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Robert Zemeckis utters the "R word." Will we be seeing a Roger Rabbit sequel soon?!?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. There has been talk of a sequel to Roger Rabbit since the first one came out and wowed the old and young alike (making hundreds of millions in the process), but nothing ever materialized.
But now MTV was able to grab Robert Zemeckis at a red carpet and he dropped this bomb:
Now, the idea of a Roger Rabbit sequel has me giddy. I was actually recently outbid on a production cell from the original film (thought what better way to spend my tax refund than on a piece of Roger Rabbit history)... Yeah, I'm a huge dork for Roger Rabbit... The only thing that I'll say is this... Please, Mr. Zemeckis... what makes Roger Rabbit work is that he's a 2-D toon in a 3-D human world. I can see you updating it with crazy awesome CGI via performance capture, but unless you have a brilliant idea that can explain why 2-D Roger is now 3-D ultra real Roger you're going to lose a lot of the magic that made the original film work.
Those are my two cents, but even that's based on a lot of assumption. We'll see what develops, if anything, on this and hopefully it's everything people like me want to see. Thoughts?
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April 29, 2009, 4:15 p.m. CST
All the news on the front page is about sequels or remakes.
by gnarwhal_evan
I hate Hollywood.
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Anyone seen any of their previous interviews with Tom Hanks or Kevin Spacey where they totally fuck up?
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Do it.
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was one the creepiest things I've ever seen. Like his friends Lucas and Spielberg, Zemeckis has lost whatever he once had, unfortunately.
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I like it when I was a kid, but I saw it again recently and just found it kind of loud and annoying.
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Does this mean Tom Hanks will be playing Jessica Rabbit?
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But not sure I care yet. Stay 2D for sure.
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it'll end up CGI and in 3-D, and probably rated G.
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but so has a lot of movies that ended up being craptastic.
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I think seeing RR as a 3D character could work if they had the transformation as part of the film's story arch. Or maybe a battle royal of 2D characters vs. 3D ones...
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NOW THIS IS VERY AWESOME COOL NEWS INDEED. FUCK AVATAR WHEN WE COULD BE FUCKING JESSICA'S RABBITS MAMMA JAMMA'S!
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you have to sit through the ad before the notice telling you the clip can't be viewed in your area. So you can advertise to me, but i can't watch your fucking-stupid interview? if you think i'm buying that car now mister, you are sadly mistaken! humpf!!
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The first was a great story which happened to be kind of inspired by Chinatown. Would love to see something in the tone of the 70s or 60s or even the 50s. A hardboiled Dirty Harry type with Roger would definitely be a screwed up mix.
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I personally could give a shit whether Zemeckis or anyone else makes a "Roger Rabbit" sequel. The original film never interested me. I understand how certain people are enamored of it, but I just wasn't.<p> The only way I'd be interested in a sequel is if it's about Jessica Rabbit. She's much more "interesting," both visually and attitude-wise. But even then, I sort of yawn.
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you probably reserve the right to yawn at a lot of stuff. just in case you don't yawn when you should
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I think the problem's been that it's prohibitively expensive.
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"Who Censored Roger Rabbit?" is a brilliant piece of detective fiction. The film is fun and a technical triumph, but hardly what many on and off this site would say. Still, a sequel could be neat.
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There were a total of three shorts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Who_Framed_Roger_Rabbit_media#Animated_shorts What happened, from my understanding, is that the character vanished because of rights issues between Spielberg and Disney. For something to happen with Roger, they'd need both parties to sign off.
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JOSH SWANEY
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but PLEASE don't fuck it up! Don't go all CGI on us Zemeckis! This cries out for cel animation. Don't bastardize what could be a swell movie by trying to go all 21st century with the production method. Sometimes the old way is the best way.
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the only real problem i see with this is getting warner/disney to play nice and put all those extremely licensed characters back together in the same film. i was really surprised it happened the first time around. and that was in a completely different disney era. i can see disney dumping zac efron into this as bob hoskins' cute young detective sidekick or something. also, using the technology we have now doen't mean they're going to make a scooby-doo style CGI roger rabbit. they could actually hand-draw it, then use the 3D to make it look even better.
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I always wanted to see Bugs kick the shit out of that mouse.
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and start making adult films again. This guy is as talented as just about any director and he continues to make crap for kids.
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I don't "reserve the right to yawn" at any movie. I hardly ever yawn, in fact. Generally I'm excited as hell for something or I turn off the tv. Which is why "Roger Rabbit" hits me in an unusual way.<p> I don't know why, exactly. Maybe it's the total pointlessness of the story? I just never gave a shit about any of the characters, not even in a giddy, kid-friendly way. Thus I never understood why people flocked to see the film. "Braindead Fun" was about the best I could come up with. And surly Bob Hoskins. And Jessica Rabbit's chest.<p> The rest of it... I can't really remember.
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...let's not bother.
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April 29, 2009, 4:40 p.m. CST
drop dead fred...roger rabbit...g.i. joe...WHAT THE HELL IS GOIN
by gruemanlives
not to mention Monopoly, already rebooting the Hulk franchise, and transformers. Guess originality has died.
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Silly rabbit
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Where's the Wolverine review, squire?<p>That bad, eh?
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& The Swane lives on!
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...in 3-D!!!
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Every time those @ssholes on MTV block anyone outside the US from video clips! Why? No one else does it!
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...I've never seen ammunition have such great personality.
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Zemeckis you waited too fucking long..Now what made Rodger such a joy is passe..If its 3-d and c.g.i. yeah it will do well for a few weeks but it won't have legs like the first one..This should have been greenlit long ago while Rodger was still vital. Don't get me wrong I loved W.F.R.R but may be too little too late. Now every thing that is being shit out be Hollywood is just seconds
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apologies cobbio, drunk teens outside my window combined with neck pain sent me looking for a fight. just not a big fan of instant dismisal
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you know...sense all this 'remake' craze is going on in hollywood, why not remake or re-imagine films that could use it?
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as long as they dont turn around in a few months and announce its a re-make or re-imagining or what ever. Potentially they could have a plot line about CG cartoons becoming more popular than the traditional 2-d and Roger and his classic cartoon mates getting put out of work and having to get jobs in the real world or something...naturally there will be some evil scheme involving some said CG cartoons and Roger will be wrapped up in it some how...maybe even getting in touch with Eddie to get to the bottom of it. Although bringing in CG cartoons would be a bit weird with the original being set in the 40's...60 years or so ould have to have passed since the original , and therefore Valiant is out :S Oh well, just thinking out loud...I still lve the original, even though that bit with Judge Doom getting run over by the steam roller and coming back scared the poop outta me
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...I would love to see this. No 3D though...if they 3Dify this I'm going to fucking kneecap somebody.
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Old school style also! I'll never bitch about you going all CGI/mo-cap ever again.
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April 29, 2009, 4:53 p.m. CST
And a 2D to 3D transformation can't be part of the plot either..
by FlickaPoo
...the Simpson's did that 15 years ago.
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I'd like to see Roger being out of work and trying to compete in the current world of Pixar animation and the like. We could have the best of both worlds. Maybe he tries to get a 3-D update and resents himself for selling out.
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another book, and I think there were comics, so there is nothing wrong with doing a sequel.
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to return a mysterious skull to a remote area in the jungle...oh wait, that would suck..
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...for one frame every 30 or so to make her subliminally irresistibly hot?
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Enchanted worked marvellously. And it used 2d cartoon, although not as mixed as RR and in a complete different context. But it prooves that well done 2D still can get it going.
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And Quint....who cares if he does it 3D? You act like this is some big continuity breaker or something.<p> The assumption was the human characters DID see the toons as 3D even if we couldn't.<p> And who's going to voice Jessica Rabbit now that Kathleen Turner's voice has dropped 3 octaves?
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Why don't we get Stephan Speilsuck to throw in some Tiny Tunes and we can have a party.
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Who saw Rodger Rabbit during it's theatrical release way back when, I have no problem with them making the Rabbit 3D. You see the original was goofy fun and kinda a commentary on the history and wealth of 2D animation. Now the most popular cartoons today are drawn in 3D animation and to some extent projected in 3D. Therefore RR2 could comment upon this new wave.<br> That being said we could also see an older Rodger battling against a new wave of 3D creations.<br> Whatever happens, I'm sure it will be cool and worth a watch at some point. After all, the original will always still exist and will continue to be enjoyed on TV sets around the world every bank holiday and christmas for years to come.
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If I remember correctly, in the early '90s, there was talk of a Roger Rabbit prequel with him being involved in World War II. The end was suppose to reveal that Bugs was Roger's father. It has always saddened me that this and more shorts (three were made) were never made due to disagreements between Disney, WB, and the other parties who owned the rights to the toons.
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That sequel sucked. It wasn't even a sequel to the first book; it was a half-assed sequel to the movie that made the plot of the book a dream. Given that the book was much better than the movie, it was a massive cop-out and failure from where I sit. But I agree with you regarding the viability of a sequel.
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A review of the script is right here: http://www.filmbuffonline.com/ReadingRoom/ToonPlatoonReview.htm This may be the old idea Bob Z. was talking about.
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I love the first one and it was amazing for it's time, but time has moved on, and they won't be able to give us anything we haven't already seen visually. How about doing something new and original instead? Stupid idea for Hollywood I know, but hey.
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characters walking around in the background from Disney movies but not all of them were characters that showed up in Roger Rabbit. No siree. It was subliminal ads for Emperor's new groove. It was really sad.
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...place in an old timey world anyway so computer animation wouldn't be an issue. Just keep thinks the way they are and have a new story in that world.
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And not the same weird feeling that Jessica Rabbit gave me. It was odd. Gloomy and suspenseful. It was fucking weird ok.
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Why is it everyone that hears "digital technology" automatically assumes that means itd be some ultra-realistic CGI Roger? All it means is that computers would be used for the animation and compositing. With a good cel-shading technique they could make it look exactly like 2-d animation. Just with the benefits that come with using computers.
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I don't approve of this AT ALL, EXCEPT: if they nail Jessica Rabbit in stereoscopic 3D and I can get a virtual motorboat from watching it in IMAX, yah, fine with it. Does Kathleen Turner still got the voice chops?
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original was on t.v. the other day. definitely not as enjoyable as i remember
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mediocre at best. Oh, and another Roger Rabbit is long overdue!
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this could be great.</p><p> RR was a fun film, and once you understand the complexity of making it, a real work of art.</p><p>The world of RR has alot of potential, and this is one sequel, or prequel, that I would look forward too. With Eisner, and the bad blood he created long gone, and Lassiter in charge of Disney animation, I would bet good money nothing amateur would be shat out. But they must keep it hand drawn, 2D, and keep the 40-late 50's Noir-ish feel.</p><p>And of course if must have as its lead Christian "Fucking Professional" Bale...no fucking toon is going to fuck up his god damned scene. Fucking toon asses.
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"Roger Rabbit" prequel where Roger recruits a rag-tag band of chipmunk J's to collect 100 Nazi wolf scalps a piece! Jessica Rabbit plays a naughty Eva Braun-type who is smitten by Roger's Brad Pitt-esque American swagger and ends up plotting to assasinate Adolphin Hitler. The plan, project Val-Canary (sorry, that was the best cartoon name I could come up with for "Valkerie"), fails and a toon version of whoever Tom Cruise played in that movie has to endure being bukockied upon by our chipmunk heroes. Unfortunately, he so enjoys his punishment that Cruise is transported to an animated heavenly-bliss where he encounters Brad Pitt's character from "Cool World". This causes a temporal rupture where Pitt's character from "Inglourious Basterds" fuses with his "Cool World" persona and has to hunt down Roger Rabbit from "Inglourius Rabbitsterds" in order to sort the whole thing out. I haven't quite figured out how the story gets resolved, but at some point Jessica Rabbit and Holli Would from "Cool World" fuck.
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PLEASEEEEEEE
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dont destroy this. dont make another one. stop tarnishing great movies.
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Quint, please - stop trying to tell people how to make movies. Please.
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CANNOT SEE OUTSIDE EFF YOU SEE KAY-ING AMERICA.
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...is aided by computers these days...ROGER RABBIT needs to keep the same look, doesn't matter how they get there.
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Zemeckis is the perfect director. Hear me out for a second.<p>The studios insist that you can't find a large cast of age-appropriate young actors to pull off the Battle School, so they have been saying they want to make all the kids 16, which destroys the story. Also, you can't get kids to do the no-gravity Battle School stunts. The buggers and space need to be CGI anyways. Zemeckis needs to take his mo-cap/cgi technique that worked well in Beowulf, and perfect it for Ender's Game.<p>You can get older kids who are better actors, and more coordinated, and then animate younger kids in their place. Mo-cap/CGI is perfect for the buggers, the battle school, the space battles, the FANTASY GAME, etc.<p>Zemeckis has handled adult material, and kid material. He has handled mixing them as well. If there is another director better suited for Ender's Game than Robert Zemeckis, I want to know who. Ender's Game is Harry Potter and Star Wars rolled into one. Zemeckis needs to make this happen yesterday. If this site had any clout, they should work to make this happen.
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Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a classic, pure and simple. I think CGI animation could figure into the sequel quite well, actually, but only if they set the movie in the modern day (old toons getting pushed out by the new CGI wunderkinds, etc.). But that would be a travesty, because one of the things that made the original so good was the amazing confluence of setting, period, subject, and plot. It just wouldn't be the same if it were set in the modern day only with Rugrats and fuckin' Ed, Edd, and Eddy or some shit. It would be awesome to work in some toons from other countries though, from around that time.
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...went to pay for my CALIFORNIA state income tax return. <p>I really hate ultra-liberal BIG BROTHER governments who want to tax us more and more. </p>That said: I wish that I could buy a cell from Roger Rabbit! A sequel would be GREAT NEWS!!!
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Mel Blanc is dead. His presence is what put the original over the top, and imitators just won't do.
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...unless you make 250,000+ your taxes went down this year. You're remedial.
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And Roger Rabbit has been the only movie/cartoon since that has been able to portray the Looney Tunes the way they should be. genuinely funny and not hip and modernized. I mean, Mel Blanc was in it. You can't get anymore classic then that. I really wish I could say that a sequel would be good, but I keep thinking it's more likely Brendan Fraser would be in it.
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Dang, that's harsh! And un-PC!
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I have very very fond childhood memories of Roger Rabbit. It was out in theaters the same time the Bambi re-release was. I remember my Mom and Dad taking me to see it, but we got the time wrong so we watched the middle/end of it then rewatched it all. Those were good times. I was one happy 7 or 6 going on 7 year old.
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Back to the Future. Some of his other flicks are fun (Romancing the Stone, Roger Rabbit, BTTF III, Cast Away) but Back to the Future is the only sold gold film he's done.
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Bad ass villain.
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I know Billy West is very talented, but Blanc was a god. You know the more I think about it, just release RR on BluRay and I'd be happy. The novelty of Roger Rabbit was the interaction of live action and animation beyond the Gene Kelly/Jerry the Mouse, Disney dancing animal integration. All the practical rigging that was covered by animation, can be done with CGI and it wouldn't quite as "magical".
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BULLSHIT
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is underrated and could of made a perfect Mr. Freeze.
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FEDERAL tax rates on those below 250K went down. California made some tough choices that are pissing off the residents. Taxes are up there a number of ways. But that guy's tax burden this year would have been determined last year, anyhow, so I'm just blabbering.
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The sequel was going to be a prequel and was supposed to be in WWII. Who knows? it mighta been a blast. But Warners and Eisner couldn't learn to play nicely again twice in a row, sad to say. If they do this-GREAT! let's see it.
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I have not had one of those since I was a fucking piss poor student.
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That would be sweet. Maybe Jessica Rabbit could be turned into Scarlett Johansson
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Keep Roger in 2-D and I'm on board. Always loved that movie.
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They may have gone down (next tax season) but they are still too fucking much...My wife and I paid a total of four months salary to the Feds and the Governator (before we add in sales tax, gas tax, federal taxes on your cable bill, etc...) All just so some lowlife, lazy, entitlement seeking bitch who wants 14 kids (and millions more just like her) can raise them off the hard work of others; and politicians can redistribute the benefits of my hard work all over the fucking globe in the name of the greater fucking good...that is when they aren't using my money to murder foreigners in the name of "Freedom" and spy on the population</p><p> Fuck your defense of the evil fucking state and their revenue agents.
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Maybe I am just jaded in my old age but I saw it maybe a year or so ago on tv. It hasn't held up well.
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Kathleen Turner can pretend she's still hot for 90 minutes!
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Judge Doom has returned with his ultimate weapon; a performance capturing CG device that sucks up cute hand-drawn toons and spits out creepily realistic dead-eyed CG monstrosities.
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I warn you<p> Under Bush, dissent was the highest form of patriotism<p> Under Obama, dissent is the highest form of racism.<p> You don't want to be un-patriotic by grumbling about your taxes. Homeland Security may consider you a right-wing terrorist, just like they view veterans.
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before we were talking finances. Now we're getting into pure politics. Maybe discuss the movie again?
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WIZARDS 3D? no remaking, just converting
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Over a hundred posts and no-one has mentioned the most important ingredient needed in any planned sequel......Richard Williams, the animation director. What the hell happened to movie geeks, shame on you all lol :)
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The majority of animation these days is CG. It would make sense for Roger to attempt making the transition in order to save his career in toons. Something like that. This could be the movie to really make the statement about traditional versus CG animation.
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April 29, 2009, 6:42 p.m. CST
I love Roger Rabbit....but FUCK YOU Zemeckis.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
You have forfeited all talent you once had. I'm not interested in a fucking thing you make. NEVER AGAIN.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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So many things to want.
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April 29, 2009, 6:46 p.m. CST
And FUCK CEL SHADING. It does not look the same....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...and fuck anyone for suggesting that ignorant shit. It looks exactly like what it is-- a digital creation. There is no sense of life and movement that you get from hand drawn. FUCK YOU with that shit.
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like you said, put in all that fancy motion capture, hell, even put in 3d characters like shrek and whatnot, but DO NOT MAKE ROGER 3D. even if its some lame story where he becomes real and they use 3D. NO. ROGER STAYS 2D
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Count me among those that really loved the original Roger Rabbit-its probably my most favorite animated film. I loved the fact that it was a cinematci love letter to film noir and the golden age of animation...if they could recapture that look and feel for a sequel I'd be down for it. It can be CGI as long as it looks like traditional ink and paint.
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April 29, 2009, 7 p.m. CST
It WILL be 3D, otherwise he wouldn't be considering it
by performingmonkey
There's no point in it being the same as the 1988 movie. The natural step is the mocap technology he's currently using. A live-action/mocap/traditional animation crossbreed of some kind? If anyone can do it it's Zemeckis.
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I've tried finding it at various used book stores, with no luck.<br><br>I've heard it is way darker than the film.
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Everyone loves a grumpy Eddie Valiant. Lose that and your sunk.
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Won't it make sense to add the new 'beloved' characters into the world? Buzz, Woody, Mike, Sully, and countless other animated beings should be included. Mayhaps a war is brewing between the 2D and 3D characters. Or NOT
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Never will you see Bugs and Mickey Mouse share the same screen ever again. I remember the audience going apeshit during that scene.
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Sorry, but Quint is right -- why fix what isn't broken? Besides, why would you make such a foolish assumption to suggest that he is tell someone else how to film a movie? It's a SUGGESTION dumbass, nothing more nothing less.
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The beginning of that time frame was when a lot of the Chuck Jones/Tex Avery type stuff was becoming more subtle and nuanced and snarky, and seeing his attempts to change with the times would be interesting.
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I work at a bookstore and I can't even find it in our system OR our vendor's system. Sucks, I'd really like to find a copy.
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He just has an extreme boner for motion-cap 3-D, so don't be surprised if we see a cross-eyed, 3-D mo-capped Jessica (Simpson) Rabbit, all zombified like The Palsy Express. The original had Richard Williams' great classic 2D animation, and was about toons, dammit! If he goes 3-D on this, I'd rather have a stick of dried vomit.
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April 29, 2009, 7:18 p.m. CST
Zemeckis should do The Unscratchables instead
by No Respectable Gentleman
It's a new book about a bull terrier cop teaming up with a cool Siamese cat from the FBI. The villain is a fox media mogul. Very sharp and funny.
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Send them to the sixties, or whatever.
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The so-called zombie effect is also referred to as the uncanny valley. As something looks almost too realistic, but lacks the human spark. Polar Express suffered from this, because it is hard to do eyes really well. Beowulf doesn't have this problem. He really stepped up his game with Beowulf.
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that aint the shrink from Lethal Weapon!!! no wonder hes slumming sequels...alimony up the ass and now fuckin jess rabbit
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talent squandered
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Cell shaded. That 3D thats made up with 2d edges. If the get that right it could be mind blowing.
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Back to the Future 4 would more than likely suck more than the starwars prequels, indy 4 and roger rabbit 2 combined if this is anything to go by... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhlW8o2PJOE
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Yeah, crazy, but it seems like a great project for Pixar. Just do it in 2D for the 2D characters and add in new 3D characters. Could be a good theme anyway for how things have changed in Toon town now that toons are done so frequently in 3D rather than 2D. That's how you make it relevant anyway.
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It even had Biff in it.
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WAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! OH NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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April 29, 2009, 8:08 p.m. CST
Somehow ended up with THREE copies of this book over the years
by Regicidal_Maniac
One hardback and too paperback. Something about entering dusty old bookstores makes me too stupid to remember what's in my collection at the time.
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If it was CGI, it could allow Fox to voice over, but I'm not sure he is physically up to the role. BTTF 2 and 3 were more like parallel movies than sequels. They just repeated the first. And while I enjoy the trilogy, I don't see any need for a fourth.
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Just kidding you maladjusted morons. The original was for the kids of the day, with just enough inside baseball references for animation fanatics and history buffs. So it stands that the sequel should be for the kids of today. (Also I meant 'two' not 'too' in my above post, I just woke up.)
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saying it can't or won't work, for what essentially are BS reasons. Folks, if it's a good story, well filmed, it'll find an audience, no matter how much time has passed. Honestly, people have such little trust in the capacity of the human imagination, it almost seems we've been trained to look for failure before there's any reason to suspect it. That said, I'm with the folks who would like to see a little more originality in source material. Someone mentioned that there's only one summer tentpole film this year not based on a previous franchise, reboot or sequel, and that's "Up". Would be nice to see a more balanced lineup, but I won't pan any film, original or not until I see the final product.
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In reality, many of these classics you think are untouchable don't stand up well today, and can be easily improved upon. For instance, I rewatched Robocop the other day (which people here worship) and it does not hold up well at all. Isn't Arnofsky involved in the reboot/sequel? I'm willing to bet if he does make a Robocop film, it is the best in the series.
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You're entitled to hold your wrong opinion.
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Sorry couldn't resist. Am I the only one that finds Judge Doom getting Dipped hilarious?
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I like the concept of this dead cop who is battling the concept of self identity when deprived of a name, and brought back from the dead as a manufactured product. I like the concept of mega corporations overtaking government and privatizing the police. The execution was good for its time, but the movie can certainly be improved upon.
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April 29, 2009, 8:29 p.m. CST
bet money it will be called "Who Killed Roger Rabbit"
by MurderMostFowl
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
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I still love that series, even 3. If they did bring it back, we'd have to go back to 1985 from the present. It's the only plot line left. <BR> But we all know it would be awful. Just let it go, until Zumie dies and then someone will try and relaunch the franchise starring shia labeouf.
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won't bother complaining about now edit function ( and no freaking carriage return unless you html code it WTF )
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...but it sure smells good!
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They can't go to present day. The "future" was 2015 if anyone recalls, and it is pretty far from what it would look like when say the film would be released three years from now in 2012. The schtick of the three films is how in all four time periods (1885, 1955, 1985, and 2015), things were different, but in many ways the same. You got to see how events in one time period effected the other time period as well.<p>What I think would be interesting is to get away from Green Valley and go one generation back from 1885, to the McFly family in Ireland perhaps, and then follow them through European history perhaps ala Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.
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Sorry, a friend of mind got really mixed up a few weeks back and kept calling "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" "Who Shot Roger Moore?"....I personally think its an excellent way to go with a sequel now!
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NOOOOOOOO!!!! why do they need a sequel???it ended perfectly...everything was wrapped up and christ they even had a shitty saturday morning cartoon. What they need to do is make a sequel to Point Break or...fucking leave it alone! Roger Rabbitt was great because it gave us a glimpse of the cartoon world among us...Bobby z (or any other) will definitely fuck this up with mocap. and seriously, kathleen turner cannot physically do jessica rabbitt anymore...she sounds like an 80 year man laying in an iron lung. big fan of the BTTF trilogy and roger but let it go!!!
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Why no remake of Song Of The South? What, Drop Dead Fred good enough for you but Uncle Remus isn't? The kids'll love it.
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eat a dick...ROBOCOP was far out in it time because of it excessive violence and satirical perspective on the media...i feel you wrongly perceive this as being "not good" because it, in fact, is what society is today. perfectly relevant. watched it recently and it still is funny to this day..can you fly, bobby? damn skippy.
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The cartoon characters in the movie had shading to show they were 3D. I get what you're saying, though...no realistic 3D-style CGI stuff. I agree.
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Excessive violence directly equates to greatness? You must love Eli Roth and his torture-porn.<p>Films like Total Recall have the same violent sensibility, but hold up better today because the film was edited well. The story keeps moving.<p>Robocop did not age well. I loved all 3 as a kid. I'm terrified to even try to watch 2 or 3 today.
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but they'll downgrade the 3d models into 2d hoping to preserve the traditional 2d hand drawn look. Just like South Park used computers to upgrade the animation process to make it faster. Roger will look like a slicker 2d version of himself. Kinda like Joe Dante's Looney Tunes flick. Only not exactly. Fuck they might do it all in 3d cgi and then hire wacom artist to draw over the cgi on a new vector layer. These trace overs become the 2d art and effects in the film. <P> Oh yeah, Quint, you mentioned a prop. So I have to do this... Quint (Here comes some ass kissing), my favorite AICN member. The Amulet, when???
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his world. Think about it... Toon Town was saved and all that at the end of the first film. Flash forward to 2009 and no one cares about Traditional Toons anymore. Flash Animation and CGI is where it's at. Roger has to save Toon Town once again.
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thats your problem you like the 3rd one... i hate eli roth btw...i dont think that violence for the sake of violence is awesome...robos violence all meant something..it had a point...when murphy died, you felt it...you werent cheering...you were in shock when ED209 blew away kinney..its was saying that society in the hands of corporations will not be good. Do we really need that message now? i dont think anymore is to say...and stay the fuck away from total recall, which rocked the shit too
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Of course, I felt it was jarring when George Lucas crammed Roger Rabbit into the Star Wars universe in Episode 1. Having Roger Rabbit bounce around, ruining the first new Star Wars movie was simply awful - the Star Wars universe & the Roger Rabbit universe are simply not compatible. <p>I'm glad they toned down his roll for Episodes 2 & 3.
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thought of this. Well, Hey! Since everyones on the same page... This seems like the right direction. No???? granted it's like 70 years later, but toons don't age. Unless they get drawn into it.
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It's a well-known fact that Roger Rabbit is MikeTheSpike's favourite movie. I was just thinking of a sequel this morning on the way to work, in fact. <P> For all this movie accomplished, and considering how awesome it is/how well it holds up over time, I'm always surprised how little recognition it gets.
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Three points. First, "What I think would be interesting is to get away from Green Valley and go one generation back from 1885, to the McFly family in Ireland perhaps, and then follow them through European history perhaps ala Bill and Ted's excellent adventure" is, in fact, an awful idea.<P> Second, whoever is suggesting cel shading is a moron.<P> Finally, for those of us not fortunate enough to live in the US of A, just what the fuck is said in the video?
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I agree with the post earlier comparing it to Paul's Boutique. The most amazing thing about the original was the fact that Warner Brothers, Disney, MGM, Paramount, Fox, Universal, and King Features all were able to agree to license characters for one movie, That in itself is a veritable cinematic milestone. I'm not sure how it happened the first time, but hoping for lightning to strike twice? Better exhale. <p> I don't see the various studios ever agreeing to do this again; the profit sharing, merchandising, rebroadcast, and home video considerations would take a team of lawyers big enough to fill a cruise liner, and would demand at least an extra three years of pre-production just for legal negotiations. The only way I can see it happening is if it's solely Disney or, even more likely, generic stock characters meant to vaguely resemble popular cartoons. It just wouldn't be the same.
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The original "Roger Rabbit" was unwatchable crap. Ushered in an era of hyperactive attention-deficit inculcating Saturday morning crap like "Tiny Toons". Fuck Zemeckis.
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if you actually think that this will get made and make money.
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Awww "New Idea"? i was hopeing this might turn out to be the Toon Platoon, story that they had first mentioned years ago.
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April 29, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST
P-P-P-P-P-P-P-Pleeeeeeeze don't let this happen!
by Nasty In The Pasty
A mocap version of Roger Rabbit would be hideous. Plus, what kid today even recognizes half of the cartoon characters from the original? Even the Looney Tunes characters haven't been on regular TV since the early 90's.
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I LOVED Roger Rabbit when I was a kid, a classic movie. And when I revisited it on DVD (after my VHS copy burnt out) I was surprised how deep and "adult" a lot of the story is, stuff that went over my head before. I think if RZ was going to do a sequel it would be a tough call when to set it due to the advancements in technology and animation. All the Toons in RR actually existed (on the screen) during the year the film is set, and computer animation had yet to put its mark on the process in '88 (i think that was the release date) so the Toons didn't look to far off how they looked originally. Using computer would make it look a little weird...
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Roger trying to get a job after the studio "Maroon Cartoons" is shut down, and he can't compete with the adult cartoons (Family Guy, South Park) the CGI (Pixar, Dreamworks) and the Manga. He's not politically correct anymore, too slapstick.
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I know he's probably too old, but the man is an animation god. I always thought the movie would have been more interesting if Roger had had a more 'normal' personality when off screen. That would have kept in tune with Baby Herman being a totally different type when not playing the baby. It would have been a little less annoying to hear the high-pitched voice all through the film.
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Can we please call a moratorium on guys using the word "giddy"? Can't you think of a way to express your excitement without sounding like a Victorian-era schoolgirl?
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Is this true?
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BZ seems to be about innovating, more than storytelling these days unfortunately. I do like the idea of 2d cell animated character vs. 3d mo-cap characters -- like a cartoon version of Tron starring RR. RR doesn't have quite the impact with today's kids (most don't even know who Mel Blanc was), so I don't know which demographic would turn out for it.The only way this could build buzz is if Dreamworks and Disney and Nintendo and other 3d characters, could share the screen, like the thrill of seeing Mickey and Bugs, Daffy, and Droopy all together.
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Still, I'd love for him to make a sequel.
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Please!
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and their region lock... but yeah, RR is freakin awesome. i'm up for second.
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I know i remember him in the first movie him calling Daffy a god damn nigger or something of that sort
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How the hell does that happen? Indy 4 didn't get through enough to the talking money heads that reviving nostalgic trilogies of the eighties doesn't work as well as they'd like? Hell the only way I could see a BTTF4 working at all is by following the Brown family around in their locomotive, possibly trying to stop an evil bad guy from the future who has himself his own personal flux capacitor with intents of fucking up the usual space-time thingamafuck to gain a profit. Unleashing dinosaurs in the old west, an organized cage-match between Hitler and Moses, etc. Outside of crazy shit like that, stay away from these properties.
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"he only way this could build buzz is if Dreamworks and Disney and Nintendo and other 3d characters, could share the screen" <p> Sweet Jeebus, no. That, right there, is the worst idea I've heard in months. And I hang around this site and read the armchair screenwriting in talkbacks almost daily, so I've heard many, many bad ideas.
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Stupid urban legend:<p> http://tinyurl.com/c783w9
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Count me in; especially if they do some eye-popping 3-D shots of Jessica Rabbit's honkers!
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I think the fully-animated characters of ROGER RABBIT would feel very threatened by the limited animation being pumped onto the television sets of early 1960s America, as animated theatrical shorts are dying a painful death. Maybe somebody's put a hit on Fred Flintstone because he's blamed for it, so Eddie Valiant and Roger are hired to be his bodyguards. In any case, the classic Hanna-Barbera characters would be an awesome addition to the Toontown universe.
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When RR first came out, OK, it was a great technical acheivement, but it wasn't all that! Far and away one of the most overrated movies of (just like Forrest Gump!). Why do people confuse clever gimmickry with artistic genius!
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You losers can have you fun fantasizing about fucking a cartoon. THe rest of will get our minds blown away by Avatar
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A Roger Rabbit sequel would melt faces and rule the cinema. Man I hope this project gets wings more than ANY other potential project in the works right now. Holy Shit i'm Psyched.
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There, happy? You got a reaction. <p> I'll do you one better: "Cameron blows that ASS off of Zemeckis" -Well I'll agree with you there, Cameron certainly does blow.
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April 30, 2009, 2:50 a.m. CST
Um, if Roger was real not a cartoon wouldn't he be 3D
by lockesbrokenleg
Roger was NOT flat in the movie. He interacted with everything. He was 3D in our world, but 2D in his world. What a dumbass.
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I was watching the making of The Blues Brothers the other day, and they talked about recording "Minnie The Moocher" with Cab Calloway. Now, he wanted to do a disco version of it in the film, because he had done versions for every trend that came around. Landis wanted him to do it in the original style, because that's what he wanted. Likewise, I think Roger Rabbit belongs in the 2D world. If you look at The Lion King, Aladdin etc, those films incorporated computer effects into 2D really well.
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putting the old school stars out of work in the 60's. Great direction SnapT.
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I can read. Type out what he said, and throw some quotes around it. How hard is this?
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And make it a prequel. Although I think Bob is too angry and too grumpy to do a mo-cap.
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Somebody's playing them all against each other and Eddie Valiant's gotta get to the bottom of it!
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Unless this films has an entirely different cast or is called WHO AGED ROGER RABBIT, it ain't happening.
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Zemeckis made a thoughtful blockbuster which drew me into the world but was about corruption in a very contemporary way. I'm not kidding. Grendel's mother represents the temptation that all leaders face - but when they indulge themselves, the progeny of what they did comes back to haunt them a generation later. (See anything familiar? Think about US foreign policy.) But that was just ONE of MANY ideas in the film. A thrilling blockbuster that's also mature and thoughtful? We should be so lucky! And we were, on this occasion.
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The Phantom Menace, they just changed his name to Jar Jar.
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All of them really gripping clever stories with loads of ideas going on. I'm genuinely surprised at the number of people who are saying 'F*** Zemeckis' here. Sure, Forest Gump is hard for some non-Americans to take (though people tend to forget how satirical it really is) - but that's just one film on a brilliant CV.
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I last saw him on the DVD features for THE LONG GOOD FRIDAY and damn, the guy looks really old now. If Hoskins is in this film, they are going to need to save the CGI for him rather than the rabbit.
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<p>www.alibris.com</p> <p>You can find pretty much every book that was every published on that site. Enjoy.</p>
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Joe Alaskey does the Warners voices waaay better than West. Alaskey is the closest thing to Blanc we've got
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So was Contact, Roger Rabbit, BTTF and I'm in the mood for Forrest Gump sometimes. Good man.
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Hyperactive unwatchable Saturday morning crap? I mean, I do hate "Tiny Toons". I fail though, to understand how the two go together. The Looney Tunes were actually used correctly in Roger Rabbit. 90's tiny tunes were better then what the WB does with them now. Baby Looney Tunes comes to mind and that shit where they turned them into anime super heroes. I wish I was making that up.
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Make a lot of money and then let him finish "The Thief and the Cobbler". Thats all we need, Robert!
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The first film was a spoof of film noir as much as it was a cartoon. Film noir has a million different tropes. They should ditch the private eye angle and maybe center the film around some sort of major heist, like Asphalt Jungle. <p> Or, if they want to get really risky, they could change the decade and spoof another film genre, like Crystal Skull. Although, I think that would be disastrous.
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"I Thware I didn't rape her! I thware I thware!"
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*thwear (swear)
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That's tomfoolery.
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You don't have any idea what the fuck you're talking about. Smoke a joint or something and relax.
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You made the point before me. I wonder if Lucas knew what he was doing.
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Let Ralph Bakshi direct, with Larry Clark scripting and set it during WW 2. Have the toons attack Omaha Spielberg style and show them getting blasted to pieces. Later in the movie the PlaToon, lead by Roger Rabbit, come upon a German hospital that has been abandoned. They search the place and find the pediatric ward with two dozen babies left in their cribs crying because the hospital staff are all dead. Roger looks at the other toon’s and says “let what must be done, be done” at which point they start stabbing the babies with their bayonets because the only good German baby is a dead one. The scene ends with the toons eating the baby’s roasted carcasses by an open fire. THE FUCKING END!!!
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He doesn't give a shit about Roger Rabbit and only acted "excited" because it's pop culture. What a douche.
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Don't go Spielberg and Lucas and act like the original wasn't great. 3-D Roger Rabbit would suck. They are toons not 3-D models.
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back to the future 4 happening. not after the time machine got destroyed. It was all wrapped up in the the third and final film. In empire they did a major article about the about pixar and CGI and how this is a golden age of animation. The sequel to roger rabbit which was bogged down in legal wrangling for more than in decade, had the last time I read about it something to do with Broadway. Things could have changed but the makers had hired a major songwriter. Everyone involved now believes that technology is now more advanced that it was in the 1980s early 1990s that it will happen soon.
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twenty years to make up after the huge falling out they had over BTTF 2. there will be no BTTf 4
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Yeah that would be cool if all the 2d characters are getting something like "dimensional enhancements" so that they can make more money, and all the ones who resist the change are blacklisted. the upgraded characters look down on the old ones. and what about the participation of pixar?
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Make it live-action...and cast Diora Baird as Jessica Rabbit. That chick's got the proportions (ie., she's got tits for days!), all right.
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It was so boring. The visuals weren't that cool at all, and I was just very bored by it.
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Damn, I hated Beowulf.
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Someone up above asked about the book. Yes, it is way darker. Roger is much more of a dick. I don't think there are any real 'good guys' in the book aside from the detective. There is NO relation to the book in the movie, except the names of the characters. The book is a great read with a cool ending. Basic opening plot "Roger hires a detective to figure out who killed his duplicate (some toons can make them) in an attempt on his life". Lots of cool ideas in the book, but they went a much more mainstream happy route with the movie.
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Oh for F's sake- can't we just leave well enough alone? WFRR is a classic and should stand alone and should be considered the PINNACLE of the limits that can be achieved with CLASSIC 2-D animation! Don't get me wrong- I like CGI Cartoons to an extent- PIXAR has mastered the delicate balance between "WOW" fx and that solid connection between characters and story- something that some movie studios take for granted in exchange for those 'hip celebrity voices' and 'pop culture gags' (coughSHREKcoughMADAGAScough) of course there ARE exceptions- Kung Fu Panda for one- But I digress- I love Roger Rabbit for what it was- a masterpiece in clever filmaking magically blended with the very best classical animation- Richard Williams and Robert Zemeckis have shown us their genius- and I hope they don't bastardize that with a shallow CGI sequel- If you do it, BOBS, do it right. Respectfully- djb
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failed to see that beowolf was about honour. and left that stuff out of the movie. I lost count of the amount of times Beowoulf I am beowoulf.
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