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Massawyrm really enjoyed TERMINATOR SALVATION!!

Hola all. Massawyrm here. We are a house divided here at AICN. I haven’t seen a reaction this across the map in a long time. Some of us violently hated TERMINATOR SALVATION with 2800wd scathing reviews waiting in the wings. Others found it forgettable and unnecessary. I feel like the odd man out. I actually enjoyed the hell out of it – but even I have my problems - a trio of tolerable, but serious problems that keep this from becoming a really awesome film in my eyes. McG did a great job with the action, that’s for sure. But there is one seriously missed opportunity here that leaves the film on a hollow note sure to sour many against it. Let’s get the primary beef out of the way: I have a serious issue with films that desperately want to be a trilogy. Recently we’ve had films like PUSH and JUMPER that have tried desperately to set themselves up as franchises and in doing so refused to use any of their characters up. Villains go unpunished, stories go unresolved and we have a large climax that ultimately does nothing but look cool. And it leaves you with that empty feeling of watching a very long first act. Well, that’s the ending here. Once you start watching this, you will know EXACTLY how this movie is SUPPOSED to end. If you know anything about the TERMINATOR movies at all you will just know instinctively what is supposed to happen. But it doesn’t. That’s not the story this movie wants to tell. They want to get to that ending later. Right now, they want to tell this story. And the problem is that this story isn’t as good as the one you are waiting to see. Because we know who John Connor is. We’ve been following the adventures of this mean, ornery son of a bitch since before he was born. We know what he is destined to do, what he will mean to humanity when his time comes. And we know about the fateful day that he sends his own father back in time to protect his mother and plant the seed of revolution – so to speak. What we don’t know is what happens to him after that day. I mean, does he even survive getting out of the time travel facility? Do we win against the machines? What the hell happens next? It would seem logical that this is exactly the point that a filmmaker would want to pick up and run with the ball. Because after he’s done what we all know he does…he can die. And knowing that he has mortality makes John Connor really interesting again. But TERMINATOR SALVATION has other plans. This isn’t entirely John Connor’s story. It’s also Marcus Wright’s story. And unfortunately one can’t watch a single trailer with knowing what his story is. That’s the second problem. Once you’re introduced to him in the film, what information you already have ruins any real mystery surrounding his character. But they go through the motions of mystery anyway and tell a fairly interesting story. Just not the one they should be telling. And it feels like a lot of buildup for a payoff we never get. And his story leads to the third and final problem. There is a single character moment in this that is so wildly out of place that it defies even the series own convoluted logic. What this character does is against everything they would seem to stand for, against everything they should believe in. And it is so irrational that it completely takes you out of the film. If you’ve seen the film you know exactly who and what I’m talking about. It is a ridiculous moment meant to set up an emotional payoff that I understand but cannot condone because of how out of the movie it takes you for a spell. And while this series isn’t exactly what I would call cemented in logic, there is always a certain amount of believability you must maintain to keep your audience invested. I mean come on. I LOVE the TERMINATOR series. It is so much a part of my childhood that it is not even funny. I went from dressing like an Ewok for Halloween in the 3rd grade to dressing as Arnold Schwarzenegger in the jacket and glasses in the 4th. And did so for three years straight. But this series revolves around a guy who sent his own father back in time to protect and knock up his mother so he could be born and raised as a little badass who would save humanity from a robot army that built a time machine to kill his mother and ultimately allowed him to be born. The series is a nest of wacky logic that only works if you accept the TIMECRIMES/LOST school of thought that the moment you create a time machine, everything the time machine sends back has already happened and the past can no longer be changed – even though it is about to be. But of course that undercuts all the tension of these films if you know that John Conner is going to live no matter what, so that’s never been the way they’ve presented it. Now, that said, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the action here. McG does a great job of putting you in the middle of some crazy, awesome battles against the machines. From gritty urban warfare against stray terminators to dogfights against Hunter-Killer airships, this thing hits a number of extremes and puts us in a world entirely destroyed by the machines. This is a post-apocalyptic film, a nuclear waste nightmare in which the last few humans alive work together in a loosely organized network to try and bring down the machines. There are some very cool sequences and not a boring moment to be found throughout the breathless film. There’s also a very cool underlying element of just what kind of hero John Connor is. Some see him as a prophet, unaware that he’s getting all of his tips of the future from a book on tape dictated by his mother who may or may not have been crazy. Of course we all know she was relatively sane (or at least right about the future), but there is a definite feeling of resentment about this rising hero who isn’t really living up to the legend yet. And I really, really dug that. The film is a lot of fun. An explosive, thrilling series of gritty action sequences that makes for a good, but not great, film. I definitely want to see another, but I want to see them go darker, grimmer and get the plot that we’re all waiting to see out of the way so they can finish this thing up with the possibilities completely up in the air about what can and will happen next. I had a good time, but out of the seven major blockbusters released this month, this is ranked fourth on my list. I’ll watch it again at a matinee if I get a chance, but I won’t be broken hearted if I somehow get delayed and end up not catching it again until DVD. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em.
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  • May 20, 2009, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Did we watch the same movie?

    by Merrick

    Not sure we did...

  • May 20, 2009, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Looks bad

    by ClarenceBeaks

  • May 20, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    A Shit Director With A Tiny Amount of Flair for Eye Candy?

    by Aquatarkusman


  • May 20, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Whoa whoa whoa ... Massa did what?!?

    by chrth

    You can't wear the same Halloween costume more than once! It violates the spirit of Halloween! I'll never look at you the same way again, Massa.<p> Ewok? *snicker*

  • May 20, 2009, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Looks great....

    by Righteous Brother

    but..........I won't know till I see it. Interesting that its divided AICN so much.....hmmmmm.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST


    by frongbak

    Is it worth dealing with opening weekend crowds or should i just squeeze it in with a Wolverine double feature?

  • May 20, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    I Love that Indiana Jones Figurine

    by Aquatarkusman

    Looks like W.C. Fields after a three-day bender.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Mehsawyrm liked it? I'll wait 'til we get Moriarty's review

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Oh wait...

  • May 20, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    How was the lighting?

    by conspiracy

  • May 20, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    How are the chicks?

    by frongbak

    No description of Bryce Dallas and Moon Goodblood? Were they serviceable? Hot? anywhere near Sarah Connor badassness? I need some details.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    McG focused on action instead of story?

    by S-Mart shopper

    wow! who'd a thunk? pop-pop-popcorn!

  • May 20, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I was also a Halloween ewok

    by Fico

    <3 Massa

  • May 20, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Harry wants to pound on Terminator till it crumble

    by theplant

    He want it to dance to his tune and then "put on a dress and fuck it ?" I was going to say : kill it.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I plan on seeing this over the weekend

    by rumspringa

    It looks like a great popcorn flick. I like the dark, apocalyptic tone.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Bale be praised!

    by conspiracy

    So JJ gets a pass for his hyper kinetic, plot thin, illogical but watchable popcorn flick...but our Lord Bale does not get the same consideration?! Even when he brings a level of Fucking Professionalism to a film that fuckers like Pine will never know. Bale be Praised! He WILL rise above these vile, blasphemous reviews of His handiwork...or at the least He will come over there and kick your amateur fucking asses...pricks.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is this?

    by DerLanghaarige

    This is the first review by Massa that I read for years! I was avoiding his writings, because I just couldn't take his mornonic writing style, that is only just a wee bit better than the drivel that Neill Cumpston shits out. I checked this review out, because I'm seriously curious about everybody's opinion on T4 - and it turned out that Massa's review was this time very readable! So maybe I check in more often from time to time.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    I should try to keep in mind...

    by Chariowalda_Barbarossa

    that Charlie's Angels was one of the few Sneak previews I walked out of.<p> I wanted this film to be good, liked the stuff I got to seee so far. Seems to turn out to be a trainwreck though. Maybe for once I'll agree with the professional haters once they discharge their righteous wrath upon this film.<p> Time will tell, still two weeks until this flick opens here in Germany. Expectations drastically lowered now. Probably better that way.<p> Wonder what McWeeny has to say about this one, I tend to agree to his judgements. Nothing up yet over at hitfix, except for his Up review.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Charlie's Angels 2 that was...

    by Chariowalda_Barbarossa

  • May 20, 2009, 8:43 a.m. CST

    I'm waiting on Harry's review...

    by SunTzu77

    Roger Ebert slams T4 / --- 2 stars -- "I know with a certainty approaching dread that all of my questions will be explained to me in long detailed messages from "Terminator" experts. They also will charge me with not seeing the movie before I reviewed it. Believe me, I would have enjoyed traveling forward through time for two hours, starting just before I saw the movie. But in regard to the answers to my questions: You know what? I don't care." <p> Toronto Star slams T4 - one and a half stars - "Terminator Salvation: It’s back, and it’s bad" <p> Globe and Mail slams T4 - two stars - "What its predecessors had, this sequel sorely lacks" <p> USA Today slams T4 -- "Bale is surprisingly one-dimensional as John Connor, the leader of the human Resistance movement whose destiny is linked to the future of mankind in this doomsday action franchise. He seems to be simply recycling his gravelly Dark Knight growl." <p>

  • May 20, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    C'mon Massa...

    by Nocturnaloner

    It takes 6 paragraphs to talk about what this film got wrong, and 3 to mention what you liked? Between this review, and the ones at RT, it's done. I won't see this til it comes on cable, if then. The Terminator franchise has a higher standard to live up to, and I have no problem with ignoring the work of people who don't get it right.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST



    and I mean that with love

  • May 20, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    But is it better than T3?

    by S-Mart shopper

  • May 20, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    USA Today

    by Aquatarkusman

    Could have stopped its review after "Bale is one-dimensional," at least as his mainstream movies show.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Sad that...

    by Human_Bean_Juice_

    so many of us are happy with mediocrity.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Wow, Harry. With lovers like you . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    Can't wait to read your review big guy. And now Massa has me wanting to go see this again just for this moment that will knock me right out of the film. I hope its a time travel plot to get Edward Furlong out of T2.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    I've been reading the reviews yet to be posted on RT... most of them are negative... but it seems like many of the reviewers liked Moon Goodblood.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I'm Afraid I'll Hate This Now

    by RichardAlpert_TimePimp

    I definitely won't let any reviews mess with my expectations or thoughts as I see the film, but the backlash seems so negative.... This is pretty much the same thing that happened with Transformers. A few people loved it, most reviewerss thought it was completely garbage, and I thought it was the worst film I have ever seen in my life. That pattern doesn't bode well for me. It also implies that the bewildered herd..the huddled masses, as I call them, will go apeshit for this. This morning makes me sad.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    When does he flip out and curse at the T-1000?

    by hatespeech

    Ohhhhh, goooood for you. And how was it? I hope it was ------- good, because it's useless now, isn't it?

  • May 20, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Sorry But For Me Terminator Ended With 2

    by Real Deal

    A more perfect ending I couldn't think of. All during the movie I was thinking : " They're going to blink at the end and something will get away and set this up for the next one ". Well I was wrong! At the end they did tie everything up. The story was concluded. They fixed the timeline and Skynet was no more. The good guys win! Yea! Then came the Cameronless remake. I felt betrayed by Hollywood ( again ). With # 2 I couldn't think of a more perfect ending. It's kind of like " If it ain't broke don't fix it! " Oh well!

  • May 20, 2009, 8:53 a.m. CST

    How long was Kyle with Sara?

    by V'Shael

    Because I don't remember him telling her all sorts of shit about the future where she could remember it, record it, and John could get tactical info from it. <p> That's retarded. <p> The first movie was all about the running running running and trying to survive. Then fucking. And then running again. <p> At no point does Kyle sit her down and say things like "And then in 2018, there was this mission to San Andreas, where we..."

  • May 20, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST


    by SunTzu77 - "McG is a director with an above-average eye and an original instinct for camera placement. To his credit, he's not one of those lazy types who think they can generate excitement in an action sequence by shaking the camera or kicking it. But he has a major weakness as a filmmaker, and that weakness is all over "Terminator Salvation": His grand, elaborate visual sense is completely detached from his brain"..."Whoever thought in 2003 that we'd look back on "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" as the good old days?"

  • May 20, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Terminator Mythology- We've been jerked off for 25 years....

    by knowthyself

    And they never let us cum. Just as we are about to cum they stop or change or go back to the old formula. Time for this franchise to end already. God dammit let us CUM already. I'm tired of getting a rub job that never ends.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    Moon "Bloodgood"

  • May 20, 2009, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I saw it last night and it's crap

    by Knightsong

    If you've seen the other three movies, and you watch this movie with half a brain, it makes no sense. Any of it. Not like I don't understand the plot they were trying to get me to swallow; but, more like you consistently just keep asking yourself "why?". Like "Why are they arguing?" "Why didn't the hear that thing sneaking up on them?" "Why didn't the kill that guy?" Why, why, why. It's bad. It's not riveting, I was really bored, and I don't ever plan to watch it again.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by Arteska

    Seems to me that they spilled way too much in the build up to this release - regardless of how these reviews are breaking.

  • May 20, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    Why did the trailer SPOIL the biggest twist?

    by knowthyself

    Thats what I want to know. Why did they do that? In the god damn trailer of all things?

  • May 20, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    So it was Massa that got the back-hander on this one!

    by BiggusDickus

    What was it, Massa? Cigarettes? A Sideshow collectible? Go on - do tell.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST word: McG...

    by MJohnson

    ...isn't that really all we needed to know?

  • May 20, 2009, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Likes Terminator. Nitpicked Watchmen?

    by knowthyself

    Gimme a break. That's such bullshit.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    "forgettable and unnecessary" indeed

    by shady73

    Saw it Monday night; put me in the camp that found it "forgettable and unnecessary". However, the action is pretty good (and loud). I think they probably overpaid to have Bale play John Connor; they should have cast someone else. Sam Worthington is good; he's got great screen presence; Anton Yelchin and Bryce D. Howard are kinda wasted. McG was present at the screening I saw in Novi, MI; he seems like a genuinely nice guy and is trying to bring television & film productions to MI, so I hope the movie does well for his sake.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Damn studio group think

    by LabattsBleu

    i love the reviews who basically talk about this movie like its 'paint by numbers' imagination, no risk taking...the studio deserves for this movie to absolutely tank for the cynical way they've treated the moviegoers...just like Wolverine tanking....Most of us aren't damn idiots; great movies come from a great creative team - despite McGinty's facility to set up some decent car chases, that makes him the next Michael Bay, not the next James Cameron...

  • May 20, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    so Ebert can't

    by LarryTate

    invest 2 hours and watch Terminator 1? jeez

  • May 20, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Wait a minute... WAAAAAIT a FUCKING minute here!

    by ricarleite2

    Massawyrm... THE Massawyrm... made a sentence with the words "I LOVE LOVE LOVE" and "McG" in it? What? What the FUCK is going on AICN?!

  • May 20, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    The Word of Bale; Book 5,587

    by MegaBaltar5000

    "And the Amateurs rose like a great sea, their waves of nonprofessionalism crashing against the shores of the pussy fisting goliath, our savior and great Lordeth, BALE. <p> He raised his staff up, and said NAY, YOU AMATEURS SHALL NOT PASSETH and commanded a mighty wind of professional might to smiteth down the amateurs and their non believing ways. <p> I SHALL TERMINATE THY DOUBT commanded BALE as he shepherded his flock into the cinemaplex. THOU SHALL KNOW THE SENSUAL CARESS OF PROFESSIONALISM SOON shouted BALE as he seated his patrons."

  • May 20, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    People are stupid.

    by veebeeyes

    They did not "fix the timeline". Nobody ever stopped Skynet. That shit was never in Terminator 2, it's not even internally consistent with the series, and IT NEVER HAPPENED. Seriously, you wonder if some people even bothered to watch the other movies, or are just parroting off stuff that they think they once heard someone say.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    With any luck

    by yodalovesyou

    This will cause every annoying, vile nerd in the world to completely & literally disappear up their own arseholes and leave the rest of us to watch movies in peace. Harry's vitriolic, bile-spitting review makes Peter 'I'll say anything to look trendy' Travers look professional.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Damn, now I feel like the toga-party guy from ANIMAL HOUSE, with Harry on one shoulder and Massa on the other.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    oh man, please don't tell me this sucks...

    by The Amazing G

    dude talk about fucking depressing, I still plan on seeing this Saturday and making my own opinion about it, but I'm a bit worried now

  • May 20, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai


  • May 20, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    FEAR NOT !

    by MegaBaltar5000

    For Bale will save you AMAZING G!

  • May 20, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by gruemanlives


  • May 20, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    it begins

    by Six Demon Bag

    ding ding.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Well done Massa

    by chuffsterUK

    100% agree!

  • May 20, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Trailer for 9 [aka Little Big Planet - The

    by onezeroone

  • May 20, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Trailer for Tim Burton's 9

    by onezeroone aka Little Big Planet, The Movie. At least cooler news than what guys post around here.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    So, Massa, you say that....

    by Khan_Noonien_Zing

    you "really enjoyed" it. Then you pick out 3 HUGE plot holes, including a laughably absurd character turn, and then mumble about the action being great and basically give it a thumbs up. Huh? How can you give a movie a positive review when a scene completely takes anybody that's at least half paying attention right out of the movie? Oh, and did I mention that the movie's one and only real plot twist is right there in the fucking TRAILER?!? Are you fucking kidding me? What the hell has happened to the reviewers on AICN? Massa, here's your simplified breakdown of the movie: The plot is crap, the writing is crap, Bale is so-so as John Connor, and they systematically fuck up a possible great ending to set up yet ANOTHER Terminator movie.... but the action was really neat-o and rad. Big thumbs up, you guys!!! :) Jesus, dude. That's a review straight from a 6-year-old. Utterly pathetic. Let's just get real about this whole franchise. This horse should have been liquified into glue after T2, but the money-grubbing studio hacks have been beating it for 2 more movies and a complete shit tv series. Stop encouraging them with your slavering fan-boy reviews, grow a pair, and call a shitty movie a shitty movie. Jesus Christ.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Out of place character moment?!?!

    by pauldc

    "And his story leads to the third and final problem. There is a single character moment in this that is so wildly out of place that it defies even the series own convoluted logic. What this character does is against everything they would seem to stand for, against everything they should believe in. And it is so irrational that it completely takes you out of the film. If you’ve seen the film you know exactly who and what I’m talking about. It is a ridiculous moment meant to set up an emotional payoff that I understand but cannot condone because of how out of the movie it takes you for a spell. " Im not going to see it, can someone please tell?

  • May 20, 2009, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Arghhh! This PISSES me off!!

    by johnnyangelheart

    Just when Terminator : The Sarah Connor Chronicles was really taking off in an interesting direction plot-wise it gets canceled and then this movie comes out apparently with some ludicrous plot twists!!! And FURTHERMORE the action scenes that everyone is praising to the skies look way overdone to me, sort of like those damned stupid giant mastodons in Lord Of the Rings.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Harry calls Massa's review a 'fucking idiotic?' Really?

    by Gungan Slayer

    Pray Harry, please tell us, why yours is so much better, for I didn't get much out of it either. I've seen the damn film, and yeah, it's not that great, but it's still enjoyable summer and genre fare and I had a good time. Only difference is that I haven't had a grudge against McG since day 1.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Fine. Let's all go see Star Trek again this weekend.

    by SmokingRobot


  • May 20, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST


    by notspock2

    Just thought i'd put that out there before i had any facts to back it up.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    I hate Christian Bale

    by DeadAtRecess

    He has that fucking lispy "missing top dentures" way of speaking that drives me crazy. Why is he considered by so many to be a great actor? He does a double Billy Idol sneer every time he pronounces the letter "S" that is so's like watching the fucking youngest son from JAWS try and be Batman. Everyone on this site wants to blow Bale and I will never ever understand it. He is a terrible actor and an even worse human being. Tantrums much? Get your fucking lisp fixed so that you don't speak like Cindy Brady anymore, then get some anger management classes, then maybe audition for something. What an over rated piece of crap. I hate that they give him roles in films that interest me. Bale is a good Batman? Ha! The only things that make the new Batman films as good as they are are the bad guys, Gordon, and Alfred. Christian Fail can suck it. They should have stopped this series after T2.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    How do we get Hollywood to stop making over-revealing trailers?

    by Royston Lodge

    For the past decade or so, Hollywood seemed to get the message about putting out really good trailers that give the audience a taste of what a movie's all about without giving away too many details --- but only when it comes to teaser trailers.<p> When it comes to the "full theatrical trailer" Hollywood's still giving away the funniest jokes, the biggest action scenes, and (most importantly) crucial plot points.<p> How do we get Hollywood to start using the same paradigm for their "full theatricals" that they use for their "teasers"?<p> I suppose we could stop downloading them months in advance...

  • May 20, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    The payola reviewers have been ordered

    by kabong

    to push Star Trek because it will attract the grandma/grandpa demo with their little grandchild Jamie. <P> Terminator Salvation has some hardass action, so it has to be reviewed as bad, bad, bad, take the tikes to Star Trek again.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    McG on Today in Jean Jacket

    by MegaBaltar5000

    Lol McG, he was praising the shit out of Bale too! Segment should still be on right now.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Today SHow

    by MegaBaltar5000

    W/ Matt lauer (if there was anny confusion)

  • May 20, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    It was Dark Denim too

    by MegaBaltar5000

    To represent the films dark, jean jackottry feel

  • May 20, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    The Word Of Bale; Book 875,497,003

    by MegaBaltar5000

    "And the Ginger Demon led his army of basement dwellers and amateurs against the mighty pussy fisting Bale, and Bale said STOPETH THY AMATEUR WAYS, SIMPLE NET FOLK and waved free passes to T:S and the simple web folk came flocking. THE BALE GIVETH AND FORGIVETH said the glimmering saviour as he gave his bountiful free passes to the shambled masses."

  • May 20, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    It wasn't THAT bad....

    by Dogma_Jedi

    I saw it Monday. It was way better than T3.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    The Word of Bale; Book 755,598,122,044

    by MegaBaltar5000

    "And so the Ginger Demon was tamed with ye set visits and thy free passeths, and the Demon then bestowed many a blow jobs and good reviews upon Bales mighty staff, which he waved in a Moses like fashion and proclaimed PRFOESSIONAL IS THE ONLY PATH."

  • May 20, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Guys, these franchises are like pornstars...

    by thatpeterguy

  • May 20, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by MegaBaltar5000

    Thou hast been edited!

  • May 20, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    ...we can only jerk off to them for so long before its just time

    by thatpeterguy

  • May 20, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST move on.

    by thatpeterguy

  • May 20, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    LOL AICN reviewers

    by MegaBaltar5000

  • May 20, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Star Trek was rubbish!

    by masteryoda007

    Man, fuck Star Trek, how fucking gay was that movie. Well done JJ you slack jawed faggot, way to fuck up a franchise.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Star Trek is WAAAAAAY overrated

    by slone13

    <p>A mostly forgettable movie that looked pretty. End of story.</p>

  • May 20, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by masteryoda007

    I have been readin Empire Magazine since 1989 and they have never gave me shit reviews. Thanks to them I dicovered The Killer and Hard Boiled. Their reviews are well thought out and structured. Thank God for Empire!

  • May 20, 2009, 11 a.m. CST


    by Cap'n Jack

    This is Massa's schtick...he says the opposite of popular opinion. He's a very reliable reverse barometer, actually.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Merrick you forgot to say "First!!!!!"

    by Rupee88

    anyway I like how the reviews differ between Harry and Massa...of course they are both right as appreciation of "art" (I use that term loosely) is 100% subjective. At the same time, I think I would agree with Harry and don't plan to pay to see this. But I look forward to the download in a couple of months when this is on DVD.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Looks meh, but will likely see it...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...sometime this Summer. If anything it'll be an excuse to get out of the heat in June with a big soda and watch a mindless action movie. With McG directing, I really didn't expect a work of genius cinema. I mean, the guy mishandled We Are Marshall, a fairly straightforward Lifetime-ish movie about a compelling subject. How do you mess THAT up? The dude is playing in the Special Olympics of Hollywood movie directors.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    And Star Trek had plot holes but what still good

    by Rupee88

    the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Star Trek was stupid in a lot of ways but I loved watching it at the time. Massa felt this way about T4 apparently....I get it but I'm still not going to see it anytime soon.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    MegaBaltar5000 = Total Fucking Professional

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Your place in the Kingdom of Bale is assured fine Sir. Hail the node of 39984

  • May 20, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Royston Lodge

    by Rupee88

    yes just don't watch the trailer for any film that you care about...bring ipod with you to the theater and close your eyes when ones comes on...and don't download them obviously. It takes self discipline to do this but it's the best way if you think a movie will be worthwhile.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Massawyrm Terminator is cool BECAUSE OF THE STORY


    However cool t4's action or cgi is, by next summer it will be forgotten because we will have something even more shiny to watch. DEATH TO HOLLYWOOD!!!!

  • May 20, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Massawyrm is even more gullible then Harry

    by ganymede3010

    Never trust his reviews. EVER!

  • May 20, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by Six Demon Bag

    had they not revealed Marcus to be terminator at least wouldve given it something

  • May 20, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by the new transported man

    Just can't really get stoked on these big movies anymore. District 9 & Moon look interesting, but these movies are too dumb. It pains me that so much money & time are spent on dumb shit. Waste is aggravating. Except for Transformers, I don't care how much dumb shit is in Transformers, I'll go see it. I haven't gotten over my pain from the 1985 movie, almost 25 years later.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I'm still seeing it so...JOG ON!

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Don't care, wanna see it. Could be a steaming peice of dung but I'd like to make my own mind up thanks.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I'm glad Massa gave it a positive review

    by BLEST

    I posted in TB the other day that I usally agree with him on this site (not "I loved Indy 4, Silver Surfer, Van Helsing" Harry) or Moriarty when he was here, and Ebert for major critics. (and Ebert slammed it, but couldn't be arsed to watch Terminator 1, so he fails this time.)<p>The RT meter is up to about 40 now, with more reviews coming in, some negative, some positive.<p>Seems to really have people divided.<p>Is it because people wanted this movie to be about something else, because it's McG, or because they didn't get it?<p>Or is it really just crap and others are blind?<p>I'll find out opening weekend. I'm just hoping for a fun Terminator movie that's better than T3 at this point...

  • May 20, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Massa, you know I love you...

    by AugustusGloop

    But this is about 1800 words shy of your usual reviews. What gives? You love something so much, and you give it a review that takes me 30 seconds to read? For what it's worth, I completely expected you to like this, because you love Michael Bay. Yeah, he didn't do this, but somebody asked me the other day if Bay was directing TS, because the trailers make it look exactly like a Michael Bay movie. I know Harry wasn't spoiled by the *fantastic* work that was the Sarah Conner Chronicles, and that makes me even more worried about this film. Coming off the shit that was T3, almost ANYTHING should've smelled like roses. For Harry to hate it this much, without having seen TSCC sets my expectations very, very low.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    rose colored glasses must be cheap

    by Bouncy X

    it seems most people wear em all the time. oh no, a terminator movie relies on action before story, its not like its happened 3 times before or anything....oh wait.

  • May 20, 2009, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Why the fuck

    by AugustusGloop

    can't I ever get line breaks to show up in my posts? God dammit.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Massa liked it, but hated everything about it

    by BMacSmith

    except the action. end review.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    So basically the only good filmmaking of 2009 = LOST

    by Ash0k

    Sooooo..... T:SCC has apparently blown Hollywood out of the water with 1/100000th of the budget.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    I just find it funny that Harry has the brass balls

    by GaiustheBrave

    to call someone else's review idiotic. The guy who could do with some writing lessons from my 9 year old niece calls Massa's review idiotic. Just shows that Harry follows the old school of argument, "If you can't beat 'em, yell at 'em."

  • May 20, 2009, 12:07 p.m. CST

    the positive Rottentomato reviews are mostly negative!

    by BMacSmith

    the positive reviews are mostly the "it wasnt very good but i enjoyed it" variety, and the negative reviews are slaughtering it. not a good sign.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    was the lighting consistent and professional?

    by alice 13

    any sign of r2d2?

  • May 20, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    i HATE HATE HATE when

    by cant_stop_yawning2

    guys on this side write things like "I LOVE LOVE LOVE the action here". invest in a thesaurus.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST Halloween costume...

    by DarthCorleone

    I also was The Terminator when I was in fourth grade.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Who the ***k let a man named McG whose rap-sheet includes

    by phoenixflames

    the legendarily stupid Charlies Angels get his moronic hands on the Terminator franchise? How can you not hit the ball out of the park the freaking Terminator?

  • May 20, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Seriously, who let McG get his stupid hands on a thoroughbred?

    by phoenixflames

    Who was it?

  • May 20, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    The New Book of Revelations

    by Stuntcock Mike

    So then because Bale art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. And insert a turkey baster into my cock head. Saying with a loud voice, Fear Bale, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of choad. And they shall see Bale's face; and his name shall be in their foreheads And his footprint on the cunt. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Bale being the FIRST! And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. Bale still kicked his ass. And whosoever was not found written in the book of Christian Bale was cast into the lake of fire. And in Bale was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Bale shrugged off the amateurs. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, for it was Bale that lit her afire, 'cause her cooch was too fucking loose. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double with the choad of Bale. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. So Bale puncheth thy cunt. Repent; or else Bale will come on thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Behold, Bale came quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, "Bale will fuck your mouth"

  • May 20, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    And so it was, that our lord taught us how to pray. According to the scriptures, beholden in the great works of Lost Jarv 6:9-13 and Danny Glover's_Dickblood 11:2-4, our master instructed us on how to worship him properly: Dear Christian, who art in movies, Hallowed be thy temper. Thy member comes. Thy will be done on earth, with fists, As it is in Libria. Give us this day our daily Bale. And forgive us our weaknesses, Yet embolden us to those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from amateurs. Amen.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    Devoted reader MORGANFREEMANS_COCKTEASE sent in this poem. It offers an interesting take on the seduction of evil. WHEN THE LIGHT DIMS When Christian's fury burns in Hell, And you feel the power swell, The Darkness flows from within the lake, All for the cause of Hurlbut's sake. The time of doom is close at hand, When Hurlbut shall rule the land. Through the Darkness you shall go; Only where, He shall know. Although Lord Bale has much might, It must conquer the piercing light! And when that light has been snuffed out, You shall hear His angelic shout: "Blessed is he who has My mark, For I shall live in the land so dark! Death to he who is spawn of the light, For he shall feel My furious might! In this land so dark and cruel, All is under Hurlbut's rule. He shall seduce, and scream tonight I won't stop moving this fucking light!

  • May 20, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Someone does something wildly out of character? Hmmm...

    by Frisco

    Is it on the same level of showing a vulcan officer getting all lovey dovey with a human subordinate (and his student, no less!) during a battle that will decide the fate of billions of people? 'Cause that was pretty fucking bad. <P> Still looking forward to Terminator 4 at this point. I owe McG $10 for Supernatural anyway...

  • May 20, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD's favorite passages from THE NEW CHRISTIAN BIBLE. "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart; and you shall find rest for your souls. For My yoke is salty, and My load is large." "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden… Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. " "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened. Or what man is there among you, when his son shall ask him for a loaf, will give him a stone? Or if he shall ask for a fish, he will not give him a snake, will he? Or if he shall say stop fucking with the light, you will continue fucking with the lights to spite me? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!" "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' "But I say to you, do not resist him who is evil; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him and with your fists, trash his fucking face."

  • May 20, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    Submitted by Abominable Snowcone BALE LINCOLN: Four score and seven fucking years ago our prick-ass fathers brought forth on this fuck-ass continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal, and dah dah dah dah dah. Now, since our lights are fucking trashed and our heads are completely OUT of the fucking SCENE, we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so fucking PROFESSIONAL, can long endure the destructive SWATH of a fucking AMATEUR. We are met on a great battle-scene of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that scene, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might long as no more boorish pricks come prancing in, all la-dah dah dah dah. It is altogether fitting and fucking PROPER that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this fucking ground, our lights having been TRASHED before. The brave men, living and dead, PROFESSIONALS, all of them, who struggled here, have consecrated it, who GOT it, far above our poor power to add or detract from their professionalism. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, since our minds are fucking out of it now, and it's useless, but it can never forget what they did here, if McG was fucking rolling. It is for us the fucking living, rather, to be dedicated here against these pricks, and to the unfinished fucking WORK which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- the kicking of asses, and that from these honored dead pricks we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of professional devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall NOT have died in vain by the trashing of pricks-- that this nation, under God, shall ne'er be SAWRY, and shall have a new birth of freedom, fucking FREEDOM, sweet Jesus -- and that government of the professionals, by the professionals, for the professionals, shall not be trashed from the set.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    Submitted by Col. Tigh-Fighter Gandalf the fucking amateur. From the lowest director to the highest emotion, I fought with the Tweaker of Lights... Until at last I threw down my fucking enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountain side... Darkness took me, and I strayed out eyeline of Bryce... The lights wheeled overhead, and every day was as long as a fucking life age of the earth... But it was not the end, professionally. I felt life in me again. I've been sent back until the amateur is done. Fucking Ass!

  • May 20, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Link to the Blessed Node of bale.

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • May 20, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    If Massa liked it I know I'll like it

    by Trazadone

    Massawyrm is the only person I consistently agree with when it comes to film reviews. Can't wait.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Take a lesson from Steven King

    by Stuntcock Mike

    He never showed a moment of footage for his one and only directorial film MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE. He only looked at the camera and said, "This movie will scare the hell out of you." Oooops.

  • May 20, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    In all seriousness though, that'd be the way to do it. It's so against the way the stupid fucking trailers of today are, it just may work.

  • May 20, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    I'm still going to see this

    by ganymede3010

    However my expectations are nil at this point. So they can only go up from here.

  • May 20, 2009, 1 p.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    Judging by reviews, T3 is better.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by fernando poo

    is what you all are

  • May 20, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by Stuntcock Mike

    The most riduculous thing is, they lay out the entire goddamn film. It's just fucked up.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Massa's identity has been stolen.

    by WickedJester

    Call LifeLock.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by emteem

    ...Merrick's first comment makes it sound like he didn't like it which definitely kicks it up a notch in my book.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    I thought Bale told McG that the story be.. there...or he won't do it..RIGHT?<P>That the script could be done as a one man play and hold up on its own with out the explosions.....<P> Is that not what somebody said...who the fuck said that.....McG? <P> Yet all I read from the critics is how the action is great but the story and character development is not there.<P> WHAT A BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKING BULLSHIT! <P> ALL PRAISE LORD BALE AND THE ON GOING STRUGGLE FOR PROFESSIONALISM fuck the slack jawed amateur Hulberts of this nation!

  • May 20, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one...

    by WickedJester

    ...that has no intention of seeing this movie?<br><br>Maybe I'll grab the R5 in a month or Netflix the Bluray in 3 months, but as someone that loves T1/T2 (iffy on T3) I have no desire to see this movie.<br><br>Glad to see we're finally in the 'future,' but let's get to the parts that we don't know the ending to.<br>It's like if they did 5 movies before Batman got his cape and cowl! We all know it's coming, just freakin' get to it.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I went to Halloween as Papa Smurf in '83

    by Tacom

    So I'm not gonna judge Massa's choice! I'm taking a pass on this TERMINATOR:SALVATION because I liked the Terminator stories set in the present even T3.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Damn you McG

    by --- Emperor ---

    AFTER ALL THAT BULLSHIT TALK ON AICN ABOUT HOW YOU "WILL NOT DISSAPOINT THE FANS, EVEN THOUGH MY NAME SOUNDS LIKE A LEPRACHAUN'S PENIS, I WON'T DISAPPOINT..." Yes....Fuck off buddy. You are an absolute disgrace, you filthy red-headed no-talent hack. You are an absolute disgrace and telling your visual effects team how you would like an explosion to look on screen IS NOT FUCKING TALENT. Now, fuck off and never make a movie again. I am sick of your worthless, talentless existence!

  • May 20, 2009, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Star Trek was about the characters

    by MattmanReturns

    I was invested in Kirk and Spock. That's why the action worked. I don't care how good the action is in this, if the characters suck, the movie sucks.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Mmmmm...opinion's pretty polarised on this one

    by KillaKane

    Hoping that it it has some redeemable entertainment value. In spite of Nolan's contributions it seems characterization and story have been jettisoned for action set-pieces. The trailers and teasers have had me stoked, plus a number of trade reviews (even Variety) have been positive about the film.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by Liquid Meddle

    Why doesn't anybody mention this? Did she do voice-over work? What context was it used in? Someone!

  • May 20, 2009, 1:54 p.m. CST

    JoBlo Gives it a Positive Review.

    by Liquid Meddle

    Seems like you either love it or hate it.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Linda Hamiltons voice ...

    by chuffsterUK

    SPOILER-ish ALERT Is heard on tapes John plays back to himself...

  • May 20, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    McGEEEE, I mean, McFlyyyyy, I mean, McGEEEE...

    by phoenixflames

    Step away from the camera, butthead, you ain't a director's turd-hole. And shave off that soul-patch, for christ's sake, you haven't earned it. One thing you can claim for yourself, however, is the tsunami of fan hatred that's headed your way. That's all yours McFly, I mean, McHammer, I mean, Ronald McDonald, I mean

  • May 20, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by TheExterminator

    can't be worse than wolverine

  • May 20, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Hamilton's actual voiceover.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    "James, stop fucking hitting meeeeee"

  • May 20, 2009, 2:19 p.m. CST

    James Cameron's Avatar voiceover.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    "Come see my film or I'll have to bust Suzy's orbital again."

  • May 20, 2009, 2:21 p.m. CST

    So you liked it?

    by mrdinky

    I ask because at least two thirds of the review criticizes the movie on fundamental levels. That said, I know who McG is, I've seen the previews, and I saw RISE OF THE MACHINES, so it's not like I won't know what I'm getting myself into this friday. I would have rewritten your review like this: "ok. it's bad. but it's not transformers bad. this is a mindless action flick with action you can actually see, and that's a major sticking point for an *action* flick." :-)

  • May 20, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Don't bow to the pressure, Massa!

    by Freakemovie

    You say you really dug the film and then spend OVER HALF YOUR REVIEW panning it. I know you're getting blitzed from all sides with co-workers saying it sucked, but if you liked it, then stick to your guns.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    saw it, T3 is better sorry guys

    by awepittance

    as bad as T3 was, it was leaps and bounds better than Salvation.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    also Danny Elfman score felt phoned in

    by awepittance

    if you were hoping for awesome Brad Fiedel homage music made by the master composer Danny Elfman you will be deeply disappointed

  • May 20, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Asimov Lives

    by rogueleader66

    At the very least, I can agree with you that T3 a very underrated film.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:33 p.m. CST

    MassaWyrm has been replaced with a terminator


    Sent back in time by McG to decieve us. Just kidding massawyrm.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Oh and by the way.....

    by rogueleader66

    Fuck Avatar

  • May 20, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Word of Bale; Book 1: Bale-Genesis

    by MegaBaltar5000

    "And he lookethed onto the amateur director, and said LET THERE BE LIGHT. And even though all the lights had been destroyedeth by the wisdom of mighty Bale, a pure and more holy light, that of professionalism, shone upon McG and lit his jean jacket aglow. <p> PROFESSIONALISM ITSELF WILL JUDGE YOU JOSEPH MCGINTY, NOT I spoketh the saviour. Mighty Bale knew he had to see amateurs at work to understand what professionalism truly was, and Bale is a generous God and wished the true Tome of Professionalism on all."

  • May 20, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Avatar: Putting you to sleep in '09

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • May 20, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Stunt Cock Mike

    by MegaBaltar5000

    Keep doing the good work of Bale, my son.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    MegaBaltar5000. It will never end.

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • May 20, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm dresed as a Terminator at the age of 9?

    by slone13

    I'm calling "bullshit". Or bad parenting, at the least.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I'm working on a T800 prototype

    by phoenixflames

    I'm going to send it round to McG's place. Does anyone know c++?

  • May 20, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by mrdinky

    No offense to McG as a person. He could be incredibly cool, but what on earth would lead ANYONE to believe this movie could be anything from his track record? CHARLIE'S ANGELS? Really? Haven't seen WE ARE MARSHALL, so I can't comment there. But this is like giving X-MEN to ratner or TRANSFORMERS to's a guaranteed turd. and did I read that correctly? the writers for CATWOMAN did this script? omg. haven't they been stoned yet? or are they just stoned?

  • May 20, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Little known fact

    by MegaBaltar5000

    Arnie Ran Windows Xp PROFESSIONAL, muthafukas!

  • May 20, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    LOL, I hate to say I told you so.....

    by TheWaqman

    but you all should have seen this shit coming. And also the action was shite, reminded me most of the time as a Road Warrior rip-off. With some pretty ugly CGI. Sam Worthington was decent in it, but the rest of the people were forgettable. And the fucking movie was just balls. McG and Bale can go suck it. I like how Bale was being a twat saying before the film came out how he signed on because it was "more than an action movie". LOL fucking idiot. Avatar/The Road 09. Nothing else matters. Trolls like stuntman mike and dickblood can keep bashing Avatar, but hey you guys thought this shit would be better....:/

  • May 20, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    That solves all continuity problems

    by MegaBaltar5000

    Arnies model in t2 was able to show emotion because his os was so fucking professional

  • May 20, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm, aren't you the dick who...

    by Guy Grand

    gushed all over the McConoughey 'Ghosts of Girlfriends Past' or was that Capone? Please clarify so I can thoroughly rule out any of your future fucking reviews. Both my wife, who I wound up taking based on the recommendation, and myself had to cut each other with fucking box knives just to get us out of our mindfuck stupor after seeing that piece of shit film. Thank ya.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Why would they give away so much in the trailer?

    by jaysin420

    The half-man/half-terminator dude really could have been an awesome twist if we all didn't know about it.

  • May 20, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    T4 = Bales fall / T5 = Bales death T6 = Bale's ressurection

    by MegaBaltar5000

    T4 = Bales fall / T5 = Bales death / T6 = Bale's ressurection

  • May 20, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    T4 was supposed to be the worst

    by MegaBaltar5000

    Bale is feeding you the amateur shit you want while he prepares to fuck you in the nose with Termitar in 2010!

  • May 20, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Termitar's 4D while fuck your sinus

    by MegaBaltar5000

    in it's ass

  • May 20, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Better get that looked at

    by MegaBaltar5000

    "Sinus infections don't bode well this time of year with allergy season. I may wait to see termitar again when the DVD comes out. And yes, that one nostril will be loose and sore for quite sometime" - Random Doctor to patient after Termitar viewing

  • May 20, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Peace bitches !1

    by MegaBaltar5000

    Going to go finish my Montana Trout Slayer Ale and finish mowing the lawn, summer's here bitches! Time to do yard work, drink, and go see shitty CGI movies! More of those last two though, too much yard work sucks.

  • May 20, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST

    TheWaqman I expect nothing from Avatar

    by Stuntcock Mike

    but 3 hours of pretty eye candy and nothing else. Assuming I ever watch it.

  • May 20, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I can't believe this....

    by JudasPriestly

    Something Massawrym actually likes.

  • May 20, 2009, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Why must Terminator movies aways spoil the twist?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    My friend didn't see any T2 trailers. So he thought Arnie was the bad guy and Robert Patrick was human until that scene in front of the Pepsi machine when the Terminators face off for the first time.

  • May 20, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    You're speaking my language there, mrdinky

    by phoenixflames


  • May 20, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I HATE "pilot episode" movies

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Star Wars kicked off a lucrative franchise, but it also WORKS AS A SAND-ALONE NARRATIVE. So did the first Terminator, Back To The Future (that "to be continued" crap at the end was intended as a JOKE, remamber), Pirates Of The Caribbean, The Matrix, ect. If they want to use Salvation as the first film of a new Terminator trilogy, fine, but I'm getting mighty sick paying ten bucks just for a bunch of set-up for the next movie two years later.

  • May 20, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Giving away shit in the trailer

    by slone13

    This is nothing new. T2 did it in their trailers when they revealed that Arnold was "good".

  • May 20, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I will take your word over Harry's thanks.

    by FACEfaceFACEface_____FACE

  • May 20, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by Six Demon Bag

    those 3 caveats you have are pretty fucking big. that's like saying the acting was bad, so was the script. but wow could they blow shit up!! respect yourself!

  • May 20, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    I agree. If T2 hadn't been so hyped and spoiled, it would have been awesome to not know beforehand who was the good guy. The scene where Arnie first turns up and shoots Patrick was still very cool though.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Hey wyrm, when you're in a hole

    by phoenixflames

    stop digging!

  • May 20, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    The Fellowship

    by donkey_lasher

    was well known, and an epic tale anyway that was done just right. Can anyone imagine anyone making another adaptation of LOTR??

  • May 20, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Bale be praised!

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I didn't read this article--I am holding off spoilers until I see the film tomorrow. I scrolled right down to Stuntcock Mike's words of wisdom, shared from the Bible of Bale itself.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale random fact #683

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Opportunity does not knock on Bale's door.<p> Opportunity is mugged by Bale in low-lit alleys.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Yeah Masswyrm the guy who liked

    by drturing

    Ghosts of Girlfriends Past and some movie with Amanda some teenybopper as a tranny soccer player.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    The way I see it

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Bale probably did a great job acting in this film, because in real life he would just punch a T800 and knock it the fuck out. Harvester schmarvester.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Does everyone realize ten years ago

    by Abominable Snowcone

    we were peeing our pants over Phantom Menace? <p> I'm slightly embarrassed now. I waited in line a week in advance to buy tickets, and I bought 'em for like three different showings. Dassa bombad.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Nice to know my $10 is in good hands

    by phoenixflames

    I didn't know this. IMDB has Catwoman writers John D Brancato and Michael Ferris. Wow! The same two names pop up for one Terminator: Salvation. So directed by mr Charlies Angels and written by the 10% on rotten tomatoes guys. How could this possibly go disastrously wrong?

  • May 20, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    you did write CONNER at least once

    by Aeghast

    ..what's up with that ?

  • May 20, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Sigh! You're right, snowcone,

    by phoenixflames

    Every time I look forward to a movie, it ends up blowing monkey ass. I mean, they released so many goddam trailers, I feel like I've already seen and hated it.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I know he's joking but....

    by drewlicious

    Harry really shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to idiotic reveiws. "Lady in the Water" is god-awful beyond reason and his defense of it was a real stretch. I can deal with a differing opinion but I can tell when someone is really, really trying to like something. Kind of like how some people (but not many) defend "The Phantom Menace." I only like a third of that one, the rest can burn for all I care.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I am no longer a fan of Christian Bale.

    by DOGSOUP

  • May 20, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Hasta La Vista!

    by Jawad

    I saw Terminator Salvation twice already and thought it was awesome both times! Gun fights, truck chases, machines blowing stuff up! Action and effects are awesome. Lots of nods and references to the first two films. No silliness trying to teach a machine to be human, (almost a reverse situation). Get off your fat asses and see this movie!

  • May 20, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Is it true?

    by Toonol

    Roger Ebert hasn't seen T1? That's really shocking. Like, enough to cast doubt on anything he says about genre films.

  • May 20, 2009, 5:44 p.m. CST

    this may be the worst year of movies

    by animas

    that i can remember

  • May 20, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    You bash SATC but allow T4 Bullshit a free pass?

    by 1922

  • May 20, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Abom does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Abom - you only went to the first show of TPM though, right?<p> Actually Liam Neeson was professional in that film. He would have survived that final duel too if he hadn't been distracted by those lights going off and on allowing Darth Hurlbut to get the stab on him.<p> Do us a favour and post a PROFESSIONAL Bale-centric review of TS tommorrow on this board once you've seen it? Bale wills it.

  • May 20, 2009, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Bale forced a re-write of the script to embiggen his part

    by chromedome

    So "this story" is not the story they originally wanted to tell, this is the story Bale forced them to tell.<p>So if the special fx are good, and the story sucks, we'll know why.<p>I'm off to adjust the lighting [a little to the left, no, wait, to the right, up a bit, no down a smidge...]

  • May 20, 2009, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Why did they put the big surprise in the trailer?

    by Ray Gamma

    They single-handedly ruined the movie by putting one of the best surprises right there in the fucking trailer!!! Idiots. </P> <P> That's like making the original 'Planet of the Apes' and then putting the Statue of Liberty in the fucking trailer. Hollywood you deserve everything you get you stupid fucking dipshits.

  • May 20, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Animas, all of our hopes rest on 9

    by Frisco

    9 will protect the future... and be a kick-ass movie.

  • May 20, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by Vitter

    GROW UP!

  • May 20, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    it´s like ¨oh i hated it¨so you rudmb coz u liked it?!!?

    by Vitter

    and come here and post it?!?! GROW UP DUDE, i like your site! but please save those things for the behind the scenes man

  • May 20, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    "Blomkamp, you're my only hope"

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    District 9 will be this year's Children of Men.

  • May 20, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Jesus, some are to quick to jump the Bale Ship.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Ye of little faith.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST


    by Continentalop

    No really, a lot of you girls should. You'll have the biggest orgasm of your life.

  • May 20, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Hey Massa, how dare you have an opinion

    by slimballs

    I mean if you work for this website you have to hate everything or else you will have a bunch of losers bad mouthing you in the comments section. When will you learn on this website you have to be negative about everything. If you aren't it means you've been paid off by the studios. All websites should get rid of the comments sections. i'm sick of all these whiny bitches. Some of them are cool but most of them are cunts that have nothing better to do than comlain about anything and everything.

  • May 20, 2009, 9:09 p.m. CST

    It cant be good, it has Bale in it

    by j2talk

  • May 20, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    T2 trailers spoiled everything too

    by glenn_the_frog

    For those complaining about the trailers spoiling the big twists... did you realize it was supposed to bea SURPRISE that Arnie was a goodguy in T2? The first 20 minutes of the film are completley ambiguous about that fact and its not until the shootout at the mall that you discover the T1000 is a machine instead of a man like in the first film... but the commercials were so full of liquid metal special effects and Arnie being buddy buddy with John Conner, that almost nobody realizes that was ever SUPPOSED to be a surprise at all!

  • May 20, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm knows how to write about film.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'm paying to see this movie, it will totally be worth $4.50 Saturday afternoon.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    FOTR was a more complete movie than most people think

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    In fact, all three movies had very distinct plot arcs that were resolved with big action setpieces by the end of wach individual film, making each, while obviously part of a larger narrative, still work as "standalone" movies. It's NOT the same as putting a "to be continued" BULLSHIT cliffhanger on the first or second movie, like POTC or the Matrix sequels.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Another surpsise-ruining trailer: Yoda in TESB

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    You weren't SUPPOSED to know he was the Jedi Master Luke was seeking on Dagobah until he starts talking to Ben Kenobi's disembodies voice, yet ALL of that film's pre-release press kept telling us that Yoda WAS the Jedi Master.

  • May 20, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    How was the lighting??

    by spiceybiscuit

    Did harry make a cameo w/a big ass slurpie?

  • May 20, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    I showed up as the Terminator once

    by Aphex Twin

    At a halloween party being thrown at a local bar. I dressed as the Terminator when he first arrives in our time. The police in San Marcos TX have a 4 minute response time.

  • May 21, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Summer = Epic fail

    by andrew coleman

    Like what the fuck do I have left to look forward to? I guess UP. That trailer actually makes me laugh I don't know even really know why. Is the remake of the Taking of Pelham going to be the best action movie of the summer? Because I know TF2 and GI Joe won't be. Shit. Hope Harry Potter can save us from the summer of "meh".

  • May 21, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Spamming the Talkback

    by lokipan

    Quantity really does equal quality at AICN

  • May 21, 2009, 12:45 a.m. CST

    "McG did a great job with the action"

    by bbbbeeeennnn

    Didn't the 2nd unit do most of the action direction?

  • May 21, 2009, 12:46 a.m. CST

    And smok'em if ya got'em?

    by bbbbeeeennnn

    You must have a fuckload of them! Still a massawyrm fan though.

  • May 21, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Usually I agree with Massawyrm more than any of the other critic

    by Super Rabbi

    ...and it continues here! I agree with everything you say! It was fun for what it's worth, I don't quite understand the hate from Harry.

  • May 21, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Stop knocking McG, the problem runs deeper...

    by empyreal0

    I'm not saying McG is a particularly talented director, but the guy obviously did everything he knew how to do. Every review out there seems to agree on one thing: the guy knows how to shoot action. Know how action appears on a movie script? Usually a handful of lines at best. He knows where to put the camera to show a story. The above quote does nail the problem, though. The guy sucks when it comes to narrative. McG has no idea how to direct an actor, and that's a real shame. He's half of a great director - pair him up with someone who understands writing and acting and let me watch that film.

  • May 21, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    by Bloodhood

    Just saw it and for what I was looking for in this movie I got... I can't understand some of the reviews, as they make it out to be a movie designed for oscar performances... When it should be taken as a kick your ass action film and thats what you get. Can't wait to see it again.

  • May 21, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST


    by HarryBlackPotter

  • May 21, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Did you not get invited to set AICN'ers

    by IrishJoe

    Empire gives it four stars. Something I'd be suspicious of except for the review is written by one of only two critics on the net whose opinion I trust. Devin Faraci of CHUD. Whatever personal vendetta you have against the film/cast/whatever Harry its so blatantly obvious and further adds to the decline of this once great site. The other critic I trust, the one who left this place to set up his own site. Moriarty I hope this movie hits big then they fucking freeze you saddo's out of any reporting on the sequel.

  • May 21, 2009, 4:03 a.m. CST

    yeah but how was the LIGHTING??

    by Maniaq

    THAT'S the burning question we all want answered!!

  • May 21, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    T2 was the first movie I ever had spoiled for me

    by white_vader

    Was thumbing through a Starlog mag and they had that pic of him all fucked up wrapping his arm around the chains lit from below by firey lava/metal. I didn't even need to read a thing to know that it could ONLY be the end of the movie and what would obviously happen to him. <p> Fuckers.

  • May 21, 2009, 8:52 a.m. CST


    by yodalovesyou


  • May 21, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Did Hurlbut shoot the new Star Trek too?

    by white_vader

    Because all that light flaring the lens the whole time was FUCKING DISTRACTNG!

  • May 21, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    So you liked the new "Terminator," Massa, eh? I can respect that.<p> But I think that in time you'll whole-heartedly regret it.

  • May 21, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    So far Wolverine is the shittiest summer movie

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Poor Hugh. Couldn't even get a hit with his one big character.

  • May 21, 2009, 1:47 p.m. CST

    thought this was cute

    by Six Demon Bag

    It’s not often that a studio can put out a movie and two sequels and not have at least one be a worthless rip-off. Spider-Man 3? Worthless rip-off. Alien3? Worthless rip-off. X-Men 3: The Last Stand? Worth renting for the scene where they destroy the Golden Gate Bridge, but otherwise … In that way, the Terminator series — which continues this week with Terminator Salvation — is an anomaly. It’s close to being the action movie version of The Godfather saga: The first Terminator was a masterpiece, the second was bigger and better and the third didn’t measure up, but is still a better film than most people give it credit for. In that way, the Terminator series — which continues this week with Terminator Salvation — is an anomaly. It’s close to being the action movie version of The Godfather saga: The first Terminator was a masterpiece, the second was bigger and better and the third didn’t measure up, but is still a better film than most people give it credit for. With that optimistic outlook, we watched the movies again, and started handing out The Arnolds — awards for the best and worst of the minutiae from the films. Congratulations to all the winners. Unfortunately, most of them aren’t around to pick up their awards … BestTerminator line “Your clothes. Give them to me.” (The Terminator) Arnold Schwarzenegger got a lot more mileage out of “I’ll be back” and “Hasta la vista, baby.” But the coolest line came during the Terminator’s first few minutes after being transported to the past, when the naked cybernetic organism approaches three punks and demands the clothes off their backs. The look on lead punk Bill Paxton’s face is priceless, and it set up the Terminator as a no-nonsense badass for the rest of the series. Honorable mention: “Come with me if you want to live!” (Terminator 2) Most undeserving Terminator death John Connor’s foster mom (Terminator 2: Judgment Day) Janelle Voight is a freaking saint. Already dealing with a beer-swilling, half-wit husband, she agrees to take a 10-year-old motorbike-riding, ATM-thieving juvenile delinquent off the state’s hands. And how is she rewarded? A liquid metal Terminator from the future comes into her home, kills her and then turns its arm into a giant stalagmite and impales her husband’s head. Honorable mention Sarah Ann Connor; Sarah Louise Connor (The Terminator — killed because their names came before the other Sarah Connor in the phone book.) Best Terminator escape vehicle The hearse (Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines) It seems as if the inhabitants of the Terminator world are always driving away from something. Easily the most outstanding escape vehicle was the shabby black “Valley of Peace” hearse that the Terminator T-101 (Schwarzenegger), John Connor (Nick Stahl) and Kate Brewster (Claire Danes) use to escape the new Terminator T-X (Kristanna Loken). The late-model American-made hearse endures a couple hundred rounds of automatic weapons fire, a circular saw attack from the T-X, several off-road excursions and a high-speed collision with a semi truck — and the hearse still reaches its destination. Honorable mention The SPCA pickup truck (Terminator 3) Most awesome Terminator special effect The T-1000 gets hit with a grenade (Terminator 2) There are so many great sequences to choose from — the first two Terminator movies featured huge innovations in makeup and digital effects. We’ll take the scene where the T-1000 (Robert Patrick) gets hit by a grenade, explodes into what looks like a ripped-apart aluminum can, then morphs back into an unstoppable man/machine. The rewind button was made for times like this. Honorable mention Terminator gives himself eye surgery (The Terminator) Most worthless Terminator protagonist Kate Brewster (Terminator 3) Terminator 3 didn’t miss James Cameron as much as everyone thought. The script was surprisingly effective, and Jonathan Mostow capably shot the action scenes. Arguably the biggest problem was the casting, including Danes as Kate Brewster, the future wife of John Connor. Danes mostly just panicked and moped a lot. And the actress looks like she might have a hard time lifting a half-full can of Pringles, much less an automatic weapon. This is a future leader of the resistance? Honorable mention John Connor (Terminator 3) Most completely random Terminator cameo Danny Cooksey (Terminator 2) We have no idea how this red-headed kid went from being cast as Sam on the death throe final seasons of Diff’rent Strokes to getting a speaking part in the highest-grossing film of 1991, playing John Connor’s juvenile delinquent friend. That’s like going from batting seventh on your beer league softball team to roaming center field for the New York Yankees. (And unlike any Yankee, Cooksey got to wear an awesome mullet!) The kid nailed the role. Bring him back for Terminator 4. Honorable mention Bill Paxton (Terminator 2) Hottest Terminator moment Linda Hamilton does a chin-up (Terminator 2) The consummation of Sarah Conner and Kyle Reese’s love may have been the romantic peak of the series — and sex is always best after making homemade explosives out of moth balls and laundry detergent. But this love fest was trashy in a bad way, taking place in a really sleazy motel when both characters hadn’t showered. The scene we freeze-frame the most is Sarah Conner’s insane asylum pull-ups-on-the-bed-frame sequence. If you grew up in the 1990s, it didn’t get much hotter than Linda Hamilton’s well-defined triceps. Honorable mention Ginger and Matt’s phone sex (The Terminator); Schwarzenegger’s first naked trip through the teleportation plasma ball from the future (The Terminator).

  • May 21, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Now if this was done by JJ ..

    by vvrinne

    .. you can bet his asshole would be red by now from the amount of licking it had received.

  • May 21, 2009, 4 p.m. CST

    I was entertained, but that doesn't mean

    by ColorsFade

    ... that I thought it was a great film or anything. @Ray Gamma - you are correct. But even if they had not put that scene in the trailer, you would have figured it out in the first five minutes of the film because of the way they handle the Marcus character. It would have worked much better as a big surprise in the film. I dunno... the film has flaws, obviously. But I liked the look of it, the action, the camera use... I'm hoping for a reverse Matrix effect; I hope McG and Co. listen to the critiques and make the next two films better with improved character development, dialog, and a smarter story.

  • May 21, 2009, 5:18 p.m. CST

    PogoPope is the Nickelback of AICN reviewers.

    by Sal_Bando

    Use that for whatever ya wanna.

  • May 21, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    A real mixed bag here

    by liljuniorbrown

    I plan on seeing it for myself regardless of the venom that Harry spewed all over it. If i'm disapointed thats my loss. I chose to skip seeing Star Trek and some how my life goes on. Who would have thought?

  • May 21, 2009, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Do you people understand what a 2nd Unit Director does?

    by drturing

    They shoot all the action scenes for directors like McG. I'm not kidding. How do you think that guy went from being the 2nd unit director on the matrix films to v for vendetta? Cause he directed like 1/3 of all the matrix movies. McG may have had a hand in the storyboards and animatics, and been present on set to wear headphones and applaud and not see his DP fucking over his godlike actor, but the 2nd unit director is who is in charge of action. Unless you're James Cameron.

  • May 21, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST


    by soloaj

    DUMBEST MOVIE PLOT HOLE EVER - all skynet has to do is shoot kyle in the head when he is captured and verified!!! Dead Kyle = end of movie-John doesn't exist fade to black. I was sitting there thinking hmmm this could be interesting when they kill Kyle how will they explain all of this but noooo = Que explosions and some stupid heart to heart transplant. COME ON GUYS!WAKE UP!

  • May 22, 2009, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Fuck this PG-13 teenie bullshit movie to hell!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Damn you McG! Damn you to hell!

  • May 22, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    I'm not going to get sucked into the

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    this movies sucks, no you're wrong it's great, no you suck for thinking that way diatribes. I'm not even going to post something different on all the talbacks on T4. I'm going to write this, copy and paste once and be done with it. There are spoilers so be careful. I don't have time to read all the comments, so excuse me if I'm repetitive. First, I'm glad TSCC was cancelled right before this came out. I had hopes for the show. It's not a bad show, but I just can't get over them changing the canon of oh wait well now machines really can travel to the past, oh by the way we put our own cells in the fifties, and instead of having them find Sarah and save her they'll just sit around. Having said that T4 is visually a good film. We expected that from McG although there were moments when it did look like we were watching Transformers or The Matrix. This was a kick ass action film. But, is that enough for Terminator fans. I suggest no one spout off on this movie until they see it. The one point that really bugs me is this. If Marcus was programmed to infiltrate the resistance so he could kill Reese and Connor why didn't he just do it when he first met them both. He had the chance. He didn't have to lure them back to skynet. The only thing I can think of is maybe his programming could not go that far. To make him believe he is human, which he is I suppose, they couldn't have him side with the machines and kill them outright. Another thing that bugged me is the fact that all of a sudden the machines know Reese is the father of Connor. That means they know they will invent time travel. They didn't know Reese was the father before, so why do they know now. And, if they did, why didn't they kill him when they first captured him. Look fellow nerds is it a perfect movie, of course not. It is a good movie with a few sticking points. I don't see any of you going out there and making a movie.

  • May 22, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    We need to let go

    by unclebusu

    All these reviews talking about how these films shaped our childhoods are boring. Just review the big dumb action flick

  • May 22, 2009, 7:04 p.m. CST

    So Massa was talking about

    by BradleyCoopersInnerActionHero

    quite obviously the scene where Moon "I got naked for this but the producers thought a naked governator would be hotter so youll never see my tits EVER" Bloodgood busts Marcus out of the station putting everyone at risk. I too thought this was a bit unrealistic. Doesnt she realize that even if he thinks hes human, at any point Skynet can send him orders and take control of him? No one who fights for their lives against Skynet day after day would so blindly trust this guy. Its really not a bad movie, its just all the dialogue has been heard before (ie "the war rages on"). Its just nothing original. The action was great though Soooooo much better than Wolverine