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Harry saw WOLVERINE this afternoon... I think I need a nap...
SPOILER ALERT !!
WOLVERINE isn't an embarrassingly awful film, not for me. It doesn't make me feel embarrassed to like X-MEN comics or the character of the Wolverine... It just feels limp, empty and completely lacking in satisfaction. That said, it is much better than the draft i had read that made me fear for even worse.
Years ago - I remember reading an early draft of X-MEN that was being developed by Fox and Bryan Singer. The single biggest problem in that script was the fact that WOLVERINE was devoid of anything that made him even come close to being Wolverine. Thankfully, they addressed a lot of that and to me - the best Wolverine on camera thus far is his introduction scene in the bar, when Rogue comes across him. There's a "don't fuck with me" attitude that was truly cool. Before going to WOLVERINE, earlier this week I revisted the original two X-MEN films, and then that thing that Apparently ended X-MEN.
This latest WOLVERINE story is not as offensive as that for me, simply because I've never given a shit about Wolverine's origins. Whereas the Phoenix story is something I absolutely love. That said, it kills me that WOLVERINE is such a lifeless character, especially because I love Hugh Jackman. He's cool. But the Hugh Jackman Wolverine reminds me very much of the Pierce Brosnan James Bond. It has just never been as brilliant as its own casting. The character has been reduced to a killer smile, awkward clumsiness and squenching up his forehead and screaming. There really is nothing more to his character. Sure he has a brother, but other than running and killing, there's nothing else these brothers seem to have ever done. The "best" aspect of the new film is the opening credits sequence which establishes that they've been killing for about a century or more. BUT - that's it. What'd they do in the long periods between conflicts? What made these two strange men so patriotic that they'd fight repeatedly for their country? What was it about their American experience that made them go to war? They don't seem to have any military tradition in their family background. What purpose did it do to advance their characters? Are they particularly brave? I mean, they can't die, so it isn't anything for them to go to war, it just gives them a chance to kill men that are bravely fighting.
Now - what about Wolverine's savagery - perhaps this opening montage would show off his awesome rage and furor? But, no - this is just a credit sequence they thought would be BADASS, but it doesn't really advance the story other than Chronologically - and without really building a bond between the two brothers. What if they had families they were fighting to avenge in the Civil War? Just anything to give them ANY motivation.
Throughout this sequence, we just see how Wolverine is seemingly disgusted by violence, doing it as a reflex action to protect and join his brother, but what does his brother do to turn him? Well, he's one of those Vietnam helicopter gunners ala THE KILLING FIELDS gunning folks down from up on high - but we never see that - we just see him firing the gun. He apparently rips the guts out of commanding officer, but we don't see that either, we don't even hear a sound effect. His hand isn't even bloody, muddy or anything. So it gives the impact of a punch, but not a death.
So much of this movie is flaccid like this. There's an intent of action, but no real reality. There's nothing to advance characters, relationships or empathy with anything going on on screen. Remember how quickly and easily Singer bonded Wolverine with Rogue? Well, after Logan walks from Nigeria to the Canadian Rockies where he has a picturesque cabin. Its all just there.
Did he build it? Buy it? How long has he been with the woman there? How'd they meet? How deep has their relationship gone. They tell us that they love each other, but it isn't shown. She teaches school apparently, but how did the school teacher meet the most lethal badass in comic history? Was it a bar? What was that moment like when Logan revealed his true self to her. That he's an ageless eternal with bone claws that can never die?
I know, I know. There's no time for love Dr Jones. Well, there better damn well be some time for it, because she's the entire lynchpin for the entire fucking movie. She's the thing that makes him turn himself into Weapon X, that makes him hand himself over to someone he despises with the express purposes of killing his brother... hmmm... Too bad she comes across as the girl he's shacked up with. How hard was it to establish their relationship, instead of a visual effects sequence showing Wolverine fighting through time. Sure it isn't as embeddable, but had they just used that time to make us care. This film could have been the mutant badass version of THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES. But no. There's no interest in actually sculpting a real character out of Wolverine or any of the other characters in the film.
This is an action figure movie. A slurpee cup flick, where it's far more important to just have the characters do something eye-popping, not actually human. Oh sure, these are not humans, they're mutants... and apparently the mutant power they all have is the ability to make me not give a shit. BUT, I do give a shit, because I've been reading comics since I learned to read.
More than that - I like Hugh Jackman. I want him to be the best Wolverine he can be, although - with the double feature I saw - there's a part of me that would prefer to see James Purefoy take over the character, because everything that I would love to see Wolverine be, I saw in Solomon Kane today, only more religious.
The oddest thing about WOLVERINE is that the film looks cheap, but we all know the budget was apparently somewhere over 140 million. I don't really care how much a film costs - except when it isn't on screen. WOLVERINE looks like it cost about 1/3rd of what X2 cost and easily half of X3. That the best moment of action in the entire film is that helicopter shot that we've been seeing from the beginning... well, I've seen it so many times in trailers and everything else that assumed there had to be bigger stuff. I'm sure the filmmakers must've thought the Sabretooth/Wolverine/Deadpool fight would be bigger, but it just comes across as goofy. And when you give all your characters superhuman healing powers, I find it very odd that all Wolvie does is stab. I mean - wouldn't he do a mid-section slice and push to disengage torso from legs? Cut off an arm? Fingers? An ear? An ankle?
If you don't ask for much of anything from your WOLVERINE film - go on, see it. You've seen worse. You've seen Electra and X3. Though I'm gonna rewatch X3 again today - because I am sort of on the fence about WOLVERINE being better than X3. The effects are so bad with his digital claws, it really annoys the hell out of me. And the Professor X young effects look about 30 times worse than they did in X3, where I thought they were kinda remarkable, especially on McKellen.
God damn. This movie makes me say nice things about X3. Didn't see that one coming.
Now - I know... a lot of you are feeling like - well, I went into this with the big hate on for the film. But ya know... When I pulled up to the Alamo South today - I saw about 14 cars empty and approach the Drafthouse - as the doors were just opening. They were smiling and happy. There was a new WOLVERINE movie. I got in line with them to buy my tickets, I approached the box office and the ticket guy was all set to comp me, but I said, "No, I'll pay for this one."
I saw my first movie of the day, and Dad, Quint and I all come out smiling and happy. We're standing in the hallway chatting about the film, the stuff we loved, the stuff that we just liked. You know, that post film conversation we all have with our friends - when Wolverine's first show let out. The first 60 or so people that came out. Absolutely solemn. Then a couple of openly disgusted folks. Then the big crowd that stuck around for the post-film scene. And the first of that group came out, and they were smiling and I said to Quint - "Ah, the people that liked it!" and then the person smiling says to their friend, "That was so fucking lame!" OH NO.
At my screening, when the shot glass hits the bar empty - someone yelled out for everyone to be quiet, because there was your normal emptying of the theater chatter. The whole theater goes silent. The scene plays out and someone screams out, "You've gotta be fucking kidding!"
Sigh. This is that sort of experience. If you go to pay to see WOLVERINE, it won't just be money you'll be paying with.
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The movie was crap. I went to check it out and couldn't believe what shit it was. Ryan Reynolds was the only redeeming part of the movie, even though it was a brief appearance. And I'm only talking about his few scenes in the beginning of the movie. Utter crap. Fox should be ashamed of themselves.
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Sorry man. At least Trek will be cool.
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Dude...didn't you say yesterday you weren't going to review it? Stick to your guns and these talkback trolls won't have ammo.
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May 01, 2009 5:56:00 PM CDT
....Time to start working on that CABLE flick....anybody have an
by goodtimebobby
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I want to smack them in their idiotic faces.
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...have any ideas on who to cast as ROB LIEFELD?
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May 01, 2009 5:58:39 PM CDT
To bad Moriarty couldn;t get a leaked version of the screenplay.
by goodtimebobby
...so he could bad mouth the creators so bad that they had second thoughts and hired another writer!
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You should have stuck with your initial instinct.
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new AICN catchphrase? Should also be applied to TRANSFORMERS 2 and G.I.JOE.
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May 01, 2009 6:01:56 PM CDT
Its too late Harry! You already buried yourself
by dannyglovers__dickblood
Lets go back to the fucking HUGE pile of shit that was War Of the Worlds!! Hmm AICN on set exclusive and makes harrys top ten ignoring the fact that it was a steaming hot pile of fucking garbage!!!! Jesus Christ Harry is THE worst critic ever and has - zero integrity. Twilight? Indy4? King Kong? speaking of i love how he goes back now and gives it the smallest criticism! Seriously!! Harry your a fucking HACK critic! You are the Carlos Mencia of Film Critics. HOw about Watchmen? Am i alone here when yeah it was ok and yes just OK at best but FUCK for the 3 months prior you couldnt come here without seeing the name in at least 8 headings on the main page! Its like product placement and ASS kissing at its worst and Star Trek might even be worse!! I am no trek fan by any means but enjoy a few of them and I am boycoting it simply cuz Harry sucks the dick of it so much!! Is this site Aint it fanboy cocksucking and let me get a set visit news or what?!! Fuck!!! If your not sucking a directors fucking cock for an exclusive than your just taking news from worthy sites like darkhorizons 3 days after they post it. Im drawing a blank here but what do they call in the radio business where they pay the dj to play their song more? Thats is exactly what this site is now!!! Its fucking ridiculous!! Some of the fucking absolute garbage that you endorse just cause you go to see how bad it was in person is fucking beyond ridiuculous!! Honestly i had no desire to see this movie baed on how bad X3 was but part of me wants to just to make it money to let fox. I'd be embarrassed if i were harry to write such a thing as i wont see a movie cause fox wont let me see it free. Fuck even though Fox put out suck a piec of shit at least they can say fuck you to harry and get a rise out of him! This site is a fucking joke plain and simple and this secures it in all its glory. Harry is a fucking Fag and i mean no disrespect to gay people cuz they dont deserve to be on Harrys level who will buy a film cell of the shittiest movie ever just cause the director let him see a snippet of a film. Your fucking pathetic Harry!! Im sick to my stomach about taking anything you ever said serious! God i could on and on! P.S. The whole time in my impersonating the real DGDB the only thing he ever banned or took down was when i said that being in a wheelchair was Profeesional! HAHAHAHA God you a are Fucking ginger loser whose to fat to fucking do anything but suck cock of directors who let you on set. UGH end o rant!!! Please dont ever let him live this down.
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You didn't get invited to the screening, so you threw a tantrum. With all the shit AICN talks about Fox, what did you expect? But you just had to throw your little tantrum...
Oh and I love the reasons you gave for not wanting to see it: I don't want to waste my money!!! $12 for a movie ticket will completely diminish all my assets!! The reviews are sooo bad, I know I won't like it...
First of all, everyone else is the world (including a lot of people who make a lot less than you)is paying for their ticket. So where the hell do you come from being offended by the fact that you'll have to shell out $12 for a ticket (thats how much it costs in NYC, I'm assuming its not more in Texas) Are you really going to miss that $12? Second of all, I seem to remember you liking Alexander and The Hunted quite a bit... Didn't both of those films get terrible reviews??? But yea, mentioning bad reviews seems totally disingenuous, seeing as you've probably watched a lot of shitty movies in your life.
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would have been an excellent choice. He owned HBO's Rome every second he was on screen and would have been a great Wolvernine.
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First you say you won't see, and now you do. I'll lay money down (at least half a dollar) that you watched the workprint.
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The fact that you saw it anyhow after declaring not wanting to see it, will give you a ton of heat.
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X3 may be nowhere near the quality of X2, it really is a bad example of how to make a superhero flick, but Wolverine is far worse because it doesn't have the cast and effects to fall back on like X3. The Golden Gate Bridge scene alone was worth X3 being made. It felt like it had a point and was an advancement. Wolverine, from the get go, feels like it should never have been made, that it never needed to exist. It's half-assed, and that's something a movie like this simply cannot be or else it's gonna fall at the first fence like your mom trying to run away from your dad when he's been on the sauce. You know that nothing good can come from your dad catching your mom when he's in that state. That's why Wolverine shouldn't have been made - the signs were there from word go, things were gonna get ugly.
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And no-one really gives a fuck about a characters backstory.
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"I approached the box office and the ticket guy was all set to comp me, but I said, "No, I'll pay for this one." .........How incredibly noble! Now you are doing what EVERYONE DOES and HAS TO FUCKING DO. What little respectability you had is gone, dude. This review only exists because you asked readers of the site to vote to determine if you should go to see the movie or not. Seriously...with the amount I bust my ass at work all day, every day, you make me fucking sick. You have a job watching movies and writing about them. Do exactly that. If I told my boss that I wasn't going to do come in for my shift on a particular day because it puts me in a bad mood to do so, I would be fucking canned and searching Craigslist for job postings. Fuck you. You fat fuck. You are worthless.
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with this campy expression on his face...it makes me want to hurt something
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Or is it a fat person scooter you use? Did the guy at the box office have to stand up and look over the counter down at you to see it was you? Do you have to sit in the aisle when you go to movies?
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May 01, 2009 6:13:20 PM CDT
I so wanted you to be wrong about this, but you were spot on.
by darth_bale
It's a film I'd rather they had not made Hugh Jackman must thought about the paycheck first rather than the character he helped imortalise on screen. Effects were well TV movie std, Writing sloppy but the biggest casulaty was the character development at times it felt they shoe horned too many characters in. People bitched about too many villains in SM3 this is worse. I don't know how they can turn this round if they want to continue maybe they need to give it back to Marvel, but thats unlikely as FOX will continue bleed this fucker dry. Not a good start to the summer box office. I never though I'd be writing this, so sad.
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Um...so, buried in there was the fact that there was a screening of Solomon Kane that you got to see? When is it getting released in the US? I am a major Robert E. Howard fan and have been since I was 5 years old and started reading the Conan stuff. Is the Alamo going to screen it here? Make it so, Harry!
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And I'm glad you did. Now together we can mourn. I appreciate how vocal you have been towards FOX for being arrogant and lazy regarding geek franchises. Please keep this up. Part of me hopes this fails hard so they don't make another... part of me hopes this makes tons of money so they can't blame internet file sharing and continue blaming us for their lack of adaptability to a new business model. Suck one FOX.
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go 'head 'n bash away.But, please Harry, don't pull such unprofessional crap as you did in that previous post again.Very disappointing.
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And the anguished yelling at the sky when a loved one buys it is getting stale.
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Oddly cheap looking. Don McAlpine is a great DP, but something went wrong with the locations and sets. I'm fucking shocked at how little X2 cost to make. It really goes to show just how important it is to have actual TALENT behind the camera.
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Good read.
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but who cares? this franchise is done. hopefully. actually im sure the masses will buy tickets anyway.
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Seriously what the F! He ain't a werewolf, sloppy.
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seriously.
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For the X-MEN taking place?
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You know, you can tell your little stories about people dissing on the movie as they leave, but it's really about what you want to hear. I went to see at the Cinemark South Park Meadows near my house, and there were about 30 or so people in there for the 1:15. People said openly they liked it especially when we all got into a conversation about the "tags" with the theater workers. They told us each of the different ones. I saw the Wolverine ending.
Not to mention, after 7,000 something votes it has a 7 average on IMDb. Wow, that's on the level with BLART, right?
Fucking movie snobs man. And this Purefoy bullshit. Seriously? Just because you saw some movie no one gives a shit about you're going to try and put this dude in the Wolverine role? Talk about opportunistic.
And if there's one thing I've learned about the Alamo, it's a great fucking theater, but there are some fucking uppity movie snob assholes who attend that place like it's a church. Like you. The normal folk I attended my movie with will be the ones who give it a good weekend, that is unless all the hate spewed at it on the internet hurts it. -
May 01, 2009 6:19:07 PM CDT
Go see Transformers 2 - Bay will fuck your eyes & eardrums.
by scriptgirl_nipples
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Plus: Your reviews seem to be more readable when you're not excited about the movie.Go figure.
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May 01, 2009 6:20:26 PM CDT
"it just gives them a chance to kill men that are bravely fighti
by mike_d
wow, never thought of it that way before. your a pretty negative person Harry.
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Wasn't great, but certainly nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be. Sure, I guess I'd be pissed if I was familiar with Deadpool, but I would think the post-credit sequence makes up for things a little. Still, Fox really needs to do a Logan-less X-flick for once if Marvel can't manage to get the property away from them.
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...because that was some TERRIBLE writing. Learn to punctuate, Harry. Learn to punctuate. I will never understand why you stick dashes in every freakin' sentence instead of the commas that are supposed to be there. It's really quite stupid.
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May 01, 2009 6:27:23 PM CDT
FOX: please sell your comic book properties back to Marvel
by captain_bligh
PLEASE SELL X-MEN, FANTASTIC FOUR and DAREDEVIL back to Marvel! PLEASE!!!!
You've ruined every property you've touched. You have officially tarnished the following icons: Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Daredevil, Wolverine, Deadpool, Elektra, Cyclops is dead, Pheonix saga is out of the question. WTF is left? And now you plan on making an X-Men: First Clas? Why? Here's film business 101:
Shitty Blockbuster = big opening $$ + quick fall off + bitter fan sentiment
Great Blockbuster = biggest opening $$ + legs + fan salivation
WTF dont you get? How have you missed the mark so many times? By law of averages you should have gotten a film right since Bryan Singer left. PLEASE SELL YOUR MARVEL PROPERTIES BACK. PLEASE!!! -
... but Hugh Jackman in this film. If there's anything that's good about it, then it's Hugh. The dude is trying real hard to do this shit right, but the filmmakers are doing all they can to fuck it up.
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May 01, 2009 6:30:13 PM CDT
SEEN IT NOW HAVE YOU ? YOU FAT WEEPING BITCH !!!
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
WHY DO YOU PRETEND LIKE YOU NEVER SAW THE WORKPRINT ? YOU IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUT. YOU KNEW RIGHT FROM THE START THAT THE WORKPRINT WAS IDENTICAL TO THE THEATRICAL RELEASE. AND YE YOU POSTED A SHITTY STORY EARLIER STATEING IM NOT GOING TO BOTHER REVIEWING IT BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT SOW IT EARLY ? WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ? YOU KNEW A MONTH AGO HOW FOX HAD BUTCHERD THE FUCK OUT OF THIS FRANCHISE AND FURTHER MORE YOU KNEW EXACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED ON SET BETWEEN HOOD AND FOX EXECS. YOU SIT IN YOUR METAL WHEEL MACHINE RANTING AND RAVING AND GIVING PISS POOR CRITISM ON VARIOUS THINGS THAT IN SOME CASES ARNT EVEN RELATED TO MOVIES AND THE VISUAL MEDIUM. (YOUR FANTASTIC 4 SILVER SURFER REVIEW IS AN ONLINE LEGEND NOW) YOU ARE TOTALY CLUELESS YOU ARE POINTLESS. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN NETWORK DOESNT MAKE YOU GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO. IN FACT YOUR ONE OF THE WORST CRITICS THAT HAS EVER DRAWN BREATH.
GO SUCK ELI ROTHS COCK. MY REVIEW OF YOUR CRITISM... FUCK YOU OUT OF 10.
ps hope your well harry and that the rubber hose pipe around your guts is keeping out all donuts.
and your john carter take sucked! SUXKED SUCKED SUCKED
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Yeah, as if Knowles was ever NOT going to see this. If Harry saw a lump of dog shit on the ground with whip cream on it he’d start eating it as if it was Monica Bellucci’s pussy!!!NOM NOM NOM!!!
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Cuz next weekend everybody will smell the spores and be in a Star Trek opiate euphoria. Good vibes will infect these talkbacks like H1N1 . It's going to be boring as shit. Hate it up, fuzzballs!
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this episode was to harry what tru loved was to ebert. lesson learned. reviewers need to review movies.
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Other then IMDB theirs almost nothing about it. I can't even find a trailer, let alone where it's playing.
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http://metiphis.mybrute.com/cellule
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Movie looks crappy. I'll wait for the DVD.
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I mean I have no wish to see it but X3 is better than it??? Holy shit..
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Trying to make it sound like you paid SOOO much for your ticket. Wow thats really lame.
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Yeah, I've been waiting for it for a long time and I noticed IMDB said it was released in Greece in March...
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they made the same mistakes that were made in X3 and spiderman 3
Tried to cram too many characters in at the expense of story and character development
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It's too late in the game. If you skipped Wolverine, they would have called you a pouting hypocrite and now that you've seen it, they call you...a pouting hypocrite. Hopefully you don't take it too personal. I don't even think you could have escaped criticism if youd gone to a $2 theater...but it would have been better than contributing 4 extra bucks to Fox's continuing tantrum-rape of their Marvel properties.
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I mean, I know the pathetic turd will just come back with a new name, but at least all of his old spam posts will disappear.fucking idiot.
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How honourable of you to pay $6, you moron, Harry. Most biased review, ever.
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May 01, 2009 7:07:02 PM CDT
HARRY WHEN IS YOUR IMPORT WIFE GOING TO DO ANOTHER ARTICAL ?
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
CUS SHES MORE TALENTED THAN YOU. YOU IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUT. SITTING IN YOUR ROBOT WARS WHEEL MACHINE LIKE JABBA IN HIS PALACE. HOW ARE THE BED SORES ? YOU FAT WEEPING BITCH ? OUT OF INTERST HOW MUC DID YOKO COST TO IMPORT ? AND WAS SHE OVER 10 YEARS OLD WHEN YOU BOUGHT HER ? AND HOW DO YOU FUCK HER ? TELL US ALL HOW YOU FUCK ! YOU SHOULD GET YOKO TO START REVIEWING YOUR SEX LIFE ON THIS SITE ? WE COULD CALL IT " HOW TO STRADDLE A CORPSE" YOU SHOULD GET ON THAT (PUN INTENDED)
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The picture showed 2 tickets, one for 8 bucks an another for 6 bucks. Obviously his father received the Senior citizens discount, and attained his ticket for $6. I'm positive you knew that, obviously you're just trolling.
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They'd have joined the Canadian army: I think they just liked fighting and figured the USA would get bigger wars. I don't know if it was just the projection at my theater but this was a grimy looking movie, muddy colours. I think they were trying to do for the colour brown what X-Men and X2 did for blue. Dumb really. But I kind of like that we live in a world where a Wolverine movie can get made - maybe when Marvel gets the franchise back we'll get a good one.
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I can't get up off the floor until I stop laughing so hard - metaphorically, this is.
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You fucking bunch of hand trucks... I hope a lot of people get ball cancer who worked on this movie.
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They all just wish they had your job. =)
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At least he's still alive.
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Seriously. Not many people will agree his "reasoning" behind not seeing the film yesterday. But that shouldn't give people the right to bash him to the 9th circle of hell.
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That's hilarious. Well done.
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I think it was their animalistic nature and bloodlust that made them fight in the wars. Besides, that's just what you DID back then. And if you're indestructible? Seems to me to be a no-brainer. I don't think we need to see THAT kind of Origin onscreen, Harry. And if you want to see something like that, you're worse than the screenwriters.
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all freaks. Like lunatic-level hysteria here. Have a beer and watch the sun set or something. Maybe put on a Paul Simon album. Go swimming after dark. Take a tylenol and get an ice-cream cone. Fucking wackos.
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i second the motion for everyone to chill the fuck out.
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Funny as fuck.
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Been reading comics for 25 years or so, it had faults, like most movies, but it was entertaining as an action film "trying" to have some depth. Saw it in a packed cinema on wednesday night, with some obvious Wolverine fans amonst the crowd. It had a great reception, and the "fans" loved what the after the credits scene seemed to say was in store for another movie. As for Jackman, I'm not sure you could get a better Wolverine. I know he's not 5'3" or whatever shortness the original (not Ultimate) Wolverine was but he's been outstanding in his portrayl (mostly) over the 4 movies.
Now, of course, after saying most people will see it as a solid or better action / sci-fi film you have to adress it as a comic book film, as in how good is it at taking trhe different aspects of his origin, from many retellings over the past 30 years. Well sure here it feels kind of like the Abyss... I mean where there's a coherent film there but it feels like something's missing. In the Abyss it's the fleshing out of the "sub plot", in Wolverine it's the abrupt appearances / disapperances of the weapon x (team x) members, and as Harry points ou more depth in the relationship between Victor and Logan, and Logan and Silverfox. There are several moments where you could almost see the editor slicing out chunks of exposition and charater detail to shorten the time between action scenes. It has the feel of a movie with 30 minutes or more waiting to be added in a "director's cut".
Marvel need to get the rights back from fox, because it's clear that despite the success the X-men films have had they just don't have the trust to spend the money and TIME it takes to do these films right. X-men and X2 are successes DESPITE the restritions on time and budget. x3 was rescued from the brink of total disaster (some unlikely credit to Ratner for getting any kind of film out of that mess).
I think we have to remember that there are always at least 2 movies when other media are turned into films. The film that most moviegoers see, in other words the film that is JUST a film because those in the overwhelming majority have NEVER read the book or the comic / play / tv show etc; and those in the minnority (us) who hold the movies to a higher standard, because we know what the movies COULD have been had they just turned left here, left this out, put the other in. I know a lot of people, none of whom have read a superheroe comic in their lives, who think X3 is the best xman film. It isn't, but they see more action, death, explosions effects (golden gate scene is very good. We see a film that tries to cram a Lord of the rings sized story arc into the SUB-PLOT of another story!!!!! Not just into one film (you'd think it'd fill at least 2 done correctly ), but the fucking SUB-PLOT.
Anyway, fans will probably have a hard time with this movie, although as I've said I know a few (and saw many at mthe showing I went to) who liked the movie a lot; the rest of the audience, and people I've talked to, or overheard seem to like it as well.
Cyclops was criminally wasted in the movies, ( one of the real low points from Singer not making x3, as I'm sure I remember him saying he was gonna make it up to James Marsden re him not being in x2 much)
Does anyone else think it might be cool to see Cyclops with James Marsden playing the present / recent past version and the kid (sorry can't be bothered going to IMDB to get his name) plaing the younger version. Of course it'd mean more scary, cgi youthed Prof X.
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Oh goooooooood for you.
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May 01, 2009 7:32:35 PM CDT
WHY DID JULIA ROBERTS RUB SHIT ALL OVER HER VAGINA ?
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
CUS SHE WAS HORNY.
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May 01, 2009 7:34:57 PM CDT
HARRY KNOWLES CHOSE IMAX BECAUSE...
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
ITS THE ONLY THEATER HE CAN FIT IN
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see what I did? I mixed the word *turd* with *turkey*
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It's a Turdkey
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I'll admit, that's a funny way to end the review. I think that should have been the final line in this review.
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May 01, 2009 7:35:42 PM CDT
If yout hink this film was trying to have depth you're a sucker
by industrykiller!
It wasn't int eh least. Sub soap opera bullshit is not a film trying for anything and failing, it's cynical assholes trying to trick morons into thinking they arent being tricked. The screenwriters didnt give a fuck about depth and didnt attempt for one second to imbue the film with any.
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Harry, stick to your guns next time. You took a shit earlier.......now you are eating it. Grow a pair!
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You go on with your demented self there, "Heath-penis." Fly that freak flag high, and wide.
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Jackman is trying to drag this film through by sheer force of will, and I see no reason (other than he will get older) to want anyone else to play Wolverine. Better people to write him for sure, but Hugh is fine. Make a trilogy shot back to back so his aging isn't an issue start in Japan, jump forward 30 years tothe "not too distan future" time period of the xmen movies, then jump forad to the mid 21st century with Sentinals and all that jazz.
Oh...
Wait..
Hang on..
Fox still own the rights, make that one sentinal, they can maybe spring the cash for 1 sentinal?
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Are you suggesting you COULD HAVE SEEN THIS FOR FREE?!? And yet you complained earlier and refused to see it? Is that it, Harry? Thank God you were so selfless and decided to pay for it yourself!
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A WIZARD OF COCKS AND SPERM. YOU IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUT, FUCK YOU AND YOUR SULKING CUS YOU COULDNT SEE IT EARLY, NOBODY COULD INCLUDEING DEVIN FARACI. YOUR A FAT WEEPING FUCKING SLAG CUNT SPERM BALLS COCK BITCH COCK MOTHERFUCKER
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Gosh, you know, like normal society does.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-cviOuT_Jw
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acted more like Wolverine than Wolverine in this movie.I thought Wolverine was supposed to be more ferocious and blood thirsty before joining the X-men.
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This talkback's entertainment value more than makes up for the inadequecies of this movie.
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I don't believe that you actually think the screenwriters are trying to trick everyone and *didn't* attempt to inject any depth into the film. Let's just be truthful and say they're not very good at their job. Or blame Rothman for micromanagement.
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You guys sure take whether or not he sees this movie seriously.
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That pretty much sums up my workday. Good night all!
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Sooo you've mentioned this film in this article--any chance of a full write-up on this screening??
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kept expecting him to say "How about a little 'Chazzle-Dazzle'!".
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May 01, 2009 7:58:58 PM CDT
Harry said the script was even WORSE than the movie Vader
by industrykiller!
That to me is screenwriters not giving a shit what ridiculously banal cliches they throw in so long as they get it done under deadline and get their paycheck. If they didnt mean outward malice by it then they at least didnt give a fuck.
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And you had to pay? Poor you. I actually enjoyed the film & I think that most audiences will. Definitely better than X3. The effects did seem slightly off with Xavier at the end...they spent too much time too close & that work had been done was too obvious, but overall, it was a fun popcorn flick.
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We dissagree. There's plenty out there that see it the way you do, and plenty that see it the way I do. Whilst I'm sure the law of averages means that some people on both sides will be suckers, morons or both, having either opinion does not automatically make someone a moron OR sucker. Neither does liking this film, (on any level, but especially the popcorn entertsinment one) make you a moron / idiot, anymore than not liking it makes you a genious, Ford like, Scorcesse Spielbergian filmmaster. They could have made a better film, hell thay could have made a better movie, but they damn sure could have made a much worse one as well.
The thing to do is hope they try harder next time. Star Trek will take a massive chunk out of Wolverin'e potential gross but It's looking like being a big hit, let's see if they listen to what "we" are saying is wrong with this film. But hey it's Fox. Anyone got a couple of billion $ lying around so we can buy Fox? Or maybe a few million so we can give the rights back to Marvel. Oh and burn all copies of the lamentable Fantastic 4 movies as well. -
I'm usually willing to give pple the benefit of the doubt, so I'm going with laziness and incompetence rather than maliciousness. And a general helping of bad, bad notes from producers.
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the angry dorks have tabled the motion to chill the fuck out.
I'll re-introduce it:
"All in favor of taking a midol and forgetting about fucking Wolverine and the astonishingly irrelevant question as to whether Harry is deteriorating the universe with his ranting flip-floppery say 'I'" -
Fuck this film, Fuck Fox, Fuck piece of shit Wolverine baskstory. I don't care & won't give this film sweat or time.
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1. That was the best review you've written in a while. You can tell you have a bit of passion behind it.
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May 01, 2009 8:12:44 PM CDT
Hey Asimov, in case you didn't realize, its not the real Danny
by d.vader
He's an impostor. He's got two underscores between his names.
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FUCK YOU CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT.
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Wolverine is not an American! 'nuff said.
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Don't give Fox and that ass-wipe Rothman, your fucking money.
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He's obviously a dipshit. And it looks like he's some paranoid schizophrenic with anger issues and a bathtub full of effervescent meth; it seems maggot-penis and son-of-dick-blood are the same trolling douchebag.
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Comic genius
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What happened? What was the deal with the shot glass?
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I can type stupid shit in all caps, too! -
CUNT! CUNT! CUNT! CUNT!
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Does noone moderate here? ban those pricks
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The American Canadian thing has always been a bit . . . weird . . looking from over here, but apparenlty there are (or at least used to be) plenty of occasions where American miliitary have had "operationa" in Canada. (So I've been told by incredibly unreliable sources).He's always been Canadian but but has fought wars alongside Americans; and of coourse joined the American Weapon x progam.
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Just to add confusion I'm sure he was in WWII with the Canadian military, when he fought alongside Captain America? Anyway the movieverse doesn't follow the comic universe exactly, and it shouldn't have to. That said he's Canadian and I think this movie at least got that right. -
It is really hilarious when Harry extols the virtues of paying for his own ticket. Oh, noble Sir, you refused having your ticket comped, you are truly an ethical virtuous person. You've become so enthralled in your own world, you believe that we give a shit about which movies you get to see early. We similarly don't want to hear your moralizing on watching screeners, as if it were even an important issue. Wolverine is a bland movie, especially when you think about all the great material they could have mined, but oh well. Harry, you could do a post about your choice of Yoplait yogurt flavors, and it would be just about as relevant as the shit that this movie has motivated you to post, except for this thoughtful review.
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Key Lime Pie!
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First and last post Harry. Sorry you had to reduce yourself to "our" level. All of your readers, myself included, always think we should get invited to watch every movie for free too. Unfortunately, our talent goes without notice. I guess we'll have to live with ourselves.
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bailing-out-of-a-worthless-talkback good!
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Some one else also brought this up. You've been reading comic since you learned to read, yet for some odd reason you never learned to write...
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It does two things.
1. sets up a link between the end of this movie and his ending up back in Canada in the "not to distant future" at the start of x-men.
2. Sets up what many fans have been virtually screaming for, a Wolverine in Japan movie.
Of course they'd have to find a wat toerase his memory again as he's clearly forgotten all but street brwler fighting skilss by the time we see him in x-men and he is badass super fighter in Japan, as I recall anyway. -
You got offered a free movie and you said, "No thanks, I'll get this one myself." Now you're out several bucks and might not be able to afford rent... but you sacrificed all to review Wolverine for us. Thanks man.
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Because if that's the case, I'm outta here.
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for DICKBLOOD?
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I dont know what you thought of the film, but the script was even worse. The dialogue was brutal. In the film itself the actors are obviously using hte script as a template and talking close to what human beings sound like. Especially Labeouf who is improving everything he says. I cant stand that film but you'll never hear me disparage the actors, who worked with what they had. Kurtzman and Orci are garbage and the fact that they are "It" screenwriters is frightening to the future of art.
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DONT YOU LIKE MY OPINIONS ? DONT MAKE ME BREAK OUT MY COCK AND WANK OFF IN YOUR FACES, LET ME GUESS YOUR THE TYPES THAT PISS AND MOAN ABOUT COMIC BOOK MOVIES 2 DONT LET THEM DO THAT TO DEADPOOL" yeh fucking DEADPOOL BOOO FUCKING HOOO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MAKE YOURSELVES THE "MORAL POLICE" MAKE ME SICK. YOUR AS BAD AS HARRY IN MY BOOK. FUCK ALL THOSE WHO DONT WANT TO HAVE MY GREATNESS FORCED UPON THERE LIVES. FUCKING FUCK THOSE MOTHERFUCKERS. YOU IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUTS. IM LEGEND AROUND HERE "FUCKING LEGEND MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA" I LAUGHED AND FUCKING LAUGHED. I AWAIT YOU REPLY. AND YEH CAPS RULE WHAT OF IT ?
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The Stryker gettting picked up and the Japan scene was in the workprint, but no Deadpool.
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LOUD NOISES I CAN TYPE STUPID IRRATIONAL SHIT TOO YOU SILLY SMELLY POOPY HEAD ARE YOU IN MIDDLE SCHOOL JUST ASKING WILL YOU GO TO THE PROM WITH ME I LIKE LEMONADE WITH EXTRA SUGAR AND BLUE WAS MY FAVORITE COLOR WHEN RADIOHEAD WAS MY FAVORITE BAND BUT NOW I ENJOY CIRCUS PEANUTS
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Wow Harry , Sounds like a personal problem
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After Moriarty left, and then the incredible decline in quality in regards to film news speed and accuracy, and then this fucking fiasco where the critics on this site refuse to pay to see it because of bad word of mouth...I mean, seriously, Harry writes like as if paying to see a movie deserves a fucking badge of honor. The talkbacks are the only reason I check out this site, for pure entertainment value. If he and the other Professionals have been banned and moved elsewhere, then there's no real reason to keep checking this site.
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Y'see, when you so it, it comes off as desperate and retarded. Dickblood and his kind seemed at least trying to be entertaining and at least his loud opinions were funny.
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The only way this even remotely represents the character of Wolverine, Sabertooth, Gambit, et al is in its name and IN ITS NAME ONLY. NOTHING in this film has a bloody fucking thing to do with the comic book. I dont care how long you've been reading comics, it seems who Wolverine is eludes you. jackman hasnt been playing Wolverine since about half way through the first film. in teh second film he's probably closer to Cyclops, in the third he IS Cyclops and in this he's a total blank slate as a character. A furrowed brow does not a Wolverine make. As for the plot elements, what does allude the comics is so watered down and glossed over that it's like human skin with no organs or skeleton in side being called a man. The excecution of all of this is poor. poorly shot, poorly acted, poorly paced, poorly edited, across the board its a horrible film bastardizing everything it purports to represent.
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I don't think the real dickblood would be banned. And my previous "Penis" post was intended not for you but for maggot-penis.
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...I'd recognize that safari scroll bar anywhere.
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enjoyed my all-caps post, and it's all about me.
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made me want to rip out my fucking eye balls. The fucking claws were awful. Distracting awful. Should have seen the work print.
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it's hard to keep everyone straight. It's like the George Forman house on Thanksgiving around here.
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There are too many Penises on these boards now that registration has reopened. Total sausage fest. I've been contemplating changing it.
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YOUR ASS, HARRYS COCK. YOUR MOUTH, MY SPERM. YOUR MOM, MY DOG. GO BACKFLIP OUT A FUCKING WINDOW YOU WASTE OF AIR, DISASTER MOVIE WAS GOOD WASNT IT LMAO. BLOW ME YOU FUCKING CUNT.
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May 01, 2009 8:51:30 PM CDT
And yeah U.K. Star not seeing sappy cliches that have...
by industrykiller!
been in a hundred thousand other B-level sub straight to video Seagal action films for what they are makes you a sucker. If the screenwriters are scraping what is generally known as the BOTTOM of the idea barrell and not only that but doing it without an ounce of finesse or subtlety and you STILL can't see the forrest from the trees and are in fact entertained by it then yeah, you're a fucking sucker and/or a moron. Straight up, not gonna sugar coat it for you hoss, cause my patience have done run out with these fucking idiots who watch this and love it and thereby beget more of this crap. Im sick of suffering so their tiny brains can be entertained.
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And, oh yeah, i guess I should state my feelings on Wolverine. Honestly, this is a comic book movie people probably would have LOVED in 2000, but now that we've had such greats, especially after last summer, it ust comes out as a C. Too bad, I really do think Jackman gave it his all, acting wise.
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I LOVE YOU SO MUCH BUT I HAVE TO LEAVE YOU DONT YOU UNDERSTAND ITS LIKE WE JUST CANT BE TOGETHER THERES TOO MUCH HISTORY AND THE TENSION WHEN I FOUND YOU FUCKING THAT OV SPLIT WHEN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE YELLING STUPID DERIVATIVE SHIT ON AN AICN TALKBACK INVOLVING THE WORDS "BLOW" AND "CUNT" AND SOMETHING ABOUT MOM-ON-CANINE SEX DONT YOU SEE WE ARE FATED TO BE APART DONT CRY
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I hereby promise myself I won't engage in silly trollery anymore. It was an interesting experiment, and it was kind of enjoyable, but mostly just a waste of my time.I like it better just being an insufferable morality officer. Peace and love everybody!
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Danny Huston is a big problem with the film. I mean I guess David Slade is a great director because Danny's Vampire was charasmatic and badass. His Styker was just lazy and seemed kind of stupid and bored the whole time. Why these bad ass mutants let his fuck up their lives doesn't make sense? I will give Wolverine one thing even if it was the Basterdization version of the greatest Marvel character of all time, Deadpoo, that fight scene on the tall Brazil dome thing was pretty awesome, even without the completed graphics.
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Every Fox movie has a sheen of shitness glazed upon it. I really think Hugh Jackman is a decent person but this movie sucked. It is only slightly more entertaining than a 12-year old filming his cat chasing mice and posting it on youtube.
I do think I've figured out why Fox movies all suck so much though. Tom Rothman HATES people. He's a snobby elitist that thinks the common person akin to a head of cattle. That's how he gears his movies and that's how they come out.
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WE WE DESTINED FOR NOTHING YOU ARE AN IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUT. WHOS VERY EXISTENCE WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON YOUR FATHERS BEHALF, I KNOW THIS BECAUSE.... DRUM ROLL.... I AM YOUR FATHER. HEATH LEDGER HAS BEEN DEAD A WHILE NOW BUT IM SURE HE LOOKS BETTER THAN YOU ON A BAD DAY. OH AND SEEING AS THIS POST DOESNT MUCH SWEARING IN IT, YOUR A CUNT SLAG BITCH WHORE BASTARD BITCH. GO CUE UP FOR STARTREK YOU CURD LOVING SPOCK LOVERING FAT WEEPING BITCH.
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Yeah I get what you're saying, I just didn't see it that way. It's possible I#m carrying baggage from having read various x-men / Wolverine comics over the years, but my wife hasn't and she didn't have a problem with it either. I thought the Canadian / American thing was weird when i was reading Weapon X and so on years ago, but i seem to remember it was explained, and an American friend of mine said it was plausable given the way the U.S has had shared projects or somesuch with Canad. (again that may be false, but It's what Ive heard).
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As for it making sense in the film, I really wasn't an issue for me. It makes way more sense than Cyclops wearing !standard" sunglasses but his Eyebeams not . I don't know,... coming out of the sides, you know, around the area of periphial vision, or at least glowing in the short distance between his eyes and the glasses.
As for every talkbacker's favourite writers, I'm yet to read more than about half a dozen negative words on Star Trek, so far I've seen near universal praise for it. In fact if people respond to it the way the critics have it'll be Trek, not Fox that may kill Wolverine. -
Seriously I was hoping though I knew my hope was just wasted that they were going to change his final solution part with the whole cover up reshoots crap after the leak. I hoped this because maybe the movie got made before FOX execs got around to looking at comic sales, once they saw that Deadpool's new series was killing in sales they were like WHOA WHOA WHOA! We can't just write this guy off he's hot right now, FRANCHI$E! But no it was just fox lying like they always do. Speaking of a Deadpool movie I was in the comic shop the other day talking about it, the Guy thought that it could be possible but I don't. There isn't a great back story to Deadpool he just goes around doing shit for money. There could be a good TV show there but not a good movie. I'll just live with knowing that Burn Notice is the closest thing we will get to a Deadpool show.
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...you can stop beating the dead horse now.
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Thanks. God, that sounds like garbage.
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What the fuck did they do to become the comic writing gods of hollywood? I guess hollywood execs really don't read comics at all. I bet you almost ever comic book writer has at least one movie script sitting on their computer. I bet the better ones have pretty damn good movie scripts as well. Shit how come Joss Whedon was never contacted about X-Men? He fucking made them cool in comics again.
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May 01, 2009 9:09:03 PM CDT
RETARD + DISABLED = HARRY KNOWLESI
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
YOU NEVER GO FULL RETARD MAN ! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT
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maybe Marvel will just endlessly revamp all their franchises. Hulk, Fantastic Four, and now you can bet after this embarrassment they will redo X-Men.
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...that you close down registration again and just do a little house cleaning with the ban hammer to clean up these talkbacks.
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I was going to reply to your 1st post, but then saw you're hear for infantile name calling, not debate so what's the point.
Calling people, morons etc for liking something that you don't shows who the moron actually is. It's snobbery of the most assanine kind. At the very least it's saying bpeople can't like bear, or fish & chips, or hamburgers, because there's filet mignon, caviar, dom perignon in the world. People are just different. Oh and I think you'll find there are a great many comics where Wolverine is Cyclops. I belive it's called character developement. Not to mention Jackman plays Wolverine as he's written for the screen. he does so very well, just because he's not playing the ONE Wollverine You remember doesn't mean he isn't playing the character well. Try reading a Wolverine Story arc from his 1st year and then every 5th year since, and try coming back here and saying he has the exact same character traits in EVERY story. -
DO YOU THINK LEGENDARY TROLLS LIKE ME DO THIS FOR YOUR AMUSEMENT ? THINK AGAIN BUDDY, NOW PLEASE GO AND RAPE A 3 YEAR OLD, AND LEAVE THE NON PEDOPHILE ACTIVITYS TO US YOU NONCE FONDLEING FAT WEEPING BITCH.
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In fact, this past decade of Hollywood films have beat us over the head with so much excess motivation that I long for more cinema that's like Jodorowsky's, like Lynch's, like Kubrick's, where we're thrown an archetype and hit the ground running. I don't need to know why a serial killer kills, or why heroes have decided to wear goofy crime-fighting outfits; just give it to me like in the old days!
It especially cracks me up when people are especially demanding of comic book adaptations needing motivation just because classical screenplay-structure tells you it has to be there. What fanboy has ever tore apart the latest hot issue because there was no amount of constant divulging of hows and whys? Why would an ongoing film series about those same characters be any different? I swear, the Fantastic Four movie was nothing but one long explanation after another for two hours to get modern audiences to buy that heroes as goofy as that could actually exist in our world of today!
Seriously, even today when I pop in a film by one of the aforementioned directors and enjoy them so much more than anything currently down at the cineplex, and a big reason is because I don't have to be fed every piece of background and character thought; no matter how deftly those things CAN be handled, it's still always very apparent and distracting, not to mention tiresome. When I can quickly identify a common archetypal character right off the bat (Jodorowsky specifically bases his characters on the tarot personalities), it tells me everything I need to know subconsciously about that character, and actually makes me far more invested in them than if I have to be told or shown a bunch of random crap that attempts to make it all make sense. Stop wasting my time with all the latter, and let's just dive into the story, mood, and atmosphere shall we?
Over and out...
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It was at the end of the print I saw. And it was pretty damn godawful.
The movie was worse than X3 by quite a bit, I thought. Jackman was good, Reynolds was good at the start, I dug the Blob...not much else. It's no Elektra or Catwoman, but it's right there on the Fantastic Four/Daredevil/Spirit level. -
Can I just vent a little here? SOME people come to this damned site not just to show how clever we are, but because we wanna read some feedback about the big genre releases that are coming out, y'know, good ol' AICN, the unapologetically geeky heart of fandom. But this site's credibility has come under attack several times during it's existence. That always rattles my cage cuz, cockeyed optimist that I am, I wanna believe Harry is "one of us". I've always looked to this site for a fair analysis of the movies we wanna see. Delusional? Perhaps. Based on what I've read lately, I honestly couldn't tell you if it makes me want to see this movie or not. Wolverine, despite being one the most overexposed characters ever made, is still one of my favorite fictional people. I think I out-"old school" you, Harry. I was into Wolvie before he was cool and, like some Punk bands, went mainstream. I've had to see my hero played in three movies now by some long, lanky Aussie song n' dance man. When I first heard this solo movie was going to be made, I was ambivalent. To me, Logan was always at his best when bouncing off the other X-characters. I tried to remain detached when the inevitable trailers came and piqued my interest. Now, I dunno. I guess I kinda got my hopes up. I realize I'm biased and my fondness for the property clouds my judgment, so I can't help feeling disappointment. I was hoping against hope something good could come out of this production. Instead, it looks like that warlock Rothman and some sub-par writers have made a hot mess. Y'know, I'm willing to forgive a lot when it comes to comics-based movies- the early complaints about this film had me rolling. Gambit? Emma Frost? Ignoring continuity? Man, who the hell cares? Anybody who expects an exact chronological representation of the comics on film is a moronic asshole. If that were the case, the first movie wouldnt've had Storm, Rogue, and oh yeah, fuckin' WOLVERINE in it! Look, moviemakers follow the Prime Directive: Get asses in seats. And that usually involves glossing over (or in some cases, ignoring entirely) years worth of developments in the monthlies. There seems to be lots of love here for the Merc With a Mouth and Gambit. Now, I loves me some Deadpool an' my lady digs Remy, but are they really represented that poorly in this film? Shame. Way to cripple your spinoff potential, Fox. And lastly, have we become that jaded that a guy can't express grief in a movie without it being compared to a Star Wars prequel? Just askin'. What's the guy 'sposed t'do? "Ah, maybe I'll find some hot mutant trim down in the States."
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Wolverine is one of those films that looked completely rushed and unfinished. I think the film will appeal to casual moviegoers, but those of us that follow comic books will feel a bit cheated.
The problem with the film lies with the lack of action and not really sticking to the story of Logan and Sabertooth. The beginning of the film looked really cool, but this film needed to be rated R with a bullet. The lack of violence and blood made the film not feel like a Wolvy movie.
The action in the film was pretty lame because we saw all of it in the damn trailers! This film could have been much better if they would have expanded on the Logan and Sabertooth years together and shorten the love story.
The treatment of Deadpool was a complete fuck job because they did not show Wade Wilson enough. Deadpool was a non-existent character and is pretty much the nail that every comic book lover will use on the coffin for this film.
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where Deadpool touched you.
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Sounds too sanitized.
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I saw the movie and am playing the game. While I am upset with the raping of Deadpool and some of the direction of the movie, it was a decent movie if you toss the comic history away.
I also do a weekly podcast on movies, games, etc at http://logansrun.libsyn.com or search iTunes for Logan's Run The Podcast. I just uploaded the newest episode, where I review the movie and the Wolverine video game, plus some other gaming news. Help me out with some feedback on the podcast please. Thanks -
Was she watching State of Play? Cuz State of Play > everything else right now
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IVE BEEN BANNED 100s OF TIMES. (NO EXAGERATION) THEY EVEN TRIED IP BANNING ME A FEW TIMES. HEY MAYBE EVEN ONE DAY SOMETHING MAY EVEN WORK. KEEP AT IT MODS. MODS GOTTA EAT RIGHT ? ASK AROUND MY NAME CHANGES BUT YOU CAN NEVER DESTROY ( G@BRIEL GR@Y ) NOW BACK TO BUISNESS... DISEMBOWL YOURSELF WITH A BANANA YOU CURD LOVING SPOCK LOVER.
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When a serialized character is around for a long time, yeah he's going to have shitty iterations, but int he best versions thereof there are common themes, elements, that binds it together. When you have literally hundreds of people writing a character and a money grubbing corporation twisting him into whatever character mode is tres chic at the time you are going to get many shit iterations. Those should be ignored at all costs. What is generally known is that the best version of Wolverine is a lot like Clint Eastwood in his earlier westerns. A killer without being sociopathic, tortured without being melodramatic, empathetic without being sentimental, smart without being cerebral, contemplative without being an intellectual, sardonic without being snippy. And since a film isnt serialized, we only get one every great while rather than being able to turn on a dime once a month, it should strive to capture those best qualities. As for your metaphors they dont stand. If I was saying "You cant like Wolverine because hte Dark Knight exists then you might be on to something, Im saying you cant like Wolverine because it has nothing whatsoever to do with Wolverine. Its not trading Filet Mignon for a McDonalds hamburger, its like having a McDonalds hamburger and someone insisting that its filet mignon and you're an elitist prick for calling it for what it is. I might be name calling, but if the shoe fits.....
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SPOILER*** Don't read if you want to see the Deadpool ending.I saw the Deadpool ending. Camera pans down to a blade amidst the rubble. The blade gradually retracts into an arm. The arm starts moving and the hand begins groping around for something. Then, the hand happens upon ... Wilson's severed head where the mouth has now been sliced open.If you saw the end to Freddy v. Jason, then you saw an ending almost identical to the Deadpool ending.
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Still suffering from X Files 2.
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Also, AICN should just automatically delete any posts in all caps.
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Wolverine will be cool no matter what. I mean, what are you fucking nerds expecting?! 2001: A Space Odyssey?! Non of the X-Men movies were that good. They were totally average with the exceptions of X3 which was completely abysmal. Fart, I'm totally drunk and will see it tomorrow and love it no matter what. He has claws coming out of his hands. I'm in. Fart!
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YEH CUS CAPS ARE THE WORST THING EVER RIGHT ? LMAO AS IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF FUCKING LAW THAT SAYS YOU CANT TYPE IN CAP LOCKS ! FUCK YOU IL EXPRESS MYSELF HOWEVER I FEEL. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT BLOW ME, SIMPLY DONT READ. HOWEVER I ASSURE YOU IT WILL BECOME INCREASEINGLY HARDER TO MISS THEM. OPEN YOUR MOUTH REV ITS FACE WANKING TIME !!
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What kind of backwoods state is he living in? Fucking movie tickets are $10 says every comedian in the world! $12 if you go during peek hours! Naw I'm just kidding I live in the one of the states around Teh-haw and movie tickets are still reasonably priced.
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May 01, 2009 9:38:42 PM CDT
This movie is nowhere near as bad as it's been made out to be
by arteska
but I'd still stop short of endorsing it fully - especially if you are rabid about getting back issues checklisted scene by scene. Even so you can easily find the good intent here and there and there is some decent fan service in snippets and some acknowledgment has to be given to task of patchworking all the myriad explorations of the character's past (which they chose to do instead of something like one of the better arcs singularly). I was never a huge Deadpool fan (liked him but not attached) but they pretty much did molest him by the end of the movie but most of it up to that point is not the utter garbage that it has been piled on for being. I missed Brian Cox from X2 as Stryker and the Xavier shot at the end was pretty embarrassing by any standard - seriously a movie of this stature and that was deemed acceptably final as a shot? Overall it's really too bad this has become the internet crap target it has been built up to be. I guess the only solace is that something else will get its turn soon enough.
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May 01, 2009 9:38:54 PM CDT
GEEKS + DEADPOOL + FOX = NERDS WEEPING LIKE FAT BITCHES
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
COMIC BOOK ? COMIC BOOK ? FUCKING C O M I C B O O K. NOT ALL COMIC BOOK MOVIES CAN STAR ME. AND NOT MANY MORE WILL. YOU FAT WEEPING BITCHES GO AND CRY INTO YOUR MICRO MEALS, FUCKING SPOCK LOVING FREAKS. I LAUGHED AND FUCKING LAUGHED
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... you might want to consider taking up a new hobby.
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Hold your horses everyone. He just works during the day now. And there are impostors.
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Except for that one asshole named Vwantsrevenge or whatever pretty much everyone seems to be on the same page. I am hoping that Girl friends ghosts movie wins the weekend. I mean Fox makes horrible movies on purpose I really think they do. What I don't get is they spend a shit load on them. If they wanted to make money why not make an R-rated low budget Wolvie movie, would have easily made money. Only negative out comes can come from making a shitty movie like this.
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HOW HARD IS THIS EQUATION!??!?!?!?!?
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Last time as I don't come here for childish name calling.
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Your not seeing the allussion. It's that you can like excellent films AND like "brainless" or flawed films or films that aare just meant to entertain through simple means AS WELL as the creme de la cream of film making. You can like popcorn movies as well as fiolms, without people like you assuminng that only idiots would do so.
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You Wolverine argument is flawed because it is subjective. YOu think you know what the complete essence of Wolverine is, because that's what you see. We could get any number of people who would have different tkes on what their Wolverine is like; centred around a core of character traits no doubt, but differeing all the same. Your calling any storyline that differs from YOUR take on Wolverine demonstates this.
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.Everyone has an opinion, many of them differ, from the sligh difference to the chasm. What matters is that people are allowed their opinions, and whilst their opinions may seem moronic it doesn't mean they are morons.
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You may be a completely sane and sensible person, despite your writing implying that you're a narrow minded, name calling, pubescnt, pseudo intellectual rude teenager. I put forwrd my argument, my opinions, and (mostly infact#) the opinions of other that I have seen, overheard or spoken to. I don't think anyone who has a different opinion is anything other than that; a person with aa differnt opinion / argument. I don't assume that someone swiming in the sea is a lifeguard, andymore than I assume someone who says 1 thing that I consider to be wrong / stupid is a moron; or anyone who appreciates the art of "birth of a nation" ia a card carrying bigot. Stupid people can like the Godfather the same as inteligentt people can like police accademy (insert any number higher than 1 here).
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Considering every time I open a page on AICN I get that assaulting full screen claws advertisement that retracts into the banner bar at the top. How much money does AICN get for advertising a movie that even the site owner didn't like? How about showing some class and refuse to advertise for something you can't endorse?
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Is that they tried to make Sabertooth growing his nails out like an extra inch cool/scary/menacing. Did anyone else see that and think back to that Family episode where all of them got super powers and Meg's was that she grew long nails. OW those are sharp. Its was just lame. I mean it was written by the guy who wrote Hitman and has a douchbag sounding name. I would say its a bit better then Hitman but not the writing the acting and action, but not much better. Also the fact that they gave the character who's catchphrase is "the merc with a mouth" no mouth reminds me of Kevin Smith's rant about Superman.
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...i remember him saying that its run by a third party and he has no idea what they'll be running until he loads the page himself.
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You assholes.
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from Harry's 'Emma Frost' rant (and I'll say again, the only problem I had wasn't that he didn't have the info or that you can't expect loose comic adaptations like all the X-Men films have been to be COMPLETELY true to continuity; it was that he did bother to make an ammendment to the article that wasn't really a 'mea culpa' so much as a slam on comics he hasn't read) but that's us nerds. We get in a huff over crazy stuff like that.
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Anyone in North America seeing this / sen it?? I've read good thins about it and I cannot believe they've given it such a crappy release date. Same week as Wolverine and 1 week before Star Trek??? Do they just want to bury it or what?
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May 01, 2009 9:54:02 PM CDT
UK STAR GOOD POINT ( AND ATTENTION ALL TALKBACKERS)
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
AND FUCK YOU AND YOUR INSIGHT. DANNY GLOVERS DICK BLOOD RIPPED OF G@BRIEL GR@Y BUT NOW G@BRIEL RETURNS TO RAPE A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF SPOCK LOVERS. LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF IM THE GUY YOU WILL BE RANTING TO HAVE BANNED, I WILL ALSO BE INSULTING ANYONE FOR ANY REASON AT ANY TIME FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. PLEASED TO MEET YOU. YOU IGNORANT TALENTLESS SLUTS. TIME TO MAKE THE MODS WORK ONCE MORE, THEY HAVE HAD THERE HOLIDAYS LONG ENOUGH, NOW THEY MUST THROW DOWN OR BE OVERUN BY MADNESS. AICN HAS IT COMING AND SO DOES ANYONE WHO GETS IN MY WAY. PREPARE FOR LEDGERS MAGGOT SPERM IN YOUR GUTS SPOCK LOVERS. I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED, THE PARTY STARTS NOW =)
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HEATH_LEDGERS_Maggoty_penis__bloody_blahdy_blah refer to himself as a, 'Legendary Troll'? Wow. Dioxholster levels of delusion there.
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You know damn well this could have been a MUCH worse movie, and they could have *really* fucked up the Wolverine character.
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X-Men: The New Mutants starring James Marsden. Cyclops revived as Jean Grey's dying act, still depressed and mopey over Jean. Afraid to go back to the school, he's approached by Emma Frost to help her liberate captured international mutants from a weapons facility in Genosha. A mutant commando team for the rescue is already assembled: Sebastian Shaw, Madrox, Pyro, Dazzler--Cyclops as field commander. The most powerful of the imprisoned mutants: Cannonball, Wolfsbane, Mirage, Sunspot, Empath, Thunderbird, Havok--are guarded by the Marauders. The rescue turns uglier as the Hellfire Club is revealed. Scott is reunited with his brother and returns to the Westchester School with some but not all of the rescued mutants, including Madrox. The Hellfire Club tries to kill the man who tipped them off to Genosha--the supposedly depowered Magneto. Magneto reveals his full power and leaves with Pyro--and another Madrox. Epilogue: Scott and Emma long for each other from afar while their groups build toward an ultimate clash. Scott is reunited with the X-Men as they are contacted by the revived Xavier who warns of a greater threat: a sinister man called Nathaniel Essex. Roll Credits. See? Not that hard. Maybe not a classic, but better than X3. Maybe. Ahh, fuck it, there was nothing on TV. Sue me.
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When logic runs out it always goes back to "Well its all subjective anyway so...umm...yeah...." Bullshit. Just about ANYTHING could be done to ANY character and that would autmatically have merit because SOMEONE is enjoying it. Well sorry but I would rather not have my films be at the whims of the very lowest common denominator. Arguing that everyone has an opnion has nothing to do with anything, let alone this film. You wanna make your point known, tackle the film itself, let the big kids talk, and quit your fuckin sensitive whining, because thats all the subjectivity argument amounts to. popcorn films are one thing, popcorn films bastardizing perfectly three dimensional characters with limitless film potential is something else entirely. if they want to call this film anything but Wolverine then enjoy it as a popcorn film all the live long day, when you brand it with a name it comes with expectations, and when those expectation are not only not met, but treated with utter disdain by the studio, you better thank God for the discerning among us if you ever want to see a good comic book film again.
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Then you're a bigger douchebag than I thought. And who gives a fuck about his house in the Canadian wilderness. I don't give a fuck if he bought it, built it, or rents it. He lives there. That's all you need to know. And way to go, you bought a movie ticket and took a picture of it. I'm so impressed, turd-sniffer.
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YEAH I want a review for Battle For Tera as well. I told Harry that if he wasn't busy seeing Wolverine to go see it and let us know. Especially knowing that he doesn't have to even pay for his movies, what is he like the Don of Austin?
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WHAT ABOUT THE CRYSTAL SKIN ON THAT ONE MUTANT?????
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Please, please go write that and sell it to Hollywood. I would have no quams laying down money for THAT (like I have over Wolvie: Origins).
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heart failure from eating fried foods.
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For god sakes just dont let him talk....or get punched in the face.
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May 01, 2009 10:00:58 PM CDT
Explain how D. Vader, HOW could it have been a worse film?
by industrykiller!
They did everything within reason to completely destroy the character. I mean obviously they werent going to make the character drop the mutant fighting game to become a hairdresser or something. THe movie is banal at every single point, containing literally not a single desireable moment. not a single exciting action scene in which Wolverine fights like Wolverine, not a single origin point that isnt whittled to nothing in service of dumbing it down. not a single cameo in which the character isnt completely misused. the only even arguably decent performance int he film is Ryan Reynolds for about 7 seconds and even that is more just Ryan Reynolds being a wise ass than actually having Deadpool depicted. Seriously what could they have done to make it worse?
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Only eats the hearts of little children.
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Liev Schiber could have been Wolverine. Or Don Cheedle.
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If you can't think of any ways in which they would screw up the character even further, than you must not be very imaginative.
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That's named for the film with the pregnent lady dragged into the "death game show" right? I remember going to a preview of that and loving it.
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it's a good deal better than Twilight. JUST SAYIN'.
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"If I told my boss that I wasn't going to do come in for my shift on a particular day because it puts me in a bad mood to do so, I would be fucking canned and searching Craigslist for job postings."
Oh, it's so much worse than that you bitter little whining puke - Harry doesn't even have a boss? Know why? Because somehow he's built a business out of his own passion for something.
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But sometimes he brings it on himself. He totally psyched himself out by reading other people's reviews and he let that influence him (ONE OF US! ONE OF US!)
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Takes place in the years prior to her joining the X-Men. The story of a little girl growing up in world changing rapidly, with humans and mutants becoming more hostile with each other, with boy problems at school (one boy will call her ugly) and changes with her very body.It'll be one part coming of age drama (sorta like a take on the 'Dear God Its Me, I'm Having a Period' book) and one part quirky teen comedy (think Young Einstein), with a dash of mutantism.
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May 01, 2009 10:12:24 PM CDT
My Mom & Brother Clapped @ The End. BTW, Stay 4 The Credits
by media messiah
I was luke warm on the movie, which felt like the X-Men trying to be The Matrix...which has been a problem throughout the X-Men franchise. I was pleased though, that the film taps heavily into X-Men lore. I won't spoil the film, but there are some sweet surprises that tie the story arc in with the other X-Men films, and very heavily so! Lastly, there are two clips of extra footage at the end of the film. One about 30 seconds into the credits, that is so, so...and the other, simply wowed those in the audience who were smart enough to stay and watch the end credits. Only 10 percent of the audience I saw the film with did, and they were pretty happy with what they saw!!!
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Obviously they were going to keep all the tenants they had established in previous X-Men films. He's a mutant named Logan with adamantium claws who fights. But thats about all they did right. I mean they werent going to up and make him a happy-go-lucky politician or something. So other than that they didnt get a single element right. You might say "well they could have not had the adamantium administering followed by a rampage" Well they did it so poorly for all I fucking care they could have gotten rid of it. Then at least I wouldnt have had to have seen a potentially great seen done so so poorly. I would rather NOT have Gambit at all than that cheap worst-accent-ever charismaless rendition that shouldnt have anything to do with Wolverine. Its not enough that they just throw shit from the comic in there, its about the EXECUTION dude, and no they could not have executed any of it any more poorly.
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PG-13, yo. If he started slicing people apart, you'd be bucking for an R-Rating.
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SO everyone rips you a new one earlier today- and you realize that you are a big baby and you did go and see the film. I guess that's your way of saying we all were right and you were wrong for being a puss. I have a strong feeling that you will never make a point of NOT seeing a film due to Rottentomatoes- that was pretty stupid dude.
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You freely throw hyperbole out like you're overstocked on it, and you slam other people's opinions, and then, I noticed, slam even the very concept of subjectivity when it comes to enjoyment of film? Look, I've got no problem debating the merits of a certain film with *anyone* on here, and you make some very good points, but come on dude. "They couldn't have executed any of it any more poorly?" You've seen SciFi Channel Original Films before, right? Remember, this film wasn't made for us AT ALL. It was made for everyone else, everyone who doesn't read comics (though they threw in some bones to get casual comics fans in the seats, obviously, by including Gambit and others). You might be surprised how many "normal" folk actually enjoy X3 and will enjoy this as well.
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This is all bullshit pre-hype hate. It is not nearly as bad as everyone says. X3 is still the most boring lame thing about X-men. All the action in this is quite fun. Sabertooth, Gambit, Agent Zero, Wade, ..., they are all awesome and fun to watch. The opening 20 minutes are great and the end fight scene with Deadpool is also pretty cool. Stop hating to hate and realize this movie is pretty fun and makes X3 seem even more like the POS that it is. X2 is still the best though.
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5 years ago that I wouldn't even bother seeing an Indians Jones or Wolverine movie in theaters, I would have called you a fucking liar.
But I didn't see Indy 4 same as I will not pay to see Wolverine. The reason? Because I saw the trailers for these movies, that's why. Yep. Trailers choc full of bad acting, horrible effects, lazy shots, shitty dialogue, and bad music.
I saw IJ4 about a month ago (for free) and man am I glad I didn't pay to see that shitburger. It was so bad, I've nearly repressed all memory of it (sealing it in a wooden crate and storing it away in a warehouse next to the Ark, and the memory of pissing my pants in the third grade).
How shitty does this Wolvie flick look? I've never thought that character would make for a good solo movie. His best tales were with the X-Men, and the only truly exceptional stories on his own were the Weapon X and James Howlett stories (neither of which feature the Wolverine that AUDIENCES were familiar with). -
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Congratulations are in order, you both provide evidence of a sub-species of humanity that has actually sank beneath the level of peadophile....though you do still remain above Sarah Palin.
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At my screening, when the shot glass hits the bar empty - someone yelled out for everyone to be quiet, because there was your normal emptying of the theater chatter. The whole theater goes silent. The scene plays out and someone screams out, "You've gotta be fucking kidding!"
What does that mean? Are you using poetry? "When the shotglass hits the bar empty..."
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May 01, 2009 10:39:09 PM CDT
lol claws look so fucking fake
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
how do you get that wrong?
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May 01, 2009 10:40:22 PM CDT
x2 > x1 > fat girls with shit on their lips>>> x3
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
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Vader Im not really seeing where "This film isnt made for us." makes it tolerable. It's still incompetent from a writing, directing, and acting standpoint. You say it could have been sci fi bad. Well its a higher budget than that (although it still looks WAY cheaper than its budget) but otherwise its JUST like a bad sci fi channel film. Complete with ear gouging cliche lines and technical acheivements such as comically cartoony CG and Wolverine cutting a ladder piece by piece by OBVIOUSLY speeding up the frame. im asking again man. What about this film puts it above that category. if its so obvious then give me some examples.
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"No...I'll pay for this one." I used to love reading your hyperbole filled reviews of...well, everything, but lately with your retarded posts regarding this film you've turned my off completely. You're a giant douchebag with a false sense of entitlement. You wrote a hate column for the flick before you saw it (that said you weren't going to see it, no less) and then you "pay" to go see it, come back and write a scathing review. I called that the second I saw that first pathetic post. This site has run into the fucking ground.
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And how did he manage to snag that job with two very small movies under his belt?
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The 5:30 screening at AMC River East in Chicago were clapping and laughing throughout the movie. None stuck up movie geeks are going to really enjoy this.
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May 01, 2009 10:47:40 PM CDT
havent seen it yet but the best part has to be
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
the part thats in all the commericals where wolverine makes a huge cum face right before he flies of the motorcycle into the helicopter
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May 01, 2009 10:48:07 PM CDT
In fact Vader I think saying "The mainstream doesnt mind crap"
by industrykiller!
And therefore crap has value, is an awfully dangerous position to be take on film. You really want people who have no idea what they want int he first place deciding what we ALL get? Ill put it this way, if you please the more discerning among us you'll please EVERYONE. The Dark Knight and iron Man prove that. Those filmmakers took the potential of the characters and ran with it and we have two classic films. Did we really learn NOTHING from last year???
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But I don't buy any of your "There's no way it could be worse," arguments when there are quite a few people who are enjoying it. I mention "its not made for us" because most of your defenses of your argument initially revolved around how this is a terrible adaptation and a butchery of the Wolverine character. But then if its not made for us and they weren't really concerned with comic continuity, it renders your argument moot. That said, it still sounds like its a failure on a cinematic level as well, but I'm confident there are many many ways it could have been worse.
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May 01, 2009 10:50:43 PM CDT
also eberts review is full of great quotes
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
"...He is about 175 years old, he apparently stopped changing when he reached Hugh Jackman's age, and neither he, nor we, find out how he developed such an interesting mutation."
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Hardly a revelation even if people hadn't been saying it for weeks.
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May 01, 2009 10:52:45 PM CDT
~~~THE NEXT FILM IS ABOUT HOW WOLVERINE GETS HIS JACKET BACK~~~
by the marquis de side 3
there were a number of continuity flaws in this film, both in itself and for setting up the first three films.
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Fan boys just love to hate Brett Ratner because he is a jet-set arrogant bastard, but he did an exceptional job with X3, considering the time restraints and the fact that the studio would not allow him to give us the Dark Phoenix story as intended, due to the fact that they wished to steal the authorship of the story, which is Hollywood's new business model. Steal the authorship, and you have less royalties to pay the original story creators, and even character creators...thus the reason that even Wolverine's story for X-Men Origins was altered. The directors of these films can't tell you that, or they will face immediate studio, and industry backlash, but since this is anonymous, I can tell you--so I did. The Rat's professionalism and sharp execution of the material, which was voluminous, should be applauded and studied. Given the short shooting schedule and the vast amount of special effects, characters, sets, and shots, the guy would be heralded, if his name was any other name other than Ratner...and you can bet if Bryan Singer directed it, or JJ Abrams, with the same script, film cut, and or, print, fan boys would have largely praised the film.
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I'll tell you what the suits learned from that: The public likes comic book films with charismatic heroes that look exciting. Period. That's all the suits will get from that. I know you adhere to the belief that if the public stops seeing these bad movies, the studios will stop making them, but that's the problem- they'll stop making them *good*, and what's most important becomes the bottom dollar, and then we probably get cheaper looking films. They'll just look at a failure and think "needed more explosions!" Don't misunderstand me, that's certainly NOT an argument against intelligently made movies. And I never said "The mainstream doesn't mind crap," but if you look at some of the top grossing films lately...
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by the way. A lot of fun, ridiculous over the top fun summer blockbuster action. It's actually quite violent, there's just not any blood. Totally worth the price of admission, good start to what should be a great month.
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May 01, 2009 10:56:29 PM CDT
why didnt fucking bryan singer come back
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
and just make wolverine. why did he fuckin leave in the first place? look, i really liked superman returns, but id rather have never had that movie made if it meant the destruction of the x-men movies. fuck fox, singer, and rothman.
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it screamed rush job.
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The beauty of a forgettable film (And Wolverine is most certainly that) Is that you can pop in your Xmen bluray and marvel at the magnificence of that shirtless Aussie bastard headbutting some poor cunt right on the bonce, and then in a split second think of how cool it would be to know where he came from, but also how wrong it would be to unravel the mystery.
I saw Wolverine, I payed for it like Harry, however unlike Harry I was so invested in the character, and so desperate to see it that I begged a colleague to burn me a copy, I watched it and thought "Maybe the cinematic release would be better". Hopeing that they would remedy some of the laundry list of fanboy complaints regarding story, effects, score, character development, script, deadpool, gambit, and Wolverine himself. I was wrong. The only added benefit was the soundtrack the cinema provided that, despite trying to replicate with quality home theatre components, can't be matched. The additional effects work looked.. I'll put this nicely.. rushed and uneven. This movie does not exist to me. Rewatch X1, and realise that this is the first and potentially last time you see the real Wolvie on screen, then watch X2 because its fucking badass. My 4 Word review: BRAINLESS MESSY AND UNSATISFYING. -
hugh jackman jerks off while looking into a mirror. seriously though, how can they have an origin story where they just made up an antagonist. It is worse than a slap in the face to the fans its a kick in the crotch. WHY DO THEY BUY RIGHTS TO A CHARACTER THEN MAKE UP THEIR OWN STORY. Its like buying the yankees and make them play football, then wonder why the fans are pissed.
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It's hard to take you at your word after the Bawwwww fest i read last night.
the next X-Men flick could be great and you'll complain about how unrealistic Mutants are. next time leave your agenda at the door and don't go back on your word. you look like a hypocrite.
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If anyone's read a Rupert Murdoch biography, he doesn't give a fuck about his company's film and TV divisions and only cares about the bottom line - that they both make money only. He's a newspaper guy and unless he dies and his kids take over the reins, that's when Fox will make better films again.
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So, what the movie is saying is that deep down all Canadians want to be American? Isn't that true?
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SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER (but if you read this you will save yourself $10, especially if you like Deadpool)
WHY the fuck did they make the biggest smartass ever to grace marvel comics, Deadpool, a fucking mute who couldn't talk. The best smartass casting ever in my opinion, in fact the VERY REASON I WENT TO SEE THIS MOVIE, was relegated to the background until the very end and he didn't even wear his costume.
Then they give him Cylcop's ability. That's right, Deadpool shoots lasers from his eyes. OH! And instead of SWORDS, they give him wolverine-style adamantium KITANA'S that come out from his arms!
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Except... I don't care if Wolverine is empty calories and I plan to watch it again this weekend. I'd see it tonight but we're watching the Garner flick.
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Except... I don't care if Wolverine is empty calories and I plan to watch it again this weekend. I'd see it tonight but we're watching the Garner flick.
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You are so hilarious!! I LOVE YOU!
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...next time someone asks where I am, just say FUCK YOU!!!!
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If you ask me. Yeah, that's right.
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I just had a horrible realization. I just watched a very clear version of the transformers 2 trailer and if you look on the college campus the statue Sam's parents are standing by looks very much like the statue of Marcus Brody from Indie and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. The college also looks very much like "Marshal College" from that movie. I know Spielberg is evolved in both series but don't dis Indie by having Transformers take place in the modern day of his universe, give the guy more respect than that!
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Here is a guide to using dashes:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DashI strongly recommend that Harry read this page.
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The climax took place on a couple small stages, and a few shots of them standing on a mountain. Where the fuck do you see this epic scale you keep talking about? I know everyone jerks off to the opening Nightcrawler scene, so what-- did you think the White House set cost 100 million dollars to reproduce the real thing so accurately? As much as I despise X3, it looked much bigger.You know where they saved cost on X2? The screenplay. Dan and Mike work cheap, all you need is a tub of Crisco and a couple rolling pins.
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And just assure me that Bay didn't just rape Indie. Or am I crazy? No smart ass comments on that last statement even though I set myself up for them.
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why I rarely come to this site anymore. Seriously...there are so many cock sucking dick heads on here that it is seriously suffocating.
For God's sake...it's Harry's site. If he wants to bitch...let the man frakkin bitch. If he wants to be pissed he has to pay...he can certainly be pissed. It's your GD choice to read about so quit all your god damn whining to stupid bitches. Get off your dead, fucking asses - make your own site, and write your own god damn reviews if you don't like his.
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Where would the fun be?
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..I farted out of my Urethra. Just sayin...
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Relax, dude. Your blood pressure is rising. Unless you're Yoko, you have no personal stake in defending Harry, so there's no reason to get so worked up about it.
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While Fox gave Singer a bigger budget for X2 it was still very much on the cheap compared to Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc. Same with Fantastic Four. And Daredevil. Fox gives no fuck for quality or artistic integrity, even if they lose long-term business. They want a product that can crank out a quick profit and a big opening weekend so the execs can high five then go suck each others jagons. It's all about RIGHT NOW and KEEP THOSE RIGHTS FRESH and FUCK THE NERDS, WE WANT THAT DISPOSABLE TWEENER ALLOWANCE MONEY.
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As muddled as the other two could be, they didn't utterly fuck up one of the few classic X-Men story archs, and kill cyclops like his role in the series never mattered. For this reasons alone it was a shit film. Reguardless of how well the Rat did with the time and script he had, the movie just shouldn't have been made.
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"apparently the mutant power they all have is the ability to make me not give a shit"Good one, Harry. Well, thanks for seeing the movie and writing the review because that was the most enjoyable read on the film I've seen so far. Probably more enjoyable than the film is itself.I'm not much of an X-Men fan. The first two films were good enough when they came out. But time and repeat viewings have dulled them for me. Never bothered with the 3rd film. Even a year ago, Wolverine's trailer did nothing to get me excited for this film. Will only see it if someone drags me to it.
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I just got back from seeing Wolverine myself. And I would say that I concur with Harry's review. I went in with pretty low expectations and it was not as bad as I thought it would be but, it did just kinda feel evenly empty and monotone. I also found myself not really caring about any character in particular with they way their portrayal of the main characters. Hugh Jackman does have charisma and plays his scenes pretty well and all -it just didn't quite hit the right notes. At least the notes that you hope a good comic book movie adaptation will hit. That said, I can see how the 'masses' will probably be ok with this film. There's enough mindless brawling and crinkled foreheads to keep people entertained I guess. But, it just does not have the surprise POW like IronMan did. I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10. And agree that it was slightly better than X3.
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namedropping, he's the main reason why the other x-films were good i guess.
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May 01, 2009 11:49:53 PM CDT
It's a pretty good movie and people need to just deal with it.
by peoplecallmethebriman
Perhaps it's because I've been reading these posts today and I went in expecting a steaming pile of poo. But it's actually pretty good. To say that it's even in the same sewage wasteland as X3 is just silly. Is it as good as X2? No. But it's pretty much on par with the first X-men. I mean look, Dark Knight is a cinematic masterpeice. But we can't all go in expecting the Godfather of Comic Book movies from here on out. People need to temper their expectations a bit. Granted I'll admit that I'm not some rabit comic book fan who gets pissed off because some chick has diamonds for skin. But it's a good revenge movie. Hugh Jackman is pretty cool. Gambit is pretty cool. There's a couple of plot holes but nothing gaping. All in all it's a good kick-off to the Summer movie season. I give it a solid 7 out of 10.
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THE MIGHTY NUMBER9997!
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welcome to nerdville...
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....hate for Harry. He is just a retarded dick! He can't help it. You people need lives. If you stop supporting this site with your comments, he loses ad revenue and over time will have to shut down!
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I don't remember seeing a surprise POW in Iron Man.
I can say that, 'cause my Grandad was a POW. He was also a Blam! & a Kaboom!
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was pretty lame. It felt like they studio realized his lameness and cut the character out until the very end. And even then, he seemed ridiculous. Ryan Reynolds might be fine in those romantic dramadies but, as a bad ass mutant ninja? Hurm...
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.....dislike him that much, stop coming here! You people treat the operators of this site as if they are pariahs! Stop elevating Harry to the level of an crooked politician. Focus your attention on making the world a better place! ;)
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....I am calling you out! You fucking piece of trash!
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I meant that IronMan could have easily come off like this Wolverine movie -flat. Instead it surprised me by having the right mix of POW and character development etc. It just worked for me a ton better that this did. But, hey -that's just one nerdlies opinion.
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Go fuck yourself bitch!
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I thought the purpose of these talkbacks was to talk back about movies and stuff not be provocative dingleberry? Eh, to each his own I guess. BUTTGASS!!!!!!!
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It was a crap P.O.W joke. Y'know, prisoner of war?
Just amusing myself, waiting for the funny fat guy to fuck up again. -
If your around. Yeah its that movie.
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.....what is the difference between a pile of dead babies and ferrari?
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Not even close and everyone knows how bad X3 was.
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Everything ive seen of this movie seems to be about one thing only..Your money. A good film prolly comes in about 10th in the minds of the Fox people. It could be that the Fox brand has soured me with its same named news channel. But thats tree hugging me. ( it always seems odd to me that Ruperts brand Fox News attacks half a country for political beliefs. Seems like a bad business model to me to the other Fox names. But hes a Billionaire so what do I know) Im going to see it anyway pray I dont hate myself for it. Im a Wolverine fan back in the Claremont/Cockurum days and I still have the Miller mini still in the bag ( no they are NOT for sale and Get off my lawn! ) I do want to see Jackman succeed. He seems like a pretty genuine guy and a good actor. I doubt this will hurt his career but still its starting to look pretty darn embarrassing by reading the reviews. Could be that Fox cant market a movie right as well. Dark Knight? Was there at 12 am thurs with bells on. Planning to do the same with Star Trek. This movie..eh..Ill catch it when I catch it. I think Warner, Universal or Paramount would have wanted to make a good movie and a profitable one. I just get the idea that Fox just wants to make a Profitable one. And another thing could they have just made the film with just Wolverine? Seems like a dark X-men take on it with the ads and all these muties being put on the banner. Id think he could carry the film by his lonesome and had just sabertooth been the bad guy. But I guess that would have gotten in the way with the money with the extra action figures and such. But what do I know I have not seen it yet I could be totally wrong and love it. But the film does have alot working against it with me.
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This was crap.
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There hasn't been a single good X-Men movie yet...sorry fanboys.
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This movie will probably be pretty big.
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Seeing as how you seem to want to bother Ham_Schlomo, when he was the only one decent enough to welcome you here.
You asked "what is the difference between a pile of dead babies and ferrari?" Very classy by the way, prick.
I'll answer..
You don't own a Ferrari?
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Actually, I was going to say I don't own a Ferrari!
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Personally, I don't mind 'X3'. I do think it's the low-man on the totem pole of the three 'X-Men' films, surely. But I've got problems with all three of the 'X-Men' films (mostly with casting, but that probably goes without saying). But given that Singer wasn't directing 'X3', it ended up being the best it could be. But 'Wolverine' is just a fucking mess! Putting characters in there that had nothing whatsoever to do with Wolverine's origin (Cyclops, Emma Frost and such) is just a waste and it insults the true comic fans. That and there were simply far too many characters in this anyways...it's called 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' but should have been 'Origins Of A Bunch Of Mutants...Oh, And Wolverine' (sorry, that's lame sounding, I know, but I'm tired and you probably get my point.) At least 'X3' built upon (for better or worse is up to you) the storyline(s) that Singer started in the first two and it made it's own path to finish it out. But with 'Wolverine' we're made to expect his actual origin story when it really ended up just being a rushed hodge-podge to get little James Howlett (aka "Point A") to Wolverine ("Point B") to the first X-Men film ("Point C"). It was all rushed and horribly handled in just about every aspect. ... meh, I don't even wanna discuss it anymore. I'm drained.
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Actually, I meant I don't keep a Ferrari in my garage!
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has a lot of BUTTGAS built up inside and feels the need to blow it out in this talkback. Maybe a few Rolaids would do the trick. Or eating your own balls...
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May 02, 2009 12:17:15 AM CDT
"This is an action figure movie. A slurpee cup flick,"
by professor_monster
Same way I felt about Star Trek - only difference is Trek does better foreplay with all the effects. It's still a chick you fuck and forget two weeks later because she wasn't that good in bed.
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May 02, 2009 12:17:26 AM CDT
Schreiber and Jackman had good performances in a so-so movie
by tallboy66
Didn't hate this, it was just uninspired. I liked Jackman and Schreiber a lot. I could watch a whole movie of them saying terse, nasty things to each other and then clawing at each other for two hours. X-3 is a decent giant clusterfuck of chaos and character deaths and depowering that gives it a good shock value and impact. This movie doesn't. Also, it had that neat scene when Phoenix is tearing off Wolverine's skin as it grows back. Nothing as cool as that is in this movie.
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.....that really hurt my feelings! Im going to aleviate myself by pounding the shit outa your mom's cunt!
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"I liked Jackman and Schreiber a lot. I could watch a whole movie of them saying terse, nasty things to each other and then clawing at each other for two hours." You must have an interesting porn collection, friend. (I keed, I keed.)
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Some folks just ain't very nice round these parts... Wolverine was an OK movie. No need to be mean and nasty to others...
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The path that got him to the theater is a bit unusual, to say the least, but he decided to go, and he went, and bought the ticket, and wrote a review. Seems reasonable.
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I've seen numerous people say shit like "True comic lovers should not see this film." Jesus Christ. Eat dick you fucking dorks.
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This entire saga, from leak to release, has been a debacle. We had AICN openly calling for a reviewer to lose his job for reviewing a workprint. We had mouthbreathing geeks chastising people for watching the workprint because "It's going to be so much better when it's finished.", which has been overwhelmingly shown to be untrue. We saw reviews of the workprint rejected from the site in clear contradiction to past site history. Yet it turns out the movie DOES suck, and suck badly. Harry's being kind. Maybe the cred the site lost over this will spur a return to the anti-establishment geek cred the site once had. Maybe Harry will grow some balls. But the chances of that are about the same as Harry walking to the mailbox---almost ZERO.
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Well, I'll try and avoid that experience. How about that Star Trek?
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Not sure what people were expecting. Not sure how people can say it lacked any kind of story. Better than X3. I didn't care that they short changed some popular characters because I'm not familiar with the comics. Also, it's called WOLVERINE, not "The Mutant Chronicles" or some shit, and even "X-men" was 98% about Wolverine, so why be so shocked that this was 100% about him? The other secondary characters not integral to the main plot shouldn't be more than just little nods to the comics anyway. AND I got a free ticket out of it because my dumb fuck theater decided to turn all the lights on an hour into the movie for about 10 minutes.
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Yeah, whatever. Sequel. 2012. And any dreams of this site returning to "anti-establishment geek credibility"? Sorry, no. Harry's in his late 30's. He's like Metallica or "Seinfeld" or iPods...everything gets old. When that happens, things either fade away or just continue to...be. Harry is now one of the "grand old men" of the World Wide Web's salad days. In relative terms, he's like a vaudeville star in the TV age. No shame in that. But AICN will never be the spy network it once was. There's no mystery to its methods anymore and the studios adjusted. Just enjoy the old act and leave the old man his dignity.
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...than I meant it to be. Oops.
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I think it's not so much that X2 looked expensive... it's that it was elegantly filmed and staged. If Bryan Singer had filmed that horrible bridge sequence in X3, it probably would've been a lot more convincing, no matter the cost.
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my uh, friend wants to know. yeah! friend.
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Pretty much sums up the feeling I got from the trailer. I'll probably still go see it because of the display of humble badassery mixed with refreshing gratitude Hugh Jackman did for those fans in AZ.
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http://tinyurl.com/dxa6ph
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That bridge scene was fucking embarrassing. And Singer did make the films look classy. I wasn't defending X3. I was just saying X2 actually looks pretty small for a comic book movie about this big, epic team. I don't think any of the X films captured the scope they should have. The opening credit sequence of the Fox cartoon felt more epic IMO.
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May 02, 2009 1:26:09 AM CDT
To join in on the having to pay to see this bitching...
by instantclassic
I used to work projection at two major movie theaters in downtown Seattle. For about 19 months. And about 12 of those months I got raw deals left and right. Under paid, over worked (the week of POTC 3 I worked almost 60 hours) just shat on left and right. My bosses who weren't high up enough to reward me always appreciated my commitment and help to them. That's whey whenever I walk in to their theaters I can get in for free. But I got my ticket tonight on Fandango. I'd seen the work print, I went cause I just wanted to say I gave it a real shot. As soon as I walked in to the theater my old senior manager who now is the GM at this one actually chastised me for paying. he was insulted that I wasn't using my connections for the free ticket. I have actually EARNED free movies for life from AMC and I don't take people up on it. There's been a time or two I've been guilty of it, but that was when I've been literally told my money was no good there. I've never gone in expecting a damn thing.
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Thank you for seeing the movie, Harry. I was quite upset that you "refused" to see it because Fox didn't give you a free pass. That is horrible business on your part.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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These comic characters and the stories they've lived over the last, oh, 50 years is so grandiose. It's hard to translate that to a 'live-action' setting (see: X1..."Would you prefer Yellow Spandex?" 'Cause it'd look like SHIT live action!). But the cartoons are the closest they can get to that 'epic' feel...'cause it still ain't real.
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Has anyone ever taken into consideration that Harry never watched the movie, made up a story, and wrote his review back when the workprint was first leaked? Change a few words here,update information here, and voila!
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Fuck you guys, only reason I still come here is to see the downfall of AintItCorporateNews
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Is reportedly the line Hugh Jackman's eight-year-old son uses to hit on middle school chicks.
Hope it works for the kid better'n "Yeah, I always thought my dad was gay, too, wanna go the mall?" -
oh wait, there isn't a talkbacker named that... yet
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I've never seen that before
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I'd love to hear a professionally produced recording of this talkback. English accents for everyone, with Ian Mckellen as the star. Which dick or penis would be choose to voice?As for Wolverine, I'll be skipping it. Kid's film.
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Gwyneth Paltrow reading. Gold.
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is more fun than being good. It's a fact with basis in scientific proof(check the MIT website archives). I think that's Wolvie's ultimate downfall as a character(he's badASS rather than straight-up bad... pity). No offense, Harry... but your backpedaling nonsense regarding this movie is simple P.T. Barnum 101. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and as usual, the same fools bought into it.Haven't read Miss Dupont's review just yet; didn't read yours and ain't gonna. Where's Vern when we really need him. BTW, to anyone who reads this post: GET YOUR ASS TO AMAZON.COM instanter and order a copy of "Seagalogy"; read & enjoy. I wailed through it in 3 days. Priceless stuff, every page.
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Just started it and the opening cinematic IS the Wolverine film you wish you had watched.
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Way to go Harry!
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I just leapt off a cliff edge to a helicopter and smashed thru the glass and grabbed the pilot and held him up to the blades and off with his head! Rent/Buy this game!!!
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I feel like I am a plant, but this game is fucking awesome!! I make video games. This game makes me want to take a week off work just to play this.
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...immortal? ;)p
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Hey, I'm gonna create this super indestructible guy, and later on he's gonna find out about me and maybe try and kill me. Oh well, what's on TV?
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cred remains zero
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So you can't complain about there being no gore. It's made for 12 yr olds. The 'No Gore' has been a problem since Die Hard 4. It's ridiculous. Same with Dark Knight. These films want to appear violent but they also need to beat the ratings board. The result is flaccid moviegoing. As you get older you realise these type of films aren't made for you. They're made for the children you are supposed to have had if you weren't too busy sitting your fat ass in a darkened room watching pieces of shit like this. As for this line in your review,
"I find it very odd that all Wolvie does is stab. I mean - wouldn't he do a mid-section slice and push to disengage torso from legs?"
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May 02, 2009 2:57:28 AM CDT
Gingerella tits and blood and gore won't change nothing to this
by theplant
A shit movie is a shit movie, regardless of the label, and WOLVERINE IS SHIT.
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didnt we all read a post last nite that he would wait till the home dvd came out as a result of fox dissing aicn??? fuck, harry is like the republicans...torture is bad....but waterboarding isnt torture...but waterboarding is bad...but no one should get punished for waterboarding...fuck this...im gonna go and download some free porn now
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Wtf?
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That is all.
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This from Nikki Finke--FRIDAY 10 PM UPDATE: Sources tell me that Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine had a stunning $35 million debut Friday thanks in part to the studio's widest release ever into 4,099 theaters. That number includes the $5 million midnight shows at 2,000 venues.) It's now possible for the franchise prequel to scoop up $90M this weekend if moviegoing stays strong, though a safer bet might be $85M.
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it was created to make money...thats it just like everything else rothman does the films make money and kill the franchise at the same time mcdonalds makes money...and that shit will kill you so sick of seeing people use box office of proof of anything as the great pt barnum once said, there is a sucker born every minute....so this way to the egress....suckers
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it's a wolverine movie, i am going to see it in the morning. I know i will like it. because it is wolverine brought to life, that just happened! SHUT THE FUCK UP! ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS VISUAL, SHUT THE FUCK UP! 10 SECONDS IS WORTH THE POPCORN! YOU ARE NOT TRUE FANS! A TRUE FAN HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN MORE THAN THE PAPER! I WANT, I WANT, TOO MUCH. SIT BACK RELAX ,GO WHAA? JUST REALIZE 20+ YEARS AGO HULK/DAREDEVIL. STRIKE THAT THE LATEST ? IT'S WOLVERINE ON THE BIG SCREEN. WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM IN A PINBALL MACHINE! HA SOME DAY.
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HA! win...all kinds of win
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The movie's gonna rake in the dough so Fox will have no reason to change the status quo for the next one. Expect more of the same: utter shit and mediocrity. Fuck Fox!
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I DON'T LIKE JAR JAR, I HOPE THIS MOVIE FAILS. I'M NOT TOO OLD.
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Didn't see the flick, so can someone fill me in on which wars we see Wolverine fighting in? And do they say he volunteered? Because he could've just been drafted. Pretty damn common until after Vietnam.
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Screw Harry, it's fucking distracting. Where's DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD review of this?
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Did I miss something?
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DON'T GET TOO DEEP, IT'S A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. THEY MAKE SHIT UP AS THEY GO ALONG OVER 30+ YEARS.ROM FORBID THEY TAKE LIBERTIES IN A FUCKING MOVIE!
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Are you talking in the movie? (in which case, I haven't seen yet so I have no help for ya')
In the COMICS, his birth name was James Howlett. But turns out, his biological father was the creepy, jerk groundskeeper on his family's land...whose last name was Logan. After he went crazy-go-nuts and popped his claws for the first time, killing his father, he went in to a catatonic state and was taken care of by his first love Rose...somewhere in there, when they were living together, he started going by 'Logan'. -
I'm a bit drunk, and it's been a couple years since I read 'Origin'...that might not be completely correct. But it's a damn good approximation!
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I enjoyed it. I saw the workprint a month ago and I couldn't wait to see the added footage.....you know the 4 seconds at the end of the credits. So weak.
I give the movie a sold 3 out of 5 stars. I enjoyed myself and honestly it could have been way way worse. Heres hoping they get their shit together and make the next Wolverine movie(hopefully set in japan) kick ass.
Also would it hurt to shoot some gory, violent, kickass scenes to put in a directors cut of the dvd/bluray?
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He's called James or Jimmy the whole time. And then the name Logan is on his dogtags. What the heck did I miss??
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After all that bitching, that's all you had to pay? The ticket price in Sweden is $12.50.. I don't know whether to laugh or cry! Those Commie bastards...
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Too bad it was terrible because it could've been fantastic. Superhero origin films are usually the easiest thing to get right because the story is so well known and here you've got a hero who doesnt know his history but does know lots of mind readers! Perfect! Easy! You bracket the history stuff as flashback (because we've seen his future all ready so where is the jeopardy in setting it present tense?), set up a villian and a deadly hook, cut back to present day final third and will wolvie die? Or just remake highlander.
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Again, bit drunk. :)
But, gah! From what I've heard, there was just too much history or plain ole' junk packed in to this movie, that a bunch of stuff gets skipped over or flat out ignored.
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ohhh goood for youuuuu and hows it feel to be right?
I want you off my fucking message boards you prick!
....well back to counting my mommy and daddies money. -
STARRING WILL SMITH AS STORM. JASON LEE AS CYCLOPS. GENE HACKMAN AS WOLVERINE. BRITNEY SPEARS AS DAZZLER. HAAAAA! AND OF COURSE SETH ROGEN AND PAUL RUDD AS WHATEVER, DIRECTED BY JUDD APATOW.
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MAKE IT HAPPEN ROTHMAN, KNOWLES. HEY THAT HAS A RING TO IT!
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You leave Gene Hackman alone sir .That shit's deff not proffesional
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Tom Rothman oviously hates movies and only got wherre he is by cleaning Murdochs taint with his serpents tongue! Why the fuck would you make films that have no respects for the source material or the fans of that,jeez.I can just imagine Ridley Scott wanting to make Alien today,he'd be told it'd have to be a ship full of The Hills rejects and the alien is actually a dope dealing college drop out who is redeemed at the end and has sex with Ripley.Oh and why the fuck do different prints have different post-title sequences?Is this so fanboys have to go and watch this abomination more than once to see everything?Fuck you Fox.Fuck you Rothman,i hope you get swine flu and die!!!!
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...that I smashed up all my Stargate DVDs in a fit of self-loathing and shame. Don't worry though, I'm fine now. I'm just off out to re-buy all of them.
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fuck u sizzle dick
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...they take you to exciting places beyond your wildest dreams
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...there's nothing better than trolling those boards, slagging off peoples' favourite show and getting lots of attention.
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You dont need to buy them,just come to the uk,they show SG1 and SG:A 24hrs a day on Sky.Thats owned by Murdoch too,just show repeats of that and The Simpsons.Fuck you Rothman!!!!
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The TITS I tell ya!!!!!
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I love that he managed to not even realise that Wolverine and Sabretooth are both Canadian. Even though there's a line about it in the film where Logan actually retorts to to Stryker's "Your country needs you!" with "I'm canadian".
I'm just glad that he was Paying attention. Good to see he's still heading in that Ebert direction of making the plot up in his head when he's decided he isn't going to like the movie. -
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'I approached the box office and the ticket guy was all set to comp me, but I said, "No, I'll pay for this one." ' you're the man.
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are that it has good opening but goes downhill after an hour. I am off to see this today. I dont allow harry or this site to dictate to what fims i see and I never have. or anyother site.
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This easily could/should have been at least two movies, not one, but if you gonna cram all this shit into one movie: The first act should have been about Wolverine and Creed's relationship, where the two differ, going through his military careeer and then walking away. The second act should have been the love story, focusing on Wolverine knowing that he will outlive his love, and it would have ended with her death and Wolverine finding out who killed her, and his failed attempts at revenge. Third act should have been his transformation and the final fight(s). Fuck the multitude of mutant cameos. Wade Wilson/Deadpool should not have been in this movie. Maybe the sequel or the third, but not this one. For a movie that has "Origin" in the title, we sure as fuck didn't find out much about his origin.
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i set my expectations really low. i understood how fox wanted to play the x-men movies. so when i watched Wolverine, it exceeded those expectations, and more. i could appreciate it for what it was. not what what i wanted it to be. and for that, i get to enjoy the movie better. Best x-men movie to date though.
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May 02, 2009 6:42:54 AM CDT
Wolverine is a cool character that had flaws (as well as claws)
by dioxholster
his flaw was magneto (looking at u roger ebert) and his mysterious past made him vulnerable.
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Although, I did just pick up X-men and X-2 on BLU-RAY....AWW, FUCK ME! Fuck U Rothman!
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really, for fucks sake. it isnt that bad, its actually pretty entertaining. sure, it looks like a jumped up episode of smallville starring wolverine but it has the awesomeness that is hugh jackman to keep it at least watchable.
at the end of the day its a kids film, like all super hero movies and all you people seem to forget that, stop takin it so seriously.
what frightens me is how you can pound on a flawed but decently entertaining film like wolverine and give watchmen such a glowing review. now thats over two hours of my life i want back. -
the first two x men films are over rated.
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whats the point about that?
maybe u found the ticket or quint or ur dad gave it 2 u, or maybe ur wife loves hugh naked ass way over urs so what does it prove?
its funny all ur anti campaign against wolverine because fox wont buy u a ticket and maybe u convienced 50 people not 2 see it and in the end u went to see it, ur joke man!
anyway i bet u saw the workprint and send ur wife to see it in the cinema...thats lame daddy, very lame! -
This kinda shit just doesn't cut it anymore. The first X-Men got a huge fucking pass for its blunders because it was the first of the big boys. Sorry that free pass is expired. Their is no excuse for a film this bad.
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It's just entertainment, not the end of all life as we know it! There's a recession going on amongst other far more serious shit, and you know what? I just wanna go to the movies and escape all that for two hours or whatever! But Michael Bay will always suck! ;)
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I thought Prof X looked better in the workprint. More time needed to be spent in the past. The Team X should of been played up more. Will I am should of been shot and go back to waiting for fergie to come back for a BEP Reunion. The Whole Stryker group was no Department H. The Whole Admantinum Bonding Process scene felt like The Bane Scene in Batman and Robin.Anything that came make me think about Batman and Robin is not a compliment:) The new endings? The Deadpool ending scene kinda of neat but would of loved the mouth to be open and him saying " I have a headache or something" Guy playing Blob was a Douche and the Mega Fat Suit or whatever made me think of Norbit. I smiled when Wolverine was leaked online because of the near Debacle with Watchmen but even with that smile this movie will make mega money this weekend and will be one of the blockbusters of the summer if not the year. Im not a movie snob but us AICN talkbackers are the minority in where it really counts. the majority of the movie going public will like this movie. Kids Love it and most parents will go well it distracted them for a bit. What I liked about the movie? Not having to pay for it a month ago * Snare Drum* what I didnt like feeling Pirate Guilt and then paying for it LOL but it was a Matinee and that picture of Harry with his movie ticket saying I hate that it was leaked and even though if youve likely seen more Screeners then anybody put together is kinda of Sell Outish. The trailers before the movie were sweet. Hadnt seen the District 9 trailer before and was intrigued and excited. Adam Sandler Funny People looks like Spnaglish meets Waterboy but still looks better then most of his stuff of the last few years. Ive seen Wolverine and Waiting for Star Trek next Friday and then Salvation afterwards. Its the Summer most of the movies are junk food for the brain
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Seriously....better than the movie!
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Shadow King make me feel something. Make me Feel Make Me Feel:)
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so much effort for convincing people not 2 see it and then he "went" to see it himself!
even though i think he saw the workprint and his wife went to see it in the cinema?!;)
i mean it pretty lame bitchin about fox and etc and he saw the x3 in the cinema and maybe the fanta 4 movies and wolverine cant be that bad like fanta 4?!
what about "avatar" are going to bitch about that movie 2 if fox wont buy u the ticket?
what about spidey 4 but "basterds" aint done yet and u already wrote the best review about that movie, even u didnt saw shit just went to berlin for a free ride on behalf of tarantino, so whats the point u give away great reviews if someone buys u the ticket?what about u make extra offers "buy 2 tickets and u get 3 great reviews"?!;)
like i`ve written before dude u aint a good guy anymore, ur a corrupt ass these days, like in the comic universe ur one of the bad guys now!
i writer always should stay with the truth uncorrupt, not to buy, untouchable...maybe u should start to watch a lot of the movies u once liked new...to see what people do for the truth and still being untouchable!
if u loved dark knight so much...try to be one in ur own way...be a hero again not someone everyone can buy.
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May 02, 2009 7:38:05 AM CDT
Harry is right about the SFX. What on EARTH cost 140 mil?
by knowthyself
And why does X2 still look better than its sequels which had HIGHER budgets? Bring back Singer...PLEASE!
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The Obligitory fight between two talkbackers? Or the one person who will point out someones Grammar or someone saying "Brotha" or Sexiest Beanpole on the Planet. Wheres My Chuck Talkback or Harry you "Deameaning Comment" even though most talkbackers would love to have his life and access to the industry. So Much Hate my fellow geeks so much hate *Picks up Hippie Guitar* Dont take the brown acid my feelow spazs and love one another in not Gay way unless you are Gay and thats ok Cause the Future is there for you and me. Damn im still down about quoting Norbit and Batman and Robin
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but X-Men Last Stand blew so bad and Wolverine was a little bit better. Whos Cameo was longer Emma Frost or Lil Wade Wilson?
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isnt Asian hes Dutch for christsakes. Dutch I tells ya DUTCHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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once u go white u cant go black, my dick is huge.
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Good review, Harry. Thanks! I had such high hopes for a Gavin Hood-directed film, but this story seems to have fallen flatter than a pancake.
Ebert wrote, "Why should I care about this guy? He feels no pain and nothing can kill him, so therefore he's essentially a story device for action sequences."
This is exactly what I think. This is why he comes across as silly, bloated, and paper thin. Especially when compared to "Iron Man" or "The Dark Knight." It's laughable how utterly wrong the film got it.
Wolverine could've become a wonderfully complex, embittered, conflicted, asskicking hero people enjoyed talking about, but Fox played it safe, ordering blandness instead of blood and sweat and pounding pulses. The audience for this film isn't adults, it's twittering, sugar-slurping thirteen year olds.
It's sad, really. After "Iron Man," "The Dark Knight," and "The Hulk" soared to such huge critical AND box office success, Fox still doesn't get it. By "it," I mean realizing that studios CAN make well-written, well-directed superhero film without pussing out.
"Wolverine" pussed out.
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gay is not okay, because God gave them a dick to use on a woman not on a man.
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he wanted the cash, like QOS director who made the worst bond movie ever
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I just don't get it.
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Halle Berry, funny stuff
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$500m worldwide
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Mel Gibson in the hatchet forest scene in The Patriot. Yes?
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looooooool!:)
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Is Wolverine amazing? No, how could it be? It was as good as I expected a "prequel" to be. Gambit was great, the movie didn't drag. I went to see the midnight showing b/c my wife was desperate to see it so I wasn't thrilled about staying up later, but enjoyed it.
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What's with the anti-gay shit? And why say your dick is huge on a talkback that is almost certainly 99% male? Figure it out :P
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Harold saw it. Now he knows what he's talking about. Anyways.
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Let's be serious here, how many superhero movies are there where you don't have to "check your brain at the door?" I'm not going to go one by one, but they're all preposterous to begin with, that's not what makes them good, bad, or great.
The problem with Wolverine is that we know how it's going to end. We know the woman he loves can't live, we know he doesn't remember any what takes place. The flaw is that it's difficult to feel anything by eh for the characters (does this sound familiar).
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I like to come to this site for a lot of general info about movies and dvd's. But, over the years I have been turned off by spoilers and peoples just generally bashing movies based on who's involved because for some reason these people are " incompetant ". I liked it. I've collected and read comics for the last 30 years. I don't go into these movies with anything more than just being entertained.Yes, I want great films but like anything in life the great stuff is few and far between. Was Wolverine great, maybe not but I had a good time and I like the fact the Hugh Jackman tries to give the fans what they want and isn't trying to distant himself from the character that made him. Also Liev was spot on as Sabertooth. I thought he was excellant.
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Seriously, people need to chill out. Yes, the movie moved very fast, and yes, they messed with Deadpool a bit, but overall I thought it was pretty good. At one time I considered myself a comic fan (when I was 15-20), but I'm 36 now and I've learned to take things different. I remember in 1989 when Burton's Batman came out and people going apeshit for it. I hated it. Come on, it was all about the Joker, they raped Batman mythos, and Vicki Vale got in the Batcave! That movie made a mint and changed comics. My friends (who were not the comic fans I was) loved it and thought it was awesome. Now I consider myself like my friends for Wolverine. I know probably more about the character than the average moviegoer, but am no expert and I loved the movie. The crowd I saw it with seemed very happy with the film and I even heard one group talking afterward, with one lady saying: "I don't see all the fuss. That was a pretty entertaining movie." Pretty much sums it up I think.
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You know it to be so. Search your feelings.
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Why did they leave the harness wires in? And the effects looked like they were done on an Atari. It fucking sucked.
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Have you see Watchmen? Simply the most breathtaking film of the genre in every imaginable way. In story, acting, and visual artistry. I never read the graphic novel but to me Zack Snyder is God of this genre. If he ever did a movie with Christian Bale I will never have to watch another movie again. I'll just watch that one for the rest of my days.
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of any worth is magneto. stewart and mckellern as the two friends who fell out. epic stuff awaits. If they make that movie. I would love to see a badass professor x. you got a hint of that in the x-men movies.
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May 02, 2009 9:00:57 AM CDT
AND WAS THERE A WATCHMEN / PIZZA HUT / SLURPEE TIE-IN?
by bringingsexyback
Zack Snyder = Ultimate Professional.
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I consider myself a fanboy and geek, but I will never be in that midnight showing crowd. You know, the ones who secretly congratulate themselves over their encyclopedic knowledge of the "source material" and think it is witty to verbally twitter the screen. Shut up, no one cares.
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to be so easily fooled into believing that his woman was dead? Sabretooth pours a bottle of red liquid all over her, and Wolverine -- with super-keen sense of smell -- can't detect that it's a fake? Geeky nitpicky problem, but that was the lowpoint for me in the writing, which is saying something for this turkey.
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Eating four dozen pancakes will do that to you.
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Claremont and Byrne are rolling in their graves.
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.....people are assholes. The public at large turned out for Wolverine and it will end up with $80-$90 million for the weekend. Point is you people are disconnected retards lead by Harry who is a dick!
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Missed that memo
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May 02, 2009 9:13:57 AM CDT
why do all the people here hate every fuckin movie!
by candy ass monkey suit
I've been a long time reader and contributor to the posts on this site but it's been getting me down that almost every big film is constantly fuckin slated on this site! I thought we were here coz we loved movies period! Ok it doesnt mean you have to love eevry fim but was wolverine as bad as some have made out..no fuckin way! I mean im in a minority i guess in that i actually kinda dug X3!, though id did have a few probs it was pretty good and was well paced. Wolverine is as good as X1 OR X3 but not X2..is it as bad as elekrta or catwoman..i think people have forgotton a whole slew of really bad superhero movies weve had in the last few years but since the dark knight came out everyone expects that quality in a film and it just aint gonna happen folks!!!Just coz it aint as good as TDK don't mean its a rubbish film. I throughly enjoyed wolverine but then im not a comic book geek..never have been. I don't really care if deadpool or Gambit are portrayed 100% as they are in the comics or not. All im concerned is whether the movie is good and wolverine was.
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I did see that sprawling, boring, and completely unwatchable film. There's no character development and no reason to care about anyone in the movie. The fact you mention Bale and Snyder tells me all I need to know. You're in love w/ the hype and the personalties.
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I've been ranting about Harry's always-positive reviews alot lately. Finally he gets critical about a movie for a change. Maybe Harry should buy tickets for every movie he sees.
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You ALMOST made me believe that you really went to the theater to see this...and then you posted a picture of the ticket against a computer screen!!! That proves nothing ass bag!!
I wanted to see a picture of you in the theater ..holding the ticket with the movie (Wolverine of course!!) in the background behind you!!! Lying bastard!!! -
Never cared what anyone said about any movie before, don't care now.
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Sorry, I messed up. Still looking back (man I'm old, being nostalgic and everything), I watch Batman now and think, "That's a good movie." Sure Begins was way better, and Dark Knight was great too, but I guess the older you get, the more you appreciate things for what they are, not what they could have been. Batman & Robin still sucks but I think Wolverine will do just fine in the long run.
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They're not proud tickets. Standing straight, crisp. Ready for preservation and display for future generations to see. Instead they look like they already know they're destined for the trash can. Or worse...destined to be burned. I hope you put them out of their misery quickly.
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But Dougray Scott would have been better had he taken the role
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Where the F did teen Cyclops find those--Sunglass Hut? I'm not 100% up on my Cyclops canon, but wasn't he discovered by Professor Xavier after his optic blasts activated and he almost crushed a crowd with a steel beam(thanks, wikipedia)? It's a crap movie. Poor writing, bad effects, and ZERO respect for the source material. Besides, wouldn't CYCLOPS have told Wolverine about their adventure on Three Mile Island sometime---since they were living in the same damned house? I sure hope Marvel does the Cap movie and the rest of the Avengers solo movies right, because the last two X-Men movies have been painful to watch.
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What the fuck is it with all these Jackman apologists "oh he's a nice guy" "oh i like hugh jackman"
The fucker is an bland corporate shill. No creative talent, just a fucking song and dance man, and those aren't creative talents those are things monkeys in the zoo can be taught to do. I get the feeling when the corporate overlords show their hand and start the inevitable human cull, and implanting of microchips into the rest of us, it will be Hugh Jackman's face on the jumbotron's around the world delivering the propaganda to the masses. And the iron fist will be happily accepted up your ass because "everybody likes Hugh Jackman." -
wasnt enough that they had to eff with weapon x canon, they effed with xmen canon too...as well as the hellfire club and the inhumans
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This is how comic book movies are supposed to be made.
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yes...you are
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I'm one of the Claremont-era X-Men comic fans that thought X1 was a decent, though pedestrian flick, kind of like the first SPIDER-MAN movie (though Raimi stuck much, much closer to the source material than Singer did). X2 was a vast improvement, since all the introductions were out of the way and they could focus on just telling a story, though they also capably introduced some of the key mutants missing from the first one (Nightcrawler, Colossus, Jean Grey on her way to becoming Phoenix, etc.).
What I don't get, however, is why everybody hates X3 so bad. I mean, of course, Ratner is a joke, particularly when he had the gall to remake MANHUNTER and proclaim his version to be the "true" version, but X3 is fine, especially if you want to stack it up against SUPERMAN RETURNS (or, if you will, "Bryan Singer's SUPERMAN III"). He was the third director hired to direct, he had no time to prep the movie and he still managed to to turn in something that stacks up quality and story-wise with the previous two. Cyclops getting killed was out of his hands; Rothman had it in for Marsden when he wanted to jump ship and act in SUPERMAN RETURNS. Did you really expect a fully-realized Dark Phoenix saga, with the Krulls and the Starjammers and the whole nine yards? The Alcatraz ending wasn't as profound as that cheesy Statue Of Liberty fight at the end of X1? Too many mutants from the comic book showed up? The idea of a mutant "cure" was more lame-brained than Magneto trying to turn everybody in the world into mutants in the first one? I'm not clear on what movie you were expecting. Sure, it would have been great to have a thoughtful, drawn-out treatment of the Dark Phoenix, with an epic resolution that neatly tied up the trilogy, but a) I'm not exactly sure Bryan Singer's X3 would have been in any way, shape or form different (except Cyclops may have lived all the way through it), b) I doubt anyone at Fox would have allowed it to be "neatly tied up" and c) most of the deviations from the source material were in place from the first film on. I'm the last person on Earth who would wanna defend Brett Ratner, but I honestly believe the X3 we got was probably as good as it was ever gonna get. In fact, I'll go so far as to once again point to SUPERMAN RETURNS and suggest that, maybe, we got lucky and didn't get a worse one from Singer. -
Yeah I understand his position, and you are spot on. IndustryKiller thinks The Dark Knight is the best genre picture ever and he has zero patience for any genre film that doesn't "try". And while I agree with him in philosophy, I don't agree with putting down people that go to the films or that enjoy them. Yeah, stopping those people might be the only way to get better films made, but I truly don't believe that will happen. It will just mean these movies will stop getting made. They'll look at the box office and think "Comic book movies aren't selling anymore," not "We should have made this movie better." The problem lies with those in power- the producers, the studio heads, the people with the money. Now yes, if Fox movies fail, then their main problem, Tom Rothman, might get fired, and then, arguably, the quality of films coming out of FoX will be better. But I don't agree with insulting everyone that went to see the movie or enjoyed it. FUCK THAT. I actually DO want to go see Wolverine (and probably will tonight after enjoying "Free Comic Book Day" at the local comic shop and getting some free sketches from industry artists), but I fully expect to dislike it. And I have fun with that. I've seen the preview and shook my head and cursed the screen ("Why the FUCK is Cyclops in this shit? Why does Wolverine have to walk away from ANOTHER explosion without flinching? Is he really flying toward a helicopter?"), but all this controversy has made me very interested in seeing it. Am I giving my money to people that don't deserve it? Probably. But I don't download films illegally, and I really cherish the theater-going shared-experience with others. So I'm looking forward to going out tonight, sitting with a huge crowd, watching the film, laughing, shaking my head, cursing, and waiting to hear how many people clap and cheer, and how many people angrily boo and hiss. I think its going to be fun (and definitely a fun argument with my friends).
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This is your site that you built based on your passion for film and you allow strangers to comment on your thoughts. That's a pretty bold endeavor. You have to be pretty thick-skinned to do that. Usually, I'd recommend that you ignore all the "haters". But this time, they're right. What the hell was that nonsense about making a stand and not seeing a film? And almost immediately, you turn around and see it? I did NOT read your review because whatever excuse you hacked out as to why you DID end up seeing it is pointless. You went to see it when you made SUCH a fucking stink about not seeing it. Any guilty emotions you may be having right now about yourself and your integrity are felt justifiably. As a matter of fact, wallow in them. You shit the bed. Lay in it.
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-Angel is wasted, a complete non-character -Magneto's character is betrayed and changed by the powers that be. Based on his setup in the first 2 films, he would NEVER leave Mystique to fend for herself just because she lost her power. They obviously have a strange, loving relationship. Magneto would not just give up and say "You're not one of us." That was put in simply as a shorthand for the audience ("SEE? This guy is EVIL!!!") and as a plot device so that later Mystique can get revenge by telling the government where Magneto is hiding. Its bullshit, and it contradicts the Magneto from X1 and X2. - The hype about how this is the "LAST" X-Men film, but then they leave setups for sequels regarding Magneto and Xavier - Killing Cyclops and Xavier. Nuff said. - Another contradiction with X2- the Phoenix. No sign of fire, no flicker of heat in those eyes. Bullshit. You're telling me that even at the end, as Wolverine stabs her, she doesn't flame up ONCE?
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"-Angel is wasted, a complete non-character"
Again, that was probably an edict from Fox, to cram as many comic characters in it as possible. That being said, he was a critical element of the plot, we got to see him zipping around on his wings ... he probably had more to do than Colossus did in X2. It wasn't like they were gonna make him the de facto leader of the X-Men.
"-Magneto's character is betrayed and changed by the powers that be. Based on his setup in the first 2 films, he would NEVER leave Mystique to fend for herself just because she lost her power. They obviously have a strange, loving relationship. Magneto would not just give up and say "You're not one of us." That was put in simply as a shorthand for the audience ("SEE? This guy is EVIL!!!") and as a plot device so that later Mystique can get revenge by telling the government where Magneto is hiding. Its bullshit, and it contradicts the Magneto from X1 and X2."
First of all, without her powers, she was a normal human and Magneto had no more use for her, that's what I got out of it. In fact, his reaction to this seems to indicate he's revolted by her transformation. Second of all, Magneto IS the bad guy. I didn't think this was out of character for him.
"- The hype about how this is the "LAST" X-Men film, but then they leave setups for sequels regarding Magneto and Xavier"
You honestly thought at any point it was gonna be the "last" X-MEN movie?
"- Killing Cyclops and Xavier. Nuff said."
I addressed why they killed off Cyclops. It was childish and clumsy, especially after two films of establishing the character, but the movie, surprisingly, handled it. And it's been a while since I saw X3, but wasn't the coda of the film Xavier waking up in bed with Moira Taggert attending to him? Or did he just disintegrate?
"- Another contradiction with X2- the Phoenix. No sign of fire, no flicker of heat in those eyes. Bullshit. You're telling me that even at the end, as Wolverine stabs her, she doesn't flame up ONCE?"
Probably because they already had Pyro zipping around, shooting fireballs and whatnot. I'm not even sure they ever address Jean Grey as "Phoenix" in the film, but that would have been weird, because she spent a fair amount of time AS the "Phoenix" (her X-Men code name) in the comic book, fighting alongside the good guys, before transforming into "Dark Phoenix" after her power drove her insane. While seeing some primo Phoenix effects would have made the movie ten million times better, I still contend they did the best they could with the tools they had. -
Granted, it's a bit meh, but it's not the clusterfuck that X3 was. X3 has zero redeeming features, whereas Jackman and Schreiber gave pretty solid peformances in this film.
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Which ballparks it's final domestic above $200 million. Face it, this movie is not going to be a flop. FOX's bastardization of this character and franchise has been rewarded by the masses. But if WOLVERINE can rake in that kind of dough, STAR TREK might be looking at a $130 million opening (and a $300 million domestic gross).
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Why do comic-based superhero films continue to suck? What happened to the fucking halo-glow of Iron Man and Dark Knight from last year?
What happened to the fangasm of interlinking all the Marvel films into one universe? Even the second shitty 'Hulk' film at least does that.
I was considering going to see this X-Men film, because I enjoyed Jackman's "Wolverine" character, but after the horrid reviews from press and fans alike, I'll wait. I empathize with Harry's disappointment in the press reviews (though not with his initial reason for a boycott). Could it really be such a pile of shit? Even the good reviews say it sucks. Someone at 'Rotten Tomatoes' is getting a C-note for every bad review that shows as 'fresh.'
If there is one positive, this film could be a watershed example about how to fuck up a no-brainer moneybags franchise. Set rumors about directorial incompetence, re-shoots, leaked unfinished copies of the film, and a shit final product point to general corporate incompetence across several departments in FOX. Wolverine will be the shining example of SHIT for all subsequent big-budget comicbook film-makers.
FOX should try and salvage it with more footage on the DVD, plus the leaked working copy, and some honest commentary as to what happened.
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...she's pissed you paid to see this, harry. I'm pissed too. We're both pissed, and decided to elope together. That's how bad wolverine is.
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It's sad when, despite all the negative heat, you still buy a ticket. --I am a geek.
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Probably was excited about Hugh , anything else?
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Woah! You totally showed all those doubters of you seeing the flick wrong! Slamma-jamma! But to bad you won't defend yourself or even bother to make an argument on Let the Right One In or hypocrisy of the AotC workprint you reviewed. Those aren't easy and simple arguments where you can blindly win, eh? Coward.
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"I addressed why they killed off Cyclops. It was childish and clumsy, especially after two films of establishing the character, but the movie, surprisingly, handled it. And it's been a while since I saw X3, but wasn't the coda of the film Xavier waking up in bed with Moira Taggert attending to him? Or did he just disintegrate?"
The coda was Xavier waking up, yes. As for Cyclops, it was just bereft of any emotional resonance. Clumsily handled indeed.
"Probably because they already had Pyro zipping around, shooting fireballs and whatnot. I'm not even sure they ever address Jean Grey as "Phoenix" in the film, but that would have been weird, because she spent a fair amount of time AS the "Phoenix" (her X-Men code name) in the comic book, fighting alongside the good guys, before transforming into "Dark Phoenix" after her power drove her insane. While seeing some primo Phoenix effects would have made the movie ten million times better, I still contend they did the best they could with the tools they had." Still bullshit. Just because you've got a character shooting fireballs does not mean you CAN'T continue what you started in the previous film- namely that the Phoenix is a fiery personality. And yes, they DID call her Phoenix in the film, which only applied to the idea of coming back from the dead. All I ask for is consistency. Show some fire in her eyes, give the fans something to work with (instead of shitting on them), and have her flame up into the Phoenix shape once- at the end- when she dies. I didn't even get into the absolute lameness that was the Iceman/Pyro fight. Look, sometimes I enjoy parts of X3 (Frasier as Beast, the Akira-like ending with shit flying everywhere), but when I think of it as a whole, it just infuriates me. That said, I have a bigtime X-Men comic book fan who enjoys X3 the most out of the trilogy bc it reminds him most of what it was like as a kid, growing up with X-Men. -
"Again, that was probably an edict from Fox, to cram as many comic characters in it as possible. That being said, he was a critical element of the plot, we got to see him zipping around on his wings ... he probably had more to do than Colossus did in X2. It wasn't like they were gonna make him the de facto leader of the X-Men." Yes, probably an edict from FOX to cram more characters in- that's exactly why its a bad idea. And Angel is NOT crucial to the plot. He didn't do shit. Why put Angel in promo cards and stills wearing an X-Men suit if he NEVER joins them or does anything worthwhile (other than save his dad)? Hell, the shot of him flying away didn't seem to instill any hope in any mutants waiting in line to get a cure, like it should have. Would have been better to have him save a mutant who was about to by lynched by a mob. And Colossus was an easter egg in X2. They never hyped him up as being an important part of the film, like they did with Angel.
"First of all, without her powers, she was a normal human and Magneto had no more use for her, that's what I got out of it. In fact, his reaction to this seems to indicate he's revolted by her transformation. Second of all, Magneto IS the bad guy. I didn't think this was out of character for him." I agree that Magneto might be repulsed by her and have no use for her as a human, but that is NOT how they set up the relationship between the two. They were more than just comrades in idea and execution, more than just soldiers sharing a plan. They were setup as potential lovers, deeply caring friends. Hell, Mystique saved Magneto by jumping in front of the cure-dart, and THAT is how he shows his gratitude? Its bullshit. A better way to show Magneto is the bad guy (without betraying the character) would be to have Magneto get pissed and KILL the soldier that shot her. That would have kept Mags a villain but also preserved the character as he had been developed in the past 2 films. Instead they used it as a lame plot device to ensure the government knows where Magneto's troops are hiding later in the movie.
"You honestly thought at any point it was gonna be the "last" X-MEN movie?" No, never did. It just pisses me off that FOX would lie to the fans in order to get butts in the seats. -
Making changes from comic to movie is completely understandable. It might ruffle feathers, but it's just plain necessary sometimes. I understand why comic geeks get upset with this, but I can give them a pass as long as the changes make sense.
Now, destroying the continuity of your own films? That's maddening. The time line established in the X-Films is torn to shreds simply for the convenience of this movie. That's lazy fucking film making. -
You're a reviewer, Harry. You should be able to elucidate the intricacies of a movie, the more abstract points and themes. Instead, you gave a glossing of one of the most beloved characters in the Marvel U, and you didn't even expand upon the plot or characters, or conflict. This looks like it was written by a guy with a half-assed knowledge of Wolverine; not by the boss of AICN. You should be ashamed of how terrible this is. You're a much better reviewer than this. If you continue to churn out crap, and put as much effort into reviewing as you do to expelling gas, you should be removed from this website, and it should be shifted into more capable hands.
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Can you imagine if it wasn't pirated??? Fox gets the last laugh and my money...it already made more than Watchmen...
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Good for you Harry! OSX FTW!
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May 02, 2009 11:46:30 AM CDT
NEMOV: 'WATCHMEN SPRAWLING, BORING AND UNWATCHABLE'
by bringingsexyback
Only if you've got ADD and need spoon feeding. Get help for your condition, and enjoy your Slurpee.
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it will be another one week wonder when Angels and Demons crushes it the next week...then t4...just saying,early bird gets the worm...
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May 02, 2009 11:58:48 AM CDT
This is Harry saying "Mea Culpa..I really want to see Avatar"
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
FOX MOVIE
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If you're not paying for it, it's theft, plain and simple.
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Origins was bad ass. I didn't take it too seriously, I just had fun with it. I was more interested in seeing Hood's first foray into big budget comic book filmmaking then an origin story about the wildly overrated Jackman and his/singer's version of Wolverine. But i loved it. It wasn't spectacular and didnt' hold a candle to X2 or The Dark Knight or alot of the more brilliant comic book flicks but i wasnt expecting that. I did kind of wish Brian Cox had played Stryker though. I loved Huston, but bringing Cox into it would have been fun.
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Wolverine, Star Trek, Angels & Demons,Terminator: Salvation, Night At the Museum 2 (WTF), and Up. That's a lot of tentpole/summer films that are getting released a full month before Summer even begins.
Yet, I'm more excited about movies like Drag Me To Hell and The Brothers Bloom than most of this stuff. Because you know those films are gonna come and go real fast, whereas the others are gonna be around for awhile.
Hopefully this pig flu shit will go away and we'll see people packing theaters. For the blockbusters and the little films. Because man, it would sure be something to see some "small" films make big bucks and therefore prompt studios to make more of 'em.
Of course I'm all hopped on pills right now, so I'm pretty sure that's just wishful thinking. -
2002 called. It wants it's opinion back.
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Isn't it supposed to fuck our eyeballs out????
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35 mill last night...
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Harry posts an "official position," gets his fat ass handed to him once again by the majority of users on his own site, caves, goes (maybe) to see a movie he's pre-disposed to hate, as opposed to one he's predisposed to bone up for, pays for it because the teenager behind the counter wouldn't know who the fuck he was if he arrived with Angelina Jolie on his arm, writes some lies about the experience and cuts-and-pastes them into a three-week-old "review" - I'm not saying he downloaded a leaked print (wink-wink); I'm just saying he's been writing this negative review since Warner Brothers released WATCHDUD - and claims that he's a professional Hollywood mover-and-shaker.
Dude, shit shakes when you walk past it for reasons other than you've used to convince yourself.
Responsibility for this flick rests with its producers. Um, isn't one of them named Hugh Jackman? That's two critical bombs in a row. How many before we can forget about you, too? -
Thing is people just love him no matter what...he's like Tom Cruise and Will Smith, mostly they make shit movies that everyone lines up and pays to see. I Am Legend was more of a raping then Wolverine will ever be. It had no fuckin resemblence of the book. That is a fuckin fact!!!
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on TV last night. Absolutely fucking terrible.
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Nice piece on Watchmen. It was indeed a dumb movie. A lot of wasted potential.
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This site failed to make Watchmen the fucking tits and now failed to destroy Fox's Wolverine...Face it fanboys you lost. Fox, Papa John's, Schick Quattro and 7-11 are all laughing in the dollars. Now go throw on the Dark Knight or Tales of the Black Freighter and cry to sleep. Next week Wolvy 2, Deadpool and whatever else will be green lighted.
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Please stop with the fuckin complaining. Jackman will forever be Wolverine as is: Depp=Sparrow, McGuire=Spidey etc...
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http://tinyurl.com/cnxd7x I guess the other one wasn't Japanese enough?
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FAGS!!
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X-Men feels confined and kinda cheap. None of the characters outside of Wolverine and Rogue are given any character moments. Easily forgettable film, but it gets a pass since it's the film introduction of Wolverine.
X2? Pretty good opening Nightcrawler scene (that ends with...a dagger...wtf?). And there's the soldiers infiltrating the mansion scene, which shows off killing Wolverine killing soldiers albiet in terribly staged action (a Singer trademark). And another Wolvie fight at the end which ends with him defeating his enemy...with a hose. What else is there to this movie that makes people love it? Honestly. Magneto preens like a ladyboy. Cyclops disappears for most of the movie. There's a terrible airplane chase where as long as you don't physically touch a tornado with your plane, you'll be fine. Which ends with Magneto magically appearing to save the X-plane. But there's the awesome climax where the X-Men...don't do much against uninteresting normal soldiers. And Jean inexplicably sacrifices herself and Logan cries like a baby and then puts on a really gay shirt. Really? This is the movie you all love?
X3 isn't any better. And it's certainly not any worse. Its plot is as thin as the first 2 X-Men movies. And the team sits around doing nothing for a large part of the movie. They don't even have an interesting debate on the cure. Super, fucking, hot Storm argues that mutants should accept their "gifts"...so insensitive to the blue furball standing next to her and the poor girl that can't touch anyone. Sweet move, Storm. Good leadership. However, at least there's some good action. The showdown in the Grey house is pretty well done, with Juggernaut tossing Wolverine around. I don't mind the bridge sequence. Magneto is showing off. It's what he does. The final showdown is pretty large with a lot of mutant/mutant action. Colossus finally shows up for more than a second. Flaming, flying cars? Pretty cool. Wolverine facing down Dark Phoenix is pretty good. His killing her fits their "arc" (if you can call it that) from the first 2 movies. Phoenix herself could have been fit better into the story (or should have been its focus...maybe one of her rampages is the impetus for the cure being developed?). However, try to create the Dark Phoenix story without the cosmic elements....they did a decent job of this.
Wolverine? First half is okay. But like most action movies these days, none of it has any gravity and the main character is rather dull. Wolverine is just not interesting on his own. They're too scared to dirty up their franchise character. He should have innocent blood on his hands. We don't get to see the consequences of his raging out, and therefore why he feels compelled to control himself. Yeah, he kills his real father in a moment of rage, but this is largely forgetten and not touched upon again. Liev is alright as Sabretooth, but again, they restrain him too much. If he's the opposite of Logan, let's see him let his rage out. He's way too controlled in the film. And then it becomes a calvacade of unnecessary cameos. I'm not sure why they felt compelled to make solo character movie larger than the team movies...just confusing to me. But it's not really much worse than the other X-Men movies. They all feel rushed and incomplete storywise with little intersting character development. -
Screw everybody. Grew up watching the cartoon series, reading a few of the comics, even buying a freaking kids novel about the origins of Wolverine -- and I had a heck of a good time at the movie. I win.
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It seems like it's so hard these days for people to just fucking enjoy anything. For the love of god, why do I even post here anymore. I just end up pissed off.
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Yeah I agree, the X-Men films were never as epic as they should have been. X3 certainly had some epic ideas but Ratner totally blew it, and Singer felt like he was holding back (though I'll take holding back over going over the top). Anyway, I think I need to play this Wolverine game... after seeing the preview at Gametrailers... looks better than anything I've seen in an X movie.
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May 02, 2009 1:49:41 PM CDT
Anyone going to mount an actual defense of this crap?
by industrykiller!
Or are we just gonna get a lot of "I dont get what the fuss is, I had fun!" Well your easy amusement notwithstanding, the film still has nothing going for it on any quantifiable level. What would it have taken for you not to have fun at a Wolverine movie? Would they have had to have accidentally switched the print with Remains of the Day? I mean even as an action film it's a total failure. The scenes are shot like a bad sci fi movie (or X3), with obvious wire work and melodramatic and silly shot composition. The fights are poorly choreographed and have no sense of character to them. Does the EXCECUTION of the action really mean nothing to you as long as its happening? Does the art of filmmaking really mean nothing? Anyoe who enjoys it as a comic book level clearly isnt a fan of comic books. Wolverine goes out of its way to make characters two dimensional and hokey. It also throws them nonsensically into the mix with no regard whatsoever for plot. I've been clamoring to see Gambit on screen too but I wanted him to be written with reason and purpose and be played by an actor who wasn't totally incompetent in the role i.e. should at least be able to KIND OF do the accent, which Taylor Kitsch can't. Is ANY iteration of Gambit really acceptable? Are comic books as a medium nothing but time wasting serialized characterless cartoons? Not even worthy of the most basic of faithful interpretations? Or are people just amused by anything nowadays. It's gone passed the point of shutting off your brain and become a complete inability to turn it on in the first place.
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but I'm glad those who enjoyed it had a good time.There's nothing like regretting spending your money.
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and have really cool team fight sequences. But those should be DONE WELL. X3 and WOlverine both have B-movie level action directing and moreover they eschew character in favor of it. This is not an acceptable trade off for what we have always wanted. The first two X-Men films, while by no means whatsoever great films, at least do some very good character work. X3 and Wolverine get neither the character nor the action, and they scrape the bottom of the barrel in both categories.
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HOW CAN ANY SELF RESPECTING HUMAN BEING LIKE THIS PIECE OF CRAP ! must be a mutant or something, brain mutation is the worst
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The fact you can only respond with petty name calling sums up your superficial argument. I went to see Watchmen with six people and no one liked it. People were laughing at how bad it was during the movie. It's just a mess.
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May 02, 2009 2:12:32 PM CDT
Showing a picture of your ticket just goes to show...
by chuck_chuckwalla
... that you had to prove it to someone. Not us, but someone who probably demanded that you do it. Fox must have gotten to you in some way. Did they threaten you? Why else would you do a complete 180, Harry. if they did threaten you, I still have respect for you, because this movie isn't worth risking everything. But I'm beginning to wonder how deep this goes.
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... this idiot who recently started posting under the name DANNYGLOVERS__DICKBLOOD (with two underscores).
The original DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD (with single underscore) has been posting entertaining dementia at this site for a long time.
This interloper is co-opting the real DGDB's reputation, or schtick, or whatever you want to call it, in a cheap, misleading and deceptive way.
He's a boring troll, so there's no redeeming justification for letting this stupidity continue.
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1st film = ground breaking 1st entry...unknown stage actor cast as main charcter - surrounded by big name thesps...director wants realisum
2nd film = released 3 years later, action packed sequel with villian of equal powers...considered superior to 1st...same director
3rd film = released 3 years later, overblown letdown with inappropriate humour...comedien cast as in major role...new director
4th film = released 3 years later (9 years after the first one) attempts to return to the glory of the first two installments, main character goes up against 'brother' with equal powers but with deadly retracting finger nails.....leading man is involved behind the scenes, poor FX, another new director -
First we had the Final Fantasy version of Stewart and McKellan at the start of X3 (Stewart looked NOTHING like he did 20 years ago in Star Trek TNG) and now we have him looking EVEN MORE artificial and CG than in X3...id have thought theyd have perfected it in the 3 years
The funny thing is Stewart dosnt look THAT different to how he did years ago so really they could’ve got away without any CGI - just done it via lighting and make up like Hopkins in Red Dragon - the audience isn’t that bothered (after all Jackman has aged abit but they havent ‘smoothed’ him out trying to make him younger than X1)
In the leaked work print was it just Stewart as he is today - no CGI?
Was Pitt that artifical looking in Ben Button?
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Singer will return to this franchise and just as he did with Superman - he'll pretend anything after X2 doesn't exist and give us the story and closure we want to see. Only it'll be better than Superman Returns, mind you. This is my fantasy.
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You think to yourself, I've liked BBQ in the past so maybe this will be good.It looks like it might be tasty, it doesn't smell that great but it deoesn't smell bad exactly.While eating you think it isn't bad, but it isn't what you'd consider good, or at least that good.Halfway through you realize that you'd rather of had a real piece of grilled meat, but you are glad that you aren't starving.So, with the prospect of seeing a rom-com, a generic looking cartoon, another Fatal Attraction knock-off or some movie about a guy Fighting, you can get the McRib'ness that is Wolverine.
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my brother is a feminisms. my dad is a peach pit.
my horse is a carrot and my babbybbbybbybybbybybi s WFUCKING WOLVERINE AND it is consenual and I RULE AND I MAKE BAD ASS MOVIES WITH GUN ACTION AND HOT TITTY LOVE FUCKING! -
that the story from what i read in the reviews, sounds badass, im not talking about the plot, im talking about the cool idea of having Wolverine being part of some special black ops squad thing fighting around the world doing dirty work for the government and being lead by the same sadistic dude in X2, if that aint the coolest idea for a TV show i dont know what is...oh stargate, stargate is the coolest idea for a TV show. but damn and wolverine's relationship with sabertooth is as complicated as fuck, i would love to see that.
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judging by the hate the film is getting. this review does contain spoilers. The film opens in canada in 1849 where we meet James logan and his brother victor who will go on to become sabretooth. there is a violent altercation and the young james kills the man who turns out to be his dad. james and victor go on the run and during the opening creds, they are fighting through world war one and two. at a certain point we are introduced to ryan reynolds, will.i.am and dominic monaghan and kevin durand. and danny huston as general stryker this all takes place in africa where they have found a rock with adamantium in it. after nearly killing one of the african villagers. james logan decides he has had enough of blowing and killing people and turns his back on his old life. and becomes a lumber jack. settles down and marries Kaila who is a mutant herself. Victor likes to kill people and he turns on his gang members after going awol. this is the cinmatic equivalant of putting the cart before the horse. Weaved into the backstory of the first two xmen movies was that of wolverines. the most perplexing piece of casting was danny huston. a great actor utterly wasted in role alread already done by the great brian cox. Kevin durand doesnt have any screen and is left trussed up in a fat suit. dominic monaghan get killed off. ryan reynolds vanishes as quickly as he came. In fairnes he kept the first 40 mins ticking along. when I said that this was the cinematica equivalnt of putting the cart before the horse what i meant was why didnt they make this film first and then do the xmen films. doing it this way doesnt make any sense. There is not much of a story for a two and half hour film. I want to see a magneto film but that may not happen. xmen gets origins wolverine gets 2.5/5.
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Cause that aint what the film is. You get one scene of black ops and it's awful. And sabertooth's relationship with Wolverine couldnt be more two dimensional int he film
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C'mon, ppl can't think for themselves.
The fact people are complaining about the movie not explicitly detailing how he travels from Nigeria to the Rockies (over a 6-year time period) meaning people are looking for the lamest things to complain about.
You needed to see people getting hit by Liev's machine gun bullets to understand what was going on?
Think of this movie as a comic book (shit, it is... wierd) and its not that bad.
The movie's good but not great. It had some weak special effects and some ill-used characters.
Other than that, it did what it set out to do well. The funny bits were funny, most of the characters were good and they setup First Class nicely. The final fight was decent too.
I think 94% of the reviews out there come from the workprint and were formulated before this thing came out. The fact that this has a 30 something % on Rotten Tomatoes shows how blogs like this jump on the hate train or the love wagon too early and can't get off.
Bias all over my face, it is a said day.
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Suck on that you whiny, disconnected fanboy fucks!! 34 MILLION on friday alone! SNIKT!!
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Guessing just maybe some folks don't have as much pull as they thought.Still...this movie does suck...and as a non-retard I will not be paying to see it in a theater...the WP was bad enough.
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I'm sure you an your friends enjoyed Wolverine, I'm sure the brain freezes helped boost its appeal!
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Is it covered that Wolverine is Canadian or what?
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May 02, 2009 3:36:36 PM CDT
No more slo mo shots of characters stoically walking away from a
by redmond
Really. It's the biggest vanity shot in film history, tantamount to Gloria Swanson madly begging for her close up in "Sunset Blvd". Having this shot in a movie actually turns me off to seeing it. WOLVERINE looks enough like a vanity project by Jackman without it.
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to clarify my previous subject line
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There's nothing wrong with a 3 hour movie. There are loads of them I've loved. Watchmen was crap. Given the response to the movie you're in the minority, not me.
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from movies. Movies = entertainment. If you thought Wolverine was a waste then either you are a die hard comic geek who hardly ever is content with life or you are another person on the hater bandwagon still searching for your place in the world. I've loved X-Men since I started collecting comic cards and comics in the early 90s. There is NOTHING disappointing in this film. I do want to say thanks for all the bad pub because if I hadn't read it, I probably would have enjoyed it less. Wolverine definitely surpassed my expectations thanks to you guys.
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Look! Gavin Hood is a talkbacker.
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Everyone including you Harry says this movie isn't so good, so for the love of whatever God, Gods, or whatever you believe in, get rid of that ANNOYING add! that slices across the screen every time you visit any page on AICN!!!
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Get thee to NoScript. Google it
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i dont expect much, i just go to be entertained most of the time. honestly i dont know how one can see a great most anticipated movie in a theater nowadays with all the cellphones and talking and people laughing at whatever. i enjoy movies more at home where i have control over the enviroment and dont have to shhhh someone and dont have to dodge flying popcorn or listen to a baby crying or a group of preteen girls whining about the movie.
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Harry owned you.
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go check urself in a mental hospital u insano
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How am i insane? because i don't enjoy my senses being assaulted every time i do anything on this site?:P
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Rise of the fatass Slurpee drinkers!!!
Also, let's see what's the competition ... 17 Again, Obsessed, Ghosts of GFs Past, ... I'm sure Wolverine will dominate until Star Trek rips its asshole asunder.
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Fox better enjoy their success while they can. Come next week Origins will be long gone and forgotten. And the numbers will definitely illustrate that.
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I used to unfairly categorize people based on their reaction to Crash, but this might work even better.
Smart people who care about quality hate Wolverine.
People of varying intelligence who aren't discerning and are easily fooled say this movie was OK, or not bad.
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Let us hope your right sir. If not then that just proves the point i have been trying to make all my adult life, Mainstream society which is most of the world are brain dead morons with no taste in anything.
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Noscript, ok cool, got it thanks!:P
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...and I love X-Men.
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Sorry there was too much narration and not enough wirework and growling to keep you and your ADDled friends entertained.
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Wolverine's word-of-mouth will make it nothing but a bad memory by Sunday.
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Just 'cause he bought a ticket doesn't mean much. I still think he saw the workprint, knew it was garbage (but didn't 'review' it) and now he backpaddled from his "Not going to see it" stance.But, if you want the fifty-cents so bad I will mail you two quarters. Just give me your mailing address.
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He has fooled many a talkbacker by saying some bullcrap that danny would say anyway. That is saying something...
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they only do it when they are having a bad day like if they caught their wife with DGDB then they will probably ban him
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That's why X-2 wasn't as big as X-3. Brian Singer is an intimate filmmaker who focuses on his characters, and uses them and their relationships with one another to push his story along. He doesn't rely on heavy action either. He tends to only utilize action sequences to move along his story, and not for filler. That's why X-2 seems smaller in scale. Also, that's why Singer failed with Superman, you need a Michael Bay to Direct Superman, not the super serious Brian Singer.
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Harry your reviews are a joke. The people behind this movie didn't kiss your ass, and you're mad about it. That's it. Your opinions of movies are bought and paid for, it's that simple. You only support two things in this world; people that suck up to you for your fan base and cute chicks. Is there any more reason why Script Girl has a segment on your website? I mean she's hot, but I don't find anything she has to say engaging. Big deal, they sold a script. Woo. We all know it doesn't mean anything until the movie is actually being filmed. So the whole script report is bogus. I guarantee if it were my fat ass doing the weekly script report I wouldn't get a segment. You as a commentator have no integrity whatsoever because you don't speak on the films merit. This Wolverine movie is a fun ride, it's not perfect. But none of the X-Men films are. Singer made a good X-men film, but is it the definitive X-film? I bet someone could do better. The truth is you are going to hammer this movie for any flaw you can find because they didn't invite you to pre-screen it and you had to pay. Then your cronies all follow your lead so they can continue to have a job. It's sad. I'd love you to prove me wrong, but I don't believe you can. I know this post will never fall under your gaze, but I had to write it just in case it does. Because just maybe, one man's words might make someone re-think their position in life an turn them around. The site is called 'Ain't it Cool' not 'Ain't it Cool They Paid Me to Say It Was Cool'. You're not helping the film genre, you allowing big Hollywood to continue to make huge pieces of crap. You have the ability to turn it all around.
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STAR TREK
STAR TREK
STAR TREK
STAR TREK
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One should not take credit for another's bullcrap.
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And set it AFTER the events of X-3.
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Bale will rule the world. Amateurs beware.
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he called it a juggernaut of a movie. its on the poster for the movie. oh and by the way the best thing about Wolverine is the work of the dp Donald M Mcalpine which is stunning.
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May 02, 2009 4:36:39 PM CDT
ANCHORITE, ANIMAL BRANE AND MORBIDOBESITY WERE BANNED
by bringingsexyback
At last count.
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It's apparently technically and story-wise superior, but when good movies can also have the shit marketed out of them, well..that's just a win-win for the studio.
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Just needs ice and salt to make the perfect brain-freezer.
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i heard that there is an annual gathering for AICN members every May. is that true? and if there is one, can i come? i promise i wont take my stargate collection with me, wink wink ;)
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when the going gets good, u will need a slurpee for an extra round
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...hate to pour rain on the fire but isn't Wolvie Canadian? Why didn't they go with the whole Alpha Flight origin, was much more interesting...
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Fought in the Civil War, WWI, II and VietNam. It was a fascinating tale told in the opening credits ...
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was he forced into them? or is he patriotic
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Because only American's fought in those four wars, right? (and yes, men from what was then British North America fought in the civil war.)
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Spot on, man. This "review" by Harry makes me really sad. His reviews used to really mean something before his ego inflated to the size of his butt.
Harry, man, what did you expect??? A 3-hour "Once upon a time in Canada" Wolverine?? You've given top ratings to far, far worse shit than this film. I'm a big comic book fan, read Wolverine for 12 years straight, and I thought it really wasn't that bad. -
I could've sworn he had an American flag patch on his uniform. I'll check it again later.
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as long as he doesnt speak french then its okay.
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Their uniforms in all the wars were nation-ambiguous. No flags of any kind.
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That the "bonding isn't complete yet" (maybe extra powers would fade) combined with the possibilities of the healing factor (sew head back on, grow mouth back) can result in a Deadpool flick true to the character of an insane, mouthy assassin. If not they burned a character just for name recognition from fans for this film.
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as I'm sure they irk you.
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First and foremost, just like me:P but most likely he has dual citizenship maybe triple:P Canada, US and Japan, he has spent his life equally between those 3 countries and many more around the world.
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May 02, 2009 5:20:34 PM CDT
I KNEW HE WAS CANADIAN - I THOUGHT THE MOVIE RAPED THAT ORIGIN
by bringingsexyback
Would've been very cool to have the original Alpha Flight origin story made, preferably by Zack Snyder.
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Why do the bone claws urk you? thats how they are in the comics and it makes complete sense and is better than just some metal claws being implanted:P
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do u think wolverine uses those claws to please women? im sure many women would go for that, the thrill alone of being with a dangerous man who in an instant can mutilate her vagina with his claws, can all lead to multiple orgasmic experiences. adventurous women love that crap. strange dangerous men with claws, whats not to like.
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It makes sense that he would have natural claws.
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Time to get off my lazy ass and have a shower, and get ready for my friends coming over and hopefully the Canucks kickin Chicago's arse:P and then maybe play some Killzone 2, Street Fighter 4 or Marvel versus Capcom 2 woo!:P
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I recall them being an implanted mechanism when he became Weapon X.
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That's right. I'm gonna defend this movie. It does NOT suck. As with "X3", I was prepared for the worst, yet feel somewhat pleasantly surprised.
Some action scenes are very cool, while some computer effects are disappointing. But given everything that happens in this flick (including the heat that this picture is taking), I find it easier to forgive. I really dug Deadpool and Gambit, with how their powers were depicted. And Hugh Jackman was nothing less than solid.
For the climax, I would have preferred a more subtle approach. Yet, at the same time, I like the unpredictability of NO character being sacred (though I was never a huge X-men comic book fan).
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Over 10 years ago now i think, when Magneto ripped out his adimantium we found out he actually had claws of bone and that they just laced them as they did the rest of his bones.:)
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I stand corrected again.
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Not only non-existent, but non-sensical. Fucking amateur job.
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What can i say i am getting old, i am 30 now:P
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Is Deadpool, it just makes no sense, His smart mouth is what makes Deadpool so popular so why in the heck did the script writers think it would be better to take that away?:P makes you stop and think, Hey, if they can do it, maybe i can write movies scripts, i bet we all would have done a better job then they did.
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whats soooo great about a storyline that exists for over 30 years and has been done in tv shows and movies over and over again?
i mean even if star treck was done by malick what could he add new...its a feraking prequel. what comes after this movie is already history and done.
we saw kirk and spock and what they ve become and how they end up, whats so great seeing them in young?
i m a movie fan and i would pay money 2 see a new genere movie over a movie i ve seen 3 times before. harry ur a joke for pimping star trekk and if this movie was done by fox what then?
wouldnt u pay 2 see it?
ur review is a no review it is lame and i should make a nap after reading this no review!
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Wolverine never had bone claws. Until they tacked it on as an easy out to that Magneto story, which was waaay late in Wolverine's history. I guess that's one step better than black Nick Fury, who was made to look like Sam Jackson in The Ultimates specifically so fans couldn't bitch at that casting in the movie, but still, bone claws were a very late, and rarely referenced addition to Wolvie's lore.
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...even though I'm not going to see it, it's a good sign for the industry that a shitty movie that gets critically panned can still bring in 35 mil in one day.
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Is it true that the 2nd stinger ending tells us that Deadpool wasn't actually weapon XI? I'm not sure if that's better or worse than the travesty which was in the actual movie. "Just kidding! The character we just showed you in the climax of this movie wasn't who we led you to believe it is! We swear this has nothing to do with fans bitching about what we did to him, so we changed it to not be him with this tacked on scene!"
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I haven't been able to verify this supposed 3rd alternate ending. I think it's a fan's day/wet dream. There's two AFAIK (not including the phantom "Who is this?"
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Late addition or not, it made Wolverine better in my opinion, and makes perfect sense.
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Not trying to start a fight, but why would it be natural for him to have bone claws if his name is Wolverine? Batman is called Batman but he doesn't have wings and sonor. Iron Man isn't naturally made of Iron. And Wolverine wasn't called Wolverine when he was born - it was a code name he got later.
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Considering he is a Mutant i just think it is better that he was born with natural claws rather than them just being implanted, i just think it makes Wolverine all that cooler.
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They didn't really bother me, I was just responding to the dialog re: how bone claws were part of the Wolverine canon. I'm guessing there's a pretty even split between older fans who think they're an unnecessary addition, and younger fans who are attached to them. My previous post sounded prett anti-bone claws, but that's just because I pretty much stopped reading comics in the early 90's after the Claremont run. I won't really complain about any decision comics writers make. They're fucking comic books after all. No matter what heights the medium has reached, the vast majority of comics are silly kids books.
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...from a bunch of slapdicks. If you can't find a better use for your computer, donate it to your local school. I don't know who's more pathetic- the weenies trying to sound like the jock douchebags that torment them, or the pseudo intellectuals bawling, "Entertaining is not good enough!!" I'm sorry, but the people who are just giving their honest opinions here are coming off as far more appealing individuals than you miserable losers.
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Batman is called Batman because he looks like a Bat(kinda):P Iron man is called Iron man because well, he looks like an Iron man:P and Wolverine is called wolverine because of his claws and ferociousness and heightened senses ala a Wolverine:P Even though now it seems he is human evolved from a wolf or something instead of an ape according to the comics:P
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I am an Older fan i am 30:P and he has been one of my favorite characters since i was about 6:P
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...to disagree. I always loved the thought of the claws being something added to him later, something he saw as alien and hated for making him even more animal-like.
I guess it just fits with how i grew up with the character. I remember the Alpha Flight story where Heather Hudson sees Wolverine un-sheath his claws for the first time and he reacts in horror as well, and i remember the art in Days of Future Past where they specifically show a sheath-unit to hold his claws after his skin is blasted off. -
I'm with you. I remember the exact panel you're talking about in Days, I can picture it perfectly in my mind because of my response of "Oh fuck! So THAT'S how they work in there!"
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Wolverine has his namesake animal's ferocity and feral animal nature. Like them he's also a diminutive dynamo. That's enough corresponding features for me. He doesn't need to have a tail to really be a wolverine, just like Sabretooth doesn't need to actually have sabres in his mouth :P
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Man, comic book characters make no sense if you think about it.
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I was really excited to see this and then wow, nothing. It had a silly plot awful script but quailty CGI. Not worth the price, next up Bale atleast he can act.
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Now they really told Wolverine's origin in the Bronze Age, but you could piece it together by looking at all of his appearances in X-Men, Alpha Flight, and his mini-series by Byrne, Claremont and even Miller:
Wolverine was a mutant that had the power to heal fast and had heightened senses. No one knows what he did before he lost his memory (he may have fought in WWII), but he definitely wasn't intended to have been over 150 years old.
Because of his mutant powers, he was abducted by unknown people and used a process to graft adamantium on his bones and give him claws. The process was so painful that he lost his memory.
Wolverine escaped and lived in the Northern Woods as a feral man until found by Heather ad Mac Hudson who brought him back to civilization.
Wolverine was trained by the Canadian Government to be an agent and a spy, and as part of his training to get his animal nature under control they sent him to Japan to learn bushido and self-discipline.
Because of his short size, ferocious nature and his claws, Department H gives him the code name Wolverine. He is also called Weapon X.
Wolverine left Department H and joined the X-Men.
That pretty much was what they hinted his origin was going to be up until the 90s, I believe.
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They are worse he has been made recently to be evolved from a wolf:P along with Sabretooth and all the other Feral Marvel characters:P
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Quality CGI? the CGI was horrible, especially the Claws and of course De aged Patric Stuart.
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He's just not "our" Wolverine anymore, is he? Op, thanks for reminding us how beatifully simple Logan's origin used to be.
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...is that they kinda had non-origins, didn't they? "Uh, I went through puberty and got these powers...?"
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http://tinyurl.com/d289pu
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AND $6??? Cheap ass!
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":P" is not nearly inspired enough to use as much as you are. Just one man's opinion. One 31 year-old man's opinion.
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...Stargate-erine! It's basically a guy who has an asshole with healing powers and a cock made from an indestructible metal. His ass can take a pounding by a cock of any size or strength and he with his own adamantium dick he can give as good as he gets. My type of superhero. What do you guys think?
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should be banned for astounding inanity.
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the Ledger-Penis fellow, too. We have entered an age of subtlety- trolls are hereby on notice.
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...I can quote every line of dialogue from every episode of Stargate ever written, ever! My power has got me out of a few scrapes, I can tell you...
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Its a bad habit i picked up when first i started chattin on the net when i was 19, i just cant seem to shake it!
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It's your site.
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that's a hell of a habit! Have you tried the patch? Whatever, I was being kind of a dick. Do what you must do.
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*sigh*
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but "Legends Of The Fall" is the perfect Wolverine Movie and I owe that person a virtual beer because there right.
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Loved Dark Knight. Have affection for Iron Man. Would have a quickie with the Incredible Hulk but wouldnt let my 92 year old grandpa have sex with Wolverine
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Remote controlled more or less and no mouth and making him Mutant X more or less. you stupid writers do you check source material.
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'nuff said.
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When powerful aliens come through Earth's Stargate, Colonel Jack O'Neill returns to Abydos to retrieve Daniel Jackson, who has discovered that the alien transit system includes much more than the two planets.
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Major Kawalsky is possessed by a Goa'uld, and the SGC must find a way to remove it without killing him.
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An alien civilization is forced to reconsider their views on women when Carter rebels against their social customs.
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I don't think you can fairly judge Hood by Wolverine. Fox clearly interfered in the making of this movie more than most directors have to deal with over their whole careers.
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Members of SG-1 become infected with an alien virus that turns them into primative beings. Dr. Fraiser must find a cure to save the team and the alien population from whom it was contracted.
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Actress Megan Fox has laughed off rumours she is to portray comic book heroine Wonder Woman in a movie - vowing never to play such a "lame" character.
Director Joss Whedon is rumoured to be putting together a cast for an upcoming big screen outing for the superhero siren, originally played by Lynda Carter in the 1970s TV show.
Fox is reportedly in the running to play the lead role, but the Transformer star is adamant she will not get involved with the comic book adaptation.
She tells British magazine FHM, "She's lame. She flies around in an invisible jet, but she's not invisible. I don't get it." -
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SG-1 must stop a renegade Stargate commander, who has gone mad and set himself up as a god on an alien planet.
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Anyone who signed on for a sequel after the debacle that was Transformers can't criticize the lameness of any IP.
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The team discovers a crystaline alien species with the capability of assuming human form. O'Neill comes to terms with the death of his son.
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Pressed by the government to acquire new technologies, SG-1 is led to a world inhabited by a seemingly primative race. When Apophis arrives, SG-1 ambush him with disasterous consequences.
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SG-1 discovers a race of attractive people who age extremely rapidly. The situation becomes personal when O'Neill begins to suffer from the same accelerated aging, and must live out the rest of his life on the planet.
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Teal'c and O'Neill are transported to an underground cage designed by the Asgard to protect an alien world from the Goa'uld. Teal'c cannot escape the labyrinth while his larval Goa'uld lives.
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SG-1 tracks down Catherine Langford's fiance, who took the first Stargate trip in 1945, and discovers an ancient meeting hall that may hold the secrets of the universe itself.
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May 02, 2009 8:05:07 PM CDT
gee dioxtrollster, tell us what happens season 2!!
by joker gordon levitt
please?!?!?!
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What the?? I thought you weren't going to see this. I sometimes really wonder about the truth of your statements and objectivity, Harry. I wonder if you would have been less amenable about Fox if they did not produce some of the Marvel movies....
Aside from that, why does Marvel still allow Lauren Shuler Donner to persist in wrecking their franchise with what is really very ... how do I put it nicely... shitty moves??
The folks at Marvel are equally to blame for permitting this to happen. Marvel, these are your characters, your stories and your fans. The disrespact accorded to your fanbase is despicable. I am glad I managed to stopped your comics years ago. Don't get me wrong - could easily get hooked again but given Marvel and Fox's continued treatment of characters that I have come to love, they do not deserve my loyalty as a fan of their products.
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All good things come to those who wait. As I was explaining to the good folks in the Capone Wolverine review talkback, over the next year or so here on AICN I'll be posting my episode summaries for every episode of every season of every series of Stargate ever made. I've also written quite a few essays on various topics about both the TV shows and the movie which I'll be publishing, as well as links to photos on flickr of all my MIB (mint in box) action figures. I'll be posting this stuff mostly in LOST talkbacks where I frequently troll the boards reminding everyone how crap that show is and how awesome Stargate is. Just ask any of the guys over in the Lost talkback about Dioxholster, they all know me.
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X3 was a good movie. just accept it the opening scene with the younger magneto and prof x... THAT was a great scene. that cry baby cyclops getting killed. THAT was fucking genius the action was top form. and executed in such a way that so much ground was covered - it was akin to the last Harry Potter film, or even the new director they brought on to star wars, back in the day everything about X3 was handled expertly and for the love of God just accept that X2 was a very lame film and Bryan Singer proved beyond a shadow of a doubt with superman returns that he jsut can't make a good decent kick arse film. tho X1 and Usual suspects are very good. but his style lended themselves to those 'stand alone' films (not sequels or remakes)
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... and again, I just don't understand why you'd piss all over this film. Maybe I had the misfortune of seeing SUPERMAN RETURNS first, maybe my standards are too low, but there was nothing wrong with X3 that wasn't also wrong with the first two. In fact, the first X-MEN jiggers the characters about as badly as it sounds WOLVERINE did. Rogue ran away from home and met Wolverine in Canada, then promptly joins the X-Men? She wasn't a villain first, like in the comics? Storm isn't African, no trace of an accent? Pre-Beast Hank McCoy wasn't part of the original team, along with Angel? Once again, I fucking hate Ratner's work, and walked into X3 with a lot of bad reviews already read, so I was expecting something along the lines of Corman's FANTASTIC FOUR or that Nicolas Hammond "Spider-Man" TV series. The truth is, whether you want to admit it or not, it fits in fairly well with the other two movies and it wraps things up probably about as well as Singer would have, and after SUPERMAN RETURNS, I'd almost say BETTER than Singer could have. Plenty of action, the effects were decent, they threw in all the remaining characters they could with the mindset that it was probably gonna be their last chance to do so, and the ending is suitably epic. Most of the people spewing bile at X3 come off sounding like they're doing it because they think they're supposed to, and without laying out any viable reason for hating it beyond "Singer didn't do it" or "Dark Phoenix didn't blow up a planet" or whatever.
What Ratner did with X3 was make a decent, if ultimately unremarkable, third part of a trilogy, kind of along the lines of RETURN OF THE JEDI, minus the Ewoks, Boba Fett being killed off in fifteen seconds and "Jub-Jub!" If you wanna hate on somebody, hate on Singer for a) not making what, according to some of you, would have been the greatest comic book movie of all time with HIS X3 and b) not doing so in favor of making SUPERMAN RETURNS, which, in my humble opinion, did a hell of a lot more damage to the Superman franchise than Ratner's X3 could have ever dreamt of doing to the X-Men. Here's a second clue: they just made another X-MEN flick, they STILL haven't made another SUPERMAN flick. Hell, they'll probably have to wait for ten more years for everybody to forget about the bastard Superkid, pre-teen Lois Lane or Superman getting prison-shanked by Lex Luthor. -
They're both heavily flawed, but don't deserve the vitriolic criticism. X-3 is more enjoyable, because it doesn't suffer from the horrendous lulls in action which should never be in a Superman film, but I think SR is actually the better movie. The problem is that most people don't want what Superman gave us, just like And Lee's Hulk. Putting a character best suited for action in a plodding, introspective (or at least attempting to be introspective) film is going to elicit negative reactions. Both movies, and Hulk for that matter, are good if you can watch them without making comparisons to the comics. Any of those 3 films is brilliantly executed compared to Wolverine, though.
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Hahaha
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Sorry, but X3 was way better than Spidey 3. I do think X3 could've been helped by an extended cut- it was a good movie, just too compressed.
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The main problem I have with SUPERMAN RETURNS, aside from the fact that it's much ado about nothing, is that we've already seen this movie before. It was called "SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE". Every beat in SR is a direct copy of something that happened the first time around, except Singer tries to mask it by making it "bigger". In the first film, Superman makes his debut by saving Lois Lane, who's trapped in a falling helicopter, while a crowd of people watch on the street below. In SR, he establishes that he's back by saving Lois Lane, who's trapped in a falling airplane that was inadvertently shot into space, while a stadium full of people watches. In SUPERMAN, Lex Luthor uses nuclear technology to attempt to wipe out the West Coast for a real estate swindle. In SR, Lex Luthor uses Kryptonian technology to attempt to wipe out the East Coast for a real estate swindle. If you saw SUPERMAN, you pretty much saw SUPERMAN RETURNS, minus the bonus sub-plot of Superman having a kid and inexplicably being able to throw an island made entirely out of Kryptonite into space. It begs the question of why they didn't just remake SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE outright and start it over from the ground up?
Also, I've always wondered why the hell they didn't do the obvious thing and cast Parker Posey, who actually somewhat resembled, was the same age as and could reasonably pull off a facsimile of SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE-era Margot Kidder as Lois Lane? If you're trying to emulate the first film, at least do it intelligently. -
...who love Jackman.IMHO a large portion of the female audience who are Jackman fans -- ladies from teens and up -- are going to see this.Here's how it seems to be playing out: young ladies/young women are going with groups of friends while the moms are doing "girls night out" or they are taking their kids as an excuse.PREDICTION: WOLVERINE will be a surprise hit.
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In Superman Returns, Kumar got squashed by a Kryptonian.....idk pillar or wtf that was. What's the Superman the movie equivalent of that? Seriously though, I like your comparisons.
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...raving about how Wolverine and X3 "aren't that bad". Anyone over 12 y/o with a brain knows they aren't good, so why can't you leave it at that. Saying "at least Wolverine was not as bad as Elektra" just makes you sound like a retard.
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He also got to bitch-kick Superman in the ribs (as for the comparison, all I can think of is "a mute Otis who dies"). That was the worst addition to SUPERMAN: instead of saving the day, he gets stabbed by Lex Luthor, gets his ribs stoved in by Kumar and winds up being saved from drowning by Lois Lane and Some Normal Guy In A Plane (yes, I know who he's supposed to be, but all he contributes to the plot is some dude Superman can be pissed over and the fact that he can fly a plane). No turning back time or posing in front of the American flag after dropping off the bad guys this time around, he gets to recuperate in a goddamn hospital bed. Maybe they should have called the film "SUPERMAN RETURNS AND GETS HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM".
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I certainly wasn't "apologizing" for X3, it's a decent film. No apologizing necessary. I've already stated my reasons why I felt it was decent, and so far, all you've given in return is "anyone over 12 with a brain shouldn't like it" and "if you like it, you're a retard". I realize this isn't the goddamn debate team, but you could at least shore up your opinion with something else beyond calling people "retarded" for not sharing what I'm sure are your Rhodes scholar-caliber views.
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no reason to itemize all the failings it has.
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Can see that catwoman was better than spiderman 3... and slightly on-par with spiderman 1.... it was just a trashy concept of a film is all. and the problem there is it really brings down the foundation of spiderman with it. personally, im surprised Raimi is truely coming back for spiderman 4. This is one series which truely needs a dark knight style re-boot. fuck it should have been dark knight style from the begining! I've always maintained that - even before dark knight existed! Fuck you James Cameron you cock teasing bitch. Wolverine is shit. don't ever say it's better than X3 or even on par with X1. buuuut, i guess some guys just like looking at naked hugh jackman. there certainly wasn't enough of that in X3... hey boys :)
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So ... in other words, you have no idea, you're just content to say it sucks, allude to some "failings" and to call anyone who doesn't fall in line with that thinking a "retard"?
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Apologists be damned, both films fucking suck. Singer took something that should have been Fantastic 4 levels of poop and made it brilliant. Fox should burn for this, and yes I watched the workprint, and unlike Harry, can admit it.
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May 02, 2009 10:12:28 PM CDT
Question: Did anyone get the alternate Deadpool ending?
by my_blue_penis
The one where the severed head goes "Shhh..." is up on YouTube, but I guess there's another one where Wade comes in and picks up the head, asking "Who the hell are you supposed to be?" Is this just a rumor?
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Just like FF...hating on them too much is like hating on Sesame Street because you don't care for it. And if you want details on X3 failings, poor script, poor casting, and poor acting is a start. X3 made about a billion bucks internationally...so did Harry Potter and other films made for kids and simple mind adults.
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Just like FF...hating on them too much is like hating on Sesame Street because you don't care for it. And if you want details on X3 failings, poor script, poor casting, and poor acting is a start. X3 made about a billion bucks internationally...so did Harry Potter and other films made for kids and simple mind adults.
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...you're a fat fuck, and there's no wonder I'm ploughing your woman's cooch every night. I mean, come on, there's no such word as squenching, you fucking illiterate gimp!
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Forget Wolverine or anything having to do with the movie and just accept that you're over and done with. Harry when you started this site you gave all of this shit about how you were an outsider and the site was set up to be an honest blah blah blah. You sold out almost immediately. Starting with your blowjob review of Armageddon and through every bit of crap since. You LOVE EVERYTHING, everything makes you giggle like a geek schoolgirl or takes you back to when you were the first to do EVERYTHING. Now all your blogs start with "I'm a good friend of" or "Having known so and so" all you do is rattle off how many people you know and as long as studios do for you, you service them like any other whore. Fox told you to go fuck yourself so you threw a tantrum and now you're trying to make up for it. You are a sad pathetic little man, and you have my pity
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or maybe those highfallutin critics don't know shit and Joe Sixpack is the best judge of artistic quality these days.
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...can you thick fucks get it through your adamantium craniums that a WOLVERINE is not, I repeat NOT, relatyed to a wolf. In any fucking way. So that kinda knackers the adamantium/silver bullet reference, no? Sheesh!
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much much more hatred towards project
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I thought SPIDER-MAN 1 was a decent-enough flick, it got the job done, it stuck probably closer to the comic book origins than many other comic book flick I've seen. Toby Maguire was a great Peter Parker and a lousy Spider-Man. The whole Green Goblin thing was sort of mishandled, but speaking as someone who grew up with that Nicolas Hammond "Spider-Man" series and had to settle for watching him battle Bob the Generic Thug, climbing up walls where they shot him from far enough away that you couldn't see the stunt harness dragging him up and shooting what appeared to be white hemp rope from his fancy arm bracelets, it was better than it had a right to be. SPIDER-MAN 2 was a great flick, though I agree with everyone who says that the Spider-Man movie villains should be actual VILLAINS, and not some misunderstood dude with super-powers who winds up crying at the end.
SPIDER-MAN 3, however, is pretty much the movie most of the guys on this board are claiming X3 is: a cinematic abortion. Probably the worst part about it is the fact that it proved Topher Grace would have made a much better Peter Parker/Spider-Man than Maguire, but where to start? Venom being entirely unnecessary, three movies worth of exposition crammed into one, the cop-out "black Spider-Man suit", the Sandman being Uncle Ben's murderer (which, in turn, makes Spider-Man a murderer, since he greased the now-innocent guy he thought killed his uncle in the first one), James Franco as "the extreme snowboarder who makes us appreciate the faithful rendition of Green Goblin in the first movie" ... the list goes on. Instead of making SPIDER-MAN 4, Raimi should use the budget to buy back all existing copies of SPIDER-MAN 3, burn them, destroy the negatives and pretend it ended with 2. -
Wolverine is doing great at the box office. Fast and Furious did great at the box office. That means that nerdy fare like Star Trek will not do great at the box office. No matter how much J J claims on late night that it's not a nerd movie. I personally can't wait to see it. I'm sure it will be much better than Wolverine. But it's not going to open as big. That's my prediction. I hope by all that is smart that I'm off.
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I pay as much attention to Rotten Tomatoes as I pay attention to an EW review. IN MY OPINION, X3 is a decent film, and the case I made for it and the questions I asked about it being as hated as it was were formed from that. You don't share that opinion, which is perfectly fine, that's what makes the world go round. However, all suggesting that people who like different things than you do are either childish or retarded or that "Joe Sixpack is a fucking moron compared to a bunch of poster-quote-hungry critics" is doing is making YOU look childish and retarded. I was genuinely interested in your viewpoint, and "poor script", "poor acting" and "poor casting" are both blanket statements and statements you could level at the other two X-flicks (being as they all share essentially the same main cast and the script for the third one is basically tying up the plot elements set in motion in the first two). Double goes for it being "childish" -- exactly who were the other two movies for? People who couldn't get into a viewing of TRAFFIC or GANGS OF NEW YORK? Fans of Hugh Jackman's Broadway work?
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I've yet to meet a person who isn't stoked to see the flick, and their all Non-Trekkers. They're college students like myself. Everyone is looking forward to seeing it after finals are over, marking summer break beginning. I think it'll do pretty well. If anything I'm really intrigued by how actual Trekkies will like it. I honestly this this is going to be a really strong summer financially, just as it's been a record year so far. Which is good, lord knows our economy needs something....
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So anybody that has played the game, finish it? Is it good? Oh and whats the deal with him having his adamantium skeleton in Africa? You can't tell me different cuz one of his "flashy" moves is to watch the shine on his claws and at the right time press a button to berserk out on poor fools. Now can someone spoil the deadpool coda for me? I refuse to see this movie after viewing the workprint (see Harry the truth DOES set you free!). Ummm OH and fuck Harryasshole and Co. Down with AintItCorporateNews!
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They knew that going into this project, and that's why so many people get rage boners for Fox and Rothman. I can't recall the actual quote, but Rothman said something along the lines of: "We already know the fans of the comics and first movies will pay to see Wolverine, so it doesn't matter if we please them because they'll be there anyway." He basically came out saying they were appealing to the lowest common denominator (people who will shell out for any movie just because it's a "blockbuster) because they could, fans be damned.
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Repeat after me: "There is NO such thing as a comic book movie that is TOO faithful to the source material."
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Amen!
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Wolverine = Shit on bottom of cinematic shoe
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all i got was that crap with Stryker being found by the military. So LAME I wanted to throw my shoes at Gavin Hood.
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Wasn't that part in all the copies? I thought the alternate endings were the stingers, where I got the Wolvie in Japan one.
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You have a fucking mutant with a healing factor, berzerker rage, claws that extend from his forearm and an adamantium skeleton that is unbreakable- how do you fuck that up??? I am glad critics have panned this. Seriously- look at The Dark Knight- the movie took itself seriously. It was a badass movie witha well written story that respected its characters mythos. You getting the message Fox? You keep fucking with what people hold sacred as the origins and plots behind these characters- you keep going cheap on direction / plot and story, and you will keep getting fucked in your bank account. I saw it in a theater, it was lame. Even after the work print...
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Trek is an Event Movie and has a great deal of anticipation. It has excellent reviews so far and many of them are from people who are certainly not Treckies or SF geeks.
Wolverine has been hammered in the reviews and almost all say it is average to very poor. Wolverine will also soon run out of the gullible who haven't yet heard the word of mouth and just wanted to see the Newest Movie at the weekend.
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Remember back when video games based on movies was utter shit, even games based on comics sucked.Now, we get a PG-13 movie about a guy with (essentially) knives for hands, and we also get a video game based on said film that is rated M (for mature) and it is seemingly more entertaining than the movie.I dunno, maybe having a Wii makes it more fun.
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I was entertained. Liked the first half MUCH more than the second half. There are plenty of terrible things in it (continuity errors, dialogue, effects, etc), but I enjoyed myself, through the good times and the bad. Definitely NOT as bad as "Batman and Robin" or "Elektra". I'd say its better than the Fantastic Four flicks. But I might need to see how much I can sit through on a second-go-round before committing to that.
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this fat retard can't write a concise paragraph to save his life. who cares if his opinion's bought? everyone knows it going in. you'd think after years of writing he would learn a thing or two about grammar, prose, etc.
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with a full house in Norcal. They all liked it. Honestly, clapping and laughing. Good action, lots of cool mutants that weren't in the first 3 films. It's pretty good, but not great. B+ I'd say. Better than X3, and about even with X1 for quality. Not as good as X2, and had some stupid VFX shots, but it's a good comic book movie. Not sure what people are so mad about....But hey, what do I know?
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Not much is worse than Alba in FF. Yet the bridge scene was stangely compelling.
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Is the very brief shot of Alba in her underwear. That's about it.
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saw the movie, g.f. and i both enjoyed it. it was all good, fun. as it should be. a fun action flick. i have every x-men related comic since #94, no problems . it's just a movie!loved it! rothman 1 , aic geeks 0.
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they just should have adapted that comic specifically, instead of just taking bits and pieces from it.
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May 03, 2009 2:00:53 AM CDT
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9717/wolvietickets.jpg
by returnofthecreepythinman
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Someone needs to photoshop him onto this Eli Manning ads.
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Those two words were the most important bit of the article.
From palimpsest's, link, it seems like it's filmed, completed, and has no US distributor yet. Sounds like it'll be lucky to get any sort of wide distribution. Sad. -
By making Superman Returns bigger and better, I guess singer or whatever hollywood mensa members also thought they should drop the "American way" part of Superman's tagline, i.e. "Truth, justice....all that stuff!" I heard they were trying to attract a more international audience by saying that. I'm surprised they didn't have a scene where he told his kid, "I see you've got long hair. If you've got a broken wrist and like to leap tall buildings in a single bound because of their long, hard exterior, it's ok by me!" thus tapping into that lucrative gay market.
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May 03, 2009 4:07:23 AM CDT
Box office mojo predicts $80 million weekend
by patrick_bateman_trashed_my_401k
If true, that's pretty amazing considering the leak debacle.
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May 03, 2009 4:15:15 AM CDT
Who cares when BARCELONA THRASHED MADRID 6-2!!!!
by most excellent ninja
myself, eto'o and Henry have scored more goals than any squad in italy, germany, england and spain. FUCK!!! 6-2 at the Bernabeu!!!
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you're effin nUTS
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u wont get a lot new folks for this reboot.
no girl on this planet if she not a trekkie, or a sci-fi freak will see it, because this damn storyline exists for now over 30 years and a lot of people are fed up with spock and trekkie stuff!
anyway whats so great about it, we do know what kirk and spock become, we know how they end so WOW its the beginning, i thought the series was the beginning when shatner had hair?!;)
i really hope treck will bomb i`m fed up with reboots, remakes etc and everyone who loves movies should not see movie/series that already exists! -
so if he gets paid free rides & tickets the reviews a great, if he doesnt the movies suck ass or are lame etc
yeah well even if wolverine aint that good, its better we support new comic movies instead of already seen a thousand times stuff like star trek or a pussy cast like tarantinos pussy tarts!
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How could this film have been worse? I really want to know. And don't say the action, because the action was pathetically directed.
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the none corrupt people!
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May 03, 2009 5:11:07 AM CDT
We should be careful about saying things we might regret.
by knuckleduster
NOTHING is worse than X3. Okay, maybe Ghost Rider.
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Yes I have seen Wolverine. No I am not proud to admit it. And I'm am not going to hide behind the bullshit excuse that my girlfriend is a fan of Hugh Jackman. That shit is for amateurs. I just think that while everyone is entitled to an opinion, to have an informed opinion you need to either a) experience the subject being discussed or b) go make your own damm movie and see how hard it is In short, it was not the total shitefest I had been led to believe. But there were problems!The opening credits were brilliant. Mssrs Jackman and Schrieber certainly put there hearts and talent into it and the plot/concept was sound. Even Will.I.Am done good - though I did laugh when he vowed to kill Sabretooth (yeah right - and how exactly?)ITV showed X2 last night and after catching a bit of it when I got in last night it was obvious to me that Wolverine fell well short in the comparison.Firstly, since when has EVERY mutant also got the ability to bounce off walls and leap off buildings? That shit crept in to X3 in the final attack and definitely wasn't in Singer's films (except Toad - whose mutant ability was to, er, bounce off walls etc.) That shit looked terrible and also took me out of the film. You could say it was fuckin' distracting.Also, X2's flashbacks of Wolvie fleeing Alkali Lake looked convincing. He seemed confused, bloodsoaked and in possession of actual metal claws (very important that last one!)If you are going to fuck with existing continuity fine - but make sure you do a better job if you hope to sell it to the audience.Finally, the hard work done by Singer in creating whole charecters and using drama WITH exposition to move the film along has been completely undone by Benioff, Woods and Hood. Instead we now have cardboard cutouts that speak in cliches. Trying to sell this fantastic universe with these was never going to work. Why? Because it looks and sounds like that are simply pulling shit out of their arses. I mean come on!"Wipe his memory""Uh, Sir - we were asked to create a machine that grafts Adamantium on to bones. I didn't see that in the brief. This isn't The Jetsons Sir, this is the 1970's. Sir-forfuckssake-sir"And that line from Striker was REALLY fucking important! It revealed his betrayel of Logan and sets up his renegade escape ("I think he heard you")Poor old Danny Huston got a lot of rubbish unfortunately. It was a shame as he seemed to spend most of the time doing a reasonably good job trying to sound like Brian Cox. It is a pity he didn't actually WATCH X2 otherwise he would have known that Brian Cox spent most of THAT film trying to sound like Slim Pickens!
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One person said he REALLY liked it! One person said he liked it even better than (all 3 of) the previous X-men movies! One person said he enjoyed it. Count me as pleasantly surprised, after all the negativity (though I admit it had room to be much better), and you have 4 positive reviews. Go and have 2 hours to escape reality. Grab some popcorn and a soda, while you're at it.
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Every time one of these ungodly shitstorm bad movies comes out you always have clowns who actually enjoy things like memory erasing bullets because they are literally incapable of being disappointed by anything. Then 6 months later its just common knowledge that it was crap, always has been crap, always will be crap. Just like the Star Wars Prequels, Indiana Jones 4, Transformers, etc. I guess we'll just have to wait until then. Unfortunately the dmage done by the unthinking unfeeling autmatons known as the "mainstream" will already have been wrough.
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..Adamantium bullets! Once they fucked with the continuity and established it wasn't the procedure that wiped his memory how else were they going to do it?Oh wait - they could have used Deadpool's swords - or a Lady Deathstrike fingernail through the ear. It is a bit silly the more I think about it - I'll shut up about it now.The trailer for Public Enemies attached was great though - LOTS of professionalism in that film by the looks of it.
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I'd have to re-watch the original "X-MEN" to compare it to WOLVERINE. It's been a long time since I've seen it. But right now, I'm not sure which one I like more.
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I love Hugh Jackman and really want him to succeed, so it's disappointing to see him fail, but the movie was not very good. Too many cameos, not enough "connections". They never gave us any reason to care about any of the characters.
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He should have written and directed this movie.
Oh and what’s all this shit about everyone wanting movies like this to be "bad ass". Who gives a fuck about "bad ass" I just want a movie like this to be entertaining and uncomplicated with an interesting story e.g. X2. Is that too much to ask Fox???? -
just want comic book movies to be more darker and violent and more profane. personally I didnt like sin city.
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sad sad isnt it, that the film does well at the box office even u tried everything in ur powers to make an anti campaign againgst wolvi!:)
for month you told the people not 2 see it and even at its starting weekend u said ur not gonna see it and in the end u saw it urself and still u write a no review about the movie ur a sad man and not commited to ur job, writing reviews about movies!
u try to pimp ur treck shit with a storyline we have seen for over 20 years now on shows and movies and say how bad wolvi is. u know what i still pay my money on a comic movie that aint that great as tdk, but truly how many comic movies can even be in the same league, over a shity sci-fi franchise whos more dead than star wars.
if a true comic fan wont see wolvi because of u and the studio realize comic movies are done because of u, what would we have then, no comic movies anymore.
so i think it wont be as good as x2 but it cant be as bad as x3 and many real people and fans already written its better than x3 because they dont get to get free tickets like u, they just enjoyed the freaking movie!
the real comic fans see it, the real fans know if we start to give up on high budget movies as wolvi studio bosses would stop making high bidegt comic movies someday.
ur watchmen shit already bombed and if wolvi would bomb we would get one comic book movie in a year because of stupid farts like you!
dont piss in the corner ur eating man the world didnt always got free tickets for everyone, so dont be such a bitch.
u know u already wrote the best reviews over a movie that doesnt exist like this SHIT FEST of TARANTINO called PUSSY TARTS cus he gave u a free ride to berlin.
if ur so true about the original stories like u were with wolvi.
basterds should be a badass movie once with a badass cast like willis, sly, arnold etc and what is it now?
yeah right a pussy cast with pitt and none actors like til schweiger, eli roth, m.myers and daniel brühl and this shit should be cool? u gotta be freaking kiddin me!!!!
time that u be the guy u once were, uncorrupt, loving movies and dont tell us how great TWILIGHT was and then tell us how bad and lame wolvi is.
u know i`ll pay twice 2 see a lame wolvie over a chick flick like twilight, only really gay guys and women dig edward the vampire shit.
dont say INDY 4 is great and tell us wolvie is shit, stop loving every movie outthere, be critic in teh right way.
u cant say how uncool a comic movie is with a great lead as hugh jackman is and say how great twilight is with a pussy cast, u really cant be serious about that man?!
if a studio give u a free ride next time soon, stay with the truth to any coast, if the movie sucks then write its sucks, but dont tell as twilight is a great movie and wolvi aint, that can not be true if u are really a comic fan boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its time u`ll go back 2 ur roots man, be a fan, be a geek, be critic and stay to the truth without being corrupt, untouchable, be a hero again not someone a studio or moviemaker can buy!
i`m really glad ur power in the industry is over and people make there own opinions about a movie and i already read al lot of good reviwes about wolvi or at least half of them say it is better than x3 and thats enough for me!
i`m pretty curious how ur reviews about avatar or spidey 4 will be since we`re still talking about fox?!;)
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...and a star & sexiest man alive damn it and always in the worsed movies still the best thing like in australia, all that what was wrong with australia was nicole kidman!
same with van helsing all that was wrong with that movie was the director or that damn guy who played dracula, hugh was great in it!
hugh was great in the fountain or the prestidge of course no one can outshine THE BALE but who can?!
he would have in anyway became a star even without x-men!
dougary scott should have played wolvi but played instead in m.i.2 and where is that prick right now, making tv shows already?!
i really would have loved mel gibson in it and shortly it was rumored russell crowe and gary senise both were interessting of course and i guess mel gibson would have nailed wolvi the most of all casting rumors.
but he was 2 old then and is of course now.
yeah hugh is huge anyway much 2 tall for a wolvi but his face is the best thing that happend to a comic movie cast of all other comic movies!tobey is much 2 fat for a peter parker, all the hulks were not really that matching and man dont let me get started with samuel l jackson on fury and ben affleck in dare devil & all the bruce waynes outthere were way wrong except christan bale!
so whos james?
another tv hack, man harry thats so lame!
hugh can be badass but what should he do write his own scripts, hugh has all acting skills and is a nice guy, which is very rare in this freaking industry.
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OKAY! ORIGINS SUCKS! WHERE'S MY SOLOMON KANE REVIEW, HARRY? HUH?!? WHEEEEEEEERE IIIIS IIIIIIT?!?!?!?!?
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"People really liked this movie" says nothing about its quality. It does, however, speak volumes about how easily entertained the unwashed masses are. If you defend this movie then shame on you. You're just telling the studios that you'll pay to see anything they they put out and market the shit out of. This movie doesn't meet any single criteria for a good movie. Unless you're Michael Bay and "It go BOOM bad men fighty cool!" is your definition of a good movie. The dialog is just pitiful, character development was nonexistent, writing was just fucking lazy and resulted in a plot that NOBODY would accept if this wasn't a Wolverine movie. Perhaps worst of all, the action scenes were amateur. Totally fucking amateur. Shit I sound like a raging geek, it's just so unfortunate to go on a site like this and see how easily amused some people are, because that just means movies like this will keep getting worse because you're ignorant, and really don't know that you should expect better.
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and it didnt work then. Supergirl. 1984. it took WB five years to realise that blunder and brought Batman to the big screen. Spinoffs rarely work when the studio insists on making films that have muted connectiosn to a franchise
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I hate about harry knowles. campaigning is not the same thing as reviewing. harry confuses the two. a good example of this will be the upcoming tintin movies. if he cant gain access to tintin. will he start to campaign against that or the hobbit movies
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You as U and Your as ur excessively are lazy morons and anything they write should not be taken seriously.
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Never thought I would have such a higher regard for a Nic Cage movie over a Hugh Jackman movie. Not perfect, but 1,000 times the movie Wolverine is.
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And then the bottom dropped out the next weekend. That film was also well regarded by movie goers originally, but now it is difficult to find anyone who claims that is a good film.
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May 03, 2009 10:23:25 AM CDT
This movie was like a shit-greased cock in the mouth
by the bicycle sharer
And not just any shit. We're talking Rosie O'Donnell's pooper here. It's that bad.Even my wife (no comic book fan, but a huge Jackman aficionado) thought that it was both silly and ridiculous. So I personally don't give a rat's ass how many morons and plants say that it was "a fun summer movie" or "great" or "entertaining," I'd rather have an enormous, shit-stained, gangrenous donkey dick shoved in my mouth than watch this again.If Wolvie was here, the last sounds anybody associated with this movie would hear would be "snikt, snikt!" 'Nuff said.
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Star Trek still sits at 100%. People, lets move away from this disaster of a film and look forward to what could possibly be a the movie event of the summer.
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Would you like me to go into how it could have been worse based on the rules of cinema or based on an adaptation? Or both?
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I only caught the end of Knowing, seemed kind of meh to me. So were those people SPOILERS divine messengers from God or aliens? Were the other acts better?
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No, the earlier acts weren't any better. Knowing was very meh. But Sexy is right in that its meh was many times better than Wolverine's bleh.
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"Could have been worse!" I bet those of you defending the movie by claiming it "could have been worse" counsel rape victims that it "could have been worse," too.Oops, I stand corrected (by myself). I guess no one is really saying that it "could have been worse" as a defense, but merely as a statement of fact. Indeed, it could have been worse. Having Wolverine engaged in gay sex while stroking off a donkey and screaming "fastball special" as he drank the equine jizz would have been worse...But not by much.
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We get to go through all this shit again in 2 years with the sequel
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...does not say anything whatsoever about the quality of the movie. It DOES however speak words about Harry's and this site's "influence" on the general public.
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The movie wasn't all that bad. The audience I saw it with appeared to enjoy it. Yes, there are problems with it. ie. comic continuity, plot, watered down violence, balls removed. And the wade/deadpool/weapon XI all wrong. I hope the rumour of the real wade ending is true.
All, most likly done to appeal to the mainstream masses. And based on the opening weekend results it worked. Will it have, legs probably not.
As for comments regarding the mindless mainstream, its why this film was made. Imagine if X1 tanked, there would probably be no X2 and nothing for anyone to comment on except for how bad X1 was. Same for Batman Begins and the Dark Knight. As for me, I'll take the bad/neutered with the good.
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The trailer for this seemed completely uninteresting, like a marketing ploy to squeeze a franchise... with silly images that seem tired enough to belong in scifi channel movies from 5 years ago. But, maybe the expectation was in built up comic cuture hype. I never really read up on x-men... I never even got very excited by the plots of any of the x-men movies, although they had a few cool moments here and there.
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.."What made these two strange men so patriotic that they'd fight repeatedly for their country? What was it about their American experience that made them go to war?"You are asking for a whole level of subtext that has no place in comic book actioner. Fuck it, no place in ANY film I'd like to watch anyway.Oh, and most people do leave the cinema look like gormless mormons - most of the population are.The reason you didn't find a group of film geeks grinning inanely and laughing like escapees from the special bus leaving Wolverine was because you had all been in the other screen watching the other film!You are not being objective with your criticism Harry - I think you liked it really
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This is the guy who wrote Slumdog Millionaire. Apparently he's never heard of Wolverine. He only took the job because his agent encouraged him to do so. This franchise is fucked.
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Sometimes I have to remind myself that different people have different tastes. Some people listen to Kenny G. Personally, I think Singer has yet to make a bad movie. He's a damn solid director. Love him. Wish he was gay.
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Sometimes I have to remind myself that different people have different tastes. Some people listen to Kenny G. Personally, I think Singer has yet to make a bad movie. He's a damn solid director. Love him. Wish he was gay.
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Do something.
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...but I think your wish has just come true.
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All you fucking nerds need to stop attacking this movies cause it's fucking great!!! Harry is a fat shit who loves everything no matter what and for some reason hates this movies . It's the perfect film to start off the summer movie season. It's the best that hollywood could do with a wolverine movie because they are hollywood and I wasn't expecting anything else. Huge Jackman is the best and I do mean the best Wolverine ever!!! He should mean a fucking oscar. Brillant. The only dumb part is Deadpool cause his a sick character and wasn't used correctly but a minor problem in a great movie.
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unless it really bottoms out, which I suppose it could given the reviews. I personally don't care, but I think it's hilarious that people are so up in arms about this.
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May 03, 2009 12:10:47 PM CDT
If you liked this movie, you are an idiot or teenager
by browncoat_jedi
No intelligent adult could possibly like this movie.
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I hate this review. It's so fucking stupid. Wolverine isn't a fucking complex character. His fucking upset. Harry complaining about character. His a fucking comic book character you fucking nerd. What the fuck?! I'm so mad because this movie is great and Hugh jackman is so fucking good in it. I'd love to see Harry made a movie because I'd bet anything he couldn't direct himself out of a box. See this movies it's great and don't listen to someone who uses a wheelchair to get around because his so fat.
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your dumb and I'm cool. You suck and I don't. Thank you. And you have the worst blog name ever. What does that even mean?! It should be could shitstains on a bloody mattress. Avatar
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As a result, more comic book adaptations will be on the way, and turned into films, and that will certainly help to make sure that one day, the studios will begin to get these movies right.
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I agree that X3 was the bomb baby !!!! Miles better than the snoozefest that was X1 all the people who criticise X3 are the die hard comic book geeks who whinge and whine that their beloved character wasnt fully fucking relalised properly on screen and just bitch about it! As long as the mutants are cool and the film good..as chris tucker in rush hour would say " I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!" yur never gonna please everyone and just look at the screen adaptations of famous novels over the yrs where all the book fans are up in arms about something or another!..it will always happen!
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As I stated in an earlier talkback, the financial viability of comic book movies is ensured for a long time to come. NO ONE is questioning their ability to make money. They are going to keep making them no matter what until kingdom come. WHat is in question though is what kind of summer entertainment people want, and if shit movies like Wolverine continue to make money it will just beget more shit movies and films like Iron Man and The Dark Knight will be seen as anomalies. After all whys hould they try when an idiot public will literally buy ANYTHING, as Wolverine proves.
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Mouth breathers who want NOTHING mroe from a film than action and don't care whether that action is even directed with the the slightest bit of skill or style. Not only that but they are snooty about NOT wanted anything even close to character development or a comprehensible plot. These people are disgusting and ensure that your vision of a studio system that gets these films right will never occur.
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@IndustryKiller!
Right on brother!, but you forgot to mention MainMan2001:P
This movie sucked, and yes MainMan2001 it could have been way better, look at some of the other great super hero movies we have had, first of they could have done Deadpool better, second they should have cut the mutant population in the film WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYY down and focused a little more on character development, it could have been more bloody and violent with at least some dismemberment, for 140 million dollars the special effects should have been waaaaaaaaaay better, if any movie should have been a little bit darker ala the Dark Knight it should have been this one, the list goes on, they could have done better, saying they cant is a cop out, just like when some people say you couldn't make a good movie from a video game, of course you can! you just need the right people. -
And the problem is that Rothman thinks of people who see movies as stupid heads of cattle and he creates movies based on that premise. Hugh Jackman is a great guy who has a tremendous passion for Wolverine AND the fans and Gavin Hood is a good director. So, what else could have gone wrong besides Rothman commissioning and then approving a script that is crap and then interfering with filming and sets?
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they are remaking singer's x-men movies. by making one character movie at a time. this will lead up to a fourth and final x-men movie directed by singer himself. If there was one thing I hated about the x-men movies. it was they turned rogue into a one note character. and then cured her in the third movie. grrr
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they are remaking singer's x-men movies. by making one character movie at a time. this will lead up to a fourth and final x-men movie directed by singer himself. If there was one thing I hated about the x-men movies. it was they turned rogue into a one note character. and then cured her in the third movie. grrr
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I'm honestly surprised at how many people seem incapable of figuring out the deal with the bullet. It's spelled out for you all. The bullet won't destroy Wolverine's brain - it'll grow back - and it's certain not to be enough to kill him - but if the matter of his brain is destroyed - or a big chunk of it thrown out - the impulses and pathways and stored material won't be there any more - so by removing a big chunk of it, it ought to "scramble" him. Makes sense to me, albiet the movie does it in shorthand.
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I have been a member on this site forever,but I only post once a year it seems.I think last year it was for The X-Files:I Want To Believe.Now it's for Wolverine...I feel your pain Harry,I too left the theater with that "empty" feeling.Like there was suppose to be more but felt cheated in a way.Not a real big fan of wolverine,his character doesn't excite me.I prefer the characters of Storm,Cyclops,Professor X,even the transporting blue/green critter.I too went home and plopped in X-Men 2(blu-ray)and I had watched X3 a few weeks ago.It's a toss up I thought X3 was the worst of the three X-Men but after watching Wolverine,I'm gonna watch X3 again.Maybe I was too harsh with "too many characters" and no background story on these "new" mutants.But I expected more from Wolverine,probably spoiled by the works of Batman Begins and Iron Man.Deadpool by far is my favorite video game character,from Marvel Ultimate Alliance.....shame what they did to his character...see you next year?Nah...still have Star Trek and Terminator 4,where they keep telling us to forget what we knew before...Terminator 3?
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about the double posts
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What fuck are you thinking. They killed off Charles, they Killed Scott, they forgot about Nightcrawler, they killed/cured Mystique, the butchered the Dark Phoenix storyline. That's like making a Starwars movie where they kill off Luke, Han and Leia.
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Judging by Harry's review, the movie seems way incomplete. There's too much missing there. Did the FCC shit all over it?
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Although they pretty much serve the same purpose.
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but I will admit my biggest gripe about the films was that there were too many characters. They should have left Xaviers school till much later on. they crammed too much in. They will make the magneto films to tell the story of magneto and charles. and show charles building his school in those films.
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they didnt kill charles xavier.
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Xaviers nurse comes in and says "charles is that you?" the camera pans down and we see charles xavier in the bed. There was a pivotal moment in xmen 3 where all the xmen are looking dejected after they think Charles has bitten the bullet and Charles nurse walks and plays video. Storm reads a letter to the effect that he has given his nurse specific instructions. we dont know what they are but xavier is still alive at the end of the movie.
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87 mil opening weekend. if there was ever any proof needed as to how obsolete this site and its obese creator have become, this is it.
It's amazing to me that there was ever a time where major studios would court someone like Harry Knowles. I suppose the perception was that nerds, losers, basement dwellers, and mouth breathers could affect box office. Well it's heartening to see that time has passed. I understand that no-life losers flock here looking for some kind of belonging that is denied them in everyday life. But stop kidding yourselves into thinking anything that happens at sites like this matters in the big picture. It is and will always be the general public who dictates the fate of a movie. I suspect we'll be seeing less and less 'pwesents' from the industry towards people like Harry. He managed to sneak in with the driftwood when the internet was still seen as revolutionary, but instances such as this will start to set the record straight. I wonder how much longer he'll be able to call people like Eli Roth and Guillermo Del Toro 'friends'... -
Spoiler ... I don't have the definitive answer of course, but I'm convinced they're meant to be angels. Perhaps angels as envisioned by Scientologists rather than Christians or Buddhists, but definitely divine. The final scene clearly evokes a new "Garden of Eden". I really liked the movie, it was very well done by Proyas - he needs to be given a good Marvel/DC franchise to helm. Can't say the same of the Wolverine WP.
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May 03, 2009 2:32:09 PM CDT
Even with the infamy, even with the leaks, it still came out ahe
by terry1978
Yeah, Star Trek will knock it off next weekend, but this entire next week, some kids are outta school, either for summer or swine flu closings, and they will go see this. It'll recoup its budget.
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it was fucking awful one of the worst movies of that year. shit and any year. piece of garbage
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when harry doesnt get set visit privilegs to the hobbit or advance tix to peter jackson tin tin movie. then they wont be friends.
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People liked Daddy Day Care. People fucking loved Twilight. Someone out there loves Pluto Nash. Fuck, Crash won an oscar. It should be no surprise that the >100 IQ majority of moviegoers would accept this fetid turd. That doesn't make any aspect of it defensible. It fails as a movie in every way except for having explosions, which I suppose it barely pulls off, and that's enough for some. It's not, however, any reason for you to defend the abysmal dialog, the nonexistent character development, the convoluted and ill-conceived plot, the gaping inconsistencies (not just with the comics, but within Fox's own movie franchise,) and the no-excuse-for shittyness of the cgi and most fx. I can accept an entertaining movie that isn't actually good (shit, I enjoyed Southland Tales, and that was pretty bad) but I don't understand how anyone was actually entertained by this. Unless it was because they were laughing all the way through, like most of my theater.
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much money as angels and demons. mark my words. that movie will have no competition bo office wise.
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Did they change the ending from the book? It was totally unbelievable in text form, will be even more so on the big screen. If they didn't change it, I bet word of mouth squashes subsequent weeks after a big opening.
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This will be a great year for movies, Wolverine and Bayformers notwithstanding.
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In my opinion of course. Others may feel otherwise.
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...the geniuses display how intelligent they are by insulting anyone who dares to say they enjoyed this film. Way t'go, champs!
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May 03, 2009 3:18:22 PM CDT
PEOPLE WHO ADMIT ENJOYING WOLVERINE INSULT THEMSELVES
by bringingsexyback
No need to pile on.
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..'looking like gormless morons'I wouldn't want people to think I had anything against those on a latter-day saints buzz after all.HARRY - GEDAFUGGINEDITBUTTON!
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angels & demons will be the biggest box office hit, but sadly i guess transformers and t4 will come close!
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Let those amateurs who admit to liking Wolverine be forever haunted by their own words!!!!
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Is the pulling of his elastic waistband as it stretches around his ginormous girth.
Is the his gravitational pull as smaller bodies enter his orbit.
Is the pull of his medical band that he has wrapped around his stomach because he has no willpower.
Really Harry? So because Fox didnt invite you to a screening of their movie you pan it?
Because of the wholesale changes made to Wolverines storyline it sucks??
Its funny but for some reason Transformers was lauded as a super fun popcorn movie even though your buddy Michael Bay completely and utterly BUTCHERED the story and the characters.
Fuck you Harry, youre such a payola seeking piece of shit.
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Get over it. Looking at Rotten Tomatoes looks like more than half of all critics weren't buttered up by Fox. It was badly made and Harry's review is right on despite his reasons for doing so (and I really doubt it's because of his relationship with the studio)
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It is because your failure to be a discerning moviegoer and willingness to not just accept but embrace inferior products adversely effects the rest of us. If someone makes a good point, and you happen to say "Gee, he's right, that movie did suffer from horrible dialog." or "Man, if Fox cared at all about the viewing audience they would have invested in quality, not quantity of FX." Then will be more likely to notice such failures in the future, where you seem oblivious to them now. But of course you just get defensive and make sardonic posts which don't address the topic at hand because the people who think this movie wasn't bad aren't the type to engage in discourse for their edification. Anyone can like this movie, or get some form of enjoyment from it, for taste is obviously subjective. No matter how much you like this movie, it doesn't change the fact that it was poorly made, and showing displeasure at that can on only help make future movies better. Supporting poorly made films only ensures their continued proliferation.
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neither does the rest of the world anymore, hes done, he had impact once and lost it with great bought reviews from filmakers & studios and people dont believe in him anymore. remember what should i think about a guy who really loved twilight and hates wolverine? i mean come on, a really bad wolvie movies wins over a chick flick anytime...if u are a so called fanboy, comic fan etc and not a sold out drag.
no way he can boycot a comic movie and on the same level say, how great twilight was or tell everyone he liked watchmen and they fukked up that movie as well!
i mean he loved indy 4 and already tells everybody how great this shit tarantinos basterds is and the movie wasnt even done and he wrote the best review ever about it, just because quentin gave him a free ride. there is a word for it corrupt!
thats what a critic never should be, someone who has his price....thats poor and everybody knows it and nobody will ever give a fuck about him and his opinion anymore. hes done, like tarantino! -
...to enjoying a movie that was anything less than stellar, huh SexyBack? Cuz yer good like that. Hey, just because you and others of your ilk are the first to jump up the asses of anyone you deem beneath you DOES NOT make you cool. It just exposes you as a smug prick.
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oh and plus ur 6 bucks harry! even u tried for month 2 tell everybody not to see it, even urself but u lost againgst urself and the rest of the fanboys!
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Not at all. Just above I said I enjoyed Knowing quite a lot, although it's not "perfect". It had some stellar moments, but not on the whole. I think it was most hampered by the presence of Nic Cage, but Proyas being a great director, I think he was handled as well as could be. Not perfect, but like I said - 1,000 times the movie Wolverine is. I'm not a smug prick, just an opinionated one.
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$6 could've fed a starving family in Africa. Instead he rewarded mediocre Fox fare.
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Wow. Maybe more movies ought to have a workprint leaked.
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And before some twerp pulls that tired-ass "apologist" shit, I'm not defending a movie I haven't seen yet. I'm saying think before you speak. Clearly, you have a high opinion of yourself. Great. And I get what you're sayin, Opus. But does that justify using terms like "ignorant, unwashed masses, etc."? We know they exist. Hell that explains how material such as Fast and Furious makes money. But I'm pretty sure any movie critic who did that would be jobless.
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Good god half of the fanboys who bitch during production will see it anyway. That's a given. Whatever you thought of the film is...whatever you thought. I could care less. But don't go quoting box office figures. Both shitty and exceptional films can make good box office and they can make poor revenue. It's all in the marketing.
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i called it. knew would suck from the trailers, thats why im not going to see it.
but my opinion doesn't matter, the masses have spoken and and and gave the movie over 70 million giving the movie a bigger gross opening than watchmen, which was WAY better movie. I just hope star trek beats this load of fox trash next weekend so this movie would just fade away... -
I can respect opinionated, BSB. Peace.
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I can respect opinionated, BSB. Peace.
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May 03, 2009 3:49:44 PM CDT
BERSERKER - SINCE MAGNUS AND I SAW WOLVERINE AND YOU DIDN'T
by bringingsexyback
Maybe if you watched it you' be agreeing with us. Just a thought.
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Vaya con Bale.
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I'll give you that "ignorant unwashed masses" was inflammatory and kinda dickish on my part. The thing is, if you haven't seen this movie, you shouldn't be going after its critics. For the most part the almost universally bad reviews are completely right. The movie is that poorly made. Is someone in the wrong for enjoying it? Nope. But defending the quality of a movie this bad is bound to elicit some impassioned responses. If one of your friends told you "Beverly Hills Chihuaha is actually good. You just don't like it because of (insert pedantic complaint here.)" Would you let it slide? Or would you tell them they are a fucking idiot? A movie like this is especially incendiary with fans like me because it sets a dangerous precedent. Any studio exec or producer has enough film knowledge (and I have no illusions about how little some of them has, but still) to see that Wolverine is, straight up and down, a bad film, but that it can also be profitable. This is a case where bad word of mouth, be it from professional reviews or hack TBers like me, may stop some people from going to see this film. If that is the case, they are being done a favor, while simultaneously doing the world a favor by not supporting vastly inferior work.
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...predicted a great first weekend for WOLVERINE, just on the character familiarity and Fox marketing dollars alone. The key test is how this flick fares in its 2nd, 3rd and 4th weeks of release. Prediction: this sinks faster than a gangster tied to a cement block in the Hudson River. In comparison, IRON MAN had stellar word of mouth and repeat audiences for pretty much the whole summer of 2008.
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That has nothing to do with the film. You want to prove you arent ignorant? Defend your fucking position or go home. Sometimes a spade must be called a spade.
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If ever there was proof that Earth is Satan's kingdom, Wolverine's box office proves it.
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Salvation arrives May 21st.
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WOLVERINE being bad doesn't somehow make the last turd magically better.
Repeat after me: The consensus on WATCHMEN is final. It was a disappointment. Deal with it. -
Had Terminator Salvation opened Friday.
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Your point doesn't make sense. "The consensus on WATCHMEN is final. It was a disappointment." OK, that's definitely true. That doesn't mean it sucked. Anything short of the best movie of the year would be a disappointment. So if it's only the 2nd best it sucks, because it's a disappointment? I don't get that logic... And for that matter, the critical response was pretty damn good, so, by your logic you must be wrong because someone else says you are? /shrug
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That's the consensus in his household. Thank you for sharing.
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it will make a worldwide solid 250 mil. not more, but enough and still more than watchmen!
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iPod (aka A-Pod, as I named him) was a good mp3 player, and a good bowler. I bought him in 2003, before most of you bastages even knew what the iPod was all about. I was an early adopter and supporter of the device. I kept it clean, always within optimal atmospheric temperature and conditions and I never- EVER dropped him. iPod went all over the world with me. Well-traveled, loaded with everything from Aaron Copland to David Cross. This was a good mp3 player. This morning, I went to transfer some files onto him and shit started going South very quickly. Disk scans- freezing- all around mayhem. It may become a zombie-Pod if I can restore its software- but I think the hard disk is toast. I just wanted to say something nice about him here. All of you are fighting about some WOLF movie, or what have you. There are some real tragedies happening outside of this talkback. I hope this brings you some fucking perspective. Bale Bless.
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As much as I love the graphic novel, some material just does not translate well to a live action film, at least not in its original story form. But I still like WATCHMEN; it was a failure, but it was an ambitious, interesting failure from a talented filmmaker. In my mind, its closest comparison is Spielberg's A.I.---another interesting, but stupendous misfire from a talented director. But as much of a failure it is, when A.I. is on cable, I'll always sit down and watch it. WOLVERINE had no ambition behind it; it was bad on a BATMAN & ROBIN level.
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May 03, 2009 4:13:27 PM CDT
I MIGHT HAVE BEEN EVER SO SLIGHTLY DISAPPOINTED BY WATCHMEN
by bringingsexyback
had I read and adored Moore's graphic novel. Alas, I am not so burdened and was able to see the genius in Snyder's vision. Pure masterpiece.
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Just got back from seeing Wolverine. I did not expect it to be as bad as it was. The most sloppy filmmaking I have seen in a while. Adamantium bullets? Are you kidding me? How 'bout Wolverine slicing out of the lab with perfectly styled AND dried hair after just being submerged in water for several minutes? That was a doozy as well. I couldn't stop checking my cell phone clock during the last twenty minutes. I just didn't care anymore... I got the Deadpool ending in which he picks up his head and gives the "shhhhh..." Incredibly lame. This movie was all over the place. Confusing editing. Sub-par effects. Too many characters. MASSIVE FAIL... Fuck you, Fox. You could fuck up a wet dream.
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...But I've been grappling all weekend with the disappointing feedback on this movie. It is as I feared. I mean, it went from a must-see to a maybe on DVD in record time. I'm sorry you exposed yourselves to such a cluster. I can only hope y'all will see something this summer to negate that experience. Hey, I work for my money same as any of you, so I do appreciate the honesty. While I hesitate to call myself a fanboy (i.e. someone who quotes comic events like scripture), I am a geek. It's like someone else stated above: How do they screw something like this up?! That's what's been going through my head all weekend. Oh sure, they'll make money, but couldn't they have treated the source material with something resembling respect?
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May 03, 2009 4:18:31 PM CDT
I set my sights low after 3 duff x-men movies
by wolverines_leaky_workprint
well, they werent duff. i have a friend who cant read, so he doesnt know comics, and he said they were good sci-fi movies. I guess because i went into each x-men movie with retardly high expectation about what i was going to get to see on screen, i was always going to be dissapointed. Anyway after the bollock-explodingly bad x-men 3, which promised sentinels but didnt deliver, i learned. yes, i learned. i learned, oh yes, oh yes, i learned. i learn.... ed. i learned to set my expectations low. and then when i saw myself in the mirror, and watched myself nude, sans accoutrements and effects sequences, i thoroughly enjoyed myself. with only a pale cast of thought in the back of my mind saying 'this is shit'
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Your iPod will now sing the music of Bale's angels. It's in a better place than we are. Praise Bale.
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Most superhero comic-book based movies will always be garbage. Guess why? Superhero comic books are STUPID! Alien invasions and deaths and resurrections and villains with giant blenders on their heads and dudes who run fast. You've seen the best of them you can ever expect to see. Sure, there might be another anomaly, here and there, but are you really counting on THOR to be a masterpiece? Samuel Jackson has signed on for NINE Marvel movies. NINE! When none of these characters has ever kept its mojo going past their second try, you really think you're going to get nine good movies from Marvel???? You're on gas.
Here's what you're gonna continue to get: DAREDEVILS, HELLBOYS, WOLVERINES, INCREDIBLE HULKS, BATMAN FOREVERS, and SUPERMAN 3S. Get used to it, and get over yourselves. Someone is bound to think WOLVERINE's great, just as someone was bound to think CLOVERFIELD was great, just as someone thinks DAWSON'S TREK will change all of our lives and we are about to be fucked blind by James Cameron.
Point is, you're all wrong. The only opinion about movies that matters is mine. You feel the same way about yours. You're calling me an idiot? Pot, kettle just called you a nigga. -
I have a Creative Zen Vision M that's on it's last legs (the hard drive keeps clicking and songs skip). It's kept me amused on many a long commute and I'll be sorry to see it go. Not only is it a good music player, but even to this day, it's still one of the best portable video players around that can handle WMV, MP4, and .avi Divx and Xvid video files.
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'I approached the box office and the ticket guy was all set to comp me, but I said, "No, I'll pay for this one."
So, did you pay for both your seats, or just the milk crate that props your right ass check up from the gooey surface that is the theater floor? I kid, I kid... just some hazing from one fat man to another. -
Yep, only I could have fucked that up.
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Thank you.
But seriously, what's the big deal with this WOLVERINE movie? I watched the workprint, I didn't enjoy it. I moved on. Is Harry okay? Does he need a hug or something? -
Fuck, so much sadness in this world. Can we find comfort in our shared losses? I don't know, but I'm willing to try.
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Nah, I don't buy your premise about flawed source material. Your assertion brings to mind an old journalists' saying: there are no boring stories, only boring writers.
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and wrote a review about it.give him some respect for this or stfu.
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Your presence here is comforting. I've been coming dangerously close to having civil discourse on this site lately with seemingly intelligent people. Your posts bring bring this TB back to the child-yelling-their-opinion-with-fingers-in-ears level that it should be at. Kudos!
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$87 million this weekend, about what we all thought, the big question is next weekends drop off, I am betting more than 50%. have not seen it, have heard a lot of mixed reviews from mainstream critics (who know jack shit about movies anyways) as well as people who saw it. Still on the fence, don't know if I am gonna see it.
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Dude, just sayin', maybe some people's expectations weren't as high as yours. Do whatcha gotta do, Harcore. My expectations are ridiculously high for a film such as this. Alas, higher than my funds. I guess some folks won't be going in with quite as much at stake. I'm willing to overlook some faux pas, I don't always need a life-changing experience. Nevetheless, the laundry list of flaws has all but murdered my enthusiasm. I agree with many who say perhaps it's time to reboot the franchise. An' for my money, Watchmen was great.
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I am BERSERKR! dernit, that other guy is Berserkermustant there is a diff i tell ya!
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You gotta work on your confidence, man! Nobody can discern what yer sayin', it's so understated. Seriously, bro. The Dark Knight IS an anomaly, and the bulk of comics ARE boneheaded. But to blind yourself to the possibilties some of them present is doing yourself a disservice.
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I am sure what you meant to say is that the bulk of comic MOVIES are boneheaded right?
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...paste a link to where I can watch this online? Please? My usual place has had it removed. Saving my money for Star Trek
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May 03, 2009 4:57:45 PM CDT
Unfortunately this film will do away with the sense that...
by rbatty024
comic book movies, like the Dark Knight, can have ambitious stories to tell. Now the studios will see that they can make a quick buck by throwing a recognized product on screen. Then all they need to do is put a young director with little pull behind the camera so they can push him around all they want. Whatever happened to that Supermax film? That sounded cool.
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I was a bit distracted. Btw, I didn't mean to usurp your name. I wanted to use it for a while (before I knew you existed), and thought I'd honor Wolverine. Ever got a tatoo you regreted?
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*sigh* I guess this trainwreck isn't going to stop anytime soon. In hard times people flock to entertainment that takes them away from the dreary reality. Maybe this means STAR TREK will break box office records????
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Its all good, your name isnt exactly like mine:P and there are definitely some good comics out there, i just wonder why or how some people don't understand how to make a good comic book movie and some do, i guess the ones that make the bad ones are of the same mindset who LIKE the bad ones:P and i have no tattoos as of yet, i am 30 and want one, just not sure why i have not yet:P
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http://www.hollywoodreporter. com/hr/content_display/news/e3i06056b3e4345348405f514beb26b3d4a
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Who watches the WATCHMEN?
Bale.
Who wastes the WOLVERINE's?
Bale.
No Bale. No Peace. I for one aint gonna the cinema again unless it's Bale up there on screen. -
But you could be right. Brrr. That's a dreary forecast. I know these studio cats speak money, but they need to pull their heads outta their wallets an' pay attention to critical feedback. Good movies generate good will from audiences.
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alas, so sad:
"Wolverine's" opening launch bested those of the previous "X-Men" titles" -Fox -
his hair? They don't even bother with the points on the sides any more.
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money and awards. If a film gets a lot of money then they believe it is a success. However, sometimes they will make an Oscar baiting film believing that winning an award means the film is of high quality (even though just about every movie critic out there will tell you otherwise). My guess is that most execs know little about actually making films.
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Seriously, why is it in these movies,all the characters intertwine through the decades popping in and out of each other's lives and not having a clue that they are. Seriously there was no reason Cyclops or Charles Xavier should have been in this movie. Almost as bad as Chewbacca saving Yoda's life in the Clone Wars.
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Here is another thing wrong with Wolverine, i just read Roger Eberts review and he says like we all know Wolverines Story in the movie starts in the Northwest Territories of Canada in 1840, but here is the kicker, Canada wasn't formed until 1867!!! and the Northwest Territories in 1870, goes to show the caliber of writing in this hunk a junk:P
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after reading these reviews im convinced it would be rock because of its exciting premise. better than that shit x-men3 which im still recovering from btw. my sister watched it recently and she laughed so hard but she kept watching because it was so funny. her favorite scene was when that angel dude broke free and jumped.
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Agreed, there have been some phenomenal comics published, and anyone who thinks they're all just juvenile wish-fulfillment isn't really looking. For the life of me, I'll never understand what goes through some moviemakers' minds. I keep coming back to the fact that some of them can't even make a movie with a premise as simple as A Guy with A Gun. Witness Punisher: War Zone. Or don't. As you said, they must simply aim for the lowest common denominator. The most successful of these adaptations have been helmed by a director who had something to say beyond see my movie. I'm thinking Singer, Raimi, and Nolan. Batty, I hate those type of Oscar-bait movies, where the studios all but beg that their film be seen because of its resounding "quality". I don't know if that trend will ever disappear. As some have stated, it's more than a case of "ignore it and it will go away". We have to be vocal, yet diplomatic, and say we will not settle for below-average fare masquerading as an "EVENT". Praise Bale.
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Agreed, there have been some phenomenal comics published, and anyone who thinks they're all just juvenile wish-fulfillment isn't really looking. For the life of me, I'll never understand what goes through some moviemakers' minds. I keep coming back to the fact that some of them can't even make a movie with a premise as simple as A Guy with A Gun. Witness Punisher: War Zone. Or don't. As you said, they must simply aim for the lowest common denominator. The most successful of these adaptations have been helmed by a director who had something to say beyond see my movie. I'm thinking Singer, Raimi, and Nolan. Batty, I hate those type of Oscar-bait movies, where the studios all but beg that their film be seen because of its resounding "quality". I don't know if that trend will ever disappear. As some have stated, it's more than a case of "ignore it and it will go away". We have to be vocal, yet diplomatic, and say we will not settle for below-average fare masquerading as an "EVENT". Praise Bale.
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Prepare, this could be a lot. CASTING Steve Buscemi as General Stryker Paris Hilton as Kayla Silverfox Charles Barkley as John Wraith DIALOGUE (there were no cheesy one-liners on par with the horror that was the Batman and Robin script... but there could have been!) Ext. ALLEYWAY- NIGHTGambit comes helicoptering down between Wolverine and Victor. Gambit: "Mind if I... STICK around?" *slams power stick into the ground creating an earthquake that knocks down the two brothers* Ext. 3 Mile Island Rubble- DAY Kayla lays dying in Logan's arms. Kayla: "I'm so cold." Wolverine: "That's because you're not wearing any clothes." *Wolverine uses his claws to rip Kayla's shirt off one last time* (see what we did there? Bringing back the same line of dialogue that Grandpa Ben used on Logan in the barn?) Int. Grocery Store- Day Wolverine is in a small grocery store, buying food for himself. Grocery Clerk: "Paper or plastic?" Logan (carrying food away in his arms): "I prefer metal." Wolverine also pays for the food with a credit card that has ONE name on it: LOGAN. Also, his credit card number is made of the numbers from LOST: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42.
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Cyclops and Wolverine work together to save the children from Alkali Lake, Wolverine guiding Cyclops by the hand at times, at others, barking orders to "Turn left! Fire! Straight up! Now behind you!" shooting soldiers left and right. In the end, its such a traumatic experience for them both, that when Professor X shows up, he erases Cyclops' and Wolverine's memories so that they won't remember each other. And Professor X will just pretend he has no idea who Wolverine is or where he came from when he sees him 20 years later. When Wolverine confronts Victor after learning Kayla is still alive, he has him by the throat, ready to kill. But Victor starts crying, pleading with Logan not to kill him. Tears streaming out of his eyes, he claims it was all Stryker's idea, that if Victor didn't do it, Stryker would kill all the mutant children in the cells. Logan believes him and releases Victor. Victor then continues the fight, slapping Wolverine around in a full 360. Immediately after Victor gets off 3 Mile Island, he bumps into a plastic-faced Magneto who says "You could be useful someday in the future. Here's my card." Logan got his more famous name because he raises wolverines in his spare time, in a pen behind his cabin. Kayla and Logan have a sexy disco dance sequence around their log cabin set to the BeeGees "Stayin' Alive". Also, all the fight scenes are shot in extreme closeup. And every fight scene is punctuated by a crash of crazy nu-metal music to tell you just how HARDCORE! this film really is. -
Yeah I got a "Garden of Eden" type vibe too. Especially with the whole "only people who heard the word" or whatever can go. But their transportation for the kids was a bit sci fi so that's why I had doubts. Also, do you know who that chick is with Hanks in the A&D posters as far as character? I'm surprised they didn't use the ambigram design from the books
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I threw up in my mouth a little. That, for me, was the final nail in the coffin. I mean, c'mon! Are these guys not even trying anymore? I hate to go all fanboyish, but this reeks of a pack o' amatuer jagoffs. I swear, it's like they put Logan in the Civil War cuz it would look "cool". Was the comics timeline not enough? He participated in World Wars I & II. That was IT. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a guy who reads.
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sounds like something Uwe Boll would make
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testes
1,2...3?
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It was better than x-men 1 or 3. It had a decent story and plenty of action. It is NOT in the league of DK or Iron man, but I liked it more than the latest hulk movie.
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...and it's bollocks.Not quite 'Catwoman' bollocks, but not far off! 'Ghost Rider' bollocks, let's say. Or 'Elektra' - that level of bollocks.Knock it on the head now, Hugh, you've wanked it dry mate.
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I like the sound of your version better:P sounds like it would be more fun.
And Berserkermutant the only problem i had with Eberts review is when he would go on about how he doesn't understand how Wolverine is so popular, and that he has no charsima and how can you care about someone that cant die and feels no pain, he shouldn't talk about something he doesn't understand just based on his knowledge from the movie, Wolverine has plenty of personality and he DOES feel pain, he feels every scratch, every Bullet and burn and thats what makes him tough is the fact he does feel it but he takes it like a man. -
The latest Hulk movie was leaps and bounds better than Wolverine as a matter of fact so was Ang Lees version:P
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Why? Because it didn't have pretensions to being anything other than a stupid action movie. Is that wrong? Snyder, OTOH, managed to copy everything from Watchmen the comic without getting anything resembling its soul. Wolverine was not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination, but quit putting other comic book movies on a freaking pedestal (all three X-Men movies had there weak points, too.)
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Yes all three X-men movies had flaws, the are not perfect or really all that good either, but they are all better than Wolverine, they just change to much and try to cram in way to many mutants. I dont mind a good popcorn flick but Wolverine is nothing but problems and there is nothing good i took away from it.
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"Watchmen will be remembered in 20 years" crap. Snyder made a xerox copy of the comic and passed it off as an art film. It was the biggest scam of the year, and the public didn't fall for it.
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I honestly didnt mind it, although I admit Deadpool was pretty freaking silly (and Deathstrike in X2 wasn't?) Ive seen worse, people should quit talking like Rothman personally killed their families.
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Hire me to write the next one!
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Dude are you fucking kidding me! I honest to God laughed out loud upon reading that (seriously no matter our differences that was genuinely funny). I couldnt possibly hate that Wolverine movie, that would just be way to self aware and funny. And Logan getting the Wolverine moniker by raising actual Wolverines is no more cliched or silly than the absurd random story absurd random girl character tells. In fact none of the shit you mentioned that could have possibly within reason have been written into the film is any more ridiculous than what ended up in the film. For Christ sake if you incorporated the stuff you mentioned and I had asked oyu how they could have made the film worse you would have said "A wise old man giving him a speech about "Everyone having a choice" and Wolverine responding "Mine got taken from me" (which is bullshit since he DID make the choice with the adamantium) or his memory getting erased via memory erasing bullets." Seriously man the film is every bit as ridiculous as anything you spelled out here.
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I just cant get the thought out of my head that Rothman actually said Fuck the fans. I also don't understand how a movie can cost over 140 million dollars but look like it cost 30 million:P
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Glad you thought it was funny =). I think the stuff I thought up would make a far worse film, and I would not want to see a Wolverine movie that was that self-aware. Logan raising wolverines in the back is far too much on the nose (more so than the fairy tale Silverfox tells him) for me. I think I'd spend most of the film rolling my eyes (though a movie that did embrace that level of ridiculousness might be very enjoyable). And actually, if what I wrote was what was actually in the movie, and you asked "How could it have been worse?!" I would not have added the "A wise old man giving him a speech..." bit. I would have said Logan got drunk one day in a college town in Michigan with a bunch of football players, and he woke up the next day to find a Wolverine tattoo on his chest.
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You'd have the fuckin' job! Berserkr, I know exactly what you mean. I love how some critics (including Ebert)will try to draw attention to something in the hopes that they will expose it as ridiculous. I have to take such reviews with a grain of salt because clearly they don't know the history of the character. This is not a first for him. He related in a volume of his Home Movie Companion on Star Trek IV how he "got" the director because the Klingon starship shouldn't have been able to perform like an aircraft on Earth. Nimoy had to correct him, pointing out that the ship employs VTOL technology like a Harrier jet. Silly, I know, but Lord. You'd think an obviously intelligent guy could watch a SCIENCE FICTION movie with a somewhat open mind.
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I'm in NO way defending the adamantium bullets, which don't make one lick of sense. I guess we're to assume adamantium can cut through adamantium? It doesn't even work like that in the comics, does it? Like I said, I thought the first half was solid. The second half is full of laughable moments. Adamantium bullets being one. Cyclops automatically running after seeing Victor in the window is another.
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Couldn't possibly have been any worse than Will.I.Am, who was barely opening his mouth as he spoke. Not an ounce of honesty or believability, just mumbling lines inarticulately, the guy was terrible.
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Summers just running as soon as he saw Creed in the window. Thats priceless!
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prequels are constrained, this movie just should've taken place AFTER X3.
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Who knew there were that many 12 year olds in America. Now we can look forward to being spoon fed more of this sort of stupid shit in the years to come. Here's betting this thing drops at least 60% next weekend.
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Because I was surprised that Will.I.Am didn't completely suck, for the most part. I thought he did competently, though if you're expecting crap, anything more would certainly be better.
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I guess Scott has had some bad experiences with leery old men at windows.
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I thought the opposite, they were making too many concessions to the fans, or what they thought the fans would like. "Let's throw as many mutants onscreen as we can." But I truly enjoyed the first half. I would have actually preferred more of the covert ops stuff, but then again I'm a sucker for that kind of Bond crap.
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I got a different ending... Deadpool/Weapon XI getting out of the rubble and PICKING UP HIS OWN HEAD. No lie.
I would love for them to adapt the Japan storylines, but I'm not holding my breath. -
I got a different ending... Deadpool/Weapon XI getting out of the rubble and PICKING UP HIS OWN HEAD. No lie.
I would love for them to adapt the Japan storylines, but I'm not holding my breath. -
As Logan walks out the grocery store, he walks past a cloaked Eric Lensherr, who lowers his sunglasses to watch Logan pass, looking him up and down. He says to himself "Me too."
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The longer the adaptation generation goes, the better Bay and Spielberg look...
For me, Spiderman and the new Batman franchises have come as closer to satisfying those of us looking for the perfect synthesis of movie and childhood comic magic.
I would argue that Spiderman 2 was overrated because it was so formulaic, and Iron Man shows good promise because it is the rare comic movie leaving you wanting more without feeling cheated.
Beyond some older notable exceptions like Darkman, and some newer movies (see Ledgers Joker, 300, etc.) we haven't really seen a sold grade "A" comic book movie.
Dare I say it, the longer this goes, the more Bay looks like he knows what he is doing. Forgive me, but I can watch TF for SFX/entertainment value more than once, and all these other movies (beyond Ledger) just get a big ole memory dump once I walk out...
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don't have too. It's a perk of your job. And the half of us that have jobs that post on here take advantage of our job perks, so stop caving and take the free ride.
They'll paint you as a limpdick, anyway so take what you can get.
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I'll take a movie that is intentionally funny rather than one thats unintentionally funny in a way that doesn't make you laugh so much as sigh at the injustice of it all.
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You know, I tried to lower my expectations enough to enjoy this film. I do agree that the man Reynolds did what he does best... but shit! He was only in the flick for 6 minutes! Also, could somebody help me out - was Picard really in this? Was it even his voice??
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Patrick Stewart does voice work on American Dad regularly. I think he can probably find time for a cameo in a big summer film if he's asked.
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Harry Knowles praises Daredevil, Star Wars: AOTC, Mission Impossible III, but somehow, a decent film like Wolverine is shit upon for no reason. This movie may not have been loyal to the source material, but its a damn entertaining film and much better than X-Men 1 or 3. Do you even remember the roaring, nontalking Sabertooth from X1, the plot to mutanize our world leaders. It was about the equivalent of the Adam West Batman where they turn the world leaders into powder. Wolverine had good action and pretty solid chemistry between Jackman and Scheiber. By no means was this a great movie, but it does not deserve to be shit on the way you people are. Oh yeah, FUCK TRANSFORMERS. Anyone who liked that should shoot themselves in their fucking face with an adamantium bullet.
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Casting aside, I can honestly say your movie might have been better. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge, self awareness trumps oblivious self indulgence for me any day. In my brain film your Wolverine is basically McBain, or the generic police procedural cop played by Stevey Baldwin in Forgetting Sarah Marshall. "It's going to be hard for her to re-enter the pageant...without a face!"
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I'm not going to blast you for liking a movie as bad as Wolverine, but how can you praise this while saying "FUCK TRANSFORMERS."
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that pre-post makes it look like I'm defending Transformers. I was going to say: They are basically the same movie. Not just mindless fluff, but lazy, insultingly bad garbage. The special effects in Transformers were laughable, but it was in design more than execution, where Wolverine couldn't put together a convincing action scene with MUCH easier material. You don't seem to realize it, but you're grouping yourself with the same fans whom you say "should shoot themselves in their fucking face..."
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Let me preface everything by saying that I have been a Wolverine/X-Men fan for years. I own the Origin series
Wow, Harry. Reaching for some negative thing to say there? The opening sequence does exactly what you were confused about, shows the bonding of two brothers who watched after each other in battle.
Who cares why, when, how Wolverine and his woman fell in love? Did they tell how John McClane fell in love with his wife in Die Hard? Or how he became a cop?
Action scenes were decent. The helicopter scene was far from the best one. The Gambit scenes were good. The fight at the end with Deadpool was good.
This movie was not excellent. It was good. It wasn't X2, Iron Man or Dark Night. But it was good. It had some plot holes, but they didn't kill the movie.
Harry, it started with you tantrum about not getting a free pass from Fox and continued in your review. You're a hack. Your leaning on other critics as a reason for not seeing this was lame. Your reaching for reasons not to like this film in your own review were lame. You've got no skills at this. I hate to tear another man down, but don't try to pass yourself off as a critic when basically you're just a geek (like the rest of us) who has a popular web site. You get your special invitations because you have eyes on your site, not because you know anything about film. -
It's interesting to watch the haters(people who just hate movies for the sake of having something to hate) agree with Harry on this film. Ussually it's haters complaing about Harry loving a film. It kinda feels like watching someone agree with something that Pat Buchanan says. It doesn't feel right. Because the foundation of what Pat thinks is not right... you know that it really means something different for him. That's what it's like reading haters who normally hate everything Harry says agreeing with him. You know it's not coming from the same place. At the end of the day... Harry loves watching movies. Haters love to hate movies. When they agree... it's just... strange to witness.
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I have not seen the movie yet. (It's called an adult life many of you should look into it. Quick test... if you have seen more than 75% of all super hero movies on opening weekend raise your hand. Good now take the other hand and choke yourself). However the comments are absolutely bizarre. First and worst Harry, oh your creaming for Star Trek.... wow what a shocker. I like the website but you are almost entirely predicatble at this point. Next the "I can’t believe they messed up... fill in the blank”. Have you read any of the comics lately, most are either retelling the same story over and over again or are changing so many character elements via and “origin” gimmick or some other retelling that it is hard to know who these character are anymore. The truth is that the best of what a superhero character is as you define it is in your head and not on the page or the screen. It is almost impossible to live up to expectations. I lost faith in seeing a “Wolverine” movie when they made it PG-13 and so should have anybody else. I will go to see it but my expectations are low and that has nothing to do with the posts. If you look at the entire genre there are maybe five (less than ten) films that really stand out and the rest are popcorn/let’s test the home theater when it comes out on DVD stuff wwhich is usually good enough.
Last, if you want to watch a really good Wolverine story tonight buy Hulk Vs. You also get an OK Thor story and actually get to see Wolverine do what he does best and I don't mean flex his delts. -
(Please forgive me this is a rant from a 27 year fan of Marvel comics).
I've not as of yet seen the movie, but have never expected anything less than the crap that has been produced I hated the xmen movies I think Bryan Singer F-ed them up like he did with superman and as for Xmen 3 don't get me started.
Why were they unable to get someone who loved the comics to make the and the x men movie like how Sam Raimi did with Spiderman (I know 3 was bad but we can forgive him because of 1 and 2 were great)?
The X men and wolverine movies could of been great the story arc’s and characters are so rich.
However they choose to weak options like in the X men movies sticking with Magneto I would of stated with the sentinels the woven genosha & magneto in the sequel with a Apocalypse finally.
I'm still trying to think how this adamantium bullet thing was going to work when I've seen wolverine pop his own claws in his head to prevent the brood from taking him over????
I'm also not interested in the who Logan as a boy thing and sabretooth being his brother all to convenient (maybe that's just me) I love the adventures with Cap and the Weapon X stuff and the back-story up to 1995 and that's me.
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holy. fuck.
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"It doesn't make sense, but remember this is a stupid, action/comic book movie! You have to make something up that makes sense." Dumbest fucking statement of the talkback. According to this fuck comic book movies should be so stupid YOU have to write them in your own head!
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Said they're discussing Gambit and Deadpool spin-offs. Lets see who gets shoehorned into these movies.
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The only thing i didn't like about Hulk VS was Thor getting his ass handed to him, i hate how everyone including most comic writers these days think Hulk could trounce Thor with hardly a problem, Thor should be able to beat Hulk more often than not.
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Haven't seen it theatrically, but in the wp Creed's scratching the glass with his nail. That coming from a creepy dude in black looking at me like he just let one off would have me jamming, but that might just be me.
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May 03, 2009 8:51:26 PM CDT
FOSTERS HOME FOR IMAGINARY FRIENDS
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
wheres the talkback for the final episode!!!??? yes im serious! genius animated show gets no love...
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... listen to what the fans and critics have said, set it in Japan and make it awesome. All will be forgiven.
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lets talk about that instead of this shitfest known as wolverine.
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It doesn't get any better after Wolverine. Jackman isnt going to wake up one morning and suddenly realize how to play the character or make a cohesive plot after producing two unwatchable pieces of shit in a row. The best thing that could possibly happen would be to reboot the franchise anew under a new director, producing team, and actors.
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Ive been coming here for about 10 years to geek shit... but i think harry has really jumped the shark with this. THE MOVIE WAS ACTUALLY ALRIGHT! god... all of the reviewers on this site lo0ve to hear themselves talk i think...
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May 03, 2009 9:33:41 PM CDT
knowles blew everything out of proportion with this review!
by the_one_man_gang
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Because they couldnt have given you a worse Wolverine film. If all you needed to love the movie is characters with the correct names and horribly shot action then I guess there is no way the film could have failed you. That has more to do with your own bad taste than Harrys rightful calling out of garbage.
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May 03, 2009 9:36:01 PM CDT
Well IndustryKiller, I disagree that Jackman doesn't know how
by d.vader
... "to play the character," simply because he IS playing the same character as he's been set up in previous films. Its not his fault if the onscreen version of Wolverine never approaches the Eastwood-esque man with no name in this film if a. the director never directed him that way and b. the character wasn't set up as such in previous films. That said, a better director *could* take the character in such a direction for a sequel set in Japan.
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Horrible movie. I mean I tried to ignore all the failures character wise because I thought if I looked at it from a comic book fan stand point I'd really hate it. But as a movie this movie just fails. It sets up Wolvie vs. Creed ALL MOVIE then writes it off randomly at the end and has them fight together against the worst VILLAIN I've seen from the movies in a long time. I mean how lazy they took a known comic book character and then thought "How about we just give him all the cool powers? Then have him killed easily at the end!" I mean seriously these people can't make movies. I know this shitfest made made a lot of money but people are stupid watch this fail next weekend. Because even idiots say trick me once shame on you trick me twice shame on me. Seriously if you suggest this movie to your friends its like you knowingly giving the swine flu to your friends. Fact.
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the unwashed zombie masses rule the theatre!
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The kid was in school, did he have reason to expect a man would jump through the window and abduct him with everyone watching and they stand idly by? If you were at work tomorrow and you saw a guy looking through the window at you you would say "Hey everyone there's a weird guy looking in the window." You would absolutely not just start running for your life unless he flashed a gun. And dont even try to invent shit about people chasing Cyclops as a child so he intuitively knows.
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2009 Wolverine claws, especially in the showcase scene of the bathroom of the farmhouse? Rhetorical question. Let's Venn diagram the people who enjoyed Daredevil and the people who enjoyed Wolverine. Notice how it looks like one big circle.
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To an extent. And I dont hate Hugh Jackman, the man is fantastic in The Fountain. But as these films have gone on he's let the character slip more and more into Wolverine lite, and n even more egregious sin, let him become more homogenized and less defined as a character until he's just blank slate tough leading man guy. If you are playing a comic book character Im assuming that as an actor you would do some research and read AT THE VERY LEAST that characters defining stories. It shouldnt take that much direction. Especially when his emoting is looking at the sky and wincing, it's painful to watch no matter what character he's playing. Moreover Jackman produced both X3 and Wolverine, so he's has a say in how it turns out. He's every bit as much to blame as Rothman or Hood. I dont think he sees the character as anything other than an ill defined archetype cartoon, because he certainly hasnt played anything but since about halfway through the first film.
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First of all, who cares about what the percentage is at Rotten Tomato's? And as mush as I like this site, who really cares about what is said here? This is all for entertainment and we all take ourselves a little too seriously sometimes. OK, most of the time. Is Wolverine the best movie ever made? Nope. Is it the best comic book movie ever made? No sir. What it is though is entertaining. The leads are all fantastic and the movie runs at a great clip. I have been reading X-Men comics for over 25 years and there is nothing in this movie that is so out of place that it made me lose faith in humanity. There are a lot of great scenes in this movie and they make up for a lot of the crap. Harry said he wasn't really interested in the Wolverine origin story but there was nowhere else for this movie to go. They had just spent the better part of three films trying to make everyone wonder why Wolvie has metal blades and why he can't remember his past. I thought those questions were answered nicely and a little better than they were in the half-assed Origins comic on which this is partly based. Personally I think Ryan Reynolds is a very good Deadpool and Taylor Kitsch was charismatic as Gambit. They would both do well with larger character arcs. Liev Schrieber was awesome as Sabretooth and Jackman was his normal terrific Wolverine. Do I like this version of Emma Frost? No, but it sucked in the comic too. They didn't make it up for the movie. If you count this as the 4th in the X-Men franchise then I would rank it second behind X-2. All in all, it was fun. Why does it have to be more than that?
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There's a scene just before Logan realizes Kayla's in trouble where he's cutting down a tree with a chainsaw. They cut from Logan to a low-angle shot of the top of a tree as it starts falling down- only it looks more like a photoshopped flash animation where they took the image of the tree and just "moved" it down within the frame to give it the illusion of falling...
... Then when they cut to a level shot on the ground of the tree falling, its a completely different tree, different shape at the top, maybe a completely different species. That took me out. -
May 03, 2009 9:50:00 PM CDT
isnt it funny how the worst things in trailers turn out best?
by bmacsmith
People were howling about how much Liev Schreiber sucked as Sabretooth, but i havent heard anyone say he sucked after seeing it. I remember how the Hulk's CG effects were ridiculed in the previews, but it turned out to be the only reason to see that movie.
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And not devise any sort of character whatsoever from all that reading. Amazing and pathetic. I mean seriously Icemonkey what would Gambit have had to have been to disappoint you? The man had zero character or place int eh storya nd the actor playing him mumbled in a sort of ridiculous south africa by way of mississipi accent while slipping back and forth into his regular voice. Kitsch was a joke. If in 25 years of comic reading all Gambit is to you is a guy who throws cards then maybe something more obvious and shallow, like Twilight is a better match for you than comic books.
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That rang true, and that's the lumberjack scene where Stryker and Agent Zero show up to warn him of someone killing former team members. Logan is just a righteous asshole in that scene- especially to Agent Zero- implying that he is Stryker's lapdog, going so far as to order Zero back to the car. "Yeah, get in the car boy," doing the "Kkk, kkk" side-mouth clicking sound you do to make dogs obey your command. That got a good (earned) laugh from the audience.
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It was obvious they were trying hard to suppress the actress's huge boobs with some sort of weird, tight, strapless bra. Which is a TOTAL shame. She was overlapping from the top in a few shots.
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Sabertooth is a feral anamilistic brute, not the petulant, wry, jockish douche bag Schreiber plays him as. He's supposed to be frightning, not an annoying asshole. He was so hammy I could swear he's making fun of the role as he's playing it. Maybe I can't blame him entirely considering the script has him speaking ENTIRELY in moustache twirling villain cliches.
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a site that ries to be both a insider/exclusive site and a review site needs to be honest and up front about what priviledges they were given (including free screenings) before reviews. No sane person can read the vast number of positive reviews of movies pushed on this site from Harry and not wonder what is going on. the age of innocence is over. time to be professional.
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you might be right, but a lot of people say he's one of the few good things in it. i dont know. probably see it some time this week. i wasnt about to watch it this weekend.
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I'm not a big Sabretooth aficionado (and this isn't exactly an adaptation of the comics, just an extension of the films' characters), but what I *do* know of him from the comics I've read and the cartoons I watched, I thought he did great. He was a killer who was good at his job and relished it when doing it.
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"Fun" is a vague ad hominem argument. It has no tangible measurements. I have fun at a comic book movie when the action is well shot, the script isn't completely insulting to my intelligence at every turn, the actors are taking the material seriously, and the characters are given room to breath and are evocative of the best traits that have been defined by their rich history in the comics. When a film is NAMED AFTER A 30 YEAR OLD CHARACTER I dont think that a huge fucking mountian to climb. If fun to you is watching one massive plot hole after another, silly sci fi channel action directing, and characters that have virtually nothing in common with the original counterparts then I guess I could see how you had "fun" watching Wolverine. Other than that fun is just another silly unquantifiable apologist excuse.
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Oh my gosh--After the Deadpool scene, I saw an ending where the rivets and nails start hovering--
Now that I have your attention, WOLVERINE WAS A FUCKING PIECE OF GARBAGE.
I saw the workprint. FOR FREE. And I feel RIPPED OFF.
What a focus-group-written, non-canonical piece of monkey turd. Casting was about the only decent part of this waste of brain cells. The only reason Fox keeps squirtin' out X-Men, Fantastic Four (Oh yeah--they're rebooting this too), and Spider Man every few years, is because if they don't the IP rights revert back to Marvel. WHO WOULD PROMPTLY DISAVOW ANY PRIOR MOVIES AND PROPERLY REBOOT THE FRANCHISE. Iron Man style. "Good", I mean.
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you go in think this movie was made just for you- and just for hardcore fans. dont get me wrong- this was not a great interpretation by any means... fox really could have done so much better. buuuut i went there with such low expectations after reading these reviews on this site... that i actually enjoyed it more than i thought i would. deadpool, gambit- both done pretty well. are they comic book versions? yes and no. they stay true to the spirit of the characters. sabertooth? i thought he was done well. hugh as wolverine? good- although not enough berserker rage... maybe in japan in the next movie?
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Schreiber was acting like he was doing the voice of a 1970's cartoon. Yeah he killed people and smiled while doing it but that doesnt mean Schreibers acting or the writing supported any sense of individuality int he character. Literally all he does "acting wise" is smirk and read the lines in a smug tone. You could replace that character with Agent Zero and not change a word of dialogue that isnt specifically about them being brothers and you would literally have the same exact film on your hands. Or you could put Colin Farrel from Daredevil or Wes Bantley from Ghost Rider or SPider Man 3 Venom. It was just a bunch of hammy actors acting "COMIC BOOK!!!!" villainous with no purpose or sense of character.
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Because thats what he is. Its not that he enjoys killing, he enjoys inflicting hurt. Schreiber has no such sense of danger or edge. Like I said he could be replaced with any number of hammy moustache twirling comic book performances.
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I see what you're saying, but in the wp Creed is scratching the glass with his fingernail, probably looking like Paul Giamatti in Shoot Em Up when he was alone with that girl's corpse. You want to stand there and just comment to anyone standing around, that's cool. Me myself, I'm outro la vista baby; I don't want to end up in a hole in the ground with some jackhole lowering a bucket to me saying "IT PUTS ON THE F*&^${ LOTION!"
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May 03, 2009 10:23:31 PM CDT
Well, that's the problem, you're comparing it to the comic...
by d.vader
And I don't wanna be that guy who says "But this is an ADAPTATION!! Its not the same!" when you fault the film for not being like the comic (and this coming from you, who loves the Dark Knight when the Joker and Two-Face aren't like their comic counterparts). BUT, I can not blame you. Not one bit. Because I fucking hate a lot of the Harry Potter films (especially the last one) for the disrespect they show to the source material (when I *know* they could make it work and 1. be a better film and 2. be a better adaptation at the same time).
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I think the purpose of casting Shreiber was just so that an actor could play the role and not make it a caricature. You may disagree with how he portrayed the role because it differed from the comic, and that is a fair critique. But I think it disregards the fact that translating from one medium to another is rarely a literal one. And when directors remain slavish to the source material ala Watchmen or the first Harry Potter movie, it winds up being very flat.
Sabretooth should be an insane killer, and I agree that you did not get that to the degree he should have been, but turning him into the comic version would have been a mistake as well because while that works in the forum of comics, movies have to appeal to a broader audience that wants a more 'realistic' been. Yes ironic when considering it is a comic book adaptation, but still. Now all that being said, the scripting and plotting were awful. I thought Jackman and Shreiber did a good job with what they were given, but they had little to work with. -
Unfinished special effects (Proff. X should never look like a alien ;), Convoluted & dull script, poorly shot action scenes, & major stupid moments - amnesia from bullets / fake death fooling wolverine? Hope trek is better - it has to be = please!
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Gambit has never been deep, thought provoking character. At best he is one dimensional even when written well. And Sabretooth started out as "B" level Powerman and Iron Fist villain with nothing to do with Wolverine at all. Hell, the Black Cat once kicked his ass in a Spider-Man story. The whole "feral" thing didn't happen until years later when X-Men editorial decided they needed to flesh out Wolverine's back story. And when I go see a movie about a guy that has make believe metal claws the first thing I want is "fun". No one is saying that this couldn't have been made better. But every comic book movie has plot holes. Even the best of the best. The vast majority of what happens on the page and in the heads of the people who read these stories cannot be adequately reproduced on the screen. And let's face it; these are comics, not Proust. The whole purpose of the medium is to help you suspend your disbelief and imagine being in a world where people can crawl up walls and shoot optic blasts from their eyes. If I have to plop down $8.00 to see a movie then I damn well better be entertained. And Wolverine entertained me which is all I ask of a movie in this genre. If I wanted to see deep, thought provoking drama I would not start looking at films where the main characters make stuff move with minds and wear spandex costumes. Just sayin'.
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schreiber did an ok job with what he was given but no he really wasn't the Sabretooth of the comics, and whats up with all the Toad like leaping? cheesy as hell, and ok i will forgive the hair colour being off, but did he have to have the same facial hair as wolverine also? they could have done more with his look. and last but not least, In the movie or in the comics i HATE Gambit, he is a horrible character in practice and especially design, YUCK!
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I'm not saying you don't both have points about Schreiber/the character, but that's like worrying about the flea on an angry werewolf. Sure the werewolf would be better off without it, but it's a fucking horrifying freak of an animal with razor sharp plot holes the size of three mile island and some of the laziest writing Hollywood has to offe...wait, what was I analogizing?
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Gambit's appeal has never been his "depth." There's a long history of "one dimensional" characters in every medium who are still interesting and compelling because they reside in the extreme of that one dimension. And you seem to be mistaken that everyone hates this movie because it isn't "deep, thought provoking drama." The genre of film has no bearing on the quality of writing, acting, and directing that went into the movie. You see, while you enjoyed this movie most people aren't as easily amused. Bad CGI which just goes for "cool" factor isn't enough to entertain us. I like the TBer who brought up the idea of an Elektra and Wolverine fan venn diagram, and how it would just be one big circle. Some people are entertained by anything, while others have standards and thresholds of minimum quality which Wolverine fails to meet. It has nothing to do with it being a poorly adapted comic/extension of previous movies. That's just insult to injury. The problem most people have with it is that it is a very poorly conceived, and more poorly made film.
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really? so fucking what? doesnt mean that you DIDNT see the workprint, which we ALL know u did. there is no way u wouldnt, you love movies too much. you are also lame enough to go buy a ticket, scan it and show it to us, thinking that will somehow vindicate you. you blubbering fuck. go clutch your heart and die.
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I was going to bring it up, D.Vader already did, but what was going on with Emma's Frostitties?I just re-watched (not the workprint) it and found it more enjoyable by not having any sense of expecting anything good. I just tried my darndest to come up with why things where happening.The boobs I can't figure out, it was like stuffing five pounds of tits into a four pound tit carrier.Another thing was the first scene with Gambit, after James elbows him in the face, shouldn't he be unconscious or at least very dazed? And, why did he run to the top of the buildings only to drop down a break up a hugging session between two brothers... and how is he climbing up the walls?
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It is truly shocking just how BAD Wolverine is. A movie made by all the wrong people for all the wrong reasons. Fox is the new Troma, minus the credibility. Felt sorry for Liev Schreiber, the only one who brought anything to the table. The rest was opportunistic dreck. Even Patrick Stewart's two seconds on screen looked apologetic. Two thumbs down for Hugh Jackman's vanity project.
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Live's performance was the last thing that made cringe during this film. He did allot better then most of expected.
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if you can hate on this movie , yet, jizz into the gutters over a robert rodrigues movie. you sir, are an asshole. i understand tongue in cheek, but, shitty action .... fuck!!! enjoy. i'm trying to remmember which x movie won an oscar?
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I think the only has been Midnight Cowboy.
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I'm not saying anything against you, but I find it very funny to imagine what you typed as said by a drunk Antonio Bendherass.
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They didn't even fuck deadpool up that much, having his mouth sown shut because he runs his mouth too much, having the ability to teleport, and having wolverines regenerative powers spliced into him during the weapon x project are all canon. Sure, he would have looked better in a mask at the end, and putting the claws in him and eye lasers sort of pigeonholes were he should go as a lead character in his own right, but the action in the end fight and the rest of the movie was pretty tits most of the time. The gayest shit in the movie is wolverine yelling at the sky three times, some poorly cgi'd sparky claws, and the gotcha plot lines that erase all the pathos, but make wolvie untrusting instead of rage filled. Movie was decent and comparable to the first 3 X-men, and better in parts, people went a little overboard jumping on the hate-wagon on this one.
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Sabertooth is not the biggest problem with this film, by a long shot. If everything else was properly in place I could deal with Schreibers hammy silly Sabertooth, but its certainly part of the disease and since we are getting into minutae I might as well bring it up and see how people justify their way out of it. Predictably it turns out.
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It's not about a direct, literal, individual story translation from comic to screen and I never suggested that. But there is a reason these characters are popular and have endured for DECADES to become American myth and woe be to the imbecile who says that it can't or shouldn't be translated properly. What the Dark Knight did brilliantly with the Joker, even though slightly aesthetically different, is break down who that character is at it's core, and rather than give him some bullshit plot-of-the-week, took his motivation from the character itself and what he wants ultimately. The result was a Joker that perfectly encapsulates all the definitive qualities of the character AND his relationship to the hero and what makes them perfect nemesis. To say you cannot do that with every great villain is total bullshit. And you can do that especially with Wolverine and Sabertooth without devolving into Adam West Batman style cliches. As for making it about the masses, you are telling me this Sabertooth is somehow BETTER for a mainstream audience than one more encapsulating of the comics nuances? Horseshit. Bland two dimensional characters are NEVER better than fully realized ones. Moreover you have to spell everything out for the audience in trite cliches when you can't do it organically through the character. now I'm sure many of the simpler among you are confused by all this, but I assure you it's not Shakespeare I'm asking for. All this can be achieved very simply without the film going for Oscar gold. The problem here is many of you think of the comic medium, and apparently film along with it, as the basest of thrills. I'm here to tell you it can be both artistic and incredibly fun and both genre endure because they can do that. It's quality that keeps these artistic mediums from becoming novelty and allowing a fickle audience from getting bored, not cheaply directed action.
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Is because they have no immediate deep childhood connection to Elektra like the do with Wolverine and people aren't self aware enough to disassociate themself with that inate love for the character. I use to term "love" loosely considering when you love something seeing it bastardized typically isn't your idea of a good time. But in terms of quality there is ZERO difference between this and Elektra.
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... and he's writ a 20 page review of it, too!! I like SUPERMAN RETURNS, all it need was a super villain. http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/05/03/quentin-tarantino-calls-inglourious-basterds-a-masterpiece-writing-epic-review-of-superman-returns/
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May 04, 2009 2:56:11 AM CDT
Coming up next - Rothman's take on the 'Japan' story line
by biggusdickus
Out goes the stealthy entrance to Shingen's fortress - in comes 'Black Rain'-style motorcycle chase through Tokyo at night.Out goes Viper and Silver Samurai - in come multiple robot 'shogun warrior' things.Out goes Yukio - in comes cute comedy sidekick (Hey! Let's make it a girl. We can call her 'Jubilee'!)Out go The Hand - in comes a bunch of expendable hired Japanese mutants; bit like Morlocks but with more toy-focussed powers.Finally, throw the fanboys a bone or two to keep them happy. How about 'Sunfire' in a cameo role and to finish, a huge explosion with the 'Phoenix' effect followed by a last frame of Famke Janssen in a black basque a la Black Queen, which neatly sets up the Hellfire Club for the final arc of the trilogy.I can't wait. Or maybe I can.
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...to know I was correct in thinking that Superman Returns sucked. Because no one has as bad as taste in films as Quentin Tarantino.
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NiteOwl-Silk Spectre sex scene in Archie. Malin Ackerman + wearing nothing but leather boots = fap master 5000.
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I had zero intention of going to see WOLVERINE but all this talk of Emma Frost's tits has now got me interested.
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In watchmen looked like an itty bitty tity committe version of Lucy Lawless. Personally, would've loved to see Silk Specte I Carla Gugino or Silhouette doin the deed rather than her.
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That's just domestic.
It opened globally so will undoubtedly have made it's budget back by now already.
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remake the whole x-men franchise and let Tim Burton do it this time around. haha dont kill me i was merely kidding
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ones that caught my eye were the ones about sabretooth and the fact that he should be an insane serial killer. just one prob. when bush and cheney were running american into the ground.family groups and ultra conservative lobby groups demanded that bush and company clean up tv and films. they shouted that there was too much violence , sex and profanity on the tv and films. Bush and his people drew up a bill and it was faught tooth and nail by the movie industry who saw the family films act as nothing more than govt meddling in their business. under the act all films with profanity nudity, sex, violence, would have to edited to be suitable for a family audience. so there is no way that no way that Sabretooth could have become an insane serial killer. the young logan kills his real father by accident, there is no blood. you see wounds but there is no blood. and all deaths are shot/edited in such away that the movie looks clean. When stryker kills the general. again you dont see any blood. George bush and the family lobby groups forced hollywood over a barrell. Dont be suprised if Inglorious basterds gets hacked beyond recognition in the editing booth. and it explains why It is going to get a very limited release. that has a Hard R rating.
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that was distasteful and was done just for show. what was the point? the whole movie seemed empty and clueless.
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watchmen had all kinds of blood and it was terrible. some blood is okay
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always has been and yet people still give him credit
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Everything you have said about this film is absolutely right. Those bits between zero/X were great. I would like proof that they were in the original screen play Benioff and Woods delivered.Liev Schreiber fucking nailed Sabretooth. As mad as a fucking badger and twice as dangerous. He sold the relationship with Logan and looked a natural in action.It is such a shame that all this talent and all their efforts were strangled at birth by a cynical and repressive studio system that no longer serves the artists and professionals who make the films or the paying audience that want to see them.Fuck Fox and fuck Rupert Murdoch. Fuck them up their stupid arses. First against the wall in my book..
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i wouldve turned this into a great movie, no really.
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that people get so personal about whether or not a movie is good. Isn't "art" supposed to be in the eye of the beholder? Magnum Opus, why do I get the feeling that you believe anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot? At least IndustryKiller can carry on a lively debate without resorting to insults. Again, the movie isn't even close to being perfect but I had fun. I would rather be easily amused than go through life and be disappointed by everything.
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Thoroughly enjoyed it. It's not The Godfather nor is it trying to be. On a par with X Men 2 in my opinion. The word on the street from people I've spoken to is that they agree this is a 'great film. Bear in mind these people aren't the comic book readers that the majority of the users of this site are. I've seen the cartoons and the films are better. The same goes for Transformers. To me comics are for kiddies not grown men with wives. Each to their own I guess but I'm not gonna get nasty like some of the trolls on this site are.
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..but before DVD's and behind the scenes extras how many of us really appreciated what the job involved? I was disappointed to find they don't just sit there in a chair all day shouting 'action'. They are effectivly running a small company. They are the head honcho with a budget, different departments and a workforce of hundreds of people. Then they have these bean counters in suits from the studio on there arse every day threatening to pull the whole lot out from under them because they are not towing the studios 'strategy'.Fuck that!
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'Again, the movie isn't even close to being perfect but I had fun. I would rather be easily amused than go through life and be disappointed by everything. '
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the source material. weapon x and origins aint shit compared to the dartk phoenix saga. sure, wolverine could have been better- skip blob, make deadpool and gambit better realized characters, but you know what? those are 1 note characters anyway. it was pretty fun I thought and not nearly as bad as what is being said about it. is it iron man good? no. is it catwoman bad? HELL NO. all in all it is a B-/C+
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as i was put off by its nearly 3 hr running time.
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Not suggesting that the screen adaptation of sabretooth - either Mane's or Shreibers, is the definitve version, because they aint. I said the casting of a real actor in the role gave hope to the character being more than a caricature ala Heath Ledger being cast as Joker. It takes a combination of talented actor and good scripting to make an iconic screen villain. Ledger did not portray the classic comic adaptation, but he took major elements of it and fused it with his own manic interpretation - and had the benefit of a well written and defined character. Nicolson was in decline when he did the joker, and certainly the script was more of a joke than anything else, but he could not bring the menace Ledger did, nor did he try. He did attempt to shift it out of the pure comics style telling, with mixed results. The casting of Shreiber was an attempt to have a talented actor bring something more than hulking psycho-path to the role. Did he succeed? Well that is up for debate. I think he was let down more by the script than anything else. But I will also say that he did not capitalize of the moments he was presented with. I have a great deal of respect for the comics, I not only grew up loving them but collected long into adulthood. Some characters and tropes simply can not be literally translated from one medium to another without losing the context and thus the motivation for the action. Movies should be about the directors vision, even when adapting source material. The movies that fail - like Watchmen, and the first Harry Potter, rely too much on the source and not enough on the talent of the director. They are trying too hard to please the fan base. Wolverine was not a good movie - so it is a moot point to debate what they did right or wrong. I will say I understood what they attempted to do, but a bad movie regardless the ambition is sill a bad movie.
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...eighty-million opening weekend. Know what that means? At least a decade's worth of horrible X-Men spin-offs. Thanks a lot you worthless pieces of shit who went to see this movie. Fuck you, you fucking weak dipshit motherfuckers who make excuses for this movie with the tired excuses of "it wasn't THAT bad"... or, "Hey, its a comic book movie, what did you expect?"... or the ever classic, "When I go to movies, I want to have fun!"... Thanks a lot for what you've done to X-Men. I hope you cum blood tonight while jerking off imagining yourselves as Hugh Jackman. (Oh, and before you bitch about how this is a MOVIE and doesn't have anything to do with the comics, go read one of the fucking pieces of shit they call an "X-Men comic" today and see how the spineless twats at Marvel have changed EVERYTHING according to the movies.)
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D. Vader, thanks for making my day. Let us pray to Bale that this makes it into the next inevitable Wolverine movie.
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You are a piece of unflushed maggot-ridden, baboon shit. People go to movies to be entertained. To escape. And if people avoided movies because they got a bad review, then they would simply be mindless sheep who follow the loudest voice. You go and see a movie to make you own damn decision, not because some retard POS says go or don't go. You are that fuckswizzle who slammed the Marines in a TB a few months ago, so I have zero respect for anything you have to say. And yeah. I'm a former Marine.
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I think we all can now stop taking anything that obese slop seriously. This sight as been nothing more then a billboard for whatever studio is greasing Harry's fat smell asshole. I am not saying this movie was great but it's far from being awful, i prefer this to any three off those awful fucking starwars that harry loved so much. This is a man who will not give a negative review to his butt buddies films ( Jackson, Rodrigues, or Del Toro) King kong remake anyone? quite possibly the biggest waste of many and most unnecessary film ever made.
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Comment of the TB
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Go look at porn, masturbate and then have an ice cold beer
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to people like top hat this shit is important. I get that.. I used to read comics and know the allusions to some of the shit in the movies. the bottom line is , yeah they deviate. I was still entertained by wolverine, which is why I went. Now X 2 was beyond entertaining, it was great. but obviously gavin hood is no singer. x 3 was just a mess...but still better than say , punisher or fantastic 4.
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Really guys, the movie was not bad at all. There was problems but it was a solid film.
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You guys don't feel that having a huge, obnoxious, pop-down banner ad for a movie you've all panned is maybe a little on the unethical side?
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May 04, 2009 9:44:14 AM CDT
The problems for me were Blob and Cyclops opti um I mean heat vi
by the founder
I thought it was stupid to now say that Blob is fat because of his overeating?? I was like WTF? Also when did Cyclops optic blasts become hot? His optic blasts arent heat vision like superman, they are force blasts. I don't know what FOX was doing or thinking. I guess they figured it'll be cool to show the red hot metal sizzling in the school when Scott blasted the walls and roof and then to show Logan's claws red hot after Deadpool tries to fry him. Some could say i'm being petty, but I just wish FOX would for once follow continuity and get the character and their powers right.
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It's by accident a good thing, shows a seperation between advertising and editorial
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I didn't hate this movie. I felt that it was solid to good for what I wanted to see up to the goofy to sad moment of Wolvie discovering his shiny new claws and awkwardly cutting up the bathroom. The CGI on the claws was so sad that it jolted me from what was, up to then, an enjoyable movie. Not saying this was TDK or Watchmen in quality storytelling, just that it was decent and fun.
My biggest issue came with the cliched creation of the combo mutant using Wade Wilson. As a Deadpool fan, I loathed what they did to him. Ryan Reynolds was great in our only real look at the Merc with a Mouth. Wade always had a healing factor and never ever had other powers. He was a mercenary and came with the skills of being a superb to none better level one. That they turned him into some generic freak baddie is a disservice to a much better character on the page of comicdom.
Remy was okay, but not great. Blob looked to goofy to be taken seriously. I mean there is a way to make a guy look fat and not look like his is just moulded latex on a person.
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Any Fox execs reading out there? I've got an outline for Wolverine 2: The Sharpening!
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I also drove two hours to go see the Wrestler because it wasn't playing locally. This whole "If you see this film or like this film you're an idiot" spiel is fucking tired. I saw the film and it really wasn't a bad flick, though of course it could have been better. That said, it was much closer to X3 and Singer's X films than many of you want to believe, but that merely reinforces my belief that you snobbish assholes really are quite arbitrary and inconsistent with your criticisms. I can fully appreciate why some of you don't like the film, as it is very definitely flawed, but to call out other people who enjoy it is fucking weak.
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With the tagline "The Last Cut is always the deepest!" and have it shot back to back with Wolvie 2 like Pirates 2 and 3.
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Or just "Weapon X Begins". Inevitable series reboot/reimagining/remake.
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End to the trilogy. Someone come up with a name for the first one.
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(or, RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD!)
Picks up right after the teaser at the end of Wolvie. DP reattaches himself.
"Ahhh...I always loved some good head."
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Simply because it is mixed with movie goer's opinions and "mainstream" critics, who I have repeatedly said don't really know shit about movies, they are journalists who took a few film courses, so that means their opinions are better, more relavent? Bullshit, I have listened and read reviews from many critics, and while sometimes they get it right, most of the time, they don't. The only opinion that really matters is our own. I know a guy who used to base his movie choices soley on what the critical response was, and once I told him to take his head out of his ass and see the movies that interest him instead of relying on what OTHER people think of them, he began to see movies that he wound up really enjoying despite what the supposed "pros" said about them. That being said, the fan reaction to Wolverine has been mixed, from really good to worse than X3, so as I stated earlier, I am on the fence, still don't know if I wanna see it, at least not now, I already have my tix for Star Trek on Friday, that's what I am looking forward to.
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After watching Bryan Singer's supurb first two X-Men movies, as well as Ratner's flawed but entertaining third film, I was really looking forward to the forth, prequel entry X-Men Origins:Wolverine. Despite the negative buzz, with critics suggesting it was only slightly better than X3, I really wanted to like it.
Alas, Wolverine is suckage at maximum. Why? Well, for a start, for a movie about the most popular of the X-men characters, they forgot to include the Logan we've all grown to love in the movies. Even with returning star, Hugh Jackman, the introvert, cynical Wolverine who quips sarcastically is AWOL. In his place is an always angry, frowning and serious bloke who talks with a lower voice than normal, as if doing a 'Christian Bale Batman' growl was the only way to progress the character.
On the story front, the back bone is the development of Stryker's Weapon program. This ambles along with no real sense of danger or feeling of awe, crucial for a fantasy movie. On the personal side, it focuses on Wolverine's relationship with his bloodthirsty brother Victor, and his tragic romance with school teacher (and fellow mutant) Kayla. Unfortunately, neither relationship is fleshed out or provided with adequete dialogue to sufficiently make us give a shit about anyone involved. We never get a scene that properly explains what these people mean to Logan, so when the bad stuff goes down (Victor killing innocents/Kayla's murder) we don't understand, and so, we don't get emotionally involved. It'a basic Rambo plot from the eighties; traumatised-with-nightmares Nam vet turns his back on his past until it brutally catches up with him. He's then manipulated into action, leaving him tragically alone in the end. Boo hoo.
Elements of the plot are needless and dull, such as the Weapon X experiment and the details of Stryker's son; all seen in the vastly superior X2. The inclusion of Scott Summers is a gimmick (its just as well he wasn't given his own origin movie...discovered doing detention isn't classic origin material). Since his inclusion only serves to service the Weapon X plot, the writers perhaps should have used Kayla's kidnapped sister more, to deepen both characters and streamline the messy plot. Other mutants (Bolt / Zero) are only included to up the coolness factor. Wolverine journeys from one mutant ex-colleague (Blob, Wriath, Gambit) to the next, only to pad out his quest and prolong our agony (sorry, suspense) as to the mystery of Stryker's agenda.
Theres's plenty that defies logic:-
1/ Logan kills his father. Yeah? And? What affect does this have on the tyke?
2/ Logan and Victor spend a century fighting in American wars. Why would Canadians do this? What motivates them to fight? Why don't they open a Sandwich bar in Vancover instead?
3/ Why do the nice old people give Logan their son's jacket? He's a stranger who broke their goddamn sink!
4/ Why does Gambit fight Wolverine in the alley? He attacks Logan in the bar 'cause he thinks he's with Victor. But when Logan's obviously about to slay Sabretooth, Gambit interupts by attacking again! Duh!
5/ If Wolverine is Weapon X, then why is Deadpool called Weapon Eleven, not Weapon XI ?
6/ How does Wolverine criss-cross his claws in such a way to entirely deflect Deadpool's laser eyes?
7/ If Cyclops' laser eyes have to be contained by sunglasses, why don't Deadpools?
8/ Why do most mutants jump like crickets? Deadpool, Zero, Gambit, Sabretooth... whatever your ability, do you always get springy legs as a mutant?
The cast are varied. Jackman takes three steps back in his portrayal of the hero. Huston brings gravitas to Stryker in an extremely underwritten role. Lynn Collins is cute as Kayla. The guy playing Gambit might be eye totty for the girlies, but he's a plank with a shitty southern accent. Only Liev Schrieber stands out as Victor bringing a playful wicked spitefulness to procedings. The only one better is Ryan Reynolds in a cameo as Wade, exibiting deadpan wit and coolness in the role. However the producers even mess that up by making him mute in the climax, perhaps worried Reynolds might upstage their star.
The effects are 95% substandard with just a few digital matt paintings coming up to scratch. Most effects shots lack authenticity, appearing too CG. A few are staggingly poor such as Logan's claws in the bathroom (wobbly CG where a prosthtic would have sufficed), terrible rear projection (that puts 60's Bond movies to shame), and the oh-so plastic face of a de-aged Patrick Stewart (superior in 2006's Last Stand).
With the story not up to much, at least there's the action to sustain it. Alas, that's underwhelming too. Victor and Logan's scrap in the lumberyard is spiritless and the escape from Alkalie Lake eye-blinkingly brief. The central setpiece of Logan vs Helicopter is ruined by unnecessarily quick editing, abysmally obvious effects and too many out of place slow-mo shots that would make The A-Team proud.
The script is hollow with no subtext. The layered meaning of prejudice in society is non existent, replaced with a dumbness reserved for early 90's low-budget action movies. Lines like "Those were good people back there. Innocent people" and " I am so cold"(as they die) are cliched and laughable. If the movie had a vein of fun or adventure running through it's body, it might have gotten away with it.
So my advice is to avoid this dumb, lumbering mistake. Once again Tom Rothman and his 20th Century Fox's quest, for populist, generic film-making, has backfired resulting in a film fit for neanderthals and halfwits. The best bit of the movie is the opening titles, which depicts Logan living through 120 years of America's past. However, Fox executives probably didn't think their audience was capable of following a non-contemporary story. Where in reality, that lack of capability lies with the hobbitcocks at Fox Plaza.
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Bad dialog, overstuffed plot, near-zero character development, subpar CGI, embarrassing comedy (If you laughed at Wolverine splitting the sink in half you're an idiot), no respect for the source material, serious logistical errors & a poor understanding of the laws of physics - all these things together do not equal a quality movie.
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A friend saw it and said it was great. Maybe he wasn't expecting more than a bit of mindless blubber. I guess if you go in wanting something less than amazing, you'll go away fulfilled in life.
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May 04, 2009 11:55:28 AM CDT
Can we PLEASE ease up on the Wolverine Frakking Promo!!!!
by captain_james_t_kirk
Ridiculous!
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That is why my late mother. never bought a single murdoch newspaper. into our house. she hated murdoch with a passion.
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Using IE6 at work without any kind of special ad blocker that I know of and I have not had any kind of obtrusive Wolverine promo trashing my fucking browser while on AICN.
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Blasphemy. I only plan on seeing movies with Christian Bale this summer (with the exception of the new PIXAR). It's really just a coincidence, as Salvation and Public Enemies are the only movies that look good.
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HA! i said the exact same thing yesterday, i knew i wasn't crazy! you would think since they all hate the movie on this site they would take it down, but i guess they don't have as much integrity as i first thought, money makes the world go round after all.
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...please explain to me how a bullet caused damage to Logan's brain but a 600-foot fall off a cooling tower onto a concrete platform had no ill effects? Will you please explain why Kayla Silverfox was inexplicably present at the Weapon XI surgery? Where did Scott Summers get ruby-quartz glasses, or is his ability in the X-movie world nullified by the color red? How would Weapon XI bend his elbows when his blades were sheathed in his arms? Why would Stryker waste so much adamantium on a person he knew he couldn't control? On that note, why was wolverine not restrained in the tank in the first place? Why did Logan's father deserve to be killed as Sabretooth claimed? Why was Gambit running on rooftops from a block away when he had been knocked down right behind Wolverine only a moment past? How could Wolverine deflect the optic balst with his claws without losing an inch of ground when that ability was powerful enough to punch a hole through a mountain (as was noted in the first X-Men)? Did Weapon XI get the adamantium con-coating that Wolverine received, and if so how did his head get lopped off? If not, why again would Stryker have wasted it on Wolverine? How long was Wolverine even in the Weapon X program? What exactly was his specialty? I have so many questions...
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The only question of yours, magunga, that I can possibly answer is the one on how Wolverine could decapitate Weapon XI if he had an adamantium skeleton. My friend wisely pointed out the throaway line from the doctor about "the bonding process isn't complete yet". So I suppoooooooose its possible the adamantium wasn't strongly bonded to the bones just yet. I guess. I don't understand how the fuck adamantium bullets work. Do they penetrate adamantium?
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First off, I will openly admit that critics often get things wrong, even when their opinions are reassembled en mass. Film history is littered with films that were critical failures upon first release only to be hailed as genius many years later.
However, I would also put the opinion of a critic over that of the regular moviegoer any day. It would be nice to think that the populace could get things right that these tweed coat wearing intellectuals don't, but unfortunately that's just not the case.
A good critic (and there are many bad ones) generally know how narratives work and why. Because of this knowledge they can critically assess a film more objectively than the regular filmgoer. The only tool most filmgoers have to rely on are their gut instincts which are easily swayed by the enjoyment or confusion of those sitting next to them in the movie theater.
Critics aren't always right, but they get it right far more often than Joe filmgoer. I know it's not politically correct to say but it's true. -
I had several problems with the whole "adamantium bullet" plot contrivance. First, just because the bullet is made of the same substance does not mean that it'll pierce Wolverine's metal shell. You need real force behind it, and I'm nowhere near convinced that a revolver would have sufficient punch. Perhaps I would be more open to it if a sniper rifle had been aimed at Wolvie's head. Another thing: our skulls are rounded which would make the bullet far more likely to ricochet off his metal-plated dome. There's also still the question of how Stryker knew the bullets would cause memory loss.
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Personally, I am a comic book fan and I too had a hard time deciding whether or not to go see this one. I told people I was going to, but then changed my mind back a forth several times. Why? Mainly because I am tired of seeing comic book movies done poorly. It seems like you can always tell when a movie is going to suck or not, even before it comes out. There is usually a buzz surrounding the really good ones, studios are screening it, and allowing early reviews because they know they have a great film. Bad ones tend to fall under the radar right up until release and then we are all like, "Why haven't I heard anything about this yet?" Then after watching it we are like, "Oh, that's why." I know there is this assumption out there that since the film broke early, haters who haven't seen the film must have watched it first. To be honest, I almost did indulge, but when I heard that the special effects weren't finished, I couldn't do it. I am to much of a perfectionist to allow myself to watch something that is unfinished. I talked to some people who did see it and had basically decided not to go to the movies because the story sucked so bad. They told me, "It might be worth it for the special effects, but the story doesn't make a whole lot of sense." This also got me thinking about not seeing it, but my love of all things comic books got me to purchase a ticket. Was I dissappointed? Oh yeah, it hurts to see a movie handled like this when there is a such a potential for more. The reason why I am with Harry is because I feel like he gets it. Who cares whether or not he actually watched the working print because enough people have watched it that if you don't watch it, you still would have heard about it from someone else. I think he is tired of seeing crappy movie adaptations of characters that we have come to love and respect in certain ways, and see all that go to pieces on screen. Why did Harry love Twilight, Indy 4 and others? Because they captured the essence of the characters. There was no denying that you were watching Indiana Jones or that you were watching Edward and Bella. In Wolverine, there were times where it seemed they unsure about how to portray Logan in different situations. He was angry, but also a big softie, he was indestructable, but not completely, but oh wait, yes he is. I just think for those of us who love comic books, seeing the bad film representations are getting old, and you get to a point where you decide, you know what? Rental...
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Line should have been in the movies somewhere.
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Did they penetrate the skull? We didn't see them get pushed out like the bullet in X2-- are they still in his brain somewhere? Can adamantium pierce adamantium (I thought that was impossible)? Did the bullets just melt straight into the adamantium skull and become a part of him? Makes no sense.
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that Stryker will come out of prison a man on a mission of vengence. it drove him crazy, his quest to find stronger adamantium. it took him decades. He joined forces with magneto to track wolverine down.
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of all people they give that swine creature a hollywood role. why? coz she sucked so much cock that shes eligable now? fuck that, morally and intellectually this country went south to mexico.
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The photo of your tickets is particularly imaginative. It gives wonderful insight into your personality, how you feel you have to prove to your users you actually payed for your tickets. Bravo.
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May 04, 2009 2:32:52 PM CDT
Berserkr: AICN is good enough to take Fox's Money....
by captain_james_t_kirk
And yet waffles on the merit of the movie.... AICN is not different than EW or any other mainstream source. Notice how certain shows, regardless of merit, get Talkbacks.... While others do not even get a mention.... Someone is on the take here....
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...even though i haven't seen the movie and have no opinion of it.
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the high turnout for this movie? People going into comic shops and wanting to see some superhero stuff on screen. No matter what is was?
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I have to say the way you handled yourself (regarding this particular film) is very disappointing. Like everyone, you have aright to your opinion and AICN is your soapbox, I suppose that after all these years of visiting AICN I expect a little bit more from you. You did not "Stay Classy" and that is a real shame.
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They nuetered Wolverine to sell toys. they completely destroyed the coolness that is Deadpool. If he has fucking 3 foot Katana in his arms why can he bend his arms while they're sheathed? And they give him cyclops powers???? Talk about Gay!
So we see Quicksilver for a second locked in the Weapon X prison?.....really? you don't think that even for a split second Magneto would allow not only mutants to be abused that way, but his own son???? Jesus Christ! I hate when fucking producers allow directors who don't give a shit about the property they are using!!
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I think that is really funny, that erasing someone's memory is so easy in Wolvie's world. I'm not a doctor, but I'm not sure how you exactly erase someone's memory (unless of course they are made of metal and you shoot them in the head), but what was Stryker's original idea for erasing? Does he have a specific machine to do it, and if so, how often does he use it?
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I am ambivalent at best about Wolverine, but you mentioned the Kane movie; have you seen some of it? All of it? Please tell us more!
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pretty much summed it up. not great but watchable. I still say they should have puttied up those gaps you were talking about and turned the opening sequence into the whole movie. it was an origin movie after all.
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You post 'Tits Out For Attention Girl'... You've clearly lost any idea of standards, worth and quality...
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it's YOU who has lost any sense of taste or logic.
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to mention that after the movie, my girlfriend who knows nothing about Wolverine was scratching her head thinking "and then what?". I couldn't really answer her even though I love Ol Canucklehead since back in the day.
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Lots of posts about Liev but I always saw Clancey Brown as Sabertooth. His voice is perfect and the Kurgen gave a glimpse of what he would bruing to the role. Tyler Mane looked impressive but I would not call what they asked him o do in X1 acting.
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and they made him a mute. I demand a congressional trial- who thought up that idea? I want a name, a face, a phone number I can call in the night and harangue.
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It was not great. But this was some time ago, so maybe it's been changed.
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Hugh Jackman has ALWAYS sucked as WOLVERINE...ALWAYS. To play Wolverine you must be "Menacing"....MENACING...the actor must make the audience AFRAID OF HIM..in a "WHAT-IS-HE-GONNA-DO-NEXT" type of fear. The only male actors who could successfully pull of Wolverine are
1. Russel Crowe...Go back and review his work as LT. Bud White in L.A Confidential....you will agree with me (and maybe Romper Stomper)
2. Mel Gibson....Think of Lethal Weapon 1 and 2....(Mel plays lunatic angry well)
HUGH has ALWAYS SUCKED...Wolverine is a vicious out of control beast who goes "BESERK"...and when he goes "BESERK" even his enemies are afraid..because they kick the crap out of him and he just smiles like a lunatic and keeps coming.....Hugh Jackman is too much of a pansy metrosexual to play Wolverine. Man 4 Movies and I think I have glimpsed the real character Wolverine for like 3 minutes total on screen. Roger Ebert hates the Wolverine character for its lack of depth....and HE SHOULD. If they would write the character correctly....a man who is struggling to maintain his humanity when his beastly inhumane side overwhelms him and causes him to do terrfying things.....THAT IS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER. 4 FILMS NOW AND THEY HAVE FAILED TO CAPTURE THAT....IDIOTS....YOU TOO SINGER! -
... It's that this site has propped up a lot of worse crap, and some of it Harry and his writers must have known was crap. Yes, Wolverine is bad, but is it that much worse than the second two Matrix movies, Van Helsing, Alexander (Yep, Harry actually liked that one), and countless others that weren't released by a studio Harry and the others hate?
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Hence the reason why its the best part of the movie ;-)
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The people involved in making these things occasionally enrage me.
Could they have a little respect for the platform they've been given? For the money they've been given? There are plenty of other remarkably gifted storytellers out there who would love either of those opportunities.
Respect the space you take up and respect the people who could have been in your position by thinking about the quality of your work for 5 fucking minutes.
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Agreed, Carla Gugino would have been awesome. Guess I'll have to settle for her eye popping appearance in Sin City.
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the whole family enjoyed it, a bit less than Iron Man, but definitely more than the TDK-which everyone felt was too much of a downer and WAY overhyped, next up Star Trek its going to be a great summer -
...Your reviews before you post them. Sometimes it's hard to know what the hell you're talking about because of syntax errors.
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The new hulk and Ang Lee's hulk was leaps and bounds more boring than wolvarine? I agree 100%!!
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If they make another one I hope they make it take place after the third movie. Just to see the whole Sabretooth thing come to a close. I think they've got a better story there even if they neutered the whole revenge plot by not actually killing the girlfriend.
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i enjoyed the review, and i'm damned sure i won't enjoy the movie - if i ever see it.
also, to those who make fun of harry's weight - fuck you.
and i'm very skinny, before you start the "oh, he must be a fatass" shit.
you people annoy the shit out of me sometimes.
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He ate your mom.
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Best way to enjoy this flick. I wonder if anyone who says Wolvie had a good story saw the same movie as me. It contradicts itself and some moments of other X films. I was befuddled about the Prof X cameo. Like in X1 when the prof has no knowledge of Wolvie prior to the first movie. Someone please tell me how that makes sense? I thought Liev Schrieber and Ryan Reynolds were awesome.... Wish it had more than 1 action scene with an unwhored Deadpool. Wish Sabertooth had more to do then to get lost in all the contradiction in the plot. Gambit looked hilarious without any special effects. Watchmen rocked. End of story on that!!! Watchmen was way more audacious than most people seem to comprehend. But then again that might be the cross you bear for being audacious. Wolvie was sloppy. Seemed like the only way to enjoy that flick requires you have no attention span.
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How does someone become a sellout if that which you are selling out to doesn't make you any money? Shit sakes Harry went to see a fucking movie folks. Do I need to point any Metallica albums to some folks?
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May 04, 2009 7:58:51 PM CDT
MY REVIEW ON WOLVERINE: ITS AS BAD AS YOU THINK
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
from start to finish.
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Did I see a different movie from the one the people who vehemently disliked WOLVERINE did? I enjoyed myself thoroughly.
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May 04, 2009 8:01:25 PM CDT
how many george constanza moments can you...
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
fuckin pack into one movie?? so bad. so soooooo sooooooooooo bad. im done with the x-men series unless it goes to marvel. until then fuck x-men movies and fuck you rothman i hope you suffer from multiple strokes.
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May 04, 2009 8:04:35 PM CDT
so you can block powerful laser shots with claws huh?
by supercowbell4therequestformorecowbell
THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. WHEN ALIENS WITH LASRER BEAMS SHOOTING FROM THEIR EYES TAKE OVER EARTH I WILL MAKE SURE TO TELL OBAMA TO GET EVERYONE A PAIR OF CLAWS. I WONDER IF CLAWS CAN STOP THE SWINE FLU?
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People (myself included when I was a young'n) thought Batman Forever was so good when it came out. But it doesn't really stand the test of time, and it lead to Batman & Robin. Wolverine is gonna do reasonably big and when it spawns spinoffs that are undeniably sucky no matter if you like comics or not, people will then look at Wolverine 1 as the starting point of the garbage. As a big fan of Gambit, I just hope the Ragin' Cajun's eventual flick isn't the 21st century Batman & Robin.
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Not really a plothole. They didn't actually meet at the facility and the only one he was talking to was Cyclops. He was probably competely unaware of Wolverine. However the continuity is royally screwed when you realize Scott Summers is a very well-maintatined forty-something in the first film.
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I have to admit I was stoned and drunk when I watched it. But still made me wonder since it seemed a clumsy scene with the way things have already been established in the other films. Also the Weapon X facility was on an island and in X2 it's in the BC wilderness. Maybe I was to stoned..
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The Muramusa blade(or whatever it's called) that Wolverine uses to kill Sabertooth in the comic. Wolverine can come back from a single cell but this special blade cuts atoms and that will end his life? Let's face it, plenty of the comic book shit is just as lame as the content of this film. I think the biggest crime was turning Deadpool into the baddie at the end. Reynolds nailed him earlier in the film and having him in a stand alone Deadpool flick would have been very cool. Also, while they fucked with Wolvie's origins, so did the comics. They've made his origins a muddled mess since that whole bone claw fiasco.
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wouldn't cutting an atom cause an atomic chain reaction? And after the ensuing chain reaction wouldn't everyone in the scene be vaporized from the fallout? Or would everyone turn into the Incredible Hulk? I agree with TheLastCleric. I thought, for all the 10 mins. Deadpool was in the film, He was the best part. Until what they did to him at the end. Crazy thing is I was never into Deadpool that much before. I thought his smart mouth was entertaining and could have been a foil for some interesting dialog. But no!!! They had to sew it shut!
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May 04, 2009 10:37:59 PM CDT
Why does Harry go from talking in the 3rd to 1st person in the h
by glory_fades_immaxfischer
fuck know how to write?
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You're absolutely right - in the 40-odd years that the comic has been around there have been a few issues and several storylines that have outright sucked, but that's no excuse for bad film making. It takes much, much more time and many more rewrites to create a movie than it does a comic book. There isn't the same sort of pressure to push out a complete film in a matter of a month, and anyone under the sort of crazy time line most comic book writers are under are bound to come up with a bad idea or two. The fact is, the writers of "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" had a much greater time frame to come up with a cohesive, entertaining narrative which they failed to do. They also had literally decades of source material to comb through, much of which is absolutely brilliant. Everyone involved chose to make a movie that was more about bad special effects and big booms than an intelligent, thought-provoking story, and that makes many of us fans of comics and film a little angry.
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Wolverine Game Impacted the Movie
Raven says its product affected Fox's film, for better or worse.
by IGN Staff
May 4, 2009 - The recently released X-Men Origins: Wolverine film, which grossed $87M over its opening weekend, was in some ways impacted by the development of its companion videogame. This is according to comments from Dan Vondrak, project lead at Raven Software for its multiplatform X-Men Origins: Wolverine game.
"We were writing our own scripts before the movie had a script, but then when we started getting drafts of the film script, there were influences there from our game," said Vondrak, via Geek.com.
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He said he was aware of the stigma attached to most games tied to movies, and hoped things could be different with this game, since it was in production before Fox stepped in. "A lot of movie license games have sucked," said Vondrak. "They have been rushed and a lot of people just think slapping a license on a box is all they have to do. For us, Wolverine was a passion project. We approached this with, 'Wow, let's make the greatest Wolverine game ever' and then it just happened to become a movie game."
The impact of the game on the movie, according to Vondrak, went as far as determining which personalities were included and which weren't. "When we saw the trailers for the film there were certain characters – and I won't name names — that we think we're responsible for that dude getting in the game and getting in the movie," he said. "It's pretty cool to see these influences from game to film, although no one (from Fox) will admit that." and hollywood dissapoints me yet again. -
Harry, your review has summed up my feelings perfectly. It's not a bad movie... it's just not a particularly GOOD one.
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I can't believe some of you who say it sucks harder than Singer's X-men. Have you seen those two lately? They're not exactly Seven Samurai and The Godfather. They're okay, but just as lame as this flick — maybe even more so?
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i'm not sure who started the whole walk away as shit blows up, looking like a man on the mission? i know it looks kind of cheesy. i'm sure someone on the most educated forum( besides penthouse ) involving movies, can pinpoint this. just don't blame wolvie because that was close, when it comes to cheese.
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Nope... Not defending it as I haven't seen it. My point stands though - AICN (& Harry) have clearly jumped the shark when they endorse 'Tits Out For Attention Girl' every week.
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Actually, I think it would be insanely difficult to sift through the last forty years of mythos and come up with an acceptable origin story that could work in a two hour film. That isn't to say I think Wolverine is a flawless masterpiece but I do think it was easily better than a great deal of the comic books films we've gotten. I also think the criticism levied against Wolverine is arbitrary when you consider how much praise something like Spiderman 2 gets despite taking massive liberties with the characters coupled with some incredibly uneven performances. Does that mean I think Wolverine couldn't have been better? Of course not, but all things considered I also think it could have been much worse. I think it had some good performances, I think it had some good action scenes, and I think the mutant cameos were generally well done. Of course I'd love to see the truly feral, "I'm the best at what I do." Logan slashing his way through an R rated flick but unfortunately, that won't happen anytime soon. All of these X films have taken serious liberties with source material (What Singer did to Rogue was in my opinion as egregious as what Origins did to Deadpool) so I can’t really see faulting this film anymore than the previous movies, though I certainly think X1 and X2 are better made films.
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Watchemen is "Simply the most breathtaking film of the genre in every imaginable way"? Are you fucking joking? The most pathetic fanboy wankfest ever seen on screen. Or perhaps a fucking tedious, overly slavish ode to Moore? Mayeb Snyder will be lucky and the bearded loon will let him play with his naughty bits after that fucking horrid effort.
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it's all so pathetic.
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it's all so pathetic.
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I think i found the reason Harry hate's wolverine so much. They didn't cast him as the blob, seriously the man has zero integrity he's a whore for whoever hand's over a few sheckles for ad space on this sight. He is a horrible reviewer of film's, everyone of his pointless way to long review's has to contain information about his fatbringing in texas. King Kong all i need to say what a piece of steaming overlong shit !!! as for Peter Jackson come up with your own material then maybe we can call you the "genious" harry thinks you are.
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this is the best post on the thread: ""Watchmen will be remembered in 20 years" crap. Snyder made a xerox copy of the comic and passed it off as an art film. It was the biggest scam of the year, and the public didn't fall for it."
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Oh please stop defending fatboy, all you fucking douche fanboys have to pick one movie a year to direct all of your rage from not getting laid. last year was indy4 this year wolverine, how can you take naything this man says seriously? he cried during armageddon and liked godzilla.
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Oh please stop defending fatboy, all you fucking douche fanboys have to pick one movie a year to direct all of your rage from not getting laid. last year was indy4 this year wolverine, how can you take naything this man says seriously? he cried during armageddon and liked godzilla.
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Geek (high art) bullshit why a studio would give 135 million to hack snyder to put together a bunch of image's with no direction. I'm the suit's hadn o idea what the comic was and said how different can it be from 300.
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Singer's X-Men was far from a perfect and faithful adaptation of the comics, as was Spider-Man 2, yet the difference between those films and Wolverine is the care taken to flesh out the characters and integrate them well into a thoughtful and intelligent plot. I would have rather seen the movie version of Rogue more akin to her comic book counterpart, but Singer was using her mutation as a metaphor for the isolation and loneliness felt by the victims of bigotry, and to that end it seemed necessary to have her behavior reflect that. "Wolverine" was a movie built on cliches, bad special effects and heroic poses, so the significant changes to characters and events from the comics was, to me, far more jarring as seemingly had no real purpose.
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He made a very accurate (and in my opinion excellent) adaptation of an incredibly dense and popular graphic novel and he gets derided for it. He also got derided for the changes he did implement so ultimately, he cannot win. I applaud the man for simply making the film the way he wanted to. There was no way everyone would be pleased with any adaptation of Watchmen so while I'm sorry some of you hate it, I'm personally elated that I enjoyed it so much and I look forward to the extended cut on DVD. As to the film’s legacy, who knows? I personally think it’s a classic already and I wouldn’t be surprised if it became a cult hit like Blade Runner down the line.
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I grew increasingly annoyed with this film as it rolled on. So many problems.
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LOLROFL......so lame.
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I don't think the X-Men funny-books should have been treated as sacred, holy writ. The comics really only need to be referenced as a source of inspiration, provided that they retain the spirit of the characters and events that are portrayed on screen. The LOTR trilogy was far from faithful, but Peter Jackson took the essence of Tolkien's world and re-imagined it to fit in the cinematic world.
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I don't understand what you mean. In what way is that "lame?" Are you saying that bigotry either A) doesn't exist or B) creates no victims? Please explain.
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Payola is the word you are looking for
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to cheer when someone gets fired or be implicated in someone getting fired. when you dont lose yours especiall when there are factories and companies all over the US laying people off.? as the nd creds roll a name popped up ecalled louis g friedman
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to cheer when someone gets fired or be implicated in someone getting fired. when you dont lose yours especially when there are factories and companies all over the US laying people off.? as the nd creds roll a name popped up ecalled louis g friedman
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dom delouise. He was 75.
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Wolverine sucks. Watchmen was great.
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Remedy that shit, now!!!
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So, does anybody know of a decent link to any of the alternate endings? There are a few opsted on YouTube, but they all look like they were taken with a cell phone and are pretty much unwatchable...
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Blade Runner took a not-very-well-known work and essentially made a completely different story based on some of the same ideas. Watchmen took a well-loved property and put it onscreen without digesting it properly. It's like the first Star Trek:The Motion Picture, or an exact inverse of the comic book adaptations of movies: you wonder why they bothered.
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I mean, I like the idea of an ageless man who gets turned into an adamatium laced weapon. I love that. I love a lot about Wolverine, but he's been slashed to bits as a character. That whole "oh he actually had bone claws before the Weapon X program" thing? That is just ridiculous on a mutant with a healling ability? I've never liked that. It just takes the unbelievable aspect of the X-Men and multiplies it. It's so contrived and lazy. I think the more they try to make Wolverine a bad-ass via his superpowers, the less they make him a badass.
Wolverine is the best (worst?)example of why I have generally lost interest in comic book heroes. They generally seem to be written by 13 year minds who think that by escalating superpowers means it's somehow more interesting to read or watch. It's embarrassing on all counts. It's emotional retardation of the highest order.
I'd like to see superheroes returning back to basics instead of reaching the modern day Wolverine levels of absurdity. There's no need for those ridiculous retcons like bone claws or ridiculous healling factor levels where he can be torn in half, decapiatated, poisoned shocked, drowned, discintegrated and propelled into the sun on a nuclear warhead and still survive.
That's what I quite liked about Bryan Singers work. He went some way to ground the X-Men in a believable world. Those black costumes among other things may have been misguided, but for the most part he nailled those characters.
I agree with the Pierce Brosnan comparison completely. Wolverine needs to take a nap for now, and come back with a proper origin story, completely brand new, that does the character real justice.
The X-Men films have followed the exact same trend as the Batman movies did. First two were good, third was a massive step down, and this is the Batman & Robin of the X-Men brand.
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whatever was interesting about this character was lost to me when watching this film.
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Sure, guys like us know the book by heart but the average person had never heard of the comic until the film hit. I'd wager to say up until the release, Bladerunner was far better known than Watchmen.
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Comparing Watchmen to Bladerunner is an insult . Watchmen didn't and will never reach the level of Bladerunner in anyone whatsoever. Anbody who try' and compare the two film's is way of basis.
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Wolverine is iconic
For almost 30 years artist have been delivering great images.
A single frame, frozen in time of wolvie frozen in a pose
And this movie tried to capture all of them.
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Finally saw it last night, having never read the graphic novel, and knowing nothing about the characters. I was able to get the gist of it with a minimum of fuss, and for a movie that ran over 2 and 1/2 hours, it neither flagged nor bored. It doesn't bear comparison to Blade Runner; apples & oranges IMO. Still, a damn solid movie.
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Yes, Watchmen was probably the best-known comic ever. And no, Blade Runner (or rather Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep) was a cult novel, barely known outside sci fi circles. If at all, Blade Runner was known because Harrison Ford was in it, that's about it.
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They're inclined to focus on the bad stuff in the movie, just because they didn't get invited to the press-screening and Harry is too cheap to pay for a ticket himself. I saw the movie yesterday - it's a a good movie! Not as good as X2 but better than X3, and it certainly playes its role as a tone-setting prequel better than any of the Star Wars movies did!
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why they didnt make the wolverine/origin movies film first and then make the x-men films after that.
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saw it and it was "ok" worth 2 if ur not expecting "dark knight"!
it had flaws and some good moments, nearly like all the x-men movies.
no x-men movie was great in full time, all had some great momemts and many not so great ones!
wolvie started great and the fights were the best in the whole x-men movies.
many things were invented new but look at the 3 x-men movies before they always invented something new etc
some stuff was bullshit like the bullet at the end or victor looking very different in here, even liev was ok, but whats up with showing the fangs everytime...he aint a b movie vampire?!;)
i`ve read some people didnt like gambit, i liked him! i wished he had more screentime same goes 2 ryan renolds he was wasted in this movie!
will i am was just aweful stupid he looked like a male stripper and lynn collins cant act shit!
about hugh hes great but 2 posey to much often he was posing like bon jovi in his best days and that sucked but he delivered teh erst solid and in wolvi style!
about the action i guess the best thing in all 4 x-men movies.
some efeects looked great some very cheap.
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its not the best comic book movie, but im not upset that i paid to see it. cant wait for the deadpool spin off.why are we not hearing about that yet? cant wait to hear all the negative crap about that on good ol aicn!
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I think you were trying to hurt ticket sales with your refusal to see Wolverine in hopes that others would follow, and now that it actually did well you decide to see it.
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Sorry, guys, I HAVE to get this off my chest...
Well, as anyone who read my massive Superman Returns (a movie even crappier than Wolverine) rant can confirm, departure from the comic canon is something about which I am concerned very little when it comes to comic book adaptations. In the previous XMen films, there have been major departures from the storylines in the comics, and that's fine. They are two different mediums with their own respective strengths and weaknesses. My problems with Wolverine involve a variety of events, from the lack of a darker tone (which a movie focusing on Wolverine certainly promised) to ridiculous concepts (Have your own Deadpool on World Of Warcraft!) to a forced effort to include FAR too many characters in a movie that, again, is supposed to focus on Wolverine.
Although many of us Wolverine fans were hoping for a rated R movie, that just was not going to happen. Besides, they didn't need an R for the right tone. The Dark Knight was significantly darker than Wolverine, and it was PG 13, so the rating wasn't an issue.
When will Hollywood producers learn that, if you're spending all that money, why not spend a cool million (probably significantly less) on a GOOD screenwriter? When will they learn that, comparatively, it costs relatively little more money to hire a Joss Whedon type to fix a bad screenplay. (Whedon himself, really, would have been perfect, just coming off of a successful Astonishing Xmen run, and, obviously, knows how to write a screenplay). A million dollars would have been plenty to get someone like Whedon to tighten the screenplay up. The potential return? Well, how much money did The Dark Knight or Iron Man make? By the time the numbers are added up at the end of the run, I have little doubt that Wolverine will come in probably netting between 50 and 100 million dollars LESS than EITHER of those movies. A good screenplay can be the difference between a modest success and a breakaway success. Good actors plus a good screenplay allows the potential for a GREAT performance (e.g. Heath Ledger's Joker). Good actors and a bad screenplay would ONLY be able to produce a good performance, but there are usually more mediocre to bad performances than good ones.
Who was one of the screenwriters of Wolverine? Skip Woods, the screenwriter of Swordfish, one of the worst movies upon which I've had the displeasure of wasting 2 hours. As for Benioff, although he has written two decent screenplays (25th Hour and Kite Runner), neither of these are anywhere close to the comic genre, so to say that he was in over his head is probably a fair statement. Unfortunately, Woods was there to push his head COMPLETELY under, drowning Benioff, Woods himself, and any hope that this movie wouldn't suck.
One of my biggest pet peeves with screenplays is when a story is written and progresses at the expense of the characters. Characters do things that they wouldn't do, characters do things that NO ONE would do, simply to move the story from point A to point B. This was Woods' biggest issue with Swordfish, and, clearly, he has learned NOTHING since then.
Geeks might be a minority, but they are a LOUD minority. If they love a movie, they will not shut up about it. If they HATE a movie, likewise, they will not shut up about it. And WHERE do they run their mouths about it? Online. Heh, so here I am.
What didn't work? (Otherwise known as the "REALLY?!" section). Well, this list is too massive to include in its entirety, but here are the greatest hits:
Deadpool being controlled by a laptop. Having to type in "engage" for him to, you know, ENGAGE. Really? Deadpool is operated how someone might operate a character on World Of Warcraft? What, they couldn't find a Playstation or Xbox to hook up to Deadpool? Maybe some teenager with Deadpool on Xbox might have been able to figure out how to activate the optic blasts from Cyclops AND the diamond skin of Emma Frost. Of course, the screenwriter couldn't have allowed that to happen because Wolverine would have LOST that fight if that had happened. Lazy screenwriting.
Wolverine's bonding to adamantium. Probably the scene that I really wanted to be done well. This should have been a dark scene, akin to Frankenstein's "birth". This should have been the feral Wolverine being unleashed. This is, supposedly, the most traumatic event in Wolverine's lengthy life, but you wouldn't have known. Five minutes after his escape, it's "whoops, chopped a sink in half" and other various chuckles with Ma and Pa Kettle. The flashbacks in X2 of this event was darker than a scene that was DEDICATED to portraying this event. A waste.
Where are the guards? Top secret facility in a mountain, Wolverine cuts down one dude and he's out of there. Top secret facility on 3 Mile Island, a facility TEEMING with mutants under lock and key, yet no guards? Really? I guess it's a good thing that Stryker has his gun with adamantium bullets...
Wait, adamantium bullets!?! Really? REALLY!?! So, instead of writing the screenplay with Wolverine losing his memories due to the trauma of the adamantium bonding (which would have made a LOT more sense), they decided to have his memory washed away with adamantium bullets. Really? This might be the dumbest idea since midiclorians. Oh, it's ok that Wolverine escaped, because all that I have to do is track him down and shoot him in the head with this adamantium bullet...no, I'll need two. See, even though his skull is virtually indestructible and this here bullet is virtually indestructible, and you would think that the bullet would be simply deflected while remaining intact, it won't be. It will penetrate his skull because I said that it will, and it will erase his memories because I have no reason to think that his brain might heal the memories (which it later will anyway), and I know exactly where to shoot a mutant with healing factor in the head to make his memories go away. In fact, it will not only erase HIS memories, but it will erase the memories of EVERY SINGLE MUTANT that he helped escape. That way, when the first XMen movie happens, not only will Wolverine not have any memories of what happened, neither will Cyclops or Professor Xavier, because they would have never talked about the escape at all or who was responsible for the escape. That would make too much sense.
Oh, and why the hell didn't Stryker give Agent Zero those bullets when he sent Zero to kill Wolverine and "take his head off"? HE might have actually been able to DO something with them? Wow, I wonder if Arlen Specter watched this movie and thought, "eh, sounds plausible to me."
Which brings me to Professor Xavier. Why was he there? How did he know that Wolverine and Gambit were going to just walk into the top secret facility, defeat Stryker's group of effete doctors (again, no guards), Sabretooth, and the laptop alpha mutant Deadpool, and release 20 mutants from captivity? Gosh, I guess it was just a coincidence that it just happened to be the exact same day that Xavier was going to do the same thing. Heavens to Betsy, what are the odds?!?
Oh, and as for Wolverine, well, I totally believed Wolverine when he tells Sabretooth at the end "this doesn't change anything between us." Really? What did Sabretooth do to Wolverine? He only killed his girlfriend. Oh, wait, no, that's right, he DIDN'T! Said girlfriend was actually an undercover agent who had been manipulating Wolverine from day ONE. All Sabretooth did was PRETEND to kill her, and, if he hadn't done it, some other Stryker operative would have. So, again, why is Wolverine supposed to be mad at Sabretooth any more now than when he left the team at the beginning of the movie? They have different moral alignments? Wow, that's deep. It's nice to know that a piece of trim that had been manipulating Wolverine for a couple of years commands more loyalty than his blood brother that has been with Wolverine through thick and thin for a hundred years or so. Honestly, I'm about ready for a Sabretooth spinoff!
What worked?
Jackman. He's so familiar with the character, the screenplay and direction are almost superfluous at this point. He nails Wolverine. He just needed a story.
Schreiber. I was cynical at first (because of his lack of size), but he's very talented, and manages to bring a darkness to the role that, frankly, he had little help from the screenplay to develop. Once they established that he was significantly stronger than Wolverine, the size issue became irrelevant. He did a fine job, and I would love to see him in a sequel, or even his own spinoff.
Reynolds. I'm qualifying this to the first ten minutes only. Mouthless Deadpool, really, isn't Deadpool. "Merc with a mouth", that's Deadpool, and that aspect of Deadpool, Reynolds is, frankly, perfect for that role. Maybe he'll actually get to play the role someday.
The opening credits sequence. Loved it. Very effective narrative technique. Reminds me of Swordfish in this sense: the first 5 minutes of Swordfish were really good because it was just Travolta chewing up some fairly clever dialogue. In fact, I believe that the god of screenplays was actually writing that dialogue through Woods hands, because the dialogue is so prophetic in that the movie goes on to become complete crap. Check this out from IMDB, Travolta's opening monologue:
"You know what the problem with Hollywood is? They make shit. Unbelievable, unremarkable shit. Now I'm not some grungy wannabe filmmaker that's searching for existentialism through a haze of bong smoke or something. No, it's easy to pick apart bad acting, short-sighted directing, and a purely moronic stringing together of words that many of the studios term as "prose". No, I'm talking about the lack of realism. Realism; not a pervasive element in today's modern American cinematic vision. Take Dog Day Afternoon, for example. Arguably Pacino's best work, short of Scarface and Godfather Part 1, of course. Masterpiece of directing, easily Lumet's best. The cinematography, the acting, the screenplay, all top-notch. But... they didn't push the envelope. Now what if in Dog Day, Sonny REALLY wanted to get away with it? What if - now here's the tricky part - what if he started killing hostages right away? No mercy, no quarter. "Meet our demands or the pretty blonde in the bellbottoms gets it the back of the head." Bam, splat! What, still no bus? Come on! How many innocent victims splattered across a window would it take to have the city reverse its policy on hostage situations? And this is 1976; there's no CNN, there's no CNBC, there's no internet! Now fast forward to today, present time, same situation. How quickly would the modern media make a frenzy over this? In a matter of hours, it'd be biggest story from Boston to Budapest! Ten hostages die, twenty, thirty; bam bam, right after another, all caught in high-def, computer-enhanced, color corrected. You can practically taste the brain matter. All for what? A bus, a plane? A couple of million dollars that's federally insured? I don't think so. Just a thought. I mean, it's not within the realm of conventional cinema... but what if?"
Yeah, both Swordfish and Wolverine were big "what ifs?", as in, "what if a GOOD screenwriter had written it!"
Uh...ok...did I miss anything?
Oh, one last thing: if the producers want the kind of 2nd and 3rd viewing dollars that The Dark Knight enjoyed, they need to get a tight screenplay together. If the screenplay is good, the geeks like me will go back again and again to check it out. They should allow The Dark Knight to be a blueprint on what to do right.
Here are a few screenwriters that just might be hungry enough to put together an exceptional comic book adaptation to RElaunch this franchise:
Joss Whedon: he has played script doctor a few times, obviously wrote quite a bit for TV, and he can obviously write a full length screenplay. Although Serenity didn't make a lot of money, the screenplay was solid. Also, his writing schedule is probably about to open up.
David Goyer: lots of comic book adaptations under his belt. I thought Jumper was buttcrack awful, but with story credits for The Dark Knight and Blade, he has experience and the ability to knock it out of the park.
The Wachowskis: they couldn't bring the Matrix trilogy in for a landing, but their adaptation of V For Vendetta was top notch.
More importantly, with the money that Wolverine 2 will have available for a budget, there is no excuse why they would not be able to hire top talent to bring Wolverine back to the screen in a significantly more powerful fashion than with this first impotent offering.
And, please forgive any grammatical/spelling errors. When the berserker is upon me, sometimes things get messy. After all, I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do best isn't very nice.
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Have you got my letter yet?
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This sight has had it out for Wolverine long before it opened to huge numbers might i add. I just want to make this point , comic book movie's as a rule are not supposed to be serious are thought provoking. Now Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are the exceptions. I never looked at batmna as a "superhero" he has no powers, he's a billionare vigalente with mental issues so that character works well as a serious movie. But spiderman, hulk, and the like are characters the have powers that don't have to be grounded in anykind of reality and don't work as serious films. These are comic book characters !!! wolverine shouldn't be serious it should be just what the movie was loud and action packed . I am not saying this was a great movie but i enjoyed it alot more then any of the three overlong and badly acted spiderman movie's. I have never seen a three movies in a trilogy that are so alike. Only difference between spiderman 1,2,3, is that third is so much worse then the first two which im more or less apathetic about.
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May 06, 2009 10:50:34 PM CDT
Reynolds to reprise Deadpool in "X-Men" spin-off (Reuters)
by ksmotorider
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Fresh off the muscular box-office performance of "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," one of the film's characters is headed for a movie of his own.
20th Century Fox is developing a spin-off featuring Deadpool, the wise-cracking mercenary played in the film by Ryan Reynolds.
In "Deadpool," Reynolds will reprise the "merc with a mouth," known for his slapstick tone and propensity to break the fourth wall.
It is understood that the character would regain the ability to mouth off, after having suffered a setback in "Wolverine." Deadpool also was disfigured in the current film, but it's unclear how much the studio would want to mess with Reynolds' handsome mug in the new feature.
Fox considered a "Deadpool" spin-off early in "Wolverine's" development process, and cast Reynolds with that possibility in mind.
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/reynolds-reprise-deadpool-quotxmenquot-spinoff-reuters -
Yeah, man. I read your rant. I concur - Wolverine sucked.
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It does exactly what the title says, gives us the origin of Wolverine, not James Logan, not a lot of other mutants, its the origins of Wolverine and its a ruthlessly efficient and stylish film, I think a lot of the hate stems from people disliking for what it isn't rather that for what it is, a summer popcorn flick, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, loved the styling and vibe and thought it introduced a lot of exciting possibilities for future films.
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While i enjoy your site and have done for many years I've started seeing a pattern. One that danny and sloop so poetically put it it. If you dont get an exclusive set visit or some kind of freebie then you seem to pick your ball upand run home in a moody. Then lo and behold the movie gets stiffed. I've seen Wolverine and its not the best movie ive seen or wilol see this summer but it wasnt as bad as AICN likes to make out. As for moaning mabout paying 12 bucks to see a movie...shut the fuck up. Every other movie 'lover' has to why should you be so different.
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I had not seen the trailers for this so the helicopter bit and hacking at armored vehicles was relatively cool from my POV.
Bananas storyline. Holes all over. I wanted to enjoy this movie, and I started to then Oh Nooo another clanger. They seemed to have tried to tie this up with XMen, but I cannot see how Stryker goes from wanted for killing a general to what he is in XMen2. Very disappointed.
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I saw XO:W for $14, $7 for me and $7 for my 10 year old son.
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I agree, but most of my disappointment was in the continuity and bad special effects details in the film. The movie was set in the late 70's, after Vietnam, but from scene to scene you could spot technology that didn't exist or was only a design at the time. Humvee's were not produced until '85, some of the guns used by both the Stryker Merc team and the people they attacked were also developed 5 or more years after 1979. Wolvies blades at times looked like really bad cut and paste CGI work or didn't look as good as they did in the first 3 X-Men films. Jean Luc...er, um... Prof Xavier looked like a rubber mannequin. It felt very "B movie" compared to the first 3 X-Men movies. It really needed another few months work to clean up special effects, and someone who knew how to do research so that props and equipment were appropriate to the time it was set in, not to mention a better writer to give us more than a generic plot.
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Okay, it was good not great but come on. "it won't just be money you'll be paying with", WTF? Seriously, shut the fuck up douche.
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I've just watched the work print online and thoroughly enjoyed it. Better than X1, X3 and on a par with X2. This film was awesome - there's nothing wrong with Gambit's accent; Wolverine's memory loss is justifiable; Deadpool's character was cool and I don't care if he didn't look like the comics (Comics are for children); the score was better than the other 3 films.
The only qualm I have is the CGI wasn't up to scratch. Stop whining you pussy ass bitches. I'm going to the cinema with my wife to watch the finished article which will be even better. Bring on Wolverine 2. -
175 million. That means that all of the bitching, screaming, bashing and trashing you guys did over the last few weeks had no effect on the moviegoing public. Why? Well for one, the people watching the movie are actually liking it. It kinda delivers what the ads promise. "A guy with claws cuts up some shit alot!" But there is another thing to consider: You guys bitch too much about what is wrong with movies. I would really like to see the talkback generated for Citizen Cane, or Blade Runner, or The Empire Stikes Back.
You are in a unique time right now, much like twenty years ago during the "Summer of Batman". It's a geeks time. this is a time when you guys can come out of the shadows and celebrate your geekdom. Regular people want to talk to you right now, about Wolvie, or Trek or Transformers or any of the big movies coming out this summer. Revel in it. It doesn't happen that often really. -
Saw Wolverine.
Special effects were hit & miss, mostly hit. Even my wife picked up on some of the flaws, which says a lot since she's not into it. Didn't bother me.
Liked most of the characters.
Didn't care for Gambit, but then I didn't care for him in the books, either.
Really liked Liev Schriber as Sabertooth. Didn't care if he wasn't big and bulky, he worked.
The Blob bit was really good.
They fixed the one real mistake of the film by the end. Satisfied.
So, I like it a lot. And it seems all the vitriole over how bad it is was over the top. Did it make some errors in story? Yes. But I think that the next Wolverine movie (and there will be one) will get a better script and a better effects team. I'll be waiting. -
The next time, Fox (like they'd listen) needs to fight the temptation of glancing over the source material and add characters that would just be "cool" to see but just don't belong where they place them. EMMA FROST? Diamond skin powers didn't appear in X-Men lore until waaaaay after the time that this film depicts. She is a telepath, and a strong one at that. I know, comic book geek talking, but that's one problem with getting the wrong people involved.
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SilverFox was a pleasant surprise. Why do I find this actress sexy as hell? As for the movie, I thought it was good, but not great. Wolverine was never meant to be a one man show. I would never just buy a Wolverine comic book. I think the writers of Wolverine knew this. You can’t just watch Wolverine by himself. You need to see him with the X-Men. Instead the movie fills this void with other mutants, Deadpool, Gambit, the Blob, Sabertooth, etc. It’s was cool to see, but sadly It just wasn’t the same. You’re left wondering, wouldn’t it be better to have an X-Men movie but focus more on Wolverine? Wolverine was still fun to watch, but man, what a colossal waste of resources to make this kind of Wolverine movie.
The next Wolverine movie should be a flashback to Japan or some other subplot in an X-men movie. Wolverine should already be a part of the X-Men. Whatever adventure he goes into he should have one or two of the X-Men with him to back him up. Wouldn’t it be cool to see Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Storm to go off on some secret mission? Or better yet, just make a freaking new X-Men movie! I would introduce the brood. Make it an alien invasion of some kind. The X-Men are the only ones that can and are willing to stop them. Even Wolverine can take the lead since he can sniff out the aliens from the humans. That would be a badass X-Men movie.
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that is what they are doing but before they make a new xmen film, they will do a series of spin offs and origin movies. Then they will make the final x-men film. it may not have set the box office alight but all critics agreed that Valkyrie was slick and some very good action set pieces. if singer can hone his skills as an action director he may deliver the mother and father of all xmen movies . if not hollywood should then get down on its knees to john mctiernan and give the movie to him or just give all comic book movies to cameron fom midnight jan 1 2010. I know somebody who knows some body who is wokring on avatar at a very high sneior tech level and worked on lord of the rings and expect to blown out your seat.
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I liked Wolverine and I liked X-men 3 the Last Stand. I have always gone against the group on the order of "the best Xmen movies". I disliked X2. I thought it was an overblown and overlong. I actually fell asleep the first time I watched it. The only thing I did like about it was the opening sequence with Nightcrawler. X3 is my favorite of the X-Men films. It has the best action sequences. I love Juggernaut(and yes I like the infamous line) Alot of people hate that crucial characters die and that Cyclops is just glossed over. While they may have a point, I do believe that X3 has plenty of emotion attached to it. There is genuine grief over the loss of The Professor. If they didn't grieve over Scott it is because they simply did not have time because they had to deal with the next crisis. I love the X-Men comic too, but this is a movie and should be treated as such.
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I also think that some people bash Wolverine to feel part of a clique or even to feel intellectual or superior. Please...it is a popcorn action flick and should not be analyzed or treated so seriously. Is it my favorite of the year? No. I think Watchmen is a far superior comic book film. I did enjoy myself for 2 hours. That is the sign of a good flick. If you want to pick apart a popcorn flick then please do so with Transformers. Wasn't anyone upset seeing Optimus and Megatron looking more like Gundam or Voltron?
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nuff said fanboys, now cry babies are talking word of mouth for star trek...fucking this said is great!!!
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X-Men 3 is an enjoyable comic book movie.
Some of the people who hate X-Men 3 dislike it because Brett Ratner made it rather than Bryan Singer. So what? Singer made Superman Returns, which was a REAL dud. -
Everyone keeps banging on about how comic book movies should all be like the Dark Knight. Now - I enjoyed watching DK at the cinema and I own a DVD copy of it - and yet... I haven't had the urge to re-watch it recently, whilst I've seen Iron Man a couple of times. I find Iron Man really enjoyable and I also liked Watchmen and the X-Men movies. I think that this may be because the Dark Knight tries to be something more than just a comic book movie (which is fine: it tries very hard to be a 'real world' story) - but I REALLY like comic book movies! I like the fact, for instance, that nobody bothers to give us the origins to all the merc mutants in the Wolverine movie: they just suddenly introduce the Blob, Deadpool, etc. It's like you just opened up a Marvel comic and went straight into the action, and the writers are assuming you don't need to have the origins & powers of every character explained to you.
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...yes I liked it. I have been away for awhile but I am a little surprised at all the hate for Wolverine. No, it is not perfect, but it actually fits in well with the other X-movies. There are some valid criticisms. Yeah, there is some bad CGI. I wish Wolvie was more of a wiseass like in the X-movies. But there is some really good stuff here, too. Liev kicks ass as Sabertooth. The action is respectable for summer blockbuster. Gambit, Agent Zero, and Deadpool were all really cool. I assume whatever that thing he fights at the end was a clone of Wade and not the real deal, especially as they're talking Deadpool spinoff. Whatever, like I'm gonna convince anybody in a 2 week old talkback. It's a decent summer blockbuster, if that's a bad thing then so be it.
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The first 'walk away as shit blows up' scene I can remember was in Mad Max, when Mel cuffs a bad guy to a car that's about to blow up. It's the scene where Max says: "The chain in those handcuffs is high-tensile steel. It'd take you ten minutes to hack through it with this. Now, if you're lucky, you could hack through your ankle in five minutes. Go." It worked in Mad Max because it was well-done and fresh.
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When I first walked out of it, I thought "that was awesome!" Then I saw it a couple more times that summer and my opinion became "wow they really just flashed a bunch of lights in your face and the whole Robin part was just retarded." Then Batman & Robin came out a couple years later and I decided both Schumacher movies were equally abonimable. In recent years I've come to see that Batman Forever is not really all that terrible. In fact I might prefer it to the first Burton movie at this point. PS holy fuck has it really been almost 14 years since that movie came out? I am old as fuck.
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The vast majority of ideas in this movie come straight from the comic writers including the sainted Grant Morrison. The whole movie is full of that Chris Claremont style of "It's important because I'm telling you it's important." If this movie is ridiculos it's because the whole Wolverine mythos is ridiculous. You can't expect the director to make it all work, he's just trying to give the comic readers what they're used to and in that respect, he pretty much delivers. Could have done without Wolvie's zombie girlfriend though.
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I didn't see X3 in the theaters either. To me it was obvious that it had no merit and I wouldn't enjoy it. But at least I didn't complain about it then go watch it anyway which evident by the box office many did. So yeah, it's true. "Fuck the fans" because they will watch it anyway no matter what it looks like. I'm not in denial.
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Give it a rest already! Does everything has to be compared to this?
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Wolverine is an awful film period. X3 was bad....infact very bad and the lack of respect shown was shocking just as it is present in Wolverine. The dialogue, effects, acting, story (or lack of it) are absolutely reeking.
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the movie was good as a pg13 wolv gos
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was a fucking swarm of bugs. How can anything be taken seriously after that. The world eater. A swarm. Of bugs. Ugh.
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I want to see "The Incredible Hulk Vs Wolverin"! /// ;)
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May 13, 2009 8:06:10 AM CDT
Harry saw WOLVERINE this afternoon... I think I need a nap...
by new_magneto
I want to see "The Incredible Hulk Vs Wolverin"! /// ;)
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Hi! I want to play in the movies, i want to play Magneto - 25 old, in the "X-Men Origins: Magneto"!
I've got everything for it - an appearance, abilities and great interest!
Please tell me how i can сonnect to the producer Lauren Shuler Donner and director David S. Goyer! I'll be very grateful to you! ;) -
Why are people complaining about how bad it is? It never looked like it would be any good. I guess Rufferto and I are the only two people here who never planned to see it in theaters.
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"What the fuck happened here? What's that...my parents were killed in some shitty movie? And they took my jacket and motorcycle! What the hell!"
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Oh how I was so excited to see this movie. I love Wolverine and love Hugh Jackman, so naturally, I had great expectations. Though this wasn't nearly as bad as Catwoman or Fantastic Four, it was totally cliche, corny and lame.
I knew it the moment they opened the scene with Wolverine and Sabertooth as kids. Oh, that was so, so bad.
Oh, sand omeone close to Wolverine dies? Let's do the classic fists- clenched-screaming-towards-the heavens-while-panning-out-to-the- mountains-with-birds-flying-out-of the-trees-shot. Oh yes. Yes they did.
And I agree with Harry - the end fight with Deadpool (or whatever they did to him) was just stupid. There was also so much going on that it was just rambling on and on without being able to tie up all the threads well.
Sigh. You know it's bad when the audience starts heckling the screen and laughing during tense or emotional segments.
Only good thing about the movie was Hugh Jackman's smile and consistent glowering. Hm - I think that's about it.
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X3 was a very enjoyable movie as was Wolverine. Get over yourselves, you look like kids arguing over candy.
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come on....what is wrong with all the critics that doesnt like good movies... that has thrill, action, and everything there after,,
if you love spiderman, how can u not like wolverine?
wolverine is the best x-men movie of them all, this is how the x-men movies should been made,
they have many characters and all fits in to a great puzzle and all the pieces fits together, unlike the 3 x-men movies...Ive watched them many times just as saw the old batman movies from 90s. i been huge fan of the x-men movies,
but they did not have the edge as in wolverine, as in x-men there are to many characters then they know what to do with, unlike from wolverine....meaning that many of the characters in x-men movies 1-2-3 does not get the justice they deserve; like all chracters get in wolverine., but the movies are NOT bad because off that. just wolverine is better; alot better! action packed from start to finish and the storyline is perfect!!
why do criticts always hate good movies like wolverine....and love crappy talk-movies with nothing happening what so ever
more then audience falling asleep; they talk to much so you do not really want to know what it is about...like angel and demons, bug.... tom hanks runs around looking for dead priests while in bug, they hang around a trailor for an
entire movie in the fear of fear. two pointless movies! not to forget the crap called: doubt. how come they so good and not wolverine??
what is wrong with the world... 99% of all cool movies, critics hate and the puplic loves!
Personally i love what they done with wolverine, it is a top notch action movie and it beats the dark knight... that i hopped would been better, but that is all do to bad cutting of the TDK trailer... it tells a diffrent story then the movie...
i cant wait for a wolverine 2 and i hope all critics that did not like wolverine. force them to see they do not know what they talk about!
quint and harry must have seen the workprint... and even that was great! but you can NOT grade the movie from a workprint.
that is just wrong... if you two do not like wolverine.. then you could NOT have seen the same wolverine movie as i have!
as for replacing actors with new once, i NEVER liked that... if you do that, you should do like batman begins and casino royale, and start ALL over again from the beginning and NOT continue in the same fashinon as the batmans of 90s. or like iron mans best friend in iron man TWO!
ive seen wolevrine 3 times and it is just as awesome every freaking time, it is what a superhero movie should be!!
*more on this later*
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