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Branagh has found his Loki!
Hey folks, Harry here on Twitter, where I've been writing initial impressions of the latest Terminator - but as I'm segueing into my DVD column, I figured I'd put this up. I'm not familiar with Tom Hiddleston's work so far - but I have to say - he looks right at the very least. In Protosevich's early drafts - Loki was a wonderfully written and developed character. Not just EVIL, but a character that feels betrayed by his existence and who he thought he was. It isn't some maniac, but someone that is finding out who he is and what he must do. What do you readers in the UK think of Mr Hiddleston?
Tom Hiddleston Confirmed as Loki in Marvel Studios’ THOR
Marvel Studios announced today that Tom Hiddleston has been cast to play the villain Loki in the studio’s highly anticipated movie THOR. Kenneth Branagh will direct the film penned by Mark Protosevich and Ashley Miller & Zak Stentz
Marvel Studios’ Kevin Feige will produce the film. The film will be released in the US on May 20, 2011 and distributed by Paramount Pictures.
Marvel Studios expands its film universe with a new type of superhero: THOR. This epic adventure spans the Marvel Universe; from present day Earth to the realm of Asgard. At the center of the story is The Mighty Thor, a powerful but arrogant warrior whose reckless actions reignite an ancient war. Thor is cast down to Earth and forced to live among humans as punishment. Once here, Thor learns what it takes to be a true hero when the most dangerous villain of his world sends the darkest forces of Asgard to invade Earth.
THOR reunites Hiddleston with Branagh, with whom he worked on the London production of Chekhov’s Ivanov. The talented actor and Branagh also starred together in the BBC miniseries Wallander.
Hiddleston’s credits also include Othello, in which he starred with Chiwetel Ejiofor and Ewan McGregor at the Donmar Warehouse, and he played Winston Churchill's son in HBO's The Gathering Storm.
In 2008, Hiddleston was nominated twice for the Laurence Olivier Award for Best Newcomer – for his role in Othello, and for his role in Cymbeline. He won the award for the latter.
In addition to THOR, Marvel Studios is also scheduled to release a slate of films based on the Marvel characters including IRON MAN 2 on May 7, 2010, THE FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA on July 22, 2011, and THE AVENGERS on May 4, 2012.
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good actor - should be goodOh and FIRST bitches!
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yes?
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Oh and who the fuck is Tom Hiddleston?
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ririte2And people who shout FIRST are idiots. Including me.
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Always room for a Blackadder quote
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I missed the final two. If puzzled, see the Inglourious Basterds trailer.
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mainly in Asgard, with a LOTR type vibe.
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Now that's some damn good casting. 'Othello' at the Donmar was, and I think Shakespeare would have written a similar statement, "the shit".
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Who saw that coming?
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May 19, 2009 3:41:58 AM CDT
It's a good thing it's not set in Asgard, nor should Cap
by industrykiller!
be set entirely in world war 2. First of all for both it's entirely unnecessary to tell two hours origin stories. Both can be set in Asgard/WWII respectively for the first half hour of their run times before settling into the real plot on present day Earth. Seriously the Avengers film would have to be 5 hours long if you wanted to have time to acclimate BOTH these characters properly into a modern setting. To balance every character properly The Avengers is going to need 2 and a half hours as it is and it's going to have to hit the ground running with every character already in their respective places on the team. You can't do that if Cap has JUST been thawed out or Thor has JUST arrived on Earth. There needs to be character moments of these guys getting used to being strangers in a strange land, many of them in fact, and if you try to cram that all into an Avengers movie its not gonna have time to get any of it right while balancing several other characters, a few of whom will have just been introduced (ala Hawkeye), and a plot that will pose a threat to the team.
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Man they really should have gone with Alexander Skarsgaard. What a fucking waste. If Hemsworth keeps his Star Trek "dude-bro" voice then it's all fucked.
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you know its true
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Have they officially announced who plays Thor yet? This dude seems to be perfect for Loki, especially considering their past work together, I'm sure Branagh would only pick him if he were excellent for the role.
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search your feeligns uyou know it to be tue.
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lol Will thor come to earth and eat some kfc and seach for the cosmic key?
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expecting much out of the Thor film.
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May 19, 2009 3:57:34 AM CDT
Face it - This is going to be a big pile of shit
by wolverines_leaky_workprint
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Chris Hemsworth ("Star Trek" Kirk's Doomed Daddy, the upcoming "Red Dawn" remake) is the one to be kicking Loki's ass. Aussie actor. Tall. Muscular. Decent actor. Good fit.
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May 19, 2009 4:02:39 AM CDT
Again...THOR is fucking retarded, no one cares
by theenderreturnstosmiteoncemore
Such a stupid decision to go ahead with this movie. Thor sucks fucking balls. A viking helmet and a hammer with lightning bolts shooting out of its top....ancient talk....A fucking planet named ass gard. Yeah, none of that sounds gay. Great idea marvel, I mean, there are no interesting directions to explore like....I dont know....Magneto? Apocalypse? A Hulk Sequel? Cable? Twat man? Any of those would be more interesting than fucking Thor. Give me a break.
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I'm happy they're not cluttering this particular project up with big names.. can't say why, exactly.
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2 hrs of Thor, eating KFC and saying 'Thou art no finer meal in all of Asgard' or him smashing up a ghetto blaster, 'Forsooks what cacophony is this' or smashing up a load of police cars in downtown New York 'What are these Metal chariots of no horse drawn' Falling in love with, I don't know an expert in Norse Mythology at the Smithsonian or something. I'd much rather him take on frost giants and stuff, with Heimdall, and those other dudes he hangs out with, Balder, Sif and a really sexy Entrantress. Then at the end of the movie, Odin banishes him to modern day Earth. Ready for a sequel, or to join up with the Avengers. I mean, how many times are we going to see that fish out of water story played out?
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What next a Deadpool movie starring Ryan Reynolds?? - Oh wait...
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I don't know who he is.
Yet that is cool.
I was under the impression J.Hartnett was going to get it.
I think Paul Reubens would have been good to.
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They've done well so far and the casting for Iron Man was spot on. I trust this.
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Normally I agree with you, but not this time. Well at least not entirely. While I think you can get away with Thor in the modern era for his first movie (more about that later) I think Captain America just works better completely taking place in WWII for his origin story. To me he has always been a version of the King Arthur legend - the great warrior who fell but will return in our moment of greatest need to lead us from evil (or the Hulk and Ultron).
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May 19, 2009 4:28:28 AM CDT
Kenneth Branagh's ULTIMATE THOR. Mucking up a franchise near you
by monkey_king
MARVEL needs to stay true to the comics origins and stop adding ULTIMATES bullshit into the mix and ruining potentially great comic films.
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I agree, but I'd totally watch your first version of the movie. ;-)
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I have always seen him as a little bit like Neo from the Matrix.
You live your life as a crippled doctor, thinking that gods and giants and mythology are just a bunch of bs, and then suddenly your eyes are opened and you find out your entire life has been a lie - you really are a Norse God of Thunder and everything you thought was make believe is real.
Kind of like Jesus in the desert when he turns 30 - he finds out he is the son of God, sent down to save mankind and resist the temptations of Satan. Well, here the guy finds out he is the son of Odin and that he has been sent down to save Midgard and resist the tricks of Loki. -
resembles the Norse god in the Eddur.
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it doesn't have to be an origin story, even if it is set in Asgard. Origin - he's the son of Odin - end of Origin. He can still have a load of kick ass adventures in Asgard - without it being about his origin. I think the City he lives in could look pretty cool with the right production design. Some great location work in Scandinavia or New Zealand, much better than him wandering around modern day New York. Anyway, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt at least until I see the first trailer.
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He much more closely resembles Milton's Lucifer.
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yep, I see that working. I could live with that.
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be set only in WWII, as well, agreeing with Continentalop. Make it like the flashbacks in the Bru/Epting version (though we'll probably get smaltz, considering who the director is). I'd like to see a bit of the Invaders as well, but I'm dreaming.
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Even though I suggested it, I don't know if I could live with it.
Thor is probably the hardest character I can think of when it comes to adapting him to a movie. Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Sub-Mariner and Dr. Strange all seem easier and more straightforward then he does.
Personally, the only way I think you can adapt this to a film is go all out and say "fuck it". we are treating this 100% serious. No winks, no self-references, no implication that you are embarrassed by the material.
I am not comparing Thor to LOTR, but imagine if Peter Jackson had tried to do that movie without 100% believing in it and seeing it as a serious book? I imagine that most studios and directors before that movie would have treated it like Willow. Same thing with Thor. -
I shouldn't type late at night.
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he aint acting heavy weight, but at least he looks somehow like loki!
the keanu things sounds somehow weirdly ok. i mean you cant top keanu playing an alien, but keanu playing a god...well i must learn to dig that, but i`m cool with that...i love me some stiff keanu all the way you gotta love keanu. even if always the nutsack is in the way. he is the most likeable none actor on the planet!:) -
fleshed-out FF corner of the Marvel U, with the Inhumans, the Negative Zone, etc.
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One thing I don't think they need in Cap is to dwell on his origin and the start of his career. Just a quick flashback (or someone watching film) of the experiment that turned him into Captain America and then have most of the movie take place at the end of WWII, when the Allies were about to cross the Rhine (or at least after D-Day). I want Cap in action on the western front, not fighting Nazi spies back in the US and going from naive youth to hardened hero.
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sharp features, and wild, flame-like hair of Arthur Rackham's version of Loki.
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I concur. They could gloss his origin like the recent Incredible Hulk.
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The FF movies should be a template of what NOT to do with a super-hero movie, especially Thor. Story and the studios just said "oh, Super Hero movie, you got to treat it campy and stupid." Like you said, they have the Inhumans and the Negative Zone, plus all the guys they screwed up with (Doom, Galactus). That should have been the Star Trek/Star Wars of Super-Hero movies.
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Avengers extravaganza. It would be cool to see Cap diving into and destroying a crowd of AIM or Hydra goons.
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in that they avoided the sci-fantasy of the book, as you point out.
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write the FF script, should Marvel ever get the rights back, or Fox decides to reboot. Jackson/Chris said he'd set it in a quasi-60's super science milieu. Probably best not to have it dovetail with the Marvel film Universe, though Thor may skew it more akin to the 616 anything goes.
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Would be awesome. But remember, the Avengers were the ones who found him and rescued him, so technically they would be following the comic books to they did a Cap movie, followed by an Avengers movie (or two), followed by another Cap movie.
Personally, I would love to see a Captain America and the Falcon movie where they are trying to stop the Red Skull from getting the Cosmic Cube, but that is just the type of nerd-boy I am. -
making way for Doctor Strange -- or did Marvel sell the rights? That one would need to be full blown Ditko mindbending design. As much as I dislike the cross-eyed sensation recent 3D flicks give one, that one might benefit from the gimmick.
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you can't live with your own suggestion? Yeesh! :)
I hope Iron Man wasn't a happy accident. A FF movie/universe with The Inhumans, Namor(if done correctly) a decent Dr Doom - could be awesome.
One thing I disagree on though is Wonder Woman - I don't see a movie of that being an easier proposition - to me, that seems one of the hardest properties to get right. Wow, a fairly intelligent talkback for once, where's Danny Glovers DB and Der Laarghie et al to ruin it all. -
inspired by Steve Ditko weirdness? - Oh yes!
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he was old already in mad max 3, so it makes sense!
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though they'll probably just shoehorn Falcon in. I'd bet we'll get a Black Panther cameo, as well, to test the waters for a spin off.
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He is like the anti-Batman and Iron Man. Just have him be a genius without powers who hates Mr. Fantastic and the FF and uses his resources and genius to take them on. The only way he can go up against them physically (when he has too) is by using an ex-skeleton and armor he designed. You could of had it like an evil version of the scene where Stark builds his armor; here you got Doom constructing a weapon/defense system that is designed specifically for him to survive a confrontation with the FF.
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I saw some idiots arguing against a Namor movie, on the basis that they think he is lame (and they were claiming they were Marvel fans). No sense of history, these kids!
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The problem with my suggestion is that you would have to treat it 100% serious. It would be like the Passion of the Christ for super-hero movies, and I just see that type of angle would be hard for studios to swallow or for a director to pull off, no matter how talented he is.
I would love for them to go down that path, but I also realize that their is a good chance that it would come across as overindulgent, pretentious or just damn stupid. You've got to hit all the right buttons or else it will blow up in your face. -
set it during the 40's, as well, though they'd probably get accused of copying CA: the first Avenger. Unless they made it full blown Weird War II pulp craziness. I'd see that. I saw a recent Photoshop of what her costume could look like that was actually really cool, and faithful.
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But I think he would have worked better by first introducing him in the FF and then doing a solo movie with him. I just think that he always worked better as the "noble foe" (whether against the FF or the original Human Torch) than as a straight up hero.
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Because I always thought a good What If?/Elseworld story would be what if it wasn't Steve TREVOR who crashed on Paradise Island but Steve ROGERS? It would explain she wears such a patriotic costume (she patterned it after Cap, who she finds attractive).
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Thank fuck for that. That guy should play Pinocchio, he's that wooden. I'm glad Branagh is going with the unknowns.
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his appeal by desperately not trying to offend anyone. He should have a thick accent, a booming voice, and terribly intimidating and self-righteous, with his diplomatic immunity. I can't get the impression out of my head of the 60's toon version of young Victor bellowing "No one expels Victor Von Doom!" when they kicked him out for his dangerous experiments.
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Her color scheme is historically accurate, by the way, given the ancient Greeks/Hellenes actually painted their statues and structures with broad accents of red and blue.
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If it's done right, like a serious Drama with a capital "D" then Branagh will make it work. He's a good director who understands and appreciates the actors craft.
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Or just a straight up anti-hero in a solo flick, considering anti-heroes are popular with the public, right now (take Sawyer in LOST, for instance, or House).
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I guess WB knows they have a stinker on their hands then?
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I'm looking forward to hearing an interview in which Branagh describes/defends his approach to the property. He is definately not one to shy away from taking risks, and treating Thor (the Marvel version) seriously is definately risky, as far as the general viewing public goes.
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That doesn't bode well. The only alternative reason I can think of, is that there is some huge TWIST ending. And even that's a stretch. We've known the ending for AGES and AGES. And even the 6th Sense didn't have an embargo on reviews.
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JAPAN.
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First of all I TOTALLY agree with you on the origin part of the origin. There is no need to see scrawny Steve Rogers entering the army and not cutting it physically and volunteering for the super soldier program blah blah blah. Just a quick flash of scenes in a moment of exposition would be fine. Maybe even pepper it here and there into the story or make it the pre-credits sequence. Whatever, the point is that isn't the meat and potatoes of the character, thats not the real arc.
Now here is where I disagree with you. The real arc, I believe, is Rogers waking up in present day and finding just how much the world has passed him by and how he carves out a place for himself as the de facto moral compass of the superhero world. Becoming relevant again. I think you would agree that that is a story that is going to need a lot of time, heart, and focus. Now if you can eek out TWO Captain America movies before the Avengers film then fine, I would absolutely take one set in WWII and the other in present day. But I doubt that is going to happen. And they simply won't have time to give Cap's resurgence the time it needs to unfold in an Avengers movie when they are already gonna have their work cut out for them with so many other characters. An Avengers film shouldn't be about Captain America, it should be about the team. So with that said I don't see how making the first half hour of the Cap film WWII would be such a sacrifice. How many WWII fight scenes do you really need? How about one epic 20 minute battle of him invading Red Skulls castle and culminating in a fight with Skull and the detonation of the nuclear bomb, Bucky (if you even wanna use him) dying, Cap shot into the arctic ocean and long thought dead. Then you've got the rest of the film to establish Rogers and his conundrum in our time and bring back Red Skull as a threat with an epic plan. Also the theme of what those old time American values means to us now, how they integrate into our society, and while old, are still valuable, and what exactly that generation still has to teach us is incredibly interesting. If handled with the proper nuance, can help take off some of that rah rah American cheese that many associate with the character with a true exploration of what American values means and how it's been so perverted in the last administration. Without being that overt of course, it's still gotta be fun. -
A large multi layered story but at the end the people, instead of hating him, come to truly believe in this guy and didn't realize just how badly they needed his brand of guidance.
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Seriously he's hte only actor I can think of that would even begin to pull it off. No Matter what you thought of The Spirit as a film, he walked a VERY delicate tightrope and made the old fashioned noir style work for him. He was easily the best part of that film. Now he'd have to play it a little straighter with Cap but I think that would actually be easier than nailing a very specific style. And he's got the look down totally cold. He's ruggedly handsome, a fine actor, and has the kind of presence and voice that makes it believeable people would follow him into battle. I hope people don't hold The Spirit against him because he was great in a film with a ridiculous script, imagine what he could do with a good one.
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And that's all I'll fucking say.
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I saw him in 'Othello' in London and he was excellent, I left keen to see him in more. And to have been a stand-out in that cast is really something.....
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I mentioned that in the other post. Maybe someone else did too, I don't know but he has the size, appearance, and of course the voice. Hell, just dig out the old Vultan costume, add some fur, and you're all set.
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But having seen the London production of Ivanov I can say that Hiddlestons a bloody good actor and Gina McKee gets better looking every year.
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because I'm an infant.
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Those are the two Marvel characters I'd actually like to see adapted.
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As he and Branagh are friends and worked together many times I'm sure the only reason he might not do it us because he doesn't want to. Caught the repeat of him guest presenting HIGNFY on Dave the other night. Fucking hilarious!!
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May 19, 2009 7:20:25 AM CDT
Thor the Thespian...not that there is anything wrong with that
by cant_stop_yawning2
I think SNL or Mad Tv did a sketch a long time ago about Batman, the Musical. With Branagh at the helm, that is what this is looking like. Thor is a ridiculous enough character as it is without...oh forget it. I won't be seeing it...
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"A large multi layered story but at the end the people, instead of hating him, come to truly believe in this guy and didn't realize just how badly they needed his brand of guidance."
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That is who he reminds me of.
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But I knew it would be shit. You bitches are so fickle. Only I remain committed. Enjoy the latest AICN EMBARGO OF SHAME AND SYNCOPANTHY
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Unless Branaugh pulls it off.
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This idea that you could just do a quick flashback is ridiculous. You have to show what made Cap the hero he is, and I don't mean the super soldier serum, I mean his deeds in WWII.
When Rogers gets the formula, because he's the only one who actually ends up with it, have the US military basically decide to use him as the poster-boy for the Allies war effort.
Have him be put in that costume to be a symbol for the American troops to counter the Nazi propaganda. But Cap himself doesn't want to be just a poster on the wall, he wants to fight, he wants to do some good.
When he finally gets to go on real missions, he basically has to earn the respect of the other members of his unit since they see him as just a propaganda tool. Of course Cap kicks some Nazi ass and is ultimately sent after one of Hitlers key people - The Red Skull.
Ultimately, Cap fights Red Skull above the Arctic on the wing of a plane bound for New York (or something), Cap wins of course but at the cost of his own life as he falls into the icy waters of the Arctic.
The movie ends with a funeral for Captain America. Bucky gives a speech about how he was a hero blah blah...fade to black.
Then....beep....beep....beep.....the sound of a heart monitor...fade in....Cap wakes up to see Bruce Banner standing over him at SHIELD headquarters.
The Avengers movie would actually begin a few weeks before this incident and we would see how Banner came to be with SHIELD and how they actually found Captain America.
Fuck this modern day Cap shit. Cap was born in WWII. He died in WWII. He was reborn in modern day. The Cap movie should show what he actually did in WWII. If you want him waking up to a world he doesn't know, show that at the end and continue with it in the Avengers movie or another Cap movie but just throw away the origin as a brief flashback. -
Dude looks like Chris Makepeace from My Bodyguard and Meatballs. That's all I have to say about that.
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STEROIDS.
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Now I think it can be done, but I think releasing it only months apart from Avengers (which also has to be largely his story, at least the first film) is the real mistake. There will be little replay value w/o Avengers due to their proximity; the Cap film won't stand on its own in audiences' minds.
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i offically have 0% interest in this.This sounds like utter, stright-to-dvd hogshit!
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anyone -even a b or c-list actor (that we might all apreicate) would've been a good choice.But 2 unknowns?! come on! THEY HAVN'T EARNED OUR INTEREST or our all-mighty dollars! Fuck you Ken brannagh!
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or will that confuse viewers on Ang Lee's Hulk?
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Dr. Doom steals Odin's lifeforce or something?
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if you want fun stupid action movie whole family can enjoy, please rewatch the FF movies. after TDK, that kind of statement just saddens me. and it's easier for actors to just bulk up than to get bodybuilders to act. acting is not as easy as you'd think. just ask arnold.
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the later two are science based. thor is fantasy based. unless you're making campy fun summer film, then the 2 just wont mix well.
go the ultimate route and make him a strong man with a god complex. he thinks he's a god, but the rest of the avengers think he's a loony. that's the only way this would gel. -
Except for the end, where he wakes up in the present, as someone up above mentioned. His entire arc of going from zero to hero to martyr can be told in one film taking place within WWII. Have an epilogue where he wakes up in present day, add a little James Bond style tag at the end saying "Captain America will return... In The Avengers, 2012!!!" Then, in Avengers' opening, you show them finding Cap, and Cap's arc in the film is acclimating to this new, less patriotic world filled with other powerful heroes and leading pple that aren't used to taking orders (Tony). It can be done in a way that still preserves the ensemble film without makig it another Captain America movie. Afterall, LOTR was about Frodo but in the end was still an ensemble piece.
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Wait...people actually care about Thor? Where is the Ant-Man talkback?
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I see no reason not to use the original 616 Thor mythos. Branagh can deliver on that shit if anyone can.
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Thor is not Iron Man, Iron Man is not the FF, the FF are not the X-Men, the X-Men are not Daredevil, Daredevil is not Spidey yet THEY ALL EXIST IN ONE UNIVERSE. Embrace it.
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Zak Stentz & Ashley Miller - agent cody banks(wait... it took 2 writers to write agent cody banks????), sarah connor chronicles
Mark Protosevich - the cell, poseidon, i am legend.
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all in the same universe, yes. the comic book universe, where tony stark can pack his mark III suit in a suitcase and carry it around with him, where people can hate the mutants but at the same time embrace spidey/FF/etc(heroes with mutant like powers), and they crossover like nobody's business.
but when you're dealing with real people/actors and real surrounding, a certain level of realism has to be maintained. a good movie makes you believe in the world presented. and ironman and hulk already did a good job making us believe. adding a norse mythology to those characters's worlds would just stretch the credibility too much. -
Much better fit.
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I thought it was being made by Edgar Wright? Where's the casting at for that project?
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the big question about a Cap movie is whether they're going to have Bucky. And if they do, are they going for the 'aw shucks' sidekick, as he was originally, or are they going for the recent ret-con where Bucky was the trained killer who did the dirty work that Cap wouldn't do. Or better yet, show Bucky as the normal sidekick, kill him off, then, in a sequel, bring him back as the Winter Soldier, where we see, in flashback, that Bucky had been a bad ass the whole time. I hope they don't screw up Bucky, since Brubaker's Bucky/Winter Soldier character is probably the best Marvel creation/retcon of the last 10 years. Just brilliant stuff. People who say Captain America isn't relevant today need to read Brubaker's run.
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I think the first Cap movie should take place almost completely in WWII. In fact, D. Vader, I wouldn't even have him wake up in the end. Just show him in storage somewhere, cryogenically frozen. Have him get thawed out in the Avengers (like Avengers #4).
Industry Killer, I am going to respectfully disagree with you again. I don't think Cap getting used to the modern world would over power the rest of the Avengers movie, nor do I think he would get all of the focus. Why? Because I think that Cap shouldn't show up in an Avengers movie until at least halfway through it. I mean, he is the savior, the Once and Future King. I think you have to show that the Avengers are desperate and need someone to "save" them now, someone who can actually lead this disorganized group. You might show hints of Cap reacting to the modern world for the first time, but once the big threat is over then have a solo Cap movie were he really does deal with the fact that he is a man out of time.
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I thought people stopped doing things like that on simple casting choices because it made them look like reactionary, trollish retards.
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I think the tonal shift problems come up when you have characters suddenly appear for the first time. I mean, imagine how uncomfortable and awkward it would feel to watch a movie where a green giant, a WWII super-soldier, a man who wears a hi-tech armor, a Norse god, and a man and a woman who shrink all appear for the first time, each with completely different origins.
But if they each have already been established, I think audience will be much more likely to accept it. It is kind of like when they first had the Universal Monsters cross-over (I think it was House of Frankenstein) and you had a creature who was brought back from the dead by a scientist operating in the same world as an undead count and a man cursed to change into a werewolf (and if I remember right, the mad scientist Dr. Frankenstein was offering to cure the Wolfman). -
I believe they should have Bucky in the first movie. He is what gives Captain America pathos in the modern age - not just that he is a man out of time but he is a man who feels he failed his best friend and comrade in arms. He has survivors guilt.
Plus I have always thought Bucky was a great metaphor for those lost during the Big One (or soldiers in general). Yes he was young, but so too were many of the men who died during WWII, all of whom met it way before there time.
Personally, however, I hope they never touch the Winter Soldier story line. I think it is great, but I also think it works much better in the comics than it does in a movie. To me it would cheapen his cinematic death and undermine a lot of the Cap's motivation and anguish. -
You do Cap in WWII for 45 mins, then do another 90+ in the modern world. If Cap had stayed a Golden Age character, he'd be a fond memory at best. But when Stan Lee resurrected him in the present day (although when he did it it wasn't that far removed from his "era") he, probably unwittingly, added the pathos and poignancy that makes the character great. And how much greater is it when he's resurrected not a simple two decades past, but six-and-a-half decades? In an era with cell phones, computers, pornography, tolerance for various races and sexualities (well, somewhat)? What is his culture shock going to be like when he sees a black chick making out with a white chick while laughing guys take cell phone camera pics? He'll totally lose his shit. And let's not forget that although Cap is open-minded and truly loves and cares for us all (he is a hero, after all), that he's also the product of the 20s-30s and that almost everything is going to confuse him and make him uncomfortable at first.
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i have all the faith in the world in him, but if marvel is going to sink over a hundred million into this movie (And they will) then they're going to have create some revolutionary new way to sell it because it all boils down to names that people trust (which sucks i know) and the first two casting decisions will offer none of that to the american public and to be honest neither will branagh's name (how many superhero loving movie fans have seen any of branagh's shakespeare movies?). and i only give half of a shit because i genuinely want to see this planned avengers movie and you know damn good and well that if thor performs poorly, marvel will get sent into some hissy over whether or not to come at the story from a different angle and by then they'll already be in production and shit will hit the fan. no avengers movie for another year, by then, people start to walk, and then we're stuck with another punisher reinvention starring one of those turds from supernatural. did i rant for a second? sorry.
point is, nothing thus far has given me much faith that this movie can be sold to a wide audience. the script is out there. it's good. but its out there. and i think it's a stretch to expect the american viewing public to care about the son of odin. im probably wrong. but maybe i'm not. -
The mythos for each character can stand-alone for each film/separate franchise - I understand the issue of tone in cinema vs. comics. When they come together as a team though, they can do something more appropriate to that joined tone.
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You can't just drop him into the present and make him a small subplot. It has to be largely his story with other characters' subplots for the first film, at least.
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The one set in WW2. Cap doesn't lend himself to a solo film franchise. Everything else with him for the future should be dealt with in Avengers films - though not all should focus largely on him like the first one should.
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Because it will make the difference between his era and ours even greater. You have already followed this character through one movie, now you have to follow him in a completely different setting in the next (be it Avengers or another Captain America movie). Plus, how often have we seen a superhero in a WWII setting? The Rocketeer and bits of the Watchmen are the only ones that comes to mind, and even in that we never saw them in full action during WWII. I mean, it could be like The Dark Knight fighting in the Battle of the Bulge or Normandy. That is something I want see!
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he looks like a cartoon character
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You are probably right. In fact, I started thinking "Why can't Cap be the center of attention in an Avengers movie?" All the other actors will have their moment to shine in their own solo movies, but just make Cap the most prominent Avenger or the one with the biggest character arc. What they did with Wolverine (making him the star) in the X-Men actually works better with Cap and the Avengers.
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Unlike Wolverine, Cap has always been the center of the Avengers, the engine which really kicked them off and made them work. Wolverine is a very large part of the X-Men, but there are other big stars too; unfortunately, Fox was too stupid and constantly made Wolverine the star at every turn. With the Avengers, Cap can be our eyes and ears to a strange new world for the first film, learning about each team member and building particularly strong relationships with, say, Tony, Thor or the Wasp, and then we can really explore them all as a unit in subsequent sequels.
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Cap and Avengers films should be six months to a year apart.
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The good thing about the Avengers is that the other characters have their own movies to let them shine, unlike the X-Men (which should have treated each character equally instead of putting spotlight on one character). Plus in the later movies Cap can finally step away from the spotlight once the other "newer" characters start appearing (Hawkeye, Vision, maybe Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch).
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if they put him in the traditional loki costume... casting relative unknowns is always a crapshoot, for every hugh jackman there are at least 100 putzes you never hear from again. i wish the guy good luck.
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Have him involved in all the mythology. Then have him screw up and banished to Migard at the end. Sets up future movies and his meeting with the Avengers. Also, count me in as wanting to see a CA movie set in WWII. Have him disappear at the end of the first movie. Have him discovered in the Avengers movie. Have future CA movies in the present time.
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It'll be hard not to make the green and yellow bodysuit with enormous horns not look silly.
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and if Branagh & he have worked together before, that can help; they'll be familiar w/ how each other's mind works.
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of the first film - at least that the vast majority takes place in Asgard. Which is partly why folks aren't screaming in horror at the thought of Branagh directing it. Asgard is inherently big & overdone, and given Branagh's style, should fit right in.
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Appreciate it.
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so i'm a twentysomething hip-hop fanatic.
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fucking duh.
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May 19, 2009 1:46:04 PM CDT
The Avenger should not be a de facto Captain America movie
by industrykiller!
The Avengers are just not about Captain America acclimating to modern day. That's just not what they are about and you can't do bth int he same movie. It simply won't work. You can't have Cap waking up and immediately leading the Avengers. They would have no reason to respect this guy as the leader of their team over someone like Tony Stark, and I really don't want to see two hours of nothing but bickering until they FINALLY come to respect each other at the end. There should be tension and fights for sure, but it would be overdone if Cap had JUST been unfrozen. Moreover it's not organic to have this guy unfrozena nd then immediately say "Hey guy, Wanna join a superhero team?" No one would even be sure if he could do it or if he would be able to stand up on his own two feet in a fight. The guy has been gone for over 60 years. I could go on about why that won't work. I realize you wanna see a Cap WWII movie, but I think that want is getting int he way of what realistically can be achieved in a slightly over two hours Avengers film.
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Yeah...I know...comic book, but...
Just exactly how can someone be frozen for 60 years and still live?
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...it's just a science-fictiony exaggeration of the concepts of suspended animation and cryonics. See http://tinyurl.com/2obhvt
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I'm guessing his "Super Soldier Serum" helped keep him alive.
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pure gumption.
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Didn't get cast as Thor. So please get over it. Just because the guy wielding the Hammer isn't your personal Thor wet-dream doesn't automatically make every other pick awful, or a waste. My god. Ya know, sometimes I forgot why I don't read the AICN talkbacks more often, and then Tony Stark gay jokes and pathetic whining step in and remind me. So thanks guys. I'm out. Ugh.
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"sometimes I FORGET why I don't read the AICN talkbacks..." Okay, NOW I'm out.
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... say more about themselves and their inadequacies than about the movies they are hating
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Suck a dick. Bitching about people bitching is not only MORE ridiculous than just plain old bitching, but also hypocritical. Good riddance, puss.
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Toodles, bitch.
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to the best of my knowledge, Thor has yet to be fucking cast, so nobody's even bitching in the first place.
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Oooookay, NOW I'M BITCHING.
Kenneth Branagh, if I didn't respect you so much, I would pray for this movie to tank harder than Wolverine week 2.
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or classic?
I prefer ultimate cult leader, possibly crazy Thor for film. That cane carrying mortal Clark Kent shit is pretty lame beyond the panels. -
NWA
norwegians with attitude -
by Mignola would rule.
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hahahahahahahahha
wait,,,,, that could be bad ass. -
Although I still think the hottest Loki ever would be Christopher Eccleston as Mitothin (The German version) in "The Seeker: The Dark is Rising". Yum.
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May 19, 2009 5:07:42 PM CDT
Thought Baltar would have been perfect - Blessed for Odin
by picardsucks
Fuck any fucker who disagrees with Blessed as Odin - Fuck off!!!
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He Do, never heard of him as far as I know, but he looks the part.
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As Continentalop wrote, it's essentially the same story as Matrix -- Average guy finds out he has godlike abilities. The trick lies in slowly unfolding the petals of Donald Blake's life. Making us give a shit about him and enjoying his eventual return to former glory as he relearns his past.This should not be a Thor movie. This should be a Donald Blake movie.And I really hope they go with the Kirby inspired, trippy LSD version of Asgard where all the gods are wearing theme colored hybrids of hockey gear and samurai armor. Everyone in enormous shouldermuhpads!
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to play the guy that played Bashir.
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Great voice and presence on the screen but I dont want a big fat jolly Odin. I want a Balrog like demigod vibe in absurd Kirby armor.
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..for the second or third movie.
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That faux edgy crap belongs nowhere near a good 616 adaptation. I'll take Sam Jackson Nick Fury, but that's as far as I go with Ultimate anything. Good old Thunder God Thor is the way to go and thank God that is what they are doing.
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NO MORE MR. NICE MERLIN!!!
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I don't know if anybody remembers, but in the 80's Marvel had a limited run title based on the Vietnam War called The Nam. And, during a crossover series, they actually had Thor in Vietnam. No joke. Sufficed to say, it was a bad idea
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For the fucking win. Kudos, 35MinutesAgo. I saw Star Trek last night, and I'm totally cool with Papa Kirk playing Thor. That dude definitely made the most of his brief role, and sucked me into the movie. As a TOS trekkie, I can say I dug the hell out of that movie. Except for the snow monsters. That should've been cut out.
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To have Thor in the "realistic" word of Iron Man (man with battery in chest builds a one man army device from spare parts) and Hulk (well, you know)? Bullshit! What scares me is that Favreau has had the same thoughts and he's probably the one who will direct the Avengers. It will probably end up as "Iron Man and Superpals". Avengers is all about totally different abilities coming together to save the world from a greater threat. Done right it will be amazing!
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...could be fucking EPIC! Only time will tell. But I hope he goes full-on Kirby on it.
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that was "Son of the Mask."
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The first movie should be all 616, then in Avengers Thor would be treated a bit more like the Ultimate Thor, people wont really believe that he's the real Odinson. He could even have a more modern suit/armor, a mix of 616 and Ultimate, Tony Stark could help him out with that.
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Did you say in that Seagal thread that Seagal was born to play the Punisher? Dude, come on. Not even at the height of his fame, on his best day, could Steven Seagal walk in Francis Castiglione's shoes. He wouldn't have cut his ponytail off back then anyway. Also, someone's stolen your TB handle. Just FYI.
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Really? That is how we refer to original continuity now? In a universe with such holes in all of it's continuity.
thats lame.
It is the gayest thing since NWOBHM.
I have had people spell that out rather than say it.
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Really? That is how we refer to original continuity now? In a universe with such holes in all of it's continuity.
thats lame.
It is the gayest thing since NWOBHM.
I have had people spell that out rather than say it.
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Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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New Wave of British Metal. We all learned something today!
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back on topic. "NWOBHM was musically characterised by .... with lyrical themes often drawing inspiration from mythology, fantasy fiction, and the occult." Led Zeppelin was earlier than NWOBHM, but the Immigrant Song would fit nicely on the Thor soundtrack and even nicer in Avengers, along with Black Sabbaths Iron Man.
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or is he still stuck in Wisconsin?
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This talkback has pretty much stayed on topic and has had varying, interesting views and opinions. I'm not sure whether my faith in the internet has been renewed, or if I should be scared as all hell that this has happened. Anyway, Thor could be a great movie. It might not have the fanbase of Batman or Iron Man, but fuck it, a good movie is a good movie regardless of its origins.
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You know this to be true.
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just might work on the big screen, but only as set up for comedic lines from Iron Man in an Avengers film. It's not that I don't believe you can't do a Thor movie, it's just I haven't heard as just how everyone around Thor (aside from Odin) will be interesting.
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Hey, I think back in the day Seagal would have been a pretty good Punisher. Not the perfect Punisher (if Frank Shamrock could act, he would be a perfect Punisher), but it is a part that he really could have fit nicely. You need someone you believe is a bad-ass, and Seagal in the early 90s was looked at as a legitimate bad-ass. The pony tail, I admit, is a problem.
And the other guy hasn't stolen my handle, just happens to have a similar name. I can't get upset at a guy for being a fellow Dashiell Hammett fan. -
In fact I am willing to go one step further and have a Thor movie not only be like the Matrix, but also The Last Temptation of Christ. I would dare the filmmakers to try and make his choice between Norse God or crippled human doctor a tough choice - hence I would actually keep Nurse Jane. She would be like Mary Magdalene in that movie, and have Loki be like Satan and act as a tempter.
It is probably a good thing I am not in charge of Marvel Studios. I mean, it is not like Last Temptation of Christ was a blockbuster (“Hey Avi, let’s base Thor on a pretentious art house movie from the 80’s that didn’t make a dime and had people throwing Molotov cocktails inside the theatre in protest).
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LTOC? Really? Not only pretentious, but boring as all fuck. I remember seeing it only because it was being picketed by some right wing religious groups. They drove up the box office - as little as it was. Nay, I say thee NAY! Keep Thor firmly planted in an alternate Gods reality. Or make him a meta human - that was once worshiped because of his abilities, but was never truly a 'God'. That is my best guess for handling such a ticklish issue. Sort of the way Superman would be worshipped today if he truly existed, because you know some nutcases would call him their messiah - and no I am not talking about our resident nutcase Media Messaiah either.
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Hey, I'm not saying imitate the pacing and the style of the film, just the basic concept. Maybe it is just me, but I think it would be interesting to see Thor as kind of a Neo/Jesus figure. I mean imagine if you were a crippled doctor and then one day you find out you actually are the Norse God of Thunder. My first thought would be "OK, I'm fucking nuts." It is so fucking mind-bending that I think it could have potential.
And to me the idea of being an actual god is just another step in the super-hero mythos. Basically super-heroes are gods - beings with powers way beyond us normal movies - well have one were the hero truly is beyond humanity. -
Trying to place where you got your handle. Is it from The Black Company novels?
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You are the first person to recognize that. I love those books. Glen Cook is a fucking genius - most of the time. He has done some lousy stuff too. But the Black Company books rock all!
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Since I was a teenager. But I thought they were damn good.
The Books of the North are like the LOTR if the hobbits and the heroes of that series were replaced by the fantasy version of the guys from the Dogs of War. -
Make the Asgardians a race of meta-humans who encouraged being worshiped by primitive peoples, but who were in no way 'Gods'. Assholes, yes. Gods, no. I think Timothy Zahn wrote a book that explored such a world of false 'Gods'. So, lets say Thor rebels, and is kicked out of the 'pantheon' Hell, maybe the asgardians are symbionts, and need human beings - stargate anyone? The point is, it can be done without too much controversy.
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Space Opera, but entertaining as hell.
The Black Company will be revisited by me very soon.
I am out of here for the night.
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As the poster before me said, there's a plethora of Marvel characters that would make a better movie then Thor. Translating this into the Avengers is going to be greatest challenge ever bestowed upon a movie writer.
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Also, Zelazny's Lord of Light.
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I stand corrected, it was Zelazny, not Zahn. Those damn writers with Z's in their names! You gets a No Prize!
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if Loki is gonna wear his huge horn crown . that would be bad ass.
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