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AICN DEDICATED TALKBACK: STAR TREK Lives!!

Merrick here...
Ok, folks...the wait is over. The first new cinematic STAR TREK in seven years hits screens later today. Did J.J & Company smash the Big E right into Mount Selea? Or, did they boldly go? Did the Bad Robot gang bastardize "our father's STAR TREK"? Or, brazenly, brilliantly re-invent it? Discuss in the Talkback below. We'll try to keep this Talkback visisble on AICN's main page throughout the weekend, so keep checking in to see what others are saying...and be sure to contribute yourself! PUNCH IT!

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  • May 7, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    first

    by dsback

  • May 7, 2009, 12:08 a.m. CST

    First?

    by seppukudkurosawa

  • May 7, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    live long

    by Juror Number 8

    and prosper

  • May 7, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    got it

    by dsback

    star trek will rule.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Dammit, dsback!

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I'm a doctor, not a speed-typer!

  • May 7, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I don't know how I did it

    by dsback

    That was two minutes after the story was posted.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Saw it on Monday...

    by TheWrathOfSean

    I think they nailed it!

  • May 7, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    It was awesome!

    by Heckles

    That's me tomorrow at midnight.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST

    it was...

    by JefCostello

    ...siiiick. radio isn't dead, they're just giving out advance screening tickets in the mean time.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST

    perfect

    by JohnGaltShrugged

    is the only word to describe it.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    I love Spock!

    by Ricky Retardo

    I wish he would pinch me!

  • May 7, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    The Future Begins, The End Begins...

    by MCVamp

    Fishcakes.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    OH THAR TREK ITH AWETHOME!

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    I was firth in line for thar trek and Im thotally going to thee it again thriday. Becauthe thith thar trek is tho freaking awethome!! I love you thpock!! I love you Thulu!!

  • May 7, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Was there Monday at the Austin IMAX show

    by Aphex Twin

    Me and my friends loved it. Awesome job J.J.! I'm looking forward to more films!

  • May 7, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Certainly not the best thing since sliced bread

    by comaxxx

    Saw it on Wednesday and I felt extremely well entertained. But to be honest Iron Man and TDK last year were even more entertaining and geek porn at its best. My problem with Star Trek is that no real Star Trek feeling comes up (I consider myself a Trekkie). I'm going to see the film more often and my attitude might change but right now I just quickly want to throw in some things that are sticking in my mind: * Pine is no Shatner! I was willing to give the new faces a chance and I really liked all the other characters. But Pine remains pale in comparison to the Shatman. That does not mean he acts badly. There's just something missing. * Special effects are a mixed bag. The overall quality is PERFECT. In a time where Hollywood throws the biggest CGI crap at the audience on a regular basis this is a nice change. BUT there are almost no "money shots". As with the many character close-ups we always get cgi close-ups of ships and battles. Typical example: The Enterprise is emerging from the rings of Saturn. While a short close-up might have been a cool effect we only get this close-up. We don't get to see a wide shot of Saturn at all and that's too bad. During action scenes this techniqe is certainly suppposed to emerge you more into the action. But for me it often was confusing. * There is a monster scene that could have been right out of Episode I. Totally unnecessary!! Watch it and you'll know what I mean. * Just like Enterprise the TV show this film can not let Vulcans live in peace with their nature. I don't get the urge to make Vulcans more and more human. Sure, Spock is half human and the TV show messed with all Vulcan. But Spock having a love affair and showing emotions and rage and violence (without the aid of an alien spore) is leaving me baffled and a bit angry. There are many more things to rant about but I'm in a hurry. Go see it. It's good. Future ST films will hopefully be better.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    The Wrath of Nero

    by NinjaChampion

    The movie had a few problems, but I enjoyed it none the less and will probably see it again.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:52 a.m. CST

    A pity that Roger Ebert...

    by AxeEmAll

    continues to nitpick Star Trek for its logical lapses, but never questions the same duh moments in Star Wars (He never questioned the fact that a beam of light from a lightsaber only extends a meter or so, instead of, you know, acting like a real energy beam that extends and dissipates in the distance...)

  • May 7, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Passive Trek Observer Becomes Fangirl After 2 Viewings!

    by lola0813

  • May 7, 2009, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Early showings elsewhere?

    by Full_Frontal_Nerdity

    I got lucky and don't have to wait til midnight, I don't know if it's because the theater is being cool since its finals week here or what, but 7 pm I'm in. Anyone else get it early tomorrow?

  • May 7, 2009, 1:03 a.m. CST

    10pm reg showing thurs 4pm IMAX friday

    by soloaj

    CAN NOT WAIT! Will give my worthless 2cents when all this nerdy excitment is over ;).

  • May 7, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    I Just Wish Nemoy Could Be In All Of Them

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    But judging by his wrinkles....Hes waiten on Jesus...

  • May 7, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    7.5 out of 10.......

    by stefan2789

    Saw it, liked it overall, think it's a great way to reboot the franchise, not the masterpiece many r making it out to be, but good, main problem for me is that Eric Bana's character is pretty sorry, its not him, he is great, its the character, he is not that great a villain....

  • May 7, 2009, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Aint It Sycophantic News

    by Franco Begbie

    Can we talk instead about how this site has been bastardised by the marketing men who've realised that they get wall to wall exposure on here if they flatter Harry Knowles with special screenings, merchandise and set visits. There's no hope of impartial coverage here any more. It really makes me cringe.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    That. Was. Pretty. Fucking. Awsome.

    by Gabba-UK

    I mean seriously. Everyone involved with it should hold their head up high. By the time Spock and Urhra where making out on the transporter pad, I should've have been pissed off with the changes in Trek history BUT I totally brought it by then. All the actors should take a bow. By the end they had become the charactors we've loved for 40 years but hugely respected the original guys that played them. Major respect to Urban for nailing with a fucking huge nail gun Bones and Pegg owned the screen when he was on. However the best was Chris Pine. By the time he threw the guy the keys to his bike I'd completly accepted him as Kirk. The way all involved managed to distill all we'd loved, rebottle it and pour it back out to us like vintage wine was a creative marvel. Off all the recent reboots/reenvisionings, what ever you want call them, Trek was the hardest one to pull off. And J.J. Abrahms twatted it out of the park. I'm proud to like Trek again. Well done to you all.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:17 a.m. CST

    better star trek stuff at twitter

    by the podosphere

    with fan-provided links to all sorts of trek goodness.....

  • May 7, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Better than A New Hope

    by Hafsol

  • May 7, 2009, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Franco Begbie

    by BadMrWonka

    the movie might actually be GOOD, you know. it's at like 99% on RottenTomatoes and hasn't had one legitimately bad review.<p>but I'm sure you're right. AICN has just sold out and is giving it a free pass (rolls eyes) even though it sucks.<p>face it, a site calling a big geek movie good doesn't mean they've sold out. it means it's probably pretty good.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:20 a.m. CST

    I guess there are SOME nerds that are NOT happy with it...

    by BadMrWonka

    http://tinyurl.com/coxd2s <p> sounds like a lot of the whiny talkbackers from AICN, actually...it's uncanny

  • May 7, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    BY THIS TIME TONIGHT I'LL HAVE SEEN IT!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I hope my future self likes it.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Exactly as I expected...more for new fans.

    by Carl's hat

    OK, I kinda liked it. I think it was well made and I would recommend it to non-fans. But, hey I'm 39, I saw Star Trek:The Motion Picture" at the movies in the late 70's, have been to the odd con or two, have met Walter Koenig and used to go to my local cinema to see Star Trek marathons on the big screen. Maybe I'm too cynical now, but this just felt too calculated, shiny and contrived. Spock's appearance in the middle of bloody nowhere and his line from Star Trek 2 as he meets young Kirk, was just blech. Uhura and Spock, was there just to try and shock us. Scotty suddenly put in charge of engineering in 5 minutes? I didn't like the way the ships travelled at warp speed. They just suddenly appeared in the middle of their destination (as I guess they would) didn't grab me visually, and the music well I can't remember it at all now. The time travel device was a cheat as Shatner always said, the coming together of the crew seemed ridiculously convenient, etc etc. Still, I did like the acting. McCoy, Pine and Quinto were adequate. Chekov was fun, Bana's Romulan was evil enough, and Bruce Greenwood as always was great. The ending felt schmaltzy and Nimoys voice over has been done before. Like I say I kinda liked it, but it didn't surprise me and didn't really grab my heart. Basically just what I expected.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Thanks Harry - A dedicated TB

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Phew..., was getting worried that a dozen or so TB's for Star Trek wasn't enough for us to make our comments.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I'm given her all she has Capt'n!

    by deanbarry

    Brilliant! JJ certainly did bring his A game to this one. Hope future installments can keep the momentum going. Great Fun. Want the Blu Ray release now please.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    interesting, the star trek poster looks like Iron Man's

    by Datascream

    Anyone else notice this? Or is it just me?

  • May 7, 2009, 1:39 a.m. CST

    what to do what to do ...

    by caipirina

    I am hanging between 'watch it in a language i hardly understand and with some time travel stuff going on i might not get it' or 'wait for a crappy cam pirate version' ... i want to give JJ my money .. but I want the original voices .. whaaa (well .. I should be glad it is out same weekend .. )

  • May 7, 2009, 1:40 a.m. CST

    It's totally good...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    and it completely and utterly pwns the fuck out of new jack Battlestar Galactica. But better than ANH? You're out of your motherfucking mind, son.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:42 a.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE BLEW

    by Kobaal

    my mind! Seriously excellent work all round. Was in tears after the first 10 mins (you know the bit).

  • May 7, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Hasnt every TB on this site been about Trek??

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    Courtesy of Harry Knowles and Aint It Cool JJ Abram News.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:52 a.m. CST

    lol, I knew it wouldn't be a day before that doofus showed up

    by BadMrWonka

    Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer finally you're here!<p>there hasn't been enough completely non-sensical and useless whining! can you post them same whiny shit 4 or 5 more times to fill the void?

  • May 7, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    As important as the resurrection of TREK is.......

    by zillabeast

    You also have to remember that this is also the start of what is going to be a huge movie making career for JJ Abrams. MI3 was a great start, and his TV track record is proven (haters, suck it.) Sky is the limit for JJ and his team, though. A proper Cloverfield sequel, perhaps?

  • May 7, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Just as I said months ago

    by joshuavance1701

    Trek will be the surprise gem of not only the summer, the entire year. Everyone and I mean everyone from fan to give a shit less was ready to rag on this fucking movie. America loves an underdog that sneaks up from behind and bitches you. The whole thing has a "A new Hope" vibe about it is what is meant and people are saying. A feel good movie. But of course you will have the qualifiers like this anhedonic cocksucker up here talking about: "Yes I was very very entertained BUT." For some ADD drug zombified fucks that hang out on site, experiencing the human concept of JOY or cracking a smile is more alien than ANYTHING Lucas or Abrams could put in a film. These types can go fuck themselves, this film is the hit of the whole year and you God damn people know it.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    The COOLEST thing about this movie

    by EX_MAN_WOLF_MARINE

    is that I didn't have to fucking think. After the first few minutes of obligatory "character development", I didn't have to spark up a single brain cell. My friends and I all walked out of the theater saying "that was awesome!" and never really had to speak about it again. Abrams has studied his Michael Bay. String together some awesome action set pieces, sprinkle in the humor, and give everyone an ending they can clap for and not have to fucking think about. This and Transformers have set the bar for what sci-fi can be. Gene Roddenberry would never have produced this, thank god its out of his hands.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    good not great

    by razerbale54321

  • May 7, 2009, 2:06 a.m. CST

    I guess "dedicated talkback" means that you won't publish...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...any more reviews, right? Well, here is the one I wrote last night, after watching the preview:<p> Y'know, there is one side of me, that not many people here know. I'm a Trekkie. Even one of them who owns a uniform, quotes lines from episodes and visits conventions, so of course I was to the same amounts excited and scared of this, since it has been announced. The movie got lots of geek love over the last few weeks and I gotta admit that this scared me a lot! I've been burned by geek love several times before. Remember when REVENGE OF THE SITH came out and everybody was praising it as a great movie and the Star Wars that they were waiting for, since the prequels were announced? Well, it turned out that it was pretty lame. Or 300, which was praised by the geeks as an innovative balls to the wall action masterpiece, but then was maybe the worst and most annoying movie I've seen since DIE HÄUPTER MEINER LIEBEN! CASINO ROYALE was despite what the geeks said just the same old Malibu Stacy, but with a brand new hat and THE DARK KNIGHT, which is still giving the geeks a boner, turned out to be...well, it was okay, but far, far, far, far, far away from the flawless re-invention of cinema that people told me it is.<br> But let's talk about STAR TREK. (I know, since this review is for AICN, I should add some more paragraphs. Maybe about what I did today, the stuff I had for breakfast, how much I love my girlfriend, miss my cat, my upcoming court hearing, blablabla, but I think we should cut right to the chase now.) Is it the shit or just shit?<br> I'm proud to announce that it was really good. You probably noticed that I didn't shout something like „OMG this movie fucking ROCKED“. This is just because it didn't blew my mind and has some minor, but still present flaws. <br> There is not one boring minute in this movie. From the first second on, the movie takes you on a very enjoyable ride and never makes you wait for the action to start again. Of course that doesn't mean that there is only action. There is plenty of it, but it doesn't dominate the movie. But even in the character moments, I never got bored or felt the urge to slap my hand on my forehead. The script is very solid. Not more, but not less. And this is not an apology, this is a sign of quality. Remember that it was written by the guys who gave us TRANSFORMERS and that script was pretty much the opposite of a solid script! They did a much better work with STAR TREK. When the story came together and all of the characters found their places, it never made me think: "Wait...hang on, what the fuck was that?" Okay, there was one moment that made me afterwards think: „Was that necessary?“ Kirk gets chased by a few monsters on an ice planet. It felt a little bit tacked on and if this scene would have ended up as deleted scene on the DVD, nobody would miss it. But at least it was a very exciting action scene with some cool designed creatures. So while it was not really necessary (I'm sure they could have come up with a better way to bring Kirk from point A to point B), it was at least entertaining. As a nice bonus is that the script is also full of insider jokes for Trekkies, but they never yell them in your face. They don't pause and look at the camera to make sure that you get it. They are just there as nice touches for the fans. But my favourite part of the script is how seriously every character gets a moment to shine! We know these characters since our childhood, but here we get the introduction to them, that we never had. (Okay, technically they are not the same characters, but I hope you get what I mean.) None of them was there, just because they were in the series and had to be there. Of course the movie focusses on Kirk and Spock, but nobody was degraded to an extra, like it happened from time to time in the movies. <br> Many people have already talked about the actors and I say I really liked most of them. Some of them made their roles more recognizable than others. In the second Karl Urban or Simon Pegg appear on screen you can jump out of your seat, point at the screen and yell: „That's McCoy/Scotty!“ Others not so much. Apart from the accent, Chekov has nothing in common with Walter Koenig, as far as I can tell. But I accepted him as „new“ Chekov, because he filled his role with life. And that's what all of them did: They filled their characters with life! Y'know, it's easy to impersonate someone. We see actors doing this every week on SNL. But it's difficult to convince the audience that you are watching a character and not an actor who looks or moves like someone else. I already mentioned Karl Urban. He is great as Dr McCoy and not as „DeForest Kelley as Dr McCoy“. You are not watching a starship crew full of Jamie Foxx's soulless Ray Charles impersonation. The cast is seriously bringing the same characters to life in the same way the original actors did. I just have trouble with one of them. And he is unfortunately da captain. Yes, I don't really like Chris Pine as Kirk. William Shatner gave Kirk this aura of a guy who you would really like to hang out with. He could have fucked your mother and you would just say: „Yeah, y'know, I'm not okay with that, but let's have a beer while we discuss it.“ He just lacks the charisma of Shatner. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Pine, but even when we learned that his Kirk is a cool and loyal guy, the Kirk we know, the Kirk we wanted to be as a kid – he still comes across as a pretty arrogant prick. Just my opinion. It's not the way he was written, it's the way he plays it. <br> You have maybe already heard that Winona Rider has a cameo as Spock's mother. She has not much to do, but she disappears into the role. I'm not talking about Oscars here, but I didn't look at her and thought: „Hey, it's Lydia!“ Although I got seriously no idea why they cast her and put some (pretty good) old woman make up on her face, instead of just casting an older actress. But whatever. Eric Bana as Nero is cool, but he has not much to do. We never find out what Nero's full name is, but I'm sure it's Nero McGuffin. He is a plot device. An angry and threatening plot device, but I wish he would have more to do. Maybe it would be easier to live with that, if they had cast an unknown actor for this, because a famous name makes roles like this always look more important than they are. But hey, better they cast a good famous actor as villain than a bad unknown, right? <br> Let's talk about the director! We all know that J.J. Abrams can direct some damn good television. I'm sure that even the people who claim to hate him, agree that the LOST pilot is some great stuff. I won't mention M:I 3 here, because while I remember that I liked it, it's been a while since I saw it, so I can't compare it to STAR TREK right now. And here he unfortunately shows some very distracting habits. It's positive that he reduces the for any reason still popular (among filmmakers) shaky cam to a minimum. It's still there, it's annoying when the camera can't stand still during a dialogue scene, but it is only in a few scenes and doesn't look nearly as amateurish and distracting as in, let's say BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. It is shaking during the action scenes, even during the starship battles, but we are not talking BOURNE levels. You still see what's going on and it doesn't look like a video installation, with wishy washy colours and fight noises in the background. But unfortunately he came up with something new to annoy modern audiences and I hope it won't catch on. The movie looks very...shiny. There are always some lights shining in the camera. The whole movie is full of lens flares and sometimes that is even all you see on screen! A fucking huge lens flare! Yes, it gives the movie a very unique look, but I can live without it. <br> But what I liked the most about the movie was that it's great fun! I'm so sick of dark and brooding SciFi & Fantasy! You can't believe how happy I am that we finally got a movie that NOT tries to shove 9/11 up our throats again and again. The movie deals with genocide, but is pure escapism! With some honest laughs! No Robots that piss on Barton Fink. Just some in-character fun that doesn't feel out of place. <br> After the movie I had of course a discussion with my buddy, who is an even more die hard Trekkie than I am. He is one of these guys who build models of the starships and knows how a warpcore works. He had some issues with the look of that ship, but I for myself can get over it. And it was not enough to make him hate this movie. He liked it. He had more problems with getting used to the „new“ crew than me, but he liked it. <br> I seriously recommend the new STAR TREK. It is not the mind blowing experience that the hyperbole suggests, but it doesn't suck, has a solid script, well casted actors (99%), breathtaking space battles and is some good old fashioned fun!

  • May 7, 2009, 2:07 a.m. CST

    A Star Trek flick, just aching to be a Star Wars.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    Kinda sad really.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    The Nero character sucked.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

  • May 7, 2009, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Let's not kid ourselves here

    by joshuavance1701

    I know there's alot of elitist self-aggrandizing little pricks on this site that like to keep high brow intellectual conceits to themselves to arbitrarily delude themselves into being "apart" from the mainstream, but whine and cry all you like cerebral entertainment does not typically translate into box office dollars and first and foremost a studio wants CASH. Trek for too many years has been a niche martet appealing ONLY to the fan generalization, and in the process not making enough cash to even continue the self-masterbating intellectual wank-fest. If it's Isaac Asimov or Harlan Ellinson you want go buy the fucking book. If it's

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    It's the 23rd Century, with huge stonking starships.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    Why are people still sky diving & parachuting?

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  • May 7, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    If you found Simon Pegg on an ice planet

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    wouldn't you fucking leave him there?

  • May 7, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Exactly where is the Enterprise toilet?

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    Is Kirk's command chair a futuristic shitter?

  • May 7, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Truly it can be said

    by joshuavance1701

    Some people aren't happy unless they are miserable - and misery sure as shit loves company. As a Sociologist I find it....well,to qoute a character from the MOVIE OF THE YEAR, fascinating.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Fascinating?.. does Chehov say that in this universe?

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

  • May 7, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    And before you say it's Chekov.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    Chehov is from this univeres mirror universe. He's a big butch German woman with a beard.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Hey Harry

    by joshuavance1701

    Can't ya create a dedicated talkback for all the jaded cynical fucks to cry in because their precious Wolverine and Watchmen sucked big fat blue cocks? Face it kids, the era of Anti-heroes is over. THANKFULLY. Fuck all that jaded pessimistic nihilistic shit. Enter the age of bonafied fucking heroes and champions again. Larger than life characters that ASPIRE towards something grand and noble rather than hide behind a cowl or walk the grey area ethical code and morals. This fucking society NEEDS this kind of black and white good versus evil shit to right it's moral compass. Some cocksuckers like to go the theater and be REMINDED how shitty their life is and have it reinforced, whereas film is supposed to be escapism. What's not to like? You have a band of positive, educated, professional and diverse people come together for a common purpose and bond to fight a common enemy- and ta daa, these fucking people aren't morally bankrupt but rather surprise, heroes all. Imagine that in this era. Welcome back Kirk, it's been too long pal.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Titty fuck time!

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    "Too late" -Igor

  • May 7, 2009, 2:28 a.m. CST

    How much is Viacom paying you guys?

    by 420 Boylston St

    This is utter bullshit, to read how over the TOP all of you are for this film. Sorry, guys, I call your bullshit. I don't think JJ Trek will be THE movie of the summer like Iron Man last year. It will be here and gone as fast. Transformers 2 will be the movie of the summer! Oh and PIXAR's UP will make more moner than JJ Trek! So Fuck OFF with the fantasy parade of praise for film that hasn't COME OUT YET!

  • May 7, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Wolverine and Watchmen WERE SHIT.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    But at least Wolverine didn't have banana's coming outta his hands in his universe.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Rightly squashed by Ebert.

    by Bjornegar

    "There are times when the command deck looks like Bring Your Child to School Day, with the kid sitting in daddy’s chair."<P> That about sums it up.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    no Bob Peak one sheet? - not a real trek movie then

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • May 7, 2009, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Star Trek IS watchable. It's NOT Star Trek though.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    It's an attempt to make more money at it's finest, is what it's all about.<br> <br> Paramount have sold themselves out. Not as much, as this fucking site has though.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Joshuavance1701

    by joshuavance1701

    You're right Dick Nose, he had a pedestriant script and direction, followed by a critical backlash in his univ...oh wait. Make that our universe.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Bjornegar - i trust Ebert's call

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    a fun ride - but in the end just space opera - light on science heavy on fiction - more so than the original series - this is like the last few treks but with a younger more attractive cast, better fx and less dedication to the fanbase - as i slam it i must admit i still want to see the broo haha in imax

  • May 7, 2009, 2:38 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    your "heroes and champions" spiel made you sound like a douche and a plant

  • May 7, 2009, 2:40 a.m. CST

    In the sequel...

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    Can I suggest that the Enterprise be sucked into a black hole and end up in the Old West Earth?<br> <br> The Enterprise has problems with it's warp engines and have to land on Earth. Scotty then has to make a Warp Core powered from Steam.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    EX_MAN_WOLF_MARINE

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    hooray for not having to think while watching a movie - you prove a theory - this movie was made for people that hate star trek and have short attention spans

  • May 7, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Fuck you JimmyJoe

    by joshuavance1701

    It's because types like you CLEARLY were the intended audience for my spiel. Tell me, does your brow furrow when you smile? I would guess not. As far as a plant, I plant my proverbial foot up your syncophantic ass. What's a matter fellow? Bitchy cuz Wolverine and Watchmen sucked and didnt make a splash?

  • May 7, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    seriously, you all need to watch this...

    by BadMrWonka

    this is all of you guys, WORD FOR WORD...<p> http://tinyurl.com/coxd2s <p> I thought this was funny, but now seeing all of you ding-dongs, it's so spot on, it's almost scary...<p>trust me, watch it and tell me it doesn't categorize the 10 or so people on here that are still whining about this movie.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Peter Gabriel did a song called Steam.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    It would fit in kind of nicely.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    It really, really, really matters to some people if we know exactly that Kirk's command chair can turn into an emergency toilet. <br> <br> Don't wanna be caught out in the heat of battle, and have to hold firm from releasing the Captain's Log.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to coming back here..

    by Youngdog

    ..tonight when this TB has really hits its stride and posting my views<br>Because I will have seen it.<Br>On IMAX<Br>In London<Br>For I have tickets

  • May 7, 2009, 2:49 a.m. CST

    What kills me

    by joshuavance1701

    Is the bitches talking about "It's not intelligent science fiction", yet probably masterbate to the "physics" of Event Horizon or Solaris, or better yet, Star Wars. No no wait, I get it - "The Abyss" represents true physics. Fuck the Abyss, what about The Core. I laugh and blow a fart in thy general direction. You God damn people can't name ONE "intelligent" science fiction film. I Robot? Disneys The Black Hole? Hah hah hah hah.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Transformers.

    by JJ_DICKNOSE

    That scene where the little dog pissing on Iron Hide. And then Bumblebee pissing over that guy, was pure fucking intelligence.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:59 a.m. CST

    How you feel can make it real

    by Bjornegar

    As real as anything you see.<P> I see a world where people are bright enough and have enough taste to see DAWSON'S TREK and say "whatever, next."

  • May 7, 2009, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Dont worry anhedonic peoples

    by joshuavance1701

    Fret not, for your movie of choice, "GI JOE" is still looming on the horizon of indifference.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    NEWS FLASH

    by joshuavance1701

    CHRISTIAN BALE announced for untitled professional followup to 2009 movie of the year Star Trek. In simultaneous related news 17 asshats on Aint it Cool news unzipped and started jerking to a youtube video of the professional audio sessions featuring Bale. Commenting on the untiled Trek sequel Bale stated "I've always wanted to do professional science fiction. You know, intelligent science fiction not the fluff put out for the mouth-breathers. I'll be playing a professional character called J'Jd'ick'nose that is intelligent well, since it's professional science fiction." The Baby Jesus wept.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Entertainment Weekly raved.

    by Bjornegar

    So, DAWSON'S TREK is officially gay. Not in the contemporary "it just sucks" way, but in the "80's MTV scares Republicans shitless" way.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:09 a.m. CST

    It's good, maybe great..but far from perfect...

    by quantize

    Saw it today in Sydney IMAX.The cast are absolutely the stars in every sense here, each bringing some gravitas and credibility to characters we feel we all know so well.I was struggling with the ridiculous OTT russian accent of Chekov. Uhura is also a bit 'lashes in boots' but then that WAS the original character mostly. The relationship with Spock thing felt a bit thrown in..the script has a couple of clunks in it (my wife even suggested some of the opening reminded her of Starship Troopers...) We shouldnt be surprised a bit of JJ's young bright thing fetish creeps in a little..but he does a terrific job overall. Some of the FX looked incredible, some slightly dodgy..the outpost particularly was weak..JJ also cannot design a monster to save his life..there's a problem with him and monsters it seems. Of course it's nowhere near the orgasmic blithering rubbish Harry carries on with...but its a very solid return to form for Star Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    JOSHUAVANCE you ignorant fuck

    by locust

    Art is supposed to be escapism? Are you completely ignorant of Shakespeare, Flaubert, etc. or in your dumbed down film world, Scorsese, Polanski, etc. Have you never heard of catharsis through art? You make me sick.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:10 a.m. CST

    I am from the Future. 9 more sequels await you.

    by Orionsangels

  • May 7, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Oh...and the music...similarly mixed effectiveness

    by quantize

    brilliant in the action sequences..the new theme frankly feels a little weak, underscored even more by hearing the original one at the end. It feels emotionally pitched correctly..but lacks that 'wandering..where man has..etc' feeling

  • May 7, 2009, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Hey Locust

    by joshuavance1701

    Burn and rot in the deepest bowels of hell you ignorant twat. What did you attend a summer school film class and suddenly you're an artist informed on all things pertaining to art? You pedantic little prick you wouldn't know high art if it slapped you in the face with it's cock. Go masterbate to Watchmen and blue penises you insignificant fuck.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Mixed responses heard from audience as leaving too

    by quantize

    A few were obviously delighted, i overhead one person say it was '3 out of 5', and even though i enjoyed it immensely there is something gnawing about it not QUITE being the Star Trek that's been talked up...I just think we need some balance..It's an xlnt effort..but the story feels a little perfunctory..particularly the end

  • May 7, 2009, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Such name-calling!

    by Bjornegar

    If I have to pull this car over, you're both gonna get it!

  • May 7, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Just remember kids....

    by joshuavance1701

    a Film CRITIC, or art CRITIC ...is a FAILURE in their pursuit of passion. A film MAKER, or PAINTER, is too God damn busy doing so and making money to "Critique'." Thus endeth the lesson.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    JOSHUAVANCE (li'l dog)

    by locust

    Go fuck yourself to Independence Day and rub one out to a Norman Rockwell painting, you paint-by-the-numbers feelgood fuck...If you need your "art" to have a moral then Transformez 2 is on the way...You're clearly too stupid to have your movies do anything but hold your hand and tell you "everything's gonna be ok li'l guy."

  • May 7, 2009, 3:20 a.m. CST

    William Shatner?

    by JaviT

    who was it on this site that said not to worry, that Shatner would be in it?

  • May 7, 2009, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Nice correspondence course

    by locust

    You speak only in cliches. I suspect you are more of a HOME MAKER than film MAKER and you just made a fucking critique, you dumbass allcaps bitch.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Of COURSE it's not what's "been talked up."

    by Bjornegar

    Led Zeppelin could tour with Jesus Christ on drums, and the hype would not compare to the blah-blah-blah over this movie.<P> It's as if Heath Ledger resurrected wearing Spock ears.<P>Even if it were really, really good - say, IRON MAN-level good (which it isn't - it's only TERMINATOR 3-level) - it still couldn't support the brouhaha.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:23 a.m. CST

    ..Urban did stray into impersonation a little

    by quantize

    but hey..it was still very entertaining..this cast deserves a chance to work with some better scripts and stories..

  • May 7, 2009, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Hey Locust Cocksucker

    by joshuavance1701

    Why don't you go pout about your personal failings elsewhere and leave film discussion to film lovers you smarmy roach faced piece of shit. Don't worry cocksucker Wolverine will be on DVD pretty soon. "Catharsis through film." Fuck you whore. It's uninformed elitist pieces of shit like you that sap the joy from the art of film. I bet you sap the energy right out of a room cocksucker. Negative nihilistic little pony girl go watch your metrosexual Goth Tim Burton films fucker.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:25 a.m. CST

    GOOSE BUMPS !!! Now i am a Trek Fan

    by mutzel1973

    Love it! simply love it! got fun, simply fun! feel like a kid who saw a rocket starting for the first time! Was never a Trek Fan, now I m

  • May 7, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Can't we all just agree

    by Bjornegar

    mutzel1973 sounds like something of an idiot?<P> "got fun, simply fun" only merits ONE exclamation point, but "GOOSE BUMPS" merits three?

  • May 7, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    JOSHUAVANCE (My Little Pony and Friends)

    by locust

    You stupid ungrateful prick. You're lucky I'm even condescending to speak with you. Do you think I give a fuck about Wolverine or Star trek? You clearly don't know what "nihilistic" means, as the Watchmen is in noway nihilistic. It sucks alright, but it is not nihilistic. Go drive your fucking F series truck to My Little Pony Land and poop jack as much as you'd like to Forrest Gump you frozen-log-of-shit space docked out fuck.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    OK, my bad. I'm sorry. That was mean.

    by Bjornegar

  • May 7, 2009, 3:30 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure studios realise reviews by people like Harry..

    by quantize

    ..actually hurt their films, particularly if they're actually pretty good. Harry is a publicist..

  • May 7, 2009, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Star Trek leaves you with the feeling...

    by quantize

    this might be leading to something that feels completely true to the original Star Trek.. thats probably one of its failures..

  • May 7, 2009, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Locusts Mommy

    by joshuavance1701

    Is proud of his little Locust that is a professional informed art critic. Mommy is pleased and happy and shaves Locusts cheetoh encrusted third chin for Locust. Hey you shit stain, you 15 year old cunt, you get on a message forum and hide behind a handle and talk about condescending? You little fuck I bet you like Kevin Smith films and consider it "smart humor" dont you? I put it all out there bitch theres my name right there, go hide behind your cowel. Or CGI claws. You God damned turd you probably can't name 10 films on the AFI list or 5 films in the national archives. Don't be presumptuous enough you little jism squirt to think just because your Mom bought you a computer yesterday and you have sudden access to the world wide web it gives you a modicum of fucking authority on anything. Now go be a good little cunt and watch Twilight you fucking whore.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    fuck the haters, JJ saved Trek

    by j2talk

    I said it before when people were complaining about "90210 Trek" that this film was going to save Trek and be EXACTLY what was needed to return Star Trek to public awareness and what you know??? I hate to say I Told you so.....

  • May 7, 2009, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Dicknose...the problem for assholes like you..

    by quantize

    ..is it kinda surpasses some of Star Wars..certainly the last few films (doubt anyone will contest that)...but it's easily packed with as much fun as the others.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    j2talk you should hold on to your Told you so

    by quantize

    it's not actually completely free of 90210-ism's...but he certainly manages to restrain himself.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Oh Joshua, you're so sexy

    by locust

    Wow. You really know your shit. You've heard about the AFI list. You're a thoughtless, fuckless wonder. I would never call myself a critic and in fact I think film is a garbage medium. I do get a kick out you regurgitating the most insipid, spoon-fed crap. The AFI list. Wow. Go to bed li'l dog.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:43 a.m. CST

    P. S.

    by locust

    You've unquestioningly accepted someone else's canon. I'd give you a medal but we're all out.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    This past week

    by Bjornegar

    I've seen SITA SINGS THE BLUES, CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS, SLAUGHTERHOUSE-FIVE, REAR WINDOW, STAR TREK, BRAND UPON THE BRAIN and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE. From that list, you can tell:<P> 1. joshuavance will think I'm a condescending momma's boy<P> 2. I am currently unemployed due to American corporate bottom-lining<P> 3. STAR TREK is not the worst movie I've seen this week, but it is near the bottom of the list<P> 4. I have already spent more time thinking about it and discussing it than it is worth<P> 5. Netflix is my BFF

  • May 7, 2009, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Star Trek-The Motion Picture

    by joshuavance1701

    Was Treks attempt at a more 2001 Kubrick inspired cerebral Trek, it was commercially and critically panned. I personally liked it but it didn't translate into dollar signs. Alot of people such as turds like Locust forget the history of Trek, the camp, the action emphasis, the humor, et al. Trek episodes to be certain were morality plays, but the moral lessons were cushioned in the language of the time. Someone can "infer" something from anything. I can infer for example Locust is a little penis yet, three people are so quick to dismiss the spectacle of the new Trek without even attempting to ask what is the morality tale being conveyed? How is that for a thought exercise idiots? The three of you clamouring for "intelligent science fiction", do you need everything spelled out intelligently to you? Use your brain and try to determine the theme of the film yourself. Is it the futility of revenge? Is it nature abhorres a vacuum and despite any attempt to disrupt the flow of fate, the universe will make every effort to right itself? Try it you might actually have a neuron or two fire. Don't talk the talk fucking walk the walk.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Star Trek-The Motion Picture

    by joshuavance1701

    Was Treks attempt at a more 2001 Kubrick inspired cerebral Trek, it was commercially and critically panned. I personally liked it but it didn't translate into dollar signs. Alot of people such as turds like Locust forget the history of Trek, the camp, the action emphasis, the humor, et al. Trek episodes to be certain were morality plays, but the moral lessons were cushioned in the language of the time. Someone can "infer" something from anything. I can infer for example Locust is a little penis yet, three people are so quick to dismiss the spectacle of the new Trek without even attempting to ask what is the morality tale being conveyed? How is that for a thought exercise idiots? The three of you clamouring for "intelligent science fiction", do you need everything spelled out intelligently to you? Use your brain and try to determine the theme of the film yourself. Is it the futility of revenge? Is it nature abhorres a vacuum and despite any attempt to disrupt the flow of fate, the universe will make every effort to right itself? Try it you might actually have a neuron or two fire. Don't talk the talk fucking walk the walk.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Star Trek = Batman Begins

    by Kobaal

    ie, a bloody good reboot.<p> The questions is, can J.J. et al pull off a Dark Knight for the second movie?<p> What I mean is, BB really set up in the public mind that Batman was back and it was awesome. ST could do the same. It may not make $1Bn, but when the sequel rolls around a LOT more people will be ready and waiting.<p> Note that I'm not suggesting the sequel should be as dark as TDK, but they should try for as awesome as.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:49 a.m. CST

    I don't get my morality tales from half-baked sci-fi.

    by Bjornegar

    I get it from half-baked philosophers and priests.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Film is a garbage medium??

    by joshuavance1701

    and yet you are on a website that celebrates and discusses film? You are worse than a cocksucker then apparently. You are simply worthy of compassion and pity.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Jesus, can we get through one fucking TB without

    by Bjornegar

    mention of Nolan's self-conscious Bat-twaddle?

  • May 7, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST

    WHAT IS THE MORALITY TALE BEING CONVEYED

    by locust

    Snicker.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST

    WHAT IS THE MORALITY TALE BEING CONVEYED

    by locust

    Snicker.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:54 a.m. CST

    See, he double-posted.

    by Bjornegar

    Which makes it twice as funny.<P> Two times zero?<P> Anyone?<P> Anyone?<P> <P> <P> <P> Bueller?

  • May 7, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Someone can infer

    by locust

    that little mr vance with his dog shit for hair was combing his My Little Pony toy while conveying his lunch tray across the room and all his silly bullshit and all his Norman Rockwells and all his Spiderman friends and all his "inferences" and all the Morality Tales...

  • May 7, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Now, locust has completely lost it

    by Bjornegar

    You're just babbling, dude.<P> Was it the profanity? Is that what threw you off?

  • May 7, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Morality tale Locust?

    by joshuavance1701

    I haven' seen the film yet but once I do I will most assuredly form your opinion for you. Original thoughts are hard to come by these days clearly. My guess would be the human aspiration of valor, integrity and working together with people of varying backgrounds and belief systems. Not only working together, but thriving. I would say positivism and inherent goodness of humanity, and probably the futility as I said earlier of revenge motivation. Then you get some quantum theory in there with infinite parallel universes and whether all things being equal, nature will tend towards some manifest destiny outcome. Regardless of circumstances, is Kirk simply destined to be Captain, in whatever universe? Is that group and crew simply destined to be together and have their adventures?

  • May 7, 2009, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Bjornegar = JoshuaV

    by locust

    Clever fella.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:59 a.m. CST

    No, Kirk is destined

    by Bjornegar

    to find a cure for his acne, give up being a rebel for the greater good, and have sex with a real-live girl! <P> Oops. I meant SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

  • May 7, 2009, 4 a.m. CST

    Worst Simon Pegg movie EVER!

    by Bjornegar

  • May 7, 2009, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Vance -- Tell Rush hello for me.

    by locust

    You seem like the kind of bottomed out twat that would like both Rush the man and Rush the band, the two greatest evils of our time or any time.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Bjornegar you obviously didnt see Run Fatboy Run

    by quantize

    otherwise you would realise how wrong you are

  • May 7, 2009, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Rush sucks. But, what about Styx?

    by Bjornegar

    Or Billy Joel?<P> Or Bon Jovi?<P> Or John Mayer, for fuck's sake?<P> Not to mention Sean Hannity, as long as we're mixing pundits and rockers.<P> Come to think of it, one would have a long list of names to trudge through on Entertainment Weekly's Greatest Evils of Our Times before coming to Rush (the band).<P> My guess is they rank right around JJ Abrams-ish territory.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    ST...much stronger than Batman Begins

    by quantize

    which was pretty tedious and contained some weak performances - and annoyingly instructive music....Dark Knight fixed all that..but this Star Trek is infinitely more convincing than Batman Begins

  • May 7, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    True quantize

    by Bjornegar

    But, also irrelevant. I was using "EVER" in the contemporary fan-boy way. You know, like shouting "STAR TREK is the greatest movie EVER" when you've only seen it "300" and SPIDER-MAN 3.<P> Get it?

  • May 7, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Awww

    by joshuavance1701

    Did someone say that about you recently and you took it heart cunt? If you are referring to Rush Limbaugh, I despise everything the man represents fucker,and yet I wouldn't even force him to look at your shit breath face, I'm a democrat, and YET, my Mom taught me right from wrong and words such as valor, integrity, character, honor, loyalty, all the things the crew of the Enterprise represent yet are alien to your Generation Y fucking lazy self. Those words are foreign in meaning and spirit to your cynical, jaded, bitter fucking self. You like to be reminded how shitty your life is with "catharsis" and dread. I bet you part your bangs to the side and hang them over one eye dont you, you mascara wearing piece of dark soul-less dogshit.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Styx does suck.

    by locust

    Not sure if anything sucks worse than the rapping in "Roll the Bones." Shantigold kicks all their fucking asses. Sean Hannity and John Mayer would make a sick combination ("but wait he plays the blues good and dates stars and sings about dog shit")

  • May 7, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Bjornegar..i thought you were speaking english

    by quantize

    not bufoonish

  • May 7, 2009, 4:11 a.m. CST

    "shit breath face" and "valor"

    by Bjornegar

    are bound never to be used in the same sentence again.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    BTW was anyone distracted by Winona's Square Boobs?

    by quantize

    ok it was the dress, but tell me you didnt notice!

  • May 7, 2009, 4:12 a.m. CST

    JOSHUA'S Main problem

    by locust

    He sees "art" as something that must instruct him and teach him. He is at about a medieval level of sophistication. The idea of the artist as indifferent creator or the merit of contemplation of the world as it is are centuries ahead of him. I think this has something to do with the movie's time travel shit.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Stop misusing "nihilism" little baby

    by locust

  • May 7, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Babble is like the swine flu.

    by Bjornegar

    See, locust caught it from joshuavance who now is suffering a recurrence, and I caught it from being too close to the computer screen, and now I'm giving it to quantize

  • May 7, 2009, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Bjornegar..yeh i GET IT

    by quantize

    you're a fuckwit congrats.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    "Catharsis"

    by locust

    You will find this concept in Greek tragedians such as Aeschylus, you ignorant home-schooled fuck. You exude "Ditto"-headedness whether you realize it or not. Now fuck you.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Nah Locust

    by joshuavance1701

    My only problem is people such as yourself that have accomplished and achieved....nothing...absolutely nothing in life. Yet presume to inform the masses on what constitutes high art. You are a Sophist, in mentality and spirit. I have MY art hanging in two galleries, hows about you? A pile of unsold scripts? Notes jotted down on a film that will revolutionize the industry? Are you a mover and shaker cunt? Are you going to rock the heavens or sit back and bitch about everyone elses success? See, turds like you resent popularism, because you are weak. feeble. You lack. So naturally, a detractor such as yourself must bring down, rather than build up. You are yesterdays news little sprite.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Her boobs were square

    by Bjornegar

    because that's where she hid her shoplifted treasures.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:19 a.m. CST

    I'm a fuckwit?

    by Bjornegar

    Does no one want to know what I thought of SITA SINGS THE BLUES?<P> I'll just be over there, chewing worms.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Two galleries.

    by locust

    Of course I've had more success than you, little fuck. You also don't see to realize that I've said nothing "nihilistic" or particularly bleak. You're just home-schooled or something. Wikipedia the shit, ignoramus.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Bjornegar...actually now i REALLY GET IT

    by quantize

    You're attempting a very 'clever' tribute to a Star Trek style re-imagining..in your alternate universe, your posts seem witty, biting, anarchic and hilarious. Back here in reality..we see you for the douchebag you really are. Genius! stick to chewing those ass worms.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Oh I see then you are just naturally a moron then

    by joshuavance1701

    You may kindly wrap your car around a tree and burn and rot in hell now mongoloid cocksucker. You are right, you have said nothing at all really. Just alot of pedantic hyperbole. Miserable hyperbole at that. I love how the internet enables cocksuckers to express themselves in ways they wouldn't dare in person, such as this lowly fag Locust who has clearly never lived. Talk about Projection and cognitive dissonance. I must retire now, you see, I have paintings to sell.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    quantize and reality

    by Bjornegar

    He's all pissed 'cause I wouldn't give him a reach-around.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:27 a.m. CST

    how could I be?

    by quantize

    you were busy blowing yourself...

  • May 7, 2009, 4:28 a.m. CST

    "I love how the internet enables"

    by Bjornegar

    "I love how the internet enables cocksuckers to express themselves in ways they wouldn't dare in person"<P> And joshua proves self-awareness is the one thing momma never taught him.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    At least quantize

    by Bjornegar

    acknowledges the impressive length of my cock. I wear a very long shirt, little man.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST

    I was just playing little dog.

    by locust

    Finally got you to say some interesting shit. If I really thought film was a "garbage medium" and was a nihilist, I wouldn't have played along. Go sell your paintings and laugh it off.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Oh that thing that was stuck between your teeth?

    by quantize

    and you're gonna tell ME about reality..

  • May 7, 2009, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Gosh Bjornegar

    by joshuavance1701

    How insightful of you, just remember, it takes a quality to recognize a quality in others. I havent given it a second thought Locust, I like film, and I like Star Trek. I have a special affinity for films that are moving, and evidently based on consensus, Star Trek is emotionally moving.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Alright.

    by locust

    Good night.

  • May 7, 2009, 4:45 a.m. CST

    we seem to have drifted off topic a little.

    by Gabba-UK

    Since my post of 8 hrs ago. I've had six hours of sleep since I saw it. It's still great film and I can't wait to see it again in IMAX but I've realized something disturbing about it. Even with the aged make up covering her, I still want to viciously bang the shit out of Winona Ryder. That feels very wrong somehow...

  • May 7, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Pretty great, but the shaky cam images sucked as always.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    You couldn't see shit what was going on during the fights. Lame & annoying. <p>The rest of the movie was pretty great. <p>But I really wonder what the fucked happened to steady cam operators...

  • May 7, 2009, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Read the prequel Star Trek countdown comics

    by AxeEmAll

    Star Trek would maintain its 100% fresh in the tomato meter if only those critics read the comic.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:16 a.m. CST

    tonight my friends..tonight

    by Six Demon Bag

  • May 7, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Motoko, I think the shaky was "okay" this time.

    by DerLanghaarige

    In fact, it never is okay, but I for myself could still pretty clearly see what's going on. (But I HATED it during the first dialogue between Kirk and Pike.) What really annoyed me was the lens flares.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 2009

    by joshuavance1701

    Fucking Avatars eyeballs in '09. All must bow before the might of the underdog Trek, yes even the Bale, it's professional to bow before Trek. Star Trek both assrapes and caresses your genitals simultaneously. Green chicks? Wolverine has no green chicks. 12 inch Kirk penile devices? Watchmen had a rather withered blue penis, nay. Leonard Bones fucking McCoy? Terminator Salvation has no Leonard Bones fucking McCoy. A Tattooed Romulan badass that destroys entire worlds? Transformers 2 has no Tattooed Romulan badasses that destroy entire worlds. Burger King Klingons? G.I. Joe has no Burger King Klingons. Face it Noobulons, you have been magnificently pwned by a film everyone was waiting to hate on. I love it. To qoute the Kirk - "I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."

  • May 7, 2009, 5:22 a.m. CST

    in 1 weeks time...

    by ccdev

    nobody would give a shit about what anyone of you said. having said that, i think beastie boys was a wrong choice for the movie scene. should have had NWA's 'fuck tha police". or Britney Spear's "slave for you". that would have been classic.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:24 a.m. CST

    ccdev

    by quantize

    I already dont give a shit about what you just said... that took minutes.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:25 a.m. CST

    I wonder if the use of "Sabotage" was a nod to Futurama.

    by DerLanghaarige

    How many other SciFi Franchises do you know that told us that the Beastie Boys are still popular in the future?

  • May 7, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by whitty

    Josh, up front let me make clear that I'm not trashing you, as I agree with much of your assessment about elitism and anti-heroism and so forth. But why are you so vitriolic in your responses to pretty much everyone in this talkback? Relax, man. Only someone completely anti-social would talk that way in person, so why talk that way in an anonymous forum? There's no reason to call everyone names just because you disagree with them--it just makes YOU look bad, not THEM. Take a breath. You're making good points--why make it impossible for anyone to give them any credence, by acting like a dick to everyone you make those points to?

  • May 7, 2009, 6:37 a.m. CST

    whitty

    by AxeEmAll

    Touche!

  • May 7, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Whow......AMAZIONG movie as expected

    by belorf

  • May 7, 2009, 6:52 a.m. CST

    The new Enterprise....

    by LionelRL

    ...looks dreadful :( It does not come close to matching the beauty of Andrew Probert's amazing design for the TOS movies. What a letdown...

  • May 7, 2009, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Exquisite observation Whitty

    by joshuavance1701

    Sadly, having visited this site since 97' when The Phantom Menace was still in production, if there's one dissapointing revelation I've had about the forums is, one must denigrate themselves and others to have any sort of point taken at face value. That's sad isn't it? Such is the state of affairs among certain demographics in todays society. If you praise a film here, you are a plant. If you have valid points to make or want to further discourse, you are drinking Kool-aid. The reaction to this seeming innocent, well-recieved , POSITIVE film among a very vocal minority is perfect example unfortunately.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    I'd like a SLUSHO MIX please...

    by AdamasParrot

    Never cared much for Trek... But this movie blew me away!! And the fact that it's not a prequel as I thought was brilliant!!

  • May 7, 2009, 7:21 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Franco Begbie

    It's the volume, not the favorablity of the coverage that bothers me. I'm sure the movie is great. <br> But you know that when they put their promotional budget together for this movie they set a few grand aside to buy Harry his souvenir model of the Enterprise and put on a wee show for him - not because they like him or respect him in any way, but because it's a relatively cheap way to generate publicity for the movie. And given where this site has come from, to see him misinterpret that as some sort of gesture of respect is a little saddening. He's being exploited by some incredibly cynical people.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:43 a.m. CST

    I wanted to go to a midnight showing...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...so I could bring my lightsaber and have a few laughs. Instead I'm going at 8:00 tonight. Oh well.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Loved It... Saw It At Capone's Event

    by BojTrek

    I loved this movie, I had a smile on my face the whole time. I have been against a prequel since Day 1. I hated the Star Wars prequels and felt it would be more of the same. But with the success of Batman and James Bond, I still not think this would succeed. It rocks! I pretty much knew the whole movie from spoilers... but was knocked out by the Spock/Uhura connection. I did not know anything about that story, but it is completely possible. His father loved a human, so in this slightly changed timeline... Spock loves a human. I like that they did not reset the changes, older Spock is stuck in this timeline and all of his events did not happen here. And if the events do happen, they might be different. I like that older Spock just doesn't automatically remember what the new timeline Spock is doing or did. I never see movies in the theater twice, if I like it I will wait for Blu-Ray. I cannot wait to see this again over the weekend. Thanks Capone for the freebie, I cannot wait to pay for it.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Not the best STAR TREK film, but at least #3 of all 11.

    by SpyGuy

    I think WRATH OF KHAN and FIRST CONTACT were better overall films, but this flick was way more entertaining than anything STAR TREK has produced since DEEP SPACE NINE ended.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Karl Urban fucking owns as Bones

    by SpyGuy

    DeForest Kelley would be proud. I know I was.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Goddammit!

    by manicfanatic

    Why do I have to be on a red-eye flight *TONIGHT*?

  • May 7, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Anyone who likes this movie...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    deserves to be reamed in the anus by Chancellor Gowron and Gul Dukat until they're completely dead! Burn in Sto'Vo'Kor, JJ and Orci and Kurtzman, you useless pustules! Long live Kira Nerys' dubiously tight-fitting jumpsuit, and Real-Kirk's penchant for bright-purple manly mascara!

  • May 7, 2009, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Flying To OK City

    by theheavy

    Working all day then Im flying from Louisville into Oklahoma City at around 8:30 pm for a meeting in the am. i already bought my ticket in OK City I dont care how tired Iam Im going to the bricktown theatre and geek out with everyone else.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Did anyon catch

    by jimmy_scotland

    Scotty saying he transported Admiral Archer's pet Beagle?

  • May 7, 2009, 8:30 a.m. CST

    IT AIN'T SOLOMON KANE NEWS

    by spud mcspud

    Or is JJ Abrams THAT GOOD at mental cock-sucking that Harry STILL hasn't remembered to post news on a genuinely COOL movie that he saw almost a week ago?<P> Harry! We get it! You love STAR TREK! NOW HOW THE FUCK WAS SOLOMON KANE???

  • May 7, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Funny how Trek becomes huge when it's got some $$ behind it

    by gruntybear

    Seriously, why couldn't this amount of cash have been invested in something that wasn't "Dawson's Trek?" The ridiculous over-marketing is killing any interest I once had at seeing the film. If I hear one more person declare that he or she just wasn't interested in Trek, but that they saw this film and "Lordy, Lordy, I have a-seen da light," I'm going to fucking puke. Screw the neo-Trekkers. I still don't want fucking Beastie Boys in my Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:35 a.m. CST

    theheavy

    by Kobaal

    I thought 'Flying to OK City' was a cool way of saying the movie was a bit mediocre, as in "it started off well but then flew to OK City".<p> Even though it was unintentional on your part, I'm totally using that from now on.<p> (btw the movie is awesome)

  • May 7, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I haven't seen any negative reactions...

    by Arteska

    ..that don't seem to suffer from server pole in the kiester syndrome. Lots of clever construction and clear affection went into the movie and it'a a AAA level production in terms of quality. It's not the Greatest Thing Of All Time but man you really have to be a sourpuss to not at least have fun at this movie if you've ever liked Trek at all. Not only were they respectful of everything that has come before they relied on it wholeheartedly in the building this movie...without making it impenetrable to anyone but the most devout. If you can't or won't see what kind of an accomplishment that is (i.e. they did all of this and still made it extremely entertaining) you really are bit too cranky. It really is ok to like things every once in a while. Honest.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    server = severe

    by Arteska

  • May 7, 2009, 9:31 a.m. CST

    "Better than A New Hope"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hmmm, OK. Although, that's not really all that hard to do.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I REFUSE to See Star Trek!

    by dittos

    They did not send me a pre-release to review. So do not go see it, it is boring v-e-r-y boring, I know because I saw a pirated pre-production version and I base this on that. I will not see it. It is one of the worst movies of all time.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    saw it, liked it...read the comic

    by Jubba

    read the comic Star Trek Countdown before you go

  • May 7, 2009, 9:49 a.m. CST

    still getting pimped by aicn

    by muri71

    but wolverine was bad right?!;) man i know this wont bomb, but i wish it would!!!!! cus i have enough of those reboots, remakes etc. this storyline has been done over and over again in shows and a dozen movies, whats so new about it?! i prefer a so so wolvie over a storyline that has been done til the end!

  • May 7, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    anyway ILLUMINATI will swallow this shit next week!

    by muri71

  • May 7, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    we know where kirk & spock end so why should we care...

    by muri71

    to see how they started? by the way was the first show not the way it all started?

  • May 7, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    i meant "we know how they end" sorry!:)

    by muri71

  • May 7, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    muri71... Incorrect...

    by BojTrek

    We know where Kirk and Spock ended... but it is all new now. Nero fucked shit up, so Kirk and Spock will now do things differently. So, they could both die earlier now or Khan could kill them. Maybe the Borg detect Nero's ship and want the technology and come earlier now.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:05 a.m. CST

    9 hours to go

    by skydemon

    Tick tock, tick tock. Woooo Hoooooo!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Just saw it

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thought it was terrible. More soon.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I love how all the haters...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    ...have the weakest arguments I've heard in a long time. And your breath smells like hot trash.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Kirk is booted off the Enterprise

    by kwisatzhaderach

    by Spock for having an argument with him. He lands on a totally random planet and within 5 minutes has met Leonard Nimoy and Simon Pegg. <p> Bullshit.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    STAR TREK JUST HAS TO DO ONE THING RIGHT ....

    by BringingSexyBack

    Wipe Wolverine off the map.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I've clearly seen a completely different film

    by kwisatzhaderach

    to the staffers on AICN who all gave it 5 out of 5. It's so predictable, you'll be guessing the next scene before it appears on screen. <p> Simon Pegg turns in one of the worst performances in screen history. <p> Karl Urban is cool but in about 8 short scenes. <p> Pine is ok, as is Quinto. The story is non-existent, Bana is given nothing to do. Some cool ILM work but all shot in close-up so hard to distinguish what is going on. <p> Totally devoid of the intelligence that made the best Trek work. Trek for the malls. <p> <p>

  • May 7, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Rubbish score too.

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • May 7, 2009, 10:24 a.m. CST

    muri71: Yes, things are definitely different now.

    by SpyGuy

    When a significant planet goes bye-bye in the first half of the movie, the status quo is not so quo anymore.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Now even though i am more of a star wars fan...

    by The_New_Guy

    I have high hopes for this movie. From what i see in the trailers everything feels right, from the music, the story, the characters. this has potential to be a great sci-fi movie that no fan of the movie genre should miss. Well i have my fingers crossed and i hope for the best of friday =]

  • May 7, 2009, 10:32 a.m. CST

    To the poster that said

    by kwisatzhaderach

    the new Trek was better than the original Star Wars: WTF are you talking about?

  • May 7, 2009, 10:33 a.m. CST

    TNG v. TOS

    by benlinus

    Dont mean to change the subject but Im just curious as to what peoples views on this are? Personally, TNG is one of my all time fave shows and some of the best sci-fi writing ive ever seen. I love TOS but I think TNG blows it out of the water. Your thoughts?

  • May 7, 2009, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Kurtzman/Orci

    by kwisatzhaderach

    turned in a fan-level screenplay with not one memorable line of dialogue. Piss poor. <p> And wait til you find out who created the Kobayashi Maru test...

  • May 7, 2009, 10:39 a.m. CST

    The best part is...

    by BattlemasterJ

    Love it, Hate it, or nit-pick it...Star Trek hasn't had this kind of Hype or interest in my YEARS.. ticket sales will be great and more Trek will follow!

  • May 7, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by quantize

    nah you're just a grumpy cunt..fine you didnt like it, nobody gives a shit.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:46 a.m. CST

    quantize

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Fuck you, giving my opinion. Isn't worth less than yours.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Riley Martin

    by whitty

    Seek help, man. Seriously. Seek help.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I'LL BET KHAN CREATED THE KM TEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    Am I right?

  • May 7, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Nope.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Worse Star Trek Movie EVER!!!!!!! +its a bland & average at best

    by genrefanboy

    Just got back from seeing it at the 11:45@ Empire Leicester Square, London, England(one of the worlds best cinemas). </p> This movie is a gigantic monumental disaster. It makes Nemesis look great & you will be praying for Rick Berman to come back now. No I am not kidding at all there are so many problems with this movie and nearly ALL reviews are very unaccurate which is putting it mildly. Saying ALL reviews are corrupt & they have been bribed to say its a good movie would be a fairly logical and accurate opinion. I do not know where to start but I am going to list all the negatives first (in no particular order) as this movie and its director do not deserve a fair chance or unbiased review from me. Ebert is right on the money with his review trust me. </p> 1: Leonard Nimoy is in this for approx 3-4 minutes screentime and has 3 scenes and about 10-15 lines of dialogue which is not very Spock like as Nimoy seems very old because his voice is failing badly. Shatner will be glad he was not in this movie as even his limited screentime in ST7 and poor death was 300% better than Nimoy's role here. If Nimoy was not even in it you would not care or notice all that BS about Nimoy being integral to the story is screenwriter BS. </p> 2: The visual FX from ILM are totally wasted. There is not 1 WOW shot in the entire movie. We all know ILM are one of the best VFX companies in the world but here they have been instructed to do some poorly designed work here. The ship VFX cinematography is absolutely appalling. All you get are close-ups of the ships hulls and a blink or you will miss it beauty shot which is undynamic. The Enterprise has very little screentime and when you do see her its meaningless as she has about 2 secs screentime before the editing cuts away. The end of the movie has the Enterprise warp away and even this is botched badly. The virtual camera is so close to the ship that all you can see is a fraction of her and the actual warp effect is the same as Star Wars minus the hyperdrive stars. The ship stretches away and thats it. No warp flash. No hyperdrive stars. Nothing. Very bland and uncinematic. New transporter VFX is poorly designed as well and looks like it belongs on TV not in a big movie as its just a whiteish blurry mess. </p> 3: The music: Really bland. There is 1 main theme and thats it. No Enterpise theme whatsoever. All the music is just sonic wallpaper and a disaster. No wonder the OST is only 45 mins. I even deleted my torrent of it as you could not give it away to me I would need paying to hear it again. Not 1 scene in the entire movie has any emotional music to underscore it. Complete & utter waste of money. They could have got a TV composer to do it and you would not have even noticed any difference. </p> 4: The cinematography: Just as attrocious as MI3. All close-ups but now its close-ups of planets, starships, actors you name it. If its onscreen the cameraman has a magnet so its as close to the lense as possible. The director needs to go back to film school to be taught how to use the camera for master shots to allow the audience to at least get their bearing's before cutting away with hyperfast editing to yet another unforgettable scene. </p> 5: Storyline: Its a total disaster and everything you feared in your worse nightmares. Its so convulted and uninvolving you really care little what happens next or to whom. This movie needed another 30-45mins to fill in the story as it was not presented in a way which allows you to follow it properly as it jumps around all over the place. Only McCoy's dialogue was worthy. The rest ranged from average to awful. And why do they still swear in the future it sound a little strange to hear mild 21st century cuss words in the far future. </p> 6: Actors. Well the good news is that you will care about Pike (Greenwood), McCoy (Urban) & Uhura (Saldana). The rest are the bland unknowns you always feared. They have little screen presence and are not very skilled actors. But Bruce Greenwood's Pike does very well and to me gave the best performance in the entire movie for his very limited screentime. Karl Urban's McCoy has little to do except channel the late great De Forest Kelley but he does this well and is a warm presence. Zoe Saldana's Uhura is the only other actor worth a mention as she is eye candy (although not mega hot) and gives an emotional believeable performance. Of the rest the most annoying is the new Chekov actor. He has the worse Russian accent you have ever heard and is a waste of screentime. You will feel like shutting the little bitch up as he annoys more than Wesley Crusher ever did but plays the same boy genius character. The new Spock is bland and his voice is so weak & wrong for the part. The new Kirk is just another average young gun actor and you will not care less for him as he does nothing interesting with the role. Sulu is just portrayed as an incompetant helmsman who cannot even get the jump to warp right in an emergency (which is played for laughs as a joke when an entire planet is at stake). Kirk's father in the opening prologue displays more skill as an actor. </p> There is a part of the movie about half way though where Old Spock tells Young Kirk he must provoke an emotional outburt from Young Spock so Young Kirk can assume command of the Enterprise!!! Yep I kid you not and Old Spock (nimoy) also tells Young Kirk he cannot no matter what under any circumstances tell Young Spock why he is doing this!!! With me so far right well at the end of the movie in a scene which feels so tacked on for a totally unexplained reason Young Spock meets Old Spock!!!!! I could go on but you get the general idea by now. This is not your fathers star trek or anyones now its a poorly conceived Star Trek in name only. </p> This movie is a bigger letdown than even the following:</p> The Phantom Menance </p> Matrix Revolutions </p> Star Trek Nemesis </p> If Star Trek had a poor name before this movie will ensure that its has an especially bad name in future and has probably killed the franchise once and for all as no-one over the age of 13 will care much for it in a few weeks. Paramount have done an amazing job with the marketing and reviewer bribery but forgot to produce a worthy film having entrusted the franchise keys to a mediocre group of people. </p> Gene Roddenberry will be turning in his grave at how they finally managed to destroy his beloved Star Trek with this utterly bland & medicore failure.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    For what it's worth, I agree with just about all your points.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:05 a.m. CST

    That whole section with Kirk

    by kwisatzhaderach

    meeting Old Spock and then Scotty within about 5 minutes is teeth-grindingly awful. And Spock letting Kirk have command because he got angry is idiotic. <p> This is a movie made by idiots for idiots.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by genrefanboy

    I hear you dude its a tragic shame they hyped this movie so much as many people will be really let down by this. </p> I Guess the tagline "its not your father star trek" was the big clue from Paramount that they were nervous about it so went into hype overdrive to try and salvage some $$$. </p> I hope and pray its not a success as the mind boggles at how much worse the team behind this disaster could possibly make it!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Compare the ice planet scenes

    by kwisatzhaderach

    in this film to the ones in Undiscovered Country. Undiscovered Country was made on a fraction of the new films budget yet is 1000 times better. Sometimes throwing money at the screen is not the answer, less can be more as it forces creativity on the part of the filmmakers. <p> This new Trek is creatively banrupt.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST

    bankrupt

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • May 7, 2009, 11:12 a.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I hear you. Unfortunately it will be a success, Paramount has done its marketing too well. 6 months from now nobody will be talking about this picture though.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Seeing this tomorrow...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    I'm actually dreading this movie. As in, literally, really not wanting to go see it. So why am I seeing it? I'm a masochist, apparently...well I already knew that.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I'LL BET "ADMIRAL RODDENBERRY" CREATED THE KM TEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    Am I right?

  • May 7, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I saw it with Fortunesfool who posts on here, his first words after the picture were "Phantom Menace bad". <p> But at least Phantom Menace had the lightsabre duel at the end, which is a great cinema scene. There's nothing comparable in this. It's such a fanboy effort too, too busy being all cutesy about Trek and having nothing to say about the human condition, which all the best Trek aspired to do.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by Six Demon Bag

    khan cant create the KM cause hes from the 21st century(?) he and his people are in cryogenic hibernation until the 23rd century when Shat Kirk and crew come along them...Kirk defeats KM waaay before this occurs..

  • May 7, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Nope - will I just tell you?

  • May 7, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Frontloading the picture

    by kwisatzhaderach

    with a mammoth space battle was a mistake too, as you've seen the most spectacular thing in the movie within the first 10 minutes.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    I'LL BET KIRK'S FATHER CREATED THE KM TEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    Am I right?

  • May 7, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Noonien Soong created KM???

    by Six Demon Bag

    but i think i heard it was Spock somewhere...probably here. stupid AICN

  • May 7, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    And I agree with...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Kwisatzhaderach's comment that "This is a movie made by idiots for idiots". Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of those people around now, for some reason. Too much shit in the food we eat, the air we breath, the water we drink and the medications we take? I'd venture a "yes"...it's sad how our culture is now celebrating the arrival of pure, unadulterated P-A-P Crap. And Azlam Orlandu, my breath smells like hot MUSH, thank you.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:21 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by genrefanboy

    Yep ST6 was a great Trek movie with a tiny budget $27M. </p> This is the worse by a long way with a $150m+ and unknowns! </p> Where is Berman when you need him!!! </p> Not sure the mainstream audiences will care for this at all as Females have no reason to see it and wil be bored very quickly. Box office will not be that good as like Watchmen it will drop suddenly and quickly go away.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Or "moosh"...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    whatever the hell it is.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yup, Spock created the KM test. That's the level of creativity on the flick.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Imperius

    Just got my tix for 9:45 tonight!! Live long and prosper bitches!

  • May 7, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by genrefanboy

    That opening space battle was rubbish anyway. Too many TV closeups and no master shots. </p> Compare the emotional clout of it to the Battle For Peace from ST6. No Contest. </p> This talkback will be more amusing than the movie ever could be when the hardcore start seeing it and coming here to give the smackdown!!

  • May 7, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    And thats two Trek films in a row

    by kwisatzhaderach

    that are centered around a Romulan seeking revenge. Or Reman. Whatever.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I'LL BET APPLE OR MICROSOFT CREATED THE KM TEST

    by BringingSexyBack

    Am I right?

  • May 7, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah I totally agree with you about the design of the FX shots, way too close, no room to breathe.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by kwisatzhaderach

    That would have had some originality at least.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Imperious

    by genrefanboy

    Get a refund dude this will be a big let down. Its so bad I doubt the torrents when they come will get much traffic!!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 11:28 a.m. CST

    My actual words were The Phantom menace directed by Michael Bay.

    by Fortunesfool

    Which pretty sums up this moronic piece of shit. Abrams said at some point that this 'isn't your fathers Star Trek'. He was right. This is your Ritalin-addled, slightly retarded little brothers Star Trek and a sure sign that film-making has dropped to such a spectacular low that its getting rave reviews.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    STAR TREK AT 85% FRESH ON THIS TALKBACK

    by BringingSexyBack

    and falling. Damn. I might check my brain at the door after all.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:34 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You won't need your brain.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Flaws, Nits, and Questions..>Spoilers in here

    by captain_kirk

    1) Is it really such a rewrite that uhura could get it on with spock? in the original series, she was kinda repressed. She is so in this movie, so she could find it hot. Plus, she dug a fat-boy scotty in ST:V, and even made out with Kirk once (albeit under mind control). 2) I understand in the comic that explanations about the ship were made. Here's a few things. First, why did spock make so much red matter. Second, where was nero when romulus was blown to bits>? Third, why hate spock so much for a supernova he didn't start. fourth, where was he for 25 years? Why wait that long for revenge instead of just doing Vulcan? Supposedly a scene cut shows he was imprisoned (thus the klingon attack ....it was a klingon prison). Next, why doesn't he or anyone else age? Even if they age slower, spock visibly aged in 25 years. 3) Why does spock bother to tell kirk not to tell young spock about old spock? Especially since he seemed to openly share with jr. once jr. mistook him. 4) Is old spock out of the closet, so to speak? If he's identified a new vulcan colony, what is his role? what will his identity be? 5) Why weren't there any other federation staffers on that ship BUT Pike? I'm ok with cadets on the ship, and a young / small fleet. But where were the rest? Even so, why was Chekov there? 6) Did I miss an explanation about the enterprise being built in Iowa? 7) Was this the first trek movie with product placements? Bud and Nokia? I thought it was a pretty damn awesome movie. There were tons of problems with it, but the bottom line is that none of that matters in the face of a compelling story with rich characters. I'm in the minority because I didn't 100% love Bones. But I thought everyone (including Urban) pretty much nailed it. Chris Pine IS Kirk. Live Long and Prosper!

  • May 7, 2009, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Kirk's mother

    by kwisatzhaderach

    goes into childbirth at the exact moment everyone is being evacuated off the USS Kelvin. There are so many plot contrivances in this thing you wouldn't believe.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    captain_kirk

    by kwisatzhaderach

    where was the compelling story?

  • May 7, 2009, 11:42 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderachsdfe5afcachoogezundheit...

    by captain_kirk

    first, you must be one of those oddballs who loved wolverine. Second, Spock's change in destiny is tragic. Third, how could you not root for those guys? Fourth, more importantly, the movie showed that you can change events but keep the essence of a character. How many times in this movie did Kirk cheat or escape death? Luck out when he thought he was a goner? Basically, what he did was what he did in the old series and movies--find a way to rise to the occasion.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    It comes down to this.

    by Fortunesfool

    If you think the young(car stealing) Kirk hitting his futuristic ipod and The Beastie Boys 'sabotage' blaring out is an 'awesome cool'idea then you're gonna love this drivel. If you think its an appaling idea and a sign of how bad film-making has really gotten? then avoid it like a plague.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    captain_kirk

    by kwisatzhaderach

    There's no fucking way I would watch that Wolverine shit. Get a grip son.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:49 a.m. CST

    captain_kirk

    by genrefanboy

    Your a studio plant right?? </p> Its ok we can see though this damage limitation having got used to it over the years. </p> There is no story being told complelling or otherwise. End of. Its just a lazy poor string of contrivances.It would take a very long time to even explain all the problems with this movie. </p> Rich characters. Ha ha your a comedian right!! </p> There is no exposition in this movie in any way shape or form. </p> Chekov was there to annoy the audience with his ridiculous accent and Wesley Crusher abilities. </p> You were at least awake in this movie as you spotted that how can Nero travel through time via black holes created by unknown or enexplained means but we are led to assume red matter. Yet Nero has to wait 25 years (without aging a bit) for Spock to show up as his amazing time travel tech cannot do 25 years old less!!!! There lies the problem with the script and story is written by morons for morons!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Mass no shows at my screening

    by genrefanboy

    Just remembered that the entire row in front of me was totally empty. I even asked the manager about it as I wanted to move there and he said that the group of people who booked in advance tried to get a refund but the cinema does not do this so they no showed rather than watch this garbage. </p> We are talking 30 seats in a premium showcase cinema @ $21 per seat and they no show because of how bad it is!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Genrefanboy and Kwisatzhaderach's are incapable

    by cameron1975willi

    of accepting change. If you don't evolve you die. Can't say it'd be a great loss to mankind if you two Ass-Clowns fail to have any offspring.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:08 p.m. CST

    kwhatzitmonkey

    by Saluki

    I'm not going to rail on you for your views, I might agree with them. But all these messages look kinda self-serving. Whatever, I've probably been guilty of the same before. This place needs edit features.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Saluki

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Just putting my opinions out there. I'm sure a lot of you guys will love the film.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    cameron1975willi

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I was totally up for the film and had an open mind at the beginning sue to the practically 100% good reviews. But the movie was a total miss for me. <p> Thanks for the comments about my potential offspring though. That's really relevant to talking about the filmmaking skills of Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci. <p> What's your opinion of the film?

  • May 7, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    but then again...

    by Fortunesfool

    A lot of you guys are probably pot smoking 15 year old morons who bounce about in your seats at every over edited bit of cgi eye candy and couldn't care less about intelligent storytelling and characterisation.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Star Trek under JJ is Star Wars - Spoilers

    by Bumpasses Dawg

    Very slick piece of work. It moves so quickly, that there is barely time for any emotional resonance, and things happen that should be very heavy in the Trek universe. Spock prime basically becomes Obi Wan Kenobi to Kirk's young Skywalker. JJ was right - he was a bigger fan of Star Wars. Bana, sadly, becomes a rather lightweight villain... no comparison to Khan. But then, the film moves so quickly and slickly past huge events, we are not given time to care. Still, it was a likable, fun summer movie and much popcorn will be munched. I agree with the invisotext on the flaws. But I really enjoyed the movie while watching it. Just as I enjoy Chinese food while eating it. The only thing that really stuck to my ribs was Karl Urban as Bones. BTW, it's amazing how losing one's father at a young age can cause them to grow a foot taller. Shatner Kirk's father must have done numerous things to stunt his growth... good thing Nero got him out of the picture. Let's add it up: Kirk Spock Uhura dynamic has Luke Han and Leah written all over it. The Ice Monsters are straight out of Empire. And the first thing Spock Prime says to New Coke Spock is a twist on the Vader Luke lines in Empire. It is a good, slick film, and there are many things to love, but the day after has me thinking it far thinner than it wants to be.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    oh. that was sarcasm by the way.

    by Fortunesfool

    for any American readers.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    For fuck's sake, what a load of whining!

    by SpyGuy

    No, the new film isn't perfect but it's better than at least 8 of the previous Trek films. Bitching about a Romulan not looking 25 years older (especially since Romulans have longer lifespans) only justifies the need to strip away all the bullshit built up over the decades and approach these characters from the ground up.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Hey kwisatzhaderach - Why Not Spock Creating Kobiashi

    by BojTrek

    Hey kwisatzhaderach, I like that Spock created the Kobiashi (spelling?). He says in Khan "I never took the Kobiashi until now". To me, it was cool because he could not take the test, because he created it and would not strike fear in him knowing all outcomes. It was not a big deal for me. Now Kirk meeting old Spock on the ice planet... yes, weak but still works... Nero threw him on the ice planet to watch Vulcan die. So, it is just a random encounter and does not bug me.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    BojTrek

    by kwisatzhaderach

    That's cool you dig it. I just thought it was too convenient that Spock created it, it just makes the Trek universe smaller.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Returns then?

    by BLEST

    Just as I suspected. It will be cool, fun, and shiny, but in 6 months even those who "LOVE IT!" like EVERYBODY at AICN, Time, Larry King, Ebert, etc ... did with Superman Returns will have a change in their tune.<p>I'll be there Friday night with the wife to see it of course, and I'm sure it'll be fun, but hey...I liked Superman Returns also. So what do I know?

  • May 7, 2009, 12:26 p.m. CST

    cameron1975willi

    by genrefanboy

    Its not about accepting change its about accepting a reasonable movie. </p> Sure they give you change here but they give you so much change and so little (if any) reason to care its change for change's sake as the cupboard of good ideas is bare. </p> There is little emotional resonance and you sound as though your the target demographic so I am sure it will engage your underdeveloped intellect in a way that only Lost or Alias or MI3 can!! </p> Your not another studio plant are you??

  • May 7, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST

    BojTrek

    by kwisatzhaderach

    In Khan Spock says of the KM test: "What do you think of my solution?" which would suggest he did not create it. But whatever. It could be argued either way. I'd have much rather it be a long-standing Starfleet tradition instead of being recently invented by Spock.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Also Spock Was Not Going Back In Time To Stop Nero...

    by BojTrek

    Thanks kwisatzhaderach! I still really enjoyed it. I like that things are changed because of Nero. Things that old Spock remembers wil not happen or might happen differently. Also, people think Spock was going back in time to stop Nero... he was sucked into the "time event" just like Nero. So, as soon as his ship comes out... he (Spock) is captured. Nero figured out when his ship would come out of the "time event" and waited. So, even if old Spock knew things changed, he was just coming out at a random time and could not prepare to stop him.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Narcissism and negativity go hand in hand

    by Arteska

    Ancient Vulcan proverb.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Arteska

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's not about being negative for negatives sake. It's about being negative because I saw a sub-standard piece of entertainment, and one that has been hailed as a masterpiece on here for weeks.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    I NEED PON FARR

    by BringingSexyBack

    Anybody wanna help a brother out?

  • May 7, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Ebert is a silly person, don't trust the Ebert

    by belasco_house

    His glowing review of The Happening, including praise of the 'quiet dignity' of Wahlberg's performance, is testament to his silly person-ness.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by genrefanboy

    If you think this is better than 8 of the ST movies I laugh at your superior intellect as you obviously took something from ST11 which I did not because I am not worthy to be brainwashed by this pathetic drivel material!!! </p> If you think that this movie offers these characters as built from the ground up then I once again applaud your superior movie watching skills in catching all the exposition and characterisation which I missed...whats that oh I did not miss any. </p> I knew that already!!! </p> Perhaps you would like to explain the parts I missed which had the character building parts.

  • Do you even watch LOST? Thanks to my "underdeveloped intellect," I can't even begin to describe what a completely fucked-up statement that is.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by genrefanboy

    Nimoy can help you out here as in this new movie he pon farr's with Kirk on the Ice Planet (after the TESB monster ripoff sequence that serves no story point whatsoever and looks lame and has the TPM gag) to deliver the backstory in about 25 secs via some poor looking CGI with some banal & hard to hear dialogue. </p> I need pon farr to make me forgot how bad this movie was!!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by genrefanboy

    If garbage like LOST is something you enjoy then that explains why this movie is so appealing to you. </p> How old are you between 15-20 or so??

  • May 7, 2009, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Trek Fans to JJ = Black people to Obama

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    Jesus..look at all of you..coming out of the woodwork. "WE DID IT WE DID IT! YAAAAAAAAAAAAY ...wait.I'm still a nerd?"

  • May 7, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Some character-building parts for genrefanboy

    by SpyGuy

    1) Kirk grows up in Iowa, talented but restless and is dared by Captain Pike to join Starfleet and make something of his life. Which he does. <p>2) Spock grows up on Vulcan as an outcast because of his mixed heritage. Faced with more discrimination, he leaves to join Starfleet and eventually has to face the loss of his mother and his entire planet.</p> <p>Now whether you liked what you saw or not, those were character arcs. The characters at the beginning of the film are not in the exact same place as they were at the end.</p>

  • May 7, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    You look to Star Trek

    by blakindigo

    to engage your intellect? Really? Wow. Isn't exactly "The Left Hand of Darkness" now is it?<br><br>It's amazing how a fun, entertaining space opera (I mean the entire Trek legacy) somehow becomes a litmus test for 'intellect' when many SF writers bemoan it's wonky science and underdeveloped ideas. Isn't one of the main attractions the fascinating characters?<br><br>I mean did Roddenberry really come up with a unique and precious jewel? Or is it something 'deeper'?

  • May 7, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    It Doesn't Work

    by Mr Underhill

    OK, I did enjoy the film. I enjoyed the multiple nods to ST history ....but: 1. Red Matter was created by the Vulcan Science Academy at a date AFTER the planet was destroyed? 2. I can accept that all the star ships were off on other missions, but the drill was destroyed by Spock's lone vessel - was there nothing flying on Vulcan or Earth that had some armaments? Overall, I thought it was a great cinematic experience, but I am irritated that script-writers are so lazy with plots involving time. Coming out I was enthused, but on reflection I think I still prefer ST 2, 4 and First Contact. M

  • May 7, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Wait where are the Star Trek banner ads on this site?

    by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer

    oh..OHHHHHH There they are..Good Timing Harry. Now please just replace the site's wallpaper with naked pictures of JJ Abram's and you'll be all set.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Glory_Fades

    by blakindigo

    Um…what? I call race fail on that shite.

  • Go back to pre-school, kid.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:54 p.m. CST

    If there is a place for nits to be picked about this movie

    by Arteska

    I'd suppose it's here but that's really what it's going to come down to on the whole I think. Most people that have enjoyed Trek in its various forms and to varying degrees will like this. If that makes them inferior I doubt they will care much, which would be necessary for the label to stick in any meaningful way.

  • May 7, 2009, 12:55 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Nimoy mind-melds with Kirk, don't worry they don't do the Pon Farr.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Old Spock

    by nyj_et

    I hope there's a scene in the movie that's (not coincidentally) similar to a famous scene in either the series or the old movies and he mutters to himself, "There's something familiar about all this...", you know, like Old Biff in BTTF2.

  • Although, "Nimoy Pon Farrs with Kirk" could become a great new AICN catchphrase.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    lol

  • May 7, 2009, 1:18 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by genrefanboy

    1: Yeah Kirk grows up in Iowa listening to the beastie boys as lets face it in 200 years their music will still be relevant.... And in 200 years they will still have classic combustion engine cars from today which 8 year old superkids can steal/drive and evade the flying motorcycle robocop on. Then even though we are never once shown any reason why, Kirk we are told is talented in something but cheats on the KM test in the most lamest and laughable manner ever like the actor is just slumming it for the money. </p> Ok I can believe all that really I can...... in a childens TV reality show maybe. </p> 2: Yeah Spock grows up on Vulcan and joins starfleet was ok to be fair I cannot fault that (shame the rest of the movie was nothing like it). Then when he is in Starfleet calls Kirk out as a cheat & a liar infront of the entire academy and his emotions do not get in the way of him blocking Kirk from the Enterprise and sending uhura to another ship then when she gives him the you will not get any action from me look Spock surrenders to his human side again and puts her on the Enterprise to help him save his homeworld. OK still with me I hope you are as its hard to follow right.... Then because Spock is upset with Kirk and even though the situation is serious he jettisons Kirk to an ice planet which just happens to be below so he can get Kirk out of his hair!!! </p> Yeah I can buy that as its so dramatic and believeable for the target audience I suppose......

  • May 7, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    You would have to be a right fucking SOURPUSS not to enjoy this

    by Captain Katanga

    The comparison to Phantom Menace is ludicrous. I can accept that this film is not want certain fans wanted, but the fact is that it succeeds entirely on it's own terms. The same cannot be said of the utter clusterfuck that was Phantom Menace.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    My attempt at a review

    by vadakinX

    I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams. I think he's a mediocre writer/director at best. Alias was his best work, something he abandoned early on. Lost is better off without him on the writing team, Felicity...well, not my cup of tea and Mission Impossible III was Alias: The Movie with Tom Cruise playing the part of Sydney over and over. He uses the same plot device over and over again aka jumping in time to the past or future (everything he's touched except Felicity, and I'm not even sure about that, has had flashbacks or flashforwards) and his Supermam script was an abomination. <p> I'm also not a fan of Robert Orci or Alex Kurtzman, the writers. They are average at best i.e. Zorro, and complete hacks at worst ie Transformers. <p> Where do I stand on Star Trek? Well I grew up with The Next Generation, never liked DS9 and considered Voyager to be TNG in reverse. I was bored by Enterprise after a couple of seasons. However I do think that Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan and Star Trek: First Contact are solid, enjoyable films. <p> What about the original series? I've only seen a handful of episodes, including the masterpiece of the series - City On The Edge Of Forever. <p> The thing about the Original Series is that is strikes me as being one third drama about social issues, one third science fiction and one third sitcom. Even the music within episodes is reminiscent of 60's sitcoms. <p> The thing about the Original Series though was that at its best it had some of the best writing in television. It was a landmark show and highlighted many social issues that just weren't PC to mention....and it was cancelled. Of course syndicated reruns kept the show alive and it would ultimately become a franchise that would live for 40 years and reach the edge of oblivion. The new movie is probably the last chance to save Star Trek from TV and Movie death. A hard thing after the wreck that was Star Trek Nemesis. <p> So...I don't like the director or the writers and I'm not a Trekkie/Trekker (what's the difference? meh). I did like TNG and some of the films but I'm not an avid fan. I was always a Star Wars geek. <p> Has Abrams defied the odds then and delivered a film that I like? Well....yes. But it's not without its flaws. <p> Star Trek is the best Trek film since First Contact. Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto have inherited the roles of Kirk and Spock to great effect. Karl Urban steals the show and McCoy and John Cho...isn't Japanese...um...he's Korean. Apparently all Asians look alike in the future <p> The best thing about the film are the performances by the actors taking on the much loved roles. Pine as Kirk has the swagger, the glint in his eye, he even channels Shatner in one amusing scene. There are a couple of times where he acts a bit too much like a stereotypical Hollywood teenager, but that's most likely down to the limits of the writers. For the most part, Pine IS James Tiberius Kirk and frankly, when Marvel start casting Captain America I would put him forward for the role. <p> Spock IS...Leonard Nimoy...and Quinto. It's interesting watching their performances. Nimoy's Spock is slightly different to Quinto, but that makes sense within the context of the story and despite the differences they both feel like the same person. <p> This is Spocks story. It's Kirks story. We see them from childhood all the way through to the bridge of the USS Enterprise. We watch them evolve as characters in a universe that has been changed from what we know of the Trekverse. The heart of the original series was in the relationship between Spock, Kirk and McCoy and this is true here though Urban's McCoy could have used some more interaction with the other two at the same time than he got. <p> Speaking of the story, what is it? Well I'm not going to go into too much detail. Suffice to say it's technically a sequel to what has gone before. Time travel is a plot device that is used to reboot the franchise and I guess it makes sense. It cements the idea that the entire Trek franchise is still canon but what we have entered is an alternate universe. In fact one of the characters even says that it's alternate universe, as if to appease the rabid Trek fans who don't want Shatner to be forgotten. It's a bit much quite frankly. They really spelt it out when they didn't need to. <p> The advantage of creating an alternate universe is that you can start again from scratch. The problem though is that the ability to do what you want with these characters could lead you in a direction that strays too much from what the heart of the characters were in the original series. An example of this is Uhura who in this film appears to be nothing more than eye candy. Sure she gets a couple of moments where she is supposedly strong and in control but for the most part her job seems to be to stand there, look pretty and be a shoulder for Spock to cry on...oh yeah, Spock is emotional in this film. <p> I'm not saying it's completely bad or anything, as I said above, it fits well but I may have preferred if Spock was a little more reserved at times. Meanwhile Checkov and Scotty seem to be little more than comic relief. There is even a scene that uses Checkov's Russian accent as a punchline, no doubt a real winner for Orci and Kurtzman <p> Then you have the villain, Nero. Bana plays the role well. Unfortunately I don't think that he is enough of a threat throughout the film. He has just a handful of scenes and to really get to know the character you need to read a prequel comic that fills in the backstory...that's just lazy. <p> I want to talk a little about the action. Say what you want about Lucas and Spielberg but one thing these guys do well is stage action scenes. They keep the camera relatively still long enough for you to get a sense of what's going on. Unfortunately Abrams doesn't share this trait. The action suffers from the use of the "shaky cam" effect and frankly I wish Hollywood would relearn how to keep the camera still. <p> The special effects by ILM are top notch as you would expect but I have to reserve special praise for the sound department. <p> If a Star Trek sound exists, it's in there. Everything from the sound the doors make when they open to the transporters and the red alert alarm is there. It certainly sounds like Star Trek. But perhaps the best thing about the sound in the movie is the transition from ship to space. You see, Star Wars has sound in space. You hear the roar of the Star Destroyers engines, the explosion of the Death Star etc. Star Trek has also had sound in space in the past. <p> This time however, there is no sound in space and it's used to great effect. There's a scene where Kirk and co are skydiving from space into the upper atmosphere of Vulcan and the effect is very well done there and in other scenes throughout the movie...having said that there are times where you do hear sound in space but even that's used well. <p> One of the problems with the film is the series of coincidences. We're in an alternate universe here so everytime a familiar character pops up, it's one hell of a coincidence. Ok, so you have to put the crew of the Enterprise together but given that history has changed, perhaps that's something that should have been debated a little more. Some may say that it's destiny but when a three characters happen to end up within 20km of each other on a mostly barren planet just so they can meet up...it's a bit lazy to be honest...after all planets are big. <p> There's also an action scene near the end of the second act (where one of these coincidences happen) that has no purpose whatsoever other than to get two characters sharing the screen. I remember watching it and thinking that it was completely pointless. <p> The ending of the film is also a little anti-climactic. The stakes are huge in this film but the ending is just a little...meh. Which brings up something else...the last scene of the film...there is something that annoys me about it. I won't say what it is....something is said by someone that I thought should have been said by someone else. But that's a small gripe. <p> The score is pretty good at times though the lack of Goldsmiths Star Trek theme was a bit of a downer. Sure, chronologically speaking the theme wasn't used until Star Trek: The Motion Picture but it's a new reality, I think it should have been in there. I should note though that the theme from the Original Series does play over the end credits, which was a nice touch. <p> Star Trek is a pretty good film. Most of the cast are spot on in their portrayals of the characters, the logic is solid apart from some shady coincidences and it does have some of the humour from the Original Series, even though there are a couple of lines that feel like leftovers from Transformers. <p> This is Abrams best work. It's Kurtzman and Orci's best work (though from what I've heard, they're back to their usual mediocre selves with Transformers 2). If you're a Trek fan then you're going to check it out anyway. If you're not a Trek fan then I say give it a chance. You don't need to have watched Trek to get into the film. It's pretty entertaining, feels like Star Wars at times (in terms of the adventure serial feel to Lucas' films) which isn't a bad thing and is well worth a watch. <p> Final Score: 7/10

  • May 7, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Holy Fuck! Better than Wrath of Khan!

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    Seeing it a second time tonight.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    nyj_et

    by genrefanboy

    Nope nothing. He tells the Young Kirk he can never meet his other self but thats exactly what he does in the tacked on near the end scene. </p> It comes from the screenwriting 101 class of just because we can do something we will and ignore our own plotpoint from 40 mins ago!!

  • May 7, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Cruel_Kingdom

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Um, what?

  • May 7, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Any one commenting that this is better...

    by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI

    Than Star Wars a New Hope. Get off of the crack! I've watched the first SW close to a hundred times. It was a genre breaking film that introduced a classic characters and universe. This is just a rebooted Star Trek with new actors playing already established characters. They aren't even in the same ballpark.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Captain Katanga

    by genrefanboy

    Your right The Phantom Menace had SOME good moments like the Duel Of Fates battle.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    SPOILERS

    by vadakinX

    Just want to say...for those who have seen it...the Kobayashi Maru (or however you spell it). Was it just me or did Pine go all Shatner in that scene?

  • May 7, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    So cool to say this sucks..just like TDK

    by Six Demon Bag

    but deep inside the haters really like it...idiots

  • May 7, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Screw Khan Sequel... Mirror Universe Kirk

    by BojTrek

    I would not touch Khan in the next movie... unless it is a mirror universe Kirk going after every Khan and other version of Kirk. I would bring back Shattner as the fat ruler of the mirror universe on a thrill mission to destroy all other versions of himself. Why not have Khan and young Kirk team up to detroy old fat Kirk and finally Khan turn on young Kirk and kill Uhura to have a pissed off Spock in #3 with the new guys...

  • May 7, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Someone complained about the car scene above

    by Arteska

    but clearly dismissed that the movie went out of its way to be explicit that he was joy-riding in a stolen "antique" with some "old-world" notions like a dated on-board song catalog. Honestly if you don't like something just be honest about it don't invent reasons why.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:49 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by genrefanboy

    You give the actor too much credit!! He munches on an apple and acts like a childish jerk who is bored and wants to go home already! His cheat is a reboot of the simulator computers and this upsets Spock so much he later puts Kirk on an escape pod & fires it onto the ice planet which happens to be nearby even though Vulcan is in peril Spock still find time to do this as its the logical thing to do apparently.....

  • May 7, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by kwisatzhaderach

    WTF are you talking about? I didn't like the film, it was crap. It's nothing to do with being cool. I wish I had gotten a cool film today. I didn't. If that makes me a hater fine.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Arteska

    by genrefanboy

    No reason to invent things as this movie will suck enough on its own merits!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by kwisatzhaderach

    What did you think of the film?

  • May 7, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Good God

    by Fortunesfool

    Has the standard of film-making dropped so low that people can't see that this is very badly written and directed. Star Trek villians used to quote Shakespeare. New Spock quotes Conan Doyle in this one and gets dissed by Kirk for it. You know why? Because its aimed at an audience of morons and written by morons. Movies like this shouldn't be playing to the dumbest audience, they should be trying to make the dumbest audience smarter. The more this goes on the more moronic all these movies are gonna get. It has to stop.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:53 p.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by vadakinX

    I meant in his mannerisms and speech patterns. I swear, in that scene I thought he was doing a Shatner impression

  • May 7, 2009, 1:56 p.m. CST

    genrefanboy is determined to prove The Onion right

    by SpyGuy

    http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film?utm_source=a-section

  • May 7, 2009, 1:58 p.m. CST

    When Heidi Klum is pictured

    by kwisatzhaderach

    doing the Vulcan hand salute you know something, somewhere is horribly wrong.

  • May 7, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The thing is the Onion says the Trek film is bashed as being fun and entertaining. <p> But it's neither of those things.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Anyways

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It'll be interesting to log back on later and see what others make of it. Enjoy.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by genrefanboy

    I hate this movie because is total space garbage. </p> I like so called trashy films like Amageddon & The Island. Its not like I have high standards at all. </p> This movie fails for me on so many levels and the lack of storytelling & filmaking craft for such a high profile release is a shocking new low for Hollywood.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Fortunesfool

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Right on, man! Resist the stupidity!

  • May 7, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by genrefanboy

    Sorry dude I missed that as I could not get over how poor he acted the scene like it was a high school slumber party game or something!! </p> I think Pine lacks the acting skills to emulate Shatner anyway.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Pine is the Shats!

    by captain_kirk

    First, I'm no plant. Those of you who see me post know I've been doing it for years. The movie has tons of coincidences, and yes, it's a bit lazy. But without the shorthand movie scripting, a movie like this couldn't have been made. I'm willing to accept it because the end product was so good. I kept thinking that Spock Jr sounded nothing like Spock Sr, which was the biggest complaint I think I had about the muppet babies' imitation. But at the end of the movie, there was a convincing relationship established between those two principals. And it felt good to see.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:35 p.m. CST

    last line of the film

    by vadakinX

    Am I the only one who thinks it should have been Kirk delivering that line?

  • May 7, 2009, 2:37 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • May 7, 2009, 2:38 p.m. CST

    oops

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah it would have been cool for Shatner to do it.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Wow, this is still the same people arguing from when I last chec

    by rev_skarekroe

    And that was hours ago. Basically, it looks like three people hated this movie. So it's got about the same average as Dark Knight and Iron Man did last summer. Sort of the Bizarro version of Wolverine.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by captain_kirk

    I don't disagree about the line being delivered by Spock..but keep in mind he did deliver that line one other time in the movies--Wrath of Khan, I believe. So it was a connection to the past. It could have been shatner. It could have been Pine. But it was a bookend, not a beginning. it was used differently. Also, they refer to "no one has gone before" rather than "no man". To me, it gives it a feeling of continuity from the post-TNG era. I think that's why they did Spock.

  • May 7, 2009, 2:56 p.m. CST

    ...

    by Darth Scourge

    Well, they certainly rebooted the franchise with a bang. It'll be interesting to see the next installment, to see where they take this strange, bold new Star Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by Six Demon Bag

    you might not wanna say you like Armageddon too loud..psst JJ abrams wrote it.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Kwizzatch? shadrach

    by Six Demon Bag

    im just saying i respect your opinion. it just eaier these days to anonomously hate the shit outta film. but for all i know you could have a shrine in your house to all things abrams. many people on this TB have yet to see the film (im included--im waiting to see before i judge) and are hating for hates sake. yet they will see it, be entertained (more so perhaps) but not recant. they will find some minutia to nitpick about or gripe and continue to hate ad infinitum publicly..

  • May 7, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cheers dude. I have no Abrams shrine. I enjoy Lost but thats as far as me and him go.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:14 p.m. CST

    This was GREAT, just what Trek needed

    by performingmonkey

    No it's not a perfect movie (needs 10 minutes of breathing space or something, perhaps there'll be an extended cut??) but it's fucking entertaining. Some of you are acting like you've never seen a movie before, whining about coincidences and everything. It seems we've forgotten how to simply enjoy any kind of movie without meticulously picking it apart before the credits have even rolled. This is just the BEGINNING of new Trek! Pine was brilliant as Kirk. He was actually pretty Shatner-esque in a few scenes, despite many reviews saying otherwise. Just because he's not aping the Shat's crazy speaking pattern doesn't mean he's not channeling him in a big way. He plays the young, cocky, rebellious good guy with ease and without it seeming in any way cliched IMO. Quinto rules as Spock. Love the Uhura relationship! Zoe Saldana is another fine piece of casting. They could easily have just cast some bimbo or Beyonce or something ruined it, but Zoe is a great actress and brings credibility to Uhura. Urban as McCoy...what else needs to be said?? Hope he has a larger role in the sequel. Same goes for Sulu and Chekov who hardly had any lines.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Six Demon Bag

    by genrefanboy

    Dude I know he wrote that. If he could have wrote this and made it as enjoyable as Armageddon I would be happy to praise this. </p> Unfortunately he dropped the ball and his lack of talent on the big screen is now more obvious than ever. Both MI3 & Star Trek had TV style close ups all the time & terrible cinematography. </p> The writers are the biggest problems here and this entire group of film makers were not experienced enough to see the problems with the story execution as they were too busy worshipping their paychecks.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST

    PerformingMonkey

    by FilmFan311

    What YOU said! Exactly! Well played. One of the most entertaining films I've seen in a very, very, very long time!

  • May 7, 2009, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Star Trek is FUN again

    by lockesbrokenleg

    and you guys are complaining? Come on!

  • May 7, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe - you have nailed it

    by Youngdog

    Bizarro version of Wolverine.<P>HEY BAY! FOX! NO MORE FUCKING EXCUSES!<P>JJ just proved you can have fun and 'splosions and STILL create something that doesn't feel like it was shit out to satisfy demographic obsessed studio bean counters.<P>I do want to go on about how much I loved it but my head is still swimming from seeing it. I'm also a bit concerned that vadakinX has seriously dented the worlds supply of ASCII code

  • May 7, 2009, 4:36 p.m. CST

    NPR LIKED IT

    by BringingSexyBack

    And they have a No Brain Checking policy!

  • May 7, 2009, 4:42 p.m. CST

    All this is great, but...

    by Magnus Greel

    Do the doors sound right when they open and close? Does the phaser fire sound right? These things are important people!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 4:52 p.m. CST

    MAGNUS

    by BringingSexyBack

    m.cnn.com/cnn/ne/ent/detail/298469;jsessionid=64F8CDDF2525BC07D448FAC92DDA14A3.live4ib

  • May 7, 2009, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Scotty's Oompa Loompa pal ruled!

    by pokadoo

    And combined with the bit where he gets stuck in the engine and sucked up the tubes, def a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory vibe. In general, I loved this Trek, and can't wait to see it again.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Ebert was a great man...

    by crankyoldguy

    but that was another life. Or at least previous decades. Now, sadly, he wouldn't know fun and imagination if took him to another quadrant.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:17 p.m. CST

    People who like this movie:

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    How old are you? Because I'd venture to guess none of you are older than 7. And don't make shit up, because that's just sad.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Cant be worse than the last two (movies and series)

    by Six Demon Bag

    i dont see "produced by Rick Berman" anywhere...ITS SAFE TO GO BACK IN THE WATER!!

  • May 7, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Just got back from a viewing

    by StarskyandHushky

    Loved: Urban, Quinto, Nimoy, Pegg, Bana, the guy who played Chekov, the humor. Liked less: Lack of 'Trek feeling' and sensitivities, shakey cam, Pine. Overall: Excellent movie, but could have done with a bit more brain.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Abrams to Purists: I'll drive you crazy and then I'll kill you a

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    "While the new Star Trek movie is receiving mostly approving reviews from film critics, director J.J. Abrams is apparently bracing for an onslaught of criticism from those he calls 'Star Trek purists.' In an interview with Australia's AAP wire service, Abrams has this advice for them: 'Don't waste your time.' He indicated that he has already heard from some who were particularly critical of the fact that he did not find a slot for William Shatner, the original Capt. Kirk, in the movie. 'For them I say, Don't see the movie. You'll just get angry. It is not Shatner playing Kirk, so I do apologize.' And actor Chris Pine, who plays Kirk in the new film, indicated that he went out of his way to avoid watching Shatner movie and TV appearances. 'I know how I work and by watching a lot of Mr Shatner's performances as Captain Kirk I knew by osmosis I would get on set and try and impersonate Mr Shatner,' he said. 'It was not my job. I didn't want people to start paying attention to whether I was doing a perfect William Shatner.'" Via http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0774061/. How about we just waste you and call even, Abrams, you gutless flab!

  • May 7, 2009, 5:25 p.m. CST

    ^^ should have been "all". Like Pennywise the Clown...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    ...who Abrams seems to have taken his personality from. The puss!

  • May 7, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Names

    by DennisMM

    How can I take this stuff seriously when you run around with the sorts of names y'all do? Especially the ranters. Hey, trolls - get a real name, buy some medication to calm yourself down and then we'll talk. And drop the sexual insults. They only betray your 12-year-old fixations.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Even 7 year olds thought Wolvieturd was complete shit

    by G100

    I love these hilarious hysterical whiners who just can't shift the sand from their Vaginas about Trek.<p> <p>Of course nobody is listening to them but their impotent wailing and bawling is very amusing.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    P.S.

    by DennisMM

    I am really hoping to like this movie. But I'd really hoped to like "Watchmen," and look what happened there.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I came here to talk about Star Trek...

    by scnjedi

    ...but it seems everyone would just rather insult everyone else, as per usual on this site. So, I'm just gonna put this out there. I enjoyed Star Trek, I enjoyed Watchmen, I enjoyed Wolverine. You can insult me if you want, but I can assure you my opinion will not change, so you'd be wasting your time.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I DRINK YOUR DILITHIUM!!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    I DRINK it up.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    CHRIS PINE DOESN'T IMPERSONATE THE SHAT?

    by BringingSexyBack

    In my world, that's a GOOD thing. I don't like what's in your world.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:43 p.m. CST

    dino...

    by crankyoldguy

    if I'm 7...than I'm the 7 year old who could kick your sorry fat ass with ease. go watch some idiocy with Seth Rogen....just go away

  • May 7, 2009, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to steal this tonight.....

    by conspiracy

    before I give fucking Orci and Abrams one red cent.</p><p>No I do not trust the "reviews", I keep seeing the words "Sick", "kewl", "Ruled", "Owned" in alot of descriptions...that alone gives me pause. Something keeps saying this is Trans Trek, more than Star Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:50 p.m. CST

    crankyoldguy

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    But you admit you are 7, despite your name. Or at least have the mental acuity of a 7-year-old, which is obvious from your posts. I'm right again!

  • May 7, 2009, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Gained a budget, lost a heart

    by Son of the Suns

    It looks like Star Trek and it sounds like Star Trek, but it didn't taste like Star Trek. This film is big, full of special effects, explosions, action. What it doesn't have is great character moments, intricate plot or any sense of surprise. The greatest parts of the original films came when Kirk, Spock and McCoy shared a quiet, intimate scene, or turned an action scene into a character moment. Not here. Anywhere. Forget Row Row Row your boat. Forget "I love Italian... and so do you". Forget "I have been and always shall be your friend". Well, perhaps not the last one. Still, this film lacks pacing, structure and a heart and it seems like the 'critics' are afraid to say that.

  • May 7, 2009, 5:53 p.m. CST

    On another note, just saw a T:S TV spot...

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Looking more promising the more they show us. Maybe I'll just save my money for that...I could use a dose of Stan Winston's robots after seeing myriad ads for JJ's ass-ugly Drek Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:04 p.m. CST

    they cancel TNG in order to bring us...

    by Azlam Orlandu

    ...4 sub par 2 hour episodes, once every 2 to 3 years. I'll take Abrams' Trek over that any day of the week.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Genrefanboy you whiny little bitch

    by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise

    We get it. You didn't like the damn movie. That's fine. Now get a life and shut the fuck up.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Azlam Orlandu

    by Son of the Suns

    The dialogue, acting and story is actually a lot better in Generations and First Contact than JJ's, even if the cinematography and budget was not.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:24 p.m. CST

    This film is like the douche...

    by Seany-Wan

    that is removing that "unclean" feeling left over by "Nemesis."

  • May 7, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Star Trek will Prosper

    by swedishero

    This was an awesome movie. It will probably be the best movie of the summer given how smart, entertaining, and character driven it was. If you don't think this movie sets an amazing tone for the future of Star Trek then you are just an idiot. I would agree with whoever said that this movie ='s batman begins. The movie had some problems but is still an amazing new platform for what will become and amazingly successful and entertaining series. Keep in mind, I could have given 2 shits about Star Trek before last night...Now all I care about is when the next dam one is coming out!

  • May 7, 2009, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Before I take the time to steal this thing...

    by conspiracy

    can someone tell me if there is a plausible storyline presented here in which a Cadet Stowaway becomes the anointed Captain of the Enterprise by the end of the movie? Or does The Federation in this time line just let anyone who says "I called firsties" get to sit in the chair?

  • May 7, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    swedishero

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    "If you don't think this movie sets an amazing tone for the future of Star Trek then you are just an idiot...Keep in mind, I could have given 2 shits about Star Trek before last night". Well, I'm glad you're such an expert about the future of a franchise you know fucking nothing about. Now stop babbling out of your ass.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Happy happy

    by series six

    joy joy

  • May 7, 2009, 6:35 p.m. CST

    THE FACT THAT NPR CALLS START TREK 'SATISFYING'

    by BringingSexyBack

    has me in a quandary as to whether or not I'll be checking my brain at the door. I'm leaning towards taking it in, as Roberto suggested.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:36 p.m. CST

    And the "alternate timeline" bullshit

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    doesn't make any sense if you actually think about it for more than 2 seconds. Of course, JJ isn't capable of thinking for more than 1.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:37 p.m. CST

    conspiracy

    by DennisMM

    Yes. Or, rather, Pike does, ignoring the existing command structure on the ship. This is not unlike Kirk of TOS appointing a random yeoman to the position of first officer.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Trek was fucked. This brought it back. Get over it.

    by Beejus

    The usual influx of naysayers being negative in order to appear controversial is now in full flow. You bellends are the equivalent of wrestling fans who cheer baddies for the sole reason that it makes you look more hardcore. Get over it, this Trek film has sorted out a tired and clichéd franchise and brought it up to date. Not only up to date, but also a good platform has been established in order to explore how other things in Trek mythology would pan out on an alternate timeline. Naysayers can have an asphyxi-wank with the tape from their blag VHS recordings of TOS for all I care.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Franco Begbie

    by BadMrWonka

    if people woo Harry, it's more because of this site as an OUTLET, not as a way of buying manufactured good reviews.<p>what's the difference between Abrams doing an interview, or granting a set visit with AICN, or him doing it for Entertainment Weekly? in my mind, it speaks volumes to the integrity of this site that it can be considered legitimate by studios, but still retain the geekiness and love for film that inspired it.<p>look at it this way, would you ever expect Abrams and the studio to somehow completely shun AICN with a movie like this? it's huge, AND it has geek appeal, this is RIGHT UP AICN'S TERRITORY. of course they're going to throw a lot of attention our way.<p>if you really think that AICN has posted more reviews than they normally would simply because they got a few interviews (interviews that many other sites and publications have got as well), then we disagree, but you have a valid point. if you don't really believe that, then you don't have much of a point at all.<p>the slip side of all this is the argument that 99% of the visitors to this site are going to see this no matter what. if Abrams and his fictitious minions really wanted to score a coup, they wouldn't court Harry OR us...they already have us. whether you want to admit it or not, I'm sure Abrams wants this movie to be big, but he's already done his part by making a good and exciting film. and not everything is a conspiracy theory. Abrams has taken his licks form this site in the past. but geeks are geeks, and they stick together.

  • May 7, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    So this is another "Training mission" called to duty

    by conspiracy

    story? So it IS Wrath of Khan?

  • May 7, 2009, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I think Eddie Murphy said it best

    by Amazing Maurice

    You gotta be a horny mother fucker to fuck a green bitch. <p> Now I ain't no racist, but if the bitch is GREEN, there's something wrong with the pussy.

  • May 7, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Not a training mission

    by DennisMM

    from what I can tell. Just full of fresh-from-the-Academy grads, who always go off on the most important mission in decades, in a brand new ship. None of that working-their-ways-up on lesser vessels for our cast.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:08 p.m. CST

    DennisMM...AH! I Got it! Star Trek for Hot Topics Shoppers?

    by conspiracy

    What, Star Fleet did not have some more experienced members planet side they could have called in from the Active Duty Reserve ranks to handle this affair? Or perhaps some on vacation?</p><p>Ya know...I've heard Annapolis always puts the graduating class as command officers in Ohio Class boats. ;) lol

  • May 7, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by Boborci

    Do it!

  • May 7, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Sheepish

    by DennisMM

    conspiracy, I have to admit that they send off the tyros because EVERYBODY is running out to meet Nero's attack. But they still wouldn't load up the newest Constitution-class with a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears types. Nope. Wouldn't happen, IMO. But I'll shut up about it.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:20 p.m. CST

    I Won't Go Because of the ShakeyCam

    by WriteFromLeft

    So I'll live vicariously through the reviews. ShakeyCam makes me seasick and it's completely unnecessary.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Going to be sacrilegious here

    by DennisMM

    I don't like action movies. Even the "good" ones generally bore my ass. The supposedly required amount of violence in these films - enough to get an R rating - often turns me off. So the idea of an action-packed Trek film has me skeptical. I watched Trek for the ideas, the character interaction and the human drama, even if it was melodrama. One Trek film with planets blowing up was more than enough from where I sit. And for my money, Kirk throwing a few drop kicks and karate chops on a Gorn was plenty of fisticuffs. Hell, in WOK, Kirk and Khan don't even meet and there are NO fistfights and only two quick starship shoot-'em-up scenes. <P> I know, I'm old. *sigh*

  • May 7, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by quantize

    and what a worthy opinion...you're dead inside...end it now

  • May 7, 2009, 7:29 p.m. CST

    It's one of those films...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    where the more you think about it it just falls apart. Looking forward to hearing more thoughts though, where is everyone?

  • May 7, 2009, 7:30 p.m. CST

    First Post Ever

    by footumch

    Just walked in from seeing Star Trek. Been first in line to see every Star Trek movie since TVH! Love all the series (except Enterprise) and all I can say is..... Brilliant!! Hasn't fully sunk in yet! Gonna see it a few more times but I fuckin' loved it! Going to bed happy!

  • May 7, 2009, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    by swedishero

    Well before J.J.'s Star Trek...No one gave a rats ass about the franchise except for the Trekkie fan base which couldn't salvage a films box office to save its own life. Finally there is a movie that can appeal to all bases of the film going public and is a solid foundation for a lucrative franchise. What in your mind is good for the franchise...do you forget that Hollywood is a business?

  • May 7, 2009, 7:50 p.m. CST

    It was fun...(Spoilers ahead)

    by KingKirby

    I saw "Star Trek" on Tues at the Tempe Marketplace Cine Capri (where "Wolverine" had it's WORLD Premiere). I think the film is a whole lot fun. I'm going to have to see it again just because I was so busy comparing old and new. I love the concept of the reboot...that somethings will change while some stay the same...although my mouth dropped open in disbelief as both Amanda and Vulcan disappeared into nothingness. And as a huge "Star Wars" fan, I'm glad to see that Abrams' Trek universe has taken Lucas' ethic of making it look like a real, lived in place (original trilogy that is). The cast is uniformly fine: Chris Pine's Kirk is part hero, part jerk, part cad; I love that Quinto's Spock is much more willing to explore his human side; Eric Bana's revenge seeking Romulan is awesome...a villain who doesn't truly care what happens to the universe as long as he gets what he wants (the details on the time travel of both romulans AND old Spock are a little hazy...as is the fact that if he could travel thru time why not just stop Ambassador Spock from using the Red Matter?); and Zoe Saldana's Uhura is just all kinds of DAMN SHE FINE! I'd like to see MORE of Bones and make it more about the Main Three instead of the Top Two. As well, the camerawork is a little shaky. A friend made the comment that the one real place that should be stoic is the bridge, yet I can really think of only one time where the bridge gets a brief moment without the camera moving all around. As well, I was a little bugged by the lights on the top of the bridge which keep coming into frame and overwhelming the picture, not to mention the fact that the "Trek" theme song doesn't come in AT ALL until the very end to what sounds like the exact same reading of Spock's "Space..the final frontier.." from Star Trek III. Really, J.J.? Couldn't you have gone back to Kirk stating the original "five year voyage" lines, ending with "no man" instead of "no one". But those are frankly pretty much the only nits I could pick for the whole film. Just please add more Scotty (and less of his little friend) to the next outing. Action, sex appeal, the beginnings of the friendship...not knowing what's going to happen next! "Star Trek" is fun again and I can't wait to experience it all again this weekend! A solid 4 out of 5....so says the King.

  • May 7, 2009, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Harry...FYI

    by Blancoshadow

    Whether such online attention hurt "Wolverine" at the box office is debatable, but Fox's assertion of 4 million is about four times greater than previous estimates. At last year's average ticket price of $7.18, the piracy could conceivably -- though not likely -- have cost Fox $28.7 million.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Best Trek film. Stubborn fans don't deserve to watch it.

    by Damien Chowder

    I know a few people who hate it when they haven't watched it even though it's garnered rave reviews all over. Face it Trek was dying and this is what was needed. JJ got rid of the idiot fans who were dead weight and now the ship is flying again.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Blancoshadow

    by BadMrWonka

    the bigger point is that, if a movie that was actually GOOD (cough cough, Star Trek, cough cough) had leaked, then a lot of the people who had downloaded it and watch it, would have gone to see it in the theaters as well.<p>no one is going to pay to see shit they have already seen, unless the effects, the story, and the spectacle warrant it. Wolverine is shit, and it still did huge numbers. if it would have spread it's shitty stain over even MORE tickets, I'm not gonna lose much sleep over it. the sequel has already been green lit, so let's not cry too hard.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    If you think about 99% of sci-fi concepts for 2 seconds...

    by performingmonkey

    ...they fall apart! FFS, Star Trek is and shall always be a big load of bullshit in space, but that's why we love it!! You can't enjoy 40 years of Trek then start complaining about what Abrams and co did here.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Excellent negative review Genrefanboy

    by Wayne6000

    Having seen the film, I was going to post my dislike of it and how overpraised and overrated it's been, but Genrefanboy's excellent negative analysis of the film is spot on,so he's saved me the trouble.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Trek is teh Shat

    by Flames_AND_Nipples_On_The_Enterprise

    Made me happy. Did not regret buying a ticket. Will see it again. Pure gold, I tell ya! Wolverine is the Anti-Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Can AICN please offer some negative or semi-negative reviews

    by Greenflame0

    I'm sure we'll get Alexandra Dupont's review, but I saw the film and came away hugely disapointed (which I expected, as JJ Abrams and his team are mediocre writers).

  • May 7, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    not a spam but NUKETHEFRIDGE.COM has 4min of T4

    by fartman543211

  • May 7, 2009, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Not My Trek

    by tallsy

    Where were the liberal platitudes dressed as profundities to make the audience aware that they were watching something "thought provoking?" How dare they not include a sanctimonious lecture on tolerance!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Fun movie but wayyyy too many 'nuking the fridge' moments

    by SifoDyasJr.

    But I still enjoyed it a lot. Too bad we'll have to wait years for the next one--wish they could do a series with this cast.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:56 p.m. CST

    sifodyasjr- what Nuked The Fridge?

    by fartman543211

  • May 7, 2009, 9:06 p.m. CST

    The Haters suck the Blue Cock of Dr. Manhattan

    by victor82

    This film succeeds in its primary mission: making Trek accessible to a mass audience. That's why Abrams was brought in. Yes, it fails on a coincidence and lazy writing level, but THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE MASS AUDIENCE, WHICH WANTS ENTERTAINMENT. <P> I went to the Thursday night premier tonight. Few identifiable Trekkies. Regular audience. First 7 pm showing sold out. Second auditorium about 85 percent full. People lined up for the 10 o'clock show. Audience liked what they saw, laughed in the right places, loved Simon Pegg, loved Boromir as McCoy, and really liked the scene where Uhura and Spock do the liplock on the transporter thing next to Kirk. That scene was really done well. <p> The movie does what it is supposed to do: entertains the mass audience and REALLY revives the franchise the way Batman Begins paved the way for the Dark Knight. <p> People leaving that film loved Star Trek. This movie will be a hit. Period. <p> As to you haters? Dr. Manhattan is waiting!

  • May 7, 2009, 9:13 p.m. CST

    The first 10 minutes of this movie were glorious

    by cossack_says_die

    I would pay the 10 bucks again just to see the first ten minutes. The rest of the movie was great, dont get me wrong. BUT, it was nothing compared to the first ten minutes.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I loved it!

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Forget remakes, reboot prequel-sequels are the way to go. Bring on Terminator Salvation!

  • May 7, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Damn.

    by MurrowsNewsroom

    Bliss. Pure Bliss.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:23 p.m. CST

    As for genrefanboy's rant...

    by scnjedi

    ...I refuse to read it until he learns to paragraph.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:29 p.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE WAS AS GENERIC AS AN MTV MUSIC VIDEO…

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    This didn’t feel like a story being told, it felt like I was being bombarded with a checklist of thing’s that needed to happen. Generic villain with a beef because of the lost of his family = CHECK, generic villain has a generic doomsday device that threatens Earth = CHECK, lots of generic direlogue and generic banter used to hide the lack of actual wit and style by the writers = CHECK, an ultra fast pace that is used to paper over the cracks in this over convoluted story and hide the fact that there isn’t really anything new here apart from nice art direction, good photography (except when Kirk and Pike are talking in the bar FOR CUNTING FUCKS SAKES KEEP THE MOTHERFUCKING CAMERA STILL!!!) and flashy, state of the art C.G.I.<br> <br>The worst part was just how bland everything felt. Abrams really should stick to TV because this guy has got nothing to offer apart from flash which is not the same thing as style. The best Directors have a unique perspective, a point of view in which they manipulate the story. Brian DePalma made Mission : Impossible, another adaptation of a TV show, and although he was a Director for hire on that job, he still imbued that movie with a flavor that was distinctively his own.<br> <br>At this point I’m content to call Abrams a competent hack. He’s from TV and the way his movies are Written and Directed show it and lets not forget that he didn’t exactly use the cred from those shows to make any sort of personal work. He cashed those chips in to become a studio Yes Man and grab a hold of two big budget franchise pictures. .<br> <br>The worst thing that can be said about J.J. Abrams is that it’s obvious that he doesn’t put his heart into his work and it shows because when I watch Mission : Impossible 3 and Star Trek I don’t feel someone trying to tell me a story, I feel like someone is trying to distract me from their lack of interest in what they’re doing.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Good, but...

    by colemanfrancis

    I would have enjoyed it more if the coincidences had been a little less preposterous and the explanations of Nero's motivation more deftly handled. And why did the fucking engine room have to look like the "sets" from a movie that was once MST3K'd called "Space Mutiny"? Oh, and young Kirk stealing a car and listening to the Beastie Boys is like a kid doing that today and blasting some Brahms. Sheesh.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:32 p.m. CST

    flaw/continuity/plot hole...please comment....

    by captain_kirk

    OK, here's something I wondered at the end of the movie: I get that Nero's ship was being sucked through the singularity/black hole and was heavily damaged as it was, leading people to believe the ship was destroyed. But why should we think it was destroyed if, according to the plot of the movie, the ship already survived one trip through the black hole. In other words, why is it that spock's ship and the Narada both survive intact, without any damage, but a planet doesn't? I can buy/theorize that the supernova collapsed upon itself and disappeared, affecting the black hole somehow...but here's the bottom line... Wouldn't Vulcan have survived the trip through the black hole, just as 2 ships did? Or, put differently, where was Vulcan's waste sent? Or When?

  • May 7, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    one other thing..

    by captain_kirk

    why do people think it was the enterprise being constructed in iowa?

  • May 7, 2009, 9:38 p.m. CST

    captain_kirk

    by TheMcflyFarm

    but isn't the black hole created after the red stuff destroys whatever you use it on? First the planet is destroyed, then the black hole is created. When used on the ship, the ship was destroyed.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    cossack_says_die - first 10 minutes

    by Kobaal

    Damn right. My tear count was approaching Return of the King by the time the titles came up. Incredible.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:39 p.m. CST

    MCFLY...

    by captain_kirk

    doesn't explain why Nero and Spock made it through

  • May 7, 2009, 9:41 p.m. CST

    BOB ORCI - I WILL!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Bale be praised, you have gone professional! Keep it up, high five!

  • May 7, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Memorized the Star Trek Encyclopedia?

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Yeah, then this probably isn't for you.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:44 p.m. CST

    time for a new encylopedia...

    by captain_kirk

    vulcan abridged edition

  • May 7, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    May 29th release in Japan - curse you Paramount

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Need to hire Kiefer Sutherland to headbutt the PAramount execs.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Enjoyed It A LOT, But.......

    by BoyNamedSue

    Except for the events on Star Trek Enterprise, this movie totally wipes out almost 40 years of Star Trek........is this a separate reality or is this the main timeline that's been corrupted??? TNG said many different realities could exist simultaneously, so that's what I'm hoping is the case here!

  • May 7, 2009, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Just saw it. Not impressed. Some of it was awful!

    by Snake Foreskin

    Quick thoughts:<p> The music sucked. Wynona Rider sucked. Especially her makeup. She was totally miscast. Why not just cast an elderly lady? Does J.J. have a hard-on for her or something? Stoopid.<p> Spock-Uhura sucked. Just lame. Nero sucked ass. Bana was wasted and his character motivation made no sense. In fact, the storyline was just plain stupid. And why exaclty did Pike have to give up command to Kirk at the end? He was't all that screwed up!<p> Bones wasn't nearly as intense and crabby as he should have been. He was just a poor man's imitation of Deforrest Kelley.<p> Chris Pine has the worst friggin skin I have seen on a guy in ages. Wow. The dude has no good side! Really hard to watch in IMAX.<p> For an expensive movie, the money didn't show up onscreen. Oh well. maybe it'll improve on second viewing. I doubt it.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    FIRST CONTACT WAS THE LAST GOOD STAR TREK MOVIE!!!FACT!!!

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Yeah, it felt like a two hour long episode of the TV show but Jonathan Frakes did a great job as Director and the acting was so rich in that movie. The only problem was the goofball shit with Zefram Cochran. Apart from that the flick had a nice horror vibe and good atmosphere.

  • May 7, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    FAN*FRIGGIN*TASTIC!!!!!

    by THE TRUE PINBACK

    I just got home from my first viewing of the new STAR TREK film, and all I can say is WOW!!! This movie is nothing short of fucking awesome. The ONLY thing I can say that I think the film lacked is a a great score-I wish that Jerry GOldsmith had been around to put music to this one. But I have to say that Michael Giachino-sorry about the spelling-has produced a score that is perfectly suited to this film. The special effects work by ILM was flawlessly spectacular. And ALL of the actors gave vibrant, fun performances. Abrams nad company have won me over-BRAVO!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    WE SHALL SEE

    by LT Weezie

    I won't be able to see the film til Sunday (Digital) so cannot truly judge til then...I know Leonard Nimoy will be superb. If he wasn't participating in it, I'd wait until the DVD came out, but by my two sets of original Spock ears (one from the original series, and one from STAR TREK-THE MOTION PICTURE), I'll be fair when I do see it and post on Sunday.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Best online review

    by SifoDyasJr.

    http://tinyurl.com/qaefbk

  • May 7, 2009, 10:05 p.m. CST

    THE SCORE WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE!!!FACT!!!

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    There was not a single distinctive piece of music except for the original TV theme and that was IT. A score needs to accentuate the emotion of what is happening on the screen and Michael Giacchino completely FAILED with this movie not to mention that he is one highly overrated motherfucker. Go back and listen to Jerry Goldsmith’s score for First Contact and then tell me that this asswipe is a good composer.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable' LINK

    by quantize

    Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable' LINK http://tinyurl.com/coxd2s

  • May 7, 2009, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Looking on Lime and TPB as i type....

    by conspiracy

    This better not blow like everything else you've touched Orci; although from everything I'm reading the script and story are very, very weak. I've also read where this is loaded down with the typical Orci tween sense of humor. However, it seems the too young to drive and Mountain Dew crowd are lovin the CGI and "Action" though. Star and Trekious?</p><p>I'll probably know by tomorrow night if I should pay to see this.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:08 p.m. CST

    ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan then you are FUCKING DEAF

    by quantize

    I gave my comments on the score earlier, before you bother busting a blood vessel on me (like i could give a shit)...the score, by MOST Hollywood standards is pretty good..the theme is a little weak. Like most of your comments, you have a point, you just have the wrong conclusions.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:09 p.m. CST

    btw you're way more creepy than thin

    by quantize

    ...go watch that Onion link you sad fuck

  • May 7, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    A few acne scars, even in Imax?

    by quantize

    I like to think human beings are evolved just enough to accept the Capt as a real person, rather than a plastic walking shtickbag. One thing that works about this movie is this version of the characters absolutely feel like real fallibe people.. If the best someone can bitch about is a fucking pock mark then you are a cunting sad fucking douchebag.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    wow, I feel just like I did when I drank new Coke.

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    gee, that was a very loud, flashy, yet underwhelming movie. I loved Star Trek for it's character development and sense of exploration. Granted it has jumped the shark more than any franchise in history, but this is the grandaddy of all shark jumping. Remember when NBC rejected the original pilot for being too intellectual? That ain't gonna happen here. Hope all the Jonas Brothers fans enjoy this film.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:14 p.m. CST

    yeah you're a jerk!

    by quantize

    you got your name right at least.. nice try with the Jonas Bros quip..doesnt hold up though

  • May 7, 2009, 10:17 p.m. CST

    ...this is what passes for "good"?

    by StarWarsRedux

    Ugh. Whatever. I'm a Star Wars fan. I don't really care about this crap. I gave it a chance. I'll stick to watching "Voyager" re-runs if I want to enjoy Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:18 p.m. CST

    WHY DID NERO'S SHIP HAVE TO LOOK LIKE AN H.R. GIGER PAINTING?

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Considering that it was supposed to be a mining ship I found the design to be horribly out of place. Why does a mining ship need tenticles?

  • May 7, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    It's cool to hate

    by zacdilone

    I'm amazed how many people post their hate for this film who are clearly only trying to position themselves as cooler than the rest of the world. AICN has a disproportionate number of talkbackers who fall into the "if you like it I hate it because I'm better than you" personality disorder.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:25 p.m. CST

    psychoanalysis of Haters on TB

    by captain_kirk

    Star Wars geeks cannot stomach the fact that this movie definitely proves Star Trek beats Star Wars.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    you guys are right!!

    by BadMrWonka

    http://tinyurl.com/coxd2s <p> it's wrong!!

  • May 7, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Star Trek = 2/5

    by Seth_Rogans_Hairy_Breasts

    The films plot was a mess, and very clunky. <br> <br> Nero was a piss poor villain.<br> <br> The lights in the background on the bridge caused a camera glare, and it fucked with peoples eyes that were watching it. <br> <br> The shakey cam was a horrible addition.<br> <br> The music was basically out of Revenge Of The Sith.<br> <br> Non Star trek fans in the cinema virtually all said, as an dumb action film it was 3 out of 5.<br> <br> Virtually all Star Trek fans in the cinema said it was cheap, nasty and disrespectful. And gave it 2 out of 5.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:33 p.m. CST

    JJ's guide to directing

    by Monkey Man Zero

    1. Massive lens flares in every scene. 2. See 1.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:34 p.m. CST

    SHUT THE FUCK UP MORONS THE MOVIE IS AWESOME!!

    by Vitter

    a really fun blockbuster, this is how you do it.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    quantize, EAT SHIT YOU SIMPLE MINDED MONGOLOID FUCKSTICK!!!

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    DID YOU ENJOY THE PRETTY LIGHTS AND THE BOOM BOOMS YOU SHIT FLINGING MORON? WERE BORN OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS ASSHOLE BECAUSE HER PUSSY WAS TOO BUSY OR DID SHE MASH YOUR FUCKING BRAINS WITH THE COATHANGER SHE TRIED TO ABORT YOU WITH, SPECIFICALLY THE PART OF GREY MATTER (IN YOUR CASE BROWN SINCE YOUR SKULL IS FILLED WITH SHIT) THAT ALLOWS NORMAL, RATIONAL HUMAN BEINGS TO DETECT THINGS LIKE PACE, NUANCE AND QUALITY WHEN WATCHING A MOTION PICTURE? YEAH, I WATCHED THAT ONION VIDEO AND LAUGHED MY ASS OFF BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT TREKIES ARE LIKE. I MYSELF HAVE ONLY A PASSING INTEREST OF STAR TREK AND UNLIKE THOSE BASEMENT DWELLING VIRGINS THAT GO TO THE MOTHERFUCKING CONVENTIONS, I AM ACTUALLY CAPABLE OF CRITIQUING A MOVIE BASED ON IT’S ATTRIBUTES SUCH AS SCRIPT, DIRECTION, ACTING AND THE MOTHERFUCKING SCORE WHICH IN THE CASE OF STAR TREK 2009 WAS A COMPLETE AND UTTER FUCKING FAILURE BY THAT TONE DEAF PUSSYFACE WHO’S COCK YOU FUCKING ASSWIPES HAVE BEEN SUCKING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!!!

  • May 7, 2009, 10:36 p.m. CST

    MTV Generation? WTF do you even mean?

    by hippie_killer

    MTV was like, 20 years ago. Star Trek has apparently leaped into the late 80's, and you fuckers at Hate It Cool News act like it's all too much. Good god. You're lucky that anyone even wanted to make a Star Trek movie. The others haven't exactly been box office gold.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST

    First 20 mins were good. Rest was bad.

    by Seth_Rogans_Hairy_Breasts

  • May 7, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Just got back

    by Captain Tragedy

    It was fantastic. I'm still going through the movie in my head and plan to see it again over the weekend. Plusses: Quinto, Bana (what we saw of him), Penn, Bones (Urban IS Bones McCoy) the visuals were beautiful, very funny, plenty of easter eggs for Trekkies. Minuses: Not enough Bana (seemed like a rushed characterization), Uhura annoyed the bejeezus outta me, Winona Ryder's whistly "S's" (but that's really all of her movies so she really cant help it). Can't wait to see it again.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:38 p.m. CST

    loved it, 2nd best after Khan, 9/10

    by Browncoat_Jedi

    Haters can suck it and go back to watching Wolverine.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Awesome. Fuck the haters.

    by Nix_Cadavre

    "Wahh! Spock isn't supposed to have a girlfriend! Kirk is supposed to get promoted to Captain in Starfleet and THEN get the Enterprise! Pike is supposed to end up in a box beeping yes or no!!! Wahhh!" <p> New timeline, new stories motherfuckers. If you don't want to be a part of it, then go watch your TOS DVDs, your Next Generation DVDs, and your Enterprise DVDs. Go suck B&B's cocks. <p> I liked this movie a lot. The new timeline gives them a clean slate to work with-- It's all new again. <p> And think about it: This means that everything that happened in Next Generation didn't happen the way we saw it. Hopefully we won't see the Borg, and the Ferengi won't be met by the Federation for a hundred years or so (although they DID mention Cardassians, so maybe the Ferengi are already known by the Federation... Who knows?) <p> Weird changes in this timeline: <p> Orion women aren't slaves, and enroll in Starfleet. <p> Phasers fire bolts, not beams. <p> Transporters can't easily grab a moving target. <p> Pike doesn't end up maimed & mute.<p> Uhura and Spock? How'd that happen?<p> There appear to be no Andorians in Starfleet. Considering they were originally a founding race, I find that interesting. <p> No Caitians in Starfleet, either. <p> ...<p> But you know what the BEST thing is? This new timeline means that KLINGONS ARE THE ENEMY AGAIN. That's very cool. It was always a big mistake to make them allies. They're more interesting as enemies.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:41 p.m. CST

    As much as I hate JJ Abrams' ancillary media, read Countdown

    by reflecto

    It helps with Nero. I believe more of this shit should be in the final film, but I haven't seen it yet. I usually hate JJ Abrams and all his works, but I am looking fwd to this.

  • The franchise can do something with that era again someday, if it likes. Me, I'd do an animated online series with it.

  • May 7, 2009, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Liked it so much, I finally joined AICN to comment

    by cchqq

    Just saw it tonight and thought it was amazing. First: anyone who says the new Kirk doesn't stack up with the old one is just being loyal to Shatner. Pine's Kirk is awesome. He never comes across as a characteristic of an overly headstrong, self-confident ladies guy. He honestly pulls it off, something Shatner never really could. Second: the special effects were the best I've seen in... ever? Not only were they visually stunning, but they felt legitimately authentic. They weren't in the Michael Bay-esq style of "I-want-you-to-shit-your-pants-while-having-a-seizure" cool. Better, they were in the "holy-shit-I'm-looking-at-the-Grand-Canyon-for-the-first-time" cool. Third: the story just moves, and moves naturally. It never holds up yet never feels rushed. Last: as a long-time Trek fan (only the second and sixth movies and TNG, DS9, though), I did miss the "Trek-feel" a bit. But that's okay. All things change. The new "Trek-feel" is more authentic, and that will disappoint some people who loved the idealistic feel of the original. Even if it does, though, give the new feel a chance. And to all you haters out there, wherever you are: fuck you, too!

  • May 7, 2009, 10:47 p.m. CST

    this is such a fucking weird site...

    by mikemikemotorbike

    I can't fucking understand how anyone who likes star trek wouldn't like this movie... Seriously... get your fucking head out of your asses... this hating of the film makes me really hate this site... If you want to watch wrath of khan go watch it? You probably own it on tape, laserdisc, DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray, downloaded on your PC, and taped on your DVR from when it was on the movie channels... Instead of worrying about the new star trek, why not just get excited about the next media format you can own it in and forget all about this new movie that's so fucking great, people might just actually give a flying fuck about star trek, instead of letting it die like the covers lifted off a dutch oven, the way it has over the last ten years.... This movie was fucking great... If this movie came out of nowhere - were it not some kind of fucking sacred ground, fanboys would still be shitting their pants over how much they loved this movie... It's like having a fucking 5 month old teething baby reading this site... WHAT WILL MAKE YOU STOP CRYING!?!? I'M GOING TO SHAKE YOU!!!!! SHAKE YOU UNTIL YOU STOOOOOOP.... oh, and wolverine wasn't that bad either...

  • May 7, 2009, 10:50 p.m. CST

    ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan...eloquent

    by quantize

    quite a feat for such an angry retarded child. you are a drop kick loser..go fuck yourself..oh scratch that, no doubt thats a daily occurrence in your sad sack of shit world

  • May 7, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    New Iron Man 2 Picture!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    http://tinyurl.com/pno7e3

  • May 7, 2009, 10:52 p.m. CST

    I cannot beleive how good it was.

    by Superponte

    I wnet in with high expectations. They were all exceeded

  • May 7, 2009, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Abrams StarTrek?... I'll catch it on the torrents thanx.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 7, 2009, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Anyone Else Notice These Scenes?

    by rwolfe7

    First off, the movie was fantastic. Not sure how they could have done better. I believed the new iterations of these characters, love that they didn't crap all over the older version of Star Trek because this created an alternate timeline--which somehow seems to me like it leaves the original version as still cannon and yet puts us in new, unpredictable, and potentially dangerous and novel territory, yet with these original, familiar characters. Haters are just goofy. On to what may be an odd comment, but, did anyone else notice two scenes that closely paralleled scenes in the animated movie Treasure Planet? I saw two that I thought could have been inspired by the scenes in that movie (familiar with it only because my young son likes to watch it from time to time, and it's a pretty cool animated flick.) The one with the kid driving the car so wrecklessly, and where they ended up riding the explosion out of the black hole. They were not ripped from the other movie in all their particulars, but they reminded me of the other scenes right away. (Not saying they stole them or anything, just wondering if anyone else found these scenes so simlar to the ones in the other movie.) So, is there any chance Khan gets left with the Botany Bay on a sand planet, Spock ever needs to be reborn on Genesis, Kirk eventually has a son to lose to a Klingon bastard--any of it--happen now???

  • May 7, 2009, 11:02 p.m. CST

    All I have to say from Arlington, TX is...

    by Bobbo1701

    And in the sixth year after its death, Star Trek did rise from the ashes like a grand, victorious phoenix.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:07 p.m. CST

    The NEW 4 minute Terminator 4 trailer looks FUCKING SWEET!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 7, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/dd5hno

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 7, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    This TOS fan is pleased

    by SingingHatchet

    I agree with many of the critiques here, but the question I have to ask myself... do I want to see it again in the theater? And the answer is yes. Music = letdown. Only a few grand establishing shots, also a let down. Also, unlike the original Star Trek movies, the ship's interior design doesn't seem to be well thought out. The engine room seems like they ran out of money and just found an chemical plant. Those details made the first few Trek films great. But overall, I am please. I didn't like any of the Trek films since Star Trek 6, this one is the first one that feels like a real Star Trek film and not just an extended episode. (Okay, First Contact was okay)...

  • May 7, 2009, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Also there are about a BILLION

    by SingingHatchet

    allusions to the original Star Trek movies. Many nods...

  • May 7, 2009, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Just chipping in about "locust"

    by Toonol

    He's the most irritating, juvenile yet arrogant, person in the talkback thread so far.<p> I wanted to make sure everybody noticed.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:17 p.m. CST

    ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    by Kobaal

    Wow, that was epic. <p> That said, you need urgent psychiatric assistance.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Abrams Star Trek

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Seen it twice. It's not a good enough film to pay to see it again. As I said, just catch the film on the torrents in about 3 days.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Fuck!.. It's probably leaked on the torrents already.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 7, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    quantize, WHEN I FLAME SOMEONE I PUT MY HEART INTO IT....

    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    You also seem to be under the impression that I'm screaming at my computer when I write something like that. That's just not the case. What I'm doing is thinking "what type of evil, nasty shit can I throw at this person for a laugh". No human being could go through life as angry as my previous post suggests. What really dissapoints me is the lack of quality insults from the likes of you.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Seeing some names I know bashing this...is it Twitter Trek?

    by conspiracy

    Ya know...small random thoughts, for people with small attention spans, to whom "Gr8" is a word? Everything I'm beginning to see from around the net has me worried that this is indeed another JJ/Orci wank fest without the least bit of heft or heart.</p><p> Who needs character development, thoughtful story lines, eloquent scripting and sometimes deep ideas when you have bright lights, big noises and some skin.</p><p> I'll know for sure later...but this is sound like it is a GREAT movie for the ceiling mobile/Ritalin munching crowd.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    I liked STAR TREK a lot, in Imax not so much.

    by Orbots Commander

    Yeah, it wasn't like the older movies, but come on, this is 2009. You can't make a film today that moves like one from the 1980's. The disorienting aspects worked in some scenes. <br> <br> Now for the Imax critique: everyone I was with was underwhelmed by the Imax experience though. I had to keep craning my neck up and look side to side to see the whole movie. Half the time, when I wasn't staring at the actors' skin pores and Pine's bad skin, I could barely make out what was happening on screen, and I couldn't even tell you what the red monster on the ice planet looked like. To me it was just a big red blur. I guess it just has to be the 'right' movie for Imax. I'm going to have to see ST on a smaller screen to better enjoy it. <br> <br> Despite all this, I still liked quite a bit. All the actors were great. I mean, EVERYONE brought their acting A-game for a summer blockbuster, and Pine as Kirk had great chemistry and repartee with all the others.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:25 p.m. CST

    scriptgirl_nipples..Not yet..Monitoring TPB,BTMON and LIME here.

    by conspiracy

    As I said...I'm reviewing this shit before I pay to see it. If it is a 7 out of 10 I'll pay...otherwise I'll just hit "delete"

  • May 7, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    best movie of the year!!!!!

    by stefan2789

    behind watchmen, taken, observe and report, and Wolverine, thats right, i said it, star trek is a lot better movie, but i had more fun with Wolverine, watchmen needs no explanation in my opinion, liam neeson ricked the shit out of taken, and observe and report is only because i love dark comedies, list should change though over next month and a half, or i hope it does....

  • May 7, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    5th best i mean, fuck.....

    by stefan2789

  • May 7, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    ebert, fuck you

    by triple-

    Ebert doesn't know what the hell hes talking about. He must have taken like 20 bathroom breaks during the movie because his bitches about plotholes are completely unsubstantiated.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:33 p.m. CST

    fuck sake

    by stefan2789

    and i meant to say rocked the shit out of taken......

  • May 7, 2009, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Observe and Report. Wasn't that the Paul Blart remake?

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 7, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Where are the temporal authorities?

    by BoyNamedSue

    Somehow I suspect the temporal authorities from TNG era (and the DS9 episode) Trials and Tribbleations will step in and correct the timeline.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Daniels from Enterprise

    by BoyNamedSue

    He will step in and correct the timeline.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:38 p.m. CST

    yes, it was a remake...

    by stefan2789

    a fucked up remake...

  • May 7, 2009, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Let's see Abrams tackle the Borg in the sequel.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Enterprise wasn't affected in this universe & still exists. And they tackled the Borg found from First Contact. So let's have Kirk meeting the Borg, and have them destroy the Federation and assimilate Earth. <br> <br> Come on Abrams.. Total Fucking Destruction of Star Trek.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Khan of Borg!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 7, 2009, 11:48 p.m. CST

    IMAX Pros & Cons

    by Anime_Nut

    Let's start with the bad...<p> CONS<p> 1. Shaky cam<br> - While it never quite reaches the levels of nausea-inducing madness of Eagle Eye's car chase, it's still a bit much to take.<br> 2. Lens flares<br> - Blinding!<br> 3. Phaser sound effects<br> - AKA High-pitched deafness makers when pumped through an IMAX theater's sound system.<p> And now the good...<p> PROS<p> 1. Rachel Nichols' giant green tits<br> - Gaila's fun bags are spectacular in IMAX. Worth the higher admission price. I want her back for the sequels. Love the green bitch!<br> 2. Megan Fox in the Transformers 2 trailer<br> - Lucky fucking motorcycle.<br> 3. ...<br> - Actually, that's all I got.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    It rules... THE END.

    by LordEnigma

    IF you do not get that it does. You need to take it outside.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Saw Trek tonight

    by lsrdsc

    and all I can say is.. remember when movies used wide shots in action scenes.. I can.. good times.. Overall, I thought the movie was good, but not the greatest movie like the shills on this site make it out to be.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    The Borg as done by Abrams?!?

    by conspiracy

    Oh Fuck no. Picture the cast of Felicity dressed in black with a sound track by Panic at the Disco...do you really want that?</p><p>If this is indeed as good as Trek gets from here on out..please do not fuck with what has been. Come on JJ/Orci...at some point doesn't property rape get boring even for professionals like yourselves?

  • May 7, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    " It rules..."

    by conspiracy

    There ya go...another well thought out, eloquent review for the 21st century. are you sure it wasn't "Sick" or "gr8" or "cash"?</p><p>We are all fucking doomed.

  • May 7, 2009, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Loved it...and so will you!

    by Creative1

    It rocked! Wrath of Kahn is now the second best Star Trek movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Anime_nut

    by Orbots Commander

    As much as I enjoyed ST, it'll be a long time (if ever) before I go see another Imax movie. My neck is still sore from all the looking up.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Rush Rules

    by ironburl

    Geddy, Neil and Alex pown Canada and the U.S..

  • May 8, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Seeing that 4 min Terminator 4 trailer...

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Terminator Salvation will FUCK Star Trek, up it's impulse drive exhaust.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I was shocked at how "Star Trek" it is

    by GoDFaDDa42

    Highly recommended, and see it in IMAX if you can (saw it at the newly-converted theater at Lincoln Square Cinemas in Bellevue, WA). This is Nimoy's second best role after WoK.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Creative1...Oh for Fucks sake..

    by conspiracy

  • May 8, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    That was fucking awful!

    by br1947

    I don't know how anyone who considers themselves a fan of Star Trek can defend that abomination. I went in with very high hopes, but this was a bad parody of Galaxy Quest at best. I'm sure non-Trekies will love it and it'll make millions, but Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek died today. Voyager was better than that trash, that's something I never thought I'd say. The cast was good, the effects were good, all the technical aspects were great, but there was no story. Star Trek was all about the story, that's why a series with crappy cardboard sets and dogs with fake horns attached to their heads spawned a 40 year legacy. That legacy ended today.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    conspiracy - no, it never gets boring

    by Boborci

  • May 8, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Saw it for the second time tonight

    by arthurrex007

    Did anyone else notice in the flashback Nero apparently on the Klingon Prison planet doing hard labor? Also caught the bit about Admiral Archers Beagle nice touch. It was a very well made and acted film I look forward to more. If only Nimoy's dentures fit better.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    This is Nimoy's second best role after WoK.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA!<br> <br> Kirk's chair has more screen time!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Thank you JJ Abrams

    by joshuavance1701

    Bob Orci and all involved. I'm going to go there and say not only was this the best Star Trek film, this was one of the funnest experiences I've had at the theater, I'm talking A New Hope level fun. There was more heart and emotion in the first 5 minutes of this film than the majority of films released in the last 10 years, including the entire Matrix and Star Wars trilogies. I cannot say enough good about this film. It is alive and involves you. To the 4 or 5 jaded bitter cocksuckers that find fault with this film, you have no pulse, and I don't want to hear a God damn thing you have to say. About anything. THIS film, is why motion pictures are made. Im very pleased with this film and love it, it exceeds the fucking hype.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Bob! Bob!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Hayden Panettiere as Janice Rand.<br> <br> She'd look hot in a red mini dress.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Orbots Commander

    by Anime_Nut

    Don't blame the format for your decision to sit that close to the screen. I've seen enough IMAX DMR movies to know you don't want to sit eye-level with a giant black letterbox bar.<p> That said, there is NO WAY I'm subjecting myself to Michael Bay's camerawork on IMAX. I'll be seeing Transformers 2 on a regular movie screen, thank you very much.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Thank you JJ Abrams

    by arthurrex007

    I agree a hundred percent!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Harry post Terminator clip it's at NukeTheFridge.COM

    by fartman543211

  • May 8, 2009, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay on IMAX.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Fuck!.. he'd blow your fucking eardrums apart.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    will see it tonight

    by yabory

    local, local, i ask, where is the musics of yoko?

  • May 8, 2009, 12:20 a.m. CST

    EBERT SAID TRANFORMERS WOULD GET 4 STARS IF

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    IT WASNT FOR THE ROBOTS.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Deleted Scenes

    by Anime_Nut

    The second trailer (with young Kirk's car stunt at the beginning) has some footage of prisoner Nero, including that final shot where he says, "The wait is over."<p> I also have to wonder if Greg Grunberg was filmed as Kirk's stepfather. His voice on the phone call seems too subtle for J.J.'s obsession with working Grunberg into everything he does.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Best Prequel Ever...

    by DucksNRoses

    ...so says the Boston Globe: http://tinyurl.com/best-prequel-ever

  • May 8, 2009, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Did anyone pick up the Enterprise Reference

    by LeviDTinker

    When spock and kirk first meet up with scotty on vega IV. And it gets mentioned that scotty tested his transwarp theory on "ADMIRAL ARCHER'S PRIZE BEGAL". which has never been seen since

  • May 8, 2009, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Hey Bob

    by joshuavance1701

    I seriously hope you read this man. You guys have nothing to prove to anyone. Especially the joyless sacks of shit on this site. I'm 35 years old man, the scene with George Kirk and then the fade into the opening credits, I realised I had tears streaming down my face. You guys have done right and the Lords work. Don't let two detractors posting under 15 handles dissuade you. This film is incredible, and completely and utterly captures the spirit of not only Trek, but why films are made. I want you all to know my screening here in Louisville was sold out, and there was an ovation at the end. THIS film, is why I fell in love with Star Trek. The sheer unadulterated fun and heartbeat at the center of the story. You guys reminded and reinforced why I love these characters. Bravo Bob Orci. Tell J.J. this Trek fan from the 70's is in love with this film.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    I don't know why I still come here...

    by eXcommunicated

    Know what? I watch movies to enjoy them, especially genre movies - sci-fi in particular. Now, I haven't seen Star Trek yet, but it seems to me a good portion of you gentlemen went into this wanting to hate it at all costs. Now, I'll prolly see this Monday or Tuesday and make up my own mind, but some of you guys are the epitome of why people make fun of us geeks. Star Trek was NEVER, NEVER high art. Even Wrath of Khan, as great as it is, is a simple revenge flick with themes about growing old. Reciting Melville or Shakespeare does not a "deep" movie make. The only Star Trek movie thus far that was any deeper than a deep dish pizza box was The Motion Picture.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    I'll say this Bob...you know your audience.

    by conspiracy

    and as a businessman I salute you there. I just really wish you had an ounce of soul or self respect.</p><p>I'll know by this weekend if this is your "Godfather", but from what I've read I very much doubt it.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Don't know about other Imax theaters...

    by Orbots Commander

    ...but the one I saw it in was a bubble, planetarium type theater. In fact the auditorium is in a flight and space museum. Wherever you sat, unless it was at the very, very top, you were craning your neck up and swiveling it around. <br> It was a highly uncomfortable way to watch a movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Got it right = the friendships/characters are key

    by soloaj

    watched New Star Trek = much fun. They got it right - by remembering all the special effects and sci-fi stuff doesn't mean anything unless you have the core friendships. Enjoy a well done big goofy but exciting Summer movie. Not perfect but a nice roller coaster to take a spin on a few time during the summer.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    "Tears Running Down My Face?"

    by Tipsy McStagger

    Seriously, you are a tool. It's fucking Star Trek.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Diora

    by Ozy

  • May 8, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    by Ozy

  • May 8, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    It is indeed Tipsey

    by joshuavance1701

    and it is a beautiful film that captures the essence and spirit of everything that is Star Trek. Too bad you;re too jaded to enjoy it. Oh well.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Two Bitches.......

    by John Wagnon

    I loved the movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I agree, best since Khan. Better than Khan? I don't know. Maybe. Two off notes: "Red Matter" "Like a Lightning Storm in Space" We couldn't have done better than *that* guys?

  • May 8, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Delivered what I expected.

    by skydemon

    If your looking for an "epic" movie, this isn't it. It is, good fast paced fun. Maybe a bit too fast, I recommend reading the Star Trek - Countdown trade paperback book before seeing Star Trek as it will help flesh out some details about Nero. I'm not sure I'm liking the Uhura and Spock hook up?? And too much shaky cam is distracting. But those are minor quibbles. Overall, this was fun and Captain Pike was Great!!

  • May 8, 2009, 12:37 a.m. CST

    HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

    by jedimast3r

    THIS MOVIE BLEW MY MIND! Wow, I was a casual Trek fan, I watched TNG/DS9, never got into the Voyager and beyond era (that's when Trek started getting SUPER pretentious and horrible)...but i can totally get behind this reboot. Brilliantly, brilliantly executed movie. Any hater that says otherwise... <p>Well, you should really just go pick up a .357, put it to your temple, and pull the trigger, 'cause obviously you don't enjoy life. This movie was almost perfect.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:39 a.m. CST

    actually,

    by joshuavance1701

    In all truth and candor, I can honestly say having ived through all of the event pictures going back to the 70's and a New Hope and Jaws, this is probably one of my favorite movies I've ever seen. Not a small claim for a film fan that's pretty much seen it all. This movie has so much going for it, I find myself wanting to see it again and talk about it. THAT, is the quintessential essence of a good film.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:42 a.m. CST

    I Don't Know, Josh...

    by Tipsy McStagger

    I just don't cry at movies. I'm not saying that it makes me better than you, even though it obviously does. I just think, and here's just some healthy advice, that you save your tears for moments of pure joy or pure pain. Like the birth of your first child, or the death of your only child. Not a movie about spaceships and dudes with pointy ears.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:44 a.m. CST

    No Orion Slave Girl Diora Baird?

    by Ozy

    What the hell?! Was she left on the cutting room floor and if so who do I seek out for the beatdown.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    That's the thing Tipsy

    by joshuavance1701

    I don't cry at movies either. Ever. But when George Kirk steps up and assumes the mantle and sacrifices himself for his crew and demonstrates courage, honor, integrity, valor, and he and Wynona Kirk are discussing naming their son, with explosions and phaser fire all around them rocking the ship, I looked around and noticed tears bro, this was epic shit on a Star Wars level we were witnessing here. This was champions and heroes being made. This film fucking owns and rules.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Amanda and Vulcan

    by OptimusValdez

    Question for all of you. How do we reconcile the death of Spock’s mother Amanda in the context of “Journey to Babel” and ST IV? Also, the destruction of the Vulcan planet to “Amok TIme,” ST IV, etc? Did those episodes/movies just not happen?

  • May 8, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Tipsy, you're an idiot

    by jedimast3r

    I am a father and that scene with George Kirk brought tears to my eyes too. Because I know I'd give anything for my daughter and my wife, including my life, like Kirk's father did. Great movies elicit emotion and moments of emotional connectivity. Whether you can identify or simply just understand the depth of the connection is irrelevant. You sir, think you're awesome for denouncing a fellow geek for expressing how he connected to a great movie opening, but really, you're just a sad individual whose opinions in talkbacks are quite meaningless. You look like a moron with comments like that. <p>Maybe you should cry about your pitiful attempt to be cool? <p>This movie was brilliant. You haters really have nothing else to do, no agenda that matters but to hate on EVERY movie out there, especially ones with mass appeal. Noone cares, that's the sad thing.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Brain-dead Star Trek for today's mindless audiences

    by Nico Toscani

    This POS completely misses the point of Star Trek. It's not about big CGI action sequences. Trek is about the human condition. This movie was garbage.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Orci and Kurtzman

    by Nico Toscani

    really need to keep their lame-ass senses of humor out of their scripts.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    by darthkat76

    Well, I thought it was ok. This is definitely for the younger Trekkies. By the way, that thing that they shoved into Pike, was that one of those aliens from the end of TNG season 1? The ones that took over Starfleet HQ? Bad stuff: 1.)Uhura, I wanted to slap her. She was a whiney bitch. I use to be in the Navy and we would not put up with that kind of shit. 2.)I didn't like some of the dialogue. Especially when they were running around the ship they were not-so-loudly saying "move it". Dude, yell "make a hole!" like you mean it. 3.)Didn't really like Anton Yelchin as Chekov. But I loved the part when he was trying to say "Victor" and the computer didn't understand him. Good: 1.)I thought Chris Pine did a great job as Kirk. He had that cockyness and swagger down. 2.)Urban, Quinto, and Pegg were great as well. 3.)Red shirt got killed! It wouldn't be Trek without a red shirt dying. 4.)USS Truman being mentioned. Truman was the aircraft carrier I served on in the Navy. Hoorah! Odd things: Laughing quite a few times during a Trek movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:53 a.m. CST

    OptimusValdez

    by joshuavance1701

    They aren't reconciled man, it's a new timeline. George Kirk died, Amanda Grayson died, Vulcan is gone. Elder Spock is trapped in the new timeline. Nero by using a blackhole didn't just alter the timeline, he created a parallel alternate reality where some things play out as before, but others are brand new for new adventures. Jedimaster, Im feeling you man, I didnt expect it either, but talking about naming your child while the God damn ship blowing up around you, these people Bob Orci , Alex, and JJ, they did it man, they really did it.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    OptimusValdez

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    No, they don't exist anymore in the Abrams universe.<br> <br> The TOS, movies, spin-offs gone.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Oh and....

    by darthkat76

    Spock/Uhura thing felt like it came out of nowhere. I was like "Huh? Wha???"

  • May 8, 2009, 12:55 a.m. CST

    I cried in the prologue too!

    by SingingHatchet

    Dammit! And I'm not gay.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    great flick!

    by Jared

    Great movie...thoroughly entertaining from start to finish! Too late to write a proper review but probably the best Trek next to Kahn. The haters can bitch all they want while they feel up their Deanna Troi action figure in their parent's basement.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Fuck man, are you apart of Paramounts HUGE publicity campaign or are you just smoking come serious shit.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Nico...huh?

    by jedimast3r

    Human condition qualifying sequences: <p>George kirk giving his life to save hundreds. Self-sacrifice and love. <p>Spock denouncing his vulcan half before the council out of love for his mother. Loyalty and love. <p>Pike, Spock, and Bones helping Jim fulfill his destiny and realize the importance of the Federation. Friendship, loyalty, respect, reverence for other life and peace between life forms. <p>The list goes on. What fucking movie did you go to? Or what did you smoke beforehand...?

  • May 8, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    And another thing, lol...

    by darthkat76

    I have to give the movie props for distracting (in a good way). I've been dealing with some anxiety issues, possibly even social anxiety issues. I was very keyed up tonight and almost left the movie, but once the movie started picking up pace about 15 or so minutes into it I started feeling better (I get over it when I have something to focus on) and stuck around.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Great Crowd, Awesome Film

    by Stacy Without An E

    This is exactly how you restart a franchise: you grab the essence of what drew fans to the original in the first place. Everyone involved did a fantastic job of creating an entertaining, emotional thrill ride of a "Star Trek" film. How do I know this is going to be a blockbuster? All the positive comments I soaked in waiting to leave the theater. I haven't heard that type of positive feedback from a post-film experience in years. I'm pretty happy: "Star Trek" is in theaters RIGHT NOW and I want to enjoy it again and again.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Actually scriptgirl

    by joshuavance1701

    Neither. I don't work for Paramount, and I don't smoke dope. I live in Louisville Kentucky and just got home from seeing Trek. That's about it actually.

  • And douche heartily. Your little act is tired and unappreciated.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Exactly Stacy

    by joshuavance1701

    It's got a definite A New Hope positivism vibe that I vaguely recall from '77. Now, I don't pretend it will make the cash, or the impact A New Hope did, but there's the same thing going on. The post Anti-hero era has begun. These people in this film are heroes all, good guys. Society needs that.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Jedi

    by Tipsy McStagger

    "Maybe you should cry about your pitiful attempt to be cool?" Nah, don't think I'll be doing that. I'm entitled to my opinion, regardless of whether or not you agree or disagree with it. Either way, I'm completely unaffected by what a person on a talk back thinks of said opinion, and you should probably take that advice as well. Actually, scratch that. I was actually affected by Josh's retort that he never cries at movies, because it appears he is sincere. I don't agree with his assessment of the movie, but can appreciate the sincerity of his conviction. And I agree, my opinions don't mean shit to you, because you can't comprehend the other side whatsoever. If it doesn't fit in with whatever geek code you adhere to, it's shunned immediately. You can respond if you'd like, just know I won't be around to read it. This TB has grown tiresome. But feel free to rip me to shreds to boost your nerd cred. Cheers!

  • May 8, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Way too much goofy shit going on...

    by loogenhausen

    Swollen hands? Really? Ice monsters just for the sake of having CG ice monsters... Ok... Apparently dialogue for Romulans is supposed to be relegated to grunting and histrionics. When Bana yelled "Spock!" toward the end I thought I was going to shoot Coke out of my nose. Why did Uhura have to be such a whore? The one standout female member of the crew and her idea of consoling Spock is to fuck him? Uhhh... and what the fuck is Tyler Perry doing in here? Scotty was a Hoot and Sulu kicking ass with a sword was cool, but there was way too much silly stuff going on for me to take the rest of it seriously. Nokia and Beastie Boys 300 years in the future or however long it was? Really? At least Bruce Greenwood was there to lend some credibility. Hopefully the sequel will be a 4 to 5 star flick instead of this just plain ok 3 star movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Has anyone seen TWOK recently? It was not a mood piece.

    by reflecto

    It was a big summer blockbuster about two ships blowing the fuck out of each other, with a smart script and good characters. It was NOT about "the human condition," despite the subplot about Kirk's aging. It was not an exploration of a lot of Roddenberry philosophizing. That was TMP. TWOK was a submarine thriller. Voyage Home was a comedic quest. TUC was a political thriller. Let's not pretend these were all deep, probing examinations of the psyche. They had character elements, as this film does, but they were not "Solaris."

  • May 8, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    I love DENSE movies like this...

    by Rindain

    Where theres tons of cool shit packed into every frame and no time is wasted narratively. Awesome, super fun movie. I bet this'll have huge legs.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:08 a.m. CST

    I'm saving this talkback.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Some of these talkbacker comments (like joshuavance1701) are fucking great character development traits. <br> <br> They're real fucking bizarre.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:09 a.m. CST

    What struck me

    by joshuavance1701

    was the camraderie in the audience, the unscripted laughing and cheering at the relevant moments. This is a very engaging film that audiences for whatever reason participate in. There was no looking around to see how someone would react if you clap. It was spontaneous, loud cheering and laughter at the appropriate cues. I've seen alot of films in my life at theaters, name one big movie and I've seen it going back to STar Wars in '77. I can't recall the last time an audience burst out clapping when the film ended. They didn't for Dark Knight. They didn't for Indiana Jones. They didn't for Transformers. Matrix, Revenge of the Sith. You name it. This film is proactive.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:10 a.m. CST

    scriptgirl has gone dadaist

    by reflecto

    I can't wait to see you by the second weekend, you daft queef.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Scriptgirl

    by joshuavance1701

    What exactly is bizarre? The fact a movie brought me to tears or he fact I have the sack to admit it on a public forum? Trust me, no one was more surprised than me in this era of CGI fuckfests that a film would have a little humanity. No one was more surprised. I've seen the Matric and the Prequel Trilogy too you know, actually, I've seen every big genre film you can name going back to A New Hope in '77 in the theater. I can't recall a feel good film like this in QUITE awhile. Maybe years.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Soooooooooo fucking boring.

    by cinemixtape.com

    The movie bored the FUCK out of me. I am new to the franchise and this killed any interest I might have had. Paper-thin plot with too many characters, too much weightless action, too many inside "jokes" that weren't funny but people insisted on laughing at (seriously, where were the punchlines?) and cliche after cliche after cliche after cliche. There was literally nothing in this I hadn't seen before. Not terrible. Just not worth watching. It almost put me to sleep. But Trekkies will probably like it. I just want to know where all these glowing reviews are coming from. The critics must have seen a different film than me or were all paid off.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    You haters are fucking losers!

    by TheMcflyFarm

    And why are people hating on the music? I liked the music, stood out more than any other score in recent memory.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:18 a.m. CST

    VERY GOOD MOVIE!!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    It's action packed. You never get bored with it. But, there's really no buildup to a major event like they do in the old series. This one is wall to wall action. The Characters were pefect, though. Scotty was a TAD overdone, but I liked him

  • May 8, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    People who hate this movie are retarded

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    As someone said, it's cool to hate. Cool. Bully for you. While the rest of us are having a good time and enjoying this nice little treat, the rest of you can sit around and bitch and moan and complain. Fuck you, you stupid motherfuckers. You don't deserve to be happy.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Simon Pegg as Scotty = JAR-JAR BINKS

    by gruntybear

    Scotty was the absolute worst aspect of "Dawson's Trek" - by far. All of the attempts at humor were ham-fisted and lame. The Wonka sequence, the "foam-finger" sequence, the cheesebag Orion slave-girl as Uhura's roommate. We're talking "ST:V" levels of incompetence on the humor front. Overall, it was beyond competent filmmaking - but it never gelled as TREK. I had zero emotional connection to the characters, just nothing. Not until Leonard Nimoy intoned the familiar "Space, the final frontier" speech over the only fragment of a real score in the entire movie did it actually feel like MY TREK. More later.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Brought tears to my eyes, too!

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    Glad to see I wasn't the only one.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by loogenhausen

    I think it's hilarious that the majority of people giving a negative review are simply stating what they didn't like about it without feeling the need to personally attack anyone while the ones who LOVED it feel the need to insult those who don't share their opinion. I guess you're not allowed to think outside of the herd these days. "Rotten Tomatoes says it's good so it has to be good, right?! You're a fucking idiot for not sharing the exact same opinion as mine!!!" That says a lot about the kind of people they are...

  • May 8, 2009, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Who wrote this shit?

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    Who are the writers of this overrated horse shit? <P>Oh yeah that's right the same slacked jawed backwoods retards who wrote Transformers. Glad I didn't play for this shit.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:33 a.m. CST

    ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan..your heart...

    by quantize

    now you got the witty jokes rolling! ...fuck you and that paper weight your deluded pumpkin for a head imagines is aheart.. you humorless douchebag..you're so fucked in the head you wouldn't know when you're being owned.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Loved it!

    by Vexxarr

    I'm sorry, but other than the changing history thing, I saw very little difference between this movie and TOS. Much of the character story and background was canonical and that which wasn't didn't seem too far off the mark. My only concern was the art direction: 1) this is one butt-ugly Enterprise 2) please don't shoot a film for ninety mil plus and then use the Sun Valley power facility as three separate locations. Nothing looks worse than doubling concrete anchors and steel I-beams as the interior of a starship. It's like old school Dr. Who. The front door of the Delta Vega facility looks like the outside entrance to the public restroom at Chevron. But small nits to pick for a film I thoroughly enjoyed.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    and keep those fat sausage fingers off the caps key

    by quantize

    ..it only screams to everyone that you are are twat

  • May 8, 2009, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Yeah, and Transformers was a disaster...

    by hippie_killer

    Except it wasn't. Whenever I need a laugh, I think back to when all the tit sucks here at HATE IT COOL NEWS were convinced that Heath Ledger was going to ruin the Batman franchise.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:38 a.m. CST

    the hating on here is fuckin lazy

    by quantize

    and mentally challenged..ok the film wasnt perfect, anyone with a shred of honesty (that aint Harry - he's too busy spooging on himself) will admit that...but for the most part, it was exciting, great looking and emotionally involving. If you cant get that from it you are utterly dead inside. And i say this as someone who hates most of JJ's other work.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Everybody says it was good

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    <P>The plot, direction, acting, dialogue, pace, and cinematography made me cry.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:43 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Fair enough. I'm GLAD that you've been touched by the hand of God with this movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    why can't people understand and accept

    by frankntrooper

    that this is a alternate timeline.. and just enjoy the fucking movie! I thought the movie was great and i'm a long time Trek fan since i was a young boy. Trek fans should be happy that at least the studios are willing to bring back Trek from the Dead and breath some life.... long live trek and prosper bitches!! It's going to be a great ride from here!

  • May 8, 2009, 1:46 a.m. CST

    43 and Loved It

    by Scorpio

    The worst thing I can say is "I really wish there had been more", mostly in terms of depth. But I seriously haven't had this much fun watching a movie in a theater in decades. The future is bright!

  • May 8, 2009, 1:48 a.m. CST

    "Simon Pegg as Scotty = JAR-JAR BINKS"

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    That's It!... That's it exactly.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Nah Scriptgirl

    by joshuavance1701

    The hand of God had nothing to do with it, but I tell you what, when a young man is alone looking death in the face talking about "name him Jim" to his young wife who he was looking forward to raising his child with, and duty steps up and calls you to make a sacrifice so that others including your newborn child can go on, that's some pretty powerful potent shit going on there. As a matter of fact, I can't think of one film in recent memory, ANY movie, that had that sort of adult concept shit going on. Thats some powerful human condition shit- self sacrifice for love.

  • May 8, 2009, 1:56 a.m. CST

    STAR TREK IS BACK! I LOVED it.

    by DrPain

    WOW, the film was more than I could have hoped for. It was soooooo great to watch a Star Trek film with LIFE back in it. Thank you Mr. Abrams and everybody involved in this films creation. I already have my tickets for another viewing this weekend. What a great movie, a great GREAT movie. Live long and prosper!

  • May 8, 2009, 2 a.m. CST

    Actually,

    by joshuavance1701

    As a matter of fact, there is SO MANY themes going on in this film, adult themes, beneath the action, set-pieces, CGI, that if someone can with a straight face proclaim this film is shallow or lacking depth, in all truth, they are either 18, haven't lived yet, or a sociopath lacking human empathy. This film has the kind of heart other films WISH they had.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Wow Just saw it ---

    by WASPFAN

    Kirk on Hoth, Sulu with a light saber, the sound of Spocks ship is the same as a Star Wars ship, bug to tell truth WOK, Cloverfield shacky cam, winonna ryder?, Spock and Uhura, Teleport across space?, Red Matter?, Looked like Dow Corning in the engine room (what was that!), atmosphere skydiving, gets captain by sneaking on ship... Even with flaws, all in all ok - See I luv Trek and Abrams -- but this match had some issues... I personally felt the same after Star Wars ROTS -- I am still looking for that joy I had for Aliens, Empire Strikes Back, etc... This unfortunately was not it for me -- Good fun, not genre defining nor original... One thing that shocked me the most is that the 2nd showing Thursday night -- 30 people in theater -- in Chicago suburbs... 8pm show

  • May 8, 2009, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Teared up at Three Scenes!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Kirk being born. Shuttles fly around Enterprise. And the Spock/Spock scene at the end. There, i said it dammit!

  • May 8, 2009, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Ugh shut up

    by JimCurry

    All of you. Just please, end this talkback now. It's an abomination. Even the prequel talkbacks were more entertaining than this.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:13 a.m. CST

    They got Kirk-Spock right- it's a fucking winner

    by YackBacker

    The movie is unabashedly fun. I love what they've done with Kirk and Spock- two characters that have very similar losses in their new-timeline past. I love how Pine channeled Kirk, liberating the character from Shatner's iconic portrayal without betraying anything that's been established. I love how Quinto's Spock is new yet familiar too. And little moments, like Kirk eating an apple during the Kobayashi Maru (like he was when he told Saavik of the test in KHAN) made me feel at home. <p> Look, the villain was borderline worthless, but it didn't phase me. My biggest concern was whether Abrams could capture "lightning in a bottle" like Roddenberry managed with the original show. Abrams succeeded at the most diffcult tasks. STAR TREK is exactly the movie we've been waiting to see.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    JimCurry

    by quantize

    why would you even bother saying something so moronic? chances of anyone shutting up because some crack in the wall like you says so? ZERO

  • May 8, 2009, 2:15 a.m. CST

    94% on Rotten Tomatoes, after 141 reviews.

    by ganymede3010

    Fuck Terminator and Christian lights out Bale! Resistance is futile bitches:)

  • May 8, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I cried too- well, mostly because I was sitting on my balls

    by YackBacker

    H/T to Dave Attell for that line- I've been using it regularly since 1999.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Gany, have you seen it yet?

    by YackBacker

    Dude, it's a lot of fun.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Gabba-UK

    by drwynninblack

    You aren't the only one who was thinking about banging the hell out of Winona. All I could think to myself when she was on-screen was, "Damn...that square top of hers has to be big to contain all that tit flesh!" 'Cause she has some nice and BIG cans... Oh, and I liked the "reboot". 'Nuff said.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:31 a.m. CST

    by LAZLOW

  • May 8, 2009, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I got weepy for the prologue too

    by Anime_Nut

    That musical sequence of the U.S.S. Kelvin's final moments is a TOTAL Abrams/Giacchino cliche... but it fucking works. As soon as the main title appeared, I knew this was gonna be gooooood.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Orbots Commander

    by Anime_Nut

    It sounds like you saw the movie in an Omnimax Theater. We got one of those at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago.<p> Yeah, those screens are NOT meant for IMAX DMR movies. Whoever decided to show Star Trek in that theater should be fired. Omnimax screens should ONLY be used for IMAX films that feature a lot of fisheye lens footage, since the curve of the screen perfectly negates the lens distortion. Go ride Soarin' Over California to get an idea what I'm talking about.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I find it intersting...

    by Fortunesfool

    that all of the people who didn't like it present their opinion in an intelligent and clear way. The people who loved it rely on FUCK U HATERS,SUCK GAY COCK, THIS MOVIE IS THE ROXXOR! This pretty much sums up the level of intelligence this film has been aimed at.

  • May 8, 2009, 2:42 a.m. CST

    I want more green bitch!

    by Anime_Nut

    I'll be waiting impatiently for a hi-res photo of Rachel Nichols as Gaila to appear online. As soon as that happens, my laptop has a new wallpaper.<p> Until then, I'll have to content myself with this crappy scan. Still stroke-worthy, though.<p> http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5996/startrek2.jpg

  • May 8, 2009, 2:48 a.m. CST

    JimCurry

    by Youngdog

    Your wish has been granted and the banhammer has fallen<P>Now wish me a huge penis and a million quid before the magic wears off

  • May 8, 2009, 2:57 a.m. CST

    I think honestly

    by joshuavance1701

    Any alleged "Trek" fan that didn't enjoy THE HELL out of this film, grew entirely too accustomed to Berman/Braga era self important, technobabble ridden yawn inducing Trek and misses the entire point of the Star Trek concept, which was ALWAYS about campy fun and action with a moral underpinning. This film is seriously epic and so thoroughly engrossed in the Trek concept it's stunning. Yet magnificently at the same time, plays to a broader audience just wanting to go along for a ride. Damn I'm impressed by this movie. I can honestly see why it has 94 percent rating on Rottentomatoes and has been universally praised not only by this site, but by any film critic in general. THIS movie, was what we all wanted and hoped the Prequel Trilogy to be. HEART plus action set pieces. I can't remember a film that immediately wanted me to not only see it again, and talk about it, but anxiously anticipate a sequel. God damn this film was hot.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker, LOL!

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Yeah, Been there. Damn IMAX theater seats are smaller than your average two year old.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Teared up when...

    by Scorpio

    ...those scenes referenced above, AND when the Enteprise arose out of the clouds of Titan. Homyghod, what a moment!

  • May 8, 2009, 3:11 a.m. CST

    I find it 'intersting' too

    by TruPhan

    Still taking refuge in irony, I see?

  • May 8, 2009, 3:18 a.m. CST

    After the prologue i turned to my friend and asked..

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

  • May 8, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    .."is it...is it over?"

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Loved it, by the way.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Thanks JimCurry!

    by Youngdog

    What about the million quid though?

  • May 8, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Just chipping in about "toonol"

    by locust

    How's it going there, li'l fella? Like your Trek?

  • May 8, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Just chipping in about "toonol"

    by locust

    How's it going there, li'l fella? Like your Trek?

  • May 8, 2009, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Hey BobOrci - you rock!

    by Bass Bastardson

    Seriously, I'm not a fan of Transformers, but I loved The Island, MI3 and now Star Trek. I can barely wade through the assholes here and it isn't even my work they are trying to tear apart. Congrats on being far more patient than I.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Horrid

    by DishyDish

    ...is what happens when you get company writers and a TV director to play with originality and lots of cash....Star Trek I feel so dirty after watching that mess.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:38 a.m. CST

    George Kirk

    by joshuavance1701

    Died the valiant, noble death the asshats Berman and Braga should have given James Kirk- Alone on a starship saving countless lives living up to duty and honor. That's a heroes death fuckers. My GOD I'm relieved Berman and Braga didn't give us another half-ass motel channel movie of Trek. This is how Star Trek has been BEGGING to be done since 1969.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon's Serenity Puts The New Star Trek To Shame!!!

    by Media Messiah

    The new Star Trek film is an overrated borefest. Yes, this isn't your father's Star Trek, because your father's Star Trek was/is better than this film, by light years! Anyone telling you that this is a good or great film, is simply not telling you the truth. Although I mostly loved JJ Abram's Alias and Mission Impossible 3...I now fully believe Abram's when he claims that he was not a fan of the original Star Trek, as it shows in his pedestrian work here. We learned nothing of consequence about the background of the characters in this film, which was twice as long as it needed to be, BTW...and characters such as Spock's father, Chekov, Christoper Pike and Sulu, were jarringly miscast...as they did not look or feel like the original actors? <BR><BR>While there were some rich looking shots in this movie, much of the film looked cheap, like an episode of any of the new Trek television shows over that last 2 decades?<BR><BR>Strangely, the new film felt like thrown together composites of scenes from other Trek films? In terms of quality, execution, or lack thereof, the new Trek falls between Star Trek: First Contact, Star Trek: Insurrection, and Star Trek: Nemesis. I don't mind the Star Trek: First Contact feel...as t is largely a so-so to good film, but not great, by any means. However, while Contact was somewhat entertaining, Star Trek: Insurrection and Star Trek: Nemesis were lousy films, and much of the new Trek film takes the shape of of the lesser Next Generation movies lke those that I mentioned.<BR><BR>The audience I saw the film with was largely silent and bored...and I can honestly say that Wolverine was a better film...and that was a major disappointment, too, and even amateurish at times. <BR><BR>In conclusion, I invite anyone to see the new Star Trek film and then watch Joss Whedon's Serenity. If you are being honest, you will have to admit, Joss Whedon out did JJ Abram's at every turn as a director, as well, he bested the writers of the new Trek, by leaps and bounds. Joss' direction carried great spirit and excitement, and his script was deft...and equally as spirited. Yes, Serenity is far superior to that of the neo Trek in all arenas. And yes, Trek has a superior budget, but dramatically...and emotionally...Joss pulled a near tour-de-force with Serenity, one which leaves JJ Abrams in the dust, in respect to the new Trek, like a master compared to a student.<BR><BR>The reviews of the major critics, so far, have delivered the new Trek rich standing ovations, but these critics' raves are undeserved...and must be bought? Roger Ebert reportedly hates the new Trek film, and I have to say that if that is indeed true, Roger is right. This is a movie that you keep waiting to start, but it never goes into ignition? <BR><BR>Lastly, the very worst scenes in the film feature Mr. Nimoy, to my complete and utter shock??? Now I know why Matt Damon took a pass on this film. Clearly he read the script.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Whatever...Todays the day the haters lost.

    by TallScott

    Cripes you guys sound like Sean Hannity after Obama won. Your tears nourish me ..really. Here are the facts. The movie will make tons of cash. There will be three minimum sequels and * Gasp!* people will like it..alot. But hey it gets you guys off going into threads and being a bag of douche. Sucks to be you. I just got back from the 12 showing and really enjoyed it. They pretty much nailed Trek. Some quibbles but it was a very good movie and filled my trek wishes and needs. Could have have more Kirk being captain but the next movie should have that.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Joss who's what?

    by joshuavance1701

    Is that supposed to be a film? "Serenity?" You mean the feeling I felt after seeing Trek? Huh. Fascinating.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:43 a.m. CST

    what ever happened to GOOD BAD GUYS?

    by CENOBITE

    Great film! I only wish the bad guy Nero had a little more 'meat' to him. *sigh* Good thing I read the comic book, gives the guy a little more back story and recommend it to everyone to read. Still, awesome film. Will probably see it a couple more times. This film will have 'legs' in the box office I have a feeling!

  • May 8, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701 AMEN BROTHER!

    by YackBacker

    My buddy and I were just talking about how James Kirk's death should have been like George's in this movie. Dude, open up a can of Coke, you deserve a refreshment after that post!

  • May 8, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    This Talk Back Is Full Of Paramount Plants

    by Media Messiah

    The new Star Trek movie at best is a so-so film...and you guys who are claiming that it is a great film, are lying. The wealth of you...have to be studio plants!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 3:48 a.m. CST

    29th of fucking May

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Paramount your sucks Klingon cock in hell

  • May 8, 2009, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by CENOBITE

    From here I could walk down to Paramount on Melrose. "Dangit, where's my check?!" I can guarantee no reply and the cops arriving quickly.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:52 a.m. CST

    After This Weekend, Word Of Mouth Will Kill This Film

    by Media Messiah

    Star Trek will win the weekend, yes, but when bad word of mouth gets around by Monday on this turkey of a movie, this film's box office will drop like a rock.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Your mother , not your

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • May 8, 2009, 3:53 a.m. CST

    I like all of the subtle Star Wars references

    by joshuavance1701

    Yackbacker, and clear blueprint of the ole' Heroes Journey by Campbell. The call to adventure, the lost young man seeking purpose, the older wiser teacher figure. This film had some pretty big balls, and yes talkbackers, if I were to be doomed to suck on the cock of a movie for the rest of eternity this would be it. I can't envision any other film with the sack this film had in the first FIVE FUCKING MINUTES. I'm a child of a single parent so I immediately related to that fucking shit! When Pike was breaking it down to Kirk about get your fucking ass in gear and start living life and stop living in shadows I heard what he was saying. Bob you guys are alot more clever than a vocal few on this site have given you credit for. You guys CLEARLY did your homework. Bravo Bob, tell J.J. and Alex my only request is that you all maintain the same level of integrity and truth to the characters for the sequel that you did in this film. Out-fucking-standing.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    well I'm no plant

    by joshuavance1701

    I live in Louisville Kentucky and work for the government. I simply know beauty and dman good films when I see them. - and I saw one tonight and I can't stop raving about it. If that makes me a plant oh well, I'm a plant, I just wish to hell I'd get paid like a plant does.

  • May 8, 2009, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Wow, Media... "but when bad word of mouth gets around"

    by CENOBITE

    lay off the wacky tobaccy. I don't think I have heard so many girlfriends / significant others who were dragged to a movie by their nerdy dates be so positive. In fact many were in shock, the glowing way they were talking about how awesome the film was afterwards... and this in a theater filled with jaded Hollywood viewers.

  • May 8, 2009, 4 a.m. CST

    Mediah Messiah

    by Youngdog

    "While there were some rich looking shots in this movie, much of the film looked cheap, like an episode of any of the new Trek television shows over that last 2 decades?"<P>Really? One of the things (and there were many) I was most impressed with was the look of the new film. It was a huge leap forward from the Next Gen films that, most of the time, looked no better than the TV show. <P>Of course I did see it on IMAX. In London. I may have mentioned I got tickets. It got a round of applause as well at the end. And London audiences are a tough nut to crack thanks to the mixture of social awkwardness and snobbery.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:08 a.m. CST

    It's not a movie for anyone with critical faculties

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's a big dumb summer movie, audiences will lap it up, just like they lapped up the Pirates of the Caribbean shit. This generation got the Trek film it deserved. They're about to get the Terminator film they deserve too.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Critical faculties?

    by joshuavance1701

    that's an interesting qualifier from someone using a handle that borrows from the worst translation of a science fiction novel to film in recorded history. Oh sure I like the soundtrack too and you can't beat a cameo by Max Von Sydow, but really- asking for intellect and critical faculties to appreciate a film from someone that enjoys Dune is, sort of like the proverbial pot calling the kettle black dont ya think.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Better than Star Wars!!!

    by Sicuv Uyall

    There... I said it!! From someone who loved Wrath of Khan... this kicked it's ASS!! Better than all the shitty Star Wars prequels and everything else from Lucas. And better than all of the Star Treks that came before and after Khan. FX were spectacular but characters were important. Take that, George. Still want my money back for Crystal Skull so I can see this movie again.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:17 a.m. CST

    sg_nipples, tipsy, all the haters

    by jedimast3r

    Go on hating, I'm not begrudging you that. Drop your "It's cool to be a hater on a good ass movie" schtick commments and keep refreshing your browsers, waiting for the knee-jerks. I don't give a shit. <p>The problem is you aren't sharing your "opinions" of the movie, you're in here like asstards ripping on OTHER people's good experiences. Now that just begs of never-been-laid-or -lived-life. Stick to your opinions of the movie, that's fine, but fuck off with your kiddie shit rippin' on people's positive great times. <p>Went with a group of 6 tonight and we had a blast. This movie is fun, heartfelt, polished, and exhilarating on IMAX. Never thought I'd feel this way about a Trek film. Ovation at the end, like Youngdog's experience. We all loved it. Can't say enough good things...but getting tired and need to catch up on sleep, leaving for Disneyworld on Saturday! <p>Can't wait for Transformers and Potter! What a summer :)

  • May 8, 2009, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Ebert also loved Battle For Terra...

    by Sicuv Uyall

    So, anyone see that movie yet?

  • May 8, 2009, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Star Wars still rules.....fuck you phantom menace haters

    by SpiceMonkey27

    it's 10 years old this year.....read ebert Trek review,he's proably on right,if i want space opera i'll watch the wars.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Plants!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Are you really that desperate for money??? This movie is largely vacuous and devoid of soul. You can lie for Paramount all you want to, but you are not going to stop the truth from coming out about the new Star Trek, it is an exercise in the banal and is completely forgettable.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Oh, joshuavance

    by jedimast3r

    Eloquent post, man. Simply eloquent! Good review on how the movie gets the essence of the best of Trek!

  • May 8, 2009, 4:24 a.m. CST

    This is what I'm talking about

    by apestone81

    This is what a new Star Trek was supposed to be. In fact, more than it was supposed to be. My buddy and I left the theater, and he just goes, "Better than we deserved." I agree. It was better than we deserved, and better than we could have expected. After the last couple of films and "Enterprise" show, we never should have expected something this good. Abrams and the people at Bad Robot really outdid themselves, and I will heap praise on them for this movie for a long time.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:25 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by Sicuv Uyall

    You lost me when you said "at least Phantom Menace had the lightsabre scene at the end.. which was good cinema?" REALLY? George, is that YOU?? George, go back to finishing Red Tails and stay off this site, you hater?

  • May 8, 2009, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah - "Joss Whedon's Serenity..."

    by Kobaal

    You must be joking. Firefly was kind of fun, but an artistic and commercial failure. Star Trek will be neither of those.<p> Btw, I'm not a plant.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:29 a.m. CST

    well sure I like Star Wars too

    by joshuavance1701

    I guess it depends what iteration you refer to, but for my money Trek easily bests the Prequels, and is definitely on par in fun with A New Hope, I'll sit through it again before going further with that comparison. I've noticed the basic trend in here I believe- when a film someone has a personal vested emotional interest in, underperforms, or is critically or commercially snubbed, there is the tendency to stew and go into the next big releases talkback and try to steal the thunder from those that found enjoyment. i.e. Wolverine and Watchmen SUCKED donkey ass three different ways, therefore, we can't very well have anyone enjoy the new kid Star Trek without bemoaning ridiculous and half ass criticisms such as someones skin on film now can we? I think I get it now, it's really delinquent yet cute in a very small insignificant sort of way. I think detractors should simply go enlist in starfleet and stop hanging out in the local bars of mediocrity. Chuckles.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:30 a.m. CST

    I refuse to see this cause....

    by AINT_IT_STAR_TREK_NEWS

    Paramount wouldnt screen this for me and i am a huge trek fanboy. I heard it sucked though from a few reliable sources and therefore refuse to pay to see it. I just cant rationalize any reason to pay to see a movie anymore that Harry likes... Oh wait did i say that Harry likes? I meant that Harry changes the entire website to accommodate to. I fell for it with Watchmen and learned the hard way of how bad a movie that gets ridiculously overhyped can be..

  • May 8, 2009, 4:30 a.m. CST

    A Question for any fellow trekkies......

    by southafricanguy

    I m a huge trekkie, grew up with it, blah blah...etc. I have nt seen it yet, going this weekend. Can you guys tell me how it compares to the older films? I love WOK, and TUD, and FC. how does it compare to those specifically? How do the various actors do in their roles? How would you rate Nero against Khan, the Borg, or the Klingons? I want real fan views (both positive and negative) as i dont entirely trust the reviews on this site

  • May 8, 2009, 4:31 a.m. CST

    A Question for any fellow trekkies......

    by southafricanguy

    I m a huge trekkie, grew up with it, blah blah...etc. I have nt seen it yet, going this weekend. Can you guys tell me how it compares to the older films? I love WOK, and TUD, and FC. how does it compare to those specifically? How do the various actors do in their roles? How would you rate Nero against Khan, the Borg, or the Klingons? I want real fan views (both positive and negative) as i dont entirely trust the reviews on this site

  • May 8, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    By Roger Ebert

    by AINT_IT_STAR_TREK_NEWS

    1 THUMB DOWN!!!! by Roger Ebert “Star Trek” as a concept has voyaged far beyond science fiction and into the safe waters of space opera, but that doesn’t amaze me. The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before. The 2009 “Star Trek” film goes back eagerly to where “Star Trek” began, using time travel to explain a cast of mostly the same characters, only at a younger point in their lives, sailing the Starship Enterprise. As a story idea, this is sort of brilliant and saves on invention, because young Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty and the rest channel their later selves. The child is father to the man, or the Vulcan, and all that. Don’t get me wrong. This is fun. And when Leonard Nimoy himself returns as the aged Spock, encountering another Spock (Zachary Quinto) as a young man, I was kind of delighted, although as is customary in many sci-fi films, nobody is as astonished as they should be. Holy moly! Time travel exists, and this may be me! It’s more like a little ambiguous dialogue is exchanged, and they’re off to battle the evil Romulan Capt. Nero (Eric Bana). Time travel as we all know, is impossible in the sense it happens here, but many things are possible in this film. Anyone with the slightest notion of what a black hole is, or how it behaves, will find the black holes in “Star Trek” hilarious. The logic is also a little puzzling when Scotty can beam people into another ship in outer space, but they have to physically parachute to land on a platform in the air from which the Romulans are drilling a hole to the Earth’s core. After they land there, they fight with two Romulan guards, using ... fists and swords? The platform is suspended from Arthur C. Clark’s “space elevator,” but instead of fullerenes, the cable is made of metallic chunks the size of refrigerators. But stop me before I get started. I mention these details only to demonstrate that the movie raises its yo-yo finger to the science, while embracing the fiction. Apart from details from the youths of the characters and the Spock reunion, it consists mostly of encounters between the Enterprise and the incomparably larger and much better armed Romulan spaceship from the future. It’s encouraging to learn that not even explosions and fires can quickly damage a starship. Also that lifeboats can save the crew, despite the vast distance from home base. That would be because of warp speed, which for present purposes consists of looking through an unnecessary window at bright lights zapping past. This method of transportation prevents any sense of wonder at the immensity of outer space and is a convenience not only for the starship but also for the screenwriters, who can push a button and zap to the next scene. The concept of using warp speed to escape the clutches of a black hole seems like a recycling of the ancient dilemma of the rock and the hard place. But there are affecting character moments. Young Spock is deliberately taunted in hopes he will, as a Vulcan, betray emotion. Because Zachary Quinto plays him as a bit of a self-righteous prig, it’s satisfying to see him lose it. Does poor young Spock realize he faces a lifetime of people trying to get a rise out of him? Nimoy, as the elderly Spock, must have benefitted, because he is the most human character in the film. Chris Pine, as James Tiberius Kirk, appears first as a hot-rodding rebel who has found a Corvette in the 23rd century and drives it into the Grand Canyon. A few years after he’s put on suspension by the Academy and smuggled on board the Enterprise by Bones McCoy (Karl Urban), he becomes the ship’s captain. There are times when the command deck looks like Bring Your Child to School Day, with the kid sitting in daddy’s chair. Uhura (Zoe Saldana) seems to have traveled through time to the pre-feminist 1960s, where she found her miniskirt and go-go boots. She seems wise and gentle and unsuited to her costume. Scotty (Simon Pegg) seems to have begun life as a character in a Scots sitcom. Eric Bana’s Nero destroys whole planets on the basis of faulty intelligence, but the character is played straight and is effective. The special effects are slam-bam. Spatial relationships between spaceships are unclear because the Romulan ship and the Enterprise have such widely unmatched scales. Battles consist primarily of jump-suited crew members running down corridors in advance of smoke, sparks and flames. Lots of verbal commands seem implausibly slow. Consider, at light warp speeds, how imprecise it would be to say “At my command ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...” Between “2” and “1,” you could jump a million galaxies. I thought about these things during “Star Trek” because I could not help myself. I understand the Star Trek science has never been intended as plausible. I understand this is not science fiction but an Ark movie using a starship. I understand that the character types are as familiar as your favorite slippers. But the franchise has become much of a muchness. The new movie essentially intends to reboot the franchise with younger characters and carry on as before. The movie deals with narrative housekeeping. Perhaps the next one will engage these characters in a more challenging and devious story, one more about testing their personalities than re-establishing them. In the meantime, you want space opera, you got it.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    By Roger Ebert

    by AINT_IT_STAR_TREK_NEWS

    1 THUMB DOWN!!!! by Roger Ebert “Star Trek” as a concept has voyaged far beyond science fiction and into the safe waters of space opera, but that doesn’t amaze me. The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before. The 2009 “Star Trek” film goes back eagerly to where “Star Trek” began, using time travel to explain a cast of mostly the same characters, only at a younger point in their lives, sailing the Starship Enterprise. As a story idea, this is sort of brilliant and saves on invention, because young Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Scotty and the rest channel their later selves. The child is father to the man, or the Vulcan, and all that. Don’t get me wrong. This is fun. And when Leonard Nimoy himself returns as the aged Spock, encountering another Spock (Zachary Quinto) as a young man, I was kind of delighted, although as is customary in many sci-fi films, nobody is as astonished as they should be. Holy moly! Time travel exists, and this may be me! It’s more like a little ambiguous dialogue is exchanged, and they’re off to battle the evil Romulan Capt. Nero (Eric Bana). Time travel as we all know, is impossible in the sense it happens here, but many things are possible in this film. Anyone with the slightest notion of what a black hole is, or how it behaves, will find the black holes in “Star Trek” hilarious. The logic is also a little puzzling when Scotty can beam people into another ship in outer space, but they have to physically parachute to land on a platform in the air from which the Romulans are drilling a hole to the Earth’s core. After they land there, they fight with two Romulan guards, using ... fists and swords? The platform is suspended from Arthur C. Clark’s “space elevator,” but instead of fullerenes, the cable is made of metallic chunks the size of refrigerators. But stop me before I get started. I mention these details only to demonstrate that the movie raises its yo-yo finger to the science, while embracing the fiction. Apart from details from the youths of the characters and the Spock reunion, it consists mostly of encounters between the Enterprise and the incomparably larger and much better armed Romulan spaceship from the future. It’s encouraging to learn that not even explosions and fires can quickly damage a starship. Also that lifeboats can save the crew, despite the vast distance from home base. That would be because of warp speed, which for present purposes consists of looking through an unnecessary window at bright lights zapping past. This method of transportation prevents any sense of wonder at the immensity of outer space and is a convenience not only for the starship but also for the screenwriters, who can push a button and zap to the next scene. The concept of using warp speed to escape the clutches of a black hole seems like a recycling of the ancient dilemma of the rock and the hard place. But there are affecting character moments. Young Spock is deliberately taunted in hopes he will, as a Vulcan, betray emotion. Because Zachary Quinto plays him as a bit of a self-righteous prig, it’s satisfying to see him lose it. Does poor young Spock realize he faces a lifetime of people trying to get a rise out of him? Nimoy, as the elderly Spock, must have benefitted, because he is the most human character in the film. Chris Pine, as James Tiberius Kirk, appears first as a hot-rodding rebel who has found a Corvette in the 23rd century and drives it into the Grand Canyon. A few years after he’s put on suspension by the Academy and smuggled on board the Enterprise by Bones McCoy (Karl Urban), he becomes the ship’s captain. There are times when the command deck looks like Bring Your Child to School Day, with the kid sitting in daddy’s chair. Uhura (Zoe Saldana) seems to have traveled through time to the pre-feminist 1960s, where she found her miniskirt and go-go boots. She seems wise and gentle and unsuited to her costume. Scotty (Simon Pegg) seems to have begun life as a character in a Scots sitcom. Eric Bana’s Nero destroys whole planets on the basis of faulty intelligence, but the character is played straight and is effective. The special effects are slam-bam. Spatial relationships between spaceships are unclear because the Romulan ship and the Enterprise have such widely unmatched scales. Battles consist primarily of jump-suited crew members running down corridors in advance of smoke, sparks and flames. Lots of verbal commands seem implausibly slow. Consider, at light warp speeds, how imprecise it would be to say “At my command ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...” Between “2” and “1,” you could jump a million galaxies. I thought about these things during “Star Trek” because I could not help myself. I understand the Star Trek science has never been intended as plausible. I understand this is not science fiction but an Ark movie using a starship. I understand that the character types are as familiar as your favorite slippers. But the franchise has become much of a muchness. The new movie essentially intends to reboot the franchise with younger characters and carry on as before. The movie deals with narrative housekeeping. Perhaps the next one will engage these characters in a more challenging and devious story, one more about testing their personalities than re-establishing them. In the meantime, you want space opera, you got it.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Gladly South African Guy

    by joshuavance1701

    35 years old, life long Trek fan, grew up on it in the 70's in syndication. Couldn't stomach Voyager or Enterprise. Seen every film released the day it opened going back to '79 and the Motion Picture. In a nutshell, it's my favorite movie and perfectly captures the essence and spirit of classic red blooded The Original series Star Trek, and exceeds it in certain areas, yet maintains the character and integrity of the premise Roddenberry envisioned. It's basically a prelude to the 5 year mission.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:37 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams' Star Trek Puts Serenity To Shame!!!

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    In conclusion, I invite anyone to see Serenity and then watch JJ Abrams' Star Trek. If you are being honest, you will have to admit, JJ out did Whedon at every turn as a director, as well, he bested the writers of Serenity, by leaps and bounds. JJ's direction carried great spirit and excitement, and his script was deft...and equally as spirited. Yes, Trek is far superior to that of Serenity in all arenas.....JJ pulled a near tour-de-force with Trek, one which leaves Whedon in the dust, in respect to the Serenity, like a master compared to a student.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Star Wars/Star Trek

    by apestone81

    Funny thing is my buddy and I were talking after it was over and mentioned the prequels, and we both agreed that the treatment of the prequels should have been handled in the fashion of this movie. The prequels, which I loved, just didn't capture the original zeal of the Trilogy. Whereas this movie captures what I loved about Khan, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country. It probably also helped that the cast, who are stellar by the way, aren't having to interact with a green screen so the end product comes off soul-less.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:40 a.m. CST

    It frakkin' rocks...HARD!

    by Zardoz

    It's definitely not your father's Trek, and I say that as a longtime fan: It's reborn and brilliant! It looks fucking awesome! Kudos to ILM for the most realistic, bad-ass SFX work in a Trek film yet. Great acting by everyone, a dramatic plot that's a little "deus ex machina", but very tight and moving. And it's also very funny and exciting. We've had some excellent reboots lately: Batman Bond and now Trek. It's a whole new galaxy and I can't wait to see what's ahead. Go see it in IMAX! (My theater, with a lot of Trekkies, was the 7pm show Thursday and they brought the house down! Seriously applauding and going batshit crazy for it throughout the film, but especially at the end) Also, trailers for Night at the Museum 2 (ugh!) Crapformers 2 (barf! but the audience came in their pants for all the Bayhem) and Harry Potter 6. (WOW!) It's going to be an interesting Summer...

  • May 8, 2009, 4:49 a.m. CST

    BillyPilgrimisunstuck: The New Trek Is Horrible!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Again, lie all you want, but this is not a good Trek movie, and it isn't a good movie at all. Serenity is a masterpiece compared to it. Serenity's only problems were in its lack of budget, and its less than stellar title. However, I could easily out write the new Star Trek film blindfolded. Even the new Galactica bests and outclasses the new Trek, so much so, that the fight isn't even fair one.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Didn't you read?

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    I just wrote why you're wrong.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:53 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You should watch Battlefield Earth sometime if you think Dune is the worst adaptation. <p> But at least you can discern an artist at work behind Dune. All I can discern from this new Star Trek is a TV director at work. Not one memorable cinemascope image or line of dialogue. <p> I'm glad the majority of you like it, i'm not bashing anyone for liking it. Just putting my points across.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Ebert

    by kwisatzhaderach

    'Scotty (Simon Pegg) seems to have begun life as a character in a Scots sitcom' - haha, gotta agree, Pegg wanders in from another movie entirely.

  • May 8, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    How long till we see borg with this cast

    by bauerpowerhour24

    i want to see JJ bring in the Borg i would Shite my pants then overall i feel a 8 out of 10 i enjoyed it alot Freckles Bauer would have love this movie

  • May 8, 2009, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Youngdog

    "This movie is largely vacuous and devoid of soul"<P>I appreciate you shouldn't have to write an essay to have an opinion but without some qualification that is just a sentence. <P>It certainly doesn't describe the film I saw last night. Kirk Snr's sacrifice, new Spock's coming to terms with his humanity, Bones' fondness of Jim. JJ sold me the lot. How? He got the best artists/professionals he could and let them do their jobs.<P>You call me a plant? YOU are the one who posts stats and talks demographics in TBs. It has crossed my mind that you do infact work for a studio. If so then tell your corporate paymasters this: keep the beancounters OUT of the creative process. Unless wolverine is your idea of a good film

  • May 8, 2009, 4:59 a.m. CST

    And its Vacuous..

    by Youngdog

    ..because its in space<P>Duh!

  • May 8, 2009, 5:07 a.m. CST

    South african guy

    by Fortunesfool

    Its a Michael Bay Star Trek film. Its been dumbed down to reach the biggest, most moronic, popcorn munching audience possible. Its instantly forgettable, MTV friendly, shaky-cam, over-edited eye candy.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Mr Lucas, the commander of the Enterprise is signalling...

    by DiamondJoe

    ...he wishes to discuss terms of your surrender. You fat CG obsessed Indy rapng fuck.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:17 a.m. CST

    In George's defense...

    by unkempt_sock

    Was there even a SINGLE shot in this movie that didn't have CGI? I think not.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Fortunesfool

    by genrefanboy

    I hear you dude. It shows the age group this movie is aiming for dig it totally even though they lack the skills to say why!! Because the media force feeds them a positive vibe they have no rationale to see through this hype. </p> Nimoys best part. Ha ha what a joke he had a better part in his ST3 coffin on Genesis!!! </p> Emotion & crying. Ha ha easily fooled. </p> Round of applause. Ha ha when it finished because it DID finish more like. </p> This film has heart. Ha ha where is it cause I missed that part. </p> My screening ended with stunned silence at how bad it was. Even the whiny little teenage girls behind me said it sucked and they laughed at all the dumb humour. </p> Can anyone explain to me how Spock Prime lets his planet & mother be destroyed yet he has the formula for going back in time which he used in ST4. Surely if he used it to save the earth & whales he's damn well going to use it to save Vulcan (unless he wants payback on all the whiny little bitches who taunted him as a boy!!). Nimoy could not champion this as he needed the paycheck so had to take the money and run. Notice how this is the first time I have even mentioned canon as TBH its not that big a deal if the movie is good but if its trash then you start to remember these things especially when the original actor is happy to take the paycheck and dump on his own work (maybe Nimoy needed some better dentures as he sure had a dodgy set here!!). </p> Can anyone explain to me what they consider so impressive about the VFX and give me an example of 1 shot or sequence in particular which was amazing. </p> Simon Pegg, What a talentless zero charisma actor. So bland and mediocre its amazing he has any career at all. This movie dropped several notches when he appeared with some alien midget sidekick (who got the most laughs in the movie). </p> This movie fails on so many levels. It has no dramatic structure as the moments which should be built up to are jump cut edited to the next part of the movie so contain no emotional resonance. </p> Couple of months ago I heard that people on the design team @ ILM were laughing at how bad this movie was. Now I know why! </p> The opening is probably the best part of the entire movie but even that is mishandled as the VFX work is too close to the ships. </p> It's very disturbing to know that so many people like this movie as it means future movies will just be more of the same but much worse. </p> Hopefully bad word of mouth kills this by monday or tuesday.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah but at least it was entertaining..

    by DiamondJoe

    and the CG helped the story, rather than detracted from it. I thought the effects were superb - elegant and exciting, rather than the garish head-fucks of the SW prequels.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by genrefanboy

    Dude trust me you will hate this movie so much. Do yourself a huge favour and avoid, its your worse nightmare scenario and make The Phantom Menace seem like a great movie. </p> If you love the other ST movies this will alienate you in so many ways. Nimoy has so little screentime and is so unspock like he could be anyone. </p> It's so bad you will wish Berman could return with a sequel to Nemesis!!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 5:34 a.m. CST

    BillyPilgrimisunstuck: The New Star Trek's Bad Writing!!!

    by Media Messiah

    My time was already wasted with this film, why waste my time reading your prior post? Yep, I didn't bother. BTW, time travel was possible in the original Star Trek, as well in Spock's latter years, so how very ridiculous is it that they just didn't go back in time, past Nero's assualt on Vulcan, and simply destroy Nero and his crew before they even launched their attack? And why didn't they go forward in time to kill Nero before he went back in time, or better yet, why didn't they go forward in time to save Romulas where Spock failed the first time? Again...if you know your Trek canon, you know that past Trek movies and TV series episodes have shown the Enterprise and crew travel through time at will, so the crew of the Enterprise, and or, Spock failing to travel through time to right the wrongs of Nero, made zero sense. This was just bad...and equally lazy writing. A true writer of fantasy and science fiction, one who knows and loves the genre, would have seen these flaws and fixed them well ahead of time...but these writers are two well connected hacks, who don't understand the genre...to begin with, to be able to innovate in it; no, they can only parrot and mimic other works, as parrots do, not improve them, or write as good as the best of them, and as a result, there is a xerox effect, where they copy a copy of another copy...and it degrades from the original each time...and that is the problem with this film--it is a insincere effort, and an insincere saccharine clone of far superior efforts like Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan, Star Trek: Voyage Home, Star Trek: First Contact, or even former Trek producer Harve Bennett's original Star Trek: Accademy script which this new film ripped-off and not very well.<BR><BR>Star Gate: Continuum really nailed a similar concept involving time travel, speaking of better productions, with a truly stunning and satisfying twist ending. The new Star Trek failed on all levels, and that is just a fact, and a very sad one at that.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Genrefanboy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    That's a great point, time travel is possible so why don't they go back to when Nero's ship appears and destroy it before it destroys the Kelvin? So little thought has been put into this thing.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah loved Rob Zombie's Halloween

    by reflecto

    Avoid him like swine flu.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:37 a.m. CST

    genrefanboy, you are too dumb to live

    by reflecto

    Nimoy has been plugging the fuck out of this movie for over a year. He hasn't exactly been booking it out the fire door.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Nothing better than this, folks...

    by SeXX ED

    ... trust!

  • May 8, 2009, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Good post. You just destroyed the entire premise of the movie. This film makes no sense whatsoever.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:44 a.m. CST

    SeXX ED

    by kwisatzhaderach

    There's so many things better than this.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:50 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach...

    by SeXX ED

    ... I'm speaking in terms of the summer movie season and great films in general. If you feel that you've seen a better AMERICAN film this summer when all's said and done; I would say that you might still require the assistance of the Wierding Module. Good day, kind sir.

  • May 8, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Harve Bennett's Star Fleet Academy: AICN Article By Merrick

    by Media Messiah

    The following is an AICN.com article on Harve Bennett's script for Star Fleet Academy. He should sue Paramount and JJ Abrams for the theft of his script. Here's AICN.com's take on the Harve Bennett script. See below: <BR><BR> Merrick Explores STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS!! <BR><BR> You are now receiving a communiqué from Merrick, sent during his eternal quest for the perfect tag line…<BR><BR> Before we go any further, you should be warned that…unless you’re a pretty serious STAR TREK fan…or you’re seriously into the “what could have beens” of big Hollywood projects that were once on the drawing board but never got made…this article is almost certainly not for you. CLICKING HERE will return you to AICN’s main page.<BR><BR> Also, this article is really, really long. "My fingers are numb with pain" kind of long. You can still be returned to AICN's main page by CLICKING HERE.<BR><BR> With that out of the way, here’s a look at a frequently referenced STAR TREK theatrical project whose very premise inspires ridicule and hatred whenever it’s mentioned. By now, this production is almost certainly defunct. Note I said “ALMOST” certainly. As recently as a few years ago, it was still being bandied about. This script has been repeatedly proposed and, for a variety of logistical or political reasons, repeatedly rejected. But this is Hollywood, and stranger rebirths have happened, so never say never. With this vague possibility in mind… <BR><BR> KNOW YE THAT THERE BE EXTREME SPOILERS AHEAD!!! TURN BACK NOW, OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE!!! <BR><BR> OK. Here we go… <BR><BR> WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, MERRICK?<BR><BR> Firstly, this is not the recently commissioned (and rejected) screenplay by BAND OF BROTHERS’ Erik Jendersen. I’ve been trying to get my hands on that one for some time, and all roads lead to nowhere. The script we’re talking about here has been around for quite a while. Its concept is broadly referred to by fans as “STARFLEET ACADEMY”, but this moniker is not accurate. The script is called STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS. Back in the late 1980s, THE ACADEMY YEARS was written by David Loughery (STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER) for then TREK overlord Harve Bennett. <BR><BR> Bennett produced TREK movies II, III, IV, and V – and is credited (as a writer) on TREKs III and IV (although he did some uncredited work on THE WRATH OF KAHN as well, if memory serves). <BR><BR> STAR TREK V is a film whose ambitions were undercut by Paramount’s increasing lack for support for the “Classic” TREK franchise (with greater attention being afforded the then white-hot NEXT GENERATION.) Budget cuts and conceptual dampening burdened the movie with a decidedly clunky quality. Ironically, TREK V also represents what many fans believe to be the truest expression of the Classic Era characters. It was very much a mixed bag; TREK at both its weakest and strongest. Recognizing a need for “reinvention”, Bennett approached Paramount with a proposal: Prequelize the original STAR TREK series via THE ACADEMY YEARS concept. Dramatize how the “Classic” characters, and the universe they occupy, became what we saw in THE ORIGINAL SERIES. This concept was green lighted, but scuttled during a regime change at Paramount. Bennett stepped away. A different sequel, STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (the final film to feature the entire original cast), was mastered by other producers. The theatrical franchise was subsequently inherited by the controversial Rick Berman. <BR><BR> ISN’T THIS THE BEAUTIFUL TEENS, “TOP GUN”’ STAR TREK EVERYONE IS SO AFRAID OF? Yes, it is. But THE ACADEMY YEARS isn’t about posing hunks, teens cavorting, or rock music blaring. It has certain TOP GUN elements, but no more so than any of the numerous military training/coming of age movies that have been made. It most closely resembles TOP GUN in structure: Brash young loose cannon (Kirk) goes to the academy, meets a girl, gets into trouble, whips up a few shenanigans, is pressed into unexpected action, and proves his value to the system via a trial by fire. Despite such conceits, this is VERY much a “true” STAR TREK script – throwing the hard core series philosophy into settings we’ve never seen fully realized before. Indeed, THE ACADEMY YEARS is about STAR TREK becoming STAR TREK, and heroes becoming the heroes they don’t consider themselves to be. <BR><BR> WHAT’S IT ABOUT? STAR TREK: THE ACADEMY YEARS begins as TOS (movie) era McCoy addresses a Starfleet commencement. After his speech, several cadets corner the good doctor, who is standing alone, gazing into a reflecting pool. They nervously ask him about Kirk and Spock. <BR><BR> SECOND CADET: What were they like?<BR><BR> FIRST CADET: Were they friends?<BR><BR> McCOY: FRIENDS? I never met two less likely candidates for friendship in my entire life. That surprises you, doesn’t it? Well, it’s the gospel truth. They were as different as night and day. As Vulcan…and Iowa. WOSH! We flashback to IOWA, which feels a lot like Smallville, where Sam Kirk is mortified by his brother Jim’s reckless shenanigans in a futuristic crop duster.<BR><BR> JIM: You worry too much!<BR><BR> SAM: That’s because you don’t worry at all!<BR><BR> Young Jim Kirk is the reckless son of a reckless father. Jim has little interested in an Earthbound existence, and yearns to attend Starfleet Academy. This doesn’t seem likely though – he’s scheduled to attend Agricultural school soon. But he gets a message from Starfleet…he’s been accepted! One of 100 recruits. He leaves for the Academy without the blessings of his mother or brother, who are afraid Jim will get swept up in a brewing galactic conflict (more on this below), or meet with the same fate as his father (more on this below, too.) Kirk leaves Iowa, walking alone into a bigger world. <BR><BR>ON VULCAN: Young Spock is being confronted by an associate named Shardik, who is trying to convince him to decline his acceptance to Starfleet Academy on Earth. No Vulcan has ever gone through Starfleet. He’ll be alone. But he’s already alone…<BR><BR> SHARDIK: Your decision in this matter is not logical.<BR><BR> SPOCK: On the contrary. It is logic that tells me I do not belong here. <BR><BR>Kirk arrives in San Francisco (home of Starfleet Academy), and immediately gets lost. A country boy with a ruck sack on his shoulder, the big city folk dismiss him out of hand. He can’t even get directions to the Academy. He finally manages to get there, via a speeder bike ride from a fiery chick named CASSANDRA HIGHTOWER, who becomes a love interest later in the film. Kirk makes it to the Academy, instantly gets into a dust-up with a dude named KALIBAR.<BR><BR> KALIBAR: We wouldn’t want to get into a fight on our first day.<BR><BR> KIRK: What would we have to look forward to?<BR><BR> This is a prophetic exchange; Kirk and Kalibar will eventually clash. Bigtime.<BR><BR> Kirk’s room mate in the academy is an older inductee named Leonard McCoy. Kirk hates the name Leonard, sticks him with the name “Bones”. Also hanging around the Academy: An Engineering Officer who has been consigned to teaching, over his rather loud objections. The guy’s name is Montgomery Scott. “Scotty”. He’s been part of a Starfleet propulsion program for years – aimed at utilizing Dilithium crystals in Warp engines. Seems contemporary Warp speed takes hours to attain. Dilithium makes Warp speed instantaneous. Scotty knew Kirk’s father. <BR><BR> SCOTTY: Are you any relation to George Kirk?<BR><BR> JIM: George Kirk was my father.<BR><BR> SCOTTY: I dinna know George had a family.<BR><BR> JIM: Neither did George.<BR><BR> Turns out, George Kirk was also working on the Dilithium project with Scotty – he piloted a test ship, called Bonaventure, which disappeared without a trace during its first Dilithium-fueled Warp jump. Scotty shows Kirk his stash of Dilithuim, which is sitting around unused, and useless. All of this will be important in the script’s finale.<BR><BR> Academy “settling in” antics ensue. Pushy drill instructors, Kirk gets busted and cleans toilets, etc. But there’s a problem at the Academy – the same problem which threatens to catapult the galaxy into civil war. Seems the “enlightenment” exalted by characters in THE ORIGINAL SERIES hasn’t come about just yet (evidence of this exists in several TOS episodes, including “Balance of Terror”, “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”, and “Bread and Circuses”) Racism, bigotry, and slavery are still powerful forces across the galaxy in this time. “Red bloods”, “Green bloods”, etc. are delineations that are not only still noted, but acted upon by many. They are differences that are still feared. Some believe it’s up to the Federation to impose more sophisticated values (opposing slavery, etc.) on worlds that haven’t “caught up”. Others believe that it’s no one’s place to push morality on anyone, and that upsetting such social constructs will cause shockwaves of socio-economic repercussions that will destabilize the galaxy. Treaties are in the works…the Federation is involved…ambassadors are in town for meetings…military intervention is in the air. What will happen is anyone’s guess. As such, Spock arrives at the Academy with no particular amount of acceptance. He came to find a place he belongs. Instead, he is no more at home here than he was back on Vulcan. Spock even finds himself abducted and brutally mutilated by HOODED CADETS. He is rescued by Kirk, who never really thought about issues like equality, bigotry, and freedom – but is now being forced to confront them head on. He’s being forced to grow. They all are. Turns out, Kalibar (the guy who Kirk bumped into when he got to Starfleet) is a prince from an alien world whose economy is driven by slavery. He’s one of the guys who kidnapped and messed up Spock. As punishment, he’s expelled from the Academy, leaving in a flourish. At roughly the same time, Kalibar learns that his father, the King, was killed in an uprising back home. Everything in Kalibar’s universe is falling apart. Or, perhaps it’s going just the way he wants it to…<BR><BR> ELSEWHERE: KODARIS, an alien ambassador from Kalibar’s world, signs an anti-slavery proclamation! No one at Starfleet is sure how to react. But Kalibar is pissed. <BR><BR> STARFLEET. Kirk and Cassandra make love, silhouetted against the stars in a zero-gravity space simulator. A weightless dance. We learn that Cassandra is also a cadet, gunning for captaincy like Kirk.<BR><BR> “Cuts” are coming up soon. Grade and character based evaluations are being made, only 20 of the initial 100 inductees will continue to be midshipmen. And Kirk’s in trouble: His Quantum Mechanics suck and he’s close to washing out. <BR><BR> Quantum Mechanics being one of his better subjects, Spock mind melds with Kirk -- teaching him all he needs to know to pass the test. Kirk scores 100. So does Spock. They make the cut! Two of the 20. Cassandra get through as well. Starfleet realizes Kirk and Spock’s essays are word-for-word identical. They confess to cheating and are confined to quarters, while Cassandra and the other new midshipmen are sent to their first training assignment.<BR><BR> EARTH ORBIT: Cassandra, the midshipmen, and McCoy rendezvous with their ship: “An old ship of the line, a war horse, battered and patched. Its design may not be familiar, but its name is. U.S.S. Enterprise.”<BR><BR> They break orbit, heading off to their training mission. But it’s not a training mission at all. In order to attract as little attention as possible, Ambassador Kodaris…the guy who signed the treaty abolishing slavery on Kalibar’s world…has been spirited aboard the currently low-profile Enterprise, commanded by CAPTAIN GEOFFREY THORPE. Their “training” is to take him home. The crew is apprehensive as hell. So many things could go wrong. And everything does. KALIBAR ATTACKS, immediately disabling Enterprise. Cutting her off from communications with Earth. Kalibar wants to kill the Ambassador – he blames him for screwing up the way of life back home. If Enterprise gives up the Ambassador, Kalibar will let the ship go free. Thorpe tells him no way.<BR><BR> EARTH: Kirk is sick of being confined to quarters and is packing to leave Starfleet altogether. He’s going to join the “merchant fleet”. As he leaves, Spock is standing in the doorway. <BR><BR> SPOCK: This merchant fleet – does it accept Vulcans? They’re on the way to hand in their resignations when they hear that Enterprise has dropped communications and may be under attack. She’s a sitting duck; no way to talk to her and no way to physically reach her in time. But Kirk has an idea… Kirk, Scotty, and Spock steal a prototype Warp ship from the Starfleet Museum. The Bonaventure II, the sequel ship to the ship Kirk’s dad disappeared in. They load it up with Scotty’s Dilithium and fly it out of the museum. They’re off to warn Enterprise she may be attacked. But to do it in time, they’ll have to make the first successful Dilithium- Warp jump. They all doubt the sanity of this undertaking , but they do it anyway. <BR><BR> They arrive at Enterprise! But it’s too late. Thorpe is dead, the ship is smashed, and Cassandra is in command. Things aren’t going well. Enterprise, and her crew, are dying. <BR><BR> Kirk, Scotty, and Spock jump into action. If Scotty can get those damn Dilithium crystals into Enterprise’s engines…they can change the ship into a fast, maneuverable vessel Kalibar won’t, and couldn’t, expect. They might have a fighting chance. A mammoth battle ensues, as Enterprise and Kalibar clash in a high-speed fight amongst the rings of a giant world. Dodging some ice chunks, smashing into others. Kirk chances into command of Enterprise…with Scotty in engineering, Spock feeding him information, and Bones tending to the wounded in sickbay (Nurse Chapel at his side). A new era has begun! But not for long…<BR><BR> The script goes through a great deal of effort to bring the “classic” characters together, but it doesn’t take the easy way out. As the flashback concludes, the “classic” guys go their separate ways…to other ships and other adventures…fated to meet again. “Jim and Spock walk way in opposite directions, headed for a common destiny.” BACK WITH TOS (MOVIE) ERA McCoy. His communicator beeps. It’s Scotty, asking if he’s ready to beam up now. Seems the captain’s eager to move out. McCoy excuses himself, takes one last look around. <BR><BR> McCOY: Beam me up, Scotty.<BR><BR> SPACE: The TOS (movie) era Enterprise warps away to distant stars. <BR><BR> SO, HOW IS IT?<BR><BR> The script is surprisingly solid. Frequently, it’s extremely involving. Unlike many recent permutations of STAR TREK, it has a tremendously vibrant heart and soul. It’s even genuinely moving on a few occasions. The characters, and “vibe”, of THE ORIGINAL SERIES are unequivocally nailed here. That energy is just…there. It’s in the way the characters speak, in the cadence of their dialogue, and the flow of the story. There’s a great deal of passion here, and a great deal of sweetness. We’ve previously been told a bit about what these characters were like in their early years, and the script nicely upholds these perceptions. But there’s also a surprising amount of pathos. THE ACADEMY YEARS isn’t about learning the ins & outs of space adventuring as much as it’s a journey of self-discovery. It’s about growing beyond the boxes we put ourselves in, or the boxes that other people put us in. It also pile drives one of the most sublime human truths: Sometimes, the best friends we can have are the people we’d least hope to, or expect to, be our friends.<BR><BR> To paraphrase THE ABYSS, THE ACADEMY YEARS is about looking “with better eyes than that.” <BR><BR> WHAT IMPRESSES YOU MOST ABOUT THE SCRIPT?<BR><BR> Besides hitting the mark by creating the feel of THE ORIGINAL SERIES (and movies), what strikes me the most is the amount of time Bennett and Loughery spend exploring what makes these icons tick.<BR><BR> We see that ‘brash and confident’ Kirk also carries with him a certain amount of self doubt, instilled by a family who was afraid he’d meet the unfortunate fate of his father. Also, early on, he turns away from the people he loved (thus the people who love him) in order to follow his dreams. His cockiness, to some extent, seems to be his forcing past his own internal discomforts and apprehensions. <BR><BR>The super-logical Spock is equally flawed: Throughout THE ORIGINAL SERIES, we saw his struggle to fit in. This is poignantly illustrated in THE ACADEMY YEARS, most notably through shots of Spock sitting alone in the Starfleet cafeteria, and by a scene in which he struggles to dictate…and re-dictate…a message to his mother. After starting, stopping, over-stating his popularity, and downright lying, he deletes all versions of the message and simply sends: “I am fine” (an allusion to his “Tell her I feel fine” line in STAR TREK IV). <BR><BR> IF THE GUY WHO WROTE STAR TREK V WROTE THIS, WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS DOES IT HAVE?<BR><BR> In general, THE ACADEMY YEARS is a much more fully realized script than THE FINAL FRONTIER. TREK V feels only partially realized…a smattering of fantastic moments that never expand to an entirety of greatness. By comparison, THE ACADEMY YEARS is more “hit” than “miss”. Most of the “misses” rise from unfortunate doses of broad humor; the same kind of buffoonery that felt so jarring in STAR TREK V. Most of this isn’t worth nitpicking herein, but it hurts. Sometimes it hurts badly. Fortunately, there are also a few moments of genuine comedic inspiration, as in cutaway to a slightly tipsy Spock trying to pick up a girl in a bar. ”It’s called Pon Far” he tells her. The same girl is later seen doing the Pon Far finger caress with Spock, but she’s wearing a latex glove on the hand she’s using. Awesome. Loughery’s treatment of personality and characters is staggering, often stirring. If any subsequent drafts of this script are ever generated, all of his character material should be maintained…but someone with a little less broadness should re-approach the sillier slapstick asides. ‘Twould make a solid script truly GREAT. <BR><BR> SOME OF THIS PLOTLINE SOUNDS FAMILIAR! WHAT GIVES?<BR><BR> Many elements of THE ACADEMY YEARS seem to have been pillaged by later TREK iterations. I have no direct knowledge of this, but it’s hard to escape certain parallels between the content of this script and critical elements that popped up in later installments. Kirk in the shadow of his father is, more or less, the same dynamic played out in ENTERPRISE (Captain Archer assuming the legacy of his daddy). Kalibar’s suicidal preoccupation with preventing change from coming to his world equals General Chang’s Machiavellian resistance in STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. The fate of the future hinging on a successful Warp jump is, of course, a notion utilized in FIRST CONTACT.<BR><BR> Sure, these could all be cases of legitimate parallel development. But…<BR><BR> If THE ACADEMY YEARS concept is ever re-approached, some changes will have to be made so that this project doesn’t appear to be boosting other TREK endeavors (which, in actuality, may have been influenced by it!). Sigh. <BR><BR> WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THIS PROJECT? As recently as a few years ago, Bennett approached Paramount about THE ACADEMY YEARS. Sherri Lancing (head of Paramount) was ready to do the project, but was asked not to by Paramount Television…who figured ENTERPRISE should be the only TREK prequel in the game. You can read more about the history of this project (both ancient and recent) HERE. The decision not to move forward with THE ACADEMY YEARS is terribly unfortunate. For my money, the obstacles facing the currently in-stasis franchise have nothing to do with the presence of “too much STAR TREK”, as some believe. TREK’s diminishing audience happened because fans and laymen alike were sick of lifeless, bland, and safe storytelling that took no chances, and never came to life. Series and movies became visually flat, kinetically dull, and aurally muted (compare the way music is used in THE WRATH OF KAHN to any “sonic wallpaper” score in VOYAGER or ENTERPRISE). The camera became increasingly locked down...colors became more and more drab.<BR><BR> Above all, TREK derailed when it ceased to be about “all of us”, and became insular in its scope and ambition. It looked in on itself for inspiration, instead of reaching out to our world. And, most importantly, reaching out to our spirits.<BR><BR> People are not perfect, yet characters stopped making mistakes. Life is vibrant, yet shows were edited like news casts. Adventure is waiting, and limitless, yet how long has it been since STAR TREK took us “Where no one has gone before”? Some people say there are no more good TREK stories to tell. I submit that it hasn’t even touched the tip of the iceberg. It’s just a matter of approaching the concept from the right angle, and telling stories that challenge viewers. Take a look at BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, or the re-launched DOCTOR WHO. Both of them took chances, both dared to soar beyond the expected in narrative and style. Both are commercially and critically successful. Despite its occasionally uneven (but adjustable) nature, THE ACADEMY YEARS drives itself hard, and reaches for maximum impact – narrative in the script states it was gunning for a PG-13 rating. It takes chances, but stays true to where it came from. Perhaps more than any other TREK producer so far, Bennett seems to understand what makes STAR TREK work, and…above all…he understands why it works. In THE ACADEMY YEARS, he and Loughery deftly walk that nearly impossible tightrope between familiar-yet-fresh. And that’s the exact tightrope someone needs to walk for this critically damaged franchise to live again. Merrick's transmission ends NOW!

  • May 8, 2009, 6 a.m. CST

    I Never Saw Rob Zombie's Halloween

    by Media Messiah

    And I am sure that it is a bad movie...or at least, something I don't want to see.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    SeXX ED

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You may be right about the summer movie season, the other releases look dreadful too. But Star Trek does not take a place at the great films table, i'm sorry, it just really doesn't.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Kwisatzhaderach: Thank You

    by Media Messiah

    I really could out-write the two buffoons that wrote this film (or should I say, ripped it off from Harve Bennett's superior script, and signed their names to it)in my sleep, but then again, most of us could.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:07 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by genrefanboy

    Dude you asked about actors. I have a similar TOS history to you and loved the original movies (all of them for different reasons). I even liked ST7 (some of it) & thought ST8 was pretty good. </p> Well most of the actors here are the bland emotionless drones you would expect from this director. They could be anyone. </p> Pike, McCoy & Uhura are the only ones who give believeable performances but even then Urban is just doing a reasonable DeForest Kelley impersonation and the hyper editing cuts away so quickly you will be wondering about it whilst trying to take in the next over edited action sequence. George Kirk in the opening few mins also gives a strong emotional performance (much better than his son in this movie!!). I wish the George Kirk actor could have been Jim Kirk instead as he looked great and could act (unlike Chis Pine!!). </p> Bruce Greenwood as Pike is the best by far but he is not given much screentime (much less than Shatner in ST7) so blink and he is gone because Pike is not the focus here. Pike could even belong in the TOS movies or series he is right on the money. </p> I enjoyed Armageddon, The Phantom Menace (some of it), Attack Of The Clones (most of it), Revenge Of The Sith (some of it). I even liked a lot of Transformers!! </p> This trash is way below those movies and if Lucas directed it then the haters would be universal as it suffers from the same problems as the SW prequels but with even worse execution and trashy story telling which is straight to DVD level at best!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by genrefanboy

    I know it took me a little time to think about that time travel aspect as my brain cells were recovering from the trash they had tried to evaluate. </p> I was not even looking for flaws it just came to me as anyone with even a basic knowledge of any previous TOS trek would see this flaw very quickly.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:11 a.m. CST

    YACKBACKER LOVED IT

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's my green flag. Fired up!! Ready to go.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:15 a.m. CST

    "This movie is largely vacuous and devoid of soul"

    by quantize

    anyone who can say that after those opening scenes is a soulless empty cunt where a black hole used to be. On Monday some fuckwits making predictions here will be eating a giant shit sandwich. Pucker up fuckheads.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah....exercise for your scroll wheel

    by quantize

    nobody reads vomits of shit like that..you're talking to yourself.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Look Kids

    by joshuavance1701

    Brannon Braga, Rick Berman, AND George Lucas are gracing the forums. Hi guys, I just want you to know how much I enjoyed Star Trek and deplored your shit. George, at least you get some credit keeping Trek alive through the 70's with the original Star Wars phenomenon. Rick and Brannon, no dice bitches.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

    ALI LARTER IS OBSESSED!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    with sniffing my shirts.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:17 a.m. CST

    reflecto

    by genrefanboy

    You sir must be very naive if you think that an out of touch (last acted 17 years ago) and once great director/actor of TOS plugging something for a paycheck is a reason to love trash like this. </p> Did you really think Nimoy is going to slate it when he got well paid for maybe 2 days work. </p> If you think his role of maybe 3 scenes and 15 lines of dialog in about 3-3.5 mins screentime is an endorsement then you have been brainwashed exactly the way you were supposed to be. </p> Nimoy must be ashamed inside as he has surprisingly dumped on much of his previous Star Trek image to get a large paycheck by supporting this rubbish. I would gladly stake my life on his private thoughts being the polar opposite of his public PR opinion!!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:18 a.m. CST

    btw low score from Ebert these days means good things

    by quantize

    we all know it

  • May 8, 2009, 6:20 a.m. CST

    THIS IS NOT YOUR FATHER'S STAR TREK!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    It is what it is!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:21 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm curious as to why those who like the film have to resort to name-calling and cheap jibes instead of presenting their opinion seriously. None of the people saying the film is bad are attacking people who liked it. Yet anybody who didn't like the film is either a) a moron or b) a hater. Speaks volumes.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    NIMOY SEEMED PROUD OF THIS MOVIE, FROM ALL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS

    by BringingSexyBack

    I know where you're coming from, but perhaps you could use a different angle.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Nobody want to address the plot hole?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Why didn;t Spock Prime get the Enterprise crew to time travel back to stop Nero? Because then Kurtzman and Orci would have no franchise to play with thats why.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:24 a.m. CST

    "Forget everything!"

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • May 8, 2009, 6:25 a.m. CST

    "The first 'Star Trek' for everyone!"

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • May 8, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Nimoy Is Proud Of His Check, Not This Movie

    by Media Messiah

    I'd pretend to be proud to, if they paid me millions of dollars to sell to mess of a movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Quantize: Not This Time, Ebert Got It Right

    by Media Messiah

    Sadly, he's right. This is not a good film.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Honestly kwisa?

    by joshuavance1701

    Because possibly this movie has epic win written all over it as based on critical, and crowd response, and it's very tragic watching 3 or 4 people literally stewing and going out of their way to try to demonstrate why they feel it's a bad movie? Isn't that sort of sad and lethargic? Oh I loved the film, one can necessarily understand from me post after post after post, but Jesus Wept someone that despised it need really only chime in once right? Who are we kidding here are you guys THAT threatened this film may actually rightfully take its place among some of the best science fiction movies EVER created? Can so many critics and people be so horribly wrong and you 4 people have it so right? Who in the hell is truly being an elitist snob here? What the hell WAS the last genre film that recieved 94 percent approval from CRITICS? Holy shit such a conflux of events only happens once every 1000 years for critics to actually LIKE science fiction. Go back and re-red some of youy alls misguided criticisms of this movie, they are pathetically, no, desperately bad. It's actually fucking hilarious.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    LOOK, WE ALL MISS THE SHAKESPEAREAN QUOTES

    by BringingSexyBack

    But I have to give credit to Roberto, who not only got Nimoy's support, but Nicholas Fucking Meyer. The man who gave you your fondest memories in Star Trek lore. The man who redefined the Trek look n' feel and brought in new audiences. <P> This is a new origin story, and Star Trek is a universe with unlimited possibilities. The sequel will be much better (Roberto, throw in some Shakespeare) and we are now given another franchise to be excited about every two years. <P> Unlike with previous Trek incarnations, you actually have the writer's ear here. Take advantage. Give him ideas and suggestions. Imagine if you threw something good out and it ended up in bigscreen Trek mythology. Join the adventure!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Hey Kwits

    by joshuavance1701

    Did you even see the film or what man? Spock Prime didn't get the Enteprise crew to travel back in time to stop NERO earlier because....maybe you were pissing in the bathroom, SEVEN other starships were decimated by the Narada. Why the hell would Spock prime send the Enteprise crew to their DEATHS? Sorry, you got no plot hole.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:30 a.m. CST

    VERY disappointed.

    by Uga

    Saw it last night, wanted to love it - but there's nothing memorable, nothing awe-inspiring, and a hole-ridden plot. A great cast leaves open the possibility of successful sequels, but this was not a good movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:36 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Why are you getting so upset? It's sad we can't have a rational conversation about the film. <p> Everything about the film screamed crap to me, from the writing through the acting, cinematography and direction. I didn't like it. Why are you taking it as a personal affront? <p> As for the Enterprise crew not going back in time the whole point of Star Trek was a team of individuals working together to problem solve and win the day. To not even bother to go back and solve the time problem and just give in and accept the alternate reality is ridiculous and a complete creative fail on every writing level. <p> Again, glad you enjoyed the film. Just wish we could discuss it without name-calling and petty tantrums. But ir is AICN I guess.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Loved it!!!!!!!! I’m gonna see it again.

    by geodesigns

    And thank god Kirk is back. The writers of this New Positive Mirror Universe keep the Original Universe to avoid TOS Trekkies from grabbing pitchforks and torches as they would have marched through the Paramount Gates hoping in their geek minds to find a functioning Guardian of Forever machine as seen in the Trek Traveling Tour last year (I swear that set piece looked like it could convince a even the most skeptical Trekkie fan that it could work and –ahem- Trek is Real). If this new movie would have sucked, the Trekkies would have used this fully functioning Guardian of Forever Trekkies could go back a few years in time to convince Nicolas Meyer to do the reboot for 2009. <br><br> Original Universe is intact while giving audiences a brand new Altered TOS Era Trek Universe with the core character’s story arcs not influenced by TOS actor’s egos, salary negotiations of the past, aging factors of a near-geriatric crew, studio execs misguided decisions and the central leading actors wanting to direct a film, which largely shaped the Old Trek Universe. This New Trek will have the pleasure to be influenced by brand new instances of fucked up shit mentioned above in my last sentence. By the way, I loved how the movie was character driven, and not plot of fx driven. This move has simultaneously created a Alternate Trek universe as well as a Alternate Trek movie Production. Can’t wait to see how this brand new relaunch cranks out the sequels. <br><br> As for the effects, ILM outdid themselves, and I don’t mind that the unemployed combat photographers from Galactica have been hired to do this gig, providing shaky camera cinematography as all camera operators in the future suffer from a rare, alien neurological disorder called “Fuck the Steadycam-itis” (Thank You). Also, Trek Universe is now Home of the Lens Flare because its deity has a striking resemblance to lens flare creator John Knoll. <br><br> This’ll be one of the most successful movies of the year. It makes me to feel so awkward for being a Trekkie all these years, but in all seriousness I was immensely satisfied with this movie.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Watched it last night with beer and pizza

    by stooopider

    Which made it even more awesome. And it was already pretty good before the beer.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:39 a.m. CST

    MY WARP CORE IS IN HYPE-PERDRIVE!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    I need to change my pants!!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by genrefanboy

    Dude Spock Prime did not travel back further in time because the amateur screenplay did not want him to!!! </p> Please tell me how Nero and his all black mess no external detail's squid ship can be in all Federation space at all times yet lacks the ability to travel 25 years into the future so waits 25 years undiscovered in Federation space until Spock shows up. </p>

  • May 8, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    As for Spock jettisoning Kirk

    by kwisatzhaderach

    from the Enterprise simply so he can meet up with old Spock and Scotty, that is the lamest writing ever.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Wow lot of negativity. Talkback seems to be full of cunts

    by stooopider

    Seriously

  • May 8, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah the whole 25 years thing is just stupid too. But then Nero was a stupid villain.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I just addressed your point

    by joshuavance1701

    The Narada annihilated seven starships simultaneously, if the Enteprise had traveled back in time to stop it initially, it would have suffered the same fate. The Narada had 100 plus years of technology advancement over the Enterprise, in addition, based on the prequel comic, to having Borg modifications. The ole girl God bless her wouldn't have stood a chance. If we are going to call out plot holes or contrivances, let's at least be intellectually informed about them. I loved the film. Looking at it rationally, and jaded, as you all appear to be doing, the only contrivances I can recall based on one viewing, is that it was slightly weak, not fatally, but slightly weak the Narada waited there 25 years for Spock Prime to appear, HOWEVER, that being said, I would imagine the Kelvin smashing the shit out of it took a littlw while to repair you know? Also, it went by in a blur but, I seem to recall Spock Prime witnessing Vulcan disintegrate from his exile on Delta Vega. That should have been a no no. Vulcan has no moons, and Delta Vega is a planet. That is a definite oversight, I'll have to watch it again to make sure that's what occured. Again, however, Spock was mind melding with Kirk and narrating, so it may have very well been some sort of creation for Kirks benefit. We'll have to ask Bob to clarify that one a bit. But upon ONE viewing, literally, those are the only two smudges in reason I can find fault with that picture, it got SO MUCH, so very much right I can EASILY dismiss those two peon examples.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    stooopider

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks for proving my point. Just because I have valid critical opinions i'm a cunt. Cheers dude. Eliminate individuality. Join the communal mind.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:46 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Using the word intellectually in relation to this picture is crazy. Anyways we have to agree to disagree. It wasn't for me. Glad you enjoyed it though.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah....a false prophet..and a dickhead

    by quantize

    really..you sound like a prick.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Let me correct my last sentence-

    by geodesigns

    It makes me not feel so awkward for being a Trekkie all these years (although I’ve never owned, worn or desired to wear a Trek uniform, and my social life with the ladies is doin’ quite well, thank you very much Bill Shatner.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Bruce Greenwood is the key...

    by Carl's hat

    Even those critical of the movie (including moi), have gone out of their way to say how good Greenwood was. You know why? Yeah, he's a good actor, but more than that, he looks like he's lived life. He looks and acts like the man he is, not a pretty boy who's just left home. This is one of the main problem with movies and tv today. Good actors, actors that we all respect yet think are cool, that have the gravitas to carry a scene, have been phased out. And that is this new Star Trek. It's for teens. Always been a Trek guy, lost interest in Star Wars since Empire. Love Trek, but I seriously think the 70's animated series was more intelligent than this teenybopper version.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:49 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by genrefanboy

    Yeah and Spock Prime just happens to be in the exact right place at the exact split second time to save young Kirk's ass from the Lost Planet videogame ripoff lame monster with a flaming torch!!! </p> Razzie award for that scene and the entire movie in every catergory methinks. Could in fact easily be the Ben Hur/Titanic/ROTK of Razzies!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah liked Zombie's Halloween?

    by quantize

    tell me it aint so...thats almost as damning as calling yourself..um...Media Messiah you're just a fuckin MESS...no Messiah..you aint fit to sniff dogshit in the street much less judge a decent film

  • May 8, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed the hell out of it Kwisa

    by joshuavance1701

    and I can be just as intellectually pretentious as anyone on this forum. Tripe stands out to me as tripe, does anyone honestly expect GI Joe to be intellectual material? Or Transformers 2? The typical summer fare is glaringly obvious. You don't think I've read for two years all the concerns people have had and what this film could have been? How easily they could have screwed it up? Im a VERY discerning discriminating Trek fan Kwisa, I was all ready to rag on MY Trek being ruined. I tempered and lowered my expectations considerably going on, bracing for another Phantom Menace, but God dammit, you can call me a tool or whatever the hell else anyone cares to, when George Kirk was center seat alone talking to his wife I had fucking tears man. Absolutely came from nowhere. I knew right then and there I was in for something SPECIAL, and I wasnt let down. This movie owns. fucking. ass.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:55 a.m. CST

    KWIS....hows it going dude? so how is the

    by southafricanguy

    new trek? it seems you have seen it. I am only seeing it this weekend. Given what you know of my tastes (Cameron etc...) can you give me a mini review? What are the effects like? How does Nero compare to past trek villains? etc...

  • May 8, 2009, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Oh come on Kwisa

    by joshuavance1701

    If you are going to apply that sort of stringent, go out of my way to brutalize logic to this movie, what, Old Ben just "happened to be there" when the sand people attacked Luke? Dude come on I can make a laundry list of every genre films failings for the past 25 years applying YOUR logic. Lighten up man. These guys making this movie wanted to entertain not win a Pulitzer prize. Christ almighty.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:56 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by genrefanboy

    Yeah Nero is a complete joke. </p> He is willing to wipe out Vulcan instead of work with Spock Prime to prevent it ever happening. This is the same Spock Prime who is/was an Ambassador and specialised in Romulan/Vulcan relations so he is a diplomat and likely to be receptive to Nero's request!!!! </p> Another example of the poor screenplay from the Razzie hall of fame team behind this trash.

  • May 8, 2009, 6:59 a.m. CST

    and to all those that provided me with their

    by southafricanguy

    thoughts..thanks very much...

  • May 8, 2009, 7:01 a.m. CST

    josuavance1701

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Well no, because R2 was on his way to find Obi-Wan. So it made perfect sense he came out of the desert help out. <p> Whereas Kirk gets jettisoned to a random planet where not only does Spock happen to be in the exact same cave that Kirk runs into but also Scotty in a building nearby. That's just really lazy writing to me.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Quantize: You Are A Liar And A Studio Plant.

    by Media Messiah

    I never saw Rob Zombie's movie version of Halloween, and I am not a fan of Rob Zombie. You studio plants will do or say anything for your pay.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Genrefanboy?

    by joshuavance1701

    Im seriously starting to think you guys didn't even watch the film your criticisms are so desperate and reaching? Nero work with Spock? He blamed Spock for his wife being killed when Romulus was destroyed. It's fair to say his sanity was in question wouldnt you think? What in Gods name do you mean work with Spock to make it not happen?

  • May 8, 2009, 7:05 a.m. CST

    REVENGE BLINDS REASON

    by BringingSexyBack

    That must explain Nero. At least we don't have midichlorians to worry about. Do we?

  • May 8, 2009, 7:05 a.m. CST

    btw Kwis...totally agree with you about

    by southafricanguy

    Lynch's Dune. Love the book. I THINk there is some really awsome stuff about the movie, the set and production design, the costumes etc...as you say you see a talented director at work in there...*sigh* the possibilities...but i really feel that Lynch got completely fucked over by a certain italian midget... Man if only Lynch had been left alone to do his vision 100%. The extended tv cut is such a big improvement. I really wish Lynch would go back and make the rumoured pre-existing 4 hour cut as a directors cut (which apparantly Universal has offered him), but unfortunatly he wants nothing to do with Dune, he appears to have disowned it...

  • May 8, 2009, 7:05 a.m. CST

    ABSOFUCKINLUTELY!

    by Maniaq

    if I had just one tiny little indistinguishable atomised wish to change anything, I thought there was a great opportunity for Shatner to do the voice over at the end - I bet that's what they offered him and I can see why he turned it down and, you know, it kinda feels right for Nimoy to have done it anyway... <p> nice one

  • May 8, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    You're all wrong...

    by Duke_Whittington

    ...except those of you who are right.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    TIME TRAVEL IS AGAINST FEDERATION RULES

    by BringingSexyBack

    You gotta do it on the DL.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    well,

    by joshuavance1701

    that's all for me, later all. I'm heading to another showing today. Gots to get my Trek groove on. Analyze and criticize on , but I'm sensing some serious cognitive dissonance going on, people are trying WAY too hard not to like this movie. Don't worry, you've always got Transformers 2 or GI Joe, or even still Terminator 4 to save your summer and pin your hopes on.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Duke_Whittington

    This film was a breath of fresh air in a cinema fast becoming stale. It entertained beyond any criticisms that I could, and have, come up with.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Hey man, hows tricks? I didn;t like it (as you've probably gathered by now). Abrams doesn't really show any cinematic talent, no memorable imagery or framing. It's a fast popcorn movie and you may enjoy it is as such. I'm a casual Trek fan, liked the original series, TNG and most of the original crew movies. This doesn't rank with them IMO. Too many logic flaws in the screenplay. And Simon Pegg is incredibly irritating and feels like he has walked in from a completely different movie. <p> But you can see i'm in the minority. A lot of people like the story, fx etc. I thought Chris Pine did a fine job but the rest of the actors didn't really register for me. <p> Nero was a pretty bland villain, not thought through properly and hardly in the film much actually. Nowhere near as good as Khan or even General Chang in Undiscovered Country. <p> The FX work is well done but shot far too close up for my liking, not many wide shots so it feels cluttered. And no Enterprise sequences to match THP reveal. The shot everyne is talking about where the Enterprise rises up out of the clouds didn't do anything for me, probably because I didn't think much of the redesign. The Enterprise looks more stunted than majestic now. <p> Let us know what you think when you see it.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:08 a.m. CST

    I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE SHAT FOR 10 LIFETIMES

    by BringingSexyBack

    I wish Priceline would get another Negotiator.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:10 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You're spot on about Dune, beautiful looking movie but gutted. The production design and costumes are the best ever. I kinda love it depsite its faults. And you're right Lynch has disowned it, we'll never see the full version. Did you check out the Novel version on YouTube?

  • May 8, 2009, 7:13 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    http://www.youtube.com/DuneTheNovelCut

  • May 8, 2009, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Kwisatzhaderach

    by odo19

    I'm curious to see what you thought of karl Urban as McCoy?? I've been very impressed with what I've seen so far. Sorry if you already said it earlier. I don't feel like looking through this whole thing. <P> Oh and Dune is my personal favorite novel so......love the name.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack: Time Travel Rules Were Broken By Kirk...

    by Media Messiah

    ...and crew, all the time...on the Star Trek TV series, and in the movies...and like they wouldn't do it again to save Vulcan and the original time line???

  • May 8, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    odo19

    by kwisatzhaderach

    He's one of the best things in the film, pretty much nails McCoy. Cheers!

  • May 8, 2009, 7:23 a.m. CST

    thanks kwis.....will let you know what i think

    by southafricanguy

    of trek once i ve seen it. And no i have not seen the dune novel cut, will check it out. Yeah dude, before being released Lynch had a 4 hour cut that was screene only for the cast and crew. After that it was cut to pieces. That 4 hour cut exists, but Lynch just wont do it, again, even thiugh Univeral has offered to let him. That actually pisses me off....

  • May 8, 2009, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Star Trek Episode IV: A New Hope

    by vadakinX

    You know it didn't occur to me when watching it, but Star Trek really is A New Hope. Everything from the big ship vs little ship intro to the farmboy looking off to the horizon...there are even pieces from Empire and Jedi in there. <p> I'm not saying it's a bad thing, A New Hope is my favourite film, and my review way up nearer the top of the talkback was positive. It's a good movie...but it's more Star Wars than Star Trek.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    love the performance of the dude playing Baron

    by southafricanguy

    Harkonnen, love Geiger's still suit designs, love the use of rock guitar on the soundtrack, love the look of Geidi Prime....many things...

  • May 8, 2009, 7:26 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah, I think the situation was he had to make so many compromises through the actual shoot that he's not happy with the finished footage. But it would be cool if he'd put it together properly, just for the fans. Perhaps when Peter Berg's Dune hits? If it ever does, pretty quiet on that front recently isn't it?

  • May 8, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    vadakinX

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Its not surprising, Abrams is a massive Star Wars fan.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Kwis...are you excited/interested by the

    by southafricanguy

    obvious Dune influence on Avatar?

  • May 8, 2009, 7:28 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Oh yeah, it's an incredible score, especially Brian Eno's Prophecy Theme.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:29 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Re: Avatarm, only from what you've told me. But if it's one of the influences then yeah, cool, that can only be a promising thing.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Loved the movie

    by Falcon5768

    And so did my wife who HATES Trek. Was it perfect? Not at all, but you would be damned if you tried to find its faults while watching the thing it was so entertaining. And it was FUNNY! Holy crap I have not heard people laugh like they did at some of the lines. Every key TOS line got a "yes" from someone in the audience, and NO ONE left till the TOS theme was over.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by dengreg31

    we get it, you didn't like it. You're in the minority. Get over it. Move on. Blah Blah Blah.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    joshuavance1701

    by genrefanboy

    Dude if you cannot see why Nero would work with a diplomat Spock to prevent his family being killed (which we are never shown so again poor storytelling as its a crucial plotpoint) then its pointless me trying to fill gaps in your education. All Nero had to do was say to Spock your Red Matter killed my family and homeworld do you think Spock would say f*** you so what I'm keeping that red stuff as I invented it!!! </p> So out of character for Spock he would have just gone out of his way to ensure it was uninvented or been more careful. </p> Very basic screenplay rules (unless your the lame writers of this movie that is). </p> Scary thing is thats not even the biggest problem with this movie its the overall execution & direction is lacking in every way possible. I think the opening or anything else which partially worked is now a fluke/mistake as how could they get 95% so wrong??

  • May 8, 2009, 7:34 a.m. CST

    The Ultimate Problem For This Film

    by Media Messiah

    To be a truly successful blockbuster, this film will need aggressive repeat viewings by audiences, and it is such a major letdown of a movie, the audience that goes to see this turkey will not return to see the film for second, third, and fourth viewings. Very few will take their friends, family members, significant others to see the new Trek, or even recommend the film to the important people in their lives, or those who have a passing meaning in their lives.<BR><BR>After this weekend, where the film will get the top slot at the box office, the film will begin to tank badly into the 2nd and third weekend of release, due to that very lack of repeat box office, coupled with bad word of mouth on the movie, and increased competition at the box office by rival films.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    also, about Ebert "hating" the film...

    by dengreg31

    out of the 170 reviews at rotten tomatoes, his was one of the 8 "negative".. he gave the film 2.5 stars... Again, you are in the minority. Just because you say the film sucks doesn't make it so. I quite enjoyed it. And I'm not substituting your judgment for mine. Just go away a week and come back to tell us how Terminator was awful...

  • May 8, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    ign 7 out of 10

    by Blancoshadow

    We should start banning that site too...hahahaha

  • May 8, 2009, 7:40 a.m. CST

    MEDIA

    by BringingSexyBack

    There's no such thing as an original timeline. Any Joe Sixpack with warp drive can change the space-time continuum, not just the Enterprise. Shit, one minute you're good Messiah, the next you're evil Messiah, only because some fucker went back in time to get some whales. What's my point? I don't have one!! It's popcorn fare, don't think too much~! Some people need to check their brains, but not me I'm bringing it in!!!!

  • May 8, 2009, 7:44 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Enjoying your 'check brains in' saga enormously!

  • May 8, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Kwis...i know you have nt read the old script

    by southafricanguy

    ment but yeah there are several clear influences. First, Pandora (the alien planet) has several very valuable and rare resources that humans have found no where else. Thus the reason why the Consortium wants to control the planet. Second, it involves an outsider coming to and then adapting to an alien world and culture. Also, the Na'vi, like the fremen, have the potential to be a very powerful army if harnassed right...

  • May 8, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Good Times...

    by Refuge5

    I'm a life long Trekker and have suffered the good and the bad - JJ's movie is all good!!! I was 100% comfortable with each of the characters - Pike nailed Kirk, and I was even really shocked at how much Sylar was Spock... This is a good day for Star Trek....

  • May 8, 2009, 7:48 a.m. CST

    KWIZ

    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't trust the brain check girl manhandling my shit.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Very wise. Who know where those hands have been.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:50 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    All sounds good. Not long til we see some footage!

  • May 8, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    and yeah kwis...things have been damn

    by southafricanguy

    quite on the peter berg dune front...almost too quite...Actually im dreading berg making dune, for me he proved with hancock that he should not be let within 100 miles of a genre project. In a perfect world if it was my choice, i wpould give dune to Coppola...Francis that is. And then i would let him make Megalopis...but thats just me...

  • May 8, 2009, 7:53 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    My prediction: Peter Berg's version will be horrific.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:55 a.m. CST

    by southafricanguy

    and yeah......with the reviews on here, T4 by southafricanguy May 8th, 2009 07:54:13 AM sounds quite dissapointing. Makes me dread McG's hair brained schemes for future sequals

  • May 8, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm not even seeing T4. Looks dreadful. The Terminator story ended at the close of T2 for me.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Anyway, Kwis..gotta go and get some sleep

    by southafricanguy

    its very late at night here in Korea. Thanks for all the info, and as always kwis you are and remain...fkn professional. Have a good one, later dude.

  • May 8, 2009, 7:59 a.m. CST

    yeah right there with you dude...ended with

    by southafricanguy

    that last shot of the black road going by....

  • May 8, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yup. Closure. Expecting McG to make a good Terminator sequel is like expecting Uwe Boll to make a good Predator sequel.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:03 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    later, don't let anyone trash your fkn lights man.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:05 a.m. CST

    The Thing About Ebert..........

    by Real Deal

    I haven't seen this film yet. I'm greatly atticipating it though. When I read Eberts reviews from this film and other ST films I get really annoyed at one thing. He always criticizes the science but in the statements he makes it shows he doesn't understand the science himself! So how can he be critical of something he clearly doesn't understand? I also don't like him being critical of elements in ST that he over looks in other films. Ebert has never given any ST film high marks. The fact that he's one of the few that haven't praised this film kind of puts that in perspective. I used to like his reviews but as of late ( and way before this movie ) have lost faith in him. I'm looking forward to this film.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Real Deal

    by genrefanboy

    Dude thats the least of your worries with this movie!! </p> The direction and production execution is lacking so regardless of how strong the material is (its not either) that alone would sink this movie more than any science related issues.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:13 a.m. CST

    IMDb Ratings Rigged!!

    by genrefanboy

    Its been at the same level for nearly 2 days now. 8.3 from 2311 votes. </p> More studio rigging to ensure a decent opening.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    genrefanboy

    by kwisatzhaderach

    What did you think of the bridge design? I thought it was pretty crap to be honest.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Great film, but...

    by Philaspenser

    ... I thought "Trek" didn't HAVE alternate timelines, that if something was changed, it was changed in the very universe we've been watching. "City on the Edge of Forever," "Yesterday's Enterprise", and numerous other examples demonstrated this. So, who knows, maybe they did change the basic "Trek" universe after all. I guess we'll have to wait for the next series set in the 24th century... if Vulcan is still there, then Pine, Quinto, and Urban are indeed operating in some parallel timeline that didn't affect the timeline we're used to seeing. Oh, and the relentless pace, quick cutting, etc. that characterized this "Trek"? I feel the same way as I did for "Quantum of Solace": It's perfectly fun to take that approach for one film, but next time let's get back to the measured pacing and stylistic flourishes we all know and love.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:21 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by genrefanboy

    Dude I hear you and think the bridge was not terrible but not good either. Just average, it looked very futuristic but at the same time the bridge set direction was so poor it left little impression on me (unlike the TOS movie bridge sets) which you could believe controlled a massive Starship. </p> I learnt that this new bridge is not newbie friendly though as Sulu could not even find the warp drive controls could he!!!! (and the filmakers thought this was funny when Vulcan was in peril!!). </p> Also notice how they reuse the joke from ST5 where Scotty bangs his head now its Young Kirk turn.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    THE TIME TRAVEL OPTION IS NOT A PLOT HOLE

    by zacdilone

    The knowledge of how to travel back in time is discovered by Kirk and the Enterprise crew in the original series, an event that HAS NOT HAPPENED YET and now MAY NEVER HAPPEN. Nobody in Starfleet knows how to time travel. The only one who know is Old Spock, who would know that introducing such knowledge into an already altered time stream is potentially hazardous. He's following the Prime Directive.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:39 a.m. CST

    zacdilone

    by genrefanboy

    Obviously Spock Prime staying in the altered timeline of his own past with his younger altered self will not be potentially hazardous will it... </p> Prime directive, yeah right like the screenwriters care about that. Ha ha. </p> Spock would use this knowledge to save Vulcan (but did not & would not) or his best friend Kirk (which again he did not do). Spock would rather obey the prime directive and let both his best friend & planet die yet he was happy to use it to save the whales and planet Earth. </p> Sure I can buy that great dramatic premise........

  • May 8, 2009, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Re : genrefanboy

    by Real Deal

    I've read your rantings here and already know you don't like it. I'll form my opinion for myself and let you know here what I think. I'm going to see it on Saturday with a bunch of friends from work. But I know I'm right about Ebert in respect of previous Star Trek films.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Borg Tech on the Romulan Mining Ship?

    by warp11

    In the prequel comic it says there was borg tech on the ship. Did JJ stick to that? How else do they explain how bad ass a mining ship is?

  • May 8, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Are the cenari slugs the same from Star Trek 2?

    by warp11

    The ones they put on Pike to make him talk?

  • May 8, 2009, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Saw it Thursday at 7:00 pm on IMAX....

    by Lost Skeleton

    (which is really just a giant Blu-Ray player by the way). Fraking amazing. Reminded me a lot of the Star Wars: A New Hope. Funnier than I expected. Spoiler: Didn't like the Ulura/Spoke romance, but everything else was fantastic.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    What if: Kirk had no father. Spock lost his mother.

    by warp11

    And Spock saw Vulcan destroyed. Totally changed the characters. Made them edgier.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Red Matter from Alias and Slusho reference.

    by kenjinattix

    Anyone heard them mention JJ Abrams Red Apple Cigarettes-like product Slusho in the bar scene in Trek. Slusho was just on the last episode of Fringe and I had a feeling it would be in here somewhere. When Uhura is ordering drinks the bartender mentions Slusho. ALSO...more obvious was the Red Matter which to me looks EXACTLY like that Rembaldi creation Sydney Bristow was trying to steal in the first season of Alias...I'm I the only one who saw this???

  • May 8, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Philaspenser RE: Alternate Timelines

    by NoHubris

    TNG had an episode called where Worf jumped to alternate time lines and experienced different versions of the Enterprise.<p>Also, Mirror, Mirror in TOS had an alternate timeline in which the galaxy was ruled by an empire. Sisko and the crew later returned to that very same timeline in DS9.

  • May 8, 2009, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Nice try genrefanboy

    by zacdilone

    But there's a big difference between using an existing method of time travel to save a planet (STIV) and introducing time travel to a culture that has no idea it's possible. Especially a culture already unknowingly adversely affected by time travel.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Cafe Nero

    by Duke_Whittington

  • May 8, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Cafe Nero (again)

    by Duke_Whittington

    Nero/Bana seems to be getting some stick about not being a good enough villain. To me Nero is the wronged man, in another film he would be the central character we would follow and cheer when he exacts revenge on those who have taken his dearest from him. He's the mad max of the star trek universe. He's not a villain, not a warrior...he's an angry minor!

  • May 8, 2009, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Miner...not minor.

    by Duke_Whittington

  • May 8, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST

    reporting in

    by oisin5199

    Saw it last night in IMAX with the wife and stepson and family friend. We were grinning the entire time. My wife, who's usually a science nitpicker, said that even though the whole black hole thing is scientifically ridiculous, she didn't care because it was so damn fun. I agree. This was a truly great summer movie, in the vein of old style popcorn movies. Great action, great characters, good emotional moments. I loved Spock in front of the council. I've never heard 'live long and prosper' sound so much like 'fuck you' before. It's funny when people complain about how it's 90210 Trek when, down to a man, these new folk are better actors than the original ones. Of course, they're given more to work with. Once again, Media Messiah is full of shit with a minority opinion just so he can get attention. This movie is TOTALLY going to get repeat viewings. I wouldn't be surprised if people go back over and over throughout the summer, it's that fun. As much as I loved Dark Knight, I really had no desire to see that over and over again. Just way too dark. Whereas this film is literally 'a new hope' in that it has a positive vibe, message, and outcome. Not to start a political conversation, but perhaps the first scifi of the Obama generation?

  • May 8, 2009, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Media Messiah....tiny penis...and insane

    by quantize

    you're utterly hilarious..me, a studio plant? I fucking WISH. I loathed all JJ's other films...im not such a sad fuck as you i cant have a good time in a cinema without exploding in a rage of sad fucking delusional nerd rage.. You ridiculous tool...what are you? 5 fucking years old?

  • May 8, 2009, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I have a prediction for you Media Masturbator

    by quantize

    You and Ebert are about to look like the pair of dingleberries.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Great Movie!

    by DJEagles11

    Jesus Christ some of you are whiny bitches. I saw the movie last night with my brother, who hates all things Trek, my 10 year old son, and my uncle, who worships the original series....guess what? We all loved it. It's not the original series, it's a new take on it. I love that they are able to now take liberties with Trek, and be able to take it in new directions. It's about damn time too. Trek was a tired franchise, with no where else to go. It grew stagnant, and became passe. Today's generation deserves a chance to be given their version of Trek. Some of you may like it, and some may hate it, but it's here to stay.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:23 a.m. CST

    So Kirk and Sulu are falling...

    by GaiustheBrave

    and they get transported. Right? And, then when they appear on the Enterprise...they're still falling. What.The.Fuck. What don't you get about dematerialization and recombination, you stupid fuck who thought of that scene? <br> So, Kirk's one an ice planet, right? And, everything is white. But, then, here comes a red monster that seemed to evolve in an environment in which its skin color would be a severe handicap. Yeah, okay. <br> This movie may have been fun. But, it was retarded. Just plain stupid, like a third generation inbreed. That's right, like a Bush. Just crap. Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ, Oisin...

    by GaiustheBrave

    With all due respect:"perhaps the first scifi of the Obama generation" was one of the dumbest things I've read on this site. What an accomplishment. <br> BTW, I'm so sick of "I took my kids/friends/spouse to this movie, and they weren't Trek fans and they liked it." Okay? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Zero, zilch, nada. I don't give a flying fuck if the pope likes this one but hated the others. That adds nothing to the conversation.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:38 a.m. CST

    So Kirk and Sulu are falling...continued

    by Duke_Whittington

    So like the original 60's series a lot of bizarre and implausible stuff happens...Star Trek started disappearing up it's own arse when the writers lost their sense of fun and adventure, and worried to much about the science. This film for me recaptured that. All it needed was Kirk's double fisted punch to make me a happy bunny.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST

    GaiustheBrave

    by Come_ON

    Correct, saying people other than hateful, self-loathing nerds like a movie doesn't add anything. The only opinions that matter are the ones that concern themselves over the skin color of an alien monster. There is a reason hollywood doesn't care even a little about your nerdish opinion: You hate everything and go see it anyway. Good job being a complete tool.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:45 a.m. CST

    SLUSHO!!!

    by jamestewart007

    Anyone else catch the very obvious slusho nod? Or think that the "monster" in this film look a lot like the cloverfield monster? Also, this has to do with the new GI JOE trailer. The part where the two guys are jumping arond rockets as they dash up the street. Wasn't that the exact same sequence they had in transformers? Animators are getting lazy...

  • May 8, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    gaius

    by jamestewart007

    They weren't STILL falling. They fell because they rematerialized in the air above the ground. A tiger is bright orange in a dark green jungle. Parats are bright red, blue, and green. There are lots of examples of species living in an environment where their coat doesn't match. It all depends if you're predator or prey. And I'll vouch for that monster being top dog on his planet.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Abramsverse References

    by Anime_Nut

    Greg Grunberg's voice as Kirk's stepfather (pretty much all of Abrams' projects)<p> Slusho Mix at the bar (Cloverfield)<p> Tagruato Corp logo on one of the buildings (Cloverfield)<p> Amanda Foreman as bridge officer Hannity (Felicity / Alias)<br> - I cannot believe she's 42yo.<p> Red matter is a giant red ball (Alias)<br> - The only thing missing was the ripples.<p> I was waiting for a Lost reference... and maybe some Regarding Henry.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    zacdilone

    by genrefanboy

    Dude so your saying its ok to alter history and save Earth but just because Spock Prime is now in someone else's past timeline he has to suck it up and let both his Mother & Planet Vulcan remain dead which will no doubt alter his own future in a major way and even perhaps his own existance. </p> Terrible writing to even go there and introduce this element as his mother has about 2-3 lines so its not like you know her enough to care that she just got sucked into a black hole (which the Enterprise manages to escape somehow even though its not even travelling at warp speed!!). </p> Yet later the same Enterprise has to travel at maximum warp speed to escape its clutches. Yeah right I think I can see the consistent approach here......

  • May 8, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Saw it Wednesday

    by Evil Sean

    I went to the press screening Wednesday night and it is really good. It's everything the Star Wars prequels aren't. It's everything Star Trek HASN'T been for years - It's classic 60's original Trek: Wagon Train to the Stars. Kirk is a womanizing, fist-fighting bad-ass. The casting is perfect and the heart of the characters are all there. The special effects are integrated into, and essential to, the story and NOT distracting (except one forgivable sequence) in that George Lucas "I feel like I'm watching a video game or cartoon" way. This is, in my opinion, the most accessible science fiction movie since the first Star Wars in 1977. It's not perfect, but man did they get so much of it right (think Batman Begins). It is going to be a huge, huge hit and is going to inspire an entire new generation of kids to be enormous nerds (like me). Gonna see it again on Sunday again with my dad.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Phantom Menace bigger letdown, but not by much!

    by Snake Foreskin

    This Star Trek movie was by far the worst of the movies that dealt with the original characters. Yes, even 5 was better.<p> I'd just rather see William Shatner and the rest of the cast. They could act circles around this new group and had a chemistry that thiese punks will NEVER achieve. And let's face it, without the great core chemistry, the rest is just eye candy. And frankly this film didn't deliver on that at all.<p> And as for the cast, Karl Urban was an embarrassing imitation of Leonard McCoy, aka Bones. As was Sylar/Spock. The stuff they had going on between Spock and Uhura was cringe inducing. Scotty was okay, but the character was completely an afterthought.<p> And Chris Pine's skin was so bad, I thought I was watching Pizza the Hut from Spaceballs in a starring role.<p> I wanted to like the movie. I wanted to love it. But I didn't. J.J. Abrams is an egotistical asshole. He ALWAYS has to have some "fuck you" to the source material.<p> This time it was pulling a planet Alderaan on Vulcan. And that just sucks. Now the Vulcans are operating a la BSG. How screwy.<p> Utterly disappointing. You guys who are fawning all over this movie must have no taste. Certainly no objectivity. You've been had.

  • May 8, 2009, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Abramsverse References (cont.)

    by Anime_Nut

    Oh yeah, I almost forget my favorite one...<p> Rachel Nichols as Orion Starfleet cadet Gaila (Alias)<br> - Hottest green bitch in cinema ever!

  • May 8, 2009, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Oh, and the music WAS TERRIBLE!

    by Snake Foreskin

    I had so many hopes for this movie. Up yours, JJ Abrams et al!

  • May 8, 2009, 9:57 a.m. CST

    It wasn't bad, but it wasn't that good either

    by vorlonkosh

    Things I liked: 1) Zachary Quinto - great young spock 2) Karl Urban - great young McCoy 3) Special effects, new ship + new warp effect. Things I disliked: 1) destruction of Vulcan 2) Rapid promotions. From cadet to captain in less than a day. 3) Scotty was more like Shaun of the undead than Scotty. 4) Red matter BS 5) Kirk's Kobiyashi Maru test. He didn't even try to hide the fact he was cheating. 6) Shaky cam during all of the action/effects scenes. Incredibly annoying. 7) The idea that all of the future adventures of Kirk et. al have now been "erased" from the mythology. 8) More time-travel paradox rule-bending. 9) Kirk and old-spock meeting by accident on the ice planet. 10) Scotty's stupid little puppet side-kick. 11) The idea that anyone would still listen to the Beastie Boys several hundred years in the future. 12) The remake of all of our favorite characters pasts as if their original stories weren't good enough. They could have made a young kirk/spock movie without re-writing EVERYTHING we loved about these characters. I know my feelings about this movie aren't shared by the vast majority of y'all, but I think they wanted it to be so fresh and new, that they went too far off course and cut into sacred territory. At least sacred to me. I will always think of this movie kind of the same way I think of Enterprise. An interesting "Mirror-Mirror", alternate universe, self-contained, non-canon, and seperate from the Trek I love. Just one guys opinion.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Good God

    by Come_ON

    Someone bitching about Chris Pine's skin?? Talk about grasping for anything to vent your misplaced nerd hate at. If only the fanboy nazis would turn the hate where it belong: towards themselves. Please. Look in the mirror and realize all that hate you have inside is because deep down you can't stand the failure that you truly are. You're not really mad at a movie that has nothing to do with you at all. You're mad that you will die alone and unloved.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Reviews are reviews

    by unclebusu

    I like reading all this stuff, but in the end it is all personal preference. I think if you let yourself jump off and enjoy the movie it is quite good. Not without problems, but at least this felt like a movie and not some bloated TV script like 80% of Trek before it. http://drivein77.typepad.com/drivein77/

  • May 8, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Disappointed

    by rutan07

    Just to add my two cents...this movie is not for Trek fans. It is without a doubt geared only towards those who have never seen a minute, a second, of trek in their lives and those who love Trek, like me, can only be a bit broken hearted. Yes the going back in time device is lame (it only really worked in the fourth and eighth film) but beyond that Bana was wasted and terrible (no Khan greatness for him) and I have to agree with others here in that some of the coincidences are just to huge to believe in this movie. Kirk is promoted to first officer after not even being a member of the crew and then just shows up in time for the captain to go, "Hey...you there...would you like to have a job?" Yeah right. One thing about Trek is that it used to be actually pretty spot on militarily but this was just kind of lame. That plus the distruction of Vulcan, the younger Spock being a dick for most of the film, and the older Spock being misused and hardly there (seriously I am not sure why he is such a lench pin for this film because you could get rid of him and save this movie from a ridiculous sub-plot of Kirk being trapped on Hoth...I mean an ice world. Not as good as what it was written up to be on this site but come on...last summer everyone on Aintitcool was saying Indiana was the best movie in the world. They were wrong...they are wrong again.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Paramount has had this idea for 20+ years

    by JoMatZo

    Rebooting Trek was PARAMOUNTS idea for as long as I can remember. When I was you I lost all the arguments with the Star Wars fans because honestly Trek Paled in comparison. I for one am glad they didn't Undo the time problem and reset everything pack to Trek normal. They have made a good start. Watch the early episodes of ST:TOS and you will see that Shatner had not hit his eventual stride as Kirk. He grew into the character. Hopefully this happens to all the characters. I am looking forware to finding out.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Good point, NoHubris...

    by Philaspenser

    ... there seem to be as many examples of the existence of alternate timelines in the various episodes as there are examples that the main timeline can be altered. Which essentially says the changes made in the new movie can go either way. Though they definitely seem to be leaning in the "alternate timeline' direction.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:22 a.m. CST

    go see this . make it so .........

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    the movie was the fucking tits.......... i loved it

  • May 8, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    What I love about the haters

    by zacdilone

    For a film you despised, you guys are putting an awful lot of thought and time into it. You revel in your supposed superior insights and boost your egos with every negative post. At the end of it all, though, I have walked out of a movie theater with a large group of friends (ranging from Trek fanatics to naysayers) who all loved it, and I thank J.J. Abrams for two hours of perfect escapism and fun. You, on the other hand, go back to your empty lives where the only sense of self-worth you derive comes from trashing what others find enjoyable, smirking with a smug superiority that belies the joyless void that is your universe. So sit at your keyboard and whine away--I feel only pity for you.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Wow. You can tell who the losers are here.

    by Nix_Cadavre

    If you're such a loser that making Star Trek more interesting to general audiences seems like a threat to you, then you're somewhere at the bottom of the nerd barrel next to furries and slashfic writers. <p> This is Trek now, and the reviews are great. The audience loves it. The box office is going to be huge... The reign of B&B's annoying, techno-babbly, self-important, terrible Trek is over. Long live the new timeline!

  • May 8, 2009, 10:44 a.m. CST

    AOTC > ROTS > TPM > Star Trek 09

    by cinemixtape.com

    Seriously, at least the prequels were so over-the-top they were funny. And you actually got to KNOW the characters. Trek just had a bunch of references to shit and fucking retarded physical comedy-lite. And every part of the story was just sooooooo fucking convenient. Maybe Trekkies are willing to accept that shit (along with Nimoy's terrible acting), but I won't. Did I mention that Leonard Nimoy is a terrible actor?!?

  • May 8, 2009, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Odd

    by Come_ON

    It's odd someone would bitch about someone being a terrible actor and yet praise the Star Wars prequels. Probably just a twat trying to get attention. And here I am stupid enough to acknowledge it.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Bad ass.....

    by Imperius

    The movie was outstanding, sure there were flaws (as in all movies) but the flaws were so few and minor. Also, to all you people wondering why Spock can't just travel through time to stop Nero, the timeline has been altered! Thought the effects were great. First 12 minutes of the movie were just fucking awesome the way a space battle should be. (Loved the woman getting sucked out into space, SILENCE!) 2 hour fun ride. Can't wait to see what they come up with next as everything is changed.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    So Box Office Now Equals Quality?

    by TheLastCleric

    Detractors (and they are few but loud) are now claiming this film will fail at the B.O.? Even if that happens, it doesn't change the fact that the film is holding at a 96% fresh ratiing on Rotten Tomatoes, which is incredibly high. The detractors really need to let this one go because critically, the film is a certified megahit.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:52 a.m. CST

    "Not for Trek fans"

    by Nix_Cadavre

    Bullshit. I've been a Trek fan since the 70s... Maybe not as long as some people, but I watched the original series enough as a kid to have my butt in the seat when the first Star Trek movie came out, and I've been in the theater opening day for every one since then. I've watched every episode of TOS, Next Generation, and 90% of DS9. I skipped "Voyager" after the first season, and skipped "Enterprise" after the first five episodes (B&B Trek at its worst, despite my enjoyment of everything else Bakula has done). <p> I'm no Trekkie, but I am a Trek fan... And I loved this new one. <p> If you're so much of a Trekkie that you can't deal with a new timeline that is handled as canon, and would prefer to see Shatner's books turned into canon, then there's no hope for you. Go back to the conventions and see if Koenig will sell you his autograph for $20.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:54 a.m. CST

    by quantize

  • May 8, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    The destruction of Enterprise

    by Dotten

    All the quality in the world could not save the Enterprise... http://flaglima.com/?p=1221 To bad we won't get that sequel after all ^^ (Kidding)

  • May 8, 2009, 10:55 a.m. CST

    zacdilone

    by thedoctor28

    is my new hero lol...........

  • May 8, 2009, 10:57 a.m. CST

    JoMatZo, Etc.

    by Merrick

    Actually, a project like this has been in the wind for *longer* than 20 years. As early as 1968, Gene Roddenberry mentioned being in discussions with Paramount about a STAR TREK movie that would detail Kirk, Spock, and McCoy meeting at Starfleet Academy. Seems a STAR TREK film utilizing this conceit was pretty much fated to happen.

  • May 8, 2009, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Anyone who would compare this with the dissapointment

    by quantize

    ..of Phantom Menace is a certifiable lunatic..but ..its easy to prove too. Lucas forgot how to tell a dramatic story in film..if you think you can accuse Abrams of the same you a certifiable gibbering maniac who walked in with hate goggles fused to your empty skull. Theres more genuine emotion (yes even for ST's FLAWS) in the first 10 minutes of this film than the entire Borg like delivery of the whole last 3 star wars films. Anyone who denies it is in total self denial.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Actually, this film is for anybody who is ready for change.

    by TheLastCleric

    This is a very respectful reboot and the whole alternate timeline thing actually illustrates that Abrams and staff cared enough about the original mythology not to negate it or pretend it didn't happen. At the same time, they went a long way to establishing new actors and a new direction that in my opinion is fresh, exciting and loads of fun. I think many of the detractors had probably already decided how they were going to feel about this film before they ever saw it and that's fine; the original is still there and the new franchise is here for those of us who are looking to the future.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Later down the road, I hope the Borg come into play.

    by TheLastCleric

    With a new timeline in place I'd love to see Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise take on The Borg in a full blown military campaign like the one hinted at but not shown in First Contact.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:10 a.m. CST

    J.J. SHOULD DO EPISODES VII TO IX

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm betting Lucas is thinking that right now. <P> I'll be watching this in 9 hours, for those of you waiting for my opinion. Final verdict: taking brain in.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Come_ON - its the AICN paradox

    by Youngdog

    To bite or not to bite.<P>There is an old saying that you should never argue with an idiot. If you get too close to them people can't tell the difference.<P>We must look like such arseholes to anyone who doesn't post here. I believe that one day science will prove that internet postings make you look 20% stupider than you really are.<P>Typos don't help. Half my posts have at least 2 typos because I can't type quickly enough in a rant and yet I look like an illiterate moron to any daily mail reader who passes by.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:24 a.m. CST

    THE TRUE RAMIFICATIONS OF STAR TREK. (SPOILERS)

    by Err

    I'm having a hard time reconciling Star Trek as a movie and Star Trek as a "Star Trek" movie. As a movie, Star Trek was good. It was better than good it was great. Yet, I felt that as a "Star Trek" film, it was lacking something. It was lacking that Roddenberry undertone. For example, First Contact and Wrath of Khan were great in exploring the depths of revenge and vengeance at the cost of destroying one's self. In an odd twist, First Contact showed that vengeance can take you down two paths, Khan's or Picard's. Picard stepped back, Khan didn't. Star Trek 3 dealt with life. Star Trek 4, as hokey as it was, dealt with communication. <br><br> So what did Star Trek XI deal with? Emotion? If so, it just didn't feel like that was the undertone of the film. For me, it felt like "trying to get these characters into the spots they should be" was the underlying tone of the film. And perhaps, that is because this is a "reboot," "reimagining," whatever you want to call it.<br><br> I didn't read through the nearly 800 posts before me. So I won't pretend as if I know whether or not these issues were brought up by prior readers.<br><br> The film looks good. The winks and nods are there. Quinto's eye twitching was well done. And Abrams did a good job, but think of the ramifications.<br><br> In TV-verse, Romulus is now destroyed. Now, Romulans are the endangered species. Spock is now lost in an alternate timeline. Think about it, with two simple eliminations, Star Trek is now ripe to have new themes and places explored. <br><br> Random thought: If mining ships were so big and had so many weapons, why aren't they war ships?<br><br> Overall: Great movie, but I feel that Roddenberry's vision might have gotten lost in the glitz and glamour. I enjoyed it, don't get me wrong, but I feel a smidge empty.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Its interesting how those who liked the film

    by vorlonkosh

    can only defend it by throwing personal insults at those who didn't like it and telling them to fuck off. Really, don't you have anything substantive to say about the film? The only thing I keep hearing is "It was fucking awsome, and all you haters can just go fuck yourselves!" You'll never win a debate if that is your only position. Not that this is even a debate. We're all just stating our opinions here. There is no right or wrong. Grow up...

  • May 8, 2009, 11:27 a.m. CST

    JJ sucks

    by 10thDoctor

    he obviously took the kineticsm of Star Wars and applied it to the already cerebrally stimulating Star Trek... too easy, i.m.o. kind of a no brainer, actually. Abrams is a lucky hack.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    :)

    by 10thDoctor

    "I'm having a hard time reconciling Star Trek as a movie and Star Trek as a "Star Trek" movie. As a movie, Star Trek was good. It was better than good it was great. Yet, I felt that as a "Star Trek" film, it was lacking something." right on ERR !!!

  • May 8, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    QUANTIZE HAD A LOT OF GOOD ARGUMENTS SUPPORTING THE MOVIE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Scroll up. Many others did too. Now go fuck yourself.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:31 a.m. CST

    VORLONKOSH

    by BringingSexyBack

    I was just kidding.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    vorlonkosh, I didn't insult anybody.

    by TheLastCleric

    You can't force somebody to like something anymore than you can force somebody to dislike something. I don't care who enjoyed this film because I loved it.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:33 a.m. CST

    10TH DOCTOR - THEN CALL IT "STAR TRACK"

    by BringingSexyBack

    like everyone else. It is what it is, enjoy it for what it is!

  • May 8, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    YOU CAN'T PLEASE ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME

    by BringingSexyBack

    96% is a pretty good average thought.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Err / Random Thought

    by TheCarn82

    This gets adressed in the prequel-comic. Nero's Narada is the 'last' Romulan vessel, and he manages to get it upgraded with Borg technology.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:54 a.m. CST

    TheCarn82...

    by Err

    Thanks. I did not get a chance to pick up the comics (I think it had Data and Picard's face on it too?). Thanks for clearing it up. I looked at the ship and was like that is definitely bigger than a Romulan Warship.

  • May 8, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Planet Vulcan and Amanda Grayson?

    by OptimusValdez

    OptimusValdez May 8th, 2009 10:56:44 AM Question for all of you. How do we reconcile the death of Spock’s mother Amanda in the context of “Journey to Babel” and ST IV? Also, the destruction of the Vulcan planet to “Amok TIme,” ST IV, and basically every visit to Vulcan in TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9, etc? I want to like the movie, but these huge deletions in the time line really have me on the fence.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Answer to Optimus...

    by Err

    Those events have not transpired in this alternate timeline. Nero's invasion of the timeline throws everything off. Consider the slate essentially wiped clean.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    vorlonkosh RE: erased adventures

    by NoHubris

    Several mindmelds from Old Spock to Federation historians and POW --the "future adventures of Kirk et. al" (i.e. old timeline Kirk) are recorded for all to enjoy and learn from.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    What's with all the dickeheads...

    by DoctorWho?

    Media Messiah,kwisatzhaderach,genrefanboy...<p> It's one thing to not like or even hate the movie...but no, if YOU like it your an intellectual midget and an asshole. This infantile trait of assuming their opinion as indisputable fact is so fucking sad...yet I can't turn away. <p> I picture them typing furiously, grimacing with sweaty, furrowed brows intent on not just criticizing the film but even omnisciently revealing the greed and insincerity of the creators for those of us too stupid to see.<p> "If they can travel in time why wouldn't they just do this, do that, blahblahblah" as if that validates it as a shitty movie. That kind of bullshit questioning can extend into infinity. You're talking about TIME TRAVEL which is essentialy magic,superstitious bullshit. Overthink much? <p> You guys probably have warp core manuals on your bookshelves.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Untitled.

    by Joely_Boy

    In music there is manufactured bubble-gum pop that grabs the casual music fan by the ears automatically. There are also albums you don't know whether you like upon first listen. The pop music is quickly forgotten when there is nothing of lasting importance. The album you didn't know if you liked or not has grown on you and become one of your favourite albums of all time. When "Inland Empire" first came out I thought to myself: 'Oh no! I think I don't like a David Lynch film!' Of course the movie grew on me and now I am obsessed with it. I actually came out of Star Trek thinking it was quite top notch, but upon reflection all I can picture now is a hollow, empty shell of a film. There is nothing to make me ponder about what the future will hold for humanity. There is no real substance to this film. I'm actually quite disappointed. And I really didn't want to be.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    vorlonkosh

    by zacdilone

    Trying to enter into serious discussion with true "haters" (as opposed to those who just disliked the film...there is a difference) is a worthless expenditure of energy.

  • May 8, 2009, 12:18 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho? is spot on

    by Greenforehead

    As someone that grew up with TOS as a kid but is far from a bona fide trekkie/trekker, this film does EXACTLY what it was supposed to do; br