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Bruckheimer Reveals PRINCE OF PERSIA Footage!!
Merrick here...
Seems ABC recently ran some sort of special about movies, although when it actually aired seems to be something of a mystery (if you know any more about this, please drop a mention into the Talkbacks below).
During the show, Jerry Bruckheimer premiered some footage from PRINCE OF PERSIA, which has hit The Net via the YouTube embed below.
The Mike Newell directed film opens next Summer, so this is a reasonably advanced look at the project.
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First time being first. Had to do it.
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Damn
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This looks lame.
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I guess it's somewhat encouraging to see film sets with thousands of people and hundreds of living breathing horses instead of green screens and CGI...
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Why can't we get an, oh, I don't know...A FUCKING PERSIAN in the lead role in this? Too Iranian, right? How about an Iraqi or an Indian? Or a Turk? Anything but an All American white boy. Ridiculous Hollywood crap.
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It's not a real adaptation.
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this don't look like franchise material
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May 11, 2009 9:52:11 AM CDT
Dying on Spikes, Then Crashing Into Things on a Flying Carpet
by kevinwillis.net
Are there going to be any flying carpets in this thing? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I thought in the games there were monsters and stuff, controlling of time, crazy fighting moves and the like. This looks boring.
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Indiana Jones and The Mummy Fight the Scorpion King in the Forbidden Temple Cave of Aladdin.There were some copyright issues, so they changed it.
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...Prince of the Caribbean. I mean Pirates of Persia. Whatever. Gyllenhaal can act, so probably best not to judge until it's been seen...
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" I want to do more of Don Simpson's leftover coke off Jake's ass"
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I'm with Peter Franks on this one. Bad casting.
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You never played the original Prince of Persia game, did you?
The rest of you fuckers - try not to condemn a movie before it's even finished. Seriously, why the fuck do you keep coming to a site about movies when it's obvious you have no fucking interest in them?!! -
May 11, 2009 9:58:59 AM CDT
Wow,so the couldn't find a Persian or Arabic in Hollywood?
by hollywoodhellraiser
Jake looks like a 60' hippie in this shit! How the hell does he supposed to be a Persian is beyond me!
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May 11, 2009 10:00:03 AM CDT
the prince of america?!?!? still pissed he isn't persian
by ronniepooch
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May 11, 2009 10:02:26 AM CDT
Oded Fehr would had been boss in this and they go with Jake?!
by hollywoodhellraiser
At least Oded Fehr can kick ass and convincingly I might add! Jake is a decent actor but he a wimp and no one, NO ONE, is going to buy this guy in this role!
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and shouldn't the hero have platinum blond hair and drink beakers of potion?
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Looks really bad, Jake, wtf are you doing!?
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Just lacks any sense of cool. In fact, it looks extremely uncool. I agree with the Scorpion King analogies.
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steaming crap
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...but for some reason old brokeback boy in this role really does annoy me, they couldnt find someone Persian? As peeps say above Oded Fehr would have been great, hell even cast an Indian Asian like the chaps who plays Mohinder in Heroes, my wife and ladies where I work really dig him so I am sure would have been a popular choice.
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I wouldnt be suprised if Parkour is extremely underplayed or possibly even completely ignored in this movie. Casting someone who isn't already a traceur is the first indication that the director isn't interested in the parkour focus of the story. It's the same thing with hollywood over and over again- they ALWAYS miss the point.
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Persians came to the land now known as Iran by way of the Caucasus Mountians. Persians are WHITE. Whether you idiots want to admit it/understand it or not. Oh yeah, this movie looks like a huge FAIL.
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Persians do not speak Arabic. They speak Farsi.
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Jake looks like a big fag.
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I doubt that actors, or wannabe actors, of Middle-Eastern decent did not apply for this role. Of course, they were turned away being told that their ethnicity wasn't good enough to play...THEIR ethnicity and Hollywood gave it to another white actor.
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READ what I wrote.
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Specifically, a huge, big-budget possible franchise-starting film and get butts in the seats? No? Okay then. THAT's why they didn't cast a real Persian in the role.
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No footage or mention of the stunt-inspired gameplay. That fighting didn't look particularly acrobatic or fluid. What a complete ass-raping of a game just to get their money-grubbing hands on the name. They could have called this movie anything.
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May 11, 2009 10:52:26 AM CDT
I'll give you something to admit it/understand it or not
by mr incredible
Nobody gives a shit where Persians came from. And neither did Bruckheimer when casting this movie. It's stunt casting for movie demographics, plain and simple. Don't look for historical accuracy from a movie based on a video game where a guy can run on walls and reverse time.
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feel about M Night. casting a bunch of white kids for Air Bender?
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If we are to not "look for historical accuracy from a movie based on a video game where a guy can run on walls and reverse time" then why would the pick of Oded Fehr be any better?
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That's some fucking shape he got in. Jeebus.
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Why would an Israeli Jew (Oded Fehr) be any better than an American Jew (Jake Gyllenhaal)?
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READ what I wrote.
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When I first heard of Jake's casting I was like 'wtf' just like everyone else. But then the first shot of him in costume sold it. It's not as though he looks very Iranian in the game FFS.
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In all seriousness. Why do you believe Oded Fehr would make a better casting choice than Gay Jake?
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As in, it looks like shit.
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You should check your facts before you call those other guys "historically challenged". You're wrong.
Caucasian doesn't mean people who originated in the caucuses. The name originated in that way, because a nutjob German scientist called Blumenbach came up with it. His theory has long since been classed as wishful thinking/nonsense. It was also later used by Hitler to back up his Aryan bullshit.
Caucasian also doesn't mean white, although people mistakenly think it does. Just because someone is caucasian, that doesn't mean they're white.
I'm adopted, but my biological parents are Scottish & Irish & I'm originally from the cold, wet, north of England. That makes me the pastiest man alive. If a Persian stood next to me, I'd look like Casper the friendly ghost. -
I'm not saying that's a good thing. I just hope he has to fight a giant evil bunny at the end.
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She's one mighty troll!
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There are different racial makeups of the human race. We have the Caucasoid, the Negroid, and the Mongoloid. Its a fact. Persians are Caucasian. Also, he name of the country known as "Iran" comes from the word "Aryan." Look it up. And, of course a Persian is going to look darker than you, the weather is going to dictate the way people look and evolve. You could take the Pastiest white guy and plant him in Africa. Guess what, after a few hundred years his ancestors are definitely going to be natuarlly darker.
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That you could waste your time and that of those 1000 other people to make such drivel. Go fuck a coyboy.
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If not, it's not a faithful adaptation.
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First of all thanks for your race 101 but I don't need to know there are different races.
I never disputed that. You said Caucasians came from the caucuses & caucasian means white. I simply pointed out that neither is true.
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I know where the name Iran comes from. I know where the word Aryan comes from. You're telling a guy with a phd in History to look it up.
You're confusing the issue. Simply put even some Asians are technically caucasian. Doesn't mean they're white. Caucasian doesn't mean white & the name comes from an invalid theory. We just stuck with it.
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Look up the history of the Persian people and you will see that they can indeed be traced to the Caucasus Mt's region. So I guess what I wrote was not untrue.
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Harry will be giddy over this one...even more so after the studio begins its media push here (and it will) and sends Harry all kinds of props from the film, invites him on set...etc. Same old story...
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My point was that a Persian can look white.People were posting "why isn't he Arab or middle eastern looking" when in fact a Persian is probably more white than a "Middle Eastern" who is more than likely of Semitic Descent. Congrats on the History phd. I myself am working on one as well.
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Why do you think Oded Fehr would NOT be good in this role? And what does Fehr or Gyllenhaal being Jews have to do with anything?
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What you wrote was wrong in your assertion that coming from the caucuses means you're white. It doesn't.
Because there's a difference between that invalid theory & the reality of caucasian. First of all, there is no proof to back up Blumenbach's theory. In fact, most scientists think it's just the ramblings of an idiot. In short, he made it up. White people didn't originate from the caucuses,(although we kept the name) even if Persians did originate there.
& as I said, caucasian never applied solely to white people anyway. People just assume that it does. So to say "Persians originated from the caucuses, therefore they're white" is wrong, because that isn't where white people came from. -
Forget everything you know, including the fact that Gyllenhaal doesn't resemble a Persian.
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May 11, 2009 11:34:38 AM CDT
I WOULDN'T EXPECT GYLLENHAAL TO PLAY AN ITALIAN, MUCH LESS PERSI
by bringingsexyback
but then again I'm not casting for Jerry Bruckheimer, where apparently anything goes.
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I mean, yes, Jake is a white guy starring a Persian prince--which itself makes absolutely no sense and is kind of offensive in general.
But Jake's typically a good actor. And for all of the similarities with Scorpion King, I felt that movie was actually a pretty decent, enjoyable popcorn flick. And sword-and-sandal epics are usually a pretty entertaining genre in general. Sure, I don't expect this to have the drama and gravitas of Gladiator, but it at least looks fun. -
Of course. When is he *not* busy?
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There had better be. I am not sitting through this without monsters.
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it's been proven. It's like the laws of gravity.
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I like Oded Fehr but he isn't a big enough name to carry a film on his own. The reason I brought up their Jewish backgrounds was because although they are both Jewish, they do in fact look different. I was wondering if you were implying if Oded Fehr simply "looked the part.
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This is the second TB I've seen on this film where the main topic of discussion is the race of the actor. That should tell ya how uninteresting the film itself is.
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AS another person currently working on a phd in history I am going to have to agree with The Dark Shite. Caucasian is not a designation of skin color but rather bone structure. Plus I do not believe the darker skin of Persians today is a result of environment but rather a result of intermingling with other races. Of course this is theory but it really is all moot as this movie looks terrible anyway.
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May 11, 2009 11:51:46 AM CDT
IF JAKE GYLLENHAAL IS JEWISH, I'M THE QUEEN OF NAIROBI
by bringingsexyback
That nose is straight-up Nordic.
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what is happening to the last airbender is waaaaaaaayyyy more offensive. At least to Asians. Most white Caucasians, not all just most of the ones I've met, seem to think white people were everywhere and did everthing important on the planet. Well Hollywood seems to think that way. Also just because they do this casting to make money does not make it right. Plenty of racists business practices are considered unethical and immoral. Just because it's done to make money does not make it any less offensive.
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It's all about money. The studios think the average American movie-goer won't watch a film carried by an Asian. In truth they never tried it (unless you count the likes of Jackie Chan & Jet Li etc, who made their own break throughs success on video etc, before finally being given a chance.
It's pretty fucked up really. I read something the other day about some actor who was said to have "All American" looks. What does that even mean in a country of immigrants?
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Where all the Egyptians were White dudes.
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you idiots. you're all sooo fucking dumb.
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ugh. looks like a sci-fi movie. nice lookin hair on gyllenhall's weird shaped head, though.
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Dear God, I regret to inform you of your epic fail in regards to Jerry Bruckheimer's face. Did you not realize, as you created his face, that it would eventually piss me off? You should have thought about that. Oh yeah, and the guy single handedly fucked modern action films into the ground. Plus, it's his fault we also have to see Michael Bay's failed face. Ugh...
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And a great one at that! I think I'll wait a year and a 1/2 to pick it up out of the bargain bin at BEST BUY. They price according to quality.
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May 11, 2009 12:16:32 PM CDT
IF THEY'RE WHITE WHAT THE HELL THEY DOING IN PERSIA??
by bringingsexyback
Not logical!
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but that's okay I'm probably not going to be looking at his hair for most of this movie anyway.
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You're right. All the Persians were probably like "Oh great! Here comes the neighborhood." ;) j/k
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I don't think it's gonna be that kind of movie.
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Unless your father's gay.
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Oh shit, that doesn't bode well at all. Jerry B did turn a theme park ride into a multi-billion dollar franchise, though, so what the fuck do we know?In fact, his films have grossed somewhere in the region of $4,038,269,965.00 (wow what a lucky guess!) so maybe we ought to cut him some slack seeing as he appears to have the wallets of the general public in his right hand.And insisting that people be cast according to race is so non-sensical: for a start it would be illegal to do such a thing in Europe as equality rules exist concerning employment (I've no idea what the laws are for the rest of the world) and, secondly, it kinda negates the word 'acting' if you refuse somebody the chance to adopt and represnt , in this case on film, qualities they may or may not already possess, be they mental or physical. My example would be Toby Kebbell in 'Dead Man's Shoes' - that is the single best piece of acting I have EVER seen. I honestly thought it was somebody with a mental disability doing an incredible piece of acting, then I discovered it was a vastly talented actor doing his shit to the 'nth' degree. I thought Robert Downey Jnr had stopped idiots from debating this with 'Tropic Thunder'...*sigh*
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just in time before this movie throws the shit to the fan.
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Fact: Gefilte Fish from the Gulf of Bothnia is just that much tastier
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...and still make $300 million.
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May 11, 2009 12:30:27 PM CDT
What Iranian actors would be an international box office draw?
by thegoddamnsiege
That's right. None of them. Can any of you even NAME an Iranian actor?
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... and Four Weddings And A Funeral".I wonder if they will put that in the poster.
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Don't bring up gefilte fish please.
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Fath Ali Oveisi
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... but not as we know it".
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Just like I do.
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What about the iranian girl in Body Of Lies? She's hot!!
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Jake's head does not match his muscle-freak body. They might as way have Carrot Top in the lead role.
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Poor Bastard.
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...to think that some people actually care so much about a video game (wtf?!?) that they feel the film will not do it justice.That is just fucking risible...and comes somewhere below people who get worked up if the film doesn't do the TV show justice, which falls below people who give a flying fuck about whether or not the film pays homage to the cartoon strip which inspired it, found just below the idiots who seethe about the respect paid to their graphic novel/comic book, who lie dismally below the fuckwits who moan about the lack of cohesion between the film version and their adored novel. Standing atop this pile, pissing on everyone below him is Sylvester Stallone (who is wearing a strap-on dildo at the same time so that he can fuck the arse out of each and every franchise he has ever appeared in)!!I'm not on the right site for these sorts of views, am I?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Pasdar
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his dad is
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This guy has real action hero qualities! Okay, he's not persian, but does anybody care that he isn't from Iraq either, although he plays one in LOST?
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another Iranian actor
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..as if this film won't go directly to the Wal-Mart DVD trough.
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...Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He's got to be an actor because nobody could come out with the nonsense he does and be playing it straight.He's a name, he's certainly Iranian. It could work. Christ, people go to watch films with Pauly Shore and Kevin James in them, so who knows what shit people will pay a handful of dollars to watch.
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Meow!
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World class. 'Bachelor Party':"If I was that kid, I would breast feed until I was seventeen or eighteen...Lean in a little more, Mrs. Klupner....." & "I wish I had someone I could really respect. Hey, look at the cans on that bimbo!". Classic.
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For everything. Bachelor Party 2!
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In my dreams! Apparently the guy who played Brad was eager to get a sequel on the go. Might be tricky as that guy who played Rick went on to have something of a stellar career. And I'm guessing that Monique Gabrielle no longers cuts the mustard as Debbie. Now that shit got me through puberty.
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for his comeback.
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May 11, 2009 1:15:12 PM CDT
ZMED'S HAIR USED BY NASA AS FOUNDATION FOR SPACE FARMING
by bringingsexyback
It has a unique, nutrient-rich composition.
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...maybe they could cook up a script whereby he has divorced Debbie, settled for the porsche instead during a midlife crisis and now feels the time to try out a tricky second marriage...
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LOTR - Aragorn? who is that?, Harry Potter, The Narnia Movies, hell Chris Pike is an unknown in Star Trek. and why ARE their unknown minorities? because of the BULLSHIT racism in hollywood like this that mainly lets white actors thrive. its built from the ground up this way, with all the excuses to boot. you cant make excuses for this kinda shit. u ALWAYS hear hollywood saying "an unknown would be great for this" - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. but the fact is, unknown minorities NEVER get the chance, while white men always do. racist hollywood at its best, and i fucking hate how AICN never seems to go there. yall remind me of my wack ass film history professor at UCLA, pining for the golden days.
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Monique Gabrielle played Tracy, not Debbie. I must have been going blind with all that wanking in '84. Goddamn hairy palms make it tricky to type, too.
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Did you actually think they would let a Persian play a Persian? LOL
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And I hope the Prince sounds like your typical American homeboy... it's important that they nail things and the setting down right exactly like in the recent game to stay faithful to it!
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Mel Gibson has the stigma of being a racist because of his Nazi dad and anti semetic rant, but yet he casted practically unknown ethnically correct actors for Apocalypto that did a great job acting. Whether or not that movie could have made more money if it were cast with white actors is another story.
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Known actors are distracting because of all the celebrity garbage they bring to screen, like Brad Pitt and George Clooney. Unless you are a true professional, and you become the character, as Bale became Connor, then your belief system is easily suspended.
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Mel's dad is not a Nazi.
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Oh..so you've seen T4 already? lol
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I thought his dad was an admitted anti semite and nazi sympathizer. I guess i'm wrong.
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I wish.
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It never ceases to amaze Rickey how every AICN talkback at some point manages to devolve into some sort of weird conversation involving Jews that Rickey is never certain is zionist or is anti zionist but magnificent weirdness abounds within nonetheless.
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"Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an informal adage created by Mike Godwin in 1990. The adage states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches."
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This flick wishes it could be so awesome.
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These same dumbasses would have wanted to cast Zack Efron and Vanessa Hudgens for the lead roles in "Slumdog Millionare".
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The probability is even higher when the discussion is about a movie with somewhat controversial casting involving race.
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Scott Stapp looks ripped.
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And in situations like this, Rickey can never tell who's being sarcastic and who genuinely doesn't like Jews because everyone makes completely over the top comments...
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gets fucked by really ugly men one after the other for two interminable hours. It should've been called Butterface the motion picture but instead it was called Sherrybaby, By the time she was banging some mulleted dude in a laundry room I wanted it to stop.
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Rare for a producer. He's someone I'd actually enjoy talking with.
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or something else?
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lol sir, lol. creed sucks.
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More Aryan than we are. But having stated that bit of trivia, I agree that Jake G. is ridiculous in any role that requires manliness.
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So that makes me an expert. And except for being generally better looking, with cleaner, sharper features, they look Mediterranean. They are much better looking than Jake, by the way.
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seem to be suggesting they should have cast an Arab in the Persian role.
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Probably the fastest way to insult an Iranian is to call him an Arab.
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kingdom from ridley scott!
there we had the same problem a pretty boy who fukks the movie up and is totally unbelievable as alead or badass!
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Mike Newell directing, Jake Gyllenhall starring, a big budget -- to me these are very good things. I like the monetary freedom and both of these guys.
Unfortunately, to be blunt, I HATE video game movies. HATE them! Every game shits the bed when asked to become a movie. It just does. For so many reasons.
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...is a moron. Learn a thing or two about the business of film making before making such an ignorant comment. It's all about casting a known commodity, i.e. a fucking MOVIE STAR. Say what you want about Jake G., he is a big name star who will bring big box office to the opening weekend. Studios rely on movie stars for big budget pictures like this. That's why they get payed so much. Name one Persian or Middle Eastern actor who is even 1/10th as famous and marketable as Jake G. Can't? That's because there are none. This is business, not an exercise in political correctness.And by the way, it's called ACTING for a reason. You play someone or something that you are not.
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Lay off Gyllenhaal, people. He's a very good actor with solid and varied credits to his name. He'll do everything he can, I'm sure, to give a good performance of a Persian, even if he isn't really Persian.
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And to think Mel lobbied hard to be cast as Oskar Schindler for Spielberg's movie. I can't help to see some irony in this. I can't also help to see the irony that would be later f Mel had gone on his anti-semite rants and with him having played a savior of jews in a movie before. That shit would had been hysterical.
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Nice guy? The kind of movies he makes, it's obvious he has the most pure hatred for the whole of mankind.
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I agree with you, however Ben Kingsley is in fact of Indian descent. His birth name was Krishna Pandit Bhanji. Nothing to do with this talkback but Freddie Mercury was also of Indian descent.
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except brokeback mountain which was a sleeper and then got oscar nominations and became a hit?!
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Not only persian, he was also zorastrian, the ancient persian empire religion of the time of the battle of Thermopylae.
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The Day The Earth Got Cold, aka, The Day After Tomorrow?
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Typo correction
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I need a real trailer before i have a real opinion on this....does anyone have the screenplay?....Kwalified@gmail.com
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I knew my "Bruckheimer seems like a nice guy" comment would offend somebody. God forbid anybody make anything other than a woefully disparaging remark on these talkbacks. He genuinely seems to like the movies he's involved with, more than just throwing money at them. And as for his movies... if you don't enjoy Pirates of the Caribbean, I don't know what to tell you.
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Yes. You're a bad person. If you enjoy something, and don't hate everything, you're a bad person.
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These are the sequels Hanks needs to do instead of Angels and Demons. Fuck it, get him to be in the Munich sequel with Sir Bana.
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"Man putting Meg Ryan in that was a total Gyllenhaal."
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Leave the old man alone you fuckheads.
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I guess everyone deep down wants to be an action star, even if that means doing a videogame adaptation.No less one about an earth destroying sandstorm...ugh. Prince of Persia was never known for its stories, its just a fun supernatural parkour simulator. I just cannot see this being worth watching.
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It looks like Wolverine, in that while there's nothing "wrong" with it and it doesn't look "bad", there's nothing that makes me stand up and actually want to go see it. It looks like it's wallowing in the same pit of boring that Wolvie did.
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Honestly...Harry picks some OBSCURE shit to dedicate corner animations to.
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May 11, 2009 3:53:02 PM CDT
All Bruckheimer can say about his leads is they look good
by industrykiller!
That guy is everything in Hollywood that needs to die.
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...Naveen Andrews or James Callis in this role. Like Jake Gyllenhaal, think he's a great actor in the right role, but even his beard looks stuck on in this.
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Believe it or not we don't all look like Osama Fucking Bin Laden. Why are we in Persia? Because centuries ago we migrated there, duh! As a Persian, I can honestly say Gyllenhaal is perfectly acceptable casting.
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But he loves your wallets!
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How about we pick Mel Gibson to play Obama in a biopic?
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So the basement dwellers hate him.
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Type in Persia into Wikipedia. Directs you to Iran. It hasn't been Persia since 1935. Sorry Iranians. You just have to call yourselves Iranians from now on. Don't worry, we won't judge you
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Just because the name of the country changed doesn't mean the country was wiped off the face planet. And just so you know, Iranian = Nationality, Persian = Ethnic Background
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Are you really Persian and do most Persians consider themselves to be a type of "White"? Don't be messing around, because if you aren't telling the truth, there are going to be a lot of dumber people around here spreading ignorance. So please be telling the truth.
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Haaz Sleiman impressed me in "The Visitor" last year. I don't mix up my Arabs and Persians or anything, but I think he could have done this. Not that this movie ever had a chance of being anything but terrible.
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. . . too bad. I thought the games were well made. God Of War totaly ripped the gameplay off.
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Still think the beard looks stuck on.
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Now that's good casting!
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This looks woefully lame. Scorpion King redux.
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CG Jake Gylenhaal will be made to run up walls and fight 100 foot tall monsters when he's created in post production.
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I am serious, we are white. The reason why a lot of us don't look "white" is because around 600 to 650 AD, a bunch of Arabs invaded the Sassanid Persian Empire, sacked our cities, and raped our women because "Allah told them to." However, today there are still many Persians who retain the old Aryan features such as a typical white skin tone and light colored eyes. During the ancient age, our darker skinned neighbors nicknamed us the "white race" because of our contrast in skin color compared to theirs.
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Eric brings a touch of class to any project. I love these games and seriously want to love the idea of a film but a) game adaptations that work? and b) game adaptations that work? I stand waiting to be convinced.
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how Jake isn't Iranian and then someone brings up Ahmadinejad, all I can think of is this video: http://tinyurl.com/b97lqa
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I see what you're saying, I just can't visualise Jake in this role. To be fair my thoughts on the role are based upon a few video game covers and a character rendered out of polygons.
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I'm looking forward to loads of beards in this movie
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But if I had that much power I would do the same things.
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Oh wait
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a typically Persian look. He has a Northern European look. I've worked with Iranians, dated one, etc. None of them looked like Jake Gylenhaal. So while there may be people walking around that look like him in Iran, he's not exactly the face I conjure to mind when I think "Persian". Forget whether he's white or off white, that has very little to do with it. It's his face. It's a Nordic face. Sometimes Northern Europeans can pull of anyone straight through the Caucasus down into India, a la Ben Kingsley in Gandhi or Alec Guinness in Lawrence of Arabia. But they have to have one of those specific faces that goes both ways. This just looks silly, like he's playing Aladdin. I don't even know why I've even bothered to type this ramble, this movie looks like shit and now I've wasted valuable time thinking about it.
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May 11, 2009 5:31:12 PM CDT
Apparently Will Smith originally signed for the lead
by christian_bale_trashed_my_lights
..until he re-read the script and was heard to scream:"I thought this was The Prince Of Bell-Air! Aw hell naw!"
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Maybe they can get Lucas and Spielberg to rape PoP after they're done with Indy?
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He looks like a West Hollywood personal trainer. I take back my last post in its entirety and replace it with this one. He should look a bit more like he comes from ancient Persia, instead of Orange County. That's the real problem here. Perfect hair, tan, muscles, skin, on a dude that is already pretty to begin with. No amount of Aladdin costumes will overcome that.
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It's his great great great great great great great grandfather's.
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AND I RANNNNNNNNNN SO FARRRRRRRRR A WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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You missed one "great." Get it right you imbecile.
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Rodrigo Santoro to reprise his role from 300
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Regards, BSB
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I understand what you're saying. True, the sculpted greek god OC bodybuilder look is over the top. But then again, its a movie based on the Prince of Persia video games. What's going to fit the bill more? A Nordic looking bodybuilder, or a fat Saddam Hussein lookalike? Could you imagine Conan The Barbarian being played by someone who looks like say, Adam Corolla?
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How about you do it for me, eh? You sound like an intelligent guy who knows everything. Heh, a petty little Persian like myself doesn't really know his way around those "internets."
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And I understand what you're saying, but I don't think we moviegoers should have to settle for mediocrity just because that's the way things go. Someone brought up Apocalypto earlier. Great example. Rudy Youngblood is Comanche, not Mayan, but it hardly mattered because Mel Gibson created a convincing enough world that wasn't full of anachronisms and verisimilitude fuck ups and stupid Hollywood stunt casting. (yeah yeah, some of the historical details were wrong, inevitable for a historical epic 99% of the time) Just think about it: the very fact that someone, somewhere, cast Jake Gylenhaal as "The Prince of Persia" is an insult to our collective intelligence. Even for a video game movie. Heaven forbid a real Persian or at least someone from the general area land a starring role in a big studio action picture and maybe turn it into a career.
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Ol' Jerry certainly seems to like to make money out of the gullibility of the audiences and to do that bty delievering movies that systematically insult everybody's intelligence. Yeah, what a guy!
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Was unquestionably perfect casting, as the character was always portrayed to look like him. Whereas Gylenhaal as Prince of Persia is a resounding WTF from nearly everyone. I didn't say the character couldn't be ripped, just that he shouldn't look like he just stepped away from a Men's Health photo shoot for a make-up touch up.
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Mark my words!!!
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Again, I agree. My qualm isn't the fact that they DIDN'T cast a Persian, but that people quickly dismissed the casting of Gylenhaal. Apocalypto is a great point, but ultimately different from this case for one reason, the casting of Gylenhaal is a little more accurate than people give credit for. Now if Gylenhaal was the ONLY white guy cast, while everyone else looked like a modern day Middle Easterner, then I'd see why people would think "WTF." But based on the clips we've seen (granted, not a lot of clips) the type of actors cast have been consistent. Why fault the casting of Gyllenhaal and overlook Gemma Arterton? Gísli Örn Garðarsson, a Scandinavian was cast in this movie - does he not fit the bill either, because imho he could pass for an ancient Persian, possibly even a modern day Persian (i.e. hairy chest, lol).
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"I didn't say the character couldn't be ripped, just that he shouldn't look like he just stepped away from a Men's Health photo shoot for a make-up touch up." ROFL!!!!!!!!!! Ok, you win!
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Because "literally" thousands of people worked hard on the film, and I just sat in my trailer, counted my money and shot roids all day.
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...who can open a Bruckheimer movie.
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If they changed it to something else it could be that movie formally know as Prince of Persia... But anyway, I guess it's nice to see them actually shooting on location with a real set and everything rather than greenscreening it all... I just can't get over how much of an ass Jake Gyllenhaal looks.
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I'll quote you: "I am serious, we are white. The reason why a lot of us don't look "white"...." etc etc
If you don't LOOK white, you aren't white. White isn't a race, it's a skin tone.
& as already established above, Caucasian doesn't mean white either. Maybe you should read the whole TB, you might learn something.
Same goes for Johnnyangel who thinks the word Aryan means white. It doesn't. Both words have been corrupted.
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Ok, then so what do 'Caucasian' and 'Aryan' actually mean. Please answer in the context of this film, Iranian ethnicity, people of western European descent and Nazi policy. Word limit: 600.
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played the Prince of Persia? Would that have been better? It'd still be gay-ish.
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Sorry for being one of those people who knows stuff on a TB instead of just talking shit & trying to convince people it's true. I'm having breakfast. Read a book. Or google it.
Then you can be a smartypants too. Hope that meets your word limit. -
Read further up the TB. I've already said where the term Caucasian comes from & that it's a fallacy. A Tber called Sokitome explained the term Caucasian very well. If you can't be bothered to read the TB, I'm not gonna do your homework for ya.
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Jake is handsome? Both he and his sister are funny looking. At least we know why he got ripped though. The subject and "arena" of this movie sounds boring to me. Pirates (as in Captain Jack Sparrow, not Somalian) cool, Persians??? Belong in a deep hole...as in..."THIS IS SPARTA!!!!" :)
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If you wanna understand Caucasian, read above.
It's complicated, but to give you a basic meaning, Aryan comes from the Latin "Arianus." In Iranian (NOT Persian) languages, it refers to themselves as a people. But it also refers to people who speak various types of North Indic languages & it would seem they have a shared linguistic past with some Indians.
If you read above, you'll see the confusion comes from a guy called Blumenbach, who gave the name Caucasian to people who he claimed came from the caucuses, but he was wrong, although we kept the name.
This led to Hitler's bullshit about Aryans which, despite the fact that he was a loony, has still somehow managed to take on the meaning of "blonde haired, blue eyed" etc, when actually it's quite the opposite. There ya go! -
That people like BacardiRocky are saying "Persians originated from the caucuses, which is why they're white." However, white people didn't come from the caucuses, nor did Caucasians, despite the name & Caucasian never meant white anyway.
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I vote ESTRADA!
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Thanks. I was genuinely interested. I saw the previous posts but the information was somewhat piecemeal.
Bet you never thought your PhD would be put to such good use ;) -
I was enjoying my breakfast. I'll probably get heartburn now.
Yeah, that was my aim. Study for years so I can eventually write on a talkback about a movie that looks really, really shit. Seriously, who really wants to see that crap? -
WATCH the action scene with the guy in the armor swinging his spear/axe, veerrrrrryyyyyy slowwwlly toward Jake. Is this movie a joke? The action looks as choreographed as two dudes playing lightsaber while grossly overweight on YouTube. You know the video I mean. You're IN the video I mean!
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not everyone should be buff, it just looks wierd, this whole movie really looks like it's going to suck.
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Holy god this looks bad... I don't even have anything else to say other than JG as the Prince is bad casting on a level most films never reach.
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...and that old fuck with the Fedora and the whip? I HATE snakes!!!
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a cock in the ass.
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A V A T A R.December.N O T H I N G E L S E M A T T E R S.
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Which bandwagon are you going to hitch a ride on come January. Avatar 2? Oh, sorry A V A T A R 2? I D O H O P E A V A T A R I S A S G O O D A S Y O U E X P E C T I T T O B E O T H E R W I S E Y O U H A V E W A S T E D A L O T O F T I M E T Y P I N G T H I S S H I T !
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The whole thing looks stupid. I can't buy Jake in that role.
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that it doesnt involve monsters, time control, or acrobatics at all from what i can tell.
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Mark my woids...
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...here at AICN. Next thing you know some gutless hacker will nuke your website.Though it's a good excuse for Jake to buff up, who (beyond gamers familiar with it) will watch this movie? Where's the general audience? I smell more flopping than a summer flounder on the beach.
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Its your assertion that Persians aren't white.
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The Queen of Nairobi posts here! Wow, so we're amongst royalty.
Seriously though, I think it's about the right time to f off the whole nose thing. -
I'm not making assertions. Other people have been making assertions, based on disproven theories & a misunderstanding of terms such as Caucasian & Aryan.
In other words, that caucasians are white people-not true.
That Caucasians came from the caucuses-not true.
That Aryan means white people/people from the caucuses-not true.
The only time I mentioned colour, was to point out that white is a skin tone & not a race. Therefore, if a person doesn't look white, they aren't white. So it's ridiculous to say "We're white, but some of us don't look white."
That's like me saying "The Human race is said to have originated in Africa, therefore I'm black. I just look white." That would be ridiculous right?
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Don't try to trap me into some kind of racism bullshit. All I did, was quote historical fact, to clear up the confusion on the TB, regarding terms like caucasian.
I notice you haven't made any kind of counter-argument to those facts either. Probably because they're undisputable.
If you can't reply with facts, that's ok. You don't have to resort to playing the race card. That's not cool & I'm not dumb enough to be dragged into it.
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There is nothing in your posts to suggest you are racist, nor is there anything in mine to imply that I am trying to "trap" you in any way (frankly I find it odd that you would even think it), so don't worry you can lower your guard.
When I used the term "white" I was referencing its more commonly used racial connotation. Obviously there are different shades of white, that isn't my point of issue here.
The issue is the subject of racial background. My assertion is that Persians are white (there's that word again) or Aryan. Our base race is the same as yours. Take me for example, from my mother's side I'm Persian (her skin tone is white, in case you were wondering), from my father's side I have Persian as well as Turkish, Cossack, Mongol, and German ancestry. However, all of my friends didn't know that I had those roots until I revealed that fact. They all thought I was just a white English guy (born and raised in Middlesex). When I moved to America, everyone again thought I was just your everyday white guy. Even my Persian friends admitted to me that they wouldn't have thought that I was Persian if I hadn't told them.
Anyway, my point remains. We are not Arabs, our racial origin is Aryan. Our true skin tone is white. We did not originate from the Caucasus, though some us settled there. If you disagree, then I guess we are at impasse. -
Isn't white. Aryan refers to peoplke who spoke a shared North Indic language. Various people from what is now modern day Iran & parts of India etc. Definitely NOT white people.
I never said you were Arabs. All I did was reply to the posters above who used words like "caucasian" & "Aryan" without understanding that even some Asians are technically caucasian. It doesn't mean white & Aryan doesn't mean white at all. In fact, any Aryan influence on Persian immigrants comes from the the native Iranians, not the other way round. That's just historical fact & to confuse Aryan with Hitler's version of Aryan would be a big mistake. The thinking seems to be "We're white, we were immigrants & therefore Aryan." No. The Aryan people were the ones who were already there. The dark skinned fellas.
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I didn't say you orginated from the caucuses. Other people said that, as a way of saying "we're caucasian", which is why I got involved in this stupid TB in the first place. I was assuming Persian people would know their own point of origin more than I do & took them at their word.
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that the above posters are even telling the truth that Persian people were immigrants to that land. I'm not so sure myself.
I only know about terms like Aryan & Caucasian, because my field of expertise is war & propaganda. In order to understand thye likes of hitler etc, I need to understand the origins. -
According to Dr. Robert Bamban, an Iranian-Armenian American historian (who has two Phds, a History teacher at Pepperdine University, and, incidentally, a personal friend) disagrees with you. According to him, Aryans/Indo-Europeans are white (I never said Aryan MEANT white). You see the Iranian tribe of Aryans (my people, the other tribes were celts, germanic people, Armenians and other Southern European people) migrated from the Eurasian steppes (Southern Siberia) and settled down in present day Iran.
The theory you seem to be a proponent of is the Out of India theory. There is evidence that Aryans were in that region, however they most likely settled there (as opposed to being natives) since the native people were in fact Dravidian (the dark skinned fellas).
And I never said that you implied or stated that we were Arabs, I was merely trying to illustrate my point. As for Hitler.... the less said about him the better. -
I've never heard of this Banbam guy & him having 2 phds just means he's probably richer than me & could study for longer instead of getting a real job. So I don't like him:-).
What I know is that Aryan simply refers to a shared liguistic heritage. I also know about Dravidians.
The thing I took exception to with your post, was the notion that a person is white, even if they don't look white.
A person's ancestral heritage is irrelevant. For example, my wife is Korean-Japanese. If we have kids, they won't be white. They'd be of half British descent, but not white. Because they won't have white skin.
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Can be both. Sorry, I have a habit of replying quickly & not putting my full comment.
I've seen Persians who looked like Slavs, on the other hand I had a Persian friend at school & she was kinda brown.
Frankly, I came on here because Aryan doesn't mean white, nor does caucasian & I'm a pedantic fucker! -
All I'm saying is, ancient Iranians/Persians were white. Many modern day Persians are darker skinned (mainly due the Arab invasion), however there are others who have maintained the white skin tone and light colored eyes. One of my cousins for example has blue eyes and blond hair, even though neither parent had blue eyes or blond hair and were darker skinned than he was! As I'm sure you are aware, genes can be passed on even though the carrier doesn't exhibit those characteristics.
As for Dr. Bamban, of course you don't know him, I never expected you to since you never met the guy. He's also written a couple of books (in case you're interested: http://tinyurl.com/o546er and http://tinyurl.com/pxhhvm). As for having Phds and studying longer, scholarships and education loans play a big role in financing tuition fees. Don't really know many people who had their education paid for them ;-)
Any way, I'm over this conversation. We can keep talking about it back and forth, but I think the issue has run its course for the time being. Pleasure talking to you sir. -
Thank fuck for that. I need a break from it:-).
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not that there's anything wrooong with that
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Only R-rated movies are worth going to see these days.
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