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Sweeps Is Here And Hercules Takes A Peek At The Ratings!!

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With sweeps sweeping along, finales flying in and NBC about to kick off network schedule announcements Monday, now’s a good time to take stock of the ratings. Figures are all for the 18-49 demo. For those who think this demo isn’t the most important to a show’s survival, I can only respond with “huh?” and encourage you to post in talkback the metrics you believe important in your magical mystery land of marmalade trees and cellophane skies. “The Amazing Race,” “The Apprentice” and “Family Guy,” all former “on the bubble” shows, are now top Sunday-night draws for CBS, NBC and Fox, respectively. All three have already been renewed for next season. SUNDAY 4.7 Desperate Housewives 3.4 Family Guy 3.1 The Amazing Race 3.1 Brothers & Sisters 3.0 Celebrity Apprentice 2.9 The Simpsons 2.8 Extreme Makeover: Home Edition 2.5 American Dad 2.2 Cold Case 2.0 The Unit 1.9 Sit Down, Shut Up 1.1 Dateline “Heroes,” which started the season as NBC’s top-rated show, has fallen so far so quickly its season finale lagged “SVU,” “The Office,” “The Apprentice” and “The Biggest Loser.” The much-hyped season finale of “Chuck” did better than “Medium” last week, a reverse of the usual. MONDAY 4.9 Two and a Half Men 4.6 House 4.3 Dancing With The Stars 3.9 Rules of Engagement 3.7 How I Met Your Mother 3.4 24 3.4 Big Bang Theory 3.3 CSI Miami 3.0 Heroes 2.4 Chuck 2.2 Medium 2.2 Surviving Suburbia 2.0 Castle 1.1 One Tree Hill 1.0 Gossip Girl “Idol” keeps losing viewers (it’s down to first-season levels) while “Fringe” has overtaken “The Mentalist” as the season’s top-rated new show. How crazy is it that “90210” is considered the CW’s breakout hit while “Cupid,” with nearly twice its ratings, is doomed? TUESDAY 8.1 American Idol 4.0 Fringe 3.7 The Mentalist 3.9 Law & Order: SVU 3.6 The Biggest Loser 3.3 Dancing With The Stars 2.5 Without A Trace 1.6 Cupid 1.0 According To Jim 0.9 90210 0.7 Reaper The Daniel-centric 100th episode of “Lost” kicked butt. The top-rated show Wednesday night was Barack Obama’s multichannel news conference, which garnered 28.8 million viewers (“Lie to Me,” its only major broadcast competition, drew 7.8 million; “Idol” pulled 22 million). WEDNESDAY 7.7 American Idol 4.1 Lost 3.5 NCIS 3.3 Criminal Minds 3.3 Dancing With The Stars 3.2 CSI: NY 2.3 Lie To Me 2.2 Law & Order 1.8 America’s Next Top Model 1.5 The Unusuals “The Office” is now beating “CSI”?? And “Earl” continues to hobble “Parks & Recreation” with its weak lead-in?? “Parks,” which is almost the same show as “The Office,” would benefit mightily (as would NBC) if the network moved “30 Rock” to 8 p.m. and let “Parks” follow “The Office” next season. THURSDAY 5.9 Grey’s Anatomy 3.7 The Office 3.6 CSI 3.6 Survivor 3.5 Private Practice 2.9 30 Rock 2.8 Hell’s Kitchen 2.4 Criminal Minds (repeat) 2.3 Parks and Recreation 2.2 Bones 2.2 My Name Is Earl 2.1 Southland 2.0 Ugly Betty 1.4 Smallville 1.3 Supernatural Brett Ratner’s “Prison Break” is doing far worse than “Terminator,” and dragged Joss Whedon’s “Dollhouse” to a new series low. Hopefully this Friday’s Alpha-centric season finale, “Omega,” written and directed by Tim Minear, will jolt “Dollhouse” up a bit. I watched “Omega” last night and I’m here to tell you it is funny, crazy and, as Paris Hilton might point out, huuuuuuuuuuge. FRIDAY 2.3 Ghost Whisperer 2.2 Numb3rs 2.1 Flashpoint 1.8 20/20 1.6 Supernanny 1.5 Dateline 1.4 Wife Swap 1.1 Dollhouse 1.0 Prison Break 0.9 Howie Do It If you care to read Hercules' very RARE posts on Twitter, head here.

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  • May 3, 2009, 6:11 p.m. CST


    by buffywrestling

    You saw 'Omega'!!

  • May 3, 2009, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Great to see THE AMAZING RACE...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    getting all the attention it deserves. I've seen every season, and it never gets old. Love it!

  • May 3, 2009, 6:13 p.m. CST

    As a Brit, this means shit to me

    by Nice Mr Death

    Just tell me Supernatural is safe because it's awesomeness makes me hard.

  • May 3, 2009, 6:33 p.m. CST

    As A Brit...

    by Jobes War

    You can suck it

  • May 3, 2009, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Beggars belief that SUPERNATURAL is low-rated

    by palimpsest

    That's a show which consistently delivers. Even in the UK we can see that.

  • May 3, 2009, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Supernatural's low ratings

    by Jarek

    They are on a lower impact cable network than most of the other shows listed. Those ratings are actually pretty good for the CW.

  • May 3, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    SUPERNATURAL fans, join us in The Zone!!!

    by Shermdawg

  • May 3, 2009, 6:49 p.m. CST

    This stupid country!

    by Raymar

  • May 3, 2009, 6:50 p.m. CST

    That's Huge

    by Joelseph01

    Nice to see Herc is a regular Stern fan.

  • May 3, 2009, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Herc, why do you hate Earl so much?

    by Shivv

    I don't watch it myself, but the parts I have seen are actually pretty funny. You seem to have a borderline irrational hate for it that perplexes me a little bit. <p>As for it being a weak lead-in, shouldn't a show that is as good as you seem to think it is thrive in spite of it's lead-in show? If Parks and Recreation is going to succeed, it should be able to stand on it's own feet. The days of slapping a crappy show after a Goliath like Seinfeld have passed.

  • May 3, 2009, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by tehgreekhammer

    Fucking Rocks. I really hope it gets picked up again and moved to a better night.

  • May 3, 2009, 7:34 p.m. CST

    The Apprentice gets a 3, The Unit gets a 2

    by TheSeeker7

    WTF is wrong with this world?!?!?!

  • May 3, 2009, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The last Dollhouse...

    by nalapou

    was amazing. I most want a Dollhouse pickup now that Chuck is most likely back. And maybe the fucking retards at FOX will put it after Idol like they did with House (huge), Bones (strong), Fringe (huge) and Lie To Me (developing)... dumbasses. After that I'd like more Reaper, but will settle for more Sock on any other show... fuck that guy is hilarious. And maybe a Missy Peregrym return to Heroes, to make that show suck less again.

  • May 3, 2009, 7:38 p.m. CST

    The CW is for teenage girls for 99% of its shows..

    by RobThy

    Quit bitching about how unfair it is for better shows to be more popular in the medias eyes and more advertised by the CW. When your main adverts are in Teen mags you get more viewers from thin sluts in fancy close then you do demons and angels...

  • May 3, 2009, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Other data gathering techinques

    by buffywrestling

    is not going to have the info that Neilson collects like age, race, income, number of people in the household, etc. It is entirely specific and is unlike, let's say Hulu, which can count the number of downloads but not the advertising target market that downloads them. Until they do, Nielson is the only game in town. And CCon, the 18-49 demo spends the most advertising dollars, that it is why it is the most important. That is not going to change either.

  • May 3, 2009, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by HoweHatTrick

    I thought it was UPN. The Apprentice can suck Bea Arthur's dick. Yep, too soon. Good night!

  • May 3, 2009, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by buffywrestling

    has a lower veiwing market than the networks, therefore it will never see the same demos or viewship as the shows on the other big four. That is why what seems to be a low demo is actually doing quite well.

  • May 3, 2009, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Kings didn't even make the ratings?

    by chimpjnr

    Dateline trumped what was sold as NBC's best show in years? What gives?

  • May 3, 2009, 7:49 p.m. CST

    jobes war, as a brit it matters

    by aestheticity

    if you watch any current American shows. If for example you like Supernatural, or Fringe, or the Office. If they underperform they get cancelled end a shitty ending. And if you don't watch any American shows, then why are you clicking through to an article about American show ratings...

  • I mean, what does it really mean? Gossip Girl scores the lowest, but the main cast were on the cover of Rolling Stone a couple of months ago. In this age of DVR, who gives a shit about ratings (other than the advertisers of course)? I say privatize TV (along with airlines) and let people watch what they actually enjoy. Long love Reaper, Chuck, and all the other good shows that get canned in favor of reality TV garbage,

  • May 3, 2009, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I can't believe

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    the ratings those reality shows get<p> It's obscene

  • May 3, 2009, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Joss Whedon and Low are pretty common these

    by lockesbrokenleg


  • May 3, 2009, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Reality Shows are killing television!!1!!!

    by LeeMajors

    They're the junk-food of the TV world. The Idol ratings are so insane. And the networks are laughing all the way to bank because reality shows are usually cheaper to produce than scripted television. But for every slot one of them takes up in the schedule, that's one less slot for TTSCC, Dollhouse, or the next cool scripted show.

  • May 3, 2009, 8:44 p.m. CST

    NCIS is on Tuesday, not Wednesday.

    by F-18

    Yeah...I watch it. So what?

  • May 3, 2009, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell


  • May 3, 2009, 8:50 p.m. CST

    American Dad is a disgrace to...well anything

    by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell

    god that show is fucking awful its like leftover jokes from current family guy episodes, and that show is on super autopilot these days, so thats not good.

  • May 3, 2009, 8:51 p.m. CST

    16-35 females

    by punto

    sizes 0-3, bi-curious is a plus. That's the more important demographic.

  • May 3, 2009, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Sit Down, Shut Up isn't funny

    by F-18

    I watched my first episode and didn't even chuckle once.

  • ABC has higher expectations for ratings than the CW.<p>That said, 90210 got a 0.9? And it is being considered a "breakout hit"? Maybe from its Fall ratings but no way anyone not on crack thinks that looking at that number. Remind me again what Veronica Mars averaged? Yeah, good move CW. How's it feel to be as clueless as NBC?

  • May 3, 2009, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by scnjedi

    Would be better placed after Fringe. Then maybe ratings would be better.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:11 p.m. CST

    "...with nearly twice its ratings, is doomed?

    by jim

    Is the last of that quote. Stupid cutoff that doesn't cut off until it does.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    P.S. It is now May 3rd, Wolverine opened 2 days ago

    by jim

    Can we please get rid of that really annoying pop-up ad? <br>(Like anyone here really needed to be reminded there was a Wolverine movie coming out, and when it opened)

  • May 3, 2009, 9:14 p.m. CST

    FOX sucks right now

    by lockesbrokenleg

    They just don't promote anything except for Simpsons.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:19 p.m. CST

    No offense sherm

    by FrodoFraggins

    But discussing supernatural in this thread isn't going Off Topic. And frankly I'm only interested in quickly reading and posting in talkbacks on AICN, not forums and such.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I started watching Supernatural...

    by ghost_matt

    ...based on everybody here raving about it. And my fiance already has the first 2 seasons on dvd. So far it's okay, but it has a "been there, done that" feel. But I heard that it gets better later, so I keep watching, but it's going slow. I also don't like how they're like "let's go hunt some ghosts" and then they open the trunk and pull out guns. Does it really get that much better?

  • May 3, 2009, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Question on nielsens and cable

    by FrodoFraggins

    Why in the world don't the cable provide a replacement for the the nielsens. All they need to is to replace the set top boxes with those that are capable of tracking the viewers choices. Assuming the viewers have to opt in to have their info added.<br><br> The nielsen's are a rather archaic means of recording information. Why take a poll of a fraction of viewers when you can poll a much huger percentage?

  • Sure, its all Prison Break's fault. Nothing to do with a certain furry mutant's new movie opening that night. <p>CBS's 3 shows that night were the top 3. Is it possible that people who watch The Ghost Whisperer fall asleep during the show and wake up in the middle of the 11:00 news?

  • May 3, 2009, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Dollhouse was shit from the word go

    by lockesbrokenleg

    The cast and crew look like they want to strangle each other every time I watch an episode.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by FrodoFraggins

    My guess is that a majority of viewers want to be counted when it comes to primetime tv. All that needs to be done to have cable providers replace nielsons is to allow each household member to "log in" when they start viewing using a personal code or some such. Regardless, theres no reason why the cable companies can't attempt to displace the neilsens.<br><br> Actually, on second thought I have to assume the nielsens exist because the networks feel they can't trust any numbers provided by content providers directly. Since the ratings determine ad revenue. But that's too bad as the nielsens have always had issues regarding how accurate they truly are, especially when it comes to group viewings and capturing campus and bar viewings.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Sweeps doesn't make sense anymore

    by lockesbrokenleg

    Get rid of it. It makes more sense to look at the ratings from the entire season rather than a few months a year. BS

  • May 3, 2009, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Did Lost really get a 4.1? I suspect ABC's numbers

    by jim

    are inaccurate because their 8:00 & 9:00 shows run long. That way, at 9:00 they have viewers tuning in for the 9:00 show as well as the viewers who are still watching the final minutes of the 8:00 show that has run long. And then it happens again at 10:00. Or do they track numbers throughout the hour and not just at the hour and half-hour mark? <p>Either way, that's some pretty low ratings The Unusuals is getting. Too bad. It's a much better show than the advertising led us to believe and has improved from its pilot.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:49 p.m. CST


    by Arguendo

    ... but who is to say that the demo's are any different if you use cable companies? Sure they would be more accurate, but you still have the same issues that you have with Nielsen's (including a failure to capture campus and bar viewings appropriately). <br><br> In fact, it's not really that they are ineffectively capturing viewership on television as much as it is that they are not capturing other forms of viewership (e.g., internet). <br><br> ... and that said, advertisers haven't figured out whether or not internet advertising is really worth it (yes, I know some of you can spit out studies, etc. -- sorry it doesn't matter what you think...). There's a lot of bitching and whining about networks not recognizing good shows, but remember it's all about the number of eyes you can get -- quality is irrelevant. What is being announced in the upcoming weeks is the network upfronts. Does everyone know what that means and why networks do this? They do this so advertisers can bid on the shows they want to advertise on, not for you, dear viewers.

  • May 3, 2009, 9:54 p.m. CST

    The Ratings Game

    by Arguendo

    ... and not to spoil AICN, but if you're interested in a somewhat more meaningful analysis of ratings, here you go:

  • May 3, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    I'm just trying to help others avoid problems in the future, and yes, if you go too far with the discussion, more than likely, they'll be a problem.....regardless if the show was mentioned in the story or not. <br><br> But still, if you ever change your mind, you're always welcome.

  • May 3, 2009, 10:10 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Leno killed the NBC Head.

    by mjgtexas

    Being forced to put that turd on five nights a week would give me an aneurysm too. Good thing Jamie Tarses was smart enough to leave when she did.

  • May 3, 2009, 10:13 p.m. CST

    what all the ratings show is

    by bacci40

    people are either not watching tv anymore, or finding other ways to view shows<P> and its mostly the latter<P> and i have a suggestion for idol...dump paula abdul and grab amanda holden...her chemistry with simon is much better, she isnt a train wreck like paula, and there is always a chance that she will committ adultery...which is a plus<P> as for the rest of network is all rubbish

  • May 3, 2009, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Big Jim...the ratings for lost are correct

    by bacci40

    basically, because the majority of lost fans do not watch the show when abc tells them to

  • May 3, 2009, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I think it's kind of disturbing that more people watch

    by smackfu

    2 and a half men than 24.

  • May 3, 2009, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Why isn't Sit Down Shut Up doing well!...

    by DanielKurland

    It's fucking hilarious. But then again, I'm into meta stuff...This better not be cancelled immediately.

  • May 3, 2009, 10:50 p.m. CST

    I read some time ago...

    by mrfan

    in a nice EW article that Supernatural will probably end after the 5th season. I don't know what issue. They want to end it on a high note.

  • May 3, 2009, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ Friday is a wasteland...

    by BadMrWonka

    so glad Earl is cancelled. Fuck Xenu!!

  • May 3, 2009, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Ghost_Matt and mrfan

    by Arkillo

    @Ghost_Matt: I assure you it get's better, man. I don't know how far you've gotten if you've been watching the DVD's from the beginning, but in my opinion Season 1 of Supernatural was a mixed bag. I think they were really trying to figure the tone of the show out and how exactly they were going to tell the stories they wanted to tell. IMO, things really start to pick up at the end of Season 1, but really start to rip ass in Season 2. Season 3 has been the strongest for my tastes, and Season 4 has continued the trend. The mythology of the show is solid and the acting improves by leaps and bounds episode to episode and season to season. Hang in there, if the rocking hasn't started yet, it will soon...................... @mrfan: Yeah, I read a few things about that as well. From the start the creator had a complete story in mind from start to finish and that story ends with Season 5. He doesn't want to go beyond that, because he wants to end on a high note, as you said, and because any further story would feel inorganic and tacked on.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:27 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry but Parks and Recreation SUCKS.

    by Cotton McKnight

    It's just awful. And usually I like Amy Poehler, going as far back as the Conan O'Brian days. And how can you not like Rashida Jones? But it's just an awful show.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Parks and Recreation does suck

    by xsi kal

    Horrible show. All the uncomfortableness of the Office, without any of the humor.

  • Maybe people don't want to watch Dollhouse, ever thought of that? Try not to be delusional about how many people love Whedon, because it clearly isn't enough to draw a consistent successful audience. *cough* Serenity *cough* But it isn't his fault, right? No, it's everybody else. Sure. Gotcha.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Ads: Use Firefox

    by Toonol

    and get the adblock extension. I don't understand why anybody cripples themselves with Internet Explorer. Popup Wolverine ads with sound? That would drive me crazy.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:58 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    NoScript works, too. The new IE isn't so bad, to be fair. But I'm still with Firefox all the way.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:34 a.m. CST

    What happened to CSI? Grissom left - that's what.

    by JuanSanchez

    What man would want you now?

  • May 4, 2009, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Prison Break was cancelled anyway

    by V'Shael

    I just hope that they look at how bad Friday nights is for genre programming, renew Terminator, and keep it away from Friday nights.

  • May 4, 2009, 4:18 a.m. CST


    by darthkat76

    I'm glad to see Fringe doing so well. I want to see a 2nd season.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:58 a.m. CST

    M-O-O-N. That spells "more Whedon apologist bullshit from Herc"

    by TomCullen

    Nothing is dragging down Dollhouse's rating other than Dollhouse itself being a pit of putrid mediocrity. This isn't another "Fox fucked over Firefly" going on here, Fox has been more than generous with what is, frankly, not just an unpopular show, but an extremely unoriginal and mediocre (on its best days) one as well. Dollshouse isn't worth the budget, timeslot, or talent involved, and is just an absolutely worthless dud of a show. And the fact that even most of the hardcore Whedonites that still do watch it are only doing so out of some sort of misguided loyalty to Whedon, and not because it's actually, you know, in any way good, something that most will even admit to, pretty much proves my point.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Jeez Indy looks terrible

    by Bass Ackwards

    What a sad likeness that Indy 4 toy being advertised on the site has. Yikes.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Idol gets 7.7? That's bananas.

    by Yeti

    One mans garbage is another countries pearls I guess. Good taste is dead.

  • May 4, 2009, 6:31 a.m. CST


    by mraig

    Hey, remember when all those Enterprise fans were so upset about that show being canceled that they tried to get together and raise enough money to produce the show themselves? Wouldn't that have been nuts? <P> Anyway, as far as TV ratings and shows getting canceled goes, lets hope us geeks who've been leading the way downloading and DVRing and not watching commercials for the past ten years aren't just shooting ourselves in the foot. <P>The whole "TV is free because you have to watch the commercials in between" model is dying. "Good" ratings now would have been shit ratings ten years ago, and it's a trend that's been going on since "I Love Lucy". The old model will be replaced by content over the internet, which'll be financed with banners and commercials or whatever--but will that kind of financing be enough to justify big budgets? <P> The amount of choice that there is on the internet means that everything will be infinitely fragmented--it'll be impossible for most shows to get the really big numbers that major TV networks can and could. Does this mean that big-budget shows like "Lost" will be impossible in the future, replaced by the equivalent of a million cheap YouTube videos? Hmmm....

  • May 4, 2009, 7:02 a.m. CST


    by God's Brother

    18-49 is a pretty huge group... is that really a demographic they've isolated? "Ratings are in, boys..." "How're we doing with ALMOST EVERYBODY?"

  • May 4, 2009, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Thanks, Herc. It's helpful to see the bottom-line numbers for shows. Frankly, I'm amazed "Fringe" is doing as well as it is, since I'm sort of their target audience, and I absolutely can't stand it. But that's just me.<p> I agree that the most recent episode of "Dollhouse" was excellent. Man, there's so much potential for intense, emotionally engaging storylines there. I really hope it gets a second season. It and "Supernatural" are the only shows on tv I watch consistently.

  • May 4, 2009, 7:22 a.m. CST

    I don't know anything....but

    by ZoeFan

    Dollhouse will get renewed. However, it will be back in that awful Friday slot. While the number by itself is not good, compared to the other shows, it's not exactly getting blitzed. Especially the bottom rung of shows for the rest of the week compared to the top of the rung of shows. Take Wednesday, ANTM is a popular show, yet it's getting a 1.8 compared to AI getting a 7.7. And that's the same demographic.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Parks: good idea, bad execution

    by Beezbo

    I am a government worker and liked the idea of an "Office"-type show about small government, but this show just doesn't work for me. It feels forced and too small to actually care about. A show about building a park? Yawn.

  • May 4, 2009, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Bring Back Terminator!

    by johnnyangelheart


  • May 4, 2009, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Why the Dollhouse hate?

    by johnnyangelheart

    It's not the greatest show in the history of TV, or even the greatest show in the history of Whedon. BUT it is trying to be original and it is trying to say something. So why not give it a chance? Or do you just want the 99th procedural cop show or the 199th reality show?

  • May 4, 2009, 10:13 a.m. CST

    How much PAYOLA do AICN reviewers get?

    by kabong

    Or are they employed in the network and studio marketing departments?

  • May 4, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Did "Sit Down And Shut Up" get better?


    I watched half of the first episode and gave up because it didn't make me laugh. But then I laugh at "Family Guy" and "Eastbound And Down" so perhaps my sense of humor is strange.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:21 a.m. CST

    The last two Dollhouses have actually been good...

    by allykatD

    They've been focusing more on Ballard (who I find way more interesting than Echo) ...and Briar Rose was very good. Loved Alan Tudyk (sp) as Alpha. I'm actually looking forward to Friday's show, whereas usually I'm like 'meh'. I record it and watch it on Sunday when there's nothing else on. Oh... and yay for Chuck. Too bad about T:SCC. Well written and well acted show, they managed the balance and action and drama well.

  • May 4, 2009, 10:51 a.m. CST

    As a Brit,

    by The_Red_Avenger

    One thing I never understand with these ratings is that they are about as accurate as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. So why does anybody pay attention to them? I take it they only take into consideration houses with Nielsen boxes and only those who watch live tv, therefore any recording device or on-line watching does not register in the slightest and since thats how most people watch their TV then they can't be justified. In the UK - there are about 5 different ways to watch TV - Sky+ (which has a hard drive, which means you can watch TV when you want, how you want [this is our preferred method]) or BT Vision which again has a hard drive but deals more on an "On Demand" system, Virgin Cable - again uses On-Demand but there's an option for a recordable hard drive, and Freeview which has all the digital channels , but again you can buy a card which allows you to record programs and finally a plain old recorder whether it be VHS, DVD-R or a Hard Drive recorder. I very much doubt there are that many people in the UK who actually watch TV "live" unless it's a significant live event like a major sports match or news item. You can't tell me that the USA does not have something similar - I know there is TiVo (similar to Sky+) but this business of lead in shows to big shows affecting the rating has to be old fashioned now. Why does it depend what night it is on? Oh No - "Fringe has moved to Friday nights it's Dooooomed!" "Yay - Lost is on a Wednesday - it's safe." Does anybody not record their favourite shows? Not only that - you've gone one better and all shows are avaliable on-line. Something the UK is working with and the BBC seem to be ahead of their game with the i-player but it's a still got a way to go - You can watch any major programme, any time you like on-line - so why watch it live? The whole thing has to be shook up as Genre shows which I guess have a much bigger viewing audience than the "lowest common denominator brain-fart that is American Idol" Otherwise stuff that you can have on in the background is only going to dominate TV for years to come than stuff you actually pay attention to. ... RA

  • May 4, 2009, 10:53 a.m. CST

    WTF! Heroes is horrible...

    by spiceybiscuit

    and yet they don't know if they are going to renew Life???? Shit bag NBC...I ranted on another talk back so I won't rehash but really people...1/2 these shows suck major greasy balls on NBC.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:06 a.m. CST

    American Dad is the best show on Sundays now.

    by hst666

    I am surprised FG is still getting all the love as that show has become pretty stale

  • May 4, 2009, 11:19 a.m. CST

    one legged man in an arse kicking contest

    by ME_M

    Assuming the one-legged man is doing a Karate Kid style arse kicking, and the producers can find decent writers to build a story around it, I think The_Red_Avenger has thrown out the next great TV idea.

  • May 4, 2009, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by turketron_2

    No, your sense of humor is fine. I watched Eastbound and Down after hearing good word of mouth and thoroughly enjoyed it. I've watched Family Guy since it first started... hated some episodes after it returned, and have since caught a few of the newer episodes on Adult Swim and laughed my ass off. Saw the episode last night where Peter is obsessed with that fucking SURFING BIRD song and practically lost my shit, especially when he practically has a seizure at one point while performing the song in his kitchen. HAVE YOU HEARD?

  • May 4, 2009, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Weapon XI in a pussy eating contest

    by turketron_2


  • ...just shooting ourselves in the foot."<p>I see more commercial thanks to my VCR and DVR than I ever see live. Sure, I'm fast-forwarding through them but if something catches my eye I rewind to watch. Also, even on fast-forward I still see the commercial, albeit a compressed version of flashing images without audio. But it is better than nothing, which is how much of commercials I see when I watch TV "live". Once the show goes to commercial I switch to something else (usually sports) and flip back and forth every couple of minutes until the show comes back on.

  • Correct me if I am wrong, but Earl had better ratings when Kath and Kim was following it than Parks and Recreation.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Dollhouse failure may be TSCC's savior

    by Rob0729

    It seems clear that Dollhouse's ratings were inflated by TSCC's lead in. TSCC had decent numbers when it was on Mondays. It may be enough to save the show since it looks to have a bit of a following, but probably unlikely.

  • May 4, 2009, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Dollhouse and Terminator

    by JayDiggler

    I love Fringe and I'm happy with its success but I'm still pissed that it took Dollhouse's original time slot. Dollhouse is a great show and it keeps getting better, I hope they give it one more season and hopefully a better timeslot. Also, word is that Terminator is 99.9% canceled, that series finale was awesome though.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Two and a Half Men

    by jccalhoun

    who in the hell watches that show? I don't know anyone that watches it.

  • May 4, 2009, 2:48 p.m. CST

    If Fox cancel Terminator, it proves they are fuckers

    by V'Shael

    Moving the show to Fridays was bad enough. They just don't know how to sell a fucking Sci Fi show.

  • May 4, 2009, 3 p.m. CST

    Herc, Where's the Ghost Whisperer Talkback?

    by Stabby

  • May 4, 2009, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I like Dollhouse alot, Herc's just being stupid

    by TallBoy66

    He CONSTANTLY blames the poor ratings on it's lead in, thinking that people would love the show but they're just so disgusted by the preceding show that (in his mind) they turn off the TV angrily and sit in the dark and don't watch Whedon television. The simple fact of the matter is, the lead-in show isn't killing Dollhouse, it isn't getting enough viewers period. It's not Terminator or Prison Break's fault, two shows that Herc rags on constantly. I watched the pilot and was mildly interested, and didn't watch the show again for months (had me some other teevee to watch). The past few days I've watched Dollhouse ep. 2-6 and I've dug it a lot. That's just how I watch 80% of my shows. In chunks. The only stuff I watch week to week is 24 and Lost.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I'm somewhat amazed that Fringe is doing well

    by _Maltheus_

    So many shows I loved this year have either been canceled or are on the bubble. And I don't usually give up on shows, such as Dollhouse, which aren't great but watchable enough. Fringe, however, was one of those rare shows that seem initially like a me kind of show, but I gave up on without ever looking back. It was just boring. And of course, that's the show that's now doing well??? I mean, it's doing as well as Lost??? How the fuck can that be? I've heard of people who watch Idol, but I've never heard anyone talking about Fringe (cept for a few posts here). I just don't get it. Still hoping for a Terminator renewal however.

  • May 4, 2009, 3:37 p.m. CST


    by Rob0729

    It's funny, most of the people I know watch that show. I guess we run in different crowds. I Tivo it and usually watch it, but it definitely isn't the first thing viewed on my Tivo

  • May 4, 2009, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Amazing Race

    by I am not a number

    The only reality show I like. Glad to see it coming back, though I hate that deaf kid on this season. Very annoying.

  • May 4, 2009, 5 p.m. CST

    Parks & Rec not Earl's fault

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It's just not that good. I still watch Earl off the Tivo before Parks & Rec despite it's slumping. What's with the constant random zoom-ins? The Office isn't nearly as skitzo with that, it's really distracting and I don't "get it" (is it supposed to simulate that intern cameramen are worse than office documentary cameramen?). The show has potential, but for now Amy is too much a female SNL parody of Michael Scott and the side characters need to develop more.

  • May 4, 2009, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Is it likely Fox will cut THREE hour-longs from it's sked?

    by TallBoy66

    Prison Break is 100% over, final episodes airing now. That leaves Dollhouse and Terminator as likely to get the axe. That's 3 hour longs just instantly gone. You really think that Fox will hack up their schedule that badly for untested new product? I'm assuming at least either Dollhouse or Terminator will survive. (If I was betting, I'd take Dollhouse if only because Terminator had 2 seasons already and Dollhouse has only had one)

  • May 4, 2009, 5:11 p.m. CST

    30 ROCK in the crapper; time to flush

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Nobody cares. Tina Fey's 15 seconds expired after the Palin impersonation turned stale (and she cruises on artificial intelligence, not to be confused with impartial, Wilde-type wit). NBC tried to shove Fey up the public's ass with magazine covers, et al. Guess what? The public ain't buyin' (neither the magazines nor 30 ROCK). Cro-Magnon butthole Alec Baldwin (Father of the Year) is a familiar face to anyone forced to watch airline movies; NBC rolls their eyes when this chimp resigns himself to ad-libbing interviews("Who cares about EARL?" Evidently, a lot more viewers than your flea circus can draw, fat boy).

  • May 4, 2009, 5:42 p.m. CST

    whatever Fey's selling I'm buying

    by jccalhoun

    I'd watch Fey in pretty much anything...

  • Why not? They only need to fill 2 hours a night. A lot of their Tuesday & Wednesday schedule is filler for when AI isn't on. They have Fringe and Lie to Me (is that coming back?), House, Bones, and 24 (after Christmas). They'll try a few half-hour sticoms in the Fall to see it any stick, plus I think they still have a couple of new Spring shows yet to tested. <p>I seriously doubt any of Fox's tv department heads are losing sleep over having to replace those 3 shows. If anything, Reality, Drama, Comedy, and News all have a half-dozen replacements each lined up to take their place.

  • May 4, 2009, 11:01 p.m. CST

    This is the only time Supernatural gets mentioned

    by california_mtz

    ...when Herc shows that it's last place in the ratings. I don't care, it's still the best show on T.V. <p>And the Zone sucks. I can't figure it out, it's not intuitive or linear like the regular talkbacks. And even though it harkens to AICN, it doesn't seem like it uses the same username and password.

  • May 5, 2009, 12:30 a.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    I know advertisers need some measure of viewership, but how far off are we from a major changing of the guard? I watch 10 times as many shows online or on DVD as I do using a TV. I don't think that is the norm, but I'd say that neither is total reliance on local airwaves. Not these days.

  • May 5, 2009, 8:14 a.m. CST

    "Prison Break [...]dragged Dollhouse to a new series low"

    by ulcer

    .. in a magical world of marmalade trees where viewers are half-asleep dumb couch potatoes who are 'tricked' into watching shows instead of making actual choices.

  • May 5, 2009, 8:16 a.m. CST

    infuriating ads

    by ulcer

    so what, I'm suposed to install an ad block in Firefox and cut off the air supply of all the sites I visit just to get rid of this totally irresponsible Wolverine ad on this f'ing web site? <br>Who are the idiots running these ads that don't know that this ad is not working, just angering people! I don't need to see the damn thing on every page refrehs!!!!!

  • May 5, 2009, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Good TSCC Plug on CNN

    by _Maltheus_

  • May 5, 2009, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Why even count Internet and DVR viewings?

    by FrodoFraggins

    The whole point of ratings is to sell ad time. People that watch using DVR's aren't watching the commercials thus they technically are worthless to advertisers.<br><br> Internet viewings are only useful in setting advertisement rates for online viewing.<br><br> Once the content providers get smart, they'll come up with a subscription plan for their content that isn't more expensive for getting a season of streamed episodes than it is to buy the DVD's of those episodes. They could atleast provide coupons for $ off the DVDs they purchase later.<br><br>

  • May 6, 2009, 2:46 a.m. CST


    by BlackJackBauer

    at least one of the best. its a fucking shame that none of you nerds watch it. it is a show BUILT for you fucking nerds. i mean shit it aint xfiles, but what is? but its easily one of the best shows. go get the dvds, u will love it.