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TERMINATOR SALVATION's Common Talks Sense To Mr. Beaks!

Published at: May 18, 2009, 5:58 p.m. CST by mrbeaks

Ever since he dropped CAN I BORROW A DOLLAR? in 1992 at the precocious age of twenty, Common (formerly Common Sense) has been one of the most dependably innovative voices in hip-hop. With the Chicago native's first LP, he affected a sing-songy delivery and incorporated well-chosen samples from funk/soul classics that would later turn up on bigger hits (most notably The Isley Brothers' "Between the Sheets", which powered "Breaker 1/9" a good two years before it turned up on B.I.G.'s "Big Poppa"); that all changed with his 1994 LP, RESURRECTION, on which he hit back at the thriving gangsta rap genre that was drowning out the medium's more thoughtful artists and, perhaps, threatening to destroy the art form altogether. His principled stand resulted in a nasty back-and-forth with Ice Cube's Westside Connection; it may have also played a part in guiding listeners to the more socially conscious sounds of artists like Lauryn Hill (who appeared on Common's third album, ONE DAY IT'LL ALL MAKE SENSE), The Roots and Black Star. While Common continued to evolve as an emcee, he quietly started trying his hand at acting on sitcoms like ONE ON ONE and GIRLFRIENDS. What seemed at first like a dalliance turned into a second career when he took a pivotal role in Joe Carnahan's ensemble shoot-em-up SMOKIN' ACES. This led to memorable tough-guy turns in AMERICAN GANGSTER, STREET KINGS and WANTED - which seemed completely at odds with Common's pacifistic off-screen persona, but that's why they call it acting. Common definitely gets a bump in screen time as John Connor's loyal right-hand man Barnes in TERMINATOR SALVATION. It's not a flashy role, but Common is damn effective as a survivor who'd rather shoot first and skip the questions altogether. It's a good, glowering warm-up for THE A-TEAM, in which Common may play the van-driving, afraid-of-flying badass B.A. Baracus. This will reunite Common with Carnahan (who's probably gotten the most out of him as an actor thus far), and, provided he doesn't sully the immaculate name of Mr. T, give him his first shot at stardom. Unfortunately, the B.A. news hadn't broken when I talked with Common a couple of weeks ago. But we did have a rather interesting conversation about his acting aspirations and how they complement his recording career (which, at this point, he has no intention of abandoning). Hope you enjoy...

Mr. Beaks: Were you a big fan of THE TERMINATOR when you were younger?

Common: You know, I liked THE TERMINATOR. I wasn't like a crazy fanatic over it; I wasn't wearing the "I'll be back" t-shirts and stuff like that. I definitely thought the movies were good, but I honestly appreciated them more when I went back and watched them again recently.

Beaks: I think the first one has worn especially well over the years. The first two are definitely rewarding.

Common: They are rewarding. And that's the thing: when you make art, you want it to be something that can last throughout time, that can sustain and be able to reach other generations. It's a great thing. I know at some point in life, my daughter will see THE TERMINATOR 1 and 2.

Beaks: Speaking of being younger, what were your career aspirations way back then? When you first found success as an emcee, were you thinking about acting at all?

Common: As a kid, I wanted to be a basketball player. (Laughs) I loved sports at that time. But then at some point it became about being a star - whether inspired by Michael Jackson or Eddie Murphy or whomever it was. I looked up to people who were at that level of celebrity. It was about being something that could shine on the world in a way. And then I realized, too, as I matured and evolved, that a star shining on the world is greater than any type of entertainment or profession. You can definitely inspire people, and make people smile and laugh, and heal people through art; it's a very powerful tool. But shining on the word is like going out and doing great things and helping individuals and spreading the word of God. (Laughs) I didn't mean to get too deep on you with TERMINATOR.

Beaks: No, that's cool. Tying that into TERMINATOR: SALVATION, there's something to be said for a movie that's there to help people take their minds off their troubles for a couple of hours.

Common: Man, I recognize that aspect even more. Just having fun and taking your mind off of the economy or marital problems or whatever health issues you might have - entertainment can be healing in those ways.

Beaks: Let's talk about Barnes. This guy's basically the pit bull of John Connor's outfit.

Common: There wasn't much written about Barnes in the script, but McG's perspective was like, "Common, you are John Connor's right-hand guy. You are his warrior, but there's a spiritual factor to it, too. Picture being in the Che Guevara mindset; you're fighting to help humanity, and you're willing to sacrifice anything to help humanity." It gave me a lot to start with. It was fun to be that guy. And it was important to know that being second-in-command isn't bad. Part of being a good team is knowing your position - knowing your strengths and knowing your weaknesses. For me to be second-in-command was cool for me.

Beaks: It's like being a role player on a basketball team.

Common: Exactly.

Beaks: You're the Craig Hodges, or, I'm sorry--

Common: Scottie!

Beaks: (Laughing) Sorry! You're definitely the Scottie Pippen in this situation.

Common: (Laughs) Yeah, I"m the Scottie Pippen there. But I'm shooting to be the Michael Jordan.

Beaks: Understood. (Laughs) Now, these characters rely on each other to survive. What kind of camaraderie did you build up with your fellow cast members?

Common: I think everybody had a great chemistry. People were being themselves, and I think that was important. We were attracted to one another. Like Sam [Worthington] is this Australian cat with a smart mouth, but very cool. I loved him. When we'd go to the bar together to chill out... I drink sangria, and he'd laugh. He'd be drinking beers and asking "Why are you drinking those soft sangrias?" He was that type of guy. And Christian Bale... we'd talk about different things, like being focused and doing great work. I learned from him. Christian Bale was on my list of actors that I wanted to work with, so just being around him, I was trying to absorb. And Anton Yelchin was just a funny dude; a young, smart guy who's very talented. Moon was this rebel girl, and Bryce was this nice, sweet, caring woman. Everybody brought their own personality, and that allowed the chemistry to be there. And different experiences helped us to get tighter, like when we went to Comic Con. It's funny. When you work on a movie, sometimes you don't get to work with each actor until later on. You don't always develop that relationship [right away]; overall, you don't get to see people until you're on set working with them. So once we did Comic Con, that created even more of a bond.

Beaks: Comic Con is nice, too, because you guys get to really hear the appreciation from the fans.

Common: It's a lot of fun. You get to acknowledge and give respect to the people who appreciate the work that you do, and the films and the genre and the whole... incubation of what you're doing, where it's coming from. They appreciate the source, whether it's science-fiction or comic books turned into films. And you learn from them, too. It's a cool experience at Comic Con.

Beaks: How do you feel the fans who've been with you since [CAN I BORROW A DOLLAR?] are responding to your move into acting?

Common: I think they're really supportive in that they know it's something I'm true to and love. I can tell when I come around by the way they reference the films that I've done. I think it all boils down to doing quality work, working with integrity and really being open to growing. I'll support anything that's good. I don't care if it's a rock artist or a painting: if it looks good to me and I feel it, I'm going to support it. I think my fans are really digging the fact that I'm being a part of quality material and bringing something truthful to the screen.

Beaks: It's nice that they've stuck with you through periods where you were doing stuff that was a little more experimental. One of my favorite things that you put out this decade was ELECTRIC CIRCUS. I really loved the sound of that LP, but it threw people a little. They didn't quite know what to make of it. But the same could be said of PAUL'S BOUTIQUE or DE LA SOUL IS DEAD.

Common: Oh, man, that's great company to be in. DE LA SOUL IS DEAD, PAUL'S BOUTIQUE... c'mon, man, those are classics! I mean, the fact that you could associate that with ELECTRIC CIRCUS... and you're right: sometimes your audience wants to say "Hey, you need to stay this way or that way." For me, it's like, "I need to grow. I need to do what's honest and coming from my heart." That's what [ELECTRIC CIRCUS] was.

Beaks: And that helps you recharge. You need to do that to get to the next LP.

Common: That's so true. Because it becomes redundant if you continue to do the same things. It's so fruitful and exciting when you get to try different things. You've got to follow your heart as a person and as an artist. You can't be scared of what the consequences are. Just follow your heart.

Beaks: You're often changing producers. Lately, you've worked a good deal with The Neptunes and Kanye. It sounds like your next one is going to be with Kanye?

Common: The next album, I'm looking at working with Kanye - well, I will work with Kanye - and No I.D., who produced some of my earlier work, like RESURRECTION, CAN I BORROW A DOLLAR? and ONE DAY IT'LL ALL MAKE SENSE. I'll work with those two, and I'd still like to do some work with Pharrell and The Neptunes also.

Beaks: Thinking back to CAN I BORROW A DOLLAR?, I don't know if that gets the credit it deserves for being as influential as it was. For one, you got to the "Between the Sheets" sample before Biggie did. And I think the sing-songy delivery on that, you were at least a year ahead of The Pharcyde on that.

Common: I will say that I definitely feel there was some innovation in there. I can't cite specifically who was influenced, but I know there was innovation in it, and that it was a unique sound. I'm proud of that. One thing I will say is that the work that you've done before... you can appreciate it, but you better keep moving. (Laughs) People don't remember sometimes. But the fact that you're acknowledging it is great; I'm humbled, and I love the fact that you can say there were some new sounds in there.

Beaks: What do you have coming up next in film? I think you're shooting, or maybe have completed, DATE NIGHT?

Common: Yeah, DATE NIGHT. Collins is my character, and I'm basically on the hunt for Steve Carell and Tina Fey. They did something we didn't like, so I'm one of the bad guys, really.

Beaks: hat are you looking to do beyond that?

Common: Beyond that, I'm looking to do diverse genres of films with really impactful roles. Tackling everything from drama to comedy to action to romance... I just want to do it all, man! As far as genres of film, and showing range as an actor, and really becoming a leading man. I want to go out, take that platform, and do good in the world.



TERMINATOR SALVATION opens hits theaters May 21, 2009. Faithfully submitted, Mr. Beaks

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  • May 18, 2009, 2:28 p.m. CST

    hey common make another like water for choclate!!

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    or ressurection!! or be!! no more of universal mind control!

  • May 18, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Hey common loved you in street kings

    by MANNZILLA

    and punch 50 cent for me

  • May 18, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    work with lupe fiasco!!

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

  • May 18, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST

    "It's like being a role player on a basketball team"

    by Orionsangels

    He's black, let me talk about something he'll relate to, basketball. You racist prick Beak!

  • May 18, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, Please...

    by mrbeaks

    He mentioned his love for basketball earlier in the conversation. Since we're both hoops fans, I couldn't help but throw that in there. If anything, you should be pillorying me for trying to be "down".

  • May 18, 2009, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation getting ripped over at Rotten Tomatoes

    by Slippy

    Transformers will be fucking these robots in the ass with no lube and their giant moose cocks in about a month anyway.

  • May 18, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    It Shouldn't Be

    by mrbeaks

    My review will be up soon. I didn't love SALVATION, but if your expectations are in check, I can't imagine you'll walk out disappointed.<br><br>Also, the only review I've read was at Variety, and it was very positive.

  • May 18, 2009, 2:43 p.m. CST

    who wouldn't be on the hunt for Tina Fey?

    by Gabba-UK

    Dumb question I know.

  • May 18, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Beaks, you should have called him Bill Cartwright

    by Slippy

    Bill Wennington, or Luc Longley. That would have made him end the interview right then and there.

  • May 18, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Mr. Slippy, you're a tool.

    by BillyMayesHere

    "Transformers will be fucking these robots in the ass with no lube?" Are you 12 years old with that line - You Dope.

  • May 18, 2009, 2:57 p.m. CST

    quite frankly

    by sokitome

    both Terminator 4 and Transformers 2 look like crap.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    beaks

    by Six Demon Bag

    what do you mean expectatations in check---as in very very very low? if the film is anything less than the first two, why bother? when are these reviews coming?

  • May 18, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    "Expectations in check"......Hmmmmm....

    by LabattsBleu

    that hardly sounds like a ringing endorsement - its a bit like saying "the perfect popcorn movie"...I'm sorry, but I think everyone has their expectations set quite low for this to begin with, so if we are expected to drop even below that line, it is going to be forgettable. The Terminator franchise deserves better than that...

  • May 18, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    NICE INTERVIEW BEAKS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Have you heard the Good News about Christian Bale?

  • May 18, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    TS:FIRSTREVIEW does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    FIRST PROFESSIONAL TERMINATOR SALVATION REVIEW UP AT VARIETY - V.POSITIVE...<p> Darker, grimmer and more stylistically single-minded than its two relatively giddy predecessors, "Terminator Salvation" boasts the kind of singular vision that distinguished the James Cameron original, the full-throttle kinetics of "Speed" and an old-fashioned regard for human (and humanoid) heroics. Only pic's relentlessly doomsday tone -- accessorized by helmer McG's grimy, gun-metal palette -- might keep auds from flocking like lemmings to the apocalypse. The fourth in the celebrated sci-fi series, "Salvation" opens and closes with humanity at war with the machines. In other words, this thing isn't going to end soon. Nor should it, if it keeps on like this.<p> McG, whose segue from music vids to movies resulted in two "Charlie's Angels" extravaganzas and the woeful "We Are Marshall," exhibits an unexpected flair for the dreadful, abrupt and awesome. What we get here -- which was perhaps missing on the relatively sunny mental landscapes of "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" and "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" -- is a sense of real horror: When humans are snatched up like Cheez-Doodles by skyscraper-sized Go-bots, there's no slo-mo relief or stalling. Stuff happens as it might were the world actually overtaken by demonic appliances.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:24 p.m. CST

    "Expectations In Check"

    by mrbeaks

    Means "directed by McG and not James Cameron". Bottom line: it works. It's much better than the third film.<br><br>And I have heard the Good, Good News, BSB.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    It amuses me that Variety refers to TS as being more hardcore than T2. Laserpants with his 'I WUV YOU ROBODADDY' stuff is gonna dine out on that one...<p>

  • May 18, 2009, 3:27 p.m. CST

    What is the good news?

    by conniebrean1

    I must know.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Beaks does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Beaks, why cant you post your review? Still within embargo?

  • May 18, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    BEAKS

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's sweet music to my ears. Praise Bale.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Beaks - well, "better than the third film..."

    by LabattsBleu

    Most fans (with the exception of Laserpants and DannyGlover) try to forget it for the most part, so that still falls in the realm of a back-handed compliment imo...so being 'better than the third film' really doesn't hold much water. With the early reviews (albeit only 5) its trending negative, which is not a good sign...on a side note, what good news with Bale? When will you share with us?

  • May 18, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Che Guevara

    by JohnnyLaBamba

    "You're trying to help humanity." Why do so many people think of this murdering sack of shit as a hero?

  • May 18, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    I BOUGHT A NERF N-STRIKE RECON CS-6

    by BringingSexyBack

    and going to paint it black so it looks just like Bale's gun. <P> http://tinyurl.com/58uexu <P> Between that and my phaser, I'm gonna tear this city's ass up.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Rappers in Terminator = UNPROFESSIONAL

    by TurdontheRun

    Still, since rappers stand on the shoulders of giants by pilfering great soul and funk records from the past, I guess it's poetic that this guy is starring in Terminator Castration, since McG also stands on the shoulders of giants, ie. Cameron, and plagiarises former glories all the way laughing his untalented ass to the bank!<p>As for that Variety review, Laserpants will indeed have a field day with it, however I live in the land of reality and not media hype; not a chance in hell is this PG-13 teen rot as hardcore as T2 (which is a very bleak movie). And even less than a chance in hell is it comparable to T1. I'll believe that when I see it.<p>Termi Castration, ie. Eunuch Terminator, ie. Terminator with no balls.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai

    by mrbeaks

    WB tends to request that we hold reviews until day of release. Until I hear otherwise, I'll honor that (even though I've basically "broken" the embargo by sharing my opinion here).

  • May 18, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    THE GOOD NEWS IS ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    Salvation is not a Terminator movie. <P> Salvation is accepting Christian Bale as your Lord and Savior, and by bringing Him unto your life, you will have everlasting Professionalism. <P> You do not need to live as an amateur, strolling aimlessly in the world all dah dah dah. Accept Bale as the messiah, the one true master of the universe, and He shall save you. <P> What news can be better than that? <P> Praise Bale. Praise Him on high. Balellujah! <P> Salaam Baleikum. <p> http://www.aintitbalenews.com/believe.html

  • May 18, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    what's with the jaws on these robots?

    by Bouncy X

    it seems every model has a differen sized jawline. i know winston wasnt involved but how hard would it have been to use his designs? now maybe there's a reason or plot point or something because that one Terminator in the ads that attacks someone looks normal but yeah.

  • May 18, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    6 demon bag

    by MANNZILLA

    Awesome name dude, I hope it worked on Lo Pan!

  • May 18, 2009, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Listen up, Common

    by Darkartist

    I don't know if you'll read this talkback or not, but if you do, I hope you read this. I didn't come on here to shit on you or anything. I'm a huge fan and I'm worried about you. ONE DAY IT'LL ALL MAKE SENSE & LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE

  • May 18, 2009, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Edelstein Hated It, But He Hated TDK Too

    by LaserPants

    Variety, on the other hand, thought T:S was good, not great, but good. When all the votes are tallied, it will probably either fall just shy of fresh or just shy of rotten. Doesn't matter though. It looks great. I'm not expecting it to be anything more than a cool action movie and worthwhile follow up to T1 -- since T2 was a HOWLINGLY awful piece of shit for affluent suburban children with father issues and other emotional problems that more or less RUINED everything awesome the first one set up, and T3 was dumb but entertaining.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Beaks?

    by MANNZILLA

    I take it your not allowed to give us a review just yet. Can you say how far the PG-13 rating goes. Would an r rating have made a difference?

  • May 18, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I CAN'T WAIT For The RAGE SPEW From The OBESE VIRGINS

    by LaserPants

    Who will be bending over backwards (or, you know, as far as 300 pounds of extra girth will allow) to pretend they "hated" it whilst secretly LOVING it more than any rational human being possibly could. CAN'T WAIT for the AICN COMEDY FREIGHT TRAIN!!!

  • May 18, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale's cod piece

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Wolverine sucked <P> Star Trek : the search for more money sucked<P> T 4 will suck<P> Shitformers 2 and G.I Hoe will continue to rape my childhood<P> <P> Up, Public Enemy, Moon, District Nine, and Avatar are our only hope.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Letter to Common

    by Darkartist

    One Day It'll All Make Sense & Like Water For Chocolate are classic hip hop albums. You and Mos Def and Talib Kweli changed my life. You made me question all the stupid shit I'd see on the streets and taught me to rise above it through love and a higher consciousness. You were lyrically brilliant. You had soul. So where did it go? Universal Mind Control could've been made by Britney Spears & Timberland. It was lazy, from the production right down to the lyrics. You can (and HAVE) done better. I understand you want to branch out and try your hand at other things. Nothing wrong with that. I would just suggest you either put equal effort into your film and music projects or quit one and completely concentrate on the other. As of now you're a boring actor and a mediocre rapper when you were once one of the greatest hip hop artists ever. Think about it, bruh. Think about it.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I cant wait for Love Spewing from the Lady Boys

    by MANNZILLA

    Who will be bending over backwards (or, you know, as far as basement dwellers with small penises will allow) to say how much they loved it whilst proclaiming how shitty T1 and T2 were in the process.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    What A Thrillingly Original Post MANZILLA

    by LaserPants

    Do you scream "MANZILLA!" when Cameron is ramming his cock down your throat? I bet you do! It probably sounds like, "WHY DO WOO CWY GGGGRGGGGG!"

  • May 18, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Not worried about this film at all

    by BLEST

    Reviews like Variety and Total Film have been great and other reviews are fair/good and all agree that it's better than T3.<p>If only one dork who couldn't bring himself to like TDK is giving this a total negative review then I'm not worried.<p>Hoping for the best, and to see what more reviews will say. But for now I'm sticking with the Total Film and Variety reviews, as they seem closer to my movie tastes.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    By The Way TRANZILLA

    by LaserPants

    I loved T1. Its T2 that sucks dead donkey balls. But I guess thats why you loved it, eh? To each his own! Now DOWN ON THINE KNEES! James "Diminishing Returns" Cameron has some poop to shit down your throat. Eat it up!

  • May 18, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by MANNZILLA

    I like your style. I will grant you that Cameron is a giant prick even if I do like his movies...

  • May 18, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    And also T2 does teeter on the verge

    by MANNZILLA

    of becoming too soft throughout the film, especially with the whole Arnold cant kill thing, but I understand why cameron did it. It's not perfect but it is a suberbly made film in my opinion.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Also, the 2 negative reviews from "credible sources"

    by BLEST

    New York Magazine and Hollywood Reporter both mention a lack of humor and Arnold...apparently meaning that they missed the whole point of T3....<p>Fools.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I won't bash on T1 or T2 (awesome films!) but..

    by BLEST

    watching them again this week to get ready for this film made me see some things that I didn't remember: In T1 you have all that crap with Sarah's trampy roommate and her dorky boyfriend who gets off on phone sex, and also the whole middle bit with Paul Winfield and his cop partner becomes more like a routine 80's detective film. (And Winfield makes a "yo mama" joke)<p>Now T2, I love. (and T1 as well)I'm not Laserpants or DGDB bashing them.<p>But the whole second half of the film where Arnold starts becoming "more human, and not such a dork all the time" is a little funny now. (it actually makes more sense in the cut scene of them resetting his learning switch)<p>I mean, he basically starts doing his regular 90's arnold routine with stupid puns<p>Holding up the minigun and smiling, handing the cop the tear gas gun and saying "here, hold this.", and then the laugable bit at the end when half his face is gone and he comes up from that wheel and says, "I need a vee-cation."<p>LOL!<P>I love it, and it's a classic, but there was some campy stuff in there too.<p>Hoping for good stuff from T4!

  • May 18, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Laser

    by Six Demon Bag

    stop running away from questions you cant answer! what the fuck do you mean by diminishing returns??? are you honesty telling me McGs filmography is better than Cameron's?

  • May 18, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST

    darkartist you're the man....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    Its about time somebody said it.... Dont get me wrong, I'm a fan of Common's MUSIC, Not his acting. Some rappers have crossed over into acting and have been successful, for instance Mos Def, Ice T, Ice Cube of course Will Smith and LL cool J. Has anyone noticed that he's not that good? I swear between American Gangster, WANTED and Smokin' Aces...he played the same character! And he's playing yet another assassin/criminal type in yet another film? I dont get it..... how could someone who was possibly one the most conscious MC's ever, play all these killers? He's plays each role Dead-pan, dry and just downright awful. I tell you what. COMMON and Ludacris need to stick ta rappin....50 CENT JUST NEEDS TO GO AWAY.

  • May 18, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Seriously?

    by Orionsangels

  • May 18, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Laser--you DO know that this is a film site?

    by Six Demon Bag

    Cameron is a rare filmmaker who has gone 7 for 7 in directing. Also, Cameron, contrary to what the haters think, is a pretty good writer. in ALL OF HIS FILMS, you at least care for the characters. other than a couple of SUGAR RAY songs, what does McG have to show for his writing skills?? Do you honestly want to tell me that you think the man who produced the FUCKING OC is a better candidate to helm the Terminator franchise than it s own creator. RESPECT motherfucker! fuck me for trying to have a decent conversation with a 10 year old mongoloid.

  • May 18, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Laser--one more thing

    by Six Demon Bag

    you say to love Aliens. whats the difference between the Ripley-Newt dynamic and the T800-John dynamic? Cameron is a rare talent to have directed two films that can claim to be 2 of the best sequels, and can arguably be better than the original. dont see FULL THROTTLE taking that claim

  • May 18, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    He kicked Joe Louis' Ass.....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    This is The Rocky Marciano talkback?

  • May 18, 2009, 5:12 p.m. CST

    You serious...

    by SunTzu77

    McG actually used Che as a point of reference? Gheezus. How about using Tuvia Bielski instead? What did McG tell Star? Imagine yourself being a mute Emmanuel Lewis... who constantly pulls a bunny out of your fro? Like that flare at the gas station? This film sounds worse every time I read something about it.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST

    JohnnyLaBamba

    by SunTzu77

    Amen.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    New York Magazine cracked me up...

    by SunTzu77

    "The Terminator began with a villain and a hero traveling back in time, and the fourth installment isn’t so much an advance of the story as a footnote: This is how we got to where we’ve already been—for 25 years. John Connor (Christian Bale), prophet of the resistance, must defeat the machines and send Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin) to 1984 to save his mom and deliver a payload of sperm that will grow up to be John Connor. Of course, every time trip has its perils—just ask the Vulcans in the new Star Trek. Maybe in this time loop the machines will kill John before he can kill them. Maybe Kyle will stand too close to an X-ray machine and become infertile. As Sarah Connor exclaims to her son (via cassette tape): “God, a person can go crazy thinking about this”—a line that must have given everyone on set a good laugh. Onscreen, alas, nothing lightens the mood. With McG’s migraine-inducing jerky-cam and monochromatic palette (livened only by splotches of rust), Terminator Salvation puts the numb in numskull."

  • May 18, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    You're right about Ludacris, Theycallmemrtibbs

    by Darkartist

    Ludacris is fucking clownshoes. How the hell did he manage to act WORSE than Mark Wahlberg in MAX PAYNE? I'd rather watch two pussycats fighting over a dead mouse than him. Same for Common but at least I respect the cool music he used to make. Ludacris has contributed nothing to society but "Move, bitch, get out da waaayah! " And there isn't a face on the planet I wouldn't slap to travel back in time and stop that song from being created, not my mom, daughter or the corpse of my sweet dearly departed grandma.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Some people here need a serious Baleban

    by performingmonkey

    I mean, you're literally ASKING him to come over to your place and trash your fucking lights, you utterly pathetic cunts. RESPECT Salvation and RESPECT Bale or the Baleban is coming your way, ike. Jesus fucking Christ, who the FUCK considered even for a second that this was going to be better than Cameron's movies?? Not me and not you. So fuck yourself up, little boys. Go let your daddy's eat you alive while you beg for more as your faeces slides down his throbbing cock. You WILL see this, like a little bitch. And you WILL see Transformers. You saw Trek and Botchmen, didn't you? Get a grip on reality, stop whining, stump up the cash (or credit card, they accept whatever) and don't forget to wipe the studio execs' assholes before you leave the theater. Enjoy Terminator Salvation.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Performingmonkey FTW.

    by BLEST

  • May 18, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I love me early Common albums but

    by drturing

    yeah, seriously, as an actor he looks like he's trying not to see the camera. I'm sorry, it's true. He's no Don Cheadle or Idris Elba or Chiewttel Ejifor or Derek Luke or Gaius Charles or even Bokeem Woodbine. On the other hand, he is cooler than Tyrese.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    When it comes to acting though Mos is the real deal

    by drturing

    For reals. He was acting before he was rapping, on stage in Brooklyn. He is dedicated and true.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    4 out of 5 bad reviews for TMcG on Rottentomatoes

    by drturing

    only good one was variety which says that the human component sucks. and every review says Bale is humorless and droll. Fuck you McG. Seriously go back to your fucking Hot Wheels movie, maybe while you're at it you can adapt My Little Pony starring Hannah Montana and Pink and one of the cast of the OC or some shit.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Performingmonkey FTW

    by BLEST

    He's right, and judging by the numbers that were HIGHER for Wolverine than for Trek (despite TONS of bad reviews, much Rothman bashing, Harry's childishness, etc...)quite a few from this lot went to see that B movie. (I'm being generous today)

  • May 18, 2009, 5:49 p.m. CST

    drturing

    by BLEST

    And as I pointed out, the negative ones all say that it needed more humor and Arnold.<p>Or basically that they wanted T3 again, and went into this film with the wrong outlook.<p>It's all in how you look at things.

  • May 18, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Fag

    by LaserPants

    So what does Cameron's ass taste like? I bet you'd say "roses."

  • May 18, 2009, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Laser--always avoiding the question

    by Six Demon Bag

    when you're ready to have a conversation about FILM you know where im at..

  • May 18, 2009, 5:59 p.m. CST

    by drturing

    " As far as summer movies go, “Terminator Salvation” is a good companion piece to “X-Men Origins: Wolverine,” and at least two notches below “Star Trek.” No Blest. Everyone says that the human, dramatic component doesn't work, and the most compelling human being in it is not even human. It looks great has lots of splosions, it just fails as a story and a work of drama in 4 of 5 reviews. Everything we say that McG is incapable of. If he couldn't get We Are Marshall right, how the fuck is he going to get this right?

  • May 18, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    drturing

    by BLEST

    I never agree with Emmanuel Levy though. (not saying he's wrong)<p>I usually tend to agree with Ebert or Massa on this site.<p>Maybe it's complete crap, who knows?<P>Variety and Total Film say it's awesome, a college mag review and a few here said it's decent/okay, and some others who want humor and Arnold back say it's crap.<p>I say that the jury is still out. (it will probably be a 7 or 8/10 for me, but we'll see.)

  • May 18, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    BALE BE PRAISED!

    by BringingSexyBack

  • May 18, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    DEATH TO THE INFIDEL REVIEWERS

    by BringingSexyBack

    2 thumbs up or 2 thumbs broken. If you never understand anything you better fucking understand that.

  • May 18, 2009, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Talk About Avoiding Questions, 6 Demon Fag

    by LaserPants

    Did James "Diminishing Returns" Cameron's ass taste like roses? Like Guns... n' Roses? And dude, seriously, what are you, like 12 years old? No, really, its okay... its okay to be young and stupid and naive and unworldly and idiotic and insane. I mean... you really, REALLY consider James Cameron, even at his best, to be one of the worlds great directors? Really? Have you... seen many films? I mean, you know, ones made BEFORE 1991?

  • May 18, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Laser

    by Six Demon Bag

    i never said he was one of the worlds greatest directors. i said he was one of the best modern directors, meaning of the last 30 years. what does this diminishing returns shit mean? normally it refers to profits, which in this case would be WAY off base, since each film he made surpassed the previous one, box office wise. your "musical" statement is contradictory--i dont know any 12 year olds who like GNR. do yourself a favor and find out when GNR was last relevant and do the math before attempting this lame ass retort. pathetic. it also helps to try to answer any questions. you cant just say outrageous shit and not have any shit to back it up. THAT is 12 year old shit.

  • May 18, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    BSB--whats up with DWTS tonight?

    by Six Demon Bag

    whos the big winner?

  • May 18, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    SIX DEMON

    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't have a clue! The field is wide open! I think sexy Gilles is gonna take the prize but he's gonna have ta STEP UP! This will be the greatest semi of ALL TIME!!

  • May 18, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Where are the early reviews?

    by knowthyself

    Mmm.

  • May 18, 2009, 6:44 p.m. CST

    knowthyself

    by Six Demon Bag

    good question. perhaps there was an embargo for a reason--the film fucking sucks.

  • May 18, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    laser

    by Six Demon Bag

    FUCK!!! what are you gonna do??? DANCE FILM and T4 come out this weekend. its a good thing you're off from school on Monday little boy.

  • May 18, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST

    nice little interview

    by T 1000 xp professional

    good job dude.... wassup with the Che Guevara love(people are pretty ignorant sadly).. Anyways, sounds like it's all shaping up nicely.

  • May 18, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Six Demon Bag

    got my money on Melissa. shes such a sweetheart. i know, i know, its not really fair that shes so limber and stretchy.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Oh dear

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Looks like THE BALE is having one of his episodes again.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Schooling The Six Demon Fag

    by LaserPants

    1) Diminishing returns refers to those of a critical nature. 2) Last i heard 12 year olds had access to the internets (and other modern information technology such as The Television, and Mom's CD Collection) thereby granting access to Guns N' Posers should they, say, be so obsessed with seeing Robodaddy flash his buttcheeks on dvd that they just needed to hear more Guns N' Posers. 3) Pwned.<br><br> Of course, you may be be older than 12. You may, in fact be 13! And since you clearly think as one, and speak as one, and seem to have the critical faculties, poor grammar, and hilariously pusillanimous, petulant, and hormonal rage of one, you either are a very young adolescent, or a developmentally disabled adult. Either way, you're sad sack douche bag who has miserable taste in film. I guess thats what happens when you think the world began in 1991.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Respiration by Black Star feat. Common

    by BadMrWonka

    best rap song EVER. hands down, there is no competition.<p> "I'm wrestlin with words and ideas<br> My ears is picky, seekin' what will transmit<br The scribes can apply to transcript<br> This ain't no time where the usual is suitable<br> Tonight alive, let's describe the inscrutable"<p> Common gets a free pass from me for life due to that.<p>plus, he was the only interesting and coherent thing in Smokin' Aces, fine in a small role in American Gangster, and he's just an intriguing character overall. looking forward to seeing him grow as an actor and see what else he can do.<p>thanks for the interview, Beaks.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Respiration by Black Star feat. Common

    by BadMrWonka

    best rap song EVER. hands down, there is no competition.<p> "I'm wrestlin with words and ideas<br> My ears is picky, seekin' what will transmit<br> The scribes can apply to transcript<br> This ain't no time where the usual is suitable<br> Tonight alive, let's describe the inscrutable"<p> Common gets a free pass from me for life due to that.<p>plus, he was the only interesting and coherent thing in Smokin' Aces, fine in a small role in American Gangster, and he's just an intriguing character overall. looking forward to seeing him grow as an actor and see what else he can do.<p>thanks for the interview, Beaks.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    7 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. 6 Rotten, 1 Fresh...not looking go

    by LabattsBleu

    to be fair, the bad reviews haven't just noted the lack of Arnold, though his charisma is undeniable. But there was a lot of criticism about the storyline, the acting, really, just a paint by numbers summer blockbuster....believe me, i am disappointed to some degree - i've been looking forward to the future war for a long time, but I also have some schadenfreude with respect to the stupid studio that would hire Mostow and Ferris for T3 and rehire Ferris and add McG for T:S...very short sighted. They should have gone the Batman route, tabbed some brilliant director and writer and then you'd have rebooted the series...instead we have another forgettable summer "joyride"...

  • May 18, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    summer "joyride"

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    I assume you're not referring to the "moto-terminators" there. Those things can't be a joy to ride...especially if your legs are in front of the mini-guns.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Laser-you DO have daddy issues..

    by Six Demon Bag

    MOM's CD collection. dad burnt out, i dont blame him. what TV are you watching that plays GNR videos? GNR were not posers either btw, your fave band outsold them is all--N'sync. enjoy the movie asshole. looks like you're the only one who will.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Can't we just attack McG and not each other

    by MANNZILLA

    McG Brett Ratner and Paul WS Anderson all need to be sent back in time by skynet, like before film was invented...

  • May 18, 2009, 7:41 p.m. CST

    drturing

    by SunTzu77

    you're on the ball.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Guns & Roses was the great band ever

    by MANNZILLA

    Dont even think about knocking them. Especially because they contributed to T2

  • May 18, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    laser-one more time

    by Six Demon Bag

    since when does liking a director who has YET to make a bad film, critically and comeriically, considered KISSING ASS or SUCKING HIS DICK??? throughout the T4 posts and TBs you keep talking about how this film will kick T2s ass??? how do you know? unless you were blowing McG while he was blowing the editor, you've seen the same footage as me. a few trailers, a couple of EPKs, a FUCKING PIZZA HUT AD!!! and a couple of production stills, which ADD UP TO NOTHING!! here are the facts--T2 will go down as one of the milestones in modern filmmaking. Cameron will be known for a class act filmmaker. end of line. i see that you are already backing away from your claims of T4's magnitude. lube up son, Thursday's your day!!!

  • May 18, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST

    OMG AP review is priceless....

    by SunTzu77

    "And Christian Bale steps into the role of John Connor, played previously by Edward Furlong and Nick Stahl, and he ... well, he does the same voice he uses when he dons the black suit for the "Batman" movies, a monotone, guttural growl regardless of the dialogue."..."but the writers also threw in a couple of classic "Terminator" lines, ostensibly to lighten the suffocating mood. Instead, they're real groaners."..."But there's not much here in the way of way of humanity, even with the strong feminine presence of actresses including Bryce Dallas Howard, Moon Bloodgood and Jane Alexander. It seems the machines have already won."

  • May 18, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    wow so Beaks had the opportunity

    by CherryValance

    but no motive. bummer.

  • May 18, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    those reviewers giving it rotten

    by CherryValance

    must be infidels. Don't they know that's Balesphemy?

  • May 18, 2009, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Glad to see all the negative reviews...

    by TurdontheRun

    Confirms what I suspected all along. McG and all the supporters of this piece of shit had it coming. Of course, I shouldn't be glad, because this is all just soiling the reputation of a once great series and bastardising Cameron's brilliant creation. A 2 hour pizza commercial. <p>T1 and 2 were/ are masterpieces, which is why we're still watching and discussing them 20 years on. T4 will be forgotten by the end of june as even bigger, shinier things attract the attention of the magpie-like cinema going hordes (and at least Mikey Bayhem's Transformers doesn't have any pedigree to destroy). <p>And for the record, GnR were far from the best band ever, but that song is pretty good and is in the film for, what? 30 seconds? Better than a Rhianna song, which is what you'll get in Termi Masturbation: Eye Candy For Teenyboppers. Sincerely, fuck you McG, you loathsome hack.

  • May 18, 2009, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Makes me wonder...

    by SunTzu77

    if this is the reason why so many clips were released...maybe McG and his producers got a bad feeling at the screening(s). Try and build some hype. Only time will tell.

  • May 18, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by Six Demon Bag

    agreed. McG had to beg BEG Bale to be in this film!!! what does that tell you? Cameron dont beg for nobody! im waiting for more reviews to put the final nail in this coffin. There are some idiots around here who really think tis film will be better than T1 and T2. laughable.

  • May 18, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    ANy of you read that Esquire article abuout McG

    by drturing

    where the producer is all praising him for how hard he lobbied pizza hut on the movie. tells me all i fuckin need to know.

  • May 18, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Common wasn't the first to sample "Between The Sheets"

    by tracetroop

    At the very least, A Tribe Called Quest dropped a remix to their classic "Bonita Applebum" in 1990--2 years or so before Common's "Can I Borrow A Dollar." While the remix was some radio play and was a popular single in the clubs.

  • May 18, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    McG is a phony

    by TurdontheRun

    I can see through him a mile off. I have no respect for him or Ratner or any of those dicks. They are 'career' filmmakers. That pizza hut promo showed it all. The guy is a car salesman - everything from his evasiveness over the rating to the fact that he lied about Cameron's 'blessing', illustrates this. <p>Say what you will about Cameron, but that guy would die to make one of his films exacly the way he wants it. I would respect that even if I didn't like the results of his labours. He is the real deal. I couldn't care less if he's a slave driving prick because he respects me, the viewer, enough to give me his best. That means more than all McG's fake platitudes and fan panderong niceties, as seen at comic con and elsewhere. 'Pizza hut and terminator fans, indeed.'<p> Bale should be ashamed of accepting the role; though McG's serpent's tongue is obviously well practised, and clearly works on the weak minded. That's how that guy got to the top, just like Ratner, Bay, and all those other schmoozers, not through a hard climb like JC, Nolan, Jackson, Fincher, Tarantino, etc., all standing on their own talents and merits. In other words, he is a stinking brown noser, and I can smell his festering shit!!!

  • May 18, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Anyone else find Common a little...uh...dull

    by cant_stop_yawning2

    They keep dumping him into these movies like Smokin' Aces and Wanted and either they aren't giving him anything to do or he is just a bore.

  • May 18, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    BALE: SALVATION

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Every Goddamn day is Christmas when Bale is in your heart.

  • May 18, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Che Guevara?!

    by Lord Elric

    Fighting for humanity? Oh good grief! Good interview though. Good to hear the new movie's better then T3, which I found entertaining. And what's wrong with talking hoops? Sheesh.

  • May 18, 2009, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I hear the Jews

    by maitlanr

    don't come off well in this flick...is that true?<P> I wish<P> feminism didn't make chicks think my dick be all small and shit.

  • May 18, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    hey common

    by maitlanr

    your last album was a fucking mess!

  • May 18, 2009, 9:53 p.m. CST

    hey common

    by maitlanr

    i think you should star in more old navy commercials!

  • May 18, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    everyone is right tho

    by maitlanr

    all i do is watch shitty movies...fucking all day long<p>because i'm a mediocre person!

  • May 18, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Say what you want of Bay

    by Six Demon Bag

    but he makes it his way as well. he doesnt bend for the studios and i hear is a slave driving prick on set. go figure?

  • May 18, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    i guess i "schooled" Laser.

    by Six Demon Bag

    dont you ever bring a fucking knife to a gunfight.

  • May 18, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Bay does have a style.

    by imagin78

    Unfortunately, his style is making feature length commercials.

  • May 18, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Turd--"hey there McG and Charlies Angels fans...uh, hello?"

    by Six Demon Bag

    yeah what wouldve happened if i was just a Pizza Hut fan, would i like the film, or vice versa. pandering at its worst. when you have to beg, not only your audience to watch the film, but also your lead ator, to star in it, there definitely is omething wrong with the script or the director.

  • May 18, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    night all...got a big day of kicking the shit outta of Laser tom

    by Six Demon Bag

  • May 18, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I'm done.

    by imagin78

    I was waffling on whether or not to see T4. However, I have now decided to not waste my money. I refuse to continue the careers of McG, Bay or Sommers. I'll just wait to see Up and Drag Me to Hell.

  • May 18, 2009, 10:44 p.m. CST

    A comedic tour de force

    by captain omega

    I dunno, the negative reviews seem to revolve around there being no Arnold in it, except maybe a lookalike, and that it's gloomy. Well, in Reese's flashbacks in T1, there was no Arnold (just Franco Columbo with a 50 cal that shot lasers inside of the resistance base), and it wasn't a laugh-a-minute deal. Seems like if T4 is gloomy, it would be right on track. If they manage to pull off a straight war movie with this one, I'll be happy. Been waiting a long time for a full-on treatment of the future war. Who knows, maybe it will suck.

  • May 18, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Fuck the critics

    by theplant

    This movie rocks, who cares if 4 idiots reviewed the movie and it's on RT and they say it's sucka because no humor and no Arnie ? Those are the T3 nostalgic morons.

  • May 19, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    McG is such a slimy car salesman

    by drturing

    "These ideas appealed to director McG. “I’m here because of the script these guys put forward. That’s the script that I read that sparked my idea. It was their take that got me excited,” he revealed. “That’s what I told [Terminator creator] Jim Cameron. He said, ‘Why’s this story worth telling?’ I said, ‘Because this explores the world after Judgment Day.’” yeah except you keep saying Jonah Nolah wrote it. And NOW you're taking responsibility for the Bale blowup.

  • May 19, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    gloomy & no arnie = bad reviews???

    by cloudrider`

    way to marginalize those critics. they seem to like TDK, and that film is gloomy through and through. maybe they dont like T4 because... it sucks? <p> thing is these early reviews are mostly from the lesser critics. and these lesser critics are prone to giving high marks early to mediocre movies. remember those early high ratings on RT for watchmen and wolverine? when the big guns start showing on RT is when the score gets really pushed down. 25% this early is a BAD BAD SIGN.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:07 a.m. CST

    yeah, where's the jonathan nolan's writer credit?

    by cloudrider`

    mcg kept mentioning that jonathan nolan has something to do with the script. but i checked around and he's not even credited. you know who does though? michael ferris. the writer for catwoman.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation Denver Screening Tonight

    by FilmFan311

    TERMINATOR SALVATION is a Shitty Movie on just about every level imaginable (and I walked into the free screening with low expectations). SPOILERS BEGIN Christian Bale fucking BLOWS as Bruce Wayne in this one. McG's decision to let Bale have free reign as Bruce Wayne again is laughable throughout this entire flick. He grumbles and gives the shit face throughout the entire one-note performance. MY GOD does the film look horrible as a whole. The special effects are some of the shittiest and laziest f/x I have seen in recent memory. THAT will speak for itself immediately when you see it. We could not believe how AWFUL this film looked from the jump. T:Salvation = The SciFi Channel Presents a Fanboy Presentation with No Budget or Vision. The flick ANACONDA looks more REAL than this film does. Common? Keep your day job. Enough said there. The FUTURE WAR that Captain Omega was waiting for (alongside myself)? Lackluster and practically non-existent. There is no grand scope to this film whatsoever. It's soundstage city AND Atrocious Editing. This bullshit is also TERMINATOR FOR DUMMIES. As John Connor sits listening to an audio tape from Mommy Linda Hamilton, he holds up a pic of her as if to say, "This is her for those of you who just crammed for this movie assignment." Like my rambling review here, the film is choppy as fuck. Here are more spoilers! Yes, Arnie's face (his digitized face looks extremely shitty) appears when Connor and The Scooby-Doo Team invade Skynet at the end. As soon as the fight begins, it immediately cuts away to other shit. WHAT THE FUCK was that, McG? Your Editor needs to put down the cocaine. TERMINATOR SALVATION gets credit for one thing: The worst scene of the year so far (I never did see Wolverine): John Connor, in the anti-climactic MAN VS. ROBOT fight at the end, gets FUCKING IMPALED THROUGH HIS CHEST (when the wacky robot shows one last burst of life). This should have ended him for ETERNITY. Instead? The Manbot comes to John and says, "Let's get out of here!" FUCK YOU McG! What bullshit! Other random tidbits: John Connor says, "I'll Be Back." Kyle Reese says, "Come with me if you want to live." YOU COULD BE MINE by Guns N' Roses returns. Fuck it. I'm done. Rambling over. Figured the film would suck but decided to see it for free on a boring Monday night. Avoid at all costs. It's even worse than you'd thought it would be.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    FILMFAN - THANKS FOR THE REVIEW

    by BringingSexyBack

    Sounds like a great movie. Can't wait to see it!!!

  • May 19, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    ARNOLD SCHLOMI

    by BringingSexyBack

    "Gedd dah mini-choppa!!! Doo eed!! Buy one gedd one free!!! Doo eed neeoowwww!!!!"

  • May 19, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    BALE IMPALED THROUGH CHEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    = Dying for our amateurism. Praise Him.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    FILMFAN, MUCH THANKS FOR THE REVIEW TOO

    by theplant

    SOUND LIKE IT'S GOING TO PLEASE ME, I'M SURE YOU ENJOYED WOLVERINE SO IT GIVES CREDENCE TO YOUR REVIEW COOL

  • May 19, 2009, 1:55 a.m. CST

    JUDGEMENT DAY IS GLOOMY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Wow. Shocker.

  • May 19, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    YOUR VOICE MIGHT BE HOARSE TOO

    by BringingSexyBack

    if you had to subsist on a diet of rats. Cut the future some slack, people.

  • May 19, 2009, 2:04 a.m. CST

    IF THIS MOVIE DOES SUCK, THE BLAME FALLS SQUARELY O

    by BringingSexyBack

    Shane Hurlbutt. Tweaker of light, the fallen archangel.

  • May 19, 2009, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Harry slated Terminator on twitter

    by Brody77

    Motherfuckers. Maybe now, if he's right, they'll just let the franchise die.

  • May 19, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    i heard...

    by SunTzu77

    *spoiler.... the good terminator uses a bread stick to stop the bleeding from Connor's chest wound... and the mute black kid happens to be a surgeon and whips out a scalpel and does the heart transplant with Mrs. Connor. In T5 John Connor will wrestle the Ayatollah.*

  • May 19, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    I saw this...

    by SunTzu77

    "TERMINATOR SALVATION review to hit Thursday night: last line: Fuck this movie." LOL!

  • May 19, 2009, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Harry is a plant (for Fox)

    by theplant

    haha

  • May 19, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Good news!

    by chuffsterUK

    Harry hated it-so i'm going to love it!

  • May 19, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Hang on...

    by chuffsterUK

    ...from Harrys Twitter...: in line for terminator salvation an hour and a half early about 9 hours ago from mobile web wow that was crap about 6 hours ago from mobile web I fucking hated that piece of shit about 6 hours ago from mobile web no sarcasm, complete and total loathing of the film about 5 hours ago from mobile web beaks my review will in detail tear the film dowm to the limp terminator **** disembodied and lifeless in the dirt about 5 hours ago from mobile web TERMINATOR SALVATION review to hit Thursday night: last line: Fuck this movie. about 2 hours ago from web The review is 2656 words and ends with "FUCK THIS MOVIE" about 2 hours ago from web Now that I finished writing that Terminator Salvation Review - I use Anti-Bacterial Cucumber Melon Hand foam before writing anything else! about 2 hours ago from web KristofferAaronOh gee, I just looked it up... the writing team that wrote Terminator Salvation also wrote CATWOMAN I totally understand now. about 1 hour ago from web At 0.00 hour which is "9 hours ago" he is 90mn early to the movie. Therefore, the movie started 6H30mn ago It should end thus around 4H30 ago However, at 6 hours ago, (ie after probably 30mn of film) he dials on his mobile "that was crap", as if the movie was already over, then adds "I fucking hated that piece of shit" Then "no sarcasm, complete and total loathing of the film" at 5H then "beaks my review will in detail tear the film dowm to the limp terminator **** disembodied and lifeless in the dirt" (the movie still is 30mn from being over). Something is seriously wrong here... Did Harry actually watch the fucking film???

  • May 19, 2009, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Take alot more than Hologram posters to sell this movie!

    by droids22

    It's getting 25% on Rotten Tomatoes, which pretty much confirms what we knew all along. It makes me really angry because I wanted a Terminator movie I could watch over and over and now I don't even want to see this, It's a fucking waste!

  • May 19, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST

    oh shit dude harry HATED this movie

    by drturing

    i hate being right. honestly I do.

  • May 19, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST

    But will we give it a "second chance"?

    by drturing

  • May 19, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Has Giant Robots.

    by Sal_Bando

    I'm there.

  • May 19, 2009, 5:21 a.m. CST

    its not looking good guys.

    by Six Demon Bag

    the guy wrote CATWOMAN??? he directed CHARLIES ANGELS??? Bale and Yelchin are the only hope for this film and the light is dwindling...fast oh brother.

  • May 19, 2009, 5:23 a.m. CST

    FUCK YOU BEAKS

    by one_guy_from_andromeda

    So now you're an expert on Hip Hop as well, not just a condescending pseudo cineaste but also a "head"? What's next, "Beaks' cool cuts"? Fuck you, you racist nitwit!

  • May 19, 2009, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Harry went to the Dr once...

    by chuffsterUK

    ....and told him he was concerned that his penis had turned orange. The Dr asked what he did for a living and Harry replied"Eat cheese Doritos and watch porn"...

  • May 19, 2009, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Harry went to the Dr once...

    by chuffsterUK

    ....and told him he was concerned that his penis had turned orange. The Dr asked what he did for a living and Harry replied"Eat cheese Doritos and watch porn"...

  • May 19, 2009, 6:54 a.m. CST

    HARRY'S TWEET READS JUST LIKE HIS LONGFORM REVIEWS

    by BringingSexyBack

    But less vulgar and no sexual references.

  • May 19, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    BEAKS IS RACIST?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Talk about reaching. Do you even know what the word 'racist' means?

  • May 19, 2009, 6:59 a.m. CST

    YOU CAN'T BLAME THE WRITERS ANYMORE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Star Trek was written by Orci and Kurtzman, and Abrams was able to make it a fantastic moovee. <P> Any fault here lies with McG and Hurlbutt. Don't go blaming Bale if you know what's good for you. Don't fucking go there.

  • May 19, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    25% on Rotten Tomatoes

    by Kobaal

    Oh dear. Still, it's only from 8 reviews so far, probably will get 200 more or so over the next week.<p> Still, it doesn't bode well. Perhaps one for DVD after all.<p> To think JJ Abrams could be the most successful action director this summer! (It won't be Bay, obviously)

  • May 19, 2009, 8:06 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by Six Demon Bag

    i was just about to post something to this effect. a shitty script is a shitty script. i wasnt crazy about transformers, i think it plays better at home. I just didnt like that the film felt all over the map. They knocked ST outta the park though. But Catwoman is another shitbag altogether. no blame on Bale...yet. Go MELISSA!!!

  • May 19, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    edit

    by Kobaal

    perhaps in future i'll read the tb before spouting redundant bullshit.<p> Still, Catwoman! How are they still working?

  • May 19, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    He can't make another "like water"

    by polyh3dron

    J Dilla is dead :(

  • May 19, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Bootleg's online

    by PhineasB

    Just sayin'.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:45 a.m. CST

    SIX DEMON

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's a toss-up! All three have a chance for the gold. It's up to the viewer vote, and I voted around 20 times last night. <P> And that was some Housewives reunion part deux! Holy catfight Batman! Our definitive faves, in order, are Alex, Bethany, Jill and Luann. Crazy Eyes Ramona and Self-Inflicted Meltdown Kelly can go straight to hell.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    OH, I VOTED LIKE 60% FOR GILLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    and threw 40% Shawn Johnson's way. Sorry, I think Melissa is super hot but she's a semi-pro dancer, I think she had an unfair advantage. Gilles and Shawn are just awesome in the way they progressed. I'll be happy for you if your girl wins, but I think if that happens, the Interwebs will call foul in a big way.

  • May 19, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Common with Trash your Fooking Lights

    by redfist

    Well, not really, but the brother can line up a beard like no other man I know.

  • May 19, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Should the critics' opinions even matter?

    by GaiustheBrave

    I abhor the newest, satanic incarnation of the Trek franchise but they seemed to like it. Shouldn't that be an impetus for wanting to see T:S? Really, who gives a flying fuck what they think, anyway? I really hope this is good since Trek and Wolverine were such huge disappointments.

  • May 19, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    critics opinion matter more

    by cloudrider`

    than geeks opinions. after years and years of reading critics reviews and aicn talkbacks, it's an easy choice to make.

  • May 19, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    My review

    by chuffsterUK

    gave it 8/10. My review has been submitted,but here it is anyway:) Who would've thought it?That 'McG' would actually deliver a worthy addition to the Terminator Mythology?? Following on from the disappointing T3, Salvation had much to make up for. There are some amazing action scenes and superb effects(both CGI and practical-including one'cheer out loud'30 second'cameo'), but McG also directs the quieter,human parts with some flair. The story is fine, if a little simplistic and the script, while not Oscar winning,is functional. Great performances from the majority of the cast, especially Worthington(who outshines a mean, moody Bale),who will soon be a mega star and a rousing soundtrack by Danny Elfman help make this not only a must see Summer blockbuster, but a superb sci-fi/action/horror film in it's own right. A word of warning, though, the movie is VERY dark.Those looking for the humour of T2 or T3 will be sorely disappointed.This is, after all, a post-apocalypse world we're seeing! Recommended.

  • May 19, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    BSB--true that.

    by Six Demon Bag

    Melissa is a pro and she did have an unfair advantage. shes so sweet though. in all, i'll be happy with whoever wins. NY--sad to say that Alex and Simon have the most "normal" relationship of them all, i was making fun of them at first. they seem like good people real sincere, which is lacking in all the others. Kelly--WTF? shes batshit. probably be back next year to add drama. you should watch NJ, i NEED to see why Teresa flips that table over and goes apeshit. love me some BRAVO!!!

  • May 19, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Re: To all the "Postive Reviews"

    by Six Demon Bag

    "not as bad as i thought it would be" doesnt equal positive.

  • May 19, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    catwoman writer

    by cloudrider`

    why wasnt this made into a big deal before in any geek forums? all we heard is that jon nolan was on board, and indeed he's hired to flesh out connor's character arch for bale(connor's role was originally smaller), but the fact that the main writers are the same writers who did catwoman(it actually took 2 writers to come up with that shit) were never brought up, by anyone in AICN. <p> where was the big fuss? dont tell me you geeks forgot to do your homeworks this time.

  • May 19, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    The Problems with Catwoman Weren't Script Problems

    by kevinwillis.net

    Not really. It wasn't nearly as bad a movie as people make out, anyway. But Halle Berry as Catwoman was a little questionable, and that horrible S&M leather teddy they had her in just spit all over the very idea of Catwoman. But I don't think the guys writing the script are responsible for putting Halle Berry in a bad halloween costume for the majority of the movie. Or the lame computer animation that made a lot of Catwoman's action sequences look like X-Box cut scenes.

  • May 19, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Which is Not To Defend Terminator: Salvation

    by kevinwillis.net

    The end sounds really terrible. The stuff I've seen looks all right, but "meh". And Harry hates it. And Harry likes everything. Even movies I found tedious and unbearable. Like Twilight. But things he doesn't like--like Steven Spielberg's AI--I often find I agree with him on. I hated AI. Not holding my breath for Salvation.

  • May 19, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    catwoman

    by cloudrider`

    is just bad from all points. the costume, the direction, hale berry, and the writing. never mind the skin hardening cosmetics nonsense(which supervillain doesnt have a super silly plot?). it's the character details that make me want strangle the writers - catwoman got revived by cats(again), have cat's agility, eats sushi, utters bad puns, etc. just horrendous stuff. <p> agree about harry though. if he can love some of the worst geek movies ever made, and now he hates T4 with a passion.. what does that say about the movie?

  • May 19, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST

    People will probably proclaim T4 the best one in series

    by MANNZILLA

    At first, just like they did with T3. I remember in the media and even on these boards, alot of people were saying it was the best in the series. But we forget that, A) people are idiots and B) time showed just as it will with T4 that hype and mass brainwashing cannot carry a movie forever. Remember Phantom Menace anyone?

  • May 19, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    B-but MANZILLA...

    by MCVamp

    Phantom Menace WAS the best in the series! That being the prequel series. Which had just come out. Therefore it was the only one in the series. And by default, the best. (Turns out it WAS better than Attack of the Clones, at least...)

  • May 19, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Variety Declares T:S DARKER THAN BOTH T2 and T3!

    by LaserPants

    Actually ALL of the reviews, even the ones that say it sucks (admittedly, the majority, but, whatever. These are the same people who liked the unbelievably awful Titanic), have all said that T:S is FAR BLEAKER AND GRIMMER IN TONE than the COMPARABLY CHEERFUL AND LIGHT T2 and T3!!! HAHAHAHA! SUCK IT CAMERON FAGS!!!<br><br> So, uh, what was that about Pg-13 again? PWNED!<br><br> God, I do so love being right. Although the burden of BEING RIGHT ALL THE TIME is sometimes tiresome when children (or developmentally delayed adults) like Six Demon Fag -- the taste of Cameron's shitcum still holding them in thrall -- keep trying, desperately, incoherently, hilariously, and pathetically try to avoid the cold hard truth smacking them in their obese virgin faces -- T2 was limp, lame, light, boring, and bland. It was a Children's Film inexplicably rated R. If it was released today it would most likely be rated PG-13, perhaps even PG. And, finally, though the efx were groundbreaking for the time, nothing about the flim (yes, flim) holds up AT ALL. It ruins the premise set up by the first film almost completely, features an ending ripped straight from OLD YELLER (the Emo teen with father issues part), and then still manages to torpedo the apocalyptic vision by ending on a cheerful, optimistic note (We won! The dark future doesn't happen! Weeee! Lets ask Uncle Cameron if we can eat a bowl of his poopies!). <br><br>Of course, most of the reviews of T:S (thus far) range from okay-to-negative, but, when the main complaint is that the new one is too dark and grim? Holee fucking shit, I FUCKING WIN. AGAIN!<br><br>CAN'T WAIT for the RAGE SPEW from the OBESE VIRGIN SECT this weekend. As they all have to admit to themselves that T:S, though flawed, is actually a pretty cool action movie more in line with the original premise than T2: A Children's Killer Robot Movie.

  • May 19, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    laser-you're the emo teen with daddy issues

    by Six Demon Bag

    is your name Kate Winslet? is that why you hate Cameron so much?

  • May 19, 2009, 12:52 p.m. CST

    chuffsterUK I hope you're right...

    by BLEST

    I hope Variety is right, Total Film is right, and Harry and some of the other reviewers are wrong.<p>But I'm going to watch this with very LOW expectations now. I'd been hoping for a hit and trying to stir up enthusiasm on these boards for the last few weeks (to the ire of some) but now,...well I just hope it's better than T3 and fun popcorn stuff like Transformers. It doesn't sound like it'll be much more.<p>Although, it's gotta make you wonder (and Laserpants and DGDB will love this) when one of the reviews actually says:<p>"The original “Terminator” was a love story about time travel. “T2” was a love story about a boy and his pet killer robot … and about time travel."

  • May 19, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    LAser--you stupid fucking cunt

    by Six Demon Bag

    of course its "darker" it takes place in the "post apocalyptic future, T1 and T2 were in the present day. do you know nothing except how to run you faggot ass mouth off? DARK doesnt equal GREAT, which is waht the first two films were. Biehn's and Arnold's monologues (from 1 and 2, respectively) about the future war will have more GRAVITAS and impact than T4. eat a dick. you win my cock in your mouth.

  • May 19, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    ludacris is a good rapper, guns n roses blew it with use your il

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    luadacris has a great fuckin flow and lyrics, but is new album sucked. he sounds bored with rap nowadays. dont judge him by move bitch...that song shouldve never been made by someone that talented...now guns n roses just lives off the fame of their first album. use you illusion 1 fucking sucked aside from november rain (it was stairway to heaven like with a great solo) and maybe a few others, use you illusion 2 was solid but nowhere fucking near their first album. then they turned into a shit fuckin cover band with the speghetti incident thanks to axl. fuck axl rose.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    by Six Demon Bag

    get your head outta yer ass! your ludicrous proclamations that T4 will best T2 ir wildly retarded, for lack of a better word. unless you were blowing McG while he was blowing the editor, you've seen the same footage as me. a few trailers, a couple of EPKs, a FUCKING PIZZA HUT AD!!! and a couple of production stills, which ADD UP TO NOTHING!! here are the facts--T2 will go down as one of the milestones in modern filmmaking. Cameron will be known for a class act filmmaker. T2 will not be re-rated. end of line. i see that you are already backing away from your claims of T4's magnitude. lube up son, Thursday's your day!!!

  • May 19, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    LAser

    by Six Demon Bag

    i hope you're not bitching and moaning about "the father aspect", if you can call it that. who gives a shit that they gave the cyborg a little humanity??? that was the whole fucking point you mongoloid!!! a cyborg that resembled the one that tried to kill his mother, comes back to protect him. He by all accounts should not trust the robot, but he does, and in time, so does Sarah. thats the whole fucking point. By showing the robot compassion and humanity, Sarah regains hers. If you have a problem with this--ive gota big surprise for you--it looks like they do the same with Marcus in T4. John will trust himby the end of the film and they will respect each other. you know nothing!

  • May 19, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    BLEST

    by Six Demon Bag

    why watch a film with LOW LOW LOW expectations? waste of money. so you can walk out thinking wow its not as bad as i thought it would be. that kind of mentatlity allows McG to thrive in mediocrity and LASerpants to beat off to sears catalogs.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Fag, You STILL Haven't Answered The Question

    by LaserPants

    How DOES Cameron's shitcum taste? Let me guess, you feel it tastes like... roses? Like... Guns n' Roses?<br><br> Aaaaand PWNED. Again.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Oh, But DO Go On, Six Demon Fag

    by LaserPants

    The angrier you get, the more you reply, you more you prove my opinion (both of you and of T2: WAAAAAAAAAH!) 100% CORRECT!<br><br> I do so love being right all the time. So please, continue, thrill me with your monkey squall. It entertains me.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Hmmm..New York Daily News - 4 Stars

    by BLEST

    http://tinyurl.com/p8r2uc<p>I think this movie is really going to divide people.<p>Right now RT has 2 great reviews and 8 bad, but the greats are from NY Daily News and Variety....hardly anything to sneeze at.<p>But followed just as quickly by a review from Arizon Star that it's it crap.<p>WTF? How can some people say it's awesome and others that it's crap?<p>Reports are too wide and varied to be sure at this point...

  • May 19, 2009, 1:12 p.m. CST

    T2: SIX DEMON FAG'S COUNSELING TRANSCRIPT

    by LaserPants

    "My daddy didn't wuv me... BUT DUH TERMINAHOR BE BEST DADDY EVUH! WAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! Why me daddy not wuv me wike wobodaddy?!?! WAAAAH!!! WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!"

  • May 19, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Laser--

    by Six Demon Bag

    you are about 12 posts behind on my questions...i reposted them for you so you could catch up, grab a dictionary. how on earth do you think T2 is boring? is it the stuff inbetween explosions you dont understand? the plot? you have nothing

  • May 19, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Laser-i'll ask again

    by Six Demon Bag

    how does liking a director who, in his 30 years of filmmaking, hasyet to make a bad film??? what about the other directors that i like? am i kissing their asses as well. Find me a director who has the INTEGRITY that Cameron has and the record (7 for 7!!!) and then you will "win". i feel silly having to tell you the basics of filmmaking, its pretty much a given. but i know, you'll, once again, avoid the question, and attempt a lame ass retort. now THAT is boring.

  • May 19, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    laser

    by Six Demon Bag

    you say to love Aliens. whats the difference between the Ripley-Newt dynamic and the T800-John dynamic? Cameron is a rare talent to have directed two films that can claim to be 2 of the best sequels, and can arguably be better than the original. dont see FULL THROTTLE taking that claim

  • May 19, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Why wasnt Mos Def considered for....

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    At least one of the two blockbusters movies coming out? You got Tyrese in Bay-formers and Common in Trans-minators yet he's a better actor. He was in Hitchhikers Guide, 16blocks and a dozen other movies and he held his own in each flick. Common could one day be a decent actor, Until then, he needs to stick with music.

  • May 19, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    wait----what?

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    ---Oh never mind.

  • May 19, 2009, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation Review

    by Jobeswar

    Just wanted to let you know that they have an exclusive Terminator Salvation review over at www.mymavra.com. There is also a DVD contest at the bottom.

  • May 19, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Laser? Laser?

    by Six Demon Bag

    must be out buying PAUL BLART.

  • May 19, 2009, 3:04 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by Six Demon Bag

    will aintitbalenews.com become self-aware at midnight on Thursday?

  • May 19, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    AP review

    by Six Demon Bag

    We have seen the future in "Terminator Salvation," and the future is noisy. This fourth flick in the "Terminator" saga takes place in 2018, 14 years after Judgment Day. John Connor is a rising force in the resistance against Skynet, the artificial intelligence network that started thinking for itself and eradicating humanity. He has seen destruction and listened to the recordings left by his mother that foretell his future, but he has yet to send anyone back in time in hopes of stopping it, including the man who will become his father. (You definitely need to have seen the first three movies to have a clue as to what's going on here. This is no time to play catch-up. Being a fan also helps.) McG, director of the "Charlie's Angels" movies and "We Are Marshall," drops into this well-established lore and presents a post-apocalyptic world that is repetitively bleak and relentlessly loud. Yes, the machines have taken over, so of course there's going to be a healthy amount of clanging, crunching metal and automatic weapon fire — but even things that shouldn't be noisy, like the lighting of a flare, sound like a rocket launch. And Christian Bale steps into the role of John Connor, played previously by Edward Furlong and Nick Stahl, and he ... well, he does the same voice he uses when he dons the black suit for the "Batman" movies, a monotone, guttural growl regardless of the dialogue. Connor's function as Christ figure is clearer than ever in the script from John Brancato and Michael Ferris, who also wrote 2003's "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines"; nearly everyone who managed to stay alive describes this "JC" as a messiah and a prophet, but not everyone believes it. The metaphor adds yet another layer of portentousness — but the writers also threw in a couple of classic "Terminator" lines, ostensibly to lighten the suffocating mood. Instead, they're real groaners. John must find and protect his future father, teenager Kyle Reese (the plucky Anton Yelchin), while also trying to determine whether to trust the mysterious stranger Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington) to help him with this quest. Worthington has the masculine good looks and formidable screen presence to stand strong opposite Bale — but, naturally, he also has to scream a lot. This installation sorely needs more of the kind of liveliness Arnold Schwarzenegger brought to the franchise. "Terminator Salvation" does feature some inventive camerawork, though — McG is a commercial and music video veteran, after all — and the intricate special effects we've come to expect from the series (the work of the late Stan Winston, who died before the film was finished). Several of the new villainous devices are extremely cool, including the Hydrobots, four-foot-long killer eels that attack under water. But there's not much here in the way of way of humanity, even with the strong feminine presence of actresses including Bryce Dallas Howard, Moon Bloodgood and Jane Alexander. It seems the machines have already won. "Terminator Salvation," a Warner Bros. Pictures release, is rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi violence and action, and language. Running time: 114 minutes. Two stars out of four.

  • May 19, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I find the lack of Balefaith here........disturbing.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Get thee to the node of 39984 noweth.

  • May 19, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Variety/NY Daily News Reviews

    by BLEST

    Darker, grimmer and more stylistically single-minded than its two relatively giddy predecessors, "Terminator Salvation" boasts the kind of singular vision that distinguished the James Cameron original, the full-throttle kinetics of "Speed" and an old-fashioned regard for human (and humanoid) heroics. Only pic's relentlessly doomsday tone -- accessorized by helmer McG's grimy, gun-metal palette -- might keep auds from flocking like lemmings to the apocalypse. The fourth in the celebrated sci-fi series, "Salvation" opens and closes with humanity at war with the machines. In other words, this thing isn't going to end soon. Nor should it, if it keeps on like this. ---Variety<p> "He" is Arnold Schwarzenegger, whose CGI-created face turns up on a new body in a crucial battle in "Terminator Salvation," a fast-moving, rock 'em-sock 'em movie that continues the man-vs.-machines series begun 25 years ago. Between this and "Star Trek," popcorn-movie reboots have hit high gear. Which clicks, since at its heart, "Salvation" is a return to Reagan-era sci-fi. Director McG even keeps the gripping, "Road Warrior"-lite action scenes linear and kind of retro, avoiding today's nervous, chop-shop editing style. When you add the mushroom clouds and Bale, Yelchin and even Schwarzenegger's brief turn, it all fits to a T.---New York Daily News<p>See, it's easy to post a good review, or a bad one. The question is what we will each think personally.<p>My jury is still out, but hoping for the best...with lowered expectations. (cue MadTV music)

  • May 19, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    The is surely the most bizarre review ever??

    by chuffsterUK

  • May 19, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    oops

    by chuffsterUK

    http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_salvation/articles/1821945/i_dont_want_to_make_bale_angry_but_his_weak_supporting_role_isnt_what_we_expected_from_iconic_messiah_john_connor And it's counted as rotten at rotten tomatoes-not even a review really. Another thing that's puzzled me is that some of the reviews over there(eg-3 out of 5)are shown as rotten when they're in fact positive...oh well!

  • May 19, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Well,I've warmed to Mcg...

    by chuffsterUK

    ...I know Harry thought he was a dick for his comments about Michael Bay(is Bay your fweind,Harry?),but I suspected it was in jest.He confirms it here: Speaking of the big explosions and the summer movie, you had thrown down the gauntlet to Michael Bay for an explosion-measuring contest. I'm wondering if he has responded to that? McG: It's interesting because it's the sort of thing that makes me never want to speak again because it was meant to be ironic. Somebody said whose robots are bigger? And I was thinking in my mind whose robots are bigger, that's effectively like asking whose cock is bigger. So I responded well we can meet at the Spartacus steps at midnight and I thought it was painfully clear [raises his voice] I'M KIDDING! By the way, I've got a tiny Irish cock. I've got no business. I'm base packing a Dura-Flame. I know a guy who went to college with them. I can't win that battle. So, it was meant to be ironic but the irony was lost in print so I'm done talking about such vulgar things.

  • http://video.hitfix.com/services/player/bcpid1861161894?bctid=23665567001

  • May 19, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Abandon aicn

    by cant_stop_yawning2

    twitch, nuke the fridge (which has a pretty cool V clip up right now) and other sites seem to get a broader variety of cool new news in on a daily basis. this site has become very narrow and biased toward the most recent crap franchise to send them poster, airline ticket, action figure, etc. I encourage everyone to seek out new sites and post the url's in the talkbacks so the exodus can begin.

  • May 19, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    another bad review--SPOILERS!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    The machines are winning. That’s how I felt after “Terminator Salvation,” the fourth installment in a franchise that used to make us care about the characters but has now — in the hands of director McG (“Charlie’s Angels”) — turned into a mechanical exercise in pointless action. Granted, it’s great action. Terrific special effects. Pulse-pounding pacing. But it’s a case of diminishing returns. “Salvation” so keeps its characters at arm’s length that after awhile it really doesn’t matter what happens to them. Like the recent “Star Trek” movie, this is an attempt to reboot a perennial by approaching it from a different angle. The first three “Terminator” films (released in 1984, 1991 and 2003) were set in the “present” and were about preventing Judgment Day, when the world’s computers and machines would turn on their human creators. “Terminator Salvation,” though, is set after Judgment Day. Earth’s cities are smoldering ruins. The now-adult John Connor (Christian Bale) grew up being told he would lead humanity to triumph over the machines. But at this point Connor is only a regional guerrilla commander whose ideas are overruled by the Resistance’s hierarchy. John D. Brancato and Michael Ferris’ screenplay pivots on two plots. The first is the development of the T-800, the flesh-encased Terminator played by Arnold Schwarzenegger in the original. Human freedom fighters are accustomed to the more primitive T-600s, which have rubbery faces that don’t fool anybody. But the T-800 is so convincing, you’d never suspect it’s not human. Marcus Wright (Aussie actor Sam Worthington) emerges from the wreckage of a bombed-out Terminator manufacturing plant with no memories or clothing. He hooks up with a young fugitive named Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin, “Star Trek’s” Chekov) and his mute child companion, Star (Jadagrace), and proves effective at fighting machines. Actually we’ve seen Marcus before. In a prologue set in our present he’s a condemned criminal who donates his body to science … or at least to a scientist (Helena Bonham Carter) from some computer company called Cyberdyne Systems. (Gasp!) Once he emerges from the wreckage, he’s determined to meet John Connor and, along the way, falls in love with a hotshot jet fighter pilot (Moon Bloodgood). The other plot is about the efforts of John and Marcus to rescue Kyle, who has been captured by the machines. This is important because at some point in the future Kyle will be sent back in time to protect (and impregnate) John’s mother, Sarah. If Kyle is allowed to die at the hands of the machines, John Connor will never exist. The Resistance will collapse. The machines will win. Yeah, it gives me a headache, too. And one of “Salvation’s” big problems is that the gnarly, knotted mythology keeps us from getting into characters who are shallow to begin with. The original “Terminator” was a love story about time travel. “T2” was a love story about a boy and his pet killer robot … and about time travel. “Terminator Salvation,” though, has no real relationships and no time travel. It hasn’t yet been invented. Bale’s John Connor is a flinty-eyed stoic and about as interesting as a two-by-four (a Batman suit might have helped). He has a pregnant wife, Kate (the same character that was played by Claire Danes in “T3”), but in this colorless role the usually excellent Bryce Dallas Howard is wasted. Yelchin is, well, boyish as young Reese, but he’s not exactly overflowing with personality. Bloodgood is a bit more intriguing as a gung ho woman warrior. The best performance comes from Worthington as the conflicted Marcus, torn between his conviction that he’s human and the growing evidence to the contrary. Frankly, most of these roles could have been played by marionettes with about the same impact. But the movie looks great, anyway. The production designers have had a field day. They give us: flying machines. Riderless motorcycles like machine guns on wheels. Towering machines that look like Transformers. Nasty aquatic sentinels that resemble voracious metallic eels. And, of course, various T-600s and T-800s. Plus, the flick is jammed with references to earlier “Terminator” movies and shout-outs to the “Mad Max” movies (the mute child Star could be a cousin of the Feral Kid from “The Road Warrior”) and other apocalyptic sci-fi classics. With all its noise and kinetic juice, “Terminator Salvation” dishes plenty of eye candy and thrills. But it has none of the emotion or intellectual resonance of the first two James Cameron-directed installments. It’s basically a cheap thrill. An expensive cheap thrill

  • May 19, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    i especially like the part bout DIMINISHING RETURNS!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

    and. i. own. your. sorry. ass. Laser.

  • May 19, 2009, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Sick musician....pretty bad actor.

    by dr sauch

    I do like Common's music a lot, but he always feels "tacked on" to movies.

  • May 19, 2009, 8 p.m. CST

    Visions of Transformers are ringing in my head

    by LabattsBleu

    Its a movie i thought was fun and enjoyable, but immediately forgettable (except for Megan Fox)...i think T:S will be in that category for me...is it something people will like or have fun at? Sure, that's what 'popcorn movies' are...will it be something we will be discussing 20 or 15 years from now (Like Terminator and T2) No.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    19 reviews in, 14 Rotten...

    by LabattsBleu

    when the 4 positive reviews talk about how this is how "summer blockbusters are supposed to be" or "popcorn movies hitting high gear", it strikes me that it is a pretty backhanded compliment, much like "it is better than T3" - like that is a difficult thing to accomplish...DAMN YOU MCG...

  • May 19, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Labatts

    by Six Demon Bag

    yeah its "good" if you want mindless entertainment, forgetting about it by the time you reach the parking lot. vapid and shallow. i miss the good ol days of 91.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Most of all, the advance reviews are unanimous...

    by Bjornegar

    ...in describing Bale's performance as dull, one-note and upstaged by a better, more charismatic co-star. Yet another in a long, long line of mediocre mumble-mouthings. Over and over, it seems AMERICAN PSYCHO was simply a coincidental circumstance of dead-eyed actor perfectly cast in a dead-eyed role.<P> The Cult of Bale lives, forever drooling over a false idol.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:12 p.m. CST

    labatts

    by Six Demon Bag

    actuallyi think i read one review saying the guy wishes for the days of T3!!!

  • May 19, 2009, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Bjornegar

    by Six Demon Bag

    you arent talking Batman are you? thats EXACTLY how it was supposed to be played. hes an asshole and one dimensional, until he suits up.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    "How can some people say it's awesome and others that it's crap?

    by Bjornegar

    Well, it's possible that people can have differing opinions based on their own tastes and prejudices?<P> Or, it could be, some reviewers are paid under the desk by studios for positive reviews.<P> Or, it could be two of the first ten people to review the film on Rotten Tomatoes are nincompoops.<P> I can't think of another single, logical reason.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by Bjornegar

    In all of the over-exagerrated praise for Nolan's Batman films, you'll hardly ever hear anyone unconditionally compliment Bale's performance. Indeed, his performance is usually the one thing the fans begrudgingly have ceded to the detractors. <P> EXACTLY what Bruce Wayne or Batman should be?<P> You can't be serious.

  • May 19, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    15 negative to 5 positive so far... rotten at 25%

    by SunTzu77

    The Village Voice cracks me up... "Save Yourself! (From McG's Terminator).... Bale, doing the "Grrr" voice, is a lesson in how clenched effort does not equal effect. What's remarkable about his leaked freakout—mostly embarrassing in revealing a director who can't Alpha up on his set—is that it's over a performance in McG's "Terminator Salvation." Did the dude sweat this much over Reign of Fire? Worthington, half-burying his Aussie accent under gruff bluff, is of the blunt Jason Statham–Daniel Craig genus, with a bit of Ricky Hatton thrown in (with Hatton's level of resourcefulness). These Commonwealthers are dull trudgers, all—can we get a tariff?" LOL

  • May 19, 2009, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Miami Herald...

    by SunTzu77

    "Review: Save us from this dour, bum-out new Terminator...Every summer movie season must have its share of clanging heavy metal, and fitting the bill this year is the awkwardly titled Terminator Salvation, which has enough exploding robots, aircraft and artillery to tide us over until Transformers 2 arrives. Neither bland enough to ignore nor noteworthy enough to remember, the movie occupies that crowded middle ground of serviceable sequels that send you home feeling, if not exactly burned, then certainly unsatisfied." ROFL

  • May 19, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Bjornegar

    by Six Demon Bag

    pretty serious. he's a cipher. kind of unsure of his place in the world. he really doesnt know who he is. considering, i think he did a pretty good job. Great in Batman Begins. Overshadowed in TDK.

  • May 19, 2009, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by LabattsBleu

    like i mentioned earlier, i was hoping against hope that McGinty would be able to do something with such rich material...but it looks like it is going to be nothing more than a footnote like T3 was...the schadenfreude i feel is that movie studios simply do not have respect for the movie going, filming half assed scripts with marginal directors...I DO hope T:S tanks, and not because of McGinty, but because studio decisions need consequences for both good decisions and bad decisions...the more people who actually go and pay for this tripe, the more emboldened the studio is to continue to produce it...I am personally indebted to Joel Schumacher...it he didn't create the absolute crap of Batman and Robin and Batman forever, we would have never have gotten the Dark Knight...I hope T:S is a abject failure so that the studio will actually take a f@#$king creative risk with what is potentially a billion dollar property...

  • May 20, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST

    I thought it was pretty cool

    by CherryValance

    that Bale took a back seat to the Joker in TDK. I mean that character's flamboyant no matter who plays it. If he was a bad actor he would have tried some hysterics to get attention back onto himself and away from Heath since he's "the star". But he didn't do that and I thought it was pretty cool. I personally don't think I've seen a bad Bale movie yet. Maybe I missed one, but I think he's a great actor. He's definitely in the running for best of his generation as far as I'm concerned. And I'm not saying that because of this fun we're having calling him a god. I'm serious. I think he's pretty great. If this movie is somehow as bad as some of the buzz I'll be surprised, because apart from stellar performances I think he's made better choices than most actors. Before I saw Harsh Times I thought that was gonna be the crap one, and then I really liked it.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    bringinsexyback

    by most excellent ninja

    you falling into this Bale shit is fucking pathetic. fucking lose cunt. go back to watching dancing with the stars you cock.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Bale IS the best of his generation

    by most excellent ninja

    it's just typical aintitcool guys who get prissy at something getting famous talking shit. One note Bale is still more engaging than most actors doing their best work.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:23 a.m. CST

    29% at RT

    by Volllllume3

    It is as I have forseen. Fuck you McG, you fucking pussy.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Laserpants? To each his own?

    by most excellent ninja

    you've been complaining about T2 for 2 fucking years. It's pathetic. Grow up son.

  • May 20, 2009, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Bjornegar wrong

    by most excellent ninja

    Batman Begins the biggest talking point was how good Bale was. so suck a dick and stop making shit up.

  • May 20, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    San Francisco Chronicle...

    by SunTzu77

    This cracked me up "McG is a director with an above-average eye and an original instinct for camera placement. To his credit, he's not one of those lazy types who think they can generate excitement in an action sequence by shaking the camera or kicking it. But he has a major weakness as a filmmaker, and that weakness is all over "Terminator Salvation": His grand, elaborate visual sense is completely detached from his brain"..."Whoever thought in 2003 that we'd look back on "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" as the good old days?"

  • May 20, 2009, 3:34 a.m. CST

    FUCK this PG-13 BULLSHIT to hell!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    And FUCK McG too!!!<p>Gawd, I'm sick and fucking tired of people defending this piece of shit teenie movie.

  • May 20, 2009, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Bale is awesome. It's McG who is vinegar, water, and nozzle

    by drturing

    Bale is one of the great actors of his generation. It's really sad. His freakout wasn't that big of a deal, and if McG had a fucking clue on how to run a set it _wouldn't_ have happened. Now Bale is stuck with a negative public perception, bad press, and what sounds like a LAME summer movie.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:01 a.m. CST

    McG stop selling me this move like it's a car

    by drturing

    You believe any of this shit you spout on autopilot at all? So yeah we live in a society with artificial hearts and SSRIs you keep saying... Is there anything to that in regards to this story other than the fact that you keep mentioning it in the hopes of sounding intelligent? Do you have any insight into the human condition about this other than "it's mythical, a quest of becoming"? At least Michael Bay is sincere about his stupidity. And would you just fucking admit you wanted to rip off Children of Men and Road Warrior instead of saying "long takes, like in Hitchcock's Rope". What a load of fucking evasive horseshit. I just realized what job McG would've been amazing at: Press Secretary for Bush.

  • May 20, 2009, 4:42 a.m. CST

    er, laserpants...

    by cloudrider`

    you really dont want to shout "i fucking win" on a movie with 29% ratings. that would not get you any street creds at all in any movie forum. <p> maybe it's time to let go of T2 and troll another movie.

  • May 20, 2009, 5:13 a.m. CST

    T4 TB on thursday should be called Six Demon Bag vs LaserPants

    by Six Demon Bag

    I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!! what a jackass.

  • May 20, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Wow, a (c)rapper who considers himself an actor!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    How amazing. There was one in LA recently - he too thought he had "a wide range", but last week it turned out that the glock of another rapper-wannabe-actor had a wider range.

  • May 20, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Roger Ebert just reviewed T4

    by SunTzu77

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com / --- 2 stars -- "I know with a certainty approaching dread that all of my questions will be explained to me in long detailed messages from "Terminator" experts. They also will charge me with not seeing the movie before I reviewed it. Believe me, I would have enjoyed traveling forward through time for two hours, starting just before I saw the movie. But in regard to the answers to my questions: You know what? I don't care."

  • May 24, 2009, 8:40 p.m. CST

    damn man you compared him to ONLY black actors?

    by whothefuckcares

    And ACTORS at that. Not even other rappers that turned acing/actors. I'm talking about you, drturing. You're like those white sports commentators that only compared black quarterbacks to other black quarterbacks back in the day. You weren't even fuckin' subtle about it. Jesus Christ!

  • May 24, 2009, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Bale is awesome, best of his generation?

    by whothefuckcares

    drturing and most excellent ninja, what the fuck are you two smoking and how bad is this "generation" if he is one of the best? Was he great in Reign Of Fire, which Terminator Salvation seems to be a sequel to? Was he great in Equilibrium, which WAS a good movie, and he was part of the reason, but HE didn't raise it above a level of that, even with the ill action stunts (Wimmer boys). I mean, even with Batman and Dark Knight, what did "HE" do to elevate those movies? He gets skinny for two movies, Rescue Dawn and Machinist, does that movie Harsh Times, and now he's the greatest of his fuckin' generation? This generation is pathetic if that is the case.