Comics

AICN COMICS REVIEWS WAR OF KINGS! ATOMIC ROBO! ASTRO BOY! CHICKEN WITH PLUMS! & MUCH MORE!

Published at: May 13, 2009, 9:01 a.m. CST

#52 5/6/09 #7

The Pull List (Click title to go directly to the review) WAR OF KINGS #3 ATOMIC ROBO VOL 3 #1 & ATOMIC ROBO FCBD SPECIAL CHICKEN WITH PLUMS OGN STAR TREK: CREW #3 MODESTY BLAISE: THE LADY KILLERS TPB IRREDEEMABLE #2 AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #593 MISERABLE DASTARDS #1-2 Big Eyes For the Cape Guy presents ASTRO BOY MOVIE PREQUEL CHEAP SHOTS!

WAR OF KINGS #3 (of 6)

Writers: Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning Penciler: Paul Pelletier Inker: Rick Maygar Published by: Marvel Comics Reviewed by: BottleImp

It seems that both Marvel and DC are taking some steps backwards these days—both companies are bringing characters, plotlines and concepts from the 1970s and ‘80s into their current crop of titles. From DC’s reintroduction of the Multiverse to Marvel’s showcasing of Spider-Woman, Rocket Raccoon and other moldy oldies, it appears that both of the Big Two have decided to accept the fact that their key demographic is made of people who started reading comics in the ‘70s and ‘80s, so they might as well give their readers what they’re familiar with. But here’s how the Big Two differ: DC’s goal seems to have been bringing back the Multiverse, with the INFINITE CRISIS miniseries geared specifically towards this end, without any plan on what purpose this regression would serve other than its own existence, whereas Marvel has been utilizing those obscure, nearly forgotten characters in order to serve some pretty kick-ass stories.
Case in point: WAR OF KINGS.
True to my word, I bought this issue after being blown away by Abnett and Lanning’s NOVA and GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY titles, and this third comic did not disappoint me. In a nutshell, we get filled in on the state of the Kree-Shi’ar war through the eyes of Gladiator (basically Superman with a kick-ass Mohawk, and royal guard to the Shi’ar Emperor) and the Inhuman Crystal (who along with the rest of the Inhumans is aligned with the Kree). Then we also get a great prison break sequence as the Guardians of the Galaxy and the Starjammers (among whose members include former X-Men Havok and Polaris) attempt to free Lilandra, the rightful Shi’ar leader, from captivity imposed by the despot Vulcan. Terrific action, interesting character development, and some pretty good jokes all rolled into one amazing package.
Regular readers of this column know that Abnett and Lanning are writing the hell out of these titles. They should also know that they are being helped by some truly gifted artists. Paul Pelletier provides wonderful artwork that may not be as flashy or as extreme as some of the fan-favorite artists, but brings the reader into the story in a way that brings me back to reading comics as a kid. I remember when the Masters of Evil trashed the Avengers Mansion, the excitement and the drama I felt reading those classic stories. WAR OF KINGS has that feeling in spades.
So a little regression can be a good thing.
When released from his Bottle, the Imp takes the form of Stephen Andrade, an artist/illustrator/pirate monkey painter from the Northeast. You can see some of his artwork athere. He’s given up comics more times than he can remember. But every time he thinks he's out, they pull him back in.

ATOMIC ROBO VOL 3 #1 & ATOMIC ROBO FCBD SPECIAL

Writer: Brian Clevinger Artist: Scott Wegener Publisher: Red 5 Comics Reviewer: Liam ‘The Kid’

Note: ‘The Kid’ is 8 years old and has been doing reviews on his own site since August of 2008.
ATOMIC ROBO is a very cool comic book about a robot that was built by a scientist and works for the good guys. In the last story about Robo he was in the war fighting with the soldiers against the bad soldiers who built some robots of their own. Robo is a funny character and there is a lot of action with all of the war stuff.
The ATOMIC ROBO book for Free Comic Book Day was very good and had three different short stories. The Atomic Robo short story was the best one. Robo is on an island fighting a dinosaur who has a machine gun and is trying to kill him. I read the regular ATOMIC ROBO books and like them a lot. Robo is a robot who works with the army to fight bad guys and this one was a little bit different because he’s fighting an evil dinosaur but I like that things were a little different. The second story in the comic was about a whole army of robots. It has nothing to do with Atomic Robo but it looked okay. I thought the last story was pretty good, too. It’s about two brothers who kill monsters and I liked the battle they had with the huge monster in this issue. I think that this comic had 3 pretty good stories that show a lot of different comics that the company puts out. I think a lot of people who don’t read comics would find good things to like about these characters and stories.
The newest Robo series takes place before all of the other comics. Robo is still studying in school in New York and he’s mad because there is a lot of fun stuff you can do in New York City but he’s stuck having to do school work. A couple strangers show up at his house looking for the guy who built Robo because they need his help to stop a huge monster who got loose. Robo is kind of annoyed at them and I like how the artist drew his eyes half closed to make it look like he was getting bothered by those two guys. The only bad thing about the book is that it is almost all talking and standing around. The two guys who bother Robo keep asking him for help and he doesn’t really want to help him and then remembers orders that he got from before that said if these people ever show up he’s supposed to kill them. One of the strangers turns into a monster at the end and starts wrecking things and Robo knows he has to go stop it but then it ends when he’s getting ready to fight it.
I like how they do some silly things like put Robo in a suit and tie like he’s a human even though he doesn’t look anything like a human. And I like how Robo keeps talking back to the two guys who bother him. I wish there was a little less talking in the book but now that the monster is out Robo can start hunting it in the rest of the comics. I think it’s cool how in the one story he was fighting with soldiers in a war and in the Free Comic he was fighting a super smart dinosaur and now he’s going to be fighting monsters. I think this story can turn out to be really cool, especially once there is more action. I like that Robo fights different types of enemies. The art is really good like it always is and Robo is drawn really well. I bet this comic would make a good cartoon.
FCBD Robo Story: 10 out of 10
Vol 3 #1 Story: 7 out of 10

CHICKEN WITH PLUMS OGN

By Marjane Satrapi Publisher: Pantheon Reviewer: Ambush Bug

The latest graphic novel from acclaimed artist/writer Marjane Satrapi is one of those reads that resonate off the page and entices emotions that you may be surprised you have. CHICKEN WITH PLUMS is a celebration of a man's life: a man whose love of music guides the way he lives, whether that be a good thing or bad. Some say there are those who cling to life until the have accomplished everything they set out to do in life. This story begins towards the end of one man's journey as he succumbs to death a bit early and is forced to ponder the events that lead him to his death bed.
In a heated argument, Nassar's wife breaks his sitar. The act is unforgivable in Nassar's eyes. The sitar was a keepsake passed down from his teacher to him, an instrument that brought Nassar much fame. Without that specific sitar, Nassar cannot play music. And since music was his life, Nassar decides to lie down and die. The chapters of this book follow Nassar's trip towards death day by day. Nassar attempts to cope with the loss, but nothing can replace his prized instrument. This book is a celebration of how music can be an all-encompassing focal point in life. At first, we get to see the beauty of the music, but as Nassar lies down to die and we go through his life, we see a darker obsession at play. Although it takes a long while, Nassar sees that his concentration on his music has lead him to neglect his family.
Not the most uplifting of reads, but it is a story that sticks with you and makes you think about your own life. Satrapi intersperses stories of Nassar's life throughout the narrative as important people come to visit Nassar as he reclusively waits in his bed to die--despite the fact that he has no real ailments other than a broken heart. It's a selfish move, but Satrapi allows us into Nassar's head, so one can't help but sympathize with the guy. All of the stories are both heartfelt reads and also serve as fascinating glimpses into Iranian culture.
The art in this book is a testament to the statement a picture is worth a thousand words. Through simple shapes and lines, Satrapi is able to convey the most complex of emotions and scenarios. Her talent with panel placement and variety of such is unmatched. Each panel is precise and clear of its intent. The simple blacks and whites serve as metaphor for the way Satrapi looks at things. The summation of the panels equates to an exquisite storytelling experience.
I've yet to read PERSEPOLIS or see the film, but after reading CHICKEN WITH PLUMS, I find myself compelled to do so. Sure it's indie and doesn't pertain to who's coming back in BLACKEST NIGHT or who's a Skrull, but like many books outside of the big two, the money you spend on this book lasts much longer than your average $3.99 weekly ker-plunk. The story sticks. It makes you think. It makes you feel. CHICKEN WITH PLUMS is one of the reasons I'm glad there are alternative publishers out there giving life to stories that are aching to be read and felt. Don't miss this book.
Ambush Bug is Mark L. Miller, reviewer and co-editor of AICN Comics for eight years. Check out his short comic book fiction here and here published in MUSCLES & FIGHTS 3 and MUSCLES & FRIGHTS on his ComicSpace page. Bug was interviewed here and here at Cream City Comics. Look for more comics from Bug in 2009 from Bluewater Productions, including the just-announced sequel to THE TINGLER for their VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS ongoing series in stores October 2009.

STAR TREK: CREW #3

Written by: John Byrne Art by: John Byrne Published by: IDW Publishing Review by: Baytor

I’m still trying to figure out if it’s masochism or sadism that keeps me reading this series. After last month’s under-whelming entry, I swore I was done with it, but I’m having a bad week and there’s a perverse glee I get in ripping this apart.
Like last month, I have absolutely no problem with the artwork, as Byrne is a great fit for this concept. If anything, his efforts this time out are more impressive. Byrne’s even got a nice little plot about the Crew investigating a seemingly abandoned colony that could come straight out of the original series and the plot beats are almost pitch-perfect for an homage of a 60s sci-fi show.
But the writing, my god, it’s an absolute horror-show of over-exposition and telegraphed plot beats. Take the first two lines of dialogue. “Mmm…Balmy! I can see why the Captain said we wouldn’t need our jackets. But what is this place? It’s like we beamed into the American History Museum at the Smithsonian, not a planet ten light years from the Neutral Zone!”
For god’s sake, shut the fuck up and let the reader soak up the mystery of the set-up. We don’t need to hear about the fucking weather. It’s uninteresting and unimportant, which is why we mock people who talk about the weather. Byrne hammers home the fact that the colony looks straight out of the 1960s for four or five pages and it’s mentioned several times that this colony is close to the Neutral Zone border. Less is mother-fucking more. Don’t dump this shitty, stilted, redundant dialogue on top of your beautiful pictures.
If that isn’t bad enough, there’s almost no plot beats that aren’t dead obvious long before the reveal, such as the big revelation on page 15 which is perfectly clear on page 7 when the colonists show up. The backstory and resolution are, at least, mild surprises, but both have been done so many times before, it’s more than a little familiar and cannot save the mishandled plot. This is the true tragedy of this issue, because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the plot. It’s a good, old-fashioned Trek-like plot, but Byrne is like a hack-magician going through all the proper motions of the illusion while never getting the misdirection part right.
One thing I wonder about is who this book is aimed at. It’s written as if the target audience was young kids, but this is all based on a character from a 40 year old failed pilot, which isn’t exactly prime reading material for the average 10 year old. If it’s aimed at older audiences, I can’t understand why Byrne feels compelled to spell out all the clues with big, bold letters with arrows pointing at them saying “THIS IS IMPORTANT!” Does he think he's being far more clever than he's being or does he think his audience is made up of idiots?
But it’s the final panel that really deserves a special bit of scorn. After 20-odd pages of exposition on top of exposition, such as the immortal line, “Androids! Extremely sophisticated humanoid robots!”, he leaves an obscure piece of Star Trek trivia completely unexplained, even though it’s presented as an unspoken and vital piece of dialogue. The inescapable conclusion is that Byrne is showing off his Trek knowledge, unconcerned that only the most hardcore fans (and people who hang out at his message board) will understand what that last panel means.
This is not your father’s STAR TREK. Your father’s STAR TREK was actually a pretty decent show that was well-written for its time. This is poorly written garbage that is obsessed with its own dis-used continuity.

MODESTY BLAISE: THE LADY KILLERS TPB

Written by: Peter O’Donnell Art by: Neville Colvin Published by: Titan Books Reviewed by: Ryan McLelland

I only vaguely remembered the character Modesty Blaise and a quick web search showed how I remembered the book: a 1994 DC Comics adaptation drawn by Dick Giordano. Beyond that I had yet to delve into any of the adventures of the titular character--that is, until now.
Since 2004 Titan Books has been reprinting the original strips that were first printed in London’s Evening Standard. Don’t let MODESTY BLAISE being a newspaper strip fool you; the comic is full of intrigue, phenomenal artwork, amazing stories, and nudity to boot (gotta love the British newspapers).
Each serial has a foreword written by MODESTY BLAISE author Peter O’Donnell – who has written nearly everything Modesty since he first came up with the character. Art duties for this volume is done by Neville Colvin, who has an amazing way with inks and a style reminiscent of Howard Chaykin.
Three large stories are reprinted here along with some long-lost strips. Since I’m unfamiliar with the strip itself having long-lost strips really didn’t appeal to me. The stories and artwork, though, is stunning. The artwork is really helped out by the collection being larger than your average trade paperback. The larger strips really helps bring out Colvin’s artwork. O’Donnell sure has a knack for the world of espionage, and the comics read like one hell of a spy flick – with one sexy-as-hell lead character.
There’s a thrill a page here in this collection. This wonderful reproduction is sure to make a quick fan of anyone who picks it up.
Ryan McLelland has worked in movies and comics journalism for the past several years before joining the @$$holes here at AICN. Ryan’s comic work has already graced comic shelves with Arcana’s PHILLY, WISE INTELLIGENCE, UPTOWN GIRL, and THE SENTINELS ANTHOLOGY. He rarely updates his blog but when he does it can be read at www.eyewannabe.com. The first issue of his new WISE INTELLIGENCE miniseries can be found here.

IRREDEEMABLE #2

Writer: Mark Waid Artist: Peter Krause Published by: BOOM! Studios An @$$hole 2-in-1 review by: BottleImp & Optimous Douche

BOTTLEIMP (IMP): By now, the superhero genre has been pretty thoroughly explored. We’ve had seemingly endless variations on the standard spandex themes, ranging from simple permutations of powers and abilities to the more cerebral superhero deconstructions made popular in the 1980s by Alan Moore, Frank Miller and their disciples. One of the recurring themes of the superhero comic that developed out of these later works (though its roots can be traced back to Stan, Steve and Jack’s groundbreaking humanization of heroes at Marvel in the ‘60s) is the nature of Good and Evil, and the thin line that separates them. The notion of a superhero crossing that line and becoming a supervillain is nothing new…but in IRREDEEMABLE, what is truly new and intriguing is that this change is not a result of evil sorcery, mind control, the cataclysmic destruction of one’s hometown, or ersatz kryptonite whipped up by Richard Pryor. All it takes is humankind’s basic flaws, magnified a thousandfold.
Let’s say that you work in an office building. Your co-workers, though basically decent people, all have slightly annoying habits that start to become noticeable after awhile. After months and months of listening to people bitching about the same old problems, watching them pick their noses, and smelling the B.O. funk from that sweaty guy who has the cubicle next to you, your nerves are understandably set on edge. Then to compound matters, the copier breaks down and everyone just assumes that you’ll be the one to fix it. Finally, that budget report you spent all week working on gets lost by some stupid temp and you have to pull an all-nighter to have it ready for the board in the morning. Is it any wonder that you end up pissing in the breakroom coffee pot? Or in the case of IRREDEEMABLE’s Plutonian, destroying the world and everyone in it?
OPTIMOUS DOUCHE (OD): Imp, you have once again shown that you posses more class in your pinky toe than I have in my entire body. Since Plutonian is basically Superman with blond locks, I was going to liken his meltdown to Clark Kent finding Lois Lane being cocksealed airtight by Perry White, Jimmy Olsen and Pa Kent, whilst in a corner Lex Luthor films the whole thing to sell it on iTunes...and Krypto licks peanut butter off his junk.
But you know, even if Robinson sacrifices a precious page of Science Police drama in the current SUPERMAN run to play out my scenario, Clark Kent still wouldn't lay waste to anything. He would do the same damn thing he's done when betrayed in Elseworlds and other alternate realities like ARMAGEDDON 2001: become an emo bitch (sans mascara) and sulk in solitude. That really gets to the cathartic thrill of IRREDEEMABLE--a psycho fucking Superman laying waste to the world that betrayed him. No continuity and no consequences are truly liberating for a story. It's a great concept that is then slathered in slowly building and fearful drama. Perpetually wondering if your neck is going to be snapped in the next panel makes from some damn interesting characterization. Although, I will say that Plutonian’s Lois Lane seemed almost as unbalanced as he is. He reveals his secret identity and she feels so betrayed that she leaks his identity to the press, which seemed a bit of an extreme reaction. I truly hope we get some more reasons than this to explain Plutonian’s unbalanced state. It would be a real shame if the world ended because no one thought to serve bitchy Lois a "when have you been a superhero, screw you for judging me" sandwich.
IMP: You said it yourself, though-- Mark Waid is giving us a slow buildup of the tension(s) leading up to the current swath of destruction. Like we saw in issue #1, where the Plutonian's super-hearing picks up the shit-talking done by some of the average citizens whose lives he just saved. There are a lot of tiny annoyances that are building up into the world's biggest Jenga tower, and I'm guessing that Waid is going to make the readers sweat a little before he pulls out that crucial block and brings the shit-storm crashing down.
But going back to this issue, I loved the way that Waid has his Superman not deal with the leaking of his identity in a calm and rational manner, but more like an angry parent trying to scare his kids into behaving (and apparently making a little too good of a job of it). Just enhances the notion that the Plutonian feels that he is responsible for the welfare of the average citizen, and that the average citizen (like a snotty teenager) is too goddamn stupid to know what's good for him. Considering how many parents have been driven to the brink of sanity by their kids, the Plutonian's troubles and his eventual reaction seems far more plausible...maybe even inevitable.
OD: I’m also really digging the efforts of the other super heroes in this universe to try and contain Plutonian’s emotional roid-rage. They are afraid, they understand the insurmountable odds they face, and I thank all that is holy there is not a “magician” among them. No talking backwards or arcane mystical symbols coming to the rescue. Magic can be done well, but in most cases it’s a lazy way out.
IMP: Yeah, the vibe I'm getting is more like an action/thriller type of story--we have the well-balanced combination of superheroes fighting as well as searching for answers to the Plutonian problem. Reminds me of some of the smarter action films of the '80s.
OD: In the final analysis, the book is well paced, well scripted and well drawn. Some artists need to take a note here: not all art needs to be exceptional and ground-breaking. More often than not these days, artists take such pride in trying to distinguishing themselves as original they create pretty splash pages that do nothing to drive the story. Mr. Krause, I commend you for being talented and, more importantly, sans ego.
IMP: Hold on there--I must respectfully disagree. Though I felt like the first issue was decent art-wise, this issue was a real let-down for me. So much of the story is about human (or in this case superhuman) drama and emotion, and I just wasn't getting it from Krause's art. I agree that his pacing and page designs are good and serve the story well, but I feel that the series could benefit by having an artist who injected a little more drama into the images. At the very least, bringing someone in to ink Krause's pencils and add a little more depth to the drawings couldn't hurt. But hey, that's just my opinion.
OD: This is what happens when I show my sensitive side. I was really trying to imply that the art was average. It wasn't so God awful that it impeded the story, or soooooo talented that I get at least 9 out of 22 pages that are splashes.
IMP: When you get right down to it, it's Mark Waid's story that's really the driving force of this series. You could probably even have (gasp!) Rob Liefeld on art duty and I'd still buy this title. That's right, everyone, IRREDEEMABLE is THAT good.
When Optimous Douche isn’t reading comics and misspelling the names of 80’s icons, he “transforms” into a corporate communications guru. "What if the whole world had superpowers? Find out in the pages of Optimous’ original book AVERAGE JOE. Read the first full issue on Optimous’ New Blog and see original sketches by fellow @$$hole Bottleimp. If you are a publisher or can help these guys get AVERAGE JOE up, up, and on the shelves in any way, drop Optimous a line."

THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #593

Writer: Mark Waid Artist: Mike McKone Publisher: Marvel Comics Reviewer: Liam ‘The Kid’

Note: ‘The Kid’ is 8 years old and has been doing reviews on his own site since August of 2008.
In the last comic Peter Parker went to his Aunt’s home to change out of his costume because he was working as Spider-Man for several days and was starting to smell and needed to shower and wash his costume but he found out that Aunt May was dating Jameson’s dad and got all grossed out. In the beginning of this comic he is in the shower all mad saying that he has to wash his brain to get that thinking out of his head. I think it’s a funny idea that the person who is like his mom is in love with the dad of the person who makes him angry all the time. But Jameson does like Peter Parker, just not Spider-Man so it isn’t all bad.
I really like the idea that Peter is staying as Spider-Man the whole day every day just to make Jameson angry. I don’t think it’s bad because when Jameson got to be mayor Spider-Man tried to make a truce with him and instead Jameson sent a SWAT team to shoot him down. Spider-Man isn’t doing anything wrong. He’s actually doing a good job because since he is Spider-Man all the time he is able to stop a lot more bad guys and help more people. It’s just funny because Spider-Man is in the news all the time and that make Jameson really angry. I also like that the people in New York are starting to stick up for Spider-Man. I don’t get why all the people would be against him since he’s always out there doing good things and saving their lives so this part was really good. One of my favorite parts was when the SWAT team used a new weapon that was able to knock Spider-Man out for a bit and they were ready to arrest him but then regular people were sticking up for him and telling the SWAT team to leave him alone. I liked that. I also like on the next page that there was a loud guy talking on his cell phone and annoying all these other people on a bus so Spider-Man webbed his mouth shut. It’s funny to see him use his powers like that and the people on the bus were really happy when he made that guy shut up.
In this issue Spider-Man finally gets to fight the new Vulture who is a little different from the other Vulture. The new one is red and he isn’t as old as the other one and he is a lot creepier. When Spider-Man takes his mask off the Vulture has a really long and pointy nose, red glowing eyes and a face like a zombie creature and it looks like he could just bite Spider-Man’s head off. I don’t think Spider-Man knew how strong this guy was because the Vulture kicked his butt. He ripped up his costume and then made him fall from the sky onto the ground after spitting acid on his face. Spider-Man says he’s blind on the last page but I don’t think he will be. I think his powers are going to help him get better and even if he was blind his spider-sense would let him know where things were.
It’s another really good Spider-Man issue with a little more fighting in this comic and it was still funny like the issue before. Spider-Man should be fighting a lot of bad guys and being funny too and this comic he was doing both. I want to see him beat the Vulture up real bad in the next issue though.
Rating: 9.5 out of 10

MISERABLE DASTARDS #1-2

Written by: Richard A. Hamilton Art by: Jeremy Dale and Rob Jones Published by: Dial “C” For Comics Reviewed by: Ryan McLelland

MISERABLE DASTARDS is brought to us by the fine people who created the superb blaxplotation comic RETURN OF THE SUPER PIMPS. Most likely you’ve never heard of that title, which means you missed out on a kick-ass comic book. Now Rich Hamilton is back with his new comic MISERABLE DASTARDS and once again is doing something new and exciting in the comic book world – a rarity.
The book describes a ‘dastard’ as a goon, cronie, or lackey who works in the background for some supervillain. Those guys who the Penguin would yell out to attack Batman before the BAMs and POWs rang out? Dastards!
Nic is the somewhat ‘leader’ of a group of Dastards who can’t seem to catch a break. They aren’t particularly good at taking out the good guys but it is a life they’ve seemed to fall into. Nic and his crew aren’t bad guys by any means – they are just looking to make money at a career like most people. They do end up having to go work for guys like Smart Alec and breaking into museums.
Typical cronie work, right?
So what does Nic decide? Maybe being a dastard isn’t the life he is cut out for. Maybe he IS smart enough to take his crew and make a name for themselves. So the guys break out to do their own dirty work…which leads into a whole new set of troubles.
MISERABLE DASTARDS is one of those rare comic books that never feels indy. Amazing artwork and story with great production values makes it feel more like a superhero comedy that would have come from DC in the late nineties (back when they were doing great work on titles like MAJOR BUMMER). The book is a fun book from page one and certainly make you root for the bad guys. Well, the quasi-bad guys. Though we root for them there is always the thought in the back of your mind that it’s going to be certain disaster for Nic and his crew. It’s a damn good comic that will keep you guessing and smiling long after you’ve put it down.

ASTRO BOY MOVIE PREQUEL: UNDERGROUND #1

Written by Scott Tipton Art by Diego Jourdan Covers by Jourdan and Ashley Wood Released by IDW Publishing Reviewer: Scott Green

ASTRO BOY is the Zeus of manga and anime. He may have been preceded by Titans in both media, but the child robot would overthrow those forbearers and lay out the governing template. Frederik L. Schodt's THE ASTRO BOY ESSAYS quotes Tezuka in saying that the early 1950's marked a "manga renaissance" ushered in by a confluence of intellectual freedom and the establishment of manga as a mass medium. With audiences looking for something fresh, like a sci-fi story informed by western animation, raised by Tezuka's brilliant storytelling, ASTRO BOY took hold. With him came Tezuka's vision for manga, including a cinematic visual approach, an expansive reach in influences and a willingness to mix heavy and light themes. A decade later, when Tezuka established Mushi Productions to create an Astro Boy anime, he similarly laid out a creative and economic model for how televised anime would be produced.
On October 23, 2009, North America will see a new incarnation of ASTRO BOY. This one is a CGI film, produced by relatively new player in the field Imagi Animation Studios (TMNT, HIGHLANDER: THE SEARCH FOR VENGEANCE). IDW's ASTRO BOY comic offers a prequel to that movie, and it appears to be written for the child who'll be in the theatre in October. Given its simplicity and the youthful perspective of its lead, if you're an adult, looking at ASTRO BOY, you'll probably need some existing curiosity about the character to get excited about this incarnation. And, for those fans of ASTRO BOY creator Osamu Tezuka's work, I recommend regarding the comic the way you might a figurine, an illustration or some other, alternative interpretation of the character outside the main canon. (If you're interested in a thoughtful, mature take on ASTRO BOY, check out Naoki Urasawa's PLUTO) The first quarter of "Underground" doesn't suggest that it is trying to rework the kind of story that Tezuka told in weekly installment of Shonen for the 32 page American comic standard . If you have a fascination with ASTRO BOY and his history, it is interesting to see the transformation effected by the change in format, the connection to the Imagi movie, and Scott Tipton and Diego Jourdan's approach to the character.
As noted in previous reviews, I'm no authority on what comics or manga are appropriate for children, but I imagine that Scott Tipton and Diego Jourdan's ASTRO BOY should easily fit into the role of an early comic for young readers. Its large, bright panels seem to offer an easy introduction to sequential art. Generally, if I'm giving a comic to a new reader, I prefer it to have generally uniform panel layouts, with minimal exotic departures. ASTRO BOY is far from rigidly formalized, with panels within panels, diagonal splits, and forms from one panel breaking into others. However, the size of the images offset the irregular layouts such that I don't think that an inexperienced comic reader will have trouble with ASTRO BOY.
There are a few potential concerns regarding how suitable the book might be for young audiences. In particular, I'm inclined to think some of the IDW house ads, such as ones featuring Megatron brandishing Optimus Prime's severed head on a pike or a TERMINATOR’s robotic skull dominating a page, are not right for that set. It's not what you'll be seeing on a trailer ahead of an ASTRO BOY movie, nor am I sure I would have liked to see a metal skull leering at me from a comic when I was a youngster.
On a more positive note, the ASTRO BOY comic follows the tradition laid out by Tezuka in which the character is constantly reacting to his experience. The humanity in the character is evident in how he heedlessly rushes into situations, but also in the wonder and excitement he expresses. As in how Tezuka established ASTRO BOY, he's a super boy and not a super man. It's endearing to note how his reactions, needs and innocence suggest those of a child, and I think this is something to which a younger reader can connect.
Beyond that core of ASTRO BOY's nature, the manga hits Imagi/IDW interpretation. Imagi ASTRO BOY director David Bowers said of the movie "It is [the origin]. I love classic super-hero origin stories. I love Richard Donner's SUPERMAN. I wanted to produce a film about ASTRO BOY that would sort of live up to the legend of ASTRO BOY and do him proud." With the primary colors of Astro's red boots and green waste band, often against blue backgrounds, the comic captures the bold exhilaration of a super boy jetting through the sky, on his way to thump a giant monster.
Color has an additional role in the comic. Presented in digital gradients, it has the look of CG animation. This puts the comic in line with the Imagi ASTRO BOY movie, but also with a prominent thread of animation running in theatres and TV. If the reader is accustomed or in favor of that look, the color style might ingratiate the comic.
Apart from the merits of Tipton and Jourdan's ASTRO BOY, an ASTRO BOY fan is bound to wonder what the comic indicates about the upcoming Imagi movie.
ASTRO BOY's origin as told by Tezuka...
In 2003, Tobio was speeding down the street in his hover car, when he lost control and crashed head long into a truck. The boy’s death launches his father into a disastrous psychological arc. In the midst of a fit of grief Dr Tenma is struck with an overwhelming impulse to create a robot in the image of Tobio. The mania stays with Tenma, who commits the resources of the Ministry of Science towards realizing his dangerous vision of an advanced robotic surrogate. The results are a robot boy whose "pleasure circuits" light up as he learns and spends time with his father/creator.
"After a while Dr. Tenma's mental condition improved, and both he and Tobio seemed very happy. But Tenma realized he had made a terrible mistake in the design of his robot son. No matter how much time passed, Tobio did not grow." In response, Tenma casts out the "freak" "doll." Tobio is stripped of his clothes and sold to a circus where he is redubbed "Astro." However, at the circus, Astro is spotted by Professor Ochanomizu, who "realized 'Astro' was not an ordinary robot." Freeing Astro and promising to be 'like a father,' Ochanomizu teaches Astro to use his special abilities like flight, acute sense, and rear mounted machine guns. And so, "The robot once known as Tobio was reborn and his new name was Astro Boy".
Now for the tea-leaf reading... Tipton and Jourdan's ASTRO BOY opens with Astro in his super hero mode, but instead of only being looked after by his adopted guardian Professor Ochanomizu (Dr. Elefun here), Tenma is overseeing Astro's heroism as well. The comic also emphasizes the father/son bond between Astro and Tenma. While Astro refers to Tenma as "dad," Tenma refers to Astro as "my boy" or "my son."
A number of departures from Tezuka's ASTRO BOY origin can be inferred from how the comic presents the relationship between Astro and Tenma. In the original, Tenma sought for Astro to replace his son, and as such, tried to raise him as a normal boy. The superheroic force for justice came under Ochanomizu/Elefun's guidance.
Tezuka's ASTRO BOY featured a number of longer narratives that might run in its weekly anthology for months. However, there was little continuity between stories, and Astro was generally unburdened by his origin or by previous adventures. In that post origin status quo, Tenma became a dark figure in the lore who fit uncomfortably into a few of Astro's exploits. Attaching a fatherly Tenma fondly looking on Astro Boy's city saving activities at least alters the time line and his idea of Astro Boy's purpose.
Speaking about Nicolas Cage's portrayal of Tenma, Doyers said "he plays Astro Boy's father and he's really funny in the role, but really serious, dark, and emotional at the same time." My speculation is that the Imagi movie's drama is going to relate to a falling out and a climactic reconciliation between Astro and Tenma. I'd bet against Tenma selling Astro to the circus, but I am foreseeing some blow-out between father and son.
I suspect that the comic prequel will be largely self contained, so it'll be a welcome surprise if it affirms or refutes this conjecture about the movie. Regardless, the ASTRO BOY comic should please young readers looking for something colorful and energetic and ASTRO BOY wonks looking for something to comb over.
Scott Green has been writing for AICN ANIME for over seven years. If you like what you see here and love anime & manga, be sure to check out his latest AICN ANIME column here.

VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS #5 Bluewater Comics

This out of the ordinary issue of VPP may be somewhat different than previous terror tales, but its consistent in the fact that it offers some of the most unique and distinct art around. This time it's the cartoonish pens and inks of Brian Hess that make this issue an artistic standout. The story, though, seemingly out of place in this series, turns quite gruesome by the end as a skunk longs to grow up and find his stink--but he's better be careful for what he wishes for. I'd never thought I'd use the term cute when it comes to a VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS comic, but that's what this one is. It was a good read too. - Bug

ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS HULK #5 Marvel Comics

I haven’t been reading this comic but I saw the pages where Wolverine was talking to a panda bear and wanted to pick it up. First of all, it’s really, really weird that Wolverine has gone crazy and is talking to a panda bear and then fighting it. I thought it was funny that the panda is just sitting in the grass eating his leaves and Wolverine is mad because the panda says it’s his spirit and Wolverine doesn’t believe it. Once the panda and Wolverine start fighting Wolverine wakes up and he’s just a head on a table. This comic looks like it could be a lot of silly fun like Deadpool and that’s what I thought of when they showed Wolverine’s talking head on a table but there isn’t a lot going on in the comic. Wolverine and the Hulk aren’t fighting at all in the comic and they should be because that is what the story is called. The She Hulk is in it for a little bit fighting the Hulk but it’s mostly about Wolverine talking to the agent Nick Fury. Wolverine does get his head put back on at the end of the story but not much else happens. The beginning with the panda was really funny and strange but the rest of the book was a lot of talking and definitely no Hulk or Wolverine fights and there should have been. - Liam ‘The Kid’

FLASH: REBIRTH #2 DC Comics

The thot plickens as clues to Barry Allen’s return are revealed in this tightly woven issue. Geoff Johns has scrunched a whole lot into this one, as has artist Ethan Van Sciver. The craft put into this issue is hard to criticize, but Johns is still going to have to work hard for this Wally West fan to be won over to accept Barry’s return. There are plenty of twists and turns (plus doozy at the end of this issue), but so far nothing has happened to make me prefer to follow this Flash over the one I grew up with who is still full of potential. Johns has wowed me before, so I’ll never say never, but he’s got his work cut out for him. But as far as issues go, this one was better than most. - Bug

KILLER OF DEMONS #3 Image Comics

For three issues this book has been packed with pretty much nothing but blood-soaked awesome. White collar schlub is actually a bad assed Demon Killing Agent of Heaven? Hells yeah. And it's all been drawn by Scott "ATOMIC ROBO" Wegener? Double hells yeah. And it's been the proverbial (and yes, pun-tastic) "Hell of a ride". While this issue put a lot more emphasis on the action than the funny bits, it still managed to handle both admirably well. There's nothing in here quite like the "Snuffelupagus" moment in issue two, but really, nothing I've seen so far this year can hold a candle to that. Overall though, there's just so many strong elements to this book that I really hope we get more of it. Our lead, David, has been great going from "Possibly Crazy Mass Murderer" to "Badass Slayer of All Things Demon" and his Angelic sidekick Uriel has been great as his coach/comedic relief. The premise has been fun, even if it's a little "Buffy-lite", and the bloodshed and side gags have been perfectly placed and executed. And, god forbid, we've had 32 pages of content for all three $3.99 issues. Imagine that. This, this is something we need to see more of. Props to all those involved in bringing this book about, it definitely brought the goods. - Humphrey Lee

NEW MUTANTS #1 Marvel Comics

After the oversaturation of the market with all things X in the nineties and the sequentially shitty quality of X-MEN movies, I kindly bid the X-books adieu a while back and never thought I would return. Well, my friends, THIS is the comic that could have me giving a care about something X again. Zeb Wells does what he does best, embraces the big ol’ Marvel U in a big low hug and squeezes until something magical happens. NEW MUTANTS is that magic. We haven’t seen much of Dani or Shan yet or Rhane, ‘lock, or Doug for that matter, but the back and forthings written in the pages of this book between Sam, Berto, Amara, and Illyana were fantastic. Amara and Illyana’s conversation in the back of the jet concerning Amara’s future was downright haunting, the bond between Berto and Sam has never been tighter, and the friendship that I formed with these young mutants all those years ago boomeranged me back to a time when comics were soooooo damn cool to me. Thank you, Zeb Wells. Thank you, Marvel. Thank you for this awesome comic! - Bug

Editing, compiling, imaging, coding, logos & cat-wrangling by Ambush Bug Proofs, co-edits & common sense provided by Sleazy G


Ad by Prof. Challenger

Remember, if you have a comic book you’d like one of the @$$holes to take a look at, click on your favorite reviewer’s link and drop us an email.

Check out the @$$oles’ ComicSpace AICN Comics page here for an archive and more @$$y goodness.

Readers Talkback

comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • May 13, 2009, 9:06 a.m. CST

    I like comics

    by mrfan

  • May 13, 2009, 9:08 a.m. CST

    DOOM is IRREDEEMABLE -- And FIRST!

    by V. von Doom

    RE Flash Rebirth: I remember Flash's father from the original series -- he made it to a ripe old age, knew his son was the Flash, and was only evil when possessed by, say, the Top. Doesn't seem to be the I-Killed-My-Wife type of guy, unless Johns has dug up some issue I've forgotten about ...

  • May 13, 2009, 9:17 a.m. CST

    For the Love of God

    by MotoXann

    Stop giving reviews to a child. Behaving like a child is one thing. Writing like an eight-year-old is annoying, fruitless, and insulting to your readers. I come to this site to get reviews and viewpoints I might not have picked up on my own. If I wanted to know what a child thought I would ask my neighbor. Please. Please stop letting him review.

  • May 13, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    My penis also looks like @

    by YeahBigJimmy

    or is it %

  • May 13, 2009, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I call Shenanigans BottleImp....

    by Psynapse

    NO ONE'S writing is good enough to make Liefeld's 'art' palatable.

  • May 13, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Hulk vs Wolverine. I think you could sue under

    by V'Shael

    False Advertising. Where's Lionel Hutz when you need him?

  • May 13, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    MARVEL'S MUTANT TITLES

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    Marvel has been and is still suffering from a near-terminal case of overkill. Take the mutant titles for example. They should cancel EVERY X-title except for one X-MEN and one WOLVERINE monthly. And Wolverine SHOULD NOT be a member of the AVENGERS or any other team EXCEPT for the X-Men.

  • May 13, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    i'm with psy most def...

    by blackthought

    i'm not even sure shakespeare pull out that sort of magic and make liefeld art not distasteful and harmful to human eyes.

  • May 13, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Liam: Wolverine vs. Hulk

    by steverodgers

    That review was solid gold.

  • May 13, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Kid

    by the_knightfall

    I actually hate the reviews if the little bastard!

  • May 13, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Kid

    by JadedOne

    "In the last comic Peter Parker went to his Aunt’s home to change out of his costume because he was working as Spider-Man for several days and was starting to smell and needed to shower and wash his costume but he found out that Aunt May was dating Jameson’s dad and got all grossed out." Because he is a kid, run-on sentences are ok now? Is the editor only eight too?

  • May 13, 2009, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Anyone read any comics this week?

    by Ambush Bug

    Or do you just want to cry about the Kid's reviews. The Kid isn't going anywhere. We love his reviews and those of you who don't take life too seriously do to. If you don't like it, scroll the fuck down. And JadedOne, sure we could edit the reviews, but then it wouldn't be a review straight from the mouth of a kid. We'll correct spelling, but part of the charm of the reivews is the fact that you can almost hear the kid reciting this and if you look deep into your jaded black souls, you may remember when you liked comics as much as he did. But again, you guys can fill this TB with hate for the Kid. It won't matter. The kid stays in the picture...

  • May 13, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Best @ yet

    by I am the most horrible

    The @ on Dr M is understated and inspired. Nice.

  • May 13, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Amen Bug

    by I am the most horrible

    The kid stays.

  • May 13, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    The Kid

    by gavdiggity

    Writes better than most of the aggressively stupid assholes who visit this site. And his reviews remind me about the reason I fell in love with comics in the first place. <P> here's a thought... don;'t like his reviews? Don't fucking read 'em, you whiny dicks.

  • May 13, 2009, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Liam The Kid

    by Pogue__Mahone

    Kudos, Bug! I love his reviews. I started reading comics when I was his age and there's a certain sweet charm in reading his excitement about the books I'm reading now. It's nice to see a review at it's simplest... based on if the reviewer liked the story and art. We should be encouraging this awesome kid to read and right not trying to tear him down. If you're not a fan, I can appreciate that... that's why Bill Gates invented the scroll bar. Keep it up, Kid!!!

  • May 13, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Fuck the kid haters

    by batmarv

    Seriously, just shut up or fuck off already. I like the look of New Mutants, was a massive fan back in the day..i know Darkchild returned in X Infernus, but aint half of the others brown bread too?

  • May 13, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I love my jaded black soul...

    by Joenathan

    but I don't mind the kid... of course, I don't read his reviews either, but I don't see any reason to insult those of us possessing black, black souls, just because we're filled with hate and vileness and gunk, because thats discrimitory.<br><br>Also, next week, I'd appreciate it if you all would review comics that I read. Thanks.

  • May 13, 2009, 12:04 p.m. CST

    *crickets chirp*

    by Psynapse

    ...........

  • May 13, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Better than scrolling down

    by XAOS

    I'll just restrict my reading to the coaxial section of the site; given the winding down of the TV season, guess that means I'll see AICN in the fall

  • May 13, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Wow...

    by Mr.FTW

    It's a really slow dayon the comic talkback, that's kind of shocking. <p> Anyone have thoughts on Aquaman and Firestorm being Black Lanterns? <p> XAOS - If you only come here for the complete biased hackery of coax, man, that's a sad state of affairs.

  • May 13, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Black Lanterns...

    by Psynapse

    "The Blackest Night Falls From The Skies, The Darkness Grows As All Light Dies, We Crave Your Hearts And Your Demise, By My Black Hand, The Dead Shall Rise!"

  • May 13, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Do you guys not realize how awesome it is

    by God's Brother

    to have an 8 yr old's perspective on modern mainstream comics? Especially since most of them are shit? I've given up on superhero books completely, but hearing that a kid still digs 'em makes me happy. After all, the spinner rack at the store said, "Hey, Kids! COMICS!" Not, "Hey, manchild! Adolescent power-fantasies for you to cling to long into your 30s and 40s!"

  • May 13, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I love The Kid's reviews!

    by fiester

    They're good. Why hate on him? He tell you what happens and gives you his take on it. I find his reviews very refreshing.

  • May 13, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    What I like about the kid

    by Continentalop

    Is that he is a reminder that we are guys in our 30's and 40's still reading and arguing about what is and always should be a children's medium -guys in f'ing costumes with powers and funky names. <p>

  • May 13, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    The Kid

    by RobotDevil007

    Way to go Bug... tell em what they want instead of giving em what they want. Watch your column degenerate into a non-stop argument over a completely unremarkable 8-year-old's pointless and redundant blathering about he likes absolutely everything he ever sees. Pretend like there's some kind of "perspective" inherent in hearing some kid say "i like (x)" over and over and over again. You come off like some self-centered parent who can't understand why everyone doesn't think your kid is a genius based on the paint smearings he did that you've hung on your refrigerator. It's patronizing to push this crap on people. It's like being at an elementary school talent show where they expect you to jump up and applaud mediocrity so the children won't feel bad. If you love the Kid's reviews so much.... read them yourself, at home in the privacy of your bedroom... don't usurp AICN to push them on the world. Look what it's done... even you have pointed out that since you've added this kid to your roster he's been little but a distraction from the business of reviewing and discussing comics. Just be a man, and admit it was a mistake and that while you wish it had worked, it didn't and get rid of him and the distraction he creates. The bottom line is: Is he a net positive or net negative for the column and the discussions? Unless all you care about is hits on your page, regardless of what they're about...I think it's pretty obvious at this point.

  • May 13, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    The Kid

    by McSatan

    I love The Kid's reviews, all the way to the bottom of my jaded black soul. He is definitely "a net positive." Give 'em hell, Liam!

  • May 13, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Ummm...

    by God's Brother

    I don't see Bug's COLUMN degenerating into anything... if you're worried about the talkbacks degenerating into a non-stop argument, then maybe you should avoid contributing to that argument with your post.

  • May 13, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Robotdevil007...

    by Psynapse

    You can't 'usurp' something you helped create and still run. How about you learn a word's actual meaning before you try to club somebody with it. Oh wait, that would belie the 'pretentious intelligentsia' image you're working so hard to maintain.

  • May 13, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    and And the reason there's no debate about comics this week

    by God's Brother

    is that this week's comics are shit. Discuss...

  • May 13, 2009, 1:20 p.m. CST

    RobotDevil

    by gavdiggity

    Are you attending a lot of elementary school talent shows? 'Cause the authorities should probably be made aware of that.<P> Nobody's pushing anything on you. You can scroll right past it... just like I'm gonna scroll right past the rest of your posts.

  • May 13, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Wrong, God's Bro

    by TedKordLives

    Cuz 'Secret Six' came out this week, and it's one of the best comics going. I mean, I've boycotted DC since Blue Beetle went down (except for Ostrander's Suicide Squad-a touch of the old magic), but I'll cheat for Simone's SS. If you aren't reading it, pick up the trade, it is fucking insane and hilarious and brutal. And Bane is awesome.

  • May 13, 2009, 1:27 p.m. CST

    I loved all the secret six stuff that came out of

    by God's Brother

    all the infinte crisis nonsense, so I might take your advice. Simone's a great writer...

  • May 13, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Secret Six

    by Psynapse

    is one of DC's very best books currently, IMHO.

  • May 13, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    I used to be The Kid

    by Kessler

    Then I grew up and the world made me jaded, vulgar and cynical. I wish I could be The Kid again.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Ambush Bug re: the Kid

    by Mordock57

    I have to admit... I've wanted to complain about the Kid's reviews for a few weeks now. At first, it was cute. "Aww, cool, they gave an 8 year old an article." Ambush Bug... not all of us read the more obscure stuff. Some of us are simply mainstream DC or Marvel readers, always have been. When the only books I care to read the reviews about happen to be done by an 8 year old week after week after week... I'm forced to question whether or not this column is worth reading anymore. I've LOVED you guys for several years. I want to hear YOUR opinion! I want to hear the opinion of someone who can actually discuss the SUBTEXT of an issue! Have all the @$$holes gone on vacation or something? I'm not knocking the Kid's skills as a writer... for 8 years old, he's pretty damned good. However... many of us here simply don't care for an 8 year old's opinion on our favorite books. We read this column because the @$$holes have always provided some damned insightful commentary into our favorite medium... and for the past few weeks, I feel utterly robbed of that. Just food for thought. I'm not hating on the Kid... but it IS adversely affecting your overall readership, which is pretty clear from the comments. I'm an intelligent adult who grew up with and reads comics... I want to read the opinion of another adult who can intelligently speak to the book. The novelty has definitely worn off.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I was going to liken his meltdown to Clark Kent finding Lois Lan

    by DatoMan413

    That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Funniest thing I've read today v1.1

    by DatoMan413

    "I was going to liken his meltdown to Clark Kent finding Lois Lane being cocksealed airtight by Perry White, Jimmy Olsen and Pa Kent, whilst in a corner Lex Luthor films the whole thing to sell it on iTunes...and Krypto licks peanut butter off his junk." Thanks, Optimous.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    The Kid's Reviews are fine, However...

    by BojanglesVonStepinfetchit

    Mordock57 has a point too. The @ssholes' opinions on mainstream stuff are why I came here in the first place, and I'd like to see their views alongside Liam's reviews. And to The Kid's haters? Almost every thing he reviews is...and you might not believe this...ACTUALLY INTENDED FOR HIS DEMOGRAPHIC. Yes, most super hero comics are meant to sell to pre-adolescent kids (even though they don't...). The fact that they're full of violence and gratuitous boobies is a topic for another post, but yeah; It all comes down to the fact that you are most likely an emotionally-arrested basement-dwelling type of folk that writhe in agony when exposed the clear light of day, and your negative reaction to his review is because you can't let yourself be content with the fact that you're still reading stuff for people aged 14 and under. But fear not! Star Trek is a big hit, Heroes was popular (back when it still kinda deserved it's success), and geeky stuff becomes a little more mainstream each day. But that doesn't excuse blatant douche-baggery towards an 8-year old. In conclusion, @ssholes, please review a little more mainstream stuff, and Kid haters? Kindly eat a dick. Your own, if applicable.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:30 p.m. CST

    You know what just occurred to me?

    by DatoMan413

    Do you think the Kid reads this page? If so, the little bugger's vo-cab around the house is gonna pick up some colorful additions.<br><br>Oh, and give the kid a break. Don't like his article? DON'T READ IT, SHADDUP AND MOVE ON.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Ult. Hulk/Wolverine is hilarious

    by rev_skarekroe

    It really does make up for the fact that Hulk and Wolverine never actually fight, but an 8 year old isn't going to get it. Probably also adults who find, say, Peter David comics funny.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The Kid

    by hollandjwm2009

    Dudes, can we stop printing "reviews" by this 8 year old child? He doesn't say anything interesting, it's juvenile, and all he does is tell everything that happens in the book. That's not a review: that's a plot rundown.

  • May 13, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Why not add a reviewer called "The Golden Age Old Fart"

    by cookylamoo

    Just to balance the reviews of the kid?

  • May 13, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I think we should keep the kid

    by Joenathan

    Just don't read his shit, more so, though, stop with the comics are for kids thing. what the fuck is wrong with you? Ass head. Everyone knows already and no one gives a shit. shut up. Plus, keep the kid. The drama is awesome.

  • May 13, 2009, 3:53 p.m. CST

    The Kid don't bother me

    by kungfuhustler84

    That's what scroll buttons are for.

  • May 13, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Sweet Christmas...

    by Mr.FTW

    For all of those who want to have meaningful adult insight on comics of any genre why don't you engage in that discusion here in the talkback? That is what it is actually here for.<p> I don't read the Kid's reviews but it doesn't bother that they are on here, like so many have said, I can just scroll down. If the @ssholes didn't always review the books I wish they did before the arrival of the Kid and you know what, it wasn't a big deal. <p> I could and can always pop down to the talkback and get in a discusion with someone like Continental_Op about whether Grannt Morrison sucks or read the insights of Joenathan about giant green boxing gloves.<p> If the reviews aren't what you wantt hem to be or you don't want to read the Kid's reviews why freak out? Why not just jump in the talkback and start a discussion thread instead of crying about something so trivial?

  • May 13, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I love The Kid's reviews

    by the maven

    Of course, that's assuming that The Kid is really a kid and not some sort of meta-joke-kinda thing someone's trying to pull. Taking that into account, however, I love me some Vertigo and pseudo-serious (and even some just plain old serious comics), but sometimes you just have to go back and look at the sheer mindless joy of reading about what a thrill it is to see Spider-Man and the Vulture kicking each others butts in the sky over New York. That's the kind of stuff that got me - and you, admit it - into comics in the first place. Let him enjoy it like we did. Oh, and please notice that I did not resort to snarking that he puts words together better than about 85 percent of all the Talkbackers at AICN as a whole. Because I could have, you know. I really, really could have.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:14 p.m. CST

    The Kid = The WNBA

    by Nezzer6364

    The Kid might be the best 8 year old reviewer in the world, but it still boils down to he's a kid. Anytime a child describes something it's long winded and rambles all over the place. If I wanted to hear a kid describe something I'd get a job driving an ice cream truck. I already skip past his reviews, but it's getting to the point of why even bother coming to this column. I don't have a problem with him doing reviews, I just wish there were alternative reviews to read for some comics. With movies there are critics I avoid reading, because I don't like their writing style or their reviews lack insight into the movie.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Worst. Talkback. Ever.

    by Homer Sexual

    The Kid is ruining the talkback, because apparently anyone who doesn't like him is a dick who should just fuck off. <p> I accept the fact that he is here to stay, but really this whole talkback is about him, and he also now does two comics pretty much every week. <p> And this Obama-syndrome does bother me. Like, if you say anything less than worshipful of Obama, you are a right wing p.o.s. Same thing here, if anyone mentions that they don't like Liam's reviews, a bunch of others jump on and attack that poster. <p> When someone doesn't like Ambush Bug, no one freaks out about it. I never like Prof. Challenger's, but I don't get attacked for it.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Run, War of Kings, New Mutants, Runaways

    by Homer Sexual

    Did anyone read "Run" featuring the Human Flame from FC? I thought it was interesting in that it successfully makes a low-level villain three dimensional without aggrandizing or diminishing his badness or lameness. But it is hard to really care about such an unlikable character. Nonetheless, I think I know people like him and found this worth at least another issue. War of Kings and New Mutants are definite treats for us old timers, as well as being pretty accessible for younger readers. New Mutants was a total blast, no new characters but still fresh and updated. And I looove Illyana, she's such a great character. Let's hope this series continues at this level for some time. War of Kings also deserves the accolades it's gotten. The end wasn't a twist, but it was a great moment when Gladiator finally made a move. I think War of Kings is "retro" because of it's characters and cosmic scope, but it's got modern characterization and sophistication. See, it is possible to have a comic with both story and characterization....it just doesn't seem to happen all that often. <p> Finally, I am not sure if Runaways came out last week or not, but I just read it a few days ago and was actually quite satisfied with the way this story tied up. I felt like Moore is finally getting a feel for the characters. Yes, it is more lighthearted than before, but that is cool...they deserve a little less sturm and drung for a while and it makes a nice contrast to the uber-serious tone in general at the moment. I know the current direction will never find favor with a lot of fans, but as someone who's read Runaways since the first rave review here at AICN, I think the series is back on solid ground. <p> ps to JoeNathan: I think you recommended the crime novel "The Chill" which I recently read while getting a tattoo. It was as awesome as you said, again mixing plot with characterization in a very economic style. Almost made me forget the pain. Now I have some nice ink and read a book that was actually highly enjoyable and memorable. Almost finished with "Lawless" from Brubaker, and it is also getting really good.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    "It seems so empty......without me!!"

    by gooseud

    Man I gotta work one day and the talkback goes to shit!! LOL I kid, I kid...anyway: 1. I thought for the 2nd week in a row the Kid actually had a pretty good review. "Why is this book called Hulk vs. Wolverine when they dont actually fight?" is actually a very valid question. 2. War of Kings is the dope shit. If you arent reading any and all books related to it, you suck. 3. I dont follow DC, so this is a sincere question: whatever happened to Firestorm? Is he still around? Wasnt he black for a while? Whats his deal? 4. Since this talkback is dying on the vine, allow me to change the subject, and heres a challenge to my fellow talkbackers and the A$$holes: summarize the happenings of the huge "Inferno" X men crossover without looking it up on Wiki. Can anyone do it without cheating, just from memory? I bet $5.00 no one on here can do it.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Cannonball sucks

    by gooseud

    His powers fuckin blow. Seriously, where do you go from there? You can fly and crash into things at 200 MPH? But your a good guy so therefore dont kill anyone? Its like watching Longshot's writers try desperately to find ways to let him use his knives without actually killing or seriously injuring anyone.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Geez...

    by Mr.FTW

    The Kid isn't ruining anything, it's only the peoplewasting energy talking about him (like I'm doing right now unfortunately) that is ruining it. <p> Like I said in my other post why not just start a discussion thread? <p> I for one like capes so that's what I'l talk about. <p> Has anyone been on the DC web site and seen any of the upcoming previews for BFtC? It looks as if Barbara might be regaining her legs and swingingover the streets of Gotham again. I'd love to see a Dick Grayson BAtman teamed up with a Barbara Gordon Batgirl, anyone else.<p> Also, there will be a new Nightwing title in September, with it being rather obvious Dick will be Bats and Tim will be Red Robin, any predictions for what that title will be?<p> Over in Superman with the New Krypton story line there was a new Kandorian Nightwing and Flamebird, the Nightwing have Kryptonian powers and tactile telekenisis, anyone thing Geoff Johns has found a way to bring back Conner Kent Superboy?<p> Now no one has an excuse no to discuss comics and cry about the Kid, if they do they're just wasting their own time. Like I said if you want to talk comics hereis your oppertunity.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:33 p.m. CST

    gooseud

    by Continentalop

    Actually I could take you up on that challenge about Inferno. <p> Not that I am proud of that fact (why the hell did I buy those @%$!ing X-Men comics back then?!!)

  • May 13, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    JoeNathan

    by BojanglesVonStepinfetchit

    Joe, was that STFU for me? 'cause I said MOST of what he actually reviews is for people around his age. I didn't mean comics are for kids in general.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Oh, and has anyone read the latest isssue of The Boys?

    by BojanglesVonStepinfetchit

    I just moved to LA, and I have yet to find a comic shop near me...

  • May 13, 2009, 4:38 p.m. CST

    gooseud re: Firestorm

    by Mr.FTW

    Yah, the current Firestorm is a weird thing. It's was the old Firestorm's enery/conciousness somehow attached to a kid whou yes happened to be black. I haven't really kept up with the new version but appearently he died, hopefully someone can jump on and explain what happened. But in up coming DC solicitations Firestorm is shown being resurected by the Black Hand as a Black Lantern.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Some pointers for the Kid

    by roboknob

    1) I really hope he DOESN'T read the talk back. 2) His reviews are OK, but some of the criticism is dead on, and as an 8 YEAR OLD he NEEDS to learn how to take criticism and adapt. The dead on criticism is that he doesn't review them he just describes them. His father can help him in this by challenging the kid's viewpoint so that the kid can explain to us (and himself) why he thinks what he does. 3) The worst part of his review is simply the scoring system. As a KID he will almost always rate everything above 8, making any scoring system irrelevant. AMBUSH BUG: Please talk to the kid about these things (the talk back criticism as a whole, not just my stuff). Please do not do the Kid a disservice by coddling him and keeping him down.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    You don't like Prof. Challenger.

    by Joenathan

    You are piece of crap, homer!<br><br>Hey, did you read Planetary yet?

  • May 13, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Firestorm

    by gooseud

    Yeah, but wasnt Firestorm in Villains United, in that awesome moment where they bust him out? Did he die since then? How could that not have been a major deal where everyone knows? WTF is going on over at DC, anyway? I swear their editorial staff has been on a 5 year PCP binge.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST

    How bad does something have to be.....

    by gooseud

    to get a 1.5 from the KID? I mean that would have to be legendary in its shittiness. I'm trying to think.....The Kid: "I just read the trade paperback of Larry Stroman's run on X factor......That sucked balls!! 1.5 out of 10"

  • May 13, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ContinentalOP: Inferno

    by gooseud

    Do it. I dare you. Dont cheat either, no reference to the books, type it out right now without mulling it over too much. 5 bucks says you cant. For some reason, I just thought about that storyline earlier today and was like....."Wow, I remember nothing about that, like NOTHING. Zero. Nada. Jean Grey in some kind of reverse bikini thing, thats it.And no one ever references it in any X men comic ever, like as a part of history. Did that ever happen? Did I imagine it? Did it get sent to Comics Limbo with the Mojoverse?"

  • May 13, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Bojangles

    by Joenathan

    It was a general STFU. Also, check out Golden Apple on Melrose. Also, also, stop reading the Boys as it is shit.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Golden Apple, Joenathan? Will do...

    by BojanglesVonStepinfetchit

    And I like the Boys, but not because I think it's, you know, good or anything like that. Sometimes I just likes me some titties and 'splosions.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Goose

    by Joenathan

    Illyana had a demon buddy who tricked her and Madelyne Pryor into unleashing hell on New York. A mail box ate some guy and the original X-factor found out the Uncanny X-men weren't dead, as previously believed from Fall of the Mutants. Also, Alex admitted he loved Madelyne Pryor who was an evil Jean Grey clone (shocker!) Also, the Avengers were all napping and the Fantastic Four was out of town. Then... Madelyne Grey died and Longshot found a use for his knives because they were iron and demons hate iron. Also, the longer the x-men were there, the more evil they became and the less clothes the chicks wore. The End.

  • May 13, 2009, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I don't know if people saw this on Monday, but

    by Joenathan

    the latest issue of New Avengers: Reunion had a West coast vengers BBQ with Hawkeye in apron and the silver and red Iron man holding a beer. It was like coming home again and having a clint-burger.

  • May 13, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Also,

    by Joenathan

    I didn't recommend "The Chill" but a quick Amazon check makes it seem interesting, so I'll take a look.

  • May 13, 2009, 5:01 p.m. CST

    3 Cheers for The Kid

    by Animation

    I keep liking his reviews. Keep em coming!

  • May 13, 2009, 5:02 p.m. CST

    wow, Joe

    by gooseud

    that sounds like it fuckin sucks. Why did I read X man back then again?

  • May 13, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Joenathan

    by Continentalop

    You forgot to mention that the Empire State Building kept getting bigger and transforming, that an elevator ate a bunch of scientist but they came back as a kind of Mutant Busters, and that after Daredevil had his butt kicked by Typhoid Mary, he fought a demon possessed vacuum cleaner.

  • May 13, 2009, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Liam The Kid is the new reason to keep coming back

    by DOGSOUP

    His reviews are unsoiled. Haters of The Kid never ever ever ever ever ever ever get laid..............ever.

  • May 13, 2009, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Liam

    by Snookeroo

  • May 13, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Liam

    by Snookeroo

    I agree with your assessment of Amazing Spider-Man #593. This series is a wonderful throwback to the glory days of Spider-Man; great dialogue, creative use of Spidey's powers, coupled with some nice, solid artwork. Beautiful cover, btw.<br><br>The new Vulture is an intersting twist, and the cliffhanger at the end certainly has me cued up to buy next month's issue. Frankly, it's all I want from a comic these days -- no universe-ending multi-layered hodge-podge Epic involving every character in the Marvel Universe. Just Spider-Man doing what Spider-Man does.

  • May 13, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    IRREDEEMABLE is MIRACLE MAN

    by Prof_Ender

    Right down to the blonde hair and psychotic "deconstructionism of an American icon."

  • May 13, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Oh, and The Kid is Swanky

    by Prof_Ender

  • May 13, 2009, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Planetary, Firestorm, Connor Kent, Inferno

    by Homer Sexual

    Joe, I read my brother's Planetary issues, but it just didn't really do anything for me. It was fine. Kind of like Astonishing X-Men. It wasn't bad, I can see how it's "good," but it didn't work for me. <p> Sorry for the mistake. Some time ago there was a whole thing about the tough crime genre, and people here recommended The Last Good Kiss and The Chill, so I bought both. <p> Firestorm was in Villains United? Dang, I have no memory of that. Also had no idea he was dead. I read some comic pretty recently with him in it, and yes he's a black kid merged with a girl. <p> Connor Kent is indeed back. I believe Legion of Three Worlds brought him back. <p> OK, I liked Inferno. I pre-ordered it from Amazon weeks ago. Now I'm of course a lot older, so we'll see. But I remember liking almost the whole story, except that I felt sorry for the Madelyne Pryor/Goblin Queen character. I liked Bret Blevins' art. I liked Darkchylde. I liked the demons in New York. I would go so far as to say it was the last somewhat coherent X-event for years after that. I believe the endless, pointless X-Cutioners Song is what made me drop X-books back in the day. Remember Stryfe? Who was he? How was his storyline ever resolved? And Mr. Sinister? Just a bunch of endless unresolved storylines finally abandoned, IIRC, when the X-Saving "Age of Apocalypse" occured.

  • May 13, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I like the kid

    by Series 7

    I review comics from time to time, and I reviewed a Deadpool comic and I think it was the first week they had the kid and I didn't realize it and I read his review of Deadpool. I was like, man this review is so much better then mine. Probably because he doesn't try to sound smart and have witty jokes he's just, I liked this I didn't like this. Straight forward.

  • May 13, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Will the kid

    by Series 7

    Get a Black Box for posting? Hopefully he doesn't read the Talkbacks or he is going to turn into a black hearted son of a bitch like the rest of us way to soon.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Well Uh with Stryfe and all that

    by Rufferto

    There are answers to your questions but there were and still are so many X titles you wouldn't know where to look to find them. Anyway, STRYFE ok --- He was a 2 (just barely) dimensional character who was out for revenge for being treated so poorly (I guess because he was a disposable clone made in the future in case Cable died of the Tech virus?) Yet honestly he was always an evil prick and was spoiled by Apocalypse until Stryfe became old enough to be used as a vessel for Apocalypse. (oye) He "died" at the end of ex-song but then came back in the late 90's in X-man and Cable books. Around 2001 after the legacy virus was cured in Dream's End, he shortly made his last appearance (that I've read). This had him make a completely unbelievable and unreasonable out of character conversion. This was written by Scott Lobdell, the same guy who wrote him as a murderous spoiled brat. He then sacrificed himself (to make penance?) and died (again). And now I've gone blind. Why did I write all that?!

  • May 13, 2009, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Madelyne Pryor

    by Rufferto

    You know they even brought her back in X-man. Then Warren Ellis took over the book and did some reeally bizarre shit that brought about the end of that book and Nate Grey who was repetitive anyway-- and I don't know. Pryor probably died again in that too I think... Maybe. I couldn't explain it to you and I doubt anyone working at Marvel can either. I would be surprised if they know waht story I'm referring to.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    So to reiterate

    by Rufferto

    Yeah those stories did get resolved. Just sometimes they were stretched so long and it's hard to keep up. For Stryfe it was pretty clear cut. Everything was explained in early issues of Cable called Father's and Sons and the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix (both volumes) is another important book for Stryfe and Sinister's origins.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Kid's review of Wolverine vs. Hulk

    by OGoncho

    Nailed it. Good job, dude.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Convoluted is a would be the word

    by Rufferto

    I was thinking of because you can't explain any of this without writing a paragraph, or in a comic, filling up two pages with text.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:32 p.m. CST

    GREASE is a would be the word

    by I am the most horrible

  • May 13, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    pardon my inability to edit my posts

    by Rufferto

    I tend to make a lot of mistakes.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:38 p.m. CST

    People don't show up ever week saying we should fire Humphrey.

    by SleazyG.

    Or Bottle Imp, or Professor Challenger, or anybody else. But y'know what? The SECOND anybody did we'd be all over 'em like white on rice. Look, folks--it's our column, and it's a big cast. Not everybody is gonna like everybody. You don't like somebody? SKIP THEIR REVIEW, but don't go thinkin' we're gonna kick somebody to the curb cuz you cry like a little girl. Same rule applies for The Kid as the rest of the reviewers, so stop acting like a bunch of whiny asshole bullies. You're picking on an 8 YEAR OLD KID, you pieces a' shit. If him being here is enoug to make you skip the column every week? GOOD RIDDANCE. Don't let the door hitcha.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:41 p.m. CST

    I don't ever wanna see Barbara Gordon out of her wheelchair.

    by SleazyG.

    Ever. She needs to stay there as much as Matt Murdock needs to stay blind. She's become a powerful, vital, crucial DCU character and serves as an inspiration. To somehow restore her ability to walk would be to rob her of what makes her unique and compelling, not to mention eliminating a figure who serves as a role model.

  • May 13, 2009, 6:51 p.m. CST

    New Mutants

    by optimous_douche

    Not loving it yet. Felt like a lot of fucking posing and everyone acting a little too cutesy for their age.

  • May 13, 2009, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Sleazy

    by Continentalop

    Agree about Barbara. I hate when they cure a character’s handicap or disability. One of the worst mistakes ever in the 80s with Marvel was when they got Prof. X out of the chair. You knew it wasn't going to be permanent but it still was a huge f'ing mistake. <p> Why? Because in the real world people get crippled and don't get cured. And I know that it is a comic book and it isn't supposed to be realistic, but still it is so damn condescending when this type of stuff happens, like a character gets cured of an actual disease or handicap. The only message I ever got out of those types of stories is that if you happen to be in a wheel chair or blind or deaf, than you are nothing and can’t have a fulfilling life. Nice message to send to some kid in a wheel chair. <p> Plus, I also like to see the possible consequences of being a non-powered superhero. For everyone who wants to run off to war and be John Wayne or Audie Murphy, they should also take a look at Pat Tilman and Ron Kovic. In the superhero world, the examples would be for every Batman or Daredevil, there is a Barbara Gordon or a Jason Todd (well, until they brought him back). <p> With great power comes great responsibility. Well, the other phrase should be with great heroism sometimes comes great sacrifice. Barbara Gordon represents that potential sacrifice. <p> Just my two cents.

  • May 13, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    IS Barbara out of the chair?

    by gooseud

    Oye Vey. Your kidding me. DC, man, they just cant help themselves. LEave it alone, for chrissakes. I know I'm pretty much alone on this board in this opinion, but I LOVED Killing Joke, and that classic story is now completely devalued.

  • May 13, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Cont said it best

    by gooseud

    Good job dude, thats what I was trying to say only more eloquent. Also, she didnt get crippled in some random story, it was a defining moment in one of THE definitive Batman stories ever written (in the opinion of many). Why get her out of the chair? to what end? Are there stories begging to be told that cant be without her walking around?

  • May 13, 2009, 7:17 p.m. CST

    LONG LIVE THE KID!

    by kirttrik

    Awesome! I personally think that, especially for superhero books, The KIDS view is probably more important than the Bug's. Not saying anything about the Bug, it's just the whole comic books aren't for kids anymore is both true and a perverse lie. Yes, comic books don't have to be only aimed at a kids market, but I do think SuperHero comics probably do. True, in the dark ages some great anti-"super"hero stuff came out, but that doesn't mean that that formula needs to be the norm in tight fantasies. I think one of the most annoying things in modern Super books is the straddling of adult and adolescent narratives. Their trying to be shocking, yet also BAM POW kid's stuff. It doesn't work. Comic's aren't only for kids anymore, But some of them definitely should be, and when done right it can be devilishly entertaining. Look at BONE, one of the best GN's done, I'd compare it too DKR or Watchmen anytime, and it's family fair. Superhero books can, and have in the past, captured that feeling. A good example, just off the top of my head, is the work Darwyn Cooke has done with Batman, The Spirit, and his personal best "The New Frontier". Great stuff.

  • May 13, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    IRREDEEMABLE is NOT MIRACLEMAN, Prof_Ender...

    by bottleimp

    In fact, the only similarities ARE the blond hair and superhero deconstruction. Totally different comic book archetypes, situations, universes, etc. etc...

  • May 13, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Planetary

    by gooseud

    I wanted to like it, but.......I feel like it is 60% of one of the better stories written over the past decade. However, I just feel like it was too choppy for my tastes. Any individual issue was great, but as a whole cohesive story, it was a clusterfuck.

  • May 13, 2009, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Bottleimp

    by Prof_Ender

    Your opinion...is accepted and respected. Perhaps I spoke out of line. For the record, I enjoy both works. ^_^

  • May 13, 2009, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Gooseud

    by Continentalop

    Thanks goose, but I realized something. I was wrong. Here crippling wasn’t heroic or a sacrifice, it was a tragedy. She wasn’t crippled because of something she did (like jumping in front of the Joker’s bullet) or who she is (like Joker finding out she was Batgirl); no she got shot and crippled just because she was Gordon’s daughter and he is friends with Batman. That is it. Otherwise the Joker wouldn’t have given a shit about her. That is like a soldier coming back from Iraq and then getting crippled in a bombing here in the the states just because he lives in the US. Nothing heroic, just a plain old fashion victim targeted because he is a civilian, not a soldier (he doesn’t even get a Purple Heart). Same thing with Barbara. <p> And I personally love that. It is complex, like Bucky’s death where the plane’s bomb was set to explode to early but Bucky still clung on to defuse it. Now his death (at the time) was pointless and wasted, like many young soldier’s were at the end of WWII. He (probably unintentionally) became a metaphor for the lost lives of the Greatest Generation, and a symbol of Cap’s personal failure during the war. <p> Same with Barbara. She shows Batman what the Joker is capable of, but also serves as a symbol for those people whose lives are destroyed by crime (or by accident) that they can recover and still be productive. She is a symbol of the human spirit, and brings pathos to Batman’s universe. <p> Now, IF they do make her walk again (and I really haven’t heard about this yet), it better be as good as story-line as Brubaker’s Winter Soldier, because otherwise it will be just a cheap stunt.

  • May 13, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    One more Barbara thing

    by Continentalop

    As Batgirl, she is just a cute girl in a Batman costume. A gimmick and a novelty, and a fetish to bring up to your girlfriends. <p> As Barbara Gordon in the wheel chair, she is an actual character, and a unique personality in the comic book world.

  • May 13, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I have to disagree

    by Mr.FTW

    Maybe I'm just the vocal minority but I can't wait for DC to get Barbara out of the chair. The Killing Joke came out 21 years ago... 21 years! People talk about growing and evolving and 3D characters well taking Barbara out of the chair would help bring her back from being a one trick pony. Being disabled may have brought depth to her at one time but Barbara has just been the girl in the chair for a long time and that has how DC PR has played her. "Hey, look, we have a handicap hero, aren't we sensitive and diverse?" it's the same thing as the lesbian Batwoman just not quite as in your face fortunately.<p> I understand the change and charater deoth that tragety can bring but sometimes I want to see my heroes overcome adversity and over come the odds. When you hold Barbara Gordon up as the poster child for the handicap you place her into a 1 dimensional cell because that is all she can be, the girl in the chair who doesn't give up.<p> Also, people talk about reality, well look at the reality of the world she lives in. She lives in a world with Waynetech, Luthorcorp, Queen Industries, Kryptonian and Martian technology not to mention everyone's favorite, magic and you're telling me there isn't a solution to get her out of the chair and that she wouldn't have found it already? It's absurd. If you want realism, that's real. Anyone of us who was in that situation wouldn't want to be in and would do anything to change it. There isn't one person in this world who wouldn't take hte oppertrunity to walk if they could and say "Nope, not for me, I'm a symbol" <p> One of the greatest moments after Infinate Crisis, when Robin was working like crazy to bring back/make a new Superboy was when the Titans got into a Luthor lab and while going through things Speedy asked the question if there might be a cure for her there pointing out the ridiculousness of her having AIDS and continuing to have in the fantastical world they live in.<p> To toss out JoeNathan's favorite cliche about DC being trapped in amber that is all keeping Barbara in the chair is doing. Being in the chair shouldn't define who and what the character of Barbara Gordon should be.<p> The sily argument about Batgirl being a fetish persona is ridiculous too, that could be a blanket statement about any female character in comic books period and and is in actuality far more chauvinistic than the point that is trying to be made.<p> For anyone who is wondering there is a 3 part arc about Oracle/Barbara Gordon that is a BftC tie in in which it looks like Barbara will regain the use of her legs. There is a new Batgirl title coming out in DC's solicitations and DC has said that it won't be Cassandra Cain. In DC blog they said they didn't want to SPOIL the surprise so there is a possibility that it could be Stephanie Brown but much like all things point to Dick Grason becoming Batman it looks like Barbara will once again be Batgirl but who knows.

  • May 13, 2009, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Why do you need more Bat "women"?

    by Rufferto

    Keep her in the chair. Joker's greatest jokes are being erased for stories that have no direction or forethought. And it won't be a great thing to get her out of the chair. This is like saying they want Grayson to be Robin again. When she was crippled it was a change and it stuck. That doesn't happen in comics very often!

  • May 13, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    No, but come on.

    by MikeTheSpike

    I see what you're doing. You think the kid is clever and ironic. But it's not. It's annoying. Nobody wants to read those reviews, and those that do can get them off his blog. I want to see what real people think about those issues, not a child.

  • May 13, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    "If you don't like it, scroll the fuck down."

    by xsi kal

    Oh believe me, I have been.

  • May 14, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    The kid stays in the picture book review section

    by paulrichard

  • May 14, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    A lot of "U" titles this week

    by Bedlamite

    How, there was: THE UNWRITTEN THE UNKNOWING THE UNTHINKABLE The Unwritten was a damn fine read. Vertigo, I believe, has their next big water cooler book on the shelves with this one. Mark Waid's The Unknowing isn't quite RUSE quality, but it was a step up from a lot of BOOM studios books so far. The initial set up seems paced way to fast, and the initial "shock" of the series is laid out too quickly as well. This one could have used an issue or two of boil in the background while the first mystery unraveled. I'm in for a second issue, and I did enjoy it, but not a grand slam by any means. The Unthinkable didn't leave much of an impression, and I put it down in the store, and looked at some other stuff. Walking Dead was a WTF kind of issue. Wow, didn't see that one coming. First two issues of the new DC WARLORD series shows they are recapturing the magic that made fans love that book back in the 80's.

  • May 14, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    All comic reviews should be done by 8 to 12 year-olds.

    by Flim Springfield

    They're the target audience after all, except for the "mature readers" stuff obviously.

  • May 14, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Clever and ironic? Not in the slightest.

    by SleazyG.

    I don't know how many times we have to explain this, but here it is again:<p> He's an actual kid telling you what he thinks of his comics. We like it. We think it's nice to have a fresh, innocent, unjaded view of what comes out every week without all the baggage of a guy 20 or 30 or 40 years older than him. He's real and we like him because it's nice to be reminded of why we fell in love with comics in the first place. If you can't get that, it's your loss, not ours, and none of us gives a shit if you ever come back again.

  • May 14, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    You know who I hate?

    by Series 7

    optimous_douche, that guy is just a real asshole. Blah blah blah Irredeemable is just so good. I was going to pick up Irredeemable put I got it confused with The Mighty and picked that up instead, they look the same and the art sucks in both, story saves both of them sounds like.

  • May 14, 2009, 2:08 a.m. CST

    That's @$$hole, Series 7.

    by SleazyG.

    And yeah he is. Sorry to hear you lost three bucks by not buying the thing you wanted to buy...

  • May 14, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Isn't Madelyne Pryor back AGAIN...

    by Mr_Sinister

    In the pages of Uncanny X-Men? I haven't been following the story, but she appears to be leading a villainous Sisterhood comprised of various female baddies, including... Psylocke! Also, is the Illyana in the new New Mutants the same one who died as a child from the Legacy Virus? I guess this was all explained in New X-Men/X-Infernus but again, didn't read those. I really liked the issue of Uncanny from the early 90s that dealt with Illyana's death from the Legacy Virus. It'd be a shame if that's negated, but it always has to happen I suppose. It'd be the same if Cypher/Doug comes back. I agree about the X-books needing to be pared back, or at least giving each a markedly different cast. As much as I love Wolverine, he's definitely overexposed.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:21 a.m. CST

    "The Golden Age Old Fart" Is -- DOOM!

    by V. von Doom

    I'm definitely old school, and definitely a LOT older than The Kid. I like comparing my views with his views; I cannot help read the same comics WITHOUT remembering the history of the characters, the comics, the themes, the events ... The Kíd has none of that (yet) and is looking at them in the most direct way. I cannot "turn off" my deep background and he cannot "ramp up" except over time. No one should expect the same kind and depth of criticism from him that you would expect of me, or, obviously, of Ambush Bug, Prof Challenger, and the rest.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Firestorm Not In Villains United, Says DOOM!

    by V. von Doom

    The original Firestorm "matrix", or whatever you want to call it, was Ronnie Raymond and Prof. Martin Stein. They were severely injured/killed during Identity Crisis, whereupon the Firestorm power moved on to another "owner". Conclusion: Black Lantern Firestorm will be partially Ronnie, partially Stein, or both combined, because the current Firestorm is alive and kicking in JLA. Quod erat demonstrandum.

  • May 14, 2009, 6:13 a.m. CST

    MR. FTW

    by gooseud

    Everything you say makes sense, but you cant go down that road, because if they get Barbara out of the chair, that means they have the means to cure paralysis and just arent doing it for the masses, thus looking like douchebags for not helping everyone else. I know suspension of disbelief is needed, but still, thats a pretty big suspension. Some things need to be what they are, or you are opening a giant sized can of worms. And FYI, I invented "trapped in amber", dammit!!! Like Ali G says, RESPECK!!!

  • May 14, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    It's Fine to Hate Me Series

    by optimous_douche

    Lots of people do. Because I am an @$$hole and an Asshole.<p> For fucks sake though at least have a somewhat sensible argument for your Rage Against the Douche (also, and I’m not trying to throw Imp under the bus, but I wasn’t the only one who reviewed this book).<p> Unless I made you illiterate (and that was only person I can think of – did you grow up in Scotch Plains New Jersey), you buying the wrong title is not my fault.<p> Now if you were trying to ironically make a point about the books being similar, I have to rely on the old Internet retort of WTF are you smoking?????<p> I fully admit, as much as I love Tomasi I had to bail on THE MIGHTY at issue 3, actually I didn’t buy it I thumbed through it at my LCS and put it back on the shelf. Why? Because I felt the art was horrible and the story was going nowhere.<p> There’s a vast difference between a book focusing on a Superman type that lays waste to everything because he was betrayed by the people he loved and protected (IRREDEEMABLE), and one that focuses on a Superman types helper and his family squabbles. These books don’t even feel in the same league except both have really powerful guys in them.<p> Perhaps I missed something in my thumb through of issue 3, but I don’t think so.<p> You know what though, if this takes some heat off the kid for a few posts I’ll gladly be the AICN whipping post for a while.<p>

  • May 14, 2009, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Issue 5 of Villians United Mini

    by gooseud

    They bust out Firestorm from the lab, not because they want to, but because he saves their asses from Black Adam and all them. That mini was the tits.

  • May 14, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    I actually meant to

    by Series 7

    Buy the Mighty. I'll get to buying the other one with the long title beginning with an I that's hard to spell eventually. I was just saying that on my flip through of that, that the art looked pretty bad like it does with the Mighty. <P> As for Optimus being an asshole, I mean douche is in your name. I want to put Irredeemable and The Mighty in a Mexican style cock fight and see who wins.

  • May 14, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    gooseud Is Correct, Says DOOM!

    by V. von Doom

    Called that one, goose. But it *was* the live bits of the new Firestorm, Jason Rusch and Professor Stein. I still bet the dead bits (Ronnie Raymond, perhaps Jason's friend Mick) will appear as the Black Lantern Firestorm.

  • May 14, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Series

    by optimous_douche

    IRREDEEMABLE will peck the living shit out of THE MIGHTY, while it cries about its wonderful three issues of exposition.<p> Fair enough on the Douche point.<p> I'll never fault someone for hating something they have read (e.g. me), but please don't hate on the book if you haven't read it yet.

  • May 14, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST

    I bought and read "Run"

    by cookylamoo

    Thinking it was a one-shot wrap up of the Human Flame plot. Then I found out it's six friggin' issues of this loser. Too much. This cow won't give that much milk.

  • May 14, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Why Reviews Say Nothing About The Product

    by Buzz Maverik

    Sometimes, there's nothing to say. Sometimes, the Product doesn't provoke enough of a response. It may get you to thinking about something else. If you read the reviews here (including the Kid's) with a little bit of imagination, you can often get a clearer idea of what the comic companies are trying to sell you (or have already sold you). By big complaint about this column is, dadgummit, when I read a free comic book review column, I want reviews of comics that haven't been published yet!

  • May 14, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    Bug & The Kid

    by BlueHawaiiSurfer

    I couldn't agree more about the kid's reviews. Like reading the fucking newspaper, there will be parts you don't like. Just skip them. Don't get your panties in a bunch. Try to realize douche bags that 100% of this site will not appeal to 100% of the people who come here. That's life, deal with it and shut the fuck up already. I don't care for the little Harry .gif's in the corner but i don't spend all my time writing "fucking Harry, those little cartoons fucking suck, fuck this site, this site isn't hard core any more, wahhhh waaaaahhhh waaaahhhhh." Put your head in a deep tank of water for 5 minutes already.

  • May 14, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    I say keep the kid.

    by mrfan

    Most of the people that post in this talkback have the mentality of an 6 year old. They need an 8 year old to look up to in this hard comic times. Keep him.

  • May 14, 2009, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Liam's Reviews

    by AndrewGol

    Everyone's entitled to their opinion and not everyone is going to enjoy his reviews, but I did want to clarify a point I've seen brought up a few times regarding his reviews taking away someone elses. We send his reviews in pretty much at the last possible minute. He does about 3 or 4 per week and I try and give the guys here like Bug a few different options since we don't like doubling up and reviewing the same book in a given update. Liam reviewing Spider-Man isn't taking a Spider-Man review away from someone else. The only reason he's doing a Spider-Man review is because none of the other reviewers wanted to go with that book this week. If Liam didn't do the review, there just wouldn't have been a Spider-Man review this week. Bug's pretty good about keeping everyone updated on which books people are covering so that the reviewers can bring you a wide variety of reviews on many different titles. You may not like his reviews or the idea that an 8 year old is doing them at all but he's having fun and he's not 'taking away' anyone else's chance to cover the material. He's newer to the group so he waits till last before submitting his, hopefully covering some books that the rest of the group hasn't gotten to yet.

  • May 14, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Hey, if we're talking about firing people from here

    by Joenathan

    I nominate Psynapse... just cause. I mean, as long as we're making suggestions.

  • May 14, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    To the Reviewers ... Astro City ... Dark Age?

    by Animation

    Guys,<br /><br /> I noticed that there is some new Astro City activity, specifically Dark Age Vol 3 #1 landed on May 6, I believe. I'm just wondering if anyone is planning to review Astro City Dark Age now that is back on stands.<br /><br /> And to Andrew, thanks for the comment. A lot of us appreciate having Liam on board, but your explanation is nice to have.

  • May 14, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Inferno, Goose and Continentalop

    by Joenathan

    Goose, you read X-men then because it was the comic with the best talent attached. speaking of, you're right, I forgot the monster vacum cleaner and the monster elevator and the resulting M Squad, who I believe were instrumental in giving us Jubilee... Wow, Inferno just keeps giving and giving. It's the Jams of the Month of comic cross-overs.

  • May 14, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    @Psynapse & @gavdiggity

    by RobotDevil007

    @psynapse - In its general sense "Usurp" means to "use wrongfully" . Maybe you should... you know... check that kind of thing out next time before you make an ass out of yourself again. @gavdiggity - ok. don't read my posts. that's fine.

  • May 14, 2009, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Wasn't Stryfe the retarded baby of Cable and Madelyne Pryor

    by Joenathan

    or something. To me, Inferno marked the moment where the X books started to spiral out of control, with the one bright spot being Age of Apocalypse, but otherwise, man... was X-ecutioner's Song even an event? What happened there? I remember Professor X rollblading with Jubilee, but other than that...?

  • May 14, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Planetary

    by Joenathan

    sigh.... come on, guys...

  • May 14, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Crippled, sick chracters

    by Joenathan

    See, this is why I've always hated Reed Richards. "Whats that you got there, Stretch, a flying bathtub? Huh... well, fuck you, buddy, my mom died of cancer."

  • May 14, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Goose

    by Joenathan

    you may have evented "trapped in amber", but I sold it.

  • May 14, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    that was "invented"

    by Joenathan

    not "evented"<Br><br>Hmmmm. do you think that was event fatigue that made me do that?

  • May 14, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I could not agree more about Inferno

    by gooseud

    That was the exact moment the X books flew off the rails. In fact, I think within a year I had dropped them all, never to return. Thats one thing I havent ever had a problem with, dropping titles when they get lame. Anyway, yeah Inferno was my moment of clarity on the overly complicated fire drill known as the X-Universe. And on a different note, I rip DC as much as anyone for their trapped in amber feel, but you know who is the biggest "trapped in Amber" character of all? Like, it pretty much defines the character? Give you a hint, it isnt a DC character. Or Vertigo, or Image. It was once a MArvel character but no longer.....ladies and gents, pull back the curtain, I give you: Conan the Barbarian!!! (wild applause)

  • May 14, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Joenathan

    by TedKordLives

    Ha! Yeah, fuck 'Mr.Fantastic'. At least Doom takes care of his peeps, am I right? <P> And once again, Secret Six is awesome. This new issue may be the most lackluster of the new series, but it's still leaps and bounds above most stuff out there. And Bane- BANE!- is becoming one of my favorite characters! How fucking crazy is that?<P> "I do only what I know is right," he says as he whacks Mammoth in the nuts with a huge friggin pipe.

  • May 14, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    X-men from Inferno up to AoA, also Spawn #1-80

    by Joenathan

    These are the comics that taught me, the hard and expensive way. that it is okay to walk away from a title, that I don't need the complete run. That story is the most important factor and when its bad, you just walk away.

  • May 14, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Mr. Fantastic

    by Joenathan

    "Oh sure, I'd love some pants made out unstable molecules, I guess, but you know... really, is this what you spend your life doing? You know people are starving to death out there, right?"<br><br>The point is, Barbra Gordon shouldn't be "cured" because of her relevance as handicapped character, BUT... it just doesn't make sense why she doesn't have like... an exo-skeleton for her legs that allow her to walk or something. Batman can make sonar guided armor in a cave, but not robot legs?

  • May 14, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Babs

    by TedKordLives

    As the avatar of someone who's had cybersex with Oracle, I feel qualified in saying- How about pulling a Prof. X and having her sometimes in, sometimes out of the chair? In the comics world, there are a million ways to restore the use of her legs, and a million ways to put her back in the chair. Perhaps some middle ground could be found, eh?

  • May 14, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Hey, easy on Mr. Fantastic

    by Continentalop

    He is a physicist, not a doctor or a biologist. So him coming up with a cure for cancer or paralysis isn't his bag (but where the hell are you Dr. Pym?). Plus no one gets upset at Stephen Hawkins for just worrying about astronomy instead of turning his big brain over to working on a cure for AIDS. <p> I would love it though it they mention that maybe some of his work would help other people. Like drop a hint that he is building a fusion reactor that will eliminate our energy dependency and provide for even the poorest people. <p> BUT what does make Mr. Fantastic and the rest of the FF dicks in the issue where they go back in time to meet Rama Tut and find a cure for blindness for Alicia Masters. Doesn't matter that the cure could help millions of others, all the FF thinks about is getting it for her. <p> All super-heroes are selfish. Its a fact!

  • May 14, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Will all of Run be Human Flame? and Old Man Logan

    by Homer Sexual

    Because six issues of that single character is a lot, I guess I was thinking that there would be more characters in upcoming issues...I'll give it at least one more month. <p> X-Inferno was crazy, and actually the craziness had already begun, just less noticeably. Madelyne Pryor, lover her though I do and yes she is back in Uncanny, is a pretty crazy character premise to begin with. But I could live with it. <p> Cable is the character I most hate, and I had completely forgotten all about Nate Grey. Ugh! No wonder I gave up X-books for years. New X-Men (Morrison) is what brought me back and I'm still hanging around. <p> Oh, God, JoeNathan, I have to bait you. I was in the LCS last night and the guy was going on about how Old Man Logan storyline has just been dropped, unfinished, and a new storyline by a new creative team (Jason Aaron writing) has now begun. OML will, apparently, be concluded in a "special" to be released at an undetermined future date. <p> Sooo glad I "waited for the trade" but that has GOT to be bothering you.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Conti, RE: Selfish Heroes

    by TedKordLives

    Yeah, all heroes are essentially selfish, especially the tech heroes. Spidey's web-fluid has all sorts of search & rescue possibilities. Ted conquered anti-grav out of college and kept it to himself. I actually had an idea for a story where he tries to introduce flying cars but it becomes this whole "Tucker" scenario. I guess that story was borne from my 'guilt' over Ted hoarding his amazing tech. Although K.O.R.D. Inc did brisk business in non-lethal weaponry.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Run!

    by TedKordLives

    Y'know, my fondness for villain stories almost got me to pick it up. But the Flame's lameness deterred me. I just don't think I'd want to read about him for six issues, no matter what hijinx he's up to.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Actually we are probably to hard on hi-tech heroes

    by Continentalop

    Think about the real world - it's not like Bill Gates or any of the big tech guys are giving away their inventions and their ideas. <p> Plus, we have to think of two things - how expensive/cost effective are their inventions (maybe Ted Kord's anti-gravity devices and stuff are just to expensive to run to make them available for everyone); and that comic book universes have a sliding timeline: what seems like 48 years since the FF first appeared is really only 10-12 years tops in their universe. <p> For all we know the cure for AIDS and cancer is just right around the corner in those universes. Hell, the are probably on a verge of a Utopia if it wasn't for the damn super-villains and alien invaders.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    In fact...

    by Continentalop

    Someone should do a comic book set just 5-10 years into the future of the Marvel Universe showing how handicap people can walk thanks to Stark exo-skeletons; how food production and transportation of goods have been changed forever and world hunger ended thanks to the Pym particle; how cold fusion, anti-gravity and space travel and colonies are common place thanks to Reed Richards; and how someone recreated the super-soldier formula so that everyone out there is now perfect. <p> Of course, it all comes crashing down when terrorist blow up a gamma bomb creating hordes of green monsters.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    My reaction to Old Man Logan is.......

    by gooseud

    BWAAAAAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH AHAHAH AHAH (tears roll down cheeks) BWAAAHA HAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAH AHAHAAHAHA HAHAHA!!! Its not often I get to say "I told you so" (actually, its constantly because I'm awesome, but I'm a huge Capitals fan and I hate the fucking Penguins, so my ego is severely bruised right now), but if thats true and they are just dropping OML cold in mid storyline, never to be revisited again (or when they finish The Twelve and the Squadron Supreme re-boot), that is truly one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard. Vindication tastes so sweet.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Hmm

    by TedKordLives

    That would be cool. I wonder where in the list of 101 ideas all that was? That would be a cool series, like something Millar or Morrison would do. Like at the end of the JLA's WWIII where everybody gets powers and goes up against Maggeddon. That would be a good point about the tech being too advanced, but Ted's Bug is about 80-90% solar powered, so there's that. <P> Where are all the alternative energy sources in DC & Marvel? You'd think it would take Reed like five minutes to be all "Perfect Solar Converter, there you go, world."

  • May 14, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, the Twelve.

    by TedKordLives

    FUCK YOU JMS! FUCK YOU HARD!

  • May 14, 2009, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Madelyne Pryor according to wikipedia

    by Rufferto

    I was right. Marvel really doesn't know what happened to her at the end of the "X-man" run. <p>"Then the character was revived in 1995 as a supporting character in the pages of X-Man, but details are ambiguous due to murky writing and conflicting editor decisions. Whether this was intended to be the true Madelyne or not was further complicated by the character later being supposedly revealed to be a Jean Grey from an alternate reality. In the years following this conclusion (in 2000) of what has become a false start at reviving the character, Madelyne Pryor would be entirely absent and unreferenced within any X-Men related book--"</p> Not that I care about X-men comics anymore but this character has been dug up a lot and I can't think of any character that serves less of a purpose. She was also cremated after she died. Not that that matters. So was Colossus. She only serves as a reminder of Marvels first dropping the ball on Cyclops integrity. But last time it was at least understandable.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Some stories don't need resolution

    by Rufferto

    They cured the Legacy Virus and resolved that but it would of been just as fine if they didn't. Have we cured AIDS yet? Cancer? Legacy was more of a villian then plot. Should we resolve stories by killing of the antagonist?

  • May 14, 2009, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Old Man Logan

    by JadedOne

    There dropping OML?? But.. But... I was rather enjoying that run. Damnit.

  • May 14, 2009, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Some of you guys seem to be criticizing

    by Rufferto

    stuff you haven't even read. Why am I surprised?

  • May 14, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Seriously-

    by TedKordLives

    I was really digging the Twelve. Top-notch whodunnit with some fascinating, well-rounded characters. And. it. goes. nowhere. Like, do I have to solve The Mystery of the Final Four Issues? Is it some kinda meta-mystery? Can't finish a twelve-issue miniseries= fuckin amateur.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Mr. FTW, Re=Batgirl

    by Continentalop

    I am going to respectfully disagree with you about Babs. Here is why:<p> 1) The wheel chair and her disability is what separates her from all the other heroes – not just the handicapped but also that she has gone through an ordeal and suffers consequences that none of them do. Sure they have all lost loved ones and suffered emotional pain, but physically the are all invulnerable (even the normal humans like Green Arrow, Batman and Nightwing). Batman can get his back broken by Bane but can be walking about as if nothing ever happened; Superman and Wonder Woman can loose their powers but somehow regain them; Oliver Queen, Hal Jordan and even Barry Allen can die and somehow manage to come back to life; but only Barbara Gordon got shot and is now confined to that chair. She has a human element that few other heroes have (and even more than Prof. X and Daredevil, who were handicapped when they first appeared in the comics – it was part of their origin, not something that happened to them to make them grow as a character) and I don’t think it makes her a one dimensional character, anymore than I think the Thing’s deformity and Robotman’s cyborg nature make them one dimensional. <p> 2) You say you want to see heroes overcome their disability. Same here. But I don’t think making someone walk is them overcoming their disability – that is just curing them and them not having to deal with it. To overcome a disability you have to learn how to live and act on your own despite having physical limitations. A woman cured of blindness is not overcoming her handicap – a blind woman who lives on her own, has a job and a fulfilling life is someone who has overcome it. <p> 3) Here being in the chair also finally grants her motivation to be a super-hero (or at least help them fight crime. One thing wrong with some of the Batman universe characters is they never had as strong as motivation to fight crime as Batman did. A lot of people might not have liked the original Robin, but one thin he had was a strong motivation (like Bruce, his parents were murdered). But what was Babs motivation? She was just Commissioner Gordon’s daughter who happened to have a brown belt in judo. Not the strongest motivation to make someone go out and fight crime. Babs out of the chair would be like Veronica Mars solving crime without having gone through the trauma (best friend murdered, father fired from being sheriff, mom left her, ostracized from school). Without those elements Veronica would just be an annoying cute blond; with them she has some depth. Same thing with Babs. <p> And, yes, you could say that she would still have the motivation even if cured, but that would be like saying Batman would still be a crime-fighter if his parents were miraculously raised from the dead. He might still do it, but he wouldn’t be nearly as dedicated now that his greatest motivation has been taken away. <p> 4) As for Batgirl being a fetish character, really that is all she was meant to be. She was made because then editor Julius Schwartz was looking for more female characters that could be put on the TV show. The producers of the show saw her designs, like the idea and put her on the show. After she proved popular THEN DC put her in a comic book. She was made to be a sexy girl in a costume for fans of a campy show to enjoy – that was her reason for existing. Hell, they didn’t even give her any depth by having an actual origin – she just went out to fight crime for the hell of fighting crime.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Homer and Old Man Logan

    by Joenathan

    Apparently, due to the film, they put out the first of the regular wolverine storyline that was slated to start next anyway, so that all the people driven in by the movie (heh heh heh) would have a film-relatable comic. Apparently the final issue of the Old Man Logan story is the going to be in the following issue, next month.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Not even dropping, it's already dropped.

    by Homer Sexual

    Because the new issue of Wolverine is already out, and it is indeed a new storyline, new team. In a very odd editorial decision, yesterday also saw the re-release with new covers of all OML issues released so far. <p> I love(d) the Twelve. My question on both is....are the conclusions unwritten? It's hard for me to imagine that the writers didn't finish the storylines. Is the backup because of art?

  • May 14, 2009, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I know, Homer.

    by TedKordLives

    He didn't really start the series without a conclusion in mind, did he? And the art isn't super detailed or anything, so I don't think it's that. Did JMS lose a family member or get sick or something? Did he spend too many nights pacing the floor, waiting to see if he got nominated for his 'Changeling' screenplay? <P> Makes me want to pull a Rockman, pounding on the floor and screaming.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Goose

    by Joenathan

    Eat some poop.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST

    yeah, Homer

    by Joenathan

    I read a Joe Q interview and they talked about it, he said next month for the final Old Man Logan. They took two issues and switched the numbers. #73 is now #72. #72 is now #73.

  • May 14, 2009, 4:45 p.m. CST

    No review of Deadpool: Suicide Kings?

    by WarpedElements

    I love the punisher hacking off limbs. I love Deadpool and his yellow boxes. I dislike the way they used Inez, but they used the Cable & Deadpool Inez. And Fabian was a fucking hack anyway. Blargh.

  • May 14, 2009, 5:19 p.m. CST

    ROFL, Ahhhhh Millar

    by gooseud

    You never disapoint me with your complete hackery. So lemme get this straight: last I checked, they were what, halfway across the country on that Old Man Logan Map? And they are going to completely wrap up THE ENTIRE STORYLINE in one single issue?? Thats it. One issue. The President, Logan goes bananas and starts killing again, bad guys get theirs, etc etc, thats it. One lonely issue. Wowzers. AND you have a COMPLETELY RANDOM other issue of Wolvy thrown in BEFORE that final issue, apropos of absolutely nothing and totally disrupting the flow of the story. I'm not saying I told you so, but.....I TRIED to warn you, you guys are my comic-buying bros-in-arms, but Millar has the power to cloud your minds, and some of you guys fall for it every time. Kick-Ass will be the same way, it always is with him. Just remember: he wasnt kidding with that last page of Wanted. He's going to screw you, and he isn't even going to leave you a note on the pillow the next morning.

  • May 14, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    gooseud

    by TedKordLives

    Yep, you are spot on re Wanted's last page. That would have been it for me, but I gotta say 1985 was a love letter to comics and childhood. He's not a total wanker. <P> Yet.

  • May 14, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    The Twelve

    by gooseud

    Just so people dont think I'm exclusively a Millar hater, JMS is held accountable too. I mean, Jesus Christ, its a MINI SERIES, right??? 12 stinking issues? Your telling me you cant finish TWELVE ISSUES??? Not only that, you have FOUR to go?? So basically, your not even close. I mean, 4 issues is a friggin ton. What a disgrace, to give credit where it is due, at least Millar nearly got to the end before he screwed the pooch. JMS quit barely halfway through. And dont even get me started on NewUniversal.

  • May 14, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    TedKord

    by gooseud

    I've admitted before, Millar's Ult FF run was excellent for what it was. The man HAS some level of talent, its not Ellis or Brubaker level, but he's not talentless. Its just that he has utter contempt for the genre and its fans (1985 aside), which results in lazy bullshit "Stunt-writing". Can you imagine Brubaker taking a break for the Winter Soldier storyline to throw in some random issue? Or simply not finish it? Utterly inconcievable. Thats why Brubaker is Brubaker and Millar is Millar. They dont even exist on the same planet in regards to the quality of the work they produce.

  • May 14, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I repeat

    by Joenathan

    eat some poop, Goose and like it. Just because you're jealous of how super awesome Millar is... <br><Br>Although we agree on JMS, he is now on my "do not buy" list.

  • May 14, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Millar

    by TedKordLives

    I guess I fall between goose and joe on this one. <P> That's not an invitation for you both to poop on me, either.

  • May 14, 2009, 7:51 p.m. CST

    A lot of scat action on this TB

    by Continentalop

    Makes me wonder how may of you are into coprophilia.

  • May 14, 2009, 10:40 p.m. CST

    The reason the 12 stopped

    by Series 7

    JMS has been too busy trying to pimp his screen writing career.

  • May 14, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    I haven't read the last day's worth of responses, but let me just say that the problem with the kid isn't him intrinsically (although I don't really find his reviews particularly enlightening); rather, it's the fact that otherwise interesting comics don't get the "adult" reviews I'd prefer to see. If you could follow up his review with something by someone who knows what they're talking about, the whole issue would be taken care of.

  • May 15, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Yeah, if you insist that the kid stays.....

    by cookylamoo

    Then carry two more reviews every week so we can skip over the Kid and not feel cheated.

  • May 15, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Even more hysterical

    by Slaphappy Slim

    than some of the kid hate are the smug, knee-jerk (and just plain jerky) responses to those, like RobotDevil, who actually make a few good critical points about his presence here. Forgive me, but I'm still getting a handle on the rule that if you disagree with someone on a talkback, you've got to be a smarmy little cunt about it. No wonder people hate geeks.

  • May 15, 2009, 5:19 a.m. CST

    MikeTheSpike

    by Slaphappy Slim

    Excellent point. Therefore, expect to be flamed momentarily.

  • May 15, 2009, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Slaphappy Slim

    by Continentalop

    Read some of the post the last couple TBs when the Kid first appeared where a number of people just attacked the kid for the lamest of reasons, and most were quite offensive. You will then understand the knee-jerk responses by the rest of us.

  • May 15, 2009, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Atomic Robo...FINALLY!!

    by morGoth

    I was beginning to wonder if the comic was ever going to get a mention here. Great stuff...keep it coming because those secret Nazi (and Kommie) robot labs are still out there...

  • May 15, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Like him or lump him

    by Joenathan

    There's no denying that the Kid is driving the TB discussion. He's the Brand New Day of AICN. <br><br>So.... is he "A" devil or "THE" Devil, do ya' think?

  • May 15, 2009, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Old Man Logan

    by BlueHawaiiSurfer

    Ok so they released issue #73 early, #72 will be out on 5/27. I'm confused, are they just pushing back part 8 of this story to the TPB??? I see a ton of reviews posted that explain Marvel did this, just none that say when part 8 of this story will be released. (which should be a double sized issue if I'm right) Anyone???? Yes I am one of the people who actually want to know what will happen, lol.

  • May 15, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    The kid...cheated?!?!

    by BlueHawaiiSurfer

    Cheated???!?!?! How much are you paying to read these reviews again?? lol, now that is funny shit, cheated, rofl.

  • May 15, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    What do you mean: Part 8?

    by Joenathan

    Do you mean: Issue #72? I'm not sure what your question is, because you said 5/27 in your post... Anyway, they did it because of the movie.

  • May 16, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    comics are baby books

    by slutpunch

    baby books are for babies

  • May 18, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    "They did it because of the movie."

    by Homer Sexual

    Har. Suuuuuure they did. that's the ticket. I am not trying to hate, but that's one dumb-ass explanation.

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 2:23 a.m. CST

    iFFqsk

    by TmvEqK

    iKeGLyNN <a href="http://lsajml.com/ ">iFFqsk</a>

  • Feb. 15, 2010, 2:24 a.m. CST

    lYNjXQt

    by TmvEqK

    YqAOEu <a href="http://ognfne.com/ ">lYNjXQt</a>