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McG & Michael Ferris Discuss Original Endings For TERMINATOR SALVATION!! + 10 Clips From The Film!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Merrick here...
io9 talked a bit to TERMINATOR SALVATION director McG & co-screenwriter Michael Ferris, who revealed some endings that were once considered for the project (but aren't actually the conclusions they're going with).
We had a jet-black ending. Connor dies, we're in a room with all the people we care about. You take Connor's likeness, you put it on the living machine of Marcus. He sits up, now looking like Christian Bale, takes a gun, kills Kate, kills Kyle, kills Star, kills everybody, eyes flare red, [snaps] the end.
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Ferris: There was an ending of intermediate darkness, in which ... the mechanical Marcus takes over as Connor and goes on to lead the resistance. It's essentially a secret to everybody, except the inner circle, that John Connor is now a robot, is now a Terminator.
...say McG and Ferris in THIS DISCUSSION with io9, which goes on to discuss more about these proposed finales & their eventual banishment.
Also, IESB has posted ten new clips from the film. They originate HERE, or you can view them via the embeds below...
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Ferris: There was an ending of intermediate darkness, in which ... the mechanical Marcus takes over as Connor and goes on to lead the resistance. It's essentially a secret to everybody, except the inner circle, that John Connor is now a robot, is now a Terminator.
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lame
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Gee, why not just show the whole dang flick?
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but I am having trouble...
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Either of these ideas would have been better.
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May 08, 2009 9:19:11 PM CDT
ALL YOUR PG 13 FLICKS ARE BELONG TO US
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
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Whether they changed it due to a) the suits wanting to keep things PG-13, and that ending sounds very R. b) the crazy fan reaction when the rumour of John becoming 'metal' emerged. When will the get that the fans are fucking STUPID and should never be listened to??? It was probably the suits though.
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is all this is. The presence of Michael Ironside is all it has in its favour (who's great in everything).The sublime Terminator 2 reigns supreme, cunts. You know it and I know it.Eddie Furlong also put in a greater performance as John Connor than growly voiced Bale, if these clips are anything to go by. Don't worship false idols! Weep for Arnold, you plebs!!!
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I'm sure it had the loud music stings and all.
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but i would rather not have seen the squashing of the Big T...leave us some surprises.
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Really that says it all.
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won't be seeing this, i'll wait to see the arnold scene on youtube.
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and of course the actresses are all the model types with great hair...because in the horrible nightmare future, girls still like to be pretty.
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this footage, combined with the stuff from the trailers, makes this film seem really epic. I think some talkbackers need to get laid or something. Seriously, why is everyone so pissy about everything?
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do a barrel roll and stop crying about your feelings.
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terminator can no longer get laid cos mcg cut its balls off.
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I'm becoming a proud supporter...only 13 more days to go. I think you may have pulled it off.
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wow...bunch of bullshit right there. I wo\ill not watch 1 of those clips....you see, i enjoy watching a STORY unfold for the first time WITHOUT knowing exactly what's gonna' happen next. Kinda like thgood ol', 70's, 80's and early 90's...FUCK you corporate Hollywood. (i do hope the movie is pretty good when i do see it...but im worried.)
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T2 blows this shitty shit out of the water. Did you hear the Batman voice when he's talking to Marcus? What the fuck is this shit?
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In the 4 minute clip...(1:52 - down shot on the captives herding through the gates. T-600 in foreground has blue screen underpants.
Grounding shadows on moto's during chase and jawless t-800 cranium sliding on ground are horrible...get a better lighting artist on that quick...
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blow... even the current one... pure cheese. I don't blame Cameron if he doesn't sign off on it.
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Go to Universal Studios and see T2-3D if you want to see the future the way its supposed to be. Fuck this looks SO fucking STUPID! Cheap ass submarine soundstage FUCK!
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This doesn't feel a damn thing like the Terminator I remember.
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Pretty ballsy by the studio to put these up, considering how bad they are.
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They're not going to give the sweet meat away.
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Those scenes were fucking amateur. The movie doesn't look professional to me. Bummer...I was looking forward to this too.
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smart geeks have realistic expectaions...the dumb ones thing every new geeky film will be great even after so many disappointments in the past.
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I'm sure you brain deads will like it.
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i think ive seen the whole movie already.
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All the crybabies will go and watch this so they have something to hate, because if they don't have something to hate they don't have a fucking life.
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May 08, 2009 10:41:05 PM CDT
The live-action remake of Team America (AKA GI JOE) is looking b
by jim jam bongs
Compared to last summer, the overall quality of movies this summer just doesn't look good. I'm already sensing that in the end, the best movies will be Star Trek and Pixar's Up, with District 9 getting honorable mention in the "arthouse sci-fi" category.
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Wow, this looks pretty crappy. Seems early reports of Fanboy Jesus, Christian Bale, over-acting are just about spot on. This is just about what I expected from McG though. This looks more like an episode of Sarah Conner Chronicles than it does a real Terminator movie. Sending all these clips out smells a bit of desperation to me. I’ll be waiting to be disappointed by it when it comes out on DVD. I always thought the raspy whisper voice Bale did for Batman was way over the top. It’s even more so here.
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May 08, 2009 10:42:22 PM CDT
...(AKA GI JOE) is looking better than Terminator Salvation...
by jim jam bongs
Damn short subject headlines on these talkback forums.
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though I paid to see star trek in imax so I don't know how credible that makes me
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If not for the fact that "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" has been pretty entertaining, I wouldn't care about this movie much at all.
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I'm not jazzed up for it. A better director and a better score would have helped a lot. Danny Elfman doesn't compose anything interesting anymore.
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Another thing, all the fanboys who thought this was going to be good just because Bale was in it really do underestimate what a director does for a film. This film, I dare say, is going to illustrate that point quite well. A good director gets a better performance out of an actor. For all Bale’s abilities, it doesn’t mean a thing if there’s not a director who doesn’t know how to pull the right performance out of him. Cameron, McG ain’t….by a really long shot.
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but again, I paid to see star trek in imax, so I don't know how credible I am
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because of two reasons...Mc and G! The first movie was the best. Kyle said they had to travel at night. This is all in the day. Cyberdyne launches a nuclear attack and then makes MOTORCYCLES?! This has suck written all over it! It has a "I'm ripping off Transformers and the Batpod" feel about it. I'll stick to Terminator and the sequel, T2, even though the second broke the rules set up in one.
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May 08, 2009 10:50:18 PM CDT
i wish the had the balls to stick with the original ending
by bmacsmith
too bad geeks had to get all whiny about it. it was really a ballsy twist.
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Bitching about the clips, suggesting the shitty fucking ending. It's obvious so stop fucking talking about it. Check out Terminatorfiles.com where you know..people actually care and don't just bitch because they can't get off to their daily dose of bestiality.
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if its as good as the trailer looked, im good. dont care about the rating. probably. we'll see.
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May 08, 2009 10:53:58 PM CDT
"and of course the actresses are all the model types with great
by whothefuckcares
What mothafuckin' HaterofCrap said. Blair Williams? The bitch looks like he's in the sarah mothafuckin' chronicles! That shit is tv show lookin' bad!
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They were just bad enough to convince me to save the $50 bucks for my wife and I by not seeing this turd as a movie night. I'll wait for Blueray.
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During this movie, Or I'll go Bale on your ass!
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I sense a backfire coming from showing this much in advance, not one thing I've seen has grabbed me. Hearing NIN in the trailer had more hook than anything else I've seen of this thing since. Fucking armature.
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Wolverine just made eleventy billion dollars despite weeks of bitching and moaning. this will make more (maybe deservedly so).
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Fuck! Amateur. Don't drink and type.
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This already PWNS T2. PG-13 rating is irrelevant. Acting seems a bit stiff, but otherwise it looks great. Can't wait!
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The Terminator franchise would have been better if they stuck with the original storyline. Meaning, T2 starts us right at Judgement Day. The first act is Sarah and young John Conner preparing for the unstoppable nuclear attack. We go back and forth from the Conners hiding, freaking out and the chaos happening as Skynet is taking over all the computers. It could start off with messing with the traffic lights, causing fatal accidents of all kinds. You get the picture. The second half of the movie would be nuclear devestation and the plight of the survivors. Soon, Terminators start killing survivors, humans living underground like rats, pain, despair etc... It ends with John Conner grown up, a trained bad ass telling everyone who will listen to stand up and fight these fucking machines! (Think Scott's Patton speech) FADE OUT: Credits. A perfect setup for T3, which writes itself. Future war. You end that one with JC blowing up Skynet, winning the war, but first having to send his dad Reese back in time, because Skynet was able to send a Terminator back in time to kill his mom. The end. Everything is tyed up. With that scenario, you guarantee "T3" would be a blockbuster. Why does Hollywood have to fuck it all up everytime? How about sticking to the original storyline and building on it once in a while? What do you guys think?
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I hateto say it, but I don't hate to say it 'cause it's true,which it is. Him being in this movie promotes/shows its cheapness with flying colors. It eems like a direct-to-video flick, something vern should be reviewing. And how is everybody on Bale's dick? Didn't this mothafucka do Reign Of Fire?
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I feel you on T2 it never grabbed me the way the first one did, but I guess I wanted Salvation to look and feel more like Kyle's nightmare/memories from T1, but this just isn't cutting it yet.
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That really was way too much of the movie to be revealing at this stage. It feels desperate.
Also, personally, the actor who plays the general or whatever who relieves Connor is awful - he has been in dozens of movies and always played the same role and delivered every line with the same bs "I'm in command" tone. He sucks.
Still looking forward to the movie - hope they have some tricks up their sleeves, because this looks by the numbers.
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fuck outta here with that pg-13 bullshit.
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This movie looks terrible from the previews. It looks like the completely castrated one of the greatest and most violent franchises ever to make it more marketable for kids. Hell, T3 was pretty good when the T-X was gunning down little kids and teenagers. It is supposed to be a violent franchise. McG should have made Bale and Worthington wear skirts during the entire movie because Terminator Salvation has no balls.
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It made 85.1 mill, HRADLY anything to be bragging and being WRONG about. Eleventy billion? That movie will drop like a hooker's knees. 85 million is garbage in this day and age. Did you fuckin' SEE what dark knight made in one day on its opening weekend last year? You act like this bullshit made dark knight money. Again, where do you get this shit?
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I wouldn't be too surprised if had a decent opening but I seriously doubt it'll have any staying power. More likely scenario is a big drop off after opening weekend. Guess we'll see soon enough. Whatever happens, it'll be interesting to watch. I'm sure Harry will give it a glowing review.
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An ending like that is too easy. Its basically, "ooh, lets go for shock value... we'll kill connor and make him into a terminator." It's not original, its a huge cop out. Im happy the suits changed this.
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WTF have you done to my beloved franchise. Sparks factories, cliched shitty dialogue, ridiculous dramatic staging, cheese factor out the ass, man in suit, and obviously someone watched Children of Men but ended up channeling cyborg. The bit with Blair and Marcus talking had the gravitas of a scene from Team America. They're even looking away from each other for dramatic effect and having clever dialogue for no reason. BULLSHIT. FUCK YOU MCDOUCHE. GO BACK TO MAKING SUGAR RAY VIDEOS YOU FUCKING FASTLANE PILOT DIRECTING PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. And I thought Jonah Nolan wrote this, or at least McG keeps bragging about it. But now he's doing press with the real writer.
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I love the Terminator franchise, have spent countless dollars on buying it in so many forms. I love Christian Bale in a sorta gay way for a straight guy. I love postapocalyptic action movies. Right now I am deciding not to see this, as I chose not to see Watchmen. I can catch all this stuff on Bluray via Netflix someday instead of dealing with the expense of the cinema. Next time hire a director who gets this shit instead of poses that they do.
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back in time so he could steal songs for the future or some shit.
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Are you drunk right now? Just to be clear, i was exaggerating (i thought it was obvious since it wasnt a real number). 85 mil plus around 70+ million worldwide. if you think that is garbage youre fucking nuts. And Dark Knight was the most anticipated and was actually good, so I can expect a little more from that. Wolverine made more than enough to make the producers and studio execs very rich and very sure of themselves, and thats just in one week. Dont yell at me pal, deal with being irrelevent.
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Go to James Cameron and ask him who he would have do it, instead of a soul patch wearing douchenozzle who lies that he has Cameron's blessing.
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May 08, 2009 11:47:18 PM CDT
How come AICN never mentioned the greenlit Deadpool movie?
by bmacsmith
not that i care, but it is big (sad) comic movie news. I guess AICN is still butt hurt over not getting free screenings. or maybe rottentomatoes didnt tell them to post it.
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May 08, 2009 11:54:12 PM CDT
WE'LL I JUST SAVED 10 DOLLARS WATCHING THESE CLIPS...
by returnofthecreepythinman
Because there is no way I'm going to see this in a theatre. I avoided Wolverine but got suckered in with Star Trek because they made a few good looking trailers and the way people have been slobbering over that piece of shit but I will NOT allow myself to be robbed by another shitty movie directed by a hack and written by another pair of retarded chimps. I had some hope that this summer was going to be good but it looks like we're just being fed the same re-heated shit that Hollywood keeps serving. More fucking sequels, remakes and reboots. About the only movie I’m really looking forward to this summer is Harry Potter which is at least based on a series of novels. Are there really no great books out there that could be made into fantastic movies or is Hollywood to illiterate to actually read unless it’s a worldwide best seller? The first part of this fucking decade had at least one great movie every six months or so, X-Men 1 & 2, Lord of the Rings, Spider-man 1 & 2, Hulk, Charlies Angels 1 & 2, , V for Vendetta, Casino Royale, Pirates of the Carribean, Harry Potter etc…and now we are stuck in the summer of 2009 with nothing but shit made by fucking hacks like Michael Bay, McG, J.J. Abrams, Steven Sommers and Zack Snyder, people who are incapable of making anything but trash that operates only on a surface level with no substance.
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haha do a barrel roll....fucking classic. And all of you guys know you'll be there opening weekend. This looks epic, and its gotta be better than T3
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With all those shitty ending choices, it must have been hard to pick just one.
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I'm genuinely surprised. I was looking forward to this film, actually. I tend to let a lot of things slide with these summer popcorn flicks and just enjoy the ride. These clips aren't entertaining me. Between the trailers and these clips, I think there's enough context to fairly assess that this just isn't going to be my thing. I'm saving my money for something else.
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The clips have really surprised me, and not in a good way. Why the hell did they even release these? If you're going to show something at least make it interesting, but several volumes of meh is no way to draw people in. The four minute trailer I saw on some other sites at least showed a little eye candy, but these were just overacting and bad dialog, what the hell?
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I thought he only did it in the batman movies as like a character thing (i.e. bruce wayne would wanna disguise his famous voice) so I thougt it was good. But seeing it like this is just fucking lame.
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When Bale was talking about people killing Sarah and Kyle , I kept expecting someone to come and check those lights that were in the background. I wonder what the tracking is looking like for this, since I've yet to see any reason to be excited about it. It wouldn't surprise me if this ended up being the first box office dud of the summer.
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Have a scene near the very end where we see multiple Terminators going to different places in the past, then have one appear in a lush tropical setting.A naked man walks up to another man and asks "Is your' name Adam?"Second man replies "Yes... I thought I was the only one with one of those dangly things between my legs?", and then he is killed by getting gut punched by other man (robot!).
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Does indeed look epic, as an earlier talkbacker said. All signs are point to McG actually coming through with this one. The Dark Knight proved that a movie doesn't have to be rated R to be a good movie, and that a pg-13 movie doesn't mean that the movie will be bloodless. So I don't understand why so many of you are freaking out at the fact that this movie is going to be rated pg-13. After all, it's been clearly stated that the only two scene that they had to cut was some random screw driver stabbing scene, and the "moon bloodgood nudity" scene, which I would imagine was the only real thing in the movie that warranted an "R" rating in the first place. It's almost as if you haters are just mad that you're not going to get a glimpse at Bloodgood boobies....oh....waitaminute...I think I just asnwered my own question.
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Aww, did Robodaddy fall down go boom boom? Aww. I'm assuming the median age for the borderline psychotic fan of T2 is like, what, 15-25? As in, it was one of the first movies you saw and are therefore COMPLETELY incapable of judging objectively? Worse than that, but over-identifying with it to the extent that you seem to think it actually IS you, rather than just something you enjoy (the Classic Geek Schizophrenic), hence the borderline sociopathic level of anger which arises from the Obese Virgin Sect. Dancing little monkeys, so fat and lame, eternally virginal, jerking it to AHHRNULDS buttcheeks in the Eternal Mothers Basement of the Soul...Have fun on opening weekend as your fat butts will be in the seats watching it over and over and over again, shoving fistfuls of artery clogging buttery popcorn down distended, stretch-marked, humongous gullets, "hating" the movie so much you will only see it 7 more times... today...
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Probably still gonna see it though, so I have no one to blame but myself.
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hate robots after T2 and he realizes they can be turned. Now, I've never watched T3, so maybe something happened to cement this prejudice. Can anyone answer?
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They don't service the characters OR the story in anyway. It's just a bullshit gimmick- let's give the audience something they wouldn't expect!- which makes the entire story up to that point meaningless. Those endings don't do anything except shock- they are pointless. Now, it would be interesting if they grafted Connor's likeness onto that of a terminator, BUT ONLY if they also gave it Connor's mind. Making it Marcus is stupid, as would be making it a standard terminator. But give Connor, the leader of human resistance a secret machine body, and suddenly he can be the godlike mythical figure he's supposed to be.
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"I strongly suspect the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011," he said. "John Connor is going to travel back in time and he's going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They've figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you're going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be fucking awesome. I also think he's going to meet a scientist that's going to look a lot like present-day Robert Patrick [who famously played the T-1000 in Terminator 2], talking about stem-cell research and how we can all live as idealized, younger versions of ourselves."
... fucking seriously? How in the fuck does that meet any existing continuity in this series? Will Bale meet himself as played by Nick Stahl? Judgment day has happened the man vs machine war is on to quote Kurt Russel as Wyatt Earp, "Fight's commenced! Get to fightin' or get away!" Focus on where the story is at McG. Don't fall back on the time travel shit, its been done and done to death in three Terminators previous, show us how they win the fuckin war or back outta the fuckin franchise with a little dignity and let a better director show us. Don't just rewrite the fucking thing in a way that negates everything before it or your own shitty installment in it.
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i mean, it is awesome and its one of my favorite movies when i was young, but come the fuck on. Blame T2 if you must, but you will never get another small budget horror flick with outdated FX. Terminator is about large budget blockbuster action now, and im cool with that.
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From article "McG Wants Terminator 5 to Bend Time" at Latino Review posted 05/04/09:
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You've been had, but you'll line up and pay for this shit anyway, you worthless weaklings.
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Connor starts a habit of taking some dog medication, so I think that might've fucked with his head.and spoiler: He is told that he gets killed by a Terminator, specifically the Terminator that is sent back in that movie to protect him (Arnold was bad then good).
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when i sit down to see this film i am expecting to be entertained. how can people place such a high level of importance on a film about human killing robots. it probably won't be as good as t2, better than t3. try to enjoy it for what it is, entertainment.
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i agree with turning Connor into Marcus would suck, but i think the idea of Connor becoming a machine is cool as hell, as long as he's still Connor (at least eventually).
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They should make Connor into a terminator but as himself (ala Marcus). That would be cool - so not only now will he lead the resistance, he's the only one that can fight the machines cause he is one...why can't hollywood get it right.
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so i dont really care about the rating. Its still a cool story with Dark Knight level of violence. and its not like i was gonna see a lot of pointless nudity in a Terminator flick, so i fail to see what i'll be missing. T2 had a couple of scenes that i suspect were added just to get a rated R, and it would have been just as good without them. contrast that with Robocop, which was all about ridiculous violence. if they remake that fucker as PG-13, i will burn hollywood to the fucking ground.
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...But, also becoming a cyborg. They could've just had him been mortally wounded (he's not quite dead) and then have the same thing done to him as Marcus.
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What a bunch of sad fucking hating cunts.Anyone who judges this film shit just because its pg13 even tho u have not even seen it yet ,just shows what pathetic pricks u really are,
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Make Connor have to become cyborg himself in order to carry on the fight. The dramatic and action set piece possibilites are endless. It's right there in their fucking faces. But it doesn't matter, everything I saw in those clips has a tv tone, a tv tone to dramatic presentation. Fuck your average episode of Friday Night Lights has more nuance and subtlety and honesty.
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irony sweet irony
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... About storytelling. The original endings were terrible, and his idea for the sequel is terribly amateur, like a middle-schooler's fanfiction written inside his trapper keeper.
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His prejudice against robots just seems forced, like Will Smith's in I robot though.
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the whole bleach bypass type shit is getting old. Also, the whole feel of the 4 min trailer felt like Resident Evil: Extinction meets Transformers. I think Worthington will really break out in Clash of the Titans...should be cool.
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I guess he wants to use the "stem cell angle" as a way to explain how the T-800's heal the extreme physical damage they receive to their organics, but really; just say the machines perfected the technique via human experimentations on captured human subject ala Joseph Mingela, there on line of dialogue vs the shit he has planned
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Yes, Bmac, Connor as a terminator is a great idea because it makes for an interesting story-he becomes the thing he hates, but he also becomes the one thing that can save the resistance (a machine savior mimicking Arnie in T2), a larger than life figure whose reputation becomes legendary among humanity. It fucking WORKS in context of the story. But McG is too braindead to realize that. He thinks "Lets fuck with the audience, let's make Connor a terminator that kills everyone! Or let's put his skin on Marcus so now Marchs has to pretend to be a great leader! They'll never expect it!" Hes so preoccupied with shitty shock and awe that he can't see the good story hidden away in the retarded idea (which we were able to mine).
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I think Sam's break will come even sooner in Avatar
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lost an opportunity to slowly destroy Connor throughout the movie and have him replace limbs with robot parts and he has to deal with whether he is more machine or human.
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The production budget was $150 million... not counting marketing (which is probably another 50 mil). Wolverine has made $182,332,696 (world wide). It likely hasn't even broken even yet. Star Trek will likely blow Wolverine out of the water box office wise.... all the critical praise... and the buzz is enormous.
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Not for me, ta.Wonder what Cameron thinks?
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If the machines tip their hat on a massive scale BEFORE Skynet is finished or put online we win. The world governments would simply shelve the project and the time line would cease. I mean I’m just a History teacher, I don’t know quantum theory, alternating time lines, or string theory in a refined enough way to even begin to see how this would make any sense at all in terms of how the machines come to power. Is it just fate or predestination the way T3 made it out to be? That just feels like a cop out. Or what the machines just pour legion upon legion through the time gate to fight? I don’t get it.
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it might work if he was able to regain his humanity later, but thats been done to death at this point (Robocop), so they would have to do it in a unique way, which i doubt they could do. talk about writing yourself into a hole.
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but is it just me or is there something really really really off about how he is delivering his lines in these clips?
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more modern day terminator fighting? why? is there anything left to say at this point? Since T1, people have wanted a post apocalyptic Terminator, and yet they still want to trot out the same damn movie over and over. The first Terminator seemed to establish that time travel was a rare and difficult feat, but by now it seems that anyone with a computer can travel back in time. let it fucking go!
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I agree. That’s the whole problem with McG. He doesn’t think what’s good for the story. He seems to only think like a 12 year old would think. Oh this would really cool if we had skynet be able to send machines back in time and oh this would be cool or oh hey if we did this it would really fuck with people; all of it with absolutely no consideration for whether or not it fits in the story arc. He’s just not the caliber of director that it would take to do the Terminator franchise justice. You only have to look at those scenes above to see it. Not one of those scenes looked like anything other than a mediocre movie. The purpose of releasing stuff like that is to get people excited about the movie. Looks like about 90% of the people who have seen it here came away under-whelmed. Personally I couldn’t give a shit whether or not the film is PG-13 or if it has nudity or whatever. All I care about is that it’s a good story, well told. From the looks of those scenes I see nothing that would indicate T4 is anything but a mediocre film, made by a mediocre director who squandered an A-list star.
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Ala, he only has parts of him become mechanic but his basic humanity remains, then it would be open to deeper levels of philosophical pondering, mainly "Fight not with monsters lest ye become one" (springs to mind).If Connor was out to destroy the machines, but was only able to do that because the machines existed would parallel the fact that Judgement Day had to happen in order for it to be battled.Then again, the fact that the 'facts' of the first film was negated, only to turn out to be true makes it seem that we might not be talking time travel, but dimensional change.I dunno, it is a movie, so anything goes.Do I see Nazi Terminators? (yes I do, in comics)
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what, were they going to be able to download JC's memory into Marcus?! Hell, Marcus is more advanced than the T-1000 for God's sake? how does this even jive with those who keep talking about the timeline being sacrosanct!? The initial infiltration units had "rubber skin, we spotted them easy"...how does Marcus fit into that? And I agree with the other comment about the resistance traveling only at night...i'll take robo daddy any day...I think Laserpants is too hard on T2 - Arnold was in the process of changing his image at that point in his career to be a "good guy", so it was unlikely he'd participate in T2 if he just repeated his role as a killing machine...
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...without seeing it in it's entirely is a moron.
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This shit was over before it even started. T4 will be nothing but an appetizer to the main course of the summer, ROTF bitches:)
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to come here under a fake name...posing as a fan and typing how great TS will be. Nothing can change the fact that the current ending is utter sh**. At least, there's Public Enemies this summer.
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so you go blow the cash to see it and then report back to us what a waste of money it was to have gone. It makes prejudgments based on seeing almost 15 dismal minutes of final cut a little more satisfying. And more thrifty. You can’t tell me these scenes have made you want to see this more. My god this is what; 1/10 of the movie, not counting the action scenes we’ve already seen the best parts of in the trailers, the most recent of which was over four minutes long and still didn’t impress me. Buy my ticket and I’ll go. Disprove my opinion based on what has been shown, not on blind speculation it will be good or bad. I am judging based on what I have seen so far and its not something I’m spending $24 for my wife and I to see and another $26 on popcorn, cokes, and candy. No thanks. This one is going in the rental category until I have more info.
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i'm beginning to hate m.night's sixth sense more and more everyday. i hate the legacy it helped create. every hack directors in the world now do twists endings just to show us how 'clever' they all are when in fact they're just hacks.
cant anybody tell a straight forward story anymore? even the fact that reese is john's father is revealed naturally in the first film, without fanfare. these hacks though, they always feel like they have to shout their twists, with loud music, and at the very end of the film. newsflash: you're not as smart as you think, you're just a hack! -
anyone who mindlessly shells out money to see crap is the moron. Not saying this is, it looks cool to me, but saying its moronic to prejudge movies is, well, moronic.
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comes from McG. It never sat with me that he got his hands on this. Now if it had been one of the Scott brothers, or someother director who greatest schievement to this point had NOT been Charlies Angels I would have more faith going in, but McG... I just cant stir up enough good grace to trust him with this.
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I was really worried about JJ Abrhams doing Trek, but Ladynero, being as big a geek as me, really wanted to see it and all the reviews were good, so we went. Yep, I liked it, a lot. If she really wants to see Salvation and the reviews are mostly cool I'll go. If not she can take her sis, the fellow geek and Balehead.
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http://sify.com/movies/hollywood/fullstory.php?id=14885687&cid=2360
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I only looked at a few clips but what's the bitching all about?
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Its about 4:30AM here on the east coast so fellas I'm out of here. Sun, Laser, Mac, Guy, Vader, Turing, Vedder, Usul, Jones et al good night. its been fun. And Rider too true, man.
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Wasn't there a promise initially, that this was going to be R rated? I'll still see it, looks like a fairly decent flick from what we've seen.
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Most of you clowns wouldn't know a good time if it took a shit in your laps. Run home and cry to your mommas, you dumb douches.
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Is it just me or does this movie feel small? It totally lacks scope. I wanted to see huge battle fields, terminator generals, etc. Saving Private Ryan type battles only with terminators.
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movie, but then as we started to find out more things about it, the casting etc..I got interested, and i thought, hey the future war could be really cool. But to be really honest, those reviews that revealed what sound like a really shitty ending, and the more clips im seeing...im just really losing interest fast. I dont think I will be seeing this anymore. Im sorry but im not interested in a decent or halfway good terminator sequal...been there done that with T3, and it turned out to be ok, but ultimatly forgettable. As others have pointed out, whats with all the daylight stuff? It doesn t fit with what was established in the first two movies. And the resistance seems way too organized have way too much hardware..fighter jets? Isnt this supposed to take place after a nuclear war with EMP? should nt the sky be scorched? Sorry, bit go watch the future war scenes in T1, this doesnt even come close to what we were told in the first 2 movies...
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that's exactly the kind of stuff that wouldnt work in the terminator universe. we're meant to be rats on the run from our exterminators - not salvation's vision of a sophisticated resistance with submarines and hangers full of hi-tech aircraft and shitloads of weapons. it's crazy. actually the really crazy thing is that we even survived judgement day, i dont buy that at all. skynet set off hundreds of nukes that day (and probably loads more by 2029) and theres still people alive on earth?! fuck it, i'm rooting for the machines.
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May 09, 2009 4:39:47 AM CDT
McG just trying to sound cool with the even darker ending
by juansanchez
Either the even darker ending is just a lie or they shot it just for the DVD. No way it was ever seriously considered. He's just trying to distract from the crappy less dark original ending that was THE ENDING until it leaked. Total crap.
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Why wouldn't that work? I mean Skynet has the superior technology and I assume a huge army of terminators. I'm just saying why not expand the visions of the future we saw in T1 & T2. I never said give the resistance superior weaponry. I also think a terminator general would have been fucking cool. This franchise needs a Vader like character.
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Why to go, Not! Obviously they had a plan to make a sequel after that. That would somehow bring Kyle Reese back for sure and maybe the other characters. The sequel could be about finding the time travel device and going back to prevent this incident. Mori got pissed off about this ending!?!?!?! It was played out as a cliffhanger and a false note, that would later be fixed somehow through time travel to stop it- Obviously. That would have been an intense cliffhanger and I fucking hate McG, andNot because this site tells me I should. He's just not the guy I thought they should hand this Franchise over to. Damnit Mori! you fucked over this and Krypton Lex Luther. Stop spoiling things like this!
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I thought the latest trailer kicked ass, but these clips are very underwhelming. The whole saving one person to protect the future thing was kind of the point of the first two Terminators, but now that we're actually in the future, its a but lame to STILL be doing that shit (We have to save Kyle Rees!), and I don't know what tothink of the Marcus stuff, it feels like they're struggling for something to hang their story on so they invent a mystery terminator to drag the movie along with the "what can he be?!?" angle. And to repeat above posters, Batman growly voice= ugh. I can tolerate it in Batman, but I quickly hate it here.
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Nuff said.
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It's way more advanced than the terminators we've seen before. It's seems like it's from the future. You might be able to say that the one version of the future was changed and because it was changed this high tech terminator traveled into the past. Instead of winding up in the correct past relative to it's future it arrived at a different past an alternate past. Savvy? Remember the whole debate on what future is the real future we face depending on what inb the past might have altered it. I get the new terminator plot device and the need for it. It's too much like us this time, and it doesn't seem to have any directive in the beginning. So John doesn't trust it, but at the same time he wants to know why it is as convincing as it is. Most of you are looking at it wrong. Your all like "Well the Terminators are rubber skinned and easy to spot pieces of shit" Yeah current models are in this battles timeline, bu8t whos to say marcus isn't form the future and liek a i said an alternate future that was erased after shortly after he traveled back in time. Going to go a little Doc Briwn on you here. The obvious answer the past was changed at the exact moment he traveled back in time and it screwed him up and destoryed the future he originated from. Savvy? If it came from the future. it started from a different past. One that existed before the arm and chip were destroyed. Then it could be what it is. Are you understanding this. I know the body comes from a dead killer from 2011 or 2013 and he donated his body to research but what 2011 or 2013 did he come from? and when or how was the body used??? Thats where you all are trapped in your worlds of not possible you to concerned with the skin and mind choosen for the model. Maybe he was frozen for all those years. Plotline Save one man. Kyle Reese. A Conner must Learn that not all machines are evil. Same message we got in T2. But not bad per say.
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A BARELL ROLL!
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:::let's try this again:::: It's way more advanced than the Terminators we've seen before. It's seems like it's from the future. You might be able to say that One Version of an alternative future was changed by an alternative past at the exact moment becuase it traveled into the past it was aiming for at the exact same moment when the a much older past was rewritten, and because this previous past wasn't alter until the exact moment it traveled into the future past it choose to kill Reese. It remained this high tech human like terminator. It did not wind up in the correct past relative to the future it arrived from.
Remember the whole debate on what future is the real future we face depending on what in the past was altered.
I get the new terminator plot device and the need for it. It's too much like us this time, and it doesn't seem to have any directive in the beginning. You can explain the Directive loss because of the pre past new alteration. John doesn't trust it, but at the same time he wants to know why it is as convincing as it appears to be. Most of you are looking at it wrong. Your all like "Well the Terminators are rubber skinned and easy to spot pieces of shit in this period of the future war"
100% correct.
Current models are in this battles timeline, but who's to say Marcus isn't from a wiped out future an alternate future that was erased at the exact time he traveled back in time to kill Reese. Going to go a little Doc Briwn on you here. The obvious answer the past was changed at the exact moment he traveled back in time and it screwed him up and erased his directive orders, but he remained the superior advanced Terminator model based on the jump in technology provided by the arm and chip that Cyberdyne had.
Savvy?
He came from that futures outline. It started from a different past that was erased but it was erased at the exact moment he traveled back in time. That arm and chip was being captured in 1991, when he leaped. Then it could be what it is.
I know the body and mind comes from a dead deathrow killer from 2011 or 2013 who donated his body to research, but what 2011 or 2013 did he come from? and when or how was that body used??? That's where you all are trapped in your worlds of "It's not possible!" You are to concerned with the skin and mind choosen for that model. Maybe he was frozen for all those years and only found and used around that moment in the future when he was made and shipped back wiht the directive to kill John and Reese. The past is coming into it new chage phase at the exact moment he leaps. He comes over screwed up on certain things like his directive, but he leaped early enough that his body and technolgy remain untouched.
Plotline Save one man. Kyle Reese. A Conner must Learn that not all machines are evil, again. Same message we got in T2. But not bad per say.
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well, at least i didn't get my hopes up about this one...
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Bale stands alone.
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May 09, 2009 6:24:52 AM CDT
Now This Looks Like A Real Movie! The New Star Trek Movie...
by media messiah
...however, is a piece of trash!!! I really think that Terminator 4 will be the movie of the summer. Those clips play beautifully!!!
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Looks dark and moody which is reassuring, the Terminator effects look well done (on a small window anyway) and it has Michael Ironside in it.Bit a shame it seems that Connor is trying to save a world populated entirely by massive wankers but hey ho - I can put that down to the fighting on the brink of extinction thing. And the unavailability of good smoke in a post apocalyptic world probably doesn't help.
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Plus it has Giant Robots. I'm there.
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AND THEN GO PUNCH MY MOTHER IN THE FACE -- as spoken by Christian Bale
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It does kinda look like a sci-fi channel made flick. Ugh, guess this "franchise" ended with T2.
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... clips, the flick seems to have been made with the same flair as an episode of ... "The Sarah Connor Chronicles": derivative. Workmanlike. Banal. And Sam Worthington's American accent is inconsistent; unprofessional. Just not good enough, I'm sorry. I hope to god he did better for the King of the World.
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And damn him and the greedy studio suits to hell. And everyone who defends this fucking teenie film, too.But then again, who cares? A V A T A R will mightily fuck our eyeballs this very December and nothing else matters.
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At this point, nothing can be as bad as Wolverine, so I still have some hope for this. That being said, some of the clips are weak, others are decent. I'm really hoping this will fall on the decent side. Now, off to see Trek again. There's a movie that got things right...
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I still think Transformers RoTF will rule the box office this year. This doesn't really look like a sequel, more like a start of a new series of films, so those who are trying to tie it back to Cameron's film, don't even try. Its obvious they are taking liberties with these new films. In Terminator, Kyle Reese described John Connor as a Great Leader, one who was a God like figure to the men and women fighting in the Resistance. I would rather see a quiet no nonsense Connor. I feel Bale will do nothing for this role. I like Christan Bale, don't get me wrong, I just felt that with the little taste we have gotten of his characterization of John Connor, it will clash with what I believed John Connor of the future war was, a bad ass leader you would take a bullet for. Truth be told, I would have rather seen a film based on the Sarah Connor Chronicles instead. Oh well. I will check it out at the show, but going in there with low expectations. It looks like a prequel to the matrix series! Hey, I just got an idea! I can't wait for the Fan Edit combining the Matrix films and the Terminator Series.....I bet Neo is John Connors descendant! Come on, someone do it. I would definitely check that out.
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May 09, 2009 8:13:46 AM CDT
And a hearty FUCK YOU to all bums defending TDK's "violence"...
by motoko kusanagi
...because that movie had absolutely ZERO violence, led alone blood. Fuck this teenage bullshit.
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Christian Bale should have gone with the voice he is using in these clips instead of what we ended up with in the Batman films (especially TDK). Intense, deep, and much more natural.
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For the love of Crom!!..listen to you pieces od shit whine. My God you people need to get laid..or at least whack off all ove your computers. Stop fucking whining, wait two weeks, and go do something productive with your lives.
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Actually, the clips I've seen look pretty good. At least McG knows how to film action. The real question is whether or not his is capable of filming a decent story line.
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...and this movie still looks dog shit.
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Thanks for the below average clips. You just saved me from wasting 2 hrs of my life.
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Can't believe a writer would write that into a movie. So cliche.
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May 09, 2009 8:44:05 AM CDT
I have the feeling this will make T3 look like the Golden Age of
by biggusdickus
Meh.
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...damn cut off points!
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No Terminator film. End of story.
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The problem I have with this movie from what I've seen so far is the same I had with T3. It doesnt seem to have an iota of respect to the original story or feel of the first 2 movies. There was a level of down-to-earth tone to the first 2 despite it's subject matter. The show sort of got it, but T3 and what I've seen from this one feels like they missed the point. The first two at least seemed intelligent but since then, it's been just all "Lookit our special effects!" while ignoring the fact that the characters kind of drove the story before. Arnold telling the clerk to talk to the hand and putting on silly glasses was just insulting to the first two movies.
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..This movie looks just how I thought it would. The dream sequences in T1 and T2 are extremely dated, with the silly laser sounds and over the top blue lighting. This is a much more grounded take on it. Plus I'm excited to see the Marcus Wright Character, it's something new. This movie kind of has the feel of Reign of Fire(that was a pretty good flick for what it was),actually this movie feels a lot like that one. Last note, all you people complaining about it being PG-13 need to get over it, seriously. Sure I enjoy blood as much as the next guy but movies need to make money.
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Actually, it would make a good prequel to the Matrix movies.
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bit about the future sequences being dated from the first 2 movies. They were more grounded dude. Look at the future scenes in the first movie, people looked really fucked up, they have almost nothing, they look like refugees that have been through genocide, that are in fear for their very existence as a piece. They only really seem to have weoponary that they got from the machines. They are living in bombed out underground shelters where tpeople seem to be surviving off eating rats. Nevermind that Reese makes it very clear that its only safe to go out at night..presumably becos its the only time its safe fof humans to sneak around with any chance of not being detected.
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Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true!Avatar - the only one that matters. Motoko was a true prophet.
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light, the human resistence seems really organized and they seem to have a lot of equipment and hardware for people living in a post nuclear world. would nt it be dark becos of all the debris and the nuclear dust that would be in the atmosphere? Would nt most hardware be fucked from EMP blasts from the nuclear bombs? I fully realize im judging a lot based on clips, but thats how it seems. And the big deal for me dude is that if the ending described by those reviews is real, then clearly this film will be bookended by a shitty begining and ending. It seems that T4 is going to end up being as forgettable as T3. And as I stated earlier i just cant get myself to care or put effort into seeing another adequate/decent terminator movie. If its not going to be able to stand the test of time like the first two, then i really just dont give a shit anymore....i hope you enjoy it and it entertains you my friend (sincerely) but im sick of hacks like McG...
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those clips?
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are living in military bases that look a bit like the special forces camp in black hawk down..yeah they really look on the brink of extinction the way reese described it in T1...
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Thy really did look like they survived a nuclear holocaust. They were dirty, malnourished looking survivors with no hope whatsoever. I remember the scene of the kids sitting in front of the burned out TV set with a fire burning inside of itt. That was depressing, thats what the future in Cameron's Terminator films look like. There weren't any pretty babes with good hair. And where the hell are all the skulls, and bones being crushed under the treads and feet of the machines as they hunt for the humans? I think the future war flashback scenes (yeah I know, confusing)of Derek Reese in the Sarah Connor Chronicles looks more along the lines of what James Cameron introduced to us in his two films.
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.....the First terminator films
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In T1,the war had been going on a lot longer,hence conditions were obviously a lot worse...
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is way too good looking, with good hair to boot. And the people dont seem really, truly fearful for the future of the human race. They seem determined, and pissed off, but that has nothing to do with what we were told. Reese make sit clear that almost all surviving humans were rounded up and eliminated to the point that the human race was on the brink of extinction. And thats when Conner started teaching them to fight back...
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depressing, way more grounded in what the reality of a post nuclear world would be like...
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But considering how disappointing Wolverine and Star Trek were, I'm holding out hope for this...and Dram Me to Hell, which looks awesome. Hopefully those and Whatever Works, Land of the Lost, Inglorious Bastards, Taking Woodstock, and District 9 will salvage the rest of the summer.
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want, if it will help you enjoy the movie. And i really mean that sincerely and without malice buddy. But for me personally its like the prequal trilogy, just lots of bullshit retconning...
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new vision..
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Yes, I watched the clips and was not impressed, even divesting myself of bias. I agree with you - this is not even remotely consistent with T1 and T2's visons of the future. Hell, the T2 3D theme park ride was a more accurate picture of the future war than this. This looks to me like some sort of sub-Mad Max style bog standad dystopia - in fact, the second clip reminded me of I Am Legend (and for me, that's not a good thing).I keep saying this looks like TV sci-fi because it does - there's no atmospheric lighting (T1 and 2 were dripping with distinctive and stylish cool blue lighting), every body is clean and pretty with nice white teeth even in a nuclear-ravaged future, and the sets look like cheap rubbish slapped together (unlike Cameron's sets which are based on real study of engineering and tech). T1 and 2's visons of the future looked lie a work of art - nightmarish, grotesque and visonary, a tech noir Dante's inferno - this just looks like a dozen other movies that came before it. It will be interesting to see how Cameron depicts the dystopic scrap yard in Battle Angel (or the ravaged Earth in the opening of Avatar) - I guarantee it will make this look utterly silly.
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May 09, 2009 10:50:51 AM CDT
LMAO you noobs really dont know what Terminator was about do you
by happy boy
We KNOW the ending of Terminator. John Conner will destroy Skynet and the human spirit will persevere. It's about human folly creating the means of their own destruction but the movie is Humanist at heart.. despite overwhelming odds and our own dark nature humanity overcomes. That's the theme of the first movie.. Kyle destroys the Terminator at great cost to himself. If anything it's about the cycle of human frailty... we create the means of our own destruction we overcome, repeat cycle. Conner is a Christ figure complete with immaculate (paradoxical) conception. The "bleak depressing" post-apocalyptic future isn't the end numnuts it's an intermediate purgatory. The true hell is Cameron's message that we're doomed to repeat the cycle indefinitely. GET A CLUE. Those endings dont know the first thing about what Terminator is about
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THE ENDING OF MARCUS BECOMING CONNOR WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT, BUT YOU PUSSIES CHICKENED OUT and put the scare in the execs suite ! ALL THE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT THE ENDING SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT AND GIVEN ALIVE TO AN ARMY OF T-800 TO BE TERMINATED MORONS, THE CONNOR TERMINATOR IDEA WAS THE BEST AND YOU BLEW IT
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May 09, 2009 11:29:24 AM CDT
Really, why not just show us this film entirety in 60 seconds.
by wonderboy2402
Because watching these clips, I am pretty sure I can piece together 95% of the plot from watching these clips and seeing pictures...
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Why all the hate? This movie will double Star Trek's opening weekend! Take that to the bank.
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I agree. This movie looks like shite.
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all the clips look great. I see some decent story telling in there along with action. So far all we're seen is action, it's nice to see story as well. You put everything together that we've now seen and it looks like we've got a hell of an incredible sci-fi movie that blends awesome f/x and story telling. I don't see anything stupid, lame, gay or dumb about the clips. I think it boils down to some people not being happy so they have to crap all over everything to make themselves feel good. For these people the glass is always half empty. Not to be a psychologist, but from what I understand, people who automatically think the worst of something, or their first reaction to anything is to whine and complain have serious issues that have nothing to do with what their whining/complaing/bitching about. And as always, the anonymous nature of the internet seems to bring out the worst in some people. And I'm sure I'll be called all sorts of names for this (as I have in the past) but they fail to realize, I am not the issue.
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I don't agree; I think a certain boy wizard is going to dominate the Summer BO, although I could be wrong. My local Barnes and Noble had a Harry Potter reading recently---the place and the parking lot were absolutely jammed with kids and their parents. I think Warner Bros. were smart to push it back for a Summer release from the Fall.
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You're an idiot. 'people who complain first have serious issues'? Give me a break. People who see the clips and think they look REALLY LAME bitch about it.
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Not saying it looks bad or will be bad...Just not very stoked on seeing it from these clips...the idea of Marcus coming from is pretty lame...so, the strategy, when McG runs out of ideas is to use technology from and alternate time sequence? That's retarded. He might as well bring in Aliens from outer space then - it just as arbitrary.
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The internet as become some sort of seedy and dirty toilet where anonymous people vomit their bile. Anyone who think the clips look bad is a moron and a retard that should get shot on the spot, unfit to claim themselves as fans, or geeks. If geekism as come to this, then it's time to open camps to re-educate these people. Including anyone who like Wolverine.
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Has it been announced yet?
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"It’s amazing! Jim said, “The hype is gonna kill it.” Jim is not nervous. He doesn’t get nervous. It’s not the be all and end all. Hopefully, what this does is open up a world of the possibilities of what motion capture can do and the possibilities of what this 3-D technology can achieve. Hopefully, it starts that kind of revolution, and I think it will." IESB.com
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..they just don't have the balls to do it
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Anytime a film releases a bunch of minute long clips, it just seems to reek of damage control. I'm really hoping that this turns out to be a good film. But the quality of certain cast members aside, I've seen nothing yet that looks like this will elevate the franchise back to its pre-T3 glory.Does anyone else think the whole Marcus sub-plot feels contrived and unnecessary?And I agree with those who have commented on Cameron's post-Judgement Day vision. That shit was hardcore and depressing. I see none of that tone here.
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Honestly, whats left to show? Made the mistake of watching the long trailer over at apple trailers which actually would have sold me on the film if it wasn't for the fact that I've now seen the whole thing for free. Marketing people are fucking strange.
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Instead of shooting the rope that was holding him, nit pick I know, but still. And that Terminator feels more like a Michael Myers than a terminator.
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The first movie is a psycho killer movie, like Halloween, but with a sci fi slant, don't forget it !
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allykatD you said you'd be called names and you were right. You're also right about 'the hater' personality type.
A pessimist thinks good things will never happen to them but a hater is different. They don't internalise their hate they project it.
I hate Bale's voice.
I hate Sam Worthington's voice.
I hate that woman for being too pretty.
I hate Michael Ironside.
I hate the bleached film stock.
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"this is not even remotely consistent with T1 and T2's visons of the future." but of course ! T2 future is Sarah vision, it's not real, T1 future is part flashback, part sarah vision, but it's also not THE future, just one possibility of it.Kyle says so to Sarah when he explain, weren't you paying attention ?
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May 09, 2009 1:26:55 PM CDT
This is interesting.... So many people in here!
by itsme_butwhogivesafuck
The very fact that there are so many people posting on this topic says to me that the Terminator franchise REALLY matters to people.
I do think that most of you, even the ones hating this right now, will go and see it regardless.
I know I will and I agree the small clips above don't look that good BUT surely it's not enough to say you won't go see it? I mean you take any random clips from any movie and they won’t seem good because you need to experience it as a whole.
OK back to the many people that have posted on here especially the ones dissing it because they think this is the future war.
Remember this is the first film of a planned 3.
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James Cameron is a fucking hack. I hate all of you, fuck you all.
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These clips. I mean I don't see any indication from any website that has posted the clips that they were released by the studio.
Or have I missed something?
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This is the way it should have gone. As mentioned in the endless posts above. He gets mortally wounded and the only thing he can do is become the one thing he's been running from his whole life. This story line would have been so easy:
T4: John Connor himself / deals with the fact history has changed / becomes mortally wounded / they make him into the new cyborg terminator
T5: John Connor dealing with the fact that he's half machine half human - Ending he comes to terms about who/what he is and is now a leader of the resistance
T6: The is the beauty about it - keep the story line similar to T2. Reese has grown up with Connor and now has a strong attachment to him. Ending John needs to send Reese back in time and John is the the last piece of the puzzle and must destroy himself in order to save humanity (jesus figure) very similar to ending of T2.
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Does groaning make it more human? "Excuse me sir are you a human being?" "MMMMmmmmmmeh." "Obviously you are." Blah. Lame little things like that are sometimes hard to ignore.
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Your opinions amount to nothing but opportunistic dreck.
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T5 should have gotten Hamilton to play a bad terminator herself...add in additional emotional struggle for John...wow was that hard to come up with...
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I was so pumped about this movie ... now Im just sitting down at a local coffee shop bummed.
I totally love the idea making Connor a cybor at the end -- not that he has to die to become it, but becomes so wounded that they only way for him to live is to become the thing he hates most.
Then dealing with that internal conflict for part 5 ... overcoming that and becoming the leader of the resistance. The inside circle knows the truth -- the rest not so much.
T5 - John goes back in time to fight along side himself, actually prep himself better for the future. At the end Cybor John dies at the hand of John Connor (talk about a head fuck) and now Connor rises sooner as leader.
T6 -- John meets kyle reese and mentors him. faces war but is better prepared in ways. End series with Kyle being sent back in time.
This opens up for many paradox situations but this is random thoughts I thought of just now. Fuck you McG.
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Its a god awful idea because it is so horribly obvious. The sort of shit dreamt up by teenagers who have just seen their first episode of Tales of the Unexpected. Soooo fucking shit. "Wow! He hates robots but he IS a robot! Ho Ho Ho!" Please stop. Jesus Christ save us from these hacks. Please little magic baby Jesus in you crib strike them down so that they may never lift a pen, use a keyboard or have the ability to orate their ideas.
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that's what these clips make me think of. Cameron's post apocalypse had humans living like rats, hunted every day barely able to come out, with a realistic nuclear winter having abolished most sunlight and vegetation. This really does look like an expensive remake of Albert Pyun's Cyborg.
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Why is that lame? And you think the ending they actually filmed or the ideas above are better?
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remember what we did to Watchmen's grosses?
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He'd go shoot in Chernobyl for real, giving the cast radation poisoning to enhance their performance, and there would be dwarf terminators and cyborg dishwashing machines and bidets, and John Connor would dream of building a giant robot bridge that never stops walking the earth, making it connect to nothingness and the futility of mankind's despair
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Personally i would have preferred a character driven story with emotional struggle (ala T2) rather than tons of explosions and expensive CGI work.
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Reelheed, you come up with something better and I'll shut my mouth ... we're waiting on your "mature" idea. I personally think it fits perfectly well and allows you actually grow the character in an interesting way. If done right.
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Nuff said. That alone would have been a better surprise ending.
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enjoy your PG-13 pussy ass Terminator. Fucking pussy. You could have made it brutal as shit and Warners would have no choice but to release it. But you're a pussy.
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As much as graft some of Skynet's tech to his body, making him half and half. You'd give that some thematic heft but yeah it's kinda been done before so the main reason to do it is in terms of how other people see John Connor and even more so, the potential for action set pieces in which John Connor can do what Arnie did in T2. Or what Christian Bale can do in real life. In fact the real trick would be to make a half machine John Connor embrace this part of himself feeling like now he has the mental human mastery of his new body to be even more dedicated to his task. But most importantly you'd play with the relationship of him with Kyle Reese. imagine meeting your dad as a man younger than you, and that the future presupposes you sending him back in time to create you, which you need to happen, but it also consigns his death. That'd be the most important dynamic to play. Instead we have Brah Dude ex con terminator hanging with hot chick who can look after herself via martial arts when attacked by cliched central casting rapists.
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Adorable little postapocyalyptical moppet. I wonder if it does gymnastics to send a terminator into an industrial shredder! I hope so!
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McG's idea for Terminator 5 sucks ass. Sucks ASS. Sucks SUGAR RAY ASS. Sucks SMASHMOUTH ASS. I mean seriously, if you wanna remake the last twenty minutes of Michael Bays' Transformers go fucking right ahead WB and watch even more of us abandon this in droves.
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You said it more eloquently than i did. I couldn't agree with you more.
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You said it more eloquently than i did. I couldn't agree with you more.
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that hack has come out and spoiled his future plans is because he's trying to grasp onto anything ... he fucked up and he thinks by having fans rail behind him WB wont be pissed. Fact is, when a director spoils the future plans well, he's pretty desperate. GOD DAMN IT. THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A BRILLIANT MOVIE. YOU HAD SO MUCH TIME! Maybe McG wishes time travel could exist so he could go back and redo this piece of trash of a movie.
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I always loved the idea of John of meeting Kyle and teaching him ala T2. I came up with that shit back in college. Fucking morons.
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Connor cuts skynets internet access. THE END.
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would've been skynet discovering encyclopdediadramatica.com and deciding that we must be destroyed.
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...and this movie looks like shit. Feels like an expensive sci-fi channel movie. I don't know how else to say it, it just looks gay.
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You only got yourselves and AICN to blame. You are getting these movies because you couldn't stand them being bold. You all suck, while complaining that everything is safe, while complaining when anyone try something bold. You are all nut jobs.
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.....are fucking assholes! The movie does not look that bad! And Christian Bale always overacts! This is fucking Terminator 4! What did you jackasses really expect? It's just meant to be a sci-fi actioner! There are bigger problems in this world that are far more earth-shattering! For those of you who claimed your childhood has been raped, FUCK YOU! THE MAJORITY of children in this world are not afforded the opportunities to even see movies. Assholes like you all of you and your enabler Harry should be considered what is wrong with this country. You concentrate your efforts on non-sensical bullshit and turn yourselves into Bill Maher fodder! Why don't all of you fat, lazy, selfish pigs go read a book and volunteer? Fuck you all!
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Anybody else think those T800s don't look very scary, weirdly they look like guys in suits.
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I am head of a non profit organization that helps underprivileged children and I volunteer at a soup kitchen. Doesnt change my passion for films. How do you fuck up 100+ million dollar project. Christ.
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that this stuff was spooned out in some odd attempt to blunt ongoing buzz for Trek - which makes no sense because at a site like this odds are good there is little chance people going to one won't want to see the other (outside of the dozen or so cranks that are predisposed to turn every TB into their pulpit.
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Let us all see shitty movies for the good of the children! Actualy, shouldn't you be condoning people to skip this movie and instead give all the "bank" we would be spending on this flick to charities...? I also love how you feel bad for children who aren't lucky enough to see this movie; never-mind the poverty, disease, and malnutrition these people go through daily. I guarantee I give more to charities in a year than you would give in a lifetime, an I don't regard myself as some self-righteous prick, who cries, and goes on a bitter holier-than-thou tyrade when people express there opinions on a film...but see, all of this is just my opinion. My expectations for this film have considerably dropped. I know that McG NEEDS this film way more than this film needs him. He hasen't exactly been a busy boy since Charlie's Angels 2 tanked at the BO. The trailers looked quite good, but this supplemental online material is really diluting my expectations for this film.
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i saw that movie already when it was called The Matrix. Yeah i know Terminator had that look in flashbacks, but The Matrix ripped off the whole thing and i dont care to see it again. I dont give a flying fuck if the humans are a little better equipped and organized.
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his silence is truth in itself. he is the only director with the balls to put a realistic girl soldier (vazquez) in a movie, not these fuckin froofies.
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anymore! I have been reading this site and the talkbacks for years and I cannot stand the talkbacks anymore with all the hogwash that I read. I cannot even find the words to express to you how disgusted I am by some of the things I read. All I want is to find a tb forum with nothing but educated speculaton without the foolery. These talkbackers and their over the top disdain for a movie which has not even come out yet not only ruin the AICN experience for me but also are the reason why we will never see the version that the filmmakers wanted to make, i.e. the dark or semi-dark endings. I think the suits in the Biz are all over this site for the purposes of using AICN as a guage for their marketing decisions. As such, they forced the change in the ending simply because the "fanbase" was overly pessimistic in its reaction to the news of a "metal" Connor. Eventually, I think the Suits are going to figure out that the tb'ers are not really who they should be.trying to please and will stop leaking "rumors." I cannot wait till this happens so I can see the vision of the movie that the filmmakers wanted and not the vision of the Biz Suits who think it's what the "fans" want according to reactions in such sites as AICN. Also, I hope that one of theAICN editors like Quint or Merrick can look up my email in the AICN database and invite me to their favorite forum so I can discuss speculation of ideas and reviews of films in a more civilized manner.
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...and frankly even if things turn out the way the negatives predict and sometimes seem to hope for (it does happen) the entire notion of anticipating and enjoying going to movies of any quality and discussing them in general (pro or con) is diminished - which is pretty remarkable at a site where self styled movie lovers congregate. Sticking to headlines works a little in doses but yeah you have to be willing to be covered in it if you want to wade into most any TB.
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you do raise a good point. i'm all for constructive criticism of movies, hell, indy IV made me weep with sadness at the raping of a fine franchise but the talkbacks these days are a bad parody of comic book guy. looking forwards to the popcorn actioner that is terminator salvation, but i'm most looking forwards to transformers ROTF. That said, Wolverine was fucking awful and Star Trek was the tits. The absolute tits. Well done JJ.
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I just saved 10 dollars. Granted the heavy primitive terminator in the second clip was pretty cool, but I didn't go further than the 5th clip. Yep, this looks SHITTY. In every way.
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T1 and T2 are great, but they ain't Shawshank or Goodfellas. JUST watched some of T1 last night...y'all do remember Paul Winfield and his cop partner hamming it up with "yo mama" jokes, don't you?Or maybe Sarah's trampy roommate with the headphones and her jerk-off boyfriend?This film looks epic, and the novel is great.These scenes are all edited weird, like the first one with Connor and Ironside, they skipped a bunch of dialogue and stuff about the t800, how it's 10 years early, how Ironside knows about Sarah Connor in the mental institute, etc...I've never understood the whole 10 clip thing anyway, as they usually end up being just minor moments that have little to do with the film.Based on this footage, I think it'll be like the other reviewers said: Good, lots of fun, good action/story, a few lame parts, but better than t3.I'm there, and so are most of you.
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i would have all of you mass executed in ditches just just on a ho hum whim for the fuck of it. oh btw whats this tb about? some terminator movie?
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I bet you this is fuckin awesome. I loved T1 and T2 and thought T3 was a steaming pile of shite, but this looks frickin ace. I love the movement of the terminator that gets smashed by the mute kid. I can't wait for this. I think McG comes across as a pretentious twat, but i'm willing to bet i'll be eating my hat when i get to see this.
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Notice how anyone calling "hater" has nothing but that word and their own ad hominem bullshit arguments like "This looks fun" or "Come on it's a movie about robots who cares??" Seriously guys get a fucking decent DEFENSE OF THE MATERIAL before you cry hater. Deep down you know how shallow that argument is, so man up and come up with something that sticks.
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T3 is a 'blah' sort of action movie, but I think that the building-crumbling, construction crane chase was worth the price of admission. Say what you want about Jonathan Mostow and his choice in picking scripts, but he stages and shoots a more thrilling action sequence than most other directors working today.
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anyone who dislikes this McG directed Terminator is a comic book guy parodya nd then say "It's just a summer popcorn actioner" those two things do no compute. Either defend the material based on merit or accept that you are the one with the silly illogical arguments. Films mean more to people than stupid cartoon entertainment, particularly a franchise that has two bona fide classics in it. People have been waiting their whole lives to see it and they have every right to expect quality. In fact if more people thought that way maybe we would get it once in a while. Your dithering shows nothing more than a cheap justification of your own low brow tastes and even you know without some substance to back it up it means nothing.
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T3 is a bad film but that certainly started at the script level. Mustow can frame an action sequence. Im not sure how well he does atmosphere though.
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but you're coming across as an obsessive nerd. Some of my favourite movies are Leon, Silent Running, The Quiet Earth, Akira, Zatoichi, Transformers, The Day the Earth Stood Still (Robert Wise version), The Thing, Terminator 2, The Iron Giant, and more I won't bother listing. My tastes in movies are wild and varied. I can enjoy the brainless action and sheer spectacle of Transformers, I can enjoy the understated brilliance of the Iron Giant, the quiet horror of being the last man alive in The Quiet Earth, the role reversals of a killer and the girl who loves him in Leon, the Akira universe and how it has influenced modern sci-fi, the Thing being the best example of horror in the last 30 years and the absolute pinnacle of physical effects work. You may call anyone who doesn't rally against a movie not made to their exact specifications 'low brow', and interpret my disinterest in arguing with you as 'dithering', but this post aside, i have better things to do with my time than debate with a faceless wannabe elitist on the internet. Sure, T4 looks like it could have been better with Cameron in the chair and an 18 certificate, but compared to T3 it looks like the fucking tits. A potentially epic sci-fi movie has been reduced to merely a decent actioner, will i lose sleep over it? No. Did you really expect it to get anywhere near the hell on earth described by Reese in T1? No. Would I want to see that hell on fil? Of course I would, I love the Terminator films, but I have a finite amount of time on this planet and while you may choose to waste it screaming into the void in the talkbacks, I have a life to lead. Good day to you sir, and long live the Queen.
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You guys are like a little pack of high school girlies who are conforming to your little bitch friends. Bitch.
I think this looks pretty sweet, what more do you want in a terminator flick? Christian Bale's wiener humping the screen in 3D? Probably... little girlie bitches. -
I pretty much agree with you. I love arguing about movies, but at the end of the day, it's all just entertainment. I'm typing this on a netbook, outdoors in NY and it's awesome outside. Everyone get up, walk to the door and take a walk outside and wave to your neighbors. (Besides, if what you're looking for is GREAT storytelling, you'd be better served by picking up a good book. I just finished 'The Story of Edgar Sawtelle' by David Wroblewski...really good novel with loads of gee-whiz Americana, sort of an adult E.B. White novel.)
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4 Intertube points to you sir.Glad I'm not the only one who's seen and enjoyed Bridge on the River Kwai, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The Ten Commandments, The Godfather, etc...but can still appreciate Transformers for big fun 'splosion candy without whining about the "source material"....frickin' kids TOYS! LOL!Just because I watch indie flicks like the Lookout doesn't mean that if I watch a Terminator 4 that's pg-13 and has a few weak spots and watching said film I ENJOY it, that I've become some mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging cretin.This will be fun, exciting, and better than T3, from all accounts. I'm thinking it'll be a notch higher though, and be right there with T1/T2.And yup, the HATERS are out in force. If you wanna gripe about quality, wait until December for the next Coen bros./Fincher film and you can have all the films you want.I'm gonna have fun at the movies this summer.
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Are always the ones who post in the talkbacks about how they have better things to do then post in the talkbacks.
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Anyone that can muster up the levels of hate that are routinely tossed around here over movies is not interested in anything other than furthering their own brand of intellect. Some movies piss me off too but coming here and making dozens of posts about it is like standing on a street corner raving like a bag man.
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it just doesn't have the staying power. Studios try to force certain franchises to keep going (Wolverine anyone?), and they get crappier n crappier. (Star wars anyone?) You know its true. Join the haters. Resistance is futile John Connor.
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McG has terrible storytelling sensibilities.
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Do people realize what jackasses they come across as when they complain about complainers?
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You know fuck you all, I'm no hater. I loved Moon, I can't wait to see Up, Harry Potter 82 or whichever, even Transformers 2 for brain fondue. You should all check out the Hurt Locker when it comes out. And I thought last year that Batman, Wall-E made for one of the most quality driven summers in many years. I'll also probably have an aneurysm during the opening credits of Avatar I've been waiting so hopefully long for that. I don't care for Trek but I like Abrams' work for the most part, I even liked MI3 despite hating Tom Cruise. Hell last year I even LOVED speed racer.
But the fact of the matter remains that Terminator and Aliens franchises are two of the most near and dear to me, and there is no fucking way I would settle for anything less than a milestone in action scifi filmmaking. Which this is so obviously not from what I've seen here. It's just like Watchmen and Wolverine - poor tonal fit for the director to the material. McG can pose all he fuckin wants, the fact of the matter is several years ago he was someone else entirely. I also don't want the third rate Wisemans and Paul WS Anderson's making me embarassed to love genre films with their continual hackery. If you ask me, a huge budget, future war, Christian Bale starring Terminator film with Stan Winston's work should be a fucking GOLDMINE for my summer and induce an eighty foot long boner that looks like a sandworm from Arrakis. These clips remind me of 80s new wave videos with worse acting. There is no doubt in my mind that somewhere out there is someone more inclined and better attuned to this project than McG. That isn't to say he's talentless, he's really good at what he's done in the past, which is bright, poppy filmmaking. But the thing that remains about T2 is that despite it all it was grounded in this very tangible aesthetic reality where astounding shit would happen. Even on some level emotionally. And every non action scene was about something, about an idea or theme. You're too fucking right I'm not going to stop bitching about it.
A few years ago we thought the Batman films were dead. Right now it feels like Wolverine is dead. If someone were to ressurect Jackman's Wolverine with a movie that matches the characters attitude and history and why we love him, it'd be back. Likewise, if they make another Terminator sequel, I hope the person at the helm not only makes you think "exactly", when their actors have bad days they actually do something about it. -
May 09, 2009 6:11:04 PM CDT
Anybody who says "Search your feelings, you know it to be true..
by kjmad25
Should be punched square in their nerd face.
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bitch about movie discussion? I don't get it.
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Makes me want to sing: Dah Dee Dah Duh...
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Have you seen The Hurt Locker? The trailer got me interested.
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the word haters? God damn. It was bad enough when black people were runnin' it into the ground, now every other bad movie supportin' dickhead's post has got to use the word hater. Adolf Hitler is a hater, someone that dislikes a movie is not a fuckin' hater. If you're gonna use the word, USE the word. Don't misuse it.
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The Terminator franchise would have been better if they stuck with the original storyline. Meaning, T2 starts us right at Judgement Day. The first act is Sarah and young John Conner preparing for the unstoppable nuclear attack. We go back and forth from the Conners hiding, freaking out and the chaos happening as Skynet is taking over all the computers. It could start off with messing with the traffic lights, causing fatal accidents of all kinds. You get the picture. The second half of the movie would be nuclear devestation and the plight of the survivors. Soon, Terminators start killing survivors, humans living underground like rats, pain, despair etc... It ends with John Conner grown up, a trained bad ass telling everyone who will listen to stand up and fight these fucking machines! (Think Scott's Patton speech) FADE OUT: Credits. A perfect setup for T3, which writes itself. Future war. You end that one with JC blowing up Skynet, winning the war, but first having to send his dad Reese back in time, because Skynet was able to send a Terminator back in time to kill his mom. The end. Everything is tyed up. With that scenario, you guarantee "T3" would be a blockbuster. Why does Hollywood have to fuck it all up everytime? How about sticking to the original storyline and building on it once in a while? What do you guys think?
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I'm not a hater, i'm just an advocate of quality cinema that won't make me roll my fucking eyes all the way back to my skull. You have a franchise that has the ability to turn itself around and an asshole calling himself a fan shows up and not only doesn't give a shit about character development, but decides to waterdown the movie to a teenie bopper level with pg-13. I don't wanna get into a flame war in regard to rating. And i'm not saying a movie cannot be made pg-13 and be fucking awesome...the dark knight was one of my top 3 favorite movies and i fucking saw it 3 times in the theaters. BUT difference is 1. character development and storyline was awesome for the dark knight and 2. when you have a movie about a total fucking balls-to-wall killing machine who's only motive is to fucking kill you, how can you make it so watered down both in context and visuals. The movie is about our worst nightmares-so fucking make it real. Make it gritty. Make me blow my load in my seat. T2 did that.
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is because we've already been disappointed with T3. Although i'm sure it's better than that crud, i can't imagine it better than T2...at least from what i'm reading/hearing.
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Your point is exactly why even T2 got off track. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, but it "nuked the fridge" with the "Big Brother" Terminator bit. Essentially it was the same movie as T1. Kyle Reese=New T-800 (Protector) Sarah Conner=John Conner (Target) T-1000=Original T-800 (Assassin). Better FX, same story, except they pussy-ized the original T-800. They gave him a "heart". Just stupid. A terminator should kill. Just as described by Reese's character in the first movie.
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And too fucking bad you'll never learn. Too fucking bad. Because you had a chance to make an EPIC film and you flushed that down the toilet. I'm not saying your movie won't be "fun". But it won't be scary, epic and on the edge of your seat thrilling. This is going to be a "pop-corn" flick when it should of been more than that and I think the people who hold this franchise near and dear really are pissed because the material was there, you just needed to say I'm going to take this to the edge and 5 more steps -- instead we get Happy Meals and Kid toys for a TERMINATOR film. Thanks I think I'll go give myself the sleeper now to this thought.
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And too fucking bad you'll never learn. Too fucking bad. Because you had a chance to make an EPIC film and you flushed that down the toilet. I'm not saying your movie won't be "fun". But it won't be scary, epic and on the edge of your seat thrilling. This is going to be a "pop-corn" flick when it should of been more than that and I think the people who hold this franchise near and dear really are pissed because the material was there, you just needed to say I'm going to take this to the edge and 5 more steps -- instead we get Happy Meals and Kid toys for a TERMINATOR film. Thanks I think I'll go give myself the sleeper now to this thought.
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It managed to really hurt TDK, and Batman Begins. Bale looked the part (of Batman, that is), but was way to over the top. These clips look like shit, btw.
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Why don't we just finish this off for T5 rather than do another shit ass job for T6. We'll get Nolan to write up a reboot worthy to be titled Terminator. Rather than send Connor back to 2011, send him and the Terminators back to 1911 and kill his fucking great grandmother. That concept is better than the fuck ass idea you blurted out during one of your turret seizures. Thank you for Skull fucking the fans.
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T2 had a slight balance of good and bad...the t1000 was a bloodthirsty killer and we saw some scenes like that. Not saying that it couldn't have been more extreme but compared to whats come after i'd take t2 anyday in regard to character development, storyline and graphics. T1 was great but they could have done some rewrites on the dialogue.
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Paviod. I understand that. The T-1000 mercilessly killing anything that got in it's way was great. I just had trouble swallowing the pussification of the T-800. Example: "I know now why you cry" (as said by the T-800) Give me a break! So, the killing machine wants to cry now? Please! Lame, just lame...It appears they are doing the same thing with the Marcus character here too. In an effort to make the Terminators more "human", Skynet accidentally created a human. Feelings, remorse, caring etc...That's why he gives JC his heart. Awwww, that's sooooooo sweet. I don't know about you, but I don't go to a "Terminator" movie to feel the love. Just saying...
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a balls/wall 'team on a mission' movie, with a squad travelling to and infiltrating the time machine complex, with Reese getting sent back at the end. You could still have had all the silly mototerminators and all the other toys, wouldn't have been too hard, would it?
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It has Bats in it. It has an Ahnold Cameo. I'm there.
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of terminators jumping in the time machine to go back to all the years in which the movies were zet, or were they all coming from altered future timelines?
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I could live with that. "Terminator: Saving Private Conner"... ;)
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I went all Clouseau there for a second
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Private Ryan minus the sentiment, add a dash of Aliens (claustrophobic horror, 50 rounds each and a good bit of Vasquez) and done! Bob's your uncle.
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Good to know they still have hot chicks and lipstick in the future. No dirty faces for these babes!
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We just link to it
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For fuck's sake!
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Terminator isnt made to be a bullshit franchise. Even T2 was stretching it. There should be one or two future war sequels and thats it, but no, they are gonna milk this for all its worth.
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Why even include such a plot in T4? It's just dumb. The future war should be humans vs machines. The ending of Conner becoming a terminator makes zero sense at all. It's not like its an easy secret to keep. Recall from T1 that in the future they have terminator sniffing dogs. I'd also imagine that the terminators weigh a bit more than a normal human. A lot more.
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just sending more terminators into the past? i know audiences are generally stupid, but they arent that stupid. T3's lackluster showing should have proven that. enough with the time travel shit.
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The idea of Marcus unknowingly is a machine is great. Imagine, if you're programmed to believe your human then it's hardcoded in you. The plot of this movie has bright spots, and I am giving it the benefit of the doubt that it will be a good movie. I gush over these Terminator movies because I love explaining to people who watch them about the nuances, like the "Ahnuld-bot" from T3 who is the hero is actually the one who successfully assisinates John in the future. One gripe I have over how the studios have handled this movie and others is that they have let the cat out of the bag in that they have told one of the big twists in that Marcus is a machine. To many people many people that alone will be a huge plot twist. Remember how Jim Cameron handled T2? No one knew Arnold wasn't a baddie, but that was in the pre internet boom era. Still, Jim Cameron is still perfecting his craft the way he deems fit with Avatar. No one knows hardly anything about that.
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May 09, 2009 10:26:20 PM CDT
Come With Me If You Want To Watch A B Movie (***spoiler alert***
by corplhicks
***** spoiler alert ********
watched the 10 clips and all other videos in existence online I could find.
I'm not impressed.
If the major plot is that they need to stop the T-800 get human appearance because that would make them "harder to spot", I"m going to swallow
a bottle of ipecac !
Michael Ironside looks great but he is a strong B level actor in my opinion. He always shines but in a B level kinda way and his supporting roles are well acted and solid but he often belongs in Starship Troopers and in Command Conquer games. I think he is out of place here.
And how exactly can they hide a big military installation complete with hangers out in the open !!!!
If skynet is everywhere, they would not be all over that base ??!!!
Also, that T800 endoskel that "runs"??? over to John and bitch slaps him,.....moves faster than any endoskeleton I've seen, which maybe good and yet anti-canonical. For some reason, shedding the human skin has made them slower in the movies.
Overall, I want nothing less than a great movie, one that revives a dying franchise and gets us excited again about the Terminator franchise.
I hope the finished product is better than these clips suggest.
By the way, is anyone else getting sick and tired of that uber-tough raspy exhaling voice that Christian Bale uses. he did not have it in American Psycho, and I thought it was all effects in The Dark Knight, but seeing it here-- i'm gettin sick of it.
Oh and that Kyle looks too young and when he squeaks "come with me if you want to live", I"m thinking, OMG he squeaks more than a rusty door and for some reason I think Timmy Turner acts better.
PLEASE G-d !! Make this movie a good one !
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I remember that particular ending got leaked a while back, but I think it's actually kind of cool. I mean, we've been told for three films now that John Connor was the one who led the (successful?) resistance against the machines. I think it's really interesting to turn that on it's head.
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say it fast !!
anyway, the doctor in the clips and trailer has great eyes-- when she sees Marcus first time, great look. and the Marcus actor *** spoiler ***
maybe better actor than Bale.
I wonder if we will see the main skynet base.
Time to dig out my old Terminator glossy graphic novel Terminator: The Burning Earth
It's about the end of the war but humans busting into skynet, which is in the old norad base in Cheyenne Mountain.
http://www.amazon.com/TERMINATOR-BURNING-EARTH-comics-complete/dp/B0022V6LOY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241926190&sr=1-3
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I hope the "ending" is good, or at least I hope the cliffhanger they have gone with is a good cliffhanger.
If they only made Terminator:The Burning Earth into a movie instead of trying to come up with "twists" in an otherwise linear story, it would have been amazing!!!
Other than the Planet of the Apes - like paradox it's a pretty straight forward story.
Also, wish they incorporated the TV series into the movie.
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Bayformers, Wolverine or GIJoe. This just doesnt strike me as a movie appealing solely to idiots and children. at least they seem to be trying. maybe by some miracle Bayformers 2 happens to be cool, but i just dont know how it could be judging from the first one. Still think Terminator 4 will at least be better than that.
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Why does this have to "not be the future my mother warned me about". why can't it be EXACTLY the future you were warned about? Why can't this be about humans coming together to fight the machine, with Connor overcoming gargantuan-size adversity both within himself, some of the humans around him and from Skynet to defeat them in two movies. Why do we need a twist? a human-terminator hybrid-- is it machine? is it human? why the "what year is it" Marcus line? I"m getting more and more worried this movie will suck more ass than a prisoner in Cell Block D.
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This movie looks bad. Looks to be the worst movie of the summer. Wolverine even had better acting.
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A workprint is leaked, every sees it's a terrible to average movie, but box office first weekend is huge. McG and company release this shite and lots of it, have some really crappy looking toys associated with this ( T- RIP - that is awful), and hope that like Wolverine there is no such thing as bad publicity, just publicity which the public will eat up.
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and the fucking of our eyeballs and ignore this shit.
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Iron Man had an artificial heart in last May's $300 million BO blowout.
In the Star Trek movie, the excuse for Kirk has to space-dive because Iron Man was flying in last May's $300 million BO blowout.
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May 10, 2009 12:04:29 AM CDT
Once I saw that kid Home Alone booby trap that terminator it was
by yungb
Looks like crap, I'm still watching it though.
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It's obvious all these clips are clips, not complete scenes -- they are re-edited so that we can get an overall view of the scene without the main details. Anyway, if McG had done the blu future from the first two movies, everyone would be on his back for being an unprofessional copyist hack and not adding something new to the imagery, which is what he did here.
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Saw comment about someone who works for a charity , I agree it's amazing how bad some of the output is from Hollywood given their budgets
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is that this will make enough money on opening weekend to warrant a sequel and the studio will think McG is right for the job. I was cautiosly optimistic about this movie until I saw the acting in the clips and heard his retard brainstorm for a sequel. He's like the guy that goes "Fuck the story, I think they should go back in time and fight in our present day because it will look cool."
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needs to move out of their parent's basement. i mean fucking seriously, a serious GI Joe is even more ludicrous than asking for a serious Transformers.
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Now I am LESS interested to see this. This is some pedestrian DTV shit. The marketing peeps should be fired. McG should go work at McD's.
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And I have a brain large enough to understand its made for 12 year olds.
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And Fuck Avatar too!
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And I trust it will be the best movie of the Summer. But one thing that stands out in these clips is how fucking horrible of an actor Sam Worthington is. His accent is fucking pathetic in the scene where he is chained up. The guy is weak.
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Because it's a franchise. We could but a retard in the directors chair and it'll still be a cash cow. Fact is McG didn't want to make a great movie. Those screenwriters need to stop -- just stop and hand the project over to someone who gives a shit about the characters. McG you lost a great opportunity to really deliver a movie that perhaps could of raised the bar -- instead you just did a pop corn flick. You will forever be an average director no matter who compliments you. I'd like you to really press for a good story character driven film on ur next take. In fact, get some hardcore fans on this board to give you some input... i hate to be negative like this -- arg.
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Which one of these FUCK YOU HATERZ IN YOUR MOM'S BASEMENT!!! douches do you guys think is McG?
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McG's depiction of the future is greatly lacking. Most nuclear missiles are aimed at military installations, etc...high priority targets. How the resistance got ahold of tons of freakin' A-10s, etc. is beyond me. Where are people with the stochastic effects of radiation? Is the resistance using potassium iodide? Where are the victims of thermal, beta, and gamma burns?
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McG fan? If so what in his filmography gets you excited? I m just really suprised that someone that like Coppola etc..has such high expectations for a movie made by the dude that made the charlie's angels movies...And please dont tell me its because of Bale, it doesnt matter how good he is (i.e even danial day lewis and that amazing performance could nt save gangs of New York), he cant make a movie good just with his presence. Is t the director and the script ultimatly the key Danny?
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high tech weaponary hapened to survive the planet wide nuclear strike with the EMP's....
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logistical support needed to keep fighter jets opperating....lol
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like so over the top fun. I agree about it being for kids, though Sommers is really terrible, like Bay's younger retarded brother...You really have to switch your brain off for his movies...
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performance here, obviously i have nt seen it. But he was good in the Australian movies ive seen. Its interesting however that all reviews have singled out his performance though. Im worried about that tough guy voice Bale uses...non geek and movie fans i know have laughed at the trailers becos of it. Not that that means anything, because while it seems at odds with the rest of the actors, imho you cant really judge an actors performance untill you see it in the context of the whole movie...
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def. can hear his Australian accent coming through.
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at end of a clip, you do hear Worthington's accent slip out "Um da bes' frend ya got, bloke"-- not quite that bad, but close. And yeah I know that he is not English, just giving an example
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Enjoyed this posting very much!
Thank you Merrick for the Terminator Salvation links, enjoyed watching each and everyone and...I don't care what the Terminator Salvation "Haters" are saying...I am still looking forward to seeing the Movie when it comes out at the end of this month.
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it's a war people. Can't wait to see it.
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So I can talk about how horrible they are!!! I mean really, what a load of horseshit. I hated each one more than the last. I am the coolest person ever.
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McG splooges his DNA all over a beloved franchise
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Hold what you got!
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that's not his batman voice you dumbass, anyone with ears would know that.
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LAST TIME I CHECKED, THE BEST TERMINATOR OF ALL TIMES IN THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY DIDN'T EXACTLY HAVE A PUHFECT AMERICAN ACCENT FOLKS
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It's funny T2 shat on T1, but I liked it big time because mostly of the action, editing, music etc which are tops. I hated T3 at first because it shat on T2, and the direction was crap. However I warmed up to it because even thought it continues on the road of mocking the Arnie model in the tradition of T2 where they cut his balls off, at least, with the ending, they got the series back on track. Now bring on McG.
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Cameron HIMSELF decided to change the old age Sarah ending to the ambiguous black highway, not the studio. There is nothing in T2 contradictory to the first - if you don't believe me, here is a Cameron quote on T2 from Empire magazine a few months ago - "What I wanted to say in T2 was that everything is meant to be a certain way, everything has already been written. You can call it karma or destiny, whatever." Who says Judgment Day has been averted? T3 destroyed the ambiguity by explicitly spoonfeeding it to us.
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agreed. it was also kind of shitty with that no kill rule and the cryfest ending.
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his voice is raspy-- try watching him in The Prestige for example, for comparison. Maybe not EXACTLY like Batman, but raspy and pseudo-tough nevertheless.
anyone with the cognitive ability above a flea can discern that. And I'd watch whose calling who a dumbass, Melissa !
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badass!
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'sall I got
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Of the past T2 is amazing yes yes and the first was incredible. But nothing less is expected from cameron. But to completly write this off because its pg13? and because of the way connor talks? you guys are wack go get the concept design book and just see how much work they have put into the evolution of the terminators.Honestly I think that Mcg may actually pull this off. You cant see effects shot wich means they focus on the plot more so than effects (obviously you guys need those) and honestly alot of these shots had tons of cg but you cant tell because they blend into the world. I dunno...atleast it will kick the shit out of T3 that was foul on all ends. The people behind this film are great the script is strong and I feel they will not drop these 10 clips off without having the confidence backing them to say ''just you wait'' remember this isnt fox this is WB they actually care a bit about thier plots.
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I'm hoping these cliche-ridden clips don't represent the whole movie. We have Michael Ironsides, king of B-movie action, in a TERMINATOR movie?! We have your cliche tough military chick karate kicking some would-be robber-rapists. Wow, haven't seen that before. And enough with the "Come with me if you want to live" line.
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May 11, 2009 11:17:17 AM CDT
If you negs were your current age when t2 came out....
by your_moms_a_cylon
You'd be saying....what? a terminator that's liquid metal? That's fucking stupid. And that kid playing John Connor is an annoying little whiner. Come the fuck on, kids. Try perceiving sequels without looking through your hazy, idealistic nostalgia peepers. And oh no! PG-13! It is a fact that the MPAA has loosened somewhat, especially for what is known to become a blockbuster flick. Not to mention the fact that instead of a robot murdering people left and right, we will have a shitload of humans destroying robots. Less bloody violence due to PLOT, folks. It's the nature of this story, so go back to bitching about Michael Bay and looking at online porn.
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I definitely will see this movie now. I was on the fence since I really hated T3, but after seeing these clips, I think there is hope. (Why? because these clips gave the images from the trailers more context and added to the whole dark atmosphere all Terminator fans can expect).
Just remember one of the greatest moments in all of film:
"Hey buddy, you gotta dead cat in there or what?"
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Some good clips/sequences there, but some not so good it seems. I hope the film works as a whole. I'll be going to see it for sure.
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Just watched those clips again. I think the great majority of them worked very well. Attention to lighting/detail/sets looks to be very high. The only one that I has some doubts about was the first. The last clip is very strong in my opinion.
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I love that moment. Arnie has like a handful of lines in that movie but every time he speaks it is fried golden apples.
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John Connor has to slowly replace parts of his body due to injury, making him more terminator-like over the course of the films ("...lest ye become one.")
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I was casually reading a T:S talkback and read someone say it ends with connor turning out to be a terminator... I really don't know how I would have reacted coming out of the theatre, but if that is true FUCK YOU... again... FUCK YOU for posting a twist ending with zero mention of a spoiler warning... that's FUCKED UP because I might have really liked that ending if it was done well, now i'm going into it hoping that's not the ending because I don't want to know how it ends. I could give a FLYING FUCK if you don't like the ending, its FUCKED UP to post it without a spoiler warning whichever one of you SONS OF BITCHES take it upon yourselves to post it. If this is not the ending, we're cool and disregard everything in this post.
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This movie will own your asses bitches!
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May 11, 2009 10:50:20 PM CDT
FUCKING POP UPS!! And this shit looks SCI-FI CHANNEL!
by professor_monster
Looks HORRIBLE!!!!!
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