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Published on Monday, May 4, 2009 - 3:43am |
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Roberto Orci And Alex Kurtzman Boldly Break Down The Writing Of STAR TREK For Mr. Beaks!
Call it J.J. Abrams's STAR TREK if you like, but Paramount would probably still be mulling over a reboot of Gene Roddenberry's groundbreaking sci-fi series today were it not for the brainstorming efforts of screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. The key? Finding a way into the original series' (TOS) universe without violating the narrative Prime Directive - i.e. Thou Shalt Not Interfere With Canon.
Their solution of an alternative timeline (driven by a revenge-seeking Romulan and protected by an elderly Spock) may not be the most breathtakingly brilliant invention in the history of film, but it was likely the only way the writing duo could get free and clear of established events while still playing to the base. These are the other voyages of the Starship Enterprise. There will be deviations. But the heart of TREK - Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov and Scotty - will remain intact; it's just that when they encounter Klingons or Tribbles or Khan, the outcome is bound to be different. Except when it's not.
On one hand, Orci and Kurtzman are playing with house money; they've got carte blanche to rewrite the entirety of TREK without drawing fire from the purists. But therein lies the problem: will they - along with Abrams and LOST co-creator Damon Lindelof - be able to reach the heights of classics like "The City on the Edge of Forever", "Amok Time" and THE WRATH OF KHAN? Or will this alternate STAR TREK devolve into a compromised, play-to-the-cheap-seats bastardization of Roddenberry's vision?
One gets the sense that Roberto Orci would just as soon take a staff job on GENERAL HOSPITAL as travesty the most beloved science-fiction franchise of the last fifty years. Fucking up STAR TREK is probably not high on Alex Kurtzman's to-do list either, but, as he acknowledges in the below interview, Orci is the Trek expert of the two. Together, they've quickly gone from in-demand tentpole screenwriters (their credits include TRANSFORMERS and its forthcoming sequel, MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III and THE ISLAND) to big-time TV/movie producers (they've just completed the first season of FRINGE and have the Sandra Bullock/Ryan Reynolds romantic comedy THE PROPOSAL due this June). But it'd all be for naught if they botched STAR TREK - which, thankfully, they haven't.
Perhaps it's a good thing that Paramount dissuaded them from blowing up the Enterprise in their first film. That's not a joke. We also discuss the development of the script, the involvement of Lindelof, the seeming inevitability of Khan, and much more.
Mr. Beaks: What was you level of familiarity with STAR TREK before you started writing the screenplay?
Alex Kurtzman: It was very intense, but in different ways.
Roberto Orci: My familiarity was pretty high. [I'm] not the ultimate geek; several people at conventions could outrank me easily. But it was certainly high. I'd read most of the novels that I could get my hands on, I was a die-hard fan of a lot of the series, etc.
Kurtzman: I had been a huge fan of the original series when it was on reruns when I was a kid. Then WRATH OF KHAN was kind of the big bang for me in terms of locking in on TREK.
Beaks: Prior to writing the screenplay, when you were kicking around ideas with J.J., did you guys go back and watch a lot of original series episodes?
Orci: I didn't. [To Kurtzman:] And I don't think you did either.
Kurtzman: I went back and read a lot of them actually. Bob had been an enormous fan of THE NEXT GENERATION when we were in high school, and I was not. He was saying, "You've got to watch this show, it's so unbelievable!" And I was like, "Yeah, yeah." But I finally went back and read every single episode, and was totally stunned by how brilliant it was and how well it had evolved. That was my re-entry point. Then I reread a bunch of the novels. But I think we'd--
Orci: But that was after we had the idea for the story already.
Kurtzman: Yeah.
Orci: Once we came up with what we thought the story should be, and we pitched it to J.J. and the studio, that's when we went back and started rereading everything and kind of making sure we were on the right track.
Beaks: So you guys went on your own and brainstormed, and then pitched J.J. on the idea.
Orci: Right.
Beaks: How long did you have to brainstorm before you seized on the idea that you ended up using?
Orci: Eight months. Maybe. And it was eight months before we ever said we'd do it. We just thought about it, and... [to Kurtzman] you tell the story about Marc Evans.
Kurtzman: I'd been having dinner with Marc Evans, who's one of the execs at Paramount. He's a friend of mine.
Orci: And also a STAR TREK fan.
Kurtzman: And he casually mentioned at dinner, "Would you guys ever think about doing STAR TREK?" And I kind of dropped my fork. I knew that it was such a big choice. It's such an enormous responsibility. And Bob had been such a huge, huge fan, that... this was not something to enter into lightly. We thought about it for, honestly, between six months to a year because the fear of messing it up was so frightening that--
Orci: We didn't think we were going to do it.
Kurtzman: And then after a while, we realized the fear was exactly the reason we had to do it, because we felt like we had to protect it. And that if we went to some new TREK movie and felt that whatever choices were made were choices we disagreed with, we'd have nobody to blame but ourselves. So we started talking about the story and what we wanted, and I think immediately we both felt that there was no version of this other than a Kirk-Spock story.
Orci: And yet how do you do that and be respectful. So that's when we hit upon the idea of Leonard Nimoy, and having him be responsible for this new timeline. That's when we knew we could go in and say, "Okay, we've got something."
Beaks: When you brought it to J.J., what did he add?
Orci: I mean, once we had the story, you have to go figure out so many millions of details and scenes. And you can't be in a room with [Abrams] without him coming up with ten million ideas: from how Kirk sneaks onto the Enterprise, to the gun battle that happens on Nero's ship - we originally had that as a fistfight. You just go through every detail. We would give him thirty pages at a time, and he would give us notes.
Kurtzman: The other thing is that J.J. is a self-acknowledged... he had not been a "Trekkie" or a "Trekker" growing up. So his objectivity was actually critical for us. We all knew that what we wanted to get out of this was a movie that hopefully satisfied fans but also brought in a new fanbase to this extremely wonderful franchise that we all love. There have been a lot of reasons we'd heard why people dismiss TREK: it's too cold, it's too sci-fi , women don't like it. We thought J.J. was a perfect barometer for that audience.
Orci: It wasn't going to be good enough for us to say, "Well, that's how it was in STAR TREK." He was going to say, "Well, I don't care! Why is that good here?" It had to stand on its own merits, and we knew that his objectivity would be the filter for everything.
Beaks: I have to ask: was the "Guardian of Forever" ever an element in your story?
Orci: No.
Beaks: You mentioned THE WRATH OF KHAN. That's obviously considered the high point of TREK on film. We know that Nicholas Meyer was not a STAR TREK fan before he came to the property, so he was kind of like J.J. in that regard.
Orci: Right.
Beaks: Do you know if J.J. went back and watched old episodes?
Kurtzman: Sure. He saturated his brain on every level.
Orci: Once he decided he was going to direct it. (Laughs)
Beaks: Did you ever meet with Nicholas Meyer?
Kurtzman: We met Nick Meyer when we were doing STAR TREK DVD interviews. We actually passed on a soundstage.
Orci: And I actually kneeled before him.
Kurtzman: Bob fell to his knees, and I grabbed his hand. (Laughs) He was so kind and generous. He's literally the reason that I wanted to make a STAR TREK movie.
Beaks: What was Damon Lindelof's involvement in the writing of the script?
Kurtzman: We cannot overemphasize how important he was. He and Bob both shared the fanatic TREK point of view; they both were extremely familiar with every detail of history. He was so critical in the story-breaking process as well.
Orci: Yeah, he really helped the story. You can't come in and pitch scenes to J.J. and Damon - and he was there every time we got together - without them literally improvising dialogue right then and there that you must write down, that has to go in the script. They're just that fast. So their spices are all over the script.
Beaks: You've probably been writing STAR TREK episodes in your head since you were a kid, but when you finally sat down to write an actual STAR TREK script, was it difficult to nail the voices of these iconic characters?
Kurtzman: I have to say that it was weirdly like snuggling up to a warm blanket. I think what was weird about it was that it wasn't hard for us to get the voices. What was challenging was making sure that you found those moments that you know you need, like Scotty's famous lines or Bones's famous lines. Any context that you were going to get for those needed to feel extremely organic and extremely real and not like we were cartooning those moments. The minute we cartooned those moments, we knew we'd be dead in the water. That was the challenge: making it all feel very organic.
Orci: Kirk was hard. I thought the other characters were, like Alex said, a warm blanket. Kirk took us a minute.
Kurtzman: I think it's because he was more outwardly a rebel than he'd ever been in any other iteration of Kirk.
Orci: We couldn't hide behind him being Captain already. We had to really find his voice.
Kurtzman: James Dean in REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE is who we really had in mind, though Dean was much more internal in that movie.
Beaks: But when you actually wrote "Damn it, Jim!" as an organic, unforced line of dialogue, surely there were high fives exchanged.
Kutztman: Totally!
Orci: Completely! (Laughs) You've got us pegged.
Beaks: Were there any no-go areas in the writing of the scripts? Anything that you specifically did not want to touch with this first film?
Orci: Once we had the idea? I mean, we had things we changed. We had Carol Marcus in an early draft, we had Nurse Chapel in an early draft, we had a few other shout-outs, but they were just taking up time. The "no-go" rule was that it had to serve our core characters, and if it's not doing that, then we need to look at it again.
Kurtzman: At one point, we were very foolishly thinking about blowing up the Enterprise.
Beaks: Seriously?
Kurtzman: The studio could not have been more supportive on every level on every decision that was made. The only note we ever got was "Do not blow up the Enterprise." (Laughs) And we were like, "Yeah, you're right."
Orci: (Laughing) We didn't fight it at all.
Beaks: Well, it took them until the third movie to blow up the Enterprise. You've got to work up to that. That's a big move.
Orci: I agree.
Beaks: Do you see yourself getting to that point?
Orci: Now that we have it, I never want to get rid of it. Blow up the Enterprise? Never!
Beaks: You guys aren't going to give me a real answer on this, but I'm going to ask anyway. Have you considered working Khan into a subsequent film?
Kurtzman: Who?
Orci: The honest answer is if you're a TREK fan, there's no way Khan isn't at the top of the list of things you want to play with, right?
Beaks: Right.
Orci: It'll just be whether or not it's the right thing to do.
Beaks: That's another iconic character with a very distinctive voice. How would you write Khan if you were to take that character on?
Kurtzman: The whole reason we came to this idea of an alternative timeline was so that everyone could feel that canon was being respected while giving us freedom to have the future be unwritten. I think that leaves you as much or as little room for interpretation as you'd like in terms of some of the key characters.
Orci: I think if this works, it'll be because it sometimes does what would've happened in the other timeline, and it sometimes doesn't. It's sort of a harmony - and finding that right balance will the be key if we do it.
Sadly, I had to wrap up before I pressed them on a forthcoming Gorn appearance. Next time.
STAR TREK opens this Friday, May 8th, but you knew that already. You can also check out STAR TREK: COUNTDOWN, a four-part graphic novel based on a story by Orci and Kurtzman.
Faithfully submitted,
Mr. Beaks
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Reader Talkback
Whats with the blowjobs Beaks?
These guys are terrible by IndustryKiller! | May 4th, 2009 03:55:00 AM | Their "Trek" script sucked
balls. by V'Shael | May 4th, 2009 04:07:14 AM | Leave Khan alone by Horace Cox | May 4th, 2009 04:09:10 AM | Why do i hear... by pitti71 | May 4th, 2009 04:10:22 AM | Orci and Kurtzman can go fuck
Jorge Garcia. by JuanSanchez | May 4th, 2009 04:23:05 AM | V'Shael? Are you for real?
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Bastardface | May 4th, 2009 04:32:46 AM | V'Shael an asshole by optimus122 | May 4th, 2009 04:38:22 AM | Get Nimoy to direct the next
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and a Street-Walking Lady. by JuanSanchez | May 4th, 2009 05:12:36 AM | Orci and Kurtzman suck Donkey
Balls by Trannyformers_Apologist | May 4th, 2009 05:27:44 AM | Alternative timeline was not
necessary , by Gungan Slayer | May 4th, 2009 06:03:16 AM | alternative timeline was also
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STAR TREK V by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 09:51:20 AM | Orko and Col. Kurtz can both
fuck off.... by Jobacca | May 4th, 2009 09:59:57 AM | RAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPEEEE! by FaTassDino_Molester | May 4th, 2009 10:01:35 AM | Mr. Beaks I am totally with
you! by lprothro | May 4th, 2009 10:04:43 AM | Has the Star Trek fan
community imploded yet? by kwisatzhaderach | May 4th, 2009 10:25:19 AM | WHY DID THEY GET A KOREAN TO
PLAY A JAPANESE? by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 10:25:59 AM | Amy Chasing by Stunt Vocalist 709 | May 4th, 2009 10:28:23 AM | Uhura, NOT Uhuru by whitty | May 4th, 2009 10:30:25 AM | Amy Chasing by Stunt Vocalist 709 | May 4th, 2009 10:31:12 AM | spacechampion by whitty | May 4th, 2009 10:37:31 AM | Not a nerd, just a trekkie. by Alphanumeric1971 | May 4th, 2009 10:59:32 AM | Alphanumeric1971 by kwisatzhaderach | May 4th, 2009 11:29:09 AM | I love the smell of angry nerd by CaptainAxis | May 4th, 2009 11:45:48 AM | For what its worth.. by Jobacca | May 4th, 2009 11:53:09 AM | Mr Beaks is a laugh by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 11:56:34 AM | Jobacca by FaTassDino_Molester | May 4th, 2009 12:00:47 PM | FaTassDino_Molester by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 12:09:47 PM | Orci and Kurtzman are 3rd rate
at least - by Professor_Monster | May 4th, 2009 12:11:03 PM | Professor_Monster by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 12:15:50 PM | BEAM ME UP ROBERTO! by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 12:31:25 PM | Cool by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 12:32:56 PM | According to the haters, Orci
and Kurtzman can't write! by ganymede3010 | May 4th, 2009 12:44:18 PM | Haters... by Stunt Vocalist 709 | May 4th, 2009 12:48:55 PM | I'm looking forward to this. by rbatty024 | May 4th, 2009 01:06:03 PM | trekker, trekkie... by Alphanumeric1971 | May 4th, 2009 01:17:42 PM | ROBERTO: ENERGIZE!!! by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 01:21:30 PM | THE TROUBLE WITH ROBERTOS by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 01:22:14 PM | Stunt Vocalist 709... by Alphanumeric1971 | May 4th, 2009 01:22:51 PM | SPACE ORCI by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 01:23:02 PM | Some pretty naked jealously
here by Arteska | May 4th, 2009 01:23:04 PM | STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF BOB by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 01:24:31 PM | STAR TREK III: THE
UNDISCOVERED ORCI by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 01:26:46 PM | "OPTIMUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
!!" by conspiracy | May 4th, 2009 01:40:52 PM | BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 01:55:12 PM | and another fact... by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 01:59:12 PM | I've seen this movie - about a
month ago and it's bad. by Professor_Monster | May 4th, 2009 01:59:50 PM | Just want to say thanks by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 02:03:48 PM | City On The Edge by skoolbus | May 4th, 2009 02:13:22 PM | Alphanumeric1971 by Stunt Vocalist 709 | May 4th, 2009 02:14:32 PM | "Your" movies an TV shows? by Professor_Monster | May 4th, 2009 02:15:08 PM | Bob Orci, scribe of
break-dancing robots... by Darth_Inedible | May 4th, 2009 02:41:29 PM | Re: Boborci by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 02:45:47 PM | Professor_Monster -- Oh god,
no... by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 02:50:38 PM | Cobbio was "Nick Meyer
kneelworthy?" by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 02:52:12 PM | Hmm by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 02:54:31 PM | He Does by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 02:59:22 PM | BOBORCI by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION | May 4th, 2009 03:01:20 PM | TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 03:02:52 PM | YES I WOULD, BOBORCI by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION | May 4th, 2009 03:05:31 PM | I saw this movie at an early
preview... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 03:06:21 PM | Dr.DirtyD - Nurse Chapel by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 03:10:59 PM | oh, and don't do Khan again by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 03:11:21 PM | BOB by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 03:15:15 PM | Yea, but screw those movies... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 03:16:39 PM | IF YOU HAVE NICHOLAS MEYER'S
BLESSING, THAT'S OKAY by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 03:18:07 PM | Agreed. Khan would be a bad
move by Kief_Ledger | May 4th, 2009 03:19:13 PM | Good luck Bob..and I really
mean that... by conspiracy | May 4th, 2009 03:22:19 PM | BOB - DO WE NEED TO CHECK OUR
BRAINS AT THE DOOR by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 03:28:16 PM | conspiracy -- Must see on big
screen by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 03:30:27 PM | Tholians by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 03:30:56 PM | BringingSexyBack by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 03:31:11 PM | Stunt Vocalist 709 by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 03:34:19 PM | Orci and Kurtzman are to
movies -- by Professor_Monster | May 4th, 2009 03:34:21 PM | BOB - GREAT by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 03:35:31 PM | that's "write to taste" by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 03:35:48 PM | Hehe by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 03:36:46 PM | Cobb by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 03:42:57 PM | man, I sound like a
SpinerFemme by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 03:45:40 PM | T and NC by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 03:54:59 PM | Roddenberry on WrATH OF Kahn by spoits | May 4th, 2009 03:55:58 PM | Bullshit...so what you are all
saying is... by conspiracy | May 4th, 2009 03:59:52 PM | Boborci by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 04:00:26 PM | blakindigo by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 04:10:08 PM | "I don't want to be lectured
for two hours" by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 04:13:13 PM | What?! You don't want to — by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 04:17:27 PM | Boborci is not the real
Roberto "Bob" Orci by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 04:18:09 PM | blakindigo by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 04:20:59 PM | Conspiracy... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 04:23:59 PM | 7 months to go by kwisatzhaderach | May 4th, 2009 04:25:33 PM | AsimovLives by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 04:30:39 PM | I'm conflicted about Orci, but
it's a good. example... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 04:34:59 PM | asimovlives -- always find it
funny that people by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 04:35:03 PM | "Fact= once in a while
something good... by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 04:42:20 PM | Dr.DirtyD by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 04:48:44 PM | Boborci by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 04:49:15 PM | Well, i'm glas we get two
great films made within the
sytem by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 04:50:32 PM | THe MI:3 Rabit Foot bullshit by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 04:53:37 PM | Also by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 04:58:19 PM | Dr.DirtyD by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 04:58:20 PM | All i can say is Infinite
Diversity in infinite
Combination's by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:03:01 PM | blakindigo by AsimovLives | May 4th, 2009 05:04:51 PM | AsimovLives...Agreed. by conspiracy | May 4th, 2009 05:13:03 PM | I'd disagree— by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 05:14:17 PM | Star Trek has always been by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:27:34 PM | "are you the tooth fairy?" by supercowbell4therequestformore
cowbell | May 4th, 2009 05:28:09 PM | BSB - Bale actually has three
ears by spud mcspud | May 4th, 2009 05:30:16 PM | Remake by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 05:31:12 PM | and then Nurse Chapel wraps a
Tholian web.. by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:32:39 PM | blakindigo...Mediocrity is
never easy... by conspiracy | May 4th, 2009 05:34:22 PM | STAR TREK V - THE FINAL BALE by spud mcspud | May 4th, 2009 05:36:15 PM | Yea, Nurse Chapel Hated
Transformers.. by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:36:46 PM | Nom, Nom, Nom, Slurp! by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 05:36:48 PM | Let me just say this: by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester | May 4th, 2009 05:37:46 PM | Nice Ending, DirtyD by Cobbio | May 4th, 2009 05:38:33 PM | Spud.. by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:38:42 PM | The last time Chapel was
worried about a movie... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:41:56 PM | ....to her brain. by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:42:41 PM | All aboard the AICN circle
slurp! by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 05:45:12 PM | I hear you conspiracy by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 05:45:14 PM | The last time Nurse Chapel
slurped anything... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 05:54:57 PM | Wow... I can't understand all
the venom by TragicComic | May 4th, 2009 06:08:51 PM | MR. BEAKS...you are coming off
much more human lately. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 06:12:24 PM | I hear Nurse Chapel has a
secret crush... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 06:18:58 PM | DGDB...The power of Bale is
with you! by conspiracy | May 4th, 2009 06:22:15 PM | hehehe. Actually there is a
3rd vacancy at Hotel
Auschwitz... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 06:26:36 PM | Fa_Tass_DinoMolester by kwisatzhaderach | May 4th, 2009 06:47:54 PM | Tragic Comic = the dumb
masses, or just dumb shit by Professor_Monster | May 4th, 2009 06:53:19 PM | damn by slkboxrman | May 4th, 2009 06:55:20 PM | They READ previous episodes? by catlettuce4 | May 4th, 2009 06:57:35 PM | industry killer by slkboxrman | May 4th, 2009 06:58:40 PM | Fa_Tass_DinoMolester: Do you
make entertainment? by TragicComic | May 4th, 2009 07:00:29 PM | slkboxrman by spud mcspud | May 4th, 2009 07:03:00 PM | spud by slkboxrman | May 4th, 2009 07:05:01 PM | kwisatzhaderach, thanks! by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester | May 4th, 2009 07:05:52 PM | tragic by slkboxrman | May 4th, 2009 07:06:23 PM | Professor_Monster by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 07:06:40 PM | Yes,yes, yes, yes, yes- a
rebooted Khan? Yes, yes, yes,
yes, yes by NoHubris | May 4th, 2009 07:07:00 PM | TragicComic by spud mcspud | May 4th, 2009 07:10:27 PM | spud mcspud by Boborci | May 4th, 2009 07:10:30 PM | spud by slkboxrman | May 4th, 2009 07:14:48 PM | Do you make entertainment?
-- are you German? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 07:15:19 PM | This whole "Films are getting
dumber and dumber" argument... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 07:16:52 PM | Antonio Banderas IS Khan! by gotilk | May 4th, 2009 08:04:00 PM | Antonio Banderas IS a Tholian.
by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 08:05:08 PM | or maybe he's an Organian.. by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 08:07:59 PM | Jack Black for Harry Mudd by crankyoldguy | May 4th, 2009 08:24:13 PM | and based on the trailer...the
one dumb line... by crankyoldguy | May 4th, 2009 08:25:27 PM | boborci - You can think that - by Professor_Monster | May 4th, 2009 08:27:04 PM | Prof... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 08:37:08 PM | BOB - HAVE YOU CONSIDERED
GOING ON DANCING WITH THE
STARS? by BringingSexyBack | May 4th, 2009 08:39:41 PM | the trailer catchphrase
shouldve been "FASTEN YOUR
SEATBELTS" by supercowbell4therequestformore
cowbell | May 4th, 2009 08:57:38 PM | Summer of 1982 by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 09:40:17 PM | http://tinyurl.com/dfs3yj by DoctorZoidberg | May 4th, 2009 09:48:45 PM | http://tinyurl.com/dfs3yj by DoctorZoidberg | May 4th, 2009 09:49:40 PM | Thanks, DoctorZoidberg by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 09:49:51 PM | blakindigo, jus' doin by DoctorZoidberg | May 4th, 2009 09:58:35 PM | jus' doin' muh job..and
hitting the enter key
accidentally by DoctorZoidberg | May 4th, 2009 09:59:26 PM | Elisha Cuthbert as Nurse
Chapel! by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 10:23:57 PM | Gary Coleman as the King
Tribble. by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 10:26:31 PM | Anyway BobOrci— by blakindigo | May 4th, 2009 10:28:35 PM | I'm cool with Transformers... by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 10:32:05 PM | Yea, i'm out of here. by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 10:32:11 PM | Dr.DirtyD by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 10:35:44 PM | Nipples... by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 10:37:36 PM | I know, I know, AICN=assholes.
by Dr.DirtyD | May 4th, 2009 10:39:22 PM | Trelane had great fashion
sense. by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 10:39:43 PM | The NEW Enterprise voice for
the sequel... by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 11:05:01 PM | Spock - Uhura - Nurse Chapel
love triangle! by scriptgirl_nipples | May 4th, 2009 11:06:33 PM | Dr.DirtyD...Let me explain
something about mega Fox.. by conspiracy | May 4th, 2009 11:18:19 PM | blackindigo...dude you are
seriously on the by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:23:25 PM | Btw ...Francis Ford
Coppola=overrated and by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:27:15 PM | he could nt construct a story
to save his life.. by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:28:08 PM | Coppola is overrated. Yet
Cameron is God? Hahaha. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 11:32:39 PM | actually..i was being really
sarcastic, but then by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:40:42 PM | oh...but wait I see....you can
dish, but like all by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:42:26 PM | no, no you keep talking
dickhead, your by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:47:08 PM | You don't have the brain
capacity to process sarcasm... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 11:47:38 PM | though we do appear to have
found lil ol by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:49:22 PM | IESB McG comments abou T5
true? Help us out, AICN! by JuanSanchez | May 4th, 2009 11:51:31 PM | Ha ha ha....oh Danny you
really are too by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:52:34 PM | for the record i dont think
Coppola is overrated by southafricanguy | May 4th, 2009 11:54:51 PM | If I was so attention seeking
would I be on here at 10pm.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 11:55:34 PM | 10pm West Coast..... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 11:56:20 PM | And for the record, I have no
beef with South Africa.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 4th, 2009 11:57:18 PM | Terminator 5 time travels to
2011 - WTF!? by scriptgirl_nipples | May 5th, 2009 12:00:13 AM | And even if i did nt like
Coppola's movies by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:00:58 AM | I don't attack people for
disagreeing with me. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:02:27 AM | Danny...im not even going to
pretend to by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:03:14 AM | Which one? Smacking a big
sloppy pussy or fisting
Charlize? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:04:35 AM | really Danny ? please explain
when that by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:06:43 AM | How can you fuck in South
Africa? by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:07:44 AM | southafricanguy -- really? I
don't remember. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:09:25 AM | where have i just attacked
anyone personally? by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:14:53 AM | exactly dude....i dont know of
any instance by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:18:01 AM | but ok fair enough man...if
you re prepared to by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:19:30 AM | southafricanguy -- AMEN. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:26:44 AM | but seriously Danny, I was
being sarcastic by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:28:52 AM | Coppola is da bomb. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:31:53 AM | i have very broad tastes....I
like Cppola and by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:32:54 AM | 1985....not the age of 85. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:32:56 AM | I see what you're saying.... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:35:58 AM | well..yeah no director is
infallible, everyone by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:36:16 AM | I haven't seen One From The
Heart or Youth Without
Youth... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:38:51 AM | well thats the funny thing
dude, i dont like the by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:40:00 AM | Thats true. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 12:43:01 AM | ok dude....have a good one.
Later... by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 12:48:10 AM | So Jazz in Transformers 2
doesn't return. by scriptgirl_nipples | May 5th, 2009 01:04:28 AM | If talkbackers are such better
writers...? by CENOBITE | May 5th, 2009 01:26:57 AM | Kurtzman and Orci ARE
hacks...buuuuut... by Brians Life | May 5th, 2009 01:44:47 AM | CENOBITE was just told... by CENOBITE | May 5th, 2009 02:03:26 AM | Says it all by JumpinJehosaphat | May 5th, 2009 02:23:42 AM | slkboxrman by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 02:39:44 AM | "FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS" by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 02:42:19 AM | Why... by ErnestBorgNine | May 5th, 2009 02:56:34 AM | Asimov....hey dude hows it
going? Man you by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 03:28:33 AM | I'm seeing this Thursday 11am
UK time by kwisatzhaderach | May 5th, 2009 04:45:42 AM | No, you can't check out
COUNTDOWN if you're in UK by Mr Gorilla | May 5th, 2009 04:56:47 AM | KWIS...HEY DUDE...IM GONNA SEE
IT by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 05:35:21 AM | whothefuckcares....yeah its
been confirmed by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 05:39:18 AM | McG on Terminator 5 - WTF? by kwisatzhaderach | May 5th, 2009 06:03:07 AM | WTF indeed KWIS....that sounds
fkn awful by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 06:10:50 AM | southafricanguy by kwisatzhaderach | May 5th, 2009 06:16:59 AM | DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD meet
southafricanguy by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 07:08:27 AM | southafricanguy by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 07:16:08 AM | southafricanguy by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 07:19:35 AM | southafricanguy by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 07:22:09 AM | kwisatzhaderach by Harold The Great | May 5th, 2009 07:30:59 AM | I was wondering how the hacks
who wrote Transformers... by KillDozer | May 5th, 2009 08:48:27 AM | AsimovLives by BRIDGETFONDAS_CUNTCHEESE | May 5th, 2009 08:49:32 AM | BringingSexyBack, Re: Korean
actor playing Japanese Sulu by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 09:30:13 AM | T1-T2-T3 by Harold The Great | May 5th, 2009 09:39:59 AM | If that T5 story is true...
then T5 will be shit by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 10:03:56 AM | N'uff said! by upstate14445 | May 5th, 2009 10:18:36 AM | D.VADER - THAT'S AWFULLY
MAGNANIMOUS OF GEORGE TAKEI by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 11:11:05 AM | DGDB AND SOUTHAFRICANGUY ...
SITTING IN A TREE ... by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 11:14:05 AM | IN DEFENSE OF BOB ORCI by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 11:19:19 AM | Dom DeLouise died last night? by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 11:26:11 AM | Well George Takei is the
epitome of "magnanimous" by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 11:29:18 AM | BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 11:31:51 AM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 11:34:48 AM | Yo, D.vader don't joke about
death... by Dr.DirtyD | May 5th, 2009 11:40:03 AM | Asimov, I'm not saying no one
would have problems with it by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 11:45:47 AM | I'm certain canon could had
been respected by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 11:46:01 AM | I PREFER TO BELIEVE THAT
GEORGE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE
FUTURE by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 11:47:48 AM | ASIMOV by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 11:59:00 AM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:00:33 PM | I MEANT *WITHOUT* MEYER AND
RODDENBERRY by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 12:02:18 PM | BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:05:50 PM | Hikaru was a name concocted in
a spinoff novel by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 12:06:02 PM | FYI by Mr. Nice Gaius | May 5th, 2009 12:09:29 PM | The problem lies with you, I
suppose, Asimov by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 12:10:00 PM | well if Damon Lindelof helped.
count me in! by zooch | May 5th, 2009 12:11:25 PM | If true, that's too bad
Mr.NiceGaius by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 12:12:00 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:12:49 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:17:39 PM | And Memories Of Murder is one
great movie by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:19:22 PM | Asimov, here are the facts by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 12:24:10 PM | AsimovLives by Mr. Nice Gaius | May 5th, 2009 12:28:32 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:34:59 PM | Mr. Nice Gaius by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:41:33 PM | You're looking too far into
it, I think, Asimov by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 12:43:49 PM | It IS okay to have someone
represent a continent by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 12:46:46 PM | AsimovLives by Mr. Nice Gaius | May 5th, 2009 12:51:54 PM | BATMAN RESTORED TO GREATNESS
BECAUSE OF BALE by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 12:56:26 PM | KIRK REPRESENTS ALL WHITE
PEOPLE by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 12:58:57 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 12:59:48 PM | BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:00:55 PM | Mr. Nice Gaius by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:05:01 PM | GEORGE TAKEI'S A NICE GUY by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 01:05:07 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:09:29 PM | BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:13:16 PM | CHRONIC DIARRHEA IS WHAT YOU
GET FOR DENYING BALE by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 01:13:44 PM | Don't sweat MNG,
AsimovLives... by ErnestBorgNine | May 5th, 2009 01:16:01 PM | Wow by Lingerdog | May 5th, 2009 01:19:16 PM | BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:23:55 PM | ErnestBorgNine by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:25:30 PM | Is there a film where... by Dr.DirtyD | May 5th, 2009 01:26:50 PM | Dr.DirtyD by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:27:54 PM | Or Galaxy Quest, Dr.DirtyD... by ErnestBorgNine | May 5th, 2009 01:29:30 PM | But i woundn't be in too much
of a hurry.... by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:29:48 PM | Hayden Panettiere as Janice
Rand by scriptgirl_nipples | May 5th, 2009 01:30:04 PM | That meant for Contact by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:30:57 PM | JumpinJehosaphat by Dr.DirtyD | May 5th, 2009 01:34:23 PM | Look...I can't tell what any
of these fucks is supposed to
be.. by conspiracy | May 5th, 2009 01:41:38 PM | Dom Deluise=Fucking
Professional by conspiracy | May 5th, 2009 01:43:56 PM | conspiracy by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 01:46:35 PM | ErnestBorgNine by Mr. Nice Gaius | May 5th, 2009 01:55:48 PM | Should I watch this in digital
or celluloid? by _Maltheus_ | May 5th, 2009 02:31:19 PM | Maltheus by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 02:42:50 PM | Galaxy Quest would be
closer... by Dr.DirtyD | May 5th, 2009 03:35:48 PM | I've got high hopes for Trek
and for JJ's direction by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 03:39:07 PM | Khan by fiester | May 5th, 2009 03:39:38 PM | Asimov by D.Vader | May 5th, 2009 03:43:24 PM | Yeah, MNG... by ErnestBorgNine | May 5th, 2009 03:56:55 PM | Well, someone sure is
bitter... by Mr. Nice Gaius | May 5th, 2009 04:12:11 PM | No, I conceded, MNG. by ErnestBorgNine | May 5th, 2009 04:24:11 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 04:24:24 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 04:29:23 PM | D.Vader by AsimovLives | May 5th, 2009 04:35:15 PM | WE ARE ALL GAIUS' DEPUTIES by BringingSexyBack | May 5th, 2009 04:43:51 PM | BSB by Mr. Nice Gaius | May 5th, 2009 04:46:41 PM | MICHAEL BAY DENIS by COCKNASTY_BUTTSTANK | May 5th, 2009 04:50:23 PM | Howard Stern loves the film... by strosmer | May 5th, 2009 04:51:47 PM | Hey Asimov...firstly, yes it
was damn profess by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 08:31:52 PM | Bringingsexyback....lol dude.
Fair enough by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 08:37:34 PM | KWIS....I JUST REALLY HOPE MCG
IS by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 08:42:37 PM | Asimov...i hear ya about the
japanese/korean by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 08:46:48 PM | Oh...and Danny, to belatedly
answer your by southafricanguy | May 5th, 2009 08:55:43 PM | Gotcha. by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD | May 5th, 2009 10:01:51 PM | BringingSexyBack by AsimovLives | May 6th, 2009 01:58:46 AM | southafricanguy by AsimovLives | May 6th, 2009 02:09:05 AM | thank you Asimov...coming from
another by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 02:18:10 AM | and yeah their movies are
quite good, really by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 02:20:39 AM | but also gotta say
Asimov...Portugeuse by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 02:25:46 AM | southafricanguy by AsimovLives | May 6th, 2009 02:31:58 AM | southafricanguy - korean
movies by AsimovLives | May 6th, 2009 02:41:42 AM | Asimov....yeah you wont
believe the level of by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 06:43:33 AM | and everything you said about
the Koreans by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 06:47:53 AM | Asimov...what are your
favourite sci-fi movies? by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 06:49:03 AM | southafricanguy by AsimovLives | May 6th, 2009 07:07:04 AM | fair enough dude....personally
im a big trek by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 08:07:21 AM | Also love the original SW
trilogy, before Lucas by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 08:10:13 AM | but i do agree with
you...pickings have been by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 08:12:47 AM | my guilty pleasure is...wait
for it...Waterworld! by southafricanguy | May 6th, 2009 08:14:44 AM | Star Trek mission by spud mcspud | May 6th, 2009 12:37:22 PM | All of this wretched hatred
for this movie needs to stop. by Nicodemus07 | May 6th, 2009 02:03:19 PM | Saw it — by blakindigo | May 6th, 2009 03:19:36 PM | Nicodemus07 by AsimovLives | May 6th, 2009 04:34:33 PM | Asimov Lives by Nicodemus07 | May 6th, 2009 08:37:20 PM | Antonio Banderas for Khan! by DiamondJoe | May 7th, 2009 03:44:44 AM | Hmmm, let's call him Nero by kabong | May 8th, 2009 09:48:29 AM | Green Girl Secrets by unclebusu | May 8th, 2009 10:04:59 AM | Question about the prequel
book 'Countdown' by Arteska | May 8th, 2009 03:52:18 PM | Bardem has been mentioned for
Khan here before by Arteska | May 8th, 2009 03:55:06 PM | o yea by jack burton jr. | May 10th, 2009 11:40:04 PM | this movie was the boss! (
check this out) by jack burton jr. | May 10th, 2009 11:41:02 PM | They are hacks-look at their
track record by Kelg | May 11th, 2009 01:06:34 PM |
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