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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER remake without Whedon or anything developed from the TV show... seriously...
Hey folks, Harry here and man do I have the scratchiest head scratcher that I've seen in a long goddamn time. I think just about all of us would be interested in a real theatrical launch of a feature version of the BUFFY character as was lovingly developed and handled by Joss Whedon.
But that's not what they're gonna do.
This new film is being developed with the original directing and producing team of the BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER feature - which made all the impact of a shaving cream pie. It's being developed at Vertigo Entertainment, According to Borys Kit at The Hollywood Reporter which is run by the usually very astute Roy Lee and Doug Davison.
Now - apparently they're not ruling out Whedon coming aboard, but apparently they're taking meetings with a number of writers and Whedon would have to audition like everyone else. It seems Roy Lee is the one that has taken control here. And like I said, he's usually someone that I would trust - it just feels weird to announce before approaching Whedon first. Sort of like when McG and crew announced SPACED before talking with the real SPACED team.
I don't know if I would want to start slapping them every which way regarding continuity, etc... but without Whedon I know they'll instantly be met with a wall of fan hostility, that I doubt any other direction will calm.
What do you folks think?
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Never seen the show.
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Might as well just get McG to complete the cycle
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They should do a new Kolchak the Nightsta...oh, wait. Fuck.
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Obviously a loaded question in these parts.
Honestly, I'm sure they WANT Whedon, but are looking for a way to lowball him since Dollhouse isn't the huge hit he was hoping for. If they can't get him... eeehhh... a recognizable property is fairly golden these days and I'm sure they'll try to move forward anyway. -
FUCK THAT
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It's like New Coke.
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Not a whole episode or anything. Just enough to know that it was shit. I don't understand why so many grown men love this garbage. But then I don't know why grown men would love "One Tree Hill" and those fuckers are out there, too.
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I would rather eat a bowl of hot-coals and dead possums before watching a Buffy movie NOT helmed by Joss! Blasphemous and a slap in the face to true Whedon fans.
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Wouldn't this put Whedon fans and Fox on the same side?
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They could get some one like…I dunno, who would be great.
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You can't do Buffy right without Joss on board. Even if he's only a supervisor or Assistant Director like Miller on Sin City I'd be at ease. But without Joss involved at all? How does that work considering property rights and all that jazz? Can't Joss just say "No" at that be the end of it? I friggin' hate Hollywood and their income-focused crap. Nothing is sacred -all is ripe for sodomy.
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That a reboot would be quickly panned, whether it's good or not. If they want big screen Buffy, they need Whedon. 'Nuff said.
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I honestly don't know how I feel about this. I mean, if a Buffy movie were to be made it would undoubtedly have to be a reboot (there's seven years of garbled continuity to deal with there, and attempting to incorporate it would alienate anyone who didn't watch the series), and as much of a fan I am of Whedon's work I'm not deluded enough to think he's the only person on the planet who could write and/or direct a good Buffy script, but... seriously? Joss has even said himself that the only reason he hasn't made a new Buffy movie yet was because nobody would be willing to fund it. If somebody is willing to fund it now, why isn't he the one doing it?
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I think the original film makers of Buffy feature - you know, the ones who fucked up Joss' original script - are looking for $ and are thinking, hey! let's re-boot! Assheads.
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after the Twilight debacle folks, expect every vampire movie ever made to be remade into a pile of pg-13 shit. Near Dark, Fright Night, Too Die For(your a sav if you remember that one), Once Bitten, The Little Vampire, From Dusk Till Dawn, Nosferatu, Lifeforce, Innocent Blood, Subspecies, aallll RAAAPPPPED
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Don't expect much support from online media either. Most big online publications are in Whedon's corner.
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For another five minute death scene.
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I'm all for a "Once Bitten" reboot. I see franchise there.
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Woofy the doggy vampire-slayer.
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I hear Paramount, Bay, Abrams, Orci, and Kultzman are doing a Godfather Reboot / prequel trilogy that involves time travel.
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I liked "Firefly" enough and enjoyed SERENITY, though at times it had a bit of the T.V. stink on it. But for me Joss Whedon will always be the guy who wrote ALIEN RESURRECTION. Thanks, fucker.
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... my cat died at the weekend and they're going to do a Buffy movie without talking to Whedon first. If I get through this week without killing something it'll be a fuckin' miracle!
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The original buffy film is an example of a great script turned into a gay cheesy film. Wheden took control and showed us what it was meant to be. now.... it's gunna get another screwing. there is no justice
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OK Harry I gotta agree with you on this one for certain, as back in the day when I ran a movie theater I remember very vividly the Buffy Movie, which was a near miss, it seemed so great & full of potential...which we later came all to realize in the TV series
this announcemnt...hmmm not sure, they should at least get someone with Sam Rammi type fan-boy love of Whedons tv Buffy
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Was where Alien needed to be taken after Alien 3 took a big dump on the franchise.
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I'm guessing the reason they don't want Joss involved is so they can make their own teenage vampire love story ala Twilight only instead of a human/vamp relationship the twist would be she normally kills vamps. It'll also feature the most emo soundtrack of all time. Blech.
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Kindly die.
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should have been called the appolgy for number 3
hey he did the best he could with crap, not bad for not getting a freehand at story creativity
and see the cast for a proto-type Serenity crew, all pirates, all of them
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Urge to kill... riiiiiiising.
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This is a terrible idea, but if they're going to do it anyway, she would be perfect for the role.
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At least the never tried to remake classic shows like the Twilight Zone or Alfred Hitchcock pre...
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Oh FUCK no. Don't they even DARE try to do this. Why the hell would they even attempt to do Buffy the Vampire Slayer without Joss Whedon? I can't fathom this at all. What a bunch of dicks. Be damned if I watch it without any Buffy people being involved. Gosh damn Twilight and shit like that is what did this.
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...will be Hellmouthish huge.
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I'm sick of trolls who don't know what there talking about commenting on subjects they don't understand. You don't like Buffy? Fine. Try to compare it to Twilight or One Tree Hill and you just look like a fool. I originally thought Buffy was weak until I took the time TO ACTUALLY WATCH IT as opposed to being backward and judgmental for no reason. And no one can't do Buffy without Wheadon.Period. Some things are just sacred. Now all of you can lash out with your thoughtless BS. Corwin_X2: Sorry to hear about your cat. That sucks. My sympathies.
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That's so funny because I've always thought that it was very much a rough sketch version of the Firefly crew.
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Do I really need to comment here?
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I saw several episodes of Buffy, didn't like it. So I could care less if they are remaking the series or not (in fact, I would say I can't see why the hell you would want to remake it).
If you like it, more power to you. To each their own.
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Young girls, gays and man childs....so yeah reboot it and piss all those losers off.
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A Buffy without the self-referential tongue-in-cheek inside a tongue in a cheek might actually be halfway decent. Can we cut down on the camp just a smidge, folks?
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I know you get it too, loved the Jss Dr Horrible and am currently feeling withdrawals from Whedon TV (awaiting Dollhouse on DVD)
not much left on nowadays, and with news like this its somewhat depressing
Corwin_X2, sorry about the cat man
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'cause I'm not laughing.
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experiment. I want to see them go up against the Whedon fans. For once, I'd like to see the disgruntled fans of a property sink a production that is taking them for granted, ignoring them, or giving them the middle finger.
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...anyone who likes Alien Resurrection (and that includes you Caruso_stalker). I can't imagine why anyone would like it. That movie was just fucking terrible. I felt like it was robbing me of IQ point (actually that might explain why some of you like it).
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the only saving grace would be to put Tractenbabe in it in revealing outfits.
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It is a far worse film than ALIEN³. I mean I enjoy it, but it is a really bad ALIEN movie.
ALIEN³, on the other hand, is tops. Anybody who says it's terrible obviously still has their Hicks action figure lodged firmly in their ass.
Don't get me wrong, though. ALIENS rocks.
And, man, that was a serious generalization I made up there. You know what with the action figure up the ass, etc. I know that not everybody who hates ALIEN³ hates it because it wasn't ALIENS 2 or because it killed off a couple characters who'd outlived their usefulness and whatnot. It's a flawed film, but that was the studio's fault. I give Fincher a fuckload of credit for delivering a good-looking picture with tons of goddamn merit. Charles Dance, anyone? So many scenes I could point out like Ripley trying to get Dillon to kill her and shit, man, that is some of the best shit in any of these movies. Are you so blind you can't see that, you guys with action figures up your asses? Or, you know, whoever. -
'One of the underlying ideas of "Buffy" allows Vertigo and Kuzui to do just that: that each generation has its own vampire slayer to protect it... The goal would be to make a darker, event-sized movie.'
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Hey for those of us here in Texas, have we ever tried to get a Buffyverse fest or firefly fest type of thing out this way, say the Alamo Draft house locations?
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Yes yes, teenage girls love vampires and movie studios love teenage girls, but this project is just a lame duck either way. Between the overlong run of Buffy, its spin off Angel, the comics of each, I'd think this universe is pretty well tapped by now. Joss has done a pretty decent job of moving on from this universe anyways, and I'd like to see more new stuff from him rather than watching him go back to this well (though I don't think I'll be bothering with Dollhouse its second season, but Firefly/Serenity was great and Dr Horrible was loads of fun). More Joss would be great, less Buffy would be great too. More Buffy and no Whedon? Yawn. And gosh, Hollywood really is getting tepid these days. Sounds like if you type reboot/remake on the cover page you got a free pass to any studio (any studio bearing the appropriate rights, of course).
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I have nothing against re-interpretations... but seeing as how the prospect of reuniting the cast is not all that impossible a proposition considering the caliber of SMG's recent films, this could be an epic failure.
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I mean, Whedon's never even heard the word "subtle." Or had an original idea, ever.
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I WILL STRAP A BOMB TO MY CHEST AND DESTROY THE PRODUCTION OFFICE OF THIS IF THIS MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT WHEDON! NO! NO! NO!
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This is a horrible idea. I'm a HUGE Buffy fan. Have been for years, but it was the characters and the writing that made it so great. Without Joss at the helm, it would be shit. Buffy fans are rabid and would probably stage a revolt. Also, judging from the hostility of the non-fans here, they wouldn't be able to bank on their support either.
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might want to call that plan of yours plan B...as in Bad idea
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Why not Buffy? I love the series. In fact, I love everything Whedon has done on TV except Dollhouse. Give it to somebody else. Why the fuck not? It was never hugely successful as a movie, and now vampire movies are in. They'd want to take a different approach than Whedon would want. Do it.
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May 26, 2009 12:22:06 AM CDT
I've always said that Fray should be made into a movie
by spifftacular squirrel girl
Vampire slaying (or Lurks as they're called because nobody knows what a vampire is anymore in the future), mutants, flying cars, a criminal boss who lives in a giant fishtank... plus just about zero ties to Buffy/Angel continuity. It'd be perfect.
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I think it's a perfectly enjoyable shitty sci-fi comedy. But goddamn them for killing off Michael Wincott so early in the movie. I mean he didn't even get to kill one fucking alien! But, yeah, terrible ALIEN picture.
I still think there could've been some potential with the Ripley hybrid idea. Plenty of potential.
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I agree that would be a cool movie /franchise
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Who needs her.
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Yet again, they've proven me wrong.
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moonlight. true blood. twilight. Lestat. Van Helsing. Dracula. Blade.
another generic vampire story that frankly, I am completely uninterested in seeing.
What never ceases to amaze me is how "they" always seem to forget that it was never the THING with Whedon, but what the THING represented that made any of it at all interesting. And it's that reputation that has Whedon's fanbase salivating at the very mention of any new franchise he creates. Why shoot yourself in the foot by not only getting it wrong, but by alienating the only people who'd care about a decade old franchinse to begin with?
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They seem to think that it would be a good way to cash in on the vampire craze going on, as if Buffy was a great show simply because of the premise. That couldn't be further from the truth. It was a great show DESPITE the premise and vampire mythology. It was a great show because of the stellar writing, directing and character development. Trying to do a reboot without the talent responsible for those facets -- talent which is clearly in short supply in Hollywood -- is like trying to do a star trek reboot without using the characters of Kirk, Spock and Mccoy. It's absurd.
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his approach for films. I do think he should be a creative consultant for the film and I think pushing the horror a little more would be a fresh approach for the film. I do like the comics but Whedon's track record for film are not good. Didn't like the first Buffy movie nor Serenity. I think this is a good direction for FOX or whoever is running this thing.
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PAVLOV'S HOUSE. Now that shit would be professional.
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Maybe?
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See, here's the thing: Twilight is poorly-written crap. Whereas Buffy is excellently-written gold. Most of the time. Twilight is Mormon propoganda masquerading as tween vampire fiction. Meyer has no grasp of character motivation or dialogue. She uses amateur, borderline high school lit-mag narrative techniques. Her conflicts are weak. Her protagonist is weak. Twilight is, generally, weak. Whedon and the writers of Buffy, on the other hand, created characters with clear motivations. Their dialogue is definitely mannered, which isn't for everyone, but it's by far not "teenage-girlish". They have a great grasp of metaphor (Willow's "magick addiction" aside). They were able to balance between individual, episode-centric plot elements and arc/mythology plot elements within their episodes, which has become particularly expected of hourlong "genre" shows. The only thing the two fictions have in common are vampires, and Twilight's vampires aren't even "proper" vampires.
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May 26, 2009 12:39:48 AM CDT
I know they'll instantly be met with a wall of fan hostility..."
by keblar
that I doubt any other direction will calm."
Damn straight! We're denied a non-comic season eight, and somebody expects us to eat this "well recognized property" shit sandwich? Fuck That Shit 10 ways!
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He looks a little like Yakov Pavlov. See for yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/qu9qsd
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STITCH UP YOUR POCKETS! HIDE YOUR BANK CARDS!DANGER! DANGER, AICN TALKBACKER!CASH GRAB ALERT!
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...this sounds just plain wrong.
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go cry into your "Joss Whedon Is My Master Now" t-shirt. None of his stuff will be as big as the Big Two.
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...is who'll play A.P. Aleksandrov(, V.S. Glushenko, & I.F. Afanasyev?
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I like most of Whedon's work, but Buffy's a classic hero's journey tale, as long as it's written well it could be made by Shyamalan and still be potentially good.
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that I have wished I could shoot laser beams out of my eyes.
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PAVLOV'S HOUSE.
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If I were putting up money for a movie version, I'd question Whedon's creative judgement too (especially as he let Marti Noxon run it into the ground). Of course his slobbering fans will riot if he's not involved, but as there's only 12 (or 112, according to the Fox suits who were afraid of their emails re Dollhouse), maybe it won't matter. Abrams did all right with the Star Trek reboot - maybe Buffy needs a similar reworking by a younger, fresher perspective.
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He's available
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It was a longer lasting iconic property. It still had Spock, Scotty, Chekov, etc. in the new movie. And the original creator is dead.
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So tell us Otis what are you into that we can all shit on? Come on be honest: Civil War reenactments, Over compensating Hot-Rods, or just raping grandmothers?
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PROFESSIONAL!!!!
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May 26, 2009 12:59:54 AM CDT
What's With the Flirty-Flirty Between Herc and Squirrel Girl?
by writefromleft
Am I missing out on something? And shouldn't Squirrel Girl and Script Girl do some sort of dueling banjos-type thing? Only with, you know, dueling cleavages or something?
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You've never read Twilight yet you feel compelled to make a comparison to Buffy. Hrm. That sounds like a well-reasoned argument. Given that, I have to wonder how much Buffy you've actually watched. I mean, if it isn't your thing it isn't your thing. But I get the distinct impression you dismissed it without actually giving it a chance. Which is your right, dude, but you'll excuse me if I then dismiss your opinion.
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skunks let loose on the lot. The Buffy film was horriblle...the TV show great, though yes the final seasons were up and down. But no Whedon, why bother? The other producers were money people with no vision whatsoever
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Herc put the ban hurt on me. Anyway, is this shit ridiculous or what?
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AVATAR.December.nothing else matters
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That matters.
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Buffy without Joss, Mutant Enemy, Willow, etc. is simply an inferior product. Since none of the above are involved, I hope the PTB make their non-Joss version, spend $100 million on this fiasco so that real Buffy/Angel fans can stage viral & on-site boycotts, the movie bombs worse than Ishtar and serves thruout history as a cautionary tale of mispent hubris...Well, you know, unless the chics are hot.
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Motoko, I don't give a good goddam about this ridiculous grade-school faux-phenom known as James Cameron's "Avabore". Who the fuck cares about this tech-geek bullshit?
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Does anyone know what the story is supposed to be? All I've read about on this stupid site is "it'll fuck yer eyeballs hur hur hur" but I don't recall word fucking one about a STORY. Seriously, who gives a shit about the visuals? Buy a fucking XBox if computer imagery gets you hard. Grrr, I'm so tired of fucking Avatar bullshit.
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He's a talentless fucking hack who doesn't deserve to be called a "filmmaker".
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If someone comes along with a decent cast AND script then it will be allright with me.Whedon would guaranty my butt in a a seat though.
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I understand what they're going for here. Ride the new vampire craze, name recognition, but lose the package from the TV-show, to make it more accessible, and maybe lose some of the stigma the series had. They don't want a cult hit, they want a real one. I really liked parts of the series, but I would do the same. That said, the more rabid fans will probably start sending anthrax.
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who else but that misspelled tattoed girl from Heroes. Yuck.
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Whedon is overrated, too. He hasn't really had a breakout hit yet.
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I watched the show for a while, was something of a guilty pleasure, though I gave up on it when they turned Alyson Hannigan's character into a lesbian. I have to say though, this sounds like a supremely odd decision. If this show had been on in the 70's or earlier, maybe, but something that ended less than ten years ago and has a strong fanbase?
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the reason not to deal with Joss Whedon is that any time something of his gets made you have to deal with pickets and letter writing campaigns from his cult every damn day. It's worse than getting sued by scientology, I swear. There are STILL people on AICN going on and on about how they are "brownnosers" or something.
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We all know this Buffy thing is retarded, so let's focus on the real travesty: idiots who think the phrase "I could care less" actually makes sense. It's been included several times in posts in this very thread and I think even Harry uses it. Well, you're all goddamn idiots and it's starting to piss me off. The phrase is "I COULDN'T care less" meaning you couldn't possibly care less about what people are talking about than you do right now... There is no further degree to which you could care less. You are at the absolute zero of caring. THAT is what you morons are trying to say. Get it right, or I will find you all and do awful things to you. As you were...
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I have to agree with what Harry on this one, fan hostility is pretty much guaranteed. I mean, I'm a Buffy fan and I'm already a little put off by this, and if I were Whedon I would be none to happy about someone Bogarting my creation. That said, I'm going to discount the possibility of them making a good film here and after the show ended, I'm not entirely certain we need another Buffy centered movie. The problem is, if they can make a good film about a vampire slayer, does it need to be Buffy, especially if you're not going to bother with Whedon? Is Hollywood's imagination completely tapped at this point or what?
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And I hope to God Whedon fans are rabid enough to show some solidarity 'cos I know some people who're on the fence now will be lapping this shit up come time the film gets released. God help us all. Fuck sake!
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...the movie rights to Buffy, and that Whedon would have to come through her. I guess this proves it? I think I recall her making that claim about 8 or 9 years ago, without Whedon contradicting her...or making any comment whatsoever about her statement.Now, about this new news. Specifically, the way this production team/movie company...has put it to Whedon, if I was him...I tell them to go fuck themselves with their project. Asking him to audition as director and writer of this movie, is the heighest form of insult to Whedon and his fans. I will certainly not be there to support this movie without him!!!
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And I would feel a little bit closer to getting off the ledge.
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why the fuck not.
In a world where you can go to prison for 3 years for killing someone and yet go to prison for 25 to life for selling a bag of pot
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they have to know the fans would never go for this. it's doomed from the start.
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bandwagon. Shit, they sound like Nazis.
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...is just basically a dumb fuck. Abrams Star Tre is much more "tweeny" if we want to get itno specifics. Watch "The Body" "Dead Things" "Wrecked" "Becoming" "The Gift" "Conversations with Dead People" - many of those episodes are more dark and engaging than "The Dark Knight." Yeah, I said it.
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This can only end in massive Internet meltdown as Whedon's fans explode in unison. It is a seriously stupid fucking idea though. Of course they can't do a film with Sarah Michelle Gellar at the moment because she's busy getting ready to ruin her vagina by giving birth to a baby (or possibly the spawn of Satan if it's Freddie Prinze Jr's and not the poolboy's).
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First, Fox fucks you, then NASA, now the movie studio.
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This makes me sick to my stomach. Luckily, if reports are to believed, Joss would have to sign off on it, and he would never ever do that.
Also, all of you tiny fucking haters? You're reading and posting on a site run by a fat fuck who made a full page rant about comic book characters, recently, and then had to retract the whole thing and admit what a useless shit he is because he'd gotten the whole thing wrong. THIS IS YOUR LEADER, AICN readers. So two things:
1) My leader is better than yours because he's not an inbred 300 pound gas bag with no purpose in the universe other than to jack off to the latest Tom Cruise rumor, and
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I am one of the biggest Buffy fans around and an absolute Whedon nut, so the idea of taking one of the greatest characters in television history and giving her a Whedon-less reboot on the big screen is sickening. Beyond that, I can't even come up with the words to describe this. Seriously. This is fucked in the head in a crazy way.And outside of the creative aspect of a project like this, a plan of this type doesn't even make a lick of business sense. Buffy has a pretty big fan base and any project with the Buffy name attached should be appealing to those people, because they're (we're) pretty much the only motherfuckers that are going to bother going to the theatre. You're not going to have a bunch of non-fans rushing out to make this a hit because suddenly Whedon isn't on board and the movie looks a lot more like the first big-screen attempt. This is just idiotic.
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yeah, you said it, and it made you look really stupid.
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yeah, you said it, and it made you look really stupid.
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you fucking Buffy fans are out of your goddamn minds.
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If I spent years developing a franchise and then I have to fight to write/direct it? Shit no. Screw it. let it die.
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comaparing the bullshit that is Buffy to the Sistine Chapel.
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THIS IS WHAT THE WORLD IS CRYING OUT FOR - A SHIT REMAKE OF A RECENTLY-PRODUCED TV SHOW WHICH WAS SHIT TO BEGIN WITH. WELL DONE HOLLYWOOD YOU HAVE FINALLY CURLED UP BACKWARDS INTO YOUR OWN ANUS.
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Get a couple of morons to write it, let a monkey loose with a camera to shoot it, stick it in an avid blender and, voila: Box-Office Gold and top reviews across the board.
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i'd probably watch. id definitely watch is joss and crew were involved. why fuck the man, he did nothing wrong with the show. he created the damm thing, not having him involved is..well.. extremely disrespectful.
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are the same person.
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wil wheaton
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Make a feature AND don't let Ronald D. Moore be involved. Wait! Another BAD idea...
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Make a feature AND don't let The Winchester Boys be involved. Wait! How stupid can I be?
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Make a feature AND don't let Rick Berman be involved. Wait! Actually I like the idea...
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For a good discussion on could/couldn't care less, see Michael Quinion's excellent site World Wide Words:
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In these cases people have tried to apply logic, and it has failed them. Attempts to be logical about I could care less also fail. Taken literally, if one could care less, then one must care at least a little, which is obviously the opposite of what is meant. It is so clearly logical nonsense that to condemn it for being so (as some commentators have done) misses the point. The intent is obviously sarcastic — the speaker is really saying, “As if there was something in the world that I care less about”.
However, this doesn’t explain how it came about in the first place. Something caused the negative to vanish even while the original form of the expression was still very much in vogue and available for comparison. Stephen Pinker, in The Language Instinct, points out that the pattern of intonation in the two versions is very different.
There’s a close link between the stress pattern of I could care less and the kind that appears in certain sarcastic or self-deprecatory phrases that are associated with the Yiddish heritage and (especially) New York Jewish speech. Perhaps the best known is I should be so lucky!, in which the real sense is often “I have no hope of being so lucky”, a closely similar stress pattern with the same sarcastic inversion of meaning. There’s no evidence to suggest that I could care less came directly from Yiddish, but the similarity is suggestive. There are other American expressions that have a similar sarcastic inversion of apparent sense, such as Tell me about it!, which usually means “Don’t tell me about it, because I know all about it already”. These may come from similar sources. -
This "Buffy without Whedon" business is retarded beyond imagination. Then again, so would any Buffy movie be at this point. The series was Tolstoy-level art, the series ended, we're all growing older, now let's just accept this and move on.
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May 26, 2009 4:36:45 AM CDT
This is because they had the rights, and wanted a Twilight clone
by v'shael
It's typical Hollywood retarded thinking. They're not going after the TV audience. They're going after the Twilight audience. "Oh, it's got Vampires! Squee!"
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As a huge Trek fan since the 1970s, I am on record as being orgasmically excited when I heard J.J. Abrams was going to take a crack at the franchise.
But as a huge Buffy fan, I have to say I have virtually no interest in seeing a teen vampire slayer movie that Whedon isn't overseeing.
Is ANYONE in this talkback -- Whedon-lover, Whedon-hater, Whedon-indifferent -- truly keen to shell out $10 for a Whedon-free Buffy The Vampire Slayer project?
I suspect once the folks at Vertigo Entertainment wake Tuesday morning to the vast toxic tsunami of Internet Hate, they'll rethink their approach. Perhaps even before Variety can write its story on the matter.
I just hope Vertigo, rather than simply cut all development funding going forward, take the logical step of phoning Joss Whedon. Then check into the availability of the rights to Willow, Xander, Giles, Oz, Angel and Spike characters.
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Hell, it could be in colour and—Oh for FUCK'S SAKE!!
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Would that make you change your mind?
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...cheesy shows like Knight Rider or the Bionic Wo-
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...is Electra Woman and Dyna Girl.
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Just to piss of the Whedon fans some more who already carry around alot of pent up shit over fuck knows what.I go as far as say the fact ther is no religion based around Whedon is enough to put a dampner on what must have been an already shitty day....and its like this everyday for them.LOL @ "audition like everyone else" BITCHSLAPPED!!
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You could do it all serious and filled to the brim with teen angst —Imagine if they took that approach with something like "Lost in Space"— hell, even put it on the big screen. It would be like…like…Good Lord! (choke!)oh fuck.
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Um. Whedon IS Buffy. Ready-made fanbase hungry for more exists. SMG intoned recently that she'd be up for it. Perhaps we're not getting the full story here; perhaps this has been misreported or something. But Vertigo, if you ARE thinking of doing this without Whedon, then you are obviously allergic to making money.
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He still is not seem to be able to handle all the Hollywood bullshit, and navigate on those waters. "Being too nice" can't be the problem from what we hear from Charisma Carpenter. What then?
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I'll never know
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and they could care less if he is or isn't involved in a movie project, and a continuation of a low rated cable show in movie form is going to have a much narrower appeal than a simple reboot (though I think both ideas are equally terrible). Which is of course what the producers of this movie are banking on. While I'm sure they'll be an internet led petition frenzy, studios, at this point, have probably become pretty accustomed to ignoring fanboy rage, both cause its so ridiculous and because it has little effect on the bottom line. Their gamble here is that the name "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" has more pros with brand recognition than the lack of Whedon's involvement has cons, and from a business perspective, they're probably right. Plus, without Whedon, this gets to be a studio project, where they can dictate budget, cast, story notes, etc. With Whedon they're tying their hands up pretty quickly, and again, only to appeal to a small base of fans of the television show. I have no doubt Whedon would put out a better product (though I think this is a stupid idea no matter how you pitch it), just saying, in terms of investor kyrptonite, not having Whedon would be more like the red stuff then the green kind.
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There may be a way for Joss to spin this all in his favor. Perhaps he can finally get 20th Century Fox off it's ass to finance a proper continuation (if only to mark their territory). That way, the Kazui's can drop this nonsense and get paid without fucking up the brand. If they want to start fresh but still use the "Slayer" mythology, why not tap Whedon to adapt "Fray" into a feature?
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EPIC FAIL.
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you treat buffy fans like shit, then you'll have no-one left to see the movie. if you want a hit, do it right.
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God I fucking hate brainless producers.
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Man, maybe these guys develop cute television shows that are watchable or whatever, but whenever these guys take a stab at the big screen it always just feels like high budget television.
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...how these people expect to get people to forget the cult favorite and a series that lasted several seasons and remains in regular syndication?
I think what we have here is people who think that they can exploit the brand without reproducing its other characteristics.
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if they go through with this, they could probably get him to come back and this time he won't have masturbation to compete with and get a proper comeback. :P
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What, your comments on this board are so important you need to comment on every post and say fuck a few times, so the universe doesn't explode.
As for the Buffy remake, I say no Xander, Willow and Giles, no way. I am actually shocked that Joss doesn't have the rights to Buffy since you know he is doing the comic book as well as the Angel book. A Buffy anything without Joss, Sarah and the mythos is doomed to failure. It is always funny to me that people cite the casual movie goer as an example why no one should care, but what if that person is a casual TV watcher who watched and liked the show? -
I am Jack's welling fan hostility.
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No other way to do it and ensure a modicum of success. It's been pointed out that Joss isn't known to movie-goers, that's true enough. However many more people do know the TV show.
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Of all the dumb ideas that I've heard over the years this one takes the cake.
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On the one level, this is insensitive to Whedon, as the creator of the property, and the driving force behind it. After reading the bit about Whedon having to audition for the license he created, I'd lose respect for him if he actually got involved at this point.
On another level, this is insensitive to the fan base who understand that Whedon having as much control as possible made Buffy great, and I'm already seeing Rothman-sign from Lee.
On another level, this is one of those really lazy calls from Hollywood, to take something that made money once before and squeeze a little more money out of it. Opportunism based on a slew of vampire properties out on in prep now. So, in addition to being a repackage of something audiences already bought, it would be competing against newer, fresher properties, usually controlled in part by their creators.
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Now, don't get me wrong, I love Whedon like a gay uncle, but this could be a fascinating meta-experiment. For example: what if it was actually good? How would the Whedonites react? My gods, what would the Talkbacks be like?!?
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Because if Whedon does it, it will be infinitely better than "actually good". Nuff said.
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Lost too.
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Again, gay uncle, but does anyone actually think that if Whedon is involved it's going to be great? This is an exec-pushed project and it will be exec-manipulated from start to finish. Whedon's voice, even if present, wouldn't be enough to overcome. Thus: not worth it.
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This time it's set in a desert with grizzly bears. The smoke monster will now be a sand monster. The hatch will be replaced with a hut. And John Locke will be a motherfuckin' Jedi.
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May 26, 2009 7:53:51 AM CDT
Brilliant plan! Ignore the only BTVS version people actually li
by spyguy
And now, let's remake THE GODFATHER without any of the Corleones and STAR WARS without any of the Skywalkers.
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Really starting to fucking hate that word. It's like Hollywood decided they needed a euphemism for 'cashcow'
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Whedon has already proven he will fight tooth and nail for what he believes in. Namely, the shows he created. That argument doesn't hold water. Hell, he got BtVS moved to another network to keep it going. I say it will be better because of things like that. He actually CARES for the property as a whole like a child he raised, fed, and LOVED. It would be like someone just taking YOUR child at the age of 17, sending them to college, and taking credit for everything great they do later.
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Whedon shouldn't touch this with a 10-foot pole. And it'd be better for the resultant talkbacks if he didn't.
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I'll give you that it would make for some very interesting Talkbacks, but I can't get around the fact that:
1: The studio took BtVS away from Whedon for the first feature and it turned into a festering bowl of dog snot.
2: Whedon took it back for the series and it was a genuine work of genuis.
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It ran for seven years. A very small group of people love it very dearly and always will, among them many of my friends. There's your warning to the company - no interest from anyone other than people who would be angry if Whedon wasn't involved. Twilight is famous not because of the combination of teenagers and vampires, just as let the right one in isn't brilliant because of teenagers and vampires.
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Mark my words. The movie will be heavy on Buffy/Angel romance.
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This is the singular worst idea EVER! How much crack does one have to do to think this is even remotely feasible? When I read this I puked...literally (not really, but ALMOST!). My torch is ready and if this happens, I'll be forming a mob to burn things down...I don't know exactly what, but dammit...I'll think of something. And when I do...I'm gonna BURN IT!
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Lee Van Cleef is dead. Fuck.
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but everytime someone mentions Willow, all I can think of is Val Kilmer and Warwick Davis. Now that movie deserves a reboot! Madmartigan rules!
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Whedon strikes me as a bit of a prima donna who acts like he invented strong female characters.
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I'll kill them myself if they dare to do it.
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Buffy ended perfectly, no need for more (even if I miss those characters so much).
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People are really comparing the idea of a BTVS remake to that of a remake of Godfather.Deluded fucks the lot fo you.For that reason alone this HAS to happen.
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Then why the comic?
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one is unmistakeably the best American movie made in the past 40 years. The other is an okay TV show that went on far too long after it jumped the shark. No comparison. And Whedon does *not* make it easy for himself when he blames studio meddling whenever any of his projects fails to capture a mass audience.
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it'll be better. His writing has caught some sort of degenerative disease and seems to be getting worse as time goes by. Sure, there were a lot of good things...well, a few good things...that he did with the Buffyverse, but I think handing it to someone who can actually write may be a good thing. Plus, it won't thing it's half as clever as Whedon thinks Whedon is. That's a good thing. Still, there is a cheese factor associated with a "Buffy" movie.
By the way, just wanted to share what Aykroyd said about GB3: ""There'll be a whole new generation that has to be trained and a leader that you'll all love when you meet her," says Aykroyd. "There'll be lots of cadets, boys and girls who'll be learning how to use the neuron splitter and the inter-planet interceptor - new tools to enable them to slip from dimension to dimension."
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one is unmistakeably the best American movie made in the past 40 years. The other is an okay TV show that went on far too long after it jumped the shark. No comparison. And Whedon does *not* make it easy for himself when he blames studio meddling whenever any of his projects fails to capture a mass audience.
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Yep, that's a good way to put it, Harry. I've got some of that too.
The original film was lifeless and silly. It would've been completely forgotten (and I mean completely) if the television show hadn't come along. If they don't involve Whedon, I think the backlash against this would be almost more than the people making this new film would even want to bear.
We'll see.
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"Suck my dick Buffy bitch, oh yeah, thats right, thats the spot" - Angel
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...Vertigo can kiss my butt. Oh wait I rather kick theirs. Not on my planet is a Whedon-less project happening that I am going to put one single penny into.
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"Twilight" is simply popular because it's vampires, teenagers and retarded (literally) ideas of romance and love. That would explain why every other vampire and werewolf romance for teens out there is raking it in, too. Perhaps not as much as "Twilight" but I've rarely seen a teenage girl who reads (or emo boy) without a vampire book, lately. Not that I sit outside the high school with a six pack waiting for the bell to ring or anything.
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It shows you people with the cash flow strings just dont think/care about these characters/stories. They go in this direction it will fucking bomb. Good luck, lol, I guess they don't really care about making something interesting or profitable.
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i can't believe they would honestly think this is a good idea. maybe this suggestion is just a way to test the waters for an kind of buffy movie. surely the altar of whedon is their next stop....
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The movie bombed and if it wasn't for his work on the television show, then no one would even have heard about Buffy. This is even worse than that Bazooka Joe movie rumor.
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Better idea than this shit. I seriously LOL WUT'd when I happened upon this article. Angel: The Series > Buffy anyway, so whatever.
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Girl power is now the norm, not the exception in pop culture. Buffy has had such a strong influence on other shows that it no longer has a niche of its own. Time to move on to other ideas.
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I mean let's face it, he was the best part about the original movie.
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so this news is total lulz. i hope they make it.i cant wait.
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nuff said
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The problem is that a studio would only want to do a Reboot of Buffy and Joss would never go for a reboot.
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Well, I'm enjoying them, but there was no need.
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I've always had a soft spot for the original movie. Mainly because I was forced to see it as a kid by a friend, and actually ended up liking it a lot. But you could tell the movie suffered from a movie studio trying to turn an original idea into something very mainstream and aimed at teenage girls. Joss's vision, I think, actually made it harder for them to do that as it was an actiony (sort of) vampire killing movie. If this movie gets remade, or rebooted, I have no doubt they do NOT want Joss involved so they can go HARD for the High school musical crowd. This is going to be ass-awful because they are going to water it down so much to make it appeal to mainstream audience of tweens they never got last time.
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Gellar is in her 30s and more than likely has no desire to reprise her character. Hannigan is doing just fine on How I Met Your Mother. The rest could use the work, but whatever.
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Gellar is in her 30s and more than likely has no desire to reprise her character. Hannigan is doing just fine on How I Met Your Mother. The rest could use the work, but whatever.
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Gellar is in her 30s and more than likely has no desire to reprise her character. Hannigan is doing just fine on How I Met Your Mother. The rest could use the work, but whatever.
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DId you like the Snyder Watchmen? I know it's not quite the same thing, but still..
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industry prison bitch
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Heck, they remake everything else. Buffy is no more special than any of the other shows/movies that get remade or rebooted every year.
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i mean i know a lot of folks are all torn up about it, but i don't give a drop of shit about this. it feels good to know that about myself. i was never a fan of the show that was a reboot of a bad movie to begin with. i know why people liked the show, but not why people see them as 'family' and shit. it wasn't even whedon's best stuff. i say bring on this movie. maybe it is just the suicide bomb hollywood needs that will cause them to stop remakes for a while. at least a week. we can hope.
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I am sorry, but going from written media to visual media is a totally different thing. There will always something lost in translation between the two. People have to get over the fact that changes will occur when you do make a book a movie or in Buffy's case a TV show to a comic. Granted, I think the Buffy book is almost unreadable right now, but we are not discussing that. We are discussing someone taking over a franchise in the same medium while the person who made the franchise is being left out in the cold. It would be the extent of Ernest Hemmingway taking over Lord of the Rings while Tolkien. Michael Bay talking over Back to the Future and so on. It makes a giant difference due to the fact that we live in an information where the story will get out and lead to a fan backlash. Studios have to realize they no longer live in the good old days where stories like this wouldn't get out til the movie or show premiered. Those days are long gone and the internet fanbase for good or bad can make or break some projects.
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Yeah... no. Spike should be a ZILLION miles away from any Buffy concept. Fuck, by the end of Buffy he was the whiniest bitch of all time. Took 22 eps of Angel to get him even close to entertaining again.
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But Whedon burned the concept out with S6/S7. Then shaped a comic-book that is sometimes good, mostly slight. And let's not forget Dollhouse... In short, I think his Buffy days are long gone.
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I can't believe Joss doesn't own all the rights, Lucas style.
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and will taste the whip for every extraneous post I made.
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How about remaking TWIN PEAKS without Dale Cooper, Killer Bob and Leland Palmer then? Or remaking NORTHERN EXPOSURE without Joel Fleischman, Maggie O'Connell and Maurice Minnifield?
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Really? Because they did a bang up job of putting the original script to film. A couple that made their money off producing the Power Rangers wants to again try to helm a project that far surpasses their intellectual ability. Great.
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TV is by nature episodic, movies are a one-shot deal. Yeah, it's a subtle difference, but whatever. My point remains. Watchmen the movie was made against the expressed wishes of one of the creators. When he complained about it, fans of the movie (including people here) called the creator a whiny bitch.
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Hmm, Whedon has a show named Dollhouse which is in need of weekly guest stars? Makes you think. Course, I'm still boggled he put AMY ACKER in a show and didn't cast Denisof. Denisof is a phenomenal actor.
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The basic concepts were in the original: teenage girl, vampires, watcher/mentor.
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Reboot means starting over again but with a fresh vision and new take on the material.I know of very few incidents where a guy is brought back to remake his own film and most of those are disasters like the remake of The Vanishing. I never saw the remake of Funny Games. But still, a reboot typically means new talent.
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To be fair, Watchmen (the comic-book) was a logical piece that built to a great ending. It's a masterpiece. That Snyder made a good film of it is a miracle. Buffy was a simple TV show with great acting and good writing. It's not impossible to transplant THAT onto a cinema screen.
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my point was that most of the cast would probably not be interested in revisiting something they did 7 years ago.
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And all of you guys hated it. I liked it though.
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We'll have to agree to disagree that Watchmen was good. Personally. I thought it got the message of the original pathetically wrong.
But here's something I notice... technically, the TV show was the reboot. Yeah. yeah, I know the movie wasn't true to Whedon's vision, but is anybody else tired of hearing how when one of Whedon's projects (Alien Resurrection, Titan AE, Firefly, Serenity, Dollhouse - in other words, pretty much anything other than Buffy or Toy Story) fails to grab the public's attention, it's always "THE STUDIO'S FAULT?" The guy's a bit of a whiner. -
It's not that I think this is a good idea, I just don't think it's the worst idea ever. Of course, I didn't get worked up about Bazooka Joe either. If someone wants to drop a few million on that, more power to them.
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I really hope this is true just to see the whedonites flip out for the next year. Its really a no lose scenerio if Whedon isnt attatched. If it fails then everyone will think Buffy cant appeal to a broad audience. If it succeeds then it will show how unneccesary Whedon is. The best part will be the fan boycott which will have as much impact on the success of the movie as the Watchmen fans had on that movie.
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Rutger Hauer looked like an aluminum siding salesman.
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watched the best of the best of buffy, and thought there were mediocre at best. saw one episode of firefly and thought it was cheap shit. never liked his writing & never like his taste in casting women(they always look... unappealing).
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in Rutger Hauer and Paul Ruebens, along with Donald Sutherland doing his Donald Sutherland thing. The leads though were dull, dull, dull. And the idea of a valley girl (like gag me with a spoon) being the savior/warrior was explored with much more wit and subtlety on the series than the obvious movie. Beside, the whole concept is dated. Yes, vapid girls in California will always exist, but this has been played out.
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They better not reboot Once Bitten without Carey. Ron D. Moore could totally reimagine it. And Carey could do that dark dramatic turn he's been waiting for.
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Have you seen the pilot for a show that had Markie Post as Electra Woman 20 years later?
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Charisma Carpenter, Amy Acker, Summer Glau, Morena Baccarin, Sarah Michelle and Alyson Hannigan...Christina Hendricks, who is heating up the screen on Mad Men was cast on Firefly as Mal's "wife"..need I go on...
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What a stupid idea. The show hasn't even been out of production for 10 years... it's still all over the place. Whedon fans are Whedon fans, not fans of the Buffy brand name. Pretty lame stuff. Pretty dang lame.
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Hi. I am your target audience for this, the guy who loves BtVS to death. I would be the person needed to help get the word out and talk all my friends, coworkers, and neighbors into going. And I hate this idea. I would never support it without Joss involved. This is an empty cash-in on a property that is beloved by many. I call bullshit on your company and I will do my part to steer people away from this.
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I doubt Sarah Michelle Gellar could be coaxed on board without Whedon. So that means a new Buffy. What are they gonna do? Recast Kristy Swanson and make her look young with CGI?
This is just a horrible idea for a project. It'd be like doing South Park without Trey and Matt or The Sopranos without David Chase. These guys are clueless for even trying to get this off the ground without Whedon. Don't they know how rabid his fans are? There's no way this project will even come close to having the artistic integrity and genius of Buffy season two or three. Fucking forget it. -
I doubt Sarah Michelle Gellar could be coaxed on board without Whedon. So that means a new Buffy. What are they gonna do? Recast Kristy Swanson and make her look young with CGI?
This is just a horrible idea for a project. It'd be like doing South Park without Trey and Matt or The Sopranos without David Chase. These guys are clueless for even trying to get this off the ground without Whedon. Don't they know how rabid his fans are? There's no way this project will even come close to having the artistic integrity and genius of Buffy season two or three. Fucking forget it. -
Our wires got crossed - this isn't a horrible idea, because there's not a lot to Buffy. It's basically 'blonde girl fights vampires while trying to be normal.'
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Buffy had two great seasons, one good season, and four naff ones. The film would struggle to suck more than S6/S7
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Yeah - you're not the target audience. Who is? The people who pay to see Transformers II.
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I will never see this travesty and will actively campaign against it.
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the names you mentioned is exactly who i meant by unappealing(and really mediocre actresses). but i totally understand why geeks are into them.
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They obviously don't have sarcasm where you come from as I was clearly joking. And by Civil War, I hope you are referring to the brilliant Marvel comics storyline.
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You forgot Angel...which maybe you just lumped in as being part of Buffy. But that is still 12 seasons of television that people loved compared to two part seasons and a couple failed movies. In other words, he's had way more time succeeding than failing. And then there is Dr. HOrrible, which was a huge hit despite Whedon making it on his own dime and releasing it for free. But guess what, that was his complete product without studios involvement and people loved it. The fact is that Fox messed with Firefly from day one, and it got bounced around. Yet it had a huge following and still sells DVDs to this day. Meanwhile, Serenity sucked and in my opinion felt completely opposite from the show in many ways. Whose fault is that? I can only assume the studio who felt certain big effects or set pieces needed to be done to justify spending big money. People have bashed DOllhouse, but it is a well known FACT that Fox wanted a show completely different from Joss's idea. Joss wanted a serial type show focusing on the conspiracy idea, while Fox wanted the cheesy mystery of the week, standalong type eps that people (critics and fans alike) all hated. Funny how, again, when Joss gets to play with his own ideas (the serial conspiracy), those are the episodes that had fans and critics saying the show had promise. And lets not forget that Fox asked WHedon to pitch his S2 ideas...and they liked it enough to renew it. So I think bashing Whedon for failing is more than a little revisionist history.
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To answer you, those two shows should not be mentioned in the same breath as BTVS, and here in lies the problem you and the majority of other Whedonites hold his work in to high an esteem than is really deserving.You will never see it that way and I can appreciate that but realise the general cinema going public including I would say 70-80% of folks who might be interested in seeing a movie about a girl who slays vampires will NOT know who Joss Wheeeedon is, even if they may be familiar with the old show.NE and TP were proper cult shows that became massively popular (worldwide) whereas BTVS was just a popular show with ratings that never reflected the amount of online adoration it got.
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"There's no way this project will even come close to having the artistic integrity and genius of Buffy season two or three."
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sorry i take that one back. hendricks IS appealing. michele gellar, hannigan, summer glau and the rest are just really reaaally unappealing. and charisma carpenter is such a mediocre actress i just can't see anything pass that.
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There are those who've stated on this site that they think Jennifer Garner has a horse face...whatever.You do recall though, Amy Acker was cast in the last seasons of Alias..?
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creeped out by Wynonna Ryder cast as Spock's mother...mother?? Am I (she) that fuckin' old?
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It's disrespectful of all the fans, who will most definitely not only boycott without Whedon, but will actively campaign against this movie. What a cheap, stupid way to try and cash in on the insipid Twilight phenomenon. If this does get made though, it doesn't really matter. It'll suck and fade into obscurity, while the show will shine even brighter by comparison.
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and take this series where every geek wants it to go, Unrated Pornland.
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Everyone knows Buffy is a cult classic.... the most hardcore cult fans(i.e, 99 percent of the audience for a Buffy big screen movie) would boo this movie out of the box office if Whedon wasn't involved or any of the same actors!! Buffy is Whedon's magnum opus, his baby... Why wouldn't they approach him first!!
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That show about 2 FBI agents, one a UFO believe and another a scientific skeptic who handle cases out of the ordinary and supernatural... Just don't include that Chris Carter fella
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I loathe Buffy, but this is a ridiculous idea.
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The question is WHY? Money would be an easy answer, but a tad too easy. If they wanted to make money they'd hire Whedon, Gellar and all the other talent in front and behind the camera and get a kick-ass hit. Now they'll make a C-grade direct to TV movie that'll run infamously on ungodly hours for years to come. Something tells me this is a rights issue and that if Kuzui doesn't do something with the "property" (yuck, that word) they will loose the rights to everything Buffy. I fear it's a 1994-Fantastic-Four thingy that makes sure Something is made.
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Then it's ok to reboot this. You can't have it both ways. I like Whedon, but if he doesn't own it and someone wants to try something different that might work then there isn't much you can say. If you don't like it, then you always have the Whedon version. It might be interesting to me if it was handled more seriously with some actual horror. Otherwise, you would be doing a weaker version of Whedon and what would be the point of that? If anyone wants to argue that Buffy wasn't a bit ridiculous at times then I point to the episode where John Ritter was an android.
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Obviously the porn industry will jump on this and make a remake of one of their forgotten treasures. It will be fun to see with the increase in the levels of depravity it takes to satisfy our internet generation nowadays... actually, I'm speaking of myself when I mention levels of depravity here. This time, the plotholes won't be the only things gaping. BRING IT ON!
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i'm an x-phile, and if they do another movie sans carter, i'd be more curious about it. after season 3 it all went south rather quickly. maybe a reboot by another talent is the right way to go.
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1. It's cashing in on the revelation of TWILIGHT that vampire slaying/romance focused on girl power is very lucrative. They are right, it is lucrative. 2. They aren't going to cast Gellar or Kristy Swanson, they are going to go with someone young, you know, like Gellar and Swanson WERE.3. Whedon isn't essential, and in fact, episodes of the Buffy and Angel series that were solely penned and directed by him tended to be the most shallow and cartoonish visions of the characters. The creative teams that fleshed out the characters often left Whedon behind in their understanding of the characters. DOLLHOUSE has been embarassing, and proves that Whedon can really do wrong. But if the rumor of DOLLHOUSE's renewal is true, it proves that, Whedon or not, a wierd and creepy premise that involves hot young girls in sexual (and other) slavery is appealing, in other words, sex sells. All they gotta do to sell a Buffy remake is make it sexy. Despair, or rejoice, as is your wont.
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Having buffy without Joss no fucking way....
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A Fray movie that was written and directed by Joss and imagine if they released it on the same day as this shipwreck of a Buffy movie. All I know is one would be Awesome and one would Lame. Fray would be the awesome one.
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that other black dewd that's in every fucking movie IS Giles
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Do not want.
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please no death threats or studio bombings! you can protest by making more buffy-angel-spike romance music vids for youtube!
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If you have not seen Hush, you have missed one of the best hours of television. Whedon's direction and script were brilliant.
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May 26, 2009 12:32:53 PM CDT
"If it's ok to reboot Star Trek Then it's ok to reboot this."
by the_man_behind_the_curtain
Riiiight. And where did that leap of logic come from, Darksider? That's like saying, if it's okay to drop a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima then it's okay to drop a nuclear bomb on Iraq.No, wait. Let's put our brains back in our skulls and maybe rethink this, yes Darksider?
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Kelsey Grammer bought the rites. to isis the tv show. He had planned to bring that show back to tv. I have seen a couple of clips on youtube. camp and dated, cheesy as hell, ancient looking. It was a show that I didnt grow up with. but if he was looking to do a show,that would be one to look at
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Samuel L Jackson? He's the only black dude i can think of who's in every movie Will Smith isn't.
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It just doesn't work if the audience needs to have watched the series, especially one with a deep mythology. Trek did the smart thing and wiped the mythology out. Buffy would be smart to do the same. It's a completely different business model when you're talking about dumping $75 million into 2 hours of entertainment rather than $13 million into 26 episodes. Dump Whedon, take a chance at a reboot, you've got a much better chance at cashing in than staying anchored to the 7 seasons of backstory from the TV show. Will it suck? Probably, but most movies do these days.
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Trekkers sent Malcolm McDowell death threats.
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Is like some sort of fucking drunk Irish Script Girl.
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really? seriously? really? REALLY? really. REALLY?
...REALLY!?
first evil couldn't kill this girl but someone with a lot of money and naming rights can?
i'm proposing that we begin sending the Kuzui people money - apparently they're so desparate for it that they're willing to be soulless. i'll send them my hard earned money - please don't make this giant piece of shit movie. -
I sent Malcolm McDowell death threats.
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I've been reading this site now for a few years, and this is my first talkback. Why? Well I'm not too much of a talker on message boards and what not...but this news here really put the icing on the cake. Buffy without Whedon is disrespectful to fans of the series, plain and simple. True fans who have been with the series since the beginning, have been with these characters for some time, and the people who played them like Sarah Michelle Gellar, David Boreanaz,Nicholas Brendon, Alyson Hannigan and many more. Is it the success of Twilight that made Hollywood want to ‘revamp’ the Vampire genre? Who knows, but they shouldn't forget that the story of Buffy existed many years before Stephanie Meyers’ book, and with that the Vampire Diaries series (which L.J. Smith is a far better writer in my opinion than Meyer, although I do like Twilight). The original Buffy film I do love, and yes a series with brand new actors came in to play. But it worked, and to do so again, especially without Joss Whedon, and the actors of the series who fans were with for 7 seasons (and 5 of Angel) is crazy. Will I drop $10.00 to see this ‘new’ Buffy? Hell no.
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The original crew are either 70, 80, or dead. The original buffy cast, aren't, only their career's are dead.
I blame Twilight, because of the in the Buffy series, there was a tormented vampire called Angel, but we all know Buffy was better, and Twilight was rubbish.
So why can't the producers think of something original, and go off with the original crew and create a whole new franchise.
It's going to flop big time, because the new cast will be compared to the old cast, the story will be a Twilight clone, as well as the original is still fresh in people's minds. -
that it had rights of passage thing going on. She was a young making her way through high school and life and while kicking undead butt. buffy as a superhero taking on crims. might just work.
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Did a first season marathon this weekend, and found it very entertaining.
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*facepalm*
I'm really enjoying the internet today. Everyone is like, "FUCK YOU" to the idea of a BtVS - actors, critics, producers. Makes me smile for my fandom. I haven't seen this much excitement since DOLLHOUSE WAS RENEWED. -
Whedon has to audition? That's like asking Ricky Gervais to audition for a third season of The Office. These guys are clueless.
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I'm not totally against this idea. I jumped on the Buffy bandwagon in Season 2 and enjoyed it for most of the run (though I thought the UPN years were less than stellar). I would hope that they would get Whedon involved at a producer-level, but I'm afraid if he wrote it there could be problems. I have not read the comics, but I have heard from my friends that have that they are very hit-or-miss. I'm afraid Joss would try to stay true to all of the continuity he has created throughout all of the different forms of media (tv and comics). I actually think Buffy would be better served with a fresh start getting back to what made Seasons 2 and 3 great (i.e. no Dawn, Xander and Willow interaction, Buffy and Angel romance, etc.) I think Joss may have too much baggage/pride to reboot this properly. I think it could be interesting to have a fresh take. Though I do think it is pretty shitty to not have Whedon involved in some form.
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You have to admit that a well-made action film would be something fresh for this character. The TV series was achingly cheesy on all action-related fronts.
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Not because it wasn't Aliens, but because the alien lacked motivation (killed all the potential hosts for no reason), tried to be all stylistic for no logical reason (a planet of lice? What about the dog? Military ship blows up in opening scene due to a little electrical fire? No halon in the future? Escape pod with no landing gear crashes on the nearest planet killing everybody but Ripley? A prison planet allowed to go on despite all its costs because they found religion? The Alien not cooconing Ripley up and letting her wander around where she could potentially fall into vats of molten lead? etc. etc.). While Alien Reserection was equally bad, I really place a lot of the blame on the director and production. Who's brilliant idea was it to stick a writer who's really good with dialog with a foreign director that is going to blow the timing of every joke and go off on his own with the silly (listen the commentary track. He's patting himself on the back for how funny it was to have locks work by the smell of your breath... ugh)?
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The guy's last film was Serenity. Yeah, big surprise he's not on their list.
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The point of Buffy to some extant is to make fun of horror movie genre. It is the total opposite of a horror movie since the victim is kicking ass instead of getting slaughtered. I really hate this mind set that, because Dark Knight and other darker films worked all super-hero films have to be dark. I miss the Christopher Reeves' Superman days and even the first Spidey were it was light hearted. They were fun movies that made a ton of cash. Buffy was dark at times, but still had light moments as well. Hollywood has to realize that certain things shouldn't be dark like Superman Returns is a prime example of that. Plus, Dark Knight only made as much as it did cause Heath was a retard. It was going to make money, but a billion world wide would not have happened if Ledger was alive today and he would not have an academy award either.
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I know the buffy fans think they number in the billions and their opinion actually has an effect on box office but its just not there. Buffy struggled from season one. The ratings were always low and it was only through Whedon's negotiation skill that there was a season 6 and 7. Angel was in the same boat and again Whedon was able to convince the execs to finance a limited budget Season 5. Firefly couldnt even make it a full season and the movie bombed. Dollhouse is on life support only getting a second chance by Whedon pulling an Angel with a cut budget. As successful as the comic and Dr. Horrible were they didnt set the world on fire. The comic couldnt even sell 100,000 issues last month. I know some people want to perpetuate the myth that everything Whedon touched was gold but its not true. He has a very good business sense and great negotiation skill and he picks good people. Plus he can really stir up his fanbase. That is his genius not the actual stories he tells. Look on this site a few months back when the rabid fans were boycotting Wolverine. They did such a good job that they are already working on the sequel and Deadpool spin off. I hate to break it to some of you but all the blogs, twitterings and talkbacks in the world aren't going to have one iota of effect on boxoffice.
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The Star Treck Reboot was given the AAA treatment with a massive budget, some (sort of) famous faces and a very hot, director in Abrams. Chances are that a Buffy remake will be made as quickly and cheaply as possible. It won't be getting the Star Treck treatment.
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That is all.
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Twilight isn't a successful movie because it has a brooding vampire love story. It is successful because it is based on a series of books that already had a massive tween following. Kind of like Harry Potter fans going to see the Harry POtter movies in droves. If they think they can bank on this audience, who already have a vampire love stroy franchise to follow, they are sadly mistaken. It would be like trying to sell a Harry Potter clone to fans of the books. These tween probably didn't watch the original movie or even the TV show. They will see this reboot for what it is...a feeble attempt to copy Twilight. Why bother when they are already getting what they want?
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If you don't have the cult on board, you're not going to have a hit.
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Come back to the Zone! BTW, I agree with your take on "Serenity" and "Alien: Resurrection." Good point about dry runs/prototypes.
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If they give the job to Ritchie or Singer.
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so many companies, Sandollar Productions (Dolly Parton's company), own a piece of this show that it will be in court for years!
This won't be a Buffy movie that we would recognize anyway.
for once, Fox's lawyers may be the good guys here... fingers hurt as I write that... -
aicn shitfest!(TM)
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As a huge Buffy and Whedon fan, I'm dismayed at all the hate.
I make no assumptions that Buffy fan numbers are in the billions, but I do know that the people who claim this fandom are very passionate. I'm shocked that people on a website dedicated to fandom in general would be so hateful. This isn't like Star Trek where the original show aired decades ago...Buffy ended in 2003 and maybe we think the guy who came up with the story, mythology and created the whole damn universe should have the rights over his own shit or ATLEAST be consulted isn't alot to ask for. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
I'll not be seeing this crap and I wish Hollywood could find some fucking artistic integrity once and a while.
Stop with the hate and let's find some unity so we can stop this SHIT from happening to every franchise and fandom we are geeks love.
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I have a sinking feeling that this will go the way of the Spaced remake. If they some how make it happen it will be universaly shat upon.
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1. star trek. yes can be rebooted. it was run into the ground, the original crew were too old to reprise their roles for a whole movie. needed new blood. got it.
2. x files, can't be rebooted. series run into the ground,series creator alive and has no other cash cow. actors still can reprise their roles. better off being repackaged ala fringe.
3. bsg - original actors dead or no one gives a monkeys about. fanbase nostalgia recognition, can be rebooted and retooled.
4. superman - can be perpetually rebooted and retooled. has instant fanbase and recognition. ala smallville, lois and clark and superboy
5. buffy, tv series has more recognition then movie. all actors are available. series creator alive and kicking. significant fanbase. no you cannot reboot, retool. not yours.
, buck rogers, manimal, automan. - all prime tv series ready to be rebooted. -
The cult will have zero impact. The geek niche pushed Snakes on a plane and Watchmen and they didnt help those movies one bit. The only selling point of the cult fans are that they will rebuy the same dvd everytime a deleted scene is added. I can tell you how this movie will go down. Buffy will slay vamps in her cheerleading uniform. She will fall in love with a good vampire so they can have a romeo/juliet vibe. There will be a happy ending with Buffy and the vamp ending up together in the end. As much as Whedon fans will hate that movie it will still make more money then anything Whedon would have come up with.
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I think you're wrong (or flame-baiting) on most points, but this one stuck out: "I know the buffy fans think they number in the billions and their opinion actually has an effect on box office..."
Part of the reason the show has retained a rabid following is because of its small, insular community. The show speaks to directly to people, and they get very protective of it (example: this talkback). The fandom doesn't think they number in the billions; Hell, that's part of the appeal. They enjoy that they have this relatively private thing to enjoy amongst themselves. I WOULD argue, however, that their rejection of this property would certaintly affect the box office. It's not a popular property (again, going against your "billions" comment) and would need the fans on the street to rally around it and help promote it ("No, really, it's not as lame as the premise sounds!"). This effectively says they don't care about what we think made the show great (nor do they understand it). They are going to go with the cheapest product available. -
I don't understand why there is a need to remake a shitty movie and a crappy TV show into a crappy remake.
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The less i would mind a fresh take on Buffy. It's a fun, simple idea, the more baggage, the less fun. The longer her story got, the more it collapsed under it's own weight. (It still had great ideas. Season 6 "Life is the real Big Bad" could've been awesome, came really close, but a lot of things ruined it.) I'm ready for a fresh take. If Whedon has half as many ideas, as the fandom thinks, he'll move on to do new, better things.
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having actually seen both shows during their tv runs, i see parallels among the two...stellar casting, innovative storytelling with a great balance of drama and comedy and most importantly knowing when to stop to leave the viewer/fan wanting more unlike the X-files. No need for a reboot here.
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Your opinions on Whedon stuff continues to be woefully uniformed (and no, that doesn't mean I think your opinion is wrong). I feel like we're back in a Dollhouse TB.
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it still exists. i'm unsure why'd you wnat to canabalise the names , locations etc, without the actual characters and creators. if you're going to rip off twilight, then create a god-damn new universe.
i like tru blood, twilight doesn't appeal to me, i dislike the underworld series of films, love blade and think supernatural is the clear successor to the buffyverse. make your own god damm universe. if it's going to be any good then you'll have to create it from the ground up. -
This is a terrible idea. Put aside the "Whedon sucks/No he doesn't" stuff for a sec and look at this from a marketing standpoint. The reason that the name "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" has ANY financial value is because of the TV show. And regardless of what you think of Whedon as a writer, the show achieved widespread critical acclaim as a superb TV series - one of the best of the past 20 years, if not ever. For a studio to ignore that pedigree and create a product that feels and tastes totally different from what the public is expecting is like, well, marketing root beer in a Coke can. Nothing against root beer - I like it fine - but if your target audience is the Coke fans, then what the hell are you doing putting root beer in there? It's balls-out silly.
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Why on god's green earth would you want to mess with a good thing! Worst. Idea. Ever.
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As much as I loved the show and would love to see what happened after the show... the story and characters were all so far off from where they started that anyone new to it (and most 'kids' would be new since it's been off the air for a long time) wouldn't be able to connect to it at all. As much as I'd like to see a movie from the show, I understand why that movie would bomb. As long as they do something as creative as the show was with people just as talented I'll give it a shot.
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But there are actual facts out there that back up what I said. Buffy is a huge cult success not a mainstream one. The iconic Buffy image is cheerleader outfit and stake. Fox is going to rape the shit out of this movie. In no way will it be artistically better then anything Whedon does but it will make as much money or more.
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And for that matter, w/out Gellar & some of the rest, why bother?
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Do you have any more info hst666?
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You should only reboot when the original fans lose interest. i would pay good money to see a continuation of the series,whether on film or not.TO DO IT ANY OTHER WAY WOULD SUCK COCK BIG TIME!
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ALIEN³ is not without its plot holes.
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Yes, because rebooting a dead tv show without the original creator is really comparable to dropping a nuclear weapon in present day on a country no one is at war with. WTF?
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Seriously. Without Whedon there is no "Buffy."
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A Buffy remake, without the TV cast and no Joss Whedon, wow he must have made some enemies or what?
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I heard about the Markie Post version, but never saw it. Was it any good?
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the bad movie and turned shit into platinum with the series. But wasn't he responsible for the shit in the first place? Didn't he write the Buffy movie?
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Wikipedia has a little bit about it at the end of the "Electa Woman and Dyna Girl" entry:
http://tinyurl.com/38e5lo
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at the box office. Whedon's the last guy they'll be wanting to invest in for a while.
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Donnie Darko was a cult hit, yet didn't make money in its first run (only DVD brought some cash in). Southland Tales fared worse. Cult hit is exactly that. It lacks box office and has some hardcore fans - very vocal, yelling & loud. Still, a Whedon -less Buffy is sacrilegious.
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Then maybe.....
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...that could have worked.
Redo "Birds of Prey." I didn't like the show, but it had stellar numbers for its first two episodes (which sank like a stone because the show was so bad) and it has a concept that I think people would jump on: the daughter of Batman and Catwoman all grown up. -
Some Motherfuckers always gotta try to skate uphill!
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My point was not "Whedon failed."My point was that when one of his projects doesn't catch on with the general public, it's always SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT. The network screwed him over, the movie wasn't marketed properly, the director rewrote him - Whedon should be a man and just admit that not everybody likes his stuff. Arrested Development did an episode where they dealt with this - Michael Bluth said "maybe wer'e just not that likeable." Maybe Whedon is doomed to cult status. Deal with it.
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And offer David Chase the "opportunity" to participate.
As a launch point, Tony could go into witness protection. He could be retrained to do good as a doctor or a criminalist.
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May 26, 2009 3:24:38 PM CDT
corporategohan616, at this point that would be an improvement
by wookie1972
Carter was all over the second X-Files movie... how did that work for ya?
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I want a Gotham Central show. Period.
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Because I think there's to much bile and hate on these talkbacks, and not enough constructive criticism.
So naturally...
THIS IS SUCH A LAME AND TERRIBLE EXCUSE OF A CASH IN!
SCREW ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE FACE.
I'd LOVE a movie directed by Joss with the old cast, but not this, not like this. -
Gotham Homicide or Gotham PD, for the dumb people out there.
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And stick the Kuzui's on it.
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Stupidity is rewarded here.
May I remind you people that Night at the Museum 2 is top of the box office, and VH-1's top shows are Rock of Love, I Love Daisy, Charm School, etc. -
Actually, Buffy also proves my point. The show went downhill after they introduced Dawn, but Whedonites blame UPN.
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"Watchmen" was maybe a C+ film, a 6.5/10. As a superhero film it was a B-/B, maybe a 7/7.5 allowing for the intrinsic problems of making a superhero film. As an adaptation of "Watchmen" it was a D, maybe a 5. It played all the right notes but failed to reproduce the song that Moore and Gibbons created. It was empty, which was astounding, because the comic was overstuffed with ideas and themes. "Watchmnen" was just a superhero movie. That's all. Sad. I didn't dislike it, but it wasn't at all what Snyder promised.
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and just admit that not everybody likes his stuff." How do you know he didn't do exactly that? Are you attributing fanwanking as facts that Whedon has actually said? Doesn't that make you as bad as the fanwankers?
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SMG is in her 30s and doesn't seem interested in doing a character she hasn't done for 7 years.
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...that scene in The Wire were Bunny Colvin interviews a street kid to show the research dude what they are really like.
Just set it up, sit back, and watch the fireworks.
How did the AICN talkbackers do Herc? Good so far?
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I can't think of exact quotes, but he has definitely bitched about how the suits have screwed with things, which is why he made Dr. Horrible the way he did. The guy is not exactly humble.
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On IMDB Watchmen fans were comparing Snyder with KUBRICK, for pete's sake.
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May 26, 2009 3:41:03 PM CDT
the original writing and producing team from the crappy 90s movi
by castaway
are they really that fucking stupid? I was 10 or 12 when the movie came out and even I thought the movie looked like rancid cow shit (and I liked Howard the Duck and Masters of the Universe the live action movie). I never came to be a fan of the TV series, heck I did not even think it would last 3 episodes when it started. What episodes of Angel I have watched I liked and I also had a blast with the movie Serenity even though I had never watched the TV series Firefly. Not involving Joss and the rest of the cast screams only one phrase: major league fuck-up and a project that is as inactive as a stillborn from day one.
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I know, especially since she left because of how sexual the show became or something... but a man can dream, can't he?
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I'm not saying that this as-yet-unscripted, unfilmed movie will be any good at all, but my point is that sometimes a fresh take does work.
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The TV show was in effect a reboot.
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Though re-imagined Galactica updated a liked, not loved, thirty year old show. Whereas this is an adored, five year old show (four if you include angel). Big difference.
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I realize that there is a difference, and I have no faith that this will be any good. My point is that people are ready to lynch these guys for disrespecting the original, whereas many of the same people called Alan Moore a whiner for washing his hands of Watchmen.
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Without proof, I still have assume you are...what's the opposite of fanwanking? Unfan-wanking? I mean, Joss does talk a lot about his process but most Whedonites take what he says and try to read into what he is implying, ergo, fanwanking. I do it all the time. Still not factual though.
It's like let's say he says that Dollhouse was kinda of shock for him after the complete freedom he had doing Dr.H. A fanwanker will take that and say that Joss didn't like the network interference sticking it's nose in. But that's not really what he is saying, is it? -
Kubrick? Oh, gods, that's funny. I'd say he's more like Lewis Gilbert, who did a number of action-oriented dramas, none memorable, plus several Bond pictures. Decent sense of composition, staged action well, drew passably good performances from his actors. He also did some good, straight dramatic work, like "Alfie." No Kubrick, he, and no Kubrick, Snyder.
Imagine a Kubrick "Watchmen." It would have been slow-moving, but imagine it. Wow. Brutal, mean-spirited, but filled with hope. -
A Kubrick "Watchmen" would be devoid of hope. Look at his "Clockwork Orange" where he changed the ending that implied that man can change and put in the twisted, foreboding image of Alex imagining all the things he can do again.
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Joss Whedon and his brother are apparently huge douchebags. Anyone that I know that has had any dealings with him has vouched that he IS a total "holier than thou" ass.That said, I've enjoyed almost everything he's put to screen. I hated Alien Resurrection, but Toy Story is a brilliant movie. I am a huge Buffy/Angel fan (despite the episodes that David Greenwalt wrote...wanna talk about a douche...WOW! I helped him move once.)Haven't seen ANY of Dollhouse...almost don't wanna. I dunno, I'll see it eventually.I'm not necessarily pissed about this remake idea, but I am rather confused. I know SMG has stated she is done with this character several times, but putting her in a big budger movie with the rest of the Scoobies...wouldn't that be a no-brainer as compared to taking the further chance of changing EVERYTHING...and you can't do the "it's another slayer" thing since they're apparently still going with "Buffy"....just weird.
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"...changed the ending OF THE NOVEL that implied man can change..."
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""It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do... people assume that, if I hated it, then they’d changed the script...but it wasn’t so much that they’d changed the script; it’s that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable." In other words, it's everybody's fault but his.
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Kubrick could be filled with hope, when he wanted to be. He made "Paths of Glory" and "A Clockwork Orange," but he also made "Spartacus" and "2001: A Space Odyssey." "Spartacus," admittedly as a hired gun, shouts that honorable death, especially a death sending a message, means something. "2001" is emotionally empty until Hal's death and the finale, but its message of transcendence is one of hope, though in a different sense. Kubrick could have gone either way with "Watchmen." I like to think he would have preferred the hope of Dreiberg and Laurie to the nihilism and spiritual emptiness of Rorschach and Veidt.
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The ending of the "Clockwork Orange" novel, where Alex remains depraved, was the ending in all American editions until 1986. The book's US publisher chose to excise the hopeful ending. Kubrick was familiar with this version of the story, having claimed he was not aware of the final chaper.
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...that Ripley goes from like this retard who is all out of sorts and shit to some kind of badass spouting shitty one-liners?
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But I like playing Devil's Advocate, and Whedon fans can be so damn strident.
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I never watched Buffy, but adored Angel and a good deal of other Whedon's properties. Dr. Horrible is great pick-me-up, and Firefly was pure fun. But they can't be serious. Buffy without Whedon. Do a movie about Illyria instead from Angel. That would be badass.
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Seriously, ought to be good. After all, the Star Trek reboot was the best thing ever and Roddenberry wasn't involved. Right?
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Kubrick was familiar with the *US* version.
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you left with? Teenybopper vampire hunter. Pass. They'll probably ape Whedon's style of banter anyway, and come up short. For the people who hate Whedon's Buffy show, do they honestly expect that some other take on the idea is going to be anything but crap?
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It's not like the audience they are making this for cares about the original BTVS.
Whedon's hardcore fans are to few in number to do anything.
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That was hard. Coming up with an artsy-fartsy director who isn't dead.
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What I saw of the series, not so much. Preferred (for once in my life) the campy approach, and felt given the subject matter, that it was deserved. I fell in love with Kristy Swanson and thought Paul Reubens was hilarious. Donald Sutherland's performance was pretty good too. If they can take that, tweak it and make it a little better, I'm in.
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Herc. I call you hypocrite, sir. You dig one reboot, but not another. One you love before you see the finished result, the other you'd like to see not even be made (unless it's done to your satisfaction). Give it a chance.
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Y'know, like Star Trek.
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I swear to God after the shit he took on that movie blaming it ALL on everyone else and NONE of it on himself it really wised me to his ways.I love that he is just a battered little bitch when it comes to working for Fox and hope to hell they keep him around for the next 20 years just ass raping him for shits and giggles until he grows a pair and decides to move on to a shelter.The man gives me the creeps and anyone who isnt remotely socially awkward will feel the same way.Fucking ponce can take his lemmings and jump of a cliff and do fandom the greatest favour since trekkies gave up and disappeared on the idea of bringing there cancelled pos show back to air in the 70's.
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http://tinyurl.com/pab2mu
"I hope it's cool."
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would think of doing this without Whedon's TV version as the template. The characters are what was grea: Xander, Oz, Willow and Spike are just irreplaceable.
Casting isn't so important to me,
The old cast was ok but what if they cast a girl who can actually fight as the Buffster?
I liked SMG as buffy but I never for a second bought her as an asskicker. I kind of went with it because the quality and characters of the show were great. Whedon doesn't need to write it, There's a whole slew of guys who can write Whedonesque Buffy better than Whedon can these days. (just look at the comics) -
"Fran Rubel Kuzui and Vertigo Entertainment successfully troll 3/4 of the internet."
http://tinyurl.com/pznt5w
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about a buffy film. and SMG said that she had read the Script for the film and liked it. The story was this buffy was living a quiet life and had given up slaying after the demise of hellmouth. A rather stupid vampire kills buffys daughter. This brings buffy out of retirement and onto the warpath. Where the vampires have to face the wrath of buffy is in enraged at having her daughter killed by vampires.
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there I said it! Happy now?
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Whatever one may think of the guy, being mute or shy to comment is not the first trait that comes to mind. I cannot recall him ever having said anything about the involvement of the Kuzui's in the Buffy and Angel properties. Why so distant now? Fascinating.
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Aren't we?
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During the making of the film whedon said he was locked out of the film process by the Ruble Kuuzis. So the tv show was his revenge and that was why he acted like an asshole. becuase he was now the one in charge.
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I'm not a fan of Buffy and I think whedon is completely overrated.
But this whole idea is idiotic. As others have said they must be hoping to cash in on this twilight crap. And I also assume they have no interest in using SMG? My guess would be that either Whdeon is just too busy and they feel they need to act fast or they simply don't like Whedon's vision for the character. -
Oh, man. Why did you tell me that Kubrick never read the final chapter and wasn't aware of it. All this time I thought he did that because had the balls to stick to actually try and improve another writers ending (ala Chandler & Wilder with Double Indemnity).
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If he is the guy you thought to transfer one of the most realistic female heroines in movie history (a professional woman who survives because she is smarter and mentally tougher than most men) into a super-powered female version of Wolverine, he deserves all the blame he gets.
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...let me make clear the following. I like Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Serenity, Dr. Horrible, Dollhouse and Astonishing X-Men.
Now...I have, in my life as a geek, been repeatedly fucked off by the following line, or variations thereof:
“yeah but you’re going to say that because you love everything X does”
EXCUSE ME?
What the fuck does that even mean? Do you actually believe anyone like this exists?
I have a tattoo related to my favourite band on my arm. My favourite band is my favourite thing (which isn’t a human being) in my life. I expect so much from them that their next record would have to mindfuck me into oblivion to live up to, and exceed past glories. Every time I have expected the impossible and every time have been blown away. If their next album was shit, I would be the first person to say it was shit. I would be thoroughly upset by this development. But I wouldn’t fool myself into thinking that it was good to justify the continued presence of the tattoo. I wouldn’t remove the tattoo. I wouldn’t even be embarrassed to talk to people about what it meant. Because the reasons I got the tattoo - the music they have made, the ways it changed my life, the memories of how it made me feel on countless occasions, will never change. That’s done.
So...I do NOT love everything THEY DO. I love everything they HAVE DONE.
They haven’t done anything to displease me. YET.
There is a “yet”. There is always a fucking “yet”. The fact is that either I might die or the band might break up before that “yet” comes.
Now, I don’t have a Joss Whedon tattoo. And the tattoo theory is the one vaguely convincing reason someone would have for this kind of devotion.
Seriously, I want someone to EXPLAIN this retarded concept to me.
What possible loyalty could I have to Joss Whedon that isn’t related to the fact that he has brought, and continues to bring, a fair amount of joy to my life through his projects? Eh? Why the fuck would I decide that I worship this chubby, not altogether attractive*, ginger dude, whose works I often won’t discuss in public to avoid embarrassment, and who I’ve never even met, to the point where I would blindly “just love everything he does” without a critical eye? (Liked, but didn’t love Dollhouse) Can someone tell me please?
There are people who - yeah I like everything they’ve done. And the reason for that is simply this: I like everything they’ve done. That’s fucking it, okay? If I didn’t like the next thing they do then that statement isn’t true any more but so far, I have liked everything. Whedon is one, or Chris Morris, for instance. Or to an extent, Matt and Trey. I love Mike Patton more than any of those people. He’s my fucking hero. But fuck me has he done some shit in his time. If I felt that way about anyone it would be him.
If Whedon took control of this film, I’d have an unreasonably high expectation of it. I know what he’s capable of and I’d want all of it and a bit more, dammit. In other words, IT WOULD MAKE IT LESS LIKELY THAT I WOULD LOVE IT, NOT MORE. Do you see? Of course, I could still love it - I built Serenity up something chronic and still loved it...but if you think I’d have “blindly” accepted anything “my God” Joss did to my beloved Firefly you’re fucking mistaken.
At the end of the day, answer me this one, cretins. I loved the work of George Lucas for 20 years. I thought he was the most creative person in film. A genius, said I, a word often used to describe him back then actually. I thought he simply could do no wrong.
SO WHY THE FUCK DID I HATE THE PREQUELS SO MUCH?
Answer: Because I didn’t love everything he did. I loved everything he HAD DONE. Then he did something I didn’t fucking like, not one bit. It didn’t live up to his legacy.
Nobody loves everything someone does unless they have some kind of an invested interest. Oh yes honey that’s a lovely picture, I’ll just pop it on the fridge for you. Joss isn’t my fucking 3 year old so why the fuck would I have any interest in praising him undeservedly?
So yeah...stop using that insane argument. Buncha dickwads.
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...the point I actually meant to make was that I fucking love Buffy. LOVE it. Have a lot of love for Whedon too.
But I don’t think this is a horrific idea at all.
If it sucks: “Ha ha, you losers, you couldn’t fucking hope to stand up to the might of THE WHEDONATOR, what a piece of crap that was!”
If it’s great: “Man, I was so wrong, that was great! Possibly even better written than the show! Maybe they didn’t need Joss after all!”
Where do I lose? Either way I’m perfectly content in life. And one way might lead to a pleasant surprise. Where’s the bad?
The only thing I care about as a fan of films, is that it is a good film. I don’t want to see them put a thoughtless pile of crap together but I never want to see anyone do that. I’d be mildly saddened that there was another shit film in the world and disappointed they couldn’t do more with a universe I love, that’s all. And it could in no way “destroy the legacy” of my beloved Buffy either. What’s it going to do, break into my house and shit on my DVDs? Grow up.
Buffy nerds, how the hell do you know in advance that this will not be great? The odds aren’t good (especially if Kazui directs) but you know jack shit until you’ve seen it, and at the moment it’s at the fucking RUMOUR stage. Stay your motherfucking hands, Buffy people, we’re supposed to be better and more tolerant than that, or did the show you claim to love mean nothing to you? Maybe I’m wrong, a minority, maybe it is Joss specifically that people are into and not his work.
Either way, it will put Buffy on the agenda again. People will talk about it. DVD sales will get a boost. Maybe one person will discover Buffy and maybe a million will. A shit film wouldn’t really prevent people buying the DVDs. The idea of any new people discovering Buffy is a pleasant one to me.
Again, where is the big bad?
And if Joss doesn’t own the rights, then he doesn’t own the rights. It’s business. As creator I’d assume he owned them at some point, and chose to sell, knowing full well what that could mean in the future. If this is rebooted, he shouldn’t be involved. Wouldn’t mind if he could do anything to ensure it ended up being good without directly meddling in its conception or delivery (like choosing a writer / director...while staying away from the Buffy usuals), that would be fine. Or if the guy made some money from it, also fine.
The only thing Buffy fans have legitimately got to be angry about beyond this is that it would mean that SMG, DB, JM and the rest of the crew will never hit the big screen together in the post-season 8 (or 7 if you haven’t kept up) Buffyverse. They want THAT movie (I’d love to see it too, to be fair), that’s why they’re bitching so much.
Personally I’d do that first while you still [just about] could and then reboot it 15 years down the line.
And to echo many comments on here, there is nothing we could do about this going ahead. Every Buffy fan in the world refusing to see this film would not prevent it going Transformers huge if it was going to anyway.
The weirdest thing about this is the amount of time since Buffy actually ended. What’s next, rebooting LOST in 2011?
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Go ahead and make the reboot...when it sucks MAJOR BALLS and the fans burn every available theater that shows this abortion, then perhaps studios will re-think and make the Joss helmed, SMG Buffy we actually WANT.
Even if the reboot was friggin' LOTR Oscar Worthy it still wouldn't hold a candle to the experiences BtVS fans have had with the characters we know and love and, therefore, it would NEVER be the real Buffy. Man, the friggin earth is going to shake with the screams of whedonites going to war over this I swear it a thousand times! *begins burning effegies of Fran Rubel Kuzui* -
Sometime ago. Whedon said that making the buffy movie was ahellish experience for him. before that he nad the kuzuis got on great and were the best of friends. All that changed during the making of the film. gradually over time whedon felt that he was being phased out of the production process. the rubel kuzuis more and more sided with the studio. Whedon felt that at the very end had been frozen out of the film process whilst making buffy the movie. and not one of his ideas made into the movie.
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May 26, 2009 5:26:21 PM CDT
"Even if the reboot was friggin' LOTR Oscar Worthy"
by caruso_stalker217
And you'd STILL fuckin' bitch about it?
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--that'll work!---
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they'd do a Tales of The Slayers type thing.
Like a Green Lanterns Corps product.
You could showcase a slayer for awhile or have Slayer of the week stories.
Occasionally you'd see a Slayer fall and could stunt cast SMG or Eliza Dushku ocasionly.
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Honestly.. why is everyone so pissy about this?
Ok.. I will say.. I do NOT like this idea.. in fact.. I HATE it.. HATED the Star Trek reboot too.. just on the FACE of it.. it just feels like LAZY LAZY out of money and original ideas..
Same story. different franchise.. I think the series.. really did run its course.. and the movie? It was cheesey.. it just was.. but fun cheese.. but tonally very differnt than the series EVER was.
BUT.. the thing is.. the new movie.. they can't possibly have the rights to ANY of the characters.. aside from those present in the original film.. meaning.. NO Oz, Angel, Willow.. Anya.. Giles.. or.. ANY of htem..
I am guessing THOSE character rights lie with Mutant Enemy and Joss Whedon.. although the Buffy character must remain with Kuzui.. who did at LEAST, unlike JJ and company have SOMETHING to do with Buffy... Did JJ and crew have ANYTHING to do with Star Trek? nope.. j
now.. the bad news.. yeah.. its going to be a cheap reboot/Twilight wannabe movie.. let's face it.. that's just the reality.
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They'd organize rallies and protests and then there'd be, like, 5 angry geeks wearing "Joss Whedon Is My Master Now" T-shirts. I'd be amazing. Go, Hollywood Reboot, Go!!
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It's too bad studios have a stake in the copyrights to indivual's properties. It would be nice if Whedon could just say Fuck you and block them from touching this. Anytime ANY movie, song, painiting, etc... is redone it is never for the better. This will be no different.
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But they rebooted Hulk and Punisher. They rebooted Punisher twice.
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Anytime ANY movie, song, painiting, etc... is redone it is never for the better. This will be no different.
So, by your logic, the Buffy TV show, which was a reboot of the movie, paled in comparison to said movie?
Hoisted by thine own petard, sir.
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You can sit down and watch both "Incredible Hulk" and "Punisher: War Zone" and they work almost 95% as direct sequels to the previous movies. They aren't origin films, they have minimal flashbacks to the origins at best (War Zone is just a throwaway line). If they reboot Buffy, it'd have to be an origin story. Which the original film already is one. I say bring it on anyway just for the shitstorm that would come down. It'd be fun to watch.
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Got you there. Hell, I even like Spielberg's War of the Worlds more than the first one.
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Says:
"I hope it's cool."
Same sort of thing I said above. Just...in about 7000 less words.
Now, Whedonites, surely we have to bless this movie, now the master hath spake?
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Not every single remake sucks. Understand this simple fact, people.
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...STAFF MEMBER IS NOTHING BUT A FUCKHEAD MULT FOR JJ & CO. OMFG. ALL OF THE AICN DOUCHEBAGS GETTING EXCITED ABOUT TREK GETTING SAVAGED BY THAT PRICK, BUT BUFFY IS OFF-LIMITS?
KILL ME NOW. -
...BEFORE AND AFTER FIREFLY. I ONLY DID DOLLHOUSE TO POSSIBLY GET A CRACK AT LICKING ELIZA DOOLITTLEACTING'S PRETTY LITTLE ASSHOLE. TRUE STORY."
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Can't think of anyone else that would remotely work.
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May 26, 2009 6:16:18 PM CDT
we should all join hands + sing the buffy theme song 2gether.
by alice 13
lets do it now, in this, the darkest of dark hours.many throats, one voice. \o/all together now. a-one, and-a two, and-a...
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If formula holds, Willow is like Spock to Buffy, and then maybe old Willow shows up to tell Buffy that she should work with Willow. Or something like that!
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your writing is slurred.
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opens up a portal into another reality, kills that reality's version of Willow, Xander, Giles, Angel, Spike, etc., and is subsequently killed by that reality's Buffy, who is then left to face the forces of evil all by herself. Until, of course, she meets this handsome young vampire and. . .
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Those silly Kazuis will make it as much like Twilght and as little like Buffy as they possibly can, pleasing no-one.
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Someone said most people don't know Joss Whedon.. that may be true but everyone who every watched Buffy the tv series KNOWS Sarah Michelle Gellar, David Boreanzes, James Marsters etc!
A Buffy movie without those faces WILL NEVER WORK. I'd be the first on the boycott line!
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Sorry I missed your comment but you have to admit that some Buffy fans (and fans of any franchise) believe their numbers are bigger then they actually are. Being a small passionate group is awesome and sharing that love is great. You seem to have a solid grasp of the situation. Some people do not. Every time something Whedon does fails they blame everyone but Whedon. Sometimes they go the other route and play the "Whedon is just to smart for the common people to understand" card. The most militant of the Whedonites cant stand any criticism of the man at all and try and get people banned or their posts removed just for disagreeing with them. In a perfect world it would be nice for Fox to give Whedon a shot at Buffy but Serenity alone is enough to give them a valid reason to hesitate. Fox has two choices. Make Buffy for around 15 million and easily make 30-40 million. Or give it to Whedon to make for around 30-40 million and get back about 30-40 million. The plus for the Whedon version is they can continually rerelease the DVD every 3 months with a bonus commentary and milk the fans for years. Short term a generic 15 million Buffy makes Fox more money. (and the movie will suck.)
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Buffy without Whedon? Are fucking kidding me??? Yeah, let's put it back in the hands of the asstards who nearly killed the concept the FIRST time!
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If you don't, cool. The thing is I really don't want to see Buffy messed with by someone who I really think will wreck it. If you don't understand why a Buffy fan may be upset about this, you're just not very smart. Dark Knight fans,imagine hearing Joel Schumacher is hired to replace Christopher Nolan for the next Batman film.
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*WHEDONBUFFY'S DICK BLOOD*
gottabe
just.fuckin.
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clench tight enough to pinch it off
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Do you seriously think Joss Whedon is the biggest hack in tv or are you just trying to hurt his feelings?
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Who can answer that question? I'm a huge Buffy-Angel fan, but Serenity truly was second rate, and I only watched Dollhouse until I realized it was a show about hookers (took me three weeks - yeah I'm a little slow sometimes), and not very interesting hookers, at that. I thought they were supposed to be spipes or something ...
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FUCK THIS! Thanks to Twilight, this is the slap in the face we get. FUCK TWILIGHT!
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Joss doesn't own the rights, and he never did. A screenwriter almost never owns his script - it is sold to the studio in perpetuity - that's the way it's always been, and Joss would have been in no position to negotiate that point at the time he sold the "Buffy" movie script. He needed the Kazuis to sign off on the TV Series, but they don't need anything from him. They might have to pay him something but they don't need his permission
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Whedon wasn't involved.
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"You're going to love this! Buffy moves to Seattle, Angel becomes all sparkly, and Spike turns out to be an Indian werewolf!".
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Don't they get that people loved the show because of Joss Whedon, the excellent writing and the cast? Why would anyone watch a movie w/o any of the people that made the TV show a success? Good luck with this brilliant idea.
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Hey, I like/love Firefly-Serenity, Astonishing X-Men and even dug on Dollhouse and got his Runaways run. But the freak-out of the Whedon freaks would be way too gat-damn awesome to ignore. And I'll buy two tickets, just for the entertainment value of the Whedon legion losing their minds.
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Loved trek and enjoyed many of the movies with the original cast. Loved the new trek movie.
But unlike trek - a movie with a new cast for Buffy is not the same. The actors - who are fresh in our minds from the long running TV series are not only all alive but they are all young enough to reprise their roles for the big screens.
The trek actors (some of whom have passed on) could not truly have continued in the same vein.
Had the original Star Trek the movie NOT been made with the original series actors IMO it would not have garnered the interest it did.
A legion of brassed off Buffy fans will protest and not allow their relations, friends or co-workers to go see this movie.
Buffy is NOT Firefly or Dollhouse.
Firefly was short lived on TV and while it had many fans - it didn't have the TV numbers or the Movie numbers to support the kind of profit the studios expect.
Dollhouse is new and finding its ground. I was not a fan of Firefly and I watch Dollhouse on occasion but it hasn't really hooked me. I only go back cause there isn't anything on on friday nights and on occasion I'm home.
Buffy on the other hand had a long and strong in the numbers - running series. 7 years, comic books, books, magazines, merchandise up the kazoo, internet fanfic second only to.. say it with me.. Star Trek. It really is huge. And even after 5-6 years off the air or so - it still has a strong and vocal following.. as evidence in this talkback and other places online.
Gutting the existence of the series so soon and re-imaging it is just a slap in the face to those loyal fans who - whatever you may think about the mass audience - WILL be the ones who are the core viewers or potential core viewers of this project.
And they will voice their opinion loudly - buy NOT buying tickets.
Variety or the Hollywood reporter - I can't remember which- wrote an article about the death of the WB. And they clearly stated that one of the main reasons was the huge fan backlash due to the cancellation of Angel. Buffy fans wanted the verse to continue and the spiteful execs at the WB tossed it even tho it was their only ratings riser that year. So fans united and left the WB in force. Now defunct WB was a result of fans who are mad, vengeful and unforgiving.
If they do this movie without Joss.. the Kuzuls and Studio will know that power. By the lack of ticket sales.
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If anyone saw the film, and read the script for Alien Resurrection, they are two different things. The script was way better, and it had more to do with how the Aliens sense fear in the victim. It's a good read, but the result was a mess. Even though it was A-OK, the film stunk.
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And Victoria Pratt should star. Both of these people are very talented(Xena) and out of work. I was not impressed by dollhouse. Sam Raimi or even J.J. Adams could direct for that matter. Anyways Vicky would a very cool choice to play Buffy. Just my opinion.
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If they did look at Twilight and True Blood and started beating off why would they think people would stand and cheer for this? Like a trailer will come out and people will go "Wasn't there a show called that?" Stupid make a move from the show so you at least have a base and not leave everyone scratching their heads.
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*poontangalicious*
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Seriously?
Are they seriously attempting to rape the Buffyverse just to capitalize on the Twilight craze?
Which, BTW, is a steaming pile of poo on its own, much less next to a witty, intelligent show like Buffy.
That being said, I have to throw a huge pile of happiness @ Joss for his wonderfully understated middle finger of a reply: "I hope it's cool." It's a nice way of saying, "sure, do your thing, earn your right to praise and success if you can, but you can't touch me or what I've done." It might be a "Buffy" movie, but it's not a Buffyverse movie. -
They can't obviously go that way with the next slayer after Buffy. So this will be the Never Say Never Again to TV-Buffy's Thunderball (and I guess the original movie is the Thunderball book) What do they think they have the rights to any way? The movie rights to just BVS or to BVS the TV-series? If they have the movie rights to just the concept or the Character of Buffy based on the first script and movie, they maybe can't use any character created for the TV-show? And those characters is what made the series work!
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has a good mythology
That said, I have zero interest in a non-Joss production
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May 26, 2009 9:08:55 PM CDT
This is the kind of headline that makes me love this site
by walrusholder
I pretty much just get on here for the talkbacks- something like this is like kicking a fire ant mound, keep on raging guys I love it. BTW this is really a terrible idea and anyone who thinks otherwise is freaking moron-
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This smells like T3/X3 all over again. BtVS was only good while its creator actually worked on it, and it was proven shite when he a) didn't have creative control (movie) and b) didn't care enough to work on the series (seasons 6 + 7). how on earth can anyone expect this to be a good idea.
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May 26, 2009 9:54:48 PM CDT
caruso_stalker 217....to answer your question if it was LOTR Osc
by jon3000
Yes...yes I would. With a FIERY vengeance. Look, if someone took your Mom and replaced her with a new, hotter, richer stranger and told you, "Here. THIS is your Mom now. The old one? We took her in the middle of the night from her comfy bed and threw her in an alley then beat, raped and shot her face up till it resembled spaghetti." Wouldn't you be a little pissed? That's kind of how this comes off to me and, I'm sure, some Buffy fans. I mean, we're not talking Daddy divorced and here's the step-mom...we're talking distant uncle called the hitman who birthed the Raping Of Your Childhood Evil. Sooo not the same.
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Whedon's Buffy was like a bad school play.
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Fuck Buffy
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If anything I'd love for Anthony Stewart Head and Joss to get this on tv even if it was just a mini series.
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As those guys who want to make a sequel to the first 'Stargate' movie and ignore 10 years of the longest-running sci-fi show in American tv history.
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buffy is a campy concept by its own nature... cheerleader is destined to become an almighty vampire slayer? either way, it just isn't that cool to begin with. I agree the TV show was decent, but like taylor made for teens.
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tailor made too.
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You better not buy two tickets to a non-Whedon Buffy film. That would make me and all the other Buffy fans super-angry! And you better not buy 100 tickets to it, because that would make us all super-extra-angry! And if you bought 1000 tickets, man, I can't even imagine how angry we'd be! So you better not do it, that's for sure!
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His script rocked. His design for the Newborn was awesome. If they used the design in Whedon's script instead of turning it into a birth defect, the ending would have been awesome (plus they should have kept Joss's Earth ending). Jeanet sucked as the director.
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is insane and happenstance, like that of a troll. ..."
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"A legion of brassed off Buffy fans will protest and not allow their relations, friends or co-workers to go see this movie." That is when you cross the line from fan to fanatic. You might as well sign up as a scientologist and get your theta waves read. Not only does it paint Buffy fans as psychos but there are plenty of people that will see it just out of spite. All the Buffy fans can lock up all their family members in the basement and guard them with a shotgun and it still wont stop the millions of 13 year old Twileens from seeing it. Again some of you grossly over estimate your numbers and impact on boxoffice. Star Trek was not a hit because of the trekkies and wouldnt have been a flop if they hated it.
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No Viewers!!!!
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You'd think you'd be used to it by now. And again, I don't disagree with your point about cult fandom making an impact at the box office. You just seem to focus on the some really irrelevant things to try and prove your point when it's not nessesary to do so.
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I don't know. My mom is getting old and could use an overhaul.
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I don't care for the LOTR pictures, nor do I think they are Oscar-worthy.
Beyond the technical shit, that is. Give me KING KONG any day.
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when he's in charge his stuff goes to plan. when the execs meddle it fucks up. why the fuck does joss still play ball with these fuckers then? seriously. if i kept getting fucked over, I'd seriously think is this worth it?
it's why i have no sympathy for dollhouse. you knew what was going to happen and you let it. if you're not allowed full control of it. let it go, don't open talks, don't become their advisor bitch. just fucking let it go. -
' you want me to trash your neck?'
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This is karma for never having a Supernatural talkback. Seeing your baby slapped around and commercialized for evil, corporate purposes. Just like Nero, I am going to leave you to witness the destruction of your home planet. Ha ha ha!
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Joss Whedon was developing that movie at Universal Studios several years ago and said that the script was finished and that it was ready to shoot, he was only debating as to whether he'd shoot it before Wonder Woman, or after that film's shooting schedule, well, Wonder Woman wasn't to be, so Goners should have been Joss' next film. He claimed that there were similarities to Buffy? So where is the movie "Goners", already?
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Swanson had a better bod than preggers TV 'Buffy' Gellar anyway.
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I'm going to see it. If Whedon free Buffy is a hit then Joss will get some cash. If it bombs I'm sure some of the money will still find it's way into Whedon's pockets.You know what would make a good movie? Supernatural. Two heroes journey through the heartland in a cool classic car hunting things and saving people.
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Goners is supossed to be out in 2011.Hes filming cabin in the woods now and with dollhouse coming back goners might not happen.
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Yeah, Whedon is the greatest writer in the history of writing and absolutely nothing he does is bad and if it were to be bad it's someone else's fault. When it's good it's his.
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A Whedonless Buffy is what you get, when you don't give the Supernatural viewers a season finale talkback.
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the soundtrack put the final nail in the coffin to the idea that emo rock was going to be the Next Big Thing, and most importantly it showed just how powerless the internet really is. "I'll tell all my family, friends and coworkers not to see this movie!" What? Are you that much of a deranged, creepy loser? Just how would that conversation even go? "Hey Bill, don't see that movie." "Uh, why not? It looks funny." "Yeah, but they didn't get this guy involved, so I don't support it." "What guy?" "Joss Whedon. From the TV show!" "Who? There was a TV show? Never talk to me again. No wonder everybody calls you weird."
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Oh...wait....yeah. I wasted a couple of hours of my life watching that yesterday !
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I wold want Joss at the helm, but I would not be against someone else with talent giving it a try. How about Rian Johnson? I'm not against a reinvention but give me a bone.
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for not supporting SN :D
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No, it wasn't. It was fucking garbage. Gotta love how Joss Whedon says the actors didn't say his piss poor dialogue lines right. Maybe if he had re-named the characters with cute names (Topher! Willow!) and had a character turn gay for no reason halfway through the movie...oh, and "The Body" was the most cliched melodramatic peice of shit to ever be shown on television. "I just don't understand WHYYYYYYYY!"
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you can't call that good. the movie was literally and figuratively an abortion. parts of the screened moments were signature whedon (space pirates, wheelchair dude and sadist survive), but there's no way in hell that was a good script. aliens on earth? seriously? look, the only way that might work is if humans aren't on the earth, because a premise for the xenomorph-human relations is that xenomorphs are uncontrollable. they infest, take over, and we run away with what's left of our skin dangling and tail between our legs. and hello! did anyone notice that ripley was yet another buffy clone? in fact, everything to do with ripley was an abomination. I don't care if he didn't originally plan for that character. there she is! the entire script is built around ripley and her "children." look, nobody's perfect. he's a phenomenal writer, but let's not deify quite yet, eh?
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First, I am a big Joss Whedon fan. That being said, I am not sure why some defend everything the guy has ever done. There was a few things I really liked about Alien 4, but overall a huge mess. Now, I will disagree with you on the body. Cliched? I have never,ever before seen anything like it before or after. I can certainly see where some people may not like Buffy (or may hate it), but there was nothing cliched at all about "The Body".
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enough said
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Maybe without Whedon Buffy can move beyond it's tiny cult status
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MESSI! MESSI! MESSI! Greatest player on the planet!
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My vote is for a FRAY movie as well.
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...to stop Twilight from ever being written/made into a movie.
It is the root of all evil. -
I hope their dick doesnt have shit on it
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Bring back the original cast from the Buffy movie, Luke Perry and all.
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They will not rry to make a good or successful movie. I doubt that the budget will even be impressive. Their only manuever here is to release a film, or films, into the marketplace...as an advertisement for DVD sales, in post. In other words, this is about gaining shelf space in stores and online next to, or nearby, pre-existing Buffy DVDs, from the old TV show, to the original movie. This is about fooling the consumer into buying, and or, renting this new film, thinking that they are getting something that is Whedon written...and approved, nothing more. It is a marketing bait and switch. Yes, it is only through the DVD market that they hope to make their money.
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SWANSON JUST SENT OUT AN UPDATE SAYING THAT HER DISTENDED PROLAPSED ASSHOLE IS FINALLY BACK IN PLACE AND THAT'S SHE'S TAKING ALL CUMMERS. I DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY SO ANY HELP WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
YES. CUMMERS. GET IT? -
and I hated every minute of it. Digusting and gross for the sake of it. awful.
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movie rocked. only quibble was the romulan vulcan stuff. Id didnt understand. But would pay money to see the shat in the next Star Trek 12 movie. Wonder why he wasnt involved. He seems very pissed off. Shat and Takei hate each other.
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your quote: "My mom is getting old and could use an overhaul." LOL, touche, it would be fine if the Buffy world got an overhaul and it became successful; might even be fun! My whole point was that is seems such a diss to a series I love so much to disregard it as if it WERE old (it's clearly not that old yet)...but maybe one day. Also, LOTR part deux won like 11 oscars or something...so why don't you consider it oscar worthy? Just curious. I think that it's one of the most impressively sweeping sagas in the history of cinema thematically and visually since Gone With The Wind or Citizen Kane...but that's just me (*ducks tomatoes really fast*) :)and oooh! I finally found someone who likes King Kong as much as I do! (wait, you do mean Peter Jackson's version, right?)
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I mean I think they're well-made and everything, but how many hours can you really watch Elijah Wood stare off in the distance?
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Buffy fans aren't going to see some junk that's completely divorced from what made the show the best show on television in the first place. Who knows, make it brain dead and action-packed to the point of absurdity and you might grab some of these AICN talkback crowd. They seem to have enjoyed Crank 2.
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They mostly cum at night, mostly.
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This is not the same situation as "Star Trek."
In Star Trek's situation, Paramount's "managers" of the franchise (Berman and Braga) had run the franchise into the ground, to the point that "Star Trek" was almost doomed. Fresh talent, in the form of J.J. Abrams, was brought in.
In this case, it's the "team" behind that *awful Buffy movie* that wants a go at the "relaunch." What everyone's forgetting is that the TV Buffyverse *is* the relaunch. This would be like Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich, who made a so-so movie about a gateway to another planet, wanting to do a relaunch of the more successful TV franchise known as "Stargate SG-1." -
I'VE REGISTERED WITH AICN PURELY TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE A COMPLETE CUNT.
KONG. OH, FOR FUCKS SAKE. -
with Whedon himself... "I Hope it's cool"
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When Hush and The Body and most of the other episodes he wrote and directed were better than 99.9% of television. Hell, better than 99.9% of movies. Buffy without Joss is like Star Wars without Lucas. Yeah, I said it.
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I loved the TV show and placed many a hotpocket wager on these very talkbacks but in my heart of hearts I always thought Kristy Swanson was a better Buffy in a really shitty movie. Let's see movie Buffy pushing 40 and still finding time to stake the bloodsuckers only this time make them actually scary. Even if they go for a full on remake and ditch Sunnydale, The Scoobies, Angel, Spike, Dru and The Helllmouth I wouldn't be so pissed. A third Buffyverse would work if they don't do a pale imitation of all the stuff they claim they're not gonna lift from the TV show. Basically it would only work if this new Buffy only fought Vampires. Vampires who're actually scary. They can keep the snappy dialogue in too as long as it's juxtaposed with tension and suspense. I honestly don't want to see a SMG/Sunnydale Buffy movie. Fox already tried this with X-Files and you saw how shitty that went.
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It's true. I spoke to him yesterday.
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Apparently yesterday Whedon was asked about this in an interview, but half way through giving his reply, the interview was cancelled.
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Earlier this morning there was a disturbance in the Whedon household when, half way through his morning shit, Joss was surprised to find that his toilet had been cancelled.
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