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Max California Ventures To The EDGE OF DARKNESS With Mel Gibson!!!
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Beaks here...
Has it really been five years since we saw Mel Gibson in a feature film? Or are we counting THE COLONEL?
EDGE OF DARKNESS is the script that lured Mel out of semi-retirement, and it's a remake of Troy Kennedy-Martin's critically-acclaimed BBC miniseries from the 1980s. Directed by Martin Campbell, and adapted by William Monahan (Oscar winner for THE DEPARTED) and Andrew Bovell (LANTANA), it'll be interesting to see how well the series' hook of nuclear paranoia works today. Obviously, if you've seen the Kennedy-Martin original, you know that EDGE OF DARKNESS is about much more than that - which raises another question. Have Monahan and Bovell incorporated some of the show's less conventional elements?
I'm also interested to see how Ray Winstone fares in the role originally intended for Robert De Niro - who abruptly left the production last year due to "creative differences".
Let's see what Max California had to say. There are some mild spoilers below.
Hi Harry, just got back from a test screening down in Thousand Oaks of Martin Campbell's new thriller 'Edge of Darkness', starring Mel Gibson. We were told it was a work in progress and all the usual stuff, though except for credits and a score it looked pretty much finished as far as I could tell. I know the film is a remake of Campbell's original British mini-series, but I haven't seen it so can't offer any comparisons. Martin Campbell was there in person, I did not see The Gib himself. Anyway, modest whats-it-about spoilers (no biggies) to follow :
Mel plays a Boston cop, with a decent understated accent (i.e. no Baaaahston-talk), devoted to his daughter, who has arrived in town for a visit. Almost immediately she starts vomiting uncontrollably and bleeds from the nose. As they leave his house to take her to the hospital, a car pulls up, someone in a ski mask gets out and unloads a shotgun on her, and speeds off. This is one of those SURPRISE MASSIVE JOLT killings that just comes out of nowhere, and the shotgun blast is ear-splittingly shocking (and if you like those, you'll love, or hate, this movie, as this kind of thing happens several times).
So we get Mel grieving for his daughter, wondering if he, a cop, was the real target and they missed, basically getting nowhere in the investigation, when he starts going through his daughters personal belongings and comes across...a geiger counter, that just so happens to start crackling when he runs it over a lock of her hair. So he investigates her work, which he knew little about - she was an employee at a nuclear plant. From there, we get into a conspiracy/coverup kind of thing as Mel follows the corruption, which goes All The Way To The Top (TM). Ray Winstone a.k.a. not Robert Deniro shows up as a shady middleman who may or may not be helping Mel get to the bottom of everything, and Danny Huston is the daughter's boss, another suspicious character (well, pretty much everyone is).
So, any good? Yes! This is a well constructed thriller, for adults. Very plot heavy with plenty of twists and turns, so if you tune out for a few minutes you might miss something vital. I actually overheard someone say they were bored (expecting Lethal Weapon V?). It is mostly low-key, and is not an action movie, though there is action, and when it happens, it's short, brutal, and R-rated. Gibson does great work in one of his best dramatic performances in years (well, yeah I know its his ONLY performance in years, but seriously he brings the goods here), and has some fun/intense scenes with Winstone, who manages to be friendly and menacing at the same time (and he is indeed seen hitting a golf ball out of a sand trap).
No real complaints about this one, a couple of scenes here and there dragged, but nothing major, the film was about 2 hours 15 minutes.There's a device where Mel keeps seeing his dead daughter in child and adult form, and he talks to her. I don't know if this added anything, its there and its OK, but the film would have worked fine as is without it. All in all, very watchable stuff, a good solid suspense thriller, with his Gibness on top form.
-Max California
Mel plays a Boston cop, with a decent understated accent (i.e. no Baaaahston-talk), devoted to his daughter, who has arrived in town for a visit. Almost immediately she starts vomiting uncontrollably and bleeds from the nose. As they leave his house to take her to the hospital, a car pulls up, someone in a ski mask gets out and unloads a shotgun on her, and speeds off. This is one of those SURPRISE MASSIVE JOLT killings that just comes out of nowhere, and the shotgun blast is ear-splittingly shocking (and if you like those, you'll love, or hate, this movie, as this kind of thing happens several times).
So we get Mel grieving for his daughter, wondering if he, a cop, was the real target and they missed, basically getting nowhere in the investigation, when he starts going through his daughters personal belongings and comes across...a geiger counter, that just so happens to start crackling when he runs it over a lock of her hair. So he investigates her work, which he knew little about - she was an employee at a nuclear plant. From there, we get into a conspiracy/coverup kind of thing as Mel follows the corruption, which goes All The Way To The Top (TM). Ray Winstone a.k.a. not Robert Deniro shows up as a shady middleman who may or may not be helping Mel get to the bottom of everything, and Danny Huston is the daughter's boss, another suspicious character (well, pretty much everyone is).
So, any good? Yes! This is a well constructed thriller, for adults. Very plot heavy with plenty of twists and turns, so if you tune out for a few minutes you might miss something vital. I actually overheard someone say they were bored (expecting Lethal Weapon V?). It is mostly low-key, and is not an action movie, though there is action, and when it happens, it's short, brutal, and R-rated. Gibson does great work in one of his best dramatic performances in years (well, yeah I know its his ONLY performance in years, but seriously he brings the goods here), and has some fun/intense scenes with Winstone, who manages to be friendly and menacing at the same time (and he is indeed seen hitting a golf ball out of a sand trap).
No real complaints about this one, a couple of scenes here and there dragged, but nothing major, the film was about 2 hours 15 minutes.There's a device where Mel keeps seeing his dead daughter in child and adult form, and he talks to her. I don't know if this added anything, its there and its OK, but the film would have worked fine as is without it. All in all, very watchable stuff, a good solid suspense thriller, with his Gibness on top form.
-Max California
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screw 1ster's
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I remember this....
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Thought it was worth a try.
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...we can start to forget all this tabloid shit.
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And it makes me hungry.
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Unfortunately, that was the extent of the conversation other than "oh hey, that's Mel's first acting role in a movie since _____" I can't believe I didn't ask him how the shoot went.
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third ?
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...Twelve Beers Anti-Semite. It happens. I myself like to have dirtier than usual sex and fall asleep when I'm drunk. To each his own.
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May 01, 2009 2:30:47 PM CDT
Of course I just brought up all the tabloid shit. What an ass.
by flickapoo
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May 01, 2009 2:32:46 PM CDT
I'm sorry Mr. Gibson, how much gas does it take to burn a body?
by azultool
These are the kind of stats that holocaust deniers compile.
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What the hell is a "Suger-Tits" anyway? What a lunatic.
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Passion..Apocalypto..brilliant films.
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on the PCH while hopped up on PCP driving to a KKK rally then we got pulled over and he got a DWI and i got a PI. WTF
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...but it sure smells good!
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But the man knows story structure.
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Was great, plus the amazing Clapton sound track.
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...the lawn of the house next door. True story. He mowed it for a few weeks...but supposedly he has a bad back so he had his pregnant wife do it while he sat in the shade and they screamed at each other. This was about three and a half years ago and little Adolph is three now, so I assume she was pregnant with the little miniature Fuhrer. Ironic that an unemployed retard with a bad back should be be all zippy about the Master Race...
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i admit, i'd want to see a lethal weapon 5....and the dude is gonna need cash for the Picassos in his 15th $10 million beach home!
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Is a fucking tit.
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Just like Murray's will birth Ghostbusters 3.
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If I would only have 200+ million left after my divorce I would 'act for food' in a heartbeat.
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I'm confused.
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May 01, 2009 3:38:51 PM CDT
I CANT WAIT FOR LETHAL WEAPON 5 - KILL ALL JEWS AND EMBRACE THE
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
NEW JUST IN FROM THE 90S, GIBSON WASHED UP. AND I DONT MEAN THE DISHES
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Hmmm, I'm Super-horney, and I have this really hot chick ready to fuck me. But, she's a jew. What should I put in her vagina? My dick or a grenade? What will get me of more?
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with Angela Bassett as Entity
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miniseries of all time, if not the best. It's got a perfect mixture of moods, genres and ideas. It goes from an incredibly moody mystery piece (soundtracked by Eric Clapton's guitar wails, which actually work here), to a Greenpeacey activist thriller, to an uber-cool CIA high-stakes battle of egos to a balls out apocalyptic end of days drama. All of which was written perfectly, I might add. I can see why some hack would get the urge to turn this into a movie after watching it, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to better. Seriously. And whoever they cast as Joe Don Baker is going to look like a joke in comparison to his legendary performance.
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May 01, 2009 3:59:33 PM CDT
BackRiverCatfish...there was a guy who made international...
by flickapoo
...headlines a little while ago for naming his kid Adolph Hitler...and he used to mow my neighbor's lawn. It's my little claim to fame...I mention it whenever Nazis, lawn mowers, pregnant women, neighbors, Germany, or Mel Gibson come up in conversation.
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Bwahahahahahahaha!!! I'm so funny, it's unreal...
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May 01, 2009 4:10:31 PM CDT
WHEN IS GIBSONS HOLLOCAUST ROMANTIC COMEDY DUE OUT ?
by heath_ledgers_oozing_happy_maggot_penis
PLOT REVOLVES AROUND GIBSON TRYING TO WIN THE AFFECTIONS OF AN 11 YEAR OLD JEW GIRL CAUGHT IN THE STRUGGLE OF THE BATTLE FOR MIDDLE EARTH FROM THE NINJA NAZIS. GIBSON FALLS FOR THE GIRL (NAMED YOKO)AND THEY EMBARK ON RIP ROARING RAMPAGE OF REVENGE AND LUST AS THE CROSS MIDDLE EARTH AND BUMP INTO WACKY CHARACTERS LIKE (GIBBOS DAD WHO REFUSES TO BELIEVE YOKO EXISTS) ALL THE TIME THE NINJA NAZIS ARE ON THERE TAIL FOLLOWING THEM VIA THE BLOOD STAINED RAGS AND SEMEN STAINED CLOTHING. (STEVE O PLAYS THE MAIN NINJA NAZI BACKFLIPPING AND VOMITING HIS WAY THROUGH MIDDLE EARTH) THE FINALE SEES STEVE O AND GIBSON FACE OFF AS STEVE O SUDDENLY SPRINGS SWORDS FROM HIS ARMS AND SHOOTS LASERS ALL OVER THE FUCKING GAFF GIBSON SIMPLY TYPES THE COMMAND BARREL ROLL INTO THE STEVE O COMMAND CONTROL SYSTEM AND STEVO BACKFLIPS HIMSELF INTO A VOMITING PILE OF PUKE AND FINALY DECAPITESE HIMSELF. GIBSON AND YOKO (PLAYED BY DAKOTA FANNING) WRESTLE EACH OTHER TO THE GROUND AND START KISSING (ALOT) GIBSON GETS UP TAKES HIS SHIRT OFF AND PUTS ON THE TRACK (HOUND DOG BY ELVIS) THE FINAL SHOT HAS A YOUNG PAIR OF LEGS COME UP INTO FRAME AND GIBSON (WITH HIS TRADEMARK SMIRK) SLOWLY DECEND HIS HEAD OUT OF SHOT.
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the Bostonian accents were pretty bad, and the film itself could lose some minutes in the run time, cause it lagged like a mofo. the screening i saw it in had a lot of fidgety people in it, and once it was over and it was time to fill out our cards, no clapping, just silence. the overall story was in my opinion, very watchable with some changes. first and foremost the accents. they completely take you right out of the drama, and the departed guy's handprints are all over this sucker, but not in a good way. it almost felt like a retread even down to the films climatic shootout. ray winstone brings though and his sparse screen time is nearly worth the price of admission. the shotgun blast in the beginning was loud, and very wet. i doubt the final version will have that in there, some of the older folks in the audience commented on how the violence was a little too over the top, and i think that demographic is this films intended audience. the under 30 crowd wont like this. mel is good, not great, but good. his daughter was horrendous, and the ghost angle lead up to the lamest ending ever. martin campbell was the most disappointing in the production though, it felt like he shot it for tv. i'm sure the changes are coming and the screening i saw was different than what max saw.
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I'm not excusing it but lets not pretend Mel is the exception. Steve McQueen acted like a childish prick all the time, Brando had a big heart but was a complete narcisist, Sinatra was tough guy mobster-wannabe, Schwarzanaeger has a ton of skeletons in his closet, ans Sean Penn is a self-righteous mlacontent who beat at least one of his wives. I'm not forgiving these faults but I don't find them relevant to the movie I'm watching. Turn off the E channel and you'll probably enjoys these movies more.
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that the Jews are responsible for all the world's wars.
Yeah, it's an easy punchline. So what.
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i remember the 80s and early 90s when it was okay to be a fan of "genre" films and think mel was cool. he was the Road Warrior for f*#k sake.
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Remember...George Lucas' divorce spawned "Temple of Doom," which many people disliked upon its release. Though, looking back, it is far superior to "Crystal Skull."
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Mel may be completely tweaked, but he's still one of the best directors working (rarely) today. "Passion" for all its problems is still an intense and absolutely unique piece of filmmaking, but "Apocalypto" was just bugnuts awesome, a really fantastic, beautiful, imaginative, gripping and effective film which incredibly still feels timeless and classic in the best sense of the word. Absolutely nobody else working today could have made that thing. So while this flick sounds fine enough, I'm opposed to anything which stands in the way of Mel directing more (and shutting up on his off-time).
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if I knew nothing about pre-Columbian society and never made it past 5th grade. Mel probably should have done a little research before making that film.
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the UK has ever had?? Just wondering.
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will keep the vibrator scene in. Something tells me no...
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well sure, but come on. I mean, how many Civil War/ Revolutionary War type pics have come out with huge glaring errors, fake accents, etc? I think the film is not meant to be taken as history proper, just as a story with a unique set of characters and background. As I understand it, the Mayan-descended folks they showed it to were more pleased to hear their language and culture cinematically represented than they were upset that its depiction is pretty iffy. I dunno, maybe that's just me rationalizing it. But come on, cinema, especially action cinema, gets by on its chutzpah, not on its accurate depictions of reality. Don't mean to defend Mel's obvious racist tendencies, of course, just to say that it's a cool film in my book
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For every good leading male actor you usualy find at least three or four stories of the hsit they pull on set or in there private lifes. This goes all the way back to the Errol Flyn days.I'm a fan of Gibsons work. He should do more stuff like Payback and the OG Leathal Weapon. The sequels just diluted everything with children and grand kids,buddies and shit.Take it back to the basics.
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but the man knows story structure.
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You know its gonna happen. A one two punch of a Mad Max sequel and some brilliant movie Mel directs would relaunch his career nicely. He'll never regain his previous status though - the nice guy act is up in smoke forever.
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He bagged my girlfriends mom at her house on Cape May. She's not what one would call...attractive, but she is a Jew! I'm guessing he didn't know that at the time...
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I have fond memories of DeNiro but he hasn't done anything good for a long time now.
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Sad that Martin Campbell has decided to dig up and sodomize his greatest achievement. Everyone, just go and buy the original Edge of Darkness on DVD, I cannot emphasize enough how great it is.
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Robin Hood. That would be fitting.
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long before he was anti-Semitic. Anybody see Braveheart or The Patriot? Don't see the English crying about it though do you?
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He's an excellent actor and director, and his body of work, at its peak, stands up well to anyone's--how many other actors have starred in so many iconic roles? Sure, he's flawed, but we're all flawed. Lots of casting the first stone around here--who would want their worst moments turned into headlines for months at a time? Who would come out of that looking good? None of you, I'd bet.And for the record, I'm a non-Christian. I've just always liked the guy and his work. When he murders or abuses someone, then we can talk about him being a bad guy. Until then, well, many of the idiots here say worse things in talkback comments, quite frankly, than Gibson ever said elsewhere.
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I loved his Will Scarlet in the old ITV Robin Hood series. In fact I loved that whole series and everyone in it, and am having a hard time understanding why any futher RH editions are necessary after that stunningly brilliant one. But adding him would make a good cast even better.
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Probably one of the best things the BBC EVER made! Truly brilliant mini-series, perfectly cast with Bob Peck and Joe Don Baker. Recalling the bizarre paranoia of the eighties. Why remake it?! Why? Just watch the original. Martin Campbell, it doesn't NEED a remake! But I might see it just to see Mel Gibson kiss the vibrator belonging to his characters daughter - if they have the guts to keep that scene in!
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May 01, 2009 6:34:23 PM CDT
Wait - so were all over the fact the guy is an anti-semite?
by cant_stop_yawning
His problem with the Jews, run deep. His old man was a nutjob holocaust denyer, just like Mel - only you have get him juiced before it comes out.
No doubt, the guy has talent, but look into his freakish church/compound and very real try and get a direct answer from him on his views on jews.
As far as I'm concerned, he's like Polanski - talented guy, but I'm not going to see movies by a pedophile and I'm not going to support an unrepentant antisemitic bible thumping drunk.
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May 01, 2009 6:47:09 PM CDT
Mel Gibson to play the nebbish role in Woody Allen's next flick
by azultool
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I cant believe it didnt happen what with all the other 80s action stars coming out for their belated 4th installment (Willis, Ford, Sly)...i mean wasnt it all ready to go with Miller directing again in 2001 or thereabout and without Gibson?? (blasphamous!!..if theres no Mel then theres no Mad Max 4 PERIOD!) then there was something about the war stopping it?
i can understand Gibson not wanting to do another LW as hes already done his belated 4th LW 10 years ago (and that felt like a needless add on...no mullet either! that was as bad as no hair on McClane in DH 4.0...in fact wasnt it fast tracked into production cause Warners had a gap in their summer shedule due to Burtons Superman Lives falling through?)...but Mad Max 4 could have been amazing...funny thing is they tried to make him look older in Road Warrior and Thunderdome with grey hair etc...now he is actually older and beat up looking he dosnt wanna do it??
Surely it can still happen...especially now the aging action man thing is in full flow with Sly & Co doing The Expendables..Mels not that old and while i know hes doing stuff like Edge of Darkness etc he really needs a big fat blockbuster to blast him back to the big time after that drinking episode (imagine being in a car in Malibu that night - pootling about doing 30 on your way home when suddenly MAD MAX roars past at 90 with the cops in hot pursuit!!)... a hard R rated Miller directed Mad Max 4 would blast him back - esp if its more Road Warrior than Thunderdome...(if they were adamant it had to be PG 13..like DH 4, AvP and possibly T4...there would be no point in having Mad Max with his balls cut off.)...oh and not much CGI..I would hope Miller would use CGI only when absolutely necessary (e.g. bringing the apocalyptic wastelands and ruined cities to life)..and NOT FOR ANY STUNTS!! stunts would have to be real...there’d be little point otherwise.
i can see the trailer already... clips of Max from the previous 3 with voice over from MM2 (the grown up ferrel kid...'but most of all..I remember The Road Warrior...he lives now..only in my memories...'...then camara blasts onto a new interceptor (similar to opening MM2 shot) being pursued by battered old cop cars with sirens going...camara zooms in on Gibson at the wheel looking all of his 50 years with stubble and greying hair at the sides..looks p i s s e d off....then showy fast cuts showing stuff like the apocalyptic wastelands, ruined citys, huge gangs in cars and trucks blasting each other in the open highways, max in beat up black leathers blowing scum away with a sawn off..turns to camara and blasts it...dark...then titles come up:
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However, he need to do MM4:)
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You're point makes no sense, dude. The guy is a holocaust denyer, like his old man. For ages, nations have attempted to exterminate the jews. Give Me a bucket of margaritas and he'll tell you he is just fine with that.
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it was for everyone else...a LW 5 is about as anticipated as a Matrix 4 or Pirates 4 or an AvP 3
no - it has to be Max 4..NOT LW 5
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Antisemitic becauses he's a drunk or a drunk because he's antisemitic. Hmmmm. Chicken before the egg I guess.
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Which is worse: The sephardic Jew or the Eastern European Jew? MG: Hmmm, that's a tough one. Those Jews are so sneaky. See, some of the Eastern European Jews can disguise themselves as actual human beings. But, then again, the sephardics can disguise themselves as Mexicans...It's a toss-up!
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lets not forget that shit. But come on, you don't have to be friends with the guy. He's one of the indisputable great talents of his generation. Just watch his movies and if he is ever a dick to you in real life kick him in his fucking nuts. Moral dillema resolved.
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But I'm still not going to support the career of an anti-semite. I guess I'm just nutty that way. Curiously, I also don't support the careers of people I know to be racists or child molesters. Yes, you read that right - I equate holocaust deniers and racists with child molesters. Suck it if you think that's too harsh. I don't.
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I wonder how many of you "sure he's a jew hater, but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy his movies" would say the same for Kramer of Seinfeld. For some reason, that guy is never going to get his career back; he'll simply never be forgiven by a mass audience. But Mel will. I really think that says something ugly about this country (and everywhere else his work remains popular).
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he's back. It's not like he's a politician and had a presser and said those things. He said it,while he was shitfaced and realized the extent to what he's about to go through. I don't want to make excuses for the guy but he got 1000% raked over the coals and lost a ton a money for what happened. And this is coming from somebody that isn't religious in the slightest. But like i said, out there in la la land where the majority of them are that particular creed it isn't surprising how he got blasted sadly.
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And most rational people would agree. Think about it, he went ape shit on a cop. That's it. The guy has paid his price and really people in "middle america" don't really think all that much about it. It's mainly both coasts that continued this story. I remember Ari Emmanuel took up for the head of HBO and stated he didn't deserve to be fired for beating his wife not once but countless times. And harassing other females. But when this Gibson thing came he went batshit crazy on the Huffington Post saying that basically he needed to be blackballed when not a month earlier he wrote on that same site that the dude that got canned for beating that shit out of his wife should have gotten a pass. But afterall,, Ari is Jewish that's not a surprise is it?
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are you high? the man is worth a billion dollars and spent 2 minutes in jail.how has he been raked over the coals? on SNL's weekend update?if someone is a raving anti-semetic asshole, that's one thing. but to be that and then make an inaccurate film about the jews and the crucifixion of Christ? and make a bazillion dollars off it, a shit ton of which was donated to catholic hate groups? that's a whole nother ballgame.
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Be interesting to see if Campbell can get anywhere near that level of paranoid genius. He's developed into a very competent director (BEYOND BORDERS is the only genuinely duff thing he's made), though Troy Kennedy Martin's 1980s script is so complex (everything from nuclear paranoia to police procedural to IRA terrorism to CIA /M16 spy drama to existential angst to ghost story to action adventure to eco-warriorism to classical allusions) that taking the premise from six to two hours is going to be a tall order indeed. Like others have said above; get your hands on the BBC version from the 80s.
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and go out and buy the Edge of Darkness 2-disc set. You think I'm a plant? Everyone who watches that thing automatically becomes a plant. Joe Don Baker puts in one of the ultimate badass performances, and you've also got one of the most beautiful creatures ever made in the form of Joanna Whalley. Bob Peck is fucking stunning, too- I've never seen anyone make it look like there's so much going on beneath the surface of the "stoical lead." Buy it. Buy it now.
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"inaccurate film about the jews and the crucifixion of Christ?" Funniest line in this talkback! Religion is such crap, I wish we could ban it all and just watch good movies together every sunday and any other god-is-resting-today day.
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I am in no way religious, but I'm not getting the hilarious humor of the quote you mentioned by me.also, if you scroll up, you'll see that one dude was attacking me before I even POSTED anything. am I taking crazy pills?the biggest ting Gibson did, by the bye, is eliminate key parts of the biblical account of the trial leading up the crucifixion, where Caiaphas sort of allows Jesus to be killed as a martyr, and reasons that this is the best way to avoid a war, rather than just hateful vindictive jealousy as it's meagerly portrayed in the film.there are other things, but that's a biggie. especially from a raving anti-semitic asshole. pretty hilarious, huh? I know I'M laughing!!I don't buy R-Kelly albums either, since he raped and pissed on an underage girl. I guess that makes me overly sensitive. let these men be! they're famous, right?
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You're not religious, but you get upset by a film ADAPTATION of a thousands of years old book filled with so much crap, mumbo jumbo and incredible stuff it makes Xenu blush (Ok, I dont believe in Xenu either). I DO think it's hilarious that in the year 2009 (sorry to use christ-years but that's all I know) people still believe in this stuff and have the energy to get upset about it.
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Did he piss on her too? Thank "God" his music sucks so I dont have to buy it. You just compared R-Kelly to Mel "Mad Max" Gibson! I love this talkback!
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when you look up at the night sky, remember his name.
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for SHITs sakes folks. all this 80s resurgence and fate is granting us to it one step closer now that mel might go back "below" his stature to make back some lost coin with the missus. lest us not forget ROAD WARRIOR is in the Top 10 of best 80s movies of all fucken time. to this day the only car i want aside from bond's original aston martin is a 1973 remodeled v-8 interceptor.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgbbRnL1XzE
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it's not about religion, it's about HATE. Gibson uses his misguided religious beliefs to promote hatred, same as scientologists use their idiotic beliefs to promote hate. same as the mormons. same as all of them. fundamentalists ALWAYS have to spread hate and fear.I hate HATE. and so I hate Gibson. if you can't tell the difference, then I guess ignorance is bliss.
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May 01, 2009 10:20:16 PM CDT
Mel Gibson is AWESOME, you're the one who sucks.
by steve_guttenbergs_dick_icecream
to anyone who puts down mel gibson on the board. MAD MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and i'm a jew. go figure.
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because of the real-life antics behind the person behind it isn't a real film fan[atic]. Not watching a shit movie because the director's a schwein on the other hand, that's fine.
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Anyone who won't watch a brilliant movie because of the real-life antics of the person behind it isn't a real film fan[atic]. Not watching a shit movie because the director's a schwein on the other hand, that's fine.
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You hate hate and hate Mel Gibson. I love you, man! You and me, we should write comedy together! If you gonna care about the views of the people behind the movies then there aint many movies you can watch. And if you choose to not view a movie cause something someone involved believes, fair enough. But when it comes to religion (and love or hate caused by religious believes), it just find it funny, sorry. I think I will download some R-Kelly now, burn a disc and piss on it.
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so I have to choose between having principles and being a film fan? I think I can be both.hell, if I really wanted to see one of Gibson's shitstorms, I'd buy a ticket to something else and sneak in. but I think overall your argument is pretty weak. would you go buy a car from a KKK auto dealer because they had the best price?
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bullshit hang-ups, and you find that cuts into your enjoyment of the movie, I wouldn't call it a "brilliant movie" (seeing as how you personally wouldn't get much pleasure out of it). I try not to let outside shit enter into my movie-watching experience. Thinking about everything the director or writer or best boy ever did while watching a flick isn't too much different from reading/sending text messages and making twitter updates in the middle of a movie. It ain't the way they're s'posed to be watched, IMO.
I don't watch Larry Clarke movies because I think his personal fucked up fetish infiltrates his movies to the detriment of the movie and the audience. But I will watch Woody Allen and Polanski's movies without thinking about their personal histories for a second, because as far as I know, most of their movies don't feature scene after scene of nubile tween flesh. -
Mel's Goebbels trip does fuck with my enjoyment enough to turn a pretty good movie into something I can't watch without occasionally wanting to headbutt the screen.
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you're missing my point. I don't want to support someone who spews hate and filth. that TRUMPS whatever artistic enjoyment I can get out of a film. if possible, I miss scientology movies and shows, by people like Paul Haggis, Tom Cruise, etc. maybe I'll miss out on some great art, but I can live with myself.
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May 01, 2009 11:09:05 PM CDT
He didn't get on some podium and rant about jews
by steve_guttenbergs_dick_icecream
he said it to cops as he was drunk as he was getting arrested. i blame the media for blowing this shit up in such a childish way. fuck them. i don't give a fuck what mel gibson's drunken oppinion is, i care that he makes a lot of fine movies that stick in my head for years, especially characters like max, riggs and braveheart.
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As in a total junkie for all forms of celluloid crack. Guess that makes me sound like a condescending douchenozzle questioning how much you like movies; but if you need that fix, you need that fix, come hell or high water, no poxy "morals" are gonna hold you back.
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Yeah he did. And that podium was "The Passion of the Christ."
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But it seems the berzerkers got that while Max and the others were still in the compound.
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May 01, 2009 11:53:49 PM CDT
Now that he's getting young pussy, Mel's back in form.
by bob cryptonight
And he calls her "Sugar-Tits" during moments of passion.
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Anyone who's ever been drunk and shitfaced can't possibly have gotten away from saying or doing something stupid! You can't possibly make me believe when you were drunk that you never did ANY of the following: Drunk-dialed people Talked smack about either a person or a group, religious or political Woke up in a strange place and/or jail All of the above
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I personally can't wait to see Mel on screen again, and I'm very happy to learn he's at his best in "Edge of Darkness." It sounds like there's still some decisions to be made about the storyline though, but I'm hoping they get it right! (And fix the parts that dragged a bit, *nods*.)
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(geddit?!) A coupla years go by and you all conveniently forget what's actually in the film but not what was in the tabloids. I may not be a very good Catholic (at all), but whether Gibson is a religious nut or not (he was part of a Charismatic offshoot, not general Catholicism), whether he is anti-Jew or not, the film is NOT.
The other big thing everyone wailed on about was that it didn't tell the WHOLE story of Jesus' life. Never mind there are a hundred OTHER movies that did that! Never mind that this film IS supposed to be about ONE thing. Did no-one read the title? Did everyone forget Jesus WAS a Jew? Fuck!
Maybe it's because I grew up with the "stations of the cross" front and centre, but that's what the film was about, and he succeeded in that. Fucking hell! And I'm agnostic! I like a lot of what you say, Seppy. But hopefully you're just shitstirring... -
when it comes to my opinions on Splatterchrist, as I haven't actually seen it since it came out. I think I remember actually digging it more as a kinda big budget gore flick more than anything else. So you're right, I'm probably remembering all the tabloids more than the actual movie.
Fuck, Gibs at least deserves props for making a movie 100 times more entertaining (and human) than those made-for-TV church-funded bible adaptations you see around Easter time. -
read what I wrote above. you're misinformed, there were a lot of key artistic choices Gibson made that portrayed the Jewish elders in the film in a bad, and biblically innaccurate, light.it has nothing to do with "it's not the whole story"...that is irrelevant.
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Looking forward to this
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The problem with Apocalypto is it the depiction of Mayan civilization is radically off the mark. The rural and urban parts of their empire were well aware of each other and had an intricate trading system. They also didn't sacrifice their citizens en mass. There were aristocratic citizens who were sacrificed, but the general population was not involved. Also, the civilization didn't "choose" to be wiped out, many believe that the population of pre-Columbian America was even larger than previously thought and that the disease brought over by Europeans was even more devastating than previously thought. Basically, the Europeans lucked out.
Imagine Bravehart if Gibson had portrayed the Scotts with French accents and their women wearing tight corsets. William Wallace's headquarters look suspiciously like Versailles. That's about as accurate as Apocalypto was.
However, as I mentioned in my earlier post, I think Gibson can direct action and I like some of his films. Payback is underrated. I would love for him to make a more straight forward action film. His racism has gotten the better of him for the last two films. It's a real shame. -
The 'whole story' thing was a separate but related (and relevant to the unthinking bashing of the film) point, and I wasn't aiming all that directly at you alone. Just so ya know...
Actually the strongest thing I came away with from the film didn't have anything necessarily to do with religion at all - the bits that affected me most were the parts that showed a Mother's love and pain for her son. Whether he was the be-all end-all or not.
Also, whether the Mayan stuff in Apocalypto was accurate or not (I have no idea but have a basic suspicion that it just LOOKED accurate, but still bent everything to the needs of the story), the one thing I found incredibly refreshing (this is pre-Wall-E/post Star Wars 1st act I guess) was that it had the guts to SHOW rather than tell for the first time in ages. Only bits I didn't like were the moments of over-the-top video-looking parts. I know it was in the name of verisimilitude, but I still think it clashed with the general thrust of being back in time. At this moment in film history that stuff is so stigmatised in our subconscious with imagery of fresh ingredients going into fast-food hamburgers andhandheld wildlife docos that I reckon those sort of shutter-angle effects will take a few more years to become part of the cinematic lexicon, just as superlong loopy shots took a decade or more to shed the connotations of a simulator ride. Or I guess crane or especially helicopter shots when they were first introduced. It all takes time... -
GOOD FOR HIM! He's still one of the most badass dudes around. I hope he keeps acting!
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on Passion, which is if anything a love letter to a Jew (Jesus in case you were wondering), you gotta agree that Mel WILL pay. I daresay the hundreds of millions his ex-wife will get (appropriately enough she dumped his arse just after the drunken rampage but kept the separation quiet) will wipe out his hundreds of millions from this movie. See how it all works? Karma eh?
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Really great to hear that he's making a comeback. I don't give two shits about his personal life and as an commanding onscreen presence, he was dearly missed.
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Jews hate Mel because Mel hates them. Mel think they cause all the wars on the planet and are greedy, scheming, Messiah-murdering schmucks. Well, that's what he said that to a traffic cop who pulled Mel over because he was driving Danny Glover's station wagon on the wrong side of the freeway yelling "Freedom!!!!!!!!!" But then, he was very, very, very, very drunk.......
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Blockbuster receipts show that he rented out "Cannibal Holocaust" at least 20 times while he was filming "Apocalypto". He also rented out "Cabaret" twice - only because he likes the songs and the campness, not because of the Nazi sub-plot.
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And the director's cut is a vast improvement on what was already a very fine thriller (albeit with a crappy third act).
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... is Gobbo's father, not Gibbo hismelf. In fact, ti's quite claer to see that Gibbo is embaraced with his father's ideologies and why he refuses to talk about them in public, out of filial respect for the old man. It's very clear the man doesn't want to touch the subject and he always feels contrieved and embaraced whenever that is brought up. I mean, how would you feel and what would you do if that was about your old man?
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In fact, i fucking hate his religious fundamentalism and his deranged mentalist version of catholicism. But there's crap said about the man that is just not right.
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If you've seen the mini-series you're appreciate how integral this 'daughter device' is to the central character arch. Without it the ending would make no sense. Plus it raises the material above the usual thriller. If you thought it unnecessary then either you weren't paying attention, Max, or the film got this wrong. Be interesting for you to watch the mini-series (about the best mini-series of the 80's, with a great Eric Clapton score) and tell us if you still thought the daughter device to be unnecessary.
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try 'Payback'...paycheck was one of the worst films ever made starring Affleck and directed by Woo (the film that really showed the early promise seen in Hard Boiled and Face Off had vanished Jan De Bont style)
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'Mad Max: Apocalypto'...coming this summer...rated R
Mel needs to do Max 4 badly....i mean just say he and Miller did it and it came out and it was a great movie..like Road Warrior...everyone would love Mel again and all the drunk jew rant thing would go from being what hes primairly known for these days to a boring footnote...
the annoying thing seems to be is that Miller seems way up for more Max (even considering making it without Mel..plus doing some CGI max film - who cares about that?) where Mel seems 'meh..i might do Lethal Weapon 5 one day if i can be bothered but no to doing another film with signature iconic role that made me famous'....
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Thanks for correcting my blunt, stupid mistake. I must had been insane when i wrote that! Mistaking Payback with Paycheck. That's unexcusable!!! Thanks for correcting me, man. Now i have some heavy duty redemption to do. That was absolutly amateur of me! Fuckin' ass!
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Ok, Mel is still youngish, he's not old yet, but man, is it still worth making another Mad Max movie? I suspect if they made one now, it would be an abortion like Indy 4: The Quest For Easy Box Office By Pimping Nostalgia. Man, everytime i feel nostlagic and longing for a Mad Max movie, i just put the first and second movie on the DVD player and that does it. At this time, i think a Mad Max 4 movie might not be the brightest idea, and might very well be a path to great disapointment... like that fucking Indy 4: Nuking The Motherfucking Fridge bullshit!
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You are a disgrace to your own people. DO NOT SUPPORT ANTI-SEMITISM in ANY form. Mel Gibson is an anti-semite. he should be driven from Hollywood like the miscreant he truly is. i dont give a fuck that he made Passion Of The Christ. if Hitler had made it, i wouldnt suddenly say 'oh its okay then' about his views. Gibson is an evil man - an anti-semite who disguises himself as a supporter of the jews. he needs to be vanquished.if you see this movie YOU are supporting anti-semites everywhere. think, for fuck sake.
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I'll watch this movie because i want to help Martin Campbell have a long, fruitful career made of hit movies. I own him that much for, at the very list, his excelent works on GoldenEye, The Mask Of Zorro and Casino Royale.There's more to a movie then just the poster star, you know?
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i feel very sorry for you with your way of thinking. i also am envious that you manage to live inside a fictional world of your own creation where people who support the killings of millions are okay because they are in a movie made by a director you like. your time will come when judgement day arrives. it will and you will remember this day.
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May 02, 2009 5:24:37 AM CDT
meanwhile the rest of us live in the real world
by richard_gere_raped_my_gerbil
if only we could all blindly stumble around like asimovlives! if only we could pretend the world is something that IT IS NOT.
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He'll make a great Nazi leader.Git to Goosesteping!
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Yeah, I have to agree - you are a douchebag; few of reasons; first, Mask of Zorro? Really? I mean no one can dispute Casino Royale's greatness, but seriously... second, specifically because of Casino Royale, Campbell will be gauranteed work for many years to come. check out imdb - he has plenty in the pipeline already.
More importantly - when anyone makes a racist or bigoted remark, they need to be heald accountable - if they can't account for it (and Gibson never has and never will because it is fundamental to his whacked out brand of Catholic hate mongering) then the only thing to do is make it known that their behavior is unacceptable and their work will no longer be supported. To do otherwise is to tacitly endorse their fucked up beliefs. Your sad fanboy desire for cinematic gratification is a pathetic excuse. "I loved Mask of Zorro therefore I'll go run see whatever, even if it features a holocaust denying alcoholic womanizing hypocrite scumbag nut case" - cheers, ass... -
Of course It will turn out to be just another hilarious Jew Bashing joke. Mel will sneak that old Hitler fav "Triumph of the Will" on instead to an audience of fat, evil lizards, I mean Jews.
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The doesn't support the killing of jews, he just says that the amount of jews killed, 20 million, is grossly exagerated. Jewish lobbies ARE infact responsible for a vast majority of wars, when you consider the influence they have over the american government plus, considering mels comments came hot on the heals of israel killing thousands of women and children in lebanon and palestine (it was clearly world news) then Mel getting drunk, pulled over by a jewish cop... yup the guy had some things to say. consider also mel has worked in hollywood the last 30 years - a place run by jews - he's allowed to have his opinion. jews are so up themselves. does that make me anti-semetic? no. i just call it like it is. so does Mel. get off his back. the man is awesome!
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you pathetic, hunchback, fanboy shut-ins are masturbating over the prospect of LW9 and MM12.
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who goes in the grinder this time?
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i love how Mr Super Catholic is now getting a divorce..
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Dude, his comments had nothing to do with the slaughter in Palestine. Look into his background - his father was a vocal anti-semite and so is mel. And you know what - based on your comments - you are most certainly are an anti-semite yourself. If you had made the same sort of comments about african americans and followed it up with "but that doesn't make me rascist", i think we all know how that would have gone over. please do us all a favor and die in a fire.
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flick apoo, cant_stop_yawning, bad mr wonka, richardgere raped my gerbil all need to be educated again as you got so many things wrong. For one thing the Jewish population of Germany( plus the handicapped, gay and other people the germans didn’t like) are not the only race of people who have been nearly wiped out in genocide, you all need to start paying attention to the world and its history. Also the British people lived as slaves for hundred of years and were killed all the time under the rule of the Romans so we could mention that but we won’t. Which ever one of you had a go at someone saying they will be judged in the rapture, in what way can you have a go at Mel Gibson when you have just happily said someone on here is going to be killed for a point of view on this website that makes you no better than the person your having a go at…IDIOT. Right so why don’t you all just stop being righteous bellends and start using what the talkbacks are here for FILMS and other COOL stuff.
P.S. does anyone on here actually care if someone has the first post and only puts first or am I the only one who thinks that its pointless.
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May 02, 2009 7:43:26 AM CDT
Slingshot - I don't think even you know what you're saying...
by cant_stop_yawning
Wow...I mean - seriously, wow - you're going to "educate" us?
wtf are you trying to say with "you all need to start paying attention to the world and its history"? Of course their are countless extermination campaigns we can point to (e.g. Rwanda, Bosnia, Darfur, etc.).
Also, who denied that British - like just about every group at some time or another - had once been enslaved by some other group? What does that have to do with anything? How does boycotting a nutcase anti-semite, hypocrite, religous zealot like mel gibson detract from or deny any of the other atrocities throughout history? that's right - it doesn't. on the contrary, rejecting bigotry anywhere strengthens the case for justice everywhere.
As for the rapture comment, i didn't make it so i needn't defend it.
And on your childlike summary, I'm fine with "films" and "cool stuff" - but not if they feature pigs like gibson. as a mentioned earlier, if this talkback concerned kramer from seinfeld, i think we would see a very different tone to the discussion. all of you clowns who want to side-step race hate so you can relive your dumbass childhood memories of lethal weapon have my pity. -
for completely failing to differentiate between the British and the English. Thanks for completely over-reacting and taking my post out of context. Please quote the part of my post where I said the British were threatened with genocide – why would you even come up with something like that? The point I was trying to make was that Mel Gibson made anti-English films and everybody was fine with it. It was only when he made anti-Semitic comments that everybody jumped on their moral high horse. Which if you think about it, says much more about their prejudices than it does about Gibson’s. Anti-English = fine in Hollywood, Anti-Semitic = oh my God let’s all completely freak out. The people who chastise Gibson for being anti Semitic but don’t chastise him for being anti-English are just as prejudice as he is. Bigotry is still bigotry regardless of who it’s directed at.
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In both Braveheart and the Patriot England was the aggressor - and a vicious one at that. Are you really suggesting we should some how pity the English given the context of either of these films? You can't equate Gibson's denial of the calculated slaughter of millions of Jews with the (perhaps) overly violent depiction of of the the American Revolutionary War in the Patriot or the war of Scottish Independance in Braveheart.
If anyone wants to make a movie about Israel's outrageous treatment of the Palestinians (or the Roman's or Viking's treatment of the varied tribes of England), I'll be the first to buy a ticket, but none of that changes the fact I've got no stomach for those who deny the holocaust or harbor thinly veiled hatred of any group because of their screwed up religious beleifs.
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You claiming you live in the real world was the laugh of the day.
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I always end up coming back to this site when people are talking shit about historical stuff.
Ok, here we go again. NOT gonna make a big historical lecture like I usually do. Normally I get dragged into it. I'll simply say that Braveheart was not only racist but historically incorrect.In gact it's bullshit.
AND the English weren't the aggressors. It said that in the movie. In reality, the Saxions invaded the south of England, worked their way up, were promised Scotland, then fought the scots when they weren't given it.
Saxons. Not English.
The Northern English meanwhile, were victims of the Saxons AND of Scottish raids, by the likes of William Wallace, whose family weren't murdered & who didn't give a fuck about "FREEEEEEDOM".
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I wrote quick, because I didn't wanna end up writing a ten paragragh history lecture. I'm tired. My subject of expertise is war & propaganda. For some reason people like to talk shit about it & I feel compelled to impart facts. But recently I can't be bothered anymore.
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If i had to stop watching movies that had anoying stupid gits at leads, i guess i would had to stop watching movie, period. Beleive it or not, but i'm the kind of guy who watches movies because of directors, no stars. If the movie proves intriguing, i'm there. This one seems intriguing. I watched I Am Legend because i wanted to see what Fancis Lawrence would come up with, and not because of Will Smith, a star i fucking despise. I can watch a movie with a star i don't like if there's an interesting director or story to tell.If i knew that i would helping Martin Campbell's career more by buying the original TV show DVD then watching this movie, then i would buy the DVD. All i care about this movie is that Martin Campbell directed it. Who stars in the lead role is, frankly, incidental to me. Directors make me watch a movie, not stars. Deal with it.
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And the funniest thing is that the real history concerning William Wallace and the people and times he lived in is far more interesting and would make a much better movie then what we got with that movie, which, it is worth remembering, was writen by the same writer of Pearl Harbor. And it shows.
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Yes England was the aggressor IN THE FILMS. The key part there is 'IN THE FILMS'. Most historians agree that both Braveheart and The Patriot hold very little historical accuracy. Gibson chose to deliberately ignore history in order to portray the English as aggressively and as you said 'vicious' as possible. I didn't equate that to the holocaust. The point I’m trying to make is that Gibson was awarded an Oscar for making an anti-English film yet publically chastised for making anti-Semitic comments. Why is that? Why are some forms of racism acceptable in Hollywood and others not?
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Braveheart & The Patriot were pretty unfair to the English, but then so are a lot of American movies.
Look at a typical action movie. From the late 80's/early 90's onwards, it was no longer PC to have Russians or Arabs as bad guys, so they chose the English. Mainly very posh, well spoken English people.
The reason is, usually they want American audiences to feel superior to the bad guy. A very well spoken Englishman however, makes the audience feel like the little guy. The underdog.
To be honest, I got used to it, until Titanic, which was a far more racist movie. Not only did they have people locked in cages (which NEVER happened), but they made the biggest hero of the disaster into the main bad guy. When you consider the fact that the movie was promoted on how well researched it was, how everything looked exactly like the real ship etc, there's no way they didn't know that guy was the big hero. You can't turn one or two pages of a book about the Titanic without seeing him named as the hero.
They chose him specifically, which is just fucking twisted.
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Being anti-english is xenophobia, not racism. There's no "english race". And it's no hidden secret that Mel Gbison doesn't like english much. I think he must still have some of that "my scotish ancestors were pissed upon by the englishand i'm mad at that" scotish emigrant type grunge against the english. I might also remind you that he grew up in Australia, and there's a strong anti-english sentiment there as well, though i have to add that's reciprocated, since the english make fun of australians all the time.
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I know where you're coming from. For example, I noticed a comment above saying he's evil for being anti-semetic. I doubt anyone would use the word "Evil" if he anti anyone else.
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The Scots never were pissed upon by the English. It was the Saxons. It stayed that way, until KIng James unified the country. He was a Scot. It's selective memory.
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I'm guilty of being anti-the english language! My typing is atrocious!
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I get what you're saying about the banter between the English and Australians but that's all it is, a bit of banter, light-hearted making fun of each other. It's not like they've ever been at war with each other (well unless you count Rugby and Cricket) There's a huge difference between that and making a movie that deliberately ignores history in order to present one group of people as negatively as possible - and then being celebrated for it! Gibson having a bee in his bonnet because of how his ancestors might have been treated hundreds of years ago is not an acceptable excuse. I wonder what the reaction would have been had an English director made a movie that presented Australians or Americans the same way that Braveheart presented the English? Somehow I doubt they’d be handing out the Oscars. It’s like The Dark Shite said – it’s no longer PC in Hollywood to have the Russians or the Arabs as the bad guys so they have a go at the English instead.
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to your last post in the other talkback...
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Totally disagree on you take on "Evil" - on the contrary, again, if he harbored a hatred of black people, or claimed that slavery was overblown i think this whole discussion would have gone a different direction. Reread BendersShinyAss' comments and tell me that kind of stereotypical crap would have gone over if we had been talking about african americans or latin americans.
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I read it. First of all, I should point out that I'm no Gibson apologist. As I said earlier, I'm basically well read on war & propaganda.
The one thing that stuff teaches you is that any form of that kind of hatred is clearly wrong.
I also understand that such rhetoric was the kind of thing that led to such atrocities being committed in WWII & I know the figure of dead Jews is true. That much is a given. But I also wouldn't go so far as to say he' evil. Hitler was evil. There's a difference.
As for racism. I hate the very notion of people being labelled as anti-this or that. "You don't agree with Bush's policy in Iraq? Oh! You're Anti-American" etc.
If people like me follow that line, I get caught between extremes on both sides. Far better to try to take an objective view, which is what I try to do.
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I think Mel Gibson is a prick. I saw a documentary about his upbringing & it was right wing & seemed pretty fucked up to me.
On the other hand, not so long ago, Will Smith was forced to aplogise by an angry Jewish community. Why?
Well, I can't think of his exact quote right now, but his comments essentially meant something along the lines of Hitler not being some crazed cartoonesque bad guy cackling in the corner & that he probably thought of himself as a good guy. They made him retract his words, essentially saying "Sorry, he was an evil cartoon guy."
Was Hitler an evil prick? Undoubtedly. But human beings aren't like the movies. What Will Smith said was true, of Hitler AND of any bad guy throughout history. We're all capable of good & bad & usually don't think we're doing something wrong, yet he was forced to apologise, because if he didn't, he'd be villainised, when he actually made a harmless point, probably whilst answering questions about acting.
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You mention me by name to bring me into the conversation you were having with someone else, so I reply & i'm left as the last guy on a thread, talking politics that I was never keen to talk about. Thanks mate:-).
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... but anyone that old that can get such a gorgeous lady as a girlfriend or whatever man you gotta kinda respect that in a dirty old man kind of a way I suppose. Damn!
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... but anyone that old that can get such a gorgeous lady as a girlfriend/mistress or whatever man you gotta kinda respect that in a dirty old man kind of a way I suppose. Damn! Speaking of dirty old men hows Harry going with scriptgirl?? Ah its 2am and i'm in a smartarse kind of a mood. Sorry. Ahem.
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& I'm always in a smartarse kinda mood. He got her because he's got enough money to buy the world.
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If you wrote a long winded post, that means thre's mroe to read, which means more pleasure. Godo job, mate.
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"Thou shalt go forth and bang with the full fury and lust contained in thy loins the first Slavic 30 something year old beauty thou shalt find" (1st Richguy; 3:30)Really though..Mel often does quality work.
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May 02, 2009 12:22:54 PM CDT
CANT STOP YAWNING there are always two side to every story you d
by slingshot
Cant Stop Yawning dude for a start read what people are writing here and think them over before you respond, then you might actually reply with a valid point. Right what first oh yes when I said you all need to be educated again where did it say I was going to put on my teachers hat and has you all sit in my little classroom teaching you guys the history of the world and if you got it wrong cane the shit out of you. Where did I say that?? The bit you say about boycotting a nutcase anti-Semite, hypocrite, religious zealot or any denier of other atrocities through out history is a valid point and you have the right to free speech but let me say as I am entitled that I don’t know the whole story and I presume you don’t either and the fact that your going off all the bullshit you get in the media doesn’t strengthen your case for justice. Yes the world would be a better place to live with out these idiots but how about educating them and changing their minds. For all you know Mel Gibson might have just said what he said while drunk for the first and last time in his life. The fact is you don’t know what happened or what he thinks so yes you are entitled to your opinion and yes he my actually be an anti Semite but you can not judge a human being on a one time occurrence of what they said. He did not commit a crime here he might even have changed his views because of that drunken moment so get off your high moral horse you fucking blowjob. Just the same as Kramer might have even changed his mind over what he said in the comedy club you never know he might even become a respectable civil rights spokesman BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND. Also to pity people because they get joy out of their childhood memories of films like lethal weapon and back to the future makes me think that maybe my question earlier was more apt than I thought. Which uncle was it or was it your folks cause you seem to be have a lot of anger there dude and if you believe people can’t change then there is equally no hope for you either.
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Is just jealous of the JEW.
Cause the JEW runs America and Hollywood. Right?
Its so transparent in your post.
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May 02, 2009 12:24:24 PM CDT
BendersShinyAss Love Jew Cum on his moms chin
by britney spears rusted clit ring
Plus if the JEW ran Hollywood and America wouldnt the JEW jus squash all the anti-semetic-ness?
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for his fathers personal beliefs, and maybe even his own, and are refusing to see his movie because of it.Yet these folks would gladly line up to see a Woody Allen or Roman Polanski film.I suspect if you dug deep enough into most Hollywood folks personal lives/backgrounds, you'd likely never step foot into a cinema again.
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I's almost 4 in the morning here - and I'm not going to touch this again with a ten-foot poll! ;)
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We(USA) treat Israel like the 51st state when it comes to everything. They get us into more trouble w/ our undying support. It doesn't matter if people in the gov. are dems or repubs. They both placate them. But when you have folk that run the media, reporters, directors, actors, writers, etc. you get lambasted for making a mistake in a private conversation. I said it earlier: it wasn't like he was giving a presser and said those things. He was drunk and was getting a dui and knew the impact it would have on his reputation. If you think the majority of actors or for that matter people in power don't act such as he did ie treating the person badly then you're deluging yourselves. Hell, just recently look what Bale did to his DP. He carved that guy in half going on and on and Christian was sober as a judge. I'm just saying if you think the majority of these folks in power don't demean underlings then I got some Amway for you.
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"Right what first oh yes when I said you all need to be educated again where did it say I was going to put on my teachers hat and has you all sit in my little classroom teaching you guys the history of the world and if you got it wrong cane the shit out of you."
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May 02, 2009 1:43:29 PM CDT
it's hilarious how obvious the mentalities here are getting
by badmrwonka
honestly, how many of you are going to drop in to say, "now, I know Mel is a prick, but the Jews DO control everything. and he's not saying the holocaust didn't exist, just that the death toll was exaggerated. and he was drunk, who HASN'T admitted they believe in a Zionist conspiracy when they're drunk? am I right? and also, he made a movie with historical inaccuracies before, so that means he's not hateful! he's been through enough! Mel is awesome!"it's fucking ridiculous. when you try to twist around sideways to find a way to say that you believe the Jews control the world, WITHOUT sounding like a paranoid conspiracy theorist AND an anti-semite, you just look foolish. if you're on Mel's side, great. have some beers, cheat on your wife, and go yell at a cop in Malibu about Jewish conspiracies.but you can't have your cake and eat it too. you can't make your point on here and not have the rationally minded people on here think you're a fucking asshole.because, you know...you are.
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And if you work in Hollywood than Jews do control your world. That is, I have heard anecdotally and have never actually worked in Hollywood, but it seems like he was drunk and complaining about work. And Jews do not boycott his movies now, having heard that he is an anti-semite they are fascinated by him and are interested in anything he has to say (freud was a Jew, that's just how they roll).
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If Mel Gibson hunts the 'Deadliest Game' (A jew) in the forest with a bow and arrow. And, took the catch home, cleaned and gutted the body, prepared and consumed it. Is that considered cannibalism? I mean, we all know that he is, but he considers a Jew to be subhuman. Therefore, in his reality, it's just like eating an elk or a hyena...I'm just saying.
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asimov, the Max character can be played by an older scruffy Mel Gibson still, even in Road Warrior they made it a point to whiten some of his hair, the stress of the wasteland takes a toll on him. Unlike a 65 year old Harrison Ford being Indiana Jones, a character who is basically like a modern day Tarzan swinging around shit, now that was a joke and yet they still did it. Max isn't exactly that physical anyway what with his leg brace, and Mel is still in his early 50s unlike grampa Ford, and really though the whole point is him behind the wheel shredding cars up or shooting shit with his sawed off shotgun. make this shit happen Miller gawdammit. oh and that kiddy disney nonsense of Beyond Thunderdome wasn't even Miller's doing, it was producer Kennedy's idea who's now dead so fuck him, George Miller was always more about the octane car culture of MM1 and 2.
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fair point dude. I will work on my grammer
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Have the bad guys learned nothing from "Mad Max", "Lethal Weapon 2", "Braveheart", "Payback" or "The Patriot"?
But seriously, I'm a huge Gibson fan and really looking forward to his comeback. Nobody brings emotionally charged performances to action/thriller roles as good as Mel. -
Don't forget about "Ransom': GIVE ME BACK MY HOLOCAUST DENYING SON! heehee
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Max 4 NEEDS to happen...in the next couple of years...Mel must get pissed off when he sees Willis and Ford and Sly etc etc having big successes and being all popular again with their belated forth installments...he needs something like Max 4...(not another LW though...hes done the belated 4th installment of that)
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Probably wont happen unless some hot director whos an 'Escape from NY/LA' nut gets handed the keys to the series or champions another film and manages to sweet talk Russell back and Carpenter to produce/lend his name...someone like Tarintino or Eli Roth.…
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i dont mean the Escape from NY reboot that was almost made with Ratner or Wiseman directing Butler as Snake...im talking a full on 'Escape From..part 3' with Russel as Snake
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who the fuck cares if he hates fucking jews? A lot of ppl hate the jews. I'm not saying it's okay to hate them but who cares? A lot of ppl hate a lot of people Who are we to judge someone because of how they feel?
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Yeah thats right, I'm JEALOUS of the jews. They run everything. the media, the movie studios, the governments... yup, thats power i want all to myself. now don't say anything bad about me or I'll cut you down for being anti-bender And no im not anti-semetic, only jews point the finger and call people that - usually when you mention anything jew related that isn't in all praise of the cunts. oh no, did i just call them cunts? hey i think most people are cunts. get over it. am i conspiratard? no damnit i read the world news. "where did you get it??" i hear the voices in the distance asking "From the internet????" like thats going to cut down my argument Look, i don't care what mel gibson think of jews. but I'll tell you what i don't like about him... his catholic tendencies in his films. that shit really pisses me off. actually ill tell you who i really don't like is those fags who come here and drive cabs... but only cause they don't know the fucking road rules. good thing there was no slaughter of them, otherwise I'd be labled as a sympthiser, right? bunch of fucking dicks.
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sadly I think Ray Winstone could easily act circles around him these days...
as for Melvyn, I think he makes a far better director than actor - I'm a little over his shtick which he somehow manages to put into every single character he plays, whether it be Hamlet, Max, Riggs, Wallace, or whomever... -
how many people have met Mel Gibson?
show of hands?
you people can talk about his private life all you like
as for the rest of us - like the guy above said - turn off the E channel and you will enjoy your movies a lot more!
FFS people deciding they're gonna boycott films coz of what their fucking TV told them? it's like all those people who cried when Princess Diana was killed - come on! They're just faces you see on your TV screen or in magazines! You interact with them in your daily lives... exactly ZERO times! Get upset with the guy who mows your lawns who called his kid Adolph, or the girl down the street who called you a prick behind your back, but come on! Stop pretending like the people on the fucking screen are REAL - they exist in a world that is 99% created by YOUR IMAGINATION
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Gibson is slayed from the very shit that comes out of his mouth...that bullshit wont work.
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May 02, 2009 9:40:37 PM CDT
Just for the record Mel Gibson did NOT laugh during Scindler's L
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He jacked-off during it.
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who would win?
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Martin Campbell > Marc Forster
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is that we're willing to forgive mel gibson for some of the things he's done and said, but we just can't get over tom cruise, scientology, and his stint on oprah. so, when we talk about trying to not let an actor's personal life get in the way of the films they make, tom cruise is the ultimate example. his personal life got in the way of his screen personas, and it takes you out of the experience. that's a big part of what's wrong with hollywood today. that's mostly due to tabloids and junk shows like tmz and hollywood whores like perez hilton. but what it really all comes down to for this specific comparison, and why we're willing to forgive mel more than tom is simple, mel is a far superior actor, has made far better films, and he killed gary busey.
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I think I'd given up before you replied. I had a quick look on other threads before I left though.
Turns out the guy who made me waste my time with a well thought out reply, had already fucked off to another thread, saying "I wanna see hostel style violence done to Nazis."
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's acting career ... great news!!!!! I didn't even know about this movie. Loved Apocalypto but definitely ready for a mystery/revenge Gibson flick.
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This stuff is from last night. I'm here nursing a hangover & checking responses to various threads.
I don't think it's a case of people going crazy, so much as some people being weird & obsessed with supposed hidden Nazis & drunk people replying to them:-). -
Seriously I missed him. Can't wait to see this film.
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what if you're drunk AND obsessed with hidden Nazis?(this guy!)
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but it doesn't matter - I'm just a figment of your imagination - and I don't believe what that girl said about you behind your back
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That was funny!
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Take some hair of the dog for me. In retrospect I was right to leave it alone this time, I probably would have made another sensationalist analogy - "poll"?! I meant pole. And oh the irony of being drunk in this TB!
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May 03, 2009 10:00:38 AM CDT
I LOVE DENIRO BUT HE'S LOST HIS ABILITY TO OCCUPY A CHARACTER
by bringingsexyback
I'm sure everyone agrees. He's great in the Meet The movies but put him up with Mel Gibson, it would be distracting. Sugar tits FTW!!!
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Edward Lonshanks might have been a tyrant to the Scots, but to the English he was a hero who regularly beat up the Welsh and spent a lot of time kicking the shit out of Muslims in the crusades, so back in the day, he was one of the boys. He also didn't like jews very much because he made them wear gay yellow badges (something Hitler borrowed from), so was surprised Mad-Mel didn't make him out to be more heroic than he did in the movie Braveheart.
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I dropped out of the discussion to go have a life for awhile; i'd made my essential point around a dozen times so and was starting to bore myself into submission. (Btw, I'm not jewish and yes, I'll be looking forward to inglorious basterds because i dig qt, pitt and movies about killing nazis).
Dark Shite - you make some good points; agree with you about the Will Smith incident - he clarified what he was saying and it made sense to me and I didn't think the apology was necessary and yes, jewish groups can and do overreact. Totally with you on that. Doesn't change my position on Mel.
Slingshot - please stop posting to me on this or any other subject; I've made my point clear and you still aren't getting much of anything; i'm not trying to be mean but you have an almost uncanny ability for misunderstanding people.
You started out your previous post telling everyone who disagreed with you that they "all need to be educated". I honestly don't think you are bright enough or well enough informed to be making this suggestion, but no where in my response to you did i say anything about "...a little classroom...". I don't even know what that whole thing was about. Also, yes - work on the grammar.
Next, Mel didn't make one comment - he has made other comments and his anti semitism has come up in his freakish church and is manifest in the overrated jesus movie he directed. If you don't know the whole story, do some research - start by looking into his dad's background and move on from there.
Finally, I don't pity you for your cherished childhood memories - and I made this point before as well and clearly, but I'll do it again for the understanding impaired - i pity you feeling that your love of Mel's movies (no one here mentioned back to the future - no idea where you got that) is reason enough to overlook bigotry. If you don't get what I just wrote, read it again and repeat until it sinks in.
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...or Greatest jew hating director?
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A man wakes up. He's dressed in a fine grey suit. But his hair is ruffled & he stinks of piss. He realises that he's slumped in the corner of an abandoned warehouse.
His nose twitches..he can smell meat. He reaches out & grabs a chunk of fried chicken. He bites into it, uncontrollably, almost animaistically. Just then, a homeless guy smakc him in the mouth.
Homeless guy: "Hey that's my chicken you sausage faced mother fucker!"
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smakc? This site really needs an edit button.
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sorry for the long delay, missed your response waaay above somehow. Actually, as luck would have it, I'm actually fairly well informed about Pre-Columbian Amerindian culture and history. And you are quite correct to point to each one of those inaccuracies (the most troubling being the human sacrifice thing, which definitely has a troubling whiff of stereotyping about it). On the other hand, I feel like its worth suspending my disbelief in order to watch one of the best action movies I've seen in the last decade unfold. Mel feely admitted in interviews that the film's portrayal of sacrifices is pure "speculation" (ie, a load of action movie bullshit) but come on, how accurate is "Bridge over the River Kwai" either? Besides, what the movie lacks in big history, it gets right in a fairly acceptable recreation of everyday life, complete with a fairly competant swing at language, dwellings, art, etc, which deftly humanizes the characters (Well, the forrest-dwellers, anyway) as human, unique, and distinctly non-stereotypical. Yes, it bugs me that they seem to have no knowledge of the city folk or any real contact with other villages. But the underlying reality of their day-to-day life makes it feel like a legit attempt at having your cake (historical realism) and eating it too (creating a crazy bugnuts psycho apocalyptic action meta-level film). This is especially forgivable (for me) because the subject is so shamefully unexplored in serious modern cinema. I'd love to see more films about the period which focused on different things and created a more whole picture than Apocalypto does. As it stands, in my estimation the film is a really bold and unique, albeit highly fictionalized, look at a time and place which ought to have other cultural reference points but which, as of now, does not.
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In the saga of his life, it was clear that some Jewish extremists cast the first stone by making libelous charges of racism during the making of Passion. They sought to deny him his freedom of speech and expression in making the film because they felt threatened, they tried to ban the film. If Mel Gibson is a racist, they were the ones who made him so.
No matter his personal views (which are insignificantly mild when you read what he actually said, instead of listening to the propaganda), you can't deny his genius, his talent. I might not like what Jewish filmmakers say about Gentiles in private, but that won't stop me from enjoying their work if their work entertains.
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I thought let's have a bit of fun. I guess I was trying to change the subject from politics, into something a bit more suited to a supposedly geeky site.
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You've condemned Mel Gibson throughout this talkback but have never made the slightest case as to why you hate him so much. You mention his father as though that were reason enough to hate the son.
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Is that most of the people on here whining about Gibosn being a jew hater (as if they have never said something stupid while drunk) probably support anti-israel/pro-palestine policies which will lead to a second holocost, this time a nuclear one. Hate to be Mr. Obvious guy, but you know...
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Sigh - just reread my comments - I and others here have been pretty clear actually; Mel has a history of anti-semitic comments that are documented on the web - google mel gibson antisemitic or anti jew or some variation thereof and you get over 100K hits. You might want to try a google news search as well. You may want to read his "apology" in his well documented Diane Sawyer interview.
Among the things you will learn when you do some research (which no one here seems to want to do) is that aside from his tirade, and aside from the fact that he still contends that jews started all the wars, he's founded a nutso church which adheres to his father's brand of crack pot old time religion. His father, by the way, was a raging and unapologetic anti-semite who Mel, to this day, when asked about his father's beliefs has responded repeatedly and succinctly - "my father never told me a lie". There is also the Passion movie which takes a particularly selective (and anti-jewish) view of the bible's account and is believed and felt my many in the jewish faith to be stealth antisemitism (a view with which I agree).
Mel also has a history of making homophobic remarks btw (again, look it up - there is plenty of info out there). He also has a history of misogyny and infidelity and of being a drunk despite his holier than thou attitude.
I've pretty much made all these points earlier and, as I also said, though a great director he may well be, I'm not going to support his work anymore than I would support Polanski - an avowed pedophile.
So like I said, I'm new jewish (I'm also not gay and I'm not a woman and I'm not a catholic) but I'm still not going to endorse bigots simply because I have fond memories of Mad Max, Braveheart, Year of Living Dangerously (a film I don't think anyone here has mentioned) Galipoli (sp?) Braveheart and others.
Do some research - if you disagree or don't care - fine.
Russel Crowe was a dick for throwing that phone and Christian Bale apparently has rage issues, but at least they have come out (in some cases repeatedly) an unequivocally apologized, so I don't have a problem seeing there movies. Mel has done nothing but equivocate on every charge against him and that, I beleive, is because he really isn't sorry for anything other than the lousy pr he's received.
(If all this is over your head, then just check out South Park's "Passion of the Jew" episode").
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i believe gibson apologized to the jewish community and chilled with some rabbis after that incident.
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read my previous response; it isn't an incident, it is a pattern, and it isn't one problem, but many. many talented people are crazy to varying degrees - mel sets a new standard (i think cruise does as well, but that is a different story).
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that guy just works within one range all the time, only stretching a smidge when needed, not that i'm against those type of actors, some of my favorite are 1-note actors who play themselves like arnold, clint, connery, but thats because i like each one's persona. but deniro's toughguy routine "u lookin at me" gets annoying and jarring after a while. he cant stretch, even now in older age he's still doing mob movies. that's why i always liked the oftcompared Pacino, the versatile type actor, in the 70s/early 80s he was unmatched. in the 90s his yellfest period was annoying. but now he seems to be doing shakespeare and that dali picture which is better for his older age.
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not so... look back at DeNiro's resume... he used to take a variety of interesting and diverse roles and apply a very serious method acting to them. Unfortunately, in about the mid-90s he began a series of lazy parodies of his tough guy type character (which up till then was still just a part of his range... watch things like Frankenstein, Jackie Brown, the mission, Brazil, etc, to demonstrate a variety of roles... his mob guy persona is really just a part of his collaborations with Scorcese). I would say the last film he did any real acting at all in would be his sly "fixer" role in "Wag the Dog" back in '96. I would imagine that all the method acting would wear you down after awhile, so I don't doubt that he's putting less effort in than he used to, but I wish he would go for a real role just every once in awhile, and really commit to it.
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Whose body of work keeps up with them? Yes, DeNiro's list of credits have gotten worse and worse, and his performances have gotten staler and staler, but look at all of his contemporaries from the 70s: Pacino, Nicholson,Hackman, Hoffman, Duvall, etc. All of them became "stagnant" after awhile. In fact, look at the greatest actor of the previous generation - Marlon Brando. By the end of his career almost every performance he did felt just lazy and one dimensional.
Strangely enough, I think the reason why all these guys have faltered from their previous levels is because the are all real actors. That is what propelled them to success, not their looks or presence. They became stars because they were such good actors, which is much different from career path that John Wayne, Clint Eastwood or Sly Stallone took. And because we associate them with acting instead of just an image, it is harder for them to stay interesting in the public eye. Some actors have been able to transform themselves into just an image – Jack and to some degree DeNiro – but none of them have the kind of identifiable image that a Eastwood or John Wayne has.
And that is also what makes Clint Eastwood or Stallone so interesting after all these years. We know what their image is and what they are supposed to represent – they are icons of certain genres and ideas. And now they can actually play against their own image in ways that Nicholson, DeNiro, Pacino or Hoffman never could.
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While I agree with much of your post about 'great actors' and their body of work, I think you need to add a caveat: This applies only to present day actors. When you introduced Wayne into the argument, you opened the door to his contemporaries. Of which Spencer Tracy, Henry Fonda, and James Stewart were. Tracy is widely regarded as the greatest screen actor of his generation - the same as Waynes. Tracy never dropped off in quality performances throughout his very long and storied career. The same can almost be said for Fonda - he did have a slight dip in the late sixties, but most of that was in Europe. Stewart retired and his legacy remained intact. But your argument, as sound as it is, fails to reckon with the driving motivation behind the decline of the 'great actors'. It is simply: Money. Olivier himself, the greatest stage actor of his generation, and one helluva screen force, admitted that his later career was simply about amassing as much money as possible. To hell with his 'legacy'. Indeed his legacy could never really be tarnished because anyone who saw his Wuthering Heights or Hamlet or even Marathon Man, could never deny the talent. The same goes with Deniro and Pacino and Hoffmann.
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No, I realized after I posted my comments I left out the Golden Age actors. But I will say this, while some of them were very good actors (especially Tracy and Fonda) the studios back then were looking for screen presence more than acting chops. Paul Muni was a great screen actor, but lacked charisma and disappeared after awhile because of that. Tracy and the others had great screen presence, charisma AND could act. Of course, when I say they can act I have to add that pretty much every Golden Age actor was limited in his range – they were cast for type not because of range. Only rarely would you have someone like Edward G. Robinson who, while associated with gangster films, also manages to cover a pretty good range of roles.
The thing about the New Hollywood actors, many of whom were Method actors, is that they didn’t have the classic leading man good looks and even the screen presence that some of the past actors had. They brought something much more real than previous generations, but after that novelty was gone they couldn’t be used just as an icon like Fonda, Stewart, Wayne or Mitchum could be. Just my opinion, but I think what made a lot of the 60’s and 70’s actors great – the veracity - also worked against them when audience couldn’t see them as really being just like them and started recognizing them as stars.
But I also think Money does have a big part in it. Almost all artists first works are their most interesting, especially when they are hungry and when they want to prove something. It is hard for a Pacino to bring the same intensity and risk to a role nowadays that he brought to Panic in Needle Park, especially with the security of knowing he has millions saved and can demand millions for another part even if he sleep walks through it (Righteous Kill anyone?).
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Muni was a tremendous talent who was charismatically challenged. Still his Scarface remains a fantastic flick. I would argue that Tracy did not fit the glamour boy role, but he managed to carve out a career. Still, he was without a doubt in the minority - having talent and not really the looks, but still being given opportunity.
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I really didn't realize how good he was until I saw a one reel film he starred in called THE HARD GUY which was made in 1930, at the beginning of the sound era. To see the difference between him and the rest of the cast must have been like watching Wayne Gretzky playing hockey in junior high and seeing the difference between him and the other kids. Spencer Tracy is just light years away from everyone else. Same with watching Cagney in Public Enemy or Robinson in Little Ceasar - the just overshadow all the other actors on the screen with them.
And Muni was a damn good film, and Scarface still rocks. So does Fugitive From a Chain Gang. Paul Muni was almost the John Cazale (although obviously more successful and longer career); both were damn good actors that audience just didn't want to accept as leading men. -
I like a lot of the people working on this film, and I'll be glad to see Ray Winstone instead of "recently mailed in my career" Robert Deniro. Seriously, Deniro now subtracts from my interest in an upcoming film. Never thought I'd write that.
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BringingSexyBack said: In the saga of his life, it was clear that some Jewish extremists cast the first stone by making libelous charges of racism during the making of Passion. My response: Mel fired the first shot by making a Passion Play in the first place. Passion plays have historically been a method of perpetuating anti-semitism. Originally the entire POINT of putting on a passion play was to show everyone what monsters those Jesus-torturing Jews are. So much so that in 1965 the Second Vatican Council had to OFFICIALLY REPUDIATE the entire concept of Jews having engaged in deicide (God Killing). And yet, when Mel decided to make a film proclaiming his faith (something he has every right to do, of course) does he make an inspiring, uplifting film about the wonderful parables Jesus taught, or the message of love and understanding that Jesus supposedly was sent to Earth to deliver? No, he makes a religious snuff film to make sure everyone remembers that it was the Jews who demanded Jesus' arrest and torture & Pontius Pilate was just a sypathetic pawn. The whole thing reinforces an old, hateful message: Jews = Jesus Killers. I'll make the point again because it deserves to be repeated. Mel could have made any kind of religious movie he wanted about Jesus, and certainly the crucifixtion, which is, after all, a significant aspect of the story. But making a PASSION PLAY is something different. A PASSION PLAY is a very specific way of telling Jesus' story, and one that historically has a single message: Jews = Jesus Killers. Combine these gems: 1)Mel Makes a big-screen, graphics Passion Play 2)Gibson belongs to a splinter Catholic group which REJECTS Vatican II, meaning they don't accept the repudiation of deicide. In other words, calling the Jews Jesus Killers is just fine by them. 3)Mel's father. This is, of course, not a direct indictment of Mel. After all, we can't control what others say or believe. And although Mel did give an interview in which he affirmed that The Holocaust did indeed happen, he also defended his fathers beliefs to a certain point. In combination with all of the other things I'm writing about here, you have to consider Mel's father as having had an influence. 4)Comments made on the night of his arrest. Sorry, the guy isn't simply misunderstood or the subject of libel. He will never get one dollar of my money no matter how much I've enjoyed his past work.
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Per Movietool's decree, you no longer have the right to do the following:
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2) Practice your religion
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Telling someone to Google propaganda does not an argument make.
But let's see what you've got so far ...
Comparing an unrepentent statutory rapist to ... a guy with an opinion you disagree with.
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Class in in session students! whose day is to to shine my knob for extra credit...
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May 04, 2009 5:10:34 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack - you should change your name to "Strawman."
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1)Your reading comprehension is low. I actually wrote that he has evey right to make such a film. But tell me this - is The Passion of the Christ what Catholisicm is "about?" That's like saying "Hostel" tells you everything you need to know about backpacking in Europe. 2)Mel has as much right to practice his religion as I have to criticise it. That's how a free society works, you see . . .3)Asking Mel Gibson to tell us how is own philosophy may or may not differ from his Dad's is hardly asking him to turn his back on his family. However, you at least make an interesting point here - I'll give you this one. I've been drunk plenty of times. I've had friends that have gotten drunk plenty of times. Being drunk lowers your inhibitions and gets you to say all the things you would otherwise keep your trap shut about. It doesn't turn you into a totally different person. A person who believes in racial equality doesn't suddenly become a racist simply because they were drunk. But I have seen plenty of racists forget themselves and spout off a little hatred after they've been drinking.
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That is it? That is the research you've done? The dude is on camera disputing the "jews" role in starting all of the wars over the last few thousand years. It is there on tape. Check it out. And yes, that is the beginning.
I love that this talkback has gone one so long - it reveals much.
Oh, also - y'know one difference between a statutory rapist and a holocaust denier...actually, wait...let me give you a few million...
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I also love Jews. If I were in charge , we'd have a movie where Mel played a Rabbi.
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I spoke too soon.
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I hate to have to point out the obvious, but Mel Gibson has never killed anyone, let alone a Jew.
He has never incited or advocated the killing of anyone, let alone a Jew.
His father ... ditto.
Everyone, including you and members of your family, have prejudices. That is human nature. But even in a drunken stupor, Mel never even used a racial slur. You know what that tells me? He is a good man who was driven crazy by lunatic Zionists bashing the film he made about his God. In those circumstances, he acted like a saint.
You seem to have a good heart, you want to do right by everyone including the Jews, but you are entirely brainwashed by the anti-Mel propaganda. It's a mob mentality. Mel is not an enemy of the Jewish people. Jews' worst enemies are the Zionist lunatics who cry "anti-semitism" at the drop of a hat. Zionists WANT people to hate Jews, they want Jews outcast throughout the world, because they believe (wrongly) that is the only way to win their loyalty to the state of Israel and the cause of Zionism.
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I think, like all Zionists, you feel so threatened by Gibson that you will go to any length to demonize him.
And what is so threatening about him, or his father? Tell me. What physical threat do they pose to you?
Don't answer. I already know. It is not a real threat you feel, it is a psychological threat. The threat that they hold truths you would rather hide.
How pathetic that you would sink so low to berate those who think fondly of Mel Gibson. -
May 05, 2009 4:08:20 PM CDT
ALSO, LETHAL WEAPON 2 RESPONSIBLE FOR FALL OF APARTHEID
by bringingsexyback
in South Africa. For that alone Mel deserves everlasting praise.
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Mel vehemently disagreed with his Dad for most of his life?
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No idea, i know he's had a troubled relationship with him.
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