Animation and Anime

THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG Trailer debuts! And people have seen the film too!

Published at: May 10, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST by headgeek

Hey folks, Harry here... and man, I am on board and ready to see THE PRINCESS & THE FROG! This trailer did it. In combination with the test screening reviews I have been getting over the past couple of days - it seems that Disney has done it again. First - take a look at this trailer...





Now - take a look at these reviews - but watch out for spoilers - though that trailer certainly seems to have a doozy of a spoiler!

Hey, I can't believe that nobody has posted a review of this yet! On Tuesday, the Bridge Cinema Deluxe hosted two preview screenings of "the Princess and the Frog." Bottom line is that "Princess and the Frog" is really good, even though the film was not completely finished. They said about 80% had been animated, while 30% was final and colored. The missing 20% was in storyboard form. The premise of the film is a great twist on the classic "Frog Prince" story. MINOR SPOILERS Prince Naveen has been cut off from his family's wealth, although nobody really knows this yet. His greed leads him into dealing with Dr. Facilier, a voodoo doctor with evil plans for New Orleans. Facilier basically curses Naveen, turning him into a frog. Tiana's dream is to own a restaurant. Just when this dream seems within reach, somebody outbids her on the building she has been saving money for. At a ball, dressed in her best, Tiana meets the frog. Both are familiar with the classic tale and Naveen assumes that if Tiana kisses him, the spell will be broken. In return, he will buy Tiana her restaurant. So, they kiss... ...and Tiana turns into a frog. The two frogs are chased out of the ball and begin a journey through the bayou, looking for an old witch that can turn them back. This movie is really good. It's not perfect, but its strengths certainly outweigh its weaknesses. The biggest flaw is that when Naveen and Tiana inevitably fall in love, it doesn't feel like Naveen has earned it. It feel like we're missing the scene where he wins her heart. All of a sudden he likes her and she likes him. Although it takes them a while to admit this love, we still don't know exactly why they fell in love in the first place! That said, every "love" scene they DO have works brilliantly! They really nailed that feeling when you like someone, but you're afraid to say it because you just don't know how they feel about you. It is just perfect. I personally had no issues with the ending, and I actually quite liked it. I only bring this up because many of my friends didn't like the last 10 minutes, so I thought it was worth mentioning as a "flaw." But enough with the problems. The major strength of "the Princess and the Frog" is the cast of characters. Tiana is one of the most awesome Disney "princesses." They've tried the strong and independent woman thing before, but Tiana could run circles around Belle or Pocahontas. She holds down three shifts at work and still finds time to design a restaurant and cook on her own. Once she's on the bayou adventure, she has no trouble fending for herself and babysitting the silver-spoon fed Naveen. The talking animals in this one are fantastic as well. Ray is a heart-of-gold firefly that joins the crew after they get a bit lost. Louis is a croc with dreams of playing jazz. Each is hilarious and pretty well rounded, and both will certainly capture the audience's heart. Dr. Facilier, the film's baddie, is a fantastic love child of Michael Jackson and Baron Samedi. He is smooth and sly with a mean streak that's backed by minions of "the other side." His scheme is dastardly, but not exactly original. It's a pretty standard "take over town" sort of motive. Oh, except that once he takes over New Orleans, he's giving everyone's soul to his "friends on the other side." That's pretty awesomely dark. Speaking of dark, what really stands out about this film is that it has BALLS. Dr. Facilier's minions, evil shadow demons, are NOT incompetent Battle Droids. They can be down right scary. Even more shocking is that some characters don't make it through the film. I have a hunch that kids (and parents!) will be teary eyed at the end of this one. I guess the bottom line is that "the Princess and the Frog" is a strong comeback for 2D animation. It is definitely the strongest Disney animated film in years, and although it doesn't surpass masterpieces like "the Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast," it reminds you why, as a kid, you looked forward to Disney's animated films. Even though they didnt give us any NDA forms, if you post this call me "the Screenwriting Wizard's Apprentice"

then there's this one:

Hey Harry, Its funny you posted that new clip earlier today since tonight there was an early test screening for Disney's new film The Princess and The Frog. And I was lucky enough to go. There were two showings actually, an early one for parents and young kids and then one for the older crowd. I attended the later one, which was pretty packed. First thing though is when I say early, I mean early. We were all quickly informed that only 20% of the film was in color and that some scenes were even just the storyboards. The crowds reaction to this was interesting as I'm pretty sure they weren't ready to hear that. But on with the movie now. I enjoy Pixar but I've wanted Disney to have a comeback on their own for a long while now and I'm very happy to say that they have done it! There will be some slight spoilers here (though I doubt anything in the movie would shock anybody since Disney films can still be rather predictable), but the film takes place in New Orleans in the 20s or 30s, I have to be honest I'm not fully sure what exact year they were aiming for. We are introduced to two characters a young white rich girl named Charlotte and a young black girl named Tiana. They are best friends but one is rich and Tiana is poor and lives with her mother (a dressmaker who makes all these Disney princess dresses for Charlotte) and father. Interestingly enough, Charlottes family is shown as spoiled and stupid and Tiana's family is wise, loving and hard working. Tiana's mother reads both the girls a story about a princess kissing a frog, having the frog turn into a prince and then all ending happily. Charlotte loves the story and Tiana hates it, we enter our first song (a number about the magic of New Orleans) while we meet Tianas family and neighborhood. Then opening credits and we fast forward to when they are both teens. Tiana is a hard working waitress trying to save up for a reastuarnt of her own while Charlotte has grown into basically what happens when a spoiled dumb girl is raised on Disney. Kind of like Enchanted, the film pokes fun at itself and the typical fairy tale in pretty clever ways. A Prince is coming to New Orleans to marry Charlotte (though he's never met her). I couldn't find anyone in the theater who knew where he was supposed to be from exactly but Prince Naveen seems to be from some Middle Eastern Country. He arrives (there is a big masquerade ball ready for him) and goes off instead searching the town *SPOILERS* instead he meets our villan, an evil fortune teller who does voodoo, gets turned into a frog and then tries to find a princess to kiss, he finds Tiana (dressed like a princess) at the ball and kisses her, but instead she turns into a frog also then many adventures occur, fighting with eachother, rednecks and crocs in the swamp and the evil voodoo man all the while trying to turn back human *SPOILERS END* Love and songs happen throughout. First, I Loved the movie, in fact I think it's one of the best animated movies Disney has ever made. I enjoy the 3D stuff but 2D just has a certain feeling to it. Even though most the movie wasn't finished being colored the few parts we saw looked beautiful. Can't wait to see what it looks like finished. The story/characters/writing is the highlight of this film though. Tiana is one of our most interesting princesses, think Mulan mixed with Belle, believes in hardwork and doing stuff for herself, has some attitude. Charlotte is probably the most over the top female characters in a Disney flick, in fact sometimes its overboard (she calls her dad "Big Daddy" a few times and its rather weird). The Prince is probably the first prince with depth (unless we count Aladdin I guess) , he believes in girls, money and music, plus he actually is charming unlike most prince charmings. We get a goofy trumpet playing croc and a very cajun firefly to round out our talking animals quota. Some deep in the swamp deliverance like rednecks who eat frogs. A blind magic lady with a pet snake and of course a small fat guy who plays henchmen (Disney loves the small fat guy don't they). The writing is fast and clever and a damn good share of jokes that are aimed at the adult crowd which I was surprised at but enjoyed. Then there is the songs, these were almost all in the storyboard form but they seem like they'll look good. They aren't as memorable as some classic Disney songs but they are really well done (though some of them seem to end before they really begin). Each one being very Jazz or gospel influenced. Speaking of which New Orleans itself is a character and probably the best setting in any Disney film, you feel New Orleans at its high point by the end of the movie. The movie is fast-paced and never drags. My only real problem with the film is the Villian I'd say, you never really get to understand his motivations and if you blink you'll miss the ending climax with him. He is in it just enough to scare the characters and move the plot forward but thats really it. Keith David does a great job with him though. I do think its interesting that there has been some talk about the races in the film ("why can't there be a black prince" or some such talk), but it's also rather funny that the white people in the film get the worst of it and everyone else gets represented really well. Half my theater was African-American and they all loved it more then me so just thought I'd throw that out there. All in all, this is Disney's return to form, can't wait to see it completely finished. If you used this just call me LAshadowman.

So with that, SIGN ME UP - I want to see this NOW!

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  • May 10, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    MORE GENERIC DISNEY SHIT!!!WHOFUCKINGHOO!!!

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

  • May 10, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    TIME TO THAW OUT WALT’S NAZI LOVING ASS!!!

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

  • May 10, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    They've come a long way from Song of the South.

    by Orionsangels

  • May 10, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T WATCH THIS BECAUSE…..

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    MY HEART IS MADE OF ICE AND RAGE!!!

  • May 10, 2009, 12:49 a.m. CST

    I WANT A DISNEY ANIMATED ADAPTATION OF MEIN KAMPF!!!

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

  • May 10, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    really?

    by zom-bot.com

    because it looks like the caliber of disney style rip-offs like anastasia and thumbelina and stuff from the 90's. Hell, the frog looks and sounds almost just like jean-Bob from the swan Princess!!!!!<P> it looks throwback, and not in a good way. the style is just done to death. the game has moved on, and this shows how far behind disney is. (other than their association with pixar) they should really just pass the torch by this point.

  • May 10, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to this

    by 420 Boylston St

    + I'm looking forward to the classic art books Disney sells during the films' run

  • May 10, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    jean-bob

    by zom-bot.com

    http://content9.flixster.com/photo/32/07/15/3207159_tmb.jpg

  • May 10, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    ha ha ---song of the south

    by zom-bot.com

    i remember watching that when i was in kindergarten and it was re-released. even then, i thought- damn- that's a racist flick. <P>and lo and behold- what's the ad in the lower corner of my screen now? song of the south for $1899. i hear it's been severely edited.

  • May 10, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    It looks like it's trying too hard...

    by robotdevil

    Too many "zany" characters with "wacky" voices. It seems a little grating.

  • May 10, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Finally a return of The Hand drawn animated disney films.

    by LeviDTinker

    Its been far to long since the last one, I really hope we continue to see new ones produced. CG animated films just cant come alive the way that 2D animated films do. the great thing about hand drawn features like Beauty and the Beast, Snow White, Aladdin and the rest is that you can see the love and heart put into breathing life into them by hand, you just dont get that with CGI.

  • May 10, 2009, 1:21 a.m. CST

    CreepyThinMan?

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Why are you such an ass?

  • May 10, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Out of development hell?

    by Chief Joseph

    This thing has had a troubled production plagued with complaints from the PC Police.<br> The original title was The Frog Princess and they had to change it to avoid offending the French.<br> Then people complained that the lead character (a black woman) was a "servant type" and that the male love interest was too light-skinned.<br> Thus, I expect it to be blander and even more PC than Pocahontas.<br> Ebert is either going to really love this one or really hate it.

  • May 10, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    TheMarineBiologist, BECAUSE IT'S FUN!!!

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

  • May 10, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Yeah I saw over at

    by BartholomewNeff

    the Blue Sky Disney blog they posted yesterday that the trailer would be coming out today. I loved it. It looks like a long, lost classic animated film from the 90's.

  • May 10, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    CreepyThinMan has been banned

    by HEADGEEK

    because he is a complete douche. That is all...

  • May 10, 2009, 2:24 a.m. CST

    DIsney is BACK, baby!

    by BenBraddock

    Yeah! Looks beautiful!

  • May 10, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    This really isnt my bag

    by DOGSOUP

    But anything that preserves 2D animation is worth it in the long run. For that reason I hope this does well.

  • May 10, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Can i just say this without the trouble it may bring

    by ThePilgrim

    My biggest complaint is the stories hidden pay off. It's not really hidden. She turns into a frog when she kisses him. The answer seems obvious. She gave him a meaningless kiss. It has to be the kiss of true love. If the audience already has this sorted out. Well how's entertaining? I'm sure it's laced with good Disney moments, and it's nice to see them bringing 2d back into play. I'm just not pulled into it like most of their other 2d films storylines managed to grab me.

  • May 10, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST

    HONESTLY...

    by VALENTINEproductions

    This trailer do anything for me. I love 2d but im not feeling this. I hope the princess atleast booty shakes in this.

  • May 10, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    90's Flashback!

    by DerLanghaarige

    Don't know if I should like it or not, but at the moment I go for "like it".

  • May 10, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Alright

    by louisse

    This looks wonderful but I want Bird to do another 2D, even though Iron Giant was a box failure it was such an amazing flick.

  • May 10, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    DIS' GON' BE GUD!!!

    by OGoncho

    Nice.

  • May 10, 2009, 7:38 a.m. CST

    'Bout time we had a sexy sistah as a Disney princess

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Yeah, Pocahontas, Jasmine and Esmeralda were dark-skinned (and hot), but it's long past due to have an actual black woman in one of these.

  • May 10, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    What was so wrong about Song of the South anyway!?

    by Missing Dink

  • May 10, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    No surprise the FROG is FRENCH

    by Missing Dink

  • May 10, 2009, 7:58 a.m. CST

    please be good

    by walrusholder

    I have a nine month old son and I want Disney to keep this art form alive, I really think this is a make or break moment for them. If this sucks every animated film will go to Pixar (which is great but is a different medium, I think there first bomb could be the Bear and the Bow) Fairy tales should look like this hope it works out.

  • May 10, 2009, 8:20 a.m. CST

    There's nothing wrong with SONG OF THE SOUTH

    by Jardinier

    except for a handful of people who probably haven't even seen it proclaiming its racism far and wide. Which is why Disney is still sitting on one of their landmark films instead of releasing it already. Obama's President, America's supposed to become post-racial real soon like, so how about it, Disney? Just record some new introductions by well-regarded black folk like you once planned and finally give me my DVD. <br> Not that SotS is a masterpiece, it's not, but it's neither terrible nor racist. The African Americans in the film are fairly happy, so what? There weren't any happy blacks and douchy but non-racist farm owners in the South during Reconstruction? C'mon. <br><br> Regarding THE PRINCESS OF THE FROG, I remain cautiously optimistic. I'm not thrilled by the scene with frog-Naveen, but many of the snippets in the montage look interesting. Some of them were obviously taking from song scenes, so I hope we'll hear some of that music soon.

  • May 10, 2009, 8:34 a.m. CST

    So, shouldn't the title actually be "The FROG and the FROG?"

    by tylerzero

  • May 10, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Wow, a French Frog

    by Star Hump

    Worth repeating. Who's decision was that? Probably a Republican. I'm sure Disney is infested with them.

  • May 10, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    "Disney should pass the torch"?

    by Galactic

    lol ORLY? And who would pick up that torch up exactly? No one is doing hand drawn animation to the quality of the old Disney movies in this country. You gotta go to Studio Ghibli in Japan to even get close.

  • May 10, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Star Hump and Missing Dink... what French frog?

    by MurderMostFowl

    Something tells me you 2 are one in the same person. <BR><BR>Both have the same cultural intellect I see.<BR> Are you not realizing the location of this film... Louisiana. That'd be a Cajun frog.

  • May 10, 2009, 9:13 a.m. CST

    For the record, I loved Song of the South

    by judderman

    and I love Uncle Remus stories. And yes, if you really want to read the real thing, and not some whiteboy's rework, read "Every Tongue Got to Confess" by Zora Neal Hurston. These are great African folktales preserved in adversity and deserve to be remembered and cherished, not dropped because they're "racist."

  • May 10, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Uncle Walt, your touch is back

    by terry1978

    This feels like something he would have put his stamp of approval on, most definitely.

  • May 10, 2009, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Here's why I'll buy the race choices

    by RogueWarrior65

    From what I can tell, this has a Cajun flavor to it all. New Orleans, river boats, voodoo witch doctors, bayous, etc. Given all of that, I buy the race choices as opposed to choosing a particular race for a main character because it's trendy.

  • May 10, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Star Hump...Unfunny and Ignorant is really no way

    by conspiracy

    to go through life. Ever been to Louisiana? Know its history? Having this character be French..and a Frog, his historically and culturally correct.</p><p> Oh...and if you think the irrelevant dinosaurs in the GOP have somehow cornered the market on bigotry and ignorance maybe you should get out more often...maybe talk to a Pakistani, I'm sure they'd love to hear your discourse on how much different the tards in the DNC are.</p><p>Star Hump....Funking Amateur.

  • May 10, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    I hope people see this

    by RichardAlpert_TimePimp

    If they don't, and general audiences are entirely dispassionate and uninterested in a 2D movie, good or not, we will never see another 2D animated film with a major release and actual talent behind it ever again. I really hope we aren't too cool for this movie, with our fancy computers and gizmos. I worry.

  • May 10, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    RogueWarrior65...Race choices..

    by conspiracy

    The fact we are sitting here typing about "Race Choices", as though somewhere, some politically correct douche is pouring over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 looking for the clause related to "ethnic diversity in an animated film" says much about how that law has been twisted and manipulated by politicians and special interest groups.</p><p>For Fucks sake people...it is a CARTOON! WHO THE FUCK CARES what "race" they are!

  • May 10, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST

    RichardAlpert_TimePimp..

    by conspiracy

    Between fucktards searching far and wide, hoping to find some "racial" stereotype they can complain about; and the typical American cinema patron needing Pissing RObots, tits and 'Splosions in every movie they see...you should worry about artistry surviving

  • May 10, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    75 Years of Magic?

    by Nice Marmot

    They only showed us examples from the last 20. OK, that's a bit anal. I'm looking forward to it. You gotta think they went all out w/ this one. And I'm with walrusholder. I have month old twin girls and want them to someday see some quality Disney 2D outside of our living room. HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TALKBACKERS!

  • May 10, 2009, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Did it bother anybody else

    by The Pusher

    that the opening of the trailer only referenced late-era Disney films? Does Disney not remember that their own legacy extends beyond The Little Mermaid? Or are they just trying to reach out to kids with the only Disney films they think kids remember?

  • May 10, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    I thought it was interesting that the opening showed...

    by rbatty024

    nothing after the Lion King. I think Disney knows they haven't come up with any truly great 2D animation since that film. What a shame.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    It will do well

    by spaceghost_me

    After such a dearth of 2D animated movies, new princess movies, etc., as long as this movie is somewhat decent, I think it will do really well. Hopefully, it will make people realize that its not the medium that make the movie good, but the story and the characters. Pixar knows this and I'm hopeful they've brought this back to Disney as a whole.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    2d animation needs some love...

    by Sparhawk38

    Look...Can you imagine the Iron Giant being better in cgi...I can't. Even if this is not a classic, I am glad to see some serious work done in traditional animation. Although I completely agree with Spaceghost....it is all about character and story telling..not the medium... that makes an excellent film. I just don't want to see all the good stories in cgj.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Oh...and 2d animation gotta eat!

    by Sparhawk38

    Just seemed right.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Princess and the Frog

    by Hipshot

    Looks wonderful. And it will go a long way toward rehabilitating my sense of Disney animation as being the most racist major Hollywood film division (not a single black animated character in a film in the entire 20th Century, out of countless thousands of images. Even though they set two films in Africa!) I worked in animation, knew people who worked at Disney, and they were very clear that this was not accidental. That the older generation of animators had to die out before the first black character could appear (in "Fantasia 2000"). Even though the Prince is VERY light skinned, an obvious FC choice (Financially Correct as opposed to Politically Correct) this is a major, major moment, and I'm very proud of them. I'm sure there are white talkbackers who will suggest it doesn't matter, what am I complaining about, etc...and that's all right. The problem with "Song of the South" is that there was no balancing imagery. No exploration of the humanity of those black folks other than the "see! Our Negroes are happy!" image that white southerners of the time used to defend their noxious customs. We're in the 21st Century, and I would think that we can release it now. But every person who "doesn't understand" why it was offensive has probably never talked to actual black people who lived at that time, gotten them to open up about the overwhelming fear and anger actually felt by the black community. That's all right. That's not your responsibility. But bless 21st Century Disney for stepping up to the plate and finally including us in the American Myth. It feels great.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    This looks very promising!

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    As others have said, I can't wait to see the return of traditional animation. There's a character, and an art, in hand-drawn work that you don't get with CGI stuff. Hopefully, this'll be a big hit and Disney will keep giving us the good old fashioned animated films which kept the company afloat in previous decades...

  • May 10, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by Jonas Grumpy

    Those who care about what "race" animated characters are could be - COULD BE - those who are of a "race" which hasn't been represented all that much (or that well) in animated form, and would like to see themselves on the big screen once in a while. <BR><BR>Of course, no matter what a studio does, some people won't be happy. Think about how many animated Africans you saw in "The Lion King" or "Tarzan." That's right: ZERO. Because Disney knew they would be chastised either way, they opted to go the "safer" route, and not show any actual Africans at all. Just imagine the hoopla that would have erupted from some groups if they had, no matter how those characters were portrayed. <BR><BR>Plus, you seem to equate "politically correct" with a bad thing. We've moved past wanting to see portrayals like Mr. Magoo's Chinese houseboy these days - especially when voiced by white actors - and those who do are a bunch of ignorant, racist assholes. <BR><BR>The real trick is to disguise stereotypical characteristics so "the kids" don't make the connections. (The crows in "Dumbo" and Jar Jar Binks are examples of this.) Either that, or we need to create NEW racial stereotypes to match current trends and behavior. Would that please you?

  • May 10, 2009, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Jonas Grumpy

    Oh, there were some animated black characters in a 20th century Disney feature. You'd have to go to YouTube or some other site to see them in the original cut of "Fantasia." <BR><BR>(I almost corrected you by stating the example of "Atlantis," but then I remembered that it came out this decade.) <BR><BR>On the flip side of that, some African-American actors were cast to voice characters in 20th century features - they just weren't playing people. Dogs, mostly. Plus a crab or two. ;)

  • May 10, 2009, 10:45 a.m. CST

    "No great since Lion King-"disagree

    by WT

    The Hunchback of Notre Dame was clever, dark and dealt with some surprisingly adult issues for Disney. I honestly suggest giving that another go. As for "racism" I would argue there's a lot more coded racism today. What about Fresh Prince of BelAir- isn't it hilarious that a group of upwardly mobile black people can't communicate with someone from the innercity (don't get me wrong, I still like the show, just wondered)?

  • May 10, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    You really can't win when it comes to race

    by terry1978

    Either they're doing it to "be P.C." according to some people, or they're doing it to appeal to a demographic that we as fanboys don't care about. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    75% of the iron giant WAS cgi.

    by zom-bot.com

    that robot wasn't hand drawn most of the time, friend. and while i don't think this is 'racist' by any means, i think that disney realized they need a black princess toy/backpack/sheet set to sell in their princess line- and came up with a regional story that could allow for it, since they had already done Africa with the Lion king. I love 2D animation too and hope it stays alive, but this looks to me to be the death of it.There is a 'disney' look, and there is the look done by so many animation houses that emulate disney----and this looks like the latter, not the originator.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    zom-bot.com

    by Jonas Grumpy

    "...i think that disney realized they need a black princess toy/backpack/sheet set to sell in their princess line..." <BR><BR>Which is what Hipshot was referring to when he (she?) used the phrase "...an obvious FC choice (Financially Correct as opposed to Politically Correct)..." <BR><BR>As I never really liked the term "PC" (especially when used in the derogatory way by people who still want to get away with using stereotypes to describe other people), I'm going to use "FC" from now on. It's much more accurate.

  • May 10, 2009, 11:02 a.m. CST

    terry1978

    by Jonas Grumpy

    "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." <BR><BR>This is exactly what I meant by noting the lack of any Africans in "Lion King" and "Tarzan." No matter what Disney did, somebody would have hated it and called it "racist," so Disney decided to let themselves be attacked for what they DIDN'T do, rather than for what they DID. <BR><BR>Which still smacks of cowardice, but it was a smarter move overall.

  • May 10, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by TheKGB01

    You must be the frog..

  • May 10, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Why worry about the race/PC thing?

    by dukeroberts

    Though Disney may have made this movie as a way of giving voice to a black character in a lead role, who cares? They are trying to revive an art form thought dead. It may prove to be a fun, entertaining movie. The art doesn't look as beautiful as SLEEPING BEAUTY, FANTASIA or even BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, but it is of better quality than Disney wanna- bes like ANASTASIA and HAPPILY EVER AFTER for Pete's sake. And for those who think Disney hasn't produced a good 2D film since THE LION KING, give MULAN, HERCULES and THE EMPEROR'S NEW GROOVE another look. MULAN is beautiful to look at and HERCULES and TENG are are entertaining. TENG is frickin' hilarious. I will defend SONG OF THE SOUTH as well. I used to work at Blockbuster and the occasional request for the film on video was always by a black person. The fact that some people (but especially probably liberal, former hippies) find it offensive is no good reason to keep it from the many, including many blacks, who will still enjoy it, as I do. Need I remind people that the most racially stereotypical movies made these days are made by and for blacks. BOOTY CALL, anyone? Everybody lighten up.

  • May 10, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Will Uncle Remus be in this one?

    by Alkeoholic77

    Zip-a-dee do da!

  • May 10, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Hate Disney trailers

    by Chesterfield Slacks

    Why do they have to bash us on the head about their legacy on every goddamn video, DVD, trailer, flyer, gumwrapper, for fuck sakes? Can't watch a Disney video without 20 minutes of "a timeless classic, re-issued just this once" bullshit. Who on this planet doesn't know what Disney's been doing for 75 years? Get to the point and show us the movies, Disney, you greedy, whoring bastards.

  • May 10, 2009, 12:22 p.m. CST

    The Prince of New Orleans?

    by zooch

    How did New Orleans get a Prince and Princess?

  • May 10, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Looks awesome! Didn't see that part coming!

    by Johnno

    I'm down for Disney returning to 2D stuff, and by that I mean good 2D stuff, and here's hoping they'll even go so far as to do some more mature things too! They can leverage their Miramax brand or come up with soemthing new entirely! And by mature I mean along the lines of Steamboy or even as far as Princess Mononoke, hell even Spirited Away had some edgy dark stuff in it! C'mon you DIsney bitches, push the envelope a little! I'm nto asking you for Akira... I'm asking for Steamboy! Do it! I've always been secretly wishing that there'd be an epic animated film of something like 'Freedom at Midnight'! There's tons of stuff they can adapt, even under a different branding if they want Disney left for the families. Anyway I'm all set to welcome The Princess and the Frog.

  • May 10, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Much appreciated, Harry...

    by TheMarineBiologist

    That guy was getting on my last nerve.

  • May 10, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    New Orleans is sinking and I don't wanna swim...

    by Alkeoholic77

    Great song by the Tragically Hip.

  • May 10, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I don't know about Princes, but there sure are Queens!

    by Batutta

    The title should've been The Queen and the Gerbil.

  • May 10, 2009, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Whiskey...

    by Kid Z

    ...Tango... Foxtrot?!!?

  • May 10, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Creepythinman

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    Man, I wanna know what he said now. People say so much crazy and offensive stuff on these talkbacks that it must have been a humdinger!

  • May 10, 2009, 2:40 p.m. CST

    THAT LOOKS BALLBUSTING AWESOME!

    by FeralAngel

    I had seen an earlier trailer I didn't care for too much, but holy Nellie this one rocks. Great idea, a beautiful BLACK Disney princess livin' in New Orleans. Making use of the rich cultures and incredible music there. I am hot to see this now. Yeah, Lasseter! You own it, man!

  • May 10, 2009, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Hipshot, you ignorant slut, tell that to Floyd Norman/black guy/

    by FeralAngel

    Floyd Norman posts at various sites around the web. He's a black man and worked as an animator at Disney in Walt's day (starting with Sleeping Beauty). Nobody was purposely keeping blacks out of Disney animation OR Disney films. The story pool containing black characters was extremely limited back then; it took a few decades before strong black characters began to emerge in new media. Audience attitudes had to change as well; that's why we're finally seeing a black princess (although, after all, Disney does have princesses belonging to other nonewhite ethnic groups). Hopefully Disney hasn't created Titiana in order to erase any imaginary stain on its legacy and all that crap; hopefully she was created to tell a fresh, new and good story. I believe in the latter scenario. Again, can't wait to see this.

  • May 10, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Wow -

    by ThusSpakeSpymunk

    All we've got to go on is the trailer, and already we've got:<p><p> 1) A minstrel show <p> 2) a dancin' shoeshine boy <p> 3) A big-lipped voodoo witch doctor <p> 4) a jive-talkin' gran'ma sayin' "Dis GONNA BE GUUUUD!"<p> Thanks.

  • May 10, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I hear you Gunslinger . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . if someone gets banned, all references to said dickhead should also be deleted so I don't wonder what was said. Me Me ME . . . . .

  • May 10, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    So, if the frog marries her in the end, & becomes King

    by finky089

    of New Orleans, will Better Than Ezra get to sing a song in the movie?

  • May 10, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    from valerie to tiana took 40 years

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    And H-B came pretty close to making Valerie the Pussycat white back then even though she was black in the comics. I think it's primarily a licensing issue nowadays- I mean, was Static Shock marketed at all? Tiana has been a long time coming, and I sincerely hope she's the first of many. It is a shame this couldn't have happened sooner. I mean, you guys know the kid from Treasure Planet was originally black right?

  • May 10, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST

    THIS is what Disney should have been doing all along

    by performingmonkey

    They should leave the 3D to Pixar and go all out classic 2D!! It's bullshit that people only want 3D. It's only because they're now USED to 3D. FFS, this is just what the doctor ordered. It doesn't feel soulless (and I'm not talking about the fact that it's a black main character) like PLENTY of animated flicks in the last 10 years (Pixar aside - there's a hell of a lot of heart and soul in every Pixar film)

  • May 10, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Sounds promising, plants and all.

    by Sal_Bando

    I always like their classic animation, heck Lilo and Stich was a blast-so am hoping this does well for them, too.

  • May 10, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Hooray for old school animation, Boo for Disney

    by alienindisguise

    I hate Disney and their thieved, cornball shit.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    FeralAngel

    by blakindigo

    Hipshot isn't being a douche, I think that post represents a LOT of thinking in regards to how Black characters were portrayed in Disney movies. Floyd Norman was an inspiration to many young, Black animators—his nickname was "The Lone Negro." It's unfortunate that a single individual was sometimes identified with an entire ethnic group as an example of 'inclusion.' The racist caricatures of the time were pretty severe and unforgiving and Disney had their fair share of them. I'm sure if you talked to animation character designer Dan Haskett he could inform you of the challenges that Black animation professionals had to face in the 20th Century regarding the industry.<br><br>This doesn't mean Hipshots points are ignorant or lack relevance. Disney's history with characters of colour isn't exactly the strongest.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Gorgeous Animation -- Looks promising

    by Zeegloo

    I hope this succeeds for the sake of hand drawn animation as a medium.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    75% of the iron giant WAS cgi?!!

    by blakindigo

    Um, no. NO. Nonononono. The title CHARACTER of "The Iron Giant" was CG. Also, a few vehicles and other props but, that film is obviously crafted by group of extremely talented 2D animators. Lovely movie.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Imagine if "The Spirit" looked like this

    by blakindigo

    Oh man, I can only dream of what could have been.<br><br>Brad Bird someone, somewhere owes you a MASSIVE apology.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Dear Disney...

    by Lemure_v2

    Whatever it is John Lasseter asks for, give. Sincerely Me

  • May 10, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I don't think that's fair ThusSpakeSpymunk…

    by blakindigo

    And if I'm proven wrong by the movie I'll eat my words, but I don't think that's what is going on in the trailer. I'm anxious to see this a)for the return of American 2D animation on the big screen and b) for it's celebration of the New Orleans culture. I hope it captures some of the spirit of The Big Easy.<br><br>2D animation needs to get out of it's ghetto and stop conditioning audiences to expect an inferior medium suited entirely for children.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:51 p.m. CST

    AMEN Lemure_v2

    by blakindigo

    A–fucking–men.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Re: ThusSpakeSpymunk

    by ooggbboo

    I had the same thought. Over-under on the number of times somebody says "bling" in the movie: 3 1/2.

  • May 10, 2009, 5:57 p.m. CST

    We'll see how this goes

    by kirttrik

    It might be somewhat embarrassing, with heavy apologists abound. But I have no idea, I particularly can't stand Disney... the animation looked interesting though.

  • May 10, 2009, 7:13 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to see this!

    by viola123

    It looks so good. And starting out with "Aladdin", "Beauty and the Beast," "The Little Mermaid," and "The Lion King," just got me all nostalgic and teary-eyed before it even began! But yeah, I think that trailer is magical and can't wait to see it. I purposefully skipped the spoilers, so I'm just happy that the two reviews were positive. Thanks, Harry!

  • May 10, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    CreepySinMan struck again didn't he?

    by Sal_Bando

    Basic bomb-thrower ala Mel_Gibson FlyTrap and BalZacLockwood there-though I've no problems w/ any of them, can see how it can be a problematic thing. <p> Iron Giant was a good one wasn't it?

  • May 10, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by Jiggah

    As much as I love Disney, I'm already picturing the inevitable crappy sequels and spin-offs to this film. I'll definitely be there for this movie though, they are making a come back and I hope this one will signal a new beginning for the 2D animation division. I think the one after this sounds interesting as well. Rapunzel, which will use computer animation, but stick with the 2D look. It sounds like they are trying to bridge the Pixar division with the classic animation division.

  • May 10, 2009, 8:45 p.m. CST

    DISNEY?!

    by kgerm

    It seems John Lassetter has done it again.

  • May 10, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    That Song of the South ad in the corner

    by palpatinefuckedmydog

    That can't be legit. Aintitcool is pimping bootleg DVDs now?

  • May 10, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    "count me outta dis one, better dead here than in the core"

    by STEVE_GUTTENBERGS_DICK_ICECREAM

    you said it jar jar. um this looks like it's for girls. all you talkbackers must be women aye? except for the haitian voodoo dude this looks kinda girly.

  • May 10, 2009, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Brother bear was good

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    so disney didnt really leave a bad taste dripping down my face or nothing with that last movie

  • May 10, 2009, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Blakindigo, here's what Norman had to say about it

    by FeralAngel

    I'm quoting from a Walt Disney biography here: "Floyd Norman, an African-American story artist, also rejects the racism accusation. He recalls that, during the 1960s, several civil rights leaders tried to force Disney to hire more minorities. "The funny part," he said, "was that minorities weren't knocking at the gates to get in. The jobs were there if they were qualified. It's like the old ruse that Walt didn't hire Jews, which was also ridiculous. There were plenty of Jews at Disney. Personally, I never felt any prejudice from Walt." (Taken from How To Be Like Walt written by Pat Williams and Jim Denney.) Now when it comes to black characters, I'm not saying that black characters aren't largely missing from American animation. But Disney was hardly the only studio to do it. It just gets tiresome to hear people whine "About time! If Disney wasn't so conservative/racist it would have happened sooner" or crap like that. Disney seems to be making an effort to create a good black female character who has a logical place in the story she's in - she's not being injected into it like a token. I'm just saying Disney deserves credit for being CREATIVELY inclusive. I sure don't see Dreamworks or Blue Sky coming up with a movie with a black protagonist (although you can bet that if P & F is successful that probaby WILL happen. Disney usually leads the way when it comes to animated innovations).

  • May 10, 2009, 10:43 p.m. CST

    The Penultimate Gunslinger

    by TheMarineBiologist

    Yeah, he was spamming quite a bit at the beginning of the TB insinuating that Walt Disney was a Nazi among other things.<p> Basically, he was just being an all around ass and our discussion is better off without him.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:49 p.m. CST

    About that Song of South ad

    by onezeroone

    AICN doesn't choose which ads show up, google does that based on contents of website. Am sure it must be all the Song of South comments that made that ad popup. Try lots of posts with Lion King and you might get a different ad.<p> Back OT... looks, good, not great. But a cautious return to 2D by Disney is better than none at all. I hope this does well enough to revive 2D animation.

  • May 10, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    They really studied New Orleans..

    by ChrisPC24

    The scenery is gorgeous. St. Peter's Cathedral, the Cabildo, the streetcars, the Quarter, City Park, it's all there.

  • May 10, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Thanks to Creepysinman being banned. I'm first! Woot!

    by Orionsangels

    Who cares, anyway, this movie looks nice and all, but i wish they didn't use computers to color it.

  • May 10, 2009, 11:44 p.m. CST

    That's not much of a spoiler.

    by CoursinLarry

    I mean, the movie was originally called The Frog Princess. So, her turning into a frog ain't that big of a shocker.

  • May 11, 2009, 12:29 a.m. CST

    i think the spoiler was the Marriage Carriage

    by George Newman

    there's a split second shot of the princess and prince in a what looks like a marraige parade. <p>although if you didnt think that the film would end in love/marriage, then you've never seen a disney romance

  • May 11, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Very cool

    by Weezy

    It's so weird to see a commercial for a Disney 2D animated movie, it feels like forever since the last one. It's almost like... exciting, brings back memories of seeing the preview for the new yearly (or so) Disney cartoon.

  • May 11, 2009, 1:03 a.m. CST

    What makes Creepythinman a douche to have him banned...

    by AxeEmAll

    ...as compared to our classic DannyGloversDickBlood? :)

  • May 11, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Thank heavens for John Lasseter

    by AxeEmAll

    ...He has revived Disney's 2D animation with this one.

  • May 11, 2009, 1:11 a.m. CST

    The Disney organization was conservative—

    by blakindigo

    but, I agree that accusations of racism seem pretty one sided; the lack of inclusion and the restrictions of content are what many people are really complaining about when they mistakenly(?) attribute racist motives. The fact that the overall landscape of animation is fairly homogenized and typically monolithic is the main problem, IMO.<br><br>On the "Wizards" DVD, Ralph Bakshi lamented "Why can't I call a character Italian? Why can't I draw a Black guy…" before beginning "Fritz the Cat" and he makes a case for the overwhelming influence of Disney in the field; as Disney was regarded as the pinnacle of animation, their influence directly dominated content that wasn't perceived as wholesome or kid friendly. Apparently for idiotic reasons people of colour weren't included in that wholesome vision unless they were token sidekicks or comic relief.<br><br>I'm happy that Disney has taken a great step in casting a LEAD character as Black person without resorting to tokenism or minstrel caricatures. As for Dreamworks their FIRST film was "The Prince of Egypt" which focused on Jewish and Egyptian characters, respectively. Most of their latter movies don't really have human leads (especially the CG movies) and Will Smith was the lead in "Shark's Tale." I wish that had been a better movie though.

  • May 11, 2009, 1:32 a.m. CST

    It's been a long time coming....

    by saxon1014

    I had heard YEARS ago that they were trying to find the 'perfect vehicle for a black Princess'. I think that Disney princesses have always trancended race, since children done usually 'see in color' in that respect, parents do. But I am happy to know that we are getting a new 'princess' and I absolutely LOVE that the setting is New Orleans. Since they've added a wonderful 'Queenie' character who sings with 'soul' and that 'deep south' accent and grace of a bygone era to New Orleans Square, this is perfect timing. I guess politically speaking, the time is also perfect, but I'm more concerned and happy that Disney 'real' animation is back. I LOVE the snippet of the trailer that shows a guy dancing in the street ala Gene Kelly! THAT is what we need, to go back to a time of musicals with that old time feel. And even though I wasn't over joyed with the movie 'Haunted Mansion', I did love the inter-racial 'forbidden love' of that era. This, I think is another step in that direction, that love should NOT have any boundries...something that Disney has always tried to give us. No matter if you are rich or poor, royalty or commoner...temporarily of a different species...those all spoke to 'differences' that didn't or shouldn't matter. I look forward to the lovely young ladies taht will be walking around the Disney parks as this new and beautiful character. And I can just imagine all the lovely little girls having someone new who looks more like them to emulate and dress up as at Halloween. Every new Princess gives one more little girls someone to want to be. *one of the reasons I loved Enchanted, it gave little girls REASON to believe the impossible, even today*. *sigh*...yeah, I'm a Disney fanatic, and I've raised my girls to believe the impossible. I hope this movie will be a success. I did get the 'Disney magic' feel just from the little bit I saw. Can't wait.

  • May 11, 2009, 4:47 a.m. CST

    It's too early in the morning

    by kafka07

    to watch this craziness. I need my coffee first.

  • May 11, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    YES!!!!!

    by pills_26

    That is all.

  • May 11, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    OSMOSIS JONES.

    by zom-bot.com

    there was your major black lead in an animated movie. and it was a pretty interesting idea and strange movie too.

  • May 11, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    OSMOSIS JONES pt 2

    by zom-bot.com

    oh and the 'sidekick' was a stiff nerdy white guy. turnabout is fair play. <P>sorry, for the frog and the princess (horrible, clunky title who's whole premise makes me think of 'the swan princess') is just what saxon1014 said- 'a vehicle for a black princess- that disney has been trying to figure out how to come up with for years'. it's not empowering. if it were a natural progression, it would have come to them a lot easier. they had to struggle to come up with a premise for a black princess, and it shows. it's just a reason to sell sheet sets and backpacks to little black girls who had to settle for cinderella before. and that's a good thing, it is- but the source is not genuine.<P> and voodoo? really? is that the only culture they can think of?

  • May 11, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Am I the ONLY one annoyed..

    by Ronimus Prime

    That Tiana is hyped up as "Disney's first black princess" while Princess Kida was black, a Disney character, and a princess, thus should have had all this publicity? Atlantis is hella underrated. Had they given Kida this hype, I can't help but think it wouldn't have been.

  • May 11, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    a little off topic

    by genesis495

    Did any one pick up the Pinocchio Blu Ray I'm curious how the transfer looks. Since I'll definitely pick up the snow white one and want to get Pinocchio too, but just curious about the picture quality.

  • May 11, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST

    75 years of animation

    by thepoohguy

    But they only show movies from the past 30 years. Where is Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty? You'd think it was a tribute to Ashman and Menken.

  • May 11, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    genesis495

    by eric haislar

    I don't have the blue ray, but the DVD is gorgeous looking. So I assume the Blu Ray is even better.

  • May 11, 2009, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Pinocchio on Blu-Ray is STUNNING!

    by Batutta

    Seriously probably never looked as good even in Walt's wettest dream. Amazing.

  • May 11, 2009, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Lilo & Stitch

    by BizarroJerry

    While it didn't have black characters it did have native Hawaiian characters, who were not drawn to look white at all. I guess people keep forgetting L&S cuz it's not the typical princess / fairy tale movie.

  • May 11, 2009, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Song of the South...

    by BizarroJerry

    It's funny that the film was sorta banned to be seen by anyone, but ten or more years back, the theme park ride Splash Mountain opens, full of all the animated characters from the movie. Sure, it doesn't include Uncle Remus, but didn't little kids ask mommy who they were?

  • May 11, 2009, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Thanks erichaislar and Batutta

    by genesis495

    I'll have to check it out. I can't wait for Snow White on Blu Ray though.

  • May 11, 2009, 1:07 p.m. CST

    'What Makes the Red Man Red?"

    by Jonas Grumpy

    Disney's "Peter Pan" seems to get a pass when it comes to its portrayal of Native Americans. The only reason why *I* let it go is because... <BR><BR>It's a movie made in the 1950s, based on a story originally written in 1904, about a bunch of English kids and their "imaginary" adventures. Thus, the portrayal of Native Americans is based on THEIR perception, not on any kind of "reality," and can be dismissed in that way. <BR><BR>It's still not the BEST way to go about it, but it'll have to do. I think back to the my own childhood in the '70s, and based on what *I* saw of Indians in old movies and cartoons, I would have though the same as the kids in PP. All Indians spoke broken English and cried over pollution, according to the media of the day. And, sometimes, they were played by Mel Brooks.

  • May 11, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Disney released Song of the South on Laser Disc in the '90s

    by The Gipper

    Disney actually released Song of the South on Laser Disc (those big ass discs that were the size of a vinyl LP record) in the early '90s. I have it on DVD, transferred from the laser disc version and it looks great. James Baskett, who played Uncle Remus in the film, was the first actor Disney every hired for a full-length, live-action film. Not the first African-American actor -- THE VERY FIRST ACTOR DISNEY EVERY HIRED in such a capacity.<p> <p> http://www.songofthesouth.net/movie/biographies/baskett.html<p> <p> As far as why the African-Americans in the film were portrayed as happy -- THEY WERE NOW FREE FROM SLAVERY. I'd say that was a pretty good reason to feel happy.

  • May 11, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    @SoylentMean

    by Jardinier

    HOME ON THE RANGE is watchable, that's about all that can be said about it. It's completely safe and harmless, but also mostly devoid of spark. I remember liking the flatness of the design (very fitting, for the then-last Disney 2D picture), but wasn't impressed by the flatness of the characters.

  • May 11, 2009, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Osmosis Jones...the lead was "black"?

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Just having a black actor voicing a character that isn't even HUMAN doesn't really count as a "black lead". James Earl Jones was the voice of Mufasa in The Lion King, but did that make the character "black"?

  • May 11, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Well Panthro from Thundercats was black, right?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    When we were little kids, the African American kid in our group used to idolize Pantro "cause he's blk!!"...i dunno, just my childhood

  • May 11, 2009, 6:07 p.m. CST

    No black characters in the lion king?

    by Angua13

    Can someone explain to me why people are complaining that despite the fact The Lion King was set in Africa there was no black character.....there were no humans. It was an animal world and humans would have no fit in at all regardless of race. And as far as races, there was Ariel and

  • May 11, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    No black characters in the lion king?

    by Angua13

    Can someone explain to me why people are complaining that despite the fact The Lion King was set in Africa there was no black character.....there were no humans. It was an animal world and humans would have no fit in at all regardless of race. And as far as races, there was Ariel and Belle sure who were white. Then Jasmine - not white, Mulan - not white and Pocahontas - not white. I think its great that they're doing another movie with a new culture they've never done before but to constantly play the race card gets old.

  • May 11, 2009, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Lion King and Tarzan

    by Hipshot

    I love being called "an ignorant slut." Such a tribute to your upbringing! I should have said: "no black human beings" because there were...wait for it...black centaurs shining the white centaur's hooves in Fantasia. The white animators who told me of their days at Disney have a right to their opinions about what was going on, and if there was a black animator who worked for Disney and felt great about it, wonderful! Dream Works wasn't around for most of the 20th Century, so what they're doing is quite different, and they've had tons of black characters in their work. Lion King and Tarzan were both set in Africa, and what you often forget is that it was a creative choice not to have any human beings. What excuse can you use for Tarzan? None of this makes Disney people "bad." In fact, I LOVE Disney. The fact that certain social attitudes resulted in exclusion is simply a fact in many aspects of American life. Millions of animation cells, and not one of a black human being, and you don't find that statistical blip interesting? Wow. It is WONDERFUL that things have changed, that my son and daughter are growing up in a better world than the one I did. And speaking of pain in the past is a way to rejoice in the present and look forward to a better future. I posted to convey honest information I've gained from working in the industry for almost thirty years, starting with "The Secret of NIMH." If you don't want to believe me, cool. I don't need your approval or belief. If you use insulting language, on the other hand, you make no point at all, other than to suggest that courtesy is not your long suit. I'm only speaking to people who love film, love animation, and can discuss things reasonably. Otherwise, I have a good chuckle, and wish you well.

  • May 11, 2009, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Hunchback was my favorite of the 80's/90's Disney films

    by SK229

    That film is severely under-appreciated. The soundtrack alone, especially with regards to the film's prologue/opening is STUNNING. The color choices, the villain, and the voice actors were all top notch, and, imo, better than anything they put out in that period. I also think Mulan is pretty good... not to the level of Hunchback, but still better than it's remembered as. <p>This movie looks pretty good, and I love the way they balanced the spectacle of great 2D animation with the funny/cutesy moments of the characters in this trailer. I actually think having TOO much of that was 2D animation's downfall. Love the locale of the film too, just a great all around way to get everyone back into traditional animation.<p>As far as Pixar, I feel like with Wall-E and Up, they're finally stretching a bit, telling stories that aren't so obvious. For a while, they're stuff was becoming tired for me and I just didn't think they deserve all the kudos they get, but Wall-E actually turned out to be my favorite film of theirs yet, so... they actually DO deserve all the praise, because that was pretty unexpected!

  • May 11, 2009, 9:05 p.m. CST

    And for Tarzan

    by Angua13

    My excuse for Tarzan would be that the majority of the human characters were the english that were coming in and stealing the animals. You know all that colonization of Africa that we hate. Historically the people coming into Africa would have been white. And it was obviously an uninhabited part of the country so that story wise Tarzan grew up away from humans. It wouldn't have made much sense to have a human tribe just round the corner. Yes I know Disney have had some shady racist past, but there are reasonable reasons why there are no black characters in some movies.

  • May 11, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Tiana and Charlotte=Maddie and London?

    by Anna Valerious

    I think it's more to say how born rich people are idiots while the working class work hard and are therefore smarter to get a better life for themselves. And this video of Maddie and London is proof- http://tinyurl.com/qsq2fv (Although I suspect that they had made Maddie a little too destitute in some cases that you really want her to win...)

  • May 12, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Panthro was Blue!

    by palpatinefuckedmydog

    Not black. The voice actor was black(pop from Cosby show). So was Mumra(Adolph Caesar)

  • May 12, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Disney taints our collective unconscious

    by strosmer

    Seriously, I need another animated feature with big-eyed, talking animals and cornball humor like I need a hole in the head. Pinocchio, Snow White, Bambi, 101 Dalmatians had their technical merits, and rightful place in animation history, but beyond those features...fuck Disney, and his god damn mouse!

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