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Spy 'Clounshoo' gives us the good, bad and ugly of McG's TERMINATOR: SALVATION!

Published at: May 8, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a spy report in from McG's Terminator: Salvation. I know the flick has been screening around recently, but I also know Warner Bros has been enforcing embargoes like crazy, even going so far as to restrict Twitter updates after the screenings. So, it's good to hear from someone like Clounshoo to give us an indication of what we're in for while the gag is on for regular reviewers. I think you'll find the below review to be very level-headed and honest. Looks like there's a fair amount of good things in the movie and some maybe not so good things, but if Clounshoo is right on then I think I'm going to enjoy this flick a lot more than I did TERMINATOR 3, which constantly made me embarrassed for those onscreen. Enjoy the review, but be warned of some spoilers!

Hey guys. I wrote in a month ago about Bruno and figured I’d contribute again with an early Terminator review. Once again, I’ll do a “the good, the bad, and the rest” format since it made it easy for me to get my thoughts down last time. If you want my overall thoughts, just skip to the end. The Good: Sam Worthington. He was really cool. He’s getting promoted for this, what, barely at all? He’s pretty much the lead here, but he’s not as big of a name as Bale so he doesn’t get nearly as much press. But he’s good. I liked watching his performance. He pulls off the Han Solo “tough guy with a heart” act really well. It was fun. The kid that played Kyle Reese. Not nearly as irritating as Eddie Furlong, if at all. He did a good job with this. Some of the action scenes. There are some HUGE explosions that Michael Bay would be proud of. Some good scare and thrill moments with the terminators. MINOR SPOILER --- Arnold. Fit perfectly, and not gratuitous at all. Really well done, and brought a smile to my face. --- END SPOILER FX were right on for the most part. They rarely looked cheesy or fake, and they were believable and extraordinary at the same time. The Terminators themselves. Badass. Especially the big T-600 models. Bryce Dallas Howard. She was in this very little, but I liked watching her. She had a very pleasant demeanor and a glow to her that somehow fit even in the chaos. She should have had more screen time. The Bad: This is definitely a PG-13 movie. More accurately, though, this was not a movie made for adults. Terminators 1 and 2 were “adult” movies. This had plenty of scenes in it that could have been found in Fast and Furious or a movie of that ilk. Here’s an example. MINOR SPOILER --- Beautiful (but deadly) woman is all alone by a campfire in the middle of the desert after a full day’s journey. Beautiful woman is still gorgeous. Five hillbillies show up and make dirty aggressive jokes about how there “ain’t no man around to pertect ya.” Beautiful woman retorts with Hollywood version of “woman power,” a joke about breaking hillybilly’s face and then proceeding to take down two of them quickly before being knocked down and then saved by lead. --- END MINOR SPOILER Would we have seen that in a James Cameron movie? Perhaps. Would it have been shot like a scene from “Gone in 60 Seconds?” Not a goddamn chance. Now don’t get me wrong. This doesn’t ruin the movie, and these moments are few. But it is clearly aimed at teens and young adults more. Christian Bale. Ok, he’s not bad, but I feel he missed the mark here. I’m a Bale fan, and it just doesn’t feel like he knew quite what to do with this character. It’s a one note piece, for sure, but so was Sam Worthington’s character and he hit the right note. Bale just seems a bit off. The first five minutes. TERRIBLE. I think everyone in my row agreed that the first segment was awful. Really awful. It’s just a set-up scene, but the dialogue and scenario are done really poorly in my opinion. MINOR SPOILER – “So that’s what death tastes like.” Who fucking wrote that? Christ. END SPOILER - Thankfully the trend doesn’t continue past the intro. The last five minutes. Almost as silly as the first five minutes. MAJOR SPOILER --- We learn halfway through that Marcus (Sam Worthington’s character) is a hybrid terminator/human type thing, so he’s mostly machine but he has human organs. Well, John Connor is dying at the end of the film because he got all beat up and “his heart can’t take any more.” Whatever the fuck that means. So Marcus tells everyone that John can have HIS heart, because he wants to use this as his chance for redemption. Ok, I can buy that heart transplants are simple and effective a mere decade from now. But they’re in the fucking desert in a tent with no walls and it shows the two lying next to each other as we crossfade to the epilogue. Really? Are you fucking serious? A heart transplant in the middle of the open desert with a pregnant Bryce Dallas Howard supposedly doing the surgery? And this ends the movie? Right. --- END SPOILER Character development. There wasn’t much at all. Not much more to say about that. The mute black kid. There’s no other way to put it. It (and I say “it” because I was certain it was a little girl but my friends kept saying it was a boy but really, what difference does it make) was a pointless character that screamed quite loudly, “Look! Hollywood has found the most minor of all minorities! It’s black, a child, AND has a speech impairment!” And of course, it never got hurt (even as all the rest of mankind got wiped out), it “sensed” danger before anyone else, and it ultimately and literally saved the day for all mankind. Way too gimmicky for my liking. Transformers/Matrix. There were a few parts that seemed ripped straight out of Transformers. There were MANY parts that reminded me a lot of the last two Matrix movies. Try not to draw the same conclusions when they are - MINOR SPOILER – being attacked by the various machines (especially the water terminators that look a lot like the squidies) or making their way to the machine city. – END SPOILERS – The rest: The McG factor. This is the best McG film I have seen. An admission, though. It’s the only McG film I have ever seen. That said, I read a lot of the attacks on him and his credibility and “how can a guy named ‘McG’ do a Terminator movie justice” and all that bullshit and his retorts and so on, and I think this movie is pretty much the brighter side of exactly what a lot of people thought it would be. It’s big, it’s fun, it’s kinda goofy, but you can tell the guy’s trying to make it dark. It’s just that the gloss still shines through. The Plot. It’s pretty simple hide and seek stuff the whole time. It is what it is. Action. Can there be too much action? I want to say Terminator: Salvation speaks loudly about that, and what it’s saying is yes, there can. Some of the scenes are awesome and big, but some could have been dropped in favor of more character development, in which there is very little. Overview: I liked Terminator: Salvation as a popcorn movie. My expectations were mixed for this, so I think I was pretty levelheaded going in and not expecting too much or too little. There were plenty of cool scenes, a few lame scenes, and that really awful bookending of opening and closing shots. The middle chunk though is an enjoyable movie with some good thrills and fun sequences. As a side note, I stumbled upon T2 on cable last night while I was falling asleep, and was caught up again quickly in the greatness of that story and I thought about how well it has held up over almost two decades. Today, I walked out of TS smiling for sure, but there wasn’t a single feeling in my body that Terminator: Salvation was anything more than a “just good enough sequel” to spend a few hours beating the early summer heat with. I’ll give it a 6.5 out of 10. Once again, you can call me Clounshoo.

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  • May 8, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    DOES IT HAVE THE THEME MUSIC??

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    To play when the rumored T-800 appears? (if it actually does)

  • May 8, 2009, 3:46 a.m. CST

    HUGH JACKMAN RAPED MY CHILDHOOD

    by elbmirb

    It hurt.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Sounds good to me.

    by Harold The Great

    Too little action ruins summer films these days. It's not like the Terminator story was ever that deep.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Good review

    by tolomey

    the guy seemed to like it on the whole. I thought 6.5 was pretty harsh tho.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Mute kid = Gymnastics girl from Lost Worlld?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

  • May 8, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Good for you, elbmirb --

    by DrunkyMcLush

    But nobody fucking cares. This is a board for Terminator... not Wolverine.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST

    And how was it?

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    OHHHH GOOOOD FOR YOUUUU !!!!!!!!!!<P>It's worthless now isn't it! <P>Too bad it will never be as good as Star Trek:Mall Cop. <P>Lord Bale has failed us........

  • May 8, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST

    ending...

    by SunTzu77

    sounds like pure cheese.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Sounds awful

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • May 8, 2009, 4:06 a.m. CST

    No plans to see this....

    by jedimast3r

    No time for shlock like this when I can just drop the bills to take in Star Trek again. Transformers 2, Potter, The Hangover, Up...this piece of shit doesn't have a chance. Plus they cancelled the show which I adore so fuck this movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    No "R" rating ...

    by CENOBITE

    Post Apocalyptic films should be "R" unless the name of your film is "Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone".

  • May 8, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Sounds awful

    by iambrucewillis

  • May 8, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Shane Hulbert RAPED MY CHILDHOOD!

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Fuck you Shane Hulbert <P> What this movie needs is a Jar Jar Binks type sidekick!

  • May 8, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    New 4 minute long Trailer

    by John-Locke

    http://tinyurl.com/62sehn

  • May 8, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    A review I can believe.

    by V'Shael

    You know that desert scene thing was spawned by the idea that originally John's skin was going to cover Marcus's body, right? <p> A heart transplant does sound retarded. Clearly someone was in love with the idea of the two men lying next to each other in the desert. They were going to aim for that final image, regardless of whether it made sense. <p> There's something about McG that reminds me of Jon "And he must fight a giant mechanical spider in the third act" Peters. <p> It's like they know what they want, but have no idea how to grow the story organically, so the movie lurches from set piece to set piece.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:16 a.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS and TERMINATORS - FAIL.

    by noncents

    This is what happens when you forget about life and blood characters and have acuras' spouting off gibberish to fugly tweenage lead actors chosen by the HOLLYWOOD Fam. TRY HARDER!

  • May 8, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    SCREENWRITING isn't easy. Yes, HACKWRITING is.

    by noncents

    Yawn.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:21 a.m. CST

    it does sound awful

    by SunTzu77

    spoiler ++++++++++++ the whole heart transplant scene sounds so asinine. I'm glad Marcus and John miraculously have the same blood type. I'm glad Kate (a vet) can perform one of these operations on the fly in the middle of the desert. I'm glad John doesn't need any meds in case his body rejects the organ. I mean seriously, I would be willing to wager that 90% of this talk back could write a better ending. I would have accepted some ending where... John is all ripped up and they take him to a medical lab and replace some of his appendages, etc. with robotic parts... ala luke skywalker... but the existing ending... omg.... it's hilariously bad. ++++++ end spoiler.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST

    are we really suprised guys? look..Bale's

    by southafricanguy

    great, Sam Worhtington is also very good if you have seen him in other things, and we knew the effects would be good (cmon ILM and Stan (R.I.P) Winston?). But its McG...what can we expect? This is the guy that made Charlies Angels, movies that are on the same level as something Bay would make. It sounds entertaining, and I truly believe McG gave it his all, but cant say im suprised by hearing this....oh well, as long as its better than T3...

  • May 8, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST

    I'D GIVE MY HEART TO BALE...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    If he asked, I'd rip it right out of my chest, snapping my ribs open like twigs, and then hand my beating heart, all bloody and hot to Bale...and then he'd wolf it down like a hungry jackal. Because that's how hard he is.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    for what thats worth..........

    by southafricanguy

  • May 8, 2009, 4:40 a.m. CST

    it sounds like he fucked it

    by johnnylawless2

    I haven't cried once about McG being given this franchise, and I haven't voiced any disapproval of any of the silly 'won't be PG13' spin campaign, but if the film is as the reviewer says, I think it will finally be time to throw all my toys out of the pram...this movie sounds like a lot of big shiny nothing, and don't get me started on the proposed sequels.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Sounds good. Definately will see this.

    by HarryBlackPotter

    I for one welcome the return of apocalyptic cinema. It takes me right back to my childhood in the 80's when we got Mad Max, and erm...Mad Max 2...amd erm...Mad Max 3...oh, then there was shit like Steel Dawn, Spacehunter, Defcon 5...but this sounds like I'll have a nuclear blast with this movie. Okay, so it sounds like a Michael Bay movie, but so what, I like Michael Bay movies. Bring on the Bale!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 4:43 a.m. CST

    V'Shael, you're dead on with that

    by johnnylawless2

    sums it up entirely. When you're just shoving in things that a producer wants to see, it will become pot luck as to whether the film is even watchable.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:44 a.m. CST

    4 min trailer

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    While this review has dropped my expectations down, that trailer is fantastic.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:45 a.m. CST

    at the end of mad max 4...

    by SunTzu77

    *** spoiler **** he gets a heart transplant... and a bomb is snuck into his ribcage *** end of spoiler***

  • May 8, 2009, 4:46 a.m. CST

    4 min trailer looks nice but...

    by SunTzu77

    it practically showed all the cool parts it looks like LOL.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Rape Scene

    by AgentCross

    Minor Spoiler.Just wanted to take a moment to defend the scene that the reviewer thought was aimed at teens. The whole Marcus helps Blair fight off the Scavengers was supposed to be a character moment for Marcus. It might not of come across in the film, but in the book he was a very bad man before his "death" and he saw the scavengers harassing Blair, before they saw him and could of just left. It was a will he leave her to die like he would of in his past life? Moment. He made the right choice and helped her.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Heart transplant

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    SPOILERS##Moaning about Bales heart transplant being done in the desert in a sci-fi film is a bit retarded##end spoiler.<p>Not to sure about the film actually ending with this scene tho.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:58 a.m. CST

    WHERE THE FUCK IS SWANEY

    by JBouganim1

  • This movie sounds so bad. Who cares if its mindless action? This is THE TERMINATOR! It deserves better!

  • May 8, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    The Book vs the Movie

    by AgentCross

    After watching that beautiful 4 minute trailer, I'm pretty sure the only major difference between the Movie Novelization and the Movie is that the book doesn't contain the epilogue. I can't wait.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Dear AICN

    by Lemure_v2

    Hire this guy, he writes a good review. Concise, straight to the point and no personal biography beforehand. Must hire.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:30 a.m. CST

    still uncertain

    by Ogmios_the_Eloquent

    i know i'll see it but i still can't shake that 'meh' feeling. hope i'm wrong... but i doubt it.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Sounds okay to me

    by Sal_Bando

    It has Giant Robots. I'm there.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Great review, many thanks - but...

    by Cat_Corporation

    I'm well disappointed that the movie sounds as I feared - average and popcorn. Ho hum. I'll still go, but I was hoping for something really substantial with this one, to back up the first two. Drat!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Oh dear...

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    We don't need another average Terminator movie. I really wish they had just left it alone unless Cameron was involved.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:05 a.m. CST

    I quote: "This is definitely a PG-13 movie." (endquote)

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Fuck this teenage PG-13 bullshit to hell.<p>This is fucking TERMINATOR ffs! Jesustittyfuckingchrist, damn McG and the suits to hell!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Praying for the 'unrated' version

    by LargoJr

    WTF is up with this crap? First they did it to Die Hard, now Terminator? Whats next.. remake Apocalypse Now and replace the bullets with nerf bats and duct tape?

  • May 8, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Yippie Ki Yay Mother....*BLAM**!

    by Dhaemon

    Now in T4. <Br> Fucking PG-13 Bullshit.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Was the lighting okay?

    by estacado1

    I mean if the DP got an earful for messing with the lights, the lighting better be exceptional.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST

    PG-13 doesn't mean it'll be bad

    by HarryBlackPotter

    It just means that it won't be bloody or profane. Sure, this won't be as violent and hard-edged as the first Terminator, but then, T2 wasn't as hard as it's progenitor either.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    The ending...

    by j_ky2002

    Is meant to convey a sense of hopelessness. Yes, it is improbable that Connor will survive a heart transplant in the desert. We're not supposed to suspend out disbief of that. It's almost a clifhanger ending. It serves it's purpose. I could also see each of the next series of movies NOT having interconnected storylines. Each one can explore one of the possible timelines the previous movies set into motion.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:33 a.m. CST

    T-salvation is a Crank movie? they stole bales heart?

    by coltrautman

    "CHAN CONNUH U HAVE ONE HOUHA TA KEEP YER HAHT PUMPIN OAH U DIE!"

  • May 8, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST

    What happened to Helene Bonham Carter?

    by jenkis

    No one's mentioned her.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    or Helena, even.

    by jenkis

    Either of them.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:11 a.m. CST

    HarryBlack

    by VXXXJesterXXXV

    T2 had a lot of profanity in it. Also I know that if I was in this world with robots wiping out the human race I'm going to sounds like a drunken sailor. It doesn't mean it is automatically a bad movie, it just means it's toned down too damned much. Studios need to keep R-rated franchises R-rated in my opinion.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:14 a.m. CST

    F*** Off

    by donkey_lasher

    with the spoilers you idiots.<p> So it's as underwhelming as T2 then? That was hyped up to hell, and T1 still holds up much better these days than all of them.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Sigh...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...For the 4th Terminator film I want a hardcore future war movie with John Connor embracing his role as leader and saviour of mankind and at the same time forging a bond with his father, who he knows he will have to ultimately send to his death to ensure humanity survives. It should be brutal, it should be scary, there should geninue death and savagery in a desolated environment. Looking at the trailers, reading the reviews I dont think is going to happen. Fuck.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:24 a.m. CST

    I watched Terminator and T2 again recently...

    by I Hope You Die

    Terminator holds up much better. T2, which was once my most favorite film in the whole wide world, is barely watchable. It just drags on and on with Edward Furlong and only redeems itself when Sarah goes after Dyson (which is like 8 hours in). It's way more a product of its time than the original. The snotty kid, the CGI, all of it feels even more dated than the 80s. My advice if you have good memories of it: Don't watch it again.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I AM ROCKO

    by donkey_lasher

    I totally agree with your words there. Back in the 80's, we had visions of a truly terrifying future.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:32 a.m. CST

    T2

    by donkey_lasher

    I didn't enjoy it half as much as the first time I saw it in the cinema. Once you get over the liquid metal effects and the Guns and Roses song it makes for a mediocre action flick. The last third is pretty great though. It was cool in it's day but only because it WAS a Terminator film. One with jarring comedy moments.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I Hope You Die

    by Mr. Moe

    I watch T2 several times a year. It stands the test of time like a true masterpiece.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    "Bale. Ok, he’s not bad?!"

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Go fuck yourself.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    T2 WAS AN ADULT MOVIE?!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Must've seen another version then.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Sounds like the TV show. "just good enough"

    by knowthyself

    Which I guess after Cameron is the best we can ever expect from this franchise.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Bale was a bit off???

    by purplemonkeydw

    Oh yeah? Well you try getting into character with someone right in your line of sight! It's unprofessional! He's a nice guy, but... How was the lighting by the way? (this will never get old)

  • May 8, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Bale was off? WFT?

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Bale doesn't do OFF. GET IT! He is the most ON actor around. Don't mess with the bull, sonny, you'll get the horns EVERYTIME!

  • May 8, 2009, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Like Most Blockbusters...

    by Redfive!

    This will be minorly excepted then bashed to no end down the road.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:50 a.m. CST

    TOTAL FILM REALLY LIKED IT!

    by HarryBlackPotter

    11 Things We Love About Terminator Salvation We've seen it! We liked it. Here's the good stuff... It's Sam Worthington's Film SPOILER ALERT! We’ve tried to stay away from the big stuff, but don’t read on if you’re looking to stay 100% pure… Bale’s name might be on the top of the credits – and he gives good growl as usual. But it’s Sam Worthington who gets the meaty plotline to chew on. His Marcus goes through a major journey. Our only troublesome issue: his accent wobbles occasionally – something that should have been fixed it in post-production. Anton Yelchin Makes A Solid Kyle Reese Yelchin doesn’t get as much to do as Worthington or even Bale, but he makes the most of his role, inhabiting the skin that Michael Biehn laid out in the original movie, without seeming like he’s doing an impersonation. Almost Everyone Gets Good Material To Work With We’ve talked about Worthington... Bale’s Connor is, obviously, the other strong focus - but even lesser characters like Moon Bloodgood’s Blair Williams get their moments to shine. Bryce Dallas Howard’s Kate Connor is the only one who really seems short-changed by the film's relentless pace. She gets some moments with Bale, and one action beat, but that’s about her lot. Maybe next film… The Set-Pieces Are Stunning You may have seen some of the film’s highlights in the trailers already, but there’s plenty that's been held back for the movie itself. It's Loaded With Nods To The Other Terminator Movies Never once forgetting their franchise's heritage, McG and his team have packed Salvation with cleverly crafted – if occasionally unsubtle winks to what came before. Our favourite? A snatch of Guns N’ Roses ‘You Could Be Mine’ when Connor tangles with a MotoTerminator… Fanboys Will Be Happy The movie hits the ground running in terms of plot – with just a brief, narrative crawl at the start to explain who Connor is, for anyone coming in cold. So much assumed knowledge might leave viewers unfamiliar with the other Terminators a little lost, but there is plenty to enjoy for non-fans and, y'know, keep up! Do a bit of revision on the other three before you buy a ticket... It Looks Amazing McG has talked about the special film stock he and his camera team created for the movie, and it works well, giving the film a bleached, stark look that perfectly fits the sparse, arid, desert locations and the general ruined, post-apocalyptic LA vibe. Plus, everything about Connor’s Resistance HQ – and, for that matter, the command base’s hidden location – has an edgy, grimy, desperate-humanity feel to it. A Famous Face Definitely Appears Whoever on the effects team created the much-rumoured version of one of the Terminator movies’ most famous visages deserves a huge slap on the back and a big pay rise. It makes for a broad-grinning, tummy-flipping, cheer-out-loud moment… Ironside! The mighty Michael Ironside plays the head of the resistance, and though he only has a small role, he absolutely rocks. The movie needed someone – besides Sam Worthington – to match up to Bale for muscular alpha-maleness, and Ironside is more than up to the job. The Ending Is Edgy... And Controversial But definitely not in the way the early rumours suggested. Yes, there’s sacrifice and yes, there’s a life-saving move. Other than that... expect much message-board debate - and maybe derision... It Leaves Us Wanting More... There are no easy-wrapped happy endings. The small triumphs feel earned, but what you’re left with is a feeling that the war – and this new chapter of the story – has only just begun. And the last lines of the film will be pleasingly familiar to fans and mouthwatering for newcomers…

  • May 8, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation sucks?

    by AxeEmAll

    Anything less than a seven out of 10 pretty sucks. Mediocre at best.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:51 a.m. CST

    TOTAL FILM REALLY LIKED IT!

    by HarryBlackPotter

    11 Things We Love About Terminator Salvation We've seen it! We liked it. Here's the good stuff... It's Sam Worthington's Film SPOILER ALERT! We’ve tried to stay away from the big stuff, but don’t read on if you’re looking to stay 100% pure… Bale’s name might be on the top of the credits – and he gives good growl as usual. But it’s Sam Worthington who gets the meaty plotline to chew on. His Marcus goes through a major journey. Our only troublesome issue: his accent wobbles occasionally – something that should have been fixed it in post-production. Anton Yelchin Makes A Solid Kyle Reese Yelchin doesn’t get as much to do as Worthington or even Bale, but he makes the most of his role, inhabiting the skin that Michael Biehn laid out in the original movie, without seeming like he’s doing an impersonation. Almost Everyone Gets Good Material To Work With We’ve talked about Worthington... Bale’s Connor is, obviously, the other strong focus - but even lesser characters like Moon Bloodgood’s Blair Williams get their moments to shine. Bryce Dallas Howard’s Kate Connor is the only one who really seems short-changed by the film's relentless pace. She gets some moments with Bale, and one action beat, but that’s about her lot. Maybe next film… The Set-Pieces Are Stunning You may have seen some of the film’s highlights in the trailers already, but there’s plenty that's been held back for the movie itself. It's Loaded With Nods To The Other Terminator Movies Never once forgetting their franchise's heritage, McG and his team have packed Salvation with cleverly crafted – if occasionally unsubtle winks to what came before. Our favourite? A snatch of Guns N’ Roses ‘You Could Be Mine’ when Connor tangles with a MotoTerminator… Fanboys Will Be Happy The movie hits the ground running in terms of plot – with just a brief, narrative crawl at the start to explain who Connor is, for anyone coming in cold. So much assumed knowledge might leave viewers unfamiliar with the other Terminators a little lost, but there is plenty to enjoy for non-fans and, y'know, keep up! Do a bit of revision on the other three before you buy a ticket... It Looks Amazing McG has talked about the special film stock he and his camera team created for the movie, and it works well, giving the film a bleached, stark look that perfectly fits the sparse, arid, desert locations and the general ruined, post-apocalyptic LA vibe. Plus, everything about Connor’s Resistance HQ – and, for that matter, the command base’s hidden location – has an edgy, grimy, desperate-humanity feel to it. A Famous Face Definitely Appears Whoever on the effects team created the much-rumoured version of one of the Terminator movies’ most famous visages deserves a huge slap on the back and a big pay rise. It makes for a broad-grinning, tummy-flipping, cheer-out-loud moment… Ironside! The mighty Michael Ironside plays the head of the resistance, and though he only has a small role, he absolutely rocks. The movie needed someone – besides Sam Worthington – to match up to Bale for muscular alpha-maleness, and Ironside is more than up to the job. The Ending Is Edgy... And Controversial But definitely not in the way the early rumours suggested. Yes, there’s sacrifice and yes, there’s a life-saving move. Other than that... expect much message-board debate - and maybe derision... It Leaves Us Wanting More... There are no easy-wrapped happy endings. The small triumphs feel earned, but what you’re left with is a feeling that the war – and this new chapter of the story – has only just begun. And the last lines of the film will be pleasingly familiar to fans and mouthwatering for newcomers…

  • May 8, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    christian fail

    by Larry Sellers

    Felt the same as T3 but not as hollow. That's all I'll say.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:12 a.m. CST

    how long is the arnold scene?

    by coltrautman

    someone is saying on IMDB its about 4-5minutes then his skin gets melted off...but just wondering

  • May 8, 2009, 9:14 a.m. CST

    So Its Better Than The Nadir Of The Series?

    by LaserPants

    I am of course referring to T2: WAAAAAAH!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    So a Hamilton voiceover!

    by performingmonkey

    I hoped they would reveal Sarah was still alive, but they're probably gonna confirm her death here. IMO they left it open in T3, with the possibility of Sarah faking her death for John's sake, even if she did have cancer.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Cameron Wouldn't Do Cliche' Tough Chick Scenes?

    by LaserPants

    Umm... did you see T2: WHY DO WOO CWY? Pretty much Linda Hamilton's entirely awful and unintentionally hilarious performance is Cliche' Tough Chick / Fake Lesbo Mom schtick. Why do I get the feeling more and more that people love T2 not because it was good, but because the marketing told you you had to like it? Either that or many of you saw it at a very young age, it was one of the first movies you saw, and therefore you overrate it. Its like Star Wars for GenXers -- we look over the cheesiness of it because it profoundly effected us as kids. T2 is, at best, a mediocre to awful movie. Just admit it and move on.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:21 a.m. CST

    BOOOOM! Down goes T:S!

    by LabattsBleu

    Well, that review seemed fairly mixed too...so, I am thinking this will be average, just like most of us expected once "McG" was hired...the trailer looked cool, but honestly, how can anyone fuck up a trailer about a post apocalyptic war with machines?! As a fan of good movies, I may wait to see this on DVD; NO WAY IN HELL I pay to support and justify the hollywood model of stuffing crap down our throats, believing all the sheeple will just swallow whatever shit there are handed (I'm looking at you John Mostow, and your rape of T3)

  • May 8, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    MAKE THE NEXT TWO FILMS "R"

    by Unlabled

    For chrissakes! Why are studios cutting the balls off my favorite franchises?

  • May 8, 2009, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Wow, Laserpants - did Cameron fuck you over or something?

    by LabattsBleu

    you seem to have a serious hate on for a guy whom you've never met...as far as T2, luckily, you are in the minority, based on box office receipts, critics, top 100 lists, the majority on this site, etc, etc, etc...You must be living in a world completely opposite, to believe that T2 sucked and T3 was better?!

  • May 8, 2009, 9:36 a.m. CST

    No, He Just Made A Shitty Sequel To A Good Movie

    by LaserPants

    I don't hate him, I just think he's way overrated. Also, I think T2 is a steaming pile of shit. But this we all know.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Hmmmm.....

    by JDanielP

    Maybe it's a good thing that expectations get lowered. It actually helps...when it 'comes movie time. (Note: I only read the last paragraph because I don't like to know too much, before actually seeing the movie.)

  • May 8, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Bale wasn't good? Blame the lighting!

    by Squashua

    Bale does.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Hmm....

    by chuffsterUK

    ....still no mention of Sarah Connors photo in either`review`...

  • May 8, 2009, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Predictably, it's Alien versus Predator 1 & 2 again.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    I.e. shit made by a cretin. Aren't there any serial killers who could free the world of "Mac Gee"? And Rattner, while they're at it?

  • May 8, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    This makes no fucking sense

    by drturing

    I can't believe they had a perfect ending in front of them and completely wasted it. Here you've got John Connor, who has spent his entire life harassed and pursued by the machine, had his life ripped apart and forced to becoming something in order to fight it... And he finds out that this is the period when Skynet is fusing humanity with technology as the Marcus character represents... And they end it with a cheesy heart transplant... When the damn obvious awesome thing to do would've been for John Connor to accept at the end while dying that he needs cyborg parts, he needs to become like the machine, to continue his fight. Imagine a Terminator 5 in which Christian Bale has the composure of Arnold in T2 and when faced with a barrage of gunfire walks right into it. Imagine the kinetic set pieces you'd get from a half cyborg Christian Bale tearing down lights and being a cyborg professional. And the dramatic possibilities, of him having become like his enemy. Everything here sounds like what the 4 minute trailer makes me think - which is that it looks pretty cool, but what the fuck is that bmx extreme stunt doing in all this? Sounds like a McG movie all right. Here's hoping the word on Bale's performance is enough for Bale to get McG fired for the next installment, especially with McG wanting to remake Transformers in the next one. Picture it now "Their future war. Our world." That's McGs best idea. And I hate prequelitis crap where everything is connected.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai

    by chuffsterUK

    Shit,I really thought that wanking scene would stay intact. What about the bukkake scenes,were they removed too?

  • May 8, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Aww, Ace, Did You Cwy When Robodaddy Died

    by LaserPants

    I bet you did. BTW, I must've hit close to the mark given the intensity of your emotion in regards to T2: MEDIOCRITY UBER ALLES. There, there, Ace, there, there...

  • May 8, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Listen up you little shitbirds

    by drturing

    You weren't of age when T2 came out so you probably didn't see it in theaters. I'm not shitting you when T2 came out it was like The Dark Knight. It owned the summer like nothing else. Everyone went to see it, old grannys went to see it. The T1000 was like some kind of chimerical miracle made real. Driving a semi through an overpass for real without cgi bullshit was actually a really tricky gag back in the day. That's how oversaturated your brains have become with fast and the furious bullshit. But more importantly the film manages to lurch from setpiece to setpiece elegantly and TELLING A STORY WITH A THEME.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    T2 rated R

    by skimn

    I don't know about you. Maybe the PG13 rating is a little more lenient nowadays, but I think the metal "sword" through the mouth of John's stepfather, and the guard with the metal spike through the eye/back of head, however bloodless would warrant an R rating. It was rated for "strong sci-fi action and violence, and for language". Maybe with a trim or two, it would be a PG13 today.<p>I'm suprised neither review mentioned Bale's "I'll be back" line. Did it succeed, or get a groan..?

  • May 8, 2009, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Don't forget

    by drturing

    gleeful kneecapping of cops left and right played for laughs. i think that was the real kicker for T2

  • May 8, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Jared Syn

    Can't believe people still keep biting on his troll bait.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Sam Worthington

    by tech_noir

    Is sharing main billing on the poster with Christian Bale. He's getting plenty of attention for this role. Of course, Bale is still a bigger name. I find it interesting that the film is more Sam's story than Bale's story. But I think more than anything, what this reviewed had an issue with seems to be the way things were shot and not actually what was shot. It's the look of the film, the pacing of the editing, and not necessary the dialogue or the action or a few cheesy lines. I've been a fan of Terminator for 25 years of my life, and I've fully accepted there are some very cheesy moments in both films. But they're amazing cause the films are still grounded in such a reality. I'd like to know how old the reviewer is, cause he sounds like he could still be in high school, and it's hard for me to take that kind of opinion very seriously. This kid's review is NOT GOING TO KILL Terminator Salvation. So, instead of all of you taking his word for it, go see it, and make up your own minds. I know I will.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    The Terminator series

    by PantherMatt

    You may add me to the list of those who realize that T:2 is an awful film. There has only been one good Terminator movie, and that's "The Terminator." T:2 is chock-a-block with horribly dated effects, shitty, shitty attempts at culture clash humor, bad performances (Furlong, Ahnold), an imaculated Terminator (it can't kill anyone now, because it's NICE?!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? Unforgiveable), and some ham-fisted sentimentality. Titanic is a better Terminator movie than T:2 is.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Damned lack of edit button...

    by PantherMatt

    I meant "Emasculated," not "imaculated." Grrr.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:35 a.m. CST

    T2 was a 10oz Canister of Easy Cheese

    by SupermanEmpire

    Look, I'll never forget the first time I watched T2 in the Theatre. It truly is a groundbreaking film of its time. The effects (both digital and practical) brought the industry leaps and bounds into the future of big effects films...eventually leading to Jurassic Park and others. All this being said, whether you look at the film within the context of the time it was released or now...it’s still a big stinking pile of easy cheese...but fuck man, I love that shit on a ritz...just as I'm sure that Terminator Salvation will satisfy my hunger for a fucking bad-ass terminator laden extravaganza. Plus WTF is with the Bale hate...this guy has single handedly made comic/sci-fi/horror films a LEGIT force to be reckoned with as dramatic pieces. The industry should be resisting the gag reflex as they pleasure the man known as the Bale. I'll see his performance for myself and make my own judgment thank you. BTW if you get the chance to see T2 on Blu Ray...its like a whole new experience...In the aqueduct truck chase scene, as the T-1000 drives the fucking truck into the side of the bridge support...if you pause that shit you can totally see a fucking cheesy ass mannequin slam against the wall, his fucking hair piece and everything flips of his goddamn head...hahahahaha you fuckers...epic...No...Cheesy YES...a classic FUCK YEAH, its T2 bitches. Praise be to Bale.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    good, accurate review

    by unami

    at the screening i attended, the people who went in expecting nothing were pleasantly surprised. the fans of the franchise (including me) didn't hate it, but were disappointed anyways. some thoughts: - the (hardly existing) quiet character scenes had a very sterile sound. - a lot of unnecessary citations of the previous movies. - cgi arnold looked really good in 2 out of 3 images, but carried a little "tacked on in the editing room" - feeling. - great look - very loud, metallic, ear-splitting soundtrack - lots of action but no suspense - worthington & yelchin great, bale just "meh" (i guess, i can't see his "i had no friends as a child"-expression anymore. bryce dallas howard looks dead. all in all: could have been worse, but don't expect too much.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    t2 was/is an awesome movie

    by martinlutherkrangjr

    terminator 2 sucks? seriously? terminator 2 is a great sequel and a great action movie. You cant rip on it for being dated and then say you like the original more since the original is dated pretty much in everyway imaginable, though still awesome. They are both kinda silly movies but pretty much everything james cameron makes is so kickass to the point where it becomes kinda cheesy.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    WTF is with the T2 hate

    by Ash0k

    What the heck? Sorry, but James Cameron knocked both T2 and Aliens out of the park. Both films stand very well against the test of time. T2 had cheesy SFX? Oh really? Please, the effects on the T-1000 alone were 100x better than the crappy CGI in films movies like Matrix Reloaded. And Arnold and Linda Hamilton was great. Let me guess, you idiots probably think Aliens and The Thing suck too.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    And Laserpants

    by Ash0k

    AVATAR is gonna RIP OUT YOUR EYEBALLS.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    You can't say T2 is a bad film due to...

    by pdennett316

    shitty FX, well, dated FX. A great film is a great film regardless of when it was made. It's like when the Exorcist was finally re-released in the UK, people were calling it shit because the effects were crude and simplistic, entirely ignoring the themes and imagery and the power they evoke. <p> By all means hate T2 because of rubbish acting (though I think Arnie was pretty good in it) or plotholes galore or even the pacing. I personally think it's a great film, though I will say the first is the better of the two.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Aliens is Camerons BEST EVER!

    by SupermanEmpire

    Aliens is Camerons fucking master stroke. I love the 1st two Terminator Films (and the 3rd one was decent), also True Lies was pretty good and of course the Abyss was excellent, but Aliens was his best...and always will be his best...fucking Titanic can suck my BALLLZZZZZZZZZZZZ, and "Gay"vatar can lick my asshole while Titantic does its duty.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    This review reads like an admission of guilt for passing...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    an otherwise very average, paint by the numbers film!<p>I fear Wolverine will give filmmakers and audiences all NEW levels of passes(rating-wise) for films this day forth!

  • May 8, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    paviod

    by paviod

    How is it these studio assholes can't make an awesome movie? The greatness of T1 and T2 was that it was balls to wall R rated. What a waste of a franchise - this should have been at least an 8-10 rating. They've had all this time to bring on a great story and all we get is mediocre. Mcg change your fucking name and reboot yourself. If you were a true fan you would have made this one for the adults.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:07 a.m. CST

    ALIENS Is Cameron's Best Ever, I Totally Agree

    by LaserPants

    It's also one of my fave films of all time. He really used to be a great director. Emphasis on USED TO BE.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Aww, Poor Wickle Ace

    by LaserPants

    Why doo woo cwy?

  • May 8, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I'd Love Nothing More Than AVATAR To Kick Ass

    by LaserPants

    And I will gladly come here and post how I am wrong and Cameron is great. HOWEVER, I have a strong suspicion that BATTLE FOR TERRA 2, uh, I mean, AVATAR is going to be OK. OK at best.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    WTF

    by The3ATMAN

    I thought we could have potentially had a film up to par with T2. This fucking execs who wrote this piece of shit should be terminated themselves. They think they're god knows what but they keep pumping shit after shit after shit. Get a great writer to come up with a good story then hire Nolan to direct the shit out of it. Fuck you McG. Your movie will make you money, but you will never go down as the one who gave salvation to the terminator franchise. I hate you.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Mostow did ok

    by SupermanEmpire

    BTW, yes I know fucking T3 was directed by Jonathan Mostow (of Breakdown fame. I mearly mentioned the flick because it wasn't half as awful as all the haters make it out to be on this site....it had shitty moments, but it was a FUCK LOAD better then Fox's shitty ass Sarah Connor Chronicles...Future LA looked like the fucken junk yard from fraggle rock.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Who was Sam Worthington in Rouge?

    by Series7

    Also yet again sounds like the Trailer is the best part of the movie, go figure. I thought after 2008 where movies transcend their trailer we would be done with that. But looks like where 3 for 3, Wolverine has a better trailer, Angles and Demons will suck but had a nifty trailer and sounds like T4 will be the same. Hopefully one movie this summer will get past that, it'll probably have to be Up.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:15 a.m. CST

    T3 Was Simultaneously Stupid AND Awesome

    by LaserPants

    T2 was just stupid. I realize I am in the minority here, and I don't care what you think. But it does amuse me to watch you devolve into impotent spasms of geek rage when I bust on T2: WE WUB WOO ROBODADDY.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Modern day MPA Rating system

    by SupermanEmpire

    With the dissolution of "lines" in the industries perimeter of whats acceptable and whats considered "adult"...I truly believe if T-1 or T-2 were released today, they would both get PG-13 ratings. Watch those films, then watch fucking 24 or CSI, or any other show or movie these days with an MP 14 or PG-13 rating and see if the first two Terminators would be R's. Fucking House of a Thousand Corpses is today's standard of an R.....get real with the idiotic "needs to be an R-Rating" argument...face it you are wrong...you lose. Now go jerk off to that Kate Winslet tits scene from that PG-13 pile of Cameron shit known as Titantic you little bitches.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    for Kyle Reese they should have done either of these:

    by Jesiah

    Make Biehn (spl?) digitally younger, or cast Edward Furlong in the role. Then again, Edward Furlong would've done some stupid PETA shit and Christian Bale would've beat his ass.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Bale ONE-NOTE????

    by Bjornegar

    There's a surprise.<P> Tempestuous twat only has two notes in his entire symphony.<P> MCG, YOU GONNA SAY ANYHTING TO THIS PRICK?<P> "Yeah, um, Christian, sorry to bother, don't go off on me, but, um, the hoarse whisper doesn't really work all the time, does it?"

  • May 8, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    T1 Still Rates As R

    by LaserPants

    Theres graphic sex, bloody violence, and DER ARRRRRRRRNULD rips his eye out.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Bale

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    I see the Bale haters are out in force today.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Graphic sex????

    by SupermanEmpire

    Hmmmm I don't know if you could count the Linda Hamilton Mike Bien scene as "graphic" I think theres one tit in all the shots, you gotta point though...as far as any of the gore, an eye coming off from a machine is acceptable on fucking NOGIN.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    One Tit Shot In An American Movie = R

    by LaserPants

    Don't blame me, blame the puritanical nature of the religious wackos on the MPAA board.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    TITS IN TITANIC

    by SupermanEmpire

    Once again I'll make the allmightly referral back to TITSTANIC....

  • May 8, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Not Positive...Not a Plant?

    by SupermanEmpire

    So if a review doesn't have an entirely positive spin its not a plant? WTF, maybe this guy is Michael Bay's turd that lived, and his fucking mission is to cast down TS into mediocraty so that Trans-gender-formers Revenge of the DVDA has all positive hype. FUCK IT....WE GOTTA PLANT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    About the R rating

    by Series7

    Come on you know the only directors alive right now who can get a R action movie right now are Sly and Zach. <P> I think it all comes down to the first movie you make, if you make a PG/PG-13 movie as your debut your stuck in that Rating area you whole career.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Asimovlives....I called you out!

    by SupermanEmpire

    unsser da fukun quuuestun...

  • May 8, 2009, 11:46 a.m. CST

    it sounds like

    by Cedar_Room

    this film won't be the abomination many expected from McGimp - and that it will be a fun popcorn film. BUT - is that really good enough?? I mean T1 and T2 are amongst the best films their genres have ever produced. They are producing sequels 25 years after the first one came out. And now we have this film that seemingly will be forgotten as soon as you leave the cinema. By no means awful - but what an opportunity missed to create something GREAT. I think thats where the fanboy hate is going to some from on this one.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    T2 Effects, Ash0k

    by PantherMatt

    Agreed that The Terminator effects are dated as well, but, for me, The Terminator had effects that served the story more than the effects of T2 (and, as such, are not as bothersome when they prove themselves to be a bit dated). As in, I feel that T2 was SFX Porn, if you will, and when the shiny newness of those effects wore off, there's not much left, in T2, except for one good chase scene and Ahnold giving the thumbs up, as he melts himself. As pdennett316 says, a good film is a good film regardless of effects. What I'm saying is that T2 isn't a good film, and all it had was effects. Now that they're old, and outdated, there's no movie there that's worth watching. And I agree the Matrix sequels SFX were useless and pretty lame (esp the Burly Brawl, or whatever it's called). FWIW, Aliens and The Thing are great, and both still stand up (not that The Thing is a Cameron flick, but whatever)

  • May 8, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Drturing

    by donkey_lasher

    "I'm not shitting you when T2 came out it was like The Dark Knight. It owned the summer like nothing else."<p> I think Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves owned that summer.<P>

  • May 8, 2009, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Sounds like I'll enjoy it.....

    by drewlicious

    But it will still be woefully inferior to the first two movies. The Dark Knight has spoiled me when it comes to summer movies.

  • May 8, 2009, noon CST

    Hoping this review is off a bit

    by BLEST

    The trailers/pics/novel all rock, so maybe it's a perception thing.<p>Oh wait, this is from the guy who reviewed Bruno? The one who said that there was !suprisebuttsex! and !supriseblowjobs! in it that will be great and "force" middle america to "deal with this stuff".<p>You're a douche of the highest order. <p>The Bale was obviously too much for your faggotry.<p>I don't think it'll be perfect, but if all the stuff from the novel is in it, it should rock!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    But, the Real Questions for the Ages -

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    Is it better than Charlie's Angels? <p> Does Bale ever do the McGruff The Crime Dog voice? <p> The spoilers sound retarded to me, but I guess I could see this being entertaining though highly disposable. Terminator and T2 stand alone, but I barely even remember the 3rd, and I've seen it twice.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    T1 is so dated and lame

    by Rupee88

    jus watched it recently...or tried to...just a bad B movie for the most part. The plot was good but that's about it. You guys are still seeing it through 12 y/o eyes. T2 was and is badass though...not perfect but maybe the best sci-fi action film of the last quarter century.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    This sounds like shit...

    by elwood_p_dud

    that is all.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Shit I forgot

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    Instead of Mute Minority Kid, it needed Idiot Man-Child.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Rupee

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    Having also watched it recently, I am inclined to agree with you to an extent, but I certainly don't think the progression of special effects tech or whatever renders awesome older films obsolete, either. It is what it is, an awesome SF movie from the 80's, IMO. <p> I don't think anyone's trying to proclaim Terminator as High Art, although, around here, I'm probably wrong.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    And no one has said whether or not

    by drturing

    theres a scene where the lighting is fucking distracting

  • May 8, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    T2 was awesome and is still very enjoyable!

    by Johnno

    Sure a lot of it is dated OBVIOUSLY!!!! In due time even teh Dark Knight will be hated on for it's dated effects and ridiculous I WUV YOU BAT PERSON or whatever bullshit future generations will hate on it for... but then as now these will forever be a minority, because a fun flick is still a fun flick and T2 is precisely that!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by LaserPants

    I'm exaggerating, of course. Theres some okay stuff. But it pales in comparison to the first one. And I HATE the whole ROBODADDY angle. Also: Emo Whiny John Connor. And: Linda "I'm Tuff! GRR! / Cliche" Hamilton. Yeah, I pretty much hate it. I will give it its due for featuring what, at the time, were groundbraking efx, but it hasn't aged well. Also: the story is crap and betrays more or less everything the first one set up.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    True Lies..

    by skimn

    Lets put a little love out there for True Lies, shall we. Despite it being all over the map with the action/mid life marital stuff/child kidnap (hello, Commando) plot, it has some top notch sequences. The mens room fight is the best "Bond" type fight NOT in a Bond film, Arnie swimming underwater with the fireball visible overhead is an iconic shot, and I gasp everytime Jamie Lee gets saved from the limo via helicopter. Its kind of a mess, but a damn enjoyable mess (I hated the entire Bill Paxton subplot BTW).

  • May 8, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    PG13? I think I'll take my money elsewhere thank you.

    by alucardvsdracula

    Like buying a hooker or two and throwing in a bottle of Jack. Anything than handing it over to these jackasses who think turning a solid R Rated franchise into Kiddy Porn is a good idea. Fuck McG. Fuck him in his ghey kiddy rapist ass.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:34 p.m. CST

    by SupermanEmpire

    AsimovLives...."What destinguishly doesn't make this review a plant" Destinguishly? HAHAHAHAHA....listen, I agree that its not a plant, its not some D-Bag exec trying to pedal his shit, but never believe that some dick flicker wouldn't post a half assed somber review of a film just to further his fucking sucko agenda....or in this case sucko-dick agenda. You are young little AsimovLives...you have much to learn in the ways of the film. BTW FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord yes the larengitis voice is a bit much, but a giant horsedick in your ass would be too. Go suk-a-cock!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Missing info

    by RG1701

    Why does everyone sound so angry? Chill out. The word "fuck" doesn't make everything sound cool and edgy. Anyway...I think that's what's missing, is that according to the book, Marcus' heart isn't totally organic. I can't recall, but it might not be organic at all. It was a Cyberdyne created thing, that would allow Marcus to live for a long time. In fact, it may have been designed by Skynet. So, considering that Skynet's tech is like magic (read: liquid metal terminator) , they might not have to worry about stuff like rejection and all that. Attribute it all to the repairing magic of Skynet nanites! :p

  • May 8, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    True Lies made me have boner for Curtis

    by SupermanEmpire

    The only scene that made me "gasp" LOL nice line....was the one in which curtis does the stip tease in the fucking thong...that made the front of my trousers open up and gasp...hahahaha...but everything else was top knotch action as well....BTW..I liked the Bill Paxton storyline.."I gotta little dick..its pathetic" I think half (or more)of the posters on this sight can relate to that guy....the other half probabely to Tom Arnold who's comedy worked when I was fucking 16, but now he just seems like a grade A D..D..D..D..D..D..D..DA..DA..DA..DA..DDDDDOUUUUCCCCHHHHHHH!!!!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    True Lies is better than Bourne

    by donkey_lasher

    And dare I say it, better than T2. One of Arnie's finest. And Jamie Lee in it...........schwing!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:49 p.m. CST

    RG1701

    by SupermanEmpire

    Here we go...Mr. fucking sophisticated is going to drop the "people who use the word fuck are idiots" angle...sorry wittle guy...I'll try to clean up my nethandriallic word usage so I don't cause a yellow spot in your itty bitty panties. Feels Utterly Cool & Kickass.....to swear.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Dudes!

    by bobbofatz

    I never get bored of the Bale rant references in your reviews or alt storylines ie(drturing). Funny as hell! Keep em coming fellow professionals!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:53 p.m. CST

    FYI: Twitter is fucking stupid.

    by gringostar

    Nobody gives a shit about what you are doing (except you).

  • May 8, 2009, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah, TS sounds underwhelming.

    by Orbots Commander

    It even looks it from the trailers. For frick's sake McG was the director, of course the movie is 'meh' at best. My prediction is that this whole, not that great, summer movie season will be dominated by Harry Potter and Star Trek.

  • May 8, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    The reasons T2 were rated R....

    by Han Cholo

    "What the FUCK is it?!? What the FUCK is going on?" <p> "I thought you told the kid to get rid of that fucking mutt." - THUNK!!! <p> The level of violence, i.e. getting impaled through the head still ratesan R. Also the use of Fuck more than once automatically rates as an R. So T2 is definitely a rated R film still.

  • May 8, 2009, 1 p.m. CST

    The reasons T2 were rated R....

    by Han Cholo

    "What the FUCK is it?!? What the FUCK is going on?" <p> "I thought you told the kid to get rid of that fucking mutt." - THUNK!!! <p> The level of violence, i.e. getting impaled through the head still rates an R. Also the use of Fuck more than once automatically rates as an R. So T2 is definitely a rated R film still.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation was a good popcorn movie....

    by Shaner Jedi

    ...well what the hell do you think T2 was?

  • May 8, 2009, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Pissed Off And Bitter

    by SupermanEmpire

    I'll give you the Fuck usage point...however the overall point of my original post was to say that any amount of violence/gore these days minus the Horror grade shit is no more then a modern day PG-13 rating, knife arm through the head included.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    $100 mil opening weekend.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Deservedly

  • Or has it been removed so it can stay pg13?

  • May 8, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    removed. no titties in a toy movie

    by nooneimportant

    we should demand McG's FUCKING head for ruining the ending. fucking HACK. what would've been so hard in getting Linda Hamilton's twin sister to pretend she's a cyborg for a fucking minute??!!

  • May 8, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    This is going to be FAR WORSE than T3

    by awepittance

  • May 8, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    guy who reviewed this is pro gay!

    by awepittance

    so we shouldn't listen to anything he has to say! he's a douche! remember his review for bruno when he was laughing at us poor southerners for getting mad at butt sex? BASTARD!!! <--parody of a fucking idiot

  • May 8, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I have a feeling...

    by mattb68

    that the "Bale" John Connor you'll see in this and the next two in the supposed trilogy will not be the one you think it is but will actually be his real father (not Kyle Reese). The actual John Connor is still in the womb (pregnant Kate). This will play out through the three movies culminating into the final movie's conclusion where Resse goes back to 1984...just a hunch...

  • May 8, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Bale's Rant...Changed Things

    by SupermanEmpire

    He used the naughty F-Word and went ape shit on a DP for shitty on his craft....now lets fucking call him a hack and say his performance was sub-par...even shitty....his rant did nothing for me accept cement what I already know...he puts everything hes got into what he does...he gives it all, even if it means setting a few michael bay action flick fuck offs who only care about making sure the squibs are perfect or the pyro is stagged right straight....thats just what he did, and although he admittedly took it too far, I tip my hat to him for standing up for what he believes in...how many of you ass holes can say you had the balls to stand up and put a D-Bag in their place at work....anyone? Thats why your not the Bale.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:36 p.m. CST

    ^nailed it.

    by BLEST

    Altough some of us were poor Californians. But like last time, anybody that isn't a flaming liberal and who has issues with shock value gay sex being in a film to "surprise people" must be from the south, right?<p>You = Douche pt. 2

  • May 8, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    last post directed at awepittance

    by BLEST

  • May 8, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    A surprising amount of T2 hate

    by Viewer 3

    The only thing that ruined my last viewing of T2 was that ridiculous extended edition with some of those completely asinine "extra scenes" added in. But the original cut, as far as I can remember, still holds up incredibly well.<p><p>Obviously the full-body liquid-metal effects are dated and whatnot, and sure Linda Hamilton's character has some cliche moments and lines, and sure the just-hit-puberty quality of John Connor's screams all stand out; but for some reason, those things become mute points when I remember the positives. I'm not one of those who only values a movie because of what it meant to me at the time and overlooks its flaws after I've grown up, don't get me wrong. Most movies I watch years later are just awful, but there's just something about the way T2 is shot that holds its value for me.<p><p>T1 is FAR more difficult to watch than T2, because T1 is DEFINITELY not a timeless film as far as the way it's shot. Visually it's got "80's" stamped all over it, almost to the point of being comedic these days. Which isn't to say it's not still dark and a damn good movie, but despite the Guns n Roses and that Budnick-from-Solute-Your-Shorts kid's mullet, T2 still has a visual style and direction that, to me at least, hasn't lost its edge by any means.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    The only memorable thing about this entire abortion will be

    by alucardvsdracula

    ...Bale's legendary rant of course. Amazing to think how an actors off screen blow out could be better than the entire turdfest movie he's being overpaid to star in. However, if they included this time capsule piece on the eventual DVD/Blu Ray I'd happily give these turkey's some of my hard earned. Until that day happens, this is me buying somefuckingthing else.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Etc.

    by Viewer 3

    And I completely disagree with the idea that T2 is "nothing" after its effects are stripped away. That's what you say about something like Transformers, but certainly not T2. I think people have just seen it so many times and it became so big that it's yet another one of those things that's now popular to hate. It's been parodied and used as such a pop-culture prop-comedy tool for so long the story and certain scenes to some people have lost their initial impact. And believe me, I'm not over-stretching to find my love for T2, I'm doing the opposite; I'm a tough critic, and I'm trying extremely hard to find every reason I can to hate the movie, but upon reading everyone's criticism, it just doesn't do it for me. I'm just not feelin' the hate. Now T3, that was an awful movie; it doesn't even enter my mind when I think of "Terminator movies". T1 was great for its time, and still a great story. T2 just trumped it in every respect.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I get the distinct impression that people

    by BLEST

    want this to fail, and Star Trek to win.<p>And that may be the the truth of the 2 films, but I'm waiting to see for myself.<p>The trailers are ace, the novel was compelling, and I'm REALLY hoping that the film matches up.<p>But even this review, saying it's better than T3 means that it should be a good flick.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:07 p.m. CST

    fuck this kid "clounshoo"... you know he sucks

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    seriously, you guys will take just a few different opinions, without seeing the movie, and say it will suck. these people seeing the movie, like this guy clounshoo, are probably total retards that you would never take seriously if they were telling you this to your face. odds are, that this movie will be cool shit- how could this movie not be cool? robots, bale, big robots. other stuff.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:17 p.m. CST

    So Basically, There's More "Bad" and "Ugly" Than Anything Else

    by Acquanetta

    It sounds like kids will need to go ahead and start convincing themselves that this is a great film ASAP.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    THE_ONE_MAN_GANG is RIGHT

    by SupermanEmpire

    Murderous bloodthirsty robots that want to punch our skulls off our fucking torsos. I don't give a fuck what ANYBODY says, In the Trailer when that helicopter lands on the Terminator, and Bale jumps out and puts two in its fucking dome...and the red eyes fade to black...FUCKING PRICELESS! This movie will rock, Star Trek and the pussy star fleet will bow to BALE and SKYNET

  • May 8, 2009, 2:18 p.m. CST

    T2 was great....

    by Davidia

    And silly, yes it had a stupid robo-daddy sub-text. But if you wanted to go that far into the lameness of the scripting you could say a whole hell of a lot of lambasting things towards other classics. Blade Runner is "Boohooz i have robo-cancer", etc. T1 didn't date well (I rewatched it recently and was laughing hysterically at the scene where Reese throws dynamite, wick and all, out the car at terminator on the cycle), and T3 was just filler. I like Bale and think Worthington is the next big thing, so I have hopes for this, and if it just turns out to be "Okay but nothing special", well no harm no foul.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Blest

    by LabattsBleu

    actually, quite the opposite - look at this talkback....There is so much passion for the Terminator on this Talkback...the difference with Star Trek, people here believe in Abrams being able to do something special: there is a decided lack of enthusiasm with McG...We'll see the box office after week 2, afterall, even the Hulk made 72 million in the opening day weekend...

  • May 8, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    T2 Hate *sigh*

    by [STARS]TyranT

    Not only does it have the minigun sequence, the nuclear bomb sequence, the opening, the ending, the pretty awesome at times script, and not to mention of the very best music scores for anything ever, it generates this hate. In the same talkback where T3 gets positive views, fucking jesus.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Reese?

    by Mattyboy122

    I donno how he is in this, but the kid who plays him was pretty unbearable in Star Trek.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Fucking Prick I Want You Off The Fucking Set

    by Broseph

    Seriously don't fuck with bale he's one of the best actors out right now i'm going to see this i don't care who directed it.any news on bale in killing paublo?

  • May 8, 2009, 2:53 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by SupermanEmpire

    I'm not sure if I would call the review a big trashing, the poster tries to appear like hes giving a fair and accurate review of Salvation...but instead he uses cleaver injections of negativity to give doubt to even the Terminator true believers...hes a douch, and his review is bull shit. I'll decide for myself on this one....just like so many did with DK. I apologize for the "young" comment,to much sugar and caffine I suppose, that was an assumption...and obviously not a very intuiative one...you got a few years on me pall.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST

    The absolute worst thing about reading AICN...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...isn't the laughable scoldings about piracy, or Harry's rambling barely literate autobiographical "reviews," or the "FIRST" posters, or the political flame wars, or the "plants," or the lack of an edit feature, or the quid-pro-quo raves for set-visted movies, or the general lateness of the news... it's these goddamn Terminator talkbacks and fucking LaserPants trotting out his god-awful failed stand-up "WE WUV YOU ROBODADDY" trolling schtick. <p> You're a nice guy, LaserPants, you're a nice guy, but that don't fuckin cut it when you're all AH DAH DAH DAH in my sightline with the ridiculous T2 hate.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    LabattsBlue

    by BLEST

    Yeah, there's lots of Terminator fans, that's for sure!<p>I love T1 and T2. I kinda sorta like the last 30 minutes of T3. Sorta.<p>I for one was all kinds of pissed when McG got the film, but trailers have made me optimistic. <p>The way Quint summarizes this is that there's alot of cool stuff, some lame stuff, and it's better than T3.<p>I'll go with that expectation and see. <p>Here's hoping that it's actually better than this guy says. I wanna see a few more reviews soon!

  • May 8, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    T3 hate? lol. T3 got really good reviews, even from AICN

    by Mr. Moe

    Seriously, that review was less positive than most reviews for T3 published on this very site from its own staff. Where did the T3 love go. Me think T3 love was temporary hyperbole, everyone wanted to love it sooo bad just like now with T4. Same old shit.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    T3 not bad not good either

    by Six Demon Bag

    just had an air of "been there done that" it was pretty much a retread of T2 except for the final 2 minutes which were pretty cool. but the whole good terminator protecting the boy from the bad terminator was perfected in the previous film

  • May 8, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    also..if they make it a trilogy it will be PG13 all the way

    by Six Demon Bag

    if this makes a shit load of money, they will think nothing is broken and keep low rating. if it does lower than expected (cash wise a least) they will still keep it at PG13 to recoup money. are only hope for more "violence" is the "unrated super deluxe BLURAY" still on fence about this one

  • May 8, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    This entire franchise is B movies!

    by Christopher3

    They're all fun - and the first is a great example of effective low-budget film making - but they're not masterpieces. It's time travel and overwrought voiceovers and fighting robots with Austrian accents covered in bloody beef jerky. Come on.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Here's the link to the Total Film review:

    by BLEST

    Which is more like a highlight reel, but still...VERY encouraging after reading this one.<p>Plus, it comes with pictures. Yay!<p>http://www.totalfilm.com/features/it-s-sam-worthington-s-film#content

  • May 8, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    All this "pray for unrated version" nonsense...

    by Viewer 3

    Ok, who are the idiots who actually think that a few "added scenes" are gonna turn a PG-13 movie into an R movie? An "R-rated Terminator movie" wouldn't just be a few, brief, standalone-R-rated scenes. It takes a lot more than that to shift the entire mentality of a film to an R-rated one.<p><p>I swear, every time I see these idiots saying "Oh there BETTER be an unrated edition to this or I'm gonna be pissed!!!" I just want to kick them directly in the ass crack. So, tough guy, you're gonna actually be happy if you end up with a few added scenes of gore and/or profanity to the point where you'd completely see the film in a new, forgivable light? Please. I don't care if they threw in the most violent, profanity-laden, ass-kicking, borderline-X-rated scenes of all time into a movie, it wouldn't make the story any better, or the acting, or the directing, or the movie as a whole. Sure it would be good to see, and I hope we do get an unrated version eventually; but I'm not gonna make a dumbass out of myself by pretending that my entire opinion of the movie hangs in the balance until I find out whether or not I someday get to see a few seconds of someone's head getting vaporized by a machine's laser.<p><p>I understand some people wouldn't mind seeing a little more violence; hell I wish it were R-rated, I'm just as disappointed as everyone else is that it's PG-13. But for the tools saying they're "still on the fence" and that they "MIGHT considering picking it up eventually if an unrated edition comes out"... grow up. If violence is what makes of breaks your movie-going experience, go watch something else.

  • It seriously exists and it is funny as all hell because they do T2 almost scene by scene. It actually had a decent budget and special effects/props. Good times...

  • May 8, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    T2 does suck!

    by jarjarmessiah

    I'm sorry but it does. Whiny Furlong. Terminator that does not kill. Thumbs up into the Lava. People love it because it was revoloutionary at the time. Like Jurassic Park, everyone was too enamored with the FX to notice how stupid it was.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Whenever quoting reviews I always think

    by skimn

    of Roger Ebert giving Videodrome a half star, calling it one of the most unenjoyable experiences he's had in a movie theater. And he called The Thing the "barf bag movie of the year", not in a good way. So, all in all, it's one persons opinion.<p><p>Even though mine is the right one, and yours is wrong...

  • May 8, 2009, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Hey performingmonkey

    by HB_Dad

    T3 stated Sarah died of cancer and at her request weapons were put in her casket instead of her body. Her body was cremated and the ashes scattered.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    I wonder why this line wasn't in the trailer:

    by SifoDyasJr.

    "from the director who brought you Charlie's Angels and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle..." <br>or<br>"from the director of a Korn music video and an episode of Chuck"

  • May 8, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST

    THE RANT ONLY CEMENTED THE GRASP OF BALE

    by JAMESCAMERON_STRANGLES_A_BITCH

    ALL HERETICS AND NON-BALEITES WILL BE PUNISHED BY REPEATED VIEWINGS OF T2 UNTIL THE REALIZATION OF T2 SHITTINESS BLOODIES THE EYES AND THEIR VERY SOULS ARE CONVERTED. CONFESS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED MY BROTHERS! I BEG OF YOU! CONFESS!

  • May 8, 2009, 4:44 p.m. CST

    TRUE LIES WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF

    by JAMESCAMERON_STRANGLES_A_BITCH

    TIA CARRERE WAS BOTTLE-FUCKED BY TOM ARNOLD WHILST TONGUING CURTIS' RECTUS. SEQUEL?

  • May 8, 2009, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Asimov

    by BLEST

    Yeah, I know. I'm not saying that just because they liked it'll automatically be something that I like.<p>But, I do get encouraged that it seems there are SOME people out there giving it the endorsement. So far, all I've read is 2 reviews that say it's "Okay." or "Pretty Good."<p>Anywhoo, here's hoping!

  • May 8, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I think it looks pretty good actually.

    by Sal_Bando

    I'll look forwards to seeing it. I don't think they NEED anymore Terminator movies frankly, but okay, if they're gonna make'em--well let's see them make'em at least half-decently. I'm willing to give McG here the benny of a doubt.<p> Plus it has giant Robots in it. I'm there.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Don't buy it

    by Aftermath1349

    I'm sure this is real but I can't take anything he said seriously after he claimed the effects looked incredible. Anyone who has seen the trailers know that he CGI is sub par at best and thats being generous.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Most agree

    by donkey_lasher

    that Terminator was the best followed by T2 and T3. It's just that I felt that the sequels were too soft and sugar coated. That's part of the reason I feel the first sequel was overrated. The third film was enjoyable but should have been played differently. The writers seemed to have too much love for the previous film. If T3 had never been made and TS was the true sequel then we'd all be more stoked about it. It's such a shame that most good franchises get softened for the younger generations. Shit, I saw the original when I was 10 years old and it scared the shit out of me. <p> While T3 was the weakest though I'll admit the ending was pretty damn cool.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Wait, wait, wait...NOW!!!!!

    by Blancoshadow

    Avatar will fuck your eyeballs!!!!!!!!!!!! it had to be said...

  • May 8, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST

    We are being set up...

    by donkey_lasher

    ...for one hell of a disappointment with Avatar :) Unless you guys are joking that is. I hope so. I like my eyeballs.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Viewer3

    by Six Demon Bag

    whoa whoa whoa i didnt mean im on fence about waiting for the unrated directors cut. im just feeling really apathetic about this in general. i do agree that generally directors cuts add nothing to the film (Cameron and Scott excepted). My apathy for this film is based in the fact that i think Cameron said all that needed to be said. i'll wait for the reviews to start popping out before jumping down off the fence. which side--whos to say?

  • May 8, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    PG13 Terminator?!!??

    by Stalkeye

    What's next a G Rated Halloween? WTF

  • May 8, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    4 min preview is SICK!

    by BLEST

    http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/exclusive/large.html<P> I don't want my hopes up too much, but all footage looks great!

  • May 8, 2009, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I agree with the negative T2 sentiments

    by misnomer

    ...loved the film up until my teens0 and then realise that the first movie is borderline arthouse compared to its sequels. Deeply disturbing, deeply thematic, brutal and well crafted. Great performances from Biehn, Hamilton and Henriksen. Plus - Arnold has never been more suited to a role. He made a great great villian. T2 on the other hand is white wash. The first hour is a chore. The good robot/father robot idea raises interesting themes but jars with the rest of the film and feels very disconnected from the universe of the first one. Before people complain about what T3 did to T2, they ought to stop and think about what T2 ignores from its predecessor. I seem to remember that only living tissue could be sent back in time - hence the main reason skynet bothered putting skin on its T-800s. Its never explained how the T-1000 is able to be sent through time. What Cameron did with T2 was exactly what he did when making Aliens as a sequel. Expand the universe of the first, give it broader appeal but cut the balls off. I like T3 more - it's not technically a better film than T2 due to its mis-guided direction but there are some great, great story points. Just a shame that for every great idea a terrible one made it through. In the early stages they were talking about the enemy terminator/T-X being made of pure energy -now THATS the sort of ballsy interesting ideas that T2 really lacked aside from its great villain.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    by misnomer

    ..plus T2s story felt pretty convoluted - something that by Act 2, T3 had gotten over its sequelitis. I'm excited for T:S over any Terminator sequel as I think it has better reasons to exist - show us the war - show John Connor meet his destiny, show us what the time travelling in the previous films did to change things.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:22 p.m. CST

    guess the previous review wasn't fake

    by zooch

    this review was very similar...so apologize people calling fake!

  • May 8, 2009, 8:36 p.m. CST

    "this was not a movie made for adults"

    by one_guy_from_andromeda

    ...aaaaaaaand i stopped being interested in the movie. I know what you mean, and it means: i will not enjoy this.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:48 p.m. CST

    EXACTLY as I predicted...

    by TurdontheRun

    A forgettable summer action movie, glossy shite for the ADD twitter generation. This movie has NOTHING on Cameron and T2, I know it, you all know it, McG knows it, Cameron knows it, and even the haters, deep down in their heart of hearts, know it. All these T2 criticisms are utterly retarded - as per usual. T2 was a great movie because it gave us something different from the original - all this crap about T2 being 'sugar-coated' and Arnie being neutered is juvenile pap. To go from giving us one of the greatest villains in cinema history, and then spinning that on its head and turning him into one of the greatest heroes in cinema history was a master-stroke of utter genius - not to mention the utter subversive brilliance of having a terminator movie, where the 'terminator' doesn't actually 'terminate' anyone, and have that not seem amiss or disappointing. Thus, you get two diametrically opposed movies each exploring a very different idea. THAT's why Cameron is a visionary, and why McG is nothing more than a toy salesman. <p>Now, watch Avatar surpass all expectations this December and re-invent cinema - we will all have forgotten Terminator Castration 5 minutes after we leave the theatre!

  • May 8, 2009, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Of course Lord Bale's performance was off...

    by vettebro

    The prick was playing with the lights during his scenes. It's fucking DISTRACTING!!!! He trashed Bale's scenes! What don't you fucking understand???

  • May 8, 2009, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Sounds like shit....

    by TheWaqman

    Suck it you twats. This movie looks pretty average. McG isn't capable of making anything that entertaining, average will be his career peak. And the ending sounds like shit. I don't know if I'll catch this in theatres or not. I might just rent it instead. Star Trek was fucking sweet.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    I'm feeling very apathetic over this movie....

    by TheWaqman

    and I hate to say it, but wait til Avatar for your blockbuster fix. Or watch Star Trek again, that movie was enjoyable. You guys can doubt Avatar all you want, since tb'ers like to bash everything here. But I'm fairly sure it will at least be much better than this film.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Avatar stars michelle rodriquez

    by Broseph

    Gee i wonder what role she'll play a tough street wise smart ass chick?

  • May 8, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Blest

    by LabattsBleu

    oh, well I have some degree of hope for T:S...the trailers look good to be honest. T3 seemed derivative and unnecessary - the last 2-3 minutes were good, but the rest was forgettable ....yeah, Arnold was "robo-daddy" in T2, but you had Patrick as the kick-ass terminator there; it made sense to have a 'protector' sent back so that T2 wasn't derivative of Terminator...T3 just recycled T2 and was thus unnecessary...I don't know how any Terminator fan could forgive the cheesy "Talk to the hand" comment...i mean really? and you hate on robodaddy and forgive that?!?!

  • May 9, 2009, 12:47 a.m. CST

    drturing... exactly...

    by SunTzu77

    That was the ending I was expecting.... Connor with bionic parts. The bmx crap reminded me of xXx.

  • May 9, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    BLEST...ya, its fucking matrix light

    by bacci40

    right down to neo like acting by bale<p> oh look, giant robots, chase scenes, big explosions, bale wondering why his present isnt the future his mom told him about...ITS FOOOKING AMATEUR

  • May 9, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Kyle Reese...

    by SunTzu77

    ...should have been Jamie Bell.

  • May 9, 2009, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Mute Minority Kid

    by SunTzu77

    sounds like a direct rip from Mad Max 2... Star sounds like the Feral Kid... minus a cool boomerang... or rather...minus anything of real coolness. Star runs around and points. Damn, now that's a paying gig.

  • May 9, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    One last note...

    by SunTzu77

    the whole bleach bypass type shit is getting old. Also, the whole feel of the 4 min trailer felt like Resident Evil: Extinction meets Transformers. I think Worthington will really break out in Clash of the Titans...should be cool.

  • May 9, 2009, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Gee, another movie to fuck with the Terminator time line?

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Don't we have enough? FUCKING UNPROFESSIONAL!!

  • May 9, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Sounds about what I was expecting

    by Bruce of all Trades

    Kind of a Die Hard 4 version of a Terminator movie, really... Just a regular summer action movie that doesn't really stand out or live up to the greatness that came before it (T3 not included of course). The initially planned ending (i.e. Connor's skin over a Terminator skeleton) was what convinced me that the people in charge of this movie have absolutely no idea of what they're doing and that they were mainly aiming this to be nothing more of a popcorn movie. Shame.

  • May 9, 2009, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Hysterical

    by Slaphappy Slim

    How T2 is some sort of unassailable sacred cow for a good deal of you. Just label anyone who doesn't think of it as a masterpiece as a troll, eh? Fucking typical.

  • May 9, 2009, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Bruce of all trades

    by DI0XHOLSTER

    You said it pal, a big, dumb summer movie in the same vein as Die Hard 4. Directed by a fucking hack who knows how to point and shoot a camera but has absolutely no intelligence or style of their own.

  • May 9, 2009, 5:01 a.m. CST

    THE ANTI-PLANT

    by HarryBlackPotter

    In mission impossible 3 Simon Pegg warned us about the anti god. This ladies and gentlemen is The Anti plant. A rival studio serf out to destroy the opposition . Ok maybe not in this case but they are out there

  • May 9, 2009, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Bale was off coz they kept messing with his lights

    by Maniaq

    apparently the rest of the cast could handle it ok

  • May 9, 2009, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Might be fake

    by RG1701

    After seeing Star Trek, I realize just how off a so called spy's reports can be. Often they might just be fabricated. So, maybe we should still take this with a grain of salt. Also, whoever said Star Trek is going to dominate at the box office. I doubt Trek will stay at no 1 past a few days. It was a nice ride for a current fan, but it still lacks the appeal for a wide spread audience.

  • May 9, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    T1 owns T2

    by theplant

    People who bash T2 are right, T4 will be the better sequel, just like First Blood fits with Rambo, or Rocky with Rocky Balboa. They cut the T balls off in the sequel, luckily, McG is back, and the killer terminators are back !

  • May 9, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Thumb up in lava in T2 < TS

    by theplant

    Whiny Furlong. Terminator that does not kill. Thumbs up into the Lava. Oh yeah, T2 was monumental in it's day, but today the cheese have taken over. All praise McG for getting the serie back on track !

  • May 10, 2009, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Actually it's aliens pacrone

    by theplant

    If you didn't get yet that T4 is Aliens done in the Terminator world, just in case.

  • May 10, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    The Terminator holds up better than T2...

    by I Hope You Die

    The Terminator only looks "dated" insofar as it's set in 1984. Other than the fashions, there really isn't anything that sets it out as being an "80s movie." Meanwhile T2 is chock full of cliches from its time (late-80s/early-90s). The most obvious is the "terminator is now the good guy" angle. Action stars taking on mainstream-friendly roles was a theme of the time. The kid/terminator buddy theme is a continuation of pretty much every film from the era (esp. the late 80s) where every film aimed at kids involved some kid getting a robot or alien or whatever. They turned The Terminator into ET, Flight of the Navigator, Short Circuit, etc. In short, T2 is driven almost entirely by commercial concerns. Cameron took the world of The Terminator and created something that would appeal to teenagers of the time. The CGI stands out because the CGI effect is the focus of the film. When it stops being impressive as CGI the scenes of the T1000 morphing while dramatic music plays seem a bit overwrought (although it's not as bad as the water thingy in the Abyss). The action sequences are still good though. But if you haven't watched it in awhile you'll probably be surprised at just how much time is taken up by Furlong before the action really starts.

  • May 10, 2009, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Terminator: The Country-Western Musical Bromance

    by GornPirate

    John Connor: There goes my heart Breaking in two There goes my eyes Crying over you My arms don't want For us to part So when you go Here comes the blues There goes my heart You told me once We'd never part That you loved me With all your heart But now these words of love You're going to erase You've found somebody new Who wants to take my place There goes my heart Breaking in two There goes my eyes Crying over you My arms don't want For us to part So when you go Here comes the blues There goes my heart I'm standing on A bridge that's burned It's just a lonely Lesson learned To see you walk away With him hurts me so This fool who loves you Doesn't want to let you go There goes my heart Breaking in two There goes my eyes Crying over you My arms don't want For us to part So when you go Here comes the blues There goes my heart So when you go Here come the blues There goes my heart

  • May 10, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Deleted Scenes

    by DrMorbius

    "Spoilers"? Over at SciFi Wire they have a few TS articles and a partial interview with McG. He said they would put the topless scene (Moon Bloodgood) and something about a screwdriver to the head scene, back in for the DVD! Check it out.