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AICN DEDICATED TALKBACK: STAR TREK Lives!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Merrick here...
Ok, folks...the wait is over. The first new cinematic STAR TREK in seven years hits screens later today.
Did J.J & Company smash the Big E right into Mount Selea? Or, did they boldly go? Did the Bad Robot gang bastardize "our father's STAR TREK"? Or, brazenly, brilliantly re-invent it?
Discuss in the Talkback below. We'll try to keep this Talkback visisble on AICN's main page throughout the weekend, so keep checking in to see what others are saying...and be sure to contribute yourself!
PUNCH IT!
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and prosper
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star trek will rule.
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I'm a doctor, not a speed-typer!
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That was two minutes after the story was posted.
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I think they nailed it!
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That's me tomorrow at midnight.
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...siiiick. radio isn't dead, they're just giving out advance screening tickets in the mean time.
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is the only word to describe it.
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I wish he would pinch me!
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Fishcakes.
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I was firth in line for thar trek and Im thotally going to thee it again thriday. Becauthe thith thar trek is tho freaking awethome!! I love you thpock!! I love you Thulu!!
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Me and my friends loved it. Awesome job J.J.! I'm looking forward to more films!
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Saw it on Wednesday and I felt extremely well entertained.
But to be honest Iron Man and TDK last year were even more entertaining and geek porn at its best.
My problem with Star Trek is that no real Star Trek feeling comes up (I consider myself a Trekkie).
I'm going to see the film more often and my attitude might change but right now I just quickly want to throw in some things that are sticking in my mind:
* Pine is no Shatner! I was willing to give the new faces a chance and I really liked all the other characters. But Pine remains pale in comparison to the Shatman. That does not mean he acts badly. There's just something missing.
* Special effects are a mixed bag.
The overall quality is PERFECT. In a time where Hollywood throws the biggest CGI crap at the audience on a regular basis this is a nice change.
BUT there are almost no "money shots". As with the many character close-ups we always get cgi close-ups of ships and battles.
Typical example: The Enterprise is emerging from the rings of Saturn. While a short close-up might have been a cool effect we only get this close-up. We don't get to see a wide shot of Saturn at all and that's too bad.
During action scenes this techniqe is certainly suppposed to emerge you more into the action. But for me it often was confusing.
* There is a monster scene that could have been right out of Episode I. Totally unnecessary!! Watch it and you'll know what I mean.
* Just like Enterprise the TV show this film can not let Vulcans live in peace with their nature. I don't get the urge to make Vulcans more and more human.
Sure, Spock is half human and the TV show messed with all Vulcan.
But Spock having a love affair and showing emotions and rage and violence (without the aid of an alien spore) is leaving me baffled and a bit angry.
There are many more things to rant about but I'm in a hurry.
Go see it.
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The movie had a few problems, but I enjoyed it none the less and will probably see it again.
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continues to nitpick Star Trek for its logical lapses, but never questions the same duh moments in Star Wars (He never questioned the fact that a beam of light from a lightsaber only extends a meter or so, instead of, you know, acting like a real energy beam that extends and dissipates in the distance...)
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I got lucky and don't have to wait til midnight, I don't know if it's because the theater is being cool since its finals week here or what, but 7 pm I'm in. Anyone else get it early tomorrow?
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CAN NOT WAIT! Will give my worthless 2cents when all this nerdy excitment is over ;).
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But judging by his wrinkles....Hes waiten on Jesus...
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Saw it, liked it overall, think it's a great way to reboot the franchise, not the masterpiece many r making it out to be, but good, main problem for me is that Eric Bana's character is pretty sorry, its not him, he is great, its the character, he is not that great a villain....
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Can we talk instead about how this site has been bastardised by the marketing men who've realised that they get wall to wall exposure on here if they flatter Harry Knowles with special screenings, merchandise and set visits. There's no hope of impartial coverage here any more. It really makes me cringe.
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I mean seriously. Everyone involved with it should hold their head up high. By the time Spock and Urhra where making out on the transporter pad, I should've have been pissed off with the changes in Trek history BUT I totally brought it by then. All the actors should take a bow. By the end they had become the charactors we've loved for 40 years but hugely respected the original guys that played them. Major respect to Urban for nailing with a fucking huge nail gun Bones and Pegg owned the screen when he was on. However the best was Chris Pine. By the time he threw the guy the keys to his bike I'd completly accepted him as Kirk. The way all involved managed to distill all we'd loved, rebottle it and pour it back out to us like vintage wine was a creative marvel. Off all the recent reboots/reenvisionings, what ever you want call them, Trek was the hardest one to pull off. And J.J. Abrahms twatted it out of the park. I'm proud to like Trek again. Well done to you all.
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with fan-provided links to all sorts of trek goodness.....
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the movie might actually be GOOD, you know. it's at like 99% on RottenTomatoes and hasn't had one legitimately bad review.but I'm sure you're right. AICN has just sold out and is giving it a free pass (rolls eyes) even though it sucks.face it, a site calling a big geek movie good doesn't mean they've sold out. it means it's probably pretty good.
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May 07, 2009 1:20:40 AM CDT
I guess there are SOME nerds that are NOT happy with it...
by badmrwonka
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I hope my future self likes it.
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OK, I kinda liked it. I think it was well made and I would recommend it to non-fans. But, hey I'm 39, I saw Star Trek:The Motion Picture" at the movies in the late 70's, have been to the odd con or two, have met Walter Koenig and used to go to my local cinema to see Star Trek marathons on the big screen. Maybe I'm too cynical now, but this just felt too calculated, shiny and contrived. Spock's appearance in the middle of bloody nowhere and his line from Star Trek 2 as he meets young Kirk, was just blech. Uhura and Spock, was there just to try and shock us. Scotty suddenly put in charge of engineering in 5 minutes? I didn't like the way the ships travelled at warp speed. They just suddenly appeared in the middle of their destination (as I guess they would) didn't grab me visually, and the music well I can't remember it at all now. The time travel device was a cheat as Shatner always said, the coming together of the crew seemed ridiculously convenient, etc etc. Still, I did like the acting. McCoy, Pine and Quinto were adequate. Chekov was fun, Bana's Romulan was evil enough, and Bruce Greenwood as always was great. The ending felt schmaltzy and Nimoys voice over has been done before. Like I say I kinda liked it, but it didn't surprise me and didn't really grab my heart. Basically just what I expected.
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Phew..., was getting worried that a dozen or so TB's for Star Trek wasn't enough for us to make our comments.
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Brilliant! JJ certainly did bring his A game to this one. Hope future installments can keep the momentum going. Great Fun. Want the Blu Ray release now please.
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Anyone else notice this? Or is it just me?
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I am hanging between 'watch it in a language i hardly understand and with some time travel stuff going on i might not get it' or 'wait for a crappy cam pirate version' ... i want to give JJ my money .. but I want the original voices .. whaaa
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and it completely and utterly pwns the fuck out of new jack Battlestar Galactica. But better than ANH? You're out of your motherfucking mind, son.
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my mind! Seriously excellent work all round. Was in tears after the first 10 mins (you know the bit).
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May 07, 2009 1:44:31 AM CDT
Hasnt every TB on this site been about Trek??
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
Courtesy of Harry Knowles and Aint It Cool JJ Abram News.
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May 07, 2009 1:52:38 AM CDT
lol, I knew it wouldn't be a day before that doofus showed up
by badmrwonka
Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer finally you're here!there hasn't been enough completely non-sensical and useless whining! can you post them same whiny shit 4 or 5 more times to fill the void?
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You also have to remember that this is also the start of what is going to be a huge movie making career for JJ Abrams. MI3 was a great start, and his TV track record is proven (haters, suck it.) Sky is the limit for JJ and his team, though. A proper Cloverfield sequel, perhaps?
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Trek will be the surprise gem of not only the summer, the entire year. Everyone and I mean everyone from fan to give a shit less was ready to rag on this fucking movie.
America loves an underdog that sneaks up from behind and bitches you.
The whole thing has a "A new Hope" vibe about it is what is meant and people are saying. A feel good movie. But of course you will have the qualifiers like this anhedonic cocksucker up here talking about: "Yes I was very very entertained BUT."
For some ADD drug zombified fucks that hang out on site, experiencing the human concept of JOY or cracking a smile is more alien than ANYTHING Lucas or Abrams could put in a film. These types can go fuck themselves, this film is the hit of the whole year and you God damn people know it. -
is that I didn't have to fucking think. After the first few minutes of obligatory "character development", I didn't have to spark up a single brain cell. My friends and I all walked out of the theater saying "that was awesome!" and never really had to speak about it again. Abrams has studied his Michael Bay. String together some awesome action set pieces, sprinkle in the humor, and give everyone an ending they can clap for and not have to fucking think about. This and Transformers have set the bar for what sci-fi can be. Gene Roddenberry would never have produced this, thank god its out of his hands.
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May 07, 2009 2:06:51 AM CDT
I guess "dedicated talkback" means that you won't publish...
by derlanghaarige
...any more reviews, right? Well, here is the one I wrote last night, after watching the preview:
Y'know, there is one side of me, that not many people here know. I'm a Trekkie. Even one of them who owns a uniform, quotes lines from episodes and visits conventions, so of course I was to the same amounts excited and scared of this, since it has been announced. The movie got lots of geek love over the last few weeks and I gotta admit that this scared me a lot! I've been burned by geek love several times before. Remember when REVENGE OF THE SITH came out and everybody was praising it as a great movie and the Star Wars that they were waiting for, since the prequels were announced? Well, it turned out that it was pretty lame. Or 300, which was praised by the geeks as an innovative balls to the wall action masterpiece, but then was maybe the worst and most annoying movie I've seen since DIE HÄUPTER MEINER LIEBEN! CASINO ROYALE was despite what the geeks said just the same old Malibu Stacy, but with a brand new hat and THE DARK KNIGHT, which is still giving the geeks a boner, turned out to be...well, it was okay, but far, far, far, far, far away from the flawless re-invention of cinema that people told me it is.
But let's talk about STAR TREK. (I know, since this review is for AICN, I should add some more paragraphs. Maybe about what I did today, the stuff I had for breakfast, how much I love my girlfriend, miss my cat, my upcoming court hearing, blablabla, but I think we should cut right to the chase now.) Is it the shit or just shit?
I'm proud to announce that it was really good. You probably noticed that I didn't shout something like „OMG this movie fucking ROCKED“. This is just because it didn't blew my mind and has some minor, but still present flaws.
There is not one boring minute in this movie. From the first second on, the movie takes you on a very enjoyable ride and never makes you wait for the action to start again. Of course that doesn't mean that there is only action. There is plenty of it, but it doesn't dominate the movie. But even in the character moments, I never got bored or felt the urge to slap my hand on my forehead. The script is very solid. Not more, but not less. And this is not an apology, this is a sign of quality. Remember that it was written by the guys who gave us TRANSFORMERS and that script was pretty much the opposite of a solid script! They did a much better work with STAR TREK. When the story came together and all of the characters found their places, it never made me think: "Wait...hang on, what the fuck was that?" Okay, there was one moment that made me afterwards think: „Was that necessary?“ Kirk gets chased by a few monsters on an ice planet. It felt a little bit tacked on and if this scene would have ended up as deleted scene on the DVD, nobody would miss it. But at least it was a very exciting action scene with some cool designed creatures. So while it was not really necessary (I'm sure they could have come up with a better way to bring Kirk from point A to point B), it was at least entertaining. As a nice bonus is that the script is also full of insider jokes for Trekkies, but they never yell them in your face. They don't pause and look at the camera to make sure that you get it. They are just there as nice touches for the fans. But my favourite part of the script is how seriously every character gets a moment to shine! We know these characters since our childhood, but here we get the introduction to them, that we never had. (Okay, technically they are not the same characters, but I hope you get what I mean.) None of them was there, just because they were in the series and had to be there. Of course the movie focusses on Kirk and Spock, but nobody was degraded to an extra, like it happened from time to time in the movies.
Many people have already talked about the actors and I say I really liked most of them. Some of them made their roles more recognizable than others. In the second Karl Urban or Simon Pegg appear on screen you can jump out of your seat, point at the screen and yell: „That's McCoy/Scotty!“ Others not so much. Apart from the accent, Chekov has nothing in common with Walter Koenig, as far as I can tell. But I accepted him as „new“ Chekov, because he filled his role with life. And that's what all of them did: They filled their characters with life! Y'know, it's easy to impersonate someone. We see actors doing this every week on SNL. But it's difficult to convince the audience that you are watching a character and not an actor who looks or moves like someone else. I already mentioned Karl Urban. He is great as Dr McCoy and not as „DeForest Kelley as Dr McCoy“. You are not watching a starship crew full of Jamie Foxx's soulless Ray Charles impersonation. The cast is seriously bringing the same characters to life in the same way the original actors did. I just have trouble with one of them. And he is unfortunately da captain. Yes, I don't really like Chris Pine as Kirk. William Shatner gave Kirk this aura of a guy who you would really like to hang out with. He could have fucked your mother and you would just say: „Yeah, y'know, I'm not okay with that, but let's have a beer while we discuss it.“ He just lacks the charisma of Shatner. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Pine, but even when we learned that his Kirk is a cool and loyal guy, the Kirk we know, the Kirk we wanted to be as a kid – he still comes across as a pretty arrogant prick. Just my opinion. It's not the way he was written, it's the way he plays it.
You have maybe already heard that Winona Rider has a cameo as Spock's mother. She has not much to do, but she disappears into the role. I'm not talking about Oscars here, but I didn't look at her and thought: „Hey, it's Lydia!“ Although I got seriously no idea why they cast her and put some (pretty good) old woman make up on her face, instead of just casting an older actress. But whatever. Eric Bana as Nero is cool, but he has not much to do. We never find out what Nero's full name is, but I'm sure it's Nero McGuffin. He is a plot device. An angry and threatening plot device, but I wish he would have more to do. Maybe it would be easier to live with that, if they had cast an unknown actor for this, because a famous name makes roles like this always look more important than they are. But hey, better they cast a good famous actor as villain than a bad unknown, right?
Let's talk about the director! We all know that J.J. Abrams can direct some damn good television. I'm sure that even the people who claim to hate him, agree that the LOST pilot is some great stuff. I won't mention M:I 3 here, because while I remember that I liked it, it's been a while since I saw it, so I can't compare it to STAR TREK right now. And here he unfortunately shows some very distracting habits. It's positive that he reduces the for any reason still popular (among filmmakers) shaky cam to a minimum. It's still there, it's annoying when the camera can't stand still during a dialogue scene, but it is only in a few scenes and doesn't look nearly as amateurish and distracting as in, let's say BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. It is shaking during the action scenes, even during the starship battles, but we are not talking BOURNE levels. You still see what's going on and it doesn't look like a video installation, with wishy washy colours and fight noises in the background. But unfortunately he came up with something new to annoy modern audiences and I hope it won't catch on. The movie looks very...shiny. There are always some lights shining in the camera. The whole movie is full of lens flares and sometimes that is even all you see on screen! A fucking huge lens flare! Yes, it gives the movie a very unique look, but I can live without it.
But what I liked the most about the movie was that it's great fun! I'm so sick of dark and brooding SciFi & Fantasy! You can't believe how happy I am that we finally got a movie that NOT tries to shove 9/11 up our throats again and again. The movie deals with genocide, but is pure escapism! With some honest laughs! No Robots that piss on Barton Fink. Just some in-character fun that doesn't feel out of place.
After the movie I had of course a discussion with my buddy, who is an even more die hard Trekkie than I am. He is one of these guys who build models of the starships and knows how a warpcore works. He had some issues with the look of that ship, but I for myself can get over it. And it was not enough to make him hate this movie. He liked it. He had more problems with getting used to the „new“ crew than me, but he liked it.
I seriously recommend the new STAR TREK. It is not the mind blowing experience that the hyperbole suggests, but it doesn't suck, has a solid script, well casted actors (99%), breathtaking space battles and is some good old fashioned fun! -
Kinda sad really.
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I know there's alot of elitist self-aggrandizing little pricks on this site that like to keep high brow intellectual conceits to themselves to arbitrarily delude themselves into being "apart" from the mainstream, but whine and cry all you like cerebral entertainment does not typically translate into box office dollars and first and foremost a studio wants CASH. Trek for too many years has been a niche martet appealing ONLY to the fan generalization, and in the process not making enough cash to even continue the self-masterbating intellectual wank-fest. If it's Isaac Asimov or Harlan Ellinson you want go buy the fucking book.
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Why are people still sky diving & parachuting?
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wouldn't you fucking leave him there?
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Is Kirk's command chair a futuristic shitter?
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Some people aren't happy unless they are miserable - and misery sure as shit loves company. As a Sociologist I find it....well,to qoute a character from the MOVIE OF THE YEAR, fascinating.
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Chehov is from this univeres mirror universe. He's a big butch German woman with a beard.
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Can't ya create a dedicated talkback for all the jaded cynical fucks to cry in because their precious Wolverine and Watchmen sucked big fat blue cocks? Face it kids, the era of Anti-heroes is over. THANKFULLY. Fuck all that jaded pessimistic nihilistic shit.
Enter the age of bonafied fucking heroes and champions again. Larger than life characters that ASPIRE towards something grand and noble rather than hide behind a cowl or walk the grey area ethical code and morals. This fucking society NEEDS this kind of black and white good versus evil shit to right it's moral compass. Some cocksuckers like to go the theater and be REMINDED how shitty their life is and have it reinforced, whereas film is supposed to be escapism. What's not to like? You have a band of positive, educated, professional and diverse people come together for a common purpose and bond to fight a common enemy- and ta daa, these fucking people aren't morally bankrupt but rather surprise, heroes all. Imagine that in this era.
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"Too late" -Igor
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This is utter bullshit, to read how over the TOP all of you are for this film. Sorry, guys, I call your bullshit. I don't think JJ Trek will be THE movie of the summer like Iron Man last year. It will be here and gone as fast. Transformers 2 will be the movie of the summer! Oh and PIXAR's UP will make more moner than JJ Trek! So Fuck OFF with the fantasy parade of praise for film that hasn't COME OUT YET!
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But at least Wolverine didn't have banana's coming outta his hands in his universe.
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"There are times when the command deck looks like Bring Your Child to School Day, with the kid sitting in daddy’s chair."
That about sums it up.
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It's an attempt to make more money at it's finest, is what it's all about.
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You're right Dick Nose, he had a pedestriant script and direction, followed by a critical backlash in his univ...oh wait. Make that our universe.
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a fun ride - but in the end just space opera - light on science heavy on fiction - more so than the original series - this is like the last few treks but with a younger more attractive cast, better fx and less dedication to the fanbase - as i slam it i must admit i still want to see the broo haha in imax
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your "heroes and champions" spiel made you sound like a douche and a plant
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Can I suggest that the Enterprise be sucked into a black hole and end up in the Old West Earth?
The Enterprise has problems with it's warp engines and have to land on Earth. Scotty then has to make a Warp Core powered from Steam. -
hooray for not having to think while watching a movie - you prove a theory - this movie was made for people that hate star trek and have short attention spans
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It's because types like you CLEARLY were the intended audience for my spiel. Tell me, does your brow furrow when you smile? I would guess not. As far as a plant, I plant my proverbial foot up your syncophantic ass. What's a matter fellow? Bitchy cuz Wolverine and Watchmen sucked and didnt make a splash?
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this is all of you guys, WORD FOR WORD...
http://tinyurl.com/coxd2s I thought this was funny, but now seeing all of you ding-dongs, it's so spot on, it's almost scary...trust me, watch it and tell me it doesn't categorize the 10 or so people on here that are still whining about this movie. -
It would fit in kind of nicely.
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It really, really, really matters to some people if we know exactly that Kirk's command chair can turn into an emergency toilet.
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..tonight when this TB has really hits its stride and posting my viewsBecause I will have seen it.On IMAXIn LondonFor I have tickets
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Is the bitches talking about "It's not intelligent science fiction", yet probably masterbate to the "physics" of Event Horizon or Solaris, or better yet, Star Wars.
No no wait, I get it - "The Abyss" represents true physics. Fuck the Abyss, what about The Core.
I laugh and blow a fart in thy general direction.
You God damn people can't name ONE "intelligent" science fiction film. I Robot? Disneys The Black Hole? Hah hah hah hah. -
That scene where the little dog pissing on Iron Hide. And then Bumblebee pissing over that guy, was pure fucking intelligence.
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As real as anything you see.
I see a world where people are bright enough and have enough taste to see DAWSON'S TREK and say "whatever, next." -
Fret not, for your movie of choice, "GI JOE" is still looming on the horizon of indifference.
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CHRISTIAN BALE announced for untitled professional followup to 2009 movie of the year Star Trek. In simultaneous related news 17 asshats on Aint it Cool news unzipped and started jerking to a youtube video of the professional audio sessions featuring Bale.
Commenting on the untiled Trek sequel Bale stated "I've always wanted to do professional science fiction. You know, intelligent science fiction not the fluff put out for the mouth-breathers. I'll be playing a professional character called J'Jd'ick'nose that is intelligent well, since it's professional science fiction."
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So, DAWSON'S TREK is officially gay. Not in the contemporary "it just sucks" way, but in the "80's MTV scares Republicans shitless" way.
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Saw it today in Sydney IMAX.The cast are absolutely the stars in every sense here, each bringing some gravitas and credibility to characters we feel we all know so well.I was struggling with the ridiculous OTT russian accent of Chekov. Uhura is also a bit 'lashes in boots' but then that WAS the original character mostly.
The relationship with Spock thing felt a bit thrown in..the script has a couple of clunks in it (my wife even suggested some of the opening reminded her of Starship Troopers...) We shouldnt be surprised a bit of JJ's young bright thing fetish creeps in a little..but he does a terrific job overall.
Some of the FX looked incredible, some slightly dodgy..the outpost particularly was weak..JJ also cannot design a monster to save his life..there's a problem with him and monsters it seems.
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Art is supposed to be escapism? Are you completely ignorant of Shakespeare, Flaubert, etc. or in your dumbed down film world, Scorsese, Polanski, etc. Have you never heard of catharsis through art? You make me sick.
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brilliant in the action sequences..the new theme frankly feels a little weak, underscored even more by hearing the original one at the end. It feels emotionally pitched correctly..but lacks that 'wandering..where man has..etc' feeling
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Burn and rot in the deepest bowels of hell you ignorant twat. What did you attend a summer school film class and suddenly you're an artist informed on all things pertaining to art? You pedantic little prick you wouldn't know high art if it slapped you in the face with it's cock. Go masterbate to Watchmen and blue penises you insignificant fuck.
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A few were obviously delighted, i overhead one person say it was '3 out of 5', and even though i enjoyed it immensely there is something gnawing about it not QUITE being the Star Trek that's been talked up...I just think we need some balance..It's an xlnt effort..but the story feels a little perfunctory..particularly the end
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If I have to pull this car over, you're both gonna get it!
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a Film CRITIC, or art CRITIC ...is a FAILURE in their pursuit of passion. A film MAKER, or PAINTER, is too God damn busy doing so and making money to "Critique'."
Thus endeth the lesson.
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Go fuck yourself to Independence Day and rub one out to a Norman Rockwell painting, you paint-by-the-numbers feelgood fuck...If you need your "art" to have a moral then Transformez 2 is on the way...You're clearly too stupid to have your movies do anything but hold your hand and tell you "everything's gonna be ok li'l guy."
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who was it on this site that said not to worry, that Shatner would be in it?
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You speak only in cliches. I suspect you are more of a HOME MAKER than film MAKER and you just made a fucking critique, you dumbass allcaps bitch.
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Led Zeppelin could tour with Jesus Christ on drums, and the hype would not compare to the blah-blah-blah over this movie.
It's as if Heath Ledger resurrected wearing Spock ears.Even if it were really, really good - say, IRON MAN-level good (which it isn't - it's only TERMINATOR 3-level) - it still couldn't support the brouhaha. -
but hey..it was still very entertaining..this cast deserves a chance to work with some better scripts and stories..
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Why don't you go pout about your personal failings elsewhere and leave film discussion to film lovers you smarmy roach faced piece of shit. Don't worry cocksucker Wolverine will be on DVD pretty soon. "Catharsis through film." Fuck you whore. It's uninformed elitist pieces of shit like you that sap the joy from the art of film. I bet you sap the energy right out of a room cocksucker. Negative nihilistic little pony girl go watch your metrosexual Goth Tim Burton films fucker.
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Love it! simply love it! got fun, simply fun! feel like a kid who saw a rocket starting for the first time! Was never a Trek Fan, now I m
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mutzel1973 sounds like something of an idiot?
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You stupid ungrateful prick. You're lucky I'm even condescending to speak with you. Do you think I give a fuck about Wolverine or Star trek? You clearly don't know what "nihilistic" means, as the Watchmen is in noway nihilistic. It sucks alright, but it is not nihilistic. Go drive your fucking F series truck to My Little Pony Land and poop jack as much as you'd like to Forrest Gump you frozen-log-of-shit space docked out fuck.
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..actually hurt their films, particularly if they're actually pretty good. Harry is a publicist..
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this might be leading to something that feels completely true to the original Star Trek..
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Is proud of his little Locust that is a professional informed art critic. Mommy is pleased and happy and shaves Locusts cheetoh encrusted third chin for Locust.
Hey you shit stain, you 15 year old cunt, you get on a message forum and hide behind a handle and talk about condescending? You little fuck I bet you like Kevin Smith films and consider it "smart humor" dont you? I put it all out there bitch theres my name right there, go hide behind your cowel. Or CGI claws. You God damned turd you probably can't name 10 films on the AFI list or 5 films in the national archives. Don't be presumptuous enough you little jism squirt to think just because your Mom bought you a computer yesterday and you have sudden access to the world wide web it gives you a modicum of fucking authority on anything. Now go be a good little cunt and watch Twilight you fucking whore. -
I said it before when people were complaining about "90210 Trek" that this film was going to save Trek and be EXACTLY what was needed to return Star Trek to public awareness and what you know??? I hate to say I Told you so.....
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..is it kinda surpasses some of Star Wars..certainly the last few films (doubt anyone will contest that)...but it's easily packed with as much fun as the others.
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it's not actually completely free of 90210-ism's...but he certainly manages to restrain himself.
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Wow. You really know your shit. You've heard about the AFI list. You're a thoughtless, fuckless wonder. I would never call myself a critic and in fact I think film is a garbage medium. I do get a kick out you regurgitating the most insipid, spoon-fed crap. The AFI list. Wow. Go to bed li'l dog.
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You've unquestioningly accepted someone else's canon. I'd give you a medal but we're all out.
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I've seen SITA SINGS THE BLUES, CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS, SLAUGHTERHOUSE-FIVE, REAR WINDOW, STAR TREK, BRAND UPON THE BRAIN and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE. From that list, you can tell:
1. joshuavance will think I'm a condescending momma's boy
2. I am currently unemployed due to American corporate bottom-lining
3. STAR TREK is not the worst movie I've seen this week, but it is near the bottom of the list
4. I have already spent more time thinking about it and discussing it than it is worth
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Was Treks attempt at a more 2001 Kubrick inspired cerebral Trek, it was commercially and critically panned. I personally liked it but it didn't translate into dollar signs.
Alot of people such as turds like Locust forget the history of Trek, the camp, the action emphasis, the humor, et al. Trek episodes to be certain were morality plays, but the moral lessons were cushioned in the language of the time. Someone can "infer" something from anything. I can infer for example Locust is a little penis yet, three people are so quick to dismiss the spectacle of the new Trek without even attempting to ask what is the morality tale being conveyed? How is that for a thought exercise idiots? The three of you clamouring for "intelligent science fiction", do you need everything spelled out intelligently to you? Use your brain and try to determine the theme of the film yourself. Is it the futility of revenge? Is it nature abhorres a vacuum and despite any attempt to disrupt the flow of fate, the universe will make every effort to right itself?
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Was Treks attempt at a more 2001 Kubrick inspired cerebral Trek, it was commercially and critically panned. I personally liked it but it didn't translate into dollar signs.
Alot of people such as turds like Locust forget the history of Trek, the camp, the action emphasis, the humor, et al. Trek episodes to be certain were morality plays, but the moral lessons were cushioned in the language of the time. Someone can "infer" something from anything. I can infer for example Locust is a little penis yet, three people are so quick to dismiss the spectacle of the new Trek without even attempting to ask what is the morality tale being conveyed? How is that for a thought exercise idiots? The three of you clamouring for "intelligent science fiction", do you need everything spelled out intelligently to you? Use your brain and try to determine the theme of the film yourself. Is it the futility of revenge? Is it nature abhorres a vacuum and despite any attempt to disrupt the flow of fate, the universe will make every effort to right itself?
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ie, a bloody good reboot.
The questions is, can J.J. et al pull off a Dark Knight for the second movie?
What I mean is, BB really set up in the public mind that Batman was back and it was awesome. ST could do the same. It may not make $1Bn, but when the sequel rolls around a LOT more people will be ready and waiting.
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I get it from half-baked philosophers and priests.
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and yet you are on a website that celebrates and discusses film? You are worse than a cocksucker then apparently. You are simply worthy of compassion and pity.
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mention of Nolan's self-conscious Bat-twaddle?
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Snicker.
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Snicker.
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Which makes it twice as funny.
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that little mr vance with his dog shit for hair was combing his My Little Pony toy while conveying his lunch tray across the room and all his silly bullshit and all his Norman Rockwells and all his Spiderman friends and all his "inferences" and all the Morality Tales...
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You're just babbling, dude.
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I haven' seen the film yet but once I do I will most assuredly form your opinion for you. Original thoughts are hard to come by these days clearly.
My guess would be the human aspiration of valor, integrity and working together with people of varying backgrounds and belief systems. Not only working together, but thriving. I would say positivism and inherent goodness of humanity, and probably the futility as I said earlier of revenge motivation. Then you get some quantum theory in there with infinite parallel universes and whether all things being equal, nature will tend towards some manifest destiny outcome. Regardless of circumstances, is Kirk simply destined to be Captain, in whatever universe? Is that group and crew simply destined to be together and have their adventures? -
Clever fella.
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to find a cure for his acne, give up being a rebel for the greater good, and have sex with a real-live girl!
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You seem like the kind of bottomed out twat that would like both Rush the man and Rush the band, the two greatest evils of our time or any time.
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otherwise you would realise how wrong you are
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Or Billy Joel?
Or Bon Jovi?
Or John Mayer, for fuck's sake?
Not to mention Sean Hannity, as long as we're mixing pundits and rockers.
Come to think of it, one would have a long list of names to trudge through on Entertainment Weekly's Greatest Evils of Our Times before coming to Rush (the band).
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which was pretty tedious and contained some weak performances - and annoyingly instructive music....Dark Knight fixed all that..but this Star Trek is infinitely more convincing than Batman Begins
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But, also irrelevant. I was using "EVER" in the contemporary fan-boy way. You know, like shouting "STAR TREK is the greatest movie EVER" when you've only seen it "300" and SPIDER-MAN 3.
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Did someone say that about you recently and you took it heart cunt?
If you are referring to Rush Limbaugh, I despise everything the man represents fucker,and yet I wouldn't even force him to look at your shit breath face, I'm a democrat, and YET, my Mom taught me right from wrong and words such as valor, integrity, character, honor, loyalty, all the things the crew of the Enterprise represent yet are alien to your Generation Y fucking lazy self. Those words are foreign in meaning and spirit to your cynical, jaded, bitter fucking self. You like to be reminded how shitty your life is with "catharsis" and dread. I bet you part your bangs to the side and hang them over one eye dont you, you mascara wearing piece of dark soul-less dogshit. -
Not sure if anything sucks worse than the rapping in "Roll the Bones." Shantigold kicks all their fucking asses. Sean Hannity and John Mayer would make a sick combination ("but wait he plays the blues good and dates stars and sings about dog shit")
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not bufoonish
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are bound never to be used in the same sentence again.
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ok it was the dress, but tell me you didnt notice!
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He sees "art" as something that must instruct him and teach him. He is at about a medieval level of sophistication. The idea of the artist as indifferent creator or the merit of contemplation of the world as it is are centuries ahead of him. I think this has something to do with the movie's time travel shit.
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See, locust caught it from joshuavance who now is suffering a recurrence, and I caught it from being too close to the computer screen, and now I'm giving it to quantize
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you're a fuckwit
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You will find this concept in Greek tragedians such as Aeschylus, you ignorant home-schooled fuck. You exude "Ditto"-headedness whether you realize it or not. Now fuck you.
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My only problem is people such as yourself that have accomplished and achieved....nothing...absolutely nothing in life. Yet presume to inform the masses on what constitutes high art. You are a Sophist, in mentality and spirit.
I have MY art hanging in two galleries, hows about you? A pile of unsold scripts? Notes jotted down on a film that will revolutionize the industry? Are you a mover and shaker cunt? Are you going to rock the heavens or sit back and bitch about everyone elses success? See, turds like you resent popularism, because you are weak. feeble. You lack. So naturally, a detractor such as yourself must bring down, rather than build up. You are yesterdays news little sprite. -
because that's where she hid her shoplifted treasures.
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Does no one want to know what I thought of SITA SINGS THE BLUES?
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Of course I've had more success than you, little fuck. You also don't see to realize that I've said nothing "nihilistic" or particularly bleak. You're just home-schooled or something. Wikipedia the shit, ignoramus.
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You're attempting a very 'clever' tribute to a Star Trek style re-imagining..in your alternate universe, your posts seem witty, biting, anarchic and hilarious.
Back here in reality..we see you for the douchebag you really are. Genius!
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You may kindly wrap your car around a tree and burn and rot in hell now mongoloid cocksucker. You are right, you have said nothing at all really. Just alot of pedantic hyperbole. Miserable hyperbole at that.
I love how the internet enables cocksuckers to express themselves in ways they wouldn't dare in person, such as this lowly fag Locust who has clearly never lived. Talk about Projection and cognitive dissonance. I must retire now, you see, I have paintings to sell. -
He's all pissed 'cause I wouldn't give him a reach-around.
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you were busy blowing yourself...
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"I love how the internet enables cocksuckers to express themselves in ways they wouldn't dare in person"
And joshua proves self-awareness is the one thing momma never taught him. -
acknowledges the impressive length of my cock. I wear a very long shirt, little man.
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Finally got you to say some interesting shit. If I really thought film was a "garbage medium" and was a nihilist, I wouldn't have played along. Go sell your paintings and laugh it off.
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and you're gonna tell ME about reality..
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How insightful of you, just remember, it takes a quality to recognize a quality in others.
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Good night.
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Since my post of 8 hrs ago. I've had six hours of sleep since I saw it. It's still great film and I can't wait to see it again in IMAX but I've realized something disturbing about it. Even with the aged make up covering her, I still want to viciously bang the shit out of Winona Ryder. That feels very wrong somehow...
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May 07, 2009 5:15:20 AM CDT
Pretty great, but the shaky cam images sucked as always.
by motoko kusanagi
You couldn't see shit what was going on during the fights. Lame & annoying. The rest of the movie was pretty great. But I really wonder what the fucked happened to steady cam operators...
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Star Trek would maintain its 100% fresh in the tomato meter if only those critics read the comic.
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In fact, it never is okay, but I for myself could still pretty clearly see what's going on. (But I HATED it during the first dialogue between Kirk and Pike.) What really annoyed me was the lens flares.
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Fucking Avatars eyeballs in '09.
All must bow before the might of the underdog Trek, yes even the Bale, it's professional to bow before Trek. Star Trek both assrapes and caresses your genitals simultaneously. Green chicks? Wolverine has no green chicks. 12 inch Kirk penile devices? Watchmen had a rather withered blue penis, nay. Leonard Bones fucking McCoy? Terminator Salvation has no Leonard Bones fucking McCoy. A Tattooed Romulan badass that destroys entire worlds? Transformers 2 has no Tattooed Romulan badasses that destroy entire worlds. Burger King Klingons? G.I. Joe has no Burger King Klingons.
Face it Noobulons, you have been magnificently pwned by a film everyone was waiting to hate on. I love it. To qoute the Kirk - "I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am." -
nobody would give a shit about what anyone of you said.
having said that, i think beastie boys was a wrong choice for the movie scene. should have had NWA's 'fuck tha police". or Britney Spear's "slave for you". that would have been classic. -
I already dont give a shit about what you just said...
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May 07, 2009 5:25:41 AM CDT
I wonder if the use of "Sabotage" was a nod to Futurama.
by derlanghaarige
How many other SciFi Franchises do you know that told us that the Beastie Boys are still popular in the future?
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Josh, up front let me make clear that I'm not trashing you, as I agree with much of your assessment about elitism and anti-heroism and so forth. But why are you so vitriolic in your responses to pretty much everyone in this talkback? Relax, man. Only someone completely anti-social would talk that way in person, so why talk that way in an anonymous forum? There's no reason to call everyone names just because you disagree with them--it just makes YOU look bad, not THEM. Take a breath. You're making good points--why make it impossible for anyone to give them any credence, by acting like a dick to everyone you make those points to?
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Touche!
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...looks dreadful :(
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Sadly, having visited this site since 97' when The Phantom Menace was still in production, if there's one dissapointing revelation I've had about the forums is, one must denigrate themselves and others to have any sort of point taken at face value. That's sad isn't it? Such is the state of affairs among certain demographics in todays society. If you praise a film here, you are a plant. If you have valid points to make or want to further discourse, you are drinking Kool-aid. The reaction to this seeming innocent, well-recieved , POSITIVE film among a very vocal minority is perfect example unfortunately.
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Never cared much for Trek... But this movie blew me away!! And the fact that it's not a prequel as I thought was brilliant!!
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It's the volume, not the favorablity of the coverage that bothers me. I'm sure the movie is great. But you know that when they put their promotional budget together for this movie they set a few grand aside to buy Harry his souvenir model of the Enterprise and put on a wee show for him - not because they like him or respect him in any way, but because it's a relatively cheap way to generate publicity for the movie. And given where this site has come from, to see him misinterpret that as some sort of gesture of respect is a little saddening. He's being exploited by some incredibly cynical people.
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...so I could bring my lightsaber and have a few laughs. Instead I'm going at 8:00 tonight. Oh well.
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I loved this movie, I had a smile on my face the whole time. I have been against a prequel since Day 1. I hated the Star Wars prequels and felt it would be more of the same. But with the success of Batman and James Bond, I still not think this would succeed. It rocks! I pretty much knew the whole movie from spoilers... but was knocked out by the Spock/Uhura connection. I did not know anything about that story, but it is completely possible. His father loved a human, so in this slightly changed timeline... Spock loves a human. I like that they did not reset the changes, older Spock is stuck in this timeline and all of his events did not happen here. And if the events do happen, they might be different. I like that older Spock just doesn't automatically remember what the new timeline Spock is doing or did. I never see movies in the theater twice, if I like it I will wait for Blu-Ray. I cannot wait to see this again over the weekend. Thanks Capone for the freebie, I cannot wait to pay for it.
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I think WRATH OF KHAN and FIRST CONTACT were better overall films, but this flick was way more entertaining than anything STAR TREK has produced since DEEP SPACE NINE ended.
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DeForest Kelley would be proud. I know I was.
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Why do I have to be on a red-eye flight *TONIGHT*?
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deserves to be reamed in the anus by Chancellor Gowron and Gul Dukat until they're completely dead! Burn in Sto'Vo'Kor, JJ and Orci and Kurtzman, you useless pustules! Long live Kira Nerys' dubiously tight-fitting jumpsuit, and Real-Kirk's penchant for bright-purple manly mascara!
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May 07, 2009 8:16:47 AM CDT
it's the best sequel to galaxy quest we could reasonably hope fo
by notspock2
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Working all day then Im flying from Louisville into Oklahoma City at around 8:30 pm for a meeting in the am. i already bought my ticket in OK City I dont care how tired Iam Im going to the bricktown theatre and geek out with everyone else.
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Scotty saying he transported Admiral Archer's pet Beagle?
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Or is JJ Abrams THAT GOOD at mental cock-sucking that Harry STILL hasn't remembered to post news on a genuinely COOL movie that he saw almost a week ago?
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May 07, 2009 8:35:21 AM CDT
Funny how Trek becomes huge when it's got some $$ behind it
by gruntybear
Seriously, why couldn't this amount of cash have been invested in something that wasn't "Dawson's Trek?" The ridiculous over-marketing is killing any interest I once had at seeing the film. If I hear one more person declare that he or she just wasn't interested in Trek, but that they saw this film and "Lordy, Lordy, I have a-seen da light," I'm going to fucking puke. Screw the neo-Trekkers. I still don't want fucking Beastie Boys in my Trek.
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I thought 'Flying to OK City' was a cool way of saying the movie was a bit mediocre, as in "it started off well but then flew to OK City".
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..that don't seem to suffer from server pole in the kiester syndrome. Lots of clever construction and clear affection went into the movie and it'a a AAA level production in terms of quality. It's not the Greatest Thing Of All Time but man you really have to be a sourpuss to not at least have fun at this movie if you've ever liked Trek at all. Not only were they respectful of everything that has come before they relied on it wholeheartedly in the building this movie...without making it impenetrable to anyone but the most devout. If you can't or won't see what kind of an accomplishment that is (i.e. they did all of this and still made it extremely entertaining) you really are bit too cranky. It really is ok to like things every once in a while. Honest.
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Hmmm, OK. Although, that's not really all that hard to do.
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They did not send me a pre-release to review. So do not go see it, it is boring v-e-r-y boring, I know because I saw a pirated pre-production version and I base this on that. I will not see it. It is one of the worst movies of all time.
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read the comic Star Trek Countdown before you go
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but wolverine was bad right?!;)
man i know this wont bomb, but i wish it would!!!!! cus i have enough of those reboots, remakes etc.
this storyline has been done over and over again in shows and a dozen movies, whats so new about it?!
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We know where Kirk and Spock ended... but it is all new now. Nero fucked shit up, so Kirk and Spock will now do things differently. So, they could both die earlier now or Khan could kill them. Maybe the Borg detect Nero's ship and want the technology and come earlier now.
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Tick tock, tick tock. Woooo Hoooooo!!!
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Thought it was terrible. More soon.
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...have the weakest arguments I've heard in a long time. And your breath smells like hot trash.
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by Spock for having an argument with him. He lands on a totally random planet and within 5 minutes has met Leonard Nimoy and Simon Pegg.
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Wipe Wolverine off the map.
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to the staffers on AICN who all gave it 5 out of 5. It's so predictable, you'll be guessing the next scene before it appears on screen.
Simon Pegg turns in one of the worst performances in screen history.
Karl Urban is cool but in about 8 short scenes.
Pine is ok, as is Quinto. The story is non-existent, Bana is given nothing to do. Some cool ILM work but all shot in close-up so hard to distinguish what is going on.
Totally devoid of the intelligence that made the best Trek work. Trek for the malls.
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When a significant planet goes bye-bye in the first half of the movie, the status quo is not so quo anymore.
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I have high hopes for this movie. From what i see in the trailers everything feels right, from the music, the story, the characters. this has potential to be a great sci-fi movie that no fan of the movie genre should miss. Well i have my fingers crossed and i hope for the best of friday =]
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the new Trek was better than the original Star Wars: WTF are you talking about?
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Dont mean to change the subject but Im just curious as to what peoples views on this are? Personally, TNG is one of my all time fave shows and some of the best sci-fi writing ive ever seen. I love TOS but I think TNG blows it out of the water. Your thoughts?
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Love it, Hate it, or nit-pick it...Star Trek hasn't had this kind of Hype or interest in my YEARS.. ticket sales will be great and more Trek will follow!
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nah you're just a grumpy cunt..fine you didnt like it, nobody gives a shit.
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Fuck you, giving my opinion. Isn't worth less than yours.
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Seek help, man. Seriously. Seek help.
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Am I right?
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Nope.
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May 07, 2009 10:56:32 AM CDT
Worse Star Trek Movie EVER!!!!!!! +its a bland & average at best
by genrefanboy
Just got back from seeing it at the 11:45@ Empire Leicester Square, London, England(one of the worlds
best cinemas).
This movie is a gigantic monumental disaster. It makes Nemesis look great & you will be praying for Rick
Berman to come back now. No I am not kidding at all there are so many problems with this movie and nearly
ALL reviews are very unaccurate which is putting it mildly. Saying ALL reviews are corrupt & they have
been bribed to say its a good movie would be a fairly logical and accurate opinion. I do not know where
to start but I am going to list all the negatives first (in no particular order) as this movie and its
director do not deserve a fair chance or unbiased review from me. Ebert is right on the money with his
review trust me.
1: Leonard Nimoy is in this for approx 3-4 minutes screentime and has 3 scenes and about 10-15 lines of
dialogue which is not very Spock like as Nimoy seems very old because his voice is failing badly. Shatner
will be glad he was not in this movie as even his limited screentime in ST7 and poor death was 300%
better than Nimoy's role here. If Nimoy was not even in it you would not care or notice all that BS about
Nimoy being integral to the story is screenwriter BS.
2: The visual FX from ILM are totally wasted. There is not 1 WOW shot in the entire movie. We all know
ILM are one of the best VFX companies in the world but here they have been instructed to do some poorly
designed work here. The ship VFX cinematography is absolutely appalling. All you get are close-ups of the
ships hulls and a blink or you will miss it beauty shot which is undynamic. The Enterprise has very
little screentime and when you do see her its meaningless as she has about 2 secs screentime before the
editing cuts away. The end of the movie has the Enterprise warp away and even this is botched badly. The
virtual camera is so close to the ship that all you can see is a fraction of her and the actual warp
effect is the same as Star Wars minus the hyperdrive stars. The ship stretches away and thats it. No warp
flash. No hyperdrive stars. Nothing. Very bland and uncinematic.
New transporter VFX is poorly designed
as well and looks like it belongs on TV not in a big movie as its just a whiteish blurry mess.
3: The music: Really bland. There is 1 main theme and thats it. No Enterpise theme whatsoever. All the
music is just sonic wallpaper and a disaster. No wonder the OST is only 45 mins. I even deleted my
torrent of it as you could not give it away to me I would need paying to hear it again. Not 1 scene in
the entire movie has any emotional music to underscore it. Complete & utter waste of money. They could
have got a TV composer to do it and you would not have even noticed any difference.
4: The cinematography: Just as attrocious as MI3. All close-ups but now its close-ups of planets,
starships, actors you name it. If its onscreen the cameraman has a magnet so its as close to the lense as
possible. The director needs to go back to film school to be taught how to use the camera for master
shots to allow the audience to at least get their bearing's before cutting away with hyperfast editing to
yet another unforgettable scene.
5: Storyline: Its a total disaster and everything you feared in your worse nightmares. Its so convulted
and uninvolving you really care little what happens next or to whom. This movie needed another 30-45mins
to fill in the story as it was not presented in a way which allows you to follow it properly as it jumps
around all over the place. Only McCoy's dialogue was worthy. The rest ranged from average to awful. And
why do they still swear in the future it sound a little strange to hear mild 21st century cuss words in
the far future.
6: Actors. Well the good news is that you will care about Pike (Greenwood), McCoy (Urban) & Uhura
(Saldana). The rest are the bland unknowns you always feared. They have little screen presence and are
not very skilled actors. But Bruce Greenwood's Pike does very well and to me gave the best performance in
the entire movie for his very limited screentime. Karl Urban's McCoy has little to do except channel the
late great De Forest Kelley but he does this well and is a warm presence. Zoe Saldana's Uhura is the only
other actor worth a mention as she is eye candy (although not mega hot) and gives an emotional
believeable performance. Of the rest the most annoying is the new Chekov actor. He has the worse Russian
accent you have ever heard and is a waste of screentime. You will feel like shutting the little bitch up
as he annoys more than Wesley Crusher ever did but plays the same boy genius character. The new Spock is
bland and his voice is so weak & wrong for the part. The new Kirk is just another average young gun actor
and you will not care less for him as he does nothing interesting with the role. Sulu is just portrayed
as an incompetant helmsman who cannot even get the jump to warp right in an emergency (which is played
for laughs as a joke when an entire planet is at stake). Kirk's father in the opening prologue displays
more skill as an actor.
There is a part of the movie about half way though where Old Spock tells Young Kirk he must provoke an
emotional outburt from Young Spock so Young Kirk can assume command of the Enterprise!!! Yep I kid you
not and Old Spock (nimoy) also tells Young Kirk he cannot no matter what under any circumstances tell
Young Spock why he is doing this!!! With me so far right well at the end of the movie in a scene which
feels so tacked on for a totally unexplained reason Young Spock meets Old Spock!!!!! I could go on but
you get the general idea by now. This is not your fathers star trek or anyones now its a poorly conceived
Star Trek in name only.
This movie is a bigger letdown than even the following:
The Phantom Menance
Matrix Revolutions
Star Trek Nemesis
If Star Trek had a poor name before this movie will ensure that its has an especially bad name in future
and has probably killed the franchise once and for all as no-one over the age of 13 will care much for it
in a few weeks. Paramount have done an amazing job with the marketing and reviewer bribery but forgot to
produce a worthy film having entrusted the franchise keys to a mediocre group of people.
Gene Roddenberry will be turning in his grave at how they finally managed to destroy his beloved Star
Trek with this utterly bland & medicore failure.
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For what it's worth, I agree with just about all your points.
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meeting Old Spock and then Scotty within about 5 minutes is teeth-grindingly awful. And Spock letting Kirk have command because he got angry is idiotic.
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I hear you dude its a tragic shame they hyped this movie so much as many people will be really let down by this.
I Guess the tagline "its not your father star trek" was the big clue from Paramount that they were nervous about it so went into hype overdrive to try and salvage some $$$.
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in this film to the ones in Undiscovered Country. Undiscovered Country was made on a fraction of the new films budget yet is 1000 times better. Sometimes throwing money at the screen is not the answer, less can be more as it forces creativity on the part of the filmmakers.
This new Trek is creatively banrupt.
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I hear you. Unfortunately it will be a success, Paramount has done its marketing too well. 6 months from now nobody will be talking about this picture though.
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I'm actually dreading this movie. As in, literally, really not wanting to go see it. So why am I seeing it? I'm a masochist, apparently...well I already knew that.
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I saw it with Fortunesfool who posts on here, his first words after the picture were "Phantom Menace bad".
But at least Phantom Menace had the lightsabre duel at the end, which is a great cinema scene. There's nothing comparable in this. It's such a fanboy effort too, too busy being all cutesy about Trek and having nothing to say about the human condition, which all the best Trek aspired to do. -
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Nope - will I just tell you?
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with a mammoth space battle was a mistake too, as you've seen the most spectacular thing in the movie within the first 10 minutes.
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Am I right?
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but i think i heard it was Spock somewhere...probably here. stupid AICN
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Kwisatzhaderach's comment that "This is a movie made by idiots for idiots". Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of those people around now, for some reason. Too much shit in the food we eat, the air we breath, the water we drink and the medications we take? I'd venture a "yes"...it's sad how our culture is now celebrating the arrival of pure, unadulterated P-A-P Crap. And Azlam Orlandu, my breath smells like hot MUSH, thank you.
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Yep ST6 was a great Trek movie with a tiny budget $27M.
This is the worse by a long way with a $150m+ and unknowns!
Where is Berman when you need him!!!
Not sure the mainstream audiences will care for this at all as Females have no reason to see it and wil be bored very quickly. Box office will not be that good as like Watchmen it will drop suddenly and quickly go away.
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whatever the hell it is.
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Yup, Spock created the KM test. That's the level of creativity on the flick.
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That opening space battle was rubbish anyway. Too many TV closeups and no master shots.
Compare the emotional clout of it to the Battle For Peace from ST6. No Contest.
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that are centered around a Romulan seeking revenge. Or Reman. Whatever.
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Am I right?
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Yeah I totally agree with you about the design of the FX shots, way too close, no room to breathe.
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That would have had some originality at least.
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Get a refund dude this will be a big let down. Its so bad I doubt the torrents when they come will get much traffic!!!!
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May 07, 2009 11:28:28 AM CDT
My actual words were The Phantom menace directed by Michael Bay.
by fortunesfool
Which pretty sums up this moronic piece of shit. Abrams said at some point that this 'isn't your fathers Star Trek'. He was right. This is your Ritalin-addled, slightly retarded little brothers Star Trek and a sure sign that film-making has dropped to such a spectacular low that its getting rave reviews.
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and falling. Damn. I might check my brain at the door after all.
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You won't need your brain.
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1) Is it really such a rewrite that uhura could get it on with spock? in the original series, she was kinda repressed. She is so in this movie, so she could find it hot. Plus, she dug a fat-boy scotty in ST:V, and even made out with Kirk once (albeit under mind control).
2) I understand in the comic that explanations about the ship were made. Here's a few things. First, why did spock make so much red matter. Second, where was nero when romulus was blown to bits>? Third, why hate spock so much for a supernova he didn't start. fourth, where was he for 25 years? Why wait that long for revenge instead of just doing Vulcan? Supposedly a scene cut shows he was imprisoned (thus the klingon attack ....it was a klingon prison). Next, why doesn't he or anyone else age? Even if they age slower, spock visibly aged in 25 years.
3) Why does spock bother to tell kirk not to tell young spock about old spock? Especially since he seemed to openly share with jr. once jr. mistook him.
4) Is old spock out of the closet, so to speak? If he's identified a new vulcan colony, what is his role? what will his identity be?
5) Why weren't there any other federation staffers on that ship BUT Pike? I'm ok with cadets on the ship, and a young / small fleet. But where were the rest? Even so, why was Chekov there?
6) Did I miss an explanation about the enterprise being built in Iowa?
7) Was this the first trek movie with product placements? Bud and Nokia?
I thought it was a pretty damn awesome movie. There were tons of problems with it, but the bottom line is that none of that matters in the face of a compelling story with rich characters. I'm in the minority because I didn't 100% love Bones. But I thought everyone (including Urban) pretty much nailed it. Chris Pine IS Kirk. Live Long and Prosper!
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goes into childbirth at the exact moment everyone is being evacuated off the USS Kelvin. There are so many plot contrivances in this thing you wouldn't believe.
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where was the compelling story?
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first, you must be one of those oddballs who loved wolverine. Second, Spock's change in destiny is tragic. Third, how could you not root for those guys? Fourth, more importantly, the movie showed that you can change events but keep the essence of a character. How many times in this movie did Kirk cheat or escape death? Luck out when he thought he was a goner? Basically, what he did was what he did in the old series and movies--find a way to rise to the occasion.
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If you think the young(car stealing) Kirk hitting his futuristic ipod and The Beastie Boys 'sabotage' blaring out is an 'awesome cool'idea then you're gonna love this drivel. If you think its an appaling idea and a sign of how bad film-making has really gotten? then avoid it like a plague.
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There's no fucking way I would watch that Wolverine shit. Get a grip son.
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Your a studio plant right??
Its ok we can see though this damage limitation having got used to it over the years.
There is no story being told complelling or otherwise. End of. Its just a lazy poor string of contrivances.It would take a very long time to even explain all the problems with this movie.
Rich characters. Ha ha your a comedian right!!
There is no exposition in this movie in any way shape or form.
Chekov was there to annoy the audience with his ridiculous accent and Wesley Crusher abilities.
You were at least awake in this movie as you spotted that how can Nero travel through time via black holes created by unknown or enexplained means but we are led to assume red matter. Yet Nero has to wait 25 years (without aging a bit) for Spock to show up as his amazing time travel tech cannot do 25 years old less!!!! There lies the problem with the script and story is written by morons for morons!!!
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Just remembered that the entire row in front of me was totally empty. I even asked the manager about it as I wanted to move there and he said that the group of people who booked in advance tried to get a refund but the cinema does not do this so they no showed rather than watch this garbage.
We are talking 30 seats in a premium showcase cinema @ $21 per seat and they no show because of how bad it is!!!
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of accepting change. If you don't evolve you die. Can't say it'd be a great loss to mankind if you two Ass-Clowns fail to have any offspring.
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I'm not going to rail on you for your views, I might agree with them. But all these messages look kinda self-serving. Whatever, I've probably been guilty of the same before. This place needs edit features.
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Just putting my opinions out there. I'm sure a lot of you guys will love the film.
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I was totally up for the film and had an open mind at the beginning sue to the practically 100% good reviews. But the movie was a total miss for me.
Thanks for the comments about my potential offspring though. That's really relevant to talking about the filmmaking skills of Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci.
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A lot of you guys are probably pot smoking 15 year old morons who bounce about in your seats at every over edited bit of cgi eye candy and couldn't care less about intelligent storytelling and characterisation.
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Very slick piece of work. It moves so quickly, that there is barely time for any emotional resonance, and things happen that should be very heavy in the Trek universe. Spock prime basically becomes Obi Wan Kenobi to Kirk's young Skywalker. JJ was right - he was a bigger fan of Star Wars. Bana, sadly, becomes a rather lightweight villain... no comparison to Khan. But then, the film moves so quickly and slickly past huge events, we are not given time to care. Still, it was a likable, fun summer movie and much popcorn will be munched. I agree with the invisotext on the flaws. But I really enjoyed the movie while watching it. Just as I enjoy Chinese food while eating it. The only thing that really stuck to my ribs was Karl Urban as Bones. BTW, it's amazing how losing one's father at a young age can cause them to grow a foot taller. Shatner Kirk's father must have done numerous things to stunt his growth... good thing Nero got him out of the picture. Let's add it up: Kirk Spock Uhura dynamic has Luke Han and Leah written all over it. The Ice Monsters are straight out of Empire. And the first thing Spock Prime says to New Coke Spock is a twist on the Vader Luke lines in Empire. It is a good, slick film, and there are many things to love, but the day after has me thinking it far thinner than it wants to be.
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for any American readers.
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No, the new film isn't perfect but it's better than at least 8 of the previous Trek films. Bitching about a Romulan not looking 25 years older (especially since Romulans have longer lifespans) only justifies the need to strip away all the bullshit built up over the decades and approach these characters from the ground up.
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Hey kwisatzhaderach, I like that Spock created the Kobiashi (spelling?). He says in Khan "I never took the Kobiashi until now". To me, it was cool because he could not take the test, because he created it and would not strike fear in him knowing all outcomes. It was not a big deal for me. Now Kirk meeting old Spock on the ice planet... yes, weak but still works... Nero threw him on the ice planet to watch Vulcan die. So, it is just a random encounter and does not bug me.
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That's cool you dig it. I just thought it was too convenient that Spock created it, it just makes the Trek universe smaller.
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Just as I suspected. It will be cool, fun, and shiny, but in 6 months even those who "LOVE IT!" like EVERYBODY at AICN, Time, Larry King, Ebert, etc ... did with Superman Returns will have a change in their tune.I'll be there Friday night with the wife to see it of course, and I'm sure it'll be fun, but hey...I liked Superman Returns also. So what do I know?
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Its not about accepting change its about accepting a reasonable movie.
Sure they give you change here but they give you so much change and so little (if any) reason to care its change for change's sake as the cupboard of good ideas is bare.
There is little emotional resonance and you sound as though your the target demographic so I am sure it will engage your underdeveloped intellect in a way that only Lost or Alias or MI3 can!!
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In Khan Spock says of the KM test: "What do you think of my solution?" which would suggest he did not create it. But whatever. It could be argued either way. I'd have much rather it be a long-standing Starfleet tradition instead of being recently invented by Spock.
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Thanks kwisatzhaderach! I still really enjoyed it. I like that things are changed because of Nero. Things that old Spock remembers wil not happen or might happen differently. Also, people think Spock was going back in time to stop Nero... he was sucked into the "time event" just like Nero. So, as soon as his ship comes out... he (Spock) is captured. Nero figured out when his ship would come out of the "time event" and waited. So, even if old Spock knew things changed, he was just coming out at a random time and could not prepare to stop him.
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Ancient Vulcan proverb.
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It's not about being negative for negatives sake. It's about being negative because I saw a sub-standard piece of entertainment, and one that has been hailed as a masterpiece on here for weeks.
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Anybody wanna help a brother out?
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His glowing review of The Happening, including praise of the 'quiet dignity' of Wahlberg's performance, is testament to his silly person-ness.
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If you think this is better than 8 of the ST movies I laugh at your superior intellect as you obviously took something from ST11 which I did not because I am not worthy to be brainwashed by this pathetic drivel material!!!
If you think that this movie offers these characters as built from the ground up then I once again applaud your superior movie watching skills in catching all the exposition and characterisation which I missed...whats that oh I did not miss any.
I knew that already!!!
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May 07, 2009 12:35:15 PM CDT
"It will engage your underdeveloped intellect in a way that only
by spyguy
Do you even watch LOST? Thanks to my "underdeveloped intellect," I can't even begin to describe what a completely fucked-up statement that is.
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Nimoy can help you out here as in this new movie he pon farr's with Kirk on the Ice Planet (after the TESB monster ripoff sequence that serves no story point whatsoever and looks lame and has the TPM gag) to deliver the backstory in about 25 secs via some poor looking CGI with some banal & hard to hear dialogue.
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Jesus..look at all of you..coming out of the woodwork. "WE DID IT WE DID IT! YAAAAAAAAAAAAY ...wait.I'm still a nerd?"
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1) Kirk grows up in Iowa, talented but restless and is dared by Captain Pike to join Starfleet and make something of his life. Which he does.
2) Spock grows up on Vulcan as an outcast because of his mixed heritage. Faced with more discrimination, he leaves to join Starfleet and eventually has to face the loss of his mother and his entire planet.
Now whether you liked what you saw or not, those were character arcs. The characters at the beginning of the film are not in the exact same place as they were at the end.
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to engage your intellect? Really? Wow. Isn't exactly "The Left Hand of Darkness" now is it?It's amazing how a fun, entertaining space opera (I mean the entire Trek legacy) somehow becomes a litmus test for 'intellect' when many SF writers bemoan it's wonky science and underdeveloped ideas. Isn't one of the main attractions the fascinating characters?I mean did Roddenberry really come up with a unique and precious jewel? Or is it something 'deeper'?
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OK, I did enjoy the film. I enjoyed the multiple nods to ST history ....but:
1. Red Matter was created by the Vulcan Science Academy at a date AFTER the planet was destroyed?
2. I can accept that all the star ships were off on other missions, but the drill was destroyed by Spock's lone vessel - was there nothing flying on Vulcan or Earth that had some armaments?
Overall, I thought it was a great cinematic experience, but I am irritated that script-writers are so lazy with plots involving time.
Coming out I was enthused, but on reflection I think I still prefer ST 2, 4 and First Contact.
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May 07, 2009 12:48:32 PM CDT
Wait where are the Star Trek banner ads on this site?
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
oh..OHHHHHH There they are..Good Timing Harry. Now please just replace the site's wallpaper with naked pictures of JJ Abram's and you'll be all set.
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Um…what? I call race fail on that shite.
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May 07, 2009 12:51:53 PM CDT
Nimoy "pon farr's with Kirk"? Okay, now I know you're trolling.
by spyguy
Go back to pre-school, kid.
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I'd suppose it's here but that's really what it's going to come down to on the whole I think. Most people that have enjoyed Trek in its various forms and to varying degrees will like this. If that makes them inferior I doubt they will care much, which would be necessary for the label to stick in any meaningful way.
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Nimoy mind-melds with Kirk, don't worry they don't do the Pon Farr.
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I hope there's a scene in the movie that's (not coincidentally) similar to a famous scene in either the series or the old movies and he mutters to himself, "There's something familiar about all this...", you know, like Old Biff in BTTF2.
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Although, "Nimoy Pon Farrs with Kirk" could become a great new AICN catchphrase.
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1: Yeah Kirk grows up in Iowa listening to the beastie boys as lets face it in 200 years their music will still be relevant.... And in 200 years they will still have classic combustion engine cars from today which 8 year old superkids can steal/drive and evade the flying motorcycle robocop on. Then even though we are never once shown any reason why, Kirk we are told is talented in something but cheats on the KM test in the most lamest and laughable manner ever like the actor is just slumming it for the money.
Ok I can believe all that really I can...... in a childens TV reality show maybe.
2: Yeah Spock grows up on Vulcan and joins starfleet was ok to be fair I cannot fault that (shame the rest of the movie was nothing like it). Then when he is in Starfleet calls Kirk out as a cheat & a liar infront of the entire academy and his emotions do not get in the way of him blocking Kirk from the Enterprise and sending uhura to another ship then when she gives him the you will not get any action from me look Spock surrenders to his human side again and puts her on the Enterprise to help him save his homeworld. OK still with me I hope you are as its hard to follow right.... Then because Spock is upset with Kirk and even though the situation is serious he jettisons Kirk to an ice planet which just happens to be below so he can get Kirk out of his hair!!!
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May 07, 2009 1:22:00 PM CDT
You would have to be a right fucking SOURPUSS not to enjoy this
by captain katanga
The comparison to Phantom Menace is ludicrous. I can accept that this film is not want certain fans wanted, but the fact is that it succeeds entirely on it's own terms. The same cannot be said of the utter clusterfuck that was Phantom Menace.
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I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams. I think he's a mediocre writer/director at best. Alias was his best work, something he abandoned early on. Lost is better off without him on the writing team, Felicity...well, not my cup of tea and Mission Impossible III was Alias: The Movie with Tom Cruise playing the part of Sydney over and over. He uses the same plot device over and over again aka jumping in time to the past or future (everything he's touched except Felicity, and I'm not even sure about that, has had flashbacks or flashforwards) and his Supermam script was an abomination.
I'm also not a fan of Robert Orci or Alex Kurtzman, the writers. They are average at best i.e. Zorro, and complete hacks at worst ie Transformers.
Where do I stand on Star Trek? Well I grew up with The Next Generation, never liked DS9 and considered Voyager to be TNG in reverse. I was bored by Enterprise after a couple of seasons. However I do think that Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan and Star Trek: First Contact are solid, enjoyable films.
What about the original series? I've only seen a handful of episodes, including the masterpiece of the series - City On The Edge Of Forever.
The thing about the Original Series is that is strikes me as being one third drama about social issues, one third science fiction and one third sitcom. Even the music within episodes is reminiscent of 60's sitcoms.
The thing about the Original Series though was that at its best it had some of the best writing in television. It was a landmark show and highlighted many social issues that just weren't PC to mention....and it was cancelled. Of course syndicated reruns kept the show alive and it would ultimately become a franchise that would live for 40 years and reach the edge of oblivion. The new movie is probably the last chance to save Star Trek from TV and Movie death. A hard thing after the wreck that was Star Trek Nemesis.
So...I don't like the director or the writers and I'm not a Trekkie/Trekker (what's the difference? meh). I did like TNG and some of the films but I'm not an avid fan. I was always a Star Wars geek.
Has Abrams defied the odds then and delivered a film that I like? Well....yes. But it's not without its flaws.
Star Trek is the best Trek film since First Contact. Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto have inherited the roles of Kirk and Spock to great effect. Karl Urban steals the show and McCoy and John Cho...isn't Japanese...um...he's Korean. Apparently all Asians look alike in the future
The best thing about the film are the performances by the actors taking on the much loved roles. Pine as Kirk has the swagger, the glint in his eye, he even channels Shatner in one amusing scene. There are a couple of times where he acts a bit too much like a stereotypical Hollywood teenager, but that's most likely down to the limits of the writers. For the most part, Pine IS James Tiberius Kirk and frankly, when Marvel start casting Captain America I would put him forward for the role.
Spock IS...Leonard Nimoy...and Quinto. It's interesting watching their performances. Nimoy's Spock is slightly different to Quinto, but that makes sense within the context of the story and despite the differences they both feel like the same person.
This is Spocks story. It's Kirks story. We see them from childhood all the way through to the bridge of the USS Enterprise. We watch them evolve as characters in a universe that has been changed from what we know of the Trekverse. The heart of the original series was in the relationship between Spock, Kirk and McCoy and this is true here though Urban's McCoy could have used some more interaction with the other two at the same time than he got.
Speaking of the story, what is it? Well I'm not going to go into too much detail. Suffice to say it's technically a sequel to what has gone before. Time travel is a plot device that is used to reboot the franchise and I guess it makes sense. It cements the idea that the entire Trek franchise is still canon but what we have entered is an alternate universe. In fact one of the characters even says that it's alternate universe, as if to appease the rabid Trek fans who don't want Shatner to be forgotten. It's a bit much quite frankly. They really spelt it out when they didn't need to.
The advantage of creating an alternate universe is that you can start again from scratch. The problem though is that the ability to do what you want with these characters could lead you in a direction that strays too much from what the heart of the characters were in the original series. An example of this is Uhura who in this film appears to be nothing more than eye candy. Sure she gets a couple of moments where she is supposedly strong and in control but for the most part her job seems to be to stand there, look pretty and be a shoulder for Spock to cry on...oh yeah, Spock is emotional in this film.
I'm not saying it's completely bad or anything, as I said above, it fits well but I may have preferred if Spock was a little more reserved at times. Meanwhile Checkov and Scotty seem to be little more than comic relief. There is even a scene that uses Checkov's Russian accent as a punchline, no doubt a real winner for Orci and Kurtzman
Then you have the villain, Nero. Bana plays the role well. Unfortunately I don't think that he is enough of a threat throughout the film. He has just a handful of scenes and to really get to know the character you need to read a prequel comic that fills in the backstory...that's just lazy.
I want to talk a little about the action. Say what you want about Lucas and Spielberg but one thing these guys do well is stage action scenes. They keep the camera relatively still long enough for you to get a sense of what's going on. Unfortunately Abrams doesn't share this trait. The action suffers from the use of the "shaky cam" effect and frankly I wish Hollywood would relearn how to keep the camera still.
The special effects by ILM are top notch as you would expect but I have to reserve special praise for the sound department.
If a Star Trek sound exists, it's in there. Everything from the sound the doors make when they open to the transporters and the red alert alarm is there. It certainly sounds like Star Trek. But perhaps the best thing about the sound in the movie is the transition from ship to space. You see, Star Wars has sound in space. You hear the roar of the Star Destroyers engines, the explosion of the Death Star etc. Star Trek has also had sound in space in the past.
This time however, there is no sound in space and it's used to great effect. There's a scene where Kirk and co are skydiving from space into the upper atmosphere of Vulcan and the effect is very well done there and in other scenes throughout the movie...having said that there are times where you do hear sound in space but even that's used well.
One of the problems with the film is the series of coincidences. We're in an alternate universe here so everytime a familiar character pops up, it's one hell of a coincidence. Ok, so you have to put the crew of the Enterprise together but given that history has changed, perhaps that's something that should have been debated a little more. Some may say that it's destiny but when a three characters happen to end up within 20km of each other on a mostly barren planet just so they can meet up...it's a bit lazy to be honest...after all planets are big.
There's also an action scene near the end of the second act (where one of these coincidences happen) that has no purpose whatsoever other than to get two characters sharing the screen. I remember watching it and thinking that it was completely pointless.
The ending of the film is also a little anti-climactic. The stakes are huge in this film but the ending is just a little...meh. Which brings up something else...the last scene of the film...there is something that annoys me about it. I won't say what it is....something is said by someone that I thought should have been said by someone else. But that's a small gripe.
The score is pretty good at times though the lack of Goldsmiths Star Trek theme was a bit of a downer. Sure, chronologically speaking the theme wasn't used until Star Trek: The Motion Picture but it's a new reality, I think it should have been in there. I should note though that the theme from the Original Series does play over the end credits, which was a nice touch.
Star Trek is a pretty good film. Most of the cast are spot on in their portrayals of the characters, the logic is solid apart from some shady coincidences and it does have some of the humour from the Original Series, even though there are a couple of lines that feel like leftovers from Transformers.
This is Abrams best work. It's Kurtzman and Orci's best work (though from what I've heard, they're back to their usual mediocre selves with Transformers 2). If you're a Trek fan then you're going to check it out anyway. If you're not a Trek fan then I say give it a chance. You don't need to have watched Trek to get into the film. It's pretty entertaining, feels like Star Wars at times (in terms of the adventure serial feel to Lucas' films) which isn't a bad thing and is well worth a watch.
Final Score: 7/10
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Seeing it a second time tonight.
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Nope nothing. He tells the Young Kirk he can never meet his other self but thats exactly what he does in the tacked on near the end scene.
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Um, what?
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Than Star Wars a New Hope. Get off of the crack! I've watched the first SW close to a hundred times. It was a genre breaking film that introduced a classic characters and universe. This is just a rebooted Star Trek with new actors playing already established characters. They aren't even in the same ballpark.
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Your right The Phantom Menace had SOME good moments like the Duel Of Fates battle.
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Just want to say...for those who have seen it...the Kobayashi Maru (or however you spell it). Was it just me or did Pine go all Shatner in that scene?
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but deep inside the haters really like it...idiots
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I would not touch Khan in the next movie... unless it is a mirror universe Kirk going after every Khan and other version of Kirk. I would bring back Shattner as the fat ruler of the mirror universe on a thrill mission to destroy all other versions of himself. Why not have Khan and young Kirk team up to detroy old fat Kirk and finally Khan turn on young Kirk and kill Uhura to have a pissed off Spock in #3 with the new guys...
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but clearly dismissed that the movie went out of its way to be explicit that he was joy-riding in a stolen "antique" with some "old-world" notions like a dated on-board song catalog. Honestly if you don't like something just be honest about it don't invent reasons why.
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You give the actor too much credit!! He munches on an apple and acts like a childish jerk who is bored and wants to go home already! His cheat is a reboot of the simulator computers and this upsets Spock so much he later puts Kirk on an escape pod & fires it onto the ice planet which happens to be nearby even though Vulcan is in peril Spock still find time to do this as its the logical thing to do apparently.....
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WTF are you talking about? I didn't like the film, it was crap. It's nothing to do with being cool. I wish I had gotten a cool film today. I didn't. If that makes me a hater fine.
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No reason to invent things as this movie will suck enough on its own merits!!!
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What did you think of the film?
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Has the standard of film-making dropped so low that people can't see that this is very badly written and directed. Star Trek villians used to quote Shakespeare. New Spock quotes Conan Doyle in this one and gets dissed by Kirk for it. You know why? Because its aimed at an audience of morons and written by morons. Movies like this shouldn't be playing to the dumbest audience, they should be trying to make the dumbest audience smarter. The more this goes on the more moronic all these movies are gonna get. It has to stop.
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I meant in his mannerisms and speech patterns. I swear, in that scene I thought he was doing a Shatner impression
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film?utm_source=a-section
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doing the Vulcan hand salute you know something, somewhere is horribly wrong.
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It'll be interesting to log back on later and see what others make of it. Enjoy.
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I hate this movie because is total space garbage.
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Right on, man! Resist the stupidity!
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Sorry dude I missed that as I could not get over how poor he acted the scene like it was a high school slumber party game or something!!
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First, I'm no plant. Those of you who see me post know I've been doing it for years. The movie has tons of coincidences, and yes, it's a bit lazy. But without the shorthand movie scripting, a movie like this couldn't have been made. I'm willing to accept it because the end product was so good. I kept thinking that Spock Jr sounded nothing like Spock Sr, which was the biggest complaint I think I had about the muppet babies' imitation. But at the end of the movie, there was a convincing relationship established between those two principals. And it felt good to see.
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Am I the only one who thinks it should have been Kirk delivering that line?
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Yeah it would have been cool for Shatner to do it.
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May 07, 2009 2:41:49 PM CDT
Wow, this is still the same people arguing from when I last chec
by rev_skarekroe
And that was hours ago. Basically, it looks like three people hated this movie. So it's got about the same average as Dark Knight and Iron Man did last summer. Sort of the Bizarro version of Wolverine.
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I don't disagree about the line being delivered by Spock..but keep in mind he did deliver that line one other time in the movies--Wrath of Khan, I believe. So it was a connection to the past. It could have been shatner. It could have been Pine. But it was a bookend, not a beginning. it was used differently. Also, they refer to "no one has gone before" rather than "no man". To me, it gives it a feeling of continuity from the post-TNG era. I think that's why they did Spock.
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you might not wanna say you like Armageddon too loud..psst JJ abrams wrote it.
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im just saying i respect your opinion. it just eaier these days to anonomously hate the shit outta film. but for all i know you could have a shrine in your house to all things abrams. many people on this TB have yet to see the film (im included--im waiting to see before i judge) and are hating for hates sake. yet they will see it, be entertained (more so perhaps) but not recant. they will find some minutia to nitpick about or gripe and continue to hate ad infinitum publicly..
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Cheers dude. I have no Abrams shrine. I enjoy Lost but thats as far as me and him go.
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No it's not a perfect movie (needs 10 minutes of breathing space or something, perhaps there'll be an extended cut??) but it's fucking entertaining. Some of you are acting like you've never seen a movie before, whining about coincidences and everything. It seems we've forgotten how to simply enjoy any kind of movie without meticulously picking it apart before the credits have even rolled. This is just the BEGINNING of new Trek! Pine was brilliant as Kirk. He was actually pretty Shatner-esque in a few scenes, despite many reviews saying otherwise. Just because he's not aping the Shat's crazy speaking pattern doesn't mean he's not channeling him in a big way. He plays the young, cocky, rebellious good guy with ease and without it seeming in any way cliched IMO. Quinto rules as Spock. Love the Uhura relationship! Zoe Saldana is another fine piece of casting. They could easily have just cast some bimbo or Beyonce or something ruined it, but Zoe is a great actress and brings credibility to Uhura. Urban as McCoy...what else needs to be said?? Hope he has a larger role in the sequel. Same goes for Sulu and Chekov who hardly had any lines.
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Dude I know he wrote that. If he could have wrote this and made it as enjoyable as Armageddon I would be happy to praise this.
Unfortunately he dropped the ball and his lack of talent on the big screen is now more obvious than ever. Both MI3 & Star Trek had TV style close ups all the time & terrible cinematography.
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What YOU said! Exactly!
Well played.
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and you guys are complaining? Come on!
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Bizarro version of Wolverine.HEY BAY! FOX! NO MORE FUCKING EXCUSES!JJ just proved you can have fun and 'splosions and STILL create something that doesn't feel like it was shit out to satisfy demographic obsessed studio bean counters.I do want to go on about how much I loved it but my head is still swimming from seeing it. I'm also a bit concerned that vadakinX has seriously dented the worlds supply of ASCII code
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And they have a No Brain Checking policy!
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Do the doors sound right when they open and close? Does the phaser fire sound right? These things are important people!!!
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m.cnn.com/cnn/ne/ent/detail/298469;jsessionid=64F8CDDF2525BC07D448FAC92DDA14A3.live4ib
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And combined with the bit where he gets stuck in the engine and sucked up the tubes, def a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory vibe. In general, I loved this Trek, and can't wait to see it again.
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but that was another life. Or at least previous decades. Now, sadly, he wouldn't know fun and imagination if took him to another quadrant.
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How old are you? Because I'd venture to guess none of you are older than 7. And don't make shit up, because that's just sad.
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i dont see "produced by Rick Berman" anywhere...ITS SAFE TO GO BACK IN THE WATER!!
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Loved: Urban, Quinto, Nimoy, Pegg, Bana, the guy who played Chekov, the humor. Liked less: Lack of 'Trek feeling' and sensitivities, shakey cam, Pine. Overall: Excellent movie, but could have done with a bit more brain.
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May 07, 2009 5:23:43 PM CDT
Abrams to Purists: I'll drive you crazy and then I'll kill you a
by fa_tass_dinomolester
"While the new Star Trek movie is receiving mostly approving reviews from film critics, director J.J. Abrams is apparently bracing for an onslaught of criticism from those he calls 'Star Trek purists.' In an interview with Australia's AAP wire service, Abrams has this advice for them: 'Don't waste your time.' He indicated that he has already heard from some who were particularly critical of the fact that he did not find a slot for William Shatner, the original Capt. Kirk, in the movie. 'For them I say, Don't see the movie. You'll just get angry. It is not Shatner playing Kirk, so I do apologize.' And actor Chris Pine, who plays Kirk in the new film, indicated that he went out of his way to avoid watching Shatner movie and TV appearances. 'I know how I work and by watching a lot of Mr Shatner's performances as Captain Kirk I knew by osmosis I would get on set and try and impersonate Mr Shatner,' he said. 'It was not my job. I didn't want people to start paying attention to whether I was doing a perfect William Shatner.'" Via http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0774061/. How about we just waste you and call even, Abrams, you gutless flab!
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May 07, 2009 5:25:00 PM CDT
^^ should have been "all". Like Pennywise the Clown...
by fa_tass_dinomolester
...who Abrams seems to have taken his personality from. The puss!
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How can I take this stuff seriously when you run around with the sorts of names y'all do? Especially the ranters. Hey, trolls - get a real name, buy some medication to calm yourself down and then we'll talk. And drop the sexual insults. They only betray your 12-year-old fixations.
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I love these hilarious hysterical whiners who just can't shift the sand from their Vaginas about Trek.
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I am really hoping to like this movie. But I'd really hoped to like "Watchmen," and look what happened there.
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...but it seems everyone would just rather insult everyone else, as per usual on this site. So, I'm just gonna put this out there. I enjoyed Star Trek, I enjoyed Watchmen, I enjoyed Wolverine. You can insult me if you want, but I can assure you my opinion will not change, so you'd be wasting your time.
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I DRINK it up.
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In my world, that's a GOOD thing. I don't like what's in your world.
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if I'm 7...than I'm the 7 year old who could kick your sorry fat ass with ease. go watch some idiocy with Seth Rogen....just go away
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before I give fucking Orci and Abrams one red cent.No I do not trust the "reviews", I keep seeing the words "Sick", "kewl", "Ruled", "Owned" in alot of descriptions...that alone gives me pause. Something keeps saying this is Trans Trek, more than Star Trek.
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But you admit you are 7, despite your name. Or at least have the mental acuity of a 7-year-old, which is obvious from your posts. I'm right again!
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It looks like Star Trek and it sounds like Star Trek, but it didn't taste like Star Trek. This film is big, full of special effects, explosions, action. What it doesn't have is great character moments, intricate plot or any sense of surprise. The greatest parts of the original films came when Kirk, Spock and McCoy shared a quiet, intimate scene, or turned an action scene into a character moment. Not here. Anywhere. Forget Row Row Row your boat. Forget "I love Italian... and so do you". Forget "I have been and always shall be your friend". Well, perhaps not the last one. Still, this film lacks pacing, structure and a heart and it seems like the 'critics' are afraid to say that.
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Looking more promising the more they show us. Maybe I'll just save my money for that...I could use a dose of Stan Winston's robots after seeing myriad ads for JJ's ass-ugly Drek Trek.
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...4 sub par 2 hour episodes, once every 2 to 3 years. I'll take Abrams' Trek over that any day of the week.
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We get it. You didn't like the damn movie. That's fine. Now get a life and shut the fuck up.
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The dialogue, acting and story is actually a lot better in Generations and First Contact than JJ's, even if the cinematography and budget was not.
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that is removing that "unclean" feeling left over by "Nemesis."
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This was an awesome movie. It will probably be the best movie of the summer given how smart, entertaining, and character driven it was. If you don't think this movie sets an amazing tone for the future of Star Trek then you are just an idiot. I would agree with whoever said that this movie ='s batman begins. The movie had some problems but is still an amazing new platform for what will become and amazingly successful and entertaining series. Keep in mind, I could have given 2 shits about Star Trek before last night...Now all I care about is when the next dam one is coming out!
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can someone tell me if there is a plausible storyline presented here in which a Cadet Stowaway becomes the anointed Captain of the Enterprise by the end of the movie? Or does The Federation in this time line just let anyone who says "I called firsties" get to sit in the chair?
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"If you don't think this movie sets an amazing tone for the future of Star Trek then you are just an idiot...Keep in mind, I could have given 2 shits about Star Trek before last night". Well, I'm glad you're such an expert about the future of a franchise you know fucking nothing about. Now stop babbling out of your ass.
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joy joy
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has me in a quandary as to whether or not I'll be checking my brain at the door. I'm leaning towards taking it in, as Roberto suggested.
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doesn't make any sense if you actually think about it for more than 2 seconds. Of course, JJ isn't capable of thinking for more than 1.
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Yes. Or, rather, Pike does, ignoring the existing command structure on the ship. This is not unlike Kirk of TOS appointing a random yeoman to the position of first officer.
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The usual influx of naysayers being negative in order to appear controversial is now in full flow.
You bellends are the equivalent of wrestling fans who cheer baddies for the sole reason that it makes you look more hardcore.
Get over it, this Trek film has sorted out a tired and clichéd franchise and brought it up to date. Not only up to date, but also a good platform has been established in order to explore how other things in Trek mythology would pan out on an alternate timeline.
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if people woo Harry, it's more because of this site as an OUTLET, not as a way of buying manufactured good reviews.what's the difference between Abrams doing an interview, or granting a set visit with AICN, or him doing it for Entertainment Weekly? in my mind, it speaks volumes to the integrity of this site that it can be considered legitimate by studios, but still retain the geekiness and love for film that inspired it.look at it this way, would you ever expect Abrams and the studio to somehow completely shun AICN with a movie like this? it's huge, AND it has geek appeal, this is RIGHT UP AICN'S TERRITORY. of course they're going to throw a lot of attention our way.if you really think that AICN has posted more reviews than they normally would simply because they got a few interviews (interviews that many other sites and publications have got as well), then we disagree, but you have a valid point. if you don't really believe that, then you don't have much of a point at all.the slip side of all this is the argument that 99% of the visitors to this site are going to see this no matter what. if Abrams and his fictitious minions really wanted to score a coup, they wouldn't court Harry OR us...they already have us. whether you want to admit it or not, I'm sure Abrams wants this movie to be big, but he's already done his part by making a good and exciting film. and not everything is a conspiracy theory. Abrams has taken his licks form this site in the past. but geeks are geeks, and they stick together.
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story? So it IS Wrath of Khan?
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You gotta be a horny mother fucker to fuck a green bitch.
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from what I can tell. Just full of fresh-from-the-Academy grads, who always go off on the most important mission in decades, in a brand new ship. None of that working-their-ways-up on lesser vessels for our cast.
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May 07, 2009 7:08:43 PM CDT
DennisMM...AH! I Got it! Star Trek for Hot Topics Shoppers?
by conspiracy
What, Star Fleet did not have some more experienced members planet side they could have called in from the Active Duty Reserve ranks to handle this affair? Or perhaps some on vacation?Ya know...I've heard Annapolis always puts the graduating class as command officers in Ohio Class boats. ;) lol
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Do it!
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conspiracy, I have to admit that they send off the tyros because EVERYBODY is running out to meet Nero's attack. But they still wouldn't load up the newest Constitution-class with a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears types. Nope. Wouldn't happen, IMO. But I'll shut up about it.
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So I'll live vicariously through the reviews. ShakeyCam makes me seasick and it's completely unnecessary.
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I don't like action movies. Even the "good" ones generally bore my ass. The supposedly required amount of violence in these films - enough to get an R rating - often turns me off. So the idea of an action-packed Trek film has me skeptical. I watched Trek for the ideas, the character interaction and the human drama, even if it was melodrama. One Trek film with planets blowing up was more than enough from where I sit. And for my money, Kirk throwing a few drop kicks and karate chops on a Gorn was plenty of fisticuffs. Hell, in WOK, Kirk and Khan don't even meet and there are NO fistfights and only two quick starship shoot-'em-up scenes.
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and what a worthy opinion...you're dead inside...end it now
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where the more you think about it it just falls apart. Looking forward to hearing more thoughts though, where is everyone?
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Just walked in from seeing Star Trek. Been first in line to see every Star Trek movie since TVH! Love all the series (except Enterprise) and all I can say is..... Brilliant!! Hasn't fully sunk in yet! Gonna see it a few more times but I fuckin' loved it! Going to bed happy!
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Well before J.J.'s Star Trek...No one gave a rats ass about the franchise except for the Trekkie fan base which couldn't salvage a films box office to save its own life. Finally there is a movie that can appeal to all bases of the film going public and is a solid foundation for a lucrative franchise. What in your mind is good for the franchise...do you forget that Hollywood is a business?
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I saw "Star Trek" on Tues at the Tempe Marketplace Cine Capri (where "Wolverine" had it's WORLD Premiere). I think the film is a whole lot fun. I'm going to have to see it again just because I was so busy comparing old and new. I love the concept of the reboot...that somethings will change while some stay the same...although my mouth dropped open in disbelief as both Amanda and Vulcan disappeared into nothingness. And as a huge "Star Wars" fan, I'm glad to see that Abrams' Trek universe has taken Lucas' ethic of making it look like a real, lived in place (original trilogy that is). The cast is uniformly fine: Chris Pine's Kirk is part hero, part jerk, part cad; I love that Quinto's Spock is much more willing to explore his human side; Eric Bana's revenge seeking Romulan is awesome...a villain who doesn't truly care what happens to the universe as long as he gets what he wants (the details on the time travel of both romulans AND old Spock are a little hazy...as is the fact that if he could travel thru time why not just stop Ambassador Spock from using the Red Matter?); and Zoe Saldana's Uhura is just all kinds of DAMN SHE FINE! I'd like to see MORE of Bones and make it more about the Main Three instead of the Top Two. As well, the camerawork is a little shaky. A friend made the comment that the one real place that should be stoic is the bridge, yet I can really think of only one time where the bridge gets a brief moment without the camera moving all around. As well, I was a little bugged by the lights on the top of the bridge which keep coming into frame and overwhelming the picture, not to mention the fact that the "Trek" theme song doesn't come in AT ALL until the very end to what sounds like the exact same reading of Spock's "Space..the final frontier.." from Star Trek III. Really, J.J.? Couldn't you have gone back to Kirk stating the original "five year voyage" lines, ending with "no man" instead of "no one". But those are frankly pretty much the only nits I could pick for the whole film. Just please add more Scotty (and less of his little friend) to the next outing. Action, sex appeal, the beginnings of the friendship...not knowing what's going to happen next! "Star Trek" is fun again and I can't wait to experience it all again this weekend! A solid 4 out of 5....so says the King.
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Whether such online attention hurt "Wolverine" at the box office is debatable, but Fox's assertion of 4 million is about four times greater than previous estimates.
At last year's average ticket price of $7.18, the piracy could conceivably -- though not likely -- have cost Fox $28.7 million.
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May 07, 2009 8:10:34 PM CDT
Best Trek film. Stubborn fans don't deserve to watch it.
by damien chowder
I know a few people who hate it when they haven't watched it even though it's garnered rave reviews all over.
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the bigger point is that, if a movie that was actually GOOD (cough cough, Star Trek, cough cough) had leaked, then a lot of the people who had downloaded it and watch it, would have gone to see it in the theaters as well.no one is going to pay to see shit they have already seen, unless the effects, the story, and the spectacle warrant it. Wolverine is shit, and it still did huge numbers. if it would have spread it's shitty stain over even MORE tickets, I'm not gonna lose much sleep over it. the sequel has already been green lit, so let's not cry too hard.
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May 07, 2009 8:18:28 PM CDT
If you think about 99% of sci-fi concepts for 2 seconds...
by performingmonkey
...they fall apart! FFS, Star Trek is and shall always be a big load of bullshit in space, but that's why we love it!! You can't enjoy 40 years of Trek then start complaining about what Abrams and co did here.
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Having seen the film, I was going to post my dislike of it and how overpraised and overrated it's been, but Genrefanboy's excellent negative analysis of the film is spot on,so he's saved me the trouble.
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Made me happy. Did not regret buying a ticket. Will see it again. Pure gold, I tell ya!
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May 07, 2009 8:39:05 PM CDT
Can AICN please offer some negative or semi-negative reviews
by greenflame0
I'm sure we'll get Alexandra Dupont's review, but I saw the film and came away hugely disapointed (which I expected, as JJ Abrams and his team are mediocre writers).
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Where were the liberal platitudes dressed as profundities to make the audience aware that they were watching something "thought provoking?" How dare they not include a sanctimonious lecture on tolerance!!!
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May 07, 2009 8:51:20 PM CDT
Fun movie but wayyyy too many 'nuking the fridge' moments
by sifodyasjr.
But I still enjoyed it a lot. Too bad we'll have to wait years for the next one--wish they could do a series with this cast.
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This film succeeds in its primary mission: making Trek accessible to a mass audience. That's why Abrams was brought in. Yes, it fails on a coincidence and lazy writing level, but THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE MASS AUDIENCE, WHICH WANTS ENTERTAINMENT.
I went to the Thursday night premier tonight. Few identifiable Trekkies. Regular audience. First 7 pm showing sold out. Second auditorium about 85 percent full. People lined up for the 10 o'clock show. Audience liked what they saw, laughed in the right places, loved Simon Pegg, loved Boromir as McCoy, and really liked the scene where Uhura and Spock do the liplock on the transporter thing next to Kirk. That scene was really done well.
The movie does what it is supposed to do: entertains the mass audience and REALLY revives the franchise the way Batman Begins paved the way for the Dark Knight.
People leaving that film loved Star Trek. This movie will be a hit. Period.
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I would pay the 10 bucks again just to see the first ten minutes. The rest of the movie was great, dont get me wrong. BUT, it was nothing compared to the first ten minutes.
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Forget remakes, reboot prequel-sequels are the way to go. Bring on Terminator Salvation!
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Bliss. Pure Bliss.
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...I refuse to read it until he learns to paragraph.
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May 07, 2009 9:29:05 PM CDT
THIS MOVIE WAS AS GENERIC AS AN MTV MUSIC VIDEO…
by returnofthecreepythinman
This didn’t feel like a story being told, it felt like I was being bombarded with a checklist of thing’s that needed to happen. Generic villain with a beef because of the lost of his family = CHECK, generic villain has a generic doomsday device that threatens Earth = CHECK, lots of generic direlogue and generic banter used to hide the lack of actual wit and style by the writers = CHECK, an ultra fast pace that is used to paper over the cracks in this over convoluted story and hide the fact that there isn’t really anything new here apart from nice art direction, good photography (except when Kirk and Pike are talking in the bar FOR CUNTING FUCKS SAKES KEEP THE MOTHERFUCKING CAMERA STILL!!!) and flashy, state of the art C.G.I. The worst part was just how bland everything felt. Abrams really should stick to TV because this guy has got nothing to offer apart from flash which is not the same thing as style. The best Directors have a unique perspective, a point of view in which they manipulate the story. Brian DePalma made Mission : Impossible, another adaptation of a TV show, and although he was a Director for hire on that job, he still imbued that movie with a flavor that was distinctively his own. At this point I’m content to call Abrams a competent hack. He’s from TV and the way his movies are Written and Directed show it and lets not forget that he didn’t exactly use the cred from those shows to make any sort of personal work. He cashed those chips in to become a studio Yes Man and grab a hold of two big budget franchise pictures. . The worst thing that can be said about J.J. Abrams is that it’s obvious that he doesn’t put his heart into his work and it shows because when I watch Mission : Impossible 3 and Star Trek I don’t feel someone trying to tell me a story, I feel like someone is trying to distract me from their lack of interest in what they’re doing.
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I would have enjoyed it more if the coincidences had been a little less preposterous and the explanations of Nero's motivation more deftly handled. And why did the fucking engine room have to look like the "sets" from a movie that was once MST3K'd called "Space Mutiny"? Oh, and young Kirk stealing a car and listening to the Beastie Boys is like a kid doing that today and blasting some Brahms. Sheesh.
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OK, here's something I wondered at the end of the movie: I get that Nero's ship was being sucked through the singularity/black hole and was heavily damaged as it was, leading people to believe the ship was destroyed. But why should we think it was destroyed if, according to the plot of the movie, the ship already survived one trip through the black hole.
In other words, why is it that spock's ship and the Narada both survive intact, without any damage, but a planet doesn't? I can buy/theorize that the supernova collapsed upon itself and disappeared, affecting the black hole somehow...but here's the bottom line...
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why do people think it was the enterprise being constructed in iowa?
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but isn't the black hole created after the red stuff destroys whatever you use it on? First the planet is destroyed, then the black hole is created. When used on the ship, the ship was destroyed.
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Damn right. My tear count was approaching Return of the King by the time the titles came up. Incredible.
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doesn't explain why Nero and Spock made it through
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Bale be praised, you have gone professional! Keep it up, high five!
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Yeah, then this probably isn't for you.
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vulcan abridged edition
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Need to hire Kiefer Sutherland to headbutt the PAramount execs.
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Except for the events on Star Trek Enterprise, this movie totally wipes out almost 40 years of Star Trek........is this a separate reality or is this the main timeline that's been corrupted???
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Quick thoughts:
The music sucked. Wynona Rider sucked. Especially her makeup. She was totally miscast. Why not just cast an elderly lady? Does J.J. have a hard-on for her or something? Stoopid.
Spock-Uhura sucked. Just lame. Nero sucked ass. Bana was wasted and his character motivation made no sense. In fact, the storyline was just plain stupid. And why exaclty did Pike have to give up command to Kirk at the end? He was't all that screwed up!
Bones wasn't nearly as intense and crabby as he should have been. He was just a poor man's imitation of Deforrest Kelley.
Chris Pine has the worst friggin skin I have seen on a guy in ages. Wow. The dude has no good side! Really hard to watch in IMAX.
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May 07, 2009 9:54:51 PM CDT
FIRST CONTACT WAS THE LAST GOOD STAR TREK MOVIE!!!FACT!!!
by returnofthecreepythinman
Yeah, it felt like a two hour long episode of the TV show but Jonathan Frakes did a great job as Director and the acting was so rich in that movie. The only problem was the goofball shit with Zefram Cochran. Apart from that the flick had a nice horror vibe and good atmosphere.
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I just got home from my first viewing of the new STAR TREK film, and all I can say is WOW!!! This movie is nothing short of fucking awesome. The ONLY thing I can say that I think the film lacked is a a great score-I wish that Jerry GOldsmith had been around to put music to this one. But I have to say that Michael Giachino-sorry about the spelling-has produced a score that is perfectly suited to this film. The special effects work by ILM was flawlessly spectacular. And ALL of the actors gave vibrant, fun performances. Abrams nad company have won me over-BRAVO!!!
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I won't be able to see the film til Sunday (Digital) so cannot truly judge til then...I know Leonard Nimoy will be superb. If he wasn't participating in it, I'd wait until the DVD came out, but by my two sets of original Spock ears (one from the original series, and one from STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE), I'll be fair when I do see it and post on Sunday.
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http://tinyurl.com/qaefbk
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There was not a single distinctive piece of music except for the original TV theme and that was IT. A score needs to accentuate the emotion of what is happening on the screen and Michael Giacchino completely FAILED with this movie not to mention that he is one highly overrated motherfucker. Go back and listen to Jerry Goldsmith’s score for First Contact and then tell me that this asswipe is a good composer.
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As said in a post further up, this is an MTV-generation movie. All action scenes are machine-gun cut in such a way that it is impossible to discern any kind of spatial relationship between the parties involved. While this works to a degree in movies like The Bourne Identity, it has NO place in a fucking space battle. I mean, it's fucking SPACE, if there was ever a setting that has room for some longer shots to give a better feel for the grandness of scale, this is it. All of the space battles could have taken place in my bathroom. There was far too much going on in the plot to allow for any real development of any one idea, and Nimoy was WASTED here. The acting was adequate, but again, things happen so fast that there isn't any real time for exposition. One minute, Kirk is a townie in a bar fight, the next, he's on the Enterprise "taking the reigns". it's completely absurd in every respect. This comes in somewhere in the middle of the Trek movies WAY after The Wrath of Kahn, and even The Motion Picture (which is a vastly underrated film). And finally, can we PLEASE stop using the "time travel soluton" as a plot device? How many Trek films have they used that one in? Calling this film retarded is an insult to retarded people.
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This better not blow like everything else you've touched Orci; although from everything I'm reading the script and story are very, very weak. I've also read where this is loaded down with the typical Orci tween sense of humor. However, it seems the too young to drive and Mountain Dew crowd are lovin the CGI and "Action" though. Star and Trekious?I'll probably know by tomorrow night if I should pay to see this.
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I gave my comments on the score earlier, before you bother busting a blood vessel on me (like i could give a shit)...the score, by MOST Hollywood standards is pretty good..the theme is a little weak. Like most of your comments, you have a point, you just have the wrong conclusions.
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...go watch that Onion link you sad fuck
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I like to think human beings are evolved just enough to accept the Capt as a real person, rather than a plastic walking shtickbag.
One thing that works about this movie is this version of the characters absolutely feel like real fallibe people..
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gee, that was a very loud, flashy, yet underwhelming movie. I loved Star Trek for it's character development and sense of exploration. Granted it has jumped the shark more than any franchise in history, but this is the grandaddy of all shark jumping. Remember when NBC rejected the original pilot for being too intellectual? That ain't gonna happen here. Hope all the Jonas Brothers fans enjoy this film.
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Ugh. Whatever. I'm a Star Wars fan. I don't really care about this crap. I gave it a chance. I'll stick to watching "Voyager" re-runs if I want to enjoy Trek.
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May 07, 2009 10:18:13 PM CDT
WHY DID NERO'S SHIP HAVE TO LOOK LIKE AN H.R. GIGER PAINTING?
by returnofthecreepythinman
Considering that it was supposed to be a mining ship I found the design to be horribly out of place. Why does a mining ship need tenticles?
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I'm amazed how many people post their hate for this film who are clearly only trying to position themselves as cooler than the rest of the world. AICN has a disproportionate number of talkbackers who fall into the "if you like it I hate it because I'm better than you" personality disorder.
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Star Wars geeks cannot stomach the fact that this movie definitely proves Star Trek beats Star Wars.
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The films plot was a mess, and very clunky.
Nero was a piss poor villain.
The lights in the background on the bridge caused a camera glare, and it fucked with peoples eyes that were watching it.
The shakey cam was a horrible addition.
The music was basically out of Revenge Of The Sith.
Non Star trek fans in the cinema virtually all said, as an dumb action film it was 3 out of 5.
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1. Massive lens flares in every scene.
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a really fun blockbuster, this is how you do it.
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May 07, 2009 10:36:07 PM CDT
quantize, EAT SHIT YOU SIMPLE MINDED MONGOLOID FUCKSTICK!!!
by returnofthecreepythinman
DID YOU ENJOY THE PRETTY LIGHTS AND THE BOOM BOOMS YOU SHIT FLINGING MORON? WERE BORN OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS ASSHOLE BECAUSE HER PUSSY WAS TOO BUSY OR DID SHE MASH YOUR FUCKING BRAINS WITH THE COATHANGER SHE TRIED TO ABORT YOU WITH, SPECIFICALLY THE PART OF GREY MATTER (IN YOUR CASE BROWN SINCE YOUR SKULL IS FILLED WITH SHIT) THAT ALLOWS NORMAL, RATIONAL HUMAN BEINGS TO DETECT THINGS LIKE PACE, NUANCE AND QUALITY WHEN WATCHING A MOTION PICTURE? YEAH, I WATCHED THAT ONION VIDEO AND LAUGHED MY ASS OFF BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT TREKIES ARE LIKE. I MYSELF HAVE ONLY A PASSING INTEREST OF STAR TREK AND UNLIKE THOSE BASEMENT DWELLING VIRGINS THAT GO TO THE MOTHERFUCKING CONVENTIONS, I AM ACTUALLY CAPABLE OF CRITIQUING A MOVIE BASED ON IT’S ATTRIBUTES SUCH AS SCRIPT, DIRECTION, ACTING AND THE MOTHERFUCKING SCORE WHICH IN THE CASE OF STAR TREK 2009 WAS A COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING FAILURE BY THAT TONE DEAF PUSSYFACE WHO’S COCK YOU FUCKING ASSWIPES HAVE BEEN SUCKING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!!!
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MTV was like, 20 years ago. Star Trek has apparently leaped into the late 80's, and you fuckers at Hate It Cool News act like it's all too much. Good god. You're lucky that anyone even wanted to make a Star Trek movie. The others haven't exactly been box office gold.
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It was fantastic. I'm still going through the movie in my head and plan to see it again over the weekend. Plusses: Quinto, Bana (what we saw of him), Penn, Bones (Urban IS Bones McCoy) the visuals were beautiful, very funny, plenty of easter eggs for Trekkies. Minuses: Not enough Bana (seemed like a rushed characterization), Uhura annoyed the bejeezus outta me, Winona Ryder's whistly "S's" (but that's really all of her movies so she really cant help it). Can't wait to see it again.
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Haters can suck it and go back to watching Wolverine.
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"Wahh! Spock isn't supposed to have a girlfriend! Kirk is supposed to get promoted to Captain in Starfleet and THEN get the Enterprise! Pike is supposed to end up in a box beeping yes or no!!! Wahhh!"
New timeline, new stories motherfuckers. If you don't want to be a part of it, then go watch your TOS DVDs, your Next Generation DVDs, and your Enterprise DVDs. Go suck B&B's cocks.
I liked this movie a lot. The new timeline gives them a clean slate to work with-- It's all new again.
And think about it: This means that everything that happened in Next Generation didn't happen the way we saw it. Hopefully we won't see the Borg, and the Ferengi won't be met by the Federation for a hundred years or so (although they DID mention Cardassians, so maybe the Ferengi are already known by the Federation... Who knows?)
Weird changes in this timeline:
Orion women aren't slaves, and enroll in Starfleet.
Phasers fire bolts, not beams.
Transporters can't easily grab a moving target.
Pike doesn't end up maimed & mute.
Uhura and Spock? How'd that happen?
There appear to be no Andorians in Starfleet. Considering they were originally a founding race, I find that interesting.
No Caitians in Starfleet, either.
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But you know what the BEST thing is? This new timeline means that KLINGONS ARE THE ENEMY AGAIN. That's very cool. It was always a big mistake to make them allies. They're more interesting as enemies. -
May 07, 2009 10:41:24 PM CDT
As much as I hate JJ Abrams' ancillary media, read Countdown
by reflecto
It helps with Nero. I believe more of this shit should be in the final film, but I haven't seen it yet. I usually hate JJ Abrams and all his works, but I am looking fwd to this.
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May 07, 2009 10:42:29 PM CDT
If I have the alt timeline rules right, TNG timeline still exist
by reflecto
The franchise can do something with that era again someday, if it likes. Me, I'd do an animated online series with it.
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Just saw it tonight and thought it was amazing.
First: anyone who says the new Kirk doesn't stack up with the old one is just being loyal to Shatner. Pine's Kirk is awesome. He never comes across as a characteristic of an overly headstrong, self-confident ladies guy. He honestly pulls it off, something Shatner never really could.
Second: the special effects were the best I've seen in... ever? Not only were they visually stunning, but they felt legitimately authentic. They weren't in the Michael Bay-esq style of "I-want-you-to-shit-your-pants-while-having-a-seizure" cool. Better, they were in the "holy-shit-I'm-looking-at-the-Grand-Canyon-for-the-first-time" cool.
Third: the story just moves, and moves naturally. It never holds up yet never feels rushed.
Last: as a long-time Trek fan (only the second and sixth movies and TNG, DS9, though), I did miss the "Trek-feel" a bit. But that's okay. All things change. The new "Trek-feel" is more authentic, and that will disappoint some people who loved the idealistic feel of the original. Even if it does, though, give the new feel a chance.
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I can't fucking understand how anyone who likes star trek wouldn't like this movie... Seriously... get your fucking head out of your asses... this hating of the film makes me really hate this site... If you want to watch wrath of khan go watch it? You probably own it on tape, laserdisc, DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray, downloaded on your PC, and taped on your DVR from when it was on the movie channels... Instead of worrying about the new star trek, why not just get excited about the next media format you can own it in and forget all about this new movie that's so fucking great, people might just actually give a flying fuck about star trek, instead of letting it die like the covers lifted off a dutch oven, the way it has over the last ten years....
This movie was fucking great... If this movie came out of nowhere - were it not some kind of fucking sacred ground, fanboys would still be shitting their pants over how much they loved this movie...
It's like having a fucking 5 month old teething baby reading this site...
WHAT WILL MAKE YOU STOP CRYING!?!? I'M GOING TO SHAKE YOU!!!!! SHAKE YOU UNTIL YOU STOOOOOOP....
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quite a feat for such an angry retarded child.
you are a drop kick loser..go fuck yourself..oh scratch that, no doubt thats a daily occurrence in your sad sack of shit world -
http://tinyurl.com/pno7e3
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I wnet in with high expectations. They were all exceeded
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May 07, 2009 10:57:30 PM CDT
Abrams StarTrek?... I'll catch it on the torrents thanx.
by scriptgirl_nipples
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First off, the movie was fantastic. Not sure how they could have done better. I believed the new iterations of these characters, love that they didn't crap all over the older version of Star Trek because this created an alternate timeline--which somehow seems to me like it leaves the original version as still cannon and yet puts us in new, unpredictable, and potentially dangerous and novel territory, yet with these original, familiar characters. Haters are just goofy.
On to what may be an odd comment, but, did anyone else notice two scenes that closely paralleled scenes in the animated movie Treasure Planet? I saw two that I thought could have been inspired by the scenes in that movie (familiar with it only because my young son likes to watch it from time to time, and it's a pretty cool animated flick.) The one with the kid driving the car so wrecklessly, and where they ended up riding the explosion out of the black hole. They were not ripped from the other movie in all their particulars, but they reminded me of the other scenes right away. (Not saying they stole them or anything, just wondering if anyone else found these scenes so simlar to the ones in the other movie.)
So, is there any chance Khan gets left with the Botany Bay on a sand planet, Spock ever needs to be reborn on Genesis, Kirk eventually has a son to lose to a Klingon bastard--any of it--happen now??? -
And in the sixth year after its death, Star Trek did rise from the ashes like a grand, victorious phoenix.
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May 07, 2009 11:07:29 PM CDT
The NEW 4 minute Terminator 4 trailer looks FUCKING SWEET!
by scriptgirl_nipples
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I agree with many of the critiques here, but the question I have to ask myself... do I want to see it again in the theater? And the answer is yes. Music = letdown. Only a few grand establishing shots, also a let down. Also, unlike the original Star Trek movies, the ship's interior design doesn't seem to be well thought out. The engine room seems like they ran out of money and just found an chemical plant. Those details made the first few Trek films great. But overall, I am please. I didn't like any of the Trek films since Star Trek 6, this one is the first one that feels like a real Star Trek film and not just an extended episode. (Okay, First Contact was okay)...
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allusions to the original Star Trek movies. Many nods...
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He's the most irritating, juvenile yet arrogant, person in the talkback thread so far.
I wanted to make sure everybody noticed. -
Wow, that was epic.
That said, you need urgent psychiatric assistance. -
Seen it twice. It's not a good enough film to pay to see it again. As I said, just catch the film on the torrents in about 3 days.
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May 07, 2009 11:20:45 PM CDT
Fuck!.. It's probably leaked on the torrents already.
by scriptgirl_nipples
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May 07, 2009 11:23:39 PM CDT
quantize, WHEN I FLAME SOMEONE I PUT MY HEART INTO IT....
by returnofthecreepythinman
You also seem to be under the impression that I'm screaming at my computer when I write something like that. That's just not the case. What I'm doing is thinking "what type of evil, nasty shit can I throw at this person for a laugh". No human being could go through life as angry as my previous post suggests. What really dissapoints me is the lack of quality insults from the likes of you.
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May 07, 2009 11:23:40 PM CDT
Seeing some names I know bashing this...is it Twitter Trek?
by conspiracy
Ya know...small random thoughts, for people with small attention spans, to whom "Gr8" is a word? Everything I'm beginning to see from around the net has me worried that this is indeed another JJ/Orci wank fest without the least bit of heft or heart. Who needs character development, thoughtful story lines, eloquent scripting and sometimes deep ideas when you have bright lights, big noises and some skin. I'll know for sure later...but this is sound like it is a GREAT movie for the ceiling mobile/Ritalin munching crowd.
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Yeah, it wasn't like the older movies, but come on, this is 2009. You can't make a film today that moves like one from the 1980's. The disorienting aspects worked in some scenes.
Now for the Imax critique: everyone I was with was underwhelmed by the Imax experience though. I had to keep craning my neck up and look side to side to see the whole movie. Half the time, when I wasn't staring at the actors' skin pores and Pine's bad skin, I could barely make out what was happening on screen, and I couldn't even tell you what the red monster on the ice planet looked like. To me it was just a big red blur. I guess it just has to be the 'right' movie for Imax. I'm going to have to see ST on a smaller screen to better enjoy it.
Despite all this, I still liked quite a bit. All the actors were great. I mean, EVERYONE brought their acting A-game for a summer blockbuster, and Pine as Kirk had great chemistry and repartee with all the others. -
May 07, 2009 11:25:50 PM CDT
scriptgirl_nipples..Not yet..Monitoring TPB,BTMON and LIME here.
by conspiracy
As I said...I'm reviewing this shit before I pay to see it. If it is a 7 out of 10 I'll pay...otherwise I'll just hit "delete"
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behind watchmen, taken, observe and report, and Wolverine, thats right, i said it, star trek is a lot better movie, but i had more fun with Wolverine, watchmen needs no explanation in my opinion, liam neeson ricked the shit out of taken, and observe and report is only because i love dark comedies, list should change though over next month and a half, or i hope it does....
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Ebert doesn't know what the hell hes talking about. He must have taken like 20 bathroom breaks during the movie because his bitches about plotholes are completely unsubstantiated.
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and i meant to say rocked the shit out of taken......
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May 07, 2009 11:35:49 PM CDT
Observe and Report. Wasn't that the Paul Blart remake?
by scriptgirl_nipples
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Somehow I suspect the temporal authorities from TNG era (and the DS9 episode) Trials and Tribbleations will step in and correct the timeline.
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He will step in and correct the timeline.
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a fucked up remake...
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Enterprise wasn't affected in this universe & still exists. And they tackled the Borg found from First Contact. So let's have Kirk meeting the Borg, and have them destroy the Federation and assimilate Earth.
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Let's start with the bad...
CONS
1. Shaky cam
- While it never quite reaches the levels of nausea-inducing madness of Eagle Eye's car chase, it's still a bit much to take.
2. Lens flares
- Blinding!
3. Phaser sound effects
- AKA High-pitched deafness makers when pumped through an IMAX theater's sound system.
And now the good...
PROS
1. Rachel Nichols' giant green tits
- Gaila's fun bags are spectacular in IMAX. Worth the higher admission price. I want her back for the sequels. Love the green bitch!
2. Megan Fox in the Transformers 2 trailer
- Lucky fucking motorcycle.
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IF you do not get that it does. You need to take it outside.
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and all I can say is.. remember when movies used wide shots in action scenes.. I can.. good times..
Overall, I thought the movie was good, but not the greatest movie like the shills on this site make it out to be. -
Oh Fuck no. Picture the cast of Felicity dressed in black with a sound track by Panic at the Disco...do you really want that?If this is indeed as good as Trek gets from here on out..please do not fuck with what has been. Come on JJ/Orci...at some point doesn't property rape get boring even for professionals like yourselves?
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There ya go...another well thought out, eloquent review for the 21st century. are you sure it wasn't "Sick" or "gr8" or "cash"?We are all fucking doomed.
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It rocked! Wrath of Kahn is now the second best Star Trek movie.
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As much as I enjoyed ST, it'll be a long time (if ever) before I go see another Imax movie. My neck is still sore from all the looking up.
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Geddy, Neil and Alex pown Canada and the U.S..
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Terminator Salvation will FUCK Star Trek, up it's impulse drive exhaust.
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Highly recommended, and see it in IMAX if you can (saw it at the newly-converted theater at Lincoln Square Cinemas in Bellevue, WA). This is Nimoy's second best role after WoK.
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I don't know how anyone who considers themselves a fan of Star Trek can defend that abomination. I went in with very high hopes, but this was a bad parody of Galaxy Quest at best. I'm sure non-Trekies will love it and it'll make millions, but Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek died today. Voyager was better than that trash, that's something I never thought I'd say. The cast was good, the effects were good, all the technical aspects were great, but there was no story. Star Trek was all about the story, that's why a series with crappy cardboard sets and dogs with fake horns attached to their heads spawned a 40 year legacy. That legacy ended today.
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Did anyone else notice in the flashback Nero apparently on the Klingon Prison planet doing hard labor? Also caught the bit about Admiral Archers Beagle nice touch. It was a very well made and acted film I look forward to more. If only Nimoy's dentures fit better.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Kirk's chair has more screen time! -
Bob Orci and all involved.
I'm going to go there and say not only was this the best Star Trek film, this was one of the funnest experiences I've had at the theater, I'm talking A New Hope level fun. There was more heart and emotion in the first 5 minutes of this film than the majority of films released in the last 10 years, including the entire Matrix and Star Wars trilogies. I cannot say enough good about this film. It is alive and involves you.
To the 4 or 5 jaded bitter cocksuckers that find fault with this film, you have no pulse, and I don't want to hear a God damn thing you have to say. About anything. THIS film, is why motion pictures are made.
Im very pleased with this film and love it, it exceeds the fucking hype. -
Hayden Panettiere as Janice Rand.
She'd look hot in a red mini dress. -
Don't blame the format for your decision to sit that close to the screen. I've seen enough IMAX DMR movies to know you don't want to sit eye-level with a giant black letterbox bar.
That said, there is NO WAY I'm subjecting myself to Michael Bay's camerawork on IMAX. I'll be seeing Transformers 2 on a regular movie screen, thank you very much. -
I agree a hundred percent!
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Fuck!.. he'd blow your fucking eardrums apart.
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local, local, i ask, where is the musics of yoko?
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May 08, 2009 12:20:43 AM CDT
EBERT SAID TRANFORMERS WOULD GET 4 STARS IF
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
IT WASNT FOR THE ROBOTS.
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The second trailer (with young Kirk's car stunt at the beginning) has some footage of prisoner Nero, including that final shot where he says, "The wait is over."
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...so says the Boston Globe:
http://tinyurl.com/best-prequel-ever
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When spock and kirk first meet up with scotty on vega IV.
And it gets mentioned that scotty tested his transwarp theory on "ADMIRAL ARCHER'S PRIZE BEGAL".
which has never been seen since
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I seriously hope you read this man.
You guys have nothing to prove to anyone. Especially the joyless sacks of shit on this site.
I'm 35 years old man, the scene with George Kirk and then the fade into the opening credits, I realised I had tears streaming down my face. You guys have done right and the Lords work. Don't let two detractors posting under 15 handles dissuade you. This film is incredible, and completely and utterly captures the spirit of not only Trek, but why films are made.
I want you all to know my screening here in Louisville was sold out, and there was an ovation at the end. THIS film, is why I fell in love with Star Trek. The sheer unadulterated fun and heartbeat at the center of the story. You guys reminded and reinforced why I love these characters. Bravo Bob Orci. Tell J.J. this Trek fan from the 70's is in love with this film. -
Know what? I watch movies to enjoy them, especially genre movies - sci-fi in particular. Now, I haven't seen Star Trek yet, but it seems to me a good portion of you gentlemen went into this wanting to hate it at all costs. Now, I'll prolly see this Monday or Tuesday and make up my own mind, but some of you guys are the epitome of why people make fun of us geeks. Star Trek was NEVER, NEVER high art. Even Wrath of Khan, as great as it is, is a simple revenge flick with themes about growing old. Reciting Melville or Shakespeare does not a "deep" movie make. The only Star Trek movie thus far that was any deeper than a deep dish pizza box was The Motion Picture.
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and as a businessman I salute you there. I just really wish you had an ounce of soul or self respect.I'll know by this weekend if this is your "Godfather", but from what I've read I very much doubt it.
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...but the one I saw it in was a bubble, planetarium type theater. In fact the auditorium is in a flight and space museum. Wherever you sat, unless it was at the very, very top, you were craning your neck up and swiveling it around.
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watched New Star Trek = much fun. They got it right - by remembering all the special effects and sci-fi stuff doesn't mean anything unless you have the core friendships. Enjoy a well done big goofy but exciting Summer movie. Not perfect but a nice roller coaster to take a spin on a few time during the summer.
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Seriously, you are a tool. It's fucking Star Trek.
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and it is a beautiful film that captures the essence and spirit of everything that is Star Trek. Too bad you;re too jaded to enjoy it. Oh well.
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I loved the movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I agree, best since Khan. Better than Khan? I don't know. Maybe.
Two off notes:
"Red Matter"
"Like a Lightning Storm in Space"
We couldn't have done better than *that* guys?
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If your looking for an "epic" movie, this isn't it. It is, good fast paced fun. Maybe a bit too fast, I recommend reading the Star Trek - Countdown trade paperback book before seeing Star Trek as it will help flesh out some details about Nero. I'm not sure I'm liking the Uhura and Spock hook up?? And too much shaky cam is distracting. But those are minor quibbles. Overall, this was fun and Captain Pike was Great!!
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THIS MOVIE BLEW MY MIND!
Wow, I was a casual Trek fan, I watched TNG/DS9, never got into the Voyager and beyond era (that's when Trek started getting SUPER pretentious and horrible)...but i can totally get behind this reboot. Brilliantly, brilliantly executed movie. Any hater that says otherwise...
Well, you should really just go pick up a .357, put it to your temple, and pull the trigger, 'cause obviously you don't enjoy life. This movie was almost perfect. -
In all truth and candor, I can honestly say having ived through all of the event pictures going back to the 70's and a New Hope and Jaws, this is probably one of my favorite movies I've ever seen. Not a small claim for a film fan that's pretty much seen it all. This movie has so much going for it, I find myself wanting to see it again and talk about it. THAT, is the quintessential essence of a good film.
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I just don't cry at movies. I'm not saying that it makes me better than you, even though it obviously does. I just think, and here's just some healthy advice, that you save your tears for moments of pure joy or pure pain. Like the birth of your first child, or the death of your only child. Not a movie about spaceships and dudes with pointy ears.
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What the hell?! Was she left on the cutting room floor and if so who do I seek out for the beatdown.
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I don't cry at movies either. Ever.
But when George Kirk steps up and assumes the mantle and sacrifices himself for his crew and demonstrates courage, honor, integrity, valor, and he and Wynona Kirk are discussing naming their son, with explosions and phaser fire all around them rocking the ship, I looked around and noticed tears bro, this was epic shit on a Star Wars level we were witnessing here. This was champions and heroes being made. This film fucking owns and rules. -
Question for all of you. How do we reconcile the death of Spock’s mother Amanda in the context of “Journey to Babel” and ST IV? Also, the destruction of the Vulcan planet to “Amok TIme,” ST IV, etc? Did those episodes/movies just not happen?
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I am a father and that scene with George Kirk brought tears to my eyes too. Because I know I'd give anything for my daughter and my wife, including my life, like Kirk's father did. Great movies elicit emotion and moments of emotional connectivity. Whether you can identify or simply just understand the depth of the connection is irrelevant. You sir, think you're awesome for denouncing a fellow geek for expressing how he connected to a great movie opening, but really, you're just a sad individual whose opinions in talkbacks are quite meaningless. You look like a moron with comments like that.
Maybe you should cry about your pitiful attempt to be cool?
This movie was brilliant. You haters really have nothing else to do, no agenda that matters but to hate on EVERY movie out there, especially ones with mass appeal. Noone cares, that's the sad thing. -
This POS completely misses the point of Star Trek. It's not about big CGI action sequences. Trek is about the human condition. This movie was garbage.
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really need to keep their lame-ass senses of humor out of their scripts.
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Well, I thought it was ok. This is definitely for the younger Trekkies. By the way, that thing that they shoved into Pike, was that one of those aliens from the end of TNG season 1? The ones that took over Starfleet HQ?
Bad stuff:
1.)Uhura, I wanted to slap her. She was a whiney bitch. I use to be in the Navy and we would not put up with that kind of shit.
2.)I didn't like some of the dialogue. Especially when they were running around the ship they were not-so-loudly saying "move it". Dude, yell "make a hole!" like you mean it.
3.)Didn't really like Anton Yelchin as Chekov. But I loved the part when he was trying to say "Victor" and the computer didn't understand him.
Good:
1.)I thought Chris Pine did a great job as Kirk. He had that cockyness and swagger down.
2.)Urban, Quinto, and Pegg were great as well.
3.)Red shirt got killed! It wouldn't be Trek without a red shirt dying.
4.)USS Truman being mentioned. Truman was the aircraft carrier I served on in the Navy. Hoorah!
Odd things: Laughing quite a few times during a Trek movie.
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They aren't reconciled man, it's a new timeline. George Kirk died, Amanda Grayson died, Vulcan is gone. Elder Spock is trapped in the new timeline. Nero by using a blackhole didn't just alter the timeline, he created a parallel alternate reality where some things play out as before, but others are brand new for new adventures.
Jedimaster, Im feeling you man, I didnt expect it either, but talking about naming your child while the God damn ship blowing up around you, these people Bob Orci , Alex, and JJ, they did it man, they really did it. -
No, they don't exist anymore in the Abrams universe.
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Spock/Uhura thing felt like it came out of nowhere. I was like "Huh? Wha???"
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Dammit! And I'm not gay.
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Great movie...thoroughly entertaining from start to finish! Too late to write a proper review but probably the best Trek next to Kahn. The haters can bitch all they want while they feel up their Deanna Troi action figure in their parent's basement.
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Fuck man, are you apart of Paramounts HUGE publicity campaign or are you just smoking come serious shit.
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Human condition qualifying sequences:
George kirk giving his life to save hundreds. Self-sacrifice and love.
Spock denouncing his vulcan half before the council out of love for his mother. Loyalty and love.
Pike, Spock, and Bones helping Jim fulfill his destiny and realize the importance of the Federation. Friendship, loyalty, respect, reverence for other life and peace between life forms.
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I have to give the movie props for distracting (in a good way). I've been dealing with some anxiety issues, possibly even social anxiety issues. I was very keyed up tonight and almost left the movie, but once the movie started picking up pace about 15 or so minutes into it I started feeling better (I get over it when I have something to focus on) and stuck around.
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This is exactly how you restart a franchise: you grab the essence of what drew fans to the original in the first place. Everyone involved did a fantastic job of creating an entertaining, emotional thrill ride of a "Star Trek" film. How do I know this is going to be a blockbuster? All the positive comments I soaked in waiting to leave the theater. I haven't heard that type of positive feedback from a post-film experience in years. I'm pretty happy: "Star Trek" is in theaters RIGHT NOW and I want to enjoy it again and again.
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Neither. I don't work for Paramount, and I don't smoke dope.
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And douche heartily. Your little act is tired and unappreciated.
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It's got a definite A New Hope positivism vibe that I vaguely recall from '77. Now, I don't pretend it will make the cash, or the impact A New Hope did, but there's the same thing going on. The post Anti-hero era has begun. These people in this film are heroes all, good guys. Society needs that.
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"Maybe you should cry about your pitiful attempt to be cool?" Nah, don't think I'll be doing that. I'm entitled to my opinion, regardless of whether or not you agree or disagree with it. Either way, I'm completely unaffected by what a person on a talk back thinks of said opinion, and you should probably take that advice as well. Actually, scratch that. I was actually affected by Josh's retort that he never cries at movies, because it appears he is sincere. I don't agree with his assessment of the movie, but can appreciate the sincerity of his conviction. And I agree, my opinions don't mean shit to you, because you can't comprehend the other side whatsoever. If it doesn't fit in with whatever geek code you adhere to, it's shunned immediately. You can respond if you'd like, just know I won't be around to read it. This TB has grown tiresome. But feel free to rip me to shreds to boost your nerd cred. Cheers!
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Swollen hands? Really? Ice monsters just for the sake of having CG ice monsters... Ok... Apparently dialogue for Romulans is supposed to be relegated to grunting and histrionics. When Bana yelled "Spock!" toward the end I thought I was going to shoot Coke out of my nose. Why did Uhura have to be such a whore? The one standout female member of the crew and her idea of consoling Spock is to fuck him? Uhhh... and what the fuck is Tyler Perry doing in here? Scotty was a Hoot and Sulu kicking ass with a sword was cool, but there was way too much silly stuff going on for me to take the rest of it seriously. Nokia and Beastie Boys 300 years in the future or however long it was? Really? At least Bruce Greenwood was there to lend some credibility. Hopefully the sequel will be a 4 to 5 star flick instead of this just plain ok 3 star movie.
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It was a big summer blockbuster about two ships blowing the fuck out of each other, with a smart script and good characters. It was NOT about "the human condition," despite the subplot about Kirk's aging. It was not an exploration of a lot of Roddenberry philosophizing. That was TMP. TWOK was a submarine thriller. Voyage Home was a comedic quest. TUC was a political thriller. Let's not pretend these were all deep, probing examinations of the psyche. They had character elements, as this film does, but they were not "Solaris."
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Where theres tons of cool shit packed into every frame and no time is wasted narratively. Awesome, super fun movie. I bet this'll have huge legs.
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Some of these talkbacker comments (like joshuavance1701) are fucking great character development traits.
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was the camraderie in the audience, the unscripted laughing and cheering at the relevant moments. This is a very engaging film that audiences for whatever reason participate in. There was no looking around to see how someone would react if you clap. It was spontaneous, loud cheering and laughter at the appropriate cues.
I've seen alot of films in my life at theaters, name one big movie and I've seen it going back to STar Wars in '77. I can't recall the last time an audience burst out clapping when the film ended. They didn't for Dark Knight. They didn't for Indiana Jones. They didn't for Transformers. Matrix, Revenge of the Sith. You name it.
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I can't wait to see you by the second weekend, you daft queef.
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What exactly is bizarre? The fact a movie brought me to tears or he fact I have the sack to admit it on a public forum?
Trust me, no one was more surprised than me in this era of CGI fuckfests that a film would have a little humanity. No one was more surprised. I've seen the Matric and the Prequel Trilogy too you know, actually, I've seen every big genre film you can name going back to A New Hope in '77 in the theater. I can't recall a feel good film like this in QUITE awhile. Maybe years. -
The movie bored the FUCK out of me. I am new to the franchise and this killed any interest I might have had. Paper-thin plot with too many characters, too much weightless action, too many inside "jokes" that weren't funny but people insisted on laughing at (seriously, where were the punchlines?) and cliche after cliche after cliche after cliche.
There was literally nothing in this I hadn't seen before. Not terrible. Just not worth watching. It almost put me to sleep. But Trekkies will probably like it.
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And why are people hating on the music? I liked the music, stood out more than any other score in recent memory.
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It's action packed. You never get bored with it. But, there's really no buildup to a major event like they do in the old series. This one is wall to wall action. The Characters were pefect, though. Scotty was a TAD overdone, but I liked him
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As someone said, it's cool to hate. Cool. Bully for you. While the rest of us are having a good time and enjoying this nice little treat, the rest of you can sit around and bitch and moan and complain. Fuck you, you stupid motherfuckers. You don't deserve to be happy.
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Scotty was the absolute worst aspect of "Dawson's Trek" - by far. All of the attempts at humor were ham-fisted and lame. The Wonka sequence, the "foam-finger" sequence, the cheesebag Orion slave-girl as Uhura's roommate. We're talking "ST:V" levels of incompetence on the humor front. Overall, it was beyond competent filmmaking - but it never gelled as TREK. I had zero emotional connection to the characters, just nothing. Not until Leonard Nimoy intoned the familiar "Space, the final frontier" speech over the only fragment of a real score in the entire movie did it actually feel like MY TREK. More later.
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Glad to see I wasn't the only one.
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I think it's hilarious that the majority of people giving a negative review are simply stating what they didn't like about it without feeling the need to personally attack anyone while the ones who LOVED it feel the need to insult those who don't share their opinion. I guess you're not allowed to think outside of the herd these days. "Rotten Tomatoes says it's good so it has to be good, right?! You're a fucking idiot for not sharing the exact same opinion as mine!!!" That says a lot about the kind of people they are...
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Who are the writers of this overrated horse shit? Oh yeah that's right the same slacked jawed backwoods retards who wrote Transformers. Glad I didn't play for this shit.
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now you got the witty jokes rolling! ...fuck you and that paper weight your deluded pumpkin for a head imagines is aheart.. you humorless douchebag..you're so fucked in the head you wouldn't know when you're being owned.
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I'm sorry, but other than the changing history thing, I saw very little difference between this movie and TOS. Much of the character story and background was canonical and that which wasn't didn't seem too far off the mark. My only concern was the art direction: 1) this is one butt-ugly Enterprise 2) please don't shoot a film for ninety mil plus and then use the Sun Valley power facility as three separate locations. Nothing looks worse than doubling concrete anchors and steel I-beams as the interior of a starship. It's like old school Dr. Who. The front door of the Delta Vega facility looks like the outside entrance to the public restroom at Chevron. But small nits to pick for a film I thoroughly enjoyed.
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..it only screams to everyone that you are are twat
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Except it wasn't.
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and mentally challenged..ok the film wasnt perfect, anyone with a shred of honesty (that aint Harry - he's too busy spooging on himself) will admit that...but for the most part, it was exciting, great looking and emotionally involving. If you cant get that from it you are utterly dead inside. And i say this as someone who hates most of JJ's other work.
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Fair enough. I'm GLAD that you've been touched by the hand of God with this movie.
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that this is a alternate timeline.. and just enjoy the fucking movie! I thought the movie was great and i'm a long time Trek fan since i was a young boy. Trek fans should be happy that at least the studios are willing to bring back Trek from the Dead and breath some life.... long live trek and prosper bitches!! It's going to be a great ride from here!
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The worst thing I can say is "I really wish there had been more", mostly in terms of depth. But I seriously haven't had this much fun watching a movie in a theater in decades. The future is bright!
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That's It!... That's it exactly.
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The hand of God had nothing to do with it, but I tell you what,
when a young man is alone looking death in the face talking about "name him Jim" to his young wife who he was looking forward to raising his child with, and duty steps up and calls you to make a sacrifice so that others including your newborn child can go on, that's some pretty powerful potent shit going on there. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one film in recent memory, ANY movie, that had that sort of adult concept shit going on. Thats some powerful human condition shit- self sacrifice for love. -
WOW, the film was more than I could have hoped for. It was soooooo great to watch a Star Trek film with LIFE back in it. Thank you Mr. Abrams and everybody involved in this films creation. I already have my tickets for another viewing this weekend. What a great movie, a great GREAT movie. Live long and prosper!
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As a matter of fact, there is SO MANY themes going on in this film, adult themes, beneath the action, set-pieces, CGI, that if someone can with a straight face proclaim this film is shallow or lacking depth, in all truth, they are either 18, haven't lived yet, or a sociopath lacking human empathy.
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Kirk on Hoth, Sulu with a light saber, the sound of Spocks ship is the same as a Star Wars ship, bug to tell truth WOK, Cloverfield shacky cam, winonna ryder?, Spock and Uhura, Teleport across space?, Red Matter?, Looked like Dow Corning in the engine room (what was that!), atmosphere skydiving, gets captain by sneaking on ship...
Even with flaws, all in all ok - See I luv Trek and Abrams -- but this match had some issues... I personally felt the same after Star Wars ROTS -- I am still looking for that joy I had for Aliens, Empire Strikes Back, etc... This unfortunately was not it for me -- Good fun, not genre defining nor original...
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Kirk being born. Shuttles fly around Enterprise. And the Spock/Spock scene at the end. There, i said it dammit!
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All of you. Just please, end this talkback now. It's an abomination. Even the prequel talkbacks were more entertaining than this.
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The movie is unabashedly fun. I love what they've done with Kirk and Spock- two characters that have very similar losses in their new-timeline past. I love how Pine channeled Kirk, liberating the character from Shatner's iconic portrayal without betraying anything that's been established. I love how Quinto's Spock is new yet familiar too. And little moments, like Kirk eating an apple during the Kobayashi Maru (like he was when he told Saavik of the test in KHAN) made me feel at home.
Look, the villain was borderline worthless, but it didn't phase me. My biggest concern was whether Abrams could capture "lightning in a bottle" like Roddenberry managed with the original show. Abrams succeeded at the most diffcult tasks. STAR TREK is exactly the movie we've been waiting to see. -
why would you even bother saying something so moronic? chances of anyone shutting up because some crack in the wall like you says so?
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Fuck Terminator and Christian lights out Bale! Resistance is futile bitches:)
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May 08, 2009 2:18:07 AM CDT
I cried too- well, mostly because I was sitting on my balls
by yackbacker
H/T to Dave Attell for that line- I've been using it regularly since 1999.
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Dude, it's a lot of fun.
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You aren't the only one who was thinking about banging the hell out of Winona. All I could think to myself when she was on-screen was, "Damn...that square top of hers has to be big to contain all that tit flesh!" 'Cause she has some nice and BIG cans... Oh, and I liked the "reboot". 'Nuff said.
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That musical sequence of the U.S.S. Kelvin's final moments is a TOTAL Abrams/Giacchino cliche... but it fucking works. As soon as the main title appeared, I knew this was gonna be gooooood.
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It sounds like you saw the movie in an Omnimax Theater. We got one of those at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.
Yeah, those screens are NOT meant for IMAX DMR movies. Whoever decided to show Star Trek in that theater should be fired. Omnimax screens should ONLY be used for IMAX films that feature a lot of fisheye lens footage, since the curve of the screen perfectly negates the lens distortion. Go ride Soarin' Over California to get an idea what I'm talking about. -
that all of the people who didn't like it present their opinion in an intelligent and clear way. The people who loved it rely on FUCK U HATERS,SUCK GAY COCK, THIS MOVIE IS THE ROXXOR! This pretty much sums up the level of intelligence this film has been aimed at.
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I'll be waiting impatiently for a hi-res photo of Rachel Nichols as Gaila to appear online. As soon as that happens, my laptop has a new wallpaper.
Until then, I'll have to content myself with this crappy scan. Still stroke-worthy, though.
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Your wish has been granted and the banhammer has fallenNow wish me a huge penis and a million quid before the magic wears off
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Any alleged "Trek" fan that didn't enjoy THE HELL out of this film, grew entirely too accustomed to Berman/Braga era self important, technobabble ridden yawn inducing Trek and misses the entire point of the Star Trek concept, which was ALWAYS about campy fun and action with a moral underpinning. This film is seriously epic and so thoroughly engrossed in the Trek concept it's stunning. Yet magnificently at the same time, plays to a broader audience just wanting to go along for a ride. Damn I'm impressed by this movie. I can honestly see why it has 94 percent rating on Rottentomatoes and has been universally praised not only by this site, but by any film critic in general. THIS movie, was what we all wanted and hoped the Prequel Trilogy to be. HEART plus action set pieces. I can't remember a film that immediately wanted me to not only see it again, and talk about it, but anxiously anticipate a sequel.
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Yeah, Been there. Damn IMAX theater seats are smaller than your average two year old.
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...those scenes referenced above, AND when the Enteprise arose out of the clouds of Titan. Homyghod, what a moment!
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Still taking refuge in irony, I see?
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May 08, 2009 3:18:42 AM CDT
After the prologue i turned to my friend and asked..
by billypilgrimisunstuck
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Loved it, by the way.
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What about the million quid though?
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How's it going there, li'l fella? Like your Trek?
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How's it going there, li'l fella? Like your Trek?
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Seriously, I'm not a fan of Transformers, but I loved The Island, MI3 and now Star Trek. I can barely wade through the assholes here and it isn't even my work they are trying to tear apart. Congrats on being far more patient than I.
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...is what happens when you get company writers and a TV director to play with originality and lots of cash....Star Trek
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Died the valiant, noble death the asshats Berman and Braga should have given James Kirk- Alone on a starship saving countless lives living up to duty and honor. That's a heroes death fuckers. My GOD I'm relieved Berman and Braga didn't give us another half-ass motel channel movie of Trek. This is how Star Trek has been BEGGING to be done since 1969.
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May 08, 2009 3:40:47 AM CDT
Joss Whedon's Serenity Puts The New Star Trek To Shame!!!
by media messiah
The new Star Trek film is an overrated borefest. Yes, this isn't your father's Star Trek, because your father's Star Trek was/is better than this film, by light years! Anyone telling you that this is a good or great film, is simply not telling you the truth. Although I mostly loved JJ Abram's Alias and Mission Impossible 3...I now fully believe Abram's when he claims that he was not a fan of the original Star Trek, as it shows in his pedestrian work here. We learned nothing of consequence about the background of the characters in this film, which was twice as long as it needed to be, BTW...and characters such as Spock's father, Chekov, Christoper Pike and Sulu, were jarringly miscast...as they did not look or feel like the original actors? While there were some rich looking shots in this movie, much of the film looked cheap, like an episode of any of the new Trek television shows over that last 2 decades?Strangely, the new film felt like thrown together composites of scenes from other Trek films? In terms of quality, execution, or lack thereof, the new Trek falls between Star Trek: First Contact, Star Trek: Insurrection, and Star Trek: Nemesis. I don't mind the Star Trek: First Contact feel...as t is largely a so-so to good film, but not great, by any means. However, while Contact was somewhat entertaining, Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis were lousy films, and much of the new Trek film takes the shape of of the lesser Next Generation movies lke those that I mentioned.The audience I saw the film with was largely silent and bored...and I can honestly say that Wolverine was a better film...and that was a major disappointment, too, and even amateurish at times. In conclusion, I invite anyone to see the new Star Trek film and then watch Joss Whedon's Serenity. If you are being honest, you will have to admit, Joss Whedon out did JJ Abram's at every turn as a director, as well, he bested the writers of the new Trek, by leaps and bounds. Joss' direction carried great spirit and excitement, and his script was deft...and equally as spirited. Yes, Serenity is far superior to that of the neo Trek in all arenas. And yes, Trek has a superior budget, but dramatically...and emotionally...Joss pulled a near tour-de-force with Serenity, one which leaves JJ Abrams in the dust, in respect to the new Trek, like a master compared to a student.The reviews of the major critics, so far, have delivered the new Trek rich standing ovations, but these critics' raves are undeserved...and must be bought? Roger Ebert reportedly hates the new Trek film, and I have to say that if that is indeed true, Roger is right. This is a movie that you keep waiting to start, but it never goes into ignition? Lastly, the very worst scenes in the film feature Mr. Nimoy, to my complete and utter shock??? Now I know why Matt Damon took a pass on this film. Clearly he read the script.
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Cripes you guys sound like Sean Hannity after Obama won. Your tears nourish me ..really. Here are the facts. The movie will make tons of cash. There will be three minimum sequels and * Gasp!* people will like it..alot. But hey it gets you guys off going into threads and being a bag of douche. Sucks to be you. I just got back from the 12 showing and really enjoyed it. They pretty much nailed Trek. Some quibbles but it was a very good movie and filled my trek wishes and needs. Could have have more Kirk being captain but the next movie should have that.
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Is that supposed to be a film? "Serenity?" You mean the feeling I felt after seeing Trek? Huh. Fascinating.
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Great film! I only wish the bad guy Nero had a little more 'meat' to him. *sigh* Good thing I read the comic book, gives the guy a little more back story and recommend it to everyone to read. Still, awesome film. Will probably see it a couple more times. This film will have 'legs' in the box office I have a feeling!
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My buddy and I were just talking about how James Kirk's death should have been like George's in this movie. Dude, open up a can of Coke, you deserve a refreshment after that post!
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The new Star Trek movie at best is a so-so film...and you guys who are claiming that it is a great film, are lying. The wealth of you...have to be studio plants!!!
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Paramount your sucks Klingon cock in hell
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From here I could walk down to Paramount on Melrose. "Dangit, where's my check?!" I can guarantee no reply and the cops arriving quickly.
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Star Trek will win the weekend, yes, but when bad word of mouth gets around by Monday on this turkey of a movie, this film's box office will drop like a rock.
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Yackbacker, and clear blueprint of the ole' Heroes Journey by Campbell.
The call to adventure, the lost young man seeking purpose, the older wiser teacher figure. This film had some pretty big balls, and yes talkbackers, if I were to be doomed to suck on the cock of a movie for the rest of eternity this would be it. I can't envision any other film with the sack this film had in the first FIVE FUCKING MINUTES. I'm a child of a single parent so I immediately related to that fucking shit! When Pike was breaking it down to Kirk about get your fucking ass in gear and start living life and stop living in shadows I heard what he was saying. Bob you guys are alot more clever than a vocal few on this site have given you credit for. You guys CLEARLY did your homework. Bravo Bob, tell J.J. and Alex my only request is that you all maintain the same level of integrity and truth to the characters for the sequel that you did in this film. Out-fucking-standing. -
I live in Louisville Kentucky and work for the government. I simply know beauty and dman good films when I see them. - and I saw one tonight and I can't stop raving about it. If that makes me a plant oh well, I'm a plant, I just wish to hell I'd get paid like a plant does.
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lay off the wacky tobaccy. I don't think I have heard so many girlfriends / significant others who were dragged to a movie by their nerdy dates be so positive. In fact many were in shock, the glowing way they were talking about how awesome the film was afterwards... and this in a theater filled with jaded Hollywood viewers.
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"While there were some rich looking shots in this movie, much of the film looked cheap, like an episode of any of the new Trek television shows over that last 2 decades?"Really? One of the things (and there were many) I was most impressed with was the look of the new film. It was a huge leap forward from the Next Gen films that, most of the time, looked no better than the TV show. Of course I did see it on IMAX. In London. I may have mentioned I got tickets. It got a round of applause as well at the end. And London audiences are a tough nut to crack thanks to the mixture of social awkwardness and snobbery.
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It's a big dumb summer movie, audiences will lap it up, just like they lapped up the Pirates of the Caribbean shit. This generation got the Trek film it deserved. They're about to get the Terminator film they deserve too.
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that's an interesting qualifier from someone using a handle that borrows from the worst translation of a science fiction novel to film in recorded history.
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There... I said it!! From someone who loved Wrath of Khan... this kicked it's ASS!! Better than all the shitty Star Wars prequels and everything else from Lucas. And better than all of the Star Treks that came before and after Khan. FX were spectacular but characters were important. Take that, George. Still want my money back for Crystal Skull so I can see this movie again.
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Go on hating, I'm not begrudging you that. Drop your "It's cool to be a hater on a good ass movie" schtick commments and keep refreshing your browsers, waiting for the knee-jerks. I don't give a shit.
The problem is you aren't sharing your "opinions" of the movie, you're in here like asstards ripping on OTHER people's good experiences. Now that just begs of never-been-laid-or -lived-life. Stick to your opinions of the movie, that's fine, but fuck off with your kiddie shit rippin' on people's positive great times.
Went with a group of 6 tonight and we had a blast. This movie is fun, heartfelt, polished, and exhilarating on IMAX. Never thought I'd feel this way about a Trek film. Ovation at the end, like Youngdog's experience. We all loved it. Can't say enough good things...but getting tired and need to catch up on sleep, leaving for Disneyworld on Saturday!
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So, anyone see that movie yet?
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May 08, 2009 4:21:16 AM CDT
Star Wars still rules.....fuck you phantom menace haters
by spicemonkey27
it's 10 years old this year.....read ebert Trek review,he's proably on right,if i want space opera i'll watch the wars.
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Are you really that desperate for money??? This movie is largely vacuous and devoid of soul. You can lie for Paramount all you want to, but you are not going to stop the truth from coming out about the new Star Trek, it is an exercise in the banal and is completely forgettable.
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Eloquent post, man. Simply eloquent! Good review on how the movie gets the essence of the best of Trek!
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This is what a new Star Trek was supposed to be. In fact, more than it was supposed to be. My buddy and I left the theater, and he just goes, "Better than we deserved." I agree. It was better than we deserved, and better than we could have expected. After the last couple of films and "Enterprise" show, we never should have expected something this good. Abrams and the people at Bad Robot really outdid themselves, and I will heap praise on them for this movie for a long time.
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You lost me when you said "at least Phantom Menace had the lightsabre scene at the end.. which was good cinema?" REALLY? George, is that YOU?? George, go back to finishing Red Tails and stay off this site, you hater?
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You must be joking. Firefly was kind of fun, but an artistic and commercial failure. Star Trek will be neither of those.
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I guess it depends what iteration you refer to, but for my money Trek easily bests the Prequels, and is definitely on par in fun with A New Hope, I'll sit through it again before going further with that comparison.
I've noticed the basic trend in here I believe- when a film someone has a personal vested emotional interest in, underperforms, or is critically or commercially snubbed, there is the tendency to stew and go into the next big releases talkback and try to steal the thunder from those that found enjoyment. i.e. Wolverine and Watchmen SUCKED donkey ass three different ways, therefore, we can't very well have anyone enjoy the new kid Star Trek without bemoaning ridiculous and half ass criticisms such as someones skin on film now can we?
I think I get it now, it's really delinquent yet cute in a very small insignificant sort of way.
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Paramount wouldnt screen this for me and i am a huge trek fanboy. I heard it sucked though from a few reliable sources and therefore refuse to pay to see it. I just cant rationalize any reason to pay to see a movie anymore that Harry likes... Oh wait did i say that Harry likes? I meant that Harry changes the entire website to accommodate to. I fell for it with Watchmen and learned the hard way of how bad a movie that gets ridiculously overhyped can be..
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I m a huge trekkie, grew up with it, blah blah...etc. I have nt seen it yet, going this weekend. Can you guys tell me how it compares to the older films? I love WOK, and TUD, and FC. how does it compare to those specifically? How do the various actors do in their roles? How would you rate Nero against Khan, the Borg, or the Klingons? I want real fan views (both positive and negative) as i dont entirely trust the reviews on this site
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I m a huge trekkie, grew up with it, blah blah...etc. I have nt seen it yet, going this weekend. Can you guys tell me how it compares to the older films? I love WOK, and TUD, and FC. how does it compare to those specifically? How do the various actors do in their roles? How would you rate Nero against Khan, the Borg, or the Klingons? I want real fan views (both positive and negative) as i dont entirely trust the reviews on this site
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1 THUMB DOWN!!!!
by Roger Ebert
“Star Trek” as a concept has voyaged far beyond science fiction and into the safe waters of space opera, but that doesn’t amaze me. The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before.
The 2009 “Star Trek” film goes back eagerly to where “Star Trek” began, using time travel to explain a cast of mostly the same characters, only at a younger point in their lives, sailing the Starship Enterprise. As a story idea, this is sort of brilliant and saves on invention, because young Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty and the rest channel their later selves. The child is father to the man, or the Vulcan, and all that.
Don’t get me wrong. This is fun. And when Leonard Nimoy himself returns as the aged Spock, encountering another Spock (Zachary Quinto) as a young man, I was kind of delighted, although as is customary in many sci-fi films, nobody is as astonished as they should be. Holy moly! Time travel exists, and this may be me! It’s more like a little ambiguous dialogue is exchanged, and they’re off to battle the evil Romulan Capt. Nero (Eric Bana).
Time travel as we all know, is impossible in the sense it happens here, but many things are possible in this film. Anyone with the slightest notion of what a black hole is, or how it behaves, will find the black holes in “Star Trek” hilarious. The logic is also a little puzzling when Scotty can beam people into another ship in outer space, but they have to physically parachute to land on a platform in the air from which the Romulans are drilling a hole to the Earth’s core. After they land there, they fight with two Romulan guards, using ... fists and swords? The platform is suspended from Arthur C. Clark’s “space elevator,” but instead of fullerenes, the cable is made of metallic chunks the size of refrigerators.
But stop me before I get started. I mention these details only to demonstrate that the movie raises its yo-yo finger to the science, while embracing the fiction. Apart from details from the youths of the characters and the Spock reunion, it consists mostly of encounters between the Enterprise and the incomparably larger and much better armed Romulan spaceship from the future. It’s encouraging to learn that not even explosions and fires can quickly damage a starship. Also that lifeboats can save the crew, despite the vast distance from home base.
That would be because of warp speed, which for present purposes consists of looking through an unnecessary window at bright lights zapping past. This method of transportation prevents any sense of wonder at the immensity of outer space and is a convenience not only for the starship but also for the screenwriters, who can push a button and zap to the next scene. The concept of using warp speed to escape the clutches of a black hole seems like a recycling of the ancient dilemma of the rock and the hard place.
But there are affecting character moments. Young Spock is deliberately taunted in hopes he will, as a Vulcan, betray emotion. Because Zachary Quinto plays him as a bit of a self-righteous prig, it’s satisfying to see him lose it. Does poor young Spock realize he faces a lifetime of people trying to get a rise out of him? Nimoy, as the elderly Spock, must have benefitted, because he is the most human character in the film.
Chris Pine, as James Tiberius Kirk, appears first as a hot-rodding rebel who has found a Corvette in the 23rd century and drives it into the Grand Canyon. A few years after he’s put on suspension by the Academy and smuggled on board the Enterprise by Bones McCoy (Karl Urban), he becomes the ship’s captain. There are times when the command deck looks like Bring Your Child to School Day, with the kid sitting in daddy’s chair.
Uhura (Zoe Saldana) seems to have traveled through time to the pre-feminist 1960s, where she found her miniskirt and go-go boots. She seems wise and gentle and unsuited to her costume. Scotty (Simon Pegg) seems to have begun life as a character in a Scots sitcom. Eric Bana’s Nero destroys whole planets on the basis of faulty intelligence, but the character is played straight and is effective.
The special effects are slam-bam. Spatial relationships between spaceships are unclear because the Romulan ship and the Enterprise have such widely unmatched scales. Battles consist primarily of jump-suited crew members running down corridors in advance of smoke, sparks and flames. Lots of verbal commands seem implausibly slow. Consider, at light warp speeds, how imprecise it would be to say “At my command ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...” Between “2” and “1,” you could jump a million galaxies.
I thought about these things during “Star Trek” because I could not help myself. I understand the Star Trek science has never been intended as plausible. I understand this is not science fiction but an Ark movie using a starship. I understand that the character types are as familiar as your favorite slippers. But the franchise has become much of a muchness. The new movie essentially intends to reboot the franchise with younger characters and carry on as before. The movie deals with narrative housekeeping. Perhaps the next one will engage these characters in a more challenging and devious story, one more about testing their personalities than re-establishing them. In the meantime, you want space opera, you got it. -
1 THUMB DOWN!!!!
by Roger Ebert
“Star Trek” as a concept has voyaged far beyond science fiction and into the safe waters of space opera, but that doesn’t amaze me. The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before.
The 2009 “Star Trek” film goes back eagerly to where “Star Trek” began, using time travel to explain a cast of mostly the same characters, only at a younger point in their lives, sailing the Starship Enterprise. As a story idea, this is sort of brilliant and saves on invention, because young Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty and the rest channel their later selves. The child is father to the man, or the Vulcan, and all that.
Don’t get me wrong. This is fun. And when Leonard Nimoy himself returns as the aged Spock, encountering another Spock (Zachary Quinto) as a young man, I was kind of delighted, although as is customary in many sci-fi films, nobody is as astonished as they should be. Holy moly! Time travel exists, and this may be me! It’s more like a little ambiguous dialogue is exchanged, and they’re off to battle the evil Romulan Capt. Nero (Eric Bana).
Time travel as we all know, is impossible in the sense it happens here, but many things are possible in this film. Anyone with the slightest notion of what a black hole is, or how it behaves, will find the black holes in “Star Trek” hilarious. The logic is also a little puzzling when Scotty can beam people into another ship in outer space, but they have to physically parachute to land on a platform in the air from which the Romulans are drilling a hole to the Earth’s core. After they land there, they fight with two Romulan guards, using ... fists and swords? The platform is suspended from Arthur C. Clark’s “space elevator,” but instead of fullerenes, the cable is made of metallic chunks the size of refrigerators.
But stop me before I get started. I mention these details only to demonstrate that the movie raises its yo-yo finger to the science, while embracing the fiction. Apart from details from the youths of the characters and the Spock reunion, it consists mostly of encounters between the Enterprise and the incomparably larger and much better armed Romulan spaceship from the future. It’s encouraging to learn that not even explosions and fires can quickly damage a starship. Also that lifeboats can save the crew, despite the vast distance from home base.
That would be because of warp speed, which for present purposes consists of looking through an unnecessary window at bright lights zapping past. This method of transportation prevents any sense of wonder at the immensity of outer space and is a convenience not only for the starship but also for the screenwriters, who can push a button and zap to the next scene. The concept of using warp speed to escape the clutches of a black hole seems like a recycling of the ancient dilemma of the rock and the hard place.
But there are affecting character moments. Young Spock is deliberately taunted in hopes he will, as a Vulcan, betray emotion. Because Zachary Quinto plays him as a bit of a self-righteous prig, it’s satisfying to see him lose it. Does poor young Spock realize he faces a lifetime of people trying to get a rise out of him? Nimoy, as the elderly Spock, must have benefitted, because he is the most human character in the film.
Chris Pine, as James Tiberius Kirk, appears first as a hot-rodding rebel who has found a Corvette in the 23rd century and drives it into the Grand Canyon. A few years after he’s put on suspension by the Academy and smuggled on board the Enterprise by Bones McCoy (Karl Urban), he becomes the ship’s captain. There are times when the command deck looks like Bring Your Child to School Day, with the kid sitting in daddy’s chair.
Uhura (Zoe Saldana) seems to have traveled through time to the pre-feminist 1960s, where she found her miniskirt and go-go boots. She seems wise and gentle and unsuited to her costume. Scotty (Simon Pegg) seems to have begun life as a character in a Scots sitcom. Eric Bana’s Nero destroys whole planets on the basis of faulty intelligence, but the character is played straight and is effective.
The special effects are slam-bam. Spatial relationships between spaceships are unclear because the Romulan ship and the Enterprise have such widely unmatched scales. Battles consist primarily of jump-suited crew members running down corridors in advance of smoke, sparks and flames. Lots of verbal commands seem implausibly slow. Consider, at light warp speeds, how imprecise it would be to say “At my command ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...” Between “2” and “1,” you could jump a million galaxies.
I thought about these things during “Star Trek” because I could not help myself. I understand the Star Trek science has never been intended as plausible. I understand this is not science fiction but an Ark movie using a starship. I understand that the character types are as familiar as your favorite slippers. But the franchise has become much of a muchness. The new movie essentially intends to reboot the franchise with younger characters and carry on as before. The movie deals with narrative housekeeping. Perhaps the next one will engage these characters in a more challenging and devious story, one more about testing their personalities than re-establishing them. In the meantime, you want space opera, you got it. -
35 years old, life long Trek fan, grew up on it in the 70's in syndication. Couldn't stomach Voyager or Enterprise.
Seen every film released the day it opened going back to '79 and the Motion Picture.
In a nutshell, it's my favorite movie and perfectly captures the essence and spirit of classic red blooded The Original series Star Trek, and exceeds it in certain areas, yet maintains the character and integrity of the premise Roddenberry envisioned. It's basically a prelude to the 5 year mission. -
In conclusion, I invite anyone to see Serenity and then watch JJ Abrams' Star Trek. If you are being honest, you will have to admit, JJ out did Whedon at every turn as a director, as well, he bested the writers of Serenity, by leaps and bounds. JJ's direction carried great spirit and excitement, and his script was deft...and equally as spirited. Yes, Trek is far superior to that of Serenity in all arenas.....JJ pulled a near tour-de-force with Trek, one which leaves Whedon in the dust, in respect to the Serenity, like a master compared to a student.
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Funny thing is my buddy and I were talking after it was over and mentioned the prequels, and we both agreed that the treatment of the prequels should have been handled in the fashion of this movie. The prequels, which I loved, just didn't capture the original zeal of the Trilogy. Whereas this movie captures what I loved about Khan, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country. It probably also helped that the cast, who are stellar by the way, aren't having to interact with a green screen so the end product comes off soul-less.
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It's definitely not your father's Trek, and I say that as a longtime fan: It's reborn and brilliant! It looks fucking awesome! Kudos to ILM for the most realistic, bad-ass SFX work in a Trek film yet. Great acting by everyone, a dramatic plot that's a little "deus ex machina", but very tight and moving. And it's also very funny and exciting. We've had some excellent reboots lately: Batman Bond and now Trek. It's a whole new galaxy and I can't wait to see what's ahead. Go see it in IMAX! (My theater, with a lot of Trekkies, was the 7pm show Thursday and they brought the house down! Seriously applauding and going batshit crazy for it throughout the film, but especially at the end) Also, trailers for Night at the Museum 2 (ugh!) Crapformers 2 (barf! but the audience came in their pants for all the Bayhem) and Harry Potter 6. (WOW!) It's going to be an interesting Summer...
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Again, lie all you want, but this is not a good Trek movie, and it isn't a good movie at all. Serenity is a masterpiece compared to it. Serenity's only problems were in its lack of budget, and its less than stellar title. However, I could easily out write the new Star Trek film blindfolded. Even the new Galactica bests and outclasses the new Trek, so much so, that the fight isn't even fair one.
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I just wrote why you're wrong.
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You should watch Battlefield Earth sometime if you think Dune is the worst adaptation.
But at least you can discern an artist at work behind Dune. All I can discern from this new Star Trek is a TV director at work. Not one memorable cinemascope image or line of dialogue.
I'm glad the majority of you like it, i'm not bashing anyone for liking it. Just putting my points across. -
'Scotty (Simon Pegg) seems to have begun life as a character in a Scots sitcom' - haha, gotta agree, Pegg wanders in from another movie entirely.
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i want to see JJ bring in the Borg i would Shite my pants then overall i feel a 8 out of 10 i enjoyed it alot
Freckles Bauer would have love this movie -
"This movie is largely vacuous and devoid of soul"I appreciate you shouldn't have to write an essay to have an opinion but without some qualification that is just a sentence. It certainly doesn't describe the film I saw last night. Kirk Snr's sacrifice, new Spock's coming to terms with his humanity, Bones' fondness of Jim. JJ sold me the lot. How? He got the best artists/professionals he could and let them do their jobs.You call me a plant? YOU are the one who posts stats and talks demographics in TBs. It has crossed my mind that you do infact work for a studio. If so then tell your corporate paymasters this: keep the beancounters OUT of the creative process. Unless wolverine is your idea of a good film
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..because its in spaceDuh!
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Its a Michael Bay Star Trek film. Its been dumbed down to reach the biggest, most moronic, popcorn munching audience possible. Its instantly forgettable, MTV friendly, shaky-cam, over-edited eye candy.
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May 08, 2009 5:11:38 AM CDT
Mr Lucas, the commander of the Enterprise is signalling...
by diamondjoe
...he wishes to discuss terms of your surrender. You fat CG obsessed Indy rapng fuck.
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Was there even a SINGLE shot in this movie that didn't have CGI? I think not.
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I hear you dude. It shows the age group this movie is aiming for dig it totally even though they lack the skills to say why!! Because the media force feeds them a positive vibe they have no rationale to see through this hype.
Nimoys best part. Ha ha what a joke he had a better part in his ST3 coffin on Genesis!!!
Emotion & crying. Ha ha easily fooled.
Round of applause. Ha ha when it finished because it DID finish more like.
This film has heart. Ha ha where is it cause I missed that part.
My screening ended with stunned silence at how bad it was. Even the whiny little teenage girls behind me said it sucked and they laughed at all the dumb humour.
Can anyone explain to me how Spock Prime lets his planet & mother be destroyed yet he has the formula for going back in time which he used in ST4. Surely if he used it to save the earth & whales he's damn well going to use it to save Vulcan (unless he wants payback on all the whiny little bitches who taunted him as a boy!!). Nimoy could not champion this as he needed the paycheck so had to take the money and run. Notice how this is the first time I have even mentioned canon as TBH its not that big a deal if the movie is good but if its trash then you start to remember these things especially when the original actor is happy to take the paycheck and dump on his own work (maybe Nimoy needed some better dentures as he sure had a dodgy set here!!).
Can anyone explain to me what they consider so impressive about the VFX and give me an example of 1 shot or sequence in particular which was amazing.
Simon Pegg, What a talentless zero charisma actor. So bland and mediocre its amazing he has any career at all. This movie dropped several notches when he appeared with some alien midget sidekick (who got the most laughs in the movie).
This movie fails on so many levels. It has no dramatic structure as the moments which should be built up to are jump cut edited to the next part of the movie so contain no emotional resonance.
Couple of months ago I heard that people on the design team @ ILM were laughing at how bad this movie was. Now I know why!
The opening is probably the best part of the entire movie but even that is mishandled as the VFX work is too close to the ships.
It's very disturbing to know that so many people like this movie as it means future movies will just be more of the same but much worse.
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and the CG helped the story, rather than detracted from it. I thought the effects were superb - elegant and exciting, rather than the garish head-fucks of the SW prequels.
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Dude trust me you will hate this movie so much. Do yourself a huge favour and avoid, its your worse nightmare scenario and make The Phantom Menace seem like a great movie.
If you love the other ST movies this will alienate you in so many ways. Nimoy has so little screentime and is so unspock like he could be anyone.
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May 08, 2009 5:34:15 AM CDT
BillyPilgrimisunstuck: The New Star Trek's Bad Writing!!!
by media messiah
My time was already wasted with this film, why waste my time reading your prior post? Yep, I didn't bother. BTW, time travel was possible in the original Star Trek, as well in Spock's latter years, so how very ridiculous is it that they just didn't go back in time, past Nero's assualt on Vulcan, and simply destroy Nero and his crew before they even launched their attack? And why didn't they go forward in time to kill Nero before he went back in time, or better yet, why didn't they go forward in time to save Romulas where Spock failed the first time? Again...if you know your Trek canon, you know that past Trek movies and TV series episodes have shown the Enterprise and crew travel through time at will, so the crew of the Enterprise, and or, Spock failing to travel through time to right the wrongs of Nero, made zero sense. This was just bad...and equally lazy writing. A true writer of fantasy and science fiction, one who knows and loves the genre, would have seen these flaws and fixed them well ahead of time...but these writers are two well connected hacks, who don't understand the genre...to begin with, to be able to innovate in it; no, they can only parrot and mimic other works, as parrots do, not improve them, or write as good as the best of them, and as a result, there is a xerox effect, where they copy a copy of another copy...and it degrades from the original each time...and that is the problem with this film--it is a insincere effort, and an insincere saccharine clone of far superior efforts like Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan, Star Trek: Voyage Home, Star Trek: First Contact, or even former Trek producer Harve Bennett's original Star Trek: Accademy script which this new film ripped-off and not very well.Star Gate: Continuum really nailed a similar concept involving time travel, speaking of better productions, with a truly stunning and satisfying twist ending. The new Star Trek failed on all levels, and that is just a fact, and a very sad one at that.
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That's a great point, time travel is possible so why don't they go back to when Nero's ship appears and destroy it before it destroys the Kelvin? So little thought has been put into this thing.
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Avoid him like swine flu.
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Nimoy has been plugging the fuck out of this movie for over a year. He hasn't exactly been booking it out the fire door.
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... trust!
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Good post. You just destroyed the entire premise of the movie. This film makes no sense whatsoever.
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There's so many things better than this.
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... I'm speaking in terms of the summer movie season and great films in general. If you feel that you've seen a better AMERICAN film this summer when all's said and done; I would say that you might still require the assistance of the Wierding Module. Good day, kind sir.
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May 08, 2009 5:58:28 AM CDT
Harve Bennett's Star Fleet Academy: AICN Article By Merrick
by media messiah
The following is an AICN.com article on Harve Bennett's script for Star Fleet Academy. He should sue Paramount and JJ Abrams for the theft of his script. Here's AICN.com's take on the Harve Bennett script. See below:
Merrick Explores STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS!!
You are now receiving a communiqué from Merrick, sent during his eternal quest for the perfect tag line…
Before we go any further, you should be warned that…unless you’re a pretty serious STAR TREK fan…or you’re seriously into the “what could have beens” of big Hollywood projects that were once on the drawing board but never got made…this article is almost certainly not for you. CLICKING HERE will return you to AICN’s main page.
Also, this article is really, really long. "My fingers are numb with pain" kind of long. You can still be returned to AICN's main page by CLICKING HERE.
With that out of the way, here’s a look at a frequently referenced STAR TREK theatrical project whose very premise inspires ridicule and hatred whenever it’s mentioned. By now, this production is almost certainly defunct. Note I said “ALMOST” certainly. As recently as a few years ago, it was still being bandied about. This script has been repeatedly proposed and, for a variety of logistical or political reasons, repeatedly rejected. But this is Hollywood, and stranger rebirths have happened, so never say never.
With this vague possibility in mind…
KNOW YE THAT THERE BE EXTREME SPOILERS AHEAD!!! TURN BACK NOW, OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE!!!
OK. Here we go…
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, MERRICK?
Firstly, this is not the recently commissioned (and rejected) screenplay by BAND OF BROTHERS’ Erik Jendersen. I’ve been trying to get my hands on that one for some time, and all roads lead to nowhere. The script we’re talking about here has been around for quite a while.
Its concept is broadly referred to by fans as “STARFLEET ACADEMY”, but this moniker is not accurate. The script is called STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS.
Back in the late 1980s, THE ACADEMY YEARS was written by David Loughery (STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER) for then TREK overlord Harve Bennett.
Bennett produced TREK movies II, III, IV, and V – and is credited (as a writer) on TREKs III and IV (although he did some uncredited work on THE WRATH OF KAHN as well, if memory serves).
STAR TREK V is a film whose ambitions were undercut by Paramount’s increasing lack for support for the “Classic” TREK franchise (with greater attention being afforded the then white-hot NEXT GENERATION.) Budget cuts and conceptual dampening burdened the movie with a decidedly clunky quality. Ironically, TREK V also represents what many fans believe to be the truest expression of the Classic Era characters. It was very much a mixed bag; TREK at both its weakest and strongest.
Recognizing a need for “reinvention”, Bennett approached Paramount with a proposal: Prequelize the original STAR TREK series via THE ACADEMY YEARS concept. Dramatize how the “Classic” characters, and the universe they occupy, became what we saw in THE ORIGINAL SERIES. This concept was green lighted, but scuttled during a regime change at Paramount.
Bennett stepped away. A different sequel, STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (the final film to feature the entire original cast), was mastered by other producers. The theatrical franchise was subsequently inherited by the controversial Rick Berman.
ISN’T THIS THE BEAUTIFUL TEENS, “TOP GUN”’ STAR TREK EVERYONE IS SO AFRAID OF?
Yes, it is. But THE ACADEMY YEARS isn’t about posing hunks, teens cavorting, or rock music blaring. It has certain TOP GUN elements, but no more so than any of the numerous military training/coming of age movies that have been made.
It most closely resembles TOP GUN in structure: Brash young loose cannon (Kirk) goes to the academy, meets a girl, gets into trouble, whips up a few shenanigans, is pressed into unexpected action, and proves his value to the system via a trial by fire.
Despite such conceits, this is VERY much a “true” STAR TREK script – throwing the hard core series philosophy into settings we’ve never seen fully realized before. Indeed, THE ACADEMY YEARS is about STAR TREK becoming STAR TREK, and heroes becoming the heroes they don’t consider themselves to be.
WHAT’S IT ABOUT?
STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS begins as TOS (movie) era McCoy addresses a Starfleet commencement. After his speech, several cadets corner the good doctor, who is standing alone, gazing into a reflecting pool. They nervously ask him about Kirk and Spock.
SECOND CADET: What were they like?
FIRST CADET: Were they friends?
McCOY: FRIENDS? I never met two less likely candidates for friendship in my entire life. That surprises you, doesn’t it? Well, it’s the gospel truth. They were as different as night and day. As Vulcan…and Iowa.
WOSH! We flashback to IOWA, which feels a lot like Smallville, where Sam Kirk is mortified by his brother Jim’s reckless shenanigans in a futuristic crop duster.
JIM: You worry too much!
SAM: That’s because you don’t worry at all!
Young Jim Kirk is the reckless son of a reckless father. Jim has little interested in an Earthbound existence, and yearns to attend Starfleet Academy. This doesn’t seem likely though – he’s scheduled to attend Agricultural school soon.
But he gets a message from Starfleet…he’s been accepted! One of 100 recruits. He leaves for the Academy without the blessings of his mother or brother, who are afraid Jim will get swept up in a brewing galactic conflict (more on this below), or meet with the same fate as his father (more on this below, too.) Kirk leaves Iowa, walking alone into a bigger world.
ON VULCAN: Young Spock is being confronted by an associate named Shardik, who is trying to convince him to decline his acceptance to Starfleet Academy on Earth. No Vulcan has ever gone through Starfleet. He’ll be alone. But he’s already alone…
SHARDIK: Your decision in this matter is not logical.
SPOCK: On the contrary. It is logic that tells me I do not belong here.
Kirk arrives in San Francisco (home of Starfleet Academy), and immediately gets lost. A country boy with a ruck sack on his shoulder, the big city folk dismiss him out of hand. He can’t even get directions to the Academy. He finally manages to get there, via a speeder bike ride from a fiery chick named CASSANDRA HIGHTOWER, who becomes a love interest later in the film.
Kirk makes it to the Academy, instantly gets into a dust-up with a dude named KALIBAR.
KALIBAR: We wouldn’t want to get into a fight on our first day.
KIRK: What would we have to look forward to?
This is a prophetic exchange; Kirk and Kalibar will eventually clash. Bigtime.
Kirk’s room mate in the academy is an older inductee named Leonard McCoy. Kirk hates the name Leonard, sticks him with the name “Bones”.
Also hanging around the Academy: An Engineering Officer who has been consigned to teaching, over his rather loud objections. The guy’s name is Montgomery Scott. “Scotty”. He’s been part of a Starfleet propulsion program for years – aimed at utilizing Dilithium crystals in Warp engines. Seems contemporary Warp speed takes hours to attain. Dilithium makes Warp speed instantaneous.
Scotty knew Kirk’s father.
SCOTTY: Are you any relation to George Kirk?
JIM: George Kirk was my father.
SCOTTY: I dinna know George had a family.
JIM: Neither did George.
Turns out, George Kirk was also working on the Dilithium project with Scotty – he piloted a test ship, called Bonaventure, which disappeared without a trace during its first Dilithium-fueled Warp jump. Scotty shows Kirk his stash of Dilithuim, which is sitting around unused, and useless. All of this will be important in the script’s finale.
Academy “settling in” antics ensue. Pushy drill instructors, Kirk gets busted and cleans toilets, etc. But there’s a problem at the Academy – the same problem which threatens to catapult the galaxy into civil war. Seems the “enlightenment” exalted by characters in THE ORIGINAL SERIES hasn’t come about just yet (evidence of this exists in several TOS episodes, including “Balance of Terror”, “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”, and “Bread and Circuses”)
Racism, bigotry, and slavery are still powerful forces across the galaxy in this time. “Red bloods”, “Green bloods”, etc. are delineations that are not only still noted, but acted upon by many. They are differences that are still feared.
Some believe it’s up to the Federation to impose more sophisticated values (opposing slavery, etc.) on worlds that haven’t “caught up”. Others believe that it’s no one’s place to push morality on anyone, and that upsetting such social constructs will cause shockwaves of socio-economic repercussions that will destabilize the galaxy. Treaties are in the works…the Federation is involved…ambassadors are in town for meetings…military intervention is in the air. What will happen is anyone’s guess.
As such, Spock arrives at the Academy with no particular amount of acceptance. He came to find a place he belongs. Instead, he is no more at home here than he was back on Vulcan. Spock even finds himself abducted and brutally mutilated by HOODED CADETS. He is rescued by Kirk, who never really thought about issues like equality, bigotry, and freedom – but is now being forced to confront them head on. He’s being forced to grow. They all are.
Turns out, Kalibar (the guy who Kirk bumped into when he got to Starfleet) is a prince from an alien world whose economy is driven by slavery. He’s one of the guys who kidnapped and messed up Spock. As punishment, he’s expelled from the Academy, leaving in a flourish. At roughly the same time, Kalibar learns that his father, the King, was killed in an uprising back home. Everything in Kalibar’s universe is falling apart. Or, perhaps it’s going just the way he wants it to…
ELSEWHERE: KODARIS, an alien ambassador from Kalibar’s world, signs an anti-slavery proclamation! No one at Starfleet is sure how to react. But Kalibar is pissed.
STARFLEET. Kirk and Cassandra make love, silhouetted against the stars in a zero-gravity space simulator. A weightless dance. We learn that Cassandra is also a cadet, gunning for captaincy like Kirk.
“Cuts” are coming up soon. Grade and character based evaluations are being made, only 20 of the initial 100 inductees will continue to be midshipmen. And Kirk’s in trouble: His Quantum Mechanics suck and he’s close to washing out.
Quantum Mechanics being one of his better subjects, Spock mind melds with Kirk -- teaching him all he needs to know to pass the test. Kirk scores 100. So does Spock. They make the cut! Two of the 20. Cassandra get through as well.
Starfleet realizes Kirk and Spock’s essays are word-for-word identical. They confess to cheating and are confined to quarters, while Cassandra and the other new midshipmen are sent to their first training assignment.
EARTH ORBIT: Cassandra, the midshipmen, and McCoy rendezvous with their ship: “An old ship of the line, a war horse, battered and patched. Its design may not be familiar, but its name is. U.S.S. Enterprise.”
They break orbit, heading off to their training mission. But it’s not a training mission at all. In order to attract as little attention as possible, Ambassador Kodaris…the guy who signed the treaty abolishing slavery on Kalibar’s world…has been spirited aboard the currently low-profile Enterprise, commanded by CAPTAIN GEOFFREY THORPE. Their “training” is to take him home. The crew is apprehensive as hell. So many things could go wrong. And everything does.
KALIBAR ATTACKS, immediately disabling Enterprise. Cutting her off from communications with Earth. Kalibar wants to kill the Ambassador – he blames him for screwing up the way of life back home. If Enterprise gives up the Ambassador, Kalibar will let the ship go free. Thorpe tells him no way.
EARTH: Kirk is sick of being confined to quarters and is packing to leave Starfleet altogether. He’s going to join the “merchant fleet”. As he leaves, Spock is standing in the doorway.
SPOCK: This merchant fleet – does it accept Vulcans?
They’re on the way to hand in their resignations when they hear that Enterprise has dropped communications and may be under attack. She’s a sitting duck; no way to talk to her and no way to physically reach her in time.
But Kirk has an idea…
Kirk, Scotty, and Spock steal a prototype Warp ship from the Starfleet Museum. The Bonaventure II, the sequel ship to the ship Kirk’s dad disappeared in. They load it up with Scotty’s Dilithium and fly it out of the museum. They’re off to warn Enterprise she may be attacked. But to do it in time, they’ll have to make the first successful Dilithium- Warp jump. They all doubt the sanity of this undertaking , but they do it anyway.
They arrive at Enterprise! But it’s too late. Thorpe is dead, the ship is smashed, and Cassandra is in command. Things aren’t going well. Enterprise, and her crew, are dying.
Kirk, Scotty, and Spock jump into action. If Scotty can get those damn Dilithium crystals into Enterprise’s engines…they can change the ship into a fast, maneuverable vessel Kalibar won’t, and couldn’t, expect. They might have a fighting chance.
A mammoth battle ensues, as Enterprise and Kalibar clash in a high-speed fight amongst the rings of a giant world. Dodging some ice chunks, smashing into others. Kirk chances into command of Enterprise…with Scotty in engineering, Spock feeding him information, and Bones tending to the wounded in sickbay (Nurse Chapel at his side). A new era has begun!
But not for long…
The script goes through a great deal of effort to bring the “classic” characters together, but it doesn’t take the easy way out. As the flashback concludes, the “classic” guys go their separate ways…to other ships and other adventures…fated to meet again. “Jim and Spock walk way in opposite directions, headed for a common destiny.”
BACK WITH TOS (MOVIE) ERA McCoy. His communicator beeps. It’s Scotty, asking if he’s ready to beam up now. Seems the captain’s eager to move out. McCoy excuses himself, takes one last look around.
McCOY: Beam me up, Scotty.
SPACE: The TOS (movie) era Enterprise warps away to distant stars.
SO, HOW IS IT?
The script is surprisingly solid. Frequently, it’s extremely involving. Unlike many recent permutations of STAR TREK, it has a tremendously vibrant heart and soul. It’s even genuinely moving on a few occasions.
The characters, and “vibe”, of THE ORIGINAL SERIES are unequivocally nailed here. That energy is just…there. It’s in the way the characters speak, in the cadence of their dialogue, and the flow of the story.
There’s a great deal of passion here, and a great deal of sweetness. We’ve previously been told a bit about what these characters were like in their early years, and the script nicely upholds these perceptions.
But there’s also a surprising amount of pathos. THE ACADEMY YEARS isn’t about learning the ins & outs of space adventuring as much as it’s a journey of self-discovery. It’s about growing beyond the boxes we put ourselves in, or the boxes that other people put us in. It also pile drives one of the most sublime human truths: Sometimes, the best friends we can have are the people we’d least hope to, or expect to, be our friends.
To paraphrase THE ABYSS, THE ACADEMY YEARS is about looking “with better eyes than that.”
WHAT IMPRESSES YOU MOST ABOUT THE SCRIPT?
Besides hitting the mark by creating the feel of THE ORIGINAL SERIES (and movies), what strikes me the most is the amount of time Bennett and Loughery spend exploring what makes these icons tick.
We see that ‘brash and confident’ Kirk also carries with him a certain amount of self doubt, instilled by a family who was afraid he’d meet the unfortunate fate of his father. Also, early on, he turns away from the people he loved (thus the people who love him) in order to follow his dreams. His cockiness, to some extent, seems to be his forcing past his own internal discomforts and apprehensions.
The super-logical Spock is equally flawed: Throughout THE ORIGINAL SERIES, we saw his struggle to fit in. This is poignantly illustrated in THE ACADEMY YEARS, most notably through shots of Spock sitting alone in the Starfleet cafeteria, and by a scene in which he struggles to dictate…and re-dictate…a message to his mother. After starting, stopping, over-stating his popularity, and downright lying, he deletes all versions of the message and simply sends: “I am fine” (an allusion to his “Tell her I feel fine” line in STAR TREK IV).
IF THE GUY WHO WROTE STAR TREK V WROTE THIS, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS DOES IT HAVE?
In general, THE ACADEMY YEARS is a much more fully realized script than THE FINAL FRONTIER. TREK V feels only partially realized…a smattering of fantastic moments that never expand to an entirety of greatness. By comparison, THE ACADEMY YEARS is more “hit” than “miss”.
Most of the “misses” rise from unfortunate doses of broad humor; the same kind of buffoonery that felt so jarring in STAR TREK V. Most of this isn’t worth nitpicking herein, but it hurts. Sometimes it hurts badly.
Fortunately, there are also a few moments of genuine comedic inspiration, as in cutaway to a slightly tipsy Spock trying to pick up a girl in a bar. ”It’s called Pon Far” he tells her. The same girl is later seen doing the Pon Far finger caress with Spock, but she’s wearing a latex glove on the hand she’s using. Awesome.
Loughery’s treatment of personality and characters is staggering, often stirring. If any subsequent drafts of this script are ever generated, all of his character material should be maintained…but someone with a little less broadness should re-approach the sillier slapstick asides. ‘Twould make a solid script truly GREAT.
SOME OF THIS PLOTLINE SOUNDS FAMILIAR! WHAT GIVES?
Many elements of THE ACADEMY YEARS seem to have been pillaged by later TREK iterations. I have no direct knowledge of this, but it’s hard to escape certain parallels between the content of this script and critical elements that popped up in later installments.
Kirk in the shadow of his father is, more or less, the same dynamic played out in ENTERPRISE (Captain Archer assuming the legacy of his daddy). Kalibar’s suicidal preoccupation with preventing change from coming to his world equals General Chang’s Machiavellian resistance in STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. The fate of the future hinging on a successful Warp jump is, of course, a notion utilized in FIRST CONTACT.
Sure, these could all be cases of legitimate parallel development. But…
If THE ACADEMY YEARS concept is ever re-approached, some changes will have to be made so that this project doesn’t appear to be boosting other TREK endeavors (which, in actuality, may have been influenced by it!). Sigh.
WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THIS PROJECT?
As recently as a few years ago, Bennett approached Paramount about THE ACADEMY YEARS. Sherri Lancing (head of Paramount) was ready to do the project, but was asked not to by Paramount Television…who figured ENTERPRISE should be the only TREK prequel in the game.
You can read more about the history of this project (both ancient and recent) HERE.
The decision not to move forward with THE ACADEMY YEARS is terribly unfortunate. For my money, the obstacles facing the currently in-stasis franchise have nothing to do with the presence of “too much STAR TREK”, as some believe.
TREK’s diminishing audience happened because fans and laymen alike were sick of lifeless, bland, and safe storytelling that took no chances, and never came to life. Series and movies became visually flat, kinetically dull, and aurally muted (compare the way music is used in THE WRATH OF KAHN to any “sonic wallpaper” score in VOYAGER or ENTERPRISE). The camera became increasingly locked down...colors became more and more drab.
Above all, TREK derailed when it ceased to be about “all of us”, and became insular in its scope and ambition. It looked in on itself for inspiration, instead of reaching out to our world. And, most importantly, reaching out to our spirits.
People are not perfect, yet characters stopped making mistakes. Life is vibrant, yet shows were edited like news casts. Adventure is waiting, and limitless, yet how long has it been since STAR TREK took us “Where no one has gone before”?
Some people say there are no more good TREK stories to tell. I submit that it hasn’t even touched the tip of the iceberg. It’s just a matter of approaching the concept from the right angle, and telling stories that challenge viewers. Take a look at BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, or the re-launched DOCTOR WHO. Both of them took chances, both dared to soar beyond the expected in narrative and style. Both are commercially and critically successful.
Despite its occasionally uneven (but adjustable) nature, THE ACADEMY YEARS drives itself hard, and reaches for maximum impact – narrative in the script states it was gunning for a PG-13 rating. It takes chances, but stays true to where it came from.
Perhaps more than any other TREK producer so far, Bennett seems to understand what makes STAR TREK work, and…above all…he understands why it works. In THE ACADEMY YEARS, he and Loughery deftly walk that nearly impossible tightrope between familiar-yet-fresh. And that’s the exact tightrope someone needs to walk for this critically damaged franchise to live again.
Merrick's transmission ends NOW!
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And I am sure that it is a bad movie...or at least, something I don't want to see.
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You may be right about the summer movie season, the other releases look dreadful too. But Star Trek does not take a place at the great films table, i'm sorry, it just really doesn't.
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I really could out-write the two buffoons that wrote this film (or should I say, ripped it off from Harve Bennett's superior script, and signed their names to it)in my sleep, but then again, most of us could.
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Dude you asked about actors. I have a similar TOS history to you and loved the original movies (all of them for different reasons). I even liked ST7 (some of it) & thought ST8 was pretty good.
Well most of the actors here are the bland emotionless drones you would expect from this director. They could be anyone.
Pike, McCoy & Uhura are the only ones who give believeable performances but even then Urban is just doing a reasonable DeForest Kelley impersonation and the hyper editing cuts away so quickly you will be wondering about it whilst trying to take in the next over edited action sequence. George Kirk in the opening few mins also gives a strong emotional performance (much better than his son in this movie!!). I wish the George Kirk actor could have been Jim Kirk instead as he looked great and could act (unlike Chis Pine!!).
Bruce Greenwood as Pike is the best by far but he is not given much screentime (much less than Shatner in ST7) so blink and he is gone because Pike is not the focus here. Pike could even belong in the TOS movies or series he is right on the money.
I enjoyed Armageddon, The Phantom Menace (some of it), Attack Of The Clones (most of it), Revenge Of The Sith (some of it). I even liked a lot of Transformers!!
This trash is way below those movies and if Lucas directed it then the haters would be universal as it suffers from the same problems as the SW prequels but with even worse execution and trashy story telling which is straight to DVD level at best!!! -
I know it took me a little time to think about that time travel aspect as my brain cells were recovering from the trash they had tried to evaluate.
I was not even looking for flaws it just came to me as anyone with even a basic knowledge of any previous TOS trek would see this flaw very quickly. -
That's my green flag. Fired up!! Ready to go.
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anyone who can say that after those opening scenes is a soulless empty cunt where a black hole used to be.
On Monday some fuckwits making predictions here will be eating a giant shit sandwich. Pucker up fuckheads. -
nobody reads vomits of shit like that..you're talking to yourself.
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Brannon Braga, Rick Berman, AND George Lucas are gracing the forums.
Hi guys, I just want you to know how much I enjoyed Star Trek and deplored your shit. George, at least you get some credit keeping Trek alive through the 70's with the original Star Wars phenomenon.
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with sniffing my shirts.
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You sir must be very naive if you think that an out of touch (last acted 17 years ago) and once great director/actor of TOS plugging something for a paycheck is a reason to love trash like this.
Did you really think Nimoy is going to slate it when he got well paid for maybe 2 days work.
If you think his role of maybe 3 scenes and 15 lines of dialog in about 3-3.5 mins screentime is an endorsement then you have been brainwashed exactly the way you were supposed to be.
Nimoy must be ashamed inside as he has surprisingly dumped on much of his previous Star Trek image to get a large paycheck by supporting this rubbish. I would gladly stake my life on his private thoughts being the polar opposite of his public PR opinion!!!! -
we all know it
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It is what it is!
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I'm curious as to why those who like the film have to resort to name-calling and cheap jibes instead of presenting their opinion seriously. None of the people saying the film is bad are attacking people who liked it. Yet anybody who didn't like the film is either a) a moron or b) a hater. Speaks volumes.
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May 08, 2009 6:22:24 AM CDT
NIMOY SEEMED PROUD OF THIS MOVIE, FROM ALL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS
by bringingsexyback
I know where you're coming from, but perhaps you could use a different angle.
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Why didn;t Spock Prime get the Enterprise crew to time travel back to stop Nero? Because then Kurtzman and Orci would have no franchise to play with thats why.
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I'd pretend to be proud to, if they paid me millions of dollars to sell to mess of a movie.
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Sadly, he's right. This is not a good film.
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Because possibly this movie has epic win written all over it as based on critical, and crowd response, and it's very tragic watching 3 or 4 people literally stewing and going out of their way to try to demonstrate why they feel it's a bad movie? Isn't that sort of sad and lethargic? Oh I loved the film, one can necessarily understand from me post after post after post, but Jesus Wept someone that despised it need really only chime in once right? Who are we kidding here are you guys THAT threatened this film may actually rightfully take its place among some of the best science fiction movies EVER created? Can so many critics and people be so horribly wrong and you 4 people have it so right? Who in the hell is truly being an elitist snob here? What the hell WAS the last genre film that recieved 94 percent approval from CRITICS? Holy shit such a conflux of events only happens once every 1000 years for critics to actually LIKE science fiction. Go back and re-red some of youy alls misguided criticisms of this movie, they are pathetically, no, desperately bad. It's actually fucking hilarious.
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But I have to give credit to Roberto, who not only got Nimoy's support, but Nicholas Fucking Meyer. The man who gave you your fondest memories in Star Trek lore. The man who redefined the Trek look n' feel and brought in new audiences.
This is a new origin story, and Star Trek is a universe with unlimited possibilities. The sequel will be much better (Roberto, throw in some Shakespeare) and we are now given another franchise to be excited about every two years.
Unlike with previous Trek incarnations, you actually have the writer's ear here. Take advantage. Give him ideas and suggestions. Imagine if you threw something good out and it ended up in bigscreen Trek mythology. Join the adventure! -
Did you even see the film or what man?
Spock Prime didn't get the Enteprise crew to travel back in time to stop NERO earlier because....maybe you were pissing in the bathroom, SEVEN other starships were decimated by the Narada. Why the hell would Spock prime send the Enteprise crew to their DEATHS? Sorry, you got no plot hole. -
Saw it last night, wanted to love it - but there's nothing memorable, nothing awe-inspiring, and a hole-ridden plot. A great cast leaves open the possibility of successful sequels, but this was not a good movie.
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Why are you getting so upset? It's sad we can't have a rational conversation about the film.
Everything about the film screamed crap to me, from the writing through the acting, cinematography and direction. I didn't like it. Why are you taking it as a personal affront?
As for the Enterprise crew not going back in time the whole point of Star Trek was a team of individuals working together to problem solve and win the day. To not even bother to go back and solve the time problem and just give in and accept the alternate reality is ridiculous and a complete creative fail on every writing level.
Again, glad you enjoyed the film. Just wish we could discuss it without name-calling and petty tantrums. But ir is AICN I guess. -
And thank god Kirk is back. The writers of this New Positive Mirror Universe keep the Original Universe to avoid TOS Trekkies from grabbing pitchforks and torches as they would have marched through the Paramount Gates hoping in their geek minds to find a functioning Guardian of Forever machine as seen in the Trek Traveling Tour last year (I swear that set piece looked like it could convince a even the most skeptical Trekkie fan that it could work and –ahem- Trek is Real). If this new movie would have sucked, the Trekkies would have used this fully functioning Guardian of Forever Trekkies could go back a few years in time to convince Nicolas Meyer to do the reboot for 2009.
Original Universe is intact while giving audiences a brand new Altered TOS Era Trek Universe with the core character’s story arcs not influenced by TOS actor’s egos, salary negotiations of the past, aging factors of a near-geriatric crew, studio execs misguided decisions and the central leading actors wanting to direct a film, which largely shaped the Old Trek Universe. This New Trek will have the pleasure to be influenced by brand new instances of fucked up shit mentioned above in my last sentence. By the way, I loved how the movie was character driven, and not plot of fx driven. This move has simultaneously created a Alternate Trek universe as well as a Alternate Trek movie Production. Can’t wait to see how this brand new relaunch cranks out the sequels.
As for the effects, ILM outdid themselves, and I don’t mind that the unemployed combat photographers from Galactica have been hired to do this gig, providing shaky camera cinematography as all camera operators in the future suffer from a rare, alien neurological disorder called “Fuck the Steadycam-itis” (Thank You). Also, Trek Universe is now Home of the Lens Flare because its deity has a striking resemblance to lens flare creator John Knoll.
This’ll be one of the most successful movies of the year. It makes me to feel so awkward for being a Trekkie all these years, but in all seriousness I was immensely satisfied with this movie.
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Which made it even more awesome. And it was already pretty good before the beer.
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I need to change my pants!!
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Dude Spock Prime did not travel back further in time because the amateur screenplay did not want him to!!!
Please tell me how Nero and his all black mess no external detail's squid ship can be in all Federation space at all times yet lacks the ability to travel 25 years into the future so waits 25 years undiscovered in Federation space until Spock shows up.
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from the Enterprise simply so he can meet up with old Spock and Scotty, that is the lamest writing ever.
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Seriously
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Yeah the whole 25 years thing is just stupid too. But then Nero was a stupid villain.
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The Narada annihilated seven starships simultaneously, if the Enteprise had traveled back in time to stop it initially, it would have suffered the same fate. The Narada had 100 plus years of technology advancement over the Enterprise, in addition, based on the prequel comic, to having Borg modifications. The ole girl God bless her wouldn't have stood a chance.
If we are going to call out plot holes or contrivances, let's at least be intellectually informed about them. I loved the film. Looking at it rationally, and jaded, as you all appear to be doing, the only contrivances I can recall based on one viewing, is that it was slightly weak, not fatally, but slightly weak the Narada waited there 25 years for Spock Prime to appear, HOWEVER, that being said, I would imagine the Kelvin smashing the shit out of it took a littlw while to repair you know? Also, it went by in a blur but, I seem to recall Spock Prime witnessing Vulcan disintegrate from his exile on Delta Vega. That should have been a no no. Vulcan has no moons, and Delta Vega is a planet. That is a definite oversight, I'll have to watch it again to make sure that's what occured. Again, however, Spock was mind melding with Kirk and narrating, so it may have very well been some sort of creation for Kirks benefit. We'll have to ask Bob to clarify that one a bit. But upon ONE viewing, literally, those are the only two smudges in reason I can find fault with that picture, it got SO MUCH, so very much right I can EASILY dismiss those two peon examples. -
Thanks for proving my point. Just because I have valid critical opinions i'm a cunt. Cheers dude. Eliminate individuality. Join the communal mind.
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Using the word intellectually in relation to this picture is crazy. Anyways we have to agree to disagree. It wasn't for me. Glad you enjoyed it though.
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really..you sound like a prick.
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It makes me not feel so awkward for being a Trekkie all these years (although I’ve never owned, worn or desired to wear a Trek uniform, and my social life with the ladies is doin’ quite well, thank you very much Bill Shatner.
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Even those critical of the movie (including moi), have gone out of their way to say how good Greenwood was. You know why? Yeah, he's a good actor, but more than that, he looks like he's lived life. He looks and acts like the man he is, not a pretty boy who's just left home. This is one of the main problem with movies and tv today. Good actors, actors that we all respect yet think are cool, that have the gravitas to carry a scene, have been phased out. And that is this new Star Trek. It's for teens. Always been a Trek guy, lost interest in Star Wars since Empire. Love Trek, but I seriously think the 70's animated series was more intelligent than this teenybopper version.
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Yeah and Spock Prime just happens to be in the exact right place at the exact split second time to save young Kirk's ass from the Lost Planet videogame ripoff lame monster with a flaming torch!!!
Razzie award for that scene and the entire movie in every catergory methinks. Could in fact easily be the Ben Hur/Titanic/ROTK of Razzies!!! -
tell me it aint so...thats almost as damning as calling yourself..um...Media Messiah
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and I can be just as intellectually pretentious as anyone on this forum. Tripe stands out to me as tripe, does anyone honestly expect GI Joe to be intellectual material? Or Transformers 2? The typical summer fare is glaringly obvious. You don't think I've read for two years all the concerns people have had and what this film could have been? How easily they could have screwed it up?
Im a VERY discerning discriminating Trek fan Kwisa, I was all ready to rag on MY Trek being ruined. I tempered and lowered my expectations considerably going on, bracing for another Phantom Menace,
but God dammit, you can call me a tool or whatever the hell else anyone cares to, when George Kirk was center seat alone talking to his wife I had fucking tears man. Absolutely came from nowhere. I knew right then and there I was in for something SPECIAL, and I wasnt let down. This movie owns. fucking. ass. -
new trek? it seems you have seen it. I am only seeing it this weekend. Given what you know of my tastes (Cameron etc...) can you give me a mini review? What are the effects like? How does Nero compare to past trek villains? etc...
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If you are going to apply that sort of stringent, go out of my way to brutalize logic to this movie, what, Old Ben just "happened to be there" when the sand people attacked Luke?
Dude come on I can make a laundry list of every genre films failings for the past 25 years applying YOUR logic. Lighten up man. These guys making this movie wanted to entertain not win a Pulitzer prize. Christ almighty. -
Yeah Nero is a complete joke.
He is willing to wipe out Vulcan instead of work with Spock Prime to prevent it ever happening. This is the same Spock Prime who is/was an Ambassador and specialised in Romulan/Vulcan relations so he is a diplomat and likely to be receptive to Nero's request!!!!
Another example of the poor screenplay from the Razzie hall of fame team behind this trash.
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thoughts..thanks very much...
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Well no, because R2 was on his way to find Obi-Wan. So it made perfect sense he came out of the desert help out.
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I never saw Rob Zombie's movie version of Halloween, and I am not a fan of Rob Zombie. You studio plants will do or say anything for your pay.
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Im seriously starting to think you guys didn't even watch the film your criticisms are so desperate and reaching?
Nero work with Spock?
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That must explain Nero. At least we don't have midichlorians to worry about. Do we?
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Lynch's Dune. Love the book. I THINk there is some really awsome stuff about the movie, the set and production design, the costumes etc...as you say you see a talented director at work in there...*sigh* the possibilities...but i really feel that Lynch got completely fucked over by a certain italian midget... Man if only Lynch had been left alone to do his vision 100%. The extended tv cut is such a big improvement. I really wish Lynch would go back and make the rumoured pre-existing 4 hour cut as a directors cut (which apparantly Universal has offered him), but unfortunatly he wants nothing to do with Dune, he appears to have disowned it...
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if I had just one tiny little indistinguishable atomised wish to change anything, I thought there was a great opportunity for Shatner to do the voice over at the end - I bet that's what they offered him and I can see why he turned it down and, you know, it kinda feels right for Nimoy to have done it anyway...
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You gotta do it on the DL.
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that's all for me, later all. I'm heading to another showing today. Gots to get my Trek groove on.
Analyze and criticize on , but I'm sensing some serious cognitive dissonance going on, people are trying WAY too hard not to like this movie. Don't worry, you've always got Transformers 2 or GI Joe, or even still Terminator 4 to save your summer and pin your hopes on. -
This film was a breath of fresh air in a cinema fast becoming stale. It entertained beyond any criticisms that I could, and have, come up with.
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Hey man, hows tricks? I didn;t like it (as you've probably gathered by now). Abrams doesn't really show any cinematic talent, no memorable imagery or framing. It's a fast popcorn movie and you may enjoy it is as such. I'm a casual Trek fan, liked the original series, TNG and most of the original crew movies. This doesn't rank with them IMO. Too many logic flaws in the screenplay. And Simon Pegg is incredibly irritating and feels like he has walked in from a completely different movie.
But you can see i'm in the minority. A lot of people like the story, fx etc. I thought Chris Pine did a fine job but the rest of the actors didn't really register for me.
Nero was a pretty bland villain, not thought through properly and hardly in the film much actually. Nowhere near as good as Khan or even General Chang in Undiscovered Country.
The FX work is well done but shot far too close up for my liking, not many wide shots so it feels cluttered. And no Enterprise sequences to match THP reveal. The shot everyne is talking about where the Enterprise rises up out of the clouds didn't do anything for me, probably because I didn't think much of the redesign. The Enterprise looks more stunted than majestic now.
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I wish Priceline would get another Negotiator.
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You're spot on about Dune, beautiful looking movie but gutted. The production design and costumes are the best ever. I kinda love it depsite its faults. And you're right Lynch has disowned it, we'll never see the full version. Did you check out the Novel version on YouTube?
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http://www.youtube.com/DuneTheNovelCut
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I'm curious to see what you thought of karl Urban as McCoy?? I've been very impressed with what I've seen so far. Sorry if you already said it earlier. I don't feel like looking through this whole thing. Oh and Dune is my personal favorite novel so......love the name.
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May 08, 2009 7:22:22 AM CDT
BringingSexyBack: Time Travel Rules Were Broken By Kirk...
by media messiah
...and crew, all the time...on the Star Trek TV series, and in the movies...and like they wouldn't do it again to save Vulcan and the original time line???
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He's one of the best things in the film, pretty much nails McCoy. Cheers!
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of trek once i ve seen it. And no i have not seen the dune novel cut, will check it out. Yeah dude, before being released Lynch had a 4 hour cut that was screene only for the cast and crew. After that it was cut to pieces. That 4 hour cut exists, but Lynch just wont do it, again, even thiugh Univeral has offered to let him. That actually pisses me off....
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You know it didn't occur to me when watching it, but Star Trek really is A New Hope. Everything from the big ship vs little ship intro to the farmboy looking off to the horizon...there are even pieces from Empire and Jedi in there.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, A New Hope is my favourite film, and my review way up nearer the top of the talkback was positive. It's a good movie...but it's more Star Wars than Star Trek. -
Harkonnen, love Geiger's still suit designs, love the use of rock guitar on the soundtrack, love the look of Geidi Prime....many things...
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Yeah, I think the situation was he had to make so many compromises through the actual shoot that he's not happy with the finished footage. But it would be cool if he'd put it together properly, just for the fans. Perhaps when Peter Berg's Dune hits? If it ever does, pretty quiet on that front recently isn't it?
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Its not surprising, Abrams is a massive Star Wars fan.
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obvious Dune influence on Avatar?
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Oh yeah, it's an incredible score, especially Brian Eno's Prophecy Theme.
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Re: Avatarm, only from what you've told me. But if it's one of the influences then yeah, cool, that can only be a promising thing.
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And so did my wife who HATES Trek. Was it perfect? Not at all, but you would be damned if you tried to find its faults while watching the thing it was so entertaining.
And it was FUNNY! Holy crap I have not heard people laugh like they did at some of the lines. Every key TOS line got a "yes" from someone in the audience, and NO ONE left till the TOS theme was over. -
we get it, you didn't like it. You're in the minority. Get over it. Move on. Blah Blah Blah.
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Dude if you cannot see why Nero would work with a diplomat Spock to prevent his family being killed (which we are never shown so again poor storytelling as its a crucial plotpoint) then its pointless me trying to fill gaps in your education. All Nero had to do was say to Spock your Red Matter killed my family and homeworld do you think Spock would say f*** you so what I'm keeping that red stuff as I invented it!!!
So out of character for Spock he would have just gone out of his way to ensure it was uninvented or been more careful.
Very basic screenplay rules (unless your the lame writers of this movie that is).
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To be a truly successful blockbuster, this film will need aggressive repeat viewings by audiences, and it is such a major letdown of a movie, the audience that goes to see this turkey will not return to see the film for second, third, and fourth viewings. Very few will take their friends, family members, significant others to see the new Trek, or even recommend the film to the important people in their lives, or those who have a passing meaning in their lives.After this weekend, where the film will get the top slot at the box office, the film will begin to tank badly into the 2nd and third weekend of release, due to that very lack of repeat box office, coupled with bad word of mouth on the movie, and increased competition at the box office by rival films.
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out of the 170 reviews at rotten tomatoes, his was one of the 8 "negative".. he gave the film 2.5 stars...
Again, you are in the minority. Just because you say the film sucks doesn't make it so. I quite enjoyed it. And I'm not substituting your judgment for mine. Just go away a week and come back to tell us how Terminator was awful... -
We should start banning that site too...hahahaha
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There's no such thing as an original timeline. Any Joe Sixpack with warp drive can change the space-time continuum, not just the Enterprise. Shit, one minute you're good Messiah, the next you're evil Messiah, only because some fucker went back in time to get some whales. What's my point? I don't have one!! It's popcorn fare, don't think too much~! Some people need to check their brains, but not me I'm bringing it in!!!!
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Enjoying your 'check brains in' saga enormously!
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ment but yeah there are several clear influences. First, Pandora (the alien planet) has several very valuable and rare resources that humans have found no where else. Thus the reason why the Consortium wants to control the planet. Second, it involves an outsider coming to and then adapting to an alien world and culture. Also, the Na'vi, like the fremen, have the potential to be a very powerful army if harnassed right...
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I'm a life long Trekker and have suffered the good and the bad - JJ's movie is all good!!! I was 100% comfortable with each of the characters - Pike nailed Kirk, and I was even really shocked at how much Sylar was Spock... This is a good day for Star Trek....
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I don't trust the brain check girl manhandling my shit.
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Very wise. Who know where those hands have been.
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All sounds good. Not long til we see some footage!
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quite on the peter berg dune front...almost too quite...Actually im dreading berg making dune, for me he proved with hancock that he should not be let within 100 miles of a genre project. In a perfect world if it was my choice, i wpould give dune to Coppola...Francis that is. And then i would let him make Megalopis...but thats just me...
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My prediction: Peter Berg's version will be horrific.
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and yeah......with the reviews on here, T4
by southafricanguy May 8th, 2009
07:54:13 AM
sounds quite dissapointing. Makes me dread McG's hair brained schemes for future sequals
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I'm not even seeing T4. Looks dreadful. The Terminator story ended at the close of T2 for me.
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its very late at night here in Korea. Thanks for all the info, and as always kwis you are and remain...fkn professional. Have a good one, later dude.
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that last shot of the black road going by....
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Yup. Closure. Expecting McG to make a good Terminator sequel is like expecting Uwe Boll to make a good Predator sequel.
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later, don't let anyone trash your fkn lights man.
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I haven't seen this film yet. I'm greatly atticipating it though. When I read Eberts reviews from this film and other ST films I get really annoyed at one thing. He always criticizes the science but in the statements he makes it shows he doesn't understand the science himself! So how can he be critical of something he clearly doesn't understand? I also don't like him being critical of elements in ST that he over looks in other films. Ebert has never given any ST film high marks. The fact that he's one of the few that haven't praised this film kind of puts that in perspective. I used to like his reviews but as of late ( and way before this movie ) have lost faith in him. I'm looking forward to this film.
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Dude thats the least of your worries with this movie!!
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Its been at the same level for nearly 2 days now. 8.3 from 2311 votes.
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What did you think of the bridge design? I thought it was pretty crap to be honest.
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... I thought "Trek" didn't HAVE alternate timelines, that if something was changed, it was changed in the very universe we've been watching. "City on the Edge of Forever," "Yesterday's Enterprise", and numerous other examples demonstrated this. So, who knows, maybe they did change the basic "Trek" universe after all. I guess we'll have to wait for the next series set in the 24th century... if Vulcan is still there, then Pine, Quinto, and Urban are indeed operating in some parallel timeline that didn't affect the timeline we're used to seeing.
Oh, and the relentless pace, quick cutting, etc. that characterized this "Trek"? I feel the same way as I did for "Quantum of Solace": It's perfectly fun to take that approach for one film, but next time let's get back to the measured pacing and stylistic flourishes we all know and love. -
Dude I hear you and think the bridge was not terrible but not good either. Just average, it looked very futuristic but at the same time the bridge set direction was so poor it left little impression on me (unlike the TOS movie bridge sets) which you could believe controlled a massive Starship.
I learnt that this new bridge is not newbie friendly though as Sulu could not even find the warp drive controls could he!!!! (and the filmakers thought this was funny when Vulcan was in peril!!).
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The knowledge of how to travel back in time is discovered by Kirk and the Enterprise crew in the original series, an event that HAS NOT HAPPENED YET and now MAY NEVER HAPPEN. Nobody in Starfleet knows how to time travel. The only one who know is Old Spock, who would know that introducing such knowledge into an already altered time stream is potentially hazardous. He's following the Prime Directive.
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Obviously Spock Prime staying in the altered timeline of his own past with his younger altered self will not be potentially hazardous will it...
Prime directive, yeah right like the screenwriters care about that. Ha ha.
Spock would use this knowledge to save Vulcan (but did not & would not) or his best friend Kirk (which again he did not do). Spock would rather obey the prime directive and let both his best friend & planet die yet he was happy to use it to save the whales and planet Earth.
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I've read your rantings here and already know you don't like it. I'll form my opinion for myself and let you know here what I think. I'm going to see it on Saturday with a bunch of friends from work. But I know I'm right about Ebert in respect of previous Star Trek films.
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In the prequel comic it says there was borg tech on the ship. Did JJ stick to that? How else do they explain how bad ass a mining ship is?
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The ones they put on Pike to make him talk?
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(which is really just a giant Blu-Ray player by the way). Fraking amazing. Reminded me a lot of the Star Wars: A New Hope. Funnier than I expected. Spoiler: Didn't like the Ulura/Spoke romance, but everything else was fantastic.
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And Spock saw Vulcan destroyed. Totally changed the characters. Made them edgier.
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Anyone heard them mention JJ Abrams Red Apple Cigarettes-like product Slusho in the bar scene in Trek. Slusho was just on the last episode of Fringe and I had a feeling it would be in here somewhere. When Uhura is ordering drinks the bartender mentions Slusho. ALSO...more obvious was the Red Matter which to me looks EXACTLY like that Rembaldi creation Sydney Bristow was trying to steal in the first season of Alias...I'm I the only one who saw this???
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TNG had an episode called where Worf jumped to alternate time lines and experienced different versions of the Enterprise.Also, Mirror, Mirror in TOS had an alternate timeline in which the galaxy was ruled by an empire. Sisko and the crew later returned to that very same timeline in DS9.
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But there's a big difference between using an existing method of time travel to save a planet (STIV) and introducing time travel to a culture that has no idea it's possible. Especially a culture already unknowingly adversely affected by time travel.
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Nero/Bana seems to be getting some stick about not being a good enough villain. To me Nero is the wronged man, in another film he would be the central character we would follow and cheer when he exacts revenge on those who have taken his dearest from him. He's the mad max of the star trek universe. He's not a villain, not a warrior...he's an angry minor!
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Saw it last night in IMAX with the wife and stepson and family friend. We were grinning the entire time. My wife, who's usually a science nitpicker, said that even though the whole black hole thing is scientifically ridiculous, she didn't care because it was so damn fun. I agree. This was a truly great summer movie, in the vein of old style popcorn movies. Great action, great characters, good emotional moments. I loved Spock in front of the council. I've never heard 'live long and prosper' sound so much like 'fuck you' before. It's funny when people complain about how it's 90210 Trek when, down to a man, these new folk are better actors than the original ones. Of course, they're given more to work with. Once again, Media Messiah is full of shit with a minority opinion just so he can get attention. This movie is TOTALLY going to get repeat viewings. I wouldn't be surprised if people go back over and over throughout the summer, it's that fun. As much as I loved Dark Knight, I really had no desire to see that over and over again. Just way too dark. Whereas this film is literally 'a new hope' in that it has a positive vibe, message, and outcome. Not to start a political conversation, but perhaps the first scifi of the Obama generation?
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you're utterly hilarious..me, a studio plant? I fucking WISH. I loathed all JJ's other films...im not such a sad fuck as you i cant have a good time in a cinema without exploding in a rage of sad fucking delusional nerd rage..
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You and Ebert are about to look like the pair of dingleberries.
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Jesus Christ some of you are whiny bitches. I saw the movie last night with my brother, who hates all things Trek, my 10 year old son, and my uncle, who worships the original series....guess what? We all loved it. It's not the original series, it's a new take on it. I love that they are able to now take liberties with Trek, and be able to take it in new directions. It's about damn time too. Trek was a tired franchise, with no where else to go. It grew stagnant, and became passe. Today's generation deserves a chance to be given their version of Trek. Some of you may like it, and some may hate it, but it's here to stay.
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and they get transported. Right? And, then when they appear on the Enterprise...they're still falling. What.The.Fuck. What don't you get about dematerialization and recombination, you stupid fuck who thought of that scene?
So, Kirk's one an ice planet, right? And, everything is white. But, then, here comes a red monster that seemed to evolve in an environment in which its skin color would be a severe handicap. Yeah, okay.
This movie may have been fun. But, it was retarded. Just plain stupid, like a third generation inbreed. That's right, like a Bush. Just crap. Search your feelings. You know it to be true. -
With all due respect:"perhaps the first scifi of the Obama generation" was one of the dumbest things I've read on this site. What an accomplishment.
BTW, I'm so sick of "I took my kids/friends/spouse to this movie, and they weren't Trek fans and they liked it." Okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Zero, zilch, nada. I don't give a flying fuck if the pope likes this one but hated the others. That adds nothing to the conversation. -
So like the original 60's series a lot of bizarre and implausible stuff happens...Star Trek started disappearing up it's own arse when the writers lost their sense of fun and adventure, and worried to much about the science. This film for me recaptured that. All it needed was Kirk's double fisted punch to make me a happy bunny.
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Correct, saying people other than hateful, self-loathing nerds like a movie doesn't add anything. The only opinions that matter are the ones that concern themselves over the skin color of an alien monster. There is a reason hollywood doesn't care even a little about your nerdish opinion: You hate everything and go see it anyway. Good job being a complete tool.
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Anyone else catch the very obvious slusho nod? Or think that the "monster" in this film look a lot like the cloverfield monster?
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They weren't STILL falling. They fell because they rematerialized in the air above the ground.
A tiger is bright orange in a dark green jungle. Parats are bright red, blue, and green. There are lots of examples of species living in an environment where their coat doesn't match. It all depends if you're predator or prey. And I'll vouch for that monster being top dog on his planet. -
Greg Grunberg's voice as Kirk's stepfather (pretty much all of Abrams' projects)
Slusho Mix at the bar (Cloverfield)
Tagruato Corp logo on one of the buildings (Cloverfield)
Amanda Foreman as bridge officer Hannity (Felicity / Alias)
- I cannot believe she's 42yo.
Red matter is a giant red ball (Alias)
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Dude so your saying its ok to alter history and save Earth but just because Spock Prime is now in someone else's past timeline he has to suck it up and let both his Mother & Planet Vulcan remain dead which will no doubt alter his own future in a major way and even perhaps his own existance.
Terrible writing to even go there and introduce this element as his mother has about 2-3 lines so its not like you know her enough to care that she just got sucked into a black hole (which the Enterprise manages to escape somehow even though its not even travelling at warp speed!!).
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I went to the press screening Wednesday night and it is really good. It's everything the Star Wars prequels aren't. It's everything Star Trek HASN'T been for years - It's classic 60's original Trek: Wagon Train to the Stars. Kirk is a womanizing, fist-fighting bad-ass. The casting is perfect and the heart of the characters are all there. The special effects are integrated into, and essential to, the story and NOT distracting (except one forgivable sequence) in that George Lucas "I feel like I'm watching a video game or cartoon" way. This is, in my opinion, the most accessible science fiction movie since the first Star Wars in 1977. It's not perfect, but man did they get so much of it right (think Batman Begins). It is going to be a huge, huge hit and is going to inspire an entire new generation of kids to be enormous nerds (like me). Gonna see it again on Sunday again with my dad.
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This Star Trek movie was by far the worst of the movies that dealt with the original characters. Yes, even 5 was better.
I'd just rather see William Shatner and the rest of the cast. They could act circles around this new group and had a chemistry that thiese punks will NEVER achieve. And let's face it, without the great core chemistry, the rest is just eye candy. And frankly this film didn't deliver on that at all.
And as for the cast, Karl Urban was an embarrassing imitation of Leonard McCoy, aka Bones. As was Sylar/Spock. The stuff they had going on between Spock and Uhura was cringe inducing. Scotty was okay, but the character was completely an afterthought.
And Chris Pine's skin was so bad, I thought I was watching Pizza the Hut from Spaceballs in a starring role.
I wanted to like the movie. I wanted to love it. But I didn't. J.J. Abrams is an egotistical asshole. He ALWAYS has to have some "fuck you" to the source material.
This time it was pulling a planet Alderaan on Vulcan. And that just sucks. Now the Vulcans are operating a la BSG. How screwy.
Utterly disappointing. You guys who are fawning all over this movie must have no taste. Certainly no objectivity. You've been had. -
Oh yeah, I almost forget my favorite one...
Rachel Nichols as Orion Starfleet cadet Gaila (Alias)
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I had so many hopes for this movie. Up yours, JJ Abrams et al!
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Things I liked:
1) Zachary Quinto - great young spock
2) Karl Urban - great young McCoy
3) Special effects, new ship + new warp effect.
Things I disliked:
1) destruction of Vulcan
2) Rapid promotions. From cadet to captain in less than a day.
3) Scotty was more like Shaun of the undead than Scotty.
4) Red matter BS
5) Kirk's Kobiyashi Maru test. He didn't even try to hide the fact he was cheating.
6) Shaky cam during all of the action/effects scenes. Incredibly annoying.
7) The idea that all of the future adventures of Kirk et. al have now been "erased" from the mythology.
8) More time-travel paradox rule-bending.
9) Kirk and old-spock meeting by accident on the ice planet.
10) Scotty's stupid little puppet side-kick.
11) The idea that anyone would still listen to the Beastie Boys several hundred years in the future.
12) The remake of all of our favorite characters pasts as if their original stories weren't good enough. They could have made a young kirk/spock movie without re-writing EVERYTHING we loved about these characters.
I know my feelings about this movie aren't shared by the vast majority of y'all, but I think they wanted it to be so fresh and new, that they went too far off course and cut into sacred territory. At least sacred to me. I will always think of this movie kind of the same way I think of Enterprise. An interesting "Mirror-Mirror", alternate universe, self-contained, non-canon, and seperate from the Trek I love.
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Someone bitching about Chris Pine's skin?? Talk about grasping for anything to vent your misplaced nerd hate at. If only the fanboy nazis would turn the hate where it belong: towards themselves. Please. Look in the mirror and realize all that hate you have inside is because deep down you can't stand the failure that you truly are. You're not really mad at a movie that has nothing to do with you at all. You're mad that you will die alone and unloved.
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I like reading all this stuff, but in the end it is all personal preference. I think if you let yourself jump off and enjoy the movie it is quite good. Not without problems, but at least this felt like a movie and not some bloated TV script like 80% of Trek before it.
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Just to add my two cents...this movie is not for Trek fans. It is without a doubt geared only towards those who have never seen a minute, a second, of trek in their lives and those who love Trek, like me, can only be a bit broken hearted. Yes the going back in time device is lame (it only really worked in the fourth and eighth film) but beyond that Bana was wasted and terrible (no Khan greatness for him) and I have to agree with others here in that some of the coincidences are just to huge to believe in this movie. Kirk is promoted to first officer after not even being a member of the crew and then just shows up in time for the captain to go, "Hey...you there...would you like to have a job?" Yeah right. One thing about Trek is that it used to be actually pretty spot on militarily but this was just kind of lame. That plus the distruction of Vulcan, the younger Spock being a dick for most of the film, and the older Spock being misused and hardly there (seriously I am not sure why he is such a lench pin for this film because you could get rid of him and save this movie from a ridiculous sub-plot of Kirk being trapped on Hoth...I mean an ice world. Not as good as what it was written up to be on this site but come on...last summer everyone on Aintitcool was saying Indiana was the best movie in the world. They were wrong...they are wrong again.
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Rebooting Trek was PARAMOUNTS idea for as long as I can remember. When I was you I lost all the arguments with the Star Wars fans because honestly Trek Paled in comparison. I for one am glad they didn't Undo the time problem and reset everything pack to Trek normal. They have made a good start. Watch the early episodes of ST:TOS and you will see that Shatner had not hit his eventual stride as Kirk. He grew into the character. Hopefully this happens to all the characters. I am looking forware to finding out.
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... there seem to be as many examples of the existence of alternate timelines in the various episodes as there are examples that the main timeline can be altered. Which essentially says the changes made in the new movie can go either way. Though they definitely seem to be leaning in the "alternate timeline' direction.
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the movie was the fucking tits.......... i loved it
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For a film you despised, you guys are putting an awful lot of thought and time into it. You revel in your supposed superior insights and boost your egos with every negative post. At the end of it all, though, I have walked out of a movie theater with a large group of friends (ranging from Trek fanatics to naysayers) who all loved it, and I thank J.J. Abrams for two hours of perfect escapism and fun. You, on the other hand, go back to your empty lives where the only sense of self-worth you derive comes from trashing what others find enjoyable, smirking with a smug superiority that belies the joyless void that is your universe. So sit at your keyboard and whine away--I feel only pity for you.
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If you're such a loser that making Star Trek more interesting to general audiences seems like a threat to you, then you're somewhere at the bottom of the nerd barrel next to furries and slashfic writers.
This is Trek now, and the reviews are great. The audience loves it. The box office is going to be huge... The reign of B&B's annoying, techno-babbly, self-important, terrible Trek is over. Long live the new timeline! -
Seriously, at least the prequels were so over-the-top they were funny. And you actually got to KNOW the characters. Trek just had a bunch of references to shit and fucking retarded physical comedy-lite. And every part of the story was just sooooooo fucking convenient. Maybe Trekkies are willing to accept that shit (along with Nimoy's terrible acting), but I won't. Did I mention that Leonard Nimoy is a terrible actor?!?
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It's odd someone would bitch about someone being a terrible actor and yet praise the Star Wars prequels. Probably just a twat trying to get attention. And here I am stupid enough to acknowledge it.
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The movie was outstanding, sure there were flaws (as in all movies) but the flaws were so few and minor.
Also, to all you people wondering why Spock can't just travel through time to stop Nero, the timeline has been altered! Thought the effects were great. First 12 minutes of the movie were just fucking awesome the way a space battle should be. (Loved the woman getting sucked out into space, SILENCE!)
2 hour fun ride. Can't wait to see what they come up with next as everything is changed.
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Detractors (and they are few but loud) are now claiming this film will fail at the B.O.? Even if that happens, it doesn't change the fact that the film is holding at a 96% fresh ratiing on Rotten Tomatoes, which is incredibly high. The detractors really need to let this one go because critically, the film is a certified megahit.
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Bullshit. I've been a Trek fan since the 70s... Maybe not as long as some people, but I watched the original series enough as a kid to have my butt in the seat when the first Star Trek movie came out, and I've been in the theater opening day for every one since then. I've watched every episode of TOS, Next Generation, and 90% of DS9. I skipped "Voyager" after the first season, and skipped "Enterprise" after the first five episodes (B&B Trek at its worst, despite my enjoyment of everything else Bakula has done).
I'm no Trekkie, but I am a Trek fan... And I loved this new one.
If you're so much of a Trekkie that you can't deal with a new timeline that is handled as canon, and would prefer to see Shatner's books turned into canon, then there's no hope for you. Go back to the conventions and see if Koenig will sell you his autograph for $20. -
All the quality in the world could not save the Enterprise...
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Actually, a project like this has been in the wind for *longer* than 20 years. As early as 1968, Gene Roddenberry mentioned being in discussions with Paramount about a STAR TREK movie that would detail Kirk, Spock, and McCoy meeting at Starfleet Academy. Seems a STAR TREK film utilizing this conceit was pretty much fated to happen.
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..of Phantom Menace is a certifiable lunatic..but ..its easy to prove too. Lucas forgot how to tell a dramatic story in film..if you think you can accuse Abrams of the same you a certifiable gibbering maniac who walked in with hate goggles fused to your empty skull. Theres more genuine emotion (yes even for ST's FLAWS) in the first 10 minutes of this film than the entire Borg like delivery of the whole last 3 star wars films. Anyone who denies it is in total self denial.
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May 08, 2009 11:04:51 AM CDT
Actually, this film is for anybody who is ready for change.
by thelastcleric
This is a very respectful reboot and the whole alternate timeline thing actually illustrates that Abrams and staff cared enough about the original mythology not to negate it or pretend it didn't happen. At the same time, they went a long way to establishing new actors and a new direction that in my opinion is fresh, exciting and loads of fun. I think many of the detractors had probably already decided how they were going to feel about this film before they ever saw it and that's fine; the original is still there and the new franchise is here for those of us who are looking to the future.
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With a new timeline in place I'd love to see Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise take on The Borg in a full blown military campaign like the one hinted at but not shown in First Contact.
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I'm betting Lucas is thinking that right now.
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I saw it at a 9:45 showing last night. It kicked anus! I really want to see it in IMAX now.
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To bite or not to bite.There is an old saying that you should never argue with an idiot. If you get too close to them people can't tell the difference.We must look like such arseholes to anyone who doesn't post here. I believe that one day science will prove that internet postings make you look 20% stupider than you really are.Typos don't help. Half my posts have at least 2 typos because I can't type quickly enough in a rant and yet I look like an illiterate moron to any daily mail reader who passes by.
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I'm having a hard time reconciling Star Trek as a movie and Star Trek as a "Star Trek" movie. As a movie, Star Trek was good. It was better than good it was great. Yet, I felt that as a "Star Trek" film, it was lacking something. It was lacking that Roddenberry undertone. For example, First Contact and Wrath of Khan were great in exploring the depths of revenge and vengeance at the cost of destroying one's self. In an odd twist, First Contact showed that vengeance can take you down two paths, Khan's or Picard's. Picard stepped back, Khan didn't. Star Trek 3 dealt with life. Star Trek 4, as hokey as it was, dealt with communication.
So what did Star Trek XI deal with? Emotion? If so, it just didn't feel like that was the undertone of the film. For me, it felt like "trying to get these characters into the spots they should be" was the underlying tone of the film. And perhaps, that is because this is a "reboot," "reimagining," whatever you want to call it.
I didn't read through the nearly 800 posts before me. So I won't pretend as if I know whether or not these issues were brought up by prior readers.
The film looks good. The winks and nods are there. Quinto's eye twitching was well done. And Abrams did a good job, but think of the ramifications.
In TV-verse, Romulus is now destroyed. Now, Romulans are the endangered species. Spock is now lost in an alternate timeline. Think about it, with two simple eliminations, Star Trek is now ripe to have new themes and places explored.
Random thought: If mining ships were so big and had so many weapons, why aren't they war ships?
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can only defend it by throwing personal insults at those who didn't like it and telling them to fuck off. Really, don't you have anything substantive to say about the film? The only thing I keep hearing is "It was fucking awsome, and all you haters can just go fuck yourselves!" You'll never win a debate if that is your only position. Not that this is even a debate. We're all just stating our opinions here. There is no right or wrong. Grow up...
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he obviously took the kineticsm of
Star Wars and applied it to the already cerebrally stimulating Star Trek...
too easy, i.m.o. kind of a no brainer, actually.
Abrams is a lucky hack.
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"I'm having a hard time reconciling Star Trek as a movie and Star Trek as a "Star Trek" movie. As a movie, Star Trek was good. It was better than good it was great. Yet, I felt that as a "Star Trek" film, it was lacking something."
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May 08, 2009 11:30:31 AM CDT
QUANTIZE HAD A LOT OF GOOD ARGUMENTS SUPPORTING THE MOVIE
by bringingsexyback
Scroll up. Many others did too. Now go fuck yourself.
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I was just kidding.
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You can't force somebody to like something anymore than you can force somebody to dislike something. I don't care who enjoyed this film because I loved it.
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like everyone else. It is what it is, enjoy it for what it is!
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96% is a pretty good average thought.
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This gets adressed in the prequel-comic. Nero's Narada is the 'last' Romulan vessel, and he manages to get it upgraded with Borg technology.
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Thanks. I did not get a chance to pick up the comics (I think it had Data and Picard's face on it too?). Thanks for clearing it up. I looked at the ship and was like that is definitely bigger than a Romulan Warship.
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OptimusValdez May 8th, 2009
10:56:44 AM
Question for all of you. How do we reconcile the death of Spock’s mother Amanda in the context of “Journey to Babel” and ST IV? Also, the destruction of the Vulcan planet to “Amok TIme,” ST IV, and basically every visit to Vulcan in TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9, etc? I want to like the movie, but these huge deletions in the time line really have me on the fence. -
Those events have not transpired in this alternate timeline. Nero's invasion of the timeline throws everything off. Consider the slate essentially wiped clean.
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Several mindmelds from Old Spock to Federation historians and POW --the "future adventures of Kirk et. al" (i.e. old timeline Kirk) are recorded for all to enjoy and learn from.
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Media Messiah,kwisatzhaderach,genrefanboy...
It's one thing to not like or even hate the movie...but no, if YOU like it your an intellectual midget and an asshole. This infantile trait of assuming their opinion as indisputable fact is so fucking sad...yet I can't turn away.
I picture them typing furiously, grimacing with sweaty, furrowed brows intent on not just criticizing the film but even omnisciently revealing the greed and insincerity of the creators for those of us too stupid to see.
"If they can travel in time why wouldn't they just do this, do that, blahblahblah" as if that validates it as a shitty movie. That kind of bullshit questioning can extend into infinity. You're talking about TIME TRAVEL which is essentialy magic,superstitious bullshit. Overthink much?
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In music there is manufactured bubble-gum pop that grabs the casual music fan by the ears automatically. There are also albums you don't know whether you like upon first listen. The pop music is quickly forgotten when there is nothing of lasting importance. The album you didn't know if you liked or not has grown on you and become one of your favourite albums of all time. When "Inland Empire" first came out I thought to myself: 'Oh no! I think I don't like a David Lynch film!' Of course the movie grew on me and now I am obsessed with it. I actually came out of Star Trek thinking it was quite top notch, but upon reflection all I can picture now is a hollow, empty shell of a film. There is nothing to make me ponder about what the future will hold for humanity. There is no real substance to this film. I'm actually quite disappointed. And I really didn't want to be.
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Trying to enter into serious discussion with true "haters" (as opposed to those who just disliked the film...there is a difference) is a worthless expenditure of energy.
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As someone that grew up with TOS as a kid but is far from a bona fide trekkie/trekker, this film does EXACTLY what it was supposed to do; breath life into a dead franchise and open it up to a wider audience. I get the feeling that's what a lot of the naysayers are really upset about. Their precious Trek is no longer theirs exclusively...
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Anyone have any figures on what this made last night?
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A couple of things. (1) While Paramount will no doubt feel vindicated by the fact that their tireless quest to some way, somehow reboot the Star Trek franchise with teenage leads finally broke through and succeeded, quite frankly, all that the (expected) success of the film shows is that had Paramount actually invested some serious cash into “real” Trek back in the day, the mainstream, non-fan audience would have come out in droves. The raw material necessary to create a blockbuster was always in Trek’s “genes,” it just needed an infusion of cash and confidence to be translated to the screen. In other words, “real” Trek didn’t need a re-boot, it just needed a budget that could not charitably be mistaken for “chintzy.” When you get right down to it, aside from J.J.’s apparent inability to write a “sciffy” flick without resorting to time-travel, “Dawson’s Trek” is really not much more than “Nemesis” writ bug-fuck huge. (2) In my opinion, some of the ire of the folks who weren’t entirely mesmerized by “Dawson’s Trek” (as expressed in this and other TalkBacks) comes from the repeated confessions of folks who swallowed this bright, shiny new Trek hook, line and sinker and yet somehow felt the need to boast about their past Trek indifference or outright Trek loathing. If I hear one more person go on and on about how they had zero interest in Trek before now, but that J.J. suddenly made them true believers, I’m seriously going to puke. We get it. That was the marketing angle of the new Trek. Get “Joe Fauxhawk” to clap for Vulcans. Cross-over to the mainstream or fucking die trying. J.J., of all people, could have been a hell of a lot more diplomatic when it came to dealing with this eldest and most well-established corner of fandom. The warning that true Trekkies should probably stay away was a flat-out insult and justifiably set the stage for a lot of the criticism that’s been thrown the way of the film. I still bristle at the TalkBackers who insist that “Dawson’s Trek” is the way Trek should have been all along. To that I say: on that account, you’re hugely wrong. The stories, the characters, the essence of Star Trek has been ever-present, even in the leanest of the Berman/Braga years. It just wasn’t nearly this pretty. (3) The score once again suffers in a film that is heavily over-dependent on CGI. I’m convinced that musical accompaniment is the very last thing on the minds of the current crop of directors. It was hugely apparent in the Star Wars prequels that music was an afterthought. The visuals in these highly complex computer animated modern blockbusters are being tweaked down to the very last day before prints are struck; it’s hardly a wonder that the score suffers therefore. “Dawson’s Trek” had no memorable musical moments beyond a rehashing of the Jerry Goldsmith theme in the closing voiceover. (Correction: no “good” memorable musical moments. That “Sabotage” scene was, is and continues to be abysmal by any film’s standards. Just shameful.) And honestly, that voiceover was the only moment in the film where I felt like I was seeing “my” Trek again. Although to have amped the emotional resonance of that send-off moment, I personally would have gone back to Nimoy’s voiceover from ST:III, or at least have used a digitally cleaned up version of the original horn flourish theme. But, hey, that’s me. (4) This morning, what truly bothers me is the idea that Spock’s devastating deathbed speech is now the laughable equivalent of a Kirk-Spock secret handshake. You need look no further than J.J.’s crass use of perhaps the most dramatically charged line in all of Trek-dom - “I have been, and always shall be, your friend” - as a sort of shorthand “whassup?” greeting between old Spock and new Kirk, to see just how badly J.J. misunderstood Trek. If anything in the pantheon of three+ decades of Star Trek could be considered a “sacred cow,” something you truly DO NOT FUCK WITH - it’s the note perfect death scene of Spock at the end of “Wrath of Khan.” There was no reason at all to use that one particular, heart-wrenching line as a gap-filler at one of the creakiest points of plot in the new movie. That it was (for at least the 3rd time) delivered by Leonard Nimoy did not lessen the blow; but, in my mind, only cheapened the power of the original. This is akin to turning “Frankly m’dear, I don’t give a damn” into a throwaway footnote in one of those endless Anne Hathaway/Matthew McConaughey “marry me” dramedies that clog the multiplexes these days. It’s like putting a “We’re going to need a bigger boat” quip into a sequel to Dreamworks’ “Shark Tale.” While I understand and appreciate the attempt to reach out to the older Trekkie fan-base, next time, please do it with a speck of understanding as to the long history of the property. It may make me sound like an old fogey, but how hard could it have been to have shown at least a modicum of respect for what came before? And this, coming from someone who didn’t outright hate the new movie; but one, who couldn’t quite bring himself to love what he saw, either. I’ll talk about the “good” later.
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Firstly, Star Trek IV mostly takes place in 1986 which is prior to the events of this New Star Trek.- In the new Movie, Spock and Nero travel back in time from the 24th century to the 23rd and Nero makes a major change in the timeline Which supposedly erases all the subsequent events of the crew of the 23rd century enterprise... This causes an interesting problem- the OS crew have already appeared prior to the Major Divergence of the time line (seen in this movie) in 1986. if they don't go back in time to 1986 in the future of this new movie, then they can't be in the past. if THIS version of the crew were to travel back in time to 1986, now, they would run into older alternate versions of themselves whose point of origin in the future had ceased to exist. A crew that came from nowhere. Yet when this crew from nowhere travelled back to the future with the whales in the hold of their bird of prey, they would end up in THIS future (ie. the movie) .
I think i need a doctor.
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Spot on.
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Is that Hollywood, out of pure spite, would just stop making big budget genre movies for like 3 years. The suicide rate amongst single white males aged 25-40 would skyrocket as they will have nothing to focus their white-hot rage at and be forced to realize how utterly empty and worthless their lives truly are.
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I love the Enterprise interiors in this one. You get more of a sense of a "spaceship city". The huge set pieces. The hundreds of extras. The hustle and bustle. All previous depictions of the various ships have felt claustrophobic by comparison.
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I thought the movie was awesome, and I've enjoyed evry STAR TREK movie ever made, some not as much as others. But this movie was great, don't douchebags and talk trash. This was of the best Sci Fi movies we've had in a long time.
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I wasn't in the best of moods when I saw this film yesterday (bought two tickets when I rocked up, only to be told by my friend that he wouldn't be coming...cinema refused to refund me the unused ticket...£5 ($10) for a bag of sweets and a coke...was told by usher that the film would begin at curtain up without ads or trailers, and yet yet there was half an hour of both...walked home in the pissing rain without a brolly...etc, etc) so possibly my feelings of indifference towards it aren't really fair. The special effects were breathtaking, the cast awesome, the dialogue fun and snappy... ultimately it was all a bit predictable though. It seemed the whole point of the film was to A) get the characters in place to begin some REAL star trekking and B) delicately (or indelicately depending on your POV) dealing with 40 year's worth of continuity so that the makers of the film can have their cake and eat it. By that I mean making it so that new adventures of Kirk and Spock can be made without having to worry about continuity errors and making sure Trekkies don't BAAWWWW too much about the reboot. As someone who is a casual Trek fan I think it might have been better to just do a straight reboot and leave out all the time travel stuff. Splitting hairs though I guess-- 8 out of 10, and I'll be looking forward to the next one.
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After two years of relentless fanboy bitching, the movie finally comes out, and whatdayaknow?! Nobody complains about the Enterprise being built in Iowa! That's a testament to this movie's awesomeness. Rickey can't wait to see it tonight.
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Saw it in IMAX last night. Holy shit. I really wanted this movie to be better than mediocre. What I got was probably the best movie i'll see all year. FX were awesome, and the acting is the best we'll see in a summer blockbuster in 2009. Every character was believable. Anton Yelchin and Simon Pegg nail their roles. Chris Pine is 100% believable as kirk. This movie is going to do better than Dark Knight.
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Wasn't nearly preachy enough! Since people aren't going to mainline Protestant churches any more who is going to fill the void of self-righteous cliches about being non-judgmental and inclusiveness if not Star Trek?!
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How many of you genius critics actually saw the movie.
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only complaint was the enormous amount of lens flare. almost every light in the cameras field of view has an exaggeratted lens flare effect. They are in every single scene, in every frame of film.
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" Kirk getting his ass kicked and nearly falling off something"
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No matter who good the movie is, it won't get anywhere near Dark Knight in terms of box office. If it gets within 200 million I'd be surprised.
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Its very telling that people like me who did not enjoy this movie at all can say why in a non abusive way & give plenty of valid reasons why.
I have yet to see much debate from the many who do like it to give more than a few words as to why.
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Having seen it last night, I wanted to chime in. I'll preface it by admitting I'm a Trek fan - but not enough to be considered a Trekkie...I watched the original series...caught a bunch of The Next Generation then saw nothing of the newer series. As for the new film, it was top notch for the first 2/3. Good action, emotion and acting...decent score and the best special effects the series has ever known. The last 1/3 began to unravel...*SPOILERS AHEAD* ....................when Kirk was marooned on the ice world...runs from some monster and goes straight into the cave where the elder Spock is staying. They then run a short distance to a starfleet installation where Scottie (having gone half loonie) has been all but forgotten about. The amount of convenient coincidences from then on...and the leaps in logic came dangerously close to derailing the film for me. Scottie comes on the ship and within seemingly minutes, is running the engineering bay alone (as if he somehow knows this ship better than the engineers already staffing it). He's a genius (as the movie quickly points out) but apparently is also psychic and knows where everything is. Spock gets provoked by Kirk - loses his cool then just resigns his command and everyone standing by simply allows Kirk to take command (who's susended from Starfleet at this point) because they're told "Pike made him first mate" (which no one questions). And apparently, the Romulans arm their mining ships with more torpedos than I've had hot dinners. All in all, I enjoyed it - easily the 2nd best Star Trek film...but not the perfect "flawless" film so many are claiming.
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Hey people, Kirk having sex with a green alien is pure Star Trek. It was a sandbox of every little bit of Star Trek series; and it never was not hard scifi, Star Trek was aimed for kids like I once was. And the movie is great, not the definitive Star Trek movie, but is lovely. And this is coming from a guy who thinks that the 70s motion picture was the best one
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After seeing the new movie I have some rather fixed feelings about it and the best description that I could come up for this latest movie is popcorn trek. It tastes great, you can enjoy it but after it’s gone you walk away with nothing. Star Trek has never just been about starships or phasers or klingons for those were the icing. The cake was the exploration of the human condition in the backdrop of space. What type of values and ideals do we foster and protect. What type of people are we and what do we want to be. The best Star Trek movies and episodes have always been the stories that explored the human condition whether it be revenge and self sacrifice in Wrath of Khan, how our short sided actions could have unforeseen consequences and cause our downfall as in the Voyage home to our ability or inability to let go of the past in order to forge ahead towards a better future as seen in the Undiscovered country. With this new movie there are plenty of battles (although most of the action scenes are seen in the trailers), comedy and references to the star trek universe but it was lacking when it came to the exploration of humanity. Now in a limited sense the bonds of friendship and loyalty were touched upon but really it was more like Kirk and Spock hate each other, old Spock shows up and says you guys would make a great couple and then Kirk and Spock become friends and save earth…the end. Granted there is only so much you can fit into a 2 hour timeframe but they could have flushed it out more.. Perhaps given more screen time to it instead of using Chekov for comic relief (why is some ensign addressing the crew about a distress call from Vulcan instead of the ship’s captain?). Also lacking was the sense of danger from this movie.. If this is an alternate universe and the universe we grew up with is alive and well then why should I care about what happens in this universe. If the old universe is gone and the power that be expect us to just throw away 40 years of great story telling just for one new movie they’re really kidding themselves. If this is an alternate timeline and they wanted us to actually be emotional invested in this universe then they shouldn’t have destroyed Vulcan… They should have destroyed Earth. That would have made for a more compelling storyline and universe to explore. What happens to the Federation, to humanity, to the characters we all love when their home is gone. Will humanity survive and hold true to its values or will it say the hell with the universe and circle the wagons around a new world as they try to recreate human society. Imagine that instead of the debate being heading to earth to fight Nero or meeting with the fleet (heading to their location at warp 3 was it…. 3? A little slow) the debate was more of Spock following orders to rendezvous with Starfleet to rebuild humanity or follow Kirk to go after Nero to risk what little they have left to save Vulcan. After getting rid of Nero there would be several question left for fans and the public to ask themselves.. What happens to all the human colonies at that point? Do they stick together or go their own way? What happens to Starfleet? What happens to the Federation since humanity was seen the glue that brought peace to the other member races like the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites? That is a universe worth exploring. Countless possibilities to explore the human condition in a more dangerous and unknown environment. That universe also would have helped make some points of the movie make more sense because once Earth is gone why not make Kirk captain right out of the academy.. It’s not as if they have many captains left. But instead the powers that be decided to blow up Vulcan as a plot device and leave humanity more or less unscathed once again. If they were going to reboot star trek and create an alternate universe then they should have mixed more things up and really taken risks. Blow up Earth, push humanity to the edge, have the Federation start to crumble with the Romulans and Klingons at their throats. At which point humanity as a big decision on their hands. Your world is gone. Your people are dying and at each other throats for any safe harbour. Do you abandon everything in the hopes of rebuilding and surviving or do you go down fighting the good fight all the way to the end. That if this is the end of humanity let us make sure the universe remembers us for who we truly are and make sure history never forgets the name... Enterprise.
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There are plenty of 'this film liks balz' type posts around here. Don't claim some intellectual high ground.The fact is a hell of a lot of people liked it. Most of us have posted 3 good reasons why on this site at various times but you either didn't read them or are conveniently ignoring them. Go look for mine. You can't find them? Let me know. I don't mind a little bit of ctrl-c and ctrl-v if it will get you off your high horse.
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I've never been a fan of Star Trek's time paradoxes, but this is THE exception. Using time travel to reboot the franchise with Carte Blanche control was brilliant - but only because they pulled it off PERFECTLY. I'm still reeling at the massive change in the ongoing Star Trek universe introduced about half-way into the film (it's not a digression from the material, but an event - I don't want to spoil it). Everything about the movie just felt spectacularly real... so much so that it was unnerving. Especially the aliens, who seem to have gotten a bit of an inspirational injection from George Lucas's glory days. This isn't just the best Star Trek ever, it's one of the best science fiction films ever. Even my girlfriend (who has never seen anything Star Trek before in her life) said "Now this is what the Star Wars prequels should have been like." Being a big formerly-ex-Trek fan myself, I agree wholeheartedly. Holy fucking fuck was that one excellent fucking movie. I'll be seeing it again. Probably more than once.
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I looked at your posts in this TB.
Thanks for proving my last point!!!!
Not actually on any high horse , just very curious why this trash is getting high praise when its total garbage & no-one seems to be able to tell me why in more than 1 word or sentence its so worthy of your praise (which answers my question anyway so thanks again!.
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Can't wait: 10:30.
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Heehee. Very true. That effect did seem like a crutch for JJ. But, I guess it helps with CGI to have some pseudo-natural elements in the shot.
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Because it didn't look enough like a 2 hour tv episode. Where is all the horrible makeup and stiff acting?
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"There is nothing to make me ponder about what the future will hold for humanity."
Jeez, I just want to go see a good movie and be entertained for 2 hours.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/saturday+night+live+shatner+/video/x930vt_william-shatner-snl-skit-get-a-life_fun
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Why don't the people that did not like it, go get some friends and bitch about it to them! Cupcakes! SLAP TO CHEEK! I saw it last week and while there are issues with convenient encounters... I loved it!
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I can't believe the production budget for Star Trek and Wolverine was the same!! What a difference a director who really knows what he's doing can make.
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Fantastic reboot. People wedded to canon might be upset with the changes, but this movie brings Trek back to life. This Trek was fun and entertaining, and almost as good as Khan, (I’ll never forget the night I got to see the Khan premiered in Stamford CT and getting to meet Leonard Nimoy.)
This movie in some ways was similar to TWOK; it could have been named the Wrath of Nero. Nemesis also was a tale of revenge but was a clumsy film that never hit the mark.
Thought the updated Enterprise looked great combining the old and new. Urban was the cast member who most nailed his character, I almost thought I saw D Kelly’s face flash on the screen he was so spot on. I just watched Doomsday Machine with my 8 & 6 year old boys, they were jumping up and down waiting for Kirk to get beamed off of the Constellation. I love TNG but want to see more stories with the classic TOS characters, they are timeless.
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I'm sure I'm not the first to comment on that, but I just noticed it. Urban had the best performance in the movie, and he's not on the poster? That's fucked up, yo!
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I thought Star Trek was a solid, fun, and invigorating movie. I can see why people wouldn't like it, but for the most part it was Star Trek as Star Trek always was. There was nothing there that felt like the writers, actors, and other production crew seemed to take advantage of or take for granted. It would seem that the crew and all involved did their homework and produced a great film that takes place in the Star Trek universe (or is the Star Trek universe). I'm a fan, but not hardcore. My knowledge of the universe is pretty much limited to TNG and DS9. I'll take a Star Trek film though for what it is and what is was was fun and entertainment. I will go to it again (possibly just to see the eyes on that nurse lady who delivered baby Kirk, that was creepy). I am a Star Wars nut and coming out of this was much more rewarding than any of the prequels. But a thought did cross my mind last night; what if someone tried to re-boot the holy trilogy? It sounds like blasphemy to me, and for that reason I can see why some fans are upset at this movie, but the praise exceeds the negativity (it appears to me). So yes, I did enjoy the movie. It was fun and when all is said and done it was a Star Trek movie, and it was done right.
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Brilliant as McCoy
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F*ckingtastic!
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The notion of this being a teenage Trek is ridiculous: Pine - 28; Simon Pegg - 39; John Cho - 36; Zach Quinto - 31; Karl Urban - 36; Zoe Saldana - 30. Yelchin is the only kid in this thing.
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Trek's Thursday night earnings
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star trek has better beginning and middle, but the most important part, the last act, Episode I wins hands down, why? Because Episode l has a villain that is actually a challenge, a real threat, nero sucked balls.....
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I think that is a fan-made poster?
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A) Assumes what it is trying to prove
B) Too hastily reaches a general conclusion on the basis of a few examples
C) Confuses the point at issue with considerations based on emotional and subjective appeal
D) Rejects a claim by attacking the proponent(s) of a claim rather than addressing the claim itself.
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$40m Friday, 30m Saturday, $15m Sunday...
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Great Star Trek is about moving forward and letting the past alone. This approach is brilliant because it frees the writers to play in this time period with these characters, but instead to rely upon fresh ideas (the foundation of Star Trek) rather than being bound by needless amounts of informational canon.
Some little things I loved:
Sulu kicking ass. It felt nice to respect someone other than Kirk in an action piece.
Uhura having an actual character and skillset (and I personally loved the Vulcan love-- wish they would have just nudged at it and let it simmer tho).
McCoy! Holy crap!
There were some troubling items as well (Kirk getting the ship so quickly, etc.) but overall I thought it was so much fun. I hope it's a huge success so we can see what they do when they are no longer bound by the 'origin story' rules. (If we go by the X-2 and Dark Knight standard then the next Star Trek is going to be off the hook, as, it is way better than Batman Begins or Xmen 1 could even hope to be) yay!
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..and actually generate more box office. Right now I'm thinking about going to see it again JUST to be sure I am not in the same place as you. I returned the gesture and read your posts. Even though I thought wolverine was pretty bad I still found breath to say something positive somewhere. You don't see anything good at all in the new Star Trek. Don't you think it is odd that everyone else can find ONE good thing to say except you?Could your judgement be clouded perhaps? When you aren't calling people dude (heaven help me) you are simply saying the same thing over and over and I suspect (unless Gene Rodenberry himself miraculously appeared out of nowhere to tell you otherwise) you are incapable of changing your mind. In short - a bore. And a pompous bore at that
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I am a long time trekkie and I loved the shit out of this movie. Overall, better than Iron Man, but cant be compared to TDK, partially b/c they are completely different movies. It's great entertainment, great sci-fi action, great acting and script. Only drawbacks: a few many lens flares, sometimes I didnt mind, other times very unnecessary. Also, Nero needed a little more exposition (I read the lead-in comic so it really was'nt a problem, but you should'nt have to read it to get the full grasp of the story). CGI and ESPECIALLY the sound mix were fucking awesome. GO SEE THIS MOVIE!!! BEST TREK MOVIE SINCE KHAN!!!!!!!! FUCK WOLVERINE!!!!!!
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I mean, look at Wolverine, the script should never have been approved, it's horrible and the rest of the production is pretty uninspired, but Trek, I was never a big fan of the series but the film is rocking it in all departments.
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Seems low but none of the showings on Thursday were sold out here.
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Wow if you can honestly nitpick about chris pine's skin dude you have some serious problems. they guy get more tail then your geek ass will could ever dream off. i saw him at a laker's game with a fucking L.A. 10, im sure you couldn't get pussy at a bbw convention with a cheeseburger on ur cock. get a life loser
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I'm gonna choke a bitch.
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Wow if you can honestly nitpick about chris pine's skin dude you have some serious problems. they guy get more tail then your geek ass will could ever dream off. i saw him at a laker's game with a fucking L.A. 10, im sure you couldn't get pussy at a bbw convention with a cheeseburger on ur cock. get a life loser
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You said that already. What happened, you went through a time warp?
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So, if anyone complains about JJ's total clusterfuck of a story line, they need to get a life? So...since just throwing out all the old canon and replacing it via an alternate timeline is ok, then you would have no problem if it was done to YOUR favorite characters right? People had hissy fits over Deadpool in Woverine yet wiping out an entire franchise and starting completely over is ok? This is the first movie where it would have been helpful to have read the spoilers BEFORE seeing the film. Then some of this tripe would have been easier to swallow knowing ahead of time that this was not a reboot but a fatal crash.
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This is a different timeline. One that will sell movie tickets.
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So upon graduating from Starfleet (which was never officially shown or assumed) a 20 something kid gets command of the fleets flagship? Thats like finishing the Naval Academy and assuming command of an aircraft carrier...bit of a stretch there JJ.
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Did you check your brain, or bring it with you?
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I loved how the barrel of phasers cycled from blue to red (stun to kill) Great sound fx for them as well...
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May 08, 2009 3:24:33 PM CDT
PIKEYS - STARFLEET PROTOCOLS ARE DIFFERENT FROM NAVY
by bringingsexyback
Even more so in this timeline.
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This movie is a neoclassical accomplishment, not some "cover band" riff on TOS (thank Bale!). The time travel plot device is used effectively here- the new timeline is essential to making this shit work. Nothing we've seen in past stories is to be taken for granted in this new version. Trust me, about half way through the picture you'll realize what I mean.
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Young Jim Kirk owned the Beastie Boys' "Ill Communication" album.
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If you're a green-skinned chick, you are most likely a whore.
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In the 23rd Century, Budweiser is called "Budweiser Classic."
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Dude I always rely on your opinion, thanks bud. Will be watching tonight in DLP, brain in hand. Praise Bale!
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They have sandwiches in the future!
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turns out it wasnt needed for this film.
What in particular are you smacking me for? The disdain for taking a cast of characters and completely flushing them or the questioning of a cadet being given command of a flagship? Im sure the younger fans will love this Trek and have zero problem with totally re-inventing everything about it via its alternate timeline but many classic fans will find it utterly silly and cheap. -
I thought the visuals were great and the acting was very capable. Pine was excellent as was Greenwood. Music was a bit over the top but the film looked great. Will make buckets of money for sure but then again so did Wolverine.
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Chill. That's an order, ensign.
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YYuummmy!
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Really puzzle me. An incredible amount of this movie is built on the stuff that already exists and is embellished in ways that are clearly intended for you (and not just as lazy throwaways). The movie even exists respectfully alongside in integrally with everything that has been produced to date...and it's also an entry point for many more people to enjoy what you have for years - ensuring that more AAA-production quality Trek will be made. I think they are confusing injecting fun at the expense of what they interpret as canon with fun period. The other nitpickers would complain no matter what form this took so it hardly matters. If you go in IMAX sit toward the back though.
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What exactly surprised you about Kirk getting the Captaincy at the end of the movie? A large bulk of Starfleet was wiped out at the Battle of Vulcan. And even beforehand, Captain Pike tells Kirk at the bar that they need more quality officers in the service. And based on the fact that Kirk took down a threat that no other ship could manage all adds up fine. Kirk is basically 5 years ahead of his TOS schedule.
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Aye Aye. Not lookin to stir shit here just dissapointed thats all. Had I known walking into the film that this takes place along an entirely different timeline then I would have probably been fine with it. I was expecting the Enterprise to go through the rift at the end and return things to normal. When it didnt, it was a "WTF" moment for me that wasnt easy to swallow.
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For those bashing the time travel story, i.e. why didn't they just go back in time...you are forgetting details of Star Trek. The ability to time travel was accidentally discovered during TOS, so they do not, in fact, know how to change time. Nero and Spock were not in time traveling ships,but accidentally sent back with no control of what time due to getting caught in the black hole. Now, Spock Prime could give the details much like he did the transporter formula, but I think they did a good job of showing the he was waxing sentimental at the thought of Kirk and Spock doing it all over again. Just a thought...
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I'm just watching a DS9 episode on Virgin and its the episode where they go back in time to Kirks time where the tribbles were everywhere!. They were just talking about a alternate timeline and the way they were talking, maybe the Trek canon isn't effected as much as we think with Abrams movie, it looks like TNG, DS9 etc could still happen as long as not much has been altered. Apparently you have to go back tens of thousands of years for anything to be considerably changed, not the 100 years or whatever this movie is based before TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
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Small point, but I'm glad the writers recognized that Kirk, who could fist fight with 4 cadets, was outclassed by anyone with Vulcan physiology. This is in contrast to the series "Enterprise", where Archer was beating up Vulcans left and right, despite the thinner air and heavier gravity.
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I know I am being picky. I mean....I can suspend belief for warp drive, phasers, and green bitches then why should this be a burr in my side? This just seems REALLY out of place. Yes you can have command and be called Captain while not actually having that rank but command of the flaghship of the Federation? Just a little much there.
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"Daddy, when is the next one coming out?" And..."can we watch the old Star Trek at home?" You bet we can.
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Respectfully, we disagree. I think they established Kirk's prodigy credentials well. And like I said, he proved himself in battle. Now, let's agree on the contrived set of circumstances that brought together the rest of the crew! WTF was Bones doing in Iowa? Or Scotty sitting on Planet Hoth? Wha???
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...IMO is that it updated the space opera.In terms of how it handled Trek, IMHO the movie succeeded by:(1) being a good, fun movie(2)Maintained familiarity while making it fresh at the same time.(3)came across as authentic and not disingenuous with respect to what's good about Trek and(4)It was not "kitchenette" in that it did not hurt Trek by making it small.That said, I'm looking forward the alternate timeline Khan in the next movie.
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I know you're not for Khan, but I think they can do can AND do the exploration thing too in the next one.
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That just made me tear up. You just enriched your boy's life. Balespeed.
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Yeah, my buddy and I were talking about it afterwards and certain things could come back in this new timeline- like V'Ger for one- and the Whale Probe- that's fodder for the fans, never a realistic story for a new movie of course. But I think the secondary market of books and comics have a great opportunity to explore these stories.
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and they could probably come up with something fun but I really wish they wouldn't touch it. A lot of the effectiveness (for me) comes from real passage of time between his appearance on the TV show and how many years later in the movie...we were as surprised and unprepared to see him as Kirk was (despite the title). They have license to riff now and I hope they do since they did it so well here but they have so many more options than going back to that well....I'm not sure how Pine's Kirk could engender a decades long mean-on for a "new" Khan either but I guess there are lots of possibilities.
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that JJ can have that penis removed from his nose. hehe
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ONLY SHITS LIKE THIS CARE ABOUT THAT SHEOT....http://www.trekdoc.com/.....lost cunts all
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May 08, 2009 4:12:48 PM CDT
BALE WOULD'VE DOUBLED THIS WEEKENDS BOXOFFICE
by jamescameron_strangles_a_bitch
ZERO DOUBT
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Nothing funnier than nerds arguing about the realities of dematerialization and recombination not being handled correctly because Kirk and Sulu are still falling after they are transported!! You guys are officially fucking retarded. How do you know it wasn't handled correctly? Because that's not the way it works in the real world?! Hey guess what nerds? It's a made up fucking technology THAT DOESN'T REALLY FUCKING EXIST - there is no right or wrong way to handle it!! No one really gives a shit that it doesn't work the way you thought it would in your pathetic nerd dreams! GOD YOU ARE A SAD FUCKING BUNCH!!
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if anything there were maybe too many nods to the trekkies....
but really enjoyed it, it wil make enough for a sequel and that will have to kick ass to keep them going on for years to come....but I thought the direction, music and actors were fantastic..
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I would put my two-cents in, but so many other have. I saw it for free a few days ago.
I liked it more than I thought I would, but not enough to say it was a great. The acting was better than I could have hoped for, except I wanted to beat the shit out of Pine for being so cocky--and wanted them to lower Quinto's voice electronically. Simon Pegg was hilarious, but should be less so in any sequel--he is supposed to be a brilliant engineer not C-3PO with his little R2-D2 sidekick. Uhura fares well, but is still a secondary afterthought to male characters--in order to have a bigger part they have to make her Spock's girlfriend. Sulu is basically a joke unless he is fencing, Chekhov has been written as Wesley Crusher with a speech impediment. Yay.
The plot, while getting everyone from point A to point Z is a mess, filled with logical inconsistencies. Now, I have read enough spoilers about "Countdown" to know what Nero's motivations are--but it sure would have been nice for it to be a part of the film. Also, the missing subplot about Nero's incarceration on Rura Penthe and what the Narada was doing for 25 years is sorely missed. Why didn't Nero conquer the Federation or take over Romulus in those 25 years? Why didn't he do ANYTHING while he waited for Spock? The "Hoth" sequences I found to be just plain silly, with the moronic "Ice Beasts" and Spock being at exactly the right place at the right time.
The fact that everything looked different, from Vulcan to how Starships worked--even before Nero came back in time--bugged me as well. Rather than talk about time-streams, probable outcome, or whatever--I choose to think of this as a completely different universe that Nero and Spock find themselves in, even before Nero destroys the USS Kelvin. And since this is a separate universe, I can't fault the events that happen in this film--but I can and do take exception to how the story is told.
The plot is weak, the characters (especially Nero) are underdeveloped and the aesthetic choices leave me cold. It is a fun movie, in a superficial way--and it is much better than most summer blockbusters...but that is not really saying that much, is it?
I think that Pirates of the Caribbean, Iron Man, X2 and Spiderman 2 were much better films that this and in many ways so was Superman Returns--at least those films didn't violate their own internal logic as this film does throughout.
And, I know that I am going to get flamed for my opinion--that people will say that I was negative going in and wouldn't let myself be taken in by it--but I honestly don't think that is the case. I thought that the Opening Battle was great, the "Sabotage" sequence (while somewhat grating) wasn't that bad--and that the scene between Sarek and Spock before Spock agrees to help Kirk was actually moving. Karl Urban's McCoy is so perfect, I hope they build the sequel's story around him. Christopher Pike is a great commander as played by Bruce Greenwood and it would have been interesting to see this move be all about Pike and Spock--but we had to get "Rebel Without a Starship: The Impossibly Meteoric Rise of Kirk" instead.
Hopefully the Sequel will be better--maybe even have a sense of discovery and exploration about it. But, now that I have seen this film for free, it will be a while before I see it again and pay. I have a birthday coming up next month--maybe then, if I am not seeing Terminator or UP for a second time... -
http://aintitbalenews.simplwebsite.com/reviews/movie/255-dgdb-saw-the-star-trek
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Don't be a twat, I never slated anyone who liked the film.
It's not a film aimed at me, it's a film aimed at kids. If that gives Trek a new audience then great.
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You're telling me all of those hangups you mentioned blocked you from having fun watching this movie? Some gripes you mention I consider legit, others are truly off-the-charts nutty.
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come out in time? Didn't get it. But, other than that, the movie was cool.
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Great point about the casts ages. Like Ebert commenting onPine sitting in his daddy's chair. He's 28...there are younger men in the military operating multi-million dollar hi-tech hardware and equipment...this is not unheard of.
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You did a fine job, sir.
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I thought it was very good, though shy of great.Yes, you are correct. There IS alot of material to draw from for the next movie from TOS. Hadn't thought about Voyager from TMP, but that could work too IMHO, especially after seeing what's possible with the TRANSFORMER F/X (and a rebooted Voyager would lkely be a Transformer-like machine).
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There was not much to like about this movie but I liked the following which I talked about previously on this TB):
1: Bruce Greenwood is a very strong presence in this. I liked his character. Shame he was only onscreen for a few mins. An even bigger shame was how his superior acting skills showed how lacking most of the rest of the cast were.
2: Chris Hemsworth as George Kirk looked perfect and should have been JT Kirk. His few mins of screentime left more of an impression on me than all of Chris Pine's little bitch Kirk added together.
3: Karl Urban as McCoy he was ok but not given enough to do and nearly all his dialog was cut & pasted from DeForest Kelley's in TOS. Shame his warmth was cancelled out by Pine's coldness and lack of warmth as it undermined his stronger acting because I felt a fridge freezer would have responded better than Pine did. Are you sure Pine was not another Vulcan half breed or something!
4: Zoe Saldana as Uhura had a pulse and in the little she was given to do came across well.
5: The opening 12 mins was passable shame the VFX virtual camera was too close to the ships though. Still it was acceptable and did not suck IMO.
6: The Young Spock on Vulcan was again brief but did not suck I though things were getting better when I saw that but no it went downhill again after.
I'm not hating on this movie just for the sake of it. I am hating on this movie because it is a very poorly made film which so happens to offend a ST fan like me as it goes too far and the mainstream is trying to shove down my throat that its an amazing movie as all I hear from everywhere is how good it is how awesome it is etc etc.
I would love to see how people feel if they tell JJ & friends to go remake LOTR but make it a reboot and make it mainstream, I really would. That's why JJ said ST fans should not see this as he knew it would offend them but being an easy to please popcorn filmgoer (who greatly enjoyed Transformers & Armageddon) I thought it cannot be that bad can it surely....... I was very wrong!!!!
Hopefully JJ & co will get Xenu & the Zetans in ST12 as the bad guy or failling that how about a ST vs Hannah Montana crossover movie with 16 year old space babes crewing the starships then Uhura falls for the lesbian one and makes out in Spock's quarters with her whilst he pon farr's with them both at the same time. -
No, a lot of it was fun--and I think that a lot of the positive reviews are people who are so glad that it wasn't as bad as they thought it was going to be. But, it doesn't change that it left me a bit "Meh".
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May 08, 2009 4:53:51 PM CDT
Yay good movie!! I was worried it would be a bad movie
by joker gordon levitt
but it was a good movie! YAY! Star Trek is a good movie!
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Don't put Kahn in the new Trek B Universe. It would be a gallon of pee on Maltoban's work. Bring on the Klingons!!! Those damn communist metaphors!
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Wanting to lower Quinto's voice electronically is nutty! And let's be honest about aesthetics- of course they were going to update the look and feel to match contemporary tastes. You're not going to spend $165 million to recreate old cardboard sets! Let the guys have their own version of it- certain parts of continuity are best left in the dust.
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With the timeline screwed up, she's probably turning tricks in SF.
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This one was great with all the heart and emotion and rage and entire planets lost, but ST is also for nerds, and as a nerd I loved the nerdy bits. ("I never thought of space as standing still" and ejecting the warp cores to break free of the gravitational pull). I was really hoping someone would use an "inverted Tachyon Pulse", but I guess that's a Picard trick.and Kudos for including the Kobayashi Maru!!
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I don't get it, he got emotionally involved in 1 mission, so he took some time out, why didn't he re-assume command later instead of Kirk?
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May 08, 2009 5:11:10 PM CDT
Anybody have kooks dressed in Star Fleet costumes at the showing
by fletcher_hanks
Anybody have kooks dressed in Star Fleet costumes at the showing? We had a whole group of them, and the "Captain" gave a speech (about raising money for some animal shelter) as the commercials were rolling in the theatre!
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We get it, OG Trekkies. Waah, they blew up Vulcan. Waah, this is a watered down story (whatever that means). Waah, this is Trek for kids.
Yknow what? These points are so baseless and stupid. YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET ANY NEW 'OLD' TREK ANYWAY. Get over it. This movie embodied the best elements - the heart and soul - of the original series, and cut away all the garbage that never lent authenticity anyway - the verobse technobabble and hokey sci-fi plots that tried too hard. How can you say that this Trek's plot is worse than any other? It's not like WoKhan was Oedipus Rex or War and Peace...it was a simple revenge plot. TMP was simply AI self-realization. ST3, ST4 - Friendship, Death and Rebirth. ST5 thru Insurrection - who gives a shit, really. Box office and franchise developing failures. Wow, not legendary complex story arcs that you would pass off as superior...simple plots filled with spacebabble that Trek has alienated any kind of a strong following with.
I think your problem is that you OG'ers want Trek all to yourselves, and that's just silly. It's not successful or even remotely cool for a movie to only appeal to a clueless, delusionally elitist fanboy cult. This Trek is made for everyone, and god damn you should be glad it was this fucking good, because guess what? You'll get more high quality Trek the way it was meant to be.
You can keep buying your toys and wearing your tight shirts over your pot bellies and your phasers on your belt at Halloween, hoping there's girls at the party.
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Was going over his posts and he kinda reminds me of those Right Wing loonys who spout off lies and THEY KNOW they are full of shit. He says it wont have repeat viewings. WRONG! Everyone I know who as seen it will see it again. Then he is calling people Studio Plants honesty I could say the same thing about you. Fox is notorious in going after its competition in any way possible and Star Trek is gonna beat Wolverine like a drum in the box office. In fact Wolverine wont see the number one spot again. I could go on about what I thought about that movie but I dont want to be you. In fact I steered clear of the Talkbacks after I saw it. And its going to have a new generation of kids being Terkers and not Jedis. So Fox has double to worry about with the success of this film. It would not surprise me one bit to have Fox plants trash it. And that you didnt even mention Wolverine in any of your posts also raises a Spock questionable eyebrow. You say the audience was board and didnt like it. Where the fark did you see the film? The sold out audience I saw it with was laughing at the jokes and clapping at the end and all talking while walking out of the theater was very positive. All my friends loved it even my brother who hates everything and I was sure would hate it liked it. So there goes your post on bad word of mouth.. Another lie.. go figure. And how about that 95% positive on Rotten Tomatoes? I guess they are plants too. ( Wolverine? 36% owch. I guess its good that it will be on DVD before the end of summer )Im really wondering if Massiah saw the movie or just had an agenda all along. I kinda feel bad for the Star Wars fans who trash the film. Hey I was like you. Till I got into TOS and TNG and DS9. Ha I love using 3 letter words. Its tough to be a fan of something that does not feel the same about you. George did not care what we had to say. At least Paramount wants to make fans happy or is trying to and make a good movie not a self centered jerkoff. Sure the Movie didnt have Roddenberry's social plots that fueled his vision.. BOORING! Saw that in Star Trek 1 And that better suited for a TV show not a film. Hey if they can do that and make it a entertaining film then hats off to them. people want to have fun and be entertained at a trek movie not Do The Right Thing in space. Star Trek IV pulled it off with the save the whales thing though. Ok enough of that and on to some of the quibbles that people have. The falling transporter. Ok when you transport all of your molecules get dissembled and reformed where you are transporting to. That would take away any falling speed you have. The force of being transported would affect you even at a still position if that was the case. Whatever the speed is on being transported does not effect where you are going to. Right? And I didnt find it a plot weakness when Kirk met Spock prime. Nero put Spock prime on the nearest planet to watch Vulcan be destroyed and and the events where Spock got rid of Kirk happened right after Vulcan imploded. Sure it was quick how they found each other..Beats Kirk walking around the ice planet like a dope for days. And older Spock led Kirk to Scottie because Spock knew thats where he would be. ( how TOS Scottie got on the Enterprise is another question )I just cant wait to see what else they have in store for us in the next one.
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I felt that Trek was let down by a mediocre third act beset with coincidences and logical inconsistencies. It did though have very strong acting, particularly Quinto and Pine. In fact, I think if one thing hurt the film it was Nimoy's extended cameo and Pegg (I don't understand the praise he's receiving.) Overall, this at least digs ST out of the scrap heap it was under like BB did for Batman. I doubt they'll come out with something as good as TDK, but who knows.
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For the millionth time, they weren't cardboard, the were wood--and they could have followed the shape of the original bridge consoles and just update the controls and the monitors---but that wasn't what bothered me. What bothered me were the obtrutsive lights and the white hallways--and the engineering section that looked like a brewery.
In some ways, the Kelvin looked more like the old Enterprise than the Enterprise. Also--the E was never meant to be a super-advanced ship, it was meant to be one of many standard Starships that just happened to be crewed by some of the best that Starfleet had to offer. But, once again, Abrams had to make it like Star Wars and make it all about destiny--when the original Star Trek was all about Humanism, which is kind of the opposite of Destiny.
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All in all, it was a pretty good film after i'd adjusted to the actors playing the iconic roles. Maybe a little too much forced humour that didn't need to be there but it was o.k. The only real problem i had was the music. It really took me out of the story and seemed like it hadn't been composed for this film. It felt as the composer really didn't get it.
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May 08, 2009 5:33:24 PM CDT
TallScott: Plant--Read My Post On Alexandra Dupont's TalkBack
by media messiah
This is truly a bad film...and you are a studio plant. I have never even seen you post before or many others who are posting. More proof that you are a plant!!!
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The illogic of the plot twists pulled me out of the film. Star Trek should have more logical coherence than a Star Wars movie. It is not a galaxy far far away, but our own --only the future. The world should operate similar to our own. Show me a naval cadet just out of Annapolis who gets to be captain of a battleship--even during war time--and then we can talk believability. Other have mentioned the other logical problems.
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The new Star Trek movie was highly entertaining and that's what I go to the movies for. Sure it had it's faults but it's been a long time since we've all seen a Trek movie with some heart. I agree that the next one needs to focus on a stronger story, but this one set up the characters nicely. Bana was wasted a bit as Nero, he was pretty good but never developed, still there is room for improvement. Enjoy Star Trek but don't expect a cerebral experience this time round.
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Alright, yes I'm a Star Trek fan, but I didn't care so much about the continuity issues. It was a stupid script for simple people. It felt like every other cornball remake that comes along these days. Seriously, Heroes is more intelligent.
I was able to enjoy it a little, for the action and effects, but by the second hour, I was looking at my watch. It felt like it was written by a kid what with the goofy dialog and forced plot twists. Although, I suppose if you like stuff like Transformers, then you'll like this too. I had to see it once, I won't bother renting the DVD. -
you need to get out more !
My girl wanted to see it , we went last night, i wasn't fussed really , thought the OG series had it's charm but the other series and crappy films ...nah. so went in not knowing what to expect.
I loved it, for me it gave me everything i wanted in the prequels but didn't get. I thought it was exciting, great to look at, characters were great - a summer movie that has a little more than than just explosions. so of you need to get a grip its a fucking movie nothing more nothing less. If you hate it that much do something with your life instead of bitching on the internet and make your own movies. I wanted to be entertained and i was, i ask for nothing more from a blockbuster. -
The music really took me out of it too. Not just the Beastie Boys, but the score itself was astoundingly weak. I almost never notice a bad score, but this was like nails on a chalkboard to me. In fact, although I hated the script, I guess I'd have to rank the music as even worse.
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...that he has nothing in his life other than his Firefly and Serenity boxsets to watch over and over again. His life is empty, and he wants revenge.
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You sir are talking rubbish. You must be a desperate studio plant as you know this movie is not going to do the business you want.
WOM will kill this very quickly I guarantee it.
This movie is bad not because it ignores ST canon or insults the legions of ST fans with its 90210 ST/Hannah Montana level screenplay.
Its bad because the director is not qualified to make a big screen epic and lacks the skills to film even a mediocre screenplay for anyone other than the MTV-ADHD crowd.
Its bad because the screenplay contains the most stupid & contrived situations a mainstream movie has seen for many years.
Its bad because most people will see through the dumb story & weak acting by the majority of the cast.
Its bad because there are so many logic issues and unrealistic setups.
Mostly its bad because the concept just does not work for a 2hour piece of entertainment & the filmakers lack the required skill to turn this into a decent movie.
You cannot ignore ST canon AND expect your target audience to NOT question it.. But wait I forgot your target audience is not the ST fanbase (as JJ himself said recently "DO NOT SEE THIS MOVIE"). -
When they get stressed, their eyes turn glowy... Arguing about who is a plant is pointless. It's not like we can boycott each other. Hey, I am a plant. See? I'm still here. The best part of my day today is reading all the whining on this site. Just imagining how many of you are typing in your tattered underwear, while lines of milk come pouring down your chin is more entertaining than any movie.
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I have to say I REALLY wanted to see this, at least until the coverage on this site became almost like force-feeding it down my throat (very much like the 3 years I had to tolerate the endless crap regarding the Lord of the Rings movies). It's gonna be one of those times again when everything is slagged-off whether its any good or not (Oceans 11 springs to mind). I'm taking my daughter to the cinema tomorrow, and we'll probably go and see Coraline instead.
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Only because i wanted it to be great. Now I know that no Wolvie movie would have lived up to my expectations; I car for the character too much. I guess its the same here. I liked the new movie, but if I was a OG Series fan instead of a Next Gen-er, I'd probably be up in arms over their being a Wampa/Vagina monster chasing Kirk.
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It blows like my nose
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3 movies from now we'll all be complaining that Pine and Quinto are too old and calling for another Star Trek reboot with an even younger cast.
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where does that fit into this world? They were claiming it was the maden voyage
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No, it wasn't true trek for the hardcore fans, but that's the whole point of this film. True trek needed a good kick up the arse as it became very stale, every story had been recycled so many times it was ridiculous. This new movie at least respects old trek by preserving the original timeline, yet returning some of the comeradery that seemed to be missing over the years. What i'm trying to say is that it was at least treated with some respect and it really could have been a whole lot worse.
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May 08, 2009 6:02:32 PM CDT
To the people defending the time travel to "reboot" the series:
by ironhelix
If they really just wanted to start over, and not be bound by any of the canon of the series, then why the FUCK didn't they just use different characters?
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Good decision my friend as your right to be highly suspicious of the almost perfect reviews.
I mean even The Empire Strikes Back or Raiders Of The Lost Ark would not get perfect reviews would they??
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I have a question about the alternate timeline: where does it begin? As in, when does it start to diverge from the TOS's timeline. This was never made clear in the movie. Does this mean that when they encounter the Botany Bay (launched in the 1990s), it will look exactly the same as it did in "Space Seed?" Someone please explain.
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apart from the music as i said. That was just plain shit
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Meh.
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Scotty mentions Admiral Archer. This movie takes place right before the Original Series in a new timeline.
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Especially if it is in 3D. It is a great movie, made by a great director and will only get better with time.
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Just curious; what was your problem with it? I'm a tridentine fucking film snob, and I loved it. I thought it bested even Wrath Of Khan. You seem like a nice enough fella, please explain.
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... has for some time now. What did "Dark City" do to this man to have him make a career out of sucking the dick of Alex Proyas? "Knowing" - 4 stars. He always was Tito to Gene Siskel's Michael. Star Trek forever.
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I've been there, and this edition has some wonderful things. It also has some parts that just fell flat. Star Trek lives!
Fans who see the body of work that is Star Trek as perfect and ideal should look at the whole worldline, starting back in the mid-60's with cardboard sets and paper-mache foreheads. There have been good shows and bad shows and embarassing shows. This newest incarnation is no different.
However, the underlying *theme* of Star Trek has survived: People make a difference; a positive attitude gets results, and the future is something that everyone get to help building (even those who die trying). That zeitgeist is still there!
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Listen nerds, saying other people are idiots won't make you smarter. I've watched every TOS episode and movie as part of a drinking game with my roommate like a year ago. It was intelligent on a third grade level. "OOOOH, the man in the sexually explicit leather costume quoted Shakespeare! How intellectual! They should build courses around Star Trek in universities!" ST was always dumb fun, and so is this movie. Okay, I'll give you Chris Pine, awesome as he was is really young to be Captain, but he will age into the role for the sequel. This was the most fun I had in the movies this year. Let's hope T4 and what have you will be half this entertaining.
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they tried to please everybody (old fans, newcomers, the franchise's interests and mostly succeeded. That's a pretty impressive feat.
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...this was all popcorn and bubblegum. I can understand a person enjoying it for the action maybe, but the writing was God awful. Hearing everyone clap, at the end, was the official start to my belief there's something in the water dumbing us all down. What a shame, considering that Lost is currently firing on all cylinders right now. In fact, I'll say it, Phantom Menace was better. It's just that our standards keep getting lower and lower. But hey, if you loved it, I truly envy you.
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come on...in the 23rd century I'm sure spinal injuries would be a thing of the past.
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You are so pathetic that it actually defies description. You can screech all you want like the worthless toad that you are but it really doesn't matter. The majority of fans and critics and general audiences have embraced it. You fucking goddamn geeks should be thrown in a fucking ditch. This franchise was saved from the shit heap where it had been festering for years and finally given the A-level treatment and you still have to spew your stupid shit. Every TNG film looked like a TV episode with a little more effort put into it but yet somehow JJ Abrhams doesn't have the ability to make an epic film. Did you actually see the movie you bottom feeding piece of shit? And in comparison to the past (the past being a place where losers like you will be stuck forever) films you are saying it doesn't look epic? Shut your stupid mouth. You fucking cock sucker.
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"James Bond shouldn't have blond hair. Waa waa waa. Batman's voice is dumb. Boo hoo hoo. Everything in Star Trek is too shiny. Faggot faggot faggot"
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Destroyed, all of them. Except for Enterprise with Quantum Leap. That still happened, but that's it. No, it's not in an alternate reality, it was erased from the timeline, never happened, never will. Not Tos, not Wrath of khan, not TNG, not the Dominion Wars, not Voyager's journey. They. Never. Happened. Just like Bobby's death in Dallas. Fun, huh?
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This film is the balls. To the proverbial wall.
Are these tired cunts still in here crying about not liking this outstanding film? Incredibly predictable.
Hey dumb cunts, Kirk ascending to Captaincy at a young age IS canon you obtuse pieces of ignorant uninformed flotsam. That's the whole God damn point, He's a fucking prodigy and for a time was the youngest Captain in starfleet history in the prime universe.
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Thanks again for proving one of my earlier points!
TBH I agree with you ad most of TNG sucked badly as did all of Berman's Trek TV shows. Am more of a TOS fan of the movies & TV series which is why this trash annoys me more than somewhat.
A-Level treatment. Ha Ha even one of the production designer's on his personal blog said the movie had no budget which is why it looks so cheap in places & they had to create an engineering set literally with no money (you would never guess that would you with the onscreen result.......).
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outstanding person of character, then this movie goes along way in suggesting that fathers are not really essential.
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Ha Ha you kill me no really. LOL
Prodigy yeah right maybe at getting beat up for being a punk ass bitch. Shatner's Kirk was a prodigy your right but this is not your father's trek so Pine's Kirk is not a prodigy. -
I find it HIGHLY enlightening and relevant to todays culture, that Bob and Alex elected to make Kirk a child of a single parent, MUCH reflecting todays times and broken marriages and parental relationships. Kirk getting the asshole stepdad to rebel against is very telling to 2010 sensibilities. Kudos Bob and Alex.
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There was no payoff to the Pike interrogation scene. Clearly it was an homage to the worms scene in Wrath of Khan, except it never payed off later in the film. A deleted scene perhaps?
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Sure, Kirk was the youngest captain in starfleet history, but you don't get promoted to captain straight out of the academy in ANY parallel universe. I am truly in awe of how stupid this script was.
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You missed the part where Pike said Kirks entrance test scores were off the fucking charts. This film is nature versus nurture. Kirk was genetically predisposed to be who he is. The absence of his father that nurtured his interest in starfleet, left him wandering awhile, until Pike basically took on the mantle of father figure and broke it down to him, subsequently tapping into what was ALREADY FUCKING THERE.
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Hey dude cool..Ill respond to your post over on Duponts post after I read it and hey Generefanboy. Did you ever watch one ep of TOS or the movies?? My god the movie was oozing references to the ST cannon. I guess spock primes " I will always be your friend", The Kobayashi Maru and many more were just pulled out of the writers asses. That compliant is kinda like why isnt Nolans Batman like Burtons Batman. This is a reboot any fan going into the theater knew that. This is a new cannon that honors the old one. Id think any fan of Trek would be stoked that this generated new interest in Star trek from fans and makes new ones along the way. You didnt like it. I think anyone who reads Talkback gets it..Gezze. I went into the theater and got what I wanted..Kirk was Kirk, Spock was Spock and was very entertained thru the whole thing with some mental meat to chew on after I left. I disagree with you and the haters completely and it was 9 bucks well spent soon to be another 9 bucks when I see it again. ( or 5 if i dont see it in IMAX )As the one on this movie will fail financially. Man I dont know where you live but all 4 screens were sold out for each showings at the AMC 18. They had to tack on another showing at 12:50 and that had a line to it when I was leaving the theater. Ill do you one better by calling the theater to see if todays are sold out..BRB
Yep 7:40 showing sold the fuck out. So whatever man. I liked it alot everyone I know and the people talking in the theater after it was over liked it. 95% of critics liked it. Im kinda with you that it wont do Dark Knight numbers perhaps if was released in late July it would be close. Im betting $500 mill worldwide. And if it does not stay at number 1 till the new terminator movie gets here I will eat a tribble! ( The Dark Knight had that there were no more real block busters in its path going for it). And then it will stay number 2 unless T4 sucks like Space Mutiny ( very doubtful ) then it might pop back in number one. Hey im sure we will be here debating the the Second one three years form now so its the ones who liked it who won this. Dude I wish I was a plant or working for a studio. Im just a movie geek who has a large DVD collection ( Now blu-ray...Fuckers! ) and stopped talking to a co-worker after he said his fave movies are the Epic and Disaster Movie ones. -
Why is Scotty seemingly the only officer serving in an engineering set that looks like a well lit high school boiler room? Is the Enterprise heated by radiators? I demand to know the answer!
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The film fails because of the villain's motivation. Nero gets sucked through a wormhole and travels back in time in an advanced ship and what does he do? Does he go back to Romulus and warn the Romulans and save his wife and family. No. Does he go to the Federation, tell them he is from the future and Romulus needs their assistance in evacuating the planet? No. Does he seek out Spock and get the "red matter" from him to save Romulus at that juncture in the past? I mean, traveling back in time actually bought them time to save the doomed world. No. What he does is wait for 25 years for Spock to reappear so he can make him watch the destruction of Vulcan. Dumb. And in this newly revisioned Trek, at the film's close, Romulus still exists but Vulcan is gone? That being said, it is the best Star Trek film yet, but solely because the other films have been rather poor, more often than not suffering from a good case of liberal message filmitis. You guys shit all over Lucas for the prequels, don't give this thing a pass with plot holes you can pilot a starship through.
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You go literally save the fucking planet and we'll see what you are promoted to. Kirk probably could have had an Admirals position after the shit he pulled off and the lives saved in this movie.
Are you people really still bitter Enterprise was cancelled and Wolverine sucked donkey nuts? WHy aren't you all in a Bale talkback sucking on his untalented sack rather than toxifying this forum?
Christ almighty LOOK AT ME hey everyone LOOK AT ME I didnt like the movie I have to keep posting that over and over and over so everyone can LOOK AT ME. Some of these fucks give fanboys even a bad name. -
Thank you for giving me more entertainment value than this entire POS movie with your pseudo sociology lessons.
A line of Pike dialog to say something is off the chart kind of clashes with showing this same punkass munching on an apple whilst he is supposed to be in a simulator. I think NASA or the armed forces would not take too kindly to that level of insult so you have to assume Starfleet are on a similar level and would not promote a person to Starship Captain when he could not maintain a professional approach in a sim.
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till the sequel, it's happening too fast for him. That1s my only problem.
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so here's a thing, given that Old Spock knows a lot of the dangers the future will bring, will he use that knowledge to prevent disasters and prepare humanity for inevitable events (vger,the probe in ST4, Khan, the Borg) Surely this would be a logical use of such knowledge?
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coming from a few detractors like Genrefanboy. (what a name) You certainly live up to that handle fella.
We can safely assume moron Kirk had exposure to things pertaining to starfleet all of his life via his widowed mother. Kirk had the natural aptitude genetically from his father. the whole fucking POINT of the movie is that even in an altered timeline nature and the universe attempts to right itself. These people like it or not, were destined to serve together on the Enterprise and do their thing- and no punk ass Romulan can change that. Their circumstances may vary slightly, but the end result is the same, they end up where they are supposed to be.
How can people possibly run out of effective steam of things to bitch about and reduce themselves to he shouldnt be Captain? Are you fuckers 15 or what? When you perform as a Captain in action , which the man did the entire movie (didn't pause or think twice before leaping for SULU, self sacrifice just like his father)the rank of Captain is merely a formality. It isn't rocket science faux-geniuses battlefield promotions happen all day long, though thats not even relevant since starfleet procedures has really nothing to do with our armed forces. Kirk saved the planet Earth, Christopher Pike, and the crew of the starship Enterprise. You're god damn skippy he's a Captain. He's THE Captain. -
Well Spock refused to use his knowledge of time travel to save his own mother & planet so what do you think??
All those events you mention are in another timeline so they will most likely not happen as Spock Prime has decided to stay in the alternate timeline with his younger self. -
Not really... http://tinyurl.com/trekmistakes
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That's a very valid question, my guess would be based on Elder Spocks pension for wisdom over knowledge and logic, no he wouldnt interfere but rather step back and let things play out the way they are intended to. Vulcans being refugees changes things. Elder Spock will probably occupy the remainder of his life attempting to rebuild Vulcan culture I would guess. He seemed almost hellbent on getting the crew together and let them do their thing.
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Exactly. It was entertaining, but kind of hollow. Perhaps the missing scenes fill in these blanks, but in that case they should have left them in.
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WHAT THE FUCK WAS TYLER PERRY DOING IN START TREK?!!!! O.k. Sorry. The use of the Beastie Boys was stupid. Sorry.
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Why doesn't OLD SPOCK use his knowledge of slinging around the sun to get an armada of starships to go back to the exact moment when the Narada came through the singularity?
The could have trained all their weapons on it and destroyed it, or sacrified their lives in the past to destroy this great threat.
Even if it was only the Enterprise and a couple of ships, they could have used their weapons and detonated the antimatter in their warp drives to destroy the enemy.
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I am attacking you because you deserve it. And now you are saying the film had no budget. So you are a liar in addition to being a worthless piece of shit. I called you a cock sucker because you're a cock sucker. And a complete liar.
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Would love that stupid fucking engineering "set" come on... really? Steam tunnels.... REALLY? Weak beyond words. Other than that, entertaining.
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Same point I have been trying to make for ages. At least someone else understands!!! You would think that his half human side would at least try this as he was prepared to take the risk to save the whales & earth but not his own family & race!!.
Poor screenplay is your answer.
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they did happen in another timeline and the events that set those stories in motion- the voyager probe/extinction of the humpback whales and khan being exiled from earth all occurred waaaay before the point the timeline is changed in this movie. Thus those events (and strangely the klingon bird of prey with an aged enterprise crew landing in san francisco in 1986) are all in the past of this time line.
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As soon as he returned to the past, he was captured. He had no chance to save anything or anyone.
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Hey cool name by the way. Red Zone Cuba is one of my fave MST3K's As for the engine room scenes yeah I was kinda shocked by that too. I guess I was expecting Jordi's office space with the reactor engine room. But I thought about it and was like have you ever been in an engine room? Its not a pretty place. It would be like hanging out in a large furnace with pipes and such powering the warp drive, teleports, ships heating, anti-grav, and defense. Its a place you dont have to make it pretty just do the job. The MST in me was thinking it looked like the entire Space Mutiny set. ( Crush Rockgroin! Slab Steakface! )But it made sence. Perhaps we will see more of a crew down there next time or just Scottie and his pal being a greasemonkey and keeping the Enterprise going. It does lend fodder to the trekers who blueprint everything out that was parodied in Space Quest. Yeah it did happen a bit too sudden but if I didnt see Kirk do his thing in the chair I would have been pissed
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The soundtrack isn't! Oh - and Kirk's got no older brother anymore... that is just something to be swallowed. Hey - I'm chewing on it right now! ;-) BUT - Vulcan is no MOON of Delta-Vega - no matter WHICH time-period! Overall - a funtastic ride on Movie-Warp-Nacelles! JJA and crew got almost EVERYTHING RIGHT! I love it!
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Man oh man, I've seen Harry and the crew jerk off to movies before, but the raving, drooling STAR TREK love might very well be AICN jumping the shark. This was a fine summer movie with great effects, fast-paced story, and a few nice surprises. But let's face it. The script has major logic gaps, half of the cast was acting at 90210-level quality, the music was way off, and the directing was routine action-movie stuff. Do all of your readers a favor, AICN, and try to get back to objectivity when you post reviews. Take an extra day to think about that special screening you just saw, and ask yourself if you really wanna hype it up as the second coming of cinema. STAR TREK = pretty good, harmless, disposable fun. That's all.
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that the universe is actually a multiverse. One does not change the past, and one does not ever return to a single or original time line. One just jumps around from one timeline to another timeline out of an infinite number of different timelines with different scenarios. In millions of other simultaneous timelines Vulcan the planet is not destroyed.
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Saw the film, didn't love it, didn't hate it. Wouldn't pay to see it. It will beat Wolverine this week, and then be number 2 next week then number 4 in the third week. It's hardly going to be as popular as "The Dark Knight" and it NEVER could have been.
The problem here was trying to please too many people. Hard core Trek fans (like myself) won't love it because of all the changes to canon, or reality. And there's precious little draw in new people who won't see a Star Trek film anyway. This isn't a date flix, oddly "The Dark Knight" was, it's a film for "Star Trek" fans. It's updated and cool, but it just doesn't have the heart of a movie that's going to shatter box office records.
I suspect "UP" will do better, because it's more well thought out. I think there is a good to great Trek film in there, it just needs to be thirty minutes shorter and either go for the full on Galatica look, or get rid of the Willy Wonka pipes in engineering! It looked as futuristic as an 1950 water treatmeant facility. -
true, that did happen, but that's kind of ignoring what time travel allows you to do.- He wasn't always captured, at the end of the movie he is free. So he could travel back in time then and undo everything.
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Attack me all you want as you cannot possibly hurt me. However, I am only here to discuss this movie not personally attack anyone with immature insults. You obviously lack the education to realise this and for some reason people like me who have valid negative reasons about this movie are not welcome to discuss them are we.
One of the films set designers said it on his personal blog about they had no budget not me. This was in reference to why the engieering set looks so cheap as they had run out of money apparently. -
Old Spock could have gone with Kirk and used his knowledge of TIME TRAVEL to go back and destroy Nero in the past, which is what I was expecting to happen...and for some reason they didn't do it.
Unless of course, the whole point is to get a trilogy of films where the Universe gets worse and worse until they go back and change everything back.
Which if they did, I would be in awe of--tell a Trilogy of films in a tangent universe and then reboot it back to the original Universe when the cast is ready to move on to other things. Because, let's face it--we'll get a trilogy of films before everyone gets bored again. -
really was a piece of crap. if u thought that it good, you have mental problems
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im just depressed after seeing it
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Do you feel cool hating on something everyone else seems to enjoy! Dumbass! You probably creamed your pants during Wolverine
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Hmm...so it was not too bad. It wasn't a total smash, although I do think if I see it a few times more I may warm to it. Hell, I warmed to Transformers 1, I can warm to this for sure. It is probably because, I was actually around to see TMP, Khan, and all the rest in the theater. I have grown up with great sci-fi like Alien(s), SW, Blade Runner...and I have to realize that this is what will pass as good sci-fi these days. I just have accepted it.
That said, I can see alot of people not liking this. There are definately way too many coincidences and it really feels like a primer for a "real" adventure, which hopefully is what we will get in the next one. I actually have no problems with the cast at all, I can live without exact matches of the original players. The battles and effects were pretty decent, again...not khan worthy, but decent. Scriptwise, it was ok...I think the problem is STORY-wise, it needed to cook a bit more. I wonder if there is a bunch of lost footage or something that may enhance this...I would love to see a longer cut if it exists to see if some of the plot holes are fixed.
so where do we go from here? Well, last I remember, we are supposed to go on a 5-year mission exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new civilizations, which is fine..FOR A TV SHOW. Not a movie series. I get that this Trek can be totally different and ok, thats fine. But it hasn't earned any more winks to the original series. It hasn't earned them yet. No Khan, City on the Edge of Forever, tribbles, Mudd (well, maybe just maybe Mudd). At this point, I think you have a decent cast, who need a purely new adventure. No more time travel also, that needs to be done. Over. It has been beat to death by Star Trek alone, not to mention countless Sci-fi over the years.
All in all, ok...you have my attention. Ease up guys too. Remember, to get to Khan, we had to go through the motionless picture first. I will give them another film to earn my trust. -
But the sets looked so CHEAP! Everything else looked great, but God, the sets in the old series looked much better. I did like Engineering, though. And the shuttles
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Do you remember when Phantom Menace premiered and everyone was in love with it...for about a day and a half? Where everyone liked that Anakin was a petulant brat instead of being Haley Hoel Osment, all spooky and preternaturally smart, like he should have been? How everyone tried to overlook Jar-Jar and say he is "an evolving character" and will grow and be better in the sequel! How the effects laiden Pod-Race and characters were held up high for years--instead of what was glaringly wrong with the film?
That is what the response to Star Trek has been like. You get caught up in it, go for the ride--get caught up in the WHIZ-Bang adventure of it, then you go home with a smile on your face.
Then you go home and think about it. Then the holes in logic begin to appear. Then you start to become critical. Then you start to pick it to pieces. Then it really starts to bug you. Then you go to see it again to see what you liked in the first place.
At least JJ and Crew didn't take out an ad like Lucas did that said "PLOT MATTERS" after Godzilla came out. Because when you compare the plots of Star Trek and Phantom Menace, you realize that the plots are really kind of silly and simple and really no better than Godzilla...and it becomes the Pot calling the Kettle "Black." -
This was NOT TPM. This didn't have a six hour pod race scene in the middle of the movie, and action sequences that went on for hours. This was tightly paced.
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Star Trek has always been full of plot holes. That was part of the allure. That is why trekkies were created. TO try and make sense of this that could not really be explained. That is the genius of Star trek. It makes no sense, it is ILLOGICAL, and fans tried to make it logical. I truly believe JJ knew this going in and wanted these inconsitencies in there on purpose.
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At the end there when he said, "History goes back on course", or whatever. It's a fun movie. Get over yourselves.
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Yes, I understand your point, but the point I tried to make earlier is that in time travel no one really goes back in time to their own timeline. You can only go back to another timeline in which events play out differently. Spock cannot go back to his original timeline before Nero came through the portal. In another time line Nero never goes back in time either. The idea is that there are an infinite number of timelines that make up the multiverse and each one is different in that other contingencies are played out. Simultaneous there is a timeline in which you posted to the talkback today and one in which you did not and one in which you saw the movie today and one in which you see it on Saturday, another on Tuesday and on and on. Logically for Spock there is no need to go back, because there must be millions of timelines that exist in which Vulcan is not blown up. In the one that he is in at the end the movie, it has been and they need him. So he stayes there.
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I really, really liked it. And yes, I've been a Star Trek fan since I was less than 10 years old.
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Classic Budweiser!?! Nokia cell phones?! Thank God Maytag was sponsoring anything in the movie or you would have had Scotty putting his wet clothes in a clothes dryer powered by dilithium crystals.
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i understand that theory, but it's not one that is consistent with the previous star trek movies involving time travel, Unless any trip back in time was not done to save the earth, (as seems to be the case in iv and viii) but just to make life better for the person time travelling.
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Maybe you hit the nail on the head.
Kirk couldn't live with living in the present where something goes wrong, but Spock can...
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I know what you mean. The multiverse idea is talked up in TNG when it is convenient to the story line. When it is not then it is the single universe theory. In general, if you are going to ask the original question which you asked (which is not a bad one) that is why doesn't Old Spock use his knowledge of time travel to return earlier, etc. then you will need to ask why don't people from Spock's era regularly go back in time to fix all of the major problems that trouble the universe? The risk, of course, is that time trouble becomes a universal solution. Storywise it becomes a deus ex machina. All problems can be solved simply be going back in time.
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Interesting slip. BTW does Iowa have canyons?
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thats because you're the one with mental problems...its also why you're depressed
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It was a man made ravine. Kirk drove through the barrier that said KEEP OUT!
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Re: Canyons, I wondered the same thing, seeing as how I grew up in Minnesota and have been to Iowa many times without seeing any geological formation remotely like that. I kinda just assumed it was man made (perhaps for mining?).
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I disagree with the Phantom Menace analogy... while I liked some of the things in PM... I did not want to see it again. I liked this much better and want to see Trek again ASAP.
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That could be what the ravine is for--they could be mining for the raw material to make the ships.
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Hot babes...nice actors, great plot, great script, nice effects...totally rocked in every possible way!
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God, it's times like these I'm thankful for not being one of these so-called fans who over-intellectualizes everything and doesn't know how to enjoy a good ol' sci-fi romp, or life for that matter. Pick away haters, Star Trek is a blast that does appeal to a very broad range of moviegoers. It will do huge numbers - not just this weekend, but in total. I had my apprenhensions, but JJ and crew, and especially the cast, pulled off what might otherwise have been another nose dive for this long adored series. Was it everything it could have been? No. But what is? Today, I'm one happy TREKKER!
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this had more excitement and fun that the prequels.
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My 2 cents... saw it tonight. It was fookin' kick-ass. Want to see it again. 21st impressions: especially pleased with the design and cinematography which somehow nailed the "retro/full circle" thing... bringing back the primary-color day-glo look of TOS. And no movie since Kubrick's 2001 has effects-wise gotten "space" this RIGHT, while also making it cool to watch. Somehow the "little toys floating around silently in a clear tank" effect really works. Even the lens flares and heat distortion fx all work to this final goal.. It, um, kicked ass.
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...and the movie itself? SO - VERY young James TIBERIUS Kirk didn't "lent" the corvette to be near some strange construction-site as he would be fascinated by the IDEA there's a starship being build??? Instead he just wants to rattle cows and stuff like that. WHY is this scene so important for the movie?? It doesn't seem to make any sense - does it??? Kirk's past has been definitely altered. So - strange coincidence?
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I am irritated to say the least with all the knitpicking going on concerning this movie, I have monitored ainc for years now but never registered because I am a listener not a talker. Obviously many of these individuals need to make a more thorough analysis before commenting on plot holes, etc.
Think a little more people. Nero was waiting for future Spock before starting his revenge, and his computers would be able to calculate when Spock would arrive. Furthermore his ship has limited armaments as all ships do and he cannot afford a battle against scores of starships as he probably used up a good portion fighting the klingons. He also has to keep Starfleet confused because all a Starship captain has to do is detonate the warp-core near his ship. So he must stay one step ahead. Kirk figured that out.
The timeline has been altered already because of crap from the STE series. So Starfleet is 20-30 years more advanced than in STOS.
If you realize Spock's surprise at finding Scotty there, you know this timeline has been slightly altered already.
Engineering section is more realistic and functional, you can take this from someone who has an engineering background.
Bridge is too sleek along with corridors, this goes back to the timeline being altered from STE and Starfleet tech is 20-30 yrs more advanced.
Kirk is too young to take command. Christ! people, read your fucking history (real life), and then tell me about all the young men in their early 20's who took command positions, I can name dozens just off the top of my head.
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his father was on.
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in The Menagerie, Spock smiled with surprised delight in reaction to seeing Captain Pike if I recall, so there was a precedent on screen for a younger Spock showing emotion. Not sure if anyone mentioned that already, but figured I say as much in response to his character going against canon in respect to his showing of emotion. I enjoyed it quite thoroughly myself and enjoyed the fact that they nerfed shields to the point where they aren't nearly much of a protection insofar as preventing transporter functionality as well as damage - although that could just be in relation to physical weapons rather than simply energy weapons. I very much enjoyed the characterization of Bones, anyways. Looking forward to seeing it 3-6 more times this summer since I plan on checking out the subpar summer fare that is coming, including wolverine on tuesday to make up for the fact I pirated it and would like to show my support for a deadpool film, much like how I went to see FF:RotSS to show support for a Silver Surfer film written by JMS. Here's hoping that Deadpool doesn't suck. Independence Day I think I went to see 5 times in theaters the summer it came out when I was a kid. I intend to break that with Trek.
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Care to explain to us where Jim Kirk's elder brother is in THIS timeline?
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sees Vulcan implode while being on Delta-Vega? Really - just nitpicking... ;-)
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Honestly, I cannot believe people say this is better than The Wrath of Khan. At best this is something like the 6th best Star Trek film.
It's clear that Kurtzman and Orci are shit writers as this film is full of plot-holes and nonsensical occurrences. Why would you build a starship on Earth? Why did Spock have enormous amounts of "red matter" (now there's a creative name) on his ship when only a drop was needed for the black hole he created? Why did Nero spend 25 years just sailing around space when he could have been arming Romulus with future technology? Why are cadets who haven't even graduated being made senior officers of the "flagship"? Quick everyone! Vulcan is under attack, everybody graduates! Etc, etc.
As a villain, Nero was about as effective as Shinzon, and just as unremarkable.
Giacchino's score was pretty forgettable (like most of his work), I don't know why Abrams keeps using him.
The special effects were pretty damn good, but that's hardly a compliment when you're supposed to be telling a good story.
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Who cares where Kirk's older brother is? This is a different universe and there is literally an infinite number of choices and actions that could have resulted in him never existing.
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Overhyped for sure, but still incredibly fun. Most of you ignorant pricks sound like just that. Get out of your mother's basement and get a life before bashing an excellent film just because you want to be different from the crowd.
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"Engineering section is more realistic and functional, you can take this from someone who has an engineering background." WHAT YOUR DEGREE IN? engineering Beer making? That shit was shot in a Beer Factory. It looked so outta place it isn't funny. This is supposed to be a 23rd century spaceship with a unique power source. All they did was slap a few fake consoles to doctor up everything. Have the cast run around and jump off the stairwells and scaffoling so you can't get your visual bearing. Add lense and camera glare effects. Shake the camera and edit the smoke and mirrors. You end up with crap. Don't get me started with all the pipes and valves all over the place. Sick Bay looked like shit too, what little we saw of it. Pure Hack film making.
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The only thing I found wrong, I think, is that they can only go Warp 4. What? Couldn't they go Warp 5 100 years before? But, considering that that's the only thing I can find wrong with movie, IT WAS FUCKING SPECTACULAR!!!! MAKE THE NEXT ONE NOW!!!
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This is the fast, cheap and out of control version of Star Trek. A decent enough diversion. But not really as great as the hype. Still, considering this could have been The Phantom Menace I suppose I should be thankful.
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WTF is it with Abrams and his obsession with vagina/octopus/crab monsters? A Freudian problem in early life? The ice planet scene called up unfortunate images of Starship Troopers bugs and the giant mantis in the jedi arena in SW/AOTC. Why???
I liked the cabbage head alien though. Kinda like the Lil Sprout, Jolly Green Giant's sidekick.
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I'll add my own nitpick. It makes no biological sense whatsoever that that predatory monster would be colored red on an ice planet. There would be a strong selection pressure for that creature to blend in with the white background. No way it would be that deep red. But really, that's a stupid complaint.
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Vulcan is in the 40 Eridani A Star System. Spock could see it's destruction from ...where was he at?...oh yeah. DELTA VEGA! IN THE VEGA STAR SYSTEM. From "Where No Man has Gone Before" Delta Vega. Oh and as I recall...It wasn't an ICE PLANET.
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Fucking perfect. I couldn't stop smiling.
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Everyone cares for Jim's older brother. Especially the (k)nitpickers from space! ;-) Seriously: timeline was altered obviously AFTER Kirk's older brother would have been delivered by Cameron(!). ,-) Ultra Menace: Look up my posts above about Spock's "Epiphany"!
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EXCELLENT movie! Period!
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I'd rehearse that scene ANYTIME! Just to get there!!!
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Why put Spock on a planet so he could watch the destruction of Vulcan? Wouldn't Nero have enjoyed watching him see the destruction? Why did the Romulan ship have suspended interior platforms and walkways without railings? Where's OSHA? If they could beam Spock and Kirk out of the Romulan ship, why couldn't they simply detect Pike and beam him out and beam in a nice nuclear device to blow the ship up? Why does the black hole need to be at the center of the planet, anyway? Wouldn't it suck everything in even if it was placed on the surface? If Spock on board his ship could destroy the drilling platform, why couldn't they shoot at the stupid thing from the ground? Why couldn't they take a shuttle to the drilling platform? Spock proved he was unfit for command when he suggested that a planet of 6 billion could be evacuated with only minutes left.
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Cause it's a fucking movie.
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Cause it is a fucking terribly written movie. There, I fixed it for you.
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Wasn't that him that Jim sped past in the car before the cop caught up to him? Didn't he shout out his name?
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If Pike is Captain on the start. Where's his real crew? Where's Number One, Dr. Boyce, Lt. Tyler, Yeoman Colt? Where are the REAL seasoned Starfleet officers? I'm sure he would have required some of those who he had served with to be onboard THE FLAGSHIP. Naw that's too hard to write for, somebody had to think about that. Lets's make them all cadets, yeah...thats easy. Oh..did anybody notice that Spock was a Commander, not Lt. Commander. And did the cadet departure scene remind anybody of Starship Troopers. Sure did me.
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Nero: Badass.
The film was awesome. We all know that AVATAR will be the film of the year. This is second.
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And he's still a LT? If he didn't forget the Dampeners, the Enterprise would have been destroyed by the Narada.
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Holy crap this movie sucks guys.... beastie boys, wtf? Vulcan bullies... lmao. And the lens flares are prolly gonna cause seizures across the country.
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Had my jaw dropping wide open... fuckin horrible.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is. Scotty's little friend.
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you're right, I missed that...
Thought it was just a little callback to the STMP Mad magazine parody back in the day when Kirk really did fly with the parking brake on. Also the scene in Galaxy Quest where the dude scrapes the hull against the space station.
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"We need volunteers to go to the drilling platform. Kirk, Sulu and you Olson. Oh yeah, Olson before we go change into a red uniform."
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Anyone think the main Star Trek theme sounded remarkably like the main Batman Forever theme? It was *really* distracting.
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Some have already mentioned a few nods:
(1) Red shirt on sky dive.
(2) Archer's dog
Also,
(3) There was a tribble sound on the ice planet with Scotty.
(4) "Damn it Spock I'm a doctor not a physicist".
(5) Spock's ship looked like and also sounded like one from Star Wars
(6) Cloverfield monster.
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(1) Did they explain why Earth (or Vulan for tht matter) did not use any of its gound based defense grid?
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The slow building score that concludes the prologue and introduces the titles to me was actually very triumphant and bold, as if to say heroes are being made today. That same little score was used when McCoy pointed Kirk out of the shuttle window to see the starfleet amassed at spacedock. Fucking brilliant film.
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Chris Pine on the Kobayashi Maru. When he says...
"Arm photons. Perpare to fire on the Klingon warbirds."
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I've been accused by friends and family of too often buying into the hype, drinking the Kool Aid as it were. The Kool Aid coming in the form of reviews read on AICN, and shaping my opinion, positive or otherwise in general alignment with the primary reviewers of this site. Well I saw This reboot and Hated it. But In concurrence with my brother, both being trek fans, but never perceiving myself as a Trekkie I waited till a second viewing to process it before I submitted my first post after ten years of reading this site. I am reminded of Dan Ankyroyd as Zalinsky responding to chris farley's plea to save the workers at the Callaghan plant, "Its the name on the box, that's all I'm interested in " Star Trek. This reboot. That is all it is, a name, a brand that Abrams is interested in. The names are there, but the characters are not. I know it takes movie time and real time for the fictional characters as well as the audience's emotional connection to mesh, but essence of Star trek is not so much the endearment of the characters or actors themselves but the high minded, intellectally stimulating foundation that Gene Roddenberry created that gave those actors the fertile ground from which to connect with and grow the characters. Abrams has abandoned that for the sake of a rebooting a franchise with a formula of youth and action that forgets about the philosophical tenor that has been the common denominatore of all things Trek even when such attempts failed aspiring to that ideal (i.e Final Frontier) It's as if Abram's formula for the reimagining had no room for the two, as if there wasn't enough time to do both without the possibility of sacrificing the money demographic. This "TREK" is pretty, witty, and flashy, with the occasional wink to the old school loving trek fans without any of the respect for the bar, set, distinguishing or appreciating of the source material. The actors are fine, even likable, but lacking in subtlety across the board. The score was cloying and repetitive but Giachino had little to work with as far as adjusting for intimate character moments. The ones he did have, i.e. uhura/spock, spock/sarek, spock/mom were like trying to pour A1 on a mediocre steak, you can eat it but the steak wasn't good enough in the first place to stand on its own. Ironically the most disingenuous moment was between spock prime and young spock. So much of the character is about the struggle spock has of reconciling his human and vulcan side and within a matter of a couple of lines Old spock basically tellss younger him to abnadon that struggle. I understand hundreds of years of introspection is going to bring wisdom and soften even the stuffiest of Vulcans but to basically tell him to lighten up was the most critical misstep of this whole film. Maybe the possibility of seeing this new spock, or any of these characters develop into something totally new iterations of themselves is exciting and promising but the tragectory feels off. Sadly Nimoys complicentcy(sp?) to abandoning the character he created feels like the real betrayal. I had no problem with the oft used time travel plot device or even creating an alternate universe. I can talk myself into buying these new realities. But this box feels empty and maybe time will fill it and in retrospect render this a silly analogy. Hopefully Abrams will realize that action and ideals do not have to be mutually exclusive when crafting a new legacy for a franchise that seems to have lowered the common denominator.
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Slick, Fast, lowbrow, in your face, just like a rollercoaster ride.
Brilliant....I think not.
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And I will shamelessly admit that the opening sequence had me choking back tears. The rest was, honest to God, literally jaw-dropping.
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Just got back from it... I was solidly on the 90210 in space camp back when this was first proposed. ( you can go back and read some of my rants ) Jesus was I wrong. The movie has flaws, indeed, and I could nitpick if I wanted to, but that's just it... they won me over. I don't *want* to nitpick. I laughed to myself as I realized when nitpicking after the show that I found 10 times more things wrong with Star Trek Insurrection ( a "canon" film ) than I could find in this film.
The Uhura romance was a leeeeeetle toooo strong. I could have tolerated some indiscretion before "the mission" started, but not after. The first time in the Turbolift made sense... she was overcome with empathy, but the other times were just plain stupid. ( though covered up pretty brilliantly with Kirk's shocked reaction )
But really that's it... everything else, I really loved. That plot might have been simple but it worked. I would have liked to have seen the destruction of Romulus told from Bana perspective instead of the flashback ( forward?? ) we got.
All the change of scale were a long long time coming in the ST universe. ( Size of the ship, crew, things they have to do etc... )
There was a cavalier element to it that was a plot nod to TOS, that I found annoying ( like no one being concerned about being sucked into the resulting black hole... so much for the understanding of physics... as soon as that explosion went off I would have hightailed it the fuck out of there )
But *Kirk* wouldn't have. That was the right call.
Plenty thigns to nitpick, yes, but I say it fits solidly in the upper eschelon of ST Movies ( For me that's II, VI, & FC )
Bones was awesome.... how they named him even felt legitimate. Exactly the kind of thing Kirk would latch on to. Scotty too... I'm not a Simon Peg fan, but shit he was funny and convincing ( if a bit too skinny! )
Oh and one more thing... Pike. Brilliant characterization of him. He immediately feels like a real player in this universe, and is truly someone worthy of commanding the enterprise. I half expected him to return to command and I would have believed it. Even though they show his "be a man" bar speech in the previews, it hits home in the movie too.
OK I'm done drooling now
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Ribbitking: Actually the Vulcan bullies were a cool bit, especially as it showed that a race will pick on anyone with a slight difference as a mark of solidarity... but in their own extremely Vulcan way.
You know, Vulcan must be like a planet populated by people with Asperger's. "You insulted me 35.5 times!" Or... like a planet with nothing but Trekker nitpickers perhaps? -
Shatner said in the SNL spoof... get a life! it's only a t.v. show!
or something like it... i just returned from watching it with my father, and he introduced me to TREK watching TOS reruns and i remember the first TREK movie i saw with him was ST3:TSFS, i really got into TREK with TNG and i enjoyed going to the movies with him... for some reason we missed 4, and for 5 he's first comment was: "they're getting old" then, we loved 6 and watched in theaters a couple times and also all 4 next gen flicks and we never missed an episode of TNG, DS9 or VOY... thus we hated some by Braga... ENTERPRISE was when things started to go down... until BERMAN & BRAGA lost us... we watched reruns or even better got the DVD's and enjoyed TREK overall... you see... through the years like with everything else... TREK has it's marvellous moments and it's big and awfull flaws... tonight we saw J.J.'s take on TREK and we were truly glad the Berman and Braga days are gone... YES!!! the movie is good and entertaining... and the place was packed and everyone cheered and clapped... and the movie itself has TONS of mistakes and FLAWS wich are just freakin' terrible!!! but you know one thing i ENJOYED it with my old man... he's 59, i'm 33 and that's what i remember AND WILL REMEMBER most of all is that we watched the new TREK movie together... i gave it and 8 he gave it a 10... he only complained about the movie missing scenes... if it was 3 hours long... let it... he hated the last BOND movie because they took out everything that makes a BOND flick... i mean these are movies or shows we are talking about and B&B wanted to sell TREK but they had the great idea to take everything we knew about it and throw it at us like bread crumbs... all i can say about the new movie is that it is an altered reality and it was too much... they had to throw us something big so we took an interest in TREK again... and it worked!!! it is TREK... not GENE's, or HARVE's, or B&B's take... it's a new ball game... it is TREK for a new time... not really for a new generation... but as with many things in life... these people took another approach... and i like it... like everything new it has to grow on you and maybe they will GET IT by the next flick... but i'd say it worked and it fulfilled it's purpose... for over two hours my old man and me laughed and forgot about the real world and saw or dear TREK characters in a different way... but it was worth the wait... and i am trully happy!!! i could point out all the things i had to explain or how the COUNTDOWN comic was not needed or all the things i'd like different in this new movie... but i can honestly say it is not THE PHANTOM MENACE... it's a great movie!!! -
it was FUCKING AWESOME!!!!! I just may go again tomorrow! AMERICA!! FUCK YEEEEAH!!!
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"it's a new ball game... it is TREK for a new time..."
Yeah a dumbed down time for short attention spans and low IQ's of 2.
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It wasn't brilliant like the first MATRIX, GLADIATOR, LOTR or TDK. It did have a few plot "anamolies" which I, for one, will attribute to the "destiny" of the characters -- such as what has been mentioned by other TBers regarding Old Spock and Kirk on the same planet in the same cave.But it was a good movie, which is a major accomplishment for a Trek reboot.
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I'm not sure what film people are referring to,this forum is about Star Trek. I mean, I'm college educated and do statistical analysis for the United States government, as well as sell paintings, I enjoyed the FUCk out of this film. So I ask thee in all candor, what exactly ARE the intellectual minimum requirements for being ABOVE this wonderful film?
18 years old?
basement dweller?
jaded?
Jealous much?
an anti-populist?
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Yes, I too wondered this. Not to mention, Earth has zero defensive *ships*? Not even atmospheric freakin airplanes? This is a huge oversight.
The potency of the "red matter" was ridiculous... why not load up a squit gun full and shoot the planet from orbit? Hell, why not just shoot the *SUN* instead of earth and have to solar system collapse.
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Whoever is making that comparison is deranged. PM was a crushing disappointment. ST (while not perfect) was very good and more importantly awesome fun.
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It was a great movie and still you piss on it. Fuck you fucking cunts.
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it doesn't say anything about you whether you like or dislike the movie. I didn't think it rang true as a star trek movie.
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The hallmark of a good, no, great not only science fiction film, but film in general, is the capacity to engage an audience and absorb them in the narrative. The capacity to illicit an emotional response is probably the greatest quality film or any form of entertainment can aspire to.
The majority of films attempt to force or manipulate an emotional response. This typically requires the entire length of the narrative building to the climax.
I've sat through the Matrix trilogy, Lord of the Rings trilogy, Prequel Trilogy, Spiderman trilogy, you name it jack. Star Trek did something NONE of the mega-blockbusters did for me or to me, I got misty eyed completely out of left field and unexpectedly.
I don't give a GOD DAMN hat you people say, the 5 fucking minute prologue of George Kirk sacrificing his life for the safety of the crew and talking about naming his child he will never see, is 1000 times more powerful than ANY genre film any of YOU can bring to the table. That's the bottom fucking line, so you might as well suck it up and take it like a man, go buy your ticket and see it again like your conflicted torn selves know you should. This movie is the REAL fucking deal. -
At least no one is saying "it raped my childhood"
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it diddled my childhood
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it diddled my childhood
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sorry, it only diddled me once
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It was good. My problems generally weren;t with the cast or the new direction. a) I thought the new ship looked like a toy. Whether it was purely an issue with the design, or angles, as someone above suggested, it was the first ship design of which I just was not in anay way impressed. It looked like a dorky college students 5 minute sketch. b) Ill take one thing back , I didnt enjoy Simon Pegg. His new take on the character seemed out of place. So now Scotty is goofy comic relief? ok...I guess. c) the plot just isnt developed as well as it should be. we finally get a decent villain and hes barely in the goddamn thing! we could have lost the Scotty in the pipes scene, and the Kirk monster chase scene and had like 7 more minutes with Nero. d) JJ is not a good director. When it comes to the ONE thing a director should be soley responsible for, pacing, he fails miserably. The story lags where it should move faster and yet important interesting scenes feel like they're on fast forward. For the next one, mainly, get away from character fetishism and let characters be defined by action and reaction to plot.
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That's a very interesting dichotomy Laslow, I suppose everything is dependent upon what you define AS a Star Trek movie. This movie to me was absolutely positively nothing, like the previous 10 films, and yet, and yet, far more captured the spirit and soul of the original tv show than any of them did, yes, including the Wrath of Khan. People develop their own pre-concieved notions of what a film should be like, the Prequel trilogy phenomenon is a classic example, but that's the problem with Star Trek: there have been so many various incarnations what exactly IS Star Trek anymore?
This team nailed it. They took it back to the campy, fun, LIGHTHEARTED, spirit of the original 5 year mission baby. Fuck Picard and Archer, and Sisko and Janeway, and everything else. Star Trek is the 5 year mission, they brought it back to the basic core concept. And God bless every one of them for doing so. Hey Bob, you guys did a fan proud. -
I walked out thinking i didnt like the movie, but then again i did. So i tried to figure out why i didnt. My friend was with me and wanted to know what i thought, i told him it was an A movie, but it wasnt great. Then i didnt hear the end of it from him...I was telling him i didnt like how they werent going to try to fix the timeline, my friend brought up good points, thats the reality the characters except, i mean TNG did an episode about this dilemma...i mean if youre dead in one timeline, why would you want to change it back? but, thing is, a WHOLE PLANET was destroyed, i think this alternative reality had its time in the sun...And Kirk wouldnt want to change it either?! his dads dead in this one, and both kirk and spock know of this alternative timeline! all for the sake of sequels...which is stupid reason.
i mean the FX were good...the acting was alright, Bones did a good job, lets face it he is BONES now. umm when people say its dumb down its just the drama the movie could be conveying isnt there, its been fluffed...so you the audience can continue having fun without being dragged down emotionally. Look at first contact, and how patrick stewart got angry and mad and was screaming, i didnt see any thing like that in a performance level, so it felt like an live action cartoon to me... Good movie, hope the next one will be GREAT! I hope im not a hater, but a sane movie viewer. please confirm if i am or not. ;D -
I'm not saying every incarnation has been good or executed as well as JJ's vision of the franchise but were talking about the original characters, the original idea that the better tomorrow is approached with introspection. I did see it twice so as not to be completely reactionary, but I do think it is important for Abrams to integrate that tone with further installments without sacrificing the action. There are a lot of things to like and I am willing to revisit this new step if it leads to something grander than simply fullfilling personal destiny.
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Since im on aintitcool i need to cuss to make my point!
kirk and spock are ok witht he alternative timeline with the knowledge how things would had been = HORSE SHIT, OR SHALL I SAY ROMULAN ASS ! -
Since im on aintitcool i need to cuss to make my point!
kirk and spock are ok with the alternative timeline with the knowledge how things would had been = HORSE SHIT, OR SHALL I SAY ROMULAN ASS ! -
May 09, 2009 12:18:17 AM CDT
Enterprise still happened in Abrams Star Trek. So..
by scriptgirl_nipples
Could or would the mirror universe, still have the TOS USS Defiant?
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The first Star Trek movie I saw was WoK in the theaters as a kid. My mom called me out of school and we watched it twice. I was used to seeing reruns of the Original series on TV, but seeing WoK got me hooked. I went tonight and watched the new flick and to be honest I think it was the best Trek yet next to WoK. Amazing work. McCoy was perfect. Scotty hilarious but a bit campy. Sulu awesome, good to see him kick ass and fencing lol. Nimoy perfect and touching. The new Spock was perfect and looks just like Nimoy. Kirk was different but enjoyable. Nero was the a great villain, no Kahn but definitely better than past villains. Overall I can't wait to see it again. :)
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I wonder if whoopi goldberg is going to show up in later installments and tell spock he shouldn't be here, at least not untill the next movie which no longer exists.
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Took a mini vacation to Seattle to go to the Seattle Art Museum and the Woodland Zoo and thought... heck, why not catch Star Trek on the Imax. Mother Fucker. The art and animals had some serious competition from this film on Imax. I was in heaven watching this movie. And am I the only one who watch choking up at the beginning? Damn you JJ. No matter what anyone is saying about this film... it is a MUST watch on Imax.
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Everyone keeps talking about doing KHAN,why not bring KIRK(SHATNER)in with SPOCK(NIMOY)to fix the timeline as suggested and bring things together as we know it with TNG,VOYAGER,DS9.As we all know,anything is possible with timetravel.Too bad DeForest Kelley and James Doohan can`t be involved,it would have been great to have them in it as well.Also,Why not try something in line involving"Balance of Terror","The Doomsday Machine","The Ultimate Computer",The Omega Glory",Elyan of Troyas","The Enterprise Incident","The Tholian Web",all involving action with other Starships or Klingons or Romulans.The Planet Killer,Romulans,Tholians,Klingons,etc. were instrumental in the basis of Star Trek and could all play a role in maybe a future for Shatner in a sequel movie.To go to the future,you must also remember to go back to the past and remember the past.
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people are finding with this film, can be summarily defined as the nature of the behemoth task Bob and Alex took on writing this fucker.
Has that even been ATTEMPTED before? For a film to be all at once a Sequel, a Prequel, and a Re-imagining/reboot? That's a monumental task that requires a monumental sack to attempt, and to reasonably achieve, an even bigger achievement. Impressive, most Impressive. But you are not a Kirk acolyte yet. -
about admiral archers beagle..nice to see porthos get his duesalso, i guess enterprise is still considered cannon in JJ's worlds as it took place before nero went back and therefore happend as we saw it?anyone clarify this?
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Just saw it tonight. Loved it! Been a Trek fan since I was a wee lad in the 70's. Seen all the original Trek films and most of the NG movies. This was a brilliant reinventing of the franchise. The casting worked, the action was great, the story exciting and fun. Loved the nods to the original series and the first six films.Way to go JJ! Thanks for gift that Star Trek is!
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Engineering seemed a little TOO big... but it was GREAT still also, cardasians are deep space next generation aliens. Old Trek has yet to discover this strange new world and new civilization
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I forgot to add "MIRROR,MIRROR" to my listing above.A mirror universe would be also interesting in a movie storyline.
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The mirror universe, could/would still have a TOS USS Defiant as seen in Enterprise.
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Can still exists. All the original episodes, TNG, Voyager, Deep Space Nine, and Enteprise, still exist, in Universe A. Picard and crew still go on doing their thing in Universe A. Nero created Universe B. It wasn't conventional time travel, that's what sticking alot of people evidently.
All the stories in Universe A had the characters going back and forth along a single timeline. The black hole opened up a second universe, in which Nero came through, THEN changed time. Thats whats throwing alot of people, if you travel back and forth along the timeline in the new universe, you are still in that new universe. Elder Spock is stuck in this new universe. That's what Bob revealed on the Trekmovie forums awhile back. Yes everything still exists in Universe B, but just slightly altered. George Kirk died, didn;t contribute to designing the Enterprise as in Universe A, hence, new design Enterprise Launched Much much later than it normally would have been. The Enterprise in Universe A was launched just a few short years after the Kelvin was doing its thing. George Kirk died. Kirk didn't enter the academy at 18 years old as he did in Universe A. he entered it at 25. Just remember when you watch it, theres two things going on, another universe, AND a timeline fuck up. -
They never made us sympathize with Nero. I would have like to have seen him somehow betrayed ( indirectly ) by spock... putting all his faith in echnology or whathave you. And why don't we see Nero at leats *try* to go visit "present day" Romulus? Wouldn't he be overwhelmed with the longing to be with his people again? That's supposedly his primary motivation to make Spock suffer. Needed more story here.
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I personaly think Romulus wasn't so much the issue to Nero, as his wife dying was. If Nero had visited Romulus it would have been 130 years or however many years Elder Spock said in the past, long before his wife was even born or thought of. I think the thing with Nero was he was just insane from losing his wife. You couldnt reason or rationalize with him anymore. He was dead inside, and wanted everyone else around him to feel it too.
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I could not have asked for more. Nitpicks aside, and what movie doesn't have them, it was perfect. There, I said it.
It was 2 glorious hours of what Trek deserves to be. It was a wall-to-wall thrill ride with funny and intimate moments. I brought my brain in, it enjoyed it! My wife loved it, and she wanted to see Wolverine instead. Fuck that shit, I refuse amateurism in my household!
Caught the beautiful DLP show, might take my dad to IMAX this weekend, but hell it's gorgeous in DLP and there's no screen distortion. This is going to be my father's Star Trek, you betcha.
Y'all nitpickers have points, but you know what, overall this is undeniably an amazing spectacle, and you are lucky to have this. This is a fresh start from creators whose care for the franchise shows through brilliantly.
So glad Nimoy was in this, too. He firmly grounded it to the TOS, and with a substantial and touching performance. The George Kirk touch - so professional.
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It's not dumbed down for anyone, just that the writers are plain DUMB.
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I thought it was just a joke too, but he did save everyone. He also saved Kirk's ass on the platform.
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It's professional of you to realise the professionalism in this film.
Captain Richard Robeau was professional.
George FUCKING Kirk was Professional.
The prologue was Professional.
The title credits and thump thump triumphant music was professional.
Chris Pine was professional as Captain Kirk.
Nero was unfucking professional destroying Vulcan and reducing Vulcans to refugees.
Zachary Quinto was Professional as Spock. Kirk warning about the trap at Vulcan to Pike was very fucking professional.
Spocks internal struggle was professional. The audience clapping and cheering was fucking professional.
J.J. Abrams , Box Orci, Alex and the rest are professionals.
Spock telling the vulcan council to go fuck themselves, as well as beating ass of the punk vulcan students, was highly professional.
Pikes get your fucking ass in gear speech to Kirk was highly fucking professional.
Kirk strutting on the bridge at the end with his dick hanging out swaggering and the crew in place, the ship warping out, with elder Spock giving the mission statement- was fucking professionalism at it's finest. -
I liked that big dude Security guy. He was cool. And he ended up saving Kirk
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It was professional when Kirk fought 4 of those guys at once, he got his ass beat down, but the comment about Pikes loud whistle was professional.
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The more popular the movie, the fewer the detractors, but the more often they post. In extreme cases, such as this, about 5% of the talkbackers have negative things to say, but by volume of posts, they account for nearly 50%.
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Liked the shit out of it!
Like...Lord of the Rings Long..like
Damn You JJ Abrams!!!
Quick caveat-i liked Cloverfield-oh well
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ps DGDB was right about Wolverine-God help us all
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Oh that's right...
Fuck 'em in the Ear!
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It was also professional when Bones pointed out to Kirk to look out the window of the shuttle, and they watched the shuttle approach the massive spacedock with fleet preparing to depart.
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"Y'all nitpickers have points, but you know what, overall this is undeniably an amazing spectacle, and you are lucky to have this. This is a fresh start from creators whose care for the franchise shows through brilliantly. "
Except that Star Trek wasn't about amazing spectacles. It may be an amazing spectacle, but "care for the franchise" isn't shown by throwing in bits and pieces of "Wink, wink, did you see it?" references, but through caring about what the franchise had to say. Unfortunately, JJ couldn't care less about what the franchise has to say. Instead, he uses the ST label to promote his own philosophy, and Roddenberry be damned.
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And he lost his chute on the platform, yet he saved Sulu. That was damn professional.
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was in a word, great. 9/10 for me.A few minor things were hard to swallow like angry spock, the uhura/spock love angle and so on, but they weren't huge changes that break it for me.I like this "alternate timeline" idea. They can make a boatload of these new style films and if 3 or 4 down the road we tire of them, they can say: "Oh well, it was just the alternate universe. Shucks!"Liked the cast, all good performances.But as I said when I coined the title Star Trek Returns, I also liked Singers Superman film too...so what do I know.
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I thought it was professional when the Romulan second was choking Kirk and Kirk grabbed his pistol and shot him through the fucking chest. That was professional. Sulu running the guy through with the Kitana was also fairly fucking professional, but ot wasn't very professional that Nero tortured Captain Pike and put him in a wheel chair. That was almost as unprofessional as ruining a scene by adjusting the lights.
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her first name, and Kirk looked at Spock, and Spock didn't want to comment on it. Very professional.
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First, to address this point, which I have seen echoed over and over in other forums: "Bones was awesome.... how they named him even felt legitimate."
Except for the fact that Bones is short for "Sawbones," and that the navy had a tradition of calling the chief surgeon "Bones" that was old at the time Mark Twain commented on it; Since Jim Kirk was established to be a fan of old paper books from the nineteenth century, he would've known this tradition and it would've been in perfect character for him to apply it to his 23rd century doctor pal. "She took everything but my bones" is silly as a source for the nickname, unless it is assumed that Kirk thought this was funny coming from a sawbones, giving the nickname a double meaning.
Now, as to the movie itself. I loved it, I thought the characters were spot-on and the time-line story was a good way to make it both prequel and sequel, canon and ultra-canon (although I agree with others I would've liked to have seen some of the Countdown material at the beginning.) I look forward to seeing it again, probably more than once. AND I concede that, despite its minor flaws which I am willing to overlook (the only glaring one being Kirk going straight from the Academy to captain of the flagship), and despite my own concern over continuity and canon (not because I am a loser weirdo, more because I am a professional historian and so obviously the past matters to me- come to think of it, the two may be the same thing)... despite all that, I confess that this film is what the franchise needed to become au current and gel with a new, broader audience, thus preserving said franchise.
And yet, still... walking away from the theater... I felt sad. That feeling has grown in the hours since I got home.
While on the one hand I feel that I, as a lifelong fan, have gained something... a whole new universe and timeline to watch unfolding, with exciting new possibilities which were precluded before by the aging (and dying off) of the original TOS cast... I have lost something, too, and that loss seems to be irrevocable.
This is Kirk and Spock, but it's not the "prime" timeline that I've watched all my life. What this movie means is: that Star Trek is gone, almost surely forever. Future movies are going to be about this new/old crew; I will therefore never see new adventures of my favorite TNG era characters (which is why including the Countdown stuff would've been a beautiful touch.) Whatever became of the former crews of DS9 and Voyager, the Enterprise, the Titan, back there in that "prime" line? Do they still exist? Even if they do, we'll never find out about it, and that makes me quite wistful.
There are several things someone could say in response to that. "Star Trek is now going to be relevant to a much huger, younger audience, and in a way that could never have been possible if they had kept doing it the same way; if they's tried to keep telling the stories *I* wanted to see, their audience would've dwindled to the point it could never be profitable, so the whole thing would've died."
That is true, which is what makes this film sort of bittersweet. I realize that this broader, faster-paced, less intellectual, less character driven, more exciting, less "canon" version of Trek is the wave of the future, and necessary for there to be any future Trek at all.
At the same time... it feels like Trek has been taken out of my hands, away from the "faithful", and given to a younger audience... I'm welcome to come along if I like, but it is theirs now and not "ours". Something like that is always sad.
Or you could say: "Get over it, you whiner, it's all fiction anyhow and none of it is real, just sit back and enjoy the story."
Some people can do that... they are the ones who do not invest longterm in their fictional retreats, for whom a good story is a good story, not an alternate world into which one can visit for extended periods and even consider another home throughout the years. But for people like me -and there are a lot of us out there -there has to be a certain amount of structure, familiarity (even if a scary one.) Fiction is an unspoken agreement between storyteller and audience, in which the audience agrees to suspend reasonable disbelief, so long as the storyteller doesn't abuse his privilege and change the rules at the last minute (the old deux ex machina, the old "the butler did it" even though there were no clues in that direction.)
You can visit the imagined worlds of Tolkien and Robert E. Howard and find that structure; the milieu is almost as important in those tales as the characters and events, and the maps and timelines and etc remain consistent, even as a multitude of stories can be told within those constraints.
When I was a kid I was a huge fan of both DC and Marvel. I thought Crisis on Infinite Earths was an awesome story, and well-told (I was in high school)... but I hated it. It meant no more Earth-2, and that all the stories I'd read were suddenly not "real"; sure, they were NEVER really "real," but they had been real within the confines of that imagined universe. So, in the last 25 years, I've checked in on certain DC titles from time to time, but never again really been a "fan." I stuck with Marvel, but the toying with continuity that was the Clone Saga, and eventually the whole One More Day fiasco, turned me off to that universe as well. I'm sure the current Spider-man stories are very entertaining, and I've tried to read them, but it just doesn't FEEL right to me and I can't get into it.
I'm sure that won't be the case with this new iteration of Star Trek- heck, half of the canonical stuff was wrapped up in alternate timelines, and I'm going to enjoy the truly new adventures of the "old" crew.
But I still feel like I've lost something.
Last point: most of the "haters" on here -though some of them have good points -seem to be childish foul-mouthed mouth-breathing curs. It's like trying to have a conversation with the kids from South Park. Sheesh.
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at the end in the credits, but they weren't Damn unprofessional.
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that huge-ass post was broken into about 20 paragraphs when I hit "send." Ah well.
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the shuttle, and saved her. Fucking Professional!!!
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When Uhura said who is the mouth breather under the bed to her sexy Orion room mate and Kirk popped up and said what you could hear me breathing? Uhura is very professional, but so is Kirks wit and charm.
It was highy fucking professional the way Kirk handled the computer scenario basically saying fuck you to fate and destiny, but it wasn't very professional of Spock to assassinate Kirks character in a board of inquiry. That scene NEEDED Bale to run out screaming unprofessional Spock, very unprofessional. -
May 09, 2009 1:28:47 AM CDT
Bones giving Kirk those steroids to make Kirk's fingers
by lockesbrokenleg
grow bigger was unprofessional, but he got him on the ship AND talked back to the uppity check list officer was Damn profesional.
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I wept when George Kirk was sitting center seat knowing he was going to his death, talking to his wife about "lets name him Jim.Tell me about him." That one snuck up on me. Holy shit, first 5 minutes of the movie too.
George Kirk was professional. No. Scratch that. George Kirk was a gallant, heroic, noble, huge sack having mother fucking MAN. The look on his face when he saw the auto pilot was damaged and he had to do it manually. That's fucking heartbreaking shit right there. It was unprofessional, yet oh so professional. -
"JJ couldn't care less about what the franchise has to say. Instead, he uses the ST label to promote his own philosophy, and Roddenberry be damned."
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That fucker sitting at the bar with the huge mouth and lips was very fucking professional.
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appeared to be unprofessional when he was sitting on the console, Bale would have whipped his ass. But, dammit, he made me laugh. Damn Professional!
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he is is annoyed by Anton Yelchin's Russian accent. He is also perturbed by Julie Delpy's French accent, bothered by Sean Connery's Scottish accent and can't figure out why the hell jackie Chan talks so funny. Have you ever heard a Russian speak english before?
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The theme when George Kirk is in command going to ram the Kelvin down that cunt Neros throat.
This theme is professional.
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I would take Steve Perry. But TYLER FUCKING PERRY?? Sorry folks. I'm done.
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when all you little nut sacks keep using the word "professional" to describe shit.
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Thanks for summing up the sadness--and the interest in the new Trek Universe as well.
What I cannot understand is Paramount permanantly shutting the door on the original Universe. It would be a second revenue stream for them, if they played it smart and kept it in the realm of Direct-to-DVD or TV miniseries/movies.
It also wouldn't show any disloyalty to the NuTrek universe--they could always do a few of the DTV movies in that universe too. But, when you see Stargate: Continuum at the Video Store and no Trek flicks, it really makes me sad. Manny Coto or Ira Steven Behr would be perfect to run the DVDs, as they are alumni of the Rodemberry/Berman Era, but we also outsiders who cut their own path--and can tell great stories as well.
Ah, well. It probably won't happen.
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You joyless hack. If you haqve nothing positive to contribute in the name of fun go find your wolverine thread. Or watchmen.
The Nurse with the big oval eyes. That was highly professional. -
Anytime you need paragraphs you type "" (without quotations or spaces) at the end of each paragraph. Let's see if that works...
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... and wearing a TMP-style admiral's uniform... VERY PROFESSIONAL! I hope they do more stuff with Pike---he really is an intriguing character.
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You just sound like a retarded mental dysfunctional repeating it over and over again. NuTrek wuz made just for your mindset.
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I saw Star Trek twice today. This is more than a typical Trek movie it’s a good movie period. It was filled with action, drama, comedy, awesome CGI, good acting and above all, it was fun. It was like watching Star Wars for the first time. Plus I understand why haters simply hate this movie (and you know who you are) you hate this movie because it will do better than Watchmen. Admit it, after watching the Watchmen, would you say, “I’ll come back and see this again with my Dad?” JJ Abrams and crew did a great job. I grew up with Star Trek, and honestly, I did not notice the plot holes until reading some comments in this forum. I doubt if the majority of the audience will notice either.
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WELL LA DE DAH!! SOMEONE FUCKED MY TREK! LA DE FUCKING DAH!!!
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I happen to like Double quarter pounders from McShittys, tasty.
If Star Trek was made for MY mindset, thank. Fucking. God. I don;t think I could have stomached yet ANOTHER soul-less, joyless, hackfest piece of shit like Watchmen, Wolverine, G.I. Joe, Transformers, basically....name it pal.
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must have been fucking BURNING UP INSIDE while most of the audience loved it...eat shit you cocksuckers..get ready to feel a WHOLE lot angrier over the coming months...we'll enjoy watching your sad little minds EXPLODE.
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I thought it was pretty unprofessional she was killed during the fleet engagement over Vulcan, I didn't hear what ship she was assigned to but I'm assuming it wasn't Enterprise.
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to have fun at a movie. Not be bored like it. Nemesis tried, but was so damn unprofessional. Data dying? Unprofessional.
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May 09, 2009 2:00:55 AM CDT
She was assigned to the Farragut, that unprofessional
by lockesbrokenleg
ship. Poor green clod. Unprofessional. Oh, Megan Fox on a motorcycle in IMAX. That was damn professional. Thank you Bey.
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Uhura almost unprofessionally went to the Farragut, but she professionally convinced Spock assigning her to Enterprise was the professional thing to do.
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Beginning the film with an extreme magnified close-up of the Kelvins hull then slowly backing away revealing the whole ship and hearing all the comunications chatter was very fucking professional. I don't quite recall a shot like that ever in Trek, such a professional close up on the hull then a zoom out.
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at the end of the movie was to be First Officer, because he knew that Kirk was going to be a most professional Captain.
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1) How could the USS Kelvin have 800 crew members? Pike states that Kirk’s father “ saved 800 lives”. The Kelvin is smaller than the Enterprise which in the prime timeline was crewed by no more than 400-500 people. Also how could all 800 survivors fit into the maybe dozen shuttlecraft that escaped from the attack, not to mention the several shuttles that were clearly destroyed by the Narada.
2) The Corvette scene. The car would have been over 250 years old. Kirk’s uncle must have been a extremely wealthy car collector with very lax security at his garage. Stupid.
3) Obvious product placements. Nokia and Budweiser. Just lame.
4) In the bar scene, Uhura orders a “Cardassian Sunrise”. Cardassia was unknown to the Federation at this time period. Perhaps due to the altered timeline it was encountered earlier, but it just smacks of a toss off to the same fans who would point this out. Doesn’t work.
5) Enterprise built on Earth in Iowa. Radical departure from canon just so JJ can have his “Luke watching the twin suns set on Tatooine” moment. Makes no practical sense. How does the Enterprise get into space?
6) If Kirk and McCoy entered Starfleet Academy at the same time, why is McCoy suddenly a Lt. Commander rank as soon as he is assigned to the Enterprise? For that matter, why does anyone hold any rank over ensign (except Spock) when they are straight out of the academy?
7) Warp speed seemed really fast. It took only a few minutes to get to Vulcan from Earth, but for some reason much longer to get back later in the film.
8) What was the giant starship that was destroyed over Vulcan? Half of its saucer section was bigger than the Enterprise, which had to avoid hitting its wreckage. It wasn’t at the Earth orbit starbase where all the ships appeared to be roughly the same size. Shouldn’t the flagship Enterprise be the biggest, most advanced ship in the fleet?
9) Why does the engine room of the Enterprise look like a dirty old chemical factory while the rest of the ship is so high tech and clean?
10) If Kirk and co. sky dived from space into the upper atmosphere of Vulcan why didn’t they burn up on entry? They were not shielded in any way.
11) Its been established many times that Vulcan’s atmosphere is thinner than Earths, so how could Kirk and Sulu breath on the drilling platform that high in the Vulcan atmosphere?
12) Why, knowing full well that their planet was under attack would the top ranking Vulcans go to some cave in the middle of nowhere to meditate or whatever they were doing? Wouldn’t they be trying to coordinate a counter attack, evacuate the population or something useful?
13) Why couldn’t the transporter get a lock on the falling Amanda Grayson when it managed to beam the falling Kirk and Sulu up?
14) What possible use would a one person size escape pod serve?
15) I thought Vulcan had no moons? Where is this ice covered moon, so close that Vulcan can be seen with the naked eye in the sky? If it is Vulcan’s moon why is it covered in ice when Vulcan is mostly desert? How could it possibly support large carnivore creatures with little sources of food? What was Spock burning for warmth in the cave? How long was Spock stranded there? Couldn’t he just have walked to the nearby Federation outpost?
16) How could a crappy old shuttle transporter, with a few quick modifications by Spock, transport Kirk and Scotty to a starship that was in warp having left the system hours ago? They couldn’t do this even in the late 24th century! Lame. How could the 23rd century Enterprise transporters send Kirk and Spock across the entire solar system from Saturn to Earth orbit?
17) Where was Nero at for the 25 odd years between the attack on the Kelvin and the attack on Vulcan?
18) Shouldn’t Nero’s drilling beam have drilled a huge hole that would have drained San Francisco bay?
19) Is there now a huge black hole near Earth from the huge red matter implosion that destroyed Nero’s ship?
20) What identity does Spock assume to go on living in the 23rd century and help the surviving Vulcans? Does he identify himself to his father? Will he show up again?
21) How can a cadet, despite his heroic action in the face of danger, get promoted to captain of Starfleet’s flagship? I don’t care how heroic a guy is, it just doesn’t happen that way. Why wasn’t Cmdr. Spock made a admiral? He was there too. A senior at Annapolis is suddenly given command of the USS Nimitz? A fresh West Point grad is promoted to a full bird colonel? Doesn’t happen. Period.
Only if every other officer in the entire fleet above the grade of LT was killed could I see this happening. Another movie with Pike in command of the Enterprise would have been much easier to stomach. But I digress, I still liked the movie but wish JJ & company would pay closer attention the details. OK That's it. Flame way!
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May 09, 2009 2:20:51 AM CDT
Hands down best BIG BUDGET HOLLYWOOD MOVIE since Dark Knight
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Enough said.
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not 800. George saved the lives of those on the shuttle.
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1. no accounting for that, they either A. upped the scale of the ships, or B. saying 800 crew saved sounds alot more dramatic than 400.
2. One can assume like with Kirks bike, it wasn't an original but a replica, the dashboard seemed fairly high tech. Kirks bike didnt even have spokes.
3. Product placement, no more gratuitous than any other films product placement. 2001 had Pan AM etc etc. One can assume some form of corporations will exist in the 23rd century.
4.Cardassian sunrise. This is universe B. Not A. cardassia may well be known in this universe.
5. That one is a stretch but not crippling, it may not have been the Enterprise, I can forgive that one.
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"Your father was captain of a starship for 12 minutes. He saved 800 lives including yours. I dare you to do better." Its even in the trailer.
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7. Can't account for that one, I don't recall from the tv show how far away Vulcan was from Earth.
8. Maybe it was a perspective thing, OR, maybe Vulcan had an orbiting platform like Earth. Had being the key word.
9. can't account for that one. Budget or aesthetic choices obviously from the producers.
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Da Bomb!!
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11. Why, they had an injection of triox compound beforehand naturally heh heh.
12. Vulcans are a peaceful people, they didnt have weapons to counter attack, also, everything happened so abruptly, the Narada just shows up, wipes out 7 starships, and starts drilling.
13. The others were stationary, she began falling, Chekov didnt account for that evidently, but knew Kirk and Sulu were falling as he tried transporter locking.
14. The exact purpose it served, exiling someone, which isnt without precedent in Trek, Gary Mitchell, Khan, elder Spock, young Kirk, all exiled.
15. I can't account for that one at all. Vulcan indeed has no moons. Maybe it can be chalked up to creative license on Spocks part since it was a mind meld. -
I am so smart and I hate everything. I'm so cool.
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16. I can't account for that one. Who knows, it's Scotty though, and we don't know how far into the future Scotty developed that formula that Spock gave young Scotty. Maybe Old man Scotty met up with old man Spock in the 24th century.
17.In a Klingon prison. Its a deleted scene that will be on the DVD. Rura Penthe from Trek VI. Uhura mentioned it briefly, the however many klingon ships destroyed was his prison break.
18. One can assume once the beam stopped the hole collapsed back in on itself.
19. Clearly this isnt your usual black holes or singularities as we think understand them today.
20. Elder Spock said so himself, not enough Vulcans left to even worry about hiding. I sense a teacher/mentor role.
21. Starfleet isn't the United States military and doesn't have the same protocols and procedures. Kirk saved the planet Earth, Christopher Pike, and the crew of the Enteprise. He behaved all through the film LIKE a Captain, they just felt maybe the rank was a formality and gave it to him. I'd say he earned it. Kirk is a prodigy and Pike knew it. I's say Admiral Pikes recommendation played a huge role. -
Well, that was a HUGE ass ship, It was probably he flagship before the Enterprise was built.
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It just wasn't "dark" enough. P.S. I'm awesome, and you're stupid.
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To my amazement Chris Pine actually pulled of Kirk. Zachary Quinto was flawless as Spock. The way they incorporated Leonard Nimoy was nothing short of brilliant, his cameo was seamless and not for one moment did I feel he was being forced into story. This was a very good film. Congrats to Orci and Kurztman you 2 did a fabulous job.
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Vulcans starbase equivalent. I'm not sure. Whatever it was it was unprofessionally toasted and alot of people died.
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The phaser sounds were weak too. But the score being essentially unmemorable...JJ forgot one of the cast...just sad. Over all I liked it, could have done without the Ewok.
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Beer Brewery Engine Rooms with built in water rides built by Mr. Popeil
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No ships or starbases around the planet? Unprofessional. But Chekov saving Spock and the Vulcan Council? Very professional!
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I hate this more and more every second.
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Well thanks for giving it a go! Many of your answers are what I guess I would have to assume if I had to answer the questions. Like I said it was a good movie that I hope will be a new life for Trek, but I wish a little more care was used in the writing. After all, we are not all mouth breathing morons who are dying to be spoon fed and salivate at new films by McG and Bay.
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Exactly man, Vulcans behaved unprofessionally not having massive orbital defense platforms, fucking peace advocates heh. This time it cost them dearly!
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it's sad so many anhedonic types wandering around. Personally I found this movie to be a pure JOY.
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Just for the record, the giant ship above Vulcan had a NCC registry number that was barely visible.
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Except myself and a select few intellectual friends of mine.
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I went with my wife last night and the whole cinema loved it. It was spot on. It had the humour, the cast worked well together. Pine and Quinto were superb. The ship was perfect. We are taking the kids to see it this morning. Outstanding. Now give Abrams the Star Wars franchise.....
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If it was supposed to be a starship then I guess that's a gaffe Spocko, I'd have to see it again, are you sure it wasn't a perspective issue? Maybe it was the Excelsior's hull heh heh
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saw it. Im a lifelong trek fan. hated the last two movies. Am not particularly a fan of JJ. Lets talk the actors first 1) Pine: actually pretty good, he really does manage to be Kirk without doing an imitation of Shatner. He is able to play cocky, but still be likable. 2) Quinto: cant make up my mind about him...in a way i felt he was too much like Sylar, not sure about this guys range. He was convincing, but something was off...3) Cho: i liked this version of Sulu, not much screen time or much to do, but they made him into a badass, cant complain about that. 4 Saldana: absolutely gorgeous, and manages to actually do something with Uhura. Also not given much to do, but she makes her limited screen time count like Cho does. 5) Pegg: did nt seem like Scotty to me at all, sorry but i thought he was miscast, and ended up being more annoying than funny. And he manages to do this with very little screen time. 6) Urban: his was the casting i hated the most when i heard it, but he completely won me over. I did not know how good an actor he was until now. He did Kelly proud imho. Hope he gets more screentime in a future movie. 7)yelchin: Did nt do much for me. the accent thing was kind of silly, and he just looked too different from Koenig for me. Though I will admit that he does nt get much screen time, so perhaps he can do better next time.
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Nero: nowhere a classic villain ala the Klingons, Khan, or the Borg. But not a crappy villain like Shinzon, Sybok, or Ro'afu. Bana is good, as always, but he is given so little to do. There was a lot of potential for him to be a great villain considering his backstory....but its barely in the film. All that cool stuff about his motivations, and his time in and escape from the klingon prison is nt in the fucking movie, so for everyone that has nt read the comic (90% of the people that will see this movie) he comes across as underdeveloped and 1 dimensional. A wasted oppertunity imho.
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What an amazing piece of work. A thing of beauty. I haven't had that much fun or been that entertained in a long time.
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What can i say...im sorry but Orci and Kurtzman really do write fucking dumb scripts. I like that they imagine big (unlike David minimalism Koepp), and are nt afraid to do some controversial things (spock/uhura romance, the destruction of Vulcan etc..) but there are just so many absurd coincidences, and things that happen so damn conveniantly in order to set up other things. They really are damn lazy writers too. The script is the worst thing about this movie for me. Amazingly its a really good movie despite this huge weakness. Personally i say becos of the cast above anything else.
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In first contact, we've seen that time travel doesn't create alternate universes in Star Trek, but actually changes the future. The borg traveled back, the Enterprise was in a protective bubble, and when they scanned Earth it was all Borg. Changing the future works. Not to mention the thousands of shitty episodes, like City on the Edge of Forever (lol, McCoy accidentally gives himself the wrong medicine, that makes him go back in time and change the past. Great writing there.) which were build around the idea that if they change the past, the future they know is destroyed. So yeah, TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY are gone forever, they're not out there in some alternate universe.
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ILM'S effects are fantastic, maybe the best ever for a trek movie. I loved the costume design and look of the Romulans, and the production design on the Nerada was fucking awsome. Also just liked the designs in general of the Vulcan city, of the nArada etc..Biggest dissapointmnet however was the Enterprise design. For me the engines look really stupid, literally like two big hair dryers. The ugliest Enterprise design ever imho. Though the modern designs of the federation costumes, and the enterprise interiors were all fine to good, if not particularly remakable. For me the score was ok, not at all bad, but certainly not great. Has nt stuck in my head at all like the Horner and Goldsmith scores...
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and well thought out. Unlike the writers of this film and the excuse makers like joshuavance1701 who are apologist for the holes in the story. Cannon is cannon and they chose to completely ignore it. The ice planet is stated as Delta-Vega. Another disregarded fact that Delta-Vega is nowhere near Vulcan or an ice planet. See TOS 2nd pilot on facts about Delta-Vega. These are facts and all the time travel ALTERED History BS wouldn't change the location of a planet. JJ and his bunkies chose to overlook all this. The movie is fun and does entertain for the 2 hours. It will make tons of $$$ for Paramount. Is it truly better than the original. The answer is NO, as long as they ignore established facts that would not be affected by a timeline alteration or just plain laziness on the part of JJ and crew to research these facts. He's a TV hack who thinks if he makes it slick enough and fast enough nobody will notice. I'm waiting on the next film for the placement of toilet and escrement jokes to show up. Isn't that what all the little people want these days in their movies.
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If this erases VOY, I'm all for it.
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Lens flares notwithstanding, this was a great film. Cast perfectly, great humor, great emotional moments (especially the opening), and great Nimoy.
HOWEVER, the plot is pretty fucking sweaty. Red matter? What? "What is that?" you say. "Shhhhhhh. It creates black holes and shit. Shut up and watch the movie."
And Nero's motivation? Okay dude, you lost your wife and fetus. Sucks big time. But multi-planetary genocide? A little harsh.
I digress. GREAT action flick, top notch cast, great humor, special effects are second to none. Uhura is amazingly sexy. Pine nails it to the wall. Quinto's got soul. Urban IS Bones. Go see it peeps. -
Good, but not great. I think JJ did a good job overall, he keeps the pace going really fast, and he lets the actors carry the movie (which he had to with that bad script). I really liked the drilling platform action sequence, it was pretty cool. Loved how dirty and lived in he made everyhting feel. And how dangerous he made space seem. he really did inject a Star Wars feel into trek, not sure yet if I think this is a good thing or not. However i really did nt like that he always has the camera so close to the ships. It made it hard to get a sense of scale or spacial dimensions between the ships, that was very dissapointing. Also am really getting sick of the use of shaky cam during action scenes. That combined with the overuse of close ups made it a bit unclear what was happening sometimes during said action scenes. But I guess we live in the post Bay school of filmaking now...I also though the sense of Naval/submarine battle was too lacking. I was really hoping for a great ship-on-ship battle, but was dissapointed on that score.
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If the plot inconsistencies had been worked out before the film had started shooting, or if they had done some re-shoots to make the film more consistent or have an internal sense of logic--imagine what the film would be like: It would possibly be perfect.
But they didn't figure it out. They thought they did, but they didn't.
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i would give it 7/10. Its a good action sci-fi movie, and a good reboot (its no superman returns). It returns trek back to many of the good elements i feel it lost, and injects new life into the series which it so badly needed. Its fun and entertaining. But i really hope the next one is better, and please keep orci and kurtzman the fuck away form the script. If they can get a good writer to make a more intelligent, and internal logic consistent script, and JJ can learn to frame and shoot action better (i.e no shaky cam, and pull the fucking camera back once in a while to establish the geography of what we are seeing) then the next one could be truly great.
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but i would rank it alongside first contact.
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trek director. But JJ is off to a damn good start...
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You are trying WAY too hard man to down a BRILLIANT film.
There's not a GOD DAMN thing to apologize for about this movie.
I tell you what, you name me one movie, just fucking ONE, that you like, that has a 96 percent thumbs up among 200 national critics , AND has earned 33 million dollars in 36 hours. Plot holes my fucking ass. This film is an A NEW HOPE level feel good movie, critics and audiences are digging the shit out of it, and you sad FEW can't fucking handle it. I bloweth a wet Romulan fart in your general directions. -
I caught the Enterprise one with the beagle but not any others. At the start of production they said there would be a reference to each previous show but I couldn't find any. Oh and I liked the film btw. I thought it was a solid.....good.
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completely disagree, if you read my review you will see i do think the script is really dumb, and JJ's way of shooting action really bothered me. But for me it was fun, i as a trekkie, i enjoyed finally seeing trek done on a large scale. But i must admit you are right about the lack of intelligent ideas. This was more of a Bay version of Trek...though not that stupid..
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was he wearing marty mcfly's jacket from BTTF2 in the car chase scene or was that just me? Oh...and the film was brilliant and is just what the franchise needed.
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I pretty much agree with your assessment on the film. I thought the film was good but the script and some of the direction was seriously lacking. Another draft might have helped a lot. The main thing I liked about the film was the cast and their performances. It seems stupid but even though it's only been one movie I think I'm attached to this cast already. I like them and want to see what happens to them next. I can't wait for the sequel.
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makes this movie work more than anything, they literally put the movie on their backs and carry it. If only they had a great script to give them more and better things to do. Though as I said, Pegg just did nt work for me at all, i really thought he was miscast...
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No I'm annoyed by such a trashy film like this being universally praised.
Its pure garbage and as someone else said designed for 8 year old mindset's.
Without picking any holes in the story alone or canon its still dramatically bankrupt on many levels and the direction is so poor I feel embarrassed for the guy as he is clearly fueled by the deluded like you (who love this) blowing smoke up his ass. -
With you all the way man. Not even a massive Trekkie but loved TOS and some of TNG.
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With you all the way man. Not even a massive Trekkie but loved TOS and some of TNG.
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what you really think lol..Fair enough dude, i cant really fault what you are saying, but i simply had fun with it while acknowlaging its weaknesses. You seem to like the more "pure" sci-fi, nothing wrong with that, so i guess a more action driven approach isnt your thing. I agree though with what you say, action must be organic to the story and it must serve a purpose. But dont you think that was the case here. Each action scene did drive the story forward, its just that the story was quite weak imho...except maybe the drilling platform scene as Vulvan gets toasted anyway...doesn t really accomplish anything other than to be an action set piece imho..
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they're all the same self important cunt..
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Mr JJ Abrams, Fantastic take on Kirk and Spock, I liked the way they bought all the characters together. Chris pine as Kirk was perfect and had me laughing whenever he was on screen.Still not sure about the giant red arctic bug though.
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my only gripe would be Simon Pegg as the "comic relief", but apart from that I loved it
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Keep it up mate, those were priceless :D
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bowel dude? Why am I a self important cunt? Because i shared my feelings and opinions about the new trek? Or is it because I have criticized it? Maybe you did nt actually read my review, but for the most part i liked it. I thought it was fun, and an interesting reboot for trek. And i just enjoyed seeing TOS costumes on screen. I dont agree with Asimov and all he says, though we agre on some of the issues. Thus the reason we are having a civil conversation/debate with each other.
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of us that read scripts by good writers (I read a lot of scripts that i find online) and have a decent sense of what constitutes a good script find the dumb script to be just that and shitty (though who was truly expecting anything else from the two stooges orci and kurtzman?). Quantize you are more than welcome to debate with me and tell me how the script is good. Explain why the absurd coincidences, plot holes, and lapses in logic do not a bad script make...
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i still enjoyed it and it still mostly won me over. I just really hope that they get actual good writers to do the next script, thats all dude.
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im going to go see it again, have to take my Korean girlfriend. She's a huge sci-fi fan, but has never seen trek becos trek is basically completely unknown here. So maybe that will happen. Will let you know how i feel about it then and what my better half thinks...deal?
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Loved the film, exceeded my expectations in every way except for the score. I love Giacchiono's work but this was somewhat of a disappointment.
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loves sci-fi, especially Cameron, Spielberg, Scott etc...she does nt dig star wars though..i think its too juvenile for her...
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completely unknown here. I have looked but cant find any trek for sale or rent. In 2 years i have yet to find trek in korea. Its being called star trek: the begining here...promise you dude, not trying to tip anything in its favour..dont believe in that. Just want to see her honest reaction to trek and its characters and concepts/ideas etc...
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Scotty's introduction had me rolling my eyes going "COME ON!" So Kirk is marooned on an ice planet and just so happens to walk into a cave where Spock is holed up? Okay time travel might explain that spock knew where Kirk was going to be, but I don't think that was put across in the story. In the story it was coincidence. Then in the next scene Kirk and old Spock run into fucking SCOTTY who just so happens to be able to beam them onto a ship at warp, light years away at this point.
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.. then after he beams onto the ship uninvited he's in charge of engineering five minutes later.
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TOS is still the best, it broke new ground and today the stories still have a quality going far beyond their budget restrictions. Next Gen was the best spin off series (although it dated extremely quickly compared to TOS which still feels remarkably fresh rewatched today). DS9 and Voyager each started with promise but fast became bogged down with recurring characters and story arcs leading to the same recurring characters. Voyager should have been the true spiritual successor to TOS, exploring strange new worlds etc. and then they found the Borg...again and again and again. Enterprise quite rightly failed (Sorry Mr Bakula! P.S. Bring back Quantum Leap), if only because of the opening theme tune (and where was this ship in the pics in the Enterprise rec room in TMP?). The original films were variable in success and the Next Gen films were just extended episodes and not very exciting. JJ's Trek felt more like a set up than a film in it's own right but it's been a while since two hours has gone by so quickly, leaving me wanting more and making me want to revisit Trek all over again. I've at least one more viewing lined up so we'll see if my love for this film diminishes but looking forward, the universe has been given a second chance, let's get out there with a new five year mission to explore the unknown.
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May 09, 2009 7:51:38 AM CDT
Next Trek Movie Needs a Different Challenge for the Heroes
by autodidact
Enough with the "megalomaniac seizes control of superweapon to fulfill personal vendetaa" plots for a while. Give us a Star Trek movie about exploration, that teaches us something about the vastness of space and our place in it.
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Another way to think about it is that it isn't a coincidence because it's happening for the first time! Who's to say that this isn't how they met. It's transparent aluminium all over again. And although he's working in Engineering, and manning the transporter it's not certain he's in charge of engineering although Kirk knows what he capable of and as acting Captain it surely would be in his power to put in there.
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Did it explicitly say that Spock CREATED the test? I thought they said he'd been MAINTAINING it for the last 4 years.
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I`m 49 y/o so grew up on Star Trek. Saw the new one 18 hours ago & was VERY pleased. However after a few hours reflection there are a few glaring plot holes. When Spock was dumped on the ice planet why didn`t he go to the Starbase outpost then? And as another poster asked why didn`t Nero save his planet when he returned?
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Perhaps Spock got caught in a storm and decided to weather it out in the cave? Or maybe he was distraught at the destruction of Vulcan and had no intention to escape until the mysterious arrival of Kirk fuelled his hope. As much as anything the film has a Back to the Future motif, and Spock's primary goal appears to be to ensure that his younger self and Kirk become friends, and that Kirk took command of the Enterprise. Regarding Nero saving Romulus, his ship was thrown back in time and he wouldn't have had the means to return.
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I must concede that not being a trekker does mean I don't have that sense of the past being erased though. Maybe you can see now why transformers pissed us off. And thanks for reposting, I confess sometimes I just stopped at 'dude'.You are wrong about the PT though. AOTC really is the weakest of the three. I didn't like TPM until the DVD but it seems to get better the more often I watch it. Maybe I'll see you on the right side of T4 though.Oh, and people WILL read your longwinded posts if you put in para breaks. It's but without the spaces between the brackets and the P. Just stick one in and keep on typing.
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May 09, 2009 8:23:27 AM CDT
Come to think of it the whole "future Spock" thing was lame
by autodidact
When Spock said his famous line from STII, I literally rolled my eyes. I rolled my eyes at just about everything that happened on the ice planet. Up until then it was a very tightly focussed movie.
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Man, am I rooting for this movie, but as entertained as I was, and as incredible as the entire cast is, I can't help but dwell on my nagging disappointment with the overall story--its overall development, the lack of (on-screen) character development for Nero, and the alternative universe reboot concept.
A real saving grace for me was having read the comic book prequel. I love the tie-in to existing TNG continuity, and of course if we'll never get Picard, Worf, and Data on the big screen again, it was nice to visit with them one last time. But better than that, I found the comic's story involving Spock, Nero, and Romulos very high-stakes and compelling. There's so little compelling about Nero looking at him in the film without knowledge of the comic's backstory (but he sure yells a lot and looks scary with this Mike Tyson tattoos!).
Beyind this nag, though, is that I keep hearing how "epic" and bold this new trek is. Well, I say, not bold enough. I mean, it's ballsy to destroy Vulcan -- but not ballsy enough. If they've gone through the trouble of constructing a story to preserve existing Trek canon by bending over backwards to give us Spock Prime and this alternate timeline, then why not have Nero destroy Earth, too. (Or instead? Or *almost* destroy it by decimating millions? Not too sure). Then this "new Trek" could really forge new ground by exploring the Human condition and our beloved and familiar characters in a more radically altered and truly unknown future (past?).
I realize that sounds crazy (and perhaps a bit too Battlestar-inspired), but we've already grown up with Jim and Spock and Bones through some great adventures that help define who they are. If we're going to contiune to revisit these great characters as their younger selves, then let's put them somewhere truly new and different for the audience (old Trek audience and "new" alike!) As a long time trek fan (and perhaps slave to continuity), I worry about the ongoing adventures here becoming all about these characters we love playing around in Explosive CGI Action Sequel after Action Sequel and losing the signature stamp of what Star Trek is about, which does include its rich, well established "history."
I criticize because I love....
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Hated the way this scene was played. I hate pretty much any time a Hollywood actor eats an apple.
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Punch it, Chewie!
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..should have had beeping lights on it.
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A great re-launch, but certainly not the second coming. Too many lens flare effects. Why would you put flare effects in a scene, where characters are simply talking? (The Bar, the bridge, etc...) It's like a couple of teenagers got ahold of a new flare program and thought it would look kickass in every scene possible....well.....It didn't.
I didn't like the way they failed to pull back during action sequences, ship battles, so we could get a clearer picture of what was going on. I think of the Enterprise itself as a main character, so I'd have liked to have seen more shots of it. I didn't care for the way they handled the Kobiyashi Maru test. The way everybody knew he cheated, instead of just a select few, just didn't sit well with me.
I enjoyed the music. I liked all the new actors. Urban was great. Overall a high 6-low 7 out of 10. Maybe they'll kick total ass next time. Bring on the Engine movie!!! www.drunkduck.com/engine -
Or had Pike all fine and dandy during the escape. They then explain they had to perform surgery to remove the bug and he gets wheeled out in that box type thing from the original series.Futurama did a gag with that chair doohickey and it floored me.
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Or did they want him to seem that feeble in the movie? Sigh. Pretty soon the only ones who will be able to do cameos from the TOS will be the bratty kids from "Miri." Bonk! Bonk!
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We need him as a deeply involved admiral in the sequel. Any franchise is lucky to have this actor.
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The anguish of failing to save Romulus and being the cause of Vulcan's destruction resonated in his performance. Bravissimo, Mr. Nimoy. Thank you for heightening the movie's professionalism.
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My g/f and I saw it last night and loved it. I am a lifelong Trek fan and my g/f is a Trek fan as well, and it worked perfectly for us. Wow imagine that, and we aren't even 8 years old!!!!! The people who are utterly bashing this movie as trash have serious issues beyond just not liking the movie, I have read the long winded posts bashing this, and beyond the constant repeating of the same stuff over and over, the posts, as long as they are, really say nothing. It's sad to see people so bitter and angry about a FUCKING MOVIE. Get some therapy. The movie was not without flaws to be sure, but I went into it like most people should, I stayed away from clips and most things that would give away too much. But I am sure the people who are totally bashing this move were going to hate it no matter how good it was. Same old story, go into a movie with a pre conceived notion about it, in this case, hating it, so you have already doomed your chances of enjoying it. Hey to each his own, if that's how you operate, fine. No one expects everyone to love a movie, even one as good as this, but some of the hatred being thrown at this, at least on here, is a bit ummmm.....extreme. But like I said we are all entitled to our opinions, and as long as you haters don't insult us who DID enjoy the movie, hate away. PS If i failed at using the paragraph breaks sorry, never used 'em before LOL.
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Romulan scientists should have seen in coming for a hundred years--at least. The Romulans get the Darwin award for not evacuating their planet in time.
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It should have happened! One beep for yes, two for no.
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Just caught the end of an old ST:TNG episode & was good drama involving Picard trying to stop the prison warden from The Shawshank Redemption from trying to blow up some Cardasians. Good character-based stuff. Then Voyager came on - bland shit with boring characters & dreadful scientific sounding techy dialogue. When I watch stuff like that I know why some of my friends hate sci-fi. I flipped over 2 BBC2 & am now happily watching She Wore A Yellow Ribbon instead
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I thought the film absolutely rocked. No - not perfect by any means but the fact that the casting was soO spot on made this worth it for me. Everyone of the central characters had a meaningful and crucial role to play in the plot at some point (something the previous movies neglected to do pretty consistently). Kirk, Bones and Spock (old and young) were spot on. Nero was by far the weakest in terms of character depth but the villain and his motivations actually hardly mattered when you spent the entire movie drooling over each and every other detail that got put in front of you. Did I think that Kirks convenient "discovery" of Old Spock (and their subsequent discovery of a certain soon to be crew member) a little bit hard to believe?.... yes I did... but aside from small gripes like these, I loved this Trek and cannot wait for this version of the franchise to kick off with further films!
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Initially I dreaded the way it was being played out. I thought Kirk being cocky was over the top. Then the purpose for it came through - Spock was teaching Kirk a lesson in humility. It was the first step towards establishing their rapport, their bond, their friendship. Very professional.
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That scene went perfectly fine. What were youexpecting... suspense??? You can't have suspense in a test the guy has taken 2 times already and the *audience* has already seen to great dramatic effect as well ( remember this is the beginning of ST II ) I thought they handled it very well and also didn't hamfistedly try to explain *how* Kirk cheated, just that he did.
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I liked it but would never be one of my top movies. After the movie I had to wonder in 15 years or less when this cast of actors is too old or not wanting to do it again will the TNG be recasted LOL. It was the type of movie that wanted me to see a sequel right away but it just seemed more like a teenage version of Star Trek. The movie is alot better then the TNG Films and better then Final Frontier and Search for Spock but its no where Near Khan or Undiscovered Country. The Music was annoying. Scotty Was Funny. Harold Sulu was forgetable. Chekov was funny but then got annoying. Spock and Kirk should of just got it on the bridge. but Captain this Sodomy is illogical. Old Spock on the ice planet kinda lame. Not placing Picard/Data/Worf/Geordi in a cameo with Spock explaining the Origin of Nero and not even touching that Geordi built Spocks Ship. I would of Geekgasmed if they did that but they more or less changed the Prequel Comic. Laughed at the Alternate reality talk on the bridge. It was a speech that they should of all turned around and did something like take that obessive Trekkie . I didnt hate the movie but its an adqueate reboot but I believe our expectations or so lowered that anything would of been better. Bring on the Klingons in the 2nd one.
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They gave him a name too. No Red Shirt Olson No00!!!!!!!!!!!
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My theatre audience was sold-out all of Friday night and it was the BEST time I've had at a movie in years, with people clapping and laughing and being very vocal in general. I saw the very first episode when it aired in 1966, so I have seen all the various takes on the franchise and this was brilliant and exactly what Roddenberry would have loved...perfect casting...Nimoy was awesome to say the least and this was very emotional for me...going back again as soon as I can !! Loves it !
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No one's discussed anything technical, but I wanted to point out that they seem to have revamped the stardate system. It appears that they've made the stardate equal the year. The first scene is set in 2233.XX, which would be about 30 years before the original series. Old Spock comes from stardate 2387.XX, which places it after the TNG era. This completely contradicts the original series and the TNG era, but it's probably a welcome change.
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I mean seriously they need to redo that for the sequel. Everything else was great.
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I wholeheartedly agree. I wished that they had given the flashback ( forward?? ) actual real screen time in the beginning... You could have done a half hour sub plot on what happened....
You could have easily covered the flaw you pointed out with something like this:
Make it so indeed the Romulans did know about the planet going nova, but that the timeline was unexpected. Rather than face reality, key members of the senate blame the Federation, suspecting they have done something to cause it to go prematurely nova. ( Or perhaps it is revealed that secret experiments by the romulans themselves may have caused the star to start the premature path to go nova )
You could really underscore the fear and distrust element that the romulans are known for and we hardly ever see. Make the federation'srecent discovery of "red matter" look slightly suspicious in their eyes.. will it succeed in disrupting the star, but destroy the entire solar system anyway? ( another gaping plot hole here... how would the romulans survive without their sun in the first place? )
A moral and political debate on whether to accept federation help from an experimental technology.
A central argument from people fearing for the survival of their entire race. War begins to break out in the system simple out of fear. Many billions of people wanting to leave the planet, and not accept Federation help due to National pride, cultural distrust etc.
This can also fix Nero's chracter. You could have made him play out extremely sympathetically by having him be a leader of the people of some kind that is making an earnest and impassioned plea to the Senate to leave Romulus and accept that the planet will be destroyed. He is not able to sway the senate away from Spock's promise of a miracle through technology. *that's* how he feels betrayed and blames spock.
Nero tries everything in his power to rescue senate members and many of the people who disagreed with him earlier. We as an audience can see that he is trying to do the right thing over something he feels is certain to fail. At the last minute he must leave the planet, and rejoin his fleet which have all warped out of the system, but he is caught in the in the vortex with Spock.
Others wanting help but so distrusting the federation that they insist that Spock himself pilot the ship to deliver the red matter ( an ambassador flying a ship is pretty ridiculous otherwise ) -
estimates it will make 75 million this weekend...
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May 09, 2009 10:29:06 AM CDT
A really shallow, dumb, silly, dull, uninspired
by fa_tass_dinomolester
lifeless husk of a movie. The plot is non-existent, and the characters are so thinly drawn it's laughable. We're never given any reason to believe that these people would behave this way or do any of these things: we're never shown why Kirk turns out to be a juvenile delinquent in a stage of arrested adolescence, we're never shown why Spock is more emotional in this timeline, or why he has a relationship with Uhura; it's just presented to us, with no rhyme or reason, and we're expected to except it. And while I got why Kirk and Spock dislike each other initially, there's no arc to cause them to gain respect for each other, and eventually form the tight friendship that appears out of nowhere at the end of the film. It just happens by osmosis; when Spock calls Kirk "Jim", and later when Kirk tells Spock he'd be honored to have him as First Officer, it's not earned, it's just arbitrary. The rest of the characterization is equally shallow. The film's tone itself is rather schizophrenic, swinging wildly from broad slapstick comedy to pseudo-drama in seconds; I say "pseudo-drama" because we're never given any reason to believe in any of the characters, or root for any of them, so everything that happens on-screen is meaningless. What's worse, this thing really tries to serve two masters, and fails at both; the pissant attempts at fan-service are ruined by scenes such as 5-year-old Kirk driving the Drunkle's car off a cliff, while shitty rap music blares from his cell phone, (Nokia survived World War III, did it)? Not to mention the hard cut from Spock grouchily telling the Vulcan Science Council "Live Long and Prosper", to the corny techno-sounding music in the scene set in an Iwoa club, apparently inserted to the booze-and-binge 15-year-old crowd, who are not going to see this movie, BTW. Like "Wolverine", there's way too much action, literally a fight scene every five minutes, allowing the audience no time to breath and ruining the overall flow of the non-existence narrative. The score was bland and unmemorable, especially compared to Jerry Goldsmith's work on TMP and First Contact. The "Alternate Universe" cop-out is bullshit; changes in the timeline wouldn't effect how everyone looks, IE, Kirk would still look like Shatner and not Pine and the same goes for the other characters, the technology wouldn't be radically different, the Human and Vulcan cultures we're shown wouldn't have changed, ETC. It's just a lame excuse to confuse retarded and desperate Trekkies into thinking this complete and utter break in continuity still fits into their beloved franchise. Nero's a half-assed Khan rip-off, complete with his grungy-looking crew, bug-oriented interrogation methods, and "SPOCK! SPOOOOOOCH!" Although he is a better villain than Shinzon, not that that'd be very hard. Also, Nero's demise is completely unsatisfying; for all we know, he's just going to pop up somewhere else now in the timeline. At least Ayal got the benefit of biting it on-screen. JJ clearly doesn't like the clean, effective looking aesthetic of the Trek world, and so attempted to blend it with a gritty, industrial, "techno-punk" Blade Runner-type look with all of the tubes and piping in the underbellies of the ships, which worked about as well as the rest of the film. I could go on, but I think I've made my point. The film is made for those who are very easily entertained indeed. For the next iteration of Trek, could we give the reigns of the franchise to someone who knows what the fuck they're doing, please?
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May 09, 2009 10:32:15 AM CDT
75 mill this weekend? Looks like Im getting my wish of a sequel.
by odo19
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sounds like just another Spiderman, Hulk, X-Men, mindless explosion movie. How about some sci-fi for adults.
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comments are gonna start flying...75 mill compared to Wolvies 85 mill? hmmmm interesting...
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So was Nazism, in its day. Just because the mindless masses eat something up, doesn't mean it's any good. In fact, the dumber something is, the more popular it will probably be. This makes $75 million and true art, like "Wonder Boys" makes like 5 bucks. There's no justice, apparently. On the up side, they showed the trailer for Transformers 2 before my screening, so when I started getting really pissed-off I just though, "Well, at least I'm not watching Shitty LaBeef fuck around with badly-rendered CGI robots for two hours".
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1.) It's really hard to take your super-logical, OCD Vulcan-like minds seriously when you complain about how "CANNON" has been changed. Learn how to spell and then you will get your merit badge in nitpickery and you are free to start arguing "plot holes" of fictional narratives with the adults.
2.) For all those who are saying, "I can't believe the coincidences.. Kirk meeting Scotty on a strange planet... etc., etc." One of the themes of the movie is how our LIFE becomes "DESTINY" when we look BACK at it from a different perspective - like from far in the future, or at the end of our lives. Think about it: Kirk had to meet Scotty at some point, right? Just like in your life, you met, say, your best friend. At THAT TIME, there were MILLIONS of alternate possibilities you could have taken. But, you chose one, as we all have to do. Now, look BACK on it, 25 years later. From the future, it seems like, "wow, that was such a twist of fate, meeting my best friend at this exact point!" Of course. It couldn't be any other way. But it COULD have... and them you would be looking back at a different past, and saying different things.
Saying this is just a "coincidence" is ignoring that EVRY MOMENT in your past was a "coincidence" that was later to form your character and life story. Things that were random now seem as if they were "destined." But Kirk had to meet Scotty AT SOME POINT; whenever it actually happened, it wasn't SIGNIFICANT until he looked at it from his own LATER perspective.
The film's alternate timeline, as well as aged Spock being forced to consider his mistakes, are metaphors for this, in addition to their role as a convenient plot shortcut. It's a simple NARRATIVE concept, playing the MOST IMPORTANT role in the story, and one that most people grasp intuitively and don't have to pick apart like a dessicated corpse under a microscope. But for the nitpicker Plot Hole scouts, this counts as another sad victory for their little trophy cases :)
OK my rant is done. I await your cleansing rain of flames and hate!
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You wouldn't in real life, yet on here they're like the vocal majority. Cunts!
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Your name is in fact well earned. Now fuck off. jackofhearts29, Abrams must love having legions of apologists such are yourself who leap forward with unbridled enthusiasm to defend his shit from people capable of critical thought.
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His portrayal of Pike gave Star Fleet its HEFT in the movie.
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JJ Abrams is from one of the lost tribes of Israel that should have stayed lost. And the same goes for Kurtzman...
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Please , can you and your fat ass wife come here and lick my fat prick? Your a moron , everyone with a brain thinks the movie is very good..so stop , you can't win here..its over johnny..its over. Move along..
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is a prime example of why providing computers and internet access to homes for the mentally defective is a bad idea.
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May 09, 2009 11:01:42 AM CDT
You all are a bunch of self-congratulatory adolescents who conti
by atkinson
There wasn't a heavy reliance on silly CGI characters yet you still complain.
There wasn't this heavy self-referential on the Star Trek Mythology (just enough but not too much) yet you still complain
There wasn't the endless patronizing of racial or social harmony, added with long discussions around conference tables a la The Next Generation, that has been a hallmark of Star Trek, which the same people here have complained about, yet you still complain.
There's no satisfying you sons of bitches, and really it infuriates me. For so long I've sat back and have seen you hypocrites talk shit about movies, pay your $10 bucks anyway, then talk more shit about sincerely well made films.
I mean, I would have more respect for someone who actually didn't like a movie, and refused to pay movie for it. But you sorry cunts will talk shit about a movie, say you hate it, pay $10 and talk more shit about it.
That degree of hypocrisy deserves a verbal dressing down. YOU GUYS ARE FUCK-TARDS
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Ebert and Armond checked their brains at the door, and had a great time!!!
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Ummm, dumbfuck I wasn't saying its good because it made a lot of money. I'm saying it's good because I.....just me....liked it and wanted a sequel. Now I have it. Try to actually read the posts of people you attack next time.
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My God. You ponces.
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I have been wondering whose star it was that went supernova, anyway. Originally, I thought it was a nearby star, which could have devastating effects on other close systems. But that wouldn't have created the sense of urgency as the explosion would have probably taken at least a year to get to the planet. If it was the Romulan star, you are right, Spock's plan would have done nothing but create a black hole that would have either drawn Romulus into it or at best left it an utterly frozen (near abstolute zero) world without a star. I never even majored in science and I know this! This movie is all flash and spectacle. Fun to watch, but no real substance. The more you think about it, the more it falls apart. It is not asking too much from a ST movie for it to have some kind of conistency in regard to how the human world operates (no captain chairs for ensigns) or the natural world. I can accept a bit of fudging on these things, but this movie does not even give lip service to them.
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Ahh the TB's. The place where speaking your heart gets you branded a "Cunt" or "nitpicker plot hole scout".
One question....what if your favorite characters were recreated in this manner. Would you be all excited and tingly over an alternate universe reboot of Superman, Batman, Watchmen, Ironman, etc etc.
People had heart attacks over boneclaws, and Deadpool but if we dont like our ENTIRE FUCKING FRANCIHISE being reworked into an alternate universe we're cunts?
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While I agree a film that teaches us about 'the vastness of space and our place in it' would be nice, we'd have better luck seeking it out in a Nova documentary or in a general science book rather than in a big budget Summer popcorn movie. Star Trek movies use broad, mega-maniacal villains with super weapons for the same reason James Bond movies always have: because they're an easy source of conflict and action. Make a ST movie about discovery and the philosophy of science and space, and it'll play to crickets, never mind drawing in Mountain Dew-slurping teenagers on dates.
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This is an AICN talkback. Its not even the real world. Were mostly guys. Mostly Average or above average intelligence. We Say Harry is Fat. Demand Lost talkbacks. All agree Joel Schumacher is History's greatest monster. Some will say wait for DVD/Blu Ray but have already seen it and somehow want to be unique. The majority of us is white middle class or above and have never really truly had to work a hard day in our lives. We Hate Bush and Love Obama. So Lighten up you sterotypical tools. I understand Irony that I am also a sterotypical tool that always points out these facts in every talkback. I am part of the system LOL. Trek was average just average but compared too the last 10 years of Trek Riff Trax Trek is better then everything. Bring on a sequel but I cant sing the praises of this movie its just average its like seeing an old girlfriend after a long time and remembering she has big tits.
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So desperate to like Star Trek again that anything that's different or new that is presented to us we will just blindly like? I get so fucking tired of these haters insulting other people just because they didn't like the movie. So you didn't like it, fine, but don't sit there on your throne and tell us how we are just dumb sheep and tell us how we are mornons for liking this. I am a long time Trek fan and went into this with high hopes, but also with a bit of skepticism as recasting iconic characters is always a gamble, and I was also not thrilled with yet another Trek movie involving time travel (something that had best not show up in the next movie). So I went in optimistic, but cautious and I was blown away, it worked on every level for me. It was not perfect, but it completely satisfied the die hard Trekkie in me. My g/f went into it even more skeptical than me and it won her over as well. If you hated the movie, fine, all entertainment is subjective and everyone has their own opinions. But don't sit there and think because you hated it that us who did enjoy it are mindless sheep with no brains. No one here is the be all end all of movie opinions, although some think they are, but that's ok let them live in their little worlds.
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Download it, then you will not ever bother buying as its a worthless piece of film which makes ST: Nemesis seem like solid entertainment!!
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Am I the only one who isn't sitting well with the Vulcan disaster? I was all for a re-boot ala Casino Royale but destroying Vulcan loses more stories (both new and old) than it creates. I've been a die hard fan of TOS since I was 6... I've even been all for a re-boot with the original characters (with new actors) for 20 years.. But I'm not sure I needed the time travel and altering at all. A straight up re-launch would have been fine.
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May 09, 2009 11:19:40 AM CDT
I don't get the virulent hate from Trek fans either.
by orbots commander
Abrams' Star Trek is by his admission, a light-on-its feet escapist action adventure movie with science fiction trappings. Yeah, it has plot holes the size of Mack trucks and coincidences galore, but it's a breezy, fun time at the movies, the same way I can imagine a new Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers movie would be. It's very blatantly a throwback and a tip of the hat from Abrams, to the Spielberg-Lucas movies of the late '70's-early '80's.
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checkov should have gone to grab him..maybe knowing from the acedemy that he rocks on the transporter...and he does the fancy tracking....like he did at the end...THATS when he should have been introdiced. not on the ice planted.
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May 09, 2009 11:28:30 AM CDT
good but not the messiah everyone keeps saying
by candy ass monkey suit
As a die hard old school trek fan i enjoyed it but it was a little cold and sterile compared to the original. The performances were generally good and in particular karl urban emodied all the best of Deforest kelley,likewise Anton Yelchin and Chris pine were good too but Quinto and john cho just leave me cold as spock and sulu respectively. Quinto doesnt have half the gravitas Nimoy does. Quinto is great in heroes but not as spock im afraid. The fx were good but were the modern "lets zoom here, rock the camera around and generally make evryone fuckin giddy" fx which i generally hate these days. Nimoy too seems out of sorts in the movie..far too emotional for my liking. The highlight for me was Bruce greenwoods captain pike orinally played by jeff hunter..pity he wasnt in it more. As reboots/remakes go this was definately a cut above all the others but it didnt rock my world as much as some others..it ranks about in the middle of trek films for me inc the next gen ones. Hopefully quinto will go to vulcan school in between the next one and should study both nimoy and enerprises jolene blalock's T'pol to see how a vulcan should be.
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Better than the TNG movies & ST3+ ST5!!!! Ha Ha what a comedian you are!
Keep taking the meds son maybe a stronger dose as well!!
Even the previous ST movie lowpoint AKA ST10 is better than this trash. Because it contained brief moments of real character driven warmth & affection, and the VFX + action work allowed you room to breathe. Then Goldmsith's score worked to underscore this not function as bland sonic wallpaper. I thought ST10 was poor but its light years better than ST11.
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May 09, 2009 11:30:13 AM CDT
Where the fuck did that Uhura/Spock romance come from??
by fleshmachine
i guess they sorta hinted at it...dumb.
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May 09, 2009 11:30:16 AM CDT
Where the fuck did that Uhura/Spock romance come from??
by fleshmachine
i guess they sorta hinted at it...dumb.
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bad.
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shouldnt his brain stem have been eaten? anyone? anyone?
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What exactly is your problem that you have post a million times on your campaign to diss this movie?
I've been a fan since 1966 when I was 13! I'm going to the movie in a few hours and I'm betting I like it. If so I will see it again and again. -
What exactly is your problem that you have post a million times on your campaign to diss this movie?
I've been a fan since 1966 when I was 13! I'm going to the movie in a few hours and I'm betting I like it. If so I will see it again and again. -
Abram's Drek Trek and diss the Michael Chabon adaptation "Wonder Boys", which I doubt you were even aware of until I mentioned it. That explains a lot.
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If Berman and Braga had produced the SAME exact movie, they'd have been eaten alive. Sometimes I really wonder about my fellow fanboys (and girls, and things).
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Now it's undead and it's eaten the audience's brain!
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ST V, (de)Generations, Insurection and the dreck that was Nemesis were NOT in any way shape or form better than Abram's Trek, well, IMO anyway. I'd really like to know what it is about those movies that was better than this one, please enlighten us.
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........Star Trek.......the one that just came out.....and I hate the shitty Curtis Hanson film Wonder Boys. Again...learn to read.
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Good luck with that.
What's your problem? I am perfectly entitled to talk about the issues I have with this movie its not like I'm being rude to anyone yet have endured a lot of rudeness just because I do not run with the crowd who worship the hype-o-meter and dare to say (with reasons why) its a poor movie which happens to offend me as a fan of TOS.
But you know what I will post below what I posted earlier in this thread to give you something to chew on:
This movie is a gigantic monumental disaster. It makes Nemesis look great & you will be praying for Rick Berman to come back now. No I am not kidding at all there are so many problems with this movie and nearly ALL reviews are very unaccurate which is putting it mildly. Saying ALL reviews are corrupt & they have been bribed to say its a good movie would be a fairly logical and accurate opinion. I do not know where to start but I am going to list all the negatives first (in no particular order) as this movie and its director do not deserve a fair chance or unbiased review from me. Ebert is right on the money with his review trust me.
1: Leonard Nimoy is in this for approx 3-4 minutes screentime and has 3 scenes and about 10-15 lines of dialogue which is not very Spock like as Nimoy seems very old because his voice is failing badly. Shatner will be glad he was not in this movie as even his limited screentime in ST7 and poor death was 300% better than Nimoy's role here. If Nimoy was not even in it you would not care or notice all that BS about Nimoy being integral to the story is screenwriter BS.
2: The visual FX from ILM are totally wasted. There is not 1 WOW shot in the entire movie. We all know ILM are one of the best VFX companies in the world but here they have been instructed to do some poorly designed work here. The ship VFX cinematography is absolutely appalling. All you get are close-ups of the ships hulls and a blink or you will miss it beauty shot which is undynamic. The Enterprise has very little screentime and when you do see her its meaningless as she has about 2 secs screentime before the editing cuts away. The end of the movie has the Enterprise warp away and even this is botched badly. The virtual camera is so close to the ship that all you can see is a fraction of her and the actual warp effect is the same as Star Wars minus the hyperdrive stars. The ship stretches away and thats it. No warp flash. No hyperdrive stars. Nothing. Very bland and uncinematic. New transporter VFX is poorly designed as well and looks like it belongs on TV not in a big movie as its just a whiteish blurry mess.
3: The music: Really bland. There is 1 main theme and thats it. No Enterpise theme whatsoever. All the music is just sonic wallpaper and a disaster. No wonder the OST is only 45 mins. I even deleted my torrent of it as you could not give it away to me I would need paying to hear it again. Not 1 scene in the entire movie has any emotional music to underscore it. Complete & utter waste of money. They could have got a TV composer to do it and you would not have even noticed any difference.
4: The cinematography: Just as attrocious as MI3. All close-ups but now its close-ups of planets, starships, actors you name it. If its onscreen the cameraman has a magnet so its as close to the lense as possible. The director needs to go back to film school to be taught how to use the camera for master shots to allow the audience to at least get their bearing's before cutting away with hyperfast editing to yet another unforgettable scene.
5: Storyline: Its a total disaster and everything you feared in your worse nightmares. Its so convulted and uninvolving you really care little what happens next or to whom. This movie needed another 30-45mins to fill in the story as it was not presented in a way which allows you to follow it properly as it jumps around all over the place. Only McCoy's dialogue was worthy. The rest ranged from average to awful. And why do they still swear in the future it sound a little strange to hear mild 21st century cuss words in the far future.
6: Actors. Well the good news is that you will care about Pike (Greenwood), McCoy (Urban) & Uhura (Saldana). The rest are the bland unknowns you always feared. They have little screen presence and are not very skilled actors. But Bruce Greenwood's Pike does very well and to me gave the best performance in the entire movie for his very limited screentime. Karl Urban's McCoy has little to do except channel the late great De Forest Kelley but he does this well and is a warm presence. Zoe Saldana's Uhura is the only other actor worth a mention as she is eye candy (although not mega hot) and gives an emotional believeable performance. Of the rest the most annoying is the new Chekov actor. He has the worse Russian accent you have ever heard and is a waste of screentime. You will feel like shutting the little bitch up as he annoys more than Wesley Crusher ever did but plays the same boy genius character. The new Spock is bland and his voice is so weak & wrong for the part. The new Kirk is just another average young gun actor and you will not care less for him as he does nothing interesting with the role. Sulu is just portrayed as an incompetant helmsman who cannot even get the jump to warp right in an emergency (which is played for laughs as a joke when an entire planet is at stake). Kirk's father in the opening prologue displays more skill as an actor.
There is a part of the movie about half way though where Old Spock tells Young Kirk he must provoke an emotional outburt from Young Spock so Young Kirk can assume command of the Enterprise!!! Yep I kid you not and Old Spock (nimoy) also tells Young Kirk he cannot no matter what under any circumstances tell Young Spock why he is doing this!!! With me so far right well at the end of the movie in a scene which feels so tacked on for a totally unexplained reason Young Spock meets Old Spock!!!!! I could go on but you get the general idea by now. This is not your fathers star trek or anyones now its a poorly conceived Star Trek in name only.
This movie is a bigger letdown than even the following:
The Phantom Menance
Matrix Revolutions
Star Trek Nemesis
If Star Trek had a poor name before this movie will ensure that its has an especially bad name in future and has probably killed the franchise once and for all as no-one over the age of 13 will care much for it in a few weeks. Paramount have done an amazing job with the marketing and reviewer bribery but forgot to produce a worthy film having entrusted the franchise keys to a mediocre group of people.
Gene Roddenberry will be turning in his grave at how they finally managed to destroy his beloved Star Trek with this utterly bland & medicore failure.
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...and I couldn't pay them to watch the original series. And I found it enjoyable. So, Mission Accomplished! Star Trek is back!
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You know it!! They would not have dared to take the choices this sorry bunch did.
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I am going to see this SUPERB movie again. It totally saved the ST franchise where the ultra-shitty Nemesis and insurrection destroyed it. I can't wait for the sequels to this awesome cinematic experience. When the film passes $200 million, I will laugh even harder at the haters.
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I mean, cmon. I liked the movie, thought it was good, thought they did a good job of updating it and reintroducing the characters to a younger audience, BUT, there was a lot of stupid shit too.
Stupid Shit:
1) Kirk's Mom goes into labor during a space battle? Soooo, they let pregnant civilians travel about Federation (ostensibly military) vessels? Cmon. That whole thing was WAAAY over the top.
2) Kirk's second intro as an exxxtreme ten year old breaking all the rules. That was Epic Lame.
3) Uh oh! Kirk is allergic to penicillin! WHOOOOPS! Duh.
4) The whole Future Spock thing was totally fucking retarded. And his exposition on Hoth was cringe-inducing.
Still, these raging moments of awfulness aside, I enjoyed the movie. Now that they've got the awkward re-intro story out of the way, it'll be cool to see where they take it next.
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Was that necessary? Did that add anything to the film? That should scene DEFINITELY have been cut out completely.
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for some of these pretentious self serving hack fucks like Fat ass whatever and genreboy to provide an example of a truly inscrutible film. I sure as shit hope THE DARK KNIGHT isn't their example of a film "critical thinking" isn't necessary to enjoy. Shit! I can't even watch that turgid downer of a film anymore. Let's not even get started on glaring plot holes such as the entire sojourn overseas or the wasted Bat sonar climax. Dumbed down audiences. That makes me fucking laugh. Most film critics are turgid uninspired pieces of shit like you guys, yet this movie has a 96 percent approval, oh wait, does The Dark Knight have such a critical critic reaction? I think you guys surely must be thinking of Event Horizon or Solaris as intelligent science fiction. What a God damn Joke.
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$24 Million for Friday, $7 Million for Thursday night, $31 Million total so far...
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Well not really but if it was bad that would be my excuse. As it turns out, it was way better then something with a premise like this has any business of being. I know there are tons of plot holes but you just can't escape that. It's the nature of the beast when you decide the plot has to do with time travel and alternate reality bs. I kind of wish Bones was angrier at least at Spock for marooning Kirk. I guess the animosity towards Kirk and Spock took president and Bones yelling at him would be overkill. I actually think Nimoy was too emotional. I guess he let go in his old age? How many Vulcans were saved anyway? It look like just a handful. Who would need a planet with that many survivors? I think old Spock has different plans. "I will set up a new Vulcan colony consisting of myself and green alien chicks only. It is highly logical." Now you know why Shatner is disappointed that he's not in this! And those are my mindless ramblings to get loss in a sea of even more mindless ramblings. 'Fascinating'.
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Ok, but what did you really think? LOL.On a serious note, from the sound of your post, it seems like you feel that anyone who liked this is a complete and total moron. You may not have directly said it, but it is heavily implied. No one, well not me anyways, is denying your right to your opinion, but to make the ones who enjoyed it feel like morons is out of line. If this was not your intention, my apologies, but it sure seems that way.
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Your kidding right ST11 better than ST5,7,9 & 10!!
ST5 contained the best Kirk,Spock,McCoy interaction since the TOS series in the 1960's and Goldsmith hit it out the park with an amazing score. Movie was hurt badly by budget cuts & the 1988 writers strike. VFX were terrible because they had no money or time. Most of the budget went to the TOS actors and sets/on location work.
ST7. Even though its a deeply flawed film the brief Shatner,Doohan,Koenig scenes alone were pretty good. Then Shatner/Stewart together briefly was again interesting as were the VFX work, sound FX design & music. Its not a great movie and had a lot of problems but at least it was watchable.
ST9. Yeah your right its very poor but again it functions as a ST movie with the TNG crew at least having a different mission to undertake. The big issue on this movie was the budget was kept low so they did not have much money to work with which is reflected in the story choices.
ST10. Again your right it was dreck mostly but it did contain SOME things to like with Goldsmith's score some nifty VFX from Digital Domain and a few unusal sequences like the buggy chase.
Compare all this to the tragic trashy mess of ST11 and IMO no contest those movies flawed as they all were gave me more entertainment.
If you like this form of entertainment good for you but don't try to ram that down my throat as its insulting especially to a semi trekkie (loved TOS liked some of TNG) like me who can enjoy anything if its well made. -
Great job, sir.
Yeah, the Kobayashi Maru scene was actually a subtle nod to Kirk's scene in TWOK where he tells Saavik about how he "changed the conditions of the test." You see, he was eating an apple in both scenes. So, you could imagine every single time James Kirk ate an apple for the rest of his life, he reminded himself of his own awesomeness. I love that guy. -
to see Star trek done with a big budget. Has Paramount's early theory that big budget Trek doesn't make its money back been quelled yet? How is this thing doing anyway?
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Not at all if you enjoyed it good for you. I wanted to love it but it was a HUGE letdown to me. I feel the reverse like the other haters that NOT liking it is making me out to be a moron!!!
We have to agree to disagree I'm affraid!
I think I understand now that some people can like something and just accept it warts and all even if it messes badly with previous films/shows they liked in the same series.
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With all due respect, I am not in any way trying to shove anything down anyone's throat, as that is something that truly makes me sick. We have a difference of opinion that's all, I see your points and while I may not agree with them, I respect them.ST V-Not unwatchable dreck like Nemesis is, and yes it had some of the best Kirk/Spock/McCoy interactions of the series("I could use a shower"...short stare...."Yes" classic!) For me it was too dumb overall.de-Generations-I admit I was never a huge fan of TNG, that being said I tried to give this movie a chance. The beginning with the old crew members, good. The rest was bland to me, and even the Kirk/Picard team up was a let down, not to mention that James T Kirn is give the single most lame death in the history of the world, he deserved a much better death than the horrible horrible one he got.Insurrection and Nemesis-Insurrection was slightly watchable but not enough that I would want to see it again. Nemesis was just awful i have tried to watch it a few times and have managed to see the entire film just not in one sitting. Killing off Data then bringing a replacement? Utterly lame, it totally diminishes the impact of his death, making it pretty meaningless.Ok I am done with my rants LOL. We have different views and I welcome friendly civilized debates, and you are have strong opinions but so far you have not treated me like a moron which is refreshing. Well I gotta go to my kid's first communion, will yack back at ya later...peace.
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"Inscrutable Films": The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Wonder Boys,
Bandits, Alien, Aliens, The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep,
The Pledge, The Shining,
Anything Woody Allen 1960's-1990's
2001: A Space Odyssey, Being John Malkovitch, The Royal Tennenbaums,
The Spanish Prisoner,King Kong 1933,Casablanca, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Spinal Tap, Ed Wood...just to name a few. Now kindly fuck off and climb back into the stinking, slime-filled hole that you crawled out from. -
Douchebags.
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Origins won't break 200 million domestic. Pathetic. Trek will definitely eclipse 200 million.
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Originally posted by genrefanboy :" I am perfectly entitled to talk about the issues I have with this movie its not like I'm being rude to anyone yet have endured a lot of rudeness just because I do not run with the crowd who worship the hype-o-meter and dare to say (with reasons why) its a poor movie which happens to offend me as a fan of TOS. "
Over and over? I mean what do you hope to accomplish here? Most people seem to like this film. You didn't. We got that. -
Grew up with 'Trek in the'70's, played with the toys, lived for STTNG in high school, went to conventions, bought the toys and grew out of it eventually. For me nothing can replace the original, only succeed it. And this has in so many ways. I'm sure everyone here feels qualified on some level to love or hate it, but for me this is a return to everything that made it what it was for me and what inspired me as a kid to want to learn more about space and technology. I met friends through it, learned through it and grew through it all and to have a piece of that back again so fresh after all these years it is one helluva treat. Everything worked on this film and those people that come in not getting it will always be those people. Can't wait to go again.
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I haven't walked out of a theater so happy since Batman was done right. JJ Abrams nailed it! That was everything that is good about going to the movies, a great adventure with awesome characters. Simply awesome. If you didn't like it there's still plenty to look forward to, but as far as I'm concerned its Trek then everything else this summer.
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I haven't seen this movie yet but I'm liking it more already due to an obvious smear campaign by a couple of guys here on this talkback!
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Can you please type a grammatically-correct sentence? I can't understand anything you're saying. Is English your first language?
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subscibe to your opinion and agree 100% percent with you. Keep fucking telling us over and over and we'll be bound to come around eventually though you pompous douchebag. PS. Learn to speak English so your posts aren't so unintentionally hilarious.
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J.J. Abrams and company nailed the dismount. Star Trek is BACK!
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Paramount's reboot of the sci-fi classic franchise "Star Trek" had no problem playing beyond its core Trekkie crowd Friday as the pic raked in an estimated $31 million giving the Melrose lot its second highest opening day ever at the box office for a live-action film.
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ALL SPOILERS
Really are you guys KIDDING me? I wanted to like this, but would have needed a lobotomy to appreciate it.
Forget that they wipe the future of Trek away. That’s annoying and unnecessary, but would have been somewhat tolerable had the movie backed it up by being GOOD. But let’s review
We have class D hack-comedy like Kirk running around during a crisis with balloon-hands while Bones chases him around poking with a syringe as he tries to save the ship. We have constant wisecracking during tense scenes which detracts from any seriousness, Kirk eating an apple during the final Kobiashi Maru and a silly monster chase that looked like it was ripped off from The Phantom Menace
We also have script holes the size of a bus that culminate with a black hole being created in the Earth’s orbit during the “climax” and Kirk being handed the reigns to the enterprise permanently 3 months out of the academy.
This movie looked like a bunch of kids playing start trek in their garage more than portraying the bringing together of a great crew that it was intended to do.
What really scares me is that the movie will probably do really well and encourage more scripts of this crap caliber to be turned into even crappier movies. You guys seem to mock Bay’s rendition of Transformers, but like this? Really? This crap was FAR worse than Bays weakest moments in Transformers.
Count me bummed - after all the hype I thought we would have at least a good Star Trek movie once more…this is a movie I’ll probably never waste 2 hours of my life on again even in he background while I’m doing something else.
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So I'm too lazy to read every post already up. If the following has been said better by others so be it. Where did Spock get a Rambaldi device? What was the deal with the "star dates?" You can't say "star date" and then just give the Earth Year CE. "Star date 2387"
Kirk gets chased by a Polar Bear? And then by a giant vagina monster?
Are people on here really referring to Star Wars as "ANH" & "A New Hope"? The name of that Movie is "Star Wars."
Abrams signature moment #1= fade out sound effects & dialog, bring up music, pull the emotional strings. Thought it would be at the end of the film, but was slapped in the face by it up front.
Does he only direct TV movies?
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Yes they did. And thank god. The Next Generation was like watching a board meeting. That is why Shatner outshone Stewart in Generations. The characters are more real, and do more, and are just a lot more fun to watch. That whole time period made Star Trek boring. The only thing I liked was Voyager because at least the characters fought and did crap.
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So English ISN'T your first language. Thank you for answering my question, asshole.
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Everyone I saw at my theater came out of the new Star Trek smiling and discussing their favorite parts.
Everyone, myself included, looked shell shocked and on the verge of tears walking out of Phantom Menace.
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May 09, 2009 1:34:03 PM CDT
Fuck you and Variety Herc, only my opinion matters!
by another_typical_talkbacker
I hate Star Trek.
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There's a new Star Trek film out? I hadn't even heard a new one was being made, after Nemesis. What's the story?
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Peço desculpas para o que sugere que o seu Inglês é terrível. Estou certo de seu Português é tão mau.
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Aside from ST V and Insurrection, the ST movies at least always sport the cutting edge of special effects. I watched ST II last weekend and I definitely prefer the look of the 80s style model work to the shakey-cam CGI stuff in the new version. I don't hate the way the new version looks, but it was really hard to see what was going on in most of the space scenes.
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Nice one trying to change the subject though. Now please try and remember the subject at hand is you being an annoying illiterate spamming bitch. We get it. You disagree with all of us and your opinion is the only correct one. Fine...now fuck off. Oh and of course I ate the studios marketing right up. We all did right you soppy cunt?? That's the only possible explanation because it's not at all possible to like something you don't? You've proven that time and time again.
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Este é o tipo de discurso literário elevados Isaac Asimov sempre sonhou.
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Great Cast--Bones, was spot on perfect, and I loathe Quinn in general, but his Spock was flawless.Great Story, high energy, never dull.Of course, Abrams deserves a lot of credit here, but I think equal credit goes the Conspicuous Absence of Berman and Braga. Thanks for staying OUT of this, you two HACKS.The only thing I would have cut entirely was the creature chase, bigger creature eats first creature, then resumes chase scene. That gave me unpleasant flashbacks to the "underwater thru planet's core, there's-always-a-bigger-fish scene that Lucas perpetrated on us.
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I think Roger Ebert got it right, which is kind of sad for me to admit. This is Star Trek for the teenie-bopper crowed, without a shred of intelligence.
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I'd have to say JJ movie.
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When people hate here they hate HARD and PASSIONATELY. Good for you to have the guts and passion (if not the intelligence to use spell and grammar check). I enjoy reading a lot of the love and hate here, but like I said, I'm a lover not a hater of this film and how it rejuvenated (spellchecked) the 40 + year old franchise. I sad that the Roddenberrys couldn't be a part of this and how D. Kelley and Jimmy Doohan both are gone now. As much as they loved or hated being associated with 'Trek they gave rise to icons so big that they live beyond them. These movies will continue and although they're always going to be more about money than art than they ever were in the past (I hate that movies live and die by opening weekends and multiple screens) what they mean to the core fan base and what they mean to the kids of those people (some of which I hope did not procreate though they were some of my best friends in the past) is what it really is all about. For the haters (and I've met a few of various movies) is that you guys really don't know what you want, but that what you're seeing isn't it. Tough shit. Grow up. But, keep that kid part of you (the part that Lucas wanted to point is movies at in the first place, but got a little lost along the way with 20 years in between) going and drop the critical bullshit that in the end makes ya'll look like frikkin' cry baby imbeciles (spellchecked). I loved it or I hated it is good enough for most here. And, although I love Robert Wise's work on STTMP, he is the guy that directed the Sound of Music and making a scifi film was a bit out of his league (and don't go there with Andromeda Strain as that was painfully slow too). Too much cinema and drama and long winded SFX with little action. JJ, you done right from a person whose loved 'Trek for more than 30 years of watching and growing up with it.
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fun casting and production. story was stupid
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You fucking serial child molester. How many of my Childhood franchises are going to anally sodomize? Anything short of a 100% cartoon translation equals epic failure. I hate you. I hate you more then hate allows me to hate what I really hate most about you.
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Star Trek is one of the best Action-Adventure films I have EVER SEEN! A perfect example of it's kind. I felt like a kid again. JJ Adam has announced himself as a major film making force to be reckoned with. This film has set the bar really high for this summer and beyond. 10 out 10 for sure.
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May 09, 2009 1:48:07 PM CDT
La chatte d'Asimovs prennent svp du conseil libre!!!!
by destruction_foutue_totale
Cessez svp de spamming la TB avec votre merde élitiste idiote de cheval. Je n'ai pas même aimé le film et même je pense you' ; au sujet d'une chatte. Également si vous ne pouvez pas parler les anglais parlent juste dans votre propre langue moins que vous ressemblez à de 4 ans retardé avec la grippe. Nous avons une énonciation ici en France. Une fois you' ; le VE fait votre point que vous devriez le passer et ne pas dire à plusieurs reprises jusqu'à ce que vous soyez considéré un sac ennuyant de merde. La pénalité pour donner sur ceci doit fisted maintes et maintes fois par les citadins locaux et être donnée un aigle de sang classé par balle spéciale. Veuillez tellement en conclusion se cassent et meurent. Plus vous détestez plus que vous ne faites rien mais mangez dehors le chat de la DESTRUCTION FOUTUE TOTALE ! ! ! !
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You're Mexican? Well, then maybe AsimovLives will call you a "Mexican't" like he does when addressing Bob Orci. And he'll say it with a straight face as he tosses around the word "xenophobic".Ain't he funny?
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Cette dernière partie ne semble aucun raisonnable à moins que j'aie mentionné ce vagin d'eata d'Asimovlives comme un amateur foutu.
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a Trek film that fans and non fans can enjoy that is doing $$$$ to ensure a sequel...Bonus no Shatner, and with the timeline twist,no more "canon" or continuity issues, well done Paramount,well done cant wait to see the next installment
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I thought it was a decent movie. A bit too many "close call" action sequences, which seem to be getting worse and worse in movies lately. I would have preferred they edited out the car sequence and especially the snow monsters sequence.
I thought Urban and Quinto were good. Chris Pine really just, well he just isn't very charismatic.
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Seriously what is with some of you nerds who didn't like this movie?! Your a bunch of creatively depraved losers who do nothing but bitch. There is nothing and I do mean nothing not to like about this film. This note especially goes out to Roger Ebert because his review was just a back handed compliment. What is with people who can't enjoy something that's simply balls out entertainment.
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Fornicate you!
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As evidenced in previous political Talkbacks, this guy endorses the use of waterboarding and other "enhanced interrogation techniques".Quote: "You are one of the rare voice of reason in this wilderness of bougth off on the cheap geeks."And maybe you should know who you are addressing before you post out of your ass.
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So now we're resorting to W cracks? The rest of the world has moved on, which also happens to be why we can enjoy this fun roller coaster ride and you can't.
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What the hell are you talking about, M-O-M? I'm not the one running around calling people "Mexican't". YOU are.
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I can feel the hate within in you culminating. I hate Star Trek too, can yo come along and hate it with me. Since you have a habit of purchasing tickets for movies you hate. We're haters, embrace the hate, I hate you very much.
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If you watch the movie ‘Star Trek’ backwards, it’s a movie about a shark that keeps jumping itself until they have to open a beach.
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HATE HATE HATE!
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Quote: "He doesn't deserve to be called a mexican. It's too good for him. He's a failure, and to have him call a mexican would be an insult to every living and dead mexican. so,he's not a mexican, he's a mexiCAN'T."WOW. Is anybody else seeing this?!
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It should read, "And truly befitting anybody who loves...." i.e. you don't need the word "for". Unless you meant to say "And truly fitting for anybody..." which would be less pretentious language. If you are struggling with English, I would advise you to use simpler words so you don't overreach and botch things so badly as you are prone to do.
Strictly-speaking, you should never start a sentence with the word "And", but in your case I'll make an exception, because you are Portuguese. -
How are ya, sir? Not much good stuff to TB about here, lately. No BSG. Got the Caprica dvd, but haven't had time to watch it. Star Trek was fun, though, and a good reboot approach. Cheers.
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Just FYI, Kirk DID NOT in fact have a toy model of his dad's ship, that was a salt and pepper shaker, as you can see him shake some salt out of the saucer, and there was a large S on it, the pepper comes out of the secondary hull. Thought you would like to know.
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Hey, what's up, buddy! I'm sorry I missed you and NoHubris for the final BSG thread. I never got around to posting my thoughts. Just know that I was pleased!I have not yet seen CAPRICA but I'm definitely going to give it a shot when it hits the air.Yeah, TB has been kind of dead as of late. However, these big tentpole summer flicks have got some new blood pumping.Glad to hear you enjoyed STAR TREK. I may check it out on IMAX! tonight. If so, I'd gladly offer my thoughts - positive and/or negative.
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Seriously. You're embarrassing yourself.
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But I hated you before I knew you weren't Amurrrrrican. I figured you were just another illiterate fuckhole. But you are Portuguese illiterate fuckhole. I can't help that. Hahahaha hahahahaha hahahahah.
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OGM and LMAO for all the goodness an insolent wrench can drop on this TB!. Its a shame a shit like Asimov Lives uses a place like this to foment his grammatically inefficient anger to lash out at other over something as a kickass summer movie sending up some of the greats in sicfi franchise history. But, for commedy relief you dicks cannot be beat hard 'nuff. Love it. Keep it coming, but I gotta leave soon to give more Benjamins to the studios for this excellent picture. Oh, and if you think STTOG was cannon not to be fucked with then watch Mudd's Women again as it certainly found time to fuck with itself. I for one am going to watch Doomsday Machine and get that 'ol 'Trek lovin' feelin'. HOOAHHH!
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If he can't be Mexican since he wrote a bad script what's left? So in a way Asicunt is saying only white people are allowed to write horrible screenplays. Which is even more racist than the Mexican't statement if you think about it. Also Asimov if I was full-blooded Mexican does that mean I am incapable of writing a horrible movie?? Because I'm petty sure I could if I applied myself.
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May 09, 2009 2:12:22 PM CDT
Whoops. Forgot to write it in french. Oh well. Fuck it.
by destruction_foutue_totale
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HELLO Willy Wonka. Duh.
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You don't like the movie, and that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But constantly using terms like 'Jay Jay's Star Trek' and 'mexican't' just makes you seem like a complete moron who is trying way too hard to be clever. Well, maybe you could pass for a clever 4th grader.
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Say the word xenophobic again!Keep saying the word xenophobic!!Say it!!! Say xenophobic!!! Again!!!!!!!!
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I suppose I should be Cu-BANNED?
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...or have yet to guess, AsimovLives is former AICN Talkback, Memories-Of-Murder. So, if his overwrought, pompous, borish nature seems familiar...well, there you go.
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It's "ad hominem", not "ad nominem". Please make a note of it so that in the future you'll sound less stupid. And it is "these fucks" not "this fucks". And the word "cool" is spelled with two 'O's, not two ells. And "Until then", not "Until them", what are you? A retarded Portuguese person? You got "sow" right though!! Good for you!! LOOK AT YOU!! GETTING SOMETHING RIGHT!!!
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Thanks for a job well done. Good luck with the next one- I'm looking forward to it.
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It is "beyond belief" NOT "beyond believe". Secondly, and this is strictly a matter of prose style, you might want to refrain from using the words "retard" and "retarded" more than two times in one post. It softens the hateful impact of this word. But thank you for trying.
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The main negative i can see from reading user reviews on here and the very rare negative press review is about the alternative timeline but think about it, has the timeline realy been changed that much?. 'The Motion Picture' should still happen as the Voyager probe was sent 200 years before the events in this movie so that should still happen. 'Wrath of Khan' and Star Trek 3 are 50/50 as we can't be sure that this crew will still go on to find Khan and his people. 'The Voyage Home' should still happen as the alien probe is responding to the extinction of the whales which happened decades before the events in Abrams movie. Star Trek 5 and 6 are again 50/50's.
I can't see how the events in this film would effect in any way Pikards birth or desire (and the rest of the TNG crew) to join Star Fleet (same with Voyager and DS9).
Time Travel has always facinated me and i have researched 'theorys' on it (including reading Stephen Hawkins views on it) and the 'view' seems to be that you need to travel back 10's of thousands of years to considerably change the future, not the 100 years or so that is effected in Abrams film so maybe the timeline isn't effected that much, sure Vulcan is destroyed but would that realy change the timeline that much in respect of TNG, DS9, Voyager and most of the movies?.
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Ha! You're so full of shit; it's unbelievable! No, I don't have you mistaken for a South Korean film. But I do have you pegged as former Talkbacker, Memories-Of-Murder. It's something that you already admitted to less than a week ago, dummy!PLEASE explain or cite an example of my so-called "xenophobia". I have a feeling I'll be waiting for a loooong time since I know for a fact you won't find any such thing.
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Have you ever witnessed a full AICN Talkbacker meltdown? If not, then I present to you:AsimovLives!!!
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Too much silly / nonsensical shut going on, and WAY too much comic relief/slapstick. But it was a good flick. I'm looking forward to what they'll do for a sequel now that they got the re-origin out of the way. Clearly there is ALOT of potential for a really awesome sequel.
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The correct usage would be "as untalented as untalented GETS" (not "goes". At least that's how English-speaking people use that expression. FYI.) Now, "you don't deserved" is you just getting sloppy. Because I know you have learned tense. Haven't you? And do I really have to explain to you the difference between the word "to" and the word "too"? Remember what you've learned, little one. And the word "comprehend" has one "h" in it. Not zero!
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What's up, sir? I know you are a big STAR TREK fan so I'm glad that you were pleased with the film.Between STAR TREK, T4:S, and TRANSFORMERS 2, I have a feeling that Talkback is going to explode with summer popcorn flick venom!
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He was my favorite character. Also, I just about kicked the seat in front of me with glee when Scotty said, "I'm givin' 'er all she's got, Captain!"
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Unlike Berman and Braga, who were just trying to squeeze another dollar out of the franchise with no real love for the material, Abrams obviously loves and respects it.It is really odd that some folks are complaining about deviation from canon, here, when Abrams went out of his way to separate this from the canon without destroying or disrespecting it: Berman and Braga ripped the thing to shreds before they were done, bleeding it dry. Abrams recognized there was no way to work within that "canon" because it was in shreds.What you'll see here is someone who feels all the excitement, expectation, and joy about Trek that we all used to feel way back when. It may be silly in places, but so was the original. Anyway, you'll have a blast! The few minor nitpicks will be outweighed by the sheer fun of the thing.
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If you recall, Spock went to warp and the Narada chased after it, far away from the Solar System.
As for the "future being wiped away" that's not necessarily the case. All that this time travel managed was to create an alternate timeline- basically a parallel universe. But that's more subject to interpretation, so your position is valid in its own way. -
Give me an example of this "xenophobia". Can you cite one? You can't, can you?Yet, here we have you insulting somebody's race because of there perceived lack of talent. Only you, a person who types before he thinks, would sink so low.Pathetic.
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Hey man, definitely see it in IMAX. I guess you've been sufficiently spoiled by reading the TBs and reviews-- that's why I had to see it Thursday, I knew I couldn't stay away from the nets with everyone commenting, etc. And I'm planning to see it again tomorrow night.
I think the plot had problems and I certainly believe the villain wasn't well-developed (but he was well-acted). Those things aside, for me- being a fan of TOS- I was very pleased with how they interpreted these characters. Even the worst STAR TREK films are entertaining because of the characters. This was a decent plot but wrapped up with great character work- so the movie succeeds for me as a result. -
...some tool who dares use Asimov's name in vain attempt to associate himself with greatness. This fool wants to make this TB about himself.To quote Bones from TOS:"What he says is unimportant. We do not Hear his words."So no need for banning, simple ignoring will suffice.
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Very cool. I was never really a true STAR TREK fan. I mean, I somewhat enjoyed the original series but I prefered TNG. There is a several season stretch of that series that is really strong. However, on the flip-side, I prefered the original cast's movies. That seemed to be where the franchise shined the most. So, to have this new film go back to the original characters has me interested.It's a shame that Berman and Braga were allowed to carry on for as long as they did. It was evident that they really drained the concept(s) dry. Just coming across a random episode of VOYAGER or ENTERPRISE would make me wince with embarrassment.
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May 09, 2009 2:57:48 PM CDT
EBERT's opinions don't matter: he has no tongue and is missing..
by fletcher_hanks
...many brain cells due to radiation therapy and the proximity of his tumor to certain "access centers" of his brain stem. Fact.
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I've definitely tried to avoid as many spoilers and plot-summaries as I can. I'd like to preserve as much of that "going in blind" aspect as possible. Glad to hear that you saw it early and experience it totally fresh.Believe it or not, I've yet to experience an IMAX showing. So, if I do see it tonight, I'm really looking forward to the overall viewing difference.
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Fuck your own face.
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I grew up watching TOS every day when I got home from school--couldn't get enough of it, even though it was campy and silly at times, but with occasional moments of greatness.I, too, enjoyed TNG more, and found some of the story arcs to be superb (the fleshing out of the Klingon culture, the Picard/Borg arc).DSN got too dull too soon, and I gave up, though I heard it got better toward the end. Voyager was so badly written it was intolerable, and Enterprise, well, I could not get all the way thru the first episode!I am not a Trekkie/Trekker by any means, but a friend of mine is, and watched every episode of every show--he felt compelled, I guess, but he was continuously frustrated by what B&B did to the franchise and the canon.Abrams separated himself from that ingeniously: he can take the good stuff from it, kick the B&B carnage to the curb, and start fresh.B&B had taken the thing to the same place Lucas took Star Wars--instead of looking forward to more, one hoped they would just STOP.This one has me looking forward to more, again, and that is a nice feeling.
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That's awesome. I know that a lot of Trekkers/Trekkies have expressed the same sentiment. They're very excited that the frachise appears to have life again and that it does so while still feeling like the old favorite.Can you imagine if Lucas had succeeded by doing the same with STAR WARS?
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You're totally entitled to your opinion, but some of your nitpicks (russian-born Anton Yelchin's "annoying" Russian accent chief among them) seem to come out of some kind of desperate need to find arbitrary reasons to dislike the movie.
Some of your criticisms are valid, to be sure, it was far from a perfect film, but it was visually entertaining, an exciting pace was retained throughout , the characters didn't deviate from the ones we know and love (try watching early TOS Spock- he's constantly simmering with repressed emotion; because Spock's whole character is about emotional repression- that's why we find him so 'fascinating')
The film retained the humor, adventure, spirit of teamwork of TOS repackaged for a non-trekker audience. What it had to lose (for at least the time being, we'll see with the sequels) was the secular-humanist philosophy that Roddenberry made so endemic to Trek. That may be your fundamental problem with it, which is valid, but hear me out:
The ultimate problem with Trek for at least the last decade and a half was the increasing tendency to preach exclusively to the choir, that is, the rapidly shrinking Trek fanbase who insist that the basic status quo of the trek universe is never disrupted in any meaningful way. So while the first 2 series and first 6 movies constantly shook up what was expected (Killing Spock, destroying the Enterprise, Making the Klingons an ally to the federation and making their culture less one-dimensional...all these things were controversial for fans at the time) But these kind of sea-changes made the Trek universe exciting for many fans.
With TNG movies and the subsequent spin-offs a formula seemed to emerge that Berman and Braga became far too beholden to. The Trek universe became static. Nothing ever changed in any meaningful way. Classic villains (Romulans in particular) became neutered to make way for crap like the Dominion, which never seemed as threatening to the federation as maybe it should have been. The Maquis storyline (quite possibly one of the most unsettling ideas in all of Trek) was abandoned in favor of keeping the lines of good and evil clearly drawn without any of the ambiguity we get in exciting dramatic Sci-fi.
The best example of the static nature of post TNG Trek is the way Worf, despite being stationed on DS9 and commanding the Defiant, somehow would ALWAYS end up on the Enterprise for one of the movies. I like Worf too, but the writers were so afraid of meaningful change that they couldn't even stick to the minor plot points they themselves wrote- for fear of upsetting their fans.
Remember, at this time Trek was one of the only franchises on TV that openly took submissins from fans for episode ideas, even scripts. With the entire fanbase steering the franchise from the internet, instead of boldly going where no-one has gone before, they steered the franchise in a circle for so long that no one realized they were circling the drain before it was too late.
This new Trek movie, warts and all, is a rejection of the premise that what the fans 'want' is always best. Shockingly, Abrams seemed to set out to make a movie first, and a Star Trek movie second (Kind of like TDK being a film first and a Batman movie second). Despite how you may feel, this is a good direction for the franchise. More non-fans going to Trek means more money in Paramount's coffers, which ultimately equals MORE TREK- which is what we all really want. The Batman Begins comparison is best here. Yes; there are a million ways to tell the story of how Bruce Wayne became Batman, and everyone here has a slightly different version of how they wanted to see that. BB showed us an origin that (I imagine) few of us would have picked had we been given the privilege of making a Batman movie, but despite its flaws (which it had MANY) it was not only a solid, entertaining film, it set us up for TDK, which only the sourest basement-dwelling nerd is still attempting to pick apart. This new Trek is not perfect, but we as fans (and the vast majority of movie-going teens this weekend) have made a cash investment in the future of Trek. This means more movies (with bigger budgets, more time and detail put into them) and the possibility of animated series, live action series, books, comics and video games that don't suck.
The Trek universe had become too small, now it's as big, dangerous and exciting as it was in the sixties, and we all get to watch it unfold. How can that be a bad thing?
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Yes yes I did catch Trek just now, it was alotta fun. It was well cast, there are nods aplenty to fans of the series, the F/X are quite fine--hmmmmm it moves right along, etc. Can't think of much to say against it-save for a minor groan or two at the time-travel ping-pong games they play, and I'd have enjoyed seeing Shatner in there somewheres-and sure Bana is under-used, but besides that--not much of a complaint here. Fine fine reboot. I thought Karl Urban and Scotty were the best of the lot, but all of the newbies as oldies were good and well cast. They COULD have used some Giant Robots-but as the Next Big Genre flick in fact, Has them--no reason to bitch there, either---
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What did you think of the Spock-Uhura romance? I knew about it going into the movie and hated the idea, but it actually was one of the better character choices in the film after having seen it.
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Yup--Lucas did so much harm as he went on, it is now basically just depressing to try and watch the early stuff--now that we know how crappy each successive movie in the next trilogy will get, it is just hard to care anymore.So this break from B&B opens the door again for good Trek stuff.Anyway, ENJOY it on IMAX!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5_m4mWSnQ4
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Why not-? Now they COULD have really gone 'out there' and had Sulu and Chekhov as a couple---but that'd be a bit too close to Mr. Mammaries of Mommy's fetishes. This is for MrGeyser as I KNOW you'll enjoy it: OUR FUCKING FRIEND FROOoooooooooommmm OoooPOrto!!! How are you doing, O impregnator of all things Helium filled and shaped like Generalissimo Franco? Do they STILL spell Moron w/ Three M's in Manaus? or is it TWO? Two now? MmmmmmmmmmmmmmmBoyssssssssss-Mammaries of Mommy is back----we kin Feel our collective IQ's droppin' and the paranoia increasin' yessireeebob. Git ready for June 27th, when Big Robots Hitting One Another Once Again comes to the screen-and we hear about Mammaries, a Bell-tower, Oporto in lock-down and 'several shots being fired'. A truly lovely time shall be had, by All.
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A good assessment. One notable thing to add is that Paramount, in what was really an odd reaction to their dwindling appeal, mercilessly tightened the noose on the production budget for each successive TNG film. I remember Frakes being praised internally for delivering a Sci Fi film (Insurrection) that was largely shot in some locale that might have been a panoramic view from one of the exec's patio. I do welcome the return of the more red-blooded version of Trek though. TNG will get rediscovered in time as well and deserves to (and was clearly respected by this new movie too) but yeah the last throes (Voyager, DS9) were too easy to tune out as time wore on for all the reasons you stated.
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... the guards found AsimovLives, took his keyboard away, and put him back in the cushioned room.
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Based on everything I read beforehand I was prepared not to like the new Chekhov but having seen it I thought he was great. I realize now I never liked the original Chekhov much to begin with. Scotty's sidekick gargoyle little dude though was especially superfluous and I was annoyed to see that thing on the Enterprise at the end of the movie. I've head complaints about the Engineering section in the movie, and someone I saw the movie with brought it up to me also. It could have used more tech but the Enterprise is (among other things) an enormous flying office building. It stands to reason that "the bowels of the ship" would include the kind of unslick ductwork and jumbo plumbing we saw in the film. A far cry from that tidy little drawing room we saw in TOS. I usually hate lens flares in Photoshop, but in this movie I loved every single one of them. The film just LOOKS gorgeous. I felt the same way about Sunshine two years ago. I just loved looking at it. And after all the grey form-fittin Nerf uniforms of previous Star Treks it was a flippin' JOY to see all the bold primary colors AND the loose tee-shirty uniform shirts. I love the mixing of state-of-the-art effects and with old analog feeling toggles and levers and baggy shirts. LOVE IT.
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ad if it's got decent legs (and with universally good reviews, and probably a fair amount of repeat viewings by young-uns and, well, huge nerds) this could be legitimately huge.wonder if all the people claiming this would be lackluster at the BO will come back here. I've got some crow they can eat...
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Under the latest "DISTRICT 9" story here at AICN, I shared my appreciation for the life-like, documentary-feel that Hollywood is increasingly infusing into sci-fi and fantasy motion pictures. But in that posting, I also mentioned the need for artistic license. The way we visualize stories, no matter if you're talking comic books or video games or movies,...the visual is such an important element. And with film, digital or otherwise,...that element involves many visual professions. And those professions all combine to create what we see on screen. It is an amazing process.
I enjoyed "STAR TREK"...though, as good as it obviously is, I felt let down a small bit. I let myself get caught up in all the high praise. But hindsight allows us a very convenient perspective. So,...that being said,...allow me to share my perspective,...in what I felt was a key disappointment (at least, for me).
To convey what I feel would have been a major boost for this motion picture, in a way that would make it a SMASH HIT even beyond the blockbuster it will surely prove to be,...I'm going to put it in a simple way. In my opinion, this particular "STAR TREK" could have used a small nudge in the direction of the original STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
The BEST thing about this movie was the cast. --WOW!!! In the original series, the cast made these characters their own. And fortunately, these young actors managed to do the same. --Bravo!!!
Basically, all the elements were there. But in the case of this STAR TREK, I disagree with the lack of visual clarity, in the decision of going with the shaky-camera and closer-in action shots. It is a stylistic choice, though some might call it lazy. And it is obviously a less expensive way to shoot action,...and in some eyes, it is even considered cheating. The director and the actors involved can succeed with lesser choreography. Despite the advantages, I have a difference of opinion in this stylistic choice, for this particular production. --And I say this while someone is counting beans (so-to-speak) at the studio.
I wanted better fight choreography (though there was genuine excitement). I wanted STAR WARS influenced cameras, with clarity of action (no shaky-cam). And I wanted space to appear a little less smokey and cloudy (and more STAR WARS influenced). And I wanted the enemy ships to be just a little less dark in interior design, perhaps influenced by the cleaner eye of James Cameron, utilizing blue lights (recalling the hive in ALIENS). But again, these are stylistic choices. And if you agree with all the stylistic choices that were made, you are in for one hell of STAR TREK.
Live long and prosper.
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After seeing the movie I thought I liked it. Now after all this talkback fighting. And several people opening my eyes to all the plot holes. I'm not sure what to think. Someone please help me and tell me how I am supposed to feel. There were some really good moments in the film. Young Spock fighting, the barage of laser fire from the ships. It has to be hard to make a movie right, and make everyone happy.
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Firefly not Enterprise was this Gen's Star Trek and they screwed us out of it.
and Firefly did not have a Beer Brewery in there Engine Room
Star Trek (2009) was like having people you like make fun of old friend you like
Star Trek: New Voyages was not the adoltry Star Trek (2009) is
Star Trek (2009) Scotty's space mounkey
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from a JJ Abrams Interview:
"At the beginning of the process, if you had said who was your favorite character? Which one would you play? I would say probably none of them. I don’t really connect to any of them. Now I’d say I couldn’t choose one of them because I love them all. I never felt like I was Spock, I never felt that I was Kirk, I wasn’t Bones, I wasn’t Scotty, I wasn’t Uhura, Sulu, I wasn’t any of them really. Now I sort of feel like I love all of them and I know all of them."
people clutch their dolls and cry all they want, but the fact that this movie was made by someone who's a filmmaker first, and a trek fan second, and written by 2 guys with VERY different experiences with the series', is what makes it good.
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Picard going all Ahab was THE greatest moment of the entire series, all the series, bar none. I LOVED that. He was also the best captain on the show. As much as I love the campy cheese of TOS, TNG was def the best of the Trekverse imho.
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But Nero kidnapping Spock and stealing his spaceship, was unprofessional. What a douche.
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BTW does Pike still have the Mincontrol worm in him??
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Will some one help a guy out and point me to where in this whole "Professional" thing first cropped up? I find it quite funny. The only take-away from this Talkback I have any use of whatsoever.
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Thank you for summing up exactly what is so good about this Trek- you'll have to excuse my not being into the whole brevity thing on my previous post.
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when he chewed out the light guy.
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I must admit I had reservations about him taking over the franchise, but as far as I'm concerned he has hit a home run. I haven't enjoyed ANY movie, much less a Star Trek movie, that much in a long time.
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I kind of tuned out that whole "Christian Bale Rant" news item. Like the Alec Baldwin berating his daughter story, I figure whoever it was got what they deserved and making Bale/Baldwin out to be monsters seemed like cheap Entertainment Tonight shots to me.
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Its by no means a total failure, and full of Easter eggs for us trekkies to lap up.
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With all the hate being thrown around, I felt a need to throw my two cents in.
I am 42 years old. I literally grew up with “STAR TREK” (ME – 8-8-66, STAR TREK 9-8-66) I consider myself a Trekker I love it, I love the characters, I love the actors, I love everything about the show, the history, the stories. I also realize it is fiction and entertainment. It isn’t religion, and that is what too many people have made it.
Over the last decade or so I have been dismayed at TREK’s slide into obsolescence and obscurity. It isn’t important anymore, but it should be. TREK’s caretakers have become more shepard then visionary, locked into what worked once upon a time. The world has changed, evolved. We don’t live in the 60s anymore, or the 80s for that matter, but TREK did.
Paramount did what they needed to do for TREK to become a viable BRAND again, they brought in new blood that would, and in my opinion does, respect what TREK was but bring a new vision that would bring the audience back, and it has.
Just this afternoon, two of my 15-year-old son’s friends stopped by. I overheard them not just discussing the new film, but they were EXCITED about it. Imagine, new young fans going to see a STAR TREK movie and to be excited about it. That means TREK will prosper, and will bring Paramount (which owns the brand) much money, which will give us MORE TREK!!
I love TREK! I have since I was still counting my age in single digits. I don’t revere it. I enjoy it. I love to watch it and laugh at it and be excited about it, and even have a moral thrown in from time to time. Without this new infusion of fans and money, we would lose any new TREK, be it good or bad.
I don’t give a shit if you like the new movie or not. I don’t give a shit if you like the new timeline or not. I’m not concerned about coincidences or canon or improbabilities or the fact that a fresh out of the academy Kirk gets command of the Federation’s flagship. What I care about is that TREK lives, and I believe now that it will. The life support that was needed after Nemisis and Voyager and Enterprise can be removed, for now. This may not be the best TREK can be, but it’s better then we’ve had for a while, and it gives us the possibility of having STAR TREK’s own version of “The Dark Knight” or a new “Wrath of Khan” or “City on the Edge of Forever” in the future.
I enjoyed the movie. I love the fact that nothing is pre-ordained. Remember all that you knew, it is still there. The TOS/TNG/DS(/Voyager timeline we grew up with still exists, and always will. That will forever be OUR TREK, for the hardcore Trekkers and Trekkies, and it seems will be the only TREK for the zealots who refuse to accept change. But there is new blood, and a fresh vision in TREK now, and I embrace the possibilities with the same exuberance I did when I was a youngster who had only 79 episodes of TREK in reruns on Sunday mornings at 11:00am.
For better or worse, TREK is cool! No, not cool again, it is finally cool to everyone.
I also ask, if we can accept different actors in other roles (James Bond, Batman) why is it so difficult to accept new actors in STAR TREK?? Personally, I can’t understand why people find it so difficult.
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He wonders why Lars Von Trier didn't make a Star Trek movie shot entirely in a racquetball court...That's art!
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this is a legit question, even though I poked fun at you with the video I linked to before, I really want to know...
how popular, well-received, well-reviewed, and financially successful can a movie be before you have to admit that there isn't some empirical "badness" to it, as you keep asserting over and over, and you realize it is just your minority opinion?
minority opinions are GREAT, but you have to be able to differentiate opinion and fact, yeah?
I think you just didn't want a new Trek movie, full stop. it just sounds like you are resistant to anything new, anything even SLIGHTLY off of Trek cannon, and somehow Abrams seems to have stolen your girlfriend at some point in the past. or, with all due respect to you as a Trekkie...your imaginary girlfriend...am I close? -
why was the Enterprise A being decommissioned at the end? wasn't it a brand new ship?
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Achoo!!!
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Nemesis did in their entire runs. Haha!
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What's truly sad is that so many think this is a great movie. I feel bad for you people. I really do. You've been spoon-fed crap for entertainment for so long you no longer understand what a good movie is or isn't.
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I agree with you totally. I am 45 and have a similar history with the series. I think it's amazing what they've done/established with this new movie. I think if they want to amaze us again with the next installment they will put this excellent new cast through some actual narrative paces and maybe even silence all the whiners (Ebert) with a fresh coherent visionary science fiction story. As people continue to bash the screenwriting here it has made me reflect a little. Yes the story had problems, but those problems are concealed and are easily dismissed (by me) because the DIALOGUE is so good. Unlike the Star Wars prequels, where the story had problems (predetermination, dense, incomprehensible, ludicrous) which were made painfully obvious with dialogue that was just groaningly horrendous.
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I loved Mongol, actually dragged family to see it under the pretense that they HAD to see it, but really I just wanted to take it all in again.
the McDonald's analogy is a little strained. you could provide factual, scientific evidence to show that McDonald's was unhealthy. in this case, we're talking about entertainment, and there's no real obligation by the filmmakers other than to entertain people for the time they have their attention.and so, if that works for 99% of the people that see it, and you are in the 1%, doesn't that t least give you SOME pause before you continue ranting about how Abrams doesn't care about anything, and everyone is being duped and only you have the real truth?even for a second? -
"Even then, it's poor taste,"but that's your OPINION, not a fact. that is is not as healthy as other food, that is a FACT. you see the difference? this is exactly what I was getting at.and if you read above, or go online, it really does work for almost everyone. if a movie this big and widely reviewed is sitting at 96% on rottentomatoes, that's ridiculously high. so I did not "fail simply math", brother. and you still ignored my real question anyway, in favor of defensive dismissals and insults. very "passive-agressive nerd" of you...
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If you couldnt get a smile out of Capt Pike sat in a wheelchair at the end, then your heart is stone. But you didnt want a reboot anyway, so your not open minded. No problem. I followed ST religously from TGN onwards, and loved this reboot. Sure there were plot holes, but Batman Begins had worse ones in it and look how that turned out for the next film.
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is clearly the most enlightened film expert on this talkback. Could you kindly post a link to your IMDB page so we can rate your unparalleled work as a filmmaker?
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Now that the Vulcan race has suffered a tremendous tragedy, the exile half-brother to Spock, Sybok, can come back and instead of seeking God he can passionately seek retribution.
Think about it, Sybok would likely want the Vulcan people to become militarized, in order to be able to defend itself. He would have a legitimate argument too- but obviously he would be far more extremist than simply saying "we need to be able to defend ourselves." Basically, think of him being a NeoCon Vulcan.
As such, Sybok might try to seek a technology from another race, say the Klingons, and start an interplanetary conflict that would draw in the Enterprise and its crew. You have an instant conflict between Spock and Sybok, and you could even explore Spock's self-doubts about the philosophy of his people. And folding into that, his relationship with Uhura, which could go through a good dramatic series of stresses.
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I believe the term you're looking for is:
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My fave of the flix is prob. Undiscovered Country-even beyond Khan and the one w/ the Whales. Those I like too--but there's something about the finale of the orig. cast in that '91 movie that just works for me. Plus you get to see Bones and Spock arming a torpedo. It's fun.
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May 09, 2009 4:59:11 PM CDT
I hate to be a killjoy, but this certainly wasn't Star Trek. . .
by librerarian
If you read the Ebert review, he basically gets it right. Star Trek isn't about action. It's always been slower than that, yes, more meditative, and more about ideas. The best Trek strove to be topical and make you think. JJ's Trek probably has more in common with Michael Bay. . . the film tries to get the characters right, and there is lots of very appealing, iconic looking imagery, but there is no larger sense of purpose. Nero is the cause behind everything, and he is the worst example of a stock bad guy I've ever seen in a movie. . . he makes the original Darth Vader look multidimensional. Roddenberry himself said that Star Trek was never "about good guys versus bad guys." In the best Trek, there is no clear cut villain. . . it's more about solving a problem, or an ethical dilemma. The visuals, moments of the acting, and Beastie Boys' "Sabotage" were the only things good about this movie. Maybe the sequels will come closer to getting it right. But discerning fans, and discerning viewers, will know better.
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http://www.erlendaakre.com/2009/655/star-trek-2009-review-32-reasons-why-it-sucks.html
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That guy can play crazy with the best of them!
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Remember Nero's ship is from 178 years in the future (as Spock told Kirk on the ice planet) that's why his ship is so powerful compared to the Enterprise and that makes it 200 years ahead of the ship Kirk's dad flew.
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that freshman-level critical thinking class you took is really paying off!
Except for the 'thinking' part. You make broad , negative claims about the film, those who made it and those who enjoyed it, and expect us to buy those claims on faith. If you refuse to back up your opinions with solid facts and refuse to reveal why, or by what right/expertise you make these claims, then excuse me for playing in the 'kiddie pool', but you're not unlike the sports fan who insists that if they were in the game, they could have made the proper play. You make make it abundantly clear from your snide, non sequitur responses that not only have you never played a down in your life (metaphorically speaking), but you seem to not enjoy the game that much. -
while I don't agree with the Bay comparison, I agree this movie was much more EXCITING than traditional Star Trek films, but I think that's to be expected in a reboot. Roddenberry himself, before he passed, said in an interview that he hoped someone would refresh the series, and do it bigger, faster and more exciting. if you don't up the ante a little bit, what's the point of having more money, more effects, and a larger scope at your disposal?I would see your point more clearly if this film had been just a heartless and dizzy mess, but even with all of the action, it didn't feel soulless or like there was no consequence or thought put into it.also, you spelled "librarian" wrong...
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Coming from someone that enjoyed this movie, I completely understand where you're all coming from. While I reacted to this differently than all of you, I agree that given the amount of resources they had at their disposal, this movie should have been better-written- particularly the villain element that I think we ALL can agree was poorly executed. I actually refuse to read the COUNTDOWN comics because I'm an old-fashioned type of guy- I believe that within a 2 hr film, you should be able to explain your characters' motives without the aid of supplemental/promotional material.
Where we differ is on the bottom line- I enjoyed the Kirk/Spock rivalry. For these two type-A personalities to meet under such circumstances, it makes sense that they lock horns. And I think Kirk was a bigger asshole than normal given the death of his father in this new version. As for Spock, Quinto played him as an erradic, smoldering guy- which makes sense.
All of the actors elevated the material, and they all displayed charm. I think a lot of people voicing their dislike here have picked up on the fact that maybe that charm was relied upon too heavily for their liking. So, to that extent, I agree- but like I said, I reacted to that crutch differently. I'm happy we have a new TOS crew put together. Personally I wish they'd done this as a new TV series instead of movies. In the end, STAR TREK is a tv show, and we deserve 25 episodes a year with these characters. But Paramount wanted to revive the brand in a big way, and so they have. -
That would be my fucking dream job. How close are you to running Paramount? Hurry up and take over! I need a new job!
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then he thought "Lucas tells a good story" when he reviewed the The Phantom Menace. C'mon really? JJ's reboot was awesome. Was it perfect ... no, but it was Star Trek. Thank you JJ, Roberto, and Alex!
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allow me to summarize:the movie sucks because this sucks, that sucks, that other thing sucks, and also, this sucks. add in a bunch of grammar and spelling errors, and that's pretty much the entire blog post. there isn't much actual critical thinking.
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then he thought "Lucas tells a good story" when he reviewed the The Phantom Menace. C'mon really? JJ's reboot was awesome. Was it perfect ... no, but it was Star Trek. Thank you JJ, Roberto, and Alex!
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The "appeal to authority" argument would be me saying "Well Michael Bay liked it, and he makes hit movies, so anyone who disagrees with him can't be right!" rather than what I actually did, which was question your motives/credentials/knowledge of film/balls. A perfectly valid argument, in point of fact
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in this talkback at least, is that people that enjoyed it seem to grasp that THEY THEMSELVES ENJOYED IT.all the people with a bee in their bonnet can't seem to grasp that THEY THEMSELVES SIMPLY DID NOT ENJOY IT, they have to extrapolate that it is INHERENTLY A BAD FILM.that is the disconnect. Abrams set out to make an exciting, fun film, and judging by the majority of the responses, in that sense, he was successful.the people who are FILLED WITH IRE!!!!! about this innocuous film are Star Trek purists. and that's fine, but just fucking ADMIT IT already. you wouldn't be happy with this film unless it was 2 hours of Shatner boning aliens in a tight jumpsuit.if you don't like it because of your proprietary feelings about Star Trek, that's fine, but ADMIT IT. stop with the sanctimonious crap, pretending that the movie is horrible, and no one else can see it, and we're all sheep, and blah blah blah.Fuck. OFF! that is the most pretentious thing I have ever heard.and by the way, in case you missed it, someone predicted all of your knee-jerk reactions TO THE LETTER, before the movie even came out:
http://tinyurl.com/coxd2s
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Yeah, this whole idea of "rebooting" STAR TREK always concerned me. If I had carte blanche, I wouldn't have done an alternate timeline at all- it would have simply been a reinterpretation of the original concept, thus truly freeing the writers without taking anything away from TOS (or even come close to talking about continuity or time travel!).
And I would have paid Russell Crowe a shit-ton of money to play a mature, in-his-prime James Kirk. Have you seen MASTER AND COMMANDER? The guy is playing Kirk in that movie. And it's amazing. -
you have failed to directly answer a single question I or anyone else has posted. Just glib remarks and calling people idiots without any attempt to justify your claims As to who you are? I can only guess that you're some kind of super-genius hollywood big shot, which is why you come to AICN and anonymously criticize the work of successful filmmakers in meandering, non sequitur-laden posts that do little to elucidate what exactly you find so sucky about said film. Or you might be a fat, frustrated virgin living in your moms basement. The possibilities are endless!
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you're even going so far as to say, "in the future, people will look back and be ashamed they liked this!!"
Fuck. OFF! that is the most pretentious thing I have ever heard.and by the way, in case you missed it, someone predicted all of your knee-jerk reactions TO THE LETTER, before the movie even came out:
http://tinyurl.com/coxd2s
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me I liked it, and I want more-I am in the camp that says ANY new Trek is a good thing and what we were given was very good,certainly it was better than the last few Trek films...i can understand that some people wont find it to be their cup of tea (go back to your rooms and dvd's of the old shows,while the rest of us move on with our lives) but then that is expected-much like the inevitable backlash here-This is Star Trek for a new generation-and thankfully, it looks like there will be AT LEAST 1 more. Keep them coming Guys!!!!!
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Bravo! If any of the haters have a movie in wide release that is better then this, has made more money then this, I would love to see it! Stop hounding on the rest of us for enjoying it. You think we're sheep because we enjoy it and were entertained by it? Get off your soapbox and stop feeding us your sanctimonious load of BS. If you can make a better film, go do it. Don't be surprised if it fails at the box office. Though I do enjoy great film, generally they don't bring in the bank to build a franchise on. For TREK to live, it has to bring in the bank, plain and simple. We'll get our gems, and we can sit back and simply enjoy the rest (as long as they aren't TREK V bad)
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"That's not what you find with those who are looking at the movie in a calm, critical fashion."I agree. it's what you find with haters in this talkback.and it's filled, not illed. just making sure, because you typed it that way twice...The Onion piece was funny when I first saw it, now it's just amazing. it's almost word for word the arguments people are making. "this film is too exciting" um...ok...I made a specific point about the difference between accepting that you PERSONALLY didn't care for a film, and decrying that is is INHERENTLY bad, simply because it didn't give you what YOU wanted. the former is calm, critical thinking. the latter is sanctimonious and pretentious.it's akin to coming out of a Naked Gun movie, and going, "wow, that plot made no sense!" films have purposes, and they aren't all the same. you can hate this film because it didn't ring true to the original 40 year old property, but that's clearly not what the goals for the film were.now that I've said this 3 or 4 times, would you at least like to respond, rather than deflecting yet again?
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As much as I enjoyed this new TREK, I would rather watch any of the original movies first- including STAR TREK V. I'm just a stupid-happy TOS Trekkie. That being said, I like this new movie better than all of the TNG movies, save for FIRST CONTACT. I'm not ranking these flicks in terms of objective quality, but rather personal preference. So, stuff like DeForest Kelly's scene in STV where he tells Sybok why he euthanized his father ("To preserve his dignity")is more appealing to me than any character moment in the new movie.
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Did you like BATMAN BEGINS when you first saw it? And what did you think of THE DARK KNIGHT? Now, the rule of thumb is that sequels fail to surpass the first entry in the series.
I thought BATMAN BEGINS was good, but it didn't blow me away- and I certainly had issues with the movie (the action camera-work, Gordon driving a tank, etc.). But then something unexpected happened- TDK took the material in a new direction- and it was a better movie in my opinion.
I think the BATMAN analogy applies here because both TREK and BEGINS are origin movies. They have to do the work of setting things up. Now that we've arrived at that point, let's see how they proceed. -
I felt it was pretty essential on the first viewing but I went again and the whole thing is basically covered in the mindmeld sequence (though at such a clip a read of it still helped flesh even that sequence out). I'd give a read if you haven't - even if you just sit the bookstore and find a chair for 20 minutes. It's pretty easy to recommend to fans and is much much better done than almost any ancillary 'setup' things that have been tossed into the market in recent years.
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The difference, is if I don't like a movie, I won't insult those that DO like it. if I don't like a movie, I know it's MY opinion. If I don't like a movie, I don't feel an incessant need to call those that do sheep or stupid. Yes, i have seen bad movies, and if someone asks my opinion, I will tell them that I didn't like it. No, I am not in the movie business. I have not made a movie. I won't even propose what a movie I might make could turn into since I am not a producer or director. I am a ticket buyer, as I believe you are. I don't see a need to rip apart someone in the industry for making bad movies, the public will determine the success or failure. Yes, bad movie succeed and good movies fail, but that is not the point. The point is, don't call us stupid for enjoying a movie you don't care for. Go back to your room in your parent's basement and jerk of to the new Playboy you picked up yesterday. My son wants to watch a movie, so I'm going to go watch "Holy Grail" with him. Enjoy your bile infested and spite driven life. I rather enjoy being entertained.
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genrefanboy makes some good points about the movie i thought. Anyone under 30 will probably love it..there was a kid of about 7 behind me in the cinema who claerly loved it and didnt have a clue who Nimoy was! but hey if he enjoyed it- so be it. I didnt think it was bad at all,just not the shit hot warp core of a movie Harry does..still think cho and quinto were fuckin useless in the movie..quinto may look like nimoy but doesnt have half the screen prescence of the great man. Only Pine and Urban and Bruce Greenwood come out of this smelling of Roses and i'd pay to see them again. I agree with genrefan boy about ILM's fx which were nearly as useless as star trek 5 were!..too many quick cuts and the CGI was'nt much better than that of the recent TV shows. The people who will love this mainly are those who werent keen or were only casual viewers of the original trek..everyone else will either hate it or just think its ok.
What paramount should have done is just make a new trek film with a new crew and set it in the 25th century about a 100 yrs from the next gen era,creatinga whole new scenario and a perfect jumping off point for any future movies or tv shows..did they really need to go back though? Also is pine,quinto and co gonna commit their lives to trek and make a gazillion movies and shows like the others did..wer no..thats why after 3 films in this series it will be quickly forgotton about where as the original will always remain fondly with the fans. It has lived long and it sure has prospered butfor how long with this crew? -
May 09, 2009 6:01:45 PM CDT
I'm stepping out for an hr, but I'm definitely coming back
by yackbacker
This is a great conversation that I want to continue in a bit. Listen, you're all professionals, even if you are at each other's throats. Bale Bless.
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what are you talking about?and you can't be "illed" by or with anything...and what should that joke even mean?oy, my brain hurts from trying to decipher this stuff. I think I'm gonna have to bow out of this talkback. I never knew Trek nerds were so illogical...how ironic!
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of The Crystal Spock
Nero (The DVDRom burning company not a ghey ROmulan) has hidden the Crystal Spock, which is said to be the Nerdiest and most fucking valuable of Side Show Collectables, seeing as how it is fashioned from genuine DILITHIUM CRYSTALS (according to sideshow all rights reserved ™ etc).
Jar Jar Binks' retard cousin "Cousin Dicknose JJ", or as he's known in the film world, Jar Jar Abrams..... has been sent on an epic quest to find The Crystal Spock, because Lord Bale sayeth so (Bale is the villian/hero in this film).
Bale needs the Spock to tap into the "Film Matrix", which is the virtual world that all Jews in Hollywood (no offense guys) can "jack in " to, and they visit the ORACLE for advice on what hollywood should make next.
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"She cannae take it, captain."This movie was breezy and enjoyable, but VERY flawed, and certainly not worthy of AICN's JJ dick sucking marathon. I really need not point out those flaws, because others have done a good job of it - Nero was a weak villain, too many coincidences, anti-climactic ending, and fuck me - can directors PULL BACK THE CAMERA PLEASE when it comes to action scenes (it just looked like a jumble of space debris at times). I'm glad I'm not a hard core Trekkie because you bitches with your constant pro and con bickering would sicken me to it anyway, much like fanboy fuckheads ruined Star Wars (much more than Lucas ever did). Just get decent writers in next time (the cast interplay was actually good) - those transformers writers can disappear into a black hole like in the movie, fuck them - and get someone who can direct space battles where you can actually tell what the flying fucking hell is going on.Thumbs up for the green-tittied alien and inter-species sex, though, JJ - as Eddie Murphy said in Delirious "You gotta be a horny motherfucker to fuck a green bitch. If the bitch is green, there's something wrong.". Kirk is a pimp. And thumbs up for Zoe Saldana - soon to be seen as a blue-tittied alien in Avatar: the only film that matters.
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I was a little disappointed by this new Trek. Not that it wasn't good or entertaining, just not extraordinary or inspiring. I felt as if it really added nothing new to the series so why should it be made. J.J. Abrams is probably one of only a few directors in Hollywood who could make any movie he wanted so why not do something new and original instead of something so familiar. I'm sure Trek will make millions and re-launch the series but at what cost? J.J. will now go on to direct at least one or two sequels, occupying years of his life and perhaps become the next Bryan Singer. You remember that guy who directed the brilliant, "The Usual Suspects," don't you. He then made three comic book movies in a row and practically killed the Superman franchise. I just hate to see such creative minds in Hollywood be absolutely seduced by the bottom line $$$$. When that happens, we get this year's crop of summer movies. Remakes, sequels, prequels and reboots. Originality? I don't see any.
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you sure put a lot of energy in it you fool...
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Bale has to enter the "Jewtrix" with the help of J J's Jew dicknose, which acts like a key. Bale's midichlorian count is high (please don't confuse this with BSG's midochlorian eve, diferent story there lol).
Bale finds the Crystal SPock, and jacks out of the Jewtrix, logging out and into the real world.
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Bale discovered many more reboots and sequels, and he sends a Dragon to kill all the hollywood scum bags.....where am I going with this........................................ BURGER KING KLINGONS.
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No way would you see someone beaming from a planet's surface onto a starship that is already in high warp on any previous Star Trek incarnation, whether produced by Berman, Bragga, Justman, Bennett, etc.......they couldn't do that even in the 24th Century. I just watched the Enterprise episode where the man who invented the transporter said that such technology was 1,000 years away. I liked this movie, and I can overlook its small number of flaws.......but that to me was the equivalent of the invisible car in Die Another Die........just not plausible, even for Star Trek.......Otherwise, I loved the movie, even if it was shallow compared to the other movies (no ethical dilemmas, messages, deep themes, etc.)
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After posting on AICn, I feel I could now right a trek movie of equal calibur, seeing as how no actual credentials are required, and I say this without even seeing the movie, because thats what FANBOIS DO LOL.
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Not perfect, but what is? The logic jumps on "OMG U GUISE THIS MUST BE TIME TRAVEL" were weak and Nero didn't get enough development, but otherwise it is easily third best behind TWOK and TUC and very good. Great revival of a franchise. FUN FAX: Geordi LaForge built Spock's "Jellyfish" ship.
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May 09, 2009 6:14:50 PM CDT
The Phantom Menace is a better film. And its more epic.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I will have so much more respect for you people once you admit that. Give it a few years....once this shit is totally forgotten, you'll see....
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Why wouldn't Kirk listen to "oldies?" The Shat's Kirk also loved old Earth relics.
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-Uhhh did I ever say ALL of Trek is good? Did I ever even say this was the WORST of Star Trek – no I did not.
What I DID say is that this movie was dreck- and it was.
You point that there was once other Dreck does not logically translate into this being a “good” let alone “great” movie anymore than Revenge of the Sith is magically a great movie just because Phantom menace exists. This movie was not a good reboot and not a good movie…sorry.
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Let it go.
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Is that guy banned? I've not yet read that he would have preferred a STARGATE reboot/re-imageing with a younger O'Neill because some Goaul'd journeyed through the gate back in time like 1969...? Not to wake a sleeping tiger anyway...
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Thanks – I wish I had a different view- I wanted this to be good….sadly it just wasn’t…at all
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It was really a metaphor for Vagina Doctors (the guys with the stir-ups), and their daily venturing into unexplored wet rings, or as they're seen on the show, STARGATES.
Throw in a feminist who's complaining that her vagina is holding her back, WHILE SHE EXPLORES VAGINAS, well that's layered drama if i've ever seen it.
Stargate ran a long time like most medical dramas do, and I think the Ori really represented the Health Care system accurately.
There were plenty of surgerys for the ER junkies to watch (various symbitoe nonsense crap) but the trveling through those wet rings (they woosh water and fluid and everything) you can really see it's an allegory to yeast infections.
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May 09, 2009 6:27:14 PM CDT
I guarantee in a few years it shall be said.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
TPM is better than J.J. Trek. And I was one of the guys in full support telling everyone around here to chill the fuck out and give it a chance. Sadly I made this exact mistake with Indy IV last year.
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And this bile-filled, hater thread has inspired me to do something I could never do with TPM. Go back and see it a 2nd and 3rd time, at least.
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And this bile-filled, hater thread has inspired me to do something I could never do with TPM. Go back and see it a 2nd and 3rd time, at least.
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As for Star Trek? It's also a great, great film (except for the storyline, the actors, the cinematography, the pacing, the music, the production design, the Beastie Boys, the canon-wide revisionism, the rip-offs and the Willy Wonka scene)
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He remade the first star wars movie with star trek characters. You had the planet destroying "death star", the Romular "Darth Vader" killing the hero's father and even an ewok/jawa hybrid non talking "cute" alien. It could have been a GREAT star trek movie if they did not try to reimagine the original characters and the whole plot was idiotic. How many times has Spock traveled back in time to fix crap but wouldnt do it after his home planet and 99% of all Vulcans destroyed? They dumbed it down and made "star trek for dummies", isnt that what star wars was for?
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Christ, didn't SEX IN THE CITY do that type of Box Office?
Settle down, dweebs. This one'll drop just as quickly as every other cookie-cutter modern action flick. And, it didn't even start as high as some.
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Couldn't read through this whole thing, so maybe somebody already said it, but why didn't Nero simply travel to Romulus and tell them all the EXACT DATE THEIR SUN WAS GONNA BLOW UP? Heck with all that advanced tech he had, the Romulans coulda taken over the freakin universe.
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Haven't had time to steal it yet, and I won't put penny one into Bobs pocket until I review it at home first. But I want some "Professional" opinions....and you know who you are. Is this a major failure not worth my time and money...or just a breezy popcorn movie I might get laugh out of...cuz I've already concluded from what I've seen here it sure isn't Roddenberry quality Trek. Which is not surprising considering who is behind this thing.
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starring nathan fillion as Han Solo
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First off great defense of your position. I make a point and you change the subject to Waterboarding. Is that how you debate?
Second off, Water boarding isn’t torture. Unless by your standards, we torture our own troops who are quite often waterboarded during training. If so where are the prosecutions of every military officer who allows troops to be tortured during training? Note to you actual TORTURE is horrific. Under our rules, I would allow myself to be waterboarded for a nice chunk of cash without second thought and I bet so would you. Neither of us, however, would for any amount of money likely volunteer to enter the interrogation chambers of Saddam, the North Vietnamese, the WWII Germans or Japanese or any of many countries that ACTUALLY DO TORTURE
Finally you are a hypocrite and a mental midget unless you right now Decry what must be in your world Obama’s war crimes- he orders missile strikes on terrorist homes even though he at times will KILL AND MAIM women and children with these strikes-or to you does that seem better than dumping water on the face of a guy actually planning to kill thousands? Cause if so, you’re an idiot.
) Oh and by the way, lets hear it- were Truman and FDR war criminals for what they did in WWII? Cause it was a LOT worse than waterboarding (or as we should call it “underwater contingency planning” so liberals can feel better about it). Come on genius answer- I DARE YOU.
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felt like a great old fasioned space adventure movie. sure it had some convinient events and was a bit heavy on the exposition, but fuck it was a blast! the newbies did a great job, especially Karl Urban. worth the ticket.
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If I were to give this a catch phrase to discribe the difference here I'd say " More real ". This movie made me love Star Trek all over again! Yes there were times the science was a little weak but no more than say the " Sling shot effect " in the old series. If you can forgive that you can forgive the little slips in this movie. I was almost moved to tears at the beginning scene with Kirk's father. The FX were fantastic! I'm sorry but I really disagree with the naysayers. I've been a ST fan since I was 13. I've watched since that first thursday night in 1966. This was Star Trek. Pine avoids doing Shatner except for a little wink at the end. A really good movie that I'm going to see again and again. And all the nit pickers either don't understand what makes ST what it is or they're just full of shit. Sorry but that's just the way it is. Oh! And Oh yes! It'll make a lot of money so we can boldly go to see this universe again! Star Trek's back!
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture was made by committee in a series of screaming rows between Gene Roddenberry, Robert Wise and Harold Livingston. Roddenberry dusted off and recycled an old "Star Trek Phase II" TV movie script re-using the "nudist sex-fiend alien girl" character of Ilia (the bald chick) that he later grafted onto Counselor Troi. The plot was mangled and twisted by all three creative types and no one was fully happy with it, with rewrites happening on the set everyday. It was NOT an example of "creative minds coming together in greatness." Furthermore, take a look at Roddenberry's scripts for Phase II and TNG Season 1. He felt Trek should be devoid of conflict or visceral humanity, even though his best work on TOS was not. He could be a brilliant idea man, but often in later years his ideas were increasingly sexist, buffoonish or out of touch (see: "Angel One," "Justice," "Encounter At Farpoint," "The Naked Now"). ITA with Jon Frakes that Season 1 took more risks conceptually than much of later Berman/Braga TNG, but a wholly Roddenberry TNG would not have lasted beyond Season 2, and the movie franchise would not have become a juggernaut if Nick Meyer and Harve Bennett had not ripped the franchise away from Gene with him bitching and screaming all the way. There is a reason TWOK saved the franchise, and there are very few BIG IDEAS in TWOK - just good characters, solid writing, suspense and action. I don't think NuST is as good as TWOK, but it's definitely a great jump start and a good start, period. And the first 20 mins are near perfect - I just loved it, end of line. I do think they should "explore" more in the next movie - every Trek film in the last 5-10 years has tried to "go back to TWOK" for a big villain and hi-octane action, and Trek should try something different again by going for a big IDEA and action.
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George Kirk, multitasking for his wife's delivery AND noble suicide: Extremely professional. Uhura, delegating tasks while easing Spock's rodney: Very professional. Scotty's little Reman(?) friend, for getting that tiny Starfleet uniform over his weird head: Quite professional. Amanda Grayson, for standing on the wrong ledge: Totally unfuckingprofessional.
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you've lost the ability to enjoy movies. granted, i hate on shit like Transformers or GI Joe all day. movies that dont even try to be good. but if, to you, this movie somehow has more flaws than the best of old Star Wars/Trek movies, then you are too old and need to move on. You truly are taking up too much space on the planet.
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Transformers is amazing compared to this trash. It's not even worth the bandwidth to steal!!
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About your plot hole. Well as they said again and again in this movie it's an alternate timeline now and things are unpredictable. Also the Romulans would have considered him a criminal. They probably would have taken his ship and had him executed. Plus this guy was bent on revenge. Not the type that would help anyone.
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First off, don't worry: there are no spoilers in the following: I remember seeing the original series when I was a kid. I've enjoyed the many successes and cringed at the many disappointments that make up the history of Star Trek in movies and television. I have worked with jaded and refreshing professionals in radio, television, film, and the internet.
When I first heard of the premise of this new Star Trek, I was hopeful, but justifiably skeptical. So much so that I was actually predispositioned to dis-like it, and fully ready to be disappointed. I went to see it this afternoon. This movie is the very best Star Trek movie made, and the equal or better of any Star Trek on the small screen. It is supremely satisfying on so many levels, from the story, the casting,(one of things I was very worried about going in) the score, the visuals - everything. Some scenes epitomized the beauty of some of the cover art of the the early TOS episode novelizations. By the time the opening title came up, I knew I was in for something profoundly special. And I was not disappointed. This was not only the most satisfying Star Trek movie I have ever seen, it is also one of the best movie experiences I have ever been to. (And I've been lucky to have seen a lot over the years.)
The one thought that came to me about this approach to Star Trek is: It's about time. Thanks to everyone involved in this production. I'm going to see this again in the theaters, at least once more, and probably more than that. Anyone who is waiting to see this at home is going to be kicking themselves for having missed seeing this on the big screen. -
Just saw JJ’s version of Star Trek & it was not good. Casting was ok, effects were ok & yet the jerky camera style and fast cutting just show that who ever shot this mediocre mess had no faith in their directing abilities. Moving from the high tech sets to what looked like the insides of boiler rooms from a large hotel were ridiculous. I just can’t stand the new style of camera work, can’t watch it any more. The story and the lack of understanding of the main characters just ruined the whole thing for me. Stupid, stupid story. The whole jump-start in an alternate universe was just plain annoying. It is unfortunate that this is making money, as it will set the whole series off on a silly tangent. When was Kirk a wise ass wimp who gets his butt kicked every time he gets into a fight? I was actually bored through most of this crap, it lacked any sort of true humanity, just cardboard cut out characters. Silly stupid mess, but what would you expect from JJ and hollywood. The worst startrek movie ever. Really.
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" Transformers is amazing compared to this trash. " Now there's the real reason for all this repeat posting. LOL!
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Why exactly would his fellow Romulans consider him a criminal? And i understand 'bent on revenge' but he had the power to save his wife and his entire planet... Which was what he was pissed about. Don't you think he could have persuaded the Romulans he was from the future?
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You're right on the warp away. But there were so many other plot contrivances that it boggles the mind. (Such as Kirk meeting Spock on a barren planet, just as the bigger fish…er …creature was about to get him, transporting into a warping ship light years away etc.
I maintain the timeline would be completely changed. Forget the nuanced changes that would have a large effect over time such as Kirks outlook, influences, and personal actions being different with a dead father and characters event-flow being changed as time-wise they would be in different places due to new events (that is a realistic interpretation we can let sci-fi off the hook for)....What would really have massive effect is the entire balance of power in later years would be altered with the Vulcan race essentially eliminated- that would create entirely different actions and chess games by the 3 powers left- Starfleet, the Klingon’s and Romulans. Not that this nuanced timeline stuff made me hate the movie-it just didn’t help.
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Ok whatever how about.
Armageddon was incredible compared to this trash.
Star Trek Nemesis was more enjoyable than this trash.
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" Why exactly would his fellow Romulans consider him a criminal? "
As Nero said in the movie " We stand alone from the Empire ". He stole a ship and is doing things to another govenrment without their consent. They'd probably say " Fuck it " kill him and take his advanced technology. -
Review from Jan Brady.
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yep. you know its true. and yes i am a Trek fan. no i never dressed up in uniforms. But this was pretty much everything i thought Trek could be. I'll be happy to take this new reboot, the rest of you can cry about the good ole days. You are officially irrelevent.
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What's the point? You've already lost. The movie's doing quite well!
But go ahead and say what you will. It won't change anything. ST has a bright future ahead! Boy this site has bandwidth problems. Probably because of all the attention to this talkback. What a great film! -
suck it losers. i wasnt an Abrams fan before today.
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OK, i missed the part where he stole a ship, was that in the comic book prequel thingie? i thought that was his mining ship. And couldn't he take on any Romulans trying to kill him as easily as he handled the Federation ships? I'm really trying to like this movie, but too much of it just doesn't make sense. For that matter, Spock could travel back in time and warn the Vulcans about the Nero's death star mining ship.
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but what is really. Great acting, FX, and I liked the score as well minus the Beastie Boys, which seemed really out of place. To me it felt like a great reboot of the franchise but it feels a lot more like the original television series than the rest of the star trek universe. If you look at all the movies after WoK they all have similar look and feel. This is much brighter and upbeat it was kind of startling at first. (Seeing metal pipes in engineering!) But the characters were spot on, loved Urban as McCoy who was always one of my favorite characters. I thought Pine did of good job of capturing Kirk, although it is a decidedly different take on a pretty achitypical figure. All in all it felt like an updated 60's scifi show but in a good way.
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First good summer movie. Go see it.
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Just watched it tonight - I love the casting and colorful direction, but it is clearly bad writing in my eyes and ears. Sad but it could be a truly iconic start, but i got to much boring and (silly) cliche times that take away from the great way of "humanity" for a new generation.
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Shitty, contrived writing...a lame villain...a director whose idea of being a visionary is aiming bright lights at the camera lens...product placements that defy all manner of taste and logic...and close ups, close ups and more close ups of close ups. It wasn't boring, I'll give it that, but I need more from a movie than being jerked off for two hours. Too bad those two hacks are already writing the sequel. They have a good cast so it might of had a chance of being something. Oh, well.
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We get it, you totally and completely HATED this movie, really, we get it. I am just so so so tired of haters trying to make everyone else feel like they are morons if they enjoyed this film. I am tired of condescending remarks disguised as compliments. I have said it before and I will say it, yet again. ALL entertainment is subjective, not everyone is gonna like something, not everyone is gonna hate something, and we all have different reasons for why we love or hate something. But good fucking god, PLEASE stop talking down to those who did enjoy this movie. No one person's opinion is any better or more meaningful than anyone else's, they are simply our own opinions and we are ALL (yes, haters to LOL) entitled to them, just as we are entitled to enjoy things without others trying to dampen that with biting hatred. I respect most opinions, but I start to lose respect for opinions that are forced down my throat, that are said to make others feel inferior somehow. Thank you, have a nice day. LOL.
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stupid execs and their refusal to go all out bloody and make a real Star Trek. How awesome would it be if Kirk were played by a angry, foul mouthed Russell Crowe, and Uhura got naked a few times? And Spock's neck pinch only knocks out people? WTF? you know it would decapitate people if not for the toys to sell to kids. You pussies! This isnt real Trek. You cant tell a good story in a PG13 movie.
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One of the top 8 Star Trek movies is about the best I can say about it. Casting wasnt bad, but just because you have 50 monkeys, doesnt mean you should get them typewriters and have them do the script for you.
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the very same flaws in the other Trek series and even the original Star Wars movies. plotholes? convenient events? bad science? have you ever watched a Star Trek show? this movie is now my official litmus test to seperate film critics from fanboy douchebags. Havent had that much fun at a space movie since Serenity, and before that who knows how long.
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i wasnt expecting a star trek movie to leave me slack jawed, i had never really seen any star trek movie, the closest thing that even came close to me watching was "galaxy quest"
i enjoyed the film and am planning to go back and see it again. It was also fun to mess with the other movie goers seeing as the movie started at 9:30 and wolverine started at 9:25, so i walked up and asked, "is this the line for the new x men movie?" i thought i was going to get mauled...
One last thought, when scotty states "it never occured to him to think of space as what is moving." I thought of futurama's farnsworth when he said "due to the ships engines the ship stays still, it just pushes space around it." maybe that was just me though--- -
...but the one that it does have is simple, elegant and effective-- the Genesis Device. It's a great metaphor for how the good intentions of science can easily be perverted for millitary use. It's a cool philosophical construct-- destruction out of creation, death out of life. It's also tied into the plot in very key ways-- in searching for a lifeless planet to test the device, the Federation stumbles on Khan, and Genesis itself becomes a bargaining chip.
TWOK is a great example of how "Trek" can be adapted to suit the tastes of mainstream audiences without sacrificing its essential characteristics. This new movie, sadly, is not. It feels like JJ forgot what the best action moments in "Trek" already were-- Horatio Hornblower in space. They should've looked at "Master and Commander" for how to reboot the series, not "Star Wars" and the Bourne movies. -
Wing Commander"
IMDB Star Trek rating: 8.6
IMDB Wing Commander rating: 3.7
That's no longer a matter of opinion. You are wrong.
That someone could hate something so much as to not see even one redeeming feature, is a very sad indication of your state of mind. You have descended into hysterical, psychotic hate simply for the sake of it.
Your endless trolling of this talkback demonstrates this perfectly. There are plenty of movies I don't like, but do I spend 72 hours continuously ranting in their talkbacks? Fuck no. That would be... crazy.
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I like Star Trek, can't say I'm a huge Trekker or anything, but like Star Wars, Trek is also part of my childhood. So anyway, I knew I was gonna like it when I was watching Kirk be born and I started tearing up. The new actor playing Kirk wasn't exactly doing it for me until the scene with the Kobiashi maroo. It's like he became Shatner's Kirk at that moment. From then on I accepted him as young Kirk. Bones was Bones! Spock felt right. The rest of the cast was also good. The Enterprise was as sexy as ever. I was a little surprised how big Nimoy's role was, but it was welcomed. This Spock acted just like the Spock from that Next Generation episode he appeared on. It also reminded me of Scotty meeting the Next Generation crew. An old cast member out of place. The Villian was ok. It was funny when he screamed, Spock!!! Mocking the famous Kahn!!! line. The music was ok, I just think we needed more variety in the score. It's not like STII Where Kahn gets his own music and Spock's death has it's own music. See what I'm saying. They just kept hitting you over the head with that same theme. Oh and the credits were awesome. That's the first time I ever heard the Star Trek TV theme done as a modern style movie score with a full blown orchestra. Very nice. I want the OST just for that track alone. One last thing, ok a new time line was started right? But doesn't young Spock now known what mistakes he'll make in 139 years and just not make the same mistake and restore the original timeline we all grew up with?.
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Big Robots Hitting Each Other Yet Again is gonna rock. And I think Sith was a better movie too than Trek Jr. here. But I really enjoyed this one anyways, and I think youse guys should just fuckin' lighten up and allow yerselves to enjoy it, too.
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May 09, 2009 8:13:11 PM CDT
whiners who cant deal with the timeline change are the worst
by bmacsmith
seriously? are you fucking retarded or OCD? if your tiny ape brain cant tolerate a new timeline (and in that case how are you a Trek fan?), how does this destroy your old shows? they are still there. you can ignore this one if you want. Unless you are OCD. i always considered Trek to have infinite timelines, this is just another one. no reason to cry about it. if you are expecting some kind of endless continuation of an increasingly narrowing narrative, you are delusional. With all the bullshit unchangeable canon that has been built up over the years, there is no way you can keep coming up with new stuff in that rigid atmosphere. i for one respect the fact that they tied this movie into the existing series while starting anew. good job.
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Had some screw up with the timeline with the obligatory cameo of Spock. Then they should have rebooted the Menagerie. This time Kirk and Spock could have been competing for the role of Number One. The Talosian mindbenders could have brought out a lot of the inner problems of Spock's dual identity and Kirk's ego, etc. It would have been a nod to the pilot that started the whole thing and at the same time meaningfully point to this new start.
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No one had done that yet it amazes me.
What a great day. I enjoyed the new Star Trek and its officially rebooted meaning not only does the universe of Star Trek exist in reality its also been officially negated in the fantasy realm. This means that Star Trek will have to be viewed as just a show which at its best reflected morality and philosophy and its worst pretentious crap.
I don't believe for a second that the negative reviews are from people who think its cool to hate it but people whose large part of their identity has been removed and they are fighting back. You honestly believe deep down JJ took something from you and you may be right.
The movie was a fun. A lot better then it deserved to be but gets a bump because, brace yourselves nerds, most of Star Trek is boring and we braced ourselves for the worst.
Also for the people who think word of mouth will kill this movie its getting amazing reviews, a lot more people like it then you think and what's going to be it next week? Angels and Demons? This thing is staying in first until Terminator.
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Dude, that shit about Amanda Grayson and Scotty's gremlin killed me.
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A good friend of mine said something similar to me as well after he saw the movie. In fact, his email says the following: "The characters were incredibly shallow, their depth based only on stuff we know about their future lives (or what was to be their future lives). And perhaps more importantly, there wasn't a serious second in the film. It was a cartoon."
Now, I disagreed with him about there not being a serious second in the movie, but he identifies a problem that you touch on as well- these new incarnations need to convey the same quality of character, or "gentlemanly" nature that the original gang possessed. I think these actors are up to the task. The question is will the script give them that chance to shine? This is an important issue for the next movie. Bob Orci, get on this one. -
You make some very good points. However, the canon you spoke of has so many holes and contradictions that it makes more sense to create a new one than to navigate the mine field of the old one. Which has been stepped on/ignored so many times already in just about every movie and series.
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no way the hardest of hardcore rekkies will accept a new Trek. After theyve built their identities around a show that is now over (but not really, just in their minds), they cant accept such a drastic change. most of the complaints i've heard on here could have been made at any other great scifi space movie, but its conveniently ignored because they are blind to it.
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...sorry, I had to repeat that awesome subject line.
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Yep... a LOT of money on the screen... Would have been nice if they'd spent more on editing and real uniforms instead of the pajamas that were an embarrassment.
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You were unable to address my specific points about TMP and the other films, and only responded with more insults. Your argument is not sound, you are unable to compare and contrast, and you FAIL. You are the human equivalent of the Kobayashi Maru. Furthermore, if you cannot spell "crucify," "genius," "assclown" "picture" or even "door," do not enter the argument.
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May 09, 2009 8:38:14 PM CDT
Re:TWOK and Genesis, it was not a Big Idea, it was a McGuffin
by reflecto
The writers have admitted that.
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I have to change my pants now!
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Wrong! Both of you guys are wrong. Pacing was fine. No need to "slow" down. Slowing down is boring. One thing that bugged me about the film was the "shaky" cam. I hate that shit. Keep the camera still. Who ever invented that technique should be beamed to Vulcan while it's being consumed by a black hole.
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Wrong! Both of you guys are wrong. Pacing was fine. No need to "slow" down. Slowing down is boring. One thing that bugged me about the film was the "shaky" cam. I hate that shit. Keep the camera still. Who ever invented that technique should be beamed to Vulcan while it's being consumed by a black hole.
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Some of you should've checked your brains before watching it! This is not your father's Star Trek! Forget everything you know! You'll live longer!
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I bet he hates it. So unprofessional.
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He said, "This *is* your father's Star Trek."
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Nero is enroute to destroy Earth and you want them to ........... SLOW DOWN?
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I agree with you in general about shakey cam. And the over use of lens flaring. However, neither technique bothered me in this, even though I had expected them to bother me from what I had read.
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and how does Nero think that by doing away with the Federation will stop a supernova?? the supernova is on its own timeline and not a Federation weapon. i noticed this 2nd viewing but when watching it, its still a blast..much better than PHANTOM danny and will hold up waaay longer. PHANTOM had like two scenes that were good...come to think of it--the whole fucking film is filler. Lucas himself has said so. he needed a trilogy and basically wanted more cash from toys. not so with TREK.
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That movie suuuuuuuckeed! I was 10 and remember 10 minute shots of travelling down a vortex and falling asleep. That was an hourlong episode stretched into 2 plus hours. The Wrath of Khan was an apology for that movie, remember? Anyone who defends that probably thought Phantom Menace had it's redeeming moments too. I like to stay awake during a movie.. and that first Star Trek, Phantom Menace, and Crystal Skull had me happily napping and dreaming about better uses of $10.
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In some of the old episodes, Uhura would be singing, and she would be practically fondling Spock.
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i was thinking "who the fuck is this guy? oh wait. now i get it." heheh. pretty funny, if blatant, nod to the show. thank god they didnt keep winking at the camera, but just this once, and its cool
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And so was his sperm.
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i was like, "you just killed yourself buddy"
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Sorry. Pure cinematic pap. The Enterprise is deformed, the characters are imitations, the secondary hull is an indoor water park, and the plot is so full of holes it's no wonder singularities are opening everywhere:
Spock Prime, in the mindmeld infodump, says the original supernova would destroy the universe. If supernovae destroyed universes, our universe would not exist.
Red matter? WTF. I thought it would kill Visitors but that would make too much sense. If a teensy amount causes a black hole, why does Spock have such a buttload of it? Why was saving the universe a mission for one elderly Vulcan?
A Starfleet vessel would not maroon an unruly crew member, unless their eyes were turning silver. It was practically a death sentence at the fangs of the Wampa II and Planet Core Spider. Do they not have a BRIG? I know they have a transporter to at least beam Kirk directly into the outpost. Why did Spock Prime stay in his cave making s'mores, instead of hiking to the outpost before Kirk's serendipitous arrival?
Why does engineering have waterslides labeled "inert reactant" (an oxymoron) and hydroelectric turbines?
"Transwarp beaming" allows transport from Delta Vega to an arbitrarily distant Enterprise umpteen lightyears away, traveling at warp speed. How can a magic formula give Spock Prime the precise target coordinates? Y'all realize this beaming ability obviates the need for interstellar ships? One can beam from anywhere in the universe to anywhere in the universe. It makes one long for the believability of the Nemesis wearable transporter.
Why is any mining ship so well-armed? The Narada's interior of criss-crossing catwalks is silly. Why did Nero destroy scores of Klingon ships? What did he have against them? Again, how does a miner get so much ammo? How did Nero know Spock would arrive 25 years later? Why not 250 years, or never? Why drill? Why not drop the stuff into a nearby gas giant or sun? Why would Nero's crew follow on his mad quest? As long as they're back in time, why not collapse the offending future supernova and prevent the disaster, rather than seeking revenge for a non-malicious failure which hasn't even happened yet? The paradoxes are endless.
The gimmick of exploding ejected warp cores has been done to death, and is nonsense here. An undirected, non-space warping explosion could not blast the ship away better than the directed power of her warp engines, at least not without vaporizing said ship.
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Oooooh... you must be overdosing on HaterFlakes and Hater Tots.
You assumed way too much from my post. And completely missed the sarcasm of my opening line.I know more about the budget of ST:TMP than you think I do. But it doesn't matter. You get your self-worth from pissing on other people. It's far easier to tear down than to create. BTW, Mr. Asimov just called from beyond the veil. He wants you to stop using his name. He's embarrassed by you and for you. -
You're trying to argue science in a genre that has time travel, space battles, transporters, and aliens. Are you fucking retarded? You're trying to talk implausibilities in a universe where green bitches and guys with pointy ears exist? You need to put everything in perspective, and perhaps one day you'll find a girlfriend who's first name doesn't start with "Mom." Jesus!
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and i am a HUGE hater of shaky cam. i cant watch the Bourne sequels because of that shit. i noticed the camera wobbled a lot on the drill thingy, but it made sense to me since it was so unstable.
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Sweet movie - I was entertained - make another one JJ!
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all things being equal id rather watch Star Trek in Philadelphia than Phantom Menace
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I really enjoyed this film. I've never been much of a STAR TREK fan, though I do enjoy some of the movies, but this took things to an epic scale I never thought possible. The cast was excellent and the special effects were terrific. My only complaint is that the villain was too weak (his ship was more menacing than he was) and his whole revenge plot was somewhat silly, but overall I thought this was an excellent way to re-energize the series.
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1 hour of people staring at the bridge screen pretending to see shit is not good storytelling. And yeah, it wouldn't hurt if the bald chick got naked and V'Ger blew some shit up once in awhile. But c'mon, the movie was dead storywise and action wise.
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you are definitely someone i never want to see a movie with. You're THAT guy. You should write a book detailing the faulty science of Star Trek and stay home.
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if i had one complaint it would be the generic Trek villian ive seen a million times. Bana did his best with what he had. What i want in the sequel is a truly badass scar Klingon. and make him Worf's great granddad.
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As soon as I saw him, I leaned over to my wife and said "This guy is toast". I just didn't think that would happen literaly.
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It wasn't supposed to be an action movie- it was a honest-to-Bale science fiction story. And as many of you know, science fiction is not space opera, which STAR TREK became starting with TWOK.
But there was a lot of science fiction in the original TV series (and later on in TNG mostly). STAR TREK was essentially an anthology television show with self-contained science fiction stories. Now, it's a franchise- and it's a brand, etc.
But for anyone that rags on TMP as being crap, etc. doesn't know their TREK. You may not like TMP, you may even hate it, but to be honest, TMP is the most authentic of the TREK movies to Roddenberry's original vision. I personally love it, but that's my opinion. -
OK. I always start by saying, I don't know why I come in here. That said I love AICN. On board since the beginning. I can not however EVER understand some folks taste. I loved this movie! When some in talk back state "it's not perfect" very little is but this endeavors to come very close indeed. I always come back to pity and feeling sorry for the emotional inner turmoil those who are so critical can not enjoy anything. WOW!
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basically ever studio after SW debuted wanted a piece of the action. Paramount had a surefire hit with TREK and after years, FINALLY listened to their fans...hence the film and not STAR TREK phase II. it made money only because fans were salivating for ANY trek. in a way, this is what happened here, we were hungry for any good trek, not having seen a good trek since..oh, 1996?
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Mucho!
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Still, what bugged me was this: the move NEVER, EVER explained how McCoy and Kirk exchanged eye color!
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Brilliant work.
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But you have to admit it has boring parts. Mainly anythng to do with Aaron-Eckhardt-Looking-Guy and the bald chick. I found the concept of V'ger fascinating.
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But that was a different time. I accept New Trek. It's fun!
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I'm a 50 year old American who grew up with Star Trek. I saw the movie today, and must confess I enjoyed it; however-
1. Nero's time travel in no way explains any of the differences between the appearance of the Original Series Enterprise and the movie Enterprise. After the first battle with the Kelvin, Nero had no impact on the movie universe timeline at all until Kirk, et al, are at the Academy. The old version of Spock SHOULD HAVE REMEMBERED the way the Enterprise looked during his original service with Captains Pike and Kirk. This is never explained.
2. What in hell happened to the first captain of the Enterprise, Robert April?
3. Weren't Montgomery Scott and Leonard McCoy supposed to be about 10 years older than Kirk?
4. Since when was Kirk's father a starship officer?
5. More importantly- do you realize that our whole history of the Trek universe has just been voided? That there was never a Tholian Web? That there was never a city on the edge of forever? Or a fight between Kirk and a Gorn on a desert planet? That there never was, or now can be, a man-to-man battle between Kirk and Spock on Vulcan for the hand of T'Pring? There was never any wrath of Khan, or any search for Spock? All of these beloved events are now anulled-they never occured! Just like the whole season of Dallas that turned out to be a dream. I know all this is, in the final analysis, imaginary anyway, but I can's help feeling sad that the whole, elaborately-constructed Trek universe has just been rendered void. -
Sci-fi is BACK, baby!!!
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Your professionalism is appreciated.
Look, I understand why people think it's boring. I personally love every second of it- but that's my taste and it also explains why I love ANYTHING with the original cast. I don't hate TOS- I can't! I know when it screws up, but I'm STAR TREK's Rihanna. -
I noticed all the guys in the audience craning their necks.
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this was Spock's movie, and I'm glad he finally got his due, without the Shat getting in the way. Nimoy, whether he wants to be or not, is the face of Star Trek, and i thought it was a pretty cool way to end one story while starting another.
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this is what bugs me. the other history of Trek hasnt been voided at all. its still there. still going on its merry way. This is just a new timeline, just like all the other timelines in Star Trek. no need to be depressed. its bound to happen sooner or later. you cant just keep writing more stories that are more and more bogged down by canon. stories need to have endings (though like i said, it hasnt really ended). Time for something new.
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The best one could take from it is to remember to go in with an IDEA, not just big action. TWOK, TUC, TVH all have IDEAS, whether they are humanistic or sociopolitical. Like TWOK, the new one is about characters. The next should be adventure and exploration - IDEAS. I can't remember the last time a Trek film dealt with them exploring a new planet, culture or alien phenomenon - and no, Insurrection does not fucking count.
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May 09, 2009 9:38:58 PM CDT
When Kirk asks the Orion chick "How many guys have there been?"
by yackbacker
I thought to myself "Kirk, she should be worried about getting a disease from you!" But then I realized I'm a guy, and sticking up for the slave chick would betray my gender. So... yeah- screw that whore!
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It all happened. And BTW, the destruction of the Kelvin is reason enough for changes in Starfleet and possibly a technology overhaul onboard Enterprise from what we remember. (Though the Kelvin itself also looked very current.)
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The issues you cite have been the problem with pre-JJ Trek movies IMO. The Klingons just never reached the magnitude of Khan and Borg villainy.If JJ and co. follow the Batman Begins-TDK model, it would make sense to go with the Borg or Khan, although I am clearly in favor Khan.Now that the new Kirk, Spock and crew is in place, Trek should feature an enemy who rivals the best all time screen villains.
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It would be very satisfying if in some future installment of this movie series, the new Kirk and Spock were somehow allowed to interact with the "classic" Kirk and Spock, perhaps through computer editing (i.e., "Trials and Tribbleations" from Deep Space Nine, or at least allowed to learn about Trek history in the alternate timeline.
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they took liberties sure, but i thought it kept the spirit of the original while updating it. it still felt classic to me. and you really cant expect them to make a movie with fake cardboard sets and corny dials.
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I saw Star Trek today. Let me begin by stating I'm not a rabid fan of the original series, so I could care less if they deviate from the established cannon. What I watched today was pretty good popcorn movie that I was mildly disappointed in, given the hype driven by all of the sites.
This movie had loads of problems: Spock Prime neglecting to warn the Federation of Nero by getting to the substation on the ice planet before Kirk shows up; that fact that the Enterprise catches up to Nero having given him a significant headstart; Kirk constantly being in danger of falling off a ledge( I think I counted four times he almost died this way); etc.
There was a lot to love about this film, too. I have to say this is probably the most fun I've ever had watching a Star Trek movie. I'll probably see it again with other friends, but I've already cautioned them to lower their expectations. -
it showed many different parallel universes that were occurring. the "original" Trek universe is still going on..dont worry..we can watch it anytime. this is another universe. they are both "real" only time will tell if they are in fact, equal.
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they will probably do Klingons next. lay off of Khan, its not needed.
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really fuck with people
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yeah i agree, but i think it would be a good opportunity to finally make Klingons truly scary. Theyve mostly been portrayed as cartoon characters at this point. They are a huge empire bent on war and conquest. there has to be a badass antagonist in there somewhere. but i like the suggestion someone else made about the next one being about exploration or something. that would be cool, but have the Kilngons or Khan or whoever lurking in the background as a threat that attacks in the third one.
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A Lot. But I also like Babylon 5 and the Star Wars Prequels AND even Superman Returns. So I guess I'm out of the club.
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Patrick Stewart reprises his sugar daddy role as he steps out with a new flame less than half his age
By Richard Simpson
Last updated at 10:40 AM on 09th May 2009
On stage for the London opening of Waiting For Godot this week, Patrick Stewart looked every one - and more - of his 68 years.
Yet it seems there is life in the old dog yet, if his recent romantic history is anything to go by.
Fresh from starring as the flea-bitten tramp Vladimir in Samuel Beckett's play opposite Sir Ian McKellen, Stewart arrived at the after-show party on the arm of a second much-younger companion.
Months after parting with the British actress Lisa Dillon, who was almost 40 years his junior, Stewart is enjoying a relationship with a 31-year-old New York-based jazz singer by the name of Sunny Ozell.
They joined guests including Sting and Paul McCartney with his girlfriend Nancy Shevell.
Miss Ozell happily posed with her new boyfriend and the former Beatle for photographs.
The couple met when Stewart was starring in Macbeth on Broadway last year. Stewart revealed he had a new love in a recent interview, but referred to her only as 'a delightful girlfriend who happens to live in New York'.
The actor's second marriage to TV producer Wendy Neuss, who is 18 years younger than him, ended in 2004. After that, he surprised many by stepping out with Miss Dillon.
At 25, she was younger than Stewart's two children - Daniel, then 37, and Sophie, then 30 - from his first marriage to Sheila Falconer.
He met Miss Dillon when she auditioned for a role in Ibsen's The Master Builder - aptly enough a tale of a man who falls passionately in love with a woman young enough to be his granddaughter.
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if there is one thing ive learned from AICN, its to ignore the hype. After they jacked off Hellboy and said it was the greatest thing since Star Wars (it wasnt at all), i generally ignore their hype machine now.
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if there is one thing ive learned from AICN, its to ignore the hype. After they jacked off Hellboy and said it was the greatest thing since Star Wars (it wasnt at all), i generally ignore their hype machine now. makes me enjoy the movies more without their shameless asskissing.
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Remember, the original, 1960's series appearance of the interior and exterior of the Enterprise has been confirmed and acknowledged in later series. In Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Relics", Scotty has the holodeck re-create the bridge from the original series, and Deep Space Nine Episode "Trials and Tribbleations" showed both the interior and exterior of the Original Series Enterprise. So now, you can'r just pretend it never looked that way. They could have easily remedied this problem by having Starfleet intercept some advanced technology from the future Romulan craft after its battle with the Kelvin, but instead they simply ignored it. And what about poor old Captain Robert April, who was supposed to have commanded the Enterprise just before Pike?
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My balls.
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I agree with you, but... The next film can be interesting without there being one individual badass. A different kind of story can be told now. Perhaps they can boldly go where we haven't been before. But even if they go with Khan or the Borg, I look forward to it more now knowing how well they can do Star Trek.
A story of wonder and exploration doesn't have to be as glacial as TMP. Interesting stories without a villain can be told. Adventures with characters that are well drawn exploring/surviving NEW wonderous and dangerous places/ruins/phenomenae would be a welcome change from trying to one-up themselves with-in the villain/hero story form. -
A creepy-ass Patrick and Sunny Ozell: http://tinyurl.com/p7ln5f
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Died on the Kelvin? Or maybe his or her spouse died as a result of the attack and that person abandoned Starfleet in grief, thus making way for another engineer to run the Constitution-class Startship program.
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i thought for sure he wasnt, but i guess he was just pretending to get closer to the chicks. smart man. smart bald man.
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yeah that could have been an easy way to explain it. is not a big deal to me but that would have worked. as for the April thing, maybe i missed it, but was that the first Enterprise? I just figured it was a new ship named Enterprise and Pike was the current Captain, since its been destroyed or retired so many times.
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DOES HE STILL HAVE IT IN HIM? IS HE STILL UNDER TYRELL-ESQUE MIND CONTROL??? I NEED TO KNOw!!!
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Lets assume for argument's sake that this is the same timeline, only changed from the point of the Kelvin on. (which isn't necessarily so, as going through a singularity could just as well take them to another parallel universe)The number of deaths of the Kelvin crew had to have been significant. And the event itself significant to the Federation. The loss of the ship and lives had to have had a ripple effect over the 25 years. Changes in history and personnel in Starfleet would have affected designs and tactics. Which makes the changes in the look of the tech reasonable. Plus, in the 'previous' Star Trek universe you are used to... we only saw a little bit of it. There was far more inside the Enterprise than we ever saw. Your supposition about intercepted future Romulan technology is a good possibility. But it or other ripple effects didn't have to be spoon-fed to us in order to have existed.
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big fucking surprise there...even less brain cells up above.
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I could not even sit through the whole thing it was so awful, like, really bad. Bad acting, awful writing, nonsensical direction. No interesting concepts anywhere to be found. The so called Trek fans who love this and say "Star Trek is back" make me so sick, make me so furious I can't even address them. People have become so stupid. The worst episode of Voyager is better than this action movie lite crap. Just a putrid, putrid film. Tried to stay for the whole movie, but the Uhura-Spock thing was just too stupid and embarrassing, so after they kissed on the transporter, I beat it out of the theater. Wish i could have my money back. genrefanboy and kwisatzenderich(?) are so right on it hurts. JJ Abrams and Orci and Kurtzmann are some of the worst filmmakers working today.
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nothing i love more than bopping rabid haters, the fact they take themselves so seriously always heightens the enjoyment..tends to blunt their wits.
Hey if this movie had been genuinely bad and boring then yeh you'd have a point, but since it absolutely wasnt and JJ (whose other work i have loathed) pulled off an amazing stunt of casting and drama..precisely the kind that Trek desperately needed after the sad choking end of Enterprise..you haters are gonna be gagging on cock for a loooooooong time. -
Curious. Most curious.
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stick to blowing your Scout Leader
whatever your idea of good acting is, it must be formed in a vortex not recognized on this planet.
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Check your starfleet/ Star Trek histories, guys (you can google it); from the very beginning, Rodenberry had written that Chris Pike was the 2nd commanding officer of the Enterprise, because he wanted the ship tp "have a history." Robert April was the first captain, but was only actually seen in the animated Star Trek series of the early 1970's.
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BMacSmith - Agreed. Making the Klingons serious villains and not comic sounds like the right approach.I think Search for Spock is the last time we had a deadly serious Klingon, played by Christopher Lloyd - although the character is not considered to be a great Trek villain.Stunt Vocalist 709 - Long time no TB since BSG.I'm with you in that Trek could both explore and have really cool villains. One example is TOS episode, The Menagerie, where Capt. Pike and the crew explore the planet Talos 18 only to confront the Talosians who kidnap Pike and place him in a cage to test/study him as a human specimen.
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just admit youre the rigid trekkie type who cant accept change and would have hated it no matter what.
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" For that matter, Spock could travel back in time and warn the Vulcans about the Nero's death star mining ship ".They went back in time by accident. They had no control. When Spock came out of the time disturbance. Nero ( who came through first ) was waiting him. Did you watch this movie?
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...doesn't mean it wasn't also a really cool, big idea. The fact that they invested so much thought and effort into a simple plot device, making it in keeping with the themes and messages of TWOK is impressive.
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Guess I'll just have to go on enjoying both the new Star Trek and life itself, instead of being so angry over a movie I didn't like.
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Dude. Seriously. Dial down on the venom. Yes, you hated the movie. I didn't hate it, but I did think it was really, really dumb--which, I guess is reason enough to hate something. But I am not attacking other people's points of view.
Just relax, brother. It's okay.
The people who made this film weren't trying to make it as a holodeck reality--they wanted it to be a fun, if vaccuous adventure film that appealed to the most common denominator--and they have succeeded in their efforts in spades.
It is not a movie for people who cannot shut off their brains. You know, people who demand a little internal logic in their stories or at least some basic understanding of scientific principals or physics. The type of fans who can see that even in an Alternate Universe, Spock could go back in time and change things. It doesn't matter anymore.
The film is out. It is a hit. Bob, Alex and JJ feel justified that their way was the right way to do it because modern audiences are happy with Good Enough rather than Great.
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May 09, 2009 10:52:32 PM CDT
was worried after the first 20 min., but then it got better
by bmacsmith
i hated the young Kirk/Spock scenes. felt rushed and stupid. especially when baby Kirk stole the car. And the Kirk father scene just kinda fell flat to me. it wasnt bad, just not good. i didnt really care about him. i was seriously worried. but once the characters grew up and the movie slowed down a tiny bit, i was having a blast. I guess if you are too tied up in the universe, you just cant enjoy it, but i thought it stood on its own as a great sci fi movie, and the excellent acting made it feel like Trek IMO.
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http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/09/star-trek-original-b.html
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but trash an entire franchise and we are not allowed to be disappointed?
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I love that man. And I love that he gets tail at 68.
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"vaccuous adventure film that appealed to the most common denominator--and they have succeeded in their efforts in spades.
It is not a movie for people who cannot shut off their brains. You know, people who demand a little internal logic in their stories or at least some basic understanding of scientific principals or physics. The type of fans who can see that even in an Alternate Universe, Spock could go back in time and change things. It doesn't matter anymore."
Come on man, isn't Star Wars and the original Star Trek the exact same thing you just described? i wouldnt call those lowest common denominator films. they were fun sci fi adventure films with very faulty science. This was no different. i felt like it had as much heart as those. I dont know maybe you arent a fan of those shows either. in that case, why are you here?
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"vaccuous adventure film that appealed to the most common denominator--and they have succeeded in their efforts in spades.
It is not a movie for people who cannot shut off their brains. You know, people who demand a little internal logic in their stories or at least some basic understanding of scientific principals or physics. The type of fans who can see that even in an Alternate Universe, Spock could go back in time and change things. It doesn't matter anymore."Come on man, isn't Star Wars and the original Star Trek the exact same thing you just described? i wouldnt call those lowest common denominator films. they were fun sci fi adventure films with very faulty science. This was no different. i felt like it had as much heart as those.
I dont know maybe you arent a fan of those shows either. in that case, why are you here?
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I am glad to know someone like me can cause you so much fury. Makes happy as a clam to know some hate filled moron douche is mad because everyone likes something he doesnt. I'll see it again in your honor.
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I am glad to know someone like me can cause you so much fury. Makes happy as a clam to know some hate filled moron douche is mad because everyone likes something he doesnt. I'll see it again in your honor.
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Shatner is still "appalled"
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Thelastboyscout said "I could not even sit through the whole thing it was so awful, like, really bad. Bad acting, awful writing, nonsensical direction. No interesting concepts anywhere to be found. The so called Trek fans who love this and say "Star Trek is back" make me so sick, make me so furious I can't even address them. "
How can anybody that says something like that expect anybody to take them seriously? That sounds like the outburst of an intelligent yet emotionally immature child. You can dislike the film; it had problems, particularly at the plotting stage. But this lunatic hyperbole makes you really sound like a crackpot.
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Presenting the most volatile talkback in all of AICN! Seriously guys, this thread is like 5 trillion powderkegs exploding all at once. Oh yeah I just want to mention that the Kobayashi Maru sequence WAS AWESOME!!!!!! SO WAS THE REST OF THE MOVIE!!!! MORE CAPS!!!!
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Presenting the most volatile talkback in all of AICN! Seriously guys, this thread is like 5 trillion powderkegs exploding all at once. Oh yeah I just want to mention that the Kobayashi Maru sequence WAS AWESOME!!!!!! SO WAS THE REST OF THE MOVIE!!!! MORE CAPS!!!!
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Yes, as a movie it works nicely. It's exciting, fun to watch, alive in a way many of the trek movies and shows haven't been. However there's some MAJOR problems with it in regards to the Trek franchise. Basically this script has decided that 40 years of Star Trek history is now scratched. Spock and Nero go back in time and basically erase the Trek timeline that we know. Everything that happens from here on out is completely different than what originally happened. You can't tell me that with two Spocks in the universe, no more Vulcan, and countless Federation deaths that the timeline would be the same just because each character got neatly placed where they needed to be by the end. And what really irked me was that Spock barely even seemed to give a shit. He would NOT take lightly going back in time and changing the entire timeline of Federation. He's practically shrugging and joking about it with young Spock. So badly conceived. This isn't even going into the amazing amount of plot holes and half baked ideas. So Kirk lands on a moon or planet and just HAPPENS to stumble upon a tiny little cave that just by chance Old Spock is biding his time in? "How did you find me?" How indeed. And Old Spock tries to save Romulus and fails and with 10 seconds Nero has a crew ready to take revenge? WTF? Not to even go into how much Nero story felt way too similar to the Shinzon story from Nemesis. Guy from the Romulan Empire? Check. Device that destroys planets, Earth being next? Check. I went into this with high hopes after all of the reviews, and I'm usually very forgiving on remakes and reboots, something I post about here all the time. However for as much as this movie got right with the characters, what it got WRONG with the story is just too much to overlook as a Trek fan that knows and enjoys the history of the ACTUAL Trek timeline, which according to this movie never will happen. The more what I just saw sinks in, the more it really pisses me off.
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First off I loved the movie. But it seemed to have a glaring plot hole. Nero comes through the black hole and destroys a Federation ship. Uh, wouldn't you think the Federation would be looking for Nero's ship? Then Nero waits around for 25 years for Spock to come through. They just sit there for 25 years? And they don't appear to age? Also, what, they use 43 Klingon warships for target practice? Did I miss something?
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It makes no sense, much like the rest of the movie. There is no reason they couldn't have told a 'straight' origin story without all the time travel bullshit. Everything that DIDN'T involve the time traveling Nero bullshit was SO good. But that weak story and writing ruined what could have been an epic in the Trek franchise. The press might be all over this one, but I can't imagine how a true Trek fan would accept this story in the trek lexicon (seeing as how it basically says everything they've ever seen in trek has now never happended).
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Nero's jump back in time didn't affect Jonathon Archer and the Enterprise NX-01.
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the old timeline isnt erased, its just a new timeline. just like all the other bajillion timelines brought up time and time again throughout Trek's history. Stop crying about your precious Trek. its still there. its gonna be ok. If this were a total reboot like you suggested, it would be over. I thought this was a perfectly good way to tie in with the existing story while starting anew. With the DECADES of canon and backstory added and added the TOS and TNG timeline, writing yet another chapter would be tedious and boring. I wouldnt wish that on any writer. Time to break out of that. Jesus, some of these trekkies... get over it. did you really think they are just gonna keep making major motion pictures for an ever decreasing audience about an increasingly more rigid universe? you arent that important. relax a little. this was a pretty great take on the Trek story.
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So the idea as one person presented it is that Spock doesn't give a shit that the timeline is now kaput because there's so many universes out there and at least one of them should have the "real" timeline. This is weak for several reasons. First this is NOT how anyone in the Federation has ever viewed time travel on Trek. Messing with time is off limits for the federation. A broken timeline has always been a major cause for concern. I've never seen anything that would suggest that Spock, or anyone else in the Federation for that matter, would behave this way. It's completely out of character for the show and Spock. Secondly, if there's so many universes and timelines, why even bother trying to fix this one he's in? There's other versions that got it right, so what does he care? Personally I don't want to see an "alternate universe" of Trek, which is what any sequel to this movie will be.
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talk about a fucking nightmare. absolutely nothing coiuld be done without some trekkie somewhere screaming about how it fucks up something that happened later. So what would be next? a remake of The Motion Picture, a remake of Khan, etc? yeah an endless chain of remakes made with rigid continuity sounds great. are you insane?
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the old timeline still exists, just in an alternate (nerd convention) reality. the new movies are in a new reality.I'm certainly not a Trekkie, so that doesn't bug me, but the more important question is, why should that bother anyone? what is the alternative? to have the next movie be a shot for shot remake of an old Star Trek episode, or movie, Gus van Sant style?to me, not only is this an aceptable way of handling this, it was the ONLY way to handle it, short of just calling it a completely separate entity. (Space Journey? Celestial Voyage?)what other way could they have done it? if they'd tried to keep all the bazillion tiny elements the same and have adventures "around" the ones we've already seen in Star Trek TOS and the films, it would bind their hands SO TIGHT, it would be nearly impossible to write a good movie.
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right at the same time!albeit with varying levels of civility...
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While I'm a big fan of the show, I'm not a diehard convention trekkie. I just appreciate good writing and treating a well loved property with respect. This basically just pissed all over that. You could have easily rebooted this series in the exact same way by leaving out the time travel story. Why is that required to renew this series? They clearly showed they wanted Kirk, Spock, and the exact same crew zipping around the universe, what does altering the timeline add to the franchise? Do you think joe public cares that the timeline from the original trek series is different. "Oh they changed a series of events, so I'll see and enjoy Trek now." It was how they presented it that was the refreshing reboot that people are responding to. There was no reason to fuck up the trek universe to do it.
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he wasnt able to do anything to stop it from happening. I suppose he could have hijacked a ship, jumped back in time ,or before time, or whatever and stopped it. But Trek has always used time travel a little too erratically. one day they dont know how to do it, the next day its easy, the next they never want to fuck with it. thats the trouble of writing about time travel. i dont see anything different here. Maybe in Spock's later years he has figured out that because all these different timelines exist, it really isnt that big a deal. He always seemed pretty buddhist in his old age anyway.
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So you can't have any new adventures in the Trek universe without destroying it and starting over? That's complete bullshit. They could have told countless stories with Kirk and crew that we didn't see on the show or in the films. They would have presented it in the same fresh and exciting way, everyone would have still been happy, including the non-trek fans that appreciated this one. But if you support this idea of tearing down the universe they created, how about they do it to other franchises. How about Indiana Jones next? That could be fun to completely fuck up that history.
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yeah i get a little crazy sometimes :). but yeah. what you said.
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there would have been no drama if they did it your way. you would no they arent in any danger of dying. the events in those stories wouldnt be important enough to have any bearing on the larger story. at least this way you never know exactly whats gonna happen now. the timetravel bit to change the timeline was a good way to start over without erasing decades of storylines. it actually helps keep the old trek rellevent, it doesnt erase it. its a bone to throw at Trek fans, and Im glad they went with it instead of scrapping the whole thing.
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That's the final word. Now live long and fuck off!
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My favourite line of the movie. If BobOrci wrote that line, my hat's off to him cause it was hilarious. If not, then pass my hat off to that person and then my hat is off to them. Love that bit.
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...they still aren't going to kill off any characters and the "bone" they threw to trek fans is going to get exponentially less appreciated when they see how drastically each movie deviates from the actual Trek story. Now Spock and Uhura have babies! Kirk becomes clinically depressed and attempts suicide! Yeah you can have a lot of stuff happen that you couldn't have in the real timeline, but that doesn't make it better in any way. Good writing would overcome the limitations of using known characters. You can create drama in the original timeline, the problem was they weren't, not that they couldn't. Rehashing tired villain stories (This was practically the same story as Nemesis, plus time travel), filling the thing with countless plot holes, and making known characters behave in ways they wouldn't is NOT a good way to reboot a series.
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I was really excited about this movie and went in VERY willing to forgive a lot of retooling. But creating a new alternate universe that I have no reason to care about is too much, even for someone who loves remakes and reboots.
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That's my sole, single quibble with the film. I don't get why the tech and design is because Nero blew up the Kevlin. That's it. I love the movie a lot, it's the only thing that sticks in my head and I wish it had been explained. If you could explain that, I'd be very happy. (My no-prize explanation: the Kelvin's scans of Nero's 24th Century tech ship were backwards-engineered by Starfleet to turn into what we saw in this movie.)
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...to add one more thing to your point about there being no drama unless you create an alternate timeline for things to happen in, if there are multiple timelines for every character then there IS no drama because you know that Kirks a-ok in the real timeline, even if he dies in the new one, starts a gay love affair with Scotty in another one, lives to the ripe old age of 200 in another one. The very fact that you are supplying multiple universes that you can change and erase means that no event or action has consequence which means the drama is hollow.
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...to the cinematic moron who claimed that Paul Walker could have done the same job Chris Pine did. Stop going to movies. Honestly. You're too stupid to see any more films. If you can't recognize the job Pine did in this, taking on an iconic role and becoming Harrison Ford for a new generation, all in one fell swoop, then you're a idiot.
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I'm watching Synecdoche, New York right now and loving the uncanny parallels between it and Star Trek. Philip Seymour Hoffman Prime... meet Spock Prime.... meet Charlie Kaufman Prime.
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the 'actual' star trek story has already been told, i dont want a straight remake. I dont need updated special FX. I dont want them to fuck with the existing story. maybe they could have squeaked out a few more episodes without breaking continuity (i doubt they would be very interesting), but i personally like this better. its wide open now. who knows where it will go now. the last thing i wanted was "The Lost Adventures of the Enterprise Crew".
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...Mr. Abrams and Paramount did the best thing for the franchise they possible. Category One: there are fans who have legitimate, well-reasoned reasons to dislike this Trek and, while I may not agree with them. Category Two: there are fans who were predisposed to hate this Trek before the first word was written or the first scene filmed. Category Three: there are fans who hate this movie solely because it's not the Trek they would have written, if only they were writers/producers themselves. If "the franchise" lost ALL of these fans yet gained millions of ...wait for it...a next generation of millions of people who LOVE this new Trek, then good for the franchise. The thing is this: Star Trek itself calcified many years ago (Voyager, Insurrection, and the much maligned Nemesis), but so did a great horde of fandom, continuity ho's and forever warring factions divining "cerebral Trek" from "GI Joe in Space Trek". And we see where that got us in terms of diminishing returns. As a fan of all the Trek series (with various degrees of enthusiasm), I think Abrams' Trek is a fantastic achievement for Trek itself. Any good businessperson will tell you, if they had to lose 10 loyal customers in order to gain 100 new ones, it would be well worth the loss. You might only keep 20 of those new people at the end of the day, but it's a net gain either way.
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Im still trying to wrap my head around that movie. oh wait i think its called Primer.
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Saw Star Trek earlier today. BTW I've also read every word of this talkback. A little background on me: I'm 42 and have seen every trek film in the theater. At the age of 12, I was filled with awe at the end of TMP when I saw the words "The human adventure is just beginning". Trumbull's Enterprise has just warped away - the best looking Enterprise in cinema history. How can effects look so meh thirty years later? The new Star Trek is science fiction that has been intentionally dumbed down. You can not take the big ideas out of science fiction. You can not take the big ideas out of Star Trek. Well, you can, but you are left with something that blows. When I was 12, with that fresh sense of wonder, I really thought that things were just going to get better and better - that the human race was actually going to improve. I was wrong. A new Star Trek is in theaters, and it sucks. I hope it inspires people who are twelve years old to watch all of the old classics, and maybe read some golden age science fiction, and actually be exposed to some real ideas. Congratulations Abrams, you have failed utterly, but fortunately for you your failure will look and feel very much like success.
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A very, very good film. To a certain extent though, it wasn't really Star Trek at all, and wasn't geeky enough for me. Star Trek needs to be a bit more sad probably, and this just felt like a brilliant science fiction film. Still, they've definitely nailed it in terms of how to make it profitable, and better this than no more Star Trek ever!
I absolutely loved it - Chris Pine is brilliant, too. Shame Nimoy is so very very old, he didn't really do it for me. But I loved it - seeing it again tonight! -
...Mr. Abrams and Paramount did the best thing for the franchise they possible could do for it and for fandom in general. Category One: there are fans who have legitimate, well-reasoned reasons to dislike this Trek and, while I may not agree with them, I respect their considered opinions. Category Two: there are fans who were predisposed to hate this Trek before the first word was written or the first scene filmed. Category Three: there are fans who hate this movie solely because it's not the Trek they would have written, if only they were writers/producers themselves. HERE is the problem: all of the fans in these three categories THINK they are Category One! The way I see it, if "the franchise" lost ALL of these particular fans yet gained millions of ...wait for it...a next generation of people who LOVE this new version of Trek, then good for the franchise. The thing is this: Star Trek itself calcified many years ago (Voyager, Insurrection, and the much maligned Nemesis), but so did a great horde of fandom, continuity ho's and forever warring factions divining "cerebral Trek" from "GI Joe in Space Trek". And we see where that got us in terms of diminishing returns. As a fan of all the Trek series and most of the movies (with various degrees of enthusiasm), I think Abrams' Trek is a fantastic achievement for Trek itself. Any good businessperson will tell you, if they had to lose 10 loyal customers in order to gain 100 new ones, it would be well worth the loss. You might only keep 20 of those new people at the end of the day, but it's a net gain either way.
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Then why use these characters at all? Why not just create a new crew and ship, which is basically what you're doing anyway? People like these characters? That's because they went through a journey with them already. Why would anyone want to see the same people doing something different this time around. Then when that happens we can reboot it again and see what they do again and again. It's like Franchise Groundhog Day and it makes no sense.
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Very simple: Every other reboot EVER says "Nothing happened. EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!! YOU WASTED YOUR LIFE!!! THIS IS THE FIRST TIME!!" So when Bale puts on the Batsuit or Craig orders a Martini, it's only cool because "Oh, I remember when the other guy did that!"
With Star Trek, it's about fate. These people would have gone on to live the lives in TOS-onwards IF NOT for Nero screwing up the timeline. But these characters are meant to be together, because that's how they win - even if they don't know it. So when Kirk sits in the chair, it's not that "Oh, neat, there it is for the first time", it's an actual fucking plot point.
So the entire run of Trek still happened from Enterprise to Nemesis, then the grand story of Star Trek loops back on itself to start again. It's like a pretzel. With time-traveling Romulans. I actually view this more like a sequel than a prequel because it's going somewhere I haven't seen before. So it makes this movie a sequel, a prequel, a reboot, and a remake. It's a seprebootmake! -
I now know that this is the Trek made for dumb people. There was absolutely NOTHING brilliant about any of the story put on screen. Half of it didn't even make sense from a logic standpoint. I posted a bunch of major plot issues and nobody has even countered them. It's just "brilliant". The story itself is just rehashed from old trek movies. markjamesmurphy, you nailed it. This one is for the dumbasses, not the people that appreciate good sci-fi.
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the majority of moderate Trek fans and movie lovers in general like it. The mouthbreathers probably split, but who gives a fuck about them anyway. (I KNOW THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS so dont bother posting proving I'm wrong here.) That pretty much sums it up based on the talkback. I guess if I built my life around a movie and tv series i might be unable to tolerate such a change too.
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My life doesn't revolve around Star Trek. I know it's easy to throw insults as a way to apologize for this film, but you are not making any good points or countering any of the MANY problems I've posted regarding the film.
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If you've actually watched a lot of Star Trek, you'll see they don't do long-ass "I'm black on one side of my face, white on the other" social and political allegories. They do DIFFERENT stories - romance (Someone to Watch Over Me, Rejoined), comedy (tribbles), war drama (Dominion Arc), hell sports stories (take me out to the holosuite) and even a die hard with TNG's Starship Mine and campy throwback (Bride of Chaotica! and Spock's Brain) that don't delve deep into the human condition. And remember the time travel stories that are there for NO REASON than to do a cool time travel story. That's why Star Trek has lasted for decades: it's multi-adaptive to any genre. As long as somebody fucking beams, or uses a communicator, wears funny jumpsuits and it all takes place on a ship called Enterprise- IT'S FUCKING STAR TREK. Go actually watch the series first before you say you're an expert on it. Noob.
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You can fit ANY good story into the trek universe. The problem with the movies lately is that they just want to rehash Khan over and over. Guy wants revenge on Kirk/Picard/Spock, has a device to destroy a planet, blah blah blah. The problem is NOT that you need a clean slate because you can't tell the story you want to without it.
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why use these characters at all? because i like them. Plus i liked all the alternate dimension/ time travel crap i saw in Trek anyway and this seems like a natural fit. I would probably prefer a totally new story, but thats a rarity nowadays anyway. I think they found the best solution for a reboot (that really isnt a reboot). plus i thought it was just a fantastic, fun sci fi flick on top of that. i didnt think the science was that terrible. how many ways have they used the warpcore bullshit in the past? and that radar dish thingy can do whatever the writers need it to. None of that bothers me. except the romulans floating around in space for 25 years.
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well indiana jones isn't a sci-fi franchise that has already dealt with time travel in the past.
you could argue, as you have, that the timeline split ruins it. some equally into Star Trek could argue that it preserves that and honors it, in a way, so that the new stuff is just that: new.
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i think i made my points. you just seem to want a straight reboot that has more of whats already happened. with stories that are somehow simultaneously new, dramatic and epic, yet dont fuck with established canon and dont change the characters. good luck writing that. We'll just agree to disagree i guess.
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That it's practically the same story as Khan and Nemesis? Did the giant hands and Scotty in a water tube bother you? Kirk running into Spock in a tiny cave just by chance? Nero having a crew ready for revenge while the fucking catastrophe on Romulus was STILL HAPPENING? Also, the action in the final scene was BORING. Kirk fights on a platform a la Star Wars, but doesn't really do a whole lot. Spock flies around and shoots some things in a non-exciting way. That's the finale? This movie was SO EXCELLENT until they get the distress call during Kirk's hearing. After that it was total shit from a writing standpoint.
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...Kirk, you're promoted to first officer even though you aren't even a crew member. Also everyone that is currently on the Enterprise is completely inept, which is good seeing as how we need to get the known characters into their positions.
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You sanctimonious shit head. I'm older than you and loved TMP when it came out. Even read the paperback novelization of TMP before seeing the movie, etc etc etc. The Star Treks that followed TMP were second-rate crap (compared to Blade Runner, Empire Strikes Back, Alien, Gattaca). Star Trek has been crap for so fucking long it deserves to stay dead. But now it's alive again and better than ever in my opinion.
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"Why would anyone want to see the same people doing something different this time around."
because that's better than seeing the same people doing the same things (Star Trek: Geriatric Power)...or different people doing the same things (Gus van Zant presents Star Trek the Motion Picture)...or different people doing different things (Space Journey..or Stal Trik). -
1.)the bad guys sucked, but they were a big enough threat for the Enterprise, who really should be the center of attention here. 2.)nope and nope (its an adventure movie, without the grim tone of the later movies), Ive seen far worse in Trek. 3.)eh.4.) I enjoyed it.5.)I thought the first few minutes were the most rushed and poorly written in the movie, so i feel completely opposite here. baby kirk driving a car off a cliff was terrible. The rest of the movie was much better.
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1.)the bad guys sucked, but they were a big enough threat for the Enterprise, who really should be the center of attention here. 2.)nope and nope (its an adventure movie, without the grim tone of the later movies), Ive seen far worse in Trek. 3.)eh.4.) I enjoyed it.5.)I thought the first few minutes were the most rushed and poorly written in the movie, so i feel completely opposite here. baby kirk driving a car off a cliff was terrible. The rest of the movie was much better.
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If you say so. As I stated before and you completely ignored, having multiple timelines means the drama means nothing because, hey, there's always a timeline where none of this happened, everything went right, etc. Your argument that this adds drama is way off. Just ask Bill Murray in Groundhog Day after the 50th time his day has been rebooted. No actions have consequence because at the end of the day there's a new timeline to do it all over again. Who cares if Kirk dies this time? He's still alive in the other timeline, so is there drama there?
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You ARE most definitely apologizing. Half your comments there are non-committal at best and you're not even backing up your 'positive' comments with anything but I liked that part, and the part you liked I didn't.
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You're spot on, I didn't mean to imply that all Trek is great.. Huge swaths of it blow. In fact, there's been so damn much of it that, percentage-wise, most of it blows. 'Alive again and better than ever' though? We'll have to agree to disagree. I AM sincerely happy that it's 'alive'. Also, fuck you for calling me a shit head - us old farts should be watching each other's backs!
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I'm trying to recall the kind of slapstick humor you've seen worse of. I don't recall ever seeing something as silly and out of place as Kirk's fat hands and Scotty being shot through a giant, pointless water slide for comic effect.
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Nice one ;)
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i was just answering your questions. here's why i liked it. feel free to respond.the actors were great. Urban was fucking channeling Kelly. amazing job. Kirk was a arrogant but likeable ass, Spock was Spock, etc.The spirit of TOS was maintained. it was a fun, old fashioned adventure without too much of the jaded, grimness that so many remakes are infected with. It felt like an adventure in space. great effects, great design. the effects were updated while keeping a classic feel. For the first time, phaser fire actually seems deadly. the ship looked great. nothing felt cheap.It respected the fans by tying it into the existing Trek universe, despite what you say. it was epic, with major plot developments that would have been impossible if done your way. It changed things. no more Vulcan. Pike is still around. it was a great way to free itself from rigid continuity. who knows what will happen next. it was a great bookend for the old Trek and gave Nimoy the ending he deserved. face it dude, the old trek cast is dead and dying. it couldnt stay the same if it wanted to. ill come up with more later if you want, though im sure this wont be enough to convince you i actually like it.
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The Tim Burton "reimagining" of Planet of The Apes and that fucking retarded Rollerball remake both filled me with some of the reboot hate that is on display here. I just don't feel the same way about the new Star Trek as I felt about those films. And I have great affection for Trek as well as the original POTA and Rollerball. I just think this is a whole different kettle of fish. Abrams plays fast and loose with the property (as was done with POTA and Rollerball.) I just think he has done so much better... has created something that is actually breath-takingly FUN and feels like a Pop Culture Moment. What more could I hope for. So while I turned away from those other remakes and went back and huddled around my musty old original "classics" in the case of those other films... with Trek it is just such a vast decade-spanning sea of steaming crap by now... I do not feel protective or precious about TOS.
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....to be irritated with JJ Abrams for what he's done with this movie. You don't have to be a "Trekker" to know that "Star Trek" is an institution, literally 40 years old. Yes there have been some internal inconsistencies within the series over the years, but again, it's pretty hard to remember EVERYTHING you've done over a 40 year period. Rick Berman did a great job for about 20 years or so, expanding on the Star Trek mythology, while remaining true to Rodenberry's original vision. It is well-settled that "First Contact" is right up the with "The Wrath of Kahn" and even "the Voyage Home" as the best of the Trek movies. But what Berman proved is that the Trek mantle can be passed seamlessly if it is passed to the right kind of developers.....JJ Abrams is not that guy, and this is not that movie. Their first problem was calling it a "prequel". You already have a bunch of new actors, who reference the original characters in name only. Why not have young Spock just be a different Vulcan? Why couldn't have Kirk just been another captain? Why couldn't the guy from Harold and Kumar just be another pilot. By making this garbage movie, Abrams has basically said "F*ck you* to the multiple generations of fans of the show, where these characters are beloved. This could have and should have just been another "Star Trek" movie with new characters, expanding on what has come befdore, and you still could have had Spock in it played by Nimoy, counseling the younger Vulcan played by Quinto (channeling a little too much of Sylar in his portrayal, IMO). What Abrams has created is a disgrace to Star Trek. You can't simply make a movie with guys named "Kirk, "Spock" and "Bones" flying around in space and slap a "Star Trek" title on it and not expect to get a backlash when you completely and needlessly ignore 40 years of legacy. And no, the "Star Trek" cannon is not so rigid that they could not have made a great new "Star Trek" movie without being true to and respecting what came before it. Rick Berman proved it was possible. JJ Abrams only proved, once again, that he is a purveyor of over-rated junk for both the big screen and small. I'm betting second week grosses for this movie tumble by AT LEAST 50 percent. And oh yeah, that "other" prequel movie "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" was an even bigger piece of crap.
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Was it just me, or did any other Heinlein fans get a 'what-might-have-been' boner during the few seconds it took for Kirk, Sulu and Redshirt to hit the upper atmosphere?
That angled shot of them falling straight down in total silence, with the horizon curved behind them, was absolutely incredible. I'd see it again just for that. -
sulu going crazy and swordfighting? aliens with zippers? Shatner fighting himself? have you ever watched Star Trek? a slightly lighthearted tone doesnt hurt. christ, everyone always wants a darker, grittier, hardcore R version of shit. get over yourselves. for some stuff its cool, for other stuff it isnt.
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Actually if you addressed my points, plot holes, etc. that would be enough. I liked a lot of those things too believe it or not. The characters were fun, the casting great, the special effects top notch. Take all those things and dump the garbage time travel and you have a 5 star classic from me.
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...but it WASN'T Trek! I'd have been happier if the names had been changed to protect my stomach.
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...why not put Eddie Murphy in a fat suit doing fart jokes next. That's the level of humor they resorted to there. Not on par with Trek.
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Why? Because I said so, that's why.
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"it's pretty hard to remember EVERYTHING you've done over a 40 year period."
exactly my point. 40 years is just way too much bullshit to wade through to try to write a original crew story. it cant be done well. True, Berman did a great job building on it, but do you just want The Next, Next , Next Generation into infinity? more diminishing returns like Enterprise, Insurrection and Nemesis? I think youre being a bit selfish. There has to be a bigger audience. This, to me, was a pretty smart way of rebooting while keeping the old Trek intact. I dont think it was a fuck you to the fans at all. these supposed "fans" should get over themselves and accept that things had to change. -
I ignored it because it's not exactly a fair or logical comparison. they reboot this ONE time, and then continue on in this reality. it's a filmic equivalent to what's happening in the reality, with new people, new sets, etc.it doesn't mean there's no drama at all...back to the future had time travel and alternate timelines APLENTY, and it had major drama and excitement.
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May 10, 2009 1:46:45 AM CDT
Nobody cares if u didn't like the movie! u have to live with tha
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Too bad! You had a sucky experience! Sucks to be you, hahahaha! I'm laughing at your socalled superior movie intellect. I liked it and I get to be satisfied and happy. I win. You lose.
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planet? Maybe Spock told Nero to maroon him there, knowing Scotty was also there, and Kirk would show up eventually? Hmm.
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wtf are you talking about?! I was basically agreeing with you on the badguy stuff, its just that i dont give a shit. It wasnt enough to derail the movie. most of those plotholes were either minor or could be explained away if you thought hard enough. Im not gonna try to explain why i enjoyed a battle scene. wtf, how stupid is that? it was a good, fun fight sequence that adequately wrapped up the story. im not gonna write a detailed shot by shot critique of a action scene. I LIKE IT. Shit went boom in a fairly logical and cool way that wrapped up the story in a satisfying way. the end. What more specifically do you need to know?
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Evidently alot of people didn't pay attention. It isn't just an altered timeline, it's an altered timeline in an alternate universe. The black hole sent Nero and Spock to an alternate universe that parallels universe prime, and THEN the timeline violation of killing George Kirk occured. Spock could have traveled back and forth in time all day long but it wouldn't have made a difference, he was still stuck in Universe B.
This movie doesn't undo anything. Universe A still goes on untouched.
Don't some of you fucking people get this was all intended as an opportunity to revisit the original series and have those characters live again without violating everything that has come before? The only difference in the Trek some of you cocksuckers love, is that Spock Prime is no longer in your universe. Fucking deal with it. It's back to Kirk and Spock and FUCK Picard, Sisko, Janeway, and Archer, and frankly I'm tickled and thrilled. -
Thank you for that Back to the Future example, you just proved my point for me. Yes they had alternate timelines, but the reason there was drama was because those alternate timelines existing were negatively affecting the MAIN timeline and it had to be corrected. That WAS the drama in the movie. They didn't just branch off and never return. Likewise Trek has ALWAYS treated time travel in this manner as well. They understood that if you could just go back and change things willy nilly NOTHING has drama or meaning. The timeline was not to be fucked with not only because the characters don't want their universe flipped around, but also because the creators of the show KNEW that if you just go back into time and tweak things nothing has any meaning. If a character dies it has no heft. Your point about there being drama now is so, so wrong. I could honestly care less if Kirk, Sulu, or any other of the new timeline folks die because they aren't the "Real" timeline and I know they're just fine.
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I'm a pretty big Trek fan. I prefer TOS. And even like Voyager.
I liked this new movie. Love the production design and cinematography. I like the actors, although some aren't given much to do. I think McCoy should be more involved in the plot next time, since he, Kirk, and Spock are the Holy Three.
That said, I have some problems with the film...
Young Kirk scene is completely unnecessary. The next (and should have been first time) we see Kirk, he's drunk in the bar. This is all we need to see. The car bit doesn't add to this. It just pads the movie.
The score kinda sucks. Well, I guess it's servicable. It's just not memorable. The main theme is actually quite bad and not recognizable (a common problem in film).
Nero is just lame as a villain. We get no insight to his motivation, other than revenge. If they want us to care about his motivation, we should see a bit of his family or personal dynamic. Maybe through flashback/dream.
Old Spock. I'm sorry but the old Spock black hole ship is rather lame. Old Spock creates Red Matter (worst-named device...ever) which can create black holes. And he's going to use it to save Romulus from a solar flare? How? If he uses it on the sun, it'll kill the sun which will then cause Romulus to freeze. So what's his plan? And it doesn't work. So Nero blames Spock? Why? And 25 years is a long time to wait for revenge. Certainly, his crew would object at some point. And point out that killing the young Spock would solve his revenge plan and prevent the death of his family and planet. Just a really contrived plot.
Too much humor. Sure, most of the stuff is funny. However, the Scotty in water tubes is just too silly and retarded.
Kirk's meteoric rise to Captaincy. This would only make sense, if he showed some ability to command people. If he had some fantastic presence that made people want to follow him. Or if he was able to anticipate problems in various situations. He shows none of this. It makes no sense that he takes control of the ship. At the very least, he should have told Pine, "I told you it would only take 3 years" (see, we thought he was talking about the Academey, but he was talking about being a Captain).
Kobiyashi test? Sure it's funny when he's so nonchalant about it. However, this doesn't make sense, unless he wants to get caught. If he does want to get caught and make a point about the test, he should have made a better point of it in his trial. He could have out argued Spock and maybe rallied some people to his side. He's so passionate and smart, that people follow him. Hence, he has leadership skills. But alas, this falls flat.
Again, the lack of leadership. Once Kirk takes control of the Enterprise, does he show leadership? At the climax, he lets Spock go into immediate danger aboard Nero's ship, without even addressing that if Spock dies, reality might change instantly. And Kirk makes the command decision to go over to Nero's ship personally. I know this is what the old show did (Captain going planetside for adventures) but shouldn't this new Kirk show his command ability by actually commanding the crew of his ship. Let's see how difficult it is to command the flagship. Instead, he just leaves the ship and gets into gun and fistfights. Lame. Which ties into...
Just way too many people abandon their post as Captain. Too many people walking off the ship's bridge. Again, let's see how difficult it is to command a crew. Let's see why Kirk is suited for it.
Ice planet? Seriously. This is so contrived, it's hard to write about. From the Phantom Menace one-monster-eats-another chase to the convenient old Spock to the lame introduction of Scotty (why couldn't he just be on the Enterprise and Kirk is just thrown in the ship's brig?).
Overall, I did enjoy the movie and think it's a good time. I undestand if hardcore Trek fans are upset about changes to continuity. However, we need this movie to succeed. It's our best hope at Trek continuing. If it fails, Trek is dead. I hope the movie is popular and generates interest in the brand again. I look forward to seeing where this crew goes next. I just hope they don't revisit Khan. Maybe we can finally see some more Gorn? -
like Voyager or Insurrection shoved down their throats. as much as i enjoyed it, The Next Gen thing has been mined dry for a decade. People think a studio should should keep pumping millions of dollars into drek designed to please a tiny little group that doesnt want anything else. Star Trek is more than that.
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The kids inherit the ship is straight out of the original Gundam. When attacked by the enemy, a young crew has to inherit and command the ship since an adult crew wasn't available. The Captain is only about 18. Many teenagers (many civilian) have to fill in at all the positions. Sound familiar?
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Trek was dead(may still be if the movie don't make bank) and the few bitching and moaning about the new film need to stay in the past with their classic reruns and old movies.
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That's fine and all but you are still missing the point it is a chance to revisit the original crew without all of the constraints of having a film in Universe A. There's no way that could be juggled effectively. Kirk is still dead in Universe A. But in Universe B Kirk NEED not die in the Nexus. There will be subtle differences. I think it's actually brilliant to honor and maintain everything that has come before, but get back to the heart of Star Trek, which is Kirk and Spock. Now, in this new universe, you can play with those characters again and not FUCK up by having Kirk fall off a bridge for example.
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New Trek was good, I can say I had no problem what so ever with the film. It was good and well done but it wasn't great. Abbrams and crew did a bang up job
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The Hardcore fans, who love pretty much all the shows are hurting, the Original Series fans are happy they don't have to hear about Picard and Co. again and the casual fans liked it as an adventurous Romp. And the highest praise comes from people who never liked Star Trek to begin with.
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A planet full of peaceful people explodes. A person is sent through space to another planet to save others. A scene where someone is judged before a council. A scene on an ice planet. Growing up in Iowa. The villain chokes the good guy, etc.
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hahah but yeah ok maybe a little. but it was probably a lot like Home Alone too. I'll come up with reasons why.
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That is a professional analogy, but theres also alot of A New Hope going on too - Young brazen farm kid with bitchy step-parent, cantina scene, planet destroying super weapon, hit and run laser beam fights, banter between the main characters, elderly sage like character from another time that councils the new hero, it's about 3 or 4 different genre films combined.
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professionalisim. It was like ANH, too. We even had an older parent berating another because he wanted to join the Empire/Starfleet Academy.
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I must beg to differ with you that I am being selfich because I wanted this movie to at least PRETEND that it cared about the real history and legacy of these characters. Everyone calls this a "reboot", but this really just should have been another movie called something else. If you take it like that, then yeah, it was an okay science fiction, space traveling movie, as about as good as "Armegaddon". But you have to tread lightly when you attach the "Star Trek" moniker because there is a fanbase, and they can make or break your movie. You made an excellent point, that if they just made this a new crew it would have been "Star Trek" The Next, Next, Next Generation". But isn't that what we have now? An allegedly alternate timeline in an alternate universe with a bunch of characters who will not ever grow or eveolve into the characters we all know and love? What's the point? They really are just these characters in names only. Make this a new crew, and anew movie that expands on the universe, and I think the bitching then would have been limited to whether or not it was just another shitty Trek movie. Just my two cents though.
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first off, in Back to the Future, there were ALWAYS INFINITE timelines. when they screwed up something and ended up with an alternate timeline, they understood that that was the one they were in...they were stuck in it, once they changed something in the past, they were on to a NEW timeline. even if it contained many corrected things, it was new (Marty's parents are different, Biff is different, etc.) they never had some adherence to "getting back" to a timeline in reality, only in spirit, perhaps. they accepted NEW timelines, if they were better than the old ones. it was kinda the whole point.you wrote:
"I could honestly care less if Kirk, Sulu, or any other of the new timeline folks die because they aren't the "Real" timeline and I know they're just fine."first off, you mean "I COULDN'T care less". second, that is NOT an opinion shared by many viewers, trekkie or non-trekkie. so that's your bag, baby, sorry to say. it's not a flaw in the movie if it's only a small percentage of people that can't deal with it, yeah? you have to concede that.
also, Studio 60 was genius...
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it was the best possible solution. The Trek franchise is on life support. If this fails, all you're gonna get from here on is a comic. not only that. but it revisits the original crew in such a way that doesnt completely wipe out decades of continuity, but allows the writers creative freedom. Plus it was a kickass space adventure flick, which a its essence is what Trek is, and thats all that really matters anyway. if you dont think the actors did a good job on the characters, i dont know what to tell you. youre screwed i guess.
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Bob Orci in the Trek forums called it basically "Kirk Begins." I think that's a pretty fair analogy. It's the heroes journey. The young misguided but infinitely talented young man that gets the call to adventure in the middle of his ho-hum life, answers it, and sets off on the path towards the greatness he is to become. it has Joseph Campbell written all over it. It has alot of Kurisowa in it too.
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i disagree because i thought the actors nailed it, for the most part. Some more than others, but I thought they did a good job. if you disagree and thought they sucked, then i could see how it would be a failure. its just opinion i guess.
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sure, their experiences will be different, but their personalities are basically the same. thats a lot harder to change. and it wouldnt bother me if something did happen to make one or two change. its just another take.
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and here's how utterly boring it would be.
"Hi! I'm James Kirk, I'm a walking stack of books with legs. This is my friend Gary Micthell, Hi Gary. This bastard named Finnegan keeps taunting me but, I can't kick his ass since, well, Im a very serious student and a walking book with legs. Oh hey! There's Carol Marcus. Hi Carol, can we have sex so you can get pregnant with my illegitimate son? Ok then. Listen I have to go live at the colony so Kodos the executioner can kill half the colonists. I'll be back. Oh hi Areel Shaw, hi Ruth. Let's have sex. Listen I'm a Lieutenant now I will go serve on the Farragut a year or so. Ok that was fun. Except half the crew got killed by an energy cloud. That was unprofessional. Ok I'm back. Now Captain Pike is being promoted to Fleet Captain, Hi Chris nice to meet you. I'm Captain now. Yay. Where's Bones? Oh Hi Dr. Piper. Sulu! Stop playing with plants and man the helm. Where's Chekov? Oh we have to wait awhile he's below decks. Alright gang, let's go have a 5 year mission. After all, my life is canon and it only took 5 very very BORING films to get to this point, OR alot of flashbacks in a half hour TV movie.
FUCK you haters. Fuck you hard. Fuck you Long. And Fuck you permanently. You pieces of shit wouldn't know a good Star Trek film if it slapped you in the face with it's dick. No WONDER Nimoy said "the Trek fans don't know what they want. WE know what's good for them." -
sorry truth hurts
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...but they weren't playing the "characters" from Star Trek. They had their names, but it wasn't them. I can understand a certain amount of creative license, but the creators went too far. Like I said before, this was just a generic science fiction movie, passable at best, with a very weak and boring villain, and an already-used -repeatedly-before-in-a-Trek film planet destroying weapon. I think they only called this movie "Star Trek" so that this crap would have some brand recognition, and thus pump up their first week's grosses by getting the real fan base and the new crowds in at the same time. But the people who truly know and love Trek have spoken--as a Trek prequel it is a failure, because a true prequel would have been mindful of the things that have come before. And that is ultimately my long, belabored point. Just my two cents though.
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"But the people who truly know and love Trek have spoken--as a Trek prequel it is a failure, because a true prequel would have been mindful of the things that have come before. "
I just spoke. It completely disagrees. I'm a Star Trek fan, and I guaran-fucking-tee you my left ass cheek knows more about Star Trek than three-fourths of the fucking people posting on this forum. As a matter of fact, I read the Star Trek encyclopedia while I take a shit. All these same cocksuckers bitching, that bitched about how contrived and convient the Prequels were, would be throwing a shit-fit if every single line and dot ever mentioned in every God damn episode was included in a Prequel film of Star Trek. That would be the most boring, self-contained, anti-audience WATCHMEN piece of shit film ever made. -
Saw it,...it was ok,...the whole 1st sequence of birth was almost funny,...almost.....like after them arguing about his damn name.
Kinda hard to see Vulcan bully kids,..but not outta character for them as "young un's".
If they do do a trilogy,and put the OG time line back,...that would be ok by me.I give passes on origin films because they usually stuff too much info in them,...as they tried to do here.
I liked it,...not enough to wanna see it again in a damn theater though.I think the "untreksters" had to bring translators or something.
I thought the setup and productions looked and felt right for trek,...but the direction(JJ) sucked balls.Lens flares,shaky shaky cams,CGI looked like video game cut scenes(direction,..NOT quality),and the whole Spock/Uhura angle was waaay off base.
WTF,...Spock,..being Vulcan,..would STILL have an arranged marriage,..until the planet got eaten.....THEN the romance would make sense...but that's just the geek side of me.
It will be a money maker,..but as a trek fan flick,...it won't hold water past the DVD release.
And before I get stomped on,..for partially disliking it,...I don't hate on films,...I can see good in any film....there's more good than bad here,....and IMHO,..it's the director's badness....not anyone else's.Give the crew a good story,same budget,different director,...and all will be well for two more films. -
I live on the West coast and finally got to hear Nimoy call y'all dick heads. Beautiful.
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Come on guys, just got back from the flick and I have to say it is the best NEW story in the Trek timeline. How dare some of you just flat out bash this new RE-telling of the Trek time-line. Yes Shatner is the shit as the original Kirk, but really this is a whole new storyline and needs to be looked at in that light. I think JJ did an amazing job of respecting the source material and then took it a whole new viable direction to help create a new universe of very diverse options of storytelling. I am a Trek fan, no where near a core fan, but yet still a fan. Hell I even got my wife (yes I am married and well adjusted) to love Capt. Kirk for the fact he is hunky and accessable to today's standards. So yes, Classic Trek Rules, but you know the game has changed and the job is still being done right. Thanks JJ for giving Trek a whole new audience and new $$ cause that is really is what makes the Trek world go around.
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Yeah just saw Nemoy do the call out on SNL... he called it right. You sometimes just gotta take the chill pill and enjoy what has been given, and yes they tried to deliver the best. Don't damn them for trying... unlike Wolerine (apologies to Hugh who has tried to not let his ship sink) with their jack-ass writing team
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I dug Star Trek a lot. Hell I got a TNG uniform. It's awesome at Halloween parties. Pretty much lost interest in TNG at about the 4 or 5 season. The Last Star Trek film I liked before the new one is First Contact. Before this new movie, Star Trek got really formulaic IMO. I'd rather watch an alternate time line that modernizes TOS than sit through another evil clone story mixed with techno-babble. I really liked how it was like a sequel and prequel all in the same movie. Hell.... I'm gonna watch it more than once in the theater.
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I'd never seen a blue collar Romulan before. That was a nice touch. Better than another evil clone!!!
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Paul Giamatti as Samuel T. Cogley
Ron Pearlman as Ruk
Chris Cooper as Commodore Matt Decker
Jim Broadbent as Harry Mudd
Wes Bently as Gary Mitchell
Allen Cumming as Trelane
Don Cheadle as Dr. Richard Daystrom
Max von Sydow as Kodos the Executioner
Clancy Brown as Kor
Cillian Murphy as Garth of Izar
just thinking...
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That movie was the shit. I think he's done himself a mischief....
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Watched it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. Whoever was the casting director needs to get a raise as the people in each role was spot on. Can't wait to see if on Blu-ray and already looking forward to a sequel. Well done JJ and Bad Robot crew.
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cant believe nobody mentions that McCoy actually speaks to Nurse Chapel offscreen (we see him but not who he is talking to) and you hear Majels voice in the background say,"Yes, doctor".
Only two people besides me so far picked up on that and it wasnt until the second viewing. Its very quick but a very nice nod to Majel.
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Natalie Portman as Ilea
Ellen Page as Miri
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I think J.J. did a great job. If you're going to reboot the franchise, why not just reboot the Universe? It's like we've got the Earth-2 Star Trek now. This movie was so cool, you could chill your beer mugs in it.
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just watched it a few hours ago. Purely based on Merriks nice review earlier. This is the first star trek movie I have ever seen. Haven't even seen any of the tv shows. Wow I loved this movie!
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....to tell an untold origin story/mission of Kirk, Spock, et al, and the starship Enterprise, without spittting in the face of the fans who have kept this franhise going in all manner of mediums for two generations. You don't have to sit down and do a blow by blow dissertation of some boring part of the Trek backstory to reamain true to the source material. Frankly, a very small part of this movie-maybe 20 mins was really even backstory for the characters. Very little time was spent in Starfleet Academy, and "Kirk" was already a captain by the third act. This movie really is trying to be "Star Trek-the Early Missions", only the characters were not true to the chracters of yore, and Nimoy is a douche bag for not being able to handle some constructive criticism from the fans who are responsible for his f*cking paycheck.
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no, its the humorless twisted sad excuses for human beings who don't know good entertainment even when its blasting in their moronic faces in Imax.
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my god, i thought you people went back into your caves and gave up on life after Nemesis. some people are just too close and have invested too much of their identity in a tv show to accept any change whatsoever. i dont even know where to begin with you. "And who radically changed the design of ship's engine rooms from the slick panel covered engines from the original Trek into a obvious 21th century powerstation?
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will it save the franchise from certain death by retarded fanboys who demand everything stay the same? god i hope so.
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Wow this has become a timeline argument- interesting, but I think people would have far more readily accepted the timeline problems had the movie not been so goofy. I mean, even action –trek could have been fine, but the story was rather dumb, the action was pretty boring, and there was so much goofiness during what should have been dramatic scenes that the movie was just silly.
And it started out with some promise- George Kirks death was actually quite powerful (other than the battle becoming conveniently silent while talking to momma Kirk). Unfortuntaly it all went downhill from there.
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May 10, 2009 4:00:30 AM CDT
Orci in the Trek forums called it basically "Kirk Begins”
by 900lbgorilla
Really? Done well that would have been great, but what a pathetic “Kirk begins” this was.
During the movie we kept hearing about how Kirk was a genius and Bones called him a star (or whatever), but other than the goofy version of the Kobiashi Maru we don’t really see Kirk DO anything great except make the obvious decision to chase Nero and get his ass kicked repeatedly. Kirk CERTAINLY didn’t display command skills noteworthy enough to be handed Starfleet’s brand spanking new flagship 3 years out of noob-school. And that as one of the worst hackish things about this script. If you want a movie about Kirk begins- don’t keep TELLING the audience he’s great- show us that he is great (again at something other than getting his ass kicked and lucking out of death repeatedly through almost no doing of his own).
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May 10, 2009 4:07:11 AM CDT
joshuavance1701- unfortunately your cannon post was pointless
by 900lbgorilla
They didn’t have to show ANY of the stuff you listed in an origin story. Kirk had more to his life than screwing a specific chick, interacting with Finnegan, living on a colony, or serving on the Farragut.
They could have skipped over any section of his life they didn’t want to tell (Such as the Farragut) in a time jump - and just because he had problems with a guy named Finnegan and screwed Carol doesn’t mean that’s all he did in his early years- or even that he spent a noteworthy amount of time in those areas. So tell about another girlfriend-don’t mention Finnegan at all- who gives a rats ass. No one says JJ HAD to tell those stories in the original timeline. I mean did you really date one chick and argue with one guy and had that encapsulated your entire college life? (If so, that’s OK, maybe you just wouldn’t be source material for this movie). Bottom line is they could just as easily have told a completely different story that we didn’t know. Then again, as I mentioned before- the timeline stuff would have been FAR easier to forgive (and been far less a topic) had the story actually been compelling and the action dramatic. There was 100 times more drama watching Kirks dad die than anything we saw thereafter….basically the movie peaked in the intro and fell precipitously downhill thereafter –what a shame.
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right, because winning an unwinnable test, predicting an ambush, and stopping the Earth from being destroyed wasnt enough to show that. Its Star Trek. A captain's leadership abilities are judged by kicking ass, not supreme military maneuvers. you people seem to expect a rigid military simulation. have you ever watched star trek? its about captain's doing retarded shit like constantly putting himself in danger when he should be sending footsoldiers. You're incapable of seeing Trek for what it is: an adventure set in space. i think many of you should make your own Trek movie, and I will laugh my ass off at the MOST BORING MOVIE EVER. The crew will rise through the ranks realistically: over years and because of political ties. then they will send a bunch of nobodies out to fight while sitting safely in the bridge. ITS GONNA BE FUCKING AWESOME!
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A critic that didn't like it. Well done Mr Glenn Kenny.
And yes, this is a Trek for the ADD generation. I'll take the beautiful voyage inside V'ger with the accompaniment of one of the most beautiful scores of all time over this latest moronic effort.
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Hilarious. They really have it in for The Shat don't they?
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is Kirk's dads car at the beginning of the movie. I kind of think that's why that scene is in the movie. Say goodbye to Star Trek folks, and welcome to our car crash.
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Quality posts.
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except in Star Wars, Indian Jones, Aliens, Serenity, and about a billion other great movies. OH NOES IT GOES TOO FAST! THE CAMERA WOBBLED! where is the deep contemplation? Where is the reasoned debate? Where are the UN resolutions condemning the Romulan act of aggression! this is obviously for morons who are too dumb to enjoy true adventure movies, like um... well you know.
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'So I went and saw the thing anyway, and thought it was...cute. In parts. The scenario was a nifty bit of have-it-both-ways reverse engineering, although quite transparently (even proudly, one could say) built on beats: here's where we establish Scotty's engineering prowess, etc. etc. J.J. Abrams' cinematic sense indeed lacks—the action scenes are all jump-and-thud, with zero notion of spatial relations—but why single him out for that? (Aside from the obvious reason.) Who else directing action blockbusters these days has anything like a cinematic sense anyway? After John McTiernan and James Cameron more or less left the building, ain't nobody. (That's one reason I'm rather looking forward to Cameron's Avatar.) And beyond that...I'm blanking again. The thrill is gone.'
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Uh, there is no camera wobble in Star Wras, Indiana Jones or Aliens. They're beautifully filmed.
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actors will stare into cameras for hours at a time! the entire trip between starsystems will be filmed in real time! It will be 569 hours long and by virute of its complete lack of action or drama, will convince its viewers that its a misunderstood contemplative masterpiece. Watch the true awe of exploration captured when the crew psycho-analyze every minute detail of themselves. where do i buy my ticket?
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I even went to the trouble of showing you how to do para breaks to avoid giving us all migraines while trying to read your inane jibba-jabbaYou and me are done, professionally.
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I agree with you on the K-M test. I don’t get at all why people like that scene. What could have been a classic scene where everyone crapped their pants (As Kirk beat the test), we instead got extended gag-reel banter while Kirk munched on an apple. What garbage. And that’s not even getting into how silly it was that Darth Vader designed C-3PO …..errr… I mean how silly it was that Spock designed the K-M.
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I love The Motion Picture, as it has mood, ideas and themes in it, not just spastically edited action sequences and Simon Pegg turning in one of the worst screen performances of all time. I can understand why today's mall-swellers wouldn't be able to watch The Motion Picture though.
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yeah that Wrath of Khan and First Contact were mostly deep meditations on mankind's place in the universe. fancy laser beams and crazy spaceships are for the tiny ape brain morons who like shit like this new Trek.
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Yeah, but Wrath of Khan was brilliantly written and directed. That's where the flaws lie in this new Trek, not in the fancy laser bemas and crazy spaceships. Though those sequences could have been much better too!
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I can't wait for the next one.
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and i didnt see it in this. Fuck i though Cloverfield was the biggest pile of shit for those reasons. What quick edits or shaky cam i saw in this was minor and justified ( mostly on the unstable drill thingy and when they went into warp). Guess i was just enjoying it too much. Besides the generic villain and the utterly retarded kid Kirk car scene i thought it was great. I like that Kirk decided the test was bullshit and basically (i assume) didnt care if he got caught to prove a point. My only complaint is that he didnt get a chance to argue his point before they were interrupted.
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Though not by a massive amount - Ang Lee's Hulk had a bigger opening day than this new Trek. Interesting to see if the film has legs over the summer.
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Something like the original, but ugly, twisted and contorted into something that only vaguely resembles the orginal. At times, I even thought it was parodying Star Trek. Just my two cents though.
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First Kirk didn’t stop the earth from being destroyed- Spock did . (Not that either of these was due to the ability to command); Predicting the ambush was nice, but not nice enough to get a 3 year cadet a flagship command…..and uhhhh maybe you forgot, but they didn’t view the K-M as Kirk “showing leadership by winning an unwinnable test” in fact it was the EXACT OPPOSITE- they viewed it as CHEATING possibly worthy of expulsion (According to this story)_
Also I am not asking for pure reality genius- I am asking that Kirk do something that warrants amazement at his command or tactical ability (again aside form his ability to get punched in the face and choked better than anyone else in the movie coupled with the ability to escapes death mostly because people get distracted while killing or beating the hell out of him…you know some BASIC THING that shows he is better suited to lead than someone who would normally get command….i.e. some semblance of logic
Oh and by your “I’d love to see you make a better movie standards”, I’m judging that you must be a HUGE fan of The Phantom Menace- cause that’s the EXACT SAME lame-ass argument the defenders of that drivel were pathetically reduced to on a regular basis.
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this new Trek is playing in about 2 - 3000 more theaters than the old Trek movies.
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May 10, 2009 4:41:09 AM CDT
yes the pacing in this is much quicker than anything before
by bmacsmith
and you know what? IM COOL WITH THAT. It nailed the spirit of Star Trek, and as a bonus (dirty word coming up) its gonna be profitable! The original series strength is its wonderful characters and sense of awe, and to me, they nailed both. were there plotholes? sure. Did they 'gasp' change shit without explaining it in detail? yes. Is there room for improvement? yep. its also the best sci-fi space epic movie in years.
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..at least at 1st viewing. Cast did a fine job, but still had a 'Star Trek 90210' vib; spose the idea is they will 'become' the Kirk/Spock et al we all know and love over time. For a reboot the romulan look/ship kept making me think of the Reman in the last movie. Effects mostly impressive but would have enjoyed more close full-body shots of the ships (esp Enterprise) instead of all the micro and macro! (hard to enjoy the last battle because of this). Kirk and Old Spocks meeting? very convenient-thought there was going to be a scene showing Old Spock mind-melding with Young Spock-telling him to send Kirk to the ice planet! Think the next movie will be better as they can get right into the story with no set-up. Warp factor 10!!!
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He was sucked into a black hole. I was totally into seeing a black hole on film rather than in old Trek, have someone explain it to me with ten minutes of dialouge. Shit sakes. When I want to watch something about the nature of the universe I watch the History Channel show "The Universe" Star Trek is for fun... Warp? Dilithium? My question is what is Red Matter?
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The Spock Prime Basil Exposition scene was dreadful. And you guys are right about the Kobayashi Maru test, Kurtzman and Orci got that ass-backwards.
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Thanks for that. Did they show Nero die? I honestly can't remember. I remember the heroes beaming out and the ship being sucked into the black hole, but was there a shot of Nero dying?
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destroys your credibility. dogshit isnt that bad. its got like 96% on Rotten tomatoes (i know i know critics dont mean squat except of course when they agree with you). Most people coming out of the theatre are seem to like it. Are you really trying to convince me it has no quality? Not liking it is fine, but saying its lowest common denominator drivel like GI Joe is pure bullshit.
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May 10, 2009 4:52:44 AM CDT
'Most people coming out of the theatre are seem to like it'
by kwisatzhaderach
Not the screening I saw it at!
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May 10, 2009 4:56:53 AM CDT
Right Horn, because the low budget crap before was so great
by bmacsmith
good movies today are the same as good movies from any time. good characters, good story, entertaining. If the story requires great special FX, then it should have it. If not than cut it. People have a massively overblown sense of self importance when they suggest a movie is shit because of a dumbing down of society rather than their own personal tastes. Am i to assume you think critics have also devolved into believing shit like Epic Movie is great? How then do you explain it?
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In a time of crisis do you stop to form a committee to establish chain of command? Shit sakes when the Earth is being invaded do you think that would be a good time to stop a sort out the bureaucracy? The cheating scene was awesome. Kirk's got a chip on his shoulder!! You think he wouldn't given he's a part of a Starfleet legacy?
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I just wanted that to be clear. Since you can CGI that bit of dialog nowadays. As a Trek fan I had to admit that.
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Sorry for being so right man....
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A black hole's gravitation is a death sentence. They suck you in 1 atom at a time. Light can't escape it's gravity. If you fell in one you would die. Light can not escape a black hole. Whatever dilitium is, I guess it's good for causing the centers of black holes to immediately expand or something.
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It's late in my timezone
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It is what it is!! Forget everything you know and check your brains!!! Enjoy with an icy Slurpee!!!
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Lighten up for Bale's sake!!!
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Yeah adjust for inflation and this movie is not even that impressive BO wise.
Then they have a reported $165M budget to recover which means x 2 is the usual formula as theatres get 45% after the opening weekend=$330M minimum just to cover their costs.
With the amount of advertising they have done I guess they need more like $400M++ to cover their costs.
This movie has made $31M after 1.5 days and will most likely have $65-70M in the US for the weekend then less overseas so around the $120M mark for the opening.
Competition and WOM will destroy this mid week. Most mainstream audiences will just avoid it so by week 2 new movies will mean it gets quickly forgotten.
The level of praise still is frightening however.....
Kubrick was right when he had General Jack D Ripper say the following: "I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
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Except now they are using this foreign substance for some form of mind control!!!!
Its staggering that this trash is rated 8.6 on IMDb yet Dr Strangelove is only a 8.7!!!!! Which proves my point again!
Peace out.
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http://tinyurl.com/pmmlsa
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Did I say that? Yes I did.
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and watch them!!!!
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This is a film that will inspire a generation of kids. You had your science fiction films when you were a kid. Now it's another generations turn. Sit back and enjoy a film that will help shape the imagination of the next generation. That's a wonderful thing. It may not be what you wish it could be for you... but if you truly love Star Trek and truly love science then you will love the positive effect this film will have on it's intended audience. A genius is sexy and powerful. He may not be as tough or as big as his opponents, but he's smarter. Remember the last movie that taught kids that being smart was a positive thing that they could aspire to? Exactly.
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oh wait i forgot. no it has to be just reflex. their enjoyment of the movie is irrelevent. sorry all the Epic Movies have lowered my expectations to nothing.
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Yeah I know a black hole means death dude. Only asking if there was a shot of Nero dying, did Kirk kill him? I honestly can't remember.
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the last film with an intelligent sexy hero was of a certain prof of archeology. Star Trek is Indy Jones for this generation.
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Food for thought!!! It does have a Russian and Korean at the helm, so your point is well made!!!!
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Did you just suggest Star Trek was a better film than the Empire Strkes Back?
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they dont explain the force! the characters are just corny caricatures! Why didnt they check that pod for droids? X-Wings couldnt fly in space! The dialogue was written for children to sell toys. its lowbrow shit. where is the contemplation? this is like a dumbass western in space for hicks! Why isnt it rated R! They used screen wipes? Lucas is a hack! every complaint ive heard about Star Trek can be applied to most of the great scifi movies of the past. You are too old to enjoy this type of movie now.
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thats the most ridiculous shit i ever heard. even most bombs make a profit.
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Not at all. If Star Wars came out today it would be massive, and certainly make more than $24 million on its first day of release!
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May 10, 2009 5:41:30 AM CDT
Asimov, Roddenberry hated TWOK. Then tried to take credit for S
by reflecto
He fought Meyer and Bennett all the way, screaming that Trek would not be militaristic or action-packed, even though endless episodes on TOS were. Later, after it was a hit, he organized a protest against Meyer during development of TUC to make sure "fan favorite" Saavik was not the Vulcan traitor in the film, leading to the creation of Kim Cattrall's character Valeris. There is no one size fits all "good" or "bad" side to this, despite your "two dimensional thinking." TWOK was wonderful, but it was largely a "submarine thriller" in space. It was not about grand ideas. TMP was, and could've been very good but failed in execution and is merely passable IMO. And "First Contact" is the ONLY good TNG movie and still not up to snuff with TWOK, TUC, TVH or even TMP. I'd put it behind all four plus TSFS. It too is not a movie about "big ideas" - it's a shoot-'em-up with the TV series' most popular villain. Remember "assimilate this" and Troi getting wasted? Yeah, that was the height of heady writing. AS FOR THE CONTINUITY/HOW DID THEY ALL GET ON ENTERPRISE debate others are having - I think the beauty of the movie is that despite Nero's best efforts, and all the changes to the timeline, this group of people was too unique to not come together one way or another; destiny finds a way, just like it did with Sisko and co. according to the Prophets on DS9. And BTW, I hope they don't do Khan again. There's no redoing him, you can't top TWOK so don't try, especially after Nero was "Khan Lite." At best, introduce Khan but as an utterly different character, an antihero or something.
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but im sure guys like you would try your hardest to shit all over it.
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yeah i saw the movie did you? At the end of the movie Spock prime is apparently not concerned about time paradoxes or the universe crumbling from messing about with the timeline. He can't travel to the future and tell himself to shake a leg with his planet-saving ball of Sherman Williams because that timeline doesn't exist anymore (BTW what is it with JJ and giant balls of liquid? Anyone remember Alias?). But that doesn't prevent him from getting a ship, going BACK in time to Vulcan AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST and warning the Vuilcan high council or at least his freakin' parents about the exact stardate that a maniac is gonna blow up their planet. Or going back in the past to that date and laying in wait with a ship to blast Nero's drill doohickey.
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There is a lot of ideas in Khan though, Kirk and McCoy talking about getting older, Kirk talking about his life that could have been and wasn't with Carol Marcus.
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wayyyy too much Trekkie stigma attached to this franchise. and as much as you would love to attach the lower take to JJ Abrams, you know damn well a lot of people wont see it because it a Trek movie.
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Well, Sith took $50 million its first day in less theaters, more than double Trek's take. Keep dreaming.
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thats not how it works. except sometimes it is. and sometimes it isnt. usually its an accident, accept in that whale movie. to be honest none of it makes any sense, but thats not this movies fault.
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Why would I shit over Star Wars? It's brilliantly made, a classic. Star Trek, um, isn't.
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It is the fault of Kurtzman and Orci neither of whom can write for shit.
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the point is you would be shitting all over it. pointing out the logic flaws, the plot holes, the corny characters, the silly dialogue, the mindless action, the mediocre editing. None of your complaints about this movie couldnt be applied to Star Wars IV. youre just too old now to appreciate it.
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But I wouldn't - because Star Wars doesn't have the flaws that Trek has! Comprende? I still love sci-fi shoot 'em up movies when they're done well.
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The editing in Star Wars is mindblowing, two quick examples: Han shooting at the stormtroopers leaving Mos Eisly and the final trench run. Star Wars is brilliantly edited by some of the best in the business, and won the Oscar for Best Editing. Star Trek's editing, in comparison, is shitty.
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And you can claim Genesis is one but I think that's a stretch; it's mostly a McGuffin. Others are talking about Big Science or Philosophy a la Roddenberry's manifesto, which he rarely followed in later years or at times, on TOS. What I'm saying is often the most successful latter-day entries of the series have not had that. What TWOK excelled in was action and CHARACTER, and I feel the new film has that as well. It's not as good as TWOK, but it's (IMO) the third best film of the series behind TWOK and TUC, and very good.
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I'm not concerned.
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in fact this is the only Trek film that I would compare to the original StarWars. It definitely blows away anything in the prequels. I've just blown your mind havent i? You cant believe i said that. I think you should watch this movie again.
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I missed the character and drama in the new movie, and I thought the writing was really poor. Not one memorable line of dialogue for me. Glad you enjoyed it though.
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Khan is barely established, they mostly coast on good dialogue and Ricardo's tour de force; there is little touchstone for the non-Trekker audience as to who he is, and yet he dominates because he is so charismatic and so well-written. From there the movie zips along from plot point to plot point with almost no actual interaction between Khan and anyone on Enterprise. And you don't notice that unless you look for it, because the film is so great. NuTrek is the same way. But people are looking.
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I'm no prequels defender. I'm talking about the original Star Wars.
Funnily enough I have to sit through Trek again on Tuesday night as I said I'd go see it with an old schoolmate. So we'll see how it stacks up on a second viewing.
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May 10, 2009 6:08:40 AM CDT
IN A FEW MONTHS, I WILL HAVE ST, WATCHMEN & TERMINATOR BALEVATIO
by bringingsexyback
on DVD. Life is good.
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im out this mofo!
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This time check your brain at the door, and enjoy it for what it is. See it in Imax if you can.
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I thought it rivaled Wrath of Khan as the best Trek movie, and their are people here bashing the movie as utter crap.In the spirit of AICN's glitch that is posting articles from 10 years ago, I think if this site was around when The Godfather or The Godfather Part II, there would still be people trashing the film mercilessly.
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Cheers. I'll have my second viewing a la Spock's Brain.
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Going back and forth between storylines was fucking distracting!!!! Also, never trust a guy named hymen.
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you broke my heart."
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Bit of a stretch between Star Trek and The Godfather Part II there. Now Jaws 2 on the other hand...
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For a play about two tramps killing time it really is some piece of work.McKellan and Stewart have totally different acting styles though. McKellen is utterly convincing physically as a tramp. The way he shuffles around and speaks you actually think he might smell if you got too close. Patrick Stewart, on the other hand, brings the heart and soul to the piece - completely dominating the stage and generating more emotional sympathy.Me and my fiance (hee hee) have not stopped discussing it since. A play that seems to have a very small scope but in fact covers some very big things.
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May 10, 2009 6:24:21 AM CDT
This will save the franchise from the fist-fucking hardore fanba
by keeper of chimps
One thing that keeps people out of the theaters for Star Trek movies are having to sit with the fuckers who are complaining about this movie. THERE WAS NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT! Go eat out your mom!
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..was about three rows back from us.I passed her on the stairs at the interval. GOD DAMM!
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i'm going to take your view that the 'black hole' Nero and Spock came through actually sent them not simply back in time but to a parallel reality a la 'Mirror, Mirror'. Now i can enjoy both 'new' and 'old' Trek. Just wish they'd said it in the movie.
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as a life-long Trek fan, since back in the 70's during first run syndication, and having lived with the many ups and downs, triumphs and tragedies associated with the series, I never in my life would have thought I'd be witnessing a Star Trek resurgence on this order of magnitude.
For a Star Trek film to be tracking on the same level as typical Oscar winners and genre defining films is probably an achievement I never thought to see in my life-time. This post-modern Star Trek is making serious waves. While I don't presume it would ever win any Oscars, to recieve the critical reception typically reserved for Oscar winning films is a true benchmark moment for all keepers of Treks flame.
Star Trek has exceeded adjusted for inflation all weekend openings of any previous Trek film, annihilated the stigma associated with the franchise, and dipped over into mainstream popularity.
This film was not titled correctly, it should have been Star Trek: Renaissance. This film is EPIC WIN. -
I can't take credit for that one man, that one came straight from Bob Orci in the Trekmovie forums.
Universe A still exists as it always did. Spock Prime is now stuck in Universe B. That's the only difference. That's what's throwing alot of people. It isn't standard time travel device being used.
The Black Hole pulled Nero and Spock Prime to another reality and universe. Not just back in time in the original universe. Once Nero killed George Kirk, it fucked up the timeline in Universe B. That's where things started changing, Kirk originally went into the academy at 18 years old. Without George, now 25 years old.
Elder Spock gets things BACK on track after the deviation, by making sure Kirk and crew are doing their thing, around the same basic time in history, in both universes. -
1.Jar Jar Binks (the Stephen Fetchet of SW. I heard of a Predalien, but a Rastalien?WTF!)
2.Pod Race
3.That fucking annoying kid, Jake whatshisname that played young Anakin.Where did Georgie discover that non acting brat, at Chuckie fucking Cheese?!?4.The retread of the New Hope's dogfight/deathstar moment in which the lil' bastid saves the day.5....well actually I did love the fight between Darth Maul and Obi with memorable score; Duel of the fates.I'll see the new ST and judge for myself to see if it falls into the same catagory as TPM.....or not. -
I went with my 14 year old son who has only seen a little bit of classic trek. We both loved it. It hit so many notes just right. There were many moments that could have been awful if handled by the actor or film maker just a shade differently. It is such an unlikely success. Everyone was dying for a high quality rebooted Batman when it came along. While many people weren't dying to see Iron Man brought to the screen, lots of people are now eating up movies based on comic book subjects, so it is part of that larger whole. Star Trek needed something spectacular to be brought back, and we got it. Even some of the things that bother me come across as subtle homages to the origins of the series. Specifically when young Kirk finds Spock in the cave...it brought me out of the movie a little...BUT...the original series and movies had moments of unbelievable coincidence....in a way, the improbability of it all is part of Star Trek legacy. What a great way to start the summer season.
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AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. You've simply GOT to be fucking kidding me.
Buddy, I hate to tell you three people that are downing on this movie, YOU my friend are the VERY small minority.
Are you still pissed they cancelled Shitterprise or something or what?
This is almost LAUGHABLY bad. This movie was almost guaranteed, a set-up to FAIL horribly. Yet popping BO numbers and phenomenal critical reaction say otherwise. You are tired my friend. It's best to hang it up before you embarass yourself further. -
Do you honestly think in all truth there won't be a God damn McDonalds or any corporations 200 years from now? Are you that naive? product placement? Is that the worst you can throw at this excellent movie?
I bet your idea of "good" science-fiction is Waterworld and The Core isn't it?
So fucking WHAT the movie had internal inconsistencies, not only did ALL of CANON Star Trek especially the first season when the time period jumped from 200 years into out future to 700 years on a whim, but I challenge, I challenge you to name me ONE motion picture, just one, that doesn't have internal consistencies. You are a sophist. You went into this movie with the complete wrong attitude. The intention isn't to analyze it to death, ANY movie to death, its to ENJOY the film for what it is. I'm SORRY you are incapable of feeling and expressing the simple pure delight of joy. Maybe that's something you need to have checked out, but to get on here and suggest a movie sucks, to give such a blanket fucking statement based on NOTHING but your own opinion, when everything else going on in the REAL world suggests its NOTHING but an epic winner, frankly makes you look very very ignorant and uninformed, certainly detached from reality. Alright, it didn't work for you. FINE. We get it. But do you seriously think trying to convince someone else that DID love it, that it sucked is going to work?
If you are interested in just arguing for the sake of arguing minutia and plot points, that shit storm of barren logic can be applied to any motion picture ever made. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone going into a movie like some sort of hackneyed half ass arm chair critic going out of their way to FIND fault in the thing. Christ almighty why waste your 10 bucks when you can just stay home and play videos games.
I've lived and breathed Trek all of my life, a LONG long time, I know shit Trek when i see it, and I know outstanding Trek when i see it. This movie captured the quintessential spirit of EVERYTHING that Star Trek represents.
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YOUR notions of what Trek represent failed alright? That's the bottom line here. Bland, neutral, uninspired, faux-scientific, overly PC Trek FAILED miserably. It died. People were not tuning in. People were not paying attention. Like it or not, Star Trek is a product. And for a product to be viable, it has to be commercially succesful. The shit was. Not. working. two series and three films FAILED miserably, turned off LIFE-LONG fans like me, and alienated anyones curiosity from discovering Gene Roddenberrys wonderful universe.
Now, maybe you're content to relegate Star Trek to the national archives and be a product of a bygone era. I'm NOT. i think it's too important of a concept to leave in the 20th century. This movie is precisely the breath of fresh air to invigorate a tired , stale franchise that it needed. It is working, and you can claim to be a star trek fan and bitch about that?? ANY Star Trek "fan" should be anything but a elitist, pretentious snob wanting the shit only for yourself, and feel validated, that Star Trek as a concept NOW MOVES FORWARD AGAIN. -
Let's face it. Star Trek movies, particularly the ones with the original cast were cornball to the extreme. Embarrassing, really. But we Trek fans tried to enjoy them anyways. Some of us even managed to fool themselves into thinking a few of movies were great. Well, Abrams just blew the lid off that little delusion. The new Star Trek film puts all the others to shame (except, perhaps, First Contact). By comparison, The Wrath of Khan is now relegated to 'bad joke' status. Old stick-in-the-mud Star Trek fans must be pissed. I think it's great. Star Trek now has a future.
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Why do people defend movies as though any slight against it is a personal attack on them? I have a theory on this.
My theory is this: People are desperate to ‘experience’ the next ‘greatest’ whatever. Why, because it’s exciting. Excitement is the drug of choice among the today’s medicated society. The only thing that moves these people are the highest highs or the lowest lows. The greatest. The worst. Anything in between is boring.
Movie studios, marketers know this, of course. They payoff reviewers, send out the viral guys to pump-up hysteria with fake fan reactions. They slyly insulate correlations to other, better films. They know it’s far easier to market a bad film than to make a good one.
After months of this, the general population slowly falls in line. If the ‘mass’ likes it, it must be great, right? They’ll start talking about ‘gross’ levels and Rotten Tomato percentages. They trumpet these things as if they are the true measure of a film and gloss over any tricky things like plot-holes and, heaven forbid, character development. They want to be ‘entertained’ they claim. They don’t want to think. That’s too much work.
There are pockets of resistance, naysayers that just will not conform. These people are vilified, labeled as ‘haters.’ Their views are dismissed based on spelling mistakes instead of content. Debate becomes a ‘game’ of technicalities. Most of this is done by viral damage control, people that studios send out to discredit any critical views, via message boards and chat rooms. Eventually, the marketers win because it’s easier to conform. Most people need to be apart of the ‘herd.’ The rest are dismissed as ‘basement dwelling geeks.’
By now, the movie has moved beyond Internet chatter and well into mass hysteria. According to the public, the move has to be great. It has to be the ‘greatest movie event’ in history, ‘the greatest science fiction film of all time.’ It has to be. Anything less would be boring, and that’s just not tolerated.
Eventually, the hype wears off. Six months later, people will revisit the movie via DVD and Blu-Ray, when it’s less fashionable and exciting, and they’ll shake their heads in dismay. They’ll wonder to themselves, “What the hell was I thinking?!”
Sadly, they won’t have a clue.
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No shit Sherlock Eugenics wars in the 90's, World War III in 2050 whatever, I've seen the episodes too a google amount of times, you are missing the basic point, if you get caught up and hung up on a Nokia product placement, you completely miss the whole point of the entire thing and are clearly an anal retentive quasi-fan just pissed that the film isn't what YOU wanted it to be rather than judging it on it's own merits. That's sad. Or maybe you are just an embittered Picard or Archer fan unhappy to see Kirk or Spock being the emphasis again. Either way, the fact you didn't like it is probably a blessing to Paramount and the future of Star Trek. if it had been what YOU wanted, we'd have another God damn Bomb like Nemesis to push Trek even further in the ground. Thank GOD in heaven "fans" aren't calling the shots. I personally think Bob Orci was TOO polite and interested in chiming in and seeing what the "fans" thought. Fuck the "fans", we get older, we get close-minded, our attitudes dry up and change.
Star Trek appealed to the kids in the 60's when it came out, havent you fucking people claiming to be fans read anything about it's history? It was young, open-minded college kids that launched Star Trek, not older jaded, close-minded hacks.
People bitching about this movie miss the whole God damn point that Star Treks future is ASSURED now. It will go on. A whole new young generation is tuning in and learning about it. THAT'S the true win here with this movie. -
It’s been said that there is no capitalism in Star Trek. Perhaps there is no buying or selling in Star Fleet or on board a star ship, but if your argument against products like Nokia or Budweiser existing in the future is that the entire human race just decided to embrace Karl Marx one day, well, that’s pretty dumb.
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http://outlawve rn.com/2009/05/10/st ar-trek-2009/#more-4537
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You are absolutely right, except for one thing: no matter how high the box office, the haters will always be there to whine like little spoiled brats. So do what I do. I read just the by-line of established whinerbabies, such as Assimovlivid, and just skip over their post. Thoughtful critique is welcome, but pathological hater flakes are not worth anyone's time but their own.
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Oh wait I thought this was a Lost talkback sorry
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You both bring class and a true sense of the big picture to this talkback. Thanks to you.You, too, NoHubris! Nice to hear from you again. How ya doin'? And speaking of BSG, did you like the touches brought in from that into this film? Just enough, but not too much, IMHO...
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You have made the original Star Trek series in your mind something it never was.
Original Trek and the new film have FAR more in common than differences. What classic Trek have you been watching anyway?
Villain of the week? check
phaser fights? check
dodgy science? check
comedy? CHECK
characters not taking themselves too seriously? Check
GLARING internal inconsistencies? Check
Product placement? CHECK
Kirk banging whatever girl? Check
Contrivances and plot holes? Check
Improbable dialogue? CHECK
Wildly erratic acting from one episode to the next from the major players? Check
But you know what what it had more than any followup series that is so critical, and has what this movie has? Sheer, juvenile, FUN. Fun in spite of itself.
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goes back to the very beginning my friend.
You know your Vulcan IDIC symbol? PURE, unadulterated, blatant, beautiful, capitalism in action.
Gene wanted to make some money, so lincoln enterprises, his company, came up with the symbol, bam, he put it on Spock to sell the thing. -
If so then why isnt his Trek review posted here? Harry literally posted every other single fucking review he could find but not our beloved Verns??
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with those last few posts you have betrayed your mentality and where you're truly coming from.
Let's see, I have loved Star Trek all my life, when it wasn't popular, now I love it when it is slightly more popular, and I am doing so to get pussy?
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Obviously Roddenbeery had some notion of human nature that was ridiculous in the extreme. Everyone living in peace and harmony. GMAB. If the criticism of Abrams is because he jettisoned that brain dead ideal, then I submit it is the critic that is brain dead.
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To combine the quotes of both Shatner and Nimoy,"Get a life, Dickheads"
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Leonard Nimoy approved. That makes it official. Asimov stop posting now. Your mom needs you to take out the trash.
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Abrams gave Star Trek the realism and authenticity it needed to survive into the 21st century. Some people are mourning the loss of their innocent childhood where Shatner was a good actor and Star Treks monster of the week was high art. Face it. TOS was one step above Lost in Space and the TOS movies were no better. Abrams brings a much needed maturity to the franchise without the antiseptic dullness on the TNG years. FINALLY someone got it RIGHT!!!
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This movie is incredibly overhyped. JJ Abrams, at times, pulls off some amazing sequences that have me wondering if he's the next Spielberg, but ultimately, his scripts suck ass. His mixture of familiar worlds like Star Trek and Mission Impossible with shows like Felicity really doesn't sit well with me. Anyone remember the scene in MI3 where Ving Rhames is asking Tom Cruise when he's going to pop the big question while in the middle of an impossible mission? Ughhh. That's exactly what I'm talking about. If Abrams could stop doing shit like that, or giving Kirk fat hands and drawing the jokes out too long he could possibly become the golden child of film-making everyone already thinks he is.
Star Trek was muddled as hell and never sat still enough to have genuine moments with its characters. The cast did a great job of having fun and elevating a poor script, which surprises me because they were the part that worried me the most going in. The writing was forced and hackneyed. When old Spock turned around at the end and said "We are not our father" I wanted to throw up. And why again did Scottie beam aboard the enterprise with Kirk? I missed that.
Not a terrible movie, I was entertained a hell of a lot more than I was Wolverine. But I had high hopes for this movie and I just can't bring myself to love it without question the way most of you are. Wrath of Khan still holds the title bitches. -
"Jay Jay's Paris Hilton Trek"
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Not to interrupt your rant or anything, but how can you possibly say the movie had no theme, when it CLEARLY was a pair of intertwined coming-of-age stories [Kirk's and Spock's]. You know, one of the primary themes in the history of Western literature. It didn't have an overt POLITICAL theme, like many TOS episodes, but that's not the same as having no literary theme. This film really quite easily fits in with episodes such as "Charlie X", "The Enemy Within", "The Corbomite Maneuver", "Balance of Terror", "The Galileo Seven", "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Amok Time", "The Doomsday Machine", "Obsession", "Assignment: Earth", "The Enterprise Incident", and "The Tholian Web", all of which have striking thematic similarities to the script here. In fact, the movie is more thematically complex, since it combines many of the themes from those episodes. Not every last episode or film is going to be "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", dude.
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that was a fantastic post..i am glad people like you you still exist...thank you
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So Roddenberry had this vision for the future, where everyone would hold hands and sing Kum-Ba-Yah, there would be no need for money, and everyone would work together for the good of the Federation. My thoughts on this stem from Lily from First Contact: "No money? You mean you don't get paid?"Despite Roddenberry's vision, the TOS characters still seemed like real people with real emotions. But starting with TNG, getting worse in DS9 and really bad in Voyager, the characters ceased being people. Everyone acted like a damn Vulcan. No internal conflicts, no resentment between staff members. It was self-righteous and nauseating. Enterprise tried to correct this, but missed the mark on other things.So Nokia and Budweiser are not allowed to exist without money? Mobile devices are made by an unnamed company, or by the government? No beer, or is that made by the government too?Geez. I think the haters need to go back and masturbate to old Voyager episodes.
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Like I said before this movie was popcorn. Tastes great, you can enjoy eating it but when it's gone you're left with an empty bag. Didn't hate but didn't love it either. It's was funny but so was dumber and dumber and that doesn't mean that movie was great story telling either. As for making money at the box office.. So did Crystal skull. One of your favourite heroes is back in an all new adventure of course that's going to bring in the crowds but that doesn't mean they're all going to love it. Granted it's scifi but seriously.. Escaping a massive explosion after blowing up a blackhole with their warp core? How did they do that? Engage their fridge shields? As for Red matter? Who invented that? Professor Farnsworth? Good news everyone... I've invented a plot device that will blow up Vulcan. Now you have to be very careful with this red matter for a mere drop of it could destroy a star with a powerful and destructive blackhole which is why I'm filling up your ship with it :P As for being a dickhead.. Now anyone who actually threatens the stars over this movie is yes a dickhead but to label all those fans who do not absolutely love this movie a dick head is a rather sad human and illogical response which only lead to more equally illogical human responses in turn. In response to Mr Nimoy’s sad comment if I were Vulcan I believe my response would be "go to hell."... If I were Vulcan. :P The movie was okay but I was expecting a meal as I'm sure several other fans were. For those just showing up to the movie getting popcorn is good. However for the rest of us expecting to the grand meal of exploring the human condition in the backdrop of space we now have to go home and reheat some leftovers.
May you all live long and prosper and hopeful we will all get a more fulfilling meal from JJ’s sequel Star Trek 2: Wrath of the lens flare. Arggg it burns… The plot makes no sense and my eyes are gone. :P -
I really don't see what people are complaining about. The focus on the characters over action is always a win in my book.
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"I say it as a laugh, because the movie itself didn't provided much of that way. Not proper real comedy, anyway." You do realize that TOS featured so much deliberately broad comedy and bad punning that they actually had a "here's a really stupid joke" leitmotif in the score?
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I thought the Kirk/Spock dynamic was treated quite well. In a place where shows like Battlestar are bashed for being soap operas in space...strange to see people clamoring for it from star trek. Classic case of people just not knowing WHAT they want anymore.
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"Granted it's scifi but seriously.. Escaping a massive explosion after blowing up a blackhole with their warp core? How did they do that? Engage their fridge shields?" This was the only plot hole I heard people complaining about that actually stands up. A warp ship shouldn't have a problem escaping a black hole, since the gravitational pull of the hole equals the speed of light, and a warp ship can exceed the speed of light. But that's a nitpick, since the science of Star Trek has always been absurd.
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The Star Trek movies as meals
The Motion picture: A nice meal.. takes a while to eat digest though
Wrath of Khan: Hells yah this stuff is great. Please sir… can I have some more
The Search for Spock: Very good meal as well. More of a desert but very tasty and fulfilling
The Voyage Home: Who ever would have thought whale would taste sooo good
The Final Frontier: Waiter… could you please send this back and have the chef actually cook this
The Undiscovered Country: Diner and a show. How delightful. I’ll have seconds please.
Generations: The chef is gone and a new guy is here. Not as good as previous meals but still good
First Contact: Well this new guy has really hit it off here. I can only look forwards to my next meal
Insurrection: I’m now looking backwards to my other meals… trying not to throw up
Nemesis: You killed my favourite chef and replaced him with a retard? Check Please!!
Bonus
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May 10, 2009 9:48:44 AM CDT
wasrship shouldn't have a problem..massive explosion warp core..
by knowthyself
..and I thought I was a big fucking nerd.
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sorry about the spacing in that last post. thought I had it right but I guess it doesn't translate well when posting.. ah well :P
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Can't wait to see this in IMAX!!!
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Sorry about that.
Okay, folks, here goes: if you hate the movie, YOU hate the movie. Stop generalizing your negative reaction as if it were some objective thing.
Personally, I love this movie. But I know that there are many people who are going to spew chunks all over this movie because it fucks with "the canon", and "the timeline".
I say, fuck that. There is more than enough of old Trek, with all those wonderful episodes on DVD to say that the old Trek still exists.
And you know what? I'm glad. Trek can update its fights, it's shooting style, it's stories, its physics, and so on and so forth, without having to consult a phonebook-thick volume of backstory to sync everything up to the rest of the franchise.
I'd say that as long as the rest of the adventures remain on DVD, more power to them.
The movie itself was stunning, funny, emotional, and included quite a bit of geeky science, for those who knew where to look.
Let's spot a few example: Spock's different exit from the other side of that black hole, which could be explained by his different trajectory through it, and the fact that the time difference seemed to be only seconds- if you know your relativity, this is especially geekworthy (oh, and that's why Nero's waiting 25 years. Kirk isn't his target, Spock is.) I loved the rise from Titan's atmosphere. I liked the fact that engineering looked a bit more like engineering, than shiny tubes and glowing rods.
While running into Spock Prime on the planet was kind of a coincidence, it was forgivingly convergent. To wit: The planet was obviously close enough to Vulcan in order to allow Spock to see his homeworld destroyed. If it was Spock's purpose to drop off the mutinous Kirk someplace close before going to warp, that same planet would be convenient for the same purpose.
As far as Nero goes, I would say this, first and foremost: the guy is not in his right mind. He's driven by his trauma, his anger. Is he going to think of constructive ways of preventing the tragedy? No, he probably won't, especially since, from his point of view, everybody else (including his own government) already failed to prevent his personal tragedy from occuring. I think it's not good critical theory to expect people in the movies to act rationally when people in real life don't act rationally all the time either.
As for going back in time ala ST:IV? If you recall, that had a crippling effect on the control systems of the Klingon Bird of Prey they used. Now say you brought back an armada of Starfleet vessels in that way. You're essentially putting all your eggs in one system's basket, with Nero keeping his warp-capable vessel. Not exactly a good idea.
Also: we can't be certain that the method in question is all that accurate. Imagine how twisted and tortured and implausible the story becomes then.
What I like about the time travel in this case is just how irreversible it is, how accidental. They're stuck like Chuck.
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I wasn't that impressed. The film looked grainy at times, like when you expand a low-res picture. I think I would have been just as happy, or happier, seeing it on a conventional screen.
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Time travel: Overused. Like the holodeck, it should be off limits to Star Trek writers forever. ...... Coincidence: Kick meeting Spock in the ice cave. What was up with that? And that big 'ol monster being scared away by a small flame on a stick??? ...... Scotty in the plumbing: WTF? ......
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1. Did anyone else notice how many times Kirk was hanging on the edge of things? Once after the bit with the car, once on the edge of the mining platform, and once inside the Romulan ship. That's a lot of hanging in my book.
2. When Spock mind-melded with Kirk, it showed the destruction of the Kelvin. Yet neither one of them was there. How could the mind-meld produce images of something that neither one of them witnessed?
3. If you can warp from a planet to a spaceship travelling across space at warp speed, why bother with spaceships at all? Why not just beam everywhere?
4. Not to get all Kevin Smith here, but Nero's ship was huge, and I can imagine it took a pretty big crew to operate it. Hundreds maybe? Thousands? Remember, it was a huge ship. In the end of the movie, when Nero refused to surrender, they all died. Basically, the Enterprise let them die because their leader is an asshole. Maybe there were more reasonable members of his crew who would have preferred to live? Understandably, for thme all to get sucked into the black hole might been the most pragmatic resolution, but the fact that Kirk and Spock couldn't have been happier about it didn't sit well with me.
5. Finally, like any nerd worth his stripes, I know that McCoy/Kirk/Spock usually represented the Id/Ego/Superego in most stories. Kirk had to balance the input from McCoy's emotionalism and Spock's logic. But this movie seems to make the struggle between Kirk as Id and Spock as Superego, upsetting the original balance. Doesn't that seems out of whack to anyone else? I can understand Abrams etc. wanting to go in new directions, but wasn't the original structure of the triumverate something we would have preferred to keep? -
Shut the fuck up. It's one thing to dislike a film, it's another to be an asshole who continually has a 'fuck you for enjoying this' stance.
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...OR admit that you were NEVER going to like it. That must suck. Not being able to enjoy something that pays so much respect to the original while getting the franchise out of the crapper. I haven't seen a Trek movie since Undiscovered Country, which I couldn't tell you ANYTHING about. Most of the previous franchise movies SUCKED. This one rocked.
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No shark jumping but that scene with Scotty in the tube was AWFUL. Stuck out like a sore thumb. Fuckign slapstick bullshit on par with Shia monkey swinging. Otherwise a decent flick.
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As was Shatner on SNL 20 years ago.
Any enlightened person can appreciated the beauty and intelligence of ST: TMP even though it's about as exciting as watching flies fuck and then enjoy this new pic for the popcorn spectacle that it is. Everything Trek has been uneven throughout it's run, and it has been far from perfect most of the time. But it's always been fairly entertaining.
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Specifically he asked: YOU THERE HAVE YOU EVER KISSED A GIRL? The same 2-3 nerds are spazzing out posting babble on the TB about a movie THAT BASICALLY HAD NO PLOT. This was a FUN summer movie. It had no plot. It had no point other than to show.. "hey we can cast other ppl in these roles and still have a decent flick." There's nothing more to this movie, if you typed out 300 words saying otherwise you're a sad sad nerd that Shatner spits on... and judging from interviews that Chris Pine would laugh at as well
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fuck the haters..it was good.
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On the contrary, I like reading divergent opinions. Just not from absolute twats like you who go around telling everyone who likes the film they're an idiot.
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all films have plots..you might not "get" them but they are there. maybe the 2nd time around, kiddo?
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as was Kirk's rise through the ranks to captain
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It lasted..what? 3 seasons? and the feature films were about 70%crappy, 20% watchable and (thanks to WOK) 10% good.
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May 10, 2009 10:36:58 AM CDT
Oh great, here comes the 'they raped Star Trek' rhetoric
by mr. zeddemore
You, AsimovLives, are a fucking idiot who should be banned from the Internet until he deduces that the terminology 'rape' does not apply to fanboys who feel slighted by a science-fiction property.
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I didn't call you a hater, you stupid fucktard. What I said was that you were a prick who should stop telling people they're wrong for liking the film. I didn't once say you were wrong for disliking it.
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Like it's not an offensive word. Typical 'Shock-Value'internet post hoping to get everyone hot and bothered.
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Thanks for creating an example of what an asshat you are. It's always fun when people throw out such perfect examples of their idiocy that I don't even need to pick out specific parts.
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1. The manic cinematography and editing was annoying, as if the filmmakers were afraid the giant flaws might be too obvious if the camera stood still for more than five seconds.
2. Spock portrayed as a Vulcan/human with more anger issues than Adam Sandler in "Punch Drunk Love" rang a bit false to me. Yes, he's supposed to be half human, but does that now make a raging lovesick maniac? It's a bit overkill in the filmmaker's ironic approach to "this" Spock. Plus, when it's time for Spock to indeed act THE WAY HE"S SUPPOSED TO ACT and say cool classic lines like "Fascinating" or when Kirk buddy punches Spock on the arm and Spock looks at him funny as if he made some puzzling human gesture (after all, Spock just nearly beat the shit out of Kirk), it all plays a little false and forced.
3. Chekov's accent. It was interesting back in the 60's-80's, but now the caricatured Russian accent (why do the aliens speak better English than Chekov?) just makes him look really dumb and the filmmakers look like culturally insensitive assholes.
4. If this is an origin film, where is the stuff that shows us what a brilliant tactician and leader Kirk is supposed to be? He came off more as an Annakin Skywalker wannabe whiny jerk, and deserved to get bitch-slapped around by Kirk and everyone else in the movie.
5. They need to stop with the whole time traveling storyline now. It was a nice nod to the old TV show in Star Trek:Voyage Home, but now it's just turned into a convenient lazy plot device and a Star Trek cliche.
6. With the exception of the casting, this movie was just one bad decision by the filmmakers after another, from the script down to the final edit. Kudos to the actors for doing their best with shitty material and directing.
7. JJ Abrams needs to stick to television. It's clearly what he's better at. -
And seeing as how the Abrams apologists can't seem to grasp basic sentence construction, they're a bunch of sniveling sub-mental twits. I love how the "fans" go on about how if you don't like the movie there's something wrong with you, and not the shitty-ass piece of shit Abrams just shoved in our face. Seriously, fuck you, you clueless fucks.
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Haha...and you comment on how idiotic JJ's movie is and you use the term 'ass-slave' to describe those who like the movie. Don't try to position yourself as this great intellect (even the Asimov name check makes you a smug A-hole) when you use terms like Ass-Slave
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I love how you make this out to be the WORST, STUPIDEST summer movie ever. Where have you been? Ever heard of Vin Diesel? As far as Summer movies go this is far from the stupidest to ever come out. There have been 3 Mummy movies for god's sake!
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Never called you anything. But from your use of words like, rape and slave and your affinity for ASS i'm guessing you're one of those dudes who like taking from his girlfriend (if you had one)
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Most people who have a sense of what Star Trek really is like this movie. The ones that seem to be on a holy quest to bring this movie down just can't get that stick out of their collective ass. The movie's doing quite well. It really kind of reminds me of when the reboot of BSG came out. It really won't matter in the long run though. Some people are just dickheads. Whatcha going to do?
PS. Can't wait to see it again! -
When Phantom Menace came out there were almost mass suicides. The last Wolverine had X-men fans gouging their eyes out over boneclaws and Deadpool. Yet when JJ flushes an entire franchise down the toilet (meaning the alternate universe) and fans complain why is THAT is totally unacceptable? Let JJ restart YOUR favorite franchise with an alternate universe..like Superman...and there wouldnt be enough wood for the fires that would be started. Im not here to defend some of the pure hatred that is being spewed but this film certainly isnt the best trek...and while it has its place for the new fans, for some of us it will never be REAL trek.
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76.5 million from variety thats huge went up on saturday this movie will have legs do batman begins numbers.