public into thinking it was going to take place on earth. as in the trailers clearly showed earth!
then when the film showed up i was like "what the FUCK is this"
It should have been the final conclusion to a huge battle on earth, which is where the series really should have gone, a trilogy, with the final film taking place on earth, and the aliens winning. earth destroyed.
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alien. in fact it was bruce beresford. you learn something new everyday.
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I have always imagined the alien homeworld to be devoid of life. The aliens need other species to re produce, so over time they would have wiped out all other life forms.
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I'm sick to death of prequels, I've got no interest in seeing backstory fleshed out, I want new stories that don't have to limit themselves to being a set up for the original film.
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Bruce beresford was the first choice to direct bladerunner. not alien. Beresford couldnt get to grips with the story. Bladerunner was originally called dangerous days. The title of bladerunner comes from a William S borroughs unpublished piece called blade runner: a movie. So Deeley went to borroughs and asked him could they use that name and borroughs said yes. money was paid to borroughs and that is how Bladderunner got its name.
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Ever since Ridley talked about the Space Jockey I was fairly interested in the idea, but I don't need to see a Prequel to the event in Alien. Alien is Ripley's story but it's big damn universe; Just tell a different story, make it strong, big and don't under-estimate your audience and the geeks will ultimately sort it out afterwards.
Kind of like the the Predator movies before they did a Dracula vs Wolfman thing.
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Alien fans have been clamoring for either Scott or Cameron to come back and do another film in the series for years and years...now we apparently have an new Alien film, at least produced by Scott, but there's just something about this that stinks to high heaven. Fox has so decimated themselves that I really can't see this being any good. Are they making a remake and trying to pass it off as a prequel, or what? I'm really not interested in seeing yet another group of people stuck in a confined space with a single alien: we already had that in Alien 3, and it sucked.
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Is he a dog? Is he like, named after Frost from "Aliens"? The fuck is that about...?
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That's a good nickname...got a good ring to it really.
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...was a very good movie right up to when Ripley falls through the floor. Then it went to complete shit.
And Aliens shits all over Alien3, though I've come to appreciate A3 a lot more since my original viewing, which was the most disappointing movie experience of my life. -
I actually really liked that movie. Not better then Aliens mind you but Better then Alien 3. I thought Joss did a wonderful job with what he had. Sure the Child alien was a little two much, but it fit in with the overall story arch. Ripley by being cloned had become a little more alien, and the alien by being cloned had become a little more Ripley. How hard is that to understand? It was clear they harvested the Sperm from Brad Dourif's character specifically for the birth of the Proto-Alien. Alien 3 was a Giant POS. Ripley somehow gets a queen in her that's delayed for a very long time before it hatches in comparasin to the previous two movies. So if they are back to Prequel or Sequel Alien I'm on board. However if its a remake. Count me out. It wasn't made long enough ago to warrant a remake.
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Did you know Scarecrow, Tin-man, and the Cowardly Lion were friends long before Dorothy ever set foot into Oz? WELL YOU DO NOW!!!
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Man, that's embarassing. I must have been about 7 or 8 at the time, and I was up way past my bedtime (fucking rebel) and it just sort of happened... I fucking loved it too. What a film! That bit with Ron Perlman hanging upside down and blasting an alien in the head was AWESOME!!! And, and, then it turns out that boring girl character was actually a robot! OMFG!! Sadly I'm only being retroactively sarcastic. At the time I genuinely fucking loved that film.
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Granted, the series itself is old, tired, and no longer sacred, but the original film is still a masterpiece. It is far more than just a monster in the dark movie. Remaking Alien is about as smart as remaking Citizen Kane or, perhaps a closer analogy would be 2001. Besides, the idea has been stolen so many times that there is no need to return to the original. A remake would be nowhere near as fresh as the first Alien film.
I love Aliens as much as the next guy and think it is a worthy sequel, but while Aliens is a great action film, Alien is a great film. Period. It truly transcends its genre. -
Winona Ryder. I would.
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May 30, 2009 11:02:57 AM CDT
Twitter makes me feel like an old, old man that hates everything
by stooopider
Fucking Twitter. "Hey i'm about to go take a shit everyone"
What the hell? I think everyone that talks about going on vacation for two weeks on these sites deserves to get burgled by thieves that check their profiles -
I posted this in the earlier "Alien Prequel" thread, too, but - it kinda got lost in the shuffle there. Hopefully this one won't. On Wednesday, I had the chance to see a new print of Aliens at BAM Cinema in Brooklyn, and even though I've seen that movie dozens of times (literally - dozens), a question occurred to me on Wednesday that I hadn't thought of before. In the Director's Cut of Aliens, we see Newt and her family head out to the Space Jockey's ship on company orders due to Burke calling to have the coordinates checked out. Newt's dad comes back to their vehicle with a face hugger attached. Presumably, at this point, he was taken back to the base (Hadley's Hope), to a hospital wing for monitoring ala Cane in the first Alien, where he was eventually chest bursted and died. Now, generally speaking, the chest burster matures into a "drone" Alien. At that point, you would have one drone running around the base with hundreds of humans. That means that to progress from that point to where we find things in Aliens when the marines show up, that one drone, if it wanted to produce more Aliens, would have needed to subdue a colonist, bring that colonist all the way back out to the Jockey's ship, where all of the remaining eggs were, cocooned him/her, and then had a face-hugger from one of the eggs on the Jockey's ship attach to and "impregnate" that person. Rinse and repeat until someone eventually gets impregnated by a queen, at which point the queen heads out from the Jockey's ship, and sets up shop in Sub-Level 03, which is where she is when the marines show up, and which is where basically all of the colonists were cocooned, right? Alternately, I suppose that the original face-hugger that attached to Newt's dad just happened to impregnate him with a queen, but - that seems unlikely. Can anyone else think of any other explanations?
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Every member of Apone's squad starting with Wierzbowski! Alien: Wierzbowski, Alien: Hicks, et al. I'd see that :D
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Methinks they went back out to investigate and more colonists got face-raped. Remember the med lab scene where there were several facehuggers in containment? Probably removed from other colonists that went out to investigate.
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I mean it was very arthouse too because of Jeunet's directing, but quite visully beautiful, with a number of really good scenes. And I always liked Wynona. The Alien baby was retarded though and really ruined an otherwise good movie...
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Both films had visual style, but storywise they were lacking. The way that Alien 3 swiftly did away with some of Ripley's more interesting character growth from Aliens was truly a travesty. Alien 4 had an atrocious ending. However, both films are light years ahead of the Aliens v. Predator movies.
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Cameron's original treatment for Aliens - found on the quadrilogy box set - and the Dark Horse Comic 'Newt's Tale' from the 90's - explains the order of events. Newt's father was impregnated inside the ship - when a platoon of rescuers arrived from the colony, they abseiled into the egg chamber where they recovered the body, although many of them were also attacked by facehuggers and impregnated, before being towed up. So multiple victims incubating chestbusters were brought back to the colony - and clearly one of the early victims harbored a queen. then of course, the queen escaped to the processing station where it grew and harbored more eggs and sent out warriors to capture colonists for breeding.
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except for that part with the nest. which he found dragged the movie. and having scene scots directors cut on tv. I have to agree with jim cameron. it does drag the movie out and makes it less tense.
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Sorry, I forgot that in the director's cut, we do see Newt's father recovered from the derelict; but in any case newt's mother called for mayday, and the rescuers no doubt checked out the ship when they arrived and were also infected.Cameron also talks about this likely conjecture of events in a Q and A session for Starlog magazine back in the 80's, which you may be able to find online.
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Was actually pretty good until about 20 mins from the end when someone realised it might be good and decided to kill it :p
I actually liked AvP tbh. Although requiem is a horrible, horrible thing, the 1st AvP showcases Anderson's flair for delivering visual popcorn. No, it doesn't have the flair or style of any of the first 3 Alien films, but I'd say it's probably a match for Predator and it's certainly a lot of fun. Turn your fan-brain off and enjoy AvP for what it is :) -
makes cloverfield look so unoriginal. but then alien itsself is a remake. of a long forgetten horror movie called It came from beyon the stars.
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For a long time I was pissed at Fox for AVP. I knew it was going to be bad before I saw it, but I was willing to give it a chance. Then I heard that it was going to be directed by Paul Anderson. Then I read that it was going to be PG-13 and I knew I didn't have to see the movie to know exactly what I would be in for. The people I went to college with who were excited about it came back and told me it sucked and that I was right.
Fast forward a few years in my life. I join an Alien/Predator group online and no more than two weeks into my membership I realized that Fox is not to blame for these shitty movies. The blame lies 100% on the fan base. The "new" fan base, I should say. The adolescent morons who have never seen the original film, have played the video games and think that the idea of great cinema is seeing the Predator "kill shit" on the big screen while they fingerblast their girlfriend in a theater full of texting, twittering MySpacers.
These people were jizzing all over themselves in anticipation of AVP2. It came out. It sucked. They all said so. Then they immediately said "yeah but the 3rd one will finally get the series back on track because they will be in SPACE! Fox BETTER get it right!"
No matter how many times I would try to tell these people that if you pay $10 to eat horseshit... TWICE! Then why the hell would Fox care to suddenly serve you up some filet mignon? The next AVP, if there is one, will be straight to video, I guarantee it.
At any rate, the standards have been lowered for art, movies, and music to such an extent that it's pretty much all dead. New ideas aren't allowed. Chances aren't taken.
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GIANT PIG!!!
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or did no one see that one? ripley being reincarnated as part human and part alien stupid moviealien was a horror film aliens was an action film alien3 was a shit and fucking boring filme alien4 was the batman and robin of the franchise but there is no purpose in rebooting the franchise...
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Fucking part 2, Aliens. Hands down. Alien was cool shit, too, if a little slow, but can't compete with Camerons balls-out, action packed masterpiece. Alien 3? Decent movie, cool direction, but doesn't belong in the official cannon. Kinda like those books of the bible they threw out...
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"origin story". two hours of watching the evolution of space bugs is not my idea of a good time. but what about come people who find the space jockey ship before the nostromo, and discover the aliens, and it ends with the last survivor frantically trying to decipher the jockeys' technology and send out a warning to stay away before he (or she) is killed? starring nicholas cage as the queen alien.
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I liked Alien 4, up to the point where the baby alien was introduced. That's two thirds of a good movie the way I calculate it.
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Maybe someone from American Idol can play Nash
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Thanks! That makes sense, I guess!
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Question - do bad sequels devalue the original and cause you to think lesser of it?
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was to bulid up the mystery and the atmosphere of the movie. this made the jolts in the movie more effective.
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the franchise. Many people start picking apart the original movie's flaws, suddenly being dismissive of it as if trying to punish it for the sins of the sequel.
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That bloke might be onto something.
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They clearly hinted the Company knew there was something valuable on that ship in the first film. You could argue they would check out anything unusual, but I think there was a previous human encounter with the Aliens that would serve as the prequel/origin story. Well, actually that was the ideal for AVP... but we'll ignore that.
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Drew has no concept of humor.
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They can, temporarily. Until you get around to revisiting the original. If you still want to, that is.
By the way, anybody who is into written science fiction should avoid the Dune prequels/sequels by spoiled brat Junior Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson at all costs. What we experience here with movie franchises being fucked up is comparatively harmless.
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have to accept that none of thse movies are aimed at us anymore. The tween/youth market is where all of the money is made these days. The studios don;t have the guts to make huge R-rated blockbusters anymore, not since the corporations took over. The system is fucked. And there is no great talent coming through. Where is the new Spielberg, Cameron, McTiernan, Verhoeven? This generation just doens't have the goods, most of them haven't bothered to study film history so whereas Lucas and Spielberg lifted adventure films and serials from the 40s and 50s and gave them a modern overhaul the new kids on the block are just remaking their favourite films from their youth, without the talent of the people that originally made them.
Final word goes to Lawrence Kasdan: "It's very hard to make a movie like Jaws or Star Wars, you have to be enormously talented. It's not George and Steven's fault that the people that copied them weren't talented." -
Alien - A haunted house
Aliens - A roller coaster
Alien 3 - David Letterman's monkey cam.
Alien 3 was terrible, the dumbest script of the four. How can you make the Alien lack motivation and turn it into Jason in a rubber suit? -
"The studios don;t have the guts to make huge R-rated blockbusters anymore". Explain Watchmen.
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Drew sounds like he's a 10-year-old and one of his friends giggled at a joke he made and he ran with it for about an hour.
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I'm still on the fence regarding bad sequels. ALIEN is a case in point - if any movie should be devalued from bad sequels it's this one, and yet... as this tb demonstrates it's still held in the highest regard.
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Perhaps prequels can be more damaging... i've yet to rewatch the original STAR WARS trilogy after seeing the prequels. Wonder if i'll see them with different eyes now (picturing Hayden inside the Vader suit....urghh)...
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Watchmen is the exception that proves the rule.
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Kwisa - it's easy to see the past through rose tinted specs but the likes of Peter Jackson, Guillermo, Alfonso Cuaron, Nolan, Wachowskis, and prob a fair few others are still around, and will be for some decades to come. But you're right, we haven't had a new young director burst on the scene and blow our socks off for a while now.
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I agree with you and I read an article in the sunday times about hannah montana. She may be 16 but she has made billions for disnaey and pocketed some 26 million for herself. Tis all about the famiy these days in hollywood. blame bush and his cronies and the conservative lobby groups for that one. Theres a die prequel coming too...
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prequel coming soon....
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Now you're fucking talking. Yeah Boi!
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Since when did you change your name?
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May 30, 2009 2:12:24 PM CDT
Lucas killed prequels forever. On that note. BIG the Prequel.
by damien chowder
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May 30, 2009 2:15:11 PM CDT
Beaks: Why does it have to be a talented YOUNG screenwriter?
by picardsucks
Don't we have enough YOUNG dipshit CW, Gears of War entranced, Rockstar energy drink enhanced screenwriters in Hollywood?? Who wrote the original Alien? Or Who wrote Star Trek II, Or who adapted Blade Runner, Aliens, The original Predator, Dark City, ect. how about one of those guys who can actually fucking write??? Who knows how to integrate the mythos and pathos of classic literature into a screenplay and not just write a series of video game cutscenes for short attection span Riddilin baby shitheads. I say go old this time Fox's formula for prequels and sequels hiring young "high energy" douchebags raised of Resident Evil as classic Mythos has been a colossal failure for years. No writers born after Empire Strikes Back was released
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What's funny is that it seems the big studios believe adults never go to the movies anymore? Yet 'Gran Torino' made almost 150 million dollars, and the likes of Judd Apatow has made an entire carreer out of catering to this demographic... T2, released less than twenty years ago, was the number 1 film of 1991, by a landslide, even. I would argue that adults haven't stopped going to the movies since that time, just have had very little reason to.
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wanted it to be Aliens Part 2, with marines, sentry guns, an annoying kid, and non-stop action.
Instead, they got a film that was actually somewhat intelligent and well-acted, so they hated it.
Aliens is part of the reason why we got all the AvP crap, because people only wanted to see an Alien film with non-stop action in it.
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I would argue that Aliens (Alien 2) popularity among fans lies lesser to the fact that it was a 'non-stop action' movie, and more with the fact that it was a BRILLIANT 'non-stop action' movie... Alien 3, by contrast, certainly wasn't dull, just was in any way 'brilliant' either.
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We (or at least I) wanted something which was fun as Aliens, and expanded the mythos as much as that film did, neither of which are true about "Alien 3"...which was also a grotesque, sadistic, stupid train wreck. Even David Fincher hates that thing...
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This Movie will show us what Doc Brown was doing before Marty knocked on his door proclaiming he was from the future. It involves a blow-up doll and a can of Dapper Dan Hair grease. Being in an uncompromising position with the lover made out of rubber, Doc is distracted by the knocks on his door, falls and hit his head, thus giving him the idea for the flux capaciter!
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shits out a smelly shitty FFINO movie, then he vomits up a fantastically fucked up POS Wolverine movie that makes said FFINO movie look like fucking Shakespeare, and now a space jockey movie??? Rothman is an epic cunt. Can someone take a pick-axe to this twat before he re-makes POTA?
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That's the affliction some of you folks suffer from, in particular those of you saying "I want to know more about space jockeys, homeworlds, bla bla..."
You're also all mad.
Why is the space jockey's "story" one that "needs to be told"? What possible end does it serve to relay in motion picture form every single Alien incident that's ever occurred in the galaxy? Do you hate mystery, ambiguity and the unknown so much that you need fucking diagrams?
What's so cool about the space jockey is that his is a species and culture just as mysterious and unfathomable as the Alien in the first film. Sure, his fate and that of the humans is common ground but beyond that he's as inscrutable as the acid bleeders. As it should be.
Also, why should we want to know if the Aliens are bio-weapons or naturally evolved? Would you like to see a discovered Alien homeworld, a wellspring which can be destroyed by Terran military might? Or is it perhaps scarier not knowing where among the billions of stars in our galaxy these horrid things evolved, thus denying us the cozy happy end of blowing their shit up?
And would you really like to know that they're a bio-weapon and discover the species behind their development? Or is it scarier simply trying to imagine how mind-blowingly fucked up and awesomely advanced such a culture must be and never know if they're still out there somewhere waiting to be encountered?
If the latter examples in those two scenarios hold no appeal for you whatsoever, then you truly are Rothman's babies. -
...would love to go into my justifications whole hog, but what you basically have is the most poised and moving acting between Weaver and Dance, a fabulous sense of tone from the director, and some really nice ideas that never get a chance to flourish because OF F*CKING PRODUCERS INSISTING ON RE-WRITES!! They wanted Aliens Pt 2, and were getting "Anton Chekhov in Space" instead - cue alarm bells.
Fincher went on to make Seven, but you can see his class just dying to ooze out of Alien 3. I hope they release his directors cut sometime - if it exists.
Feel pity for Vincent Ward who's original ideas would've blown everything else out of the water. Now that would be worth seeing, now we have the technology to create his "chameleon alien" .
As for this prequel....thank-god the Scotts are involved, but I can't help feel it's going to be compromised with disastrous teen sex idols and Nokia product placement (Ruined Star Trek for me - completely!). Hope it's great, but it won't be... :( -
Besides Star Trek?
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---yes it does and you know you'd watch it then-
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...was a pretty good prequel to the Turn of the Screw. And you could argue that parts of Godfather II was a prequel.
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The Godfather part II was part prequel. Now i can' really stand that movie, but it's widely considered a classic, so there you go.
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...but he has a weird habit of chickening out in the face of audience reaction at times. Case in point: Legend. After somewhat unfavorable test screenings in the States, he recut the film into that dreadful American version with the Tangerine Dream score. He also shortened some scenes in the Alien re-release a few years ago due to perceived modern attention span sensibilities.
Sure, he can release all the director's cut special edition DVDs he wants after the fact, but if he's in chicken mode while steering this project, the damage will already be done if it's shown on movie screens. While the DVD market has become home to the most outrageous garbage and the most exquisite art (and everything in between), movie theaters are increasingly becoming the venue of choice for soul-crushing mediocrity in film. -
Fuck Hollywood and the midndless trash they make, Fuck all governments and the lies they spew and money they steal, Fuck organized religion for all it's hypocracy, and FUCK all corporations with all their greedy, lying, scumbag shareholders worldwide. Nuff said.
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May 30, 2009 4:05:33 PM CDT
STAR TREK is a reboot with current gen Spock time travel capers.
by damien chowder
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May 30, 2009 4:11:37 PM CDT
The one thing I always wondered...
by helpful electronic lab partner robot
Though 'wondered' doesn't necessarily mean 'wanted explained to me in another film', was how the company knew the aliens were on the planet to begin with.
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was okay; just not in the same class with Alien and especially Aliens. Should've taken place on Earth, took the series in a new direction, instead just copied the claustrophobic atmospheres of the first two, only with diminishing returns, as the script wasn't near on par with those two... but having said that, Alien 3 is still lightyears ahead of all sequels that have followed.
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May 30, 2009 4:15:08 PM CDT
everytime someone lays out their idea of a 'cool movie' in a for
by smackfu
I die a little inside.
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Wow, that's really profound. I'm positive that is the first time anyone has ever thought those things or expressed them publicly. Thank you for finally saying it. I think we should all chip in and build some kind of memorial to commemorate your revolutionary and controversial ideals. Coincidentally, this is also the first time anyone has ever used sarcasm. Soak it in.
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The fact is, the Alien franchise has produced one of the greatest sequels ever made with its second installment, Aliens (arguably the Godfather, Part II of all scifi films). Perhaps in light of this fact, is the reasons fans, as this TB has proved, hold out hope for another (great sequel)...
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likewise, has produced maybe 2 or 3 really cool flicks out of what, 12!? Yet still, the new Friday opened with over 40 mill. Why? Sentiment and hope, my friend. SENTIMENT and HOPE.
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May 30, 2009 4:32:41 PM CDT
I don't get why people say ALIEN³ is dark and depressing
by caruso_stalker217
And even as a kid it never bothered me that they killed off Hicks and Newt. I mean seriously were people really that pissed when Newt died? It's fucking NEWT, man.
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Kind of like 'The Wonder Years' only with Aliens. Soundtrack by 3 Doors Down.
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Alien was a haunted house story, Aliens was a war movie in space, Alien3 was a different take on the horror move altogether (and altho' muddled still ahead of its time and really rather good).
The saga lost its way with Alien Resurrection, and altho' Aliens vs Predator was better than expected, Requiem was sheer awfulness.
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and that's what the bastards that kept making the Jaws sequels failed to ever learn; show the shark too much, the shark is no longer very scary. Fear of the unknown trumps the fear of the known every time.
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DeNiro4Prez you talk sense, like I said - i'd vote for you.
Caruso, agreed, dead Newt in ALIEN 3 = bonus.
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It's "Pelham 1 2 3"... amateur. ;)
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thanks for the 'vote', but I have to disagree with you regarding Ridley... an artist, a TRUE artist, doesn't know the word COMPROMISE.
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Christ, what a shitty film.
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yeah, pretty 'shitty', alright... but watchable in a 'geez, what a shitty fucking movie' sorta way... and besides, hell, at least it wasn't fucking PG-13...
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Please don't make them a further mockery.
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and their LIVE FREE OR DIE SOFTLY bullSHIT!
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RAMBO... EQUALS BALLS.
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I've got to disagree with you about an artist doesn't know the meaning of the word compromise. A director sure as hell better know that world, because film is a collaborative art form, and sometimes you've got to compromise to make sure the film gets done. You want an actor to go all out for a project, you better be willing to compromise to include some of his opinions or why the fuck should he even try.
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C'mon, the death of Newt was done in such a cheesy fashion. I am all for child-killing, but if you are gonna do it, have balls and do it later in the picture so you can shock the audience.
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'if you are gonna do it, have balls'
You might say the death of Newt was 'neutered'.
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Ripley awakes again from her long sleep. Part 3 and the abortion of 4 was all a nightmare. Hicks and Newt are still alive. It is a little cliche but this is the answer. Also Alien 3 was pretty good, but it had back to back classics to live up to. Akin to what happened to Fan tome menace.
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Remove all prisoners from Alien3 except Charles Dutton and replace with all additional characters from pt 4 into the Alien 3 storyline,,, but set in a remote prison (Antarctica?...Guantanamo Bay?) run by the military on earth,,,,,,Oh yes, pay James Cameron on what ever he wants.......That could have been a good finish. Add a little back story of the space jockey and the alien home world......get a sledgehammer and destroy all copies of 3 & 4...
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It might have been done in that spirit, but it came across as "man, we couldn't get these actors or want to pay their salaries."
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What your saying is true, but the corporations took over in the late 70's/early 80's.
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…has me pulling a Quadrilogy marathon tonight. I said it in the last talkback, I was originally disappointed with A3, but it grew on me. It is what it is and compared to AvP(R) it a masterpiece. On a side note, watching DIe Hard 3 on A&E at the moment, and this is another of example of a movie growing on me.
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As much as I want everyone to think I'm some wanky film student who actually has sat through a movie from the French New Wave, I actually prefer the entertaining stuff. So let's get honest, people:
ALIEN 3 FUCKING SUCKS.
Why? Well, the pseudo-artsy religious angle that was so fucking obvious at the end (Ripley dies in a Jesus Christ Pose? Seriously? Dismissive wank motions all round, then) for one thing. That fantastically intelligent piece of writing that had all the prisoners being bald - so when you saw the chase scenes near the end, you had no fucking idea who was where. That dumb-ass bringing in the real Bishop twist. That fucking pussy move of killing Hicks and Newt offscreen before the movie even started. The way shooting everything with twisty lenses and a sepia tone, then front-loading the movie with English acting thespians of the first order is NOT arty, it's fucking pretentious. The material was shitty, it was all just one big retcon to try and make everyone forget that ALIENS ever happened (although why they'd do that WHO THE FUCK KNOWS?!? I mean, we're talking about Fox here). It fucking sucked.
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Just make a sequel or tell an alternate tale in a story universe. By definition, a prequel story is EXPOSITION, and who the hell wants to sit through two hours of Exposition: The Motion Picture.
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Now that is a movie I want to see!! Holla at me playas!
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…would be considered a classic if it was actually released first in 1979?
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and it will suck eggs
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I hope you get cancer in an organ for each one of those acronyms. I would have loved to know what you were talking about, but I refuse to look them up on basic principal, as I refuse to engage in conversation with the Cingular wireless 'idk my bff jill' girl. As should everyone. Take the extra 4 seconds to spell out your words like a big boy.
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and the Director's Cut is just a slightly longer piece of shit. Bleakness is not a free pass for sloppy story and characterization. I didn't care about any of the characters, aside from Ripley... and I only cared about her thanks to Ridley Scott and James Cameron. Even Fincher hates Alien 3.
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Hasn't yet. Still unwatchable.
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Scott addresses this issue in "Dangerous Days" the doc about Blade Runner. His phrasing isn't "chickening out" but "being realistic". To paraphrase him in the documentary, Look, I'm not stupid. I know when something's not working. At the end of the day, Scott isn't Godard or Robert Altman. He's a fabulist and an entertainer (even more so nowadays than when he first started), so I guess listening to the audience you want to show up to your movie is prudent.
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and for the naysayers, all you are missing out on some cool jungle action when Stargate universe premieres on October.
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ALIEN³ ain't bleak, man.
Anyway, I'm glad they killed Newt right from the start because they'd have to bring in a new actress to play the part and that shit is distracting.
And I still haven't heard a single idea from you clowns that would make a good sequel to ALIENS. I've read a few of the rejected scripts and they were far worse than the finished product, as fucking messy and ass-fucked by Fox as it is.
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It was weird to go from Kirk's cool fun character to the space shots which had that morbid BSG tone. I hope for the next one, they have more fun with the space shots.
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Then he can write himself in as the alien and get locked in a pantry until the final act.
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DID TARANTINO COMPROMISE WITH PULP FICTION? KUBRICK WITH 20O1? SCORSESE WITH GOODFELLAS? SPIELBERG WITH E.T.? FUCKING NOLAN WITH MOMENTO? ART KNOWS NO FUCKING COMPROMISE. PERIOD. THAT IS, UNLESS YOU LIKE THE MOVIE CATCHPHRASE; YIPPIE, KAY-YAH, MOTHER (BLAMMMM!)
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every last fucking one of you!
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Yes, they all compromised. On a fundamental level, all directors compromise between what they have in their head and what they can put on the screen with the money they have. Budget = compromise, period. You find me a film where the the finished product was a million bucks under budget, and there's a director who didn't compromise.
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from Miriam-Webster; 'barren characteristics that utterly dishearten'
Let's see, main character has just buried *the only 2 people she knew in the whole universe*, knows she has little more than a day or 2 to live, which she will spend fending off a feral alien in a prison colony on a barren, desolate rock, surrounded by rapists and murders, with her only friend *in the whole universe* being essentially the least aggressive felon she can find. -
But they're just words, smackfu. They don't really mean anything.
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He can call it what he wants. Like I said, I love most of Scott's work, but his name attached to this project doesn't automatically mean it will be any good. He tends to compromise on the wrong things at times (like Legend).
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Sure it may be shit. but lets think about this. they must be working out some damage control. they can;t really be that fucked in collective head, could they? btw, Alien 3 is not a bad movie. it's just a dark, bleak, ugly movie and people struggle with that. myself included. But that directors cut was a big fucking impovement. and i dont care what any bitch says. Alien Resurrection is criminally underrated. Give me an Alien film choice right now and I'd put that one on
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He thought it was okay. They he saw how it was the most disappointing movie I've ever seen, rented the first two, and totally gets my hatred of that movie now. The only thing I'm still curious about with that movie was a rumor that the ending was going to be Ripley waking up with surgical scars and everything from the moment she learned there was a Queen in her on was a dream sequence. I simply don't get the love for the "potential" of Alien 3. Did you guys actually watch those docs about them? Snow White and the Seven Drarves? Wooden planet with people peeking out into space? The dumped ideas were almost as retarded as the movie they did make. And Aliens wasn't actual because "fans wanted that", it was a thriller because Cameron realized that was the next logic step and trying to remake Alien with another straight horror movie would fail as bad as Alien 3 did because the shock of the initial appears of the chestburst and alien was lost and turning it into a dog/ox/pred-alien/human hybrid would do nothing to change that (as the other movies proved).
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Are evil and want to side with humans for the duration ONLY of the war against the xenomorphs...fully intending to take control of humans at the end.... then we got something to work with here. the predators are not welcome in this film
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I like it! http://aopaul.deviantart.com/art/Biomech-4874875
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You're forgetting something. it wasn't newts dad which exposed the colonists to the aliens. the whole colony was there studying the face huggers. remember? What ever the reasons for that whole terraforming camp set up, the location of this ship being there, as well as the events of the first film was no coincidence, or accident. as for the amount of time which has past. we learn this in a dream only. sure it was in the future, but we never truely know just how far in the future we actually are. don't get me started on the terminators time travel improbabilites. Some films just get too big for their boots it seems
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emo music? heh?the tension in Alien3 wasn't the characters getting killed, it was the fact that a transport was headed to the planet. a transport, incidentally, that contained "the company" that was trying yet again to capture the creature and use it as a biological weapon.
I liked the darker nature of the film, I liked a lot of the things you mention. and some of the things I just don't get. the audience doesn't sympathize with Ripley? well, I did. I thought she was a strong in this film as in the other ones. just cause she doesn't have a huge flamethrower or a robotic bulldozer outfit, she's still tough as ever. not to mention she KILLS herself to save the world from the Alien. and as always, the people that like something give reasons why they personally like it. and people who hate on it, speak about it as thought it is somehow INTRINSICALLY bad. it's just an opinion.I don't hate Aliens, I just think it's been elevated pretty high in the pantheon of film geek lovefests, while I personally find it to be a much weaker sequel to a movie I think is TRULY a classic, Alien.if you know me on this site, I'm not some contrarian who has to hate everything other people like. fuck, I like Will Ferrell, alright?and I don't fucking listen to emo music, I barely know what that really means. I'm 29 and I was living in Europe when the term "emo" took off, so I've never been certain what the shit it means specifically. when I was younger, we called whiny kids with eyeliner "goths". -
I like you, you've got balls and taste, but man you are full of shit. Did Scorsese compromise during "GoodFellas"? HELL YES.
The famous long tracking shot through the Copacabana nightclub came about because Scorsese had to comprimise -The filmmakers could not get permission to go in the short way and this forced them to go round the back. That wasn't what he wanted, that was a C-O-M-P-R-O-M-I-S-E.
Artist can talk about about integrity and sticking with their vision no matter what, but they will probably be doing that talking at the bar or coffee shop because they can't get a movie made. If fucking Shakespeare and Michael Angelo can live with compromise, so can a fucking director.
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I admire you. You are like The Man from La Mancha himself, Don Quixote.
But instead of fighting windmills you fight against the fact that Alien³ sucks. But we will always have dreams of PAVOV'S HOUSE. -
Two simple words: GIANT PIG.
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Ok - regarding your question about how the Aliens were established on LV-426 in Aliens. Some species of insects which have a "hive" heirachy set up (Queen, Workers, Drones etc etc) actually have several natural solutions which address the problem you describe. [br] Firstly - in Earth nature, egg laying Queens of some species can actually CHOOSE what the eggs they lay will become. An established Queen may lay only workers and drones as she obviously doesn't want a competing Queen being born. Secondly, if you take Termites for example; Soldier Termites, also referred to as intercastes can even transform into reproductives, if there is a shortage of Queens in the hive. This process is controlled by pheromones. In the case of the queen, there is a specific ‘queen’ pheromone, preventing other individuals from turning into Queens if she is present. Only if the Queen is removed or dies, does the lack of the specific pheromone promote the development of a new queen. In the directors cut of Alien I beleive we get a scene related to Ripley discovering Dallas (and possibly other members of the crew - I forget), alive and glued to the wall. This could have been because the Soldier that was born on the Nostromo was preparing to either change itself into a reproductive Queen (given the lack of an existing Queen) or was preparing to lay an egg specifically to produce a Queen. Yes - thats right, in some hive species - even the soldiers or workers can lay an egg if the need arises (just not at the speed or scale of a full reproductive Queen). Why then, in Alien, was the Alien not a Queen? There was apparently no other Queen so a lack of queen pheromones should have meant the next alien created from that brood of eggs was a Queen right? Well not always..nature isn't exact like that - and its possible that as the space jockeys ship had laid undisturbed for so long that traces of the original Queens pheromones still existed. To me however - it looked like the Soldier in Alien was going to correct this by either changing into a Queen or by laying a Queen egg (hence keeping Dallas alive and glued to the wall in the directors cut) In Aliens however it is possible that a lack of Queen present did cause the first Alien hatched from Newts Dad to correctly become a reproductive Queen. And even if it didn't produce a Queen correctly like in Alien - this could have been remedied quickly by the Soldier. This also explains why Ripley had a Queen inside her. There was only one egg that we saw in the Cryo-Stasis chamber (Ripley was impregnated first) and as there was no other Queen around, this correctly developed into a Queen in Ripley.
In summary - lets assume the rule is that whenever there is no Queen around - any egg that hatches will produce a queen (the addresses Aliens and Alien 3) and leaves only Alien as the odd-one-out, which as I have explained - the Directors Cuts suggests the Alien was trying to correct this...
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I reject these blanket statements! "It sucks!" "It's a piece of shit!" "WORST MOVIE EVER!"
Is the script a mess? Hell yeah. Plot holes abound? Fuckin' A. Third act is mostly bald dudes running around in a confusing network of corridors for ten minutes? Yes indeed. Generally fucked in the cornhole by Fox? Aaafirmative! But some of the best damn acting of the series can be found here. And Brian Glover!
And this is not an ugly film! Not by any means! This shit looks tight, goddamnit! Motherfucker! Now RESURRECTION is a pretty ugly film. I mean it's well shot and fuck, but shit. I just don't dig the production design.
But overall I do not think ALIEN³ is a bad film. FLAWED AS A MOTHERFUCKER. This is a given. But you can take many fucking individual sequences and scenes and shit and this is some excellent shit. Can you find a single good scene in a Uwe Boll picture, haters of ALIEN³ and (presumably) the films of Uwe Boll?
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RESURRECTION totally could/should have had a lesbian sex scene. Dropped the fucking BALL.
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I can't think of one good scene in ALIEN³, but that is mostly do to me being fucking drunk right now. I am hard pressed to think of a good scene in CITIZEN KANE under the current circumstances.
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"Commander the Alien creatures are everywhere. What should we do?"
"Release the GIANT PIG!" -
After reading my post I think I may have suffered some sort of head trauma, but I have no recollection of that.
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When he's watching his wife sing on stage and he knows she's bad but he claps the loudest and looks all intense and shit.
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Good call.
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May 31, 2009 5:36:09 AM CDT
Completely blanking on the rest of the movie, though
by caruso_stalker217
I think there was some shit about a sled.
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About the Jamaican bobsled team with John Candy.
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Isn't that the one about the Jamaican bobsled team? I think John Candy was in it.
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Good night caruso. Talk about Bale & Herzog's upcoming masterpiece PAVLOV'S HOUSE later.
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Love the scene where he's got Charles Dance in his office, he's all polite, offers him coffee, but the second Ralph Brown leaves the room he tears Dance a new asshole.
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Apart from that awesome ars shotwhen the door comes up on the action cast and you know... this is going to be a shootem up!
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...with the fact that ANY good movie made in the last thirty years is now fair game. The studios seem to think all ideas have been used and that it's easier just to retread on old ones. Mark my words, as soon as the likes of Spielberg and Lucas are gone, films like ET and Starwars will be fair game too.
They'll see the money made from Star Trek, and a forgettable film like that will trigger another round of reboots and remakes. It will take YEARS before there is a backlash as the current generations pile into cinemas to watch recycled dirt. -
...for me was the appearance of the egg on the Sulaco. I feel like we have to take a big leap of faith in being alright with this.
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to the news of remakes..... in the mean time I did a music video check it out. $20 million dollar budget lol ;) Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce0ml7ZERdc ..... They've been playing the song a lot of Miami radio stations, so that's pretty cool.
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has already remade. its called mac and me. Speilberg has gone on record as saying that jurassic park 2 is the closest he will ever come to making a sequel to et. In The greatest sci-fi films never made there is a whole chatper on the origins of ET. revalatory stuff.
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why is Lance getting fucked over?
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May 31, 2009 8:25:16 AM CDT
i do believe when news of the Jaws reboot comes out
by t 1000 xp professional
there will be blood.... i honestly think that there really can be some type of riot or public outcry towards these things...I'm just trying to figure out which movie will be the tipping point.
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Directors compromise all the time... this is true. Shots, with actors, locations, blah, blah, blah... I get it, right? BUT... to COMPROMISE an entire movie--a "supposed" vision-- for the sake of "test audiences" and "test screenings" is TRULY selling the FUCK OUT!? And this is fucking crippling the movie industry... (somewhere in there you may find my point...)
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Regarding the egg in Alien 3, I always looked at it as being like an automatic pistol where you have, say, twelve rounds in a clip and one in the chamber. The alien queen, if her egg-laying pod is destroyed, still has "one in the chamber" for emergencies to ensure the potential of a new colony.
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After what they had all been through, Bishop and Ridley would have searched that ship top to bottom before going to sleep.
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It's 2009, AICN.
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I'm not denying that, but while I'm watching it I need to do something to prevent myself from being bugged by it for the duration.
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So you're not in the A3 lovers fanclub? You may have already stated your opinion, but I CBF'd searching hundreds of posts...
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Actually, I do think Alien 3 is underrated. I'm just not blind to its flaws.
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Unfortunately it is still leagues beneath the first two. And the less said about the fourth one the better. This "Space Jockey" idea could be great, but it will have to have a $200 mil budget, with not a human character in sight to work. Do you really think Fox will go for that?
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Box Office Chart of the top 10 movies this week Top Movies Weekend Gross* Number of Screens Per-Screen Average Weeks in Release Gross to Date* 1 Up Buena Vista $68.2 3766 $18109 1 $68.2 2 Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian Fox $25.5 4101 $6218 2 $105.3 3 Drag Me to Hell Universal $16.6 2508 $6630 1 $16.6 4 Terminator Salvation Warner Bros $16.1 3602 $4481 2 $90.7 5 Star Trek Paramount $12.8 3507 $3650 4 $209.5 6 Angels & Demons Sony $11.2 3464 $3233 3 $104.8 7 Dance Flick Paramount $4.9 2459 $1993 2 $19.2 8 X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fox $3.9 2263 $1723 5 $170.9 9 Ghosts of Girlfriends Past Warner Bros $1.9 1450 $1314 5 $50.0 10 Obsessed Screen Gems $0.7 679 $979 6 $67.5 See movie grades from critics and readers
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"Prayerrrr's they hide the saaaadest view"
"Believing the strangest things... loving the ALIEN"
Bit off topic perhaps, but I felt the need to sneak in one of Bowie's lesser-known hits.
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Apathy. Fuckin' cry me a river.
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A prequel in which a science team discovers the alien eggs on LV426, then taking them back to a planet, only for the usual incidents to happen. Then the GIANT PIG alien race, which is now much larger and more evolved saves them all.
After the credits then have a voiceover from the company telling someone to divert a ship to get one of those lovely eggs.
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May 31, 2009 3:36:40 PM CDT
I don't even bother to explain the egg on the Sulaco
by caruso_stalker217
There is no explanation. I just shrug it off like the rest of the gigantic plot holes.
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"Killing Newt and Hicks the first badly realized misstep in a long line of bad choices for Alien 3."
Amen. There was no reason to kill them off. If you don't want to use those characters, just have the ship continue on its way (after ejecting Ripley's pod). By the time it arrived on Earth a week later, events of Alien3 would have been over.
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had they not died, it would have turned into the last 20 minutes of Aliens. they wouldve had to use another girl to play Newt and that wouldve pissed off tons of people. I think Biehn wanted too much, so they axed him. my point is--the grass is always greener...had they remained alive, wouldve it made Alien3 a better film? probably not. i enjoy in now (as well as then)regardless. i remember my dad buying tickets for my friend and i, but they wouldnt let us in so we had to see Far and Away with my folks. hurm. my dad took us the next day (sans mom) to alien3. i think they had a lot of guts to kill 2 loved characters so arbitrarily in the first few minutes and cleaned the slate to do what they please. the ending also has stuck with me in time, her sacrifice to that beautiful orchestral score. amazing. that is why im totally not on board with alien 4. it was pointless. that being said, it is CUTE for the first half. great character actors all around. ryder misplaced. when ripley gets in on with the alien, i push STOP. that way i dont have to see the down syndrome alien baby eat dourif.
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I like it a lot, it blended ideas from the first 3 movies whilst trying to do something new, no mean feat with film 4 of a franchise about mute alien killers.I agree the first 2 are classics but I think if you look at all 4 films you get a pretty varied and entertaining set of stories.
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What the fuck?
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...serves no other purpose than a big fuck you to Aliens. I understand Ripley had to be alone again on the prison planet, but it could have been done very easily without them being killed.
All it really does is invalidate the emotional investment we had in the Aliens climax.
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that it had the native american guy from the Crow, Ron Fucking Pearlman, Brad Douriff and the nervous guy from Very Bad Things, I thought 'hell yeah, this is going to be 7 kinds of awesome'. Then the second half happened.
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You're not talking about compromise, you're talking about COMPROMISE, aka SELLING OUT. Now, I agree with you there 100-fucking-percent.
I actually have no problem tinkering and changing a movie a little bit based on test audiences (if they are confused about who did what or having trouble following what is going on or where the scene takes place, hey that is good information to know and you can adjust the movie accordingly) but to just say "Shit! Audience hate the ending! Let's change it" is fucking a cop out and weak. I always wonder, would the ending of CHINATOWN been kept nowadays with all the test screening we do? I can imagine that instead of Noah Cross getting away with it, Jake Gittes and Evelyn would have killed the old bastard and rode off into the sunset (or onto Sunset Blvd). But if they had that ending I am sure the film wouldn't be as famous as it is today or as well remembered. Sometimes you don't give the audience what they want, but what they need to make a satisfying movie.
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with your Trek/Alien crossover, but damn it, I would pay good money to see a Star Trek film where they take on the Xenomorphs.
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Exactly. That intro shot of the mercenaries was great. I was thinking that we were going to get a great Alien/Aliens hybrid flick.
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May 31, 2009 4:51:01 PM CDT
Actually I want all movies to be crossovers from now on
by continentalop
Instead of reboots and remakes, I want characters from one franchise and universe pitted against characters from another. I want Kirk, Bones, Spock and a bunch of red shirts to be hunted by Predators; I want Batman to fight Keyser Soze and Hannibal Lector; I want James Bond to take on Anton Chirgurrh; and I want a T-800 and a T-100 to try and kill Tony Stark as he tries to help the Autobots against the Decipticons.
Hey, what do you expect: I actually like watching Spike's The Deadliest Warrior.
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i dont really see it as a big FUCK YOU from fox. its just not the story they were telling. thats what made their deaths so heartbreaking or saddening, WAS the fight for them in the last film and that they died so arbitrarily. Dying more significantly makes no difference.i found the Ripley ressurrection FAR MORE insulting than killing Hicks/Newt. if fans will complain that Hicks and Newt's rescue was completely negated by the opening of Alien3 should take note that Ripley's valiant sacrifice was all for naught due to ALIEN 4's existence. Her death was told beautifully and was actually a poignant and heartfelt moment that should have bookended the trilogy perfectly.
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I've got to politely disagree. Their deaths were not heartbreaking, they were just lazy. Here were two central characters in the last film and they were reduced to a mere throwaway line that they died in the crash.
Imagine watching Return of the Jedi, and when they finally free Han he asked where Chewie and Lando werre and they responded that they died trying to rescue him off camera, before the movie even started. I think a lot of people wouldn't find that poignant but just cheap and infuriating. -
And the fact that she is a cokehead just makes here seem hotter to me.
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i see where you are coming from. Jedi analogy hilarious BTW. you have to agree with me that in any Fincher film there is a minimum amount of audience manipulation though. he wont be pulling out all the stops to get you to feel something. NOT even in Benjamin Button, which is why i love it so much. hes just telling a story his way---cold and detached. anyway, my point is Alien 3 when the doc coldly states "yeah they died" i feel thats for a purpose. HES been cut off from the world so long and a woman at that, he doesnt really know how else to say it. it might have been lazy storytelling but Ripley pulls it off. her sadness that they were gone and dead. i felt that. her stifling her tears and trying to remain strong throughout the beginning of the film. thats what i meant but i see your point as well. Alien 4 sucks though.
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6DB summons her.
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You have to use the Bristol stool chart to rank it. I list it at a 7.
http://tinyurl.com/25wtok
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She's mine. I called her first. No way am I going to let you Six Demon Tea Bag her.
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thats why i love Fincher so much..all of his films have really no false emotion. like his camera is a fly on the wall. and the auidence is just witnessing his story. No overwrought and saccahrine scenes played for maximum effect. almost like watching a documentary. ZODIAC was in every sense the best doc on that subject.
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And was incredibly pissed off that Jolie and Ryder didn't have a lesbo scene, especially after they teased us by having them kiss?
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You make it sound like Ryder being dumb is a bad thing? I don't want to have an intelligent conversation with her, I just want to do a mound of coke and have sex with her.
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"yeah like when im acting its like a truly like uh cathartic performance for me as well as the SNIFFFFFFFF..geez that burns, audience." yeah i dont let her talk defintiely about her acting, which is why i keep her in a big glass jar in the babsement and call her BROCKTOON!
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your name makes my mouth watery
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yeah with Alien 4, i push EJECT at the Ripley alien sex scene. skip the rest. then its an ok film. not as good as the first 3 but different enough. when i want to laugh its fine.
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then why does she think she's to cool for me and David Silver?
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But no attempts at trying to rationalize and justify ALIEN³ will work with me. I am not saying it is the worse movie ever made (and it is no way as bad as ALIEN RESURRECTION) or that it a truly god awful movie (I can understand why some like it) but it is not really part of the Alien series. Aliens built on what was in the original, ALIEN³ just discarded everything to do whatever they wanted instead of having it somehow connected to the other movies. It is more like a Friday the 13th movie were they come up with some wacky explanation of why Jason is back just so we can have more mindless deaths and carnage.
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shame on you all for encouraging such behavior. thats very unjedi like people.
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You're gonna make me blush
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I have a strong feeling Bale is a fan of the snow. How else do you think he stays in EQUILIBRIUM?
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im gonna kickk your ass as soon as im done hanging from the rafters and having my way with BROCKTOON!
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I some times wonder if that means I am gay...
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Including FIGHT CLUB and SE7EN (yes, feel free to attack me now). But ZODIAC, I thought that was just brilliant (except for the fact they shot it on the RED - I hate digital cameras). The movie is suspenseful, disturbing, thought-provoking, funny, insightful and entertaining. It literally has everything you want in a movie (and the overhead shot of the cab before the Zodiac Killer does his first murder in SF is one of the most brilliant shots I have ever see; as was the scene when the Zodiac Killer attacked the couple by the lake - disturbing).
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I heard how awesome she was in that movie and when I went to the theatre to see it for the first half, I was like "What is the big deal?"
Then came the scene at the dinner table when Daniel Day Lewis realizes she has arranged all of their social circle against him, and I was like "Holy shit! She is just as manipulative as Barbara Stanwyck and twice as shallow." That's when I realized what a great character she had made - a self-centered, image conscious, close minded individual who exist completely to live within the confines of her world and cares nothing but her social group and her happiness. It is both selfish, pathetic and touching.
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how adorable, you're so cute, if only i can eat you
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shit i think the police are at my door.
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I didn’t say Paquin didn’t do a good job, I just was more impressed by Ryder’s performance. I thought Paquin did the external stuff better, but Ryder’s ability to convy the internal stuff, and with subtle nuances, was just f’ing brilliant IMO.
But I couldn’t agree more about Mr. Scrosese. The guy knows how to direct actors – he got Sharon Stone and Mark Wahlberg nominated.
If you are an actor working today and want to get nominated or win it, the two best directors for that are Eastwood and Scorsese. Since 1990, the two’s movies have dominated the acting nominations: Eastwood films have gotten 9 nominations and 5 wins since Unforgiven (1992) and Scorsese’s have 11 nominations and 2 wins since Goodfellas (1990) (and if you want to go back since Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore, he has gotten actors nominated 20 times and helped them win it 5 times – and if Leo was willing to be nominated for Best Actor in Departed and if Daniel Day Lewis was put as Supporting Actor for the GONY, you probably could add one more nomination and win to that list).
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When the colony blows, does it take out the derelict ship with the remaining eggs? It seemed to be pretty far away from Hadley's Hope.
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I always believed the reason they killed Newt and Hicks was because the studio (FOX FUX UP) were pissed at Dark Horse Comics for doing some awesome sequel work in the early ALIENS comics. The second graphic novel had Hicks back and being heroic, whereas Newt had her own Origins one-shot (NEWT'S TALE, which was just great) and there was the whole Newt-falling-in-love-with-Colonial-Marine-who-is-actually-an-android-but-has-no-idea thing, which worked brilliantly. Basically, if you want to know how they SHOULD have continued the series from ALIENS, grab a hold of the first two or three ALIENS trade paperbacks from DHC. You will not be disappointed, and it carries on the kick-ass ALIENS ethos, rather than the heavy-handed religious allegory and pretentious art-movie wankery going on in Fincher's ALIEN 3. Bollocks to that "interesting failure" (which I barely managed to stay awake through): the Dark Horse Comics were much, much better.
And ALIEN RESURRECTION would have been better had it been set in Riddick's universe, which it seemed to fit much better. Now THAT is a crossover: RIDDICK VS ALIENS. You're not afraid of the dark, are you?... -
Here in the UK they had Hilary Swank do an advert for some perfum called INSOLENCE. I can't remember who made the perfume, but I do know she's pretty fucking hot at looking insolent. The Swank in definitely fuckable. Especially in THE NEXT KARATE KID. All that and Zen bowling!
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You fucking pervert. I didn't disagree, it's just that we can smell our own.
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That scene where Slater asks her what flavour slushie she wants, and she's teasing him with a piece of red rope liquorice in her mouth, and she says "Cherry". Fucking hell. Teh hotness personified. Fine movie, fine filly!
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You have confirmed that I am correct in liking Swank and Ryder. You are a Professional.
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I want Predators to be hunting Batman, James Bond and John Rambo on the dinosaur island from Jurassic Park.
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A shared love of Lieutenant Andie MacDowell and the goddess in human form that is Nigella Lovegoddess Lawson.
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Call it CLUSTERFUCK. Add Bale as the Space Jockey. Greatness ensues.
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The Scott's let me WAY down!!!
BOYCOTT REMAKES and FORCED SEQUELS!!!
We don't need no stinking Land of the Lost, any Terminating, Spidermen, Predators, Friday the 13ths, Prom Knights, and especially....any studio douche quenched lobotomy inducing sci-fi flicks that rape my childhood experiences in film with a 20 foot long demon cock that makes it so I can never sit again. I HAVE SUCH A HATRED TOWARDS THE INDUSTRY and WHAT IT THINKS "MY GENERATION" wants to see....Knowing very well, some lil' shit is using this site as their focus group for their studio, it would be wise to listen to the voices here besides trying to make a quick and SHAMELESS buck!
"WHERE THE FUCK IS KURT RUSSELL!?!?"
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Bale's Batman teams up with John Connors and Grammaton Cleric John Preston to chase after Patrick Bateman (the American Psycho) who has travelled back in time to a Japanese prison camp where they team up with a young newsie and twin magicians.
I think it should be called BALEOUT! -
Is our love of the white vader and Aunt Beru's cuntdip juice.
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..TO AN APPLE MAC? I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME GOOD PRODUCT PLACEMENT IN WHAT PROMISES TO BE THE REBOOT EPIC OF THE DECADE.
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is this still the great comeback Alien film Ridley was gonna do with Sigourney? How would she fit into a prequel exactly?
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young up and coming actresses also cant do wrong with Woody Allen. sorvino, Cruz, Weist (twice) and keaton all won. Caine did too. others have been nomd too btw.
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Since the 90's Woody Allen's numbers have been pretty close to Eastwood and Scorsese's: 8 nominations and 3 wins. And if you add all the movies he has done since Annie Hall, you are looking at 16 nominations and 6 wins, and the majority of those are going to actresses.
I think QT was on that path (4 nominations between Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown) but than he decided he would rather showcase his knowledge of obscure films and his love of exploitation movies. -
but getting Stone and Walberg acting noms, Scorsese does take the cake.
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fucking 100,000 bond. what the fuck is that? she dont have that kinda money. she should call her girlfriend katie bigalow to bail her out. or ice-t.
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First: Aliens was crap, made entirely out of cardboard. The acting, the dialogue, the characters all resembled cardboard. They couldn't even aspire to being wooden. Second: why do we need to know anything about the so-called "space jockey" or the ship? What could we possibly gain from this knowledge? Not a damn thing.
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I know how this movie will end. It will be a PG-13 Tom Rothman crapfest.
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during the development. Scott was always interested in exploring the aliens origins in Alien V and rounding off Ripleys story. I'm all for a prequel over an AvP3, but they need to round off the series and shouldnt go out on Resurrection. (there was a good movie in AR somewhere)
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Alien >Alien 3> Predator> Aliens > AvP >A:R > Predator 2>AvP2.
You know it to be true.
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Jun 01, 2009 5:02:59 AM CDT
At least they are trying to tell a story I've wanted to see for
by tomimt
I think it would be a pretty ballsy move to do this with only alien species in it. The space jockeys and xenomorphs. At least it could be different.
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Jun 01, 2009 5:19:29 AM CDT
"At least they are trying to tell a story I've wanted to see"
by six demon bag
aww...the fanboy retort...didnt you guys say that about Aliens vs. Predator and Terminator Future War?????enjoy your shitty attempt at cashing in on a bankrupt franchise
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What's wrong about wanting to see a story about the origins of the derelict ship and space jockeys? I have no idea can they pull it off or will the movie even be half watchable. But I prefer for them to at least try.
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no that order is wrong: Alien> Aliens> Predator> Alien 3> Predator 2> Alien R> AvP> AvP:Rectum. AvP: Rectum is a disgrace to celulloid.
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because it's retarded focus group thinking. Look at DocP's excellent post above. It's Bobbafettitis in full swing.
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Scarily, I was about to correct misnomer, when you got there first and in EXACTLY THE SAME ORDER I WOULD!
That's fucking scary. Though not as scary as the fact AVP:R actually GOT MADE.
Enough with the Aliens and the Predators. There's no way they'll ever do them justice the way Dark Horse Comics did way back in the very early 1990s (their direct GN sequel to PREDATOR was fucking AWESOME, and though it was pillaged for ideas for that imagination-challenged piece of shit PREDATOR 2, it would have been a much, much greater movie).
In short: WHO FUCKING CARES? THIS WILL SUCK, DAMMIT!
Oh, and more on the Dr Who debacle back in the last OUTLANDER TB, if you can be arsed. The ennui created by RTD's fucking of that franchise is robbing me of the will to live... -
If there has to be a face-off between all the Bales, Grammaton Cleric Preston has to win. His shit is COLD - he doesn't even register a pulse when he fights! That's how FUCKING PROFESSIONAL Preston is. His heartbeat is FUCKING DISTRAAAAAACTIIIING!!!
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and has some good ideas in it, it's tied with Alien:RAvP and AvP:R are both wretched late term abortions.
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d'oh. I knew what I meant.
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Because I think PREDATOR, barring TERMINATOR 1, is Arnie's finest hour. Just stunning entertainment, start to finish.
Whereas I don't know WHAT the fuck Danny Glover was playing in PREDATOR 2. Bill Paxton couldn't have possibly been any worse, and I couldn't understand a word of what Maria Conchita Alonso was saying. That said, Gary Busey was a blast, and Adam Baldwin got some screen time as a shadowy CIA dude who captures aliens - just before he played a shadowy FBI dude who kills an alien in INDEPENDENCE DAY.
But yeah - I thought PREDATOR 2 was shit, and all the great ideas were ripped off from Dark Horse Comic's first PREDATOR comic/GN. It's well worth a read.
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Conan. But he's also got Total Recall, Predator and Commando that all demand attention.
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stop all this silly arguing. it was not a failure. it was and is a fabulous story of people trapped in a big old house on a dark and stormy night, unwittingly stalked by a monster lurking in the shadows.
aliens was a seminal action-adventure, horror-sci fi drama. it was about ripley going back into the deep dark woods to face a creature that had nearly killed her, and destroying it. -
really the only early arnold i dont like is RAW DEAL. conan 2 and red sonja are pretty bad but in a funny way.
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In fairness, I never did understand the title - the drug is called Librium, and that's the closest the movie comes to referencing its title. I know EQUILIBRIUM could be the title describing the state of the world when its citizens are on Librium, but it never made sense to me.
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Good call. Can't believe I missed out the Cimmerian!
Got to say, I think anyone could've played the part in TOTAL RECALL - originally it was meant for Dennis Quaid (they named the character after him in the end as tribute) in the mid-80s. We got Arnie, who was fine in the role, but I think the real star was Verhoeven, giving it his best direction since ROBOCOP. Nobody does satire on the Western fascination with violence and its fear of overt sexuality like Verhoeven does, and I think he's the secret to RECALL's success. Arnie's good in it, though, as is the three-breasted midget prostitute.
COMMANDO's all kinds of awesome, especially for having the best gay villain until MAD MAX 2 came along and stole the crown. His face when Arnie is describing how great it would be for Bennett to twist the knife in him - Bennett is practically having an orgasm in that scene, which makes me perilously close to pissing myself laughing every time I see it.
I love COMMANDO. The dictionary definition of a so-bad-it's-awesome movie. -
You're overthinking it, and as a result you've got it backwards: Equilibrium refers to "Mental or emotional balance; poise." (Dictionary.com)In this case they've balanced humanity's emotional and violent responses through a drug that even takes it's name from the word equilibrium. That despicable little toley above you got it right.
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is one of the unintentionally funny Taglines for a film ever. Twins even there mother couldnt tell them apart. hilarious. arnie was coasting or floating at that point. Happy keep studios happy with with his one lines and that 1980s style of macho action films. it worked for him untill Jingle all the way, End of days and the sixth day. which were all utterly terrible.
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It was William Hurt or Richard Dreyfuss in the Cronenberg version, and Patrick Swayze in the Bruce Beresford version. None of them have the cojones and comedy timing of Arnie, therefore Arnie wins. "Untie me, yoo ass-holes!!! They be here any minute. They kill yoo all!!!!! My name iz not Quaaaid! grr!!"
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that tagline was supposed to be funny!There was supposed to be a sequel to Twins, you know, where Arnold and Danny fing their long lost sister - it was to be called 'Triplets' - and no, I'm not making this up.
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the best arnie film of all time. One of the best looking arnie film ever. come back john mctiernan now there is man who knows how to make action films. MicheaL deeleys memoirs are superb. I jst finished Blade runnrs, deer hunters and blowing the bloody doors off. is really great. not a coke party in sight.
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Arnies comedy timing was superb. I think he was great and underrated comedian. Which I why I thought Last action hero was superb. " to be or not to be... not to be" "hey farm boy here is a couple of acres" Ill be back.. hah, you didnt know I was going to say that did you" Arnie meets arnie in the foyer of the film premiere and says get outt of my way before turning to himself and saying your such an asshole. priceless. i was going to metion his comedy stylisg in Batman and robin. but that was more farce bad farce.
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it cannot end in the Nostromo picking up the warning beacon because first the beacon has to be discovered by someone else, deciphered by the company, analyzed for possible applications then the plan has to be made to send a crew to acquire the dangerous species without alerting quarantine authorities. hence the last minute replacement of the science officer with an android who programmed the ship to travel within range of the beacon thereby compelling the crew to follow the distress signal protocol, all gently prodded along by ash the android.
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you are mine now! you belong to me!!! take your toy back to the carpet emma!
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1) - Explain the Space Jockey. The mystery of this alien speicies is what makes it so awesome. To see them alive, where they came from would never top the eerie thoughts that go through your head when watching it.
Bringing the Aliens to Earth. I've always hated that idea and AVP2 confirmed my fears that it just doesn't work. Claustrophobic deep space settings make the alien much scarier.
Showing the Alien homeworld. Again it takes away the mystery. However I could maybe buy this if the world is a dead world - an entire deserted planet that looks like the Jockey's ship with endless strange Giger-esque creatures (preferably all different to the Space Jockey itself) fossilised in walls. -
I could live with a direct sequel to Resurrection if it took place decades later with no Ripley and all new characters. I can't say I entirely hate any of the Alien films. They all work to some degree and they're all entirely decrepit in some area but I could watch any of those films anytime. Of course, Alien & Aliens are best. Alien 3 & A:R are not nearly as good but I felt A:R was close to being a very gritty Aliens. But yeah, no more prequels. It's going to get to the point where people will wander out of a cinema saying "Wow! Can't wait for the prequel!" Who the fuck needs them? It's literally a backwards step. And unless there's a really interesting story to be told let's just leave it be and move on. The Space Jockey? Of all "characters". I'll bet they watched all four films and jotted down a bunch of peripheral characters/props to see which was best to kick off a new franchise with.
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i hope there are alot of explosions
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I mean, seriously, only Arnold could pull off playing a pregnant man.
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und I ahm a detectuvh.
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then who the hell am i
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all we know is that the Hadleys Hope blast radius was 30kms (according to Bishop) so although we have no idea how long it took Newts family to get there from the facility - it is possible that they were destroyed, I suppose.
What is a little odd in Aliens however, is that you would think that you would have detailed surveys of a planet that you were going to colonise and terra-form so, I'm unsure how a huge great big crash-landed space ship that was within trasport distance from the facility could have been missed...
Still, James Cameron knows best.
And to the poster above who claims that anybody that likes Alien 3 is just sucking Finchers balls.... STFU.
I have no particular bone for David Fincher and happen to just be of the opinion that Alien 3 is a worthy contribution to the franchise and a very good film based on its own merits, with no regard for the director whatsoever.
Thanks for your rubbish opinion anyway, though. big kiss. -
where Arnie goes into the biker bar and after demanding the clothes kicks there assess and walks out of the bar wearing the biker gear and pair of pink fluffy sun glassses
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the alien saga. I saw his designs in the back of copy of empire magazine early this year. The story we got was of planet of convicts. Wards screeplay was to do with monks. It was a religious planet populated by forrest dweling monks who had a large wooden temple. they had been marooned on the plane and were hoping to get off the planet. They see what they think is a star and they pray to it as rescue beacon. but it crashes. and then we see the acid drolling xenomorph. They find Ripley's space craft and they take her to be some kind of messiah. So she and the mnnks go into combat against the xenomprphs.
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...is fucking miserable from start to finish. I rewatched it the other day and it's god-awful. It makes no fucking sense, either. The opening credits setup is a total gyp: it makes zero sense that eggs would be on board the Sulaco (the queen had detached from her egg sac, and nobody else sure as hell brought any up), and the offscreen deaths of Hicks and Newt are unforgiveably cynical and callous. I had remembered it as being a well-directed film of a weak script, but even the direction is sloppy; Fincher has come a long, long way since that movie.
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" Explain the Space Jockey. The mystery of this alien speicies is what makes it so awesome. To see them alive, where they came from would never top the eerie thoughts that go through your head when watching it."
Agree totally. I love the sheer sense of ancientness in the egg chamber: the feeling that the derelict could have been there for thousands or tens of thousands of years. And while I love the depth suggested, and enjoy thinking about a possible back-story, I don't actually want to see it. -
I think you mean "It! The Terror from Beyond Space".
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In the director's cut of Aliens--I watched it again on Sunday--I could swear that one of the colonists said "…out on the alien fields" which I took to mean they knew the ship was out there.
Also watched Alien again this weekend and during the scene when Ripley is now in charge and accessing mother the company's directive is revealed. The directive states that the alien lifeform is the highest priority. Since they were out of communication range Ash would not have been able to tell them that there was a lifeform. How did they know there was a lifeform? Only thing I can think was that the directives were stepped based on what was found after an initial signal find.
Alien 3 had the worst opening credits. No "Alien" reveal. Just, BAM!, "Alien 3".
Lastly--yes, I also watched Alien: Resurrection again too--why did Wren even bother cutting the queen out of Ripley if she was expendable? Why take the chance of losing it when they could have just let it gestate normally? Besides the fact that that particular clone would have died. -
dude above hit the nail on the head. If the company knew that the Aliens (or just a particularly interesting SOMETHING) was on LV-426, hence the reason why Ash was added as a last minute replacement to the Nostromo, then we have a problem. It is explicitly stated that the colonists were on LV-426 for over 20 years. If they were sent there BECAUSE of the Alien ship, why didn't they explore it until Ripley was rescued? If they just happened to settle on the same planet, how did they NOT know that there was a derelict Alien spacecraft so close to the colony? And furthermore, the close proximity of the colony to the derelict spaceship suggests that the colonists WERE put there because of the Alien. We're never told HOW close the colony is to the ship. But we have people driving out to it on dune buggies, and we're to assume that it was taken out in the colony explosion. So it had to be close. The odds of that happening just by chance would be ridiculously small, unless the colony was only put there because of the presence of the Aliens. So...why wait 20 years to send the colonists to find the Aliens? Why wouldn't the company have already known about the Aliens if they put Ash on the Nostromo because they knew about the Aliens. Honestly, none of that really makes sense to me. Though I usually try to forget it due to the fact that Aliens was so awesome.
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"One thing the Scott brothers are not is stupid".
Well, you're half right. Or right about one of them anyway. When was the last time Tony made a good film? The Hunger and True romance, right? I'd call that resting on your laurels a bit... everything else seems to support that he is indeed very stupid. -
I agree. I always pictured the derelict ship as an egg transport in some alien bio-war. Weren't the eggs in some sort of still-running stasis field before Cain stumbled into it?
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we know that Burke was after "exclusivity" related to the Alien - and we know that it was Burke who sent the colonists out to the co-ordinates. Its more than possible that Wayland Yutani had a grand plan for the colony and it was purposley terra-forming in close proximity to the ship they knew was there.
However - if Burke was not party to these plans, then its possible that that he notified the Colonists that the ship was there without realising this. He was out to make mega bucks for himself, I think. He may not have been acting on behalf of Weylands exactly. By acting on his own greed and contacting the colony, Burke may have set the whole thing in motion long before the comany actually intended to investigate the Alien ship. I still think its a bit weird tho. Why spend billions terra-forming an entire planet just to investigate a single species on one space-craft? Seems like overkill to me. -
while I agree with you as a rule- I think you can take the Aliens to Earth- but it's got to be a ruined shell of a planet. You could put the population living in tunnels beneath the surface to avoid the sun, or something like that. With a bit of imagination, the possibilities are endless. An Alien nest in a giant cathedral like Sagrada Familia in Barcelona or Sacre Coeur in Paris or even St. Paul's in London would be a cool visual and you've got miles of catacombs underneath to play with.What should never be done is putting the Alien in contemporary earth, as AvP: Rectum abundently proved. You don't need a spaceship for claustrophobia
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everyone tries to replicate Cameron's Space Marine formula with little success. So when you see some turd like Anderson saying "I'm a huge fan of the series" he means "I'm a huge fan of Aliens" and will bend over backwards to try to come up with a Cameron-esque plot. Why were there armed troops on an Archaelogical dig? Everyone that tries to do our favourite Xenomorph always looks at the sequel, which is in essence an action film, rather than the original. The Alien is a creature of horror, not action, and it is down to Cameron's immense skill that he managed to attach it successfully to an action movie.The original should be looked at as the template. Except for AvP:rectum. I haven't a fucking clue what those 2 dipshits thought they were doing.
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The AVP movies suffered from what the SPAWN movie did: good source idea (comic books in both cases) but executed by some dumb fuckers with zero idea what they're doing.
AVP the comic was more about the society and customs of the Predators; the Aliens were just the prey they unleashed on whatever planet / ship / whatever they encountered, and provided the jeopardy for the series. The real meat of the story was how the human Machiko became almost an honorary Predator (they tried to keep that in AVP but watered the idea right down) as she was slowly accepted by the Predators, and as she learned to become a better hunter. There were proper, distinct characterisations of the different Predators, and the way they were written gave the series its depth. Had AVP followed the first AVP comics, it would have been fine. Peter Briggs' fan script for AVP followed those comics, and that movie would have actually been half-decet. Unnecessary, but half-decent nonetheless.
SPAWN was a great idea, a good comic, with bad dialogue. Needs rebooting from the gorund up, with Todd McFarlane being kept faaaaaaaaar away from having ANYTHING to do with it. He's a lousy writer of dialogue. Just... UGH. -
Didn't you think (hope) that the lead in AvP was going to go the Machiko route? Some of the Dark Horse pieces are a little too formulaic, but there are some awesome Alien stories in there that I keep hoping each successive AvP movie would adapt too my disappointment.
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Yep - was very much hoping that Sanaa Lathan's character would go Machiko on us, but unfortunately Paul What SHITE! Anderson seems to think some sub-Tetris moving walls temple trap bollocks was more important than watching the two alien races WE PAID TO FUCKING SEE going toe-to-toe with each other. Wanker.
And as for the comics... There were some awesome stories that I'd have LOVED to see come up in movie form, particularly the one about the scientist who managed to make the Aliens do what he said (I believe he was messing with Queen Alien pheromones or something) because it was as much about the madness of a man who thinks he can control something so primal as it was a standard "Aliens run amok" story (which I agree, happened a bit too frequently).
I do remember at one point the Earth got overrun by Aliens, and the Space Jockey returned, told someone from Earth (I think Ripley was involved somewhere here) what his story was, then set about wiping out the Alien threat, only to leave the Earth with a warning that if things got out of hand again, he and his kind would take Earth for themselves and wipe out humanity.
I think I got that roughly right - we're talking about 1992 now, and I've slept since then. I DO remember REALLY enjoying Dark Horse Comics' ALIENS, PREDATOR, STAR WARS and THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD comics back then though. In the early 90s, DHC really OWNED the world of comics! -
Labyrinth. I think it had art by Killian Plunkett. But not when it was called Alien Resurrection. That sucked.
And Jarv, to be fair, it is down to Ridley Scott's immense skill that he managed to make an incredibly successful movie out of the millionth update of Agatha Christie's Ten Little Niggers/Indians. We've seen the same gothic horror/who will be next/haunted mansion a thousand times before. Great direction, great art direction (which is why people make the mistake of calling the film "original" when it's firmly based on the template/s I mentioned just in new wrapping), great film. There's nothing new in the world, but if you're going to do it, do it well.
Strangely enough, in Sydney over the next few Friday nights they're showing these at an arthouse cinema called the Chauvel starting tomorrow night. Then Aliens next week, then Alien 3. No four though, Gremlins after that I think. Heh. Maybe they're telling us something.
I saw Alien when I was about 12, and aside from being knocked out by the Foss ships and Giger gooeyness (didn't get the phallic stuff then), when it came to the chestburster, I laughed. Come on, that thing on a stick is pretty funny...
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And when will Harry ever fucking learn that Cameron doesn't SHOOT in 70mm even if 70mm prints ARE struck? Jesus Christ... -
Are you going to see them in the theater?
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Erm, yeah. We call theatres cinemas here. 'Cause y'know, theatres are where you see plays.
Just got home from it actually. It was the director's cut, too, which was a surprise! Theatrically! I'm pretty sure that as well as the cocoon room scene a few frames were trimmed from the chestburster sequence, and the blatant man-in-suit flailing about under the engine bit at the end. Maybe it was my imagination, I'll have to check the quadrilogy.
It was great to see a good print on the big screen again. What a great movie. Best use of strobe lighting ever, and I love how 5 minutes after being totally against Ripley, Parker is completely on her side re: letting Ash back in the ship, while still being completely in character. The pacing is pretty perfect, too. Gotta love the strategic use of real oysters on the facehugger! -
Excellent. Though a live-stage Alien production would be pretty sweet too. :D
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You can use the strobe lights and everything! Ripley running up and down the aisles! Rubber facehuggers dropping from the ceiling! I can see it now! :P
Apparently that Alien 'experience' thing they had in Piccadilly or wherever it was was a bit tits though.
I wanna go to the Giger bar in Tokyo. Is that still there? -
http://tinyurl.com/6rgepw Bar+Museum in Stwitzerland looks amazing.
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