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A Review Of ABC’s Alien Nazi-Lizard Sci-Fi Remake Pilot V!!
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ABC is expected to take to series its remake of the 1983 miniseries about Nazi-ish lizard extraterrestrials who invade Earth.
“M. Bison” says:
So I had the opportunity today to see the pilot episode of the reboot of V due to hit television this fall. I have to say it was pretty entertaining and I will definitely be giving it a look. The premise is still pretty much the same “Alien visitors show up claiming to be our friends, but have a hidden agenda that has grave consequences for mankind” and many of the characters will be familiar to you as well.
The pilot stars Elizabeth Mitchell, Scott Wolf, Morena Baccarin, Alan Tudyk, Morris Chestnut and Joel Gretsch.
Elizabeth Mitchell and Alan Tudyk play agents with the Department of Homeland Security who are investigating a terrorist sleeper cell operating out of New York . Morris Chestnut plays a businessman with a shady past that ties directly to the events leading up to the Visitors’ arrival. Joel Gertsch plays a priest struggling with his faith in the face of an alien appearance that shakes his core beliefs and is suddenly thrust into a conspiracy when a dying man in his church gives him info on the aliens. Morena Baccarin plays the enigmatic Anna, leader of the Visitors. Scott Wolf plays the journalist with high aspirations who sees the Visitor’s arrival as a way to further his career. He quickly befriends Anna and the two form a bond.
Overall the show has a good production value. The special effects were not the best, but at the same time they did not detract from the show. It certainly feels like the original V complete with their arrival as the large saucer ships show up over all the major cities of the world. It kind of had the feel of really wanting to be serious which I think was done well. The Sci-Fi is kept to a minimum other than the Visitors’ tech and it firmly kept itself grounded in reality as much as a show with this kind of premise could.
If the show can keep up the pace that the pilot set, it could be a very good show. It certainly has a JJ Abrams feel to it in the way it was shot. There is plenty of opportunity for sub-plots as well as all of the characters appear to have a certain depth written into them that is only very briefly touched upon in the pilot.
ABC announces its fall schedule Tuesday.
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While Lost gets the shaft and gets posted a few hours beforehand. <Br> Fuck Fringe, Fuck V, the only thing that matters right now is the LOST Season Finale!
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Either that or Republicans. Heh.
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Hmmmm...but what about LOST??? Could those beautiful cans be leaving the island, or would filming not interfere w/ LOST?
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Never heard of it.
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Where you can be free with your long hair waving in the wind and can frolic across the countrysideeeee...fuck that It's the most amazing show ever, prepare to have your eyeballs and ears fucked tonight from it's awesomeness!!!
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who am i kidding<br> I won't be watching this shit
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She of the "Crazy Eyes" from the classic How I Met Your Mother episode "Swarley". I can definitely see her as the alien leader...so is this show an actual series or a mini?
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by fiester Either that or Republicans. Heh. ---------------------------------------- Yeah knowing how stupid and liberal Hollywood is these days that's probably exactly how they'll play it. Then our President, the savior, can swoop in, spend 100 trillion dollars and fix it, forever banishing alien lizards and conservatives from the planet. Sounds like a winner.
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Just asking...
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is Alan Tudyk doing in this?<p> Doods much too talented and versatile to be in this pos remake
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If it's picked up it will be intended as an ongoing series, not another mini.
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Excellent.
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I have been a Republican ever since I was old enough to vote, and in all those years, I can assure you, I have never wanted to eat live animals, harvest humans for food, or steal this planet's water. :) Leaving party affiliation aside (as is warranted, I feel), I would be most interested to hear your opinions on the V franchise. Have you seen either of the miniseries or any of the series episodes? Have you read any of the novels? Or that short-lived comic back in the '80s? If so, I would welcome your thoughts.
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...don't believe in science and Magic Bearded Sky Daddy won't help out re: providing city-sized flying saucers so the analogy falls apart.
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but I do want to eat live animals, harvest humans for food, and steal this planet's water. Weird.<p> I'm still not sold on Morena. Unless they're going a different direction with her character from the original (which the name change could indicate), I can't see her pulling it off. Everything I've seen her in she's had a vulnerability to her character, and I can't remember ever seeing that with Diana.
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Trying to keep a serious tone...<p> Not too much emphasis on sci-fi tech...<p> Grounded in reality...<p> ....Battlestar Galactica...<p> Sounds like someone trying to copy Ron Moore to me. Let's just hope it's half as good.
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Better than this deserves. Maybe it will surprise me. If they can make BSG cool again anything can happen.
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At the end of the pilot episode we discover that the Visitors are actually humans and the planet we thought was Earth is actually an alien world! (Thus setting it up as a Ron Moore-esque allegory of the Bush Admin's foreign wars of adventure and agression.)
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May 13, 2009, 2:09 p.m. CST
what about the laser guns and shuttles??
by porkinz the x-wing instructor
what do they look like? sound effects for them? tell us more about the tech, dude!
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...utter crap. The old weekly V series (as opposed to the two mini series), as crappy as it was, is still better than Moore's rape of BSG. Seriously, who wears ties and business suits in anything other than a cheap, crappy fanfilm (which is essentially all that Moore has ever been able to produce.)
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Joel Gretsch was great in The 4400. I think this show has promise. Plus, did you know that Joel is William Shatner's son-in-law?
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even though 4400 wasn't aliens, it still felt like it. So Gretsch was in Taken (the Spielberg miniseries that introduced Dakota Fanning), 4400 and now this. I'll watch this to see Mitchell and Tudyk interact, especially when faced with eeevil Inara.
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I have no doubt that an alien dude will be moanin' and groanin' with a human chick, and a baby will result. It's a lock.
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...but making a sci-fi series w/o sci-fi is just stupid. P.S., Galatica was vastly overrated.
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Yeah, do the laser guns make the same distictive...Swoosh..or is it more like..Swiish...? Or is it a Zwiish..Sound. I don't know, I cant remember.
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Alan's role is very interesting in the pilot and I think they picked the perfect person for it. I won't give away any more details because he is involved in a pretty big "reveal" towards the end of the pilot.
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It is there, but very subdued. Its just background pieces to the drama that is going on. I'm sure there will be episodes (if it gets picked up for a full series) that will dwell on the techno-babble.
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The pilot does not involve any Visitor beat-downs so no idea what they will end up doing in that regard.
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Wolfman Jack and flying motorcycles are 100x better than Ron Moore's craptacular BSG.
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DHS agents investigating a terrorist cell, a priest struggling with his faith, an ambitious reporter... I'll give it a chance, but they better have some damn good writing.
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Does this mean Juliet is dead or what..?
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Would be far more likely to establish a revolution to the imposed world order. The V story is an allegory of the slow-boil rise of Nazi-ism: the Nationalist Socialist party. When was the last time you met a Republican socialist from the workers party? <p> Had you studied either political history OR your television history you would know better than your assertions indicate. <p> Of course I voted for Ron Paul at one point. So I'm on the Lizards' watch-list.
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I thought they were calling themselves Teabaggers now, since no one wants to be known as a Republican. Even their hero, Joe the Dumber, er Plumber, has abandoned the party.<p> Cheney/Limbaugh '12!
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Maybe the aliases are to avoid the watch lists the government is compiling, of people evil enough not to have differing views than our Dear Leader.
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They were Socialist.
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Together again..no mention of the Firefly costars..? And yes, Alan Tudyk is a talented actor. See his performance in Death At A Funeral.
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"Not your father's V" ?
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Left, Right, whatever . . . so long as the masses obeyed.
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A lot of those right-wing nutjobs need to be on watchlists. I only wish Tim McVeigh had been on one. <p> "Hey Lois look it's the two symbols of the Republican party: an elephant and a fat white guy who fears change!" <p> -P. Griffin
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May 13, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST
And I didn't hear you wingnuts complaining about watchlists...
by fiester
When Dubya was pushing The Patriot Act down our collective throats...
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is that Hitler actually devised the name of his part specifically to be a catch-all. Think about it: National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), that's a name that has something for anyone, or at least that was the intent. National = right, Socialist = left, German = right, Workers' = left. It was one more way of making the ideology vague so that more and more ordinary German citizens who were disgusted with the other parties could fill in the blanks with their own hopes and desires. But that was Hitler's style: he constantly made contradictory promises to various interests - whatever got him support from a given group, he'd say it. In the end, though the nationalist and expansionist element would appear to put the Nazis at least in orbit of the right, the fact is that there was no set ideology: Nazism was whatever Hitler said it was on any given day.
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...will do more to hurt this country than the policies of W ever did.
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MAKES ME WANT TO FUCKING PUKE. THAT 4-EYED GAP-TOOTHED FREAK COULDN'T DIRECT HIS WAY OUT OF BRYAN SINGER'S NUTSACK, THE FUCKING PONCE.
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I am so there.
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the musical episode
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is in my WoW guild. Go Bison! A love of the old V show is one of the few things he and I agree on :)
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in an oasis of hollywood assholes!
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for Anna.
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I think you're thinking of gay marriage. THAT's the real threat to the republic.
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a guinea pig. Or anything for that matter.
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The Democrats are toddlers running around, fat arms raised, poop in their diapers. The Republicans are the good-looking teachers who try to convince the Demos not to eat their own poop (Look, Johnny, a big, ripe, red apple!) An unpleasant job, but someone's got to help the babies. And BTW, a V reboot sounds kinda interesting. Better than another lawyer/doctor show.
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She makes my little wizard happy.
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And it feels like JJ Abrams?... just fucking proves this will be SHIT!
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Irrational and vitriolic hate for a much loved and very well received reboot, endless irrelevant repetition no-one is interested in, absurd comparisons outside any realm of objectivity... yep it's you! <p> Now scurry off to the Star Trek talkback and keep boring everyone with your asinine bullshit.
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MIchael Ironside perhaps? <BR>Marc Singer and Robert Englund probably aren't too busy doing anything.
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Reagan was an enthusiastic supporter of funding El Salvador, despite the fact, that the military dictatorship's death squads were running around, decimating the populace. Troops, I might add, provided with American ammunition and trained at the School of the Americas. Look up El Mozote. The point is that the opening of the original miniseries has a dedication to resistance fighters everywhere, then follows that with a sympathetic depiction of a guerilla leader being filmed Mike Donovan and his associate Tony. Hence, while the rest is ant-Nazi allegory, the right wing and their hero, the morally dubious and overrated Ronald Reagan, get dissed.
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I'm glad Obama and the Democratic Congress got rid of it so fast.
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they have the moutain camp attack scene, or something similar, I'm in, at least for the pilot. That's gotta be my favorite sequence out of the whole miniseries. We found out how hardcore Julie was at the end of it when she said they may have to sacrifice thounsands to save billions, after she faced down Diana's fighter with a pistol. I'm a little iffy about this being a weekly thing, though. I was a kid when the original weekly series was on and even I thought it was crap.
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that ALL politicians are evil. they only tell different lies. morons
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he will forever be the man that pummeled star trek into stupidity
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Colonel Count von Stauffenberg was not and never had been a member of the Nazi Party; he was instead a scion of ancient German Catholic nobility and a proud Army family. There were a number of members of the Nazi Party in the Resistance, this is true, but Stauffenberg was not among them. Though I REALLY do not want to get too deeply entrenched in a political debate, I have to honestly ask if the only Republicans who appear NOT to be evil in your eyes are those who oppose their party. If so, then I suppose I must be evil in your eyes, for I would not have become a Republican if I did not agree with its ideals. I do so because, like all of you here who selected a party or ideology that works for you, I made an informed decision to do so, because I thought (and still think) that its ideals make the most sense to me. I do not for a moment ask for anyone here who thinks differently to feel ashamed of their own beliefs, and in fairness, no one should expect me to be ashamed of mine. But at least I won't be harvesting you for food and taking the water back to Sirius. :P Which brings me to the topic at hand: I am glad you liked the miniseries, and agree with you that the TV series marked the franchise's sudden and steep decline. Have you seen the DVD of the original miniseries? If not, I know you would like hearing miniseries creator Kenneth Johnson's commentary track; I am sure you would find it both informative and enjoyable. But don't take my word for it, as I'm sure there are many here who would tell you the same thing.
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Both the left and right have both authoritarian extremes (as well as anarchist kooks). The left has the ideology of communism, the right has the ideology of fascism. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are anywhere close to being either of these things. I don't like the Republican Party, and think Bush was terrible, but this same party also gave us Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Lincoln. And using huge deficits to cure an economic downturn doesn't make you a socialist, his support for Bush's bail-outs prove Obama is trying to save corporate America. No Republican seemed to mind big deficits when it was being used to prop up the defense industry in the 1980s, finance a tax cut, or rebuild Iraq. The Democrats and Republicans are more alike than different.
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I may not agree with every point you make, but I've got to hand it to you: your entry was thought-out, informed, and most importantly, it was balanced. I don't ask anyone to think differently than they do; I only ask that they be FAIR.
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I disagree with your boiling-down of both the Democratic and Republican parties. The left has the ideology of socialism (often confused with communism) and the right has the ideology of capitalism. That the Republicans were in power on 9/11 is the reason the facism tag is so often put on the right. I have no doubt that were Gore the president during this time, the Republicans would have been protesting his version of the Patiot Act, or criticizing the Gore Administration's handling of coerced interrogation as "torture", even though it isn't as bad as anything you'll find on the campus of any american university during Rush Week.
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it just shouldnt...the premise doesnt hold up in series format...and the costs cause the fx to be shite<P> needs to be done as a series of minis
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I'm not usually the paranoid type, but no one has called plant on this?<p> I especially like the part where his buddy from Wow drops on to lend legitimacy to him.<p> Read it again with leafy glasses on. :)
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Yes, and the review is not evaluative, and reads like a plot synopsis.
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The difference between looking through adult eyes and kid eyes, I guess. Man, I was really forgiving of bad effects!
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brings to mind Zizek's comment about how the soldiers at Al Ghraib weren't torturing the Iraqi prisoners so much as initiating them into American culture...
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Easter Egg! (.)(.) Script Girl should have played the chesty lead alien villain in the new V. Well, anyway, since they are doing this new V...we'll only have to wait 16 years or so for someone to rip-off the remake of V, and remake that as Independence Day 2.
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RIP Juliet...I'm glad Mitchell landed another project, I think she's an excellent actress...
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Reagonomics fuck'n kicks ass.
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Would the political idiots stay of it, oh wait second....... you people ARE Lizard People. My bad.
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Good response time.
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She didn't die. If she did, she wouldn't have been able to trigger the bomb would she?
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US politics is funny (except when it spills over into foreign policy and affects the rest of us). <p>You basically only have 2 political parties. That's weird.<p> Then you are suprised that these 45% catch-alls contain a wide range of very different core ideologies.<p>Authoritarians? Check - religious right and politically correct zealots <p>individualists - right wing libertarians and left wing anarchists <p>Socially-conscious activists? check - plenty of people, religious and non-religious, left and right, give of their time and resources to help their fellow humans<p>Oligarchs? check - Ultra-capitalist Corporatists and semi-communist Unionists. <p>You want socialism? Go to Cuba, or Korea. They're nasty. Or maybe try Sweden and Norway. Very pleasant. <p>You want an end to big government? Try Somalia. They haven't got one at all, or some places in Pakistan or Mongolia. You can live your entire life and not see a government official. <p>Political dynasties and corruption? Check. Both sides<p>People who've come from poverty to greatness? Check. Both sides.<p>You want "moral values" at the core of government? Try Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or the Philippines<p> You want freer markets and purer forms of capitalism? Go to Egypt, and you can spend all day every day haggling ad nauseam for whatever you want. No fixed prices. Or Venezuela, where anti-competitive monopolies/cartels are being dealt with head-on. Or all those places where restrictive copyright and intellectual property laws and minimum humane working conditions imposed by governments are ignored. <p><p>almost as if the left-right dichotomy you all keep banging on about, is a convenience at best, is in constant evolution (or intelligent redesign) and is really, really specific to US culture and history (and I wouldn't dare say it mainly boils down to what people deem as acceptable level of taxation). <p>Whining about Hollywood politics is about as meaningful as complaining that your dog has bad breath and farts occasionally.
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May 14, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST
I'd like to see Morenna Baccarin eat Elizabeth Mitchell....
by Midnightxpress
Talk about a ratings winner...
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democrats are socialists...republicans are capitalists? enhanced interogation is nothing worse than what happens during rush week?<P> republicans from farm states endorse price supports...they also support taxes for fire, police and road building as well as other public works...they support corporate welfare...sounds like socialism to me<P> american society is neither purely capatalism nor socialism...it is a mixture of both...<P> as for the torture the bushies inflicted upon prisoners not being worse than what happens during rush week...well, i wont even bother to comment on that...you are an idiot
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Moral values at the core of government in the Philippines? <p> You ever been there? It's one of the most outwardly corrupt governments in the world & they don't care who knows it. I worked there for 3 months & got the fuck out.<p> I'm all for a V remake! I loved it when I was a kid, but it's laughable now. Much like BSG, it can only be imporved upon. The premise is cool as fuck!
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Will I check this out? Sure, what the heck. I can Tivo it and on a Saturday night with some pizza and beer maybe kick back and watch it as I catch up on some things. The lifelong geek in me usually checks out assorted sci-fi, fantasy, horror stuff for the fun of it. And I'm old enough to remember the original, so there's a part of me that will watch it and say "Okay, let's see what they changed."<p>But am I EXCITED about it? Not really. I mean, as I just said, I can sit back and watch it, in order to see what they changed. But I predict this will just fall under the banner of my saying "WHY DO I CARE?" Seriously, a bunch of you are debating politics and all -- but even if you wanted to do a show with that kind of statement or background, then why not just create a NEW sci-fi show that allowed you to tackle those themes?<p>And that's the bottom line for me -- was the world REALLY demanding a new version of a failed TV show from the early Eighties? If you were going to do a TV show about a freakin' alien invasion...and the effect it has on the Earth and people, at which point you do story arcs about them...what, you're telling me Hollywood is SO creatively bankrupt that it had to resurrect V as opposed to creating something new? That could have added to the genre?<p>So, sure, I'll probably check it out, but my enthusiasm meter isn't exactly off the scale for this one. Just seems like Hollywood being lazy yet again, and that strikes me as sad since -- speaking as a writer myself -- I just have to believe there's probably some pretty kick-ass or rock solid "alien invasion" scripts just sitting and languishing in Hollywood, and yet rather that give something NEW a change, these dopes decided to serve up yet another retread.
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Cant wait to see what they do with it :) <p>And it was dedicated to all freedom fighters, not just the Contras lol <p>Here mousey mousey ;)
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Moral values in the sense of ensure the population toe the line. I wouldn't expect politicians anywhere to follow the same rules as those they have set in for the plebs.
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..that I remembered Karl Malden being in this when I saw it as a kid. I checked on IMDB and NO!<P>It's like when you remember being young and all your old friends look like they do now. Then you see an old photo and you think 'who the fuck are THOSE guys?'<P>First time I saw Robert Englund though. A few years later when I first saw NOES I couldn't believe they were the same person. <P>And Michael Ironside kicked arse. As always.
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They're politicans.
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But if the Visitors are raiding Earth for water when the outer solar system is full of useful ice moons (none of which have any pesky monkeys to shoot back), I don't think I can take it seriously. Yeah, I know, allegory, but the sci-fi foundations are dubious at best - and if they're going for the gritty realism, it makes that all the more obvious.
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You should try expanding your mind once in awhile. Think beyond yourself.
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I'll watch it when it comes out, and try and keep an open mind. After all, I watched the new BSG series at first for the express purpose of seeing what a trainwreck it would be, and ended up being rather pleasently surprised. (Although from the comments of others, I see there are those with no love for it. But I digress.) I do worry, though, that they seem to have missed the point. The two human leads are government agents? Part of the point of the original, to me, was oridnary people being thrust into extraordinary circumstances and doing what they feel is right. I mean, the leader of the resistance was a med-student. A female one, no less, back in the 80's when Riply from Alien was probably the only major example we'd had thus far of female bad-assery. If it in this new one is someone who worked for Homeland Security? Then really, I don't see that as someone oridinary rising to the extraordinary. I see that as someone doing their job. Sure, their job may have just gotten a lot more wierd and difficult, but they are still seeing to the security of their homeland. Also, pity they seem to have done away with John. I always liked the dynamic between John and Diana, where she obviously wanted the power but still had to "suffer" under his leadership. Created an interesting and tense dynamic amongst the Visitor leadership, something that was (one of the many things) lacking in the weekly series. Speaking of Dianna... Anna? Really? That desperate to make changes that the one character discribed that really could be seen as a direct allogory to one of the characters in the original, and they have to dick with the character's name? Really? Ah, well. Guess it is time to anticipate the broadcast of this with the same mantra I kept in my head prior to the new Star Trek. "Please don't suck. Please don't suck." While I will try my best to keep an open mind, I must say that I am decidedly less optimistic on this one. (Seems increaskingly doubtful, but I'd still love to see Kenneth Johnson get his own sequel made. If you haven't already, you should read the novel version. Quite a good read.)
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May 14, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST
I really hope it's good. The original mini-series was outstandi
by Mr Nicholas
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...yeah; I wonder what would happen if we did?
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That's how he ended up shooting his buddy in the face in an alleged "hunting accident." The poor guy surprised Cheney at the "wrong moment" and he accidentally fired. Remember: always put down your rifle when perving out behind a tree.
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...but apparently not so.....If everyone got Lobotomies like FISTED, TOOGAY, FAGREAL et.al., then we would automatically be Democrats. Hmmm,poop is FUN! And the big "Reveal" would be the new aliens Don't ingest the hamsters orally, they take it up the ASS, you know, like Democrats!!!
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Democrats/Republicans - they are both the problem. And while you idiots are fighting back and forth on which party has the biggest dick both parties are sinking this country into the ground. How about "we the people"? Instead of playing piss wars between two scumbag countries how about we team together and take back our country from an overspending, welfare state. OH! And "V" should be cool also!
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Meant to say "between two scumbag parties" - my bad.
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"The Gipper - genrefanboy" Nope. I've been on here for years and have criticized that snoozefest of Moore's before. Never been much into Trek and certainly not into Moore's version of that either. They guy can't do a single original thing.
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May 14, 2009, 2:32 p.m. CST
V was shit unless you were a kid.
by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer
I had always hoped for the big NBC crossover event where the A-Team, Michael Knight and Gary Coleman went up against the V aliens in an all-out battle to the death. <br /> A few authors will make a little scratch penning V books again...<br /> OK, V geek trivia S.P. Somtow wrote a V novel (for the money) called V: Alien Swordmaster - A few years later Somtow directed a hilarious straight to video schlock-horror dynamo called "The Laughing Dead" - It featured cameos from a bunch of sci-fi authors like Artur Byron Cover, Ed Bryant, Tim Powers, William F. Wu, comics great Len Wein and the legendary Forrest J. Ackerman both play corpses.<br /> To appease certain Talbackers I suggest the new alien ruler in V be played by a fully nude CGI Ronald Reagan Zombie with Mark Singers voice and hair.
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That was basically just a plot summary. And the review aspect was extremely vague. I question whether this person really saw the pilot.
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If the Democrats were socialists, they'd be nationalizing corporations instead of loaning them money. Both parties support capitalism, just one wants to regulate it more than the other. Both parties are in favor of going into debt, just one wants to spend the money here in America, and the other wants to spend it in the Middle East.
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Nazis are more like freedom hating liberals with their abortion holocost they support. Good thing Obama is in the White House to take care of me and my paycheck and to distribute it amongst his ACORN cronies. Damn liberal brownshirts.
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The world is not filled with Americans, Demo's or and Rep's alone. You guys seem ready for a new civil war, grow up. It's a freakin' sci-fi pilot.
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...thats funny. Lets call him like that from now on. Jar Jar Abrahams.
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Lens Flares?
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"My name is Dar. My Family was killed by the Jun Horde."
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as the Lizard King Behind the Scenes, in an Undisclosed Location, Pulling the Strings
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It had a great cast, but even then the lizard baby looked really silly.
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George W. Bush won his second term fair and square with a clear majority. Clinton got more votes than Dole and Perot combined.
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