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Roberto Orci And Alex Kurtzman Boldly Break Down The Writing Of STAR TREK For Mr. Beaks!

Call it J.J. Abrams's STAR TREK if you like, but Paramount would probably still be mulling over a reboot of Gene Roddenberry's groundbreaking sci-fi series today were it not for the brainstorming efforts of screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. The key? Finding a way into the original series' (TOS) universe without violating the narrative Prime Directive - i.e. Thou Shalt Not Interfere With Canon. Their solution of an alternative timeline (driven by a revenge-seeking Romulan and protected by an elderly Spock) may not be the most breathtakingly brilliant invention in the history of film, but it was likely the only way the writing duo could get free and clear of established events while still playing to the base. These are the other voyages of the Starship Enterprise. There will be deviations. But the heart of TREK - Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov and Scotty - will remain intact; it's just that when they encounter Klingons or Tribbles or Khan, the outcome is bound to be different. Except when it's not. On one hand, Orci and Kurtzman are playing with house money; they've got carte blanche to rewrite the entirety of TREK without drawing fire from the purists. But therein lies the problem: will they - along with Abrams and LOST co-creator Damon Lindelof - be able to reach the heights of classics like "The City on the Edge of Forever", "Amok Time" and THE WRATH OF KHAN? Or will this alternate STAR TREK devolve into a compromised, play-to-the-cheap-seats bastardization of Roddenberry's vision? One gets the sense that Roberto Orci would just as soon take a staff job on GENERAL HOSPITAL as travesty the most beloved science-fiction franchise of the last fifty years. Fucking up STAR TREK is probably not high on Alex Kurtzman's to-do list either, but, as he acknowledges in the below interview, Orci is the Trek expert of the two. Together, they've quickly gone from in-demand tentpole screenwriters (their credits include TRANSFORMERS and its forthcoming sequel, MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III and THE ISLAND) to big-time TV/movie producers (they've just completed the first season of FRINGE and have the Sandra Bullock/Ryan Reynolds romantic comedy THE PROPOSAL due this June). But it'd all be for naught if they botched STAR TREK - which, thankfully, they haven't. Perhaps it's a good thing that Paramount dissuaded them from blowing up the Enterprise in their first film. That's not a joke. We also discuss the development of the script, the involvement of Lindelof, the seeming inevitability of Khan, and much more.

Mr. Beaks: What was you level of familiarity with STAR TREK before you started writing the screenplay?

Alex Kurtzman: It was very intense, but in different ways. Roberto Orci: My familiarity was pretty high. [I'm] not the ultimate geek; several people at conventions could outrank me easily. But it was certainly high. I'd read most of the novels that I could get my hands on, I was a die-hard fan of a lot of the series, etc. Kurtzman: I had been a huge fan of the original series when it was on reruns when I was a kid. Then WRATH OF KHAN was kind of the big bang for me in terms of locking in on TREK.

Beaks: Prior to writing the screenplay, when you were kicking around ideas with J.J., did you guys go back and watch a lot of original series episodes?

Orci: I didn't. [To Kurtzman:] And I don't think you did either. Kurtzman: I went back and read a lot of them actually. Bob had been an enormous fan of THE NEXT GENERATION when we were in high school, and I was not. He was saying, "You've got to watch this show, it's so unbelievable!" And I was like, "Yeah, yeah." But I finally went back and read every single episode, and was totally stunned by how brilliant it was and how well it had evolved. That was my re-entry point. Then I reread a bunch of the novels. But I think we'd-- Orci: But that was after we had the idea for the story already. Kurtzman: Yeah. Orci: Once we came up with what we thought the story should be, and we pitched it to J.J. and the studio, that's when we went back and started rereading everything and kind of making sure we were on the right track.

Beaks: So you guys went on your own and brainstormed, and then pitched J.J. on the idea.

Orci: Right.

Beaks: How long did you have to brainstorm before you seized on the idea that you ended up using?

Orci: Eight months. Maybe. And it was eight months before we ever said we'd do it. We just thought about it, and... [to Kurtzman] you tell the story about Marc Evans. Kurtzman: I'd been having dinner with Marc Evans, who's one of the execs at Paramount. He's a friend of mine. Orci: And also a STAR TREK fan. Kurtzman: And he casually mentioned at dinner, "Would you guys ever think about doing STAR TREK?" And I kind of dropped my fork. I knew that it was such a big choice. It's such an enormous responsibility. And Bob had been such a huge, huge fan, that... this was not something to enter into lightly. We thought about it for, honestly, between six months to a year because the fear of messing it up was so frightening that-- Orci: We didn't think we were going to do it. Kurtzman: And then after a while, we realized the fear was exactly the reason we had to do it, because we felt like we had to protect it. And that if we went to some new TREK movie and felt that whatever choices were made were choices we disagreed with, we'd have nobody to blame but ourselves. So we started talking about the story and what we wanted, and I think immediately we both felt that there was no version of this other than a Kirk-Spock story. Orci: And yet how do you do that and be respectful. So that's when we hit upon the idea of Leonard Nimoy, and having him be responsible for this new timeline. That's when we knew we could go in and say, "Okay, we've got something."

Beaks: When you brought it to J.J., what did he add?

Orci: I mean, once we had the story, you have to go figure out so many millions of details and scenes. And you can't be in a room with [Abrams] without him coming up with ten million ideas: from how Kirk sneaks onto the Enterprise, to the gun battle that happens on Nero's ship - we originally had that as a fistfight. You just go through every detail. We would give him thirty pages at a time, and he would give us notes. Kurtzman: The other thing is that J.J. is a self-acknowledged... he had not been a "Trekkie" or a "Trekker" growing up. So his objectivity was actually critical for us. We all knew that what we wanted to get out of this was a movie that hopefully satisfied fans but also brought in a new fanbase to this extremely wonderful franchise that we all love. There have been a lot of reasons we'd heard why people dismiss TREK: it's too cold, it's too sci-fi , women don't like it. We thought J.J. was a perfect barometer for that audience. Orci: It wasn't going to be good enough for us to say, "Well, that's how it was in STAR TREK." He was going to say, "Well, I don't care! Why is that good here?" It had to stand on its own merits, and we knew that his objectivity would be the filter for everything.

Beaks: I have to ask: was the "Guardian of Forever" ever an element in your story?

Orci: No.

Beaks: You mentioned THE WRATH OF KHAN. That's obviously considered the high point of TREK on film. We know that Nicholas Meyer was not a STAR TREK fan before he came to the property, so he was kind of like J.J. in that regard.

Orci: Right.

Beaks: Do you know if J.J. went back and watched old episodes?

Kurtzman: Sure. He saturated his brain on every level. Orci: Once he decided he was going to direct it. (Laughs)

Beaks: Did you ever meet with Nicholas Meyer?

Kurtzman: We met Nick Meyer when we were doing STAR TREK DVD interviews. We actually passed on a soundstage. Orci: And I actually kneeled before him. Kurtzman: Bob fell to his knees, and I grabbed his hand. (Laughs) He was so kind and generous. He's literally the reason that I wanted to make a STAR TREK movie.

Beaks: What was Damon Lindelof's involvement in the writing of the script?

Kurtzman: We cannot overemphasize how important he was. He and Bob both shared the fanatic TREK point of view; they both were extremely familiar with every detail of history. He was so critical in the story-breaking process as well. Orci: Yeah, he really helped the story. You can't come in and pitch scenes to J.J. and Damon - and he was there every time we got together - without them literally improvising dialogue right then and there that you must write down, that has to go in the script. They're just that fast. So their spices are all over the script.

Beaks: You've probably been writing STAR TREK episodes in your head since you were a kid, but when you finally sat down to write an actual STAR TREK script, was it difficult to nail the voices of these iconic characters?

Kurtzman: I have to say that it was weirdly like snuggling up to a warm blanket. I think what was weird about it was that it wasn't hard for us to get the voices. What was challenging was making sure that you found those moments that you know you need, like Scotty's famous lines or Bones's famous lines. Any context that you were going to get for those needed to feel extremely organic and extremely real and not like we were cartooning those moments. The minute we cartooned those moments, we knew we'd be dead in the water. That was the challenge: making it all feel very organic. Orci: Kirk was hard. I thought the other characters were, like Alex said, a warm blanket. Kirk took us a minute. Kurtzman: I think it's because he was more outwardly a rebel than he'd ever been in any other iteration of Kirk. Orci: We couldn't hide behind him being Captain already. We had to really find his voice. Kurtzman: James Dean in REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE is who we really had in mind, though Dean was much more internal in that movie.

Beaks: But when you actually wrote "Damn it, Jim!" as an organic, unforced line of dialogue, surely there were high fives exchanged.

Kutztman: Totally! Orci: Completely! (Laughs) You've got us pegged.

Beaks: Were there any no-go areas in the writing of the scripts? Anything that you specifically did not want to touch with this first film?

Orci: Once we had the idea? I mean, we had things we changed. We had Carol Marcus in an early draft, we had Nurse Chapel in an early draft, we had a few other shout-outs, but they were just taking up time. The "no-go" rule was that it had to serve our core characters, and if it's not doing that, then we need to look at it again. Kurtzman: At one point, we were very foolishly thinking about blowing up the Enterprise.

Beaks: Seriously?

Kurtzman: The studio could not have been more supportive on every level on every decision that was made. The only note we ever got was "Do not blow up the Enterprise." (Laughs) And we were like, "Yeah, you're right." Orci: (Laughing) We didn't fight it at all.

Beaks: Well, it took them until the third movie to blow up the Enterprise. You've got to work up to that. That's a big move.

Orci: I agree.

Beaks: Do you see yourself getting to that point?

Orci: Now that we have it, I never want to get rid of it. Blow up the Enterprise? Never!

Beaks: You guys aren't going to give me a real answer on this, but I'm going to ask anyway. Have you considered working Khan into a subsequent film?

Kurtzman: Who? Orci: The honest answer is if you're a TREK fan, there's no way Khan isn't at the top of the list of things you want to play with, right?

Beaks: Right.

Orci: It'll just be whether or not it's the right thing to do.

Beaks: That's another iconic character with a very distinctive voice. How would you write Khan if you were to take that character on?

Kurtzman: The whole reason we came to this idea of an alternative timeline was so that everyone could feel that canon was being respected while giving us freedom to have the future be unwritten. I think that leaves you as much or as little room for interpretation as you'd like in terms of some of the key characters. Orci: I think if this works, it'll be because it sometimes does what would've happened in the other timeline, and it sometimes doesn't. It's sort of a harmony - and finding that right balance will the be key if we do it.

Sadly, I had to wrap up before I pressed them on a forthcoming Gorn appearance. Next time. STAR TREK opens this Friday, May 8th, but you knew that already. You can also check out STAR TREK: COUNTDOWN, a four-part graphic novel based on a story by Orci and Kurtzman. Faithfully submitted, Mr. Beaks

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  • May 4, 2009, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Whats with the blowjobs Beaks? These guys are terrible

    by IndustryKiller!

    Their Transformers script remains to this day the worst script I've ever read. I think Trek will be good in spit of these clowns, not because of them. Even your former colleague Feraci liked the movie but said hte script was awful.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Their "Trek" script sucked balls.

    by V'Shael

    It wasn't Trek. It was more like Galaxy Quest meets Independence Day. <p>

  • May 4, 2009, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Leave Khan alone

    by Horace Cox

    They already nailed that story with TWOK. Not to say a new Khan story couldn't be done, but to revisit it would invite such intense fan scrutiny the pressure would be insane. And if they didn't top it nothing short of spectacularly, I think it would be considered a failure. There's just too much chance of a letdown since it's damn near impossible to improve on the original.<p> Give us some original stories with this cast, maybe using some lesser known previously established characters like they did with Khan. Boldly go where no other writers have gone before...

  • May 4, 2009, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Why do i hear...

    by pitti71

    that people cant wait to see another adventure all the time ? Why didnt they try to make "a stand alone adventure" - that yes, concludes the introduction . seems people leave the theater after the dinner was kind of small....

  • May 4, 2009, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Orci and Kurtzman can go fuck Jorge Garcia.

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 4, 2009, 4:32 a.m. CST

    V'Shael? Are you for real? Their Trek script kicked ass!

    by The Gospel According to Bastardface

    It's the best feature they've ever written. By a mile.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:38 a.m. CST

    V'Shael an asshole

    by optimus122

    It had to be said...So is one takes them seriously in real life or with it.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Get Nimoy to direct the next one.

    by Rolling_Stone

    He may do a great job.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:10 a.m. CST

    optimus122 - nobody takes any of us seriously...

    by JuanSanchez

    certainly not in real life and I wouldn't think here either. I mean - I don't take anyone here seriously and I don't expect them to take me seriously either.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Nimoy needs to direct 3 Men and a Street-Walking Lady.

    by JuanSanchez

    Sellick, Danson and Guttenberg aren't getting any younger.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Orci and Kurtzman suck Donkey Balls

    by Trannyformers_Apologist

    It's true I read it in a book. Fuck you if you think otherwise. Transformers script gave me dysentery. <P> The Island RIPPED OFF how many different movies? The Star Trek script is definitely suspect. HACKs need to get Bay's coked up cock out of your mouth and shove it back into your smelly asshole! All Bayformers fans need to die.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Alternative timeline was not necessary ,

    by Gungan Slayer

    to reboot Star Trek, and THAT's what pisses me off about this film. I'm glad it's getting good reviews, and I'm excited about the new film and I will go see it, BUT, Trek could have easily been rebooted working with the already pre-established canon/timeline. ALSO---I love Kirk and crew, but I'm fucking tired of them. Say what you will, but Trek is much more than just Kirk and company. A new crew should have been introduced for this new series.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:07 a.m. CST

    alternative timeline was also easy way out...

    by Gungan Slayer

    Using an alternative timeline is also an easy cop out to deal with everything that's already been established over the decades in Star Trek. In other words, lazy writing and/or unwillingness to really challenge themselves as writers. Again, I'm not dissing the movie as a whole, just a certain aspect of it. Call it nitpicky, call it being a Trekkie (which I'm not in all honesty, Star Wars fan here) or call it being a douchebag, I don't care.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:19 a.m. CST

    New ideas please people

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Kirk-Spock origin stories, recasting Khan...what a lot of fanwank. If you can't invent breathtaking new ideas you shouldn't be in the film industry. The worst thing that happened to the movies over the past 15 years is that the fanboys took control.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Overall, not bad

    by The StarWolf

    But they really needed someone to look over their shoulder and remove a few gaffes. The "three minutes to Vulcan" line, when they've just left Earth orbit, for example. Also, Khan? Please! The Genesis effect reworks the surface of a planet. This new weapon makes the entire planet disappear. And now that the Federation knows the technology is possible, they'll be working on it night and day until they find how to make it work. Plus, after all this, the directive will be "No more cruise ship designs such as NCC 1701-D. With that sort of threat out there, from now on it's the biggest, nastiest battleships we can build." It will be a very different Federation.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Good interview

    by InfinityWave

    I didn't have much respect for them based on their past work - but they come across as good guys.<br><br> It's not hard to consider this'll be the best thing they've written, considering Lindelhof's involvement AND that they're working with established creative properties which are just a liiitle more rounded than the Transformers. They may not be the world's greatest writers but I'm rooting for them.<br><br> Looking forward to the movie... on DVD this Christmas. Not in a crowded theatre. (Thanks, Captain Tripps!)

  • May 4, 2009, 6:51 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    That's why I feel bad slamming them, they do come across as genuinely enthusiastic nice people. <p> Seeing the film Thursday night, intrigued as to how it will play out.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:07 a.m. CST

    burger king glasses?

    by Bouncy X

    wow.....i havent seen a movie do that in forever, i thought it was a "lost art". lol

  • May 4, 2009, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Why I'm not going to see star trek (spoilers)

    by Alphanumeric1971

    1) the new design of the Enterprise, just looks like ass to me. But I could get past that. 2) The complete reimagining of the look of the technology of the future. But hey! they have to update it for a modern audience right? I have to try a little harder, but can get past this too. 3) time travel. To me this was WAY overused and abused in the last few series, and to me is a sign of a writer who can't come up with a half decent idea on his own. But hey we have to update it for the new millennium right? and we have to explain how this all changes what we supposedly know about star trek right? which leads me into number 4) Which is more of an aside to number 2 Seriously, how can one romulan guy traveling back throught time change the complete look of the ENTIRE FEDERATION!? Before the hallways of the enterprice were angular grey and cramped. Now they're wide and white. In this time frame we had Phase Pistols NOT phasers. and they were black and had the personal phaser built into them. now they're shiny and silver. Uniforms are now covered in tiny starfleet chevrons nevermind the fact that starfleet did this to honour Kirk and his crew for surviving their five year mission. That before this the constitution class vessels each had their own insignia. etc, etc, etc. But for me the final straw, was learning that Vulcan is destroyed and Spocks mother Amanda dies. This so FUCKS up the timeline in so many different ways it makes my head explode. But hey! we have to prove that we mean business! We have to show everybody that there is going to be no deus ex machina reset. we have to prove to everybody that this "isn't your fathers star trek" (Although what was wrong with my dads star trek to begin with?) And so what if some third rate character dies right? I mean we only ever saw her like what three times? Pffft. nobody will miss her. And so after reading about that. I quietly sat there for awhile and deeply thought about it. I then came to this simple conclusion. Fuck it. I'm going home.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I like Star Trek but am not a die hard

    by Darth Busey

    And from what I've seen/heard so far, this movie sounds great. I was a giant Transformers fan as a kid, and I thought the movie was totally enjoyable, and even my wife (who hates sci-fi stuff) liked the Shia/Shia's parents stuff in that one. Orci and Kurtzman are making geek properties accessible to the mainstream. I don't get the massive amount of hate.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Alphanumeric1971 you are a NERD

    by Tallguyme

    Take a fucking valium and chill the fuck out man. Skip the movie, and just go rewatch the Original Series over and over and over and over...

  • May 4, 2009, 7:47 a.m. CST

    What if...

    by Josh Acid

    Now stay with me -- *what if* Star Trek II picks up from this new alternate timeline, and that's how Khan knows Chekov? D'WHAT.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:38 a.m. CST


    by Johnny T Williams

    Holy shit man. Make that two valiums, you really seem to need it. I'll go see this, but I'm still not sure about this guys. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by drturing

    I just want you to know that having sex with a woman is as good as they say.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:56 a.m. CST

    there's a lot of nerd envy in here

    by Browncoat_Jedi

    Are all you jerks a bunch of failed screenwriters whining about successful writers you only wish you could be like? Go cry, emo kids!

  • May 4, 2009, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    They get paid and that’s all these hacks care about.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:02 a.m. CST

    DO NOT

    by skydemon

    Ever, blow up the Enterprise again. It was ok once, but we've been there, done that too many times already.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST

    No, no, no, no, no- a rebooted Khan? No, no, no, no, no

    by YackBacker

  • May 4, 2009, 9:10 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    I bet your favorite X-Files episode is "Home".

  • May 4, 2009, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    Sure, we'd all LOVE to have the money these two shit flinging chimps make as Michael Bay/J.J. Abrams cum dumpsters but most of us couldn’t look at ourselves in the mirror knowing that we wrote such shit as The Legend of Zorrow, The Island, Transformers 1, Mission : Impossible 3, Transformers 2 and Star Trek.<br> <br>Just look at David Koepp. When people talk about the movies he wrote do they laud his skill as a screenwriter? No and that’s because he’s a fucking hack, just like these two, who writes committee driven studio shit.<br> <br>Where are our modern day Paddy Chayefsky’s, Robert Towne’s and Paul Schrader’s?

  • May 4, 2009, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by Eonz_Higlo

    you know where they are? in a fucking shed with all the other brilliant film makers. who owns this shed? tom rothman....and as we all know, his favorite past time is waterboarding...

  • May 4, 2009, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Abrams and Lindelof

    by veritasses

    I get the feeling ST is more about Abrams and Lindelof's input and storytelling skills (as well as the skills of the rest of the cast and crew) then it is Orci and Kurtzman's writing. It's really hard to reconsile Transformers otherwise...

  • May 4, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    I'd agree with you, but the overwhelming fact that 90% of what these two assclowns write turns out to be pure shit (TRANSFORMERS being the ultimate proof that if you market a turd slickly enough and with enough Bay signature low-angle-circling-aforementioned-shit-with-azure-blue-sky-background shots, and with that fucking annoying sub-Zimmer overemotional "score" he has booming through every scene of the movie (I'm waiting for the scene in TF2 where Shai takes a shit to an orchestral swell so breathtaking that the audience will be moved to tears at the object of Spielberg's devotion taking a dump) - THE MORONS WILL COME OUT TO SEE IT. TRANSFORMERS was demonstrably shit by pretty much every half-decent critical standard you put it against, so - no, this isn't envy, we really DO think these hacks suck. And they ARE hacks - mediocre screenwriters who get paid to write more mediocre shit because the studios don't want a movie for the ages, that wil be seen as a modern classic twenty years from now, they want a big-ass opening weekend, a few weeks of legs, then a massive DVD blitz that will last as long as it takes for people to remember the movie is shit, and then every charity shop in the world will be swamped by copies of said movie.<P> Like the CreepyThinMan said. Where's the next Schrader? Towne? Chayefsky? Anything but this onslaught of empty, soulless shite.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Wrath of Khan was 20+ years later

    by spacechampion

    I don't know what year this movie is so I can't say if this is the beginning of Enterprise's 5 year mission or whether it started eariler, but any meeting of the Khan character by this young crew would be 20+ years before Wrath of Khan. They obviously will not be redoing the Wrath of Khan story, so fanboys should stop whining. If we see Khan it will be redoing Space Seed, or more likely encountering Khan before Space Seed, perhaps being the ones to capture Khan in the first place.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    Harry - WHERE THE FUCK IS TH4E SOLOMON KANE REVIEW?!?!?<P> Like I need to read ONE MORE FUCKING STAR TREK / WOLVERINE REVIEW! Any chance we might get word of a movie that's ORIGINAL, perchance? Jeeeeebus!

  • May 4, 2009, 9:41 a.m. CST


    by Super Moo

    Just don't ok?

  • May 4, 2009, 9:46 a.m. CST

    ROBERTO ... HIGH FIVE!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm looking forward to Star Trek. Even more so to beat down Foxerine.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Didn't JMS have a Star Trek reboot synopsis in mind?

    by Amy Chasing

    And which do people prefer, his version or what Kurtzman & Orci did? I haven't seen the film yet, but I can recommend the Countdown comics. They're really very well done.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Ain't that right, cupcake?

  • May 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum

    by drturing

    You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum

    by drturing

    You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum

    by drturing

    You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum

    by drturing

    You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Oh please you all paid money to taste Bay's precum

    by drturing

    You might not have sucked his dick but you all watched transformers. And who the fuck would watch Paul Schrader's Transformers. Complaining about that shit is like complaining your Big Mac wasn't made with Kobe grass fed beef.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Until Bale arrives and dessimates all. Praise Bale.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Seriously if you get that worked up about transformers

    by drturing

    All you're demonstrating is the quietly desperate despar at the heart of celibacy

  • May 4, 2009, 9:51 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    with Bale as the real God. Just a suggestion.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Orko and Col. Kurtz can both fuck off....

    by Jobacca

    They havent written a thing yet that didnt reek of hack. You remember when Nic Cage finally got a comic book movie and it was Ghost Rider? ANd how that sucked for the 3 Ghost Rider fans out there,but the rest of us breathed a sigh of relief because we knew that Nic Cage would now never get cast as Superman or Batman or whatever other franchises he was seeking to destroy? I kinda hope the same thing happens with Orko and Kurtzy...let 'em write a script for Sectaurs or MASK or some other niche fanboy property that'll keep them far,far away from the stuff we actually care about.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by FaTassDino_Molester

    Well, I hope you're proud of yourselves, both of you, because you've killed Star Trek. KILLED IT, I SAY! And not only does this movie suck CardASSian, but now we're stuck in this sucky-ass Orci/Kurtzman/Abrams universe like poor more adventures with the characters we know and love, just Chris Pine and the Man-Vulcan with the Voice of Small Girl, Zachary Quinto or whatever it is. I just hope Wolverine, Terminator and Drag Me to Hell fuck Star Trek in the fucking face. Oh, and Transformers 2 is coming out soon...two Orci/Kurtzman collaborations in one summer, and Fringe coming back in the fall. The pain. THE PAIN!....Seriously, we're gone professionally. Fucking ASS!

  • May 4, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Mr. Beaks I am totally with you!

    by lprothro

    The Gorn need to return. And there is no way that the prospect of lizard-men versus space explorers wouldn't bring in huge new audiences. ONe look at gorn with today's special effects in a commercial or preview would guarantee a stong b.o take!

  • May 4, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Has the Star Trek fan community imploded yet?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Or are they just happy they have some streetcred with the masses now?

  • May 4, 2009, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Was this ever explained? Or do Japanese actors not exist in the alternate timeline?

  • May 4, 2009, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    I read the JMS treatment for the Star Trek reboot some time ago. It's kinda apples and oranges, so comparing the two is not so easy. I will say that at the time I very much liked what JMS had in mind and really wanted it to go forward. If it had been done as well as it might have been, it would have been one of the best Star Trek experiences ever. However, what JJA and company have come up with since probably trumps it because they seem to have put all the pieces together (casting, story, action, SFX, etc.) in a great new way. I doubt that that could have happened at the time JMS's treatment came out. Sorry to be kinda cryptic, but it's all rhetorical... You got me thinking about re-watching B-5's first four seasons and the last episode "Sleeping In Light" again. When JMS was good, he was the best.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Uhura, NOT Uhuru

    by whitty

    Why does everyone on this site--the columnists AND the talkbackers--keep misspelling her name, for crying out loud???

  • May 4, 2009, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Oh, and thanks for the recommendation of the Countdown series. I look forward to seeing them.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by whitty

    How can Kirk's crew be the ones to capture Kahn in the first place? He ruled the Earth in 1996. Kirk's a few centuries too late in the game to do that.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Not a nerd, just a trekkie.

    by Alphanumeric1971

    And now I've found out that there is going to be a "love interest" between Uhura and Spock. Now I know how those "Raped my childhood" guys feel.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Don't you mean Trekker?

  • May 4, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    I love the smell of angry nerd

    by CaptainAxis

    in the morning. @Darth Busey: "Orci and Kurtzman are making geek properties accessible to the mainstream. I don't get the massive amount of hate." Yes, you do. There's your answer. Geeks don't want "their stuff" to be accessible to anybody but them. They're like the kids who used to let you play with their toys, but ONLY if you followed their instructions.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:53 a.m. CST

    For what its worth..

    by Jobacca

    My problem with Orko and Kurtzy is NOT that they're making this stuff for the mainstream...its that they're doing it so poorly. Their dialogue is ham-fisted,they cant write for plot or character worth a damn...they're just really,really bad amateur writers who have somehow managed to get attached to every geek property in Hollywood...THATS why the geeks hate them!

  • May 4, 2009, noon CST


    by FaTassDino_Molester

    Right...talent-wise these guys never got beyond their days writing for Hercules and Xena. Just really, really terrible. I'm still reeling from "I'm fine without it!" "Yes, you are fine without it!" Just oy fucking vey...

  • May 4, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Orci and Kurtzman are 3rd rate at least -

    by Professor_Monster

    -- they have never actually had to CREATE anything in their career. First time I heard of these two shitty pens was back when Dreamworks had a property called "Cowboys and Aliens" - guess what, that script sucked as well. And someone please tell me ONE TIME where a reboot like this worked? Casablanca/ Rick's Place -- Gone with the Wind/ Scarlett -- this fucking film will open because people are stupid, but it will die just as quickly

  • May 4, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • May 4, 2009, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Thanks, Beaks! That was a funky interview, and I'm looking forward to this re-booted "Star Trek."<p> I was never a huge fan of "Star Trek," more lukewarm like JJ Abrams. There are some great episodes, but I always wanted more drama and asskickingly huge space battles. The weapons always annoyed me too. Why can't phasers rapid-fire, for God's sake? Why can't photon torpedoes do the same? This is why I'm glad as hell we'll see more drama and more ass-kickingly huge battles in this new film.<p> Also, I remain a big fan of the writing in "Alias" seasons 1 and 2 (not so much 3, 4, or 5), so I know Orci and Kurtzman can turn it on when they want to.<p> I'm looking forward to "Star Trek."

  • May 4, 2009, 12:44 p.m. CST

    According to the haters, Orci and Kurtzman can't write!

    by ganymede3010


  • May 4, 2009, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Just curious... have any of you actually seen this movie yet, or are you just on hater auto-pilot? Not sayin' you're wrong, as I haven't seen it yet. Just wondering...

  • May 4, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to this.

    by rbatty024

    The word of mouth so far has been encouraging. I've been a Trek fan since I was a kid, but I stopped watching the TV shows around the time Voyager hit. That was a godawful show. I dutifully went to see the films but the last two were just awful. The series needs new blood, and I think if J.J. can do that then more power to him.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:17 p.m. CST

    trekker, trekkie...

    by Alphanumeric1971

    60/40 and call em.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • May 4, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • May 4, 2009, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Stunt Vocalist 709...

    by Alphanumeric1971

    I haven't seen it, but just the dribs and drabs of info that's been leaked have simply made me realize that I'm no longer the target audience. The problem with trying to make Star Trek Mainstream, is that people who didn't like star trek before, or don't like sci-fi in general are simply going to see the title star trek and go "pass." And by trying to appeal to a broader audience they're going to alienate the core audience like me. I'm just not interested in Trek any more. Enterprise started it, but this movie will finish it.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

  • May 4, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Some pretty naked jealously here

    by Arteska

    Too bad.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack


  • May 4, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Sulu: 'Fly her apart then!!!!'

  • May 4, 2009, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by conspiracy

    There...that is a prime example of Bob Orci's writing chops. You know the lowly FUCK was thinking about Wrath of Khan when he wrote it...thinking that he could never come up with a script as decent as why not just fucking rip it off. It is the Bob Orci way.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I've seen this movie - about a month ago and it's bad.

    by Professor_Monster

    It's a dead christmas tree with lots of lights and artificial snow to cover the bald spots. The story is weak - real weak but it takes a brain to get past all the clicks and whistles that the keyboard clickers toss at you. I'm a fan of story not CGI, and this new Star Trek is a showcase for ILM or Digital Domain or WETA or whichever computer farmed warehouse armed with pony tailed fat guys they picked. This is a time release capsule of bad - where dummies pay money - and by way of "look at this - don't think about it" walk out thinking they like it, only to have the truth hit them months later when they say "Y'know, that movie wasn't that good" - Phantom Menace style. There are tons of yuck yuck jokes and Bones and Scotty are played for laughs if they are onscreen longer than 20seconds. J J admits he doesn't like the property - so what do you think you're going to get? This is HIS Star Wars - not our Star Trek.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Just want to say thanks

    by Boborci

    to all of you, on behalf of Klutzman and myself, for all the warmth and support we've received here... you've given us the courage and the confidence and the strength that we needed to fool everyone into making our movies and tv shows.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    City On The Edge

    by skoolbus

    A feature-film version of "City On The Edge Of Forever" would be pretty amazing. Ellison's original treatment had lots of interesting ideas that never made it into the final version.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Thanks for the reasoned reply. I thought I was going to get flamed... A good example of preconceptions not being accurate. Don't let dribs and drabs of hearsay keep you from giving it the fair benefit of the doubt. Keep your mind wide open and try to have fun with it. If it truly sucks (in the bad way) then savage it appropriately in the next ST talkback. You and I both know that Star Trek has had its awesome and aweful moments since it all started. Every now and then we are pleasantly surprised. I have a couple of discerning friends who have seen the new movie. Both did not want to like it. And both were very surpised to find that they had the best Star Trek experience in many, many years. Plus, it seems that every reviewer that has actually seen the movie (even the ones who make a hobby of trashing the sci-fi genre) have been overwhelmingly positive. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:15 p.m. CST

    "Your" movies an TV shows?

    by Professor_Monster

    You mean the things you were hired to TYPE? Which is yours? Legend Of Zorro - a story built on a Rossio and Elliott pitch? Mission Impossible 3? You invented Mission Impossible? Transformers - yes because we all know Michel Bay can tell great work from bad. The island -- this is my favorite - weren't you fucking sued for stealing this script from "Parts: The Clonus Horror"?? Get back to work on the Star Trek sequel - I hear the toys are hitting the shelves as soon as next week.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Bob Orci, scribe of break-dancing robots...

    by Darth_Inedible


  • May 4, 2009, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Re: Boborci

    by Cobbio

    Don't be swayed by the negative douchebags on this talkback. Most people I know have liked what they've seen and heard of "Star Trek," and I think you and Alex have done some solid writing in your careers.<p> Not that you need a pat on the shoulder, but I represent most people when I say I'm excited for this reboot.<p> One question: was Nick Meyer actually godlike and kneelworthy?

  • May 4, 2009, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Professor_Monster -- Oh god, no...

    by Boborci

    ...we don't even do our own typing... indentured interns transcribe our drunken dictaphone ramblings... incidentally, I'm required by law to give you an application to our typing pool if you request one... but in the meantime, kudos on being the Woodward and Bernstein of hack writers - enquiring minds want the truth!

  • May 4, 2009, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Cobbio was "Nick Meyer kneelworthy?"

    by Boborci

    Absolutely -- he's like a Starfleet admiral, no?

  • May 4, 2009, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    (Looking up photo of Nick Meyer)... (click, click, click)...

  • May 4, 2009, 2:59 p.m. CST

    He Does

    by Cobbio

    Meyer does look like a freakin' Starfleet admiral. Chuckle, chuckle. He's got those all-seeing eyes and in-command grin.<p> I'm glad you kneeled before him so he won't unleash his mind-control powers.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:01 p.m. CST



    One question. in the new movie, will the phasers be set to TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION?

  • May 4, 2009, 3:02 p.m. CST


    by Boborci

    If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you set your phasers to TFD?

  • May 4, 2009, 3:05 p.m. CST



    but then again, my phasers are always set to TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I saw this movie at an early preview...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    and I can only assume those talkbackers who claim its nothing but explosions and effects have either not seen the film yet, or were watching the film with their "hate" goggles on and the intelligence zoomed right by them. <P> You know, this film isn't a course in astrophysics, and it's not a sociology class...But that's a good thing. I don't want to be lectured for two hours. <P> On the other hand the film deftly incorporates such topics as astrophysics and sociology (mostly Spock's heritage and the social problems it causes him...classic trek). <P> A good Trek Film (TWOK, First Contact...For both the og and TNG crowd) injects thoughtful elements into an Action Adventure story...and that's Exactly what this film does. <P> My one problem: Hey Bob Orci, Nurse Chapel IS part of the main crew. Except for the movies, she was featured on the show more than Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov...maybe even more than Scotty. Seriously, go back and watch, she's always around and always has something to say and do regarding the plot.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD - Nurse Chapel

    by Boborci

    Agreed... maybe in the next one... but I think it's fair to say that a general audience is more familiar with Trek without her as a result of the movies, Trek II- IV being among the most popular.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:11 p.m. CST

    oh, and don't do Khan again

    by Dr.DirtyD

    not all of us agree with Beaks...ever. <P> It's just, there's already 78 other great ideas to play Tholians!!!!! <P>Orci, I'm gonna be hounding you about the Tholians for the next year buddy. Here and at <P> Tholians!!

  • May 4, 2009, 3:15 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Praise Bale. Praise Him.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Yea, but screw those movies...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    oh, and... Tholians!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    He gave us the best Star Treks there ever were. He and Roddenberry alone are responsible for all that is great about Trek. May they receive Bale's blessings.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Agreed. Khan would be a bad move

    by Kief_Ledger

    It would put expectations at way too lofty that whatever you and Alex write will disappoint people. Plus, since I hear this movie is great, expectations are still going to be high for the sequel regardless of whether you use Khan or not.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Good luck Bob..and I really mean that...

    by conspiracy

    considering the vile, amateurish shit you and your partner usually punch out; here is to hoping you finally found the time to respect yourseles and your fucking profession.</p><p>Look...based on what I know of your skills, I am not holding my breath; but I do sincerly hope you brought what passes for your "A" game to this beloved property. Up till this point you guys have been the gold standard of new Hollywood, meaning utter mediocrities; but I'm willing to give you one last chance before I forever relegate anything you touch to being not even worth stealing from Piratebay.</p><p>Oh...No, I will STILL DL and review this before I actually go to the theater and pay money to see it, as I now do with ALL movies. ANd don't give me a line of crap about how "It must be seen on the Big Screen to be appreciated" thats bullshit and we all know it...a good story doesn't even need a fucking screen...and no amount of CGI mastubation can save a bad one (Transformers).</p><p> Bay letting you get sloppy seconds from Fox? Is it her viscious, brain addling vag drippings, or perhaps her rumored stellar oral skillsm, that made you retarded to think that a sentient robot, several thousand years advanced from us, would fucking cry window wiper fluid when told he can't go somewhere? .

  • May 4, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Or can we take them inside?

  • May 4, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST

    conspiracy -- Must see on big screen

    by Boborci

  • May 4, 2009, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Tholians, eh? Interesting idea, Dr.DirtyD. Those were the implacable aliens that slowly spin laserwebs to ensnare and destroy starships, right? I remember them.<p> In a turn of expectations, something happens that causes the Tholians to want to join Starfleet. Something has scared them so much they're fearing for their very survival. Kirk and a fleet of Tholian ships investigate the outskirts of the stormy galactic core, where a Jupiter-sized organism from another dimension has materialized in the chaos. Kirk and the Tholians spread out and desperately go to work.<p> Shit, should I not have posted that idea?

  • May 4, 2009, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Boborci

    You may need it, I'd smuggle it in...

  • May 4, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Stunt Vocalist 709

    by blakindigo

    Yeah—I'd say give it the benefit of the doubt. Calling these two hacks is ridiculous and full of spite–born–from–jealousy.<br><br> Does anyone really believe that screenwriting isn't collaborative? That directors like Bay don't have control over the final draft; that he doesn't control WHAT HE WANTS TO SEE ONSCREEN?! <br><br>Word to the wise, not everyone is PT Anderson or the Coens. Some people have to 'write to tast,' and usually that's the producers taste, but often its a double hit of producer and director. You can't force Michael Bay to like something 'better,' because he's confident in what he does/likes.<br><br> I remember going to see "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" in the cinema and overhearing some Trek loyalists hating it. I mean, stuff like: "A real Trekkie wouldn't kill Spock!" or "They turned the Enterprise into the Royal Navy" etc. <br><br>The rest of the audience just enjoyed the movie, which is now regarded as a classic by the Trek faithful. I have a suspicion that this may work the same way for Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams as well.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Orci and Kurtzman are to movies --

    by Professor_Monster

    What Miley Cyrus and Paris Hilton's album are to music. Meaning, they both get stuff made - but not by request.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Just like we do with soda and candy. What they charge at concession is criminal. I'm looking forward to this. Warp speed factor 10!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    that's "write to taste"

    by blakindigo

    My rant is done.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:36 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    I kind of agree with Bob, conspiracy. Can't watch that shit on the small screen.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by Dr.DirtyD

    That actually sounds pretty sweet. <P> Though, i would suggest leave the Tholians as antagonist a little long, for they are quite formidable. <P>Oh, and Nurse Chapel defects to the Tholian side and leads a special brigade of the Tholian fleet.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:45 p.m. CST

    man, I sound like a SpinerFemme

    by Dr.DirtyD

    But for Nurse Chapel. <P> and Tholians!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 3:54 p.m. CST

    T and NC

    by Cobbio

    There you go, Dr.DirtyD! Tholians and Nurse Chapel, though I'm not sure who she even is. I'm assuming she's hot, however, which works alongside laser-spinning aliens.<p> Maybe she falls in love with a cute Tholian, played by Zac Efron? Maybe the Tholian doesn't know what "love" is, and finds out the wocka-ch-wocka human way?<p> Awww yeah!<p> I hope we're not boring the crap out of you with these delusional ideas, BobOrci. I'm sure you went through insane plot-finding missions when you were writing too.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Roddenberry on WrATH OF Kahn

    by spoits

    when i was in college at Clemson a LONG time ago Roddenberry came to speak. I was on the speakers' comm. so i got to go to the after party and talk to him. when asked about the wrath he was not happy with it. one example is the scene where the one living creature from the dead planet crawls out of checkoff's ear. "then Kirk the explorer seeing this new form of life for the first time goes KILL IT KILL IT." he then did this thing like stomping on a big roach.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:59 p.m. CST what you are all saying is...

    by conspiracy

    the only way I will appreciate this is if I am in a theater full of candy fueled prepubescents and hormone enraged teens; to whom a good movie is CGI fappery, loud noises, and cliched sexuality? That this story can't stand on it's own as at least a passable example of the craft?</p><p> Maybe I'll just save the bandwidth, not to mention my $25-30 bucks.

  • May 4, 2009, 4 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    Thanks for the interview. I know you guys are mad busy, but, I'm curious—Alex directed an episode of 'Alias, back in the day—do either of you hanker to direct a feature? Maybe something SF? If so would you direct your own script or someone elses?

  • May 4, 2009, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by Boborci

    yeah we'd love to direct soon, maybe reboot the Godfather or Star Wars or maybe Citizen Kane.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:17 p.m. CST

    What?! You don't want to —

    by blakindigo

    make a live action "Rubik's the Amazing Cube" or "Thundarr the Barbarian"?<br><br> The horror…the horror…

  • May 4, 2009, 4:23 p.m. CST


    by Dr.DirtyD

    I agree, i don't want to see any of those things, or a shitty Hollywood sci-fi movie either. <P> So, it's a good thing i didn't see any of them when i saw Star Trek last week. <P> Fact=Hollywood produces mostly crap. <P> Fact= once in a while something good can be made within that system. <P> Star Trek was great.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:25 p.m. CST

    7 months to go

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • May 4, 2009, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    I got suckered by the piss take.<br><br>I'm not defending mediocrity; it's pretty obvious that if you're hired by a studio to write a screenplay, the quickest way to get fired is not deliver on what you've agreed to write,i.e. what the producer wants.<br><br>Or do you really think the auteur theory is viable for most studio product?

  • May 4, 2009, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I'm conflicted about Orci, but it's a good. example...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Of nothing in this world being set in stone. <P> I honestly haven't enjoyed anything else I've seen of Orci and Kurtzmans work. I didn't like Transformers, I didn't care about M:III etc. <P> But Star Trek is my new favorite Star Trek movie right now. Whatever they did wrong in their previous films (bad jokes, robots pissing on people, race intolerant dialog between soldiers AND Stereotypes, characters we don't give a fuck about and on and on), NONE of that showed up in Star Trek. <P> I kind of chalked up the Transformers crap to Micheal Bay anyway, since all the suck is in line with his usual...suck. <P> I guess that's just why people loss at gambling=you just can't "call" everything in this world based on past performance. <P> There are too many variables in life to see it all so cut and dry.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:35 p.m. CST

    asimovlives -- always find it funny that people

    by Boborci

    with such low regard for us would then assume that anyone would bother to impersonate us

  • May 4, 2009, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    The racial stereotypes are a Bay trademark.<br><br>I enjoyed MI:III because of my low expectations and some inspired sequences (stealing the 'Rabbit's Foot' come to mind).<br><br>They seem to be hired guns or work-for-hire script doctors, labouring for various studio pipelines. I'm fascinated to see what these dudes can do on their original stuff.<br><br>I think it's too easy to call someone a hack when you're not seeing a full representation of his work.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Well, i'm glas we get two great films made within the sytem

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Dark knight AND Star Trek. <P> But, Dark knight was a bit more obvious. We knew the folks involved were capable of producing a good film. <P> Star Trek is a pleasant surprise given the track record of the screen writers. <P>And this is what I'm talking about. We all could have bet money on Dark knight being good. While Star Trek is riskier money that pays off big time in the end.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by blakindigo

    I don't get why AsimovLives seems to think it's easy to do work-for-hire? 'The Dark Knight' is an aberration. I mean literally, the stars lined up for that movie. We're talking 5 previous 'Batman' movies, plus the comic book AND the animated series to get it 'right'. The odds in making 'TDK' a complete success was a LONG TIME COMING. Play those numbers in Vegas and tell me how well you did.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:03 p.m. CST

    All i can say is Infinite Diversity in infinite Combination's

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • May 4, 2009, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by conspiracy

    All that can be hoped for with guys like Orci is one of the following</p><p>1. That eventually the thrill of banging starlets and underage Hollywood runaways subsides, that their coffers fill to overflowing, or that somehow reality wakes up their employers and they simply go away; thus leaving room for someone with even an eyedropper full of heart and talent.</p><p>Or, 2. They wake up some morning, and decide that it is time to honor their profession, to respect themselves and the audience and they actually start turning out some quality. Maybe Trek is that turning point for Bob and Co.,the point where being financially comfortable, they take their jobs seriously. However, judging by the Transformers stuff I'm seeing...probably not.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I'd disagree—

    by blakindigo

    —only because of the amount of people trying to survive as working screenwriters. It's extremely hard to get a screenplay read, much less produced. Hell, to even get a studio to 'slate' your script for production is like giving birth to an adult sanitation worker<br><br>In order to be read a script has to be outstanding, but, the final product might be shite (yes, I'm looking at you 'Soldier'). Hell, even people who do 'hack,' are grinding away with an insane work ethic.<br><br>Nothing easy about it.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Star Trek has always been

    by Dr.DirtyD

    a Science Fiction Adventure story with great characters and ideas. <P> And it always fails when it losses the the balance on either side of the scales. <P> I still watch TMP, and I still enjoy it as the first return of the characters, and as a bit of an extension of ideas seen in a few TOS episodes. But it really lacked the Pulp Space Opera Element that Star Trek can't deny. All the trek shows had these action adventure elements. The trick is finding the right balance, and in my opinion the new Trek does it perfectly. <P> Asimov, just read my post again or something: the "risk" i was talking about was in regards to the previous work of the creative people behind trek ( as the post notes, I agree with your distaste). <P> Yes Hollywood sucks and caters to teens and shoves brainless product down our throats 24/7. <P> But just because there are young people in a film doesn't mean it's instant shit. <P> There's no universal laws of physics we can follow to successfully predict 100% failure. We can be right a lot of the time. But you can't say this=this about crap human beings make up.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:28 p.m. CST

    "are you the tooth fairy?"

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell


  • May 4, 2009, 5:30 p.m. CST

    BSB - Bale actually has three ears

    by spud mcspud

    A left ear, a right ear, and a final front ear.<P> DA-DUM TSSSSSSHHH!!!<P> I'll be here all week. Waiting for that FUCKING SOLOMON KANE REVIEW, probably.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Good to hear BobOrci might direct a remake of "The Godfather." That'd be sweet!<p> VITO: Make me an offer I can't refuse<p> GIANT DRAGON-HEADED ALIEN (seething voice from 50 ft. above): Puny humans! Here's my offer!<p> As GIANT DRAGON-HEADED ALIEN gathers itself to strike, Vito's people bust out of a long line of Limos and open fire with Tommy guns. Alien dies in a pool of bloody green viscera.<p> VITO: It doesn't make any difference to me what a man does for a living, you understand, it's just that your business is a little dangerous.<p> Yeah, I could see that.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:32 p.m. CST

    and then Nurse Chapel wraps a Tholian web..

    by Dr.DirtyD

    around Vito.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:34 p.m. CST

    blakindigo...Mediocrity is never easy...

    by conspiracy

    Nobody is doubting Orci & Co. work ethic...just their output.</p><p> Ever see Special Ed classes fingerpainting? Those spastic fuckers work their asses off...tongues out, concentration high, sweaty brows..the works.; but the results are still akin to what you'd get if you turned a class of 6 yr olds high on Chocolate and Pixie Sticks loose with spray cans, a mile of white fences and no supervision.</p><p> And I disagree that to be read a script has to be "Outstanding"...Transformers, etc; were not "outstanding" scripts. Look at what Hollywood pumps out...where is this "Quality", where are the "outstanding" screenplays?

  • May 4, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    Bale-God: "I need your vessel."<P> The Shat: "What does God need with a starship?"<P> Bale-God: "WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? WHAT THE FUCK - NO! NO! DON'T TELL ME TO CALM DOWN! WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?"<p> The Shat: "What does God need with a starship?"<P> Bale-God: "You're a nice guy! YOU'RE A NICE FUCKING GUY BUT THAT DON'T CUT IT WHEN YOU'RE BULLSHITTING LIKE THIS! I KNOW YOU GET IT! I KNOW YOU GET IT BUT THESE FUCKING SCRIPTWRITERS, THEY DON'T FUCKING GET IT! THEY! DO! NOT! GET! IT!"<p> The Shat: "Don't you know? Aren't you God?"<P> Bale-God: "I WILL KICK YOUR FUCKING ASS!"<p> The Shat: "Why is God angry?"<P> Bale-God: "I NEVER HAD A FUCKING ACTOR BEHAVE LIKE THIS! FUCKING ASS! FUCKING AMATEUR!"<p> The Shat: "That ain't fucking Professional. Anyway, BOSTON LEGAL was better than the new Star Trek."<P> Bale-God: "Fuckin' A."

  • May 4, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Yea, Nurse Chapel Hated Transformers..

    by Dr.DirtyD

    But I'm pretty sure the Tholians watch Alias. <P> I know Q loves M:III

  • May 4, 2009, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Nom, Nom, Nom, Slurp!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Fucking sell outs.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Let me just say this:

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    Now that I've gotten my rather demented-sounding rant off my chest, I'd just like to comparatively coherently explain my disdain for this movie: in my opinion, from every trailer, TV spot, interview and spoiler I've seen thus far, JJ Abram's Star Trek is part of the culmination of the decline of the motion picture over the past 30 years. Cinema used to be an art form, one which was admittedly in its infancy, one which was more visceral and perhaps in a way even more intimate than was ever possible before, such a potent combination of audio and visual stimulation as it was. The 1930's through the 1970's truly was the golden age of film. Now I love blockbusters, but once the money-making capabilities of the feature film were realized, and films began raking in massive amounts of cash, the studios began to be bought by corporate conglomerates, a process which began in the early 1980's and really solidified by the early 2000's. Now, Hollywood has become steadily and creatively bankrupt, set on auto-pilot and putting out so much bland, mindless, soulless, homogenized corporate product, made to appeal to the lowest common dominator and rake in as much cash as possible. There's no intelligence, no ingenuity, because the people running the studios do NOT view cinema as an art, just a way to make money; films are now just another source of revenue, a cog in the corporate machine. As a result, films of every genre have begun to become indistinguishable from each other, concerned with purely shallow, "reality TV"-type entertainment, supposedly snappy dialogue devoid of truth or substance, the need to sell more action figures and more video games. In ten years, people will probably line up to watch two hours of the wavey lines that show up when you play an audio file in Windows Media Player. Ultimately, the new Star Trek falls squarely with the new Hollywood, the one solely concerned with appearing "gangsta" and cool to the brain dead 12-year-old 50 cent paris hilton generation. There's no room for true artistry in modern Hollywood, just conformity and endless sequels, prequels, remakes, and adaptations. Even the original films are completely lackluster. Even filmmakers who were once brilliant have lost their passion, and become studio executives or close to it. The industry is dying; some would say its already dead. I've heard people say JJ Abrams is the most creative mind in Hollywood right now; if that's true, the most creative mind in Hollywood is only capable of regurgitating TV shows from forty years ago. It's just really sad. And BTW, I have a really bad feeling about this movie. The last two times I was this worried about a film, it was about "Crystal Skullfuck" and "Aliens VS Predator - Rectum", and we all know how those two shitfests turned out!

  • May 4, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Nice Ending, DirtyD

    by Cobbio

    Vito Corleone, Tommy Guns, bloody green viscera, Nurse Chapel, and Tholians all wrapped up into an epic of wrongness.<p> Might just work, eh?

  • May 4, 2009, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by Dr.DirtyD

    You should find some way to film that yourself. <P> It's a lot more engaging than Gods reaction in the film.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:41 p.m. CST

    The last time Chapel was worried about a movie...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    she realized she had important job to do on the enterprise and she stopped worrying about it. <P> Then the Tholians attached!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST her brain.

    by Dr.DirtyD

    then they attacked!!!

  • May 4, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    All aboard the AICN circle slurp!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 4, 2009, 5:45 p.m. CST

    I hear you conspiracy

    by blakindigo

    but, "Transformers" wasn't a script that was brought to Paramount as an original production. It was a toy property.<br><br>A screenwriters work that gets them an agent, most likely won't see the light of day. No one has read James Cameron's script "Mother" or Brian Helgeland and Manny Coto's "The Ticking Man". There are exceptions of course.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:54 p.m. CST

    The last time Nurse Chapel slurped anything...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    she realized she was in an alternate-universe where she was a sex object instead of a real living and breathing person who's gender was female. So she left that shitty Alt-Universe and came back to the 23rd century. <P> But then the Tholians Attacked.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Wow... I can't understand all the venom

    by TragicComic

    I don't usually post, but I have to say to all the haters out there who haven't seen the movie. Just wait. I've been a long time Trek sort of fan. I still remember the ride home in my parents care after watching Spock die. It was intense. When I saw the first trailer for the new show I was appalled. I thought that it would be Star Trek 90210. To me MI:III felt like a a high budget made for TV movie, and I was worried that Abrams didn't have the skill to make a real movie. Then I saw the newer trailers and I thought, hey... this actually looks like it could be good. Well, I got to see a screening last Saturday with my wife (who hates Star Trek), and I was quite simply blown the fuck out of my seat. I may be a bit of an emotional sap, but I came close to tears in the first 15 minutes! The characters are a hell of a lot of fun, there's a metric fuck-ton of call-outs to the trek fan in me (keep your eye out for the first red shirt, you'll see it coming a mile a way, and if you're like me you'll laugh out loud and people will look at you). And most of all it's a balls to the wall rousing adventure, something sorely lacking in recent movie history. And I'll tell you what, it's not often that an entire theater claps at the end of a movie. My wife said "it was fucking awesome", and she's a Lifetime Movie of the Week kind of person (if there's no one being victimized, she's usually not into it). All that said, we can't wait to see it again with all of our friends, opening night, at the local Cine Capri (for those of you in AZ, you know). So, anyway, go ahead and call me a shill and all that shit, but be prepared to watch this movie take off like a fucking rocket! And while you're at it, sit back and enjoy the awesome ride.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    MR. are coming off much more human lately.


    Keep it up. Somehow you were even able to make an interview with these two cum receptacles enjoyable. Star Trek looks great...but seriously Auschwitz should be reopened just for these two fucks.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:18 p.m. CST

    I hear Nurse Chapel has a secret crush...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    on DannygloversDickblood. <P> That's why the Tholians want to take him out.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:22 p.m. CST

    DGDB...The power of Bale is with you!

    by conspiracy

    "...Auschwitz should be reopened just for these two fucks."</p><p>Truer words have seldom been uttered amongst the faithful.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:26 p.m. CST

    hehehe. Actually there is a 3rd vacancy at Hotel Auschwitz...


    ....I'll see you to your fucking chamber DANNY GLOVER'S UNDERSCORE. You unoriginal, rambling, CUNT.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Great post.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Tragic Comic = the dumb masses, or just dumb shit

    by Professor_Monster

    and you wife needs to watch her fucking mouth and stop cussing. The movie sucked -

  • May 4, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    all this hate for a film not even released. hard to believe the assumption that because there are young actors in a movie that its catering to brain dead people, honestly the crap on TV like CHUCK and all the reality shows take care of that..all weve seen are trailers and clips, no one can judge a whole film based just on that, unless ur psychic or super intelligent...i rule this out because of the sheer stupidity of the comments im reading...time travel is not lazy alternate timeline is neccessary, sorry to all u nerds that insist that the TOS timeline be held up on a pedastal and played out...thats boring, and thats unoriginal, and the same people cry about unoriginality in hollywood, a little hypocritical aint ya ? i myself would have preffered a new cast and ship or at least finish off next gen correctly, but from what ive seen this looks great...and stop hating on orci and kurtzman...i agree that the hate for them is based on jealousy from aspiring screenwriters that have had all their scripts turned away as garbage...dont hate because theyre successful, and write successful scripts that blend action humor and romance in perfect harmony that audiences love..get over it and finally fill out that burger king application we all know u have because your destiny is to flip burgers, but dont give up, u might become manager

  • May 4, 2009, 6:57 p.m. CST

    They READ previous episodes?

    by catlettuce4

  • May 4, 2009, 6:58 p.m. CST

    industry killer

    by slkboxrman

    saying transformers was the worst script u ever read says to me that u dont read scripts much or read for that matter... ok what script is the best script u ever read...i cant wait to hear it...and did that particular script ever get made into a film and if so what was the box office tallys ??

  • May 4, 2009, 7 p.m. CST

    Fa_Tass_DinoMolester: Do you make entertainment?

    by TragicComic

    I ask this because I would say that Star Trek IS art. Just because it has to make money and costs a fuck ton to make, don't dismiss the work that these men do. I've spent most of my life making interactive entertainment, and to create anything in an environment that can satisfy the creative need that some of us have along all the while doing right by the people that put their faith in us is as tough a job as it gets. The fact that these projects even get built stands as a testament to the personal strength and will that is required to grab hold of a massive production like these and drive them through to the end. .. fuck it, you know what... fuck all y'all, you guys should be ashamed of the shit that you type. Until you've walked a mile in their shoes, until you've had a marketing twit sand bag your project because it was easier for them to do than their job, until you've had executives ask you insane questions that indicate they have no idea wtf they are doing, yet they make the final decisions on whether a project get's greenlit, until you've watched an amazing AAA studio ground into nothing because licensed products are "safer", until you've walked out on a disgustingly high paying job because you didn't have the creative freedom to wipe your own ass... until you've experienced anything like that, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about...

  • May 4, 2009, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    You're so fucking dumb I don't know where to start.<P> CHUCK is shit? That's one you lose.<P> "dont hate because theyre successful, and write successful scripts that blend action humor and romance in perfect harmony that audiences love.."... PLANTY PLANTY MCPLANTY PLANT. Get off here, Kurtzman, Orci or whichever fucking lousy hack you are, and go suckle at the teat of the imagination-deficient execs you are currently cockgobbling. No-one can possibly write a post of such stunning stupidity and inanity and NOT be in some way connected to the studio system. Run along and plot the next step in the long, slow death of imaginatio and originality, you worshipper of All That Does SUCK.<P> You aren't fit to lick the sweat off William Goldman's balls, you fucking parasite. Away with ye, and get writing THE UNINSPIRED ADVENTURES OF KID-FRIENDLY CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW AND THE TREASURE OF ULTIMATE BOREDOM.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    what a anyhow u just made my point, loser

  • May 4, 2009, 7:05 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach, thanks!

    by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester

    TragicComic, you don't need experience in a field to form a judgment on it. By your logic, one would have to be a world leader before criticizing another world leader, a musician to voice a viable taste in music, ETC. Quite frankly, that's bull.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    u saw the response i got ? thats what ur dealing with here...its sad

  • May 4, 2009, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by Boborci

    I really don't think you've seen it...

  • May 4, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    So because some pencilneck fucked you over in your creative-type job, the rest of us should shut the fuck up and be content that every summer the tentpole blockbusters are just getting fucking dumber? Just because it takes hard work to make big movies, we shouldn't call for them to be BETTER just because they got made AT ALL?<P> That suit really must have done a number on you. Don't piss on your dreams - live them! Set up on your own, or go freelance, or do the same job for someone else. If you love creative freedom that much, you can do it. It ain't easy - and I'd NEVER presume to be a slick shit and say it is - but it's got to be worth it.<P> Fuck, we SHOULD hold these assholes to account. Do you remember when summer movies WERE great? THE DARK KNIGHT wasn't that long ago, was it? IRON MAN?<P> Keep that faith. ST sounds like a dumb but fun rollercoaster reboot - and if there's one thing STAR TREK should NOT be, it's dumb.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:10 p.m. CST

    spud mcspud

    by Boborci

    I don't hide behind false names.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    IRON MAN yes... DARK KNIGHT no...dark knight was like mission impossible 3 starring batman...a crazy mess of a movie, if heath ledger doesnt steal the movie as the joker, it makes half, or less..

  • May 4, 2009, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Do you make entertainment? -- are you German?


    I met a German guy at a strip club in Vegas once. He kept asking me if I "Make Entertainment." I finally said What the fuck are you talking about? He pointed at the female on stage and said "You know....zee fuck entertainment." Do Germans refer to porn as FUCK ENTERTAINMENT? <P>What I'm trying to say is TragicComic, you need to come clean about your addiction to German shit eater films. Not only is it unhealthy, its downright scandalous.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:16 p.m. CST

    This whole "Films are getting dumber and dumber" argument...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD going to be invalid once Francis Ford drop kicks you in the fucking nuts with Tetro.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Antonio Banderas IS Khan!

    by gotilk

    Stunt casting!!<br> <br> Hey look, Mr Banderas, scenery!!<br> <br> *chew chew chew chew*

  • May 4, 2009, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Antonio Banderas IS a Tholian.

    by Dr.DirtyD

  • May 4, 2009, 8:07 p.m. CST

    or maybe he's an Organian..

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Hey the sequel could deal with the Klingon/Federation/Organian story-line. <P> As long as Chapel and Tholians fit in somewhere. <P> I"m sure they can figure it out.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Jack Black for Harry Mudd

    by crankyoldguy

  • May 4, 2009, 8:25 p.m. CST

    and based on the trailer...the one dumb line...

    by crankyoldguy

    may be..."buckle up." I mean, wtf? That's so 20th century. Here in the 21st we have click it or ticket.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:27 p.m. CST

    boborci - You can think that -

    by Professor_Monster

    I can see why this movie started off shitty -- Marc Evans got the ball rolling. I'm surprised they even keep him around after Sky Captain he should have been axed back then.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST


    by Dr.DirtyD

    everyone knows Marc Evens is in the beginning. You've got to wip out something not in a review or trailer ect. (but it also can't spoil the movie...fuck, that's tough).

  • May 4, 2009, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I'd vote for ya.

  • May 4, 2009, 8:57 p.m. CST

    the trailer catchphrase shouldve been "FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS"

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    NEVER GETS OLD. oh wait. it does.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Summer of 1982

    by blakindigo

    Still the best summer for tentpole studio pictures<br><br>I don't think you have to be creative to judge creativity; I do however believe you have to be PERCEPTIVE to usefully judge creativity.<br><br> Unfortunately, slamming a movie based on perceived faults without actually seeing it, isn't very perceptive. I think "Iron Man" is a great example. I don't think it's a great film. I do think it's an ENJOYABLE film and it was entertained. But, remember the hate for Jon Favreau? Geezus. "Iron Man" didn't insult me like "Transformers," did but, they were made for different audiences.<br><br>"The Dark Knight" I think was an exceptional film. I felt it took risks like a 70's movie, with style and craftsmanship.<br><br>But, why would I judge these movies BEFORE I actually saw them with snarky nonsense about how the filmmakers are destroying an already dying industry? Indiana Jones was directed by an extremely talented filmmaker, but somehow he lost the spirit of his own character in "KotKS". In 1982 he directed "E.T" and produced "Poltergeist"— both were tentpole pictures that delivered the goods.<br><br>Also, in 1982 Nic Meyer directed "STII:tWOK," again a high point for the franchise. Was it as serious as "Blade Runner"? No. It was entertaining and genuinely touching, but probably not examining ideas as deeply as "Blade Runner." Either way, these films were judged harshly at the time by people who hadn't even seen them; the filmmakers were called lazy because they used VFX; the acting was criticized harshly; these movies were labeled empty eye candy, etc.<br><br>They were seen as everything wrong with filmmaking at the time (except "E.T." the backlash on that film came a year later). Funny how these films are regarded as classics. Suddenly, a different generation finds 'depth' where the earlier generation found 'slickness' and 'ersatz emotion'.<br><br>You don't have to be a filmmaker or creative person to adjudicate work, but hating just for sport is the absolute nadir of creativity. It has nothing to do with observation and perception. Do these films look dated now?

  • May 4, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • May 4, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • May 4, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Thanks, DoctorZoidberg

    by blakindigo

    Beat me to it…

  • May 4, 2009, 9:58 p.m. CST

    blakindigo, jus' doin

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • May 4, 2009, 9:59 p.m. CST

    jus' doin' muh job..and hitting the enter key accidentally

    by DoctorZoidberg

  • May 4, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Elisha Cuthbert as Nurse Chapel!

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    But in this universe, she'd be the slut of the Enterprise.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Gary Coleman as the King Tribble.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    What You Talkin' Bout Captain K.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Anyway BobOrci—

    by blakindigo

    —Never mind the haters and keep doing what you're doing. Alex Kurtzman's come a long way from being a P.A. on "Heat".<br><br>Everyone knows this film is gonna hit big. Real big.<br><br>Looking forward to your original stuff (I just can't get with "Transformers"—sorry, I tried but, it's not for me).

  • May 4, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    I'm cool with Transformers...

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    But that has to do with Michael Bay.<br> <br> Any directer who decides to snort his cocaine off Megan Fox, just because he can is ok with me.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Yea, i'm out of here.

    by Dr.DirtyD

    I try not to hang out with assholes.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by scriptgirl_nipples

    You're on the wrong site then.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:37 p.m. CST


    by Dr.DirtyD

    We all know it's your fear of woman that fuels your need to dehumanize them, your need to transform them from people into nipples and sluts. <P>Your kind of like a star trek villain...kind of like Trelane, or Q.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I know, I know, AICN=assholes.

    by Dr.DirtyD

    does it really have to live up to the clique? <P> Never mind.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Trelane had great fashion sense.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

  • May 4, 2009, 11:05 p.m. CST

    The NEW Enterprise voice for the sequel...

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Michael Duncan Clarke, just for the lulz.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Spock - Uhura - Nurse Chapel love triangle!

    by scriptgirl_nipples


  • May 4, 2009, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Dr.DirtyD...Let me explain something about mega Fox..

    by conspiracy

    When a girl has a tattoo of a FUCKING BULLSEYE right above the crack of her ass (like Fox does) really don't have to try THAT FUCKING hard to dehumanize them and make them out as sluts. Fox has done a pretty good job of doing that to herself....Bale Fucking Bless her.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:23 p.m. CST

    blackindigo...dude you are seriously on the

    by southafricanguy

    wrong site my friend, hating as and for sport is what passes as film analysis here pal....

  • May 4, 2009, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Btw ...Francis Ford Coppola=overrated and

    by southafricanguy

    boring. Ony the godfather was good, eveything else was bloated and would be pg rated now....And lets not forget that very schmaltzy Jack and the incomprehensible youth without youth. Coppola is only good at making things look pretty...

  • May 4, 2009, 11:28 p.m. CST

    he could nt construct a story to save his life..

    by southafricanguy

  • May 4, 2009, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Coppola is overrated. Yet Cameron is God? Hahaha.


    You're a good representative of South Africans....a clueless cunt. Keep talking pal.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    actually..i was being really sarcastic, but then

    by southafricanguy

    as useal you are too stupid to understand that. I was trying to emulate your ignorance, and generalizations by pulling shit out of my ass to support my own personal know Danny? Like you do all the time...

  • May 4, 2009, 11:42 p.m. CST

    oh...but wait I can dish, but like all

    by southafricanguy

    loud mouthed, obnoxious, American attention seekers you cant you are fucking hilarious...

  • May 4, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    no, no you keep talking dickhead, your

    by southafricanguy

    imbecillic rantings and weird fantasies that you post here that you so despertely wish were true are far more entertaining than anything I could think up.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:47 p.m. CST

    You don't have the brain capacity to process sarcasm...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD lying fuck.<p>You were trying to emulate my ignorance? You were just counting on me being here at this exact hour? Fuck off with that nonsense man. <P>Shut the fuck up and listen to this....even though I would enjoy pissing in your dead mother's mouth, I'm willing to offer this gift. <p>

  • May 4, 2009, 11:49 p.m. CST

    though we do appear to have found lil ol

    by southafricanguy

    danny's soft spot....think I may need to go into the Tetro talkback and make lots of shit up, and attack anyone that does nt see the wisdom of my hate for who knew pissing Danny off was so easy...

  • May 4, 2009, 11:51 p.m. CST

    IESB McG comments abou T5 true? Help us out, AICN!

    by JuanSanchez

  • May 4, 2009, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Ha ha ha....oh Danny you really are too

    by southafricanguy

    funny....hard as it is for you to believe not everyone is like you. I really was being sarcastic, and knew you would raise to my bait of insulting Coppola. I just enjoy pissing you off becos you are such an attention seeking loudmouth.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:54 p.m. CST

    for the record i dont think Coppola is overrated

    by southafricanguy

    at all, his 70s work is almost untouchable. True classics in every sense of the word. But Im not really in to what he has done in recent years.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:55 p.m. CST

    If I was so attention seeking would I be on here at 10pm....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD a TB with 1 or 2 other people? Uhhhhhhhhhh. Probably not. I get a kick out of you. You're like a big sloppy pussy. I don't give a fuck what people say-- BIG PUSSY = MORE FUN. You can tug on it, stretch it, smack it, do the 4 finger shuffle, really slam it balls deep with no complaints, etc.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:56 p.m. CST

    10pm West Coast.....


  • May 4, 2009, 11:57 p.m. CST

    And for the record, I have no beef with South Africa....


    ....they gave us Charlize Theron, and she deserves nothing less than an American fist in her culo.

  • May 5, 2009, midnight CST

    Terminator 5 time travels to 2011 - WTF!?

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    I can see that turning out to be the same fucking shit as always.

  • May 5, 2009, midnight CST

    And even if i did nt like Coppola's movies

    by southafricanguy

    I would never make up shit about him, or call him an untalented hack. And nor would I attack anyone and insult them personally for liking him, because anyone with any film knowledge or more than two brain cells is aware of his skill and legacy, even if its not to your particular taste. But you see thats the difference between you and me Danny...

  • May 5, 2009, 12:02 a.m. CST

    I don't attack people for disagreeing with me.


    I attack people when they start behaving like fucking pricks and need to get spanked. <p>

  • May 5, 2009, 12:03 a.m. CST not even going to pretend to

    by southafricanguy

    understand that weird sexual fantasy you just outlined...whatever spins your bicycle wheels

  • May 5, 2009, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Which one? Smacking a big sloppy pussy or fisting Charlize?


    I think you can tell a lot about a man's character based on what kinda pussy he prefers. Same goes with cunt hair/no hair preference.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:06 a.m. CST

    really Danny ? please explain when that

    by southafricanguy

    happened then? Because in the past we had several really civil conversation, even if we disagreed, then out of nowhere you just attacked me, my nationality, and my country. Since then its fair game to attack everything about you pal

  • May 5, 2009, 12:07 a.m. CST

    How can you fuck in South Africa?


    Don't 1 in 3 cunts house an infestation of AIDS?<P>Seriously. Is that like a massive concern? I don't think I could ever fuck in that cesspool. I'm not trying to be rude, but really......please tell me thats part of the reason you got the fuck out of there.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:09 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy -- really? I don't remember.


    I do remember being cool with you before and you said something that really pissed me off and since then we always go at each other. I'll tell you what....I'm gonna reach across the aisle right now. I'm gonna go all Nelson Mandela and shit and be a pacifist. NO MORE VIOLENCE! <P>From here on in, I got no quarrel with you.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:14 a.m. CST

    where have i just attacked anyone personally?

    by southafricanguy

    I have only ever expressed my own opinion and when I have seen someone making shit up or expressing a stupid opinion based on an obvious lack of knowledge about what they are talking about, have I then asked them to provide evidence or actual reason or logic to back up their argument. So unless thats acting like a prick Danny, tehn please explain your actions...

  • May 5, 2009, 12:18 a.m. CST

    exactly dude....i dont know of any instance

    by southafricanguy

    where i specifically pissed you off.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:19 a.m. CST

    but ok fair enough man...if you re prepared to

    by southafricanguy

    be cool with me then I have no fight with you anymore...

  • May 5, 2009, 12:26 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy -- AMEN.



  • May 5, 2009, 12:28 a.m. CST

    but seriously Danny, I was being sarcastic

    by southafricanguy

    about Coppola, the mans a legend. You cannot call yourself a film geek if you really believe the things I was saying.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Coppola is da bomb.


    And I think people have animosity toward him because they feel he is sorta wasting his time with family friendly commercial kiddie shit like Jack. He needs a fucking break like anyone. No one can consistently drop classic after classic. If he put as much into every film after Apocalypse, I think he would have been dead by 85.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    i have very broad tastes....I like Cppola and

    by southafricanguy

    Scorsece, Kubrick et al for certain types of movies, and depending on my mood. My admiration for Cameron is for his action sci-fi filmaking, a very different thing would nt you say? I just get the impression you are comparing him to those type of Directors, but is nt that really like comparing 2 bands that make completely different genres of music? Like comparing a heavy metal band with a jazz band, just fundementally two different things...

  • May 5, 2009, 12:32 a.m. CST

    1985....not the age of 85.


  • May 5, 2009, 12:35 a.m. CST

    I see what you're saying....


    ...but there are those around here that honestly think Cameron is the greatest film director of all time. It disturbs me to say the least. He is a studio blockbuster guy that injects a family element into his films and the world sucks his cock. I'm not denying he knows how to shoot action, he absolutely does. And I've said several times I do enjoy some of his films. Its the God-like worship that pisses me off.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:36 a.m. CST

    well..yeah no director is infallible, everyone

    by southafricanguy

    has made some shit...I think Coppola just fell on hard times and had to make stuff like Jack and The Rainmaker (which wasnt that bad imho)

  • May 5, 2009, 12:38 a.m. CST

    I haven't seen One From The Heart or Youth Without Youth...


    .....but judging everything else, he has never made a bad film IMO. Of course he has made some forgettable films. But never a bad one.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:40 a.m. CST

    well thats the funny thing dude, i dont like the

    by southafricanguy

    god like worship either, I dont believe anyone can make any supportable claim for any director being the best, and besides art is so subjective anyway. But at the same time dude dont confuse the difference between those that think he's the best and those that for them he is their favourite director (this is especially true of sci-fi and action fans), and theres nothing wrong with that, we all have our favourites...

  • May 5, 2009, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Thats true.


    I'm out. Talk to you later.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:48 a.m. CST

    ok dude....have a good one. Later...

    by southafricanguy

  • May 5, 2009, 1:04 a.m. CST

    So Jazz in Transformers 2 doesn't return.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    And it's the constructicons that smash through the aircraft carrier, on route to under the sea with Soundwave to rebuild Megatron & Blackout.<br> <br> The Alice character isn't Ravage in human form. But could be another transformer.<br> <br> Soundwave has been scanning vehicles, and when the Decepticons come to earth they fly by him in space and receive their alt mode on the way down.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:26 a.m. CST

    If talkbackers are such better writers...?


    Why is it they can't come up with words other than: "hack", "shit", "fuck", "cunt" and "Bay"?

  • May 5, 2009, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Kurtzman and Orci ARE hacks...buuuuut...

    by Brians Life

    okay, why was Empire Strikes Back SO MUCH better than any of the prequels!?!<br><br>George Lucas has ALOT of help with the screenplay, that's why.<br><br>In the same vein, Kurtzman and Orci wrote the screenplay for Star Trek, but Lindeloff and Abrams I'm sure tossed in A LOT of what has made it the movie that everyone seems to be enjoying. <br><br>When they don't have good doctors punching up their scripts, these guys are hack central.

  • May 5, 2009, 2:03 a.m. CST

    CENOBITE was just told...


    "C'mere. See... when writers have bad creative blocks or frustration they come into talkbacks to vent. This is widely known in certain rent controled areas of Burbank, Silver Springs and WeHo as "aintitcrapping"... or something like that." Oooohhh. I see! It all makes sense now! *goes back to sleep.

  • May 5, 2009, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Says it all

    by JumpinJehosaphat

  • May 5, 2009, 2:56 a.m. CST


    by ErnestBorgNine

    are they still parachuting in the 23rd century?

  • May 5, 2009, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Asimov....hey dude hows it going? Man you

    by southafricanguy

    must have enjoyed that interview with Orci and Kurtzman becos I know how much you think they suck...

  • May 5, 2009, 3:36 a.m. CST

    scriptgirl_nipples, what you said about that alice part

    by whothefuckcares

    and what I've been hearing for some pretty time now, is scarin' the piss outta me. A fuckin' pretender? Are they se...ugh Figures. Bay packs as many useless bitches as he can in a movie that doesn't need them.

  • May 5, 2009, 4:45 a.m. CST

    I'm seeing this Thursday 11am UK time

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Will let you all know what I think soon after...

  • May 5, 2009, 4:56 a.m. CST

    No, you can't check out COUNTDOWN if you're in UK

    by Mr Gorilla

    Because the sodding publisher hasn't released stock yet. From the darkest pits of hell I strike at thee! (Or something.)

  • May 5, 2009, 5:35 a.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    this Thursday in Korea. Not sure about the time yet though...

  • May 5, 2009, 5:39 a.m. CST

    whothefuckcares....yeah its been confirmed

    by southafricanguy

    there is a pretender that stalks Sam. Actually it looks like Bay has really loaded this film with stuff (aside from shit that is...) there seem to be combiners, insecticons, Frank Welker voiceing Soundwave, Leonard Nimoy may be voicing the Fallen....

  • May 5, 2009, 6:03 a.m. CST

    McG on Terminator 5 - WTF?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "I strongly suspect the next movie is going to take place in a [pre-Judgment Day] 2011," McG reveals. "John Connor is going to travel back in time and he's going to have to galvanize the militaries of the world for an impending Skynet invasion. They've figured out time travel to the degree where they can send more than one naked entity. So you're going to have hunter killers and transports and harvesters and everything arriving in our time and Connor fighting back with conventional military warfare, which I think is going to be f*cking awesome. I also think he's going to meet a scientist that's going to look a lot like present-day Robert Patrick [who famously played the T-1000 in Terminator 2], talking about stem-cell research and how we can all live as idealized, younger versions of ourselves."

  • May 5, 2009, 6:10 a.m. CST

    WTF indeed KWIS....that sounds fkn awful

    by southafricanguy

    I reallyhope he's just spitballing and that is seriously not what is being considered...

  • May 5, 2009, 6:16 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Hard to believe...but it is McG we're talking about. I think the fans will destroy him after seeing Salvation anyway, so who know if there will even be a fifth one.

  • May 5, 2009, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by Harold The Great

    I don't know man. That can be a terrible direction for T5, but than again, it's surprising as fuck. Full blown Time War against invading Skynet forces from the future? C'mon, that could be fucking professional.

  • May 5, 2009, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Dickblood, welcome back cuntface...

    by TurdontheRun

    I was hoping you'd have caught a severe dose of the swine flu by now, but no such luck, eh?

  • May 5, 2009, 7:41 a.m. CST

    T5, what a ridiculous idea

    by TurdontheRun

    McG's idea is that the next film is going to be about war in a pre-judgment day 2011? what the hell? aside from the fact that judgment day was supposed to take place in 2003 (already fucked up from Cameron's timeline of 1997), this is a very confusing and stupid idea. They are playing fast and loose with the idea of alternate timelines; it just becomes utterly meaningless after a while. Is it because in T4 the events change when judgement day happened in the past or something? what garbage!<p>McGinty, get your head screwed on, son.

  • May 5, 2009, 8:01 a.m. CST


    by ReturnoftheCreepyThinMan

    So, I’m re-reading Fangoria issue 231 from April 2004 and its funny how James Gunn’s career and life have turned to shit since then, especially after he dumped on “fanboys” for caring about Dawn of the Dead. This faggots whole career was built on ripping off one thing or another. Tromeo and Juliet = Romeo and Juliet, The Specials was a rip off of Mystery Men, Scooby Doo 1 & 2 was based on an old fucking TV show, Dawn of the Dead was a piss poor remake that failed to come up with anything new and turned the whole thing into an action film while Slither (Gunn’s Directorial debut) cribbed from Night of the Creeps.<br> <br>What was most sweet was when his actress/whore wife Jennifer Fischer dumped his ass the second her career took off after she got cast in the US remake of The Office. In that issue of Fango it’s so funny how this douche was defending his whore because people on the IMDB were dumping on her shitty acting in the show Undeclared.<br> <br>So what now Gunn? You’ve spent all your Hollywood cred Directing a movie that bombed. Your whore dumped you when her success outpaced your own and I don’t think they’ll be making another Scooby Doo movie any time soon since the last one was made in 2004.<br> <br>2009 and you’re already washed up. It’s too bad that all that time you spent rehashing and ripping off wasn’t spent on creating original works because it might have earned you some fanboys of your own but instead you’ve already been forgotten. So sad.

  • May 5, 2009, 8:48 a.m. CST

    I was wondering how the hacks who wrote Transformers...

    by KillDozer

    could've written a movie that might actually be good (haven't seen it yet), but then I read the part about Lindelof's involvement and it all made sense. Especially the fact that he's going to be an official writer on the sequel.

  • May 5, 2009, 8:49 a.m. CST



    Alright we get it. the Mexican'ts a hack. But I'm glad i'm not the only one to catch klutzman's overt tooliness. klutzman: Hey bob 'member how we used to watch trek. porci: not really it was just me. Klutzman: yeah sure sure, but 'member the marathons we watched once we got the contract. porci: that's just me again.

  • May 5, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack, Re: Korean actor playing Japanese Sulu

    by D.Vader

    I read somewhere that Geroge Takei said Mr. Sulu was intended to represent all Asians on Earth, therefore he has no problem with a Korean actor taking on the role that made him famous.

  • May 5, 2009, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by Harold The Great

    were pretty much the same movie three times. Why is it so bad if McG doesn't want to make Salvation two more times, with a slightly different plot and characters? the more I think about the Time War thing, the more I like it. It takes the original idea of Terminator 1 (temporal warfare with machines) to the next logical level, much like Alien evolved into Aliens.

  • May 5, 2009, 10:03 a.m. CST

    If that T5 story is true... then T5 will be shit

    by D.Vader

    What a terrible, terrible, hackneyed idea.

  • May 5, 2009, 10:18 a.m. CST

    N'uff said!

    by upstate14445

  • May 5, 2009, 11:11 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Too bad that won't stop Kim Jong ILL from shooting missles over Japan, the little prick.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    That was the most homoerotically charged exchange I have ever read in my life, and then some. You two need a room and a case of Cool Whip.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I respect the guy for coming here, taking abuse and giving me high fives. Trek looks like fun with above average smarts. I hope the space battles are sustained and mind-blowing. Trek has always lacked that. SW came close with the opening sequence in ROTS, but then lo and behold we get buzz droids instead. WTF. I want some goddamned escapism and as long as Kirk doesn't pee on Spock's legs, I'm happy.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Dom DeLouise died last night?

    by D.Vader

    RIP Dom.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Well George Takei is the epitome of "magnanimous"

    by D.Vader

    Just listen to his voice!

  • May 5, 2009, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Yo, D.vader don't joke about death...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    DeLouise is dead y'all.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Asimov, I'm not saying no one would have problems with it

    by D.Vader

    Trust me, I'm fully aware of insulting it is to think a Korean is Japanese or that someone from Vietnam is from China. <p> I'm just saying, George Takei says its not a big deal to have a Korean play the character bc Sulu was never intended to be strictly Japanese. In fact, his bio (for the character) says he was born in San Francisco and is of mixed heritage. Roddenberry picked the name "Sulu" bc he didn't want it to be nationally specific. <p> Sulu represented humans of Asian origin. There is nothing naive about agreeing with that.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    where the sins of humanity's past were atoned by the formation of the Federation. In Trek, everyone looked upon Earth's destructive past with shame, look what we did to the whales and Republicans.

  • May 5, 2009, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The way I see it though, is that Trek was effectively dead anyway. The TNG movies were horrible, thanks to the unfathomable control Brent Spiner had over them. So why not hand it to a bunch of guys who could reboot it and give us an eye-popping spectacle? With Nicholas Meyer and Roddenberry, ST was already killed off. Even Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman couldn't rape this anymore than it already has.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Damn you Rick Berman

  • May 5, 2009, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Hikaru was a name concocted in a spinoff novel

    by D.Vader

    It was never the character's intended name (though the name did get mentioned in the 4th movie). Sulu was intended to be an Asian character- they just happened to cast a Japanese actor in the role. <p> The Enterprise crew was supposed to be made up of an international crew (including one non-human), and now it sounds like you are faulting the show for casting a Japanese actor in the Asian crew member role. <p> The problem is not that a Korean is playing Sulu, the problem is that YOU are blaming Takei for his comments, as if it was his idea all along. He is simply stating the truth, and you are twisting it into some argument about Takei being naive, as if he's pulling all this out of his ass. This is a non-issue.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    AsimovLives is Memories-Of-Murder.<P>Knowledge is power and it's better if you guys know who you are dealing with.<P>Steady on.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:10 p.m. CST

    The problem lies with you, I suppose, Asimov

    by D.Vader

    Because you are the one who seems to fault Takei for being Japanese and for agreeing with Roddenberry that Sulu represented the Asian cultures (without the intention of him being fully Japanese). <p> In fact, during an original series episode where Sulu fences, they changed the sword from a katana to a traditional fencing foil because they didn't want to imply Sulu was Japanese. Give the argument up. Its a non-issue.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:11 p.m. CST

    well if Damon Lindelof helped. count me in!

    by zooch

  • May 5, 2009, 12:12 p.m. CST

    If true, that's too bad Mr.NiceGaius

    by D.Vader

    Because I just finally watched "Memories of Murder" last week and enjoyed it immensely. <p>But his talk about Korea becoming well-loved in all of Asia did raise a flag for me.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Asimov, here are the facts

    by D.Vader

    Roddenberry wanted an Asian character on the Enterprise. He creates a non-nationality specific character named Sulu. He he to represent humans of Asian descent. <p> Roddenberry casts George Takei, a Japanese actor, as Sulu. <p> In the new movie, JJ Abrams casts John Cho, a Korean in the Sulu role. <p> Takei says Cho's nationality does not matter because SULU represents Asian culture. <p> You, Asimov, come here and say that George Takei is very naive, tactless, and that he blundered by making the (apparently offensive) statement (which is a restatement of Roddenberry's intentions for the character) that Sulu represents Asians on the Enterprise. <p> You're blaming Sulu for regurgitating Roddenberry's original, utopian idea. You're basically saying it became a crap idea to have Sulu represent Asia once they cast a Japanese man in the role. Its ridiculous. <p> I might as well get extremely offended and pissed that they made a Russian and a Scotsmen representative of the Europeans. Or that Uhuru was an African-American instead of a pure African. Give me a break.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh, stop it. I'm simply pointing out the obvious; no harm done.<P>As for "xenophobic", what the HELL are you talking about?! Do you even know what you're saying?<P>Anyone using the word "xenophobic" after lobbing the slur "Mexican't" around can't possibly know what he's talking about or the hypocrisy for which he stands.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:43 p.m. CST

    You're looking too far into it, I think, Asimov

    by D.Vader

    Making a character representative of one of Earth's multi-nationalities is NOT suggesting that character's ethnic background is the SUPERIOR one. They are not suggesting that the Japanese are best by having Sulu represent Asia. They are just making their crew multi-ethnic by having a Japanese (Asian) character. <p> I get what you're saying that certain countries have a lot of animosity toward them - I really do. But NO ONE is suggesting the Japanese are the best of all Asians, and that's where I think you're missing the point and getting confused.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:46 p.m. CST

    It IS okay to have someone represent a continent

    by D.Vader

    It is plenty okay to have someone represent the continent of Africa or someone else represent the continent of Asia. <p> Because to imply otherwise, to imply that a person from one country (Kenya or Japan) can NOT represent the continent suggests that the countries are not equal. I'd say its far more dangerous because it suggests that some countries are better than others, that other countries are not fit to be a representative.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    First of all, calm down. You are making yourself look silly.<P>Second, please point out where I said I had a "big problem" with your nationality. I have said NO such thing. If you can find an example of this "problem", I'll buy you a ticket to TRANSFORMERS 2.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Unfortunately he chooses (not that he can't) not to appear in every movie (even Jehovah rested on the 7th Day). If he had been Kirk we'd be united in praising impending professionalism.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Intergalactic playa.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    He represents gay people very well, much better than that douche Perez Hilton.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Praise Him, or spend eternity in the shitter.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Don't sweat MNG, AsimovLives...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    he fancies himself as some kind of AICN cop and relishes the chance to get people banned. And he's probably just jealous that your name is waaaay cooler than his.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by Lingerdog

    Dom Deluise is dead...

  • May 5, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Is there a film where...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    a specific film broadcasts is picked up by an alien culture and it convinces them to visit? <P> I know there are stories where TV in general influence a visit. <P> I"m talking about a single, fictional, film catching the eye's of a visual medium influenced alien culture. <P> It sounds familiar to me and i can't remember if it was just an old sci-fi story i read or...

  • May 5, 2009, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Or Galaxy Quest, Dr.DirtyD...

    by ErnestBorgNine

  • May 5, 2009, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Hayden Panettiere as Janice Rand

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    That would be my suggestion.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by Dr.DirtyD

    Fucking perfect.

  • May 5, 2009, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Look...I can't tell what any of these fucks is supposed to be..

    by conspiracy

    Some white guys, some black chick, and generic asian #1. Stop getting your PC panties in a bunch folks...who gives a fuck if the cracker playing the guy from Iowa was Born in fucking Canada.</p><p>

  • May 5, 2009, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Dom Deluise=Fucking Professional

    by conspiracy

  • May 5, 2009, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's pretty funny and inaccurate coming from you = a Talkbacker I've never seen or conversed with before. Do you usually enjoy talking out of turn and out of your ass?<P>Anyway, nice to meet you, ErnestBorgNine. I'm sure the pleasure is all yours.

  • May 5, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Should I watch this in digital or celluloid?

    by _Maltheus_

    I understand that digital is better after the movie has been out a week or two, but wouldn't celluloid be better on opening day simply due to the greater resolution? I've never really blown away by digital, so I guess I'm on the fence. What's your guys opinion on digital?

  • May 5, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Galaxy Quest would be closer...

    by Dr.DirtyD

    Contact not at all. I"m talking about ONE film that catches the eye, and it's not a science fiction film, or Hitler. I"m thinking it was in an older science fiction story i read a while back. Something from the end of the Golden Age.

  • May 5, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I've got high hopes for Trek and for JJ's direction

    by D.Vader

    After all, he directed the pilot episode of LOST, which I'd say is a television masterpiece.

  • May 5, 2009, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by fiester

    Khan was great because Maltalban just owned the character so much--but they also owe a great debt to the writers of that film, who took a single episode from TOS and worked with it to make Khan the icon he is today. Which wasn't the case before Wrath. <p> Given that premise, why not go back to the 70 or so odd episodes in TOS and find your own character to expand upon and create a new icon, rather than recycle Khan yet again?

  • May 5, 2009, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    I don't have a problem with you; you seem to be intelligent and amiable for the most part, and I think we agree on some aspects of what was discussed today. I don't think there's anything wrong with Takei saying Sulu represented the Asian peoples of Earth, however. <p> But to go along with the example of Theron representing Africans (bc she is one, technically)... well that's a can of worms I'd rather not discuss =). <p> However, I'm pretty sure no one would pick a South African or anyone of Afrikaan descent to represent Africa. Maybe Afrikaa.

  • May 5, 2009, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Yeah, MNG...

    by ErnestBorgNine

    because it's completely beyond possible that I've only ever used this name, right? And you, being the self-appointed AICN sheriff, are immediately suspicious because you don't recognize me, and since I wrote something about you, your accussation of me being someone you've gotten banned isn't too far off. Or maybe you'll just resort to calling me a "cunt" in a one word response, like you're often wont to do? And I talked out of turn, huh? And you don't see yourself as a self-appointed cop how? Quit being such an insufferable little twist. Or write another crappy parody of an eighties song about pseudo-mythological creatures. Whatever helps, son. Wow, look at that, you got exactly what you wanted, you troll you. I guess you win!

  • May 5, 2009, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Well, someone sure is bitter...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...and has been keeping some sort of bizarre and creepy checklist by the looks of things.<P>Uh, explain to me exactly how I'm some sort of "self-appointed cop" and how that dubious distinction holds any sort of "power" or sway on this rinky-dink site. I'd really like to know because it's about as hollow an accusation as I've seen on these boards in quite sometime.<P>Quote: "I guess you win!"<P>If you say so, fella.

  • May 5, 2009, 4:24 p.m. CST

    No, I conceded, MNG.

    by ErnestBorgNine

    And you answered your own question. <p> Maybe you should reread a little Nietzsche?

  • May 5, 2009, 4:43 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Be vigilant!

  • May 5, 2009, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You just got yourself a shiny new badge!!!

  • May 5, 2009, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Howard Stern loves the film...

    by strosmer

    Granted, he's no connoisseur, but he is a Star Trek fan and makes insightful commentary on many sci-fi and comic book movies. He had nothing but praise to heap upon Abrams' Star Trek on today's show. He also credited the writers with doing a phenomenal job of keeping true to the original series. He went so far as to call it one of the greatest sci-fi films ever made. I'm sure a lot of fanboys would differ with this account, and I've had my own doubts about whether Abrams would pull this off, but Stern's discussion of the film, of how everyone in the theater seemed to enjoy it, has me more excited to see it than any other movie this summer. Prepare to be transported this weekend sci-fi and movie geeks!

  • May 5, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Hey Asimov...firstly, yes it was damn profess

    by southafricanguy

    ional of you to insult Orci on an open public forum. His Baleness would indeed be proud. Secondly, as a white South African, and thus a white African, allow me to comment on much of what Asimov has said......he is dead on. Many African countries have sizable white populations, and they 100% consider themselves African, afterall we have been born and raised in Africa for several generations. It would be like me claiming an American of Irish descent is not truly American. Also, yes we do see black Americans as foreigners, and we really hate it when they come to Africa and talk about 'coming home' and 'returning home'. Sorry guys, no offence, but its not your home, and you are not African. You are not African culturally or in your appearance (by this I mean way of dress etc), or in your mindset or outlook on life/the world...

  • May 5, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST dude. Fair enough

    by southafricanguy

    you got us. I guess that burying the hatchet exchange may have come across as kinda gay. But hey if you can rather to civil to fellow talkbackers while disagreeing with them or having very different tastes to them, then so much the better right? But you made me laugh with that comment lol...

  • May 5, 2009, 8:42 p.m. CST


    by southafricanguy

    talking out of his ass, becos I really think that idea is retarded (and i say this fully aware that its my own subjective opinion). Whats the fucking point then? I can see the justification for T4 to finally show the future war and how everything loops back on itself. But that just sounds like making more terminator movies becos its a name brand. They will end up making the terminator universe to convulated, unwieldly and never ending ala star trek, the x-files etc...cmon, for fucks sake...give us a begining, a middle , and an end...

  • May 5, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Asimov...i hear ya about the japanese/korean

    by southafricanguy

    thing. As someone living in Korea (and having lived in Japan and traveled around Asia) and who has a Korean girlfriend, ypu speak the truth dude. Almost all other Asian people hate the Japanese, and everyone is enviousn of the KOreans....and why not? Great economy, good food, good movies, high standard of living (without being insanely expensive like Japan) and damn good looking/sexy women...

  • May 5, 2009, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Oh...and Danny, to belatedly answer your

    by southafricanguy

    question about getting laid in South Africa. What you have to understand is that that high Aids rate exists almost completely among rural black people (South Africa still has a very large rural population). The reason for this is mostly rooted in traditional African culture which sees the use of condoms, or any contraceptives as unmanly...basically the more children you can father (you are allowed more than one wife in traditional African culture, even though its illegal) the more of a man you are. And the more children you have, the more future workers you have to help you work the land and raise cattle. Also important to remember is that the rural areas of South Africa are still very poor and undeveloped, thus the people are mostly uneducated and thus ignorant about AIDS and contraceptives. However in the cities (which are developed and csmopolitan) its not such a big worry becos people use contraceptives etc...basically urban life in Sa isnt so different as it would be in America Danny....That being said, you do need to be careful and use some simple common sense....if you know what I mean...

  • May 5, 2009, 10:01 p.m. CST



  • May 6, 2009, 2:18 a.m. CST

    thank you Asimov...coming from another

    by southafricanguy

    professional, that is indeed a compliment. Yes my friend tis true, i am lucky enough to live and work in Korea (Asia's best kept secret) Yeah my friend there is no shortage of gorgeous women here, just like you see in their movies. Trust me, my eyes get a regular workout everyday lol. And yes I do have my own sassy girl....dude the women here have a way of changing your mind about marriage, has never interested me, but i am seriously considering marrying my girlfriend.

  • May 6, 2009, 2:20 a.m. CST

    and yeah their movies are quite good, really

    by southafricanguy

    the envy of Asia now. Here Korean movies will often even out perform Hollywood blockbusters...they are that popular..And dont worry about pronouncing the names dude, even after several years here and having basically gone native, i still have trouble with them lol..

  • May 6, 2009, 2:25 a.m. CST

    but also gotta say Asimov...Portugeuse

    by southafricanguy

    women have definitly got their own thing going on....Have met many damn sexy girls from your neck of the woods....

  • May 6, 2009, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Asimov....yeah you wont believe the level of

    by southafricanguy

    hatred that still exists towards the Japanese here in Korea. I still get somewhat shocked at the things Koreans will often say about the Japanese. They will often say that Japan sinking into the sea is their biggest dream, or that they wish more atomic bombs had been dropped on Japan etc...and they are being dead serious when they say these things. And dont ever compare Koreans to Japanese, unless its one where they are much better than

  • May 6, 2009, 6:47 a.m. CST

    and everything you said about the Koreans

    by southafricanguy

    feeling towards the Japanese is spot on dude. Asimov you really are a very well informed individual, are a fkn professional...

  • May 6, 2009, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Asimov...what are your favourite sci-fi movies?

    by southafricanguy

    if you are a sci-fi fan that is...

  • May 6, 2009, 8:07 a.m. CST

    fair enough dude....personally im a big trek

    by southafricanguy

    fan, grew up on it. Love the 60s optimism and sense of exploration, as well as the mixture of action adenture with thoughtful ideas. Also love Alien/Aliens the best one two punch of horror/action/sci-fi mixed together ever made imho (I also personally consider Aliens to be the single best sequal ever made). Love Akira and ghost in the shell (also other anime like patlabor and robotech, i like the mech armour genre). Love the fist 2 terminator movies, imho they use time travel very cleverly, and just have great action. Plus the idea of technology being both the potential source of our destruction or our salvation just really appeals to me.

  • May 6, 2009, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Also love the original SW trilogy, before Lucas

    by southafricanguy

    deceided to destroy everything that was cool about it. And i think strange days is a very underrated little cybepunk movie from Bigelow. Im sure there are others but that is whats coming to mind right now...

  • May 6, 2009, 8:12 a.m. CST

    but i do agree with you...pickings have been

    by southafricanguy

    pretty slim lately. But thats why im excited about this year, a new trek, District 9, parabelem, and of course the big one, Avatar.

  • May 6, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    my guilty pleasure is...wait for it...Waterworld!

    by southafricanguy

    yeah i know the multiple reasons its not a good movie, its dumb, simplistic, just a standard adventure movie with sci-fi trappings...all true. But I just love the central concept and the awsome production design.

  • May 6, 2009, 8:31 a.m. CST

    What was Star Trek actually about?

    by GetEveryone

    Like, the over-arching plot? I seem to remember them trying to find "their way home". Surely, other than their wacky adventures, the crew of the Enterprise had a mission or otherwise?

  • May 6, 2009, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Star Trek mission

    by spud mcspud

    Space. The final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five year mission: to seek out new life and new civilisations. To boldly go where no man has gone before.<P> I'm paraphrasing, but I think that was pretty much the mission statement. Cue credits and cool wailing 60s theme tune.

  • May 6, 2009, 2:03 p.m. CST

    All of this wretched hatred for this movie needs to stop.

    by Nicodemus07

    What do you think that you'll accomplish by deriding these people you don't know because they had a hand in making a film based on Star Trek that *gasp* WASN'T face meltingly brilliant? I can't help but think that you folks won't be happy with ANY adaptation of a genre work until someone makes a movie that cures cancer, stops wars, unites the nations and makes the lion fall in love with the lamb. Here's a thought: If you don't like the mere idea of this movie, don't watch it, don't think about it and certainly don't post in talkbacks about it. about it on this website unless you want to have a CIVIL dialogue about it. But speaking your mind is just *so* important, isn't it?

  • May 6, 2009, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Saw it —

    by blakindigo

    — and all I can say<br><br> The movie deserves all the praise it gets. Well done.<br><br> Uhura is absolutely stunning.

  • May 6, 2009, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Asimov Lives

    by Nicodemus07

    To be replaced by civil discussion of a film that regardless of what your opinion is, other people have a right to actually like. And hopefully less homophobic insinuations that everyone that likes this movie (and presumably disagrees with YOU) is gay.

  • May 7, 2009, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Antonio Banderas for Khan!

    by DiamondJoe

    You fucking know it makes sense!

  • May 8, 2009, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Hmmm, let's call him Nero

    by kabong

    and copy bits of Khan and Shinzon. <P> Okay, what do we copy next?

  • May 8, 2009, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Green Girl Secrets

    by unclebusu

    I think these two Xena vets did a good job

  • May 8, 2009, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Question about the prequel book 'Countdown'

    by Arteska

    Read it before seeing the movie (HIGHLY recommended and NOT a rip off like so much of this kind of thing has been in the past) but was wondering if any of it was filmed? I know some of the ground was covered in the mindmeld sequence in the movie but I'm curious if it exists in a form that could or would be added to a longer cut on BluRay or whatever?

  • May 8, 2009, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Bardem has been mentioned for Khan here before

    by Arteska

    and I thought that was kind of brilliant...but he was also tossed out as Conan elsewhere here today so maybe people just say his name for everything now...

  • May 10, 2009, 11:40 p.m. CST

    o yea

    by jack burton jr.

  • May 10, 2009, 11:41 p.m. CST

    this movie was the boss! ( check this out)

    by jack burton jr.

  • May 11, 2009, 1:06 p.m. CST

    They are hacks-look at their track record

    by Kelg

    Legend of Zorro Ok so Zorro's daughter was a chip off the old block in the first movie-then she becomes a completely different and dull character in the sequel. Did Orci and Kurtzman watch the first movie? The Island-yeah Mission Impossible 3-exciting but completely stupid after a couple of viewings. Transformers--perhaps the stupidest genre screenplay ever written. The bit with the grandfather glasses having a map is something you would see in a 1950s movie that has no budget for visual effects. These writers are retards. The "let's hide the weapon the big robots want in a populated city" bit. A good writer would have tried to make it practical--they didnt bother. And the idea that they will ever write something as good as City on the Edge of Forever...this was meant as a joke right? These guys are hacks. They seem more interested in going up to executive producing than improving their writing ability. David Chase they are not.