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Capone finds X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE an exercise in working really hard to be whole-heartedly average!!!
Hey, folks. Capone in Chicago here.
It pains me to report that the first official film of the summer movie season doesn't even quite reach the level of so-so. Somehow actor Hugh Jackman, director Gavin Hood, and whoever else stepped in with the intention of making Wolverine a better, more exciting work, have instead created a film that is a patchwork plot populated by characters that we never get to know or care about. Remember when Wolverine was arguably the most interesting character in any of the X-Men film? I'm not sure what happened to that dude. What this film consists of is character after character trying to out-badass each other by looking meaner or dressing cooler than the next guy. The Black Eyed Peas' Will.I.Am in cowboy attire was more than I could take.
But let's put aside for a second the fact that many of these characters don't even belong in the same movie together because they never existed in the same timeframe in the comic books. Let's just look at what is here as a stand-alone piece. We begin in 1845, young Logan and young Victor (the boy who would grow up to be Sabertooth) were brothers. There's a strange and seemingly unnecessary sequence in which Logan is sick and the man he believes to be his father is trying to nurse him back to health. Then he finds out a different man is his father. If someone can explain why this is important, you're a better geek than me. Logan and Victor grow up together, and because they both possess incredibly healing powers, the aging process makes it appear that they never grow old; they do, they just grow old in very slow motion. Despite their being Canadians, they fight in the U.S. Civil War, both World Wars, and the Vietnam War, and it's clear that Victor (played as a savage adult by Liev Schreiber, one of the film's few genuine highlights) is evolving into a blood-thirsty animal, while Logan must work increasingly hard to keep Victor from entering into some kind of berserker rage.
The origin story shows the two men get work from a super-secret branch of the U.S. military that apparently has no rules. Other mutants are on the team, including Ryan Reynolds as the wisecracking Deadpool, maybe the only really interesting supporting character of the bunch, and naturally he's on screen maybe 10 minutes. But stay tuned until after the end credits why Reynolds might take such a small role in Wolverine. I was also kind of digging Kevin Durand as The Blob, but again, the guy barely registers in the plot. The twisted mastermind behind the team, and the eventual changes he offers Logan in order to get revenge on Victor for killing his girlfriend, is General William Stryker (Danny Huston, and played in later X-Men films by Brian Cox). He provides Logan the chance to become virtually indestructible by lacing his skeletal system with an impossible-to-destroy metal. Eventually the newly dubbed Wolverine goes against Sabertooth, and they claw the shit out of each other.
One of the problems I have with Wolverine is that it doesn't properly align itself with the first X-Men movie. Does it take place 10 years earlier? Fifteen or 20? The presence of a teenage Cyclops in the film, as well as an ill-placed cameo (that actually might make some people laugh) indicates a certain timeframe. But the equipment all looks so modern that even that assumption might be way off. One of the biggest disappointments of the film was Taylor Kitsch's portrayal of fan favorite Gambit. His Cajun accent is weak, and something about Gambit's power (to energize inanimate objects — including his favorite: a deck of cards) doesn't translate particularly well to film. He's throwing playing cards, for god's sake, and sometimes they go boom. Not much to it, really.
Part of the film's problem is that this doesn't really capture Wolverine at a particularly interesting time in his long life. That may seem like a ridiculous statement, but watching a character go from being ambivalent about his work to ambivalent with a side of moral conscience isn't that interesting, and Jackman doesn't seem that interested in acting as he does flexing his muscles and showing off his ass. Far more compelling is Schreiber, who is allowed to fully embrace his darkest elements and animal ferocity. I had a real blast watching him growing increasingly frustrated with having to hold back on military missions to being allowed to cut loose and kill innocents just to make a point.
The relationship between the brothers Logan and Vincent is meant to be the core element of this tale, but basically what happens when they're in a scene together is Wolverine yelling, "Victooooor!!!" and then Sabertooth snarls and jumps around with his naturally extended talons. The fight scenes are OK, especially one that appears to be atop the stack of a nuclear power plant. But the plot is so filled with both holes and unfinished threads. Why would Stryker spend hundreds of millions of dollars to beef up Wolverine's bones and then turn around and want to kill him? And I found myself asking these slightly obvious questions over and over again while viewing Wolverine. I was even in the mood for good escapist action entertainment; what I got instead was an absolute mess. I was a holdout even before I went into this; I thought it might actually be good. I'm man enough to admit my mistake.
-- Capone
capone@aintitcoolmail.com
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acted more like Wolverine than Wolverine in this movie.I thought Wolverine was supposed to be more ferocious and blood thirsty before joining the X-men.
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lol ;)
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;) :P
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I haven't seen it. I'm going to wait for the DVD. But yeah, this sounds like a movie concocted by studio suits using statistical studies telling them what people apparently want to see in movies, rather than a film crafted by creative people who are doing what they actually want to.
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I can't believe Marvel would aproove this plot / script. They shouldvefollowed the comic books it was way more interesing. They didnt even have the right characters for the weapon x team. Although they seemed to follow the basic outline it just lkaced on too many levels to count. O yeah thanks for fucking up Deadpool.
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...but it sure smells good!
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i had more fun watching it then i had watching x-men 3that said i'll admit x3 had a better story, but wolverine was more fun
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Seriously? Fucking "DECAPITATE" ?!?!? I hope whomever the genius was that thought that gem up gets ass cancer.
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Jackman's a good guy that deserves better (he needs a better agent too).
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by the time you've typed in the commands Weapon 11's dead - program some fucking buttons already, or map out keyboard controls. there's a reason games have been doing it since Doom and Wolfenstein.
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Two shitty movies in a row. Fuck is he working on the Dennis Hopper career model.
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i was confused too, but Sryker wants to see if Wolverine can survie the adamantium bonding process so he can inject his DNA into Deadpool and do the same thing to him.
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from the get go
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But no more bland than the X-Men movies in general. Everytime I watch an X-Men movie it feels like a pilot for a series. This was no different.
If anything, I was disappointed because they had the chance to make a hell of a film, if they took the time & wanted to be true to the comic book character.
I suppose I was hoping for a stand alone Wolverine movie. Instead we got a movie that was pretty much like the X-Men movies, but let's face it, the main audience for this isn't comic book fans, it's X-Men fans. It was made under the X-Men banner afterall. It could have been so much better, but I've seen worse. -
"what I got instead was an absolute mess". But your review doesn't really explain why. It comes across that the film was kinda ok.
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30 seconds into the credits and at the end?
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google it im not sure if canadians fought under the american flag in either ww1 or 2, i dont think so...they didnt have to
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everyone got the stryker gets stopped by the army ending...and capone got the "deadpool says, shhhhhhhhhhhh" ending
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I saw it yesterday. It was underwhelming, it felt like a mish mash of outtakes and video game cut scenes. The visual effects appeared to be animatic quality at times. Once again, good job Marvel! I guess Jon Favreau will continue to carry the load.
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They need to stop letting these movie writers & directers do whatever they want. Ruining origins etc. Why couldn't the villain be someone from the CB.
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So, turns out the people who saw the work print were right huh? Interesting.
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the reason that they had the other father in to play was because they wanted to establish that wolverine and sabertooth werent really brothers they just grew up together and happen to have different fathers, which is a horrible plot device by the way in itself, but to apply this shit( ie FOX) to a classic comic characters origin story, they raped us and they didnt even wear a condom, and then DEADPOOL, i want my eyes removed
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Victor thought it'd be great fun and Logan went along with it.
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I watch the commercials and trailers and say to myself "Nothing here looks like its from the 70's. Shouldn't that be the case? What fucking year is this? Did the first X-Men take place in 2020?"
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As Fox owns the movie rights to X-Men, I don't think there's much Marvel could do to stop them from fucking up Deadpool.
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Entertaining, but average. My son loved it, and that's what's more important. Wasn't better than the X Men movies.
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shooting lasers from his eyes, teleporting, and having giant kitanas that extend from his hands like Wolverines claws...."THEY ARE RAPING HIM! WHY!!!! WHY ARE THEY RAPING HIM!!!Also, Deadpools Nickname is "The Merc with the Mouth", since he's such a smartass. So what does fox do? THEY FUSE HIS MOUTH SHUT!"STOP RAPING HIM WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!"
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The first part is only wade Wilson according to Reynolds and instead of cancer scars they came from the fucked up shit they do to him.. He should be full on deadpool in w2 or spinoff... Just saying so it. Can be a little more understandable..... Movie gets 7.5/10 come on.. It was better than f4, Electra, daredevil, punished, x3, spiderman 3, hulk 1,...isn't it?
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The only way you can say Wolverine is a better movie than F4, Electra, Daredevil, Punisher, X3, Spidey 3, or Hulk, is because you have a vested interest in the main character. In a vacuum, this movie is as bad as some of those, and much worse than others.
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Seriously, did they just say, "Fuck sticking to the comics, lets make up our own stupid shit.". I don't get it. The movie would have been much better, and they would have embraced the massive comic fan base and all newcomers alike. I'm glad I didn't waste my $34 on this garbage. Yea, I said $34. Tickets for me and the woman, Popcorn, soda...it adds up.
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Haven't seen this movie yet but once again what were you fucking nerds expecting!?! It's Hollywood...the movie wasn't even gonna be good. It was always gonna be just Ok. They don't care about making a fucking amazing Wolverine movie... they care about the opening weekend and guess what they got that. I mean after all the negative reviews I'm seeing this flic today cause I want to see some explosions and shit. Nothing more. I'll watch some old Jamie Cameron movies if I want a classic example of superior Hollywood film making. Fart! Gas! Butt Whistle! You fuckers ask way to much for an establishment that has always fucked us over on films like this. No body should be surprised.
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So now that we've had a chance to see what a really bad X-Men movie can be with Wolverine, STFU already about X-MEN: The Last Stand. The Golden Gate bridge scene alone was worth the price of admission.
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Over in the UK we got the Stryker and Logan in Japan ones, but in the US you got Deadpool still alive?
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Haven't seen this movie yet but once again what were you fucking nerds expecting!?! It's Hollywood...the movie wasn't even gonna be good. It was always gonna be just Ok. They don't care about making a fucking amazing Wolverine movie... they care about the opening weekend and guess what they got that. I mean after all the negative reviews I'm seeing this flic today cause I want to see some explosions and shit. Nothing more. I'll watch some old Jamie Cameron movies if I want a classic example of superior Hollywood film making. Fart! Gas! Butt Whistle! You fuckers ask way to much for an establishment that has always fucked us over on films like this. No body should be surprised.
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I think that's the point of the Three Mile Island references.
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because we are fans of the comic and for the most part the first two, and i dont know if u have noticed a trend dark knight>batman begins edward norton>ang lee don cheadle>terrence howard for comic book fans, they are getting much better at least holding to correct tone and mythology and at least not confounding the stories and making adult movies, X-wolverine was porn for preteens, and of course fox let us down once again, its funny too, this is the first time the videogames version was better than the movie, look it up
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I hear that's kinda good...
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That wasnt on the print i saw last night,just Logan in Japan.What gives there?????
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One for US audiences, one elsewhere.
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was more than i can take...is how i feel about him ALL the time.
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i come here for the talkbacks.
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That's right he just pumped my gas at BP and asked if I need my windshield cleaned...
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swine flu will get you there, cooked up in a room with a bunch of people is just too risky. and dont shake hands with the following people: homeless people, nurses, teachers, hookers and mexicans. stay safe.
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can you please watch stargate this fall even if you hate it, thanks!
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Every single review of this film has used this line. It is now, officially, the most over-used of all film criticism cliches.
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i still cant believe they went there.
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D\ motherfuckers.
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Anyone who thinks this shit is better or even on par with the first two xmen movies is hereby banned from big-boy pants. Seriously, you're just shitting all over yourself here, come on...
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Isn't Deadpool's comic-book motivation for talking so much smack all the time supposed to be that his mouth was wired shut for a long period? So, they pull out an obscure detail about the character AND THEN RAPE HIM WITH IT? That's kind of brilliant.
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i HAVE a special bullet.
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i swear to Bale that this movie wouldve rocked if Bale was in it
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i also got problems, i need to learn how to spell, so here goes, u teach me how to spell and i teach u how to write correctly, okay?
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WHAT DONT YOU FUCKIN UNDERSTAND!!! OH GOOOOOD!
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http://tinyurl.com/cnxd7x I guess the other one wasn't Japanese enough?
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Next piece of shit movie of the sumemr season: Star Trek.
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It was a lame-ass script and poorly-executed production overall.
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It's not meaningless at all. Quite the contrary, it's quite telling.
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on the heads of AIG, auto companies and banks
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that sounds exactly like my last weekend off from work,dont take the few freedoms i have away from me,oh, and masterbating to the new transformers trailer, did u see the mouth on that thing, sucking all that sand, is that robot a female?
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"Gambit throws playing cards, sometimes they go boom!"
How the fuck else would they protray Gambit on screen without upsetting all the nerds?
And it was important to show that another man was his father as that other man is a violent, nasty bastard...origins,etc,etc
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But after all the shitty reveiws it got i'm not sure i want to anymore.at least we got star trek and t:4
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Everything comic book nerds hate about this movie make me want to see it more. Things like "Those guys in the masks from the other X-Mane movies are not there", or things like "It isn't violent enough". Comic books are some of the best source material to base a movie on- but can easily make the worst movies if they are made so that nerds love them. I liked the X-Men movies (including #3) and thought that while the Dark Knight was an amazing movie (probably the best movie last year), it took itself way too seriously and had no "joy" to it. Nothing that made me cheer for my (anti) hero. Looks like this Wolverine movie is made for those of us who want to enjoy a movie and could give a rats be-hind about the comics.
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Even Deadpool. Don't believe me? Ask him...
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AND THAT INCLUDES NOT GOING TO SEE AVATAR, BECAUSE IT WILL SUCK AND YOU KNOW IT --
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Sure, it'll tail off in the second weekend, but by then Fox will have made their money back...
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sabertooth also grew up to be a very bad man, actually worse than wolverine, ok, do you even read the comics? so ur saying that their father issues controlled their fates, u have gone full retard on us, or do u work for foxs writers cause u think the same way they do, go to movies.com, end _ bitch
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give up on hoping for the boycott. 99% of the losers here screaming for boycott went to see "Taken" and have done nothing but suck the tit of Rothman and Fox since. They are cowards that know nothing but to follow instead of standing on their own.
As for "Avatar", it's the wrong film to bet against. Cameron has the same power as George Lucas (but we obviously know who the better director is...), by which I mean that the only reason Fox is involved with this is for distribution purposes, nothing more nothing less. So "Avatar" will be 100% Cameron w/o Fox coming in to fuck it. -
May 02, 2009 2:34:33 PM CDT
we should start doing a sweepstake on the box office drop...
by gabba-uk
When a certain other film comes out next week. I think 78% dive in box office taking for Wolverine next weekend. And I'm sure I'm being generous. Anyways, got my Weds midnight showing ticket already for Trek. Now, to wear pointy ears or not....
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Just asking for clarity's sake.
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You know how many C- students will absolutely LOVE this film? Hood made a film which will appeal to the lowest common denominator, and for that it will make money. But where did the $140m budget go? Certainly not the special effects, which were on par with a wet fart. I suspect the advertising cost a bundle. I mean, a mutant berry slurpee flavor can't be cheap to develop. I was entertained by the actors, but disappointed by the film. For a movie called "X-Men Origins: Wolverine", it was 5% X-Men Origins, 20% Wolverine, and 75% ECW. But, I liked it better than Indy 4.
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I'm not saying he has always been bad, and I am not saying that he can't be good, but Wolverine has become one of the dumbest comic book characters out there. As I said in another TB, he is super hero overkill - they have basically thrown everything but the kitchen sink into his background.
Plus, Ebert is also right that he has no vulnerabilities. Batman, Spider-Man and Punisher can all be killed or hurt, even by a single gunshot. And even characters much more powerful than him have some sort of Achile's Heel: Superman has Kryptonite and his love for his friends and family, you can go after Lois and the Daily Planet to get to Superman; the Hulk has his low intelligence and his outsider status, and his alter ego is as weak and mortal as any human; and Iron Man has a bad heart and can be caught with his pants (or armor) down.
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He's one of those 'internal conflict' guys. He doesn't want to succumb to his violent Id. A proper movie would have addressed that better than having him yell at Victor.
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There is nothing to him, so to think that there would be some epic script of divine providence exploding on the scene to enlighten the world is a joke. WOLVERINE is boring. Most COMIC BOOK heroes are.
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May 02, 2009 3:23:51 PM CDT
It's a LOT better than this site would leave you to believe.
by peoplecallmethebriman
Unless you're a big comic book nerd that gets all bent out of shape when a movie doesn't EXACTLY follow the way things went in the comics -- I think you'll find this to be a fairly decent start to the Summer movie season. Maybe it's that reading the talkbacks on this site lowered my expectations to the point where I was expecting a steaming pile of turd -- but I thought it was pretty entertaining and definitely better than X3. The one plot hole that bugged me a bit is why does Sabertooth not recognize Logan in X1? I get it that Logan lost his memory -- but Victor did not. So whattup with Michael Myers not acknowledging his long lost brother? Especially since they kinda kissed and made up at the end.
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You're absolutely right. The film is actually pretty entertaining, and it's MILES better that that third XMEN turd! Get over it folks- it ain't that bad!
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And has been trained as a commando, samurai and a spy, and he still has problems controlling his violent id?
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I'm not a big X-Men fan, and have never cared for the character Wolverine. However,as a comic book film it was enjoyable enough -- and better than most reviews would lead you to believe.I suppose if you're passionate about Wolverine it would be disappointing simply because it comes off as somewhat rushed and under-developed.
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May 02, 2009 3:42:18 PM CDT
FOX needs to stop making movies. The PS3 game is better than the
by mrfloppy
I'm afraid of AVATAR now, but I think that being a Cameron movie, he doesn't have the same problems as the rest of directors.
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May 02, 2009 3:43:18 PM CDT
The PS3 game is better than the movie. Trust me, and play it (at
by mrfloppy
The PS3 game is better than the movie. Trust me, and play it (at least is has BLOOD)
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Many comic book writers have done so. There was no reason for the screenwriters to do so because they knew that the dumb people would show up anyway...all of you who paid to see this, plus the little kids who have an excuse not to be that smart yet.
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Many writers have done him write. But I think a lot more writers, especially recently, have done him wrong.
I think Wolverine is in the same state as Batman was before O"Neill and Adams, bogged down by all these gimmicks and unnecessary elements and far away from what made him popular to begin with. To many bad writers have put unnecessary and crappy elements into the Wolverine myth. He is pointlessly complex and excessive.
As I have said before, Wolverine is like a Christmas tree that too many ornaments have been put on - the branches are starting to sag and the tree just looks ridiculous and ugly. -
May 02, 2009 4:08:54 PM CDT
The Lowest Common Denominator Argument
by my_horse_got_fucked_on_jeopardy
All four X-Men films didn't do well because of dumb people. They did well because of casual moviegoers. People that are smart enough to consider films as entertainment- as opposed to a lifestyle or religion. The smartest people I know generally seem to fall into this category. Conversely, the people that know all the intricate backstories of the comics and can tell me why Deadpool got screwed...those are usually the last people on earth I want to place in charge of anything. Hey, they're great to talk movies with, but that's usually about the extent of it.
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I MEAN THE GUY OBVIOUSLY HAS NO CLUE WHAT MAKES A GOOD ADVENTURE MOVIE, ALL HE CARES ABOUT IS HOW COOL HIS MAIN ACTOR LOOK WHILE THE BACKGROUND BLOWS UP CAN SOMEONE JUST TERMINATE HIM FOR GOOD ?
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I mean, T4 isn"t distributed by Fox.
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The geeks are a waste of time to try to please. Wolverine is no different and just as good/bad as all of the rest of the X Men films. Brian Singer had a couple of moments in 1 and 2 that were superior to Wolverine. That is it. Otherwise... this is a continuation of the X Men movies in the same vein they have all been made. Now, if you try to compare to The Dark Knight... well... sure... it's not as good as the ONE SINGLE superhero film that transcends the rest. Geeks want their caped heroes to be treated with respect that isn't usually reserved for anything that has a toy line. Well, sorry, but TDK was the exception. Wolverine is the standard. I enjoyed the movie for a second time. I didn't enjoy it in the way I enjoyed State of Play. I enjoyed it in the way I enjoy ice cream. It's fun and it's light. But it's not a meal at a 4 star. And geeks want their toys and cartoons to be 4 star quality when they are in fact ice cream cones.
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Nice work Capone.
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you'r nuts, worlveine is not written, the script could have been made by a 4 uear old and stil be better than this crap, anyone involved should JUST RETIRE
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omg are u for real??
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casual moviegoers, while you don't want people who obsess over the movie to be in charge of anything??? it seems like the best comic book movies (TDK & Iron man & SP2) all happened because everyone involved was devoted to making a movie anything less than "casual"
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Because it explains why Sabertooth and Wolverine are different: one has been loved, one hasn't. That explains why Wolverine's a good guy.
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Here are the comic-book superhero templates in order from coolest to dumbest:
1. Vigilante, a.k.a. Guy Dresses Up As a Bat: A real person, without powers, becomes a hero. (Batman, Daredevil, Tarzan).
2. Superhuman: An alien arrives on Earth and replaces Christ as the world's savior. (Superman, um, Hercules, if you push it).
3. Science-fiction: A gift of science, either created by man or alien, endows someone with the powers of a hero. (Iron Man, Green Lantern).
4. Magic or the supernatural: Self-explanatory, can also incorporate previous mythologies. (Hellboy, Dr. Strange, Thor, Wonder Woman).
5. Sci-fi: Ridiculous science-fantasy concepts that are utterly preposterous and can't be taken seriously by anyone past age seven. Such as, werewolf-spider transmits super-powers, or, four astronauts ride their rocket through a cloud of radiation and manifest something other than radiation sickness. (Spider-man, Fantastic Four, Hulk, The Flash)
6. Evolution doesn't work that way: Mutants evolve into bizarre humanoids with long fingernails, the ability to control some force of nature, or the ability to re-arrange their physical composition into ice or invisibility. There is no superhero trope dumber or easier than the mutant.(X-Men)
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Wolverine is not being loved right now though
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Let's fuck up Deadpool completely BUT after the credits we can show how he survived and maybe SOMEHOW we can convert him back to the Merc with a Mouth.
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He went from making a good indie film (TSOTSI) to a still somewhat low budget war drama (Rendition) to this mega-budget studio film. The studio had their hands in from day 1, he probably got notes like crazy.... and it really is a huge film to jump to. The guy probably did the best he could.
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Wolverine is not on your chart. He is a Mutant (number 6), who has been trained to be a great soldier and martial artist (number 1) and has been altered by science (number 3 or number 5, depending how you look at it).
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I intended him to be lumped in among 6, but 7 works, too. However, I'm not giving him any attributes of #1. He might be "trained" because, when he was first really popular Frank Miller was all-the-rage and everything had to have that "gauntlet of ninjas" thing attached to it, but he is in no way a self-directed hero, which is the unwritten qualification necessary to share a room with a true #1. Captain America had training, too, but he's always a tool of The Man (and a #5)
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wolverine is likable because he doesnt have obvious powers. healing isnt an attack power, its pretty lame actually but combined with the claws it works. hes also unique in that hes normal looking human, he doesnt have the problems that other x-men have except for the claws and old age and mysterious past, okay hes weird but not as gay as the others
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One is always known by the company one keeps.
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Sure he took super-steroids, but hell, he also had to learn to fight and kick ass on his own. He doesn't just use his perfect physique, he also knows how to dish out punishment and is a trained soldier.
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Daredevil has been demoted to #5. Even though, when he's re-booted, I suggest forgetting the "splashing through radiation waste" origin and just let his senses develop naturally to compensate for his blindness. Then he can take his rightful place as secondary Batman imitation and return to one-hood.
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He's a five.
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That was only a rational to get him to the modern age.
And I am not saying he isn't a five. I am just saying he is a 5 with elements of 1.
I love Cap's origin, but you could of gotten rid of the entire super-soldier formula and frozen iceberg and it wouldn't change how he fights or acts at all. He still functions like a 1 - plenty of fist and relying on his training. -
I don't think Shark-repellant Batspray, inflatable Bat-jet skis and a utility belt that carries a device for every conceivable situation lets you stay a #1.
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its origins will be circumcision and it will fight for justice against an evil overlord named g-spot and it has superpowers like shoots venom liquid thing that i hear tastes really bad and is really sticky. penis will have a sidekick who will be balls, these will help penis too.
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Captain America doesn't even exist without the steroids. Steroids may be okay in contemporary American athletics, but they are definately a no-no when consideration for superhuman promotion is at stake. Remember, self-direction, self-direction, self-direction.
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As long as the pages are not stuck together.
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Maybe he isn't a number 1, but throw the man a little love. He took the risk to undergo the experiment. At least he showed his worth by volunteering for the army (before Pearl Harbor) and when rejected he still waited to play a part.
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There is no consideration of fetishes built into the scale.
A better question to ponder: Where does Aqua-Man belong? I'm thinking #6, and I am reminded of a favored joke.
Aqua-man and a school of fish swim up to a bar at a coral reef.
Aquaman asks, "Seen any crime today, fish?"
Fish reply, "glub"
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"love you, bro..."
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Tool of The Man.
If every scrawny wannabe had access to super-soldier-serum, we'd all be heroes. And, as you surely learned from THE INCREDIBLES, if everyone were a hero, no one would be. -
Captain America cannot be taken seriously by anyone past the age of seven. It's right there in black-and-white. It's out of my hands.
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act like a man and dont love anything.
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Because he just didn't use the super-soldier formula for self-gain. He realizes he has a responsibility to help others.
Lets be honest, if we all had the super-soldier formula few of us would be using it to help our fellow man or pushing themselves to be the best fighter we could. And almost anyone here on this TB wouldn't be using those gifts to fight against al-Queda or against the Taliban, or against any injustice, they would just use those abilities to win Gold medals and get on the cover of Kellog's. Cap ain't selfish.
Now, Batman is selfish. Guy thinks he is above the law and can operate without any being held responsible to any sort of authority accept his own. You want to fight crime Batman? Get a badge. -
That is also the philosophy of Joshua Swaney. We don't need no +1s!.
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the fact that hes called captain america makes me puke, how obnoxious can one be to call himself that?
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Patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels.
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Don't even doubt it.
Joshua Swaney would refuse the accompaniment of Bale himself. -
All super-heroes have flawed philosophies.
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i think you're tasty, where can i find you?
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Vigilantism is just confused activism.
And, just so diox doesn't accuse us of anything, no one wants to know anything about your flaccid parts. -
I have never gone that way, but you never know. I'm still young.
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Before America even entered the war. Give credit to Simon & Kirby, they knew where the fight was.
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Makes you wonder. Just how selfish did America's greatest Generation (Patent pending) have to really be? "Aw, they had to go and blow up our shit! Now we HAVE to get involved. It's ok, though, we'll be able to hold it over every other allied country's head for fourty years!"
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i only want to smell you and eat you. i bet you're delicious and sweet.
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May 02, 2009 5:35:14 PM CDT
Eeeewww. Time to return the Talkback to a discussion of a movie
by bjornegar
Diox gave me serious creeps right there.
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I call faggotry!
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...millions of people have been killed in Africa and around the rest of the world, but Americans never decide to go solve it (or if they do they just say "hey, let's send in the soldier's but I am not going to enlist") I think it is understandable that you wouldn't want to get involved in a war where millions of people are dying unless you felt provoked. Plus, we did see how WWI was, so it is not a big incentive for us to jump right in and face another huge bloodbath.
I can't really call them the greatest generation (I think racism and some of the hypocrisy of that generation prevents me from doing so), I will say that they climbed out the Great Depression and then volunteered to face possibly get slaughtered oversees against two very dangerous foes, despite the fact that neither foe would ever be able to really reach us. Even if China fucking invaded Hawaii I think you would be hard pressed to find as many people willing to enlist and fight nowadays. I used to be in the Army, but I am the first to admit I am a big fucking coward. After 9-11 I thought about joining up again, but I decided that I got other things I wanted to do.
I know you are being tongue in cheek, but it is hard for me to mock and laugh at another group of people who obviously risked and did more than any of us ever had.
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What was the scene after the credits? I didn't stay because I didn't think there would be one.
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Now excuse me while I call the police.
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Thank you Tom Rothman for finally killing of the X-Men & Wolverine franchise you ASSHOLE! Time to go watch IRONMAN & The Dark Knight....maybe you should too!
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I took my girlfriend to see it last night, and we both enjoyed it. Maybe it was just because our expectations were so low, but we were both entertained. Definitely worth the price of admission.
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i think i saw u there with ur gf, u guys werent watching the movie, you were just busy making out and stroking each other! no wonder u enjoyed it.
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oh that's funny. So dissident views from the main are AUTOMATICALLY correct? Since child molestation is considered bad by the general public you think it's good? WOLVERINE SUCKED ASS! Not because my boss told me so or I'm so mesmerized by the VAST MAJORITY of reviewers and posters who hated the film, but because the MOVIE SUCKED ASS! Bad story, bad acting, bad action, and a bad studio.
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Celtics Bulls tonight. Ready for another classic?
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I don't know if I can trust someone known as just "theplant". I think he's a FERN, and everyone knows they're lying bastards!
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Why the hell would Canadians fight under the American flag in either WWI or WWII?? Canadians fought under the Canadian flag, proudly.
Thousands of Canadians did fight in the American Civil War however and some volunteered for Vietnam as well. Canada had no official involvement in either war however.
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thas a fact...
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About your penis comic book, MARVEL said sorry, they don't so "short" stories!!!
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I just created an account to comment this part of capone's critic: "....There's a strange and seemingly unnecessary sequence in which Logan is sick...."
This is the perfect example of a horrible critic and what I hate about critics sometimes, they critic things that they really don't get at all!. This movie is a big pile of (entertaining) shit, and capone goes an critizes one of the only god points....fist, they're melting here the "Wolvering: Origin" comic books, and second this scene is there for the sake of the drama (you know there is something like that, didn't you?), Logan thinks his father is one man, this man gets killed by another, that (a heavily traumatic incident) triggers Logan's mutation and after that he kills the killer of his father, just to know that the man he killed is his real father. Don't you think is important to know that? to try to undertand the character in some ways? not speaking that these news make him the brother of the previously (in the comics, in the movie we don't know it) hatred Victor Creed....
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Those were really bad ones, I just think movies like X3 and Daredevil Ext. deserve much more credit.
Wolverine could have been much better, but it also could've been much worse.
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that people who don't like this movie were jaded going in, or were fanboys too perturbed by character changes to give this a fair chance. This was a bad movie, and that is a fact. That doesn't mean you should feel bad for enjoying it, or that critics are attacking you for liking it, it just means that by the basically universal standards for what makes a movie good (character development, plot cohesiveness, acting, action/fx, dialog, etc...) this movie is a complete failure. Some people love the XXX franchise, some people out there actually enjoyed Pluto Nash, so it's understandable that many people would enjoy this film. The thing is, enjoyment does not equal quality.
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...like me.
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...that he loves to enter Stargates whereas I'm very honest and open about it.
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...'Stargate' is my pet name for ANOTHER MAN'S ASSHOLE
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May 02, 2009 7:36:39 PM CDT
If this had been made 10 years ago you would all be creaming you
by walter_burns
Basically the bar has been raised by the like of The Dark Knight, Watchmen, Iron Man,the 1st 2 x-men and the 1st 2 spider mans. The wolverive flick is deepy average - but petty entertaining if you are in an indulgent mood. The plot is pants - but the fights are good. My wife and I saw it on an "orange wednesday" ie 2 seats for the price of one - and it was definately worth that. I went in with very low expectations after some of the feedback and was pleasantly proved wrong.
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...I get an extra seat to rest my feet on.
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Batman and Robin was just over 10 years ago, and that would elicit the same reaction today. If you're saying this would be more enjoyable if we'd never seen Wolverine in a movie, well, obviously, because in general something is better than nothing. If you're saying 10 years ago you were too young to appreciate quality in film, I can't argue with you. If you're saying the reason this movie is a critical bomb is because we've been spoiled by good super hero movies, then you're wrong. The fundamental failures of this movie are in plot, dialog, character development and story structure. Those failures would exist even if this didn't have other genre movies to live up to.
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It's not only about defending this movie,it's about having a fair and objective review based on facts.
It doesn't make any sense to me to criticize so many things that were taken directly from the books as beeing complete bullshit or out of character. "Discoball Emma",Wolverine's origin or Gambit's card throwing just to name a few.
Somtimes I just wonder if the reviewers actually still read any comics, or if they are referring to
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.. but the queues can suck - especially now pretty well all UK cinemas have gone for all tickets can only be booked at the popcorn counter...
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Sure, it had it's creaky moments, but I liked it. Great mutant fight scenes. The problem was that we already knew abou 75% of the plot thanks to X-Men 1 & 2, so there was virtually no surprises.
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Teal'c returns to Chulak to stop his people from implanting his son with a larval Goa'uld, but must sacrifice himself to save him.
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Daniel is taken captive by an alien with a hidden agenda, while SG-1 is made to believe he is dead.
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The banished Goa'uld Hathor is found in an ancient sarcophagus Earth, and takes over the S.G.C. with hopes of raising a new army against the System Lords.
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I've seen numerous posts across the various AICN Wolvie TB's (and wow there are a lot of reviews, considering their redundancy) basically stating that anyone who didn't like this movie must have been biased going in. I'm simply stating that this is not the case. I'm sure some people go in determined to hate it, which is true for many movies, but you can't dismiss all criticism because of that. That's like saying people didn't like Daredevil because they were ready to have Afleck going into the movie. Even if that was the case, the movie wasn't well made, thus blaming Afleck hate for any criticism would just be a cop-out.
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A mysterious affliction wipes out the entire population of a planet, plus an SG team -- except for one young girl. Carter befriends her, but learns that she is being used by the Goa'uld.
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Spoil me if needed.
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...my episode summaries for SG1 Season 1 episodes 1-10 are on the talkback for Harry's Wolverine review. Over the next few months I'm gonna start posting them in various talkbacks here on AICN. Not sure how long it'll take me to get through every episode ever made, but hey! That's part of the fun, right?
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There's only one ending as far as I know...Carter befriends her, but learns that she is being used by the Goa'uld.
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...and I'm here because I'm addicted to wanking
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You make a very good point. In general I'm am "half glass full" as opposed to a "half glass empty" kind or person - which basically means I tolorate a hell of a lot of crap! (ie am relatively undiscrimianting - and I know this is not a good thng!). I thought Wolverine was a deeply average flick - but enjoyed it for all that on the night. I won't be adding it to my list of DVDs/Blu-rays to buy as it certainly is not a "keeper". Ultimately I thouight Hugh and Liv did a pretty darn good job with a ropey script/plot and ultimately made it watcheble (if far from classic)
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May 02, 2009 8:35:10 PM CDT
Capone, Wolverine is the best of the 4 X-Men films, here's why..
by w3bzpinn3r
It takes tons of scenes directly from the comics, the characters look extremely close to their comic counterparts, and the action is actually decent... Now, Capone... let's answer your questions...
about the beginning... Wolverine lived in a mansion, raised by a rich man with rich-kid ideals. His 1/2 brother and real father were groundskeepers. They lived the gritty life (not shown, but in the comics, Victor was often chained in the basement). This scene shows that Wolverine used to be constantly sick, but under the stress of seeing his 'father' murdered, it triggers his mutation, and we get the claws and healing factor. Plus, it establishes that James and Victor have to rely on each other. THAT'S the importance of the scene.
Will.I.Am is a black cowboy because his character John "Kestrel" Wraith was a black cowboy. It's keeps in character.
The reason Stryker did the adamantium to Wolverine was to see if Wolverine's healing factor could compensate for it. That's important because they take Wolverine's DNA to add to Deadpool (just like the comics) to give him a healing factor that can equal Wolverine's as well as allow him to survive the bonding process, thereby creating a new super soldier.
The meat of the movie seems to take place in the late 70's early 80's, which fits in nicely with the late 90's of the X-Men films. Fits perfectly.
As for characters not "fitting in together based on the comics", you should know by now that the films do not follow the comics, but are merely BASED on the comics. That's why you can have Blob in Team X. That's why Sabretooth works for Magneto. That's why Phoenix is a repressed Ego rather than an alien power. It's a different take. Like Ultimate X-Men, or the Transformers movies.
As I said earlier, this is easily the best of the X-Films. It's not a laughably bad as X3. Not as boring as X1, and not as "WTF are the odds of all this coming together?" as X2.
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I think we can all agree on the fact that we deserve better comic
book movies, or movies in general.
Iron Man and DK showed how it can be done. And I'm all for fair criticism. I just don't gethow most of the time people's main complaint about DD was the fact that Afleck got the
lead? He wasn't all that bad. Same goes for Taylor Kitsch, he brought some 'coolness' and comedic relief to this film. Can't believe he get's criticized for his accent. If
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"the characters look extremely close to their comic counterparts"
What the fuck are you talking about?Where in the comic Wolverine a 6'3" dude? And Sabretooth does not look like an unbathed janitor in the comics. -
...and Blob from the comics doesn't look like Fat Bastard from Austin Powers
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...and I'm unhappy because I eat. It's a vicious circle."
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I'm from New Orleans, have a decided affinity for Gambit (he's just behind Swamp Thing as favorite N.O. char,) I laughed at his accent, and I greatly prefer the comic version to the movie version. I still enjoyed his presence in the movie, and haven't complained about Kitsch's accent or the transformation of his powers for the film. The character served his purpose, and Kitsch did a good job portraying a mischievous rogue. I wouldn't have complained at all if he'd just disappeared from the movie before showing up Deus-Ex style quipping witless dialog near the end. But that isn't nit-picking a character to me, that's just being worn down by cliched dialog and lazy writing.
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I was really surprised at how much effort they put into the videogame. This isn't your average superhero/movie game. It's a hard R, balls to the wall God of War-ripoff limb chopping beat-em-up. Really fun stuff. The movie wasn't very good though. But eh whatever, Hugh Jackman is awesome enough to bounce back. Seriously he seems like the nicest guy in Hollywood, and he's got talent too.
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I just can't stand reading someone badmouth any film anymore. This will be the last review of a film I ever read. Who cares if someone didn't like it. The worst part is reading someone go on and on about why it sucks rather than just saying. I didn't get it. I didn't connect to it. Ahh whatever...
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Did anyone get that ending?
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Actually I was refering to Capone's review and his criticism of Gambit's powers. I think they felt the need to bring in some of the fan favorites, as far as I remember they wanted to include him in X3, thank god they didn't.
And as for the accent, I can really
imagine how you felt about it.
I kinda felt that way about nightcrawler's german accent in X2, although generally speaking they did him great justice.
If they decide to do another wolverine movie they should really try not to bring in too many characters at once.
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I thought it was okay. Is that allowed or must it be one extreme or the other?
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"What this film consists of is character after character trying to out-badass each other by looking meaner or dressing cooler than the next guy."
is why I really liked it. I mean come on, it's the macho-est movie I've seen in a long time. I thought we liked that stuff? But anyway, about Stryker. He seemed fairly paranoid. He wanted to get rid of the mutants because of the future threat they posed. But he also wanted to make a weapon out of them. He wanted to use them if he could but he was superscared of them too. That's why at the first sign that his new and improved Wolverine was uncontrollable he wanted to get rid of him. His scaredycatness won out over how much he spent on improvements. -
Also, people who use the word "HATER(S)" love sucking on rotten, week old, juicy assholes!
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I mean, how can you make that claim until you've actually tried it? Can anyone here that HAS been raped in the face acutally attest to this fact?
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And if this hadn't of been in the movie you'd be bitching and moaning about it.
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I'm pretty sure; however, that this movie is better than getting raped in the God damn face, though...but that really isn't saying much now...is it?
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Are you implying that getting raped in the God damn face (as though a silver back gorilla suddenly decided to make face-pussies out of each and every meathole in your head) an enjoyable experience?
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Your initial comment almost made me spit out my Mr. Pibb!
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I'm not sure Outlaw. Being gently raped in the face while asleep by someone with a tiny cock might actually be better. If you didn't wake up. And he pulled out (eww...) So, actually, in some ways watching Wolverine actually is WORSE than being raped in the face.
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Magnus, you have a point...and afterall...face rape is just oral sex you didn't know you wanted to give!
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"What the fuck are you talking about?Where in the comic Wolverine a 6'3" dude? And Sabretooth does not look like an unbathed janitor in the comics."
Um.... in Ultimate X-Men, wolverine isn't a midget. And Sabretooth always looks like he's unbathed. In fact, in several of the new Weapon X comics, Sabretooth has a crewcut and looked very similar to his look in this movie, and those comics were 6ish years ago.
"...and Blob from the comics doesn't look like Fat Bastard from Austin Powers"
Really? Blob was a big fat idiot, and here, he's a big, fat idiot. Looks the same to me.
The people here are bitching like the little girlie fanboys at tfw2005.com about Prime having flames on the cab, or no yellow Spandex on Wolverine, or that Venom wasn't a 400lb drooling behemoth in Spider-Man 3...
The movies are NOT the literal translation of the comics, they are re-interpretations of the source material. No one whined about the changes in Spielberg's Jaws or Jurassic Park. No one whined about the changes in Demme's Silence of the Lambs. Time to get the sand out of your vaginas and enjoy the films... -
Those aren't very apt comparisons. For one, translating a single book to a movie is quite different from translating a comic title which has had hundreds of issues. People have seen hundreds to thousands of actual images of characters from the comics, but for books they have only their imagination to compare with. Also, while Jurassic Park tweaked what people had read in one book, Wolverine totally rewrote ideas which had been presented in a uniform way in hundreds of books. It SHOULD be harder to get away with frivolous changes in a comic translation.
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Not really. It's a new take on the property. No one bitched about Batman being trained as a ninja in Batman Begins. No one complains about Heath Ledger not using exploding pies or acid flowers. The fact is, even Marvel Comics changes the characters histories CONSTANTLY. The comics are filled with inconsistancies. I read the "Wolverine" comic consistantly from 1989 to 1997 and just in that span there were hundreds of timeline clashes and origin rewrites. The authors used Logan's memory glitches to "explain" the poor writing (Sabretooth being Logan's father/not his father, Sable dead/not dead, Weapon X getting claws surgically implanted/bone claws, and thousands more). I commend the writers of the script since they managed to take 25+ years of convoluted soap opera and thin it down to very enjoyable and smooth moving flick.
It's not Ben Hur, but I honestly enjoyed it more than Iron Man, and I loved Iron Man. I honestly can't wait for the Deadpool spin-off movie. (he reattaches his head after the credits - classic Deadpool to not stay dead, and he "shhhhh"'s the audience, breaking the 4th wall, again classic.)
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heh...
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You make a good point. Continuity changes don't bother me, if there's a reason for them. However I also understand the fans who have invested time and money into an IP and hate to have it altered, because incongruity between what is in your head and what you see on screen isn't an ideal way to enjoy a movie. Also, Marvel didn't always constantly rewrite origins and aspects of characters. It was done, but was the exception to the rule until around the time Claremont's X-run ended. To me Wolverine's continuity issues are of a different breed than most movies making the jump from other mediums. You mentioned transformers, and those gripes seemed baseless to me. Optimus Prime's face or racing stripes are completely superficial. Likewise Wolverine's yellow spandex. Even the core changes for X-men 1 were more or less necessary for the movie being made, for example the movie version of Rogue makes more sense in this film than the comic version would. Younger female actress for the fellas portraying the innocent newbie that Wolverine protects (heh, just realized they basically put Rogue's character in Jubilee's place) is better than the older rogue whose story of evil-turned-X-Man wouldn't have enough time to do it justice. Like em or not, you can at least figure out a reason for those changes. The Wolvie movie, on the other hand, just made changes because they could, or simply because it would look "cooler" or flashier on screen. Half of the myriad changes didn't even look better, but worse, and the reason behind them is beyond me (Gambit levitating cards is a totally unnecessary change, and the CGI of them floating around looked like shit.) Each change on its own would be offensive only to the most hardcore fan of the comics, but they just recklessly make change after change, for no reason, and I completely understand being upset with that.
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That complaining about continuity should be a non-issue here. It's like complaining that there isn't enough mayo on your jizz sandwich. This movie stunk to its core. If the action sequences were handled properly I might be able to overlook the mind-numbingly cliched dialog, the poorly developed characters, the even more poorly conceived ones, weak story structure and lazy writing. But with the main elements of this movie failing this bad, what does it matter if they get the other stuff right?
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keep it up, you have brought some laughs to a depressing review, looking forward to your comments in regards to the "end of the world " i.e. Swine flu
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May 03, 2009 2:02:11 AM CDT
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by returnofthecreepythinman
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There is one ending. It is the resolution of the plot before the credits roll. The two "stingers" are scenes after the credits, like Samuel Jackson's appearance after the credits of IRON MAN or Patrick Stewart's voice-over after the credits of X3. The two stingers for WOLVERINE - neither of which is worth the time - have already been discussed ad nauseum. #1. Wolverine is drinking in a bar and says he's "drinking too remember." As opposed to "drinking to forget," get it? Isn't that clever. #2 has "Deadpool's" head pulled from out of some rubble, and it "ssshhhh"'s the audience.
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This got a squid in it? Just wondering.
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This movie is a piece of shit. I would like to thank whoever leaked it, because clearly they did it to save the fans from an awesome letdown. I didnt watch the leak btw.
Just to recap Capone: the movie isnt average, its balls to the wall garbage. The scene of wolverine killing his dad is never mentioned again. There are many scenes of wolverine escaping from an explosion. Killing, fighting, jungle tracking: ZERO. Unless you count the repetetive fight scenes with sabretooth, where whoever is going to win just throws the other around. Here are some more problems:
Instead of showing Wolverine though time, arguably a movie of it own right, it just zooms through during the credit and fast forwards to vietnam. Sabretooth: never seems angry or hateful, just cocky and like-a-dick. The weapon X transformation could have shown his bad assness: his skin and organs removed in stages and admantium infused, over weeks, as he takes the pain out of his hate. Instead he lays in a bath for 5 minutes. And for some reason his claws are magically sharpened just by being poured into him. His special team is stupid. They just make up mutants: zero, who is like Bullseye. Deadpool, who never wears a mask, and comes back as Weapon 11, with katana arm blades, a mouth sewed shut, and the powers of all the mutants. Some teleporting african amerinan cowboy. All these mutants, by the way, possess the power to jump super high and excel at hand to hand combat for some reason. The blob is shown skinny (why?). Wolverines girlfriend isnt killed, just “put to sleep” by hydrochlorothiazide (in real life this drug makes you go pee). You never see Wolvies awesome healing powers, tracking or fighting skills in full force. Gambit doesnt look bad ass, he looks like a high school kid, he does nothing cool, and just pops in from time to time with a seaplane. The best is when they go find Gambit, the only mutant to escape “the island” (of course, no sentinels there, so dont get your hopes up). Gambit is keeping a low profile in New Orleans by making cards fly in the air and winning every card game and is found in 2 seconds. Why anyone would play cards with someone who can do 100 million card tricks is beyond me. Did I mention they got to New Orleans from Las Vegas by riding motorcycles? The whole movie is piss poor. Also, what the hell is an adamantium bulllet? Allow me to fix THE ENTIRE MOVIE IN 5 MINTUES OF THINKING.
Wolverine is born in the 1800s. You see him and sabretooth hunted in the woods as children after a fight, they kill everyone. Fastforward, its the same old thing. They get caught after bedding some women in England and decide to escape to the US. Fast forward to Vietnam. Wolvie and Sabretooth kick some ass in the jungle. Team gets killed and wolverine hunts and kills a bunch of VC; wolverine, the base, sabertooth, people in the village. Wolverine is captured and tortured; sabertooth escapes. Some flashes of fighting in the wild west, WWI and WWII throughout, think highlander. Escapes and spends time in the South east asia cage fighting. Gangsters try to take him out, US govt saves him. taken to lab and made into weapon X in a series of painful surgeries (its now the 80’s). Loses his memory goes, berserk. Runs off, is feral in the wilderness. Meets his native american chick, and is at peace. Sabretooth an older experiment, is now just a feral after all the experiments. He us released; he kills and burns wolverines house and chick out of his jealousy for his happiness/skeleton. Sabretooth beats the crap out of wolverine but cant kill him. Wolverine goes back to weapon X complex and destroys it. Sabretooth fight again, but this time wolverine kicks the crap out of him. Walks off into the woods to be alone.
I also though itd be a cool subplot if they showed all the mutants having their genes traced to a map that paralleled Wolverines travels...as in, the X gene is from him and sabertooth, but can be expressed in different ways. Its makes a lot more sense than all these powers coming from different mutations. -
"Wolverine lived in a mansion, raised by a rich man with rich-kid ideals. His 1/2 brother and real father were groundskeepers. They lived the gritty life (not shown, but in the comics, Victor was often chained in the basement). This scene shows that Wolverine used to be constantly sick, but under the stress of seeing his 'father' murdered, it triggers his mutation, and we get the claws and healing factor. Plus, it establishes that James and Victor have to rely on each other. THAT'S the importance of the scene."
This "important scene" takes 30 seconds and is never referred to again in the movie. It made no sense.
"Will.I.Am is a black cowboy because his character John "Kestrel" Wraith was a black cowboy. It's keeps in character."
never heard of the guy before. Why keep this "original Weapon X member" but blow off almost everyhing else?
"The reason Stryker did the adamantium to Wolverine was to see if Wolverine's healing factor could compensate for it. That's important because they take Wolverine's DNA to add to Deadpool (just like the comics) to give him a healing factor that can equal Wolverine's as well as allow him to survive the bonding process, thereby creating a new super soldier."
Yeah, but deadpool looks freaking retarded, and why are they adding deadpool as wolverine foe? why not just stick with sabertooth?
"The meat of the movie seems to take place in the late 70's early 80's, which fits in nicely with the late 90's of the X-Men films. Fits perfectly."
Please point out ONE scene where it was obviously the 70s or 80s (besides vietnam).
As for characters not "fitting in together based on the comics", you should know by now that the films do not follow the comics, but are merely BASED on the comics. That's why you can have Blob in Team X. That's why Sabretooth works for Magneto. That's why Phoenix is a repressed Ego rather than an alien power. It's a different take. Like Ultimate X-Men, or the Transformers movies.
As I said earlier, this is easily the best of the X-Films. It's not a laughably bad as X3. Not as boring as X1, and not as "WTF are the odds of all this coming together?" as X2. -
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May 03, 2009 4:51:56 AM CDT
Posts like W3bzpinn3r's make me want to murder people
by industrykiller!
I can't believe there are people this dumb int eh world. It's just....unfathomable. That one could think X3 is "laughably" bad (which is certainly is but Wolverine....oh thats fucking grrrrreat (which it certainly isn't)!
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"The scene where he does that thing is great cause he does the thing and that establishes that he can do things like that which is completely in line with an interpretation of his character that has been written a bunch of times so Wolverine can really be anything but at least its established that he can do the things he does and that has emotional resonance because it's there. Absolutely classic."
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Discoball Girl is never actually referred to as Emma, neither does she ever exhibit psychic powers...
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When other, more talented people are on the dole in Hollywood ? As the Roth sets in ?
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Jackman is an overated actor and now a $$$ whore for selling out the fans who supported him so much; just so he could help Fox launch a couple more franchises with secondary characters.
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The Korean War wasn't good enough for them?????
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or in a change-of-pace comic book issue.
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can someone explain to me what the deadpool ending is? Saw the workprint with the japan ending. Gonna go see the movie tommorow night but I'm an impatient bastard and wanna know what the deadpool ending is. Oh and by the way, I actually liked the movie (even in its unfinished state) wasn't watching it expecting any statues to be handed out.
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This is a good thing, as it will serve to guarantee that more comic book related movies will reach the silver screen.
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You wolverine haters are all high. Your problem is that you had your own personal idea of what the movie should have been, and if it didn’t match what you wanted, it was going to be shit. As far as story goes, ALL comic book movies are kinda stupid. The first Batman remake had the dumbest story I’d ever seen with an anticlimactic ending; hell the whole concept is stupid. ANY comic movie is stupid! A guy gets bit by a radioactive spider and gets powers! Sounds like it was written FOR KIDS! Hey, it WAS! A guy puts on a bat suite and fights crime! STUPID. The movie was as good as any of the other comic movies, some have had better actors and were shot better but all in all they are all about the same. They are all mindless entertainment meant for 12-year-old boys! I have not seen a comic movie that wasn’t silly, that goes for star wars, star trek, watchmen, and all the marvel and DC characters. I go to them for FUN, and so far most of them have been fun. I wouldn’t mind seeing wolverine again, the only thing I would change is to add more blood and gore, and maybe take the swords out of deadpool’ arms. Other than that like ALL of these movies, it was childish silly fun. Grow up, these are movies and source material for kids…THEY ARE ALL ridiculous you pseudo intellectuals!
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I called it at ~$75M in the "master" Wolverine thread and people thought I was loopy. If you follow ANY non-Geek forums, there was huge excitement about this flick. I'm actually a little surprised it edged towards $90M, but the X-Men and Wolverine in particular have become pop-culture consumables.
I'm kind of torn in that this shows that even so-so execution can be profitable; on the other hand, it continues to show that "superhero" flicks are a solid genre. We can only hope the producers attempt to be true[er] to the source material. -
You see the Three Mile Island rubble, then Weapon XI's arm reaches out, and grabs his head, his eyes then open and he "shushes" the camera. I'm fairly sure the other Deadpool ending is just a fairy tale, since nobody will say they've actually seen it.
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But NON-FANS (that is, MOST MOVIE-GOERS who don't read comic books and maybe just know Wolverine from the X1-3 or were curious about the hype) cannot. I don't mind if they take liberties with the material. But don't expect everyone to walk in with a comic fan who will whisper to them "withheld" details during the movie. It's like it's expected for people to find out about certain important details from the comics for themselves, and then the film is completed without even putting it to script. Bad writing all around. This movie was terrible and just as bad as X3. Just as many wasted characters. Singer at least managed to make most of his X-Men have distinctive personalities. They didn't just shapeshift/stab/shoot/punch and spout one-liners. They made us love or hate or at least understand their motivations. And where will the inevitable Wolverine 2 venture? There's no intrigue left. No history to explore and Wolverine's personality was ABSENT from this movie. There's absolutely no noticeable difference from his "violent past" which THIS film as meant to show, and his moral shift in X1. Granted, this could make for a more liberated story but I'm not holding my breath for these shitty Fox adaptations anymore. Here's to the next Fox leak. They fucking deserve it.
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They got 87 million, so Fox gives a shit what we think. If they do not make another dollar, it is all good. Sorry to say.
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I agree that most fans of the comics have their own personal expectations built up during the productions of these films. Or they blow certain details out of proportion. And without discarding these expectations at the door, they seriously disappointed that the film on screen was not frame by frame (or panel by panel) matched to whatever they were hoping for. You'll notice most criticisms end with "MY perfect Wolverine film would..." or something along those lines. I'm hating on the movie because it sucked. Bad storytelling, a clunky, inorganic way of moving from one point to the next, plot holes, making up the rules as they go along (Wolverine's enhanced senses are only used when convenient). I simply dislike the way the film was made. I'm not frustrated because my own version is superior. It was bad. I love X-Men. But this was just...bad.
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it was a very well made film. so was xmen3
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I've resisted nit-picking power usage and comic book continuity, because the overall failure as a film is a better target, but since you bring up the sporadic use of Wolvie's powers...the whole movie is built upon the idea that this mutant who can smell miles away, smell fear and emotions, etc, couldn't smell that the blood on his dead girlfriend was fake. C'mon. That's akin to them making his claws unable to cut through sheet rock because it's convenient to have him stuck in a motel room.
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I was making the same point you just did. Sorry hangover.
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Your post just made me remember how they totally ignored one of his powers in order to lazily make the character's turning point possible.
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Especially in the lab where both Victor AND Silver Fox were present and he happened to be oblivious. Bolt's trailer at the carnival made me smile at least. And that was the highlight of the film for me.
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May 03, 2009 4:12:27 PM CDT
Loved the movie, but not sure wether i wanted it to succeed
by wolverines_leaky_workprint
because if it does well, it means wolverine sequels, but if it doesnt do well then that may mean the rights return to marvel, or at least reboot.
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My knowledge of IP rights isn't great, but I don't think Wolverine had a chance of reverting to Marvel. It seems like all Fox would have to do is give the character a cameo to retain rights, because they are still using the intellectual property. Even if there was a specific agreement that Wolverine had to be used in his own movie, which is doubt, Fox would just do what that studio did with Fantastic 4 in the '90s. They spent two mil to make a horrible film just so they could keep the rights. It was never intended to be released, just to be used as a pawn to meet contractual obligations. I've only ever seen the trailer, and it is fucking classic ("stretchy" arm just reaching in from off-camera to make it seem like Mr. Fantastic.)
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but did anyone else think that Ryan Reynolds was underused? I hate the guy, but loved his Deadpool when he could actually talk.
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compared to the new ones!
And about the portrayal of Wolverine's powers, the problem is that at some point you have to decide wether or not it makes sense to depict them exactly like in the comics. Especially since his healing factor has been portrayed quite over the top as of lately. Just thinking of this storyline by Marc Guggenheim where he ran around like
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I have seen this movie, as most of you have. I have not read one review praising it. This is complete bandwagon bullshit. I am not saying that the movie is good, but it is nowhere near bad enough to merit this uniform derision. Give me a fucking break.The Spirit gets love from some quarters, but not Wolverine? Okay.
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Just watched the youtube video of the 1994 FF4...you are right complete classic. The Thing fighting is so bad it's great. Do you know if they ever made a complete version of the film? It would be the stuff dreams are made of.
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That abortion that was Ang Lee's Hulk gets tons of apologists. I'm willing to bet that in three years you will have people claiming that they "always loved" this version of Wolverine. Where are you now, assholes?
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jackman loves the whole wolverine story and character but he was let down with the script , in years to come it will be revealed that jackman fell out with the diredctor about the whole feel of the film , and hopefully they will get a decent director for the sequel and it will rock , im hoping because this film is so bad its not even wothh discussing
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yeah there are some bootlegs of the
complete version out there, although in poor quality. It really wasn't that bad, at least they got to fight the Mole Man and Dr.Doom. Oh and the Thing looked about as realistic
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Knowles said in his review of Indy 4 that he was brought to fucking tears by how good it was. He has also loved every SINGLE movie he has ever reviewed, but this one gets a lukewarm response? I'm sorry, but I'm absolutely shocked at the level of hate that has greeted this film.
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From who? That movie is worse than Wolverine.
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he really likes playin the character and i like actors who are open-minded and not only into pretentious stuff. it makes me happy inside knowing that an actor had fun playing a certain character.
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The "story" is boring, the dialogue is laughable, even the special fx were pretty cheesy.
I hate the defense, "well what do you expect from a wolverine movie?"
How about I expect good film making from every movie whether it's a comic book movie or a biopic about Abraham Lincoln.
This movie is boring and badly written.
Also am I the only one that hated the fact Wolverine's hair was just Jackman's hair and didn't anything like it was supposed to? As in X-Men 1? -
...in theatres, but I guess here's my opinion as to why the last few movies aren't working in the X-Men series: They forget about the basics, and just go trying to stuff the films with fanboy button-pushing.
When I heard about the things they were going to do in X3, the thing that immediately came to mind was that they were taking the things that people liked from the second film, but unfortunately were forgetting the context. Jean Grey's sacrifice was such an emotional event because of all that built up to it. Her death itself wasn't inherently heart-wrenching; Singer could have screwed it up. Then Ratner goes and Kills off a whole bunch of nice characters. See! That piker Singer only killed off one major character! I've got THREE times the drama now!
But of course, it doesn't work that way, no more than putting in more of the novel's incidents into Red Dragon, and upping the Lector Quotient made that a better movie than Manhunter. Ratner doesn't get what Michael Mann or Bryan Singer get about movies: that the effects of things aren't linear, that more doesn't necessarily mean better.
Gavin Hood? Given that he directed two halfway well regarded movies before, I would say he might have some skill to put into the game, but it was just plain stupid to catapult any director up this far without figuring out whether they could paint on such a broad canvas, especially when it comes to non-real material, like that you find in comic book movies, science fiction, and fantasy.
You look at Nolan, Singer, Favreau, and others, and you'll see filmmakers who have a combination of good visual sense, and good Narrative Sense. They know how to build character arcs. They know how to make characters distinctive, and milk them for what they're worth. Let's recall Singer's The Usual Suspects. Let's recall Nolan's Memento. Let's remember Favreau's writing on Swingers.
Skill in storytelling, and knowledge of genre figures strongly into the quality of a movie. It also helps if your director has a decent visual imagination, and somebody, either he or his writers has a good sense of how to sell all the fantastic stuff and make it as cool as the audience would want it to be.
The stories have to be meaningful. One problem about Ghost Rider was how painfully obvious it was that the only reason those other demons were in the picture was to give the Rider some folks to defeat on the way to fighting Blackheart. I described it as Anime Filler villains- you know, folks the hero can defeat without learning and growing too much, because they can't have him learn or grow too much before the actual meat of the manga's story is taken up again. A similar problem haunts Electra's fights. More strange characters doesn't necessarily make for more time well used. If you're going to have groups, at least have the decency to make their battles meaningful, a part of the character's growth.
Ang Lee's The Hulk suffers from the problem that the director tries two different experiments at once: Banner's problem as a Greek Tragedy, the result of his father's meddling, and the graphic transitions that he's constantly employing. The action in the movie is pretty good, but the imperfect melding of different parts robs the whole of its power. Louis Letterier's The Incredible Hulk does a much better job because it's got a much cleaner, concentrated arc of events. It doesn't try to do three or four unrelated things at once, rather, it ties together multiple but related elements together so that they work decently as whole.
I think the important thing to keep in mind is that there is a manageable middle-ground between a film that appeals to the fans of the comics and films that appeal to the audience that could care less about them. As I've combed through wikipedia entries about the characters in the Marvel and DC lines, the complexity and sheer self-contradictory mass of different stories is readily apparent. There are all kinds of different versions of nearly every flagship character, and nearly every character's been killed once, if not changed in some life altering way. If you went by the comics trying to create a film that was faithful to it all, you would go out of your mind, and your audience would likely be mystified. It'd be a joke in many cases. Comic Books are like soap operas, perpetually balanced between the needs of keeping a storyline going, and the fact that characters can only develop so far before they become unrecognizable or boring. To be honest, that's one reason I'm a big fan of the finite stories in some Manga and animes. There's a point where everybody can step off the train and agree that it was a good ride! (Or not ;-])
So here is what I would say: let it work as motion picture and dramatic storytelling first, whether you remain faithful or make departures. -
Several times in the film we have Hugh Jackman down on one knee, sitting on the floor or even standing whilst doing an impersonation of a man with a migraine - and this is Hood's idea of getting his lead actor to emote 'internal anguish and emotional turmoil'. And don't bother laying the blame at Jackman's door on this one, because Singer was able to get him to emote using only his eyes in parts of 'X-Men'. The failure lies with Hood I'm afraid. Poor direction.
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One of the best Talkback posts I've ever read. Well thought out, nicely written and making a relevant point. Nice work mate.
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I hope you get more of it.
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I really wish Capone was running AICN. It would be a much better site than it has degenerated into.
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I say that because I'm a fan of the guy, out of total respect. I've seen The FOuntain (EASILY the best thing he's ever done) and I know he can be a fine fine actor when called upon. The unfortunate reality here is Jackman was a producer, so he is every bit at fault as anyone else, Tom Rothmana nd Gavin Hood included. He doesn't love the story, he has no clear understanding of it whatsoever. The plot is a frankenstein hidgepodge melding together of events in Wolverines life with no glue or connective tissue to bind them. It's like reading off a list. Moreover when those events occur they aren't given any dramatic weight or they are twisted so far out of context they arent recognizable. Thats when they arent just making shit up out of the clear blue sky. I dont mind a bit of invention, God knows Logans origin in the comics has been shit for a long time, but that doesn't give you carte blanche to throw in ridiculous sub cartoon garbage like memory killing bullets and Gambit the sherpie. NONE of it works. On ANY level. It's vapid garbage only a 7 year old could enjoy. Moreover Jackmans performance is nothing even close to Wolverine. He's a total blank slate in the film, closer to Cyclops by far than Wolverine. Sorry, but at this point Jackmans gotta go.
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May 03, 2009 9:42:53 PM CDT
yeah well it doesnt matter cuz it made eleventy billion dollars
by bmacsmith
expect more crap on the way, because as long as this crap keeps making money, they will keep shitting it out.
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as Old Man Logan!
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in Hulk vs. Wolverine. And put him in the brown and tan suit. Fuck you FOX.
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After hearing all of the negativity, I went and saw it for myself and had a pretty good time.
Does it trash the established canon of the comic books? Oh hell yeah. But then again, show me a single comic book movie that has remained faithful to the source material. (Watchmen tried the hardest, and it was boring as fuck)
Being from New Orleans, I was listening close for an accent from Gambit, and barely heard one. I did think the fight scenes with Gambit were cool, though.
And the inclusion of Cyclops I could have done without... made me feel like I was watching a Star Wars prequel.
Sure, I would have loved to have seen Wolvie for what he was... Weapon X, agenct of the Canadian government, member of Alpha Flight, sent to hunt down and kill the Hulk, yadda, yadda, yadda... that storyline does not exist in the movies.
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But my nephew really wanted me to take him, and i promised.
Sure there were some retarded parts... but there always is in these type of movies.
Bottom line... i liked it.
Although you could tell the ending was tacked on. Jackmans hair was shorter, and even some of the other characters clothing was different from what should have been only a few hours time.
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Seriously, talk about overly harsh critiques of a damn good movie, I think too many of you sit around wishing you could direct. I enjoyed the movie and it was easily better than the 3rd X-Men flick, which was crap.
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May 04, 2009 12:57:12 AM CDT
Cyclops gets taken by Sinister and put in stasis shortly after t
by dailysportspages
Thats why his age is off by a good 10 years... there you just fixed continuity with the X-Men movie.
This can all be explained in Cyclops Origin.
Or in the new X-Men prequel being planned where we can watch Cyclops and Emma Frost as part of the first students in Xaviers academy.
Sinister can be the villain.
Or maybe a feral Wolverine?
:D
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It is truly shocking just how BAD Wolverine is. A movie made by all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons. Fox is the new Troma, minus the credibility. Felt sorry for Liev Schreiber, the only one who brought anything to the table. The rest was opportunistic dreck. Even Patrick Stewart's two seconds on screen looked apologetic. Two thumbs down for Hugh Jackman's vanity project.
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May 04, 2009 4:25:45 AM CDT
I actually have a full copy of the 1994 Fantastic Four on VHS
by drave117
I took a video production class in high school, and my teacher was friends with the director. He let me bootleg it. It's really as bad as everyone says.
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i thought liev was good and ryan reynolds for the first 10 mins,its painful to watch a movie like that when you know it could of been awesome ohwell if only marvel had the rights to there films bullshit like this wouldint be out there.
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you can't catch swine flu from hookers. I checked into it, and most hookers agree. Just stay away from the ones who won't put on the Chewbacca costumes. Prudes. Second: You guys keep bitching about how if Marvel had had the rights to Wolverine, we'd all have left the theatre in orgasms. Did any of you actually see The Incredible Hulk?
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That Iron Man, Hellboy II, Spiderman 2, Sin City, The Dark Knight, and Watchmen exist. I mean that is the only way this movie can be good. If you just erase all those films from your memory. We go back to the first X-Men film when we forgave short comings just because we were grateful to see the comics on the big screen.
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The story around the moose turd pie is actually pretty interesting. Back in the old west days, a guy goes to work on the rail road. It's a shitty job. A lot of work. Back breaking day. Crappy paycheck. He staggers back to camp exhausted and dirty, only to be treated to a horrible dinner, almost unpalatable. He loudly proclaims "THIS FOOD TASTES LIKE SHIT!". The cook yanks off his apron and throws it on the guy. "Good luck, buddy," he says. "You're the new cook". The guy discovers that cooking is actually worse than working. So that morning he wanders out into the forest and finds the biggest, steaming fresh moose turd he can find, and he bakes it into a beautiful pie with the perfect flaky crust. The guys working on the rail road stagger back to camp and they're all happy to see a beautiful set of pies for dinner. One guy takes a huge spoonful and shoves it into his mouth. "HOLY SHIT, this is moose turd pie!.... but it's good." My dad told that story to me when I was a kid to illustrate that I should shut the fuck up if I'm not willing or able to get in and fix whatever it is I'm bitching about. So we all bitch and whine and complain about Wolverine. What can we do to fix it? It's already made 87million dollars so the public has spoken. We're all at the mercy of Hollywood when it comes to these types of well established beloved characters. The fact is, the fans are in the minority and all we can do is hope and pray that our favorite [insert character here] is passed on to a decent writing and directing team. None of us are in the position to dictate that directing/writing team, that's why I don't get all worked up. It's pointless. All I can do is support the current Wolverine and HOPE that the next one is better. I said I liked the movie, I did. It was like another installment of the comic book except this time it's on the big screen with live actors. Even the fans have to admit not all the Wolverine stories have been good, but we move on and hope that the next one will be.
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I actually liked the film and thought it was really well done...much better than I expected. The action and effects were great. The only really bothersome thing being that they used a Hollywood Wax Museum figure of Professor X rather than the quality CGI work they did in the less than stellar X3. All in all screw you wanna be still living at home with momma geek whiners that have nothing better to do than bitch about someone's accomplishments and work product. Go back to your comics and screaming for mommy to buy more fruit loops and pop tarts.
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Ok..you guys correct me if I'm wrong but DC had a basically omnipotent character in Molecule Man. Basically, he could convert any matter and energy to any other energy or matter. He could literally unmake the universe itself. He could turn any weapon to air before it struck him, etc. But he was not remotely omnipotent in the comic and why? He's got some severe mental problems, neuroses out the ass, etc. His own inner turmoil is his 'kryptonite'.One of the things I'm liking in the Whedon Astonishing is the notion of Beast looking to take the cure not to be normal but because he feel he might be 'devolving' towards a more feral state and would loose the things he loves, using his mind, his friends, etc. I think this would be an aspect of contention with Wolverine as well. How he really is a berserker and not a crying guy who yells at people. He's on the verge of a murderous rampage almost every time he goes into heavy combat. As in the possibility of killing someone he loves. Someone wrote that in the house scene with Prof X that Wolvie would have gone totally berserk and destroyed the house and likely the neighborhood.THAT is what makes him interesting. His seeming physical omnipotence is balanced out by his mental scarring, battling id, and loss of memory. He doesn't know if he's the monster raging beneath the surface or the collected warrior/samurai with fury disciplined to a fine edge for combat prowess.True, it's not really enough to make him the quasi main character for 4 movies, but certainly there's enough there for talented script writers to give us something? Look at Singer's approach with the whole gay thing, being an outsider, being the object of fear and ridicule, etc...was that featured in the comic? There's always material there if you care to, or are talented enough, to find it...usually.
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the whole family enjoyed it, a bit less than Iron Man, but definitely more than the TDK-which everyone felt was too much of a downer and WAY overhyped, next up Star Trek its going to be a great summer
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is to completely remove all expectations. and the only way i worked that one out, is by watching the first three, with my love of x-men on my sleeve (now giz) and my expectations set high. Thoroughly dashed by the lack of any quality action sequences, i was able to remove or perhaps i had my expectations removed for me, THANKS FOX!
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They're inclined to focus on the bad stuff in the movie, just because they didn't get invited to the press-screening and Harry is too cheap to pay for a ticket himself. I saw the movie yesterday - it's a a good movie! Not as good as X2 but better than X3, and it certainly playes its role as a tone-setting prequel better than any of the Star Wars movies did!
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This movie paid a lot of folks to do a half assed job.
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Just forget everything you know about X-Men and you can enjoy an average (albeit stupid) action film. Just to clarify: X-Men 2 is great, X-Men is good, X-Men 3 stinks and so does this Wolverine.
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Sucked hard, baby. I concur with the "haterz" on this one.
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