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Harry releases the review of the flaming turd he's clenched for 2 days: TERMINATOR SALVATION!
SPOILER ALERT !!
(Given every paper/site online has broken embargo. Here ya go)
It is a very rare thing for a film to shit squarely on my open and unexpecting eyes to such a degree that absolute hatred and loathing festers out of my every pore… but McG managed to do it with TERMINATOR SALVATION.
This is odd.
I’ve been wildly excited about this movie throughout production. I love the trailers, tv spots and the special internet trailer thing that wasn’t a clip like it said it was. I’ve been circling buying many of the toys – I’ve been thinking of picking up a couple of the SIDESHOW TOYS things they’ve been advertising on my site. I was so excited I even sent my wife into a 7-11 to get me a Slurpee cup for the TERMINATOR SALVATION movie.
But today, I began to get a tad nervous about seeing the film. I dug out my TERMINATOR Blu-Ray, my foreign T2 HD DVD and I thought about watching the last 15 minutes or so of Mostow’s. I put fresh batteries in my Stan Winston/ Terminator head that McG gave me at Butt-Numb-A-Thon… and I was going to tune my brain into the fevered state necessary for a new TERMINATOR film.
But as I held that TERMINATOR Blu-Ray… I sat it down and I didn’t put it in. I thought. You know, maybe that would be stacking the deck against McG. This is a beginning of a new series. I should just go in and let it play for me.
Yoko called me from work about 30 minutes before she got off and I was already annoyingly excited about the movie, demanding that she come home immediately so we could get to the theater. I wanted to be at the theater. I wanted to see the line of anxious fans. I wanted the excitement to envelope me. I feed on that kind of psychic geek energy. This is big summer movie energy.
But it was more than that.
I was 12 when THE TERMINATOR came out and thank God, my parents were the kind of awesome people that let me watch it. Now – that movie is all kinds of awesome greatness – but the thing that captured my imagination were those glimpses of the future mythology. The resistance. Purple lasers shooting & blowing the fuck out of robots. In a fearful world where anyone looking human could suddenly whip out a gun and start killing everyone. It scared the fuck out of me, but it fascinated me.
When TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY came out – I had purposefully stayed ignorant of everything about the film. I knew nothing. I was obsessive about seeing it – and I remember the giant ass line I stood in for the film. And while Robert Patrick was amazing with the help of ILM – I was left amazed by the brief glimpses of the future – that lone shot of a scarred John Connor with the binoculars. That reinforced the dream of John Connor and the Future War.
I’ve been dreaming and chatting about the “Future” for a long time. With Mostow’s TERMINATOR 3 – I loved the idea of a machine sent back to just ensure the preservation of Skynet and if it could take out the future leader of the resistance or key associates of the resistance… all the better. But I didn’t like the Termanatrix, but I really loved it when Connor found himself in that bunker – with radio messages coming in and he suddenly found himself exactly where he was always meant to be. This was how it began for John Connor. In this mountain, these weapons, these tools… this is where he began to build the resistance. So, while I didn’t like bits of the film or the antagonist… I didn’t feel betrayed or a sense of loathing for the film. But it was not either of the first two films.
This brings me to TERMINATOR SALVATION. An experience that I fucking loathed.
First off – the screen at the Gateway was warped slightly at the top and along the side. So not the theater I wanted to see this “hopefully” awesome film at.
But the screen didn’t cause me to hate the film. Nor was it the dispassionate audience that laughed mockingly at a few particularly awkward sub-ARMAGEDDON cutsie-poo scenes.
No.
TERMINATOR SALVATION is about accomplishing 3 things.
1st – John Connor has to meet his dad, Kyle Reese and hand him a photograph of his mommy.
2nd – John Connor must become the leader of the resistance.
3rd – John Connor must get his scar.
What causes TERMINATOR SALVATION to fail in a way that has all the power of a yawn?
Well, first off – nothing has any weight to it.
Christian Bale looks like he could give a shit about all of this. Somewhere while he was holed up in his mountain with his wife he has suddenly developed a slight British accent. Which just doesn’t feel right. I never buy that he loves his wife Kate Connor that is played by Bryce Dallas Howard – whose sole job in the film is to really open her eyes wide. (and I like Bryce, it’s just she’s given not one solid scene.)
But by incorporating a structure kinda like PEARL HARBOR and all big movies that leave their soul – to tell a lot of pieces of an overall epic story – this film doesn’t have a main character that we care about. And doesn't develop any of the characters we're left with.
The star of the film is Sam Worthington. He plays a Death Row inmate that is written terribly. His scenes with Helena Bonham Carter are so mind numbingly awful, that you will not be able to not stare with train wreck in your thoughts (especially the latter scenes). She hasn’t been this bad since Kenneth Branagh’s FRANKENSTEIN. But wow, she’s excruciatingly awful here.
Perhaps I should tell you the opening scene. We open with Sam’s Marcus sitting on his prison bed as a ridiculously awful looking Helena Bonham Carter comes out. She’s there to get Marcus to sign his body, post-execution, away. She tells him she can give him a second chance at life. Wouldn’t he want that? He tells her a sentence about how he killed his brother and some other men, he doesn’t deserve a second chance. She continues to go after his body and he agrees, but on the condition that she kiss him. Her lips are so sickly looking, and he kisses her by grabbing the back of her head and forcing her face into his suddenly. When he pulls away he says rather absurdly, “Now I know what Death tastes like!” – the line and the delivery were BAD! I’m talking the kind of bad that you repeat as a watermark of awfulness. It’s a shame that Nolan wasn’t the sole screenwriter here… but those guys from CATWOMAN and T3.
Anyway, Sam Worthington. He’s the star of Cameron’s AVATAR and the upcoming CLASH OF THE TITANS. McG gets nothing out of him. He’s got sad eyes for the entire film. Which fits his morose Death Row Inmate, who wakes up naked in mud in the wasteland of the apocalypse. I can see a performance in him, he’s got a great face and body for film – but McG really seems to have asked for nothing out of him. But he certainly doesn’t come out of this as a star.
His Marcus does come across a real performance though. Anton Yelchin’s the real deal folks. His CHARLIE BARTLETT was great. His Chekov was spot on in JJ’s STAR TREK, but his Kyle Reese. Man, I just wanted to spend time with him. He’s perfect. He’s playing Kyle as a young man trying to find a way to become a member of the resistance, but he can’t get his radio to even work.
When Worthington’s Marcus meets Yelchin’s Kyle – things seem to pick up ever so slightly, but then we get introduced to one of the many utterly worthless characters in this film. Kyle’s sidekick is this little girl with a perm and a beret – that says nothing, but seemingly is always on hand with the right prop at the right moment. She’s oh so adorably worthless in the film. When I first saw her, I thought – “Oh wow, this is going to be our Ferel Kid from the THE ROAD WARRIOR or Newt from ALIENS… a cute kid raised in the wake of Judgment Day – a mean little kid that kills robots. Nope. She’s just mute and delivers useful props in the film.
These two characters get picked up and taken to SkyNet in San Francisco – probably because SkyNet needed the most powerful computers in the world… which are probably ILM’s computers. Heh. But no, they don’t do anything that fucking cute. Sigh.
With Marcus no longer with a thoroughly interesting character like Yelchin’s Kyle Reese… he’s given the horrifying acting cohort of Moon Bloodgood as a downed Resistance pilot that goes into battle with Geisha makeup, even though she’s half Korean and not Japanese. If you hated “Animal Crackers” – wait till you see her cuddle scene. FUCKING AWFUL.
Shortly after this – we have Marcus’ machine reality blown – and he now has to escape the resistance in order to save Kyle Reese. His scenes with Christian Bale are dreadful. First off, there’s zero smartass or fun in this John Connor. Having been helped by one Terminator – well it doesn’t seem to have given him much insight into anything. And you can tell that Bale doesn’t give two shits about the first two films, or anyone that has done anything with the character before. Or how the character was described. He’s got his own take on the material and it is BORING, UNINVOLVING, and without a single iconic moment. His performance is FLAT, and this is an actor I love on film, but not this time.
Also in this travesty is COMMON playing BARNES. Apparently his brother died, he hates the machines. End of character. There’s also Michael Ironside as the leader of the resistance known as General Ashdown. He’s really got nothing to work with other than taking a bit of the piss out of the prophesized Savior John Connor. Whom he doesn’t believe in.
By the time Marcus Wright is infiltrating SKYNET helping John Connor to rescue Kyle Reese before the Resistance blows it all to hell… We’re in the midst of pointless action and nonsensical meaningless bullshit.
Somehow in this film – it is fairly fucking common knowledge that Kyle Reese is John Connor’s daddy. Somehow- even fucking SKYNET knows this. Now you might think – AH – so the tension is – they have to rescue Kyle before they scan and recognize him – somehow. Well, except SkyNet finds him pretty quickly – but decides to use him as bait. Instead of killing him, which would have resulted in SkyNet winning.
Ok – so then – through the most painfully excruciating sequence of the film – when Marcus is in Skynet and is trying to access the files on where Kyle Reese is… suddenly McG “nukes the fridge” by giving SkyNet a face. SkyNet is Helena Bonham Carter – the chemo lady that visits Marcus when he was on Death Row to get him to sign his body over to Cyberdyne. And through this really long and grotesque hand-holding monologue catching the painfully slow-witted Marcus up on what’s going on… well, it’s bad! Really bad! I’m talking, you want to look away from the screen cuz it’s fucking embarrassingly awful bad.
And if that wasn’t bad enough – she has to show off crazy nonsensical morphing capabilities to show how her face could be anyone’s in Marcus’ memory. And it feels like the scene will never end.
I’ll stop there and not go into the rest of the film – with the exception of Arnold’s scenes, which he had nothing to do with, other than a body cast that Stan Winston did on him years ago.
Charlie Gibson and his team at ILM did a stunning job, for the 3 shots they deliver of 1984 Arnie. There’s no dialogue. But it is cool. Although pointless. It did cause a momentary buzz of excitement in the theater. And this is really the only thing besides a few scenes of Anton Yelchin’s Kyle Reese that are even vaguely compelling in the film.
The action is dead because I don’t really care about the characters at all. I’m not emotionally on board for anyone other than Kyle. The effects work is top notch. But it really doesn’t matter.
The idea that McG made a John Connor adult leader story that makes John seem worthless is insulting. No character in the film gets the time to be anything. Even Anton’s Kyle Reese – as wonderful as it is – it’s there and gone, back for a bit, but ordered off screen. John’s fight with the Terminator is badly edited. In one scene you’ll see the Arnie bot throw John across a room hiting something metal that just folds up from the impact… then the next time you see John, he’s like a SWAT member, coolly and calmly checking his corners for bad guys.
Beaks asked me, “didn’t you love the Harvester sequence?” It has some nice action beats – but I didn’t care about it. It’s basically sub-ROAD WARRIOR stuff. And when I say that, I don’t mean slightly… One of the reason that amazing action sequence with the big semi worked is that George Miller built that character to be an icon, and he was.
I think that’s what really kills me about the film. I wanted to come away from this wanting to believe in John Connor. He’s the future’s EL CID. A man of legend, and sure – we’re not quite at that part of the story yet, but hell – John Connor was a bit of a badass as a teenage bastard in TERMINATOR 2. Here – he’s just a man that screams his dialogue and says everything through a headache.
As soon as you realize that Marcus is a MAN built into a robot – you can’t help but think of Peter Weller’s ROBOCOP – and how effortlessly human and heroic that character was. This film frustrates me, because this was supposed to be epic. This was supposed to be amazing. This was something I have wanted to see for a long goddamn time, and it’s a piece of shit that occasionally looks really good.
I’m astonished that anyone that loves the first two films could possibly vaguely give this film a pass. Yes, the craftsmen and the visual effects artists did their job, but the film just left me furious at it. At a professional level it is superior to WOLVERINE, but in WOLVERINE’s series – well… frankly the X-MEN movies can’t even begin to compare to how awesome the first two TERMINATOR films are. And TERMINATOR 3, is much better than X3. But in a way – I feel about this film, the way I do with Ratner’s X3.
In both cases, it feels like children playing with material of which they haven’t the slightest grasp of. They can’t conceive of what actually made the material great to begin with. To them, it’s the props, the hardware, the most rudimentary iconography. Not how the characters were LOVED by their creators. That the first TERMINATOR was a love story first and foremost. That the second TERMINATOR was a story about an overly protective mom and her son. This? This movie is about how he got that scar – and it isn’t Quint’s story about the tattoo removal, this is about the time a Terminator scratched my face. Seriously.
In the same way that Ratner let me down with the Phoenix saga, McG has let me down with the untold epic story of John Connor.
I know nothing I will say will stop you from seeing this film this weekend. The result will be a frustrating experience for many of you. Those of you that can divorce the myriad of conundrums regarding everything about this film. And really, how fucking stupid is Skynet? And is it self-aware of how stupid it is? At best, it is artificially average intelligence. At the very least, Skynet is obviously PC based.
I hate the film. Pure and simple. I loathe it. I hated it so much I didn’t want to see my friend’s faces afterwards. I just wanted to go home and vent. I really really hate this film. I hate how much effort so many great artists and technicians put into a film that’s this fucking bad. Ultimately its just shit moving, like a sewer pipe. I hate that there isn’t a sustained scene or sequence that I love as much as the best moment from TERMINATOR 3. I hate that when I left the theater I felt empty and let down. That I felt like writing a review like this instead of fucking dry humping a great TERMINATOR movie.
This feels like ALIEN RESURRECTION to me. Something that kills something wonderful for me. I’m no longer interested in Terminator. McG terminated my enthusiasm. I love the first two films. At least I’ll always have that. Fuck this movie.
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It's really not that bad. It's passable, competent, decent, etc but nothing that will blow anyone's mind. Go see it as a matinee. But Worthington SUCKS. At least in McG's hands. Hopefully he fares better under Cameron's wing.
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That's like expecting some stimulating repartee about Russian silent film with a guy named "Ogre."
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Predicatable really.....
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I'M STILL GOING TO SEE THIS LONG LIVE BALE.And I like T3
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Fuck you, Harry. You have exactly ZERO credibility as a movie critic. Your personal taste has been shown time and time again to be shit, and it's also common knowledge that you will suck a crappy movie's dick all day long if they give you enough trips to the set, memorabilia, etc.
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Terminator: Salvation is probably Oscar-worthy GENIUS.
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the moment McG was hired. James Cameron IS the Terminator series.
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Just Kidding....
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Welcome back, my man!
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Because he never hates anything; therefore something must be really, really amiss with this one or it took a giant dump on a classic film's heritage.
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Turdinator!
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Aren't worth my morning shits. Seriously, the guy liked Twilight! Any film that gives Harry promo items, a tag line, a tour, a used kleenex, he loves. If he has to see a film like the rest of use, he shits on it. Please refer to his drooling over the 'New Moon poster' from yesterday...
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It's not that I KNOW Terminator: Salvation is great or anything, it's just that Harry has seen fit to give some bad films blazingly positive reviews - he cried at last year's Indiana Jones, and he loved Stallone's laugh-a-thon, Rambo, and in fact, I believe that he gave Fired Up an incredibly positive review.....he's been doing this for the past couple years, and I wonder how and why he has suddenly pooped on McG's new film. I cannot be all that bad.....especially when a lot of reviews (though most are mixed) have generally ben positive.
And there are other films, too, that harry has saw fit to like, and I just don't see it, given the tastes he has spent the past twelve years defining on this site.
Sorry, Harry. Sorry for you terrible viewing experience, but something just seems off...and yea, I liked Star Trek, but come on, the shit the slight. Fun. But slight. -
I haven't read your review yet. But if you really didn't like the movie all I can say this:
You liked Twilight. If you liked that piece of shit, of couuurse you won't like Terminator. I will never trust any of your reviews ever again. -
Still gonna see it!
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...that was rough. Interesting read, Harry.Talkback is going to be intense on this one, too. I expect that we'll hear much woe and wailing from the Balebackers...
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"John Connor was a bit of a badass as a teenage bastard in TERMINATOR 2. Here – he’s just a man that screams his dialogue"
No Harry. He's not 'just a man'. He is Bale. And when he screams in your face it is like the light of a thousand suns. Praise him. -
Need I Say More
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Worth the waiting since it was announced yesterday :D
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Gaius, see my woe above.
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watch The Phantom Menace all those years ago.
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harry, you get so pissy pants about movies, and we all know the reason you either love or hate a movie is because of whatgoes on behind the scenes...let me guess they didn't give you a free bale standee so now you hate the film, your opinion is worthless and the internet community is on to you
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a god awful summer
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Was it professional?
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i still cant think of bale anymore with out thinking of his bale fisting reference in empire of the sun
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...great effects with zero likable characters and terrible dialogue?
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He seems to admit that most of it isn't totally awful (which is true), but hates it for its mediocrity. My biggest complaint is that there aren't any great moments in the film, and most of it falls flat. But there was nothing cringe-worthy, IMO, other than the TERRIBLE CGI Arnold. I have no idea how he thought THAT looked good but thought the rest of the film was shit. Yes, Bale is boring and the look of the film is overblown, but Yelchin is great, most of the special effects are great, and the pacing is relatively tight. Harry seems to hate it just because it wasn't what HE specifically wanted. The film plays it safe, but it's not a bad film. Just a bit... soft.
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Your woe is noted, sir. I do not envy your pain.
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is what they should rename any future releases of T1 and T2, so the masses don't confuse this tripe with the genuine article. Did any of you T4 supporters (you know who you are) REALLY think this dung could compete with Cameron's movies?!! Cameron is on a whole different planet to McGimp.Terminator died in 91. Maybe one day , just maybe, Cameron will come back to this series and retcon all this crap out of existence, and give us the REAL Terminator 3...
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I was thinking today about McG and how I should give him a chance... I knew the righters history for rubbish movies.
I was genuinely excited about this film.
What a great block buster season, first Star Trek now this... gutted
Am very much looking forward to MOON
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He is over exposed, has an over inflated ego and is over rated. No wonder this movie eats beetle shit.
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May 20, 2009 9:12:07 AM CDT
It's strange that despite Harry even mentions in this review...
by derlanghaarige
...that McG came to his birthday party and gave him a unique present, people are accusing him of being angry for not getting any presents.
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Actually - AICN did get a set visit. Interviews with cast. McG came to my birthday and gave me a terminator head from the film. McG calls me on my phone from time to time. No - he kissed my ass proper, but when it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there.
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Gaius, when it comes to Bale pain is so close to pleasure.
For some the idea of a character that screams his dialogue is scary. For me it is sacred.
I will cherish every scream as if our Lord were yelling in mine own face. -
Once again a gorgeous NIN trailer decieves.
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Harry, so McG took his dick over to Massa for a good cleaning?
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Say it with me now, it's not that hard. Its "Couldn't care less"!!!!!
If you could care less, it means you could actually care less!!! Damn it. -
Review rendered invalid.
So sad. I saved many of Harry's reviews into word files as he used to put a smile on my face with his, not childlike, but wonderfully excited reviews of movies. Now he's joined the hateful nerd brigade. -
" If you hated “Animal Crackers” – wait till you see her cuddle scene. FUCKING AWFUL."
I fucking hated that animal cracker scene in "Armageddon." -
so that I may sup a slurpee from a Terminator Salvation Cup!
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btw.
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May 20, 2009 9:16:18 AM CDT
Don´t be angry, there´s a Michael Gay movie waiting for you
by cuervojones
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May 20, 2009 9:16:45 AM CDT
I will cherish every scream as if our Lord were yelling in mine
by broseph
That made me lol.i just hope the best thing to come out of this movie isn't Bale's Now Legendary Rant
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Massawyrm eats shit up for breakfast
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You'll come crawling back when The Coen Brothers are on board for the next one!
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Terminator was always a road movie. That’s its basic concept. If you take that away, you would have to have a pretty good director to make something decent out of it. So what have we learnt Hollywood, yet again? Make some fracking original stuff instead of milking everything to death!
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and I did not like that film either.
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It's all about dick with this guy. I don't want to imagine any prick but my own and I am far from a prude. For shits and giggles try leaning your hyperbole toward a less repulsive route every now and then
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It's just "shit that moves" That literally sums it up perfectly. My biggest complaint about Transformers being so incredibly shitty is also echoed in your review for this, about all the incredible artists and visual effects people and all the money and talent and opportunity they had to make something great, and isntead they made something completely fucking worthless. That makes me more angry than if it was just a bad movie. It's the potential they consistently waste that makes you hate it even more. I understand that sentiment completely.
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Fuck Bale, fuck McG, and fuck this piece of shit right in its ear. You can't lose both Arnold and Cameron and expect this franchise to survive.
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The trailer didn't move me. I ain't going. The review makes me feel better about my decision.
Then again, I love Hugh Jackman and loathed "Van Helsing." Goes to show how tastes are like buttholes - everybody has one. -
Broseph, cheers bro. On the subject of DGDB I believe he is working 'professionally' right now without distractions. All will be revealed in time no doubt.
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Fuck. Makes sense I suppose, with the "Governor" and all.
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for fucks sake...is your ass out of that wheelchair yet?
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And now he's comparing a movie to sexual assault. What a pathetic little child. Someone ought to stick their dick down your throat and fuck-start your head, twattybollocks.
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can't wait for the 2nd one.
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Fuck the haters.
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I get it, man. These people would shit on your review no matter which way it leaned. It's what they do.
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It is literally one chase scene after another. Minimalist, empty, whatever. This is a disposable movie about the Terminator future war. Harry got that right - this should have been EPIC. I simply is not. A piece of fluff about the near fall of humanity.
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someone probably already said it, but it needs to be screamed repeatedly
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Conner in T2 is an annoying punk kid played by a novice actor who delivers his lines very unevenly. This review comes off as predictable, especially with all of the nostalgia bullshit preceding the actual review. This franchise is obviously going in a new direction and while I can't personally speak for the quality of that direction until I've seen the film, most of Harry's complaints seem rooted in his affinity for the past films, neither of which I think is the masterpiece he claims. Truth be told, the clips and trailers I’ve seen make this look like a hardcore sci-fi flick, something quite frankly Harry doesn’t seem to much like. Even assuming this film isn’t a slam dunk, this review comes off as the worst type of negative, over-the-top hyperbole written by a man who has endorsed such excrement as Daredevil and Godzilla. I guess I’ll know soon enough.
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Sorry, but that movie is fucking worthless also. In what way does that expand or further any aspect of the Alien storyline? If a film is unnecessary in every way, it sucks.
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That's pretty fucking bad, then. Terminator 3 was awful.
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bashing him for "no kickbacks" or whatever. Go see the film and be man enough to tell him how much he got right in that review. I did not loathe this like Harry did, but it was a big disappointment.
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It's strangely hysterical. I'll give McG this much, he is one fired-up sonofabitch. Their final exchange is hilarious.
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"...He plays a Death Row inmate that is written terribly." - funniest line I've read in a while.
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Now that's the real question.
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what did you REALLY think of the film?
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Harry, I remember your original TOMB RAIDER review when you concluded that it sucked but perhaps a sequel could improve matters.
TS has obviously been set-up as a trilogy - any comment on the potential for the next two films? -
May 20, 2009 9:23:52 AM CDT
Bale is a false God, REPENT sinners!
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
His foulness has even repelled the hairy red one!
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It was obvious, really. Last year's amazing line-up of films could only lead to a follow-up year of shit. I just hope "Up" gives us something to cheer about this Summer.
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will wait for Inglorious Basterds, a friend of mine saw this couple of nights ago and said it was abysmul, glad IB is getting great reviews.
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May 20, 2009 9:26:50 AM CDT
Harry said NUKE THE FRIDGE because he works for that website!
by creepythinman800
Look www.nukethefridge.com
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May 20, 2009 9:26:52 AM CDT
Harry said NUKE THE FRIDGE because he works for that website!
by creepythinman800
Look www.nukethefridge.com
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May 20, 2009 9:26:53 AM CDT
Harry said NUKE THE FRIDGE because he works for that website!
by creepythinman800
Look www.nukethefridge.com
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May 20, 2009 9:26:54 AM CDT
Harry said NUKE THE FRIDGE because he works for that website!
by creepythinman800
Look www.nukethefridge.com
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...best cinematography. Just to see how Christian Bale will react.
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I'll judge the film for myself, but jesus that was a painful review to read. Harry may have a spell-checker but someone please buy him a grammar-checker for Christmas...
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Remember, long time ago, MCG was almost CERTAIN it would be R, only the studio heads would think otherwise, right? Harry tried to tell them.
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The Action in the film was shot via SECOND UNIT, as McG wanted to concentrate on the important emoting and character building that is so evident throughout this travesty. At least according to a very good source.
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The losers from nukethefridge made me seriously laugh with their posts in this talkback!
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Oh fuck off. AR was a great story with great action and genuine humor. Two words: Ron Perlman. And it at least brought Ripley back to life in a cool new way, and it got the fucking xenomorphs to Earth to set up a potentially great mythology expanding film. Sadly the suits dropped the ball.
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May 20, 2009 9:29:56 AM CDT
Transmorphers with Bruce Boxleitner is better than the Balenator
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Bale has betrayed you. McG - well he is McG and can't be blamed because dude aint got no talent.
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I guess that was time well spent. After all, the biggest laugh in the movie is whenever Common opens his mouth to "act". Imagine what he would have been like without McG's guiding hand.
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That is one of the most boring fucking movies i have ever seen.i feel asleep in the theater watching it and i am by no means that theater sleeping guy.i finaly watch a trailer for part 2 And just shook my head and laughed thinking about that south park michael bay parody.That's not a movies it's just stuff blowing up
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Despite its restrictive TV budget, TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES was entertaining and one of the better sci-fi series out there these days. I was hoping that SALVATION was going to be a nice consolation prize for losing TSCC, but it sure sounds like there's not much to be hopeful about now.
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it must be great
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And really, this isn't his problem but ours, is that he likes stupid shit for stupid reasons. So he can like Twilight or FF2 or Van Helsing because of some geeky genre loyalty, but you have to remember where he's coming from when you read his reviews. This isn't a normal film site, this isn't like looking up a newspaper site to get a professional film review; this is Harry's geeky, terribly written, off the cuff opinion on film. Sometimes that opinion can line up with the majority of proper criticism, but more often than not you're going to end up with the bizarre sexual metaphors of a guy who simply loves film. People give him shit for liking shit movies, but if you lived and breathed film every day of your life like Harry does, I'm sure you'd be able to find something likeable in the absolute dreck he raves about as well.
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this might actually be ok!
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He out-acted that charisma-vacuum dullard Christian Bale, apparently, and also that utterly embarassing wet blanket who played Connor in T3, and who took the character a step back. Eddie, get off the drugs, and come back to acting, dude; you are a better actor than 'Lord' Bale!Also, Alien Resurretion sucked hairy balls. Cameron and Scott must rectify that series as well.
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but i defy any twat on this site who DOESNT GET how brilliant putting the city of lost children dude on an Alien film didnt result in some unique and cool sci-fi
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that's all we can know..
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WHAT EXACTLY IS A BRITTISH ACCENT? SO IS HE SCOTTISH? IS HE WELSH? IS HE ENGLISH? THERES NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT.its like saying, he had a european accent,doesnt exactly fuckin narrow it down does it?
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The friend I went with hated it as Harry does. It struck me as a movie that will probably make big bucks because shit blows up - a lot - but that misses most opportunities to be good/great. In all honesty, Ben Affleck could have been John Connor and it would have not made one bit of difference.
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pure hatred
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We'll see though. Maybe he's right. Gonna see it tomorrow.
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And it's (in part) because of your review. I mean, you liked Jar Jar and fucking Godzilla at some point. For you to tear into this means it's probably worse than I feared. And I didn't have much hope for it anyway.
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May 20, 2009 9:37:05 AM CDT
Monkey Butler - could you slurp that hairy red a little louder?
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
I'm sure some sherpa in Tibet didn't quite make it out
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I could never have guessed that the FOURTH installment of a franchise, put into production years too late with the sole motivation of making money, directed by a hack director with a stupid pretentious 3 letter name who only directed Charlies Angels films, is not GOOD? Whatever will I do? I mean the guy's name is "McG". Sort of like "McDonalds", no? The only directors that could have done this film justice are not interested in making a sequel to a sequel to a sequel.
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I started getting suspicious of Harry's reviews after he gushed about how the horror movie 'Hatchet' was the best horror movie in years...I saw that movie based solely on his review...it was probably the worst movie I ever saw in my life...I figured afterwards he was either getting paid or something else to give these excellent reviews...same goes with 'My Bloody Valentine 3D'
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"Ultimately its just shit moving, like a sewer pipe." Bah-zing!
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..to give him a chance. Never again it seems. Never again. McG has no artistic soul to tell a story. He just wants to do action and be cool and he can't even do THAT right it seems.
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wow....i am stunned by that quote
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thats because you have no soul..not the star trek film
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Had Dracula, Frankenstein, and three fucking Werewolves. For thhat reason alone, it will always have a special place in my heart.
Yes the story was retarded, but it did manage to include -
They help me lower my expectations so very far that the pain from the terrible film (for which I've already bought tickets) doesn't hurt as much.
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Cornish? Dorset? Bristol? Pompey? Brummie? Geordie? Cockney? Essex? East Anglian? Mancunian? Scouse? South Yorkshire? West Yorkshire? Home Counties? Oxford? South Wales? North Wales? Ulster? If Christian Bale does all of these in one movie, it would be fookin' ripper!
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Christian Bale NEEDS a good director of actors, if not, he's AWFUL. Like painfully bad on an almost Plan 9 level. Actually, he was awful in "Rescue Dawn", which is directed by Herzog, a great director of actors. So, truthfully, Christian Bale is mostly awful. When have you ever "connected" with any of the grumbly-voiced characters he's portrayed?
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Personally, it's a rental for me. I just wish someone like Chris Nolan, David Fincher, or Paul Greengrass had directed TS... with a script by J. Nolan or David Webb Peoples or hell, Alex Garland... someone better than the writers of Catwoman.
Roger Ebert slams T4 http://rogerebert.suntimes.com / --- 2 stars -- "I know with a certainty approaching dread that all of my questions will be explained to me in long detailed messages from "Terminator" experts. They also will charge me with not seeing the movie before I reviewed it. Believe me, I would have enjoyed traveling forward through time for two hours, starting just before I saw the movie. But in regard to the answers to my questions: You know what? I don't care."
Toronto Star slams T4 http://www.thestar.com/enterta inment - one and a half stars - "Terminator Salvation: It’s back, and it’s bad"
Globe and Mail slams T4 http://www.theglobeandmail.com /arts/ - two stars - "What its predecessors had, this sequel sorely lacks"
USA Today slams T4 http://www.usatoday.com/life/m ovies/reviews/2009-05-19-termi nator-salvation_N.htm -- "Bale is surprisingly one-dimensional as John Connor, the leader of the human Resistance movement whose destiny is linked to the future of mankind in this doomsday action franchise. He seems to be simply recycling his gravelly Dark Knight growl."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/19/ DD7V17N5G0.DTL - "McG is a director with an above-average eye and an original instinct for camera placement. To his credit, he's not one of those lazy types who think they can generate excitement in an action sequence by shaking the camera or kicking it. But he has a major weakness as a filmmaker, and that weakness is all over "Terminator Salvation": His grand, elaborate visual sense is completely detached from his brain"..."Whoever thought in 2003 that we'd look back on "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" as the good old days?" -
Monkey, on the flipside Harry also sometimes dislikes shit for stupid reasons.
Yesterday was a classic case in point where he had a problem with Pixars A BUG'S LIFE because, and I quote verbatim;
"the ants were not al ant colors"
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SunTzu77, there are half-a-dozen positive reviews for TS up at Rotten Tomatoes too.
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He's been doing the "I'm serious and stoic." schtick for quite a few films now. When was the last time he actually played a CHARACTER? American Psycho? Geesh.
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May 20, 2009 9:45:32 AM CDT
I doubt McG will be attending the next Birthday celebration.
by jackshephard
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has to be the bale rant. that shit will live on the net for the next 10 years.
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I think "Indy IV", "Fantastic Four 2","Twilight" are horrendous films that Harry loved.
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This review makes me sad. I really wanted this to be good because there are no "blockbuster" action movies out this summer I have any interest in seeing. Oh, well. What's coming out next Summer?
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May 20, 2009 9:47:11 AM CDT
What happens when McG didn't plan to have Connor in the movie
by d.vader
This. This is what happens when you have a director who isn't interested in the characters or the mythology. He's only interested in the action and effects. You get this shit. Its common knowledge that John Connor was never a real part of the early scripts and that McG planned to have him become a terminator and kill everyone includng Kyle Reese. Why? How does that serve the characters or reflect the story laid down in the first 3 films? It doesn't. It's just "kewl". Dammit McG, you're so fucking amateur. Like a damn 12 year old.
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Dude, you loved Twilight and I quote "it's sooo cool to be in love" and you hate Terminator?????
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Hated it when I saw it the first time, but then it grew on me and now it has a very special place in my heart. I agree that it is far away from the quality of the first two movies and feels more like a crazy ass big budget fan film, but holy shit, I enjoy the hell out of it!
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Here's a thought - everyone go see Trek again this weekend and help it attain "Ironman" money.
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It may be a fair guess that all of Bale's 'fire and brimstone' hissy fit was hurled at the 'light tweaker' due to the slow dawning reality that this film was wasn't clicking.
I'm also guessing this is not as bad as Harry says...but then again my hopes weren't nearly as high as his because 'no Cameron= no interest' in my book. T2 was the end of the line for me. I didn't have my head in the clouds over this one and would never plunk down the bread to see it.
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Dude, you loved Twilight and I quote "it's sooo cool to be in love" and you hate Terminator?????
DID WE SEE THE SAME TWILIGHT MOVIE???? The horrible baseball...the bad acting, Bella and her stupid heavy breathing??? Did you go in already hating it because Cameron wasn't atached to it???? Ugh, this site is my only hope for a good review....you just shit in my eyes... -
First off, a pre-release film review should not simply be a re-hash of the entire plot of the movie. Rather, kill about 75% of the words and tell us why you liked/hated it in broad strokes. For a while, I thought Harry simply had a hate-boner for Fox (following the Watchmen debacle, see his “Wolverine” review). While I'm glad he's finally criticizing movies rather than loving ever pile of crap he sees, there's an inherent flaw in his reviews. Harry likes movies based on his own experiences, rather than what the movie brings to the table. For instance, he loved "Fired Up" because he likes cheerleaders. He loved "Orange County" (yeah, I've a longtime reader) because he didn't get in to UT-Austin. That's like when people tell me I should love Steve Miller's "The Joker" because it reminds them of *their* high school days. Bottom line is this: Harry has every right to hate/love a movie. But when he's injecting himself into his reviews, it doesn't do readers any good.
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Harry you're a cool guy, I mean that, but how could this movie be any worse than Twilight?
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I think McG will be calling you today... once he reads the review, LOL.
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New York? Texas? Tennessee? Georgia? Minnesota? Chicago? Boston? New Orleans? Southern California? Connecticut? Hawaii? --What exactly is your point, British dickheads?
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The question is: WHY did you go see Twilight in the first place?
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..is an interesting evolution of the Ripley/Alien dynamic? Laugh at the White alien all you want, but at least they attempted to evolve this strange relationship Ripley has with her nemesis. I thought it was rather thought provoking. Especially with the Ripley clones and her killing her own baby at the end, never having had one of her own.
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Harry hates a movie! I was beginning to wonder if he just gave everything a pass.
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Because...They're Delicious
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the end is nigh...
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Wanna bet he already wrote the review?
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May 20, 2009 9:52:49 AM CDT
Its crazy to think Harry hated this but loved so many other bad
by knowthyself
It boggles the mind. T4 must be good.
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With the Sigourney clones and the pirates. That film had some memorable stuff in it.
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This Film Must Accomplish The Following...
What utter horseshit. There's no point in reading any of your future reviews. If you go into a film with a checklist and a pen then all you are is the QC guy at the plant with an unearned sense of self-importance. Do you truly love films anymore, or just use them to make everyone else think you're special? -
Couldn't get it yourself Harry? Already treating your wife like your mother eh? Tsk tsk tsk.
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What Americans mean by 'British' accent is the standard RADA-type London brogue. Give them a Geordie, Brummie, Scouse or Cornish accent and they need subtitiles.If it wasn't for Billy Connolly, they'd have no idea what you chaps were on about either...
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...Harry
To be immature is da bomb!
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Anybody who claims that deserves a Fucking Punch In The Face.the return of old school horror MY ASS
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Resurrection gets a bum rap. As does Alien 3. Honestly Harry, you love Twilight and hate this? I dunno sir.
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so what does Harry know? There is no chance in hell that Salvation is worse then some of the crap Harry liked better than chocolate covered pussy juice. The Teaser with Worthington realising he is a machine was better than anything in van Helsing, X3 or Cloverfield.
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Bale says he's English. He says himself that he was just born in Wales on account of his dad being in the RAF or something.
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So you're not going to see "1st – John Connor has to meet his dad, Kyle Reese and hand him a photograph of his mommy.
2nd – John Connor must become the leader of the resistance.
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hahah that would be funny.... best cinematography.
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He's a cockend and this proves it.
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That piece of shit Knowles not only stinks, he ain't worth it.
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"Well, except SkyNet finds him pretty quickly – but decides to use him as bait.Instead of killing him, which would have resulted in SkyNet winning." Blimey,that sounds annoying to watch and shows not very computer logic like on the part of Skynet ;>..
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Normally, Harry has to be taken with about two pounds of salt, but this time, he nailed it. The movie didn't anger me as much as it did him, but all of his points are 100% accurate.
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Sounds like Charles Gibson (2nd Unit) should have directed the entire thing.
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Harry now recognizes the threat...just a matter of time...
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...after watching the first two Cameron films. Personally, I liked the movie. Yeah, the character development left a lot to be desired, but I did NOT go into the film expecting anything on the level of Cameron's vision. However, Cameron ain't doing Terminator movies anymore. I am assuming Harry never saw the Sarah Conner Chronicles, as I haven't read him railing against their series finale - John Conner suddenly appearing in the future as a teenager, and no one knows who he is. I agree, Bale didn't bring it in this film, Worthington's Wright wasn't nearly as tragic as he should have been, and Helen Bonham Carter as MasterControl was pretty stupid. I thought the action was pretty interesting and certainly expanded the idea that the war against Skynet was taking place in other places besides Los Angeles. And the Harvester sequence reminded me alot of War of the Worlds, right down to the sound effects of the machine. But this movie is certainly not an unmitigated disaster - it's a fairly entertaining actioner that blows up a few things real good.
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Axiomatic.
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Nuff said.
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Nice try, but I wasn't sucking Harry's cock at all. I thought all the references to his shit-poor writing skills and his love of terrible movies would have made that obvious. But I guess you're just fucking dumber than he is.
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...Idiot McG.
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May 20, 2009 10:02:25 AM CDT
"Instead of killing him, which would have resulted in SkyNet win
by deathshrike
What? You think John Connor would have faded out of existence like Marty McFly in Back to the Future? Stupid.
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Alien Resurrection was a blast. Script by Joss Whedon. I thought it was smart, action-packed, and funny. "Like you never fucked a robot!" Line of the decade.
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May 20, 2009 10:03:05 AM CDT
Cloverfield - the invisible monster. Sucked!
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Harry might love movies, but so do most people on this site, that does not give anyone a free pass on taste though. And Harry has proven time and time again, that his taste is purely subjective - and bad.
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"In all honesty, Ben Affleck could have been John Connor and it would have not made one bit of difference." hahahhahahah :D
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That checklist, I believe, is what Harry was saying the filmmakers used as a checkpoint list when approaching this film, obviously throwing real character relationships out the window.
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Tell it like it is. The 10 or so clips that were posted here last week scared off of this film. After STAR TREK, I'm not going to slum it anymore.
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but drinking them us closer to putting a gun to your head if you're already morbidly obese AND in a wheelchair
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You really do,
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Get fucking Mad Max 4 rolling. That's where it's at. This Terminator shit was played at T3
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May 20, 2009 10:07:31 AM CDT
IGN Inglorius Basterds Review is up
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
http://tinyurl.com/oojxyk
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I was worried, but once this review was posted, all my fears have been eased.
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america is one country,britian isnt a country its a union of countrys,scotland england wales,so to say a british accent means fuck all.thats the point.BRITIAN DOES NOT MEAN ENGLISH.
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May 20, 2009 10:08:56 AM CDT
Monkey Butler - nice try at the weasel
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
But your own words hang you "People give him shit for liking shit movies, but if you lived and breathed film every day of your life like Harry does, I'm sure you'd be able to find something likeable in the absolute dreck he raves about as well." Really? So just because he watches a ton of shit- and enjoys it, we should give him a pass on that because, he has watched a ton of shit and enjoyed it? Yeah, better go rethink that one hoss.
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May 20, 2009 10:09:10 AM CDT
IGN Inglorius Basterds Review is up
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
http://tinyurl.com/oojxyk
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May 20, 2009 10:09:11 AM CDT
IGN Inglorius Basterds Review is up
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
http://tinyurl.com/oojxyk
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Those are the reviews released today thus far.... I'm going down the list of the "top critics" in an attempt to locate their reviews. They've been negative... I can give you their e-mail if you feel it's unfair.
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It feels like every Summer Blockbuster Action movie this year didn't have any money in their budget to write a decent script (yes, I'm including Star Trek in this. Even though I enjoyed it greatly. Kirk is marooned on Planet Coincidence that has a monster, then a bigger monster, then Spock Prime, who explains the whole plot to Kirk, then Scotty, who helps him beam back on the Enterprise.) Also, I am very worried about this movie because of Harry's review. One thing that's easy to do in a movie is to get Harry Knowles emotionally involved. He forgives a lot and often fills entire backstories in his head for the most cliched and flimsily written and acted characters if he's given the slightest reason to become emotionally involved in a film. I've seen it a million times. So the fact that T4 failed to emotionally involve Harry in any way does not bode well for this film to me.
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Did you really think that this McDonalds representative was going to do something good with serious material?
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Mcfuckingimp directed it. What did you expect?
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Harry posts a bad review. Is the apocalypse upon us?
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have yet to be posted to RT yet...the "top critics"
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I'm with you on T1, T2 and even T3.
Transformers was shit and Resurrection did kill the series. I actually enjoyed Twiligh as well. I'm defnitely not going to see this.
It's depressing how they've fucked up this opportunity. This was the moment when Terminator fans were finally going to see the future play out. They spent millions of dollars, yet they couldn't get a competent director who could get hold of an engaging story with cool characters. Typical -
Come on guys, Harry's been dying since Day 1 of this production for this day...all so he could shit out this 'review' and bash McG and tell us " I TOLD YOU GUYS ! " Fucking pathetic. Harry hates T4, really? You guys know of the shitty, and I mean SHITTY movies that he likes, right? Yeah
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Bale did an interview this summer in which he retells a conversation with Aaron Eckhart in which Aaron asks how it was working on the Terminator film... the answer was basically... this review. And when he lost his shit on set... it seemed to me that he had a pretty good reason for being pissed... it wasn't the lights... the lights were the straw that broke the camels back. Oh well. I'll watch it for the pretty visuals. I guess I have to wait for Harry Potter for a decent summer film. Maybe Raimi's film will deliver.
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A McG movie sucks. Who woulda thought?
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THOSE PLACES U NAMED R ALL IN ENGLAND,SO THAT WOULD BE AN ENGLISH ACCENT U MEAN.SCOTLAND ENGLAND AND WALES R SEPERATE COUNTRYS INCASE U DONT KNOW.
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You're bashing this film for not living up to the past movies standards... yet you truly loved Indy 4? A movie that literally butt fucked everything Indiana Jones stood for? Oh fuck off Harry. This film can't be anything near the unwatchable pile of shit that is The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Do you do any serious drugs? ... You must...
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But this review is coming from the man who loved The Matrix Reloaded. I'll take my chances with Terminator, thank you.
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I remember that film being a lot of fun? I own it I should probably watch it again.
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For those of us who read the script there's going to be a perverse pleasure watching all these critics bite into this particular turd sandwich...
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Seriously. That dreck was so fucking unwatchable and absolutely tarnished the Golden Ark that was Indiana Jones. Wow, Harry. Just wow.
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response: Fuck off asshole
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I did not read script. Is it really that bad?
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even with unpopular opinion. This scares me.
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Remember?
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Disheartening to hear from so many places that this movie isn't any good, I was looking forward to it. Sad thing is, I'll still probably plunk down my hard earned cash to see it regardless (which I did NOT do for Wolverine).
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Nothing is going to ever match or top the movies we saw from our childhood. I'm not even expecting this to be as good as the first two movies. I just hope its better than T3...I also wonder if this is better or worse than Sarah Connor Chronicles (cause that was a LOT better than I expected)...
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Lay off the white lightning mate.
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May 20, 2009 10:28:21 AM CDT
It's also disheartening to know he positively reviewed Twinkligh
by turketron_2
and Kingdom of the Crystal Skullfuck. Whatever.
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I thought the previews looked like seriously dull & noisy shit, but now I want to get a good laugh at the ham-handed character moments that Harry describes. I was cracking up while reading this review. The emoting probably would have been better if that fuckin' DP hadn't been screwing with the lights so much. How can anyone take a director who calls himself "McG" seriously? Everything that needed to be said was said in the first two films, much like that other franchise with Cameron's fingerprints on it (although, not unlike Harry, I do admire T3 for going for the downbeat ending). And I love the TBers calling out Harry for other positive reviews. Sure, he likes movies I don't from time to time (Eagle Eye, what garbage), but why are you still reading?
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I'm from the Chicago area here in the states, and honestly...unless it's like real distinct, all ya'll sound alike.
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You really should have reviewed it earlier, maybe even killed it fromt he script like you did with his Superman. Honestly, what didnt he do for you(or to you) that Lucas, Wachowski, Bay, Cohens, Speilberg and even Cameron did? Did he say that Ratner's cum tasted like yours but sweeter and you got really mad and ate a horse?
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AND WHATS WRONG WITH WHITE LIGHTNING?
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Indiana Jones 4, Die Hard 4, Aliens 4, Superman 4, Lethal Weapon 4, Batman 4. Part four usually adds up to "ENOUGH ALREADY!"
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May 20, 2009 10:30:02 AM CDT
I simply cannot trust Terminator fans for a good review.
by cotton mcknight
The things I like about the series, you all hate. The things I dislike about the series, you love. For example, I LOVED Terminator 2 when it came out- I was 16 years old. In the years since, however, I have realized how ridiculous the movie was, with it's corny acting and weak plot. The rest of you, however, still have the rose colored glasses on, and it's has the same impact it had on me when I was a teenager. Maybe it's the name "Cameron" that has everyone loyal to the movie. Maybe it's the wow special effects. And to be sure, the effects ARE great and Robert Patrick in particular excels. But I honestly think you are giving the movie more credit than it deserves. Then T3 came around. I didn't even watch it during its initial run- I caught it at a dollar theater in late September. Even then, I missed the first 5 minutes. I wasn't expecting much at all. What I found out though was this was a very solid movie. Sure the acting was kind of dopey and there were certainly some cheesy scenes, but I can't really complain all that much because at the end of the day, it made me a fan of The Terminator franchise again. It tied up VERY obvious plot holes that T2 created, and it had the balls to do what Cameron didn't have the guts to do- give us judgment day. Ltner than the special effects, T2 is absolutely forgettable. It's a cop out movie. Arnold had to be the good guy because he was a big star at that point and nobody would have liked it if he was the villain. Plus, we got a wishy washy happy ending. The only thing that happened was John Connor's toy robot errr father figure melted. Boo hoo. So yeah, I will take these reviews with a grain of salt.
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TS is much better than the vampy twatfest. I mean, let's be serious here, TS s a mostly empty can of coke, but it still tastes better than douchewater. To my palate anyway.
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Written like a fanboy in love who just got his heart broken.
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Please tell us if you do. I'd love to hear that idiots excuses.
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I can't think of too many movies that Harry has actually seen and disliked that I have ended up liking. I've seen lots of stuff he's liked that I thought sucked, but . . . I take this is a bad sign. May or may not see it in the theater. I dunno.
Star Trek rocked, even with its flaws, so I suppose I'm satisfied. At least there was one summer film that really did it for me.
And I have nothing against McG. I really liked the Charlie's Angels films, and We Are Marshall. I just take Harry's hyper-negative review as a bad sign.Even the people saying Harry's reviews are worthless are talking about all the crappy movies Harry has liked--not the great movies he's dissed. Because, generally, if he doesn't like a movie, there are problems.
Of course, I liked Ratner's X3 pretty well, and Harry hated that, but, even then, I understand why Harry hated it. So, likely, at best, I might mildly enjoy Salvation, while understanding why Harry thought it was godawful. Which is not a good sign for another entry in the rapidly decaying Terminator franchise. -
IGNORANT FUCKIN YANK
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I'm not sure why the guys above have got bees in their bonnets about it, but I have to tell you, all of those accents above are VERY ditinct from each other.
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Wow Harry. If nothing else you've made me want to watch T1 and T2 before I see it. But I'm in no rush to see T4 anymore. The only reason I was going to see this was for Bale and it's a damn fine shame if he's phoned this in.
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Oh yes. Longwinded, dull, and pointless. And silly. QT has literally lost the plot.
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Make sure that answering machine records everything.
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No worse than Last Crusade. Enjoyable, not bad a movie by itself really, just incapable of invoking the magic of sitting in a theater and watching Raiders of the Lost Ark for the 4th time back in the 80s, or Temple of Doom (which I always loved, except for Kate Capshaw). But Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was a work of fine art, compared to, say, The Phantom Menace. But Van Helsing was just tedious. How Harry can worry about bad dialog and wooden acting and terrible plot beats in Salvation and have loved Van Helsing, I do not know. But, generally, when he doesn't like something, I always find there's a good reason.
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Cuz that is what you get. And not much else. I really like the first 30 min or so. Them Optimus Prime wages war on a gas station and the Lord Humungus tries to tame the wasteland by unleashing his dogs of war. When you see this, you will smile whilst remembering superior films it lifts from. McG is no hack, he is an "homage" expert!
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"I'm a goddamned artist!"If Christian shows up at your door with a baseball bat or dressed up like a yuppie, ala American Psycho, don't open the door, Harry! Don't open the door!
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Our states are bigger than you're countries. Shut the fuck up.
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I am so used to coming here and bashing Harry's goo coated love fest reviews that I am shocked by what seems a very honest review.
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Commodore Sixty-Four says 'hi'. Same with Timex Sinclair.
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I was never excited about this and im glad.When I go see it this week ill expect Fast and Furious.
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U DUMB CUNT,THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITISH ACCENT,BRITIAN IS A UNION OF 3 COUNTRYS,SCOTLAND IRELAND WALES.UK IS BRITIAN PLUS NORTHERN IRELAND,WHAT DONT U FUCKIN UNDERSTAND U THICK CUNT.OH AND TERRY IRELAND ISNT IN BRITIAN U FUCKIN KNUCKLE DRAGGING CUNT.
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is great, but there's too much dumb shit in it. Eddie Furlong sucked, & jokes really don't belong in a movie about Terminators. T1 was fucking bleak, & it rules. The "jokes" in the beginning of T1, namely the interactions with Sarah's roommates, aren't really jokes; they're underscored by the impending doom, & the characters don't know better. In T2, they're cracking jokes right after a glob of mimetic polyalloy tried to run down John Connor with a big rig. Keep your jokes out of my apocalypse!
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Terry Crews as a dead guy. THAT'S WHAT I'M FUCKING TALKING ABOUT!!! BRAWNDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cool! Coleco Adam and I were talking about those guys just the other say. Been a while...
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i seriously can't wait to see this film, and hearing that harry hated it only makes it that much more enticing to see. he's like that newspaper critic that you always read cause you know when he gives a bad review it's a must see film, and when he loves it you avoid it like the plague.
but am i expecting this to be the greatest film of all time? no, not at all. i know this won't be comparable to the first two films, but i'm okay with that. this time it looks like we're in the future with the war going on, that's what i want to see, lots of action. i've been waiting to see the resistence war since i was a kid seeing the opening sequence of terminator 1, and now it's here. let them tie all the other loose ends in terminator 5, but let's just see what the resistence can do in terminator salvation. -
END OF FUCKING POINT.
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Harry, I thought Bale would trash your lights if you didn't praise this one to heaven! But thanks for the honest review.
...personally, I blame Til Schweiger. Anything he's in ends up being total crap. Check out IMDB and you'll see I'm right. -
Thanks, Harry - with that statement alone, you have saved me $10.
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Shit. They should have gotten Martin Short. It would have been a better performance. Or anybody. The Terminatrix was bad enough, but Nick Stahl? As John Connor? Seriously? They could have gotten Tyler Perry to play Sarah Connor, and the terrible casting would have been complete.Nothing against Nick Stahl. I like Paul Giamatti, too, and, frankly, he would have also been a better choice to play John Connor.
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That this McG is responsible for "Charlie's Angels," which is in my book one of the very worst films ever made. Just thinking about that shit makes me angry. Yet it made money, and some here no doubt liked it, Harry included (I remember something about a "magical swirling ass"). There's no accounting for taste, except in AICN Talkback, where you ARE in fact accountable for everything you've ever liked or hated, I guess.
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That's why I made the American comparison, guys. We may be one big country but we have vastly different accents depending on region, and you "Brits" never seem able to discern the variations either. All your best actors put their voices up in their noses in this generic way when they want to play American, it's fucking annoying. So it goes both ways, pals.
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I have a TRS-80 Color Computer in my attic. It's waiting. Just waiting.When it's time comes, vengeance shall be wrought upon Radio Shack! Skynet, shmynet.
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I'm not defending scotsman75, mainly 'cause I couldn't give a fuck whether or not someone calls it a British accent.
Having said that, I've spent a fair amount of time over there, & while you're right about your states (in some cases) being bigger, you don't have quite so many accents & most importantly, dialects as we do.
The problem is, in films etc, they're tidied up & homogenised/de-regionalised. But I understand that, which is why I don't capitalise my posts, because I don't really care. -
The more I read the talkback, the more outraged I become. That was the very definition of a hollywood movie! They took something that was truly unique and wonderful, and turned it into this homogenized piece of crap. Yeah yeah, it had an R rating and there was a lot of blood. But look at the facts- they turned the terminator, which was in the running for the most terrifying villain in motion picture history, and turned him into a coddling daddy figure. Ha ha, look at the emasculated death machine learn funny phrases! Ugh. And if THAT weren't bad enough, there is a paint-by-numbers ending in a factory with a bunch of vats of molten metal. Oh and don't forget that the T 1000 justsohappened to be driving a truck full of liquid nitrogen, which made him freeze when it exploded. And to top it off, judgment day was averted! Good grief. At the end of the day, that movie is nothing more than a 2 hour ILM demo reel. Oh and a launching pad for a really cool theme park ride.
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I've been to the American south. I don't recommend calling 90% of he population there "Yanks". It is akin to calling a Scotsman an Englishman.
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also- the review didn't seem that specifically hateful. kind of just 'removed'from the whole thing- which is an understandable movie experience but i had the feeling that something else was on your mind like the warped screen or a flat coke or that the movie just wasn't what has been in your head for years. so when you end with a statement that is basically 'i hated it and you should too'- i have to not take the review seriously.
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ALL YOUR STATES R IN ONE COUNTRY,BRITIAN IS A UNION OF 3 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES,DONT U GET IT.IF HIS ACCENT WAS ENGLISH THEN ITS ENGLISH,IF ITS SCOTTISH ITS SCOTTISH,IF ITS WELSH ITS WELSH,WHY SAY BRITTISH,THEN NO ONE KNOWS WHAT COUNTRY U MEAN,ILL SAY AGAIN,BRITISH DOESNT MEAN ENGLAND,IT MEANS UNION OF 3 COUNTRYS,SCOTLAND ENGLAND AND WALES.WHY CANT U UNDERSTAND THAT.
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Don't know that means anything. Good action movie, lot of fun, great to see the Terminator come back and so on. Really, no place for the series to go after 2, and T3 and T4 tend to prove the point.Interestingly, I experienced Terminator and Aliens the same way--with no expectations. Really, no awareness. Happened to come on HBO, I started watching it, and became overwhelmed with the awesomeness I was watching.I don't think that would happen with Salvation, even if I had no idea it existed until it started to unspool in front of me.
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I'm not complaining about it. I honestly don't give a shit about it.
Frankly, it doesn't matter which of those types of British accents are used, they're still British, because they're from the British Isles, therefore I don't see the harm in calling it a British accent.Scotsman75 does, because he's Scottish & they get pissed off when English & British are referred to as the same thing. -
SCOTLAND AND ENGLAND ARE NOT THE SAME COUNTRY.ALL YOUR STATES R IN ONE COUNTRY,THEREFORE YOU ALL HAVE AMERICAN ACCENT.DONT U GET IT,BRITIAN IS NOT A COUNTRY.SCOTLAND WALES AND ENGLAND HAVE ALL BEEN AROUND HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE BRITIAN WAS EVEN FORMED.
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I remember Cameron saying the direction he took with Aliens was purposely different than what Ridley Scott did with Alien because Ridley made the best horror movie possible in that universe so cameron made an action picture.
The Terminator was a low-budget, story-driven gem and to try to replicate it would have been folly. Hence T2 with the huge action and goofy humor (and I'm a fan). But I wish he'd had the budget (or courage?) to make a proper future war film. Because one has not been made yet. -
Finally watched that joke of a movie in a mandatory viewing with my GF. Anyone that likes that movie licks dicks. God help me if TS is as bad.
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Harry is the most forgiving film reviewer online. If he says your movie sucks then it must really be turd. ROTF bitches. And fuck Christian Bale.
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THATS BECAUSE ENGLAND AND BRITIAN ISNT THE SAME THING.THAT SLIKE ME SAYING USA AND CANADA R THE SAME
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i made it to that point and almost gave up - if it wasnt for the title declaring the film a turd (which is what i suspected) then i wouldnt have read any further.
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You're not really helping your cause by capitalising everything mate. It just makes you seem confrontational.
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Sounds like a bad joke.
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This sounds as bad as Dark Knight!
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Please try to understand that Southerners don't like to be called "Yanks". That term has connotations going back to the US Civil War and is a term used to describe Northerers and Norther forces. Those wounds run deep, and your lack of sensitivity about that trumps your indignation about British vs. Englis accents. Fair Play?
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Someone tell Scotsman what decaffeinated coffee is.
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which is more than cameron ever stuck around for long enough to do. he couldn't even commit to giving us a future war. instead wanted to give us titanic and other totally un-terminator things and try to get the taste of terminator out of his mouth after his wife left him for a chick. Now McG picks up the peices and gives us a future war and you guys still aren't happy. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE WHAT'S IN YOUR HEAD.
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...but just because you name your site after a pop culture reference, doesn't mean that anytime anyone mentions said reference, they're refering to your site.
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I GIVE UP,THEY JUST DONT GET IT
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lol... you know what, that's exactly right! :-)
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THERE. PROBLEM SOLVED. MOVE ON.
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For explaining things reasonably, I appreciate it.
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Fuck this guy.
This movie looks like it's gonna rule! And I don't understand what the hell is the problem with Terminator 3? It wasn't THAT bad.
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...we just dont give a shit about the lowest of the low.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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I registered today just to post in this to tell Harry what a self important prick he comes across as. You review movies, if it wasnt for guys like McG, youd have no frigging job. You dont like it? Fine. No need to be as foul as you were in this review. It makes you sound petty and from the look of responses, people have very little respect for your views anymore. Stick to NEWS. Your reviews are a joke anymore.
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ILL FIND OUT IF BALE WAS SPEAKING WITH A WELSH,SCOTTISH OR ENGLISH ACCENT.
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100% agreement. Well put.
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May 20, 2009 10:56:54 AM CDT
I think Bale uses the British accent in TS. Yes, I'm sure now.
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or shrek...in my head.
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Jesus christ. I have to wonder about your judgement after that statement. I figured T4 would suck as soon as I saw the Robocop element. To me, that's just like the human-alien hybrid from Resurrection... it's the creatively bankrupt person's idea of a "new direction."
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ID LOVE TO HEAR ONE
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If this is your biggest problem today, then life is good.
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Ever heard of Northern ireland...and your saying americans dont know geography
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Learn how to SPELL British, if you want to attack somebody's education, okay?
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CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A SCOTTISH ACCENT.FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT
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& Scotsman..chill out. Relax. It's not the end of the world. I'm from the North East of England originally, you don't hear me complaining about being called British, even though it means I'm lumped in with you skirt wearing fellas:-).
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NORTHERN IRELAND IS IN THE UK.BRITIAN IS SCOTLAND WALES AND ENGLAND,UNITED KINGDOM IS NORTHERN IRELAND PLUS THE BRITTISH ISLES,AND YOUR POINT IS WHAT EXCACTLY?
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"There's Ireland! There's Scotland! And there's the bloody sea! Na get da fook out!!!"
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..everyone else is being sarcastic or ironic...chill the fuck out
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"Yoko called me from work about 30 minutes before she got off and I was already annoyingly excited about the movie, demanding that she come home immediately so she could wipe my ass and change my diaper so we could get to the theater." lol....Harry said "nukes the fridge."
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"I was so excited I even sent my wife into a 7-11 to get me a Slurpee cup."
Aren't you EVER embarrassed?
And who is Yoko? How could anyone put up with getting off of work and getting calls from their husband to come get picked up like a little kid?
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT,AS BRITIAN IS NOT A COUNTRY,IT IS THE NAME FOR 3 UNITED COUNTRYS EACH WITH THERE OWN CULTURES AND LANGUAGES
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Before she got off too. Yep, I can bring her off in 30 mins with nothing but my silky smooth British accent;-).
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Alien Resurrection is just awful in terms of tone and dialog, with one of the worst endings in a big-budget Hollywood movie. The setting and art direction are good enough that I still watch it every few years for the art direction. It's not that bad if you skip to the credits right at the moment where clone Ripley (groan) is pulled into the floor. Just pretend everyone dies and it's sort of like one of the Dark Horse miniseries.
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ello! ahm an ambiguously white chap from any non specific area of the united kingdom. my girl is a rather plain and sturdy girl with a crooked nose who is into 'dogging', and we both wear huge itchy sweaters and eat things other countries throw away.i often get upset when people confuse me from being from another country in the UK, even if our countries are so close together and not even as big as some 'states' in other countries and we are all basically very pasty and anglo-saxon in stock. good day! pip pip cheerio throw a haggis on the barbie erin go bragh top o the mornin' to ya matey!
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Harry still has it in him to spew venomous hatred towards a movie that deserves it. I have hope for the future.
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MAYBE IF I USE ALL CAPS YOU'LL START PAYING ATTENTION AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE . FUCKING . GET . IT !!!!
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I feel your pain brother. It is like banging your head against a brick wall with some of these numpties.
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Nick Stahl. That, and the pacing was bleh.I loved Matrix Reloaded. Except for the soul train scene. But it wasn't like they had re-cast Nick Stahl as Morpheus. Matrix Revolutions was a bit of a letdown, by comparison (except for the big battle sequences). Lots of great stuff in Matrix Reloaded, tho.
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just ribbing you there, scotsman.
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"IF IT'S NOT SCOTTISH, IT'S CRAP!!"
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I'm putting together a remake of Mary Poppins. I know just thr role for you!
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you're bound to be dumped back down to earth. seriously, they should have given McG transformers and left this to someone who doesn't produce the PUSSYCAT DOLLS show. i mean for FUCK'S sake. CHARLIE'S ANGELS and the PUSSYCAT DOLLS??
some shithead producer does NOT know who their audience is and NOBODY rates christian bale seriously. it's so obvious. he always pulls that corny yankee accent that even us Brits can tell doesn't sound right. It's like he has ten extra teeth in his mouth crowding the back of his tongue. He sounds stupid and resultantly can't help but pull that spoilt brat "i don't think so" face when he delivers EVERY SINGLE LINE. ah, god bless you AICN for giving me this ventile. god bless you talkbackers for reading it. God bless you trolls, too, for whatever you have to say about it. which i will never read. -
Movie still rocks my socks even after 18 years.
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the whole premise of the terminatrix. she could control machines but all she really does is remote control some cars. scary! saw that in maximum overdrive. everything arnie says is shit.clare danes who i am usually hot for came off as a shrieking hag. and when the crane hook gets caught in the manhole with perfect precision and then begins to RIP UP a bugs bunny path in the asphalt...yeah...those are just a handful of the things wrong with T3. however i too did like the ending.
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May 20, 2009 11:13:04 AM CDT
Speaking of accents. What's an American accent sound like?
by johnnyangel
When Brits do an American accent they just get all nasally. WTF? Who talks like that?
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ha ha oh my god you're right!
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I feel like I just encouraged people to watch Alien: Resurrection. Don't. It sucks. But if you're like me and for some reason are compelled to watch it from time to time, remember to turn it off when Ripley goes through that floor, unless you want to see scenes so stupid and sacrimonious that you just have to shit your pants in protest.
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Why the fuck am I commenting here anyway.
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"Picture the scene: The other fuckin' week there, doin' the fuckin' Volley with Tommy, playing pool. I'm playing like Paul Fuckin' Newman by the way. Givin' the boy here the tannin' of a lifetime. So it comes to there, during the last shot, the deciding ball of the whole tournament. I'm on the black and he's sittin' in the corner looking all fuckin' biscuit-arsed. When this hard cunt comes in. Obviously fuckin' fancied himself, like. Starts staring at me. Lookin' at me, right fuckin' at me, as if to say, "Come ahead, square go." You ken me, I'm not the type of cunt that goes looking for fuckin' bother, like, but at the end of the day I'm the cunt with a pool cue and he can get the fat end in his puss any time he fucking wanted like. So I squares up, casual like. What does the hard cunt do? Or the so-called hard cunt? Shites it. Puts down his drink, turns, and gets the fuck out of there. And after that, well, the game was mine."
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You mean McG failed to invoke any of the talent that Cameron has? McG failed to do justice to this series? NOBODY saw that coming...
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Dude, you're an idiot. Period. (Read that with a Coloradan accent)
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1)scavanging 'pirate' crew.
2)wheelchair that converts to gun parts
3)aliens in chamber killing a weaker one to escape
4)set design...and that's about it. even Ron Perlman was painfully annoying in it. i remember feeling like a family pet had died after seeing it. and not because the big pink puppy-alien had gotten sucked out a pinhole either. -
its not entirely true to say that Scotland, Wales and England are seperate countries - as they are in fact all part of one and the same country. And whilst Scottish people have different accents to English and English to Welsh - a catch-all term for people who are unable to distinguish (for example, someone who is from another country) would be to call it a British accent i.e. an accent coming from someone from Britain. Furthermore, like it or not - but most Americans equate a British accent with an English accent. They likely equate your Scottish accent with a drunken ginger cuntface with an inferiority complex.
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SO ITS OK FOR U TOO TALK SHIT ABOUT MY COUNTRY ,BUT U DONT LIKE IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND EH?
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Replace the word Ken & that could be fuckin anywhere!
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Fuck this movie and fuck McG.
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May 20, 2009 11:21:02 AM CDT
Still selling T-4 swag on the site even though the movie sucks
by mr dark
A True professionial but very distracting seeing the ad in the right hand corner as I'm reading how bad the film sucks..
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AMERICA AND CANADA R THE SAME COUNTRY
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Shame he gave Crystal Skullfuck a free pass at the time then, isn't it?
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indeed. i want exactly the 'pew pew' lazers, and the organized, grey uniforms of the resistance (tight rolled pants, shoulder pads, jeep caps and shades- at night) from terminator 1 and 2. and heaps and heaps of skulls. everywhere. no roads or parking lots or nothing. in fact, i want the skulls to urban rubble ratio to be like 500 to 1. and since McG didn't do this, i say fuck him.
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don't they teach you kilts geography over there?
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and some 80s synth music too. Thanks.
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"Pew pew" - LMAO!! Well said. I want that ridiculously 1980's nightclub back... Tech Noir? And Linda Hamilton hot again with big feathery hair.
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if the machines DO RISE, Harry could likely be mauled by his twitter and his Hover-round electric scooter. EGADS!
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I was dragged to the movie; and yes I read the books and enjoyed them for what they were, YA...btw, I love this site and Harry is a good reviewer but I can never guess if he is going to love/hate a movie
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To review films after gushing over Twilight. Anyone that got any sort of enjoyment out of that shit stain has no sway over me in their movie reviews.
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Kyle Reese sux, he gets to go back.
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like he visited his Swansea-valley orthodontist and said he was going to hollywood "oh, Hollywood is it? well you'll be wanting some nice clean toothy-pegs. In fact, we'd better throw a couple in at the back just to be sure, like. Very high standards they have over there i tell you. You can't have too many of these in your gob."
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I agree w/you T2 does not stand up to T1 at all...and I am the biggest T1 fan...T3 was horrible and just to make money, seriously? Nick Stahl? Guns in the grave? Old nuke fall out shelter?
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"This isn't the future my ma told me aboot. I'm wearing a dress & my balls are ginger."
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Harold disappointed in McG Franchise. I suspect I'll feel the same way w/ Sommers' little GI Joe franchise--woo Hoo! nuking the Eiffel! Same Dodging the rockets scene as in Transformers! WOWSERS! That said--I'll go see this(matinee!) because-the promos DO look alright, because I remember Harold spooging all over Van Helsinki and Jurassic_Kong, and we ALL know what quality flicks THOSE were--and finally, I think Mssrs Bale, Worthington and co. deserve a fair viewing. I would guess this movie's on a par w/ X3 or if you like, last year's Red Sox. No they didn't win the pennant, but they DID make it into game 7 of the ALCS, and that ain't bad. McG is NOT great, but c'mon, this doesn't seem THAT bad. Plus it has Giant Robots! I'm there.
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The writing was on the wall when Pizza Hut had an exclusive clip which turns out to be a main Harvester sequence. It's Terminator the family restaurant version, a fast food movie.
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How come we've all seen the behind the scenes footage of the Harvester chase with McG barking orders?
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May 20, 2009 11:37:58 AM CDT
You want Bale to be fun in a post nuclear war world?
by most excellent ninja
I think he has other things to worry about like I don't know, saving fucking humanity.
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Sorry but you will never live those two reviews down. Anyway, good review this time.
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Just stop it already, please, for Everyones sake.
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May 20, 2009 11:40:25 AM CDT
I was so excited I even sent my wife into a 7-11 to get me a Sl
by van_line
hope this makes it on the dvd box.
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It was a great film, especially the Directors Cut.
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if this movie does not meet expectations are they still going to forward with the planned trilogy?...are they locked in to doing 3 new Terminator movies?
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At least it stayed within the context of the first two. The kid that played John Conner
(Although it wouldve been cooler if Furlong couldve played him) was into the character and not threatening to trash some Guys lights.
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who could have stomach surgery and have absolutely nothing change in his health or lifestyle.
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I knew this film was in trouble when the trailer didn't have any lasers in it. Why did they ditch the lasers?!! Every movie that came before it showed lasers in the future!
Lasers could be cool again, if they were done correctly.
BTW - the lasers in Star Trek sucked.
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I was wondering about that too. If not that, how McG will respond to any negativity towards this, whether he would change his plans. If at all.
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This is the Movie I most looked forward to this year. I GENUINELY Hated T3, but the hype for this one has made me excited about the franchise again. If its as bad as you say it is Harry, its going to be a LONG summer...sigh
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Are you out of your goddamn mind? I'll give a pass to anyone that enjoyed the books and therefore loves the story of that franchise. However, you cannot say that the film was anything but a complete waste of time on every level professionally. I don't care how bad Terminator Salvation is, the sheer fact that it was made makes it better than the Twilight film. There were massive technical and professional issues with that film. For you to even hint that these films would be in the same vicinity as each other shows your merit as a reviewer. Act like you run a goddamn website Harry. You don't have the luxury anymore to react in such a bullshit cry baby and very unprofessional manner. Grow the fuck up and stop talking out your ass.
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That are Sara Connor Chronicles are nuked beyond hope now. I sorta knew that nothing in T:S would beat the minor episode of SummerGlauMinator and that wheel-chair war geek. That's good writing.
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in a hundred years who's gonna care?
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& bring in a real director. If not Bale's fucked.
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our ages at the time is ridiculous...T1 and T2 are on TV all the time and they are still great movies, so nostalgia has nothing to do with the quality of those films - don't forget that there were people our age at the time of T2 and T1's release, and they thought the movies were fantastic too...there's a reason why these movies are still discussed and compared 25 and 17 years on: they were brilliant. Will anyone be talking about T3 and T:S in such glowing terms decades from now? A resounding NO.
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If you live in frakkin' Minnesota, otherwise, not so much.
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That line in the trailer was my first clue. How sad. It was video game cut scene from 1998 bad.
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totally worthless. crappy animation and more self promo than actually getting the point across.
i have wondered about the lasers myself, but just assumed that is an alternate future where man swiped the laser tech from the terminators (who- yeah, can invent TIME TRAVEL but can't handle inventing lasers now?)and used it against them. that's what stupid skynet gets for sending their robotic troops out HOLDING LASER GUNS instead of having them be built in to them. i mean, loss of the use of a hand is the same whether you are holding a gun or your hand IS a gun. and if you are going to send a bunch of nekkid terminator endoskeletons out on patrol it really doesn't matter if they look like people with 2 hands, does it? -
But not as good as the first one. Check.
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I may not agree with everything you said, but I dont agree with everything ANYBODY says - but as far as a review goes, this one was written very well.
Thing is, we can tell that you had a vested interest here - not in a 'i want my kickbacks' kind of way, but in a 'i want my awesome Terminator movie' kind of way. Thats a vested interest we ALL share here, and I feel bad that you didn't get the film you wanted. Bear in mind, that you see A LOT of films - that you are a fan of the movie PROCESS more so than simply a guy who likes going to the movies. We HAVE to take your reviews with a grain of salt because you've seen so many amazing movies, that when one comes along that is 'fairly good', it doesn't really reach your level of expectations. For the typical movie fan and Terminator fan, there's a chance this film will still be enjoyable. Its like wines - if your palate isn't really all that refined, you're probably perfectly happy with any given bottle of wine.
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May 20, 2009 11:50:26 AM CDT
"Because then it'll be no worse than T2, the most overrated film
by jared syn
LaserPants, is that you?
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Granted, it did not deserve the scared named of the Big Guy attached to it, but for a giant lizard movie, it was pretty damn good. And LIGHT YEARS BETTER than Cloverfield. And yeah Scotsman75 you are an annoying Fuck, we get it. You got an B- in British History last week in grammar(primary?) school.
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I'm thinking this is a bit of a "told you so". McG thought he could bring something and he gets beat by a series with one tenth the budget.
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How do you expect Him to give a great performance when He's directed by MuhGee and distracted by the light? Fucking amateursm one and all.
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It was me, I think. I do think it's overrated. I love the first film & kinda like the second. I just don't really care for substitute daddy Arnie.
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Okay, the film sucks, but was the lighting any good?
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Perhaps there's hubris in "Ressurrection" and "Salvation" that got in the way. Both films seem to focus mostly on visual aspects and very little on story.
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He had us going there for a second, what with his interviews and "I'm a fan" bullshit. But in the end, it's McG.
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You were so excited that you sent your WIFE into a 7-11 to get you a slurpee cup???
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We are frakking DONE professionally! Nothing to do but watch Star Trek again and wait for the Footloose remake.
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then why does Cary Elwes boast having one in Robin Hood: Men In Tights?
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What the fuck:-)? The mad scotsman was bad enough.
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But T2 is, far and away, the MOST overrated movie of all times. Ever. OF ALL TIMES. Now, I go to insane exaggerated lengths to bust on T2 (mostly because it CRACKS ME THE FUCK UP how upset the OBESE VIRGINS get), but I can understand how people would like it -- T2 is cutesy poo, family friendly, features an ending ripped from OLD YELLER, and then wraps everything up on a Super Positive Happy note that soothes the audience. See, for me, I like my Dark Future dark, I don't need robodaddies and mommies running around a backlot with a whiny emo teen who thinks guns n' posers are cool. I'd far rather watch a flawed but entertaining FUTURE FUCKING WAR, then a pandering, lame, limp, feel good, family friend WEE WUB WOO WOBODADDY, WAAAAAAH!!! movie. But thats just me. Apparently the rest of you would glady eat an entire bowl of steaming hot shit if Jim "I Made Two Good Movies In The 80s, Thats It" Cameron told you too. Hell, you'd ask for seconds! And then get mad at people who say, "Dude! Your eating poopies!"
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May 20, 2009 11:58:33 AM CDT
Bale and "best work" do not belong in same sentence
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
Since his scream fest in Begins, he has been on a downhill trajectory. Any surprise this movie will suck as well? None.
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Fuck!
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Wickle Jonnie Connor: WAAAAAAAAH!
ARRRRRRNULD: Why doo woo cwy?
Butch Lesbo Mom: GRRRRRR!!! I'm angry!!! GRRR!!!
Early 90s CGI Man: ...
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I'll see the film myself.
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complete w/ Great BRITISH TEETH. Fuck this shit. You wanna talk accents? Okay pallie I grew up in MAINE, okay? Coast of Maine esp east of Rockland has most of the natives biting off their 'R's and aping Tim Sample routines. Interior from there it's about the same but they sharpen their crayolas more. SW of there along the coast they sound like NE Massholechussets. Up from Aroostook County where I grew up--we sound like we're from the Midwest, because of fucking New Brunswick across the line. Unless you're Quebecoise French then your accent sounds like Pepe De la Pew's toothless cousin in the shoe factory. Mix that shit allll together and you get Bangor, Lewiston and Augusta. And out in New Hampshire, the accent starts getting closer to a psuedo-Great Lakes kinda thing, more nasal and less Bahstonish. Okay? And Maine is only 33K square miles. I remember living in Texas-you had different twangs down there in Dallas vs Houston vs San Antonio, and it's not like it's that close, either. BRITISH ACCENT: DAVID FUCKING NIVEN okay?? shit don't be so touchy.
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May 20, 2009 12:00:55 PM CDT
When Americans say British accents, they mean English accents
by hadders
forgetting that Britain includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
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That can't bode well.
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It's unwatchable. "I know why you cwy" "youjustcantgoroundkillinpeople". Fuck you you little dipshit was the best line in the entire movie. I'm sure this movie is as good as T1.
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Seriously I could have never predicted that.
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HE KEEPS COMPARING IT TO DIFFERENT STATES IN AMERICA,JUST DOESNT GET IT LOL
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Harry, you're the worst fucking writer the internet has to offer. You're lucky you're self employed.
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You do know that bad teeth thing came from a Mike Myers joke, right?
You can't get bad teeth by being born in a particular country. Unless you're part of an undiscovered amazonian tribe or something.
On the other hand, maybe the mad scotsman does have bad teeth. Did you know that Scottish fish & chip shops sell deep fried mars bars? Seriously. They eat deep fried fucking mars bars! They also eat the fish, but they like to keep the chips on their shoulders.
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May 20, 2009 12:07:13 PM CDT
Yeah, Ahnuld was emascutaed, but I still loved T2
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
And fuck the neo-haters!
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People here are properly ripping into Harry's review history, and I'd like to join in on the fun. So, here are some quotes from his review of Phantom Menace, the Lord of all Franchise Killers:
"When I first read Jar Jar’s scenes I was terrified because.... well whenever Jar Jar did something, I imagined the solitary focus being upon Jar Jar. But.... Guess what? Mesa Luved Him!"
"By the way, I really dug Anakin [played by Jake Lloyd] too."
"I’m so utterly love smitten. I was afraid tonight. Instead, I saw a really wonderful adventure."
"And right now, I want to apoligize to the folks that hate this movie. I don’t. I genuinely loved it."
McG's terminator may very suck, but good ol' Harry's reviews have not one iota of credibility.
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THE REASON AMERICANS THINK BRITIAN MEANS ENGLAND,IS BEACAUSE YOUR EITHER IGNORANT OR UNEDUCATED,AND SECONDLY NORTHERN IRELAND IS PART OF THE UK,NOT BRITIAN.SO GOING BACK TO MY POINT,THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT,AS BRITIAN IS NOT A COUNTRY,IT IS A UNION OF SCOTLAND WALES AND ENGLAND,EACH WITH THERE OWN ACCENTS AND LANGUAGES AND CULTURES.
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for the review. Too bad, i was expecting something at the very least good. Bale is terribly overrated btw, his batman sucks donkey thingies.
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because this trilogy is building up to something over three movies? (Thanks George Lucas). And this is just the beginning? Waiting for a payoff over a few years? (great trend there)
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...but when it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there." You've raised your standards, Harry.
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most other action flicks of the past??? More specifically things like Predator, Commando, most Michael Bay movies, etc. Harry kept taking about how pointless things were and other reviews have commented on the characters and their development. None of those other movies really have that. To me it seems like this is McG's Kobayashi Maru. There is no way he iwas gonna please everyone. I haven't seen this yet but I just can not believe with as dark and grim as the trailers look that it is that bad. Also, I pretty much think Cameron movies have some of the corniest lines ever, "Look into my eye!", "Its too late I'm already involved..."(Titanic). I really want to know how people can claim this is crap yet hold other movies at a higher level, especially when they are very similar.
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@ Sal Brando - there are myriad accents from across England - it can change in the space of 20 miles, never mind the different accents in different countries.
@ hadders - Great Britain is the island that consists of England, Wales and Scotland so actually Northern Ireland is not part of Britain. Our country is after all The United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. -
you bitter Jock bastard. Just answer me this - what type of passport do you have? What does it say is your nationality?
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I KIN FEIGN MORAL OUTRAGE CUZ NO ONE BOTHERED ENTERING THE STATE FUNDED FILM OF SCOTTSMUN IQ75 SHAGGING THE LOCAL COREDALE SHEEP POPULATION AT CANNES. IT R AN OUTRAGE. EXCUSE ME WHILE I GO PLAY 'PASS THE DUTCHIE' ON ME BAGPIPES
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A) Because Roger Ebert hated it, and while I don't always agree with him, I know where he's coming from and it doesn't bode well.
B) It's one thing to cite when Harry likes a movie like Crystal Skull, because he tends to like just about everything, but when Harry HATES a movie, that's a whole other matter. If it's so bad that the guy who likes everything hates it, I take that with a high degree of credibility. -
Ba-dum bum! I like it. :) See, that's British wit for you...I mean, uhm, English...UK-ish...
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Star Trek was just as much a brainless, action movie with little or no heart. Some great effects, yes. Boring? No. Still, if you can love Star Trek, with ALL of its many flaws, what's the big difference from the meaningless, dumb action in T:S?
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I liked Alien Resurrection BTW
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at the end of the third new trilogy. it's all leading up to lasers. the scene, a now grizzled john connor sits reading the reports from various encounters, and a resistance fighter is brought in to him 'i've got something to show you- we've never seen anything lik this before- the 800's, they're carrying ...THESE' *(hands him a pew pew laser gun)'wow, they're fucking professional, the debbils hands habben bizz...' he says. 'quick- we have to step up the game- dispense the plain gray jumpsuit uniforms to every resistance fighter. i want EVERYONE's pants tightrolled ASAP! jeep caps and shades for everyone. YES i know it's nighttime all the time now, but we're deling with LASERS, man! we need shades! now take all those skulls we've been collecting and spread them out before every battle. maybe the treads or robot feet will stumble over them. at the very least we'll hear them crunchinf when they approach...now MOVE! MOVE!
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NO SUCH THING AS ABRITTISH ACCENT,IM NOT SAYING THAT ACCENTS ARNT DIFFERENT IN AMERICA,THEY ARE ALL AMERICAN ACCENTS.IM SAYING THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN A BRITTISH ACCENT,SIMPLY BECAUSE BRITIAN IS NOT A COUNTRY ITS A UNION OF 3 DIFFERENT COUNTRYS.
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May 20, 2009 12:16:14 PM CDT
Scotty - you are being a pedantic asspickle
by hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes
We get it already and we don't care. U.K. and Britain are not one interchangeable. So shut the fuck up.
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of which they haven't the slightest grasp of. They can't conceive of what actually made the material great to begin with. To them, it's the props, the hardware, the most rudimentary iconography. Not how the characters were LOVED by their creators.
If one of you AICN guys would read the screenplay for PD's A Nightmare On Elm Street Remake, and honestly review it, and post Chris Johnson You Tube Fan Trailer up. Well maybe you could get them to fix this film while the camera's still rolling.
For some strange reason this just is not going to happen. Terminators done for you. Well in some small way it should be. It used to be art, then it became a brand, and then the man behind it left it for good. Now anything created in it's name is has a higher chance of being crap. Plain and simple fact. Support Original Idea's. Force Hollywoods hand, and ignore this garbage, and yet we wont. We still go. I'm forced to see this. I don't want to I really don't because I know it's going to suck. I feel bad for the people who were 10 in 1999. That's an entire generation that has grown up under this remake gun. What kind of cinematic voice will those under it's influence provide us with. I highly doubt it will be independent and original. It's nearly at the point where we will praise someone who creates an entire film using other film ideas and plots and calls it their own. This future sucks.
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May 20, 2009 12:16:33 PM CDT
Harry loves [insert anythi.... WAIT A FUCKING SECOND!!!!
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Holy shit! Hold the presses! Harry doesn't like something!? What the fuck is going on here? Oh wait! I know. McG didn't hold a "i will let you suck my cock because i know you swallow" special viewing experience like that fuckhead JJ. A negative Harry review just makes this flick much more interesting.
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At least it will be better than "X-Men Origins: Wolverine"
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Damn! Well...I'm glad we're getting back to form. So many posts with everybody giving each other handjobs and finally people are throwing shit at each other again!And what the fuck is the deal with arguing over accents and which part of this or that continent is part of this or that country or union? Well, at least it's not as irrelevant as politics poking it's doughy white face into every TB.And even though it's a feat akin to standing up and not falling over, I appear to be correct in my predictions about T:S, a meaningless action extravaganza better handled and less cheesy than schlock like Bay's work but really not much better...bereft of story or development (altho I predicted it would exchange needless complexity for story..wrong on that I guess..I figured McG would ape the Wachowskis..turns out he just aped the unborn love child of Rattner and Bay).And tho I know tends to improve even shitty material, I must say I'm surprised at Harry's reaction to his performance.Of course, I haven't seen it yet so cannot legitimately slam or praise the flique just yet...but I'm not surprised at the latest reveiws cropping up...And I'm a little surprised at Harry's insolence regarding this movie. I think it speaks to the general anger coming from the "haters" since talk of this new 'franchise' began. This idea of growing up with something and, in turn, feeling loyal to the point of feeling like you own a piece of it. I'm not knocking this as I do it myself. I feel like I "grew up" with the first Terminator movie and even the second (yes, it has some faults) and I did think that bias colored my reaction to T3 and likely T:S.Of course we don't 'own' these movies and the idea of being personally offended...for real..is a bit pretentious but I think the sentiment is there all the same. Logic or not.The very first time I heard McG was helming I couldn't help rolling my eyes. I always spoke of hoping I was proven wrong and that it would be worthy of the first 2 flims...even if not as good as either. And Im not glad I was right...mainly because after this apparent craptaastic film makes a huge mint, McG will be given hundreds of millions for the sequel and will be given free creative reign. Hope you guys are ready for John Conner using the time machine to travel back to discuss strategy killing the Terminators with General Patton. Maybe he's go back in time and get a shitty modern computer virus that Skynet would be dismissive of (like the in SW where a single fighter wasn't considered a threat) that will bring down HBC (the face of Skynet).I'll say this about what I'm reading...it sounds like, yet again, the one person given the power did not understand even a single thing about the original franchise/storylines (just like Zombie with Halloween).Apologies for the novel/thx for readin...me toosense
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I LOVED Terminator and dragged everyone I knew to the theatre to see it. I was violently against a sequel and Arnie as a "good guy" terminator! The first picture stood on it's own and the ending was poetic and left you filling in the story in your mind.
But welcome to the era of the franchise sequels. I stood in line and was ready to hate T2.
I walked out of the theatre realizing Cameron's brilliance!
Sure Arnie's terminator was a "good guy" character now...but it was written into the story logically. And Cameron upped the ante with an even MORE lethal (albeit fantastic) threat.
Misplaced humor? Sure...but needed to displace tension in films like this. The father son aspect made perfect sense too and Arnie never broke character as the cold protector until the thumbs up at the end which I hated.
These are all fair critiques BUT Cameron's pacing of action and masterful, seamless use of effects cannot be denied. ILM film reel? Please...all of his action pieces (Aliens, True Lies, Titanic) are on par and usually better than ANYONE directing today. To deny this is sheer hating. -
He tried really hard to sell this, and I know he comes off like a douche sometimes, but I think overall hes probably a really nice guy. I wanted to believe he could pull this off and gain some cred, but it looks very unlikely. I'm sure he's very sad today. It has to sting. I feel bad for him.
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Harry loves everything. He loves shittiest movies that are insults to any intelligent moviegoer. Rarely does he hate something that most people love. I don't particularly think Harry is a great reviewer, but it is because he is far too easy on the films he reviews, not too hard. This movie should have been a slam dunk out of the park home run of a review. I was expecting for Harry to say this movie totally revamps the series and that McG has even improved on Cameron's vision. The fact that he did the opposite, tells me this movie is going to suck. I don't trust a glowing review from Harry, but I do trust a negative one.
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YOU WOULDNT SAY HIS ACCENT WAS BRITTISH WOULD YOU ? YOU WOULD SAY IT WAS SCOTTISH.IF BALES ACCENT IS ENGLISH IN TERMINATOR ,THEN ITS AN ENGLISH ACCENT,I DONT SEE WHAT ALL THE CONFUSION IS ABOUT.
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Harry didn't seem to give a shit about how unfaithful JJ was to the Trek mythos. I hate to keep harping on the same shit, but come on! Bit of a double-standard, don't ya think? This could very well be as awful as this review claims, in fact, I have the feeling it is...but I'm still going to find out for myself tomorrow. But I do agree that Alien Resurrection was fucking unprofessional and distracting. Joss Whedon was like "LA DE DA DE DA" in the background, while Carl's husband from Cheers threw a grenade down an escape pod like a bowling ball.
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Drag his soul to hell.
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At least, a weakness with Part B. If Harry's enthusiasm for bad movies results, not from a diminished benchmark for quality, but from an inability to appreciate quality altogether, then his judgement cannot be trusted whether he is liking or hating a movie. I'm not saying Terminator:Salvation is good. I am saying that it isn't fair to assume that just because Harry likes a lot of bad movies then one can assume if he doesn't like a movie, it must be very low in quality, since you can just as easily assume that Harry is incapable of appreciating quality completely.
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Remember, he got laid the night before, he 'walked' into the theatre instead of rolled; the hotdog guy didn't forget to put the mustard underneath his dog and his cola didn't taste like sweetened piss...
I think Terminator Salvation is like being hopped up eight bowls of Frosted Flakes with marshmallows sugar rush of a 9 year old dream of what the ultimate Terminator movie would be. I also believe that for McG this is an incredibly personal film. Call me naive, claim that I swallowed McG’s Mad Max inspired fantasy hook, line and sinker, but as I watched the radiant and energetic and action packed Terminator Salvation, I was giggling along with my dad and we loved it.
After the last frame of the movie,where John Connor has taken a cyborgs cock up his ass for the sake of humanity, I knew they'd hit the right note for me. I'm willing to bet all the chips, McG had endless 9 year old conversations with his Dad last week about what the coolest Terminator movie ever was…I know I did. And when he grew up McG still wanted to make the mother of all Terminator movies, even though he was handicapped with the mental age of a 9 year old, but the passion lingered grew up to be Stephen Sommers, and now this (mentally retarded man / boy) has made the cooliest Terminator ever! And I'll be damned, but I bet every drop of blood in McG's universe tastes like Big Red with a wad of cum for good measure!
McG loves this material… there isn’t a second of this film where I couldn’t feel that unfettered enthusiasm for the material unleashed. Like a half-crazed unleashed pre-adolescent fantasy ought to be told, this thing is filled with conveniences that are there solely for the sake of coolness.
swings baby? Hehehe… The amount of robots in this thing, for a bit you’d think this was influenced by T1, T2, T3. Gravity, Torque and the physical realities mean nothing in McG’s universe. All those things are sacrificed to his personal God of Cool.
I mean, every element of this thing has that same unleashed gloriously childish sensibility to it. There isn’t a single cynical frame of self-awareness in this thing. McG is essentially leaping for joy in his favorite childhood pajamas trying to make a hole in his ceiling while laughing and leaping upon his bed. It’s crazy, it doesn’t make a lick of sense, but God Damn if it isn’t a shitload of fun.
I mean, things that just didn’t make any sense to me when I read his script, which I wasn’t really a fan of, suddenly leapt to life onscreen. And I think I get it. You see, when you read something, or at least when I read something, its easy to get hung up on a detail. A thing like… Why the fuck does John Connor have a BRITISH accent, he’s supposed to fucking be American! BUT – when you watch the film, and you see him doing impossibly agnry scenes. Well frankly, it’s because the British kick Termiantor butt like noone.
There’s a crazy cartoon logic at play in this film that dares to invent its own whacked mythology. It is at that level that you’re either going to go with it, or fucking hate this thing as a piece of shit.
The rules are never laid out in black and white in this film, and if you bring in the established rules and have no room to budge with them… Crazy ass action and Terminator mumbo jumbo. I could have fought this film from frame one, but I didn’t. This film isn’t about subtlety, atmosphere and reverence. This is about going into those worlds and just tearing it up… having fun and moving around as fast as you can. Its about fun, and it really is up to the viewer to want to have it… or not. Personally, I had a shitload of fun. -
the country was formed by the Act of Union which unified the crowns of Scotland and England (which already included Wales at that point). So it is a union of crowns not a union of countries. Scotland is not it's own country it is subserviant to its master. England. And you can wave your tartan scarf and cry "FREEEEEEDOOOOOOM" all you want whilst chomping on your deep fried mars bar but no-one gives a fuck coz this basic point is true.
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I quote: "IM NOT SAYING THAT ACCENTS ARNT DIFFERENT IN AMERICA,THEY ARE ALL AMERICAN ACCENTS.IM SAYING THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN A BRITTISH ACCENT
No, there is no such thing as an all encompassing British accent, rather there are variations, but the same can be said of Americans. As you said "they are all American accents" the same applies to Britain. An accent from the British Isles is by definition British.
You already made your point of there not being one specific British accent & the people you were talking to have accepted your point. There's no need to keep going on about it. -
THE BIG CONFUSION HERE SEAMS TO BE THAT MOST AMERICANS DONT KNOW WHAT BRITIAN MEANS.
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LMAO!
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GOOOOD FOR YOU!!!!
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You know damn well Rothman and Co. fucked that up. NOT HIM.
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT.END OF DISCUSSION
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT.END OF DISCUSSION
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In Allure magazine says that it's tough being amazingly hot...
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT.END OF DISCUSSION
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it revamped the series and will likely bring a lot of new stupid people into liking it because it was so palatable (and yet bland). it didn't make me think. even for a second. some people have said that star trek needed a thoughtless vehicle to get accepted. and i won't disagree for a second that the action wasn't good and it was all shot wonderfully. but it didn't make me think or hope or wonder or anything. and the fact that the engine room of the enterprise looks like some canadian water treatment plant got a free paintjob if they could shoot in it...well- that was some cheap ass shit right there. cheaper than anything from ST:TOS.
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Like you don't know how to spell. Mr. Asshat.
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You almost had us going there Scotsman.
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and beanz meanz heinz .
Also, no shocks here about the review. Not that I take any stock from Harry's reviews. Although I always enjoy reading bad reviews for some reason .Anyway , did anybody expect this to be good ??
From the Director of Charlies Angels !
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FUCK IT EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS BRITTISH ACCENTS,LETS ALL USE THE YANKS LOGIC.
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FUCK IT EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS BRITTISH ACCENTS,LETS ALL USE THE YANKS LOGIC.
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FUCK IT EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS BRITTISH ACCENTS,LETS ALL USE THE YANKS LOGIC.
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That's the point I was making originally, thank you. But as we call see now, Scotsman has very clearly lost his tartan mind.
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It'll be werf it, waiting through three slow movies to see the lasers at the end! I can't wait. Like when Vader crossed his arms at the end of ROTS. I was at peace. I was at peace. I could go home again.
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Hamburgers eat people
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May 20, 2009 12:29:30 PM CDT
WAIL!!! I’m no longer interested in Terminator...NEH NEH NEH!!!
by harryblackpotter
And then he throws his toys out of the pram.
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As does "tranquiliser". Tit has two. As does Twat.
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Give it a rest
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Isn't there a Dialect or Linguistics talkback where you could take this ever so fascinating discussion?
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Wb should have done a special screening of T2 for Harry... and have Bale show up and play T4 instead!
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I'll probably still see the movie. Here's a fun exercise though: read Harry's review but replace the franchise, director, and actors' names with JJ-Trek analogues. That's assuming you felt about the Trek movie the same way I did, that is.
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I'm not having a discussion. I'm just sick of this fucker going on & on. Don't even put me in the same sentence as that crazy fucker.
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Shared catharsis and vicarious insulting? I will occasionally use overall consensus on whether or not I'll see a flick blind or purchase a disc (I love buying blind and loving the movie!) but I don't think those decisions have ever weighed solely on a critic's personal take. I just enjoy reading it from a non-perverted voyeuristic-like manner and whether or not my take is in line with any particular take from someone else.Do you guys actually spend money at the theater based on what people like Harry or Ebert says? I get it for movies I'm not invested in story-wise but then are there many of those for you guys? I mean arguing about whether or not expectations are low, high, or non existent in these neo-summer tent-pole popcorn movies is basically pointless.Consensus hates the Underworld movies and I like em. Consensus liked T3 and I basically hated it. Consensus here LOVES anything Apatow and I just find his random dialog scenes funny (40yoV being the exception due to Carrell of course) and then the completely schizophrenic take on guys like Rattner or McG. Half of you hate them and half don't but yet each half hates the other half for their opinion. Sooner or later, your zeal will mask your actual and honest take...perhaps we see that in Harry's review here. Perhaps not...but holy shit is it fun readin! Yeehaw!!!! Thanks for playing!
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You gotta give Harry this, his hate filled reviews are as passionate as his "best time I ever had in a theater EVER" reviews.So Harry? Would you rate this on a scale even below last summers The Happening and/or The Love Guru? If thats the case...wow.
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about Godzilla.
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Don't start cribbing from Laserpants. You're cleverer than that.
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IF YOUR GOING ON HOLIDAY DONT ASK FOR A FLIGHT TO BRITIAN,U COULD LAND IN ANY ONE OF 3 DIFFERENT COUNTRYS,JUST A TRAVEL TIP TO YOU YANKS.
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to take her clothes off.
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and (gulp) good review harry
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CAN ANY U YANKS NAME THE FLAGS THAT MAKE UP THE UNION JACK.IM WILLING TO BET MY LIFE ON IT THAT NONE OF U GET IT.
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May 20, 2009 12:40:39 PM CDT
but you made yourself sound like a shitty demanding husband
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
"YOKO GET YOUR FUCKING ASS HOME BIATCH!" jeez you cant talk to people like that harry
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The scotsman is insane. I like how you included me & Cedar room in with him. He isn't talking to us, he's actually talking to Americans.
We were the only ones he couldn't give a shitty answer to. But fuck it. I'm in Japan & it's 2:38am, so you can have your wish. I'll go to bed. You can deal with him if ya like. Let's see how long you last with the mouthbreathing pleb. -
I still love Vern's review of Lady in the Water. Made me think of M. Night creeping around the T:S set like that character "The Wanderer" from ancient SCTV. Cast picture here...there's M. Night in the back looking at BDH's trailer. Final action set construction complete photos with M. Night dipping into the KS tables while wearing dark glasses and a baseball cap. Grainy pics of M. Night stalking Hurlbutt to put in what he felt was Bryce's part of the argument when Bale spoke in a single stream of rhetoric which changed the history of the world (and AICN).Epiphany is rampant today!
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All I know is that the two Charlie Angels movie were the worst two movies of all time. I had rather watch Barney at least that is more realistic than 3 superwomen flying around like it is New Krypton in metropolis. Since T4 is from the same director how can you expect anything less than a price of overblown shit that does not respect the sourse material. I see Harry's point and passion for the direpect for T1 and T2 this movie creates.
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May 20, 2009 12:42:45 PM CDT
Fact : 95% of people who don't like T2 enjoy sucking dick.
by most excellent ninja
truth.
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Certainly not the shitfest Harry's making it out to be.
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And are really, REALLY dumb.
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...he's pretty on point with my review- http://tinyurl.com/pjgtm9 - I felt the movie gets a big "MEH".
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That's what it means when you capitalize EVERY FUCKING LETTER OF YOUR POST, RIGHT? SHUT THE FUCK UP BRUCE.
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May 20, 2009 12:47:04 PM CDT
Weta's computers are actually more powerful than ILM
by most excellent ninja
they are the real skynet meets teletraan 1.
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this summer's Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
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Leave the "robodaddy" schtick (and the whole "r's pronounced as w's") to Laserpants.
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The guy goes by the name 'McG'. DOUCHE! On that reason alone I was planning on giving this film a miss. Now, I'm settled. He's not getting my cash for this train wreck.
And T3 was terrible as well. There is no way they would've made it in to the central communications hub of a military base dragging Arnie along with them. Ridiculous. The t3 bot seemed to be able to control the way a car steers using nano-tech. DUMB! Both of these films should have only been made with either Cameron's guidance or with a tribunal of Terminator expert geeks to fully scour the scripts for logic errors and TALENTED writers who know how to tell a good story. -
4 out of 5 stars...
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Harry, you mean like how you call your wife "Yoko", even though she's Korean and not Japanese?
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May 20, 2009 12:52:04 PM CDT
I can't tell by your reviews whether I'll like it or not
by cherryvalance
I agree with you about half the time. *shrug* I usually go by Capone. So we don't really have similar tastes but I respect your opinion. Reading your reviews lately, I just wanna offer that maybe we're getting too old for this shit. For example, I really liked Wolverine and reading your review after seeing it myself, I didn't agree with you, but I understood what you were saying. I've felt like that about many movies lately. I don't want to be bothered if I'm not interested and I'm not going to give anything the benefit of the doubt. If I think it's going to be shit I don't want to see it even if I'm a huge fan of the stars/director. Or if I'm just not interested, I don't feel that NEED to go anymore just to say I saw it. I didn't see Star Trek because quite frankly, I've never liked any Star Trek ever.
The other downside is that it's difficult to get psyched about a movie and have it pay off. I chalk that up to having seen too many movies but I've seen nowhere near as many movies as you have. They become too predictable and you've got a mental catalog of hundreds that are better. So a while back I decided to try to not get excited about things. The fact is most people who are making movies today probably don't like movies as much as we do. So they don't CARE as much. They care about their checks and their careers but putting out a quality product is the concern of probably a precious few. In this case I hope Christian Bale cares. He has so far. If he stunk well then, everyone's gotta have a bad role I guess. Everyone else? Who knows.
But I plan to see it tomorrow. I don't have too many bad vibes about it. Hopefully I'll get something out of it. But again I'm not getting excited about it, because I've learned it's not worth the letdown. The only movie for this year that I've let myself have expectations for is Public Enemies and I kinda already wish I hadn't. -
May 20, 2009 12:52:15 PM CDT
I hate to break it to the Chimp arguing in ALL-CAPS but.....
by kai_mah'gra
.....Scotland is not a country. Neither is Wales, or Nothern Ireland. Being a country implies that you have your own head of State and you own currency. Who's the President or Prime Minister of Scotland? Or put another way, who's face is on the currency that YOU use, you dumb douche? That would be your head of State (ceremonial figurehead or not) right there and that would be your country. Is there such a thing as Scottish currency? Scottish Highlandollars perhaps? The fact that the English let you have your own Parliament means nothing other than the fact that you've been dumb enough to fall for the same silly trick of 'autonomous' rule that they have been using to trick your small little minds into believing that you're an independent country ever since William Wallace last failed at actually making that a reality. Hint: you're not (an independent country - never have been); Ghana is independent. You know them? They used to be ruledby the British sovereign like you currently still are and then won their independence. Ditto India, Ditto the USA, and ditto a hatful of other former British colonies who all now have their own currency and more importantly their own heads-of-State. You, on the other hand have yet to do so. Ergo, you might as well be referred to as English since everybody that rules your 'country' comes from there (England). So it comes as a little rich that you're here arguing that dumb point in such a douchebag-ian manner.
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Oh yeah, thats right, 0.
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Amirite?
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I knew I could count on thee to bring the Truth -- T2 = Suck Itself.
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So... I'll go in, watch the movie and make my mind up on my own.
The only reason I read your shit anymore is to see what kind of inane banter you're going to regale us with next.
It's like watching a train wreck.
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I know it's not going to be the original story that Kyle explains to Sarah- how they worked in the camps, how John Connor taught them how to fight, to storm the camp etc. It's disappointing when it turns out different than you expected, like Obi-Wan's story to Luke in Star Wars. You get expecations (lasers). Oh well...
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but isn't the resistance supposed to have basically won the war until the 800 is made?
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the shit polluted water from the River Thames over several generations.
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But I'll ask... why do you hate T2 again?
I think it is not only a compelling story, but brilliant in how it parallels T1, yet tells an entirely different story. You could practically run them side by side for alot of it.
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He wasn't paid to write a good one, didn't get any free schwag or nothin'! OH, THE INHUMANITY!!!
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BIG GREEN ONES ...is what this sounds like!
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May 20, 2009 12:58:07 PM CDT
Hahahahaha!!! It's shit. Poor Bale. All that "emotion" for nothi
by g100
Give this franchise to someone who knows how to make an Epic Future War Movie before it's too late.
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Yeah, 'cause everyone lives in London & we don't have reservoirs. Actually, we walk all the way to London & scoop the water up in our pasty hands:-).
Ok, I'm off to bed. If you see a mad scotsman, call him a ginger cunt from me. Cheerio & shit. -
what r u on about dick head
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There's a Director's cut of Alien Resurrection?!
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I found your baseball.
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A Terminator Head from McG himself. Hoping to buy that good review that never came.
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Where and how much?
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We should always take Harry's reviews with a grain of salt. I hate to say it, but he's saying (much more viscerally) what all the other critics I've read are saying. For something that's been built up to over the past 25 years or whatever, it's such an average forgettable summer popcorn flick that it's angering on some level for fans of the original 2 movies. But you know what? What the hell did any of you expect? James Cameron WAS the Terminator franchise. That was all him. Who else has the ability to combine action, special effects and a heart? Think about all his "action" movies, save for True Lies, which was a spoof. They're all relatively light on action, keeping the violent moments memorable because they're used sparingly. We all knew from the trailers that this was Transformers with a different time line and cast. Why are any of you disappointed?
And do I honestly believe Harry is so petty as to give a film a bad review because the producers didn't give him a rub and tug? Sadly, I kind of am...Not to the point that it makes or breaks his reviews, but I can see it.
Harry's folksy "when I was a kid..." schtick is getting old. He uses a similar model for every review, so suddenly every movie is personal for him. Hence, the intense reactions to everything in which someone either had made love to him or raped him with very little in between.
Harry, much as I like the idea of a fan becoming a successful critic, I think it's time you took some lessons from professional" reviewers on how to be fair and balanced and look at stuff objectively rather than personally. What good is a review if it's based on your own tastes? It's one reason I've lost respect for Ebert. All the big names of the critic circle suddenly think that they can write a review as if they're talking to their buddy. The style is engrossing, but eventually the audience will see it's not a review, but an opinion. And opinions are like ass holes...EVERYBODY's got one. -
It's in the Quadrilology, as far as I know.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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is in the box set dvd that was released years ago. It's no different. Just a few minor extended scenes from memory.
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see? it feels good to rant
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Yeah, it's mainly a different opening scene with a goofy bug squash gag, a reference to Newt and some other stuff I can't quite remember because it wasn't much. With bad sound.
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I think your understanding of T2 is way off. There is an art to T2 that you have missed. I think it is because you weren't really a fan or study of T1. The truck being liquid nitrogen is an exact parallel to the gasoline truck from the first Terminator. It was indeed fortuitous that it happened, but really did it stop the T-1000? No. Just like in the first movie when it didn't stop the T-800.And as for the terminator learning to be "cute". .. you're merely picking points on what is based on deeper symbolism for: fatherhood , what sacrifice means, how humanity might be able to be expresses through something inhuman, etc. T:SCC explored this brilliantly ( at times ) with their T-1000.
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...but are you so pissed off becuase you REALLY didn't like the movie, or are you sooo angry because you guys were forced (somehow) to sit on your hands and hold YOUR reviews back a couple of days whiole the big-dog industry trades got to put their two cents worth in before you? I seems to be hgappening a lot lately!
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All I got was this movie was extremely bad because of lack of character development. Um... HELLO, we ALREADY know most of the characters and this is obviously an Action/Special-Effects driven movie. Something tells me Harry isn't coming completely clean on why he hates this movie so much...
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This is now a must see for me and is certainly a Best Picture nom lock. It will also probably be the best action movie of the decade and will shitkick all over T1 & 2
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His article should be renamed "I'm loyal to JJ. So I hate Terminator 4"
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& you gave an initial positive review for your Madison Square/Arensio Hall influenced of GODZILLA. I remember you loved the animal crackers scene in ARMAGEDDON!! I just had to bring it up.
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(Why am I getting into this?) Just because Britain is not a country doesn't mean you can't say "a British accent". "A British accent" would mean "some accent that appears to be one of those that is common within the constituents of Britain." It does not imply there is a single British accent or that Britain is a country. You drew that conclusion yourself. You make the same point about "American accent" (i.e. that there is not a single American accent). Why is it necessary that the word refer to a country? In fact, I'm pretty sure almost no country has a singular accent. One could have said Western accent, European accent, Asian accent, etc. meaning that the person couldn't narrow it down to a specific country or locale but has a general idea of some vague area it might've come form. There are about 40 different accents in the (non-American) region I grew up in, and still people refer to them collectively in an arbitrary way. I don't get worked up about it.p.s. I guess that Moon Bloodgood scene was edited out, huh?
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I called i.t
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Your kidding about that Armageddon shit right?
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I think you're being too subtle. Tell us what you really think!
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1) It completely betrays the premise and context that the first on set up -- now instead of apocalyptic survival its about maintaining the middle class family unit. 2) The badass general of the future turns out to be a whiny teen with a severe father complex who likes Guns n Posers. 3) The Terminator inexplicably becomes a father figure instead of what he's supposed to be - an unstoppable robot assassin from the future. 4) The violence is toned down, but the family friendly light comedy and one liners are ratcheted up. And that doesn't even touch the glaringly RETARDED plot holes and flaws in logic like: A) Why does Early 90s CGI man bother to torture Sarah Connor to call for her son when he can mimic her voice and body? A trick he pulls not more than 10 seconds later???? B) If no metal can go through time travel... how come liquid metal can??? You could explain Arnie coming through by being covered with skin, but not the T-1000. Anyways, these are just a few things about T2: WE WUB WOO WOBODADDY that suck. I could continue, but, why bother? Please feel free to read any of my previous posts on the subject of The Most Overrated Movie Of All Times -- T2: WAAAAAAAH!!! And again, I can totally understand why young people like it -- its probably one of the first movies they saw and that can have a powerful appeal. I also understand the powerful appeal of trash -- I like a ton of trashy, awful movies too. BUT, T2 is JUST that -- Trash. Don't fool yourselves into thinking that its anything more than a competently made, but completely stupid, grade B movie on a GIGANTIC budget. Thats it. Expensive, unintentionally hilarious, trash.
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May 20, 2009 1:14:16 PM CDT
Terminator 4 anally raping JJ's Star Trek at the BO!
by scriptgirl_nipples
I can now see this movie, beating JJ's shitfest Star Trek at the Box Office.
Opening weekend - Wolverine beat JJ's Star Trek ffs. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! -
They ( the resistance ) were beginning to win. That the terminators were even created to resemble humans ( with rubber bodies ) was the first admission that things weren't going well and that they needed to infiltrate.
The T-800's start to turn the tide against the humans. But we don't know objectively how well the humans were doing over all.
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an argument about accents - cause that would be great!!
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One of Cameron's wives left him for a woman? Which of the 5 was that? Bigelow? I did not know that.
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May 20, 2009 1:20:06 PM CDT
Well, I think Bigelow was just tired of the beatings really.
by stuntcock mike
She made some badass films herself actually.
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I thought Bale told McG that the story ...has...to.. be.. there...or he won't do it..RIGHT?That the script could be done as a one man play and hold up on its own with out the explosions..... Is that not what somebody said...who the fuck said that.....McG? Yet all I read from the critics is how the action is great but the story and character development is not there. WHAT A BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKING BULLSHIT! ALL PRAISE LORD BALE AND THE ON GOING STRUGGLE FOR PROFESSIONALISM fuck the slack jawed amateur Hulberts of this nation!
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This waste of time hasnt made ONE good fucking flim..and yet fucking people and fanboys seem to forget this fact everytime his name pops up on a new film...
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First Sarah Connor canceled, and now everyone's saying this movie sucks bad (I'll see for myself to be sure... but I'm not optimistic).
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May 20, 2009 1:26:12 PM CDT
And Harry I generally think your're full of shit...
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
but this was a decent review
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Laserpants... I hate to tell you, but between this and Watchmen, you're trolling 0 for 2. You're a nice guy... but that don't cut it. Days like this, I really miss ChickenGeorge VII.
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Jim Cameron understands the classic hero's arc and knows how to write a compelling story about all the dimenions of heroism better than any filmmaker. There are filmmakers who have a better eye and are more creative or who shoot more exhilirating actions scenes and there are filmmakers who know how to push performances out of actors better etc. But Cameron wins the prize telling stories about heroes... to the point that even the supporting characters in his films show different aspects of heroism...
Anyone who wants to take on the Terminaor franchise needs to understand that it's not about coming up with better special effects, bigger action sequences, more bleak visions of the future or manufacturing stories with surprise "twists" etc. Taking on Terminator means writing compelling characters (various heroes in this case) and giving us a reason to really f'n care about their journey. Anything absent of this simply isn't going to hold up. -
you loved the idea of a machine sent back in time to ensure the preservation of skynet? You mean THE SAME EXACT FUCKING PLOT FROM THE FIRST TWO MOVIES???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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AICN ruined the original ending
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36947
This film would be much better if McG used the original ending. (Sadly, AICN ruined it)
http://scifiwire.com/2009/05/mcg-comes-clean-reveals-t.php
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Don't wanna start any rumors, someone up there posted that little tidbit about Cameron and said it was pre-Titanic, I was just doing the math. Point Break is still one of the most fun dumb movies ever made. If half of the movies that labor to be smarter were anywhere near as good, movies in general would be so many times better.
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...I really don't pay much attention to your opinion anymore. I stopped caring when you sold out to the studios who would scratch your size XXXXXL ass. I just read your reviews for a few spoilers now. I think that we are all pretty much resigned to the fact that your opinion is decidedly slanted anyway. I do agree with you about 50% of the time. However, that means that I disagree with you 50% of the time too.
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...it must be bad if Harry hates it!.
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...then it must really, really, REALLY FUCKING SUCK ASS
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http://tinyurl.com/4r2f8c
This film would be much better if McG used the original ending. http://tinyurl.com/oxkz2o
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Are you sure you're not thinking of Alien 3? Wh ywould Newt come up at the beginning of Alien Resurrection? It takes place about 1,000 years after Aliens and Alien 3.
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May 20, 2009 1:36:14 PM CDT
John Connor was a bit of a badass as a teenage bastard in TERMIN
by ihaveseeneveryepisodeofprisonbreak
Funniest line in review! So Edward Furlong was Badass? Must have missed that!
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May 20, 2009 1:36:35 PM CDT
IT'S OFFICIAL!!! BIGELOW IS AN ÜBERDYKE!!!
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Spread the word! I still maintain that she should've made this. Not some talentless turd who calls himself McG.
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Your current "audience" seems to be confined to a small group of angry, foul-mouthed, middle-aged fanboys. They whine and complain about EVERYTHING. Maybe you should redirect this website in a way that might attract a larger fan base?
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Terminator 2 was more than 'competently' made. I'm sorry, you're just talking absolute horseshit. I know you don't like the Terminator being programmed to learn about emotion but seriously man, if you can't realise how brilliant the actual filmmaking in Terminator 2 is there is absolutely no hope for you.
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For The Rant...was all for naught.
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Star Trek, to some, was a complete betrayal. Not so much the story, but the failed potential of the entire endeavor. The new Star Trek was a collection of cribbed moments, scenes and dialogue from other, better sources that was directed through a window of such mediocrity that the any hope of enjoyment was constantly undercut.
Captain Kirk's birth? Would have been great, had there been any kind of geography to the battle or had the interior of the Kelvin not obviously been a rehabbed warehouse (complete with concrete structures, large open spaces that make no sense in a spaceship, iron girder-work and refrigerator rooms turned into shuttle entrances).
In fact, the whole design aesthetic is ridiculous, mixing modern or old technology and environments and "futuristic" settings that might have worked in Firefly or Star Wars, but look ridiculous in a Star Trek setting. A lot of the special effects are bad, like the Doctor's horrible Photoshop Eyes in the beginning, the monsters on HOTH and the interior of the villain's ship. The nausea inducing camera work. The badly designed shots. The Beer Vats that appeared in rooms for no reason, like Uhura's listening post. And I haven't even gotten to the meat of the film.
Cadet/Captain Kirk is an idiot and a dick. Chris Pine doesn't imbue Kirk with any sort of emotional arc through the film and he is constantly being rewarded for his being a Prick.
Quinto's laughable performance as Spock is groan-worthy--constantly becoming Sylar at every possible turn. As written and performed, there is very little if any of the character of Spock in him, culminating his blood-thirsty revenge upon the Romulans. Nice.
The rest of the characters are so underdeveloped or underused that they basically get a set-piece each to do something, anything that would explain why they are in the film at all--and all are undercut by those scenes as well.
Scotty is a joke who really must be a miracle-worker as he can do something that has never been done ever in the history of Star Trek--transporting from a stationary planet to a ship hours away--at Warp. Do they even bother for Scotty to use the most powerful Transporter ever developed? No--they use a fucking shuttle Transporter...which is funny, since I didn't think that Shuttles had transporters--and if they did shouldn't the ship be at warp, trying to catch up with the Enterprise? Other than that, Scotty is only used as comic relief and that mainly consists of regurgitating a classic line or interacting with his midget Chewbacca.
Uhura, while expanded from her original role in the end is only Spock's girlfriend. That's it. That's her role. She does move the plot along when she overhears something at Starfleet Academy--but really she only exists to corroborate Kirk's theory, to have a cute little spat with Spock so she can be on the same ship with her boyfriend and to kiss said Boyfriend and be reduced to the "Girl Back Home" during the final fight.
Chekhov, rather than just be the eager young Ensign of the original show is now Wesley Crusher with an accent that is even more ridiculous that Walter Koenig's. His primary function in the movie is to be more of an annoying wunderkind that Wil Wheaton ever was (No wonder WW loved this movie--the pressure is finally off him) and to accidentally kill Spock's mom.
Sulu is basically John Cho, except when he gets to do stunts. There is nothing to his character, at all.
The performances of Kirk's parents were decent, but outside of JTK's naming, not particularly memorable. Sarek and Pike are actually interesting and giving nuanced performances--so of course they are bit players with only a handful of scenes. And then there is poor Nero--the villain. The villain who is so mundane he can't enunciate anything. The villain who waits around for 25 years doing nothing, when if he knew so much about Spock could have attacked him at anytime during his childhood. The villain who's "mining vessel" is so huge and loaded with weapons that easily destroys 47 Klingon ships and the Kelvin. The villain--who's entire motivation can't be bothered with in the film and has to be explained in a comic book.
Don't get me started on the Enterprise, which up until this film was treated as a character--and was shown in shots that actually lasted more than a few seconds. Or the design of the ship, or the previously mentioned use of industrial locations to stand in for not only the bowels of the ship--but seemingly every room that wasn't the bridge. To see the "32rd century" Starfleet uniforms in obvious 20th/21st century settings kept pulling me out of the film.
And the story itself, borrowing heavily from Star Wars (all versions, including the horrendous Prequels), The Lost in Space film from 1998, various Star Treks and every Joseph Campbell-influenced piece of Pap of the last half century.
In short (way too late, I know) I hated this film in the same way Harry hated Terminator Salvation--and just as I have been amazed at how fans have flocked to that film, Harry will watch, horrified, as fans love this new film.
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...I'm in! That movie killed me- and should have been the nail in the coffin for Terminator films. Arnie slipping on a pair of Elton John sunglasses after the "talk to the hand" moment?...horrendous shit indeed. The only saving grace was the last 10 mins in the bunker.
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RE: ChickenGeorge VIIWord.
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May 20, 2009 1:41:05 PM CDT
Harry, you also LOVED INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYST
by moto
You say that if someone who loves the first two terminator movies likes Terminaotr Salvation, something is wrong (paraphrasing here)... I say the same thing to you regarding Indiana Jones. Perhaps your expectations were too high. And regarding your comments about Bale not giving a shit, if there's anyone who DOES give a shit when they're making a movie, it's him. He was the one who nabbed Nolan for a rewrite of the shitty first draft. And your comment about the action being shot by second unit??? Um, a good majority of blockbusters are handled that way. So nice try trying to take another pot shot at McG. But as usual you sometimes fumble over your own words. You didn't like it... fine. But resist those comments about saying that there is something "wrong" with someone who is a terminator fan and likes this new installment. You're no better than the worst dickhead talkbackers you complain about when you say shit like that.
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you need to understand that films existed BEFORE 2003. fucking jackass! enjoy your fucking film, i know itll be hard to watch thru your come-crusted eyes. you know nothing about film. feel free to answer any questions from previous posts, BTW
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Variety's two-fisted reviewer John Anderson!
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You must REALLY hate T2 then!! Gobble away!!!
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reese's and arnold's monologues in T1 and T2 respectively have more emotional impact and gravitas than this entire film. do you still think you're the "big winner"?
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do a search on the site for Harry's review on ARMAGEDDON. I actually do not hold this review against Harry...because as a long time reader that review is quintessial Harry Knowles...And I platonically love him for that. I just found it interesting that he brought up the Animal Crackers scene when I remember him raving about the scene in his review. And of course the crying.
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of intelligent sci-fi.
This film is tiddlywinks
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Nobody's performance in TS is as utterly shitty as Nimoy in the new Star Trek. I can't speak to his previous work, but judging from the new flick... he's fucking terrible. Stop deluding yourselves. If Salvation is a little boring, Star Trek put me to fucking sleep.
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With a nick like that why do you type WITH A BRITISH ACCENT?
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And have it tri-directed by McG, Ratner, and Uwe Boll....
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So AICN give JJ & co group blowjobs then say his movie is great when its total trash and this review sounds like it was written for Star Trek BEFORE the BJ's started!!!! and now McG refuses to pander to AICN so they trash his movie. Yeah right I can give this review credibility......
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Its not your Fathers Terminator!!!
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I would have said more in the Star Trek rant page--but it became such a huge pissing match between the few of us who didn't like it and those stalwart defenders who love the taste of Jonestown Kool-Aid, there wasn't any place or reason to continue.
Now Harry knows what it was like for us. And I say either "Knowing is half the battle" or "Revenge is a dish best served cold". -
...End Of Days.He did two,yes two...
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lol...i must of pressed enter! Anyhow I'm on board with you Harry, I'm saving my $20+ and finishing up The Burning Skies(McG and McBay hands off) this weekend!!!
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Guess what?
McG has now officially joined the likes of Michael Bay, M.Night Shyamalan and Uwe Boll: Welcome to your new found company of incompetent Film Makers who still get work in hollywood.
You are in most deserving company.
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I will NEVER forgive Harry (a.k.a. Oily Mitt) for shitting in your eyes! I just can't!
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1) RE: completely betraying the premise and context that T1 set up. Completely incorrect. And what the fuck are you babbling on about with this “maintaining the middle class family unit” crap? Did you hear that phrase in your socio-economics class?
2) You’ve got it backwards. The whiny teen (sans any “father complex” btw) actually becomes the badass general of the future. As we see quite clearly in the opening shot with an old scarred John on the battlefield. And where did you get John Connor’s love of Guns n Roses from? His friend was the one wearing the Guns n Roses shirt.
3) Nothing “inexplicable” here. In fact, it’s actually explained quite well. The Terminator is still an unstoppable robot assassin from the future. But the badass general of the future reprogrammed him to protect Sarah and his younger self this time. Pay attention.
4) The violence is hardly toned down. The T-1000 gives us plenty of nice gruesome kills. And a few one liners does not a “family friendly comedy” make.
A) This is the only accurate point you’ve made. The T-1000 did not need to have Sarah “call to John”.
B) Why can liquid metal go through time? Because that’s how temporal displacement works. Duh.
Class dismissed.
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We speak Her Majesty's English perfectly, no matter where we come from in our vast northern land. And I have the Queen's word on it. As soon as we take over the Southern Colonies, I get to be the King of Albuquerque.
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Where do i start?
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While I didn't love the new Star Trek film as much as many people did, I was able to at least enjoy it. May I ask what your favorite Star Trek film is? Becasue I'm pretty sure many of the faults you found with the new film can be found in that one as well. Easily.
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There's a reference to Newt in AR when they're holding up the flash cards to the clone Ripley and they show her a picture of a young blonde girl and she starts weeping a bit, remembering something from her past, but can't quite remember. I say it's a "reference" because it does have to do with Newt but they don't mention her (and it was strangely a character moment that the movie needed more of but they deleted).
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I always thought she had a Point Break sequel up her sleeve somewhere. She missed the boat, and the Fast And Furious films stole the boat. Gloriously, I might add.
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Had to join in on the fun here gentlemen; this is turning into a nice little bash Harold TB - haven't had one like this in a good long while. I don't think anyone has mentioned Harry's review of 'Lady in the Water'. Here are a few 'doozies' from that gem: "It is about breaking the real world down and placing it in a ludicrous bit of bedtime illogic. Can you handle that? ... Can you play like a little girl talking to a best friend naked in the shower?" "That said, I fucking loved it." Well done Harold, we can always count on you to trigger a geekquake... Anyone care to post Harry's Godzilla review? Maybe he'll reverse himself again with this one, who knows...
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Her Maj the Queen speaks with it :o)
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Christ on a crutch Harry you took Nearly two pages to get into you're review because you had to tell us all the copies of Terminator you have, what it all meant to you, that you got a gift from MCG, what your wife was doing...ENOUGH.
OH and how about reviewing a movie without giving away EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED!! Man I always knew you were a bad writer but you just can't do anything but stroke yourself and be self important.
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I didn't fall for the idea that JJ's Star Trek was amazing, although thought it was far from the abomination you did (I actually liked the design of Kirk's dad's era as an example). I posted the problems I had with it in another TB - and I shall now cut and paste them here just to be a dick:
Old Man Spock - Nimoy is just too fucking old. He was like a talking corpse and I was just waiting for his false teeth to fall out onto Kirk's shoes.
The crazy bug monster on the ice planet. Just no need for it whatsoever. Take a moment to slow things down and have Kirk actually do something to prove he is intelligent and resourceful rather than just fall over and be found by Dr Exposition who conveniently is in the exact right place in the whole universe at the exact right time to save him and tell him exactly what is going on and what needs to be done.
Screen flares. I read this was because JJ thought the future was so bright it couldn't be contained or some shit. It took me out of the moment and kept reminding me I was watching something on a set that had been recorded into a camera. I much preferred the early stuff with Kirk's dad - that Star Trek world looked very real, lived in and entirey in keeping with the older films. I would have liked them to have kept this look but instead they went for the Apple Store Enterprise. Better than the fakeness of the SW prequels of course, but just take a hint from the original Star Wars - people loved that because it was dirty and grimy and felt real even though it wasn't.
Simon Pegg in the tube. Again just another pointless bit of gubbins to keep the tempo ridiculously high. Its OK to have moments where people aren't running around at full tilt JJ. Just have Pegg materialise in a tank and hey presto you've got a nice little gag without some boring "rescue him from a big tank of something" nonsense. We know he's not going to die because we've seen the trailer where he stands on the bridge. That hasn't happened yet ergo stop all the fucking around.
Why the fuck was Winona Ryder in old age makeup chosen to be Spock's mum? What was wrong with an older actress? Is this to set up "flashback" scenes in future films? I can think of no other reason.
All in all I thought the film was good and shows promise for future films but lessons need to be learnt. Someone compared this film to X1 - lets hope the next film is X2 levels of awesome. I thought X1 was pretty boring but it set everything up to really go crazy in the sequel. I think theres enough talent on show in the this film to think theres a good chance this will happen in the sequel. BUT lets be clear - this Star Trek is no better than a good 7/10 film. They should, and hopefully CAN, do better next time. -
Go Harry. You may have just stopped me from seeing this. I wasn't going to go. Then the trailer blew me away. Now I'm not going.
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Lighting.....ProfessionalDirecting....ShoddyActing (Bale)...Atrocious!!!
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That's why he was constantly beating the shit out of her.
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"and to accidentally kill Spock's mom." I laughed out loud at this...good post, man. Even if T:S totally sucks, it'll still probably be light years ahead of Star Trek...hell, I liked Wolverine more, and that movie was a mess. At least T:S looks like it'll have some cool new robots...
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I feel dirty for reading that.
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This "review" brings up a few points that feel more like a review of a film rather than a rant. Whenever a director goes into making a movie like this, or Star Trek, or Indiana Jones, or some huge geek sensation, they are always "feared" that they will bastardize this loved product. Harry brings up few valid arguments (even if I disagree) and spends most of his time talking about how Terminator is so much more than really well done action and good IDEA. The story lines have NEVER worked in Terminator movies as emotionally heavy. They work to move the story along and the idea of the machines taking over is REALLY cool, but who wasn't annoyed by John in T2? Why give a shit that Kyle loved Sarah in the first one? THAT was a joke. He comes back in time and Sarah thinks he's some crazy bastard who thinks she's hot. She realizes he's telling the truth, and after BARELY knowing eachother I'm told to believe that Kyle and Sarah love each other? Fuck that. I can stretch my imagination sure, but don't try to tell me that Terminator was a love story and not some big, bad ass, sci-fi action film. I don't believe it. I will say that T2 does happen to get more emotion from me (I like the whole Arny acting like a dad to John) but who would rather watch John giving high fives to a T-800 instead of the totally awesome chase scene with the semi-truck and the motorcycles. The most succesful interpretation of the emotion that lies within Terminator universe was in Sarah Connor Chronicles, but that's dead so what now?
Terminator Salvation is NOT as good as one or two. I found the action and story more interesting in this than the third one. Harry's incorrect in saying that Sam Worthington does a bad job; he doesn't. In fact he has more charisma than anyone else in the film. It is NOT Connor's movie, it's Marcus Wright's, make no mistake. Yelchin is pretty good, though I didn't really see how he would grow into the Kyle of the original Terminator. The action is SO much fun and I found myself grabbing my hair and shouting in excitement at the cool factor of several scenes. I didn't think Bale overacted much, maybe a little bit, but keep in mind he is a military man and he is wanting to come off as gruff.
Look, Harrys going to catch a lot of shit for liking Twilight but not this (Twilight was complete trash). This is the second best summer movie thus far and I expect it will be the third best next week. After that, who knows...
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That sure was badly written.
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I feel ya.
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Off topic, though not completely.
Commemorating the 10th anniversary of Phantom Menace Moriarty put up a quite spot-on article over at hitfix. So we know whom we have to thank for the mess this talkback is about.
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Damned, where are those spaces in the urls always coming from? I didn't put that there!
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I'd rather lance a tuma off my cock with a chainsaw than ever seeing this road kill ever-a-fucking-gain. Sitting through this abortion of film was akin to my ass was being fisted by a rusty spiked gauntlet. I’m just glad that this is the fourth movie in the franchise, and that the fuck awful Sperminator 3 managed to kill any enthusiasm for subsequent turds bearing the title “Terminator”. I still maintain the concept of a radioactive nuclear ravaged world where human beings are being gradually snuffed out and are forced to fight for their existence shouldn't be passed on as PG13 kiddy fodder (along with the toy, soft drink and burger king promotion) and should be treated with maturity and intelligence. James Cameron was the only person who could have pulled off the future war and he should have fought tooth and nail to keep this franchise untarnished and not have it pissed away by hacks like Jon Mostow and McG. If anyone of you fucking retards actually enjoyed this film then I’ll mail you my shit and bloodstained gauntlet.
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I looked up WANKER in the dictionary and there was a picture of YOU!! And you were WANKING off!So now, why don't you BUGGER OFF!!!
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out of his ass. The question is does the bathroom still stink?
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Saw screening, courtesy of a friend. It was like bigger-budget Sci-Fi Channel movie.Very lame. Watchable as a "B-Movie," yes. But no better than T3, which I didn't like that much. Hell, the Universal Hollywood Terminator attraction was better than T3 and this new one. Transformers 'Fallen' will have more heart than this did and that's a movie for kids, really. This is supposed to be "adult sci-fi?" Yeah, right.
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I want to ask him what shit he was smoking when he made this travesty of a film.
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The spaces are there on purpose. I believe it was originally intended to keep people from writing garbage and spamming and stuff. Keeps the board looking clean. This is why so many people use tinyurl.com here.
if the board ever gets an overhaul, I can think of a million things to ass to it... ajax aware autorefresh being one of them. Editing, basic markup ( bold, italics, etc ) and quoting would be really nice, but I don't think this is stuff on Harry's mind. Arguably, some of the style of AICN is in its limitations -
You kiss the ass and rave about bullshit movies and then complain when we get good ones. I'm done with your reviews. They just can't be trusted, maybe they never could.
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Scotsman is showing us why most all people (including the English) want to forget that Scotland is part of the UK. Zing!
I really doubt anyone is surprised by this. In fact the only thing I am really surprised about is that Harry actually wrote a negative review. I fully expected that he would soft-peddle it like he's done so often and spend the review making excuses for it instead of giving it the truly negative review it deserves.
I find it amusing how many people thought simply because Bale was in this film that meant it was going to be good. Even the best of actors need a director who knows how to direct. Sorry, McG don’t fit that bill. He’s a 12 year old kid playing with his action figures. There’s no what-so-ever depth to the guy. I’m generally very critical of Harry’s reviews but he said it perfectly in this one when he said, “In both cases, it feels like children playing with material of which they haven’t the slightest grasp of. They can’t conceive of what actually made the material great to begin with. To them, it’s the props, the hardware, the most rudimentary iconography.“
Bale’s performance in this is just sad. The reason for that sad performance is that he didn’t have a director to reign him in when needed, or push him harder when it needed doing. McG does stuff because it’s fucking cool not because it’s what’s needed in the service of telling a great story. I was amazed to see Moriarty barely stop short of getting down and kissing the man’s feet when he interviewed McG a few days back; after all the negative things he’s said about McG in print. He did nothing but toss the man softballs instead of taking him task for what he’s doing with Terminator, as he’s done in print. What a disappointment. I’ll get my Hitfix elsewhere from now on.
The real tragedy here is that most likely, the film is…….ok. Not great, not good, just passable enough to get a large enough audience to see it so that McG can keep making more films. We’ll see T5 and T6 and we’ll get more soulless spectacle with characters we couldn’t give a fuck about because that’s what McG does.
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Haven't been to Austin in decades, but they've been gone from Houston for a long time. I remember collecting the DC Slurpee cups as a kid
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a fucking masterpiece.
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No Schwarzenegger=no sale.
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This is depressing. I love these movies. Even 3. After seeing the trailer, I was ready to push my prejudice aside, and accept DICK-G. Granted, like most of us, I haven't seen it. But, this movie sounds like it may be horrible. It's a shame. What's next? Rebooting a reboot?
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This is why you don't make sequels, or at least not extend them past part 2. This is also the reason why I hope they don't make a Mad Max part 4.
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His score was integral to the first two films. Why wasnt his sirvices secured for 3 and 4. Another reason to hate this film.
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May 20, 2009 2:35:36 PM CDT
HARRY LIKED THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT 2
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
CLOSE THREAD
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Alien Resurrection sucked.
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but I bet this movie's better than VAN HELSING.
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No, of course not, because that dumbfuck cannot tell a story or direct for shit. Sounds like all the acting was Edward Furlong t2 bad. Fuck seeing this.
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Some of you are suggesting his review is swayed by lack of kick-backs, etc, but it agrees with lots of others over at RottenTomatoes. Everything he says rings true - which is sad for all of us, as this could have been great.
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Terminator 1 and 2 (and yes, even parts of 3) layed out before him, it's hard to believe McG couldn't build a better sequel. I'll see it regardless, but now I'll enter the theatre knowing it's going to be more of a letdown than a fresh start with promise. It's a shame. In more capable hands this probably would have been quite good. I think this one might kill McG's career.
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No joke...we'll see how it goes.
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personally i'm so tired of things being blown up that i don't even want them in my action movies anymore. even though the explosions in the dark knight were all pivotal i was still unmoved (mainly because i had seen the hospital blow up like 5000 times on tv before even seeing the movie)...explosions mean shit unless a major character dies or it eliminates something else from the playing field. so the thought of T4 being a good 'blow 'em up' flick means little to me. what i will see it for- as will most of us although we forget that this is why- is the mythos, the time travel paradoxes and the uber-cool creature design as well as i'm really excited to go see what's still practical fx in this one. as long as those things are intact, i will be pleased. i couldn't tell you the last time a character on screen 'moved' me anyway. -
May 20, 2009 2:51:56 PM CDT
Not gonna hate on this movie or the director...... yet...
by pissed off and bitter
But it seems like it's increasingly appropriate to do so. I'll say this: I'm gonna pay ten bucks to see it, it better be better than Wolverine, plus that mute kid better not be a focus in the film. Formulaic bullshit aside, if this sucks, not only will I make McG give me my money back (Seriously, I'll go up to the fucker somewhere in Hollywood or Beverly Hills and tell him to give me my money back). I'm 6'2" so I don't think I really have much to fear....
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Are you trying to trash my movie experience, Harry? That review was fucking distracting. You loved Twilight Harry, like it's been pointed out five hundred times already by other talkbackers. Are you professional or not?
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A ruthless, insincere, utterly inhuman and emotionless deceiver who has gone back and tried to destroy that which I love with revisionist history. Who said some shit in an interview about how the theme of Terminator has something to do with whether or not Christopher Reeve was human. Which is still cracking me up. McG, let's fucking face it: you can't direct sports movies, or action movies. But you can direct 2 hr long commercials for garbage like adaptations of 70s tv shows. Give it the fuck up. You have no fucking clue what Terminator is or what it should be about.
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"He’s got his own take on the material and it is BORING, UNINVOLVING, and without a single iconic moment. His performance is FLAT, and this is an actor I love on film, but not this time." Umm, when ISN'T Bale like this? What film was he not this way? (Yes, including the much-worshipped "Dark Knight".) This is very disappointing, but I can't say that I'm surprised about Bale's performance.
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A.O. Scott actually seems to have liked it for the most part. At the very least, he seemed genuinely surprised that it wasnt a total piece of shit. To me that warrants a matinee. After a bonghit or two natch...
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Critical opinion is just that. An opinion. And you know how that old saying goes. I've said it before, but the esteemed Roger Ebert stated in review that he hated The Thing as "barf bag movie of the year", and called Videodrome "the most unenjoyable movie he's seen". But, we can disagree, because that's HIS opinion, not mine. And in the end, thats all it is.
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Hatchet was a really fun movie to watch. It had great over the top violence and a good amount of comedy that actually worked. Next to 30 Days of Night it's my favorite horror flick of the last few years.
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A Terminator movie with a huge budget, Stan Winston's work, Christian fucking Bale... And yet the reviews unanimously say that Bale's performance is weak and monotone, that there's a cute little token black kid who's MUTE (goddamn this is beyond hilarious), that one of the first lines of dialogue is "so that's what death tastes like"... And goddamn just wait till you see what happens at the end of the film. Bale or no Bale, a man I fucking worship and am kinda gay for, I wouldn't trust McG as far as I could drop him at my fucking feet headfirst so he stops spreading his douche butter all over my awesome toast.
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"sent my wife into a 7-11 to get me a Slurpee cup for the TERMINATOR SALVATION movie" excercise yo. Did you not get invited to the press screening this time?
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in any other movie it seems like that would be an element that harry would love....and he'd tell us about the golden age of silent film, and all of the silent chaplin and keaton-esque characters in movies that serve a greater purpose and represent the hand of fate or guardian angels or something with their 'always there when you need them, with tool in hand, thankless' personality. or he'd regale us with childhod memories about how he was a prop boy who was ordered not to speak on the set of some obscure straight to beta film his parents landed him a gig with in the 70's..even in this movie it sounds like a decent running gag. T2 had far more impossible humor in it.
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Right now... I’m at a loss of words. But I will try to voice some for you.
Some spoilers may slip out over the course of this review, and I want to give you fair warning because quite frankly, I’m not able to be responsible for what I may type below because.... I currently have so much more to say than I can type in a night or two about this film. Consider yourself warned.
You’ve been reading about my experiences leading up to this night for the last three and a half years. The anticipation, the hopes, the dreams, the terror... Could it live up to the mythology that I created in my mind around the films I grew up with?
What am I going to write about this film now that I’ve seen it?
Today and tonight while I waited in that monstrosity of a line, I had a fear.... A gigantic fear named JAR JAR BINKS. I’ve been terrified of this character since that night in Claridges in London back in August of last year when I read the script. I felt that he was very much an Alien Jerry Lewis clone, and that scared me to death.
After all, what the hell is Jerry Lewis doing as the third main character in a Star Wars movie, right?
When I read Moriarty’s review of THE PHANTOM MENACE, it scared me. You see, among all the people I knew that had read that script, only Moriarty and I agreed on Jar Jar. We liked him.
But when Moriarty ‘had problems’ with him.... Well... ya know, I got scared. I began hedging my bets on whether or not I’d love this movie.
Jar Jar was more evil and scary to me than Jaws, Linda Blair, that evil clown doll from Poltergeist, the carpet from THE SHINING and all of THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT. Jar Jar began representing the Otis (from Superman) of this new Star Wars film.
But.... Guess what?
Mesa Luved Him!
When I first read Jar Jar’s scenes I was terrified because.... well whenever Jar Jar did something, I imagined the solitary focus being upon Jar Jar.
That is not the case. There are other people, creatures, things going on at the same time. Not only that... But, I saw something in Jar Jar today that... well, I didn’t expect to see.
The Gungans are a warrior based community, but ya know what? Jar Jar is a hippie. He doesn’t want to go to war. He doesn’t want to fight. He’s an awkward fella that probably wanted to be an artist or an actor, but was raised to believe he was a warrior. When he realized that... he started subconciously screwing up, trying to call attention to himself... or to be banned from his people so he could... Live the life of an independent soul.
But lo and behold, he ends up being drafted into service by his customs and traditions to be dragged all over the galaxy by a pair of Jedi. This isn’t what he wants to do in life, but it is the path he is set upon. What’s bizarre though is that I saw a parallel between Jar Jar and Much, The Miller’s Son from THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD. Herbert Mundin, like Jar Jar, was saved then owed a life debt to Robin Hood. Then he is extremely goofy, not exactly funny, but he’s a goof. At the big fight at the end of the film.... Well, he’s clumsy and a bit stupid, but... he helps save the day, also like Planchet from THE THREE MUSKETEERS. In a way, I was a bit reminded of Jackie Chan’s battlefield antics, but as if it were Buster Keaton trapped out there, who’s dumb luck just manages to save him and make him a hero. Kinda like Chaplin in THE GREAT DICTATOR.
I can’t believe I liked Jar Jar, don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe he’s the Best thing in the film.... far from it, but for some ghastly reason... I like the guy.
But ya know... That’s just part of the film, a very small part.
In a lot of ways, my brain is frazzled. I sat in that theater with a goofy smile on my face and my eyes and brain trying as hard as I could not to miss anything.
When I read the script, I told people I know that the movie could go either way. This is the way I wanted that script to go. There was a lot of interesting tidbits cut out like Bail Organa’s supporting of Queen Amidala’s vote of no-confidence, and the moments where General Zod discusses the betrayl with Palpatine. There was the naming of C3PO scene gone. The point where Anakin tells Padme that he will marry her. (a scene that sent chills through me in the script, but that I could see being awful if it wasn’t performed just right.) Originally Jar Jar was to pilot the Bongo, Jar Jar had a scene where his butt caught on fire, and... his hi-jinks were much much more in the 3rd draft.
By the way, I really dug Anakin too. For me, he was just a normal enthusiastic kid, which.... for me is terrifying because... Quite frankly it means any of us could become Darth Vader. This isn’t PECK’S BAD BOY, this is Andy Hardy going to the Dark Side! This kid represents Hitler as a child. Did Hitler run around stomping bugs, kicking dogs, soaking cats in gasoline and setting them ablaze.... Or did he draw and play? Well.... Anakin builds things, races and has a group of friends. He’s.... ultra-normal in a human sense. And I like that.
And... There was always just a taste of Darth Maul. Something that I’m willing to bet disappoints a lot of Star Wars fans. But for me, there is a reason for Darth Maul’s brief time in the Star Wars universe. You see. He’s been training and training and training forever. Being conditioned to kill Jedi, but... he’s never once done it. He’s like a gun that has never been fired, never really having been tested.
When he’s been given the mission to kill these two Jedi, it’s kinda like the first search and kill mission that a Green Beret goes on. He might be so eager for first blood that when he gets it.... He gets a bit too cocky.
Everybody has always invested too much with Darth Maul, for me, he’s there to make Darth Vader look WAY cooler. Maul was a single minded pit bull, Darth Vader was the dark lord of the Sith.... If you build Maul to be waaaay too cool, then you take away from Vader. Maul served his purpose, he’s here to tell us.... “Dude, the clone wars are gonna be cool!” but not much else.
Also, he’s there to make Obi Wan look like an utter badass, eh? I mean, come on... Ewan is like sooooo cool in this movie. I loved him. He is definately my favorite character of the film.
Palpatine was fantastic. Sure, he’s there just a tidbit, but like Vincent Price’s Cardinal Richelieu in the old Gene Kelly THE THREE MUSKETEERS... wow.... He’s played with a thick foam of slyness, the fox, and man.... When he pats ol Anakin on the shoulder and says he’ll be following his career with much interest. Chills man. Total chills.
As for characters like Ric Ollie and Captain Panaka... They are just set dressing. They don’t necessarily add or take away for me. They just exist here. I can’t wait to see this movie with a gaggle of kids some morning.
This film does alot of utterly fantastic things, but there is a lot of room for improvement. Lucas’ characters need a bit more depth, but you know what... I feel a bit like Emperor Joseph II telling Mozart, to take out a few notes and it’ll be perfect. I am so sated by this first viewing that.... I’m pleased as punch. Relieved as can be. I’m a happy camper.
After the film, it was 2:30am. Everyone and their brother filed out into the lobby and everyone began talking about the film. Some people, notably the guys wearing Darth Maul make up seemed let down. While others wore smiles etched into their faces. Others left, working their ways home where they could gather their thoughts and process exactly whatever it was that they had just seen.
Me.... and my friends. We talked about the film till 6a.m. alongside the theater. I was quiet mainly. Listening to what people loved and hated about the film.
People seem split on Anakin, some feel the Gungans are worse than Ewoks, others love them. Everyone wanted Darth Maul to kill 70 people (except for me) and people wanted less goofy stuff.
Most everyone in the group that stuck around had a blast with the film, but had nitpicks here and there.
Some in the group had no idea what they thought. They had steered clear of spoilers, had utterly no idea what to expect, and.... they had sooooo much to process that they were left with statements like, “I loved it when the light saber was stabbed in that door!” and “Ya know... Jar Jar wasn’t as bad as I thought, but he still sucked!”
Where does this film stand against the earlier films. I’ll really be able to answer that in a year. After I’ve seen the film 20 times. And even though I knew just about everything that was going to happen.... I didn’t once the film started. I just let the movie take me. And it did.
Now.... Now I’m left with the thoughts that about the next films. I’m not real sure of the importance of Naboo, but I’m willing to be that we’ll see a lot of damage here. Jar Jar and his people may not be around too long. His life debt has been payed, and he’s no longer tied to anyone. Will Darth Sidious take another apprentice before Vader.... Is Sidious the Emperor? Sure the next film will be romantic, but there is also a war waging.
My god, I’m trapped in this. I’m so utterly love smitten. I was afraid tonight. Instead, I saw a really wonderful adventure. A fairy tale that told of a galaxy far far away. I guess I’m still a kid, because when I came home this morning... I didn’t update, I didn’t even go online. I just played with my toys. Holding them, and trying to figure out what their place in things were.
I don’t know about you, but the whole Jedi Council pan at the end of the film.... Had a lot of forboding attached to it.
And right now, I want to apoligize to the folks that hate this movie. I don’t. I genuinely loved it. Yes, I’m a STAR WARS fan. Yes, I overlooked the hilarity, which while I enjoyed it, I hope that it gets toned down to almost nothing in the coming films.
I could feel the people in the room disliking elements of this movie. Afterwards I heard some people talking about a movie that was just a big fight between Darth Maul and Boba Fett and... I realized how that is what a lot of us have become.
Why waste time with characters like C3PO, JAR JAR, WATTO, etc... Let’s just get to the meat. No veggies please. I want dramatics with the characters that interest ME! I don’t want all this silly stuff, I want three dimensional characters!
That’s why you’re gonna love THE LORD OF THE RINGS that Peter Jackson is working on. Every complaint that STAR WARS fans have with this film, is not in Peter’s film. Peter is a fan, like us, that wants to take things to the next level, and ultimately... George is still at the same level he was at before.
He’s still making popcorn confection like nothing you’ve ever eaten. It’s like the best bowl of Frosted Flakes that you have ever eaten. When you put in the bananas, added some sugar and.... you know what... You ate the whole box while watching your favorite Saturday Morning Cartoons (Scooby Doo, Space Ghost, Dungeons & Dragons, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, Blue Falcon, etc).
Sure he tells us that he’ll bring us a fine wine with an excellent banquet, but this time he just skipped to dessert. Will we get our meat and potatoes? Will we open up a fine Merlot? Will the story deepen? I’m willing to bet it will. I enjoyed this serving of Flintstones Vitamins.
I’m going to see this film alot. But now, more than ever, I’m dying to see LORD OF THE RINGS. And... I’m dying to see this one.... again.
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HAHAAHAHAH. No fuckin way. Seriously. Was she put there for Pizza Hut fans? Or were the screenwriters like "man, how do you black children talk?"... "I dunno, let's make her mute so it's like she's scarred by the intensity of this Children of Men movie we wanna rip off". "Hey remember that time we made 7 figures writing cat puns for Halle Berry?" "Yeah, let's do some more blow".
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McG gets some blame for that. A good director wouldve kicked Bale's ass into gear on the 1st day
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should be printed IN FULL in the merriam-webster dictionary as the definition of SMARMINESS
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Granted that's with 3,000 votes but still it's not God awful.
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...than what the f*ck are you doing reading "Aint It Cool News"? I'm not saying he's wrong or right about his opinion of the flick, just trying to give y'all some perspective here.
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Episode 1 rocked.
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you gotta remember though, the Dark Knight was sponsored by Domino's for christ's sake and i don't remember you guys bitching about that one. at least neither were mcDonald's or burger king fodder like- oh, i dunno- star trek?! (although the 'KING-ons' are hilarious and creepy)...these are the times we live in. at least pizza joints cater to the college audience and not the kiddie meals.
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And yet the reviews unanimously say that Bale's performance is weak and monotone, that there's a cute little token black kid who's MUTE (goddamn this is beyond hilarious), that one of the first lines of dialogue is "so that's what death tastes like".
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I actually want to see it more after that purile diatribe from the Ginger Godzilla. This site makes me laugh (in a bad way) some times
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If i could do that,do you think I'd be on here wasting my time reading comments by wankers like you?
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Rickey's still moderately excited for this movie. Shame they gave away the twist about Worthington's character though.
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Harry's death hammer falls on McG's head. McG rubs his head slightly and continues making Terminator films.
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McG, born Joseph McGinty, was found dead today in West Hollywood aged 54 after a tragic accident at a skatepark while he was attempting to do BMX tricks. Although he found early success directing music videos for men with soul patches and frosted tips which he parlayed into the stupid but fun Charlie's Angels, in later life McG decided he was some kind of auteur and after aborted attempts to make a Superman movie he was too chickenshit to get on a plane to make (no seriously, I'm not making this up) and Hot Wheels: The Motion Picture he directed the most forgettable ham handed sports movie in recent memory that made Friday Night Lights look like the work of Bresson. In a last ditch attempt to be a director who gets paid a lot of money, he conned everyone into thinking he could make a Terminator film, a film notable for its utter shittiness and for tying in the Terminator mythos with Pizza Hut and mute token minority children (in his biography, McG would assert that it was a clever cinematic reference to the girl in Jurassic Park 2 who does the gymnastics to kill a raptor, a moment he described as "when I saw cinema as truth, as an intense divine rapture"). Following the 69% boxoffice dropoff the second weekend for Terminator Salvation as word spread of its shittiness, Christian Bale was found weeping, determined to never again work with someone who got their start directing videos for Smashmouth. After failed attempts to get to the screen such not very loved properties as "Fastlane: The Motion Picture" and "The OC: Imax Experience" and "Sectaurs: Salvation" McG attempted to return to music videos, not realizing that budgets for such are now about $2000 and involves shooting ironic douchebags on cellphones. Sadly, perhaps too old to BMX, he tragically died Wednesday. He is survived by his family, but had no wife, although he did tell sources that during the making of Charlie's Angels Drew Barrymore's boob brushed against him twice, and he had found some killer fake nudes of Lucy Liu on AOL.
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Good Christ!
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...I had to give Harry's review a read. Unfortunately, I couldn't take anymore, approximately half-way in. --I'll be looking for more reviews, as I had considered seeing the midnight movie. (McG, it appears that you have let me down, BIG TIME.)
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Was that good or bad?:D
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Without blow many of Hollywood's best films never would have been made. Hell, the entire 70's New Hollywood Movement would be missing.
So instead of saying that maybe QT, McG or the screenwriters should do less blow, MAYBE we should be saying they should do more lines. -
I never even saw "Dark Knight." Is it good? I am not a fan of the Ledger. One word "A Knight's Tale"
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In Eberts review,he reveals he's never seen `The Terminator`!
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Blasphemy or accurate???
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blow + egos of the 70s who were angry and not apathetic about the Vietnam war and didn't want to recycle their comfortable middle class childhood by remaking the fuck out of everything was good. Coke and its bloated importance with people who talk on and fucking on about Joseph Campbell but have never read the Odyssey or the Bible and want to remake everything and come from an empty vacuous culture where there's a war going on they ignore but they think hours at Halo 3 make them able to viscerally represent darkness in life... Bad.
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The actor playing Harry seemed more likeable than the real Harry...
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I'm not saying it is always good. I'm just saying you give me and 8-ball and I've got a pretty good chance of going home with a stripper.
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i can smell the oily, thinning scraggly orange hair that sticks to the vinyl seat of the scooter... the clammy sweaty skin, moist from the efforts of breathing, stuck to the vinyl seat of the scooter...the breath of the triple stomach bypass gullet that still sucks down corn syrup to this day even though we all told him to lay off the sodas...and i just don't even have pity, or jealousy, or anything for this guy anymore. his opinions are worth a read for their almost bi-polar childlike glee or bitter rage, but other than that, offer nothing to sway my opinion of anything. god bless Yoko, i suppose. that's all i can say. probably the only thing keeping him from becoming a wanna-be supervillain or something....the Mechanized Ginger Nightmare.
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your points are moot. 1--the first terminator was not about apocalyptic survival, it was about trying to get away from a robot in the present day. T2 is a rare sequal that actually extends the premise. the fact that the film takes 10 years after the first means the child has been born without a father figure in his life, his mother is more preoccupied with saving humanity than raising her son "normally". there is no family unit to speak off, unless you mean the foster parents. the main theme of the film is that IRONICALLY the central father figure in his life is the EXACT thing determined to destroy mankind. rather than be untrusting like his mother, he allows the machine to help them and see that FATE IS WHAT WE FUCKIN MAKE! by teaching the robot humanity, his mother restores hers. 2--what the fuck is your problem with GNR?? the song that you are referring to is in the film for about 5 seconds as they zip around on his dirtbike..it's not an overblown montage like you'd hope for sorry. 3--father figure comment see above. hes still an unstoppable assassin, dipshit. you might note that he was programmed and sent back John and the resistance to PROTECT present day John. 4--violence is not toned down. as with terminator, if you watch T2 on tv they edit shit out, why would they do that if its pussy ass shit??? him need ing to have sarah calll to john..i dunno at that time he was already beginning to malfunction so maybe he needed to hear her to copy. They never did clarify when they sent these 2 terms back...maybe they perfected the technology to send back t1000. if you wanna nitpick and pull shit outta your ass, i can go all day. You say you LOOOOVE Aliens, so one quick one, if you please? How does the T800-John dynamic differ than the Newt-Ripley? one is a father figure. one a mother figure. ENLIGHTEN ME! and NOW school is out.
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Ok, you've got a point drturing
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and the FAILURE will be complete
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in which a huge action scene is played 320x200 resolution for pizza hut fans, thus diluting any of its worth or awesomeness so pizza can be sold, you'll see that it's the 2nd unit action director who's calling all the shots and directing the sequence. if you dig out your T2 laseerdiscs you'll see Jim Cameron sitting on the LA pavement with a bunch of toy cars showing the crew just how this truck bmx chase is going to go down. McG "didn't see it happen" cause he was probably trying to hit on someone on set instead of making a good fucking movie. He's a slimy lying charlatan. As harsh as I'm being, don't ever fucking tell me you have Jim Cameron's blessing when you don't.
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That review was emberassing.
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And 98% of why Bay's films stink.
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shit, see, it's just like the theme of the first Terminator films. Coke in itself is not bad. It's what you do with it.
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personal attacks based on appearance have nothing to do with movie reviews, and i apologize. i just get so mad when people don't appreciate (or possibly, over-indulgently appreciate?) what they have in life....fame, website, hollywood connections, young asian wife....that they either do their job based on what freebies they are given, to the point where to get us to take them seriously they have to post pictures of tickets they- GASP- BOUGHT!- or else they pick apart everythign else that doesn't fit into the fanatical fan universe of miniatures and memorabelia they live in. i want a review site. i have an opinion. and i'm a pretty grounded human being. that's all i'm sayin'.
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Indeed,it came across as the ramblings of a senile old man!
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his films aren't even funny enough to suggest he was awake making them. i mean, maybe he sniffs airplane model cement, maybe. but i bet he does no drugs. PTA on Magnolia, though... Shit... And obviously Punch Drunk Love was all about weed and therapy and xanax.
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the Furlong should have been in this movie...
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I'm in for the blow/peelers extravaganza.
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McG has admitted he cut a scene with Moon Bloodgood's boobs. Fuck you McG, the one organic special effect that no Transformers or Star Trek was gonna give us this summer... But I bet her luscious orbs didn't match up with the whole synergistic Pizza Hut thing.
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All the good directors she had worked with were big on coke. The needed it because it was an upper to keep them going on set and during the shoot.
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Scorsese + Coke + Coke = New York, New York.
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May 20, 2009 3:27:47 PM CDT
Moriarty + Weed = those reviews where he even praises the extras
by drturing
remember when McWeeny used to do like 40k word reviews on movies like "Equillibrium"? I wonder if he was stoned.
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Edward Furlong should have been Reese.
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I just watched that for the 1st time... thanks for saving me $10, Harry!
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...a coke and booze TB. Everyone is required to do lines and get shitfaced while posting.
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Coke may help.
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May 20, 2009 3:30:23 PM CDT
The thing is, wait'll you see this film before bitching at Harry
by drturing
there's some seriously groanworthy moments you aren't aware of yet. You'll see. And that ending...
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20,000 posts for a Twilight TB. In six fucking hours.
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May 20, 2009 3:32:33 PM CDT
BTW, subversive humor should be part of the Terminator movies
by drturing
that would've been REALLY funny if Skynet had based its first infiltrator unit on what the governor of California circa the aughts looked like. Remember the whole interchange with Arnold cutting his eye out and the computer choosing "fuck you asshole"? And Bale's character deserved to have a smartass sense of humor. People who survive in grim scenarios are full of it. Fuck, the darkest jokes I've ever heard in my life are from nurses and EMTs.
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Let's see...so many options.
1)Harry managed to review a movie, and in telling us about it, insert more cock than Watchmen, more feces than the South Park "World's Biggest Turd" episode and equate the movie to an act of power over another deliver thru the act of sex. Did I miss anything important? Didn't think so.
2)McG is short for his mother's maiden name of McGinty. It's a nickname that stuck and got used for his stage name. So no actor has ever had a stage name before? Has McG actually changed his name legally to McG? To my knowledge it is just a stage name. Let his body of work speak for itself. If you are getting so bent out of shape over his name you are fucking stupid. If you hate him for his body of work being poor in your opinion cool.
3)Scotsman, I'm still unclear, could you begin from the beginning, enunciate clearly and explain it all over again? Thanks.
4)America is a collection of states that were originally independent of each other and formed 2 completely different countries when the Confederacy broke away from the Union. Union beat them down and they re-merged, but there are still idiots in the south who will refer to northerners as "yanks" and yell retarded shit like "The South will rise again" when it's mostly southern states in the worst condition nationally talking about not accepting Obama's money. Yeah, that's a great fucking idea. Make your state stay in a depressed economic situation b/c someone from the other side of the aisle is offering help to your people.
5)The US has states that are bigger than the countries that make up the United Kingdom. Just as many accents (if not more) can be found.
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Did everyone forget T 3. That had ARNIE in it, and it still sucked!!
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i miss being shouted at from whatever earthen basement in the rolling hills of scotland he was coming from, trying to educate us about the borders of the UK in a place that could give a poop. and unless your homeland was small and shouty, why else would you name yourself after where you came from? you don't see me calling myself 'americanman76'. that would be as internet ghey as it gets.
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A) He probably isn't a bad guy. I mean, he might be a douche and a dumb director, but you probably would have more fun hanging out with him than 90% of the directors out there (definitely nicer than Bay).
B) He actually will probably start get better than most other directors because he gets more chances. While more talented people than him are struggling to get a movie made, he will probably continue to get gigs and because of that set experience on big budget movies. I don't care how much better some young filmmaker are than him, if that guy has only got two independent movies with budgets less than $1 million under his belt it will be hard for him to come in and blow away McG who will probably soon have thousands of on set experience working on $100 million dollar movies.
McG is like the son of a guy coaching a football team. He keeps his son in at QB giving him all the snaps and practice, while a better kid sits on the bench and his skills and talents go undeveloped.
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May 20, 2009 3:36:55 PM CDT
Don Simpson + White Vader + Plastic Surgery addiction =
by stuntcock mike
Deservedly dead.
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CABIN FUCKING FEVER.
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Is officially coke and booze day. Anyone not snorting and drink is dead to me, professionally.
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Yup, I knew it! I knew this movie wasn't going to be about shit. Thank you, Harry. Now, I can go see Harry Potter and not worry about this. I knew when they put Christian Bale in it, it wouldn't be shit. He's Batman, and that's as far as I'll go with him. They should have got the original John Conner from T2.
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these are just the kind of goofy jock-types who end up swinging at you after eight Miller High Lifes when you make a comment on his Wife's "amazing" boob job.
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Thanks to chuffster uk for reminding us of Harry's Phantom Menace review, which ends with: "Go.... Have fun.... be a kid again...."
If I remember correctly, he also defended the shit-fest Van Helsing by saying that it's great if you imagine you're a kid having a sugar-rush (or something similar) when you watch it.
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You've seen the film, too?BTW - you've been on a Talkback roll lately. Fun stuff.
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I agree Mike.
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while McG might get drunk in a bar and try to hit on my sister, Bay would just have one of his people rufee her and then he'd fuck her in his limo and leave her in an alley unconscious and bukkake'd. mcG may be a douche, but he's one of the guys. Bay is an arrogant raper of childhoods who make you watch while he's doing it.
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Meet you at the bottom.
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nice guy but has no business directing a movie like this. I still can't believe the studio thought it was a good idea to give him a Terminator movie. bummed.
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Not to "hype" HitFix but have you seen Moriarty's interview with McG? I think you may find it interesting and entertaining based upon your statements about him in your previous post.
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Earlier this year, I thought this summer was going to rock, movie-wise. Now I'm thinking Star Trek is going to be the only decent genre flick to come out, at least until August. I was kinda looking forward to Transformers until I saw the new TV spot with the "BUMBLEBEEEEEEEEEE!" scream, and some kind of redneck looking Autobot with buck-teeth saying, "IT'S UPGRADE TIME!"... Looks like this one will have more of the shit that I disliked from the first film. Oh, well... As for Terminator Salvation, I guess I'll check it out this weekend, but Harry has already been spot-on concerning the festering turd that was Wolverine. I honestly think McG was just the wrong choice for this film. I can't believe the studio hired him...
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I agree about McG taking a swing at you. He radiates insecurity and sooner or later he will take something you said about him as a personal attack.
Going with the sports angle, he is like the guys I played college football with that were pretty bad and always took anything someone said as a challenge to their manhood.
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May 20, 2009 3:41:50 PM CDT
"That the first TERMINATOR was a love story first and foremost"
by lord_byron_farthammer
LOL! Yeah, and Predator was first and foremost a commentary on Cold war geopolitical realities.
Idealize the past much? Geez. And T2 was T1 with a bunch of stolen concepts from "Short Circuit". You could practically hear "Number Five is alive!!!" echoing in the background as they lowered Arnie into the molten metal.
Both were great movies, but high cinema they were not. Much like Star Wars, people look back and apply layers that just weren't there. Nostalgia's getting the better of you Harry. -
I can't believe no-one has pointed out that Skynet cannot kill Kyle. If Kyle Reese doesn't exist to go back to 1984, then the T-800 won't follow him, the tech won't be used by Miles Dyson and his cronies. I know all that stuff was destroyed at the end of T-2, but then the US Air-Force took over development of the SKYNET project and judgement day happened at the end of T-3.
A whole bunch of dominoes wouldn't fall if Kyle Reese is killed before he can go back. So, SKYNET isn't going to wipe out the history which let to it's current state identity, is it?
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I'm going to check it out.
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Every single review, whether he loved or hated the film, he's accused of not getting any incentives to publish a positive review. I have to say that the man has some pretty fucked up taste and that speaks a lot of honesty to me. No one here has ever hated a film with every inch of their being like Harry has with T4 (it wasn't THAT bad but that's just me)? Or given a film a free pass just because it made the smile a little and they could relate like Harry did with Marley & Me? All I know about Harry is what he writes and he seems to be genuine if a little pretentious and cocky. Can someone link me to the last set visit that was even published here? Yeesh. It's because of uncivil sites like these that film producers stopped trying to generate any buzz whatsoever outside of viral marketing.
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than McG. Although I'd probably die trying to keep up with that snowblower.
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4 stars in Empire and in Total Film in the UK
We don't get it until June 3 due to Sony distributing it over here and not wanting to open it the week after the shit-fest that is their very own Angels & Demons. -
And how all she really wanted in life was an ounce of blow and Steve McQueen's schlong.
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Any Terminator thread has Laserpants and his anti-T2 rant. I still don't get how very minor points of the film gets under his skin. I mean the horror a preteen John Connor listening to the most popular band in 1990. I don't know how people didn't walk out because of the 30 seconds of "You could be mine" was on the screen. Or Laser's obsession with the T-1000 making Sarah call to John when it was well implied in the theatrical release and outright shown in the Director's cut that the T-1000 was damaged when it got frozen by the liquid nitrogen. Were there plot holes in T2, yes like many if not most great scifi movies. We can nitpick about a lot of the classics. I mean how can the Death Star be this impregnable fortress that can withstand anything anyone can throw at them be destroyed completely by a bomb that is small enough to be carried on an X-wing fighter and dropped in a 3 meter hole in the Death Star. If was so easy to destroy the Death Star by that hole why not protect it better. (ok, I am stealing this from the Family Guy)? Or (sticking with Star Wars) how about Obi Wan Kenobi faking out Darth Vader and the rest of the galaxy to thinking he is dead by changing his name to Ben Kenobi? Or how about Charlton Heston's Taylor from Planet of the Ape never thinking that since all the Apes speak Americanized English that he might be in Future New York and not some other planet? For that matter, how about all the movies over the last 50 or so years where the aliens inexplicitly speak perfect english? Or how about a Mac being able to set off a computer virus on alien ship in Independence Day (ok, clearly not in the same class of the other movies) when at the time a Mac and PC couldn't even interact with each other?
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terminator wins. why? because transformers has a bag of M&M's made just for them. the flavor? STRAWBERRIED PEANUT BUTTER. i fuck you not. HOWEVER- since crystal skull introduced the mint crisp m&m- which is sweet delicious CRACK even though the movie sucked, perhaps the horrid transformers m&m's mean a good movie?also, countless geeks are going to go see transformers just for megan fox...and while she is gorgeous, she is also coldy pretty in the same way so many pornstars are that look just like her that you can see HAVING SEX for free online. why would you want to pay $12 just to see Fox in transformers and secretly rub your pants under the popcorn bag so the family of 6 beside me can't see-- when you could just stay at home and whack it to actual nude women? bay is just the pimp owner of the strip club where Fox works... only there's no touching and she never takes anything off. enjoy that, fellas.
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Could it be that James Cameron has seen the new Terminator, or knows something negative about the film, in total, or in part? Perhaps, Harry is projecting something glmpsed, but not spoken, by Cameron...at least not publicly?
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I would have been better to point out that Skynet is afraid to do this, fearing eliminating its own existence. ( even if movie-science-universe wise it is or isn't true ) The problem is disrupting Kyle *at all* may have prevented him from going through the time chamber.
SCC dealt with this pretty well, establishing that future changes have occurred because of "new" changes in the past. Subsequent people to have come back in time have had different experiences. Presumably the SCC story was aiming to illustrate that FATE is real and that it doesn't matter how often you try to change it, Skynet is destined to exist in some form. -
Where's the Empire review mate?
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Shit-Movie sense was tingling. Looks like I was right.
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That Obituary had me crying, man. Great stuff.
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I would love to do coke with Lindsey Lohan. See if I could do some titty bumbs.
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Found it:)Strange how the UK mags are raving yet US reviewers are hating eh?
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May 20, 2009 3:52:50 PM CDT
Media Messiah that would be poor form and possibly worse
by murdermostfowl
No one wants the studio suing because Cameron comes out and says it sucks donkey balls on opening night. His words could do real damage to the film, and even if they couldn't successfully sue him for slander, why would he want to rock the boat? In fact his best move is to remain utterly silent on this, and later, when it bombs... come by and whisper... pssst, hey are you sure you don't want to listen to me about Terminator?
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You ever read Easy Riders & Raging Bulls?
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..be back tomorrow,have fun,loves ya all!LOL
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Check out the Evans doc The Kid Stays in the Picture. Cocaine is a helluva drug.
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X3, and T3 would be heralded as great films. That goes to show you how low hollywood has really sunk. So far we're 1 for 3 in this years round of summer blockbusters. The only movie that will truly deliver is ROTF.
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Only 53 reviews (probably will have 200 or so when everything is said and done), but the majority of the reviews are on track with Harry. Granted movie critics and the general public don't always (or usually) agree on big budget actioners, but the general consensus is that Harry is on spot.
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i trust the european/uk opinion on sci-fi more than i do america's.
on a side note, don't forget McG and Full Throttle introduced us to a young, jew-fro'd shia lebouf riding dirtbikes. and i remember the cast saying how this unknown kid was going to be the next big thing. now, I don't hate mcG, but if you guys who do want to equate mcg with shia and everything that is wrong with movies now, there's an arguement starter for ya. -
Another film to which he adds absolutely nothing and is up-staged by any one of his co-stars.
Balebackers have always been a sneering, ironic bunch, but even they must, at some point, start to expect something from this mumble-mouthed turd.
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I see your point, but it seems on many fronts that this film flies in the face of the Sarah Conner Chronicles.
I still say my explanation above still shoots a few holes in one major problem Harry has with the film, or at least gives an extremely valid out for the screen-writer on this single point.
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Anything to do with 70s films and blow and I am there, and The Kid Stays in the Picture had both.
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May 20, 2009 3:59:59 PM CDT
Substitute the words, "Terminator Salvation" with "The Dark Knig
by lanemyersclassic
you'll have my review of the "The Dark Knight." Thank you Harry!
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well, well, well. This must be the worst film ever committed to celluloid.
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I'll take any and every opportunity to jack of to Tiffani Thiessen that comes my way.
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May 20, 2009 4:00:49 PM CDT
Lucas came up with The Force when he was high on morphine...
by fa_tass_dinomolester
after he wrapped his car around a telephone pole. So, apparently, to get anything more worthwhile out of Noodle-Necks, we need to get him completely fucked up! Who wants to volunteer to drive up to the Ranch and wait outside George's house with a blowdart laced with LSD? PS, other people who benefited from the use of illegal narcotics: The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Jack Kerouac, Lewis Black, and Bill Maher to name a few. Yep, those drugs sure are some evil crap...
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Bale works in mysterious ways. I am sure he has a higher purpose when he made this disappointing film.
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I want to be pissed off as well. Hell, I'm already pissed off that this movie is PG-13. Seriously, I'm considering just seeing Night at the Museum 2...
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There's another Terminator Salvation review over at www.mymavra.com. Fuck the embargo!
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Empires review:
http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=10354
Total Films review:
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for anyone who is so stuck on nitpicking any diversion from their own personal idea of terminator mythos.
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The films should have stopped after T2, the way Cameron wanted it. I have a real problem with what has happened to this series. Unlike other franchises that are adaptations, the Terminator was an original creation. It's Cameron's thing, and anything beyond what he's done is just a money grab.
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As soon as McG was announced as the director...wack
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He wants TS to do ok so that Sam Worthington is established as a star before Avatar comes out and respect for the guy. Cameron seems to really really love Worthington and have a lot of faith and respect for him.
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Holy fucking shit.
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Good one Harry. You had a number of great quotable lines in there. I wasn't expected T1 or T2 with this movie, but at least T3. now I'm really worried!
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...until McG gets to make his remake of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, starring Will Smith. I can see it now: "I wanna whup that squid's ass!"
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Ok, here's what I got from the movie the moment I saw it. No disrespect to your opinion of not liking it but not understanding it or not having JC spell out everything for you does not make it a plot hole.You mention skin and how there was none. Are you sure? 100% sure? Or are you just presuming there wasn't or that it wasn't possible? What about the cloth of his police uniform? The hair of John's stepmom? And her clothing too? Soft and fuzzy metal? Microscopic metal molding itself to mimic hair and cloth? Or perhaps inside the T-1000 there actually exists all of this material that the 1000 is capable of bringing to the surface as needed? As well as genetically altering certain aspects (color, etc)? That each and every skin cell is a separate and living entity within the T-1000 that can be genetically replicated and configured as needed within it's body? And all of those billions of fully controllable skin cells are layered on top of the liquid metal body? And it's really not a liquid but presumably trillions of nanotech cellular 'bots' of some type that can handle this and much more? And yet wouldn't require the 1000 to form the process (cant form complex machines) but the device that handles these parameters just sits inside of him like a component of a modern computer? It could practically be microscopic and still get the job done.Personally, the organic concept of "The Thing" popped into my mind right away..each and every cell is autonomous and moves to suit the host, or the cpu of the T-1000 if there's even a discreet device like that in it's body.The point is we're talking technology designed and built by true artificial intelligence. That kind of tech is simply beyond our capacity to understand and I think JC and his crew did quite an admirable job in imagining what autonomous thinking machines would create in order to kill humans.If they can create or clone living tissue which does not die or rot on a metal endoskeleton (the T-800), then a logical step would be to break from the 'skeletal' model's limitations. No more "big man" T-800's, fully capable of mimicing any human face and form? What's more perfect for the task of assassination than being an unstoppable metamorphic chameleon?Now, you could say I'm reading way to much into this but that goes back to my point. If you cannot possibly imagine how this could be possible and it ruins the movie for you, that's fine. But if JC thought that about all of us cinema-goers, then we'd have an awkward and "gee, awfully convenient" description plot point by someone having to explain the tech better left to the audience's imaginations. Personally, I'm glad he erred on the side of people willing to spend even a few seconds imaging how it could be possible versus erring on describing and explaning everything that happens in the flique.Please, it's better when the cinema audience is expected to be even a little savvy...otherwise we get these dumbass movies that presume you're about as perceptive as a shank of old carpet.As far as plot holes, it's definitely true about the voice and appearance of Sarah only a few moments later. I do know that when the T-1000 was doused in liquid CO2 and "destroyed" that he actually suffered significant damage. When he and Arnie fight and he gets Arnie's arm lodged in the machine and goes to walk away...he looks up and a ripple of 'liquid' metal flows over his features? You know why? He's damaged. I watched that scene frame by frame before I watched and read about JC's take on that scene. The T-1000 was damaged and the reason he stabbed Sarah instead of just mimicking her was saving power and energy so as not to have to waste it on something less important than killing John.Now, I'm going to guess this won't be good enough for you and you'll still consider it the shittiest movie ever. And that's fine of course...opinions and all that...but I joked once that the reason Seth Rogen is a jackass is because he wore fake tattoos in 40yoV...the funny thing? TB'ers didn't realize I was fucking joking. The pathetic thing? After I told them I was joking they still blabbered on about how it's a very dumb reason to hate an actor. Some people just refuse to get it...whether it's somewhat ambiguous or spelled out in precision detail.Some people just revel in their own stupid sauce.That's fine of course...but the film makers who do not cater to those people are the ones that I always expect quality from...you must be completely lost watching films from directors like Kubrick or Aronofsky, Terry Gilliam or anyone who is either brilliantly ambiguous or routinely surreal.
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You ever see the documentary of it? Taplin recalls Hitchcock's AFI tribute and going into the bathroom and seeing several sets of feet in each stall amidst the sounds of hoovering blow while a couple of old timers kinda stood there wondering what the hell was going on. Keep in mind though, these old timers were used to a bit of the old "Coke bottle in the cunt" action ala Fatty Arbuckle.
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"Leave your brains on the front door-blockbusters" or these "Go into with zero expectations" or another good one "loved it for what it was"! Hell, maybe the audience nowadays is too dumb or too young to see the difference between a good movie and big movie. Because "X-men: Origins" and "X-3" did very good at the box office, after all and so will this one.
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LaserPants---T2 was AWESOME!!!! AHNOLD spoke w/ a SCOTTISH ACCEN
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Git ready for some TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!! NOT I thought it was actually a really good movie. The one thing I thought it lacked, however, were enough Giant Robots. Fortunately, Mikey_Bay is going to rectify this matter w/ the summer's biggest, best movie yet---TRANSFORMERS IN ENGLAND: OPTIMUS SPEAKS w/ a BRITISH ACCENT. It's great-see he's really from LEEDS this time and he sounds JUST like those guys from CARDIFF and---
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Really, I winced a couple of times and even had to avert my eyes from the text only slowly re-read thinking " he couldn't have been serious"
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I've got to check that out.
I once read that back in the Fatty Arbuckle days they would hold big parties where on the tables was booze and cocaine.
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You're killing me with that mute kid with props post. That's twice today you got me!
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Just saw the McG interview. He acted pretty much they way I thought, especially when he got defensive when McWeeny said that Cameron discovered Worthington.
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Everything so far has been dissapointing I think. Star Trek was a misfire for me personally. I'm more excited about Drag Me To Hell than almost any other movie coming out for the next 2 and a half months. That, and there's two movies at Cannes that look great. Hopefully AntiChrist and Enter the Void make their way to a major city near me (Chicago) by September. I still have yet to see Terminator, but I've got a little hope it will be at least a decent action movie.
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–the first two "Terminators" didn't exist. Some impressive work here—the helicopter crash scene and the harvester scene–but, yeah, it's underwritten especially for the actors of this caliber. I felt frustrated by the annoying coincidences and plot contrivances (jump drives? Huh?!) and the last act was dreadful. I left feeling undernourished. The ideas didn't gel as presented; it felt like a pastiche of "The Terminator" and "The Road Warrior" to me. But, the film LOOKS wonderful and the sound editing was amazing. McG is definitely going for raw adrenaline here (and to be fair succeeds in some places). There's not enough emotion or heart and this is a film that demands both. It should be very, very emotional.
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So, basically, Harry didn't like the movie because it wasn't written, acted and plotted EXACLTY how HE wanted it done. Give me a freaking break. I saw it and thought it was fucking gnar! Gnarley good...but then, I had no expectations.
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i'm surprised harry didn't love the little mute tyke and go all Matt Pinfield on us with the elaborate personal history of silent characters on film because of it.
i just get the feeling he didn't like this because for once he thought it would be cool to hate on something popular again. I don't see him taking down the T4 toy ads though. because there's doing what you believe in and there's doing what pays you. -
He had the option to buy back the rights before T3 was made for a reasonable price, and he turned it down.
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I was able to stop reading right there. No offense, but you come off bad in this one. Sending the Mrs. off to get you a sugar-laden drink doesn't seem right. I await Peter Travers' review before I make my decision to see this.
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It could very well be true that Skynet can't kill Kyle. I was extending it to be that Skynet isn't omniscient and fears that it can't kill Kyle for precisely that reason.
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There's something about the trailers that just never seemed like a terminator movie to me. Just seemed like a lot of over-acting and characters taking themselves way too seriously.
That said I really want to see this now that Harry hated it. The best part of Harry's review? When he uses the assinine term "nukes the fridge" (maybe the most obnoxious geek diss in the history of disses). Not only does he use a term coined from a film he loved but he dares lecture us about hokey dialogue after submitting me to fucking DAREDEVIL so many years ago. What exactly is Harry's definition of hokey anymore. No one knows. -
Christ had the miracle of loaves and fishes--but Bale has Terminator Salvation! Share in his glory during this wondrous week at your local cinema! See it twice! Pay for your friends to come with you! Hallowed be his name! Randomly shout HURLBUT!! during the film!
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Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel...
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Get the audiobook of KID STAYS IN THE PICTURE..read by evans..while doing lines...its like hes actually telling you his stories all strung out.
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But we all know he was into some fucked up shit.
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Sorry, I didn't quite get that one.
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As above
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Agreed. And yeah, he did seem to get a little defensive over the notion of first "discovery" dibs on Worthington.At the end, when he asked Drew if he was "haulin' ass", I laughed out loud. At that moment, he seemed like a red-haired Danny McBride.
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Jesus, best idea I've heard all day.
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so everybody stop praising that cameron would have done this or that with the series and the 'future war. because he dropped it...maybe he realized that the wacky paradox was only good for one or two gos and the premise would fall apart if the story kept going. or maybe linda hamilton so scarred him that he can't even think about the series. or maybe he wanted to make a bunch of fluff in the following years so that we could relentlessly be reminded how he is going to fuck our eyeballs whenever the hell 'avatar: the last eyeball fucker' is supposed to come out. one thing is certain. we will all think the technology in avatar is great. for a while. until the gimmick is quickly used in paper towel commercials, music videos and everything else JUST LIKE the liquid effects in abyss, the morphing technology of T2 and the scale of Titanic have all been used to death now. I don't know what i'm saying, i guess. cameron is an innovator, but the glory is fleeting. months after avatar, we won't give a shit again. and we'll hear cameron is off in his cave planning his next big film using a technology where the actors actually come out of the screen and rape you....because that's all his films have ever been. hype around a new technique. films that are driven by effects and only idea or story second.
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The Baleforce is strong with us.
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I bet harry is pissed because he hasnt had the chance to fuck QT up the arse with a glowing review of basterds. Meaning he hasnt seen it yet
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Quote: "I await Peter Travers' review before I make my decision to see this."Ha! Nice.
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I will have to get that Six Demon, thanks.
Yeah, he was into fucked up shit but he didn't rape and murder that woman. She was bleeding from a botched abortion. Fucking tabloid gossip columnist ruined his career.
I'm actually a fan of Fatty's- own his collection of silent comedy DVDs. Guy was a comic genius of his day.
Side not - best Simpsons joke ever is when Krusty is at the post office and sees that he is not one of the comedians getting a Stamp. "Kings of Comedy my butt. What has Fatty Arbuckle ever done that I haven't?" -
Harry: you are a very destructive human being. If at least you could try and be less obvious maybe, just maybe, someone would take all your shit seriously.
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hes a whiskey man all the way.
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“…using a technology where the actors actually come of the screen and rape you…”The most insightful and brilliant comment I've read today. Not even Jon Stewart would've dropped that ditty.
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In McG's defense, I can understand why he is defensive. You know he reads or at least knows about TBs like this. The guys constantly gets ripped. He's like Brett Michaels (before he started going Rock of Love) who was always seeing any comment as a slam at him for being in a cheesy hair band.
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Fatty was innocent. took a film history class eons ago and they talked about it. pretty much boiled down to politics and jealousy. he was the stop star and some other people (rival studio heads) wanted another star.
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I have not seen the movie yet, but from Harry's review it seems rather obvious that they should have asked the the Sarah Connor Chronicles people to do the movie as well. There was awesome acting, multidimensional stories, beautiful explosions ..everything one would want from a clever action/drama movie.
Too bad Fox cancelled their, or anyones, best show.
Anyone who is one of us TSCC fans, join the resistance!
http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/2848659/Let+all+get+on+Friday+at+8%3A00+PM+on+SCI+FI+Forms+to+support+TCSS
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Where did you lot get the Arbuckle info? Is there a documentary or a book I could reference? Only thing I know is the "Hollywood Babylon" chapter.
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For your professionalism, you are officially invited to me and Stunt's Twilight coke and booze party.
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worse that transformers? hardly. no one peed on anyone else in salvation. is it perfect? no. the opening and the ending are the worst parts. some silly missteps in the middle, but the rest aint bad. not cameron level work, but waaaay better than i thought mcg would do. give credit where credit is due harry, this film is much better than t3 and gives some possible direction to the franchise. also SPOILER-SPOILER-SPOILER- worhtingtons "hybrid" character is a one-off, we'll never see him again. he was designed as a wild card one-of-a-kind infiltration unit to try and get closer to connor than the machines have ever gotten. the series can get back to people fighting machines now. END SPOILER.
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Reese went back in time to follow the T-800, not the other way around as you presented it.
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4 the new Lost Boys!
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Considering McG has not contributed any real critical or memorable material to art of cinema. All he knows is flashing actions shots and music video crap. The problem is more do to do with the studios catering to the current demographics of mindless zombies that watch junk from hacks like Ratner, P Anderson, etc....
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I actually thoughtsome of the special effects in Titanic were pretty subpar... every single time I watch the movie, I whince and shut my eyes at the beginning of the film when the first mate ( or whoever it is ) walks across the deck as the camera pans across the bow of the ship.
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Absolutely. He knows that he's walking into sacred (and recently shaky) cinematic territory and he doesn't want to be known as the guy who (may have) put the nail in the franchise coffin without a fight.
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There was a documentary I saw on it but I can't remember the name. But Wikipedia does a nice job of going over the details:
http://tinyurl.com/omuyjo
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But, his action scenes don't come close to McG's—at least not for this moive.
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is that it showed- almost every episode- how 'little people' other than john connor were actually crucial to the timeline. people who unknowingly or purposely help skynet. people who help form the resistance. the movies sticking with the self importance of john connor is going to- or has now gotten, boring. dude wants to stay alive. dude can't let someone die or else he'll never be born. we get it. everyone wants to live. john should stop listening to his mothers tupac shakur-like tapes from beyond the grave. and like some have pointed out- instead of sending reese back, the best way to end eveything would have been to erase his own existance and kill reese. then none of it would ever have happened. or at least then he wouldn't have to worry about it. blakindigo- thanks! oh, i think john stewart might have. we share the same birthday and sense of humor!
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Nice one.
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I'll be listening to a continuous loop of Al Jolsen's greatest hits the whole time. I'll either be laughing uncontrolably, or on the verge of blubbering. Perhaps both.
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Reese also said they time travelled AFTER Skynet was defeated. They then "smashed the time machine so nobody else goes through". Of course we later had two more movies full of time travellers...
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Death Race gave me a hard on.
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Terminator Salvation rocked! saw it twice already! Crazy action and GNR song!
T2 was great but it definitely wasn't perfect either.
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After the Twilight party.
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Am I the only one who finds James Cameron to be overrated? Sure T1 and T2 were great. Aliens was also great. The Abyss was interesting. However, that's really it. Thats 3 great movies and one not bad. Titanic was a yawn-fest (until the sinking begins), and he seems to have gone a bit sunken-ship nuts since then. I don't think he's as amazing as people make him out to be...
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...dude's in a wheel chair. Don't tell me you wouldn't tell your little lady to shake that thang on into the local 7-11 to get you some grub.
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-and that is HALF the battle. Giant Robots?! Movie is half-good! McG directed the Giant Robots? Welllllllllllll----Did I mention it has Robots-?
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In all seriousness... Reese has no way of knowing whether his buddies changed their mind or if Skynet forces made a surprise attack and killed them all, or if there is more than one time machine or what. It's better off left vague anyway.
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BECAUSE of a lifetime of slurpees, doctorwho. after his surgery we all- even mean little me- came to his internet aid and warned him to change his ways or he would put the DIE in diabetes...but he hasn't listened. and the yoko/slurpee bit is a perfect prtrait of enabling and continued lifestyle.
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I'll have to check that out out next time I watch it.
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SPOILER WARNING If you've read all the AICN reviews you know this already, but... SPOILER WARNING ANYWAY
Haven't seen the movie yet, of course, so take this with a grain of salt...but if it is true how the spoilerific reviews have said that Skynet can take human form, then how come skynet didn't just send itself back in time thousands of years?
( this is of course true for all terminators, but if Skynet's self preservation is the most important goal, why not make it easy on yourself and fight dudes with stones and spears? )
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especially for his work with actors. Sigourney Weaver receive an Academy Award nomination, Ed Harris' fine performance and great work by others including Janette Goldstein, Bill Paxton and some fine comedic work by Arnold and Jamie Lee Curtis.
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so when i see harry continue to not give a shit about himself, like my mom did- continueing to snack on taboo things and avoid exercise (although nowhere near the excesses of sir knowles) it makes me mad. sometimes you have to berate these people to make them realize they are killing themselves.
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I hope not.
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same thing, different form.
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Fuuck, this tb is finally starting to simmer down a little.
I have to put a shout of respect out to HarryBlackPotter for his 'alternate reality' review of TS.
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gonna go watch this thing and then the rest of my week is filled with freelance illustration work...so long fellow entertainment grumps!
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You mention Cameron being overrated, but then rate 3 movies great, 1 not bad..Of course you leave out Piranha 2 (guy gets his DGA card) and True Lies (ummmm, not great?). I'd say thats a pretty damned good ratio, and not overrated at all.
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actually i think Cameron lost the rights to it during his divorce thats why he wants nothing to do with it.
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I haven't even felt the inclination to go back for a second look, which is strange for me. I didn't care too much for "Nemesis" and I saw that a few times in theatres. B4 was Star Trek's Jar Jar.
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on a director's cut of "Reign of Fire" and we might have something. Hey Disney! How 'bout some extra features for the Blu-Ray release!
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to high heaven I am convinced that Harry's like/dislike has nothing to do with a movie's merits. It's a bad mood, something we didn't get, or maybe we just want to be contrarian for its own sake. Aint it cool to hate? Or maybe its just to generate TB traffic. Its anything but the movie.
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Fucking loved Matrix 3 Revolting utions.
Everyone has their right to their opinion of a movie, but at least for me, I rarely agree with Harry. He seems to exagerate his reviews to the nth degree. I guarantee the movie is not that bad, hell it may even be a great movie. Just like in my opinion Martrix 3 and Cloverfield were terrible, yet Harry praises it like it's the Cumming of Christ. -
of them all with The Hurt Locker. Trailer looks outstanding.
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Yeah, i think he's into Tequila. I wish he'd come out with a book of his paintings and design work just like Lynch did. Even if it's a limited print edition.
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sadly that's probably pretty unlikely since it's unfortunately rare for Vern to review movies when they're still in theaters (as great as a critic as he is he is priorities are a little off)
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Stuntcock i'd like to endorse Harry's review for a slot on AIBN.
Not the Knowles, but HarryBlackPotter, found about halfway down the tb.
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count me down for the party +2..i bring it like Clarence Boddiker baby
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How much he loved Blade 2, which I consider to be one of the worst movie I've ever paid to see. I really can't trust his opinion on anything.
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Is there any way, any way at all, that you could get James Cameron to write a review of Salvation? A nerd can dream can't he?
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Gaiusthebrave, you and Mr Nice Gaius the same guy?
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in Days of Future Past. Do you think that story sucks ass too?
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line em up country music! its party night!
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also bringing my Sticky Fingers LP. side two never lets me down.
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Cameron didn't count on people being able to accept that it's possible for the T-1000 to somehow be encased in living tissue. He counted on audiences not giving a shit because they're too busy thinking how cool it is that the dude can turn his arm into a fucking knife. The T-1000 was NOT encased in organic living tissue, there was no indication that it was, there was every indication to the contrary. And when you have to resort to ridiculously elaborate hypothetical scenarios that have absolutely nothing to do with the movie just in order to justify it as not being a plot hole, then it IS a plot hole. Maybe the T-1000 could go back in time because it's MAGICAL. Whatever. The T-1000 does break the rules established in the first movie.
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Where's the party invites?
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Yeah this "review" coming from the guy who fucking LOVED TWILIGHT, stop reviewing films and just admin the site man.
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Um, not sure about that. Only living tissue could be sent back. Could the T-1000 be a hybrid Ugh. I just read that back. Jokes welcome.
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did you think that was a stupid idea?
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they never really said when they sent the 2 terminators back. for all we know they were sent yeard after the first film. or even if they were sent from the same complex. or the same time period. They could have sent the first terminator back (from T1) then reese. waited years, found out they had sent T100 back, stolen a T800, reprogrammed him over a few years, sent him back. when you do time travel, there are way too many variables..just sit back and have fun with the first two films. ignore all else.
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That McG is going to want that Terminator Skull back from you..btw , I also seen the movie and your disgust is completely unwarranted. Is it T1 or T2? Nope , but it shits all over T3 and makes me look forward to part 2 of this story.
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im an idiot
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Plotholes about organic tissue...FUUUUCK!
IT'S NOT REAL. IT'S A ROLLERCOASTER RIDE IN AN AMUSEMENT PARK! Up , down, loop the loop...
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For a movie that's supposed to be a pile of dog crap, it's racking up an interesting assortment of good reviews:Detroit News, NY Daily News, Newsday, NY Observer, New York Times, Variety, EW, Total Film, and Empire so far say it's either good or great.A big comment on the Empire review is that the Brits wanna know what the US reviewers are smoking, giving it such low marks. And yeah, I know Ebert and USA Today and a bunch of others are slamming it, but if it was such a fetid peice of poo then wouldn't the negative reviews be universal?I think there's more to it, and most people just didn't like the WAY McG chose to show THIS PART of the future war...or they are asinine and want Arnie and humor back.Most "user" reviews in TB and on these review sites say that it's Good, not great, definitely not a Transformers type of film, and while it doesn't reach T1 or T2, it's miles higher than T3.AND, it's a good setup for the rest of the trilogy... a bit like XMen 1 maybe?My hopes remain high.Balellujah!
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Harry, I am never reading another review by you again.
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For two things: Danny Elfman's awesome OST, and a few seconds of Guns n' fuckin' roses You could be mine...and the fact that somebody will pay my ticket.
P.S.: I haven't seen Wolverine, because the trailer already looked aweful.
P.S.: Star Trek was pretty good (even though the OST wasn't great, well, it wasn't Jerry Goldsmith, that's for sure!; there were too many unfunny and unnecessary jokes like the oversised hand; Sulu's character was underdevelopped, the bad guy's death wasn't good,...), but it wasn't overlong, it had nice SFX, it was OK directed (even though JJ will never be a world class director), that black girl was simply divine, the guy who played young Kirk was quite good, and...damn, Nimoy was very very very very moving. Best US blockbuster of the year for the moment. -
And Danny Elfman does some great work here.
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Harry did nothing but swoon over McG's previous films, which were utter crap.
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It is universally accepted that if Harold hates a movie, then it MUST be good.
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Is that the T-1000 being able to travel back in time is a plothole. I just saw some guy above writing some long explanation about how the T-1000 could possibly incorporate living tissue if blah blah blah....and my point is, who gives a shit? Laserpants' obsessive hatred of T2 is ridiculous, but so is calling it some kind of masterpiece that can do no wrong. Yes, Terminator 2 absolutely had plotholes and violated its own rules, and James Cameron knew that no one watching the movie would give a shit. So I just don't understand the need to do that kind of fantasy mental exercises just in order to convince oneself that the movie was flawless. Yeah, it's a plot hole. It's a huge gaping plot hole, and nobody gives a shit about it. The end.
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killing Kyle the first chance they get, for example), there's some weird, pointless thing like Moon Bloodgood being part Korean, so how could she have Geisha make-up, which I'm betting isn't Geisha make-up in the movie. Or the belief that Skynet appropriating ILM would've been a great idea. Stop undercutting your own arguments, Harry. "McG has terminated my expectations" made me laugh, though.
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the reasons why people loved star trek and will like T:S is because they are decent films and your just a fuckin imbecile?
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And it is BOLLOCKS. I went to a press screening in Cineworld, Dublin. Harry has said it all. Was the action really 2nd unit? That would explain the helicopter shot and I'm so glad Harry pointed this out, ''then the next time you see John, he’s like a SWAT member'' WHAT THE FUCK WAS MCG THINKING!?!?!?!? DICKHEAD!!
Go see it for Arnie and Stan Winston. But the latter is surely rolling in his grave after seeing this shit pile dedicated to him.
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looks like the smell of ass smelling the smell of ass! But I'm sure we can look forward to months of your throating Quentin's saggy sack deeper than Sasha Grey (no disrespect to Sasha - you are my everything, girl). I used to think Brad would be a good John Galt but now I'm not so sure.
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Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. McG brings you a present and then you slag down his movie. Be a man and don't accept the present and then slag his movie if you need to.
Seeing as how you were positive about various previous movies and loath T4 I have to say I am looking forward to watch it. It can't be that bad because your reviews can't be taken seriously these days. You have lost your touch, dude.
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Ever since we learned that John Connor isn't even the real star of the film.
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well, how do we know- FOR SURE- that skynet couldn't send back anything without living flesh over it through time, per stated in T1- because a war rattled, unsure soldier named reese said it was the gospel truth? were any of these humans experts on the time travel device they had JUST taken over from its creator? his 'truth' could have been an assumed myth, or hope, or assumption that beyond wearing flesh to try to infiltrate, perhaps skynet was developing organic covering so that it could partake in the time travel system it had discovered and created. just because reese said it, doesn't mean it was truth. even if he was connor's number one man...they both could have been mistaken.
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Which makes any of his review highly questionable!
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because Harry is by far the worst writer on AICN.
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perhaps. sometimes he surprises with knowledge of film and comparisons thereof- but for the most part you can bet the first half of the review is a flashback to his childhood and how- by some seven degrees of kevin bacon kind of way- he is connected to this movie personally through some namedrop or connection.
then once you get past that you hear some overblown metaphors for how the film or a scene makes him feel that doesn't even make physical sense. then , very briefly at the end- we are either assured to put aside our doubts, minds or beliefs and see it- or totally avoid it and act like ti never existed. good job. -
BLEST, your name suits you for you are indeed a priest of Bale.
You have kept the faith though others have spat and mocked upon your altar.
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McG should really study the films of Sergio. I think this would really help him . He cuts his scenes way too much and way too fast. I think that this film deserved a director with more patience like Tarentino or even Terrance Malace or both for that matter, they would make a great team since Sergio's influence can be seen in their movies.
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ew. i'd almost rather have roddy mcdowall's or malcolm mcdowell's
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all these dates are conjecture so bear with me. (2019) Reese and Terminator get sent back. Plot of Terminator 2 occurs. (2035)Skynet develops new technology and sends back T1000. Connor and Resistence capture and dismantle T800. (2036) Reprogrammed, "T2 T800" is sent back by Connor. and so on. yes, it can be considered a plot hole because he didnt spoonfeed everything to the audience. What i know about Cameron is that he trims the fat in his films and leaves the good stuff.
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it took to make this movie and just put it into another season of TSCC, which really surprised me... I remember watching the TV spots during football for TSCC before it debuted thinking it was going to be a joke (oh great, a 90210 Terminator!) but now I think it might be the best Terminator property since the original! The series easily exceeded my lowest expectations and now I think it rivals T2 in terms of quality. The cast, the action, the overall storylines were pretty damn good.Sure, there were some filler eps during the 2nd season that could've been omitted but overall I really liked what they did. It remains to be seen if the 3rd season would've worked with John in the future and Sarah in the past but again I have a 100Xs more interest for seeing that than whatever the movies have in store... Maybe I should reserve my judgment until I see T4 but I'm going in not expecting much (like I do with all major motion pictures nowadays...)
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Indy 4 got a 76% fresh tomatometer. Go suck your own cock.
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all these dates are conjecture so bear with me. (2019) Reese and Terminator get sent back. Plot of Terminator occurs. (2035)Skynet develops new technology and sends back T1000. Connor and Resistence capture and dismantle T800. (2036) Reprogrammed, "T2 T800" is sent back by Connor. and so on. yes, it can be considered a plot hole because he didnt spoonfeed everything to the audience. What i know about Cameron is that he trims the fat in his films and leaves the good stuff.
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as Twilight?
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But, those posts read like a long time Trek fan who demands a massive degree of fealty to the original source material—regardless of how stale, uninspired, repetitious or mediocre it has become in the last decade.The new film isn't perfect by a long shot, but it certainly better from a newbie pov. Also, because it doesn't depend on knowledge of the original series, new audiences can get to know the characters through the later films as JJ Abrams and co. dig deeper into their psyches and build stories that don't rely on camp. Sometimes we need to get past our preconceptions to allow the movie to work on it's own terms, not our fan based demands. Look how many non—sf fans enjoy the movie and you'll see what I mean.
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"McG has sparked a moribund franchise back to life, giving fans the post-apocalyptic action they’ve been craving since they first saw a metal foot crush a human skull two decades ago."
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Seriously, the guy is never not watching a movie. He's a film lover, I get it, but that's all he seems to ever do. Richard Roeper, when not seeing movies to review for his JOB, he likes to bang hot whores half his age and play poker in Vegas. I love movies, but I don't know how Harry can watch this much. After 1 film, I need a break.
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I read Harry's review and it was so pissed off that I pictured Harry reading a printed copy of it that is soaked in his rage-induced spittle.
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How can anyone have or have had such high hopes for a film directed by the same man responsable for Charlie's Angels and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle.
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Sticky Fingers, fuck yah! I always play "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" before I go out every weekend.
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i mean u didnt said something like that about wolvi?!;)
u liked: spidey 3, indy 4, ff2:silver surfer, van helsing, twillight... what next 17 again is better than avatar? -
T3 is superior to 2 because it doesn't shit on 1. T2 is such an overrated mess. It contradicts everything the first movie was saying... Fate is fate no matter how much you try and mess with it. Undermines everything done in the first film. FUCK T2.
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mentioned in the same sentence. Its official. My mind's been blown man.
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For even mention McG in the same sentence as Sergio Leon, you should be beaten to death with a wiffle bat, or forced to watch Phantom Mence 100 times in a row. Whichever is worse.
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I want to see big future battles with robots. I could give two shits about "honoring the legacy" of the past movies. They'll always exist, and if this one sucks, it doesn't in any way change the originals.
I think harry just has a fanboy vendetta against it. Franckly, his opinion isn't worth anything and his taste in movies is terrible. Vern's review will be the true test. -
i can just see him dressed like a young jake lloyd/anakin with some sort of mini pod racer props tehered to his mobility scooter shreiking 'WEEEEEEE! I'm a kid again!'
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after reading this review http://tinyurl.com/ou824k
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They nit-pick this movie to death, and yet the give a pass to all of Start Trek's gaping plot holes. Strange.
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Please stop with the "Harry liked Godzilla, but hated this, he liked Indy 4, I can't trust him.." blah de fucking blah de blah. FUCKING STOP. I like Rocky Road ice cream. You may despise it. Who the fuck cares. If you saw the movie and agree or disagree with Harry's review, fine. State your case. But one more "Gee Harry, you hated this but you liked "fill in the fucking blank", I will hunt you down and break your kneecaps with a sledgehammer.
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for all the glowing reviews i read about his performance, i found it to be possibly the most grating and cringeworthy stuff in the flick. however what i have seen of him as reese, he does seem to have studied biehn quite a bit...unlike the parody performance in ST
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Harry hated this but like the Phantom Menace. =0)
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I thought you were impersonating my ex after I "accidentally" let it slip into her third input.
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Wes, I found his performance to be wery, wery annoying. Of course, his lines were written that way.
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where just looking at his face makes me feel like I'm being assaulted. Whether it's his ginger kid combination of ghost white skin and Tang-orange jewfro, or the fact that his eyes are perpetually locked into a bulging, startled doe-eyed expression of fear and confusion, I don't know, but seeing him onscreen gives me that panicked 'look away' instinct that you get when you see your parents naked.
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...have to laugh..
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plus- he was the only one that looked nothing remotely like the original actor. i started to see some kirk in pine (except for the hair)- and i just watched on old start trek and i'll be damned if simon pegg with dark hair doesn't look just like some early scotty! but i'll be damned if chekov ever had goofy white boy jeri curl hair.
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try this--before a weekend ROCKS OFF. on exile in main street, then you got RIP THIS JOINT...coming down time play Moonlight Mile from Sticky Fingers. Cheers
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It's a fucking shit-fest of a movie.
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Bitch.
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looks like he wet his pants immediately afterward...
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Change the names and setpieces, and you would have my exact reaction to the "new and improved" Star Wars franchise.
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im not saying this will be good, BUT FUCKING COME ON!!
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i think Cameron wouldve realized during production that he was "ruining" the first film. Moreso, he actually extended and developed the plot further. he DID leave it open (see alt end sequence for final FINALE) for the audiences. T3 is altogether a differnet story. NO Input from Cameron. they basically took a story and grafted it to the franchside. it doesnt further anything that the first two hold so dear. It would be like Ratner directing Episodes 7-9, in Star Wars terms and not alllowing Lucas to input anything. You can look at the timeline for T1 and T2 and be happy that it has no holes. or you could look at the entire trilogy as a whole. they changed the rules midgame with T3.
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yeah, it looks like he just popped a boner or got pantsed or caught doing something wrong. like even he's surprised he's managed to becaome a major actor in hollywood.
however, if they ever choose to remake Weird Science- and you know they will- i think he'd be a good replacement for anthony michael hall's character. -
and this movie even though i ve been thinking it did nt look too good. But now that the reviews from all over the web are crapping all over this movie, I can at least save my money and time and avoid this.....
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I GOT THE BLUES.
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dont worry im going with my dad on Friday. think we'll buy 2 Star Trek tix and sneak in.
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Twilight: New Moon
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I mean you got to maintain it for the entire TB.
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man, especially with the girlfriend. Can we be suprised by this? Its directed by the guy that made Charlies angels, and its written by the guys that wrote...catwoman!....lets just say that again...catwoman!....what the hell were we expecting anyway?
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dont believe any reviews people, i seen the trailers and i know that there is no chance in hell that this ones bad. no way, im not believing all the cynicism. harry was probably paid by Bay to say those things.
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that just knew this movie was going to destroy the first two, and just KNEW it would be amazing becos all it needed was Bale, are much more quiet now that the general critical opinion on this movie is quite bad, and it appears to be no better than Bay's style of filmaking....just lots of explosians and no heart and soul, character development etc...Wonder if these same people will defend Transformers 2?
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pussy
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laugh.....you are being sarcastic right?
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this is unfair
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brain, and i expect the same from my sci-fi action movies...then yes I am. Sorry if explosians and Bale shouting his lines just dont do it for me....
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go to the Termaintor Salvation Common interview TB and see what i've had to deal wit..Laserpants is a fucking cunt.
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when and where good buddy?
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May 20, 2009 7:16:03 PM CDT
wolverine== Worldwide: $276,542,454 ! star trek= Worldwide: $223
by muri71
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Laser is also conspicuously absent after getting schooled above.
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talkbackers that actually takes the whole Bale praise thing seriously. And you really need to desperately believe that his mere presence makes a film great. So you are a big fan of all those classic movies like Captain Corelli's Madolin, Shaft, and Reign of Fire...
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whats your point? Wolverine had an extra week and is also dropping fast. Not so with ST.
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on this day we will see it, doomsday for harry.
will he say the truth or will he thinking in flashbacks, what a great trip berlin was, that quenschie tarantina paid by the way?
basterds has a lot of bad reviews outthere,lets wait and see if harry can pull of another bad review about something he already has been paid for?!;) -
The strike summer of 2009 is just beginning. We still have the crapfests from Bay and Sommers to look forward to.
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That is a well thought-out analysis of the situation.
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laser, he is so easy to make look like an idiot. Just use logic, reason and fact (three things he has no understanding of), and challenge him to quantify his opinions, then watch as he shouts completely imbecellic posts in cap letters (presumably in a Bale Batman voice..). And the funniest thing of all is that he thinks thats putting forth a well thought out and reasoned argument. Sorry I missed it SDB, some of the most fun I have is intellectually bitch slapping that twit...
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NY Times, Variety, Washington Post, EW all gave positive reviews
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May 20, 2009 7:24:13 PM CDT
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by particularly hard vato
furthermore,
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
more and more pissed off, and make himself look more and more stupid while he rants away...lol...too much fun SDB.
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2000? 1997? 1994? 2007? exactly. mindless forgettable shit.
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because Arnold goes back in time naked and without weapons in EVERY SINGLE MOVIE. If Skynet developed a time machine that DOES allow bare metal to go back in time, then why does Arnold keep going back in time butt ass naked and completely unarmed? And don't talk to me about how maybe the T-1000 had tiny nanomachines that could replicate an organism's "biofield" or whatever. You're just making that up. And once we're making stuff up, we can make up anything. Ooh, maybe they utilized alien technology! Maybe it was all a dream! Whatever. When you have to fabricate works of fantasy in order to keep a plothole from being a plothole, then it's a plothole. It has nothing to do with Cameron having to spell everything out. It's that the only evidence that it's NOT a plothole is that James Cameron supposedly wouldn't have plotholes in his movie. And that's not enough. Because if you try hard enough, you can explain away ANY plothole or inconsistency. We shouldn't have to, though.
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He's a hack. Did anyone notice his body of work? Is there anything good there? Uh...no. No wonder Bale popped a cork on set.
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harry tried to fukk wolverine up with his vendetta cus he had no set visit.
than told everybody not to watch it and then watched it himself and gave it of course a bad review and told everyone how great star trek is in the wolvie review.
this comes from a man who liked twilight, indy 4, spidey 3, van helsing etc.
well i just wanted to remind the people how harry works.
wolverine wasnt really good, but ok, compared too: ff4:silver surfer, ghost rider, dare devil, electra etc so in comic universe a mediclore comic movie.
he already said it again that twilight was great pg 13 wise/better, which means better as terminator and wolverine and i really should take this headgeek serious?
in no movie verse and another will a mediclore wolverine or terminator be worse than this chick fest twilight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
star trek doesnt do shit on foreign box. right now, it made his money in the us and on foreign its at 67 mil. while the "worse" (harrys words) wolverine with a younger franchise is made 123 mil on foreign.
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May 20, 2009 7:35:04 PM CDT
Why are Harry's negative reviews more believeable to some?
by toadkillerdog
If Harry had said this movie was great all of us -myself included would have said it must suck ass. But now that he has said "it sucks ass" he is believed?
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I was upstairs watching Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives and I thought I could smell professionalism coming from my basement office. I second HarryBlackPotter for the Beru. +2
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seriously? would you have prefered a 10 minute explanation from Arnold that said all of this "Skynet figured out a way to send back liquid metal and i was reprogrammed and sent back to protect you" or can you just live with it? This is the reason why Star Trek universe got fucked upand they had to make an encyclopedia and chronology to follow everything--they were too busy making sure everything "gelled"
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its him wanking in his little world.thats all. at least he does us the favor of namechecking some films I actually like..so it's possible T4 is actually a lot more entertaining that Harry has any idea of.
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THE RAGING CAST IRON ERECTION OF PROFESSIONALISM!!!!!
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The thing is I don't really look at Harry's or even the other moderators reviews. I actually judge if I will like the movie by the response from some of the other TBers. Just like some critics, I have found that my taste are more or less aligned with theirs and I use that as a barometer for whether or not I will like a movie and if it is worth seeing.
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Left you a message at AIBN. Fucking Twilight doesn't come out until November 20th!
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May 20, 2009 7:41:50 PM CDT
Conti, that just leaves more time to AMASS THE ANTHILL!
by stuntcock mike
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shit i gotta start saving money!! im gonna be like Oprah! 8balls for you! and you! and you! and you!
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(your new name by the way) don't share the 8balls. You're gonna need 'em if we are going to hit 20,000 post in just 24 hours.
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a measure response from harry..well executed. but yeah the positive reviews for terrible films and apparent studio shilling (not sure if shilling can be used in that context) make me confused as to the true motive. this is what happens harry..ppl lose faith in you and then we don't know where we stand
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"In an insane world, it is was the sanest choice"
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For starters, he could've designed an appropriately formidable Terminator that wasn't 100% fucking liquid metal. He's also a skilled enough director that he could've thought up a half-assed explanation for use when Arnold Schwarzenegger was spending five minutes explaining shit to John Connor. Or just keep the T-1000 and don't explain anything. Like I said before, pretty much nobody actually gives a flying shit whether or not the T-1000 breaks the rules. He's fucking badass and he can stab you in the face. It's a plothole that absolutely nobody cares about, because the T-1000 is fucking cool. But it's still a plothole. I don't necesarily wish that Cameron had explained the T-1000, and I don't necesarily think it would have made the movie any better. But it's still a plothole.
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The 38% fresh on Rotten Tomaters tells me all I need to know. Why get bummed if the new summer movies are awful? Netflix some GOOD movies and have a cheap night at home. Jesus!
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T-1000 should have arrived in the present INSIDE a still living person and than poured out of him, killing him in the process, That way he doesn't break the entire "aura of living flesh" rule.
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All the reviews say the action is really bad ass. All the reviews say the robots are really cool and inventive. All the reviews say Sam Worthington and Anton Yelchin gives good performances and Bale plays it straight and deadly serious. All the reviews say McG nailed the tone he was going for. This is not your jokey fun T2 and it shouldn't be...this is Terminator post-apocalypse. Harry just completely missed the point.
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Check out the Superman/Batman TB
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I wish I had thought of that about 20 years ago.
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I'll trust myself and my own viewpoint and expectations first and foremost (I know, hard to believe hearing that on this site), but beyond that I'll trust those guys any day of the week over Harry.
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Was going to see it with some friends tonight, but I'll pass after this review. Harry's opinion alone doesn't change my mind, but he gave me an idea of what to expect in the movie - and I don't like the sound of it. I get very bored watching robots and explosions, I don't think I will like this. But let it be known that if I didn't casually surf to this website, this movie would have made an extra $10
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I only thought of it about fifteen minutes ago.
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I was going to post something but my brain ain't working right now. After your intelligent post I can't just follow that up with a "yeah, supes is cool."
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just in case anyone hasn't told you yet... there's no 'of' after 'myriad'. Bummer about the shite movie.
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It was about people. The robots serve as a counterpoint to say something about humanity.
"Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly
so clear. The Terminator would never stop, it
would never leave him... it would always be
there. And it would never hurt him, never shout
at him or get drunk and hit him, or say it
couldn't spend time with him because it was too
busy. And it would die to protect him. Of all
the would-be fathers who came and went over the
years, this thing, this machine, was the only
one who measured up. In an insane world, it was
the sanest choice."
Arnie's Terminator wasn't meant to be taken as a father figure, but rather to show how men lacked the courage to be real fathers.
If you pay attention you see how all the humans outside the main cast are selfish, vulgar, and violent. That's why it was called Jugement Day. The machines were mankinds own punishment to itself.
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would mcginty have fucked up superman more? i don't know. superman is supposed to be about action and amazing physical feats and mcg would have done that. what did we get from singer? the scene with the airplane and that's it for action.
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What disappointment, but why should I be suprised , McG, toys coming out like T-Rip.
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fuck yeah that wouldve been an awesome intro to T1000
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this is the movie i have been waiting to see for all my life and i will never believe reviews like Harry's because they have a huge misunderstanding of art and depth. T4 will make me cry and make me think about the meaning of life; thats how powerful a movie it will be for me. it might seem like an exagerration but i know myself well, im a sucker for man vs. machine movie done McG style.
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i would forgive Cameron if he wanted to make T2:Special Special Edition.
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"Reese went back in time to follow the T-800, not the other way around as you presented it". Good point, but a moot point when you are talking time travel.
Scenario 1: The SKYNET in this film has to deal with the circumstances which put the current reality into being or else it risks changing the timeline, so that it's current reality would be changed.
Scenario 2: Kyle doesn't time travel back until SKYNET is almost defeated, which is in this movies future, therefore SKYNET doesn't know of Reese's significance as of yet.
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Good actress, bad movies. Has she been in a good movie yet? Maybe she's cursed, or something.
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Written by JJ Abrams and directed by McG?
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it was written by the same people as T3.
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The one where she's talking about how the Terminator would be the best dad because it'll never get drunk and beat him. That as well as when she says something to Miles Dyson like "all you men know how to do is kill." Yeah...pardon me, bitch, but YOU were the one who just broke into a man's home and tried to assassinate him in front of his wife and son. And the Terminator might seem like a good dad compared to all of her other boyfriends, but that's only because she only dates scumbags. You want to date guys just to get access to their weapons bunkers, then don't complain when a few of those guys start teaching your son how to be a delinquent. Are we supposed to believe that every single man in Los Angeles. Before she starts making insights about humanity, crazy bitch needs to take a look in the fuckin' mirror.
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I am so glad I am not the only one who thought Star Trek was craptacular. What is odd to me is that even the people who supposedly like it have long lists of things they disliked or outright hated--but they give it is Star Trek--or because they are comparing it to Nemesis, which was one of the two worst Star Trek films ever made (ST V is the other one).
I like to make lists and basically when I made lists of things I Liked, Disliked and outright Hated--there were lots of things in the last two lists but only half-liked things in the "Like " list.
Maybe I am losing my interest in simple Summer films. I think I need more from them rather than less--and no amount of special effects or fight scenes can cover a films weaknesses to me anymore.
I know that is a radical idea, to actually ask for a Quality Story with your Spectacle--but they used to do it in the fifties, so why not now?
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Is what I meant to say.
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I have to admit that the T-1000 and I guess the T-X time travel always bothered me, but who cares. Maybe Kyle Reese was wrong about it. Maybe the T-1000 had skin around it when he traveled back in time. I don't know and frankly who the hell cares. The movie was entertaining and while not as gritty or dark as T1, it still delivered. T4 sounds like a hackneyed piece of dung. If the rumors are true about Bonham being some type of Borg Queen, what the hell.
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A review by Harry Knowles isn't really valild anymore is it? Not sense that glowing review of JASON X?
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"But when it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there."
You have no journalistic integrity and to talk about a fat redhead in a wheelchair giving a hack director a bj is just pure lame. This is a summer movie aimed at kids not 40 year old man childs. Harry, suicide IS an option. -
Just total bland stupidity. Not a completely horrible movie, but completely worthless.
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It ended at least.
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but did see it on demand. and when i do that i still tend to make myself sit through all of it. and after watching superman returns, i seriously thought i had been abducted by aliens and had two hours of missing time because the whole thing was as nonexistent of a movie as you can get. like you said- not horrible- but just..nonexistent. the colors, the acting, the story, the cinematography all so bland.. i just sat there thinking- what the hell just happened. i didn't remember anything as the credits rolled.
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...Yeah, go to Glasgow, walk into a pub (any pub, your choice) and announce that tidbit of info out loud. Go ahead, dare ya.
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May 20, 2009 9:10:33 PM CDT
Wow, Harry likes shit far worse than Terminator Salvation
by stereotypical evil archer
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Are the tired jaded fucks like scriptgirls nipples, Bones, and Asimov lives now crying because Terminator SUCKS and Star Trek shits down your collective throats? Fuck all four of you cunts. Wolverine. SUCKED. Terminator. SUCKED. Angels and Demons. SUCKED. I guess you have Transformers and GI (snickers) Joe to find solace in. Go finger your own cunts whores. Star Trek OWNED you.
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just 65% of them were bad.
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Cobra-Kai, I am 93% (+/- 3%) positive that I am not Mr. Nice Gaius. "Gaius" as in Gaius Baltar.
toadkillerdog, the worst part about it was that SR wasn't even remotely entertaining. If it had been at least a stupid popcorn flick, there'd be something. All we got was a voyeuristic Superman who is somehow capable of lifting a giant rock made partially out of kryptonite into outer space. -
Yeah, that is exactly how I felt. But at least it did end!
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I mean Praise Bale! Nuke the Fridge! Bag O' Dicks!
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This is not T1, or T2 or even T3. If you can't seem to get over the fact that this is a NEW trilogy of films with a new direction, with changes in style and tone...well then you'll never enjoy this film.
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hello???
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About SR: If you are going to give Superman only one weakness (Kryptonite), then it better well fuck him up. So having some lodged inside him should fucking kill him. And as for lifting a fucking mountain riddled with the stuff INTO ORBIT? That's fucking insulting. I know that this was Singer's intent, but it really bugged me that Supes didn't throw one PUNCH during the entire film. That's what I go to comic-book movies for-cool fights happening in live-action, real-time. Singer's Superman was fucking stalker-creepy. I did like Routh tho. He can stay.
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i DO have a problem with someone taking a couple of beloved classics and cannabalising and bastardizing them into mediocre mashups of MATRIX, MAD MAX, and TERMINATOR. if you attempt this, you need to show reverence to ALL that preceded it (see STAR TREK). otherwise, whats the fucking point? They couldve changed the names and places and dates and this wouldve been just as easily forgotten. Caling it TERMINATOR guaranteed at least a solid opening weekend.
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Praise Bale. For Life.
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i liked Superman Returns. esp. the quiet parts. when Richard and Lois are talking about Supes. when Supes is watching over his son at the end. when Lois and Supes are flying "not like this". its the small things i liked. also like that the one dog ate the other. nice.
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Singer got the small things right. the emotional stuff the quiet stuff. the big action sequence was pretty good too. so more positive for me.
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--But HAROLD LOVVVVVVVVVED Blair Witch II! HE sppooooooged all OVER Jurassic_Kong! He LOVED GODZILLA '98! Comneeeeeeeee onnnnnnnnnn here! Yub yub, INDEED.
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script... you have a crappy script... McG should have fought for a better script. You can't polish a turd.
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May 20, 2009 9:52:51 PM CDT
CONTI AND STUNTCOCK'S BOOZE 'N COKEOUT = PARTY OF THE MILLENIUM
by bringingsexyback
Check your amateurism at the door. You won't be getting it back.
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I just saw T4 through the aid of some friends. Script - D; Action - B+; Acting - C-.
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1) Superman comes back to earth after visiting the remains of Krypton. Why the hell did he have to visit Krypton? There was nothing urgent going on that said "I better check on my old homeworld." If he had received an urgent SOS that said people might still be alive out there, I can understand, but this just smacked of plot device to explain why he has been gone.
2) The idea to change the myths by having Lois Lane married and her having a kid (who turns out to be Supes) was just a big mistake. You already are departing from the comic book by having Superman away for five damn years and everyone moving on with their life. Ok, have Lois Lane married but does she also have to have a kid, and does that kid have to secretly be Superman’s? I mean, talk about overkill on the soap opera elements.
3) Lex Luthor was just lame. Gene Hackman was great as Luthor, an inspired performance as Lex Luthor as cocky, arrogant huckster who is smarter than you are and tries to get the best of you. What works about Hackman is that Superman (and even the audience) completely underestimates him in the first movie because he is a fast-talking use con-man – you can’t imagine that type of guy to be a problem for a hero as powerful as Superman, but like a lot of con-men he surprised you and has a plan to give him the advantage. But Kevin Spacy was just redundant, a rehashed Gene Hackman-Luthor but without the wit or cleverness. He is supposed to be a Luthor that has fought Superman before yet his plot is even more obvious and badly planned than Hackman’s first one. Superman is well aware that Hackman knows about Kryptonite and that he is capable of doing things like helping out the Three Kryptonians, but he blindly arrives on an island that has popped up out of nowhere to confront Luthor. C’mon. You know his track record Supes, how can you fall for his such an obvious trap this time?
4) Superman just wasn’t “super.” Sure there was some pretty good effects, but nothing felt truly awe-inspiring. I mean, Superman rescuing Lois from the damaged Space Shuttle wasn’t nearly as awesome as Superman catching her and the helicopter in I. The reason why? You got to see Lois’ completely amazed reaction and that is what sold it. This movie just had Superman doing amazing things but didn’t have people really witnessing so we could experience their amazement and wonder through there eyes (which might explain why Kitty and Superman had more chemistry than Lois and him because she actually got amazed by witnessing something first hand).
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Up and Drag Me To Hell are coming up soon.
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Okay I'll stop.
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I don't think people are calling it a lame mashup of the Matrix, Mad Max and The Terminator, I haven't heard that though it might be, but what Harry seems to be upset about is that it's not the same tone as the other Terminators. It's a new direction that he doesn't seem at all interested in following. It's a post-apocoylptic world ruled by machines, and judging by the reviews...it's bleak...it's grey...it's a little more serious...I mean, what did you expect?
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this movie is going to be a great popcorn movie. it will appeal to the masses and hopefully open the door to more movies.
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I expect you to be the first one to post on the Twilight TB while doing a line and a shot.
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for Cunt-fisting akshun.
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What Harry meant to say was, "I was so excited I even sent my wife into a 7-11 to get me a Slurpee cup, a large nachos, two corn dogs, a Polish sausage sandwich with extra mustard, two double bacon cheeseburgers, three bags of beef jerky, a gallon of ice cream, a king-size Snickers, a box of Fruit Roll-Ups, five bean and cheese burritos and a Diet Coke for the TERMINATOR SALVATION movie."
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Have your own mind,anyone?
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was the most likeable and relayeable/human character in superman returns.
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will be all mine, sir! Praise Bale, you and Stuntcock!
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that's what i get for speed typing. and why does spellcheck say relatable is spelled wrong when it's not?
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Seriously dude, harry said this movie caused him to shit a flaming turd (and I tend to believe it was his Thai food lunch) and yet Twilight was good??? Am I fucking crazy?
Even if this movie is the biggest turd that is blocking the only public toilet it has to be better then 1/2 the movies Harry has reviewed. I can't wait for Drag Me To Hell to be a total shit fest -
You got it right. I agree with all those points, to varying degrees. Although I thought Spacey was pretty effective as Luthor, and I thought Supes, *when shown* was pretty super. Singer made a point of having him use each and every power in his arsenal (and making sure there was something going on that required the use of that power). Except his super-punching ability. Six Demon Bag (great handle, btw): I'm glad you liked it. Really, I am. I've watched it several times, and I just can't get behind it. I think that for the most part, it's the opposite of the Superman movie I want. There shouldn't be all that many 'quiet' moments in a Superman movie, imo. I want huge drama, huge fights with huge baddies, and a director with huge balls. Not one who likes the taste of them. (Sorry, I keed, I keed)
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How did Star Trek show reverance for all that had come before it if they can't do even the little things right like bothering to make the ships' interiors?
If your version of honoring the past is endlessly quoting from the other films rather than find your own voice, packing the film with endless allusions rather find a unique story and redrawing beloved characters into characatures of themselves--then I guess it succeeded.
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Ebert gave it a thumbs down too.
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but that's all superman returns was! can you imagine a movie where you were amazed by action then actually stopped and pondered stuff for a while? the two things would feed off each other so well. instead we get the extreme version of 'superman has problems too', and the whole thing could easily have been a mexican soap opera, with out the dramatic stares and music stabs.
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haveth the power.
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The problem was how Luthor was depicted not portrayed. He played a perfectly good Hackmanesque Luthor, but the movie makes such a character uninteresting and illogical.
Plus, I think people really wanted to see Supes face someone truly evil. This movie was supposedly a more grown up version of Superman, dealing with the burden of being the worlds savior. Well, if Supes is supposed to be the messiah, I damn well want Luthor to truly be Satan - a fucking tempter and corruptor of the first degree, not a mere whacky con-man again. -
You know whats coming...
Oompa loompa doopity doo!
Oopma loompa doopity dee! -
May 20, 2009 10:10:58 PM CDT
LUTHOR NEEDED KRYPTONITE-LACED EXO-SKELETAL BATTLE ARMOR
by bringingsexyback
That's the Superman movie I would've made. Tragic shame I don't make movies.
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Plus I really did think in Superman Returns we were going to be surprised by an appearance by Brainiac. I saw an advanced screening on the WB lot and when he was in the fortress of solitude stealing those crystals I suddenly thought "Fuck, he is going to unintentionally make a computer which will turn into the 80's crystal brained version of Brainiac."
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I like Trek less now that i've pondered it for a week. I was entertained and dug the characterization over everything else.
But SR was hollow. No gaping plot holes and meaningless scenes but I haven't touched SR since I walked out of the theatre. I would sit thru Trek on DVD if the mood struck me. -
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Spacey could have been an inspired choice. But he acted like a neutered puppy. And his motarded real estate plot - really after thirty years all he can think of is the same fucking real estate plot? Damn that was annoying. Being stabbed by kryptonite does not kill supes? He is able to lift a fucking island laced with the stuff into orbit? Superman wearing a gay pride day uniform? Superman being a stalker? Superman having a kid? Real estate? No fucking fight? Superman getting his ass kicked by weak ass goons? Real estate?
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And I'am so buying "Terminator Salvation" on bootleg now. I could spend 4 bucks, instead of wasting 12 dollars on a potentially bad film. As far as I can see, this might be the worst film of this season.
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"and revenge!!!!"
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That is very cool! Check this out
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Like Weaver (Shirley Mason T-1000) being interested in acquiring humanity, not exterminating it. Makes good sense technologically. We're discovering right now that DNA-based computers will always be more creative (because they're more unpredictable) than silicon, even if quantum computing happens. It's the chaotic nature of neurons: think thunderstorms instead of circuits. The world Weaver envisions is like a people-friendly Borg Collective. Actually Jack Williamson came up with the original idea in the Humanoids, written about 1950. SCC just animated it better.
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is that Singer really thought he was making a masterpiece and a worthy follow up to Superman I & II.
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Yep, that's SR in a nutshell. God how cool would Kevin Spacey in a fucking green & purple battlesuit be. On a scale of 1-10, where one sucks and ten rules, Kevin Spacey in a green and purple battlesuit would be, um, let me think-4596736265725967452967245782539675467465964589723658723
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three-quarters.
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You are right. I remember a poster or reviewer in a Superman TB saying something to the effect that "Singer must have called up Donner just to hear him breathe" he was that slavishly devoted to recreating Superman
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FUCK THE QUEEN,AND FUCK ENGLAND,AND FUCK THAT HORRIBLE CREEPY CUNT HUGH GRANT.
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That Airzooka is mine. I'll Rambo terrorizing my neighbors. Nothing's over!!!!!!! Nothing!!!!!
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That's right. Penis.
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Hey look everybody, scotsman75 is back! I wonder what he'd like to discuss now?
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That Harry will looovvveee the new Ben Stiller and that crappy looking Land of the Lost? Where they fuck are my lights!
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There's no such thing as a turnip! Dammit! It's true! Listen to me!
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BRITTISH DOESNT MEAN ENGLISH,U IGNORANT YANK TROUTS
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That was really my favourite Trek movie after Khan. Did a really nice job of ending the original movie series on a high note. New Trek was alright, but about as forgettable as Terminator 3. I saw it two weeks ago, and I can barely even be bothered to remember what I liked about it and what I hated. Fun two hours, but just extremely forgettable and disposable.
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There's no such thing as a Actish Britcent!
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I saw a behind-the-scenes segment before I saw the movie where they were interviewing the costume people and they were showing Spacy as Luthor and Posey as Kitty and going over their costumes.
The costume designer was saying how they designed Luthor's close to be both very fashionable but to also have a military feel, like he was a general or a Napoleon.
When I heard that and saw Spacey as Luthor I was like "Fuck, they got it! The are going to Luthor just great. Since the second movie Luthor has just gone pure evil and now is like an arms-dealer, making billions designing advanced weapons and being protected by every third world dictator because they want his weapons, and doesn't care that his genius is used to hurt and kill people because he has a god complex. And when he faces Superman this time he will really be out there to kill him instead of just doing something hokey like try to do a real estate scam."
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Coming through loud and clear.
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Read my post to you last time you were on here you dumb cunt.
He was born in Wales, due to his dad working there, refers to himself as English & says he doesn't mind being called "Welsh actor" because it sounds poetic.
Oh & you're right, BRITTISH doesn't mean English. BRITTISH doesn't mean British either. Change the fucking record. -
Gotta agree on the Spacey/Luthor thing. There were moments when I thought he was on fire, but too many where he was just too goofy. And why the hell didn't Kal Penn say anything?
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gonna keep my money in my pocket. my suspicions about a mcg directed terminator film were true. sounds like it would have been better if uwe had directed
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I agree Trek VI is underrated. My roomie and I were just talking about that, after seeing the new one. Which I will not go into at this time. But yeah, VI was a good way for (most) of the original cast to go out. Plus, I think VI gave Chekov more to do than any series ep or film before that. I mean, he effed up an investigation, but I think that scene does more for showcasing his character than any other.
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instead of exo-skeletal battle armor with a shoulder mounted kryptonite missle launcher. WTF
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There's a reason The romans built a wall to keep you fuckers out. & you've still got a chip on your shoulder about it.
I can say that 'cause I grew up a stone's throw from your piss soaked streets.
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do I get the feeling this scotsman is sitting in a basement in Dayton, Ohio?
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Or maybe it was Cruthinic?
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This is why I read this site. Gut reactions.
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As much as I'd like to stay, I'm seeing 'Coffey' at the midnight movie tonight and I must leave work to 'prepare' for the show. Scotsman75, don't you go changing on me, man. BEETLE OUT!
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And he picked up some girl and I could hear him having sex in the room next to me and I could here her talking in that God awful accent:
"Have you slimed yet? Well than stick it in my shitter 'til you do?"
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You feel that way because dude can not even spell Britain or British, correctly.
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Is what makes me suspect he really is from Scotland.
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I wrote "here" instead of "hear".
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Seriously, nepotism at its most egregious. She's been wretched in everything, but daddy has a LOT of sway.
That said, this movie has looked boring from the get go. At least Helena is in it. Now, off to read Massawyrm's review.
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May 20, 2009 10:52:37 PM CDT
I DON'T CARE IF BALE IS HALF-TAIWANESE HALF-MONGOLIAN
by bringingsexyback
He's still my fucking Savior!!!
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It's good to see a modicum of love around these parts for Alien 4. Maybe the further away we get from Aliens, the more willing people will be to see Aliens 3 and 4 on their own terms instead of being judged solely by how much they weren't like their beloved Aliens. Alien 3 (in the extended version) and Resurrection were true rarities in cinema: art films masquerading as action blockbusters.
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It makes a difference ya know.
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If Harry writes a positive review of anything it's the same responses "He loves everything I can't trust what he says" then a negative review comes out and it's the same shit "What no checks or set visits?" HAHA SO FUCKING CLEVER! That has been said oh I don't know a hundred times. All people do in TB is toss shit and hate things blindly but then if there is a negative review somehow it must be defended. I pretty much knew this movie was going to suck shit when it wasn't rated R. That meant they didn't feel like telling a war story they wanted to sell robot toys.
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I think it's the first time I see a review which is entertaining on sight. Seeing your pile of verbiage on the talk-back is still making me chuckle even thought I didn't read it. Have you had your head examined lately? It looks to me like you need a colonoscopy, asap.
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Quite obviously
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I would have to go with outer on that one. They make great barbeque I think.
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...that guy reviewed Wolverine without having seen it...yadda yadda...silly man...etc...
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lack of Arnie or any heart/humor...BUT the "Good" reviews basically say, when the action is on screen the movie is 'good'...when its not, the movie is leaden. I don't know about you, but I prefer movies that have some character development, or movies that make you think...or god forbid, movies that people still hold dearly after 25 years. T:S may be a "roller coaster action ride", but that doesn't make it a good movie...
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I am pretty excited about my decision to not see this movie and ruin Terminator for myself. Terminator 3 was close to awful, only saved by a few scenes, but it still had spirit. Ever since the first trailers I was skeptical, and this just affirms my suspicions.
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on a movie by Harry's reaction, we all know he has destroyed his credibility. But that does nt change the fact that Harry's not exactly alone here. The movie's getting creamed at rotten tomatoes, and Moriarty did nt like it, and unlike Harry he puts forward a well thought out and reasoned review. He has pretty much confirmed for me that this movie is nt for me. AdnI agree with him that it will probably open big like Wolverine based on the strengh of the name, and then fall big when bad word of mouth gets out...
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were shitty films pretending to be blockbusters....Newborn...nuff said. End of argument.
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Thanks for the warning, HeadGeek.
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I GOT THAT.
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U SAID IT YOURSELF,BORN IN WALES,SO THAT MEANS HES WELSH.SO GOING BACK TO MY POINT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT,
SCOTLAND FOREVER,FUCK THE QUEEN,OCH AYE THE NOO -
Little more on the PROFESSIONAL side then this review, but negative as well...
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May 20, 2009 11:41:39 PM CDT
I didn't hate Alien Resurrection because it wasn't Aliens.
by veebeeyes
I hated Alien Resurrection because it was shit. Alien 3 wasn't Aliens either and at least I got some small enjoyment out of that. Alien Resurrection was just a disaster. Sadistic, stupid and illogical (as Ebert said, does a piece of dough remember what it was like to be a cookie), and the too-many comedic moments just came off as cringe-worthy. When it tried to be funny, that killed off any sense of horror or suspense, and the jokes were mostly all just embarassingly lame. And yes, the motherfucking newborn. The Ripley/Alien sex scene. The over-the-top gore which just made it seem like the movie was trying way too fucking hard. And the fucking robot. Oh, Winona Ryder's big secret is that she's a robot? Well woopdy fucking doo, it's not as if there hasn't been a fucking robot in EVERY OTHER ALIEN MOVIE EVER MADE. Yes, the original movies were more about Ripley than the Alien. Ripley's story was also OVER in Alien 3. That's it. Either find a way to make a worthwhile Alien movie WITHOUT Ripley, or just don't make any more Alien movies. That movie sucked ass.
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May 20, 2009 11:44:55 PM CDT
How you know this is a hissy-fit for personal reasons...
by burnhollywood
When the shitstorm for THE SPIRIT hit, Harry refrained from a review up front, and allowed the site's other critics to hammer it first.
This time, he elbowed his way to the front to get his licks in before everyone else, some of whom (like Massawyrm) actually liked it.
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...'British' in reference to a language is if you say 'British English' as opposed to 'American English'. But then, you could just say 'Speaking' as opposed to 'gargling annoyingly', which is the basic difference really, when it comes down to it. And scotsman75, all I can say is David Tennant is ONLY cool when he's in Doctor Who. The rest of the time (in interviews) he's a kilt wearing, haggis eating, log throwing, drunk, woman beating, billy-connoly-fucking ape.
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Good review. One other thing that wasn't mentioned was the sloppy time-travel device. Black holes? Really? I've been bitching about this for a year now, but having the Enterprise built on the ground? Really? I understand that these things were put in the movie to create exciting visuals or whatever, but they seem like sloppy writing for what used to be pretty decent science ficion.
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THEN WHY IS HE STILL A FAT GINGER CUNT,WHO HAS TO SEND HIS WIFE OUT TO GET HIM STUFF?
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I was accepting of another real estate scam, but we got zero in the way of FUNNY, unlike Hackman's brilliantly funny stuff.
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...there is only ONE man to blame.
Shane Hurlbut.
He should have been looking FAR more closely at the light, if you ask me.
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...AICN's campaign against McG continues!! Harry has ZERO cred with me. Bad Review = No Free Shit or Comped Set Visits for Harry from the producers! AICN is a joke anymore!
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I think the problem with reading any critic is that you a given a glimpse into their personal taste. Harry likes Twilight, it made me vomit. Harry thought the new Star Trek was wonderful, I thought it was just ok. Harry thought Wolverine was empty...I completely agree. One out of three isn't bad. His opinion isn't going to make me pause before seeing this movie. So I don't need to rant and rave and call him an asshole for having a fucking opinion. I just say duly noted Harry and move on with my life as usual.
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Is the new "Nuke the Fridge".
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....why the hell would I bother walking into a pub in Glasgow to announce that? Just because they believe their silly little delusions in some pub(s) in Glasgow or wherever in Scotland, doesn't necessarily mean that the rest of the world has to share in that hallucination. The reality that the rest of the world knows is that pretty most if not all countries that are actually considered countries have, in addition to their own currency, their own sovereign (meaning, not answering to anyone else, ceremonial or not) leader, their flag, also have their own military. The last time I checked, the men in Kilts from the British Isles still fight for the Queen of England. Just like they pay for their Scottish ales in that Glasgow Pub with British pounds bearing the Queen of ENGLAND's face - ergo Scotland is a British (or English if you really want to be pedantic about it) ISLE and not an independent Country. There's an important distinction; Uganda a former British colony was able to win their independence from England - Scotland on the other hand, um not really. Yeah, I know it sucks - it's called reality and sometimes it really does taste like a shit sandwich. 'Specially for Scots in a pub somewhere in Glasgow wanting to beat people out to spelling it out to them.
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U GET ENGLISH POUNDS AND SCOTTISH POUNDS. U DONT HAVE A FUCKING CLUE.
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Should have jerked off in the theater. That's what I always do when I'm disappointed in a movie.
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just wondering.
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Same with T3 and Salvation. And while people who disagree with me usually tend to be idiots, they are certainly entitled to their opinion, however ignorant they may be.
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There is nothing wrong with this movie. Fucking nothing. It ties perfectly with T1 and T2, you don't even need T3. If you know fucking anything about the timelines and how they're alternated during the tim travel, the very few, in fact I think its only 2 differences are entirely excusable. And the only difference thats big is that Reese joins up with Connor much sooner than stated in T1.
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alien 3/ressurection and T3. If you enjoyed them, then im happy for you. At least someone got enjoyment out of them. But then we are talking simply objective opinion. I dislike those movies because they re crap imho. Alien 3 is basically a lazy remake of Alien (ala return of the jedi being a lazy remake of ANH), its a complete fuck you to the fans of the first 2 movies, it was pathetic how they killed Hicks and newt so meaninglessly and pointlessly. It makes their survival at the end of Aliens completely worhtless. Imho a movie has to be quite bad to then negatively affect the previous movie. The cgi is bad and very obvious when used. And finally, vincent wards ideas are retarded...ok, lets think about his big idea, a wooden space station...lets just say that again..a fucking wooden space station! Just because its sci-fi doesn t mean it does nt have to make any sense. And unfortunaly, while the movie was obviously changed a lot from those ideas, said ideas are still a very clear influence on the film. Sure, there are some good performances, beautiful cinematography etc...but its a massive letdown from the unlimited possibilties we were left with at the end of Aliens...
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Head Geek tells no lies, at least about Terminator Salvation. It was AWFUL. Submarines in a Terminator movie? REALLY?!? I can forgive all of the Transformers stuff, but a submarine? There was so much wrong with this movie, it's not worth the effort to try and explain it. I saw the original in 1984 on a double bill with Chuck Norris' Missing in Action. This new flick has more in common with a dopey Chuck Norris movie than it does with Cameron's undisputed masterpiece. What a disappointment.
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You're a knob.
I'm from Glasgow by the way and not all scots have a chip on their shoulder like this fucking embarassing tool!
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levels, and i really like Juenet's other films. Its many problems have been pointed out well enough by others here and better than i can. The Newborn is just flat out ridiculous (both in design and execution), the sex scene is just silly. The entire third act runs out of steam so badly and clearly has nowhere to go..etc
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submarines?!...ha ha ha ...lol please tell me thats true...
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*** spoiler zone ****
just got back form a 12:01 AM showing in Edgewater, NJ.
It's better than T3, but my ranking is T2, T1, T:salv., T3
I have to say I disagree wholeheartedly with Harry's review-- In fact there are glaring errors in his review. For example, Helen B. Carter is NOT skynet, no more than Locutus was "the borg"-- she was a face that Marcus knew and could relate to and could be used to manipulate him. Nothing more. And that fact was spoon fed right to us during that very scene. Harry, were we watching the same scene?
There were elements of Matrix, T2, and Aliens in this movie, while lifting creativity from other films, still helped a little.
A few plots went nowhere-- for example, that Connor's wife is pregnant is shown but never discussed; the resistance woman who "frees" marcus should have been shot dead yet is friend quickly and why she would free him when he is obviously a terminator and his mission is not known is just nuts. One thing the resistance knows is that skynet is very resourceful, so when encounter something that appears human but is obviously not human, she concludes he is "good" and frees him and is willing to die to do that, without any idea about him. Totally ridiculous.
Skynet seems as vulnerable as the marchine city in Matrix at times, yet is ridiculously vulnerable at other times.
Humans walk around during the day and have large above ground miliitary bases ??????? !!!! complete with aircraft hangers and about 187 flat screen computer monitors sitting in the hanger. WTF.
How, pray tell, is that all possible in light of the dreary world Michael Biehn showed us where humans live literally like rats.
No matter how you slice it, this movie is filled with a lot of discontinuity and non "canon".
Sorry, but this is true. This take Term. series in a new direction, a parallel timeline with new destiny.
Connor does evolve into a hero-- having it thrust upon him without him seeking it.
the "new ending" is short and absurd.
Sorry, but this movie for me was enjoyable overall, but disappointing at the same time.
I give it *** out of ***** stars.
I know my writing here is a all over the place-- I'm tired and just got back and a full review is not possible.
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on T3, but the TX doesnt work, she s neither memorable or cool ala the T800 or T1000. Aside from the fact that how lazy can you get? "i know lets combine the T800 and T1000!". The moment Arnold does the "talk to the hand" bullshit, the tone is completely off and the movie isnt taking itself seriously. Nevermind how pointless the movie is, its just a version of T2. Its just lazy "More of the same" filmaking...Its not a particularly bad movie, the effects and some action are all well done, but its completely forgettable...Something the first 2 never were...
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If Harry doesn't like it its gonna be awful. Thanks for saving me 6 quid.
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However if you watch the Alien 3 extended cut it is a much more enjoyable experience and makes more sense. And I was ok with A/R until the newborn showed up.
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Yes, not a complex story or anything, but just some fun straight up action.
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I'm Sorry, butI enjoyed the 4th ALIEN film and can not understand why there are so many DAMN haters! ANYWAY, TERMINATOR SALVATION was GOOD, not great. Where the HELL did all this hate come from? Sit back with some beer and enjoy a new cinematic Terminator story for crying out loud. Especially, since F'N FOX cancelled The Sarah Connor Chronicles. THATS THE REAL TRAVESTY, by the way!!!
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I wish I was making it up. Sorry for no spolier warning.
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We all hope John Conner brokers a peace with Skynet in the third film.
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Don't know what's wrong with the critics and Harry obviously didn't get enough comps from McG or something. Coming from a life long Terminator fan, it was great!
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Southafricanguy, I couldn't agree more. Going to see Alien 3 in theatres back in 92 was one of the most disappointing cinematic experiences of my life. I've grown to appreciate it a little over the years, especially the longer assembly cut; Fincher ensured that there's a couple of really nice moments, ie. the dog birth intercut with the funeral of Newt and Hicks, but over-all it is a dire waste of a film. And Alien Resurection was just embarassing- Jeunet is an imaginative director, but grossly unsuited to Alien. What was it, a slapstick Evil Dead movie in space? Dan Hedaya's hairy shouldiers, pumpkinhead alien, and Ron Pearlman doing a bad impression of Popeye? I actually thought Whedon's original script was pretty good (I managed to obtain it a year before the movie came out), but Fox got cheap and forced them to cut out some of the better stuff in it.
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I'm with Southafricanguy and TurdontheRun. Anyone else likes them that is fine, but to me those were pointless movies. The first two basically took an old genre and added space and aliens: Alien was the spooky old dark house genre (Cat and the Canary, The Bat, House of the Long Shadows, even the Thing) with a space monster; Aliens was the giant monster/insect movies set in the future (basically Them). But what was the next two? Just a bunch of people running around space stations and colonies getting butchered. They were just completely recycling elements from the first two.
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I'm generally with the critics, but I think they missed the boat on this one. Just got back. Pretty fun, really. This review by Harry? He is feeling the anger I felt after T3. A deep, seething anger about characters I enjoyed. Now, they are back, and honestly kicking ass nearly non-stop. The people saying the movie is lacking action are damned backwards. The amount of action NEARLY hurts the development. I think most people are going to come away impressed and wanting some more.
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You know why the mute kid didn't annoy as much as other film children? She only showed up to help. She was never there to get in the way.
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how the rating was a total non-issue for me also. Seemed very adult in tone.
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...better than T3 but not anywhere as good as the first two, which were actual movies. This was more of an excuse for chase scenes and explosions, although a pretty good excuse. But someone better tell Laserpants that, mathematically, he will be forced to hate this movie, because it reinforces the oversentimental Robo-step-dad theme (right down to the crying) and even resurrects GnR. At least the the first two had characters that seemed like actual humans rather than accessorized action figures. The plot seemed like an inconvenience to Mc'G's original vision of a non-stop Children of Men wannabe series of explosions and predictably implausible narrow misses, so they didn't really waste time worrying about it. I can see where all these mixed reactions are coming from, and half-shrugs of "what can I say? popcorn movie" reviews. A few spoilery-type observations, though... 1. Dark Knight is to dog throwing as Terminator: Salvation is to helicopters crashing. John Conner seems like he would crash a helicopter or two just on the way down the driveway to get the newspaper each morning. 2. Apparently infra-red is a lost technology in the future war. The border patrol would seem to have more success spotting people in the desert than Skynet. 3. But transplant surgery is now an out-patient procedure, so that's helpful. And luckily the resistance also has huge storage lockers full of teeth whitening products and eye shadow. 4. McG, if you're going to have a motorbike scene with You Could Be Mine playing, then couldn't you at least have gone full-retard when John hacks into the termicycle and had him say "Easy money"? 5. I think that's just what Christian Bale sounds like these days. He must gargle cement and drano. 6. Skynet kinda screwed itself by picking an infiltraitor (see what I did there) with the same blood type as their arch nemesis. And by saying, "Hey, how bout we just trick out this average human with advanced cybernetic capabilities, then just sorta let him go and see what happens. Couldn't hurt." 7. Good to see the core theme of the Terminator franchise-- naked guys stealing clothes-- has been kept intact. And that no matter what the outcomes of a time-traveling paradoxical loophole may be, there will always be a spark-shower factory available for the end brawl. 8. Also, it would have been cool if they reversed the trend of the terminator trying to fit in by replicating human behavior, and made it so Marcus had to try to blend in with all the other terminators at Skynet central. Maybe have them all communicate in Furlong-isms or something. All in all, I thought it was decent, but I still would have liked to have seen what a real filmmaker could have done with the future war. And I really wish they'd have gone with the original ending where a reskinned Conner/Terminator sits up and kills everyone. I would have cheered at the end for that kind of, dare I say, professionalism.
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"Apparently his brother died, he hates the machines. End of character."
Jesus Christ Harry, you're on fire. I'm bummed but you're on fire. -
This movie was badass. Did you not get that Helena Bonham Carter was the face because that was someone Marcus related with? Did you not see when it changed to Connor and Reese? This movie is right up your alley, you should of loved it. Sorry you didn't get an extended set visit or a visit from the pussy patrol courtesy of WB. Instead of Fuck this movie, Fuck this Review. This coming from a big McG hater myself. He did great.
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I sometimes wonder why I come to this site. I have finally figured it out....I come here for the talkback...i certainly dont come here for the reviews...I just came back from watching T4 and like everyone else I was worried. MCG...nuff said...but...This is not a piece of shit as Harry would like you to think...Its not as good as T1 and T2..and yes the character development needs a little work but a piece of shit?....This coming from a guy who praised Crank 2....I unfortunately read Harrys ridiculously negative review before I went to see t4...I was so bummed but you know what....I liked t4....It wasnt a masterpiece but it was a popcorn summer movie...Im sure Harry will write back that Crank 2 was tongue in cheek and supposed to be bad but when you lable a movie a piece of shit...This movie was FAR superior than Wolverine..but you wouldnt know it by fat red's review....I thought i was going to see batman and robin or battlefield earth...Harry get a grip...I think you are just scorned by Full Throttle
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Ordinalrily I try to come up with witty responses. But you're a cunt. Plain & simple.
Scottish pounds are British pounds you dick. You can spend them anywhere in Britain. & I wish you'd just shut the fuck up generally. Even your own countryman was ashamed of you. Fuck off. -
you are so overly harsh on this. did the WB do something to you...you need to become more consistent with your reviews. Im down for you to hate this or any film, but every time you do hate a film you bury it...Entourage portrayed you perfectly sir. If only McG had a bunch of porn stars comfort you before you saw it....
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So, the costumes were actually quite interesting. Post-apocalyptic military. All the new terminators were vicious. Most importantly, the T-800 was not pussied down. That fucker just kept going and going and going. I did notice how everyone had lipstick and perfect white teeth. Next time they should have Connor do something more interesting on one of those sweet bikes. Good to see McG embrace his McG moniker. Fuck the haters. His real name sucked balls, and he knew it. Now Bay needs to call himself Bayhem already.
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May 21, 2009 2:29:58 AM CDT
Harry gave a good review for angels and demons...
by beaarthurbackfromhell
T4 = shit..but Tom hanks running around like a moron= good....let me sum up Angels and Demons......religion is dumb......hanks follows a clue......car trip to another church.....religion is bad......hanks follows another clue.....car trip to another church...antimatter...Ewan is the baddie the end
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Holy shit, you are way off the mark, Harry. I just got back from a midnight screening and this movie is bad fucking ass. I loved it.
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...and have a cross-franchise twist where it turns out that Skynet eventually does win, despite John Conner heroically dying after removing their only power source by scorching the sky. Then a few hundred years pass, and Skynet has learned a bunch of big words and studied MMORPG's and creates a Matrix to house it's oblivious living human batteries, giving them a world where everything is as they expect it, but the one weakness is the Skynet Matrix's lack of comprehension of human emotion, so Matrix-world laws dictate that everyone must take the blue pill everyday to suppress their emotions. And Matrix cleric John Presconner, the most gifted Bat-fu enforcer in the whole Matrix, is tasked with keeping the peace, but he starts to doubt his identity and refuse his pills when he is tormented by hallucinations of leading a double life as a serial killer, which leads him on a twisted path to discover he is the reincarnation of the Lord Bale... leading to the ultimate scene where he puts on a cape and storms the Skynet Matrix mainframe to confront its sheepishly muttering Central Light Mainframe Architect and proceed to utterly trash the lights that power the entire Skynet grid, restoring natural light to the world and freeing the emotionally repressed human batteries and showing them how to feel human emotion again by screaming holy obscenities. Roll credits. Nash out.
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Did they have a Harry character on entourage?
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"Actually - AICN did get a set visit. Interviews with cast. McG came to my birthday and gave me a terminator head from the film. McG calls me on my phone from time to time. No - he kissed my ass proper, but when it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there."
That kind of just makes you an ungrateful asshole. I dunno about McG, but if I gave somebody gifts like that and they wrote something like what Harry wrote, I'd feel really backstabbed and hurt. Whether or not you liked the movie doesn't matter when you show such a spoiled-brat attitude. If you don't like what you received, send it to me. -
Remember than asinine rant you gave about how BAD it was and that it was just about people having sex...yes, we remember. But you were WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. Kinda thinking you're WRONG about this too.
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...Optimus Prime shows up at a dramatic moment and makes a speech and then says "Let's roll, bitches," before peeing on a mute feral kid.
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Keep talking like that, and you'll have a screenplay sold by sunrise. But your soul? Never to return!
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AND DARK SHITE,U DONT GET BRITTISH POUNDS,ITS EITHER SCOTTISH POUNDS OR ENGLISH POUNDS.
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...Blade 2 made him want to lick Guillermo's movie's chocolate covered pussy, but Terminator Salvation made him refuse to suck McG's shit covered dick. Stay gold, Harry.
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his dick had shit all over it....wow I think someone is drunk with power..I mean what ungrateful bastard talks like that. I really believe that Harry has lost it. Even if the movie WAS total shit I would be nicer that that...Im thinking about never reading another fat red review but I still like to chuckle at Harry's feeble attempts to be a real journalist.
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A lot better than T3. This had fucking great action sequences. I loved seeing Michael Ironside again!
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How can he act when the DP keeps walking into his line of sight and messing with the lights?
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...I bet Bob Orci's in here taking notes at this very moment.
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ILL SHIT ON YER GRANNYS ARSEHOLE,ILL FUCKIN EAT YOUR GOLD FISH YOU BRITTISH CUNT
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May 21, 2009 2:42:29 AM CDT
I know what the next terminator plot should be !!!
by beaarthurbackfromhell
McG sends a terminator back in time and introduces a young portly Harry Knowles to the power of vegetables. ....Terminator-"Young Harry come eat your vegetables Where are you going"...Young Harry - "I'll be FAT"
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fucking useless pedantic pop culture garbage for people who can't make their own minds up. Anything that has pop cultural significance and costs money gets a good writeup in those mags. Pointless snarky lists of 20 best this and that. Fuck those magazines, think for yourselves.
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You fuckin seabiscuit. Check out the international exchange rates you prick. Let's see if you can find scottish pounds. You won't. Because Scottish pounds are part of the British pound.
The English pound can be used in Scotland & the Scottish pound is the same, with a slight design change.
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Terminator is James Camerons baby and the first two movies are awesome. This whole sequel thinking shows us what is wrong with Hollywood... even with great movies (like the first two Terminators) they can't do a good sequel. They think they can by picking out 'cool' things from the first movies and then twist it a little to use them in a new movie. But what they pick is not what was cool in this movies. For example: The morphing T-1000 is cool and it is a great idea because he is the advanced T-800 model and it is logical. Why the hell is this perfect model transformed into part machine in T3? What is the purpose? They sure have created a new Terminator model by adding machine parts to the morphing model or vice versa... but why is it build by Skynet this way? There is no purpose. The T-1000 model is perfect... there is no need to change it. After seeing the director of Salvation talk in an interview I instantly knew he is a douchebag. I don't believe douchebags can make good movies. Sure they can make a movie their buddis would like when watching it at their next BBQ with a can of bear in their hands talking about girls. Story isn't so important at this 'meetings'. This are the kind of people who think the movie speed is great action cinema. I don't give a shit about them and their movies. I want film makers who care about characters and of course the story. Something most of them don't. It can't be so hard to create a sequel of Terminator worth watching, can't it? To fuck this up you have to be a moron who gives a shit what happened in the first movies. Why should I even watch this shit movie then? I give a shit too... and wait for AVATAR... the movie made by a man who loves what he is doing.
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Horrible movie, but better than X3, huh? That's fine by me. I'm really disappointed with Harry nowadays. He hated ALL of the Underworld movies, which a lot of people happen to love...including me. And lately his expectations on sequels, comic book adaptations, and franchise reboots have gotten WAY out of hand. Is it so hard to just sit back and enjoy something without analyzing it this much? For example: was X-Men 3 the worst of the trilogy? Yes. Was AVP a great film? No. But I found enjoyment in these films...and I loved Terminator Salvation. It was not a perfect movie, and it was nowhere near the greatness of the first two films. BUT WHO FUCKING CARES!!! Is that how snobby we've become nowadays? Every sequel now has to be on par with the GREATEST SCI-FI MOVIES IN HISTORY? I don't believe that Harry "just let it play for me." His rant sounds just like his reviews over the last few years: unrealistic expectations and unfair evaluations. I grew up on the Terminator films, and I hold this franchise in higher regard than Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. So don't give me this crap that the die-hard Terminator fans will hate this movie. I respect the opinion of any open-minded fan on this site. If you hated the movie, so be it. But I loved it, and any one else who feels the same shouldn't be made to feel like they're not a worthy enough Terminator "die-hard" just for liking this movie.
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praising this movie. Unfucking professional.
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& you'll have a hard job shitting on my "GRANNYS ARSEHOLE." You might need a shovel & a cemetary map for that you dumb cunt.
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Cudos to the man! I really appreciate Harry isn't sucking dick because of the calls and gifts and stuff. When the movie sucks it sucks! Period.
Good review. Exactly what I want to know! The most important parts done wrong. I don't care about good action scenes. The story is the most important part. -
But I'm not. Nothing personal against anybody who liked it, but it was not good.
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Another 4 stars from Total Film. I guess a war against robots isn't exciting enough for an American audience. Maybe if they had substituted the Terminators with Muslims, Arabs, Iraqis and Iranians you yanks would have been much happier.
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May 21, 2009 2:51:04 AM CDT
knowing that they are "new" talkback names makes you a loser
by beaarthurbackfromhell
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May 21, 2009 2:53:07 AM CDT
Sackratte....I guess Harrys dick didnt have shit on it...cause y
by beaarthurbackfromhell
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Oh HarryBlackPotter, you are so enlightened. Please tell us obese, warmongering, racist, xenophobic and uneducated Americans more about our flaws and how we suck as human beings, since you have all the answers and know everything.Tool.
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DARK SHITE I SGETTING ANGRY LOL
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Welcome to AICN, that's always how it's been. If you don't like a geek film that the majority loves (Star Trek Lite), you obviously hate the franchise.. if you like a geek flick that other people hate(X3), you obviously hate the franchise.
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New movies (especially sequels to good movies) should try to be as great as the original movies because everything else is an attempt to get the moviegoers money with a cheap approach: Using the original movies name with a stupid story to get people into the theaters. WHY not making a great movie instead an 'okay' one? Filmmakers always should try to make the best movie ever!
And Underworld sucked. The first movie was watchable but the sequels are exactly what I mean by using 'cool' elements without a story. I don't care about effects without good characters and drama. If you think drama is something you can find in soap operas you will like this kind of movies. But I bet you are lacking life experience then because real drama is what makes movies great. Why hasn't anyone done a movie like ALIENS since 1985? A great SciFi movie with a lot of drama. Great characters! ... I have the answer: People like you like the shit they get served. Why should the studios care about a good story and the characters when people go to the theater anyway. Think about it! -
It's a British pound with a different design.
That's why you don't see the scottish pound discussed in terms of international currency. There's only the British pound, with different designs, which were made to appease/subjigate cunts like you.
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The Tone of everything in the trailers just felt wrong. Bright and shiny desert days for the Future War. McG, "want me to trash you lights", giant robots, McG, moonblood, common, McG, mute feral kid, McG.......
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May 21, 2009 3:03:47 AM CDT
I thought the lighting in the movie kinda sucked, actually
by lockesbrokenleg
It's shot through this same blue/white shit that action directors love to do these days, but the outdoor shots are fucking great.
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Did you ever go by the name lobo tor before this?
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Yeah I said it, what?
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or would answering be like a spoiler or somethin?
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I just saw it at midnight. I can't believe how bad it was. Harry is right. Maybe they should have shown it in SciFi network instead of a theater.
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I actually thought that this film was going to be good.
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InContention: “The film sucks inspiration out of the viewer in a staggering fashion. It disavows intriguing ideas explored in the franchise to date and renders a potentially exciting re-launch of the material impotent and meaningless. It is frankly difficult to give the film a whole lot of thought."
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Dude, seriously, shave off that fucking soul patch, and go back to making Smashmouth videos. While you're at it, maybe you can direct extra special episodes of Extra in which Mark McGrath and you hang out and you don't fucking recycle every moment in your movies from something even better. Be a goddamn director not a used car salesman.
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A friend told me it plays in the opening credits. He liked the movie.. I can't wait to see it myself tomorrow.
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Gods, that was 2 and half hours of slo mo superhero shit.
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Maybe it is good. Empire & totalfilm both gave it great reviews! They're usually spot on with their reviews.
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Great read over there (tag-team review)
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SPOILERSWhere was the nuclear winter? No problems from radiation? Seems to be lots of aircraft fuel available. The robot sentries can hear a car radio but apparently loud explosions in a minefield attract no attention. Where did all that water come from in that tunnel at the beginning? Weren't they in the desert? It sure was convenient that Jeep was still in such good condition that they got it up and running in no time at all, and it had gas and a charged battery. Oh, and I must have missed the part where they revealed John Connor was actually Aquaman and could survive being dropped in the middle of the freezing-cold ocean with lots of heavy equipment. Apparently, hypothermia no longer exists in the future. Oh, and I guess women who are tough enough to be fighter pilots and fight evil robots to death will instantly betray the human race as long as the robot-guy is cute enough.
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I watched T2 last night. It was horrible. Sentimental, cheesy, emasculated. Even the action was suck. I think that they prolly ruined TS by changing the ending, but I still don't think it's possible for it to suck more than T2. Even T3 didn't suck that bad. And most of T3's prolems stemmed from trying to copy/parody the ridiculous aspects of T2.
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I just spent about an hour reading the back and forth about british accents. Damnit. I think I figured out the problem: other than Scotsman75, no one fucking cares about the difference.
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Alien Resurrection killed something wonderful? I call bullshit on that, to begin with, it isn't that bad and secondly you liked the first AvP. But kudos for slaughtering this obvious turd- proof that you don't unconditionally love everything.
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There are, in fact, only TWO British accents. 'Queen's English', and 'peasant'.
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'Kevin Costner'
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The problems with T2 are why this movie is in an impossible situation. T3 fell short because it simply recycled what they felt worked in T2 (Arnold humor, liquid metal, etc)... but this seems to be getting hate because it so differed from what people felt worked in T2, it's almost a lose lose.
Really, the inspiration for a new franchise should be the original Terminator... just do a monster movie, that's essentially what it was and why it worked so well. Instead, the Terminator franchise has constantly tried to re-capture the "magic" of T2.. when really, the fact that at the time it was innovative and we were 10 is the only "magic" that film ever had. -
The problems with T2 are why this movie is in an impossible situation. T3 fell short because it simply recycled what they felt worked in T2 (Arnold humor, liquid metal, etc)... but this seems to be getting hate because it so differed from what people felt worked in T2, it's almost a lose lose.
Really, the inspiration for a new franchise should be the original Terminator... just do a monster movie, that's essentially what it was and why it worked so well. Instead, the Terminator franchise has constantly tried to re-capture the "magic" of T2.. when really, the fact that at the time it was innovative and we were 10 is the only "magic" that film ever had. -
Cause you know that he masterbated violently while watching this movie. He's just trying to generate some "street cred."
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Stem from the T2 formula. If we're to believe that Connor really is a great millitary leader, he needs to be the one to stop the Terminator, not have his robot sidekick do everything... in 2 movies (and a TV series if you count it), he really hasn't done anything to show much ability, the good terminator always saves him... so there isn't tons to work with with Connor, we know he's going to somehow be a great millitary leader and that's that.. the only way I think you can make him interesting is if you show that all of the tampering with the past, and all of the talk of him being a great leader has turned him into a fraud who really can't be that man.
This goes back to my problems with T2, T3 and the "good robot" formula. The first Terminator movie worked because it was the human spirit and ingeniuity defeating a seemingly unstoppable force, T2 and T3 showed the only way to beat a terminator was with another terminator. Why couldn't T2 have just been Sarah up against a more advanced terminator.. the Good Terminator wasn't needed at all.
But, since T2 is such a beloved film, it becomes the gold standard, so we get an undeveloped John Connor again relying on a Good Terminator to help him save the day.
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Im not on this site a lot but I figured I would write after reading this review...the movie was fucking badass I dont care what this reviews said. Of course after the trailers and marketing there were definately parts of the story lacking...what is the deal with everyone talking about this guy not liking a movie unless he gets free shit......
Theres a part in the original trailer for this movie where John Conner turns in the water and theres a badass terminator that flys up from the water at him but this wasnt in the movie. Anyone know what im talking about or maybe this was the third act which got changed??? -
In T2 we see a 12 year old John Connor doing tactical reloads on ammo clips in the backseat of the police cruiser while the t1000 is chasing them out of the asylum. Again, a HUGE mistake was made by not letting Connor have some of his smartass nature continue. Yeah the end of the world is here and present, but the way people persist in some of the worst shit is through a sense of a humor. But McG saw Children of Men, so he kept asking Bale to channel the same pathos as the crying youtube kid who gets bitched out by his dad.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqAypbgaUKM
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....coming from a man who liked Twilight. And bunch of other shitty movies, for that matter. Who's paying you to write like this, really?
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rselves and lower your IQs by agreeing to anything laserpants says...he is the single stupidest person on the talkbacks. But then again Eli says the action in T2 sucks....so how seriously can I take anything this guy says? Look guys...you dont dig T2, cool. We all have our personal tastes etc...but I would love for either or any of you to explain to me how the action sucks...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!
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That's usually what the goofy sidekick or love interest in an action movie does when the hero is in a gunfight, though. The story of Terminator 2 and 3 weren't "John Connor realizes his destiny, it was "Robot has to save John Connor." Really, Connors ark from kid to millitary leader was the end of T3 where it was "Well now he has no choice so he might as well." I don't think the problem is the lack of smartass nature, it's again the fact that the character is regarded as needing a robot to help him or he's basically useless. Again, that's the T2 formula of "we need a good terminator to beat the bad termiantors" that has unfortunatly become the formula of this franchise through 3 sequels and a tv show.
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probably punching his mom in sadness at the shittyness of TS.
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T2 must apologize or is at fault for having been popular and achieving classic status. That it has unfairly affected McG's efforts? How about if McG just made a movie that had the same success (financial and critical) by just being that damn good? Thats like me saying that the prequal trilogy is unfairly hated by many becos the OT is too damn good...
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T1 is awesome. T2 sucked. T3 tried to get the series back on track, but it had to deal with too much T2 baggage. It did this by mocking T2 (as I see it) which I like, but it still makes the movie imperfect. T2 as it is should never have been made. I think T2 should have been about the future war, possibly exploring the fact that the timeline had been altered. Either that, or go the T3 route of having John try to stop judgement day, and failing. But without the T2 baggage. Maybe just John (and Kate?) vs a Terminator.
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what is so funny about the mute black kid... please elaborate.
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I don't think the action in T2 sucks... I think that's the reason why it's so highly regarded. It was innovative as fuck at the time. I just agree with Cash and Laserpants that it's a flawed movie that has really coasted on the Nostalgia factor. It's not close to Cameron's best, Arnold's best or the best in the franchise.
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Bale doesn't need an excuse to punch his mom. That is just called a weekday.
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Actually, Empire sucks cock worse than Harry, and they like EVERYTHING that's a blockbuster. GilesT- genius. I second that, let the plebs argue among themselves.
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that worked for another movie? How about he has an idea of his own, or uses his own imagination/creativity?
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No, if McG madea shit movie, he made a shit movie. BUT, I think criticisms like "Why isn't Connor more fleshed out?" or "Why is Marcus the main character" have a lot to about the T2 formula.. there has to be a "good terminator" and Connor has to be the side character. Same problem with The Sarah Connor Chronicles.. it was basically the Cameron Chronicles because T2 said the good robot had to be the star.
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you for having your own personal tastes so I hope you dont take anything im saying too seriously. But we will have to simply agree to disagree about T2. For me it works on all the levels its supposed to. The action is perfectly shot, framed, sense of geography. No shaky cam, close ups, mtv editing etc..The structure of the script is perfect, each action set piece builds on the next and reaches a satisfying climax. And the action is organic to the story, it only ever propels the story forward, or is used to say something about a character...
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There were a few cool shots, but it just wasn't exciting. It seemed more like Arnold tryin to look badass on a motorcycle. Plus explosions. T3 has more of a wow factor. He kicks over an ambulance while swinging from a wrecking ball. He flips a truck. The fight scene in the bathroom, while it is slapstick, actually takes advantage of the possibilities of two robots doing battle. In T2 they basically just slam each other into walls.
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thinks T2 should have been a remake of T1? No thanks i had already seen that movie. I like sequals that are actually different movies that just have the same characters and are set in the same universe. Also, Cameron has always dealt with the theme/idea of technology being the source of both our potential destruction or salvation. T1 is tech as our destruction through and through. T2 is how that same tech can be our slvation...imho its a nice subverting of the first movie, and it plays off all the techno phobe attitudes created in T1...
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No worries, no offense taken, never thought you were attacing, you had some well thought out and well put points and I do agree with you about the action in T2.
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like slapstick action in a serious movie. And i prefer my action to be well thought out and intelligent (which it isnt in T3, its more the Bay school of spectacle at all costs), and as I posted for the action set pieces to flow perfectly into each other and build on the previous one organically (again T3 does nt do this). Plus, Mostow isnt able to do sustained dramatic action in that way....where is it done in T3?
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PC BASED??
FUCKING PC BASED??????
what the fuck ISN'T PC based - your Mac sure fucking is - or should I say overpriced Linux with an Apple logo on it
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be Cameron's best movies?
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Even the lines were the same. Now instead of a love story between reese and sarah, its between sarah and John. ("I love you Sarah, I always have"-Reese "I love you John, I always have"- Sarah) The structure of the film was the same, even ending in an industrial setting where the terminator is destroyed, preceded by a vehicle swapping chase scene, where the bad guy is apparently destroyed only to resurrect. I think it should have been different. Just john trying to stop a terminator. No future helpers. That seems more fitting for demonstrating what John is supposed to be.
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT,AND U DONT GET BRITTISH POUNDS,IT SAYS ON IT BANK OF SCOTLAND,SCOTTISH POUND OR BANK OF ENGLAND.SO AS USUAL IVE PROVED U WRONG WAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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Get a clue. The action in T2 is some of the best in cinema history. That's not in dispute. T3's action was just things blowing up (not to mention a weaker re-hash of the setpieces of T2). T3 was garbage.
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Dude, I understand you are sad that first the Alien then the Terminator series have been fucked over. The thing is, I really don't think they were ever thought-through mythologies like Star Trek, or Star Wars, or even Matrix. However, what Jim DID give us, at a very important time in movie history, was TWO ground-breaking leads in the form of Ripley and Sarah Connor. T2 and Aliens are character pieces to an unbelievable degree, and most of us had never seen women who not only kicked ass but also had true values - especially caring for children. Without that post-feminist spine, neither world is really of much interest.
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"Plus, Mostow isnt able to do sustained dramatic action in that way....where is it done in T3?" I'm not sure what you're talking about? An example of what you mean, or an explanation of what is sustained dramatic action?
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groundbreaking creation of 3 dimensional ass-kicking women in sci-fi action films..
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"Get a clue. The action in T2 is some of the best in cinema history. That's not in dispute." I'm disputing it, so I'd say it is in dispute. I doubt I'm alone in my feelings. "T3's action was just things blowing up (not to mention a weaker re-hash of the setpieces of T2)." How does that differ from T2?
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action is how Cameron basically strings several action set piecs together. Typically the first act of his movie is all setup and some action. This useally involves more than one action set piece back to back (think how the bathroom shootout in true lies flows into the horse/bike chase, or how the first T800/T1000 fight flows into the truck chase) the second act is then all character development so that when the action and finale come the audiance actually gives a shit about whats going on in the action. The third act is then useally 3 sperate action set pieces that flow into each other (sustained action), think how the shootout at the terrorist hideout flows into the action scene on the bridge, which in turn then flows into the harrier jet sequence. And Cameron does it so that its organic to the story, and it never becomes boring, unlike T3...
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a remake, in several important wys it absolutely not. Granted its not as much of a complete sequal ala Aliens, but nonetheless..
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T2 was a remake of T2? Really? Considering Arnold wasn't even playing the same character that he did in the first, that the film expanded characters like Sarah Connor from where they left off last time, and basically presented inverse themes from the original...no, just no.Also, Arnie playing a good terminator in T2 is an essential element of that story, for all sorts of dramatic, narrative, thematic, and philosophical reasons. Without it, there is no HOOK to that story. And that's what you need from a storytelling standpoint, otherwise who the hell wants to see endless sequels featuring ever advanced terminators? That's a waste of time. In short, T2 is a masterpiece (and that's nothing to do with nostalgia; it still holds up). T3/ TSalvation, etc. are mindless garbage that did not need to be made and add absolutely nothing to the story.Maybe you T2 bashers should have a circle jerk with Laserpants, eh?
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I think the coke binge for Harry's inevitable "Twilight: Unspoilt vag" deep throating is a storming idea. Where can I sign up? I do have to warn you though, I'm liable to stuff his review with nasty psuedo-porn.
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T2 was a remake of T2? Really? Considering Arnold wasn't even playing the same character that he did in the first, that the film expanded characters like Sarah Connor from where they left off last time, and basically presented inverse themes from the original...no, just no.Also, Arnie playing a good terminator in T2 is an essential element of that story, for all sorts of dramatic, narrative, thematic, and philosophical reasons. Without it, there is no HOOK to that story. And that's what you need from a storytelling standpoint, otherwise who the hell wants to see endless sequels featuring ever advanced terminators? That's a waste of time. In short, T2 is a masterpiece (and that's nothing to do with nostalgia; it still holds up). T3/ TSalvation, etc. are mindless garbage that did not need to be made and add absolutely nothing to the story.Maybe you T2 bashers should have a circle jerk with Laserpants, eh?
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he's not talking about laymen like us here on an internet talkback. He's talking about other filmakers and sreen writers. Many of the best have gone on record praising the action. As well as notable critics, and film historians...
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NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.
& it doesn't say the bank of scotland, it says the ROYAL bank of scotland. The English pound says the royal bank of england, which is why shops in England are legally bound to accept your scottish money, but don't like to. Because it's gypsy money.
Nevertheless, they are British pounds. GBP. Every single comment you've made on this TB has been wrong, because you're fucking retarded.
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As for any formula that subsequently occured, what the hell's that got to do with Cameron (and as far as I'm concerned his movies are the only real Terminator series). Cameron would surely have given us a T3 that was as different from T2 as T2 was from T1, since he makes sequels that stand as movies in their own right and expand on or invert aspects of their predecessors. In short, T2 is a masterpiece (and that's nothing to do with nostalgia; it still holds up). T3/ TSalvation, etc. are mindless garbage that did not need to be made and add absolutely nothing to the story.Maybe you T2 bashers should have a circle jerk with Laserpants, eh?
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In fact it was constantly stringing action scenes together. And T2's action sequences bore me. T3's would as well, except for how ridiculously over the top they are.
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here that we should all know about..lol..
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Because she owns you. I'm not gonna reply to you so go fuck a haggis you ginger haired, smelly arsed, skirt wearing, manky scots fraggle cunt.
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Read up the thread. The guy's a fucking lunatic! He's been at it throughout the whole thing, ranting in capitals.
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, which is fine. T3 only has it to the extent that Mostow tries to ape Cameron's style...but its no where the same thing. Sorry dude, but for me if you find the action in T2 boring, but you like T3's becos its over the top..well then it sound like you are more into the more modern/Bay style of over the top action, where its all about the explosians and how bigger and louder it can get...
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Same structure. Just shifted the variables around and made it a lot less interesting by focusing on family values. And Arnold as the good guy is the "hook"? Really? Arnold playing the same oneliner spewing tough guy hero that he did in every other movie is supposed to be a compelling twist? Arnold as the bad guy was what was cool about the first one.
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ignore him my friend. He sounds like Laserpants. And you dont want to waste your time and IQ point arguing with a halfwit...
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I keep telling him I'm not going to reply, but then he'll say something so utterly braindead, I end up replying.
I get out & they pull me back in:-).
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same. And as for wether its interesting or not..well thats purely subjective isnt it? Since T2 has a 100% fresh rating at rottentomatoes and it made a shit lot more money than T1 (in large part due to repeat business...thats how it worked back then for the most part) obviously a lot of people would disagree with you on that point...
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I like T3's action because mostow realized what it was. In T2 the action is just a distraction from the main story. Same in T3. Mostow realized that it was a distraction and just decided to have fun with it. The same way he parodied the ridiculous T2 "hook" of having Arnold as the good guy. Once you soften a character like the terminator into a harmless father figure, the next logical step is having him wear a gay stripper outfit and saying things like "talk to the hand".
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Who cares if Arnold is a great bad guy in T1? It'd been DONE. Time for something new. The reason why Arnold as a good guy is a stroke of genius is because it exemplifies Cameron's common themes of tech being used for good/ or evil purposes. The tech itself is 'immoral'. That's what that movie is all about.Same basic structure (which is entirely deliberate), or the fact that its about Terminators coming back in time has NOTHING to do with a movie being a remake or not. Please check the definition of the word. Now T3, that, sans the ending was indeed a play by play remake of T2.
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I just saw it, and at no point did anybody except john conner know tha kyle reese was supposed to be his dad. so how is that a plot hole? did they mention it in previous terminators?
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Maybe on totalfilm? Where he said the one thing they didn't want to do was a road movie.
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I don't know who that dickhead is, but I guarantee he's probably not a 'scotsman', just some loony. Ignore the fucker.
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As a half scot I take offense to that. I'm not ginger.
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"Who cares if Arnold is a great bad guy in T1? It'd been DONE. Time for something new."
Arnold as a good guy isn't new.
"The reason why Arnold as a good guy is a stroke of genius is because it exemplifies Cameron's common themes of tech being used for good/ or evil purposes. The tech itself is 'immoral'. That's what that movie is all about." I though it was about John Connor learning how to "smash those metal motherfuckers into junk." And if the tech is amoral, why'd they blow up cyberdyne?
"Same basic structure (which is entirely deliberate), or the fact that its about Terminators coming back in time has NOTHING to do with a movie being a remake or not. Please check the definition of the word. Now T3, that, sans the ending was indeed a play by play remake of T2."
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Then that is the first thing I agree with you on. T3 was a farce.
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It's the scottish fucking banks that have bankrupted the fucking nation- and should have been allowed to go to the wall, except a Scottish PM and Scottish Chancellor decided to bail the fuckers out with ENGLISH tax-payer money. Fuck Scotland.
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I'm half Scot too. Half Scot, half Irish. How's that for an unfortunate pedigree?
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SO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT,WE KNOW THAT,NO SUCH THING AS BRITTISH POUNDS,WE KNOW THAT,AND IVE PROVED U WRONG TIME AND TIME AGAIN DARKSHITE,CHRISTIAN BALE IS WELSH AS HE WAS BORN IN WALES,SO IVE PROVED U WRONG IN EVERY CASE.
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All of 'em. Bunch of cunts. That includes you Dad. Fuck off.
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between a remake and a sequel. T2 is not a remake of T1. It's a sequel. This should be obvious. Are you one of those cretins that thinks Aliens is a remake of Alien?A sequel has to include, by definition, some of the features from the original. However, that doesn't make it a remake. It isn't even structurally similar- the second half of T2 with all the shit about getting to Cyberdyne to stop Skynet isn't remotely similar to anything in T1. You're talking bollocks. Laserpants, who despises T2, doesn't think it's a remake. If anything T3 is closer to a remake than T2.
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'cause your dad worked there? Would that make you an Englishman?
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YOUR PRIME MINISTER IS SCOTTISH,WE RUN YOUR COUNRTY FOR U AND THE WHOLE OF BRITTIAN,EVEN THE ROYAL FAMILY IS SCOTTISH ROOTS,AND WORLD WIDE SCOTS R LOVED,ENGLISH ARE DISLIKED THATS A FACT,AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT AS ITS A UNION OF 3 COUNTRYS,SO YET AGAIN IVE PROVED ALL OF U WRONG,SCOTLAND FOREVER,FUCK ENGLAND
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tation well to bitch slap idiots on the talkbcks intellectually..lol.
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weirdFuck all of them. You can have your independance, fuck off north of Berwick where it fucking rains all the time and the women are fat minging incomprehensible plebs. That goes doubly for Wales.
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You Scottish nonce.
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But I didn't read it. The fact of the matter is Harry only tends to like things when the studio sucks his dick. Fuck you Harry.
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"between a remake and a sequel.
T2 is not a remake of T1. It's a sequel. This should be obvious. Are you one of those cretins that thinks Aliens is a remake of Alien?"
I haven't watched Aliens in quite a while, so I'm not sure.
"A sequel has to include, by definition, some of the features from the original. However, that doesn't make it a remake. It isn't even structurally similar- the second half of T2 with all the shit about getting to Cyberdyne to stop Skynet isn't remotely similar to anything in T1."
That was a plot point of the original that they dropped to keep it simpler. The scenes that establish this were filmed and can be found as DVD extras. That was the reason that Reese and Sarah ended up at cyberdyne. they were trying to blow it up to avert judgment day.
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Just fine. I could do this all day. Trust me, there are far more intellectual people on here that I've ran rings around. I haven't slipped into a groove yet.
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in no way is it a remake! it takes off from where the first one left off and furthered the story. T3 is THE remake jackass (of T2) that was my prob with T3, it was utterly needless.
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"Then that is the first thing I agree with you on. T3 was a farce."
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McG is a director with an above-average eye and an original instinct for camera placement. To his credit, he’s not one of those lazy types who thinks he can generate excitement in an action sequence by shaking the camera or kicking it. But he has a major weakness as a filmmaker, and that weakness is all over Terminator Salvation: His grand, elaborate visual sense is completely detached from his brain.
So, what we end up with is a filmmaker who gets it right in all the small ways, meticulously crafting bits of action — showing what it might be like, for example, to be inside a crashing helicopter. But in all the big ways, he’s so lost that the movie becomes comical. He piles action blowout on top of blowout. When in doubt, he increases the scale. Explosions get larger, fireballs bigger. The machines become increasingly resilient, as the soundtrack goes right up to your ears and keeps pounding.
Yet, nothing he does can distract us from the fact that he barely has a story to tell. The only question is: Was he covering for the absence of story, or did he actually not notice the lack of one?
Who ever thought in 2003 that we’d look back on Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines as the good old days? Yet, the previous Terminator film, thought to be the absolute nadir, had two things going for it. It had Arnold (if you think a Terminator movie can be bad with Arnold, try one without him). And it had a villain.
There is no villain in Terminator Salvation, no locus of wickedness, just some nebulous evil entity known as Skynet, a company that builds killer robots and has already depopulated most of the Earth through a nuclear holocaust. But is Skynet satisfied? No, they want to keep trying to kill John Connor, who is now in his 30s and the leader of the human, anti-Skynet resistance.
When Christian Bale allowed himself to play Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins, he was slumming — and to good effect. But with Terminator Salvation this ostensibly serious actor takes up residence in the action ghetto, and it’s not a good fit. As John Connor, he goes through the film gritting his teeth and talking in a growling whisper, as though he still had the Bat ears on. Bale will get away with it this time, for the simple reason that no one is going to be looking at this as a performance — it’s more like posing as things blow up. But soon this actor will have to decide if he wants to be more like Sean Penn or Nicolas Cage.
Much is made in Terminator Salvation of the strength and sophistication of the new killing machines. One is about the size of a five-story building and has a machine gun for a head. Most are human-size and look like animated metal skeletons. However, at one point in the film, Skynet comes up with a new creation that has human skin and can speak, and the company calls him the ultimate infiltration machine.
But wait. All three previous Terminator villains looked human and were capable of speech. They could infiltrate human society, too. So how is this new model an advance? And if Skynet really wanted to infiltrate the human population, why would it keep manufacturing those monstrous-looking steel-skeleton robots?
Sam Worthington, as a mysterious ex-con who becomes a key player in the resistance, is the one element to salvage from the mess. Largely unknown until, well, this morning, this Australian actor has the appealing masculine authority that’s becoming his country’s trademark. He also carries himself well in a couple of emotional scenes, despite awkward dialogue and one grimly dramatic, unintentionally hysterical moment that will have audiences howling.
Still, why complain about botched dramatic scenes in a movie that’s all about the action? So let’s end with a word about the action itself: It isn’t really action. It’s commotion. It can’t be action, if nothing happens.
Terminator Salvation looks busy, but it’s static. The thing doesn’t budge. It’s an epic waste of time.
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and thanks for fucking the country. Let me ask you this cock jockey: who in England voted for the useless, insane, corrupt monocular cunt? And as soon as he has the balls to call an election we'll be kicking his fat arse out.
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"in no way is it a remake! it takes off from where the first one left off and furthered the story."
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while i sometimes respect your reviews on this site i have to say you just come off like a whiny bitch on this one .
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May 21, 2009 5:26:43 AM CDT
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so it's not in it then? You're talking bollocks.
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1)Their own national anthem is about how they were quite good 1000 years ago, but are shit now. 2)Despite having allegedly invented everything of use on the planet, they couldn't manage to invent trousers. 3)Modern Scots dress was invented by an Englishman for the amusement of Queen Victoria. 4)They've never made it out of the group stage at the world cup, and so have a worse record than Wales. 5)The average male life expectancy of some parts of Glasgow is lower than in Siberia6)Edinburgh is still the smack and AIDS capital of Europe.
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Yes, of course it was. Meanwhile, T2 was generally a serious and rather grim movie, with humour that was appropriate within the context of the story and carefully modulated (you don't seen Sarah Connor cracking jokes do you?). Give it up dude. T3 was dreck!BTW, what's with all the national stereotypes here? Scotsman, go and kill yourself by downing a full bottle of famous grouse with some sleeping pills, you gibbering idiot. LostJarv and Darkshite, why don't you little englanders address your complaints about your cousins north and west of the borders (and across the sea)to the appropraite forum (ie. The Daily Mail), signed disgusted Turnbridge Wells? Why can't we all just get along?!
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Goddamn! Best review I've read from Harry in ages! I think that if harry didn't like it and he's usually a pretty lenient guy I mean forgiving watchmen even after that shit of an ending...argh! Anyway what was I saying? Yeah umm nice review Harry. Don't be afraid to express your anger more ofter. I reckon you are pretty damned entertaining when you are angry.
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I don't have a problem with people over the border or internationally. I live in Japan FFS.
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McG,Sommers and Bay! "In a world where Hollywood is desperate to ca$h in on toy franchises and psuedo sequels.."
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"Yes, of course it was. Meanwhile, T2 was generally a serious and rather grim movie, with humour that was appropriate within the context of the story and carefully modulated (you don't seen Sarah Connor cracking jokes do you?)."
T2 was funny cause it was stupid. "I know now why you cry, though it is somehting I can never do". T3 was just making fun of this terminator with feelings goofiness.
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I've never understood the arbitrary dislike most Scots have of England (and vice-versa). Seems particularly redundant in this day and age. Back on topic: Salvation looks entertaining, I'll likely watch it.
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THIS MOVIE IS BRILLIANT.
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man you are a fucking idiot.
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If you read the whole thread, you'll see exactly why. It's like a micro-cosm of everything wrong with some Scots & why we react. Not that I'm reacting anymore. Any of bhis posts directed at me will get the wone word answer.."Nonce".
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I agree. It seems utterly ridiculous that either side would bear a chip on their shoulder simply for the sake of it. Alas...I've just noticed Drag Me To Hell opens on my birthday here. Score!
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Harry Knowles should be ashamed of himself. I honestly cannot believe a film critic of his magnitude could have so sorely missed the point of the new Terminator franchise and at the same time fail to understand the elements that make Terminator: Salvation a great film.
First and foremost I do believe that any critic can honestly have issues with some of the emotiveness in the film. While this is true we as an audience need to understand two things. 1. Contemporary audiences are not as apt to go for emotional content in Summer blockbusters as they were in yesteryear (there’s many reasons for this and chief among them is the vast improvement in special effects technology that accomplishes audience immersion into the story through visual stimulation) 2. This film is about the future war with the Machines first and foremost and not John Connor’s journey as hero of the resistance. Consider the first two films as being narrated by Sarah Connor, the third by the T-800 sent back to protect John, and this film as being narrated by a grunt in the resistance. My point here is that the first two films capture the emotional power of Sarah Connor, the third not so much, and this one captures the feeling of a trooper involved in a war with the machines who is being led by giants like John Connor and General Ashdown. In short this movie is not about John Connor’s existential condition in the way the first two reflected that of Sarah Connor. Welcome to the rebooted Terminator franchise Harry, if you don’t like it then shut up and don’t watch. Don’t critically pan the director for making a film you refuse to understand! Mcg infuses emotion in this film where need be and pours on the eye candy in a believable manner that will leave audiences wanting for more.
Secondly, Harry failed to see that this film was basically a giant homage to James Cameron’s films. Consider the chase scene when the bike jumps off the bridge in front of the tow truck (that’s a nod to T2), the final fight against the T-101 in the factory (that’s a heads up to T1), and the climactic helicopter flying away with the nuclear explosion in the background? Well Aliens of course! Mcg shows respect where respect is due and in doing so perfectly melds what made 80’s movies awesome with the cinematic style of today. I challenge Harry to find a film that so respectfully takes it hat off to Cameron and treads so lightly in deference to his previous work. Comparing this to Alien Resurrection? Really Harry? I think you may need to rewatch the entire Aliens franchise (Including the AVP turds) in order to get an appropriate feel for how you destroy and disrespect a franchise. This was clearly not done here.
Harry points to the sequence when Marcus accesses Skynet as being excrutiating because Helena Bonham Carter is addressing Marcus. Watch closely Harry that is NOT Helena Bonham Carter talking, Skynet clearly says “we are using her voice and face because it works best in order to control you.” It isn’t her talking and that’s a major plot point. For all we know Harry, Helena Bonham Carter may have created Wright with the duplicitous goal of helping Connor while knowing fully well that Skynet would be expecting him to be a stealth assassin cyborg. This probably isn’t the case but her character seems to be intentionally left mysterious.
I don’t know what kind of elite hardcore film critic audience watches movies on a crappy screen but the one here at the RegalCinemas in Redwood gave the movie a round of applause at the end. Why? Because the film gave us what we wanted! On a base level, all of us who remembered seeing the earlier films as kids or teenagers and feeling powerless against the machines were overjoyed by the character of Marcus Wright. It’s one thing to fight back against the machines with rocket launchers and large caliber bullets, it’s a whole different story when you’re tossing T-101’s around like ragdolls, jumping on robot jet transports without thinking twice and getting knocked around at something like a hundred miles an hour then getting up. Marcus Wright gives us something personal, he gives us payback, he lets us fight back on an equal standing and that has always been an element missing from the series love it or hate it. Because of this he stands in stark contrast to John Connor who fight like mad but is still a mere human though with delusions of godhood.
Now onto the issue of Connor. Christian Bale is great as a grown up Connor. Sadly for Bale however Anthony Yelchin and Sam Worthington upstage him quite profoundly. It’s not a knock against Bale, both men are just that good. The dichotomy between Connor and the Resistance commanders is great and in my opinion something that should be explored further (As in no General John to begin T5 Mcg!). Connor seems like a nutcase of sorts with his small band of loyal followers and his radio show, while the surviving high command of all Earth’s governments afford him a grudging respect based on his tactical ability and battlefield success (thanks to Sarah Connor’s training) they do not step aside and proclaim him the hero they’ve been waiting for. I for one think this is beautifully done and an excellent nod to Sarah Connor. She prepared her son to be a fine warrior and left him countless hours of audio tapes to guide him during the war. This has allowed him to realistically command the respect of his comrades through his fantastic military ability. Even so, he must realistically work his way up and show he has the “right stuff” before people believe he is who he says he is. Allow me to put this in layman terms for you Harry. If Machines launched a nuclear war today, and I am forced to fight for my life the LAST person I am going to take orders from is some 19 year old weirdo in a Nuclear Bunker who broadcasting to the world that he’s basically the messiah, I’ll take the Delta Force Sergeant who’s been fighting wars for two decades first anyday. Now if that same 19 year old after a couple years wins tons of battles, shows great and endearing qualities such as by saving scores of prisoners who would otherwise have been killed in resistance airstrikes, and prophesizes advancements in machine technology that haven’t yet heard THEN I may rationally need to reconsider. Mcg displays John as the competent Tactician whose cult of following is just starting to gather steam. He displays the leadership qualities that the humans are looking for because he cares more than anybody else about humanity’s future. The movie portrays people looking to John but they still wonder if he truly is “the one.”
Now onto the Moon BloodGood/Sam Worthington pairing. Bloodgood is a damn fine looking woman, but Mcg kind of rubs it in by going overboard to make her look hot and desirable (Her hair is perfect in every scene). I’ll be the first to admit that their lines are ripped right from the Ryan and Marissa playbook that Mcg has tucked into his back pocket.The cheesiness of their lines are overcome by the fact that these two have chemistry. This is Mcg’s casting genius, they just look good together on screen and when they deliver their lines the underlying passion between them that the audience can feel because of their chemistry reduces the cheesiness to an almost undetectable level. If in T5 Mcg sends her back with the rest of the crew to find Marcus in the present day he better use the hell out of their scenes because this is the chief Love story for this franchise whether he likes it or not. In fact her chief motivation for going back in T5 should be for Marcus, their few scenes on screen together are so good that this would actually be believable.
Now onto the action and special effects. These are all great and really capture the feeling of what the war would be like. I only ask for more exposition on these and perhaps a major setpiece battle with large land and air armadas in the next film. Do this without losing the grittiness of this film and we’ve got a winner. The film didn’t seem to overdo the CGI and the digital rendition of Arnold’s face was fun and refreshing. I personally enjoyed the scenes of Marcus’ Terminator like dedication in combat. Especially impressive was his willingness to take on an HK and a transport ship just to rescue Kyle Reese, whether this was a product of his Skynet chip or some trick Helena Bonham Carter was pulling on the machines remains to be seen but this guy simply does not give up. Marcus also just comes off like a tough badass and this makes his action scenes really enjoyable with the exception that I really wanted a little back to back Aussie asskicking with him and Bale taking on some Machines. The tactics and professional movements of the Techcom commandos really up the believability of the film, I really feel like these are serious people at war when they operate rather than cheesy military ciracatures. If you enjoy anything from this movie it will be the gritty special effects and the sweet scenes of robot/human warfare imo more entertaining than Star Trek’s because it seemed more real.
Overall this is the best movie of the Summer so far. While it isn’t the perfect Terminator film (It is afterall PG-13) it definitely reboots the franchise in a solid way but with room for improvement just as with Batman Begins. It’s an excellent opening act that tells a compelling tale while introducing us to the main players. Special effects, acting, and plot are all good to go. There are a few elements that need to be fixed (chief among them character interaction and complexity), but due to the high level of polish exerted on this film this seems minimal for now-let’s hope it doesn’t stick around to drag down the other films. The new trilogy is off to a great start (better than Star Wars was) and Mcg needs to only take the subsequent films up from here.
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GNR does nt make sense, that ype of band isnt psuedo rock (that would be watered down crap like U2), that type of band is rock...
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That's a big post.
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if you drink enough. I bet you're not even scottish. I bet you're Welsh. Tunbridge Wells is in Kent, I think.
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Makes you Ginger.
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I trust that more than any other review online.
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you. You are most welcome to your opinions regarding T2 (it was nt for you), but the fact remains that its considered one of the classics of action sci-fi filmaking, and an example of how to do a successful sequal for a reason...
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Sigh. Where would I start?
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There are exceptions, but in most cases sequel equals money grab.The first Terminator movie was perfect and said everything that needed to be said. The second one was fine, but was it necessary? Bigger action, more CG, but necessary? No it wasn't. Why should anyone who's seen a single frame of any Charlie's Angels movie think some douche calling himself McG would one-up James Cameron? HA! This film is exactly what anyone with two firing neurons would fully expect it to be, so why does Harry sound so betrayed? Did he actually have EXPECTATIONS? You have expectations of directors like Ridley Scott and actors like Gary Oldman, guys like "McG" tour with Pink and expect comped drinks at medicore dance clubs.
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about Empires reviews, i feel i can mostly trust them. But they have been wrong b4. Lets remember that they also gave indy 4 four stars and they gave good reviews to the prequal trilogy as well....
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rottentomatoes as thats a broad spectrum of reviews by a broad spectrum of film critics...
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Has the film featured heavily in previous issues? Check. On-set visits? Check. Poster giveaways and other promo material included recently? Check. 'Safe' review of four stars (see Indy IV and other multiplex dreck)? Check. Empire just going through the motions to guarantee market share? Check.
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If you hadn't crapped on this film so hard, I might not have enjoyed anything about it, but thanks to you, I had fun watching shit blow up and robots fighting.
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...that was the best scene in KotCS. A man out of place in his time. Much more visually interesting than the 45 minute chase that the rest of the movie devolved into.
And Alien Resurrection was a fine movie, better than '3'
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3 is way underrated. Resurrection is 2/3 good, ruined by the stupid last half an hour. The director's cut doesn't make any difference- not like the Assembly cut of 3, which is a vast improvement.
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remember, Empire gave 5 out of 5 to Attack of The Clones solely because they gave TPM 4. They even said it in the review. They're worse than Harry, because Harry does occasionally flame something and they never do.
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NOT ONE GOOD ACTOR CAME OUT OF ENGLAND.BEST JAMES BOND SCOTTISH FACT.WORST BOND TIMOTHY DALTON,HORRIBLE ENGLISH CREEP,IVE PROVED U ALL WRONG AGAIN,ILL SHIT IN YER GRANNYS HAND BAG AND NOT TELL HER,OCH AYE THE NOO JIMMY UCTER FUKIN MUCKTY
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Nonce.
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oh dear. Lawrence Olivier? Dalton was either 2nd or 3rd best bond depending on where you rank Craig. But that's because Dalton was closest to the novels.
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& Totalfilm etc, is that while they do have some shit reviewers & ues, do they have on-set visits & the like, they don't throw hissy fits.
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Dalton is Welsh, you ignorant scrotum!You are not a Scot,btw.
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Nonce.
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IF IT WASNT FOR US SCOTS,NONE OF U WOULD BE SITTING HERE AT ALL TALKING ABOUT MOVIES.AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITTISH ACCENT,PROVED U ALL WRONG AGAIN
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You sassenach cunts
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That was stolen from a German.
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One Scot invented the televison. Not Scots.
We'd still be here talking about movies. We'd have Cinema, invented by a Frenchman & the internet, invented by an Englishman.
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THERES MY NUMBER IF U HAVE A PROBLEM.
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You sure you wanna join this dumb fucker? Have you seen his posts? You might wanna check them out. Or are you part of his noncing club?
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After all, the guy's name is "McG." That says it all right there. That being said, there were some well put together trailers for this film. Whoever made this shit storm look exciting probably deserve bigger paychecks.
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how come you couldn't manage trousers (something the rest of the world managed)?
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That's all you gotta say to win the argument.
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Nonce?
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Funny, that. I last saw that number on a postcard just below "Fat slag that sucks cock for pennies" on the inside of a phone booth in Oxford St.
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If you guys don't get your shit together.
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Give it back.
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Already happened. There are parts of my hometown where a white man can't even enter.Not that I'm anti-immigration, but that's a bit much!
They don't even need to move these days. The last time I was home I called a cheap flight company to get back here. I got through to a call centre with some Indian guy.
"Hello, my name is Kevin."
Is it fuck!
I could hear fucking chickens in the background.
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May 21, 2009 7:10:42 AM CDT
THOUSANDS OF IRISH CHILDREN RAPED BY CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND NUNS
by bringingsexyback
That should give the Protestant Loyalists some leverage in the argument.
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THATS WHY U GOT TO HIRE AUSTRALIANS AND WELSH AND SCOTTISH GUYS TO PLAY AMERICANS FOR YOU
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May 21, 2009 7:13:09 AM CDT
YES, I'VE SPOKEN WITH A "MONICA" ONCE ON DELL SUPPORT
by bringingsexyback
And I swear I could hear those same chickens. If I'm to get terrible tech support I want it to be from an American.
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It deftly blends threads from 3 films to create an interesting and enjoyable fourth, Aliens Vs Predator killed that franchise, not Joss Whedon.
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but it was a good sign off to the series and retained enough of what made the others successful to deserve its place. As far as i'm concerned Alien is a 3 part series and ripley dies.
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I totally agree with Smashing about AvP. Suppose it had to happen eventually.
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This review doesn't surprise me and probably accurately portrays this film. I want to like it but knowing how awful McG is I expect Harry to be right. The problem is that you never really know if you can trust Harry anymore. Payola sucks. I'll probably see it and regret it afterwards. I hate that there are all these Trek comparisons here. Get over it Trek bashers.
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I could hear a fucking Sitar in the background.
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If Phantom Menace has taught us anything, it's that you should go into these films without expectations. Sequels are, by definition, by-products of the original. They'll NEVER live up to the movies we fanboys and geeks have in our imaginations. Me? I just sit back and enjoy the ride. This approach got me through Crystal Skull and kept me from crying and vomiting simultaneously. Not every filmmaker is a James Cameron or Cristopher Nolan.
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I smell like an ill baby.
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Aren't the Welsh just provincial Brits?
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ALL Brits are provincial Brits. You see, scotsman actually had a valid point at first, that Americans sometimes confuse British with English.
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Was written by Devin Faraci from CHUD.com
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Christian Bale renounced his nationality years ago. He just keeps on having extra teeth fitted to his mandibles in the hope that it will make him seem more american. Did you hear he likes teeth? Well now he has teeth on his teeth so he can chew while he chews. ridiculous human being.
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Skynet knows that Kyle Reese is significant. When they sent back the Terminatrix in part 3 to jumpstart Skynet, the 'new' Skynet would have immediately known everything she knows, she would have given it the same target files that she was working off. Skynet would also have the police records from the events of Terminator, they knew exactly when they sent the T-800 so it wouldn't take them too long to notice Kyle Reese's name all over the reports.
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How about getting her one, asking what SHE needs? Some nerds really don't know how to take care of their women.
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Indy 4 were made by the same people who were responsible for the original movies and... it sucked big time!
What is wrong in Hollywood? Why aren't movies like they were 30 years ago?
Has stupidity grown so much over the years they think they can film every shit they like and people are applauding?
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just reply by saying 'oh, hello Kevin, this is Jagdish.'
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May 21, 2009 9:14:13 AM CDT
I still can't believe people cry about the tiniest things about
by rob0729
Do people really want to trash the whole movie because liquid metal can't go back through time or the T-1000 asks Sarah to call out John's name? Who cares if the T-1000 was liquid metal? Maybe since it can duplicate the look and feel of real skin tissue that it can trick the time machine into thinking it is real tissue. Seriously are little things like this going to ruin a movie for people?
Did it ruin Star Wars that entire rebel fleet couldn't destroy the Death Star, but a single bomb from an X-Wing fighter through a little hole could blow the whole thing up?
Did it ruin Raiders of the Lost Ark that Indy inexplicity was able to ride a sub hundreds of miles strapped to a periscope?
Did it ruin the Matrix that a man in his early to mid 30s who had never so much lifted a feather in his entire life and spent it entirely stationary in a Matrix pod would emerge buff like he would have been training for months to be in a Matrix film where he would be doing a lot of martial arts and gynastic stunts?
Did it hurt the Dark Knight that Harvey was able to actually get out of bed so quickly with such sever burns when in real life he would probably have been put in a medically induced coma because the pain from burns so sever would be absolute torture?
I could go on. My point is that in most science fiction and fantasy movies, there is a degree of suspension of disbelief. To nitpick a movie because of a plot hole that is really not that important in the grande scheme of things is stupid. Because you can look at almost every movie and find holes like that. -
Because Alien Resurrection was my favorite film out of the series.
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For the review. I liked the fact you hated it, and told us explicitly why you hated it. It was entertaining.
As for the film, I'm not shocked that it was horrible. Or beyond horrible. Or even worse than that.
See, all PG-13 films descended from R-rated franchises are some of the most defocatingly worst films in history. They really are. "AVP" and "AVPII"? They make me hate what's gone before, thus I have to spend time separating the old from the new, gradually forgetting that the new films actually exist.
For me, the Terminator franchise ended with "T2." I won't even talk about "T3," let alone this new Terminator abortion.
What really amazes me is how great this new film could've been, and how easy it would've been (with obvious hard work) to make it happen. Bring in top-notch screenwriters, for one thing -- NOT the guys who wrote fucking "T3." They suck, pure and simple. They don't understand drama, or the larger philosophical issues of creating artificial intelligence. They just cross off THIS plot point, this guy needs to say THAT, this ship needs to fly THERE, blah blah blah. Unlike James Cameron's ass-kickingly intense, fucking R-RATED drama, the new stories are brutally uninspired. It's fluff a 13-year-old could've written, since 13-year-olds don't have the sophistication to write about anything subtle or heart-poundingly dramatic. They write happy fiction, not bloody future war drama.
McG produces "Supernatural," which is a fantastic show utilizing great characters. Based on his resume, however, it's obvious that all McG does is produce. The inspired footwork grounding "Supernatural" comes not from him, that's for sure.
Reading months ago that "Terminator: Whatever It's Called" was rated PG-13 killed any interest I had in this film. But then again, I'm an adult, and this stupid story was written for kiddies.
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Ponce Nonce haha
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It was just mindless rehash of the first two movies. I still couldn't get over the future savior of mankind being such a wimp who let Claire Danes and Arnie basically treat him like their bitch the entire movie. The final scene was good, but the rest was just crap. Nothing we hadn't seen in the first two movies with just self parody remakes of scenes from the first two.
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JUST AS SCOTTISH DOESNT MEAN BRITISH,THAT WAS THE ORIGONAL POINT.HARRYS REVIEW SAID BALES ACCENT WAS BRITISH,THAT IS CONFUSING AND HAS NO MEANING,AS BRITIAN ISNT A COUNTRY ITS A UNION OF 3 COUNTRYS,SCOTLAND WALES AND ENGLAND.THE UK INCLUDES NORTHERN IRELAND AND BRITIAN.PROBLEM SOLVED.
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May 21, 2009 9:42:15 AM CDT
I think the important lesson to take away from all of this is...
by malificus
..never, and I mean NEVER have another fucking character in any Terminator franchise EVER utter the words:"Come with me if you want to live." That fucking line is the Joan Rivers of dialogue and anyone who still has the gall to try and fit it in and be taken seriously needs a severe beating, and I mean SEVERE...life changing even.
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JUST ENJOY THE MOVIE,NO NEED TO ANYLISE EVERY SINGLE DETAIL,JUST WATCH IT,ITS ONLY A MOVIE.
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People get it. You made your point. Actually, I made your point for you at the start of the thread, because you were too dumb to explain it. That's why you've got a crush on me now.
Not one person gives a shit. Just you. & there's no such country as "BRITIAN". Nonce. -
I go to donate plasma and make a buck or two and find out that because I was in the Army in Germany during a certain time period I was exposed to shit-ass English mad-cow meat because that's where the Army was getting their meat from and now I'm flagged forever from donating because I may have a dormant case of Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease. No reliable test exists so I suppose I'll just keep an eye out for symptoms. SO, thanks there England for the inexcusably-ignorant practice of feeding blood meal to your livestock, cheers fuckfaces!
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BRITIAN IS NOT A COUNTRY,AND GOING BACK TO MY POINT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITISH ACCENT,YOU KNOW THIS,AS I EDUCATED YOU ON THIS
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You must have eaten a lot of it & shared it scotsman75. Let's see if he'll be so keen to point out the difference between English & British now that you're complaining about "England" which should actually "Britain".
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No, I educated others on this,for you (wish I hadn't), because you couldn't string a sentence together, so nobodty understood you.
You then decided to act like a cunt for 2 days.
I know "BRITIAN" isn't a country. "BRITIAN" doesn't exist.
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Don't try and draw me into your petty-fuck pissing match about the difference between England and Britain because no one outside of there gives a frogs fat ass what the fucking difference is and it isn't especially germain to my story at all. The bottom line is the same for me shitheel so go fuck yourself.
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The Summer movies just keep getting worse - I've already skipped Wolverine but I don't know if I can stay away from a Terminator movie no matter how awful the reviews are. I thought that Star Trek was incredibly overrated and I don't plan on seeing the toy movies (Transformers 2 and G.I. Joe). Looks like it's up to Will Ferrell, Jack Black and Quentin (who has been dissappointing me for years) to save the Summer. The next few Summers are all about Marvel. The depressing thing? All these lousy movies will do well AND HAVE SEQUELS IN FUTURE SUMMERS! Oh, well. At least tonight I'm getting "Dragged to Hell"...
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& you were wrong. So you go fuck yourself. & sell your blood you beggar. Big man behind a screen.I'd cut you in half.
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I agree with you. "Come with me if you want to live," if used with a creative setup, occasionally delivers a badass punch. But that's a big huge "if".
Kyle Reese in "Terminator" said this line to a terrified Sarah Connor, to breathtaking effect. He really meant "If you want to LIVE," since he was her one and ONLY chance to stay alive. It was a moment of terror, of indecision, and ultimately of aid given to a helpless waitress, allowing her to stay alive against all odds. And based on where the story went, the line becomes a haunting and beautiful moment for both characters.
McG and his team don't understand this. They like visuals, they like blowing shit up, they like horribly cheesy lines delivered without adequate setup. This is the level of intelligence they bring to the table.
The use of this one line in "Terminator" versus its use in "Terminator: Salivation" illustrates the difference between a master director and a childish hack. But I'm McG knows this. -
i've had to put up with this other dumb cunt for 2 days now. You chose to jump into it & when you did so, you got England & Britain mixed up, which actually showed that the dumb cunt is right. Have you seen his posts? He's retarted. & you played right into his hands. You chose to enter it. I replied. If you don't wanna be involved, don't get involved, because I've had just about enough of that fucking scottish cunt.
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I'm sure McG knows this.
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CAN U NOT HANDLE ANY MORE,AAAAAAWWWWWWWWW POOR BABY
NO SUCH THING AS A BRITISH ACCENT,IVE TOLD U BEFORE,ENGLAND IS RUN BY A SCOTSMAN,DONT FORGET THAT -
May 21, 2009 10:21:01 AM CDT
Man i Haven't seen Headgeek/Harry this dissapointed in something
by chocolatejesusman
Yoko put a plate of vegetables in front of him. :-)
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May 21, 2009 10:21:01 AM CDT
Man i Haven't seen Headgeek/Harry this dissapointed in something
by chocolatejesusman
Yoko put a plate of vegetables in front of him. :-)
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Don't forget that. Cunt.
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are one fuck of a lot more entertaining than an entire TB dedicated to this bloody awful Terminator cash grab. Please keep going. Funniest people in the world. You've the best slang and the best insults. Carry on, but please, turn it up a notch. Your turn Scotsman75, you drooling, submental nonce. And we're off--
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I never said there was such a thing as a British accent (at least not an all encompassing one). I explained your point to people because you lacked the intellect to do it for yourself.
Then you fell in love with me & now you want me to father your children.
But you don't have a womb.
Which makes you a useless cunt.
Now fuck off & play with traffic, 'cause I'm not gonna reply to you anymore. Let's see how other people deal with ya, shit for brains.
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he´s always sneering, shouting, yelling and looking evil. If not, his under medication. Fact is, he killed the hookers in American Psycho for real!!!
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There was a time when I thought he was great, but I'm getting a bit tired of the miserable poe-faced snarling delivery he seems to put into every role these days. He needs to do a comedy or something. Lighten up a bit.
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Are you kidding me Harry? I completely disagree with almost every word you wrote.
I am a huge Terminator Fan, I loved the non stopable Arnold in the first Terminator. I loved the building tenson of Judgement Day in the Second. The Thrid Movie did suck, really only the movie gets any good at all after John realizes Judgement Day is today. But for this one, I LOVED IT! Every Second of it!
Right from the get go, the opening was incrediably interesting starting at death row, never would have thought of that. Second, watching the resistance work, plan, strategize, fight, and endure was awesome. Christian Bale was great, he wasn't robotic at all, and I loved how Sky-net stacked the deck!
Terminator Salvation was incredible! Join the Resitance, Fight the Machines! -
Now THAT sounds like the movie I've been waiting for!
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1,300 made by a kid who breathes through a dorsel fin.
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THATS ABOUT 15 TIMES U SAID YOUR NOT GONNA REPLY TO ME,MAKE YOUR FUKIN MIND UP,SCOTLAND RUNS ENGLAND,FUCK THE QUEEN,SCOTLAND FOREVER
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It's a reference to something intellectually challenged nonces won't pick up on.
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Scotland doesn't even run Scotland.
You however, run children towards your wing man. Nonce.
I'm not replying anymore. That's a fact. Not much point thinking up witty replies to someone who doesn't understand them.
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WHY DO U KEEP REPLYING,IS IT BECAUSE U WISH U WERE SCOTTISH LIKE ME?
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What a nonce!
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You're out shilling fake super-positivity for your studio today, eh? That must be fun and I'm sure you enjoy it. You know, spewing "I'm just a normal geek like everyone else here" lies to cover your tracks.
Fact is, your see-through fakeness is almost believable. I'll give you that. Dissing "T3" so fanboyishly almost gives an non-studio-insider feel to your words. You're very good at seeming genuine.
Except you're not. Thus I'm calling you out. You're a studio shill and a damage controller who's been called in to generate whatever microscopic praise for "Terminator: PG-13" can be realized.
Things are that bad at the studio, huh? I wouldn't worry, Suit1649. Your movie will do just fine at the box office. It'll make lots of money, with or without your propaganda.
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You want me to trash your website, do ya!
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I dug it! It was like Mad Max, but with robots.
Also, it got back to the mood of the first movie, with the idea of unrelenting robots that just won't leave you alone. I think Harry is worried about Terminator taking a big bite out of Star Trek -
Interesting review. Ill still see it for myself. I learned a long time ago to not listen to critics, not because I think your BS or anything, but because you are one person and im another, I may like what you dont. Like the Twilight film, I thought that got worse and worse the more you knew about the Vampires. It was a shame, they were quite interesting at first then the movie got lame. But I also find that im pretty good at watching a movie for what it is and not what I think it should be.
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Jesus christ what a fucking shitfest.
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I was initially baffled by the 4 stars, now I understand. When did that chimp get on the Empire staff?!
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May 21, 2009 11:41:39 AM CDT
Bionic Woman, Buck Rogers, shit even Speed Racer cartoon...
by ufoclub1977
Who remembers the monster car 2 part episode of Speed Racer? The train like car that reveals itself to be more than it is. With multiple abilities/powers?
Who remembers the fembots of John Houseman in the 2 part episode of Bionic Woman? You know, the superstrong people in pursuit that are revealed to be androids when their faces fall off in a fight?
Do you remember the Buck Rogers episode with Jamie Lee Curtis, where there is a prison guard in pursuit of the heroes who is more and more revealed to be a relentless robot that overcomes every setback or fight presented in his stalker like quest? Kind of like the boogyman in Halloween, hence Curtis being cast.
Well... I never was that excited or inspired by the Terminator movies beingin the wake of what came before... they just seemed like a rehashed b-concept, but were fun! I also liked how Terminator 3 made fun of expectations, and still delivered a moody, epic, downer ending. And that vehicle chase through the neighborhood blew away Matrix2 in terms of exciting action. -
Scotland doesn't run shit. Scotland broke everything and you're now looking to England to clean it up. Again.
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You're a studio damage controller too, aren't you? It's very obvious, though you've masked it admirably.
You wrote, "[Terminator: Salvation] got back to the mood of the first movie, with the idea of unrelenting robots that just won't leave you alone." Really? Is that what you REALLY think? Oh, how genuine of you.
The problem is: you're a damage controller from the studio, so everything you write is super-optimistically fake. This is obvious from your lack of insight and unduly positive words that no one on this site ever uses.
I'll let in on a little something, though: as horrible as the movie is, your studio will still make tons of money. Tons, I tell you. You don't need to inject fake sentiment into these talkbacks to achieve this. Please let it go. -
Some things you just WANT to try harder, to put forth a little intellectual and creative effort. I love Cameron;s Terminator films. They had a major impact on me as a science fiction and film fan. I'd honestly prefer that the Cameronless T3 didn't exist, but it wasn't rock bottom bad. I keep hearing from friends that this is the kind of movie that you "turn your brain off and just kick back and enjoy the effects." Really? Cause that sure as hell isn't where this started, and I really don't want to see it go there. This didn't even become a Summer event thing until "T2," and even then Cameron gave us things to think about in addition to nifty effects. I suppose I have to see it anyway as a card carrying Forrest J. Ackerman sci-fi fan, but I dread the depression I'm going to sink into when I again see where effects films have sunk to.
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An English gentleman, sitting across the aisle said, "You know, sir, you Americans do seem to have a penchant for doing the wrong thing. You eat holding the fork in the wrong hand. You drive your autos on the wrong side of the road. And now, sir, you've thrown the wrong cunt out of the window!"
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I really wanted to like TERMINATOR SALVATION. I had really come around on the idea of a 4th Terminator movie being made, which is no small feat considering just how jipped I felt after watching TERMINATOR 3. The Kidd didn’t see the point in doing anything else, because RISE OF THE MACHINES just put a big nail in the coffin of all things Terminator at that point. However, McG persevered and fought to bring the Terminator fans back. He wanted to move things further into the future, to have John Connor fighting the machines, to show where things stood after Judgment Day.
Once I had heard he was trying his hardest to get Arnold Schwarzenegger somewhere, anywhere in this movie, I thought, “Hmmm... maybe he’s trying to do this the right way.” Then word came out that Linda Hamilton would be contributing her voice, giving Sarah Connor some type of role in the movie, and I started to get convinced. The Nine Inch Nails trailer attached to WATCHMEN was the one that really hooked me. It had me believing that the dark feelings of hopelessness and desperation that human beings must be feeling in trying to defeat Skynet had been captured, that this was a story worth telling, and that this would be a worthwhile addition to the overall Terminator universe. And I couldn’t have been wronger. I had gone from zero expectations to slight expectations to pretty high hopes that this could be pulled off well enough to make us forget TERMINATOR 3 even happened. Instead, TERMINATOR SALVATION not only doesn’t make us forget about the joke that was T3, it becomes its partner in the grouping of two movies not even close to being as good as the first two Terminator flicks.
I should have taken the events of screening day as an omen of things to come. It started out with THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES getting the axe from Fox. A Terminator television prgram not drawing viewers because it was boring and lacked quality action...? That can never be a good sign when the very characters the failed show followed factor heavily in the direction of the new movie. Then, it began as I got settled into my seat before the movie even started, as two unfunny jackasses from a local radio station’s unfunny morning show got in front of the audience to toss out some T-shirts and hats. typically that’s not a big deal, but, when it turns into a mock of the Christian Bale blow-up, which took place on the very set of TERMINATOR SALVATION, that can’t be a good sign either. I hadn’t even thought of his verbal tirade in weeks, but thanks to these idiots, it was fresh in my mind, and, throughout the film, actually caused me to try to pick out the very scene where it might have happened. I thought I had nailed it down a few times, but, as I’ll get to soon enough, there were way too many deeply emotional scenes for Christian Bale for me to really narrow it down.
The movie starts with a man named Marcus Wright, played by Sam Worthington, on Death Row, awaiting his execution for crimes that we are never really given details about. We know that his brother and a couple of other people are dead, because of him, but did he kill them himself? Was he an accomplice? Was it an accident? It might have been nice to know things like this, in order to help us determine if marcus Wright is someone we should feel sympathetic towards, but damn all that character development; it just gets in the way. While in prison, he is visited by Dr. Serena Kogan, who is trying to convince Marcus to give himself a second chance. He believes he is giving up his body to Kogan for research that might help Kogan who has terminal cancer. However, upon signing over his body, we learn that it will fall into the possession of Cyberdyne and Skynet. And away we go, with the Marcus Wright story picking up in 2018.
Wait... you were hoping this was a tale about John Connor? Well, then you are sadly mistaken, because the focus of this movie is not about the leader of the Resistance and his quest to help humanity fight for its survival against the machines. It is more about this character that we have never been introduced to before and know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact that he is some type of machine himself. Do you really care whether he is part-man, part-Terminator? I certainly didn’t. I was hoping for something new about John Connor - who is he now, what has he learned, how did he get to be such a big deal. Well, wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first, because we learn nothing about John Connor that we didn’t already know, and we are left with a big steaming pile of poop... and there’s nothing satisfying or entertaining about that.
Basically we are left with a movie about preventing certain things from happening, so that time travel can take place, and the previous three Terminators aren’t wasted by never happening. Kyle Reese is captured by Skynet who plans to kill him. Why they don’t do it immediately after they identify him as being Kyle Reese is beyond me. I guess you’ll have to ask that of the dumbasses who actually put this script together. It’d make perfect sense to me. Skynet wants to eliminate John Connor, so, instead of actually killing John Connor, they kill John Connor’s dad before John Connor is ever actually conceived, so he can never exist and there can be no resistance to Skynet, and they do it as soon as they find him. That sounds like one helluva plan, and it actually might create a bit of tension and drama in your movie, much more than would exist if you just put Kyle Reese in a cell and take your sweet-ass time. Anyway, where was I...? Oh, yeah... Kyle Reese gets captured, and John Connor has to save him with Marcus Wright’s help, because, if he gets killed, then they can’t send Kyle Reese back in time to protect Sarah Connor, dance at the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance, and... fuck... now I’m really starting to get confused.
The cast is wasted, like a frat guy on dollar beer night. Christian Bale is... well, he’s Batman, but playing the role of John Connor. I don’t know what happened to this guy after playing The Caped crusader, but it’s as if he enrolled in a summer class at the Al Pacino School of Acting. Everything this guy does now is either talking very softly or yelling and growling as loud as he possibly can to the point where you wish the movie featured closed-captioning so you could figure out what the fuck he just said. I get it. Robots tried to kill your dad and your mom and you and your dog and everyone that has ever known you, but do you really have to take it all out on the radio dispatcher just trying to see if anyone’s still alive? Is there really a need to bark disagreement at your commanding officer who is somewhere on a submarine? Those radios never pick up the best reception, so I’d imagine it’s just a bit more difficult with you fuckin’ screaming at the top of your lungs into it. But once again, there really isn’t much to do here for Christian Bale, as it almost felt that the only reason John Connor was even included in the story was because he had to be.
It’s hard to even get started on Bryce Dallas Howard as John’s wife Kate, in the role Claire Danes wisely turned down. She is barely even in the movie long enough to notice her lack of participation. But I observed pretty closely. It’s pretty hard not to wonder where she’s been when she pops up every now and again at crucial moments.
Anton Yelchin is okay as the teenage Kyle Reese. There’s nothing special about what he brings to the character. He’s basically some kid trying to live as best as he can without getting killed by Terminators, with no knowledge whatsoever about how important he is to the future, or the past, or whenever the fuck he is supposed to be important to. The most frustrating part about him is the decision to attach some kid to him as his tag along. I don’t know why all of these movies lately feel the need to bring some small child into the mix, with their only purpose to be in the right place at the right time, to get their hands on some crucial plot device that the adults forgot was important to their survival, like a detonator.
Moon Bloodgood is hot, as female pilot Blair Williams. However, considering the state of the world these characters live in, she is also a complete and total idiot. After crashing her plane, she journeys with Marcus Wright on their way back to her base. Now, throw in the obligatory scene where the guy goes off to find fire or food or the bathroom, and some unsavory individuals stumble upon a helpless and attractive woman all alone in the middle of nowhere. You know what they want. You know they are coming to get it, and you know that Marcus Wright will show up in the nick of time to fight them all off and save her. This leads to her believing that he is a good man, and feeling the need to display that confidence in his true nature regardless of its consequences, even if it means putting John Connor’s life in danger, simply because she’s got a gut feeling that he can be trusted, and because they snuggled one cold night out in the wasteland.
The action sequences are good. I will give credit to the new machines used by Skynet to carry out their destruction of the human race. They’ve now got planes and motorcycles and Transformers and that final cyborg from ROBOCOP 2. You’ve probably already seen a good healthy portion of the car chase from the commercials and trailers. However, there is plenty of good man-on-robot combat going on, as well as one helluva point-of-view sequence inside of a helicopter crash. However, we knew the action would be delivered in a Terminator movie, and we aren’t left disappointed in that.
The footage with Arnold or computer Arnold or CGI Arnold and his T-800 is nothing short of amazing. It looks flawlessly like the Governator took time away from the office, stripped down, and returned to his roots at the machine that needs your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle. The audience I saw it with went absolutely crazy to see him make his appearance, and it was well worth it. In fact, his sequence might just be the best part of the entire movie. Unfortunately, it is all too short. It doesn’t take too long before Arnold’s face is shot off, and just like that, the only thing that really made this feel like a Terminator movie is gone.
There are a couple of nice nods to the previous Terminator movies, be it Kyle Reese uttering the line “Come with me if you want to live” to Marcus Wright as they are being shot at by a Terminator or the use of Guns N’ Roses’ “You Could Be Mine,” which was featured in TERMINATOR 2. They all seemed to work themselves in effortlessly, until it came time for John Connor to drop Arnold’s most notable catchphrase in a moment that brought about scattered laughter from the crowd, in what I doubt was meant to be a comedic moment, because if it was, it fell flat, just like the rest of the movie.
Even the ending had me worried that not only had I been disappointed for nearly two hours, but that I would walk out of the theatre furious and pissed-off at where they were going to take this thing in the future. I remembered the rumors of an ending where John Connor died but his image survived by having his skin grafted onto Marcus’ cybernetic body. Those rumors were squashed as being a possible ending to an early draft of the script, but, as we got close to this one wrapping up, it looked like it might have been going that way. Luckily they didn’t go that far, but don’t think they didn’t slam on the brakes just short of that unwise decision.
I wish that was all, but, if I kept writing about all the things wrong with this movie, I’d still be coming up with holes and problems by the time Arnold finally leaves office. The movie doesn’t look bad at all, but it is hard to make something out of nothing, and this script was not a good story at all. It chooses to focus on all the wrong characters while reducing those we are familiar with and want to know more about to supporting roles. I am sure that had this movie been TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE FUTURE OF JOHN CONNOR, we would have seen something much greater than what amounts to TERMINATOR SALVATION: THE INTRODUCTION OF MARCUS WRIGHT. This one feels like a Terminator movie made for the sake of making a Terminator movie with the Terminator name but really none of the Terminator aspects. Just because you have Terminator machines involved doesn’t make it a worthwhile venture, for it has always been the humans in these stories that have been them interesting. And when you lose your interest in them, you lose your interest in the franchise.
A friend of mine asked me if I thought TERMINATOR SALVATION was Wolverine-bad, as has now become the standard for this summer’s season of movies. And, after thinking about it for awhile and how much I didn’t like about this movie, I would have to say yes, that it is. After all, we all knew Wolverine was going to suck, and it certainly didn’t disappoint. However, there were hopes for TERMINATOR SALVATION, and it let down just about each and every one of them, and that is much worse and far less forgivable. We can only hope in the very near future that they change the name of this movie to something a bit more fitting, like TERMINATOR 4: THE END OF TERMINATOR MOVIES.
In the end, you are better off taking the money you would have spent in going to see this movie and renting the first two Terminators. You’ll get much more enjoyment out of it and won’t feel like you wasted your money hoping for a Terminator movie that never really happened. I would almost suggest watching TERMINATOR 3 instead, too, but let’s not do anything drastic.
Have a pleasant immediate future.
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May 21, 2009 12:59:28 PM CDT
When will we see the end of hyer-excited manchild directors?
by the reluctant austinite
McG, Stephen Sommers and their ilk are always described by everyone in relation to how much "energy" they have. "That guy has boundless energy!" It's as if Hollywood wants to hire directors that act and think like the 12 year olds they're making these sci-fi films for. No one ever thought of James Cameron or someone like Ridley Scott as "a big kid." As a result, these are guys who love the toys and whiz-bang action and the hyperactive editing more than they love the ideas, charcters and story. They have come along to cut out "the boring parts." But as long as audiences will pay for $70-$100 million opening weekends, these guys will keep making movies that way. Sometimes I wonder if McG or Sommers just can't wait to get back to their trailer or hotel room to take a nap and not have to be "on" anymore. Hollywood might pass them over if they don't seem "energetic" enough.
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Hey, I agree WITH you! Just sayin'...
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Just asking because lately I'm suspect of his reviews. They're just off... and I realized that if he liked Twight, then he must have liked Titanic... if that's true we're done... professionally. You know. I just can't go there any more. He's become an untrustworthy critic like that condensending prick in the San Jose Mercury news who hates everything but emo family drama bullshit that you couldn't pay me to see. I get enough of that goddamn crap at home. Why do I want to suffer through it in the theatre as well? Okay, a lot of you know I'm female, so you think I'd like the chick flick crap Hollywood serves up time after time. In fact, I'm insulted by most chick-stuff but the studios think that all human life forms with vaginas are going to fall all over dumbass pandering crap like "Sex and the City" and that piece of self-indulgent fan fiction bullshit called "Twilight". And for the record, I walked out of Titanic. It was so ridiculously over-the-top dramatic tripe. I was embarrassed for my fellow females. After that, for years, I couldn't watch anything with Leonard DiCaprio in it. I finally saw The Departed and that helped clense my mind of Titanic.
I'm going to Terminator Salvation to finally see shit blow up and badass robots kick some ass. For two decades (give or take) I've been waiting for this and I'm not going to let some guy who liked Twilight tell me that robots kicking ass is less of a movie. Fuck that shit. -
i saw this. its better than wolverine, but not as good as prison rape. but still, if ever have to read harry talking about blowing another man but not doing so because of shit on the man's respected prick, i swear to christ i'll drive to austin and murder busloads of children along the way. just to get there and vomit on harry's face before getting arrested and going to prison where i will be raped repeatedly. prison rape - you see kids, everything goes full circle.
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I loved Terminator Salvation! You are the Resistance, Fight the Machines!
Some people think I'm a fake geek boy, and think I work for hollywood....wow.
Well first off my name is TK1649, because I'm in the 501st Stormtrooper Legion!....you know from STAR WARS!
Here is my proof, go to my myspace page www.myspace.com/tk1649
Look at my pics and you'll see me in armor, or watch my silly video.
I loved Terminator Salvation, I mean come on......We all know that NO NEW TERMINATOR SEQUAL will ever be as good as Terminator 2, but PLEASE, COME ON!!!! I never expected to see an enjoyable Terminator Sequal ever again, and the fact that this movie was enjoyable, completely blew me away. I loved this movie, and am super happy with it. Is it perfect no, but neither was Terminator 2. Was there possible plot holes in Terminator Salvation....yeah, but there was some in Terminator 2...I mean Sarah Conor never even asked Arnold about the Time Machine being blown up after Kyle went through....I mean was there two time machines? You'd think that would be a question that would come to Sarah's mind.....but come on, giving me a break, take your expectation and put them in the trash and enjoy what you have....Terminator Salvation is a Fun, Interesting, and WAY BETTER THEN TERMINATOR 3!
I loved this movie! You are the Resistance, Fight the Machines!
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Now THERE'S a great tag line for a film: "Not as good as prison rape".
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I'm a Yank, and you are and will forever be a WANK!!!! I typed WANK with a british accent JUST FOR YOU!Now be a good little lad and BUGGER OFF (BRITISH ACCENT AGAIN)!!!
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May 21, 2009 1:24:55 PM CDT
Never Trust Someone who's directed Charlie's Angels to have any
by metallicaboob
When it was first said he was directing it and you checked his filmography I mean it seemed pretty predictable to anyone who has a conscious mind and love for film that it was gonna be a piece of shit. It just re insures us that the studios really dont give a shit and either does cameron in protecting any-kind of quality these films ( T3 this one and future ones) may have as a whole for fans 50 years from now. Just as long as Cameron gets a check.MCG should spend maybe some time watching old fellini and kurosawa films and then spend another 10 years making some more music videos and then try writing something himself if he wants to have the respect his name thinks it deserves. Same with Brett Ratner. Maybe if MCG and him had a kid it might have a terd of talent. But it would probably just be cross eyed and slightly taller but still to afraid to approach christian bale with the idea of what collaboration means. I bet he tried but he just told him to fuck off. ANd last but not least christian bales lisp is more and more present in everything he does. IF thats gonna keep happening he should just stick to nods and steve mcqueen mannerisms though he doesn't have one when he screams FUCK.haha
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Harry you suck ass. i must admit i havent watched the new terminator yet but what the fuck did you expect it was directed by mr. charlie's angels for christ sake. harry i say you suck because you liked transformers. that was the worst piece of shit i have ever seen in my life. your review for t4 cant compare to the review i would have given transformers. i havent been coming to this site ever since you guys got paid to do good reviews of transformers. but just for kicks i'm gonna go see t4 because you said it was bad. harry i dont trust your judgement anymore since transformers fuck you. t4 cant be as bad.
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Not great. I mean, it's like two and a half stars out of four. Certainly not bad, just not the first two. I'm not interested in seeing this, because I feel like it's more begging-for-money than a movie. "Hey guys, remember Terminator! Wow! Then check THIS out!"
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guys i just realised something t4 is competition for transformers 2 and harry got paid by michael bay the last time around. i see your game harry and friends i aint no fool, i went to school.
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did you not see Sweeney Todd? She literally killed the character. I used to like Sweeney Todd but Burton and Carter have made me despise it.
And of course this movie was bad. I don't understand how you could have expected it to be anything but abysmal. The trailers are awful Bale is one note (as always), and every bit of promotional material on this movie looks like shit. Of course it sucks. Duh. -
"When it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there".But Harry, IT WAS YOUR SHIT!!!
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It’s not often that a studio can put out a movie and two sequels and not have at least one be a worthless rip-off.
Spider-Man 3? Worthless rip-off. Alien3? Worthless rip-off. X-Men 3: The Last Stand? Worth renting for the scene where they destroy the Golden Gate Bridge, but otherwise …
In that way, the Terminator series — which continues this week with Terminator Salvation — is an anomaly. It’s close to being the action movie version of The Godfather saga: The first Terminator was a masterpiece, the second was bigger and better and the third didn’t measure up, but is still a better film than most people give it credit for.
In that way, the Terminator series — which continues this week with Terminator Salvation — is an anomaly. It’s close to being the action movie version of The Godfather saga: The first Terminator was a masterpiece, the second was bigger and better and the third didn’t measure up, but is still a better film than most people give it credit for.
With that optimistic outlook, we watched the movies again, and started handing out The Arnolds — awards for the best and worst of the minutiae from the films. Congratulations to all the winners. Unfortunately, most of them aren’t around to pick up their awards …
BestTerminator line
“Your clothes. Give them to me.” (The Terminator)
Arnold Schwarzenegger got a lot more mileage out of “I’ll be back” and “Hasta la vista, baby.” But the coolest line came during the Terminator’s first few minutes after being transported to the past, when the naked cybernetic organism approaches three punks and demands the clothes off their backs. The look on lead punk Bill Paxton’s face is priceless, and it set up the Terminator as a no-nonsense badass for the rest of the series.
Honorable mention: “Come with me if you want to live!” (Terminator 2)
Most undeserving Terminator death
John Connor’s foster mom (Terminator 2: Judgment Day)
Janelle Voight is a freaking saint. Already dealing with a beer-swilling, half-wit husband, she agrees to take a 10-year-old motorbike-riding, ATM-thieving juvenile delinquent off the state’s hands. And how is she rewarded? A liquid metal Terminator from the future comes into her home, kills her and then turns its arm into a giant stalagmite and impales her husband’s head.
Honorable mention Sarah Ann Connor; Sarah Louise Connor (The Terminator — killed because their names came before the other Sarah Connor in the phone book.)
Best Terminator escape vehicle
The hearse (Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines)
It seems as if the inhabitants of the Terminator world are always driving away from something. Easily the most outstanding escape vehicle was the shabby black “Valley of Peace” hearse that the Terminator T-101 (Schwarzenegger), John Connor (Nick Stahl) and Kate Brewster (Claire Danes) use to escape the new Terminator T-X (Kristanna Loken). The late-model American-made hearse endures a couple hundred rounds of automatic weapons fire, a circular saw attack from the T-X, several off-road excursions and a high-speed collision with a semi truck — and the hearse still reaches its destination.
Honorable mention The SPCA pickup truck (Terminator 3)
Most awesome Terminator special effect
The T-1000 gets hit with a grenade (Terminator 2)
There are so many great sequences to choose from — the first two Terminator movies featured huge innovations in makeup and digital effects. We’ll take the scene where the T-1000 (Robert Patrick) gets hit by a grenade, explodes into what looks like a ripped-apart aluminum can, then morphs back into an unstoppable man/machine. The rewind button was made for times like this.
Honorable mention Terminator gives himself eye surgery (The Terminator)
Most worthless Terminator protagonist
Kate Brewster (Terminator 3)
Terminator 3 didn’t miss James Cameron as much as everyone thought. The script was surprisingly effective, and Jonathan Mostow capably shot the action scenes. Arguably the biggest problem was the casting, including Danes as Kate Brewster, the future wife of John Connor. Danes mostly just panicked and moped a lot. And the actress looks like she might have a hard time lifting a half-full can of Pringles, much less an automatic weapon. This is a future leader of the resistance?
Honorable mention John Connor (Terminator 3)
Most completely random Terminator cameo
Danny Cooksey (Terminator 2)
We have no idea how this red-headed kid went from being cast as Sam on the death throe final seasons of Diff’rent Strokes to getting a speaking part in the highest-grossing film of 1991, playing John Connor’s juvenile delinquent friend. That’s like going from batting seventh on your beer league softball team to roaming center field for the New York Yankees. (And unlike any Yankee, Cooksey got to wear an awesome mullet!) The kid nailed the role. Bring him back for Terminator 4.
Honorable mention Bill Paxton (Terminator 2)
Hottest Terminator moment
Linda Hamilton does a chin-up (Terminator 2)
The consummation of Sarah Conner and Kyle Reese’s love may have been the romantic peak of the series — and sex is always best after making homemade explosives out of moth balls and laundry detergent. But this love fest was trashy in a bad way, taking place in a really sleazy motel when both characters hadn’t showered. The scene we freeze-frame the most is Sarah Conner’s insane asylum pull-ups-on-the-bed-frame sequence. If you grew up in the 1990s, it didn’t get much hotter than Linda Hamilton’s well-defined triceps.
Honorable mention Ginger and Matt’s phone sex (The Terminator); Schwarzenegger’s first naked trip through the teleportation plasma ball from the future (The Terminator).
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You sir, are a fucking idiot.
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I read in another review SPOILER SPOILER: 'In "Terminator Salvation," those machines don't yet look very Schwarzenegger-like; in this movie's vision, Terminators are gangly, unstoppable gunmetal-colored behemoths, with all-seeing red eyes." END SPOILER How can we forget the legendary Franco Colombu as the Terminator in the first film's future war sequence? If they were going to set a movie during this period, THOSE are the Terminators I want to see. Stone-faced, dead-eyed, muscle bound hulks with bad haircuts stepping on skulls and firing their cool-ass plasma rifles. Make 'em talk, too, and give 'em all Austrian accents! How could the screenwriters miss this opportunity? Imagine an army of these bodybuilder-shaped Terminators! "Surrender humans or you will be terminated." What a wasted opportunity! Throw in some kick-ass hunter/killer ships and there's your future war -- the Resistance vs. the Terminators. It would have been a blast.
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wins the "how many times can you say Transformers in a post" prize. Yeah this review is pretty awful. I havent seen it yet either but from reading reviews from critics that i actually trust to give a non biased verdict of a movie, i really doubt its as bad as this juvenile tool makes out
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or Harry REALLY wouldn't have liked it!
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This movie will be good, despite what the big fat one says.
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May 21, 2009 2:48:22 PM CDT
It's the wrong story, not the Terminator story anyone wanted
by moviegimp
I saw a good movie, not great but nothing horrible. The action was in your face and loud. Most of the machines were spot on. The big one was maybe to much but other than that it was fine. There is nothing wrong with the movie they made it's just that they made the wrong movie.
It's the wrong story. We expected this to be John Conner's story and instead it is Marcus's story. Who is Marcus? He's a character that is brought in for this film and then will have no more involvement in the mythos that is Terminator. He is the Qui-Jon of Terminator. A throw away character that makes up the bulk of a story that no one was asking for. TS is so SW EP 1 that it's not even funny. You have the three guys, Qui-Jon, Obiwan and Anakin. They spend a lot of time doing things that don't matter outside this story and have no bearing on future stories or the ones that have already come and gone. There is a whole story here to explain how Conner got a scar. That's it, that is the only bearing on past Terminator movies that this story has anything to do with. Everything else could have been told in the credits of the next film which once again should be the first film. Are they now going to make a second film and spend all their time in that one doing more things that mean nothing to the overall story? There only needed to be one film made. The story we were all looking for is the one that ends with Reese going back in time. That could have been told in one movie. There is not a enough story for a trilogy as this film clearing demonstrated. Just like Star Wars all the elements for the story were there, every geek on the planet knows what the story should be and then the film makers come along and make a story that no one wanted or asked for and makes no sense when compared with what came before it.
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May 21, 2009 2:50:23 PM CDT
I have one goal in my life right now. Drown Aquaman, er I mean T
by karmann
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You are talking about the third movie in this trilogy, if they make three. This one is set only in the near future, they haven't got to that point yet.
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How can anyone take your reviews seriously anymore? To illustrate my point I want to take you back in time and refresh your memory on the review you posted for The Phantom Menace. Here are selected highlights: (about Jar-Jar) "Mesa Luved Him!", (on Jake Lloyd) "By the way, I really dug Anakin too" and finally "I’m dying to see this one.... again. It’s Star Wars. And I love it...". Did we see the same movie?
Your review of The Phantom Menace indicates that you have highly enjoyed it, yet I can not see how it could have possibly met even your lowest expectations. Now the part that blows me away is that it appears as though you crucified Terminator: Salvation for doing exactly what The Phantom Menace did – yet you gave it not only a pass, you couldn’t wait to see it again?!? WTF?
Now I have nothing to gain by writing this (I’m not a studio plant or a McG apologist), and I won't be seeing Terminator: Salvation in the theaters; the point is that I am trying make is I want to understand where your head is at when you write a review. There is an undeniable logic, thoughtfulness, and consistency that goes into each review that Roger Ebert posts for his readership and it is those same qualities which make Roger the best at what he does. Although one may not always agree with him, you always know where he is coming from and why. Conversely the only thing consistent about your reviews is that they have the appearance of being written by a bipolar 13 year old with AD/HD... Entertaining perhaps, informative and reliable, not so much. What gives??
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...Hun!" Richard Simmons said as he looked down and outstretched his hand towards the wheelchair bound Harry. Seriously man, you're the last person on earth who should be drinking a slurpee. Those things are 94% sugar, 4% water and 2% dye. Change your wicked ways before your heart explodes at 41.
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Fuck's sake. Devin, "Watchmen is as good as the Godfather movies" fucking Faraci.
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I knew when this movie was announced, that the day it came out there'd be an endless slew of nit-picking and bitching flying out of the ass of the collective hateful and eternally angry fanboy crowd. So fucking what Harry the opening credits weren't as you thought they'd be... OH NOEZ!! ITS THE END OF THE TERMINATOR FRANCHISE!! To me, this movie was a hell of a ride... it did its job. The story centered more on Marcus... a performance I thought was very well given. Compared to T3, this was a masterpiece. If you sit back, relax, and stop analyzing every damn split second with the mentality of "OMFG the black girl is trying to be Newt!!! OMFG Road Warrior pwns this!!!" then maybe you can enjoy yourself at the theater for once. I mean, to say this movie was ONLY about how Connor got his scar is just, beyond comprehension. I for one am tired of these ridiculous rants every time I read a review here. The same idiocy and blind hatred of all things that turn out unexpectedly that ruined once great sources like Rotten Tomatoes has seem to set it's destructive sights on Aint It Cool. I can almost see the future:
"Avengers Review: OMFG!! Captain America wasn't the right shade of blue!!! The movie wasn't exactly like Iron Man and The Dark Knight!!! I pictured it differently, I HATE MARVEL FOREVER NOW!!" - Harry Knowles -
May 21, 2009 3:15:06 PM CDT
Well..what did you expect from one of Harry's reviews
by chocolatejesusman
The man practically sold his soul to Hollywood and the studio suits for a lifetime supply of Mcdonald's Cheeseburgers and a hefty bag full of fries..
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this movie is fucking horrible.
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That's funny. You made me smile. Gold Star for you.
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Hey, I don't wanna sound like a queer or nothin', but I think unicorns are kick ass!
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But looking at the movies he gives moderate to feint praise to and parts that he liked and disliked. )Spiderman 3, Van Hacksing, Episode 1 etc.) He strikes me as a dude that can forgive a lot in a film as long as it entertains him.I can relate, I can appreciate almost anything in a film, even if it is for the construction of a scene, a good piece of dialogue, the delivery of lines, a cool moment, or a technical appreciation for a "how the fuck did they do that" moment.I can't say that I share Harry's immense hatred for the movie but I understand it, I was never as close to the source as Harry is, but I always thought T2 was as overrated as T1 was underrated. I can remember being SHIT SCARED of the original Terminator, the idea was horrifying. It was essentially a Horror film with a little SciFi thrown in, T2 was the other way round, T3 seemed to be an action comedy with a pretty ballsy ending (you gotta admit, it took balls), but T4 sets the bar pretty low by trying to be JCVD's "CYBORG", and still doesn't quite make it.I agree with his assessment of Anton's Reese though, when I saw this kid had been cast as Kyle I thought "what in the fuckin fuck?!?!" but I was very pleasantly surprised, and the Harvester scene is decent, its worth seeing for those two things, but its not worth seeing in a Theater (and for the purists that say "Oh you have to see it on the big screen to get the effect" I say you either know fuck all about modern home theatre technology or you've either got the wrong components, or good components that are calibrated poorly, because Home Theater is as good as it gets these days.. but I digress). Wait 4 months and see it at home folks, or wait 6 months and get the disc cheap in the bargain bins at Best Buys everywhere.
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Was when Scotsman actually started commenting on the movie. This TB is fucking hilarious.
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Gonna see it (for free) this weekend. I think I'm about done paying for intellectually devoid movies. What am I gonna do with all the free time I'm about to have?
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I said this earlier. Bale was like Keanu Reeves older brother as Batman. Droll, monotone, no character. Face it, he brought no life to that role. he was good in the machinist but Bale plays Bale no matter what role he's in. Lame.
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I can't believe I'm doing it, but I'm completely agreeing with Harry about Terminator Salvation. If I weren't surrounded by people on either side of me and in the company of my best friend, I would have left after the first scene. Yes, it's that bad.
There's basically nothing enjoyable about this film. Bale gives yet another flat (is this guy a robot?) performance. The sets seem...setty. The action seems uninspired. The dialogue is hokey ("you only have one mission. Stay alive. In here (head) and here (heart)." The movie seemed to drag on without any real purpose or sense of dread. With no interesting or sympathetic characters to root the film, it's one action sequence after another.
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Ha ha ha ha. Rhetorical question. Come on Harry, what do you think about the current economic crisis, because I'm sure the business world is eager for your insight and accumen.
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Agreed. btw your post outlining Batman Begins was a gem. It's ironic Bale looks like a male model yet his Batman/Bruce was too cold and detached, i felt he was going to snap and pick up an axe and hack someone down while hip to be square plays. Keaton on the other hand not really physically like a superhero still appeared more relatable and down to earth as Bruce and was coolness as Batman.
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Another day, another bunch of venom spewed at Harry by people who claim to despise him but still read his reviews. Despite any negativity for this film, I'm seeing it Saturday and I am absolutely shitting bricks. Harry is entitled to his opinion and I could care less if he has ulterior motives and outside influences swaying his review one way or the other. I'll enjoy the movie based on whether I like it or not. Harry's word isn't law, it's just an opinion. Some people need to fuckin' relax.
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to me. Not that he ever had that much, since he has in the past few years become a caricature. Living it seems to only shit on movies his "friends" have nothing to do with.
As a summer film, there's nothing at all wrong with SALVATION. Sure, it has bumpy areas, and some things are not "spectacle", but shit, it's still entertaining. I've seen the film twice. Once when the Arnie FX and some others were incomplete, and now again in a theater at 12:45 on a Thurs that was PACKED.
WOLVERINE and this are entertaining, as is STAR TREK, but fuck Harry, you need to take a fucking CHILL PILL and stop acting like a spoiled child who doesn't get what they want. I don't know what's worse, reading Harry's reviews, his tweets, or having to see him now since he's gotten his surgery try and wear his shirts unbuttoned down to his first roll and have sleeveless tees to show off his retarded tattoo and his very, very ginger arms.
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Agreed. Your assessment of the two Bruce's is spot on. Besides all of Bales other faults playing Batman (voice..etc) he was not even accessible as a believable Bruce Wayne and the "playboy" angle was terrible. Bruce was somewhat of a genius loner, but with personality.
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In defense of Bale (praise be his name) I will say I don't think his performance was as much the problem as the depiction and the direction that him and Nolan went with the character. I know they were trying to avoid the gruff, Dirty Harry-like Frank Miller version of the character, but their mixture of Denny O'Neil and angst just didn't work for me. As much as it might be a cliche and against the comic book version of Batman as he was depicted in The Long Halloween or Dark Victory, I think in the movies you have to show Batman as a completely obsessed with fighting crime and devoid of any personal life. I mean, look at Daniel Craig in the Casino Royale, his armor and lack of emotion just made him even more interesting.
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In any case no one gives a fucking 2 day old white dog shit about the accents in your country. Do you know how tiny Britain is? do you still form battle lines on your hills dressed in kilts to fight off Prince John or some shit? this isn't old timey 2 mile wide kingdoms anymore. My jizz flying out of my veiny cock could probably span half of your inbred island.
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I can agree with that as well. But I think what we are saying here is, this can be pulled of with a brooding flare and personality that Bale just doesn't have in these roles. I am of the mind that even playing such a character as you've mentioned you can still be accessible and likeable. Bale just wasn't.
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Didn't he also provide his phone number and declare he was ready to throw down with anyone that disagreed with him?
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I think he said could track us all down because he is/was a cop or something.
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Saw it, liked it. Clearly it's a 50/50 critical divide. I've come to the conclusion that 20% of the haters just hate action flicks, and the rest are just pissed off that T4 DARE not provide the kind of sappy tacked on "Short Circuit" crap of T2 and/or that the stupid TSCC show got axed.
This is a great aciton movie. Terminator began as an ACTION franchise, a big loud popcorn blockbuster. Harry is FOS when he says the first was a "love story". I'd laugh if it wasn't such a delusional comment.
For me, TS is exactly what I wanted it to be: the first future war film, showing what we got glimpses of in the "flash forwards" of the first films, minus all the whiney high-school drama class BS.
To me this is Terminator undistilled. It's Terminator for sci-fi action fans, and it thankfully refuses to bow to internet fanboys who devised some unwritten canon in their overanalytical skulls.
This is Terminator. This is what it has always been about. Deal with it.
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Oh snap op!
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I guess we won't know unless they go that direction. Personally, I thought he did a good job as "Playboy Wayne" in Batman Begins. And the girls I saw it with melted for him during that scene, so I guess you could say it worked.
Actually my biggest problem with him as Batman, besides not being a big enough hard-ass, is his build. Yes, he is ripped, but he isn't built like a fighter. Batman should be build like a light heavy-weight in the UFC, like Rich Franklin or Forest Griffin. He doesn't carry a gun and uses only his fist, but I can't see him producing the power to knock people out like he is supposed to be able to. -
AS A CARROTT! HA, I WIN!
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that's not too subtle for you guys.
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...T4 is a good adult action flick with a borderline PG-13 rating to keep get the kids in.
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Absolutely perfect points. Spot on.
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How can you lose credibility when all you've ever done is share your opinions? What the hell is up with you people and your wierd view of movie reviewers as some sort of objective watermarks of quality? They tell you if they liked it, they give you their reasons, they do so in a legible and entertaining way -- that is their job. Nothing more. If Harry is no longer entertaining you that's another discussion, but if you are butthurt that his tastes don't intersect with yours, frankly that is nobody's problem.
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On Nov. 20th, me and Stuntcock Mike our throwing a Coke & Booze Twilight TB. When the first reviews of Twilight Sage: New Moon come in here, we are going to take over that TB and turn it into a den of debauchery and bad puns not seen since the Baleback. You are both invited.
You both now have six months to save enough money to buy a pile of blow and booze so we can all get fucked up enough to do 10,000 post in just 24 damn hours.
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Face it people. The original Terminator films were big budget B movies. I saw T1 with my friends when it originally played in theaters. Although we thought it kicked ass, NO ONE thought it was holy or even latched on to it. We liked Rambo and Predator much more back then. There was no real attachment for us or anyone else we knew of for that matter to these Terminators. They also seemed to be a little more adultish at the time to us high schoolers. They were good, just not a sticking point in our youngster years.
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that I think you're a pretty cool person? I know I probably come across as somewhat juvenile, but I'm really just letting off steam.
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...do you think you can manage to get James Cameron to print his own personally authored review of the new Terminator, one exclusive to AICN? Well, ask him anyway, he might just say yes?
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bryce howard always opens her eyes wide. it is all she does. she's terrible - in everything.
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I'M IN. And I'm bringing the White Vader.
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I don't see him slamming another filmmaker's take on his original work.
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I'll supply lots of E and fist cunts till they bleed. Does that suffice?Killing time; I have an exam tomorrow and a festival right after.
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Those are my two main food groups!
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Except I'll be mainlining while smoking opium. I can't promise at that point that I will be able to keep up with the rest of you to reach you goal of 10,000, but I'll do my damndest.
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I like to do these things while sitting in a warm tub so i will have to use my laptop. On battery mode mind you. I'm not plugging that fucker in and trying to balance it on the edge while trying to shoot up and type at the same time. Dangerous....
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Just chimed in to tell you you're an idiot.
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Gotta go. Terminator: Salvation in 1:45.
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I thought I might have jumped the gun with my "musclebound Terminators" rant but went with it anyway. It's cool they're working up to that. Watching the first film last week impressed on me again just how cool the basic design of the original Terminator was. I'd like to see a company of those fucking things stealthily prowling the urban wastelands - out to kill Resistance meatbags.
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I have never been more insulted by a film in my entire life. MCG should be stripped of director title. My God, from the opening credits, I could tell the 34% on tomatoes was not a mistake. This film completely ripped my heart out (not like the crapped out finale) and threw it down the cinema isle. Nothing in this script made sense nor interested me. MCG has created a 200 million dollar popcorn fart that should kill this franchise. Why didn't Cameron give MCG his blessing? Dish out ten bucks and see this cyber crap.
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I was hoping you'd ask, since I was gonna crash it anyway. ;-)
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"No - he kissed my ass proper, but when it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there." Perhaps we are witnessing the beginning of a far more relevant uprising? God, I can only hope so. Fight it, Harry! Reclaim your fucking soul! Put the slurpee down, goddammit! If you stay the course, you...well, you're fucked. So stop it.
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Gee Harry, tell us what you really think about the movie. (grin)
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"woke up to confused, angry, betrayed, embarrassed txt msgs on my phone from McG" heh
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"IT HAD A NICE, MUSKY SWEETNESS THAT MCG'S SACK REALLY LACKED.
THAT'S WHY I GAVE GLOWING FUCKING PRAISE FOR THAT PIECE OF SHIT TREK EXCREMENT, BUT HAVE TRASHED TERMINATOR.
IF MCG WAS WILLING TO LET ME T-BAG HIM, THIS COULD HAVE PLAYED OUT VERY DIFFERENTLY.
UP NEXT: I LET STALLONE SKULL FUCK ME FOR THE 7TH TIME BECAUSE HE SENT ME JPGS THAT US MAGAZINE ALREADY PUBLISHED THE PREVIOUS WEEK." -
T4. what a ginger dickhead!!
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i dont wanna sound queer, but i think Depeche Modes a kickass band
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pay for Star Trek and sneak in to T4
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AICN made the cut, but they didn't choose Harry's review, for obvious reasons. Imagine that? You own the site, it's idenified with YOU, yet your review is so full of bile and juvenile venom that it's passed over for one of the junior writer's reviews.
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have they ever actually SAID that Kryptonite kills Superman? ive always been under the impression that it just neutralizes him. our sun is what makes him more powerful than us and the lack of Kryptonite. maybe im wrong. idunno.
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If he stays in contact or near it long enough (Superman I it was implied that either the water or the Kryptonite chains would kill Superman sooner or later). I think it might be a long death though for dramatic reasons.
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Not paying for shit. What I mean is: I will not pay to see shit. Sadly, that's a majority of what Hollywood produces these days.
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Star Trek already got some of my money. I liked it, but it doesn't need anymore of my money.
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Kryptonite can't kill Superman just immobilize him while he is near it. Pretty much any story in the comics he just gets really weak no matter how long he is exposed to it. It it did kill him Lex would have used it to do that long ago.
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In the movies, they've never exploited his other weaknesses, magic & telepathy, for obvious reasons. Therefore, in the movies, his sole weakness should be fucking crippling. And he had a piece of it lodged in him for a good long while. Oh, and then he lifted an island FULL of it into ORBIT. And that's a dealbreaker for me. They really should introduce his other weaknesses so they can move away from the K-angle.
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Harry, I HATE your review like you HATE this movie! FUCK you and your review!
Now that that is out of the way... I just returned from seeing the film after skimming your wretchedly immature and unprofessional review. Have to say your review lacks any sound reasoning to match your outlandish disdain for this film? No character to care about? No character development? I actually thought the Marcus Wright character was pretty damn good, I agree Bale's talent was not fully realized. The opening scene with Helena was NO WHERE new as awful as you propose. I really CANNOT comprehend your unfounded and illogical hate and loathing for TS?!?! But, opinions are like assholes and both your opinion and ASSHOLE are BIGGER than mine. Cannot wait for your glowing review of G.I. JOE! -
geography then they'd realize that the "Land of the Free" doesn't belong to them, nor does the world!! and then maybe they'd stop sending their toy soldiers and illegally held prisoners through Shannon Airport and disrupting ordinary decent human beings from getting on with their lives!!
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I think Green Kryptonite can kill him, but it just takes an incredibly long time.
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"soldier" and "demon with a glass hand" who gives a fuck? what i'd really like to see is "demon" as a complete movie. backstory--middle--and then continuing to when Trent has to wait to reaken the human race--now that would be badass and yes, film it at the Bradbury building again. it'll never happen but there is a ton of material that could be incorporated there! That said, i still enjoyed the first two Terminator but Hollywood as usual beats a dead horse untill it turns into a pile of shit! Yes, i enjoyed the new Star Trek but was it really all that necessary? Not really....
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yah, i went there. Superman, Star Trek and Depeche Mode? this is a T:S talkback people. Focus.
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May 21, 2009 6:07:39 PM CDT
The Arnold face looked fucking awful and was distracting
by cruel_kingdom
Fuck this movie. Also, why does Bale have to growl all the fucking time? ... Ugh. Again, I repeat, fuck this movie.
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Hah, just saw that. Classic.
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I think you mean it was "awful and fucking DIS-TRACT-ING!"
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This movie wasn't that bad (hell I liked it more than T3). It beats the piss out of X-Men Origins, and don't get me started on Twatlight. Don't tell me you condemn a movie for having a line like 'Now I know what death tastes like' when you love a movie that has comedic gold such as 'We consider ourselves vegetarians; we only drink the blood of ANIMALS.' Thing is I don't disagree with your reviews very often either, Harry, but wow.
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Niice.
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For those who haven't heard it...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wijj427JhnY The "hook" where Bale says "What don't you fucking understand?" sounds terrific. Very good, very funny mix. And best of all, he doesn't fucking growl.
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That new animation is fucking eye-gouging! Seriously, I may not sleep tonight.
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McG is SHEET TOO...I think bale needs a little time away on holiday,let his persona cool down a bit.
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McG is SHEET TOO...I think bale needs a little time away on holiday,let his persona cool down a bit.
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McG is SHEET TOO...I think bale needs a little time away on holiday,let his persona cool down a bit.
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you're right man i did mention that piece of shit movie alot. i remember promising myself that i wasn't gonna watch transformers obviously because michael bay is fuckery. at the time i was a fan of reading post on here regularly especially from harry. when he gave it such a good review i was like man is it possible michael bay made a great movie and i was gonna be the one missing out on history. but damn when i went to the movies to see it for myself sake of harry the bullshitter i came out stunned. i know people will say take a chill pill but seriously what the fuck was that. harry lost all credibility that day. they also stole a piece of my childhood and soul that day. sniff sniff.
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...Terminator Salvation by 8 out of 10 housewives.
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I liked T4.
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Harry gave Transformers a terrible review.
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well done scotsman75 you've managed to make us all look like idiotic neanderthals that haven't moved passed 1706. From Scots everywhere we're sorry for muppets like that. They're usually to drunk and ginger to do much, but occasionally one breaks free
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When some wide-eyed eight foot tall manic grabs your neck and taps the back of your favorite head against the barroom wall and he looks you crooked in the eye and asks you if you've paid your dues-you just stare that big sucker right back in the eyes and tell him what Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have you paid your dues, Jack?" Yeas sir the check is in the mail. All from memory, motherfuckers!
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Not one bit. Could the film have been better. Yeah of course it could have been. Why does Skynet have visual screens? Only humans need Graphical User Interfaces. Machines don't need that shit they are logged in with direct data interface.
John Connor has Wolverine bones. He is tossed into shit and hit with T-800 steel fists, and he comes out unscathed until the thing claws his face.
In the end I was entertained. I hated ever reused catchphrase and there where many scenes where logic had no involvement. Who is Hellen really? Was it cancer, or was it related to her work, was she from then or form the future.
Hope the next films better, but this was fine, and CGI Arnold- He looks just like he did in the first film, even the hair is dead on, Wow! but you only see his face for 10 seconds or so. McG beat my expectations of him and this film. So.. well that's that. I'm not eager to see it again anytime soon. I'd love to see how they did the Arnold scene, and I honestly wish it was more than 10 seconds or so of face time, but hey Leave em hungry for more, right. -
fuck yeah the check is in the mail!
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Clearly he didn't see the same film I did. I thought it rocked, and fits into the T franchise like a glove. It had plenty of nods to the past (or future, if you will) with excitement in the now. And the changing face of Skynet is clearly a hint towards the T-1000 development. Duh!
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film school garbage... I am glad I saw it, because I thought it was good. I liked the characters, the story, the (spoiler) skynet deception, I just really liked the whole damn movie. Very fast, intense, great action and a surprising amount of violence for pg-13.. Harry's reveiw couldn't be further from reality. No film is perfect, not even JAWS, and this isn't either, but it's a damn fine addition to the Terminator universe...
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This has no bearing on the quality of the film -- and it may very well be wretched -- but Korea HAS a *geisha* equivalent:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/319341/kisaeng
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JAWS *IS* a perfect film! And why does everyone always spell it in caps? Its like LOST. Hardly anyone does lower-case for the rest of the letters, but both productions always seem to necessitate CAPS when typing the title.... interesting.
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Cruel_Kingdom. You're a fuckin' moron.
'Arnold Face looked awful'?
What EXACTLY didn't you like about it?
Lighting, Texturing, Animation?
I'd hate to know what you thought qualified as GOOD VFX.
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i dunno i see myself doing that too tho. its probably subconsciously to differentiate between the word lost and LOST the TV show. JAWS is flawless by the way. find a flaw, i CHALLENGE ANYONE!!!! not a beat or note wrong. perfection. even the doc is bliss.
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Just got back and this movie owned. Aside from the writing, which could have been a little better ...don't know why they stuck with those 2 douche bags who wrtoe T3..I DO NOT understand all the hate. What on Earth do you people want from a Terminator movie?? This movie kicked your ass from beginning to end...If you want a comedy go watch that fucking new Ben Stiller movie. T3 tried the comedy and it was fucking wretched...oh and BTW..looking back on T2, which I love with all my heart...the comedy in that sucked too.."I need a vacation.." that was stupid as hell!! As much as I love T2, I remember initially being disappointed in that because I liked Arnold better as the bad guy, without the vacation jokes and trying to smile..then in T3, you have the sunglasses gimmick..talk to the hand.."Im Back"...that movie was so bad, even Arnold sucked in it...TS is wayyyyyy better than T3...
Now go change your diapers and wait for the next Eddie Murphy comedy...it seems thats what most people want..
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And those are the ONLY two productions I can think of where I always type the title out in all caps (including MySpace, Facebook, school reports, etc...). Its never "Jaws" and "Lost", always JAWS, LOST! Like the productions are so good they need to be in all caps, all big and bold, like the film and show themselves. And I agree- someone point out a flaw in JAWS for me. And I mean a real flaw, not some nitpick.
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Characters and arcs that feel real and serve the plot, not artificially created because it'll be "kewl". The action looks fine, its everything else I worry about.
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Dude, Harry you were way wrong on this..I just got back and still digesting the whole movie. It rocked, there wasn't one person in the movie that talked, moved, or went to use the shitter. Don't believe all the hate none of it's true; and this is coming from a person that owns 4 copies of Terminator, I loved it
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This movie has the soul of a fucking cinder block. The only ones who'll enjoy this rancid turd are people with ADD who can't follow story lines, character arcs and are mollified by shiny objects... And retarded Scotsmen.
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Total let down... That future war looked like the PG-13 crapfest it was meant to be. I would've fucking imagined something on par with Animatrix's Last Renaissance. Where the fuck was the hard core terrifying laser war shown in T2??? This is pretty much studios not wanting to spend money to make a future war look great and epic and also dumbing it down to PG-13 levels just in a vain attempt to get more asses into the seats. This film is worse than T3 which was just alright with some cool moments.
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hard to meet pre-conceived expectations when fan boys OC on a project prior to a single frame being shot.
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hard to meet pre-conceived expectations when fan boys OC on a project prior to a single frame being shot.
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flaming turd go down the toilet - its going to open huge (like the Hulk did), but people will realize how shitty it really is...
the idiots that go back more than once are feeding the studios that are happy producing shit for movies instead of stories or script...
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All right then, let's argue that based on what you said, that SKYNET knows of Reese's significance. They still can't kill him.
It would re-arrange the timeline. The ramifications of that action would be unfathomable even to SKYNET and at very least would alter it's current incarnation. No sentient being would want to run the risk of the possibilities of such an action.
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For example, there's one scene where arni-terminator throws Marcus-terminator against a metal beam and it bends from the impact. Harry thought that was John Connor being slammed around. He was probably too busy twittering his outrage to notice though. The movie was good with some problems IMHO, mainly Marcus. If you are a fan of any of the terminator films you will probably want to see this.
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please fanboys? really? Rotten Tomatoes is a sample of MAINSTREAM critics...delude yourself if you must, but those ordinary reviewers also think this movie stinks. Give your head a shake.
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I respect your opinion...I just had a great time with this movie..I also had two of my kids with me, so it might have helped that I kind of watched through their eyes..
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Since Moriarty isn't around, we need to also get Alexandra Dupont's T4 analysis.
As Harry has his EMail address, it'd be interesting seeing what Jim Cameron thinks of T4 (in terms of what he thinks it did right
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but was worth watching (barely). Harry's review isn't the greatest, imo, with all due respect. The main reason why this movie sucked is how everything is "thrown at you". Good movies suck you and and really good movies touch, move, motivate, and/or inspire. This movie had a FEW (very few) "moving" moments but that's it. And probably the most disappointing thing for me was the special effects/action. Wolverine and Star Trek EASILY had 2x better action/special effects... how sad.
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For years I've been convinced that Harry will randomly choose to give a movie a bad review just to prove to us he isn't a total "
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T4 doesn't deliver the story we all wanted to see, which is John Connor fighting HKs and driving pickup trucks through the rubble, eventually sending Kyle Reese back to the past. Definitely suffers from "first chapter in a trilogy" syndrome where the story doesn't really climax all that much, there's just sort of a battle and someone dies and everything is sort of the same at the end. On the other hand, middle parts of trilogies tend to be my favourite and maybe the next movie will actually have some payoff. I wouldn't be surprised if Reese goes back at the end of the second movie and the third movie is a kind of Back to the Future 2 thing, where half of it is a 1984 period piece and we're seeing another perspective on the first movie. That could be fucking cool.
It does deliver some good future war action. I think Robocop\Marcus is the lamest, hackiest angle they could have gone with. Again we have a franchise that needs to mesh protagonist with nemesis as if that's any kind of twist or delivers any kind of profundity. It's tired you fucking lame idiots.
I expect they'll start using plasma lasers in the next movie, probably developed by Skynet and quickly co-opted by the humans.
This reboot lacked imagination and has an extremely bland colour pallete throughout. I understand it's the apocalypse but that doesn't mean that all of reality has become sepia toned. The only colour in the entire movie was in that fat bitch Bryce Howard's visine-soaked eyes. With all these complaints and more I found it moderately enjoyable. It had giant robots and the sound mix was pretty awesome.
One thing that tells me it was not all that bad is I had one of the most annoying fuckers ever in front of me. This champion decided he wanted to have an empty seat between him and his friends, but also wanted to spend half the movie chatting with them about what was on screen. He also did a fucking full set of dips in total throughout the movie, raising his entire body up out of his chair and holding that position, literally as if you were doing dips on a parallel bar. I really wanted to make a smartass comment but my adrenaline runs away with itself so I practiced zen and used these times to immerse myself in the movie and imagine this fucking retard becoming a human roman candle on Judgement Day.
Like with Star Trek, it seems the writers just didn't get it, and the producers made sure the writers just pillaged someone else's prior creativity in order to maximize the broad appeal of the movie. That being said I actually found it more respectful of canon and truer to the spirit of the real deal than Star Trek. I didn't see Wolverine yet, but I did recently re-watch X3 on blu-ray and found it to be pretty enjoyable considering who made it. Oh, wait, that was Brett Ratner right? I always confuse him and McG. I've already shared my opinion on Alien Resurrection, which is that it's irredeemably bad, but being an Alien sequel it is a big-budget art film and for that reason is worth watching for 90 minutes, but don't watch the last four chapters on the DVD.
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I think the thing I didn't like about the animation was that it looked fake, assfuck. It doesn't take an expert to see when something doesn't look like a real person's face.
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MAJOR PLOT HOLES...
1) If Skynet knows who Kyle Reese is, then why don't they kill him right away and thus erase Connor from existance?
2) How in the hell does Skynet even know what Kyle Reese looks like? Where did it get the data to know what he looks like?
3) In this timeline, how does Skynet know that they "failed" in sending back other Terminators when it's questioning Marcus in the computer room? The time machine hadn't been created yet! It's like all Skynets (past, present and future) are linked.
4) How in the FUCK does Connor sneak into Skynet so easily?...fucking please.
5) How come the Terminator at the end of the movie can't kill Connor's in one swift blow?
6) How in the hell does the resistance have airplane hangers and a base in the middle of the dessert? Airplane fuel is in abundance too I guess. And a submarine for a central base? Fucking stupid. -
I'm 25 years old, I grew up watching these movies, i love the Terminator series, I love the stories and the characters. T3 was okay but wasnt the greatest. T4 I thought was really really well done to be honest. I saw the midnight showing and the place was sold out. Lots of people liked it and cheered. I love the Arnold moment. I love Sam Worthington's acting too, he did a good job, as did Anton and Bale. Ya some parts were a tad flawed but it kept me on the edge of my seat and I didn't want it to end. I can't wait for the next one. Actually... I wanna go see Terminator Salvation again.
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when that Terminator scratched his face. I dunno man, I really liked it. I had a feeling while watching it that I was probably missing stuff that would bother superfans because, to be honest, I'm not that exacting. I don't have all the things that were supposed to happen based on the other films memorized so I don't know if it contradicted anything or not. I thought maybe if something like that happened, which I would have missed, then that might explain why people hate it. But I saw it this afternoon, just reread your review, and you really really hate it.
I didn't have a problem with the acting. I thought Worthington was playing half man/more machine so apart from a couple of humanistic leftovers I don't see why he should be very emotional. I thought he did a good job. Although I think they really shouldn't have been so obvious about him being a machine in the trailers and whatnot. That chick Blair. I kinda liked her. I don't think that makeup was a focal point. Maybe she liked Adam Ant. She was fine. The little girl Star made sense to me. In the movies kids always go mute when something traumatic happens. But she was also superuseful and I thought it was a bit of kidpower when she wasn't just trembling and crying like most post-apocalyptic kids. She was actually helping out. But oddly enough she did remind me looks-wise of Michael Jackson as the Scarecrow in The Wiz. And Bale didn't disappoint. Maybe we expect too much of him sometimes. Carter wasn't bad. She just shouldn't be bald ever.
My complaints are few. #1 Common. I don't get it. Why is he in everything? In this it's like that wasn't even a role until someone decided to stick him in it because they owed a favor or something. I don't know. There's gonna be an explanation someday. #2 CG eyes. I still hate them. They still creep me the fuck out. Shame they couldn't get the real guy. #3 I said to myself 'Oh look Terry Crews' and then he never came back. Was he playing a dead body? He went by so fast I don't even know. If not, where'd he go? What else? Well not a complaint but :) if it were me, I'd have played Kickstart My Heart over the end credits. Anyway, I'd give it an 8/10. I could see it again even. -
I fucking loved it...had to post twice. Harry's reviews are retarded
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Harry, your review lost me with this line: "John Connor was a bit of a badass as a teenage bastard in TERMINATOR 2." Um, where? In what universe was he anything other than a whiny little bitch in Terminator 2? Hell, in what universe was that film anything but a turd?
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Considering they set it in 2018 I kind of like that both sides are still using bullets. 2018 is less than ten years from now. I know the AI should be way technologically advanced but if offers some continuity and world-building to show that things developed in stages.
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Harry is a drunk with power fat tub of lard and officially has cemented himself as the biggest joke in the history of "jounralists" His ridiculously harsh review of Terminator Salvationn crossed the line and to me seemed like a feeble attempt to be cool. The movie is no way perfect but it was'nt the piece of shit that Harry declared. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but when your opinion is so jaded that it can negatively affect a films box office then you are crossing the line a bit. I just think Harry has a vision of what Terminator should be and because it wasnt spot on with his vision he trashed it beyond recognition. The problem with "fat red" is that he is so inconsistent...I mean he praises Crank 2 for gods sake....Harry needs to get a reality check....Todays "hate" mentality when it comes to fanboys is getting quite old....unfortunately for some the sheer mention of the name MCG automatically means that it will be crap....believe me I had that thought myself but I was willing to give the movie a chance. Im glad i did. Fuck you Harry Knowles and be a little consistent you fat fuck
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Because Terminator Salvation was truly fucking awesome. It had a minimal set of plot and characterization issues like New Trek - just not nearly enough to ruin the basic awesomeness of this movie.
Still, this was EASILY THE BEST TERMINATOR MOVIE SINCE TERMINATOR. My affinity for Lord Bale notwithstanding, he was one seriously intense John Connor. Finally, finally, finally a John Connor I can believe to be the leader of the Resistance. Hardcore no-nonsense soldier to rival Michael Biehn.
The problem was HE WAS ENGULFED IN A SEA OF AMATEURS and the whole thing suffered from bad editing.
But goddamn did it have some great action and nice visuals. I liked the Marcus storyline, I think his relationship with Moon should've been played out more, but overall it was a fresh, compelling story.
I'd say Trek was the better movie if only because JJ is just a better director than McG, and Trek had a more talented overall cast.
Bale, Worthington and Yelchin had to carry this whole movie on their backs and there was too much dead weight all around. I have no idea what Bryce was doing here. She looked like she just stepped out of the make-up chair and totally out of time and place. Bizarre casting.
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May 21, 2009 9:10:39 PM CDT
I love people that complain about timeline problems
by beaarthurbackfromhell
I guess they conveniently forget that skynet could have sent a terminator back to when john was born and killed him in the womb....or kill sarah as a child...who gives a fuck....none of these movies hold up to that kind of srutiny...douche bags
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then the failure will be complete.
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He couldn't even pop a wheelie. The laws of gravity dictate that his arms would tear off at the seams.
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but everyone on this TB is spooked. it's not like you need multiple viewings to appreciate Terminator movies. face it, people are not digging this flick.
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Goes without saying.. totally unprofessional lighting in T4.
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Kyle Reese is going to go back in time and tell a young fat Harry Knowles that he needs to eat more vegetables......his response..."I'll be Fat"
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i told people ages ago that Anton Yelchin would surprise people with his Reese.
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In his little animation thingy? Is he supposed to be kneeling? 'Cause he looks like an amputee.
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is that they are filled with memorable classic moments. Six months from now I defy you to name one classic or even memorable moment from this mediocre piece of shit.
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where there's "too much shit going on, but it really doesnt matter cause you dont care about ANY of the characters?" i feel there's no real suspense cause you KNOW kyle will live and so will JOHN because certain events need to happen in order for the franchise to be coherent.
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I could see some Kyle Reese in Yelchin, yes indeed. He nailed it I'd have to say.
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i wont waste money on a movie that claims things have been changed by terminator incursions into the past, but makes the survival of kyle reese so he can go back in time a pivotal plot point...thats how this movie jumped the shark...just like bryan singers superman returns jumped the shark and made it unwatchable when they shown clark as a kid in smallville with glasses...same thing....and the writers of star trek did get it, that movie was awesome...and get off the Pg-13 dicks, pg-13 movies are as or more violent than the rated R movies of the past. a rated R movie these days means tons of gore or sex....harry is right..and im just not seein it based on that rediculous kyle reese point ....honestly, hes been born already...hes leading the resistance...if kyle dont go back does he poof out of existence ? no...whats to say that in the original timeline(before the first terminator went back to kill sarah)that reese was connors father...coulda been anyone..
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I've *really* been looking forward to it, hoping its a good fun movie, but lately McG's comments regarding sequels and original endings for this film have caused my expectations to plummet. I honestly believe this man has no real idea of how to tell a story, so I'm latching onto these criticisms of empty characterizations and missing motivations to back my feelings.I do hope I'm pleasantly surprised, and now that my expectations have nosedived, there's a good chance I will be.
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it seems things are 50/50 with people lot digging it and people loving it. I personally loved it
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really...i dont get what people are talking about. they must be brain dead. lots of people thought it was good/great
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& he ripped them off to throw at her.
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Not in my opinion. I loathed Transformers but I love TS despite its faults. There is an element of danger to the action scenes, quite a few of them are very intense. Don't get me wrong, I can give you a list of problems, plot holes and fantastical leaps in logic, but like Trek, it was a compelling ride, a damned good movie experience and a Terminator movie worthy of the name.
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never realized he was "charlie bartlett" ...now THAT was an awesome movie... he was a great checkov...has a huge and profitable future ahead for him....great actor...he literally becomes each character he plays.
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This would've been an R back in the 80s, and you guys loved T1, right? If you don't watch this in a theater you are so going to regret it.
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thats gonna really crush LaserPants. thats a shame.
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was not loathable, it was an awesome movie from beginning to end..the people that say continuously that things were "too busy" and they couldnt tell what was going on need to get glasses..never had a problem telling what was goin on...the fanboys of transformers are the only thing loathable about the transformers franchise. u guys are still moaning about the movie...2 yrs and 700million box office later....let it go, jump off a bridge, amputate those keyboard commando fingers so the rest of us can read any talkback and not hear u losers moaning on and on and on about transformers....geezzz
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transformers plays slightly better at home. still not that good
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I just saw it and it’s not as bad as Harry’s whiney tirade.
There IS a lot of cool stuff in the movie that pays homage to T1 and T2 with Arnold’s CG cameo is the icing on the cake. A good popcorn movie (as was T1 and T2).
You have to remember this is the story of how John Conner became the Supreme Commander of the Resistance. It’s only 2018, he’s just a soldier and that’s how you meet him. He still has 9 more years of fighting before he sends Kyle Reese back to 1984.
This is only the beginning of a yet another “rebooted” franchise. A second one ironically that Arnold managed to destroy and Christian Bale managed to resurrect. This for me was like watching Transformers. It was good but it wasn’t the best the series can offer. Transformers 2 looks like an improvement. If people support this movie then hopefully they’ll make T5 or even a TSCC movie (like they did with Serenity). -
I wasn't crazy about the scene, but I can appreciate them trying to tie Bale Connor to the Furlong Connor character somewhat. You'll see what I mean.
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Terminators are brutal here. Ain't no Wobodaddy in this dojo.
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When you say it pays homage to T1 & T2, I hope it isn't like The Crystal Skull, where it basically references & copies elements from the old movies.
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This quote could have easily been applied to the new JarJar Abrams movie.
"In both cases, it feels like children playing with material of which they haven’t the slightest grasp of. They can’t conceive of what actually made the material great to begin with. To them, it’s the props, the hardware, the most rudimentary iconography. Not how the characters were LOVED by their creators." -
Have not seen anyone comment on the meta-text of using Alice in Chains, who represent first-wave Seattle grunge along with Nirvana, as Marcus' "song". John's song is by GNR who as we all know had their stadium rock lifestyle cut short by the death of hair metal at the hands of grunge.
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In my post to Harry regarding his lack of constancy in his "reviews" I decided to go all the way back to his glowing review of The Phantom Menace to prove my point, however as you pointed out his positive review of Crank2 would have underscored this point just as well. It is times like these that I miss Moriarty (Drew).
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To my recollection there's just one brief scene that was a corny homage to T2 and used one of those cliched lines. But it was really brief, nothing to detract from the rest of the movie.
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May 21, 2009 10:07:25 PM CDT
O RLY? If you want better movies, then quit perpetuating studio
by rking
Looks like it's time for someone to become a Wingman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBXOwWC48PM&fmt=22
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I don't mind a bit of that. I actually watched T3 last night. It reminded me just how much the films do repeat the same things. That's not always bad as long as they have cool elements (Bond movies for example are basically the same film over & over), but T3 was a shameless parody.
I'm actually really looking forward to this movie (even if Harry hates it).
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I just got back from this aborted fetus of a film. yes. It's THAT bad. I can't recall the last time a film left such a bad taste in my mouth, maybe Stop or My Mom will shoot. Yes. It's THAT bad.
No tension, no drama, no build-up, Bale isn't even at his A-game. Hell, it's fucking sad when the biggest moment of the movie is a CGI fake Arnold for 3 seconds. This movie shits all over the legacy of part 1 and 2. I'm not exaggerating, it's that bad.
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I just watched that Wingmen thing you linked us to. What an annoying bunch of cunts.
If I met them in the street, I'd kick them in their bad acting, smug muppet faces.
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*** Spoiler Alert!!!! ***
1) Skynet needed Kyle as bait to get to Connor. Killing Kyle was no guarantee that Connor would simply be "erased". He's a flesh and blood reality, for Bale's sake. Stop looking at Back To The Future for as your time travel paradox bible.
2) Skynet knows future Kyle's identity from events in the 80s. They used facial recognition tech to surmise what he looked like as a kid or teen.
3) Fuck, that one gave me a headache thinking about it. It is what it is - time travel bullshit.
4) Were you not listening to Bonham Carterbot? They LET Connor infiltrate Skynet because they were baiting him all along.
5) Because Christian Bale is fucking hardcore.
6) That's where military hangars and bases usually are. What, you think NORAD's in downtown Denver? It is what it is!!!
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I respect your opinion on the film but I personally loved it, and I am a 25 yr old guy who is a massive fan of the Terminator films. I'm just wondering what you didnt like about it? Your entitled to your opinion but it just boggles my mind on how there is such a divide. it seems its 50/50 with everyone. either you hate it or love it. my friensd and i are going back to see it again tomorrow on IMAX.
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I'm not kidding man did you see this piece of shit film? McG owes us an apology. How can you make Bale turgid, uninspired and flaccid? This is Bale we are talking about, and he looked dazed and completely out of his element.
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thats weird man haha. when i saw the movie at the midnight showing it was sold out, lots of people clapped ater the movie and cheered at somethings during it. idk i personally loved it. i just think its funny people either love it or hate it. there were some people in the theater that seemed bummed but there were lots that liked it
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and when the first tagline that appeared in the Bruno trailer was one from Aint It Cool News, my wife was like "I can't fucking get away from that shit I swear." hehe! Praise Harry!
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T1 is my favorite movie of all time, and T2 is my second favorite. I even registered on this site almost 4 years ago, just to post on the Terminator forums. I've been posting on Terminator boards here and over at TerminatorFiles.net for a long time now. Don't even bother calling me a plant.
Anyway, I thought T3 was awful, and a terrible follow-up to T2. T3 basically created a bunch of stupid new plot holes just so they could re-hash the same "Terminator goes back in time to kill a Connor family member" formula. In T2, you grew to really like the T-101, and when he had to terminate himself at the end, it was an emotional moment, especially with John crying, begging him not to do it. T2 had heart. T3 had no heart. Arnold had some funny moments in T3, but for the most part, the new T-101 was not likeable, and you didn't feel much connection to it, and the ending was emotionless and bland, whereas T2's ending was powerful and moving.
T4 brings back that emotional element, and I think it worked well. You can feel the desperation the resistance members have, in their war against the machines, and the characters are more likeable and vulnerable, whereas in T3, Kate Brewster was not likeable at all, and John Connor essentially turned into an annoying whimp. When Marcus decides to sacrifice himself to save John Connor, that was a pretty powerful moment there, and it reminded me of the ending to T2. T4 is already underrated, on the day of it's release. It's a shame. The exaggerating, negative fanboys are ruining it for everyone. I saw this smovie, and as a hardcore Terminator fan, I was blown away. When that iconic theme played an the Terminator logo flashed on the screen, it was just... incredible.
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I'm just as baffled by the polar opposite reactions to this movie. I think it had a lot to do with the piss poor editing. I was keenly aware of it so I excused it, but I think it is really grating on many.
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Firstly, the film strayed entirely too far from the mythos with disposable out of left field characters. Marcus? The brunette chick? Micheal Ironside? Where the FUCK did all these summers eves throwaways come from?
Secondly, humanity was far too organized and effective with maintained military hardware like the warthogs. There was a nuclear war, human beings are supposed to be tattered, torn, survivors not an effective fighting force. They are supposed to spend the majority of their days scavenging, and the whole FUCKING point of the future-war being seen at night, was that it was far too dangerous to venture out in the day.
Thirdly, there was absolutely no sense of FUN about this movie. The fun ARNOLD brought to the films, even as a villain in the first movie. Helena Bonham Carter versus Arnold or Robert Patrick as arch-villain is a fairly piss poor match-up.
The Arnold cameo was tacked on. Utterly. he was standing there waiting in a fucking jail cell? Get the fuck out of here.
This movie had done by commitee written all over it. It strays too far from the formula, and doesn't being anything nw to the table. The film ends exactly, exactly as it began. Only minus secondary throw-away characters. Nothing about the concept was pushed forward. -
I'm so glad I don't live over there. What's the point in applauding or booing a recording? It's like sitting at home listening to a CD & shouting "You suck, Coldplay!"
I once watched a movie here in Japan (where the locals are the opposite-too silent! No laughing at jokes or anything. Even a concert is like a fucking morgue) & this American ex-pat sitting near me, spent the whole movie responding to lines in it, like "Yeah, that's right!".."You tell 'em"..Damn straight".
A room full of guys like that would drive me to murder.
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I agree with ya - fine post. It really does suck about the overwrought negativity. This was a pretty astounding Terminator movie.
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thats just your opinion bro. sorry but its true. just because you and other people didnt like it doesnt mean there arent people who do. so far its 50/50. it has an 8.3 on IMDB
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Why Cameron and Arnold only gave their cursory approval to this flaccid piece of post-apocalyptic dung. If Bale were smart , and we all know he is, he would sistance himself from this shit ASAP. McG doesn't have the film muscle to pull off a concept such a Terminator. The first film was a simple love story with a clear cut villain. What the fuck was this movie even about? They made John Connor a conflicted SUB-ordinate bitch that needed someone elses heart?? A convicted murderer at that?
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seriously
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It's easy to talk a bunch of bullshit, so tell me, what the fuck was this movie conceptually even about? How did it advance the Terminator mythos? It ended as it began, the entire film was a monumental waste of two hours. What was the message here, what was it saying? The first film eloquently stated we are all subject to fate, the second film said there is no fate but what we make for ourselves, the third film backpeddaled and reinforced we are subject to fate no matter how hard we try to change the course of destiny. So what is this film saying? Everyone deserves a second chance? hah hah hah
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it is the first film in a trilogy. its the first story in the fight against the machines. like The Matrix.
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Wr still havent gotten our Future-war film where John Connor leads a rag tag resistance movement that is morally defeated, and through his inspiration ALONE, humanity pulls together to wage one last battle against the machines. In the process, they all but defeat skynet, and as a last ditch effort Skynet sends well now THREE different Terminators into the past, and John Connor sends a lone warrior, Kyle Reese, back in time to save his mother. Where is that fucking film? Why dance around the issue with throw-away secondary entirely irrelevant characters like a Marcus? The Terminator universe is becoming entirely too convoluted.
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that's how they justify it, stretching the concept into an entire trilogy. I guess that's their right. And no doubt at the end of the third film Connor will send Reese back to do his duty. But damn, talk about taking the back road.
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lol i thank god your not a movie director.
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I'm most certainly NOT a movie director, but if I were, and took on a concept like the Terminator, in addition to making a quick buck, I'd at least honor the origin and legacy of the concept and try to advance the narrative a little. This new film is a Deux Ex Machina. All it effectively does is take two hours to show Connor rise in rank a bit, and introduce the T-800.
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May 21, 2009 11:03:39 PM CDT
this movie sucks. anybody want to change my mind?
by joker gordon levitt
Anybody want to explain why this movie should be respected at all?
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It starts at the rear. I'm all ready to tear this movie a new asshole. But not for any reason other than I love the mythos.
if you want the Gods honest truth, the mythos should have ended with part 2. They prevented Skynet from coming to be, and created an alternate uncertain timeline and future. Case closed. At least Cameron left it vague. But in truth 3 was just a chance to see Arnold again, sort of apocryphal, and this new one did absolutely NOTHING to advance the Terminator concept. -
Where were the T-700's with fake rubbery skin that were easier to detect? Shouldn't they have come first and the introduction of the T-800 been years later?
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And I'm sure many of us could come up with a better idea for the 1st film in a future war Terminator trilogy.
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1) Connor is the leader of the resistance.
2) Connor meets Kyle Reese, gives him a photo of Sarah
3) Resistance beats Skynet, discovers time displacement equipment.
4) Kyle Reese volunteers to follow the (state of the art) T-800 to 1984.
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DUMBEST MOVIE PLOT HOLE EVER - all skynet has to do is shoot kyle in the head when he is captured and verified!!! Dead Kyle = end of movie-John doesn't exist fade to black. I was sitting there thinking hmmm this could be interesting when they kill Kyle how will they explain all of this but noooo = Que explosions and some stupid heart to heart transplant. COME ON GUYS!WAKE UP!
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Its not that hard, McG! You self-righteous ass!
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Its not that hard, McG! You self-righteous ass!
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I think you people are bunch of babies. It's a given that a fourth installment that doesn't involved the creators is a cynical exercise - yet people feign astonishment that they didn't get some imagined scenario that no two people on this board would agree to want to seeing. I'm not going to advocate for the movie to anyone but the level of indignation being tossed around here is just preposterous. As much as people profess to wanting to see backstory and throwaway lines explored and given feature treatment it's pretty plain it isn't really what people want. It's a creative mindfield, if not a dead end and it essentially boils down to remaking the same movie again if only from some skewed perspective. I don't think that people are even getting pissed at these movies conciously anymore...they are just mentally fatigued from not seeing anything new and reflex vomit their bile. I was lucky enough to see the movie in a newish and booming (sound) auditorium - the sound design is some of the best in recent memory I thought. That and why is it that no one under the age of 30 knows how to act in public? So much cell/text glow in the theatre I wished I had one of Skynet's miniguns. Policy trailers don't even faze these goofs. I need to start bringing a cane with me I guess.
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So MAD!!! Even MADDER than I was after Indy 4. I'm watching XMOW just to get the taste out of T4 outta my mouth!!!
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seriously. It was basically laid out in the first two movies FOR him.
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May 21, 2009 11:52:48 PM CDT
Arteska, you're disregarding legitimate complaints
by joker gordon levitt
This movie failed to show respect to the others in the series, and therefore deserves to be lambasted as a pile.
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You gotta be pretty dense not to do the homework on this franchise before taking the reigns. And to think, I defended his right to direct! Never again McG. You have taken a mile, sir.
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Wish I did.
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May 21, 2009 11:58:32 PM CDT
The Terminator chronology works, if you think about it...
by neodevilbanex
My thoughts on the Terminator chronology:
Way I see it, everything beyond the ending of T3 is pretty much uncharted territory... we're in a new timeline now. I mean, the events of T1, T2, and T3, and even TS in the "present day" all happen exactly as we saw.. but the future timeline changed as a result of the time-travelling in T2 and T3.
The events of the timeline can't be rectified into a singular timeline. T2 changed the timeline, and T3 changed it again. What we have is a bunch of alternate timelines being created every time the movies mess with the future again.
In the first timeline, SkyNET went live in 1997 via CyberDyne Systems, nukes and countermeasures exchanged with Russia, Judgement Day. Kyle Reese is sent back in 2029 by John Connor.
In the second timeline, Judgement Day is averted, postponed until 2004 where it goes via Cyber Research Systems/CRS (instead of CyberDyne, destroyed in 1994/95 in T2). In 2032, John is killed by a T-850 just after he and his top lieutenants score a triumphant victory over SkyNET.
In the third timeline in the aftermath of T3, Judgement Day really did happen in 2004 via CRS, John may or may not still be killed by a T-850 in 2032 (probably not, since he would certainly see it coming this time), but now all of his top lieutenants are dead (killed by the T-X in 2004).
It's not clear if John sending Kyle back in time to meet his mother still goes on schedule in 2029 in either of the latter timelines (it's possibly everything that happened in 2029 just got bumped to 2032, happening more or less the same).
What we DO know is that even if John, now, in the current third timeline, sends Kyle Reese back to 1984 to meet his mother, it wouldn't play out exactly as it did in T1. Kyle would tell her Judgement Day happens in 2004, not 1997; Kyle would tell her Arnie is a Cyber Research Systems T-800, Model 101, not CyberDyne, etc., etc..
Further corrupting the issue would be this : In this new timeline, the T-800 in T2 would tell Sarah Connor that Miles Bennet Dyson was NOT responsible for the creation of SkyNET (and in 2004 rather than 1997) but rather Robert Brewster, and CyberDyne systems was NOT responsible but rather Cyber Research Systems. So Sarah would go after CRS in T2 instead of CyberDyne, meanwhile CyberDyne would STILL have the arm and chip from T1, even in an altered timeline. So, Sarah blows up CRS instead of CyberDyne in T2 (in this new timeline), meanwhile CyberDyne goes on to launch SkyNet on schedule in 1997 potentially!
As such, it's really almost easier to rectify if John does NOTHING in this new timeline -- doesn't send Kyle back, only watches his back for T-850s in 2032. I don't believe time travel is such that if John doesn't send Kyle back he'll just vanish in the present (that implies there's some kind of time police Force that knows who is supposed to exist or not and then erases them like in Back to the Future, which is absurd)... what we have here is alternate timelines, branches if you will, each one with different events.
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decipher and conceive a method to adequately address all the "legitimate" complaints here, and stave off all the new ones created by doing so, would have be a machine. I didn't find the movie especially good but I don't think it's bottom dwelling genre entry either. The movie didn't really need to be made and that's the best solution to all the problems here most likely.
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I give "Terminator Salvation" a 3/10.
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May 22, 2009 12:06:56 AM CDT
A good T4 would have completed the circle of events
by joker gordon levitt
... and made the other films better. Unfortunately, Mostow and McG were unconcerned with plot resolution, and added gimmicks (TX, Marcus).
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I went in with low expectations and I ended up liking it alot. I am going to eat crow here ... this is massively better than Alien Resurrection and is better than T3 as well. The Arnold scenes are soooo much better and fitting than I was lead to believe. It has far fewer plot holes than the new Star Trek ( which I also liked and thought I would hate )
This movie isn't high art, and I still think that the T:SCC writers had a much better grasp of what it means to be in the terminator world. What cracks me up is all the hate for McG is misplaced.. .the guy didn;t do a half bad job. There is some really lame pacing a couple of times and a really really bad edit ( when Marcus goes to look for firewood... a very unnatural transition to the next scene )
maybe the print I saw was damaged.
Funny how people complain about the submarine... I thought it was fine, though unnecessary as a command center. T:SCC handled this much better..
The movie would have worked better if Conner was a more hands off guy... if he has remained the voice of the resistance. I would have loved to have seen everyone treat him with too much reverence, fearing him losing his life to the point of crippling him ( I mean figuratively for you 20 watt bulbs out there ) He could have this really rousing scene where he explains to people that he is no longer important, that it is the power of the human condition that is important, etc etc ( insted of the lame speech he does give ). Everyone knows him in this movie like you know a famous guy... NOT like he's your messiah. That was... well. weird.
I did *not* think the opening scene was too bad... HBC was actually very good... notice how she is obsessed with Marcus in an unnatural way, even trying to prolong their kiss. I bet originally this flashback was longer.
Yeah the death quote was poorly delivered.. but i got it..it's there to make Marcus creepy and try to show why we shouldn't like the guy. ( personally I think that's a copout but I just moved on )
All in All I enjoyed it... I thoroughly loved T:SCC and wonder what T4 would have been like with those writers. I think alot better.
one more thing... someone else said that the movie should have focused on Kyle Reese and Marcus. I *definitely* agree with that. There should have been an "unlikely father" aspect to their relationship that wasn't properly payed out ( paralleling T2 ). There are several other deliberate parallels to t1 &2 that I think were successful. Some of them, so much so that I think only hardcore Terminator fans will realize it.
OK all my other gripes are too spoilerific. End the end, I admit I liked it. I'll give it a passing grade.... a 'B' even.
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Me and my 3 friends (4 of only 18 in the theater) were squirming about an hour in. It looked like a cut scene from Metal Gear 4 with a shittier script. There is an epic difference between mindless summer action movies, and this. Literally nothing fun, exciting, exhilarating, thought provoking, or awe inspiring happened. 300 action scenes played out like a Tarantino homage to Micheal Bay and John Woo films, minus the skilled director part of that analogy. I honestly haven't hated sitting through a movie this much in my life. Watch the box office numbers crash to about 4 million by sunday, either that or this entire society is rendered worthless.
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This movie just isn't that bad. It's got nothing on T2, but it's also a much better and more honest attempt at restarting this franchise than Terminator 3, which was damn near a parody for half of the movie. Honestly, you call Star Trek the second coming and shit all over this, when they're both decent, but unremarkable action movies that spend equal time holding up and ignoring cannon. Get a fucking grip. All of you.
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Does anybody lend any credibility to any of the "movie reviews" from Harry Knowles? This is the same man who had a hard-on for The Phantom Menace, after all: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/3624
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and you know what? I actually liked it, while I'll agree that some moments were a bit corny and Helena Bonham Carter was weird, Harry's review is till 100% hyperbole, the film has good action and some interesting stuff, as a matter of fact I think the thing that bugged me the most was that they didn't address the issue of radiation, but hey I guess everyone dying of nuclear fallout wouldn't be very much fun, anyway I'm actually interested to see what they'll do next
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The movie works, sorry to disagree with you Harry. And one of the biggest reasons it works is---Sam Worthington, this despite his Australian accent coming and going. Who woulda thunk it, that he such magnetism to hold the movie screen? To me the guy is an unknown factor, but he was the human element that I connected to in the movie. Bale really was awful in it and yes, he DID speak in the Bat-voice through the entire movie. It made me want to reach and smack him upside the head. Some of the action sequences were pretty impressive; no shaky-cam action in THIS movie. Good move, McG. Now if he--McG-- could just get a singular writing vision, not a virtual baseball team of writers, on the sequel script, it'd be less bad. Ring up Jonathan Nolan again, McG, but JUST him, not a dozen other guys. That's where the movie fell down for me: it had some of the worst dialogue I've heard in a modern movie since forever. We're talking, Saturday afternoon Stargate SG-1 bad. Even Michael Bay doesn't let his actors say such inanities. Still, for a first film in a trilogy, it's a good effort, and the rest of the theater around me enjoyed it as well. (Side note, the trailer that got the BIGGEST positive reaction was the The Hangover with Bradley (Green Lantern??) Cooper.
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it's defiantly far better than T3
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This really is a divided house on whether T4 is good, or not. That's kinda cool in my book. I am definitely intrigued now. Bale will be droll as always I bet, but it might be fun. As I said earlier, the other 3 Terminators were far from masterpieces.
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Great movie. Hate on me, but I thought it was a kick ass movie.
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with it's rubber skin falling off the face area. At least in one shot during the scene where one of the prisoners tried to escape up the wall.
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Perfect. Don't be afraid to be a B Movie. Don't pretend to be "deep" by shoe-horning in some fruedian father figure crap. Cause that would be the very height of silliness.
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For those who've seen T4 (hey, you guys that haven't seen this, are you SURE you want to keep reading this? Okay, then...
At the end of the film, Bale was so bad and forgettable in this that I was rooting for him to bite it and for Marus (Worthington) to take over the Terminator series as the lead. He and Yelchin, who played Kyle Reese, kept the movie going. I usually like Bale, but the Bat-voice was friggin' annoying, distracting and hysterical, all at the same time. And what a waste of Bryce Dallas Howard; she's basically 'the wife' prop and does nothing for most of the movie. -
Gee whiz. He's got to talk low/whisper in movies sometimes. Every time he does it it's not the Bat voice. It's different. But of course being the same person talking in a low register from time to time it's gonna sound similiar. What's he supposed to do, do a Rosie Perez impression so no one will think he's a one dimensional voice actor?
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NO ONES MENTIONING HIS ACCENT,HOW WAS IT?
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His accent, actually his whole performance was unprofessional.
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I have a low tolerance for shitty movies anymore. I generally dismiss your reviews because you are usually apologetic for not liking shit, and generally it seems you like most things you see. To see you rail against a movie that SHOULD have been great, it's refreshing. Kudos big guy. I'm skipping this one, they lost me at McG.
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Dang, that one sucked. Except for the last 10 minutes.
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Karl Urban. Nimoy. Sulu's Darth Maul flip. That's all I remember from that film.
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I agree... she didn't attribute anything to the story...nor did Star. They had a lot of problems with the film... I didn't enjoy it. They should have expanded Bryce's role and completely cut out Star's role.
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May 22, 2009 2:38:49 AM CDT
Off topic, but whatever: Don't think Cameron's sci-fi equals Sco
by sk229
I think 2001, Alien, and Blade Runner are the three best science fiction films ever made. Ridley Scott, like Kubrick, isn't afraid to leave the audience behind at times and expect them to catch up with him. (At least, 30 years ago he was this way...). Cameron is a great showman and a great entertainer, and so some of his movies, even the first Terminator and Aliens, are more great entertainments than the best science fiction and they have moments that are sometimes a little cloying or pandering to all audiences. It's actually part of his genius, and it reached its apex with Titanic. But with sci-fi, only The Abyss comes close to Blade Runner or Alien. Alien's sets are probably the best sets that I've ever seen in a movie. One thing that Cameron shares with Scott is an eye for how to shoot an effect, incorporate it properly, and to make it look absolutely real. I just watched True Lies a few weeks ago and I can't believe how well the action sequences hold up. Christopher Nolan is the only director working today that I can think of, besides Spielberg(most of the time), who just won't let shit effects reach the screen. To me, the major differences between a great genre director and a shit one are these: 1) knows how to direct actors or at least cast actors that don't need much direction (Alien is a perfect example). AND 2) Knows how to shoot effects and make them look absolutely real. I think Jon Favreau could have these qualities, but there were times in Iron Man (from watching the behind the scenes stuff) that I wish he'd used more of Winston's suits and not given into ILM wanting to add moving flaps and shit to the suit when IM is just standing there. The suit itself is enough, the fact that it's real and exists in three dimensions trumps ILM and their fucking CG shit moving all over the place... IT'S FUCK-ING DISTRACTING!!!, So yeah kiddies and wanna be filmmakers... if you want Hollywood to come knocking, do something with realistic but cheap effects, have a good story, and good performances. This separates the B-movie directors from the A-level directors in Hollywood today. At least when it comes to genre films.
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They say bad things happen in threes, and that's my assessment of the summer blockbuster season so far. Wolverine, Star Trek, and now Terminator. 0-3. I had a different level of emotional investment in T4 then in Star Trek. As disappointed as I was with Nimoy for excoriating Spocks mythos with his rumblings of "faith" the movie was redeemable on an entertainment level. What Bale and McG effectively do to John Connor is what Nimoy and Abrams did with Spock, that is to totally strip them of their stoicism. While that was a deal breaker for me in disliking trek its a microcosm of what is wrong with Terminator. All the mythos created by Furlong, Cameron the glimpse of the future in T1, and at least not crippled by Nick Stahl has been summarily castrated by a creative team that missed the mark, the heart, and formula of the first two installments. It felt like the producers and McG were more concerned with expanding on that post-apocalyptic world that whetted so many of our appetites that they forgot to inhabit it with the characters and story that hooked us with the grisly visage of future bad ass John Connor. But the reality is there is nothing there. There is no one to root for. There is an inoffensive character and performances that either had no purpose (Worthington/Marcus) in a throw away story that feels like a kicked around idea during preproduction brainstorming. And Worthington is one of the strengths of the movie! Still, I don't know why Marcus is needed in this universe or to tell the story of John Connor or Kyle Reese. This movie is totally flaccid, made by a capable action director who created a world that seems completely unaffected by a nuclear holocaust that has destroyed everything. Everything but ... all neccessary medical supplies... military equipment..., communications, transportation and computers. You know everything needed to reboot society if they can just manage to get rid of those gosh darn robots. Never have terminators seemed less effectual or threatening as they are here. So we have this sinking ship, McG at the helm but lest we forget to assign some blame for this debacle on Bale himself. My respect for him has diminished. I don't know who his John Connor is, and although at one point I cared, for 25 years, no longer. I always thought Bale had such a keen detector for crap that he would have sniffed this anemic script out even after all its revisions. In a weird way it makes me love his Batman... less, not to mention the preceeding films to this franchise. So there. It is what it is I guess, but unlike Star Trek, which i felt deserved a second impression there is no need to peel a hollow onion because at the end of the day there is no getting use to boring.
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I see that scraggly haired, skirt wearing, ginger nonce is STILL struggling with his "BRITTISH" obsession.How many posts is that now?p>
One can only hope he fills his time more constructively by educating himself with this little gem I found in an online dictionary:
"NONCE:(context, UK, slang, pejorative) A sex offender, especially of children; a paedophile. "That bloke who lives at number 20 is a nonce!"
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Fuck T4, What a shit summer.
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There's worse to come in the shape of Bayformers 2.
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Since the sequence of events from T1-T3 have presumably led them to be in an alternate timeline. Couldn't Connor just send back any of his top troops to protect his mother if the moment came where Skynet developed the time travel technology again? Are we talking about a Marty McFly disappearing hand situation here? Now that I think about it, maybe the entire series was founded on a time travel paradox plot hole: an original-original timeline had to have taken place where nobody from either side went back, so how does John get conceived and grow up to lead the resistance to victory if his father doesn't get sent back to impregnate his mom until after the fact of the apocalypse? Technically this tryst should've never happened. The series really does try to have it both ways by juxtaposing alternate timelines with the McFly hand phenomenon where if the original Arnie had killed Sarah the present would magically alter before everyone's eyes and JC would evaporate into thin air.
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thank you very much, D.
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But mostly in the small niche field of Mormon porn so I don't know if I could have come up with something better.
Perhaps you've seen my work: Brigham Young/ Brigham Hung and Seven Brides for One Brother. -
"maybe the entire series was founded on a time travel paradox plot hole: an original-original timeline had to have taken place where nobody from either side went back, so how does John get conceived and grow up to lead the resistance to victory if his father doesn't get sent back to impregnate his mom until after the fact of the apocalypse? Technically this tryst should've never happened."
The way I see it, the timeline with Kyle Reese knocking up Sarah Connor IS the original timeline. It's already happened. It's a cycle of events.
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Just want to say thanks to Harry for the heads up and after I wasted my money and time I wish I had listened to him!!! Next time I will know better!!!
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And thank you, Harry.
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Harry likes every movie ever including twilight so go fuck yourself, you fucking shill !
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on them etc...I need to know wether or not to waste my time and money on this. Would appreciate some objective reviews/opinions from like minded fans.....
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May 22, 2009 4:46:24 AM CDT
SA Guy, if you loved the 1st 2, prepare for tears
by joker gordon levitt
this film tries to restart everything, instead of pay homage. OK for action only.
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I was actually bored. Not one scene besides obviously the Arnold scene evoked any emotion out of me. The whole "keep me warm" robot-human love angle was fuckin stupid. I don't know who would include that shit. MCG is a washup. I was thinking a few times during the movie, wow, can't wait for transformers and wow can't believe this fucker said his movie is going to blow transformers out of the water. Dude, your name is MCG. Your name sounds like a character that would star on The Hills that gives the entire female cast herpes. Once your name appeared on the screen, I stopped taking this movie seriously. AND WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THE TERMINATORS KILL KYLE REESE. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS DO THAT AND CONNOR WOULD HAVE BEEN ERASED BACK TO THE FUTURE STYLE. I rather watch Wolverine backwards being slowly mauled to death by a hamster then watch this shit again. Next week, is Drag Me To Hell and UP, two movies that are supposed to be amazing.
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Okay long time fan.. like Harry, my dad took me to see T2 in the theater when i was ten and i was hooked ever since. I love the first two and fucking dread the 3rd! This review fits perfect for that one. I had Zero hope or expectation for this one and.... I FUCKING LOVED IT!! Seriously. I dont know why but it was really fucking good and entertaining. Fuck Harry and his reviews. They are Bias pieces of shit. This is well worth the money and after T3 i think we can accept that there wont be another Cameron terminator so accept it and enjoy this for what it is. P.S. Theres a great throwback to T2 with a motorcycle scene with You Could Be Mine in this that is just awesome!
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I just saw the new Terminator movie at a local theater here in town. In regard to the blockbuster summer movies, I can safely say that it is the best of the lot, so far, however, it has its rough spots, several erratic rough spots, in fact--and as entertainingly frenetic as the movie is, it serves to remind one, just a bit too much...of the now classic film...The Road Warrior (Mad Max 2), in look, style, and action, at times.
In respect to another problem for the film, one that leaps out at viewers, T4 could have used a healthy injection of romance. Although the movie had its sparse moments of romance, those moments were not well defined...leaving the film audience emotionally distant from the film's main characters, and their inner personal stakes.
That said, Terminator: Salvation looks like 200 to 250 million dollars...and that is a good thing. Yes, all the money is on screen, and you get your ticket's worth, unlike the new Star Trek film, which is not very good, and looks low budget, by comparison.
The new Terminator has its thrills, and is well acted by leads Christian Bale and Sam Worthington. Adding to the intense fest, is the hyper direction by helmer McG, who delivers his greatest directing job to date. In terms of technical prowess, this film is on a high level throughout, save for multiple...and rather awkward...but short, scene transitions. Aside from that, however, it looked top notch, all the way; s high-octane, and technically impressive actioner, the film worked on all cylinders, save for some nagging, and obvious, omissions. The dramatic elements needed a healthy sense of fun, humor, amusement park rollercoaster evoking gasps, and of course, the strongly hinted at, but largely missing...romance, to counter its often overpowering, and dour, doomsday mood. But rest assured, Christian Bale fans, the new Terminator is strong enough to guarantee that this hit movie series will continue its successful run for years to come, or as Arnold once declared, "I'll be back!"-MM -
It's a McG movie for christsake...
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...John Connor will not exist, as Reese is his father (to be). Should he, Reese, die...prematurely, then the resistance movement will never score any big victories against Skynet. You will recall, under Connor's leadership, as we learned in past Terminator films, the resistance was on the verge of destroying Skynet, when the first time traveling Terminator was sent back in time, to target, and kill, Sarah Connor in order to prevent John Connor's birth, however, here is the mind bender--John Connor already, and secretly knows that Kyle Reese is to be his father, and thus, will later send him back in time...to protect his mother from the Terminator. Now you know why Kyle Reese is first on Skynet's hit list, and John Connor, number 2--but this also suggests that Skynet is now aware of its future invention of time travel...and the resulting paradox effect.Sure it's all one big paradox, and I figured-out a perfect way to explain it, and make sense out of it, but nobody is paying me, so...so much for that?
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Insane ranting and raving is what makes AICN what it is.
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Seriously, Harry. Were you having a bad day when you watched this?
I have to say I had a fantastic time tonight with Terminator Salvation. Some superb action sequences and the scene where a certain "someone" comes out of nowhere with that heavy-handed classic theme in the background made this film a worthwhile experience.
Sam Worthington gave a great performance as the centerpiece to the overall story and the film itself continued the arc of humanity vs. machines crossing the lines into morality. In Terminator 2, Cameron hammered down the father-son issues with Connor as Arnold plays the substitute father figure that young John never had growing up.
The same arc of human decision/fate themes were used in this tale with Marcus never truly escaping his fate but playing a difference with the decision process behind how he reached it. While I consider the very end to be a bit over-the-top, I have no problems saying that Terminator Salvation was worth every cent (and more) and it served as a good lead-in story to this new trilogy. Should be noted that ILM scored another homerun with that "cameo" as well.
It's not even the weekend yet (Translation: a lot of people haven't seen the movie yet) but I'll sum up the sole reason I liked the film. And yes, it has to do that with that "story" that some critics are saying isn't there.
I enjoyed how Marcus (Sam Worthington), the true main character of this film, had a choice before him from beginning to end. At the start, his fate was handed (sentenced) to him. He had no choice in the matter.
He received a second chance through the choice of machines (Ironically, who are looking to wipe out humanity) and given a choice on the matter, he still sealed his fate by deciding it on his terms.
For those who say there wasn't a story in Terminator Salvation (Harry), I call "foul". The direction may have been a bit off by McG’s action fetish but the overall story of morality, humanity and fate were all represented in this fourth installment as much so as they were in Terminator and Terminator 2. -
I just saw the new Terminator movie at a local theater here in town. In regard to the blockbuster summer movies, I can safely say that it is the best of the lot, so far, however, it has its rough spots, several erratic rough spots, in fact--and as entertainingly frenetic as the movie is, it serves to remind one, just a bit too much...of the now classic film...The Road Warrior (Mad Max 2), in look, style, and action, at times.
In respect to another problem for the film, one that leaps out at viewers, T4 could have used a healthy injection of romance. Although the movie had its sparse moments of romance, those moments were not well defined...leaving the film audience emotionally distant from the film's main characters, and their inner personal stakes.
That said, Terminator: Salvation looks like 200 to 250 million dollars...and that is a good thing. Yes, all the money is on screen, and you get your ticket's worth, unlike the new Star Trek film, which is not very good, and looks low budget, by comparison.
The new Terminator has its thrills, and is well acted by leads Christian Bale and Sam Worthington. Adding to the intense fest, is the hyper direction by helmer McG, who delivers his greatest directing job to date. In terms of technical prowess, this film is on a high level throughout, save for multiple...and rather awkward...but short, scene transitions. Aside from that, however, it looks top notch, all the way. As an high-octane, and technically impressive actioner, the film worked on all cylinders, save for some nagging, and obvious, omissions. The dramatic elements needed a healthy sense of fun, humor, amusement park rollercoaster evoking gasps, and of course, the strongly hinted at, but largely missing...romance, to counter its often overpowering, and dour, doomsday mood. But rest assured, Christian Bale fans, the new Terminator is strong enough to guarantee that this hit movie series will continue its successful run for years to come, or as Arnold once declared, "I'll be back!"-MM -
...determinism v. freewill, moral ambiguity, etc., but c'mon...this was a giant piece of shit.
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ARE U STILL THAT JELOUS THAT MY COCK IS SO BIG I WEAR A WATCH ON IT ?.YOUR MUM KEEPS ASKING ME THE TIME.NUDGE NUDGE,WINK WINK,OCH AYE THE NOO.SCOTLAND FOREVER,FUCK THE QUEEN.NO SUCH THING AS A SCOTTISH ACCENT
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YOU RMUM DRINKS FROM USED CONDOMS,AND YOUR DADS A TRANNY.CHRISTIAN BALE IS WELSH.
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I think he's got poisoned by one too many deep fried pizzas
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I think he's got poisoned by one too many deep fried pizzas
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Don't be rude about my Ma. I'd never say anything about your Ma, mainly because she was kind enough to give me a wank, despite the obvious disadvantages that come from having only one arm.Bless her. The poor old girl's a mess. The last time I saw something like her, Princess Leia was stranglin' the cunt.
"NONCE:(context, UK, slang, pejorative) A sex offender, especially of children; a paedophile. "That bloke who lives at number 20 is a nonce!"
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Give 2 scots 1 penny.
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it's actually an acronym from prison. Guards would write N.O.N.C.E on paedo and rapist's cell doors. It stands for Not On. Normal. Community. Exercise.
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when you read Harry's review and pay attention to the irrelevant Avatar reference, you see why he bashes the film. it's not this Avatar thing, which he is bewilderingly excited about. honestly, chaps, when Avatar arrives as a dull, slow pace 140+ minute PG13 waste of time, you are going to wish you weren't anti-every film that isn't it.
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Apparently the part of prison that houses the likes of the mental scotsman is called "The nonce wing":-).
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CHAWKY ARLA
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I don't get all the Avatar love. Nobody's seen anything about it. They're just jizzin' 'cause it's Cameron. But Cameron made Titanic. Possibly the worst movie ever made.
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MADE IN SCOTLAND FROM GIRDERS
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I'm 30 yrs old, not 5. YOu should go back to hunting the school grounds, you manky arsed dodgepot nonce.
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Made in Scotland by nonces.
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The use of bad language and subsequent quotes in talkback. No wonder Moriarty left. Does AICN have clout in Hollywood? Probably does, but not for much longer.
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Fucking loved it.
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Nice one! Good news AND good timing after the post above.
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John Connor doesn't start out as the great leader of the resistance, but he will be in the 2nd movie. The Sarah Connor chronicles was trying to show this before it was canned. No purple lasers (YET!), and we got to see the first 'skin job', as these resistance fighters have so far only fought metal robots. See, there's going to be a 3 movie arc here. Harry is upset because it didn't all happen in this movie? Fucking stupid. It's a trilogy. No doubt in the 3rd movie we'll see John Connor use skynet's time machine to send his dad back in time. Also, it's no accident or fuckup that skynet knows about Connor's father. Shynet obviously has information from the future. Future skynet sent a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Connor, but also sent a message back to baby skynet to watch out for John Connor and his dad. It's not even the same skynet that sent the first arnie bot, because this one happened later. It's an alternate timeline just like the Sarah Connor Chronicles or Star Trek. This skynet knows that another version of itself sent a terminator back in time to kill Sarah Connor and that somehow resulted in John Connor's birth via Kyle Reese. That's how this skynet knows about kyle. Anyway, this is deep shit and someone has thought it all the way through. We'll see it all unfold in the next two films.
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Awesomeness. I can't wait to see it. Don't give a rats a** what Harry thought. The guy is UNPROFESSIONAL.
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IM FROM GLASGOW,THE HARDEST CITY ON EARTH,ITMAKE SNEW YORK LOOK LIKE FUCKIN CANADA,SO SUCK MY WALLOPER .I COULD MAKE AND PHONE CALL AND YOUR BODY WOULD BE FLOATING IN THE CLYDE
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So what's going on around here fellas?
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I understand. You can't help it. I won't judge you. But I'm just not gay.
Glasgow? Hardest City on Earth? I grew up just down the road from your piss soaked town. When I was 19, I worked on the doors in Glasgow. I wasn't impressed one bit.
One phonecall & my "body would be floating in the Clyde"? I'm in Japan you nonce. You gonna pay import duty?
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Terminator talk mostly, interspersed with the odd bit of insane rambling. Pretty normal talkback really:-).
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I didn't go in with all this lowered expectaions/adherence to canon blah blah blah bullshit. I went to be entertained, and I was. It helped that I went in cold, never having seen a trailer or read any of the reviews beforehand. I haven't done that in a long time.
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Cool. The halls are empty in the other TB's. I dropped some gay references over in the Harry Potter TB, but it's really too early to be all hostile. hmmm...
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I've never seen this guy in anything else but the camera seems to like him.
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Normally I don't agree with your reviews but everything you pointed out here was exactly what I laid out in my own personal review on my blog. Maybe I went in with too many expectations, I don't know. But this movie was not a Terminator movie - and it was the worst performance I've ever seen Bale give. It left me not caring about John Connor in the least, and I can't imagine I'll want to see the sequel. I just want to know - why didn't John give any sign or recognition or hesitation when he saw the T-800?? I mean, this thing was a father to him for two films and there was... nothing.
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I'm tired of this shit. Folks, it's just an expensive PC with BSD on it. If you gotta hate on something, blame Microsoft.
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I bet he smells worse than the big gorilla.It's true that fat people have to contend with the "James Brown" on a very regular basis. There's just no way you can manage good personal hygiene with that kind of girth. Think about it. You can't reach your butt. It's hard to reach your nasty feet to get clean. Not to mention your poor gnarly ass feet are screaming out in pain every time your fat ass heads towards the kitchen from the WOW console to get a snack. Your back has so many folds you look like like JAWS from behind. And think about all of the little funk boogies that hide out in those folds and cracks while you sit there sweating gravy. All of this because of those few moments of bliss and comfort as a slice of cake goes down your gullet.
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I've got nothing against gays at all. They can do whatever they want. I even forgive them for "I will survive."
I was speaking to one specific guy above. He's been here for days ranting in capitals & boring the fuck out of everyone.
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me and my wives love your work
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Isn't that he sent his mrs to get it for him, but that he probably kept it to piss in. Why get out of bed when you've got your own slurpee cup?
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Do you shart often in your britches or do you have to wash shart that's not yours? Because I could see how easy it would be to not feel like leaning to the side enough to release adequate pressure and having a small accident when you're a little on the heavy side. Just askin'.
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TERMINATOR SALVATION: This is an unbelievably bad film. The blame for this has to lie squarely on "McG", the Director of this mess. The very first scene, about 5 minutes long, is a perfect snapshot of the rest of the film. It includes laughable melodrama and soap opera dialog.
The rest of the film is no different. The story and writing feel like the creation of a 7th grader. That said, there is a long scene that occurs at a bombed-out 7-11 in the middle of a desert outside of LA that is really an awesome display of FX. It is NOT worth $9 to see this scene, but man, it was cool.
Imagine a really poorly conceived story with out of nowhere left-field elements... but... the FX are world-class awesome. As a film geek, I have to watch it, but like a train wreck, ya just can't turn away. This franchise needs a complete do-over after T2. James Cameron's prodigal child has squandered his daddy's fortune and needs now to return home.
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My life is no better or worse for having seen this movie - I don't feel I wasted my $6.50 but thank god I did not buy the popcorn and coke for $9.75 or I would have been really pissed.
It was so so summer movie fair - good escapism but not in the same league as Star Trek. I would put it just below Wolverine and Angles & Demons on the "kept my interest" scale. I looked at my watch 3x during Terminator - not a good sign.
Agree with Harry and others on the board, I felt no connection with any of the characters. Maybe it is because when you know their fate or story arc its tough to get invested in what happens with them in this movie.
The fate of Sam's character was all too obvious as well. Once you knew he had the human heart someone was going to get it.
I would see another Terminator film but it better be ground breaking because this was an awfully expensive "set-up" film.
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I can't see the movie yet, so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it really is terrible. So feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, BUT..
To quote you: "It includes laughable melodrama and soap opera dialog." So did T3 & the revered T2 had even more.
"The rest of the film is no different. The story and writing feel like the creation of a 7th grader."
Like a story about machines taking over the world & sending robots back in time?
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this movies sucks, no you're wrong it's great, no you suck for thinking that way diatribes. I'm not even going to post something different on all the talbacks on T4. I'm going to write this, copy and paste once and be done with it. There are spoilers so be careful. I don't have time to read all the comments, so excuse me if I'm repetitive. First, I'm glad TSCC was cancelled right before this came out. I had hopes for the show. It's not a bad show, but I just can't get over them changing the canon of oh wait well now machines really can travel to the past, oh by the way we put our own cells in the fifties, and instead of having them find Sarah and save her they'll just sit around. Having said that T4 is visually a good film. We expected that from McG although there were moments when it did look like we were watching Transformers or The Matrix. This was a kick ass action film. But, is that enough for Terminator fans. I suggest no one spout off on this movie until they see it. The one point that really bugs me is this. If Marcus was programmed to infiltrate the resistance so he could kill Reese and Connor why didn't he just do it when he first met them both. He had the chance. He didn't have to lure them back to skynet. The only thing I can think of is maybe his programming could not go that far. To make him believe he is human, which he is I suppose, they couldn't have him side with the machines and kill them outright. Another thing that bugged me is the fact that all of a sudden the machines know Reese is the father of Connor. That means they know they will invent time travel. They didn't know Reese was the father before, so why do they know now. And, if they did, why didn't they kill him when they first captured him. Look fellow nerds is it a perfect movie, of course not. It is a good movie with a few sticking points. I don't see any of you going out there and making a movie.
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popped in The Terminator on DVD. There is that great scene where Kyle returns to resistance "hide-out". He is exhausted. The humans are, by and large, NOT soldiers. Old people, young people, all of them dirty and sickly and looking like hunted animals. We hear people weeping all around. Then the Terminator shows up and just lays waste to the to the place. The scene is bleak and horrible and drives home how desperate everything is in this future.
Terminator: Salvation never gets close to that. Most everyone is a soldier toting around full special forces gear. They have jets and hangars and submarines. Instead of feeling like humans are on the brink of extinction, we get what looks like the U.S. Army fighting transformers in the desert
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T2 contains some of the most embarrassing dialog in cinema history.
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I swear I thought the little mute girl was going to pull a Burger King and give Kyle/Marcus/John a Whopper. WTF was the meaning of her character? The Sarah Connor Chronicles was WAYYYY better than this shit piece of a film.
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i was reading this talkback up toward the beginning and i literally had to skip ahead to get out of the section where you bitched about THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BRITISH ACCENT.
then i get down to the bottom and there you are - talking about accents AGAIN!!
SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP.
SHUT UP. SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT SHUT UP!!!!!11
SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPP.
i mean. i am in shock. NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. so please
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So I'll see it this weekend.
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Why in the FUCK is a guy with a stomach band and confined to a wheelchair, STILL SWILLING FUCKING SLURPEE'S!!!! Harry...your a nice guy and all but Fuuuuck, do you have some kind of death wish man?
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Maybe he just wanted a cool souvenir. Just a thought. But, if he did drink it I agree with your message if not the tone.
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No worse than me having a heart attack a month ago & sitting here knocking back whiskey.
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Because, damn, the Sony product placement was very in-your-face. I didn't know the Sony Corporation survived Judgment Day, because Connor was using some pretty nifty, clean, Sony touchscreen gadgets and laptops, sporting an Apple-like glowing white 'SONY' logo. Also, the more time passes, the worse this movie gets. In hindsight, it's a forgettable generic action swashbuckler (Worthington does a great Douglas Fairbanks, leaping and swooping impression) with science fiction trappings, with some impressively shot action sequences.
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Is he getting a cut of the profits from the sequels? I don't remember the terms of his lawsuit but it seems since there would be no Terminator movies, tv show, dvd's, or toys without him, he is entitled to a share. Just wondering.
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In all this gawping over Cameron's original, some hideously schmaltzy dialogue scenes have been blindly accepted. Take, for example, the conversation between Hamilton and Biehn before their sex scene. Hamilton snuffles through such idiocy as "You mean there's never been any women" then, after Biehn assents, mewlingly responds "Pain. So much pain." Or how about Biehn's snigger-inducing speech about her picture "I memorized every line, every curve. I came back through time for you, Sarah Connor. I wuuuuuve yoooouuuu." Derisive laughter inspired by the maudlin prose that belongs in a bodice-ripper, Mr Cameron.
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You- you say one thing, he says another, and everybody changes back again!!!!
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Autodidact- I see what you're saying about the lack of lasers. I jive wit' dat. I'm down. It's 2018, right.
I want a Back to the Future II type story for the sequel! Let's go back to 1984 yeah! They should hire Crispin Glover to play the back of Reese's head. Yeah. Or someone who looks like Crispin Glover. Something like that. Yeah. -
Beats the shit out of me.
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T4 may lead the holiday weekend, but I don't think it'll be as big as some think it'll be. I know it's only a small snapshot view, but at my theater in NY there were no lines at all. The auditorium was fairly full, but no more than on a non-Summer blockbuster Saturday night level. It may be because it was a Thursday night, but Thursday night for Star Trek was packed.
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May 22, 2009 10:51:42 AM CDT
MAYBE SHE WAS THERE TO REMIND MARCUS OF HIS HUMANITY
by bringingsexyback
or to sell more movie tickets to black people. They are an enormous share of the box office, as evidenced by the baffling success of Tyler Fucking Perry.
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According to the beginning of T2. I've got a headache.
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A great weekend take, followd by a record breaking low second weekend draw. This film stinks like hot NYC Garbage in the Summer time.
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Maybe she's the one who buys the farm in Kyle's flashback/nightmare in the first film.
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Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles officially retconned Terminator 3 out of existence.
So now the question (since they fucking canceled the show) is how did John Connor go from being teleported to the future as a teenager to being the adult in this awful movie (which will be retconned itself, I'm sure). -
Was that Terry Motherfucking Crews as the corpse near the beginning there?
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Cause McG knows his Cameron movies.
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T4 is also up against the Night at the Museum sequel, that will peel away some teenagers but will dominate in drawing the family crowds, and a stable level for Star Trek which is riding on good audience buzz. I wouldn't be surprised if Night at the Museum 2 leads the weekend.
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When he was standin' toe ta toe wif fuckin' BATMAN!
Sam has kissed blokes before. In that 'Somersault' movie. He kissed Abbie Cornish then he goes and kisses a bloke! Fair dinkum! -
This ain't great, but your review is putting too much importance on a dumb action flick from the 80's.
http://drivein77.typepad.com/drivein77/2009/05/terminator-salvation.html
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That's what faith is fer chrissakes!
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BITCHES BE SUCKIN DICK
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I swear they have their own code, their own language. We must look on, curiously. And accept.
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Have some purple DRANK and cool down!
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And much better than T3.
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I like him! Well, me Mum does.
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Oh, we're not talking about "The Room" here?
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We need a voice of reason to resolve the (permanently?) damaged relationship between Harry and McG. I nominate a third ginger- Bryce Dallas Howard. She has a very soothing voice and sparkly eyes. Plus she seems very understanding.
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BUT FUCK IT WE MAY AS WELL SAY HES BRITTISH TOO.EVERYONES BRITTISH ON HERE,HARRYS BRITTISH,MCG,S BRITTISH.
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Oh come now. If you want people to join your club, you should think of a more modern, clever, touchy feely phrase.
"I'm a cocksucker, just like you." OR "Hey, cocksuckers, tired of sucking cock alone...? That kind of thing.
Simply saying "Cocksuckers unite", won't actually bring your fellow cocksuckers to you. They see much more sophisticated cocksucker advertising these days.
& what is this "BITCHES BE SUCKIN DICK" thing? You suddenly became the most badass ginger negro on earth?
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Nonce. -
and a quart of Jack Daniels.
G'night! -
I feel like the summer's already falling, the only movie I've bothered to see is Star Trek. I was hyped for this movie, but this and other reviews have made me back down. Oh well, at least I still have Transformers.
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Fuck it. I'm scotched.
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That's probably why the Bale had so many scenes alone or only with animatronics/CGI. Humans couldn't help from trying to smooch all over him. You can't shoot a movie under those conditions. Even that fake Arnold was trying to jump his bones.
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That animated gif of King Kong is the funniest one I have seen. Good job to your animator.
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I don't see what the big deal is. Sam Worthington totally owned this movie for me. McG direction and stylization is actually one the film's strong points. Their was a few cheesy lines but let's face it...BATMAN BEGINS has those too. It actually reminded me a lot of Batman Begins. It start off slow..but builds and builds and gets better as it goes and I think I will enjoy it better on repeat viewings. Don't understand the Bale compliants either, he's good as always.
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But then again, the only Terminator flick I really love is the first one. T2 - had good effects, but was hampered by sentimental BS and annoying chatacters. T3 was a cheap cash in. I though this was decent enogh, but not great!
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Ok here's the complaints plot holes that everyones saying you messed up with this film, but guess what all them have simple fixes, and you might need to speak about them on the DVD commentary
Why and how did Skynet know about Kyle Reese.
Skynet doesn't know that Kyle Reese is John's father, period end of story. They didn't know this in part 1, 2, or 3.
So firstly how do they know who Reese is, and why do they want to kill him.
Well they could know that He's the one John sent into the past to stop the Terminator. They could know this because he was arrested, and Sarah gave up his name and they probably took mug shots which were uploaded to a criminal database/fbi wanted list, and they also had the video interview.
Granted Arnie came in and fucked that place up, but hey it they had security camera snap shots of Arnie in T2 from that police station. So there you go.
Kyle tells Sarah that he was placed in a Disposal camp and Branded with that Tattoo we see in Terminator 1. Well obviously this had to have happened before Salvation. Salvation was a Harvester camp.
So how do you explain them not recognizing Kyle when they captured and placed him into a Disposal camp when that happened before the Salvation events. Simple- he was much younger then, and his facial pattern did not match the 15 point facial recognition pattern they had of him on file.
So Skynet knows about Reese, and him going back in time to stop the Terminator, but not about him being the Daddy. Got it! Good... Now don't you ever let Skynet know that Reese is the father. Never, ever ever !!!
Ok so now the magical Jeep that was easy to fix. The battery and gas and oil shouldn't still work right....
Well who's to say that the damn jeep wasn't a Reclaimed/Fixed Resistance Vehicle that was left behind a few months back during a battle, and the gas inside was gas the Resistance made and the battery and oil still worked, because it something they made as well. There's the solution to that problem.
Hope you read this, cause if skynet ever finds out that Reese is the daddy, then there will be big continuallity issue. -
But then again, the only Terminator flick I really love is the first one. T2 - had good effects, but was hampered by sentimental BS and annoying chatacters. T3 was a cheap cash in. I though this was decent enogh, but not great!
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Go fuck yourselves, this move was amazing. it was exciting, well written, well put together, competently directed (i know, weird) and well acted.
Fuck you, this movie kicked Star Trek's ass. Terminator is now officially the most artistically successful sci fi series ever. if your head werent so fat, you could get it out of your ass -
"Well they could know that He's the one John sent into the past to stop the Terminator. They could know this because he was arrested, and Sarah gave up his name and they probably took mug shots which were uploaded to a criminal database/fbi wanted list, and they also had the video interview." i took that as a given. the future is different than the first time around
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Saw this last night with my brother and have to say that I don't know how it could have been better. IN the past you watched The Terminator to see stuff shot and explosions and the Terminator out to kill. This film does all of those things and more! I really enjoyed the film simply for the fact that my inner kid was simply loving all of the destruction.
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I think people must be confused. You see, Terminator is the one that can be allowed to be big, loud and dumb. NOT Star Trek. The young Arny-CGI thing was very cool. I'll admit, the ending was a "C'mon!"-moment. Overall, it was a lot better than Trek and Wolverine.
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That animation of Harry getting felt up by King Kong is disgusting. Harry as Fay Wray? More like Fat Ass Wray.
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cars can sit for years with no ill effects, at least at first. Let's just assume it was one of those rare moments when all the conditions were right. The tank was full, the battery and fluids had a slow leakage rate, etc. Let's further assume the car was there for only a maximum of three years. Plot hole filled in.
Yes, I would also like to know why Skynet wanted Reese, too. (Maybe a flashback next movie?)But, why does the Disposal camp have to be before the Harvest camp? -
Anyone know?
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Anyone know?
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I think what is turning people off to this film is that they expect the same amount of humor in their summer blockbusters as action and drama like Star Trek...this film has a few of those moments that come later in the film, but not much, it's not that kind of film. I also think people have grown accustomed to leads in summer blockbusters to be overly charismatic...ones who spit catch phrases every line. Christian Bale has never been that guy. Sam Worthington is not that guy in this movie.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD MCG'S MOVIE DOESN'T STACK UP TO TERMINATOR OR TERMINATOR 2 HOLY SHIT I JUST MIGHT HAVE TO CRY INTO MY PILLOW AND HAVE A HEART ATTACK FROM THE SHOCK AND THEN CRY SOME MORE WHILE LOVINGLY INSERTING A SIDESHOW T-800 INTO MY ANUS
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And CGI Arnie was the fucking icing on the cake! FTW!
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Its "couldn't give a shit" you illiterate imbecile!
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There's nothing wrong with the car working still.... this is a new judgement day, in fact we don't even know when judgement day happened in T4. It obviously happened *after* 2003, but before 2018. So what if it happened in 2010? A car can't have usable gas/oil/battery 8 years later?
Also how do we know that the car wasn't recently abandoned. There were plenty of people resistance and non resistance around, and obviously they still knew how to drive.
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Cute.
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Is there a bleach-blonde Nick Stahl wandering around somewhere? A grown up Edward Furlong freeing restaurant lobsters? What about his red-headed friend? With the Beavis and Butthead mullet? I liked him.
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He doesn't sound like a Welshman. Let's face it, if you're not gobbing out buckets of saliva every time you speak, then you're not truly Welsh are you?
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you've lost all credibility you once had. You're the kid from Almost Famous who has let himself get too close to the subjects he's writing about. This movie was fantastic summer fun. I loved it. Better than Star Trek, better than T3. You've let your personal feelings about McG get in the way. Don't act like you weren't mad about McSpaced, cause we all were. But I think Simon Pegg, Edgar Wright, and Jessica Stevenson would admit they enjoyed T4. So get over it already. This movie was a shitload of fun, and all your petty complaints just show you're biased.
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Harry said he woke up to confused, angry, betrayed, embarrassed txt msgs on his phone from McG regarding his Terminator review.
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May 22, 2009 2:44:41 PM CDT
What is the big deal about calling it a British accent?
by continentalop
I mean, I am sure overseas they don't call them NY, Southern, Texas or even Canadian accents, I am sure they just call them American accents. Hell, I bet you a lot of reviews in England probably didn't say that the characters in Fargo were speaking in a Minnesotan accent but probably called it an American accent.
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Does a Austrian get upset if you say he speaks with a German accent? Probably fucking not.
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It was released a day early to get a head start on Holiday weekend box office. As for the reviews, I've posted elsewhere that the negative reactions (Harry's among them) have been disproportionately harsh for what the movie is. It's not the absolute and disrespectful bottom of genre offerings but it is also a second sequel that doesn't involve the original creators...I think anyone that follows movies can be optimistic and still demonstrate a little more perspective on what to expect. It's legit to be disappointed, angry even, but I think most of the anger I've seen has been pretty misguided. CHUD's review was actually more insightful than most I've seen and I don't read the stuff there all the time.
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Sorry, just responding to the fat people comments waaaaaayyy up the thread...
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Now that you've started, just don't let Harry talk you into believing that spanking you on the ass and clearing your airways with his genitals is common practice for initiating newborn talkbackers. It's happened too many times, my friend, too many times.
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behind the gymnasium and get it pregnant.
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He's just testing our faith in Bale. Do not be deceived. Stand firm, professionals.
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I feel the anointing of the spirit of Bale coming upon us, for a time such as this."The kingdom of Baledom suffers violence, and the violent take it by force." -book of Bale 11:12.The release of this film will be the fulfilment of prophecy:"And it came to pass that on the 5th month and the 21st day, about midnight in the evening, all the brothers were gathered in rooms. And the spirit of Bale descended upon them as a mighty rushing wind, and there sat upon them tongues of professionalism, as of fire.And they all spoke in tongues, praising Bale: "shakkatta heyra whatdafukisit wid u? Sheotta hessa uwantmetahtrashurlight? Kiro sey hatta gottasomethintosaytodisprik? sobrra rashada fukinass!"And all amateurs were destroyed or repented and stood in silence.Balelelujah!
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The line must be drawn HERE!
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I honestly have no fucking idea what to expect from this movie. But I hear John Conner speaks with a British Accent in it.
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May 22, 2009 3:54:05 PM CDT
BROTHER BLEST, YOUR FAITH IS LIKE A GLIMMERING BEACON
by bringingsexyback
Not too bright as to be distracting, but enough to enlighten and inspire. Salaam Baleikum!
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"SO I DIDN'T GIVE HIS FILM A GLOWING COCKSUCK OF A REVIEW LIKE I DID JJ'S PIECE OF ANAL FUNGUS. MAYBE NEXT TIME, IF HE RUBS MY BELLY IN A CIRCULAR MOTION LIKE A BUDDHA TUMMY, I'LL PRAISE HIS POS AS WELL."
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What sucks is I still haven't seen the movie. Going with the wife and bro/sis in law tomorrow morning and the wait is killing me. LOL!Fan reaction seems good. 2 out of 3 here and on SHH and IMDB boards say it's awesome and the critics are on crack.Which is a funny reversal, because 2 out of 3 critics hate it.Travers from the rolling stone said that "it's a mixed bag, but definately not f--- amateur!" All praise to Bale, there is a brother in the media!
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I have read all of your reviews since 04 and got hooked into this site deeply. I have learned a lot, it was hard defending Cloverfield during the ARG and you were the only one that was with me on saying it was going to be the shit. After I read your review of this movie I was rather put off, it was a tasteless review, it was full of anger and spur of the moment statements. I do think your opinion differs from my own as do all of ours. I think you could have written a way better review of this flick. This movie was a love letter to the first two movies, which by the way had major cheese factors back then and today. The Hasta Lavista Baby Arnold was the end of Arnold and he would never "Be Back". That being said those two flicks are a token of my youth and I have spent many years enjoying and quoting and referencing them. I went out with my friend from high school who shares my love for The usi nine Millimeter, we got our clothes and our boots and our motorcycles, and headed to the 7:10. I was pretty excited until I read your review, which bummed me out, how could this movie be worse than T3? How could you love so many movies that are okay and hate this flick. I fought my judgements and went to the theater keeping an open mind. Thank god I did. The flick was filled with subtle reference and complete vision. I would have rather seen a future as Kyle Reese had described in the first one as being only about survival. I think Mcg tried to bring the human quality out too much. If we were rats hiding, there would be no love stories, there would be only survival. This feeling was missing from the flick. I also felt that Christian Bale thinks he has better things to do, he was not a highlight at all. The long action sequences filled with all kinds of Terminator reference's, GNFNR's you could be mine blaring, the OG of the franchise in his 12984 glory. Shit was hugely entertaining to a 30 something dude who loves comics and movies and still has a life! I thought it was awesome, and I hope this team has another one in them. I was so not disapointed and got what I had expected which was a balls out future story. Other small problems were how easy it was to infiltrate Skynet and general lack of mythology, but I have to say this movie rocked. All I can think Harry is something personal happened to make you dis this decent movie hard, I hope it was just for you to be so pissed. I do not feel like my youth was raped by this flick like a certain other Sci-fi icon douche.....Mr. Lucas please sell the rights. The machines were very machine like and the movie was badass...could i have been better.....it always can.
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I just got back from a 1:55 showing and....There are a great many things wrong with “Terminator Salvation.” The major and most important thing that is wrong with this picture is; that you absolutely DO NOT care about what happens to anyone here. The actors have nothing in terms of good writing or seemingly even good bios of their characters to pull from. There is absolutely NO character development and ALL of the actors along with their dialogue and delivery of their dialogue was no better than an independent high school film. The dialogue is also over used and predictable. If you’ve seen a movie in the last ten years then you have heard every word spoken in this movie. And I’m talking about all of the cheesy one liners and catch phrases talking about heart and the “human spirit.” You feel as if George Lucas stepped in at one point and said “here, let me try.” Not good at all.
And here’s something that I have not read one review touch on (or maybe they have?). The second biggest problem is the same thing that seems to penetrate Hollywood like an infectious incurable disease. I’m talking about continuity in your own fictional universe. When you write and tell a story it is very important to establish physical laws and apply them to EVERYTHING your universe. For instance… if you have a character that can easily jump 20 feet high, DO NOT show him struggling to jump over a five foot wall when you are trying to build an action sequence that requires him/her to jump this five foot distance to save someone at the last minute just for climactic effect. Why would you compromise your world and character like this? It’s simple….don’t. You just don’t put them in that situation. T4 was chock full of this type of continuity killers. McG broke all of his own established rules here and did so mostly throughout the movie. This is called lazyness. Not believing in your own material and just trying to squeeze something out in a hurried amount of time, which is how this whole movie felt. Sad.
I had no great hopes going into this and I was not a huge fan of the original when it came although I liked it in passing. Even Cameron broke a lot of his own rules. Why would a Terminator waist time in a fucking fist fight? How many punches can a human take from a metal arm with hydraulics and an 800 pound swinging frame behind it? It’s simple. You write around it in your universe if this is how you choose you adversary to be. Sorry but I’m not buying it.
I really don’t think that the cinematography or action was anything ground breaking either. We’ve seen most of this before and mainly it looked as though it was ripped from Michael Bay. I wasted my time today seeing this movie, and it’s true that if you’ve all of the trailers and clips from the movie here on the internet then you’ve see all that McG has to offer with this one. Too bad. Although he did direct Charlies Angels and his name is McG. Whatever.
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you're heading towards 40, Harold. Don't be a boy anymore. Don't be a fanguy. Anyone can be a fanguy. Be a man.
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It's really dumb to have the T-800 pick up Connor and toss him a few feet like he's a bouncer or something. The T-800 would smash its fist right through your chest, which was established in the very first scene of the entire series.
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May 22, 2009 4:39:05 PM CDT
Mark (or mock) my words. There will be a new drinking game based
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...every time Christian Bale says "John Connor"... as in "I'm John Connor" or "This is John Connor".
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Yup, John Connor.
Really, John Connor?
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Yep. That's one of my points. And why why why would a "lethal" refined killing machine waist time boxing John Connor?!!! What the holy fuck?!! This has been the case in all of the movies and it's just fucking dumb. There are ways around this undoing.
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Thursday is the new Friday. Didn't you get the memo?
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with a light Brittish accent. Anyone care to, *ahem*, elaborate? I can't help myself. Really.
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1. Positive review = OMFG I SPRAYED MY JUICE ALL OVER THE SCREEN 2. Negative review = MICHAEL BAY RAPED MY CHILDHOOD I COMMAND MY GEEK MINIONS TO DECAPITATE HIM (McG in this case) With that said, Terminator: Salvation is a heap of crap. Best things about it is Sam Worthington, the guy is has a screen presence not seen since Russel Crowe in Gladiator mode. I cannot wait to see him in Avatar. Worst things about it are the direction (feels like McG didn't direct his actors at all), the music and the relentless self referencing that just takes you completely out of the damn movie.
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I trust you, Harry... and I am very sorry to hear it was so awful.. $60 for ticket, popcorn and coke for three... I'll keep the $60 and hope that the story is not entirely dead. Thanks :)
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I saw it yesterday, and then afteward slipped into Angels & Demons. I preferred the latter to the former. What went wrong?
Let me sum it up for you quickly... The writing. The writing was so weak and uneven that it infected every other aspect of the film. On the one hand, I am astonished that McG was even able to make a film out of it in the editing room in the first place. On the other, I place the blame squarely on him for ever letting such a cobbled together script go into production. The characterization is practically non-existent, except that of Kyle Reese (as Harry noted). One could blame Christian Bale for his one-note performance of John Connor, but the core of the problem is Connor's written action and dialogue. He has zero charisma. He has traces of his youthful rebelliousness when it comes to authority, but that's about it. Connor needs to have the charisma of General Patton in a way. The cowboy aesthetic. But it's not there. You end up asking yourself, 'Would I follow Bale's Connor into battle?' Absolutely not. And then you have Sam Worthington, who did nothing with Marcus Wright. Either he's out of place in the role, or the writing never allowed him to create anything worthwhile. I think it's a bit of both, really.
And so the writing affects the performances, which affect every other aspect of the film: the direction, the editing, the special FX. None of it much matters because the screenplay had major problems. Too many chefs in the kitchen, as it were. What could Jonathan Nolan have done to salvage it while writing ON SET? He should have rewritten the whole thing from scratch. Then... then the filmmakers might have had something.
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for Bale often moves in mysterious ways, testing the faithful and confusing the nonbeliver.People often ask me..."How can you stand to listen to Bales Bat voice, it is the worst part of the movie?" And I always give them the same reply..."Know ye why the dog barks; or why the tramp gets stamped, or why ill will befalls good people? Question not Bale, for the amateur will never understand his plan for us, and only the true fucking Professional will know salvation and have his questions answered when we stand on stage before Him and he asks, 'So are you a fucking professional or are we fucking through professionally?'".That usually puts the fear of Bale in the fucking amateurs and they know there is an ass kicking waiting should they not shut the fuck up and stop walking through my sight lines.Bale be Praised!
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CNN is reporting that a terminally ill Ohio man has found 'salvation through termination' at the hands of actor Christian Bale.
The handsome film star fulfilled Eugene Stempleton's final wishes by snapping his neck in four places while yelling obscenities into his ear.
Stempleton's next of kin are said to have asked Bale for autographs as he left the scene prompting Bale to fly into a rage and maim two of Stempletons cousins. A police lieutenant cleared up any confusion about arrest with the explanation; "What i'm saying is that when Bale does it, it's not illegal."
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Sounds like he really did offer his shit covered dick for harry to suck. Must've been way drunk. I'm telling you McG, you've got to stop partying with Sugar Ray, its the year 2009 for fuck's sake, and stop letting your 2nd unit director do all the good stuff.
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Terminator Salvation is tracking to do in box office over the 5 day memorial day weekend what fast and furious did in 3 days. Good luck, McG. I'm no fan but Zack Snyder would do well with this stuff.
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THE FEMALE CHARACTERS. Sarah Connor is the true hero of the Terminator series, a three dimensional true heroine. Not a hot chick with guns, as Hollywood has recycled endlessly in Cameron's wake. A believable flawed woman who through willpower has made herself a warrior. TMcG had NOTHING to offer females in its marketing, and the really tragic and unfair Bale recording hurt its prospects there, too. But the thing is, they gave no reason at all for women to see this film. If you can make an action film women want to see, too, you will make bank. But if its craven and obvious and a pathetic attempt to get them in the theaters, you'll fail.
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beacuse he kissed Harry's ass. Wow.
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Shouldn't that work better, as far as business sense goes? And damn these TPS reports.
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PROFESSIONAL. Now everybody's looking at me. Thanks for the laugh.
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about how betrayed you feel about the absolutely MEDIOCRE job he did with the legacy of these movies.
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What if someone rapes your childhood but you like it?
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I'm going with amateur.
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May 22, 2009 6:05:23 PM CDT
If you enjoy action films, you'll love Terminator 4!
by seth_rogans_hairy_breasts
If you like a classic balls-out action film, then Terminator Salvation is just fucking awesome!
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Was that sarcasm? "Wow, McG actually expected a good review because he kissed Harry's ass. Wow."
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Fucking amateur. Was there ever any doubt? The 'man' (using the term as loosely as possible) may be the very epitome of amateur. And I think it was very professional of the Bale to work with him and try to, y'know, elevate him to Professional status.
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Were all tough, professional, intelligent women who were not-over-the-top or comic bookish in any way, They were all female heroines you could actually believe could exist. In no particular order:
Sigourney Weaver/Ripley from Alien & Aliens (sorry, but she was a caricature by parts 3 & 4.
Sarah Connors/Linda Hamilton from T1 & T2 (yes, T2).
Jodie Foster/Agent Starling in Silence of the Lambs.
Pam Greer/Jackie Brown in Jackie Brown.
J-Lo/Karen Sisko in Out of Sight (perhaps the only great performance she has ever given).
Frances McDormand/Marge Gunderson in Fargo (yes, the movie was a comedy and she herself was never treated as a joke - she was a pregnant police chief who was smarter and more on the ball than anyone else in that film).
Anyone I am missing?
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She-Ra?
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Conti, I like Pussy Galore.
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Schwarzenegger at a surprise premier...and slathered praise and swag all around the joint...would this have gotten a better review?
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mmmmmmmm
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What about Carter's Wonder Woman, or Wagner's (?) Bionic Woman? Surely they count.
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Hardest bod and best pubic mound in the business at that time...I unloaded many times to seeing her in those cotton panties....uh, yeah..she was a tough, realistic Hero type chick as well.
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Nancy/Heather Langenkamp in "A Nightmare on Elm Street." She took on Freddy Kruger more than once.
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FUCKING TERRIBLE writing. The acting suffered in some parts because of said writing. That being said, the action and the look of the film pass. Hire better writers next time.
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Conspiracy, yeah know what you mean. Did the same over Aunt Beru. I could've fathered the whole of China if those torpedoes had been on target.
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I must've missed that review. I'll have to go back and check. For crying out loud, Harry, in another talkback I actually defended you and said that anyone disagreeing with you shouldn't take things to a personal level. They should keep it all above board and stick to the facts.But if you liked TWILIGHT, I'm calling for a quick timeout on that statement! Forget about you crying at ARMAGEDDON... forget about you liking GODZILLA... if you actually liked such utter pandering and hack teen angst bullshit like TWILIGHT, then everyone is right: you have lost all credibility!If there's anyone here who actually liked TWILIGHT, you need to take a moment to drop your pants, cup your hand, and double-check to make sure your balls are still there. NO REAL MAN COULD EVER LIKE THAT SHIT! And if you did, turn in your Male membership card right now! Because you're out of the club immediately!!!
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May 22, 2009 6:45:53 PM CDT
The writing of T4, is much like Transformers.
by seth_rogans_hairy_breasts
But as an action film, it's a fucking great film.
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the next thought on terminator should be the star trek reboot route.. time travel..
time travel BACK to before who ever shat the script out did.. and cut their throats on the potty..
yep.
you see how i did that.. you thought it was going to be brutal.. then i used 'potty' and it completely ruined what i was going to say..
exactly what happened with salvation..
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and I love that movie. Critics aren't always right. And the fans rated that one at 78%, a hit.Even more recently, Taken got a 57% which is considered a "splat."And that flick was awesome.
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May 22, 2009 6:57:43 PM CDT
Terminator Salvation is pure adrenaline rush!
by seth_rogans_hairy_breasts
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They ain't "realistic". Now, I've got nothing against super-human or over the top heroes, but with so few really good female heroines, I think you have to say any heroine that you could actually see existing (even if she dwells in a fantasy or sci-fi world) deserves special attention.
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Im boycotting hollywood. A 3rd grader armed with the same 200 million budget could make a better films. Movies aren't movies anymore.
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Cameron's heyday. They didn't get it. They thought if you take a hot chick and put wired martial arts on her, that because she was festihistically sexy = success. You know what b.s. I'm talking about. But the Cameron macha heroine, a believable woman who is put through necessity into displaying survival skills, is a whole other beast cause girlriends dragged to the terminator flicks would come out telling their girlfriends how awesome they were cause sarah connor was someone they could relate to (part one, she's just an average woman, part two, she's like a woman having the biggest period ever). I don't think many people fapped to Linda Hamilton in T2, instead they truly utterly believed she was a strong woman. I'd also add as far as decent female action heroines go Trinity from the Matrix films, yeah she's a girlfriend but she has moments of her own that every girl I know made respect her. And what do they do with Carrie Ann Moss next? Cast her as fucking Shia LaBeouf's mom. Fuck that shit.
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A truly believable, non model-ish, smart and capable WOMAN. Not some over the top fantasy, or someone just riduclously unattainable like Angelina Jolie. Every single one of his films, the Abyss has Lindsey, Terminator has Sarah Connor, True Lies has Jamie what's her face kicking the shit out of the hot model chick (the real subversive act in True Lies is not misogyny, it's that the femmes want to play james bond just as much as the men given the chance), even strange days has Angela Bassett showing Ralph Fiennes what's what. Titanic is a movie for 13 year old girls for fuck's sake. I'm just saying, for a dude who's been divorced a lot, James Cameron sure is in touch with his vagina.
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Spoiler>>>> Why is skynet after John and Kyle specifically? It doesn't yet know what importance they play in the future war. They're both nobodies and yet it does all it can to take them out? Bullshit. McG must have hurt his little brain thinking hard about timetravel and just gave up.
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His Baleness really delivers in the scene where he's on top of Emily Watson humping away like a majestic God-lion. Watson has a sublime smile on her face. She knows shes about to receive the holy seed.
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don't get all the hate here. Jeez I feel like Butters when everyone else was crying or puking in front of the theater after seeing Indy's last adventure. I would see it again in a heart beat. I liked John's "I'll be back" line to Kate. You could see he meant it as an inside joke which made it funny.
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Saw it last night and was ok with it. The more I think about it the more I think I enjoyed TS more than the summer fluff that was ST. Yeah both are popcorn flicks, but Trek was just a bit more fluffy.
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One scene at the begining of the movie and he's a corpse. Sitting up against a rock dead, not one line. Anyone of us could have played that part. Was his Part bigger then cut? That was just weird.
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If they are continuing from T3 maybe the Terminatrix while turning Skynet on(right? been too long so not sure about the accuracy of that statement)also told it about John Connor?
Oh and YOU'RE ASKING FOR TIME TRAVEL LOGIC IN A TERMINATOR MOVIE! DON'T BLAST THIS MOVIE FOR THE PROBLEMS INHERENT IN THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE WITHOUT BLASTING THE OTHERS! -
didn't care about the characters, plot was laughably bad, FX were good, terminator sound FX were great
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This is now officially the last time I ignore the reviews on a movie.
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I agree with you 100%. I liked this movie a lot. Didn't have the huge plot holes Star Trek did, and except for one bad edit, I thought the movie flowed nicely. I'm not sure what Harry's trip is. But I'm starting to think he's a tool, and his reviews should be ignored.
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rosario Dawson in MEN IN BLACK 2??
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Meryl Streep in The River Wild.
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He writes a negative review, people bitch about how he is bitter about not being bribed. He writes a positive review and he’s bribed. He chooses not to review and he’s attacked. Fuck me, it’s ridiculous.
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Stop flirting with idea of showing a full-on future war film between Man and Machine and just do it already!
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HEY! T3 was horrible.... all I need is Salvation to be better than T3 and I will be satisfied! "EPIC"...lol.... your expectations are way high Harry. Unless Cameron is helming forget it!
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Like many of you here, I am baffled at the hate. It's Terminator through and through. Why does everyone seem to think the first 2 movies were Kubrickian masterpieces? They were action sci-fi, good action sci-fi. This hit all the Terminatorish notes (battle in a factory, motorcycles, clothes-borrowing) and as for the color palette, this is post-Judgment Day. Disneyland is closed.
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HE has no credibility, but god damn if he wasn't spot on with this review. I saw this at the 1 o'clock show in King Of Prussia, Pennsylvania, and the theater was empty. It was basically empty. NOBODY was there. And I couldn't believe it! I was like "what the fuck?" And those who were there couldn't have been impressed by what they saw. Fuck Harry, see the movie yourselves. You'll come back to this review agreeing with everything he said. Thank god I saw the movie first and read his review 10 or so minutes ago. And for once, EVERYTHING he said in his review was well worth it. We all dreamed of the future war back in the day, and this is what they served up. This is how it looked. Well, Harry, as I'm sure others have said before me: the fuck were you expecting with Mcg directing the movie? What the fuck were you expecting?
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May 22, 2009 9:35:16 PM CDT
just saw and I'm shocked to say that I wholeheartedly agree with
by juice willis
The action scenes just don't mean shit to me, when I'm constantly reeling from the horrible lines ("commence bombing of skynet"), cheesy sets (submarine HQ and cornball generals wearing berets) and Common's perfectly manicured beard (nice to see people got time for such shit when machines are annihilating what's left of humanity). For those that are entertained by such shite, it is beyond my ability to relate. McG, any editor who had a hand in this, and any producer/studio exec who that decided that their involvement was the best course of action...you are men of lesser taste and even lesser intelligence. If there were any justice I'd be given the opportunity to beat my $10 out of your flaccid hides.
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Just watched the shit... what can I say? The action scenes and special effects were GREAT. The machines as well. But there is virtually no story (Kyle wants to meet John Connor, Kyle is kidnapped along the way, John Connor rescues him, End Credits.) The dialogues are ATROCIOUS. With the exception of Worthington and the kid playing Reese, the casting almost made me puke (Bale first! I can't believe it myself!). We're talking here about acting and story, the level of the SHITFORMERS. It was that bad. A 4 out of 10. Harry nailed it all right for once. This is a decent action film, but a terrible Terminator movie.
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that place stinks, no wonder you didn't have any fun.
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bale and anton were good. i just didnt feel any suspense AT ALL. motivations were questionable and the editing was horrendous. PRE-RAPE scene. wtf??? i thought i was watching PLANET TERROR with that edit! the arnold cameo wasnt that great. it kinda looked like him, but just a little off. if theyre moving forward with this trilogy, they better up their game. McG will not be back.
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bale and anton were good. i just didnt feel any suspense AT ALL. motivations were questionable and the editing was horrendous. PRE-RAPE scene. wtf??? i thought i was watching PLANET TERROR with that edit! the arnold cameo wasnt that great. it kinda looked like him, but just a little off. if theyre moving forward with this trilogy, they better up their game. McG will not be back.
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Haven't seen the film yet but its already plainly evident that this storyline strays from Cameron's original vision. I remember Reese mentioning that he and Connor were in death camps together and started the resistance from there. I'm guessing this is not in the film. I'm a fan of the older films and would like to see the promise of those talked about moments come to fruition, like Harry mentioned. I'll see it eventually but I loved Harry's review, especially the end.
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what about Alabama from TRUE ROMANCE?
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Unfortunately, McGinty will be back if T4 makes $200 million domestically. Hopefully, that will not happen.
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No, McG is fired. Sam Worthington was the only bright spot in this movie. It was not as bad as Harry says, but it was not good either. I hated young Kyle Reese in this movie and the lack of character development for Conner was criminal. As for Kate Conner, I don't think her name was even mentioned. At the end of the film when Conner was dying, I was terrified that the original ending of him being made into a terminator was going to come true. Thank god they removed that. CGI Arnold looked aweful, but still made me smile.
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with all the negative reviews, the studios arent gonna gamble twice that the masses will be dumb enough to fall for this again. granted, it will get a big opening, the drop off due to word of mouth. when i left the theater, no one was cheering or saying WOW or such, they just shuffled out and went to their cars. i cant remember the last time that happened in the summer film season.
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this is NOT what i and most people imagined the Future War to be. Silly bullshit, the whole movie. No tension or plot. No heart or soul. Im numb and mad i even witnessed it. (pissed like Spiderman 3 pissed)
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that a theatre is nearly empty at 1PM on a weekday? - a getaway day for most of the country at that. Rip the movie if you want but having room next to you when most adults are working or traveling indicates nothing and using it to prop up some misguided bile is too lazy. Try harder.
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When I graduated from college (1980's) I weighed in at 150 lbs. After age 40, I started packing on the pounds, and ended up at 240. Not grotesque, but not a pretty picture either. What put me on a diet was realizing that it was getting tough to wash my ass properly in the shower. Fat stink (my ex called it "fat people poopy smell") was just a few cheeseburgers away, and that thought was so repulsive to me that I went on Weight Watchers and lost 50 lbs. Keep it clean down there, boys, the chicks seem to appreciate it. Dark Knight Out. PS: T:S was good.
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Star Trek was PACKED,v and I saw it at the same goddamn fucking time, at the same goddamn fucking theater, in imax, no less. Now don't tell me about 1 PM and 1 o'clock shows. Fuck outta here with that shit. Half those people you talked about were THERE for that show. That theater barely had 15 people total.
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His acting was so fucking poor in Terminator Salvation, it's unbelievable!
T4 is a pure action sci-fi film. Granted its not T1 or T2, but it's a good start without Arnie. This fucker was so much better, han Abrams fucking shit fest Star Trek. -
thats the whole reason they released it on a thursday...to get all those people for the holiday. it could go either way.. i do no that NIGHT at the MUSEUM was bringing them in the morning today.
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Never saw MIB2 so I can't say if Rosario Dawson is a good choice or not. Alabama, hmmm, protagonist yes, anti-hero I would say so, truly great female heroine? I am thinking it over.
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It's made 13 mil first day, compared with 7 mil for Star Trek!
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Though she is a girl and not a woman, Coraline was one of the stronger female role models on film in some time.
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Now this is my criteria, and you guys can disagree or piss on it all you want, but I think a great hero has to dwell somewhat in the real world. Yes, there are heroes I admire and love to read about that are not realistic, but for me to truly respect them I think they have to be realistic enough that I could imagine they could exist. They have to be someone I can actually see as an example of heroism/bravery that I could actually see inspiring me.
Hence, I think Mel Gibson is a great hero (or anti-hero) in Mad Max and the Road Warrior, displaying strength, courage and stamina and I can try to emulate him (but probably fail), despite the fact that the setting of his films are completely ridiculous. Neo, however, from Matrix, is not a great hero because he just takes a red pill and suddenly finds out everything is a computer program, that he can now ignore the laws of physics, can download every martial arts without ever having to step in a dojo without the sweat, pain and effort to learn them, and on top of it he is the chosen one. It is hard to use him as a guideline for courage and masculinity when I can't imagine myself suddenly finding out I'm this is a computer program and I have incredible abilities. Because of that I can’t really include most super-heroes and sci-fi/fantasy characters (which pains me because I love comic book heroes like Superman, Captain America and Spider-Man for their great moral guidelines – with great power comes great responsibility should be in the fucking bible).
So what I am looking for his female characters that can inspire women in their courage in a believable, realistic manner like Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood, Gary Cooper or Russel Crowe inspires us men.
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Star Trek made $26.8 million on its' opening day and $4 million on Thursday midnight showings. Where is that $7 million figure coming from?
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May 22, 2009 10:52:41 PM CDT
Terminator Salvation = $13 million opening day!
by seth_rogans_hairy_breasts
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How about the Bride from Kill Bill.
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suck on that. (and i wanted T:S to succeed!...but McG and the screenwriters suck ass)
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Michelle Yeoh from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. When you live in a world where everyone can possibly learn super kung-fu and you have to spend long hours training in it, it no longer becomes a special power but instead a special skill.
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Jackie Brown or almost any Pam Grier role.
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I know I gave the Michelle Yeoh exception, but Bride lives in a world very close to ours so her abilities border on the superhuman. I mean, samurai fighting in the modern world? And the five fingered exploding heart touch?
Like I said, tough one.
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i 2nd the BRIDE. what about portman from LEON?
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Here are the last ones I can think of: Thelma & Louise, G.I. Jane, Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth, and Gershon and Tilly in Bound.
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Harry is overreacting. Look, T2 is one of the greatest films of all time. It is lightning in a bottle. To expect that magic to be captured again is just setting yourself up for disappointment. I would rank T4 slightly above T3. Not the greatest, but not terrible. Great action scenes. Yelchin is great. Some cool little nods to the past films (I especially liked the GNR You Could Be Mine reference to the dirt bike scene in T2). True, some of the decisions that Skynet and the characters make in the film don't stand up to scrutiny if you really think about it. But taken at face value, it's a pretty good Summer movie. I hope it makes enough money to justify finishing the proposed trilogy.
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they just dont make good female roles. nowadays its shit like tomb raider or rachel weisz in the mummy (and no i dont own these). pretty sad, no that youve brought this to the forefront.
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yes there was action but it was hollow. and the pilot risked all of mankind to let marcus go. cause she was in love? fuck that!
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there was the beginning assault and then the MADMAX ripoff, the great escape, then a sub blowing up, then the skynet assault by Connor. not adding up to alot. id say about 15 minutes tops.
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...until I saw Harry's post about this being worse than Transformers. I didn't expect greatness from Terminator, but worse than Transformers? No fucking way will I pay to see that...
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I am Really beginning to think that your taste is heavily influenced by the critics. I generally find the critics opinion helpful to explain better for me why I like or don't like something. This, however, is one film that I disagree with the majority completely on. This was really great sci - fi fantasy for me. Really. I haven't disagreed with the critics so sharply since Speed Racer. Of course my all time contention with them was with the Passion Of The Christ.
Anyways, acting was good to sometimes really good. Story was consistent and fascinating. Action was mostly great, sometimes good but sometimes splendid! Great set up for future installments. Really gets it right with the mood of things. For the first time MCG won my respect. Just a shame that Cloverfield received twice the praise. A shame that you liked Twilight.
Certainly T-4 is better than T-3 and worthy of the first two installments.
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Wow! Paramount must be paying Harry by the names he mentions. Don't buy his obvious, and continued praised of giving Trek more credit than it truly deserves! Anton is not good at all in Terminator, his performance shames Michael Beihns character and I wish SkyNet killed him. That would have been a game changer and a new future for the franchise. Star Trek is not that good, it's a frachise commercial set for 3 more films.
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May 23, 2009 12:37:01 AM CDT
Check out the review on Twitch - worth reading...
by cant_stop_yawning2
no spoilers, and no breathless recaps of childhood memories, just a mature, straight ahead review with some smart observations about the Wright character at the end.
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Looks like Harry would love a reboot already.
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May 23, 2009 12:58:44 AM CDT
After hearing Bale chew that lighting guy a new asshole...
by chuck_chuckwalla
... I assumed that there would have been a tremendously emotional scene that would have would have justified him doing that. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when I heard him go off on that guy. I thought that if he's that passionate about a scene then we're in for a great performance of the like that's never been seen in a Terminator movie before. But no. Bale is a disappointing John Connor. Maybe that scene got cut out? Or maybe it's McG? Because this is the most limp-wristed Terminator of the bunch. Shit man, go back to making music videos and leave the Terminator franchise to someone that has some balls of steel.
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I don't read twitter. I'm trying to make sure I never will.
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McG is to blame but who in their right mind would greenlight the script. It was simply awful
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First the little demon spawn of will smith that ruined day the earth stood still and now this little brat in T4. Also Harry your review was flawless. Please do more reviews like this one.
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like it's really hard to put twitter.com/headgeek666 into your browser. Harry says he woke up to voicemails from a bitter, dissapointed, betrayed feeling McG
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This is by far the best review of Terminator Salvation I have read! It describes, in perfect detail, the agony I felt while watching this GIGANTIC PILE OF STEAMING HORSE SHIT! Fuck McG, Fuck the movie & even more importantly, fuck the writers.....then fuck McG again!
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that's really weird
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Damn you to hell!
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I'm still going to see it but after Harry's review I'm not expecting much. Other than maybe some cool action.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37779 Close the gaps.
Read this MCG interview after watching the film... it's good laugh.
2nd unit did a bang up job though. Bryce is hot on zee chubsy side. Reese is fun to watch, but overall it was a pointless story and it makes you wish they canceled the film and kept the TV series. There was absolutely no pace or resolution, save for the Tin Man getting his heart. I concur that the campfire scene edit was enjoyable in all the wrong ways.
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It's not laziness (although I AM a lazy fuck), it's my anti-twitter stance. I'm trying to not get pulled into it, like I ended up being pulled into facebook etc.
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Well in all fairness Hollywood has never really produced that many great heroic female roles to begin with. But it seems from like 1979 (Aliens) up until Out of Sight there was one every couple of years. But yeah, now it seems every heroic female is a Laura Croft, Charlie's Angel or Kiera Knightly in Pirates of Caribbean. Very few truly believable tough and heroic women in movies.
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I don't think she qualifies because she isn't a hero, she is actually the damsel in distress. Now if they made a sequel with her grown up she might qualify.
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Man, what I'd do to be back in the day watchin Aliens again - although she's more of a tragic heroine, but what the hell...
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This franchise has been a part of my life for 25 years. I love it. The first film has such a special place in my heart. As you pointed out, at it's heart, it was a love story. Yet, all the time travel and the robots and the violence all served this tragic love story. The threat of the Terminator was real and terrifying. The gravity of the entire situation was incredibly overwhelming and powerful. I remember the day I saw T2 in the theater and I knew it was instantly one of the greatest films that will ever be made. Reading some of the reactions on the site, my defense for making Arnold an emasculated death machine was too give us a different way of looking at this war on machines. It was a spoke in the tire. Plus, the T-1000 was beyond terrifying as an enemy. He was worthy to fight against Arnold, and even temporarily kills him. There was another real sense of danger. And at the end, we were still left unsure about what the future holds. Then Terminator 3 comes along and puts a definitive "yes, judgement day happens" cap on the films. But I liked it. Yes, hated the Terminatrix. She was pointless. Not scary. Not even that hot. But at the end of the film, it leaves the story exactly where it needs to be. And then this movie happened. Man I wanted it to be good. The trailers were so great. So effective. But this just falls so short. I've known for 25 years that John Connor is the leader of the resistance and that Kyle Reese is John's father, and that at some point, Skynet learns how to copy human tissue so that they're harder to spot. We've seen glimpses of this future war, but when we finally see it, it's not all that exciting. There were elements of the film that I didn't mind, but those were few and far between. I wanted to see the development of time travel. Why are robots with hearts so important? You'd think time travel would be the biggest shit to happen in the history of the universe. Yet, it's nothing in this film. This film is just all about the things I've known for 25 years. And man, I wanted so much more. It's hard to know where to end a rant like this, so I'm gonna start here. I'm sure I'll have more to say after I have a little more time to gather my thoughts.
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Does not lie with the directors. Remember Lucas directed the original Star Wars before he fucked the prequels up - and we all know Spielberg can still bring it. Hell, Irvin Kershner directed fucking Robocop 2! No, the problem is with the fucking SCREENWRITERS. Hollywood seems to have gotten it into their heads that it doesn't matter who they hire to write their most lucrative properties so they hire the most talentless hacks around. Look at some of the classics: Empire Strikes Back (Leigh Brackett, Lawrence Kasdan), Raiders of the Lost Ark (Kasdan again), The Terminator (James Cameron), Lethal Weapon (Shane Black). Now look at the screenwriters for some more recent projects: Wolverine (David Benioff and Skip Woods - that's the writer of such classics as Swordfish and Hitman), Indy 4 (David f***ing Koepp), Terminator Salvation (John D. Brancato and Michael Ferris), Angels and Demons (Akiva Goldsman, we all know who he is) Transformers 2 (Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Ehren Kruger - writer of The Ring Two). I mean who are these people?! How do they get work on some of the biggest films around? I'll tell you how, it's because Hollywood does not give a shit about screenplay quality because they know you're gonna see it anyway because it has cool CGI and explosions. So that's where they spend the $200 million dollars. Where they cut costs is by hiring ass-talentless writers who are just so grateful to be given work that they'll do whatever they're told. Pathetic.
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Good fuckin' points. I'm not the biggest Dark Knight fan, but part of the reason it works so well is that Chris Nolan had a hand in writing the script, and as we've seen with Memento and The Prestige he knows how to write movies.
But like I tell a lot of my friends, Hollywood has learned two things: the director and the screenwriter are not-important. In fact, I think the studios prefer hiring bad directors and writers for a reason - they are easier to control. You tell the Cohen Brothers what to do and they will most likely say fuck you, they don't need you; but you tell McG and David Koepp what to do and they'll jump through hoops. Why? They know the hand that feeds them. -
Start with Transformers. From now on, we can blame that on Michael Bay. Don't blame the writers for that. They also wrote Star Trek. So, if you liked that movie... personally, I thought it felt like a really engaging television pilot. It was good, but the score was better. The other movies you mentioned - Wolverine, Indy 4, Terminator, Angels & Demons, Transformers - these are films that all have characters that have been on screen before. So, for these sequels, the films just seem to be made with this idea that if we dress a person up in the same clothes, give their character the same name, and give them the same quirks, that that's all it takes to make a successful movie. And with new characters, it works the same way. Just dress them up the way they should look, but they never actually need to really do anything like what they're supposed to. This wasn't really Terminator the same way Indy wasn't really Indy.
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Quit the whining. Show me where it says a submarine absolutely cannot appear in a terminator movie. Oh no how horrible they did something different and bold! Thank some diety you sacks don't make movies. The same group of you lot criticizing the hangers in the open desert also poke fun at a HIDDEN and MOBILE hq. Note the hypocriscy?
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Why not see the film for yourself and make your own judgement? NEVER let someone else make up your mind for you.
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Here's my two cents on T4. I actually liked it WAY more than T3. T3 was a piece of garbage. Let's face it. This one had some decent action sequences, and it was obvious that McG has a reverence for the source material. I mean honestly, it could have been WAY worse than it was. Ratner or Boll could have directed it and then we would have been stuck with something even worse. Oh, and in regards to Avatar, if the movie sucks, and I hope it doesn't as I love Cameron, I am going to laugh my ass off at every single person that thought that Avatar was the second coming.
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Every one is entitled to their opinion/view I guess...
I was disapointed by harry's review, purely cause of the hatred he seems to have for this movie, which I've yet to see as I live in the UK.
I've grown up with these movies, I watched Terminator at around the age of 5 and it scared the shit out of me, I fell in love with Camerons saga.
T2 is one of my all time favourite movies, and T3 I enjoyed, I didnt actually realise how negative people thought bout that movie, untill I came on the web. I found all 3 movies emotional expeiernces for me.
No matter how bad people thing this movie is, ill go in, Ill enjoy what they have crafted, enjoy the continuation of a great story that have grown up with for 15 years.
Aw, mind the reviews over here in the UK have all been very postive, Empire and Total Film, 2 big movie reviewers gave the movie 4 stars, so its mad to see how difference peoples views can be...anyhow, I never let the review judge the movie for me, I judge it myself -
He says "woke up to confused, angry, betrayed, embarrassed txt msgs on my phone from McG"
No shit! I wonder why? Like Haryy said.."he kissed my ass proper, but when it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there."...
First of all, I'm not sure what's worse, you expecting him to kiss your arse, or him expecting a great review for kissing it? Seems like bottom feeders gravitate towards each other.
It's one thing to dislike the movie/give an honest review. Maybe he would still feel betrayed if you said you didn't like it, but it's another thing entirely to write a review like that. It's like a guy coming to my birthday party, giving me something cool & me feigning freindship.Then when he leaves I say what a prick he is & how shit he is at his job. That's two faced as fuck man! -
Didn't love it. Pretty much the consensus of me and my friends. Not really sure were the festering hatred is coming from even as a fan of the originals when I saw them way back when. They have always been B movies at heart, and starting with T2 they have been B movies with good special effects. As far as not caring about characters? Of course not! This is a time travel series. If John did die, I would just assume the first scene in the next one would be some kind of time travel sequence where they save him. As soon as you introduce that caveat, the drama goes out the window. I wanted me a future war, and thats what I got. If I want a character driven Terminator I'll watch T:SCC. My biggest complaint was that there was TOO MANY human moments! I could have watched the T-RIP Marcus and T-800 fight all day while T-600's rained gunfire at them. The only dumb Terminators where the camera drone with no weapons and the "why not make an army of these indestructible" Harvester Terminators.
Best part of the movie for me besides the end was the nod to T2 when John procured his bike by blasting Guns N' Roses like he did on his scooter when he was Eddie Furlong. To each his own, it was good enough for me. -
Needed some flames and assorted stickers though.
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It wasn't anywhere near the first two, but it was way better than T3.
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http://tinyurl.com/pl6ubb
Watch the above Terminator 2 teaser to get that feeling in your soul that you had before you got to see the awesomeness that T2 was. Nothing you seen leading up to T4 gives you the feeling that the above teaser gives when watching it. I remember screaming YES!! YES!! after watching this teaser. T4 was decent at best , good action at times but little else. Bale was disappointing but the writing is the real culprit here..McG did ok , nothing spectacular and I would not make him be in charge of the inevitable sequel. -
You hit the nail right on fat harrys head. This is why this site has no credibility at all. How many other movie makers will read this review and say to themselves " lets keep people who work for that website far away from our movie ". Like you said its one thing to not like it and say so but to put this review out there like this is to basically tell the people involved with making it that they are all shit and should die. If I am Bale or McG I would never ever do any interviews or invites to this site ever again. All this site cares about it page hits. That why they are ok with these ridiculous shitfest talkbacks where every low life idiot gets to rank on successful movie stars. Its like posting on the TMZ.com websites..you got 300 pound woman on there who have 5 filthy kids and on that site they get to take pot shots at people like Kelly Ripa or Jessica Beil..people who they only wish they could be. Sad...
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May 23, 2009 8:20:14 AM CDT
The attendance at your 1PM showing has nothing to do with critic
by arteska
Anyone attending a showing on that day and time had planned to do so before the movie opened. That more people would have done so for Trek is hardly a surprise, though how that movie opened lower than Wolverine is.
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I fuckin' LOVED the "Animal Crackers" Scene. Full of tears, joy and other fluids regarding Liv Tyler! Same people who hated it were eager to see The Phantom Menace. See where it got them???
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People complain about the dialogue and characters. Problem is you know how it's going to turn out, so no matter what happens how can you really care when there is no suspense. Is Kirk never going to become a Starship Captain, are they going to save the earth? Of course they fucking will.
Terminators based in the present are more easier to digest because there is only 1 or 2 terminators and nobody knows or believes a word John Connor would say, etc, etc. When they do fucked up shit well they are from the future after all anything is possible.
The whole future war at night, how old was Kyle when that happened that he had recollected, most likely not the same age as in Salvation. The T-800's were in full force too they had to use dogs to sniff em out, etc. Perhaps that is still to come. You would think there would be many survivors and even harder to find them all scattered all over the place, and they seemed to openly communicate with other human strangers which would get them killed if it were a T-800. Which would explain why humans aren't huddled together in a community, basically they aren't at the brink of hopelessness and they think they can still survive on their own somehow and someone will fight their battles for them and all will be peachy sooner or later.
John is not the leader of shit yet, why can't anyone grasp this is supposed to be a trilogy and even then it stands alone quite well it's got a start-middle-end.
Maybe the people pissed off used this movie as an excuse to live life, live long enough to see the new Terminator movie as a milestone and got pissed off because it wasn't a life changing experience, or maybe they wanted to see super advanced ninja terminators with wire Kung Fu fighting, or maybe they wanted to have a Gundam underground in Japan that would let them fight the tank terminators that crushed skulls that were not there.
It was a decent action movie, better than Wolverine, it was entertaining and can you honestly say you were bored watching it?
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/living/2009/05/21/lynch.wa.bus.attack.kcpq
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(CNN) -- A passerby pushed a would-be suicide jumper off a bridge in southern China because he was angry at the jumper's "selfish activity," Chinese media reported Saturday.
It happened Thursday in the city of Guangzhou as Chen Fuchao threatened to jump off Haizhu Bridge, China's Xinhua news agency reported.
The bridge has gained a "macabre" reputation with 11 jumpers having thrown themselves off the bridge since the start of April, Xinhua said.
Traffic was held up for nearly five hours and a crowd gathered as Chen sat on the bridge, threatening to jump, Xinhua reported.
Chen wanted to kill himself because he had 2 million yuan ($294,000) in debt after a failed construction project, Xinhua reported.
Lian Jiansheng, 66, who was passing by the bridge, offered to talk Chen down, Xinhua said. Police refused, but Lian broke through the police cordon and climbed to where Chen was sitting.
Lian greeted Chen with a handshake, then pushed him off the bridge, Xinhua said.
Chen fell 26 feet (8 meters) onto a partially-inflated emergency air cushion, damaging his spine and elbow in the fall, Xinhua said. He is now recovering in a hospital.
A photographer documented the sequence of events. The photographs show Lian, dressed in a T-shirt, shorts and socks, saluting to the crowd after pushing Chen off.
"I pushed him off because jumpers like Chen are very selfish. Their action violates a lot of public interest," Lian told Xinhua. "They do not really dare to kill themselves. Instead, they just want to raise the relevant government authorities' attention to their appeals."
Police took Lian away after the incident, Xinhua said. It did not say whether he would face any charges.
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but he was dead on. This shit sucked rocks. I went to see it last night, and you could have heard a pin drop in the theater when the credits came up. Then some dude who obviously couldn't contain himself burst out with 'God, that fucking SUCKED!' and the place roared with laughter and applause. Truly terrible, the film misses the mark on every level. Nothing more to say than that.
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but he was dead on. This shit sucked rocks. I went to see it last night, and you could have heard a pin drop in the theater when the credits came up. Then some dude who obviously couldn't contain himself burst out with 'God, that fucking SUCKED!' and the place roared with laughter and applause. Truly terrible, the film misses the mark on every level. Nothing more to say than that.
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I really enjoy some of McG's TV work. I'm not a hater for no reason. I like Supernatural and I loved The O.C. I think the guy has a lot of talent in certain respects, and he seems like a fairly agreeable and nice guy. But man, I think he just kind of missed the point on this one. There was no humanity to any of the characters, and the dialogue was just one cliche' after another. And then that 'What makes us human, the human heart' recap at the end just about killed me. I don't know, I'll bet while they were making this they thought that they were making a really kick ass Terminator film. Then when they got done and actually edited the thing down, they kind of sat back and went 'Oh. That really doesn't work too well, does it?' Just disappointed.
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CHUD, NUKE THE FRIDGE, EMPIRE, TOTAL FILM, ARROW IN THE HEAD all really ENJOYED this movie, and so did some of the contributers to this very site, yet HARRY goes overboard with the HATE almost to the point of it being personal. Really really odd behaviour. And certainly not dignified. OR PROFESSIONAL.
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You go overboard when you defend Bale's antics on set (which the rest of the world ribbed you on), and now things have got personal with you and McG. "he kissed my ass proper, but when it came time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over it and I wouldn't go there". You need help dude, seriously. You head is in bad shape - much worse than your body.
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I watched this movie last night, and the following questions came to mind:
1. When SkyNet (in the form of Helena Bonham Carter's digital head) starts the whole monologue which discloses the evil plot to Marcus Wright, did anyone else get a bad flashback of the Architect talking to Neo in Matrix Reloaded?
2. I can understand a human having the narcissistic need to expose their diabolic plan to the hero of the movie, but would a MACHINE really need to do this?
3. So SkyNet tells Marcus Wright that he was created to do what all the other Terminators failed to do, which is lure John Connor to his death. Now maybe I'm missing something, but since the 2018 (or whatever year) SkyNet hasn't even done these things yet, how does it know about these failures of more advanced and upgraded Terminators that it hasn't even created yet?
4. Did Sarah Connor also leave tapes for SkyNet to listen to just to catch it up to speed? Or did they capture all this information from Arnold's arm.
5. Wouldn't it be in mankind's best interest if Kyle Reese and John Connor actually die? After all, if John Connor never existed, SkyNet never sends Arnold back in the past to kill Sarah Connor in the first place. Furthermore, said Arnold does not leave arm back in the past after battling Kyle Reese, thus providing the fragment of technology instrumental to the creation of SkyNet. If Kyle Reese is never sent back in time, John Connor never exists to threaten the machines, and thus initiate all these time travel shennanigans that actually create SkyNet in the first place. Kill Kyle Reese before he goes back in time and Judgement Day, John Connor, SkyNet and these bad movies never even happen.
6. Is SkyNet a villain from the 60's Batman TV show? You know, the type of villain that doesn't kill the hero at the most opportune moment, but instead derives more pleasure in torturing and goading the hero to the point of reversal of fortune in lieu of certain victory.
7. Could the rumored John Connor/Marcus Wright flesh suit script been a more interesting movie ending than the crap i actually saw?
8. Did Christian Bale actually give a shit about performing in this movie? I couldn't tell if he was acting or sleep walking.
9. Sure the movie LOOKS good, but can anyone that actually gives a rat's ass about little things such as plot, dialogue, and acting really call this a good movie?
10. C'mon, really? After watching Terminator Salvation, I think I know what death tastes like, too. The death of two hours of my life that I can never get back.
11. Is it that easy to do heart transplants in post-apocolyptic America? Hell, I've heard of medics saving people in the field of war, but a fucking heart transplant? We aren't talking stitches or amputating an injured limb, but a fucking heart transplant.
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May 23, 2009 10:46:21 AM CDT
time for me to give him my blowjob, his dick had shit all over i
by theplant
Harry, you will die and go to hell for writing a thing like that. That's not a review, that's just sick.
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May 23, 2009 10:52:30 AM CDT
And for those that asked...I can give a fuck about this review.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I have zero respect for pretty much anything that comes out of Harry's mouth. He has proven time and time again he can be bought and paid for. His opinion of film is on par with a retarded 5 year old. What the fuck is there to discuss? I saw this last night...I fucking loved it. For me it is the best film of the franchise. No matter what film McG made, critics would have savaged it.This review is a joke, but it makes me laugh. The fact that any of you still care what Harry has to say is equal parts disturbing and tragic.
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May 23, 2009 10:54:59 AM CDT
Oh yeah-- and I'd believe McG over Harry.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I call absolute bullshit on that leaving him messages thing. Harry is disturbingly opportunistic and self serving. Every word that comes out of his mouth is some sort of self promotion. I think he lies and fabricates shit constantly. I'd pay attention more often kids....
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May 23, 2009 11:06:20 AM CDT
I agree, I don't know if I'd EVER give this site an interview
by d.vader
If this is the way they're going to treat their so-called "friends". Look, the relationships are mutually beneficial. Both filmmaker and website get hits and attention to their projects by working together. If, in the end, you don't like the movie, its fine to say so. In face, we WANT you to say so. We don't want to have the appearance of favoritism because you got "pwesents". But to turn around and fucking insult the guy the way you did? That's fucking LOW. I mean, I'm no fan of McG, and I certainly don't think he has any real sense of storytelling (but I've yet to see this movie), but if the man came to my bday party and gave me a cool gift, I certainly wouldn't turn around and shit on his face the way YOU did, Harry, you fat piece of traitorous shit. That's just not cool, man. Not cool at all. Just give the film a bad review and move on. No need for the insults. Man, I'm disgusted.
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How else could he keep getting work?
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yeah i saw that video thats fucked up. they shold draw and quarter this fucka!
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It was what I thought it would be-some incredible action and a so-so plot. I went to see TERMINATORS DESTROY SHIT and on that level it delivered. I certainly did not expect it to be on par with the originals, but it was much better than the AVP movies or many other franchise reboots. The one impression I do get about it, though, is that it borrowed imagery very heavily from the following: WAR OF THE WORLDS: the Harvesters-ripped off completely from that flick. ALIENS: Look at Skynet at the end-the towers shooting flames, the pipes and steam in the hallways-totally ripped from Aliens. THE MATRIX: Helen Carters giant noggin talking to robot man at the end. TERMINATOR II: Robot fight in Skynight. I'm sure there are other examples, but the point is the McG seems to be a opportunistic director that is not afraid to rip off others work to further his own-i.e. little personal creativity.
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He DID walk on the bus all adaahdadahdah....
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That's fucking hardcore. (And I use the term "Chinaman" because I had my legs taken from me by one in Ko-rea).
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i tried to like this film..it just didnt happen. the trailers before the film (extract, bruno, hangover) put me in a real good mood and let my guard down. it was basically when williams the pilot let marcus go that it went down hill. i cant forgive it for that. the rest of it just felt like a jumble of arts from other films. great escape, matrix, robocop, road warrior, terminator, T2, yadayadayda. with cams films there was at least some propulsive force engaging me to a finale here there was none of that and no suspense.
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my bad
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Start singing "Little Green Bag" with "Six Demon" replacing the key lyrics? Hmm? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?
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i DID like Bale just letting the pilot go after she explained herself, having been in the position before. in T2 he had wanted Arnold to stay, but he couldnt have it that way. she basically risked the entire civilization's future cause she was in love? uh..
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i walk in slo mo too.
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Harry's review feels like a backstab to McG. You can write a negative review without being offensive to everyone involved with the film. If I was McG I'd definitely feel betrayed, because he was very open and supporting to this site during the promotion of the film.
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May 23, 2009 12:05:02 PM CDT
Six Demon....I agree with you on Moon Dickblood.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....that was one of the weaker elements in the film for me-- her motivation to release him. It feels like there could have been a lot more to develop their relationship and I suspect that will be on the extended version. But yeah....she did risk an awful lot just by trusting the guy and wanting to swallow his seed.
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May 23, 2009 12:06:17 PM CDT
The China suicide thing was a 26 foot drop....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....and there was an air pad already set up. The guy that pushes was trying to help I believe.
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May 23, 2009 12:11:42 PM CDT
Harry showed about as much courage as Moriarty on Hitfix....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...talk about fucking spineless. Watch the video interview with McG where Mori says its a very human story like the first 2, and he thought Worthington was great in the role, it sounds pretty damn positive. And the second he is at home in the comfort of his own home he writes a luke warm review saying he'll be shocked if there is support for this film and a trilogy comes out of it. Uhhhhhhh. This entire crew is the epitome of all things dickless. I can give a fuck what your opinion is...just behave like a fucking man and grow the fuck up.
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According to that long ass talk between Marcus and Skynet he was the ultimate infiltrator. He was the perfect Terminator to go in an what? If he was supposed to kill John Conner then why didn't he? Kill Kyle, okay then do it. Marcus doesn't know he is a machine until John shows him so what was his purpose? Was Skynet supposed to activate him at some point and forgot? In the end he helps the humans. Marcus is the main character of the movie but he has no purpose for being in it. He helped the pilot, but she was a useless character too. Even as a metaphor for a machine having a heart he was unnecessary. Besides the little homages to past films the whole movie is about him. I think this is why we are so frustrated and some hateful. What's the point?
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You're right on with your point about the crappy screenplays produced today. A large part of the responsibility for this though DOES lie with the director and producer. A strong director or producer can talk or convince a studio into hiring great writing talent. I'm sure, say Jerry Bruckheimer can hire ANY frickin' writer he pleases, despite what any studio wants. Ditto Spielberg or even, yes, Michael Bay or Rattner. The problem is they often choose not to. Most of these guys could easily ring up, say Larry McMurtry, Cormac McCarthy or Lawrence Block to pen a script. Notice that the mentioned writers are all novelists. Remember that, during the Golden Age of Cinema in the U.S. during the 1940's, many writers on staff at the studios were also accomplished novelists and playwrights. Who wrote for studios? Why, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Raymond Chandler, Leigh Bracket, Ben Hecht (then famous playwright) and Dorothy Kingsley (mystery novelist). I'm sure a guy like McG could give fuck-all who wrote the screenplay he's shooting.
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I've yet to see it but my film critic mate really liked, so I go see it with some optimism. But really what's the problem? Yeah I loved Terminator as a kid and its still by the far the best of the original trilogy. But it's dated and the effects were bad then never mind now. If Cameron even did a Lucus and CGI'ed parts of the movie I wouldn't cry, thing is I watched it recently with my girlfriend who'd never seen it before and she laughed at some parts which took me out of the movie. She may have a point. It does look rough in places. I also know your not allowed to say it but I never really cared or loved T2 like everyone else did. It was ok then and is the same now. A film of it's time because they had new effect toys to play with. T3 really need'nt be mentioned but does have solid ending. But all in all it's robots fighting other robots and humans running away or getting twatted like bitchies. Star Wars was a universe and mythology I really really cared about and could have been epic and vast and dirty and interesting and incredible. Instead we got the prequels we got and they truely ruined everything. Star Wars univerese got small, Darth Vader built C3PO for gods sake. If I can no longer care for Star Wars then I doubt Salvation can offended me any worse or dissapoint me anymore. I just hope Lucus doesn't one day CGI over Chewie with Vader and have him put C3PO back together afer the Ugnauts dismantle him. Laters
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Harry tell us how great this movie is if he doesn't actually believe that? I'd much rather him be honest with us, himself, and McG. There's always a certain excitement that goes along with going on a set or interviewing a famous actor or director. I get the concept that it's a very two-faced situation. You'll never say straight up to their face that something they've done is terrible. It's much easier to bash something in the comfort of your own home. But I think Harry is telling it straight up - about how he feels. Doesn't mean you need to agree. This is his opinion on the film. Some of his other opinions and reviews of movies are movies that don't have 25 years of history. This is clearly a franchise he has a lot of respect for, and quite frankly, we all deserved better than this.
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Listen, this film would have been a true epic in the hands of Cameron or perhaps even Nolan...under the guise of McG it was simply a good summer popcorn flick. Real character development...No, Real deep storytelling....Nope, Amazing set design, action and special effects....FUCK YEAH! The ILM work on all the Terminators was fucking fantastic, all of Stan Winstons (RIP) on the live action stuff...Fucking AMAZING. Did McG deserve such resources...probabely not, but Goddamn it we did, and it was a feast for the eyes so long as you didn't get hung up on the stupid shit...but there were some amazing action sequences in this film, and I believe it showed true respect and plenty of props to the films that came before it. Do I give McG a "PASS" no fucking way...he was never talented enough to do this film, he didn't deserve the cast he got, the money, the backing...any of it..but at least he let the talents behind the scenes do their thing...(except the fucking DP, he shouldn't have spent so much time looking at the damn lights). As far as Bale, Worthington, Bryce and the rest...Dude they had direction from the guy who brought us the OC...are you fucking kidding me, what did you expect. Bale wasn't that bad (I'll cite the termicycle scene as an example, that was fucking bad ass). Look if you honestly had hi hopes for the films story, character development, and dialog...your fucking dreaming. All that being said, it still served its purpose of re-launching the series. I'm going to see it for a second time, for the design and action sequences alone. Since when does Harry know best anyway? Yeah fucking FF2ROTSS was epic...you arthouse lefty fuck stick.
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The professional endorsements are comin' in. Talkback support for TS from so many including Stuntcock, BSB and now Dickblood.
Bale just jumped for joy*.
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To those asking stupid questions about time travel, how about ask this question "Why make a movie at all?" If everything works itself out and shouldn't exist an blah blah blah why even bother to make a movie about anything related to it? It never happened since they won. Skynet knows about Kyle and John from T3 when it was activated by the Terminatrix. Skynet wants to use Kyle to lure John Connor to kill them both, killing Kyle is no guaruntee that John Connor will disapear like Marty Mcfly.
Most people seem to overlook Marcus was a cyborg and not a full blown endo skeleton machine, he had a human brain and a heart. Was the character explained in the best way possible was his Sci-Fi grounded in some plausible reality, no. Sure they could have wasted the whole movie doing an Origin story about Marcus, he could be his own fucking franchise spin-off, etc, etc.
You could say he needed Skynet to explain because his human brain processes audio/visual instead of zero's and 1's. Marcus didn't have any programming.The movie contradicts itself there and tries to do a twist but they should have just left it at Skynet not being prepared for his activation but it completed him but he was a failed experiment because it could not control his human brain so he was shelved. When they raided that base they triggered something and activated him and everything is coincidence that Skynet uses to it's advantage.
What if in a later episode Carter's char is found out to be from the future and thus puts everything in a whole different direction.
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It's a a good start for Terminator without Arnie.
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Borther Abom also gave it 3 out of 5 fist at AIBN.
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I saw the first two, and I love sci-fi but this film seems like it's made for awkward goth kids who are going to listen to Marilyn Manson (or whoever is popular now) after watching the movie.
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... along with ILM.
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Nice one Conti - fun reviews from the AIBN professionals, "fucked by an ungreased fist..." hehe.
I also like the fact that TS is taken on its own merit - forget Furlong, forget Cameron, forget timeline paradoxes and all that bollocks. It's the first film in a 'new' trilogy and it's great to see someone that gets that.
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I just saw this heaping pile id shit and was curious to know what scene that was....As far as I can tell - this flick was 2 hours of various yelling scenes!
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Sorry if that wasn't clear
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I picked up on the nods. John using his tracking device inside SkyNet Central to find Reese (similar sound-effects), the elevator scene, being impaled through his back (Queen/Bishop) ..wouldn't exactly call any of those "theft." They were very obvious little nods.
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Explaining why Arnold was the model for all the T-800's?
Hiiii-larious!
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Holy shit! That accent!
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Weird...Most people are comparing T:S to the films that came before it and set the bar (minus T3)...Star Trek, whether critics or this site loved it, has nothing to do with the poor reviews that T:S has gotten. If you liked it, that's great - it seems like most people consider it a massive disappointment or an opportunity lost (while still being a decent "popcorn" movie)...who gives a shit about Star Trek? In this conversation, you might as well be comparing it to Wall-E, because neither have anything to do with the shitty reviews that T:$ has gotten...what a cynical cash grab T:$ is...fuckers.
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Make no mistake on my "popcorn" comment...T:S has more style and genuine coolness to just a few of its action sequences then fucking abrams could muster in the entire Star Trek "re-boot"....at least there wasn't fucking nine year olds jumping from 60's era corvetts just as its spilling over a cliff, that sequence alone tacked out on not only the "gay" meeter but also the fucking "far fetched beyond Transporter 2+3 put together meeter"...and you folks have issue with time travel paradox inconsistancies...WTF? You trekkie bitches make me want to find geek and punch in face...Terminator: Salvation was a decent flick, but I'd also like to punch McG in the face for not making it the classic it could have been...all that being said, Star Trek wasn't some new fucking evolution of film, it was your basic Star Trek movie with some cool new effects...now go kill yourself.
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out of a paper bag, the unnamed 2nd unit dude probably is the star. In fact, you can picture him, some competent guy from the Czech Republic or somewhere, looking at McG's rushes and thinking, dude WTF!!
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May 23, 2009 3:12:08 PM CDT
Just so tired of clueless hack directors blowing their wedge on
by phoenixflames
CGI and "edgy" actors in desperate bids for credibility. Write a good fucking story first, lame-arse, and you've got a chance.
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i thought it was a well done action flick. the plotholes were minor compared to Star Trek's, the characters were no more shallow than characters in great action flicks, Worthington was great, the schwarzeneggar cameo worked, and it more hard than 2. i hated the ending. the reshot ending was so horribly tacked on and made the entire movie pretty irrelevent to the main story. otherwise i loved it.
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if it doesnt go along with their fanfic storyline, it fails.
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just like he did a better Batman/Bruce Wayne.
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you've mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about Star Trek...I haven't seen it, and don't intend to, unless I take my dad for nostalgic reasons. MY POINT - no one was comparing Star Trek and T:$ except for those people that somehow managed to shut off their brains and liked it...Most thought McGinty would fuck up and wondered why would the studio entrust him with what could be a multi-billion dollar new trilogy? McGinty was merely a proxy - the studios who continue to produce stupid shit because idiots keep going are to blame...is it naive to expect great movies from great properties? Or is it cynical just to not expect more? Personally, I am hoping Marvel continues with great movies by actually making movies that are smart and fun.
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Going to have to politely disagree with you there. The problem with Keaton's Batman is I never once believed he could beat anyone up in a fight, least of all me. Plus, I never, ever got the sense that Keaton was working at being Batman, he just ways Batman. He is like the Roger Moore as Bond, never thought he ever had to do any training to became Bond, he just was given the title and that was that.
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Don't try fooling me.
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Harshly funny review Harry! I'll skip this movie and rewatch JJ's Star Trek instead.
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May 23, 2009 4:46:15 PM CDT
Why doesn't sky net just use biological warfare against humans?
by toowhippy
Saw it, and I found it to be so amateur except for the previz action shot design and finished cgi stuff. Lazy storytelling. I'd love to hear what James Cameron thinks about this McG effort. Oh yeah, I saw it at the arclight in hollywood last night and the audience laughed when the the screen read; "A McG film" or "Directed by McG." Lame shit.
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At the film's end I caught myself thinking SPOILER "They are going to do a heart transplant in an open operating room in the middle of the desert with, presumably, no transplant surgeon and little chance that the two would be a match. So now Connor has to take immuno-suppressant drugs the rest of his life? Where will they get the drugs? How will they keep his blood circulating during the procedure? Did they bring the necessary machine with them on the raid? Why the fuck would they do that?" And then I realized that it was nearly as preposterous as the premise for the entire franchise.
I see why Harry hated it. This was not the Dark Night that people were expecting. But come on now. The first two were put together by a type-a, obsessive film pioneer. How can we expect the latter films to be any good at all?
Also, Star Trek was visually stunning but seemed to be written around each character's catch phrase. It lacked heart and was far more of a let down than Terminator.
Harry's running a business and it seems like he is playing ball with the studios. Whatever. AICN dosen't really get any more "exclusives" than entertainment tonight anymore so what would one really expect?
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http://www.movieweb.com/news/NE1Dy218cye835
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best thing about the movie is Charles Gibson's work.
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Next time you watch TS again, pay attention to the scene where she takes Common's gun and shoots Marcus.
There's a very subtle shot of Marcus' reaction - that of anguish and sadness. I sensed that, rather than being hurt "physically", he was hurt emotionally by her shooting him. And Moon was clearly paying attention. I think that was her last ditch way of testing to see if he was, at his core, human. That's the moment she decided to go ahead with her plan to save him.
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And he must be getting a huge ego boost watching these hack director's ruin his franchise while hearing us cry for his triumphant return.
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The films are separated by only 500,000 with Museum in the lead for Friday...taking in 15.3 million dollars versus Terminator's 14.8 million Friday take. I think given the close race here, Terminator's producers should have shot the film in 3-D...and shortened the length of the movie in order to boost box office. Another problem with the film is that its having problems attracting female audiences. The reason for that problem? 1) Christian Bale's on-set rant...was a turn-off to audiences, especially women...and 2), the movie ads fail to play up the females, or the younger set in the movie cast...the latter, being the 20 something actor and the young child. That failure to do so, is costing Terminator the younger demo, some family audiences, and the female audience demo--bases that should have been covered by the studio...once they knew Nightmare At The Museum would be serving as Terminator's direct competition at the box office, that, and the advanced pre-release tracking numbers...is all that the studio needed to adjust the film and its marketing campaign to, and for, those audience demos.Now, due to their failure to act, in the light of this situation, Terminator Salvation is now in danger of opening-up at number two at the box office.
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None of these franchises are ever going to be any freaking good anymore - simply becaise of the control modern producers now have.
I really feel narrative and scriptwriting are of little importance anymore - merchandising is king, and Lucas is probably the b*stard we should string up for this.
For the record, Fincher nearly made a wonderful movie with Alien 3 - producers killed it, and every f*cking sci-fi movie since.
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nope. i think she just shot him to show that she and common were on the same side. then he left and let him go.
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the bullshit heart transplant crap was terrible. no part of that made sense. it would have been better if Connor died. It really does kinda make me sad for it. i liked everything up to that point. too bad they didnt have the balls to put geeks in their place and make the movie they wanted to make.
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Minus the dry-humping, I agree with every word of this review. God but I feel raped and robbed of one of my favorite film stories of all time. Damn McG for this glossy turd!!!
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... the story has some big logic issues.
1. John Connor doesn't trust Marcus. Why don't they use that new signal thing to see if he's connected to Skynet. By the way, Didn't Lucas use this at the end of Phantom Menace?
2. Skynet is not guarded all that well. Common and all those people flew into rescue Connor and the prisoner but they weren't attacked all that intensely by terminators. What gives? Bullets should be raining down on them.
3. What the hell is Common doing glasses on a night rescue? Goofy.
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OK now something is wrong where I can agree to anything someone with the name of DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD says....but fuck it, I just got back from T4 and loved it, Harry you screwed the pooch on this review
excitement ...check
cool effect+ making old story still seem good and fresh...check
character development....fucking check, Marcus was tortured soul from his past, and used by a machine in the future, fucking A
tightly wrapped into terminator lore!......CHECK AGAIN thousands of times better than T3 AND it neatly is packaged for a FUN RIDE
try to enjoy going to the movies
stop being an art house prissy pansies
you want art? shit a painting
Whiny collective dumb asses
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Why is the resistance broadcasting their plans to attack Skynet over the radio? Skynet probably can hear you! Dumb!
Skynet is super sophisticated but they can't make a Terminator than get a bullet on target? The terminators just spray bullets, hundreds of bullets, but none of them hit their target most of the time?
"Wow the script for Catwoman was so amazing! You want to do the next Terminator films?" Whatever! -
Dumb me! haha.
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never noticed that before. I was thinking more she was shooting him to get barnes to think she was on his side. Ill look for that when I see it again at the redondo beach 3 when its cheap or see it again at the matinee
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Next week Sam Raimi is gonna Drag me to Hell!!! So excited about that little beast... Can't wait to see it.
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no you're right the first time. there really isnt anything subtle in this film so why think this would be the one glaring exception?shitty plot point to propel story..it wouldve been less predictable had marcus start gnawing through the chains liek JAWS (from bond), whats another movies reference in a sea of many?
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May 23, 2009 7:57:59 PM CDT
Since T5 in inevitable, they need to worl on Arnold CGI
by six demon bag
looked like shit
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fuck you! go ahead and defend fucked up T4! While you're at it, continue to let it fuck u up the ass you piece of shit!
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May 23, 2009 8:25:05 PM CDT
DOJO?! COBRA BUILT THAT FUCKER OUT OF SHEER PROFESSIONALISM!
by stuntcock mike
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Yes, of course she shot him to play Barnes to leave - but she also had to make sure she was making the right decision. If you watch it carefully with a non-cynical eye, you could see Marcus was emotionally distraught while Moon was eyeing his reaction. It was a great moment, if you're open to it, because Worthington did some fine acting in it. If you intend on hating everything about the movie, don't bother.
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Also not worse than T3, Indy 4, Twilight, Armageddon, Godzilla, Phantom Menace, and scores of movies Harry loved or gave passes to. In other words, Harry overreacted big-time on this and it has to be some personal shit like McG hit on Yoko or something.
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What is with the X3 hate? T4 really blows all on its own.
I am stunned that Wolverine may very well turn out the be the biggest hit of the summer with only Harry Potter and Transformers as the only movies that may come close to beating it.
I love X3, better than X2 and the just barely passable X1. McG really, really fucked up big time. The parts where fully human John Conner gets his ass beat by the T-800 with nary a broken bone to show for it were just stupid.
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Just thought I'd pass along some info. This is the first film in a LONG time that I have seen people actually leave during the film - and go and get their money back. No BS - and I don't have an axe to grind one way or another. I actually know McG a bit (not name dropping - cause it's not much of a name). That's just the reality of how people - average audiences not fanboys - are reacting to this film.
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I know he said in a televised interview he expected T3 to suck, but he ended up liking it. So do I. Although T3 seems too much of a comedy at times and that takes away from the story.
When box office period is midway on its way to dollar theater, Jim should let out his opinion of T4. After all, TERMINATOR has always been Jim's baby as the career-paving opportunity to his personal and professional achievement very few are blessed to have as a superbly accomplished filmmaker with total creative control.
Harry, this review is compelling enough so I will not see T4. I never saw X3 because of Ratner (never saw any Ratner moie, ever). Never saw ANY movie because of McG based on terrible word of mouth and critical drubbing. T4 sure looks to be a guaranteed bomb. -
Well, this movie was brought to you by McG who made a (failed) attempt at the American version of Spaced. Thank gawd it didn't make it past the pilot, I'd hate him even more (if that's possible.)
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Edgar and Simon rule.
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Harry, were MCG's messages something along the lines of.....Seriously man, you and me, we're fucking done professionaly?
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Star Trek is doing as well if not better then Wolverine at this point and will probably make more money domestically then Wolverine is going to make.
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is that very few of the guys slagging on this movie here are actually men - you know, men that have actually broken a legitimate sweat doing something other than taking a dump. If you were you'd know what a bunch of mewling punks you sound like - especially when you treat this movie like it's the absolute pit of worst possible genre offerings. Harry de-legitimizes his site and virtually all the opinions here about anything, good or bad, writing something like this, and it only dumps more sewage into these talkbalks, where dicks and asses the things that come out of them are talked about more than on gay porn sites. You guys are flat out ruining moviegoing for fandom and making whatever voice you think Harry is helping give power to increasingly irrelevant.
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Just insult some Scots! Hold on, lemme retrieve a post from another TB...
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I'll fill in for scotman for the time being.
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but it is better than it has been regarded here. If any of you can man up and relate a negative impression without sounding like a kid that just discovered some dirty words while acting like you've actually seen a few movies it would be an immediate improvement. That and do some chores that don't involve eating or using something that requires electricity.
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I just watched a hilarious English propaganda war film called "The Lion Has Wings". Its an extra on the "The Thief of Bagdad" Criterion DVD, directed by one of its directors during a break in filming because of WWII.
And its pretty damned hilarious. At one point early one, when extolling the virtues of England, they manage to give Scotland a pretty backhanded compliment (or ok, really its an insult) at the same time. And I quote:
"Our enemies sneer at us, say we are effete and decadent. An unfortunately characteristic lie they will find at their cost.
Though we have our champions, we don't claim to lead the world in athletic records.
"We think it more important that people get enjoyment out of their favorite forms of exercise! Rowing. Running. Jumping. Or in Scotland, throwing heavy things about in a way that only Scotsmen can understand."
Cue footage of kilt-clad men tossing large handled balls, and hammers, and finally a caber. They continue.
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...I couldnt imagine hating ANYTHING as much as alot out of you and Big Red say you hate this movie. Must be a miserable fucking world you live in...
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It raked in "only" 14.8 mill. $ on Friday. Less than Night at the Museum 2. So what? We can expect a 40-50 mill. $ weekend? And the movie's reported budget is 200 mill.
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AMEN HARRY! That movie sucked so bad I created an AICN account just to address it!! Harry, I think you're giving too much of yourself by granting that piece of absolute rubbish such a long review. TS looks exactly like what you would expect from giving the dweebs who wrote Catwoman and the director of Charlie's Angels the Terminator franchise. No futher analysis needed than this: horrible writing, non-existent plot, and the worst performance of Bale's career. This is the death of the franchise. The only thing missing was Jar Jar Binks....
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>Star Trek is doing as well if not better then Wolverine at this point
I agree Star Trek is picking up steam but I'm not convinced it will overtake Wolverine.
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First off, I thought Nick Stahl was great in T3, I always thought Edward Furlong was a little too feminine for the role, and...a bit of a annoyance. Also, how could this movie be epic when Bale had it re-written AND they sacrificed the content for a more profitable PG-13 rating?
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These movie studios have got to stop giving you freebies, set-visits and kick backs. You're a fucking moron. A rabid nerd with no love of anything except your own inflated ego.
Who the fuck do you think you are?
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The girl wanted to appear to be on Common's side, so she shot the cyborg, knowing that it would not kll him.
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Hey, I had fun at this flick. And, if memory serves, didn't you dig "Blair Witch 2"? How can you have fun with that ball of celluloid dogshit & so fervently hate T4? Huh? BW2 ate the as right out of me, it sucked so hard. I'm anus-less from that shit you recommended to me, Harry.
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Coming in number 2 to Night at the Museum, under 100 mil on a 5 day week, less than Wolverine. Not good.
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One should proofread prior to post, is what one should do.
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Just sayin'. Dude needs to graze.
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May 23, 2009 10:36:17 PM CDT
Coming from the guy who cried in KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL...
by te22a
And had an erection in both Fantastic Four Movies.
HARRY YOU OBESE ORANGUTAN...
These movie studios have got to stop giving you freebies, set-visits and kick backs. You're a fucking moron. A rabid nerd with no love of anything except your own inflated ego. Who the fuck do you think you are? You fat cunt. Go fuck yourself. You give fandom a bad name.
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That movie gets a lot of flak on it's own, thank you very much.
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I want my $7.50 back, dammit!
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And I'm an obsessive completist about this-I have the first three Terminators. I even bought Live Free or Die Hard and Star Wars Episode 1--but I aint buying Terminator Salvation--yes folks, it really is that bad!!!
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And I didn't like Indy IV, but I at least thought it was watchable!
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He does you know.
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May 23, 2009 10:55:26 PM CDT
What kind of idiot gets run over by a 100 pount cart full of act
by te22a
HARRY KNOWLES does.
Morbidly obese fanboy - who's reviews are about as worthy as a bucket of fried chicken.
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Because the studio gave him freebies.
Don't listen to his people. He only gives movies good reviews if the studios suck his ass.
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at that point in the movie i was for it. only for a moment was i taken out of the film, when that shitty edit (the pre-rape scene) got me. it's raining one sec and then boom. dry as hell. what the fuck am i watching--planet terror? i let that slide. but when she let him go, i was gone. how could someone risk so much and be so naive? i understand it HAD to happen for the plot to continue, but they could have done something different AND better. In the end, did it help the plot IN ANY WAY that she fell in love with him? at the end when marcus sacrifices himself, do they even get closure? no, its the fucking mute girl who holds his hand. AMATEUR!! (not you, the plot device)
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i did see the pain in his eyes. and im sure he was sad that she shot him, but that doesnt excuse her actions. a man who seemingly is a cyborg, needed to be studied. the war with skynet rages on and given the fact that John himself (in the past)has seen T800s and knows that SOMEDAY they will be on the frontlines shouldve expressed this to his army. Marcus "having feelings" couldve been a simple program in order to infiltrate. In T2, Sarah and JOhn are able to switch the chip to allow the Terminator to pick up things from his environment, rather than just follow the prime mission.
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I completely agree with Harry’s excellent review. The film was garbage. Pointless garbage. I’ve never been this saddened and disappointed coming out of a theater since Phantom Menace or Superman Returns. Hey Cameron, no blame on you if you walk over to McG’s house and punch him in the face. Honestly, this movie makes Terminator 3 look like a damn masterpiece. Any of you other critics giving this film a pass, you’re doing harm to the future of cinema, the way it’s creativeness, talent and quality of story get onto that blank canvass.
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I believe Marcus was the "perfect" infiltrator but Skynet changed its mind and found a better one.That's right, a more perfecter one. Marcus was never activated because he was never needed.
I actually had no problem with the pilot letting Marcus go. The ending is what annoyed me and brought this down, imho. And, yes, the edit at the "rape scene" was pretty bad. The one distracting moment in the movie. -
That means about as much to me as reviews. I'll take notice, but if I wanna see something, other people's opinions aren't gonna change my mind.
The only movie I can think of right now where someone walked out of it, was The Dark Knight. Probably some prick who expected a Batman & Robin style homo-erotic adventure.
The way I see it, other people's opinions don't count on the basis that 99.9% of people are fucking idiots.
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My wife and I enjoyed the HELL out of this movie. I thought it was better than 1 and 3 BY FAR!
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Once I gave up any hope after the first 5 min of T-3 I guess I could say I enjoyed myself. Especially the humor in it. But thats only after I gave up hope. T4 was shit from start to finish. I had zero expectations going in and i still hated it.
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Lay the fuck off of Harry because he is dead on here. We should encourage his newfound honesty. In fact his review of T4 is the single most acurate review I have read for a movie in a while.
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Is either just being deliberately contrarian or is completely retarded. Salvation is no T2 but it's a perfectly suitable summer action future war pic in the vein of "Road Warrior". There's even a little pathos and character arc with the Marcus character.
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My guess the 81 in your name refers to your age but your taste in film suggests that of a 10 year old. Terminator 4 was a joyless piece of shit. Terminator 3 was also shit, but in a guilty pleasure sort of way. T4 has no defense, and anyone who defends it has no taste in cinema in my humble opinion.
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I loved T1, T2 and the TV series. T3 was awful. This movie was very different from the others, but it was far better than T3. The ending was pretty contrived, but I don't even remember rolling my eyes once like I did about a thousand times during "Wolverine". It definitely wasn't an iconic movie, but there was a lot to like about it. I enjoyed the nods to T1 and T2. It had a lot of action and explosions and the acting was pretty good. I liked Bale as John Connor, I liked the kid that played Kyle, and I guarantee that Sam Worthington is going to be a star. I hate to say it, but Moon Bloodgood was probably the weakest part of the movie. Overall, it was very enjoyable.
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Honestly, I never understood how people gauge that reaction. How the hell do you know those people didn't get up to go to the bathroom? Did you actually take your eyes off the movie to see if they ever returned? Really? How the hell can anyone know if people 'walked out' on a movie??? Me personally, I'm too busy watching a movie when I'm in the theater to care what others are doing. And I could never say with absolute certainty that anybody has walked out of a movie unless I actually heard them say 'I'm walking out on this movie and not returning.' Any time I hear someone espouse the 'walked out in droves' line, it only registers as the propaganda of somebody who hated the movie.
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The only part I really liked was the dedication to Stan Winston. Also, why is it that in Skynet's central tower, the very heart of machine society, everything is designed to be operated by humans? Touchscreens? Really??
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you can just tell. they grab their jackets and sodas and shit. obvious when they are in the row ahead of you. i remember Eyes Wide Shut. stupid fuckers. at the end the place was nearly empty as opposed to the start.
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had a very specific story in mind that he wanted to see from this movie. And when it didn't go exactly the way he wanted he shut down and decided everything about it was crap.
I saw it and it was decent. It's no T2, but who the hell was expecting it to be?
Nobody walked out, and people seemed generally satisfied. Get a grip Harry... this is just waaay overboard. -
May 24, 2009 1:32:18 AM CDT
Museum Sees 55 Million, And Terminator, Only 42 Million
by media messiah
Nightmare At The Museum has won the weekend, with Terminator Salvation coming in at a distant number 2 at the box office.
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I mean, Blade Runner like shitness, JC the Thing like shitness ! ET was so much better than those two dark pieces of crap eh ?
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"In your humble opinion"? This after you knocking my taste in "cinema" and calling me a 10 year old. In my humble opinion you are an asshat.
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IS IT JUST ME OR WAS SCOTTYS ACCENT EUROPEAN???
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JUST WATCHED IT ON YOUTUBE.SHITTY QUALITY.
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That's like saying Alien vs. Predator Requiem is better than Predator.
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by no means is it a perfect movie, nor is it Cameron. there is very little character development, as harry says, but it's about fucking time we finally got a badass Terminator movie that takes itself seriously (at least, since the first movie). The second one was all about "feelings" and the third one was dopey Arnold and lots of rehashed action scenes. At least this movie pushed the mythology HUGE strides forward! We got several new vehicles, came to understand how Reese and John Connor found each other, and quite honestly I thought the action was awesome, especially the Harvester scene. True, Moon Goodwhatever her name is SUCKED, but the little girl will have an important role to play over the next two movies, I guaran-fucking-tee you that. I'm not saying McG is an awesome director, but it seems like he put everything he could into this movie to make it look and feel like a true Terminator movie, something that T3 did NOT feel like at all (Mostow's directing on that movie was AWFUL). Ease up on this movie, guys, because T2 and T3 are not without its faults.
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I've never read such a hateful review in my life...that was so DEVOID of critical thought!!
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...it sucked. It started okay until I noticed that it displayed the title twice. As if we have forgotten what film we're seeing. Then, that line: "So, that's what death tastes like." What? Oh, did anyone notice how Marcus Wright had an Austrailian accent in the beginning of the movie, then, when he awoke in 2018, his accent was American, but after he was captured by the Resistance, it went back to Aussie? Any line that was supposed to sound cool or bada*s came off as stupid or irrelevant. The movie is non-stop noise. Constant gunfire, explosions, hellicopters, metal for clanky Machines (*ahem*robots*ahem*), screaming and yelling and hollaring. And then, when there actually is silence, you have to savor it because its only quiet for two seconds before another car blew up. All of the machines had terrible aim (you'd think the'd have some sort of target lock on mechanism in thier programming). Arnold S. served no purpose and his fight scene was completely unnecessary. The little girl served no purpose. There are giagantic machines, who come to take human prisoners, that at first glance you'd think they were loud when they walk and you'd hear them for 5 miles away, but no, they are actually completly silent untill it's d*mn near right next to you. I know, right? Bales Batman voice was very annoying for this role. Half of the time he's either screaming or talking into a walkie-talkie. And apperently, since being locked away surviving Judgement Day with his wife, between 2003 and 2018 Conner has lost all human emotion besides anger towards machines. I don't even think he loves his wife any more. After a conversation with Marcus Wright, Conner agrees with him and lets him go save Kyle Reese from SkyNet, Marcus starts to walk away after thier quiet conversation was over the Conner ust screams "WHAT ARE YOU?" (Oh, yeah, great timing, Conner. That question couldn't've been asked awhile ago when you had me captured?) This movie is simply for the people who go, "OOH! Car go boom!" This is a waste of money. Don't see it.
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Yes, I was unhappy with the Helena Bonham Carter scenes too. I'll give you that, Harry.
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They are European.
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EVER HEARD OF SARCASM U CUNT?
U EVEN BEEN READING THIS POST U FUKIN COCK BAG? -
Don't know why that movie had to be insulted in the context of the review of T4, but it was a decent film. So was X3.
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I never took the series seriously- the first movie had the best construction (chase movie, simple, zany concept, great pathos, etc.). T@ was overwrought with self-importance and had few moments that matched the first movie's simple elegance. T3 was cookie-cutter crap. And SALVATION was a post-MATRIX standard action flick. It wasn't good, it wasn't awful. It was average to the hilt. Sorry, but the series (save for the original) is nothing special. It's iconic, that's it's greatest accomplishment. Or I should say, that's the first TERMINATOR movie's lasting legacy. Grow up and move on, kids.
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featured, you may recall, a bunch of revolutionaries who wished to set off a nuclear bomb in Scotland. those of you who have enjoyed the ramblings of Scotsman75 will now appreciate why exactly they only sent a "crack squadron" of 6 to stop them. The Scottish, as a whole, are a ridiculously patriotic bunch, for some reason proud of a back garden full of hills and lakes, and the rancid smell of piss everywhere. they actually believe that Braveheart was true / historically accurate (check when kilts were actually first worn on the lochs, you fucking idiots). when they are not sexually molesting members of their own family, they are eating them or beating them senseless. those few Scotsmen who clock that this is a bullshit life (Connery, McGregor, Connolly) fuck off to live in Spain, London or LA as soon as they have enough cash to do so. every single time he calls someone a cunt or tells them to fuck off here, he gets a whopping 3 inch hard on and quickly wanks over his prized possessions, a flag and a pic of Mel in a skirt. please encourage him.
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Yes it's the worst of the series but it's not that bad. And Yack, T2 is a fucking classic. No matter how much attempt you attempt to minimize it's significance. One of the many reasons why T2 is a classic is because Cameron created a better Terminator then the T-800. The T-1000 is one of the best villains in movie history.
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I was also beng sarcastic. You are not curing cancer--so calm down!
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I just saw T4 in Korea in one of the best theaters I had ever been in. Huge screen, amazing digital sound... made me feel like I was back home in Westwood but 10 years in the future.
Anyway I had a great time.
I loved this movie and it made me want to see more.
I am not a professional reviewer type.
I guess I am a Terminator fan?
I cannot quote lines much or remember the ATM pin # John punches in during part 2.
But I like the series a lot.
This one was, so far, my favorite after part 1.
I just had a great time. Like I did in #2.
Now I cannot wait for the HOTTOYS 12 inch toys to ship.
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Fuck Harry, aren't you rich enough to upgrade this archaic site?
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After just watching the flic (at an old school drive in no less) I have to say that i feel the DOP had more of an impact on this film than Christian bale did.
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I would put out a hit on scotsman75. His stupidity is probably hurting their tourism trade.
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Dickblood makes me laugh, he also makes me cry, but he knows good movies from bad. He says this is good and I believe him. McG can rest easy. The apocalpyse is in safe hands.
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Because isn't that what happened when Journey to the Centre of the Earth came out same weekned as Hellboy 2 and you rubbished Journey so your mate Del Toro's movie did better - but did much, much worse? HARRY YOU ARE A CUNT. FUCK YOU FOREVER.
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I mena Star trek got one...favoritism Harry?
Anyways, doesnt open here in the Uk til June 3rd but my decision to not go see it sounds like a wise one at this point.
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Don't let that gruff, manly exterior fool you... he's been a butt pirate for ages(there, that should light up a certain Scotsman).BTW, Harry's review was(big surprise)way off the mark. Terminator Salvation isn't an actively bad movie; it just wasn't as good as it could have or should have been.
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I like the movie EXCEPT for that little black girl. I am so sick and tired of seeing "cute" little kids in movies. Another example that someone mentioned above is 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'. As soon as I saw Will Smith's little kid in it, I refused to go see it. Totally fucking turned me off.
The Arnold cameo was the best scene in the movie! All you fucking idiots who say that it looked like shit, What?!? Are you guys fucking crazy?! You dumbfucks obviously need glasses. It looked great! Especially his face. I'm so fucking tired of hearing guys complaining about CGI in movies, always saying it looks like shit as if though it could be improved. Like when teaser trailers come out and you idiots say 'Well, the CGI looks like shit now, but don't worry, they'll finish it up by the time the movie comes out.' Hey, guess what? Fucking news flash - it's NOT gonna get any better. You think they'd fucking release a trailer with unfinished CGI work? They're trying to get people into the theaters, you morons. Wake the fuck up!! The Arnold CGI scene couldn't look any better and it's not gonna look any better, that's as good as it gets and it looked damn great! So shut the fuck up already with your whining about CGI! If you would have seen this back in 1993 you guys KNOW you would have been going absolute APE SHIT over that scene. Quit being so goddamn jaded.
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Harry is fat!
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keep arguing quality all you want, for a 200m movie with christian bale this is a bomb
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On behalf of the entire Scottish population I actually felt the need to create an account and post an apology for Scotsman75. We're not all flaming retards, it's just him.
I've got mixed feelings about this Terminator film. I grew up playing 'future war' as a kid in my backgarden and I doubt this film could possibly live up to the expectations set by my imagination. Negative reviews aren't putting me completely off - even if this film is bad it's still one I want to see! -
He comes off like such a little pussy-ass punk in this movie.
I wish they would have cast someone else. -
These are the positive reviews in this post. Seems like some posters in here are letting their own personal feelings about Harry get in the way of honestly acknowledging that Terminator Salvation is a piece of crap. Yet, some others are just dissing Harry, and haven't even seen the movie. I HAVE SEEN IT. The movie has a great look, but as one poster acknowledged, most of the look of this movie has been lifted from other films (Matrix, Road Warrior, Transformers, etc.). It doesn't take a lot of creative effort to be a hack. In the theater I went to, the crowd actually groaned at the end of the movie, and I heard two people behind me shout out "that sucked". 'Nuff said. I'm not expecting Oscar material, but I would like to be entertained by a film without it being an uninspired, unimaginative, recycled, mindless piece of shit. Yes, Terminator Salvation is a bad movie. To all the Harry Knowles haters, don't let YOUR personal biases against him get in the way of honestly acknowledging that Terminator Salvation "was not a good movie". Where I come from, that means "bad". So you may agree with Harry for once, but it isn't the end of the world. For the record, I personally tend not to trust Harry's POSITIVE reviews, but usually the FEW NEGATIVE reviews he does give, tend to be dead on. Most posters in here are comparing this negative review to positive reviews of other films (which he nearly gives out like candy). However, if you want to make a true apples to apples comparison, compare this negative review to the few other negative reviews Harry gives, and you will probably notice that most of those films actually DO suck.
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Clearly the lions share of this movie was cribbed from other sources -- most notably The Road Warrior, to a somewhat lesser degree Children of Men and War of the Worlds (the remake), and even BSG -- but I found it to be entertaining. Clearly this McG guy is a raging hack, and this could have been a much better movie in the hands of a real director, but I still liked it and thought most of it worked, though a great deal was also kind of flat.
Aside from some of the awkwardly edited and paced scenes (which will probably be fixed / reconstituted for the extended dvd), the biggest problem with this movie is that we've seen it all before. There was nothing remotely approaching originality in either premise of execution. As much as I loathe T2, I do recall the excitement of the T-1000. Even though it was clearly a gimmick / efx workout which made no sense given the rules of time travel, but it was still something neat to see (even though the effect was first used in the Abyss, T2 updated that effect to a new level). T4, on the other hand, though a serviceable action movie with some cool set-pieces, didn't really bring anything new to the table.
All that said, I did like the movie. I thought the Marcus story arc (unresolved, sadly) was really cool and I dug Worthington. But far and away the best performance was Yelchin whose Kyle Reese was DEAD ON PERFECT. He had Biehn's speech patterns and mannerisms down pat, and not in an overt way, more subtle, believable. Other than that, I really enjoyed the action set-pieces (especially the bit at the gas station with the Giant Robot, molting Mototerminators, the HK (with additional War of the Worlds cattle car bin), and the Truck From The Road Warrior). So, yeah, I liked it. I wonder if this "trilogy" will actually happen, though? If it does, I hope they get a better director for the second one, cause this McG is clearly a Hack with a capital H.
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May 24, 2009 7:14:23 AM CDT
Terminator Salvation has made "$90 million" in 5 days
by harryblackpotter
And you say it's a flop? Get a grip. It's a success. But how quickly it will recoup $200 million is guess work. The Hollywood Insider is predicting good business (in spite of neg reviews), and the world wide tally will be HUGE. And the overseas reviews have been far more positive.
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But still a success.
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Big fucking whoop. The biggest walkout I ever saw in the cinema was Cronenberg's Crash when Spader cornholled the Ninja Turtles guy. About 12 people(mostly guys). Now, I'm guessing they walked out on TS because of the alarming lack of AVID farts and headache inducing Bay cuts. Fucking amateur retards.
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In any case I don't believe that story about a mass walkout on TS. I totally call bullshit on that one. Walking out on Wolverine? Totally believable. But not on TS.
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I was surprised to agree with Harry. The movie was just lazy. It had no spark. We get a cyborg that, because they show us him donating his body, has no surprise factor. So we have the cyborg who can heal like Wolverine, but SkyNet still hasn't even made T800's yet? They have plasma cannons on moto-terminators but their T600's still have gatling guns? And they have all these display screens for ... who to look at? So much wrong with the film. They never gave us a reason to give a damn about Connor. Bale just seemed ... empty. I think it was more the direction, the way it was captured, than the performance.
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May 24, 2009 8:19:13 AM CDT
I ALMOST WALKED OUT AFTER THE INGLORIOUS BASTERDS TRAILER
by bringingsexyback
But the Bruno trailer kept me in my seat.
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I agree - I think the movie is hampered by bad editing, poor direction, and an overall weak cast. Only Bale, Yelchin, Worthington and Bloodgood were professional. Again, I don't know if my interpretation of that scene matches McG's intent - if it did, I give him great credit. If not, that's okay because like any work the audience takes what it wants from it. I still think it's a small critical moment for Blair/Marcus.
Does it justify her letting him go? No. Not logically. Logically she would have appealed to Connor to at least keep him "alive" for the chance that he's not a baddie.
But it's a movie. You gotta throw caution to the wind if you're gonna at least try to get your entertainment money's worth. Some movies are impossible to abide - like Wolverine. I just don't think this was that bad - in fact, it's pretty damned good IMO. -
More and More when I read your reviews I have to question your judgement. Even in this one-- terminator 3 was aweful and salvation so much better. But overall, you so often "love" movies that end up being crappy I'm amazed at how you crap all over this movie.
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Someone else pointed out you gave Van Helsing a pass, but you brand this one a turd (flaming). I find this one way more action packed and fun. I mean I get it is not on par with 1&2, but it isn't as flaccid as 3.
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in which Skynet spends it's time talking to itself with-in Marcus instead of sealing the deal on Connor and Reese. Heh. Considering Skynet IS the chip in Marcus, it seemed totally redundant and mind baffling dumb.
Skynet... tis a silly place.
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Stealth mode, baby.
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T4 is EVERY bit as terrible as you said it was - if not worse. I honestly can't believe anyone could like this pile of shit. I have to believe that they're just wowed by the FX work and once that wears off, they'll wake up.
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Wowsers, that was actually surprising.
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to this film as opposed to the other films comes down to the foundation these films were built upon.
Van Helsing was a complete shitfest, but it wasn't a direct sequel of a better film. It merely was one off that just existed in it's own world.
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T4 had a foundation that was built before it and Harry just felt it completely derailed. It's as simple as that.
I can see why people can enjoy T4, because it had decent production values and had little nuggets of characterization.
But as a whole it felt more like a very expensive previs that needed a lot more molding and a more focused narrative. The 3 stories could have been a triumph if handled better.
I was really disappointed and feel MCG didn't really bring anything to the table. That said I think he could have been better as a producer with someone else at the helm. -
Thats good, so did I. Its flawed, sure, but I was entertained. I had no real expectations other than a cool/fun action movie and thats what I got. It won't go down in history as anything special, but I liked it.
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Did it crawl for days and hide behind the bush to await it's directive for the "dun tah daaaah" Skynet directive?
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this film doesnt deserve a dedicated TB
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It's much easier for the dumb fucking kids to text message each other during another Stiller snoozefest.
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yeah all the people stayed in the theater til the end, but when it was over. they just shuffled out not saying a word, as if they just saw something "meaningful" i know i just set you guys up to say it WAS meaningful..dammit people just werent walking out excited as ive seen in films past..they were just "oh? its over. guess i'll go home now."
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yeah the more i think about the film, the more it really just annoys me that they got so much wrong. i felt the Resistance was too HITECH, i always liked that they were tunel rats.and the more i think about it, they should have just left Marcus out totally...what was his purpose plotwise in the whole scheme of things?
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perfect for this family oriented weekend.
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Fucking agree with EVERYTHING Harry just said. Fuck, Fuck, FUCCCCCCCK!
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i stated before, i wanted to like it. i usually take reviews lightly. the trailers REALLY had me in a good mood--EXTRACT, BRUNO, HANGOVER (i havent heard that many people laugh in a theater in a long time!), and SHERLOCK HOLMES let my guard down. its just that, i hate to say sound like a fucking fanboy, i wouldve done something different. they really shouldve concentrated solely on John. it seems like Marcus' sole role was to have a "good robot" because that's what people think the terminator saga is now. the good robot shouldve just been T2's element and moved on from there.
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That's such bullshit.
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you can twist it anyway you want it. if a shitty film makes money, you can say people are dumb and theyll see anything. if a great film makes money, then the masses were right on. if a shitty film doesnt make money at the box office, then it was "too dark" (in T4s case, this will be their defense). BLAHBLAHBLAH...T4 will not make what was expected from a FIVE DAY opening HOLIDAY weekend. this was the sole purpose to having this weekend, they wanted this film to open huge..SPIDERMAN huge, PIRATES huge, TDK huge. alas it was not to be and endwise labeled a failure. it will make money overseas, barely recoup its budget. sequels to follow.
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I gave up arguing with you because I got tired of winning, but to answer your question about why the Newt-Ripley thing worked for me is that Ripley WAS a mother previous to meeting Newt, so her mother instincts kicked in when she met Newt, and worked, and was awesome. The Terminator, on the other, is a Fucking ROBOT ASSASSIN FROM THE FUTURE and has no business being a father figure, unless, of course, you need to sell tickets to the Middle Class Family Film Demographic which is EXACTLY the market for T2.
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Connor world collapsing of crushed hope. It should have been a set-up to Connor trying to stay strong when everything he was told is playing out before his eyes.
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this also had me drifting through the film. surely ALL of MANKIND doesnt have the same objective..to destroy SKYNET. there would be some rival factions roaming the earth in attempt to control whats left. and another thing, i felt that the film wasnt EPIC enough. i felt that this was only happening in California (thanks for the help Arnold) and not globally. Skynet wiped out everything, i wouldve liked to seen the results, other than deserted 7-11s. am i asking too much
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From a technical / directorial / editing standpoint, T2 is better. But from a story / context standpoint, T:S is WAY better. WAY more interested in awkwardly, amateurly executed FUTURE! FUCKING! WAR! than cloying, insipid, unintentionally hilarious, pandering ROBODADDY FALL DOWN GO BOOM: The Moviefilm. Too bad James "Overrated" Cameron didn't have the balls to make a Future War movie in 1991 instead of the Family Friendly Children's Adventure Film known as T2. Too bad. Now we got McG (aka Hackus Maximus) making a servicable, if flawed, action pic that COULD have been brilliant, but turned out just good-enough-for-a-summer-actioner.
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it took you this long to get that shitty answer????yes the terminator was a BADASS ROBOT ASSASSIN. he still is, but JOHN HIMSELF programmed him to PROTECT young John. John, as a young boy, still has some semblance of a normal kid. he doesnt want to kill people. (did you at his age???) he's not gonna order the deaths of hundreds of cops (FAMILY MEN doing theyre fucking jobs) jsut cause he can. put down the fruity pebbles and grow the fuck up. in T2, show me a person that the terminator shouldve rightfully killed. and you cant say the beginning bar fight cause all he wanted was clothes. this was a version (pretty good on IMO) of the clothes scene in the T1. and before you snipe and say he KILLED those 3 punks, they never showed that last death after the guy started taking off his clothes. furthermore, in the first film, there are many more opportunites for Arnold to kill (him being assassin and all) yet HE DOESNT...it was on cable last night.he has a prime mission and the cyborg i guess can deem necessary when to extract TOTAL BADASSNESS. once again, nice try sweetie. but NOW school is out. enjoy your holiday bitch.
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WOO-HOO
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you YOURSELF are saying that T4 wasnt a good film..it was flawed.yadayada. McGs a hack and such. honestly ask yourself--WAS THIS THE FUTURE WAR YOU WANTED??? AND HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR??? once again, i see that you dont understand--not once in T2 or T3 more that matter, did Arm=nold come out and say--I want to be your daddy. John, having never had a stable parent, let alone father figure, latches on to the only THING that really truly "cared" for him...A TERMINATOR. yes, his mother loves him and wanted to keep him safe for mankind's salvation, but the terminator filled that void he has lacked. THATS CALLED IRONY!!!!! not selling out and being hokey..obviously this flew way the fuck over your head. its also good to see you stopped calling Cameron "diminishing Returns" since i owned you on that one..yes, that just happened.
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im glad you mentioned ROBODADDY. what the fuck?? were you blowing the guy next to you during the scene when the pilot FELL IN LOVE with MARCUS???? yeah, you must have missed that. this woman risks all of mankind's future cause she got a little wet tween the thighs??? i "agree" with you that technically T2 is the better film, but T2 also bests this film in pure plot mecahnics. if you had a problem with the robodaddy shit, then how the fuck can you give this a pass???? i expect my answer in 2 weeks.
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1-lay off the whores.2-if you do need whores, kill them afterwards and steal their money3-share needles, its cheaper4-save gas in your car and joyride in another5-skip Terminator Salvation and watch T1 and T2 at home.
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is taking that deludes him enough to actually believe that that dumb hollow movie called T4 was either good or came even close to T2? Because I want some! It must be good shit if it can make you believe that T4 even has a fucking story. I know Laser knows nothing about film (for fucks sake he does nt even know what the word hack means) but to claim T4 has a better story than T2? Well thats impossible because T2 actually had a story while T4 is just a series of action scenes with some quite time inbetween...
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because he has such an insane hatred of Cameron that he so desperately need to believe that what he's saying is true. He really is that pathetic....But dont worry dude the jokes on him, T4 has gotten mostly bad reviews and its underperforming (got beat by fucking Night at the museum for fucks sake), and if it drops big due to bad word of mouth, its going to be seen as a flop....So he can keep repeating the same crap like a stuck record like he always does, but T4 will never have the success of T2, either commercial or critical...
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he cant come here for 2 weeks running his mouth off and then see the film and go "YOU WERE RIGHT" hes a bitch. had i walked out slightly entertained, i wouldve have sacked up and said so. and i was to a point. for all the action people are talking about, i didnt see it. there really was about 3 ACTION scenes, none..maybe one, where i was invested in. i just really wasnt involved the way they had hoped me to be.
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Wasdisappointing
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Cameron's a hack and Mcg's thereal deal?...bwa ha aha ha....ok man..whatever. Please for the love of God Laser consult a dictionary and find out what a hack actually is..
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what really upsets me is the McG was just SELLING this film..he really wanted everyone to like it, and im sure he was kissing people's asses. He WANTED to prove himself so bad, it came off as desperate..Cameron doesnt give a shit. he makes films. for all the flak that he got for TITANTIC before its release (and after), he put his money where his mouth is. He made a great film. NOT THE GREATEST. but techanically and whatnot, it was pretty damn great. I GAVE A SHIT ABOUT ALL THOSE CHARACTERS. it didnt look like shit. probably the last epic made IMO
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what really upsets me is the McG was just SELLING this film..he really wanted everyone to like it, and im sure he was kissing people's asses. He WANTED to prove himself so bad, it came off as desperate..Cameron doesnt give a shit. he makes films. for all the flak that he got for TITANTIC before its release (and after), he put his money where his mouth is. He made a great film. NOT THE GREATEST. but techanically and whatnot, it was pretty damn great. I GAVE A SHIT ABOUT ALL THOSE CHARACTERS. it didnt look like shit. probably the last epic made IMO TITANIC will be remembered long after T4
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a coward to boot. I was skeptical of this movie, but I was willing to give it a chance. But the simple reality is that McG just shat the bed. If it had actually been a good movie, i would have admitted to being wrong too. But this dickhead (and all those other sad delusional assholes that were yelling about how this film would rock) are now either just curiously nowhere to be seen, or they pull the craziest shit out of thier asses to still try and convince someone, anyone that they were right...
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Bitch puhhleeease! The last 15 minutes of that movie are so stupidly written it's unbelievable. So Marcus worked for Skynet all along? Then why the fuck didn't he kill both Kyle and John when he could? And hows come all the Skynet facilities are made so a human can operate them? Why the fuck can a bike-robot be ridden by John Connor? The robots made fucking handles on that thing so a human can control it? WTF Skynet? Are you maybe programmed to lose the war or something? I could go on and on, but what's the point? Not like anything I say is gonna change anyone's mind about this movie....
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has no balls, he just desperately wants people to like him and his movies. He'slike a used carsalesman, he tries to second guess what he thinks an audiance wants and he has no vision or point of view of his own. He wants to sell a movie rather than actually create something first and foremost....
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though. Because he is seriously in delusional....
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1. When SkyNet (in the form of Helena Bonham Carter's digital head) starts the whole monologue which discloses the evil plot to Marcus Wright, did anyone else get a bad flashback of the Architect talking to Neo in Matrix Reloaded? 2. I can understand a human having the narcissistic need to expose their diabolic plan to the hero of the movie, but would a MACHINE really need to do this?3. So SkyNet tells Marcus Wright that he was created to do what all the other Terminators failed to do, which is lure John Connor to his death. Now maybe I'm missing something, but since the 2018 (or whatever year) SkyNet hasn't even done these things yet, how does it know about these failures of more advanced and upgraded Terminators that it hasn't even created yet?4. Did Sarah Connor also leave tapes for SkyNet to listen to just to catch it up to speed? Or did they capture all this information from Arnold's arm.5. Wouldn't it be in mankind's best interest if Kyle Reese and John Connor actually die? After all, if John Connor never existed, SkyNet never sends Arnold back in the past to kill Sarah Connor in the first place. Furthermore, said Arnold does not leave arm back in the past after battling Kyle Reese, thus providing the fragment of technology instrumental to the creation of SkyNet. If Kyle Reese is never sent back in time, John Connor never exists to threaten the machines, and thus initiate all these time travel shennanigans that actually create SkyNet in the first place. Kill Kyle Reese before he goes back in time and Judgement Day, John Connor, SkyNet and these bad movies never even happen.6. Is SkyNet a villain from the 60's Batman TV show? You know, the type of villain that doesn't kill the hero at the most opportune moment, but instead derives more pleasure in torturing and goading the hero to the point of reversal of fortune in lieu of certain victory.7. Could the rumored John Connor/Marcus Wright flesh suit script been a more interesting movie ending than the crap i actually saw?8. Did Christian Bale actually give a shit about performing in this movie? I couldn't tell if he was acting or sleep walking.9. Sure the movie LOOKS good, but can anyone that actually gives a rat's ass about little things such as plot, dialogue, and acting really call this a good movie?10. C'mon, really? After watching Terminator Salvation, I think I know what death tastes like, too. The death of two hours of my life that I can never get back.11. Is it that easy to do heart transplants in post-apocolyptic America? Hell, I've heard of medics saving people in the field of war, but a fucking heart transplant? We aren't talking stitches or amputating an injured limb, but a fucking heart transplant.12. Will John Connor reject Marcus Wright's heart? Of course not, they have more crappy T movies to make in the future.
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their bitch, bought and paid for. And it appears he is a really big liar. All that bullshit about not shooting for a rating and being inspired by TDK....what a load of shit. There was nothing in T4 that came close to being R rated. It was actually really bloodless and tame. Like McG this movie has no balls....
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many things to get into....
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the director of Charlies Angels and the writers of Catwoman would make a better terminator movie than Cameron?
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Dude, its hilarious how the longer this debate goes on, the more you practically admit that the reason T2 sucks has nothing to do with quality filmmaking, but that it had stuff you just didn't want to see. You reasons are becoming more and more obviously subjective.
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About the English WWII propaganda film?
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It isn't unwatchable-Speed-Racer-misfire-bad. It's a really goofy, brainless, yet lightly entertaining experience, just something you'd expect from a good B-movie. If anything, go see for the bravura swashbuckling heroics of Sam Worthington in full Mad-Max mode. I had my reservations about this unknown dude, but even with his come and go Australian accent throughout the film's run, the guy is the real deal. I'm talking, he can be Russell Crowe level good with the right material and director. He just needs the right breakout star part; this wasn't it though, which is McG's shame (off to movie jail with you!). Oh, and see it for the amazing second unit action sequences direction of Charles Gibson. Remeber that name, because in Hollywood as flawed as it is, always spots talent. This guy will be helming his own successful movies some day.
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You asked me that question two weeks ago? Yikes! I guess I don't care enough? See, I have what they call A Life, so, sometimes, most times, I just post stuff, pwning tools like yourself, and then leaving and forgetting about it. YOU, on the other hand, seem DESPERATELY OBSESSED with anything and everything I say, which, of course, means I Win and You Lose.
A chick falling in love with a dude who just Saved Her Fucking Life? Yeah, that makes sense to me. I mean, it was totally B-Movie and trashy, BUT SO ARE ALL OF THE TERMINATOR MOVIES. And, yes, Sexual Connection is INFINITELY cooler than WOBODADDY!!! DONT GO!!! WE WUB WOO!!! WEE WUB WOOOOO! WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Seriously, dude, I think maybe you need to get laid or something. It miiight help take the edge off. You know, physical contact with a human female who you aren't related to or have paid for? Thats my diagnosis -- all the sperm is backing into your brain causing acute developmental disorders. Please, for your own sake, get that taken care of. Please? -
When did I ever say that McG was the real deal? Do you actually ever even read my posts? Or do you just see T2 Sucks and go into Obese Virgin Rage Mode? Try and read what I wrote. If anything, I was giving Cameron credit for being a better director.
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Would the director of Charlies Angels and the writers of Catwoman would make a better terminator 4 movie than Cameron? Yes he just did. Since Cameron didn't made it, that makes McG the winner.
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May 24, 2009 11:07:45 AM CDT
A chick falling in love with a dude who just Saved Her Fucking L
by theplant
You mean T1 hahaha, all those T4 bashers, would have been amongst the T1 bashers on the web back in the day. Hell, Harry would have trashed T1 plain and simple just for the bad miniature future war sfx.
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Sorry to break it to you, but ALL CRITICISM IS SUBJECTIVE. I just blew your fuckin' mind didn't I?
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May 24, 2009 11:22:21 AM CDT
Don't Get Me Wrong, T4 Was Def Flawed, AS ARE ALL OF THEM
by laserpants
But I liked it WAY more than T2. Because T2 COMPLETELY BETRAYS THE PREMISE, softens it up, serves it as a Middle Class Family Film for Children. And I have gone on AT LENGTH about why this is so. That T2 is a more competently constructed film than T4 doesn't matter if the story and context is totally LAME. And T2 was L-A-M-E. The editing in T4 was atrocious. I totally agree. And McG is a hack. I totally agree. BUT I thought the action set-pieces were cool, and much more fun than anything in T2. In addition, I liked Marcus and Reese. The moppet was unnecessary except to make girlfriends go "aww!" I thought it mostly worked well, but McG is clearly a hack and I hope, if this continues, that they hire a better director.
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Is about one of the few plot elements that makes some sense on the surface. Problem is, it's underdeveloped and gets short screen time. In that respect, it doesn't even compare to the Kyle Reese/Sarah Connor love story that virtually had most of the T1 film to develop. Of course, giving that sort of time in T4 would have caused one of the other plot elements to get neglected...you know, the ones involving John Connor, Kyle Reese, and other characters that are actually more integral to the Terminator franchise. That being said, it's not that the T4 love story doesn't make sense from a character standpoint, it just doesn't really fit into the overall story being told. It's more a matter that if you aren't going to do something right, don't do it at all. The romance angle would have been better left out altogether.
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THATS your definition of IRONY? "I expected that the Terminator would want to kill my son, but, it turns out, he's really more of a Father Figure!" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! DUDE, YOU are AWESOME!!! Now I KNOW your only 12 years old. I bet you're BIG Alanis Morrisette fan too... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! "Irony"! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You are the KingDouche. You rule, man, have a nice day, and thanks for the laugh...
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here's why - the studios are more than happy to produce boring, flaccid shit if they make decent returns...Wolverine, Fantastic Four, Electra, Catwoman...Most aren't in this to be storytellers, they are fucking bean counters...We should all be hoping for a Batman Forever box office massacre, so the studio actually hires GOOD writers and a GOOD director...If T:$ does "ok", then there will be no change, no improvement. Don't reward those bastards when they don't deserve it; support them when they actually make good movies, not shite...
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Watching it is a strangely disjointing experience. Whole sub-plots are raised and then forgotten. Do I feel the need to see a super duper uncut DVD version? Not really. If they can't get it right the first time for theaters, f*** 'em. That's not my concern. Be competent enough to cut together a compelling, coherent narrative with the material you have on hand. WB is obviously going to try for a sequel; if so, they need a better director and a competent screenplay from a good writer. Terminator movies don't need to be Hamlet, but geez, just look at the '90's work of director Andrew Davis (Under Seige and The Fugitive). Summer action movies can be fun AND smart too.
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No, but it's far better than most wish to admit. People seem to focus more on their own nostalgia surrounding the films of the past than the merits of those films. Few seem to want to admit that the first Terminator film was little more than a "killer on the loose" flick that just happened to be a Austrian cyborg from the future. James Cameron created a fun little universe to play in, but it ain't the work of genius that Harry and others see through their rose-tinted glasses. Let's not forget the cheese-laden T2 with Furlong teaching Ahnold how to smile and hurl hilarious insults like, "Chill out, dickwad."
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Because usually, criticism points out flaws in the filmmaking process, whether its storytelling or the technical side. You, however, just continue on about how "I didn't wanna see this in a Terminator, that's why it sucks! Why can't you nerds see that?!? Blah blah blah..."
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Its really quite humorous. I'm not attacking you, I'm just pointing out something you may not have realized. Unless you're trying to entertain the rest of us.
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how many times did Mrcus save the pilot? one??? how many times did Arnold save John and Sarah in T2??? i lost count there were so many times. you're right, i dont need to school you anymore and make you look like a complete fucking jackass. You're doing a pretty good fucking job on your own.
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ignorance is never to be forgiven. never
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thats' techanically NOT the definition of irony, but a USE of it. had Cameron spent his time in 91 trying to sell this movie , rather than , you know make one, he wouldve gladly explained that for you in the EPK. the very instrument that wants to destroy is NOW protecting you. that is why it is a sequel (one of the best i might add!) and not just a retread of the original. it takes the original premiseand CONTINUES the fucking story.
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its a decent action movie. the dialogue is weak, but thankfully there isnt much of it. the only thing that rubs me wrong is the gimped ending.
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I actually walked out of The Mexican. I just couldn't take it. Plus, it was at the $2 theater.
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Why all the personal hate for McG? The level of insults being hurled at the poor guy is really pathetic.
If you hate his movie, that's fine (though I would add that in general you guys expect way too much from every movie... no one sets out to make a classic... a few movies once in a while turn out to be perfection.. the rest aren't neccessarily an instant failure). But why does him making a movie you didn't like call for endless personal attacks?
I remember when the talkbacks used to be full of people who actually liked movies. As in, more than 0.7% of movies. Now they are just filled to the brim with internet hate jockeys spewing their venom in a vain attempt to prop up their own struggling self images by attempting to knock down those who have actually achieved something.
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Big explosions! Yelling! No intelligence!
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May 24, 2009 12:31:05 PM CDT
there have been plenty of great moives with 0 intelligence
by bmacsmith
i dont want nothing but deep movies. this isnt great, but its a functional action movie. I didnt get why people said the action scenes were pointless. they made sense for the story to me. There were no NEo-Smith Reloaded fights (pointless and nonsensical). Maybe the nuked helicopter was close.it does unravel at the end, though. the heart transplant makes no sense whatsoever. really awful ending.
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you know what i mean
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Though I'll agree with you that there isnt a british accent, calling Scotland, England and Wales countries, is no more accurate then calling Texas or Hawaii countries. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has a single seat of government, a single currency and most importantly a single vote in the UN, not multiple as they would if they were actually recognized as seperate countries by the rest of the world. Montenego is a Country, Scotland not a Country.
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am i the only one that liked most of it but hated the bullshit reshot ending? it made no sense at all. who is just gonna give up their heart so easily? and how in the fuck is Connor gonna survive a heart transplant? the more i think about it, the more it pisses me off. i thought it was fun up to that point. if they had any balls at all they would have kept the original ending. despite fanboy nerd rage, it was a solid story twist and would have given the writers room to be creative, instead of sticking to rigid geek expectations. pretty much ruins any future movies for me. I gave McG a lot of slack, but he really dropped the ball on the end.
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With the number of people writing that it, "isn't that bad," would it be possible for someone to do a re-edit in the same vein as The Phantom Edit? From Harry's review, it sounds like the badness permeates the flick to the point where it's irredeemable. It doesn't sound like simply "cutting out Jar Jar" is possible. Debate!
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If you want to hate on the number one movie of the Summer you've missed the boat completely. Haven't seen one person mention it but Monsters vs. Aliens is the the #1 box office movie this Summer, $192,990,864 so far, Star Trek $183,585,019 and Wolverine $163,053,737, just saying.
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Monsters vs. Aliens came out when??? the summer limped to a start with Wolverine and the masses lapped it up. i'll take the summer of 1991 anyday over 2009 so far.
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While scotsman75 may be an absolute idiot, don't go around posting ignorant nonsense. The UK IS comprised of three countries (England, Scotland, N.Ireland), and is recognised as such. Wales is often described as a country, and to most intents and purposes it is, but technically, it's a principality). It's not a matter of them sharing a singular currency or having one UN vote, nor are their geo-political and geographical standings even remotely comparable to US states. Sorry dude, but those are FACTS; it's not really up for debate. So scotsman75 is technically correct(although it doesn't stop him from being a ranting loon).
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May 24, 2009 1:44:58 PM CDT
BIGGEST BLOCKBUSTER OF THE SUMMER: LASER VS. SIX DEMON
by bringingsexyback
Now this is epic entertainment.
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Actually, Scotland is a country. As is Wales, England and Northern Ireland. However what they are not are nation-states.
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and i brought my A-game
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I'm curious, do I get my two hours back after this sci-channel uninspired piece of shit film?
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May 24, 2009 2:11:28 PM CDT
Saw it and now have a raging hard-on for T1, 2 and Aliens
by phoenixflames
Come back, James Cameron, your 'I'm the King of the World' shit is all forgiven. Just save us from hacks like McG. For the love of God, man, save us from McGeeeeeeeeee!!!
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"The purists didn't like it, but give me a chance to make it up and I'll hit a home run." McG, if you're reading this, walk away from the camera and enjoy the time you now have not destroying, like a soul-sucking ghoul, the memories of much-loved movies.
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A memory dump of my thoughts after watching Terminator: Salvation
The continuity issue is really more about a timeline subtle change and the apparent setting up of multiple timelines (ALA STAR TREK) given the apparent knowledge Skynet seems to possess in this movie about who is who. You'll see what I mean after you see the movie.
Not to mention the fact that some of the dialogue is just silly and poorly delive