Review

Ambush Bug boldly goes where no man has gone berserker for STAR TREK & X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE!

Published at: May 4, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

Hey folks, Ambush Bug here. I guess summer has come early this year and although I usually am trying to catch up on my ever-growing comic book “to read” pile for AICN Comics, I always try to make it to as many films as I can. This weekend, I was able to see two flicks and I figured I’d schmeld them together for a double review for those of you who may give a fig on how I took them in. The films, though vastly different in quality, had one thing in common; they are geared toward the geek audience. Did they succeed in appealing to the geek in me? Scroll down, Faithful Talkbackers, scroll down and see.

X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE

I grew up on X-MEN. One of my first comics was the AVENGERS ANNUAL where the Avengers had to team up with the X-Men to face the New Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. What I loved about that issue was that it was a showcase to a lot of characters with fantastic powers. I don’t know much about the story or the themes or how one panel worked in conjunction to the next, but I remember a lot of cool characters beating the snot out of other cool characters and that it made me seek out other comics to find out more about these characters.
I guess I started out this review in this way because that’s kind of what I took from X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE. Like the previous two X-movies, it was more of a showcase for a bunch of cool characters with neat powers tossed together with little or no interest in how it all was supposed to make sense. Now, I’m sure Hugh Jackman and Co. thought they were making a cool movie. It’s just that they were too interested in filling it with as many characters as possible to bother with making things work logically or bothering with anything resembling a theme or plot to the film.
And I guess that is what bothers me most. Flawed as they were the other X-films had a theme of prejudice/racism and specifically with Wolverine, the theme of how an outcast loner fits into the world and takes responsibility for himself and others. By the end of Ratner’s painful film, at least Wolverine had grown up a bit from his rebel days of the first film, accepted responsibility as a teacher at the X-Mansion and found a home among his own kind. Even though the first three had problems, at least they were about something.
There’s nary a theme to be found in this film. Just a strand of action sequences filled by characters we don’t really know anything about other than the fact that they are apparently always bad@$$ (something made apparent in an early scene swiped from the first scene in PREDATOR where we meet the crew on their way to a mission). Is it about brotherhood? About tragedy? About white tank tops and pompadours? I don’t know, but director Gavin Hood and High Jackman want to distract you from all of that with plenty of snarls and ‘splosions. Wolverine does a pretty decent job of fitting in. He’s got a hot school teacher girlfriend. A lumberjack job. Friends. A swanky cabin on top of a mountain. He’s done a pretty decent job of assimilating into this world. Gone are any themes of being an outcast or being hated because one is different (themes that used to make the X-comics so accessible and did the same for the first here films). No, Jackman and Co. are more interested in making Wolverine out to be a tragic hero rather than a troubled loner. They want to make him Rambo (there’s even a “Murdoch…I’m comin’ ta get choo!” scene), but hell even the RAMBO films had a point about violence being necessary in today’s world.
Acting wise? Jackman is decent with the script he has. He can crane an eyebrow like no other. He’s a good actor, but all the chops in the world can’t save a plot-less flick. Liev Schreiber is good too, but he’s sort of doing a cartoonish version of his role in DEFIANCE as the rage-filled arch nemesis. Still some of Liev’s lines were painfully smug. But all of the actors aside from Jackman seem to be in the films just a few moments. Dominic Mognahan barely registers as a cameo here. Ryan Reynolds does a decent job as Deadpool, but his contrived appearance and inconsistent powers in the end will leave fans of the Merc with a Mouth in comics scratching their head as to what they are seeing on screen. There’s a fun but completely contrived boxing match with the Blob that serves as more of a special effects showcase rather than a necessary advancement of plot. A bigger role was given to Will.I.Am as John Wraith who looks as if he walked off with Don Cheadle’s outfit from BOOGIE NIGHTS, but still, he’s just there to fill a special effects quota. But all of those characters are side notes. The main thing to see here is Wolverine and we get a lot of him brooding, flexing, snarling, staring, and three--count ‘em-three scenes of him holding a dead body and screaming to the heavens!
And then there’s Gambit. Let me clue you guys in. Gambit sucks. He sucks in the comics. And he sucks here. Many people are fans of the character, but there’s nothing on screen that makes me change my mind that he’s an incredibly lame character. In the comics, he had the power to be drawn smoking a cigarette and leaning against a wall. In the movie, Gambit has the power to be fall out of a scene only to jump back into a scene at the exact right moment ten minutes later just in time for him to ‘splode something. Boo Gambit. Let’s move on.
A couple of random observations:
The opening was incredibly lame and obviously swiped directly from Snyder’s WATCHMEN slo mo opening trip through the ages. The Blob’s make-up was pretty good. Agent Zero’s gun fu was fun. Deadpool’s swirling swords was pretty sweet. Jackman is very vein-y in this one, more so than previous X-flicks. There were too many characters with too little to do here. There was a scene towards the end where Wolverine just walks away from the main baddies and I both had no idea what was going on and seriously wanted to do the same thing, by that point. Will.I.Am.’s cowboy hat didn’t really fit him right. Would it kill them to try to yellow and brown even the brown and tan costume? Gambit sucks.
In the end, once again the movie felt more like a company’s special effects reel than an actual movie. It was all so…unnecessary because much of it was hinted at before in the films and would have worked much better as interspersed snippets into a much more substantial film set in the present. I’m all for Jackman to try another Wolvie film. There’s potential here for future films; Tyger Tyger’s bar in Maripoor, Miller’s miniseries set in Japan, Logan’s time with the Hudsons & Alpha Flight in Canada, maybe even a team up/slugfest with the Hulk against Wendigo. I just hope that the scope can be toned down, the depth of character can be amped up, the amount of characters can be pared down, and the themes can be built up and explored. Out of the four X-movies, this ranks above X3, yet below X-MEN (with X2 being the best, of course).

STAR TREK 2009

Capone was cool enough to let me check out his STAR TREK premiere last Thursday and it was a treat seeing all of the AICN readers showing up for this one. There was a lot of excitement in the crowd and among my group of four that got to check out the flick. With me was fellow @$$Hole Sleazy G and our two friends; one a trekkie who had reservations about the new film and was not a J.J. Abrams fan, the other an Abrams fan who was actually excited to see the movie. Myself, I wouldn’t consider myself a trekkie. I’ve seen the films. I’ve probably seen half of the original series and probably more of TNG. Much of what I know about Trek comes from paying attention to spoofs of the franchise as seen in GALAXY QUEST, IN LIVING COLOR, SNL, and comedy sketches. Let’s just say I know enough about Trek to get me into trouble, but not enough to call myself a die hard fan.
The film I saw, though, made me one. Abrams takes the term blockbuster seriously here by amping up the thrills and generously peppering in humor and enough heart to actually want to follow the adventures of this crew for many more films to come.
From the first moments, Abrams tosses us in the middle of a heated battle between Kirk’s father and a mysterious mining vessel piloted by Romulan warrior Nero. The opening sequence is dynamic and sets the scope letting us know that the cardboard sets of the first series are not going to be seen here. After that flashback scene, we get to follow Kirk and Spock as they skip from troubled youth to starfleet cadets. These scenes are fun, but serve only as placeholders until the stars of this film show up.
Let me say that although I thought his role in SMOKING ACES was damn cool, I had no idea how much I was going to like Chris Pine’s Captain Kirk. He really does shine here and carries a presence that allows him to be both completely charming and badass and hilarious all at once. Pine will be a major star as a result of this film. He’s got charisma and a down to earth quality that makes you want to root for him. The scene where Kirk is shipped off to the Hoth-like snow world is as thrilling as it is fun, but wouldn’t be so if not for the scenes prior where we see Pine drunk and hitting on Uhura in a bar, then cheating his way through the academy. By the end of this film, he captured everything Shatner’s Kirk had without any of the baggage the character carries with him. This is a Kirk that is unpredictable and fun to watch.
The rest of the cast is fun too. Zachary Quinto’s Spock channels Leonard Nimoy here without making it some imitation. His is probably the hardest role because the character has been parodied the most, but Quinto has a presence that sheds all of those trappings. This is very much Spock’s film and Quinto has the chops to carry that responsibility.
****SPOILER****I didn’t particularly hate the twist of Spock’s relationship with Uhura, but I do think that the PDA displayed late in the film was a bit out of character for the Vulcan. It would have been much more fitting for Kirk to happen upon the mismatched couple making out rather than having Spock openly embrace and smooch Uhura on the teleporter bay. ****END SPOILER****
PATHFINDER’s Karl Urban was surprisingly good too. Sure a lot of his lines were added as comic homages to previous episodes, but they were not overdone and seemed to come at just the right time to break tension. Zoe Saldana’s Uhura was hot. Simon Pegg’s Scotty was fun. HAROLD & KUMAR’s John Cho was used as comic relief a bit much, but still stood out as Sulu. Only Anton Yelchin’s Chekov proved to be somewhat annoying to me, mainly because his thick accent was used as a joke one too many times. Rounding out the cast was Eric Bana’s Nero. Bana is more engaging here than in other films. He’s got a bit more personality and seems to let loose more so than I’ve seen elsewhere; still out of all the cast, his was the most cardboard.
The winks and nods to the original series were apparent here, but there was never a time in the film where I rolled my eyes. For me, the humor and homage were just right. Towards the middle there’s a bit of a lag where time-travel and alternate universes are incorporated into the plot. I was able to follow it, but Joe Movie-Goer or the girlfriend you may have dragged there with you may start to look at their watches once the discourse begins. And there were moments during this discourse where I was fascinated (and somewhat distracted) by Old Spock’s dentures and felt as if I were watching a trapeze artist at times, on the edge of my seat hoping there wouldn’t be a Polygrip slip-up resulting in an embarrassing moment for the old dude and my empathetic self. But all in all, this was a fast paced film that lived up to the hype showcased in the previews.
So how did the guys I went with feel about it? Well, Sleazy seemed to like it quite a bit too, although he thought that some of the science towards the end was a bit off. The Abrams fan liked it too, citing that he couldn’t believe people wouldn’t be satisfied by it. The Abrams-cynic/trekkie tentatively agreed that it was a good film, but felt it was more like watching TREKKIE BABIES rather than a STAR TREK film. The crowd seemed to love it, punctuating the ending with a pretty big round of applause. Me? I think I can sum it up by saying that watching this film made me want to go home and watch some of the original episodes. To me, that’s the best compliment I can give this one. It served as a fun homage to the old series while embracing the mythos and modernizing the storytelling to fit into the blockbuster model. And hell, it even offers a cop-out/explanation to those die hard trekkies by labeling the characters and events of this story as an alternative universe than the original series. As far as big budget popcorn movies go, this one is better than most. I’m sure there are things a die hard trekkie would take umbrage to, but this casual Trek fan was left satisfied.

So forget X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE (the character does in the end of the film and so should you) and save your pennies for STAR TREK this weekend. Special thanks to Capone for putting together yet another movie premiere for Chicagoans and don't forget to check out AICN Comics every Monday and Wednesday!

Ambush Bug is Mark L. Miller, reviewer and co-editor of AICN Comics for over seven years. Check out previews to his short comic book fiction here and here published in MUSCLES & FIGHTS 3 and MUSCLES & FRIGHTS on his ComicSpace page. Bug was interviewed here and here at Cream City Comics. Look for more comics from Bug in 2009 from Bluewater Productions, including the just-announced sequel to THE TINGLER for their VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS ongoing series in stores October 2009.

Readers Talkback

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  • May 4, 2009, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Star Trek & Wolverine

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    These movies sucked major Donkey Balls! Fuck this shit.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:49 a.m. CST

    second...I must not be fanboy enough...

    by Blancoshadow

    I must have lost my pocket protector cause I'm not really geeked up for Star Trek...maybe cause this site force feeds this movie down my fuckin throat...

  • May 4, 2009, 7:51 a.m. CST

    third...concerning the spoiler

    by Blancoshadow

    Spock kissing Uhura??? I thought Quinto takes it up the poop shoot??? Or was that Bryan Singer???

  • May 4, 2009, 7:54 a.m. CST

    wolverine: after all fanboy complaining, it does 87 million

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    alllll of the fanboys on this site, even though complaining non stop about this film, went and saw it. thank you. i myself am thankful, because now i hope to see wolverine take the next chapter to Japan...

  • May 4, 2009, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Sylar is gonna eat your brains and gain ur knowledge!

    by turketron_2

    Watch out Kirk!<p><p> Nah, but seriously I'm psyched for Star Trek... but I'm trying not to read any of the hundreds of articles aicn keeps vomiting out. I already know too much about it.

  • May 4, 2009, 8 a.m. CST

    87 million... ugh

    by turketron_2

    Not the first time a shit movie makes a mint and it surely won't be the last. What can you really do though, it's just sad that they could have taken a little extra effort and made the movie less retarded than it was. <p><p> I didn't see the thing in theaters, but Wolverine was entertaining... yet groan inducing. Just glad that I was able to fast fwd through the boring stuff and quickly get to the ludicrous shit.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:02 a.m. CST

    aren't gambit's kinetic cards supposed to be highly explosive?

    by turketron_2

    In Wolverine they just sort of... knock you back like little energy blasts. I seem to remember gambit as someone who constantly blew the hell out of shit with his kinetically charged objects... the bigger the object, the bigger the boom! Whatever.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Who cares if it made 87 mil?

    by Browncoat_Jedi

    That only proves there are tons of moronic brats in the USA, and we already knew that. No accounting for taste.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Wolverine wasn't the worst comic movie ever made

    by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI

    And it certainly wasn't the best. I pretty felt the same way as Abush on this one. <p></p> Also Gambit by far was the worst of the mutants in the film. The casting didn't help. All I kept thinking was "Why is Gambits head as fat as The Blobs?"

  • May 4, 2009, 8:19 a.m. CST

    I meant Ambush

    by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI

    Not Abush...

  • May 4, 2009, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Gambit running up the wall with his sticks...

    by turketron_2

    Made me laugh my ass off at how ridiculous it looked.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I thought he was going to talk about the new

    by Series7

    Wolverine Origins comic. Anyone read that yet? Did anyone read the Sabertooth one? I couldn't find a copy of it anywhere.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:45 a.m. CST

    get a life !!!

    by Bladernner79

    I find it so very pathetic how you loser's spend time picking apart a movie about a man who has metal claws coming fomr his hands. This isn't Schindlers list people , it's a big budget summer movie made for young men and children. Im really getting tired of all this "serious' comic book movie bullshit, not everything is going to be TDK. Let's face it Iron Man is a fun movie nothing more. These movie's are based on comic books, don't expect highbrow art.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:52 a.m. CST

    how about shut up

    by turketron_2

    No one's asking for highbrow art dumbass, just good writing and a movie that actually reflects the $140 million that it supposedly cost to make.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Wolverine opening sequence...

    by kayleefan

    "opening was incredibly lame and obviously swiped directly from Snyder’s WATCHMEN slo mo opening trip through the ages." Didn't Watchmen come out in March? Do you honestly think they 'took' this from that? Plus, why would you use a scene/style from a movie that bombed? Re: Bladernner79 "not everything is going to be TDK." Thank god, that movie was weak.

  • May 4, 2009, 9 a.m. CST

    I'll get this one.

    by Jared Syn

    And $12 of that $87 million was Harry's. I wonder if he needs another nap?

  • May 4, 2009, 9:05 a.m. CST

    turketon

    by Bladernner79

    Yes you people are demanding these movies for serious and thought provoking you simpleton. Like that Watchmen bullshit. stupid comic and waste of a movie , pure geek bullshit. All these fuck sticks who think Watchmen could reach the level of Bladerunner are truly insane. To even compare anything Zack Snyder made to Ridley Scott is truly ridiculous.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Bladernner79

    by whitty

    Who cares what you find "so very pathetic?" No one is here to impress you. And besides, if you can't even spell "losers" correctly, then you look pretty stupid calling people that name.

  • As good as the first two X-MEN movies or preferably as good as IRON MAN would have been fine. But as good as the second FANTASTIC FOUR movie? Or DAREDEVIL? We deserve better than that by now.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Ambush Bug

    by Ambush Bug

    Wow, I forgot how guttural talbacks outside of AICN Comics can be. Way to represent the worst of the interweb, folks.<br> As far as the opening WATCHMEN rip off, it's well known that reshoots occurred up until just about a month or so ago. It would have given them plenty of time to rip off the best part of Snyder's WATCHMEN.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:28 a.m. CST

    than it was.

    by SpyGuy

    Bloody subject cutoff.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Damnit...

    by Judge Briggs

    It sucks this movie is going to make so much money... it's so shitty and Rothman and the idiots who produced it will feel justified ... what a piece of shit movie!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Jeez...

    by Codename V

    Anyone who slices this movie up because of differences from the comic needs to relax. Spiderman had some differences, Iron Man had a few, Batman had a few, and any other book to movie adaptation you can think of had changes made too. I liked this movie. It was entertaining. The fights made sense. Sure, I would have liked more face time with the other mutants but the main story made sense to me. It wasn't "let's go here just to see a different place" movie like Pierce Brosnan's BOnd films... And yes, Deadpool was a weird switch from what he is in the comic but it was fine for the plot of Wolverine being only a step in the process to create Weapon XI (this goes to 11...). Gambit worked for me. A little forced and convenient at times but overall not bad.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Well this fanboy didn't see Wolverine

    by Volstaff

    in theaters, and won't. Looks like shit, sounds like shit.Currently 37% on Rotten Tomatoes, plus 2 people I know who saw it pretty much gave " eh, it was ok for a matinee" tells me all I need to know. Oh and fuck anyone who pulls the lame excuse that "it's only a comic book movie". It's still a movie.Going out to the movies is and has always been an experience for me.All I ever ask is that the people who make films actually care as much about that experience as the people who plunk their hard earned money to see it, and not just pull a reach around for my wallet. "It's only a comic book movie" doesn't wash, not on a site for and about movie geeks. It's like eating out and being told that it's ok your cheeseburger tasted like shit and the service sucked because it's only a cheeseburger and not a steak. I don't expect any meaningful essays about the human condition from a movie that's just supposed to entertain, I don't expect a cheeseburger to taste like a steak, but I do expect a damn tasty burger for my money at least.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    "opening was lame and obviously swiped from Watchmen"

    by D.Vader

    Ambush Bug, give me a FUCKING break. Use your intelligence and THINK. That opening credits sequence was shot a year ago. How on earth did they know how Snyder was going to shoot his opening credits sequence so that they could ape it? <p> That's just ignorant bile you're spewing. You should retract such an obviously false statement.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Ambush Bug, that's a ridiculous notion

    by D.Vader

    Didn't that still of Logan in his WWII outfit come out on the internet WAY before Watchmen came out? <p> Fucking stupid.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Ambush Bug

    by whitty

    "Way to represent the worst of the interweb, folks." Naah, we leave that job for Harry.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:16 a.m. CST

    the war credits were in the workprint...

    by turketron_2

    Which is supposedly reflective of the movie before reshoots were done, correct? I see no reason to think that it was swiped from Watchmen.<p>

  • May 4, 2009, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I think one's vitriol for Wolverine

    by Snookeroo

    is in direct proportion to how much of an X-Men fan you are ("X-Men" always sounded like it referred to males who had undergone a sex-change operation).<br> Personally, I never was a big fan of the comic book, and I'm not that familiar with the characters (I have a few of the Silver Age issues). And so the movie was an enjoyable enough diversion of a couple of hours (or whatever the run time is). Not great by any stretch, but not completely wretched, either.<br><br>On the other hand, I'm a huge Superman fan, and was pretty apoplectic when Superman Returns stained the screen. So it's relative -- if you love "Wolverine", you're probably going to despise this movie; if you're the casual X-Men reader, it's probably just not going to register that much with you.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Maybe it was a DANTE'S PEAK/VOLCANO instance...

    by Ambush Bug

    Still it seems a bit coincidental that the last two comic book movies to come out had such similar opening sequences. The "slo mo moving panels" skipping through history were very similar in theme and technique.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Wolverine

    by Andillformthehead

    I find it funny how some people state this is as "good" as X3. Both movies are turds not because of lack of continuity with the comics but they suck as cinema. But at least X3 was plotted well and made some sort of sense. This film has horrible direction, effects, acting, casting, direction, etc. I mean it direct to video, Made for Sci Fi channel bad. I would rather watch a Shumacher Batman than this. It was really bad. And not fun either. The obvious faked death, etc. The bad story and or writing make the character seem stupid. He's fought in war after war and yet he can't tell if someone's really dead or not?

  • May 4, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Wolverine should be an illegal immigrant

    by kafka07

    and he should have some kind of mutant swine flu ability.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    General points for the majority of talkbackers:

    by berksbear

    1. This is an action movie based on a comic book. Seriously, people, look outside your windows - there are MUCH more worthwhile things to be concerned about in the world! 2. Anyone who watched the downloaded workprint - I sincerely hope you are mugged/burgled so you can experience someone getting something of yours for free. 3. Anyone who uses the phrase "rape" as in the raping of their childhood - well, I hope they actually get raped and have second thoughts before using that term in such an infantile and pathetic manner in future. Oh yeah, and if you didn't hate me enough already - I really enjoyed Wolverine. But guess what - I don't give a shit about your comments/opinions...pretty much like the rest of the world. have a good one, people xxxxx

  • May 4, 2009, 10:56 a.m. CST

    It was not made for tv bad...

    by Codename V

    While not the best superhero movie, it did not suck as bad as something like Catwoman or Elektra. I mean Dark Knight this ain't, but it entertained.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Gambit sucks.

    by fiester

    And he always has.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:13 a.m. CST

    berksbear has sand in it's vagina.

    by the Green Gargantua

    1.Hey fucktard! this is a talkback on the god awful Wolverine movie. 2.Your comment deserves to be ritually,brutally raped for hours. 3.The X-Men movies like totally stole my innocence and childhood from me before I could steal anything from FOX. Just glad they did not get an additional 14 bux from me.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST

    So, that's where my Star Trek tickets went

    by gruntybear

    Were my seats nice and comfy, bug? Yes, I'm still hell-bent on clinging to my bitterness. Deal.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    But that's the thing, Ambush Bug, they weren't moving panels

    by D.Vader

    Wolverine's opening credit sequence had a few slomo moments and flash-freeze frames anytime they put up a credit, but they didn't do the "slomo through a panel as the characters barely move" like Watchmen did. They were very, very different. The majority of the opening credits were shot in (close to) 24 frames a second.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:30 a.m. CST

    WHY does the new 'Spock' look like such a pussy?

    by uberman

    I just can't get past the pussiness of that actor. And also, do the pants still ride up to flood stage level?

  • May 4, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    The sequel is: Star Trek II: The Attack of Kahn

    by Zardozap2005

    Because you know you bitches want it.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Wolverine vs Watchmen

    by MaxHeadroom

    The opening of the Wolverine movie I saw had a young Logan in bed with his "father" and his brother looking over him. The whole sequence took about five minutes or so. Don't remember that in the Watchmen. Watchmen sucked and Wolverine was more entertaining. Not great, but entertaining. Slow motion scenes at the beginning ripping off Watchmen? Does that mean Watchmen also ripped off Saving Private Ryan too.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:36 a.m. CST

    green gargantua...

    by berksbear

    ...sorry, mate, but I simply cannot converse with someone who uses the phrase: "like totally" in a sentence. Sigh - can't imagine why you have amounted to nothing, sweetie.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Totally agree with you on Gambit

    by Logan-X

    He blows and is the poor man's Wolverine. They started revealing too much about Logan in the comics and then needed a new man of mystery and this was the best they could come up with. I would be all for a Deadpool movie, but a Gambit movie would be thoroughly booed.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    berksbear, and anyone else who freaks out over..

    by soup74

    the phrase "raped my childhood".. chill the kiddierape out. its a fucking word. cancer is one of the biggest killers of people out there, but no one freaks out when something is called a "cancer on society." its a fucking word with a fucking meaning. in fact according to the dictionary.. here is one definition of "rape": <br><br> 3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: 'a rape of justice.'<br> tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes<br><br>now just the fuck up with your fake outrage.. its stupid.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Berksbear raped the fuck out of me!!

    by the Green Gargantua

    ....Wow. You have torn my orifice to shreds with your brilliant intellect. What a complete fool I was to write in anything but the king's english within this high forum of words and ideas. Just glad I was able to scurry from the soup kitchen back to the hobo internet cafe for my retort, so here it goes. You like totally have sand within your vagina. In fact I will go as far as to describe your vagina (or mangina) as DUNE. You may wanna take care of that, shake it out or something, mate.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Yeah, they coulda ripped off the opening.

    by SleazyG.

    Let's see: "Watchmen" was in production for over a decade, and FOX had access to the scripts along the way before they lost the rights as well as full access to info about the movie cuz of their lawsuits over the movie. Does it guarantee they stole it? No. Does it place it well in the realm of possibility? Absolutely.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    D.Vader...the opening couldve been recut

    by bacci40

    and lets be honest...the opening makes no fucking sense<P> why do wolvie and creed fight in every fucking war except korea?<p> why do they fight under the american flag in ww1 and 2?<p> why, after they were shot by firing squad and lived, did they meekly allow themselves to be locked up?<P> why are we told that they decapitated a superiour officer, when creed actually stabs him in the stomache<p> why the fuck was the movie made?

  • May 4, 2009, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Thank god I didnt pay the reviews no mind

    by tendaiamos

    Wolverine was a good movie nothing more nothing less. Looking forward to the next one..p.s. Wouldnt make much sense for Gambit to blow the whole place up...I wasnt aware he was a mass murderer..

  • May 4, 2009, 12:16 p.m. CST

    i liked x3 way more than wolverine

    by smudgewhat

    i thought it was an emotional wrap to that series. death of Prof X, including Wolvie & Storm's reactions, was devastating (which it should be). death of Jean was devastating too. i even liked the way Cyclops got dusted b/c it implied just how powerful and dangerous Phoenix would be to the people she actually loved. Magneto crushing the caravan cars like pop cans was awesome. Kitty Pryde storyline with Bobby & Rogue was poignant and cool. and Ellen Page rocked in that role. the Juggernaut chase with her was awesome. i probably still have x2 in the lead position, but x3 resolves the storyline for me in a satisfying way. i did not feel nearly as enthused for wolvie, though the helicopter chase was excellent and i thought liev nailed sabretooth.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:17 p.m. CST

    also, i was glad when will.i.am a. bad. ac.tor.

    by smudgewhat

    got dusted. b/c i was tired of watching his lame acting.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:21 p.m. CST

    soup 74 and green garagntua...

    by berksbear

    ...you should date - seriously. Imagine what a benefit to the gene pool your kids would be.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    AMBUSH BUG!!!!

    by BERSERKR

    First off thanks for using my nickname in your title for this piece and Second, YES! YES! YES!, FINALLY! someone else who hates Gambit i have ALWAYS hated him, i just don't understand how anyone other than emo girls could think he was cool.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The Trifecta

    by Mr.FTW

    I could have looked past the abandonment of the source material but how people can get past the horrible FX is beyond me. The X movies Jackman had real claw from practical effects that he held. In this movie the claws were CGI and looked terible and cartoonish at times. The weather channel does better green screen than this movie did at time and most video games today have better cinematics than the CG helicopter in and other things in this movie. <br> But what really got me was that this was the 4th movie in a franchise and they threw continuity completly out the window and for what? If the movie had been solid it wouldn't have matter but it was far from it. <br> So the lack of sticking to the comics, horrible FX work and lack of continuity with previous instalment of the franchise make Wolverine a a trifecta of lacking at best. <br> That said though it was still better than X-3, both Fantastic 4 movies and Ghost Rider.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:36 p.m. CST

    wolverine sucks, titanic made more than the godfather

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    and we know what the better movie is

  • May 4, 2009, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Wolverine was lame because of Rothman...

    by Kid Z

    ...and because Wolverine's origin is lame. The character worked better without an origin story. And besides, Jemas' and Quesada's origin story sucked. Hopefully 10 years from now some new writer at Marvel will retcon it out of existence.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    But does Karl Urban get to sputter

    by skimn

    "Dammit Jim I'm a doctor, not an elevator operator.." or some such line...Does Alton Yenchin say "wessel"...Does Simon Pegg say " I dunna think the engines canna take anymore..."<p>Its been 40 plus years since the original (Oh My God, I'm fuckin old), and 30 since TMP. Was Abrams afraid NOT to include such moments for the fans? Even as he says he made the movie for non-fans. It's like when Christian Bale says "I'll be back" in T4. It becomes so self-referential as to take us out of the movie, even for a second or two.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Bacci, they look nothing alike

    by D.Vader

    Other than the fact that its a trip through time with characters based off a comic book- that's it. <p> As for your comments... <p>"why do wolvie and creed fight in every fucking war except korea?" <p> The filmmakers probably thought (wisely so) that the visuals of the Korean War would look exactly like the Vietnam War. <p> "why do they fight under the american flag in ww1 and 2?" <p> Someone said that apparently a lot of Canadians did? Who knows. <p> "why, after they were shot by firing squad and lived, did they meekly allow themselves to be locked up?" <p> Well, why allow themselves to get captured to be "executed" in the first place? They probably had some loose plan to escape and run off somewhere. <p> "why are we told that they decapitated a superiour officer, when creed actually stabs him in the stomache" <p> We are not told this. This quote is never mentioned in the finished movie. <p> "why the fuck was the movie made?" <p> That's easy. To make money.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Question Bacci, D. Vader

    by Continentalop

    I haven't seen the movie nor am I likely to go see it, but I have a question: why are they even shown fighting through all these past wars? <p> I mean, why is that an essential part of Wolverine's character? What is essential is that he is a tough, hard-nosed mutant who get adamantium grafted on him. The rest of this stuff seems superfluous. <p> To me it is like doing a Batman movie and showing him first meeting Clark Kent in Smallville or showing that Bruce Wayne was inspired to dress like a bat because he saw his dad in a similar costume for Halloween party. Nice little tid bits to fill in someone's history in the comic book, but far from being the essential elements for someone's origin.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    yeah, berksbear.. we'll have genetically superior children

    by soup74

    that you can rape.<br><br>and quit acting superior, while i might have dropped a few f-bombs, what i had to say was far more intelligent than your crying.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:14 p.m. CST

    D.Vader...canadians fought for the british commonwealth

    by bacci40

    and while they landed at normandy on d-day, it was as canadians, not under the american flag<P> this may be nitpicky, but it is a fact<p> and korea looks nothing like nam<P> and say what you want, but two comic book related films opening with collages after an action sequence is just way to coincidental for my taste<p> and i guess the wp is slightly different than the final version, which i havent and wont see...even when it gets released on dvd....for the movie is utter shite

  • May 4, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Gambit is not bad

    by donduck

    it's just the oldtimers who dislike him.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Continentalop...and the answer is....

    by bacci40

    fuck if i know<p> maybe the makers are trying to allude that its the nature of the two to fight and kill, and wars were the best venue<p> or maybe its because they could waste the credit sequence with alot of explosions and bloodless, bloodletting

  • May 4, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Blob's makeup was good?!?!?

    by feeesh

    Dude you gotta be kidding me, what a joke! I liked Gambit, he was a fave of mine in the comics after my old fave "Longshot" left. But granted I understand how some can hate him, but dude, you think the Blob's makeup was any good? You last all credibility with me there. The tattoo bit was funny but that costume was so stupid and ridiculous, id rack it up next to the air blown Bane costume from the shitty Batman nipples film too.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST

    "Korea looks nothing like nam"

    by D.Vader

    That may be the case, but you ask the majority of the movie-going public (who've seen countless films on Vietnam, not so much with Korea), and they probably won't know the difference. <p> And its not just the locale- its the look of the war. There's a huge difference in uniform and firepower between WWI and WWII. I don't know how much of a difference there is between Korean and Nam (though I'm sure there's plenty).

  • May 4, 2009, 1:35 p.m. CST

    So from a purely visual standpoint...

    by D.Vader

    Im not surprised they didn't show Korea. <p> Or the Mexican-American War for that matter.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:38 p.m. CST

    The Watchman opening

    by skimn

    was based on the NY crime and nightlife photos of Weegee, made famous in the '40s and '50s. Yes, Watchmen has bounced around in development for a decade or so, but both films were shooting at just about the same time.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Why the opening credits sequence

    by D.Vader

    Well, when I first heard about a Wolverine Origins story, I really wanted to see him fight in WWII. As a kid, the idea that Wolverine was really old, old enough to be a WWII vet, was just flat out cool. <p> If there had to be a character-related reason as to why they fight, I think its as simple as saying its in their nature (which is mentioned throughout the film, their animal nature). Plus, that's just what you did back then. There's a war? Fight for the right side! You can't be hurt? Then why not join up and try to do some good? <p> I'm sure Victor was all gung-ho about it, ready to do some (legal) killing, and as the wars progress, he gets more and more bloodthirsty. Why they fight in wars is not really a motivation I think we need to see or understand.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST

    BERKSBEAR

    by SpawnofAchilles

    1. Why are you even on here, go on a CNN message board or some shit if you want to talk about the big picture. This is a movie news website with a genre skew, we talk about comic book movies a lot and we take them seriously in case you hadn't noticed, "What don't you fuckin' understand? FUCKIN' ASS. 2. Fox doesn't respect the fans, or at least Rothman doesn't, so why should we respect them and their shitty, bastardized products? 3. Rape. Rape. Rape. Rape. raperaperape RAPE! 4. You liked Wolverine, that pretty much speaks for itself. Wolverine was incredibly mediocre. The love story was a joke (what was that bullshit story with the wolverine?) there was no character development etc. etc.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Can anyone tell me (Blob question)

    by SpawnofAchilles

    Why Blob punches that tank and it explodes? Is that a power he has? And what is that power? Or was it just more bullshit from this movie?

  • May 4, 2009, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Canadians have fought in the US military in wars

    by F-18

    That's not fictional. Some have even been awarded the Medal of Honor, which is the United States' highest military decoration.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by bacci40

    you really dont care what shit is tossed on screen, do ya?

  • May 4, 2009, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Mr Spork...please provide the link

    by bacci40

    of canadians fighting under the us flag during ww2...they had their own regiments, or fought with britain

  • May 4, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    SpawnofAchilles...added for the movie

    by bacci40

    as is the whole eating disorder bit<p> it has nothing to do with the comic blob

  • May 4, 2009, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Excuse me, bacci?

    by D.Vader

    Don't be an asshole. You asked questions and I gave you answers. What don't you get about them?

  • May 4, 2009, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Blob tank punch

    by turketron_2

    I could be wrong, but I took it to be Blob being able to withstand the blast from a tank, so when he had his arm down the cannon, the tank fired and blew itself up... right?<p><p>Whatever

  • May 4, 2009, 2:12 p.m. CST

    because "NOTHING HUURTS THE BLOBBBB"

    by turketron_2

    -x men the arcade game<p>Other memorable quotes<p> "X-Men... welcome... to DIEEE"<p> "PYRO WILL TURNNN YOU TO TOOOAAASST"<p> I am Magneto... master of MAGNET(s?). HA HAHAHAHA HAAA<p>

  • May 4, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    "Nothing hurts Blob" is a classic line

    by D.Vader

    I kinda wish it had somehow been incorporated into the movie. Man, that game was RIDICULOUS.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:16 p.m. CST

    SpawnofAchilles (and turkeron)

    by soup74

    you're correct turk, blob's power (other than enhanced strength) is that he's unmovable. so by sticking his fist in the tank turret, when the cannon shot, it blew up the tank.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:27 p.m. CST

    bacci40

    by F-18

    Actually, I wasn't talking about entire regiments. What I was talking about is that foreign citizens can enlist in the US military. It's quite possible that Canadians served in the US military during WWII, but I don't know for sure. <p> The Medal of Honor recipients I referred to in my previous post were from the Civil War and the Vietnam War. Those are the only ones I now of.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:29 p.m. CST

    typo correction

    by F-18

    know of

  • May 4, 2009, 2:49 p.m. CST

    D.Vader....no, you have become an apologist

    by bacci40

    for the pos...do you own fox stock?

  • Guess I was wrong. I guess you can't see the difference between being an apologist and being able to connect the dots. Don't get upset.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Wolverine's box office had nothing to do with quality...

    by kevred

    ...and it's sadly obvious that Fox knows this. People like the character and they liked seeing lots of shiny things flying around in the trailers/commercials. That's all it took to get them to the theaters.<p>Why would Fox actually take the time to create a deep, logical, emotionally honest story when all they need is a bunch of flashy crap to make $83 million?<p>Every scene of actual intelligent drama would be one less dramatic pose by a costumed model that could be cut into a trailer.<p>So, in summary, this opening weekend has nothing to do with the film's quality. It has to do with a lot of people who didn't know, or didn't care, about the film's quality, including the filmmakers. This is one fat paycheck, nothing more.<p>And who's getting shortchanged? Not us, the geeks. We've already seen the best Wolverine stories ever told, in print. Not the thousands of dopes who saw it just to kill some time in their dull lives. Not the cast or crew, who are already on to other projects.<p>No, the losers are the kids who are growing up with this junk. This movie could have been someone's Star Wars, and instead its someone's forgettable B-movie. Some kid could have formed an emotional association with something great, instead all they've got to be sentimental about later in life is this train wreck.<p>Hopefully those same kids will be seeing Star Trek, Harry Potter, and later The Hobbit, and this flick will just be a footnote.<p>And I like Jackman and his Wolverine, so it saddens me to say it.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Wendigo would have been a great stand-alone film

    by kevred

    The Wolverine-Wendigo X-Men story could have made a great Wolvie standalone film. Could have touched on his origins, personal life, yet scaled everything down to a gritty level that made sense with the character.<p>To me, Wolverine never stood out quite as much in the big-battle/ensemble issues as he did in the smaller-scale storylines where all of his personality and abilities were given the spotlight. Doing so with this story could have been great, and scary.<p>I've also long thought that a similar approach to Van Helsing would have made it a great movie instead of the hideous monstrosity it turned out to be. Sky's-the-limit special effects capabilities are doing more harm than good, I fear.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Thanks guys

    by SpawnofAchilles

    For the Blob answers. Well said, kevred. I like Jackman and his Wolverine as well although the fact that he helped produce this mediocre crap pisses me off since he claims to care about the fans (but who knows how much control he had?) And while I have read some of the great wolverine storys, I feel shortchanged knowing how great this movie COULD have been in the right hands, and probably with a hard R rating. Lord knows Fox will never allow that.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives you fuckhead

    by F-18

    Let say, for the sake of argument, a Canadian was living in the US before during WWII. He decides to join the US military and then the US gets involved the the war. <p> It could've happened. <p> You can't say for sure that not one served with US in WWII. That's why I said it's possible. <p> The ones I mentioned that did serve in the US military I only knew about because they were award winners.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    should say "before or during WWII"

    by F-18

  • May 4, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    spawnofachilles

    by berksbear

    Thank the LORD you now know the situation regarding the Blob. Guess u can sleep better tonight now that is sorted! What a TOSSER u are - get a life!!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 3:20 p.m. CST

    oviously swiped from watchmen?

    by BMacSmith

    seriously? like they watched Watchmen a month ago and deccided to redo the whole intro? i doubt that very seriously.

  • when its apparent by what you just said to spawnofachillies that you're a troll just looking for arguments.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    re: D.Vader, the X-Men arcade game

    by turketron_2

    Yes, it was super ridiculous and a total quarter muncher. It was freakin awesome at the time... a side scrolling beat-em-up that in some arcades let up to 6 people play at once. <p><p> Remember Wolverine's "mutant power" attack in that game? He shot a fucking laser shockwave out of his claws!

  • May 4, 2009, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Turketron, that laser shockwave of Wolverine's...

    by D.Vader

    I always assumed that's what Wolverine was doing when he bangs his claws together to create that blue spark shower in the opening credits to the X-Men animated series. Sort of a nod to the video game. <p> I loved Colossus' super power, where he just erupts with rage sending out that shockwave bubble toward close range enemies. <p>X-Men: The game so large it took TWO tv screens side by side to accommodate it. I remember the poor schmoe who joined in last and had to play as the Dazzler.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Fuck! I thought the same thing!

    by turketron_2

    And for a little while I thought that it was an ability of Wolverine's and wondered why he never used it when fighting sentinels on the 90's cartoon.<p><p>I had never gotten into the comics or known much about X-Men at all until the arcade game, and then the cartoon...

  • May 4, 2009, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Who else was there, Nightcrawler?

    by D.Vader

    Was it Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Dazzler... that's all I can remember? Cyclops? <p> Wolverine and Colossus were the shit.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:44 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by turketron_2

    Nah bro, it was all about Nightcrawler! Loved his "enemy's down on the ground" attack, where he would just jump up and down on them till they died. During the fight with Magneto, Professionals would situate Nightcrawler to the background side of Magneto so it looked like he had a tail, just for the lulz.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Turketron, I thought the same thing

    by D.Vader

    I wondered if he was ever going to use that power in the show.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    SpawnofAchilles, you're right--we *were* shortchanged!

    by kevred

    I think I was just in denial about all the incredible stuff we *could* be seeing on screen if the people with the power and money to get these films made had more appreciation for the incredible source material (or were sufficiently influenced by people who do). One doesn't have to be completely authentic, but we can distinguish respect for the source material from disrespect. I think that, more than anything else, is what angers the faithful--changes for no good reason that result in an inferior product.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert's take on Wolverine is great.

    by Err

    Such classic lines as "Wolverine is 175 years old but apparently stopped aging when he got to Hugh Jacksman's age." Also, gotta love the fact Wolverine is so 1 dimensional.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Characters

    by turketron_2

    Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Cyclops, Colossus, Storm, Dazzler. Captain America and the Avengers was cool too... the flying stages had you take on this huge sentinel.<p> Thank You... QUICK SILVERRR<p>AMERICA STILL NEEDS YOUR HELP!

  • May 4, 2009, 3:47 p.m. CST

    YOU. CANNOT. BEAT. ME. HAHAHOHOHAA.

    by turketron_2

    Shit, I grew up in arcades man... Good times.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Canadians...

    by Mr.FTW

    For years the comics implied Wolverine was from Canada but ti's never been fact. The Origin min series established that Wolvering was born in American and not Canada never making him a Canadian to begin with. It has been explained he moved to the Canadian wilderness to get run away from all his problems. It's been retconed in the comics, cartoons and movies that the Weapon X project was an American military venture sometimes taking place in New York state sometimes in Canada. But as far as how or why the fought in all those American wars, probably because they liked to fight, not real hard to figure out. Even if they were pure bred Canadians they age so slowly they probably got false documentation every so often and could have appeared as American citizens to enlist. Come on guys, nerds are supposed to over annalyze this stuff.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Whatever happened to Wolverine's super sense of smell?

    by turketron_2

    Gotta love Victor splashing the unwounded nondead girlfriend with some blood, and Wolverine being fooled by it.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Don't h8 on the review

    by BlueHawaiiSurfer

    Wolverine flat out sucked, don't pick apart the review and hide that fact. This movie had some opening weekend buzz but it will not carry. I still agree 87 is BOOOOOO!!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    AsimovLives

    by Mr.FTW

    The cannon of Wolverine being Canadian was tossed out way before this movie, I'm not defending the movie but if you're going to be pissy aim the piss in the right direction.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:20 p.m. CST

    There hasnt been a SINGLE decent defense of Wolverine

    by IndustryKiller!

    And I don't think D. Vader is trying to defend it, he's been pretty realistic about the films flaws. And anyone who came up with the "I prefer metal" scenario is alright by me. But I do think Vader it's telling that when I asked you how the film could have been worse you came up with scenarios that were more ridiculous than most of the stuff in Batman and Robin. I honestly dont think that within the confines of what depths they were realistically going to plummet to with this film (for instance clearly they arent going to make WOlverine a gay pirate or a hooker with a heart of gold) that they could have made it any worse. Its scraping the very bottom of the Wolverine barrel. There isnt a single salvageable scene in the whole god damn thing. Anyone defending it always comes up with nonsensical vagaries like "Well I thought it was fun!" or "It's based on a comic book what did you expect!", the latter of which I will punch someone in the teeth for saying if I hear it in person.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:26 p.m. CST

    And if someone is going to fight in every single war

    by IndustryKiller!

    Like literally EVERY FUCKING WAR then you better give someone motivation as to why they keep reenlisting or how it affects them as a character. If it's just to fight then that makes Wolverine some kind of sociopath, which affects his character greatly, if it's about the patriotism then that is also a character defining trait ( and one Wolverine absolutely should not have). The film just glides right by it making it merely a cheap novelty for some opening credits. And The idea that having fought in like EVERY WAR and probably having witnessed hundreds if not thousands of atrocities that WOlverine would call it quits doing some black ops mission is convenient merely for the sake of moving the plot along.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:37 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by Mr.FTW

    Other than the fact that he probably just liked to fight I thought they made it pretty appearant in the movie that Victor was a sociopath and Wolverine stuck by his side for so many years and through so many wars becuase of a the bond of Victor being being his brother and looking out for him since he was a child. He fifnally had enough and quit. Also, Wolverine could have been a patriot but with each war the patriotism dwindelled just like his loyalty to Victor until there was none left. The movie might be as deep as a 1 inch hole but it did provide the answers to those specific things you're bitching about. If oyu want to bitch why don't you start with the CGI claws, those were some of the biggest flaws in the movie right there.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Following your brother into EVERY SINGLE WAR

    by IndustryKiller!

    And not realizing he's a murdering dickhead until about the 7th one in kind of makes Wolverine an idiot. Or a coward, following his brother around. Keep in mind we are talking about war, its easy to ignore that they fought in like a bajillion of them when they fly by in a credits sequence, but it's still being surrounded by chaos and death, it really shouldn't take that many for one to figure out what the score is. I mean, technically, yeah you could make that choice but the implications are pretty severe for the character of Logan.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Pathfinder's Karl Urban??!!!??

    by TheWaqman

  • May 4, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    ....he was in LOTR and Bourne Supremacy.

    by TheWaqman

  • May 4, 2009, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Well throw my dingo on the barbie...

    by Ambush Bug

  • May 4, 2009, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Ace of Wands and others

    by Continentalop

    Maybe Bug did bend the facts to fit his thesis. Happens to the best and worst critic, and TBers. Sometimes they read into things that don't exist. It isn't easy being completely neutral and non-judgmental, and I expect once in awhile that their dislike for a project blinds them to the facts. <p> And sometimes people are just make a wrong deduction. It seems a pretty understandable mistake that someone might think that maybe Wolverine was ripping of the Watchmen. He was wrong but I don't think he was doing it out of spite or malice. Everyone makes mistakes. <p> However, is insulting and mocking him really the best method of getting him to see his error? I would think a polite post telling him why you think he is mistaken would be much more effective than just attacking him. <p> Bug's response might have been defensive (and reading Bladerunners comments, I could understand why), but yours comes across as vindictive and petty.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Does Wolverine seem like a soldier

    by Continentalop

    So Wolverine has fought in every major battle since 1861 (The Civil War), including WWI, WWII, Nam, and god knows which other ones. <p> But does Wolverine seem like a soldier? Not just in this movie, but in the first three X-Men movies? He is a loner who can't take orders, doesn't work well working with others, and disrespects authority. Does that sound like a man who has operated in the army during at least 4 major conflicts? You would think after all that time he would have learned how to operate within an organization and understand the concept of chain of command. <p> Secondly, for someone with so much battle experience he shows very little knowledge of tactics and strategy in the other X-Men movies. I don't see him setting up ambushes, figuring out the opponents plans or pulling of any sort of military tactics. Every fight is basically him popping his claws and him fighting like a mad man. <p> For someone with over 150 years of military experience, he sure doesn't come across as someone who has ever been in the army.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST

    So far, off to a bad start.

    by BerserkerMutant

    Thanks, Fox. I almost fell for the hype. A big shout out to all those TBers who pointed out the ludicrous qualities of XMO:W. And Marvel, you ought to be ashamed of what you let them do to your cash cow. I'm getting over it. My only hope now is that Star Trek and Terminator: Salvation help us forget this mess.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Good obsrevation, Op.

    by BerserkerMutant

    I always wondered about that in the comics. For years, we were led to believe that Logan was this maverick troubled-loner. Then, starting with Larry Hama I believe, various writers started playing up his military background, showing that it was more extensive than we thought. Guess it seemed like a cool idea at the time, but was the beginning of the avalanche of storylines that diluted the character, making him to me, and quite a few others apparently, less potent. Too much info. He was a lot more fun back when Chris Claremont wrote him and any reader who took a moment to stop and think would say, "He's a basket case! Here is a guy who would never make it in the real world."

  • May 4, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    "Adamantium bullet"

    by BerserkerMutant

    ...is the new "jumped the shark".

  • May 4, 2009, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Will not pay to see this.

    by TedKordLives

    Advise all to do the same. <P> DeadTermiClops, indeed.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    And...

    by TedKordLives

    Blue Beetle could take out Wolverine with his BB Gun. Blind him, then blow him into a wall. Wolvie's unconcious. Game over.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a wise decision, Ted.

    by BerserkerMutant

    Yer makin' me nostalgic. I wish DC would hurry up and bring back the best incarnation of that character.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:25 p.m. CST

    DeadTermiClops

    by BerserkerMutant

    Sounds like something you come down with after an especially wild trip to Southeast Asia.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Oh, he's coming

    by TedKordLives

    He's gonna be a zombie Black Lantern. And if Johns doesn't have him defect to the Blue Lanterns (with Booster's help or not), I'm gonna mentally will his head to explode. <P> Oh, and wild trips to SE Asia-you speaking from experience, Berserker? I gotta ask.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Mr.FTW...when did they toss out wolvie being canadian?

    by bacci40

    i missed that, but i stopped reading most of the marvel shite back in 98

  • May 4, 2009, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Awesome!

    by BerserkerMutant

    Johns, y'heard the man, right? Keep your head! It's how you make money!! Good lord, no, Ted. But I've heard some gnarly stories.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Mr.FTW...you are totally full of shit

    by bacci40

    so i go back to your original post about "origin" having wolvie being born in america...YOU FUCKIN NEVER READ THE COMIC, CUZ HE IS BORN IN CANADA IN IT...so either they retconned his origina again, or you are just being a dick...AND WEAPON X HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CANADIAN PROJECT...now go away little boy...you bother me

  • May 4, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    You tell 'em Colonel!

    by TedKordLives

    Ah, a reference to 'The Stuff'. Fucking classic.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Damn!

    by TedKordLives

    A reference to 'The Stuff' stops the TB in its tracks. I can only assume everyone is out renting or watching 'The Stuff' now. Micheal Moriarty fucking rules in that movie.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I'm I the only guy

    by Series7

    Who actually liked Gambit? He was my favorite character until I found out about Deadpool. I mean as I've gotten older I don't like him as much but I think he is fun, I mean he doesn't take this shit to seriously. And seeing that I was a kid who learned about X-Men through the cartoon show not the comics too many of the other characters were too fucking serious. Gambit just wanted to have fun and bang the chick he couldn't.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Her name was Logan, she was a show girl

    by Wolverines_Leaky_Workprint

  • May 4, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Series 7

    by TedKordLives

    I know a guy that fucking loves Gambit. I think he's ok, but I'm not a big X-Fan. I mean, I gave all my friends appropriate DC nicknames, but he insisted I call him Remy. And he's not even that into comics! <P> Yeah, I know I'm a big fucking dork, but I've got a Scarab tatooed over my heart. So fuck it.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    You're Wrong

    by rsk_taker

    Agent Zero’s gun fu was fun but the opening intro was lame? That's retarded. The intro was sick and Zero sucked bad. All his action scenes were not only stupid, but they didn't make any sense. Why does Stryker send him in himself while holding everyone back?! It's X3 strategy all over again (i.e. Mageneto losing his army THEN taking out the guns afterwards).

  • May 4, 2009, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Ted

    by Continentalop

    I still morn the death of Chocolate Chip Charlie. <p> And Michael Moriarty rules in that AND in Q! Don't ever forget about Q!

  • May 4, 2009, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Q!

    by TedKordLives

    One of the first Terror Thursdays I saw after I moved to Austin. And my introduction to the awesomeness of Larry Cohen and Moriarty. I now own every one of their collaborations. <P> Even It's Alive III:Island of the Alive. Which is actually pretty awesome in a batshit crazy sort of way: "Shark? Shark? Sure! What the hell good's bein' shipwrecked without the fuckin' shark?"

  • May 4, 2009, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Conti:

    by TedKordLives

    Just wanted you to know you're one of the coolest people on here, in my book.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Biggest issue with the movie was Stryker

    by Series7

    He was just weak and boring, why they let this uncharismatic pussy ruin their lives was pretty unbelievable especially seeing that nothing bothers or stops these mutants from doing anything they want.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:42 p.m. CST

    "The only thing Choclate Chip Charlie knows better than fighting

    by TedKordLives

    "Pick a di-rection."

  • May 4, 2009, 9:43 p.m. CST

    ...is running!"

    by TedKordLives

    Goddamn subject line. First time it's happened to me.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Canadians in U.S. Civil War

    by bRoc

    "Canadians" (confederation came in 1867, after the war) did fight in the Civil War for various reasons. Obviously, Canadian sympathies were largely with the Union side, but some people enlisted for mundane reasons like employment, etc. I'm a Canadian, and I proudly display my great great grandfathers discharge papers framed on my wall. Even though they were on the same side, I think me ol' gramps woulda shoved his bayonet up Hugh and Lieb's asses. That is if comic books/movies were real, which they're not.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Ambush Bug

    by gotilk

    Worst of the Interwebs? Have you been to youtube?? ;)

  • May 4, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/dfs3yj

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • May 4, 2009, 10 p.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/dfs3yj

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • May 5, 2009, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Why the dingo barbie call?

    by OutlawsDelejos

    Was that a jab at Australians? Seems unnecessary.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:56 a.m. CST

    So, is this the TB that doesn't like X-Men Origins: Wolverine?

    by The Dum Guy

    'Cause I kinda liked it... in the 'I like huffing fumes now and then, but know it isn't good' kinda way.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Just read on Comingsoon.net...

    by berksbear

    ...Wolverine 2 is being planned by Jackman's production company. You guys better start ranting about it now or else what have you got in your lives?

  • May 5, 2009, 2:36 a.m. CST

    So wolverine sucks and Star Trek rocks...

    by elwood_p_dud

    that's interesting. I wasn't giving Star Trek much of a chance when this was first mentioned so maybe I'll take the 10 bucks I was going to use on Wolverine and go see Star Trek instead! I've had it with Fox until they prove they can make a good movie again. Fox sucks donkey balls.

  • May 5, 2009, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Ace

    by Continentalop

    I am not his mommy, but we have had tender moments together. And I have nursed him in the past.<p> But if you reread his post you will see he says he forgot how guttural the film TBs can be, and then in a separate paragraph he mentions how the Wolverine movie still could ripped off The Watchmen. His assessment was wrong, but I do not believe he was insulting those who called him out on it. He was appearantly just making an observation about how much more venomous these talkbacks can be (and seeing the post above his, I can understand why he came to that conclusion), and than making another statement on why he thinks it was feasible for Wolverine to have ripped off the X-Men. <p> I believe the problem was that for some reason there was not the normal gap that happens when you make a new paragraph. But if you look at the end of his first sentence – “interweb, folks.” – you’ll see that are at least 30 some more characters that could have been on that line, giving me the impression that he had intended to create a new paragraph and change the subject but for some reasons it didn’t work as planned (possible technical error?) , creating the appearance that the two comments were someone connected and that was insulting those who dared to try and correct him. <p> In hindsight I can understand why you would come to the conclussion he was being a “tosser” but I think it was, as I suggested, a technical error and a misunderstanding between everyone.

  • May 5, 2009, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the backup Continentalop, but it's unecessary.

    by Ambush Bug

    Ace of Wands is just taking this a bit too seriously.<br><br> As angry as folks are getting about my assumption about the Wolvie slo mo intro, it's funny that there are those who would swear up and down that I am wrong without proof otherwise. I just saw two very similar intros in two comic book movies; one coming out later than the other with the latter well known for having reshoots done very recently and thought it was kind of suspicious. That's all. If I'm wrong. I won't lose sleep over it. If you want to continue to swear up and down that I am wrong about something you can't prove true or false, I won't stop you.<br><br> I will admit that my word choice in the review may have been a bit off in suggesting that it was a definite fact rather than something that made my eyebrows raise. But...uhm...my bad. Is it really worth getting this worked up over?<br><br> And my comments about the gutteral TBs are kind of valid IMO considering that a flame war broke out not ten posts into this TB. And someone is calling me a "tosser" over and over as if it's supposed to offend me or show me how tough someone can be over the internet.<br><br> Shrug...

  • May 5, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Ambush re "tosser"

    by WT

    Tosser is an English variant on "jerkoff". The only defence of Wolverine I've seen so far is $87m opening. Considering the print leak, that's impressive. However, it should also be said the Planet of the Apes remake opened at no.1 too. Like with Watchmen, the real test will be how well it does over the course of the month. Personally, I would reccomend saving the Wolverine money and going to see Coraline instead.

  • May 5, 2009, 5:18 a.m. CST

    RESPECT THE BUG!

    by Iowa Snot Client

    I loves me some Ambush Bug, aka, He Who Can Spell.

  • May 5, 2009, 5:36 a.m. CST

    He's a top chap

    by WT

    I like his reviews, and he's very level headed and honest. Got to respect that. I was only explaining the word. Personally I think he's better than Peter Gabriel and Chris Morris combined :D

  • May 5, 2009, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Time For A Masked Wolverine...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...in a yellow and blue costume. Or the John Byrne brown.

  • May 5, 2009, 9:11 a.m. CST

    The slow-mo opening montage was in before the reshoots

    by raw_bean

    Remember the workprint version that leaked and how eager Fox was to declare that it was out of date since (amongst other things) it was an edit from before the reshoots were done? The slow-mo battle montage was in that print, albeit with partially finished effects. I thought it was the coolest thing in the first half of the film. I never bothered with the second half.

  • May 5, 2009, 9:53 a.m. CST

    wolverine origins= brian bendis

    by slutpunch

    the movie is alot like his writing, its like you have a good idea but you just couldn't pull it off

  • May 5, 2009, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Wolverine was a waste

    by unclebusu

    I cannot believe how poorly that film turned out. I thought the first trailer looked awesome, but by the second reel I was annoyed I was there. http://drivein77.typepad.com/drivein77/

  • May 5, 2009, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Superb review of Wolverine by AmbushBug

    by Second Try

    Great work!

  • May 5, 2009, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Alternate Endings

    by MABulous

    So, does anybody know of a decent link to any of the alternate endings? There are a few opsted on YouTube, but they all look like they were taken with a cell phone and are pretty much unwatchable...

  • May 5, 2009, 4:19 p.m. CST

    BOOOOO!

    by TedKordLives

    BOO.

  • May 5, 2009, 6:30 p.m. CST

    wolverine is walking around with a hole in his head

    by juice willis

    ...or at least a hole in the adamantium that covers his regenerated skull. fuck this movie. it's the equivalent of a cinematic big mac. lots of people may be eating this kind of shit, but that don't make it haute cuisine.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    I've Been A Tosser Since Age 12

    by Buzz Maverik

    I was over at my friend's house. We'd been shoplifting comic books, some of which might have featured Wolverine and his aunt came over and she was, like, in her late 20s and was wearing a tight skirt and had a low cut blouse and long, lush dark hair tied up like a gypsy and I said to my friend, "Here, you can read my comics, I gotta use your bathroom like NOW!"<p>True story. Except that Wolverine probably wasn't in any of the comics we'd shoplifted because in those days, he was only in approximately one comic book that came out every other month!<p>No lie.

  • May 6, 2009, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Ace of Wands =

    by flippypog

    another pathetic loser.

  • May 6, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I Stand By My Story. To Clarify, Though...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...having read my post, which was written in my vocal style of the time in which the story took place, it was my friend's aunt and not Wolverine's.<p>Although there was this one time when I was reading the AVENGERS and I realized that the Scarlet Witch looked a lot like my friend's aunt and...<p>Okay, more than one time.

  • May 6, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST

    woah, an article with pictures and a reasonable font..

    by ulcer

    welcome to the year 2000

  • May 6, 2009, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Can Anyone Explain To Me....

    by GoodTimeBobby

    ...why the far older and advanced space-faring culture of the Romulans has names based in ancient Roman Mythology/History? Nero, Remus, etc....

  • May 7, 2009, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Can Anyone Explain To Me....

    by AlexDecay

    Mmm.... wrap your head around this one: If the Romulans are a "far older and advanced space-faring culture", isn't is possible [IN THIS CONTEXT] that the Romans, in fact, have names based on the Romulans? Expanding this theory, it could also explain the pre-Christian Roman gods/deities - a la Stargate. But this is purely in context with the Star Trek plot.

  • May 7, 2009, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Where does the fault lie?

    by AlexDecay

    I've read this entire talkback from the top, all the way down. Aside from some puerile, ignorant comments, I've noticed something. Everyone has a 'rant' based on what they expected. 1. What would have made X-Men Origins: Wolverine perfect? Hypothetically, after reading all the criticism, to make the movie 'perfect' would be to cater to all tastes of all markets for all consumers. Obviously this is practically impossible, but it was made even more so by a simple fact: THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSION OF WOLVERINE. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_versions_of_Wolverine) When you read a novel, the sensory perceptions created by your imagination are unique to you. You create an experience in your own mind, scripted by the author. When you listen to music, emotions are evoked based on your experiences, influences, memories, and tastes. When you read a Wolverine comic, you formulated an opinion, an image, a general perception of who/what Wolverine is. Unfortunately, it is unique to yourself - we all have different ideas of how Wolverine should look and act. YET, this expectation gap this is compounded by the fact that there are MULTIPLE versions of Wolverine. Implication: not only do we all have different opinions of Wolverine, but now there are MULTIPLE conflicting opinions out there. Making a cinematic movie (a completely different medium to comics and graphic novels) about Wolverine is pretty much up to the filmmakers - and their unique opinions. They bought the rights to the "Wolverine" character, and now they own it. They can do whatever they want. They bought the rights to make a movie. They made a movie to make money. In fact, they made a lot of money. This is, in our society, called a "successful" movie. But criticism has been passed due to this movie not being "true" to the characters. How can it be true (and exact) if there is no defined standard? (Refer to link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_versions_of_Wolverine) We can complain as much as we want - the movie was made the way Gavin Hood & co wanted to make it, and everyone on this forum (I'm assuming) paid to watch it. The bottom line is: No matter how the movie turned out, there would still be an army of people complaining. There would never be a perfect Wolverine movie. (Or any movie, for that matter.) Please - if you feel that you can do better, purchase the rights to "Wolverine" yourself. You've seen it, you weren't impressed - but what else can you do? Nothing. Keep complaining, because no-one can here you. And those that matter - don't care. They're not in the business of catering to your whims. 2. It's just a movie. It was a 2 hour experience. If a fictional character makes you so angry, you probably don't relate to real people that well. I'm definitely inferring that you, quite possibly, are a 40-year-old virgin, low-level employee, living with your parents, and just going through the motions of life. Your only escape is in the FICTIONAL world of FICTION - and this is why you're so emotional and vocal on an anonymous forum. This is all you have in life, and you can't let someone take it away. You're like that old guy at a WWE press conference - crying his heart out and refusing to believe IT ISN'T REAL. Thanks for your time, if you're reading this. Zander de Klerk (PS - this forum is awesome - purely for the drama!)

  • May 7, 2009, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Romulan....

    by GoodTimeBobby

    ...hey im just asking cause im honesty curious. i thought some trekker out there could quote an example in the trek cannon where they tried to explain it- seems like something a sci-fi writer working in the trek universe would try to grapple with.

  • May 11, 2009, 1 a.m. CST

    I actually liked Wolverine...

    by Serious Black

    ...seriously.

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