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First a Predator reboot and now... Alien?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. If I were an evil mastermind trying to frame a movie studio, make them look like the biggest fools with the most money-hungry, lowest common denominator lifeless franchise-killing products I couldn't do anything to top what Rothman and Co have been doing to Fox for the last half-dozen years.
Bloody-Disgusting broke a rumor late last night that Fox was remaking Alien and they have since updated their story with info from another source that confirms that Fox is moving on an Alien movie, but it'll be more of a reboot/origins type story than a remake.
Judging by Fox's recent decisions, I'm sure instead of seeing the Space Cowboy in a scary, atmospheric thriller somehow modern day teens will be Twittering from a luxury space shuttle trip that goes awry and ends up on the Alien home world. The PG-13 blood-less, non-atmospheric mayhem will be fast-cut, shakey and filled with CGI smears running around.
Perhaps I'm not giving them enough credit and being a knee-jerk fanboy. That last part is certainly true, but it's an educated knee-jerk. Hell, this could all come to nothing, but considering B-D got the jump on the Rodriguez PREDATOR reboot at Fox I'd say they're pretty trustworthy.
If B-D's source is as solid as I think he/she/it is, then commercial director Carl Rinsch looks to be directing with Ridley and Tony Scott producing. That's the only bit that gives me hope it can survive the Fox suits. /film has a great story listing a bunch of Rinsch's commercials. I've embedded a couple of my favorites below.
If I hear anything further (hint hint email me hint) I'll make sure to pass it along.
What do you folks think?
-Quint
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ah another rothman masterpiece.
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We're already remaking Alien and Predator? Ridiculous. Let's remake a film that needs to be remade... how about Star Wars Ep I,II,III?
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here's hoping anyway....
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May 28, 2009 6:19:30 AM CDT
Didn't Ridley Scott say recently that he would like to reboot it
by dastickboy
On first glance this is horrifying news. But I'm sure I saw an article, saying Scott wanted to go back to the property and tell a new story. I think Alien would actually work, as it's infinitely rebootable. Just tell different people's encounters with the Alien. One story doesn't have to tie in with another. Personally I'd just like to see it back in safe hands.
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Hopefully they do make it just like above. I'd love to see a teen version of alien, I always wondered what "the breakfast alien club" would be like. This could be as good if not better than Jason x!
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I'd like to volunteer.
Cesareo, that's the only time I've ever laughed at a first. "nononono first nonono"!
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If Scott directs it, that's fine - otherwise leave well alone. Look what happened to Fox's The Omen remake/reboot/crapheap - that wasn't churned out to make a quick buck, was it? I think we all appreciated the artistic value that presented.
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It'd still be all shaky and fast cut. It's difficult to differentiate between Ridley and Tony these days. Which makes me sad.
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How long til they remake Blade Runner?
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can't we simply stop production of this and move on to a film that really needs to be made? The fans demand Aliens Vs Predator Vs Rocky right flippin' now!
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this crap is getting ridiculous. We the fans are being screwed over by the studios trying to get a new fanbase. I'm afraid we will never again see a high quality spacealien movie again. Aliens was the last great one while 3 and ressurection were garbage. Fox need to listen to us for once in their lives.
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It does not get me wanting a beer.
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STOP. JUST FUCKING STOP.
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Cast Miley Cyrus as Ripley and her dad as Hudson. Zac Effron can be Hicks.
The Aliens can be pink with big, adorable eyes and require shooting with friendship guns in order to make them nice again. And we all learn a valuable lesson.....the end.
Awwwwww, isn't that a neat idea Hollywood? Golly gosh I'd love to see that movie...so marketable. -
why god why
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Word
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but still, its fox it'll suck gigantoballs
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Tom Rothman's home address to the PLO. That was my initial and only reaction.
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Camera cuts to close up of teenager screaming as boyfriend gets brains blown out by aliens cock-mouth. Possibly a token black guy
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A good quality, intelligent flick with real suspense. Not the lame ass shit that has spewed since Aliens. What would be cool is to see, how those fuckers ever got off their home planet in the first place. (Probably already explained in the Dark Horse comics...but I don't count that)
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Fuck Rothman. Fuck FOX. Same old song and dance. I'm glad I'm a bookworm because between the glut of garbage TV and garbage movies there is less and less I give a shit about coming out of Hollywood.
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You know it's coming.
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NEWS JUST IN...
An early shift cleaner at the Fox Studios this morning reported to police that there was a disturbance in the Fox archive.
Inside, the vault was a mess with celluloid spread everywhere and vast quantities of bodily fluids found over a large proportion of the famous studios back catalogue of much loved films.
Upon first inspection, a police source claimed it was as if somebody had physically and violently raped the studios proud heritage.
No sign of a forced entry into the archive leads police to believe it could be an inside job. Senior executives will be interviewed later today. Tom Rothman, on board a private jet heading for an undisclosed South American country with no extradition treaty, could not be reached for comment.
Rumours persist that whilst in South America, Rothman plans to take a massive shit and attempt to have it released as the next installment in the X-Men franchise. -
May 28, 2009 6:44:26 AM CDT
Mathieu Kassovitz to direct Vin Diesel in Alien: Origins
by spandau belly
They tricked him again!
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I was under the impression that in order to be remade/re-imagined, the original source material had to be at least somewhat questionable. But now there seems to be a shift of remaking quality movies. It's the 70's!...are people somehow repulsed by any film made in this period that they MUST see a cheap re-imagining. I'm getting the impression people want to see mediocrity. Not great, not bad, just something in between, lukewarm water.
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What if its different characters encountering Aliens for the first time on a different level? Dark Horse comics did this type of material for years and it was very entertaining.
I know Ripley is the Madonna of all Sci-fi movies but The Franchise is called Aliens.
As long as its Not trying to be a shot by shot duplicate of the original Classic (and if thats the case I'm not interested) A re-boot could be accomplished as long as the material is respected. -
Not everything needs a "reboot" or an "origins story".
I could see updating Star Trek. I was totally great with Batman. But the Aliens movies (other than 3 and 4) were fucking amazing...
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Who will have the most influence? I mean Alien felt like a Stanley Kubrick film. Not to mention Blade Runner. On the other hand Tony Scott feels like a low budget Michael Bay. Lot of cuts and speed up, nice (but in a postcard kinda way) cinematography. I would say that the brothers has nothing in common. If they produce it together it could end up as a mess.
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Fuckin' On X
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Damn You Michael Bay
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even if played be Megan "uglythumbs" Fox
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You can all give yourselves a pat on the back.
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$$$$$$$ - that's why! Holy shit!
There is no need to reboot Alien or Aliens - these films are classics. A reboot will not bring anything new to the franchise or the genre in general. You know it will a PG-13 piece-of-shit like AVP and AVP:R. Rothman has run the franchise into the ground. Now he wants to rape whats left of it.
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Not a fan of Alien, but it led to Aliens. And remaking Aliens, while not impossible in terms of success, will be difficult.
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so why not? Superclone Ripley completely drained the last bit of actual humanity out of the story, so I'm game for anything at this point. Assuming he's involved, a Geiger-designed Alien planet would be impressive to see no doubt. Of course this will most likely be a total shitfest, completely devoid of what made the first two work so well, but for reasons that are fanboy in nature I wanna have faith in this.
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What If this re-make deal applied to everything?
For Instance what if Art Museums decided that paintings from the likes of Da Vinci, Picasso, etc. were too old and needed to be remade to please modern day audiences? -
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...or indeed any other crap that Fox throws at us. Will they be rebooting Avatar before the Jim Cameron version is released?
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become the director of A Good Year, American Gangster and Body of Lies? Answers on a postcard please.
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It will be worse than that. FOX paving it's way to be the next Orion Pictures!
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May 28, 2009 7:13:10 AM CDT
Hey! Remember that classic/foreign language/tv series you love.
by duke_whittington
...well here's our version with all the love taken out of it.
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And ONE HUNDRED aliens instead of one, each of them EXTREEEEEEEEME and UPDATED for the YOUNG URBAN VIEWER, with tons of EXCITING ACTION SCENES all filmed in GLORIOUS SHAKE CAM! Won't it be great?
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as they deserve.
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Push Rothman out of a window!! He must be the best in a long line of people who Murdick employs to suck his cock. Anything with Fox's name isn't getting any off my cash. At least it will save my eyes from a fucking at the end of the year.
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I just don't think it's likely to turn out to be good. I don't mind remakes and reboots in and of themselves, but thus far, Fox has not exactly been the home for well-considered, expertly-executed, dynamic re-interpretations of classic material.I'm betting I'll probably pass.
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The first three miniseries' worth of DH Aliens comics pissed all over the actual movie sequels that were produced. Get some hot, 20-something actressed to play Newt and bring back Michael Biehn. DO it!
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I guess the dead alien that had hosted the "bad" alien until it burst through it's chest? I want to see that thing's story. I'd watch that movie. A scary movie completely sans humans. Hmmm . . .
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I think you nailed it. Origin story that leads to a Colonial Marine expedition to the Alien homeworld in the next installment.
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Good Lord NO. NO. NO. I think this makes it official that we've all crossed over into some insane twisted version of the real world. Y2K is when it happened.
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I don't recall him saying he'd reboot the series, but I do recall his commentary on Alien where he expressed interest in returning to that world, mainly to put a little more focus on the Space Jockey aliens.
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Hollywood's current obsession with reboots/remakes is so depressing. I understand the underlying reasons the suits want these productions, but it's all very disheartening for genuine movie buffs, fanboys and geeks.
Why not simply tell a completely original tale of a horrifying alien encounter - without any connection to the Alien films.
I can't wait for the Bladerunner, and the Godfather reboots. Why not reboot Lawrence of Arabia too! All these films were certainly deeply flawed and need a touch of the Rothman magic. Sigh.... -
The studio has consistantly failed to make any quality films for some years now, they continue to destroy the brands of the properties they have (Alien, Predator, X-Men, Die Hard, Fantastic Four) they do nothing but churn out embarassing, unentertaining crap time after time; they can only be losing money, I'd have to guess. Rothman wouldn't know a good idea if he was fucking it for God's sakes. How the hell can he still be running the damn studio??
20th Century Fox used to be the paragon of great movie studios. Some of my all-time favorite films are Fox movies. This guy has overseen the production of some HORRIBLE films since he's been there, and I have a hard time thinking of ANY good ones since maybe X2 or Moulin Rouge. And to consistantly erode the public's love for the studio's properties by producing flimsy sequels and reboots (or in the cases of FF, Daredevil and Elektra, ruining them from the start,) I can't imagine what kind of blackmail material he must have on the Fox Board of Directors to keep his damn job.
God, I wish Avatar was coming from a different studio. That movie's gonna make so much money that Rothman will be able to use that to bolster the studio's claim of all-around "success" and it'll give even less reason for his ouster. Fuck Tom Rothman. Fuck him up his stupid ass. -
$100.00 says they'll give the script duties to Kurtzman and Orci.
We're all fucked.
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of his commercial with the alien Heineken popping out of the girl's stomach. Therefore, he has enough experience. Logical, right?
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then it should be Danny Boyle. After Sunshine and 28 Days Later I think he could handle Alien's genre crossover perfectly. Otherwise I'm not interested. At all.
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I think it'll be awesome.
I mean, it's not like anyone needs to hear some big-titted starlet say "Fuck me hard!". And it's not like we need to see tits either. A good figure-hugging top can be just as good as naked bouncy tits.
So I think the porn industry can make a lot of money by going the PG-13 route. And making hard core porn movies, with fully clothed actors dry-humping, and saying things like "Ride me with that long muscle, parental-substitute"
And I just won't understand why adults won't want to pay 14 bucks to see this masterpiece.
Yours sincerely,
A. N. Studio Exec. -
It's not something so expensive, it's not something unobtainable, it's not something that can be researched and test-marketed in order to find it, and it's not something horribly time-consuming...
It's called QUALITY.
It's called Dedication to the Worthiness of your Films. It's called Coming Up with an Original Idea from time to time. It's called Hiring Good Writers and Good Filmmakers and letting them do their jobs.
Warners did it with the Batman movies. They even took the Batman property from being a laughingstock, a cautionary tale of how NOT to direct a franchise, and they turned it into the model of how to get things done right.
You know what? I even heard about this small group a few years back - they were a bunch of young filmmakers with new ideas and they took advantage of new technologies available to make their own kinds of movies. They made some films, keeping the majority of the creative decisions in-house, avoiding a lot of outside mismanagement. They made entertainment and story the top priorities, and they refused from the start to pander to the public or dumb their movies down for the sake of selling a few more tickets. These guys call themselves PIXAR. And they seem to have a pretty good track record, if I recall correctly.
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Alien is a fucking classic. Aliens is an excellent action sci fi movie. I feel slightly better knowing that the Scotts are producing, however still nervous. Don't cast teens, keen the continunity, let it be rated R, make sure the script, story and cast and tip top, keep the effects mostly practical with serious attention to details, involve Giger, MAKE IT FUCKING SCARY AND SERIOUS.
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...of elephant-like alien was sitting behind the penis shaped gun (?)/telescope(?) was doing on that planet when the chest burster jumped through its ribcage.
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I can just imagine how that pitch meeting went:
Rothman: We need another franchise. Which one can we reboot?
Flunky #1: How 'bout 'Back to The Future' We all know how kids love time-travel stories, right?
Rothman: Do we even own that?
Flunky #1: Does it matter? We'll just rename it. Cast that Fox chick, the one from Transformers. It'll be gold.
Rothman: Nah, Spielberg will want to be involved, and he's a hack.
(general laughter, nods of agreement)
Flunky #2: How 'bout Alien!
(room goes silent)
Rothman: Yeah, I like it. Only, we'll have to ditch the truckers-in-space, working class crap. Today's teens will never relate to that.
(everyone nods)
Rothman (now in deep thought): We could lose the shadows and fog shit too. Kids want to SEE the alien.
Flunky #2: A Special Effects extravaganza.
Rothman: Lots of lens flare. And that real, shaky kind of style. We have to make it more REAL!
Flunky #3: I like it. A young cast. Lot's of T&A. Hey, is that Fox chick available?
Flunky #4 (sheepishly raises hand): What about the plot?
(room goes quiet. everyone stare and flunky #4)
Flunky #4: Well ... it was just an idea.
Rothman (hitting the com button on his desk): Have security escort ... what's your name?
Flunky #4: Bob
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He keeps his job cos he sucks Murdicks cock. End your internal discussion now. He'd most likely let him fuck his newborn child to death if it kept him in a job. I will not pay to see ANY Fox movie now while Rothman is in charge. This includes Avatar. In fact, if any of you go see it after all the bitching about Rothman you all spout, you are all fuckwits and a lower form of life than he his. At least he gets paid to suck Murdick off. By seeing Avatar you will in fact be paying to suck Murdick off.
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There just eating themselves now, Hollywood is dying and ideas like this are helping it along.
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Oh! Good for you! You're walking in that giant yellow exoskeleton...La-De-Dah!
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Now I'm faced with a moral quandry.
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Start with a single cell under a microscope. At the end of 10 minutes, we see it start to divide before a time cut... It'll be so big, they'll need to break it up into two parts to get all the way to an egg. And this way, the studio doesn't have to worry about residuals for writers or actors.
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FUCK THE FUCK OFF, LEAVE FUCKING ALIEN ALONE
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I don't care anymore.
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Unacceptable. Die in fire fuckheads. Alien 5 directed by Neil Marshall set on cyberpunk Earth after the Auriga crashes.
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Why do we need to know the origin of the Xenomorph? Its an elemental force of nature, a perfect predator - we don't need to know where it came from!! It just exists - it can't be stopped.
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what tmade the original groundbreaking was the fact that audiences really werent expecting what they saw. this is utterly pointless and stupid. SICK OF THESE REMAKE REBOOTS shit.
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I'm going to cut his heart out with a spoon.Watched the ads: Fuck, no. No.I second Neil Marshall.
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V'Shael: "I want to make a hard-core porn"
Alfie Boy: "we need to know (why) that species of elephant-like alien was sitting behind the penis shaped gun"
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... why you knobheads on here get your fucking knickers in such a twist at each and every mention of a reboot/remake or whatever of a classic old movie. It's really starting to make me wonder if everyone of you is fucking retarded in the head. Firstly who gives a shit if they remake this Starwars, Bladerunner etc, are you that much of a simpleton that the very notion of a film based on a previous film makes you go all demented.. i mean, come on, it's a fucking movie, to listen you lot you'd think someone was talking about gang raping some immediate family member. What is it with the people on this site, if you're not bitching about a film that hasn’t even been released, your bitching about fucking rumours, infact all this site seems to be lately is a bunch of crybaby dickheads who bemoan every single piece of movie news that gets uttered here, this site isn’t filled with movie lovers, just basement dwelling cretins who vent at every single bit of information regarding scripts, rumours, upcoming films & released films. I consider myself a fucking huge Alien fan, have an original movie poster signed by the entire cast including scott along with numerous sideshow collectibles and every book and comic that even mentions Aliens all taking pride of place in my living room, yet like the Thing remake another of my favourite movies, i don't see this as anything other than a tried and tested great fucking story told in a hopefully new and interesting way whereas you lot only ever seem to jump on the "they raped my fucking childhood" bandwagon.. It's a fucking business, don't like it.. which you lot clearly don't, dont fucking go see it then vote with your wallet... and oh yes, look at how your fucking protests went with Transformers!
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Six Demon Bag is right, the original appeal of ALIEN was its mystery.
The enigmatic poster art only showed the cracking egg. Audiences back then only knew two things about that flick - that it was sci fi and that it was scary.
If you do a 'remake' its pointless - you will NEVER better the original.
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I really hope the tv spots say that just like the 'Star Trek" ones
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Alien 3 is good. Alien resurrection is 2/3 good. It's only AvP and AvP:Rectum that are utter dogshit- and it's because of them that Rothman thinks it will be acceptable to assrape the xenomorphs. Again.
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May 28, 2009 8:10:21 AM CDT
"a luxury space shuttle trip that goes awry and ends up on the A
by rev_skarekroe
I actually like that idea.
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I so don't care anymore. Drew wrote a good piece on the remakes the other day saying stuff like "you THINK you want to see the Clone Wars, but trust me: you don't." The backstory of Alien to me has always been a "what if" scenario in my mind. Pretty much the crew of the Sulaco found what amounts to a nuclear weapon, and they ignorantly pushed the button. The concept of a bio-weapon was always glorious to me, and I really just don't want to see that movie made. I have plenty of ideas in my mind for how it could play out, but really... we don't need it. And yes, the idea of a PG-13-cuz-we-gotta-make-fat-stacks is distressing. All I can hope for is a movie that is more substance than style, and I have become jaded to the point where I doubt it can happen.
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I'd set it on an Alien infested earth, with our heroes holed up in a military building or something. Basically, like Dawn of the Dead (Romero's one, not that fuckwit re-make)but with loads of Aliens instead of zombies. That'd be cool.
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The reason people despair is because they LOVE movies and the artform/entertainment/medium it is. Constant remakes, reimaginings, reboots, whatever the crap euphemism is this month for what these twats do, demeans it, destroys imagination and originality. Going back and rewriting works of literature is not an option, so why is a medium like movie making treated with such contempt by the people who purport to love it? Who control it!? There is SO much waiting to be made that could be SO good, but the problem is there is no courage anymore from these dicks.
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Exactly. This shit makes me angry.
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...after the fuck ups that were Aliens Vs Predator 1&2 they now want to fuck the franchises up in their own self contained worlds. That's like hitting somebody in the face with a crowbar AFTER you've emptied a shotgun into somebodies head. Way to go, Fox fucks. When is somebody going to fucking nuke that place.
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"a tried and tested great fucking story told in a hopefully new and interesting way " - highly unlikely given the involvement of Fox and Rothman.
Reboots/remakes are ok if the original film was deeply flawed or the new production team can add a genuinely interesting new twist to the formula - but this rarely happens.
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If you do the same again (Alien versus man in the confines of a spaceship or a moon base) it's simply not going to be compelling. We've seen that four times now.
You have to take a chance and do something completely different...
Alien home world.
What would that be like? Maybe like Starship Troopers but with all the underground tunnels made out of Alien goo? Maybe a jungle planet? Maybe an ice planet? Maybe even a planet where the Aliens aren't at the top of the food chain.
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To wash away the taste of Murdicks black jism if you see Avatar. You'll have to shower like a gang-rape victim, with bleach and the hottest water if you see Avatar. Those of us with conviction in our hearts and the strengh of the pillar in our minds to resist the call of Lord Cameron to recieve an ocular lovefest, will look upon you with pity, knowing that we will blessed forever more for renouncing Satan and his nutsack lickers, Rothman and Murdick. With every decision he makes to ruin Fox, it will become cooler and cooler to be able to say that you stayed true to geekdom and did not see Avatar.
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"The PG-13 blood-less, non-atmospheric mayhem will be fast-cut, shakey and filled with CGI smears running around."
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Fuck this.
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It is HER character that makes the whole thing so interesting. She was a totally genre-busting hero - a new kind of female star. That is why Aliens and then Alien 3 are so satisfying, they are about exploring her character, and putting her through the most horrible situations. FOX will never understand this. They think it is about monsters who burst out of your tum. It IS, of course, but that is secondary to Ripley.
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I'd take Alien Resurrection - hell I'd take AVP - over an Alien remake any day. I'm tired of Hollywood bastardizing these franchises with "reboots" (which are the same thing as remakes, don't fool yourselves). First that hack Nolan destroys the Batman series and then Bond's legacy has turned to shit with the robotic Daniel Craig. Don't allow this beloved sci-fi classic suffer the same fate!
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pirate Avatar. You know this is the way to go, and it's the only fair punishment to fox for this shit. Anyone remember the AvP:Rectum fiasco when all those fucking plants turned up saying shit like "See it or they won't make proper R rated movies any more". That's what we're headed for.
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friend, i will tell you what I think. First, agree with you 100% is every fucking previously made series going to be remade/rebooted...fuck man i just give up...really I do. As time goes on it just looks like we will get less and less new ideas...its getting depressing at this point. That why I dont give a fuck what anyone says about Cameron, at least he is trying to do something original and different. For that alone he has my respect considering the current state of affairs.
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American Gangster was a good, solid movie! Sure, not up there with Blade Runner or even with the visuals of 1492 (a turkey, but visually beautiful); Ridley Scott can still make a decent flick.
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Aaaaaargggghh! oh god no! Pre-Alien 90120 or worse. CGI space jockeys walking around, no Giger, no edgy cast, no 'Dune A Team' of designers...
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thinking is that it leads to moronic shit like the Predalien. Fox will, in a misbegotten attempt to be creative, come up with some unholy bollocks like tiger striped dayglo Aliens or some such bollocks. Fuck this. Keep the Alien hidden- it's at its best when it pops out of the shadows and fucks people up.
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Hollywood was the geeks winning, and Hollywood going out of its way to cater to us. In retrospect did we really need to see the clone wars?...No we did nt, because it was always so much better and cooler in our imaginations. And look what we got. Same with terminator...do we really want to see the future war? ....we think we did, but no we didnt. The glimpes we got in the first 2 movies was just enough to make our imaginations soar. And now look at the result because Hollywood thought thats what we wanted.
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i will officially boycott hollywood.
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Please, PLEASE! NOBODY GIVES A FUCK, DAMN IT.
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so I will just refrain from saying anything further as Im really just burnt out...
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OOOOOOOOOOOOO! NO! NO! DON'T DO IT! DON'T! The only flaw in the original is the lameo "head-thru-the-hole-in-table" trick with Ash. Everything else is basically note perfect: acting, score, set design, lighting, direction...even the opening titles are excellent and impart a real sense of mystery and dread. Perhaps my favorite movie of all time, I wasn't really old enough to see it in a theater but my dad took me anyway (after weeks of pestering) and it impacted me profoundly. Maybe as important a movie to me as Star Wars. No! No! NO! NOOOOO!
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a good thing, enigma is a good thing. The prequal trilogy ruined Vader because we didnt and should nt have seen so much about Vader...Same here, we dont NEED to know where the aliens come from, The answer can only dissapoint and never live up to our imaginations...
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that videogame stories are more creative and interesting than hollywood lately. Hollywood should really think about hiring some of those guys to come up with some original material.
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But the studio wanted AvP instead. Go fucking figure. Why don't Fox just ask them to make a 2 minute trailer with quick cuts, people will flock to it even if there's no actual movie.
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the worst thing that happened to hollywood was the rise of marketing. These fucks and their idiotic focus groups are what lead to utter horseshit like Terminator 4. Think about it- what would happen if the original Alien went before a focus group? It wouldn't be what it is. That's why whenever I see "reshot after testing badly" I know it's another marketing driven film by committee.
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From the space in his grave you can hear Stan Winston scream. NO...no...no...no.
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It was far from perfect or great art but it worked. Amazing visuals and ideas, not always well-executed. I do think Sigourney as "Number Eight" opened up the Ripley character to a slew of new possibilities, if they choose to use them in the future.
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Because assholes continue to see his movies. A vs. P made 180 million worldwide, Wolverine made over 310 million worldwide, Fantastic Four 1 made 330 million worldwide, and the Fantastic Four 2 made 290 million worldwide. All are shitty movies, but people go to see them. You cannot knock Fox if they are continually profitable. The guy makes money, albeit the movies are God-awful.
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You are so correct about that. The Future War, The Clone Wars and what happened after the first Matrix are so much better in our imaginations because there are no constraints, budget or Rothmans in there to fuck it up. It's why I'm firmly against any attempts to make HP Lovecraft movies. The imagey that flows in my mind from those stories could NEVER be put on film.
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directors. But to be honest I think he has hit a rut, American Gangster was dissapointing, a fairly good movie, but really nothing all that special or memorable. Have nt seen body of lies yet but I hear bad things. Agood year was ok too, not bad, but again just ok. Imho these are movies unworthy of Scott. I love The Duelists,Alien, Blade Runner, black Rain, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down. 1492 is underrated i agree, but its a flawed movie. The directors cut of KOH was way superior, not classic, but pretty damn good. However Scott has misfired a number of times e.g legend (sorry but watch that movie now and its quite godawful), gijane, white squall are all style over substance (his biggest weakness sometimes imho). Though i really enjoyed matchstick men. But I hate Hannibel with a serious passion, sorry but that movie was just garbage....
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While we're at it. Even things that really don't need it, that haven't aged at all, that are probably better left alone...Just for kicks.
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...and the difference is? No, really.
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happens. can even be bothered to get irate any more.
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they might not be great, but the BO #'s prove that people enjoyed them....and all 3 named by you named were certainly more enjoyable than 90% of so called good movies...who the fuck willing sat thru Ben Button a second time?
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sci-fi because he was so inspired by what Cameron showed him of Avatar. Apparantly he has nt done sci-fi all this time because he believed it had all been done, that there are no new ideas etc..Until he was shown Avatar. Now he is making The forever war....in 3D no less...
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theres a limit.
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hard time caring about his robin hood. Im sorry but what more can be added to this fucking story. There are already so many RB movies, several of them considered classic. Why in heavens name is Scott wasting his time with this? Oh well at least it will look beautiful, and Crowe will get another chance to research the crap out of a role and go all method actor....
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Not.
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Beyond all kinds of wrong!
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Matrix sequels, Halloween remake, Star Wars Prequels and Clone Wars shit, Future War in Terminator, Wolverine. There's plenty more but these are all things that explained something that should have been kept shrouded in mystery.
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can only work with Crowe? Crowes a great actor, but it would be nice to see a different face in a scott movie again....but then again the last time that happened we got fucking plank of wood Bloom in KOH. Ok....i take that back...Please make all your movies with with Crowe Ridley, all is forgiven!
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How many Frances the Talking Mule or Ma and Pa Kettle movies did they make?On the other hand, it really IS starting to seem like every film that's not foreign or independent is a sequel or a remake. That's the problem with the geeks inheriting the earth. Comic Books and TV shows and Monster Movies are designed to be perpetual story machines.The stories don't all have to be good as long as there's another one next week, next month, next year. That's what you've settled for. Why gripe now? It's not like the Universal Horror series in the 30's and 40's kept getting better and better with each installment. 1 or 2 good movies and then downhill. It's ALWAYS been this way...
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in that they've all been superfluous since the first one. As long as they're not actually remaking Alien - which I doubt they are if Ridley Scott is actually involved.
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Repeat after me, asshead: "BOX OFFICE DOES NOT EQUAL QAULITY" It's people like you that are partially responsible for this shite. I bet you're 12.
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Mystery requires imagination and brain power. 2 things lacking in many of todays movie going, ADD riddled public.
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I remember when I used to go to ALIEN movies, back when there was still hope for good entertainment. But even then, since the greatness of the first two, everything was a disappointment...or just SUCKED.
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I saw these movies via HBO/bootleg and yes, I think they suck. Many people do have a difference of opinion, but in my personal opinion, I think the movies I listed are terrible movies. My opinion is not the end all; it’s just my personal opinion. I always see people bitching about the quality, yet, they'll go see the movies 3 times in the theatres. One cannot knock the fact that although universally criticized, Rothman makes money for his company. He is a great businessman.
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check out marketsaw.com. They have got some real concept art from Avatar. Apparantly from the official concept art book thats coming
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LIke when Spielberg produced Poltergeist.
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Geez, do the studio execs sit around watching DVDs going "Hey, that would be a good movie to remake!" instead of reading original screenplays sent to their door? I'm 35 years old and I never thought I'd see the same movies come out twice in my lifetime, sooner or later the sacred cows will be remade (Star Wars, Jaws, etc.) and then that's when the movie business has officially jumped the shark. (and I get that I don't have to go out and watch this bullshit, but it's still a movie that's taking away from another movie being made or promoted against and the new generation of kids are going to buy into poor quality movie making because they don't know any better).
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flying gunships. Very anime imho...
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Marketing is king. Why do you think Wolverines 2nd week drop was 75%? Marketing got the fucktards in on the first weekend, who then, pissed off as they were about being conned out of their cash for that POS, made sure their friends didn't have to sit through it.
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I have ever fucking heard.
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AICN keeps blaming rothman for everything and STILL they watch everything he put out. quint, did you watch x3 in theater? how about FF? wolverine?
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Why?
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I hate the fact the people bemoan the fact that people Like and Enjoy popcorn films...I'd much rather have a Van Helsing than a Ben Button, a Wolverine over A There will be Blood ( I cant stand pretentious OSCAR grab flicks) or Iron Man over TDK ......certainly those film aren't on my all time top ten, but they cetainly get viewed a lot in my household...
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Box office is the only measure that truly matters? What cynical, soulless anti-artistic shite. How about longevity. Don't forget Blade Runner or The Thing died on their arse in the cinema and yet still provide a steady revenue stream (and will continue to do so) long after the disposable popcorn fluff like FF is forgotten. You want the best example? Star Wars- over 30 years old, spawned 5 sequels still sells DVD's and merchandise by the bucketload. Whereas who bought a fucking Jar Jar toy?
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opening weekend and inflate the numbers and the confidence of the studios JUST LIKE T:$...so, please, quit your bitching about hollywood remakes, cynical cash-grab sequels - those who saw T:$ opening weekend or those who are planning to see TF2 ARE EXACTLY WHAT THE STUDIOS WANTS and who perpetuate the creative bankruptcy of Hollywood...I mean why take a chance? Rebrand/reboot a tested franchise and the sheople will watch anyways (and then complain afterwards)...Hilarious...
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Who is the bigger asshole? Discuss. . .
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I always try to keep an open mind about stuff like this but I think these re-boots are bordering on the ridiculous. Why do the upper level muckity mucks have to re-boot movies that don't need re-boots? Alien doesn't need a re-boot. A new story? perhaps. Prequel? maybe the origin as part of the new story... Predator? Same thing. Re-boot equals box office plain and simple. I have no problem re-booting a series that's gotten ridiculous and needs a fresh start(Batman anyone?). But aside from Aliens vs. Predator type stuff, Predator had one great and one merely ok movie (arguable). Fresh storytelling and good direction is what is needed.
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This is weak auce right there.
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Quantify "enjoyable" and I'd argue that the dizzying drop off in box-office from Week 1 onwards actually suggests that the majority of people that saw it didn't enjoy it.
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Why do directors think quick cutting somehow makes things more interesting? I couldn't even follow what that first commercial was supposed to be about. Ugh.
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May 28, 2009 9:23:08 AM CDT
Things that shouldn't have been done: cont'd
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
The demystification of Hannibal Lecter (in both the shitfest sequel and prequel) Superman's son The lovechild of a rainbow lollypop and a kaleidescope named Speed Racer Watchmen
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American Gangster was fine, my point was that anybody could have made it really. As Fortunesfool pointed out Ridley and Tony Scott are virtually indistinguishable these days.
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The whole company doesn't know how to do anything right.
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According to Empire's/BD's scoop. Would be absolutely pointless to remake Alien, Scott wouldn't sanction it, he's already been kicking around the idea of another Alien film so this sounds like he's taking on a production role and hiring a protogee commercials director (like himself) to get it made. Could be interesting.
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The first film was horror, and you didn't know what to expect. The more familiar you were with the aliens, the less scary they became and the franchise shifted to more of a sci-fi/action series. The same can be said of Terminator vs Terminator 2, and then the following sequels. A horror film became an action film, which became lesser action sequels. The only way this works, is as a true horror film, which almost no one in Hollywood knows how to make. Admittedly I have not seen Drag Me to Hell yet.
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no and fucking thrice no
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IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO SEE ALL THE FUCKING TOOLS WHO THOUGHT THE NEW TREK WAS 'GREAT FUN!' POST THEIR POSITIVELY INANE COMMENTS IN THE ENDLESS TALKBACKS THAT WILL SPRING UP ON AICN EVERYTIME A FUCKING GRIP INTERN SENDS IN A PHOTO OF SOMEONE'S BOOT HEAL.
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Funny. Can we also add Live Free or Die Soft 4.0 to it?
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Consider the original Alien-Trilogy as a once beautiful prom-queen (yes, I'm including the well-intentioned, high quality, yet flawed Alien-3 in that group). But, by the time of Alien Resurrection and the twin AVP abominations, that once beautiful prom-queen had been reduced to a crack-using, teeth-falling-out, burnt-out whore. So, instead to vainly attempting to rehab the burnt-out whore and continue on within the existing story-line/universe, it's better to simply go back to the beginning and re-tell (or completely revamp) the origins of the creature and of the first humans to make contact. But, *ONLY* if it is a SERIOUS and QUALITY effort on behalf of FOX. Getting the Scotts involved is a good first step. But it's ONLY a first step. Time will tell...
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...and I'll let Rothman live.
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we have no new ideas, are pathetic in living in the past memories, fuck this shit and anyone who is down with it.
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Is going to be as effective as a fart in a wind tunnel. But at least when FF: Sue Gets Her Tits Out makes only £28 on the opening night, I'll be able to hold my head high and say it wasn't my fault.
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Haven't seen it, but I'll bet that it's a pointless bag of shit that explains the cave creatures and gives background on the women,
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Kill Ripley in the first 15 minutes of Alien: BULLSHITSUBTITLE. That's how you do it- reason being that it removes her from the ongoing series and closes the door on the originals. As a bonus it allows a new heroine/ hero to emerge as you won't have a fucking clue who will survive if Ripley's dead. And no-one obvious. Remember Ripley herself wasn't the obvious survivor of the first movie.
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now every movie wants to do prequel/origin story. just one more thing i hate about the new starwars.
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despite the high probability that it will suck harder than a toothless hooker with a vacuum cleaner stuck to her ass.
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The ALIEN saga doesn't need a REBOOT or a REMAKE. It needs an end.Based on the little information I'm seeing I can tell already that this is classic 20th Century Fox....1. They hire a director based on his visual style as opposed to his ability to tell a story.2. They hire some one to write a story who's in love with Cameron's ALIENS and they throw together all of the best parts and create something so sub par that it makes Alien Resurrection look like a masterpiece [thanks for the shit story Joss Whedon]3. The trailer premieres and it looks promising.4. The movie releases to a 29 million dollar 4 day total and the film fails.
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In a case like Alien? Basically that just says that Ripley will not be in it, or that she will be played by a different actress, it's not like there is a lot of steadfast rules to it or a certain look, all the alien movies were pretty different. (atmosphere and genre wise nearly every single one of them was a reboot)
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till AVP. Yes, it's a rule of diminishing returns, but I found a lot of enjoyment in Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. They still tried new things, and still had iconic, disturbing imagery. (Bald Ripley suicide, Clone Ripleys etc) Unfortunately, if this remake happens, it will be more like AVP. Also: How can you remake a franchise, that was in the theaters just last year?
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Why would you reboot movies that are near perfect like Alien? Oh yeah, just to make some easy money from people who have bad taste and who like funding stupdi reboots with their box office admission money...crazy
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Why not write a NEW movie?
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You people drank the Star Trek Kool-Aid too. You'll drink this Alien Reboot Kool-Aid too.
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Now that 3D is getting better and better - give the original Alien the 3D treatment, put it out in IMAX and tell no-one that it is the original movie from 79 in the trailers. Then see how much many it makes.
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Coming soon: Fred Savage and Judge Reinhold are doing a reboot of Krull!
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May 28, 2009 9:48:49 AM CDT
If you loved the new Star Trek, you have no right to complain
by gruntybear
Sorry, but you don't. You're strident, never-ending slobbering over that piss-poor remake has pretty much consigned genre films of the next decade to be nothing but retreads of the last 30 years. Bravo! Bon chance! I hope you truly enjoy regurgitated "sciffy," 'cuz that's what your love of the "ammmmaaaazzziingg" new Trek has forced onto the menu. Ten years after Lucas desecrated the original trilogy with his "prequel" cash-grab, we're still trapped in a cycle of origin/prequel stories. The success of JJ's "Dawson's Trek" just ensured that now we'll only get re-heated versions of the "classics" for the decade to come. I hope that was what you were going for - because what's old is now "new" all over again. Good going, you vapid ninnies. You've just fucked us all.
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Yes please.
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...without Predators, thanks.
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since the doctor said "Mrs. Hitler, it's a boy, why don't you call him Adolf."
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You're on the money. Studios will be clambering over themselves to make their own tween versions of JJ Abrams Star Wreck.
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That seems to be the thinking.. Assholes.
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Star Trek was a creative way of telling a NEW story.
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we stage a coup on 20th century fox and take Rothman's position from him. This is going to be tricky, but it can be done. All we have to do is catch him on the studio lot when he's on his way from his office filled with coked out hookers to the editing bay where he's going to hack apart Fox's next big summer movie. One of us dresses up as his driver, drives him out into the desert, and leaves him there. It's up to the driver to kill him or not. After that the studio is ours.
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Did the bad people like something you didn't and now you have a boo boo on your heart?
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You know perfectly well that "Dawson's Trek" was Volume 1 in a newly minted remake-mother-fucking-machine. There will be no "going where no man has gone before" in the inevitable sequels. There will only be retreading of what went before. A Klingon bent on revenge, probably involving time-travel, Q, a couple of cutely named whales and a glimpse of "The Borg To Come" will all be waiting for us in "Dawson's Trek II." Search your feelings, young Trekling, you know it to be true.
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NEEDS MORE GIANT PIG! But not an origin story of the GIANT PIG. That would be shit.
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"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
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While Deadpool sits back and tries to figure out how four foot swords fit in his forearms. I just loath FOX.
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You know it makes sense
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As long as, in the new "Voyage Home" we can have the aquarium guy get slapped again, I'll be happy.
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There will be no "new" Star Trek stories in the new continuity. There will be Kahn, and Mirror Mirror and probably Borg.
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If this was his decision. Good Lord, this studio...
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vs Freddy vs King Kong vs Superman vs Dracula vs Dinosoaurs vs Transformers vs Ash vs Gremlins. That moive would be fun (in a LSD soaked feverdream kinda way)
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makes much more sense
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18th century childhoods are being raped.
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May 28, 2009 10:20:55 AM CDT
Okay, at first glance, this sounds like a terrible, terrible id
by d.vader
But, for years Ridley has talked about wanting to visit the Alien's homeworld or origin... This really *could* be good if done right... But Fox's track record so far suggests otherwise.
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I think the bible needs a reboot as well. But really if this reboot or remake is simply the story of Ripley on the Nostromo or a very similar story, its just not necessary. Ridley Scott created a near perfect movie on many levels with Alien in terms of visual effects, story, tension, characters, etc. About the only wonky thing at least from a visual standpoint was the Alien getting blasted out of the Narcissus. Beyond that you can watch Alien today and believe it was made recently.
Now I think they should reboot the series following Alien and Aliens. Get back on track because Alien 3 and 4 just went in a completely different wacky direction from the series. I liked the 4th movie but it was less an Aliens movie and more some wacky French comic book. Which is what happens when you have the City of the Lost Children people involved. -
As flawed as Alien R is, it did some interesting ideas, visuals, and a good performance from Ripley and to be honest the ending where she looks upon she does not know or recognise, the fact she does not know or recognise her old self, and is learning about her new self is a good ending to the series of films, ultimately showing how her world has been changed forever by this creature and she has to start again. As someone said about, these films have been about RIPLEY as much as the creature. So all in all, the saga, with its highs, its lows is done, it has its place in cinema history, the films will always be revisited due to the strengths of the first two, gave us a truly iconic female character and does not require rebooting, redoing, rewhatever the fuck Hollywood wants to do it. Please for the love of god let it all stop, and let old Ripley rest in peace, and new Ripley find herself. Sniff!
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Over the years, including during the Hollywood Golden Age, many 'franchise' film characters were rebooted, from Tarzan, Zorro and Philip Marlowe to Dracula, Frankenstein the Wolf Man and on and on. Let's stop pretending this is new. Quality forgives all. If the new versions are good, not just mediocre or good enough, but really GOOD movies, then I'm game. Where this falls down is that Fox looooooves them some mediocrity. Wasn't Rothman quoted as saying that he doesn't care about quality?
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"Producer Dan Lin stopped to chat with About.com about some of his upcoming projects, particularly the planned reboot of the “Lara Croft” series (popularly known as an adaptation of the “Tomb Raider” series of video games. Lin describes the project as a “character-oriented… more realistic” origin story for the popular treasure seeker. He clarifies shortly after that, comparing what he intends to be “character-driven action” in the “Croft” reboot to what audiences saw in last weekend’s “Terminator Salvation.”" Fucking BULLSHIT. If you wanted it to be character driven and realistic, why didn't you do that the FIRST FUCKING TIME. I just loooooove how these producers try and shift any blame away from how they fucked up the film the first time by suggesting they're going to do something more "realistic" and "Character-oriented" with this one, all but acknowledging they didn't bother with those qualities the first time. Or they pretend the original film DIDNT have those qualities (when in reality they did). Producers of the Nightmare on Elm St remake, I'm looking at you.
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I've lost count how many versions of the Christ story have been made since Demille's silent era, black and white King Of Kings.
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you've just given them the title. Thanks.
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BOOOOOOOO!!! BOOOOOOOO!!! BOOOOOOOO!!! BOOOOOOOO!!! BOOOOOOOO!!! BOOOOOOOO!!! Why doesn't he remake The Duelists and Blade Runner while he's at it?
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PLEASE STOP WITH THE FUCKING REBOOTS! I've been wanting an alien sequel for forever! NOOOOOOOOO! WHY MUST YOU CONTINUE TO RAPE ME FOX!?!?
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There would be no point even for the Scott brothers to pitch "Alien" whatever unless the pitch focus is on what Hollyweird conceptualizes as TEEEEEEEN appeal.
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who go to the cinemas and pay to watch these fucking remakes. You can all go fuck yourselves.
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As a mark of the quality that producer is going for, he said he's trying to get Megan Fox to star.
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there is a difference between an adaptation- which all the examples you've given are- and a remake. If Alien were a novel and this was merely another interpretation of it (as in The Thing or the countless Bodysnatchers/ Puppet Masters attempts) then I'd be irritated, but would dismiss it as "won't be as good as the first attempt". However, it's another attempt at a near perfect film- one without any non-cinema source material. Therefore, what they are attempting is almost certain to fail. Seriously, for every good remake (not adaptation)you mention, I'll mention a shite one, and I bet you run out first.
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the film Rhona Mitra was born to make. Bet she isn't in it.
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how do they keep fucking this up? it's Indiana Jones with tits, for fuck's sake.
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same went for FF,wolverine, star Trek etc... ..I'd rather have the film made than not....getting an enjoyble film is priority, getting a good film is hoped for, getting a great film is damn near impossible and not really expected....in the end if i didn't feel like i got ripped off for my $5 or that I'd have gotten more enjoyment out of wathcing a rerun of CSI then I'll be happy..
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20th Century Fox has become the penultimate Studio for Shit Films and a complete lack of Vision, Creativity and Integrity.
IF anything NEEDS a REBOOT it's FOX itself.
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Soz mate, didnt think about that.
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reboot? Seriously. This stuff is really getting out of hand, I mean Hollywood loves it sequels and series of films from the beginning but this rebooting stuff is crossing the line. Didnt the last Tomb Raider game underperform in sales? Didnt the last Tomb Raider film tank? Both equal= NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.
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$5? Knew you were a teenager. Bet you liked AvP too. Congrats, you're exactly Fox's target audience of educationally failed future white trash. Thanks from all of us.
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never pay more than 5 for a film
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May 28, 2009 10:45:01 AM CDT
I love Giger's Alien, so I'm always happy to see more of it.
by a goonie
And I think that the Ripley character has been used up. I love Sigourney, but after dying AND being cloned for an entire movie, I don't think there's much else for her to do. So I'm okay with a new Alien flick if it delivers the goods in a big way. A new cast of characters floating around in space getting picked off one by one? We've seen it before, but a smart director could make something out of this once more. That said, if it's PG-13 and filled with annoying teens and questionable CGI, then that will clearly suck hard.But I love that damn race of evil Aliens, so I'm hoping that a new movie can pay tribute to the original movies and not piss all over the legacy.
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but considering the source material i wasnt expecting much...the novel was better,but then it usually is
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Unless Ridley's directing and it focuses on the poor folks who sent out that warning beacon in Alien and Tom Rothman dies horribly before pre-production starts.
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Throw in some aliens or something
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no wonder you arent happy with the finished films...
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The new Star Trek was nothing like what "Dawson's Trek" would have been like. There was no bullshit high school drama that could have been had the entire film been set in the Academy. If you're going to insult the film, insult it proper. Otherwise, it makes it sound like you never saw the film in the first place.
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post of yours is that it just reeks of having no desire for quality at all. It's people like you that mean 2 and a half men is still going. Or shite like Transformers gets made.You are the Lowest Common Denominator
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Not after Casino Royale and Batman Begins/The Dark Knight made obscene amounts of money too. Its a long-going trend that didn't just start with Trek.
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all the films that you give a pass to are unmitigated horseshit (With the exception of Iron Man). This isn't about expecting too much- it's that they are not a fun way to spend a couple of hours. With the exception of Iron Man. And before you say "blah blah blah Shakespeare" that is a pathetic argument used by the hard of thinking to excuse their abysmal taste.I can't believe the likes of Van Helsing has been mentioned in an Alien conversation.
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They keep going for empty spectacle, trying to copy Indiana Jones' sense of adventure, only they leave out all the character, which is what gets you invested in said spectacle. Otherwise, its soulless, and no one gives a shit. So its not that the producer is wrong- the film SHOULD be character driven- but its bullshit because if he was actually concerned with that, the first films would not have been so shitty. I don't buy any of the crap coming out of his wordhole on this one.
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from prolonged hyper sleep. Parts 3 and 4 erased. This would explain weavers aging. Newt and hicks are still alive. Start over. Someone mentioned her going to alien planet to eradicate them forever. Have Expendables type team to go into battle. Someone mentioned Boyle. Yes. Only if it feels like 28 days later. Get the script guys from original alien or predator and make it dark and creepy as hell. Please direct my royalties into my paypal account.
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were arguably necessary after the utter mess that their series were in. Alien was in no such mess- you can just ignore AvP as it isn't an "Alien" film.
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The first Tomb Raider WAS an attempt at character driven. Except they didn't have a clue how to do it, so tacked on that dreadful shite with her father. He's clearly lying.
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That is all.
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i dont give a shit about remakes anymore. the old Alien still holds up perfectly, and i dont need this. but at the same time i'm not all up in arms about it. they remake everything nowadays, and i dont feel the need to see every one that gets made, unlike most geeks.
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Thus, its not the same. Batman is an icon - like any folklore character - doing a new and proper take on the icon of Batman is not the same as redoing mediocre franchises like Predator or Alien.
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The prequels weren't a reboot - just new chapters in the same story.
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it sucks because its just a ripoff with tits and ass added in to replace characters. THat worked fine with video games made in the 90s.Tomb Raider is a movie adapted from a video game that was adapted from a movie. of course its gonna be shitty.
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But was it a poor attempt becuse they picked shit writers and director? Or was it a poor attempt because they just wanted to create the "illusion" of having some character depth?
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Before that, Bond was driving a fucking INVISIBLE car.
And they hired fucking MADONNA to play a role.
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RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT, LAUGH! REMEMBER WHO F#$kIN' TOLD YA THIS!Seeeeriously, a remake of ALIEN? Probably proposed by some prat that wasn't born when the thing debuted on free TV and thinks "yeh, that would be KEWL to do a remake of THAT!"Some crap just needs to be left alone. Okay, I will now brace for the torrent of "Ah you're too old and you should accept a new take on an old story" posts.
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. . . and make them better?!
I think Capricorn One would be a great candidate for a remake. It's a really neat idea that wasn't executed very well the first time around, particularly with the ending and the OJ factor (though Sam Waterson as a smart-ass was kinda cool).
The 50s, 60s and 70's were chock-full of sci-fi movies where they took a really neat premise and turned it into a really awful movie. Remake some of those!!!
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And, really, what's the difference between a reboot and remake? It's like the discovery of a new word allowed them to do it all over again. It wasn't like every remake was shot for shot before someone "discovered the reboot".
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NO!!!! Fucking Hollywood. Why the hell do they feel the need to constantly ass rape our childhoods? There is no way this turns out better than the original.
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As studios go 3D, they'll remake anything and everything.
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Rob Zombie to direct! He'll be fresh off the soon to be monumental triumph of H2. Sheri Moon as Ripley, of course. Maybe . . . wow, maybe I'm going too far with this one, it's a little edgy and different, I know, but . . . how about replacing the alien with a human being? Think about it, what's more monstrous, a monster, or a man, preferably an inbred, mutated man from the deep south, acting the monster? Festus, from the WWE, would be my vote. To be the alien. In Rob Zombie's reboot of Alien. From Fox.
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Just fucking re-release the movie back into the theaters and tell all the dumb people who are not aware of movies before 1997 that it is this "new" flick starring this up-and-coming actress with a great ass by the name of Sigourney Weaver.
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its not like the ALien franchise has not been skullfucked to death by now. as far as i'm concerned, there were two Alien movies. the other swhit movies and this remake does nothing to lessen Alien and Aliens. and i seriously doubt the money being sunk into this shit would be put to good use on another movie. these are products, not films.
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At what point did the world run out of original ideas? At least in the old days they would just churn out sequels. Now that is even too hard. Just reboot everything. (fuck Fox)
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Seriously. Put a bullet in his brain.
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Scott should make a prequel about the SPACE JOCKEY. and no stupid teenagers in it. all new adult cast.
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Nothing needs 'rebooting' - there was never any origin story for Alien. The 'mythology' is about Ripley. And there is absolutely no need to revisit Ripley - I liked Resurrection okay and thought it gave an interesting direction for the series to go in (and Sigourney Weaver was characteristically amazing; her performance is the saving grace of the film). I don't mind the studio walking away from that and developing another Alien film. But leave Ripley alone, tell us a new story about Alien(s). As movie monsters they are iconic enough in themselves that there doesn't need to be any other 'character' anchor to previous iterations in the franchise.The 'universe' of Alien is also compelling - the Company, Androids, terraforming, deep space exploration by blue collar folk - and both it and the Aliens still have vast amounts of narrative and metaphorical potential completely outside the confines of a Ripley story.Of course if Sigourney Weaver is involved I am in. But otherwise, just go off on all that was unexplored - which was quite a lot.
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May 28, 2009 11:26:10 AM CDT
In space, no-one can hear you scream "stop fucking remaking thin
by photoboy
Ridley's remake of The Andromeda Strain turned out so well I'm sure we're all really, really super excited about this!
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Met my brother, who was still in college, at the theater, and he brought all his friends, many of which had never seen it before. It was a great experience.
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this will be any good. It's been 23 years since there has been a good Alien film. And with Rothman still head of that studio do you really think he'll allow this to be anything like Alien? Think if Scott made that movie for Rothman today. It would've been cut down to 90 minutes and about half as scary as it is. Fuck Rothman. Fuck Fox.
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I'll kill everyone.
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Come on Fox! Give us what we want!
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He may have made Blade Runner and Alien, but more recently he made "A very good year", one of the worst films of the decade.
And who could forget "White Squall" with Beau(?) Bridges? -
Can we please just kill the expression "raped my childhood" or any joke referencing rape when they do a remake? It is just tasteless as hell, and not funny at all.
Not that I think any subject matter should be off limit for a joke, even rape ("Where's Poppa" had a great joke on the subject), I think comparing remakes to rape is just way off. You might hate a remake of Alien, but it isn't going to traumatize you for life. And if it does, maybe you are living too sheltered of life. -
Look, I understand the business reasoning behind revamping an established brand. It comes with built-in product awareness and saves on your advertising budget. Plus, people feel obligated to go check the thing out, even if they have (in some cases severe) reservations, so the B.O. generally ends up pretty good, even for (for God's sake) Wolverine, which everyone knew was crap a month before it came out. And the thing still killed Trek, one of the best reviewed movies of the year so far (which itself was a reboot or an established brand with a built-in critic-proof fanbase) I understand all that. BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE, CAN I GET SOME NEW MONSTERS PLEASE?! What did it take to finally kill off the Universal monsters from the 30s and 40s? Oh sure, one them crops up every five or ten years or so, but the next great spate of original monster movies I would assert began with Alien and then continued through Freddy and Jason, and Predator. Sadly, based on history, since it took roughly 40 years to get from Dracula and The Wolfman to Alien and Predator, I can only conclude that it's going to be another 20 years or so until we see the next spate of original, iconic monsters. But I'm throwing the gauntlet down Hollywood! Let's see those suckers in the next 5. Barring that, let's forego the slow decay of beloved icons in trash like AvP:R:QST and sometimes Y. Let's go whole hog! I want to see Abbott and Costello Meet Aliens and Predator by 2012!
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But the studios would probably prefer someone cheaper who knows fuck all about making Sci Fi Horror.
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Seriously, that bloke needs a shot at an Alien film.
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Until I see BUCKAROO BANZAI AGAINST THE WORLD CRIME LEAGUE.
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The only way to be sure
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Right, because FOX has no history of fucking over talented up-and-coming directors and turning potentially great flicks to shit. Yeah, a real beacon of hope, that is.
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With some talent in front and behind the camera.
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Why not?
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...that Ridley Scott will not allow this movie to suck. Ridley...are you listening? Please DO NOT fuck this up.
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FUCK YEAH
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Have a mexican coke and shut the fuck up. nothing here is tasteful. that's why its so damn funny.
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We need Buckaroo Banzai Against The World Crime League!
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...directed by Stephen Sommers. I hate all the bean counters and decision makers at Fox. It's like a rudderless ship for fuck's sake. These assholes get paid MILLIONS of dollars, and all they can keep coming up with is "reboots" of classic films that were already made right the first time around?!? Go fuck yourselves.
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Sorry for daring people to be a little more original that comparing a bad remake to rape. Thought we were men here.
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This has got to be a joke. This is not even fucking funny. Here's funny: Yo mama's so old that her pussy is haunted.
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Your statement just strengthens my argument. I politely ask people to refrain from making the comparison, and of course the dipshits have to jump in because, you know, if you can't compare a bad remake to the act of rape, of jeez, talk about an injustice. Tough guys.
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At least HarryBlackPotter can be original AND clever.
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Actually, this is probably gonna happen.
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May 28, 2009 12:57:28 PM CDT
In Tom Rothman's dungeon no one can hear you scream...
by moviemaniac-7
AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH! Reading this makes me act like Bill Paxton when he realizes that this shit is serious: "You can count me out."
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Fuck you if you don't.
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Stallone says he wants to take Rambo out of his element and put him in a new genre.
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FUCK i am sick of this, ALIEN "CLASSIC" landmark, end of, ALIENS "CLASSIC+" awesome, ALIEN 3 "alright-ish" (the expanded dvd version in the quadrilogy box set), ALIEN 4 "WORSE THAN CHILD MOLESTATION". The first 2 were classics because talented people were allowed to work on these efforts without a fucking studio worrying about what FUCKING teenagers might like. FOX, STOP TEARING THE SHIT BOX OUT OF THINGS I USED TO LIKE, FUCKING STOP IT. IF YOU HAVE TO DO THIS "REBOOT" (EQUALLY SICK OF THAT WORD) LOOK AT THE ORIGINALS AND THINK !
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May 28, 2009 1:19:31 PM CDT
FUCK OFF FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by darkplanet
You don't fucking reboot "Alien"! That's like rebooting the Godfather. This reboot hell is going to seriously backfire on Fox. I for one am fucking tired of the lack of originality. FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!
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fuck this.
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May 28, 2009 1:33:52 PM CDT
For those who get mad at those getting mad about remakes...
by cellar door
For those who get mad at those getting mad about remakes...Perhaps you just don't 'love' movies like most of us? This is not a bad thing either way mind you but perhaps it explains both your ambivalence and the, in your view, undue concerns of others?I think of this example: once, a million years ago, as a wee rat, I worked nights stocking groceries with a crew of about 10 to 12 people g-or-t. A friend would bring in his boombox and we'd play tapes/cds over the PA all night. One day he forgot his boombox and we had an argument about listening to nothing versus listening to the pumped in elevator 'muzak' the store normally played thru the PA. As I watched people arguing over listening to the most dreadful shite ever(come on, it's fucking ELEVATOR music for chrisschex!) as opposed to nothing it struck me. How can this be? All of them freely admitted to hating muzak yet they wanted to listen to it?! As in silence is actually worse than music you hate? I simply do not understand that desperation; that need to occupy absence with something even if that something is the least desirable thing to fill that absence. A pessimistic "better than nothing" approach does not lend itself to the mindset of a music lover to me. Just someone who prefers noise to silence..quantity to quality, etc.It occurred to me right on the spot that these people were not music lovers, but music listeners. Sure, they probably consider themselves music lovers but how can you call yourself a lover of music, a connoisseur if you will, who will gladly listen to "music" you hate as opposed to silence? Again, these people admitted to hating 'muzak' but yet they were perfectly happy to listen to it as opposed to nothing. wtf?!You guys pushing this idea that complaining about remakes marks you as a asshole might stop to consider what you're actually denigrating is a true love for cinema. Not just a hobby or a pastime (as in just to pass the time) but love. Sometimes, like romantic love, it's overbearing and obsessive...sometimes it's cold and bereft of humanity but it's love none the less. Not love of quality for quality's sake...but love of cinema for love's sake!I'd argue that all of you guys who slam people for reasonably knocking remakes or pg-13 films in R franchises, or even the neo-action-porn like Michael Bay's stuff, are simply movie watchers and not movie lovers.Now, before I go off on the jackass personal, let me say that on it's own, this is perfectly fine. I like to read. Some people don't. It doesn't mean I'm smart and they're not. Easy to assume arrogance either way but the truth really comes down to opinion. But when you attack other opinions and act as if your opinion either is, or should be, common knowledge, then you show yourself to be an jackass. Especially if you give no reasons other than the implied 'it is because I said it' bullshit.Now for my take (re: jackassery included); perhaps you are fine with least common denominator production values and story content. Perhaps you don't mind a non-existent story as long as a beautiful girl's boobs are all over the screen. Perhaps you don't mind a lack of discernible plot if the actions scenes make your jaw drop. Perhaps you can enjoy cinema with no involvement but the visceral. That's fine but don't ruin it for the rest of us by implying your opinion is the only reasonable one to have.I'd argue that we should be clamoring for films that have plot AND action that makes us drop our jaws in wonder. The fact that a lot of you actually attack people for actually wanting that and then have the nerve to say none of it matters...well, you don't love cinema and do not belong on this 'geek' movie website. No one invited you to come and knock what we all love...this is not the place for you, you will find no happiness here and your petulant rage at the opinions of others is unneeded by everyone except you. State your case..back it up...or blow ass out of here champ. Just saying, without reason, that anybody who complains is a jackass is 'bag of hair' dumb. Yes, I impugned all of you but I gave reasons as to why I did so...what are your reasons? Other than just wanting to look cool in your own mind for being pointlessly righteous?All jackassery aside...just answer me this: Why do you clamor for mediocrity and then attack those that don't?
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ROFLMAO... ho-ly shit... that was DEAD ON. I love how they pulled a bait and switch on this one too... since it was first reported a month or so ago, I could have sworn all the stories had 'Rid' (as I love to Ivor Powell call him on the Alien/BR DVD extras) coming back to direct and Rothman salivating at such a prospect. Now it's Ridley and Tony Scott as overseers? I must say, that director's commercials looked pretty amazing. But I also think even if Ridley DID direct, he'd take it in a direction of 'commerce' as he likes to say in interviews. There's a lot of great interviews with him on youtube, I urge you to check them out. But 'commerce' to him likely means kow-towing to whatever the latest trends are which likely means Alien-formers with Megan Fox, and a bunch of other ninny teens running around a spaceship that looks like something from a music video. I'm just not sure he'd care about ruining it, the same way Spielberg went into Indy IV with the wrong mindset. There was an interview with Spielberg where he was whining that the reason they didn't make another one for so long is that all the other movies that came after Last Crusade had done pretty much every action set piece you could think of. Yeah, with bad CG and crazy MTV cutting... why do you think Raiders is considered a classic, Stevie? Is it because, I don't know, the fucking truck chase is REAL and you can actually FOLLOW it? Didn't TDK prove that a well-staged, realistic action sequence can still be infinitely more exciting than the shit you get in movies like Wolverine (the ending, especially)? You know what they should do... get Christopher Nolan to direct. I'd love to see his take on the Alien mythos. I'm sure he gets enough of that franchise pressure on Batman, so that's not likely. Anyway, I can hear the concept meetings for this now... "How about we... ok, I got it, I got it... this'll play to the teens... we get Megan Fox, we have her battle the aliens and all that typical shit to play to the teen boys, but to get the GIRLS, we'll have her fall in love with one of the aliens at the end and carry on this strange relationship with it ala Twilight! Yeah, that's the fucking ticket!!! Back up the Brinks trucks, we're gonna be rolling in it! The truly sad thing here is that we're talking about yet another reboot or remake or sequel. Where the hell is the originality? Was every single possible idea for a superhero/fantasy/action movie exhausted in the period between, say, The Exorcist and Lord of the Rings? I'd say that pretty much bookends the period through which studios seem to think every conceivable original idea for a movie 'franchise' was created... I don't doubt that we'll soon see reboots of The Godfather (with Shia as Michael and... I don't fucking know, Keanu Reeves as the Don) and Jaws with a CG shark that grows legs and walks on water. And I'm sure that at some point, Lucas will need another few billion to fund all the shit he's building around San Francisco, so he'll 'open' up Star Wars to other writers and directors. That, however, is not necessarily a bad thing.
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That already happened a few weeks ago...anywho, this sucks. A new Ripley? I guess that's what we should have expected from 20th Century Fucks.
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anyone? anyone?
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Predator is a fun action movie. Granted an above average one. But you CAN remake that. Alien is fucking classic and there's no way that you'd improve it, so this is just incredibly redundant. Maybe if you went with their original plan of having Weaver running away from the Alien naked the entire time, but that's the only thing.
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A prequel of where derelict ship came from and the story that goes with it. WTF???!!!
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May 28, 2009 1:43:09 PM CDT
Actually, wouldn't mind AS MUCH if it's a prequel
by fa_tass_dinomolester
I'd much prefer an Alien 5, (as much as I detested where the franchise went after the first two), but I could see a prequel working. Set it on an ocean/ice planet, and show us: a new , totally different strain of alien, living space jockeys, and have Ian Holm play an early model of the Ash robot. In fact, I'd like them to delve into the xeno's history, (like, the aliens were created to be bio-weapons by the jockeys, who needed them to fend off their initial attempt at a weapon, early humans, who were too violent and pathological to be controlled. Like, the Jockeys started screwing around with the chromosomes of early hominids, or something)...
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The 1976 version of King Kong!!
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Scorsese's Cape Fear works very well, and I actually think more people are aware of it than the original. There are a few others, which I'll try and think of...12 Angry Men is another. I guess Tenenbaums is KIND of a remake of the Magnificent Ambersons...
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recasting iconic characters to see what other cool, hip MTV actors can play them. Thanks JJ..you turd
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DeMille's 1956 The Ten Commandments? Beats the hell out of me.
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2 words: Batman Begins
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...and Fuck you Fox.
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Hire Legacy Effects for this, Fox, you fucks! And for the new Predator, too. ADI are nice guys, but that don't cut it when they fuck up and bullshit around. Or whatever the hell it was.
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got everyone reboot mad. They screwed up Fantastic Four, let's try again. Superman, let's try again. Star Trek...Now I'm like, stop saying that word. Reboot. Shut up. This sounds more like a prequel. I also fear that it will have too many humans not enough aliens/space jockeys.
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Although I prefer the original, 1930s version.
And then there is The Thing, The Fly, The Maltese Falcon (made twice before the classic 1941 version), Casino Royale (I am a fan of the reboot, hates QOS though), the remake of Ocean's 11, etc. -
Then everyone can shut up about Alien3, and we'll see if this guy can make a good Alien film. This is one of the few solutions I would support.
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with tha quips.
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I think Vanilla Sky works VERY well, and I suppose this is cheating, but Haneke's 2008 Funny Games works just as well as the original, and Roth and Watts do great performances.
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I have to take exception of your lowly opinion of Legend. However, it's important to know WHICH version of the movie you saw. The american domestic version is an horrible dumbed down piece of shit of a movie.The directyor«'s cut (which is just an extented version of the european version) is a delightful, witty, enchanting, whimsical fantasy movie with one of the best scores composed by Jerry goldsmith. Goldsmith's score alone elevates the material enourmously. also, it's one of the most beautiful looking movie ever made in the whole history of world cinema. And it has a faily simple but enchanting story. You might have probvlem going past the image of Tom Cruise running around in a studio built forest, and i can sympathise with that feeling, but really, if you can abstract yourself from that, it's just one of the most delightful fantasy movie made.
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And yes, 1492: Conquest Of Paradise is terribly underrated.
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1 slow spaceship intro; at least 5 disparate personalities to bounce around; 1 of them an android; at least 1 tough young female; 2 chestburster shots; 5-10 aliens max; 1 crazy ass alien; 1 crazy ass crew member; 3-5 shots of alien bearing teeth and drooling effusively; 1 shot of an alien mouth-stabbing a dude; corporate motives; MILITARY FETISHISM; and last but not least, CONSISTENT use of ACIDIC BLOOD for crying out FUCKING loud!
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So, it's wrong to turn Alien into a TEEEEEENS movie, hem? But it's OK to turn Star Trek into a TEEEEEENS movie. I guess turning already established franchises into TEEEEEENS movies is only bad unless it's from Jay Jay Abrams. Because if it's from Jay Jay, the latest talentless mega-hack whose dick is so fashionable to get enthusiastically sucked by the AICN crowd, then all is right and well. This fucking hypocrisy sicks me to the core of my being.And yes, turning Alien into a TEEEEEENS is retarded, dumb and stupid. As was turning Star Trek into a TEEEEEENS movie.
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seriously.
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Basically that would be a shot-by-shot remake of Alien. And what would be the point of that?It's unexcapable, man: a remake of Alien is justy a bad idea, regardless of from where you look it from.
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A reboot is like pretending the Eric Bana Hulk didn't exist and starting again. The new Star Trek actually takes into account the previous Star Treks and (fairly masterfully) works a plot where we get an alternate timeline.
Those of you that keep calling it "MTV" or "Dawson's Trek" - I'm wondering if you actually saw it or if you are just blindly reacting to the fact that there are young, attractive people in the movie. Maybe they should have cast morbidly obese couch-sitting geeks instead. -
May 28, 2009 2:08:49 PM CDT
WTF! I thought I was reading a headline from the Onion...
by kravmaguffin
I heard that the reboot will be with old Ripley time traveling to visit young Ripley (played by Megan Fox) and thus creating an alternate timeline...true story.
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...it's for the teenage crowd with disposable dollars that didn't grow up with the original films and really doesn't care if you remake ALIEN or not. It WILL be a PG-13 teen-fest with CGI, lots of rapid editing, and an incoherent or irrelevant plot. The ONLY thing that matters is that it brings in big bucks on its opening weekend. FAR more time and attention will be paid to making a compelling trailer than in making a good film. That's the way of the world. Those of you who bemoan the dearth of solid movie-making on a big scale, well that's why we have our beloved and cherished DVD libraries at home. The music business has gone to shit, so we listen to our old records from decades past. Same with the movie business -- no one in H'wood gives a shit if it's any good. It just has to have a strong opening weekend.
"But it is such a shame that...." Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. It is. But welcome to the new world. You don't have to like it, but you do have to live with it. There are still plenty of great movies being made (mostly small, under-the-radar films). But the age of the large-scale, high-profile masterpiece is over. -
Reboot = pretending the previous didn't exist and starting again (Incredible Hulk). Remake = redoing the same story line in another movie (Cape Fear, Psycho)
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I wrote "but you do have to live with it". I meant to say "but you do have to live IN [emphasis added] it".
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It turned out he understood storytelling, character development, could direct actors to get the right performance and had an intelligent sense of humor. Maybe this guy has a sense of humor, but if these ads are a clue to his vision of Alien, then it'll probably just go to cement the original as a true unrepeatable classic. Maybe they good bribe Geiger to get involved to re-invest the monster, rather than just copying his again, like another crappy Cola logo version of the original.
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Chekov. That was it.
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...because surely someone who actually thinks that STAR TREK was turned into a "TEEEEEENS" movie would find Zombie's deconstruction of the Xenomorph's upbringing to be a cinematic masterstroke, eh AssimovLives?
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You drank the Jay Jay's kool-aid wholesome and you totally believed what the mutant haired mega-hack throw at you unquestionably, hem? No, his Star Trek parody is a reboot alrgith, only that fucking talentless hack doesn't have the cojones to admit as such, and he goes for the escape route solution of "it's a reboot but not really, really, all is stillw ell with the old Trek stuff". That's bullshit. and worst, this means the guy is a fucking spineless fuck who doesn't even have the strengh of his own convictions. That's, ladies and gentleman, the very definition of a fucking hack. did christopher Nolan invented some "this is a paralel Batman stuff, all of Burton's and Schummaker's movies are still safe and their universe is still intact" crap to self-justify his work on his Batman movies? Did he made any appologises for his reboots? No he did. He went back to the drawing board, he went back to formula and redid the franchise. And he assumed it front and center. Mega-hack mediocre piece of shit Jay Jay Merda Abrams goesn't have 1/10,000th of the balls and integrity that Nolan has in his little pinky finger.Jay Jay made a stupid, bad, retard, dumbed down, mediocre, clueless TEEEENS Star Trek reboot, and that's what it is. That the miserable fuck doesn't even have the courage to admit as such is proof of what a fucking nulity he truly is. Jay Jay Merda Abrams.
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Maybe in this candy coated CG-PG 13 world we'll have a friendly Alien character who helps out our lost teensters to find there way off this planet. And they'll call him Mr. Tinkywinks.
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With the exception of Spock's dad and Captain Pike, EVERYBODY. Everybody acted like anoying stupud dumb fucking teens i would never in my life wish to meet a muile away. This was not jsut teen Trek, it was shallow dumb stupid ego-centric fucks Trek. Even Spock acted like a spoiled brad teen shithead who has enough mommy issues to give Norman Bates pause. It was Fecility in space, only even dumber.
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we see what happened to the colony on LV426. no need for a reboot. story fits snugly between "Ripley floats in space" and "Ripley travels to LV426 again"
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He does.
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Just remake Titanic with Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens already. There is a huge market of 12-year-old girls out there who haven't seen the original.
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This excuse of making remake of classic movies for "today's audience" is just dumb pseudo-logic bullshit argument. When i was a teen, i saw tonnes of older adventure and SF movies made many decades before i was even born. Comtemporanean movies didn't need to kiss my ass by turning old movies into new so i could enjoy them. Th eoldies goldies still worked just fine, and many of them even in black and white. And not just for me, but for everybody i knew back in the day.So, i don't buy any of this "it's for the teens of today" bullshit. It's just lazy asses at the studios who are compeltly artistically and imagination bankrupted coming up with excuses to produce stuff that has been "tested" before, whatever that means.I don't always agree with you geeks at AICN, but you guys are absolutly right about oen thing: the 20th Century Fox leadership is dumb and corrupt, a total disgrace for modern american cinema. You guys are compeltly right about them. Give them hell, friends.
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...and Fuck you Fox.
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... same shit!
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I don't think we will ever get another Ridley Scott, not from the newer batch of filmmakers, anyway. Same way there never was another Stanley Kubrick. Let us admit it, for good or ill, there is only one ridley Scott, and there will always be one. After he's dead, there will be no more. When god made Ridley Scott, he broke the mould afterwards. That's how it is.
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But we saw what happened to the colony on LV426...it is in the Director's Cut...enough of it anyway...what's left wouldn't be enough for a movie
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It would do so, so well. Queen Latifah as the voice of the iceberg.
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I haven't seen the new Trek, but let me ask you this: does anyone act all angst ridden and feel as if they are meant for great things but don't know what it is yet? Because that is one of the first signs you are making a movie for teenagers. If they mention destiny you might have a teenager movie (teenagers love the thought they are destined for greatness -be it pro athlete, rock star or movie star - but don't like the idea they actually have to work for it and suffer to get there).
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even the cartoonish and stupid Resurrection. So yeah, the criticism of a TEEN'd Alien while not attacking Star Trek for the same perceived crime is perfectly valid.
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May 28, 2009 2:37:03 PM CDT
Asimov, once again you can't compare Batman and Star Trek
by keeper of chimps
The Tim Burton shitfest Batman movies are not the end all be all Batman storyline. Nolan didn't have to justify himself- he just finally made a good movie out of the best comic superhero. He didn't have to pay any props to purple Tommy Lee Jones 2 face. THAT wasn't Batman. What he DID have to do was respect the plot of the REAL Batman - which was the comic. Star Trek on the other hand, only exists as the Gene Rodenberry/Shatner/Nemoy thing - thus, its a different deal having to keep that universe in tact. You fat fucking fanboys wouldn't have been satisfied either way.
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Can I whisper it again so that some Fox Executive might hear and steal the idea...
Set it on the Alien home world.
Let's see the flora and fauna of that place.
Let's see gigantic aliens and crazy giger inspired nightmares we've never even imagined.
Let's see a tale of derring do and adventure as a spaceship of scientists gets sucked through a wormhole and jettisoned onto this planet.
Mystery, exploration, action, survival, and escape - all the atributes the original ALIEN had but served up in a genuinely new way.
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When did Sulu act like a teen? When did Uhura act like a teen? Or Scotty for that matter? My friend, you are just projecting for the most part.
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Thank God, Fox doesn't own the rights to Star Wars or they might be compelled to touch those...Oh, wait.
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...and Fuck you Fox.
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I think you need to start fantasizing about something else. Ain't gonna happen.
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Beating out Star Wars and the like. This is fucking disappointing news.
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Ripley's Pubis Mound would be very upset at this news
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Zachary Quinto was on some talk show and called Trek a "reboot". I didn't watch this movie, but that's what he said, which surprised me.
The Incredible Hulk does take into account the Ang Lee Hulk in some ways- the South American jungle, the characters.
There's a bit of a mixture in some cases with the term "reboot". Some start completely fresh. Some don't. That's why I'm sick of the word. It's like the latest catchphrase for anything. A pure, complete reboot can be a good thing. But that is only usually the case when the last series was crap and/or had degenerated into some freaky, convoluted thing- like Batman and Robin. Or was wrongly conceived in the first place e.g. Fantastic Four. -
Sadly, I called this over in the FLIGHT OF THE NAVIGATOR talkback ... I was just hoping we'd have six months to a year before it finally came down the pike. Jesus H. Christ. JAWS is next, then, THE EXORCIST. Desperation knows no bounds. Oh, and keep your eyes peeled for Lucas to announce remakes of STAR WARS IV-VI. I think the only thing we can hope for, at this point, is for Hollywood to implode like it did back in Seventies and take much of the studio system with it.
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Ah, the '90s...
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i'm not happy about the scotts being on board for this one - i'd rather they washed their hands of it like cameron with terminator - have some respect for your own films ridley!! on the other hand, cameron had nothing to do with t4 and concensus says its a big bowl of ass - so maybe he shoulda stuck around?
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How many times do i go to this site and read about a reboot. Why don't they just call it stuffing up a once great film's reputation.
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Remember when the Fox logo fanfare meant great things to come? God, how I miss those days. I pray that Cameron can restore some luster to that opening come December.
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...and Fuck you Fox.
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fox has become incapable of handling these franchises. there should be some sort of intervention.
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An Giger-inspired/designed nightmarish alien homeworld could be good.
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Or one of the other fat fanboy targets? Indiana Jones capuchin monkeys?
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will be no more than take the money and run. I bet it's no more than a token producer credit.Coming soon - Blade Runner remake! Starring Shia La Boeuf as Deckard, and Keanu Reeves as Roy Batty!
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My first exposure to LEGEND was the US cut with the Tangerine Dream score. I used to love that version, even snagged the soundtrack. In the mid-Nineties, they released Goldsmith's score on CD and I picked it up. For a Goldsmith score, it was very unremarkable, and compared to the "edgier" Tangerine Dream score and the Brian Ferry ending song, it left such a small impression on me that I actually gave it away. THEN, of course, I actually saw the director's cut of LEGEND with the Goldsmith score on it. I have not watched the US version since.
Scott used to be an incredible director, and he still occasionally fires off a great movie (KINGDOM OF HEAVEN), but even if he were directing this, I doubt anyone's gonna like the result. People use John Carpenter's THE THING or Cronenberg's THE FLY as examples of remakes that outdid the originals in every way, but everyone seems to forget that we're talking about Carpenter and Cronenberg, two geniuses that were at the height of their powers when they made them, and not some commercial/video director who's desperate enough to helm a feature that they do whatever the studio tells them to do, remaking movies that, even with today's spiffy CGI and makeup effects, are going to be a dismal shadow of the original. -
I'm not making this up. It's a camera that goes into toilets for plumbers. But with Ridley producing it gives me a modicum of hope. On the other hand, it's Fox, so this is guaranteed to be fucking garbage. Dear Fox, lately I've talked about how I couldn't give two shits for Watchmen and Terminator Salvation, two properties I love and worship. I have refused to see any Alien or Predator film since Alien Abortion. I will not be seeing a remake of a seminal classic that you've already degraded and humilated.
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I used to think sequels sucked, but now I welcome them!
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The new ending worked fine. Outside of that, it was the same as the book. I don't get you fuckers!
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do you know why Cuaron and Del Toro and Cameron etc are the directors they are? Cause they weren't fucking directors forced to be humilated and to learn to kiss ass to suckups and fuckups at agencies and clients in the ad world. I'm telling you Michael Bay is a representative of the best the ad world can produce and I mean that as a compliment - he truly absolutely gets what ad people are looking for in a director. Those skills run totally contrary to what a good film is supposed to be. Ridley turned out to be allright because he rose up with the modern world of advertising and wasn't enslaved by the Chiat Day / Ogilvy Mather / Wieden Kennedy fiefdom of hackery and he has a background as a fucking painter. Everyone since has been a rich little shit who had the family money to make a reel that showed they could corral the stupidest most attention grabbing ideas in 30 seconds with an expensive crew. Fuck them all. I'm telling you, there is NOTHING more soul leaching, more vile, more prostitutional than directing ads for money. I've seen oscar winning geniuses have to take orders from fucking eurotrash douchenozzle morons. We're talking failed writers and musicians and artists who went into advertising cause they were good at maniuplating people. Fuck until I wrote this down I had no idea how much I hated that ad world.
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He made the Aphex Twins promos, including the bloody scary 'Come to daddy'. He worked closely with Kubrick on AI. He keeps threatening to make a feature (he almost made William Gibson's 'Nuronmancer' with Ridley Scott some years back).
Check out his stuff:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?client=safari&rls=en&q=chris+cunningham&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=ovEeSr7iEtvLjAfb4aWRDQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#
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May 28, 2009 3:19:55 PM CDT
Name me one great director who came from ads in the past 10 year
by drturing
the cuture of advertising just doesn't support it
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May 28, 2009 3:20:00 PM CDT
Name me one great director who came from ads in the past 10 year
by drturing
the culture of advertising just doesn't support it
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Unfortunately, the B.O. and all the gushing about that horrid TREK reboot is squarely to blame for this shit. You wanna defend the TREK reboot, fine, just remember how great you thought it was when you start complaining about THE MATRIX remake next year.
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Or is it an educated guess - probably right, mores the pity.
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Cunningham had a very promising start (it doesn't get any more promising than working with Gibson on a NEUROMANCER movie), but I'm under the impression he has a very nasty drug habit, which is likely why he hasn't been tapped for THE BURNING remake.
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To a degree at least. One of the reasons studios tap commercial & music video directors nowadays is because they know how to make interesting visuals AND they know how to take orders from clients (in this case, studio bosses).
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I've worked on numerous commercials and watched first hand how the director always has to defer to the agency and the client, after every decision. Often, I've seen good shoots get stretched out because, even after we've gotten the shot, the agency and clients call the director over and have him do it again this way or that way. It got to the point that during my first year on set, I started to wonder why they even bother to hire a director at all when they keep undercutting all the work he does by having him change it. It makes no sense and was pretty depressing at the time. But yeah, let's take a look at commercial directors. Turing already singled out Bay, but he started in music videos too. Who directed Mystery Men? A commercial director. Bleh. That's the only bad example I can think of right now. Can't think of a good example either though. But he's right, ad directors learn how to kiss ass and make the producers happy. But storytelling? Its mixed.
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The angst stuff does happens, and not just one one character, but THREE: Kirk, Uhura and Spock. Take from that what you will.
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You're right, i can't compare nolan's Batman to Jay Jay Merda Abrams's Star Crap. The former are brillant movie,s the later is one of the most retarded piece of bullshit i ever had the displeasure to watch. So, yeah, i agree, they can't be compared.
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May 28, 2009 3:39:11 PM CDT
cracking on teens twittering and have a link tio your own twitte
by geomancer21
ummm....
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Alien 1 and 2 were amazing! With that in mind, I fear reboots. However, Alien 3 was shit and 4 was marginally better than 3 but they both still sucked. Both AVP's made the Alien franchise identity get even more shakey. The only way to save it may in fact be to start over as proposed. Perhaps this could be a new movie series that chronicals the untold/unknown series of encounters by a different cast of characters set on the homeworld? Again, this is a totally mixed bag full of possible promise or disappointment depending on how they go forward.
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When Uhura didn't act like a teen=??? Are you kidding me??? did you even watched the movie? How about her hissiy fit because she was not chosen to Enterprise and had to pull strings with her boyfriend Spock? how about her shallow ass tauting of Kirk with not revealing her name? how, her naem, such important godly shit she couldn't reveal? That's teenager tauting bullshit!Sulu? How about not revealing he had limited fight abilities and all he really knew was sword-fighting? Sicne when it's that the behavior of a sprofessional soldier to withhold information about yourself, specially if that might compromise the mission? That's adult? No, that's fucking ass teenager bullshit crap!Scotty? "I like this ship, it's exciting!!" 'Nuff said!
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Chris Cunningham really looked like an name to watch. His videos were always interesting and imaginative. Sometimes even downright scary... in a good way. but the man seems to be in a creative limbo. He had a tonne of projects linked to him, and nothing ever come of them.I guess he's kinda like Floria Sigismondi, another brillant visualist who made brillant music videos and who was linked to movie projects who seem to linger for years and never get made.
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No, there isn't one single reason to dislike Zackmen, i mean, Watchmen. No, there is not one single reason, there's LEGIONS!
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We've delved into Star Trek territory, I gotta say: I've seen it twice now (paid once) and it's really not that bad. And I'm a guy who thought ST began and ended with Shatner. Since the timeline was altered from the moment of Kirk's birth (basically), I can accept any changes in the timeline. That's plenty of time for any number of things, small or large, to change. And, coming from the morons who wrote TF, the story was surprisingly not retarded. Sure, there was so much unexplained backstory that it filled a comic book mini-series, and JJ loves ESB too much, and there seemed to be a need to have someone in jeopardy every ten seconds, but overall I was impressed. The cast was excellent, with the exception of Winona, who just weirded me out. The cinematography was gorgeous, editing was fine, effects were great. I guess I'm 'drinking the kool-aid' on this one. T4 was fucking stupid tho.
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the environment of shooting commercials leads to someone who gets used to a lot of perks and a lot of money in exchange for a pretty cool job where they have to take orders from a bunch of people who know NOTHING about making a film and who insanely believe in bullshit like "lovemarks" or actually do market research on cults in order to understand how to deceive us better. I saw an actual ad agency brief on an energy drink once it was so fucking funny "the demographic for this ad are young urban professionals aged 26 - 32. They believe themselves to be quite stylish but are rather tasteless and have inordinate disposable income but can only try to get into the elite nightclubs." it was bascially a brutal psychological profile of an inferior subspecies of human and how to prey on their insecurities to make them drink some bullshit. the people who bring THAT to life are the gatekeepers to your beloved franchises. Now compare that to James Cameron building models for Roger Corman having Ahnuld crash cars for real in the middle of the night for Terminator. Which of the two do you think is going to become a visionary?
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You ever hear the story of how Corman recognized that Cameron had talent?
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I saw someone who was number 1 in her class stating her viewpoint that she should be on the number 1 ship. She had a point and she made it in a very mature way, not a foot-stomping, hands-in-the-air spoiled teenage sort of way. And fencing may not be combat training, but its better than no combat training at all- and I didn't see anyone else raising their hands when asked.
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If you are a professional soldier, which Uhura is suposed to be, she OBEYS HER COMMAND. If she was not put on Enterprise, is because she skills is need elsewhere. so, basically, she acted like a prima-donna bitch who got upset and bitched because she was not driven to her favority party. that's fucking bullshit. That's not adult behavior. That's fucking teenager crap. That's immature and unprofessional. There's nothing soldery about that at all. Uhura is not a secretary who can get to chose which boss she likes to work best, she's a soldier, she obeys her command, and that's it. That's what soldiers do. What she did is not soldiering at all. It's teenager hissy fit bullshit. Small wonder, this fucking hacks who wrote and directed this bullshit peice of shit of a movie, they cna't even beging to understand how the military institution works. That's why the Federation in tghis piece of shit of a fucking movie looks like high school instead of the military. Becasue the hack retards who made this shit movie don't understand anything other then the mentality of teens, and shallow ass stupid retard teens to booth.Yo nkow, in a sense, you are right, there's no teens in Jay Jay Merda Abrams' Star Crap. No, they are not teens, they are RETARDED SHALLOW EGOMANIAC EGOTISTICAL DUMB TEENS.
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Calm down.
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Hard to do concerning the subject of Jay Jay Merda Abrams and his systematic destruction of modern american cinema and helping ASS: THE MOVIE became a reality in a very near future.
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... Jay Jay Merda Abrams and his latest piece of shit of a "movie". This is an alien forum, and i going to stick to that subject from now on.
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" If she was not put on Enterprise, is because she skills is need elsewhere." I didn't see it that way at all. I saw it as Spock assigning her somewhere else so as not to appear like it was favoritism, or so their relationship wouldn't interfere. And Uhura knew it had nothing to do with being needed elsewhere, that's why she approached him about it. That was my interpretation anyway.
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First, if this ends up being the Space Jockey story, it's not a "reboot" - it's a prequel. "Reboot" carries a connotation of a new series of movies with new actors playing characters established in the original films; a Space Jockey movie wouldn't be that. It would also (obviously) not be a remake. Second thing: I have no idea who this director is, but to be fair, Scott had virtually no track record when he was given the first, Cameron hadn't even released Terminator yet when Fox liked his script so much that they greenlit him as director for Aliens, and Fincher had only done videos and commercials when he was brought in for Alien 3. Jenuet had a bit more of a track record, but he was by no means a "name" director to Joe Average in the States, so - who knows, maybe this guy can make a good feature. That said - even though if this IS the Space Jockey's story, and is NOT a reboot or a remake, we DO NOT NEED to see a prequel explaining the Jockey's story. I am absolutely tired of the demystification of every fucking story that's out there. Moriarty wrote a good piece on the effect of the SW prequels on the industry over the past decade, and his fundamental point was that the PT kicked off this prequel madness that we're still in the grip of. Some things are better off left to our imaginations, it's just that simple. If Fox is intent on doing a new Alien movie, I'm all for that, but how about moving the story FORWARD instead of going backward? I had the good fortune to see a new print of Aliens at BAM Cinema here in Brooklyn last night, and - damned if that movie doesn't hold up like crazy. I love the Alien universe. I just don't want everything explained to me.
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Serious psychiatric help. These ongoing STAR TREK diatribes are bordering on your previous TRANSFORMERS/Bay dimentia. And we all know how that ended up.You're on a one-note train to nowhere, buddy. Time to get off and move on.
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Smartest thing you've said since you returned to AICN.
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and give him complete control of the whole saga.
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I thought of something that hadn't occurred to me before. What's the sequence by which the Queen gets involved in things in that movie? In the Director's Cut, Newt's family goes out to the Jockey's ship, her dad gets face-huggered, and - presumably - he goes back to Hadley's Hope where an Alien chest bursts him, just like in the first movie. At that point, you have an Alien in the midst of the people, but - how do you go from there to where things are when the Marines get to the base? If he was "impregnated" by a warrior, did that warrior immobilize a colonist, bring him/her back to the Space Jockey, since that's where the only eggs were at that point? Rinse and repeat until eventually a queen is "born", at which point a new home base gets set up not at the Space Jockey's ship, but in Sub-Level 03? Or do we just have to assume that the face hugger that got Newt's dad implanted him with a queen, and that that queen chest bursted him, and immediately sets up shop in Sub-Level 03? If anyone on this board is going to the back to back Aliens/Abyss screening in L.A. tomorrow, and there's a Q&A with Cameron, you should ask!
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that she is done with alien
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in LA. CHRIST, that Wolverine movie was a rancid piece of pig shit!! I thank God every day I didn't pay for that shitastically vapid bucket of puss. Now he's doing this??? Someone fire that dumb fuck.
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Who the hell are you? Who the hell you think you are?
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but maybe not call it 5, give it a subtitle. I wouldn't mind seeing the 'space jockey' planet, but the Alien homeworld should remain a mystery.Rebootquel not necessary. Fuck's sake, there must be somebody in Hollywoo who can write an Alien 5. How hard can it be?
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this webpage about you is kinda freaky: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Chris-chan
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Don't do it, Ridley. Remember how Fox/Tom Rothman fucked you in the ass when they forced you to cut like 50 minutes from Kingdom of Heaven. It didn't even matter, because it bombed in the U.S. And the director's cut is better anyway. Don't ruin the legacy of Alien any further.
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mostly....
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You're a fucking idiot. Live long and prosper.
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I said i have no more to say on that subject, and i ment it. But let me finish by saying this: the notion of the Enterprise being a sort of "elite" party ship wher wsall the kewl kids go to is again totally absurd and totally contrary to the way the military operates. Skilled people are need EVERYWHERE. Uhura feels she only belongs to enterprise an nowhere else? What kind of fucking bullshit stupid mentality is that? That's complete bullshit. Again, that's not military thinking or military praxis at all, it's stupid prima-donna teenager tantrum crap becasue she wants to be intom the cool people party and wasn't invited. Bullshit!Jay Jay Merda Abrams' Star Crap movie is remarkable in one regard: it's a movie where it's possible to find many things absolutly very wrong in EVERY SINGLE SCENE. That's quite an achievement!And again, i hope you honour my wish to not return to this subject in this talkback again. I'd like that very much, thank you for your understanding. I'm sure we will have more oportunities to chat about this in some other talkback. I want to chat about Alien and Alien-relate subjects here because i just love Alien, as i'm sure you can tell.
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Saw yourself in the mirror lately?
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Me? I'm the dude playing a dude disguised as the other dude.
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I'd like to call your attention to a post i wrote for you in the Herzog's Bad Lieutenant talkback. Thank you very much.
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Alien-Decent horror movie Aliens-Kick-ass Action Sci-Fi Alien 3-Decent horror movie Alien Resurrection-Crazy ass Whedon Freak Show AvP-Bland PG-13 Bullshit AvP:R-Dark Ass Mean Crazy Homage Fox-Fucking Evil Bastards
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Yes, i saw that movie. It was funny when said by Robert Downey Jr.
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Little too much ass in that last post. Sorry.
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I completly agree with you. Good call on the alien saga.
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Alien, Aliens,& Predator are great films. None of these three need a remake. I still believe that an Alien vs. Predator film, set in space vs. space marines like the video game, can work; they just need to make sure they stop giving it to shitty hack writer & directors. I am STRONGLY opposed to both the Alien and Predator reboots.
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or buy the Director's Cut DVD.
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sorry for making fun of you, you just need to chill on the star trek stuff. it's just not worth it, you know.
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When people got the idea to link both the Alien and Predator worlds, that was the begining of a very bad idea. And all because soembody, for a laugh, decided it was funny to put a alien-like skull inside the Predator ship in Predator 2. Maybe it could work as a comic, i don't know, but as a movie, AvP is just not bright at all. I reckon both the Alien and the Predator universes are so diverse and different, there's no logical link between them. It just doesn't add up.
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The first one was pretty cool for a 70's era horror flick. After that, they sucked. And after that, someone should reboot MY DINNER WITH ANDRE
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I see the reaosn in your post, and in agree with you, it's not worthy. Yet, i'm sure even you have some movie which the very mention of it makes your blood boil. Same thing here, friend, same thing. Well, actually, it's notthe movie proper that makes my blood boil, but what's wrong with it. But that's s subject for another time. Let's have some Alien fun.I'd like to ask you this: what was your very first Alien movie you watched? Mine was Aliens. I was too young for Alien when it came out. I do remember i was so at awe with Aliens i watched it in the theater 5 times in two weeks. Unfortunatly, i only saw Alien in homevideo, i wish i could had at least watched it once in the theaters, as it is my fave of the alien saga movie.
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Maybe South Park can do an episode where the Alien gets raped by Rothman and Ridley Scott. And Pinkfloyd7, fuck yes...reboot Phantasm.
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they had a chance to do an Alien film with Cameron and Ridley Scott TOGETHER and they passed on that so the director of some Korn videos could have Aliens fight someone in a convenience store. FUCK YOU FOX YOU RUPERT MURDOCH MYSPACE OWNING WHOREMASTERS
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Amazing that we agree on that but not ST. You must be pretty hardcore about it. Which I respect. Fucking A reboot Phantasm! I don't know who you'd get to play the Tall Man, tho. Any thoughts? Alan Rickman on stilts?
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What fucking gets me is Anderson said AvP was a stand alone movie and not connected to the Alien series. So what does he do? Gets Lance 'Bishop' Henriksen to play Weyland. Even throws in a 'homage' to the knife trick, only with a pen this time. Great job of not connecting it. He made it a 'prequel' for fuck's sake. Twat.The only thing good about AvP was the punky-haired French chick. She's tidy.
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should hang their heads in shame, forcing two once mighty species to lumber around in two shit films with a bunch of clowns chucked in as fast food.
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Believe it or not, i'm not a trekkie.Believe it or not, i naver watched any of the Phantasm movies. I know, it's a terrible gap on my film knowledge. I intend to correct that soon enough.If bad remake ideas irks you, then how about that news that Platinium Dunes wanted to remake Near Dark? Platinium Dunes of all people! How more retarded can you get?
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and it definitely shows today.
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I am boycotting Fox franchise movies (started with Wolverine) until they get their shit together and start making some decent films. And I'm a HUGE Marvel fan, although, granted, not the biggest Wolverine fan, but he's still in at least the top 25.
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Not a trekkie and hated Star Trek? That IS odd. As I AM a trekkie and found the new ST to be a ton of fun. Sure, I had my problems with it but overall I'd prolly give it a 7/10. You do need to see Phantasm tho. At least the first one. Big Ass Titties!
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Right there with you man. Although, I bought the Unrated Live Free or Die Hard used on a whim and I gotta say, it's about 200% more die hardy. Which means that it is the studio that's fucking up the movies (same with Daredevil). Fuck Fox, don't give them any more money. I won't.
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…after Alien3 and before Resurrection. 200+ years to see how Weyland-Yutani sent colonial marines to the Alien homeworld to collect specimens. Clusterfuck ensues, marines die, but they get a couple drones back to earth. Experiments are conducted, Aliens escape, multiply and we see the battle to retake Earth. This can help explain why Resurrection takes place off-planet and the Corporations are gone.
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May 28, 2009 5:37:57 PM CDT
Why Alien and Aliens succeeded, why Alien 3, Alien 4, AvP, and A
by bramton1
The first two movies were not about aliens. They were about people. They were about Ripley, Dallas, Parker, Lambert, Brett, Kane, Newt, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez, Apone, Bishop, Gorman, and Burke. Alien 3 has Dillon and maybe Clemens. Alien 4 has nobody, nor did the two AvPs. An Alien reboot is gonna be back as an action movie, plain and simple.Cast...expendable.
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Wierzbowski!
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Why Alien and Aliens succeeded, why Alien 3, Alien 4, AvP, and AvP:R failed, and why a reboot will as well.
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Yeah, I saw the Daredevil Director's Cut and was surprised to actually like it (still not perfect, but WAYYYYY better than the studio cut).
Don't know about Die Hard, though. PG-13 kept me away, but when I thought about it, I realized it didn't any look good in the first place. In fact, I thought it looked kind of stupid (the car flipping toward Bruce, he ducks and it bounces off the cars next to him...it just makes it seem so fake, when part of what was good about the original is that it was relatively realistic...relatively). Haven't seen it, though, so... -
You could look at it as movie studios falling back on established franchises and reworking them for today's modern audience as a result as the global economic downturn.
It's far easier to play it safe and bring out an established brand that people will go see and put bums on seats.
What it doesn't excuse though is piss poor writing and shoddy story telling. Chances are if you bring out a film that is actually good, in the long term you'll see a bigger profit.
The Alien story doesn't need to be rebooted (or whatever the current buzz word in Hollyweird may be). The Alien universe is big enough and diverse enough to tell a different story which doesn't involve Ripley, but can find it's own place within the mythos. After all isn't the original Alien story just a haunted house story, except instead of a haunted house you have a spaceship, and instead of a ghost you have a fuck off big monster? -
ALIEN had characters well developed enough that you actually gave a shit who lived and who died. and who in 1979 could have guessed it wouldve been the non-star girl? i can pretty much guarantee by the way things are going over with AVP that characters will be one-dimensional and the action flaccid..we've seen it before it cant shock us the way it did back then...sigh
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Johner, Christie and Elgyn were decent characters. I liked Elgyn and was a little shocked when he bough it. Not saying it was a great Alien movie, just that it did attempt to build characters--just not the ones I wanted to follow.
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that's the closest in tone to Alien in a science fiction that ive seen
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in about 5 hours.
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if they had Herzog, Scorcese, Spielberg or Woody Allen attached to direct I'd be excited.
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Yeah, Die Hard 4 IS a far cry from the origins of the series, but the DC is leaps and bounds above the theatrical cut. Oh, man, this Alien reboot (or whatever) could be the 'Jason X' of Alien movies. And oddly enough, that sound freakin' rad to me.
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[Spielberg because he'd probably have a little Asian kid running around karate kicking the Aliens]
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In the original it was about real people. Despite the fact it was set in space, all of those characters felt like people you know: complaining about money, feeling ripped off, bitching about the company, and annoyed by their fellow co-workers. Hell, Alien had two of the best blue-collar characters ever (HD Stanton and Yaphet Koto), and really was a film about Space Truckers.
If they do a remake, those characters will be jettisoned for boring, young attractive yuppies. Just look at Cloverfield - you might like the film, but no way the whinny refuges from Rent in that film are near as interesting as the characters in Alien. -
Make something else, for God's sake. Something new. Something no one's ever seen before.
Oh, it's from Tom Rothman? Ahh, the man who singlehandedly slaughtered several loved and well-established franchises, eh? The Franchise Killer strikes again. I'm sure he'll be sipping expensive champagne as he does.
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of Sigourney Weaver using an old Stan Winston mold
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Right on, as usual. The only reason Alien rates at all in my book is that the characters feel real, fully fleshed out. That's also one of the hooks for Event Horizon as well, tho I'm sure Anderson got the idea from Alien. Which is fine, since the characters are their own...uh, characters, and not retreads of the Space Truckers.
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As the Alien Queen! Yes!
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--it's the next GI JOE offering. WOWSERS!--
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I don't know about that. ALIEN³ is more of a drama than anything, which is what I like most about it. It's got two of the best characters in the series (Clemens and Dillon) and come on you've got Brian Glover, Ric Olié, Danny Webb, one of the Dr. Whos, Pete Postlewaite and Holt fucking McCallany all playing memorable characters and the rest of the cast is filled out by interesting-looking people at least, even if most people seem to have trouble telling them apart.
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Michelle Monaghan as Ripley? She's pretty awesome, and needs that breakout role. Also, Monica Bellucci as the tiny woman who lives in my pants, constantly servicing me.
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Delirious with hunger. 'Blue Warrior needs food, badly."
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the known universe will disappear into a black hole. This has been confirmed by Stephen Hawking, amongst others.
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But will the black hole be created by red matter or the Event Horizon's Gateway Drive
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Caruso i'm impressed that you can rattle off the cast of ALIEN 3, but im more impressed that you can make the 3 look all iddy biddy little. How u do that Mr Magic Man?
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I have to google "alien 3" every time and copy the ³ from one of the search results. I'm sure there's a shortcut somewhere on this keyboard contraption, but I wouldn't know anything about that.
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was in my bookstore the other day. I mean my workplace. If I had seen him I would've asked him about 'Predators'. And Rose McGowan's twat.
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Ted, your dick is iddy biddy little too?!
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An alien remake is one of the worst idea's I've ever heard. What's next? Let's remake 2001 a space odysey, but add a big battle to the climax? Just do the avp2 game as a movie and you're set. As for those saying it's a prequel, I don't think they have the balls to do a prequel (What, like Fox would do a movie with no humans in it about the space jockey's?), and even if they did, it's a stupid idea to demystify everything. And if you absolutley must do another alien movie, just do a sequel in the future, without ripley. I can see some cool possibilities there, but for gods-sake not another fucking remake.
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May 28, 2009 6:58:05 PM CDT
The small 3 is what separates the amateur from the professional
by continentalop
Therefore, caruso is a Professional.
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This will suck. Simple as. Nobody can remake that film competently because it's perfect and cannot be improved upon. And as for a prequel? Meh.
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I remember being so frickin' excited to see it after seeing Aliens in the theater about 20 times. Drunk, stoned, sober, paid, unpaid '86 was a great summer. Alien3 was a real letdown. Anyone else have an Aliens summer? That's the type of character development, sfx, story, action I'd like to see again in the Alien franchise.
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Don't make me pull out the crane kick on you. Or leapfrog over your head.
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Ted, not dissing you bro, but the tiny woman who lives in your pants aint gonna do much servicing to a tree trunk that's bigger than she is. That's why im forced to presume you're more of a 'sapling'.
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Blue Warrior needs rest huh? My warrior is purple. You might want to see a doctor.
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here here on the Alien cast.. that is what made it so special
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I was 6, I remember waiting for my Uncle John to get home from work so I could beg him to take me to see Aliens. It didn't occur to me that he'd been lugging six packs for Coca-Cola for eight hours and wouldn't really feel like going out again.
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they're aiming for teen audience...give them what they want
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You said "Blue Warrior needs food." That is an even more disturbing image.
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Like I said, I was not really on top of my game there. But still, the idea of a tiny Bellucci wiggling around down there has a certain...appeal. By the by, when I say 'Uncle John', I am not implying that my mother was/is a prostitute.
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Ever play old-school 'Gauntlet'? It's a reference.
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Question: are there any blue collar heroes anymore in genre movies. The only one in recent years was War of the World, and to be honest Tom Cruise does not make a very convincing blue-collar hero (my dad was a crane operator, and my dad was nothing like Tom Cruise).
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Where you could play a elf, wizard or warrior?
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I understand, cos I used to have a tiny woman living in my pants too. Seemed like a good idea to have her move in but ultimately it was just irritating. More of a tickle than anything else.
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Your Dad was Hetero, I take it.
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Conti, the living legend that is Statham was blue collar in DEATH RACE.
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Because I don't think I could handle him coming out of the closet right now.
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Yeah, it was a four player arcade game. I guess it was my Destiny to be the avatar of the Blue Beetle cause that 'Blue Warrior' line always stuck in my head. But like I was saying, I think the crew in 'Event Horizon' were pretty blue collar. That WAS a while ago now, I guess. Lemme go smoke and ponder that one.
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Wasn't Straham's character an ex-race car driver in that film? Blue collar roots, but not genuinely blue collar.
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Damn you're right! That's like being blonde with dark roots. Not quite there...
Conti, erm, howsabout the hobbits from LOTR? -
Sam yes, but not fuckin' Frodo. Never did a days work, just lived off his rich uncle Bilbo. Fuckin' trust fund halfling.
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As today's audiences move more and more into office jobs and less into, say, lumberjacking, I think the studios realize that in order to have audiences connect with the characters, they put them into more white collar jobs. That was a fucked up sentence, but you get me.
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do in Eagle Eye? You guys see it? Cuz I didn't.
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I agree, but I also think genre flicks have always been reluctant to have blue collar heroes now that I think of it. I mean, in the 40s and 50s I can't think of any monster movie where a truck driver is the hero - it is always a scientist or gung-ho Air Force Major or chief of police. Never bob at the gas station. Only during the 70s through the 80s did we get blue collar heroes. I guess that trend is disappearing again.
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Fred Ward and Kevin Bacon in Tremors.
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Yeah and at the end of the trilogy Frodo and the other fat cats left the plebs behind and retired to 'the grey havens' - aka the fucking country club.
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Which is who I think Quint was referring to, when he said "Space Cowboy" above.
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MurderMostFowl you inadvertent genius.
I nominate the cast of SPACE COWBOYS as blue collar heroes. While i'm at it i'll also raise you with the cast of ARMAGEDDON and THE ABYSS - now im rolling. -
Great characters can't be assumed, but the hook of the original Alien was we had never seen anything like the chestburster before. So that scene was totally shocking and totally made the movie. Also, the grungy used universe has been done to death. A remake would be pointless, there's already been a million crappy unofficial "remakes" of Alien. However, a prequel that takes us to the homeworld or anything completely different than the storylines of any of the Alien or AVP movies is what a lot of fans have been crying for. For what it's worth, they tried (AVP set in current time, Alien 3 tried to be a horror movie like the original with a new take on the Alien, Alien Resurrection trying to be an action movie like Aliens with a new take), but those all failed.
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But the guys from SPACE COWBOYS, they are off the same breed as the guys from the RIGHT STUFF. Plus two or three of them were engineers and scientist (not exactly blue collar).
Same with THE ABYSS & ARMAGEDDON. maybe. But its not like they are the Alaskan crab fisherman or Kentucky coal miners. -
guantlet the greatest game
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both abyss and tremors were like 20 years ago...damn i cant think of anthing recent. there was armageddon and perfect storm but they weren't that good. this upsets me.
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He who drives the Porkchop Express....Mr. Jack Burton!
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Shia worked in a copy store. Like a Kinko's (or maybe it was). He was a college dropout who could never live up to his twin brother's standards in the eyes of his father.
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I think D. Vader is correct here. Starfleet isn't portrayed as a military institution in the film.
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I just remembered THEY LIVE, but that also was in the 80s. And if you think about 2000 on, it gets even harder to name a genre movie with a blue collar hero (WAR OF THE WORLDS is the only one i can name; ARMAGEDDON and PERFECT STORM were both in the 90s).
The working man is getting screwed again. -
needs to grab their pitchforks and torches and show up at Fox ASAP.
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...was made in the 80s. Since 2000 I can only think of WAR OF THE WORLDS and now SESSION 9. Two damn movies with working class heroes - no yuppies, or teenagers, or models, or super-heroes. Just regular Americans.
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are two genre directors who really put blue collar people in their movies.
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it seems people dont want that. they want extraordianry supermen. sucks. im gonna find one from 2000+. gimme a minute.
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I am planning on seeing Trek and T:S next week (see one, sneak into the other).
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Who has disposable income nowadays? Teenagers and middle class/upper class white collar people.
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Just wanted to jump in on that.
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Remake BAD movies, or even mediocre ones. NEVER remake a classic, because it will inherently fail to live up to its predecessor.
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Remake BAD movies, or even mediocre ones. NEVER remake a classic, because it will inherently fail to live up to its predecessor.
If you remake a bad movie, there's at least a chance it will be an improvement. -
John McClane in "Live Free and Die Hard,Wesely Gibson in "Wanted".
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jeebus flubbing christmas! i should have known with the threat of a Predator remake/reboot that NOTHING is sacred. this news makes every fiber of my nerdom enraged! i had to take several deep breaths to NOT put my fist through my alien queen poster on my wall.
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but, he's definitely not white collar. I think I might be stretching the definition of blue collar here.
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not blue collar. And I can't count McClane - he is a cop. Cop's might have blue collar backgrounds, but they have always been included as movie characters and are not blue collar. Same as soldiers.
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If they don't stay true to 40 years of Alien Canon, I'm going to go on the internet and complain!
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—blue collar? Like cops and firemen? 'Cause then you could add 'Frequency' and 'World Trade Centre' (not genre, but, I'm just sayin').
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wait he is still alive? No shit
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I don't really remember.
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But I am going to say "no." That would be like including "criminals" who are often from the blue collar world. Plus, as I said before, cops, firemen and soldier's have always been represented in movies, but how many truck drivers, construction workers or factory workers have you seen in a movie before?
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i can see the pitch now..."we open up on a sunny morning and a man is eating his fried egg sandwich with his black coffee at the diner, you see, he's a truck dr--""thank you for you time. we'll be in touch"
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and I'm there!
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Ridley Scott should direct....Days of Thunder?
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It's about making a movie that if it fails the executives who allowed it to be made are not punished for its lack of success by being themselves fired.
Greenlight a proven property like "Alien" and if it flops the executives are covered because they "went with a proven property."
No movie that flopped will ever get remade. (Now watch some asshole cite an example to the contrary.)
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Cameron and Lucas have been saying it for most of the decade: movies are done as a medium, interactive / multiple storyline is the future, and where all the technology is being developed. You will see Aliens again, but this time you'll be IN IT, and you'll piss your pants in fear.
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Working class girl finds true love - and 300 million dollars
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Yes, i firmly believe this. Alien3 is my next favorite to ALIEN, but I do agree that Cameron's ALIENS is an amazing film. ALIEN3 managed to capture what Cameron didn't, isolation, desperation, feeling trapped. Fincher had the balls to direct a film that slapped the summmer blockbuster that Cameron made right in the face. It's not a happy ending, Ripley dies, they all die, so deal with it. My only beef with 3 is the terrible effects work and the inconsistencies between the rod puppet and the man in the suit. I've been debating the idea of a reboot for most of the day and i think if they could include Ripley then i'd be on board. I can't imagine ALIEN without her. The ALIEN saga is as much her story as it is theirs.
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love the ending! love the score! just goodness. pretty underrated.
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why the fuck not? I mean, I say reboot all the time! Lets reboot Batman. I'd love to see someone elses take on the Dark Knight. And Superman, Jaws would be cool. I think reboots are fine. Reboot away Hollywood! I LOVE 'EM!
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May 28, 2009 10:31:03 PM CDT
Sucked harder than an illegal siphoning gas with a garden hose
by liberal_warrior
Alien 3
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Just like people coming out of their adolescence trying to claim "OHH I NEVER LIKED RETURN OF THE JEDI, IT WAS ALWAYS WEAK, FUCK IT!" Now it's "OHH ALIEN 3 IS ACTUALLY GREAT, FINCHER'S AESTHETIC WAS COMING TOGETHER." BULLSHIT, BWANA! Even FINCHER hates Alien 3. Stop pretending it's good to earn geek cred.
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Alien 3!
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therefore. FUCK. YOU. FOX.
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otherwise I don't care about this movie, not even if they have Megan fox sucking on an alien mini head/tongue for up to 4 minutes.
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I never actually bothered to watch that movie, but I heard that he was a cook. That's sort of blue collar. And Stephen Seagal was the chef in those Under Siege movies. Not technically monster movies, I know, but Seagal was the hero.
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Of course, that might also have something to do with the fact that I was only 11 years old when it was first released. But still, even if my memories are tainted by nostalgia, I still sort of like it. And you can't blame that on ONLY on nostalgia either. My favourite movie used to be The Neverending Story, but I recently watched it again and it pissed me the fuck off. Perhaps you CAN blame that on me not having good taste in movies, but even that's not sufficient to explain everything, when you consider that I also love some genuinely great movies.
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I just heard from more then one source that there will be a Godfather remake and that Efron will be involved in some way. I'm looking for the links now but if this is true in any way I'm done with movies entirely. I'm not putting it past anyone to do this blasphemy. Its the ultimate insult.
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I've always liked ALIEN³ so, you know, die.
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Don't get me wrong, I sort of want to see a movie set on the Alien Homeworld. But back in the 90s I also wanted to see an Alien vs Predator movie. Face it, an Alien Homeworld movie will require creating new Aliens. And the new Aliens will almost certainly be about as lame as the newborn from Alien Resurrection or the Predalien from Alien vs Predator 2. It's a good idea as long as the new Aliens don't suck ass, but I guarantee you that they WILL suck ass. I'm actually more interested in Aliens reaching Earth. And I'm talking about a Doomsday scenario in which the entire planet is lost. Of course, that idea probably won't work either. That'd probably make it like The Day After Tomorrow Plus Aliens. And we all know that disaster movies tend to suck. Adding Aliens might make it suck less than a disaster movie about asteroids or global warming, but those kinds of movies never work.
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is my childhood....they will RAPE my ChiLDZ Ho00Dz
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is my childhood....they will RAPE my ChiLDZ Ho00Dz
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or Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone
or Galaxina
or Looker
or Zapped!
or Brother from Another Planet
or Night of the Comet
or Howard the Duck
or Maximum Overdrive
or They Live
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Yes, Alien 3 had some fine actors in the roles, but I think with the exception of Dillon and Clemens (and Ripley), you didn't really give a fuck if they lived or died. None of them had the "Oh man, I didn't want him to die" that a Hudson or a Parker had. Furthermore, they took two of the characters from Aliens that we did care about, and killed them offscreen during the opening credits!As for Alien Resurrection, yes Johner, Christie and Elgyn were decent characters. Christie was the best. He cares, and we wanted to care about him. Johner was interesting, and I love Ron Perlman, but I don't think that role was well cast. He's very rough around the edges, and made it very hard to care about Johner. Elgyn was close as well, and it was a little surprising to see him die so early, but really just because he was the captain of the Betty. We was too much of a scumbag to make us care enough.As for AvP and AvP:R, hell I was rooting for them to die.
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or how bout Pluto Nash getting a good bootin'?
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Where to begin? When his endless off-topic rants got him banned as BladeRunnerUnit? Or when the same rants got him banned as Memories-of-Murder? He must be feeling the heat again because now, after hijacking countless threads and turning them into one-man Trek hate-fests, he’s trying to act as if Star Trek is off-topic in an Alien thread (after first hijacking it, of course).
AssLives’ basic problem boils down to his poor self-esteem. He is incapable of actually discussing or debating merits or flaws in films. What he does instead is make endless proclamations about what is “good” and what is “bad”, rounded off with sad and vaguely desperate statements which amount to “if you don’t agree with me then you are a worthless human being.” The only time he’ll provide some tidbit to substantiate his inane claims is, as in this talkback, just before he says “and that’s all I have to say about the subject” and will refuse to answer any critique levelled at his “evidence” because he lacks the ability to.
AssLives displays in this regard a classic facet of proto-fascism, where not only “deviant art” is detrimental to the societal project, but the people themselves who enjoy that art are also a threat. He has taken it upon himself to monopolize the notion of what is “good” and “bad” in cinema as well as dismiss everyone who disagrees with him as sub-human morons. I remember one instance, when he was known as Memories-of-Murder, when he actually said that it was fully justified to HATE another human being who didn’t share his taste in movies.
When it comes to JJ’s Star Trek, AssLives has, as usual, done nothing but issue proclamations about how “bad” the film is. He has not, however, backed up these proclamations with any kind of evidence or even explanations as to why he has taken up this position until just recently. This is not uncommon when it comes to this guy, since he has NEVER been able to do so regarding any statement he has ever made regarding any film. Ever. There is truly nothing more pathetic than someone who issues safe blanket statements at soft target movies and then refuses to back them up while at the same time insulting anyone who might potentially disagree. He thinks it makes him sound clever and knowledgeable, but in fact it simply makes him sound like what he really is: a shrill, hollow, intellectually stunted, know-it-all ass pickle.
AssLives is, by all evidence he himself has provided over the years here in talkback, a simply dreadful individual who has garnered nothing from his fellow talkbackers but scorn, hostility, contempt and loathing. Blithely unaware of how offensive he is to most of us he trundles on, endlessly regurgitating the same empty proclamations, basking in the fetid radiance of his own gaseous and poorly constructed posts, marvelling at his own genius and courage. He claims to be insulted by “bad” movies but habitually insults the intelligence of all talkbackers he addresses.
I’d call him a troll only he doesn’t post to cause trouble. He’s merely in mutual lust with his very average intellect and has nothing but disdain for everyone else.
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Remakes are great if in the hands of someone who is passionate about the story. James Cameron knows how to respect the world of the story, not just the plot. Alien was about tight spaces, eery quiet, the hum of the ship's life support system, the stress and ordinary joe demeanor of the characters. All of the " world was intact with the soldiers in the sequel and the alien planet. Its the aesthetics and pacing. Not handhelds and shitty jump cuts.
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To anyone that says "boycott Fox", because of this, Wolverine or anything else, I say that's just plain stupid. Hollywood has ALWAYS been full of cash-grabbing, movie-ruining "suits". It wasn't Rothman or Murdoch that took The Magnificent Ambersons away from Orson Welles and recut it to oblivion and it wasn't Coppola who profited financially from the Godfather movies. Got it?My decision to watch a film or not is ONLY EVER based on the potential (or actual, if I've read reliable reviews) quality of the film itself. Even my favourite directors/actors are only my favourites because they have produced work of a consistently high quality.So to hell with the lot of you. I guarantee I will be first in the queue on opening night to watch Avatar. I'm going to watch it because James Cameron is in that "favourite because of consistent quality" category I talked about and it's actually (shock! gasp!) an ORIGINAL sci-fi film. If anyone out there HONESTLY thinks I'm some sort of traitor because I won't refuse to watch a film because of the particular studio who will be making money from it, then I just say that you are sad, sad, sad, sad people and not worth my time.As for this new Alien movie, I say "meh!". Any creative spark in the franchise died the moment the studio started dictating the course of Alien 3, long before Fincher or Whedon even came on board when it was still going to be a Vincent Ward film. From that point on, the franchise has died a slow, painful and embarrassing death anyway, so there's only two ways to go: so utterly, unbelievably bad that the franchise is put out of its misery forever, or surprisingly good. I fully expect the former (in a way I'm hoping for it), but if advance word (reliable word, anyway) suggests the latter I'll be off to the cinema, laughing at the boycotters as I walk past them
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The only director I will totally follow is James Cameron. He is to directors what John Hughes is to writers. Most writers have 1 great story 2 solids and its all down hill. Shaymalan had 6th sense great, Unbreakable is solid, Signs little less solid. Terantino. Pulp Fiction great, True Romance and Reservoir Dogs really solid (All other films were homage films which are not "real" or reviewable). Only JOHN Hughes has had classic after classic. 16 Candles, Breakfast Club, Fuckin Ferris Bueler, Planes Trains Automobiles, Home Alone, Pretty in Pink etc
Point being they know and respect the "world" of their stories. A motherfucker made a film in a library enjoyable. Fuck that. -
You ever hear of men named Billy Wilder or Preston Sturges?
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I want to stay out and you pulled me back in (quote).Really, to terminate this stuff, i hated that fucking movie because it's a bad fucking movie. I hate it as a movie geek. As i would hate any bad movie, regardless of content or subject. Being ST is incidental.OK, can i go now?
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Well, let me just say this about you: i cannot dislike anybody who has a serious about La Monica. Good taste there, friend. And about Michelle Mohanan (spelling), is it me or was she underrated in Gone Baby Gone?
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Technically speaking, the universe is a black hole. Consider just the fact that it's mass and gravity when added up they add up as much as they would in a black hole. also consider that NOTHING can exists outside of the universe that's aklready in, which, again, is what happens to a black hole.This notion was first bought up to Einstein by one of his college. Einstein was so shocked by the notion he literally stoped in the middle of the street with cars driving by. So, yeah, that notion even boggled the mind of Einstein.
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All astronauts are scientists. Every one of them have science degrees, including the military personal who make the pilot and commander of, say, the space shuttle. It is important for austranauts to have such academic education, it's FUNDAMENTAL to their jobs. Going to space and work there is is not just driving your car to the local clerk store job.And the reason why the characters in Alien are appealing is not because they are blue collar, it's because they are INTERESTING and are played by a bunch of really good actors. Also, consider the fact that the youngest in the cast there was Sigourney Weaver, who by then was in her mid 20s and already had an extensive theater experience. Nobody in the cast of that movie were newbies or lacking in talent and experience in acting.
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May 29, 2009 3:04:36 AM CDT
Some advice for the fucktards this reboot is aimed at
by alucardvsdracula
1. Go to your favourite stockist/online store.
2. Purchase or download a copy of "Alien" by Ridley Scott.
3. Watch the movie.
Because it's already been done, pretty much to perfection. This particular reboot remake is not only pointless and souless but actually upsetting. Tell you what Fox how about coming up with a BRAND FUCKING NEW Alien movie instead. You made 2 (yep, that's right count em) brilliant Alien Movies and 4 retarded ones. I don't know whose idea this is but I sure hope they die real fucking soon. -
Even if Continentalop HADN'T mentioned the two most perfect names for blowing your argument out of the water, I would still have to disagree with your John Hughes love-fest... ... specifically your use of the word "classic".Now, maybe I'm being a little old fashioned here, but I'm getting really, really, really bored with anything remotely popular or even slightly good being labelled "classic". To me, a "classic", in any medium, is something that has stood the test of time and been revered by generation after generation. Beowulf is a "classic" story. The Marriage of Figaro is a "classic" piece of music. Lord of the Rings is a "classic" novel, despite existing solely within living memory, as multiple generations have come to appreciate it just as much as the first readers.The Breakfast Club does NOT fit into this category. Ok?I don't mean to denigrate Hughes' films (I like many of them myself), but they are, at best, enjoyable entertaiment. They will never be any more than that, because they were never INTENDED to be any more than that. They are also achingly obvious as being "of the 80s" and to me a "timeless" quality is a basic essential if you are going to even THINK of calling something "classic". I would be more inclined to call Unforgiven a classic than anything by Hughes, and that film was made in the 90s.I assume that you are of an age to remember them in their initial releases, therefore what you are experiencing sounds more like nostalgia. Well, I have nostalgia for my old Hyundai Pony, as it was the first car I ever owned, but I sure as hell won't be claiming that a Hyundai Pony is a "classic" car...Then again, I've seen adverts for new albums by bands I've never heard of where the words "classic album" are followed by "out on Friday", so if something can be a "classic" before it even exists then plainly the word is now utterly meaningless.
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May 29, 2009 3:10:46 AM CDT
Here's how to stop all these remakes once and for all
by alucardvsdracula
Take our (as yet unraped) memories of Alien and Nuke all the multiplexes from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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from the Aliens point of view. What did he do dicking around the ship for most of the movie?
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For a start, you paid to see AvP and were endlessly excited. For a second you haven't a fucking clue what you're talking about regarding any film, and for a third reading your garbled portuegese infused rantings is giving me a migraine. It annoys the living shit out of me that I'm on the same side of the argument as you.
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kill ripley set on cyberpunk earth, directed by Neil Marshall. or that dude that did the Come to Daddy Video (great shout). Nothing else is acceptable.
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picking a "classic" is damned hard. Hughes is not a classic director- he made enjoyable enough stuff, but some of it is already aging badly.
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great summary of Asshatsadlylives. The only difference I can think of is that Star Trek is off topic in an Alien thread because I haven't seen it and don't like Trek anyway. The Alien remake is going to be my pet subject for the next year.
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...has a nasty drug habit? Well then keep him floating in crank or whatever the hell he prefers if that's what it takes to get him behind a camera. I'm sure that if Fox execs excel at anything, it's scoring high quality drugs.
"Philbrick! Juice him up! We're shooting today!" -
"I've just greenlit Toxic Avenger 5"Poor old Philbrick
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I loved Trek. Top fucking film. Don't be put off by the fact that AssholimovLives hated it -- or that jjjiiisssssmmm liked it, for that matter.
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somebody please fire Tom Rothman, that talentless greedy mothafocka.
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Loathe Kurzman and Orci, and don't like anything JJ Abrams has done. I'll probably see the DVD at some point.
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Damn this PG-13-loving prick to hell.
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As Roger Ebert describes it:
"N]one of them were particularly young. Tom Skerritt, the captain, was 46, Hurt was 39 but looked older, Holm was 48, Harry Dean Stanton was 53, Yaphet Kotto was 42, and only Veronica Cartwright at 29 and Weaver at 30 were in the age range of the usual thriller cast. Many recent action pictures have improbably young actors cast as key roles or sidekicks, but by skewing older, Alien achieves a certain texture without even making a point of it: These are not adventurers but workers, hired by a company to return 20 million tons of ore to Earth."
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I don't really like Trek either. Grew up with the original series, loved Wrath of Khan, liked Undiscovered Country and Voyage Home (despite a horrid score), dislike Next Gen, hate DS9, Voyager and Enterprise.
Before "true" fans start saying my opinion doesn't count, I might add that a friend I've known since grade school loves EVERYTHING Trek, dislikes Star Wars and was one of the co-founders of West Coast Trekkers, one of the largest Trek fan organizations in Scandinavia. He loved Abrams' Trek even more than I did. The fact is that the film has appealed to both "Trekkos" (thank you, Vern) and non-fans alike. Any flaws it has (which are not inconsiderable) cannot be attributed to it not being a "true" Trek film.
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to stop watching them. Who here saw AVP and AVPR? Yes, you're the reason. YOU personally.
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I suppose I'm being a bit of a snob about it, but I can't bring myself to pay to see Star Trek in the Cinema
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(You have to write in ALL CAPS because studio executives are such dense cunts)
Leave ALIEN and ALIENS alone, they're fucking perfect. It's only everything after that point that was shit...
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AvP and AvP:R are gash. AsimovLives paid to see AvP:R. So this is all his fault.
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about this new alien movie may have vaild points. the people going to see the new alien film werent around in 1979. so this will be a new alien film for a new generation of cinemagoers. Fox played hardball over the alien directors cut which it was supposed to release in theatres as a general release. It became a limited release when some cinema chains wouldnt poney up the dough. There are some songs which are legendary. new artists record them because they want to bring the song or songs to people who have never heard them before peole
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that one. Utter rubbish on every level.
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I think you are over reacting to the term REBOOT. Think SEQUEL instead and calm the fuck down. Why are then not just calling it a sequel? A) they don't have plans to cast Sigourney Weaver-as 1 she'd want $$, 2 today's audience asks Sigourney Who?? 3 her story has been told 4 its time for somebody, anybody else to meet the aliens B) the recent sequels in the frachise were and lets be charitable here, less than ideal C) the term Reboot is current in fashion and garners press
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My post here will be a bit long, so i ask you to have some pacience with me and read it through, please.I'm going to admit that i haven't read your extensive post concerning me wholesome, and that's because when i started reading the first lines, i felt a profound sense of irritation and vexation. I felt vexed! Really! My blood boiled, adn i was preparing myself to reply in kind to my feelings. But as I cooled now, i noticed something i hadn't before, not just about you but also about this other fella called Mr Nice Gaius (spelling?). And I got this idea, and i ask you to correct me if i'm wrong here, but i suspect now that you and Gaius believe i am somebody else. Some other fellow you once knew here and which you have a very poorly opinion on. I can only guess you guys must have some deep griveances.If this is the case, i can only tell you guys that I am who i am. I'm me. I'm AsimovLives, or AssmovLives as you seems to find amusing to call me. But that's me. I'm not somebody else. I'm not the person or persons you must be taking me for. You can beleive me or not, that's outside of my control. But that's what i say, and that's how it is. The ball is on your side now.And by the way, it's not my policy to insult fellow talkbacks by making smart-ass variations of their nicks. I don't care how upset i am with another talkback, i'll call him by his chosen nick, it's the very least i can do for him. It's the gentlemanly thing to do. So, i ask you to do so likewise. I'm certain you cna see the wisdom in this type of cordiality. disagree withy me all you want. Criticize my opinions and attitude all you like. That's fine. That's part of the game. But ungentlemanly lowdown crass name-calling for such pettiness is just not good and doesn't became any of us.And to Mr Nice Gaius, if what i said above is right, and if i understand you correctly, then i apologise for calling you a xenophobic retard. It was too harsh and needless. I just didn't understand what you were all about. I just hope you do believe me when i say to yo, that fella you don't like, he/she is somebody else. And a more cordial tratment between us all begins. Thank you.
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We do not always agree with one another, but i think we are in the sam ball here.I'd like to ask you this: do you think that if this remake/reboot happened, that the kids who would watch that movie would feel the same awe and thrills that we got when we first watched Alien or Aliens? Because i really think they will not. They will watch a pastiche, a bad plastic version of the great older movies. They will not get anything lcose to what we got back then when we saw it for the first time. This new kids, they are not being served properly. More and more i think myself so lucky for getting the movies i got at that time in the past.
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Rather than invest time and energy creating something new they're attempting to go for the low hanging fruit by selling on brand alone. I guess it must appear to be low hanging fruit when you have absolutely no respect for the fans.
This is the ultimate in production cynicism. I will boycott this film on principle. -
You pulled this exact same schtick last time when you were accused of being the artist formerly known as Bladerunnerunit. The reason we think AsimovLives is your newest incarnation is that you share the same stylistic tics, arrogant themes and mangled syntax as the previous incarnations. Man up or fuck off.
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That is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to you insulting our intelligence. You think we're too dumb to be able to recognize your tells when you show up. Let me put it in terms even you can understand:
Being somewhat familiar with the world of film I'm sure you know the meaning of auteur theory -- how a director leaves a set of indelible marks on a film which cannot be mistaken for anyone else's, right? Like how The Thing From Another World has Howard Hawk's fingerprints all over it, despite being credited to Christian Nyby, or Poltergeist being Spielberg's despite the official director being Tobe Hooper. Likewise, Michael Bay's particular brand of shit cannot be confused with anyone else's. This is how it is with you, AssLives. You, like Bay, are an auteur of shit -- he in the world of cinema, and you in the wasteland of AICN.
Pretend you're a lawyer presented with these qualities:
1) Is from Portugal.
2) Has a hardon for Blade Runner and Christopher Nolan.
3) Extols the virtues of South Korean cinema.
4) Unreservedly defends Tarantino and Rob Zombie.
5) Displays a rabid hatred of JJ and Bay which surfaces in countless posts many of which in talkbacks which have NOTHING to do with the two gentlemen in question. Also enjoys turning their names and film titles into "funny" joke names.
6) Occasionally writes awkward and slightly creepy posts regarding females in the world of movies, posts which reek of either a poorly concealed asexuality or a profound unfamiliarity with the opposite gender.
7) Has a penchant for enthusiastically writing figurative idiomatic checks in English, the necessary funds of which are severely lacking in his linguistic account.
Now calculate your odds of convincing a jury that there can be three separate individuals who all share those (and many other) idiosyncrasies. Once you're done shaving your balls with Occam's Razor, please tell us how you have the nerve to think we're so fucking stupid that we can't recognize you when we see you.
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and being trauatised by peeking from between laced fingers at porn doesn't count.
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and being traumatised by peeking from between laced fingers at porn doesn't count.
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I accidentally remade my own post.
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" Star Trek is the reason they're doing this "
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Cool, this talkback has gone all SCOOBY DOO.
Doc, Lost Jarv and Gaius are Fred, Velma and Daphne. AsimovLives is the crooked fairground owner who's mask is whipped off to reveal... MEMORIES-OF-MURDER. Dun Dun DUUUUUUR.
"An' I woulda got it away with it if it weren't for you meddlin kids..."
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Fuck this shit
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Probably the most amusing thing I've seen all day. Mate, you made about 15 other disgraceful spelling mistakes in your translation from portuguese to mangled english so why on earth would you concern yourself with this particular one?
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it's when he's trying to pretend that he's above wallowing in TB filth like the rest of us.
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May 29, 2009 9:20:20 AM CDT
Other things I found amusing in AssHives post
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
"i felt a profound sense of irritation and vexation. I felt vexed! Really! My blood boiled" "It's the gentlemanly thing to do." "ungentlemanly lowdown crass name-calling for such pettiness is just not good and doesn't became any of us." "i apologise for calling you a xenophobic retard. It was too harsh and needless."
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May 29, 2009 9:21:34 AM CDT
I am especially amused by the fact that...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
he obviously thinks someone gives a shit.
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Smokes it like a stogie
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Because I've slapped him around so badly in the past. But my personal favourite from that moron's manifesto is:"adn i was preparing myself to reply in kind to my feelings" What the fuck does that even mean?
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I would say we should just kill the fucker and set an example to anyone else who might try to remake a classic but i dont care that much. I used to but ive just become numb to all these remakes, ive said it before YOU DONT HAVE TO WATCH THEM... i still HAVE NOT seen crystal skull and i have not seen T Salvation or starship troopers 3 or any horror remakes, i wont watch this, thats it....you just see something else and dont give a shit
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Starship Troopers 3 is actually quite good.
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May 29, 2009 9:46:41 AM CDT
Can someone tell me why certain TBers who were banned...
by mr. nice gaius
...always refuse to admit who they are/were when they come back?Is it the ownage that they fear? Or is there some sort of Shame Closet that they're afraid to step out of?Jarv is right - MAN THE FUCK UP!
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Well done, sir. Well done indeed.
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Wait till you see the reboot I'm working on.
Personally I'm glad to see that they're doing SOMETHING with "Alien," seeing how the franchise couldn't get any worse. -
Somewhere in Grândola a smelly fist smashes a keyboard in fury.
"But how? HOW can they know it's me? I, who am a master of the English language and a talented writer? What devilry allows them to see through my charade?"
A smile slowly spreads across a sebaceous face.
"Ah, but of course! They are merely GUESSING! Yes, that's it -- a lucky guess! In truth, they are all far too stupid to reveal my ruse. Peasants!"
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no way am i falling for that. anyway i love the first one to much to risk having it..tainted somehow by watching (what i assume to be) an inferior sequel.
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Nice pick-up on the "Mr Nice Gaius (spelling?)" bit. I mean, it's not like AsimovLives doesn't already put my handle in all the subject lines of his replies to me.Hello! Cut and paste!
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Well Alien was the only movie that gave me fucking nightmares for three nights at the tender age of 12 after watching in it on Peruvian network tv with commercials and bad Spanish dub (I saw The Omen and the Exorcists at that age, but I didn't mind them). In fact, that fucking movie traumatized me until today, everytime I watch an old trailer, or reference, or catch it again on cable, my early childhood traumas return and I can't seem to fall aslepp again thinking that the fucking Alien is behind me or something. The fact that they are trying to reboot it or remake it is a fucking shame, way to rape my fucking child traumas Fox!!!
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Can you believe the nerve of this guy?
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Christ, pazuzu et al, get a life. None of you guys is getting away from this with his dignity in tact. Stop embarassing yourselves.
On topic, well, what is there else to say than fuck this shit? Next they'll be remaking Blade Runner as the fun action movie everyone wants it to be. People will tell you how it's much more fast paced than the boring original and that the "themes" are still there, and hey, it's an action movie you want a philosophical treatise go to college you fag and so on. Mark my words, this will happen. Right after the Back to the Future Remake with Shia Leboef as McFly. -
He is pretty hard to believe. Definitely one stubborn sonofabitch.
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Fans have no ownership and therefore no rights, so though my heart is heavy at this news, I accept that every great movie that doesn't need remaking/rebooting/origining will be coming out again over the next 3 years. Instead of watching the new versions I'll download and watch the originals and never give another penny to Hollywood. And the next person that suggests Neil Marshall has any talent at all, (never mind being let lose on an Alien movie) should kill themselves from shame...
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Welcome to AICN. I hope you enjoy your stay.
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What you want me to reply to, friend? And teh reply in kind to my feelings is easy enough to understand. I was upset, and in my reply i would make that very clear. You know, like I do when i write about Jay Jay Merda Abrams' Star Crap.
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Beneath the villanous masked visage of AsimovLives is... AsimovLives! It's like in those movies where after removing a latex mask, beneath is a guy with the same face as the mask. The mask of the man is the man. I am who I say I am and nothing else.
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That movie is so fucking dated.
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I hit the enter key prematurely.Well, it seems by your post coment that it's DocPazuzu who's wearing the pants in the Scooby Doo gang. I'm would not be suprised. He does seem to be the leader of the DocPazuzu/Mr. Nice Gaius/Lost Jarv troika.
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Starring Michael Cera.
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In case you haven't noticed before, i appologised for calling you a xenophobic retard in my previous posts. Now i understand you, and all your posts are fueled by this misunderstanding. From my part, no hard feelings, friend.
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Grândola, hem? No, not quite. I'm from almada, which is quite a bit futher north. And it's funny you came up with Grândola. Either it's an incredible coincindence, or for some reason you do might know of the 70s protest song "Grândola Vila Morena" by José Afonso (one of my own favorite portuguese artists, by the way).Now that i understand what's going on, i cannot feel mad or irritated at you anymore. No, i'm finding all this misunderstanding very amusing. It's like a silly version of an hitchcockean mistaken identity story, only it's as a comedy. You got a terrible confrontation with some portuguese guy before and now you want me to be him, or soemthing like that. Very amusing.I'm sorry, but your atempt to try to prove i'm the guy who you think I am but which i'm not will not hold water. I'll explain:1) Is from Portugal.So? There's 12 million portugueses in the world in Portugal alone, and half that number in the rest of the world, friend. And in Portugal we have one of the highest internet users per capita of all Europe. That proves nothing.2) Has a hardon for Blade Runner and Christopher Nolan.3) Extols the virtues of South Korean cinema.And so does a dozen people i know, be they personal friends, former collegues from college, friends of friends, movie geeks i meet both live and online. There's radio and TV personalities which belong to my generation and age group who also praise and love the same movies i do. There's this radio comedian called Nuno Markl who has gone several times to the TV show Curto Circuito wearing a Blade Runner T-shirt. I don't have a Blade Runner T-shirt, i wish i had one. That guy wins over me on that movie dedication by a head-start. again, your two points proves nothing.4) Unreservedly defends Tarantino and Rob Zombie.Not so. I love Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. I respect more then i like Jackie Brown. I enjoyed Kill Bill 1 but i was not so amused with Kill Bill 2. Death Proof was fun but completly forgetable, i even have trouble remembering QT made it. As for Rob Zombie, i liked House 1000 corpses, i really liked Devil's Rejects, but i'm cold on his Halloween remake, nice ideas, good execution in parts, in the end completly discartable. So, where is this a complete unreserved defense of the two guys, hem? Again, point failed.5) Displays a rabid hatred of JJ and Bay which surfaces in countless posts many of which in talkbacks which have NOTHING to do with the two gentlemen in question. Also enjoys turning their names and film titles into "funny" joke names.everybody i know and who likes movies detest Michael Bay's movies. Everybody. And every mvoie geek i have met in my life here. And this is not just my circle or acquaintances. All critics have panned and trashed his movies since the start of his career. That guy i talked you about, Nuno Markl, he live on radio called Bay's movies gay. Live on the radio. Think about that. And the portuguese humour is quite characterized with extreme mocking and put downs of the things and people we don't like. It's a common trailt by everybody here. Again, point not proved.6) Occasionally writes awkward and slightly creepy posts regarding females in the world of movies, posts which reek of either a poorly concealed asexuality or a profound unfamiliarity with the opposite gender.Creepy posts about females of the cinema? Are you kidding? Hell, you could be talking about the vast majority of the geeks here. You couldn't get more generalized then that. I bet even you would fill that bill, friend. Get a grip, man.7) Has a penchant for enthusiastically writing figurative idiomatic checks in English, the necessary funds of which are severely lacking in his linguistic account.You could be describing many americans in here as well with that. So, point null and void.I cannot be more clear then this: I am not qwho you think I am. I am who i say I am. If you so chose to believe me, fine. If you do not, then, well, at least i'll have a lot of fun with this misunderstanding comedy. I'm finding it very funny and amusing.would it be too much a thing to ask you to stop using the "AssmovLives" thing? I mean, i'm calling you by your nick of choice, could you do the same courtesy to me? not that it matters much, it's another thing that i also find very amusing, but to quote from Lord Bale, it's fucking distracting.
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Another thing: please refrain from xenophobic coments like "sebaceous face" in describing people of my country. for whatever stupid dumb stereotypes like that you cna say about my people, there's others like that to describe yours, whatever country you are from. And it's ungentlemanly and ignorant as well. Whatever problems you migth have had with that other portuguese fellow you once knew or any problem you might have with me, that's still a dumb thing to do, to pull such dumb stereotypes. It only makes you look in a pretty bad light. Think about that.
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Well, can i ask you what was so amusing in those lines you cut and pase from my post? Share the fun, friend.And i didn't wrote those because i wanted others to give a damn. I wrote it because i felt it's the right thing to say. Courtesy to my fellow talkbackers costs nothing.
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Neil Marshall has a lot of talent. Lots of it. his movies proves it. Dog Solders was brillant, The Descent was great, and Doomsday was flawed but was lots of fun. Neil Marshall really is very talented. One of the most interesting directors working today.
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what does that say?
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I can do without your presumptuous welcome, thank you.
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http://tinyurl.com/6on3hn
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It says a lot.A friend of mine just phoned and he asked of T4 had already been released here. He's enthusiastic and excited to what the movie. I remembered what you and many others like southafricanguy have been saying about the movie and i fear my friend will be for a rude awakening. At least, if the movie is as bad as you guys say it is, i'll go prepared.
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Before you serve me up a plate of your hilarious indignation perhaps you should look up the word "sebaceous". You've always been like that -- thinking you know English better than most native speakers. Your ignorance is surpassed only by your arrogance. Same old story with you.
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I'll bet you use the words "darn" and "fiddlesticks" regularly.
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for the new alien "re-imagining' is already being remade.
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...just to have a front row arena seat to see the blood fly when DocPaz eviscerates him... again and again. Cheers, dude. Shit, not even Prometheus got his guts ripped out with such regularity. And AsimovLives, if you're NOT BRU/M-O-M, then I'm officially scared of whatever's in the water there in Portugal.
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I found them amusing because you're obviously a self-important fucking twat. Or mentally deranged. Either way, keep posting. I like to be amused.
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I will accept your apology on the grounds that I'm not entirely sure how you conjured up the xenophobic remark in the first place. The only thing I can figure is that you were so shocked that I pegged you as M-O-M, you went into full fight-or-flight mode because you admitted your were from Portugal (which is something we already knew beforehand). Sound about right?I don't understand why you would play coy and deny that your BRU/M-O-M. (There is no shame in this unless you harbor some embarrassment about getting banned due to your monotonous Bay rants.) Doing so means you woefully underestimate the observational capabilities of the people who read these boards. Let me put it this way......you ever play poker, Asimov? Well, certain poker players have what are known as "tells". These "tells" are very distinctive and unique to each player and can be seen as a clue to the player's style and intentions. The same idea can be applied to most of AICN's most notorious and infamous Talkbackers and Trolls. And you, sir, have an abundance of "tells" that are beyond obvious. Trust me, it wasn't that hard to figure out.
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Blue Warrior is About to Die. Just thought I'd throw that back out there.
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'Lighten up, Francis.'
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Fuck that, get Fred Ward back in shape and make the sequel I've been waiting on for nearly 25 fucking years! No no, do it.
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... an attempt to go back to the type of film that Ridley Scott did so masterfully with Alien. While I don't hate Alien 3, it is definitely a flawed ending to the trilogy (I can't stand Resurrection anymore). Problem was that once you do Aliens, you can't really go back to doing another Alien. Just doesn't work. If they try to do the same type of atmospheric sci-fi + horror mix that Alien was, this reboot/remake will most certainly fail. If they go more for a sci-fi/action/horror hybrid in the realm of Cameron's Aliens, but with new characters who haven't yet encountered the aliens yet, then there is at least some potential. I wouldn't be averse to them attempting something like the Dark Horse series, namely the first three series that dealt with the aliens overrunning Earth. Some of you have mentioned going to the alien homeworld (space jockeys?) which is also a good idea. Although, I hope that they don't overly try to make it a prequel either. The bottom line is something like Aliens but with a lot of new elements needs to be done here. A simple reboot will not suffice. And please no teen characters. Part of what made the alien films so great, especially the first two, was the fact that it was just blue collar people out there in the endless void of space and the harsh frontiers of colonial life battling the aliens. Ripley was no Luke Skywalker, Neo, or King Arthur type of hero, but more in the vein of an everyman hero like Die Hard's John McClaine. She was a tough as nails woman who gathered up every last ounce of courage in her to survive the xenomorphs. A bunch of spoiled teens in the lead in some alien slasher film sounds about as weak and undesirable as watered down beer with piss in it.
As for the director, those commercials by this Rinsch dude are pretty good, but I would really feel better if this were in the hands of someone whose already made a genre film or two (yes I know Scott and Fincher, etc... were commercial directors too). I'll second the Neil Marshall suggestion. He can do suspense, action, and horror. Anyone whose seen Dog Soldiers knows that he would be perfect for an Aliens film. At least Scott is going to be involved. Too bad that years ago Fox didn't take him and Cameron up on their offer to have Scott produce and Cameron write and direct. Instead we got AvP.
Also, no CGI aliens please. Keep the effects practical and in-camera as much as possible. The upcoming low budget sci-fi film Moon seems to be doing models and miniatures pretty well, so maybe they could embrace that for the space ship shots and alien or human colony planet shots here too.
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- Capricorn One
- The Ice Pirates
- Buckaroo Banzai
- The Fly (which of course was itself a remake)
- Reefer Madness
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. . . the sex scene. It was so ridiculously out of place. Other than that one scene, I thought it was a pretty kick-ass movie.
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Pros: Um, well, Ripley was bald, of course, so she couldn't get lice. The alien popped out of a dog so it looked slightly different from aliens we had seen before. That teriffic ending. There were decent actors. Cons: Decent actors playing assholes no one cared about. Killing Newt & Hudson=Slap in the face. Kinda slow pace. 'Slap in the face' is the new 'raped my childhood'. Roll with it.
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I know what you're saying about the prisoners in Alien 3. It was hard to get behind these guys and root for them to live, although I thought Charles S. Dutton's character was an exception to this flaw. Definitely not a bad film in my eyes, just not nearly as exciting and compelling as Alien and Aliens, and miles better than Alien Resurrection and light years better than the two AvP debacles.
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fuck off with the buck banzai remake! people didnt get it the first time around. they sure wont get it now. that movie is mine!!!! all mine!!! back the fuck up! (now picture daffy duck with his arms wrapped around a genie lamp!) ha
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My Mp3 has a mike, and I used it to record the end credits music from Buckaroo Bonzai. So when I'm walking, I can play it and feel like a badass. LV, Dutton is solid, as usual, but the rest of them are either evil or boring. Even Charles Dance, who I know is a good actor. I have a soft spot for Resurrection, it's just such a batshit gonzo freak show. I love it, and the proto-Firefly crew of the Betty. Brad Dourif's reaction to the newborn is priceless as well.
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(buckaroo Banzai), have to be honest dude, could nt get into it, it seemd to have dated badly, and for me it had a lot of cool ideas, but no good script to weave them all together imho..
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has such a oddballness to it that I can see how it became a cult thing. Plus have to enjoy all the great character actors (paul Weller, Golblum, Lithgow etc...)
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the President's on line one about is everything ok with the alien spacecraft from planet ten or should he go ahead and destroy Russia?" "Tell him yes on one and no on two." Fucking Awesome. Also, "Why is that watermelon there?"
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own little bizzare, kooky universe did nt it?
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had i not seen that as a child i probably would be turned off. its a weird one. there aren't many guys who'll step up to bat on that one, but when you do find one, you got a friend for life. LIFE AQUATIC end credits homage to BB end credits--but im sure you guys knew that. J Goldblum in both.
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And I DO have a hard time getting my head around it. But I know I should like it in principle, so I do. And before the end of this summer I intend to create my own homage to BB end credits, but with Blue Beetle and his buddies. Look for it on YouTube this September!
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i was fucking ecstatic when i heard this was coming out on dvd..a special edition as well!
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Do you know if there's a soundtrack album, tape or cd out there? I need to rip the music from the end credits and I don't want to rip it from the dvd.
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i got it from limewire. its a little unethical but where else are you gonna get it?
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would i be able to email it to you? is that possible?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WzB1Rtr7Q0
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missing each other...
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deal with in the avatar talkback...
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yeah i saw that shit. we keep missing each other. whats up?
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during the abyss of all films!!!
how's that for irony?
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Good. We wouldn't want you here in Portugal anyway.
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There's no indignation anymore. All there now is amusement. Great amusement at the persistence of you and your fellow Scooby-Doo gang in carrying on the mistake and misunderstanding. This is the funniest thing that i ever see happening to me here at AICN. I'm completly amused and entertained. Keep it up, you guys are making me laugh a lot.
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Your "xenomorphic" remarks i assumed you made were because soon after i mentioend i was from Portugal, you went on mwe with agressive remarks and such. Being totally unaware of your identify mistake about me, i though you were having a beef with me because i'm portuguese. Also, because i was unaware of your mistake, all your talk sounded dumb, stupid, illogical and just plain nasty for nasty sake. Thus, my only conclusion youhad problems with foreigners, specially foreigners like portugueses. Unfortunatly, i have seen that kind of attitude first hand from foreigners about the portugueses, from french and englishmen. So, it was no stretch to think you were one of that kind.But now i know, it's jsut a silly case of mistaking identities you keep on doing. I'm not upset, i'm amused. It was also cool of you to accepted the appologise.
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This means it will be tit-for-tat. Cool.
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Uh, there is no mistake, dude.
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But what you really think of Alien 3? You think it's a very good movie or just interesting but flawed? I do remember when the movie was released here it filled the theaters. People rushed to see it, at least during the opening release week. I have friends who actually prefer it to Aliens. prefer not in that kind of "it's fun" thing that many geeks hare came up to measure a movie, but in that he feels it's a more serious intented movie, almost theater, and he rates that as a higher quality. I myself i'm a bit divided about that movie because while i share his high opinion of the movie, i also still like Aliens a lot, and i see more to it then what my friend, or even many of the fans of that movie here see. Most see it as "the action movie", but me, it's the drama in Aliens (which there is quite some) that hits me everytime. I think that the thing that i love the most about Aliens is this melancolic mood it has from begining to end. People always talk about the action, but it's the mood that i find the most attracting. This very melancolic, i would call it almost depressing, mood, which makes for a great contrast to the horror and the action that goes on.
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Certainly not from my part, there's not. From yours, lots and lots and lots. And it's very amusing. You guys are entertaining me lots. Thanks for the laughs and giggles, friend.
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Oh really? Do you really think we're that gullible and easily thrown?! Really??? NO! Really?"Hem?" (That's a big hint/tell right there...)
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I don't mind you and your Scooby-Doo gang still keep up with your mistake. It's amusing me. It's making me laugh. I'm very entertained.
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Then you have no idea how fun it is to watch you squirm, play coy, and lie.Sad...but hysterical.
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Have you looked up sebaceous yet? If so, please explain to the class how using it is "xenophobic." While you're at it, why don't you google my nick along with "aintitcool" and "sebaceous" in order to see which other people I've used the adjective on, and then you can use that as evidence of how "xenophobic" I am.
MNG is right, your denials are sad and funny. "Hem" was also used by BRU and MOM regularly. Seriously, give it up. -
give it up asshead. Do you fancy trying to explain the cinematic "quality" (based wholly on your own nebulous criteria) of lifeforce to me again?
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Greets dude, long time no see!
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still surfing the timelines? How's the orcling?
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We all wen to see Night at the Museum last week and had a blast. Ol' Orcus is trying to sneak in a love of movies on her. The Odd thing is, when she was a wee little thing, Orcus went through a reboot and pretty much rediscovered why he loves movies through her eyes. So basically instead of moving forward, orcus moved a few steps back. Aside from that, things are cool. Orcus is enjoying the new job and of course maintaining the timelines. Although Facebook is rather addictive and it pulls Orcus away fro his duties sometimes...:)
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They just can't leave a good thing alone. There is only one solution to this franchise reboot nightmare. Alien vs. Predator: The Musical.
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