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JURASSIC PARK 3 rolling forward slowly
Hey folks Harry here, just got done reading this article by Michael Fleming and Chris Petrikin on the third JURASSIC PARK movie and it set me to wondering about the project, the series and where it is headed.
I've never been quite 100% sated by the series so far, and in all honesty I still prefer THE VALLEY OF GWANGI simply for the personality and dynamics. While thinking about a third installment, I keep thinking back to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's THE LOST WORLD and what a wonderful structure that story had for Dinosaur mayhem. I mean... Is what we want really Dinosaurs loose in populated areas eating lots of people? Or would we simply prefer 3 people washing ashore as castaways, having survived some terrible accident only to find themselves on an island of dinosaurs.
I don't know which direction they are going to go for this next film, but I just hope it works on the script level with intense character situations. Strong character development is what I crave most. I want characters that I legitamately care for. And please.... no children this time. Please.
Of course with Joe Johnston directing I really am excited. His OCTOBER SKY was one of the better films I've seen this year and his THE ROCKETEER really spoke volumes about adventure. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
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Please, God, NO!
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why can't they just leave it alone?
i mean, spielberg's made a pretty sharp exit(smart move) and i cant see there being anyone else that could possibly match what he gave us all with the first one. I wonder if jeff goldblum has learnt his lesson and will steer clear of this project as well....
Just look at the directors that have been mentioned - Jan DeBont, his last man against nature flick was twister and that had to have been the single worst script ever to make it onto the big screen and Stephen Sommers - right, i can just imagine a camp take on the lost world story.........sigh -
the way i see it, is that this seiries really needs someone to sit down and actually think about where it is going, and whether it is going to follow the chrichton mold, or follow its own lead...Lost World was an ok, movie, with lots of rehash on the island and a scene in San diego that at first seemed really cool, until you think of the number of civilians (people who were just minding their business) killed. And yet we had to water it down by chasing the poor T-rex into the hold of the ship and setting it on its merry way. Didnt that piss any one off? In america, a dog that mangles a persons foot is put to sleep, a circus lion that attacks a trainer is killed, but a giant dinosaur monster that eats people and causes thousands if not millions of dollars of property damage is sent back to monster island because it has a baby??? Come on, this series needs a re-think, because its basically an adult dinosaur killing story, watered down JUST enough so that every kid in america can own the toy....so the kids get something thats really too violent for them, and the adults get something watered down to a hokey point.
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What this series needs is to go back to the original book, where the raptors are loose in Costa Rica. It could turn the movie into a very intense thriller, where they have to hunt the raptors in the jungle or in little towns, not knowing where they'll show up. It would also deal with the consequences of cloning the dinosaurs in the first place without being so contrived as "The Lost World." Of course, then they wouldn't get their precious shots in of the T-Rex, but I'm sure they could fit that in somehow. What do you think? Oh yeah, it would work best with an "R" rating probably, so I wonder if Universal would have the guts to do that.
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I remember when I first saw Jurassic Park...it was a fantastic film, great effects, belivable characters, an interesting and frightening idea. It had almost everything! I mean almost because when I read the actual Crichton book I found out there was much more and interesting stuff; but Jurassic Park delivered. When The Lost World came out (first as a book) I rapidly bought a copy and devoured it. I loved it...each page had the same magic as JP, and the best thing: it also had a message, another scientific theory (much like the Chaos one in JP) regarding extinsion. When the movie opened I ran to the movie place and was hugely disappointed... an afro-american daughter for Malcom??? Hammond as a saint? Whatever happened to Richard Levine??? The actors were ok, but 5-6 min. sequence of them dangling on a cliff became BO-RI-NG. This film lacked everything the first one had... and the worst part: DINOS in LA??? For God's Sake!!! It just sucked big!
Then there was a computer game calles Tressapasser with the voices of Minnie Driver and Lord Richard Attenborough ("Welcome, to Jurassic Park"), and the game was everything the film was not: intelligent dinosaurs, pack hunters, NO children, best of all: ENTERTAINING.
My suggestion would be that they stop going back to the 50's serials of Dinosaurs attacking people in the city, and return to the original JP storyline with Crichton. Please, Steven, DO NOT alter the story, leave it as it was! DO NOT take credits as writer, stick to your nature and handle emotions through your directing, leave Crichton the writing of the screenplay, and for Pete's sake... don't bring Dinos to the main land. -
in his article Harry said: "Or would we simply prefer 3 people washing ashore as castaways, having survived some terrible accident only to find themselves on an island of dinosaurs." HARRY, MY GOD have you seen this new video release called DEEP RISING?? MAN that would be AWESOME!! Stick Treat Williams in it!! Dinosaur Island with Treat Williams!!! WOOOHOO!!!It would be "Deep rising II: Jurrasic Park III" GO MAN GO!!! This idea would ROCK and rock HARD!!! I LOVE TREAT Williams Movies!!!(Why cant anybody make a sequel to DEAD HEAT?) YEAH!!! --McK out!!!! oh yeah and Rocket Boys, err..."October Sky" rocked hard, as well as that mildly entertaining flick "The Rocketeer" Joe Johnson will do fine at this!!!
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Anyone who wants to see CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT in a Jurassic Park movie is missing the boat. (Harry, that includes you.) I agree about your "no children, please" comment, but I couldn't give a shit about the characters in the movies. Spielberg said from day one on the first Jurassic Park that THE DINOSAURS WERE THE MAIN CHARACTERS. That's why people went to see these movies because of the kick ass real looking scary as hell dinosaurs. NOT because of ANY of the characters. Oh, by the way, please no more Goldblum, either.
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At least they got a better director than that idiot spielburg. though it will still suck just like everything else spielburg lends his name to. raiders & jaws are the only exceptions to that hack's piss poor resume.
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is this guy trying to fill the talkback void of saying something 'controversial' to provoke some of us into a response and get into another pointless argument? it's these kinda people that completely alter the purpose of the talkback forum and pisses everyone off.
spielberg is one of the best film makers we have at the moment, certainly one of the most versatile, contributing some of the most memorable films of our generation, not just raiders and jaws........this guy, 'spielberg sucks', sucks.... -
Here's what Hollywood wants: The President's plane has crashed somewhere in Site B and the US is sending in their best Navy Seals to go get them. Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, Mel Gibson and Arnold Schwarzenegger are the Seals that have to go get him. Will Smith as the President and the first lady is Julia Roberts. And of course, they have 2 kids and they will be FULL CGI.
What we want: I agree with the reviewer, strong character development, make us care when a character gets eaten. Surprises, what a concept. Why not have the main character get eaten as he saves the other characters? A little CGI is fine. Let me repeat myself. A little CGI is okay. But don't go Lucas on us. Think abstractly, do something that's never been done. I know that's a tall order, but try. What do you think we'll get?????
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It is unlikely we will see crowds of people running from dinosaurs trampelling and chewing them up.
This is what was missing from the first JP(that, and a soul).
I think the novelty of realistic dinosaurs and cardboard humans has just about worn off though. But if Greedberg does another one, then by all means: DITCH the brats--unless they are going to be on the menu.
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What this movie really needs is a one-on-one duel between a ferocious T-Rex and a super-intelligent killer mammoth!
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I'm 100% against you on the children thing, Harry. The children were the highlights of the human characters. Okay, not the highlights, but they were not out of place. Film geeks in general aren't fond of kids in film I've noticed. Unless the kids really shine, they aren't too popular. Mostly among poeple in the Talkbacks. But Spielberg was the main reason for the children because he could relate to them better than the bland unlikable adults(okay, Attenborough was good). And frankly, I think they should forget making more Jurassic Park movies without Spielberg. Lost World wasn't very good because Spielberg's heart wasn't in it. He made that movie to sever his ties to Universal and so he could move on to Dreamworks. That's it! There was only one really good scene in the movie, and it was taken right out of the first movie! Let's face it, if Spielberg couldn't get much good out of the last sequel, any lesser director (everybody else in Hollywood who makes these kinds of fantasy-adventure movies) would completely blow chuncks. Forget JP, they should get Spielberg to make the Arthur Conan Doyle Lost World, that book could use a decent movie version for a change.
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No, actually, what this movie needs is not to be made. Loved JP1 and thought JP2 was OK until about mid way through, when I started yawning. Let's have some new ideas and leave the Dino hits Manhattan crap far behind.
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I may be one of the only people in my Chubb Institute class who loved The Lost World. My hope is that JP3 will kick some major ass and end the saga on a high note. No Jurassic Park prequels please.
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How about the dinosaurs get established inside a forest or national park - not a city. A forest setting is more realistic and won't seem contrived. Then the army / air force wants to go in thereand kill them, just kill them all. But one group of scientists think there must be a better way. A simple plot, to be sure, but is that any worse than JP 2??? Until next time, I remain Darth Sidious / Senator Palpatine's next apprentice...DARTH RAGE.
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Am I the only one who thought Lost World frickin' rocked? JP1 was a load of crap - people staring in wonderment with their mouths open. At least JP2 got rid of that crap - the kid was a million times better, and it was pure campy action! T-Rex in San Diego was brilliant.
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First off, I thought TLW kicked major ass! The story of the original JP was better, especially since Sam Neill's Grant is a better hero than Goldblum's Malcolm. I mean, wasn't Malcolm a little too DIE HARD-ish in TLW? I thought he was a mathmetician in the first one, and somehow he becomes Crocodile Dundee in the sequel! But, other than that, I thought the movie had better effects than TITANIC (which won the Visual Effects Oscar that year), and was a great thrill ride. It was miles above THE MUMMY or DEEP BLUE SEA and even THE PHANTOM MENACE. What should happen in JP3, is the dinos migrate off Site B, back to the Isla Nublar. They discover the abandoned original Jurassic Park, where US Attorneys are now on a fact finding mission for a class action suit against InGen. The ptarydactyl from the end of TLW then swoops down, and picks up some reporter and brings him to Site B. All lawyers and media people are subsequently eaten in a horribly greusome manner. Seriously, I also hope JP3 brings back Sam Neill as Grant, who will save the day. I'm just disappointed that Speilberg isn't coming back. I like Joe Johnston's work, but I felt that the effects in JUMANJI looked too CGI. Can he pull this off? I hope so. All I know is I'm in line for it.
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Oh, I have a better idea! We can combine the three castaways who wash up on an island with the hottest films out now:
Despite the warnings of Ian Malcolm and John Hammond, three student film makers venture to Site B to film "The T Rex Project." Shot on both video and 16 MM, the film will have no special effects. Instead, the "dinosaurs" will be sock puppets voiced by Leonardo DeCaprio and Gwenyth Paltrow.
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Uhhh Grunter or whatever seems to be the only intelligent person on this issue of talkback... The Lost World... the BOOK by Michael Crichton was an utter piece of shit, I'm getting the feeling that it's the ONLY book some of you have read since you seemed to have liked it so much. I especially love some of you who are like "take out the kids and make it a direct translation of Crichton's books" ummmm the books have more kids than the movies. Would you have prefered a fat kid named Arby and a geeky computer girl? Those are the characters from the second book, I happened to love The Lost World... THE MOVIE... it was fun, it was like one of those old monster movies. I got a kick out of it. And I also agree with the "fuck the characters" statement. I am dying to see bigger dinosaurs eating people... I could give a rat's ass how developed the characters are. Then again I'm arguing with pwople who enjoyed The Haunting... loved the character development there!!!
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Aren't you dead? Sliced in half, perhaps, by a mere padawan learner? Some sith you turned out to be!
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A few posters have taken Crichton to task over "The Lost World," the book. I agree for the most part: it was a contrived,plotless serial of a novel with non-existent, cardboard characters who behave unrealistically (people who have never seen dinosaurs are ignoring them 2 minutes after seeing them for the first time, for example). It plays more like a movie script than a novel: all action scenes and nothing else. Crichton even rips off the first movie a couple of times. Note to the person above who liked 'Trespasser." I didn't know there were computers capable of running that game acceptably. Fanboys, take note: no one in Hollywood cares about your "great" ideas for Jurassic Park 3, or any other movie, for that matter. Keep your ideas to yourself, or write a screenplay and sell it for big buck$.
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Man, learn to write. Your post just gave me a head ache.
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Fuck character development? I dunno, not that expect much from the characters of a dino action flic, but I wouldnt "Fuck character development" that would just leave you with a really bad movie with interesting effects like the Matrix! Jurrasic 2 sucked ass because the story was just too silly! and I agree no Goldblum and definitely not his gymnastic drop out daughter (maybe by now he has a hispanic or Asian daughter?) True the dinos are the main characters but im sure they could actually write a good story for it if they tried this time instead of just writing to fit in all the bad toys and cheesy one liner dialog and action
(Swing from the trapeze baby, yea, kick those 2 velociraptors out! "..and they kicked you off the gym team?!") ha ha, oh...sheer genius...wooo, anyhow..jurassic 1 kicked ass cause it was new and original, 2 sucked cause it was just formula.
On the subject of Speilberg sucking ass??? I'll admit, he might make some annoying films from time to time, but at the same time he can turn around and blow your socks off with a truly experiential movie that connects you to real life and its history and all the things we are so eager to forget. He in my opinion is one of the few ARTISTS left in the feild who can communicate ideas, humanity and history beyond mere entertainment. Hes the type of man who couldve made you feel the tragedy of TITANIC by sticking purely to facts and not have to stoop to throwing in a love story to add any drama or conflict to an already immense event of human tragedy....Can we say "Saving Private Ryan"? Can we say "Schindlers list"? just those 2 movies, not to even mention any of the other bad ass movies in his past, shine so bright and soar so high above so much out there...Lets be glad someone like him with his vision and sense of duty as an artist is still out there working at his craft. We dont have too many more you know? -
...ain't gonna get what they want. For what it's worth, though, Joe Johnston may be the person with the best chance of getting this movie right. Assuming that the studio is going to stipulate a PG-13 rating, the only person better for this movie than Johnston is Spielberg himself, and he's probably done all the JP he wants to.
Johnston is good at this effects blockbuster thing, he knows how to give a movie the sort of breezy fun that neither of Spielberg's movies had from start to finish, and he works great with kids. This is gonna be fun. -
I wonder if the general public would even go for a new JP movie. When the first one came out the main attraction was the special effects, but today we are so spolied with FX that it takes a lot for us to sit up and take notice. The secret to making a good JP movie is to give us some characters that we can care about. Keep the FX to a minimum. "The Blair Witch Project" can get away with being scary and containing absolutely no FX at all. Cast this movie correctly, get rid of Golbbloom, make it a believable story, keep the effects sparse but effective and then you'll have something.
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I think that the perfect JP3 would be a remake of Aliens with Raptors instead of Aliens, and the costa rica jungle instead of an off world colony.
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The problem with Lost World was that unlike Jurassic Park, it had no moral core. I found myself sympathising with the wrong characters and reacting in ways opposite to those intended by Spielberg (who otherwise is the best emotional director around). Case in point: the Pete Postelweithe character, my favourite character in the movie. Just look at this guy - he's a career hunter, but OK, he can't hunt lions and water buffalo anymore. So he's given a chance to hunt laboratory produced monsters derived from spieces' which have been discarded by nature millions of years ago, beasts which have no right to exist on earth. For God's sake, dinosaur hunting may be the last clean sport! All he cared about was doing his job and saving human lives. I consider him the true hero of this movie, yet Spielberg portrayed him as a minor villain. Instead, we had that photographer\saboteur who was played by that actor who everybody thought was so hot until they discovered he wasn't. This guy release all those caged beasts, directly causing the death of most everyone except him. This man - this murderer - was portrayed as a hero. What was the director of SCHINDLER'S LIST thinking?
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. . . Lost World could out-suck a black hole (I think Spielberg was Overdosing on Prozac when he directed that steaming turd) but I did love "The Rocketeer" so maybe #3 won't be too bad. *We now return you to your regularly scheduled bickering.*
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All the dinosaurs are relocated to the moon and then when peaceful aliens come to make contact with humans, they take a pit stop on the moon and then we can send in a crack team of specialists to rescue the aliens from the dinosaurs. And the aliens should all look like naked women.
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...The Lost World still did not meet expectations, either financially or with the audience. My advice, like anyone gives a rat's sphincter, is to think with the wallet and leave this one alone. And now, what you all wanted to see... HARDCORE PORNOGRAPHY!
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I loved the original Jurassic Park film. It is one of my favorite summer movies. It's just a terifically entetaining film. I love the kitchen scene-it was great. I will be first in line for the next film, just like I was for the first two. That said, I hope the thrd film is better than The Lost World. It was entertaining, but the script was horrible, and the performances were not great.I thought it was one of Spielberg's weakest efforts. Except for some of the action scenes, he was only halfheartedly directing it. I hope they can come up with a really original idea for the new installment. I want this franchise to be as god as it was when the first movie came out. They need a really good director to bring something new to it. How about Joe Dante? He could do a good movie about dinosaurs rampaging through a city? Maybe John Woo or the Wachowski brothers would make an interesting movie, though they would never do it. Hopefully, they will come up with a good script. And Harry's right- no kids.
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Could the next film be based on the exploits of John Hammond before the first film on the timeline. This topic was in the first novel a bit. It includes pigmy elephants and such. I mean didn't you ever think that even more workers could have been extinguished via the raptors. I just don't think a shipwreck is an entirely new idea for such a unique genre. By the way you kinda need Character development because in films like in Godzilla and the Lost World you left yourself saying, "Is Malcolm dead? Oh that's not him. Oh who cares."
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The Lost World was NOT better than The Phantom Menace. It was not even close, it was not even the same f#ckin' ballpark! The most stupid and crappy thing Jar Jar ever did (your choice) was way way WAY better and less ridiculous than that little girl beating the crap out of that velociraptor by doing some gymnastic crap. Hell that has to be the most stupid scene I've ever seen in a theater. No wait, maybe not, but very close. Oh and that guy saying crap about Spielberg, boy r u a freaking dumbass!
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Sure, TLW was not a great movie. But it wasn't a bad movie, so why is everyone bashing it so much? I think it's because it was directed by Spielberg, who's previous movie was "Schindler's List," and we were expecting a bit more from him. Had this movie been directed by anyone else, it would be agreed that it is exactly what it is: a super-dumb, yet at times highly fun movie.
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Has anyone consulted Michael Chrichton on this? The first two JP books were butchered into movies, I mean, different characters, a T-Rex in a city? That wasn't in the fucking book!!
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Kids in sci fi movies suck as a rule. And when they can kick raptor ass, it insults the intelligence of everyone in the theater. Only one movie got a kid right in terms of sci fi danger: ALIENS. Let the kid get captured. Let the kid get its ass kicked. In the Lost World book, the raptors bounced the boy around the island in a metal cage. He got his ass kicked, because he was a kid, not Jean-Claude Van Damme. In Jaws, we cared about all three guys. We didn't want any of them to die. But we had the sinking feeling in the pit of our stomach that someone was going down. JP worked this to a certain extent, but LW was retarded. In a giant crowd scene, we don't care if CG people get chomped. It looks cool, but no one cares. If we CARE about the characters, it makes their death more relevent, more unexpected, and more frightening. Spielberg needs to lay off the damn kids. (Hook, Empire of the Sun, The Lost World, and Temple of Doom all had far too much cute kid factor.) NOTE TO SPIELBERG: You already made E.T., so stop trying to turn every film into it.
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Okay.
JP2 was the worst movie Spielberg has ever done. Hands Down.
How to do JP3 justice?
First, forget the second movie. Forget the island and people in peril-it's beating a dead horse.
Destroy the whole genetic angle. Make it a 'cover' of the original 'cover'. The only way to make it really really unique at this point is to put the characters
'Back in Time'.
Suppose the genetic story was the cover for an even more fantastic technology-that way the hell down in those concrete tunnels was the technology to bend time (common, work with me here!).
The new 'team' find it and go back to the Cretaceous Period and the movie becomes a epic survival peice. No Funnies, no romance, just serious heat, nasty virus's, killer insects, poisenous plants, and, of course, animals (Yes-animals-carnivoures-Large and of course they are dinosaurs)preying upon them.
Have some major water creatures show up-why do only the land dwellers get all the screen time?
What I want to see is a film with the power of 'Quest for Fire' but only set in the dinosaur world, and hence the scenereo w/time travel. Take that premise, sell it using Stephen Hawkings/Einstien Theories and you have a fresh angle.
Otherwise, you have the Island again ot T-Rex's who have the ability to SHRINK their massive heads to fit inside of a 3X6' cabin door and eat sailors as they clutch the wheel ala JP3. Also, you need a whole new batchg of dinosaurs to make it fresh and yes, you could even find room to fit in that excellent scene from the book they skipped (!!!!) where the color-changing ceratosaurs hunt the people in the old buildings, except it would be a new batch of folks, of course. Hell, send in a marine battalion back in time and you got Aliens/Predator/Quest for Fire all rolled into the ULTIMATE Action/Horror show.
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You called Chricton's Lost World "only in it for the money".
What the hell do you think Spielberg was in it for? An Oscar? Keep in mind that it was Spielberg who convinced Chricton to write a sequel to Jurassic Park (keep in mind that Chricton has written many successful books, none of which have sequels). Why would he do that? So he could justify himself making a sequel to the movie as well without being criticized for doing it "only for the money". The ploy seems to have worked quite well on Grunter. Now, this post isn't a diss to Spielberg or anyone, all I'm saying is when you make a post like that, try to open your eyes a little and see what else is going on outside your own narrow minded perspective. -
I wonder if anyone on here has read "A Sound of Thunder" by the great Ray Bradbury. In the future, a time travel agency can arrange for hunters to travel back in time and get the ultimate kill........a T-Rex. Of course, there are a whole bunch of rules that the hunters must abide by. Basically what happens is that one hunter ends up stepping off the path and killing a butterfly, something with a seemingly harmless effect, but when the travelers return to their time, their world has horribly changed (as a result of the effect of their changing history). Now, dinosaurs aren't exactly the focus or point of this story but its still a really cool idea.
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...this is why THE LOST WORLD tanked for me:
1. Kids. Remeber when a kid gor pulled underwater in Jaws, back when Steve had the nerve to really make you squirm?
2. Heroes standing out on cliff, not a ounce of brush or cover, and 100 feet over them fly chopper after chopper and NOBODY SEES THEM OR THE MASSIVE RV THEY HAVE PARKED ON THE POINT!!!!!!!
3. Book sucked, as did movie, but movie sucked more.
4. Big Game Biologist, Jullian 'I'll smoke anything' Moore, knows all about T-Rex. When T-Rex baby is bleeding, she advises team that they have to get out of the area and get rid of baby, as T-Rex will hunt them by superior smell...later, as team is miles/hours away, she brushes against some ferns. Big Game Hunter sees it's...blood, and checks her vest, which has T-rex blood on it and SHE IS NOT ALARMED AFTER BIG 'THEY HAVE SUCH A KEEN SENSE OF SMELL' speech. It's like she JUST MADE THE SPEECH AND IS VIOLATING THE RULES SHE WARNED OF- AS IF THAT DIALOGE WAS NEVER WRITTEN!!!!
5. Blood was STILL FRESH!!!!!
6. Kid kicks away raptor-say again?
7. Ship crashes into dock. Goldblum on ship sees arms dangling from wheel in TINY iron wheel house. Must be Rapors on board? No, a 40' T-REX has somehow gotten defied the laws of physics and stuck his head in that dinky little cabin, surprised the crew, ate them before captian even had time to let go of wheel, sneeks back outside, eats the guy holding the control switch for the holding pen, leaving just the arm (a recurring theme in JP movies-these dinos will, I repeat, will NOT eat the arm)sneaks BACK down in the pen and somehow, maybeye by psychic energy, CLOSES THE DOORS AGAIN!!! ANd these clowns get millions for this swill? Hell, hire my 4 year old nephew to screen this and he'll pick out the crap like that.
8. The city-it's like Speilberg just said, "Well, I'm board and I need to get over to Poland ASAP to shoot SHINDLERS LIST (Great Movie). Hmmm, put the dino in San Deigo and call it a wrap.
9. KID hides in Giant 'Invisible' RV and dad has lecture scene after she cooks. Comforts the below 20 I.Q. crowd....
10. Billionaire turns out to be warm and fuzzy-comforts the below 10 I.Q. crowd.
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Aug 06, 1999 12:31:44 AM CDT
How 'bout Talking, Wrestling, and Fornicating Dinos Who Battle G
by grouchlord
Dino carnage is what I desire! Actually, this idea needs to bake in the oven a while longer...
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Spielberg managed to make *two* lame dinosaur movies. That's quite a feat.
Also, I agree with the "no kids" posts. I don't want to see any children as major characters. I had enough of that, and more, in the first two JPs. However, if it's a "dinos on the mainland" movie, realistically the dino's preferred prey would be children, the elderly, and the physically handicapped. Even Michael Crighton understood that. Remember who the compys on the mainland where attacking in the first book? That's right, babies. I can't picture anyone in Hollywood having the balls to show dinos using children and old ladies as chew toys, though. -
To everyone who defends Speilberg...why? He made the great TV-movie, Duel, with Dennis Weaver and then the incredible Jaws (Raiders was also good fun to watch as a ten yr old). But as the budgets of his movies increase, so his talent seemingly diminishes. Saving Private Ryan was a hollow experience, not intentionally so either. Rousing speeches and crying scenes were there to try and evoke an emotion from the audience, but it just doesn't work because the characters are so feebly written. You cannot critisise the technical achievements of the film, the sound is wonderful, as is the battle direction. But whenever there is something which requires talent to evoke an emotional reaction - he fails. Sickly sweet music and Tom Hanks doing an Oscar nomination speech is not the way! The only thing this film has in is favour is a severe lack of hyper-intelligent / talented / cute children which have become such a movie clich
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Why is it that everything has to be a remake, a sequel or an adaptation of a dimly-conceived 60s TV series? For Jurassic Park 3, I suggest Spielberg et al tie off a few other loose ends by having:
1) The Doc from Back to the Future tripping back to the 40s and
2) Picking up Indiana Jones
3) Flipping forward in his souped-up DeLorean to Burkittsville just as the three intrepid indie film-makers are stepping into the woods
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4) Arriving in San Diego just as the T-Rex is breaking free from its bondage.
OK, so then we have JP3, IJ4, BTF4 and BWP2, all in one.
Indiana Jones and the Indie Film-Makers Go Back to the Jurassic Park Project?
If nothing else, it might clear the decks for 2001 and allow some truly original film-makers to prosper. -
JP blew me away at the time, and I liked TLW, although it left me a little cold... Yes, a lot of the criticisms already mentioned are valid, but I'd also put some blame on John Williams' uninteresting, uninvolving, emotionless score (an amazing achievement from the man who scored Star Wars and JP, both amongst the best scores EVER). But I like the idea of turning the franchise into an Aliens-style stalker movie with an R rating (15 or 18 here in the UK). So why not use James Cameron? (Bring on the hundreds of "man, he sucks" comments... yawn...) OK, so he's lost a lot of "cool" in the wake of Titanic, but that doesn't make him a bad director... I thought he deserved an Oscar long before Titanic, and as someone that hates period dramas, I thought Titanic was superb, even the pre-iceberg bits. And look at how he turned "Alien" into a viable series, with the subsequent (non-Cameron) sequels not coming close to the brilliance of Aliens (especially the Special Edition). I'd love to see what he'd do to the JP franchise. The man knows how to write action and suspense and even, yes, characters you care about. I'd also love to see him return to the Alien series for the inevitable movie when the Aliens finally hit Earth. Wow! Btw, am I the only one on the planet that has noticed that none of the films have ever actually visited the planet the Alien race originates from? In the first film, the team go to an uninhabited planet where they find a crashed spaceship over-run with the Alien eggs. In the second, they return to the same planet, now colonised by people and over-run with Aliens. In the third, an Alien or two stowed away on the ship that Ripley escaped in, and all the Aliens (and most ludicruosly Ripley) in #4 were genetically engineered. Sho why can't someone write a film where someone stumbles on the original Alien planet? You wouldn't even need Ripley... And of course they wouldn't even BE the aliens then, the humans would be! Hollywood, are you listening, PLEASE??? SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE THAT MOVIE!!!!
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. . . in adapting an already published idea to the big screen. "A Sound of Thunder" would be kind of rough to adapt to a full-length picture though. How about "A Gun for Dinosaur"(Or possibly a movie merely set in that world) by L. Sprague DeCamp? I also read a David Drake dinosaur hunting expedition book which was darn cool, but I'll be damned if I can remember the title of that sucker. (Anybody know which book I'm talking about and its title?) Or how about simply the "Pellucidar" series by Edgar Rice Burroughs? Any of these would be better and more original than a damn JP rehash.
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First, the person who said that anyone who enjoyed the Lost World book must not read much: my goodness, we're a bunch a fascist hypocrites, aren't we? I mean, you'll allow for differences of opinion (albeit grudgingly) on movies, but anyone who enjoyed a book you don't like must be a literary moron? Come on. ---- Second, let me state for the record that my wife (who is *very* literate) thoroughly enjoyed the Crighton sequel-novel. She called it thought-provoking. I never read it (I can't remember the last time I read a book purely for pleasure, which is a very sad thing!), but we both saw the movie. AND, we both hated the movie. It appeared to me to have been based on some good ideas, but over-hyped and over-produced beyond recognition. Personally, I like the idea of the mathematician being the hero, but not in an action-adventure kind of way. When I watch the first movie personally I think he *was* the hero there. Well, at least I identified more with him than with the other characters. And then ... T-Rex in San Diego? What the hell were you thinking, Mr S??? I mean, ... ugh, I'd rather just forget it. From that moment, an "okay" movie turned irreversibly to "just plain bad", and that's a crying shame. Other gripes (ie, why it was just "okay" at that point, not "great"): the story was okay, but too much of it was missing in the movie (and too much stupidity added); many scenes were just rehashes of the original movie; the much-loathed gymnastics kick didn't bother me too much, but it certainly didn't hit the list of film highlights. The one scene that still gets me, though, is the team moving through the tall grass, first just their one path, then dozens more paths heading straight towards them. Effects cost: probably under $100 I'd guess although I'd probably be wrong. Result: the best scene of the movie. As if it need be said, all this is IMHO.
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J3?!if this film gets made it will sizuck large donkey nuts!!!
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why has steven become such a mind numbing hack!!!!
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No, no, no, no, NO! There is no reason for another Jurassic Park movie. No reason at all. Do something ORIGINAL, PLEASE!
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The SS Minnow gets horribly lost and ends up crashing upon the shore of Ilsa Nublar... let's see the Professor get Gilligan's ass out of that one.
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This is the bottom line--The Lost World, although not Spielberg's best, made $91 million over its first 5 days. The fact that it went on to gross over $200 million domestically shows that people went to see it, sometimes more than once. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A MOVIE, DON"T GO. The fact that everyone is bashing The Lost World with great detail to many scenes prove the fact that it has been viewed more than once by these critics. STOP WATCHING IT IF IT IS SO PAINFUL. This applies to all films, especially sequels. Universal will make JP3 and it will make money. That is a fact. If you don't like it or the idea of it, then don't go see it. I think we are S.O.L. about our hopes for an R rating and no kids--that would mean less Box Office. Studios don't like that. Okay, I am done rambling....
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I thought the book jurassic park was great. I must have read it 20,000 times. The Lost World was a good sequal. I liked the story and it was a good follow - up. The movie jurassic park was awesome. It is still my favorite movie. When the lost world came out i knew it wouldnt be much like the book and because of that i liked it. I hope jp3 can be as good as the origanal.
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Aug 06, 1999 8:36:36 PM CDT
JP3?!? Directed by Jan "Speed2" deBont? Talk about trips to the
by the filmmaker
Well, as incredible as it seems and watching JP2 as the worst Spielberg movie ever made, it's short of an heart attack to find that it's going to meet another sequel. And the directing list is not very reassuring: Jan "She's going down" DeBont or Stephen "Mummy, I wish I could bury that old ass" Sommers. Spielberg is one of my idols, but with these options, he's losing ground to a series of runner-ups. What will they come up with this time? Velociraptors eating babies at the Central Park? Sheesh.
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The only way to make JP3 even remotely interesting would be to follow the storyline the action figures have already taken. That is, have the dinosaurs be genetically engineered hybrids (i.e. mix a stegosaurus with a raptor), and then turn them loose upon a populated city. Imagine seeing a gigantic winged Tyranodactyl swooping down on unsuspecting pedestrians! It would be like "Q" but with kickass fx! Make no mistake, THAT WOULD ROCK!!!
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Here's my advice for the next dinasaur epic-JURASSIC PARK:THE DARK AGES. Screw all the cute little Dinos and make the T-Rex the lord and master of the movie. Go straight for the horror element, not for the kiddie, box office market. After all, they've already made a shit load of money from the first 2, why make a shitload more?
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The Jurassic Park movies are the best ever, and you don't want a third movie? I can't find words... this is the best since, well, we heard that JP3 would be made in june last year.
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I get the same feeling as we knew the charaters felt whenever we heard the violins started playing. A deep palatable sense of fear at what I know is looming in the distance and coming straight for me.
What I think about this attempted franchise: Studio execs smell money; public smells excessive, unneccesary, and unwanted flaming bag of dog crap left on their porches. Even if the movie rocks and kicks Titanic's ass *ha* this just opens the door for them to rip what I thought was a great movie and story (I read both 1&2 Crichton novels). Need I remind anyone what they did to Batman. -
James Cameron is my favorite director,my faverotie movie The Abyss(Directors cut version) was done by him,he also made a lot of good movies,actually i don't remember him doing any bad movies ever(correct me if im wrong,please).But i doubt he'll want to direct a action/adventure/sci-fi movie in the near future.He now has a "Titanic-ego" and actually thinks he's the king of the world for real.Of course he deserves it,he made the most profited(and expensive,he's movies are always expensive except for the Terminator which was his first movie) but still i think he will not do a action/sci-fi in a while,might totally leave it behind and only do expensive historical dramas(And even i could like them if he doesn't cast Leonardo DiCaprio,trust me it ruined Titanic).Does anybody know what James Camerons next project will be.
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