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This clip I love:
I am – Hercules!!
I really am bummed about losing Faraday and his necktie (and Jeremy Davies!) after he was gone so many weeks. Hopefully we’ll learn this week or next what he was really up to during Faraday’s three years on the loose in the swinging 1970s.
I am hugely excited about tonight's Alpert-centric “Follow The Leader":
Jack and Kate find themselves at odds over the direction to take to save their fellow island survivors, Locke further solidifies his stance as leader of "The Others," and Sawyer and Juliet come under scrutiny from the Dharma Initiative. Guest starring are Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Francois Chau as Dr. Pierre Chang, Doug Hutchison as Horace Goodspeed, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Eric Lange as Radzinsky, David S. Lee as younger Charles Widmore, Alice Evans as younger Eloise Hawking, Leslie Ishii as Lara, Sebastian Siegel as Erik, Kevin Chapman as Mitch, Elisabeth Blake as Vanessa, William Makozak as Captain Bird, Victoria Goring as mother and Maya Henssens as young girl. Written by Paul Zbyszewski & Elizabeth Sarnoff and directed by Stephen Williams.
ABC says of next week’s two-hour fifth-season finale, titled “The Incident” and hailing the return of Rose and Bernard:
Jack's decision to put a plan in action in order to set things right on the island is met with some strong resistance by those close to him, and Locke assigns Ben a difficult task. Guest starring are L. Scott Caldwell as Rose, Sam Anderson as Bernard, John Terry as Christian Shephard, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Francois Chau as Dr. Pierre Chang, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Eric Lange as Radzinsky, Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana, Brad William Henke as Bram, Jon Gries as Roger Linus, Alice Evans as younger Eloise Hawking, Andrea Gabriel as Noor "Nadia" Abed Jaseem, Kevin Chapman as Mitch, Mark Pellegrino as man #1, Titus Welliver as man #2, Emily Rae Argenti as young Kate, Tanner Maguire as young Tom, George Gerdes as Mr. Springer, Agnes Kwak as Aunt Soo, Amy Stewart as mother, Rylee Fansler as young Juliet, Savannah Lathem as young Rachel, William Makozak as Captain Bird, Daniel James Kunkel as anesthesiologist, Sonya Masinovsky as Russian nurse, Keegan Boos as young Sawyer, Colby French as Uncle Doug, John Pete as prison clerk, Michael Trisler as father, Sally Davis as woman and Adam Bazzi as cab driver. Written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse and directed by Jack Bender.
Finally, tonight’s episode screened at an Ohio State Carlton Cuse appearance Tuesday night. “Tstewie” has the report:
Whattup AICN??
I attended "How I Made Lost" with Carlton Cuse last night at OSU in Columbus, OH. The writer and executive producer spoke about the making of LOST, did a Q & A, and treated us to the world premiere of today's next to last episode of season five, "Follow the Leader."
Cuse was great, humble and hilarious. After letting us know that Richard Alpert is not wearing eyeliner, (that's just his weird-ass eyes!) Cuse got down to business talking briefly about the creation of LOST. It was great to hear how it came about from his viewpoint. It was originally concieved as a scripted "Survivor," he said, which I thought was interesting because I feel like I've always heard it was concieved as a "Castaway" TV show, but anyhow, Cuse came to the show after J.J. had filmed the pilot. He said he fell in love with the show and chose "passion over commerce," leaving his nice secure job working on "Charlie's Angels" to do this weird show nobody really thought would go anywhere. It might be a cult hit, he thought, but he and Damon Lindelof (whom Cuse had given his first TV job on "Nash Bridges") were not expecting a hit, deciding that they would focus on complex storytelling and basically just have fun. Their criteria for what went into the show was essentially "if we both thought it would be cool, we'd put it in." One of the funniest moments of the night was when he described Lindelof coming into his office with the ratings for the pilot in his hand, crying and asking "We have to keep fucking doing this?"
He spoke about how they hit a wall in season three citing the famous Jack tattoo episode a lot. He said at one point that that would be one they wish they hadn't made. He described the process of "cancelling themselves" and how LOST is a "story show" as opposed to a "franchise show" like ER. LOST is about the journey he said, and we are getting to experience that journey in the best way possible, having time to analyze and speculate between episodes, unlike those that watch the seasons one after another on DVD. I couldn't agree more. We are marching towards the end now, he said, and they feel like they have bought their audience a fantastic Christmas gift and they can't wait to give it to us. Oh, me neither.
Carlton Cuse was a real trooper when it came to Q&A time, fielding (I'm guessing) 30-40 questions. He said he'd do his best to answer what he could, but we needed to understand that he had to dodge some. "I've gotten pretty good at not anwsering questions," he said, "I've been studying George Bush." Most of my fellow "scholars" had obviously unanswerable questions such as "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" or "Why dosen't Richard age,?" the latter of which Cuse responded to with "Really? You stood in line to ask that"? Highlights of the Q&A were Cuse saying that he can or cannot say we will ever see the real Henry Gale, we will learn more about what Locke saw in the face of the smoke monster by the end of this season, and Rose and Bernard will return by the end of this season. Someone finally asked an intelligent question, bringing up the vision Desmond described to Charlie in which he said he saw Claire getting on a helicopter. Cuse said that was a good question and there will be more on that to come, promising that that was something they had not forgotten, unlike Libby, which I assume means we will never know how or why Libby was in the same mental institution as Hurley. Someone asked whether we'd see Vincent again, and Cuse said Vincent is the one character he promises will survive he island, joking that the entire show was actually taking place inside the dog's head. He said that this season's finale was his favorite episode of season five, and that "The Constant" was one of if not his favorite episode of the series, which I appreciated because it's definitely one of my favorites, second maybe only to "The Brig."
At one point, one student asked "Do you think in a hundred years there will ever be a show as good as LOST?" Immediately after posing the question the student literally ran back to his seat without waiting for a respone. God I love power nerds. Cuse actually responded to that silly question with a very serious answer, speaking briefly about the evolving economics of television. Today, audiences have so many different ways of watching TV, with DVR and the internet, and Cuse is not sure how long expensive, complex shows like LOST will be commercially viable.
Cuse ended his talk, after a prompt by a screenwriting professor, with some advice to young writers. He recommended Stephen King's "On Writing" and stressed reading. "If you want to be a novelist, read a lot of novels. If you want to be a screenwriter, read a lot of scripts." He encouraged us to follow our passion, and believe in what we do, saying, "If you do that, others will believe in it too."
And then, we saw tonight's episode! Commercial free and on the big screen! LOST fans: it was amazing. For me, LOST is the STAR WARS of TV. I love LOST on a STAR WARS level, and last night I got to watch an episode in a midnight showing of a SW prequel environment. The crowd was cheering and clapping and (unlike the SW prequels) it was actually good. I'm not one for spoilers, so I'll just say it's a fantastic, Locke-centric episode that charges toward the finale and gives all the remaining main characters classic moments. "Ok, we're from the future!" and Sawyer's Han Solo-esque exchange with Juliet in particular. (I think it worked, you'll decide for yourself.) It's mind-bending and incredibly entertaining and concludes with a "We have to move the island" type of ending that makes you go, "What-wha-what?!" You'll see.
So there you go. Carlton Cuse seems like a great guy and is "honored and flattered" by fans' devotion and appreciation. Hey, on behalf of us all, no problem. Happy LOST-ing everyone! Enjoy your Wednesday. Call me TSTEWIE. Peace.
9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.
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I attended "How I Made Lost" with Carlton Cuse last night at OSU in Columbus, OH. The writer and executive producer spoke about the making of LOST, did a Q & A, and treated us to the world premiere of today's next to last episode of season five, "Follow the Leader."
Cuse was great, humble and hilarious. After letting us know that Richard Alpert is not wearing eyeliner, (that's just his weird-ass eyes!) Cuse got down to business talking briefly about the creation of LOST. It was great to hear how it came about from his viewpoint. It was originally concieved as a scripted "Survivor," he said, which I thought was interesting because I feel like I've always heard it was concieved as a "Castaway" TV show, but anyhow, Cuse came to the show after J.J. had filmed the pilot. He said he fell in love with the show and chose "passion over commerce," leaving his nice secure job working on "Charlie's Angels" to do this weird show nobody really thought would go anywhere. It might be a cult hit, he thought, but he and Damon Lindelof (whom Cuse had given his first TV job on "Nash Bridges") were not expecting a hit, deciding that they would focus on complex storytelling and basically just have fun. Their criteria for what went into the show was essentially "if we both thought it would be cool, we'd put it in." One of the funniest moments of the night was when he described Lindelof coming into his office with the ratings for the pilot in his hand, crying and asking "We have to keep fucking doing this?"
He spoke about how they hit a wall in season three citing the famous Jack tattoo episode a lot. He said at one point that that would be one they wish they hadn't made. He described the process of "cancelling themselves" and how LOST is a "story show" as opposed to a "franchise show" like ER. LOST is about the journey he said, and we are getting to experience that journey in the best way possible, having time to analyze and speculate between episodes, unlike those that watch the seasons one after another on DVD. I couldn't agree more. We are marching towards the end now, he said, and they feel like they have bought their audience a fantastic Christmas gift and they can't wait to give it to us. Oh, me neither.
Carlton Cuse was a real trooper when it came to Q&A time, fielding (I'm guessing) 30-40 questions. He said he'd do his best to answer what he could, but we needed to understand that he had to dodge some. "I've gotten pretty good at not anwsering questions," he said, "I've been studying George Bush." Most of my fellow "scholars" had obviously unanswerable questions such as "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" or "Why dosen't Richard age,?" the latter of which Cuse responded to with "Really? You stood in line to ask that"? Highlights of the Q&A were Cuse saying that he can or cannot say we will ever see the real Henry Gale, we will learn more about what Locke saw in the face of the smoke monster by the end of this season, and Rose and Bernard will return by the end of this season. Someone finally asked an intelligent question, bringing up the vision Desmond described to Charlie in which he said he saw Claire getting on a helicopter. Cuse said that was a good question and there will be more on that to come, promising that that was something they had not forgotten, unlike Libby, which I assume means we will never know how or why Libby was in the same mental institution as Hurley. Someone asked whether we'd see Vincent again, and Cuse said Vincent is the one character he promises will survive he island, joking that the entire show was actually taking place inside the dog's head. He said that this season's finale was his favorite episode of season five, and that "The Constant" was one of if not his favorite episode of the series, which I appreciated because it's definitely one of my favorites, second maybe only to "The Brig."
At one point, one student asked "Do you think in a hundred years there will ever be a show as good as LOST?" Immediately after posing the question the student literally ran back to his seat without waiting for a respone. God I love power nerds. Cuse actually responded to that silly question with a very serious answer, speaking briefly about the evolving economics of television. Today, audiences have so many different ways of watching TV, with DVR and the internet, and Cuse is not sure how long expensive, complex shows like LOST will be commercially viable.
Cuse ended his talk, after a prompt by a screenwriting professor, with some advice to young writers. He recommended Stephen King's "On Writing" and stressed reading. "If you want to be a novelist, read a lot of novels. If you want to be a screenwriter, read a lot of scripts." He encouraged us to follow our passion, and believe in what we do, saying, "If you do that, others will believe in it too."
And then, we saw tonight's episode! Commercial free and on the big screen! LOST fans: it was amazing. For me, LOST is the STAR WARS of TV. I love LOST on a STAR WARS level, and last night I got to watch an episode in a midnight showing of a SW prequel environment. The crowd was cheering and clapping and (unlike the SW prequels) it was actually good. I'm not one for spoilers, so I'll just say it's a fantastic, Locke-centric episode that charges toward the finale and gives all the remaining main characters classic moments. "Ok, we're from the future!" and Sawyer's Han Solo-esque exchange with Juliet in particular. (I think it worked, you'll decide for yourself.) It's mind-bending and incredibly entertaining and concludes with a "We have to move the island" type of ending that makes you go, "What-wha-what?!" You'll see.
So there you go. Carlton Cuse seems like a great guy and is "honored and flattered" by fans' devotion and appreciation. Hey, on behalf of us all, no problem. Happy LOST-ing everyone! Enjoy your Wednesday. Call me TSTEWIE. Peace.
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they should've posed is "who is the president of ABC?"
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And somewhere, 7th is the new first.
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Lockes such a turd on the armpit of the asshole of the universe
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Where were you getting that info?
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I wish it was Alpert centric. While a Locke centric episode will suffice we've already had a Locke episode this season.
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not a big fan of LOCKE and JACK lately...but then again, i'm not a fan of foolish NBC who ruined a perfectly good network plug!
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Just kidding. I CAN believe it.
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There is a detailed synopsis of tonight's episode online. There was a screening last night that Cuse attended. By the way, Cuse said Faraday's voice on the comic con video was a continuity error.
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Didn't mean to sound like a whiny bitch.I heard a few weeks ago it would be Alpert centric - can't remember where.
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If Nestor Carnobell (aplert)doesn't promote a line of 'butch" eyeliner for dudes...well...you know what I THINK.
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I cannot wait! LOST is one of the few shows I look forward to every week. It has been the most consistently entertaining show in a very long time.
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just bring on some tasty-ass lost nuggets bitches! yum um um um
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May 06, 2009 2:44:30 PM CDT
Easily one of the best shows on tv! Well Angel is first,
by hollywoodhellraiser
then Lost is a close 2nd, followed by DS9 and Journeyman!But who care Lost is on tonite and I'm having ribs!!!
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= HEAVEN
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I believe Darlton has stated he will be popping up again either this season or next, probably in FB form.
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because my wife wound up getting fucking Red Sox tickets for free from work. I mean, the Sox are great and all, but LOST is only on once a week! I ALREADY WAITED SEVEN DAYS! I don't want to wait for an eighth!
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Damn the interwebs and its lies! I mean, its not a huge deal, still gonna be an awesome episode of LOST, obviously, but that really had my hopes up, because I loves me some Richard Alpert, and I'm anxious to know more about him. I imagine at some point, probably next season, he will become more centric and important, and hopefully get his own episode. I'm just sad because I had been looking forward to this for 2 weeks and had been telling people it was Alpert-centric. Damn.
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Dammit...
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dude , your a traitor.
actually, see the game, then...time travel back 1 day, watch lost, murder your past self(can't have 2 of you running around),still HOLLYWOOD HELLRAISER'S rib dinner.and your good. -
"steal" his rib dinner. alas, the joke was ruined by grammer
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They'll have to deal with "Shadow of the Statue" people...then the show ends?
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Because I heard that too.
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May 06, 2009 2:53:53 PM CDT
I'm sure we all read that stupid Alpert-centric rumor here
by turketron_2
In a Lost talkback. Dammit.
Whatever, it will still be a great episode. PENULTIMATION TO THE MAX -
I eat them all up
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twas a bit of laughter that erupted from me turketron_2
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for the smokie-centric episode.
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The only day I let myself be as unproductive as dioxholster's life.
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Good report!
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It's YOU'RE a traitor and "grammar". You're on a roll.
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what the shit are we to do in 2 weeks when LOST is off for another friggin 17 years?!?!
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because ROSE AND BERNARD are back! that's just great. Blow up the island now.
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"_____ and _______ find themselves at odds over the direction to take to save their fellow island survivors"
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hobocode...are you serious? cuz frankly..I'm not.(please check spelling)
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rose and bernard are the skeltons in the cave.
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Go see the fucking Sox (they're on a roll, and I love Fenway) and then watch Lost on the DVR. Never, ever bitch that your wife got you Sox tickets, or I will take her from you, and add her to my harem. My wife likes other chicks who are also into the Red Sox.
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That I still think features the voice of Daniel Faraday?
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"There's no such thing."
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...who read abetyler's last post in a Yakov Smirnoff voice?
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My bad. I made a mistake saying the episode is Locke-centric. He does the most cool shit but the transitions from 1977 to Present are done as flashbacks of Richard's.
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Read my post above
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I like the positioning of the castaways- Off-Islanders on the left, Left-Behinders on the right. And who's front and center? That's right. LOCKE, bitches.
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Pffft. Like hell, I say.
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Do we get to KNOW Richard? Do we get any good background info?
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Yakov smirnoff?
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The answers to your questions are kinda sorta maybe, and not really. Respectively. His flashbacks are what's "currently" happening with Jack and Kate. There is a moment where we see a hint of Richard's character that we haven't yet, but it's just a hint.
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Wikipedia still has tonight's episode listed as Richard Alpert centered, and they list their source as BuddTV. I think that is where it originated.
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there is a Captain Bird appearing
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No filmstrip this time. Are you referring to one shown at Comic-Con? I haven't seen it myself but someone asked Cuse about that, whether it was Faraday or not, was it a continuity error? He said that they created that preview or teaser with the filmstrip (again, I haven't seen it myself) before they really worked the plot out. Seems like he was saying it was supposed to sound like Faraday, but don't worry about it because we actually didn't end up writing it that way. He also basically said it was not a continuity error because it was never part of an actual episode, and so I guess it may never be.
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could the shadow of the statue be where the losties appear again when they come back fromt eh past...if they come back, I dont have a clue but bring it on....go team Locke
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You're never sure what you're going to get. It may be beautiful. It may be frightening. It's the build-up to it that is the best though. No matter what, though, you know that you'll blow your load at the end and you'll be left wanting more.
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Darlton has also previously stated that the Dharma videos are canon but apparently not in this particular instance.
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along with first officer dog and lt.cat are all prime players for the LOST:season 5 finale( hobocode-spellcheck!thanks!)
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Yup.
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what's that YOU'RE sniffing? pass it over, greedy pants!
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It's supposedly Alpert Centric again according to TSTEWIE.
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We supposedly don't learn much about Richard Alpert - again according to TSTEWIE.
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In reference to this episode's title-WHAT IF in some sort of shocking LOSE twist-THE PREZ is none other than JOHNNY McCain?
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a sad sniff because I was thinking about the imminent end of this season and then... of the eventual end to the entire show.
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That last bit about the university Q&A is a little confusing. the guy says the episode they saw was about Lock, and the moving the island bit. Wasn't THAT the mid-season finale we saw last Fall?
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Interesting, but it's 2007 in the most recent timeline, so still most-likely W.
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The one thing that's kept me excited about the whole time-travel storyline has been the way they set a rule in stone that the past cannot be changed, only written. That has been the way that I've ALWAYS WANTED Hollywood to do a time-travel story, ever since I started wasting my time thinking about this sort of stuff. The closest Hollywood's ever come to a time-travel story that seemed to meet my preconceived notions of how time-travel paradoxes should be dealt with on film has been Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, believe it or not (I love the scene where they decide to leave a gun for themselves later on, and there it is!).
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The end to this episode is supposed to leave us with that same "WTF?!" feeling that we had back when Bunjammin' said, "We have to move the island!"
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Is it Kate? Sun? Ben? The 1999 Denver Broncos?
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I can't wait to see this episode. I love the look on Jin and Miles faces when he didn't know that the korean war existed. Not to bait the flamers but I am waiting for a Worlverine not being in the Korean war reference, anyone? Crap I just did it...
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Ahhh...mibad. reread that.
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May 06, 2009 4:05:42 PM CDT
^^My self made WTF "we have to move the island"-esque guess!
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If Bill S. Preston Esq. and "Ted" Theodore Logan were always destined to be the saviors of humanity, then why did Rufus (played esquisitely by George Carlin) have to come back to make sure that this happened? If the past was written in stone, then how did Rufus coming back and helping them pass thier presentation help at all? Didn't they always pass it?
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May 06, 2009 4:07:06 PM CDT
Is there anybody in the USA a whining baby about the SW prequels
by donnie_dunn
well, if you all are like this.....just get over it! the whole six movies are just an ENTIRE MOVIE EXPERIENCE, so stop the cry and if you don't like it, move forward for another things....
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George Lucas is both a genius and a hack.
They need to just make episodes 7-9 now. They need to be dark too. I read somewhere that Chewbacca gets crushed by a moon?
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All the films are now available on Blu-ray.
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Hey Royston Lodge, I disagree in that Bill and Ted decide to 'remind' themselves to go back and place a tape recorder with a timer. This implies they later went back in time and made a change that affected the future - really more like Back to the Future Time Travel - except when Old Bif changed the past, but it didn't affect the future immediately.
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Bluray ftw.
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That is really irritating. A continuity error? A continuity error is the differing dialogue in the at the pier, or Charlotte's age. But to have the guy who plays Faraday record that VO work and then kill him off...well that's just a huge disappointing fuck up.
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wouldn't Rufus have always gone back in time to make sure they passed the presentation and became the saviors of humanity? Might it be that the necessity was always Rufus going back in time? Or equally their becoming saviors and his going back in time? If one happened then the other HAD to happen, both being necessary and sufficient causes for the other.
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I'm a fucking retard! Could someone please remind me how to do the paragraphs? Please, use small words and short sentences.
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Its pretty good, but I really hope they step it up for the finale (like they almost always do).
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With that reasoning you get a paradox. One can't exist without the other. It's a constant impossible loop. For the people in the future to know that Bill & Ted become saviors, then they have to become saviors in the first place. and that's WITHOUT Rufus's help.It seems though, that they couldn't succeed without Rufus's help. So how did they succeed in the first place? If they failed, they would just be like any other person and not become saviors. Therefore, no one would know that they had the potential to be saviors. Therefore, there is no reason for Rufus to come back.
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Just type without the spaces. I think without the spaces works too.
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without the spaces. Two of them create gaps.Enjoy!
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..because he came to the Island by HIMSELF. We know that anyone who leaves the island throws the whole thing out of whack, thats why when the O6 left, the wheel got stuck, and when they returned they were put back with the other survivors in 1977. Desmond can change the future, he is the only one who can. Thats why we got that "I'll never leave you Penny" bit last week. He's gotta go back. I know this theory has a big hole in it, (Sun) but I think this is the direction they're going in.
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Given how Bill and Ted tended to play out, I imagine it went something like this: Bill S. Preston Esq and Ted "Theodore" Logan meet Rufus who helps them become saviors. Their tale of how Rufus "totally helped them" becomes part of their legend. Basically, this creates a "prophecy" of one who is to come in the future (then go back to the past) and help the saviors.
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are those who don't have $3,000 to spend on a decent television and don't want to pay $30 minimum for every single movie and $60 minimum for individual seasons. Also I hate the little weeny cases.
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This creates some really odd cause and effect, to be sure.The best handle on it that I have at this time is to accept that in some way all time exists simultaneously (we just see it in a linear fashion) thus "before" and "after" are really arbitrary concepts OR all time is mapped out by some force capable of such planning (God, or something like that).
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the president in that time?? lol (before i start getting blasted, i'm 21 and can't name the presidents before i was born)
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I was a kid (born in '73) and he's the first president I remember recognizing.
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I'm just messin' with you Hansorg.
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LOL!! That was funny
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There's my theory. Please discuss.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...gaaaaaaaaasp....AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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THAT was great.
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Where IS lockesbrokenleg?
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a delorean crash lands on the island. the islanders gather around the smoking wreckage...only to see...2 phone booths also. hissing sounds come from all 3 objects, as the deloran door swings open...out steps a young martin mcFly, and proceeds to pull open the 2 jammed phone booth doors.With a brief struggle,the door is loosened-and out comes Bill Esquire and ted Logan.They look to the side and sumon the good doctor.Enter Dr.Who, who looks deeply into Ted's eyes, 'dude,where's locke," summons the musical genius...and cue in the HIGH PITCHED violin sound.POOM!
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Does anyone else think that Cuse and Lindelof are deliberately saying that Libby isn't important to the narrative, to throw fans off the scent? Just as in every interview I read with those guys, they always seem to shoot down Libby (no pun intended), and her overall relevance.
I believe that she was in the mental institution after being on the island - maybe along with Charlotte, Miles etc - and that coming back to the island cured her, ala Daniel. Her one-off appearance last season with Michael was somewhat random, but if she bears no importance then why bring her back to remind fans of who she is, rather than using a character already familiar - i.e. Ana Lucia?
There's always the possibility that she is linked to Jacob or The Others in some way. What if, like Mrs Hawking and Matthew Abaddon, she is someone that seems to put the Losties on the right path? She did provide Desmond the boat that got him to the Island in the first place (is she Libby Widmore perhaps?) and she shared residence at the mental institution with Hurley.... -
Who will get shot this week?
by lockesbrokenleg
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I didn't read a single talkback post - no way I'm going to be spoiled this week! See you all back here at 10!
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Ah, yes... that WAS hilarious.
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The only problem I have with your theory is that Libby seemed pretty much "healed" back in the Australian airport when she got in Eko's face and asked "Is there a problem here?" She might even have referred to being a shrink, I can't remember. Still, I think she was probably doing pretty well before she came to the island. What happened between that and the asylum (and before the asylum) is a real mystery, though. And I wish they would come clean about it.
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Im not 100% on this, but i could have sworn i saw Aldo(Rob McElhenney) in last weeks episode. He was sitting by a fire not paying attention as Faraday sidled into the Hostile's camp, Kind of like how he was sitting by the door at the facility with room 23 not paying attention just before getting the bums rush from Alex, Sawyer and Kate in season 3.
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Remember last year the video of Marvin grabbing his arm and talking about George Bush ect... and you could hear Daniel in the background? Is that not cannon? It no longer fits.
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He was also one of the two 'others' who escorted Widmore to the sub when Charles was banished.
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Like Richard? If he looks the same in the 1970's, the 80's or 90's and 2004, what does this say about the others? Is Aldo maybe Richard's retarded little brother?
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My guess is he misses ol' Junior! Anyone else remember that EW article a couple months back wherein Cuse and co. claimed Film and TV could now start being more optimistic because of Obama? And that the happy ending they had planned for Lost couldn't have happened if McCain had won. Well, with ratings plummeting and a season that has meandered to a finish, I'm not surprised Cuse longs for a time where his show was actually awesome and statements like "I learn from Bush" were relevant. If only we could learn something from Obama (besides how to spend spend spend:).
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A friend raised a good point recently: why is Jack ALWAYS out of breath?
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I know its still early yet, and some people probably don't come until after because of any spoilers, etc but cmon. Lets get this party started.
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I think Cuse did say at one point that video was a continuity error and was did not work out the way they planned. I think bceause of thats its now non-canon, because they screwed up continuity.
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Lol, good question. It's an annoying acting technique, like Sawyer's constant mean stare or Juliet's creepy smile. Tate Donovan from the OC has the same problem as Jack, always exhaling like he's relieved during every line he says.
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That they made the Comic-Con video before they had written the season and the storyline ended up changing to make the story work. And I say good for them that they didn't make themselves slaves to the Comic-Con video and instead did what they felt was best for the story. It would have been cool if it had been worked in, but Im glad they had the integrety to focus on story.
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He doesn't age? Interesting...I thought R.A. was the only one...
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If he comes back, its because he is in ghosty-form, which would be technically ageless, but he is not like Richard. The producers confirmed that at the end of S3, around the time our losties blew up the tents to sabotage the others, that Aldo and a few more Others were killed as a form of "housecleaning" for the show next season. Where is this Aldo speculation coming from anyway? He's dead.
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In the 70's, he was alive and the same age as in 2004. Maybe he was one of the "Originals", as was Richard. Whatever an original inhabitant of the island may be (the template for humanity's obsession with the "God" myth.
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good to see no pirate dickheads are here posting spoilers
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Bahahahahaha!
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Allegedly. I dont think it's been anywhere near confirmed that Aldo actually appeared in any episode since season 3, but if it was him then the implication would be that there are other others who age as gracefully as Bat Manuel.
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Right after Lost airs, damn that break, web episodes please
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Where did Widmore get a damn horse from, anyway? Did he ask the magic box for a pony? The only other horse ive seen on the island was kates gay ass black stallion (and that was more of a vision/hallucination/smoke monster thing). Where are all the horses and when will sawyer ride one with his shirt open and hair billowing in the breeze (it'd have to be inevitable, wouldnt it?)
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Someone said that Aldo was seen in the Others camp when Daniel walked into it. I don't remember seeing that. But I do remember in the season 2 episode 3 minutes when Michael walks into the fake Others camp theres an Other that looks just like Desmond. So I speculated that Desmond was working for the Others. But I was shown the error of my ways that it was just an Others Red Shirt who happened to kind of look like Desmond. I think that its the same thing with who ever thought they saw Aldo.
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You see, Bill and Ted ALWAYS needed Rufus' help to become saviors. There was never a universe where Rufus didn't go back in time to help them. And, since he helped them, they became saviors. I understand what you're saying. Rufus helping Bill and Ted caused them to be saviors and Bill and Ted being saviors caused Rufus to help them. So, in essence Rufus going back in time to help Bill and Ted caused Rufus to go back in time to help Bill and Ted, a seemingly self-causing event (since in the movie, I think I remember, Rufus goes back in time explicitly to help them). But, like I said, if this is a necessary and sufficient event for Bill and Ted saving humanity, there was no other possibility but for it to happen provided Bill and Ted save humanity. Obviously, too, time isn't linear, but only flows unidirectionally, from past to future, for us because of entropy. So, everything that will happen has happened/is happening. And, in this universe, if one event necessary and sufficient for another took place then the other event would have to happen or else you'd end up with a real paradox. That doesn't explain away the apparent paradox, unless you find another reason for one event or the other to take place. Say, for example, it's written into the Universe or God tells Rufus about it. But, logical consistency can cause all kinds of wacky things.
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Because that was the site of the original Disneyland. I't a statue of the stone-age Goofy.
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Is this what LOST has done to you? I think the Aldo stuff is pointless. It would be pretty lame of the staff to do this with such a minute character.
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I'm working off of the assumption that in the movie Bill and Ted will have already become world saviors, but no one knows the details of their earlier lives (such as a time traveler saving them) or they do know the details and it's already known that Rufus helped them. If it turns out that there was no recollection of Rufus helping Bill and Ted to begin with,it just didn't happen "the first time around", then everything I said is already out the window, regardless of my poor reasoning skills.
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that pretty much sums it up.
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But, you can't know the lengths of delusion I'll go to to pretend a show/movie is internally consistent.
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Yeah, but we still have Comic-Con to look forward to and just like the last two years a group of us always keep the Finale Talkback going till January and during that time we even have a watchback where we make a schedule of all 5 seasons watch the episode of the evening and discuss it the next day with everything that we now know. everyones invited to join in as long as your not a Troll. Just bookmark next weeks talkback and keep coming back!
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Fuck yeah.
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fuck i hope chuck gets renewed.
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Obligatory countdown post
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and no Rowdy?
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I thought that they went out on a good note though. For me, there wasn't one bad thing about it. The hour flew by too quickly.
I loved how the janitor was as big a liar as ever. I like how JD projected his hopes for the future, which were pretty neat. (Loved his kid hooking up with Turk's. LOL) Lots of great quickie cameos too.
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This has always been my biggest problem with all time-travel stories, and IMO, its one you simply have to ignore. It's also a huge issue for me when watching Terminator or Back to the Future. It always boils down to this for me. In order for all of these events to occur, events have to happen caused by people who were sent back in time from the future. But What happened to John Connor/Marty McFly/The Losties/Bill&Ted the very first time they lived their lives? Some things that happened are impossible without the influence of future people, but at some point these events had to happen for the very first time right, before the future existed, so what went down that time? Does any one else understand, because these things aren't easy to articulate.
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That kind of blew my fucking mind.
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May 06, 2009 8:03:30 PM CDT
JABBA SPEAKS THE LOST TRUTH!! (And it's all crazytalk...)
by jabbathemutt
Just to get this out there before we find out definates:
*The island is a spacecraft. I was wavering a little...until I saw the finale of last season again. When the island disappears...it leaves concentric rings going out...like a SUB. Which is the only way the island could move undetected...
*The craft has been around since before time. It's the basis of all myth and religion. It became an island like HAWAII became an island. Years of blowing dirt and birds and seeds...
*Richard Alpert has drank from the well...which is the Fountain of Youth. (Or he is the caretaker android of the craft.)
*It WAS Atlantis at some point. But the island is older than all recorded history. Seriously, an island that disappeared in a single night? In SMOKE and fire?
*Smokey was created by the original aliens to enforce the moral code of the island. It is obviously sentient (AI)...and was made to take the form of things that the inhabitants of earth can understand.
*Smokey is what all religions view as God...and was taken from the island twice in recent history: 1. In the Ark of the Covenant...and, 2. In Pandora's box.
*The island is also the source of the belief in reincarnation. Remember, when Eko thought he was talking to his brother...his brutha said, "Why do you speak to me as if you know me?"
*Eloise (and Ben and Widmore) learned all about the island and the future from the journal she gave Daniel...which she retrieved after she killed him.
*ADEFBC
*Ben Lost his innocence just as Adam and Eve...by gaining knowledge from the Tree of Life...or the Smoke of Life.
*Walt will be the next leader after John.
* Jughead exploded when they stopped pushing the button...thus fracturing time in a pinwheel fashion. That is why there is only a single bearing to leave the island. It is the only path that is concurrent with whatever timeframe the people leaving or arriving are currently in.
*That EM pulse brought down the plane...just as Smokey and the Ghost People wanted.
*The only place that is not affected by the fracture of timespace is the temple.
*Miles' father has been duplicated MANY times with the Dharma machine...thus, the infinite names.
*There is a medicinal herb which many on this talkback use to visit the island. (I'm talking to you Fain...)
And finally, these are just my theories. I have never been to Lostapedia or any other Lost site. I have been part of this board for a few months. I may have been inspired by 'others' on this site...and if that happened...I thank you.
But I believe I came to many of the above points chatting with the one and only savior in my life...Barrack Obama.
I keed, I keed...my lovely and endlessly patient wife...
Now, bring on the haters and/or people who say that THEY CAME UP WITH THIS ALONE AND I AM STEALING THEIR PRECIOUS THOUGHTS!!
And, for now, JABBA OUT!!
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Oh what the fuck....?
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if the plane never crashes, kate goes straight to prison jack is a dick....KILL HIM
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That means you, beyatch.
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there were eggs long before there were chickens
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everybody time shifted...there goes theory one, right down the motherfucking tubes
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...first commercial was about changing your hairs past and then the next commercial was about the mac and pc going back in time. WHAT THE HELLS GOING ON!!
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People always say they want the ending where everyone dies because it would be "so true to the story" but in reality most of the time it kinda sucks.
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That means you, beyatch.
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i aint paying taxes no more...thank you pop quiz...who was richard nixon and im sorry, hurley isnt stupid, he can subract and he did take history in school...wouldve been much cooler to ask him who won the world series
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fucking great.
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Hurley rocks.
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he can play Deluise in a biopic.
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"God Save the Queen" by the Sex Pistols came out in '77 also. Cowinkydink?
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...he's hilarious.
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to see Ben at a loss. I can't remember a time in the series that he hasn't had a play.
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deliciously wicked
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Holy fuck. This is the best episode in awhile.
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LOST is pretty much the greatest TV show ever, right?
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elvis died. or did he?
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"You fought in the Korean War?" "Uhhhh...uh... there's no such... thing?"
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What am I forgetting? I thought Sun, Ben, Locke et. al are in 2007? But if they're watching locke come out of the jungle shot, then they're in 2004. WTF?
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Easily the best character arc and the most changed by the experience. As Locke has grown as a person Jack has lost his sense of self.
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Fuck the Locke-Dick-Locke conundrum they just created. Locke told Richard to tell Locke what Locke heard Richard tell him when Locke was flashing through time?
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...You're me from the future...or am I you.....
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what a great show
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Locke was shot when they were time tripping and jumping into past/future. But how does resurrected Locke know what date it was when he reached the plane?
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uh, yes. At this moment, I feel like we can.
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"And could you pass the Cool WHip?"
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sorry, juliet. John Locke owns the perma-smirk now.
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Bah ha ha. I love his pain.
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He hadn't seen Locke in 3 years?
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You da fuckin man!!!
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That exchange between Hurley and Chang was quite possibly the greatest stuff in Lost thus far. "Who is the President of the United States?" "Uh. . .um. . .okay, you got me. I'm from the future."
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i thought he shot kate. fuck.
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cause Locke now is the smoke monster in form. it knows all and sees all. the smoke monster also took the shape of Alex during Ben's judgement--hence no Locke present during that time. he was off, conveniently looking for a vine
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May 06, 2009 8:38:50 PM CDT
Damn, I was gonna give that dude a medal for shooting Kate
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but Sayid wasted him.
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Did not see THAT coming! Yay, Sayid!
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Nice timing Sayid
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until he runs outta people to shoot
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May 06, 2009 8:39:55 PM CDT
mthrndr- its bc the Locke of the premiere was time-travelling
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And after he got shot, he travelled to 2007 where Richard healed him.
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...that it kills you. Im soo scared.
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seriously....
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seriously....
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not really, but how great would that be?
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Then Why did he say he hadn't seen him in 3 years? It still doesn't add up.
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me too, man. me too.
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Just be sure to sell the stock in 1999.
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And he said he last saw him 30 years ago? ;^)
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you seem to have made a cottage industry out of time paradox. Lost, Star Trek, and Fringe all have time play and alternate timelines and time travel. So, I loved Primer but of you can clarify some of it's finer points for me I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
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May 06, 2009 8:47:46 PM CDT
That suck if he ran out of air halfway there and died...
by drbrianoblivion
...and then they just ran the credits...
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Faraday is still dead? BULLSHIT.
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I can't tell.
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is a naughty bit of crumpet...
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Eloise, age 37, has a nice pair of 'em.
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bum bum BUUUUUM!!
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Dont tell me you're part of this Jacob cover-up conspiracy too! You're supposed to be one of the good guys!
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...possibly a clever hoax by Richard and Ben???
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discuss
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That was the ONLY part of the episode that didn't ring true so far. Sun, being her whiney self, "Can this Jacob tell us how to get Jin and the others back?" Well DUH. Let's just spell it out for all the kindergardeners out there.
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ALL these people aren't gonna fit in that cabin...
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no. We've "seen" jacob, and richard he is not.
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that the true nature of what is going on is not what I've been expecting AT ALL.
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Let me put it this way: 2004, Richard Alpert watches John Locke disappear. 2007, John Locke walks up on the beach. Richard says "I haven't seen you in 3 years." A few hours later- in 2007- Locke takes Richard to the spot where Locke2 (from the year 2004) will appear next to the Beechcraft. Do you understand it now?
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no we have seen jacob manifest himself as christian, and weve never seen richard and "christian" together, richard is the only one of the "others" who doesnt age, and he was referred to as an advisor, is jacob not an advisor?
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...one of those fake wig and beards.
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why are they wasting it on this sawyer/juliet soap opera bullshit?
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We saw the ghost of Christian Shepherd in the shadows in that cabin.
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Will be showing up.
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kate ruins everything.
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Hahaha! NOW I get it! This show is fucking hilarious. You're exactly right.
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...always screwing shit up.
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always fucking up Sawyer's game
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it suuuucked
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that's what happens to murderers
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Singing along with the music.
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that wasn't the end!
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I thought her comment to Locke sounded like an infomercial: "So Jacob can clean up spills *and* polish my car?"
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"so I can kill him"? But why John Locked? WHYYYYYY?!
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go back to 1977 USA and invent threesomes. ;^)
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"So I can kill them."
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Duuuuhhhhhrrrrrr------ WHAT?!?! Man what a classic Ben look there for the final shot.
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Season finale promises to be outrageous...I don't know why but hearing "Jack has a bomb" makes me laugh.
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"So I can kill them" or "So I can kill him"
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Well, time for "Pitchmen!"
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wouldnt it be awesome if jacob was the sham wow guy?
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it's because jack has become comically impotent in the world of lost.
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WTF?!?!?!
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I have to rewatch it immediately.
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Kate, Juliet and Sawyer have to hijack the Sub and make it turn around?
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That would explain why Locke wants to kill him.
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if the island goes below 50 mph, they're screwed
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That tainted an otherwise perfect episode. Full of intrigue and mystery- but providing some answers, revealing new aspects of much-loved characters, full of great moments between them. Damn it was awesome. Except for you, Sun. You fucked it up.
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...from the next los episode.
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There should be like a separate talkback or something.
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...if Locke has his suspicions of who Jacob is...if he exists at all and maybe calling Richard and Ben's bluff?
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"So I can kill him." Works for me.
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And if the war is actually between Jacob and the Island, then killing Jacob would be what the Island wants.
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...the last moment in the finale.
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Maybe killing Jacob is the only way to release him?
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I'm slightly disappointed in that ending, because we didn't learn much beyond locke's motives. but I'm starting to really suspect that there's a huge long con/hoax going on...
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looks like he shit his pants when John said that. I agree with the others, Jacob is a big Richard/Ben ruse. Those guys really don't understand what "Christian/Walt" (the island) has been doing with John.
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...worked for him.
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and STILL didn't give any new info on Richard! SERIES FINALE: Richard sitting on beach telling all his secrets to Vincent for 2 hours...
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Except when you have to make it happen in your future, like Locke just did, to make sure what happened in the past, happened in the past. The complete opposite of what Mrs. Hawking has been doing. Interesting.
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May 06, 2009 9:13:21 PM CDT
...and I think that now that they've shown us that...
by drbrianoblivion
... there can be two version of the same person at the same time with the double lockes, jacob is definatly going to be an older version of one of our main losties.
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"woof, woof" whats's that vincent? Locke is stuck down a well?
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I don't get this whole bomb story, seems kinda lazy.
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Then why be upset when Locke says he wants to kill him? It must be something like showing people God. You can't show them God. Because then its not faith. Its knowledge, and its not the same thing.
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...in the shadows.
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and I want to know why locke thinks he can kill jacob. He feels like this kind of ethereal being who is one-in-the-same with the island, like the manifestation of the island's will.
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Did you mean 1977 or 1877?"
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just throwing it out there.
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Is Locke killing Jacob because he's good, he's been trapped, and because the Island (who is now speaking to him) wants Jacob to be free? Or is he going to kill Jacob because the Island told him to, and the Island has been at war with Jacob? If the situation is idea #1, then that means that Richard has been working against the Island, keeping Richard where he is...
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should be against the law
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Though I got pissed Locke wouldn't listen to Richard and let him tell him the Island secrets. But at that point, I think Locke already knew them all.
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And Older than Wolverine."
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he's going to take Jacobs place in the great machine, ala Bab5
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...is like killing a person who can't commit suicide. You all know he (Jacob) wanted it way back when, you know, in "that" episode.
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we've got 17 episodes left. I gotta believe we'll start getting some alpert answers in the next 10
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he thinks he's going to put Jacob out of his misery
Remember Jacob said *help me* to Locke
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May 06, 2009 9:23:56 PM CDT
I feel like Lockes motives have become completely selfish now...
by drbrianoblivion
...He's seen and been affected by the power of the island so much that he's become jealous of jacob and wants to usurp him as the "king".
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Maybe he thinks Jacob has to be killed to be set free like he had to be killed to be set free?
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And Ben didn't hear him. So either Jacob stopped talking to Ben, or Ben and Richard had been making sure Jacob stayed "trapped", if thats indeed the case.
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God I hate that douchebag. I do not want to see him live to work in the Swan Station. That motherfucker needs to get taken down 29 notches. Telling Horace and Chang he's in charge now. What a fucking dick. I really hope they've been setting him up to be such an asshole so we can cheer when the fucker gets gutted or something. I don't think I've ever hated a character on this show as much as I have him.
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1. The traditional paradox reason: if they stop the crash from happening, then they won't be on the island. If they never come to the island, they won't go back in time. If they don't go back in time, they never stopped the crash from happening. If they never stopped the crash from happening, they WILL go to the island. And so on forever.
2. Because Locke, Sun, Ben and the Others exist in a version of the future in which Jack and co. have already gone back in time (as evidenced by the photograph that Christian showed Sun). Everything that Jack will do has already happened from the Locke 2007 point of view. If they were going to change the future, then that Locke 2007 time frame wouldn't exist.
It might seem like Jack somehow could change things, and then all of a sudden Locke, Sun, Ben and everybody would suddenly disappear. But that idea would be based on the premise that somehow the 2007 and 1977 stories are happening in parallel. But why would they be? Just because the show is presenting them to us side by side doesn't mean they're somehow connected. Because Jack and them have already gone to the past from the Locke 2007 time frame, any changes they will make would already be incorporated into his timeline. Since the crash has still happened, that must mean that Jack fails to change it. -
I'd like to discuss tonight's episode. I don't want someone to tell me what's going to happen in the future.
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That Richard really did see Jack and Kate and Hurley get killed...
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I'm waiting for Jacob to turn out to be a much older Jack Shepard... just imagine what a great scene that would be when Locke bust in to kill him and realizes that it's Jack...
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Unless he saw them get caught in an explosion that actually sent them back to the future. And just thought he saw them die.
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Clearly, Daniel's mom spent her whole life nudging Daniel along so that he would end up going to the island, going back in time, and getting killed by her. We don't know why she wanted to do that yet (probably because her getting that notebook leads to something so good happening that she doesn't want to mess it up). But since she has known the whole time that that's what's going to happen, that must mean that Daniel going back in time with all that information ISN'T NEW. It was always a part of the timeline.
That must mean that this whole Jack trying to change things scenario is also not new--since he got the idea from Daniel, but (since Daniel's mom always knew that she was going to kill him) we know that Daniel was already there to give Jack the idea in the original version of the timeline.
Basically, it would make no sense (even based on the time travel logic that the show has set for itself) for Jack to be able to change the future. If it turns out that's what happens, it's really going to bug me (but Lost has a way of taking story turns that are so totally different from my range of expectations that I never see them coming--so I'll just have to wait and see). -
...that Locke has become the bad guy and whoever jacob is, he's been trying his hardest to save the island and all the people on it.
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Richard: Nobody kills Jacob, I keep him trapped because it keeps me young and pretty...I WILL NOT LET YOU TAKE AWAY MY YOUTHFUL GUYLINER-ISH LOOKS!
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yeah, like a 12yo girl scout that isn't tied up or hand cuffed to a chair would totally own that fucking wimp
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Locke is going to sympathetically euthanize Jacob.
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Maybe Richard did see them all get killed. Maybe what he thought was them getting killed was actually something else. Or maybe he's lying.
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Could Jacob actually be a very old John Locke?
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Hoping things will be different and he'll be able to change things that time.
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A.) Don't post that shit here. B.) It's false because that isn't posted on the usual spoiler grounds - DarkUFO, etc.
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came from the Black Rock (see ship in a bottle scene), along with Jacob, and that maybe they took over and went against the island's actual wishes in some way.
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I'm starting to think that Richard really can communicate with Jacob, and that Charles and Ben might have been pretending to, then doing whatever they wanted. Locke is freaking Ben out because Locke seems to have not only heard Jacob but SEEN him. Or he's making Ben and Richard put up or shut up by producing Jacob on demand?
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He just needed someone to bring him some asswipe.
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Wow...that was laughable. Did they run out of money this season? A plastic ship would have been better...
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...who lives out in the woods and gets people to spill the truth with serum shots. What the hell is his story. Are we just done with him.
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I have no idea whether LostBoytexass spoiled anything or not, but just mention that he may have is going to keep me from reading this talkback... fucker. Loved this episode and can't wait till next week. Lost season finales are sex.
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In Season 3, Locke never told Ben he got a glimpse of Jacob. He only told him that he heard him. But then, Ben did shake the chair that Jacob was sitting in. So either Ben was pretending, or he DID see Jacob and just couldn't hear him. Either way, Ben was definitely freaked out when Locke said "I don;t think youve ever seen him," implying that Locke did. I wonder if Ben is starting to second guess his being a Locke disciple, even if Smokey told him to do it.
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Widmore will get his hands on Daniel's journal,his version of the sports almanac, and will use it to build his fortune. The only one who can change the future would be Desmond. He goes back to the island, ends up in 1955, professes his final love for Penny and kills a young Charles Widmore, thus negating her and saving everyone.
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I can't tell you how glad I am that guy blows his brains out.
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Can't tell you how glad I am that guy blows his brains out.
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It only looked CGI once it passed the camera.
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that they've hired an actor to play Jacob which would imply it's not one of our regulars in old age makeup. But it could still be an older version of someone we know.
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You are correct.
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...is probably just to throw people off.
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...that they wan this jacob reveal to be a WHAAAAAAAA....
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Locke has to kill Jacob so that he can die and come back- just like Christian and Locke did! Think of God the skeeball player in Dogma. Has to die to come back.
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I miss those days.
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That's just a more literal way of saying what I said about being "Set Free". :^P I think that's what Locke THINKS he's going to do, but Locke's actions tend to make things worse, don't they?
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Better site your sources for your so-called "info" since it smells like you're full of shit.
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So do you think Locke will succeed?
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Every show should have Harold Perrineau run across the background yelling walt at least once per episode
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After Eloise shoots Daniel, he looks up at her and says, "You knew..." Based on the rule that TV characters on their deathbeds are never wrong with their last words, I'm choose to believe that Daniel was correctly realizing that all that pressure his mom had been putting on him to go in the direction that would take him to the island and back in time was because she was trying to make what happened happened (in the same way that Locke made sure that Richard was there to give him the instructions that he had originally given him).
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...but I have to avoid your posts, cause it seems like you get a sick pleasure out of spoiling things. LET ME LIVE!!! I WANT TO LIVE!!!
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Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!!!
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he's a muslim with access to a womd
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Considering the actor playing Jacob has already been photographed shooting scenes and have had set reports sent in regarding his role in the finale, I won't need to wait to know you're lying.
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He died and the Island resurrected him. The Island is talking to him again. He knows things. I don't see this next act causing anything bad to happen.
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Asking, "Which came first?" in a universe where the arrow of time is just the manifestation of entropy (and therefore is not a quality of time itself, since time is not an entity and cannot have qualities)is the same as asking "Which is more real?" You see?
If the arrow of time were to shift from past-future to future-past, cause would become effect and effect would become cause. But, time itself exists at all points. That is, all events in spacetime have equal reality. There are no physical laws that say time has to move in one direction. In fact, the laws of physics work equally well in either direction. So, none can really be said to precede another, except by our everyday understanding of time. And, the sequence of cause and effect are just in place to preserve the laws of physics anyway, i.e., matter can neither be created nor destroyed. So, as I ranted on before, if two events are necessary and sufficient for each other (event A not only causes event B, it is caused by event B) then if one exists, both exist. But, I was wrong before in saying one would have to happen and then the other would follow. They would both exist "at the same time." There would be no first or second, since that presupposes a direction, and linearity, to time.
The preceding silly defense of Lost and Bill and Ted doesn't apply to the Terminator and Back to the Future movies, though, where time travel can change the couse of events so as to create a true paradox, i.e., a logical inconsistency of something existing and not existing.
There, nothing's gonna shake my world. Lost is still consistent. If you disagree, just pretend anyway for the children's sake. -
But Ben says "I can't kill him John. You have to. He's your REAL Father." Ben smirks. Locke's eyes get big. LOST!
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...are the same people who looked in their parents closets during christmas to see their presents early.
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...is really whatever "lies in the shadow of the statue."
Jacob may stay hidden since there appears to be two Island factions - the Statue Folk & Richard's group - who may be at odds. Perhaps what Locke thinks is the Island is actual something else using him to cut the head off their opponent. -
when the Incident happened. But, instead of dying, they were actually sent back to the future.
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When did he first show up on the island?
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May 06, 2009 10:00:51 PM CDT
Terry OQuinn did speculate that maybe the Island was the Devil
by d.vader
He thought that maybe the Island doesn't have everyone's best interests in mind. That maybe the Island is like the devil. That makes things interesting if true... That Locke is just one again being played.
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We know, for a fact, that someone, and I'm still going to say it was Jacob, said "Help Me" to Locke in that Cabin, and it wasn't Christian, and it wasn't Ben. So, I'm going to keep that in mind and say that perhaps the big twist is that Jacob wants to die. Perhaps with the island would die along with him, and thats why Ben/Richard keep him trapped within the "gray powder" shit we saw around the Cabin? I think that "Help Me" could mean he wants to die, and Locke is actually helping him. Maybe Richard and Locke etc are just trying to keep the Island alive and magical, at the expense of keeping Jacob prisoner..? Any one have thoughts on this? I think "Help Me" seems important now.
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...and the next post you're going to tell me the easter bunny doesnt exist.
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Good question on Mikhail. Does the Flame even exist in '77?
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John Locke. I can't explain how it will make sense, but LOST makes total sense to me (as it unfolds at least) and I feel like that's what's coming.
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Had been that Jack continues with Faraday's plan, and causes himself and some of the other to time travel again. They all end up in different time periods, perhaps on the freighter, during the statue building, creating Dharma...playing their roles to help end this stupid loop they're in. The argument against it is that it would take one hell of a long story and maybe a lot of special effects money to do all of that shit on screen!
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Yeah, that's a lot more important now. Hmmm...
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...and he's very evil and selfish too.
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It's where Sayid was taken when he was found by Radzinsky and Sawyer.
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It looked fine to me.
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didn't arrive until a few years before our Losties though I'm pretty sure. He said he was stationed somewhere throughout the cold war and stuff didn't he? I'd guess he came in the late 80's early 90's
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Yeah I recall that now. It's where the model of the Swan was. I can't wait until 3 hours of Lost next week. (Including recap hour)
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I think you might be on to something. I thought that possibly the castaways might somehow find themselves shifting through not only time but space. "Randomly" being transported to some point in their life, or a point in their lives in an alternate dimension (after landing safely in LA on 815.) Really anything could happen and that's what I love about LOST! That, and I am completely confident that we will be satisfied and blown away by the final season.
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wait...I'm a fucking moron. that was obviously when he was lying about being a Dharma person. Forget the dumbness of my previous post. I hope we see Mikhail again.
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and I'm too tired to do anything about it tonight! Think Locke is serious, or just messing with Ben's head? I'm sure he's serious. The island is talking to him now.
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...being advertised up top. Does anyone else see this.
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Good lord, time is going by fast.
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I honestly thought that being given explicit instructions by his dead daughter to follow John Locke he might finally fall in line. But no, apparently he will always be there to stir up shit. Also, I was thinking Richard was going to be a "good guy" and that he might not become a major player in the series until the VERY end, but apparently not there either.
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before they rest time
Kill her as many times as possible
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*reset time
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Radzinsky looks like Ryan Reynolds.
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That explains how Alpert was able to get into New Otherton so easily, saying "Your fence can't keep me out," or something to that regard. Minor mystery solved!
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I din't vote for the guy but I'm willing to give him 2 years before we start calling for his head.
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That's how Smokey travels throughout the Island! Its the Island catacombs! Another minor mystery solved!
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...I just saw that and was like huh...where the hell am I...
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He lied about being a remaining DHARMA person... but he was telling the truth about the Purge. Could he have been telling the truth about being DHARMA when he first arrived? Ben did say he wasn't the only one smart enough to stay alive during the purge...
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Well, maybe not the hole rape thing.Kate is getting to be so goddamned annoying, its like traveling thru time causes slight IQ loss.
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This creates an interesting debate, because my friend sides with Jack, thinking they should try and reset everything so it didnt happen. But I'm with Kate- do that and everyone loses the friendships earned over the years, the shots at redemption, the second chance. Kate was annoying, leaving and getting caught again, but in my opinion, she was right.
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May 06, 2009 10:28:42 PM CDT
More and more, I'm starting to suspect the Island is...
by hollywoodhellraiser
bad. Locke wanting to kill Jacob may or may not incdicate he suspects the smae thing.Love Sawyer good riddance to the Island, ou could tell he was glad to be leaving.And for chrissake can Kate quit interrupting Sawyer/Juliet! Its like she wants to destroyed their relationship or something.BTW, Jack you have a H-Bomb what the hell are you going to do with it now?
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C'mon don't hate on Kate. I will admit she's a triflin' ass ho, but she is still hot and still has a part to play. She has a (slightly) down to Earth perspective. I loved her line "When did shooting kids, and blowing up hydrogen bombs become OK?" Right on Kate.
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...Jack and Kate found in the cave might go along with my theory, most have always thought they were LOSTIES...even before anyone saw time travel on the show. Would be cool if it did happen, and everyone who died in the past actually left a little clue that Jack can put together and end this in a positive way. Only some would be able to survive, and it would be a sacrifice for them to either change things forever, or at least get whoever is left back to the future. This show has so many twists, who really knows? That's why I like it, keeps me guessing!:)
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Lost usually has their characters say the major questions/concerns that I think they would say, but really...wouldn't Kate be like "Jack, if it works, I'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison. I'd rather be here than in jail for life. Thanks." I just really think she would say something about her status on 815.
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That is exactly what I thought. Makes much more sense than Richard/Ben making Jacob up. Jacob still could be Locke, not sure which way I roll on that. But you posted exactly what I was gonna post. Not sure of the Jacob dies Island dies part though.
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We are at a point when pretty much anyone's idea on what to do is up for question.As far as Kate's "When did shooting kids, and blowing up hydrogen bombs become OK?" question, I would'a responded."When you start traveling through fucking time."
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Every five minutes of this ep! Fuck, I love this show!
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They were engaged and shit. He knows what's up, but Jack don't give no shit!
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is the one who had the most to lose by going back to the Island. She had to give up Aaron AND will probably be arrested for leaving the state. She also has the most to lose if they hit the reset button. She's screwed either way.
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I dont think anybody cares about selfish kate any more. she can spend life in prison for all i care. I just at least think she would mention it to Jack as a reason not to do it.
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Locke has blue eyes.
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...yeaaaa...that's gotta be it....
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belongs on the island? I've always thought that that may be a large part of the whole thing. Certain people deserve/are allowed/belong on the island and some are not. I first thought about that when they first started talking about "lists" but now I am thinking that that is not right. More likely, EVERYONE has a part to play. Take Michael, "The island won't let you." Then, Christian S.: "You can go now." Also, Desmond. Old Eloise: "The island isn't done with you."
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Can't believe no one has typed it yet..
Schrödinger's cat!
*"and We'll bet the Cowboys in the '78 Super Bowl...we'll be rich." (got serious Final Countdown juju on that one)
*"itsa 12 foot long, 40,000 pound Hydrogen bomb..No, not through the pool"
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would almost be sadder than all the things that have happened to them. I'd like to see Boone and Shannen and Michael and Libby and Ana Lucia and Eko and the rest of them alive again. But it's not just Kate going to jail. Locke in a wheelchair. Charlie on drugs. Rose with Cancer. Sun planning to leave Jin. And Desmond still down in that hatch pushing that friggin button? That's too sad to contemplate. It can't end like that.
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That would be sad. I think that just might be the setup for season 6. They do land but somehow still find themselves coming together in a different way. Jack could get curious about what exactly his daddio was doing in Australia, investigate, come across Claire, Ana Lucia, it's a guess. I don't know, but then he did tell the Oceanic airline worker "I need this to be over" so maybe he wouldn't get curious, but maybe what he needed to be over was his entire crappy life and he got his wish landing on that crazy fuckin' island. I would still totally go there, even if I had to deal with mysterious Others, smoke monsters, and time shifting. That shit is sick.
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May 06, 2009 10:55:27 PM CDT
So how did they get that hydrogen bomb down there...
by drbrianoblivion
...and how do they plan on getting it back up. Would they get smokie to help them with the heavy lifting, because it doesn't look like they have the sort of equipment that the Darma are able to utilize.
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May 06, 2009 10:57:20 PM CDT
@DrBrianOblivion..Damn you to hell! Spoilers and Xmas presents..
by macfaux
Ok. Ok. Guilty. Had to know..could not wait to know...
Xmas presents..not spoilers. Got to the point that Mum would pile furniture and bean bags in the hallway to prevent early investigation...the only hallway out of the house from my room. Fire hazard? Absolutely..ah, different time..before the rise of the Nanny state...you made me snort my Jack Daniels through my nose. Cheers.
Funny thought...
Can anyone here fix a computer? Sayid can.
Can anyone here shoot a child? Sayid can.
Can anyone here detonate an Hydrogen bomb?
brilliant!
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2004/season 4 finale: Kate and sayid help Richard free ben. If Richard expirenxes time in a linear fashion and he remembers them dying in 77 how does this work?
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May 06, 2009 10:59:31 PM CDT
My theory as to who Jacob is...sorry if I spoil everything for y
by ataxianthemagnificent
Locke is Jacob.
I've thought this for quite some time and tonights episode pretty much sealed the deal in my mind.
To reveal that any earlier in the present-losties timeline would've caused a massive WTF panic and send the individuals involved out of sync with their expected results. (I believe that the show is a massive loop and will end with the plane crashing in the series finale.)
Locke is headed off to kill himself because that's what the Island needs, his first death wasn't the death spoken about, it's his second one. He was approached by himself (aka Jacob) and that's what he means by "The Island told me" when Ben asked how he knew when he would arrive at the plane. That's also how he can be so confident that Ben has never met Jacob because if he had he would be reacting completely differently. (It's also why smokey-Alex told Ben to follow him, because he's Jacob.) By leading ALL of his people to "Jacobs" cabin and them watching him kill his other-self they will NEVER doubt his leadership ever again.
Of course this all requires John going even farther back in time but given the energy relase with the upcoming "incident" I don't see why that won't be able happen.
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So I think they just used slave labor and pulled the bomb down there. However, those tunnels ARE how Smokey gets around the Island... so maybe he did help a bit.
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everything about her is selfish
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everything about her is selfish
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Yeah, I think that more time shiting will occur. Something that will make it OK that 2007 Locke dosen't know he is Jacob. Maybe he gave Richard instructions about when or if to ever reveal Jacob. I don't thinking he is knowingly marching a group to watch him commit suicide.
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May 06, 2009 11:07:59 PM CDT
Oh he absolutely knows he's Jacob right now...
by ataxianthemagnificent
Hence the look he gave Ben when he so confidently says he thinks he's never seen Jacob.
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I think similar to what happened with Desmond when he awoke from his dream with a new memory implanted... perhaps that's what happened with Richard (unless he's lying about 1977).
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He just knows that Ben is full of shit. The island talks to John Locke, and it never talked to Ben. Locke knows that now. He thinks that Ben was "talking" to the island through Jacob, and so Jacob is either made-up (whcih I think IS what he thinks so he tells Ben he wants to kill Jacob just to fuck with him. Maybe Locke has finally learned not to say shit to Ben) OR Locke thinks that Jacob is bad and not looking out for the best interests of the island.
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Hell yeah! Tonight's episode rocked! I've been loving this season through and through... I have no clue who Jacob is! He could be Daniel Faraday for all I care because the ride has been worth it. Hat's off to the show's creative team!
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with kung-fu grip
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An omnipotent, invisible being with some vague circumstantial evidence of his existence but basically his followers (the Others/Hostiles) take his existence on faith. I bet when ABC executives asked for a show that was basically a SURVIVOR/CASTAWAY knock-off, they never imagined that it would one day end with a character announcing he was going to kill God. Man, I love this show.
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How does that move the story forward? What questions would that answer? How are Christian and Claire and Hugo being around or in or finding the cabin connected to Locke being Jacob? I think you guys just WANT one of the regulars to be Jacob the same way you want two of the regulars to be Adam and Eve. You never ask why or how your theories SERVE the STORY beyond some Aha Gotcha! moment. I'm not disputing your theories. I just don't get how they would be a satisfying reveal. So Richard's never seen Jacob either? Or he's always known Locke was Jacob? That would piss off more people than it would please. I almost don't care who Jacob is at this point. ALMOST! :^)
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...like a man with a big secret. But when could he have discovered that Jacob is himself. Before he died, when he was lying with the broken leg, he seemed like a lost man. It's only recently that he's had this weird attitude.
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Each week I comb through here and forward the best theory on to my non-talkbacker friends. Your "Help me" post was brilliant. I hope you're right!
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Don't forget why Kate got on the plane. She's trying to get Claire. Sure, time is screwed up, but it's hard to see how blowing up the island with a hydrogen bomb is going to get her to her goal. (And since she has been the surrogate mother to a new child, she can't be to happy about time resetting either.)
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Or so says Ben and Widmore. I think he totally is being played. But I think he also has a purpose unbeknowst to either of them or anyone that thinks they understand the island. Also, I feel like Jacob HAS to be a regular because who else are we going to care about at the end of the series? I don't know, but I think it would be more unsatisfying if they said "Oh, Jacob is THIS guy!" It would move the story forward because it could complete Locke as a character. He crashed on an island and was miraculously healed. He was so thankful he devoted himself to the island discovering more and more about it as he went along (just like us!) and in the end he finds that he is actually dealing with an island that transcends time and space and must be protected from those that would exploit or corrupt it. Maybe that just makes him as "evil" as Ben or Widmore but maybe not.
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I think it's where LOST is headed...
Hans Gruber....he was built up as this super Euro terrorist (Asian Dawn?) the whole movie...But in the end...
Holly Gennero/McClane: After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common thief.
Hans Gruber: I am an exceptional thief, Mrs. McClane. And since I'm moving up to kidnapping, you should be more polite.
Anybody else think Richard & Ben are 'exceptional thieves', too? Well...ben's an excellent kidnapper...at least we can agree on that. Well...Locke's about to pull the emperor's pants down. Good for him. Hope he remembers to tape a gun to his back.
Kate's selfish? Um...She's the ONLY one who went back to HELP her friends...Jack & Sayid ran away...Miles, Hugo & Jin running away....Kate was the only one walking BACK into the Wrath of Radzinski. That's anything BUT selfish. Please...find something else to pick on Kate about...cuz that one ain't it. Call her a LIAR...you'd be on better footing. She told Jack she'd ALWAYS have his 'back'. Hmmmm, I guess up until Jack got "Jughead happy". But forgive me for agreeing with her that erasing her and Jack's 3 year 'relationship', both the good AND bad times, is something she might not be so hasty to part with.
I brought this up a couple TB's back...But...our LOSTIES are gonna start choosing sides...just like they did back in Season 4...some went with Locke...some went with Locke...Kate picked Jack because she felt Locke was a crazy loon. Well, now, JACK is acting 'destiny' crazy...so I'm not surprised Kate took a walk...at least the girl's consistant on her "I don't follow crazy people" stance. But...the simple fact remains....Kate hasn't found HER purpose...she doesn't SEE her 'destiny' yet...the island hasn't SHOWN her why she is there. Some might say she was there to 'save' Ben...but I don't think that's all there is to her coming back. Be patient. They WANT you to hate her right now. But...Her TRUE purpose is coming. The island is leading Kate where she needs to be. Won't it be ironic when she tells her 'former love' that Jack's on a mission to STOP 815 from crashing...which means Jim LaFleur will never get to meet a certain fertility doctor and fall in love. Something tells me the CGI Galaga is gonna be making one heck of a U-Turn. (BTW...The CGI on the SUB was fine...it was the WATER they didn't get quite right. Somebody upstream was correct...it didn't look fake until it passed the camera and headed out to sea while diving. I would have cut from that shot Before it passed the camera).
Wow...Long paragraph...think I'll shut up for a sec and let all that stuff settle...But I have TONS more thoughts on "Follow The Leader"...like...I completely agree that Sun's question to John during his monologing to the Others fell flat. That should have been a private question to John once he finished. But that was the ONLY flat moment of the episode for me. It fuckin rocked.
Hans Gruber: "And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer." -
Well he has been acting very strangely for a while now. Remember when Sun and Ben had the "dead is dead" conversation and he just randomly pranced off into woods for who knows what reason?
I believe he's met himself (Jacob) after the second crash and that's why he's so hopped up on having a purpose now. Everything finally makes sense to him, atleast in his own life...sure there's mysteries on the Island he probably doesn't understand quite yet but wouldn't it be nice to know that you're going to be in the place you love for the rest of your life living out your greatest desires?
He finally understands that he must die for the Island, albeit way the hell in the "future" when he will be killed by his (now present) younger-self. As to when he met Jacob, I don't know, but it's not unlike the writers of LOST to throw in flashbacks or previously unseen moments in recent history...*rolls eyes* -
I mean that there is no Jacob! There is no man behind the curtain! That is what Richard Alpert is afraid of revealing to the other Others. He isn't worried about Locke killing Jacob literally--he's worried about him killing the IDEA of Jacob.
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Some went with the OTHER Locke...the one with the bullet in his leg!! Lol!! I meant Jack!!
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True story about previously unseen moments. Yeah, either way whether he knows it "now" or not I think Locke is Jacob.
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I didn't even realize it was CG until it passed the camera.
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It was dumb to have it be this big moment in front of everyone. Def should have been in private. Its the only stain on an otherwise awesome episode.
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He's like Richard. He's been around for a long time. He's been waiting. Assuming Jacob is Locke, is like assuming Sawyer is Jack. Jacob is real, and I would imagine he's pissed. While the island is pissed at him. THERE'S A RUCKUS ABOUT TO HAPPEN!
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...locke having a conversation with an older version of himself. But then again when we caught that glimpse of Jacob in the cabin didnt he have long hair and a beard. Does being on the island also allow you to grow hair when you previously had none.
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http://ncjl.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/locke-jacob.jpg
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Ben is getting fucked with by Locke? Ben has never been one to trust and Locke knows this, so he tells him some shit that makes him go "What the fuck?".Of course, the fact is no one knows for sure what the hell is going to happen, at least what's going to go on next season.I just don't see how Locke being Jacob makes much sense, since the 'island' has powers that enable it to stop bullets from firing over thousands of miles away... then again wasn't Jacob supposed to be sacraficed in the Bible, but God stopped it at the last second.I need a drink.
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Could Kate possibly have the worst timing in television history?
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Hans Gruber: "And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer."
One of me all time favorite scenes..sniff.Now how, meine braun cow..how incredible would it be if TPTB got Alan Rickman to play Jacob?!?
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Fuck it either way... btw I'm watching the Burrowers right now and it features a bad-guy Horace and a good-guy Ethan.
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Though I dunno if he's good or bad.
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"Son of a bitch, looks that three-way I wanted is going to possible afterall."
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I'm only 45 minutes in, do I don't know.
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Do I, actually begs the question.
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she tosses her hair, and runs back to Sawyer to make her feel better.
No matter what price Sawyer and Juliet will pay. Just as long as kate feels better about herself.
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God said to Abraham (and Johny Cash sang of it) kill me a son..and that was and Isaac..at the last moment, having tested Abraham's faith, God intervened..somewhat cheeky, eh?...that is who you conjureJacob was the son of Isaac and Rebecca...he was the third Biblical patriarch and ancestor of the twelve tribes of Israel; thus named after his twelve sons.
"As a result of a severe famine in Canaan, Jacob resettled his whole family in Egypt, in the Land of Goshen, at the time when his son Joseph was viceroy. Jacob died there 17 years later, and Joseph carried Jacob's remains to the land of Canaan, where he gave them stately burial in the same Cave of Machpelah as were buried Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Rebecca and Jacob's wife Leah"
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Kate's the ONLY one lookin out for El Numero Uno on the island? C'mon.
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yes she is
Of the losties -
Fess Up. You've had a flighty "Freckles" in your life haven't you? I Feel Your Pain. It made you wanna drink too much & grow a beard & jump off a bridge. Don't take it out on our Lil' Evie. She just does what the script tells her to do.
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Seriously. For the love of Jacob.
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...but It was Dylan who wrote that song...Highway 61. I dont know much cash and he probably ended up sining it too, so disregard if i'm misinformed.
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Tonight made me even more suspicious that there is no Jacob. Richard seemed all nervous and was getting friendly with Ben again when Locke demands to see Jacob. He wanted to talk to Locke first--maybe to explain that Jacob is just a character that's been invented to give them authority and control over people--after all, how many people have killed because someone told them God wants them to? Then again, Locke could be the person he saw in the cabin. When he saw "Jacob" in the cabin, lots of people thought that was a close up of Locke's face we saw. Could be that after Locke's behavior tonight, Ben and Richard imprison Locke in the cabin, floating through time and Locke was asking his younger self to help him. And if there is a Jacob, is he for the island or just a Ben like guy who knows a lot of secrets and craves power and control?
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I dig it. +2 for you.
1)Knowledge of the Sex Pistols..well done! (what I could tell you of Malcolm McLaren and Catherine Deneuve..woooot!)
and B) "Sayid's Just Gonna Keep Shooting People until he runs out of people to shoot"...poetry..or song..I dunno know. But, and, Top shelf!
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WTF...He slaps Sawyer around...and heck...who hasn't? But...
PHIL BITCH SLAPPED JULIET! A GIRL!! Why is no one callin PHIL a DOUCHE?
That whole scene was kinda dopey, now that I think about it...especially after you've watched Jack Bauer 'interrogate' some mutha fuckas on 24. I kept waiting for someone to at LEAST put a GUN to someone's head in there...
But...Bitch slappin? LOL! Sawyer survived a Sayid 'torture' session...from a "Gen-You-Ine Iraqi"!! I think Radz & Fuckhead Phil don't have the stomach for what was going down! Why didn't they go get Tee Pee Oldham in there...with his magical truth serum? Perhaps he doesn't make Hatch Calls. -
...is awesome. I'm actually starting to think that anyone who can release 53 albums must be jacob.
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Battlestar Galactica. Watchmen. LOST would give him the trifecta! And doesn't "All Along the Watchtower" apply just as easily to the Island? "There must be some way out of here, said the Joker to the Thief. There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief..."
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really tiny intestines
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It bothers me that Jack, Faraday, Kate, and everyone who knows about the bomb have not considered the real possibility that the island is destined to absorb the atomic blast, and convert it into the "release" that eventually necessitates the Swan / hatch/ button-pushing. I don't care if that ends up to be true or not; but that the characters have not even considered the possibility is very bothersome. Also, I hate the stupid crew workers on "Lost" who spoiled the big reveal at the end of the season. End of line.
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"But you and I we've been through that. And this is not our fate. So let us not talk falsely now. The hour is getting late...."
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I just like any song better that is/was covered by Johnny Cash..I'm funny and foolish and sad that way..
"Now the roving gambler he was very bored...
Trying to create a next world war.."
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Remember the spoiler rumors about someone seeing "Jack, a blonde lady, and someone else inside the temple" and "they had to go under a waterfall to get there"... that was tonight, folks. The blonde lady wasn't Claire like the person speculated, it was Eloise Hawking. Damn. I want to see the Temple!
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...I mean, he's pretty much the "Duckie" of LOST. He saves pretty much everyone's lives at least twice each, he keeps Kate's secrets, he goes BACK to the island because he thinks people are in trouble ...and what does he get for it? EVERYONE shitting on him! I really hope the writers aren't trying a reversal where they make Locke the hero of the series and Jack the villian. Like one of those "Oh, Jack was portrayed as the hero from the beginning, but he really wasn't!" Maybe they're making Kate out to be a horrible person. She tried being a good person: Trying to kiss Jack and take care of Aaron. But, ultimately she can't be good. And that might mean bringing down Swayer and Jack and everyone else around her. But, honestly, if the writers aren't trying to make Jack a villain, they're really doing a bad job about it.
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...Plowmen dig my earth. If that isnt the Island/Jacob talking about Widmore and the DI then I don't know.
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that he will sacrifice anyone as long as he doesn't have to go back in the chair
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WOOF WOOF
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"Help me" when Ben took Locke to Jacob's cabin. Now Locke wants to kill Jacob... hmmm...
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"PHIL is a DOUCHE"..have thought so since he was Piven's sycophantic fool in that modern American film classic...
'Old School'
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I saw it as a joke in a way, remember in the first season he was tortured by a trained Iraqi soldier, and then some dudes think they are hot shit and just start smackin' people to get answers....I just expected him to look at 'em all bloody and say "I've had worse done to me by better people." and then spit out some blood.Or at least something like that, and I know it is somewhat cheesy.
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One of the biggest mysteries for me is--exactly what the hell is the group known as the Others? They obviously aren't all island natives that have been there forever. Maybe none of them are--we've seen how Ben, Juliet and I think some others got there. So do they have some grand noble purpose, or are they just people who found what they think is paradise and don't want anyone else at their party? I hate the idea that they and/or Locke are going to turn out to be the ones in the right after all the stuff they've done. They lie, kidnap, murder and generally make life miserable for anyone they come across because the island or Jacob tells them to. Or worse, because Ben or someone else says the island told them to. If they are all justified in the end, won't that be like the show saying that all religious fanatics, witch burners, terrorists--anyone who's ever killed because they "knew" what God wanted--might be justified? It probably wouldn't make as good an ending, but it would be kind of cool to reveal that there is no "will of the island"--it's just a power mad time traveler who's been back and forth in time and has the knowledge to make himself appear all knowing/powerful. In the end, Locke, Ben, and co. would have to admit they've been killing in the name of a false god and be punished for their crimes.
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going to screw things up big time in the season finale. Neither one of them is the hero or the villain. They're just men who make mistakes. They're about to make another BIG ONE.
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This season has been weak, but the last few episodes have been back to form... i can't believe a show thats been on this long and has been an exceptional comedy doesn't get a talkback for the SERIES fucking finale...
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I agree about Jack. Lots of people hate him, but for the entire series, he's always done what he thought would help his fellow survivors--and unlike Locke his actions are based on common sense and logic and not mystical thinking. Sure, he's screwed up a couple of times (leading Kate, Sawyer, etc. into what he knew was probably a trap in season 2 without telling them, for example), but mostly he's done what anyone else would do in that a given situation.
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another fine example that herc is completely out of touch with television...
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Might explain why Hawking told Penny that, for the first time, she didn't know what would happen.
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I thought it said Scrubs was only having a season finale, but I only got to catch the last 5 minutes and it seemed pretty sad.
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If Jack does change things, the plane lands in LA, Kate ends up in jail. Why would she want that? She doesn't, so she goes against Jack.
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Im watching the finale of Scrubs right now! I love and Scrubs and thinnk it will be back for at least one more subpar season. Notice in the advertisements it never said either Series or Season finale because they're still negotiating. Last I heard (in EW) Zach Braff has said he would return at least IN PART for another season and ABC makes about a million bucks per episode due to syndication. (Seriously Scrubs is on like 14 times a day.)
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I think no matter HOW big they fuck things up...
the universe still has a way of 'course correcting'.
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The polar bears towed Jughead.
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I think LOST enjoys portraying people a certain way, then turning that on it's head, where you basically turn against that person, then their true motives come out, and they're redeemed in your eyes. They did it with Locke between season 3 and 4(although looks like they might flip that over again), they did it with Kate in season 5, and I think they're doing it with Jack. The fact that near the end of season 5 it seems everyone is against him means that by the end of season 6 everyone will be for him. Know what I mean?
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If you dislike Kate does that make you a Juliet man? Is this one of those Ginger vs Mary Ann things? Jeannie or Samantha? Betty or Veronica?
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must be with the Temple Others then?
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glad to hear that people respect scrubs... and i'm very glad to hear i'm not the only one who was sad. there were some emotional moments that have been slowly building up for the last like ten years.
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Pretty sure it was only a season finale. I don't think ABC would take Scrubs for just one measly season. Is it possible that Zach Braff left the show? Maybe they're taking Scrubs to a whole different hospital with J.D.
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Jessie Spanno or Kelly Kapowski?
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"Who's the president of the united states?" "Okay, you got me, we're from the future."Remember when they started time slipping and Hurley said they could never get away with posing as if they were from any certain past era? He asked "what if they ask us who the president is and stuff?" and was assured that would never happen. So of course, weeks later, it does. That's why timing is the key to
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unfortunately its more likely the show starts to center more around the new interns... there were ALOT of episodes this season that didn't have all the main characters in it... but after those final five minutes of the show, i naturally assumed it was the series finale... and if it was, it was a good one.
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for or against Jacob? for or against the Island? What's Claire's position? Did Desmond see Claire get on a helicopter and leave because that's one of the final scenes from the series?
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comedy
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that this episode kicked 30 DIFFERENT KINDS OF ASS!????
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Flushed my drugs down the toilet, made me shave off my nasty beard, then threw me over the balcony screaming "WE HAVE TO GO BACKKKKK TO THE ISLAND!!!!!!!" Fuck yeah I'm leaving this talkback to go watch the episode AGAIN!
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What's the fuckin janitor's name?
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In Daniel's last scene prior to death, I think he explained ow things really work in this time travel world. I think Jack and Kate (and th erest) can change the past. They are free to move around as their present selves and do wat they will. However, there are going to be certain factors (i.e. Eloise and Charles) pushing them in the direction of the journal. That journal is their guide to the future and if they just get it right now, they have 30 years of foreknowledge at their fingertips.
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face of the smoke monster in this season's finale. Is it the same face as on the statue? Is it Locke's face? Is he the ultimate narcissist? "I saw the face of the island, and it was beautiful". Whereas, Eko saw the smoke monster, and said it was "death" and "the devil". Interesting
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I agree and I think Braff has the most to gain in going to other places, so I see the show going on to feature the other characters more, but have Braff come on for a few shows.And, someone shouted that it was a "Season rap" (I think) at the end.
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timing, Nappy.
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And the whole cast wakes up as shipmates on the Black Rock! Muahahahahahahahahaha!
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...but i got the feeling that he gives different names to different people.
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it was an old much used joke, but it always works.And since Locke was my favorite character before Ben Linus came along, I was glad to see him smilin', cool and confident again for a change..., even if he may be out of his greakin' mind.
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He's probably never told anyone a sacred heart his real name.
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Just go to IMDB and look up the guy who played the cop who got shot in the subway on the Fugitive... obvious.
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JACOB! :P
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Just finished tonights ep. Yeah, we may see another season centered around the interns, which I wouldn't hate because I've thought that this season is great and much closer to the quality of the first 2, maybe 3 seasons, and the interns are a big part of that. But tonight's episode was really good and would make for a terrific series finale, so much so that I re-HE-HE-HE-lly is.
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hope it is.
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May 07, 2009 1:22:18 AM CDT
[Spoilery]Chekhov, the Gun, the Bomb....and importantly the Plan
by macfaux
"One must not put a loaded rifle on the stage if no one is thinking of firing it."
Not to too much more honk me own horn...again. But as I typed, a long time ago, in a talk back far far away..here..that A) there would and or should be hydrogen bombs..and then when the big bang boom WAS/became revealed..mused, that said thing, would be used..and 2) should you have the means and the opportunity to read back a year..know that I called the whole Sawyer and the out the Chopper he goes gambit before the fun.. simply gleaned off the promo for the S4 finale..So, should you care. Know. I proffer this to be about that ..and remembered.
..As to A) Señor Hurley bought 78 seats on Ajira 316..never featured that it was only and primarily about savin average folk from a fate on the Island.. Howse about that somehow Hurley knew/knows..those seats will be needed. Cause, mi freunds, that beautimous 737-700er is on the ground and intact. 737-700..800, hmm, whatever it takes..and that bit is not so important, as the TPTB booted that bit of writin anyway as the range to Guam from LAX is over 5200 nm and no 737 a wing and about and stripped down and with extra fuel tanks has any range more than 5500 nm or an ETOPS (Engines Turnin Or Passengers Swimmin) of more than 180 mins..which means no Trans-Pacific flights..which means...I rambley digress..The 737-700 has 126 pax seats in 2 class config (which it was)..and Hurley bought 78 empty seats. How many passengers would thus be on A316? 48. How many flashed off to '77? 4. Leaving 44 excluding Lapidus and Locke, da? How many survivors of 815? yep..and how many from the tail section joined up? yep. How many pilots lived..and then died? yep. How many re-animated corpses? yep. So, fate or the other thing? hmmmmm. And all that is just Doc numbery fun stuff. Cause the point is..AT some point..in the near future episodes..people are going to turn that plane to, load up, and fly high like an eagle off the Island..in the nick of ..well, time. just sayin.
As to 2)..can't do it..I see what is comin, just off the promo..again..for the finale.. I think..but it just to altogether spoilery and ruinous. I can't say.
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baddie on that show, and Hurley reading the script and freaking out. The main good guy was the main baddie of the entire show. Locke? Jack?? Kinda puts the Temple Others rumor into a new light. Oh, and btw, what lies in the shadow of the statue? The Shade.
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and so did we. He's not made-up by Ben and Richard. Comeon guys. You need to do a little more homework than this.
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Knows what happens with the bomb, she was there.She wanted Jack to go back to the island, so whatever he does is important to everyone. Remember, she was there.She lived though it.
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We/Locke heard (like whispers in the jungle) but I don't think SAW jacob ever. When, if you disagree?
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...now i dont know if its spoilery or not. Im anti spoilers and it didnt really come off as a spoiler to me, but I think some people could take it that way. someone has the original image of jacob from the show and then they take a face from a character and shadow it in a similar manner and its quite striking. So View it at your own risk. http://ncjl.files.wordpress.co m/2008/07/locke-jacob.jpg
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It's got to be someone we already know. He's going to kill Jack, Alpert, or Widemore.
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I couldn't bring up the link, but I want to see what you're talking about. What episode was this in?
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http://tinyurl.com/c4wj5h
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In that image it totally looks like Locke, and that only supports the theory that Locke is Jacob, right?
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Does "our Locke" (2007 "present-day") already know he's Jacob?
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... Me myself I have no idea. Im just trying to figure it out like everyone.
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But I think that's a reveal-to-come. But it is weird that Locke suddenly "knows" a lot more about the island, then again he was dead and now lives again.
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I mean, "current" Locke dosen't know yet he's Jacob.
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...it seems like just recently he's had this really strange attitude. Like this really peaceful smile. Also, someone recalled that there was a scene earlier where he sort of dissapeared into the jungle and maybe it was then that he met his future self.
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...im really bad at specific episode recall so I dont remember which one.
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but I think that's a scene we will see happen when it happens. If anyone is going to interact with themselves from another time (Dimension?) it will be Locke and it will be a cliffhanger type situation, not an expositionary flashback.
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I'm not trying to be a total jerk here, but really, seriously, if you're in this talkback trying to present yourself as a big fan, and knowledgable, please, for FUCKS SAKE, ditch the "we've never seen Jacob yet, if he even exists" crap, please, alright? If you need some assistance, here's a full page all about him, complete with the screenshot of Jacob taken DIRECTLY from the season 3 episode "the man behind the curtain" which is now almost 3 years old. Yes, thats right: If you're in here trying to convince people that Jacob is made up by Richard and Ben, and no one saw him, including Locke, GTFO. Sorry.
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May 07, 2009 2:12:15 AM CDT
When Locke told everyone that they were all going to see Jacob
by paburrows
it reminded me of season 3 when Locke told the castaways that they were all invited to go to the question mark with him.
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What's that page?
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http://tinyurl.com/d3zbuk
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http://tinyurl.com/toldyas
to make the point made above...yeah.
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on the "they have never seen Jacob" front is because they haven't. Locke is the only person who has ever seen Jacob. Hurley may have seen his eye in the window of the Cabin ("The Beginning of the End" in season 3), unless that was Christian or Locke. (Some say it even kinda looks like Desmond's eye).
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And don't get me wrong, I really appreciated the report above about Carlton, sounded like it was awesome. But check this out: http://tinyurl.com/ck6snl The fact is that a propmaster was the actor with the beard and long hair in the piratey (1800s?) garb (kinda also looks like Others garb) sitting in the rocking chair. The voice is Carlton Cuse's slowed-down and deepened. They hadn't cast an actor for Jacob at that point. But I really do think Locke saw what we saw when he flashed the flashlight on the rocking chair when the room was shaking.
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or what dude?
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And you'll find out soon enough. The spoiler-hounds know what I'm referring to. Now after this kickass episode I'm going to watch Kimmel to see if they do any LOST viral stuff. I bet he inserts himself into the scene between Hurley and Chang
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...we haven't even seen yet?
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So maybe we have seen Jacob, or maybe we have just seen specific characters seeing their interpretation of Jacob. Locke did not see what Ben was seeing (in the cabin) and Ben did not hear what Locke heard (in the same situation.) I think the island shows certain things to certain people for the ultimate purpose that what they are "seeing" is what is needed to get them to a certain place, or ultimate goal. Like the Oracle in the Matrix.
I love to speculate, but I really don't think the answers are lying in pages of the internet or obsessive scrutiny of frames. Not that that is not fun. I love it as much as anyone, but in the end none of us will be able to guess what, or at least HOW it's going to make sense. -
You saw the show live on TV without a DVR and its 3 years later and you just NOW found out that there was an actual person/actor sitting in that rocking chair, period. Way to catch up with the rest of us. I (among others) have been telling people that Jacob = Magnus Hanso, the captain of the Black Rock ship. Why? Because he looks exactly like what you'd expect an 1800s ship captain to look and dress like, based on those "few frames" you seem to think are pointless and weren't aware of until about 5 minutes ago. Jacob also has an aversion to "technology" and freaked out when Locke flashed his modern 2004 flashlight on him, which, I think, an 1800s person would do when confronted with electricity. As far as you catching up, that's ok though dude. Just, own up to that. You don't need to conceal it with the "the answers are found within your own heart and not inside picture frames" mumbo-jumbo stuff. Comeon :)
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The first time we saw him was was shot in the perspective of Locke. When the cabin went to shit, visual vocabulary dictates that the cut from the man to Locke's expression that it was his perspective. The second time we supposedly saw Jacob was when Hurley sees an eye through a broken window (which didn't seem like the wrinkled bags of an old man, but more like Desmond's eye). Jacob is definitely real and probably NOT one of the castways that we already know. We do know that the only people that have shown up in the cabin are part of the Shephard lineage, which makes me believe that Jack's family is important to the island (Jacob Shephard?). I think season 6 will explain how Jacob is instrinsically linked with every castaway we have met so far, either through time travel, blood relations, etc.
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going to be hard. I need you to find the island, turn the frozen donkey wheel, and go back to the Carlton Cuse presentation and re-watch the episode again, only this time, when Locke says "Neither Ben nor Richard has ever seen Jacob!!" you will be re-interpreting the scene and tell yourself "but Locke has!". Oh.. and while you're there, get the number of that hot chick who was sitting at the end of the aisle who you couldn't talk to because your girlfriend was sitting next to you. Get me her number.. I think she's my Constant. And if Hawking tries to Cockblock me like she did Desmond with that ring, I'll just sick Charles on her.
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What was Ben experiencing in the cabin when Locke saw Jacob? Was he pretending?
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would interpret the island "Jacob" vision as being a long-haired bearded Pirate-ish type guy? ...I don't get it. I'm not endorsing the "each person interprets the Jacob imagery differently" theory either, in saying that. I'm trying to understand it.
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And hey, if we saw what Locke saw, and that is really what was there, a brief, and dark image, what does he know? Unless Locke has, since being resurrected on the island after the second plane crash, seen Jacob again and was told things that made him smirk and grin for the rest of the season, how does Locke know anything more about Jacob than we do?
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If LOSTFAN108 was on fire across the street..I wouldn't..well, I would ..I would cross the street and poor a cup of your favorite random HFL on that wee bastard ..and then clear my Kimber ICQB over his bastard heady...
whoops..accidents. they do happen..
I keed..I would counsel the fool to not be a tool..maybe witness some such biblity things and ask..why did you ruin Season 3 for me and many folk?
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I think Ben can hear Jacob, but cannot see him. But Ben has fallen out of favor with Jacob, and can't always hear him. When Ben realized Locke HEARD Jacob (which apparently no one else has been able to do) he realized Locke was special and a threat, especially when Ben did NOT hear whatever Jacob said to Locke. When Ben shot Locke, BECAUSE Locke heard Jacob (it was the last straw in a line of threats for leadership and defiance from Locke) he demanded Locke tell him what Jacob said (because he didn't hear it). Jacob talking to Locke, without Ben hearing it, is like your ex-girlfriend whispering something in her new boyfriend's ear right in front of you, which INFURIATES you. You want to know what the hell she said! Ben never even knew that Locke SAW Jacob, though. All he knew was that Locke HEARD him. Ben isn't even aware that Hurley saw Jacob's eye in the Cabin window either. And Ben also doesn't know that Locke saw Christian Shepard in the cabin, and Claire, instead of Jacob. As far as Ben knows, Jacob told Locke to move the island, NOT Christian. And Locke didn't go out of his way to explain to Hurley or Ben that he actually talked to Christian instead of Jacob. Nor did Locke tell Ben or Hurley that Claire was in the cabin. Locke is a sneaky, deceitful bastard, but ya gotta love im!
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May pop up again this next week somewhere... everyone, lay low, guns cocked and loaded, sniper sights on.. infrared...
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Actually it might be as simple as "Help me!" being Jacob asking Locke to put him out of his (semi-immortal perhaps ?) misery, kill him then maybe take his place.
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I was about to start a response to your comments, but billboe is saying pretty much the same thing i would be... well, maybe not his grammar is way better.
Also, if i had money on it I'd be going with magnus hanso for jacob as well, or perhaps whatever hanso has turned into, jacob/smokie/whatever, can clearly change his appearance... which is fine by me but what i don't really get is why he would manifest as christian, i still don't get the connection. -
I think anyone that has any "contact" with Jacob wants to keep it, at least in part to themselves. I still feel like Locke is a "good guy" or at least is in some sort of honest communication with the island. Also, I think "the island" is different than "Jacob." The island did not write specific names on a list for Ben's people to abduct, a man did. Maybe a mysterious Jacob, or Ben/Richard themselves trying to keep people in line with the threat of a boogeyman. I think the island is (and always has been) communicationg with John Locke. Unfortunately, the people that were there before him (Ben/Widmore/Eloise) have "already" created, or at least subscribed to the God-like being of Jacob, so Locke has to sort of take them at their word, at least partially. Thus, he belives "currently" (2007) that there is someone named Jacob and he is going to confront him. But possibly (!), he will discover that there is no Jacob, that the island communicates with who it will for however long it decides for reasons unbeknownst to anyone, and in that event (while simultaeneously Jack is fucking with time/space in his own way, causing more time shifts) Locke decides to essentially become Jacob trying throughout the rest of time to get the pieces to fall into their proper places to finally bring some true harmony to the island, because after all that is what the mysterious, miraculously healing place should be: a calm and peaceful sanctuary. But fuck me right? Who knows?
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the series creators couldn't have anticipated this degree of fannish obsession, or of having fans and fan forums constantly clamoring for immediate answers to every detail of the story they intended to tell over a period of years.I wonder if that has someting to do with the fact that so many Lost characters, when they are confronted with a direct but misguided question, answer sarcastically.Ben, to Locke: "No, John, that's not the 'magic box'." Hurley, to Jack "Okay, well if he didn't make the island disappear, where did it go?"It was one thing when Miles was the new Sawyer, but these days it seems like everyone gets a turn at giving a smartass answer or two, even Dr. Chang.Richard, to Jack "It's a 12 foot 40,000 pound hydrogen bomb; we're not taking it through that tunnel."And not to say it detracts from the shows emphasis on characterization, but everyone on the show seems to have the same sense of humor where wise-cracks are concerned.
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To be played on the very last epi..the most magnificent finale di serie di LOST the Musical.Que Montage
Stuck inside these four walls,
sent inside forever,
Never seeing no one nice again like you, Mama you, mama you...
If I ever get out of here,
Thought of giving it all away
To a registered charity.
All I need is a pint a day
If I ever get out of here.
Well, the rain exploded with a mighty crash as we fell into the sun,
And the first one said to the second one there I hope you're having fun.
Band on the run, band on the run.
And the jailer man and sailor Sam were searching every one
For the band on the run,band on the run, For the band on the run, band on the run....
Well, the undertaker drew a heavy sigh seeing no one else had come,
And a bell was ringing in the village square for the rabbits on the run.
Band on the run, band on the run.
And the jailer man and sailor Sam, were searching every one
For the band on the run, band on the run, yeah, the band on the run, the band on the run, band on the runthe band on the run..
Well, the night was falling as the desert world began to settle down.
In the town they're searching for us every where, but twee never w ill be found.
Band on the run, band on the run..
And the county judge, who held a grudge..
Will search for evermore..
For the band on the run, the band on the run, band on the run, the band on the run..
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Facetious or not, it's an idea. Heroes had Sulu and Uhura, and reportedly Spock is going to turn up on Fringe: the only way to trump those guest shots would be with Kirk. Shat for the win.
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who else here thinks the series finale will be locke being woken up in LAX by a flight attendant and he says something like Locke:"I was just about to destroy the Dharma Initiative!!" flight attendant: "Whats the Dharma Initiative??"(BREAK FOURTH WALL, CREDITS)
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Producers have already said its not going to be a dream; this is all real and is really happening on the show
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I'm watching the episode right now and paused to say A) Richard, though not aged, has a completely different hairstyle and appearence than the Richard we've seen in season 5 just, months? maybe after his initial conversation with Ben, in which he's very intrigued by the fact that Ben has seen his mother who died off-island. And B) Ben (to Locke): "Jacob feels the same way about technology as you do." Alright, commence.
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But thats what they want us to think!!!!!! i'm just really tired and thought that ending would really suck
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(alpert gives locke compasswhat's this for?it points north i thought that was just so funny cuz thats what went through my head when locke asked that
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That ending can work and still not be a "it was all a dream" ending. Jack is trying to change things so that 815 never crashed. That is the ending that might happen if Jack is successful. Though, it won't be END CREDITs after that. They'll have a few shots establishing that it all happened, for real, but has now been undone.
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Forgot about me? I thought we had a dialogue going. No response?
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Darlton need to stop patting themselves on the back for knowing when to quit and not being greedy producers who milk a cow beyond dry. It's not a new concept and they're hardly alone. And the butt-kissing retard in the OSU audience about Lost holding some perpetual throne; give me a fucking break.You can also count me along with M_P; we lose Faraday but still have Kate? She wouldn't be missed. Enough with the love quadrangle. And for the record, put me down for Goth Claire.
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they make characters so they can later shit on them, classic Ed Woods move.
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*Locke wanders into the cabin, filled with smoke he struggles to see someone in the corner*
*A hefty figure leans into the light*
"DENNY. CRANE."
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but am still in LOST mode. I just rewatched "The man Behind the Curtain" and actually have the human Jacob paused on the TV before me. I don't know, it looks like an aged John Locke in shadow, or it looks like anybody else shrouded in darkness. I know LOST will make sense in the end, but I still say Locke is Jacob or at least (!) the island manifests itself in an appropriate form to suit whoever needs to see/hear/feel it at any particular moment, ultimately serving its own purposes. ANYHOO, I originally thought after my first viewing (and every subsequent one until now) that the person in the chair was Christian Shepard. I suppose now, having it paused and following the links generously provided by Dilldoe, excuse me BillboeFett, the shadowy figue does have more hair atop his head than Jack's daddy, and TOTALLY looks more like a "pirate(?)" or an elderly John Locke, than anything else, which only strengthens (in my mind at least, we're all just along for the ride, LOST is nothing more than what we make it) that Locke is Jacob. Like I've said I don't know how it will make sense (if I did I'd be writing this shit) but I feel like thats the direction the series is going. OK, thats it for me, its been fun talkbackers. PEACE!
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Got to Love Freckles Bauer she is the best
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for me, it will always be
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sorry if someone beat me to it but his name is Tom. right after JD left some other guy walked by and said "Hey Tom" and he said hi back.
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sorry for no shout out, dont remember whos name, was reading the whole tihng. Steve Young maybe? Anyway, I too am surpirsed none of our losties have realized, including Daniel, that most likely, their actions with the nuclear bomb will cause the incident at the swan, not stop it. I'm sure somewhere in their meddling to get the bomb into place they cause the inicident, not prevent it. because, lets be honest, a nuclear bomb is not going to be allowed to detonate on our beautiful island. It would make everythng too irrevocably bleak.
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I was pretty disappointed this WASN'T a Richard episode...
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He was in practically every scene. It was more a richard episode than anyone else, it just didnt deal with backstories the way typical "blank-centric episodes" do. I sort of had a feeling we weren't gonna learn about Mr. Alpert until some time next season. From the first time we ever saw him in the jungle with little Ben, the man has basically become THE mystery on the Island besides Jacob. He is intrigue personified. I think this is about as much Richard as we can hope for until the final hours.
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you know it to be true.
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Cuz the sailing of the raft is still one of my most favorite moments on lost... the music was epic!
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No, dude. The idea is that he gives a different "real name" to everyone, so we still don't know his name. And that's how it should be.
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Next week is two hours long and on the dvd will be split into two different episodes. The first one will be the penultimate episode.
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surely there has to be a reason for it to go back
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Hope we get to see them both in the season finale, though can't see Des making it back anytime soon
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and still stay connected
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Is Glenn Matthews...
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http://www.newsmakingnews.com/ramdaas7.8.00.htm
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I mean, of anyone, you could make a good argument that it was a Richard episode. But it wasn't in the traditional sense, and ultimately, it was one of Lost's "let's move all the chess pieces to their correct positions" episodes.
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My theory - Jack is Jacob.
Jack will somehow get them all back to 2007 only to be sent back far into the past by himself. He will spend his new existence as Jacob trying to undo all of the mistakes that were made (because Jacob picks the leader). Last scene of the show will be Jack alone on the Island when Richard comes crashing in on the pirate ship.
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Don't you find it interesting that Jacob want to keep Christian and Clair around. Again, Jack is Jacob.
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I know that people have complained that the losties never seem to ask many questions about what’s going on. Normally I expect more out of Sayid. He seems to always look for some logical explanation to what’s happening before acting, which is why I can’t understand why last night he didn’t say something like “Before we take another step, can someone explain to me how the hell this underground temple got here”
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...i.e. Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all find out that John Locke was once confined to a wheelchar and could walk again after crashing on the island. Seems like it would be a WTF moment for everybody and make them take a step back for once and say "Hey, what the fuck, what kinda place is this??"
But I doubt it'll ever happen - the one thing I don't like about Lost, much as I'm slaverin at the mouth to see each episode week after week, is that the characters are written *very* stupid.
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May 07, 2009 9:45:52 AM CDT
"Oh, so you fought in the Korean War?" "Uh, there'r no
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such thing?" That's one of the best lines ever...
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How are the characters stupid, because they aren't asking our questions, their perspective is different, Sun could care less about what Smokie is when she just really wants to be reunited with her husband
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Locke's desire to kill Jacob can be seen as two things: Either he's helping the Island by killing an enemy Or he's helping the Island by releasing a trapped Jacob. Now we know the Island has been talking to Locke, so its not a stretch to think this desire to kill Jacob is the Island's prompting, and we know Locke is also sorta in league with Smokey (I say this bc he's looked into Smokey's face and he was fine with taking Ben to Smokey- AND he knew where to go to do it). This leads me to believe that, regardless of whether or not Jacob and the Island are on the same side, we can conclude that Smokey is with the Island and not Jacob. If true, this would make things interesting regarding Christian Shepherd. This would mean all his appearances were due to Jacob and not Smokey.
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Also note that the Island told Locke where to take Ben in regards to being judged by Smokey. But the Island did NOT tell him where Jacob is- he had to ask Richard to lead him there.
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How do C&L find the right balance of giving us some answers but not removing all the mystery.
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Screw that I do want the questions answered, otherwise the show would be so fustrating and who would want to watch season 1-6 all over again.
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Then Charlie will come back to life too :-)
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I thought Ben said he was there to be Judged and Locke said he was going with him. Ben called Smokey. Am I wrong?
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And do you think the ending will be satisfactory if there are no mysteries. I too want answers but the closer we get to the end, the more I think about how they find a balance.
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It was the only thing about that ep that was lame (well, okay, the cast-off and repurposed Temple of Doom for the tunnels were a little sketchy, too). I mean, if that's the best CGI you can afford on a TV budget, just forget CGI and use stock footage of a submarine fer chrissakes!
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is 100% win. It works logically and in terms of story. Would love for things to end with Richard on the Black Pearl
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Screw Ballences, the show needs to have answers, looked at this Talkback and otherwebsites who want to know the answers.
It would be a cheap way to end a 6 season series.>Br>
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This is a totally late response but I think where you fall in the Jack and Kate debate depends on if you'd like to go back and undo parts of your own life. Just my 2 cents. :) I'm with Jack. I personally would like to go back to 1993. lol
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I think a lot of people are already a little pissed that they're not going to get Libby answers. So at the rate they're going I think they're going to leave a lot unanswered and a lot of cranky fans.
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The thing I keep coming back to is Christian and Claire. Why them? Only thing I can think of is that Jack is Jacob and wants the family around.
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yeah right
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Very much depends on where you are now in life. Jack probably wouldn't take the plunge if he was happily married with Kate and had a kid , then he wouldn't be mentioning all those people they lost
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Very much depends on where you are now in life. Jack probably wouldn't take the plunge if he was happily married with Kate and had a kid , then he wouldn't be mentioning all those people they lost
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It is kinda true man. I love this show, but that is one of its weakest points. I just buy into it cause if everyone was constantly running around asking why all the time that would get old too. Plus, the point of the show is the mystery of it. It could probably be handled better, but it is what it is. I'm not saying this about you necessarily, but Im of the belief that this is an awesome show and people who complain about the little things need a reality check: you are a dude sitting in front of a computer on a talk back. You can complain when you get your own show and its perfect.
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viewing for the writers and producers prior to this season.
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...been declining for a few years now... let it end already, the 00's are almost over.
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Dissapointed cause I thought that was supposed to be Richard centric. I wanted an opening shot of Richard sitting on a throne in the tenmple being worshipped by a bunch of Egyptians. I want Richards story! But I'll accept the episode for what it was, a set up for the finale. Moving pieces to gether and one big WTF moment at the end.
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*Locke wanders into the cabin, filled with smoke he struggles to see someone in the corner*
*An older, skinny figure leans into the light*
"ROLLO. TOMASI."
POOOOOOOOM.
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...It wasn't the sub that looked that bad it was the terrible CG water.
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Yes, Ben said he was there to be judged, but when Smokey didn't come out of the jungle (Locke did instead), Locke told Ben they would just have to go to Smokey instead. Ben said something like "But it doesn't work like that, I can only summon him. I dont know where to go." Locke: "Oh, but I do." Locke then leads Ben to the tunnels underneath the Temple's outer wall.
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*Locke wanders into the cabin, filled with smoke he struggles to see someone in the corner*
*A Hairy man in a red jumpsuit leans into the light*
"Na-Nu Na-Nu. Shazbot." *Jumps out the window*
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I keep wondering if the creator's will re-visit the predictions regarding Aaron and how special he was supposed to be? He's the one of the 6 who has not returned to the island in some fashion. is he the key to understanding why the Shepherd family seems to be at the center of this all?
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next week will be the last season finale ever...no more "wtf" moment followed by months of waiting to see what comes next. next season is actually the finale season....its a little hard to believe and sad and exciting at the same time.
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No doubt about it. However if The Incident sends the Losties back to the present time, i have to start wondering what the whole point of them going back to 1974 was. Was it just to make sure the incident happens? that would kind of feel anti-climactic to me
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Remember, the shepherd is the one who looks over the flock. I know the spelling is different, but I still like it - Jack is Jacob :)
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May 07, 2009 11:28:05 AM CDT
Why do jacob and the sheps hang out in that shack...
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...wasn't it built buy Horace in '77. That also leads to me thinking that Jacob isn't like Hanso or someone really old, but instead one of the original losties.
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I need that to get through my work day.
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As others have said, the sub would've worked better had it been a model. I guess that the studio didn't have access to a stage and staff allowing it to be quickly pulled-off, but a speed-manipulated model just would've worked better with today's HD broadcasts. While I felt most of last night was "filler," we at least see that the Others have access to tunnels that may go just about anywhere on the island(s). They looked somewhat like the tunnels/catacombs in Budapest... and explain how Richard was able to bypass the sonic fence, as well as how the Others have so frequently been able to pop-up and disappear (e.g. Cindy) so mysteriously. Still, it makes me wonder... how *did* Danielle figure out a way to to trap Ben Linus?
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I thought Locke was luring them away with promise of seeing Jacob just so that they wouldn't be killed by the Dharmas who now have a map to their camp. But since John actually intends to kill Jacob, then it seems that saving his people may just be an added benefit.
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Yeah, and the religious implications of shepherds and their flock is not lost on me.
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You're confusing timelines, mate. Locke and the Others are not in the same time period as the DHARMA folk, who have a map to the Hostiles' base in 1977.
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I think Jacob, (if real) is stuck jumping back and forth through time like the Lostaways left behind. Think about it. If he's slowly dying (which seems to be the effect for most people lucky enough to have front row seats to the Donkeywheel show) HE would be experiencing a short period of time on the island and the "others" could perceive it as decades if not centuries. He could be another victim of an unstuck donkeywheel without a Locke to come to his rescue through semi-suicide. Captain Eyeliner could simply have knowledge in advance of his appearances though ancient texts passed on to him through another traveler. It could easily explain the "help me". A year or a decade could pass between Jacob saying "help me" and Locke finding him and attempting to kill him for being a false prophet. (if by his own doing or against his own will??) This theory is on seriously thin ice and I welcome my intellectual superiors to debunk and disprove it, as numerous as you may be.
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...that they showed Sawyer drawing at the end. Also...I have a horrible memory, when we first discovered that map in the early seasons of lost that everyone was trying to decipher, do we now know who it was who created that.
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The map that Sayid was trying to decipher in the first season of LOST was one of Danielles that she drew up. Sayid stole them from her den after he escaped her clutches. Also, the map I referred to above, that DHARMA now has that shows the way to the Hostiles' base, is the same one that Sawyer drew for them. I'm guessing/hoping he just has them going in circles.
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...thanks
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...the show was finished to start rewatching the from the beginning again, but the farther I get away from season 1 the more I keep forgetting. I think after next week in between that long gap will be the perfect time to pick it up again and completely refresh so that going into that last season I'm as sharp as possible.
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Before Season 3 started, I spent the summer watching S1 and S2 on DVD. I tried the same thing before Season 4, but ran out of time. Now, before Season 6, I doubt I'll be able to rewatch 4 Seasons of LOST (since S5 doesn't come out on DVD until the first week of december). But I do suggest watching the first 2-3 at least, Dr.BrianOblivion.
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I agree, it seems smarter to watch all the seasons in preparation for Season 6 to have all the facts before hand, rather than wait and watch it all at once. I'm with you, I'll be visiting my season DVDs over the long, cold break.
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I find that the mysteries which the producers are answering this season only serve to indirectly elevate other mysteries as being more central to the Lost mythology and, hence, more deserving of final Season 6 consideration. Perhaps what we should be paying attention to are the mysteries that the producers have chosen NOT to address this season. In particular, the one large overriding mystery that was in play for several season was the reason why women couldn't have babies on the island - it was partially why Aaron, Walt and Alex were so important, given they were some of the youngest characters on the show. Curiously, the producers have thrown us some many new loops that we've forgotten about it. I think Season 6 will be dominated by this mystery, once this 'Incident' business is resolved.
My prediction? Whomever this Jacob is, following his orders, no matter how distasteful or difficult, was a prerequisite to remaining the leader of the Others. I think we'll discover that, at some point, Jacob told Ben that his wife/love, Annie (another person whose backstory has been carefully avoided), had to die because it was the will of the Island. But Annie was pregnant and Ben loved her so he rebelled, refused to accept her death and the death of his unborn child was inevitable and 'imprisoned' Jacob in retaliation (hence the 'Help me' to Locke). He kept this a secret from The Others. But it didn't work: Annie died anyways and as a result of Ben's disobedience, Jacob, imprisoned but not impotent, chose to punish The Others by not allowing any of their babies to be born on the Island until Ben was no longer leader and paid his penance for his disobedience.
Sacrifice seems to a key theme in this show...and the ultimate sacrifice would be having to surrender a loved one(s). Perhaps that was the lesson the Island was trying to impart on Ben by forcing him to watch Alex's death.
Locke seems to understand that principle; when he told Christian that Richard had told him that he had to die, Christian looked at him carefully and said 'That's why they call it sacrifice, John.' And, obediently, John went through with it and now is being rewarded with resurrection, leadership of the Others and a greater connection with the Island.
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...Aaron. Go with me for a moment here, and by all means debunk/debate - allowing that a) time travel is now a huge aspect of the show, b) common speculation about which actor will be playing Jacob in other spoiler forums is a younger blond man, and c)the presence of Christian and Claire in the cabin, I think it would be an interesting (albeit trippy) direction. thoughts? and please keep the flames to a minimum if this has been floated before, I don't live on these talkbacks...
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ANYONE AGREE THAT Richard is FROM th black rock? in fact, maybe evena pirate?
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think we may get more time-travel? perhaps to an alternate future/ or even better-to the 1400's, when the Black Rock first landed on the island?
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...of piracy, then he's got enough eyeliner to make him fucking blackbeard.
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damon has joke that richard is 600 years old, last night they CONFIRMED he's VERY old-and at one point(in ben's season 3 flashback)-we see him with some very odd clothing,long hair.And well...theres still th mystery of th PIRATE/SLAVE ship on the island-don't tel me you don't think this was a red herring. Also, what was richard working on as last night's episode began? why...a ship in a bottle! hows that doc?
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you have a dude who does torture for a living in dharma? Why not just bring him to the guy who gave sayid the truth serum. Would have saved a ton of time.
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I've always thought the characters act really stupid when it comes to not asking questions, too. Sure, the Others wouldn't have answered probably, but did anyone ever bother to ask them WHY? why kidnap/kill the survivors instead of just saying "this is what we want from you". It could be excused earlier, because you could say the survivors knew Ben wouldn't answer or would lie anyway, but now that Juliet's Sawyers girlfriend of 3 years, why the hell hasn't she explained some things? I'm sure Ben never told her everything, but she obviously knows a lot--like that Locke was paralyzed and the island healed him, where and maybe what the temple is, what Jacob is supposed to be, and maybe what the Others are and what they want. Wouldn't Sawyer have pressed her for some answers by now?
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...foreshadowing his inevitable backstory. Richard was one of the slaves on the Black Rock, while on the journey, Richard died of dysentery (or some equally bad disease back in the olden days). When the ship enters a womrhole, it lands on the island back in Egyptian days. Captain Hanso and crew all pretty much get sacrificed to the Gods. As they bury the bodies, Richard is resurrected in the middle of it, shocking all the Egyptians. They eventually worship Richard as a God. Since Richard was resurrected, like Locke and like Christian, he will never age and is pretty much immortal. Richard goes onto serve the island and become a prominent leader for its indigenous people due to his vast knowledge and history. The Egyptians, not speaking English, know him by his initials, RA. Then again, how does Richard speak fluent English without an English accent? That fucks everything up.
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funny....but honestly...pretty good.I'd be somewhat happy with that!
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...the theories this show brings out are just too strange
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The same reason pple like Madonna develop a fake British accent after living away from America for some time?
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for sawyer to bitch slap radsinzky and the dude that was in Mad-men.Those 2 clowns P I S S me off everytime they're on-screen (hobocode-SPELLCHECK?)
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Just some poor guy unstuck like the others were and is being used and built up as a Jesus when he's probably Carl's Dad or something. I think he is going to be killed because he want's to. Now who dies, Sayid or Jack? Can't be Jack so must be Sayid. Or Sawyer. I would welcome Sawyer's death. Kate and Jack belong together even if they are making Jack be a goof these days.
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No one picks on this? Jacob's cabin is surrounded by a line of salt on the group. Salt is used to bind spirits, as they can't pass it. Jacob isn't in charge. Jacob is a prisoner. When the "leader" has to take orders from Jacob, it masks who is really in charge, and that person is whoever keeps Jacob imprisoned (ie, Richard).
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last night's episode was pretty under-whelming. And honestly, what's up with the commercials? IT'S always 2 characters talking, after they finish-COMMERCIAL.
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didn't the prodcuers confirm that there is volcanic eruption coming up(they pointed this out last season)-especially in regards to JACOB'S cabin.I know it seems obvious the bomb going off/orchard exploding is the "incident"...but LOST is ALL about mis-direction.So, maybe the incident is something else. Anyhow, I'M SURE THEY said it's not salt, but volcanic ash that is surrounding the cabin.
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Although he probably the most likable and less aggressive Other, I see a heel turn comin' for Richard. If Locke blows the cover for them, by calling out the bluff of Jacob....I see Alpert turning
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Remember the black and white backgammon illustration Locke made to Walt? Remember the black and white rocks Jack and Kate found with Adam and Eve? Remember how those rocks are supposedly in Penny's apartment? What's the name of the 1800s boat? The black rock.
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didn't anyone here the SMOKE MONSTER sound in certain scenes? i did. And, isn't Locke acting odd?(and richard and another have pointed it out to him) I FEEL like it's not Locke,it's Smokey
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May 07, 2009 1:25:17 PM CDT
they have a dude that specalizes in torture yet u punch sawyer r
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I'd like to hear some opinions on this question. Which season-finale "mind-blower" was your personal favorite? Season 1's "child-abduction at sea/opening of the hatch"? Season 2's "revelation of the outside world/two guys in the radar tower in the arctic call Penny"? Season 3's gigantic "flash-forward" mind-fuck? Or S4's "Frozen Donkey Wheel/Island Disappears/Desmond+Penny Reunion"? Take them in context too, not overall which is the best, which was the biggest mind-blower/moment of awesomeness for you at the time, knowing what we knew when it happened. For me, it has to be the end of Season 2. That extra scene with those two guys was such a punch in the face some people didn't even understand it. And then they called Penny. Wow. I want to hear other peoples thoughts. Then maybe we can do Season Openers.
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It just makes the idea of Jacob ... weirder than I prefer (as strange and conflicting as that sounds?). I mean, where was he before Horace finished the cabin? And when DID he finish it?
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they cast the guy rom DEXTER as jacob (dexter's wifey's first husband..who is dead now)...and well.i imagine he will be introduced as one of those "never before seen" characters.So, really WHOEVER jacob is...won't be a huge shock.Just the fact that he's some sort of ghost/time traveler entity.But, of course-IM SURE he's Horace's bud or something.
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I'm torn between the "Oh shit, the Others are REAL and they're taking Walt!" moment from S1. When Friendly said "Yeah that's great. But we're gonna have to take the boy," I got chills. But then, the S3 revelation that the flashback was a flash-forward was such a mindfuck and a creepy scene to boot, I don't know which is better. S3 was such a gamechanger.
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It's volcanic ash, or gunpowder. It's dark and thick and grey, and Locke wasn't sure what it was, but he and the rest of us can pretty much tell it isn't salt, mate. Too many Supernatural episodes on your brain, me thinks (great show btw!)
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I LOVED season 1 ender and season 2 opener. But I guess season 3's finale..with penny and desmond was the best.Shocker that it was a flashforward too....thats my call!
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its DEFINITELY ash. Darlton has confirmed this twice, about a year ago.The interesting thing is...where's the doggone volcano?!! And why the fuck does that contain Jacob?
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It's hand down Season 2, going inside and meeting Desmond listening to Make Your Own Kind Of Music. And then the meeting between him and Jack at the stadium, followed by Jack's realization with... "It's you." Solidified Lost as something I would never quit until its over pretty much, right there with that episode.
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about that...DON'T you guys think that THAT very secen(where jack/desmond) are running will come up again? WHy? Didn';t you always think there was "more" to that encounter.Almost like desmond knew he was gonna be there, and that's why the creepy race, looks-and "see you in another lifetime brother" AND, the "you got to lift it up"...i always thought there was MORE to that.And we know lost is big on pay-offs seasons later! (Perhaps desmond mentally travels back to the past again, and looks for jack, to change the future outcome...and is why he tells him to "lift it up").
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I never have really been expecting it, but that basically remains as at least one of my top 5 scenes of lost ever, right up there with the phone call to penny in the constant. That's an awesome theory though, it would be so cool if something like that came back around. Desmond knowing about the encounter would be an amazing twist.
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Desmond said "you've got to lift it up" and he was talking about Jack's sprained ankle. Jack interpreted it as a sort-of sign from God about lifting up the x-ray or lifting up his spirits for his soon-to-be Wife. Darlton confirmed the "lift it up" was about the ankle. See how cool the writing on LOST is?
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Am I the only one who thinks that is absolute lunacy? How does preventing the crash do anything for the Jack, Kate, etc. that we know? Are they counting on being magically transported into their 2004 bodies from wherever and whenever they are when they change history? If that is the case, would they have their memories? I'm really hoping we're not going this route and that "whatever happened, happened," but even if it's all a ruse by Daniel to preserve the integrity of the space-time continuum, there are some very elementary questions here that Jack - who should be fairly intelligent - does not seem to bother to ask himself, and the fact that Richard, Ellie, and Sayid would join this harebrained scheme seems equally dubious. Exactly how precise does Jack expect this planned detonation of a nuclear bomb to be? I loved this episode, but these narrative shortcuts are straining my suspension of disbelief.
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For enders...Season 3. My GF was just getting into the show and she kinda called it, but, I was like, "Nah, it doesn't work that way." Then WHAMMO! Felt the same way with the alternate timeline flashbacks with the Boss' son/Death of Jin ep.
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I know....but do you even remember the scene? I always felt there was more to that..just by what was happening in the scene.Now, at the time-II WASN'T AWARE Darlton confirmed that.i'm sticking to my theory amigo.
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Stick around here after the the finale and usually Rbrog77 makes out a watchback schedule. Where we watch an episode and then discuss it the next morning. We'll post it here and over at Room 23. Usually we go June to December 24th for the older seasons (1 - 4) seasons and then have a scehdule for December 26th - January 30th or whenever the finale is for the new season (5). It always makes the long break go a little faster. All are invited so make sure to bookmark next weeks talkback.
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I think I would put my feeling on it this way...if ever there was a scene that they could go back to and add a new dimension, it would be that one. I'm not saying it will, but they certainly could. It has meaning as it is, but if they chose to, it would be possible to add more I think. I see his point, basically.
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scholar and gentleman.thanks..my last post was gibberish..trying to write...and work and lost theorize..all at the same time...bad idea!
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...It's embarrassing to admit but ive missed complete episodes, maybe even two or three at a time in the first couple of seasons due to school and other things, so i'm really looking forward to rewatching them.
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...and had no idea what people were talking about after it happened. I was like yeaaaaa...you saw a polar bear.....suuuure you did rummy.
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I'm getting a major Wizard of Oz vibe about Jacob. I don't think the man pulling the strings behind the curtain is anything special at all. I think Alpert is behind it all, and I'm not sure whether Ben is in on it or not.
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It's Radzinsky, not radsinzky.
It's Mad Men, not Mad-men.
It's Sawyer, not sawyer.
It's Can't, not Cant.
You didn't provide two spaces after your first sentence.
It's every time, not everytime.
You neglected to put a period at the end of your second sentence.
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I couldn't make it for the first one because I got too busy with other things in life. Might make it for this one.
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I knew you wouldn't miss a beat! I'm trying to work..while I write.Perhaps I SHOULD FILTER THROUGH you from now on? What's YOUR IDEA? And, can you post any ideas? or theories? Not just grammar critiques? you OTHER!
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I'm reeealllly hoping that doesn't happen. But his last scene in last night's episode worries me.
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Jughead got in that underground tunnel, and wondering if it's even related to the Swan anymore.
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the hell Alpert criticized Locke's leadership after seemingly going to great lengths to put him in power.
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= Hilarious.Seriously thank you both. The spelling schtick since yesterday is priceless.You have made my workday more bearable.
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got there with a lil help from Archie ,veronica, Moose and the gang! asshole!
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truth is, i love all you guys, and this site.I fucking love the folks on the LOST talkback.There's some GREAT theories to read, and even funnier comments to laugh at.
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Could be.....
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Or at least, they CAN'T set off the H-bomb where its now located-- for Jughead lies DIRECTLY beneath DHARMAville. And since it still exists in 2004 as New Otherton, then there's no way Jack succeeds in detonating the bomb. Unless he and Sayid find a way to remove the explosive parts and they take it far away to another location... then it might still be a viable threat.
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the sub is going to make a pit stop at The Looking Glass before it goes on its fantastic voyage and whether we will meet the musician who created the code for the stations jamming equipment.
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If alpert is criticizing Lock'e leadership abilities...I imagine that the twist is..Locke is great leader.And will be the ULTIMATE "HERO" of the show when all is said and done.Already he's bringing down the idea of Hiarchy and the inklings of dictatorship out of leading the others, and having them join him,and share in the knowledge of the real going-ons(versus dolling it out at his discretion...like Ben.Obviously I am guessing, but fuck it..feel free to spellcheck me homo...hobo.
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someone's theory WAAAAY up above in this talkback About the hero being the main villian(ala "EXPOSE", where Lanso was revealed as the bad guy.)I assumed the whole expose episode was referring to Nikki/take-a-shit guy, but WHAT if Jack (or someone) ends up being the villian? I've no clue how that'd work..but i like it!
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if Darlton wants us to believe Faraday was 27 when he first came to the island since Ellie appears to be preggers in this episode.
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If so, then this brings us WAAAAAAY back to a theory created in Season 1: That the Others kidnapped Claire to get her baby Aaron. Some of us, at the time, thought that maybe the unseen Others were worshipping some sort of God that needed a new body to inhabit- and baby Aaron was the perfect shell. Now, the idea that Jacob could be Aaron brings that idea back full circle in a very strange way that gives me goosebumps. Especially since it turned out the Others *did* have a bodiless God that no one has ever seen.
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that submarine looked pretty crappy.Sometimes LOST has decents effects, lately-they feel really cheap.But,honestly-it's still my favorite show. Anyone WANT TO guess on HOW locke has the know-how of what to do? Is it in his mind? IS he smokie? Is ther some time-traveling he did that will be revealed to us at a later point? Will coke ever use sugar instead of corn syrup again?
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what the hell they injected into claire.Remember those lil bottle and the injector Charlie found? What the hell?
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Speaking of Eloise's pregnancy did everyone hear what Eloise & Widmore were saying in wispered tones? I had closed captions on and the first hslf of it was produced. I can't remember it word for word, but Widmore actually came out and told her that she shouldn't go to the bomb since she was pregnant.
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when hottie Eloise asked "Now what?". Like, she led him to the bomb, he expected her to know what to do next.Does anyone here know how to detonate a hydrogen bomb? (I'm going to hope the answer is no.) So, does anything think that Jack knows how to detonate a hydrogen bomb? I don't think that's something they cover in medical school.
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Someone asked about his new article, Its up now at the EW website along with Room 23.
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...could I have... the woman.....
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Does it break the fourth wall if a character named after a famous person is aware that they're named after a famous person?Or, more to my point, if a man named Widmore and a woman named Hawking have a son named Faraday, can we assume that Eloise deliberately named her son Daniel after the famous mathematician Daniel Faraday?Also, wondering why she didn't want to allow him to at least pursue a hobby in music, since the art of music and the science of mathematics are so closely linked?
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...is the same one who knows how to fix radios and has the balls to torture and shoot children. Plus hes an iraqi, i mean come one. Dont they all know how to detonate an H-bomb.
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it WAS Faraday who programmed the code in the Looking Glas station.
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did anyone see the TV Guide article online in which Darlton, while still denying the whole "making it up as they went along" mythos, and denying ever having written a "filler" episode, acknowledge that in their books the one episode they kinda think doesn't matter much, that they might consider negligible or expendable, was the infamous Bai Ling "origin of Jack's tattoos" episode.I don't know, without that one, they're still be conspiracy theorists here trying to claim that the secret meaning of Jack's tats is as essential an unsolved mystery as "what is the smoke monster, who is Jacob, Is Richard Ra, why four toes, whatever happened to Cindy and what's the deal with Kate's chin?"
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Vozzek at DarkUFO makes a compelling argument fir it.
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WAY down because for some reason, even though all the employees are sitting in front of their computers typing something, no work seems to get done on that day!? :)
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From the episodes, would that not screw up something about Juliet being branded as a permanent "NON-Other" for later? Or is this another thread that won't be finished? I love the show, and I don't care if these things linger, but, it'd be cool if they took 10 seconds and had Juliet explain it to Sawyer or something. 10 seconds isn't lame exposition.
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I don't think they blew up the Dharma Initiative in 1977 if New Otherton was still there in 2004. I don't think there was ever any evidence or suggestion that there was a bomb blast site, radioactive area or anyone suffering from radiation poisoning on the island.What I do think is that Jack will go on believing that Faraday was right, free will is the variable, and that IF he could have detonated the bomb, he might have changed history so that Flight 815 never crashed. But I don't think that's what will happen, that will just be another of Jack's failures, another thing he will always wish he had done.
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...so that I don't feel guilty about bullshitting here throughout the day.
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May 07, 2009 3:23:18 PM CDT
Wasn't there some sign of radioactive poisoning though...
by drbrianoblivion
... I thought i remember a scene where someone was wearing a yellow biohazard suit and using a geiger counter. Or did we just chalk that up to something else....like the electromagnetic incident...Damn you crappy memory!!!
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Fair coinage, though I'd prefer mathamusician. Still, as seen, as a boy Daniel could play a complex piece perfectly while also counting metronome beats. As an adult he was unable to play the piece without searching around for the notes. Credit that to his failure to follow up on his musical interest and practice, or credit it to his brain damage/memory loss.Imagine if Charlie did guess the musical code was Good Vibrations but the code didn't work because Daniel, not being a musician, programmed it wrong.(I'm still imaging Jack running our of air in that underwater tunnel and drowning - what an anticlimactic end for the shows presumed major character that would have been.)
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...just as its about to explode and thats what destroys the Giant Statue??
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...so that the majority of the effects of the radioactive waste...no longer effect the future blackrock or losties and plant life has a chance to regenerate.
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your thinking of season 2? whe we see how desmond came to the island-and how the other guy(sorry-cant recall name)-who lived in the hatch duped him into thinknig the outside world was radioactive, to keep him in the hatch.
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I just felt a serious temperal displacement...oops, wait...sorry.It's just the effects of my slurpee kicking in.
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...as we know now pressing the button really did mean something.
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if we go back...in ONE LAST flashback , and we get to see the actual black rock ,sailnig the ocean blue...and bam...it crashes onto the island.The cool factor would be that the captain is none other than...CAPTAIN HORATIO MAGELLAN CRUNCH!
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the button pushing bsicalyl released the excess electromagnetic energy...but he was "duped" becuase SOMEONE had to the job, and he lied to desmond (his name was KELVIN!)..AND told des to stay inside the hatch...so Kelvin could escape in Des's boat and leave poor poor des to push that frakkin button!
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...what a jerkybutt.
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hobo-code's gonna eat me alive after the ATROCIOUS grammar from my last post.bring it!
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May 07, 2009 3:58:48 PM CDT
So why would they even have that gear on the island...
by drbrianoblivion
...though, unless at some point there was a radioactive blast.
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or ....they had a real wicked Halloween party! Go dharma costume party of 78"!
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The hazmat gear could have been for the giant chemical station on the island called The Tempest. Just a guess.
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Cause I was under the impression this whole season was building up to that happening the season finale and the Oceanic Crew are the reason why... I'm watching the fourth season over again and Locke has a dream with Horace who says the DI died out 12 years ago which would be 1992 (from 2004)... SO, do the DI die in 77 or 92???
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anyone think the PURGE is coming up too? or will it be later on? WELL,later on I guess...so then..we can assume...no one dies in the "incident"..since on 1977 island..ben is a kid..and we know the purge occurs when he is already a young adult.
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mr.hazard...we know Horace died in the purge..so the purge must've been...what? 15 years later? And we know Radzinski died by blowing his brains out in the hatch(punishment for being a major deuche and disobedient s.o.b.?).
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...connection to the island is. I know where seeing all the shepards connections and other family members of Others or DI, but I was wondering what people thought about Sayid. I just went to the lostpedia cause i wanted to read up on that Kelvin you were talking about milkshake and it was interesting that after he released sayid he told him that his torture will come in handy in the future. Thats just fucking creepy.
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May 07, 2009 4:16:49 PM CDT
Somebody reassure me that they won't change the past
by thunderbolt ross
I'd like it a lot if this show wasn't ruined for me.
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Recently I read an X-Men run in the 80's called Fall of the Mutants where the main team was battling this creature that had taken the form of a Native American guy. But in order to beat him they had a battle and ended up faking their deaths and being transported to Austrilia for awile with everyone thinking that the X-Men were dead. What if Jack tries to ignite the bomb and something self corrects so that the bomb seems to go off, but really disapears and the castaways get flung to 2007 which has the effect of making Radinsky hide out in the hatch thinking that the bomb went off and Richard & Dharma thinking that the castaways died?
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This last episode, I couldn't help but be reminded of the Stonecutters episode of the Simpsons. Locke is Homer trying to do good when he becomes the leader. Pretty soon, the others will realize, "Hey wait, we don't want to lose the island and its special powers!" and they'll create the No Lockes club and effectively kick him out. This will leave him to go running back to Jack and the rest so they can help him. Also, I thought the whole "Richard is from the Black Rock" theory was debunked when Sawyer gave that cockamamie story about landing on the island via the Black Rock and Richard had no idea what he was talking about. However, I do believe the bottle boat was foreshadowing what will be a big part of Season 6. That's my 2 cents. Can't wait for Radinsky to die a horrible death. Out.
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who's the next corpse? SAYID? HURLEY? JACK? SAWYER? BEN? JULIET? KATE? MILES?
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I'm pretty confident he was referring to ben, in those 2-3 GREAT episodes when Sayid beat the shit out of ben in captivity.God,those were great
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... Which will put more of an emphasis on the nauseating love triangle that they love to keep focusing on.
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...will use his torture skills in the future he said this back in 91 before he even got to the island. So how would he have known this.
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Im in the process of posting an E! report on Damon at Meltdown Comics in Hollywood over at Room 23 and thought that this quote fit our discussion about how much will be answered. Looks like what gets answered will revolve around character arcs.
Vote No on Midi-Chlorians: Damon gave us a sense of what kind of Lost questions will be answered, and which other mysteries won't explicitly be explained by the end of the series: "There are certain questions about the show that I'm very befuddled by like, 'What is the Island?' or 'What do the numbers mean?' We're going to be explaining a little more about the numbers, maybe significantly more about the numbers, but what do you mean by 'What do the numbers mean?' What is a potential answer to that question? I feel like you have to be very careful about entering into Midi-Chlorian territory. I grew up on Star Wars; I've seen the Star Wars movies hundreds of times; I can recite them chapter and verse, and never once did anyone ever say to me or did it occur to me to say, 'What is the Force, exactly? Can you explain that for me, better than Alec Guinness does?' I understand, 'When are we going to find out about Libby?' That's a very finite question. 'Who is Jacob?' OK, yes, we've been talking to this guy named Jacob, so those questions then should have answers, but 'What is the Island?' That starts to get into 'What is the Force?' It is a place. I can't explain to you why it moves through space-time—it just does. You have to accept the fact that it does." Can you live with that?
More Series Finale Clues: Damon said that when the show ends, "All of the character resolutions will be very defined. There is going to be no cut to black. The show for me and Carlton [Cuse] and J.J. [Abrams] and all the people writing it—it's not about the Island. The Island is where it takes place. It's about this group of people who crashed on the Island on Sept. 22, 2004 and how they influenced the history of the Island in some ways and had a very significant and pivotal role to play there. You're going to see that role play out, and their fates will all be resolved by the end of the series—that's the story that we're telling. In terms of every little bit of minutiae about the Island itself...There will be questions [left unanswered] after the show [ends]." -
Don't know if this has been addressed yet, but what's with Locke's compass. It keeps going through this loop between 2007 and the 50's. When does rust become a factor?
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I was thinking Hurley, but Im leaning more towards Juliet.
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remember this gem? (not an actual gem Hobocode)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vn2hlXVDZQ
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i wonder is people are picking her becuase she is the new V remake? Either way, she's pretty lame.She's hot,but always looks botoxed..and well...her character sucks. Speaking of odd chracter..remember how she was banging Goodwin? And Goodwin's wife appeared to her once...in the rain..then disspeared into thin air.Wonder if she was experiencing time displacemnt also(like locke last night)?
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...it's amazing where they've taking these characters.
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i hate the cop-out answers like lindeloff's lately! Dude, if you couldn't fit all the answers to the questions YOU created-then just make a special dvd and spill your guts!Or host a forum. That's all.Come forward.At the end of the day-it's a genius show...GENIUS! We will respect you just the same if you tell us you either don't give a shit anymore..or if you just ran out of time to explain it.But,please-ANSWER the goddamn questions!
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Wouldn't it be something if while returning to 2007 the Losties jumped around a little and Sayid ended up running into Kelvin when he arived on the island, thus closing that circle?
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what a different beast it was back then.Now,it's pure mythology and time travel shenanigans...but its still a treasure.Love me that Willie Nelson song
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ur kidding right ? last time i heard, volcanic ash doesnt come out of the ground in a perfect circle around one particular location...sure theres volcanic ash and maybe it was mentioned but i doubt they meant around jacobs cabin specifically....as for the incident, i doubt the bomb will figure in, radzinski seemed uber enthused to get that drilling started on time...they drill, it causes the incident...or maybe the bomb is a dud and just explodes like a conventional bomb, just enuf to cause the incident...the incident will b the same incident mentioned in season one, there will b no difference...we simply will see it played out on screen..
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...and pretty much any character whose died on the island could still be alive skipping around through time?
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Later in the article he said that they wanted to tell Libby's story, but she hasn't been avaliable this year so they can't.
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will be on of those unresolved plot threads.Because he DID seem to know what WAS to come.Which makes no sense..although i swear (i COULD be wrong on this one)...i read that he was to return this season.Either way,that guy is a great actor.He's on those guys whose in alot of Steven King's movie adapatations.And so are alot of other guest stars on LOST.(horace, the d.i. torturere,etc.)
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I think they meant that SOMEONE placed the ash around the cabin.And that SOMEONE is doing it to contain him.if you swallow planes crashing on an island and time travel..then you swallow volcanic ash(and immediately ask 'May I have another?")
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What a bore that would be. good for you Damon, etc
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...I immediately want to watch Deadwood.
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Although i like to put 2 and 2 together myself...I didn't create the show..so if your going to tease and hint..fine...but come out with it..show me the relavance.Otherwise...anyone can come up with that.In fact,it's downright dishonest and misleading to tease..then never resolve.It wreaks of sloppyunderdeveloped ideas!Nonethless-I'm a HUGE carlton Cuse and Damon L. fan-those guys are hilarious and authored one of THE greatest pieces of television ever
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Depending on what the main crux of the story of LOST turns out to be, we may not need to have every detail spelled out for us at the end. I'm not saying this will be so across the board, but many little oddities will be cast in a new light that will allow the astute viewer to extrapolate accurately when they look back.
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...that we'll never find out what smokie.
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are you reading this talkback? You dirty whore, you know you are! cool.
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we find out what smokie is NEXT WEEK! they said it'd be rsolved by the end of this season.But, honestly...if you'd rather find out now..S.M.O.K.I.E. stands for Super Machine Over-seer of Killing for the Island's Escape.sense? none whatsoever..so consider it fact! Damon, you can thank me later bud!
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Actually Darlton doesn't read the boards, their continuity guy, forgot his name, but hes the guy that helps them do the podcasts. He reads all of the boards and then gives them cliff notes on the things that keep popping up. Not sure if he reads here or not. Darlton says that they do it that way in order to stay objective to their story and not just react to fan gripes, but at the same time are able to acknowledge things and see reaction to things.
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i was actually just standing in a motel room like locke with a noose around my neck too.
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Actually I thought they said that we would know by the series finale, but you could be correct.
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...looks like it's back to the sad seedy motel for me.
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cool...i think i know the guy too.He's the one that knows the continuity of the frakkin guns! talk about anal...although...that man has the mind of steel trap...but DARLTON has always been good about including fan reaction( ALA "take a shit guy/ and "are you wering eyeliner?" )just to name a few
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...how long after this season finale do we have to wait till the watchback begins. Im hoping not long.
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continuity guy takes interest in UR talkback, and includes the following "NEW" character
1) The lazy, yet brilliant "idrinkyourmilkshake" early 30's
2) the jovial, and very intelligent "paburrow" who has a myserious connection to the island
3) the ever abrasive,yet always grammarly correct "HOBOCODE"
4)the whimsical, yet sometime brooding white male( early 20's)DrbrianOBLIVIAN
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We will get it, just be patient. Don't "hang" around in motels.
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for shitting all over Star Trek, Abrams, you excrement! And nice Robinson Crusoe/The Prisoner rip-off you've got here, too. Goes nicely with your Mission Impossible and X-Files rip-offs.
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...we've all been trapped inside that cabin with jacob and of course a single white female with a sassy outlook on life. I SMELL A SITCOM!!!
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Its up to you all, if Rbrog77 come around whoeverelse is around at the time make sure to ask him if hes doing the watchback schedule this year.
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I like your Kelvin theory re: him and the Losties bumping into one another in time. Would like to see Kelvin "alive" again.
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I love it!
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...TOO MUCH PRESSURE.
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Chief's opinion is that Kelvin faked his death, not sure about that though.
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just saying that in case Im not around at thye time. Actually I have his e-mail, so I'll do it.
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...into a rock?
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I'm completely FINE with Damon's answers lately. That said, I don't WANT the island explained in graphic detail. I don't NEED to have every little minutia of the island spelled out for me.
Lucas was a dumb ass for trying to explain the Force as midichlorians. The fuckin Force should have just been left "The Force". He 'belittled" his own great concept...nobody was even questioning it in the first place. Leaving it a mystery is much better. It's like giving Michael Meyers a stupid 'back story' and a 'motivation' for his lust to kill. YOU. DON'T. NEED. IT. (Talkin to YOU Rob Zombie!!).
Darlton KNOWS what they HAVE to answer, and what they DON'T. If they don't answer it, then it probably wasn't as important as you thought it was to the overall show.
Will everyone be satisfied? Absolutely not. Will the MAJORITY of us be satisfied? I'm certain that is Darlton's goal.
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...I think that song I need a hero was written about you.
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hmmmm well i guess we hav to accpt that the islands magical ash is like rock salt, lol....i suppose its possible.
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Thats what I was thinking
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Sawyer gave HORACE the cockamamie story about the Black Rock and Horace had no idea what he was talking about. Richard could still be a former crew member.
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instead of troll battles, this is nice.
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I'm pretty sure Kelvin is dead. But seems to me there is plenty of his life on or even before the island that could still be a viable place to encounter Losties of one type or another. I mean, who would ever have guessed back in Season 3 or early in Season 4 that we'd see much of Peter Chang "off the screen"?
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At this point, its best left up to the imagination and inferences. Its Atlantis, the Garden of Eden, Avalon, the Egyptian Underworld all rolled into one. What *should* be explained is Smokey and why the dead keep popping up. We need more than clues for this one. Just imagine how cheesey it would be for Richard Alpert to start telling the story of the Island- "It was once called Atlantis..." then we fade into a terrible flashback of togaed people walking around an agora on the Island before a volcano erupts and the Island disappears. Bleh. So no, we don't need an explanation for the numbers or for the Island. But Smokey- yes. And who the Others are and what they are doing- yes. Libby? NO.
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from what I hear you might be happy about one of you questions next week. Actually two.
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I will say that, despite Damon's comment about resolving the character arcs at the end instead of answering all the "Island mysteries", I'm not so easily swayed that Lost was always about "the People" more so than the Island. Watching the first two seasons, it's very much about the People, but nearly as much about all the strange happenings in the place they mysteriously found themselves. Season 3 starts focusing increasingly on the people on the island and how and why they are who and where they are. The original goal was to get off the island. By Season 4 (or even the very end of Season 3, right?) we know that at least some of them actually do. But before the entire story unfolds to the audience HOW they get off the island, a whole new wrinkle is flushed out from the lingering mysteries of the Island. Enter: time travel. The importabnt of time travel gave the writers a whole new toy to play with, which has been a fun ride, but in a way seems to distract from the show's original premise by setting up all new issues the characters must face and possibly resolve. That in and of itself isn't a bad thing. They needed to do it in order to keep the show going as long as they have and through one last season. But, my point is that the focus now is very different than it was several seasons ago. Has it kept it interesting and exciting? Yeah. Was it necessary from a story stand point to go there? No. But to keep the show going? Maybe. What do you guys feel about Early Lost vs Current Lost?
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Excellent. Also needed: The whispers.
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Above you asked about Claire's injections. If I remember right, didn't it turn out that the injections were something that made her sick on purpose. When the others supposedly kicked Juliet out and branded her, she then talked to Ben about carrying on with the plan. She then went to a place marked by the same symbol as her tramp stamp brand and got the antidote to the sickness they gave Claire. She cured Claire and gained some trust from the 815ers. That's why I still think the others never really disowned Juliet, but that whole trial and branding was part of a big scheme to get Jack to trust her, and he would in turn get the rest to trust her. If so, it worked because that's what happened. If she were really kicked out of the Others, why continue to meet with Ben? Maybe someone else has watched those eps. more recently, but I think that's the deal with Claire's injections.
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I read something from darlton that said that the finale will finish time travel. I also read something else that said that theres going to be a major gamechanger this finale "Fork in the Outlet" What do you think that it will be? The castaways as if there hadn't been a crash? The island changed? The past stuck in the present? What will it be?
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An army of ghosts helping one side (Like Aragon leading the ghost army in Return of the King?)
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But I don't want to find out the Island is made up of midchlorians. I'm with cheif and vader on this one. Honestly, I'm a little scared that whatever they tell us smokey is will be a little underwhelming. (I DO want to know why dead people aren't dead anymore, though.) And I want to know what's up with Richard Alpert and who Jacob is. And I want the characters to have resolution. But other things I'm okay taking on faith.
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My take: it depends on the movie. Blade Runner in Blu-Ray is a good thing. Paul Blart: Mall Cop, or any Adam Sandler, Will Ferrell or Vince Vaughn flick can be pretty much seen in any quality. I'm not going to spend money on a Blu-Ray disc to see Kevin James' gelatinous rear end in 1080P.
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take the Biff Tannen approach to making money fast. Plus microsoft stock. Oh by the way you set off a hydrogen bomb by hitting it on the nose with a wooden mallet. Come on people don't you watch Looney Toons? I can't wait to see Locke gut Jacob like fish. Take that old man. "This is my stabbing hand Hah! Hah!"
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Dr. Marvin Candle gets his left arm severed.
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1- I'm digging the hotness that is 1977 Ellie. Didn't hear the part that she was preggers.. stunning eyes
2- The incident has to be when they finally break into the negative energy area. We see richard swinging at the wall in the preview of next week.
3- DI was around for a long time after the incident. The purge is the reason why the hatchers wouldn't go outside w/o gear.
4- Jacob was specially tuned into the island, like Walt. Only much, much more. So much, that without Jacob the island cannot work it's magic. Therefore, Jacob is kept hostage "for the sake of the island". That is the reason we had Walt... to show to a lesser degree someone who has a special psychic connection to the island. -
So the island can make a crippled man walk, jump through time and space, there's a magic box that gives you what you want/need, but theres some of you who think that the future can't be changed? Why not?
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Still think Hurley, maybe something in that guitar case that is needed to save the lives of others but for Hurley to use it he will die, a sacrifice, a Spock like death.
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Man, he's probably the only character that everyone likes. That's a good call.
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And when you spell it out like that it seems even more crazier.
Humans do it all the time, billions of people believe in some mystical being that controls the world, is all knowing, they believe that when we die, some energy force will leave us and then go on living forever. And yet are sceptical about many other things in life. We are a strange lot.
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The more I think about it the more I think it will happen, which definetely saddens me.
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for me LIBBY dont have to be explained anymore...the reason she was in the mental institution WAS explained, just not directly..in the episode in season 2 where she gives desmond her husbands boat...clearly she loved her husband and his untimely death caused her crazyness..hence she was hospitalized for awhile...direct answer ? no, but it resolved the libby in the mental institution question for me...sorry if someone needs its directly addressed...as for the series finale, has everyone just wrote off walt ?? and the reason why he was let go, and keeps showing up in visions or in person on the show..."we got a little more than we bargained for" ben said...maybe WALTs power rivaled that of JACOB ? and so sending him away before he became a problem was acceptable...i can imagine WALT coming back to the island in a final showdown with jacob or locke ?? wouldnt that be full circle for those 2 characters? i just think that WALT is being overlooked as a major LOST character from season 1
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I may be wrong here but I don't think we have seen smokie at all in pre-incident island so is it possible that the incident somehow creates/awakens the smoke monster?
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As I said here a few weeks ago, I think the reason there is dissatisfaction with the Libby storyline is that it was presented as a seemingly significant mystery and then dropped. The reveal was the final beat of an episode, and it was never explained if or why she was keeping information from Hurley. Circumstantial evidence could also indicate she was in league with Widmore. I'm content to drop it, but I understand the frustration.
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One significant reason from a storytelling perspective not to change the past is that if the past is changed, we will never find out what "The Incident" is, which has been an ongoing mystery of the show for several seasons.I'd really appreciate it if someone would respond to my original post on this thread.
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I'll be really surprised if they kill Hurley. He's the only consistent comic relief, and season six would get very stodgy without him. Sayid makes a lot of sense; I'd be sorry to see him go, but - as indicated by his line of dialogue last night to Jack - he really doesn't have much else to live for and has to be fed up with this stupid island.
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someone said couple weeks ago that HANSO would be making an appearance this season, no?
I'm glad a few people floated the old Caption Hanso and First Mate RamDass of the Black Rock theory, that's been banging around for years now...
even The Wid was interested in His memoirs, if memory serves?
I myself came up with a similar theory to your from above, Pa, where Jacob is unstuck-in-time (back then I thought he was Hanso from the Dharma Initiative, unstuck because of The Incident) and you know what?
"The Island" told Locke when/where to get Richard to make sure he got that bullet out (and gave him the compass) and it would seem that said Island has told Locke to kill Jacob - we've all thought Jacob and The Island were on the same team but maybe just maybe He is the Bad Guy - a la the Expose' ending?
Who else thinks where Richard is taking them all is The Shadow Of The Statue - where they will find some MORE people waiting?
How many of those people will actually be able to SEE Jacob? Not Ben, apparently...
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The Wid was left out of the loop on all this!
he had a line like "can someone please tell me why the Dharma Initiative appears to have declared WAR on us?"
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Coca-Cola does still use sugar in Mexico!! Tastes better too.
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i understand your point....but i am interested about what u think about my take on the WALT situation
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hope you are right, we need the comic relief, maybe at the end of the series.
Sayid seems a more likely choice.
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Are we going to see another actor playing him, or Future Walt, along with Aaron, Charlie Hume, and Ji Yeon ?
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So the episode was ALRIGHT. It had some good scenes but as a whole it didn't work as tightly as I'd hoped. I definitely don't consider this episode Richard-centric, although we finally get a good hint as to his purpose as an advisor. I'm excited about the finale but I still have my hesitations about this season as a whole. It began really well and I thought the on-island and off-island storylines were going to converge into something great, but when that didn't happen I was naturally let down. Other than Sun and possibly Jack, I don't believe that the other Oceanic Six would really want to get back to the island. And once they got back, they were pretty much just going with the flow without any clear goal or direction. However, the writers have consistently stated they know how the show will end, so I have a good feeling that season six won't have the same problems that seasons 4 and 5 did of disjointed, convoluted storytelling. However, I still consider this one of the best shows to ever grace our TV sets.
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Your theory regarding Walt is certainly possible. I guess I like him where he is - safe and out of the picture. John Locke's not wanting to take him back to the island because of his respect for their friendship works for me, as that was a strong element of season one that I would not like to see compromised. Also, yes, he has cropped up at critical times, but his predominant distance from the happenings of the show for the last four seasons might make his reappearance seem like something of a cheesy deus ex machina if not done well. We'll see...
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Walt is coming back you can bet on it and thats not from any spoiler info. Just listen to any Q & A where someone asks Darlton about Walt. They always get all evasive and coy about it that you can tell that they have some major thing up their sleves planned for him. I don't know if it will be teen or adult Walt, but you can bet on the fact that he will be back.
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The compass that Locke and Alpert keep swapping, isn't that in some sort of time-loop?I might not be remembering correctly, but didn't Locke get it from Richard before going into the past only to get it back from him to give back to himself?
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This season we got to meet some more Dharma guys, and introduced the Shadow guys, will there be new regular/semi regular characters for Season 6.
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What would have been interesting/disturbing/plain wrong, is if some of the Losties stuck in the 70's for 3 years, i.e. Sawyer, Daniel, Jin or Miles would have impregnated some women on the island, and their child ends up being a character that was one of the Losties in 2004. Even more heartbreaking would be if their child ended up as someone who had died, i.e. someone like Boone.
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I thought the same thing, just so if by chance they found out that they fathered a child AND the kid doesn't die but becomes a friend of thiers, they could actually tell them that they banged their (kids) mom and/or "I am your father." (or the more cheesy "Who's your daddy? Me.")
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...or even worse we end up with some sort of Oldboy situation. And i don't mean eating a live squid. Unless thats a term the kids are using nowadays.
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Ok...so if Alpert gets his compass from Locke in 1952, and then he gives it to Locke in 2007 who then goes back to give it to him in 1952... Where the hell did it come from in the first place? Did I miss something!?
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But yeah incredibly disturbing scenario.
With sperm donations etc, am sure that actually occurs.
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I'm "ewwwwing" at the euphemism you just created.
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..I dont think I could even handle Lost if it was on HBO and I LOVE HBO series.
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...eating a live Squ...OOOOH GOD...(Throws up all over keyboard)
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I need my walt fix for this season dammit! Someone scream walt for me please!
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Richard says this line in the very beginning of the episode after Sun asks him if he knows any of the people in the picture from DI class of '77. I havn't seen anyone talk about what this might mean. Even more disturbing really is that Sun wouldn't even ask "really, how'd they die" or "what do you mean?". But that is of course because we needed to see some commercials.
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He said he saw them all die, but that assumes that Jack can't change that outcome. Also Faraday told Jack before he died that he wasn't even supposed to be there... I can't get over that line either. Does that mean the time line was already altered by Jack and the others returning to the island?
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I'm guessing Pierre Chang will be involved, if indeed it comes to that. Can't imagine who else could credibly figure out how to get that done. I don't believe it's just a matter of blowing it up with dynamite.
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That the Losties are all in the vicinity of the explosion , "The incident", there is some level of destruction, they are all gone, Richard looking on from some distance, assumes they are all dead. The reality is they have travelled in time, still not sure when/where they have travelled to. Perhaps Black Rock time, perhaps to 2007/2008 catapulted into the War, perhaps further ahead to meet an old Walt. My strongest feeling is back to 2007/08 as they are probably finished with time travelling, for now. Season 6 time travelling will more be about a real Richard centric epsiode showing us the past and answering some of the mysteries.
How did they die, would have been a logical question, but the answer would have given the plot away, perhaps Sun asking this questions to Richard, with offscreen/silent answers (like with Farady when he continued to talk to young Charlotte).
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I assume Faraday didnt have it all in his head, so he would have things written down in that diary, that would help expalin what to do. Between the Losties they will manage it.
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I mentioned this above in my X-Men/Fall of the Mutants post. The bomb goes off which causes the incident which somehow sends the Losties back to 2007. At the same time it appears to Richard, The Others & the DI that they all died in the explosion.
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but one would think the bomb could easily have gone off; the island heals others, why could it not heal itself? Also, if Sawyer, Juliet and Kate actually make it back to society could they be responsible for the folks on the Ajira flight? You know Sawyer would have some cash and perhaps they went to Hanso and told him their story, convinced him to restart the Dharma Initiative.
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May 08, 2009 12:03:50 AM CDT
PA - read the article you mentioned earlier re "Vote no on midic
by miyamoto_musashi
Whilst I sort of agree with Damon, and per my earlier posts, don't think we want all the mysteries solved, with his comparrison to Star Wars, he is not comparing Apples with apples.
Mystery is certainly not a strong part of Star Wars, it does play a part but not a strong part. Whereas in Lost, we all know mystery is a major part.
Damon's comments re this being about the characters, and not about the Island, I get where he is coming from, but I don't think there would be too many viewers, who don't see the Island as a character. Especially when you hear comments from Locke like "The Island told me".
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I think it's assumed that Chang lost his arm in the incident, but if not then it's after the incident. This makes me wonder why when Locke and co. went to the Pearl and watched a video, one-armed Chang is explaining that the people in the Swan think they're doing something important by pushing the button, but they're not. Of course he knows that the button is important. Does anyone think that we'll ever get an answer about why the Dharma folk would leave so much to chance when it came to the button. It's like they want the button pusher to decide it's a load of crap and not push it. Did the writers really know at that point if they wanted the button to be important or just a test of the pusher's gullibility? That's been a big issue for me and I've never seen any answer given on the show or in here. If you know that pushing the button is all that's keeping you alive, you're not going to count on some guy like Desmond who doesn't even know for sure that it's real to keep pushing it for the rest of his life.
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I agree about the mysteries. He said that explaining the force ruined it and that's true, but like he said the force was never a big mystery. The only real mystery in the trilogy was whether we believed Vader was really Luke's father and that was solved pretty quickly. Lost, however is only interesting because of the mysteries. Sure, we liked getting to know and care about the characters, but without the island secrets, it's just a soap opera and most Lost fans wouldn't still be watching. I for one hope that most of the big questions are answered.
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It sure felt like they were making a point of lingering on that, as if he really won't be back, but that has got to be a red herring - I really can't imagine the 3 of them getting off the island at this point in the story.
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Definetelty a red herring, they will be back there
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for waiting for the finale. Something about putting on scuba gear and hiding out inside your water bed with only very large meats to sustain you. This will be my plan waiting for the finale. I'm going FRIGGIN NUTS man, like, seriously. I want to take a nap and wake up and it's next Wednesday! Maybe I can have Butters bury me in the snow..
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Until George Lucas ruined it...forever. And I'm talkin about Jar Jar...not midichlorians.
Oh...and Ewoks.
Rest easy, Musashi...The answers, my friend....are blowin in the wind...
THE ANSWERS ARE BLOWIN IN THE FUCKIN' WIND!!!
(Don't fuck this up, Darlton!!!).
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and Orchid videos. He does NOT in the Swan. 2 of the 3 videos have a 1980 copyright.. we didn't get to see the end of the Orchid video. Now, whaddya make of that sir? :)
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I see it is honesty (for the person) through paranoia, esp. because all the crazy shit that happens on the island.
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before the Pearl or Orchid, but clearly it can't, because he has both real arms in the latter 2, and a fake one in the Swan. The Swan mentions the incident, and is copyright 1980. The Pearl film seems newer, with update early 80s synthesizer music, and the Orchid video on VHS (or Betamax) seems even newer than those. But the Swan apparently came last... unless... yes, hmmmm
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http://tinyurl.com/p7wn63
JJ's TED talk, for those who missed it. All I'm saying is, he keeps it sealed. Some things are always better if they remain a mystery. But not ALL things. I think we can expect some aspects to be unresolved, but not all... obviously. There would be a Jihad. He'd be going to Rushdie for advice. -
...was why didn't Chewbacca have a penis.
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Same reason Bigfoot's dick isn't visible.
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My local grocer carries a fridge of Mexican Coke, always stocked. It IS much better. Now less diarrheal...And extra swiney now, too.
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You asume that a dick that is "big Ol" is visible?My Jesus-stick! What do thing a "lil Ol" dick looks like?
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...I love how they're using a Dylan song off his new album for the new true blood promos. Very cool....
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"you know in college I always ASSUMED since his feet were so huge.. you know... but.. umm.. no. but you can't win 'em all."
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...if big foot was running around with a big floppity dick and balls...
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But, he had such small hands. Like a racoon.
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...that wouldnt be smart cause it could get caught on a branch or something and get torn off.
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...they should have just given Chewbacca a nice little pair of furry pants.
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I heard JJ and company already have a Lost spin off planned involving Hurley and his Dad roadtripping back and forth across the US (the globe?) on his lotto money. They originally start with the intention of helping random strangers, but end up solving and battle supernatural....ok, nevermind. Just stirring the pot here, gents. Thanks for all the entertaining discussion above.
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May 08, 2009 12:48:42 AM CDT
big foot was running around with a big floppity dick and balls..
by finky089
Like an 8ft Ron Jeremy!
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They sell it in various places here in SoCal and even in CostCo and the ingredients on the bottle are indeed different. The Mexican Cokes taste better. My wife says "they taste like Coke used to in the early 80's) in the US.
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...With hurley putting larry david through a bunch of funny uncomfortable situations.
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Hurley won't be killed. The guitar case contains a GUITAR.
Remember when he got on the plane and Jack asked Hurley how he found out about the flight?
Charlie told Hurley. Hurley is bringing a guitar back to his best friend on the island.
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We will know for sure this time next year.
Post Lost is going to be dark times, ... well until the end of the world in 2012. -
Despite Jack's admission that Locke may have had it right all along - they still seem to be in conflict with their current course of action Jack wants to hit the reset button on everything (perhaps the most sad and tragic possible outcome of all). But wouldn't Locke do anything to stop that from happening? He's on that island for a reason - and it can't simply be to undo the course of events.
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If only you knew how many times I've heard that phrase uttered ("Your wife is right", not "Mexican coke") A friend of ours introduced them to us only last summer and we thought he was exaggerating, but indeed he was not. We stock up on them too and usually have a few chilling in the fridge. mexican cokes out of the half-liter bottles are just...outstanding. They put the faux-sweetner Cokes pushed on us in the US to shame. Elijah himself would gladly accept a wine cup full of it after the seder!
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Pitch that idea to the Lost continuity guy who apparently reads these TBs. Maybe he'll plant the bug in JJs ear.
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(As written by PS 142 8th grade Literature class)
INTERIOR/GALAGA SUB
Juliet: Hey, home wrecker.
Kate: Sup, Sugar Tits?
Juliet: Yo, nice rescue, beyotch.
Kate: What ev!
Sawyer: WTF, Freckles? Can't you see I'm a happily married (con) man now? I've moved on!
Kate: News Flash, James! Jack's gonna flip the script and make it so our plane never crashes! He's got an H-Bomb, baby!
Juliet: Is that like a Jagger Bomb? I LOVE those!
(Kate rolls her eyes)
Sawyer: I don't give a shiznit what Dr. Strangelove is up to! Me and Sweater Pillows here are gettin the fizzy outta dizzy while the gettins good!
Kate: OMFG, dude! Don't you realize if our plane doesn't crash...you never meet this gutter skank fertility doctor?
Juliet: Oh, no you deed'ent!
Kate: STFU, Sloppy Seconds! Jack's gonna blow up that Swan nonsense...and make it so this lil siesta on Craphole Island never happened!
Juliet: That is WHACK! You gotta stop him, LaLa.
Kate: LaLa?
Sawyer: (sighs) LaFleur...
(Kate makes "Gag me" sign).
Sawyer: Ok...we got crank up the Bad CGI Machine and turn this bitch around! I needs my fleshy funbags! No offense, Flaty!
Kate: None taken. You got a plan...or do you need to read a book first?
Sawyer: Ha. Ha. Here's the plan...you two bitches start makin out...get really nasty with each other...and distract Guardo over there...while I knock his ooglin ass out, get these cuffs off and make a U-Turn in this Whoopty U-Boat!
Juliet: I'm not makin out with her!
Kate: Oh, you LOVE it, bitch...I've seen Gia! C'mere! Mmmm....
(Kate and Juliet put on a hot, sweaty lesbo show. After about 5 minutes...)
Kate: C'mon, Sawyer, you jackass! This show ain't for YOU!
(Sawyer finally gets the Guards attention and point the party out).
Guard: Hey! You two!! Stop...uh...Um...wow...hey...Whoa! Holy shit...keep going! Keep GOING!
(Sawyer wraps his cuff chains around the guards neck and chokes the bitch out).
Sawyer: Alright, girlies...get dressed...time to get tight! Unless...you want a quick mix in?
Kate: Keep dreamin, hillbilly! (Grabs the keys of the guards belt & takes off her cuffs)...MY man's back on that island...and I'm gonna tell him I've got a "FORK IN THE OUTLET"...and he won't wanna blow up that damn hatch anymore!
Juliet: Wow...I've never made out with a pregnant chick before!
[POOM BITCHES!!!]
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We discover that Hurley's dad has the ability to see the supernatural, but only when he is stoned.
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there's no way he wants to go back to "the chair". No way. I have to imagine "resetting" the whole thing so that the plane never crashes is about the last thing he'd want.
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Enter: Tommy Chong...who happens to be the brother of....wait for it Horace!
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Go watch the trailer for next week and you will find out if they leave the island or not.
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Locke's "Kill him" comment reminded me of Roland Barthes' essay, "Death of the Author," in which Barthes basically decries people's need to analyze authorial intention and assign a single authorial interpretation to a text (or, in to explain the metaphor, a single interpretation of the future of the island). Basically, it seems (as a few people have indicated) that Locke wants to eliminate the idea of a singular narrative (godlike) force driving the island's inhabitants' actions.
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your scene is a great reason why we need to see an epsiode of Lost on HBO
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I'm sure I'm totally wrong - but the thought I kept getting in this episode is that Jacob doesn't even exist and Locke knows it. He wants to "kill" him be revealing there is no one behind the curtain.
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probably not in the convetional way we typically think of something existing. Is he a man physically present in one place at a time? probably not. But is he a complete fabrication complete with fake electronic light show, etc? probably not. It's all in how you interpret the word "exist", I think.
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May 08, 2009 1:22:16 AM CDT
Then again, hardly anything is what it initially seems in Lost
by finky089
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May 08, 2009 1:24:07 AM CDT
This TB is going great, we may hit 1,000 by the season final
by miyamoto_musashi
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I'm amazed those tiny hairy creatures that live under bridges have stayed away for the most part.
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...going on.
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Just wanted you guys to know though I decided to just do the watchback schedule myself since I would need to enter the info at Room 23 myself anyways. Im actually making a new page just for info like watchback schedules, Links & Other stuff. But I'll run the schedule by you guys before finishing. Looks like we can fit it all in with 3 episodes a week if wee watch 5 the first week.
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May 08, 2009 1:35:25 AM CDT
ok, so I broke down and watched the preview for finale...
by hamster factor
that's one question answered at least
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... you can count me down like a clown with a frown.
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Does anyone rememebr what they did with the body of John Locke's father after John came into the Others camp in Season 3 carrying it on his shoulder? For some reason it was what immediately came to mind when I watched the teaser vid up there with Locke carrying that boar. Did they feed him to Smokie?
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May 08, 2009 1:42:17 AM CDT
Im actually going to commit to this watchback thing...
by drbrianoblivion
...so fully that im growing out my daniel faraday hair in remembrance.
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You just made PS 142's 8th Grade Literature class very sad! ;P
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Kate ate him. Aaron was just the appetizer.
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they are always high on that shit lol. if u dont know what it is then read this: "Jenkem is an alleged hallucinogenic recreational drug composed of noxious gas formed from fermented human feces." (wiki) i see Kate likes the smell of jack's shit haha.
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They never really revealed that and probably never will. Probably just buried him?
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I am curious whether this "wrong side' involves another character like Jacob. The Bible describes Jacob & Esau as brothers constantly in conflict, even in the womb. Their mother, Rebekkah, had a tough pregnancy. Jacob is described in Genesis as a dweller in tents while his Esau is a hunter and fieldsman. Jacob was eventually sold into slavery in Egypt, which might tie in with the Egyptian mythology of the Others. He once had a dream about "Jacob's Ladder" which involved thescattering of Israel and how they would be brought back together before the end of the world. Food for thought.
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I am curious whether this "wrong side' involves another character like Jacob. The Bible describes Jacob & Esau as brothers constantly in conflict, even in the womb. Their mother, Rebekkah, had a tough pregnancy. Jacob is described in Genesis as a dweller in tents while his Esau is a hunter and fieldsman. Jacob was eventually sold into slavery in Egypt, which might tie in with the Egyptian mythology of the Others. He once had a dream about "Jacob's Ladder" which involved the scattering of Israel and how they would be brought back together before the end of the world. Food for thought.
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I bet they use real CANE sugar instead of the cheap-ass CORN sugar you get in the US - I remember this was a big deal (using cane sugar) for Jolt Cola, back in the day...
so all this talk about orientation videos reminded me how that FUCK Radzinski cut all the BEST BITS out of them for his own evil purposes - man that guy's got some ALMIGHTY ass whoopin comin his way!
when they finally paints the ceiling with a mosaic of his brains, I'm gonna be cheerin louder than that time Sayid took that fucker out with that breakdance move of his!
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A spacecraft left behind by four toed aliens that used a spacetime drive to cross the universe. Early humans worship the aliens and played with the (Crashed?) ship not understanding much about it including the spacetime drive, or the security system (smokie). However, on some level the ship is still sentient and trying to preserve itself.
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Considering that most of the "ghosts" can physically interact with the living (not like the 1st in Buffy season 7, where we all thought Giles was the 1st for some time) I think the clues are there or the writers are making us speculate Locke may be a manifestation of the smoke monster or whatever.
Anyone in NYC that wants to see the finale live should go to the Irish Rogue on W44th and 9th. There's gonna be beers, LOST jeopardy trivia and all kinds of cool shit. I think we have 80 people coming so far. -
You know we would had gotten a full-frontal of Sun when Mike ran in on her bathing in the jungle. And we would had scenes upon scenes of Kate in the nude or getting fuck to whack-off for all of enternity! Medicare would have to invent a clause for chafs dicks!HBO's Lost would be a bloody goddamn murdering show that would make The Sopranos look like gay dancers on a shopping spree!With all that nakedness and murder I don't think my tiny brain could handle all that greatness!
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Permanently displaced in time, perhaps by moving the wheel or because of the "incident". Jack Shepard = Jac Pard = Jacpob = Jacob. See? Jacob is a mumble-mouth translation of Jack Shepard.You don't think so? Then why is Christian Shepard acting as the Mouth of Jacob now? Hmmm? PS: I think one of the skeleton's in the cave is Miles. Could be Miles and Pierre Chang. Hmm? Plus: sick to death of Radzinsky. I sure hope we actually get to see him take a shotgun to his head, or Kelvin do it for him (which is what I think really happened).
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so I checked out the blast door map again and you can see the underground tunnels, etc.
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i missed alot.
OKAY,jaymrobinson-I JUST came back from MEXICO(4 days)..and i brought ack 4 glass bottle of coke...delcious ass shit.Now, i never drink soda-but over there...well, its just insanely good..and cost bout 30 cents.I'm saving my 4 for somethnig special(suchas:when I am thirsty).whats up!!! -
i agree with you peeps..las night i thought to myself that that JACOB could be HANSO.
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would probably cure all the shenanigans and tim-travelnig mishaps on the island.Just sit smokie and Vicent down for sec, pop open an ice-cold MEXICAN coke..and just let life show you how sugary sweet and tasty it can be...ahhhh.
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is that LOST SUDDENLY becomes a sitcom, canned laughter and all.For no reason whatsoever...other than to shock us.INTRODUCING Locke as the cranky neighbor, JACK and Kate as the on-again/off-again couple involved with an quadrangle between relatives Sawyer and JULIET.First episode spotlights the shennanigans of there new pet ,Smokie.Smokie escapes the abckyard and murders 22 neighbors...uh oh!I smell fiasco!
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Exactly we would get to see a bit more of Sun ,also Juliets cans
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Hurley would need to have a strong Latino accent
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up to the 9th TPB, I know this is up to be made into a movie, but for me should be a tv series and would be a great series replacement to Lost in 2011.
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would be the pratfall guy...like kramer.He burst in, extremely syereotypical hispanic guy..and says "heeey...wanna buy some oranges?"
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I rewatched the episdoe last night (this time sober) and the more I think about it the more I think John doesn't want to "kill" Jacob, but rather expose the truth about him. That's why he's taking everyone. To show them for themselevs that Jacob is bogus, or at least that he's not someone or something they want to blindly follow. Jacob is not in league with the island and John knows it.
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JACOB is "trapped" because by trapping him, it keeps the island's location in constant state of limbo.So, in order to "release" Jacob, they'd have to do something that ould place the island in jeopardy.
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I'm as big of a fan of that show as anyone for the adrenaline rush it provides, but the last two seasons have become a joke. Moving the show to DC was good idea but would it kill them to do some simple research about the area when writing? I live in DC and almost every episode has groaning inaccuracies.
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Your correct about the story except for one minor thing. It was his son Joseph that was sold to Eygpt. Another part of that story which might be of relivance is that Esau sold his birthright or spiritual inheritance to Jacob for a mess of pottage or a bowl of soup.I wonder if possibly Jacob on Lost conned someone out of the leadership of the island, maybe Richard?
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... I'm sad to say. Despite all of Locke's recent alpha male antics, Ben still has one hold card that he can pull. Two, really... and their names are Walt and Aaron. Locke told Linus that there was nothing he could do "to him," but who really thinks that Linus would have any problems abducting Walt and Aaron just to advance his agenda? The moment where he chose not to shoot Penny was likely an anamoly, in my opinion. Speaking of kids; where *are* the rest of the kids from flight 815, anyway?
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... continues to appear young because he's found a way to manipulate subjective time on the island. He spends a day there, goes away, and come back for what's the next day for him (but can be months or years later for everyone else). This may be why he became so agitated with Locke, as he may need to do this on a schedule which Locke was interrupting. The Jacob thing also annoyed the Alpert character, but I think this may also have been a factor.
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I think i'm going to be fucking pissed. To negate everything that's happened thus far is a full out HEROES move and I think this show is better than that.
No, what I think will most likely happen is that Jack, in his attempt to stop the incident, is going to cause it.
Supposedly this season ends with a gamechanger the likes we saw in Season 3. Something that makes viewers question how the show can possibly continue next year with such a twist.
I pray that twist isn't "They never crashed because the timeline got fixed".
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I haven't been keepin up with 24...I thought Jack was desperately ill from the pathogen...last I saw...But Kiefer turned himself in yesterday for the headbutting incident. He was not arrested. A hearing has been scheduled on whether the parties want to move forward with criminal charges. If they do, he will be arrested, arraigned and ROR'd.
I'm thinking the dude he head butted (ironically, also named JACK) is giving Sutherland an opportunity for a very public apology...and perhaps the charges will be dropped. But I ain't hearing any "I'm sorry" from the Kiefer Kamp yet. -
jack cant change the timeline.They never go 1-2-3 on LOST,so if the characters are telling us that there plan is do x -then x is not going to happen.
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Then it kind of shows that whatever happened to Jack and company back in 77 obviously did NOT change the timeline, as Richard remembers it.
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Jack fixing the timeline is the equivelent of Pam finding Bobby in the shower on Dallas. I'm certain Darlton will NOT make that mistake.
I think Jack will be very head strong about the detonation...but the "FORK IN THE OUTLET" changes his mind at the last minute...and The Incident unfolds as it was suppose to....(perhaps with a slight 'variable' thrown in).
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versus Jack skelton versus Jack Sheppard.Who would win? I WOULD assume the pumpkin king..although jack sheppard has surgical skills, and can easily mend his own wounds.Assuming Bauer's attacks island jack first-bauer's headbutt would be obvious, since Jack is a time-traveler, so he'd simply step out of the way, and jab that key into Bauer's eye.
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...for a public apology and then immediately head butts him again just to prove to the world that Sutherlands don't take no gaff from no one.
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Finky... I suspect we'll see Locke's dad again. I previously thought he might be Jacob, as Jacob seemed to be "bound" (maybe with chains?) and it would explain why Linus wanted Locke to be his killer... but who knows? Speaking of the boars, I'm wondering if the Dharma Initiative introduced them into the island habitat (as they seemingly did with the bears, sharks... and maybe even Kate's horse). It's still possible that they came some other way, but I just don't think the writers want to go any deeper than saying "it was Dharma." Whatever the case, someone had to introduce them to the island, considering the fact that they're native to Europe. Unless the island is actually somewhere "near" one of the areas where boars tend to live, of course. Hobo... I'm with you. He's probably looking to kill the "idea" of Jacob.
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...movie, where he had that magical remote control. I would totally Fast Forward right through the filler episode that is my life up to wednesdays Finale.
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The 815ers will cause the incident. Ever since this time travel concept was introduced i've just felt it was going to happen.
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Next weeks Fringe finale has Olivia able to see and I think go into a parallel universe. I was thinking of that and how the original Star Trek had a mirror world where everything was the oposite, Evil Spock, etc. If we are going down the road of season 5 mirrors season 2 and season 6 mirroring season 1, etc. Season 1 had a big theme of black & white or opposites. Also I believe the "Through the Looking Glass" which has been a Lost episode was about Alice visiting a sort of parrallel world. Again far fetched, but what if the big game changer is about the incident causing a paradox with another reality and opposite versions of the Losties. and their job is to return things to normal and part of them facing their opposites covers the big Lost theme of redemption?
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will ever be explained on the show? That's kind of a big part of the dharma initiative... what they're experimenting on, why they've come to the island... I do hope the creators aren't just keeping that info for the Lost Experience...
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Shit yeah. Good to see ya man. I agree, although I probably wouldn't be as pissed as you if the show changed the past. The show itself seems to following a loop with S3 and S4 mirroring each other, and with S2 and S5 also mirroring each other.) It stands to reason that S6 will mirror S1. Jensen's theory is that the show will reboot to the 815 crash and we will see the events of Season 1 replayed in a different way. Personally that sounds pretty badass to me, but I could see it turning off some viewers.
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because hes not fucking sorry. Sometimes assholes need to be headbutted, and sometimes it takes a badass like jack bauer to fucking do it. I'm not entirely pleased about contributing to non-Lost subjects on this talkback, but it needed said. He just isn't sorry, and he shouldn't be.
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And then replay the 1st Season from Nikki and Paulo's perspective. That would awesome!
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At some point Lost is goign to have to explain the motivations of the players in this saga. I'm confident the Valenzetti equation will have something to do wit hit. How in depth they go into explaining how the numbers are related to the equation remains to be seen.
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They could never TOP what I've already witnessed in Season 1. You're talking "Groundhog Day" looping here. That is unacceptable. No matter how hard they try...they will never be able to recreate that any more interestingly than we already experienced.
Then you have the conundrum of whether they REMEMBER what happened to them as they board 815 again. If they do...then it's just a matter of rounding up everyone who got killed in the past 5 years and saying "Ana, Libby, Boone, Shannon, Marshall, Steve or Scott, Charlie, Eko...etc" You guys have never been to Hydra Island....so...I'm takin you guys over there...and you are going to sit in there until we get rescued. Locke, stay away from that fuckin hatch. When keamy and the frieghter people get here...we kill Naomi and make a call immediately from the radio tower and get our asses BACK off this island.
That's if they remember...I realize that it may be the D.I. in charge of the island, rather than the Others, due to the incident 'changing' things a bit...or perhaps it's a top secret military installation now...But the fact remains...Neither 'change' will stack up to what we saw in Season 1.
If they DON'T remember meddling in the past...then you get the Bobby Ewing in the shower on Dallas let down. It was all just a 'dream'. And that sucks even bigger dick.
I think when Darlton speak of the seasons "mirroring" each other...they are speaking metaphorically...not literally.
But "Groundhog Day", as a premise for LOST, sucks ass. Period.
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I don't remember it being that bad. If only for getting to see Jack get his ass kicked by Bai Ling's brothers it was worthwhile. Also, I thought the episode set up Jack as the Shepherd/Messiah/Martyr figure, which has obviously been dropped, unless he detonates Jughead himself and blows up with the bomb.
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might not be a huge factor anymore(as it was explained as te valenzetti equation used to fortell earth's destruction-and thus the need to change the outcome).I AM CURIOUS as to why it was printed on the hatch door though.
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I seriously doubt even if they do reboot to the crash (which is unlikely) that it needn't be the total fucking disaster you seem to feel it would be. These writers could probably make it work.
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We already found out that the numbers were on the hatch door becasue it was the hatch's serial number. It was just another instance of the numbers appearing randomly. They also appeared in Hurley's car. Doesn't mean Hurley's car is connected to the Valenzetti equation in any significant way.
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jack's tat episode wasn't bad(as i felt that this was a part of the overall mythology-and would com up aain)-but i guess it won't!!!
However, it does show us something interesting.Darlton confesses to hating this epiosde.i think it represents what LOST was before-a show with the a begiining and end idea..But the meat,the middle story,the connective tissue- was sort of made up as they went-and maybe even influenced by fan reactions.So, i guess they hate that episode as it wsn't something they WANTED to write, but something they got swept up in.But I wish there was more to the tat epsiode -
man, yuo got me thinking-
...so is that to say that the numbers were occuring naturally? And perhaps the fact that they appeared(on the car, hatch,soccer team,etc.) signifies/hints that the outcome WAN'T changed?
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I know Jack Bauer would never apologize...But Sutherland's gonna HAVE to...or else face more jail time. Brooke Shields ain't helpin Kiefer's case in the slightest....saying her slight fall was more the fault of her 6 inch stillettos, than the light "jostle" she received from the guy.
I would expect a Kiefer apology sometime tomorrow. Where it will get buried in other news from the weekend. Unless Sutherland can get a witness to say the dude pushed him FIRST...he has to apologize....blame it on a "drunken misunderstanding" and move on. I don't think Brooke is gonna say the dude swung on "Bauer" first.
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The most annoying thing about the tattoo episdoe isn't the episode itself. The episdoe was fine (aside from Sawyer/Kate canoe bickering). It's the fact that the content of it has been largely ignored that I find irksome.
What significance does the tattoo's meaning have? And why did it deserve a savage beating? What happened to the Sheriff (her being killed in the beach raid was a joke by the producers because the yconsidered her a misstep)? What is the meaning of Juliet's brand, which also appeared on a tree marking stashed supplies? this subject matter has been largely washed over and it's made that episdoe even more irrelevant. -
nice-i want to know more too-THIS is what i meant (in yest. posts)about Damon just shrugging things off and saying "HEY,live with it, not all will be explained".
DAMON....LOST guys...JUS TELL ME WHAT YOU were considering/thinking about the tat signifiace? was there any? or were you pressured to write up this odd episode...as ..(gasp)..filler?? -
aren't I?! Lol!!
I'm just saying...it would not surprise me at ALL to find our Losties back on 815 before it's all said and done...But there's only 19 more episodes of LOST left...19...after we see the two already shot next week.
That said....Even if the are back "safely" on 815 at the end of next week's finale....that only gives the writers 17 episodes to have then crash all over again...establish the NEW timeline...new villians...new mysteries...and get this thing completely resolved.
Ain't. Gonna. Happen. The writers, as talented as they are, will never be able to cram what took 5 whole seasons to happen into ONE 17 episode season.
If the "time loop" premise does rear it's fugly head...it will prolly be saved for the final episode. But I can't see them taking that 'easy' out. -
Damn no edit button!
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Whatever happens in the finale, NEEDS to be resolved in the following 17 episodes... I imagine that we'll see the incident happen and we'll get a flash of where the main people have ended up, and i have a feeling it's going to be a very very strange situation they're in, leaving the viewers to wonder WTF the entire season.
The thing about wiping out the entire crash and making everything "right" is that it negates EVERYTHING we've seen for 5 years, and it kind of makes one wonder... What's the point?
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As the bomb detonation would negate the electromagnetic energy and would simply stop the incident from happening... It wouldn't change the 1000 years of island history that has lead the dharma and others up to this point in 1977.
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He said "I saw them die". Was not specific where he saw it. I have a feeling Richard is going to witness them all be engulfed in the energy of "the incident", but what happens to them after is unclear, and he'll assume them dead.
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merely said "I saw them dine"..and he was referring to the 20th dharma hatch..the Burger hatch.
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Another wild idea, but didn't the main guy in planet of the Apes (new & old versions) make it off the planet somehow and when he got back to earth it was the same earth but inhabited with Ape people? What if Jack triggers the incident but they stay on the island with the same knowledge, but with everything different? Like Dharma is still going strong in 2007? Or Widmore is head of the Others and controling everything on the island? They have to fix everything?
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You mean the incident, not the purge. But I have a feeling you're right. He didn't seem them die but merely thinks or assumes that they did based on something he witnessed.
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S1 - Fuck! What's down the hatch and who the hell were those hobos who kidnapped Walt?!
S2 - Fuck! What the hell happened when the failsafe key was turned and who the hell were the guys in the arctic station?!
S3 - Fuck! A god damn flashforward!!! What the hell happened to everybody and why the hell do they want to go BACK!!!
S4 - Fuck! Where/when the hell did the damn island disappear to and Locke's dead?!!
S5 - Fuck! ???!!! -
Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.
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They ahve already altered the timeline of the original 1977. Jack wasn't on the island in 1977, he was a kid somewhere. So this is ALREADY an altered timeline. Do I think they will successfully 'reboot' everything and never crash? no way. too obvious.
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Dude. Jack's PRESENT is in 1977. This fact has been spoonfed all season. It doesn't matter if he was a kid at the same time in 1977.
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S3 - They've gotten off the island. The goal of the entire series until that point had been to get off, and suddenly they're off and you realize it's far from over.
And no, Hobo, I said purge because someone above suggested that the main people would go on to die in the purge. And yeah, definitely they are not going to die when richard thinks he sees them die. -
It's been such an integral part of the show, both right in the viewers face and as easter eggs hidden in nearly a quarter of any dialogue ever uttered on the show...dates, phone numbers, times, addresses, flight numbers...4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, 108...you can't just not explain that.
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except maybe a breakfast with Ben. But then, i don't think we ever actually saw her put food in her mouth then, either.
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Pretty sure Giaccinno wrote the score used for the prologue originally for Lost, until JJ heard it one day and was like, "Hey. That would sound great with the prologue", and Lindelof hears him in the background holding a call sheet and script revisions and says, "Well, shit".
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that was there in case they decided to capitalize upon it. But they haven't so far. And may not ever now. I think the theme of that episode accomplished what they wanted it to for flushing out his character and reverse foreshadowing things to come for Jack.
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if I consider changing my handle to idrinkyourMexicanCoke, would you take offense? They're just so darn good!
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May 08, 2009 2:55:45 PM CDT
The only person who truly cares about the numbers on the show
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is Hurley. If we get an answer about what they mean, look for Hurley being the one who asking the question.
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An Eko style waste of a fine character. And this time presumably they don't have the excuse that the actor wanted out. He was gone for several episodes in a row, only to reemerge with a changed theory (the constant vs variable explanation was weak), and a completely nutty plan to blow up the island and an even nuttier plan to pull it off, resulting in his death. Ah well. I also wanted more about Alpert in a supposedly Alpert centric episode. Perhaps though that has to do with expectations.
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Up above, DeeJay asked "Speaking of kids; where *are* the rest of the kids from flight 815, anyway?"They're being taken care of by cindy the stewardess with the other others. no matter where you have a group of Others, there's always a reference to another group of others somewhere else - Hydra island, New Otherton, the Temple, whatever. Where the people who need to be protected are kept safe from harm. That's where Cindy and the kids are.
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idrinkyourMEXICANCOKE!!! I am honored sir! Now go brush...don't want that sodabreath!
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What's Jack's motivation for preventing the crash? What will happen to adult Jack in 1977 if that happens? It honestly seems batshit insane to me. Unless his consciousness is transported to a specific where and when, isn't that suicide? And if he were transported like that (essentially getting Desmond powers, which we have already seen are not very safe), would he have his memories of all that has transpired? Why isn't he or anyone else involved in this scheme asking these questions? Have they bothered to think about single-universe vs. multi-universe time-travel and all its implications?
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I think the numbers are the island's way of getting the castaways back on the island. This season, we found that they were ALWAYS supposed to be there. Perhaps a wedge comes between the island and its destiny (like whatever happens in the Incident or Desmond's unique properties?), so the island employs course correction and its agents (Eloise, Christian, Abbaddon, Charles) to get people where they need to be going. The numbers are specifically linked to Hurley because he was the one that originally said the numbers over the tower radio (just a hypothesis). The numbers is what drives Hurley back to the island, and then a series of events so horrible happens to him until he ends up in Australia, where he's supposed to be. Hurley seems to be quite important to the island to, judging by the fact that he is one of the only ones that can see Jacob (maybe Jacob trusts him? Since everyone loves Hurley and he's easily gullible). So it would make sense that the obvious of course corrections toward Hurley's destiny would be the most ostensible, as opposed to say Charlie who was where he was to bring his band back together.
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A waste? He was on for nearly two whole seasons. We will see Faraday again before the show is over I'm pretty sure. We still have his three years in Ann Arbor to reveal. Characters die in dramas. Get over it.
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I would pull a Biff/Sawyer and bet on every winning game,buy stock in google,microsoft, buy land everywhere..and write a best seller entitled "Nostrodamus Jr. forwarns"
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And if it's not suicide - say he remains there in 1977 having changed his past, why does he care? He's not reaping the benefits of changing the past, his alternate universe self is.
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We have to realize that MOST of the people on the island have no idea how spacetime and relativistic physics works and the only knowledge of time travel they have is from Back to The Future. Jack's hubris is inability to want to fix things. He somehow believes if he can fix someone else he can fix himself. Add this to his newly found journey of searching for destiny, and we have a broken down and lost man. Then Faraday, the scientific authority who says "I have studied relativistic physics all my life" and tells him that everything that he has once believed is wrong and that he can change the past, Jack takes this as opportunity to please his hubris and also grasp onto what he thinks is his purpose. Same goes for Sayid. He has no idea how spacetime works and would rather not exist anymore than to live the past three years. Kate's dissent is not based on scientific theory, but our of moral considerations.
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I'm pretty sure jack doesn't have the ability to allow his consciousness to time travel.I think Faraday,Des and charlotte do.And well, 2 of them are somewhat dead.Unless the incident happens the way we think it will, and they are RIGHT next to the electromagnetic pulse..then maybe.I hope the "INCIDENT" is merely an issue with drinking american coke, versus Mexican coke.PERHAPS, the whole 'war/incident'is a taste showdown between the two...on the island. And WHY has no one though of this???
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and woke me up to tell me how not only this season ends, but the entire show. I choked him to death and went back to sleep.
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I don't mind Faraday dying, but the way they killed him off was lame, just as it was with Eko. And opinions are subjective. Get over it.
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we've seen the LAST of Faraday.He's too good of a character.I'm sure a version of himself from another time will pop-up somewhere.
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Getting pummeled by the smoke monster and getting shot by your mother when she knew she would is lame? Riiight.
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we've seen the LAST of Faraday.He's too good of a character.I'm sure a version of himself from another time will pop-up somewhere.
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double post.....sorry fellas!
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a double post with mine in between even. never seen that before.
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Pull up a chair and let's shoot the shit man. Where have you been? Please don't tell me Ann Arbor Michigan :) Chef Hurley is going to make us some delicious sandwiches made with his to-die-for garlic mayo. Here's a dharma beer man. Great to see you dude.
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Like the most out-there, public, press whores ever for a TV show? I mean.. I don't even know the names of the producers on 24, much less what they look like. I got to know Ron Moore (BSG) a little because of the behind the scenes stuff and that scifi channel special on the ending of BSG.. but seriously, I used to say that Michael Emerson was a media whore, a man who would never turn down an interview and would gas his own father to get one (heh). But I take it back.. Darlton is on a mission to out Hitchcock Hitchcock. M.Night was kinda doing that but fell from grace due to the poor quality of his last 3 movies (I kinda liked the Village though, and the gutsiness of Lady in the Water, even though it's basically crap).
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I'd pop a cap in Osama Bin Laden...before he got so good at hidin in caves....I'm thinkin 1986 should be fine. Think of the time ripple THAT would cause! No 2 term Bush, Jr....no needless 2nd war in Iraq....No economy crash.
I'd also plant more evidence on OJ. The LA cops totally botched that, am I right?
Oh...and I'd kill Rick Astley.
BTW....New, longer NON SPOILER tease of Lost's season finale just popped up. Check it here!:
http://tinyurl.com/2w4apm
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hav promised us a "not too happy' ending to the whole show...but that seems par for the course for ALL t.v. shows(except the Wire) lately.
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Yes. I get that 1977 is Jack's present, but it's also everyone else's past. This is the first time adult Jack has existed in 1977. There is no loop. And if you're eating what the writers are spoon feeding you than you are falling right into their trap.
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who is right? The island, or Jacob... or neither? If Locke turns out to be evil, and thus the island, does that mean Jack has to get in touch with the island and fuck Locke up? Maybe hit him in the legs?
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Well it depends how you look at it. I certainly have felt that way before, but then I realized that I hunt out more interviews with cast and crew concerning LOST more than any other show on television. For the casual viewer (like my parents), they have no frakkin clue who Darlton are. To us, who troll around boards like this, of course we do. I think they're as ubiquitous as Trey Parker and Matt Stone, two people who aren't necessarily looking for the limelight but their controversy and episodes require them to respond and do so. Same for Darlton. I think that there is some level of enjoyment for them, but I think, mostly, they do Q&As and itnerviews because the public demands it, there's added pressure to keep the audience asking instead of giving up, and, overall, the show demnads of it of them. I could give two shits what the producers of 24 think about what part of the constitution Jack is going to rollback next week (I think the producers are Jon Cassar and Evan Katz...or something)
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But I don't have any real knowledge of space-time or relativistic physics either, and my concept of time-travel is primarily based on movies. Yet I'm still asking these questions, and the only one on the show who seems to ask them is Hurley with his very lacking understanding. Jack might be blinded, but he shouldn't be an idiot. He's a fairly smart guy and historically a leader who weighs his decisions. I suppose I can buy theoretically that he goes from point A to point C in his thinking in this case, but I thought that Faraday episode was extremely sloppy in convincing the audience and Jack how point B worked. I guess I'll take it at face value, but I'm left wondering how much the writers expect us to view Jack as a broken, desperate man who's behaving in a haphazard manner and how much they expect us to buy him as someone who might be misguided but is still a competent leader. A realistic view in my mind points much more to the former, but I'm guessing the story is still going to angle toward the latter.
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long time dude...and...brialliant post! almost got me sir!
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Ther's nothing better than a nice refeshing, ice-cold
Mexican CULD!!! after a day of LOST discussions and jokey postings -
would be a reunion of all previously dead losties.Like boone, Sharon and preferably Ethan ...showing up-alive and well,maybe even pleading with Jack to detonate the bomb.That's mind-fuck me.
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Otherwise I'd never get work done here!
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apparently do this: Have him die in 1977, but... his past is then rewritten to where his plane lands in Los Angeles and he never goes to the island. So then he doesn't die on the island in 1977... get it? Jack is doubly alive right now.. in 1977, as a young kid and as an adult on an island. The adult version blows himself up, but the young-kid version grows up and lands in Los Angeles from Sydney and finishes out his life apart from the island (or does he??). I think this might be Jack's reasoning. I think this is why Kate said "if this doesn't work then everybody dies". What Jack is essentially doing is destroying the hatch that crashes their plane. No plane crash = everybody lives, Libby, Ana, Boone, Locke's father, and Jack himself. But what if Radzinsky just makes another hatch?
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They way that I view Jacob is that he is currently stuck, jumping backwards forwards and possibly sideways through time. His "Help Me" to Locke back in the cabin a couple of seasons ago could easily be a plea to help stop his time flashes. The ash from the smoke monster, which itself may be a course corrector, could be used to circle the cabin as to try and contain Jacob at one particular time - however it doesn't appear to work successfully.
Jacob may be percieved as a god, or a higher being, but what if he was just another guy stuck in an endless stream of timeshifts? If someone vanished before our eyes we'd think they were pretty special, so what if the big higher power was nothing more than a normal person that has succumb to the power of the island?! -
and nobody who kept on drinking what they thought was the "real" Coke (but wasn't) knew any better. ANd "real" Coke staying hiddenin Mexico for decades until tourists started drinking it and realizing "the real thing" had been secretly transported south of the (US) border! Somebody better go back in time and stop it from ever happening!
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I think how you said "historically he's been a fairly smart guy" is the point. He's completely switched over to putting faith in whatever comes before him, and I think it happened when Locke mentioned that he saw his father. Yes, historically, he was the man of rationality, man of science. Now he's going to believe whatever he believes is to be true because the only reason he is there is because he has, so far, let faith take the wheel. Jack is the new Locke. Kate is the new Jack. I agree that he's behaving in a haphazard manner, I think it's intentionally written that way (especially when Sayid says, "if you're wrong, at least you'll put us out of our misery). It's one part acting on blind faith and one part a death wish, and in my view, this season thus far has mapped out Jack's descent into misery pretty well.
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Its pretty much the US of A that pioneered the high-fructose corn syrup thing in the late 80s/early 90s, because its much cheaper to use, makes things sweeter by volume using less material, and makes the drinks last longer. I also think it jacks up your metabolism so eventually you want another one to help with the sugar-drop your blood has. Kinda hard to explain but akin to the reason why restaurants are so eager to serve gigantic portions; it makes you eat more so they sell more stuff. If you ate less portion-size you have a faster metabolism and end up eating less-volume at the end of the day, and not craving starches and sweets as much. Oh yeah.. we were talking about Mexican Coke. I believe Canada using real cane sugar also. So don't just credit El Hefe! On a side note, aspartame and sucralose (splenda) have been banned in tons of countries (Australia is one).. but not America!
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We know that when the hatch door was blown off with dynamite it had the word "quarantine" written on it... well what if it really did serve a purpose to quarantine the people inside from radiation? Lets say that infact the jughead bomb did go off, and had caused the radiation - thus the corpses seen by Sun and Locke in present day are the actual remnants of the bomb going off, killing all the Losties trapped in 1977 and infact not correcting the course. Between 1977 and 2004, would the effects of radiation ceased?
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Jacob could be Locke...from the first mini sighting of Jacob and 'help me' there were rumours it looked like Locke..
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I hear what you're saying about Jacob myabe being just another guy trapped in "time travel", but it seems like he definitely has some sort of extra-ordinary abilities, like making the cabin shake when Locke first went in to see him. We'll get the answer, i think, but Jacob will turn out to be more (or perhaps, less) than what he seems to be so far.
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and someone mentioned that Smokie does not seem to be about in 1977, before the incident..
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obviously she became a dogmatic follower when she had Faraday's 30+ years of life to contemplate course-correction. That is why she was so stern with Desmond and the ring for Penny. But here's the deal... Darlton explained Kate taking Ben to the Others as "course-correction".. so that's official. Jack sent it off course (or Sayid, or both) and Kate/Others corrected it. Course-correction that happens to the past is considered "whatever happened, happened". So here's the dealio: Jack may detonate the bomb, the hatch may be gone... but, there WILL be course correction. But keep in mind Hawking told Penny "this is the first time in a long time where I don't know what's going to happen!" So... are the 815ers meant to die in 1977? If they are.. NO course-correction. But the thread of Desmond could come in and he could do his own Desmond-preferred course-correction and fix things?
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Just about everything in the show isn't what it is originally meant to seem to us. if you take it all in the way it's fed to you each episode, you fall into the all the tricks and traps the writers are hoping to take you through. And it's an undeniably fun ride for anyone here. But after 5 seasons it's pretty safe to say that the writers' formula for revealing information is pretty obvious. it's more of the how and when something gets reveals, rather than the "what" that keeps us tuning in for more.
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or someone that's not a regular. To me its not an incredible let-down that he isn't someone we've known for 5 seasons. That would be cool, but I still think its cool to introduce him as himself, his own person. And please don't give me that "jump the shark" nonsense... Jacob as a character has been discussed, hinted, and previewed from season 1 on. Don't believe me? look up "Jacob" on lostpedia.org
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your Mrs. Hawkings post twisted my mind one too many times there at the end! But I think it makes sense and an interesting notion.
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Damn straight.
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Is actually Tom saying to Ethan "You know he'll do," or something along those lines. I'm not convinced they were talking about Jacob, as The Others don't have much interaction with Jacob (Only Ben and Richard). I'm gonna guess that Tom was talking about Ben (or maybe Richard) but not Jacob himself.
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the big 10,000 begins again...we need to hit it this time again, its our last chance to speculate cause come this time next year we will be standing at teh edge of the cliff..im going to miss Lost so much, god spares us all to see it finish
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and Dave telling us to jump
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Jin!
What a twist that would be...
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Nice job!
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Eko asked to leave the show, to work on his own film project. He also felt they had nothing else for his character. That's why they killed off his character. Know your role.
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"That fence may keep other things out. But not us." What else would he mean?
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I think what Richard ment was that he went under it in the tunnel system.
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A few well intentioned folk are juggling the idea os setting a 10,000 post goal for mext weeks season ender talkback. They, and the folks from last year, seem to forget the historical context of the original 10,000 post TB.A spoiler got posted in the penultimate talkback and after hundreds of posts, it got pulled by the powers that be here at AICN. The fan reaction was an erroneous "hey, they can't do that to OUR talkback" (No, it's their web site, they can do whatever they need to do.) So the backlash the next week was "we'll show them, we'll keep this one going until the series comes back next year. And they did and it was classic but it took that specific... incident... to inspire that sort of fervor. It's a grand tradition, now, one I'm glad AICN is willing to host for us, and there will be a bittersweet component to this being the last summer-long Lost talkback, but there's no point in setting a goal at the outset that will probably be unobtainable. Nothing wrong with 7,500 insightful posts, or 6,000 intelligent discussions of Lost theory - no point in posting dozens of consecutuve filler posts just to try to build... the numbers up to 10,000.Although, a year and a week from now, when the Lost series finale episode airs... I wonder how long THAT talkback will keep going...?
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Some really good stuff in that last episode, but then two characters make decisions that are in no way motivated by anything the writers have given us. Jack wants to blow up the island, and Locke wants to kill Jacob. Doesn't make any sense. Yes, it does make sense for Jack to want to "reboot" time and, yes, he has been suicidal, but would he really murder everyone on the island? No. And, Locke wanting to kill Jacob. Doesn't compute. Makes zero sense. LOST is an interesting show, full of cool ideas that the writers quickly forget about and never go back again.
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There are a lot of Lost blogs and web sites. AFTER 53 weeks from now, I wonder which ones and how many will survive, how many will thrive and continue, how many will vanish?I remember back when i was working in a comic shop in the '60s and '90s there was a Twin peaks fan magazine called "Wrapped In Plastic" that ran for something like 73 issues - many years longer than the series did. I wonder if Room 23 will be around for future decades as a permanent monument to Lost fandom?
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but it don't matter who, it's just getting there that counts. it's goign to take a lot to get to 10K. I know it happened once before. but that kind of thing just don't come easily. Weeks of dedication, folks.
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the only thing we really see of Tom in Season 1 is him dressed liek the Gorton's fisherman taking Walt. I think he says that line early in season 2...maybe to Pickett?
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Although it was made clear by Arjia Airlines that Locke's coffin would have to be searched, I wonder if it would be possible that Whidmore is in the silver box.
Whidmore knew Ben was leaving from LA. He knows how to get in contact with Eloise, where she is, etc. Even though they do not seem to be on good terms, Whidmore is just as resourceful as Ben.
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You can get Dr. Pepper made with the original recipe of cane sugar, the only problem is that I've only found it at locations around the Texas hill country.
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and then was closed, these talkbacks don't go past 10,000
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I ignore trolls, not pay attention to them, but I gather you're not universally beloved around here, so I'm not sure I'd trust you to spit on your dick if your underwear was on fire.
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no. nevermind. If that was true, he'd probably have been after Sawyer viciously.
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I've been thinking about that, probably keep it going. Theres always reporting on what the actors are up to. I'll probably figure out something else though. But Room 23 will always be around wiether its updated or not.
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Just ride economy and hide back there.
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He meets Jack, Locke and Sawyer in season 2 when he draws the line in the sand.
Then in Claire's flashback (maternity leave) ep with Libbys help, Tom says that line to Ethan. But since we were uncertain of Henry Gale at that time being an other, least winding out to be the current leader. We had no idea of Jacob either from the others at all. -
so as long as theres a need.
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Last years summerlong TB (Originally the "just wait until you see what I'm about to do" talkback until Herc changed the pull quote) might have had about a thousand posts more that it wound up with if several of the regulars hadn't managed to get themselves banned and all of their posts removed. Right Pa? Right, Hobo?I'm not saying next weeks talkback won't be the start of something big, but it won't be the same around here without Edshrinker...
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Yup....that's the title...really said that.
Anyways....I may have thought too soon. The dude who kidnapped Miles was working for Ben right? He and Ilanna seemed to be in league. So, if they are Others, well, then that shit's not gonna make sense then, huh? Damn.
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Besides trying to reunite with Jin Sun is also still working for Widmore and is tagging along with Locke to get the island so that WIdmore can track and find it and thus return?
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I don't think we know if the person who kidnapped Miles was working for Ben or not, but I don't think they where with Widmore.I have been wondering if Locke is in the box, but I don't think that would make much sense, b/c if Smokie could change his appearance for extended periods of time to change things, then why didn't it do that from the start?
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is named Bram and we don't know yet if he's working for Ben. I think Bram and Ilana are working for the new Dharma Initiative. I believe Ilanna when she says that she doesn't know who Ben Linus is. They also don't work for Widmore cause Bram was trying to convince Miles to go with him instead of Ben.
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has a scary amount of of viability!
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I never thought he'd be around this long, let alone have any kind of history with the island. but in retrospect it makes sense. I don't think anybody's come to the island that was just "random" and without a connection. Keamy and his crew, maybe?
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Yeah ether She has a tracer on her (Knowingly or unknowingly) or Widmore taught her how to get the island to a point wher he can return. possibly
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...doesn't scare me anymore like it used to. Before it was like who is this evil man who wants to come and hurt our island, but now, I'm not even sure if he's that evil. I think he just wants to come back for immortality like a bunch of the other characters. And really can you blame him.
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I figured Brian was with Ben because he asked Miles the "shadow of the statue" question, which is I guess (cause it hasn't been 100% confirmed) in reference to the 4-toed statue.
He then went on to say Whidmore put the phony 815 plane in the ocean. So, who knows.
If Ilanna said she didn't know Ben Linus that's odd because why would she be getting on the same exact flight as the O-6?
Was she taking him to Iraq? I could see that, but I also figured since Ben has a ton of people/sources off Island, it wouldnt be a longshot she's lying about knowing Ben. -
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How would Charles come back for immortality?
We've seen 3 versions of him in different aging stages of his life. He clearly ages on the island. Being leader of the Others, he should have known how to be immortal from Richard, but unless there's something in the journal of the Black Rock that we don't know about, I don't know how to make that link. -
but this article caught my eye. The top six boy baby names: Jacob, Michael, Ethan, Joshua, Daniel and Alexander. On Lost Alexander is a girls name while Michael is claimed by both a character (Waa-aa-aaalt!!!'s dad) and an actor (Emerson). Joshua (Jackson), of course, is that actor on Fringe. Michael's the only true "Lostie"; Ethan, and Alexander were others and Daniel was a "frighter" from the Widmore science team. Interestingly enough, Jacob has been the #1 most popular boys name for the last ten years. Who knew?
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...maybe kill himself and then get reincarnated. I mean how do we know that locke isnt immortal yet, not enough time has passed. And we haven't seen christian age yet. Just sayin.
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can be called a troll anymore. Sorry guys but I read his last posts and nothing trollish in them, the guy just contributes.He might have made a mistake few week back, but it's alright now. Sometimes you have to forgive.
Anyway, this week ep was an hell of an episode!!! Now I think the others are parasite for the island and that Richard started that "legacy". I also think he's not a "leader seeker", the whole thing about John Locke happens because he saw him in the past.
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I sort of think thats how Richard became immortal too...
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...I think someone said it early up in the talkback. Maybe he died at some point on the blackrock and when the boat crashed on the island his body found new life.
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Christian, like Locke was dead off the Island. Christian has re-appeared throughout the series, on and off the island. It's possible like I mentioned in a earlier post that:
Locke is also a spirit/smokie manifestation. Just like when we saw Alex confront and threaten Ben, she was physically able to touch Ben. Locke so far has been having the same ability. If Locke is a manifestation, the signs are clearly there and would relate that to Christian, thus granting a sort of immortality.
If Richard did crash on the Black Rock that would explain things, who the hell knows what his real story is.
Not sure if Whidmore kills himself, but even before I posted that I thought Whidmore was in the box, Al Trautweg on SL-Lost even suspects that shit.
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and the tunnels, smokie and stuff.
What if it were built long time ago by a dharma-like organization led by a guy named Jacob or Richie Pepert. They were alchemists or something so they created Smokie and started to exploit the Island. They were there before the black rock incident. -
I never really stopped to think about it before, but it's pretty odd that Keamy, a character who got as much screen time AND who actually got on the Island and interacted with others and Losties, hasn't shown up again or had any flashbacks and backstory development. No other twisted connections to anyone else in the show either. Yeah, he was employed by Widmore, but that was stated straightforward. I mean the kind of interactions like Sayid and Kelvin, or Kate and Sawyer's babymama. Or Hurley and Roger Linus' blue Dhamamobile.
That strike anyone else as odd for the writers to do absolutely nothing with his backstory at all? I realize his character was there to serve a purpose, and he did, but that's no excuse. Hell, Paulo and Nikki got backstory and they served little purpose. -
...I sure can't wait to find out though!
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Was the first leading people to exploit the Island, then came the Black Rock, and Richie took Jacob's role.
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Abetyler....where did you get that from?
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It's just thoughts I have. Check my others posts right above.
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Not sure if this was explained but:
I'd like to know how the D.I. originally got to the Island and made contact with the Hostiles, regarding doing scientific research there.
I'd just like to see the initial meeting with Richard or whoever, Charles, Eloise about the truce and then how the D.I. came in slowly and set up shop.
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Finky wrote: "I don't think anybody's come to the island that was just "random" and without a connection. Keamy and his crew, maybe?"Well, random people come and die. the island wants who it wants and anyone else is expendable.Of the original 44 fuselage survivors of 815 we were introduced to about 14, half of whom seem to have had important roles or inportant duties to perform for the island; the other half of who we thought were the shows main cast maybe had one or two things to do and then were "allowed to die". The rest of the 815 - the folks we thought of as redshirts - all seem to have died. At this point rose and Bernard seem to be the longest lived minor characters, and we're not really sue of that.Of the "Tailies", the Island needed Cindy to look after the children; Eko, Ana, Libby, etc: all dead.skippping ahead to the freighter: for some reason, Frank Lapidus seems somehow important. He was supposed to be on 815 and wasn't, the pilot who took his place was tossed aside and Frank's been brought back to the island twice now. The actual crew of the freighter: all dead. The mercenaries: all dead. The science team: even with ties to the island, Charlotte and Daniel are dead, leaving Miles. Though at this stage it's hard to completely rule out a Daniel resurrection ala Locke.Before the start of season five there was talk about the "important" new cast additions, one of whom was shotgunned by Ben, the other, Illiana, has not yet been proven to be of key importance.The French group Danielle was from, all dead. And we've devoted a lot of season five to meeting the Dharma Initiative, knowing in advance who gets his brains splattered and who winds up gassed in the purge. Needless to say, pretty much everybody on the plane that brought the Oceanic 6 back to the island - except for Frank Lapidus - can probably be considered toasted red shirts.The island is very specific about who it wants and anyone else who gets caught up in the undertow is just so much flotsam.
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...Go Magic, but REALLY GO ROCKETS!!
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all along in the "Getting LOST" TV Guide video with Matt Mitovich. Told ya.
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I was supprised that Keamy wasn't in Miles or Faraday's flashbacks. But I guess that we'vee seen as much of the frieghter ride to the island that we needed with Michael's episode.
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on the island, the dharma-like organization. Smokie 's one of their creation. That's why I think Alpert and Company are lying when they say they try to protect the Island. In fact they try to protect their privileged life on the Island. They trapped Jacob because, I don't know, maybe he's the only one who's been chosen by the Island, and to really knows its secrets. But there has been a revolution and Jacob is no more needed, actually he became a problem. When John tells "the island told me" it's an illusion, in fact he is told by smokie (or related) that's why he has to kill Jacob.
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And of course I'm joking. Still, consider this:Cindy the 815 flight attendent had a key role in the pilot episode: she called attention to Charlie, driving him into the restroom where he survived the crash. Unlike many other redshirts and tailies who died, she served a specific purpose: kidnapped by the Others to serve as caretaker for the stolen children. And unlike other redshirts, Others and random victims, she's always been protected by being in the safe zones: as I mentioned earlier, whereever there are Others, there is always some mention of there being more others "on the other island, back at the settlement, at the temple, etc." It seems odd to consider a character with so little screen time important, but all the main characters with the screen time are always put in the way of danger; Cindy is always kept away from the danger zones, almost as if the island was protecting her.Yes, I realize it's Walt syndrome: those kids she's supposedly looking after have grown four years since first seen, which is the real reason they get no screen time.But Lost has always been about mystery and misdirection, I just think it would be funny if it turned out that one of the supposedly forgotten characters turned out to be someone who was of great importance to the island all along. "Cindy fan 4ever." The alternative, I suppose,is that she and the kids have all been dead for years, perhaps wiped out off screen in a mercenary attack... But you know, Walt, Alex, Aaron - the whole business of The Others stealing babies... it was just too important at one point for the kidnapped children to just be written off as expendableDon'tcha think?
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Perkins. Damn superman.
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Sounds good to me, although one minor thing. Darlton has said that Dan is dead and no Resurrection. KNow they didn't say anything ether way about coming back as a ghost though. Its my guess that sometime we are going to learn why some come back as a ghost and some don't. Just a shot in the dark.
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Because smokie found a way to "posses" the island, it doesn't need an intermediary anymore.
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I think the last time they went with the kidnapping line was Season 3's finale where Juliet was supposed to mark the tents and she double crossed them.
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choses who it wants to get on it, why it needs people for protection?
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...and he found out that jacob was going to shut him down, so in a fit of self preservation he decided to "kill" trap Jacob and is now in complete control of the island.
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Ben mentioned the kids to Juliet over Dinner in "The Other Woman", I believe that was season 4, but I could be wrong. That was the last time that the kidnapped kids were mentioned.
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It's interesting, but Jacob is already trapped.
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Yeah, would kinda make sense. That's why Richard was like "John, can we talk in the tent over here" or whatever he said to Locke before he made a bee-line for seeing Jacob.
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Originally trapped Jacob? If Richard/Ben did not? Whidmore?
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Maybe Jacob was a special kids, he was used by the others to obtain what they want from the island, maybe communicate with it, and one day Jacob realized what were their real intentions, they locked him so they could still use him without his approval.
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maybe by smokie and richie Pepert, and another guy I assume we don't know yet.
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...the island/smokie decided that he wanted Locke, because he knows that Locke has the island/smokies best interest in mind.
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...Smokie trapped jacob because he was going to shut him down, just like what happened to HAL in 2001.
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For me smokie's not from the island. Never been a part of it. It was created to exploit the Island's unique properties.
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In most stages where we've seen Richard, he's been the most reasonable Other/Hostile. Always wanting to talk and trying to be civil.
If he was to have trapped Jacob, then it may be for a greater reason of the islands protection, but who knows. I would guess Ben is more capable of that then anything else.
I think the illusion of Jacob keeps the others in check. Look at season 3's opener. They looked like life was good and normal. Book club meetings?
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There's been a "leak" so Jacob/Island could get Christian. Unfortunately, he couldn't manage to get Locke, smokie took him first.
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...something like that.
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from before "Man Behind the Curtain" (s3):
After living on the Island for several months, Juliet asked Ben for permission to return home. Ben informed her that her sister Rachel's cancer had returned, and that Jacob would heal her only if Juliet agreed to stay on the Island. Ben later claimed that Jacob had successfully cured Rachel's cancer. ("One of Us")
Later, when Walt was being held in Room 23, Juliet told Ben that his decision to keep him there was dangerous. Ben replied by saying it was Jacob who wanted Walt to be in Room 23. ("Room 23") Episodically, he was first mentioned by name in "I Do". According to Danny Pickett, Jack "wasn't even on Jacob's list". ("I Do") Soon after, when Karl was being forced to watch the Room 23 video, the phrase "God loves you as He loved Jacob" appeared. ("Not in Portland")
Tom said to Ethan, "You know what he'll do when he finds out", implying that "he" is above both of them in the Others' hierarchy. ("Maternity Leave")
While being held captive by the survivors and being interrogated by Sayid and Ana Lucia, Ben stated, "If I tell you about the Others, you don't know what he'll do! … He'll kill me!"
Soon after, Ben told Locke, "The man in charge—he's a great man, John, a brilliant man—but he's not a forgiving man. He'll kill me because I failed, John. I failed my mission." ("Two for the Road") Mikhail Bakunin, when describing the list, said, "The man who brought me here, who brought all of my people here, he is a magnificent man." ("Par Avion") Jacob, previously referred to as "Him", is said to be the leader of the Others and the person from whom Ben received his instructions...Jacob was confirmed to be "him" In the 3/20/07 Official Lost Podcast.
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and not fucking salt, dude. "On the DVD commentary track for "The Man Behind the Curtain", Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse described an interesting relationship between Jacob and Ben, which is more of a symbiosis than a master/servant role. They stated the ash surrounding the cabin was described as a controlling mechanism, such as a "magic circle". http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob
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...is a spaceship that, sort of like in sphere, traveled to the wrong time period and got stuck there. And like a volcanic island, built up dirt and trees and life throughout time. Its almost like smokey is the sphere. A sort of ancient alien weapon/being that was picked up by the ship on one of its journeys through space/time. I just can't imagine modern humans building something like that.
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NapPark & PaBurrows... thanks for the response regarding the kids. I get the sense that this isn't going to be a loose end (but won't get touched until late next season). ToughGuy... remember Locke telling Alpert that "Jacob" sent him, during the flashback from the 1950's? Alpert got a strange look and then began showing Locke some respect. It *is* strange that none of the late-70's Others have mentioned his name in their dialog, though. You almost wonder if any Other but Alpert knew about Jacob until after 815 crashed.
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Incarnate the good side of the hostiles.
And if smokie is part of the island it implies that It can protect itself on is own it doesn't need people for it.
I really think Richard was one of the leader of the first Dharma-like organization, and he tries to protect he's own privileged life on the Island by letting pawns (ben for example) do the dirty jobs.
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When I was referring to Jacob being mentioned before, I meant have we heard Whidmore, Richard or Eloise mention him THIS season. As in prior to the purge. I dont think we have.
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They used Jacob as an interface to deal with the island and its properties.
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Sounds like a great one!
With magical "alchemists"...who "created smokie"...and how "smokie found a way to possess the island"...and..."doesn't need an intermediary anymore".
That show sounds fantastic. What time does THAT one come on? Is that on after LOST? Cuz...I'm certain you are talking about a separate show...
As none of that has ever been MENTIONED...or even 'hinted at' on LOST. Please let me know when this 'other' show is on!
BTW, Finky...I went back and counted them all! Congratulations!! Great job on being the 1,000th poster in this talkback!! Here's to you getting the 2,000th post, too! -
Who was leader of the others in 54 when Locke gave Richard back the compass?
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doesn't deal with magic.
And I assure you I'm talkin' about Lost! I' aware that I'm 90% wrong, but it's my way to find the truth.
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Well, i don't know. But it occured to me a few weeks ago that we never saw his body after 815 crashed. Jack found his coffin, but it was empty. And immediately he started seeing his dad walking around the island in a suit. We thought it was some kind of ghostly manifestation or version of Smokie, BUT- What if the Christian we've seen since the 815 crash is actually still alive? How? Well, remember how when certain people left the island, it wouldn't let them die? (Tom, Michael, etc) Who's to say that Christian Sheppard hadn't been to the Island somehow previously (recruited once by Alpert ?) and couldn't actually die in Australia. Perhaps it looked liek it, like Michael after he wrecked his car. But when the plane crashed on the island, he had awoken in the coffin and he got out unscatched. The whole thing with Clarie's on-going absence is just puzzling, but even when I first saw that episode in Season 4 where she shows up in Jacob's cabin with Christian, it became obvious to me that there's a much larger role that the Sheppard family actually plays in this whole story. And we see what's happened since then with Jack going back in time on the Island. Could the continuity have changed since Season 1 b/c of the time travel from the last season or so? Maybe. But I wonder if perhaps Christian is somethin like a different version of Richard Alpert, but originally from off the island, but found his way their (perhaps selected to be there at some point?) and eventually helped to orchestrate his son and daughter's crashing there. Remember what he said to Vincent in that Mobisode that took place just before jack woke up at the very beginning of Season 1? "Wake him up. He's got alot of work to do." (or, something like that.)
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I'm outta here. Have a good weekend. Praise Smokie, all!
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I should write a script and sell it to ABC. Who wants to work on it?
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it was that he didn't get any backstory, except what ben spoke in that one episode. I agree about the island/Jacob/smokie/midiclorian manufacturers seeming to select certain people to pick off, and I don't disagree the island obviously didn't want Keamy, though it was Ben who ultimately seemed to make the decision to do in Keamy (and somewhat rashly, at that.) (I assume the mercenaries that survived SMokie's attack died on the freighter?) Anyway, my point is that keamy, unlike all the other named characters you mentioned above, got no backstory. He was in 9 episodes, but we got nothing. Rose and bernard can't have been in many more than that up to now and we know alot more about them. I don't count the "extras" in the background from 815 or with the Others b/c most don't even have names nor play any active role in the show. they hardly interact with the cast at all. But the same can't be said of Keamy's character. But, good call on Lapidus. Although,we know he has a tenuous connection with the island and Losties b/c he was supposed to pilot 815, didn't, then got selected for Widmore's freighter plan b/c of his conspiracy belief that 815 never really crashed (maybe widmore wanted to off him b/c of that, but ultimately failed?....so far.) In the end, we saw alot of keamy, learned he was a pretty gritty SOB, but got sip on his background. We know more about Kelvin than him. I just think it's weird.
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I'll help ya
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peace gents!
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They were about to do something bad to Locke in 1954 until he said to Richard "Jacob sent me".
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Jacob has been mentioned before 815: By Richard in 1977 in reference to healing Ben, and in 1989 when Ben challenged Charles on the issue of keeping Rousseau's baby Alex instead of killing her.And, speaking of Widmore: I don't think he's in a silver box on the Ajira plane if he showed up at the hospital to check on his daughter and son-in-law after Ben's thwarted attack. Doesn't give him alot of time to get to the airport since Ben was racing to meet that flight, remember?
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Jacob was known in 1954 by at least Alpert and Widmore and possibly Ellie, when Locke namedropped him.
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if he's pulling a now you see me now you don't to Locke on the island and Hurley and Jack and Michael off the island. Christian was standing right next to Michael when the freighter blew up. If he wasn't already a ghost that would have killed him.
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I just missed you "I THINK" and "IN MY OPINION" remarks to let me know you were talkin about a "THEORY"...not something I might have missed on the show itself. I do not think yer crazy in the least.
But I don't buy alchemists at all...I'm hoping he's explained away as a scientific experiment gone haywire (non nanobot, of course), as a crazy accident...or...NOT EXPLAINED AT ALL.
Anything else for me...will be hard to swallow.
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Yeah, Locke too. I was responding to Tough Guy Rizzo asking if anyone "among the Others" besides Richard had mentioned him in the flashbacks this season. I also mentioned in an earlier talkback that people among the Others namedrop Jacob whenever their orders are being challenged or questioned. None of them seem too clear on what Jacob wants or doesn't want, from one episode to the next.
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Did anyone else feel the actor they cast as a Hostile Guard...(Not the one on the sub, the one at the camp with Jack & Kate) looked a hell of a lot LIKE Keamy? I kept waiting for Eloise or Widmore to call him "Mr. Keamy". They also lingered on his face a while longer than a typical 'red shirt' Hostile would warrant.
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It is possible to affect the past, but not to change it. Polchinski's paradox. You can change the variables, you could kill Osama, Khalid, any number of 'titular founders of 'the base'..and the Constant..the historical movement of history would continue on. Soviet occupation=resistance=mujhi's=so on and so on. From the moment the first Sov soldier rolled their BMP across the Afghan border..the die was cast. And, with closed timelike curves an event can be "simultaneous" with its cause..Your killing of Osama could trigger, be the root cause of an even more violent faction. All those things you would have change were set in motion not by just one man..but by a larger historical imperative. A force whose scope is massive and requiring of an equally counter-massive intervention to change it's course.
A pebble in the river of time...to kill a Hitler. It would take an immovable boulder to change the macro economic circs of post WW1 Germany and the rising anti-semitism and national sense of so on and such forth.
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Of course, the Keamy lookin Hostile guard couldn't be puttin his kid on the Galaga!
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Alot of us don't put the "in my opinion" or "this is my theory, only" around our speculation. Obviously its fucking speculation, since we don't know the ending of the show, dude. We're ALL speculating. Darlton isn't in these talkbacks. And Abe didn't claim anywhere in his post that he had special knowledge. He was just theorizing, like we all do. And Cheif, many, and I mean, MANY of your posts lack the "this is ONLY my opinion" qualifiers. You're just as dogmatic if not more so. What you tend to do instead (though not always) is say something like "trust me folks!" or "you'll see!" or "mark my words-POOM!" etc.
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I'm certain another "Thieve" would step in if I killed "Ali Baba" (There are 40 of them!)...but if it stops or delays 911 from happening....I'd be happy about that. I realize ONE ACT would not stop everything...and may actually make things worse...but given the special ability of time travel...at least I could say "I tried".
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It's hard to tell who's just speculating...and who's using "insider spoilers" to BOLSTER their theories. Just keepin Abe...um..."honest", I suppose. I'm sure he's a big boy...and knows I mean no offense.
BTW, Bilboe...Find ONE of my posts where I said "Mark My Words"...just one. I bet I could find more than a few of yours. ONE that I know of in particular.
There was another reason why I jumped on Abe...but I don't want to "feed" that reason any further.
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about a theory or an opinion.Everyone should feel welcome to post whatever ideas they have. And even if someone shoots their theory down seconds later it should be done respectfully. For example, I put POSSIBLY in my Theories Thwarted post above, because you could argue that Christian IS alive in the sense of being dead but also manifesting in a physical form (Didn't Miles see him HOLDING Aaron which would be impossible if he's just a ghost or hallucination?)Locke could be manifesting himself the same way Christian is and still be technically dead?Jabba the Mutt keeps saying that the Smoke Monster is nanobots even though "Darlton" have said on at least two seperate occasions that it isn't. Nobody picks on him.
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I've been tellin Jabba for months that his new website
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But I am enjoying the time I finally got write on here. Been awhile since I had time to speculate. Good conversation going. And past the new ST too. Good shit everyone!
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Is gonna rock:
www.meetup.com/LOST-NYC/
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Whether it's books, comics or web episodes clearly it will be the expanded universe where their stories are told. Is that ideal, no, but it may satisfy some of us
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I can't keep up with you guys, at all. I'm busy all day, and suddenly we're at like 1,200 posts?! Awesome. From what I did read though, just wanted to toss in that I also think its weird/disappointing we never got to know any back story on Keamy. It does seem a bit strange when you consider we know at least something about basically every character whose actions had actual consequences on the Island, except him. However, I don't necessarily think it needed it, or will ever happen. I think we got the point that he was a very driven, capable, and ruthless human being. The casting really told his story for me, the first time I saw the guy I knew he was fuckin evil. I think it also might have to do with the fact that he probably was never supposed to be there in the first place, considering Widmore forced him into the equation and smokie tried to eat him before ben whacked him. His life probably wasn't interesting or connected to the others like every one else......maybe?
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I dunno about you guys, but I have no interest in Keamys backstory. He as just a paid merc. So what if we see his recruitment by Naomi or whoever?
Stuart Radzinsky had without a doubt, the biggest douche since Keamy or redshirt flame heart dude.
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I'm really wondering if JJ didn't cop his (possible) idea from Lost in order to make it work.I dunno, but I've always thought that changing the past (or time-travel) was impossible, but the theory on alternate dimensions was more physically probable.Of course Back to the Future really contradicts that.
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He was a mercenary prick plot device who killed 2 characters (Alex and Danielle- Sorry Carl) who had plenty of future story/flashbacks left to offer simply so the writers could raise the stakes in the Ben vs Widmore plot which (so far IMO)is a wet firecracker. Did anyone really think Ben was going to kill Penny and/or Desmond? And Widmore seems less villainous and more pathetic every time we see him in the 2007 timeline. I would rather have a live Alex and Danielle in either timeframe than Keamy's daddy issue flashback where he gets sand kicked in his face, sends for Charles Atlas' pamphlet and grows up to answer an ad in the back of Soldier of Fortune to join the Freighter crew. Maybe when I finish rewatching the rest of my Season 4 boxset I'll feel differently. I doubt it. He was just a bastard. What else do you really need to know?
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man was it awsome! It set the characters up in their new (alternative world) so well. And actually the time travel was minimal. It was only used to explain how 2 characters came to exist in that world. Awsome! Great music by Michael Giachino, not really like his work on Lost, but still great!
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If Mark Pellegrino plays who everyone says he'll play, doesn't he look alot like Widmore's captive Other from Season 4? Maybe that help me stuff is because Widmore has him captive off island?
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They can feel free to throw in a Keamy job interview flashback as part of a future episode looking back at Charles Widmore and his decision to break the "rules". Not to be dogmatic to all you guys who are Creamy for Keamy, but being a)bad and b)an ass doesn't make you a badass. Sayid is a badass. Desmond is a badass. Keamy was just Radzinsky on steroids.
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seein it tomorrow! Fahhh Laaa Laaa Laaa!!!
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dogtastic!
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May 09, 2009 1:09:19 AM CDT
Its sad in Star Trek when Spock died saving the Enterprise...
by the dum guy
... oh wait, that was the second movie.
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Damn BKV knows how to write a story and create an amazing world with some very interesting characters, he also knows how to finish a story. Hope he has some influence on how this show ends
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was the dead corpse on the slab that Miles "talked" to
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Wed night/Thurs morning, right after the season finale of LOST. Check it out, maybe a tiny hint of something he knows or next season!
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He claims the night ABC airs the LOST season finale that Darlton is going to slip him (and us) a SERIES finale spoiler... thats right.. season 6. WTF?? Really? This has to be a joke. Darlton would rather tell me where they buried a HEROES writer than let loose a SERIES spoiler... ????????
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I'm telling you, is going to happen.
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May 09, 2009 2:59:49 AM CDT
Oh my god I can't wait for the finale so that..
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I can dissect it and tell everyone how horrible it is!!
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I guess nobody else remembers the "go make yourself a cup of coffee and come back" page loads?
it's been done
you know I really hope they revisit the whole "Jacob loves you" Room 23 stuff - which I believe Locke knows nothing of and I wonder if possibly maybe could be a creation of Ben's? Or was Ben a creation of... well, anyway I'm sure it's not just one of those storytelling dead-ends, like Jack's tattoo...
btw I *STILL* firmly believe Smokey will turn out to be nanobots - I don't give a shit what Darlton said - these are the same people who assured us this show will also not be featuring TIME TRAVEL, don't forget...
oh and somebody mentioned they didn't know the names of the producers of 24 - there's a good chance you may know the name of least ONE of that show's producers-
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I didn't took it bad at all. But thanks Bilboe for your post defending me. All my posts are just theories, and since no one always mention it I don't feel like mentioning it all the time. I don't live in the US so I have no insider friends of any kind, and I would NEVER ever post a theory based on spoiler I've read, 'cause I'm truly respectful towards the people here, plus I like this place, don't want to poison it. Cheif I can't figure out why my theories upset you so much, but I want to say a last thing : alchemists are the first physicists, biologists, and chemists, etc... at least their ancestors. Don't jump on me again, it would be mean. Plus you could break my neck!
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a troll Cheif, and THAT is mean, my dear friend.
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You jumped on me exactly?
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The Dum Guy then there was the time when Kirk died and Young Spock, Old Spock & Sarek did a special Vulcan chant to bring him back to life. Then there was the moment when Spock went through Pon Phar that was creepy. The Best was when Chekov had a pronunciation with to other alien races. It was great! Oh and then the other best part was when Scotty had to jump through 5 different alternate realities using the transporter. Awsome! NOT!
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it is very probable that someone already knows all the answers
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I think it would make sense for Jack to be Jacob. The Incident both throws the '77 Losties throughout time and 815 never crashes. Jack is thrown back into the past and forms a relationship with the island similar to Richard's (like slow aging,knowledge of the Temple and such) and uses his knowledge of the future to set himself up as Jacob. At some point he decides that he fucked up and starts trying to course correct everyone back to the island. So, in essence, Future Jack is manipulating events to try to fix things once again. Widmore and Ben are simply fighting over the island and are kind of mutually exclusive to the Losties, I don't think Jack would care about them other than when he needs them to recreate his past. This fits right in with what happened, happened.
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Is directly underneath the DI/Otherville. Now, I'm pretty sure that the electromagnetic energy is what is healing/slow aging folks. What if Jughead is either leaking radiation, or is detonated. Now the energy gets contaminated and starts aging folks instead of perserving them. This could tie into Walt's sudden aging and the pregnancy problem on the island. Remember, when Richard recruited Juliet he showed her the x-rays of a young woman with the internal organs of an old woman. Any takers on that one?
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Get lost you fucking homo's, only my opinion matters.
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My main problem with the idea of Jacob being Jack or really ANY of the 815 people thrown back into the past is: why, knowing what they know now, would they let Widmore or Ben run the Others? Is Jacob their leader or their prisoner? Haven't these people been tortured enough? I don't expect everyone to hold hands and sing Kumbayah in the series finale but for one of them to be just so cosmically fucked that they have to become Jacob and be trapped in a cabin while all the shit they and their friends have been through just happens all over again and there's nothing they can do about it? Maybe Locke is masochistic enough to end up that way. Jack Shephard would blow his own brains out before he went along with that. He's probably the most likely candidate though.
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I FUCK it right back into the middle ages!!!
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Not gonna spell it out for ya! And...I was in no way accusing YOU, kind sir...of having a "friend" on the inside. No worries.
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Supplanter - one who wrongfully or illegally seizes and holds the place of another.
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Sawyer has no burning desire to leave the Island and he always tries to make the best of a bad situation. And pretending to be Jacob would be the Long Con of all long cons. Maybe they're trying to make us think Jacob is Jack by tying Christian and Claire to the cabin, but Sawyer has ties to them as well. He tried to protect Claire and Aaron after Charlie's death. His tie to Christian is more tenuous but their Australia encounter was memorable enough for Sawyer to reveal it to Jack later. I would still rather have Jacob be someone else entirely but I could see Sawyer "supplanting" Jack's destiny to be Jacob by taking his place in the cabin.
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Heres a rough draft of the Watchback schedule. Let me know what you all think. In the past there were little changes made to conform to sports schedules, so let me know if something needs to be changed. I also plan on using this page for links and other things.
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what richard meant when he said he saw them all die could just be his perspective....if "the incident" happens, even the way it did and theres a huge flash of light and jack and the rest disappear and theres other evidence of an explosion or something, and alpert saw it happen, why wouldnt he assume that theyre dead, vaporized...its not saying that they all die trying to prevent the incident....i say the incident goes as recorded, or at the very least , the losties make the incident go as recorded...then flash....everyone is back in 2007 next season
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The dude above couldn't even type a coherent sentence! Or was that a regular poster here just being ironic?
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I'm going to vote for starting the watchback in a couple of weeks - maybe after Memorial Day? - so that the season finale can sink in for a short time, before we rewatch. As a school teacher, the next few weeks are the biggest and busiest of the year for me.
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..Im really excited considering I haven't seen any of these episodes since their original airings. Your dedication is unbelievable and I'm pretty sure that most people would agree that you somehow manage to be a hybrid of both gentleman and scholar.
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Who most people think is 15 by they way I write and express myself. LOL!
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May 09, 2009 9:41:56 PM CDT
I really hope Lost doesn't become Star Wars in the sense..
by billypilgrimisunstuck
..that there will be an expanded universe written by horrible writers about the origins of Vincent, Libby, Keamy and Edmund Burke. Please, if that were ever to happen, let BKV team up with Joss Whedon to start a comic series. Now THAT I would read.
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Yeah I was worried about the same thing billy. Although Darlton did say they were very selective about what they allowed to be merchandized. So I would think that they would limit it to only quality.
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So should I bump it to start begining of June so that we can have two weeks to discuss the finale?
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Just finished reading Y the last man , was brilliant
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But don't let me be the deciding factor, please! Let's just let the season finale stand on its own for at least a week before we ... go back!
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give it a week or two before we start watchback to discuss the finale or start right off?
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give it a week or two to discuss the finale before starting the watchback? There, it's unanimous.
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Ben attacks Ana Lucia at the beginning and accuses her of killing TWO of his people. She only killed Goodwin and Shannon up until then. What is he talking about?
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I think that when he said that he was refering to the tailies as a people. Eko killed at least one of them during the night kidnappings.
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Ok new one starts May 31st which gives us a week and a half and goes to December 17th for the first 4 seasons then it picks up again on December 27th with the 5th season DVD which I still need to work out. From June through September 24th we watch 3 episodes a week (Sunday, Tuesday & Thursdays, discuss the next day) and after that is 2 a week. (Monday & Thursdays).
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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we usuually get season 5 in October over here so I may have to sneak a few season 5's in there as well..haha
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what you think of star trek???
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Regarding the previously typed and mentioned...I shall compile and confound and I shall spoil you in no particular order and randomly, which of course, means... in no particular order... Arrogance, by an order of magnitude, and do not let the self-ascribed brilliance that only comes from a certain 'Flashes before your Eyes' pastiche combination of pubs, painting, ladders, insomnia and mass quantities of alcohol hit you in the wedding tackle and agates. So, begging your pardon and indulgeeness.
This whole marvelous bloody show is about some such family and children and loss, yeah? I've typed...well LOST..idn't it. Children and their folk and their hurt in between all the small spaces and the sad and wonderful, tragic and fantastical places the wee ones go in result and in spite of their circumstance.
Nirvana, Olympus, Valley of the Shadow of the Kings, Exodus, Buddha and woe is me, Valhalla, Alice in Wonderland, Narnia and Nim, Prospero and Potter and Pan and Huck and Finn, and especially Pan and...Neverland. Say, that's a nice flat... when Ben visited Charles in 4.9..where did Charles live? Kensington, London? hmmph.
* "Australia's the key to the whole game"...In 1941, Darwin, Australia was a strategically-placed naval port and air-base where some many thousand Allied soldiers encamped along with a civilian population of about 5,000. By 19 February 1942, when the largest attacks ever mounted by a foreign power against Australia occurred, the civilian population had declined to about 2000 due to widespread evacuation of non-essential personnel; women and children.
--In 1941, there was a boat and on it were children. Ellie, Charles and many 'Others' who were put to sea to escape the expected, brutal, soon to be invasion of a Mystical continent. Alas, something went a miss...a great fish swallowed them, a torpedo, a storm, a shipwreck...Salvation! An Island. "Hello...My name is Richard." Did you notice that in 1954, when the 'Others' attacked and when they took Dan, Miles and Red...most were young and... unworldly, in a Lord of the Flies type way... to and fro brandishing Arrow and Bow, and not even muskets, to diminish the chances they had arrived on the Black Rock, no mam. Bows and Arrows...not unlike the...yeah...Lost Boys. The children. Why is it about the children... and why will so many and all of them be in the season finale. hmmph.
* "Which of these belong to you"...Compass, Knife, philosophical Compass, murderous Knife...c'mon, c'mon...Compass...Compass. Whoops. Richard Alpert was wrong. Ah, Richard Alpert is Fallible. Not all-knowing and or divine...only Human..well Human-ish. How about that...
--When Richard offered John Locke a buffet of temporal determinative choices...Asked him to pick that which belonged to him, the compass did not. John Locke chose that which belonged to his eternal nature. The Knife. How many backs does he have to bulls-eye to convince you? The compass was NOT chosen by Locke precisely because it was an ontological paradox. It was not, was never... His. The Knife... Oh, yes, sir. Plenty of knives on Mystery Island.
* "Why do you hate me"... Desmond Hume is the elder brother of Daniel Faraday. I stand before the shadow of me previously typed rambles. Charles is NOT Faraday's natural born da.
--How it goes? 1) The 'Others' and Dharma are one and the some such same... How else does a whole village get built over the... 'sacred' underworld tunnels. Yeah, one of them is a control group... or an overwatch now... One is the Pearl... One is the Swan... How great is it to type that. There is more contact and rivalry between the two than shown. Wasn't Dharma going to study some such conflict resolution... some film... ah. Look, here it is... Ellie has an affair with someone forbidden... Say a Dharma gentleman named, wait for it, HUME. A Gentleman who came to the Island to do some such good works building stations and such...A man unseen yet, who left a family in the world for the promises of securing his fortune. Gods can I tell you about the overwhelming number of contractors I have met this current time who have, are, will... ah, doing the same. So, Widmore feels betrayed, alights about, beds a fair lady in the real world, and who knows maybe her name was Burke and that is why she is divorcing her husband now and that exponentially exacerbates the ill will between Charles and Ellie (who I still can't help but conjure as brother and sister)
* "Shot by who"...Juliet knew that Ethan shot John pre crash. Juliet was on Island before 815 crashed. Ethan, we well know was, and we remember they were cordial before the event. You have to feature that as a point of 'Other' dinner conversation... It might come up by Ethan that... "Heh, you'll never guess what... so I was out hunting Wild Island Boar today and I clipped a guy who said Ben made him our new leader... how about that?"
--Now, here is the thing...When Ethan rebuked John with "That's preposterous!" ...Was his incredulous disposition about John being the new Leader... OR, Ben having the ability, the authority, to promote such an... advancement? hmmph.
* "Help me"...Jacob is some such a challenge coin... like... what does a snow man smell, what lies in the shadow of... blah blah blah.
--But, yet, also... Jacob is a Prisoner. Stopping there.
* "You spent ten years funding his research"...In 5.3 'Jughead', Desmond confirms Faraday's age. By telling Widmore that he knew he funded Faraday's research for ten years before he sent him on the boat, 2004, coupled with Faraday's declaration in 5.14 'The Variable' of being the youngest DPhil in Oxford history ( the previous would be Ruth Lawrence, 17, 1989, a DPhil of Mathematics ) and mentioning he just got a grant from 'a' Widmore... We know he is will be/was born in 1978. 16 in 1994. 18 at the time of 4.5 'The Constant' in 1996. 24 when he reaches the Island in 2004. 27 when he returns to the island in 1977. How awesome is that.
--Darlton is full of caca about booting the date on Charlotte's birth in re Rebecca Mader's birth-date and that given by Ben. 1979. There will be a reason for this or they and especially Greg Nations are boo foo goo'd to breath... net $100 million and they screw that. no, sir. Just sayin.
* "How can they go on"...Zo, Michael Emerson offers, more than once, in interviews, in re the S5 finale...Who, What, Where, When, How could it be now to go on and be such?
--A ) The Kids... remember the kids. 2) Some folk are gettin on the Time train to the way back when... I mean the way back when. S1 ends wondering what is seen way down the hatch, S5 ends wondering what is seen way upon the... well... Just who is Pan and who is Tink and who is Cap'n Hook and the Statue... I guess we know who the scary crocodile is....But, and, who is the only man James Hook ever feared? hmmph.
Thursday Morning Scriptwritin indeed... My heart is Black and my body is Blue. Yep, well... get some more crazy in the next then.
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* "Hello, Miles...long time no see"...
--A coda to 4.1 'The Beginning of the End'... So in 5.14 'The Variable'... It goes... Previously on LOST, blah blah blah.
[BLACK SCREEN]
[Sound of an Accelerating Engine].
....music intro...."now listen everybody, to what I got to say, there's hope for tomorrow, if you wake up today...FADE IN.
[INT.CAR - 8-TRACK - NIGHT]
(The engine revs through shifting gears, Pan up from generic 8-track labeled in masking tape with 'mishigami'...to redline Tachometer, 108 mph speedometer, 480814...turning over to 5 Odometer)
[EXT. CAR - HIGHWAY - NIGHT]
(Headlights come over a hill and disappear behind the next, as flashing three sets of red and blue police lights crest behind...as if the cars are surfing waves...)
[EXT. HIGHWAY - ROAD SIGN - NIGHT]
(Flashing by, a road sign...Grand Mere State Park . 4 Miles, Pan up to Daniel Faraday catching a glimpse)
[INT. CAR - HIGHWAY - NIGHT]
(Tailights and music ...."a new magic land")
DANIEL: a new magic land...
[EXT. BEACH - CAMPFIRE - NIGHT]
(A young hippie is smoking a spliffie with a girl by a campfire on the shores of Lake Michigan as the sounds of Sirens draw closer...Hippe frantically puts out spliffie )
[EXT. HIGHWAY - ROAD END - NIGHT]
(Hippie hears the the oncoming accelerating hot rod...grabs girl just as hot rod smashes through Park barricade, goes airborne and lands a few feet over his head)
[INT. - HOT ROD - NIGHT]
(Faraday grabs a suit case and makes a frantic exit sprinting for Lake Michigan.)
[EXT. BEACH - CAMPFIRE - NIGHT]
(Faraday sprints by amazed Hippie and Girl wearing Geronimo Jackson T-shirt as Police cruisers arrive at scene)
HIPPIE: Hey, man...
(Faraday stops in his tracks)
Faraday: Yeah?
HIPPIE: What about your car man?
(Faraday ponders, tilts head, smiles, tosses keys to Hippie)
FARADAY: Keep it...
HIPPIE: Hey, man, what's your name?
FARADAY: What's yours?
HIPPIE: I'm Dave. David Reyes.
FARADAY: Well....David....I'm Dan. (Smirks) Title is in the console...
(Dan resumes sprinting for the Lake stops..)
FARADAY: heh...David!
DAVID: Yeah?
FARADAY: The carburetor's bad...And..And I'm not sure about the odometer...
[EXT. HOT ROD - OVERHEAD - NIGHT]
(David Reyes turns to the car, bathed in spotlights and flashing Red and Blues and admires an immaculate 1972 Chevy Camaro Z28...Turns to say thank you...and sees...POOF...NO ONE)
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I'm curious what's come out of his crazy mind, but since he typed "spoilerish" in the subject line, I'm avoiding his last two posts. As I'm about to avoid the internet entirely to stay spoiler free until Wednesday night!
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needs to be committed immediately. A, B, or C. No other choices. But the Faraday deleted scene was kinda stupid.
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you're making a "longest post" contest or what? Cheif you have to tell somethin'. LOL.
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I don't think those are spoilers but he could be right. Its very wild! Peter Pan!
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Burke is too young for Widmore, and the Hume thing would make Desmond and Penny brother/sister, who not only had sex, but had a kid. They won't do that on LOST. Shannon and Boone was it. And if Hawking had Penny with another man, how is Widmore her father? Or are you saying Hume is Faraday's biological dad? I love the Peter Pan motif though. "Lost boys"
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Do you like to hot tub in the buff? Are you moving to Oregon in a year?
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1) Yeps, NOT, Juliet Burke, MY MASSIVE CONFUSING BAD... Juliet Burke's MOM, SHE is the one gettin divorced...No excuse. ERROR. My bad, cause... I did type Burke... but, I did mention massive quantities of alcohol, I did mention it...sparklehorse, which curiously you forgot and did not feature or factor... Ah, forget that, yeah.
2. That's your dumb. Nah...re-read, Papa Hume and a woman have a boy (Desmond)..and another boy, (at least)...and then maybe what..cause Desmond said, "I had to take care of my brother'S' when my father died"..SO erase your board, and feature this... Papa Hume is married and fine and has a family... composed of Desmond, and at least one 'other' brother... Desmond's Da get's an offer and goes to the 'Island', meets Eloise... Goes Barry White and 'Let's get it on"... and then you might remember again, what I typed above...Desmond said he had to drop out of University to take care of his brother's'(more than one) when his Da died... Yeah?
As to the...do I Eddie Murphy, James Brown, goin to a Hot Tub and get down Euro Black Sea nudi nudist style..well... who wouldn't... and wouldn't you like to know, pervert. Schultz... but I do own property over Winema beach, ride Kigers and catch Salmon when I can out of the Nestuca... Are you takin the piss an failin at the funny or have we commiserated at the Pelican on liberty?
As to the 'Faraday deleted scene was kinda stupid'..well, youngling, that is just because you are to young to 1) get the referential jokiness of it... and B) have no idea who the Amboy Dukes are.
I weep for the future. The kids are not all right.
Sweet Cheese and Fries..Is this whole site populated by no one who ever had to smuggle a Soviet watch through the Iron Curtain in their pants? Ah, the wondermous of ignorant youthiness. Most Muy Bueno!
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makes me feel almost sad for the guy. Its like Jack is all alone in thinking he has to nuke the island.Yeah Sayid is helping but its going to be badass seeing Jack taking on his own friends.4 DAYS TIL HELL BREAK LOOSE!!!
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I though this owuld be a good place for me to ask for someone to inform on how you make spaces in your TB posts? Maybe I'm just a moron, but hitting return doesn't seem to work, and obviously there is a way to do it. If any one could fill me in on this I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys.
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That could have been a coincidence though.
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That could have been a coincidence though.
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To break up a long ass paragraph...you can also type . With NO SPACE between the 'greater than/less than' symbols around the p.
I did NOT read ANYTHING MacFaux wrote...on the outside chance there's REAL spoilers in there....So if yer discussing those posts...Let me know...Cuz I don't wanna read YER response, either!
I'm gonna be on a self imposed 'sabbatical' from AICN starting Monday until Wednesday night at 11pm. I just don't wanna risk catchin a glimpse of that "Fork In The Outlet" spoiler before it airs. So, you guys have fun. Abe, don't 'feed' people...even when they try to act 'nice' (that's yet ANOTHER ploy for attention seekers when we have all have agreed to ignore them). Good luck on that 2,000 post in this TB finky!!
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Ah, you peachy colored, Lockee uh Jah fruity cup. Ya have just brok-ed me heart...after all the good time love I have thrown and shown you and your site way up across 110th Street... You bark idget and go dumb and massive insulting? Ah, well, in every city you find the same thing going down, Godsdamn!
Sniff, sniff, this hurts my sub-cockle... Oh my sweet Lordy..say I am dumb, say I am (as the young above have) ...off my rock... but girlfriend... to say or rather squawk crass and simple that I would parrot Doc Jensen... or anyone. About this. Jeebus! You will be needin to look a few dozen talk backs to find the Pan... way, way, way before Doc! It is roughly the same ratio as when he started posting wise about Jinns. Maybe search that... Gods Almighty! Gods Angry Jock Itch!Well, Sugar ass pants, this is altogether, well... Ahhhhh,
uncool.
Though this world may be too much upon me... and make me more than appear a prophet of Fei hua... I don't pirate notions from another... about a TV show. What the foo foo 他媽的渾蛋... it is a TV show...Gods!
My crazy is well and truly doc'd and very much my own... perhaps some will back me up on this point you aggregating bastard.
But, in absence, here you go:
MacFaux, Google, archive.org, take your time and conjure up Brett Somers, Richard Dawson, Gene Rayburn and see who has ripped whose notions off, yeah, he should pay me... Pa, my former sweet bottomed girlfriend, I must now feature this about the bull puckey you typed... As some have called out Doc Jensen for Edgar Bergening others and my stuff up here on this site... the only site I take the time to get LOST on... I have to ask is there a monetary deal between youse? Hey, times are tough, Ah, what the hell... he needs the money, and I can do my nutty for shits and giggles. How about that... SO, 我的媽和她的瘋狂的外甥都? What is wrong with you, chica?
You owe me a shirt!
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whoa no way.
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I don't get why Faraday had to go in with gun out like a lunatic. Anybody smart would know that they are asking for trouble. I have a feeling with all the time travel shit we will see a full alive cast at one point. Probably for series final.
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If 815 doesn't crash, him being dead and all. And yet he told Locke he was supposed to move the island instead of Ben, so that he could die bringing the O6 back. So it would seem to set up Locke and Christian vs Ben and Richard except Ben now has to follow Locke, so it might be curtains for Richard. Presumably at some point Jack will side with Christian and Claire. I have a sneaky feeling Locke has chosen the wrong side in all of this. I think Jack and Ben will end up having to defeat Locke next year. I think it would be cool if Jacob is old Jack, but I don't think it's going to happen. Could the 316 metal box be what's used to instigate all the time jumping? There still seems to be more to Eloise in 2007 than we've been given, so maybe she's behind Bram and Ilana.
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I got the Dukes of Hazzard reference, a show I grew up on sir. No, I'm not some 20ish dipshit. So did you answer the question about Oregon? Seems like you said you own property there? Were you born in Pennysylvania? Ever attend the Deerfield Academy?
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bastards?!
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STAR TREK was very good indeed.Now I SEE WHY THEY left Brian K VAUGHN IN SEMI-CHARGE. lindeloff and the gang all had producer credits on star trek.Fun film, seeing it again tonight
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STAR TREK was very good indeed.Now I SEE WHY THEY left Brian K VAUGHN IN SEMI-CHARGE. lindeloff and the gang all had producer credits on star trek.Fun film, seeing it again tonight
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Who's in the temple? What's the purpose/role of the temple? Who is Titus Welliver playing?
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... and i was just wondering, when i turn 30, what sort of derogatory generalization will i be fortunate enough to get labeled with. I'd love to know from all the very wise greypubes and greybeards.
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What are you? Doogie Fuckin Howser? ;P
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the Temple is NOT for you
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cymbalta4thedevil, i'm not saying he IS alive, but the fact that he appeared on the freighter right before it blew up doesn't mean anything. People that are "alive" on the show appear and disappear all the time like that, right? I'm just saying, that that specific thing doesn't prove much.
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Charlies, Locke's, Claires, Libbys, Anas, etc. I think Christian has just demonstrated the more supernatural elements of it, and Locke hasn't, because a) it's a surprise and b) maybe he doesn't know he can do those things yet
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message delivered by Hurley to Jack was re: Locke, not Aaron. And the vision Kate had of Claire saying "don't you dare bring him back!" was also referring to Locke. I think Hawking knew that once Locke is resurrected via the plane/shoes/island mix, he would be "different" and changed and serve her purpose, which is sinister.
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It's a deep male voice, almost whispering. Who's is it? It didn't sound like Alpert, Locke, or Ben... I have a theory for who's it was, but I won't spoil
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....I just want to be like an early season Sawyer. Hanging out by the beach and protecting a stockpile of goodies, while slowly being seduced by a pre annoying Freckles.
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...Claires message being about Locke not Aaron. That really leads one to believe that Locke is going full blown Heal.
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...and maybe this only works if Jacob does end up being Locke. With how Jacob seems to be stuck in some sort of temporal time shift or whatever is happening to him. Maybe its actually, to use Back to the future logic, the way the picture slowly disappears the more that the future versions of the characters interact with the past, maybe the same thing is happening with jacob. Its not that he's stuck in some strange time jump but being affected by what the losties are doing by jumping around time and interacting with the past. And even more specifically by how locke is teetering between good and evil, his future self as jacob is changing from existing to not existing. Or maybe even who will end up being Jacob is changing by the decisions that are being made by our losties. I know this post seems extremely garbled but i'm just saying.
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Bout to get kicked off the front page
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I'll try not to break the rules anymore. Yet we could be wrong judging these people...but I won't feed anymore.
Good luck for your 'sabbatical', see you after 11pm. Namaste.
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I'll never use a rubber
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So there should be a paragraph...
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Hey if you say that it was an original idea I believe you. I don't mean any harm by it.
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a number of things that I read. I wasn't trying to acuse you of anything Macfaux.
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I just went to a LOST catch up a thon of the last five eps. Hammered. Pics here and join if ya want (if you are in the area).
I'm the rated R superstar btw,in the pics
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You are a gentleman, that is obvious, he is quite witty and imaginative, but overly sensitive and argumentative and not in a silly dioxholster way.
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to begin with so I never like to burn bridges. You never know for all I know you could be Daniel Dae Kim and he could be Josh Holloway. Just saying that you never know who you might meet on-line, so its always best to not burn bridges.
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Recently past that mark and can tell you its great. Earning money, get to do stuff you want to do and are passionate about. On the negative side you can't, well shouldn't go to work drunk/stoned like you can at uni/college.
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You are definetely an anomoly on these board, a good one though. Kind of like the Jesus of talkbacks (and this is coming from an atheist).
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Sage advice...luckily for me though, doing motion graphics, it seems like everyone i work with still goes to work at least a little bit stoned regardless of their age. Not sure if thats very responsible, but I certainly wouldn't want to go against my fellow coworkers.
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I mentioned in earlier posts that I too feel Locke might in fact be dead and, like Christian, is a manifestation of the Island.
However....
After buying 2 forty's of MGD in the bodega tonight, I looked down at a mango and other fruit and thought back to Locke eating a mango or something on the Island while conversing with IIyana.
If Locke IS dead, why would the fucker need to eat?
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Well perhaps he is not up to eating human brains just yet
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...3 days until what will hopefully be a very satisfying conclusion to a wonderful season of entertainment. Very bittersweet.
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...of who is Jacob at the bottom of that 80 ounces of MGD. Be sure to let us know what truth is bestowed upon you.
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Yeah, I got smashed at a BBQ yesterday LOST meetup and broke some dudes chair. (Only cause a chick sat on me) But I am looking forward to finale and avoiding having to pay the fucker if he shows up.
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At least I feel its the truth. And I feel other things as well....
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...I couldn't believe my Rockets were able to do what they did to the Lakers today. It was unbelievable.
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...I couldn't believe my Rockets were able to do what they did to the Lakers today. It was unbelievable.
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..the dreaded double post.
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But, as a Celtic fan, (living in NYC and I hate the yankees and love the mets) yeah, BEAT LA! BEAT LA!
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...just let him know that you're from the future and the only money you have on you is futuristic space cash. Hopefully that'll work.
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Excitement levels now, v this time last year before the Season 4 finale.
Definetely was more exicted for Season 4 finale, think there was a much better build up and momentum leading into it. Even though we knew at the end the 6 would be leaving the island, we didnt know exactly how it would play out.
To that point I think season 5 needed to set in place the direction/the momentum a few episodes earlier than it did (i.e. before the Variable).
I understand that there is a lot to tell in a very short period of time, but the season definetely needed more Faraday and Chang time.
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I swear I'll tell him that shit.
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I hope whatever happens with the Incident, happens before the show is over and has a small set up for next season.I will ream D&C at comic con if they have a cliffhanger like season 1
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Cliffhanger like, we see an explosion and have no idea what happened to the 1977 Losties ? Like the island disapperaing
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Probably grabs a lever, rather than an actual door, can't imagine the temple having modern doors....maybe thats where I am wrong, the Temple looks old but really isnt..
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Yeah seriously, I will break something if that happens. Then run right out of the bar. (and not a chair)
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But then I loved season 2 & the 1st 6 of season 3.
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from the flak they received over the season 1 finale.
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I just dont know what detonating a bomb will do or where it will leave or connect the timelines and the losties. Either way I am drinking for free wednesday night.
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I'm confused about your point. Do you think that Chang/Faraday is more what season 5 is "about", therefore should have shown up sooner and been more prevalent? Or do you just really like those characters? Personally, I enjoyed Dan but was fine with him getting capped. And there's some great stuff in eps 8-15. I slightly agree that S5 has been "slower" than S4, but that's of necessity. S5 is dealing with a LOT of the show's mythology and answering questions. It's a lot of exposition to get across.
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Awesome!
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We had beer and all kinds of Dharma labeled shit at the party.
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Think thats been the difficulty of Season 5, for me lots of mythology and history, and thats made it more difficult for momentum.
I think we should have seen more Daniel and Chang earlier on (i.e. pre Variable), not a lot more, but more. The momnentum has stepped up in 1977 with the Losties being found out and some goal, i.e. Daniels goal of trying to change the future coming up. But wished it had come a little earlier.
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It would have been nice during the Dharma time to have also flashed over to Ann Arbor once in awile to see what Dan was doing over there. But Im guessing they are saving that for a more important time and will show it all at once. I hope or like Libby, just dropped.
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Think its gone the way of Libby, though can't imagine as many fans will be asking for that as they are for the Libby story.
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May 11, 2009 1:21:15 AM CDT
Des - Will we get to see him soon or much in Season 6 ?
by miyamoto_musashi
Miss old Des, can't imagine him appearing in the final, much at all, but how will he get back into the story in Season 6 ? No spoilers please, speculation only.
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I think there's a Darlton quote to this effect. Makes me wonder, Season One had flashbacks to what the passengers were doing before 815 left Sydney. Maybe Season Six will have character centric episodes showing what would have happened to each of them after the plane landed in Los Angeles. But concurrently there's some sort of war on the island over whether that future happens. That really would bring it full circle back to questions about fate and whether surviving a plane crash was the best thing that happened to these people or not, and whether they and the island embrace each other or reject each other.
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My guess is that Desmond (& Penny) will have a reason given to them to return and he will beg Eloise to help them return. It will somehow involve Walt (since Darlton has been hinting at him returning to the island) and Widmore will probably figure out a way to secretly come along.
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way to keep it in the top 10 over the weekend. I don't know what to make of MaxFaux's posts, but they make for intriguing (sp?) reading. Attempting to decipher his code (if there really is such to be deciphered) is half the fun. Kinda like watching the show. And I do believe we'll see Desmond again.
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kind of missing the slower pace of the s1-3 episodes? Don't get me wrong, loving s5 but it does all seem like its on fast forward. Some of the character beats just get dropped in without any time for them to settle, like Chang meeting Miles, or Sayid getting on board with this "lets change the future" thing. Saywer, Juliet and Miles aged 3 years in one episode, and besides getting together and getting Dharma jobs, we haven't seen anything of that time. I never thought I'd miss the so called 'filler' episodes but I wouldn't have minded a "lets have a ping pong tournament" episode or something like the Hurley van ep.
This shortened seasons are great in terms of plot, but I do miss the old LOST sometimes.
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... included some "new" and returning characters. I'm *not* going to say any names, but I'd like to ask a question.
Do you think we've actually seen a listing of all the returning characters that will appear in the episode or, maybe that "Darlton" is keeping a few casting cards hidden in the sleeve? Maybe some true surprise returnees?
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Yeah I do miss the slower pace, but I love the fast pace also. I actually liked seasons 1 & 2 when it was September to May with reruns. But this is good also, just sucks having the huge break.
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I was watching the new script girl (for the info) and she mentioned that Matthew Fox just got brought onto a movie about an assasin who runs into a botched job and in order to find redemption feels he must kill all assasins.
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they went to the past just to return to the present next ep.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061814/...dude, NOW we know what the INCIDENT is.you're welcome fans!
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Since more than a year ago, in development. It's still listed as "in development" on IMDB. No worries. He's done an entire season of LOST after he was signed up for Billy Smoke. Scriptgirl is way off on her timing, or, the project is moving forward alot faster now.
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The Widmores left Australia to come to the island Faraday was 17 at Oxford, youngest instructor ever Faraday was fathered by Eloise with Desmond's dad Locke is basically a Peter Pan type; the Smoke Monster is the Alligator, and Jacob is Capn Hook. The 815ers are the Lost Boys. Let's see if "MacFaux" is right.
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I wasn't worried about Foxy's mortality rate on Lost. He's been in Racer, Marshall and a few other movies and still hasn't been killed off. Both the theories that a character gets killed off because of a movie/show and/or DUI is very silly.
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May 11 2009 http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421
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will be like the end of season 1 with fans angryly asking whats in the hatch?
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sounds like "fearful symmetry' from WATCHMEN-which is something Lindeloff and BRIAN k.Vaughn chatted about with glee in an isue of Wizard like 1.5 years ago.
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Questions about thee origin of the compass and about the comic-con video.
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come on....whaaat's in the hatch?!
Shut the fuck up..you piece of shit...no! no! no,no,no,no,no.
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why the numbers are being broadcasted in 2007.
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Desmond inside drinking a Mexican Coke and yelling about how it was "The Real Thing!" Or, no, it was Mexican Coke that Kelvin finally left the Hatch in search of! or, wait, maybe that's what jacob wants Locke's help with - obtaining a Mexican Coke. ok, done with that...for now.
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But that audio has been out since Saturday early AM. on spoilersblog. For some reason ABC only posted it today. Thanks though sir.
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they weren't being broadcasted in 2007, that was the plane flashing through different time"zones" before it landed in 2007
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I'll bet that what Desmond was really drinking when Jack & Sayid found him in his boat shooting his gun off in the season 2 finale. Mexican Coke! Also I'll bet that McChutchen is really another name for Mexican Coke. That why Widmore wouldn't give him any and why Hurley & Charlie used it to get info out of Des. Also that was really how Ilana was about to capture Sayid, because he was under the influence of MexicanCoke! In fact when Sawyer met Christian in the bar I'll bet they were drinking Mexican Coke!
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Thanks, why didn't you post about it then?
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That was the 1980's when Danielles group arrived.
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because people don't like that website here. I expected you knew about it because you link it on room23 sir.
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Not the Ajira plane. I don't remember who's voice that was.. may have been Danielle's
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That was funny when Darlton joked that Jacob was a giant fire monster and that "The Incident" was originally called "The Bucket Bregade"
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a friend of mine listened to the podcast and actually came away convinced that sayid and lapidus are total bad guys... ........ ............. eh
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If I can get it on Room 23 I try to link to that, but both DarkUFO & ABC video/Audio are made so that you can't embed it onto a blog. I missed it when it was placed at DarkUFO so ABC was the first time I saw it. I try to be omnipotent like Jacob, but alas some stuff excapes me.
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But I could see the Sayid part.
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... I'll Be so super pissed if he ends up bad. Im cereal you guys. Why don't you just slander a few more of my heroes.
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listen to the podcast
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...you cant make ME!! Stop!! ...HELP ME LOCKE!!!
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when Sayid came out the water in the Temple tunnels just doesn't like this show enough. If there is a major death in the finale (?) my moneys on Hurley. The Losties are gonna need Sayid's perfectly timed acts of violence if a conflict is coming.
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...there's only one man I call to get the job done right.
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...ooh god my world is crashing down around me. Black is white...up is down....WHERE ARE YOU LOCKE!!!
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...You gotta remember to put one in his BRAIN. Your first shot puts him down, then you put one in his BRAIN. Then he's dead. Then we go home.
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I love Sayid and I loved that scene and I think that Darlton was just being silly with their whole good bad discussion, but maybe? But my spoiler free guess for the death would be Hurley, Sayid or Juliet. They have all had at one point in the seasoncharacter stories that have been pretty conclusive. Hurley with his parents, although still need the numbers, Sayid with his work for Ben and Juliet with her Dharma time with Sawyer. Although if 2007 Ben were to die (I doubt it) it would be nice if Sayid did it.
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...Like how many characters can they keep killing off. I think it would be more shocking if no one died and they just gave us a really wild U turn or revelation or anything really.
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Vincent has 3 votes and The Smoke Monster, Bram & Phil and tyed for second with 2 votes each. so go and pick two characters or if you don't see one that you want on the list write it here.
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..Esque camp fire seen with an ethereal bluish hued charlie and hurley laughing it up while they drink mexican coke and sing songs of times past...
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...i voted for smoke monster. Do you do those in illustrator?
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So do I, but death is what keeps the stakes high.
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...so that you can break them down into sections and animate them into funny little lost shorts with after effects.
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Yes, blue pencil then Adobe Illustrator.
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Yes, blue pencil then Adobe Illustrator.
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I have to say that if it remains a 3 way tye for the second one that I would probably go for Smoke monster over Bram & Phil. I like Bram, but would rather save him for when I do Ilana. But that my two cents. If enough people vote there might even be two other chioces.
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brilliant, pa
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pardon if I missed this in a previous discussion, but why no Ben Linus among the choices for character designs?
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I haven't had time to put him in the side area yet. He's somewhere on the main page archieves if you search. But thanks for reminding me, I need to add all of them. I've done, Hurley, Eko, Charlie, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Desmond, Widmore, Locke, 4 versions of Claire (regular, Claire with Aaron, Goth Claire & pregnant Claire) Danile, Miles & Frank Lapedus. 15 Im currently coloring Sun, Jin & Juliet. I decided that I had to do Richard next, but couldn't figure out who to do with him. (I like to do 3 at a time).
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I kind of have a thing for Claire.
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I saw all the others, but some how missed the Ben Linus. Great work on these. No one can blame you for a "Claire crush."
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Not being able to see the Lost final to Sunday, as I will be travelling to Taiwan for a trip or that I have never yet tasted Mexican coke.
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I heard a rumor a long time ago and was wondering if it was true. Is it true that way back when Coca-Cola was first made that it actually had a tiny bit of cocane in it? Not just real sugar? Or is that the "Mexican Coke" that your talking about?
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Yes, coke used to have cocaine.
No, they're really talking about the sweeter version of coca cola sold outside the US.
To my great disappointment, I have a funny feeling Jack will succeed in closing the loop and next season will involve a bunch of amnesiatic would-be losties feeling strangely pulled toward each other by a series of coincidences. Maybe they'll all end up on a plane together by the final episode. Poom. Boo. -
I am starting to think, what is going to happen at the end wont be as intricate, complex etc as we all think, as all the theories are suggesting.
Per the podcast, time travel stories are over. Also per the podcast and other recent comments they arent going to answer all our questions, i.e. The Island's origin will remain a mystery.
I originally thought it would be a loop ending, with Jack waking up at the end, but this has been dismissed.
I think the main mysteries that will be solved; is why this group of people are on the island and important, and about their purpose. Recent comments from TPTB have definetely reinforced that this is about the 815'ers time of the island.
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it might be cool if season 6 started with Jack suceeding with erasing the last three years and what would hapen from there and them somehow without knowing it being drawn back to the island, but that would kind of be a repeat of seasons 4 & 5.
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So when all is said and done do you think that everyone will complete their mission and be able to go home, have a need to stay on the island or some will stay and some will return?
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You don't have to respond. I'm just posting it here just in case.
Firstly, this week Richard Alpert said to Sun that he "watched them all die." Meaning Jack, Kate and Hurley and the Dharma people. I think that means they did it. Jack succeeded and Flight 815 doesn't crash. I think the first episode next year will begin with the landing in Los Angeles and the rest of the show will be how their lives played out in the year that followed. Maybe Charlie dies anyway by ODing, Shannon and Boone in a car crash, Eko gets gunned down, etc. Anyway the bit I'm predicting is that they land and the season is all about their lives in 2004 (and beyond) as if the island stuff never happened because it doesn't/didn't.
So what about Sun and Locke? I dunno. They cease to exist? Sun can be explained because she was supposed to be running away anyway. Locke, no one cared about. Or maybe when time catches up to them boarding 316 they both just drop dead because you can't be in two places at once. *shrug*
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May 11, 2009 9:56:39 PM CDT
"I like Bram, but would rather save him for when I do Ilana."
by billboefett
"I like Bram, but would rather save him for when I do Ilana." -Paburrows. He said it.. I didn't
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"maybe when time catches up to them boarding 316 they both just drop dead because you can't be in two places at once" We saw Locke a few feet from himself, watching himself.
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both those Lockes weren't the same Locke. One was older than the other. Sun in two places at the same time in 2007 would be the same exact age right? Like Locke and Richard, the 2007 versions, were looking at Locke and Richard the 2004 versions. But if Sun were in LA, let's say, in 2007 and on the island in 2007, then the same Sun would have to be in two places and that can't happen. Maybe. I think that's what I meant.
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Weak Bilbo. It was 2007 when they heard the numbers. Explain it. All I ask.
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I think I get what you're sayin there. It's very interesting!
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Who's voice was doing the numbers? That will help us settle this. My theory: the plane was flashing through different times, 1977, 2004, 2007, maybe other ones, and then they eventually landed it. At one point before landing, they heard the numbers because they were flying through a time where the numbers were still being broadcast. That's ONE theory, and it wasn't necessarily originally mine, but I just found it as well on lostpedia. Another theory is that the timeline has been altered and Danielle never got to record her voice over the numbers (over Hurleys voice). Some of the theories are pretty cool, check em out: http://tinyurl.com/cmx2vn
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You want to scroll down to the section that says: "The Numbers during the Ajira Crash Landing" to see em.
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It would have to have been that someone between 2004 - 2007 switched the tower message back on for some reason or another.
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enough attention. When did he do this? Sometime between 1977 and 1988 when Rousseau arrives? When was the radio tower built? Did Rousseau record the numbers in 1988, and then the timeline was changed, so Hurley had to re-record them in 1977 or 1988 and now in the new timeline Rousseau's voice is never heard? Would the 815ers in 2004 turn on the radio and hear Hurley's voice and go... "WTF?!?"
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http://tinyurl.com/cl9etv
Listen very closely to how he says "23" and then "42"... you almost expect him to say "dude" after 42. There's a certain vocal inflection his lips give when his lips make the "2" sound at the end of 42... rhymes with the exact sound when he says "dude" the "ewww" of the "two". And the "23" has that exaggerated lip-pursing that he does, very Southern California. It's Jorge Garcia. He's trying to lower his voice and sound somber. -
"This is an example of perfect LOST irony. Sam Toomey was stationed in the South Pacific, he heard the transmition and went home and used the numbers and went crazy. He then said the numbers in the hospital that Hurley used and then went crazy. Hurley looks for origin of numbers in Australia, ends up on the island (leaves island and comes back)- jumps in time and somehow (yet unexplained) has to leave a transmition of the numbers, that Sam Toomey ends up hearing. That is SO lost. Crazy!!!"
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to think that, by that theory Bilboe quoted above, Hurley could have essentially caused himself to end up on the Island. But since in what we think was the "original" timeline for the 815s on the island, it was not necessarily his voice (or was it) that Toomey would have heard way back when, wouldn't that contradict the "rules" of time travel Lost would seem to have established thus far? I dunno. I think I lost myself in that thought....
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Happy Birthday to Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt
http://lostroom23media.blogspot.com/
and I put all of the completed Lost designs up in the sidebar area of the Muses page.
http://lostroom23muses.blogspot.com/
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I've read in various places over time that one of the original formulas of coca-cola did contain traces of cocaine but it was very early on (possibly still inthe 1800's) back when the product was still marketed more heavily as a "health" beverage to aide bodily ailments rather than quench the thirst of a red-suited Santa, st-t-t-tutering Max Headroom, or cutesy big-eyed polar bears. You live in CA, right? Check costco for them. I just recently spotted them in 24 packs (though not for the "medio liter" bottles, but something closer to 16oz, but in metrics.) They are really, really an improvement in taste over the current blandness of artificiality we get in the USA.
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billy club thing and all. Pa, how about a group shot of the 815ers huddled around blue VW van and cheesing it for the camera, with Hurley at the wheel holding out the skull of Roger Linus ala Hamlet and "alas poor Yorik!" Christian Sheppard can be materializing from behind the van to sneak a peek at them. Ok, I'm getting back to work for a while...
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Vallarta or other big-name Mexican-oriented grocery store. They also have the mexican import of sprite and pepsi.
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If you don't make sure you keep up, you are really lost as to what is going on (albeit on a daily and not weekly basis).
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Mixed, some will return, some will stay, some will die.
To stay : Jack and Kate
To return home: Jin and Sun, Des and Penny, Juliet.
To die: Sayid, Hurley, Sawyer, Ben and Miles.
Already dead/zombies/whatever they are, but to stay: Christian, Claire and Locke.
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are both out and feature cane sugar-no HFCS. So don't just limit yourself to Coke!
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way too much story left to tell with Hurley's numbers and Ben and all his mythology, Annie, the island, etc.
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And is in reference to the end of the series speculation and not end of season.
Agree, think Ben will last to near the end.
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What about Frank?
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Im posting some sneak peeks of “The Incident” at Room 23 that Biblo so kindly alerted me to. Im trying to figure if they belong on the main page or Spoilers. They are scenes from the episode which would make them spoilers, but its the same clips that Herc always posts every week at the top of the talkback and you have to push play to watch them (no acidental watching). So what is all of your opinions. Main page or spoilers?
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nor the future.
So far everything is happening the same as it happened, I mean young Charlotte has been warned by the "twitchy bastard" and quit the island, Baby miles and mommy have been kicked out, Hurley will end up broadcasting the numbers, and probably Radzinsky will be locked in the Hatch pushing the damn button, because of, IMO, Jack and his "let's nuke the Island" thing.
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THat makes sense, I noticed last week that without watching (or being tempted to watch) those clips, the episode was really surprising.
So I think you should put that in the spoiler page. -
May 12, 2009 1:28:48 AM CDT
Main page, unless the screenshot gives away something obvious
by miyamoto_musashi
i.e. A 60ft fire man, holding Sayid in his hand
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May 12, 2009 1:30:06 AM CDT
Frank - completely forgot about him, the former Kenny Rogers
by miyamoto_musashi
Will return back to the world, safe and sound
So thats my guess Pa, how about yours ? -
We're not forced to watch, I admit it, but some of us are weak. :)
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I'll post them on the spoiler page and put a post on the main page saying to go to the spoiler page for the 6 clips. Ok by all?
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labeled as "sneak peeks", anyone should know what they are getting into if they decide to watch them. Unless there's a still of the statue facing the camera revealing it has the face of Libby on it!
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Indeed it's a good compromise.
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When you upload them from YouTube you can't really label them, you kind of take what they give you. Well there is a way, but its more work for me. So I'll go with my compromise.
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May 12, 2009 1:55:59 AM CDT
Oh and maybe the final scene of Lost , but hopefully much better
by miyamoto_musashi
Will be a 30ish year old man sitting in his seat, in the cabin of a futuristic looking plane. The Pilot's announcement comes across "Welcome aboard flight Flight 423 to Sydney, Australia, my name is Captain Abrams and I'll be your pilot for the flight...." When the man is bumped by an attractive Asian Girl sitting next to him, "sorry" she says, "its ok" the man says and then continues "you going to Sydney for a holiday ?", she replies "Yes, and you ?", he quickly comments "Returning home"...then an awkward pause as they both look ahead, the man turns to her and gives an awkward smile "Sorry, let me introduce myself, my name is Aaron", she responds with a smile, "Nice to meet you Aaron, my name is Ji Yeon".
*POON* ...LOST
Yeah not well written but you get the point. Not exactly a Loop ending, but kind of reflective and its about passing on the torch to the next generation.
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They are up now http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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To stay : Jack, Locke, Ben, Rose & Bernard, Jin & Sun, Des and Penny, Miles
To return home: Kate & Sawyer, Frank
To die: Sayid, Hurley, Juliet
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To stay : Jack, Locke, Ben, Rose & Bernard, Jin & Sun, Des and Penny, Miles
To return home: Kate & Sawyer, Frank
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My main thought with Jin and Sun, and Des and Penny leaving is around their kids and this will be the driving force to get them to return to the "normal" world.
Kate - could go either way for me, most uncertain about her. Frankly she annoys me, and besides a bit of fun can't see what Sawyer and Jack see in her. -
I mostly kept Jin & Sun on the island and for that matter Rose & Locke because of the fact that being on the island they became firtle, cancer free and able to walk. Plus Locke just kind of belongs there. I agree with you about Kate I can't see her with ether guy, but it just a hunch, but the quadrangle will probably not be around for much longer. My guess is that she'll leach onto Sawyer. As for Des & Penny that also could go ether way, but he seems to be at one with the island to some degree like Locke.
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so tiny you would have to drink so much of it that your stomach burst from all the acid before you even got close to high from it, but it's there...
the chemical process used to extract it from the coca (leaf) gets almost - but not quite - all of it so a tiny tiny tiny little fraction of a percentage remains
until they decide to change the formula and stop using the coca leaf and the kola nut, it will continue to have trace amounts in it -
IS A COOL DUDE!~tis all!
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with ALL the living LOST members dead, and all the past DEAD losties alive(cept Ecko)..so sharon,boone,ethan,charlie and such are the charcters for season 6.Don't be surprised id Locke appears to them, holding a glass bottle and saying "Ahhh, Mexican coke-MUY SABROSO!!",fade to back.
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where'd everyone go?
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I really AM going to modify my handle to include the Mexican Coke reference. I just have to remember how to change my handle on this kakamamey site.
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that is all
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i cant goddamn motherfucking wait till tomorrow
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does come from that trip with the Mexican coke?
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does come from that trip with the Mexican coke?
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do you mean where did it oringate? you sir, must read the talkback to answer that one!
Let's just say it involved some customs trickery, a funny puppet named "malo gato" and a slew of funny talkback posts! -
this talkbaCK IS TOAST!!! you fellas-paburrows, fain, droblivion,hobocode,finky,let's see if you slow-ass bastards can beat me to the # 1 post in tomorrow's talkback!
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...and will see you tomorrow on the field of BATTLE!!!
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till then old friend!
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i shall choke you till u fade away. watching LOST is bestiality. die forever
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...IF I choked you would you fade away. Listening to you is Boringality. Dissapear already whydontcha
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..for coca cola and doesnt agree with the reintroduction of Mexican coke into our taste conscious talkback.
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I first came to this site during season three as I was scouring information and met some really smart interesting people in these rooms. I would like to continue doing talk backs, just, well, why is everyone so shitty to each other, there is hardly anything good or worth reading lately. I miss hearing good theories and seeing excited fans. What's up?
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...seems like a lot of good theories and hardy banter back and forth. Diox is the exception to the rule and brings out the worst in people, well me atleast.
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Ignore the few bad seeds, there has been great discussions. Just scroll up and see for yourself.
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with some predictions for the finale. We'll see the statue somehow, the incident will happen as always (ie. the future will not be changed), we'll find out Claire was in the Dharma house with Sun and Lapidus in that ep earlier on, Hurley will die but in doing so will cause the numbers to be broadcast, we'll see the inside of the Temple in all its TV budget CGI glory, and Locke will kill Jacob and become the 'big bad'of the series.
Not based on any spoilers, just my guess and wishlist rolled into one. Whoever it was who said the whole "you're not supposed to raise him Jack" refered to Locke and not Aaron I think is right on the money. -
...that we'll be building up until the end of the finale with the bomb about to explode and somehow the bomb is going to be sent back in time where it will explode, which will be what destroys the statue and im guessing everything that was around then. And when i say sent back in time I mean way back in time.
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who like to jerk off to naked donkeys all day.
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has gone the extra mile with a donkey at one point.
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..I think it was Billboe who said that about "dont you dare bring him back" was refering to Locke not Aaron, and I totally agree.
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...and it's time to stop acting like a child.
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then Claire and Locke are the two sides of the upcoming 'war'. And we know Locke is off to kill Jacob. But then again, Jacob did ask Locke to help him. Aarh I don't know, Lost makes my head hurt sometimes. For some reason I think Ilana and Bram are somehow on the 'good' side, but again have absolutely nothing to base that on.
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...lock vs jack, but then it's like if it's locke vs the shep family, did christian help locke just so that he would get him off the island. Maybe figuring that once he was off the island there would be no way he could figure out how to get back. Im with you though, my head hurts almost as bad as the time I tried to watch stargate sg-1.
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unlike LOST which is slow and dull. stargate is why they invented TV in the first place. take a good look at that cool new video showing the awesomeness. http://tinyurl.com/qkewnd stargate is what separates us from the animals. LOST is what makes us animals.
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...highly evolved animals, I'm glad Lost brings me closer to the tit of the mother earth.
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Its so great, what with half the cast of Farscape, all the day players from BSG and other cheap Canadian actors wandering through the forest pretending its another world. Its great for a drinking game, down a shot everytime you're reminded of a superior past production. "That guy was in X files", "he was in First Wave" etc. You'll get wasted. And I like that the special effects, writing and acting is so substandard, I find that comforting. Its like they didn't really concentrate making it, so I don't have to think too hard whilst watching. I like that. Besides, all the best TV shows are based on average sci-fi movies, Total Recall the series, Blade, Clone Wars, Sarah Connor (T3,not the first 2). They're all classics.
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in writing: its now nominated for a nebula award alondside The Dark Knight and Wall-E.
Special effects: it was nominated for lots of awards and was refered to in Tom's Hardware as the standard TV special effects quality that they use to measure off and compare with video games.
actors: are all top-notch and some well-known
stargate is now a franchise, LOST is not, once lost goes bye bye it will leave u forever. -
Something to think about, Back in season 3 Ben asked Locke to kill his own Father. Now the tables are turned and Ben is following Locke because the Smoke Monster told him to. What kind of things might Locke ask Ben to do? Do you think that Ben will really follow orders? Has Ben proved himself to the Smoke Monster or still has more to do?
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"Special effects: it was nominated for lots of awards and was refered to in Tom's Hardware as the standard TV special effects quality that they use to measure off and compare with video games."
Like Pong -
I voted for Smokie and Tom...we always need more Tom.
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...Lost is a work of art that should stand alone on its own. It doesnt need to be watered down for 10 years just so that it can slowely become irrelevant. Its like why Ricky Gervais never does a show longer than 2 years. The creators are trying to create something special that has a specific story arc already decided on, not just continue to milk the property by throwing in new characters hoping to continually "keep it fresh". In the end what it comes down to is taste. Some people like you diox, are fine probably reading maxim magazine and listening to nickleback and consider that fine journalism and ground breaking rock and roll music.
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...conceptualize smokie pa. It's going to be really cool.
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Yeah I was trying to figure out how Im going to do that since it has no form, but can grab stuff. But I have some ideas.
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Spot on re Ricky Gervais.
In an idealistic world don't think a TV show would go past 100 episodes or 5 series. To this point we see more idealistic approaches in comics like Y The Last Man, or Transmetropolitan. -
how the fuck did you know that i like nickleback? u must have an interest in me more than i thought. stargate is too cool for you anyway.
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...and when I get home from work I'm going to spank you for being a little whiney brat and being such a dissapointment to your mother.
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But its doesnt feel like a Lost TB, without him, with BSG finished and Lost next year, wonder which show will be "lucky" enough to get his attention.
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...normally I just ignore the trollish type, but he seems like hes really looking for a friend. So I'll roll around in the mud a little bit with him, if it keeps him from shooting up a public facility. You know...you could say I'm sort of a hero...yeaaaaa....a supppper HERO!!
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That was an awesome Fringe finale!
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Detox is like our little pet, sometimes he pees on the rug and ya gotta smack him on the nose, but its fun having him around and hearing his Stargate stuff.
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slow news WEEK, considering this TB has been in the top ten consistently!
I mean.. S.Darko straight-to-video review??
no wonder people feel the need to come in here and talk about other stuff - like Stargate, for example
they just need to have a Mexican Coke and smile (and shut the fuck up!)
jus kiddin (or am I?) nah really, wahtever, some of us just don't give a fuck -
Haven't been actively searching for them this year, but it seems much quieter than previous years.
Specifically the absence of a Lostfan108, and a very detailed synopsis.
Is this because a) people don't want that level of spoilers or b) because the Lost gang are now running a tighter ship ? -
...It's sort of like russian roulette with the way people try to tempt fate with spoilers. Like I think people like the fun of searching around and hopefully finding out a little something, but when they get the whole finale synopsis it's like shitttttt....what have I just done. So I think most people now just figure mine as well just wait and watch the episode instead of ruining it like I did last time.
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I know one big thing and a few minor things, but for the most part there just haven't been a lot of spoilers this year. No synopsis anyways.
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If you read what was on the newspaper, it's amazing to speculate about. Check the Fringe talkback.
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Ok, so I had to cough up dough for the group for the chairs. Dammint.
Wonder what time the finale post will be put up tomorrow. 10,000?
lets do it fuckers! (if the finale rocks, that is) -
Well, it was a fun week of speculating. I'm gonna buy a forty of MGD now. Be back inna few. Go Celts fuckers, lol.
great game! -
http://lostroom23muses.blogspot.com/
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The calm before the storm perhaps
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I figured the Peter thing about 3/4 into it. I noticed during the first time that Walter was in the grave yard that the tombstone behind him said Sarah C..... (can't remember the whole last name) Probably random, but I wonder if it ment anything?
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See you guys in a new TB tomorrow night. Or maybe not. I have a work dinner to attend tomorrow evening (bastards!) and may not actually get to quench the Lost thirst in "real" time. Can I possibly avoid spoiling the finale for myself? Will Diox go "all the way" with a donkey while watching Stargate reruns? Will Ben turn to Locke at the end of the show and say "Congratulations, John. You've done everything exactly the way I wanted you to. Well, almost exactly." He cracks open a Mexican Coke, then "Good bye, John." and he pops a cap in John's forehead and leaves him to be incinerated in a huge explosive Incident. Poom! Cut to Black.
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I don't think you'll have any trouble pulling off Smokie, if it wins one of the slots.
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R.I.P. Peter Bishop! BTW, were those coins from "the other side" ?
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we have a drinkin showdown, you and I. every time Jack huffs like he's out of breath, I'll drink some Coke. Everytime someone asks a question, but is interrupted by someone else before it can be answered, you drink some milkshake. Everytime there's a nosebleed, we'll know Diox got donkey-punched in the nose.
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I have to last till Sunday, as I will be travelling, will have to avoid the internet until I see the show.
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One hour recap show, two hour season finale - the final season finale!Oooohh... LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST lost lost lost lost LOSTlostLOSTlostLOSTlostLOSTlost.yeah, I think I'll watch it...
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Might have missed it but why the name change, were you banned and if so why ?
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May 13, 2009 3:24:59 AM CDT
Ah, yeah, i remember you saying that now, Miyamoto
by idrinkyourmexicancoke
in reality, i may not get to it until the weekend, too. Work is kicking my ass this week and I'm pretty much doing it every night this week when I get home...which will include tomorrow. I'll keep listening to my Season 3 Lost score to comfort me until Season 4 arrives and/or I get to see the finale.
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oh wells. tomorrow IS another day!
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Happy Lostday, everybody.LOSTlostLOSTlostLOSTlostLOSTlost. Ohhboyohboyohboyohboy. Stuff is gonna happen...LOSTlostLOSTlostLOSTlostLOSTlost...LOSTLOSTLOSTLOSTLOSTLOSTLOSTLOST!!!!!Hey, I'm just sayin'
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buenos good mornings! love the name(i imagine that's fink!!)the race is on!!
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I was unable to log in as Napoleon Park, then a week later I was unable to log in as Pancho Strait, my secret alias. Worse, I was unable to create a new ID/account from my home computer for several weeks. I even e-mailed the powers to ask to be reinstated and they replied, but their described process didn't work for me. Eventually I was spending a week with friends during a lead abatement procedure and used their computer to create a new account (or two). Actually, the shows the thing and LOST is great even without the discussion afterwards... though all the speculation and chat is great fun. Though lately I only log in to a new Lost talkback AFTER the episode has aired. Because somethings are too good to be spoiled. Sorry this wasn't interesting, but he asked.And, no, I have no idea why Napoleon/Pancho got bounced. Maybe I said something inappropriate about ScriptGirlfriend, but I really would like to see her do an episode from inside a walk in cooler some time, y'know?
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you sir, are jsut plain gay.that's all i'm going to say bout you,so shut your shit and get the fuck to another talkback.I'M SURE YOU GET BONERS FROM THE ATTENTION,but frankly...your worthless.
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like the art dude.I draw as well, and love alot of your rough sketches-and the final designs.very nice.have you done a S.M.O.K.I.E. one?
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like the art dude.I draw as well, and love alot of your rough sketches-and the final designs.very nice.have you done a S.M.O.K.I.E. one?
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and well, i was shocked. The fork in the socket is literally a 2 hour clip of all the LOSTIES putting foks into the electricasl socket in the hatch....2 words...super-wow!
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the longer it can stay around during the summer.
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Here's a Lost sketch I made - http://tinyurl.com/puu9e4 (if you can find the easter egg, you win nothing!)
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that from the intelligence level of your posts, that you are simply too stupid for Lost. Don't worry, a lot of people realized this after season one and moved on. Lost is for the more advanced intellect. Now run along and play with your Pogs.
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May 13, 2009 10:23:40 AM CDT
Is a "fork in the socket" the same as "a knife in the toaster"?
by finky089
just wondering... We know that it's been said the socket stabbing is coming tonight. Just wondering if it infers that somebody's gonna get fried, or just tryign to dig something out of an electrical hole with an inadvisable tool (Ben uses the crowbar to try and dislodge an old Lean Cuisine from behind the donkey wheel?)
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Well if the fans chioce poll stays the same with it closing tomarrow Im going to design Smokie & Vincent along with my choice Richard. Both have 7 votes with Others Tom at 3. So unless theres mass voting today for someone else I think its pretty safe to say that Smokie & Vincent are the winners. Do you have a blog for your art? If its Lost related you can always put it on the Muses page.
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Besides the fact that both the season 1 & 5 finales involve the Hatch they also involve carrying explosives in order to blow up the hatch (well hatch/hatch door but close enough) and if the tunnels are the refered to cerebrus vents then both had that also (Locke getting drug into the vent almost).
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almost like season 5 is retreading familiar ground, but in reverse. perhaps another clue that Season 6 could "mirror" season 1?
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May 13, 2009 10:38:43 AM CDT
whoops forgot to put on my new Lostback handle
by idrinkyourmexicancoke
Coca-cola sabrosa! Aye!Aye!Aye!Aye!Aye!Aye!Aye!
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SHOUT out to FINKY/1drinkyouemexicacoke-fucking awesome! and,paburrows...no no...im super duper old fashioned..draw my hand.went to an art school for high school.have never posted anything online(sadly).JUST tipping the hat, like the art.
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i love the "dislodging the lean cousine" because sadly i have a lean cuisine in my freezer from 2 years ago..SWEAR to GOD!
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Anyone know if Jin and the '77 losties still come out of the Temple in 2007 all old and shit.
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Anyone watch it yet ?
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listen to your LOST scores on CD to keep the hype up and help pass the drudgery of the work day. It's what I'm doing right now!
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Watched the season final, another hit from Short titled TV shows.
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trying to resist it anyway. Did you listen to it?
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C&Dof course did not reveal anything significant
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May 13, 2009 11:16:03 AM CDT
Abrams has a thing for short-titled shows, huh?
by idrinkyourmexicancoke
"Felcity", "Alias", "Lost", now "Fringe". I'll even throw "Superman" out there since it supports the trend, even if I didn't particularly enjoy it.
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May 13, 2009 11:22:33 AM CDT
thinking back on a discussion here yesterday re: spoilers
by idrinkyourmexicancoke
I think it comes from both the fan and the production sides of Lost. I wonder if people are digging less for them now because we're on the short end of the stick. I mean, before there were multiple seasons left and alot could happen. Finding out about something in an upcoming episode might spoil it momentarily, but there were always many, many left to be enjoy unspoiled, if so desired. With only one season and a 2 hour finale to Season 5 left, there's still alot of air time left, but alot less now than when previous seasons were ending. I think the folks that have stuck with the series this long want to enjoy the dwindling number of remaining new episodes. Alot more energy going toward speculation among fans instead of people digging for answers that they might want revealed "naturally" in the course of enjoying the show. I'm sure the approach of the final season and the episode leading into it is as great a cause for Darlton and others to be even tighter lipped than in previous seasons, which could also explain less "leaks."
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May 13, 2009 11:23:45 AM CDT
just musing randomly to keep this going til a new one is up
by idrinkyourmexicancoke
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Thanks Man
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We dropped off for a minute or two
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could just mean the finale will be "shocking". Which is what we've heard from many cast members. But after the "frozen donkey wheel" actually being a frozen donkey wheel, who knows? Well, all of us after tonight!And Pa, if those are the three you're drawing next, I ask that after those 3, you make Others Tom a surething for the following draw session.
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I think my first post in today's LOST talkback will be as significant as planting the flag in Iwa JIMA, as significant as the first walk on the moon, as signifant as Locke snapping open an ice cold Mexicano coke and high-fiving the terminator(who happens to be chomping on a slice of Pizza HUT'S finest).it will be epic.
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You know that when he went back to the "real world" to recruit Michael, and he had his swinging pad of things to "indulge" in, he had a case of Mexican Coke chillin in the fridge.
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he did.selfish sumbitch! TOM,I WILL raid your sorry-ass fridge, and I will drink yuor sweet sweet soda.And you WILL weep like a lil child.I will laugh, BUY another 6 pack(with your credit card) and continue all over again!It will not be MUY SABROSO (for you!)
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Arturo got him hooked on the stuff!
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Drink them up, I say!
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let's keep this post alive!
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what IF they don't post a talkback for tonight's episode? remember last season? when lindeloff and cuse were pissed about someone (on this very website) giving th SHOCK ending to season 3's ending?maybe the same thing happens? AUDIBLE GASP!
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May 13, 2009 12:12:50 PM CDT
Why The Wait For The Finale Talkback?
by theenderreturnstosmiteoncemore
PUT IT UP FUCKHEADS!
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not like there's hype out there that people might be excited to chatter about and help drive AICN's precious traffic count.
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With or without the beard? Maybe I'll do a set of Others? Tom, Ethan & Mikail? I need to do an old Eloise, maybe middle age & Old?
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We haven't even gotten the results of this set yet.
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i guess I will keep this t.b. alive
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Question... remember the bottled messages that Michael, Jin, Sawyer and Walt had with them during their less-than-successful raft journey? Well, if the messages in the bottles basically "returned" to the surrounding waters of the island back in season 2, could those bottles have remained within the island's perimeter while it shifted back to 1977? If so; is it possible that, even with time corrected by Juliet and crew, the messages traveled into the now-corrected timeline (but were too far from the bomb to have been damaged by the blast)? Or, maybe there were only about 5-6 bottled messages that might make it into the course-corrected future? Whatever the case, could these messages eventually lead someone to the island (and explain why some of the letters' authors have seemingly had targets on their backs since 1977)? Just a thought. After all, if Jin could survive the freighter blast and be moved back in time...
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