Vern reviews S.DARKO direct to video...

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I saw this a few weeks back and completely agree with this review. It's almost a point for point review of the first movie. Sadly, there was actually promise (in the first ten minutes or so) of giving rules to donnie's universe that the entire audience would understand.

Once again, the best reviewer here hits the mark. Thank you for your input. My suspicions have been confirmed.

but not in a gay way. Just a respectful love. Like a man-hug.

is that like Vern, they seem to only vaguely have remembered the original, and then only partially understood it. <p> As such, the sequel is relegated to a series of checklists, in order to try to capture the same air as the original. <p> "Time travel?" "Check" <br> "Apocalypse?" "Check"<br> "Halluncinations?" "Check"<br> "Subtle references to the first movie, to appeal to the hard core fans?" "Check"<br> <p> "What do you mean we didn't do as well at the box office? We had all the same cool shit!" <p> Fucktards.

The line about projection directly from God's eyes gave me a chuckle.

Donnie Darko, Domino, Southland Tales. <p> Basically, what I'm saying, is I fucking hate R. Kelly, and think he is the biggest hack on the planet. If you watch his other movies, and go back and watch Darko, you'll realize, just like I did, that none of it means anything, and it never did. He just makes shit up as pretentiously as possible, and purports it to have meaning. Dick.

So, I'll stay away from this one.

lol are you serious? Just checked and that movie made 1.2 million. Not a hundred point two. Just a measly 1 million. Donnie Darko was definitely better. I'm just sayin.

Kelly's version of The Box will change how you think of him.

...spoiler tag? She dies and comes back? I wish I could go back in time to before I read this.

Any movie that shows the tits of Keyra Knightley is a classic in my book!

...I would visit fanfiction.net more often. :P

What tits?

I saw it, and didn't like it general, but also felt like I didn't really get it. So whenever I met people who claim it's their favortie movie I would ask them (in a non-insulting sincere tone) what this film meant to them. I honestly wanted to know. But everytime they would just explode at me telling me that I am a sheep controlled by mass media to only want Michael Bay type formula blockbuster garbage.<br><br>Maybe if I sent L. Ron Hubbard a big enough cheque I'd get a panphlet telling me what the big secret is, but I dunno, I get the feeling everybody's bluffing on this one and it's an emprorer's new indie film type situation.

Was that one where he pissed on the 13 year old girl.

...is the only thing keeping this site alive. I can even stomach Beaks because Vern tips the scale for AICN so far in the direction of Awesome that it doesn't matter what illiterate fuckwits they employ else.

You, my friend, are spot on! I always thought that movie went under the "It's so god damn weird that it has to be genius" label and every time I would ask someone which part they liked they would mention something about how different it was and how it was amazing and not give me any specifics. I would just say back my favorite part was when the kid dressed like Hulk Hogan.

Which is the best DTV Seagal flick I've seen. That's right Vern, better even than Urban Justice and Pistol Whipped.

oh i see so we're kicking Donnie Darko now? Well its a fuckin great movie..and yes everything else he's done is diabolical shit...but i'm not gonna jump on the hate train fuckheads on this site like get in line for..

I actually kind of liked Southland Tales. Its ridiculous, overblown and makes very little sense, but its does feature two outstanding peformances, ie. both of The Rock's eyebrows. "Nobody rocks the cock like Crysta Now!" <p><p> Yeah its a bit shitty, but parts of it are good and the soundtrack is cool.

Here's the thing. It's not "so weird it has to be good". You guys remind me of Kevin Smith when he ripped apart Mulholland Drive, until his wife patiently explained it to him. Then he realised that David Lynch is still a genius, and he (Kevin) is a tool. <p> Donny is in a bubble universe (pocket universe). He should have died, but didn't. Everyone around him in this altered timeline (which shouldn't exist) mirrors what is going on in the "real" universe. The pocket universe will collapse in 28 days. <p> The movie is basically about Donny finding out that his universe (and himself) is living on borrowed time. And trying to reconnect the pocket universe back to the main one, before it collapses, and kills everyone in the pocket universe. <p> That's more or less it, going from memory (it's been a while since I saw it). But like The Usual Suspects, it's a plot that rewards the careful viewer who works it out for themselves. It's all too easy to mock the hell out of it, if someone has to explain it to you. <p>("Kevin Spacey, the gimp, is Keysor Soze? I thought it was Gabrial Byrne's character. That's stupid!") <p> Those who got it, liked it. Those who didn't, didn't.

...that came up with this one?

If you were going to tell us S dies, please put "Spoiler" on the title of your post.

Can't wait to see The Box. I'd rather see a director aim for the stars and fail than to direct anything without purpose or passion. I.E. X-Men Origins Wolverine.

I've had a copy of Donnie Darko on my shelf for over a year now and I have yet to watch it. I have very little TV time to myself when I can watch the trippy/scary/fuckedup movies I like and my wife doesn't. Hell, there's 4 or 5 movies I've bought that I haven't watch yet (From Hell comes to mind, as does Don't Say A Word and Mothman Prophesies)

See, that's all well and good, except none of that is actually in the movie. Not until the Director's Cut, anyway, and that just beats you around the face with all the time travel mumbo jumbo that any mystique the film had is lost. Donnie Darko was entertaining and interesting because it made no sense, but it turned out that it actually did make sense, but the sense was stupid. And that shit about asexual smurfs still makes me cringe.

...before Vern's spoils S's death, he wrote: "so I might as well spoil them". If this isn't a spoiler warning, I don't know what it is.

Yeah, thats what some people seem to think about R. Kelly's movies. Why I'll never know. D. Darko was just ok, it wasn't that great a flick. Kelly is a one-hit-wonder. (Is that possible for a director?) Whateva....

Actually, it is in the movie. I haven't seen the directors cut. But I did use the movies tie-in website before I saw the movie, so I knew a little going in. <p> But yeah, it's all there in the movie.

cuz unless there are gratuitous shots of her young nubile bod...i aint gonna see this

my loving of Donnie Darko had very little with me 'getting it.' I never really understood the time travel stuff at all, and I certainly didn't know there was that whole 'pocket universe' theory. See, I absolutely hated the director's cut. The strength of the original film is the emotional content, not the convoluted 'scifi' stuff. The more you have to explain the film, the less it works. In fact, I didn't really want an explanation. Having been in high school (in a similar school to Donnie's) at roughly the same time the movie was set - 1988 - and listening to all that music (Echo and the Bunnymen, Tears for Fears), there was something about the tone of that film that captured a particular time for me. And Donnie's sense that something was utterly wrong in his world - call it a pocket universe, but it's really a classic story - in the Catcher in the Rye sense - of the teenager who knows that everyone (especially the adults and authority figures) is playing a strange game and he wants no part of it. And having a sense of something beyond the mundane, that that knowledge is somewhat comforting, like when he says to the girl who the other kids make fun of that it won't always be so bad for her. <p>And the final scene with the cover of 'Mad World' in which everyone seems to have the knowledge that something - they don't know what - has changed, and they react emotionally. That to me was one of the most powerful musical montages I've seen in a film (next to the Amy Mann montage in Magnolia). For someone like myself, for whom Tears For Fears' original Mad World was practically anthemic, hearing this newer, more reflective version over those incredible emotional moments, that's what sold the film for me. As soon as you start over-explaining it with the whole 'pocket universe' thing, that's when it loses the magic for me. <p>Anyway, is there any reference in this new film to Sparkle Motion? In the original, that was a primary example of everything that's wrong in Donnie's world.

...than the finished project. The script had humor, and connectivity. The movie has some cool shots.

I had forgotten I was supposed to remind myself to ignore this movie. Sarcasm aside I do enjoy a Vern DtV review.

That was actually the interpretation I had worked out when I saw the non-director's cut. I thought it was about a dude who felt fate went off the rails and had to go back and set it right. I don't remember how it was he had the power to do this.<br><br>My earlier comments weren't so much on the movie. I didn't like it, but didn't really care. My comments were more on the fans of this other R. Kelly movies being the most hostile and secretive fans in the world. If people ask me why I like or dislike something, I'll tell them. I have reasons for my opinions. But all these Darko fans just jumped to the conclusion that the appeal of Donnie Darko as a movie was something too beautiful for this world and I would never understand it. Maybe I just look like an idiot. But the thing is, I like Lynch. I like Kieslowski. I like Jorodowsky. I don't need all my movies to be satisfying as straightup narratives to be enjoyable, I just didn't like Donnie Darko and was sincerely interested in why others did and they ranted at me like I just drove over a unicorn.<br><br>I didn't see Southland Tales, but I went to the IMDB page and again, it was all this angry secret cult stuff. All the fans abusing people who didn't get it or like. Again, it was a bunch of this "if you have to ask, you're clearly evil" stuff about how these poor people who just turned up to watch a movie were ignorant to general knowledge that they were expected to learn R. Kelly's secret language and follow the clues to the decoder glasses and use them to read the Holy hidden Kelly scrolls before buying their ticket.

I meant to say that Samantha was a major part of the Sparkle Motion thing, and you'd think that would play into her development somehow, even if it's a matter of leaving it behind. Just a mention would suffice (maybe).

...like big floppy swords. <p> I'd rather see that movie, it sounds hilarious.

We discovered it. We enjoyed it. We spread the word. Haters seemed to think we claim it to be some sort of GODLY film just so they can hate on it even more.

Although I do like movies with "quirk" I think the standout part of Donnie Darko was the emotional content. One of my favorite types of movies (and this has quickly become a bit of trope as well) involve suburban dystopias and/or the juxtaposition of beauty and superficial ugliness. Donnie Darko strikes me as a mix between Edward Scissorhands and American Beauty and the most resonant piece of it is the fact that Donnie's family is prototypically the dysfunctional family but underneath it seems to be the most cohesive family on the block. <p>This of course involves the "How's it fell to have a wacko as a son?" conversation; Donnie's dad supressed laugh to Donnie's reaction too the lifeline exercise; the affection that Donnie showed his sister in conjunction with the regular sibling rivalry (it helped, of course that they were related); the fact that Donnie's sacrifice while theoretically for the "greater good" seemed also fundamentally personal -- saving his mother and his little sister who were on the plane. <p>I also preferred the theatrical cut to the director's cut. Perhaps oddly, that may mean that I also agree with the suggestions that R. Kelly isn't that great of a director -- his concern with the weird or science fiction elements and making a "neat time bubble" seemed to have gotten in the way of what I thought was the more compelling story and if he would relegate the emotional story to the B plot rather than the A plot, then, well, that is too bad.

You reached into my mind to pull out that post. I wanna piss on you....

How did he do that? Didn't the engine still fall off the plane and kill him? Haven't seen it in a while...

The Directors Cut was Shit as was this.Dont waste your time.

The extra stuff slapped into the Director's Cut are retarded. But the Director's Cut does have the better soundtrack. Also: I really like Southland Tales, but mostly because it has Christopher Lambert driving an ice cream truck. It is a completely ridiculous film, and it also has a pretty good soundtrack.

Come visit more often!

Watch the directors cut. It explains everything.

havent seen the movie but another review mentions she's driving to LA to pursue a dancing career, so it does keep in touch with her sparkle motion days.

I too enjoyed the first film but somehow I doubt I'll get around to seeing the second movie. I even went far enough to see Southland Tales in the theaters. What a mistake that was.

There's no mention of Sparkle Motion, only a short clip of it when she looks at a movie screen and remembers her childhood.

Did I make that up or did knowthyself answer my question...? <p> My understanding is that the engine was ripped off of the plane that his mother and younger sister were flying on. Recall that his mother was only chaperoning her sister and the dance team because the PE teacher pulled out to defend P. Swayze. <p>Now if Donnie died, P. Swayze would not be incriminated and therefore his mother would not have had to chaperone them by plane (for some reason I thought the original plan was not by plane, but if it was -- then that doesn't make sense). Thus, his dying saves his mother and sister. At the very least, them mourning should have kept them at home...

Gets my vote for worst movie ever made! What a pretentious mess. The "humor" was way off and it made no goddamn sense. Oh I'm sure if you sent me a plot synopsis it would, but I shouldn't have to look that far into a fucking movie to understand what the flying fuck is going on. If you wanna make a convoluted and metaphysical story...fine...but atleast construct a viable narrative to squeeze it in, Southland Tales failed miserably at that. Even tho I hated the fucking thing I still ended up watching it twice, trying to catch something I missed and give it a fair shake upon a more relaxed viewing...but no, still the shitty mess the second time around. That being said, Donnie Darko was quite good, but if ya ask me Kelly was a one hit wonder.

didnt really hate it, i just felt like the plot is just made up as they go along to fulfill a weirdness quotient, but the girl in it was cute. But ive only seen the directors cut, which i heard is one of the few movies that are actually worse than the original. And I didnt see it until much later, so maybe the hype killed it for me.

Was an enormous steaming pile of shit. Completely unwatchable.

Donnie Darko had some interesting ideas,(being stuck in a time loop untill something is fixed) but the characters were super annoying.

since the Director's cut just made up some completely arbitrary rules for time travel, then had the main character go through the motions without any real choice in the matter. Should have been kept more vague, so at least I could have made up something more interesting in my head (which isnt a knock on the movie btw).

I was watching and kept thinking: "This is a joke right? Like the movie itself is one big joke on the audience RIGHT?" No it was just a horrible movie I guess.

The original is the best because the supernatural is not totally explained. Makes ya work for it. It is a brilliant film that may take a couple viewings to really appreciate. For people who were in high school or college in the 80s, the nostalgia seems to make the movie that much better. For folks in their late 40s and up, and mid twenties and younger the film may not work as well. With the sci-fi and teen angst elements, it could work for nearly everybody. If this film is going to be bashed now what other classics are next? The Godfather, Raiders, Goodfellas, Star Wars, Aliens? Given enough time, DD will be up there with the best movies of the last twenty or thirty years.

...was the one where he pissed on that kid. <br> <br> Oh wait, wrong R. Kelly... <br> <br> Well actually, the video in question is still better than DOMINO and SOUTHLAND TALES.

Seriously... your post nailed the exact way I feel about this story. The sci-fi stuff is just gravy for me.<BR><BR> As for Richard Kelly himself, yes... that fucker is a pompous ass. I wish I had those hours of my life that I spent on Southland Tales back. I WANT THEM BACK, KELLY! Fuck that shit was unwatchable. The only reason I sat through the whole thing was because of my respect and love of Donnie Darko. That, and I was sure that there would be an inkling of an explanation somewhere towards the end of the movie. Something!<BR><BR> The ass gave us nothing though. Self-serving motherfucking hack. I will never watch anything from this guy ever again. I'd rather watch something by Uwe Bol. Honestly, I've only walked out on one movie my whole life. Alexander. I wish I could've walked out on this one too. I couldn't, though. I had bought it on Blu-Ray, you see. I watched it with some friends, we all talked about it on my porch like we were rape-victims afterwards and the next day I traded the movie in at a Game Crazy. <BR><BR> Richard Kelly raped me that night.

is that a reference to southland tales? its pretty funny if it is. <br><br>because i have to admit im one of those assholes who stick up for southland tales.. and i read the prequel comics. heh.

With The Rock's cock.

Was a badass movie. The only thing self-indulgent is Vern in his pathetic attempts at wit with his abbreviation of each person's first name. Think you're clever eh? Yeah....No. You're an idiot. Southland Tales was a badass flick. I'm sure you're right, that S.Darko isn't anything amazing, but no need to shit on a perfectly good movie in Southland Tales. Jackass.

Great idea.

Hmmm?

Srsly. Vern writes reviews for all the kids at Hot Topic.

that is all.

... i listened to the commentary track on the original Darko dvd. It was like he had no clue what made the movie good, and was dissing all of the studio decisions. I couldn't believe what i was hearing. I still refuse to watch the director's cut.

SOrry man, already made that joke near the top of the page. You are sooooo three hours ago.

is basically "It's a Wonderful Death". Good movie (never seen the director's cut). A sequel isn't justified, I don't care what happens in it.

a Richard Matheson short story that was turned into a Twilight Episode? That's gotta be cool. And I'm one of those people that actually think Cameron Diaz is underrated as a serious actor (ex: Invisible Circus, some of Vanilla Sky). Maybe his next film will feature Lucy Liu so he can fulfill his dream of working individually with every one of the Charlie's Angel movie actresses. I have to admit, though, I never got around to seeing Southland Tales, although I still want to.

Shouldn't have read that review. Should, however, have seen "Donnie Darko" by now.

On how Southland Tales was a "badass" movie. Awesome praise for it too, the same adjective you'd use to describe Commando for a David Lynchian-snooze fest.

You are right, and I hang my head in shame at having not noticed your earlier joke until you pointed it out. <br> <br> And let me just add that personally, I would rather see the sequel to the video we both mentioned. <br> <br> Or maybe this time, R. Kelly can piss all over the other R. Kelly the way they both piss all over their fans - one metaphorically, one literally.

Just got back from Blockbuster with S. Darko.... must not be spoiled.

As laughably moronic as the first one was, Fisher was the slime that puked out "Nighstalker", compared to which Uwe Boll's films look like Paul Thomas Anderson's.

... that happened to me, too. I guess I blocked the memory of that out of my mind. <p> ... in a similar vein, I always hate when an actor/actress talks about their character on some interview and completely misses what made that character compelling as well (which seems to happen quite a lot).

You are a fuckfaced ne'er-do-well... Donnie Darko was a really good debut with a lot of great mood and atmosphere. Saying R KElly is a hack only succeeds in exposing you as a horse's ass. Oh and GOFUCKYASELF!

Interesting theory, but unfortunately, you're an idiot. Richard Kelley himself said in an interview that he doesn't know what the movie means and that he deliberately made it that way so people would draw their own conclusions. But please, go on speaking like you're some intellectual douche'. It's quite entertaining.

Not to point specifically at any TBers, but I have to say I hate that rational. "You didn't like it because you didn't get it" is just a cheap way to attack someone else's intelligence, a subtle way of saying :"you're stupid." <p> OF COURSE I DIDN'T GET IT! If I got it I would have liked it - that is the definition of liking a movie, you got it. I "didn't get" Babel, and no matter how many times my ex-gf explained it to me, I still saw it as a pretentious and overindulgent movie. Same with the two Matrix sequels. If I got what the filmmakers where going for, I would have felt a connection to the movie and probably liked it. So maybe the fault doesn't lie with us, but with the directors and writers who can't explain their ideas clear enough for people to get them?<p> Can we please just retire the whole "You just don't get it" argument. <p> PS - I "got" the original Donnie Darko, and I did enjoy it.

She's literally unwatchable. I laughed at the trailer of Step Up 2 implying she has any right to lead a dance film. I cried at how abysmal she wrecked a potentially great episode of Fear Itself. BJ needs to put that bear back in the cage. And the thing that bugged me about Donnie Darko was, with him dying, Patrick Swayze's character was going to continue molesting freely without police interference. Thus, his death seemed like he was avoiding dealing with the problems rather than addressing them head-on like the viewer is sorta led to believe. Sickness :(

Yw knw I'm rte.

Southland Tales is best forgotten about. One of the worst large budget movies ever made. Down there with Dreamcatcher and Lost In Space. Poorly acted, poorly told convoluted story, poor entertainment with too few redemptive features to mention. Maybe Richard Kelly knows what he's doing, but he forgot to inform the rest of the cast & crew.

When they tell me Donnie Darko is the best/favorite movie ever.

But I'm sure that's all I'll like about it.

Go back to China, bitch!

Richard Kelly isn't a hack. He's just wack. And this movie didn't need/deserve a sequel. Shameless.

But I know there's a really hot chick going topless in it, the same chick from masters of horror cigarette burns. Reason enough for me to see it when I get the chance.

listen to the commentary track. Seriously. <BR><BR> You know how when you were a kid and you knew you did a very bad thing, but before you got busted you felt the need to explain and justify yourself a tad too much?<BR><BR> Yeah... kind of like that, except with more "douche".

I do the same thing when people say they love Boondock Saints. I dunno, some people might genuinely love it, but man, what a turd of a movie. But then, I liked Donnie Darko a lot when I first saw it, so maybe now my opinion on quality in movies is null and void for other people. But, as my taste in all things is infallible, I don't really worry about it.

for the mid 90's setting? I haven't seen the original in a really long time though.....

but I'd have to say that I'm a fan of Kelly's eyes, mind, thoughts, & where he tries to take you with them. Sometimes they end up being a bit jumpled...& wacked as fwock...but I enjoy the ride. I loved Donnie Darko & Southland Tales. Both for opposite reasons. Donnie Darko really took me back to my high school years with the Tears for Fears track. the drugs, the anxieties, & last but not least...the clicks! All of that teen angst shit was just to dead on the money. Sparkle Motion was the shit, Dirty Dancin's Swayz-man was nearly my most fav villian to pop up in a long long time...and overall the entire story line really got me. I mean...how many times have you ever wanted to course correct your life? Only to end it? Fantastic. The acidic like fashion that it was shot in & the fact that he dropped the Evil Dead name bomb in the theatre during one of his time jumps was the end all be all for me! Kelly really really won me over & while a lot of the time shox & their workings went over my head...I like the way it was delivered. Now the main thing that I loved about Southland Tales...the cast & the fact that it was such a tortured product from start to finish...& it showed. That movie my good chums was just 100% fwockin out there!!! Can't wait for "the Box" to come out.

Is pretty damn good, man! Better copyright it NOW before you see it on the sci-fi channel!!

He FELT caught. I doubt there'd be any molestrin' after that.<p>Donnie saved everyone, not just his awesome family.

for really different reasons. Liked Darko pretty much for the reasons everyone likes Darko, fun puzzle, cool tone, teen angst, etc... Liked Domino through sheer force of will because everything in it *should* have been awesome, but Tony Scott somehow managed to fuck EVERYTHING up - I like the idea of the movie more than it itself. And I saw Southland with low expectations because everything I'd read about it had been bad, but quickly raised my expectations as it went on. I don't really understand the hate on that movie - it seemed much easier to understand than Darko to me, and overall has a lot of similarly cool/funny/apocalyptic shit going on. Is it because ST goes for a more humorous tone, but tries to keep some meaning as well? Am I just misinterpreting the whole thing?

I had never heard of it when I first saw it on DVD. I had just met this girl on a dating site, and she said "This is the most amazing movie I've ever seen! We have to watch it on our first date!" So she came over, and we watched it. After the movie, without a word, I immediately went into my room, signed in to the dating website, and changed my preferences to only show me people over the age of 25. Then I came back out and asked her to leave. I never saw her again, and listing Donnie Darko in the "favorite movies" section of your profile has been a dealbreaker ever since.

Southland Tales is, without the slightest doubt, the worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. Worse than Catwoman, worse than Super Mario Brothers, worse than Epic Movie, and yes, even worse than that early-nineties Fantastic Four movie that was too horrible to even release in theaters. It is such a colossal failure on every level that I am still reeling from the experience. It literally made me physically exhausted to watch this film. I feel vaguely as if someone spun me underwater in a gyroscope for two and a half hours, while someone else used a potato gun to fire human feces at all of my senses. It is so thunderously bad that, although I have never struck another human being in anger, I swear on the graves of all four of my grandparents that, if I ever meet Richard Kelly, I will attempt to slap him in the face for making this petulant, masturbatory, wrong-headed abortion of a film; a film about which the most charitable thing that can be said is that at least it is twenty minutes shorter than it was when it was booed off the screen at Cannes.

that Donnie was destined to die from the plane engine falling on him. But because of him basically not being at peace with himself and the world around him and/or god that he was allowed (by powers higher up) to come to terms with everything and change how he felt by getting to experience things that would have happened in his life had he continued to live. He was giving a second chance to change his outlook on everything in the split seconds before his death.Thus saving himself. And I don't mean physically.<br><br> The way I took it was that everything that happened after the plane engine first fell to the end of the movie when Donnie actually died was basically all just a dream like state. None of that was real. The stuff with the rabbit man and the abyss looking stuff and time travel were all happening because it was in a dream world. Weird shit goes on in our dreams. <br><br> I thought that the biggest clue as to what was going on was when Donnie took his date to the movies. The "Evil Dead" was playing along with "The last temptation of Christ". If you've seen "The last temptation of Chirst" then you should know that it's a very similiar story. while being crucified on the cross, Christ is allowed to see what his life would have been like had he lived. The same concept is being applied to Donnie. <br><br> After his girlfiriend is killed I think Donnie even realizes what is happening. Thats why he takes her body up to the hillside or whatever and watches for that plane engine.He knows that in real life that she is safe and that his time is almost up. After he is showed in bed again right before the plane engine falls for the second/first time it shows him smiling while he is sleeping. I felt this was to show that he was at peace with everything now before he dies.Which he wasn't before. <br><br> It has been awhile since I have seen Donnie Darko. I need to rewatch it to see if my interpretation still holds water. I have never seen the director's cut. Thats just my thoughts on the first movie. Take it however you will.

As far as DTV goes this is alright, but not worth the time unless you Love the first film.<br><br>One thing is that you have to have seen the first film to even know WTf is going on, and (most significant) if you apply logice, the ending doesn't make sense.<br><br>I dunno, but anyone who judges anyone for enjoying the first film is a shit-stain on humanity (who has to ** as they ** when ***), but I digest.

I like it a little less every time I watch it.

If I remember correctly, you're quite the Richard Stark/ Donald Westlake fan. Well, I heard that Darwyn Cooke (the demi-genius behind DC: The New Frontier) has decided to adapt The Hunter into comic book form. Don't really know if you're into the whole funnybook thing, but you can see some samples at www.idwpublishing.com.

I loved the film when it first came out. But I've seen it about 5 times since and now i can barely tolerate it. <p> And no, the time travel reasoning, about the pocket universes and stuff, is from the old website. It is not in the movie at all. Which is kinda the problem with Southland Tales. Kelly expects you to understand his film's universe before you watch the film. I shouldn't have to spend 30 minutes decoding a website for the pages of a time travel rules book to understand Donnie Darko and I shouldn't have to read a bunch of comics to understand Southland tales. <p> And to the "get the movie" agruement, it is possible to "get" the film and walk away both unimpressed and disappointed. I understood perfectly what he wanted to do with Donnie Darko and i thought it was ambitious. I knew what he was going for in Southland Tales and I want Kelly's apology for wasting such a good cast.

Donnie Darko is genius.<p>Don't think it needs a sequel, though.

I wouldn't go with anyboy who had Darko as their favorite movie either.

and pimps. Don't. Commit. Suicide.

It wasn't ever going to be the best movie of 2010. Or the worst. is that it was on the threshold of being a good movie, it just never got around to being a good movie. Y'know what I mean? It was so close that I felt bad it couldn't have been tightened up a bit and, as Vern said, it does dip from the Donnie Darko well a bit too much; even Iraq Jack (or whatever his name was) looks like a Jake Gyllenhaal look-a-like in some scenes. <br> It was a hell of a lot better than I was expecting from a dtv sequel, though.

Seriously. Trapped In A Closet? What the fuck is that all about?

That movie has lines that always have me reeling. The smurfette talk. The Banter between Donnie and his sister. Hilarious stuff. Even if you don't like the time travel aspect of the film you have to admit its pretty damn funny at times.

Kelly isn't as serious as you think he is. A lot of the things people hate in ST are intentional put there by Richard. He does tend to over explain himself when he does commentaries but in ST he pretty much shut anyone up who thinks its meaningless crap. The film requires a level of investment that most people aren't willing to put into a movie. The prequel books + the movie + rewatching and rereading them several times to understand it all. Who wants to do that? Once you do maybe you can realize he's crafted quite the crazy little science fiction tale. Considering people are complaining that Star Trek is too simple, Southland Tales is the kind of scifi uber geeks love. Multidimensional mind bending stuff. I think the story was a little ahead of it's time. Still my favorite performance by Dwayne Johnson. And the last line is just too loveable. Consider me a Southland Tales apologist if you will but I love that film even with all its flaws.

Someone who makes a show of how little impact the original had on them.

First, please put SPOILER on before you giveaway the bloody ending! I guess I don't need to see this one now. Also, next time get rid of just using the first initial of people's name. It is goddamn annoying when you are unsure of someone you mention.

"S. Darko" so, therefore, E. Berkeley, etc.

"Go back to China, bitch." <P> Jeez, funniest line in the whole movie and nobody notices.

I vote for "The Exorcist". The added scenes within the movie were all right, loved the spider-walk, but the new ending fucked up one of the best parts of the movie. Don't know why Friedkin felt the necessity of 'explaining' everything.

It's not that it takes awhile to figure them out... its that once you do, there's nothing really all that interesting there. They're more smoke and mirrors than actual substance. Sure, they both have a neat little sci-fi tale hidden in there, but neither one is that original or engaging. Its just that you have to dig through so much crap to find it that most people don't bother and just assume its confusing because its deep.

"Donnie Darko was entertaining and interesting because it made no sense, but it turned out that it actually did make sense, but the sense was stupid." <br><br> Ha! That's a Vern-worthy line! Well done.

Darko definetly had an emotional pull that was lacking in Southland Tales. Kelly must remember that FIRST you aim for the heart THEN reach for the head.

ever and Kelly may be a dick. But that movie has subtle brilliance to it. If you cant see it your wrong and blind.

I guess I had help, because I saw the director's cut with all the pages from the book shown on the screen. I understood the story, I just don't think it was a story worth telling.

The original cut is vastly superior to the director's cut. That being said, I doubt your opinion would change too drastically. I thought it was a cool movie; it felt very much like the script of a first-timer, and I admired how optimistically ambitious it tried to be.<br /><br />As for S. Darko, I barely ever rent movies anymore, but I have seen all of the DTV "Cube" sequels, so I think I'll need to pick this one up eventually.

only "American Beauty" takes that crown away from Darko.

...when I was fifteen. Watched it again recently, and it was considerably less so. Whenever you don't have a plot, begin a countdown to the death of the main character, or the world. Voila! I give you...113 minutes. The "fuckass" exchange was funny, though.

is and has always been crap...the compromised draft...what got onto the screen.... i guess it was "fun" for hundreds watching kevin "don't tell my dad" spacey do the whole teenage rebellion thing....because you know the 'burbs....are like....totally soul-crushing....but there's beauty to be had in this world my friends...go find some garbage...film it.

Not the be-all and end-all. I liked how it was basically a modern version of the Second Coming of Christ. That's what i took from it. Donnie gets to see what his life would be like had he not died, just like Jesus did before he was crucified. He realises he needs to die and is at peace with it, knowing this. As a result, he absolves everyone of their sins and demons - which is why everyone is seen releasing their emotions at the end, as if they had all shared Donnie's what-if adventure through time, and were now filled with regret and remorse (Swayze) or what seemed like love (his sister) or just contentment (his mother). I liked it, mainly because other people got something else from it. I find it ironic that some people treat the film like the Second Coming of Jesus, and choose to either worship or crucify it, when really, they missed the point of it all along.

I thought Donnie Darko was a pretty decent movie, as far as movies go anymore... You want a convoluted abstract supernatural plot? Try "K-Pax"! Watch that and try not to feel brain raped. Back to Donnie Darko, I didn't find it's emotional atmosphere or it's scientific notions to be too difficult to follow at all. Then again, I can sit still and pay attention to a movie for more than ten minutes without needing to pick or scratch something. Both Donnie Darko and S. Darko require the viewer's undivided attention. They've both got the same "blink and you miss something" sequencing. The first time I watched S. Darko, I went to the bathroom and by the time I got back living people had switched places with dead people. So, of course, I had to back it up and pick it up where I left off. As in life, attention is vital to comprehension. So if you're going to watch a movie with friends, you might want to consider watching it alone first. And why is it so hard to comprehend the idea that intellectual resolution was what the delay in his death was all about? The powers that were in his 'pocket-verse' wanted him to have understood the consequences (and body count) of his continued existence, and come to resolution through the acceptance of the need for his death to save those he loved to put it all back the way it was meant to play out. The same as in S. Darko where Iraq Jack effectively took up Donnie's torch just with a different deck stacked against him. "The Princess" intervened with Iraq Jack the same way Fred intervened with Donnie. Iraq Jack had a shit-ton of stuff to put to bed before he could shuffle himself loose the mortal coil. OMG! Something JUST occured to me! The Crow and it's subsequent, all too familiar, yet twisted sequels! Ok, random thought aside, I liked S. Darko even as a stand alone flick. I even put it on my half.com wishlist. My best advice is to watch Donnie then S. right behind it. There is a feel of continuity to them. Whether it's a cheesy checklist as implied above or not, I really don't care. It's a mind rollercoaster that you have to hang on to and pay attention to. If you overthink it and over analyze it, you're going to miss the allusions. There are subtleties, and there are flat facts in both movies. Donnie is in either a 'pocket-verse' or for those of you who are aquainted with temporal strand theories (time philosophy), he's in a paradoxial strand (or splinter) reconciling the necessity to return to the original strand. If you want to be technical about it, either could be applicable. I do like all the tie-ins and wrap-ups in the sequel. Her poem about Ariel and Prince Justin. Then Iraq Jack calls her "The Princess". A subtlety and a flat fact combined. It continues the theme of self fulfilling prophecies like Donnie commiting the murder that created his innitial savior. If repetition is so annoying in a sequel, it ought to at least make understanding the first one a little easier for those who didn't "get it". Here's a thought, at the end, Donnie, Cory and Iraq Jack resign to their fates and it all falls into place for them. Donnie in his car, and Iraq Jack in his head gear, Cory in the other car too, they all intellectually resolve to commit themselves to whatever it is that fate or destiny requires of them to set things to rights. Resolution is the theme in both movies as is peace the goal.

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