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Nolan brings a BATMAN villain onboard his next flick INCEPTION!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. No surprises here. Christopher Nolan is gathering a great set of actors for his next film, INCEPTION. Already in the cast are Leonardo DiCaprio, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Michael Caine, Ellen Page, Marion Cotillard and Cillian Murphy.
Now he's gone and added in Ra's Al Ghul... Ken Watanabe joins the cast, playing a villain in this one, too. Borys Kit at HR has a few details, saying that DiCaprio will play a CEO type and Watanabe is blackmailing him.
Also added is Tom Hardy, who most will probably remember as the evil, young and sick Patrick Stewart Picard clone in the abysmal STAR TREK: NEMESIS. He's done good work, too, never you worry. I liked him in ROCKNROLLA and LAYER CAKE.
I guess all that's missing is Liam Neeson, Eric Roberts, Aaron Eckhart and Tom Wilkinson for a complete reunion. Thoughts?
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It's going to be celebrity scout fest. But I trust Nolan. He's the Pixar of directors.
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I was first. Irrelevant to my personal solace, but I suppose worth mentioning nonetheless.
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Although here's hoping Watanabe's role will be somewhat larger than it was. ;-)
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...than it was in BATMAN BEGINS, is what I meant to say. It's late.
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... wasn't Liam Neeson the real Ra's Al Ghul? C'mon guys. I can't even remember Tom Hardy's role in Rockinrola. I remember enjoying that film, but I've forgotten about 95% of it. I remember there was a lot of shit going on, that's about it.
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can't wait to see this film. looks intense.
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I know they haven't worked with Nolan. I know they didn't work on Dark Knight. But I also know they haven't worked on anything lately, so it would be nice to see an extended connection that gives some people in need of a paycheck a bit of work. Clooney is doing okay on his own without my endorsement.
Oh yeah, let's throw in Alice Kridge (or whatever) who played the borg queen in First Contact. That'll make it multi-layered. -
He not good enough for you, Nolan? The guy won a fuckin' Oscar!
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And I'm sure he wouldn't mind the money.
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Fine cast & a talented film maker. Now make this and round off the Bats-Trilogy, Nolan!
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Nolan has knocked everything out of the park so far. Even Insomnia, probably his weakest film, is a lot better than many other directors' best film.
Nolan + Sci-Fi + this cast makes me pretty goddamn giddy. This is going to be amazing. Best of 2010? It's not a stretch. -
I do find myself wondering if Nolan is giving JGL a "trial run" with a view to recasting the Joker. The guy's one of the most impressive up-and-coming young actors, and he looks eerily like Heath...
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AICN posted with Michael Caine last week, he didn't seem to know that he had been cast....
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May 05, 2009 5:51:28 AM CDT
Dicaprio is at the point where he can play any part
by menleavingfactory1903
He always does a good job, but he also always looks like a fifteen year old boy. If it had been announced that he got the role of Julia Chile over Meryl Streep it wouldn't have been a surprise.
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shit that Joseph Gordon-Levitt guy really DOES look like fucking Heath Ledger..... incredible.
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BB, the Prestige, TDK & this. Must like the cockney old git
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May 05, 2009 6:06:32 AM CDT
I'd love it if Nolan declined making the next Batman...
by knuckleduster
...by stating "Fuck this 'trilogy' bullshit!"
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...I'm gonna call it now and say one of those four will pop up in the next Batman flick. Even if I'm wrong, he's managed to put that post TDK cred to good use and brought in an awesome bloody cast.
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Not in this but in a future project. Jackman would also be great for the Bat universe, but due to Wolverine it's highly unlikely he'll appear. Pacino or Williams for Bats 3? Williams would be excellent casting.
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Something quarkilicious I hope! Maybe "Molly Lollygagger" or "Otmeal Muffin" or "Armchair Liberal".
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The credibility Nolan earned by working for Christian Bale has given him the ability to recruit great talent. It shows the power of Bale's love when you praise and obey Him.
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I wasn't gonna bring it up when someone else mentioned that Nolan has to "complete the trilogy" earlier in the TalkBack; but since you did it for me, I am now! I guess people like threes, but the thing about the idea of the "trilogy" is almost always a fallacy in that 1) the third film almost always sucks, even when it's planned in advance... probably, in fact, because the filmmakers feel obliged to provide the audience with a sort of artificial sense of closure that hinders the story. Oh yeah, and 2) there's almost always a fourth film. I know Warner Bros. is gonna try to give Nolan truckloads of money to make at least one more film in the franchise, but I'd personally be stoked if he turned it down (while simultaneously understanding how it'd be an offer too good to refuse). I just have a feeling Nolan's take on Batman won't ever feel more complete than it did at the end of The Dark Knight.
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says that every movie is better with Eric Robertsi.e. Wolverine would have been better if Eric Roberts had been in it, as who I don't know, but it would have been betterThe Expendables will be better because it has Eric Roberts replacing Ghandiif Nolan wants to continue making good films, he needs to cast Eric roberts more often
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..if he filmed 120mins of Michael Caine picking his nose.I am sure he could draw gripping tension and heartfelt pathos out of a conflicted Caine deciding where to wipe his finger. The big reveal, of course, being that HE HAD ALREADY DECIDED TO EAT IT BEFORE THE FILM BEGAN!Oh, and anyone who didn't enjoy The Prestige should try my new patented no-oxygen diet. Great results guaranteed! For the rest of us anyway.
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As so aptly demonstrated by every single one of his movies.
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May 05, 2009 7:02:00 AM CDT
It obviously doesn't take one to know one, cossack_says_die
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
As so aptly demonstrated by your inability to spell genius.
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Just sayin...
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has seriously proven his chops with Bronson.
It is a serious, oscar-nom worthy performance!
cant wait to see him hit the big time now, mainly because i am a biased relative! (but i am not biased towards his performances... he's done some shit, some good, and now 1 great role.)
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I bet Nolan could make it happen.
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You know it was good. All TNG movies are good. All.
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May 05, 2009 7:51:19 AM CDT
neeson was Ra's al ghul in Batman... cmon quint get it together
by the_one_man_gang
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Nolan can do no wrong so far.
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He is wonderful in everything.
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I could have sworn he was all "Yeah, hadn't heard about Nolan's new one, cuz I'm not in it?" Guess not. WTF is this about, anyways? I've heard the name a billion times, and pieces of the cast a few. That's it.
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do you have a source saying he's been cast?
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Michael Caine - "I’m not in it, obviously"yeah, obvious to anyone except AICN - and this was said in an interview with Quint himself!
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40803 Good interview though Quint - shame you weren't listening!
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Like he was going to start doing a Two Pack.
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also played a villain in Batman Begins, never mind Ken Watanabe.
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I liked her in Juno and even in X3 but I've yet to see her really step out of that whole cutesy, ironic-intelligent-girl role.
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If Watanabe's back, it seems obvious that the decoy has continued posing as Ra's Al Guul in order to make some money. Sounds like a reasonable side plot, but not enough to drive an entire movie. I'm still crossing my fingers for a Se7en-style version of The Riddler.
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May 05, 2009 9:03:23 AM CDT
If Ellen Page plays Commissioner Gordon's daughter Barbara...
by royston lodge
... I'm gonna plotz.
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Ledger is also missing for a proper reunion. And Nemesis wasn't that bad.
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I thought those were casting announcements for the next Batman flick. Gawd, I'm a moron.
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Nolan hasn't made a bad movie yet, and even his extremely low budget debut Following is much more well made than many directors biggest budget endeavors.
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Saw him in an episode of Numbers the other day and it struck me straight away the resemblance to Heath Ledger. Funny thing was, it seemed like he was actually playing his character like Heath Ledger's Joker, with all the mannerisms etc.
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Now watch as Talkbacker, AsimovLives (aka Memories-Of-Murder), flies into this thread to dump unhealthy amounts of I-wanna-blow-you-styled praise on Christopher Nolan.3...2...1...
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he would have been a poignant villian in 3
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Nolan reunite with Guy Pearce. not necessarily in *this* project, but something in the future would be nice. hell, throw Lord Bale in too for good measure... although, from the standpoint of awesome, we'd be reaching critical mass at that point.
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That kid can do no wrong. If anybody could reprise Heath's Joker, it'd Joseph.
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...my only complaint about TDK.
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So many refer to Star Trek: Nemesis as "abysmal" or "terrible." I tell you what - you watch a couple seasons of TNG and then watch Insurrection and Nemesis back-to-back, and you feel more in tuned to the characters and you like Nemesis more for that. I didn't like it so much the first time I watched it - then, I rewatched it and actually loved it!
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Nemesis was hardly "abysmal".
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and i really want to see this movie.
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was Dent really dead at the end of TDK? Stretch out with your feelings. Also, personally, I thought Ron Perlman was hilarious in Nemesis.
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Imagine what he could have done were he still alive? Yes, I know I'm beating a dead horse... but... oh well...
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Gotta keep you honest, Quint.
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Quint you lost cunt.
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When did Joseph Gordon Levitt become universally loved? "That kid can do no wrong." "The guy's one of the most impressive up-and-coming young actors" What's he been in that means his "name in the cast sells me a ticket"? Is it 3rd Rock? 10 Things I hate about you? Angels in the Outfield? That underwhelming bank robbery flick? I'm not saying he's a bad actor, but what's he done that's garnered the cock gobbling that goes on at this site?
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He was in Batman Begins too.
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May 05, 2009 10:42:33 AM CDT
I have to start shouting it from the hilltops...Ben Foster is th
by coolhanddave
Watch Alpha Dog, 30 Days of Night, and 3:10 to Yuma. He's got the chops.
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see above.
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Don't forget he is playing Cobra Commander. I find it a little odd that everyone here is just saying to recast the Joker. First off, don't unless it is for a 5 minute scene in Arkham. But Joseph Gordon-Levitt did play never to Heath Ledger in 10 Things I Hate About You. As for Ellen Page and range, I'd say watch Hard Candy. And Ben Foster is a very good actor, but no fucking Joker.
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May 05, 2009 10:52:40 AM CDT
I_am_not_the_droid, it was probably "Manic" or "Mysterious Skin"
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And that underwhelming bank robbery flick was awesome. Levitt's a great actor.
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Kid's done some great stuff. "500 Days of Summer" sounds like another winner as well.
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Angels in the Outfield. JGL TOTALLY owned in that role, cementing his meteoric rise. gimme a break... kid's good, but you all are praising him like Bale before it was cool to hate/blaspheme against the Great One. let's at least wait to see how the "highly anticipated" GI Joe turns out first, eh?
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But unfortunately with Van Der Sar around that's not going to happen anytime soon.
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May 05, 2009 11:13:18 AM CDT
Actually, he is kinda like Bale. Different types of roles...
by flickchick85
But similar track record. Cheesy shit when he was younger (minus "Empire of the Sun"), great indie roles, a few bad movies here and there. GI Joe can be his crappy blockbuster ala "Reign of Fire." Or "Shaft."
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I saw Hard Candy before Juno and I've also seen Smart People. What range? I've also seen her on talk shows and she's exactly the same, meaning she's been playing herself. No acting to see here, move along.
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Toby McGwire as a middle management kiss-ass. Lucas Haas as the guy who works in the mailroom. Kevin Connoly as the manager of the bagel shop in the lobby. And, of course, Ethan Suplee as the heeeelarious, bumbling security guard.
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Mark it
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won't happen in a million fucking years..have you listened to Nolan talk about Ledger and how much admiration he had for it. Ledger was Nolan's ONLY choice for the role..he was the ONLY person that he even considered..they threw away the treatment for #3 when Ledger died..no Joker in the next one...Catwoman makes sense more than any other villain because of the Bruce Wayne/Batman - Rachel Dawes storyline.
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A typo is when you mistype something. You make spolling mistake or leave word out. A fact is a fact.All I did was correct a mistake, point people to a rather good bit of Quint stuff and, yes I admit, try and make Quint look like an arse while I did it.If that isn't a good days work by your standards then for heavens sake don't ever get a job at my place. Or drink in my Pub.
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DiCaprio = Riddler / Cillain Murphy = Scarecrow / Ellen Page = Harley Quinn / Joeseph Gordon Levitt = Joker / Ken Watanabe = Ra's al Ghul 2nd in Command
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Ben Foster is AWESOME, but the only Joker I'd cast is Gordon-Levitt.
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AsimovLives is that intergalactic cockbag? Fuck no. I thought he was gone forever.
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...Jarv-o. It appears that teh power of Bay's TRANSFORMERS 2 compelled him to make a timely return to AICN.
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She already looks like a little boy.
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I agree, JGL would be an Ideal replacement for Heath as The Joker for any future Batman films. Let's see how he handles his Cobra Commander. But I am confident he would ape Heath perfectly(after all, thats what the studios want anyway) and Tom Hardy's Best work by far is BRONSON. "Now THIS is a piece of ME"
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but Leo needs to chill and make a comedy.
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What the frig, AICN? Do I have to get to the bottom of this myself?
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I hope this guy is smart enough NOT to play The Joker. Apart from the payday, what would be the benefit to him to have to imitate the performance of a guy whose shadow he's already lived in? The only person out there who could take over the role of The Joker, deviate from Ledger's performance, and NOT be killed by audiences and critics is Johnny Depp. Everybody else is doomed, including Gordon-Levitt.
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If the guy wants to revive the sci-fi genre- cut him a check and let him do his best. And for fuck's sake, let Nolan's brother write the script (professional). No more fucking around- we DEMAND the best TREK possible.
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He seems to bring back almost everyone else he worked with.
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It wasn't like you can RECOGNIZE Heath under the Joker make up and his Joker voice. So it doesn't matter if Levitt looks like Heath.
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well played, flickchick85... my selective memory almost completely blocked that turd out. thanks alot.
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put to rest the "Levitt as Joker" nonsense. Ledger did as much with the character as can be done (in a non-R film). let's bring in ol' Bane for 3 and call it a day.
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Seriously. Is there a more cartoonishly pointless villian in Batverse besides her? Even still, I really like the Catwoman character and thought Pfiefer was superb in a rather corny movie (we don't discuss Halle's "movie" here) but my point is that the character has no place in the Nolan Batverse. Don't get me wrong, seeing any number of hotties in the trademarked black vinyl (another reason it wont happen, 'trademark') is never bad thing but it just has no place in Nolan's Gotham. I always see these Nolan or Batman related TB's and always people clamor for Catwoman in the 3rd entry. Why? Cause chicks in black vinyl are hot? Ok, granted, but that's speaks more of a "you should get laid" then "it's perfect for the next Nolan Bat's flick!!!" dontcha think?Catwoman would be in McG's Batman and then we could all drool over Moon Bloodgood's tits or whatever but when story edged with realism (gritty or not) matters most, you stay pretty clear from the more intrinsically flamboyant characters that would be difficult to bring to your screen in a manner not self-mocking. If Nolan puts anything close to the historical Catwoman in the next one, it would be an expert "cat" burglar not unlike Ocean's 12 "The Night Fox" but there's no way in hell a thief would wear shiny black leather or vinyl much less draw any attention to herself, etc...the point is the essence of Catwoman is Catwoman. The essence of the Joker is chaos or psychosis. The essence of Two-face is betrayal and twisted justice in the form of 'chance'. The Penguin and the Riddler are still somewhere in between cartoon and realistic and I think lend themselves for the next villain...but for Nolan to give us a new villain with all the visual trappings but without the co-requisite madness, it would be something I think they wouldn't even consider.Of course, if anyone could do it, it'd be the Nolan boys who do but I think it's a big risk and the general risks of doing the third part of a trilogy (at this point) is far more critical than putting in a villain that actually impedes the process of creating a worthy third picture.Me toosense.
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But it would have to be in furtherance of the plot. TDK shows that Nolan wants real criminal enterprises to be the focus of the series. BEGINS was a bit more fantastic in its treatment of a terrorist attack, but TDK was straight crime drama. Following that trend, I think if Catwoman was someone involved in or integrally connected to a realistic crime scheme, she would fit into the movie just fine. So, her outfit has no tail and she doesn't wear a bra and leather pants, that's fine. Catwoman is a cat-burglar. She woulc be decked out in an all-black outfit and maybe a mask for flair. It could work.
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That's the type of character Catwoman could be in the next Batman movie. And that ass... wow.
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...is a fairly logical choice for a Bat-villain in Nolan's film universe. We've already seen a "real-world" take on her (the dominatrix-prostitute-turned-burglar from Year One), and with Rachel blown up, the films need a female lead who can promote the movie in Cosmo and the other womens' mags.
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and would bet against anybody who thinks she'll be in the next one. I would take the same bet against Riddler.
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"the films need a female lead who can promote the movie in Cosmo and the other womens' mags." - Yea, that's exactly what they need and will definitely be foremost in Nolan's mind as he makes preparations. Good call.
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Phillip Hoffman as the penguin. Have him play the penguin almost like he did MI:3, only with a mafiaso-edge. It'd be perfect. Cast Vinnie Jones as Bane and have him be a psychotic, brilliant murderer with extreme physicality. Who is hustled in by the penguin to rid Gotham of Batman. Include some great gritty fight scenes with Bane and Bats. BB and TDK had their themes, so maybe use a theme of duality, mainly Batman finally having to resort to lower measures to deal with the harsh enemies of Penguin/Bane, plus the cops being after him.... Make him fight with himself ala Spiderman 3/Supes 3....only do it right this time. Maybe allude to Joker pulling plot-strings from inside Arkham, maybe a throw in a twist ending of everything being run by the Joker from inside...and end it on that. Case closed, Nolans Batverse is ended on the promise of "We're destined to do this forever"...just inside our own heads, so no needless aping of Ledgers happens.
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Sorry, didn't mean to bring up such horrid memories.
That said, I agree with you about JGL as The Joker. I don't expect Nolan to every re-cast Joker, and I definitely wouldn't WANT him to do it for the next one, especially. If he did, JGL wouldn't be a horrible choice I suppose, but I'm not convinced he would be the best choice, either. As others have pointed out, it doesn't matter in the slightest that he resembles Heath, because even Heath didn't resemble Heath in TDK. -
Coincidentally, there's already mock-up posters on internet of Marion Cottilard as Catwoman for new Batman 3 movie. Perhaps Nolan will see these and consider this option... I'd prefer Ellen Page personally, reckon she's more psychotic. Plus Levitt is an excellent actor (see Mysterious Skin & Brick if any doubts)--if i had to have a Joker to replace Ledger it would be him. Though, i think Catwoman as well as possibly Harlequin are my favoured villians for a sequel.
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...no, just kidding. Everyone else can show up if they want to.
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Aren't you guys sick of it yet? I'm all Soprano'd out and don't want anything to do with more and more and yet even more mafia story lines. Eric Roberts was perfect in TDK and they didn't shove the whole "Hey look! Itallian-American gansgters! You love it! Look! Like Sopranos!" (Sopranos parallels Buffy the Vampire Slayer: I still love how Sopranos became this great crime/family drama when it basically began as a tv version of that shitty Billy Crystal movie 'Analyze This'!".It's like Star Trek and time travel...bout as new and original as...well...movies about the mafia!
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You guys bring up some good points but how cinematically boring is a female cat burglar in the Nolan Batverse when you think about it? How is it worthy of Batman's (or Nolan's) attention cinematically? It's like putting in a love interest in the next Bats flick, it's so traditional knee-jerk a plot device that it's apparent mandatory necessity must be questioned and thank the cinema godz that Nolan appears prepared to do just that.Catwoman would have to be 'larger than life' (think escalation) and for a female cat burglar to be larger than life, where else is there to go but some variation of the classic Catwoman and I am 100% certain that that particular Catwoman has no place in this franchise.Now, as for Catherine Zeta Jones, she would have been infinitely better than Halle Berry in CW even though nothing would have saved that movie. And yes, her role in 'Entrapment' is a good place to start for Catwoman but again, it's a regular old hi-stakes cat buglar who happens to be a beautiful woman. All things very interesting in Ocean's 1X movies or real life but not necessarily something to "escalate" the next Nolan Batman movie.I think Nolan may surprise us and not put any of the classic and expected villains next. No Catwoman, no Riddler, no Bane, no Penguin either....personally, I can't wait for the surprise! (outside of being surprised that Nolan isn't going to do it and the studio is getting Rattner or McG instead).
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...and Doctor Who will be better because it has Eric Roberts replacing the Master. Oh, wait...
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"..it's so traditional knee-jerk a plot device that it's [sic] apparent mandatory necessity must be questioned..." - I've been thinking this all along in regards to Catwoman (and even Riddler/Penguin). The fact that EVERYONE considers Catwoman and/or Riddler "mandatory necessities" should be enough to really make you take a hard look at WHY people have those ideas and if there's anything wrong with them. Perhaps we're still stuck in a 90's Bat-franchise mindset?
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I'd be fine. As long as he does the third movie, I'm fairly confident it will be exceptional.
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And here I thought just anyone could see the talkbacks, when visiting this site.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS UP YOUR ASS TODAY? I guess you don't know sarcasm, or playful teasing, or a joke, when you see it, huh?
Did you even bother to notice that I wasn't the first nor the last guy to point that out?
Quint, or anybody at AICN doesn't need you to cup their balls.
So I hope that at your place of work and/or your pub they have a nice box of Kleenex with your name on it, because the only person not up to standards today is you.
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We are talking about the little brooding girl that puked up the stripper turned hacky writers cutesy dialogue?
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I agree. I saw this and thought the exact same thing. Except I don't think Nolan would recast the Joker, but make Gordon-Levitt a different villain. There are some photos where Gordon-Levitt reminds me of Heath. Thin and angular, and can go to the dark side convincingly (Stop-Loss), but also is very gifted with comedy (500 Days of Summer).
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Tom Hardy rules in Bronson
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JGL video. . . at around :15-:20 totally channels the Joker. Sick.
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..cupping Quint's balls by having a pop at me for taking a pop at HIM further up the board!Touche ugh - hoisted by my own pertard!
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That's fucked up Harry!
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I write it. They post it.
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That was cold- and funny as hell.
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anddd I posted my FIRST music video...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzJ3tTumSBo ... lemme know what you guys think.. T1000 xp professional out!
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I think that they should have just a 5 minute cameo of the Joker in Arkham, as some have suggested. The character is just too big in the Batman mythos to simply retire. And a cameo would in some ways honor Heath's work, since his Joker is too great a creation to discard. Many have suggested Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who is a good actor (see "Brick"). I think that Joquin Phoenix would be a good choice. He has that sort of otherworldy quality, that "difference" that made Heath's Joker so eerie and fascinating. Plus he is a good actor, and could probably do a tribute to Heath's work without doing an outright imitation. Anyway, I think Phoenix would be a good Joker, and Nolan should consider creating a cameo role for the Joker character in the next Batman flick.
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May 05, 2009 4:29:31 PM CDT
Quint when are we gonna see your horror movie?!
by t 1000 xp professional
been waiting for more news on that. give me some info man. Your synopsis was right up my alley.
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I can dig it. About time, actually.
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He played Vaguely Asian Red Herring Number One. Maybe, this time, Nolan will let him have some dialogue and more to do than sit, look a little menacing and die in a special effect.
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Just piling on, Quint.
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She sexy.
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nuff said
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he does annoy me (gets under my skin) in a weird way.
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So that we can move on from Nolan and start a new series that doesn't sacrifice the classic batverse on the altar of slant-verisimilitude.
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I was, of course, being facetious about Cosmo and the womens' mags. But BB and TDK are *very* blokey films, and the studio will demand a female lead in there to draw the female audience in. Nolan has a lot of clout at WB, but even he will see that you can't have a tentpole film with no women in the cast. Without Rachel in the mix, they need to find another character, and the only one that's really credible in the Nolanverse is Catwoman. I think there'd be some interesting character mileage in a predatory Catwoman pursuing Batman as a romantic interest, given that Bruce is terribly damaged in the aftermath of Rachel's death. Hell, there's even the fact that after the events of TDK, Batman is as much a criminal as Catwoman...
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If they were to get a new actor to play The Joker, they might make him a legacy character -- a copycat, to mirror the copycat Batmen in TDK. Either Bruce is surprised to find that there is a Joker on the streets, despite his certainty of his incarceration, or, someone aided Heath/Joker in escaping (Harley?), yet he returns as a different person (this could be a mystery for Detective Bats to solve as a side plot).
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I dunno, I think the Joker's the one character they *can* get away with recasting easily, 'cause of the makeup (hell, there's even an easy way to explain away any differences in characterisation by using Grant Morrison's notion of him as a mutable superpersonality). I think enough time will have passed between TDK and Batman 3 that audiences will be more willing to accept a recast Joker. Hell, it might even put a few bums on seats, with people wondering how the new guy will fare. Up til recently I'd have said that Johnny Depp is the only guy with the accumulated goodwill to step into Heath Ledger's shoes, but JGL really does look like Ledger's junior clone. And he's got the Nolan vote of confidence already!
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Aaron said he signed on for 2 movies. Nolan is the one that is not obligated to come back. The Riddler and Two-Face in the 3rd. Two-Face's face better be pretty infected with puss and maggots. You can't just let a burn like that go without gangrene setting in. But the MPAA will probably say "If you are going to have running puss and maggots on a dude's face then it'll have to be "R" rated."
JGL will probably do a cameo as the The Joker. Like a side shot of him in a jail cell. Him mumbling about something related to Batman's new dilemma. Then if there is a 4th film, JGL might play a prominent more role.
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Haha, I laughed. Shame nobody else got the joke.
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was played by Liam Neeson. Watanabe was the decoy.
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By the MPAA- as they make up a rule about puss and maggots on a dude's face. Joker shoudl be in a straight jacket, with a shaved head- no makeup- and the scars should be creepy and disgusting and prominent. He would look like a demon from hell rather than a freaky clown without the makeup and just the scars.
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Whatever floats your boat, buttercup.
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thats what I have thought as well, have the Joker play a Hannibal Lecter type of role . . . but the whole thing is an elaborate escape attempt. I have no problem seeing a minor character 'Catwoman', a 'Riddler'(rehashing the general gist of Jim Carrey's Riddler without doing a 'Jim Carrey', more of a unabomberish type would be acceptable), and a 'Penguin'. If it can be done in a way that is real (more real than TDK even, I havent read Aronofski's, but it sounds dope) I could see all of them coexisting in one movie, but I personally want four. One for Joker to get out, one for Batman to end. If the first is Begins, the last better be 'ends'. CHUD's idea of the cult of the bat (? if that is what it is called) is a good one. But the idea of making up a new villain is to me a non-starter. Could be wrong, personal opinion.
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Wasnt that just a 'symbol', or 'designation', to be played by the next in line? Like the dali lama (spell check is telling me it's wrong)? So, yeah, wasnt the asian guy Ra's al Ghul, and then the english guy was. . . and then the next guy will, and so on? I could be wrong.
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I actually wrote a 4 or 5 page reason for why Nolan should pick the Penguin, but than I realizes who the hell would want to read that!
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I guess Berry ruined the charakter forever, but catwoman was great in RETURNS. I'd trust Nolan to make that happen again. On the other hand Nolan should probably get the fuck away from the Batman franchise - it's gonna be difficult to make yet another DK.
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.. but Tim Burtons take is never going to happen in a Nolan film.Year One's approach showed you could introduce a character like CatWoman into the 'real' world. Would a female cat-burgler be able to generate enough drama to sustain a whole Batman film? She would need to play second-fiddle to a larger story.
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I may be over stepping here but ras al goul can be anybody in anybody...would love if the could do that and wantabe is actually RAS...But please bring in Talia daughter of the demon...
would still like to see phillip seymor hoffman as penquin..Joker im not sure if I want to see again..unless as mentioned that wasnt the real joker, but not in the next movie..give it time...
and please dont rush a good thing..dont do a wolverine movie(sorry had to)...
But ras could be anyone..as I know the books to be...and for daughter of he demon talia...Angolina jolie would be my first thought choice..but im sure therye are better...and she has pleanty of KID baby followers.....a zaaz killer flick would rule...just my thoughts...peace... -
Enough said already. This man is inprevious to fail. Bale is with him always. Nolan is the total professional, the only one who can compete with Bale in professionalism.Nolan = total professional. And his brother is a genious too.
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This guy is going places. Darn great young actor. If ever the Joker returns to Nolan's Batman movies, then he's the one for the role, and nobody else. Accept no substitutes. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is the real deal.
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I think that's very fearseble. And in my opinion, there is already a strong canddidate for that role, a brillant young actress who's also drop dead gorgeaus: emelie Blunt. In fact, Blunt was the forst choice for Rachael Dawes back in the dsay of casting for Batman Begins, problem was, back then nobody in Hollywood knew who she was, and they went for the safe choices, Natalie Portman and Kate Holmes. Portamn said no becasue she rather prefer be the star of her own movie, so she chosed to do V For Vendetta instead. adn thus, Katie Holmes got the role.This hic up on Blunt's career migth actually had been a blessing in disguise, so that now she can have (hoplefully) a kick ass role of Catwoman whwere she can display better her great acting range and, well of course, her great beauty.
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Some people just can't "see" it,...having Superman in this universe that Nolan has realized. But understand, the Gotham City that Nolan built does NOT change. The only difference is that Superman is a unique tourist, unlike any they have ever encountered. THE NEXT BATMAN FLICK HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE EVEN BETTER!!!
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I hate typos!
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May 06, 2009 10:39:18 AM CDT
THE DARK KNIGHT was a 9.5 ...improve on it with SUPERMAN!!!
by jdanielp
It boggles my mind...with all the excitement I feel in imagining Nolan's world with Superman in it. I can "see it" without closing my eye's, in using my mind's eye. (Can't you?) I've never been so sure of anything in my life!!!
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May 06, 2009 10:47:42 AM CDT
If it helps, imagine any scene in TDK with Clark Kent or Superma
by jdanielp
If you can imagine that, then all that is remaining is in the script and the performances.
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I have tried to see it but Superman isn't easy in Nolans world. There would be no organised crime. This bloke can show up anytime out of nowhere and fuck you up if you step out of line. All the brightest criminals would go straight. Then there's who? More freaks? Creatures from space? Sorry mate, I can't.
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but you would either have to a)kill Bruce Wayne off or b)go post apocalyptic.Nolans recreating a hero. If he goes for the trilogy he ain't going to end it with him dying or riding off on a horse.So far it has been creation and existence. If the next one is death then it will be Batman not Bruce Wayne.Unless of course you are suggesting there is a way to kill BALE?
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More ammo for your argument. He was great in that.
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I don't think the casting is the issue, I think whomever said "Is a female cat burglar dramatic enough for this world?" (paraphrase) had it right.Is it dramatic in the movie's context and theme? That is EXACTLY the point. All notions of getting her to the screen are very possible but she'd have to be a smaller side character. With Nolan's theme of 'escalation', why would we go from a "Man who just wants to watch the world burn", who is an unstoppable force in Batman's world unless Bats violates his core principle (not to kill).So how can you squeeze in a female cat burglar in that context? A love interest? Please. That's so obvious and (to me) such a thematic crutch, that I don't think the Nolan's would even consider it (plus it's a re-tread of Batman Returns, etc).So even if they got the greatest female lead ever and brought the character over into Nolan's Batverse, what more could she be beyond a love interest or a skilled high-stakes thief? And why would even an excellent thief interest Batman when his last couple nemeses threatened to turn Gotham into Perdition? A professional cat burglar would be escalation from that? What's she stealing? The cure for cancer? And why? I can see some possibilities running around here and there that I think might fit thematically but it's such a stretch and at the end of the day, why bother? I think Catwoman risks making Batman far too pedestrian at this point. It can be done and the Nolan's seem talented and dedicated enough to pulling it off but it seems like swimming upstream to me. When you have other villains that might lend themselves more to Nolan's underlying theme.I haven't read Year One but am interested in how they portray her (according to you guys) and don't get me wrong, I really do like the character a lot. I dearly love female badasses that do so without being remotely masculine (Ripley, Trinity, Selene, etc) and we need more of them (all we seem to get are tough guy 'she-men' as if the only way to inherent badass-ness was through masculinity, bollocks!)).But I think it's out stacking the deck a bit to pursue Catwoman for Nolan's Batverse. It makes an already practically impossible job (making a 3rd entry worthy of the previous 2 and, if at all possible, better) much more difficult. But if anyone could pull it off, it's the Nolan's.
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It's not like he's got to be the headliner of the next film or anything, but the character should pop up somewhere. In a padded cell in Arkham perhaps? I for one would love to see a "Silence of the Lambs" moment between vigilante and psychopath. The interrogation room scene was arguably the best thing about TDK.
That video posted JuntMonkey was an awesome glimpse at what could be a great tribute to Ledger's performance. Gordon-Levitt is a great actor, and would do the character justice. His resemblance to Ledger is a happy coincidence, but is not the driving force behind my choice. If Johnny Depp got the part, it wouldn't be a cameo. And the movie runs the risk of turning into 'Public Enemies 2".
Riddler, Penguin, and Catwoman are the ost logical choices for chief villain. Of the 3, Riddler is the most cunning, leaving clues daring his enemies to catch him. Penguin is a nice representation of the mob element in Gotham. And yes, there must be a female element or women won't be interested. And, lets face it, guys will pay money to see Catwoman on screen. It's a woman, dressed is a skintight cat-suit. Lowest Common Denominator says it will work.
The '2nd Tier' villains (Mr. Zsasz, Cornowed-Croc-Guy) should absolutely make cameos. Nolan's great about slipping these characters into scenes where the focus isn't directly on them. I think its a great easter egg for fans of the books.
Talia would be an interesting addition, but only to link the 3rd film to Batman Begins. Bane would work if he was tied into her story somehow.
Someone suggested Superman, and I'm all for that. God knows someone needs to do the character correctly. My only concern is that Batman would be overshadowed. Better to save him for Batman 4, where they can begin a new trilogy together.
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what if instead of a re-tread of Batman Returns, Catwoman is trying to help Batman solve a crime. Their interests are similar, but their methods differ. He'd want to turn her in for being a thief, but she could also save his life, thus creating an internal struggle for the hero?
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run over with a steamroller ala Maximum Overdrive.
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Superman could work in The "more realistic" Nolan style Bat-verse.
Superman's presence could cause the more run-of-the-mill gangsters of Gotham to try and become super-villains. Producing a slew of half-assed (but troublesome for Batman) villains that could be taken from past comics.
Because it's SM's fault that Gotham just escalated to metropolis-level super-crimes it starts the trouble in the relationship between Bruce and Clark.Wow that is truly the Geekiest post I've ever written, I feel dirty yet free, free I say!
Wake&Bake W/AICN...
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In where in any of nolan's batman movies does it even sugest that such a thing as Superman would fit in in that universe? People who want superman in Nolan's batman movies, i just weant to ask you: did you even watched the fucking movies? Where the fuck it would fit in? That's just you having geekasms, that's all. And ylur geekasms would turn Nolan's batman movies into pure exercises in completle retardness. Might as well hire Brett Ratner to do that to complete the fuck up. Do you geek boys even think beyond your geekams fantasies and understantd the concept of artistic continuity and integrity?
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What's not to love?
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...about the inclusion of Catwoman and the theme of escalation, although i think Nolan's smart enough to realise that escalation is not in the same manner as Hollywood escalation ie - sequels have bigger set pieces, villains have meaner gimmicks etc. In deed, Nolan's Gotham is supplanted in reality and hence escalation can suggest how more young vulnerable people are being attracted to crime. Catwoman can represent a young person, perhaps a by-product of the failing Gotham care system - itself unable to address the crumbling foundation of Gotham's families. Escalation, in a criminological sense, just means that crime is growing and becoming harder to contain. Where crime is concerned, the Joker represented the chaos and Two-Face was his moral pawn. I like the character of Catwoman as she represents a human dimension to crime, not yet explored.
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In a Nolan's Batman nmovie, Catwoman could be a mirrror image of whjat would be Batman without the moral compass the his coset associates bring, like Alfred the buttler or once Rachael Dawes, or Jim Gordon and Lucious Fox. Catwoman could be what a traumatized Bruce Wayne had been if he had nobody else to him to temper his lust for reenge and quail his demons and tuen them into a force to right agaisnt crime and corruiption and enforce justice and rightousness. Catwoman could be his flip coin, and how corrupted and self-serving he would had bveen without a stong moral center, a total victim of tragedy turned into self-centered self-justified dammage goods.
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The other direction Nolan can go in is that Batman himself faces the danger of "over-escalating" the situation. After dealing with the anarchy of the Joker, the feeling that he failed Dent, and now is being hunted by the police, a frustrated Batman might be pushing the limits of what he considers moral/responsible behavior. If Batman starts thinking more and more "the end justify's the means and "harsh times requires harsh tactics", that could be an interesting angle for dealing with the idea of how far you can allow yourself to go. Especially when one of the people you are facing isn't that evil, like Catwoman.
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Star Trek Nemesis was pretty good imo. Only thing I didn't like was I lost my wallet that night, Friday December 13, 2002. I even bought a Shinzon toy. Woot woot!
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Anyone else thinking it? I'd also say that Gordon-Levitt is now a lock-in for The Joker.
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The thing is escalation was the theme of the *second* Batman film; there's nothing to suggest that it will also be the central theme of the third one. Its foreshadowing at the end of Batman Begins suggests that the theme of the third film was similarly foreshadowed in the closing moments of TDK. Which would mean that the third film's going to be about vigilantism, about a character operating outside the law. If Catwoman was recast as a Robin Hood-type figure, an antihero stealing from the corrupt rich, that'd place Batman in an interesting moral quandary; she's punishing the villains as he is, but deriving personal gratification from it. Well, Batman's getting personal gratification from his mission, too. Add to that the possibility of Selina pursuing Bruce, who's profoundly damaged in the wake of Rachel's death, and the blurring of the lines between his Batman/Bruce personas, and you have an interesting set of themes to play with using Catwoman.
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... i completly trust Christopher Nolan. What he and his brother came up with for The Drak Knightn was far much better then all the stuff that the geeks were throwing around in this talkbacks and convinced it would be so cool. So, it's the Nolans i truly trust in all things Batman, moviewise. In Nolan We Trust.
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